| DaemonFC | I don't believe in marriage | May 25 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 25 00:00 |
| that's a good thing. | May 25 00:00 | |
| for everyone else | May 25 00:00 | |
| DaemonFC | how is that? | May 25 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | biology says have kids, even though they don't benefit you | May 25 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | even though they may get you in trouble | May 25 00:01 |
| you know as much about raising children and women as you do about gnu/linux, FC | May 25 00:01 | |
| DaemonFC | I say I'll take what ever I can get and keep as much of it for myself as I can | May 25 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 25 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | life is bullshit enough without sticking your neck out | May 25 00:02 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: as long as you don't have kids, we're better off :> | May 25 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | there's worse people than me having them | May 25 00:03 |
| it is a shame he is so selfish, but he has his match in Windows | May 25 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | why should this make any difference? | May 25 00:03 |
| MinceR | that's no excuse | May 25 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Please don't be the wikipedia pages built by net applications DaemonFC | May 25 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's a number of them on here | May 25 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Far as I know wikipedia does not generate there own stats. | May 25 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | the results that favor you the most still say 2.1% for Linux | May 25 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | but that's W3 Schools | May 25 00:05 |
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| polluters hijack climate control meeting. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/may/24/climate-change-polluters-shell | May 25 00:07 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zac_Browser | May 25 00:08 |
| oiaohm | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Statistics << Yep true wikipedia stats don't include OS. | May 25 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | they developed a browser for you | May 25 00:08 |
| oiaohm | I really wish they did. | May 25 00:08 |
| oiaohm | It one be one place that does get a good cross section. | May 25 00:08 |
| I suspect that anyplace that reports OS statistics will be hit with a DDoS to game those statistics | May 25 00:09 | |
| wikipedia seems to rely on comscore for their statistics. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Stu/comScore_data_on_Wikimedia | May 25 00:14 | |
| they seem so grateful for this that they accept what is given. | May 25 00:14 | |
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| " Finally a quick thank you to comScore. The data they donated typically sells for thousands and thousands of dollars, so we're lucky to be able to review. Speaking on behalf of all of us in the community, I want to thank them for their support." | May 25 00:15 | |
| the OS for autistic children must have let FC down. | May 25 00:15 | |
| Zac Browser. I wonder how FC came across that. | May 25 00:16 | |
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| It is interesting that M$ feels such a need to lie about GNU/Linux use. | May 25 00:18 | |
| oiaohm | 1 percent of the world is still a lot of people. | May 25 00:19 |
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| greed fest and massive sleaze around livesearch.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/24/AR2009052402028.html | May 25 00:37 | |
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| -> "Tullock took control of the domain name about 13 years ago, when he was running an internet-marketing company, LocalSeek Advertising. He used Livesearch.com and other domains to advertise his services, which included a relocation business. Microsoft introduced Live Search in 2006, hosting the search engine on Live.com?a domain that it does own (Tullock says he never tried to challenge Microsoft's decision to call its search eng | May 25 00:38 | |
| now they try to get it from him by various proxies and other sneak attacks. | May 25 00:39 | |
| LOL, " Tullock runs a chain of seven music schools in the Seattle area, and parks Google (NSDQ: GOOG) ads on LiveSearch.com. "It makes me plenty of money sending all that Microsoft business to Google," he says. Tullock won't disclose how much the site brings in." | May 25 00:39 | |
| tacone | http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsofts-move-toward-XML-standards-leads-to-200-million-penalty/1242941005 | May 25 00:40 |
| you used the words "microsoft" and "standards" in the same sentence! | May 25 00:41 | |
| tacone | me ? it's a link | May 25 00:41 |
| tacone | even "microsoft" and "xml" should never be put together | May 25 00:42 |
| it's a terrible link, but thanks | May 25 00:42 | |
| tacone | just usual stuff | May 25 00:42 |
| tacone | patent trolls | May 25 00:42 |
| the author seems completely ignorant of the OOXML scandal saga. | May 25 00:44 | |
| blames M$ patent fine on XML, truly stupid spin | May 25 00:45 | |
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| ho ho, something fun and interesting http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090523231352189 | May 25 00:51 | |
| Novell vrs M$ anti-trust news. They are trying to depose bill gates | May 25 00:52 | |
| it seems they did depose him and GL has the transcript. http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/NovvMS-83ExA.pdf | May 25 00:53 | |
| It's all the same kind of shit you see in all these things. Bill does not know anything, ha ha. | May 25 00:54 | |
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| somehow they managed to reduce the standard deposition from 7 to 4 hours but Mr. Gates walked out in a huff after 3 hours. | May 25 01:09 | |
| He had a complete hissy fit and left the lawyers to cover his ass. | May 25 01:10 | |
| PJ has this to say about the layers rude defense of Gates even ruder behavior, "Microsoft must send its lawyers to the same charm school as its trolls and shills" | May 25 01:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Here's one for you | May 25 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 will cost more than Vista according to a Dellexecutive | May 25 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC | he was apparently worried that the price will put people off | May 25 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | so it must be quite a bit more | May 25 01:15 |
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| DaemonFC | that's gonna be kind of funny, watch the Home Premium edition be $300 or something after all these people were using the RC for free | May 25 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | I remember Microsoft's argument when Vista failed to take off was "Oh well, everyone that buys a new PC will get it anyway" | May 25 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | It was like Denial | May 25 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | then there was Anger, Depression, Bargaining, and oh shit, just kill it now | May 25 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | Anger would have been Mojave | May 25 01:18 |
| I wonder if the more expensive versions will come with "downgrade rights"? | May 25 01:19 | |
| DaemonFC | Business/Professional always does | May 25 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | Home and Ultimate won't | May 25 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | Enterprise will | May 25 01:19 |
| That seemed to work for Vista, but what will they downgrade to this time? | May 25 01:19 | |
| LOL | May 25 01:19 | |
| DaemonFC | XP Pro had downgrade rights to Windows 2000 | May 25 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | but I never heard of many people doing that | May 25 01:20 |
| the OS they paid extra money to avoid last time? | May 25 01:20 | |
| DaemonFC | well, the US Army has seen Windows 7 and is putting in Vista SP2 | May 25 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | so that may be a hint | May 25 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | I mean why would they buy Vista if they had any plans to go to 7? | May 25 01:21 |
| no, it's probably a matter of the US Army being bullheaded and finishing what they started. | May 25 01:21 | |
| DaemonFC | I mean MS may have offered them the "free upgrade" thing or something | May 25 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | who knows | May 25 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | they can be much more reasonable when hundreds of thousands of sales are at stake | May 25 01:21 |
| you can be sure M$ is milking the Army for all they can. | May 25 01:21 | |
| It may also be a sort of bail out. | May 25 01:22 | |
| DaemonFC | they have Volume Liensing which is far less expensive than even OEM versions | May 25 01:22 |
| What's sure is that West Point knows better than to use Windows. | May 25 01:22 | |
| DaemonFC | so they probably got Vista for $50 a copy | May 25 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | just a guess | May 25 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | they have a lot of wiggle room in their licensing agreements and price depending on who you are and how much you buy from them | May 25 01:23 |
| They should not use any copy of Windows even if it was donated - it's not like M$ pays taxes. | May 25 01:23 | |
| DaemonFC | if you have a VLK or OEM agreement, you'll never even see Product Activator | May 25 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | They use Windows on quite a few systems | May 25 01:24 |
| M$ sucks all sorts of money out of government. It is a crime. | May 25 01:24 | |
| DaemonFC | they only go with something else when it has to store sensitive data | May 25 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | but Bitlocker made some improvements on that | May 25 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | used to be encryption built into the file system | May 25 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | that's still what you have with Linux | May 25 01:25 |
| here you go, with links to people who know better http://slashdot.org/submission/1006103/US-Army-Moves-to-Vista | May 25 01:25 | |
| People in the Army who really know about computer security don't use Windows. | May 25 01:25 | |
| DaemonFC | EFS is more flexible but Bitlocker is for encrypting the whole volume | May 25 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | EFS is in Business, Ultimate is EFS and Bitlocker, your choice | May 25 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | Home editions don't have either one | May 25 01:26 |
| I've got whole volume encryption on this laptop. It was a setup choice for Lenny. I could have just done a partition, but I decided to go for LVM with encryption to see how it does. | May 25 01:26 | |
| it is a little slower than non encryption | May 25 01:27 | |
| DaemonFC | right, but I don't think Linux can use the TPM for that | May 25 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | can it? | May 25 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | I know there's kernel support for a TPM | May 25 01:27 |
| I would not want to use TPM. | May 25 01:27 | |
| DaemonFC | the TPM isn't dangerous, some theoretical uses of it are | May 25 01:27 |
| Why use a non free hardware dongle? You should never trust something like that. | May 25 01:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | The TPM is ike a chainsaw, you can use it as a tool or rip someone to shreds | May 25 01:28 |
| TPM would be OK if you could fully program it with free software. You can't, so it's not something you should trust. | May 25 01:28 | |
| DaemonFC | but the chainsaw isn't good or bad by itself | May 25 01:28 |
| TPM is like windows. You don't know what's inside, so you don't really know how good or bad it is. | May 25 01:28 | |
| DaemonFC | PGP Whole Disk Encryption can use the TPM | May 25 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | so there you go, a bitlocker for Linux | May 25 01:29 |
| free software can do anything you want | May 25 01:30 | |
| DaemonFC | eventually it's just going to be part of every motherboard | May 25 01:30 |
| you can, I think, just ignore it if you want | May 25 01:30 | |
| DaemonFC | well yeah | May 25 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | nothing forces you to use it | May 25 01:30 |
| If you can't you don't want the board. | May 25 01:30 | |
| DaemonFC | the chip itself is not bad | May 25 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | theoretical uses of it could be | May 25 01:31 |
| like I said, you don't know what's in there, so you don't know how bad or good it is. | May 25 01:31 | |
| people who write software for hard drives worry about the risk IDE controllers themselves pose. non free computing is treacherous | May 25 01:32 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/about_tcg/tcg_members | May 25 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | anyone who's anyone in the computing world is a member | May 25 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | including a lot of Linux and open source companies | May 25 01:33 |
| I don't think you will find EFF or FSF on that list. | May 25 01:33 | |
| DaemonFC | You won't be able to put together a computer without it | May 25 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | so the software at that point is irrelevant | May 25 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like Richard Stallman can command this to stop | May 25 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | or like he can tell Torvalds to take it out of the kernel | May 25 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | where the drivers already are | May 25 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | so he doesn't matter | May 25 01:34 |
| good luck selling that crap. | May 25 01:34 | |
| DaemonFC | every OS and every hardware maker will support it | May 25 01:35 |
| you see how well "you have no choice" worked for Vista | May 25 01:35 | |
| DaemonFC | you will not be able to put a system together without one | May 25 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, this is different | May 25 01:35 |
| do you think hardware makers will try to pull this shit now? | May 25 01:35 | |
| yes you do | May 25 01:35 | |
| DaemonFC | if you can conjure up your own hardware then good luck | May 25 01:35 |
| I don't need more hardware at that rate, neither do most people who don't run Windows. | May 25 01:36 | |
| DaemonFC | you will eventually | May 25 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | you can't park yourself there while the world changes around you | May 25 01:36 |
| actually, FC, I can | May 25 01:36 | |
| but thanks for the heads up. | May 25 01:37 | |
| DaemonFC | maybe for a few years | May 25 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | but the PC will be too obsolete to keep using eventually | May 25 01:37 |
| Long enough for M$ and others to go out of business. | May 25 01:37 | |
| OEMs are already burnt by Vista. I doubt they will pull any stupid stunts soon. | May 25 01:38 | |
| DaemonFC | they'll keep on going | May 25 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that they aren't selling systems or that MS isn't selling Vista | May 25 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | people wipe over the disk and the OS they paid for and put XP on it | May 25 01:39 |
| The thing that really killed Vista, besides stability, was that companies did not trust it. | May 25 01:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft still made money | May 25 01:40 |
| Do you think OEMs are going to try to sell hostile hardware after a software failure like that? | May 25 01:40 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah they are | May 25 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | hardware makers, MS, and the recording and movie and video game industries need each other | May 25 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | they know that if any of them went under, the whole thing would unravel | May 25 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | to undermine Microsoft would undermine themselves | May 25 01:43 |
| tacone | what's the best operative system ? linux choosen by 80%+ of the commenters http://canali.kataweb.it/kataweb-itech/2009/05/21/qual-e-il-migliore/?com=1559#commenti | May 25 01:43 |
| tacone | (it's a generic magazine) | May 25 01:44 |
| *DaemonFC is making a backup | May 25 01:47 | |
| DaemonFC | clean copy to go back to if something happens | May 25 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | never a bad idea | May 25 01:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 25 01:50 |
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| DaemonFC | it occurs to me | May 25 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | that that woman complaining about her Mac not being able to transfer her files and settings over wouldn't have had that problem if thee Mac had a Complete PC Backup-like feature | May 25 01:55 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: interesting..HEX has been doing his usual hexxxing of unsuspecting ubuntu users again..I caught this one..as I just installed ubuntu viva wubi, and going through REMOVING mono from synatpic, I found evolution mentioning 'mono'...Ive NO idea what thats up...?? | May 25 01:55 |
| _Hicham_ | everything occurs to u | May 25 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | you can easily clone an in place Vista system with that and transfer it over to your new PC | May 25 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's not official, but it works | May 25 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | cause the new one probably also has a SLP key in the BIOS, so all you need is the authorization certificate pulled out of the Windows installation on that | May 25 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | OEMs use an XML file with their digital signature | May 25 01:57 |
| most people have yet to see a reason for Vista in the first place, FC. | May 25 01:57 | |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7340841#post7340841 | May 25 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | heh, their problem | May 25 01:58 |
| mostly M$'s problem at the moment | May 25 01:58 | |
| DaemonFC | if they were smart enough to tweak a few settings, they'd never go back to XP | May 25 01:58 |
| neighborlee | twitter: well ,,linux is the land of the free, but its not always brave when it comes to all hardware people need and want to use..it IS a problem linux has yet to address completely Im afraid. | May 25 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | thank you | May 25 01:59 |
| So they buy a Dell, with Ubuntu :) | May 25 01:59 | |
| DaemonFC | when it works, it's spectacular, and it usually keeps working, when it doesn't you have a functionless device that is humming and burning electricity | May 25 01:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Linux even snubs popular name brand hardware | May 25 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | from time to time | May 25 02:00 |
| neighborlee | yes and its ridiculous. | May 25 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm just the lucky one on this system | May 25 02:00 |
| neighborlee | nvidia to name one. | May 25 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | meh, Nvidia works well | May 25 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | but you really still have to plan a system around what Linux supports | May 25 02:01 |
| neighborlee | of course it does..you can TELL that by the warning you get during the 'restricted driver' setup ;) | May 25 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | piece by piece | May 25 02:01 |
| quit trolling FC, you know that it's the other way around - hardware makers snub freedom for themselves and others | May 25 02:01 | |
| DaemonFC | if you bring a full system to it, some of it will work and part of it may not | May 25 02:01 |
| and you also know that hardware problems are rare these days | May 25 02:01 | |
| DaemonFC | not rare | May 25 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | quite common | May 25 02:01 |
| Yes, you told us this earlier. | May 25 02:02 | |
| neighborlee | twitter: it happens both way I believe.... | May 25 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | when I have to compile kernel mods for things that are free | May 25 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | and excluded for political reasons | May 25 02:02 |
| neighborlee | hm | May 25 02:02 |
| you don't run linux FC | May 25 02:02 | |
| DaemonFC | xpad360 driver is GPL 2 | May 25 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | but out of the kernel | May 25 02:02 |
| why do you care? | May 25 02:02 | |
| why are you here? | May 25 02:02 | |
| DaemonFC | licensing is free but since it's Microsoft hardware, the kernel devs are assholes | May 25 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | and let people that own it not have a functional game pad | May 25 02:03 |
| ugh | May 25 02:03 | |
| DaemonFC | the only Microsoft hardware they don't discriminate agains are mice and keyboards cause those have the same device IDs as Logitech hardware | May 25 02:05 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: you can always petition for drivers if you feel they aren't working right yadda...have you tried..if not it cant hurt | May 25 02:06 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is reverse engineering NT kernel | May 25 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not the only one that's asked | May 25 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | talking to a wall | May 25 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | it'll wind up in there if a kernel developer ever buys one | May 25 02:07 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 25 02:07 |
| neighborlee, I think there's a more recent FSF damnation of mono. You should look for it or ask Roy. | May 25 02:08 | |
| DaemonFC | why a damnation when they support implementing it? | May 25 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | you mean damning the guys who made one that works more likely | May 25 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | they do that you know? | May 25 02:08 |
| With distros dumping mono left and right, chances are it's because Roy is right about it. | May 25 02:08 | |
| DaemonFC | dotGNU? | May 25 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | hello? | May 25 02:09 |
| FSF does not advocate mono use, FC. quit bullshit. | May 25 02:09 | |
| DaemonFC | same thing | May 25 02:09 |
| tacone | good point. | May 25 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | but like most FSF projects, it peters out half way through without putting forth anything that really works right | May 25 02:09 |
| go play with your Vista box, FC. | May 25 02:09 | |
| DaemonFC | their compilers and libraries are the exception | May 25 02:10 |
| _Hicham_ | the pb isn't with .NET | May 25 02:10 |
| tacone | he's right on dotGnu | May 25 02:10 |
| tacone | what's the difference ? | May 25 02:10 |
| _Hicham_ | it is with licensing | May 25 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | none at all | May 25 02:10 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a big difference tacone | May 25 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's not one shred of difference other than Windows.Forms which is optional in Mono | May 25 02:10 |
| tacone | yes, the license may be difference. | May 25 02:10 |
| tacone | different. | May 25 02:10 |
| _Hicham_ | licensing | May 25 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | patens are still violated | May 25 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | possibly | May 25 02:11 |
| Well, one is a GNU project for compatibility and the other is written by a M$ collaborator as a trap. | May 25 02:11 | |
| DaemonFC | think that's the bigger concern | May 25 02:11 |
| tacone | still, there's another difference | May 25 02:11 |
| tacone | mono patents concerns are legitimated by the mono distributor itself. | May 25 02:11 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC-sharp, that is ur mono version | May 25 02:11 |
| bogus patents, but your chances of violating them are greater if you use the trap version | May 25 02:11 | |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC-cli : cli binding for DaemonFC | May 25 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, without Windows Forms, it's not as compatible | May 25 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | so you may as well not bother | May 25 02:12 |
| It is better to avoid both and just use gpl'd java | May 25 02:12 | |
| DaemonFC | who knows....personally if they can make a C# that isbulletproof legal-wise, then I support it | May 25 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | because it's just a language | May 25 02:13 |
| why waste time chasing second rate M$ crap? | May 25 02:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Mono obviously is not a good implementation for several reasons | May 25 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | twitter: You sound like you're about 12, so I'll go easy on you | May 25 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | but C and C++ were from AT&T | May 25 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | who were the Microsoft of that time | May 25 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | and GNU recreated not only those, but their entire operating system | May 25 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | so the source of the software might have been dodgy, but their stuff was useful | May 25 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | or nobody would have taken it | May 25 02:14 |
| tacone | offlining bye | May 25 02:14 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft won't make an Open Source language | May 25 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | C and C++ were proprietary | May 25 02:15 |
| _Hicham_ | they want profit from it | May 25 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | so was UNIX | May 25 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | you can't defend that and blast C# | May 25 02:15 |
| _Hicham_ | bye tacone | May 25 02:15 |
| neighborlee | twitter: seriously ?? | May 25 02:15 |
| _Hicham_ | but they were standardized after | May 25 02:15 |
| neighborlee | twitter: interseting..ty for update, I shall google in the meantime | May 25 02:15 |
| neighborlee | twitter: about time if so ..and..great news ;)))) | May 25 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, this is the same deal, the problems with Mono are the license and that they implement parts that were not made public standards | May 25 02:16 |
| neighborlee | clearly | May 25 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's the reason for dotGNU | May 25 02:16 |
| _Hicham_ | standardize C# DaemonFC, and everyone will go with u | May 25 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | they obviously see it that way | May 25 02:16 |
| neighborlee | but the supporters tell everyone that has no idea..that dettractors are clueless FUD'ers... | May 25 02:16 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: requires constant vigilence | May 25 02:16 |
| _Hicham_ | GNU deals with standards | May 25 02:17 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft also standardized a lot of stuff implemented by Opera, Mozilla, Google, and KDE | May 25 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | and anyone else with a rendering engine | May 25 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | as W3C standards | May 25 02:17 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no problem with that | May 25 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | usually what happens is, there's no standard way to do something, so Microsoft creates one and puts it into IE, and from there they submit it to W3C | May 25 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | they were the first company to support CSS | May 25 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | and AJAX | May 25 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | XmlHttpRequest | May 25 02:19 |
| _Hicham_ | did u work for MS before DaemonFC? | May 25 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 25 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | there would be nothing stopping me or you or Mozilla or anyone from doing the same thing | May 25 02:20 |
| _Hicham_ | if they offer u a job, would u accept it? | May 25 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | they're huge, they have an impact on the industry, if they collapse a lot of that would go on | May 25 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | like AT&T UNIX to Linux | May 25 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | meh, hypothetically if I had a skill they wanted and the money was right | May 25 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | but hell, that's any job | May 25 02:22 |
| so, FC, you just troll here for fun? | May 25 02:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat may seem huge, but they only have a little over 2,000 employees | May 25 02:22 |
| others admit to being paid for that. | May 25 02:22 | |
| what drives you? | May 25 02:23 | |
| DaemonFC | anyway, my movie is starting in 20 minutes | May 25 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | back in a bit | May 25 02:23 |
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| strange, you would think a Vista guy could record a movie and watch it on his own time. | May 25 02:26 | |
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| so much for all that hardware and no DRM talk of his. | May 25 02:26 | |
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| neighborlee | hahah | May 25 03:55 |
| *neighborlee just got a warning from the gods at ubuntu forums.. | May 25 03:55 | |
| neighborlee | ONE DEMERIT | May 25 03:56 |
| neighborlee | for bringing up a nonsensical reply in a all but dead topic ;)) | May 25 03:56 |
| neighborlee | OH im so hurt ;)) | May 25 03:56 |
| neighborlee | pfft. | May 25 03:56 |
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| neighborlee | You have received an infraction at Ubuntu Forums. | May 25 03:56 |
| neighborlee | Reason: Flame bait | May 25 03:56 |
| neighborlee | rofl | May 25 03:57 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: yeah..I was trying to warn someone about a FUD comment made by directHEX, and I get a demerit warning for flame baiting.... | May 25 03:57 |
| neighborlee | Hello, | May 25 03:57 |
| neighborlee | You know our standpoint on this issue. You even say so in your post. This has been discussed to the point of dead horse beating. There's no reason to bring it up again, especially for a thread that's over two months old. | May 25 03:57 |
| neighborlee | Thank you, | May 25 03:57 |
| neighborlee | dmizer | May 25 03:57 |
| neighborlee | in case they ban me from forums..its ON THE RECORD. | May 25 03:58 |
| ushimitsudoki | link? | May 25 03:58 |
| neighborlee | I cant give a link to this | May 25 04:00 |
| neighborlee | the ubuntu moderator sent me a PM... | May 25 04:00 |
| neighborlee | ie: notification | May 25 04:00 |
| ushimitsudoki | to the thread? | May 25 04:00 |
| neighborlee | Ill try to find the url for forum post I made though that brought this action against me. | May 25 04:00 |
| neighborlee | one sec | May 25 04:01 |
| neighborlee | I was searching earlier, but could not find it....ill try again, they may have removed it entirely... | May 25 04:01 |
| neighborlee | yeah I cant find it,,likely it was removed..searching for all my posts isnt retrieving it at all | May 25 04:04 |
| neighborlee | it was posted in general help...ive looked there and thread seems gone completely | May 25 04:04 |
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| neighborlee | apparantly, I hit a nerve LOL | May 25 04:10 |
| neighborlee | I thought I would have been able to find thread, but so far no luck.... | May 25 04:11 |
| neighborlee | maybe I have it bookmarked in windows...brb | May 25 04:12 |
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| neighborlee | ushimitsudoki:no luck here either..thanks for asking about it anyway, but it seems to have been deleted or moved somewhere that Im not finding it atm.... | May 25 04:19 |
| neighborlee | ushimitsudoki: found it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1105996 | May 25 04:25 |
| neighborlee | ushimitsudoki: my post was removed...;) | May 25 04:25 |
| neighborlee | but I have it from the PM he sent me.. | May 25 04:26 |
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| DaemonFC | http://vista.blorge.com/2008/09/02/you-think-vista-is-bloated-ie8-consumes-more-ram-than-all-of-xp/ | May 25 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 25 04:58 |
| " well over two times more demanding then FireFox." Nice! | May 25 05:07 | |
| DaemonFC | that's an achievement | May 25 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | you have to try to be more bloated than Firefox | May 25 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox uses more RAM than Ubuntu after you'd had it open for a while :) | May 25 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | web browsers are all getting fatter, it's what you get with kitchen sink design | May 25 05:11 |
| 400 MB, wow | May 25 05:11 | |
| DaemonFC | people won't be happy with Chrome til its got an extension system and is buckling under its own weight either | May 25 05:11 |
| Konq does 10 sites in 100 MB | May 25 05:11 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 25 05:11 |
| and file browsing with sftp | May 25 05:12 | |
| DaemonFC | well, Firefox isn't a native application on any OS | May 25 05:12 |
| they gear it to Winblows, I'm afraid. | May 25 05:12 | |
| DaemonFC | it draws it's own interface in XUL and XPCOM | May 25 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | and then uses GTK+ (on Linux) as a mask | May 25 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | no, this is what you get with portability | May 25 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | most of Firefox's worst problems are because of XUL/XPCOM | May 25 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | and not writing native interfaces in C++ instead | May 25 05:13 |
| konq has portability | May 25 05:13 | |
| DaemonFC | that's apparently on the table for Firefox 4 | May 25 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | no, I mean Firefox is pretty trivial to port | May 25 05:14 |
| kpart is on safari and you have told me that you've run konq on Vista | May 25 05:14 | |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of it is because they creted their own OS-neutral language | May 25 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | KHTML took major surgery to port to OS X | May 25 05:14 |
| C is about as OS neutral as you can find. | May 25 05:14 | |
| DaemonFC | once they had Webkit it was easy to port to Windows | May 25 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | nope | May 25 05:14 |
| ? | May 25 05:15 | |
| DaemonFC | XUL was made to be truly independent | May 25 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | never have to rewrite it at all | May 25 05:15 |
| and C was not? | May 25 05:15 | |
| DaemonFC | it's overglorified XML | May 25 05:15 |
| somewhere under it is some kind of OS glue, the language does not matter. | May 25 05:15 | |
| DaemonFC | interestingly enough Microsoft had the same idea as Mozilla | May 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | they were going to write the user interface for Windows in XAML | May 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | that got ditched | May 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | cause it turns out that XML interface languages are slow as shit | May 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | which is why Mozilla is trying to get away from that | May 25 05:16 |
| M$ rejects standards and it's not for performance as IE8 and Vista clearly show. | May 25 05:17 | |
| DaemonFC | XUL isn't a standard | May 25 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's a specification | May 25 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | but it's only used by Mozilla stuff | May 25 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | Songbird....pffft | May 25 05:18 |
| there have been several XML standards over the years | May 25 05:18 | |
| DaemonFC | I was horrified when MS was tossing around the idea of writing the Windows interface in XML | May 25 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | you think Vista is slow now, XML intface would make this look like a Formula 1 racer | May 25 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | *interface | May 25 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | well, people were "shocked" that Server 2008 was using less resources, having UAC and Windows Defender turned on guzzles RAM and CPU time | May 25 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | flip those off and Vista is as fast as XP | May 25 05:22 |
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| DaemonFC | Server 2008 flips both of those, and AERO, and a bunch of other things off | May 25 05:22 |
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| another blackboard bites the dust http://vt.freeculture.org/2009/02/07/scholar-online/ | May 25 05:31 | |
| it is good to see those things thrown out for free software. | May 25 05:32 | |
| oh yeah, your article comes from Randal Kennedy. | May 25 05:33 | |
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| thanks for the tip, FC http://slashdot.org/submission/1006913/IE-8-Consumes-2x-RAM-as-FireFox | May 25 05:47 | |
| the problem with Vista and Windows 7 is that you won't be able to flip off IE8. | May 25 05:49 | |
| soon enough, they will shove it down your throat the way they did IE7 | May 25 05:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'd like to be able to pin IE 8 to the floor and empty 3 or 4 clips into it | May 25 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | but we can't always have what we want | May 25 06:00 |
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| DaemonFC | and for some reason Windows sees my Mpeg-4 AAC files as Mpeg-2 AAC | May 25 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 06:03 |
| what does Windows see here ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KEueJnsu80&feature=channel_page | May 25 06:28 | |
| you can get better versions from the site, http://www.ironsky.net/site/ | May 25 06:33 | |
| From the people who made Star Wreck, the most entertaining thing out of Finland since Linux. | May 25 06:34 | |
| Saw Star Treck and saw Star Wreck, Wreck rules. | May 25 06:35 | |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/ | May 25 07:07 |
| neighborlee | checkjing | May 25 07:07 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: LOL | May 25 07:09 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: as if anyone is surprised...nice thx indeed for showng me ....makes me feel good seeing this, after getting a 'infraction ' notice on ubuntu forums for simply trying to make clear that FUD as directHEX likes to label the 'opposition' to mono is anything but FUD... | May 25 07:11 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: and my post was removed..though I have it here in P:M I was sent about infraction so its hardly lost. | May 25 07:11 |
| neighborlee | just a fyi | May 25 07:11 |
| neighborlee | oh btw | May 25 07:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, good guys labeled 'terrorists' | May 25 07:12 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: whats this about fsf and taking a mono stand lately ?? | May 25 07:13 |
| schestowitz | FUD... or whatever | May 25 07:13 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 25 07:13 |
| schestowitz | Sicne when are .NETers the ones with authority? | May 25 07:13 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: as if that was going to scare me off.....they dont know me at all. | May 25 07:13 |
| schestowitz | It's like Microsofters take control | May 25 07:13 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: trying to. ;) | May 25 07:13 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: I think twitter mentioned it so I thought to ask you | May 25 07:14 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: I mean about fsf stance on mono | May 25 07:14 |
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| schestowitz | I know of no "stance" | May 25 07:14 |
| schestowitz | RMS does not like Mono | May 25 07:14 |
| schestowitz | It's risky | May 25 07:14 |
| schestowitz | And dotgnu was taken off the priority list | May 25 07:15 |
| neighborlee | yup , that I knew | May 25 07:15 |
| neighborlee | he said avoid mono , when we can clearly use something else, why bother over a few apps | May 25 07:15 |
| neighborlee | 'over a few apps'..maybe that is why they are pushing to get rid of rhythmbox..and now SElinux GUI ? ;)) | May 25 07:15 |
| neighborlee | hmmmm | May 25 07:15 |
| neighborlee | I mean creation of SEadmin..whatever its called..using mono | May 25 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Windows fan finds out Vista7 is too fat for netbiooks: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25218/1105/ ( Windows 7 netbook performance: can MS make it faster? ) | May 25 07:16 |
| schestowitz | "Why is this? What has Microsoft added to the RC code to slow things down? Why does XP still feel so much faster than Windows 7, when earlier Windows 7 builds screamed along on netbooks in comparison?" | May 25 07:17 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: lol | May 25 07:17 |
| schestowitz | Who made this selinux GUI? | May 25 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Any way to find out? | May 25 07:18 |
| neighborlee | dont recall from post I can check for other info | May 25 07:18 |
| schestowitz | BTW, he E-mailed me about Mono... | May 25 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Enough is enough.. time for truth | May 25 07:20 |
| neighborlee | rms did ? | May 25 07:20 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: SEadmin btw: http://sourceforge.net/projects/seadmin | May 25 07:21 |
| schestowitz | No, Sam | May 25 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Is there anoter admin front end to selinux>? | May 25 07:21 |
| neighborlee | http://sourceforge.net/projects/seadmin | May 25 07:22 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: faik, just fedora's | May 25 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Yossi Ozani makes seadmin | May 25 07:22 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 25 07:22 |
| ah yes, RMS said avoid mono - that's what I remember. | May 25 07:23 | |
| DaemonFC trolled low enough to say FSF recommended mono. | May 25 07:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | no | May 25 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | I said they had dotgnu | May 25 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | maybe your split personality disorder is acting up | May 25 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | are the gremlins telling you to do things? | May 25 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | things you don't want to do? | May 25 07:26 |
| _Goblin | good mornin all | May 25 07:26 |
| neighborlee | hi there | May 25 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, movie was good | May 25 07:28 |
| you said "they support implementing it [mono]" and then dragged along to talk about all the nice standards M$ invents because there's no standard way of doing things. pure troll. | May 25 07:28 | |
| DaemonFC | they even CGI'd Arnold Schwarzenegger in at the end | May 25 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | nice touch | May 25 07:28 |
| _Goblin | Microsoft has standards?????? | May 25 07:28 |
| neighborlee | lol | May 25 07:28 |
| glad you enjoyed it. did you use your media center to record it? | May 25 07:28 | |
| be sure to share! | May 25 07:29 | |
| neighborlee | maybe silverlight | May 25 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | nah, I did see the preview for it in Media Center | May 25 07:29 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: morning.. | May 25 07:30 |
| _Goblin | morning....off for a minute... | May 25 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | I've got it rigged to rip, burn, and play Vorbis and FLAC | May 25 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 25 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | I've also got it to where it can control my cable box | May 25 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | ahh the tangled web we weave :P | May 25 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | beats the guide on my cable box too, the one on the box is slooooooooooooow | May 25 07:37 |
| Nice article by Sam there, Roy. Looks like independent confirmation of most of what you have been saying about mono for months if not years. | May 25 07:37 | |
| schestowitz | Years | May 25 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | May 25 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | it indexed the pay per view porn channels too | May 25 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 25 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | so much for family friendly | May 25 07:45 |
| neighborlee | twitter: indeed it is...we all feel SO vindicated..though sad that few took heed of the warnings years ago | May 25 07:46 |
| neighborlee | twitter: I was voicing this concern years ago in fedora forums along with another user...fell oh deaf ears-- | May 25 07:46 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/ << Seen this yet schestowitz | May 25 07:55 |
| neighborlee | yup he knows ;) | May 25 07:56 |
| neighborlee | he showed to me not long ago...and WOOT ;0- | May 25 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mygnulinux.com/?p=33 | May 25 08:22 |
| schestowitz | BillG grilled again: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090523231352189 | May 25 08:22 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: yes I too had mixed feelings about packagekit..I really thnk it rolled out way before its time..but then in fedora what else is to be expected ;( | May 25 08:26 |
| DaemonFC_ | that's how it goes, either cryptic or dumbed down | May 25 08:27 |
| DaemonFC_ | I don't think there is an in between | May 25 08:28 |
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| grilled and has another hissy fit. | May 25 08:34 | |
| I wonder if they will slap him with contempt for that performance. | May 25 08:35 | |
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| schestowitz | KBR Got Bonuses for Work that Killed Soldiers http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090601/scahill | May 25 08:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft – “To boldly blow….” http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/microsoft-to-boldly-blow/ | May 25 08:37 |
| lol | May 25 08:37 | |
| schestowitz | More fluff... "open source clothes" http://www.examiner.com/x-6935-Sewing-Examiner~y2009m5d23-BurdaStyle-is-open-for-design-submissions | May 25 08:39 |
| the patent site surely blows. aspx to serve a pdf? please, just give me the damn thing with a link ..... | May 25 08:42 | |
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| What an idiotic document. I was looking for details about implementing holographic imaging. What do I find? Ugh, it's image based not text! "may also interact with other components not specifically described herein but generally known by those of skill in the art" | May 25 08:50 | |
| The whole thing was flow charts and a description of the flow chart without mention of anything in specific. | May 25 08:51 | |
| I hope that document cost them half a million dollars. | May 25 08:51 | |
| and that they have paid for thousands of them. | May 25 08:51 | |
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| DaemonFC_ | If you thought IE was impossible to deal with before, try it with the ESC pack | May 25 08:52 |
| DaemonFC_ | (Enhanced Security Configuration) | May 25 08:52 |
| *DaemonFC_ is now known as aemonFC | May 25 08:52 | |
| aemonFC | gah | May 25 08:52 |
| *aemonFC is now known as DaemonFC | May 25 08:52 | |
| DaemonFC | better | May 25 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I set up a Server 2008 system and the first thing I wrestled around with was how to turn that off | May 25 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | It amazes me how much less bloated Server 2008 is vs. Vista and how much more sense the default config makes | May 25 08:56 |
| today's etiquette lesson is how to blog about being fired http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/19/AR2009051903056.html | May 25 08:56 | |
| I love this company! | May 25 08:57 | |
| DaemonFC | their real expensive stuff is better than their consumer stuff | May 25 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | I was playing with Hyper-V just s I'd know it | May 25 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | if they cared about properly emulating XP in Windows 7, they'd give it Hyper-V | May 25 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | but they never care about wrecking their consumer versions | May 25 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | I booted up some VHD images of several operating systems | May 25 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | you can even virtualize Linux on top of it | May 25 09:00 |
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| " Who knows, maybe I’ll find myself back in the halls of Microsoftland some day. I’m pretty sure I’d take it." He took it alright. | May 25 09:00 | |
| DaemonFC | if you have $1,000 to burn, go for it | May 25 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | I made an Ubuntu VHD image and booted it up in Hyper-V | May 25 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | ran pretty well | May 25 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | considering the emulation | May 25 09:01 |
| I have to wonder if any of those fired employee blogs are any more real than the infamous "Apple switcher" that M$ made up. | May 25 09:02 | |
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| that's the problem with being a liar, no one will listen to you | May 25 09:02 | |
| DaemonFC | fired employee blog? | May 25 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | Is Suse using KVM or Xen? | May 25 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'd imagine support for both | May 25 09:04 |
| I'm surprised that anyone at M$ keeps a blog after they fired that guy who talked about Macs on the M$ loading doc and how M$ uses them for advertising work. | May 25 09:06 | |
| The future of M$'s small business phone system is in doubt http://www.geekzone.co.nz/paulspain/6520 | May 25 09:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Those Macs weren't meant to be used as Macs | May 25 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | they were early developer kits for the XBOX 360 | May 25 09:06 |
| bullshit FC | May 25 09:06 | |
| DaemonFC | nope | May 25 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't actually have XBOX 360s | May 25 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | so they did development and testing on the Macs | May 25 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | and even used them as demo units at E3 | May 25 09:07 |
| it is pretty well know that M$ uses Mac for their advertising layout, the software puts tags in the output. | May 25 09:07 | |
| DaemonFC | they had a mockup of a 360 | May 25 09:07 |
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| DaemonFC | but the Mac was actually running the games | May 25 09:07 |
| they can make up any story they like, it's bullshit. go look it up. | May 25 09:08 | |
| DaemonFC | it's not bullshit | May 25 09:08 |
| several of the pdfs were stored for inspection, I'm sure | May 25 09:08 | |
| DaemonFC | the E3 2005 360s were mock ups | May 25 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | the games were running on Macs | May 25 09:08 |
| and their advertising department was using macs. | May 25 09:09 | |
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| one fact does not cancel out the other, though I have my doubts about yours, FC | May 25 09:09 | |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty well known that Microsoft uses Macs for various things | May 25 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | one of which is developing software for Macs | May 25 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 25 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | their Mac software usually ends up being better than the Windows version | May 25 09:10 |
| In any case .... it's clear that the layoffs are creating doubt in M$'s ability to back their products. | May 25 09:10 | |
| DaemonFC | I have Office 2004 for Mac | May 25 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | and I used Internet Explorer for Mac | May 25 09:10 |
| This means bad things for their sales. | May 25 09:11 | |
| DaemonFC | despite the name, it's actually a totally different engine | May 25 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | IE for Mac had decent standards compliance as compared to other browsers from the time period | May 25 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | IE for Windows has always been garbage | May 25 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | they use Tasman still in a few things even though IE for Mac is abandoned | May 25 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | Expression Web uses it, so does MSN for Mac | May 25 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | Office for Mac embeds it for some things | May 25 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | Office for Mac also has no product activation | May 25 09:14 |
| there's a whole pile of articles about products dropped http://topnews.us/content/25123-microsoft-products-suffer-scaling-back-blows-recent-layoffs | May 25 09:14 | |
| http://vista.blorge.com/2009/05/07/microsoft-in-trouble-the-company-picnic-layoffs-now-product-cutbacks/ | May 25 09:14 | |
| http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/microsoft_products_scaled_back/ | May 25 09:14 | |
| DaemonFC | just enter the serial and it works | May 25 09:14 |
| that's a whole pile of doubt | May 25 09:14 | |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of strange things MS does, you'd think their best stuff would be on Windows | May 25 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | and that they'd give the mac a shitty port | May 25 09:14 |
| " scaling back its commitment to .Net Micro Framework, MSN Direct Service and its ResponsePoint phone system after letting go of 3,000 staff earlier this week." | May 25 09:14 | |
| Funny how that other article tries to reassure Response point suc, I mean customers, that Response point will be out the gate right on time in 2010 despite everyone being fired. | May 25 09:15 | |
| " MSN Direct - which provides weather, traffic and other services to devices such as in-car map systems - is also under review." | May 25 09:16 | |
| " Microsoft also cut around 30 per cent of its staff at in-game ad unit Massive on Tuesday" <- really? A new low, video game says, "you are fired" | May 25 09:18 | |
| DaemonFC | in game ads have always been a bad idea | May 25 09:18 |
| http://vista.blorge.com/2009/04/26/microsoft-cancels-company-picnic-times-really-must-be-hard/ LOL | May 25 09:18 | |
| no chicken salad for you! | May 25 09:19 | |
| M$ needs the money to buy Bill Gates much discounted stock. Get moving. | May 25 09:19 | |
| oiaohm | Staff cutting cannot go for ever. | May 25 09:20 |
| oiaohm | Have not heard exectutive pay being cut over there yet. | May 25 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | naw, they can axe all the interns, all the knuckle draging support drones, move them to India | May 25 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | then they can outright axe unprofitable divisions | May 25 09:21 |
| FC, be nice to Sweaty B. | May 25 09:21 | |
| oiaohm | At the rate MS is going they will become a india company by default. | May 25 09:21 |
| call him a knuckle dragger again and he'll "fucking kill you" | May 25 09:21 | |
| you assume they survive, ohm. | May 25 09:22 | |
| DaemonFC | I can't stand those companies that outsource to 3rd world tech support | May 25 09:22 |
| oiaohm | So becoming a threat to USA national secuirty. | May 25 09:22 |
| oiaohm | So ending up screwed. | May 25 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | they just wast 20 minutes of your time and end up transferring you to an American in the end anyway | May 25 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | why bother? | May 25 09:22 |
| Windows is already a threat to national security and world peace. | May 25 09:23 | |
| DaemonFC | cause the foreigners are cheap and screen out the huge idiots | May 25 09:23 |
| you can't screen out the boss, FC | May 25 09:23 | |
| " two of Microsoft-produced magazines for developers have also been affected, but the details about these are not yet available." | May 25 09:24 | |
| Must be ComputerWorld and some other rag | May 25 09:24 | |
| oiaohm | MSDN mag I bet twitter | May 25 09:24 |
| probably, why would they need an in house magazine when they own so much of the media already? | May 25 09:25 | |
| oiaohm | Not like it was going to have much new content. | May 25 09:25 |
| When they want a story published, it looks better for them to plant it in the San Jose Mercury News, NBC or similar. | May 25 09:26 | |
| DaemonFC | I have access to everything on Technet and MSDN and Software Assurance | May 25 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | there's some interesting things sometimes | May 25 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | especially in Software Assurance | May 25 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's how I got WinFLP | May 25 09:26 |
| cleanse your mind at FSF.org | May 25 09:27 | |
| DaemonFC | ewww | May 25 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | 3 page essay every day about stuff I don't care about | May 25 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | may as well go to Fox News | May 25 09:28 |
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| DaemonFC | there's more ridiculous incredible stuff there | May 25 09:28 |
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| it's not fair of you to say M$ offshores everything. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090511/microsoft-55-jobs-india-begin-second-round-layoffs.htm | May 25 09:29 | |
| they fired a whole 55 people in India. | May 25 09:29 | |
| that's what 0.1% of their announced layoffs? See they love America and will do everything to spare jobs | May 25 09:29 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, how many more have they hired there? | May 25 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | numbers game | May 25 09:30 |
| except let their stock price fall further | May 25 09:30 | |
| DaemonFC | they've created more jobs there | May 25 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | a lot more | May 25 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | through all of this | May 25 09:30 |
| probably. | May 25 09:30 | |
| I was being sarcastic | May 25 09:30 | |
| DaemonFC | those 55 cuts were probably satellite support positions for something they cut here | May 25 09:30 |
| 0.1% of announced. 0.05% of more likely. | May 25 09:31 | |
| oiaohm | It the total numbers. | May 25 09:31 |
| oiaohm | 55 lower staff that a simpler to reaquire is not a major problem. | May 25 09:31 |
| those 55 cuts were people who spent too long on bathroom breaks. who knows? It's BS to counter reality of massive US job cuts | May 25 09:32 | |
| Hey, wow, didn't Sweaty B just get finished chatting up the good people of North Carolina? | May 25 09:33 | |
| http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1520086.html | May 25 09:33 | |
| Now that they buy OOXML, workers get the axe | May 25 09:33 | |
| I hope NC goes Open Office. | May 25 09:33 | |
| and GNU/Linux. | May 25 09:34 | |
| Another article about M$ VOIP problems Response Point in trouble, http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1520086.html | May 25 09:35 | |
| DaemonFC | I ended up getting Office 2007 | May 25 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | OpenOffice always does something bad with any decent amount of formatting | May 25 09:36 |
| did you pay dearly for it, FC? | May 25 09:36 | |
| DaemonFC | no | May 25 09:36 |
| was it cracked? | May 25 09:37 | |
| DaemonFC | no | May 25 09:37 |
| where did you get it? | May 25 09:37 | |
| DaemonFC | MSDN | May 25 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Porting documents between different versions of word and have it not eat your formating is rare too. | May 25 09:37 |
| So, have you tried to use it yet? | May 25 09:37 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 25 09:38 |
| Everyone I know who liked Office hates 2007. | May 25 09:38 | |
| oiaohm | At least OpenOffice produce printable PDF's. | May 25 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | I like the interface | May 25 09:38 |
| oiaohm | Withotu have to jump threw hoops. | May 25 09:38 |
| You would, FC. | May 25 09:38 | |
| oiaohm | And I have never had a formating problem between different versions of openoffice | May 25 09:39 |
| Almost all M$ interfaces annoy me. | May 25 09:39 | |
| oiaohm | I even have some old staroffice docs when staroffice was free that still open perfectly. | May 25 09:39 |
| OO does a good job of what it is supposed to do. | May 25 09:39 | |
| oiaohm | MS Doc format is nightmare even for MS. | May 25 09:39 |
| I used to think OO sucked, then I got my hands on the "real" thing. | May 25 09:40 | |
| ugh. | May 25 09:40 | |
| DaemonFC | OpenOffice is OK if you're broke and need to open a file in a pinch | May 25 09:40 |
| tacone | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/lifehacker/full/~3/xJxgjRvKESo/what-would-you-do-with-a-40-computer | May 25 09:40 |
| many of the problems I have with M$ Office are actually Windows restrictions, like poor networking and printer models. | May 25 09:41 | |
| oiaohm | Have used Openoffice for long term storage. | May 25 09:41 |
| oiaohm | thinking ODF is approved and ms Doc files are not. | May 25 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | local shares are easy | May 25 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | so are shared printers | May 25 09:41 |
| I'd rather have OO any day over Office because long term storage is more important than most of the rest. | May 25 09:41 | |
| DaemonFC | a few clicks and it works | May 25 09:41 |
| If I really need something to look good, I fire up Kile. | May 25 09:42 | |
| oiaohm | I will not say Openoffice is perfect. | May 25 09:42 |
| oiaohm | The means to open up a 7 year old contract without headaches pays for itself. | May 25 09:42 |
| that has always been the downfall of Word and to a small extent Excel too. It did not transfer between computers like a reasonable format should. | May 25 09:43 | |
| Word Perfect did. | May 25 09:43 | |
| oiaohm | They are currnetly looking at reworking the inteface of openoffice by the way. | May 25 09:43 |
| Now OO does. | May 25 09:43 | |
| who, ohm? | May 25 09:44 | |
| the mono people? | May 25 09:44 | |
| lol | May 25 09:44 | |
| How about they make a WYSIWYG LaTex interface that outputs Silverglight documents? | May 25 09:45 | |
| oiaohm | http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance Openoffice core team twitter | May 25 09:45 |
| just as long as it's not a big fat button that looks like a glowing coal. | May 25 09:46 | |
| DaemonFC | OOo is free and worth every penny | May 25 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | it handles its own formats OK | May 25 09:47 |
| oiaohm | http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/Design_Proposals_for_%E2%80%9CAccessing_Functionality%E2%80%9D The first one make the glowing coal button look good. twitter | May 25 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | and it can handle some simple OOXML formatting | May 25 09:48 |
| oiaohm | http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Jaron_Baron << This is what you call a over cooked design twitter | May 25 09:48 |
| oiaohm | OOXML is very hard to support DaemonFC | May 25 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Problem we have here is not even MS Office 2007 produces valid to spec OOXML. | May 25 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, it comes down to you can make MS Office support both | May 25 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | or you can make OOo support Microsoft formats poorly | May 25 09:51 |
| oiaohm | It truely supports neither. | May 25 09:51 |
| oiaohm | MS Office does not support ODF or OOXML really. | May 25 09:51 |
| OOXML is impossible because it is incomplete, contradictory and a sham. | May 25 09:51 | |
| oiaohm | At least openoffice has 1 working. | May 25 09:51 |
| the effort to redesign OO looks rather well organized. | May 25 09:52 | |
| DaemonFC | OOXML files always turn out smaller | May 25 09:52 |
| oiaohm | MS supports there own formats badly. | May 25 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | have you noticed that? | May 25 09:52 |
| I'm impressed, thanks ohm. | May 25 09:52 | |
| I've never noticed M$ formats being small, FC. | May 25 09:52 | |
| oiaohm | The difference having a few paid maintainers makes twitter. | May 25 09:52 |
| so says you. | May 25 09:53 | |
| oiaohm | Blender.org redesign pages I can dig up if you like and you will find they are as nice as openoffices. | May 25 09:53 |
| The Linux kernel also has impressive organization. | May 25 09:53 | |
| oiaohm | Blender works on the formal proposal method. | May 25 09:53 |
| very nice | May 25 09:54 | |
| but in the end, what matters is the code produced | May 25 09:54 | |
| oiaohm | We should expect a lot more in the way of management from open source projects. | May 25 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Well managed helps getting there. | May 25 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Because everyone knows where they are going. | May 25 09:54 |
| oiaohm | The Linux kernel works on the sub project model. | May 25 09:54 |
| If you have an itch and a project, please do manage it well, ohm. | May 25 09:55 | |
| oiaohm | Also keep it close ot well managed. | May 25 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Since itchs go each cat. | May 25 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Most of the fast growing projects have a good organisational struct. | May 25 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | I did like that Torvalds comment about git having unlimited branches | May 25 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Yep that make sure there is enough room to create sub projects. | May 25 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | something like "If you do great work, we can merge it, if you do stupid work, you can keep doing stupid work and it never affects anyone else" | May 25 09:58 |
| oiaohm | That is the sub project model. | May 25 09:58 |
| oiaohm | You throw away the project that don't work and keep those that do. | May 25 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Old cvs system that gnu grew up with was a nightmare. | May 25 09:59 |
| Industry knowledge actually helps people. | May 25 09:59 | |
| " knowledge of the industry's dirty dealings can help people stop smoking" | May 25 10:00 | |
| http://www.prwatch.org/node/8368 | May 25 10:00 | |
| Is the same true for Windows? | May 25 10:00 | |
| oiaohm | To a point. | May 25 10:00 |
| I hope so. | May 25 10:00 | |
| oiaohm | Remember we still have smokers who cannot break there addition. | May 25 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | Camel is sending out free Snus coupons | May 25 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | to try to get smokers to use that instead of quitting | May 25 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | I save up the coupons and the lady at the convenience store gives me $4.27 in store credit per | May 25 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 10:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I practically did a few days of grocery shopping at the tobacco company's expense | May 25 10:02 |
| oiaohm | Mind you Snus stops the secound hand smoke problem. | May 25 10:03 |
| oiaohm | But would mostly increase the risk of jaw cancer. | May 25 10:03 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I don't get any | May 25 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | they just cash the coupons in | May 25 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | and I buy Combos and Mountain Dew | May 25 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 10:05 |
| oiaohm | From containment of damage Snus is most likely works out better than normal smokes. | May 25 10:06 |
| oiaohm | Cancer of jaw is still not nice. | May 25 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | still costs the same | May 25 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | still nasty | May 25 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | still bad for you | May 25 10:07 |
| oiaohm | It bad for you and not everyone around you. | May 25 10:08 |
| tessier | Socialist Party in Spain wants open source on school laptops | May 25 10:09 |
| tessier | http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/212-socialist-party-in-spain-wants-open-source-on-school-laptops | May 25 10:09 |
| oiaohm | It does not block up you means to breath either DaemonFC | May 25 10:09 |
| tessier | That's good news. Just unfortunate that it has to be the socialist party. | May 25 10:09 |
| oiaohm | So you might be able to become a sports junking instead. | May 25 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 25 10:09 |
| The US is socialist, it just does not know it. | May 25 10:12 | |
| tessier | I've lived in a socialist country. The US isn't it. | May 25 10:13 |
| tessier | Although socializing certain things is a good idea. Roads, for example. | May 25 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | the US is a welfare state | May 25 10:13 |
| The US has public education, health, roads, water, art and other community efforts. | May 25 10:13 | |
| tessier | My wife always comments on how great the roads are here. Living in a foreign land and marrying a foreigner has really changed my perspective. | May 25 10:14 |
| tessier | twitter: Those are all things which are wisely socialized. | May 25 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | ClamWin has the slowest scanning engine ever | May 25 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | damn | May 25 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 10:14 |
| Once you get over the fact, it just becomes a matter of how much is taxed and where you spend the money. | May 25 10:14 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have a "take out tax" even | May 25 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | I always walk inside to order so I don't pay that tax | May 25 10:15 |
| tessier | For those half dozen things you list there are many many thousands of non-socialized endeavours underway. | May 25 10:15 |
| tessier | The US has "take out tax"? | May 25 10:15 |
| Followed to it's logical conclusion, public education and healthcare would not suck. | May 25 10:15 | |
| DaemonFC | no | May 25 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | hre it's just a city tax | May 25 10:15 |
| and wealth distribution would not look like the L curve | May 25 10:16 | |
| DaemonFC | there's 4 layers of government | May 25 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | city, county, state, federal | May 25 10:16 |
| tessier | I'm less concerned about the shape of the curve than I am where the middle of that L lies. | May 25 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | all have their own laws | May 25 10:16 |
| tessier | And in the US it's pretty darn high. | May 25 10:16 |
| http://www.lcurve.org/ | May 25 10:16 | |
| DaemonFC | therich control 90% of the wealth and pay 37% of the taxes | May 25 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like a good deal to me | May 25 10:17 |
| tessier | Americans complain far too much for all that they have. | May 25 10:17 |
| look at the curve, tessier | May 25 10:17 | |
| there's a lot of improvement that can happen there. | May 25 10:17 | |
| I had to look at the pdf to realize the curve was correctly displayed on the web page. | May 25 10:18 | |
| The most sickening thing of all is how the ultra rich 1% pay no taxes. | May 25 10:18 | |
| tax money goes to them essentially | May 25 10:19 | |
| and the other 99% pay for all community projects with their money, sweat and lives. | May 25 10:19 | |
| pardon me, 1% is too generous. Only 0.3% of the US earn $1 million a year or more, but those who earn more earn substantially more. | May 25 10:22 | |
| and actual wealth distribution is even more skewed than income. | May 25 10:23 | |
| are the children all sleeping? | May 25 10:44 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/software/page4765.cfm | May 25 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://web.archive.org/web/20050325090822/mpt.phrasewise.com/discuss/msgReader$173 | May 25 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Why Free Software usability tends to suck | May 25 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | flamebait | May 25 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | What I want to know is why nothing proprietary does what it's supposed to do well, but still tries to branch out into doing things nobody ever asked for (Nero) | May 25 10:49 |
| ushimitsudoki | MS has changed the Moonlight covenant on their web site. | May 25 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | so by the time a typical user has Office 2007 (2 gigs), Nero (7 gigs), and Photoshop CS4 (5 gigs) | May 25 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | they have 14 gigs of software to do what 1 gig's worth should | May 25 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2005/dec/08/opensource.software | May 25 10:51 |
| Recap of useful links and commentary: | May 25 10:51 | |
| (02:14:17 AM) twitter: Industry knowledge actually helps people. | May 25 10:51 | |
| (02:14:23 AM) twitter: " knowledge of the industry's dirty dealings can help people stop smoking" | May 25 10:51 | |
| (02:14:33 AM) twitter: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8368 | May 25 10:51 | |
| (02:14:39 AM) twitter: Is the same true for Windows?(01:49:34 AM) twitter: Another article about M$ VOIP problems Response Point in trouble, http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1520086.html(01:47:40 AM) twitter: Hey, wow, didn't Sweaty B just get finished chatting up the good people of North Carolina? | May 25 10:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | If this suite's a success, why is it so buggy? | May 25 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 10:52 |
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| now I sleep. good night. | May 25 10:52 | |
| ushimitsudoki | nn | May 25 10:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I have news from Spain | May 25 11:08 |
| schestowitz | It's not nice | May 25 11:08 |
| schestowitz | I will do a post soon | May 25 11:08 |
| schestowitz | BillG will visit Spain tomorrow | May 25 11:08 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: how was it changed? | May 25 11:09 |
| ushimitsudoki | schestowitz: right now the only thing I have noticed is that it mentions Moonlight version 1.0 and 2. Before it was 1.0 and 1.1 and this was a point I had been making in a few places around the web | May 25 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Use the Web Archive | May 25 11:10 |
| ushimitsudoki | schestowitz: miguel (or someone claiming to be him) said they were trying to get it changed from 1.1 -> 2.0 in response to me on Ars Technica, so I am not surprised at the change | May 25 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Ah OK | May 25 11:11 |
| ushimitsudoki | It breaks my "3 questions about moonlight" that I thought was pretty effective. I will be looking over it again and see if I find something else | May 25 11:12 |
| oiaohm | At least media is starting to be asking questions they should have been. | May 25 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Licence to Use Microsoft Moonlight and Mono Not Possible? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/licence-microsoft-moonlight-mono/ > | May 25 11:16 |
| ushimitsudoki | Sam V is one of the few columnists I've noticed that actually seem to think about what they are writing. | May 25 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | though Go-OO cold start is nearly instant.... | May 25 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | whoa | May 25 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: yes, he is | May 25 11:36 |
| schestowitz | The others just recite conventions | May 25 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Newham hates me. They talk about me in private (I was told this). I've just raised this again.. Bringing that up ought to give encouragement. | May 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Can the United Kingdom and Hungary Still be Sued for Excluding Free Software? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/united-kingdom-hungary-rigging/ > | May 25 11:42 |
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| MinceR | geekings | May 25 12:00 |
| schestowitz | At Microsoft, Interoperability Sabotage Goes All the Way to the Top < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/interoperability-sabotage-gates/ > | May 25 12:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you see the post on Hungary? | May 25 12:08 |
| schestowitz | You guys should contact distriminated-sgainst vendors | May 25 12:08 |
| schestowitz | They can sue | May 25 12:08 |
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| MinceR | i haven't | May 25 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | oops | May 25 12:14 |
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| DaemonFC | it was a remote vulnerability exploited by my ass | May 25 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 25 12:15 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: think of it this way redhat has never run a court case to sue before on restrictions. We have to see how the first case goes for them if redhat wins expect to see more. | May 25 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Months Before Release, Vista 7 Puts Its Vest on and Becomes Fat Like Vista < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/vista-7-becomes-fat-like-vista/ > | May 25 12:42 |
| schestowitz | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/whats-your-favorite-irc-server/ "The most interesting and informative site on the web has a chatroom and can be a great source of realtime scoops and friendly chat. Since Ive started seeing some of my online friends joining me from Microsoft Watch, its developing into a great place to be with Roy friendly and timely with his posts (as always)" | May 25 12:45 |
| schestowitz | ^about #boycottnovell | May 25 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | they probably added some debug code | May 25 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Countries with rigging are far bigger than just United Kingdom and Hungary. | May 25 12:47 |
| schestowitz | "Sara" damage control http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/24/computer-aid-international-versus-olpc/#comment-63972 | May 25 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Reader asks,, "Any idea where 'Sara' posted from." | May 25 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like the case of bringing out a lady to do their PR after a fiasco | May 25 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Reader says: "Thinking about this over the weekend it is odd that a charity would trash the OLPC, unless they were being enthused to do so by his billness? Notice how the anti OLPC rhetoric is all so similar, regardless of source." | May 25 12:48 |
| schestowitz | "A mini-server + ten OLPCs would be ideal in a small African school. Instead of which we have them selling Windows. Remember a Windows PC is one less Linux or Ubuntu." | May 25 12:48 |
| schestowitz | "ps: Ask them how many Ubuntus they install. Ask for an itemized report. Who and what are their donations coming from ?" | May 25 12:48 |
| oiaohm | http://gnuveau.net/ << Stuff from here is more suitable for lots of places. | May 25 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Something else that does not get advertising. | May 25 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Just got a juicy story from Spain... "You can publish it whenever you want. The visit of Bill G. t the Spanish prime minister is tomorrow according to the published news in the adn news site." | May 25 12:52 |
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| mtnd3w | goodmorning | May 25 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, mtnd3w | May 25 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Reader’s Report from Spain: “Bill Gates Meets Tomorrow with Spain’s Prime Minister in Order to Ensure Spanish School Students Get ‘Addicted’” < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/bill-gates-meets-zapatero/ > | May 25 13:35 |
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| mib_o8evm8 | Will developer rebellion uncork the wine? | May 25 14:30 |
| trmanco | http://quality.mozilla.org/events/2009/may/29/firefox-35-rc-1-test-day | May 25 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | mib_o8evm8: wine the program? | May 25 14:34 |
| mib_o8evm8 | Indeed... project has a management problem. | May 25 14:36 |
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| trmanco | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/24/2044239 | May 25 14:40 |
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| mib_o8evm8 | I am sure Microsoft reached a deal with crossover when google invested in wine. | May 25 14:42 |
| mib_o8evm8 | Corel heavily backed Wine, then sold to xandros(!) | May 25 14:44 |
| mib_o8evm8 | and what happend to the reactos core developers... | May 25 14:44 |
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| oiaohm | Nop mib_o8evm8 | May 25 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Crossover if required will leave USA. | May 25 14:48 |
| oiaohm | So MS really cannot enforce patents against them. How do you enforce patents when they will just leave the countries where patents apply. | May 25 14:49 |
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| mib_o8evm8 | and tomtom? | May 25 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Crossover allready has the offsore severs. | May 25 15:03 |
| oiaohm | And a replacement set of leads offsoure. | May 25 15:04 |
| oiaohm | So you are talking less than 12 hours for them to complete the move. | May 25 15:04 |
| oiaohm | For most operatons. tomtom was not setup like that. | May 25 15:04 |
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| oiaohm | The current wine news is a storm in a tea cup. There were a set of quality standards that need to be done. Guess what the dib patch turns out to screwup on Mac OS as broader testing was started. | May 25 15:06 |
| schestowitz | "Eighteen companies are in the law suit but eWeek decides that it is only | May 25 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat alone in the title:" http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/red-hat-sues-switzerland-over-microsoft-monopoly-965 | May 25 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Peter Judge is no FUDster though. | May 25 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Why did they choose this headline? | May 25 15:10 |
| schestowitz | mib_o8evm8: could they use patents? | May 25 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They threatened them before | May 25 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Via Novell | May 25 15:10 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat is the lead legal on that. | May 25 15:10 |
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| oiaohm | Its always wise to get other companies behind you when attacking MS. | May 25 15:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: TomTom had embargo risk | May 25 15:11 |
| trmanco | there goes one -> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583807 | May 25 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Like... well, they have deviced | May 25 15:11 |
| schestowitz | So MS approached the ITC (??) to block imports. | May 25 15:11 |
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| trmanco | I still have another problem | May 25 15:11 |
| schestowitz | It's s/w on some hardware | May 25 15:12 |
| oiaohm | How to you embargo software that is shipped over the internet. | May 25 15:12 |
| Balrog_ | "Does collusion with Microsoft (or favouritism) permit Switzerland- and Quabec-like action to go forward and expand?" | May 25 15:12 |
| schestowitz | So even s/w patents can lead to h/w embargo | May 25 15:12 |
| trmanco | I can't create notes, it also crashes :( | May 25 15:12 |
| Balrog_ | fix the typo ... Quebec | May 25 15:12 |
| oiaohm | crossover don't send out disks. | May 25 15:12 |
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| oiaohm | Tomtom had risk from customoms. | May 25 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: oops. | May 25 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | May 25 15:12 |
| Balrog_ | np | May 25 15:13 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: most of crossover business is straight to customers. | May 25 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Its a different kettle of fish to tomtom. | May 25 15:20 |
| schestowitz | yes, shops | May 25 15:20 |
| schestowitz | And TWO | May 25 15:20 |
| schestowitz | WTO | May 25 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Straight to customers threw online store. | May 25 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Not a operation that is going to be simple to stop with embargos. | May 25 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Stored outside the US | May 25 15:21 |
| schestowitz | *Stores | May 25 15:21 |
| oiaohm | It has mirrors of it current store out side the US. | May 25 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Reason why its just flick a switch. | May 25 15:23 |
| oiaohm | They are ready for war if it ever comes. | May 25 15:24 |
| mib_o8evm8 | Wine project does not progress because of the insane patch rejection. | May 25 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true mib_o8evm8 | May 25 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Wine just has a long QA processes. | May 25 15:54 |
| mib_o8evm8 | a cult around the magic wizard | May 25 15:54 |
| mib_o8evm8 | and the quality of the product is awful. | May 25 15:55 |
| mib_o8evm8 | unusable for most tasks | May 25 15:55 |
| mib_o8evm8 | between 'not yet' and 'not anymore' | May 25 15:56 |
| oiaohm | mib_o8evm8: bad news for you. | May 25 15:56 |
| oiaohm | There was a time when wine would accept any patch of any quality. | May 25 15:56 |
| oiaohm | That lead to the worse nightmare code base. | May 25 15:56 |
| oiaohm | QA might be a little strict but its better than the no QA it had. | May 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Linux is picky | May 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | And Win32 receives no contributions | May 25 15:57 |
| oiaohm | I really do think wine should allow branches. | May 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Not sure about OOo. Copyright assignment is there issue to some people there | May 25 15:57 |
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| oiaohm | for some things. That is what the arguement should have been for. | May 25 15:58 |
| mib_o8evm8 | It is more like: something happens you cannot explain. | May 25 15:58 |
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| mib_o8evm8 | and then the wild worship the gods | May 25 15:58 |
| oiaohm | LOL | May 25 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Shared developer between wine and samba has had no problems getting patches into wine. | May 25 15:59 |
| mib_o8evm8 | or try to bribe the supreme being- | May 25 15:59 |
| oiaohm | The quality controls are not that high. Bigger blocks of code with more test cases than the dib has come from him. | May 25 15:59 |
| mtnd3w | What do you guys think about the Ubuntu AppCenter (AppStore) ? | May 25 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Dib is simple short on what the normal requirements have been. | May 25 15:59 |
| mib_o8evm8 | Because developers are not equal. | May 25 15:59 |
| oiaohm | And someone lose there fuse. | May 25 15:59 |
| oiaohm | You do know broader testing stage was skipped what is a normal requirement for incude. | May 25 16:00 |
| mib_o8evm8 | The normal procedure is that a maintainer delegates, explains the code bases, the community evangelises and is happy | May 25 16:00 |
| mtnd3w | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntu-appstore-in-the-workings/ | May 25 16:01 |
| oiaohm | So no testing with Mac OS BSD or Solarias or a broad range of applciations. | May 25 16:01 |
| mib_o8evm8 | sometimes hard decisions are made. | May 25 16:01 |
| oiaohm | AJ normal rules don't change. | May 25 16:01 |
| tacone | lol | May 25 16:01 |
| tacone | mtnd3w: that's just ramblings | May 25 16:01 |
| mtnd3w | lol | May 25 16:01 |
| oiaohm | AJ is a constant it does annoy people from time time. He has a check list mib_o8evm8 | May 25 16:01 |
| tacone | mtnd3w: why do you ask ? | May 25 16:02 |
| mib_o8evm8 | No maintainance problems inside KDE... | May 25 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes and no mib_o8evm8 | May 25 16:02 |
| mib_o8evm8 | Oh, my patch wasn't accepted. | May 25 16:02 |
| oiaohm | There is a issue between maintainance of advertising and maintainance of source code. | May 25 16:02 |
| oiaohm | They don't always line up mib_o8evm8 | May 25 16:03 |
| mib_o8evm8 | then: yes, it's broken, ask X, and X will explain you, so you become one day Y. No single point of failure. | May 25 16:03 |
| mtnd3w | tacone: I'm just wondering what it will mean in terms of proprietary software access | May 25 16:05 |
| tacone | mtnd3w: it's still a generic question | May 25 16:05 |
| tacone | the paid software enhancement are my guess, based on what i saw | May 25 16:06 |
| mtnd3w | tacone: I don't want Ubuntu to turn into previous distros that tried this but failed because their objectives were to obtain more proprietary sales than improve GNU/Linux | May 25 16:06 |
| tacone | but you can bet your ass that canonical will encourage the development of a proprietary software market | May 25 16:06 |
| mib_o8evm8 | X will explain you? No X is a guru, so he can find it worth to talk for hours about his code. | May 25 16:06 |
| trmanco | ha | May 25 16:07 |
| mtnd3w | tacone: Time to switch to Debian... | May 25 16:07 |
| tacone | well, I just hope it won't become like the iphone appstore, where the free part is just trialware | May 25 16:07 |
| trmanco | just caught another mono dependent app | May 25 16:07 |
| trmanco | graph monkey | May 25 16:07 |
| tacone | mtnd3w: linux will need some software market if it wants to grow | May 25 16:07 |
| mib_o8evm8 | iphone appstore access is a bit like Wine contributions, but they have clear rules. | May 25 16:08 |
| tacone | trmanco: i can suggest you the most scaring one | May 25 16:08 |
| trmanco | which one? | May 25 16:08 |
| tacone | trmanco: at the condition you find the url yourself. | May 25 16:08 |
| trmanco | sure | May 25 16:08 |
| trmanco | lol | May 25 16:08 |
| tacone | trmanco: banshee or gnome-do are not dangerous. because you can substitute them | May 25 16:08 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 25 16:08 |
| tacone | what if I say that someone tried to build a generic plugin installer daemon for gnome ? | May 25 16:09 |
| tacone | that's something that downloads and install, lets say... err.. gedit plugins or stuff like that. | May 25 16:09 |
| trmanco | like packageedit? | May 25 16:09 |
| trmanco | packagekit* | May 25 16:10 |
| tacone | mmh. like those programs which have a plugin structure and look on the internet to let you download plugins. i don't know what packagekit is | May 25 16:10 |
| tacone | the only implementation i know of this mono thing, is deskbar-applet | May 25 16:10 |
| mtnd3w | tacone: I understand but at the price of transparency and freedom. I can only see an influx of mono applications... | May 25 16:10 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Canonical already has other stores for binaries, I think | May 25 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Inc. its own | May 25 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Things like Unison and DB2 | May 25 16:10 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i know. it's the emphasis that will change a bit. and partner repository still lacks an easy pay per buy. | May 25 16:11 |
| oiaohm | mib_o8evm8: wine has clear rules just most developers don't ask what they are and get upset when they think it been unfairly rejected. | May 25 16:11 |
| trmanco | deskbar-applet? | May 25 16:11 |
| trmanco | that isn't mono | May 25 16:11 |
| trmanco | http://www.packagekit.org/ | May 25 16:11 |
| tacone | yes. deskbar-applet had some kind of plugin to use that mono stuff | May 25 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Linspire did something similar | May 25 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Blog repos | May 25 16:12 |
| schestowitz | For a price | May 25 16:12 |
| trmanco | tacone, yeah, if you have beagle installed | May 25 16:13 |
| trmanco | nad tomboy | May 25 16:14 |
| trmanco | and* | May 25 16:14 |
| trmanco | these two work like backends for deskbar applet | May 25 16:14 |
| tacone | i never blogged about it, because i think it's a dead project and i hope it'll die | May 25 16:15 |
| tacone | i have trouble finding its url | May 25 16:16 |
| trmanco | I'm not going to waste my time | May 25 16:18 |
| mib_o8evm8 | Not in the case of the dib engine. Cedega would bankrupt if Wine included it. | May 25 16:25 |
| mib_o8evm8 | The scheme of the governance structure is that its never Stalin's fault because he works day and night to build up socialism. | May 25 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Cedega most of those patches have had to be removed due to nightmares. | May 25 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Cedega still codes by the old rules of wine. | May 25 16:27 |
| oiaohm | As long as it works a applciations it good. | May 25 16:27 |
| mib_o8evm8 | Privileges, power and social status depend on your acclamation for the great leader. | May 25 16:28 |
| tacone | crimsun: sabdfl's boot challenge: 10s. scott (keybuk) has benchmarked upstart+linux 2.6.30+new gdm+Xfce at 8.5s (no kms). | May 25 16:29 |
| mib_o8evm8 | And some comrades and perpetrators are sent Gulag because they need to improve their social skills. | May 25 16:29 |
| oiaohm | mib_o8evm8: you don't get it. Wine is not magically protected from forking. | May 25 16:38 |
| oiaohm | If enough developers are upset they will fork a project mib_o8evm8 | May 25 16:38 |
| oiaohm | The question is why are only a few developers up set with the process mib_o8evm8. | May 25 16:39 |
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| mib_o8evm8 | lock-in | May 25 16:56 |
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| Balrog_ | mib_o8evm8: someone should make a patched wine that has those features | May 25 17:02 |
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| mib_o8evm8 | With progress for Wine Reactos has the potential to kill Microsoft Windows http://www.reactos.org | May 25 17:09 |
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| mtnd3w | mib_o8evm8: i think Reactos will take on the markets left behind after Microsoft stops supporting their older OS | May 25 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Why not Wine? | May 25 17:28 |
| schestowitz | People just need compatibility | May 25 17:28 |
| schestowitz | In some ways, Wine is more compatible with Windows than VIsta is | May 25 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft patronises the EU after well-documented IE crimes: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25225/1023/ | May 25 17:32 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: oh btw: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7343849#post7343849 | May 25 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Typos there.. "livcense" | May 25 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Live licence " :-) | May 25 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Live(R) | May 25 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Live(R) CD | May 25 17:37 |
| schestowitz | With Hotmail and Encarta :-) | May 25 17:37 |
| neighborlee | yup I noticed LOL | May 25 17:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE54O08120090525 | May 25 17:41 |
| neighborlee | oh great ;) | May 25 17:42 |
| neighborlee | more tyrants with toys | May 25 17:42 |
| neighborlee | ;0 | May 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Lie Bush? | May 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | *Like | May 25 17:43 |
| neighborlee | LOL yes,,like our EX presidnet, whom I did not vote for ;)) | May 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Remember that only one country has used nukes in war. | May 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | While imprisoning Japanese (sort of) without charges if they just happen to live in the US | May 25 17:44 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: well, the previous one was never elected, he stole the electiln. | May 25 17:44 |
| neighborlee | yup I know | May 25 17:44 |
| neighborlee | sad but true | May 25 17:45 |
| neighborlee | some deny it of course..but we all get it.. | May 25 17:45 |
| neighborlee | political allies helped steal that one..and supreme court added the nail. | May 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | heh. Anyway, 'nuff politics! :-) | May 25 17:47 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: license fixed..thx for heads up LOL | May 25 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft seems to be burning up its reserves just to keep FOSS dams from bursting | May 25 17:47 |
| schestowitz | City of Vancouver embraces open data, standards and source < http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/05/22/tech-vancouver-open-source-standards-software-city.html?ref=rss > | May 25 17:47 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: I can never get enougth of it sometimes..knowing we're surrounded by those who would rob you blind of your rights etal | May 25 17:48 |
| *schestowitz imagines BillG packing a suitcase with a bag fulla' EDGI, pseudo 'openness' and fake charity | May 25 17:48 | |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: go vancouver ;)) | May 25 17:48 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: so up the road a stretch from here hehe | May 25 17:48 |
| neighborlee | lol | May 25 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Has the US Army declared war on Windows 7? < http://www.itpro.co.uk/blogs/daveyw/2009/05/24/has-the-us-army-declared-war-on-windows-7/ > | May 25 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I just got some confidential info | May 25 17:50 |
| schestowitz | The army is thinking about Linux after the USB infections | May 25 17:50 |
| schestowitz | This is very scary to MS | May 25 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat too is winning many contracts in the army | May 25 17:50 |
| neighborlee | hm | May 25 17:51 |
| neighborlee | usb infectins ? | May 25 17:51 |
| neighborlee | i missed that one | May 25 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Happy RAM/ROM Say: http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2009/05/memorial-day-ascii-art-for-linux-and.html | May 25 17:52 |
| neighborlee | laughable | May 25 17:53 |
| neighborlee | vista..secure...preferrble.. | May 25 17:53 |
| neighborlee | who are they kidding LOL | May 25 17:53 |
| neighborlee | are they going to upgrade those computers to something vista wont run into the ground..hmm ;) | May 25 17:54 |
| neighborlee | I thought army was hot on linux for a time..helping to make linux even MORE secure..what happened to using linux I wonder ;0-0 | May 25 17:54 |
| neighborlee | or was that the navy o_0 | May 25 17:54 |
| schestowitz | CentOS 5.3 (Live CD) has just been released http://www.centos.org/ | May 25 17:58 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: no, it's MS PR | May 25 17:58 |
| schestowitz | it came from MS PR in CNET | May 25 17:58 |
| neighborlee | ahhhhh gotcha | May 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | They are desperate for success story | May 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | how does that NOT surprise me | May 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | yes no doubt of it | May 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | So the Ina Friedshill pulled some non-news | May 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | woah | May 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | centos livecd ?? | May 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | now that IS news | May 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | You know them,.? | May 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | May 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | at least no mono ! ;)) | May 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Centos | May 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | well, true | May 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | BN runs on Centos tooo | May 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | ahhhhh interesting | May 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | So now I'm a fan and supporter | May 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | More than before anyway | May 25 18:00 |
| neighborlee | LOL | May 25 18:00 |
| neighborlee | indeed | May 25 18:00 |
| neighborlee | very good news | May 25 18:00 |
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| neighborlee | 21 Adding support for the x86_64 architecture YES YES ;)) | May 25 18:02 |
| schestowitz | CCTV in UK classes.. Pupils walk out of lessons in protest against Big Brother cameras < http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/4377621.LOUGHTON__Pupils_walk_out_of_lessons_in_protest_against_Big_Brother_cameras/ > | May 25 18:02 |
| neighborlee | was wondering about that..I really need 64bit OS ;)) | May 25 18:02 |
| neighborlee | interesting | May 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | BN runs on 54-bit | May 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | *64 | May 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Two Talibans unite: US talking peace with Taliban, Al-Qaeda associates < http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/11-us-talking-peace-with-taliban--al-qaeda-associates--il--10 > | May 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Will they also give weapons for them to fight the Russian, serve as cannon fodder | May 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | *Russians | May 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | This is disturbing: companies are buying land overseas: http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46724 Feudalism? | May 25 18:05 |
| neighborlee | WOAH | May 25 18:05 |
| neighborlee | man....your the harbinger of news today arent' you ;) | May 25 18:05 |
| neighborlee | taliban unite..us talking peace..OMG | May 25 18:06 |
| neighborlee | o_0 | May 25 18:06 |
| schestowitz | tacone: A cruel end for Italy's asylum-seekers < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/16/italy-asylum-seekers-berlusconi > | May 25 18:06 |
| tacone | lemme see | May 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: yes, it's weird | May 25 18:07 |
| tacone | ah yes | May 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | The last time they 'united' it was against the Soviets and 'communism' | May 25 18:07 |
| tacone | they got criticized for opening lagers in lampedusa | May 25 18:07 |
| tacone | so they tried to get the immigrants into libia's lagers | May 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: more here: Tomgram: The Pressure of an Expanding War < http://tomdispatch.com/post/175074/the_pressure_of_an_expanding_war > | May 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | "Experts who gave a dramatic warning that ecstasy led to brain damage based their study on a huge blunder, reports health editor Jo Revill" http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/sep/07/drugsandalcohol.science | May 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | They give a bad name to explanations that drugs are bad. This gives ammunition to ecstasy users | May 25 18:09 |
| neighborlee | not really | May 25 18:09 |
| neighborlee | one kid died from overdose of it..so its anything but safe ;) | May 25 18:09 |
| neighborlee | sure yo ucan over dose on things..but this is different | May 25 18:10 |
| schestowitz | CHANGE! Err.. no. Not quite. Senate Democrats reject funding for Guantánamo closure < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/close-guantanamo-funding-senate-obama > | May 25 18:10 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: yeah, it's bad like many things | May 25 18:11 |
| mtnd3w | I remember now, it's Click N Run the other App Store, http://www.cnr.com/ | May 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | But making bogus studies hurts the cause | May 25 18:11 |
| mtnd3w | It's was such a bad idea. | May 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Xandros neglected CNR | May 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | CNR sold Lin4Win | May 25 18:11 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: yes it does | May 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Win4Linux | May 25 18:11 |
| neighborlee | I kinda wish cnr had made it..it was good for all of linux I think | May 25 18:12 |
| schestowitz | It's GPLed | May 25 18:12 |
| neighborlee | one united front..kinda like download.com for windows | May 25 18:12 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 25 18:12 |
| schestowitz | We have equivalents | May 25 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Without the smell of Microspire | May 25 18:12 |
| neighborlee | faik that was mint..but we all know that mint is now 100% onboard with mono.. so thats out | May 25 18:12 |
| neighborlee | or do you mean something else | May 25 18:13 |
| schestowitz | New UNIX poster: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/25/unix_poster/ | May 25 18:14 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: Linspire and MS | May 25 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Or Xandros to | May 25 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Better avoided | May 25 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Like Novell -- similar reasons | May 25 18:14 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 25 18:14 |
| neighborlee | they joined ranks sometime ago , yes | May 25 18:15 |
| schestowitz | It's good that MS stpped after TurboLinux | May 25 18:15 |
| schestowitz | SJVN insisted that all vendors would sign a deal | May 25 18:15 |
| schestowitz | He was wrong, I was right | May 25 18:15 |
| schestowitz | No deal since 2007 | May 25 18:15 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 25 18:16 |
| MinceR | who's SJVN? | May 25 18:17 |
| MinceR | also: ugh, times new roman | May 25 18:17 |
| MinceR | i'm surprised they didn't use comic sans instead :> | May 25 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft arms half-wit developers with PHP handgun < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/25/dziuba_microsoft_php/ > | May 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | In the poster? | May 25 18:23 |
| tacone | php: not a threat | May 25 18:23 |
| tacone | ms is paying zend, still it's lagging behind. | May 25 18:23 |
| tacone | php application are simply not done for the ms wimp | May 25 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I've just decided to bring /. back to my reading list. Tossed around 2007/8 for MS boosting | May 25 18:24 |
| tacone | that won't change anytime soon | May 25 18:24 |
| schestowitz | W[IIS]MP | May 25 18:24 |
| tacone | WISPS | May 25 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Zend says 95% of its customers use Linux for their apps | May 25 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Desktop is a little different | May 25 18:25 |
| tacone | windows iis sqlserver php silverlight | May 25 18:25 |
| schestowitz | But Windows can't be trusted with coding. | May 25 18:25 |
| tacone | installing lamp on windows is a pain. but there are bundles out, like wamp | May 25 18:26 |
| tacone | ms needs to spread sql server, but no php application is made to use it. | May 25 18:26 |
| tacone | and that won't change. php is used because its software base. and that's something large enough to not change in 4 years nor in 10. | May 25 18:26 |
| tacone | offlining. | May 25 18:26 |
| tacone | bye | May 25 18:26 |
| schestowitz | WFAIL: Windows f* Apache, promotes IIS at Linux's expense | May 25 18:27 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: yes, in the poster | May 25 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Proceedings of the 14th European Patent Judges' Symposium Now Available http://www.ipjur.com/blog2/index.php?/archives/75-Proceedings-of-the-14th-European-Patent-Judges-Symposium-Now-Available.html | May 25 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Government brainwash via TV: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8386 "The Victorian government has spent $A222,000 on a television program promoting the attraction of living and working in areas outside the major metropolitan areas. The program, ''Changing Places: Life in Provincial Victoria'', was broadcast on commercial television at Easter." | May 25 18:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8383 "FOX's Happening Now program and FOX's Special Report program What wasn't disclosed to USA Today's readers or any of the television viewers was that the Cato Institute's latest annual report (pdf - see page 47) lists its corporate sponsors as including General Motors, Honda, Mazda, Toyota, Volkswagen and the American Petroleum Institute." | May 25 18:37 |
| schestowitz | This just shows to what extent TV is run by governments and corporations that send their messages to couch potatoes. | May 25 18:38 |
| mtnd3w | <neighborlee> faik that was mint..but we all know that mint is now 100% onboard with mono.. so thats out | May 25 18:39 |
| mtnd3w | this is true? | May 25 18:39 |
| mtnd3w | then mint was one of my favorite distros... | May 25 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Because it has mono? | May 25 18:42 |
| schestowitz | What to do if you cannot execute CHMOD < http://relst.nl/site/index.php/handleidingen/209-what-to-do-if-you-cannot-execute-chmod.html > | May 25 18:42 |
| mtnd3w | yes | May 25 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Mint just follows Ubuntu | May 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz | The core of this issue is Ubuntu, which is the patent and model to some others | May 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz | And people like Jo Shields push it in there | May 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Now they do the same for Microsoft Moonlight | May 25 18:43 |
| mtnd3w | Sorry about my late responses, a lot of these terminologies and names I have to research | May 25 18:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-25-004-35-NW-DP-RH-0000 "who knows. maybe the Swiss are rewarding U.S. for having so many "customers" who park their money in Swiss bank accounts to avoid federal income taxes (in the news recently). the average account was worth 1.2 million dollars." | May 25 18:44 |
| mtnd3w | Jo Shields, is? | May 25 18:44 |
| schestowitz | directh3x | May 25 18:44 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee's neighbour | May 25 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Check out the comments in: http://digg.com/microsoft/Microsoft_s_ODF_support_scam | May 25 18:46 |
| schestowitz | The submitter gets abused by the usual bunch | May 25 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Seems like Microsoft's agents perhaps. They do have some, but I am not sure which ones | May 25 18:46 |
| mtnd3w | definitely | May 25 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I had it confirmed | May 25 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Re: Slashdot | May 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | In Digg I got lots of abuse too | May 25 18:48 |
| mtnd3w | I don't use Digg anymore | May 25 18:48 |
| mtnd3w | A lot of the comments there are idiotic. | May 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " twitter " gets TONS of abuse in Slashdot. The people who gang against him... Microsoft PR agencies and spinners | May 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | mtnd3w: well, they got their way then | May 25 18:48 |
| mtnd3w | But you are right Microsoft is pushing social news networks like Digg and reddit. | May 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | The plan is to drive away meaningful discussion | May 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | They do the same thing in USENET | May 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | EVERYWHERE a discussion exists which is damaging to Microsoft | May 25 18:49 |
| mtnd3w | Majority of these retards think Monopoly is a good thing | May 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Novell is smearing me and BN in other sites too... sometimes in our own site, but they get caught | May 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Typical routine for many large companies. Microsoft is just one of the most ruthless in its area. Oil companies and armies do the same thing. | May 25 18:50 |
| mtnd3w | Let me give you a quote I read on them. It's so accurate, it describes them perfectly. | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | They don't think it's a good thing | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | But the person with a monooiy likes his/her | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Those employees by the monopoly will protect their territory too | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | *employed | May 25 18:51 |
| mtnd3w | Yeah this is true. | May 25 18:51 |
| mtnd3w | A lot of companies do this. | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Their shll hAl is editing Wikipedia heavily today | May 25 18:51 |
| mtnd3w | I worked for RCA once and I wrote something honest about them, but they had people spying on forums. | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | They were caught hiring for this | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | To edit articles on document formats | May 25 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: shill alert | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Very high AstroTurfing today | May 25 18:52 |
| mtnd3w | If a company like RCA can do it, I'm pretty certain Microsoft is doing a lot more. | May 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Esp. for OOXML | May 25 18:52 |
| tacone | schestowitz: uri | May 25 18:52 |
| tacone | i will offline soon | May 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | None too specific. I just see it here and there.. | May 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | There should be prison sentences for this stuff | May 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of seeing it | May 25 18:53 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: lol | May 25 18:53 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: nasty thought!! | May 25 18:53 |
| tacone | talking crap should be free :) | May 25 18:53 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: Ubuntu Forums neibour | May 25 18:53 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: 1000 thrashings for that LOL | May 25 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Don't[sic] mean you chums get along | May 25 18:53 |
| schestowitz | "Keep our Mono turd in your own side of the fence" | May 25 18:53 |
| neighborlee | lol | May 25 18:54 |
| tacone | ubuntuforums have directhex marking as shit every mono concern, without any external reference | May 25 18:54 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 25 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Mono Guard | May 25 18:54 |
| neighborlee | and ones that get out of control, from their point of view is either removed,or sent to HELL LOL | May 25 18:54 |
| neighborlee | hell-recurring discussions, so debate is squashed. | May 25 18:55 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/21/mono-guard-alternatealias/ | May 25 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just another shilll | May 25 18:55 |
| schestowitz | But whose?\ | May 25 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's? Novell's? Ignorance's? | May 25 18:55 |
| mtnd3w | lol | May 25 18:55 |
| mtnd3w | ROFL: “I do C# programming on Linux for a living using Mono, so there are definitely jobs out there - and more companies seem to be moving to Mono every week if you pay attention to the Mono mailing lists.” | May 25 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | They build it up for EEE | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Just like with ODF | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can't quite get the EMbrace yet | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | So Jo et al help them | May 25 18:56 |
| mtnd3w | I always check the join dates, thats what gives them away! | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Naaa.. | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | You expose them then activity helt | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | They create a new account | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Illusion of pluralit | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Illusion of plurality | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Some Microsoft Munchkins in USENET have used HUNDREDS of names | May 25 18:57 |
| mtnd3w | Do you know any forum admins? | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | One paycheck, many 'people' | May 25 18:57 |
| mtnd3w | that can track user IP? | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | In Ubuntu? No. | May 25 18:58 |
| mtnd3w | Yeah... | May 25 18:58 |
| mtnd3w | I have a question about Mono .Net C# | May 25 18:58 |
| mtnd3w | The pro-mono always make an argument about lack of virtual machine languages | May 25 18:59 |
| mtnd3w | Is why Mono exists... | May 25 18:59 |
| mtnd3w | And I don't haven an extensive background into programming to understand that. | May 25 18:59 |
| mtnd3w | But it seems like such a bogus argument for Mono. | May 25 19:00 |
| Balrog | mtnd3w: JAVA? | May 25 19:01 |
| Balrog | llvm? | May 25 19:01 |
| neighborlee | well in light of the new ECMA info....you could say its a bit..bogus yes ;)),,,who ever said we could trust mono in the first place...certainly weren't friends of linux given Microsofts LONG history of attacking linux..its laughable. | May 25 19:02 |
| Balrog | llvm will probably become important over the next few years | May 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: exactly | May 25 19:02 |
| neighborlee | I never liked java..but I would get used to it if I had to ;)...I use python in panda3d for our game development | May 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: .NET is a Java wannabe, Mono is a .NET wannabe. Java is GPL. So why not use the Real Thing? Why the wannabe of a wannabe? | May 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Answer: | May 25 19:03 |
| mtnd3w | neighborlee: This is a point I always argue when showing the trojan virus that Mono really is. | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is still afraod of Java | May 25 19:03 |
| Balrog | python is an interpreted language | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | At all costs Microsoft wants to harm Java | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | And other things | May 25 19:03 |
| neighborlee | Balrog: yes it is | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Like Web technolgies | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Replace PHP with Monolight[sic] | May 25 19:03 |
| neighborlee | Balrog: but it works for many things, and if it doens't you write those segments in c++ | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I's disgsuting | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Novell is just a de facto subsidiary of Microsoft | May 25 19:03 |
| Balrog | yeah. | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | It's like CItrix | May 25 19:03 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: indeed they are | May 25 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Minutes ago: "I really do not want Mono, so this was a lovely, simple way out." http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/08/04/how-to-remove-mono-m-from-ubuntu-hardy-heron/#comments | May 25 19:04 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: just try and install opensuse and later remove mono..it used to be IMPOSSIBLE..maybe that has changed but I would seriously doubt it | May 25 19:04 |
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| neighborlee | impossible , as in tons of 'warnings'.. | May 25 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Another nice new win: Aussie prisoners escape lock-in with Ubuntu PCs < http://www.itnews.com.au/News/103988,aussie-prisoners-escape-lockin-with-ubuntu-pcs.aspx > | May 25 19:07 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: what kind of warningS? | May 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Like telemarketing? | May 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | "We're sorry, but our deal with Microsoft requires that you keep Mono and love it very, very much. Proceed? [Y|y]" | May 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Linux 2.6.30 final is a step closer now: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/5/23/121 | May 25 19:11 |
| schestowitz | A lot of charities are like this... they need to be challenged. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/24/computer-aid-international-versus-olpc/#comment-63972 | May 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Someone says: "...Am I being too cynical are they doing good work, or are they making a good living out of it, on the backs of the unemployed, who don't even get a free PC ? You get the cost of travel and the price of a sandwich" | May 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Discussion about GIMP UI is baaaack. http://www.gimpusers.com/news/2009-05-25/gimp-user-interface-lgm-talks.html (The future of GIMP's User Interface) | May 25 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | WorkwithU spends a lot of time ranting about ubuntu: ... http://www.workswithu.com/2009/05/25/why-open-bug-reporting-fails/ | May 25 19:24 |
| schestowitz | That Christopher Tozzi dude in particular usually complains about something in Ubuntu. Joe is the optimist, oddly enough | May 25 19:25 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Mandriva's answer to Ubuntu One : Click'n' Backup < http://www.techenclave.com/open-source-and-linux/mandrivas-answer-ubuntu-one-clickn-backup-136709.html > | May 25 19:26 |
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| _Goblin | Having tested Ubuntu One for over a week, I can't see anything new over say Dropbox. Infact the lack of a cross platform client could be detrimental to it. | May 25 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Hey, _Goblin, better spend good words promoting Linux, not feeding the shills | May 25 19:42 |
| schestowitz | It only encourages them to stay :-) | May 25 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Vista launch best argument for Linux says IBM exec < http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=7889218C-1A64-67EA-E47CCAF55A45B763 > | May 25 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... as MS said in 2006, "last nail on the Linux caffin" | May 25 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Vista - almost "last nail on the MO coffin" | May 25 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 - "last nail on the MS' coffin" | May 25 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Some more new Linux from IBM: http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh052609-story02.html | May 25 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I managed to make a typo in each line up there :-) | May 25 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux speaks to Nintendo, sort of: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10248625-1.html | May 25 19:46 |
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| Omar871 | Hi all | May 25 20:00 |
| Omar871 | I've been wondering lately: Is there any real difference between Java and C#, in terms of capabilities and functionality? | May 25 20:00 |
| schestowitz | java is not just a P/L | May 25 20:00 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Come again? | May 25 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Novell-Puig Design in Barcelona" http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/ariel-schwartz/sustainability/mits-bus-stop-future-0 | May 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: p/l= programming language] | May 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Java is MASSIVE | May 25 20:04 |
| tacone | sun appstore, anyone ? | May 25 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computeraid.org/vifoss.htm | May 25 20:15 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Java shop | May 25 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. "Email, lots of people about the website, so as ny IP address won't be the only one to pop up in the log files..." Click the above | May 25 20:15 |
| Vista was the last nail in M$'s coffin. It took them six years to build that junk, so everyone knows they won't be able to fix it anytime soon. Windows is a dead end. | May 25 20:20 | |
| schestowitz | Not just Vista | May 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 too | May 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Read the latest in Bn. Second from top | May 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | I am going to process some more news links | May 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Lotsa goodies for Linux on memorial day | May 25 20:21 |
| I'm reading the IBM guy. He does not yet see it as a non free software failure thing. | May 25 20:22 | |
| promotes Mac and other "alternatives" | May 25 20:22 | |
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| Those who consider things for a while realize that Vista is a posterboy for all that's wrong with non free software. If a company with the size and advantages of M$ can't make it work, no one can. | May 25 20:23 | |
| ah, he quotes the Freedom Dynamics report. I like that. | May 25 20:24 | |
| Take away message that's repeated over and over: Don't be distracted by the Windows fanboys who are, " emotionally or practically wedded to Windows." | May 25 20:25 | |
| I think Vista eliminated all but a handful of the emotional types. All that's left is astroturf and people with money on the line who are too lazy to retrain. | May 25 20:27 | |
| If ignoring the fanboys to deploy on non technical user desktops is not a "full frontal assault" on M$'s little monopoly, I'm not sure what is. The end is near for M$. | May 25 20:28 | |
| now to see what good news BN has collected, that's always fun. :) | May 25 20:29 | |
| schestowitz | Who? | May 25 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Sutor? | May 25 20:29 |
| schestowitz | He's not a Linux guy fully. | May 25 20:30 |
| schestowitz | He promotes it on Fod Computing | May 25 20:30 |
| schestowitz | And he uses Ubuntu *And* a Mac | May 25 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Rob Weird would be more about Linux than him, IIRC | May 25 20:30 |
| schestowitz | *Weir | May 25 20:30 |
| MinceR | funny typo | May 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Common | May 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | He jokes about it too | May 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Anotherbuntu: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/138367 (SIGINT: Ubuntu Privacy Remix) | May 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Making One's Own Distribution is Very Reasonable http://www.markwilson.co.uk/blog/2009/05/handy-linux-distro-that-can-be-built-on-the-fly.htm | May 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Free Software values of Openness to Hopefully Inspire Politicians http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/25/barcamp_oxford/ | May 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Watch out for software patents in EU http://www.edri.org/edri-gram/number7.10/upls-software-patents and UK http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2009/05/aerotel-yet-again.html | May 25 21:14 |
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| tessier | RedHat sues Switzerland....not so neutral afterall, are they? | May 25 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Naa.. There was the 'swiss cheese' incident too | May 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft grew a little cult there. | May 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I Was Wrong! Alan Greenspan < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55-A1-D3MR0&feature=related > | May 25 21:33 |
| _Goblin | hi all | May 25 21:44 |
| hello | May 25 21:44 | |
| _Goblin | found a little cracker called Hadron on the NG's. (or as another shill typo'd and called him "Hardon") | May 25 21:45 |
| Nice quoting and context for the Gates deposition news, Roy. | May 25 21:47 | |
| tessier | European ignorance and hostility to open source and free software is such that a group has launched a pact for candidates in the forthcoming European elections to sign,.pledging support for free software. | May 25 21:49 |
| tessier | I thought Free Software was more popular in Europe than in the US? | May 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Not the UK | May 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I know the guy who launched the pact | May 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes correspond or chat with him. The UK might even be worse than the UK at FOSS adoption | May 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | France and Germany, by contrast, are moving to libre fast | May 25 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Latest Linux news for today: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/canberra-jail-moves-ubuntu/ | May 25 21:55 |
| neonfloss | the nerve of those people. they are giving them better computers than the average american ;) | May 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | They already have lock-in (cell). One Cell Per Child... some have Windows | May 25 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | "90% of IT professionals have had direct experience with Linux on the desktop! http://ping.fm/wH4Ir Thx @sjvn @schestowitz" | May 25 22:40 |
| schestowitz | :-) "Australian prison uses Linux PCs to train prisoners to find jobs after their release http://is.gd/DFwM Thx @schestowitz" | May 25 22:41 |
| schestowitz | A lot of work is being done to obscure The Facts | May 25 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Is the United Kingdom Immune to Software Patents? Continental Europe is… for Now… Sort of… < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/united-kingdom-symbian-update/ > | May 25 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Novell Ghostwrites Articles to Improve Its Public Image < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/novell-ghostwrites-articles/ > | May 25 22:51 |
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| trmanco | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/attacking-linux-hadron-style/ | May 25 23:04 |
| trmanco | loool | May 25 23:04 |
| trmanco | oh | May 25 23:04 |
| trmanco | you're here | May 25 23:04 |
| trmanco | hey _Goblin | May 25 23:04 |
| _Goblin | hi | May 25 23:08 |
| trmanco | nice post | May 25 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I have a good post coming | May 25 23:11 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin will like it | May 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | It's his turf | May 25 23:12 |
| _Goblin | I hope it has a star trek theme..... | May 25 23:12 |
| trmanco | hehe | May 25 23:12 |
| trmanco | I finally found what was crashing gnote | May 25 23:12 |
| trmanco | it was a broken library that I had installed | May 25 23:13 |
| trmanco | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583825 | May 25 23:13 |
| schestowitz | *ROTFLMAO* @http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/attacking-linux-hadron-style/ | May 25 23:14 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 25 23:14 |
| trmanco | neat | May 25 23:14 |
| schestowitz | We need to get the hadron a helmet | May 25 23:14 |
| schestowitz | All those collision made that crature a total nutjob | May 25 23:14 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it does | May 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | One of the cites bits | May 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | About Captain Kirk | May 25 23:15 |
| _Goblin | :) | May 25 23:15 |
| _Goblin | Although youre going to have to go some when another shiller on the NG's (whilst insulting me with a "wet dream" comment) called the number one MS troll "Hardon" instead of "Hadron"...I couldn't resist jumping on that... | May 25 23:17 |
| _Goblin | it seems theres been a sci fi theme to the bank holiday weekend.... | May 25 23:18 |
| _Goblin | In respect of the "Boldly Blow" article, I was miffed with Youtube... | May 25 23:28 |
| _Goblin | I had wanted to end the article on the clip of StarTrek the Undiscovered Country where the Excelsior tries to go to warp, stalls and its computers crash.... | May 25 23:29 |
| _Goblin | I was going to suggest that maybe Starfleet had invested in the feature rich Vista. | May 25 23:29 |
| _Goblin | or its Vista 7 RC had reached its time limit and was shutting down every two hours. | May 25 23:30 |
| schestowitz | StarDrek did seem to make some mileage today | May 25 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know it was a theme | May 25 23:30 |
| schestowitz | It's Memeorial Day anyway (For some) | May 25 23:30 |
| _Goblin | an unintentional one... | May 25 23:30 |
| _Goblin | I've found recently the shill posters have become so desperate there's not much really to challenge and because of that they are making mistakes... | May 25 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Now it's cursing | May 25 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Wait until they call us "stalins" and "hitlers" because MS is drowning | May 25 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I've seen things close to that | May 25 23:32 |
| _Goblin | with the majority of them its far better just to make them look silly. The "Hardon" comment said it all. | May 25 23:32 |
| schestowitz | That's when desparation strikes | May 25 23:32 |
| schestowitz | When MS margins erode for starters | May 25 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Hardon's Quirky | May 25 23:32 |
| _Goblin | I had one suggest to me that my actions would make people unemployed... | May 25 23:32 |
| _Goblin | am I supposed to feel remorse? | May 25 23:33 |
| _Goblin | I took it as a compliment though. | May 25 23:33 |
| _Goblin | To think that he believed I was so important. | May 25 23:33 |
| _Goblin | which of course I'm not. | May 25 23:33 |
| _Goblin | theres too many people saying exactly the same thing as me..Im sure Roy you get just as many mails (probably alot more) | May 25 23:34 |
| _Goblin | Where's DaemonFC gone? | May 25 23:35 |
| _Goblin | I liked him. | May 25 23:35 |
| _Goblin | He might have been a liar, but he was a loveable one. | May 25 23:35 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet/eWeek Ruins Peter Judge’s Good Article by Attacking Red Hat When Microsoft Does the Crime < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/25/zdnet-ruins-peter-judge-article/ > | May 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Also a punch at Ziff Davis | May 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Like MS Watch | May 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | They are in Microsoft's pocket | May 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I included refs in case you're new to the money connection | May 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | "<_Goblin> I had one suggest to me that my actions would make people unemployed..." | May 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Bulls* | May 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It's Microsoft that got many people unemployed | May 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Netscape | May 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Corel | May 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Sun | May 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Borland | May 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | .. | May 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | And what for? | May 25 23:40 |
| _Goblin | Maybe the new threat to Microsoft is OpenBytes!?!?! ;) | May 25 23:41 |
| schestowitz | So that a few billionaire executives can make bigger piles and then set up some 'foundation' which rids them from tax payments | May 25 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: maybe | May 25 23:41 |
| schestowitz | It ain't helping them | May 25 23:41 |
| _Goblin | Maybe he's suggesting that I can do with a free blog from Wordpress, what no other company has been able to.... | May 25 23:41 |
| _Goblin | If thats the case I'm in the wrong job. | May 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | At WordPress you're immune to DDOS | May 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Unlike us | May 25 23:42 |
| _Goblin | I'm not a vindictive person though. Once Openbytes has taken down Microsoft I have a job as a caretaker for Steve Ballmer. | May 25 23:43 |
| _Goblin | back in the real world... | May 25 23:43 |
| _Goblin | I think that Microsoft is in for a massive shock with Vista 7 | May 25 23:43 |
| MinceR | people don't want vista even if it has a different name and skin? :> | May 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Ah | May 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | /. published the propaganda lies headline: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/S9sj_KjtfpQ/article.pl | May 25 23:44 |
| _Goblin | from the IT uninterested I have spoken with, they neither wanted not were aware of Vista 7. | May 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | It has only been 1 DAY! | May 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | half a day | May 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | back to my trash goes /. | May 25 23:44 |
| _Goblin | *not should read *nor | May 25 23:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Mojave has a new skin? | May 25 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Crocodile skin... | May 25 23:45 |
| MinceR | mojave was a new skin too | May 25 23:45 |
| MinceR | perhaps m$ believed their own lies about it? | May 25 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Speaking od crocodiles: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/02/ballmer_tongue.jpg | May 25 23:46 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I sish you luck in that career of a caretaker for Steve Ballmer | May 25 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Watch out for your finger | May 25 23:46 |
| *schestowitz thinks of Claris and Hannibal | May 25 23:46 | |
| MinceR | hm, did mojave get a different skin from vista? | May 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | /sish/wish/ | May 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | May 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | And they renamed "Mojave" "7" | May 25 23:47 |
| _Goblin | lol Offtopic for a second: I've migrated a PC completely to AROS...Im very impressed... | May 25 23:47 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: lol | May 25 23:47 |
| MinceR | how much of AROS is working now? | May 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | HAHA | May 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | ARSE OS | May 25 23:48 |
| _Goblin | basic net functionality..few apps, but where it shines is... | May 25 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Does it do .txt files? ;-p | May 25 23:49 |
| _Goblin | UAE support, speed and Amigaishness | May 25 23:49 |
| _Goblin | although since its origins are based sqaurely with the Amiga OS, its partial to the memory leaks of its parent....just waiting for Guru Meditation. | May 25 23:50 |
| *schestowitz dumps /. again | May 25 23:51 | |
| MinceR | _Goblin: does it do multiuser and file access control? | May 25 23:52 |
| _Goblin | Not yet. Ive really been using it on its own PC in conjunction with Catweasel for the "truest" possible Amiga experience.... | May 25 23:54 |
| _Goblin | It does though seem to offer more/less features depending on your rig.. | May 25 23:54 |
| MinceR | so it's planned? | May 25 23:54 |
| _Goblin | couldn't get online at all with the 64bit version. | May 25 23:54 |
| _Goblin | Pass. | May 25 23:55 |
| MinceR | also, do they plan to do something with that horribly ugly gui? :> | May 25 23:55 |
| _Goblin | Ugly? | May 25 23:55 |
| MinceR | 8x8 bitmap fonts in 2009? please. | May 25 23:55 |
| MinceR | (at least the screenshot i saw did that) | May 25 23:55 |
| _Goblin | It wouldnt be so lovely if it did. For the Amiga worshippers like myself, we wouldn't have it any other way. | May 25 23:56 |
| MinceR | :) | May 25 23:56 |
| _Goblin | or is it just me? hankering after better days? | May 25 23:56 |
| MinceR | apparently they can do proportional fonts after all | May 25 23:57 |
| MinceR | no antialiasing though | May 25 23:57 |
| _Goblin | I remember the ST/Amiga wars. They were not a patch on Microsoft V Everyone else. | May 25 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Puppy Linux 4.2.1 < http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/71-puppy-linux-421 > Watch the graphics. Star Warsy | May 25 23:57 |
| _Goblin | Good distro. | May 25 23:57 |
| MinceR | i think the better days lie in the future | May 25 23:57 |
| _Goblin | @MinceR: I don't think Microsoft would agree with you. | May 25 23:58 |
| MinceR | when the dominance of m$ will be gone and kde4 will be stable :> | May 25 23:58 |
| _Goblin | This may suprise you, but Im worried about MS's loss of the market.... | May 25 23:58 |
| MinceR | why? | May 25 23:58 |
| _Goblin | If we had mass migration to Linux (for eg) what would happen to the platform...... | May 25 23:59 |
| MinceR | maybe even apple will find its place | May 25 23:59 |
| MinceR | (web-browsing appliances for really stupid people, without being called "computers") | May 25 23:59 |
| _Goblin | would it become another bloated Vista where every whim of its users are pandered to with an add-on and tacked on code... | May 25 23:59 |
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