| *yuhong (n=chatzill@pool-96-253-143-103.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 00:11 | |
| yuhong | So the web site is down. | May 16 00:13 |
|---|---|---|
| schestowitz | Yes, might be back shortly | May 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | The question is, will we move to dedicated or not? | May 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | The host is pressuring us to pay loads for dedicated | May 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | But they advertise certain capacity they don't want to deliver | May 16 00:15 |
| yuhong | BTW, what do you think of my recent comments? | May 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'll move it over to my host in Ireland | May 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: which ones? None today | May 16 00:15 |
| yuhong | The one I posted before the site went down. | May 16 00:16 |
| yuhong | I mean just before. | May 16 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I haven't had the chance to read it | May 16 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I don't think I have | May 16 00:17 |
| schestowitz | But it's there if you posted it | May 16 00:17 |
| yuhong | I pointed out, for example, about how Larry Ellison did dumpster diving | May 16 00:18 |
| yuhong | to reveal Microsoft paid shills like ACT. | May 16 00:18 |
| yuhong | Many of these shills was discussed on BN. | May 16 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Raising of Funds for GNU's Solution to Flash Problems http://www.openmedianow.org/?q=node/39 | May 16 00:21 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 00:21 | |
| schestowitz | yuhong: did they publish what they found? | May 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Or internally only? | May 16 00:21 |
| yuhong | They did. | May 16 00:22 |
| schestowitz | On the Net? | May 16 00:22 |
| yuhong | http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,49039,00.html | May 16 00:23 |
| yuhong | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-96149.html | May 16 00:24 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: What do you think about it? | May 16 00:26 |
| yuhong | On Netscape, I understand how MS ruined it's business model now. | May 16 00:28 |
| yuhong | Basically it was a race to the bottom. | May 16 00:29 |
| yuhong | Basically it worked like this. | May 16 00:29 |
| yuhong | Netscape was making money on the browser. | May 16 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Got it for publication soon | May 16 00:30 |
| yuhong | So MS made IE free, killing that money stream. | May 16 00:30 |
| yuhong | Netscape tried to recover by making money on web server software. | May 16 00:31 |
| yuhong | Except that MS made IIS free, killing that also. | May 16 00:31 |
| yuhong | The sad thing was that it also ended up affecting companies like Opera Software. | May 16 00:32 |
| yuhong | http://www.ethicsandbusiness.org/survey/survey5.html | May 16 00:38 |
| _Hicham_ | because they didn't get along with Microsoft | May 16 00:45 |
| _Hicham_ | the best thing to do is that they had to collaborate to kill Microsoft | May 16 00:45 |
| _Hicham_ | instead of releasing software for them | May 16 00:45 |
| _Hicham_ | they must be an international consortium to end up Microsoft monopoly | May 16 00:46 |
| schestowitz | gn | May 16 00:47 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't agree on releasing Open Source software for Windows | May 16 00:47 |
| _Hicham_ | gn schestowitz | May 16 00:47 |
| yuhong | what is gn? | May 16 00:47 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | May 16 00:47 | |
| _Hicham_ | good night | May 16 00:48 |
| _Hicham_ | yuhong : where are u from? | May 16 00:48 |
| yuhong | What do you mean? | May 16 00:49 |
| yuhong | On the iPhone, I think the way Apple locks up the iPhone platform are well known by now. | May 16 00:51 |
| *yuhong has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") | May 16 00:54 | |
| *mib_d3g4u3 (i=62f0385b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2c6df1db6d6b2c3a) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 00:57 | |
| *mib_d3g4u3 is now known as shreddar | May 16 00:57 | |
| shreddar | What happend to the site? | May 16 00:58 |
| shreddar | I think I'm going to want to have all the removed/recoverd Comes vs. Microsoft exibit PDF's now. | May 16 00:59 |
| *shreddar (i=62f0385b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2c6df1db6d6b2c3a) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 01:02 | |
| *shreddar (i=62f0385b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bfc847613f9cd9af) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 01:02 | |
| shreddar | Soo, what happend to the site? | May 16 01:04 |
| *zer0c00l (n=zer0c00l@210.212.255.131) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 01:04 | |
| _Goblin | Im not sure of what exactly happened but Roy is sorting it out. | May 16 01:04 |
| _Goblin | I didnt catch the message in regards to why it was down | May 16 01:05 |
| *zer0c00l (n=zer0c00l@210.212.255.131) has left #boycottnovell ("Leaving") | May 16 01:12 | |
| *zer0c00l (n=zer0c00l@210.212.255.131) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 01:13 | |
| zer0c00l | Again BN is down | May 16 01:13 |
| zer0c00l | where is schestowitz | May 16 01:13 |
| zer0c00l | slept ? | May 16 01:13 |
| _Goblin | yeah hes gone to bed I think | May 16 01:14 |
| _Goblin | about 1/2 an hour ago | May 16 01:14 |
| zer0c00l | is it DDOS or something? | May 16 01:14 |
| zer0c00l | _Goblin, ok | May 16 01:14 |
| _Goblin | not sure, I didnt see the message about it...hes working on it though | May 16 01:15 |
| zer0c00l | ok | May 16 01:15 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 01:21 | |
| *_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal") | May 16 01:26 | |
| *shreddar has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | May 16 01:27 | |
| *amarsh04__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 01:45 | |
| *amarsh04__ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-166-117.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 01:59 | |
| *amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-187-13.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 02:05 | |
| *amarsh04_ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-11-8.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 02:11 | |
| *amarsh04__ has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) | May 16 02:22 | |
| Balrog_ | "Sorry for the inconvenience, we have to find a bigger server, no ETA yet." | May 16 02:24 |
| Balrog_ | << zer0c00l | May 16 02:24 |
| Balrog_ | looks like it's full :( | May 16 02:24 |
| *twitter (i=willhill@97-113-235-57.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 02:27 | |
| no BN today. how sad. | May 16 02:27 | |
| any good news? | May 16 02:27 | |
| *amarsh04 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 02:28 | |
| Bill Gates dumps 3 million shares at less than $20 http://www.streetinsider.com/Insider+Trades/Does+Bill+Gates+Have+An+Open+Sell+Order+On+His+Microsoft+(MSFT)+Stock%3F+Dumps+20M+Shares+In+10+Trading+Days/4653590.html | May 16 02:38 | |
| buying for more than that makes you a chump. | May 16 02:38 | |
| If M$ is buying stocks, it's people executives raping the company. | May 16 02:39 | |
| They sell out and leave the worker bees with a lot of useless paper and a failed company. | May 16 02:40 | |
| I doubt they will be dumb enough to give Bill $17 billion. | May 16 02:40 | |
| but the company has done dumber things. | May 16 02:41 | |
| In other news, M$ takes on debt. http://ajax.sys-con.com/node/964794 | May 16 02:43 | |
| The article speculates the 3.75 billion dollars are going toward acquisitions and assures it's readers that the company has plenty of cash. | May 16 02:43 | |
| I'm not so sure. Could it be that they are actually out of money and ready to implode? | May 16 02:44 | |
| ushimitsudoki | No. It is not possible that Microsoft is out of money. They have about $25B cash on hand, and the bond offering was extremely well-received. Unless they are straight up cooking the books (ala Enron and unlikely in the extreme), they are still in a good financial position. Maybe not as nice as they would like, but they are nowhere close to being "ready to implode". The "taking on debt" is actually a sign of financial | May 16 02:48 |
| *coolmod (i=62e9a5d7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3438bcf87da99c58) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 02:56 | |
| *magentar has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 02:59 | |
| they have lied in the past and can by lying now. Yes, straight up cook the books. | May 16 03:00 | |
| Vista failed hard. | May 16 03:00 | |
| *coolmod (i=62e9a5d7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3438bcf87da99c58) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 03:00 | |
| Before the recession took out their OEM channel. | May 16 03:00 | |
| It's not like they backed of their $1 billion / month advertising budget. | May 16 03:01 | |
| So it's likely their last $20 billion could have evaporated over the last two years or so. | May 16 03:01 | |
| and they have nothing. | May 16 03:01 | |
| It's not like big dumb companies can afford to pay them anything anymore. Banks, insurance, government, car dealers all have big problems and no one but no one wants Vista. | May 16 03:02 | |
| We shall see. $3.75 billion will buy them a couple of months. | May 16 03:04 | |
| ushimitsudoki | That's largely true, but Vista will soon be out of the picture, replaced by Win7. So, MS has stumbled but Win7 could go either way. The impact of Vista (no doubt a failure) is largely over, and the impact of Win7 will soon be very important | May 16 03:04 |
| Win7 will implode them for sure. | May 16 03:07 | |
| Who's left for the to channel stuff? | May 16 03:07 | |
| ushimitsudoki | If Win7 fails like Vista, then MS will be in deep trouble, I agree. I hope it does, but I don't see the "fail" as obviously for Win7 as I did for Vista. This might just be my own viewpoint - before Vista I was still using Windows at home, and it was because of Vista I moved to Linux - I don't follow Win/MS nearly as closely as I used to. | May 16 03:09 |
| CompUSA? Gone. Circuit City? Gone. Best Buy? Teetering on bankruptcy. Walmart, Target and others have tiny inventories - they are still sore from Vista. Good luck getting them to pony up. | May 16 03:09 | |
| No one follows Win closely anymore. That's why they will fail. | May 16 03:09 | |
| :) good bye to bad software. | May 16 03:10 | |
| The world is looking for something better than iPhone. Like iTouch with Skype or plain old SIP service. | May 16 03:11 | |
| Windows 7 is not what people want because people are not interested in desktops. They want persistent internet in their pocket. Winblows can't deliver that at all. | May 16 03:12 | |
| Google is going to clean their clock with Android and desktops that are left will drift to GNU/Linux. | May 16 03:12 | |
| ushimitsudoki | I hope so, but MS will not go gently. | May 16 03:13 |
| they have not gone gently. they have screamed and yelled and bankrupted most of their partners | May 16 03:13 | |
| they have back stabbed and harassed themselves right off a cliff. | May 16 03:15 | |
| the only people who bother to watch are those who want to kick them off faster. | May 16 03:15 | |
| *amarsh04__ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-180-54.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 03:16 | |
| Their channel people are pretty demoralized because Winblows has not gotten better. | May 16 03:16 | |
| Bill Gates promised the end of spam, what, five years ago? Ha! all the usual malware is out there and worse than ever. | May 16 03:17 | |
| there's nothing M$ repair shops can do but wipe and reload again and again. | May 16 03:17 | |
| This has gone on for almost a decade and people are sick of it. | May 16 03:17 | |
| They might put up with it for a new feature or two but Vista provided absolutely nothing of value and was buggier than normal on top of it all. | May 16 03:18 | |
| Windows 7 is just rebranded Vista. They could have ripped off OSX or GNU/Linux window management and people would have been happy. Instead they pretended to be original and provided stuff that sucked out loud. | May 16 03:19 | |
| "Oh, look, you can write notes on the back of your browser!" As if you are going to remember the site and that you have a note there. | May 16 03:20 | |
| Or did they not even deliver that useless feature? | May 16 03:21 | |
| Nearly 30 years after project Athena gave everyone virtual desktops, Windows has yet to implement the concept with any grace. | May 16 03:22 | |
| I tried to do some basic web research at work today. The machine had XP and it sucked life completely. There was no post script viewer. There were no tabs in the browser and each new site was a new window. Clutter city. Pdfs had to be read in Adobe Reader which did not even have a search bar for text ... it was a fucking menu item. | May 16 03:25 | |
| All of that crammed onto a single desktop. | May 16 03:25 | |
| it was impossible to put away, much less organize. it was like trying to write a term paper on top of a shoe box in a bath tub full of water. | May 16 03:26 | |
| Oh yeah, I was not trying to write anything. | May 16 03:26 | |
| I never got so far as to try to write notes. Only someone at M$ would think the back of a browser is a good place to write notes. So much handier than a notebook they must have though. | May 16 03:28 | |
| absolutely, completely inadequate. | May 16 03:28 | |
| wortheless | May 16 03:29 | |
| *Guest96136 (n=Anon112@92.0.159.130) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 03:29 | |
| *Guest96136 (n=Anon112@92.0.159.130) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 03:29 | |
| *amarsh04_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 03:31 | |
| Vista 7 hype log updated http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/216759 | May 16 03:37 | |
| *libervisco has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | May 16 03:39 | |
| *libervisco (n=libervis@tuxhacker/libervisco) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 03:39 | |
| *amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-251-141.lns12.adl6.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 03:40 | |
| M$ Death Watch updated. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707 | May 16 03:42 | |
| *amarsh04__ has quit (Connection timed out) | May 16 03:56 | |
| mvkfopw | wtf is wrong with this safari? since i installed it it always reads all my drives and nothing to switch it off with | May 16 04:16 |
| Just use GNU/Linux. | May 16 04:18 | |
| Konqueror is better than Safari. | May 16 04:19 | |
| zer0c00l | twitter, i had problem with konqueror | May 16 04:25 |
| zer0c00l | :( | May 16 04:25 |
| zer0c00l | cant make https work with proxies | May 16 04:25 |
| zer0c00l | in konqueror | May 16 04:25 |
| use TOR | May 16 04:26 | |
| zer0c00l | privoxy? | May 16 04:26 |
| zer0c00l | TOR blocked here | May 16 04:26 |
| zer0c00l | :( | May 16 04:26 |
| zer0c00l | they block connect method access to numerical ips's | May 16 04:26 |
| I did not know you could block tor | May 16 04:27 | |
| zer0c00l | in squid | May 16 04:27 |
| zer0c00l | yeah , 1 squid rule will block tor | May 16 04:27 |
| zer0c00l | let me post it here | May 16 04:27 |
| zer0c00l | acl numeric_IPs url_regex ^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+ | May 16 04:28 |
| zer0c00l | http_access deny CONNECT numeric_IPs all | May 16 04:28 |
| zer0c00l | it will block TOR, ultrasurf and skype | May 16 04:29 |
| *DaemonFC (n=DaemonFC@c-67-173-86-85.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 04:29 | |
| zer0c00l | so, no one can directly connect to a numerical IP | May 16 04:29 |
| zer0c00l | twitter, check it in your setup and tell me whether it works or not | May 16 04:30 |
| check what? | May 16 04:31 | |
| zer0c00l | lol that squid rule | May 16 04:32 |
| zer0c00l | :P | May 16 04:32 |
| don't have squid running | May 16 04:32 | |
| zer0c00l | ok | May 16 04:32 |
| or do I ... | May 16 04:32 | |
| zer0c00l | but that squid rule really blocks TOR :( | May 16 04:33 |
| zer0c00l | i confirmed it with TOR devels | May 16 04:33 |
| zer0c00l | they asked me to use some kind of bridge | May 16 04:33 |
| you can't just run TOR? you can only see the internet through that squid ? | May 16 04:34 | |
| I'm afraid you have no privacy in such a network anyway. | May 16 04:35 | |
| mvkfopw | privacy is not that 100% in tor either | May 16 04:35 |
| especially if you have to go through some little black box from your cable or dsl company in the first place. | May 16 04:36 | |
| mvkfopw | and everybody goes through it for sure | May 16 04:36 |
| I'm afraid you will only get privacy with equipment bought with cash used at public access sites. | May 16 04:37 | |
| mvkfopw | there's no privacy in the internet | May 16 04:37 |
| even then you will have to forge the device address and rotate devices routinely. | May 16 04:38 | |
| there is privacy in a crowd, unless your profile has already been built | May 16 04:38 | |
| then you can be found anywhere. | May 16 04:38 | |
| and your profile has already been built if you are visiting BN. | May 16 04:39 | |
| mvkfopw | yup | May 16 04:39 |
| mvkfopw | if you visit freenode | May 16 04:39 |
| the electronic police state sucks like that. | May 16 04:39 | |
| DaemonFC | interesting | May 16 04:39 |
| better laws need to be made soon | May 16 04:39 | |
| DaemonFC | Windows Update in Windows 7 7123 still tries to pull in Vista drivers for Logitech cams | May 16 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | which doesn't work | May 16 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | even though Logitech sent them a driver with initial support last week | May 16 04:40 |
| mvkfopw | for which device is that driver? | May 16 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | Quickcam Comunicate Deluxe s7500 | May 16 04:42 |
| I've seen that before. | May 16 04:43 | |
| In XP. | May 16 04:43 | |
| device maker gives a reasonable driver but M$ distributes an old broken one instead. | May 16 04:44 | |
| and people wonder what kind of power M$ has over device makers, huh. | May 16 04:44 | |
| this is one of the biggest reasons to not use Windows, your devices will be broken sooner or later. | May 16 04:45 | |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/05/april-2009-browser-stats-firefox-and-chrome-gain.ars | May 16 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's official | May 16 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | Internet Explorer is now Pac-Man | May 16 04:46 |
| mvkfopw | wtf | May 16 04:48 |
| Net Applications, worthless | May 16 04:49 | |
| Ars Techinia stats, interesting. | May 16 04:49 | |
| DaemonFC | Opera hasn't budged since 1999 :P | May 16 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | they even released it as freeware and it didn't help | May 16 04:50 |
| I wonder what their OS share looks like, but my guess is that roughly 20% are Mac (because of Safari use) and about 40% are GNU/Linux | May 16 04:51 | |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/05/crackhocom-dns-prank-ruffles-sarah-palins-feathers.ars | May 16 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 16 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | Safari is pushed out to a lot of Windows users too | May 16 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | they trojan it in when you update Quicktime or iTunes | May 16 04:51 |
| mvkfopw | safari and chrome are effing hdds for unknown reason | May 16 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it | May 16 04:54 |
| mvkfopw | the best innocent guess is that they do it for speculative browsing XD | May 16 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/buggy-breathalyzer-code-reflects-importance-of-source-review.ars | May 16 04:55 |
| mvkfopw | but even in this case they violate your privacy | May 16 04:56 |
| *oiaohm (n=oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 04:56 | |
| So what percentage of the combined Safari and Firefox crowd do you think is Windoze? | May 16 04:57 | |
| DaemonFC | well, most Firefox users are obviously on Windows | May 16 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | and most Safari users are obviously on Macs | May 16 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | but 2-3% of the Safari use is probably Windows machines | May 16 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Largest block of Firefox users are Windows. | May 16 04:58 |
| zer0c00l | Election results here in india today :) | May 16 04:59 |
| Why do you think most FF users are on Windows? | May 16 04:59 | |
| zer0c00l | counting has started | May 16 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, by sheer virtue of being 9 out of every 10 operating systems installed | May 16 04:59 |
| what makes you think that? | May 16 04:59 | |
| 9/10 is a decade ago. | May 16 04:59 | |
| mvkfopw | twitter, it's by numbers | May 16 05:00 |
| mvkfopw | not percentage | May 16 05:00 |
| I don't see OS numbers. | May 16 05:00 | |
| mvkfopw | like there are more ff windows users than ff linux | May 16 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Numbers suggest that Firefox will be the most dominate browser out there. | May 16 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Out of those numbers also suggest most firefox users are still windows. | May 16 05:01 |
| mvkfopw | but percentage of ff in linux is > | May 16 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Problem is you cannot really give a exact percent. | May 16 05:01 |
| mvkfopw | of course not | May 16 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, Linux users represent about 1% | May 16 05:02 |
| bullshit | May 16 05:02 | |
| DaemonFC | so Firefox users on Linux couldn't be more than 1% of them | May 16 05:02 |
| oiaohm | That is highly changable. | May 16 05:02 |
| mvkfopw | seems like i'm uninstalling this safari right away, same answers about hdd activity, no any official answer | May 16 05:02 |
| oiaohm | Highest percent record of Linux is about 15 percent. | May 16 05:03 |
| mvkfopw | only guesse | May 16 05:03 |
| mvkfopw | s | May 16 05:03 |
| oiaohm | Lowest is 0.5 | May 16 05:03 |
| oiaohm | So it somewhere in there. | May 16 05:03 |
| mvkfopw | 0.5 doesn't make sense | May 16 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | yes, it's so low that rounding error is probably more than Linux users | May 16 05:03 |
| Microsoft itself has better than .5 % GNU/Linux desktop use. | May 16 05:03 | |
| 1% is a huge lie | May 16 05:03 | |
| oiaohm | Firefox usage is somewhere between 40 to 60 percent. | May 16 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's not just one company that puts those out saying FF is 20-25% | May 16 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | but a lot of Firefox users block ads | May 16 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | so they're probably under-represented | May 16 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | in a survey based on ad hits | May 16 05:05 |
| oiaohm | I cut out ad hit surveying. | May 16 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't mean there's foul play or MS is buying anyone | May 16 05:05 |
| oiaohm | adblock make that highly bias. | May 16 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | May 16 05:05 |
| Safari has next to no use on Windows in 2008 http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/05/safari-for-windows-triples-infinitesimal-market-share.ars | May 16 05:05 | |
| DaemonFC | more Firefox, Safari, Chrome, and Opera users will block ads | May 16 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | because of the kind of user that uses MSIE | May 16 05:05 |
| So that 20% is almost all Mac share. | May 16 05:05 | |
| DaemonFC | and the difficulty of getting a good ad blocker for it | May 16 05:06 |
| If ars does not confuse Konq for Safari. | May 16 05:06 | |
| oiaohm | Site visitors are what my numbers were based on. | May 16 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | Safari has two extra identifiers | May 16 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | one for Safari version | May 16 05:06 |
| oiaohm | To many different sites. | May 16 05:06 |
| Konq is obviously GNU/Linux. I wonder if that's why the M$ trolls like to promote FF on GNU/Linux. | May 16 05:06 | |
| DaemonFC | one for AppleWebKit version | May 16 05:06 |
| it skews site stats | May 16 05:06 | |
| hides GNU/Linux. | May 16 05:07 | |
| DaemonFC | no, Konqueror is just kind of ewww | May 16 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Konq also has browser masking. | May 16 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | it has trouble loading a lot of sites | May 16 05:07 |
| oiaohm | So it can end up counted as IE on some sites. | May 16 05:07 |
| oiaohm | That is the other issue. The detect method used for browsers is a bit iffy. | May 16 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, web markup languages are complicated to the point where it's entirely possible to fuck up the page without any Microsoft backing | May 16 05:08 |
| oiaohm | Particually if you saw mine as the moment. It returns firefox running on a c64. | May 16 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | but IE and most other browsers can correct the page | May 16 05:08 |
| Cell phones are proving that OS market diversity leads to better network security http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/04/cellphone-os-diversity-protecting-against-viruses.ars | May 16 05:09 | |
| even though cell phones often use crappy non free OS, there are enough of them to prevent Windows type problems. | May 16 05:09 | |
| *amarsh04_ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-6-57.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 05:09 | |
| oiaohm | Also cell phones most of them have sane defaults. | May 16 05:09 |
| oiaohm | In there secuirty. | May 16 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Never forget the importance of how well OS secuirty is setup to the outcomes of virus resistance. | May 16 05:10 |
| Ars takes apart Net Application numbers as dominated by a few sites like New York Times, Forbes, Wall Street Journal and InformationWeek - all arguably Windows only sites. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/mac-market-share.ars | May 16 05:13 | |
| " browser numbers being tracked are those from users who specifically visit those member sites, which include the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, and InformationWeek. If specific demographics of users—like, say, Linux users—don't tend to read those types of sites, they are going to be underrepresented, and similarly, other demographics may be overrepresented." | May 16 05:13 | |
| Duh, those sites are basically clueless and unfriendly. | May 16 05:14 | |
| DaemonFC | Ars Techina also "leaked" Windows 7 pricing from an "unnamed source" | May 16 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | then apologized and retracted the article | May 16 05:15 |
| Well, in this case, they have hit the nail on the head. | May 16 05:15 | |
| DaemonFC | hint: It was a lot more expensive than Vista | May 16 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | so I hope they were wrong | May 16 05:16 |
| I hope they are right | May 16 05:16 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't | May 16 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | it won't cause people to leave MS | May 16 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | it will cause them to pay more | May 16 05:16 |
| you are kidding, right? | May 16 05:16 | |
| DaemonFC | which they already will in any event since there's no 7 Home Basic in the US and Canada | May 16 05:17 |
| how many people do you know that paid $400 for Vista? | May 16 05:17 | |
| DaemonFC | so there's at least another $70 for an upgrade disc alone | May 16 05:17 |
| I know zero people like that. | May 16 05:17 | |
| DaemonFC | heh, $300 maybe | May 16 05:17 |
| They totally destroyed their retailers with their pricing. | May 16 05:17 | |
| You know someone who paid $300 for Vista? | May 16 05:17 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, except for online retailers with the cheap-o OEM version | May 16 05:18 |
| mvkfopw | you know anyone who bought vista not buying laptop? | May 16 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | with no support and only one activated computer, ever | May 16 05:18 |
| I know someone who was suckered out of $400 for Office but that was only because they got such a good deal on a Vista Failure Laptop. | May 16 05:18 | |
| DaemonFC | I have two copies of Vista | May 16 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | but I didn't buy either of them | May 16 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | yet they are licensed to me | May 16 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | strange that | May 16 05:19 |
| I had a copy of Vista. It took 5 minutes to boot before I bought the machine. The first thing I did when I got home was wipe. | May 16 05:20 | |
| The machine was purchased at the CompUSA going out of business sale. | May 16 05:20 | |
| Vista Failure. | May 16 05:20 | |
| *amarsh04__ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-5-77.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 05:21 | |
| Windows 7 won't be a repeat of that because no one expects it to sell and they won't let themselves be channel stuffed. | May 16 05:21 | |
| In the mean time GNU/Linux advances. | May 16 05:21 | |
| mvkfopw | channel stuffed? | May 16 05:21 |
| mvkfopw | aren't all of them already channel stuffed? | May 16 05:21 |
| I'm not sure how many retail survivors are still stuffed with Vista. | May 16 05:22 | |
| There were a lot of fire sales with $300 laptops. | May 16 05:22 | |
| DaemonFC | it takes about 30 -35 seconds to boot | May 16 05:22 |
| *amarsh04 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 05:22 | |
| Your copy might take that long. The one I got from CompUSA took 5 minutes. | May 16 05:23 | |
| Really. I was stunned. "Wow" came to mind. | May 16 05:23 | |
| The Wow starts when? | May 16 05:23 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, because they packed it with trialware | May 16 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | cause you probably got a shitty underpowered OEM system packed with trialware | May 16 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 16 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | they do that you know | May 16 05:24 |
| Dude, the system flies under Lenny. | May 16 05:25 | |
| lots of other people had the same experience with Vista out of the box, if they could even install it. | May 16 05:25 | |
| I attribute your good results to a lot of hard work and luck on your part. | May 16 05:26 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Debian works fine on some unbelievably low end systems | May 16 05:26 |
| everything should work like that. | May 16 05:26 | |
| :) | May 16 05:26 | |
| DaemonFC | meh, my first concern is always "Where's the drivers, where's the codecs, how do I make this work?" | May 16 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | every distribution has some unofficial repository for all that | May 16 05:27 |
| Omar87 | Hello everyone? | May 16 05:27 |
| *amarsh04_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 05:36 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter: I do like WinFLP much more on low end hardware than Vista or even XP | May 16 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | but it's pretty hard to get that, legally | May 16 05:37 |
| Windows is hard work all around. Drivers, codecs, restrictions and all that. Way too much work for little return. Why do you bother? | May 16 05:38 | |
| DaemonFC | I dunno, mainly for gaming and such, and I always figure a way to get it for free | May 16 05:39 |
| *DaemonFC has quit ("Leaving") | May 16 05:54 | |
| tessier | Is Microsoft out of business yet? | May 16 05:55 |
| *amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-209-184.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 05:57 | |
| I don't know. They had to borrow money. | May 16 05:58 | |
| tessier | They did not have to borrow money. | May 16 05:59 |
| The claim to have $25 billion in the bank and don't really need the $3.75 billion they borrowed. | May 16 05:59 | |
| tessier | But the money is available so cheaply it makes sense to do so. | May 16 05:59 |
| but they also claim that Vista is the most secure OS you can buy. | May 16 05:59 | |
| It never makes sense to borrow money you don't need. | May 16 05:59 | |
| tessier | My dad has taken equity out of his house on which he only has to pay a very small amount of interest and invested it in other places with higher returns. | May 16 05:59 |
| tessier | Same deal here. | May 16 05:59 |
| tessier | Yes it does. | May 16 05:59 |
| M$ is not supposed to be in the business of speculative investments. | May 16 06:00 | |
| tessier | Sure they rae | May 16 06:00 |
| tessier | are | May 16 06:01 |
| tessier | The invest in tons of things | May 16 06:01 |
| They are supposed to use their supposed $25 billion wisely. | May 16 06:01 | |
| not borrow more to waste. | May 16 06:01 | |
| If by "invest" you mean bribe, I agree. | May 16 06:01 | |
| tessier | They have an AAA rating. The people loaning the money are pretty sure it isn't being wasted. | May 16 06:01 |
| AIG had a AAA rating too. | May 16 06:01 | |
| WAMU | May 16 06:02 | |
| ENRON | May 16 06:02 | |
| mvkfopw | what's aaa rating? | May 16 06:02 |
| do you think M$ will be here in 20 years? | May 16 06:02 | |
| tessier | Probably. IBM is still around. | May 16 06:02 |
| IBM provides a useful service. | May 16 06:02 | |
| M$ does not. | May 16 06:03 | |
| I don't think M$ will be here in five years. | May 16 06:03 | |
| and I think there's a good chance they will sink in 2010. | May 16 06:03 | |
| mvkfopw | not that fast | May 16 06:04 |
| why not? | May 16 06:04 | |
| tessier | twitter: I really hope you are right. But I doubt that you are. | May 16 06:04 |
| Think the Windows 7 bluff will buy them time? | May 16 06:04 | |
| mvkfopw | because they invest in plenty of things besides themselves or bribes | May 16 06:04 |
| tessier | Although I do think they are on a downward spiral. But it is a very gentle spiral. | May 16 06:04 |
| mvkfopw | and yup, vista7 is buying them time | May 16 06:05 |
| Most of their money comes from Windows and Office. Office 2007 is a wreck and Vista killed Windows. | May 16 06:05 | |
| *yuhong (n=chatzill@pool-96-253-143-103.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 06:05 | |
| mvkfopw | it's not only about users who can safely live with xp | May 16 06:05 |
| Users and Vendors have already figured out that Windows 7 won't be any better than Vista. It's game over. | May 16 06:06 | |
| yuhong | Anyway, not long ago I started a talk about MS's laptop gifting. | May 16 06:06 |
| yuhong | twitter: I would not go that far. | May 16 06:06 |
| They produced a dog after 6 years of development. It's still a dog after 2 years of sales. They fire people so it will never get better. It's over. | May 16 06:07 | |
| yuhong | Anyway, not long ago I started a talk about MS's laptop gifting. | May 16 06:07 |
| mvkfopw | for m$ to live several m$-addicted countries are quite enough | May 16 06:07 |
| mvkfopw | like usa and part of europe | May 16 06:07 |
| yuhong | It will never get better? That is questionable, IMO. | May 16 06:07 |
| All the benchmarks for Windows 7 are coming back like Vista. How will it get any better as they fire people who could be fixing it? | May 16 06:08 | |
| mvkfopw | and it's enough to bribe government so they make sure that noone uses windows for free | May 16 06:08 |
| mvkfopw | so m$ is hard-sinking titanic | May 16 06:08 |
| yuhong | What benchmarks? | May 16 06:08 |
| All of M$'s best customers are going broke. Who's going to pay the windows tax when no one is buying computers? | May 16 06:08 | |
| mvkfopw | of course they will have to lower their ambitions | May 16 06:09 |
| They have no intentions of lowering their insane plans to rule the world through DRM and anti-competitive practices. | May 16 06:09 | |
| mvkfopw | like 400$ for yet another m$ shitos is too much | May 16 06:09 |
| yuhong | http://www.tuxradar.com/node/33 | May 16 06:10 |
| I would not use it if it was given to me. It simply sucks. | May 16 06:10 | |
| yuhong | I don't think Vista or 7 sucks that much, in fact I am perfectly fine with my Vista laptop. | May 16 06:11 |
| yuhong | It is sometimes slow, but only if I run lots of applications. | May 16 06:11 |
| mvkfopw | i didn't even buy laptop because there's vista preinstalled | May 16 06:11 |
| yuhong | In contrast, I am perfectly fine with my Vista laptop. | May 16 06:11 |
| yuhong | I am running Linux on another PC, however. | May 16 06:12 |
| yuhong | It is a lot older than the laptop though. | May 16 06:12 |
| yuhong | In fact, that Vista laptop is what I am typing this on. | May 16 06:12 |
| yuhong | It is sometimes slow, but only if I run lots of applications. | May 16 06:12 |
| yuhong | I have 1.5 GB of RAM, BTW. | May 16 06:13 |
| yeah, yeah, hong, you love M$ | May 16 06:13 | |
| yuhong | Well, I do hate MS's business tactics. | May 16 06:13 |
| *amarsh04__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 06:13 | |
| mvkfopw | and the only way you can vote for it is not buying it | May 16 06:13 |
| yuhong | And I do hate the MS-Novell deal. | May 16 06:13 |
| mvkfopw | or in novell case - not playing with children of ms-novell marriage | May 16 06:14 |
| yuhong | Indeed, I don't pay much attension to, let alone use, OpenSUSE, Linspire, Xandros, or Mono. | May 16 06:15 |
| yuhong | I really want to move on to MS's laptop gifting. | May 16 06:16 |
| mvkfopw | and install linux there XD | May 16 06:16 |
| yuhong | I just powered on my Linux box. | May 16 06:17 |
| yuhong | I don't hate Linux, I think it is a good OS in fact. | May 16 06:18 |
| yuhong | Same for Mac OS X. | May 16 06:18 |
| who do you want to give a laptop too? | May 16 06:18 | |
| mvkfopw | how can an os with drm enforced be good? | May 16 06:18 |
| Is that what M$ wanted to go into debt over? | May 16 06:19 | |
| yuhong | No, I don't think so. | May 16 06:19 |
| yuhong | I don't have any DRM content. | May 16 06:19 |
| yuhong | But yes even without them there are parts of Vista related to DRM still active. | May 16 06:19 |
| the OS is the source of restrictions, not movies and music | May 16 06:19 | |
| mvkfopw | apple inside is even more evil.. t's good it doesn't spread | May 16 06:20 |
| yuhong | Protected Processes, for example. | May 16 06:20 |
| did M$ gift you a GNU/Linux laptop. | May 16 06:20 | |
| yuhong | No. | May 16 06:20 |
| too bad. | May 16 06:20 | |
| yuhong | I doubt MS would gift a Linux laptop to anybody. | May 16 06:20 |
| did they gift you Windows 7? | May 16 06:20 | |
| mvkfopw | imagine laptop coming with the restriction: "can be legally used only with windows" | May 16 06:20 |
| yuhong | No, in fact it is free right now so there is no point. | May 16 06:21 |
| Actually, M$ does make such restrictions on hardware given to libraries and schools. | May 16 06:21 | |
| mvkfopw | lol | May 16 06:21 |
| mvkfopw | wtf | May 16 06:21 |
| They also extend it to all other hardware owned. | May 16 06:21 | |
| yuhong | But I doubt any PC maker would make a PC that has a legal OS restriction. | May 16 06:21 |
| They say, "if you take our help, you can only use our software" and some people take it. | May 16 06:22 | |
| mvkfopw | so they will make that one, yuhong | May 16 06:22 |
| M$ gives nothing away. Everything comes with strings. | May 16 06:22 | |
| Nothing is owned by the customer. | May 16 06:22 | |
| mvkfopw | customer doesn't own himself XD | May 16 06:23 |
| yuhong | Anyway, the key thing about my previous chat was that the key thing was the condition of the gifts. | May 16 06:23 |
| you misspelled bribe! | May 16 06:23 | |
| yuhong | If the condition of the gift was that the review be positive, that is bribery. | May 16 06:23 |
| :-D | May 16 06:23 | |
| Bribery is when you give something to influence the receiver. | May 16 06:24 | |
| yuhong | Yep. | May 16 06:24 |
| The conditions do not have to be explicit. | May 16 06:24 | |
| Like volunteering bogus cancer research to corrupt a conference panel. | May 16 06:24 | |
| yuhong | No. | May 16 06:24 |
| You have M$ ethics. | May 16 06:25 | |
| mvkfopw | yuhong, do you sign anything when you receive lappy? | May 16 06:25 |
| Bribery is about improper influence. | May 16 06:25 | |
| yuhong | No, and I never received one from MS. | May 16 06:25 |
| yuhong | But I think the key condition is if the gift requires a positive review. | May 16 06:26 |
| mvkfopw | so you can as well tell them f off and do whatever with it | May 16 06:26 |
| yuhong | If the answer is yes, then it is bribery. | May 16 06:26 |
| Restaurant reviewers, for example, are supposed to be anonymous so they are treated like any other customer. Anything else brings a false review. | May 16 06:26 | |
| When you find an incestuous relationship between reviewer and their subject, it is right to reject the review as unduly influenced. | May 16 06:27 | |
| yuhong | I do have a Windows 7 beta VM on my Vista laptop. | May 16 06:27 |
| yuhong | Yep. | May 16 06:27 |
| why? | May 16 06:28 | |
| yuhong | Because that makes the review suspicious. | May 16 06:28 |
| oh, yes. that's the point. | May 16 06:28 | |
| yuhong | I never received a gift from MS. | May 16 06:28 |
| mvkfopw | but you want it | May 16 06:28 |
| a reviewer that's been given an expensive gift is suspect. | May 16 06:28 | |
| yuhong | I don't, But the really key thing is if the gift requires a positive review. | May 16 06:29 |
| Well, you have your criteria for trust. I have mine, but I think you just agreed that mine was right. | May 16 06:29 | |
| *amarsh04 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 06:29 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: Microsoft's rating came from firms like Moody's, who were accused of corruption. Some of them /sell/ ratings. | May 16 06:30 |
| Good Morning, Roy. | May 16 06:30 | |
| yuhong | Or if they can write a negative review and still keep the gift. | May 16 06:30 |
| yuhong | If not, the review is definitely suspect. | May 16 06:30 |
| yuhong | I don't want any gifts from MS. | May 16 06:31 |
| how about a regular pay check from M$, yuhong? | May 16 06:32 | |
| schestowitz | Let's try to get the site online ASAP. If it's down for too long, we can get delisted from Google. | May 16 06:32 |
| what can be done, Roy? | May 16 06:33 | |
| yuhong | No, I don't want that either, and I think a job at google would be better. | May 16 06:33 |
| Everyone I know is sleeping right now. | May 16 06:33 | |
| schestowitz | I can pay extra for dedicated if necessary, but we might need to raise funds | May 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what to do | May 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | The host is being greedy | May 16 06:34 |
| How much do they want? | May 16 06:35 | |
| yuhong | BTW, Windows 7 RC right now is free for download, so anyone can try 7 for themselves. | May 16 06:35 |
| schestowitz | twitter: I don't know how much they charge | May 16 06:36 |
| schestowitz | But I might move it over to my host here, which would cost more | May 16 06:36 |
| advertising does not pay for it all? | May 16 06:36 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, yuhong seems a bit of a shill | May 16 06:37 |
| schestowitz | From Seattle | May 16 06:37 |
| my neighbor, the shill | May 16 06:37 | |
| yuhong | Well, did you look at my recent comments? | May 16 06:37 |
| yuhong | http://scobleizer.com/2008/08/24/win7team/ | May 16 06:37 |
| they are like most of your comments, yuhong. It's how I know you are you not someone using your nick. | May 16 06:38 | |
| yuhong | Ex, when I talked about Larry Ellison's dumpster diving to expose MS's front groups. | May 16 06:39 |
| LOL. Flat teams. | May 16 06:40 | |
| yuhong | I know, but what I really want to focus on is the PR part. | May 16 06:40 |
| yuhong | From Shoreline actually. | May 16 06:41 |
| yuhong | BTW, I am right now a student. | May 16 06:41 |
| As the icy waters of the Atlantic flood the bulkheads, all the passengers left without lifeboats have collected on one floor of the Titanic. | May 16 06:41 | |
| M$ advises their liars to say they are students. | May 16 06:41 | |
| yuhong | I did not know this, thanks. | May 16 06:42 |
| Where structure and order were once important, chaos now reigns. | May 16 06:42 | |
| yuhong | Same at Google, I think. | May 16 06:42 |
| yuhong | But that is IMO off-topic. | May 16 06:42 |
| The passengers, shrieking from the cold water's sting run much faster than they used to. | May 16 06:43 | |
| " the management lately and are less likely to play political games." Blog posts now result in an immediate toss overboard, no questions asked. | May 16 06:44 | |
| yuhong | What do you mean by this. | May 16 06:44 |
| I'm making a joke that I'm sure has a strong resemblance to reality at M$. | May 16 06:45 | |
| They have fired people for posting pictures of Macs on campus. | May 16 06:45 | |
| As they fire 5,000 employees, I'm sure just having an iPod will get you chucked. | May 16 06:46 | |
| tessier | schestowitz: I can host for you | May 16 06:46 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I can give you an account on my server right now if you need. | May 16 06:47 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks! | May 16 06:47 |
| schestowitz | I will need to see what Shane says | May 16 06:47 |
| is there any distributed hosting software out there, besides botnet stuff? | May 16 06:48 | |
| schestowitz | I just try to get it back up ASAP | May 16 06:48 |
| schestowitz | But Shane pays the bills with the AdSense money | May 16 06:49 |
| something that gets around ISP hosts and is run by a community? | May 16 06:49 | |
| yuhong | Hopefully after the server is back on, the article schestowitz promised about Oracle's dumpster diving will be posted. | May 16 06:49 |
| There should be plenty of money. | May 16 06:49 | |
| schestowitz | So he's hesitant to cave in to the host's pressure and pay more a lot more than we get from ads. | May 16 06:49 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes, thanks | May 16 06:49 |
| yuhong | What do you think about that one? | May 16 06:49 |
| schestowitz | twitter: not sure about the plenty of money part | May 16 06:49 |
| I think M$ hates Oracle. | May 16 06:49 | |
| yuhong | Yes, it does. | May 16 06:50 |
| Would love to smear everyone else in computing. | May 16 06:50 | |
| yuhong | Yep, also. | May 16 06:50 |
| schestowitz | yuhong/twitter: let's not worry about new posts yet. Some of my posts on Microsoft will refer to news from last week | May 16 06:51 |
| So people like you can feed nice stories. That's OK, as long as the facts back up what you say, but I have deep suspicions about people who push Windows. | May 16 06:51 | |
| schestowitz | But I really don't want to be delisted from SEs | May 16 06:51 |
| schestowitz | The whole thing boils down to greedy host and money | May 16 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Not DDOS apparently | May 16 06:51 |
| *Omar87 (n=omar@86.108.23.178) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 06:51 | |
| schestowitz | Just a lot of traffic on Thursday | May 16 06:51 |
| I'm surprised the site has not been DDOS'd. | May 16 06:52 | |
| schestowitz | 44k pages in 21 hours, excluding SEs (awstats definition) | May 16 06:52 |
| schestowitz | twitter: my personal site was | May 16 06:52 |
| yuhong | And as Windows 7 RC is free for download, anyone can check the facts about it. | May 16 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Spammers though, not malicious targettted attack | May 16 06:52 |
| The other part of the problem, Roy, is that Shane does everything for you. You need details to do these things yourself. | May 16 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | I am very uncomfortable with the site being down. Never happened to me with /ANY/ site for such a duration. | May 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | And this time it's voluntary (for the host) because they want more money | May 16 06:53 |
| It's probably time lay aside writing and find out about hosting. | May 16 06:53 | |
| *tomsdale has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | May 16 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: I know, I know | May 16 06:54 |
| schestowitz | Shane wants the burden off | May 16 06:54 |
| Is there someone at the FSF or some other trusted organization that can help you? | May 16 06:54 | |
| schestowitz | He wants me to put it on my host | May 16 06:54 |
| schestowitz | twitter: maybe | May 16 06:54 |
| You know, spend a day or two telling you what you need to know? | May 16 06:54 | |
| schestowitz | I have one person who would host it for free. But let's get the site up in the interim, even if we need to pay more for hosting (I'd cover the cost). | May 16 06:56 |
| yuhong | On Apple and Mac OS X, I don't think it is a bad OS, but I don't think it is any better than Windows in terms of freedom. | May 16 06:56 |
| schestowitz | FSF or ibiblio I haven't asked yet.... | May 16 06:57 |
| yuhong | Twitter: Why do you have deep suspicions about people who push Windows? | May 16 06:58 |
| mvkfopw | people that push anything are suspicious | May 16 06:59 |
| yuhong | Yes, but why people who push Windows are treated as more suspicious than those who push Linux? | May 16 06:59 |
| yuhong | Or at least it seems to me. | May 16 06:59 |
| mvkfopw | because those who push linux are for freedom | May 16 06:59 |
| mvkfopw | and those who push windows try to enslave ya XD | May 16 07:00 |
| mvkfopw | just as easy as that | May 16 07:00 |
| mvkfopw | depends on what you choose | May 16 07:00 |
| yuhong | I know. | May 16 07:00 |
| yuhong | I never critized Linux, I think it is a great OS and run it on one older PC. | May 16 07:01 |
| yuhong | I was going to say I am neutral, but I am going to let you decide. | May 16 07:01 |
| mvkfopw | people are neutral only when they are dead or nonexistent | May 16 07:02 |
| mvkfopw | in all the other cases they are shifted towards something | May 16 07:02 |
| mvkfopw | or biased is better word | May 16 07:02 |
| yuhong | I mean in the OS advocacy wars, no one is completely neutral. | May 16 07:02 |
| mvkfopw | of course | May 16 07:03 |
| mvkfopw | and they don't have to be | May 16 07:03 |
| yuhong | Agreed. | May 16 07:03 |
| yuhong | Mac OS X isn't bad either, but Linux provides more freedom. | May 16 07:05 |
| OK Roy, I've sent out a distress signal for you. | May 16 07:06 | |
| mvkfopw | with maco$x you have even less freedom that with windows | May 16 07:06 |
| mvkfopw | both users and developers | May 16 07:06 |
| you will receive a copy | May 16 07:06 | |
| yuhong | Well, I know about Apple's hardware lock-in. | May 16 07:07 |
| yuhong | It dates from long back, BTW. | May 16 07:07 |
| yuhong | I also know about iPhone's restrictions. | May 16 07:08 |
| yuhong | In fact I think both are well-known. | May 16 07:08 |
| yuhong | I don't think anyone else used "maco$x" to describe Mac OS X, though. | May 16 07:09 |
| yuhong | I am not going to receive a copy of Mac OS X either. | May 16 07:09 |
| yuhong | What do you mean by distress? | May 16 07:09 |
| schestowitz | twitter: thanks for the mail | May 16 07:10 |
| yuhong | What mail? | May 16 07:10 |
| yuhong | Sorry, I misinterpreted "you will receive a copy", sorry. | May 16 07:11 |
| yuhong | I mean in the OS advocacy wars. No one is completely neutral against everything, I mean. | May 16 07:12 |
| *yuhong has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") | May 16 07:12 | |
| mvkfopw | yuhong, for neutrals there's no difference | May 16 07:13 |
| mvkfopw | they don't use either of them | May 16 07:13 |
| You are welcome, Roy. I just sent another one. | May 16 07:14 | |
| Good luck with it and let me know if I can help further. | May 16 07:14 | |
| oiaohm | Linux people get hammered for not being truthful about defects in the OS as well. Windows pushers normally don't want to be truthful about problems. | May 16 07:18 |
| oiaohm | When windows pushers are truthful they get attacked too by people from the MS side out to destroy them. | May 16 07:19 |
| oiaohm | Spin is Spin no matter who is doing it. | May 16 07:19 |
| oiaohm | mvkfopw: neutrals have the nasty problem of being attacked from all sides when they complain about different defects. | May 16 07:21 |
| mvkfopw | there are no neutrals | May 16 07:22 |
| mvkfopw | only people that have not come to a decision | May 16 07:22 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem there are always neutrals. Who look at items on techical mert segment by segment. They don't care about Pro Linux Pro BSD Pro Mac Pro Windows Pro Solarias. They care what tech is best for the job. | May 16 07:25 |
| schestowitz | twitter: I think we already have a voluntary host. I'm waiting to hear from Shane. | May 16 07:31 |
| oiaohm | See you are still having fun schestowitz | May 16 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Progress though | May 16 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Short story | May 16 07:33 |
| schestowitz | No apprarent DDOS | May 16 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Just lots of traffic | May 16 07:33 |
| schestowitz | But I don't understand why it crippled the server for so long | May 16 07:33 |
| schestowitz | So host wants to sell dedicated | May 16 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Shane suggested to split the site into two machines, but I don't think the host will love the idea | May 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | So we're back at the point of needing more cpacity | May 16 07:34 |
| oiaohm | So what I feared the last time you hit limit has happened. | May 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | tessier has hosting he can offer and Shane can pass all the ad revenue to him | May 16 07:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe | May 16 07:35 |
| Well, I hope you get options. If Shane wants out, let him go. A capacity problem should solve itself with reasonable revenue through advertising. Give that host a call and see what they can do for you. | May 16 07:35 | |
| schestowitz | But it was just too sudden | May 16 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Site has got more advertisement this year than any other. | May 16 07:35 |
| Other sites solve these problems, so can BN. | May 16 07:35 | |
| oiaohm | Growth would be above predictions. | May 16 07:36 |
| schestowitz | This is very troubling. I have many posts coming | May 16 07:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't even know when to move and how. Shane wants to try to stay on shared | May 16 07:37 |
| The posts are all good, but you need a stable foundation. | May 16 07:37 | |
| schestowitz | We've lobbied them for a long timf ro this | May 16 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Even when traffic was half that (2 months ago) | May 16 07:37 |
| It's all your writing for the most part. Please yourself. | May 16 07:37 | |
| schestowitz | And this was our last chance so to speak | May 16 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Shared has it problems. | May 16 07:37 |
| oiaohm | If the other people sharing with you has high loads at the same times as you big problems. | May 16 07:38 |
| schestowitz | If we move to dedicated I would probably move it over to mine because of the cost | May 16 07:38 |
| schestowitz | But it would cost me a fortune | May 16 07:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm no small business | May 16 07:38 |
| oiaohm | Its time to talk to the foundations out there. | May 16 07:39 |
| you could be with all the traffic you get | May 16 07:39 | |
| oiaohm | Or set up one. | May 16 07:39 |
| you need information, Roy. Other people have it and can help you out. | May 16 07:39 | |
| schestowitz | I have it thanks | May 16 07:40 |
| schestowitz | No need for E-mailing, twitter | May 16 07:40 |
| Yes there was. I wanted to get other people involved. | May 16 07:40 | |
| schestowitz | tessier can provide hosting | May 16 07:41 |
| I've sent you a total of two emails, both copies of other people I've been corresponding with. | May 16 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | We'd pay him all the ads money for it | May 16 07:41 |
| If you have gotten more than that from me, someone is playing games. | May 16 07:41 | |
| check headers. | May 16 07:41 | |
| and let me know. | May 16 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | I'm really wary right now. Not because regs have to wait aside but because of SEs | May 16 07:42 |
| schestowitz | I want to get it back ASAP | May 16 07:42 |
| that's understandable. | May 16 07:42 | |
| schestowitz | Which is why Shane and I pressure the host to stretch a bit | May 16 07:42 |
| schestowitz | Scroll up a bit | May 16 07:42 |
| schestowitz | I paste some stuff here | May 16 07:42 |
| schestowitz | Basically, they promise half a tera of b/w. | May 16 07:42 |
| schestowitz | But they don't want to deliver at just over .0..2 | May 16 07:43 |
| schestowitz | They say it's "FAR too much" | May 16 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Excuse ME? | May 16 07:43 |
| schestowitz | "You say you can deliver X, now it's too much?" | May 16 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Not a unique problem BTW. | May 16 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Its common. | May 16 07:44 |
| oiaohm | Half a tera offer is lucky to be 0.15 or a tera. | May 16 07:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.catalyst2.com/dedicated-hosting | May 16 07:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: really? | May 16 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Crooks | May 16 07:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: how to move data and DBs (home dirs also) between hosts? | May 16 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Can hosts be asked to do it themselves? | May 16 07:45 |
| I think you have to ask the hosts about these details and I think that you need to know the answers. | May 16 07:45 | |
| schestowitz | "'Price £199/month £299/month £399/month" | May 16 07:46 |
| oiaohm | From shared to decated inside the same firm they normally can do it themselves. | May 16 07:46 |
| schestowitz | WTF? Ads pay only about $50/month, IIRC | May 16 07:46 |
| Ask the host how much ads really generate. | May 16 07:46 | |
| oiaohm | Its simple copy. | May 16 07:46 |
| schestowitz | twitter: not the host, Shane | May 16 07:46 |
| and take your tremendous body of work to the one that will best service you. | May 16 07:47 | |
| schestowitz | For a moment there I though he paid more for SHARED hosting than the ads paid | May 16 07:47 |
| oiaohm | Problem why 0.5 tera ends up at 0.15 is shared hosting. | May 16 07:47 |
| schestowitz | tessier can provide hosting | May 16 07:47 |
| oiaohm | Its basically over allocated. | May 16 07:47 |
| ah, that's nice. | May 16 07:47 | |
| oiaohm | If only 1 or 2 on the server wants it they can get. | May 16 07:48 |
| oiaohm | When more than 1 or 2 wants it things go south. | May 16 07:48 |
| but I think you should be in contact with the other service mentioned. | May 16 07:48 | |
| schestowitz | YEah. | May 16 07:48 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: when crossing providers its back everything up normally. | May 16 07:49 |
| schestowitz | How to move data? | May 16 07:49 |
| schestowitz | CDs? | May 16 07:49 |
| schestowitz | FTP? | May 16 07:49 |
| oiaohm | Depends on what your current host and the host you are moving to offers and how much you need to move. | May 16 07:50 |
| schestowitz | About 4GB+DBs | May 16 07:50 |
| schestowitz | 2 DBs | May 16 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Some hosts offer dvd backup and over night transport. | May 16 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Some offer syncing off server to there server. | May 16 07:51 |
| schestowitz | ping tessier are you there? | May 16 07:51 |
| oiaohm | Sorry there is no like hard and fast rule here schestowitz | May 16 07:51 |
| oiaohm | Reason why with cloud talk groups were trying to make a hosting standard. | May 16 07:52 |
| schestowitz | If we move, then it's good to ensure we can deliver afterwards. I'd pay him whatever we have | May 16 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we'll need to raise money from readers | May 16 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Wait, I'll phone him | May 16 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Remember that rose foundation we stumbled accross being linked to MS. They were a non for profit host. | May 16 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Ok not exactly linked to MS. Doing stuff you would suspect linked to MS. | May 16 07:54 |
| oiaohm | I think you are also to the point of needing 2 hosting locations schestowitz. | May 16 07:54 |
| oiaohm | If one decides to not work have plan b. | May 16 07:55 |
| schestowitz | I see.. | May 16 07:55 |
| schestowitz | But none of this is cheap | May 16 07:55 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You rang? | May 16 07:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 07:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we can speak here | May 16 07:55 |
| tessier | Whatever works for you | May 16 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Is it OK to host with bandwidth of like 200gb/month? | May 16 07:56 |
| schestowitz | We'd pay you what's required | May 16 07:56 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Sure, that's no problem. What's the average megabit/s on that? | May 16 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Shane is willing to do dedicated with DimeHost | May 16 07:56 |
| schestowitz | And trying to make workarounds like splitting servers won't make the host too convinced | May 16 07:57 |
| schestowitz | tessier: like over +5gb per day | May 16 07:57 |
| tessier | No problem. | May 16 07:57 |
| schestowitz | MySQL/PHP stuff mostly | May 16 07:57 |
| schestowitz | PHP4 IIRC | May 16 07:58 |
| schestowitz | 2 DBs, home dir is abut 4gb | May 16 07:58 |
| tessier | I have a server in a good colo. We don't have any bandwidth caps or anything. We would pay extra if it went over something like 5mb/s at 95th percentile or whatever but I don't think that will be an issue. 5gb isn't much. | May 16 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Wow | May 16 07:59 |
| One last email, Roy. | May 16 07:59 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder if the host can quickly mail you all the data | May 16 07:59 |
| schestowitz | twitter: OK | May 16 08:00 |
| tessier | Right now the server is slightly crippled in that if you need to get going right now I can't easily turn up your own virtual machine. But I can give you a user account on my currently running web server and get you going if that will work. | May 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | twitter: Thanks. | May 16 08:01 |
| no problem. | May 16 08:01 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: you could make this public too | May 16 08:01 |
| tessier | 4g of disk is nothing as well. I think I'm running PHP5 or whatever centos 5.2 currently ships with. Think it is backwards compatible with your stuff? | May 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure | May 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | WordPress wants php4 AFAIK | May 16 08:01 |
| tessier | I can always back-rev it to php4 then. | May 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Let me check if it chnaged | May 16 08:02 |
| OK, but I'm sleepy now. Take your time. :) | May 16 08:02 | |
| tessier | I don't have anything else that needs php. | May 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | "Requirements: PHP 4.3 or higher, MySQL 4.0 or higher, Apache or Litespeed recommended." | May 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/hosting/ | May 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | So maybe it can take php5 now | May 16 08:02 |
| tessier | "or higher" so I bet you are set. | May 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 16 08:03 |
| schestowitz | tessier: if you were to set up an FTP account... | May 16 08:03 |
| tessier | Can you do scp? | May 16 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I mean, after speaking to the host and all to see if I can get access to that | May 16 08:03 |
| sftp, I'm sure | May 16 08:03 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes | May 16 08:03 |
| tessier | ok | May 16 08:03 |
| tessier | What username? | May 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Any cpanel? | May 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | tessier: boycottn | May 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | To keep it consistent | May 16 08:04 |
| tessier | I don't have any cpanel. | May 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | /home/boycottn | May 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | tessier: that's OK | May 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Any stats packages? (not so important) | May 16 08:04 |
| tessier | We can install whatever stats package you need | May 16 08:05 |
| schestowitz | :-D | May 16 08:05 |
| schestowitz | OK, let me check if there's something I missed | May 16 08:05 |
| schestowitz | OK, I'll mail them :-) | May 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | "One of our readers whom I've know for years will set up an account for us (virtually no limits). Can you ask the host for access to FTP and the DBs so that I can fetch them and transfer?" | May 16 08:07 |
| tessier | Do you need me to turn on an ftp server or can you scp it | May 16 08:08 |
| tessier | ? | May 16 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. Probably not yet | May 16 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I want to see what the host says | May 16 08:09 |
| tessier | Ok. Copy in all of your php, html, a mysqldump or whatever. Also copy over the apache config so I can copy that into my own apache config. I'm creating you a mysql account now...will put the details in a file called mysql.txt in your homedir... | May 16 08:11 |
| schestowitz | OK, I'm in | May 16 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Changed passw | May 16 08:12 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 16 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Are apache configs in the home directory too? Because I think now | May 16 08:12 |
| tessier | The apache configs are currently in /etc/httpd | May 16 08:14 |
| tessier | I will have to put the correct config in place for you | May 16 08:14 |
| schestowitz | tessier: here's a plan | May 16 08:15 |
| schestowitz | I can pass the home dir as of some time before downtime | May 16 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Then put the DBs too | May 16 08:15 |
| tessier | ok... | May 16 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Until I get the most up-to-date from host | May 16 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Then we can test | May 16 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Change DNS and put the up-to-date file | May 16 08:15 |
| schestowitz | *s | May 16 08:15 |
| tessier | sounds good | May 16 08:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm in on fish:// | May 16 08:16 |
| schestowitz | KDE :-) | May 16 08:16 |
| tessier | Do you happen to know the name of the mysql database your app will be expecting? | May 16 08:16 |
| schestowitz | DB name? | May 16 08:17 |
| schestowitz | boycott_wrdpr1 IIRC | May 16 08:17 |
| tessier | ok | May 16 08:17 |
| schestowitz | Not sure yet | May 16 08:17 |
| schestowitz | Let me throw in the DBs | May 16 08:17 |
| tessier | I can change it later if necessary....I'm just setting up mysql for you now. | May 16 08:17 |
| schestowitz | Copying | May 16 08:18 |
| schestowitz | :-D | May 16 08:19 |
| schestowitz | I'm grateful | May 16 08:19 |
| *schestowitz looks at mysql.txt | May 16 08:19 | |
| tessier | Ok, your mysql connection details are in there | May 16 08:20 |
| tessier | I can help you configure wordpress to use the new mysql info if necessary once you have everything copied over and extracted or whatever | May 16 08:21 |
| schestowitz | the db name is wrdp1 | May 16 08:21 |
| tessier | ok | May 16 08:21 |
| schestowitz | So I got it wrong from memory | May 16 08:21 |
| schestowitz | Next I'd put the home dir in | May 16 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Without the big files. | May 16 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I'll give you my wordpress credentials | May 16 08:22 |
| schestowitz | So that you can see it :-) | May 16 08:22 |
| tessier | How long do you think the copy will take? | May 16 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I'll trim it down | May 16 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I need to uncompress the full db, then I'll remove the large chunks of vids and images | May 16 08:24 |
| tessier | We have tons of disk space so don't worry about that. Maybe just copy over the important stuff for now just to get the site back up and running and then copy over the big stuff later | May 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | May 16 08:26 |
| schestowitz | The DBs are almost there | May 16 08:31 |
| schestowitz | 40mb compressed. | May 16 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Copying my home dir from externel HDD to local at 20MB/sec | May 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | Should I upload the zipped home dir? | May 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | Might be faster to umcompress on the server? | May 16 08:32 |
| tessier | yes, upload it compressed | May 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | OK, to recap: So we have a new account now. We are passing backups of the site there (about 2 days old), then test it. If all OK, then we can pass the up-to-date data from the old host and change DNS. | May 16 08:34 |
| *schestowitz transferring home dir, database are both there (complete) | May 16 08:37 | |
| schestowitz | *bases | May 16 08:37 |
| tessier | Ok, go ahead and uncompress and let me know when everything is in there and where it should be | May 16 08:37 |
| tessier | Also bring over a copy of the relevant apache config if you have it so I can just copy it into mine. I've never run wordpress before myself so it would be useful if I could just drop the old config in. | May 16 08:38 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail ~]$ ls -la | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | total 231876 | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | drwx------ 2 boycottn boycottn 4096 May 16 00:52 . | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 May 16 00:18 .. | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -rw-r--r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 24 May 16 00:18 .bash_logout | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -rw-r--r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 176 May 16 00:18 .bash_profile | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -rw-r--r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 124 May 16 00:18 .bashrc | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -rw-r--r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 515 May 16 00:18 .emacs | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -r--r--r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 8434 May 16 00:28 .fishsrv.pl | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -rw-rw-r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 8159232 May 16 00:52 backup-boycottnovell.com-5-13-2009.tar.gz | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -rw-r--r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 247 May 16 00:36 mysql.txt | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -rw-r--r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 11721771 May 16 00:33 wiki.sql | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | -rw-r--r-- 1 boycottn boycottn 217271459 May 16 00:50 wrdp1.sql | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail ~]$ | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | I've uncompressed the DBs | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Still passing the home dir (backup-boycottnovell.com-5-13-2009.tar.gz) | May 16 08:39 |
| schestowitz | What we need now from DimeHost is access to cpanel to download the latest DBs and home dir. | May 16 08:42 |
| tessier | You can't ssh in and get that? | May 16 08:42 |
| *DaemonFC (n=DaemonFC@c-67-173-86-85.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 08:53 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: nope :-) | May 16 08:53 |
| schestowitz | That's why the old host kid of sucked | May 16 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | well, the SP2 integrated ISO works | May 16 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 16 08:54 |
| schestowitz | 73mb/2700mb of home directory done. tessier: I suppose you get sleep soon? | May 16 09:06 |
| tessier | hmm...I guess so since it seems it will be a while before we can put everything back together for the site. | May 16 09:07 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail ~]$ uname -a | May 16 09:07 |
| schestowitz | Linux mail.copilotco.com 2.6.18-92.1.22.el5xen #1 SMP Tue Dec 16 12:26:32 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | May 16 09:07 |
| schestowitz | I could pass a subset | May 16 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Just to test the CMSs | May 16 09:08 |
| tessier | a subset? | May 16 09:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll do both at the same time | May 16 09:08 |
| schestowitz | tessier: most of that file size of media files | May 16 09:08 |
| schestowitz | like the freely-distributed images I put in the site | May 16 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Very auxiliary, so not needed for setting things up | May 16 09:09 |
| *ziggyfish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 09:12 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Microsoft has a blog writing tool that's compatible with Wordpress | May 16 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | and it doesn't suck | May 16 09:13 |
| *DaemonFC scratches his chin | May 16 09:13 | |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, what's the catch | May 16 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | something is missing here | May 16 09:13 |
| ziggyfish | does it do it properly? | May 16 09:13 |
| ziggyfish | does it only work on windows? | May 16 09:14 |
| ziggyfish | with Microsoft there is always a catch | May 16 09:14 |
| schestowitz | tessier: give me a few minutes and I'll have the CMSs up | May 16 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2887/39525593.png | May 16 09:17 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, thank you ;) | May 16 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | screenshot | May 16 09:17 |
| schestowitz | The media will arrive 'in the background' (takes longer) | May 16 09:17 |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: we're probably migrating | May 16 09:17 |
| schestowitz | tessier to become the God of BN | May 16 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's good, but yeah, of course it only runs on Windows | May 16 09:18 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, fedora? | May 16 09:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: just more added value to Windows, I guess. I personally just use Kate to write Wordpress posts | May 16 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Raw HTML with strong toolsets | May 16 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | nothing from Windows Live will install on XP x64 | May 16 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | unless you unpack it and manually install the files yourself | May 16 09:19 |
| mvkfopw | like those who use xpx64 use windows live... | May 16 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | May 16 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | plenty do | May 16 09:19 |
| *ziggyfish thinks DaemonFC is a windows guy | May 16 09:20 | |
| DaemonFC | XP Pro X64 is the only non-Vista way to get a copy of Windows that will recognize all your RAM | May 16 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's basically its only draw | May 16 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Makes me wonder why they don't make Internet Explorer perform decently | May 16 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | with the money and the number of people they have, it could be done | May 16 09:23 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, IE is Mircosoft's way of trying to control the internet | May 16 09:24 |
| schestowitz | And IIS | May 16 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | they hard code settings into IIS on Vista Business to make it only useful for small local network servers | May 16 09:25 |
| ziggyfish | god only knows what IIS is meant to be, is it meant to be a web server? | May 16 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think it defaults to 20 max connections | May 16 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | can you can increase it up to 60 | May 16 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | beyond that you're patching Windows system files | May 16 09:26 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, better than XP, it only support 5 connections | May 16 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | *you can | May 16 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 16 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | XP Pro X64 and Vista Business have higher max connections than XP Pro | May 16 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | of course XP Pro X64 is a much better OS than normal XP | May 16 09:27 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, I prefer Linux's limit | May 16 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 16 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | there was a guy I knew that was always like "My Mac is blah blah blah and PCs are epic fail, lalala" | May 16 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | then he ended up using my PC one day and ended up with some backwards compliments | May 16 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | so I suppose it is just all how it's marketed | May 16 09:29 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, was he on drug or stoned at the time? | May 16 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | I've used both, given the choice I would definitely not pick the Mac | May 16 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | not only have I used Intel and PPC OS X Macs | May 16 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | but OS 9 PPC and OS 8 and 7.5 Motorola | May 16 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | they're so fucking incoherant they make Windows look organized | May 16 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | seriously, I still have software I bought for Windows 95 and NT 4 that works with Vista x64 | May 16 09:32 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, as long it can run Linux, I don't care what platform I use, heck the ARM processors are looking good | May 16 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | the Mac would have switched the entire OS and ported between three different CPUs | May 16 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | in that time | May 16 09:33 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/4293717 | May 16 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you say that | May 16 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | but different architectures on Linux are not well supported compared to x86 | May 16 09:34 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, I still have software that is 30 years old | May 16 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | the closest you may find is PPC just cause of all the old Macs | May 16 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | and even there there's no Flash or anything | May 16 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | much less running anything in Wine | May 16 09:34 |
| mvkfopw | hehe, wolframalpha is out | May 16 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | X86 is the standard jsut because between Microsoft and Apple they control over 98% of the PC market | May 16 09:35 |
| ziggyfish | mvkfopw, never heard of it url =??? | May 16 09:35 |
| mvkfopw | wolframalpha.com | May 16 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft and Apple are basically the same thing | May 16 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | if Apple ever gets as big as Microsoft, they'll be doing the exact same customer abuse | May 16 09:36 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | May 16 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | they already get away with that in certain markets | May 16 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | like the vendor lock in for the iphone | May 16 09:37 |
| ziggyfish | mvkfopw, what is it? | May 16 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | causing it to remain overpriced and then you have people selling their souls to AT&T | May 16 09:37 |
| mvkfopw | read there | May 16 09:37 |
| mvkfopw | to the right of it's title | May 16 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | Apple also has the same sentiment towards P2P and BitTorrent as Microsoft | May 16 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | they refused to host a bittorrent app because it's "mainly used for piracy" | May 16 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | so I think Apple will probably be the next Microsoft at this pace | May 16 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | they're gaining ground faster than anyone else | May 16 09:39 |
| ziggyfish | mvkfopw, it's broken. Error message = Wolfram|Alpha has temporarily exceeded it's current maximum test load | May 16 09:39 |
| mvkfopw | it works for me | May 16 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | you notice that as Apple gains market share they put out better models at lower prices | May 16 09:40 |
| mvkfopw | ziggyfish, it's computational knowledge engine | May 16 09:41 |
| ziggyfish | oh, ok | May 16 09:41 |
| ziggyfish | nice | May 16 09:42 |
| ziggyfish | nice I'm only 8312 days young | May 16 09:45 |
| mvkfopw | and what | May 16 09:46 |
| mvkfopw | school student can use that | May 16 09:46 |
| ziggyfish | lol | May 16 09:46 |
| mvkfopw | :)) so you found out how old you are there XD | May 16 09:47 |
| ziggyfish | I wonder if it can do any complex equations? | May 16 09:48 |
| schestowitz | tessier: uploading home dirt files now | May 16 09:48 |
| mvkfopw | visit mathematics link there, everything that it can do is listed :) | May 16 09:49 |
| ziggyfish | mvkfopw, I like the way it thinks ;) | May 16 09:57 |
| trmanco | homer is back | May 16 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Not to IRC, yet | May 16 10:06 |
| trmanco | lol | May 16 10:07 |
| trmanco | 24. Miguel de Icaza - Microsoft's Pet Monkey 7 | May 16 10:07 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/4295087 | May 16 10:17 |
| trmanco | haha | May 16 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://rainbowstalin5.ytmnd.com/ | May 16 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 16 10:23 |
| trmanco | lol | May 16 10:28 |
| trmanco | I like the music | May 16 10:28 |
| trmanco | :) | May 16 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUVmh6dhFzA | May 16 10:28 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I need to get some sleep. | May 16 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | there's the video | May 16 10:28 |
| tessier | schestowitz: There will be some downtime on the server tomorrow afternoon my time as I move some things around. Once that is done it should be up pretty much permanently. | May 16 10:29 |
| tessier | I'll get with you tomorrow to finish the setup. 'night | May 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Excellent! | May 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I'll be here all day today (GMT) | May 16 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://rainbowstalin4.ytmnd.com/ | May 16 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://rainbowstalin2.ytmnd.com/ | May 16 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 16 10:31 |
| trmanco | :D | May 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Here's a thought: | May 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | What if... | May 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | We could change domain name AND | May 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | the older one kept running as shared and just remapping links to another domain? | May 16 10:32 |
| schestowitz | As in boycottnovell.com/whatever->newdomain.com/whatever | May 16 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | or if you're being DDoSed you could just redirect to Microsoft.com | May 16 10:33 |
| schestowitz | We already look beyond Novell anyway | May 16 10:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they can handle it | May 16 10:33 |
| schestowitz | I already redirect their FrontPage junk to Microsoft.com/eatyourgarbage | May 16 10:33 |
| trmanco | lol | May 16 10:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: let's think about it | May 16 10:33 |
| schestowitz | What would be a good new name/theme for BN? | May 16 10:34 |
| schestowitz | If we were to change it? | May 16 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what to call it | May 16 10:34 |
| schestowitz | But here's the chance to change name | May 16 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | I've never been good with naming things | May 16 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | it took me 2 weeks to name my cat | May 16 10:35 |
| schestowitz | This would mean that I can keep the old account with shared and redirects onlu | May 16 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Also good as backup server | May 16 10:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: many people never name their cats | May 16 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Boycott Novell sounds too offensive | May 16 10:35 |
| schestowitz | I never liked the name | May 16 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Not my choice, either | May 16 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Any suggestions for new name/domain for BN? | May 16 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | you ever find out what took it down? | May 16 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe DDOS, maybe just real load | May 16 10:36 |
| schestowitz | But the host is unhappy either way | May 16 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Some days we do like half a million hits | May 16 10:37 |
| schestowitz | The host doesn't care if he promise more | May 16 10:37 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 10:41 | |
| _Hicham_ | Hi oiaohm! | May 16 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://cornonthekabob.ytmnd.com/ | May 16 10:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: we might rename BN | May 16 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Any suggestions? | May 16 10:43 |
| _Hicham_ | why rename it? | May 16 10:44 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a good name | May 16 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://patience-king4.ytmnd.com/ | May 16 10:45 |
| _Hicham_ | no renaming until Novell got bankrupt please | May 16 10:45 |
| _Hicham_ | the issue is still the same | May 16 10:45 |
| _Hicham_ | who suggested renaming? | May 16 10:46 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 10:47 | |
| schestowitz | Some opensuse people suggested it... | May 16 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Windows_vista | May 16 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I actually had every development build of Longhorn all the way up til they rebased it on Windows 2003 | May 16 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | it was gearing up to be a lot better than it turned out being | May 16 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno | May 16 10:54 |
| *amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-53-95.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 11:02 | |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 11:12 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : why rename BN? | May 16 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Never mind | May 16 11:13 |
| schestowitz | You oppose it | May 16 11:13 |
| schestowitz | So it will stay | May 16 11:13 |
| schestowitz | There are other technical issues | May 16 11:13 |
| schestowitz | In case Novell gets bought, which is likely, thing will get intresting. | May 16 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Like 80% of Novell is not SUSE anyway | May 16 11:14 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, that would be a valid reason to rename it | May 16 11:14 |
| _Hicham_ | Novell is tainting SuSe | May 16 11:14 |
| _Hicham_ | SuSe have very good tools | May 16 11:15 |
| schestowitz | yast | May 16 11:15 |
| schestowitz | I used to use SUSE | May 16 11:15 |
| _Hicham_ | YaST is great | May 16 11:15 |
| _Hicham_ | just like drakconf | May 16 11:16 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u prefer? YaST or drakconf? | May 16 11:16 |
| *ziggyfish has quit ("Leaving") | May 16 11:16 | |
| _Hicham_ | it turns out that swfdec have some issues with X Server | May 16 11:17 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know if DRI2 will resolve that | May 16 11:17 |
| trmanco | apt | May 16 11:17 |
| schestowitz | I used an old yast | May 16 11:17 |
| schestowitz | So I don't think I can make a fair comparison | May 16 11:17 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: apt is different | May 16 11:17 |
| trmanco | aptitude | May 16 11:18 |
| _Hicham_ | apt is to be compared wity zypper, yum and urpmi | May 16 11:18 |
| _Hicham_ | apt is faster because it is coded in C++ | May 16 11:18 |
| trmanco | I meant aptitude | May 16 11:19 |
| _Hicham_ | if only swfdec could get around the high cpu usage | May 16 11:19 |
| trmanco | isn't yast some console based package manager? | May 16 11:19 |
| _Hicham_ | swfdec works really great | May 16 11:19 |
| _Hicham_ | better than gnash | May 16 11:19 |
| _Hicham_ | and with better rendering | May 16 11:19 |
| _Hicham_ | but they have both the high CPU usage | May 16 11:20 |
| trmanco | flash 9 had huge cpu usage too | May 16 11:20 |
| _Hicham_ | I read in RedHat's bugzilla that it is Xvideo Extension related | May 16 11:20 |
| _Hicham_ | not Flash 10 | May 16 11:20 |
| _Hicham_ | Flash 10 has a fair CPU usage | May 16 11:20 |
| _Hicham_ | but it gets high for long videos | May 16 11:21 |
| _Hicham_ | the same problem | May 16 11:21 |
| _Hicham_ | Adobe just made hacks around Xv limitations | May 16 11:21 |
| _Hicham_ | hopefully, OpenGL seems to be the solutions to all of that | May 16 11:21 |
| _Hicham_ | with DRI2 | May 16 11:21 |
| _Hicham_ | where is oiaohm? | May 16 11:25 |
| oiaohm | Was watching a movie. | May 16 11:26 |
| _Hicham_ | what movie? | May 16 11:26 |
| _Hicham_ | is it a new one? | May 16 11:26 |
| oiaohm | submerged | May 16 11:26 |
| oiaohm | No old one. | May 16 11:26 |
| _Hicham_ | u like history | May 16 11:27 |
| _Hicham_ | finally KMS works for me oiaohm | May 16 11:27 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of movies I have never seen. | May 16 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Old movies I can pick up for less than going out. | May 16 11:28 |
| oiaohm | KMS and DRI2 will see a lot of problems disappear. | May 16 11:28 |
| _Hicham_ | A lot of mine disappeared already | May 16 11:29 |
| _Hicham_ | now I am having a great boot | May 16 11:29 |
| _Hicham_ | that I have never had | May 16 11:29 |
| _Hicham_ | no flickering | May 16 11:29 |
| _Hicham_ | no screen corruption | May 16 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Opengl support still needs to catch up. | May 16 11:29 |
| _Hicham_ | true | May 16 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Its still on time table. | May 16 11:30 |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't have to modify xorg.conf | May 16 11:30 |
| _Hicham_ | finally | May 16 11:30 |
| _Hicham_ | bye bye xorg.conf | May 16 11:30 |
| _Hicham_ | that was one of the things that I hated | May 16 11:31 |
| _Hicham_ | write the device section | May 16 11:31 |
| _Hicham_ | screen section | May 16 11:31 |
| _Hicham_ | server section | May 16 11:31 |
| oiaohm | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3167589970.html?kc=rss This is interesting. | May 16 11:31 |
| _Hicham_ | modules section | May 16 11:31 |
| _Hicham_ | now we have a graphical touchpad setup | May 16 11:32 |
| _Hicham_ | and a transparent user experience | May 16 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully multi seat support will return soon. | May 16 11:33 |
| *amd-linux (n=cwolf@dslb-088-067-008-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 11:33 | |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : what do u think of swfdec and gnash? | May 16 11:33 |
| _Hicham_ | dead silent room | May 16 11:40 |
| _Hicham_ | no one to talk to | May 16 11:40 |
| _Hicham_ | I would better leave | May 16 11:40 |
| amd-linux | hehe :-) | May 16 11:43 |
| amd-linux | guess everybody is afk for lunch | May 16 11:43 |
| mvkfopw | there's just no topic to talk about | May 16 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Have not played with swfdec and gnash much recently. | May 16 11:48 |
| oiaohm | I am getting annoyed with adobe flash memory leaks. | May 16 11:50 |
| *liberfiasco (n=libervis@93-138-230-25.adsl.net.t-com.hr) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 11:54 | |
| _Hicham_ | swfdec seems in a better state than gnash | May 16 11:55 |
| _Hicham_ | do u use official Adobe Flash? | May 16 11:55 |
| *libervisco has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | May 16 11:55 | |
| oiaohm | I have a few sites where the last time gnash and swfdec were not good enough. | May 16 11:56 |
| _Hicham_ | give me an example | May 16 11:56 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | May 16 11:56 | |
| oiaohm | But its been 12 months. One was a goverment contract site _Hicham_. | May 16 11:56 |
| _Hicham_ | swfdec has gstreamer backend support now | May 16 11:57 |
| _Hicham_ | so it should play most flash format | May 16 11:57 |
| oiaohm | So things could be different now _Hicham_. And if Adobe flash does not get memory leaks fixed I will be trying them again. | May 16 11:58 |
| _Hicham_ | do u use flash 10? | May 16 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | May 16 11:58 |
| *amd-linux (n=cwolf@dslb-088-067-008-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 11:59 | |
| oiaohm | Tried it. | May 16 11:59 |
| oiaohm | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25056/532/ Boy the duke nukem zombie. | May 16 12:02 |
| _Hicham_ | Flash in general sucks | May 16 12:02 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7868784002.html The title of this is the joke. | May 16 12:06 |
| _Hicham_ | Vive Open Source Alternatives | May 16 12:06 |
| _Hicham_ | the only proprietary piece of software that I am using now is mp3 | May 16 12:07 |
| _Hicham_ | I will convert all of my media files to ogg | May 16 12:07 |
| _Hicham_ | and remove mp3 codec | May 16 12:07 |
| _Hicham_ | so that I have a clean system | May 16 12:07 |
| oiaohm | So not using the mp3 open source codec. | May 16 12:08 |
| _Hicham_ | is there any open source mp3 codec? | May 16 12:08 |
| oiaohm | It was developed there first. | May 16 12:08 |
| oiaohm | gsteamer and others can have native support for mp3 in open source. | May 16 12:08 |
| _Hicham_ | are you talking about lame? | May 16 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Only reason it missing from distributions is patent. | May 16 12:09 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | May 16 12:09 |
| oiaohm | lame is one of the codecs. | May 16 12:09 |
| _Hicham_ | it is patented | May 16 12:09 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why I am gonna remove it soon | May 16 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Its patent should expire soon. | May 16 12:09 |
| _Hicham_ | I do not want patented software on my machine | May 16 12:09 |
| oiaohm | That will not leave much. | May 16 12:10 |
| _Hicham_ | when the patent will be over? | May 16 12:10 |
| oiaohm | 2011 for decoding. | May 16 12:12 |
| _Hicham_ | that is too far | May 16 12:12 |
| _Hicham_ | better use ogg | May 16 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Only 2 years | May 16 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Encoding to mp3 is different matter. | May 16 12:12 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't want a patented software, either for encoding of decoding | May 16 12:13 |
| _Hicham_ | I strive to live free | May 16 12:14 |
| _Hicham_ | patents are bad for everyone | May 16 12:14 |
| _Hicham_ | patents stop science progress | May 16 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Problem is even Linux kernel uses patented stuff. | May 16 12:14 |
| oiaohm | That IBM SUN and others allows open source to use. | May 16 12:14 |
| oiaohm | 100 percent patent free and have a working OS is basically impossable. | May 16 12:15 |
| oiaohm | It also depends where you are if MP3 patents are even legal _Hicham_ | May 16 12:17 |
| _Hicham_ | Hardware is different | May 16 12:17 |
| oiaohm | IBM and SUN patents also apply to OS design _Hicham_ | May 16 12:18 |
| oiaohm | There are a list of companies that have agreed not to apply patents against open source. | May 16 12:19 |
| _Hicham_ | but applied for commercial purposes? | May 16 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Appied against closed source yes. | May 16 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Not against open source in any form of usage. | May 16 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Basically you want to keep your source code secrect you have to pay. | May 16 12:20 |
| _Hicham_ | great | May 16 12:20 |
| _Hicham_ | very very very much great | May 16 12:21 |
| _Hicham_ | that is how things should work | May 16 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Patents are not complete evil to open source. | May 16 12:21 |
| _Hicham_ | is mp3 patented against open source? | May 16 12:21 |
| oiaohm | They are more a netural item that can harm closed source and open soruce equally. | May 16 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Mp3 patent is against open source. | May 16 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Its even more evil that mp3 was developed open source. | May 16 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Author took out patent inside the 12 months after release USA law allowed. | May 16 12:22 |
| _Hicham_ | I heard about that | May 16 12:23 |
| oiaohm | 1991 | May 16 12:23 |
| oiaohm | 1992 | May 16 12:23 |
| oiaohm | It blew up big time. | May 16 12:23 |
| _Hicham_ | vive ogg | May 16 12:23 |
| oiaohm | 2011 2012 depending on country. | May 16 12:24 |
| oiaohm | The patent expires for good. | May 16 12:24 |
| _Hicham_ | better use ogg | May 16 12:24 |
| _Hicham_ | and spread it | May 16 12:24 |
| _Hicham_ | especially that firefox has built-in ogg support | May 16 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically 2 to 3 years it will no longer be a issue. | May 16 12:24 |
| oiaohm | ogg is not avialbe from a lot of shops yet. | May 16 12:25 |
| oiaohm | http://www.fluendo.com/shop/product/fluendo-mp3-decoder/ This company is nice too. | May 16 12:25 |
| oiaohm | They sell the mp3 decoder to you for nothing. | May 16 12:25 |
| oiaohm | And give you the source code of there decoder. | May 16 12:26 |
| oiaohm | So you get a patent licence for nothing. | May 16 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Of course just for decoding _Hicham_ | May 16 12:26 |
| _Hicham_ | I prefer not to use it | May 16 12:27 |
| _Hicham_ | either for decoding or encoding | May 16 12:27 |
| _Hicham_ | ogg will take over with firefox | May 16 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Having it allows you to do the transcoding using all open soruce. | May 16 12:28 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | May 16 12:28 |
| _Hicham_ | to convert existing files | May 16 12:28 |
| _Hicham_ | that is what I do | May 16 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Or to try mp3 files to find out if they are worth converting. | May 16 12:28 |
| _Hicham_ | encoding in mp3 must stop | May 16 12:29 |
| _Hicham_ | that is the golden rule | May 16 12:29 |
| _Hicham_ | do not encode in anything but ogg | May 16 12:29 |
| oiaohm | I have not bothered converting my songs aquired in mp3 since I have a patent coverage on it for mp3 | May 16 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes anything I rip is ogg | May 16 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Just seams like a waste of resources to convert them all when I cannot realy be sued over it. | May 16 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Last mp3 patent for all the different forms of encoding goes by by in 2017. | May 16 12:37 |
| oiaohm | encoding you are going to be waiting for patent free. | May 16 12:38 |
| _Hicham_ | why encode in mp3 from the beginning? | May 16 13:02 |
| _Hicham_ | who doesn't like to live free? | May 16 13:02 |
| oiaohm | I did not. | May 16 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Its just songs and stuff I got from different places. | May 16 13:03 |
| _Hicham_ | I know | May 16 13:03 |
| _Hicham_ | I m just talking about putting videos on the Internet | May 16 13:03 |
| _Hicham_ | I won't bother using Youtube | May 16 13:04 |
| _Hicham_ | I will just put a banner saying that u must use Firefox to view this video | May 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. from USENET: | May 16 13:05 |
| schestowitz | "The machines are arriving with XP Home, and the college IT dept is | May 16 13:05 |
| schestowitz | installing Linux on every single one. This could be as high as 2000 to | May 16 13:05 |
| schestowitz | 3000 machines." | May 16 13:05 |
| _Hicham_ | what a waste | May 16 13:06 |
| _Hicham_ | 2000*$100=$20000 | May 16 13:06 |
| _Hicham_ | $100 is the OEM licence price | May 16 13:07 |
| _Hicham_ | at least | May 16 13:08 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft is a thief | May 16 13:10 |
| oiaohm | LOL | May 16 13:14 |
| oiaohm | You really think big OEMs pay 100 dollars for Windows. | May 16 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Costs 25 dollars per machine to upgrade them to XP pro so they can join network. | May 16 13:14 |
| oiaohm | With dell machine is cheeper with XP home istalled than with no OS on it. | May 16 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Just the the ammount of offset crap dell puts on. Machine is about 20 dollars more expenive OS less. | May 16 13:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft pays them? | May 16 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Part of it is MS paying for trial versions of MS Office. | May 16 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Still in MS' pockets: "Back home from SF -- but soon off to a Microsoft pre-brief. I feel like it's been awhile!" http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/1808052071 | May 16 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Its all the trial crap put on the system _Hicham_ | May 16 13:24 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, Still server down what happened? | May 16 13:30 |
| zer0c00l | FC11 on OLPC? http://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/05/16/the-olpc-xo-1-5-and-fedora-11 | May 16 13:32 |
| *zer0c00l is enjoying thunder storms | May 16 13:33 | |
| *magentar (n=magentar@94.79.154.7) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 13:40 | |
| oiaohm | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/16/1142230 This could turn out nasty for google. | May 16 14:08 |
| oiaohm | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090515/1154504899.shtml Now this is offeneive pushing for more open copyright. | May 16 14:10 |
| *magentar has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 14:11 | |
| schestowitz | Just got this: | May 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | "Lhater is classic, sound like it could have been written by | May 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | flatfish(s), it;s the combination of abuse and technical issues. And | May 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | dropping in a 'freetard' and a 'crapware' every so often. See here | May 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | where Lunduke is talking up a fake disagreement with Hhater. So we | May 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | have both Lunduke and de Icaza both drawing attention to it. Time for | May 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | a call to 'out' Lhater. | May 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | http://lunduke.com/?p=526 " | May 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Stupid fakers writing messages under my name too. | May 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | "Anonymous Roy Schestowitz said... | May 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | "In 2004, a variant of the Sasser worm infected my three-city network, and by the time the dust settled, it had cost me $12,000.00 in business. My machines were fully protected and fully patched." | May 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Looks like you are the idiot, and a liar too. Had you been using a firewall, your machines would have been "fully protected", but you didn't use one. Assuming ANY of your story was even true. Given your history, I doubt it. | May 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | 5/16/09 7:51 AM" | May 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | I didn't write this. Imposters. | May 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Good news. | May 16 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I should be able to pull the UTD data for migration | May 16 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Fakers http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/05/thin-line-between-victim-and-idiot.html "FAKE WARNING. That message above which is claimed to be from me is a forger. I did not write this." | May 16 14:28 |
| schestowitz | "Would you mind going onto the "idiots" blog and refuting this. I would appreciate it." | May 16 14:29 |
| schestowitz | It's someone from Digg who forges me. ("Someone that really hates me and goes by the name of "yonah" Familiar with this person?") | May 16 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Progress on ON (FWIW): | May 16 14:30 |
| schestowitz | > Wow! I literally was in the middle of opening up an account at | May 16 14:31 |
| schestowitz | > > serverbeach cuz they have 2x the package that surpass does at $69/mo. vs | May 16 14:31 |
| schestowitz | > > $65 for surpass. | May 16 14:31 |
| schestowitz | On Tracy's massive server we have no caps. :-) | May 16 14:31 |
| schestowitz | No cpanel, but we can live with that, right? We have SSH access, too. | May 16 14:31 |
| schestowitz | > > I will get the old account activated for the purpose of retrieving the data | May 16 14:32 |
| schestowitz | > > do you want me to xfer the domains to you via godaddy or what dns | May 16 14:32 |
| schestowitz | > > info do you want me to plug in? | May 16 14:32 |
| schestowitz | So now we just to test it first on the new server, assuming we get it all running, then this afternoon it could be up, hopefully. :-) | May 16 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft to users: Don’t switch to Vista < http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/microsoft-to-users-dont-switch-to-vista/ > | May 16 14:45 |
| schestowitz | MySQL Founder Monty Widenius and Percona CEO Peter Zaitsev Launch the Open Database Alliance < http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/05/prweb2417854.htm > | May 16 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Corruption all over, including the SEC itself: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/14/cbsnews_investigates/main5014672.shtml "CBS News has learned that two attorneys at the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) are under "active" criminal investigation by the FBI for trading stocks based on inside information." | May 16 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Short-Selling Sparks RICO Suit Against Financial Giants < http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202430726911 > | May 16 14:57 |
| _Hicham_ | Open Database Alliance is founded to counter Oracle | May 16 15:04 |
| _Hicham_ | MySQL destiny is unclear | May 16 15:06 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, why should they fake your name ? | May 16 15:06 |
| schestowitz | To discredit me | May 16 15:06 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, When BN will be up? | May 16 15:07 |
| schestowitz | When tessier wakes up we can probably get some stuff restored, then test it and change DNS | May 16 15:09 |
| Eruaran | hi roy | May 16 15:10 |
| zer0c00l | ok | May 16 15:10 |
| Eruaran | hows the search for a server going ? | May 16 15:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : try byethost | May 16 15:11 |
| _Hicham_ | byethost is great | May 16 15:11 |
| schestowitz | No need | May 16 15:11 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | May 16 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: we have one | May 16 15:11 |
| schestowitz | No GUI, but that's fine | May 16 15:11 |
| Eruaran | great news | May 16 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I wait for the admin ( tessier ) to wake up | May 16 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I need to put the DBs in place, test, get an IP and all | May 16 15:12 |
| Eruaran | :) | May 16 15:12 |
| _Hicham_ | you will put things on ur own server? | May 16 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Conversation with a friend about the site being down: | May 16 15:17 |
| schestowitz | >> Moving servers most likely. | May 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | > | May 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | > MSFTers in the current hosting service? Not likely Account allows 500gb, we only use 200gb, they say "far too much" | May 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: sort of | May 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | I trust tessier | May 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | No so-called "MSFTers" there | May 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | This friend has seen Microsofters vandalising a lot of pro-Linux things over the years | May 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | It's like a cult, he'd day, and he's probably right | May 16 15:19 |
| schestowitz | See that one from the other day: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/15/1229231&art_pos=1 | May 16 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Gartner&MS cult fight Linux with lies | May 16 15:19 |
| _Hicham_ | If I had a server, I would have offered you a free hosting | May 16 15:19 |
| schestowitz | About the Zuck shill, one person says: | May 16 15:20 |
| schestowitz | "Maybe it makes sense to collect all these original news bits in a wiki | May 16 15:20 |
| schestowitz | page to get a complete lobby profile but I have no time for this currently." | May 16 15:20 |
| schestowitz | We really need to organise all the material at some stage | May 16 15:20 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: thanks! | May 16 15:20 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: Ken will write about the forget. | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | === | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | > I think I'm fixin to embarrass the crap out of him. I won't drag you | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | > into it any more than to mention that he forged your name and that he's | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | > done it before. Is there anywhere you know of off the top of your head | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | > that might still be up on the net? | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/yonah.png | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | (look closely at entries) | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/users/Amiga501 | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | banned. (I didn't even realise this until now) | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | More forgers in: | May 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/ | May 16 15:25 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit ("Leaving.") | May 16 15:25 | |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz,forget? | May 16 15:26 |
| schestowitz | *Forger | May 16 15:26 |
| zer0c00l | okok | May 16 15:26 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | May 16 15:26 |
| zer0c00l | :) | May 16 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Vicious attack dogs that make death threats and the like | May 16 15:26 |
| schestowitz | The craziest kinds | May 16 15:26 |
| zer0c00l | lol roy you have got a collection | May 16 15:27 |
| zer0c00l | :) | May 16 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Small one. There are more out there. | May 16 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Some expire and I needed proof, so there are screenshots | May 16 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Digg staff was mostly ignoring the problem | May 16 15:28 |
| schestowitz | They let people post under my name as though I was gay and stuff | May 16 15:28 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 15:28 | |
| schestowitz | In USENET too they spread all sorts of libel like cross-gender and all. | May 16 15:29 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 15:39 | |
| MinceR | j0 | May 16 15:42 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: update on the Forget. | May 16 15:43 |
| schestowitz | *Forger | May 16 15:43 |
| schestowitz | == | May 16 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > Yeah, this guy is a putz. I banned him about 2 months ago for nasty | May 16 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > language on a site I invite kids to come read. Not much class there at | May 16 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > all. I am trying to pin him to Penguin Pete...the speech and writing | May 16 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > cadence is almost identical but he uses Tor and other anon tools...makes | May 16 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > it tough. The Yonah personality is heavily invested in Digg. Probably | May 16 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > several aliases there as well. | May 16 15:44 |
| schestowitz | The language is intended to litter the place, give it a bad name, and thus drive away readers. Slashdot too is a victim of it. | May 16 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Konsole Fonts < http://blog.nixternal.com/2009.05.15/konsole-fonts/ > | May 16 15:47 |
| zer0c00l | ok | May 16 15:48 |
| schestowitz | http://linsec.ca/blog/2009/05/15/sappy-but/ "Red Hat is *way* different from Mandriva, so I’ve had 8 years of one way of working to overcome in the last 3mos. " | May 16 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Migrating from Fedora Art Team to Fedora Design Team < https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00171.html > | May 16 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Activists push city endorsements of open source http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4223 | May 16 15:52 |
| *bwise (n=bwise@ip68-230-37-218.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 15:52 | |
| *bwise has quit (Client Quit) | May 16 15:55 | |
| *tomsdale (n=quassel@modemcable038.68-70-69.static.videotron.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 15:56 | |
| schestowitz | U.K. police swamped by surveillance TV data < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10241664-83.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 > | May 16 16:06 |
| schestowitz | I'm back in exactly 2 hours. If tessier wakes up, could you let him know? It seems as though we're almost ready to swap DNS. | May 16 16:19 |
| schestowitz | back at 6 | May 16 16:19 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit ("Leaving.") | May 16 16:43 | |
| *tomsdale has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | May 16 16:48 | |
| *tacone (n=ircm@93-32-134-129.ip33.fastwebnet.it) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 17:01 | |
| *amarsh04_ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-60-87.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 17:01 | |
| *maxstirner1 (n=user@g225052063.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 17:01 | |
| maxstirner1 | server is down? :( | May 16 17:02 |
| tacone | Bn still offline ? | May 16 17:02 |
| maxstirner1 | not good ;) | May 16 17:02 |
| maxstirner1 | too much traffic i guess | May 16 17:02 |
| tacone | If the wiki is the problem just revert to the blog layout | May 16 17:03 |
| maxstirner1 | i think the idea was to give new users an overview of the issues rather than confronting them with the day-to-day news | May 16 17:03 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 17:06 | |
| tacone | Yep but when the wiki was innaccessible the blog kept working | May 16 17:07 |
| tacone | I recommend trying reverting. | May 16 17:07 |
| *maxstirner1 (n=user@g225052063.adsl.alicedsl.de) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 17:08 | |
| tacone | Tell schestowiz if you see him. I won't be online for the next few days | May 16 17:11 |
| tacone | Bye | May 16 17:11 |
| *tacone has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 17:12 | |
| *amarsh04 has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) | May 16 17:14 | |
| *conley has quit ("Leaving.") | May 16 17:24 | |
| *conley (n=ibcliffo@cowcreamer.cs.vt.edu) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 17:25 | |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 17:29 | |
| *conley has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | May 16 17:32 | |
| *conley (n=ibcliffo@cowcreamer.cs.vt.edu) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 17:40 | |
| *conley has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | May 16 17:40 | |
| Twitter is rested. | May 16 17:40 | |
| Good morning. | May 16 17:40 | |
| mvkfopw | wtf, i just got banned from windows | May 16 17:42 |
| mvkfopw | yet 20th time | May 16 17:42 |
| mvkfopw | or may be more... | May 16 17:42 |
| ESR predicted M$ would attack the entire GNU/Linux community. They did this previously to individuals who worked for competitors. | May 16 17:42 | |
| mvkfopw | i just don't remember | May 16 17:42 |
| Fakers, trolls and FUD are the only weapons they have against free software. | May 16 17:42 | |
| They can't just kill a few companies and expect free software to go away, they have to destroy the community itself. | May 16 17:43 | |
| They intend to sew distrust, infighting, and repulse newcomers as well as disrupt information exchange. | May 16 17:44 | |
| mvkfopw | lol | May 16 17:44 |
| BBs, Google and GNU/Linux sites are critical to recruiting new members to the community, so they trash them. | May 16 17:44 | |
| mvkfopw | that's obvious | May 16 17:45 |
| mvkfopw | but i got banned from ##windows almost for no reason | May 16 17:45 |
| Many people do not believe this and think it's paranoid. | May 16 17:45 | |
| For instance, they think M$ hates Google because of economic competition alone. They have hated Google for much longer for proving the worth of free software and providing good organization of free software conversations. | May 16 17:46 | |
| mvkfopw | fopw> theacolyte, the moderation is not helping | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | * Widget` has left ##windows ("Leaving") | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> i was trying to use [tab] after "moder" | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> nope | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> it's not hw interrupts | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | <sureis> hw? | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | <Hentai7> he means, make use of enter less mvkfopw | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | <sureis> it is | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> you can as well stall for bus stall | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | * Alagar has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | May 16 17:46 |
| mvkfopw | <sureis> i am saying that i am looking at it when it does that...! | May 16 17:46 |
| In order to disrupt that organization, they have flooded sites like Slashdot with offensive spam. | May 16 17:46 | |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> Hentai7, who karez? | May 16 17:46 |
| *conley (n=ibcliffo@cowcreamer.cs.vt.edu) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 17:47 | |
| mvkfopw | * bosco has joined ##windows | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | <bosco> i have an avi file and i need to burn it to a cd so it will play automaticly in a dvd player how do i do that ???????????????????????????? | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | <Hentai7> mvkfopw, channel staff | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | * Alagar has joined ##windows | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | * |Assid| is now known as Assid | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | * THE_GFR|WORK looks at mvkfopw and says wtf? | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> Hentai7, i know that you're hentaixp | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> but do i karre? | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | is it enough to understand? | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | 'cause i kan proved the full logg | May 16 17:47 |
| mvkfopw | provide* | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | fopw> anyone who tells you about hardware interupts will kill ya | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> as a person | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <DFXDeimos> THE_GFR|WORK: Try the Logitech QuickCam Communicate MP | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <sureis> it is more wreckage that it is going crazy and i dont know what it is no? | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | * enq0r3__ has joined ##windows | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | * DFXDeimos has quit IRC ("Quit") | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | * reprore__ has joined ##windows | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> so what bothers you about hardware interrupts? | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <sureis> can you say anything that hardware interrupts is? | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <sureis> iterrupts what? | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> dude | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> you should've known better | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> what interrupts your cpu? | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> like hdds | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> timer | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> keyboard | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> pci | May 16 17:49 |
| mvkfopw | * repro____ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> ago | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> wtf | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> pci-x | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | <sureis> so if my hdd is badly fragged it will heat the cpu on interrupts yes? | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> wtf | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> no | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | <sureis> it is making big overtime on everything... | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | * Assid has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | <mvkfopw> interrupts have nothing to do with dat | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | that was quite before | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | strings before string | May 16 17:50 |
| mvkfopw | last one | May 16 17:50 |
| schestowitz | tessier: back yet? | May 16 17:51 |
| Wow, that EU GNU/Linux migration story is really amazing. M$ and Gartner should hang their heads in shame again. | May 16 17:51 | |
| I have not see tessier. is anything new? | May 16 17:52 | |
| schestowitz | Just need the db set up | May 16 17:53 |
| mvkfopw | ... | May 16 17:54 |
| trmanco | http://technologizer.com/2009/05/14/rumor-microsoft-can-kill-xbox-360s-remotely/ | May 16 17:54 |
| mvkfopw | m$ kan kill xbox360 remote? | May 16 17:55 |
| MinceR | it would be nice to know if that's true | May 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I know | May 16 17:55 |
| mvkfopw | according to that article, MinceR, it's true | May 16 17:56 |
| mvkfopw | but we could try it | May 16 17:57 |
| MinceR | the article also states that it's a rumor | May 16 17:57 |
| mvkfopw | not only | May 16 17:58 |
| mvkfopw | If the report is accurate, the obvious question remains: Does Microsoft have the legal right to do this? Yes, Metcalf argues, because hacking an Xbox 360 is a violation of the console’s terms of service, as well as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. | May 16 17:58 |
| mvkfopw | I was hesitant to agree at first, because Microsoft would then have to reserve the right, in its agreement with the user, to disable the console. | May 16 17:59 |
| *mvkfopw is a bit tired of consoles | May 16 18:00 | |
| mvkfopw | they don't make quite any sense | May 16 18:00 |
| mvkfopw | yet there're plenty of patent, copyright, license agreement wars | May 16 18:03 |
| mvkfopw | it's quite easire to make less of them than talking about them in here | May 16 18:05 |
| mvkfopw | FOR SURE | May 16 18:05 |
| mvkfopw | easier* | May 16 18:05 |
| schestowitz | At a later stage, when the site is back up, we need to use Google search to go through BN and pick the list of Zuck appearances to be presented more cohesively. It's on the non-existent 'todo' list. | May 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | mvkfopw: that site about the XBox is MSFTised | May 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | the guy who runs it | May 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Bribed by MS | May 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | (Vista 7 laptop, 2008) | May 16 18:10 |
| mvkfopw | waitwaitwait | May 16 18:10 |
| mvkfopw | it's xbox m$'s thingy? | May 16 18:10 |
| mvkfopw | so every site that has got xbox in ti is m$s' thingy | May 16 18:11 |
| http://slashdot.org/submission/1002165/M-Officially-Discourages-Vista-Migrations | May 16 18:11 | |
| mvkfopw | omg | May 16 18:11 |
| mvkfopw | m$ discourages vista migrations? | May 16 18:11 |
| mvkfopw | yeah, it's capable of | May 16 18:12 |
| mvkfopw | 'cause it's dumb | May 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I saw that sjvn article | May 16 18:12 |
| Non free software vendors reserve the "right" to terminate your license at any time for any reason. It's always been in their EULAs and there has always been code to make it so. It is only now that they dare do it. | May 16 18:13 | |
| M$ has officially killed Vista with that statement. Their shills and other liars will deny it but that's the fact. | May 16 18:14 | |
| I think I'd seen that before, but it's nice to have it quoted from a M$ employee making an official statement. | May 16 18:15 | |
| schestowitz | Will Your Next Netbook Be Running Android? < http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/android-netbooks/ > | May 16 18:15 |
| mvkfopw | mkay | May 16 18:16 |
| mvkfopw | let's take it this way: | May 16 18:16 |
| mvkfopw | m$ is only discouraging vista migrations | May 16 18:16 |
| mvkfopw | just because it wants everybod to move to vista8 | May 16 18:16 |
| mvkfopw | oh no | May 16 18:16 |
| mvkfopw | vista7 | May 16 18:16 |
| mvkfopw | but only then it will be vista8 | May 16 18:16 |
| mvkfopw | like in 2-3 years | May 16 18:17 |
| schestowitz | THewy already talk about it | May 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | The pro-vapour vapourware | May 16 18:18 |
| mvkfopw | idk who's thewy | May 16 18:18 |
| mvkfopw | no like that? | May 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | When Vista7 stinks they might start talking more about the next Dream(R) | May 16 18:18 |
| mvkfopw | 'm pretty sure they don't do anything at all to make it vista8 | May 16 18:18 |
| mvkfopw | they will do it vista xp instead but named vista 8 | May 16 18:18 |
| mvkfopw | there's nothing they can implement right now | May 16 18:19 |
| Vista Failure is complete http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 | May 16 18:19 | |
| mvkfopw | not even directX | May 16 18:19 |
| mvkfopw | that's only for vista | May 16 18:19 |
| mvkfopw | but they will | May 16 18:19 |
| mvkfopw | and even though there're no dx11 compatible cards | May 16 18:20 |
| mvkfopw | they will produce it XD | May 16 18:20 |
| mvkfopw | 'cause dx11 is not about softward | May 16 18:20 |
| mvkfopw | e | May 16 18:20 |
| mvkfopw | lol | May 16 18:20 |
| mvkfopw | not about hardwar | May 16 18:20 |
| mvkfopw | e | May 16 18:20 |
| mvkfopw | that it doesn't touch at all | May 16 18:20 |
| When M$ says to half Vista migration for migration to Vaporware, you know that Windows is dead. | May 16 18:21 | |
| mvkfopw | but only dx10 | May 16 18:21 |
| mvkfopw | which was only vista implementted | May 16 18:21 |
| and Vista is over. | May 16 18:21 | |
| mvkfopw | mkay | May 16 18:21 |
| mvkfopw | but does it take that short? | May 16 18:22 |
| mvkfopw | vista is already about 20% faked "market share" | May 16 18:22 |
| It's that fast | May 16 18:23 | |
| mvkfopw | lol | May 16 18:23 |
| mvkfopw | it's fast | May 16 18:23 |
| No one is going to buy a computer with Vista on it now. | May 16 18:23 | |
| mvkfopw | for an os to take market | May 16 18:23 |
| mvkfopw | yup | May 16 18:23 |
| mvkfopw | at least i didn't want to buy a GOOD laptop | May 16 18:23 |
| mvkfopw | with vista on it | May 16 18:23 |
| mvkfopw | you gotta look at it | May 16 18:24 |
| So there's at least 6 more months of OEM hardship.... to be followed by Windows 7 failure. | May 16 18:24 | |
| mvkfopw | http://shop.key.ru/shop/goods/91198/ | May 16 18:24 |
| mvkfopw | look at that | May 16 18:24 |
| mvkfopw | i didn't buy it just 'cause of vista | May 16 18:25 |
| mvkfopw | and look at the price | May 16 18:25 |
| The only way I'd buy a Vista laptop is used, after reading a GNU/Linux review about it or after running a live CD on it in a store. | May 16 18:25 | |
| mvkfopw | and use wolframalpha.com to find out what the price in usd was | May 16 18:25 |
| Most have nasty hardware that you DO NOT WANT. | May 16 18:25 | |
| mvkfopw | not hardware | May 16 18:25 |
| mvkfopw | i'm pretty sure | May 16 18:25 |
| mvkfopw | that hardware is supported | May 16 18:25 |
| broadcom wireles is nasty. | May 16 18:26 | |
| *silentivm (n=renan@189.58.200.78) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 18:26 | |
| there are other issues. I'm not sure about the thing you just posted. | May 16 18:26 | |
| *choirboy (n=tcameron@rrcs-24-173-79-19.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 18:26 | |
| mvkfopw | i'm not even interested in wifi | May 16 18:26 |
| really? | May 16 18:27 | |
| choirboy | hey - what's the deal with boycotnovell.com being down? | May 16 18:27 |
| mvkfopw | fo sure | May 16 18:27 |
| choirboy | how much bandwidth do they use? | May 16 18:27 |
| mvkfopw | i pay fo my inet 640/704 | May 16 18:27 |
| I've got a wire now, but it's only because I have not set up a reasonable network here. | May 16 18:27 | |
| mvkfopw | and i can safely use it at my workplace | May 16 18:27 |
| mvkfopw | it's about 30-35$/month here | May 16 18:28 |
| well then, you especially want to avoid wifi that does not work. If it's nasty enough it can harm performance for the whole system. | May 16 18:29 | |
| mvkfopw | at workplace it's none of my concern as long as it's city-wise internet | May 16 18:29 |
| bogus interupts and that kind of thing. | May 16 18:29 | |
| mvkfopw | nope | May 16 18:29 |
| mvkfopw | i don't kare for wifi | May 16 18:29 |
| mvkfopw | there are free wifi here | May 16 18:29 |
| mvkfopw | in the local university | May 16 18:29 |
| OK | May 16 18:29 | |
| mvkfopw | i can sit down there for as long as i want | May 16 18:29 |
| mvkfopw | i graduated that one actually | May 16 18:30 |
| mvkfopw | and can teach in there | May 16 18:30 |
| mvkfopw | if i want of course | May 16 18:30 |
| *mvkfopw is now known as _boo_ | May 16 18:32 | |
| schestowitz | choirboy: over 200gb last month | May 16 18:33 |
| choirboy | wowsers | May 16 18:33 |
| schestowitz | But we keep growing and the host took us down | May 16 18:34 |
| _boo_ | wow there's that laptop in nearest town | May 16 18:34 |
| schestowitz | We have a new home | May 16 18:34 |
| choirboy | yeah, I gathered. :-( | May 16 18:34 |
| choirboy | ah cool! | May 16 18:34 |
| schestowitz | But still migrating. Waiting for tessier to wake up | May 16 18:34 |
| _boo_ | wtf, i gotta buy it | May 16 18:34 |
| choirboy | well glad you have a new place | May 16 18:34 |
| _boo_ | even though it's vista | May 16 18:34 |
| choirboy | 200GB is pretty impressive | May 16 18:34 |
| choirboy | y'all do some good work | May 16 18:34 |
| _boo_ | 'cause they don't sell anything good near 40% of that price | May 16 18:34 |
| _boo_ | and i'm pretty sure that i will have a dual boot in there | May 16 18:35 |
| wow, free software accomplishment http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/16/1316242 | May 16 18:35 | |
| hadoop sorts 1TB in 16 seconds | May 16 18:36 | |
| _boo_ | yahoo grid computing team? | May 16 18:36 |
| _boo_ | graysort contest XD | May 16 18:36 |
| choirboy | They sorted 1TB in 62 seconds, and 1PB in 16.25 hours. | May 16 18:36 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 16 18:37 |
| _boo_ | petabytes? | May 16 18:37 |
| *choirboy nods | May 16 18:37 | |
| _boo_ | kewl | May 16 18:37 |
| _boo_ | i can't interfere with them | May 16 18:37 |
| choirboy | amazing actually | May 16 18:37 |
| _boo_ | i just don't have petabyte storage | May 16 18:37 |
| _boo_ | but i do know every sane sort there | May 16 18:38 |
| _boo_ | even if it's combined | May 16 18:38 |
| ugh, idiots sue google over adwords and Slashdot gives favorable coverage. | May 16 18:38 | |
| _boo_ | combined are almost all in-place | May 16 18:38 |
| _boo_ | if people knew what it takes them... they may be used another sorts | May 16 18:39 |
| _boo_ | that's always like that | May 16 18:39 |
| _boo_ | May 16 18:40 | |
| _boo_ | why idiots? | May 16 18:40 |
| _boo_ | they gotta point out that their laws are interferred | May 16 18:41 |
| _boo_ | so wtf | May 16 18:41 |
| _boo_ | google gotta comply with it | May 16 18:41 |
| it's bullshit | May 16 18:41 | |
| _boo_ | if it still wanna stay in that country | May 16 18:41 |
| _boo_ | YUP! | May 16 18:41 |
| _boo_ | it's BULLSHIT! | May 16 18:42 |
| _boo_ | but people gotta point that out | May 16 18:42 |
| _boo_ | so this BULLSHIT means less | May 16 18:42 |
| the adwords do not interfere with Google's core function and are themselves subject to algorithms based on relevance. | May 16 18:42 | |
| _boo_ | lol | May 16 18:43 |
| _boo_ | nope | May 16 18:43 |
| it is no different from any other form of advertising, really. | May 16 18:43 | |
| _boo_ | lol | May 16 18:43 |
| _boo_ | nope | May 16 18:43 |
| _boo_ | in both cases | May 16 18:43 |
| so you think M$ advertising showing up on all GNU/Linux sites is some kind of accident? | May 16 18:43 | |
| and you would blame Google? | May 16 18:44 | |
| _boo_ | twitter, why do you always try to attack | May 16 18:44 |
| _boo_ | rather than learn from smth | May 16 18:44 |
| _boo_ | i can explain everything that i know | May 16 18:44 |
| then quit wasting keystrokes and educate | May 16 18:44 | |
| _boo_ | twitter, are you always on speeds? | May 16 18:44 |
| _boo_ | i know you're smart | May 16 18:45 |
| _boo_ | and you know pretty much | May 16 18:45 |
| _boo_ | way too much | May 16 18:45 |
| _boo_ | but i still wonder | May 16 18:45 |
| _boo_ | how you guys don't still understand the basics | May 16 18:45 |
| no, now you make it personal. | May 16 18:45 | |
| _boo_ | XD | May 16 18:45 |
| _boo_ | personall | May 16 18:45 |
| _boo_ | i could as well talk to you only in private | May 16 18:45 |
| no thanks, just justify these silly lawsuits based on what you know or shut up. | May 16 18:46 | |
| _boo_ | and i will personally don't kare | May 16 18:46 |
| _boo_ | or shut up... | May 16 18:46 |
| _boo_ | mkay | May 16 18:46 |
| _boo_ | so what you want me to justify | May 16 18:46 |
| _boo_ | name it | May 16 18:46 |
| Use current trademark laws to keep me from selling advertisement placement based on the rather generic word "Coke" | May 16 18:48 | |
| _boo_ | wtf? | May 16 18:48 |
| _boo_ | 've i been talking about "coke"? | May 16 18:48 |
| _boo_ | my only interest in this channle is only about linux and windows | May 16 18:49 |
| As I understand trademark, it bans the publication of trademarks that may be confusing. There is nothing confusing about what Google does. | May 16 18:49 | |
| _boo_ | and apple a bit | May 16 18:49 |
| _boo_ | dude | May 16 18:49 |
| _boo_ | you gotta take some international law | May 16 18:49 |
| _boo_ | or at least one that's capable of suing anything concerned | May 16 18:49 |
| _boo_ | even though it's south artica | May 16 18:50 |
| (10:52:07 AM) twitter: ugh, idiots sue google over adwords and Slashdot gives favorable coverage. (10:54:23 AM) _boo_: twitter | May 16 18:50 | |
| (10:54:27 AM) _boo_: why idiots? | May 16 18:50 | |
| (10:54:46 AM) _boo_: they gotta point out that their laws are interferred | May 16 18:50 | |
| I think I've wasted enough time on this. | May 16 18:50 | |
| _boo_ | 'cause i'm not even interested in anything that's of law and only of theoretical issue | May 16 18:50 |
| _boo_ | yeah, twitter, you wasted enough time | May 16 18:51 |
| _boo_ | just move on | May 16 18:51 |
| _boo_ | for whatever you're capable of | May 16 18:51 |
| *choirboy (n=tcameron@rrcs-24-173-79-19.sw.biz.rr.com) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 18:52 | |
| How about the name "Free Times"? | May 16 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I didn't get mail | May 16 18:52 |
| _boo_ | so now you want me to comment on "free times" two words | May 16 18:53 |
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 18:53 | |
| _boo_ | mkay | May 16 18:53 |
| _boo_ | i will search them out | May 16 18:53 |
| _boo_ | and i will surelly tell in public here | May 16 18:53 |
| _boo_ | what it means and what it's worth | May 16 18:53 |
| I was asking Roy, but your input will be entertaining boo. | May 16 18:54 | |
| dsmith_ | server down?\ | May 16 18:54 |
| still | May 16 18:54 | |
| _boo_ | but don't be wondered if i ask you for directions | May 16 18:54 |
| :) | May 16 18:55 | |
| _boo_ | 'cause i believe ther are plenty of "free times" | May 16 18:55 |
| schestowitz | dsmith_: maybe back tonight | May 16 18:55 |
| schestowitz | New server needs setting up, then DNS | May 16 18:55 |
| _boo_ | so is it columbia, cleveland, or just freetimes.com | May 16 18:55 |
| _boo_ | chattanooga? | May 16 18:56 |
| _boo_ | caf? | May 16 18:56 |
| _boo_ | e | May 16 18:56 |
| _boo_ | don't be shy | May 16 18:56 |
| _boo_ | 2 words are quite enough to build an answer with | May 16 18:56 |
| _boo_ | there are much more | May 16 18:56 |
| _boo_ | just say more | May 16 18:57 |
| _boo_ | "more" | May 16 18:57 |
| _boo_ | and none of "free times" are talking linux directly | May 16 18:58 |
| _boo_ | so, twitter? | May 16 18:58 |
| Right so there's no GNU/Linux "free times" right now. | May 16 18:59 | |
| _boo_ | lol | May 16 18:59 |
| _boo_ | it's just lol | May 16 18:59 |
| "Free Software Times" might be better. | May 16 18:59 | |
| *zer0c00l has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 19:00 | |
| Better than Boycott Novell | May 16 19:00 | |
| _boo_ | dude, you better gave a direct link | May 16 19:00 |
| _boo_ | 'cause even "Free Software Times" is not quite enough | May 16 19:00 |
| _boo_ | and there's none pages answering only to dat | May 16 19:01 |
| _boo_ | you're kinda out of the board | May 16 19:01 |
| Oh, sorry boo, I was asking Roy for his opinion of a name change. You not finding anything is good news. | May 16 19:01 | |
| thanks for looking. | May 16 19:01 | |
| _boo_ | and don't even get what the talk is about | May 16 19:01 |
| _boo_ | twitter, he already told | May 16 19:02 |
| _boo_ | he got some very cool response from opensuse community | May 16 19:02 |
| Balrog_ | hi twitter | May 16 19:02 |
| _boo_ | that effed his brains | May 16 19:02 |
| _boo_ | so he asked hioam | May 16 19:02 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, the trolls on slashdot are annoying ... they blame you for a lot of things | May 16 19:02 |
| Balrog_ | :/ | May 16 19:02 |
| _boo_ | whether he should rename | May 16 19:02 |
| _boo_ | and he didn't ask you, twitter | May 16 19:03 |
| Yes, the trolls blame their victims. Say Slashdot sucks, that kind of thing. | May 16 19:03 | |
| That's what they do. Right boo? | May 16 19:03 | |
| *Balrog (n=Balrog@pool-173-59-71-187.phlapa.east.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 19:04 | |
| _boo_ | but you could just as well ask me what was it all about | May 16 19:04 |
| Balrog_ | twitter: you've seen 'sockdisclosure' right? | May 16 19:04 |
| _boo_ | idk, twitter | May 16 19:04 |
| Yes | May 16 19:04 | |
| _boo_ | you seem to be attacked by trolls | May 16 19:04 |
| anyone who talks about free software is attacked | May 16 19:04 | |
| _boo_ | on twitter or /. or whatever | May 16 19:04 |
| _boo_ | dude | May 16 19:04 |
| _boo_ | i'm using free software | May 16 19:05 |
| Balrog_ | they attempt to make you look like a troll | May 16 19:05 |
| _boo_ | and never bough anything m$ | May 16 19:05 |
| _boo_ | Balrog_, i personally don't care anymore | May 16 19:05 |
| Yes, that's what they do. It does not work very well. | May 16 19:05 | |
| _boo_ | even if i get banned | May 16 19:05 |
| So, boo, what do you think of the name "Free Software Times" other than "Roy did not ask you, twitter"? | May 16 19:06 | |
| schestowitz | Hitcham is against a name change | May 16 19:06 |
| schestowitz | There are technical issues with that | May 16 19:06 |
| _boo_ | twitter, didn't u use smth mind-altering? | May 16 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Not just a sort of site rebranding so to speak, which would take a lot of work | May 16 19:07 |
| Balrog_ | I mean, how do they say things like "This person currently has sixteen known accounts on Slashdot" ? | May 16 19:07 |
| They know because they monitor my net use through my ISP. | May 16 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | Obama lies again and defends Bush in a way. http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/39587prs20090513.html Obama Administration Reverses Promise To Release Torture Photos | May 16 19:07 |
| _boo_ | mkay | May 16 19:07 |
| I think that's more damaging than my trying to avoid their cenosrship. | May 16 19:07 | |
| _boo_ | the funny thing is | May 16 19:08 |
| _boo_ | that schestowitz being pretty ope | May 16 19:08 |
| _boo_ | n | May 16 19:08 |
| _boo_ | is not a schizophrenic | May 16 19:08 |
| _boo_ | and you are, twitter | May 16 19:08 |
| I'm not sure site rebranding is a bad idea, you have kicked the idea around for a few years. | May 16 19:08 | |
| Balrog_ | and how do they lay out all those 'troll' accounts? | May 16 19:08 |
| I'm not sure what you mean Barlog? | May 16 19:09 | |
| they have lots and lots of troll accounts | May 16 19:09 | |
| _boo_ | twitter, what's the matter of site rebranding? | May 16 19:09 |
| Balrog_ | they give a list of names of accounts that are similar to other people, then say it's you | May 16 19:09 |
| they have purchased them from legitimate owners, cracked others and simply created them with botnets. | May 16 19:10 | |
| Yes, they play all sort of name games | May 16 19:10 | |
| Balrog_ | the similar ones or the original ones? | May 16 19:10 |
| like neo-nazi trolls with names similar to twitter. | May 16 19:10 | |
| fake bruce perens accounts | May 16 19:10 | |
| Roy was talking about that kind of thing earlier too. | May 16 19:11 | |
| Their journal of sock disclosure is sort of a parody of my troll zoo. | May 16 19:11 | |
| Balrog_ | hm.. | May 16 19:11 |
| http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737 | May 16 19:12 | |
| They really, really hate me. | May 16 19:12 | |
| just like they hate Slashdot itself. | May 16 19:12 | |
| one thing they have blamed me for is Vista's failure. that's funny | May 16 19:12 | |
| I'd like to take credit but I know Vista would have failed with or without my help. | May 16 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna stop commenting in public | May 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Outside sides where I use PGP | May 16 19:13 |
| wow | May 16 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | Someone advised this to me at the gym | May 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | There are vandals | May 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | They insult friends of mine | May 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Under my own name | May 16 19:13 |
| Balrog_ | I see. :( | May 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | And I only know about the cases where they TELL me | May 16 19:13 |
| true | May 16 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | I think it also happened in USENET last week | May 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Also this morning | May 16 19:14 |
| It won't stop the vandals | May 16 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | Character assassination by impoirsonation | May 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | It's funnt that Kanye West was shouing at Twitter the other day | May 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Some phony who hijacked him name has over 1 million subscribers in Twitter | May 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | They think it's Kanye | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | And he mocks him | May 16 19:15 |
| but the goal of their assassination is to get you to shut up. | May 16 19:15 | |
| schestowitz | Then there's Fake Steve Jobs and other rubbish | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | twitter: nope | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | To get people to ignore you | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Or resent you | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Byfield too | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | They attacked him | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Under my name | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | No wonder he got mad at me | May 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | PJ just stopped commenting in public cause of that | May 16 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I will do too | May 16 19:16 |
| creating fights between natural allies is part of the Slog. | May 16 19:16 | |
| *dsmith_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 19:16 | |
| I'm not sure Byfield was ever an ally because I'm not sure he believes in software freedom. | May 16 19:16 | |
| So, if you quit commenting in public places and Boycott Novell is shut down, you will be completely silenced. | May 16 19:17 | |
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 19:17 | |
| What sites have reasonable user verification? | May 16 19:17 | |
| schestowitz | Not many | May 16 19:18 |
| Is BN itself protected against the same thing? I don't think so. | May 16 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | The issue is, people can create new accounts | May 16 19:18 |
| *zer0c00l (n=zer0c00l@210.212.255.131) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | So even in sites where I am registered there's no verification | May 16 19:18 |
| right | May 16 19:18 | |
| new accounts with the same name | May 16 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Ot 0s for 1s | May 16 19:18 |
| so you have the choice of silence or abuse | May 16 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | Happened in Digg | May 16 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Digg shot down 4 imposters of mine | May 16 19:19 |
| the other option is to bring the abusers to justice | May 16 19:19 | |
| *amd-linux (n=cwolf@dslb-088-067-008-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I stopped commenting there | May 16 19:19 |
| schestowitz | twitter: good luck seeking justice | May 16 19:19 |
| schestowitz | It's the lawyer 'tax system' | May 16 19:19 |
| If you give up on justice, you might as well start using windows tomorrow. | May 16 19:19 | |
| The trolls will continue to impersonate you. | May 16 19:20 | |
| The difference will be that your useful voice is no longer heard, which was the trolls intention in the first place | May 16 19:20 | |
| The personal attacks are just part of that effort. The goal is to shut you up. | May 16 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | I will comment in BN | May 16 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Just not in other sites | May 16 19:21 |
| schestowitz | That's what Groklaw decided to do some years ago | May 16 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes see a "PJ" commenting | May 16 19:21 |
| schestowitz | It's never her | May 16 19:21 |
| M$ would like to ruin your personal life but only because of your writing. | May 16 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | I show this to her | May 16 19:21 |
| amd-linux | hello there | May 16 19:22 |
| *_boo_ has quit () | May 16 19:22 | |
| amd-linux | please excuse me if am the 5th to ask | May 16 19:22 |
| Balrog | twitter: http://lists.clickers.org/linuxsig/index.html doesn't work anymore | May 16 19:22 |
| amd-linux | but what happened to BN | May 16 19:22 |
| zer0c00l | "Boycott Novell has Outgrown Surpass Hosting" | May 16 19:22 |
| amd-linux | DDOSed? | May 16 19:22 |
| Balrog | yes, what happened?!? was down yesterday | May 16 19:22 |
| zer0c00l | " | May 16 19:23 |
| zer0c00l | Sorry for the inconvenience, we have to find a bigger server, no ETA yet. You can join the BN community in IRC chat in #boycottnovell on FreeNode. " | May 16 19:23 |
| amd-linux | I tried to comment and boom | May 16 19:23 |
| Balrog | your disk went full? | May 16 19:23 |
| barlog, where do I link to that? | May 16 19:23 | |
| Balrog | on your slashdot.org/~twitter page | May 16 19:23 |
| Balrog | right by 'no email available' | May 16 19:23 |
| ah. | May 16 19:23 | |
| amd-linux | I recommend to host it on Google or Amazon or maybe Akamai | May 16 19:25 |
| amd-linux | if they can not handle BN traffic, nobody can :-) | May 16 19:25 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: we have something | May 16 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I wait for tessier now | May 16 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Been asleep for like 9 hours (??) | May 16 19:28 |
| amd-linux | roy you sure that you did not DDOSed? | May 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I think I was | May 16 19:28 |
| amd-linux | I mean I witnessed live when the site went down | May 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | But the host doesn't seem to care | May 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They want to sell dedicated | May 16 19:28 |
| tessier | schestowitz: morning! | May 16 19:28 |
| amd-linux | and it seams strange that this happened during minutes | May 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Hey!!! | May 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | The man is back! | May 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Phew :-) | May 16 19:28 |
| tessier | We ready to rock and roll? | May 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | YES | May 16 19:28 |
| tessier | Copy finished? | May 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I have the CMS in place | May 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes, all the code it there | May 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | And the DBs | May 16 19:29 |
| tessier | You loaded the dbs? | May 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Shane will pass me the newer DBs later to overwrite | May 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | May 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | You got GUIs for it? | May 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail ~]$ ls *.sql | May 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | wiki.sql wrdp1.sql | May 16 19:29 |
| tessier | Not sure what GUIs would be involved. Let me take a look at what you have.. | May 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I just need to put them two on the system | May 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | boycottn_wiki and boycott_wrdp1 | May 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Then I can connect with my usernames, which I suppose we need to put there too somewhere | May 16 19:31 |
| :) | May 16 19:31 | |
| schestowitz | As soon as it's done and it's just about running, I'll change DNS | May 16 19:31 |
| schestowitz | May take hours to take effect depending on location | May 16 19:32 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | wb, _Hicham_ | May 16 19:32 |
| tessier | I am loading up the data manually | May 16 19:32 |
| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz! | May 16 19:33 |
| schestowitz | excellent | May 16 19:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: The sysadmin of BN is back | May 16 19:33 |
| tessier | Wiki is already loaded, wordpress loading now... | May 16 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | May 16 19:33 |
| tessier | ok, wordpress is done... | May 16 19:33 |
| schestowitz | We need users on the DB, right? | May 16 19:34 |
| schestowitz | PM | May 16 19:34 |
| tessier | I have already created a boycottn user on the db | May 16 19:36 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 16 19:37 |
| schestowitz | I just use the existing accounts | May 16 19:37 |
| tessier | Ok, I set up the db accounts like you pm'd | May 16 19:40 |
| tessier | Now what? | May 16 19:40 |
| schestowitz | What IP to connect to? | May 16 19:41 |
| tessier | I think we need to tell apache about your virtual host. | May 16 19:41 |
| tessier | Do you have an apache config somewhere I can look at? | May 16 19:41 |
| schestowitz | (to test it? public html has the code) | May 16 19:41 |
| schestowitz | maybe in ~/etc? | May 16 19:41 |
| tessier | ok, let me just create a virtualhost in apache pointing at your public_html and see what happens... | May 16 19:41 |
| *_Hicham_1 (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks! | May 16 19:41 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | May 16 19:42 | |
| tessier | ah-hah...now we're getting somewhere. | May 16 19:45 |
| tessier | Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension which is required by WordPress.Connection closed by foreign host. | May 16 19:45 |
| tessier | Let me just find whatever that thing is... | May 16 19:45 |
| tessier | php-mysql.x86_64 must be it... | May 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 16 19:46 |
| _Hicham_1 | what distro are u running on the server? | May 16 19:47 |
| _Hicham_1 | CentOS? | May 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | SUSE :-) | May 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | No, I'm kidding, though that would be ironic. | May 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Boycott Novell... powered by... Novell. | May 16 19:48 |
| _Hicham_1 | hahahahahahahahahhaahhaaahahahaha | May 16 19:48 |
| _Hicham_1 | :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D | May 16 19:48 |
| *_Hicham_1 is now known as _Hicham_ | May 16 19:48 | |
| _Hicham_ | that would be really great | May 16 19:48 |
| _Hicham_ | :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D | May 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Naaa... | May 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | They might send us a 'bad' patch .;-) | May 16 19:49 |
| _Hicham_ | so that you won't compile anymore | May 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | It turns out some Red Hat execs read BB | May 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | *BN | May 16 19:49 |
| or they might selectively break things, censorship | May 16 19:49 | |
| be careful | May 16 19:49 | |
| _Hicham_ | Moonlight have been refused even in rpmfusion | May 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | gnote is in Debian today | May 16 19:50 |
| BN is a great resource, Roy, you should be proud of yourself | May 16 19:50 | |
| _Hicham_ | moonlight in Debian | May 16 19:50 |
| tessier | I hate mysql permissions | May 16 19:51 |
| tessier | I can never get it right the first time... | May 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | No pressure, it's a one time effort this thing :-) | May 16 19:52 |
| tessier | indeed | May 16 19:53 |
| _Hicham_ | thanks tessier for the good work | May 16 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I'm drafting over 20 new posts | May 16 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Very great some of them | May 16 19:54 |
| zer0c00l | M$ wants to ban: memcpy() http://blogs.msdn.com/sdl/archive/2009/05/14/please-join-me-in-welcoming-memcpy-to-the-sdl-rogues-gallery.aspx | May 16 19:56 |
| Balrog | zer0c00l: it was on /. | May 16 19:56 |
| Balrog | they say use memcpy_s | May 16 19:56 |
| Balrog | () | May 16 19:56 |
| zer0c00l | whats the difference between the two? | May 16 19:57 |
| Balrog | memcpy_s requires the size of the destination buffer to be specified | May 16 19:58 |
| zer0c00l | oh ok | May 16 19:58 |
| Balrog | but I don't know if it's standard c | May 16 19:58 |
| *amarsh04__ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-160-44.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 19:59 | |
| *amarsh04_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | May 16 19:59 | |
| _Hicham_ | you can just disable MSVC deprecation warnings with a compiler directive | May 16 20:01 |
| _Hicham_ | or inside the source code | May 16 20:01 |
| tessier | banning memcpy is not a bad idea | May 16 20:01 |
| Balrog | yes, but glibc doesn't have memcpy_s AFAIK | May 16 20:01 |
| _Hicham_ | #pragma warning(disable , ${warning_number)) | May 16 20:01 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I gotta run now. The server we are working on has some schedule maintenance today and I have to meet someone at the datacenter in 45 minutes. Then the server will be up and down for a couple hours. Then I will be back and finish the setup. | May 16 20:01 |
| tessier | All I should need to do is get the db access working and we should be all set. | May 16 20:02 |
| schestowitz | In 2 hours? | May 16 20:02 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 16 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Any IP yet? | May 16 20:02 |
| schestowitz | For DNS | May 16 20:02 |
| schestowitz | The sooner we change it, the better | May 16 20:02 |
| tessier | Yes. 216.105.40.113 | May 16 20:02 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 16 20:02 |
| tessier | Go ahead and put that in and let it begin to propagate | May 16 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | May 16 20:02 |
| tessier | See you in a while | May 16 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Have fun | May 16 20:03 |
| _Hicham_ | can't wordpress fix db access? | May 16 20:03 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's a settings thing | May 16 20:04 |
| _Hicham_ | then login to phpmyadmin and do it | May 16 20:05 |
| schestowitz | The sooner we change DNS, the better.I'm doing it now. It'll hopefully work shortly (with an old DB). | May 16 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Later I'll slide in the latest DB | May 16 20:05 |
| trmanco | it's still suspended | May 16 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 20:06 |
| schestowitz | By designed | May 16 20:06 |
| schestowitz | *design | May 16 20:06 |
| trmanco | hmm, ok | May 16 20:07 |
| zer0c00l | LOL http://saveie6.com/ | May 16 20:20 |
| zer0c00l | who own that site | May 16 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Use betterWHOIS | May 16 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Paste the results | May 16 20:20 |
| schestowitz | There's another one I'm gonna write about in BN | May 16 20:21 |
| schestowitz | MS has shills it hires to create fake grassroots sites (AstroTurf) | May 16 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Like ReleaseWindows7Now | May 16 20:21 |
| schestowitz | And all sorts of pro-sw patents sites | May 16 20:21 |
| Balrog | zer0c00l: "SaveIE6.com was put together as an April Fool’s joke by the uptime monitoring service Pingdom." | May 16 20:21 |
| zer0c00l | " SaveIE6.com was put together as an April Fool’s joke by the uptime monitoring service Pingdom. Due to the tremendous interest it has received we have decided to keep this site up and running. Thanks everyone for the great feedback and for enjoying the irony!" | May 16 20:22 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | May 16 20:22 |
| zer0c00l | lol | May 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | To change DNS we need to configure apache first... | May 16 20:24 |
| schestowitz | > godaddy says invalid tld - does this ip resolve to any name? when it's going, should i point boycottlinspire and boycottxandros to the same dns server? | May 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | I think this should be possible, yes? We still configures it.. done by midnight hopefully. | May 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Also, if possible, we need the latest DBs off the old server. I have old copies (4 days ago) loaded up. Need to overwrite them ASAP. | May 16 20:26 |
| _Hicham_ | do u plan to begin boycottlinspire and boycottxandros? | May 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Nope | May 16 20:27 |
| schestowitz | They redirect | May 16 20:27 |
| trmanco | lol | May 16 20:28 |
| *_boo_ (n=hg@eth-188.243-homell.natm.ru) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 20:28 | |
| _boo_ | lol | May 16 20:32 |
| _boo_ | people do homework if it's about programming | May 16 20:32 |
| _boo_ | and i can solve anything with c++ | May 16 20:32 |
| amd-linux | anything? | May 16 20:33 |
| _boo_ | like you won't find a problem that can't be solved with c++ for meh | May 16 20:33 |
| amd-linux | please make that I have a million now with C++ | May 16 20:33 |
| amd-linux | Euro, pls | May 16 20:33 |
| _boo_ | is c++ capable of it? | May 16 20:33 |
| _boo_ | u just take c++ standard into account | May 16 20:34 |
| amd-linux | ARE YOU capable of it ? C++ is.... :-) | May 16 20:34 |
| _boo_ | and don't take any platform | May 16 20:34 |
| _boo_ | into consideration | May 16 20:34 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-99-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 20:34 | |
| _boo_ | so? | May 16 20:34 |
| _boo_ | no platforms | May 16 20:34 |
| _boo_ | just c++ | May 16 20:34 |
| _boo_ | your problem? | May 16 20:34 |
| _boo_ | amd-linux, i can find a way for you to get 1m$ | May 16 20:35 |
| _boo_ | but as long as you didn't define it legal | May 16 20:36 |
| _boo_ | ... | May 16 20:36 |
| *schestowitz passing DNS now... | May 16 20:36 | |
| _boo_ | really | May 16 20:39 |
| amd-linux | YEss yes yes please how? ;-) | May 16 20:40 |
| amd-linux | but pls - in C++ :-) | May 16 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I hate godaddy, but no choice | May 16 20:43 |
| amd-linux | so you now got a dedicated system? | May 16 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Progress: | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: sort of | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Dedicated support :-) | May 16 20:45 |
| amd-linux | lol :-) | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | === | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > i'm still waiting on surpass to unsuspend the account, my reseller creds | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > won't do it. i've left 3 unanswered updates to the ticket on their | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > helpdesk. | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Good. At least you pressure them :-) | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | May 16 20:45 | |
| schestowitz | If only you get hold of backups, I'll pass you the SSH details so that you can drop the files there for loading. | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > after you've got everything copied, I'm dumping these people, then will | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > get a new host and re-invent the whole lot of my sites that have | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > whithered away due to lack of maintenance. | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > I'd like to flip these domains over to your control, do you have a | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > godaddy account? registrar to registrar is a pain, pushing at godaddy | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > is easy... | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll create an account. | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Done. | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | * User Name: Roy Schestowitz | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | * Customer Number: 28125463 | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Username: schestowitz | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | === | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | They want to pressure us to buy dedicated | May 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | We leave | May 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | They make flase promoses | May 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Fed up with them | May 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | They promise up to 500gb/month, but half of this is "too much" | May 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | We only use like 30% of the disk quote too | May 16 20:46 |
| amd-linux | did you check European offers? I think for less than 100 Euros / month | May 16 20:48 |
| amd-linux | you can laready get unlimited bandwith and root server | May 16 20:48 |
| *amarsh04__ is now known as amarsh04 | May 16 20:48 | |
| amd-linux | ok, not really unlimited as the cut down 100 Mbit to 10 MBit after a gfew TByte | May 16 20:48 |
| amd-linux | usually | May 16 20:49 |
| amd-linux | this i.e looks interesting: http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix/ | May 16 20:50 |
| amd-linux | and they are no reseller | May 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: I was gonna do it with my host | May 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | But a fellow BNer offered his good server | May 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | co-location | May 16 20:51 |
| schestowitz | On my host I run http://othellomaster.com/ http://iuron.com/ and http://schestowitz.com/ | May 16 20:51 |
| amd-linux | ok then, I just wanted to sell an AMD server ;-) | May 16 20:51 |
| amd-linux | kidding... | May 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | You're affiliated? | May 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | They should make a new label | May 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Like "Intel inside" | May 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | But opposite | May 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Something like | May 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | "Intel safe" | May 16 20:53 |
| amd-linux | no, of course not, except that I ahm prefer AMD technology ;-) | May 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | As in "Dolphin safe" | May 16 20:53 |
| *schestowitz on an AMD box (dual) | May 16 20:53 | |
| amd-linux | good! | May 16 20:53 |
| amd-linux | ok gotta go hope to see BN up and running tomorrow... good luck! | May 16 20:54 |
| *amd-linux (n=cwolf@dslb-088-067-008-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #boycottnovell | May 16 20:54 | |
| MinceR | and amd should let the kernel devs include a full-featured driver for their gpu-s in the kernel | May 16 20:55 |
| *DaemonFC (n=DaemonFC@c-67-173-86-85.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 21:01 | |
| _boo_ | omg... it's os easy to get banned in c++ | May 16 21:05 |
| _boo_ | ##C++ | May 16 21:05 |
| *magentar (n=magentar@94.79.154.7) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 21:05 | |
| _boo_ | it's quite enough to ask anything relatied | May 16 21:05 |
| _boo_ | related | May 16 21:05 |
| _boo_ | and insist on answering while getting rid of stupid answers | May 16 21:06 |
| _boo_ | c++ is just a trash channel | May 16 21:07 |
| *Omar871 (n=omar@94.249.28.8) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 21:12 | |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: What's the hosting website on which you're running BN? | May 16 21:13 |
| Balrog | Omar871: BN should be back up within a day or two | May 16 21:14 |
| Balrog | hopefully tomorrow | May 16 21:14 |
| Omar871 | hopefully, but I was just curious> | May 16 21:14 |
| Omar871 | . | May 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: it's dimeHost | May 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | We're dumping them | May 16 21:19 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Exactly, they seem very bad. | May 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The BN community will seize full control of hosting | May 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: it's like I'm afraid to make Slashdot with them | May 16 21:21 |
| Omar871 | Why not going for Dreamhost? | May 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Spending outs setting up CDNs and stuff. | May 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: never mind, we made a choice already | May 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Waiting for tessier to get back | May 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | They have just taken their server/s down | May 16 21:21 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Great. | May 16 21:21 |
| Balrog | what's the new host? | May 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | San Diego | May 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Private | May 16 21:22 |
| Balrog | ahh cool. | May 16 21:22 |
| Balrog | more expensive? | May 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | We have the admin here in IRC even | May 16 21:22 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: That's great. | May 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I'll pass him all the ad revenue | May 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Which is meager anyway | May 16 21:22 |
| Balrog | ok :) | May 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | I have Adsense | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | They can't allow you to block MS ads | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Even in MS-criticial sites | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | You just can't block it | May 16 21:23 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: explain | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | It's context-based and they have many distrib' partner | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | *ners | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | We will have a new ad thing | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | New company | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | FS only | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Endorsed by the FSF | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | FOSS ads for FOSS sites | May 16 21:23 |
| schestowitz | LWN uses them, I think | May 16 21:24 |
| schestowitz | So far I think that ads covered Shane's hosting bills | May 16 21:24 |
| schestowitz | So we're at the point of sustainability only for equipment, not people | May 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Can't you just frame them with a thing | May 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | says "Don't click this!!!!" | May 16 21:25 |
| *tessier has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 21:26 | |
| *dsmith_ has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) | May 16 21:27 | |
| *silentivm has quit ("*** [make] Error 2") | May 16 21:28 | |
| _boo_ | lol, it's so easy to get banned in a channel | May 16 21:30 |
| _boo_ | you just gotta tell anything that's true XD | May 16 21:30 |
| _boo_ | anything true is not tolerated nowadays | May 16 21:31 |
| _boo_ | even though people care about anything else tolerance | May 16 21:31 |
| _boo_ | once you said anything true... you're banned XD | May 16 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Which channel? | May 16 21:33 |
| *silentivm (n=renan@189.58.199.250.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 21:34 | |
| _boo_ | #c++ again XD | May 16 21:34 |
| _boo_ | and i tried to discuss that in ##windows, so i got banned as well | May 16 21:34 |
| _boo_ | even though there was no talking at all | May 16 21:35 |
| Balrog | _boo_: what did you try to discuss? | May 16 21:35 |
| _boo_ | the last one thing that i tried to discuss is "what is foo" | May 16 21:35 |
| _boo_ | what foo means | May 16 21:35 |
| _boo_ | i got banned for dat | May 16 21:35 |
| _boo_ | 'cause i was not able to find any sane answer on what's foo | May 16 21:36 |
| _boo_ | and i like sanity | May 16 21:36 |
| _boo_ | when it comes to programming | May 16 21:36 |
| _boo_ | i don't like sanity with drugs or anything related | May 16 21:36 |
| trmanco | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/foo?r=75 _boo_ | May 16 21:37 |
| _boo_ | but programming, physics and math are worth sanity | May 16 21:37 |
| _boo_ | dude, i read already | May 16 21:37 |
| Balrog | _boo_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo | May 16 21:37 |
| Balrog | has a bit of info | May 16 21:37 |
| _boo_ | foo is kinda placeholder | May 16 21:37 |
| Balrog | "Foo is a metasyntactic variable used heavily in computer science to represent concepts abstractly and can be used to represent any part of a complicated system or idea including the data, variables, functions, and commands. Foo is commonly used with the metasyntactic variables bar and foobar." | May 16 21:37 |
| _boo_ | yup | May 16 21:38 |
| _boo_ | once i've been told that "foo" is a placeholder | May 16 21:38 |
| _boo_ | i got banned | May 16 21:38 |
| _boo_ | ##c++ is harsh reality | May 16 21:39 |
| _boo_ | no, rather imaginationland | May 16 21:39 |
| _boo_ | in either case... you won't learn c++ from ##c++ | May 16 21:40 |
| _boo_ | too many dumb people in there | May 16 21:40 |
| _boo_ | including ops | May 16 21:40 |
| _boo_ | so i better go different way | May 16 21:40 |
| _boo_ | even though i know oop | May 16 21:41 |
| _boo_ | and understand it quite alright | May 16 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Weird | May 16 21:51 |
| *tacone (n=irchon@151.82.39.154) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | I'm pretty sure Wikipedia used to say Ballmer (Steve) is the son of a swiss banker. Was his father a banker at all? | May 16 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just slander in Wikipedia? | May 16 21:52 |
| tacone | roy: strip the wiki and enable again the blog | May 16 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has been self-editing Wikipedia | May 16 21:54 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: what names? | May 16 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | they removed the criticism section for Silverlight | May 16 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | I forget, I fixed it last week | May 16 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | probably been reverted | May 16 21:55 |
| Balrog | it's there | May 16 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I would be listed as an IP address | May 16 21:55 |
| Balrog | there are enough references to have it kept | May 16 21:55 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it's not about the Wiki | May 16 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_Silverlight&diff=290047976&oldid=289495073 | May 16 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | they changed it | May 16 21:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they edity with agencies | May 16 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | used to be called Criticism | May 16 21:56 |
| schestowitz | They also bribe experts | May 16 21:56 |
| schestowitz | There are confessions | May 16 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | but I didn't feel like going back that far | May 16 21:56 |
| schestowitz | And we caught W-E | May 16 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | so I changed the name | May 16 21:56 |
| Balrog | heh "Relationship to existing Web standards" | May 16 21:56 |
| tacone | about what ? | May 16 21:56 |
| *amarsh04_ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-185-218.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 21:57 | |
| Balrog | but that IP also added '*[http://www.favbrowser.com/opera-passes-acid3-test-first-unofficially/ Opera Passes Acid3 Test First (Unofficially)]' to the acid3 page | May 16 21:57 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: you could try viewing the history of the wikipedia article | May 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Mcirosoft has no Encarta anymor | May 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | So they have morw time and reason to vandalise Wikipedia | May 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I know. No time.. | May 16 21:58 |
| *tacone has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_Silverlight&oldid=191425499#Criticism | May 16 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | take that one for example | May 16 22:00 |
| *tacone (n=irchon@151.82.39.154) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 22:01 | |
| tacone | i missed the last msg | May 16 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Mine? | May 16 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Silverlight#Criticism_and_legal_action | May 16 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 16 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | put it back in | May 16 22:02 |
| tacone | one msg directed to me I guess | May 16 22:03 |
| *tacone has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 22:05 | |
| *mib_2liaum (i=183cbc5f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d66787b278c79e4) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 22:05 | |
| *tacone (n=irchon@151.82.39.154) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 22:06 | |
| *tacone has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 16 22:07 | |
| *amarsh04 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 22:10 | |
| _boo_ | mkay, so now i'm banned from #defocus XD | May 16 22:25 |
| _boo_ | you only gotta be who you are | May 16 22:25 |
| _boo_ | and it's enough to ban ya | May 16 22:26 |
| _boo_ | i personally don't care of dat | May 16 22:26 |
| _boo_ | 'cause i can join | May 16 22:26 |
| *ziggyfish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 22:26 | |
| _boo_ | but it pretty much shows how moronic ops in freenode are | May 16 22:27 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, any idea as to when the site will be back up | May 16 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Annoying host | May 16 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Latest: "I understand that Shane is the one with credentials for this account, but could you please unsuspended just cpanel so that I can pull backups from the server? This is very, very crucial. It feels like a hostage situation." | May 16 22:27 |
| schestowitz | We just need to latest snapshot | May 16 22:27 |
| schestowitz | The new server will be running soon, then DNS wap | May 16 22:28 |
| schestowitz | But I can't publish new post unless we load the very latest DB | May 16 22:28 |
| ziggyfish | oh, ok, cool | May 16 22:29 |
| ziggyfish | didn't this happen the last time? | May 16 22:29 |
| schestowitz | When? | May 16 22:31 |
| ziggyfish | can't remember could of been last year when you had all that trouble the server | May 16 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Last year? I think not. | May 16 22:35 |
| schestowitz | We had other types of issues | May 16 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I was reading a thing this morning | May 16 22:36 |
| ziggyfish | oh, ok | May 16 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | said that Microsoft was serving up spyware through Windows Live Messenger ads | May 16 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | last year | May 16 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | by accident | May 16 22:36 |
| _boo_ | omg... that's weak | May 16 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=38176 | May 16 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 16 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I remember | May 16 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | err 2007 I guess | May 16 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | well what shocked me was Microsoft's response "Make sure Windows Defender is running" | May 16 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Defender is ON by default in Vista | May 16 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | it missed it | May 16 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 16 22:40 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 16 22:40 |
| _boo_ | you better investigate what chrome and safari are doint with hdds | May 16 22:41 |
| _boo_ | all of them actually | May 16 22:41 |
| _boo_ | MUUUUUUUUUCH MORET DIFFERENT | May 16 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | proof? | May 16 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I like Chrome | May 16 22:42 |
| _boo_ | you better get proof | May 16 22:42 |
| _boo_ | 'cause it it does traverse hdds | May 16 22:42 |
| _boo_ | like safari | May 16 22:42 |
| schestowitz | "still no message from surpass..." | May 16 22:42 |
| schestowitz | It's almost as though they ignore us | May 16 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Hostage with data | May 16 22:43 |
| _boo_ | who, schestowitz? | May 16 22:43 |
| schestowitz | The host | May 16 22:43 |
| schestowitz | We're dumping them | May 16 22:43 |
| _boo_ | the host... | May 16 22:43 |
| schestowitz | But we need access to the data | May 16 22:43 |
| _boo_ | and i told ya... you better don't run into me... | May 16 22:43 |
| _boo_ | and i'm not anywhere physically related to that | May 16 22:44 |
| _boo_ | i didn't enforce anything but you're getting troubles | May 16 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | according to my hard disk I/O monitor | May 16 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome is not doing anything weird | May 16 22:45 |
| _boo_ | oh yeah | May 16 22:45 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC, they already sent everyhing needed | May 16 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | sent what? | May 16 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | where is your proof? | May 16 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | How do I replicate the behavior? | May 16 22:46 |
| _boo_ | dud | May 16 22:46 |
| _boo_ | ee | May 16 22:46 |
| _boo_ | replicate the behaviour? | May 16 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome and Safari are both an order of magnitude better than Firefox | May 16 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | in overall rendering performance | May 16 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | and Firefox blows IE 8 out of the water | May 16 22:47 |
| _boo_ | they are not better | May 16 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | I've already establighed the pecking order of web browser performance | May 16 22:47 |
| _boo_ | i just installed safari | May 16 22:47 |
| _boo_ | yeah, i benchmarked it | May 16 22:47 |
| _boo_ | it's better with 25% | May 16 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/ | May 16 22:47 |
| _boo_ | than ff | May 16 22:47 |
| _boo_ | but | May 16 22:47 |
| _boo_ | still there a problem | May 16 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox really isn't all that great | May 16 22:48 |
| _boo_ | it hangs computer | May 16 22:48 |
| _boo_ | no matter which | May 16 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | what will be interesting is when better browsers are made out of Chromium source code | May 16 22:48 |
| _boo_ | 'cause it wants to use all of it's hdd bandwidhth | May 16 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is much much harder on system resources than Chrome | May 16 22:49 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC | May 16 22:49 |
| _boo_ | you don't get 1 thing | May 16 22:49 |
| _boo_ | chrome and safari are trying to build up a speculative browsing | May 16 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | not even counting extensions or it's own system resource leaks | May 16 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | open the same 10 tabs in both of them side by side | May 16 22:49 |
| _boo_ | (in the best case) | May 16 22:49 |
| _boo_ | but with performing that they are still hanging the system | May 16 22:50 |
| _boo_ | almost hagning | May 16 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 16 22:50 |
| _boo_ | at least if 1 of your hdds is udma | May 16 22:50 |
| _boo_ | ide hdd | May 16 22:50 |
| Balrog | _boo_: I sometimes have 40 tabs | May 16 22:51 |
| _boo_ | it doesn't matter | May 16 22:51 |
| Balrog | and the system doesn't hang | May 16 22:51 |
| _boo_ | i'm pretty sure that even 100 tabs won't matter a thing | May 16 22:51 |
| _boo_ | 200 for meh | May 16 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | 51 megs with three tabs open is not bad | May 16 22:51 |
| _boo_ | it's e8500 @3.8ghz | May 16 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox usees more than that before it has loaded anything | May 16 22:51 |
| _boo_ | BUT | May 16 22:51 |
| _boo_ | chrome and SAFARI are putting it down | May 16 22:52 |
| _boo_ | due to IDE HDD | May 16 22:52 |
| _boo_ | and i removed em | May 16 22:52 |
| _boo_ | both | May 16 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | why the hell does the type of disk matter? | May 16 22:52 |
| *amarsh04__ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-82-176.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 22:52 | |
| DaemonFC | Chrome doesn't even have direct access to the disk | May 16 22:53 |
| _boo_ | 'cause of bus bandwidth? | May 16 22:53 |
| Balrog | then use UDMA | May 16 22:53 |
| _boo_ | i use | May 16 22:53 |
| _boo_ | and? | May 16 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | and the bus bandwidth of IDE is still more than the platter is capable of sending over it | May 16 22:53 |
| Balrog | works well for me | May 16 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | so it's not really going to help you a lot | May 16 22:53 |
| *goldenmile (n=goldenmi@ppp118-208-253-157.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 22:53 | |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC, it HANGED | May 16 22:53 |
| Balrog | _boo_: what size hard drives do you have? | May 16 22:53 |
| Balrog | old, small drives are SLOW | May 16 22:53 |
| _boo_ | my primary is 160gb ide hdd | May 16 22:54 |
| _boo_ | and others are 2x200 gb sata | May 16 22:54 |
| Balrog | should be ok | May 16 22:54 |
| _boo_ | +500gb sata | May 16 22:54 |
| _boo_ | mkay? | May 16 22:54 |
| _boo_ | no! safari hangs | May 16 22:54 |
| _boo_ | and chrome as well | May 16 22:54 |
| _boo_ | but what do they do with it | May 16 22:55 |
| Balrog | then something is messed up with your system | May 16 22:55 |
| Balrog | maybe flash | May 16 22:55 |
| _boo_ | no | May 16 22:55 |
| _boo_ | flash is 10 | May 16 22:55 |
| _boo_ | dude | May 16 22:55 |
| _boo_ | you gotta understand | May 16 22:55 |
| *amarsh04_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | May 16 22:55 | |
| _boo_ | that once corporation like that wan't info | May 16 22:55 |
| _boo_ | it gets it | May 16 22:55 |
| _boo_ | wants* | May 16 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | oh please | May 16 22:56 |
| _boo_ | yup | May 16 22:56 |
| _boo_ | dude | May 16 22:56 |
| _boo_ | did you every google for dat? | May 16 22:56 |
| _boo_ | apple didn't put an answer | May 16 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | you don't think they'd cause a scandal if they just started taking whatever they want? | May 16 22:56 |
| _boo_ | NONE AT ALL | May 16 22:56 |
| MinceR | gn | May 16 22:56 |
| schestowitz | nn | May 16 22:56 |
| schestowitz | The host is being a bastarcd | May 16 22:56 |
| _boo_ | dude | May 16 22:56 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC | May 16 22:56 |
| *tacone (i=9752279a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-adb5ec90677957d0) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 22:57 | |
| _boo_ | even ff was going to capture smth irrelevant | May 16 22:57 |
| _boo_ | of it's needs | May 16 22:57 |
| _boo_ | and they put a lame xcuse on that | May 16 22:57 |
| Balrog | answer to what? | May 16 22:57 |
| _boo_ | to why they traverse the hdds? | May 16 22:57 |
| Balrog | when do they do that? | May 16 22:57 |
| _boo_ | because a guy traced what ff was doing | May 16 22:58 |
| tacone | so, schestowitz, what's the problem with the website ? | May 16 22:58 |
| _boo_ | especially user data | May 16 22:58 |
| _boo_ | they put a lame excuse and everythin since that time stopped | May 16 22:58 |
| _boo_ | for chrome... noone even asked | May 16 22:59 |
| _boo_ | and i don't even wanna be a beta tester of it | May 16 22:59 |
| _boo_ | chrome just sucks | May 16 22:59 |
| _boo_ | safari is only downloadable | May 16 23:00 |
| _boo_ | not with ff | May 16 23:00 |
| _boo_ | not konq | May 16 23:00 |
| _boo_ | opera, ie | May 16 23:00 |
| Balrog | ???????? | May 16 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | god | May 16 23:00 |
| _boo_ | i donwnloaded safari 4 with opera | May 16 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | AOL has bloated the shit out of Winamp :( | May 16 23:00 |
| _boo_ | only browser was capable of | May 16 23:00 |
| _boo_ | winamp is not even an option | May 16 23:01 |
| _boo_ | i use aimp2 | May 16 23:01 |
| _boo_ | quite enough even for module tracker files | May 16 23:01 |
| _boo_ | and it's quite free | May 16 23:02 |
| _boo_ | and is capable of everything that winamp pro is capable of | May 16 23:02 |
| schestowitz | tacone: host says load is too much | May 16 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't think there was a ddos attack, but who knows? | May 16 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm still working on it | May 16 23:04 |
| schestowitz | PITA | May 16 23:04 |
| tacone | schestowitz: strip the wiki | May 16 23:04 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz, you never know until you have logs | May 16 23:04 |
| tacone | i told you | May 16 23:04 |
| tacone | wordpress has cache | May 16 23:05 |
| tacone | much harder to ddoss | May 16 23:05 |
| _boo_ | ... | May 16 23:05 |
| _boo_ | tacone, you just don't get what's attack | May 16 23:05 |
| tacone | schestowitz: when the wiki fell down, the blog was still visible | May 16 23:05 |
| _boo_ | even with cached everything | May 16 23:05 |
| _boo_ | you can lie down | May 16 23:05 |
| schestowitz | tacone: doesn't matter | May 16 23:05 |
| tacone | _boo_: it's you that don't get. ddos is hard. | May 16 23:05 |
| schestowitz | tacone: blog was working briefly at night | May 16 23:06 |
| _boo_ | oh yeah... ddos is hard | May 16 23:06 |
| tacone | they don't have a bot net | May 16 23:06 |
| tacone | i guess it's just some script kiddie. | May 16 23:06 |
| tacone | it's not easy to ddoss a site made up of static pages | May 16 23:06 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 16 23:06 |
| _boo_ | you don't what even ddos means | May 16 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Here is their report: http://pastebin.com/mc7edac8 | May 16 23:07 |
| tacone | a bit easier to dos a site made of php scripts | May 16 23:07 |
| schestowitz | tacone: have a look | May 16 23:07 |
| tacone | and easy if it uses db | May 16 23:07 |
| schestowitz | See if you can make sense of it | May 16 23:07 |
| tacone | very easy if it uses media wiki :P | May 16 23:07 |
| tacone | ok, looking | May 16 23:07 |
| tacone | can't you see ? | May 16 23:08 |
| tacone | db is the main problem | May 16 23:08 |
| _boo_ | tacone, ther are plenty of ways to ddos | May 16 23:08 |
| tacone | and by they way their attacking the index.php (very heavy since it's media wiki) | May 16 23:08 |
| _boo_ | and db is most likely not a problem | May 16 23:08 |
| tacone | i think restoring the wordpress only is worth a try | May 16 23:08 |
| _boo_ | you're just looking at the weakest link that you think is weakest | May 16 23:09 |
| tacone | sure they may find other ways | May 16 23:09 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 16 23:09 |
| tacone | but i'm not sure they will. | May 16 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9373/83107893.png | May 16 23:09 |
| _boo_ | they most likely found another ways | May 16 23:09 |
| _boo_ | 'cause attack on pages is just effing low | May 16 23:10 |
| tacone | _boo_: they didn't until now. | May 16 23:10 |
| schestowitz | How do you know it's DDOS? | May 16 23:10 |
| tacone | you told that. | May 16 23:10 |
| _boo_ | are comments generated dynamycally? | May 16 23:10 |
| tacone | what's the problem ? load ? then strip the wiki. | May 16 23:11 |
| tacone | wikimedia is heavy | May 16 23:11 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz | May 16 23:11 |
| tacone | _boo_: he has the wp-supercache plugin. almost everything is saved as static pages. | May 16 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 16 23:11 |
| _boo_ | mkay | May 16 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | my Winamp 3 Pro key still works | May 16 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 16 23:11 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it's not so simple | May 16 23:11 |
| schestowitz | The host wants to sell us dedicated now | May 16 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Won't let us in | May 16 23:12 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i've been slashdotted on the article about that gartner report | May 16 23:12 |
| tacone | 8000 visites in a day. someone said my website went down as well :) | May 16 23:12 |
| tacone | even groaklaw linked me, even if in a subsection | May 16 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Groklaw is not that big for links anymore | May 16 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Stagnation | May 16 23:13 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz | May 16 23:13 |
| *DaemonFC misses the real Winamp when Justin Frankel owned Nullsoft | May 16 23:14 | |
| _boo_ | just find what's dynamic in your website | May 16 23:14 |
| tacone | 7084 visits | May 16 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 16 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | that was one great piece of software | May 16 23:14 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: is the host /allowed/ to do that? | May 16 23:14 |
| _boo_ | it's a matter to attack | May 16 23:14 |
| _boo_ | (dynamic) | May 16 23:14 |
| _boo_ | or if site is not too tolerable at connections | May 16 23:15 |
| _boo_ | it could be just dat | May 16 23:15 |
| *amarsh04__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | May 16 23:16 | |
| tacone | schestowitz: is the isp angry at you ? | May 16 23:16 |
| tacone | i guess i'm about to fall | May 16 23:16 |
| _boo_ | tacone, there are plenty of things to exploit | May 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Something iffy in http://www.godaddy.com/ | May 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | So slow sometimes | May 16 23:17 |
| *goldenmile has quit () | May 16 23:17 | |
| schestowitz | Won't work in places with Firefox | May 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying Opera | May 16 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9327/86759537.png | May 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: NO | May 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | That's the thing | May 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | They're ignoring Shane | May 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | And with me they say Shane would need to speak to them | May 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm taking the domains ATM | May 16 23:17 |
| Balrog | that's what I thought. This is Surpass Hosting right? | May 16 23:18 |
| Balrog | and why can't Shane speak to them? | May 16 23:18 |
| schestowitz | He does | May 16 23:18 |
| schestowitz | 3 times | May 16 23:18 |
| schestowitz | 3 requests | May 16 23:18 |
| schestowitz | No replies | May 16 23:18 |
| Balrog | phone? | May 16 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I could try, but no auth | May 16 23:19 |
| Balrog | :( | May 16 23:19 |
| schestowitz | But I'm waiting for tessier | May 16 23:19 |
| Balrog | why was this unplanned? what happened exactly? too much cpu load? | May 16 23:19 |
| schestowitz | We can still put back the site | May 16 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: seems so, yeah. | May 16 23:19 |
| schestowitz | At first I suspected DDOS | May 16 23:20 |
| Balrog | you have to be careful with stuff like that | May 16 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Gadaddy technical issue | May 16 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Gah | May 16 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Just don't use GoDaddy :P | May 16 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | bunch of crooks | May 16 23:21 |
| schestowitz | I know, I know | May 16 23:21 |
| schestowitz | But registrar 2 registrar is cumbersome | May 16 23:21 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: you're using GoDaddy for domain name, right? | May 16 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://vpslink.com/vps-hosting/ | May 16 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Slutty girls in short shirt and pimp Bob Parso | May 16 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | considered them? | May 16 23:21 |
| schestowitz | *son | May 16 23:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: too late | May 16 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | they can host you on whatever OS you like | May 16 23:21 |
| Balrog | meh, I saw 1and1 hosting doing similar ads | May 16 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog: No, I've heard horror stories and seen GoDaddy signing Spyware with a digital certificate | May 16 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | they're pretty sleazy | May 16 23:22 |
| Balrog | wtf? | May 16 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | yep | May 16 23:22 |
| Balrog | that's illegal, I think | May 16 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 16 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | anyone with $200 can get their shit signed | May 16 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | been that way for 10 years or more | May 16 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm acccessing godaddy from two IPs | May 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | no luck | May 16 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Verisign has done it too | May 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Same garbage | May 16 23:23 |
| Balrog | isn't that true with other companies as well? | May 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Arrgh | May 16 23:23 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: what's the problem, exactly? | May 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Well, first I move 3 domains to my possession | May 16 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/do-not-trust-godaddy-security-certificates/ | May 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Sod it, I'll try later | May 16 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | "And found that they are providing security certificate signing for spyware vendors, this helps people like the type behind the rogue anti-malware look more legitimate when they take you to their page asking you for your credit card number." | May 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: can you check your response on their domain? | May 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's just the UK | May 16 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | ? | May 16 23:25 |
| Balrog | what's the exact problem | May 16 23:25 |
| Balrog | http://www.godaddy.com works here | May 16 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 16 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | I never said their website was down | May 16 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately | May 16 23:26 |
| tacone | i won't trust godaddy for nothing | May 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Trying to navigate takes ages | May 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | And seems broken | May 16 23:29 |
| tacone | if you don't need ssh access a 10$/year tophost.it domain may even be better :P | May 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Eventually gives error pages | May 16 23:30 |
| Balrog | tacone: ssh access is very useful | May 16 23:30 |
| tacone | Balrog: i know what ssh serves for | May 16 23:31 |
| tacone | schestowitz: if you need a temporary low performing dreamhost account, i can try to give you a sub-account | May 16 23:31 |
| tacone | i can give you ssh, and a lot of slow bandwith ;-) | May 16 23:32 |
| schestowitz | tacone: that's OK | May 16 23:33 |
| tacone | for free. you would just need to switch the dns. so you can take the time to look for a good host. | May 16 23:33 |
| schestowitz | We have something like that | May 16 23:33 |
| tacone | are you meaning you don't need that ? | May 16 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | We have an account with SSH | May 16 23:34 |
| *tacone has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | May 16 23:36 | |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@wana-130-245-12-196.wanamaroc.com) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 23:40 | |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, can't you use SSH to get your data | May 16 23:40 |
| _Hicham_ | tessier is not back yet? | May 16 23:40 |
| ziggyfish | interesting? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1159916 | May 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: no, no access to them | May 16 23:43 |
| ziggyfish | oh, ok | May 16 23:45 |
| ziggyfish | MySQL? | May 16 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | phpmyadmin? | May 16 23:47 |
| ziggyfish | I was more thinking of this command: mysqldump "dbName" > data.sql | May 16 23:50 |
| ziggyfish | then SCPing the file to your computer | May 16 23:50 |
| _Hicham_ | u can do this via phpmyadmin | May 16 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Stupid godaddy | May 16 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I have 3 domains being passed to me, but the GUI seems broken in the sense that I can't approve the transfer (it has no effect). I've tried from two IPs, one from Opera, one from Firefox. | May 16 23:51 |
| ziggyfish | Godaddy? | May 16 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, we seize control of the domain | May 16 23:52 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, interesting I've used godaddy a few times, and I never have a problem | May 16 23:52 |
| *tacone (i=97530508@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f7bdce59cf2be6e8) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 23:54 | |
| *shreddar (i=62f0385b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-76aa8d21c6770d94) has joined #boycottnovell | May 16 23:54 | |
| tacone | sorry, battery went out | May 16 23:55 |
| tacone | and will again in a short time :) | May 16 23:55 |
| shreddar | The site's still down. | May 16 23:55 |
| ziggyfish | yes | May 16 23:55 |
| shreddar | is schestowitz awake now? | May 16 23:55 |
| ziggyfish | yes | May 16 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 23:56 |
| shreddar | What happend? | May 16 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Not so relaxed :-) | May 16 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Several things | May 16 23:56 |
| schestowitz | The host locks us out of the account, no access to the DBs and files | May 16 23:56 |
| schestowitz | We want to take that off the server | May 16 23:57 |
| schestowitz | We have another account being set up elsewhere. | May 16 23:57 |
| _Hicham_ | did u contact the host? | May 16 23:57 |
| tacone | not even ssh ? | May 16 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiNWw7h8cEU | May 16 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 16 23:57 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is a Windows Lover | May 16 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite get the godaddy gui to work, so I contacted their support people. | May 16 23:59 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no ssh either | May 16 23:59 |
| shreddar | I hope you'll be able to get back all of those recoverd comes vs microsoft exibits (PDF's). | May 16 23:59 |
| schestowitz | yeah yeah... | May 16 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry. We just want to get the most recent snapshot of the site, that's all | May 16 23:59 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
