IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: May 27th, 2009

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schestowitzHeyMay 27 06:04
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twitterhelloMay 27 06:11
twitterI enjoyed today's news.  Thanks.May 27 06:11
schestowitzI'll do 4 posts in  a kmomentMay 27 06:11
schestowitzThe devolution (of MS) will be televisedMay 27 06:12
schestowitzThen, we Linux users can get some restMay 27 06:12
twitter6 AM over there.  You have had a long, long day.May 27 06:13
twitterI've been thinking about the rather obvious implications of M$ playing the patent card.  It undoes so many non free software lies.May 27 06:14
schestowitzSome program I started running is leaking memory. Any tools to identify which it is?May 27 06:14
twittertop?May 27 06:14
schestowitzWill it shows?May 27 06:14
schestowitzI use it alreadyMay 27 06:14
schestowitzIt won't show where memory vanishedMay 27 06:14
twitterIt should, I think.May 27 06:14
schestowitzAfter a couple of weeks running there's lots of swappingMay 27 06:15
twitterthe kernel should keep track of what requests memory, so it does not just vanishMay 27 06:15
twitterI've noticed a lot of website java script has gotten uglier lately.May 27 06:16
twitterwastes lots of processor and memoryMay 27 06:16
twitterclosing out my browsers stopped thatMay 27 06:16
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schestowitzUse NoScriptMay 27 06:19
schestowitzIt gets worse if you see just how many domsins spy on youMay 27 06:19
schestowitzSMay 27 06:19
schestowitzThe 'big sites' use like 10 domain spying on you (with Scripting even)May 27 06:19
schestowitzThey don't give a s* about your performance. Many people don't even utilise tabs anywayMay 27 06:20
*schestowitz stopped tracking stats in BNMay 27 06:20
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fewathere needs to be somewhere to list all the microsoft shills on wikipediaMay 27 06:21
schestowitzWe have a fewMay 27 06:22
schestowitzWe can set up a Wiki pageMay 27 06:22
schestowitzWill you helpMay 27 06:22
fewaso a collection of editors can catch the obvious stuffMay 27 06:23
fewayeahMay 27 06:23
schestowitzThanks.May 27 06:23
twittercoolMay 27 06:23
schestowitzI will start a pageMay 27 06:23
schestowitzHold on.May 27 06:23
schestowitzfewa: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/People_who_edit_Wikipedia_for_MicrosoftMay 27 06:26
schestowitzI've made a startMay 27 06:26
schestowitzAdd those whom you know about, preferably with proof in the form of a link or something.May 27 06:26
fewayouve already hot hAl :PMay 27 06:28
twitteradd what you know, examples helpMay 27 06:29
schestowitzHeh. YeahMay 27 06:30
schestowitzHal was an obvious one for MOOX/ODFMay 27 06:30
schestowitzHe has been very busy recentlyMay 27 06:30
schestowitzI track his editsMay 27 06:31
fewawhat about GhettoblasterMay 27 06:31
schestowitzfewa: anything you add will provide valuable. We'll organise the Wiki a lot better in the near future, maybe next monthMay 27 06:31
schestowitzfewa: add him with a linkMay 27 06:31
schestowitzMaybe with direct link to edit so that people can seeMay 27 06:32
fewawhich name is hAl?May 27 06:32
fewaAlbert ZonneveldMay 27 06:32
schestowitzYesMay 27 06:34
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schestowitzUbuntu’s Mono Booster Calls it “Monobuntu” < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/monobuntu-coined/ >May 27 06:54
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schestowitzEuropean Commission fines allegedly returned to Microsoft via Romania < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/microsoft-and-romania-fines/  >May 27 07:19
fewahttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/People_who_edit_Wikipedia_for_MicrosoftMay 27 07:39
fewastill too many linksMay 27 07:40
fewahis history is a pain cause he marks every edit as minorMay 27 07:40
schestowitzAh!May 27 07:48
schestowitzI love it when they add microsoft.com or MSDN citesMay 27 07:48
schestowitzhAl does this tooMay 27 07:48
schestowitzIt's like they work for the company via a PR agency like EdelmanMay 27 07:48
fewaeven when they have absolutely nothing to do with what they are citingMay 27 07:48
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenDocument_software&diff=prev&oldid=292547790May 27 07:48
fewawasnt that goodMay 27 07:49
schestowitz*LOL* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interop_Vendor_AllianceMay 27 07:49
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Interop_Vendor_AllianceMay 27 07:50
schestowitzYou should see their vandalism of bios like Bill Gates and BallmerMay 27 07:50
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft&diff=291380491&oldid=291379643May 27 07:52
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft&diff=291706598&oldid=291640139May 27 07:52
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft&diff=292169210&oldid=292146244May 27 07:52
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft&diff=292287303&oldid=292273363May 27 07:52
schestowitzHAl May 27 07:53
schestowitzWTF?May 27 07:53
schestowitzWhat he is, a shill?May 27 07:53
schestowitzAnd they got angry at me for showing his identityMay 27 07:53
schestowitzHe shills in Dutch Web sites tooMay 27 07:54
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ghettoblaster#November_2008May 27 07:57
fewa"No, sadly not. However, Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman don't pay me either. I've got a real job in real life in the real world. "May 27 07:57
fewathey are so arrogentMay 27 07:58
schestowitzMaybe MS partnersMay 27 08:02
schestowitzEither way, they do it for their gainMay 27 08:02
schestowitzIntel Allegedly Colludes with Microsoft (Again) to Elevate Profit, Promote Windows < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/intel-microsoft-cartel/ >May 27 08:02
schestowitzMicrosoft got caughtMay 27 08:03
schestowitzOffering money for 'independent' consultants to edit WikipediaMay 27 08:03
fewawhenever someone turns to linux microsoft cuts them in on some doughMay 27 08:05
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schestowitzfewa: yes, nations toMay 27 08:07
schestowitz*tooMay 27 08:07
schestowitzNot just OEMsMay 27 08:07
schestowitzThey can't bribe foreverMay 27 08:07
fewaits not just discounts like they want you to believeMay 27 08:07
fewaits kinda a bad treadmill they are getting themselves intoMay 27 08:09
fewaas they push their users more their users get more pissed off, but they respond with just more lockingMay 27 08:09
schestowitzYes, indeed.May 27 08:18
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schestowitzName it “Bing” or “Kumo” or “Live” or “MSN”, But it is Dead on Arrival < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/bing-or-kumo-dead-on-arrival/ >May 27 08:31
schestowitzGnote Explodes in Popularity < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/gnote-submitters-up-sharply/ >May 27 08:48
fewahttp://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/ : lol "microsoft works preinstalled"May 27 08:51
schestowitz[odf-discuss] Developers Redherring (was Re: Thumbs up for open source as UK backs ODF) < http://lists.opendocumentfellowship.com/pipermail/odf-discuss/2009-March/007897.html >May 27 08:51
schestowitzfewa: shame on the, yeah.May 27 08:52
schestowitzIt's probably the paid-for endorsementMay 27 08:52
schestowitzLike "recommends Vista"May 27 08:52
schestowitzMicrosoft pays for this mind share-collecting follyMay 27 08:52
fewabut its halarious cause works is the biggest POS everMay 27 08:52
fewaeven microsoft supports that, cause it means people have to pay $$ for officeMay 27 08:53
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oiaohmhttp://www.osnews.com/story/21564/Building_a_Hackintosh_Apple_Can_t_Sue_You_For  Get a bit hard to control a lock down when you don't control the core.May 27 08:57
fewaerrr no HT, should use a supported CPUMay 27 09:01
fewai still wonder why apple chose Intel over AMDMay 27 09:01
fewaif they went AMD they could have shipped x86_32 and went straight to x86_64May 27 09:02
oiaohmMost likely volume discount fewaMay 27 09:03
fewaaccording the the intel settlement AMD was giving away 1 million free CPUs and the OEM couldnt take themMay 27 09:03
oiaohmTake other brand CPU's you no longer get volume discount from intel.May 27 09:06
schestowitzJudge Rejects Seizure Of Student's Computer Over Suspicious Activity... Such As Using A Command Line http://techdirt.com/articles/20090525/1626124999.shtmlMay 27 09:06
oiaohmWas the problem.May 27 09:06
oiaohmhttp://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/26/technology-giant-plans-open-source-channel-partner-initiative/   <<  One of MS big partners lining up to jump ship.May 27 09:06
schestowitzSony Pictures CEO: The Internet Is Still Bad < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090526/1159125014.shtml >May 27 09:13
schestowitzDRM and rootkits -- goodMay 27 09:13
fewawasnt that one halariousMay 27 09:13
schestowitzWhich one?May 27 09:14
fewaSonyMay 27 09:14
fewapissed that the internet puts users in controlMay 27 09:14
schestowitzYesMay 27 09:14
schestowitzNot the first timeMay 27 09:15
schestowitzTexting Is Wrecking Your Teenager's Mind, Destroying Their Thumbs, Killing Puppies, Etc. < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090526/0903535010.shtml >May 27 09:15
schestowitzResistance to change is all it isMay 27 09:15
schestowitzSpeaking of Internet suppresion, I just got this: "It looks like Ken Thompson's valuable speech might be pushed another step towards the bit-bucket:May 27 09:17
schestowitz http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.htmlMay 27 09:17
schestowitz http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/May 27 09:17
schestowitzIt was hosted by the ACM with free access for over 12 years, then got locked down.May 27 09:17
schestowitz http://www.acm.org/classics/oct95/May 27 09:17
schestowitzNow even Ken's account at Bell Labs seems gone."May 27 09:17
schestowitzGot a copy?May 27 09:17
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/May 27 09:17
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.htmlMay 27 09:17
schestowitz"We're sorry, access to http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt."May 27 09:17
schestowitzoiaohm: Great Australian Firewall may be optional < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/australia_coms_minister_net_filter_voluntary_industry_code_comments/ >May 27 09:18
fewashitMay 27 09:18
fewasomeone make a copyMay 27 09:19
fewahttp://web.mit.edu/6.033/2002/wwwdocs/handouts/h25-review2slides2.pdf slide showMay 27 09:19
fewahttp://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1283940 paywallMay 27 09:21
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fewahttp://orkinos.cmpe.boun.edu.tr/~kosar/ken/index.html bingoMay 27 09:22
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oiaohmIn the trail even when the firewall was off particular sites remained blocked schestowitzMay 27 09:25
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fewaone more reason why the whole internet should be encryptedMay 27 09:25
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oiaohmfewa do you know the side effects of that fewaMay 27 09:26
fewawhatMay 27 09:26
oiaohmIf the whole internet was encrypted there would be no caching.May 27 09:26
fewathere could be cachingMay 27 09:26
oiaohmWhere.May 27 09:26
fewait would just have to use differnt encryption methodsMay 27 09:26
oiaohmISP caching keeps on top of a lot of speed problems.May 27 09:27
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oiaohmOnce you are caching you can filter.May 27 09:27
fewabut i see your pointMay 27 09:27
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fewayou could cache on hashes or somethingMay 27 09:28
fewawith PKI backingMay 27 09:28
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schestowitzUS Breeds Software Patents < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/software-patents-in-the-united-states/ >May 27 09:49
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_Hicham_Hi All!May 27 09:53
oiaohmfewa: if you try caching by hashes they are not perfect you will end up destroying data stream.May 27 09:53
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schestowitzBug 421: Wine Developers Upset About Maintainer  < http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/bug_421_wine_developers_upset_about_maintainer >May 27 10:18
schestowitzFree Software To Become A Euro Election Issue < http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/free-software-to-become-a-euro-election-issue-967 >May 27 10:19
schestowitzSpace filler: Linux Today Readers Speak: Foiling Your Sysadmin, Monopoly, Mono, and Linux Is a Kernel, Dangit! < http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/05/ltreaders.html >May 27 10:21
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oiaohmWe have gone 7 years without anyone yelling at AJ at wine.May 27 10:33
schestowitztacone's article ripoff.. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-26-028-35-NW-SW-UBMay 27 10:33
oiaohmSo I was kinda due schestowitz.May 27 10:33
schestowitzStriking the Right Gnote < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3822091/Striking-the-Right-Gnote.htm >May 27 10:34
schestowitzAJ?May 27 10:34
schestowitzAndreas Jaeger is AJ tooMay 27 10:34
schestowitz"Not that Figuiere is a Mono advocate. But his opposition over the years has been more practical than philosophical. For instance, in several discussion threads about Including Mono in GNOME on the desktop-devel-list in July 2006, Figuiere objected to shipping Mono-based apps on the grounds that the language required a lot of disk space.."May 27 10:34
oiaohmjulliard schestowitz the wine lead mantainer.May 27 10:35
oiaohmCommonaly called AJ around the wine world.May 27 10:35
schestowitzre:  http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/ "I suspected something like that, if Bell Labs plans to eradicate it fromMay 27 10:37
schestowitzthe net.  Start robots.txt, then remove the files and directories andMay 27 10:37
schestowitzwait for the cache to clear.May 27 10:37
schestowitzThe robots.txt that archive.org had listed was not anything which wouldMay 27 10:37
schestowitz*obviously* block /who/, but maybe it was an alias for /historic/ orMay 27 10:37
schestowitzsomething.  The current robots.txt doesn't seem like it should be aMay 27 10:37
schestowitzproblem, again unless there are various aliases.May 27 10:37
schestowitzhttp://cm.bell-labs.com/robots.txtMay 27 10:37
schestowitzThe Great Ethanol Scam < http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm >. True or false?May 27 10:44
oiaohmMixture of both.May 27 10:44
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oiaohmModel T ford was designed to work on pure Ethanol.May 27 10:45
oiaohmProblem is lot of modern day engines are not built with materials that are Ethanol save.May 27 10:45
oiaohmsave/safe.May 27 10:46
schestowitzJudge to hold hearing on Corbin photo request < http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-pocorb2112789379may20,0,6991548.story >May 27 10:46
schestowitztacone: you made the front page, sort of.  http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-26-028-35-NW-SW-UBMay 27 10:46
schestowitzThis puts in jeopardy the credibility of all judges: Second judge removed from Pirate Bay case < http://www.mcvuk.com/news/34385/Second-judge-removed-from-Pirate-Bay-case >May 27 10:48
oiaohmThis could end up a very warped case schestowitz.May 27 10:49
oiaohmThere might not be a judge to here it.May 27 10:49
oiaohmIt may have to go to jury.May 27 10:50
oiaohmYes retrial by jury is rare.May 27 10:50
schestowitzJury can be rigged tooMay 27 10:51
schestowitzToo much at stakeMay 27 10:51
schestowitzPrecedence at the leastMay 27 10:51
schestowitzRemember: I don't condone illegal copyingMay 27 10:51
schestowitzIt's not theft, it's copyingMay 27 10:51
schestowitzBut it is not legalMay 27 10:51
schestowitzBUTMay 27 10:51
schestowitzTPB did not encourage illegal ANYTHING.May 27 10:51
schestowitzJust sharing, copying, which is perfectly ethical. Not every 0 and 1 is encumbered by copyrightsMay 27 10:52
oiaohmTPB techically broke the law.  Was give notice and decided to disreguard it.May 27 10:52
schestowitzWhat they seek to do would harm GOOGLE tooMay 27 10:52
schestowitzAnything that MAY be used to transport 'infringing' 0s and 1sMay 27 10:52
oiaohmIf you are given legal notice over something and you decide to throw it in bin don't cry to a person to me.May 27 10:52
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, that's the big questionMay 27 10:52
schestowitzTakedownMay 27 10:52
schestowitzFor that there can be litigationMay 27 10:53
schestowitzBut they broaden itMay 27 10:53
oiaohmTakedown notices were sent to them.May 27 10:53
schestowitzWhat about Google?May 27 10:53
oiaohmThey joked about them.May 27 10:53
schestowitzI think they obey requestsMay 27 10:53
oiaohmNot something you do and not expect being hammered.May 27 10:53
oiaohmThey obey.May 27 10:53
oiaohmSo are protected under the safe harbour rules.May 27 10:53
oiaohmThere are other bittorrent trackers that obey too.May 27 10:54
oiaohmAgain protected by safe harbour rules.May 27 10:54
schestowitzIt's a tough battleMay 27 10:54
oiaohmIe you are not a illegal harbour if you will take actions gainst things that are illegally using your harbour.May 27 10:54
schestowitzMany won't issue takedown demandsMay 27 10:54
schestowitzThe whole idea of policing sharing is ludicrous only for practical reasonsMay 27 10:55
oiaohmTPB could have avoided this mess by processing the takedowns ineffectively.May 27 10:55
oiaohmLike the other bittorrent trackers do.May 27 10:55
oiaohmOther trackers remove the link but provide no filtering to block it being put up again.May 27 10:56
oiaohmSo obeying the rules of safe harbour.May 27 10:56
oiaohmBasically sub your nose at the law don't be suprised if the law drops on you.May 27 10:57
oiaohmFrom simple legal fact there is no way TPB could win there case.May 27 10:58
oiaohmProblem with disgrading things like takedown notices.   Is that online takedown notices are the same as defect notices a car seller can give you.   Losing risks spreeding into the real world.May 27 11:00
oiaohmThe ones behind TPB at best should get off with a really strict warning.   Ie if you ever dare disreguard a takedown notice you will be hung.May 27 11:03
taconeschestowitz: no, they linked softpedia :)May 27 11:06
schestowitzYesMay 27 11:06
schestowitzoiaohm: agreed, but the trial was fueled with biasMay 27 11:06
schestowitzSo sentencing might need changingMay 27 11:06
oiaohmHere providing links is just as illegal as hosting content.May 27 11:06
oiaohmIf you fail to obey takedown notices.May 27 11:07
oiaohmThe legal chain reactions is why I could never support TPB winning there case.May 27 11:08
schestowitzNot a good time to sell cars, but.. May 27 11:09
schestowitzhttp://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/27/brusa_spyder/May 27 11:09
schestowitzoiaohm: if you eliminates hosts, then linking breaks tooMay 27 11:10
schestowitzAttack the source.May 27 11:10
schestowitz.MS has a new ZuneMay 27 11:11
oiaohmLinking was made a law here because guys got smart and were using file mirrors overseas to host illegal connent and get traffic so make profit.May 27 11:11
schestowitzMicrosoft to launch $80-$100 million ad campaign for rebranded search engine ‘Bing’ < http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/21215/ >May 27 11:12
oiaohmWho has the best options to make profits on adversting and the like.    The one hosting the links.May 27 11:12
schestowitzThat's a lot of money to spend on a Majave-like disasterMay 27 11:12
schestowitzIt'll be fun to watch this money burn for no gains at allMay 27 11:13
oiaohmHmmMay 27 11:13
oiaohmMS advertising allaocations are getting smaller.May 27 11:13
oiaohmIn the past it would have been like 1/2 a billion.May 27 11:13
schestowitz"Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) has had some trouble selling its Mediaroom IPTV platform to smaller service providers ..."  http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-microsoft-goes-after-smaller-operators-with-new-mediaroom-offering/May 27 11:14
schestowitzAnother area of failureMay 27 11:14
schestowitz"The website of the British National Party is back online following a reported distributed denial of service attack over the weekend." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/bnp_ddos/May 27 11:15
schestowitzThe joys of Windows zombiesMay 27 11:15
schestowitzPeople attack sites they don't likeMay 27 11:15
schestowitz"The size of the renewed assault is unparalleled and there is no doubt that whoever has organised this has had to pay out a serious amount of money to the criminal underworld."May 27 11:16
schestowitz"On Friday the servers of Clear Channel, part of a huge conglomerate that provides billboard advertising to the BNP, suffered a similar attack. Their IT professionals tracked the criminal activity back to a notorious "anti-fascist" organisation openly aligned to the Labour Party and supported by the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats."May 27 11:16
schestowitz"As a consequence of the criminal actions against Clear Channel we understand that their legal team is currently in the process of issuing writs against the perpetrators which as well as civil actions will involve the possibility of potential criminal charges including racketeering."May 27 11:17
schestowitz"The BNP's Darby said it had reported its suspicions about the attack to MI5 and the police, actions only likely to result in a charge of wasting police time, according to Searchlight."May 27 11:18
schestowitzBut the police is apparently actually looking into that oneMay 27 11:18
schestowitzDigg: No Shouting! < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/26/digg-no-shouting >May 27 11:20
taconeschestowitz: i told youMay 27 11:21
taconetimes are overMay 27 11:22
taconenow twitter will be the spam vehicleMay 27 11:22
schestowitzA lot of people still use modems: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/ (Life in the slow lane)May 27 11:22
schestowitzIt's a good thing that our front page is now a lot lighter (MediaWiki)May 27 11:23
schestowitztacone: "will be"?May 27 11:23
schestowitz Broadband goes big in Japan < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8068560.stm >May 27 11:23
schestowitzThe US has fallen behind pretty fast when it comes to Internet speedsMay 27 11:24
schestowitzIs the whole Korean 'nuclear crisis' exaggerated by western media so as to daemonise and justify intervention?May 27 11:26
schestowitztacone: Silvio Berlusconi bribed British lawyer, say Italian judges < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/19/silvio-berlusconi-bribe-david-mills >May 27 11:29
taconeyes schestowitzMay 27 11:29
schestowitzJustice is unserved.May 27 11:29
taconebut he has immunityMay 27 11:29
schestowitzYesMay 27 11:30
schestowitzRMS: "Berlusconi cannot be prosecuted for giving the bribe because he adopted a law to give himself immunity. So Italy now has a prime minister who has been estabilshed by a court as corrupt and cannot be punished for it."May 27 11:30
taconeprovided with a law made by his partyMay 27 11:30
schestowitzLOLMay 27 11:30
taconelolMay 27 11:30
*tacone wants emigrate in the desert or sarahMay 27 11:30
schestowitzSpeaking of police breaking the law, we too have this: Surveillance of protesters ruled illegal < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/21/police-surveillance-ruling-andrew-wood >May 27 11:30
schestowitzSahara?May 27 11:31
schestowitzJust published: Fixing America, Erasing Bush < http://www.truthout.org/052409A > it's sad that Ovama helps bury evidence.May 27 11:32
schestowitz*ObamaMay 27 11:32
schestowitz"The shocking scale of sexual and physical abuse in educational institutions in Ireland run by the Catholic Church was revealed on Wednesday in a report describing how thousands of boys and girls were raped, abused and exploited by the religious brothers and nuns who were supposed to look after them."May 27 11:33
schestowitzhttp://www.hindu.com/2009/05/22/stories/2009052256652200.htmMay 27 11:33
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/05/us-officials-admitted-that-boys-were.html "Many people have heard Pulitzer prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh's claim that boys were sodomized at Abu Ghraib and that the Pentagon has video of the rapes."May 27 11:34
schestowitzSwitzerland, open up bidding, says Red Hat-led group < http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/news/story/5215282/ >May 27 11:42
schestowitzReasons for speculations that Microsoft will exploit Yahoo! http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2873May 27 11:43
mtnd3wg'morningMay 27 11:43
schestowitzHey, wbMay 27 11:44
mtnd3wi like how you put the catcholic church article and abu ghraib US pedophile army abuses article togetherMay 27 11:44
schestowitzCoincidenceMay 27 11:44
mtnd3wpaints a nice picture...May 27 11:44
schestowitzThey came up in a sequenceMay 27 11:44
mtnd3woh is it?May 27 11:44
mtnd3wlolMay 27 11:44
schestowitzBoth appeared in RMS' blog actually.May 27 11:44
schestowitzAnother new win for OLPC (with Linux probably): http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25265/1054/May 27 11:47
oiaohmCould get funny.May 27 11:50
oiaohmBuy Microsoft=sued.May 27 11:50
schestowitzImportant precedenceMay 27 11:51
schestowitzFor Hungary, UK, Greece, Spain, Portugal...May 27 11:51
schestowitzPuts a cloud over their hand when they make boiler room dealsMay 27 11:51
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schestowitz"The danger for Microsoft is that the challenges are coming thick and fast from all sides on the Linux front. Aside from Android and Ubuntu Remix, Intel has released its own Linux distro desgned specifically for Atom powered netbooks, Moblin 2.0." http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25268/1023/May 27 11:53
schestowitzEven the Microsoft folks from ITWire have turned against Vista 7May 27 11:54
oiaohmAndroid looks to becoming a cross distribution framework.May 27 11:54
schestowitzAnd it's not even released yetMay 27 11:54
schestowitzI bet you MS PR people will mail ITWireMay 27 11:54
schestowitzThey did beforeMay 27 11:54
schestowitzThey'll push for what they call "a better article"May 27 11:54
schestowitzThey did this to ITWire when they wrote about OOXMLMay 27 11:54
oiaohmMoblin is behind lot of Linux performance accelerations.May 27 11:54
schestowitzYesMay 27 11:54
schestowitzWhatever sells h/wMay 27 11:55
schestowitzIntel's selfishness sometimes can help LinuxMay 27 11:55
mtnd3wGreat news! The Federal Trade Commission wants bloggers to disclose when they've been wooed with cash or freebies from companies they cover: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2009/tc20090518_532031.htmMay 27 11:55
schestowitzGoodMay 27 11:55
mtnd3wthere goes the windows marketingMay 27 11:55
schestowitzBut.. let me see.May 27 11:55
mtnd3wand mono trollsMay 27 11:55
schestowitzIt's one think to ask themMay 27 11:55
schestowitzWindows markleting -- yesMay 27 11:55
schestowitzWe have examplesMay 27 11:56
schestowitzMicrosoft bribes bloggersMay 27 11:56
oiaohmhttp://moblin.org/projects/fast-boot  << Everyone likes to forget this is a moblin project.May 27 11:56
schestowitzLaptops and other schwagMay 27 11:56
oiaohmMax boot time of 10 secounds.May 27 11:56
schestowitzRunning competitions that generate sluttiness over WindowsMay 27 11:56
oiaohmPlease note intel is no longer in charge of moblin.May 27 11:58
oiaohmIt was transfered to the Linux founation.May 27 11:58
taconemac os x has no way to make firefox full screenMay 27 12:03
taconegroan..May 27 12:03
schestowitzoiaohm: does Moblin requires x46?May 27 12:03
schestowitzIf so, then Intel only pretends not owning itMay 27 12:03
schestowitzProxifying it to LFMay 27 12:03
schestowitzLike IBM and its crappy patentsMay 27 12:03
schestowitzLinux Foundation is not a companyMay 27 12:04
schestowitzYou can't 'transfer' to itMay 27 12:04
schestowitzLinux Foundation is just some office somewhere in PortlandMay 27 12:04
schestowitzIt has a pot of cash to organise events and present a public face for LinuxMay 27 12:04
*schestowitz going to do another batch of posts. Too much crap to highlight this morning ... :-(May 27 12:08
oiaohmMost of Modlin tech is cpu netural.May 27 12:11
oiaohmTo be correct I have not found anything x86 dependant.May 27 12:12
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ziggyfishI'm liking gnoteMay 27 12:17
oiaohmMost mono coders don't.  It showed how fast there work could be cloned.May 27 12:18
ziggyfishI just installed it now, and removed all of the mono packagesMay 27 12:19
ziggyfishit's a lot quicker than tomboyMay 27 12:19
oiaohmThat is the other problem they have.May 27 12:26
oiaohmIt undermines the idea that mono performs.May 27 12:27
schestowitzziggyfish: I write about gnote at the momentMay 27 12:30
schestowitzGive me 3 minsMay 27 12:30
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MinceRj0May 27 12:35
schestowitzGnote’s Objection to Mono and Microsoft’s ‘Embrace’ of Java < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/gnotes-objection-to-mono/ >May 27 12:39
oiaohmOne world is ending a new is starting.May 27 12:44
ziggyfishnoceMay 27 12:46
ziggyfish*niceMay 27 12:47
ziggyfishthink it's time for bedMay 27 12:47
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oiaohmpeer to patent is really the wrong way.   Why is it not required when appling for a patent to do a prior art search and if prior art is found all income from patent has to be returned.May 27 12:48
oiaohmSo making patents not that profitable.May 27 12:48
MinceRadd an interest rate or it still will be profitable.May 27 12:50
oiaohmMinceR: the hassel of not being able to use the money for like 20 years MinceRMay 27 12:50
oiaohmBecause in that time prior art might be found then you might have to pay it all back.May 27 12:51
MinceRyou could still invest it.May 27 12:51
oiaohmWhat if there is never a freeing year.May 27 12:51
MinceRthen you have free money :>May 27 12:52
oiaohmRemember having to pay income back normally has interest charge.May 27 12:52
MinceRicMay 27 12:52
oiaohmSo you would have to invest it well to make any profit.May 27 12:52
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schestowitzI don't like peet2patent,. oiaohm May 27 13:02
oiaohmhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10451  << top game here is a bit of a laugh.May 27 13:02
schestowitzBut Groklaw believes in thatMay 27 13:02
schestowitzRed Hat tooMay 27 13:02
oiaohmpeer2patent is better than nothing.May 27 13:02
oiaohmIf you cannot get patents nuked before the fact as it should be get them nuked after.May 27 13:03
oiaohmBut it still the wrong way.May 27 13:03
MinceRwhat, no Nexuiz?May 27 13:04
oiaohmNo .net languages either MinceRMay 27 13:07
taconeschestowitz: oh. linuxtoday just linked my article on the appstore. a dupe. this is no-senseMay 27 13:23
taconenot I ain't happy about that.May 27 13:23
schestowitzBNP Attacked via Windows Zombies, Blames Conspirators < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/bnp-windows-zombies/ >May 27 13:31
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mtnd3wYES! That Asus blog entry yesterday sparked a lot of Internet articles questioning Asus's motives!May 27 13:37
mtnd3wASUS Linux insult will be Intel and Dell's gain: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25275/1141/May 27 13:37
MinceR:)May 27 13:37
EruaranMinceR: I've never been a fan of Nexuiz but I have to say the latest version looks rather good... next they say they're working on the character models.May 27 13:37
MinceRthey had betterMay 27 13:37
MinceRthe only model i liked was Xolar :)May 27 13:37
MinceRas for the asus case, dell isn't good eitherMay 27 13:38
MinceRremember, they secretly pay m$ for patentsMay 27 13:38
mtnd3wHas ASUS all but given up on Linux? http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/304693/has_asus_all_given_up_linuxMay 27 13:38
MinceR(and their quality and support are crap)May 27 13:38
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oiaohmASUS does not have a arm line.May 27 14:20
oiaohmReally I am not supprised by ASUS move.   Competting as the cheapest out there with Linux is not going to cut much once the arm units enter the market.May 27 14:21
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MinceRand what keeps asus from using ARM?May 27 14:24
schestowitzIs Microsoft’s AstroTurf Against ODF Still On? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/ghettoblaster-may-be-microsoft-astroturf/ >May 27 14:24
oiaohmThey don't have a chip supplier for it MinceR.May 27 14:25
schestowitzASUS profits are down 94%May 27 14:25
schestowitzLet them commit suicide with MicrosoftMay 27 14:25
schestowitzMurder-suicide maybeMay 27 14:25
schestowitzThey did splendidly when they sold Linux.May 27 14:25
schestowitzMicrosoft then approached themMay 27 14:25
oiaohmArm is one of those chips where you make the chip and the board it goes on.May 27 14:25
schestowitzAnd ASUS said it was "closely tied up with Microsoft"May 27 14:25
schestowitzTied up=embracesMay 27 14:25
schestowitzThen extinguished :-)May 27 14:25
schestowitz*embracedMay 27 14:26
MinceRchip suppliers are as easy to get as signing a contract to purchase supplies is.May 27 14:27
trmancohttp://digg.com/d1sAQMMay 27 14:27
trmanconessuno is famousMay 27 14:27
taconehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/04/12/missing_novell_server_discovered_after/May 27 14:27
oiaohmWhat you call minorally over doing the security on the server taconeMay 27 14:33
taconethat's what I call a real firewallMay 27 14:35
oiaohmMinceR: Arm chips do you want video card in that.   What kind of video card....  All the chip set that operates with that chip is not generic either.   ASUS boards are mostly bog standard chipsets.  Changing over to something you customise like arm takes a different set of staff.May 27 14:35
oiaohmAsus is use to being feed by chipset suppliers.May 27 14:37
MinceRor make a deal with a chipset makerMay 27 14:39
MinceRor buy oneMay 27 14:39
oiaohmArm what chipset maker.May 27 14:39
oiaohmArm is different to x86 that way.May 27 14:40
schestowitztrmanco: look at the abuse AstralKnight getsMay 27 14:40
schestowitzThe shills want him downMay 27 14:40
oiaohmYou order it customised how you want it MinceR.May 27 14:40
trmancoyeahMay 27 14:40
MinceRoiaohm: it's only a question of money.May 27 14:40
trmancoI've seen that a lot, but not recentlyMay 27 14:40
schestowitzI got the same contantly when I submitted Comes exhibits to DiggMay 27 14:40
schestowitzMade some front pages in 2007May 27 14:40
trmancoI don't bother to check the commentsMay 27 14:40
schestowitztrmanco: http://digg.com/linux_unix/If_Microsoft_Removes_3_App_Restriction_Linux_Still_WinsMay 27 14:41
schestowitzhttp://digg.com/linux_unix/Dell_sells_Microsoft_UbuntuMay 27 14:41
schestowitzLook who's there in the commentsMay 27 14:41
schestowitzThese are just the latest two submissionsMay 27 14:42
oiaohmMinceR: that is the problem.   What  would have like the basic parts you would find in a netbook in arm would go for like 20 dollars.   There is no room for chipset designers to make profit.May 27 14:42
oiaohmYou need chipset designers merged with devices makers to make proft.May 27 14:42
oiaohmIt is exactly a question of money MinceRMay 27 14:43
oiaohmYour device designers and you chip set designers in the arm world basically have to be the same people.May 27 14:44
oiaohmOr you will be too expensive.May 27 14:44
trmancoduggMay 27 14:45
trmancobut too lateMay 27 14:45
MinceRoiaohm: you can still rebrand and use your distribution channels.May 27 14:46
trmancostupid MS shill I bet schestowitzMay 27 14:46
trmancoall he does is bury and leave a aggressive commentMay 27 14:46
trmancoan*May 27 14:46
oiaohmThen think one of the compainies with arm you might be going head to head with is Nokia MinceR.  Rebranding only gets you so far.  MinceR.  Arm market device markers are highly competitive.May 27 14:48
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MinceR:)May 27 14:49
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oiaohmYou really don't have much room for extra markup MinceR.May 27 14:50
oiaohmAs arm kicks into gear 100 USD netbooks should really appear.May 27 14:50
MinceRthen they could buy the chipset designer company.May 27 14:50
MinceReven bring out their own ARM CPU.May 27 14:51
oiaohmAll the firms that work with arm chips are doing better than ASUS for money.May 27 14:51
oiaohmASUS either need to find a higher end market or get a lot of new staff and pray.May 27 14:52
oiaohmSo far they look to be taking the plan of getting higher end market.May 27 14:52
MinceRdoing well is one thing, having lots of capital is another.May 27 14:52
oiaohmBoth really.May 27 14:53
trmancowowMay 27 14:55
trmancothis is weirdMay 27 14:55
trmancoMS is interested in the html5 standardMay 27 14:55
oiaohmThere losing market share of course trmanco and they want to get there own formats in use in the video tag.May 27 14:56
trmancosee this -> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.w3c.internationalization.general/3693May 27 14:56
MinceRcan m$ afford to buy W3C?May 27 14:57
MinceR(like they did with ISO)May 27 14:57
EruaranAnyone from the IE 'team' talking about interoperability is a jokeMay 27 14:57
EruaranThe most standards non-compliant web browser, even after years of telling the public they are really, really working sooo very hard at adhering to web standards is... IEMay 27 14:58
trmancomehMay 27 14:59
EruaranLets give them a prize for the biggest amount of BSMay 27 14:59
MinceRthey adhere to their own web standardsMay 27 14:59
MinceRMS-HTTP, MS-HTML, MS-CSSMay 27 14:59
MinceRMS-DOMMay 27 14:59
schestowitzNew Speculations About Microsoft Buying Citrix or Grabbing Yahoo! Search < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/speculations-microsoft-citrix-yahoo/ >May 27 14:59
trmancosee the next post... some MS gibberish is in thereMay 27 14:59
tacone"Essentially, get rid of the classes of encodings in which      Jscript"May 27 15:00
taconeJscript... zomgMay 27 15:01
oiaohmThere is a risk MS will be forced to aquire citrix.May 27 15:08
oiaohmTo shutdown xen undermining there hypervisor by being used inside kvm.May 27 15:08
schestowitztrmanco: which next post?May 27 15:09
schestowitzSo-Called 'Friendly Fraud' On The Rise < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090526/0907365012.shtml >May 27 15:10
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schestowitzJudge Slams Administration For Ignoring Orders In Warrantless Wiretapping Case < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090525/1826015002.shtml >May 27 15:11
schestowitzHP to introduce  $279 Linux sub-notebooks http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137494/hp-strikes-netbooksMay 27 15:14
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schestowitzMore details about DDoS on BNP. They had to moved b/w servers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/bnp_ddos_diddums/May 27 15:22
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schestowitzEruaran will love this...:May 27 15:22
schestowitzSage reseller goes titsup? < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/bde_international_ltd_loses_sage_jobs/ >May 27 15:23
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/ovi_down/ "Nokia's Ovi store is suffering from more teething problems as the site can't seen to keep itself online - though the company claims that users coming in direct from devices aren't experiencing problems."May 27 15:25
EruaranhahMay 27 15:26
schestowitzHeh. Friend says: "Why not get some people to apply online to be a volunteer computer fixer ..May 27 15:28
schestowitzSee what reply if any they get ...May 27 15:28
schestowitzhttp://www.computeraid.org/volunteerinworkshop.htm "May 27 15:28
schestowitzPaid volunteers. What a paradox...May 27 15:29
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schestowitzAnother 1,000 Linux desktops in African schools with lots more to come: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/139451May 27 15:31
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EruaranThat is excellent newsMay 27 15:43
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schestowitzI've just redone the IRC log css: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/irc-log-23052009.htmlMay 27 15:51
mtnd3wany of your guys on reddit?May 27 15:55
MinceRnot yetMay 27 15:56
mtnd3wget on thereMay 27 15:56
mtnd3warmstrong is on there trying to promote monoMay 27 15:56
mtnd3wa lot of mono trolls flood the linux sectionMay 27 15:57
schestowitzSandy?May 27 15:57
mtnd3wyeahMay 27 15:57
schestowitzBlechMay 27 15:57
schestowitzI think they have lots of Mono people thereMay 27 15:57
schestowitzNot new to me actually...May 27 15:57
mtnd3wit wasn't like thatMay 27 15:58
mtnd3wbeforeMay 27 15:58
mtnd3wall of a sudden all you see is down votingMay 27 15:58
schestowitzSandy works for NovellMay 27 15:58
schestowitzmtnd3w: please paste here examplesMay 27 15:58
schestowitzURLsMay 27 15:58
mtnd3wcomments, articles that are critical of novellMay 27 15:58
schestowitzBlod headline: Kiwis give Microsoft the finger < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25274/1148/  >May 27 15:58
mtnd3w"There are reasons against any software platform. When people argue against Python, for example, you don't see them vigorously campaigning to have it removed from the default install of their favorite distro. You can't be "not interested in Mono" while simultaneously railing against it at every opportunity.May 27 15:58
mtnd3w"some people...have concerns about its use" is really not reason enough to have a giant freak-out session. That some people expect it is, is the irrational component of the argument."May 27 15:58
schestowitzWhat are the URLs?May 27 15:59
schestowitzSandy works for NovellMay 27 15:59
schestowitzSo this could be fun...May 27 15:59
schestowitzSkype launch Australian store < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25280/1054/ >May 27 16:00
mtnd3whttp://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8nee8/banshee_will_likely_be_the_default_music_player/May 27 16:00
schestowitzany more examples?May 27 16:01
schestowitzHaha. jstedfast May 27 16:02
schestowitzAnother Novell employeeMay 27 16:02
mtnd3wshe is user for 20 hoursMay 27 16:02
mtnd3whttp://www.reddit.com/user/sandyarmstrong/May 27 16:02
mtnd3wwhich tells me she joined as soon as there were articles about GnoteMay 27 16:02
schestowitzWho is alanmc ?May 27 16:03
mtnd3wbecause about 22 hours ago there were submission about gnoteMay 27 16:03
schestowitzIt's heMay 27 16:03
schestowitzAFAIKMay 27 16:03
schestowitzAny more examplesMay 27 16:03
schestowitzOr just this one submission?May 27 16:03
mtnd3wthere are more, hold onMay 27 16:03
mtnd3wfor example this guy http://www.reddit.com/user/snorp/ he's an advocate for monoMay 27 16:05
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mtnd3wthere are a lot of them in http://www.reddit.com/r/programmingMay 27 16:06
mtnd3wit's a mix of BSD crowd and proprietary crowdMay 27 16:06
schestowitzhttp://www.reddit.com/user/snorp/ looks innocentMay 27 16:07
schestowitzMany comments not related to programmingMay 27 16:07
mtnd3wlook at this article for example:  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8ncf2/ibm_exec_calls_vista_the_best_recruiter_for_linux/May 27 16:07
schestowitzAnd he attacks me in a wayMay 27 16:07
mtnd3wthere is 30 down votesMay 27 16:07
mtnd3wand one comment.May 27 16:08
mtnd3wi spoke to some other people on redditMay 27 16:08
mtnd3wthey said there has been some issues of "group down voting"May 27 16:08
schestowitzTroll commentMay 27 16:08
mtnd3wbut examples he gave were related to political submissionMay 27 16:08
schestowitzSo they do to reddit now what they do to Digg and /.May 27 16:09
schestowitzWith confirmationMay 27 16:09
mtnd3wthere is definitely a group effort in censoring criticsMay 27 16:09
schestowitzThere has always been, but you need to identify themMay 27 16:10
schestowitzSome are nymshiftingMay 27 16:10
schestowitzSockpuppetsMay 27 16:10
mtnd3wdonkeypuke: agreed.May 27 16:11
mtnd3wwhat i don't get is this:May 27 16:11
mtnd3wmono is 'controversial' whether you stand behind it or not. so why are so many distros willing to divide their communities over this? it's infuriating. especially since there is such a large number of people who state outright that the first thing they do after a fresh install is get rid of mono and all of its associated bleh.May 27 16:11
mtnd3wgrowl.May 27 16:11
mtnd3wedit: less than a minute after posting and i see myself and the parent already downmodded. our comments are relevant and widely held. wonderful sense of integrity you must have. what douchery... sigh.  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8nee8/banshee_will_likely_be_the_default_music_player/c09u1y7May 27 16:11
mtnd3wthis is a comment from another user experiencing the same thingMay 27 16:11
schestowitzI'm writing about post about thisMay 27 16:27
mtnd3wyou can include things like Microsoft that announced it's $300 million marketing campaign after Vista failed,May 27 16:38
mtnd3wcould promoting Microsoft goals in social network be one of them?May 27 16:39
mtnd3wYou can example of the "Megaphone." There was a case of "group downvoting" in reddit where pro-Israeli users downvote articles critical about Israel through a software called Megaphone, that sends alerts from the system tray to alert of anything news on the web thats questions IsraelMay 27 16:45
mtnd3whttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_toolMay 27 16:46
schestowitzReddit Accommodated by Mono Boosters, Including Novell Employees < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/reddit-novell-employees/ >May 27 16:47
schestowitzYes, Microsoft puts the money in Edelman, W-E etc.May 27 16:47
schestowitzAstroTurfing agenciesMay 27 16:47
schestowitzThey recruit nymsMay 27 16:47
schestowitzNot just for Microsoft, but W-E is the major one to MSMay 27 16:48
schestowitzBallmer's wife is from there, tooMay 27 16:48
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MinceRi've found a use case for reactosMay 27 17:14
MinceRqemu+reactos could potentially run windows apps on non-x86 architecturesMay 27 17:14
schestowitzMicrosoft Calls Gates’ Microsoft Lobbying “Important Charitable Work” < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/microsoft-shelters-gates-using-lies/ >May 27 17:15
schestowitzWhy not Windows?May 27 17:16
schestowitzReactOS still carries the burden of MS patent FUSMay 27 17:16
schestowitz*FUDMay 27 17:16
MinceRat least it's freeMay 27 17:20
MinceRor at least open and gratisMay 27 17:20
schestowitzEnderle the shill is annoying peopleMay 27 17:20
schestowitzAttacks politically and shills for MS at the same timeMay 27 17:20
schestowitzThe commenters go wildMay 27 17:20
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schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/content/view/25275/1141/May 27 17:48
schestowitzAsus will use Android. Inaccurate.May 27 17:48
schestowitzWe need verifiable citations and facts.May 27 17:48
schestowitzI'm going to file a complain about the European Commission to its watchdog.May 27 17:49
schestowitz*complaintMay 27 17:49
taconei can't seem to easily install mononono :(May 27 17:55
schestowitzAttempts to inject software patents into the EU from back doors: http://www.euractiv.com/en/innovation/eu-proposes-legal-steps-common-patent/article-182671May 27 17:55
schestowitztacone: it's for DebianMay 27 17:56
schestowitzThey should put it in the Ubuntu reposMay 27 17:56
schestowitzhas someone asked yetMay 27 17:56
schestowitzThat's one for the brainstormMay 27 17:56
schestowitzLinus writes in linux.com now:  Memorial Day BBQ < http://linux.com/news/featured-blogs/176-linus-torvalds/12972-memorial-day-bbq >May 27 17:59
schestowitzHeavy political propaganda coming to US population shortly: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8388May 27 18:00
schestowitzhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2347614,00.asp "As with the original Mini 1000, the M110 will be available with either XP Home Edition or HP's Mi Linux edition, priced at $329 and $279, respectively."May 27 18:05
schestowitzEarly look at Firefox 3.5: http://blogs.computerworld.com/an_early_look_at_firefox_3_5May 27 18:17
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schestowitzHeh. Linux comic: http://bushweed.blogspot.com/2009/05/comux-010110.htmlMay 27 18:33
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schestowitzIt's coming, it's coming. More KDE4 software: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/304633/koffice_2_0_0_tagged_release http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/58May 27 18:39
schestowitzFirefox 3.5 releases is near: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42590/140/ new icon: http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/26/new-firefox-icon-iterations-8-and-9/May 27 18:42
schestowitzObama’s Supreme Court Pick Schooled in Cyberlaw < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/sotomayor/ >May 27 19:02
schestowitzWhy Global Warming Means Killer Storms Worse Than Katrina And Gustav, Part 1 < http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/009919.html >May 27 19:03
schestowitzGoogle Earth maps out discrimination against burakumin caste in Japan  < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6337499.ece >May 27 19:18
schestowitzInternet Statistics: China logging on< http://shanghaiist.com/2009/05/25/klj_cause_having_blogs_is.php > China is slowly outpacing eveyone at everything.May 27 19:19
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schestowitzkentma1: BT Global Services' own Clouseau bags massive bonus < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/bt_barrault/ >May 27 19:34
schestowitzfewa: did you see the post re: ODF?May 27 19:34
fewaI just woke upMay 27 19:35
schestowitzIt's syndicated in ODF circles, so people will know about this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/ghettoblaster-may-be-microsoft-astroturf/May 27 19:35
fewacoolMay 27 19:37
schestowitzDoes anyone know what happened to 451 Group?May 27 19:38
schestowitzit seems as thought many 'analysts' (Shils for sale) firms are collapsingMay 27 19:38
schestowitzOne of those 'luxuries' of bubble economy I'd wagerMay 27 19:38
schestowitzSame with medic companies, apropos.May 27 19:38
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schestowitzneighborlee: did you raise the issue of "Monobuntu" yet?May 27 19:51
schestowitzLinux: Lean, clean, and green < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-green-linux/index.html >May 27 19:52
neighborleemonobuntu ?May 27 19:53
neighborleelolMay 27 19:53
neighborleeno, but I did ask about ecmaMay 27 19:53
neighborleefew days ago...so far that I know..no replyMay 27 19:53
neighborleecheckingMay 27 19:53
schestowitzI did two mono posts today. The later one is betterMay 27 19:55
schestowitzNovell is feeling very, very pressuredMay 27 19:55
schestowitzIts employees start descending down to forums and comment franticallyMay 27 19:55
schestowitzAnd modbomb, tooMay 27 19:55
fewais there any wikipedia rule that prohibits ad hominom attacksMay 27 19:56
schestowitzfewa: the shill is at it againMay 27 19:57
schestowitzJust noticed activity an hour agoMay 27 19:57
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_Office_2007&diff=292475388&oldid=292201607May 27 19:57
schestowitzYour friend  http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PlanetODF/~3/qu6yfNekR-0/index.phpMay 27 19:57
schestowitz4 editsMay 27 19:57
schestowitzWowMay 27 19:57
schestowitzThe bastard censors itMay 27 19:57
schestowitz"but at the same time Microsoft added formula language from a conflicting standard"May 27 19:58
schestowitzRemoved by GhettoblasterMay 27 19:58
taconehttp://indlovu.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ubuntu-debit-card1.png?w=230&h=172&h=172May 27 19:58
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish&diff=prev&oldid=292719421May 27 19:58
fewasecond removal of that sectionMay 27 19:58
schestowitzhttp://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PlanetODF/~3/vp181f0C2O8/index.phpMay 27 19:58
fewareverted back patent fud http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish&diff=prev&oldid=292719217May 27 19:59
schestowitzGeezMay 27 19:59
schestowitzDoes anyone know who this is?May 27 19:59
schestowitzCOuld be some part-time W-E agentMay 27 20:00
neighborleeschestowitz, kewl ill check it out laterMay 27 20:01
schestowitzWho is this? http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/158May 27 20:01
schestowitzHe filrts with MS shill stocholm May 27 20:01
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neighborleehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1169639 < 2 days ago and counting...no replies, but 38 some viewsMay 27 20:02
schestowitzGhettoblaster sounds like a minomer /misfitMay 27 20:03
schestowitzFor a person who writes about technology to have some kind of an urban nickname would be oddMay 27 20:03
schestowitzLet's see what I can find..May 27 20:03
neighborleewhich prove not enough get the mono problem, so ubuntu is less likely to have to confront it..denial by ignornaceMay 27 20:03
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ghettoblaster+mcirosoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8May 27 20:04
schestowitzneighborlee: yes, but shilling tooMay 27 20:04
schestowitzhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ghetto%20blaster "A large, portable, radio cassette player, measuring about 1.5 m wide and 1.0 m high.May 27 20:04
schestowitz"May 27 20:04
neighborleethat too indeedMay 27 20:04
fewahe choose a name that would purposefully be hard to googleMay 27 20:05
schestowitzYeah.May 27 20:05
schestowitzNext to trombone.May 27 20:05
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ghettoblaster+ooxml&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8May 27 20:05
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_Goblinhi allMay 27 20:08
schestowitzIntel: Netbooks Continue to Cannibalize Notebook Sales http://ostatic.com/blog/intel-netbooks-continue-to-cannibalize-notebook-salesMay 27 20:09
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_GoblinJust testing out ZenWalk 6....tight distro.May 27 20:15
mtnd3wneighborlee: The main reasons the Ubuntu dev team says they choose some of these Mono based applications are because the community is behind it?May 27 20:16
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neighborleemtnd3w, of that you can be sureMay 27 20:17
neighborleemtnd3w, divide and conquerMay 27 20:17
fewayepMay 27 20:17
mtnd3wSo this is Microsoft's 3 E's?May 27 20:18
mtnd3wessentiallyMay 27 20:18
fewanot reallyMay 27 20:18
schestowitzWhy not?May 27 20:18
fewathey jumped straight to the second EMay 27 20:18
fewawell i guess with C++, your rightMay 27 20:18
fewabut it was never conforming to any standard right?May 27 20:18
fewaexcept their ownMay 27 20:18
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fewathey make deals with universities to give them a new building if they drop C++ for C#May 27 20:19
taconemtnd3w: one of the points made is that the developer teams are pretty activeMay 27 20:19
taconethat's quite trueMay 27 20:19
taconebanshee team is more active or at least productive than rhythmbox'sMay 27 20:20
fewamakes me think of evangalism is warMay 27 20:22
mtnd3wHow do they define "active" by the number of posts on ubuntuforums about C# Mono?May 27 20:22
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taconewell, banshee is regularly worked on, and features are regularly addedMay 27 20:24
taconecan you say the same about rhythmbox ?May 27 20:24
fewaare they useful?May 27 20:24
taconealso they point out banshee is betterMay 27 20:24
taconewhich may be true, but not that much imho.May 27 20:24
mtnd3wi don't follow rhythmbox's development reallyMay 27 20:24
taconebanshee and rhythmbox feel pretty much equivalentMay 27 20:25
mtnd3wbut simply from my use, it supports a lot of audio devices and has better stabilityMay 27 20:25
mtnd3wperforms a lot better than banshee thats for sure.May 27 20:25
fewamono must have its own lame audio stackMay 27 20:25
fewainstead of using gnome's thenMay 27 20:25
taconenow, let me me point to the notes they made in the sessionMay 27 20:26
taconethose may clear out some doubtsMay 27 20:26
taconehttp://pastebin.com/m39042b41May 27 20:26
taconethe section 'blockers' is the bugs they have to fix before they can include bansheeMay 27 20:26
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taconemtnd3w: as you can see the document pretty much lacks of strong points of preference for bansheeMay 27 20:31
taconethey just say it's slightly better.May 27 20:31
mtnd3wwhere there any developers from rhythmbox at the summit at all?May 27 20:35
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taconei don't know. i don't think so.May 27 20:36
taconei don't think there were any banshee dev as wellMay 27 20:37
taconejust somo debian/ubuntu mono motu team packagersMay 27 20:37
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schestowitzSuno?May 27 20:47
schestowitzLike Kumo?May 27 20:47
schestowitz*SumoMay 27 20:47
schestowitzOr was it a typo of 'some'?May 27 20:48
taconesomeMay 27 20:48
schestowitzIs there any plan for mononoo in the repos?May 27 20:54
schestowitzWe need to work to put it in thereMay 27 20:54
schestowitzWe'll have supportMay 27 20:54
taconei'm going to blog about it in some minuteMay 27 20:57
taconebtw, it's not easy to install. you have to manually remove mono, before.May 27 20:57
fewahttp://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/27/196251May 27 20:58
fewago merb !May 27 20:58
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taconeschestowitz: i think your best bet is getting mononono in the debian repos, not in ubuntu'sMay 27 21:00
fewa^^^^May 27 21:02
fewaall ubuntu does is chromeMay 27 21:02
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fewaand stabilityMay 27 21:03
schestowitztacone: thanksMay 27 21:04
schestowitzI will enquireMay 27 21:04
schestowitzfewa: very cool. Good for BN tooMay 27 21:05
fewaBN?May 27 21:05
schestowitz(uses MediaWiki.) I'll do loads of work on our Wiki soon.May 27 21:05
schestowitzBN=Boycott NovellMay 27 21:05
fewaahhMay 27 21:05
fewa<3 wikipediaMay 27 21:06
MinceRfewa: i'm not so sure about ubuntu doing stability :>May 27 21:11
fewaWell thats one of their stated goals: to ease out debian testingMay 27 21:11
fewabut they only test a very small portion, so its not muchMay 27 21:11
fewaI dislike them putting contrib stuff in mainMay 27 21:12
MinceRoh, so they do stability...for debianMay 27 21:13
fewaespecially their own propritary stuffMay 27 21:13
MinceR:)May 27 21:13
fewaand then refusing to change when you file bug reports on itMay 27 21:13
fewalike on nvidia-settings being in mainMay 27 21:13
MinceRwhat's their policy for main?May 27 21:15
taconemain policy is 'canonical supported'May 27 21:16
taconeeverything in main and restricted is officially supported by canonicalMay 27 21:17
fewahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/333640May 27 21:17
taconeuniverse and multiverse are community supportedMay 27 21:17
fewait might not -depend- on a packaging side, but its useless without the propritary driverMay 27 21:17
fewawhich is something debian usually fallowsMay 27 21:18
fewahttp://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libgooglecharts-ruby1.8May 27 21:19
MinceRi seeMay 27 21:19
fewahttp://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-settingsMay 27 21:20
fewaseeMay 27 21:20
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trmancohmhmMay 27 21:31
trmanco.app extension stuff in ubuntuMay 27 21:31
MinceRewMay 27 21:32
MinceRgnustep?May 27 21:32
trmancoyeahMay 27 21:33
trmancococo AMay 27 21:33
mtnd3wlol: There is no need to go apeshit over this. It’s good that we have diversities. Why are you so threatened by the port? Stop being such a Mono tool!May 27 21:33
taconefewa: i believe that's a mistake. nvidia settings should be in restricted. i see nothing bad in that.May 27 21:34
mtnd3wdirecthex responds: The problem is that it’s grounded in douchebaggery. Taking somebody’s code, and making a 1-way change in the license, is a dick move. End of story. Telling a BSD kernel developer “oh, well you can have all the changes we made to our GPL-only fork of your code, you just need to convert to GPL” isn’t a solution in that case, nor in this identical case. It’s pure and simple douchebaggery.May 27 21:34
mtnd3wIs there a “threat”? No. Gnote still implements only a small fraction of Tomboy’s functionality, including zero syncing abilities (see also http://live.gnome.org/Snowy). But it’s incredibly rude and demoralising for people to take your code and claim it for their own with less than zero desire to cooperate. Gnote’s supporters intentionally misrepresent its benefits, and engage in doublespeak - both attacking Tomboy as aMay 27 21:34
mtnd3w“useless” app when at the same time recommending a less functional clone.May 27 21:34
mtnd3wThere’s also the question of the future. Where will Gnote go when (if?) it reaches feature parity with Tomboy? Continually exist as a catch-up clone, implementing Tomboy’s features as and when? When the Tomboy maintainer proposed cooperating on a note format (e.g. for interop with things like Snowy), he was rebuffed - is this productive?May 27 21:34
taconetrmanco:  ?May 27 21:34
trmancoGNUStep stuffMay 27 21:34
taconerude to use gpl3 ?May 27 21:35
schestowitzHeheMay 27 21:35
schestowitzTo Novell -- yeahMay 27 21:35
taconerude to fork a bsd to gpl ?May 27 21:36
taconewhat's that crap ? ah yeah, gpl is a cancerMay 27 21:36
mtnd3wThis guy is some Mono fanboy really.May 27 21:36
schestowitzAs RMS would say, "it's not Novell, it's Novell slash Microsoft"May 27 21:36
mtnd3wtacone: it's comments from here, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/93/#comment-768May 27 21:37
taconedirecthex? yes he is. the bad thing is he doesn't ever give any external reference to his claimsMay 27 21:37
taconeeven worst: he wanders ubuntuforums marking mono concerns as crap with silly excusesMay 27 21:39
tacone'they say so because it's ms related stuff'May 27 21:40
tacone'they won't sue end users'May 27 21:40
taconethe concern is not for end users, obviouslyMay 27 21:41
taconeis for companies. free market, etc.May 27 21:42
Balrogtrmanco: gnustep is ok, just needs a lot of work ..... :/May 27 21:43
taconeoffliningMay 27 21:44
taconebyeMay 27 21:44
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schestowitz<anon> mononoo is just a package that conflicts with mono, right?May 27 21:53
schestowitz<schestowitz> yesMay 27 21:53
schestowitz<anon> I don't think this would make sense in debianMay 27 21:53
schestowitz<anon> removing mono is trivial, and we don't install mono by default anyway, so the only users who have mono are those who wanted itMay 27 21:53
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MinceRexcept of mono is installed as a dependency.May 27 22:02
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Balrogyes, but it 'helpfully' will remove mononono for youMay 27 22:06
MinceRwon't it at least give a warning that it's about to do so?May 27 22:08
MinceRand ask for permission?May 27 22:08
Balrogyes, but all you have to do is say yesMay 27 22:11
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a_villacisHello. Has there been any discussions on Mono-free replacements for gnome-do, like Gnote exists for Tomboy? Especially GTK-based ones?May 27 22:22
MinceRi'm interested tooMay 27 22:24
MinceRespecially the part where it open documents from a particular subdirectory by typing in part of the nameMay 27 22:24
MinceRi know replacements that can't do that: katapult, krunner (it also calls itself QuickSand)May 27 22:24
MinceRif all you need is shortcut+type name to start something, a run dialog like gmrun can also do the trickMay 27 22:25
schestowitza_villacis: hiMay 27 22:26
schestowitzYes, there are some substitutesMay 27 22:26
schestowitza_villacis: see http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono_ApplicationsMay 27 22:27
MinceRA database query syntax error has occurred.May 27 22:28
schestowitzOh cr*pMay 27 22:28
schestowitztessier: are you there?May 27 22:28
schestowitzhttp://209.85.229.132/search?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fboycottnovell.com%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%2FPeople_who_edit_Wikipedia_for_Microsoft&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=May 27 22:30
a_villacisI get a database error on that URL too.May 27 22:33
schestowitza_villacis: use http://209.85.229.132/search?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fboycottnovell.com%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%2FMono_Applications&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=May 27 22:34
schestowitzI'll mail tessier May 27 22:34
schestowitzIs this correctable with a simple diagnosis tool like the mysql "repair DB" function?May 27 22:35
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MinceRDeskbar is a nice replacementMay 27 22:42
MinceRmy desktop is mono-free once againMay 27 22:43
trmancoDeskbar?May 27 22:43
trmancoyou like thatMay 27 22:43
trmanco?May 27 22:43
MinceRindeedMay 27 22:44
MinceRi thought it was just a strange interface for tracker or something, but it isn'tMay 27 22:44
trmancohmm, I've always thought you were a slim app kinda of guy... :-PMay 27 22:45
MinceRdepends on how you define "slim" :)May 27 22:45
trmancono, it has a lot of functionalitiesMay 27 22:45
trmancothe last time I've tried it, it was still kinda slowMay 27 22:45
trmancomaybe because I still had tracker and mono installedMay 27 22:45
MinceRit does seem to be kind of slowMay 27 22:46
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trmancothese too are deskbars backends AFAIKMay 27 22:46
MinceRbut gnome-do keeps randomly crashing so this is an improvement anywayMay 27 22:46
MinceRand it's still faster than krunnerMay 27 22:46
MinceRi guess i'll take another look at katapult laterMay 27 22:47
trmancohehMay 27 22:47
tessierschestowitz: Problem with the db?May 27 22:47
tessierI just looked at the emailMay 27 22:47
trmancoI once tried to use it has a twitter clientMay 27 22:47
trmancowell, gnMay 27 22:48
schestowitztessier: yeah, sorryMay 27 22:49
schestowitzDidn't do anythingMay 27 22:49
MinceRgn trmancoMay 27 22:49
schestowitzI mean, it happened spontaneously AFAIKMay 27 22:49
tessierhmmMay 27 22:52
tessierWeird.May 27 22:53
*tessier looksMay 27 22:53
schestowitzI've never come across this before. Is there some magic function to repair? cPanel had some button that automates something which is probably a CLI tool.May 27 22:54
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tessier| boycottn_wiki.objectcache       | check | error    | Table './boycottn_wiki/objectcache' is marked as crashed and should be repaired |May 27 22:56
tessierInteresting.May 27 22:56
schestowitzHmmm... cache does not sound so crucial.May 27 22:57
schestowitzUnless it's not part of the scheme but an mysql thingMay 27 22:57
schestowitz*schemaMay 27 22:58
tessierOk, looks like we are good to go now.May 27 22:58
taconewhat's happening ?May 27 22:58
schestowitztacone: mysql issueMay 27 22:58
tessiermysql> repair table boycottn_wiki.objectcache;May 27 22:58
tessier| boycottn_wiki.objectcache | repair | warning  | Number of rows changed from 152 to 153 |May 27 22:58
tessierSomehow the number of rows count got off.May 27 22:58
schestowitzyay! It's mint again.May 27 22:58
taconewhich issue ?May 27 22:58
tessierI've never seen that happen before.May 27 22:58
schestowitzMe neitherMay 27 22:59
schestowitzI've had good experience with mysql for 6 yearsMay 27 22:59
schestowitzIt once crashes for me under huge loadMay 27 22:59
schestowitzThen a repair fixed itMay 27 22:59
taconeuhm. unclean shutdown ?May 27 22:59
schestowitzIn Jan-Mar 2009 when I did lots of Comes we did like 200-300 mysql queries/secMay 27 22:59
schestowitzBut we had no caching thenMay 27 23:00
a_villacisLeaving issues of speed aside, does anybody know why gnome-do is frequently chosen as a default for distros (for example, Fedora 10) rather than deskbar-applet? Is there any known functionality that gnome-do has and deskbar-applet does not?May 27 23:00
taconea_villacis: prettynessMay 27 23:01
taconeand guess it has more pluginsMay 27 23:01
taconebut i didn't know fedora shipped it by defaultMay 27 23:01
taconei thought fedora was adverse to monoMay 27 23:02
taconea_villacis: also deskbar in the past crashed many times for me. i never saw gnome-do crashing.May 27 23:02
a_villacisI might be wrong, but last time I installed Fedora 10 from the CD set, the default GNOME session started gnome-do by default. I uninstalled it because I had no use for it at the time, and my machine had only 512 Mb of RAM.May 27 23:03
a_villacisI was toying with the idea of reimplementing gnome-do in python, but I think I should try to improve deskbar-applet instead.May 27 23:06
a_villacisIf deskbar-applet is really crashing for some people, that would be a good place to tart.May 27 23:07
a_villaciss/tart/start/May 27 23:07
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taconesorry, disconnectedMay 27 23:09
taconei can't check fedora 10 defaultsMay 27 23:09
taconei'm pretty curious about fedora 11.May 27 23:09
a_villacisFrom a quick look at the code of gnome-do, the prettyness comes down to a skinnable interface that uses Cairo.May 27 23:11
taconea_villacis: yepMay 27 23:13
taconealso, frankly, the firefox ubiquity parser is much better than gnome do'sMay 27 23:14
taconebut that's itMay 27 23:17
MinceRwell, sometimes the document opening part doesn't work in deskbarMay 27 23:18
taconei think the mono software is pretty polishedMay 27 23:18
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taconethey are doing a good workMay 27 23:18
taconethe problem is their platform, not the software itself.May 27 23:18
MinceRnow it remembers the file it didn't want to know aboutMay 27 23:18
MinceR(after i've opened it via its full path :> )May 27 23:18
MinceRand it's a lot faster if you turn off Tracker Live SearchMay 27 23:18
taconespecial exception for f-spot which i don't like nor understandMay 27 23:18
MinceRi find gqview a lot more useful than f-spotMay 27 23:19
MinceRgqview can keep its collections in filesMay 27 23:19
MinceRf-spot insists on keeping a media library of picturesMay 27 23:19
MinceRand i insist on not using such media libraries, so i don't use f-spot :>May 27 23:19
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taconei don't take many photos, so i'm not in the right position to judgeMay 27 23:20
taconeiPhoto seems much better than f-spot by the wayMay 27 23:20
tacone(and I don't like apple software that much)May 27 23:20
MinceRi don't take a lot of photos eitherMay 27 23:22
taconei'm actually surprised they don't do a video editing softwareMay 27 23:23
MinceRthe only digital cameras i have are the one built into my old phone and my qtek 9100May 27 23:23
taconethat would earn them a place in any distributionMay 27 23:23
MinceRperhaps it would be unusably slowMay 27 23:23
taconethey just do yet another mp3 player, desktop search, photo management.May 27 23:23
taconewell, they don't have to do everything in mono. they could just talk to ffmpeg or stuff like thatMay 27 23:24
taconeeven tomboy has a c part.May 27 23:24
taconeyet another istant messenger (on kde..)May 27 23:24
taconewhat's not clear to me is how much novell backs those software developersMay 27 23:25
taconedo they get paid ?May 27 23:25
neighborlee_Even if its done for free,  it doesn't matter as a rat by any other name bites just as hardMay 27 23:28
MinceRprobably m$ pays novell and novell pays the developers in turnMay 27 23:28
schestowitzAccording to Dawkins, Einstein too did not believe in God: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugaM7lJrUxQ&feature=relatedMay 27 23:28
neighborlee_Thats my take on it yes..would that surpirse anyone ? ;))May 27 23:28
schestowitzMinceR: differntMay 27 23:29
MinceRin The God Delusion he discusses definitions of God :)May 27 23:29
schestowitzIn reverseMay 27 23:29
schestowitzThose who don't like Mono quit or get expelledMay 27 23:29
schestowitzHubert did not like MonoMay 27 23:29
schestowitzHe protested in 2006May 27 23:29
MinceRschestowitz: so all these projects are done by novell employees in their free time?May 27 23:29
schestowitzThat can't have rubbed Monovell the right wayMay 27 23:29
schestowitzSo it's selection by preferenceMay 27 23:29
schestowitzRather than the other way aroundMay 27 23:29
schestowitzThink along the lines of:May 27 23:30
taconeschestowitz: thanks for the election linkMay 27 23:30
schestowitzDo tall people play basketball?May 27 23:30
schestowitzOr does basketball make people tall?May 27 23:30
taconethat was definitely a post not worth doing. nobody cared.May 27 23:30
schestowitztacone: np :-)May 27 23:30
schestowitzYou noticed very fastMay 27 23:30
MinceRschestowitz: getting expelled only works if they already work for novellMay 27 23:30
schestowitztacone: I was shocked nobody commentedMay 27 23:31
taconeschestowitz: protested about what ?May 27 23:31
MinceRschestowitz: then they either get paid for doing it or they don'tMay 27 23:31
schestowitzSaw it in Susan's feed before I read yoursMay 27 23:31
schestowitzIt's good to put faces on the nameMay 27 23:31
taconeschestowitz: people like crap. like appstores :PMay 27 23:31
schestowitz*namesMay 27 23:31
MinceRschestowitz: if it's the former then it's what i said before; if it's the latter then they're done by novell employees in their free timeMay 27 23:31
schestowitzUbuntu tooMay 27 23:31
schestowitzIf I write about Ubuntu , then more people careMay 27 23:31
schestowitzTrend spotting....May 27 23:31
taconeubuntu had a good impact.May 27 23:31
schestowitzOpen source is less attrative nowMay 27 23:31
schestowitzIt lost the meaningMay 27 23:32
taconei think it will be a good thing even in the long termMay 27 23:32
taconeas long as sabdfl is the chairmanMay 27 23:32
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MinceRless attractive to whom?May 27 23:32
schestowitzYou can see this stuff in zeitgeists like Google TrendsMay 27 23:32
MinceRto those who think freedom is important or to the sleepers?May 27 23:32
schestowitzsleepers?May 27 23:33
taconeschestowitz: i also think this uds has a lot of hot things. it may really pay off if they do what they're discussing about.May 27 23:33
schestowitzSlippers? :-)May 27 23:33
MinceRthose who don't realize what's at stake when m$ tries to take over the worldMay 27 23:33
schestowitzYesMay 27 23:33
schestowitzOr what's counteredMay 27 23:33
schestowitzLook at AppleMay 27 23:33
MinceRthose who gladly sell all their freedoms for a little money... and unfortunately they also sell my freedomsMay 27 23:33
schestowitzSOmeone 'dared' to put their 0s and 1s on a standard boxMay 27 23:33
schestowitzThey filed Ch11May 27 23:33
schestowitzNot because they couldn't install itMay 27 23:33
schestowitzBecause Apple would not allow themMay 27 23:34
MinceRwhat i find particularly sad about it is that people want those 0s and 1sMay 27 23:34
schestowitzThis is just a case study in the whole "if Microsoft went away, that may not be enough"May 27 23:34
MinceRwhen they could get something that's better in every way at no costMay 27 23:34
MinceRwithout legal threatsMay 27 23:34
schestowitzYesMay 27 23:34
schestowitzNeeds marketingMay 27 23:34
schestowitzGlitzy themesMay 27 23:35
MinceRit needs a lot more than glitzy themesMay 27 23:38
MinceRi don't know what kind of marketing is needed hereMay 27 23:38
schestowitzhttp://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3822091/Striking-the-Right-Gnote.htmMay 27 23:44
schestowitz"By "I have already worked with them to fix one interoperability issue" he means, "I told a bug reporter that I didn't care about the fact that GNote breaks the note format so that Tomboy can't read GNote notes because I don't support ever returning to GNote, so if they want the notes to work with both, that's Tomboy's problem, and then Sandy modified Tomboy to deal with my incompatibility issues.""May 27 23:44
schestowitzGPLv3 **AND** Data routes... Gnote takes centre stageMay 27 23:44
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schestowitztessier: is outgoing mail up and running?May 27 23:46
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taconewho doesn't care ?May 27 23:54
taconei can't understand what mackenzie saidMay 27 23:55
schestowitzUbuntu's?May 27 23:57

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