| _Mutex_ | does not matter if you give out sub-prime home loans and put people on the streets, but if you write proptietary code you are morally corrupt !! | Jun 11 00:00 |
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| _Mutex_ | funny old world it is :) | Jun 11 00:00 |
| mib_piuqy3 | So? It's still the people who make the rules for the company. The people are morally responsible. Not the company, the company doesn't decide this by itself. | Jun 11 00:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz found it! http://bit.ly/Kgmh4 | Jun 11 00:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz more specifically: http://bit.ly/3wVGte | Jun 11 00:00 | |
| ThistleWeb | damnit, every time I see f11 I keep thinking it's the key, not Fedora 11. I need to train my eyes with the translator | Jun 11 00:01 |
| yuhong | I have read the "Ten Inherent Rules of Corporate Behavior" and while I don't think the rules are that inherent, it does briefly describe some of the problems that are involved.. | Jun 11 00:01 |
| splosion_ | hypothetical situation. You're a manager. You have two choices. Lay-off thirty people, or give yourself a bonus. You could justify that decision easily. By getting the bonus, you are more motivated to do a better job in the future, and maybe you could employ many more people! You could look at it that way, but try explaining that decision to the SOBs you laid | Jun 11 00:01 |
| splosion_ | HAHA | Jun 11 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I've stacked up all the discs I burned under Vista and am shooting them with a C02 pellet gun | Jun 11 00:01 |
| splosion_ | laid off | Jun 11 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | at least this way they're good for something | Jun 11 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno, being laid may soften the blow | Jun 11 00:02 |
| splosion_ | haha | Jun 11 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | that could also sound rude | Jun 11 00:02 |
| mib_piuqy3 | That's still a person deciding, what's your point? | Jun 11 00:02 |
| mib_piuqy3 | The decision was made by a person | Jun 11 00:03 |
| _Mutex_ | they make good coasters | Jun 11 00:03 |
| splosion_ | the point is people will hate him for it. | Jun 11 00:03 |
| ThistleWeb | splosion_: it'd also depend on who's sent to do the laying | Jun 11 00:03 |
| splosion_ | ThistleWeb: Ballmer. In a flying chair. | Jun 11 00:03 |
| mib_331k89 | My only issue is that I believe that BoycottNovell may actually be hurting the Linux advancement. That's just me. | Jun 11 00:03 |
| _Mutex_ | but thats what I said to you hours ago, Windows DVD burner is crap use burn4free | Jun 11 00:03 |
| ThistleWeb | Chitty Chitty Bing Bing huh? | Jun 11 00:03 |
| splosion_ | s/Ch/Sh/g | Jun 11 00:04 |
| _Mutex_ | you may very well be right mib | Jun 11 00:04 |
| mib_piuqy3 | So, you're agreeing that you're previous statement is wrong, and that it's not companies that aren't moral, it's the people behind them. | Jun 11 00:04 |
| yuhong | Correct. | Jun 11 00:04 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/01/antitrust-letters-doj/ | Jun 11 00:05 |
| splosion_ | mib_piuqy3: err, no | Jun 11 00:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mono is causing some people to move to KDE: http://ping.fm/2nrzm | Jun 11 00:05 | |
| mib_piuqy3 | Well, you're still wrong. | Jun 11 00:05 |
| splosion_ | explain | Jun 11 00:05 |
| mib_331k89 | which mib? _Mutex_ | Jun 11 00:05 |
| _Mutex_ | my previous statement was to question your definition of "moral", i dont consider writing or selling software immoral, i consider sub-prime loads handed out and Dafour to be immorral, and yes its people not componies | Jun 11 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | fuck it, it's going to be easier to redo everything than try to salvage this mess | Jun 11 00:06 |
| mib_piuqy3 | People make the decisions. This isn't hard stuff, a company is as moral as the person who runs it. | Jun 11 00:06 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jun 11 00:06 |
| _Mutex_ | FC it was hours ago, did you by chance download a 3rd party burner and redo them, or just carry on destroying CD's ? | Jun 11 00:07 |
| yuhong | Well, actually that is another mess altogether. | Jun 11 00:07 |
| yuhong | http://www.slowleadership.org/blog/2007/11/why-you-should-always-take-business-personally/ | Jun 11 00:07 |
| splosion_ | mib_piuqy3: Oh right I see. The point I'm making is that a company's first interest is towards its shareholders. That takes precedence over everything and transcends morals. However the management justify the decisions in their own minds is irrelevant. It's an afterthought. | Jun 11 00:08 |
| yuhong | I know, it is called "shareholder value". | Jun 11 00:08 |
| ThistleWeb | if you can find some moral excuse for your actions and there's enough reward in it for you, you can convince yourself of anything | Jun 11 00:09 |
| yuhong | We need to move Wall Street away from this. | Jun 11 00:09 |
| _Mutex_ | splosion your right up until the part about transcends moralls, what moralls ? who's moralls, | Jun 11 00:09 |
| mib_piuqy3 | Oh forget it, I'm right, you're stupid. Give up. | Jun 11 00:10 |
| splosion_ | _Mutex_: anyone's morals. it doesn't matter whose. | Jun 11 00:10 |
| _Mutex_ | we're talking about immoral behaviour wall street should be centre stage | Jun 11 00:10 |
| *mib_piuqy3 Gets made and gives up. | Jun 11 00:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Microsoft discontinues MS Money http://bit.ly/1bxxt8 | Jun 11 00:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: Thanks, updated http://bit.ly/58vpO | Jun 11 00:10 | |
| _Mutex_ | Yes it does, obviously not everyone has the same moralls, its varies very very widely, they why some things (like eating mean) is highly offensive to one person and normal to another | Jun 11 00:11 |
| yuhong | Yep, Google Books is good to the public but evil to publishers. | Jun 11 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | SecuROM won't let Wine loas this setup | Jun 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Haha. "Though they’re still spending $100 million to advertise the Microsoft Bob Hope search engine." http://notnews.today.com/2009/06/10/microsoft-discontinues-ms-money/ | Jun 11 00:11 |
| splosion_ | mib_piuqy3: anyhoo, that's your original query answered. People hate the actions of corporations because they disagree with them. Nobody gives a fuck about how it's great for shareholders if it disadvantages them personally. | Jun 11 00:11 |
| yuhong | I mean Google Book Search. | Jun 11 00:11 |
| _Mutex_ | not wearing a headscalf if you are female in some countries is considered highly immoral, but its accecpted in teh est | Jun 11 00:12 |
| _Mutex_ | west | Jun 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: good for some publishers too | Jun 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Their books would not be found or read ottherwise | Jun 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Esp. the old or lesser known authors | Jun 11 00:12 |
| yuhong | But some of them call it evil, and a case of hypocracy. | Jun 11 00:13 |
| schestowitz | But public domain should not belong to a company | Jun 11 00:13 |
| mib_piuqy3 | So, people basically hate a company that' | Jun 11 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmmm | Jun 11 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Google also bought Deja News | Jun 11 00:13 |
| mib_piuqy3 | s run by people | Jun 11 00:13 |
| _Mutex_ | and how does a company that you refust to deal with, that you cliam you have better products than them disadvantage you personally ? | Jun 11 00:13 |
| yuhong | And that is the problem. | Jun 11 00:13 |
| schestowitz | So to many people, Google IS USENET | Jun 11 00:13 |
| mib_piuqy3 | Damn my keyboard | Jun 11 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | "Likewise, Oblivion GOTY Edition uses Securom and won't install with pre 0.9.55 versions of Wine. Use a version of Wine above 0.9.55 or, it can be installed by setting the Windows version to "Windows Vista" in winecfg, and creating the key "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\MountedDevices" in regedit before running OblivionLauncher.exe" | Jun 11 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jun 11 00:13 |
| yuhong | Yep, I use Google Groups a lot. | Jun 11 00:13 |
| splosion_ | _Mutex_: I don't do either of those things | Jun 11 00:13 |
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| yuhong | They were able to get USENET archives dating back to 1981. | Jun 11 00:14 |
| _Mutex_ | so you do use MS and dont think FOSS is better, and you think MS is still disadvantaging you personally ok | Jun 11 00:14 |
| _Mutex_ | ahh back when all there was was FTP and telnet :) | Jun 11 00:15 |
| _Mutex_ | no WWW | Jun 11 00:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good USB key for Greens or Linux users (or both): http://ping.fm/AYOVO | Jun 11 00:15 | |
| splosion_ | _Mutex_: no. read that sentence again. I said people, not me, just people | Jun 11 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | and it still fails | Jun 11 00:16 |
| _Mutex_ | fair enough, | Jun 11 00:16 |
| yuhong | Fixing the corpocracy would also be a good idea. | Jun 11 00:16 |
| splosion_ | yeah | Jun 11 00:16 |
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| yuhong | Moving wall street away from maximizing shareholder value is IMO important. | Jun 11 00:16 |
| splosion_ | if Microsoft ever makes a business decision that actually manages to destroy Linux (not that they will), then yeah, I'll hate them with a vengeance for taking away my OS :P | Jun 11 00:17 |
| yuhong | Look up the Chicago School of economics. | Jun 11 00:17 |
| _Mutex_ | I still have a little trouble seeing how, or why MS is worse than the guys handing out sub-prime loads, or that guy who ripped off all those billions, or enron and so one MS is far far down the list | Jun 11 00:17 |
| splosion_ | _Mutex_: I don't think they are | Jun 11 00:17 |
| ThistleWeb | we at least have RMS to thank for giving us Microsoft's Kryptonite, AKA the GPL | Jun 11 00:18 |
| splosion_ | I don't like the business decions that MS makes, but I think that there are much worse things in the world. So what? | Jun 11 00:18 |
| _Mutex_ | you think they are on par with the ponsie scheme, or enron? | Jun 11 00:18 |
| yuhong | The nonsense called "maximizing shareholder value" effectively destoryed the american automakers. | Jun 11 00:18 |
| yuhong | And caused too many very bad things to happen that i won't even mention. | Jun 11 00:19 |
| _Mutex_ | the only group the american automakers can blame for the problems of the american automakers, is,,,,,, the american automakers. | Jun 11 00:19 |
| splosion_ | I don't really compare. It depends how much it makes me swear. Massacres get the strongest swearwords when I hear about them. | Jun 11 00:19 |
| yuhong | MS was evil not because of shareholder value, however. | Jun 11 00:19 |
| splosion_ | that's right | Jun 11 00:20 |
| _Mutex_ | I mean thousands of people lose their retirement fun, or investors lose their life savings, of families lose their house, and a company that sells software, employes 60,000 US workers is somehow evil is I have to admit beyond my reasoning. | Jun 11 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5688/screenshotxdx.png | Jun 11 00:21 |
| splosion_ | Looking after your shareholders is what being a company is all about. It's the decisions they make to achieve that end that cause people to argue about whether or not its evil. | Jun 11 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | splosion_: There you go | Jun 11 00:21 |
| yuhong | splosion_: Espicially thanks to shareholder value. | Jun 11 00:22 |
| splosion_ | What's that? Oblivion? | Jun 11 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | heh, it was supposed to be | Jun 11 00:22 |
| splosion_ | Never tried Wine-ing it. | Jun 11 00:23 |
| splosion_ | Guess it's probably a bad idea now | Jun 11 00:23 |
| yuhong | But even before the shareholder value movement you had to look after your shareholders. | Jun 11 00:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: U Studio with Wine? | Jun 11 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Why Wine? | Jun 11 00:23 |
| yuhong | But you don't have to make every decision favor them. | Jun 11 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | now Linux won't give me my disc back | Jun 11 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | hold please | Jun 11 00:23 |
| *DaemonFC grabs a shotgun and tries to reason with Linux | Jun 11 00:24 | |
| splosion_ | DaemonFC: did you download Oblivion off thems torrents? | Jun 11 00:24 |
| yuhong | Looking after your shareholders don't mean that you don't have to make every decision favor them. | Jun 11 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jun 11 00:24 |
| splosion_ | yuhong: no, but you'll kill your business if you make a habit of it | Jun 11 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | I already said I don't steal | Jun 11 00:24 |
| yuhong | Why? | Jun 11 00:25 |
| splosion_ | DaemonFC: you just blew your chance for me to say "STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM" | Jun 11 00:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE 4.3 is out soon. http://ping.fm/BJDM7 Based on my hands-on experience with KDE4, it's great. | Jun 11 00:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Linux is released. http://ping.fm/SM74I | Jun 11 00:25 | |
| yuhong | Any actual evidence to prove this? | Jun 11 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Linux also totally fucks my webcam | Jun 11 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | both Ubuntu and Fedora | Jun 11 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | a total UVC compliant camera | Jun 11 00:25 |
| yuhong | I bet it is thanks to the shareholder value movement. | Jun 11 00:26 |
| splosion_ | yuhong: think about it. If you make decions that hurt your stocks, people will sell. And your company will become worthless. | Jun 11 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9956/20090610194123.jpg | Jun 11 00:26 |
| ThistleWeb | splosion_: so you rebrand | Jun 11 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently this is why Russian porn looks like they shot it on 8MM film and left it in a barn for 20 years | Jun 11 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Linux treated as a first: http://www.h-online.com/open/First-Linux-USB-3-0-drivers-emerge--/news/113493 | Jun 11 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | they use Cheese | Jun 11 00:26 |
| ThistleWeb | new site, new image | Jun 11 00:26 |
| splosion_ | ThistleWeb: or collapse completely. That seems to be the most popular way for businesses to go these days | Jun 11 00:27 |
| ThistleWeb | that too | Jun 11 00:27 |
| yuhong | And unfortunately the shareholder value movement means that CEOs and execs are pressured to maximize stock price regardless of the costs. | Jun 11 00:27 |
| yuhong | Google called it insanity. | Jun 11 00:27 |
| *DaemonFC goes to get his Vista disc | Jun 11 00:27 | |
| DaemonFC | or perhaps | Jun 11 00:28 |
| _Mutex_ | does not stop google playing the same game | Jun 11 00:28 |
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| DaemonFC | sweet jesus | Jun 11 00:28 |
| splosion_ | DaemonFC: I bought Oblivion too. protip: I got 35fps on Vista with medium graphics. On XP I got 65+ | Jun 11 00:28 |
| _Mutex_ | or red hat, or any FOSS publicly listed company | Jun 11 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | every version of Ubuntu breaks something else that used to work fine | Jun 11 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what particular brand of crack these people smoke | Jun 11 00:29 |
| yuhong | And I agree, we should move away from that nonsense that is "shareholder value". | Jun 11 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | anyhow, bbiab | Jun 11 00:29 |
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| yuhong | Wall Street desperately needs to be changed. | Jun 11 00:29 |
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| _Mutex_ | shareholder value, is "company value" divided by the number of sharholders. | Jun 11 00:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Site Shuns GNU/Linux Users < http://ping.fm/9vYBB > MapsOnUs = #FAIL | Jun 11 00:30 | |
| yuhong | We should move away from the "shareholder value" way of thinking. | Jun 11 00:30 |
| yuhong | Including the quarterly earning predictions. | Jun 11 00:30 |
| _Mutex_ | to what ? | Jun 11 00:30 |
| splosion_ | Real-time updates? | Jun 11 00:31 |
| yuhong | Google don't provide any. | Jun 11 00:31 |
| yuhong | Well, I don't know. | Jun 11 00:31 |
| splosion_ | Or as real-time as possible actual updates, maybe. | Jun 11 00:31 |
| _Mutex_ | every listed company does that allready, its called the stock market | Jun 11 00:31 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jun 11 00:31 |
| yuhong | But what is important is to move away from the "shareholder value" way of thinking. | Jun 11 00:32 |
| _Mutex_ | is easy to say more away from something, but towards what ? | Jun 11 00:32 |
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| yuhong | http://www.slowleadership.org/blog/2007/11/why-you-should-always-take-business-personally/ | Jun 11 00:33 |
| yuhong | http://www.slowleadership.org/blog/2008/06/guanteddymo-bay-where-efficiency-meets-insanity/ | Jun 11 00:33 |
| yuhong | Some states has already passed laws designed to move away from this thinking. | Jun 11 00:34 |
| _Mutex_ | they are not talking about moving away from sharholder value, if anything it was talking about increasing sharehold value by outsourcing. | Jun 11 00:35 |
| _Mutex_ | away from it TO WHAT ?? | Jun 11 00:36 |
| _Mutex_ | outsourcing the work to 3rd world countries ? great plan | Jun 11 00:36 |
| yuhong | No, certainly not, that is why we should not move away from shareholder value. | Jun 11 00:37 |
| yuhong | But to what? I don't know yet, but I am thinking of doing more research on this. | Jun 11 00:37 |
| yuhong | But anyways, bye for now. | Jun 11 00:37 |
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| _Mutex_ | sounds like execspeak to me, again, its easy to say to move away, but what is the viable alternative you propose ? | Jun 11 00:38 |
| _Mutex_ | ok bye :) | Jun 11 00:38 |
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| DaemonXP | so it seems that Fedora, Mandriva, and Ubuntu no longer comply with the UVC standard, because they all mess up the video feed | Jun 11 00:43 |
| splosion_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#hAl_Microsoft_Topic_Ban spin spin spin. This debate is heating up. | Jun 11 00:44 |
| DaemonXP | why is it that every revision of every Linux system seems to break something I own that the last one worked fine with? | Jun 11 00:44 |
| DaemonXP | assuming it actually ever worked | Jun 11 00:45 |
| splosion_ | Sod's Law? | Jun 11 00:45 |
| DaemonXP | I'm going to call it "Ryan's Law", the draft version is "The more hardware you buy for Linux the less it useful it becomes" and part two of the law "Part 1 goes double if it was expensive" | Jun 11 00:46 |
| DaemonXP | *less useful | Jun 11 00:46 |
| splosion_ | You need a constant for luck. | Jun 11 00:46 |
| DaemonXP | ahem part three could be "Looking through a publically maintained database of supported hardware is a less productive use of time than masturbating" | Jun 11 00:48 |
| splosion_ | And pi. Because the ratio of a circle's curvature to its diameter appaears in every fucking equation I have to use even when it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with circles. RARRRGH | Jun 11 00:48 |
| splosion_ | *circumference | Jun 11 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I'll post links in the morning. Too tired. gn. | Jun 11 00:49 |
| splosion_ | tah | Jun 11 00:49 |
| DaemonXP | Ubuntu is an alternative to Windows that will run about half your software (through Wine) and *some* of your hardware | Jun 11 00:49 |
| DaemonXP | and saves you $50 | Jun 11 00:50 |
| DaemonXP | "But that hardware cost me at least $300" | Jun 11 00:51 |
| DaemonXP | NYET!!!!! You can't say that, it's not allowed on Ubuntu Forums!!! graw!!!!!! | Jun 11 00:51 |
| splosion_ | DaemonXP: it's not really a Law, though. I lucked out totally on my desktop. My laptop has been a pain, though | Jun 11 00:51 |
| DaemonXP | I don't know, the choice between Windows and Linux kind of makes throwing my computer away look better and better all the time | Jun 11 00:52 |
| DaemonXP | lmao | Jun 11 00:52 |
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| DaemonXP | I'm not exactly wild about either and each for different reasons | Jun 11 00:54 |
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| splosion_ | I can see why | Jun 11 00:55 |
| splosion_ | I lucked out when I switched. Really lucked out. In fact, it was pretty damned awesome | Jun 11 00:56 |
| splosion_ | still is | Jun 11 00:56 |
| splosion_ | it's like a never-ending orgasm | Jun 11 00:56 |
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| DaemonXP | hmmmm | Jun 11 00:56 |
| DaemonXP | well, if I don't mind haing my video camera feed making me look like a jaundiced 70s porn star and not being able to send the feed out to Ustream | Jun 11 00:57 |
| DaemonXP | Linux is an option | Jun 11 00:57 |
| DaemonXP | *having | Jun 11 00:57 |
| DaemonXP | maybe it does that so you don't *want* anyone to see the stream | Jun 11 00:58 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 00:58 |
| splosion_ | it's a look | Jun 11 00:58 |
| DaemonXP | it's not hard to see why everyone wants to downgrade back to XP | Jun 11 01:00 |
| DaemonXP | Microsoft topic ban? | Jun 11 01:01 |
| DaemonXP | wtf is that? | Jun 11 01:01 |
| splosion_ | hrmm? | Jun 11 01:01 |
| DaemonXP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#hAl_Microsoft_Topic_Ban | Jun 11 01:02 |
| splosion_ | he's the guy trolling wikipedia to edit the articles to make MS appear in a batter light. And now he's being accused of a conflict of interest by someone involved with ODF. The result, a dramamine | Jun 11 01:03 |
| splosion_ | sbatter/better | Jun 11 01:03 |
| DaemonXP | I use Windows, but I try not to get entangled in Microsoft document, media, etc. formats | Jun 11 01:04 |
| splosion_ | Good idea. Support for them is always eventually dropped | Jun 11 01:04 |
| DaemonXP | it's just not good practices to save anything you want to hold onto in a format that's patent encumbered | Jun 11 01:04 |
| DaemonXP | and in WMA's case anyway, inferior to all its competition | Jun 11 01:05 |
| splosion_ | yeah | Jun 11 01:05 |
| DaemonXP | well, like, my webcam for instance, Logitech tries to make you use WMA/WMV, so I just install the driver, and use VLC to capture | Jun 11 01:05 |
| DaemonXP | I really do't like being railroaded into using proprietary formats like that | Jun 11 01:06 |
| DaemonXP | you know MP3 will be around another 20 years | Jun 11 01:06 |
| splosion_ | seriously, you need to check out winff for your encoding needs, by the way. Converts anything to anything. A bit like Super! for Windows, expect it doesn't look like vomit nor is it hard to use. | Jun 11 01:06 |
| splosion_ | except* | Jun 11 01:07 |
| DaemonXP | I've been using Foobar 2000 as a frontend to Lame.exe | Jun 11 01:07 |
| DaemonXP | works well enough | Jun 11 01:07 |
| splosion_ | Can it convert flvs to h.264 and copy the audio stream into a separate mp3 at the same and use all your processor cores to do it? HUH? | Jun 11 01:08 |
| DaemonXP | it can't play video | Jun 11 01:08 |
| DaemonXP | but since all the converter does is pass command line switches | Jun 11 01:09 |
| DaemonXP | I suppose you could make it convert videos | Jun 11 01:09 |
| splosion_ | Aye | Jun 11 01:11 |
| DaemonXP | hmmm | Jun 11 01:11 |
| splosion_ | Here's the command winff passes to the commandline to convert flvs: | Jun 11 01:11 |
| DaemonXP | and of course Vista can read this disc | Jun 11 01:11 |
| splosion_ | ffmpeg -i "S01E02.flv" -r 29.97 -vcodec libx264 -s 640x480 -aspect 4:3 -flags +loop -cmp +chroma -deblockalpha 0 -deblockbeta 0 -b 256kb -maxrate 1500k -bufsize 4M -bt 256k -refs 1 -bf 3 -coder 1 -me_method umh -me_range 16 -subq 7 -partitions +parti4x4+parti8x8+partp8x8+partb8x8 -g 250 -keyint_min 25 -level 30 -qm | Jun 11 01:11 |
| *DaemonXP is going to try to dump everything and make a new disc with Img Burn | Jun 11 01:11 | |
| splosion_ | ...-qmin 10 -qmax 51 -qcomp 0.6 -trellis 2 -sc_threshold 40 -i_qfactor 0.71 -acodec libfaac -ab 192kb -ar 48000 -ac 2 "S01E02.mp4" | Jun 11 01:12 |
| splosion_ | You could type that all in, I suppose | Jun 11 01:12 |
| DaemonXP | Winamp also makes a good MP3 encoder | Jun 11 01:12 |
| DaemonXP | you need Nero to get good results with variable bitrate MP4 though | Jun 11 01:13 |
| splosion_ | Yeah that's what I used to use | Jun 11 01:13 |
| DaemonXP | Winamp only does constant on those | Jun 11 01:13 |
| DaemonXP | it's pretty funny to me | Jun 11 01:13 |
| DaemonXP | cause everything else Nero makes is expensive, bloated, and shitty | Jun 11 01:13 |
| DaemonXP | but their MP4 encoder is awesome and they give it away | Jun 11 01:14 |
| DaemonXP | ahhh, "Ryan's Law of big bloated software companies"....."They always seem to make hundreds of really awful products, and one really great one that everyone manages to wonder how the hell it happened" | Jun 11 01:15 |
| splosion_ | They know people are stupid, though | Jun 11 01:15 |
| DaemonXP | so what's Nero's advantage in giving away the MP4 encoder? | Jun 11 01:16 |
| splosion_ | Swiftfox at 307.203mb. grah | Jun 11 01:16 |
| splosion_ | DaemonXP: how many people are going to really use that feature? Most people I would imagine only care about ripping dem choons to their PC or whatever | Jun 11 01:16 |
| DaemonXP | fair enough | Jun 11 01:17 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, Windows Media Player pops up and encodes it to WMA | Jun 11 01:17 |
| DaemonXP | that's so convenient | Jun 11 01:17 |
| DaemonXP | ;) | Jun 11 01:17 |
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| splosion_ | y'know PowerISO? They give away their Linux version for free! | Jun 11 01:18 |
| splosion_ | It has been a useful tool for when I mistakenly forget to check that a torrent is in their shitty image format | Jun 11 01:18 |
| DaemonXP | the official XChat for Windows is $20 | Jun 11 01:18 |
| splosion_ | hah | Jun 11 01:19 |
| DaemonXP | but since it's open source, there's a number of unofficial builds | Jun 11 01:19 |
| DaemonXP | so it really doesn't matter | Jun 11 01:19 |
| splosion_ | what's the licence? | Jun 11 01:19 |
| DaemonXP | the unofficial builds can even use the same themes | Jun 11 01:19 |
| DaemonXP | for the source code, it's GPL 2 | Jun 11 01:19 |
| DaemonXP | but he violates the license | Jun 11 01:19 |
| DaemonXP | cause he links his shareware enforcement code to it | Jun 11 01:20 |
| DaemonXP | without providing source code for that ;) | Jun 11 01:20 |
| splosion_ | tsk | Jun 11 01:21 |
| DaemonXP | in fact, he didn't even write a lot of XChat, he kept it free even on Windows | Jun 11 01:21 |
| DaemonXP | until everyone else wrote a lot of it for him | Jun 11 01:21 |
| DaemonXP | then made the Windows version shareware | Jun 11 01:21 |
| splosion_ | reminds me of some guy I saw on Ebay recently. He was selling boxed sets of Gimp and OpenOffice and other stuff, but packages to look anything but. He made them look like proprietary contenders to Adobe and Microsoft's offerings. Professional tools. I wonder how much money he was making | Jun 11 01:22 |
| splosion_ | packaged* | Jun 11 01:23 |
| DaemonXP | that is legal | Jun 11 01:23 |
| DaemonXP | the license allows it | Jun 11 01:23 |
| DaemonXP | distateful, deceitful, wrong, and dishonest | Jun 11 01:24 |
| DaemonXP | but totally, 100% legal | Jun 11 01:24 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 01:24 |
| splosion_ | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IMAGE-PHOTO-EDITOR-SOFTWARE-fits-PHOTOSHOP-CS-on-CD_W0QQitemZ180366736701QQihZ008QQcategoryZ51344QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262 | Jun 11 01:24 |
| splosion_ | IThis is a professional photo editor that has all the same features and strengths of photoshop . This is FULLY LICENSED and is a truly stunning piece of image editing software. | Jun 11 01:24 |
| splosion_ | Awesome | Jun 11 01:24 |
| splosion_ | It's called "Pro Image Editor". hahaha | Jun 11 01:25 |
| DaemonXP | and he doesn't refer to GIMP anywhere on the page | Jun 11 01:25 |
| DaemonXP | that's funny | Jun 11 01:25 |
| splosion_ | I should leave some feedback along the lines of, "Also available online for free!" But I guess you can say that lots of stuff. | Jun 11 01:26 |
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| splosion_ | about+ | Jun 11 01:27 |
| ThistleWeb | all Windows software is "available free on the internet" albeit not legally | Jun 11 01:27 |
| DaemonXP | which is why free software isn't taking off | Jun 11 01:28 |
| DaemonXP | Windows is free too | Jun 11 01:28 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 01:28 |
| ThistleWeb | one-virus-per-child | Jun 11 01:28 |
| DaemonXP | I call it One License Per Child | Jun 11 01:28 |
| DaemonXP | ;) | Jun 11 01:28 |
| DaemonXP | the XP XOs | Jun 11 01:29 |
| splosion_ | The Licence agreement says, "If you plan on having another child, please contact our customer hotline to confirm a new Licence for your offspring to ensure that he or she gets the very best Windows Genuine Advantage has to offer." | Jun 11 01:30 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jun 11 01:30 |
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| DaemonXP | I figured out that my cable internet alone would be $60 a month, but they drop it down to $29.99 if you subscribe to cable TV at all, so I was going to drop the cable TV but happened to sak if they had just a basic channel package, turns out they did for $10 a month | Jun 11 01:40 |
| DaemonXP | so the $10 a month plan they don't advertise still drops your internet bill by $30 | Jun 11 01:41 |
| InTheLoo | do you guys know this dude called twitter | Jun 11 01:41 |
| InTheLoo | user on slashdot | Jun 11 01:41 |
| DaemonXP | yes | Jun 11 01:41 |
| DaemonXP | he's a combative asshole | Jun 11 01:41 |
| DaemonXP | what about him? | Jun 11 01:41 |
| InTheLoo | :) | Jun 11 01:41 |
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| InTheLoo | i was wondering if that page on slashdot that i followed here is true | Jun 11 01:42 |
| InTheLoo | so many accounts? | Jun 11 01:42 |
| DaemonXP | apparently | Jun 11 01:42 |
| splosion_ | he'll be around here eventually. go ahead and ask him | Jun 11 01:42 |
| InTheLoo | they all seem to be the same person | Jun 11 01:42 |
| InTheLoo | from the style | Jun 11 01:42 |
| InTheLoo | a lot of "M$" this and that | Jun 11 01:42 |
| DaemonXP | he bounces off a Russian proxy server and a Chinese satellite cause otherwise Microsoft would send black heicopters after him | Jun 11 01:43 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 01:43 |
| splosion_ | InTheLoo: can you give us a link? | Jun 11 01:43 |
| InTheLoo | wait, i closed the tab | Jun 11 01:43 |
| DaemonXP | *helicopters | Jun 11 01:43 |
| InTheLoo | http://slashdot.org/~SockDisclosure/journal/214377 | Jun 11 01:43 |
| *InTheLoo is now known as TLinton | Jun 11 01:44 | |
| TLinton | changed my nick, sorry | Jun 11 01:44 |
| TLinton | i picked one of those accounts because i couldn't think of anything :) | Jun 11 01:44 |
| TLinton | i was here yesterday but it was quiet | Jun 11 01:44 |
| TLinton | i thought it was something about SUSE | Jun 11 01:45 |
| TLinton | i guess not | Jun 11 01:45 |
| TLinton | haha | Jun 11 01:45 |
| TLinton | i followed this link to the website: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/09/irc-log-08102008/#tOct%2008%2013:48:44 | Jun 11 01:46 |
| TLinton | didn't even know it existed | Jun 11 01:46 |
| TLinton | someone on a mailing list mentioned the twitter guy | Jun 11 01:46 |
| TLinton | i read that thing for about an hour | Jun 11 01:47 |
| TLinton | amazing | Jun 11 01:47 |
| TLinton | anyhoo | Jun 11 01:47 |
| TLinton | anyone using slackware or slax? | Jun 11 01:47 |
| TLinton | slax is cool | Jun 11 01:47 |
| TLinton | i'm just trying to figure out a way to save downloaded packages | Jun 11 01:47 |
| splosion_ | people say tonnes of shit about Roy, but in my limited experience he gets just as annoyed at the tin-foil hat brigade as the rest of us do | Jun 11 01:48 |
| ThistleWeb | I've never managed to get Slackware installed right | Jun 11 01:48 |
| ThistleWeb | slax seemed to work fine in USB but had little in the way of modules etc installed | Jun 11 01:48 |
| ThistleWeb | but then, I'm no Slackware person, so I guess with some time I could have fixed them | Jun 11 01:49 |
| TLinton | it's amazing, it worked right off boot with my laptop | Jun 11 01:52 |
| ThistleWeb | I can't get my head round the choice of KDE for a "lightweight" USB distro | Jun 11 01:52 |
| TLinton | video, audio, wireless, everything | Jun 11 01:52 |
| ThistleWeb | it's probs highly dependant on the hardware | Jun 11 01:52 |
| TLinton | yeah well | Jun 11 01:52 |
| TLinton | i'm happy | Jun 11 01:52 |
| TLinton | i guess it was luck | Jun 11 01:52 |
| ThistleWeb | that can happen with any distro though | Jun 11 01:53 |
| TLinton | it's an older thinkpad | Jun 11 01:55 |
| TLinton | t43 | Jun 11 01:55 |
| ThistleWeb | to me, the whole point of a portable USB distro is that it's to be used on whatever PC you're at, which means it needs to be light and versatile with hardware | Jun 11 01:55 |
| ThistleWeb | slax failed for me on the first PC I tried | Jun 11 01:55 |
| ThistleWeb | with wireless | Jun 11 01:55 |
| ThistleWeb | without the internet, finding a fix / driver is difficult | Jun 11 01:56 |
| TLinton | agreed | Jun 11 01:57 |
| TLinton | re:kde, also agreed | Jun 11 01:57 |
| TLinton | but slax has a thing where you can put together the modules you want | Jun 11 01:57 |
| TLinton | i'm not sure if their 'core' includes kde | Jun 11 01:58 |
| splosion_ | http://www.examiner.com/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m6d9-Project-Natal-Racist | Jun 11 01:58 |
| TLinton | i haven't looked | Jun 11 01:58 |
| ThistleWeb | the one I tried was kde | Jun 11 01:58 |
| ThistleWeb | didn't give me any choice | Jun 11 01:58 |
| TLinton | if it doesn't, i might put together something with fluxbox | Jun 11 01:58 |
| TLinton | not if you download the default, no | Jun 11 01:58 |
| ThistleWeb | I could do XFCE , openbox, flux etc but it was kde | Jun 11 01:58 |
| TLinton | there's no login screen with choices like gdm or anything like tht | Jun 11 01:58 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe I got the wrong image then | Jun 11 01:58 |
| TLinton | *that | Jun 11 01:59 |
| TLinton | it must be the default | Jun 11 01:59 |
| TLinton | it's what i'm running now | Jun 11 01:59 |
| TLinton | not that bad, really | Jun 11 01:59 |
| TLinton | it's not the FULL kde install anyway | Jun 11 01:59 |
| TLinton | and it's usable enough | Jun 11 01:59 |
| ThistleWeb | it's still surprisingly snappy on USB for kde | Jun 11 01:59 |
| TLinton | yeah, very much so | Jun 11 02:00 |
| ThistleWeb | the closest I've come to slackware is wolvix | Jun 11 02:00 |
| *ThistleWeb loves XFCE | Jun 11 02:00 | |
| TLinton | i used dsl once | Jun 11 02:00 |
| TLinton | it wasn't nearly as fast | Jun 11 02:00 |
| splosion_ | openbox ftw | Jun 11 02:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm really tempted to try slitax on the usb | Jun 11 02:01 |
| ThistleWeb | which is openbox I think | Jun 11 02:01 |
| TLinton | the thing about small distros | Jun 11 02:01 |
| splosion_ | Slitaz is the fastest of the lightweight distros I've tried. And much nicer to look at than DSL and Puppy, too | Jun 11 02:01 |
| TLinton | is that i'm not exactly the expert | Jun 11 02:01 |
| TLinton | so having some of the kde or gnome tools is nice | Jun 11 02:02 |
| ThistleWeb | slitaz impressed me on speed too | Jun 11 02:02 |
| ThistleWeb | Puppy is nice but a few things annoy me with it | Jun 11 02:02 |
| ThistleWeb | the package manager having to install one app at a time | Jun 11 02:02 |
| splosion_ | if you have 128mb of RAM, the whole desktop environment loads itself into the RAM. | Jun 11 02:03 |
| splosion_ | or arther the entire root filesystem | Jun 11 02:03 |
| splosion_ | rather | Jun 11 02:03 |
| ThistleWeb | DSL is strange, it's like they went too light for me, made too many compromises | Jun 11 02:03 |
| splosion_ | TLinton: this distro is only 30mb big btw http://www.slitaz.org/en/artwork/screenshots.html | Jun 11 02:04 |
| TLinton | doesn't DSL use some older window manager? | Jun 11 02:04 |
| TLinton | like openstep or something? | Jun 11 02:04 |
| TLinton | maybe i'm confusing it with something else | Jun 11 02:04 |
| ThistleWeb | DSL is now JWM I htink | Jun 11 02:04 |
| ThistleWeb | or IceWM | Jun 11 02:04 |
| ThistleWeb | its not an older WM it's just a very light one | Jun 11 02:05 |
| ThistleWeb | yep Slitaz does seem to work mirciles on what they get out of such a small package | Jun 11 02:05 |
| ThistleWeb | and it looks great too | Jun 11 02:05 |
| splosion_ | http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://tv-links.cc/ hrmm. I wonder who asked for google to make tv-links show up as malware | Jun 11 02:07 |
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| ThistleWeb | I used NOP Puppy on a USB for a while | Jun 11 02:10 |
| ThistleWeb | that was quite decent | Jun 11 02:10 |
| ThistleWeb | I prefer an XFCE environment when possible, even if it's a different distro from my home PC | Jun 11 02:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I can use others, where resources on the host are tight | Jun 11 02:11 |
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| TLinton | splosion: thanks | Jun 11 02:12 |
| ThistleWeb | but like anything else, each distros version of a WM or DE is different, they are not all equal | Jun 11 02:12 |
| TLinton | i'm not really worried about space though | Jun 11 02:12 |
| TLinton | or memory | Jun 11 02:12 |
| TLinton | it's an 8GB usb drive | Jun 11 02:12 |
| TLinton | and 2GB of ram | Jun 11 02:12 |
| TLinton | what i want is for packages to stay put :) | Jun 11 02:12 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jun 11 02:12 |
| TLinton | plenty of horsepower for any linux | Jun 11 02:13 |
| splosion_ | ah okay | Jun 11 02:13 |
| yuhong | Even Daniel Eran Dilger, which is pro-Apple, was frustrated at IDG. | Jun 11 02:13 |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233341&cid=18978623 | Jun 11 02:13 |
| ThistleWeb | my thinking is that a USB drive should be able to plug into whatever PC you're sitting at, which may be old, maybe be like 96mb ram or a P2 | Jun 11 02:13 |
| ThistleWeb | so the lighter the better | Jun 11 02:13 |
| TLinton | slax has a channel on freenode but there's no one there atm | Jun 11 02:13 |
| splosion_ | perhaps go for one of the lightweight ubuntu-builds? Fluxbuntu or Crunchbang are said to be rather lightweight | Jun 11 02:14 |
| yuhong | He should know that IDC is paid by MS to spread FUD. | Jun 11 02:14 |
| TLinton | <ThistleWeb>: agreed, but there's usb 1.1 and then 2.0 BIG difference | Jun 11 02:14 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah | Jun 11 02:14 |
| ThistleWeb | for HD installed distros, one day I will get Slackware installed | Jun 11 02:14 |
| TLinton | i used slack a long time ago | Jun 11 02:15 |
| TLinton | early 00s or so | Jun 11 02:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont have a second PC to have open at help pages, which left me guessing at a very complicated (by Mint standards) installer | Jun 11 02:15 |
| TLinton | or earlier, i think | Jun 11 02:15 |
| TLinton | it has changed a lot | Jun 11 02:15 |
| ThistleWeb | hence the dodgy install | Jun 11 02:15 |
| yuhong | Anyone listening to me? | Jun 11 02:16 |
| TLinton | especially on how to install stuff | Jun 11 02:16 |
| TLinton | yuhong: don't listen to roughlydrafted | Jun 11 02:16 |
| TLinton | it's a mac fanboy with a fetish that pretends to like linux | Jun 11 02:16 |
| splosion_ | yuhong: yes. thanks for the link | Jun 11 02:16 |
| ThistleWeb | Arch is another interesting one I'll get round to when I have a second PC to have open at instructions pages | Jun 11 02:17 |
| TLinton | that's what that blog has always looked like to me | Jun 11 02:17 |
| yuhong | Yes, he is pro-Apple. | Jun 11 02:17 |
| yuhong | I noticed that. | Jun 11 02:17 |
| TLinton | "pro" might be a slight understatement | Jun 11 02:17 |
| TLinton | i read an article there a few years ago | Jun 11 02:17 |
| TLinton | about how microsoft had pooched the vista dev process | Jun 11 02:17 |
| TLinton | fair enough | Jun 11 02:18 |
| TLinton | trouble is, he never did mention all the screw ups apple had before OS X | Jun 11 02:18 |
| TLinton | it was a looong road | Jun 11 02:18 |
| splosion_ | swiftfox. 436.969 mb. WWWWRRRRRY!? | Jun 11 02:18 |
| TLinton | so it's like the serial killer smeared in blood, berating me for throwing trash in the street | Jun 11 02:18 |
| TLinton | Thistle: what is Arch based off of? | Jun 11 02:19 |
| ThistleWeb | I ain't noticed the difference between swiftfox and firefox but that could be "mileage varies according to processor" | Jun 11 02:19 |
| ThistleWeb | TLinton: I dont think its based on anything | Jun 11 02:20 |
| ThistleWeb | its a rolling distro | Jun 11 02:20 |
| ThistleWeb | there's no 6mth new release | Jun 11 02:20 |
| TLinton | oh | Jun 11 02:20 |
| ThistleWeb | you build it to exactly what you want, leaving out all the bloat you dont need | Jun 11 02:20 |
| ThistleWeb | hence it's very fast | Jun 11 02:20 |
| TLinton | not many 'from slate' distros showing up lately | Jun 11 02:20 |
| TLinton | ugh, i meant "starting from scratch" | Jun 11 02:20 |
| TLinton | hard to put together | Jun 11 02:20 |
| ThistleWeb | apparently the Arch community are great at explaining things to get you going | Jun 11 02:21 |
| TLinton | that's why everyone loves debian so much | Jun 11 02:21 |
| ThistleWeb | theres supposedly a great installation guide too | Jun 11 02:21 |
| splosion_ | Firefox performs just as poorly. Swiftfox is faster when you first run it but both start leaking memory after a few hours | Jun 11 02:21 |
| ThistleWeb | but it's one of these things where you need patinece | Jun 11 02:21 |
| yuhong | But I just want to show that BN is not the only one that is frustrated with IDG/IDC. | Jun 11 02:21 |
| TLinton | there was a great install guide for slack back in the day too | Jun 11 02:21 |
| TLinton | you might want to schedule a day of work anyway :) | Jun 11 02:22 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, lol | Jun 11 02:22 |
| TLinton | especially of you have non-standard newer hardware | Jun 11 02:22 |
| ThistleWeb | Arch ain't a quickie install like many mainstream distros | Jun 11 02:22 |
| ThistleWeb | one day I'll try it | Jun 11 02:22 |
| ThistleWeb | when I have 2 PCs | Jun 11 02:22 |
| TLinton | older (> 1y) hardware works great with most distros | Jun 11 02:22 |
| TLinton | bleeding edge not so good | Jun 11 02:22 |
| ThistleWeb | one open at the Arch wiki while I install on the other | Jun 11 02:23 |
| DaemonXP | yes, you can't go wrong with more incompatible package managers, more incompatible forks, more distros with more versions of things that have managed to be loosely standardized.... | Jun 11 02:23 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 02:23 |
| TLinton | i remember doing battle with an ultra ata card under redhat 6.x | Jun 11 02:23 |
| TLinton | wasn't supported at all | Jun 11 02:23 |
| TLinton | had to open the case and connect the drives directly to the on-board IDE | Jun 11 02:23 |
| TLinton | windows didn't support it either | Jun 11 02:24 |
| TLinton | out of the box that is | Jun 11 02:24 |
| TLinton | but at least there were drivers for it | Jun 11 02:24 |
| DaemonXP | that's gause you had the Foobar q37r399p and Linux only supported every model Foobar BUT the q37r399p | Jun 11 02:24 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 02:24 |
| ThistleWeb | Arch strikes me as a Linux purists distro, along with Slackware | Jun 11 02:24 |
| DaemonXP | you complained loudly about the lack of Foobar q37r399p support in Linux | Jun 11 02:25 |
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| DaemonXP | but all the other Foobar users just laughed at you and told you to put your PC together from scratch and quit bitching | Jun 11 02:25 |
| DaemonXP | ;) | Jun 11 02:25 |
| DaemonXP | so you went out and bought a new Foobar device which was fully compliant ISO Foobar certified | Jun 11 02:26 |
| DaemonXP | and the next version of Linux broke it | Jun 11 02:26 |
| DaemonXP | you filed a bug report in the Bugzilla you see, but nobody cared because none of the developers have that model of Foobar | Jun 11 02:27 |
| DaemonXP | You have now spent $500 to get away from Windows, when a copy of Windows is about $90 | Jun 11 02:27 |
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| DaemonXP | infuriated and disgusted, you pull out your Vista DVD and go back in defeat | Jun 11 02:28 |
| TLinton | actually i found a page with information | Jun 11 02:28 |
| TLinton | about the ata card | Jun 11 02:29 |
| TLinton | it started with "if you were stupid enough to connect the hdd to the card..." | Jun 11 02:29 |
| TLinton | i stopped reading and just used the onboard ide :) | Jun 11 02:29 |
| TLinton | it was abit, i think | Jun 11 02:29 |
| TLinton | or at least it came with an abit mobooooooo | Jun 11 02:29 |
| TLinton | oops, sorry | Jun 11 02:29 |
| TLinton | this keyboard gets stuck sometimes | Jun 11 02:30 |
| TLinton | especially the arrow keys | Jun 11 02:30 |
| TLinton | i have high praise for ibm hardware | Jun 11 02:31 |
| DaemonXP | it seems like that's usually how it goes, I plug it into Vista "Windows is installing drivers", I plug it into Linux, it has no idea what the device is and out of tree drivers either don't exist or are reverse engineered source tarballs with no installation help | Jun 11 02:31 |
| TLinton | i'm willing to do the work sometimes | Jun 11 02:31 |
| TLinton | but not always | Jun 11 02:31 |
| TLinton | sometimes my time is more valuable that whatever i'm trying to do with the pc | Jun 11 02:32 |
| TLinton | otoh that seems to be a thing of the past more and more | Jun 11 02:32 |
| DaemonXP | Linux is OK for some of the simple devices with no demand on them but to read email, browse the web and sync an mp3 player | Jun 11 02:32 |
| DaemonXP | and that's why it has a niche on netbooks | Jun 11 02:32 |
| TLinton | still, it's amazing what they do with it nowadays | Jun 11 02:33 |
| DaemonXP | and no device maker that I've seen using Ubuntu Netbook Remix ships it out telling anyone to use Ogg Vorbis either | Jun 11 02:33 |
| TLinton | it runs off usb drives on crappy hardware | Jun 11 02:33 |
| TLinton | and supercomputers | Jun 11 02:33 |
| TLinton | but sometimes.... | Jun 11 02:33 |
| TLinton | i get tempted to use os x and the hell with it | Jun 11 02:34 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, I think the reason I used it and liked it for several years was because my last PC was pretty basic | Jun 11 02:34 |
| TLinton | too much money for the hardware though | Jun 11 02:34 |
| DaemonXP | and didn't have any hardware that really pushed it | Jun 11 02:34 |
| yuhong | Unfortunately, Linux does not have automatic driver installation support the way Windows does. | Jun 11 02:34 |
| TLinton | well back in 97 EVERYTHING pushed it | Jun 11 02:34 |
| TLinton | it was hard to get it running on anything | Jun 11 02:34 |
| DaemonXP | Ubuntu is probably the best about automatic drivers | Jun 11 02:35 |
| TLinton | slack had a page back then | Jun 11 02:35 |
| DaemonXP | but even they are spotty because Linux drivers just don't exist for everything | Jun 11 02:35 |
| TLinton | with specific machines you were advised to try | Jun 11 02:35 |
| TLinton | i remember the zeos panthera 486 towers | Jun 11 02:35 |
| TLinton | haha | Jun 11 02:35 |
| TLinton | not many of you remember zeos, right? | Jun 11 02:36 |
| DaemonXP | If there's a device, it will have a Windows driver | Jun 11 02:36 |
| DaemonXP | it may have a Mac driver | Jun 11 02:36 |
| TLinton | they made cool boxes back in the day | Jun 11 02:36 |
| DaemonXP | and you might get it to work on Linux if it follows some generic protocol or something | Jun 11 02:36 |
| DaemonXP | and that's unofficial | Jun 11 02:36 |
| DaemonXP | very few device makers tell you their device works on Linux | Jun 11 02:36 |
| DaemonXP | because it might now, and it might not tomorrow | Jun 11 02:36 |
| DaemonXP | or it may depend on whatever your distribution has done | Jun 11 02:37 |
| TLinton | i have a samsung printer i bought a few years ago | Jun 11 02:37 |
| TLinton | i was surprised it came with linux drivers and instructions | Jun 11 02:38 |
| DaemonXP | printers are the devil | Jun 11 02:38 |
| TLinton | printers work fine under windows, especially networked ones | Jun 11 02:38 |
| TLinton | and usb | Jun 11 02:38 |
| TLinton | but i still remember trying to fiddle with irqs and whatnot on windows to get lpt1 to work | Jun 11 02:38 |
| TLinton | on some machines | Jun 11 02:39 |
| yuhong | On O'Reilly, I know how it couldn't criticise Microsoft due to it's, but it doesn't criticise Linux either. | Jun 11 02:39 |
| DaemonXP | well, people like to say Vista broke their printer, then you ask them what kind of printer, and it turns out it came with their Windows 98 system or something | Jun 11 02:39 |
| yuhong | So you can say that it is neutral. | Jun 11 02:39 |
| TLinton | but don't printers talk to the OS via PostScript or something? | Jun 11 02:39 |
| yuhong | On O'Reilly, I know how it couldn't criticise Microsoft due to it's sponsorship, but it doesn't criticise Linux either. | Jun 11 02:39 |
| yuhong | So you can say that it is neutral. | Jun 11 02:39 |
| DaemonXP | some do | Jun 11 02:40 |
| TLinton | or that HP language everyone supports? | Jun 11 02:40 |
| DaemonXP | but not all printers are printers | Jun 11 02:40 |
| TLinton | haha, right | Jun 11 02:40 |
| DaemonXP | some of them, scan, fax, and copy too | Jun 11 02:40 |
| TLinton | multi deals | Jun 11 02:40 |
| DaemonXP | so a lot of those actually do work partially on Linux | Jun 11 02:40 |
| TLinton | i've seen them at costco | Jun 11 02:40 |
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| DaemonXP | even if the whole thing doesn't | Jun 11 02:40 |
| TLinton | i can see how they would require special drivers | Jun 11 02:40 |
| DaemonXP | so you can print in Linux, but you have to boot to Windows to scan | Jun 11 02:40 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 02:40 |
| TLinton | lol | Jun 11 02:40 |
| TLinton | what about wine? | Jun 11 02:41 |
| DaemonXP | ope | Jun 11 02:41 |
| DaemonXP | *nope | Jun 11 02:41 |
| TLinton | i've never used wine, so i don't know | Jun 11 02:41 |
| DaemonXP | the scanner drivers are Windows-only | Jun 11 02:41 |
| DaemonXP | HP does this on some models | Jun 11 02:41 |
| DaemonXP | you need to look at their HPLIP site | Jun 11 02:41 |
| DaemonXP | if it says "partial Linux support" don't buy the thing | Jun 11 02:41 |
| DaemonXP | you will regret it | Jun 11 02:41 |
| DaemonXP | partial could also mean that the printer won't work in Linux | Jun 11 02:42 |
| DaemonXP | but the scanner will | Jun 11 02:42 |
| TLinton | but is it something that's very windows-specific or something that wine just doesn't support? | Jun 11 02:42 |
| DaemonXP | Wine can't do Windows drivers | Jun 11 02:42 |
| DaemonXP | only programs | Jun 11 02:42 |
| TLinton | oh | Jun 11 02:42 |
| TLinton | didn't know that | Jun 11 02:42 |
| DaemonXP | ReactOS will be compatible with Windows drivers | Jun 11 02:42 |
| TLinton | i just assumed everything worked | Jun 11 02:43 |
| DaemonXP | if it is ever developed that far | Jun 11 02:43 |
| DaemonXP | no | Jun 11 02:43 |
| DaemonXP | lots of Windows software works in Wine, to varying degrees of success | Jun 11 02:43 |
| DaemonXP | some won't at all | Jun 11 02:43 |
| TLinton | interesting | Jun 11 02:43 |
| DaemonXP | some works flawlessly | Jun 11 02:43 |
| TLinton | from what i've heard about it i just assumed it was a full replacement for windows | Jun 11 02:44 |
| DaemonXP | a cono, it isn't | Jun 11 02:44 |
| TLinton | never had a need for it, so i never really tried it | Jun 11 02:44 |
| DaemonXP | *no | Jun 11 02:44 |
| DaemonXP | Wine is far from totally compatible with Windows | Jun 11 02:44 |
| TLinton | i mean if i need windows i'll just use windows :) | Jun 11 02:44 |
| DaemonXP | and some things can't ever be compatible with Wine | Jun 11 02:45 |
| DaemonXP | for example, if they reverse engineer Windows libraries that let SecuROM run, that is illegal | Jun 11 02:45 |
| DaemonXP | so no games that use SecuROM will work in Wine | Jun 11 02:45 |
| TLinton | i thought reverse engineering was legal | Jun 11 02:45 |
| DaemonXP | unless you can find a crack or install them in Windows and copy them over | Jun 11 02:45 |
| TLinton | isnt' that the whole premise of wine? | Jun 11 02:45 |
| DaemonXP | Wine is a reverse engineering job, but they do it without any access to Windows source | Jun 11 02:46 |
| DaemonXP | and without decompiling anything | Jun 11 02:46 |
| DaemonXP | so basically they have to sit back and watch how a program interacts with real Windows | Jun 11 02:46 |
| DaemonXP | then try to come up with a library that does the same thing | Jun 11 02:46 |
| TLinton | so that's reverse engineering | Jun 11 02:46 |
| TLinton | under law, that's perfectly legal | Jun 11 02:46 |
| DaemonXP | yes, but not illegally | Jun 11 02:46 |
| TLinton | is it not? | Jun 11 02:46 |
| TLinton | ok... :) | Jun 11 02:47 |
| DaemonXP | it would be illegal if any of them had seen Windows source code | Jun 11 02:47 |
| DaemonXP | or used a disassembler on Windows components | Jun 11 02:47 |
| TLinton | i mean they might sue you, but it wouldn't hold | Jun 11 02:47 |
| TLinton | oh, and the widows source was leaked a few years back | Jun 11 02:47 |
| DaemonXP | Microsoft would have to prove they disassembled something | Jun 11 02:47 |
| DaemonXP | or stole Windows source code | Jun 11 02:47 |
| TLinton | i hope they didn't look at it :) | Jun 11 02:47 |
| DaemonXP | I doubt they hve | Jun 11 02:48 |
| DaemonXP | that would be stupid and obvious | Jun 11 02:48 |
| DaemonXP | and they'd open themselves up to all kinds of problems | Jun 11 02:48 |
| TLinton | i guess | Jun 11 02:49 |
| DaemonXP | Cedega uses Wine code, but they also license copy protection compatibility modules | Jun 11 02:49 |
| DaemonXP | so they can run games that Wine cant | Jun 11 02:49 |
| TLinton | ah, that's the game thing right? | Jun 11 02:49 |
| TLinton | *games | Jun 11 02:49 |
| DaemonXP | yes | Jun 11 02:49 |
| TLinton | and there's another one, for photoshop? | Jun 11 02:49 |
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| DaemonXP | fairly expensive, but usually works better than Wine, for gaming anyway | Jun 11 02:49 |
| TLinton | or office? | Jun 11 02:49 |
| DaemonXP | yeah | Jun 11 02:49 |
| DaemonXP | that's Crossover | Jun 11 02:49 |
| TLinton | yes, crossover office | Jun 11 02:50 |
| DaemonXP | they actually contribute o and sponsor Wine | Jun 11 02:50 |
| TLinton | i've heard about it | Jun 11 02:50 |
| DaemonXP | so if you have to buy something, try to use Crossover if you can | Jun 11 02:50 |
| TLinton | so it's based on Wine then? | Jun 11 02:50 |
| TLinton | both of them? | Jun 11 02:50 |
| DaemonXP | no, Cedega only gives source code back where the license says they have to | Jun 11 02:50 |
| DaemonXP | they forked most of Wine back in 2003 | Jun 11 02:50 |
| TLinton | oh | Jun 11 02:50 |
| DaemonXP | and developed a lot of it on their own | Jun 11 02:51 |
| TLinton | so much for open source then | Jun 11 02:51 |
| TLinton | what's the wine license? | Jun 11 02:51 |
| DaemonXP | so some of it is GPL, some is LGPL, some of it is MIT License | Jun 11 02:51 |
| DaemonXP | Wine is GPL and LGPL | Jun 11 02:51 |
| TLinton | ic | Jun 11 02:51 |
| DaemonXP | though quite a bit of the patches o make Wine DirectX work better were from Cedega | Jun 11 02:51 |
| DaemonXP | they had tried to implement DirectPlay and gave up, so they gave all their code for that to Wine | Jun 11 02:52 |
| TLinton | that must be a bitch to code | Jun 11 02:52 |
| TLinton | trying to simulate windows | Jun 11 02:52 |
| TLinton | i'll give them high marks for that at least | Jun 11 02:52 |
| DaemonXP | Wine has better DirectX but copy protection usually crashes game setups | Jun 11 02:53 |
| DaemonXP | Cedega handles all the tweaking you'd normally have to do in Wine though | Jun 11 02:53 |
| DaemonXP | and copy protection works | Jun 11 02:53 |
| DaemonXP | so the game will install | Jun 11 02:53 |
| DaemonXP | I'm not a huge fan of copy protection, but it's their game and your money | Jun 11 02:54 |
| DaemonXP | if you disagree with what they've done that much, do't buy it | Jun 11 02:54 |
| TLinton | i wonder how many customers the game companies lose b/c of protection | Jun 11 02:54 |
| TLinton | i have a ps3, but i don't use it much | Jun 11 02:54 |
| DaemonXP | quite a few | Jun 11 02:54 |
| TLinton | not big into games | Jun 11 02:54 |
| DaemonXP | It's definitely a deciding factor for me in a lot of cases | Jun 11 02:54 |
| DaemonXP | if I have to do "activations" or if it says "you can only install this 3 times" | Jun 11 02:55 |
| DaemonXP | I won't buy it | Jun 11 02:55 |
| DaemonXP | ever | Jun 11 02:55 |
| DaemonXP | period | Jun 11 02:55 |
| ThistleWeb | either they dont lose enough to make a difference, or the people they do lose because of it dont tell them why | Jun 11 02:55 |
| TLinton | yeah | Jun 11 02:55 |
| TLinton | if more people would do that they'd stop | Jun 11 02:55 |
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| TLinton | but i guess the kiddies want their games to just work | Jun 11 02:55 |
| TLinton | and there's a lot of kiddies | Jun 11 02:55 |
| DaemonXP | it's easier to pirate than deal with the copy protection in some cases | Jun 11 02:56 |
| DaemonXP | which is why they brought the problem totally on themselves | Jun 11 02:56 |
| DaemonXP | schestowitz: Microsoft ad in Windows Live Messenger "Download Internet Explorer 8 and we'll donate 8 meals to the hungry" | Jun 11 02:59 |
| DaemonXP | I am serious | Jun 11 02:59 |
| TLinton | what's wrong with that? | Jun 11 03:03 |
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| ThistleWeb | hotmail also insert M$ advert sigs too about "download IE8 today" etc | Jun 11 03:03 |
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| DaemonXP | nothing wrong with it I guess | Jun 11 03:04 |
| DaemonXP | just kind of smells of marketing BS | Jun 11 03:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I only noticed that because of an Amazon vendor used hotmail | Jun 11 03:04 |
| DaemonXP | nothing stops them from buying meals for the homeless and not making a big deal of it | Jun 11 03:04 |
| DaemonXP | Edelman is behind this no doubt | Jun 11 03:05 |
| DaemonXP | sounds exactly like the ad campaign they set up for Walmart | Jun 11 03:05 |
| DaemonXP | the "Doing Good Works" thing | Jun 11 03:05 |
| TLinton | everything is marketing bs | Jun 11 03:05 |
| TLinton | but if they're helping someone | Jun 11 03:06 |
| TLinton | i guess it's not that bad | Jun 11 03:06 |
| TLinton | my wife used to collect some yoghurt caps or something | Jun 11 03:07 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, just go along to your local Microsoft sponsored college to collect your free meal, attend a seminar on why Windows is the answer to all your issues | Jun 11 03:07 |
| TLinton | for cancer research | Jun 11 03:07 |
| TLinton | of course she bought the yoghurt | Jun 11 03:07 |
| TLinton | rather than another brand | Jun 11 03:07 |
| TLinton | but she liked it | Jun 11 03:07 |
| TLinton | (i hope) | Jun 11 03:07 |
| TLinton | if someone is going to use ie8 anyway, might as well have ms help someone else in turn | Jun 11 03:08 |
| ThistleWeb | true | Jun 11 03:08 |
| TLinton | ie8 is not that bad. at least it's better than ie7 | Jun 11 03:09 |
| TLinton | not the bells and whistles of firefox or konk i guess, but not that bad | Jun 11 03:09 |
| TLinton | definitely faster | Jun 11 03:09 |
| TLinton | *konq | Jun 11 03:10 |
| ThistleWeb | if people turn up to collect their free meals do M$ assume they are undercover Linux peeps and turn them away? | Jun 11 03:10 |
| ThistleWeb | in beards* | Jun 11 03:10 |
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| ThistleWeb | damn, lost concentration listening to Linux Outlaws while typing | Jun 11 03:11 |
| TLinton | hmm | Jun 11 03:12 |
| ThistleWeb | that should have read > if people in beards turn up to collect their free meals do M$ assume they are undercover Linux peeps and turn them away? | Jun 11 03:12 |
| TLinton | i just noticed the kde keyboard tool does not have an entry for taiwan | Jun 11 03:12 |
| TLinton | weird | Jun 11 03:12 |
| TLinton | well maybe it's china | Jun 11 03:12 |
| TLinton | well the guys on ##slackware are as nice as ever | Jun 11 03:14 |
| TLinton | but wouldn't take a slax question | Jun 11 03:14 |
| TLinton | crap | Jun 11 03:14 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jun 11 03:14 |
| ThistleWeb | snobs | Jun 11 03:14 |
| TLinton | i've never found myself in a situation like this one | Jun 11 03:14 |
| TLinton | i can't turn off the laptop | Jun 11 03:14 |
| DaemonXP | http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=view&message.id=11404&jump=true | Jun 11 03:14 |
| TLinton | or i'll lose all my packages | Jun 11 03:14 |
| DaemonXP | the last post = me | Jun 11 03:14 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 03:14 |
| TLinton | ghostbusters quotes always work :) | Jun 11 03:15 |
| DaemonXP | there's talk of Ghostbusters III | Jun 11 03:19 |
| DaemonXP | I hope Bill Murray comes back for it | Jun 11 03:20 |
| DaemonXP | Venkman FTW! | Jun 11 03:20 |
| DaemonXP | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgoawsT5DD0 | Jun 11 03:22 |
| DaemonXP | Ghostbusters video game | Jun 11 03:22 |
| DaemonXP | I may buy it | Jun 11 03:24 |
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| DaemonXP | hmm, Dan Akroyd said DVD format is dead | Jun 11 03:29 |
| DaemonXP | that must be why DVD is still selling like hotcakes | Jun 11 03:29 |
| DaemonXP | and Sony is trying to bribe customers to Blu Ray with "incentives" | Jun 11 03:29 |
| DaemonXP | I'm pretty happy with DVDs, I saw some Blu Ray demo displays and it doesn't look that much better | Jun 11 03:30 |
| DaemonXP | certainly nothing like VHS to DVD | Jun 11 03:30 |
| DaemonXP | and the Blu Ray players are still too big, too expensive, and too buggy | Jun 11 03:31 |
| DaemonXP | that doesn't help | Jun 11 03:31 |
| ThistleWeb | HD really needs TVs capable of doing them justice | Jun 11 03:31 |
| DaemonXP | my TV would be capable but it has no HDMI port | Jun 11 03:31 |
| DaemonXP | just Component and DVI | Jun 11 03:32 |
| DaemonXP | so it would downscale them to 576p | Jun 11 03:32 |
| DaemonXP | which a DVD is 480p | Jun 11 03:32 |
| DaemonXP | and a Blu Ray with the HDMI copy protection will output to 720p | Jun 11 03:32 |
| DaemonXP | so due to the software limitation imposed on an analog connection, you get something that's halfway between DVD and Blu Ray | Jun 11 03:33 |
| DaemonXP | so you have to throw your TV set out and buy a new one because of DRM | Jun 11 03:33 |
| DaemonXP | so Sony is basically promoting the destruction of the environment | Jun 11 03:33 |
| DaemonXP | so I'm not going to buy a player until they declare that they NEVER intend to start using the constraint token DRM | Jun 11 03:35 |
| DaemonXP | then there's the AACS DRM problem | Jun 11 03:35 |
| DaemonXP | where it takes so much CPU time to decrypt the disk that your computer becomes unresponsive and your laptop battery dies twice as fast | Jun 11 03:36 |
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| DaemonXP | so Blu Ray just has much more going against it with the pricing and the unacceptable DRM | Jun 11 03:36 |
| ThistleWeb | unskippable trailers at the start apparently | Jun 11 03:36 |
| DaemonXP | like DVD tried to do | Jun 11 03:37 |
| DaemonXP | but VLC lets you skip that shit | Jun 11 03:37 |
| DaemonXP | and AnyDVD lets you remove them from the DVD image totally | Jun 11 03:37 |
| DaemonXP | along with the copy protection and region coding | Jun 11 03:38 |
| DaemonXP | DVD is so thoroughly cracked that they may as well not bother putting any DRM on them | Jun 11 03:38 |
| DaemonXP | that's why they want to push Blu Ray | Jun 11 03:38 |
| *TLinton Does a little dance | Jun 11 03:49 | |
| TLinton | I figured it out: http://www.slax.org/forum.php?action=view&parentID=39031 | Jun 11 03:49 |
| TLinton | turns out i have to save the packages to the /live mount | Jun 11 03:50 |
| TLinton | which is the actual USB fs | Jun 11 03:50 |
| TLinton | interesting | Jun 11 03:50 |
| TLinton | hmmm | Jun 11 03:52 |
| TLinton | apparently slax registers the silk:// protocol with kde | Jun 11 03:53 |
| ThistleWeb | cool | Jun 11 03:53 |
| TLinton | which enables it to "activate" a package by simply clicking on a link | Jun 11 03:53 |
| TLinton | yeah but | Jun 11 03:53 |
| TLinton | there's no intermediate checking of the package's signature | Jun 11 03:53 |
| TLinton | or even a checksum | Jun 11 03:53 |
| TLinton | it just sort of installs it | Jun 11 03:54 |
| TLinton | kinda sloppy | Jun 11 03:54 |
| TLinton | i mean, security wise | Jun 11 03:54 |
| TLinton | very convenient tho | Jun 11 03:54 |
| ThistleWeb | I didn't spend much time in Slax, it was also over a year ago so it's probs got better since I tried it | Jun 11 03:55 |
| TLinton | well i need to figure out a bit more how this works | Jun 11 03:55 |
| ThistleWeb | whats the default envoronment in slax? | Jun 11 03:55 |
| TLinton | kde | Jun 11 03:55 |
| ThistleWeb | thought so | Jun 11 03:56 |
| TLinton | 3.5.10 | Jun 11 03:56 |
| TLinton | the package activation seems to be integrated into konqueror somehow | Jun 11 03:56 |
| TLinton | a little bubble comes out of the system menu of the konq window | Jun 11 03:56 |
| TLinton | telling you the install is in progress | Jun 11 03:56 |
| ThistleWeb | konquerer is nice | Jun 11 03:57 |
| ThistleWeb | as a file manager | Jun 11 03:57 |
| TLinton | yeah | Jun 11 03:57 |
| TLinton | depending on how this is implemented though | Jun 11 03:58 |
| TLinton | it's nice as a drive-by download tool :) | Jun 11 03:58 |
| TLinton | and of course I'm running as root by default | Jun 11 03:58 |
| TLinton | i wonder if this is the same when it's installed to the hdd | Jun 11 03:58 |
| TLinton | i hope not | Jun 11 03:58 |
| ThistleWeb | oooh, Slax has gotten a lot more mature since I last used it | Jun 11 03:58 |
| ThistleWeb | methinks it's time for a fresh look | Jun 11 03:59 |
| TLinton | yeah, it's nice | Jun 11 03:59 |
| TLinton | for example, on this page: http://www.slax.org/modules.php?category=artwork | Jun 11 03:59 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm kinda off the whole KDE thing though, I've been GTK for ages now | Jun 11 03:59 |
| TLinton | clicking on "activate" will actually install the package | Jun 11 03:59 |
| ThistleWeb | that aside, when I last used slax there wasnt that many packages on the site for it | Jun 11 03:59 |
| TLinton | on the virtual FS image | Jun 11 03:59 |
| neighborlee | it MIGHT be tempting, if it had a 64bit version,,but nadda | Jun 11 03:59 |
| ThistleWeb | it was kinda sparse | Jun 11 03:59 |
| TLinton | no other action required | Jun 11 04:00 |
| TLinton | it will even add whatever you installed to the kde menu | Jun 11 04:00 |
| TLinton | if it's supposed to go there | Jun 11 04:00 |
| ThistleWeb | so did you use the standard iso and add stuff? I notice they have a build option to build your own | Jun 11 04:01 |
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| ThistleWeb | I'm thinking a USB distro wont need some desktop stuff | Jun 11 04:02 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, I'm sooooooo not used to QT packages | Jun 11 04:03 |
| ThistleWeb | lots of unfamilar names | Jun 11 04:03 |
| DaemonXP | drive by downloads? | Jun 11 04:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I use SMPlayer all the time for videos | Jun 11 04:03 |
| DaemonXP | I thought IE 6 on XP still had the monopoly on those | Jun 11 04:03 |
| DaemonXP | ;) | Jun 11 04:04 |
| ThistleWeb | VLC is QT too | Jun 11 04:04 |
| TLinton | on this one, yes. it's the standard 190mb tar image for usb | Jun 11 04:04 |
| dsmith_ | i use media player | Jun 11 04:04 |
| dsmith_ | :P | Jun 11 04:04 |
| TLinton | no, seriously | Jun 11 04:04 |
| TLinton | you click on the link and it installs whatever | Jun 11 04:04 |
| TLinton | nmap, emacs, etc | Jun 11 04:04 |
| dsmith_ | vlc rox | Jun 11 04:04 |
| TLinton | of course it's not permanent i guess | Jun 11 04:04 |
| ThistleWeb | VLC is my backup player, when SMPLayer wont recognise it | Jun 11 04:05 |
| DaemonXP | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6645895.stm | Jun 11 04:05 |
| DaemonXP | One in 10 web pages scrutinised by search giant Google contained malicious code that could infect a user's PC. | Jun 11 04:05 |
| DaemonXP | The vast majority exploit vulnerabilities in Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser to install themselves. | Jun 11 04:06 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 04:06 |
| TLinton | yes but | Jun 11 04:06 |
| DaemonXP | It found that the code was often contained in those parts of the website not designed or controlled by the website owner, such as banner adverts and widgets. | Jun 11 04:06 |
| ThistleWeb | they key when trying to minimise size is to double and treble up on functions | Jun 11 04:07 |
| TLinton | do you browse around unpatched | Jun 11 04:07 |
| DaemonXP | I always block ads | Jun 11 04:07 |
| DaemonXP | no matter what I use | Jun 11 04:07 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 04:07 |
| TLinton | and really, most people use the same 10 websites anyway | Jun 11 04:07 |
| ThistleWeb | try to pick one app which covers a few functions, instead of separate apps for each function | Jun 11 04:07 |
| DaemonXP | even sites like Yahoo have distributed spyware through ads on their site by mistake | Jun 11 04:07 |
| TLinton | if more people would just use firefox things would be much better | Jun 11 04:08 |
| TLinton | and not run as admins on their windows boxes | Jun 11 04:08 |
| DaemonXP | not really | Jun 11 04:09 |
| TLinton | that's the first thing that kills you | Jun 11 04:09 |
| DaemonXP | Firefox has as many problems as IE | Jun 11 04:09 |
| TLinton | perhaps, but it's not as targeted | Jun 11 04:09 |
| TLinton | and it has more features | Jun 11 04:09 |
| TLinton | adblock for one | Jun 11 04:09 |
| DaemonXP | so? | Jun 11 04:09 |
| TLinton | that's worth the price of admission and then some | Jun 11 04:09 |
| DaemonXP | Opera can block adds without me having to install anything else | Jun 11 04:09 |
| DaemonXP | *ads | Jun 11 04:09 |
| TLinton | common sense | Jun 11 04:10 |
| TLinton | simple | Jun 11 04:10 |
| TLinton | don't install shit | Jun 11 04:10 |
| TLinton | don't download shit | Jun 11 04:10 |
| TLinton | don't run it | Jun 11 04:10 |
| TLinton | of you don't trust it | Jun 11 04:10 |
| TLinton | *if | Jun 11 04:10 |
| TLinton | don't click "OK" on that dialog telling you to install the really useful super search bar | Jun 11 04:10 |
| TLinton | 90% of all malware problems gone right there | Jun 11 04:11 |
| TLinton | the other 10% are just letting windows update run | Jun 11 04:11 |
| TLinton | and keep your machine patched | Jun 11 04:11 |
| TLinton | how difficult is that | Jun 11 04:11 |
| TLinton | or use slax... | Jun 11 04:12 |
| TLinton | which wipes your changes on each boot :) | Jun 11 04:12 |
| DaemonXP | I like Opera 10 a lot | Jun 11 04:13 |
| DaemonXP | they've really smoothed it over | Jun 11 04:13 |
| dsmith_ | TLinton: are you ok? | Jun 11 04:13 |
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| dsmith_ | Firefox rox btw | Jun 11 04:13 |
| freeforall | Hello everyone | Jun 11 04:14 |
| dsmith_ | hello | Jun 11 04:14 |
| freeforall | how is everyone? | Jun 11 04:14 |
| DaemonXP | Opera 10 has Firefox beat | Jun 11 04:16 |
| DaemonXP | hands down | Jun 11 04:16 |
| DaemonXP | right now I'm using it for IRC | Jun 11 04:16 |
| DaemonXP | but it's also my email and my browser | Jun 11 04:16 |
| DaemonXP | it has a bit torrent client, but uTorrent is better | Jun 11 04:17 |
| TLinton | dsmith: why? | Jun 11 04:20 |
| TLinton | ferseh | Jun 11 04:22 |
| TLinton | there's no dos2unix on here | Jun 11 04:22 |
| TLinton | how am i supposed to convert a file | Jun 11 04:22 |
| TLinton | gah | Jun 11 04:22 |
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| TLinton | oh cool: http://www.dos2unix.org/ | Jun 11 04:24 |
| TLinton | guess i won't be running my tax returns through there | Jun 11 04:24 |
| TLinton | but for a config file it's ok | Jun 11 04:24 |
| TLinton | holy crap: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/10/california.spector.mug.shot/index.html | Jun 11 04:37 |
| neighborlee | makes you wonder what pushes someone over the edge into murder.. various causes , sad ending ;0- | Jun 11 04:41 |
| neighborlee | like abortion doctor , etc. | Jun 11 04:42 |
| neighborlee | well that one is clear..hate played a rather large role in that one o_0..this one I dont know enough about case to comment | Jun 11 04:42 |
| TLinton | i know a little about it, but it's amazing how people without wigs or makeup look | Jun 11 04:43 |
| TLinton | that's hollywood for you, i guess | Jun 11 04:43 |
| neighborlee | ahhh ic | Jun 11 04:43 |
| neighborlee | ' I think I killed somebody' good grief ;0 | Jun 11 04:44 |
| TLinton | yeah | Jun 11 04:44 |
| TLinton | he looks his age | Jun 11 04:44 |
| neighborlee | and then some | Jun 11 04:44 |
| TLinton | haha, true | Jun 11 04:44 |
| DaemonXP | he was in Amazon Women on the Moon? | Jun 11 04:45 |
| DaemonXP | I LOVED that movie | Jun 11 04:45 |
| DaemonXP | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I5dVBezF9k | Jun 11 04:45 |
| DaemonXP | BEST SCENE EVER | Jun 11 04:45 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 04:45 |
| neighborlee | she was ^ | Jun 11 04:45 |
| neighborlee | woman who died | Jun 11 04:45 |
| neighborlee | clarkson | Jun 11 04:46 |
| neighborlee | EEK..if I was thinking of using mandriva, I think that might have just died..2009.1 <latest one I think>,,has updated Openoffice and is based on go-oo o_0 | Jun 11 04:46 |
| neighborlee | they just keep going deeper into mono land. | Jun 11 04:47 |
| neighborlee | with fedora going other way who knows what others willl do though ;0- | Jun 11 04:47 |
| DaemonXP | neighborlee | Jun 11 04:48 |
| DaemonXP | so does Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora | Jun 11 04:48 |
| neighborlee | no | Jun 11 04:48 |
| neighborlee | if so thats totally news to me | Jun 11 04:48 |
| DaemonXP | they just call them OpenOffice | Jun 11 04:48 |
| neighborlee | are you sure they all use go-oo ?? | Jun 11 04:48 |
| DaemonXP | they use Go-OO source though | Jun 11 04:48 |
| DaemonXP | yes | Jun 11 04:48 |
| neighborlee | well ,, if so fine I had no idea | Jun 11 04:48 |
| neighborlee | fedora no longer does :) | Jun 11 04:49 |
| neighborlee | well | Jun 11 04:49 |
| neighborlee | at least in fedora12 ;0- | Jun 11 04:49 |
| DaemonXP | I don't see why you care | Jun 11 04:49 |
| DaemonXP | Go-OO is a considerable improvement | Jun 11 04:49 |
| neighborlee | it uses mono < | Jun 11 04:49 |
| neighborlee | thats why, I care. | Jun 11 04:49 |
| DaemonXP | it does not | Jun 11 04:49 |
| neighborlee | yes, it does. | Jun 11 04:49 |
| DaemonXP | no | Jun 11 04:49 |
| neighborlee | its right there on their page | Jun 11 04:49 |
| DaemonXP | it doesn't | Jun 11 04:49 |
| neighborlee | fine ill show you | Jun 11 04:50 |
| DaemonXP | you can write plugins for it in Mono | Jun 11 04:50 |
| DaemonXP | but that's true about normal OpenOffice | Jun 11 04:50 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 04:50 |
| ThistleWeb | neighborlee: remember the XP in the name may give a hint as to the OS in use | Jun 11 04:50 |
| *DaemonXP is actually on Vista right now | Jun 11 04:50 | |
| *neighborlee is too | Jun 11 04:51 | |
| neighborlee | 'atm' is key..fedora is on other partition(s) | Jun 11 04:51 |
| DaemonXP | Fedora and Mandriva are currently the best in my opinion | Jun 11 04:51 |
| neighborlee | Mono integration | Jun 11 04:51 |
| neighborlee | Go-oo allows UNO automation with Mono, permitting automation from many languages such as C#, Boo, and more! (instructions; source) << | Jun 11 04:51 |
| DaemonXP | but that changes frequently | Jun 11 04:51 |
| DaemonXP | since all of the major ones release often | Jun 11 04:51 |
| neighborlee | on initial read..it sure as heck SOUNDS like mono is there..'mono integration' | Jun 11 04:52 |
| ThistleWeb | I dual boot with XP too to be fair, I just try not to use XP unless I have to, and then only for as long as I have to | Jun 11 04:52 |
| DaemonXP | neighborlee: You can remove Mono totally | Jun 11 04:52 |
| DaemonXP | has no effect on Go-OO | Jun 11 04:52 |
| neighborlee | remove it from what ? | Jun 11 04:52 |
| DaemonXP | your distribution | Jun 11 04:52 |
| DaemonXP | I mean the runtime and all | Jun 11 04:52 |
| neighborlee | I guess you dont know who I am :) | Jun 11 04:52 |
| neighborlee | else,, you would not be bothering with this..ahem..line of discussion. | Jun 11 04:53 |
| DaemonXP | Richard StallGore? | Jun 11 04:53 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 04:53 |
| mtnd3w | Nice new article on Mono: "Disinformation Disinfected, pt. 3: Banshee in Ubuntu" http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/disinformation-disinfected-pt-3-banshee-in-ubuntu/ | Jun 11 04:53 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, that is NO big deal | Jun 11 04:54 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, ..im sure..many many of us do very similar things.. | Jun 11 04:54 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jun 11 04:54 |
| neighborlee | like we have much CHOICE ;)) | Jun 11 04:54 |
| ThistleWeb | I keep doing things like right clicking on the desktop expecting my menu to appear and it wont | Jun 11 04:55 |
| mtnd3w | He makes some good points on some of the FUD most mono trolls spread. | Jun 11 04:55 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, LOL | Jun 11 04:55 |
| neighborlee | mtnd3w, good for him..such info needs to be spread far and wide. | Jun 11 04:56 |
| neighborlee | reminds me to bookmark such things for my linux page..so noted thank you mtnd3w | Jun 11 04:57 |
| mtnd3w | neighborlee: np | Jun 11 04:57 |
| DaemonXP | Go-OO is my choice on Windows | Jun 11 04:57 |
| DaemonXP | mainly cause it's faster than OOo and doesn't force me to install 100 megs of Java | Jun 11 04:57 |
| neighborlee | well you know, we all have free will..rejoice in yours I guess ;) | Jun 11 04:57 |
| DaemonXP | Reiser4 | Jun 11 04:58 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 04:58 |
| DaemonXP | seriously, I'd use Ext4 were it not for the poor performance | Jun 11 04:59 |
| DaemonXP | (after the Linux 2.6.30 patches) | Jun 11 04:59 |
| DaemonXP | or the data loss (pre-2.6.30) | Jun 11 04:59 |
| mtnd3w | DaemonXP: i've been on ext4, right now 2.6.30 smp | Jun 11 05:00 |
| mtnd3w | DaemonXP: everything seems fine | Jun 11 05:00 |
| DaemonXP | but if I wanted to have poor performance, I could use Ext3, and if I wanted to have to protect my data by keeping it all in a binary database, I'd use SQLite and forget about what file system was under it | Jun 11 05:00 |
| mtnd3w | DaemonXP: i got a better bootup performance really | Jun 11 05:00 |
| DaemonXP | XFS has always served me well on Linux | Jun 11 05:02 |
| DaemonXP | the first time I had the system go down with Ext4 I lost over 100 megs of files | Jun 11 05:02 |
| DaemonXP | I don't trust it | Jun 11 05:02 |
| mtnd3w | i | Jun 11 05:03 |
| mtnd3w | i'll keep an eye for any issues | Jun 11 05:03 |
| mtnd3w | but so far so good | Jun 11 05:03 |
| DaemonXP | if you do, then it's YOUR funeral | Jun 11 05:03 |
| DaemonXP | so more power to you | Jun 11 05:03 |
| mtnd3w | not really, i have my data on a server | Jun 11 05:04 |
| mtnd3w | only will lose the OS itself, nothing major | Jun 11 05:04 |
| DaemonXP | the only case I've found that XFS has a hard time with is delete thousands of really tiny files | Jun 11 05:05 |
| DaemonXP | other than that it's a good file system | Jun 11 05:05 |
| DaemonXP | ;.the design goals of BtrFS will make it the best overall file system, if they pan out | Jun 11 05:06 |
| DaemonXP | right now, performance isn't really that good | Jun 11 05:06 |
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| TLinton | didn't firefox have a problem with ext3? | Jun 11 05:31 |
| TLinton | related to sqlite or something | Jun 11 05:32 |
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| TLinton | come to think of it it must have the same problem on windows | Jun 11 05:38 |
| TLinton | it hits the hdd big time every time i switch the folder for a bookmark | Jun 11 05:38 |
| TLinton | even though the dialog has a "Done" button | Jun 11 05:38 |
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| TLinton | so it must be bookmarking from the start | Jun 11 05:40 |
| TLinton | and *removing* the bookmark if you hit cancel | Jun 11 05:40 |
| TLinton | nice | Jun 11 05:40 |
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| DaemonXP | Your User Agent is: Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.0; U; en) Presto/2.2.15 Version/10.00 | Jun 11 06:00 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 06:00 |
| DaemonXP | http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ | Jun 11 06:01 |
| mtnd3w | Rob Weir Exposes an Anti-ODF Whisper Campaign http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009061001520015 | Jun 11 06:02 |
| DaemonXP | like I said | Jun 11 06:02 |
| DaemonXP | Firefox = crap | Jun 11 06:02 |
| DaemonXP | At least Opera bothers to do a proper port | Jun 11 06:02 |
| TLinton | it's not *that* bad | Jun 11 06:02 |
| DaemonXP | Firefox is about one-third slower on Linux | Jun 11 06:02 |
| DaemonXP | as benchmarked by Peacekeeper | Jun 11 06:03 |
| TLinton | i know | Jun 11 06:03 |
| TLinton | but it's a good browser | Jun 11 06:03 |
| TLinton | speed isn't everything | Jun 11 06:03 |
| DaemonXP | I think the reason Opera ports better is because that's what they need it to do | Jun 11 06:03 |
| TLinton | besides, compared to ie it's the bees' knees | Jun 11 06:03 |
| DaemonXP | it runs on several operating systems, across many different CPU types | Jun 11 06:04 |
| DaemonXP | and devices | Jun 11 06:04 |
| DaemonXP | Firefox can't fit on a device, so typically it's either Opera or something Webkit-based | Jun 11 06:04 |
| DaemonXP | Firefox is too bloated | Jun 11 06:04 |
| DaemonXP | hell, Apple even managed a portable Safari | Jun 11 06:05 |
| DaemonXP | Microsoft did Pocket Internet Explorer | Jun 11 06:05 |
| DaemonXP | NOBODY has done a Firefox for devices | Jun 11 06:05 |
| DaemonXP | it's not like there's no demand | Jun 11 06:06 |
| DaemonXP | if it was easy to port Firefox to a device than pay for Opera licenses, someone would have | Jun 11 06:06 |
| TLinton | it might not be suitable for devices, but it's fine for pc's | Jun 11 06:07 |
| TLinton | the value of firefox is not its speed or portability | Jun 11 06:08 |
| TLinton | it's that it's an alternative to ie | Jun 11 06:08 |
| TLinton | by that measure, it has already won | Jun 11 06:08 |
| TLinton | no matter how horribly bloated and slow it is | Jun 11 06:08 |
| mtnd3w | microsoft if fud raping the internet with anti-ODF propaganda | Jun 11 06:11 |
| mtnd3w | these MS execs also... | Jun 11 06:11 |
| TLinton | which ms execs | Jun 11 06:12 |
| DaemonXP | Opera is also an alternative | Jun 11 06:19 |
| TLinton | true | Jun 11 06:19 |
| DaemonXP | and it does support the W3C standards better than Firefox for that matter | Jun 11 06:19 |
| TLinton | i never liked opera though | Jun 11 06:19 |
| TLinton | that's just a personal preference | Jun 11 06:20 |
| DaemonXP | http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7471/70400836.png | Jun 11 06:22 |
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| TLinton_ | konq crashed when i was trying to upload a screenshot | Jun 11 06:27 |
| TLinton_ | gah | Jun 11 06:27 |
| TLinton_ | of itself | Jun 11 06:27 |
| TLinton_ | failing that test | Jun 11 06:27 |
| TLinton_ | haha | Jun 11 06:28 |
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| DaemonXP | FAIL x2 | Jun 11 06:29 |
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| TLinton_ | http://imgur.com/NyQ9V.png | Jun 11 06:34 |
| TLinton_ | firefox on windows scores 71/100 | Jun 11 06:36 |
| TLinton_ | but ie8 fails as well | Jun 11 06:36 |
| DaemonXP | IE fails miserably | Jun 11 06:37 |
| DaemonXP | http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3152/45481253.png | Jun 11 06:39 |
| DaemonXP | IE 8 on ACID 3 | Jun 11 06:39 |
| EDavidBurg | http://eric.grubbn.org/acid3win.png | Jun 11 06:39 |
| EDavidBurg | Safari 4 on OS X 10.5.7 | Jun 11 06:39 |
| DaemonXP | Safari isn't really a browser though | Jun 11 06:40 |
| DaemonXP | it's a self abuse kit | Jun 11 06:40 |
| DaemonXP | ported from KDE | Jun 11 06:40 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 06:40 |
| EDavidBurg | I like it just fine | Jun 11 06:41 |
| EDavidBurg | http://eric.grubbn.org/acid3ff35b99.png | Jun 11 06:41 |
| EDavidBurg | FF3.5b99 on the same | Jun 11 06:41 |
| DaemonXP | well obviously Safari is better on the Mac, they have things like extensions | Jun 11 06:42 |
| DaemonXP | if you use it on Mac | Jun 11 06:42 |
| DaemonXP | Safari on Windows is crap | Jun 11 06:42 |
| EDavidBurg | I don't care much for the acid tests anyways, it doesn't show real world performance. | Jun 11 06:42 |
| DaemonXP | can't even block ads or anything | Jun 11 06:42 |
| DaemonXP | no way to override new window handling | Jun 11 06:42 |
| DaemonXP | it's totally dumbed down | Jun 11 06:42 |
| EDavidBurg | Well, no one cares about Safari for Windows, not even Apple | Jun 11 06:43 |
| EDavidBurg | the only people who use it are people using boot camp | Jun 11 06:43 |
| DaemonXP | it's not much better on the Mac from what I understand | Jun 11 06:43 |
| EDavidBurg | and those who wish desperately they could afford macs | Jun 11 06:43 |
| DaemonXP | they were talking about hand editing config files | Jun 11 06:43 |
| DaemonXP | to control window behavior | Jun 11 06:43 |
| EDavidBurg | DaemonXP: from what you understand or from what you've actually used? | Jun 11 06:43 |
| DaemonXP | even IE can do that in the config menu | Jun 11 06:43 |
| EDavidBurg | they'd two different things | Jun 11 06:43 |
| EDavidBurg | they're* | Jun 11 06:44 |
| DaemonXP | I was trying to figure out how to get it to open new windows as tabs and found out that there's no GUI option for that on either Windows or Mac | Jun 11 06:44 |
| DaemonXP | and Mac users have to edit a config file | Jun 11 06:44 |
| EDavidBurg | ... | Jun 11 06:45 |
| EDavidBurg | No. | Jun 11 06:45 |
| DaemonXP | I found the Windows version of that file but it was some kind of binary format | Jun 11 06:45 |
| DaemonXP | fuck Apple | Jun 11 06:45 |
| DaemonXP | all their Windows software is absolute bullshit | Jun 11 06:45 |
| DaemonXP | their devices are TOTALLY incompatible with Linux | Jun 11 06:46 |
| DaemonXP | and the Mac is too dumbed down and overpriced to even consider | Jun 11 06:46 |
| DaemonXP | so really what good are they? | Jun 11 06:46 |
| EDavidBurg | so you're knocking a company for not spending millions to make their products work better for people who don't want to give them money? | Jun 11 06:46 |
| DaemonXP | I'm not using an iPod and iTunes for Windows is reason number one | Jun 11 06:47 |
| EDavidBurg | you know what, I'm not going to do it. No FUD-baiting for me tonight. | Jun 11 06:47 |
| DaemonXP | iTunes is not freeware you know | Jun 11 06:47 |
| DaemonXP | its main purpose is managing an ipod | Jun 11 06:47 |
| DaemonXP | which are $300 | Jun 11 06:47 |
| DaemonXP | if they can't even get iTunes to work right, why am I going to buy its companion device? | Jun 11 06:47 |
| EDavidBurg | You're talking to yourself now, because you're just saying things that are plain wrong and there's no way i'll convince you otherwise. | Jun 11 06:47 |
| DaemonXP | Tell me why iTunes is over 80 megs just for the setup file, works so poorly, and has to add 7 system services that are always running? | Jun 11 06:48 |
| DaemonXP | when I can plug in any other portable there is and Windows can just sync them for me | Jun 11 06:48 |
| TLinton_ | agreed on the itunes thing | Jun 11 06:48 |
| TLinton_ | i actually installed it by mistake along with quicktime | Jun 11 06:48 |
| DaemonXP | heh | Jun 11 06:49 |
| DaemonXP | big god damned mistake! | Jun 11 06:49 |
| TLinton_ | and then i said what the hell, i'll try it | Jun 11 06:49 |
| DaemonXP | now you have like 47 things to remove | Jun 11 06:49 |
| DaemonXP | piece by piece | Jun 11 06:49 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 06:49 |
| TLinton_ | just as a media player, i don't even have an ipod | Jun 11 06:49 |
| TLinton_ | it sucks | Jun 11 06:49 |
| TLinton_ | even the old MusicMatch is better | Jun 11 06:49 |
| DaemonXP | Quicktime is total bullshit too | Jun 11 06:49 |
| TLinton_ | BUT | Jun 11 06:49 |
| DaemonXP | there's no reason to have any of Apple's piss poor software | Jun 11 06:49 |
| DaemonXP | VLC or KLite Codec Pack can both play Apple formats | Jun 11 06:50 |
| TLinton_ | i've never used it on OSX, so i don't know how good or bad it might be there | Jun 11 06:50 |
| TLinton_ | i suspect it's a hell of a lot better if so many people use it | Jun 11 06:50 |
| DaemonXP | K-Lite has Quicktime Alternative and Real Alternative | Jun 11 06:50 |
| TLinton_ | never been impressed by apple software for windows | Jun 11 06:50 |
| DaemonXP | so you never need wither one again | Jun 11 06:50 |
| EDavidBurg | TLinton_: all of apple's software is 10x better on OS X | Jun 11 06:50 |
| TLinton_ | the first ports of quicktime were crap | Jun 11 06:50 |
| DaemonXP | if Apple makes it, I don't want it | Jun 11 06:51 |
| DaemonXP | period | Jun 11 06:51 |
| TLinton_ | David: yeah, i bet it is | Jun 11 06:51 |
| EDavidBurg | DaemonXP: quite open minded of you | Jun 11 06:51 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, cause OS X is so much more painful to use | Jun 11 06:51 |
| TLinton_ | if it was as bad as their windows software no one would use it | Jun 11 06:51 |
| EDavidBurg | also, what's with people not having tab complete in this channel? | Jun 11 06:51 |
| EDavidBurg | if you're in any decent client (read: irssi) then you can tab complete nicks a la the terminal | Jun 11 06:51 |
| DaemonXP | TLinton_: Macs are just bizarre | Jun 11 06:52 |
| DaemonXP | they try to second guess you | Jun 11 06:52 |
| DaemonXP | on everything | Jun 11 06:52 |
| TLinton_ | never owned one | Jun 11 06:52 |
| EDavidBurg | *sigh* here we go again | Jun 11 06:52 |
| TLinton_ | i've been tempted tho | Jun 11 06:52 |
| DaemonXP | there's just no explaining how infuriating it is to get a Mac to do anything | Jun 11 06:52 |
| EDavidBurg | ranting about a platform he's never used | Jun 11 06:52 |
| DaemonXP | no, actually | Jun 11 06:52 |
| TLinton_ | but OS X is unix-ish underneath, no? | Jun 11 06:52 |
| DaemonXP | I've used OS X | Jun 11 06:52 |
| DaemonXP | and OS 9 | Jun 11 06:52 |
| DaemonXP | and 8 | Jun 11 06:52 |
| DaemonXP | and 7.5.5 | Jun 11 06:52 |
| EDavidBurg | TLinton_: yes | Jun 11 06:52 |
| EDavidBurg | DaemonXP: turns out, those are completely different OSs | Jun 11 06:53 |
| TLinton_ | so it can't be *that* bad | Jun 11 06:53 |
| TLinton_ | and it's pretty | Jun 11 06:53 |
| DaemonXP | you're right, I liked them better | Jun 11 06:53 |
| EDavidBurg | DaemonXP: that's like saying "I've used Minix, so this linux crap is a piece of cake!" | Jun 11 06:53 |
| TLinton_ | hell of a lot prettier than linux | Jun 11 06:53 |
| TLinton_ | but pretty doesn't get you from point a to point b | Jun 11 06:53 |
| TLinton_ | not usually anyway | Jun 11 06:53 |
| TLinton_ | unless you're a hooker :) | Jun 11 06:53 |
| EDavidBurg | DaemonXP: and actually that's a bad comparison, because linux was supposed to be similar to minix. 9 and X are COMPLETELY different | Jun 11 06:53 |
| DaemonXP | OS X is the only operating system I know of that makes you click "Eject" on a thumb driver | Jun 11 06:54 |
| DaemonXP | *drive | Jun 11 06:54 |
| DaemonXP | or else it bitches | Jun 11 06:54 |
| DaemonXP | that you didn't eject it properly | Jun 11 06:54 |
| EDavidBurg | DaemonXP: um. heard of safely remove hardware? | Jun 11 06:54 |
| EDavidBurg | or nautilus... | Jun 11 06:54 |
| DaemonXP | it also disabled screenshots of DVD playback | Jun 11 06:54 |
| EDavidBurg | it's a good practice to avoid losing data | Jun 11 06:54 |
| DaemonXP | unless you use scrot from the terminal | Jun 11 06:54 |
| DaemonXP | and it respects all the Mackeral-Vision/DRM crap | Jun 11 06:55 |
| EDavidBurg | How dare they follow the law... | Jun 11 06:55 |
| DaemonXP | fuck them | Jun 11 06:55 |
| TLinton_ | does os x have a write-back cache to external devices like windows? | Jun 11 06:55 |
| DaemonXP | they're useless | Jun 11 06:55 |
| *EDavidBurg snaps out of it | Jun 11 06:55 | |
| EDavidBurg | NO, I will not keep talking to you about Apple, DaemonXP | Jun 11 06:55 |
| EDavidBurg | you're fine, TLinton_ | Jun 11 06:55 |
| DaemonXP | Crapple | Jun 11 06:56 |
| TLinton_ | lol | Jun 11 06:56 |
| DaemonXP | the guys that wish they were the gangsters that Microsoft is | Jun 11 06:56 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 06:56 |
| TLinton_ | don't get excited, it's just technology :) | Jun 11 06:56 |
| TLinton_ | some of it sucks and some of it doesn't | Jun 11 06:56 |
| EDavidBurg | DaemonXP: i recommend you read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7347446&postcount=1 | Jun 11 06:57 |
| DaemonXP | VLC doesn't obey Mackeral-Vision like Crapple does | Jun 11 06:57 |
| DaemonXP | it obeys the user | Jun 11 06:57 |
| DaemonXP | http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1171/93785066.png | Jun 11 06:59 |
| TLinton_ | oh wow, opera looks very nice there | Jun 11 07:00 |
| *TLinton_ is slightly envious :) | Jun 11 07:00 | |
| TLinton_ | god facebook is annoying... | Jun 11 07:01 |
| TLinton_ | at first it's fun | Jun 11 07:01 |
| TLinton_ | and then one day you wake up and you have 300 "friends" | Jun 11 07:01 |
| TLinton_ | and it's unusable | Jun 11 07:02 |
| TLinton_ | and the emails... | Jun 11 07:02 |
| TLinton_ | god i hate the emails | Jun 11 07:02 |
| TLinton_ | but i don't do anything about it :) | Jun 11 07:02 |
| TLinton_ | i'm a slob | Jun 11 07:02 |
| DaemonXP | TLinton_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackerelvision | Jun 11 07:03 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 07:03 |
| DaemonXP | another Wikipedia easter egg by yours truly | Jun 11 07:03 |
| TLinton_ | hahaha | Jun 11 07:04 |
| TLinton_ | nice | Jun 11 07:04 |
| TLinton_ | don't they delete those though? | Jun 11 07:04 |
| TLinton_ | redirects that make "political statements" and such | Jun 11 07:04 |
| DaemonXP | sometimes | Jun 11 07:04 |
| TLinton_ | i remember a few of the ones for dubya got nuked as well | Jun 11 07:04 |
| TLinton_ | but they were crass | Jun 11 07:04 |
| DaemonXP | I had Tricky Dick Fun Bill redirect to the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 | Jun 11 07:05 |
| DaemonXP | and it took like 7 months | Jun 11 07:05 |
| DaemonXP | before they found it | Jun 11 07:05 |
| TLinton_ | haha | Jun 11 07:05 |
| DaemonXP | "What to do, what to do. One 300 dollar hookerbot or 300 one dollar hookerbots?" | Jun 11 07:06 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 07:06 |
| TLinton_ | ok, i just "activated" xchat here, let me see if it will work | Jun 11 07:07 |
| TLinton_ | hang5 | Jun 11 07:07 |
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| TLinton | alright | Jun 11 07:09 |
| TLinton | xchat it is | Jun 11 07:09 |
| EDavidBurg | I was wondering why you get so many mibbit users, that makes sense now | Jun 11 07:09 |
| TLinton | it's not that bad | Jun 11 07:09 |
| EDavidBurg | I like xchat | Jun 11 07:09 |
| TLinton | i was surprised it works so well on konq | Jun 11 07:09 |
| EDavidBurg | but irssi will always be better | Jun 11 07:09 |
| TLinton | but nothing beats an actual IRC client | Jun 11 07:10 |
| DaemonXP | Opera | Jun 11 07:10 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 07:10 |
| TLinton | didn't firefox have one as well? | Jun 11 07:11 |
| TLinton | i never tried it | Jun 11 07:11 |
| TLinton | if it was a xul app it probably wasn't worth trying | Jun 11 07:11 |
| EDavidBurg | opera is the new emacs | Jun 11 07:11 |
| DaemonXP | Chatzilla was part of Mozilla Suite | Jun 11 07:11 |
| DaemonXP | now part of Seamonkey | Jun 11 07:11 |
| DaemonXP | available as a Firefox extension | Jun 11 07:12 |
| TLinton | chatzilla, that's right | Jun 11 07:12 |
| DaemonXP | no, Apple is just a poser | Jun 11 07:12 |
| TLinton | it was a big deal, iirc | Jun 11 07:12 |
| DaemonXP | they like to rip off a lot of other people's software | Jun 11 07:12 |
| DaemonXP | cause they have no talent | Jun 11 07:12 |
| EDavidBurg | what was that even responding to? | Jun 11 07:12 |
| DaemonXP | Opera is not an emacs | Jun 11 07:13 |
| EDavidBurg | what does that have to do with apple? | Jun 11 07:13 |
| DaemonXP | the extra functionality is not bloat because the framework for all of it was already there | Jun 11 07:13 |
| EDavidBurg | what does that have to do with apple? | Jun 11 07:14 |
| DaemonXP | don't be so hard on a company that knows how to make useful software that does lots of things well, vs. Apple which makes software that does hardly anything, gets what it does do wrong, and ends up with a package that's 10 times the size it should be | Jun 11 07:14 |
| DaemonXP | ;) | Jun 11 07:14 |
| EDavidBurg | i still don't see how my comment had to do with apple... | Jun 11 07:15 |
| EDavidBurg | i think you just like talking about them | Jun 11 07:15 |
| EDavidBurg | gives you a warm fuzzy feeling when all of those years of rage have an object to hate | Jun 11 07:15 |
| EDavidBurg | that was a poorly phrased sentence... | Jun 11 07:16 |
| DaemonXP | Common misconceptions about Apple users? | Jun 11 07:18 |
| DaemonXP | I'd like to know how idiots that can't figure out how to use a normal PC make enough money for a Mac | Jun 11 07:18 |
| EDavidBurg | s/Apple users/Mac OS X/ | Jun 11 07:18 |
| EDavidBurg | I think it's time for more rosetta stone | Jun 11 07:19 |
| EDavidBurg | when you've had your tantrum, let me know and I'll see if your milk is cold yet. | Jun 11 07:19 |
| TLinton | i have a fish that eats meat :) | Jun 11 07:20 |
| schestowitz | 9 Hostage Officers Killed at Peruvian Oil Facility < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/world/americas/07peru.html > | Jun 11 07:20 |
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| TLinton | i swear, you drop some ham in the tank and he eats it | Jun 11 07:20 |
| TLinton | it's uncanny | Jun 11 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Former Us Mortgage Chief Executive Charged With Fraud < http://www.buzzle.com/articles/274440.html > | Jun 11 07:20 |
| DaemonXP | finally | Jun 11 07:22 |
| DaemonXP | 1 down, thousands to go | Jun 11 07:22 |
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| schestowitz | It's a start | Jun 11 07:39 |
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| ushimitsudoki | howdy | Jun 11 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | Did you see this? http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/600/42/378477.htm | Jun 11 09:17 |
| DaemonXP | one of the most corrupt places in the world is investigating Microsoft? | Jun 11 09:21 |
| DaemonXP | The UK ended up getting more corrupt on the latest Corruption Perception Index | Jun 11 09:22 |
| DaemonXP | heh | Jun 11 09:22 |
| DaemonXP | only half a point down is the United states | Jun 11 09:22 |
| DaemonXP | http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/2008-transparency-international-corruption-perceptions.html | Jun 11 09:23 |
| DaemonXP | the most corrupt country in the world is Somalia | Jun 11 09:23 |
| DaemonXP | the least corrupt is Denmark | Jun 11 09:23 |
| fewa | DaemonXP, alot of that corruption is emphasised by efforts n the US to continue the cold war | Jun 11 09:23 |
| DaemonXP | "The index defines corruption as the abuse of public office for private gain and measures the degree to which corruption is perceived to exist among a country's public officials and politicians." | Jun 11 09:24 |
| DaemonXP | the US is in 18th place of 180 places on the index | Jun 11 09:24 |
| fewa | DaemonXP, have you read that stats on our own government reventally? | Jun 11 09:24 |
| DaemonXP | tied with Belguim and Japan | Jun 11 09:24 |
| DaemonXP | Israel is 33 | Jun 11 09:25 |
| fewa | onlyy 9% of citizens think Congress is doing its job | Jun 11 09:25 |
| fewa | read that again: 9% | Jun 11 09:25 |
| DaemonXP | Russia is in place 147 | Jun 11 09:25 |
| fewa | wait im assuming your american | Jun 11 09:25 |
| DaemonXP | actually you're citing an old poll | Jun 11 09:26 |
| DaemonXP | that was taken when the Republicans were in majority | Jun 11 09:26 |
| DaemonXP | it's risen to 37% | Jun 11 09:26 |
| DaemonXP | under the Democrats | Jun 11 09:26 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 09:26 |
| fewa | well yeah | Jun 11 09:26 |
| DaemonXP | still not great, but at least we're back in the double digits | Jun 11 09:27 |
| DaemonXP | heh | Jun 11 09:27 |
| fewa | http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/the-next-big-taxpayer-bailout-imf-could-get-hundreds-of-billions-for-european-banks/ | Jun 11 09:28 |
| fewa | http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/red-state-targets-vulnerable-democrats-in-conservative-districts-over-imf/ | Jun 11 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Obamabranding(r | Jun 11 09:29 |
| fewa | http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2346 | Jun 11 09:29 |
| DaemonXP | the Republicans are so rotten that anything else is good in comparison | Jun 11 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Even Chavez | Jun 11 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Chavez 2012... for US leadership ;-0 | Jun 11 09:30 |
| DaemonXP | technically, it's illegal for me to watch my DVDs in VLC | Jun 11 09:30 |
| DaemonXP | cause it has to crack the CSS before it can load them | Jun 11 09:31 |
| DaemonXP | it stores the key it finds in the user's home folder so it doesn't take as long to start the disc next time | Jun 11 09:32 |
| DaemonXP | it's only a 40 bit cipher, so it's trivial | Jun 11 09:34 |
| DaemonXP | but it still counts as "protection" under the law | Jun 11 09:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard yeah, just do what they do with MSlive, re-badge it and re-sell. (IMO) | Jun 11 09:35 | |
| DaemonXP | most DVD drives make it so that VLC has to brute force every disc you play | Jun 11 09:38 |
| DaemonXP | the copy of VLC that came on this month's PC World magazine has a fully functional VLC | Jun 11 09:40 |
| DaemonXP | complete with LibDVDCSS | Jun 11 09:40 |
| DaemonXP | Ubuntu's "The Open CD" had VLC for Windows, but they crippled it | Jun 11 09:40 |
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| DaemonXP | hmmmm | Jun 11 09:53 |
| DaemonXP | VLC can't decode the audio on this DVD | Jun 11 09:53 |
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| DaemonXP | hmmm, the nightly build can | Jun 11 09:57 |
| DaemonXP | *shrugs* | Jun 11 09:57 |
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| DaemonXP | schestowitz: THose "Essential Windows apps" CDs they put in those magazines | Jun 11 10:09 |
| DaemonXP | most of them are free software anymore | Jun 11 10:09 |
| DaemonXP | not the demos and crippleware they used to slap in them | Jun 11 10:09 |
| oiaohm | It comes down to profit. | Jun 11 10:10 |
| oiaohm | Currently lot of companies are not paying mags for disk space. | Jun 11 10:10 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, well, I saw things like Firefox, VLC, Blender, GIMP, etc | Jun 11 10:11 |
| DaemonXP | so that's a good sign I suppose | Jun 11 10:11 |
| DaemonXP | it'd be nice if someone made a decent free software CD burning app for Windows | Jun 11 10:11 |
| DaemonXP | the closest thing I've found is ImgBurn, which is just freeware | Jun 11 10:11 |
| DaemonXP | I don't get it | Jun 11 10:12 |
| DaemonXP | if you never intend on making money on something, why leave it closed source? | Jun 11 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Some people are hopeful. | Jun 11 10:13 |
| DaemonXP | the guy that does ImgBurn has left it as freeware since 2005 | Jun 11 10:13 |
| DaemonXP | before that it was DVD Decrypter | Jun 11 10:14 |
| DaemonXP | I would think he'd put it under some kind of open source license if he isn't gonna sell it | Jun 11 10:14 |
| oiaohm | By remain closed source someone can buy you out and shutdown down development. | Jun 11 10:14 |
| oiaohm | As I say are hopeful. | Jun 11 10:14 |
| DaemonXP | what I don't understand is why people pay for shit like Nero | Jun 11 10:16 |
| DaemonXP | hmmmm | Jun 11 10:21 |
| DaemonXP | Opera on Linux is taking extra care to integrate properly with GNOME and KDE | Jun 11 10:21 |
| DaemonXP | for their Opera 10 release | Jun 11 10:21 |
| DaemonXP | nice to see | Jun 11 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't pay for Nero it comes bundled with the recorder. | Jun 11 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | OK, done posting links - http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/11/rcs-are-nearer/ - on to some posts | Jun 11 10:29 |
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| DaemonXP | I buy OEM parts | Jun 11 10:36 |
| DaemonXP | they usually don't come with anything but the hardware | Jun 11 10:36 |
| DaemonXP | Tigerdirect is giving away free Vista discs with some hard drives | Jun 11 10:37 |
| DaemonXP | to get rid of them I'd imagine | Jun 11 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Over here its common for particular brands of burners to ship with nero limited version. | Jun 11 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Along with powerdvd and the like. | Jun 11 10:38 |
| DaemonXP | retail parts yeah | Jun 11 10:42 |
| DaemonXP | but I didn't feel like spending $50 on a DVD writer I could get for $20 as OEM | Jun 11 10:43 |
| DaemonXP | just to get Nero Crippleware Edition and a pretty box :P | Jun 11 10:43 |
| oiaohm | That is boxless. | Jun 11 10:43 |
| oiaohm | The cd is taped to the top of the drive. | Jun 11 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Note I said some. The stupid part it costs the same OEM with or without the cd taped to the top with nero on it. | Jun 11 10:45 |
| oiaohm | At one point here the cd was shipping inside the drive. | Jun 11 10:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Worst Patch Tuesday Ever, Intent to Shut Out the Security Industry < http://ping.fm/DoFGa > | Jun 11 11:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rally to Put More Mono in Ubuntu Backfires, Users Left Concerned by Mono < http://ping.fm/CXb7D > | Jun 11 11:30 | |
| DaemonXP | schestowitz: I only got a handful of security updates yesterday | Jun 11 11:32 |
| DaemonXP | like 8-9 | Jun 11 11:32 |
| DaemonXP | the rest were bug patches for Media Center | Jun 11 11:32 |
| magentar | interesting article http://www.osnews.com/story/21653/Microsoft_Won_t_Fix_Windows_7_s_UAC | Jun 11 11:34 |
| DaemonXP | UAC will always be an annoyance as much as su/sudo is on Linux | Jun 11 11:37 |
| DaemonXP | the only thing Microsoft can do is reduce the number of things it warns you about | Jun 11 11:37 |
| magentar | with all the complexity and indirection added to the os by uac, microsoft can still not get it right. the super user mode in linux is plain and simple and it just works. | Jun 11 11:38 |
| DaemonXP | well, what Microsoft should have done is make the user elevate to bring up control panel | Jun 11 11:39 |
| DaemonXP | but not for any of the applets loaded FROM it | Jun 11 11:39 |
| DaemonXP | what it does instead is not elevate to bring it up, but prompt me every time I want an applet that needs elevated | Jun 11 11:40 |
| DaemonXP | that's the most unbelievably stupid thing I've seen in UAC | Jun 11 11:40 |
| magentar | yes it's very annoying, but it still is not secure. what a paradox... | Jun 11 11:40 |
| DaemonXP | Mandriva for example | Jun 11 11:40 |
| DaemonXP | you elevate to bring up the control center | Jun 11 11:40 |
| DaemonXP | but not the applets | Jun 11 11:40 |
| DaemonXP | Vista should do something like that | Jun 11 11:41 |
| magentar | well it would also mean that you would have the control panel (which is basically an explorer instance) open for a long time running as super user, even though just the applets need priviledges. | Jun 11 11:41 |
| DaemonXP | but since Explorer processes are kept separate, other instances are still running as the user | Jun 11 11:42 |
| DaemonXP | which makes sense | Jun 11 11:42 |
| DaemonXP | apps running as user can't interfere with apps running as admin | Jun 11 11:43 |
| magentar | could be, i don't know how it works internally. i just remember the trojans for win7 that simulated some mouseclicks to disable uac, i guess similar things could be done wit the explorer instance | Jun 11 11:43 |
| DaemonXP | 64-bit Windows also has DEP turned on by default which helps to enforce that | Jun 11 11:43 |
| DaemonXP | 32-bit Windows, you need to turn DEP on for all processes that aren't part of the system | Jun 11 11:44 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of old secuirty flaws in windows. | Jun 11 11:44 |
| oiaohm | That render UAC as nothing more than a minor pest to attackers. | Jun 11 11:45 |
| DaemonXP | well, IE seems to maybe be getting better | Jun 11 11:46 |
| DaemonXP | I only got 3 security patches for IE 8 | Jun 11 11:46 |
| magentar | haven't used windows for over a year now ;) just at work. partly because it always fails to install or crashes with bluescreens | Jun 11 11:47 |
| DaemonXP | I don't really use IE that much | Jun 11 11:47 |
| magentar | the bad thing is, many applications use it internally | Jun 11 11:47 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, Winamp embeds IE to look up song info | Jun 11 11:48 |
| DaemonXP | I'm starting to like Foobar 2000 better anyway | Jun 11 11:49 |
| DaemonXP | what's really lacking is a decent PDF viewer for Windows | Jun 11 11:57 |
| DaemonXP | the only decent one is FoxIt which lately is trying to dump browser toolbars and crap as part of the install | Jun 11 11:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Microsoft Failed to Work with Free Software < http://ping.fm/7UAHa > | Jun 11 12:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Russia to Microsoft: Stop Forcing People to Buy Windows < http://ping.fm/HVHwd > | Jun 11 12:40 | |
| DaemonXP | funny how the Russians only care after Microsoft starts yanking out all their hacked OEM bootloaders | Jun 11 12:54 |
| DaemonXP | seriously? Microsoft sells Windows in Russia? | Jun 11 12:56 |
| DaemonXP | who knew? | Jun 11 12:56 |
| DaemonXP | I thought it was all $5 discs from "some guy" | Jun 11 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Naaa | Jun 11 13:04 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft IP Ventures and Intellectual Ventures < http://ping.fm/8LJzc > | Jun 11 13:15 | |
| trmanco | hun | Jun 11 13:15 |
| trmanco | there isn't much diference between the windows firefox 3.5 build and the linux 3.5 build (not from mozilla) | Jun 11 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Who are you calling "Hun"? DaemonXP? | Jun 11 13:16 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe Mozilla compiles it differently now | Jun 11 13:17 |
| trmanco | the build I'm using isn't from Mozilla | Jun 11 13:17 |
| trmanco | the linux one | Jun 11 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Those weasels from Mozilla :p | Jun 11 13:18 |
| trmanco | TEST COMPARISON FROM TO DETAILS | Jun 11 13:19 |
| trmanco | ============================================================================= | Jun 11 13:19 |
| trmanco | ** TOTAL **: *1.15x as slow* 2278.4ms +/- 3.3% 2618.2ms +/- 1.0% significant | Jun 11 13:19 |
| trmanco | 0.3 ms | Jun 11 13:20 |
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| trmanco | thats not much | Jun 11 13:20 |
| DaemonXP | not on sunspider | Jun 11 13:24 |
| DaemonXP | run Peacekeeper | Jun 11 13:24 |
| trmanco | I deleted the windows build already :| | Jun 11 13:26 |
| DaemonXP | http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/index.action | Jun 11 13:26 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jun 11 13:26 |
| trmanco | I'm already there | Jun 11 13:26 |
| trmanco | but with the linux build | Jun 11 13:26 |
| DaemonXP | Peacekeeper is a better overall test | Jun 11 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Last.fm co-founders pack up record boxes < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/11/last_fm_cofounders_quit/ > | Jun 11 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Pacekeeper | Jun 11 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Droll words | Jun 11 13:28 |
| DaemonXP | IE 8 is only half as fast as Opera 10 on Sunspider, but it's 5 times slower | Jun 11 13:29 |
| DaemonXP | once you give it a full battery of tests | Jun 11 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Venezuela spits out Coke Zero < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/11/coke_zero_ban/ > | Jun 11 13:29 |
| DaemonXP | so Sunspider actually paints IE in a better light :P | Jun 11 13:29 |
| DaemonXP | Coke Zero is some nasty shit | Jun 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "Barclays Bank is cutting 200 jobs from its IT department, but the bank is hoping it will reduce the number of redundancies originally announced." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/11/barclays_job_consultation/ Probably victimising tellers, not the people who cash in from all this | Jun 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonXP: Windows Zero would be a nice name | Jun 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Or Bank Zero | Jun 11 13:30 |
| DaemonXP | all the Windows aste with just one little calorie? | Jun 11 13:30 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 13:30 |
| trmanco | 850 points | Jun 11 13:30 |
| trmanco | but my cpu is old | Jun 11 13:30 |
| DaemonXP | *taste | Jun 11 13:31 |
| trmanco | 870* | Jun 11 13:31 |
| trmanco | Shiretoko(v3.5b99) Scored: | Jun 11 13:31 |
| trmanco | 870 Points | Jun 11 13:31 |
| DaemonXP | Firefox 3.5b4 got 1066 on Fedora on this system and 1642 on Vista | Jun 11 13:31 |
| DaemonXP | the Windows build kicks the Linux build's ass | Jun 11 13:32 |
| DaemonXP | which shows you that they only really care how it does on Windows | Jun 11 13:32 |
| DaemonXP | when the Windows version is over a third faster | Jun 11 13:32 |
| trmanco | DaemonXP, is the Linux build from Mozilla? | Jun 11 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Video Game Companies Still Bitching About Used Game Sales < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090606/1226365155.shtml >. They just need to modify (invent) laws again | Jun 11 13:33 |
| trmanco | or did you install it from the repos? | Jun 11 13:34 |
| ushimitsudoki | tired | Jun 11 13:35 |
| DaemonXP | the one in Fedora | Jun 11 13:35 |
| trmanco | try the official build and compare it like that | Jun 11 13:36 |
| DaemonXP | I also got similar results from the one in Mandriva | Jun 11 13:36 |
| trmanco | those aren't pgo optimized | Jun 11 13:36 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: WordPress now has a 'magic' button for upgrade. Did you try it? | Jun 11 13:38 |
| schestowitz | BTW, WordPress is spyware | Jun 11 13:38 |
| schestowitz | it phones Automattic all the time | Jun 11 13:38 |
| ushimitsudoki | that's calling for kismet i think? | Jun 11 13:39 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: see the latest post about Mono | Jun 11 13:39 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: maybe that too | Jun 11 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Akismet is a separate piece of spy softtware | Jun 11 13:39 |
| schestowitz | But it's not intended to be malicious | Jun 11 13:39 |
| ushimitsudoki | i think it has to be a bit "spy"-like just to work | Jun 11 13:40 |
| schestowitz | US Officials Finally Going After Online Organized Criminals In Other Countries < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090608/1721485170.shtml > | Jun 11 13:40 |
| ushimitsudoki | yeah lots of activity on my little blog on that last post | Jun 11 13:40 |
| ushimitsudoki | graph jumped way up after reddit.com and linuxtoday picked it up | Jun 11 13:40 |
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| ushimitsudoki | for me it's a lot of hits :) | Jun 11 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Google not worried by anti-trust investigations < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1271180/google-worried-anti-trust-investigations > | Jun 11 13:42 |
| schestowitz | I've just looked at BN stats. Almost 10k unique visitors per day some days. | Jun 11 13:43 |
| ushimitsudoki | wow, I'm usually around 300 :) | Jun 11 13:44 |
| ushimitsudoki | big news man here | Jun 11 13:44 |
| schestowitz | I can't compare this to previous months because it was a different server with other s/w, but I only look at stats like twice a week | Jun 11 13:44 |
| ushimitsudoki | actually i'm lying: now that i look at the chart, it's closer to being around 250 | Jun 11 13:44 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Jun 11 13:44 |
| ushimitsudoki | now i'm sad :( | Jun 11 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Another headline: Microsoft burns Money < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1271179/microsoft-burns-money > | Jun 11 13:44 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: how many posts in the blog though? | Jun 11 13:45 |
| ushimitsudoki | 161 posts 468 comments | Jun 11 13:45 |
| schestowitz | We were about the same around the first 100, I think | Jun 11 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Now we have ~6600 posts | Jun 11 13:45 |
| ushimitsudoki | almost 2900 unique visitors today though | Jun 11 13:45 |
| *schestowitz looks to see if Jo is there | Jun 11 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | Who's this? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=72698&forumpage=0 | Jun 11 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I see Stefano | Jun 11 13:47 |
| ushimitsudoki | nn | Jun 11 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Adam Williamson (not fedroa): Err…so Debian installs no packages by default? Just grub, initrd, and a kernel? | Jun 11 13:48 |
| schestowitz | *now Fedora, was Mandriva | Jun 11 13:48 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yeah | Jun 11 13:49 |
| DaemonXP | Debian is all kinds of stable | Jun 11 13:49 |
| trmanco | but I'm having a rough time upgrading my other site | Jun 11 13:49 |
| DaemonXP | of course that's the idea | Jun 11 13:49 |
| DaemonXP | but it's kind of difficult to get anything but GNOME | Jun 11 13:49 |
| trmanco | it won't appear for some reason (the upgrade button) | Jun 11 13:49 |
| DaemonXP | at least from the installer | Jun 11 13:49 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: go to Dashboard | Jun 11 13:50 |
| schestowitz | It's not there in the popup(ish) | Jun 11 13:50 |
| trmanco | it's not there yet | Jun 11 13:50 |
| schestowitz | And I reckon it might not play nice with plugins | Jun 11 13:50 |
| DaemonXP | come to think about it, I think Debian probably is the only thing that comes to mind if you ask me about any big distros that don't directly depend on a big company to survive | Jun 11 13:50 |
| DaemonXP | so yeah, I wish it good luck | Jun 11 13:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll wait until tessier is around before making a move. I don't have DB admin tools that are graphical | Jun 11 13:51 |
| trmanco | heh | Jun 11 13:51 |
| DaemonXP | There needs to be a community distro that isn't steered by the particular business goals of one company | Jun 11 13:51 |
| DaemonXP | and Debian fills that spot | Jun 11 13:51 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/5185697 | Jun 11 13:53 |
| trmanco | there you go | Jun 11 13:53 |
| trmanco | no linux builds are optimized | Jun 11 13:53 |
| trmanco | not even official builds | Jun 11 13:54 |
| DaemonXP | of course they aren't | Jun 11 13:54 |
| DaemonXP | cause they all have to try to just work on any number of hardware configurations | Jun 11 13:54 |
| DaemonXP | so the distro just uses generic packages | Jun 11 13:54 |
| DaemonXP | there are some scripts that can scan your hardware and come up with a bas kernel .config file for you to work from that doesn't default to having anything you don't need | Jun 11 13:55 |
| DaemonXP | those go quite a ways towards bringing down the bloat | Jun 11 13:55 |
| DaemonXP | *base | Jun 11 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | Twitter is stagnating now, just like Digg did. http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-twitter-traffic-flat/ | Jun 11 13:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-incubator-betaworks-invests-in-twitterfeed/ | Jun 11 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | Another passing fad Twitter) | Jun 11 13:57 |
| DaemonXP | but a bigger problem is crapware, and it's mainly a Windows thing | Jun 11 13:57 |
| DaemonXP | Windows really isn't all that slow unless you aren't careful about the kinds of software you use or have running in the tray | Jun 11 13:57 |
| schestowitz | I guess that twitter "followers" will become as valuable as those 3,000+ 'friends' I have in Digg... many of whom leave the sites | Jun 11 13:57 |
| DaemonXP | Linux distros haven't historically had the bloatware problem, but between Firefox and Mono apps like Banshee | Jun 11 13:58 |
| DaemonXP | it's getting to be more of an issue | Jun 11 13:58 |
| DaemonXP | especially on lower end systems | Jun 11 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jun 11 13:58 |
| schestowitz | But Firefox promises improvement | Jun 11 13:58 |
| schestowitz | and mono is nono | Jun 11 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Running Java programs on my 32MB (or RAM) laptop was painful | Jun 11 13:59 |
| DaemonXP | meh, Firefox has been "promising" improvement since 5 years ago | Jun 11 13:59 |
| DaemonXP | and only keeps getting MORE demanding | Jun 11 13:59 |
| DaemonXP | I don't believe them anymore | Jun 11 13:59 |
| DaemonXP | their image size has doubled and in some cases tripled over where Firefox 1 was in 2004 | Jun 11 14:00 |
| DaemonXP | where Opera's has gone up a tad, but nothing like Firefox | Jun 11 14:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: It's not downloading, it's games. Here's the numbers. http://is.gd/YQ5m | Jun 11 14:00 | |
| DaemonXP | and Opera actually has features to show for it | Jun 11 14:00 |
| DaemonXP | if there's anything I can't stand it's when applications keep cutting features but demanding more resources to do less | Jun 11 14:01 |
| DaemonXP | and that's where Firefox has been heading | Jun 11 14:01 |
| trmanco | the chrome build on linux look weird | Jun 11 14:01 |
| trmanco | chromium* looks* | Jun 11 14:02 |
| DaemonXP | remove the GTK mask from Firefox | Jun 11 14:02 |
| DaemonXP | and see what it looks like :) | Jun 11 14:02 |
| DaemonXP | or you could try running it in Kubuntu | Jun 11 14:02 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 14:02 |
| DaemonXP | that's always shockingly ugly | Jun 11 14:02 |
| trmanco | http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=73422&p=1 | Jun 11 14:03 |
| trmanco | I'm talking about the window border | Jun 11 14:04 |
| trmanco | the top one | Jun 11 14:04 |
| DaemonXP | I bought an album from LaLa | Jun 11 14:05 |
| DaemonXP | and it turns out they are using Lame V 0 to encode | Jun 11 14:06 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 14:06 |
| DaemonXP | so now we have legit music store using LAME MP3 | Jun 11 14:07 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jun 11 14:07 |
| trmanco | omg | Jun 11 14:15 |
| trmanco | chrome is super duper fast | Jun 11 14:15 |
| trmanco | on start up | Jun 11 14:15 |
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| _Hicham_ | from DaemonFC to DaemonXP | Jun 11 14:18 |
| _Hicham_ | what a change! | Jun 11 14:18 |
| DaemonXP | nyaaah | Jun 11 14:20 |
| MinceR | he's been upgraded | Jun 11 14:20 |
| MinceR | stay tuned for DaemonVista and Daemon7, coming soon | Jun 11 14:20 |
| *DaemonXP rolls out the It's Better With DaemonXP campaign | Jun 11 14:20 | |
| *DaemonXP is now known as Daemon7 | Jun 11 14:21 | |
| MinceR | hm, he skipped a version | Jun 11 14:21 |
| MinceR | apparently vista wasn't that great after all :> | Jun 11 14:21 |
| *Daemon7 is now known as DaemonXP | Jun 11 14:21 | |
| _Hicham_ | the best I think is DaemonCrazy | Jun 11 14:22 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonBigAss | Jun 11 14:22 |
| MinceR | DaemonCracy! | Jun 11 14:22 |
| DaemonXP | nah, I grouped that nick | Jun 11 14:22 |
| MinceR | DaemonStration | Jun 11 14:22 |
| DaemonXP | I have the nick on pre-order | Jun 11 14:22 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 14:22 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonEncoder | Jun 11 14:22 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonDecoder | Jun 11 14:23 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonTroll | Jun 11 14:23 |
| _Hicham_ | those are all valid nicks for u | Jun 11 14:23 |
| _Mutex_ | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-311100.html - how is FOSS going to deal with being forced to stand by the quality and performance of their product ? | Jun 11 14:23 |
| _Hicham_ | and u always run in the background | Jun 11 14:23 |
| *DaemonXP puts WMV/WMA in a Matroska container | Jun 11 14:23 | |
| *DaemonXP wonders if they'll taste the difference | Jun 11 14:23 | |
| _Mutex_ | Seems the EC at least shars my view on software quality | Jun 11 14:23 |
| DaemonXP | I tried to encode to WMA Pro to check it out and it just crashes Winamp | Jun 11 14:24 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 14:24 |
| DaemonXP | so I ended up using Windows Media Encoder | Jun 11 14:24 |
| DaemonXP | what's funny is that most devices that can play WMA won't play Pro or Lossless | Jun 11 14:25 |
| DaemonXP | DON'TTouch the shiny surface where dirt, oil and fingerprints can leave residue. Do not lick. The disc is not flavored. | Jun 11 14:27 |
| DaemonXP | jesus | Jun 11 14:27 |
| DaemonXP | http://www.redbox.com/Help/Cleaning.aspx | Jun 11 14:27 |
| DaemonXP | yeah...... | Jun 11 14:27 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox 3.6 seems very promising | Jun 11 14:28 |
| *DaemonXP hires MinceR to lick off the fingerprints from someone's kids and dog hair and marijuana resin from his rental DVDs | Jun 11 14:28 | |
| *MinceR hires DaemonXP as his new sewage disposal facility | Jun 11 14:29 | |
| trmanco | Chrome(v3.0.188.0) Scored: | Jun 11 14:30 |
| trmanco | 1574 Points | Jun 11 14:30 |
| DaemonXP | had that job already if you mean taking someone's emotional shit | Jun 11 14:30 |
| DaemonXP | their verbal defecations | Jun 11 14:30 |
| trmanco | look at the difference, and it's not even close to done yet | Jun 11 14:30 |
| DaemonXP | Before you hedge those bets you placed against me, be reticent of fortunes they foretell. Your verbal defecation I can't wash away despite myself. Your vanity, it seems, has served you well | Jun 11 14:32 |
| MinceR | no, not emotional | Jun 11 14:32 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 14:32 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : which test is that? | Jun 11 14:32 |
| trmanco | peacekeeper | Jun 11 14:32 |
| _Mutex_ | licking fingerprints from someone kids !!!! what kind of chat room is this LOL | Jun 11 14:33 |
| trmanco | doing sunspider | Jun 11 14:33 |
| trmanco | Total: 1251.0ms +/- 3.7% | Jun 11 14:34 |
| trmanco | High Netbook Return Rate? Windows Is the Problem: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/06/high-netbook-return-rate-windo.html | Jun 11 14:56 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : firefox preview doesn't have the scrolling problem | Jun 11 15:23 |
| _Hicham_ | but it has problems with flash | Jun 11 15:24 |
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| mib_pfncj8 | so you advice not to use suse ? | Jun 11 15:28 |
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| _Hicham_ | MinceR : go ATI | Jun 11 15:57 |
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| Balrog | MinceR: laptop :( | Jun 11 15:57 |
| Balrog | if you want power, there's only nvidia | Jun 11 15:58 |
| Balrog | ATI is more foss friendly | Jun 11 15:58 |
| _Hicham_ | my old ATI card is working as a charm on Fedora 11 | Jun 11 15:58 |
| MinceR | i want AIGLX (compiz) to work with multiple monitors (and enough xinerama support to make the window manager aware of the borders of the monitors); also i want games to work | Jun 11 15:58 |
| MinceR | if that's possible with a FLOSS driver, all the better, but i've heard they're not there yet | Jun 11 15:59 |
| _Hicham_ | I played some games with ati open source driver | Jun 11 15:59 |
| _Hicham_ | like Postal2 | Jun 11 15:59 |
| MinceR | does it have a performance on the level of the windows driver? | Jun 11 16:00 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Jun 11 16:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I played some windows games too through wine | Jun 11 16:00 |
| _Hicham_ | MaxPayne was perfect | Jun 11 16:01 |
| MinceR | Balrog: please elaborate | Jun 11 16:01 |
| _Hicham_ | always with OpenSource ati driver | Jun 11 16:01 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: do you use aiglx/compositing with it? | Jun 11 16:01 |
| _Hicham_ | no aiglx | Jun 11 16:02 |
| Balrog | The nvidia cards for laptops are on average more powerful than the ATI ones | Jun 11 16:02 |
| _Hicham_ | direct rendering | Jun 11 16:02 |
| _Hicham_ | compiz always enabled | Jun 11 16:02 |
| Balrog | it's similar with desktops; benchmarks show that nvidia is somewhat more powerful than ATI (best cards) | Jun 11 16:02 |
| MinceR | Balrog: i'll look out for that then | Jun 11 16:03 |
| _Hicham_ | with proprietary drivers, yes | Jun 11 16:03 |
| Balrog | yes, exactly | Jun 11 16:03 |
| MinceR | (i only need to match my current 7900 gs though) | Jun 11 16:03 |
| Balrog | so it's a trade off | Jun 11 16:03 |
| Balrog | ahh ... ATI should do, unless you want cuda | Jun 11 16:03 |
| _Hicham_ | what is cuda? | Jun 11 16:03 |
| MinceR | i don't need cuda yet | Jun 11 16:03 |
| _Hicham_ | ok | Jun 11 16:04 |
| _Hicham_ | I played coldwar too | Jun 11 16:04 |
| _Hicham_ | penumbra overture and penumbra black plagu | Jun 11 16:04 |
| _Hicham_ | *plague | Jun 11 16:04 |
| _Hicham_ | all with open source ati | Jun 11 16:04 |
| _Hicham_ | KMS is also almost perfect | Jun 11 16:05 |
| _Hicham_ | no problem until now | Jun 11 16:05 |
| Balrog | _Hicham_: CUDA is the gpgpu system from nvidia | Jun 11 16:05 |
| Balrog | I'm looking forward to the mainstream release of OpenCL though | Jun 11 16:05 |
| _Hicham_ | I just googled about it Balrog, thanks | Jun 11 16:05 |
| Balrog | it will simplify things across the board, so you don't need to write nvidia or ati specific code | Jun 11 16:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Texan Christians, solving the really important problems: http://is.gd/YVfD | Jun 11 16:10 | |
| _Mutex_ | HA,, remind me never to go there ! | Jun 11 16:12 |
| MinceR | old news is old | Jun 11 16:13 |
| _Mutex_ | Its like people not eating Apples because they dont like a certain computer company | Jun 11 16:15 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: can you run multiple x servers (on different virtual consoles) with opengl support? | Jun 11 16:16 |
| _Hicham_ | haven't tried that | Jun 11 16:16 |
| _Hicham_ | but KMS is working for me | Jun 11 16:16 |
| _Mutex_ | I would say yes, | Jun 11 16:16 |
| MinceR | i'd expect nobody but me to try such a thing :) | Jun 11 16:16 |
| _Hicham_ | with no problem | Jun 11 16:17 |
| MinceR | does the blur plugin of compiz work? | Jun 11 16:17 |
| MinceR | it's nice to be able to collect information on the web, finding out which is out of date is the difficult part :) | Jun 11 16:17 |
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| MinceR | _Hicham_: what card do you have? | Jun 11 16:24 |
| Balrog | *I* have this nvidia geforce2 here | Jun 11 16:25 |
| Balrog | at home I have a 8600M :/ | Jun 11 16:25 |
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| DaemonXP | well, I'm officially freaked out | Jun 11 16:41 |
| DaemonXP | someone woke me up knocking on the door, then I get a call on my cell phone, but they don't leave a message | Jun 11 16:42 |
| DaemonXP | so I google the number and can't find anything except that it's a contact number for a husband-wife missionary team from a local church | Jun 11 16:43 |
| DaemonXP | but the PDF is from 2004 and I can't find anything else | Jun 11 16:43 |
| neighborlee | DaemonXP, people get such phone calls ALL the time..no drama no stress ;) | Jun 11 16:44 |
| neighborlee | DaemonXP, and who was at your door, santa ? ;) | Jun 11 16:44 |
| DaemonXP | Why can't people leave me alone? O [ay my rent I'm an atheist, I try not to get entagled in anyone elses problems | Jun 11 16:44 |
| DaemonXP | and I never double park | Jun 11 16:44 |
| DaemonXP | *I pay | Jun 11 16:45 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, but why do they have to call me? | Jun 11 16:45 |
| neighborlee | why not | Jun 11 16:45 |
| neighborlee | its their right | Jun 11 16:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ATI | Jun 11 16:45 |
| DaemonXP | I hate when people call me | Jun 11 16:45 |
| neighborlee | DaemonXP, ignore() | Jun 11 16:45 |
| schestowitz | It helps AMD and they at least try with source code now | Jun 11 16:45 |
| neighborlee | DaemonXP, its what the rest of us do..ignore() | Jun 11 16:45 |
| DaemonXP | and if they have to, they can leave a message if it's that damned important | Jun 11 16:45 |
| neighborlee | and they never do | Jun 11 16:46 |
| neighborlee | so its easy to ignore | Jun 11 16:46 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: sure, but how well does it work _now_ ? | Jun 11 16:46 |
| DaemonXP | you're right, if it was the landlord, he'd leave a snarling message chewing my ass out | Jun 11 16:46 |
| DaemonXP | so it can't be anything that bad | Jun 11 16:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: if you need 3D, then not so great, I think | Jun 11 16:47 |
| neighborlee | DaemonXP, lol ;) | Jun 11 16:47 |
| *schestowitz just got back from table tennis | Jun 11 16:47 | |
| neighborlee | DaemonXP, yeah not to worry ;) | Jun 11 16:47 |
| DaemonXP | I want to be a landlord someday so I can chew ass regarding a two dollar spike in the electric bill or if they took a 11 minute shower | Jun 11 16:47 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jun 11 16:47 |
| DaemonXP | and never the crack dealers, oh heavens no | Jun 11 16:48 |
| DaemonXP | the ones that pay rent and don't blast music | Jun 11 16:48 |
| neighborlee | I guess you missed your calling ;0- | Jun 11 16:48 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i do need 3d | Jun 11 16:48 |
| DaemonXP | that guy is bizarre, of course the last ones weren't a lot better, the landhags were why I moved | Jun 11 16:49 |
| DaemonXP | the last ones were the ones that chewed me out over showering for too long | Jun 11 16:49 |
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| DaemonXP | I told them I'd like to see how long they would shower if they came home from work black and covered in fiberglass | Jun 11 16:50 |
| DaemonXP | (this was several years ago) | Jun 11 16:50 |
| DaemonXP | they must have struck a nerve with their other tenants, cause 3 of us decided to skip the Friday rent and move out on the same weekend | Jun 11 16:52 |
| DaemonXP | it was pretty funny | Jun 11 16:52 |
| DaemonXP | nobody had planned it either, it just went down like that | Jun 11 16:52 |
| DaemonXP | hey, it makes moving furniture easier though | Jun 11 16:52 |
| DaemonXP | so they were trying to squeeze all of us for another rent hike and ended up dealing with an empty building it took several months to rent out | Jun 11 16:54 |
| DaemonXP | and somewhere along this string of abusive landlords, I got the idea "Jesus fuck, I wish I could be a bastard like that!" | Jun 11 16:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Firefox 3.6 Development Schedule : http://digg.com/d1tYJW?t | Jun 11 16:55 | |
| DaemonXP | now this landlord is in his 50's, very professional, suit, tie, divorced, two adult sons, and a picture of himself in leather on Manhunt | Jun 11 16:56 |
| DaemonXP | I'm wondering if a little blackmail may ever be in order | Jun 11 16:56 |
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| DaemonXP | The day something happens and I don't know about it, be afraid. | Jun 11 16:58 |
| DaemonXP | Trust God, trust DaemonXP. Anyone else, shoot 'em. | Jun 11 16:58 |
| neighborlee | DaemonXP, blackmail ,forget it..you shoudn't know about manhunt either LOL | Jun 11 16:59 |
| DaemonXP | yes, but I'm not trying to protect my reputation | Jun 11 16:59 |
| DaemonXP | nor am I the one with a ball gag | Jun 11 16:59 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 16:59 |
| neighborlee | DaemonXP, jk of course..but hey ;) | Jun 11 16:59 |
| neighborlee | ick | Jun 11 16:59 |
| DaemonXP | I know, it scared me | Jun 11 17:00 |
| neighborlee | whew | Jun 11 17:00 |
| DaemonXP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_(BDSM) | Jun 11 17:01 |
| *DaemonXP wonders if anyone realizes a potential employer might browse Wikipedia | Jun 11 17:01 | |
| DaemonXP | taking a picture of yourself in a ball gag and posting in on the most trafficked site on the internet may not be a good idea | Jun 11 17:02 |
| neighborlee | eek | Jun 11 17:02 |
| _Mutex_ | EU is going to make programmers liable for their code, ie if your apache web site is hacked, and its determined the code was not correctly designed, and the writer of that code is neglegent, he's be liable for the damages !!!. | Jun 11 17:03 |
| _Mutex_ | Like every other engineering disipline | Jun 11 17:03 |
| DaemonXP | oh nice | Jun 11 17:03 |
| DaemonXP | so that means when X takes a shit I can sue them? | Jun 11 17:03 |
| neighborlee | _Mutex_, woah nellie | Jun 11 17:03 |
| neighborlee | _Mutex_, from a engineering perspective it makes sense..heh..but eek ;)) | Jun 11 17:04 |
| DaemonXP | At $1 per crash I could be a millionaire from X alone | Jun 11 17:04 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 17:04 |
| neighborlee | ha | Jun 11 17:04 |
| _Mutex_ | It means if you create code that does not do as specified, you are liable for the damages incurred. | Jun 11 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | what is the meaning of DaemonFC? | Jun 11 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | is it a football club? | Jun 11 17:05 |
| _Mutex_ | If you design a building and it falls down without reason, and the corrorner determines the design was the fault the engineer who designed it is liable | Jun 11 17:05 |
| neighborlee | _Hicham_, I doubt its football related , but hey ;0 | Jun 11 17:05 |
| neighborlee | been wrong before... | Jun 11 17:05 |
| _Hicham_ | neighborlee : what is its meaning then? | Jun 11 17:06 |
| neighborlee | fedora core of course | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: your friend is arguing with me... | Jun 11 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | neighborlee : really? | Jun 11 17:06 |
| neighborlee | im guessing, but sure. | Jun 11 17:06 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Because I didn't like Apple fanboyism | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | MAsay:> I mean, I write an entire post (several, actually) promoting the Linux | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > desktop and you turn it into a Mac glorification piece. If you would | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > turn off the anger machine long enough to actually read what I (and | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > others) write, you might see it a bit differently. Your "advocacy" is | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > so blind and one-sided that it's not effective. Try being a bit more | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > balanced. Even remotely. You might find more people heed you then. | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Must be that Twit. Sorry, it was written in the heat of the moment. | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > I mean, I write an entire post (several, actually) promoting the Linux | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > desktop and you turn it into a Mac glorification piece. If you would | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > turn off the anger machine long enough to actually read what I (and | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > others) write, you might see it a bit differently. Your "advocacy" is | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > so blind and one-sided that it's not effective. Try being a bit more | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > > balanced. Even remotely. You might find more people heed you then. | Jun 11 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Must be that Twit. Sorry, it was written in the heat of the moment. | Jun 11 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | > They usually are. I do the same. But really, I'm not your enemy, and | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > > you seem determined to make me (and everyone else) such. It's not the | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > > most effective way to go.... | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I link to you a lot with praise. Maybe you never notice it. | Jun 11 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | where is that DaemonXP? | Jun 11 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | where are u troll? | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > Well, as humans, we rarely do notice the positive. I'll try harder. | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > > It's true I'm not very good at pointing out the positive. | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | 80% of the time (roughly) that I cite you it's positive. | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | You said: | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > > Your "advocacy" is so blind and one-sided that it's not effective. | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Try being a bit more balanced. Even remotely. | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | If we all said yes, yes, yes, where would the debate be? I agree that | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | the word "idiocy" was very impolite, impulsive. | Jun 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Disagreements are healthy. | Jun 11 17:07 |
| neighborlee | _Hicham_, lol | Jun 11 17:07 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jun 11 17:08 |
| _Hicham_ | idiocy is impolite | Jun 11 17:08 |
| neighborlee | I guess it depends on which side of argument your on LOL | Jun 11 17:08 |
| _Mutex_ | im always on the RIGHT side :) | Jun 11 17:08 |
| mib_wwtus1 | But you don't like all disagreements. | Jun 11 17:08 |
| _Hicham_ | _Mutex_ is entering the critical section | Jun 11 17:08 |
| *DaemonXP needs to shave with a machete or something | Jun 11 17:09 | |
| DaemonXP | this beard grows like switchgrass | Jun 11 17:09 |
| neighborlee | lol | Jun 11 17:09 |
| DaemonXP | I need to find a straight razor | Jun 11 17:11 |
| _Mutex_ | ahh , just pluck them out !! | Jun 11 17:11 |
| DaemonXP | I can destroy the blades on any disposable after one pass | Jun 11 17:11 |
| DaemonXP | uhhhm, ouch? | Jun 11 17:11 |
| trmanco | wow | Jun 11 17:11 |
| schestowitz | More Mac Malware http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25613/1151/ | Jun 11 17:14 |
| trmanco | heh | Jun 11 17:15 |
| trmanco | so much for that multi process browser approach of chrome | Jun 11 17:15 |
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| trmanco | I can't play html embed video, the browser crashes and all goes down with it | Jun 11 17:15 |
| _Mutex_ | if mac's have malware linux has to be next | Jun 11 17:16 |
| _Mutex_ | it is after all, basically the same thing. | Jun 11 17:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 11 17:17 |
| MinceR | crApple only wished it was | Jun 11 17:17 |
| _Mutex_ | ofcourse BSD is not linux, but its Unix-like and so is Linux | Jun 11 17:18 |
| MinceR | of course, given a stupid enough user, any computer can be infected | Jun 11 17:18 |
| MinceR | _Mutex_: osx lacks lots of security features most modern unixes have | Jun 11 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Flaws com from Quicktime and stuff | Jun 11 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Saf01r1 | Jun 11 17:19 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : use kitchen knife to shave | Jun 11 17:19 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, ur DaemonXP | Jun 11 17:19 |
| _Mutex_ | pluck em out with the steak tongs | Jun 11 17:19 |
| trmanco | [14525:14528:24477803739:FATAL:/build/buildd/chromium-browser-3.0.188.0~svn20090610r18068/build-tree/src/media/audio/linux/alsa_output.cc(93)] Check failed: channels_ == 2. Only 2-channel audio is supported right now. | Jun 11 17:20 |
| trmanco | Trace/breakpoint trap | Jun 11 17:20 |
| trmanco | heh | Jun 11 17:20 |
| trmanco | better file a bug | Jun 11 17:20 |
| MinceR | use a chainsaw :> | Jun 11 17:20 |
| schestowitz | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/stefanoforenza/~3/6uuKJe4TMUE/ | Jun 11 17:21 |
| _Mutex_ | or an egg whisp | Jun 11 17:21 |
| trmanco | works in FF | Jun 11 17:21 |
| *schestowitz uses a shaver | Jun 11 17:22 | |
| _Mutex_ | thats probably the best method :) | Jun 11 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Egg whisp? | Jun 11 17:23 |
| schestowitz | For whiskers? | Jun 11 17:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/funny-pictures-zomg-run-cat-woman-screams.jpg Meow! | Jun 11 17:24 |
| _Mutex_ | I didnt say it wasnt going to be messy !! | Jun 11 17:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: After the rain. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/7151.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/520753.html | Jun 11 17:25 | |
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| schestowitz | Cringely on the Intel buy: Atomic Warfare < http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/atomic-warfare/ > | Jun 11 17:26 |
| schestowitz | "And with Netbooks retailing under $400, compared to Microsoft Intel makes hardly any profit at all. So Microsoft has to die." | Jun 11 17:27 |
| _Mutex_ | Lots and lots and lots of small profit, is far better than a million times no profit | Jun 11 17:28 |
| DaemonXP | heh, of course Intel is throwing Microsoft overboard with cheap netbooks | Jun 11 17:28 |
| DaemonXP | the margin on a netbook is so low and the prices are so competitive, that $50 makes a difference | Jun 11 17:28 |
| _Mutex_ | people never buy on price alone. | Jun 11 17:29 |
| DaemonXP | of course they do | Jun 11 17:29 |
| _Mutex_ | if they did, everyone would use linux right | Jun 11 17:30 |
| DaemonXP | Walmart is proof of that | Jun 11 17:30 |
| _Mutex_ | If you buy a house you dont necessarly buy the cheapest house you can find in a bad area, you buy the best you can afford, that is just human nature. | Jun 11 17:31 |
| DaemonXP | well, $50-70 thorwn into the price of an Alienware rig is not really going to change your mind, as a matter of fact, those people will want Windows | Jun 11 17:31 |
| DaemonXP | because Linux can't run their games | Jun 11 17:31 |
| _Mutex_ | Something you have to understand if you are to become successful. | Jun 11 17:31 |
| DaemonXP | but when you talk about the mundane crap that any OS can do on a system with underpowered hardware | Jun 11 17:31 |
| _Mutex_ | DaemonXp you really think its that simple ? | Jun 11 17:31 |
| DaemonXP | well, Windows doesn't scale to that | Jun 11 17:31 |
| DaemonXP | sure I do | Jun 11 17:31 |
| _Mutex_ | thats very nieve | Jun 11 17:32 |
| DaemonXP | Tell a gamer what exactly, this is | Jun 11 17:32 |
| DaemonXP | http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5688/screenshotxdx.png | Jun 11 17:32 |
| DaemonXP | and why they should want to deal with it | Jun 11 17:32 |
| _Mutex_ | most people DONT play games, but they use software and hardware they PAID for, | Jun 11 17:32 |
| _Mutex_ | sure for a gamer its true, but the millions of offices and businesses in the world dont all sit around playing games on windows, basically a very small segment of people sometimes play games | Jun 11 17:33 |
| _Mutex_ | Becuase the software does what they want it to do. | Jun 11 17:33 |
| _Mutex_ | its just that simple | Jun 11 17:34 |
| schestowitz | "As the form of the scientific paper itself becomes more and more dynamic and individuals get recognized for their contributions regardless of the URL where that contribution happens, why not cite quality blog posts? Or quality comments on papers themselves?" http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2009/06/why_or_why_not_cite_blog_posts.php | Jun 11 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | "All new computers are required to wear condoms...." http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/06/all-new-computers-are-required-to-wear-condoms.html | Jun 11 17:40 |
| DaemonXP | Wine is capable of playing Oblivion, but you have to install it in Windows | Jun 11 17:40 |
| DaemonXP | and copy over the folders | Jun 11 17:40 |
| DaemonXP | otherwise SecuROM will crash the installer | Jun 11 17:41 |
| _Hicham_ | and crash u too | Jun 11 17:42 |
| DaemonXP | it detects Wine as a debugger | Jun 11 17:42 |
| DaemonXP | and crashes the installer to prevent an exploit | Jun 11 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Great land giveaway could be disaster for Amazon < http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17286-great-land-giveaway-could-be-disaster-for-amazon.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news > | Jun 11 17:44 |
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| _Mutex_ | I wonder if google is thinking that MS is pushing hard in the search market, because Google started to try to push into the OS market? | Jun 11 17:49 |
| schestowitz | AOL Buys Two Local Startups http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-aol-buys-two-local-news-startups/ | Jun 11 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Google can serve Apps for Android | Jun 11 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | It also has cash and engineers | Jun 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | So like eBay, they must do SOMETHING | Jun 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Not just maintenance | Jun 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Development too | Jun 11 17:50 |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonXP | Jun 11 17:50 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonAss | Jun 11 17:50 |
| _Mutex_ | yes, thats right, entering into other and new markets is what business do. | Jun 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.avaaz.org/en/peru_stop_violence/?cl=250319390&v=3461 | Jun 11 17:51 |
| _Mutex_ | Roy is your middle initial M ?? by any chance LOL | Jun 11 17:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 11 17:52 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, oh btw..is this code your using on your website something unique..or abundant throughout the internet ? ;) | Jun 11 17:56 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, afa relates to firefox beta having nasty issues | Jun 11 17:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Sony building an Android Linux Walkman: http://digg.com/d1tYf6?t | Jun 11 18:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] World of Warcraft in Fedora 11: http://is.gd/YZAj | Jun 11 18:00 | |
| _Mutex_ | INcluding all the addons ? | Jun 11 18:01 |
| schestowitz | _Mutex_: no, S | Jun 11 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Not Mathew | Jun 11 18:02 |
| DaemonXP | fuck it, I'm downloading the cracked version | Jun 11 18:02 |
| DaemonXP | I bought the game, they are interfering with my use of it | Jun 11 18:02 |
| _Mutex_ | at the higher levels WoW in unplayable without the addons, so that kinda puts a kibosh on it. | Jun 11 18:03 |
| _Mutex_ | WoW ? | Jun 11 18:03 |
| DaemonXP | no | Jun 11 18:04 |
| _Mutex_ | Cool game, havent played it in months | Jun 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Hm.. moody just linked to this: http://www.indiana.edu/~iascp/iasc%202011.pdf | Jun 11 18:04 |
| DaemonXP | IU? | Jun 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Na. | Jun 11 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | UOI | Jun 11 18:04 |
| DaemonXP | that's Indiana University's website | Jun 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Jun 11 18:05 |
| schestowitz | They made some headline re FOSS | Jun 11 18:05 |
| schestowitz | In the past 6 months | Jun 11 18:05 |
| DaemonXP | they mirror a lot of it | Jun 11 18:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Microsoft Money crapware canceled: http://digg.com/d1tYhL?t | Jun 11 18:05 | |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : did u finish college? | Jun 11 18:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Met police: six officers accused of torturing drug suspects < http://ping.fm/gVHdc > keyword *suspects* | Jun 11 18:05 | |
| DaemonXP | Microsoft Money is a joke | Jun 11 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://apcmag.com/dell-axes-its-mini-12-netbook.htm | Jun 11 18:06 |
| DaemonXP | they throw the Standard Edition in with new PCs usually | Jun 11 18:06 |
| _Mutex_ | Forget about MS money, no one uses it anyway | Jun 11 18:06 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonXP uses MS money | Jun 11 18:06 |
| _Mutex_ | so, sowhat if its crap | Jun 11 18:06 |
| _Hicham_ | to pay his internet connection | Jun 11 18:06 |
| _Mutex_ | DaemonXP << pays MS money | Jun 11 18:07 |
| _Hicham_ | he used to be a drifter | Jun 11 18:07 |
| _Hicham_ | until MS took care of him | Jun 11 18:07 |
| DaemonXP | Who said that? | Jun 11 18:07 |
| _Hicham_ | and gave him a home, and a computer | Jun 11 18:07 |
| _Hicham_ | equipped with the latest OS | Jun 11 18:07 |
| _Hicham_ | aka Vista | Jun 11 18:07 |
| _Mutex_ | ofcourse if you pay taxes, or have a bank account you all pay MS money | Jun 11 18:08 |
| _Hicham_ | but as he is ingrateful, he turned his ass to them | Jun 11 18:08 |
| _Hicham_ | and started playing with Linux | Jun 11 18:08 |
| _Hicham_ | but he was never satisfied | Jun 11 18:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5486318/Digital-Britain-One-week-to-save-the-creative-industries.html Digital Britain: One week to save the creative industries | Jun 11 18:08 |
| schestowitz | <_Hicham_> DaemonXP uses MS money | Jun 11 18:09 |
| schestowitz | there are other ways to read that :-) | Jun 11 18:09 |
| DaemonXP | actually my bank does this nifty thing | Jun 11 18:09 |
| DaemonXP | they balance my account in real time | Jun 11 18:09 |
| DaemonXP | on teh internetz | Jun 11 18:09 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 18:09 |
| _Hicham_ | his bank, aka MS bank | Jun 11 18:09 |
| schestowitz | He hasn't posted an obligatory promotional vista shot yet (today) | Jun 11 18:09 |
| _Hicham_ | he always does | Jun 11 18:10 |
| _Hicham_ | MS changed their strategy | Jun 11 18:10 |
| _Hicham_ | by employing advanced trolls | Jun 11 18:10 |
| _Mutex_ | ive had a bit of a play with MS money, i found it simple to use, (I find most software simple to use though), but it did keep its balance accurage with my real but unlinked account | Jun 11 18:11 |
| _Mutex_ | Ive been waiting for my MS paycheque for years :( | Jun 11 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Green Dam filtering software scorned by many Chinese http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/06/green-dam-filtering-software-scorned-by-many-chinese.html | Jun 11 18:12 |
| _Mutex_ | MS spend all their money on paid adds on the Linux Today web site !! | Jun 11 18:12 |
| _Mutex_ | always found that funny !! | Jun 11 18:12 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: at least we have no noise from that gutter site today | Jun 11 18:12 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : which site? | Jun 11 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well... and later they brag about revenue | Jun 11 18:13 |
| _Mutex_ | linsux | Jun 11 18:13 |
| schestowitz | High expenses for them with all he lies | Jun 11 18:13 |
| schestowitz | _Mutex_: yes | Jun 11 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Welsh learner denied entry to UK < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/8091191.stm > | Jun 11 18:14 |
| _Mutex_ | I tried that web site, its very poorly layed out, | Jun 11 18:14 |
| _Mutex_ | then again, i find BN a bit like that as well, sometimes | Jun 11 18:15 |
| _Mutex_ | so no biggie i guess | Jun 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfnblog.com/launches_closures/2009/06/chinese_language_newspaper_launched_in_b.php | Jun 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: the posts? | Jun 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | *_Mutex_: | Jun 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | China dominates NSA-backed coding contest < http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/060909-china-dominates-nsa-backed-coding.html?fsrc=netflash-rss > | Jun 11 18:18 |
| _Mutex_ | its jsut a bit busy, but thats due to the large amount of information you have presented | Jun 11 18:18 |
| _Mutex_ | cant be easily helped with so much info. | Jun 11 18:18 |
| _Mutex_ | grok is the same | Jun 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Afghan Ambassador Asks for a Lobbying Surge < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8407 >. The country is run by companies, using lobbysists | Jun 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | _Mutex_: yes, it's a mess | Jun 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | We're aware | Jun 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Which is why I need to spend a lot of time this summer | Jun 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | We'll make the Wiki (entry point) better | Jun 11 18:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FedEx Campaign Delivers Controversy < http://ping.fm/EMBRK >. Fight over bailouts... everyone wants to steal money from the public. | Jun 11 18:25 | |
| *DaemonXP is back in Vista long enough to salvage some data that it booby trapped | Jun 11 18:25 | |
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| trmanco | Microsoft desperate for browser marketshare-> http://news.softpedia.com/news/IE8-Bests-Firefox-Chrome-in-Nutritious-Value-per-Download-113903.shtml | Jun 11 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. I read this one as Comanche at first glance: http://lwn.net/Articles/334649/ | Jun 11 18:32 |
| Omar87 | Hey there, folks? | Jun 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's from MARIUS OIAGA. Enough said.. http://news.softpedia.com/editors/browse/marius-oiaga | Jun 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: hey, Omar87 | Jun 11 18:33 |
| DaemonXP | schestowitz: I posted that earlier | Jun 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | How goes it? | Jun 11 18:34 |
| DaemonXP | they're advertising it in Windows Live Messenger | Jun 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | IE8 can't win even when installing it as part of the OS | Jun 11 18:34 |
| trmanco | yeah, I can see | Jun 11 18:34 |
| DaemonXP | you should download it then delete it | Jun 11 18:34 |
| Omar87 | So, who exactly is that MrPsychopath moron again? | Jun 11 18:35 |
| DaemonXP | schestowitz: That was the fastest download ever | Jun 11 18:36 |
| DaemonXP | they're hosting it on some high bandwidth servers | Jun 11 18:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Did you read my comment on that stupid article by the Psychopath? | Jun 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary s/w can lead to suicide... http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/cloudy-circumstances-surround-lxlabs-suicide | Jun 11 18:36 |
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| DaemonXP | 18.5 MB in 2.7 seconds | Jun 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: some people who harass us | Jun 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | They are mostly jealous because they are tiny | Jun 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | And they hate Linux | Jun 11 18:37 |
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| DaemonXP | I need to reburn this disc properly and then I can ditch Vista | Jun 11 18:39 |
| _Mutex_ | how can you be jealous because you hate something ? | Jun 11 18:40 |
| DaemonXP | that's sneaky though, if you burn a bunch of discs with Vista's Explorer, you can have hundreds of corrupt discs and not know | Jun 11 18:40 |
| _Mutex_ | there's a vix for that DaemonXP, DONT DO IT !! | Jun 11 18:40 |
| _Mutex_ | fix* | Jun 11 18:40 |
| DaemonXP | well, it's not like it asks your permission to record them in such a way that not even Windows XP can read them | Jun 11 18:41 |
| _Mutex_ | no, you ask it permission to do it, he's a clue, use something else !! its just that simple. | Jun 11 18:42 |
| _Mutex_ | "Doctor it hurts when I put my fingers HERE", Doc - then dont put your finger there !!. next | Jun 11 18:42 |
| _Mutex_ | im not trying to be sarcastic Deamon but you had this problem yesterday, did you just keep doing it ? or did you learn and do something different that you know,,, works !!! | Jun 11 18:43 |
| DaemonXP | know, I'm extremely pissed and trying to salvage multiple discs worth of information that I never knew was corrupt | Jun 11 18:44 |
| DaemonXP | because obviously Vista can read it all | Jun 11 18:44 |
| DaemonXP | *no | Jun 11 18:44 |
| DaemonXP | gah | Jun 11 18:44 |
| DaemonXP | ImgBurn seems to write proper discs | Jun 11 18:44 |
| DaemonXP | just not Windows Explorer | Jun 11 18:44 |
| _Mutex_ | no nothing will read them, they are screwed, thow em away, download burn4free and you'll not have that problem again, | Jun 11 18:45 |
| _Mutex_ | and thats the last time ill mention it, if you persist in using MS burner, you deserve everything you get. | Jun 11 18:45 |
| DaemonXP | I'm not | Jun 11 18:45 |
| DaemonXP | I'm still trying to save the stuff I burned earlier | Jun 11 18:45 |
| DaemonXP | I pretty much just figured that dropping them onto the disc drive in Explorer would be fast and work OK | Jun 11 18:46 |
| DaemonXP | I don't even normally use that | Jun 11 18:46 |
| _Mutex_ | the correct procedure is "BURN - Test - Delete (if test passes) if test fails, repeat and rinse and try different burning SW | Jun 11 18:47 |
| DaemonXP | Vista doesn't let you test | Jun 11 18:47 |
| DaemonXP | it burns them as you drag and drop | Jun 11 18:47 |
| _Mutex_ | easy dont drag and drop them then | Jun 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Obviously burning a CD is a novel task | Jun 11 18:48 |
| DaemonXP | obviously Linux doesn't like those discs | Jun 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | So Mcirosoft might take a while to attain reliability there | Jun 11 18:48 |
| _Mutex_ | im sure it asks you first, "do you want to burn this CD",,, just say NO :) | Jun 11 18:48 |
| DaemonXP | and XP doesn't like *some* of them | Jun 11 18:48 |
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| DaemonXP | schestowitz: I'm sure it works fine on Vista and OS X | Jun 11 18:48 |
| trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzMyMQ | Jun 11 18:48 |
| DaemonXP | and that's really all they give a flying fuck about | Jun 11 18:48 |
| _Mutex_ | Its a non-issue, I had the same problem, I fixed it in 2 minutes, I never had teh problem again. | Jun 11 18:49 |
| _Goblin | hi all | Jun 11 18:49 |
| _Mutex_ | So you can whine all day about Windows burner, or you can take 2 minutes and fix your problem. its just that simple | Jun 11 18:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just got back from Bournemouth beach...my Twitter has taken a very different direction over the last few days! | Jun 11 18:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Native Multi-Touch Support On Linux: http://is.gd/Z1aK | Jun 11 18:50 | |
| DaemonXP | it's not two minutes | Jun 11 18:50 |
| DaemonXP | I have to dump everything to the hard disk and then re-burn it all with ImgBurn | Jun 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Buy you know, trmanco , MS and Apple claim they invented (invested in advertising) it | Jun 11 18:51 |
| _Mutex_ | it wont take very long to download andinstall burn4free honest | Jun 11 18:51 |
| DaemonXP | that's going to take a while | Jun 11 18:51 |
| _Mutex_ | http://www.burn4free.com/download-dvd-copy-software.htm | Jun 11 18:52 |
| DaemonXP | burn4free is trialware | Jun 11 18:52 |
| *DaemonXP does not use trialware | Jun 11 18:52 | |
| _Mutex_ | it does not expire | Jun 11 18:52 |
| _Mutex_ | ive had mine for years | Jun 11 18:52 |
| DaemonXP | and there's spam snd spyware all over that page | Jun 11 18:53 |
| DaemonXP | so you know | Jun 11 18:53 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, not going to install that | Jun 11 18:53 |
| _Mutex_ | its ok by me, I dont care, do what you like, you want to destroy cd's all day, GO FOR IT, | Jun 11 18:53 |
| DaemonXP | I know ImgBurn works | Jun 11 18:53 |
| _Mutex_ | but if you want to actually sort out the problem, and not just complain about MS then you can do that too | Jun 11 18:53 |
| DaemonXP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImgBurn | Jun 11 18:54 |
| DaemonXP | it works in Wine too | Jun 11 18:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @trmanco Native Multi-Touch Support On Linux: http://is.gd/Z1aK | Jun 11 18:55 | |
| DaemonXP | it says UDF 1.02 | Jun 11 18:56 |
| _Mutex_ | I was wondering how long that would take, after MS did it :) | Jun 11 18:56 |
| DaemonXP | if Linux can't figure that out, there's something wrong with Linux | Jun 11 18:56 |
| DaemonXP | Revision 1.02 (August 30, 1996). This format is used by DVD-Video discs. | Jun 11 18:57 |
| DaemonXP | I'd say if Linux can't figure that out, it's majorly fucked up | Jun 11 18:57 |
| _Mutex_ | you said the burn4free had lots of popups, ?? im on it i have none | Jun 11 18:57 |
| DaemonXP | their website does | Jun 11 18:58 |
| DaemonXP | dear god that was horrid | Jun 11 18:58 |
| _Mutex_ | ive got it open now, its clean for me !!! | Jun 11 18:58 |
| DaemonXP | it's not pop ups, they're using CSS elements and hovering them around | Jun 11 18:58 |
| DaemonXP | just a damned nuisance is all | Jun 11 18:59 |
| _Mutex_ | not even a warning bar saying its blocked pop-ups, you must be wide open !!! | Jun 11 18:59 |
| DaemonXP | closing the page fixes the problem ;) | Jun 11 18:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Did anyone notice that Microsoft uses sentimental blackmail to promote IE8? Shades of RED. | Jun 11 19:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The ODF Foundation has been using BNET to flog their stuff recently.. http://ping.fm/XokPN (Is There Life After Office?) | Jun 11 19:00 | |
| _Mutex_ | no i did not notice any IE8 promotions | Jun 11 19:01 |
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| Johnslax | Hi | Jun 11 19:04 |
| _Mutex_ | ahoyhoy | Jun 11 19:05 |
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| mib_7gom3k | holy moly. what's up with reddit lately? | Jun 11 19:10 |
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| mib_7gom3k | okay not just _lately_ | Jun 11 19:11 |
| mib_7gom3k | but these past couple of weeks have been pretty ridiculous | Jun 11 19:12 |
| Johnslax | What do mean? | Jun 11 19:12 |
| Johnslax | I missed a you :( | Jun 11 19:12 |
| mib_7gom3k | all the mono stuff | Jun 11 19:13 |
| mib_7gom3k | it's just getting pretty slimy. | Jun 11 19:13 |
| _Mutex_ | Ive heard GPL'd code called alot of things, but pretty slimy is a first :) | Jun 11 19:14 |
| balzac | Mono is like "the Flood" in Halo | Jun 11 19:14 |
| balzac | a contagious, mutated scourge | Jun 11 19:15 |
| MinceR | moral of DaemonXP's story: he should have used k3b. | Jun 11 19:15 |
| mib_7gom3k | i'm not talking about the code being slimy (although it may be). i mean the exchange of blows in the threads | Jun 11 19:15 |
| mib_7gom3k | hah | Jun 11 19:15 |
| balzac | Microsoft is like the Covenant | Jun 11 19:15 |
| balzac | and GNU is like earth and it's warriors | Jun 11 19:15 |
| balzac | And... I'm Master Chief! | Jun 11 19:16 |
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| Johnslax | Wouldn't RMS be Master Chief? | Jun 11 19:16 |
| balzac | I suppose so. | Jun 11 19:16 |
| balzac | Or maybe he's the top general | Jun 11 19:17 |
| Johnslax | I bet that's what he looks like understand the suit anyway. | Jun 11 19:17 |
| balzac | or top commander | Jun 11 19:17 |
| Johnslax | under* | Jun 11 19:17 |
| Johnslax | Damn, I can't write at all today | Jun 11 19:17 |
| balzac | Bill Gates is the Prophet of the Covenant | Jun 11 19:17 |
| balzac | Steve Ballmer is obviously a brute | Jun 11 19:17 |
| DaemonXP | it looks like Linux and XP can't use UDF 2.0 | Jun 11 19:17 |
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| DaemonXP | OS X, Vista, and NetBSD can | Jun 11 19:18 |
| DaemonXP | which would explain why Vista can use the discs it burns but Linux can't | Jun 11 19:18 |
| DaemonXP | Linux is not up to date with UDF support | Jun 11 19:18 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: OSX more or has a slightly altered FreeBSD | Jun 11 19:19 |
| DaemonXP | most commercial DVD writing software uses UDF 1.5 or 1.02 to maintain compatibility with Linux and XP | Jun 11 19:19 |
| DaemonXP | FreeBSD doesn't support it | Jun 11 19:19 |
| DaemonXP | NetBSD does | Jun 11 19:19 |
| Johnslax | Actually, it's more of the network stack and part of the userland wrapped around another kernel | Jun 11 19:19 |
| DaemonXP | that's pretty sad | Jun 11 19:20 |
| DaemonXP | Linux is 3 versions behind the UDF standard | Jun 11 19:20 |
| DaemonXP | Vista supports 2.0, 2.5, and 2.6 | Jun 11 19:20 |
| Johnslax | Linux will be the first to support USB 3.0 | Jun 11 19:20 |
| DaemonXP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format#Native_OS_support | Jun 11 19:20 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: well so long as ISO 9660 remains popular there is really no relevance for UDF yet | Jun 11 19:21 |
| DaemonXP | sure there is | Jun 11 19:21 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: seriously there are more important file systems to support then keeping up to date with UDF such as ZFS imo | Jun 11 19:21 |
| DaemonXP | seems like every OS but Linux and FreeBSD support a common packet writing method | Jun 11 19:21 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: but why totally support a standard that is only supported by the full head on DRM bunch? | Jun 11 19:22 |
| DaemonXP | cause UDF has nothing to do with DRM by itself | Jun 11 19:23 |
| balzac | DRM is doo-doo | Jun 11 19:23 |
| DaemonXP | SecuROM and Starforce and Mackerel-Vision all work with your beloved ISO9660 | Jun 11 19:24 |
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| Johnslax | I love DRM. | Jun 11 19:24 |
| DaemonXP | ;) | Jun 11 19:24 |
| _Mutex_ | DRM = doo doo ridden machine ? | Jun 11 19:24 |
| DaemonXP | that just sucks | Jun 11 19:24 |
| DaemonXP | Linux is stuck in 1997 | Jun 11 19:25 |
| DaemonXP | when it comes to disc authoring | Jun 11 19:25 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: but that is only if you opt for their standard, UDF can create a "revision" to which such "features" are built in | Jun 11 19:26 |
| DaemonXP | see, that's what I don't get | Jun 11 19:26 |
| DaemonXP | people blame Microsoft for not conforming to accepted standards | Jun 11 19:26 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: people can still boot up most OSs live from an ISO, so I don't see what the fuss is about rushing to update it, unless they really want the inclusion of something else | Jun 11 19:26 |
| DaemonXP | but when Linux arbitrarily refuses to support something | Jun 11 19:27 |
| DaemonXP | it's all OK suddenly | Jun 11 19:27 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: but who exactly "accepts" every revision of UDF? | Jun 11 19:27 |
| DaemonXP | because LINUX did it | Jun 11 19:27 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: it doesn't even work with every set-top DVD player as of now for crying out loud | Jun 11 19:27 |
| DaemonXP | DVD is frozen at 1.02 | Jun 11 19:28 |
| DaemonXP | just so you know | Jun 11 19:28 |
| DaemonXP | which was standardized in 1996 | Jun 11 19:28 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: if thats the case what compelling features do the latest v1.05 of UDF offer users? | Jun 11 19:28 |
| DaemonXP | the MP3 decoding standard was frozen in 1991, I don't see that putting a huge crimp on how useful it is | Jun 11 19:28 |
| DaemonXP | but obviously there's improvements to be made else there wouldn't be Vorbis or MP4 | Jun 11 19:29 |
| DaemonXP | should I start with what Linux doesn't support per Wikipedia? :) | Jun 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Johnslax: Novell is on Reddit | Jun 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the post where I exposed them? | Jun 11 19:30 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: btw I am looking at a chart provided by Wikipedia which states every Linux kernel beyond the standardized v2.4 works with the latest version of UDF except for those that have VAT | Jun 11 19:30 |
| Johnslax | schestowitz: No, I didn't. | Jun 11 19:30 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format#Native_OS_support | Jun 11 19:30 |
| _Mutex_ | most standards are frozen, thats what a standard is, yes they change, but usually by the creation of a new standard, MP3 is a standard, MP4 is another standard RS-232 is a standard, RS-485 is another standard. | Jun 11 19:30 |
| DaemonXP | right, which means it not only has incomplete support for 2.0 and 2.5, but you have to have 2.6.26 to get that much | Jun 11 19:31 |
| DaemonXP | which some distros won't meet that requirement for years | Jun 11 19:31 |
| _Mutex_ | Historically, trying to enforce unnatural standards on people generally fails. | Jun 11 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Johnslax: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/reddit-novell-employees/ | Jun 11 19:32 |
| DaemonXP | Looks like Sansa Clip supports Vorbis, but it's still a bad call | Jun 11 19:33 |
| DaemonXP | they're more than twice the cost of the MP3 playing View they're trying to kill off | Jun 11 19:33 |
| DaemonXP | with same amount of storage space | Jun 11 19:33 |
| Johnslax | Too bad Vorbis is dying | Jun 11 19:33 |
| DaemonXP | you can pick up an 8 gig View for $50 | Jun 11 19:33 |
| DaemonXP | the Clip 8 gig is $120 | Jun 11 19:33 |
| DaemonXP | about the only tangible improvement is a Vorbis codec | Jun 11 19:34 |
| DaemonXP | from what I can see | Jun 11 19:34 |
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| Johnslax | Has anyone tried the CLANG / LLVM compiler yet? | Jun 11 19:36 |
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| Johnslax | FreeBSD is moving to it, because they're pissed about GCC going GPL3 | Jun 11 19:37 |
| DaemonXP | FreeBSD is a good system | Jun 11 19:40 |
| DaemonXP | and no, they never have liked the GPL, but it has been tolerable until now | Jun 11 19:40 |
| DaemonXP | I pretty much agree with them | Jun 11 19:40 |
| MinceR | *bsd seems to be tolerated by the m$ religion | Jun 11 19:41 |
| mib_1rfmgf | Not surprising. Look at their license. You can't really get more free than that. | Jun 11 19:41 |
| Johnslax | They won't use newer versions of GCC for the compiling the base system I believe, they use GPL2 version at this point | Jun 11 19:41 |
| DaemonXP | it's not like GCC has been the best compiler anyway | Jun 11 19:41 |
| Johnslax | It's a pile of shit | Jun 11 19:41 |
| DaemonXP | so it's not like their ditching the best there's ever been | Jun 11 19:41 |
| MinceR | they're ditching the only one there's ever been :> | Jun 11 19:41 |
| MinceR | now it isn't the only one, of course | Jun 11 19:41 |
| DaemonXP | bullshit | Jun 11 19:41 |
| DaemonXP | I download and use the Intel compiler | Jun 11 19:42 |
| DaemonXP | that thing is greased lightning compared to the GCC turtle | Jun 11 19:42 |
| MinceR | so tell me how well it works on non-intel cpu-s, c++ and less common languages | Jun 11 19:42 |
| MinceR | and how free is it | Jun 11 19:42 |
| DaemonXP | works fine | Jun 11 19:42 |
| DaemonXP | I've used the Intel compiler on AMD systems too | Jun 11 19:42 |
| DaemonXP | it can optimize for Intel, Generic, or AMD64 | Jun 11 19:42 |
| MinceR | what about ARM and other RISC architectures? | Jun 11 19:43 |
| DaemonXP | despite the name | Jun 11 19:43 |
| DaemonXP | dunno, never used those | Jun 11 19:43 |
| DaemonXP | probably never will | Jun 11 19:43 |
| MinceR | yet you eagerly shout "bullshit" | Jun 11 19:43 |
| MinceR | i rest my case. | Jun 11 19:43 |
| DaemonXP | I'm just saying for real PCs, GCC is complete shit | Jun 11 19:43 |
| DaemonXP | but you can use whatever you want for those ARM toys | Jun 11 19:44 |
| mib_1rfmgf | ha! | Jun 11 19:44 |
| DaemonXP | I'm not stopping you :) | Jun 11 19:44 |
| mib_1rfmgf | gcc is complete shit | Jun 11 19:44 |
| Johnslax | Heh. Saying that Intel's compiler sucks because it doesn't support anything other than the x86 arch is like saying Linux sucks because Windows has all the programs. | Jun 11 19:44 |
| mib_1rfmgf | lol | Jun 11 19:44 |
| MinceR | also, when did intel's compiler appear | Jun 11 19:44 |
| DaemonXP | it does what I need it to | Jun 11 19:44 |
| DaemonXP | go use whatever you like | Jun 11 19:44 |
| Johnslax | GCC SUPPORTS EVERYTHING!!!! SO IT'S THE BEST! | Jun 11 19:44 |
| MinceR | Johnslax: congratulations, you've just failed reading comprehension | Jun 11 19:44 |
| MinceR | my point was that for many archs, gcc has been the only option for a long time. | Jun 11 19:45 |
| Johnslax | MinceR, yes, I'm quite good at that | Jun 11 19:45 |
| mib_1rfmgf | Johnslax: WINDOWS SUPPORTS EVERYTHING!!!! ---oh, I see what you're saying. | Jun 11 19:45 |
| MinceR | (at least as long as the OS needs to be FLOSS, which it does in this case) | Jun 11 19:45 |
| DaemonXP | well, if you are in the one hojillionth of a percent that doesn't use x86(-64) then good for you | Jun 11 19:45 |
| DaemonXP | go use whatever you can scrounge | Jun 11 19:45 |
| MinceR | (that's also the most likely reason freebsd used it) | Jun 11 19:45 |
| Johnslax | Who uses ARM linux currently? | Jun 11 19:45 |
| DaemonXP | FreeBSD is more free software than Linux is | Jun 11 19:46 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: well, if you are in the one hojillionth of a percent that doesn't use windows, then good for you | Jun 11 19:46 |
| DaemonXP | by virtue of less restrictive license | Jun 11 19:46 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Jun 11 19:46 |
| DaemonXP | and one that's not political | Jun 11 19:46 |
| mib_1rfmgf | DaemonXP +1 | Jun 11 19:46 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: spare us the *bsd gospel, please | Jun 11 19:46 |
| DaemonXP | so I shouldn't quote the GPL Preamble? | Jun 11 19:46 |
| MinceR | you should shut up | Jun 11 19:46 |
| DaemonXP | good, it makes me want to throw up a little in my mouth anyway | Jun 11 19:46 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 19:46 |
| Johnslax | Why should he spare us bsd gospel? | Jun 11 19:47 |
| MinceR | because it's boring bullshit | Jun 11 19:47 |
| DaemonXP | Linux will never be GPLv3 | Jun 11 19:47 |
| MinceR | and we've all heard it more than enough | Jun 11 19:47 |
| DaemonXP | it's just not going to happen | Jun 11 19:47 |
| DaemonXP | deal with it | Jun 11 19:47 |
| mib_1rfmgf | Johnslax: !Linux = bad | Jun 11 19:47 |
| DaemonXP | you don't own it | Jun 11 19:47 |
| schestowitz | via mail: "I first read this in the French news that the HADOPI law was overturned on Constitutional grounds (namely, that it's up to the judiciary to determine guilt or innocence and, failing that, there is a presumption of innocence). I found a link to the story in English: French anti-filesharing law overturned http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jun/10/france-hadopi-law-filesharing " | Jun 11 19:47 |
| MinceR | get a room you three trolls already | Jun 11 19:47 |
| Johnslax | FreeBSD is what you call truly free. | Jun 11 19:48 |
| Johnslax | The GPL3 is fairly evil in it's own right imo | Jun 11 19:48 |
| DaemonXP | off course there's Stallnix, errrrr, Gnewsense | Jun 11 19:48 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 19:48 |
| DaemonXP | go use that | Jun 11 19:48 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 19:48 |
| mib_1rfmgf | lol | Jun 11 19:48 |
| MinceR | homework: figure out why *bsd got left behind in development. | Jun 11 19:49 |
| DaemonXP | FreeBSD is thriving | Jun 11 19:49 |
| mib_1rfmgf | MinceR: BSD left behing in development? Surely, you jest. | Jun 11 19:49 |
| DaemonXP | doing better than it ever has actually | Jun 11 19:49 |
| Johnslax | Oooo, dem's fightin words | Jun 11 19:49 |
| DaemonXP | and thanks to not having a horrible political license, they can snag ZFS | Jun 11 19:49 |
| DaemonXP | and a bazillion other things | Jun 11 19:50 |
| MinceR | mib_1rfmgf: sorry, didn't mean to insult your religion. | Jun 11 19:50 |
| mib_1rfmgf | It's not my religion. Unlike the FSF advocates, software != religion to me | Jun 11 19:50 |
| Johnslax | It's a religion because he feels that you're wrong? | Jun 11 19:50 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: if you want to see a horrible political license in the case of ZFS, look no further than CDDL | Jun 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Hi, SirCane/Trojan/others | Jun 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Bye | Jun 11 19:50 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: guess why it was chosen. | Jun 11 19:50 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!i=18d36f1d@*.com/x-73a951c5d838b86f | Jun 11 19:50 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked mib_1rfmgf from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jun 11 19:50 | |
| DaemonXP | because it's the Mozilla License | Jun 11 19:50 |
| DaemonXP | renamed | Jun 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | It's him again | Jun 11 19:50 |
| DaemonXP | quit using Mozilla | Jun 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Using MIB to get past the ban | Jun 11 19:50 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: that's not a reason | Jun 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Same IP | Jun 11 19:51 |
| DaemonXP | no seriously, compare them | Jun 11 19:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: it's because sun is scared of linux to death. | Jun 11 19:51 |
| DaemonXP | if you feel that strongly against Solaris, then quit using Firefox | Jun 11 19:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: so they chose a license specifically so it won't be compatible with linux. | Jun 11 19:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: that isn't linux's fault. | Jun 11 19:51 |
| DaemonXP | no | Jun 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Now he'll rally his fellow trolls to come here | Jun 11 19:51 |
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| DaemonXP | CDDL is only incompatible because Stallman says so | Jun 11 19:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: also, CDDL is copyleft -- so if you have religious objections to GPL, you should have the same objections to CDDL | Jun 11 19:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: yet you don't, because you're full of shit. | Jun 11 19:52 |
| OneStep | Not sure why I just got kicked | Jun 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | You know well | Jun 11 19:52 |
| DaemonXP | CDDL doesn't have the virus clause | Jun 11 19:52 |
| DaemonXP | like GPL | Jun 11 19:52 |
| DaemonXP | so it's suitable for FreeBSD | Jun 11 19:52 |
| OneStep | Because I said something good about FreeBSD? | Jun 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | You're the Linxx dude who was banned before | Jun 11 19:52 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: OneStep is the same as mib_1rfmgf, try banning by username (*!?=18d36f1d@*) | Jun 11 19:52 |
| OneStep | Linxx? | Jun 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | No, because you're attacking our site | Jun 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | And then nyshift to escape the ban | Jun 11 19:52 |
| OneStep | I'm not attacking shit | Jun 11 19:52 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: banning mibbit generally isn't very effective... it either bans someone who really did want to get here, or it's just a matter of going to mibbit again and coming from a different server | Jun 11 19:53 |
| OneStep | Trust me when I say that I dont have the knowledge to attack any sites | Jun 11 19:53 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!i=18d36f1d@*.com/x-7f3374b322662364 | Jun 11 19:53 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked OneStep from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jun 11 19:53 | |
| DaemonXP | MinceR: All Stamman would have to do is wave his hand | Jun 11 19:53 |
| DaemonXP | and ZFS could be GPL compatible | Jun 11 19:53 |
| DaemonXP | and in Linux | Jun 11 19:53 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: agreed. I know | Jun 11 19:53 |
| Johnslax | Why should ZFS be in linux? | Jun 11 19:53 |
| DaemonXP | that's what is so bad about forming a cult around RMS | Jun 11 19:54 |
| DaemonXP | you start believing in him like he's the Messiah | Jun 11 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I didn't ban 'Sean' based on his affiliation, but based on behaviour | Jun 11 19:54 |
| Johnslax | I never understood why Linux users have always bitched and moaned about it not being GPL so Linux could use (steal) it | Jun 11 19:54 |
| schestowitz | And other people wanted him out too. He promotes modbombing against us and endorses slander | Jun 11 19:54 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | Johnslax: because it would make it a lot more compelling when it comes to being the right OS for database and servers. | Jun 11 19:54 |
| DaemonXP | GPL has set Linux back nearly as much as it has helped it | Jun 11 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Jun 11 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Troll. | Jun 11 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Opposite | Jun 11 19:54 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: that's what is so bad about forming a cult about m$ -- you believe such bullshit without critique. | Jun 11 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I guess that's why GPL is the most popular licence | Jun 11 19:55 |
| schestowitz | <ViperChief> "schestowitz No, because you're attacking our site" -- How about you show me some proof before accusing me of anything. I don't attack sites. Not only do I not know how, but I'm not that stupid. | Jun 11 19:55 |
| DaemonXP | because people are sheep | Jun 11 19:55 |
| DaemonXP | GPL is horrible | Jun 11 19:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: so, the answer to an earlier question was: *bsd is left behind because developers don't have to contribute their improvements, so they didn't | Jun 11 19:55 |
| DaemonXP | if anyone actually understood it, they'd ditch it | Jun 11 19:55 |
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| MinceR | DaemonXP: if _you_ understood it instead of eating ballmer's bullshit, you wouldn't spread such nonsense | Jun 11 19:56 |
| DaemonXP | FreeBSD is far from dead | Jun 11 19:56 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: if GPL is so horrible more open source developers would abandon it for MIT, Berkley or even CDDL | Jun 11 19:56 |
| DaemonXP | they regularly make improvements and new releases | Jun 11 19:56 |
| MinceR | sure it isn't dead | Jun 11 19:56 |
| Johnslax | Check out the new features for 8: http://ivoras.sharanet.org/freebsd/freebsd8.html | Jun 11 19:56 |
| MinceR | it's just left behind | Jun 11 19:56 |
| DaemonXP | and FSF uses BSD license for lots of things | Jun 11 19:56 |
| DaemonXP | including Ogg Vorbis | Jun 11 19:56 |
| Johnslax | MinceR: why's that? | Jun 11 19:56 |
| MinceR | and only a small cult of frustrated fanboys cares about it | Jun 11 19:56 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: its pretty simple all open source licensing are applied to software distribution by CHOICE. | Jun 11 19:57 |
| DaemonXP | because GPL isn't appropriate for it | Jun 11 19:57 |
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| MinceR | DaemonXP: not all sw needs the same licensing terms. | Jun 11 19:57 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonCrap | Jun 11 19:57 |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonShit | Jun 11 19:57 |
| DaemonXP | People slap the GPL on their stuff to look big and important and part of the group | Jun 11 19:57 |
| DaemonXP | or cause the FSF has lawyers | Jun 11 19:57 |
| DaemonXP | there's no good reason to use it | Jun 11 19:57 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC/XP/Vista/Shit is a great lawyer | Jun 11 19:58 |
| DaemonXP | you're just playing your work to the FSF's tune | Jun 11 19:58 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: no they slap it on to protect their content from SOBs that would take the code without licensing consideration and put it on a for profit product or service | Jun 11 19:58 |
| DaemonXP | so? | Jun 11 19:58 |
| DaemonXP | If I write a program and BSD license it | Jun 11 19:58 |
| DaemonXP | you have no right to tell me not to | Jun 11 19:59 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: its a legal tool which developers of the content can use to sue others if they take their content without permission or appropriate royalties. | Jun 11 19:59 |
| DaemonXP | I think people are mad cause FreeBSD can flourish without as many dedicated developers | Jun 11 19:59 |
| _Hicham_ | plus he is a good dev | Jun 11 19:59 |
| DaemonXP | cause Linux has to duplicate a lot to remain incompatible | Jun 11 19:59 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: people use GPL because they don't want to see their project embedded into some m$ or crApple crap | Jun 11 19:59 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: its standardized, simple and can apply to many different kinds of software. Software Developers need not be legal professionals so they utilize instead of going through the pains of writing their own | Jun 11 19:59 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: freebsd isn't flourishing | Jun 11 20:00 |
| DaemonXP | yes it is | Jun 11 20:00 |
| Johnslax | Again, MinceR, why is that? | Jun 11 20:00 |
| MinceR | Johnslax: you'll have to be more specific than that. | Jun 11 20:00 |
| Johnslax | Maybe you should elaborate on your comments a little more. | Jun 11 20:00 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | MinceR: sorry but I have to agree that FreeBSD is flourishing, for different reasons then Linux is though | Jun 11 20:00 |
| DaemonXP | when they stop making regular releases with tangible improvements, I'll agree | Jun 11 20:00 |
| DaemonXP | but that's in MinceR-world | Jun 11 20:00 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 20:00 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll direct my web browser at DaemonXP-world and download the newest freebsd release then. | Jun 11 20:01 |
| MinceR | and see if they've gotten ahead of the seventies already | Jun 11 20:01 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | DaemonXP: fact of the matter is though developers use the GPL to protect and successfully distribute content for academic purposes without worry about it being taken and patented | Jun 11 20:01 |
| MinceR | ditched that useless rc system and such | Jun 11 20:01 |
| DaemonXP | 8.0 emulates Linux system calls | Jun 11 20:01 |
| MinceR | wow, that makes it the second coming | Jun 11 20:01 |
| DaemonXP | so you can ditch Linux and not really have to give it another thought | Jun 11 20:01 |
| DaemonXP | *Linux 2.6 rather | Jun 11 20:01 |
| MinceR | look, i can emulate three linux system calls! | Jun 11 20:01 |
| DaemonXP | no | Jun 11 20:02 |
| DaemonXP | Linux has a lot of it's own crap | Jun 11 20:02 |
| DaemonXP | atop POSIX | Jun 11 20:02 |
| Johnslax | FreeBSD is very heavily developed. | Jun 11 20:02 |
| DaemonXP | it has moved more towards POSIX compliance than it used to | Jun 11 20:02 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | I seriously don't get all this Linux vs BSD hate | Jun 11 20:02 |
| DaemonXP | but just 2 years ago, Linux used its own threading library too | Jun 11 20:02 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | both are developed in the same way but are popular for different reasons | Jun 11 20:02 |
| MinceR | Carl_Rover2k12: it's perpetuated by the frustrated *bsd fanboys | Jun 11 20:02 |
| _Mutex_ | you gotta hate someone right :) | Jun 11 20:03 |
| Johnslax | It's used by many large companies and it maintains its spot as one of the most reliable OSes out there. | Jun 11 20:03 |
| MinceR | Carl_Rover2k12: and the ballmer cultists who believe anything under GPL must be the spawn of hell. | Jun 11 20:03 |
| DaemonXP | so a lot of Linux programs are not valid POSIX | Jun 11 20:03 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | MinceR: who is a BSD fanboy? | Jun 11 20:03 |
| MinceR | Carl_Rover2k12: i've met several of them | Jun 11 20:03 |
| DaemonXP | or are only distributed in binary form for Linux | Jun 11 20:03 |
| MinceR | most of them were obnoxious assholes. | Jun 11 20:03 |
| DaemonXP | and can't be ported | Jun 11 20:03 |
| DaemonXP | that's what the Linuxulator is for | Jun 11 20:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: nobody said it's going to be posix-only. | Jun 11 20:03 |
| _Mutex_ | well i know i am :) | Jun 11 20:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: also, posix leaves several things unspecified | Jun 11 20:03 |
| DaemonXP | right, Linux has to break standards | Jun 11 20:03 |
| DaemonXP | like Microsoft maybe? | Jun 11 20:03 |
| MinceR | such as what happens to the fd lists passed to select. | Jun 11 20:04 |
| DaemonXP | break standards, but publish HOW you broke them | Jun 11 20:04 |
| DaemonXP | to encourage people to follow you | Jun 11 20:04 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | MinceR: but there is no way BSD can threaten GPL or Linux for that matter, developers have a choice from application to application they develope | Jun 11 20:04 |
| DaemonXP | sounds familiar | Jun 11 20:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: it has to develop, step forward -- something *bsd doesn't do. | Jun 11 20:04 |
| Johnslax | MinceR: Why don't they do that? | Jun 11 20:04 |
| DaemonXP | Linux has broken and missing support for plenty of valid standards | Jun 11 20:04 |
| Johnslax | Show me something to back that statement up. | Jun 11 20:04 |
| DaemonXP | sometiems it has to mimic Windows and fuck the standard | Jun 11 20:04 |
| DaemonXP | just to get the PC to boot | Jun 11 20:05 |
| DaemonXP | Coreboot isn't going anywhere | Jun 11 20:05 |
| DaemonXP | so that won't save you | Jun 11 20:05 |
| _Mutex_ | BSD is OSX right, macs have about 10% market share, GPL is Linux right, they have somewhat less than 10% Ipso fatso BSD is more popular than linux !!!! :) | Jun 11 20:05 |
| DaemonXP | Linux has about 0.6% to 1% | Jun 11 20:06 |
| DaemonXP | depending on whos rounding error you look at | Jun 11 20:06 |
| _Mutex_ | thats why I said somewhat less, people take objection to actual numbers | Jun 11 20:06 |
| _Mutex_ | but I expect you're about right | Jun 11 20:06 |
| Johnslax | Parts of BSD are used all over the place. Saying that FreeBSD is dead is retarded. Even MS used parts of their network stack, it's components are used in many different projects for just about anything, because of the license. | Jun 11 20:06 |
| Johnslax | If you think it's dead, then read this: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=1682 | Jun 11 20:07 |
| DaemonXP | yes, they used FreeBSD's TCP/IP stack for a while | Jun 11 20:07 |
| _Mutex_ | used parts for their network stand, about a million years ago, but yes they did, paid for and correctly licensed | Jun 11 20:07 |
| DaemonXP | but it was gone by Windows 2000 | Jun 11 20:07 |
| DaemonXP | proven by the leaked source code from MainWin | Jun 11 20:07 |
| _Mutex_ | freely admitted by MS or BSD | Jun 11 20:08 |
| _Mutex_ | it was no secret | Jun 11 20:08 |
| DaemonXP | FreeBSD doesn't care | Jun 11 20:08 |
| DaemonXP | because they're not rabid | Jun 11 20:08 |
| Johnslax | They like freedom DeamonXP | Jun 11 20:08 |
| DaemonXP | they are happy that Apple took FreeBSD code | Jun 11 20:08 |
| _Mutex_ | exactly, thats why they licenses the TCP stack to MS | Jun 11 20:08 |
| DaemonXP | they even say that on their site | Jun 11 20:08 |
| Johnslax | Wait, what do you mean by license? | Jun 11 20:09 |
| DaemonXP | and Apple has given back | Jun 11 20:09 |
| DaemonXP | through Darwin | Jun 11 20:09 |
| DaemonXP | FreeBSD is free to incorporate Apple's patches | Jun 11 20:09 |
| _Mutex_ | its a major coup for them, and says alot for the flexability of the BSD license. | Jun 11 20:09 |
| DaemonXP | and does | Jun 11 20:09 |
| EDavidBurg | I sympathize with copyleft licenses (ie this is open source and you're not allowed to change that), but the GPL seems too entangling for me. | Jun 11 20:10 |
| _Mutex_ | Mac could have used GPL or BSD, but im sure they felt to restricted by the GPL, in alot of ways its a very restrictive license | Jun 11 20:10 |
| DaemonXP | Apple uses Apple Public Source License 2.0 | Jun 11 20:10 |
| _Mutex_ | many have found that same EDavid | Jun 11 20:10 |
| DaemonXP | which is still appropriate for FreeBSD to incorporate | Jun 11 20:10 |
| EDavidBurg | DaemonXP: largely, and also the BSD license | Jun 11 20:11 |
| DaemonXP | so patches flow both ways | Jun 11 20:11 |
| EDavidBurg | APSL is a FSF approved free software license | Jun 11 20:11 |
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| _Mutex_ | even google wont use GPL for its internal apps | Jun 11 20:11 |
| DaemonXP | it's not like Apple ever just ran off with a fork and decided to maintain it all by themselves | Jun 11 20:11 |
| DaemonXP | that would be pointless for the long term | Jun 11 20:11 |
| _Mutex_ | Even if the code was originally GPLd | Jun 11 20:11 |
| Nolikeyme | GPL is very entagling. It's very easy to get into trouble with it because there's a very specific definition of "free" | Jun 11 20:11 |
| DaemonXP | LGPL would be the closest I'd call to appropriate | Jun 11 20:12 |
| DaemonXP | as it isn't viral | Jun 11 20:12 |
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| _Mutex_ | yes, that is a restriction of the take up of GPL | Jun 11 20:12 |
| DaemonXP | LGPL just means that if you use that blob of code you have to submit your changes to that blob of code | Jun 11 20:13 |
| DaemonXP | not what you link it to | Jun 11 20:13 |
| DaemonXP | which can be proprietary | Jun 11 20:13 |
| DaemonXP | so it doesn't commandeer other peoples work | Jun 11 20:13 |
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| DaemonXP | the virus clause is the single most damning thing in the GPL | Jun 11 20:15 |
| BuntuBoy | Virus clause? | Jun 11 20:16 |
| _Mutex_ | as is the liability disclaimer | Jun 11 20:16 |
| BuntuBoy | But I love the GPL. | Jun 11 20:16 |
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| BuntuBoy | It's great for the end user. | Jun 11 20:16 |
| benjiman | lgpl also requires you publish at least the object code to allow re-linking which a lot of people ignore. | Jun 11 20:17 |
| _Mutex_ | its not designed to help the end user at all,. | Jun 11 20:17 |
| MinceR | DaemonXP: why don't you go and ask the OpenSSH guys how well the BSDL stuff turned out for them? | Jun 11 20:17 |
| _Mutex_ | if you are not a programmer, the GPL basically gives you nothing | Jun 11 20:17 |
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| BuntuBoy | Not necessarily, if you're serving the cause of the GPL. | Jun 11 20:17 |
| MinceR | _Mutex_: you can still hire a programmer to do any changes for you | Jun 11 20:17 |
| _Mutex_ | It gives you the right to look at and modify the code, if you dont know how to do that, that good is the ability to do it ? | Jun 11 20:17 |
| MinceR | _Mutex_: why didn't you read the rationale for GPL? :) | Jun 11 20:17 |
| benjiman | It gives you the freedom to get your support from any vendor, rather than the original creator having a monopoly. | Jun 11 20:18 |
| _Mutex_ | I know it, ive read it | Jun 11 20:18 |
| Nolikeyme | _Mutex_ +1 | Jun 11 20:18 |
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| DaemonXP | well, like LAME, LAME would never be used by anyone if it was GPL | Jun 11 20:18 |
| Johnslax | Hey again | Jun 11 20:18 |
| _Mutex_ | Ive read the "4" freedoms. | Jun 11 20:18 |
| _Mutex_ | allthough freedom 0 does not exist IMHO. | Jun 11 20:18 |
| BuntuBoy | I love the four freedoms, especially freedom 0 | Jun 11 20:18 |
| DaemonXP | cause every media player that uses lame_enc.dll would have to be GPL as well | Jun 11 20:18 |
| DaemonXP | Stallman knows the GPL would make Vorbis useless | Jun 11 20:18 |
| DaemonXP | so it's BSD licensed | Jun 11 20:18 |
| BuntuBoy | How would that make Vorbis useless?! | Jun 11 20:19 |
| _Mutex_ | and google use Apache 2.0 | Jun 11 20:19 |
| BuntuBoy | But that doesn't necessarily make the GPL a bad license based on who's using it. | Jun 11 20:19 |
| DaemonXP | cause if I wanted to make a proprietary media player link to Vorbis, I'd have to make my player GPL if Vorbis was | Jun 11 20:19 |
| DaemonXP | so I'd probably jsut not include Vorbis | Jun 11 20:19 |
| DaemonXP | that's why Vorbis is BSD | Jun 11 20:19 |
| DaemonXP | not GPL | Jun 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | OK, this is stupid: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-11-021-35-OS-CY-0001 This guy is accusing all opposition of Mono, attributing it to "cult of Roy Schestowitz" | Jun 11 20:20 |
| BuntuBoy | Yeah, Mono is bad! | Jun 11 20:20 |
| BuntuBoy | It's such an evil programming language! | Jun 11 20:20 |
| BuntuBoy | With M$ and their evil monopoly! | Jun 11 20:20 |
| balzac | lol | Jun 11 20:20 |
| BuntuBoy | They really have a death grip on the tech industry. | Jun 11 20:20 |
| MinceR | mono is a programming language? | Jun 11 20:20 |
| _Mutex_ | I see Mono as GPL'd code no more no less, if GPL code can be evil, that is a problem with GPL not the code. | Jun 11 20:21 |
| BuntuBoy | It's evil thanks to the EMCA! | Jun 11 20:21 |
| BuntuBoy | And Micro$oft! | Jun 11 20:21 |
| DaemonXP | * The anti-Mono people have nothing to say when the GNU implementation of the same standards is mentioned, Portable.NET. They have a C# compiler and a runtime system with JIT, much like Mono, though the project isn't as active as de Icaza's runtime system. | Jun 11 20:21 |
| _Mutex_ | Its a framework for the .NET and c# | Jun 11 20:21 |
| DaemonXP | think I mentioned dotGNU | Jun 11 20:21 |
| DaemonXP | what is the official line of schestowitz for that? | Jun 11 20:21 |
| BuntuBoy | Don't you make fun of Roy! | Jun 11 20:21 |
| _Mutex_ | It allows .NET developers to develop on Linux for Linux OR Windows, | Jun 11 20:21 |
| BuntuBoy | He's a good writer that stands for something! | Jun 11 20:22 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: that's why the GPL was updated recently. | Jun 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Mono is not a P/L | Jun 11 20:22 |
| _Mutex_ | It's no different to WINE, it interfaces with common damain API's and has been written by MS to not be patent encoumbered | Jun 11 20:22 |
| BuntuBoy | It's MS-PL | Jun 11 20:22 |
| balzac | GPLv2 is more vulnerable to patent threats than GPLv3 | Jun 11 20:22 |
| Johnslax | The recent GPL update is takin' my freedomz aways! | Jun 11 20:22 |
| _Mutex_ | Mono is GPLv2 | Jun 11 20:22 |
| BuntuBoy | It is?! | Jun 11 20:22 |
| balzac | BuntuBoy: hilarious nick | Jun 11 20:22 |
| BuntuBoy | But I thought it was bad. | Jun 11 20:22 |
| BuntuBoy | balzac: Thank you? | Jun 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Here is the context anyway: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-11-021-35-OS-CY | Jun 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | There's a ~60 comment discussion there about it | Jun 11 20:23 |
| balzac | It seems like Roy's most persistent followers are his detractors. | Jun 11 20:23 |
| BuntuBoy | I prefer Python to any .NET-based garbage. | Jun 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Mono just happens to go hand in hand with C#, MS VS, .NET, Windows, etc. | Jun 11 20:23 |
| benjiman | You can run python on .net, don't worry. | Jun 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | It's the EEE to Microsoft | Jun 11 20:24 |
| BuntuBoy | I don't want to! | Jun 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Patents aside | Jun 11 20:24 |
| _Mutex_ | I cant understand what the issue with Mono is, if you dont like it uninstall it, but its GPL'd code so there is no risk to users, | Jun 11 20:24 |
| BuntuBoy | Python on .NET defeats the point of using Python for FOSS coding. | Jun 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | True | Jun 11 20:24 |
| _Mutex_ | If you dont like Mono, you really dont like GPL !! | Jun 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | But if it's there by default, then... | Jun 11 20:24 |
| BuntuBoy | What?! | Jun 11 20:24 |
| Johnslax | Maybe we should move to china. It's a pretty awesome country, they don't believe in patents, so we don't have to worry! | Jun 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | The situation where you burn it into CDs creates liability | Jun 11 20:24 |
| DaemonXP | _Mutex_: If not for Wine, even fewer people would use Linux | Jun 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | It also makes people habitually dependent on it | Jun 11 20:25 |
| BuntuBoy | Johnslax: but China's using FreeBSD | Jun 11 20:25 |
| DaemonXP | hate to break that to you | Jun 11 20:25 |
| BuntuBoy | FreeBSD is dead. | Jun 11 20:25 |
| BuntuBoy | So by transitive property, China is dead. | Jun 11 20:25 |
| _Mutex_ | DaemonXP yes thats true. | Jun 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Its goal is to push Linux developers to .NET, VS and other such wares and then neglect PHP, Python, Java etc | Jun 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Who controls .NET? | Jun 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | Jun 11 20:25 |
| BuntuBoy | Micro$osft, rather! | Jun 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | That's the EEE (embrace...) | Jun 11 20:25 |
| balzac | Roy, you're getting their gourds man. | Jun 11 20:25 |
| DaemonXP | Wine is useful in that it allows you to move a lot of your existing Windows software to Linux | Jun 11 20:25 |
| Nolikeyme | What do most programs run on? Microsoft. | Jun 11 20:25 |
| DaemonXP | without that, Linux would be an even tougher sell to someone using Windows | Jun 11 20:26 |
| Johnslax | Micro$theft | Jun 11 20:26 |
| BuntuBoy | What do most good software run on? GNU. | Jun 11 20:26 |
| balzac | The constant presence of opposition here in #boycottnovell is good. | Jun 11 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | Wine is for existing apps | Jun 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Not for development | Jun 11 20:26 |
| BuntuBoy | Wine is horrible, too. | Jun 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Like fostering a child versus concewption | Jun 11 20:26 |
| BuntuBoy | Them and ReactOS really get my goat. | Jun 11 20:26 |
| _Mutex_ | jsut out of interest, what COULD MS do that would not be considered evil ?,, i sometimes wonder :) | Jun 11 20:26 |
| balzac | It means they're more afraid of leaving you un-opposed than of opposing you. | Jun 11 20:26 |
| BuntuBoy | They could die. | Jun 11 20:27 |
| DaemonXP | schestowitz: Tell that to EA | Jun 11 20:27 |
| balzac | but their opposition makes attention | Jun 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | balzac: not when it turns vulgare | Jun 11 20:27 |
| BuntuBoy | The whole company could burn to the ground. | Jun 11 20:27 |
| DaemonXP | that's their official Linux port | Jun 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | *gar | Jun 11 20:27 |
| balzac | yeah | Jun 11 20:27 |
| DaemonXP | compiling it againt Cedega | Jun 11 20:27 |
| Nolikeyme | The good thing about Mono is that .Net programs can run better on Linux. If Linux is ever going to work on the desktop, people have to be able to run the programs they want | Jun 11 20:27 |
| balzac | you have to throw the vulgarians out | Jun 11 20:27 |
| Nolikeyme | and .Net is growing | Jun 11 20:27 |
| DaemonXP | *against | Jun 11 20:27 |
| _Mutex_ | then were would OSs get their IDEA's from ?? LOL | Jun 11 20:27 |
| BuntuBoy | Nolikeyme: Growing like cancer? | Jun 11 20:27 |
| Nolikeyme | I'm not a big fan of .Net, but...I'm also a realist. | Jun 11 20:27 |
| BuntuBoy | .NET is cancer. | Jun 11 20:27 |
| balzac | but you've got a few opponents who seem capable of not crapping on the carpet, which is good, imo. | Jun 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Nolikeyme was banned | Jun 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | But he's being more polite now | Jun 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | it's "Trojan"/"SirCane" | Jun 11 20:28 |
| Nolikeyme | schestowitz: When was I being rude? Seriously, because if I was, I didn't mean to be. | Jun 11 20:28 |
| balzac | one or the other? | Jun 11 20:28 |
| Nolikeyme | And, no, I'm not Trojan or Sir Sane | Jun 11 20:28 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: Trojan, SirSane and ViperChief are 3 different people, btw | Jun 11 20:28 |
| BuntuBoy | Liar! | Jun 11 20:28 |
| balzac | Those guys clowned themselves | Jun 11 20:28 |
| BuntuBoy | Go back to your FUD host! | Jun 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: OK | Jun 11 20:28 |
| balzac | BuntuBoy: I'm doubting you're seriousness. | Jun 11 20:28 |
| Nolikeyme | We clowned ourselves? Weird. | Jun 11 20:28 |
| Johnslax | so confused! | Jun 11 20:28 |
| Nolikeyme | lol | Jun 11 20:28 |
| BuntuBoy | I don't understand. | Jun 11 20:29 |
| balzac | Too many exclamation marks. | Jun 11 20:29 |
| schestowitz | There are other nyms in fsdaily | Jun 11 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Wasting time there of admins and readers | Jun 11 20:29 |
| schestowitz | FSdaaily was never quite trahsed before | Jun 11 20:29 |
| balzac | you're satirizing an Ubuntu 'fanboy' | Jun 11 20:29 |
| BuntuBoy | No... | Jun 11 20:29 |
| Nolikeyme | But, seriously, folks. I don't like .Net, I'm not a big fan of Mono, but I also look at things from a realist perspective. | Jun 11 20:29 |
| balzac | 19:44 < BuntuBoy> Liar! | Jun 11 20:29 |
| BuntuBoy | I've been using it since Hoary. | Jun 11 20:29 |
| BuntuBoy | I remove Mono by default. | Jun 11 20:30 |
| balzac | you're flippant | Jun 11 20:30 |
| BuntuBoy | I just like the ease-of-use. | Jun 11 20:30 |
| balzac | and unserious | Jun 11 20:30 |
| balzac | 19:43 < BuntuBoy> The whole company could burn to the ground. | Jun 11 20:30 |
| BuntuBoy | They should! | Jun 11 20:30 |
| BuntuBoy | Microsoft does terrible things to the FOSS community. | Jun 11 20:30 |
| balzac | I think you're trying to make Ubuntu look bad | Jun 11 20:30 |
| Nolikeyme | And for Linux to be on the desktop and adopted by regular people, who wants to use their programs, Mono is a step towards being able to use programs across both platforms | Jun 11 20:30 |
| balzac | I don't think you're trying to share "Ubuntu" | Jun 11 20:30 |
| BuntuBoy | Whatever, man. You're free to think what you want. | Jun 11 20:30 |
| Johnslax | Ubuntu needs help with that balzac? | Jun 11 20:30 |
| EDavidBurg | balzac: i dunno, if you've ever gone on UF... there are some pretty bad fanboys | Jun 11 20:31 |
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| EDavidBurg | uf = ubuntuforums.org | Jun 11 20:31 |
| balzac | Johnslax: apparently, because "BuntuBoy" thinks they need to made to look foolish. | Jun 11 20:31 |
| BuntuBoy | They've always been pretty nice guys over there. | Jun 11 20:31 |
| Nolikeyme | Things can't always be how we want them. Sometimes the ends justifies the means. | Jun 11 20:31 |
| balzac | EDavidBurg: sure, but I don't think "BuntuBoy" is real. | Jun 11 20:31 |
| BuntuBoy | How can I prove otherwise? | Jun 11 20:32 |
| Johnslax | I think he is. He's right here talking to me. | Jun 11 20:32 |
| BuntuBoy | I can show you my profile with numerous pro-FOSS posts. | Jun 11 20:32 |
| balzac | Try more subtlety in your acting. | Jun 11 20:32 |
| _Mutex_ | if he's not real what is he ? | Jun 11 20:32 |
| Nolikeyme | _Mutex_ virtual? | Jun 11 20:32 |
| Johnslax | a microsoft ghost? | Jun 11 20:32 |
| _Mutex_ | unreal ?? LOL | Jun 11 20:32 |
| BuntuBoy | http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=506291 | Jun 11 20:32 |
| _Mutex_ | surreal | Jun 11 20:32 |
| BuntuBoy | That's me. | Jun 11 20:32 |
| balzac | A guy pretending to be an Ubuntu advocate. | Jun 11 20:32 |
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| BuntuBoy | I really love Ubuntu. | Jun 11 20:33 |
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| BuntuBoy | I think it does a lot of great things for FOSs. | Jun 11 20:33 |
| balzac | a classic agent provocateur | Jun 11 20:33 |
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| BuntuBoy | What's that? | Jun 11 20:33 |
| _Mutex_ | its a french word mean you like to provoke people, (i know because im one :)) | Jun 11 20:34 |
| balzac | lots of trolls who are opposed to software freedom are pretending to be advocates | Jun 11 20:34 |
| BuntuBoy | That's weird. | Jun 11 20:34 |
| balzac | It's asinine | Jun 11 20:34 |
| Nolikeyme | Can we get back on topic? | Jun 11 20:34 |
| EDavidBurg | BuntuBoy: say "I've used Ubuntu since Hoary" in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1184732&page=2 | Jun 11 20:34 |
| balzac | Nolikeyme: you don't set the topic. | Jun 11 20:34 |
| balzac | Too many guests here are eager to throw their weight around. | Jun 11 20:35 |
| balzac | But you're guests here. | Jun 11 20:35 |
| Nolikeyme | I'm not throwing my weight. | Jun 11 20:35 |
| balzac | Nolikeyme: asking to get back on topic was out of line. | Jun 11 20:35 |
| Nolikeyme | I was interested in the Mono/.net stuff that was being discussed | Jun 11 20:35 |
| balzac | The topic is you. | Jun 11 20:35 |
| Nolikeyme | balzac: how was it out of line? | Jun 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | "Moblin drives me crazy, because I can't find any of the things that I am used to working with, and I can't find anything that I am accustomed to doing as a system administrator. UNR looks much more "Linux-Like" to me, I recognize what everything is and where it came from, and I can find my way around and work with it without too much trouble." http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10012930o-2000498448b,00.htm | Jun 11 20:36 |
| BuntuBoy | I read Roy's recent article about how the community in Ubuntu is against removing mono. | Jun 11 20:36 |
| _Mutex_ | I actually dont think there are many people that are opposed to software freedom, you'll more people react again the attitude displayed by a large percentage of the FOSS community. | Jun 11 20:36 |
| BuntuBoy | Just terrible. | Jun 11 20:36 |
| balzac | Nolikeyme: you don't define what is on or off topic. | Jun 11 20:36 |
| Nolikeyme | Wow. I'm sorry. | Jun 11 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | OK, what is this? Kindergarten? | Jun 11 20:37 |
| Johnslax | Donkeypuke?...... | Jun 11 20:37 |
| BuntuBoy | I hope not. | Jun 11 20:37 |
| Johnslax | Who does then, balzac? | Jun 11 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I think some people come here just to point to it later and say "look at the BN people, they are vulgar" | Jun 11 20:37 |
| donkeypuke | actually, the nick is a long story. not meant to be offensive | Jun 11 20:37 |
| BuntuBoy | Johnslax: Obviously the admins, duh. | Jun 11 20:37 |
| schestowitz | And many come from the same place... linxxxxx | Jun 11 20:37 |
| Nolikeyme | I didn't realize that it was so strictly governed in here. I just saw someone talk about Mono/.Net and it interested me. | Jun 11 20:38 |
| balzac | i'm not an op | Jun 11 20:38 |
| Johnslax | Does Balzac have sttaff privs? | Jun 11 20:38 |
| _Goblin | Roy: Agreed. | Jun 11 20:38 |
| balzac | i have no authority | Jun 11 20:38 |
| MinceR | nothing is strictly governed here. isn't that obvious? :) | Jun 11 20:38 |
| BuntuBoy | ? | Jun 11 20:38 |
| _Goblin | the Linxxx.xxx site I believe it aimed to frighten off new and enthusiastic users of a distro which is sucking away MS customers.. | Jun 11 20:38 |
| Nolikeyme | MinceR: lol Well, it just kind of took me aback when I wanted to get back on topic, and was "attacked" like that. Not really, attacked, but I can't think of a better term. | Jun 11 20:38 |
| BuntuBoy | I assumed balzac was a chan op, he speaks with authority. | Jun 11 20:38 |
| balzac | not even a contributor to BN, only a commentor | Jun 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | Nolikeyme: you're evading bans -- on most channels that would get you banned instantly. | Jun 11 20:39 |
| BuntuBoy | MinceR: how so? | Jun 11 20:39 |
| balzac | BuntuBoy: I know how to address trolls | Jun 11 20:39 |
| Nolikeyme | balzac: from what I can see, Mr. Schestowitz runs this, not you. | Jun 11 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Linus associates himself with conspiracy nuts now: http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/06/10/torvalds-proclaims-new-world-order-linux-2-6-30 (Torvalds proclaims 'new world order' with Linux 2.6.30) | Jun 11 20:39 |
| balzac | Nolikeyme: true. | Jun 11 20:39 |
| _Goblin | I think the Linxxx.xxx site would be dangerous if the people running it had any sense... | Jun 11 20:39 |
| BuntuBoy | What's Linxxx.xxx? | Jun 11 20:40 |
| _Goblin | it seems now they are fixated with BN, probably because they see it as a way to get hits.... | Jun 11 20:40 |
| *schestowitz reckons if he opped MinceR the channel's population will be halved in one minute | Jun 11 20:40 | |
| Nolikeyme | and all I wanted to do was get away from the "is he fake" or not because I thought the Mono discussion was better and more suited, since it's a thing about the MS/Novell/Linux thing | Jun 11 20:40 |
| Johnslax | There's no such thing as a .xx domain, is there? | Jun 11 20:40 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that's likely. | Jun 11 20:40 |
| BuntuBoy | I didn't think so. | Jun 11 20:40 |
| MinceR | well, not in one minute | Jun 11 20:40 |
| _Mutex_ | yes, the great conspiracy of the OS suspend and resume, how'd they every get away with that !!! | Jun 11 20:40 |
| Johnslax | nolikeyme: the paranoia is pretty bad here | Jun 11 20:40 |
| EDavidBurg | Johnslax: they were considering making .xxx be for porn sites, but that never happened | Jun 11 20:40 |
| MinceR | i wait and watch for more than that. | Jun 11 20:41 |
| _Goblin | buntuboy: linxxx.xxx is a site run by children which serves no purpose. | Jun 11 20:41 |
| EDavidBurg | _Goblin: it doesn't resolve | Jun 11 20:41 |
| Nolikeyme | I saw that earlier (the Torvalds thing) and thought it was a little weird. I never did get around to reading it though. | Jun 11 20:41 |
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| Johnslax | I can't find anything on google related to linxxx.xxx | Jun 11 20:41 |
| BuntuBoy | Like, a site with bad design that advocates linux? | Jun 11 20:41 |
| Johnslax | what is it? | Jun 11 20:41 |
| _Goblin | oh well... | Jun 11 20:41 |
| Johnslax | a program? | Jun 11 20:41 |
| BuntuBoy | I mean, there's tons of Linux advocacy sites already. | Jun 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Linus is being funny | Jun 11 20:41 |
| Nolikeyme | Oh okay | Jun 11 20:41 |
| _Goblin | no buntuboy, bad design has nothing to do with it. | Jun 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | But the whole "I a your God" thing was too far | Jun 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | He could get the Dawkins arrogance complex | Jun 11 20:42 |
| Nolikeyme | He said that in there? | Jun 11 20:42 |
| _Goblin | content is the matter at hand and the Linxxx.xxx has nothing of worth... | Jun 11 20:42 |
| donkeypuke | linus *is* arrogant. that's part of the charm. | Jun 11 20:42 |
| _Mutex_ | no he said that in a conference | Jun 11 20:42 |
| Nolikeyme | I can see how he would get that. Linux has turned into a massive thing, thanks to him. | Jun 11 20:42 |
| _Mutex_ | he's dutch | Jun 11 20:42 |
| Johnslax | Goblin: I wanna see | Jun 11 20:42 |
| EDavidBurg | _Goblin: why do you x it out? | Jun 11 20:42 |
| EDavidBurg | linsux.org is what he's referring to, btw... | Jun 11 20:43 |
| _Goblin | because since it tries to use BN to gain readers, I wont help that cause. | Jun 11 20:43 |
| schestowitz | The Adobe AIR File API < http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7365/ >. How proprietary is AIR? | Jun 11 20:43 |
| Johnslax | Thanks edavid | Jun 11 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I stopped using AIR | Jun 11 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Oxygen is good though | Jun 11 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Even on KDE3 | Jun 11 20:43 |
| Johnslax | wtf | Jun 11 20:43 |
| Nolikeyme | Well, Adobe has been pretty good on the proprietary market. | Jun 11 20:44 |
| EDavidBurg | _Goblin: linsux has never really been concerned with gaining readership, it's pretty much 15 guys lol'ing at the world and cursing at each other | Jun 11 20:44 |
| Johnslax | "Fedora, by crack heads, for crack heads "? | Jun 11 20:44 |
| Nolikeyme | I wish Gnash would get a little better. I try every so often to see if its better. | Jun 11 20:44 |
| _Goblin | Im sure. | Jun 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | You know how we always warn that entities like ISO can be hijacked from the inside? | Jun 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Or VMware? | Jun 11 20:44 |
| _Goblin | But why come here? | Jun 11 20:44 |
| Nolikeyme | It's gotten better, but has a lot of work to go | Jun 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | MS signs deal with Tucci | Jun 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Tucci puts MS as CEO of VMware | Jun 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | CEO of VMware then make the COO a MS guy | Jun 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Then make the CTO the same | Jun 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Hijack from the inside | Jun 11 20:44 |
| Nolikeyme | Johnslax: Fedora is for crack heads? I should stop using it, then. | Jun 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I think this channel is under the same type of risk | Jun 11 20:45 |
| Johnslax | http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1138.0.html | Jun 11 20:45 |
| Johnslax | I hope some big black guy rapes the admins for that | Jun 11 20:45 |
| Johnslax | Being half black, that's way too offensive. | Jun 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | High Netbook Return Rate? Windows Is the Problem < http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/06/high-netbook-return-rate-windo.html > | Jun 11 20:46 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!i=d83be24f@*.com/x-c5bd57a4f890c770 | Jun 11 20:46 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked Johnslax from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jun 11 20:46 | |
| _Goblin | Edavid, can you understand why I blanked it out? | Jun 11 20:46 |
| _Mutex_ | If windows is on most netbooks, its stands to reason that more windows will be returned, soft of by definition. | Jun 11 20:46 |
| Nolikeyme | That's not nive | Jun 11 20:47 |
| Nolikeyme | nice | Jun 11 20:47 |
| _Goblin | Been using XP on a netbook for a week now (due to being on holiday)...all I can say, is: | Jun 11 20:47 |
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| EDavidBurg | _Goblin: does your client support tab completing nicks? | Jun 11 20:47 |
| _Goblin | XP is reasonable, but god help Vista or 7 as XP is certainly not a speed demon. | Jun 11 20:47 |
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| _Goblin | edavidburg no. | Jun 11 20:47 |
| EDavidBurg | then you should get a better client (read: irssi) :) | Jun 11 20:48 |
| _Goblin | I use Irssi.... | Jun 11 20:48 |
| _Mutex_ | I replaced XP with Win7 on a OLD laptop, and its JUSt as fast,, if NOT FASTER :) | Jun 11 20:48 |
| EDavidBurg | um. that definitely supports tab completing | Jun 11 20:48 |
| _Goblin | but for reasons above I'm not on my native system at the moment. | Jun 11 20:48 |
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| _Mutex_ | than XP, and uses like 3% CPU or less most of the time. | Jun 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Meh. How to run .NET programs in Linux. < http://www.prohowto.net/2009/06/how-to-run-net-programs-in-linux.html > | Jun 11 20:48 |
| _Goblin | I downloaded the first IRC client I could get my hands on... | Jun 11 20:48 |
| EDavidBurg | _Goblin: xchat supports it | Jun 11 20:49 |
| EDavidBurg | silverex.org | Jun 11 20:49 |
| _Goblin | I'm not using Xchat either...Im using an old version of HirC. | Jun 11 20:49 |
| EDavidBurg | well, then go get xchat | Jun 11 20:49 |
| _Goblin | since its the only one so far that hasnt become unstable | Jun 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | XChat is great | Jun 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | But my basis for comprison is poor | Jun 11 20:50 |
| EDavidBurg | of the GUI apps I've used it's the best | Jun 11 20:50 |
| _Goblin | Xchat is fine, but on large channels it simply hangs on this netbook | Jun 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I used mirc when I was 14 | Jun 11 20:50 |
| _Goblin | Mirc was great... | Jun 11 20:50 |
| donkeypuke | i sorta like xchat. wish i could use it now. stuck at work on an XP machine running IE6. not allowed to install apps | Jun 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | 5973 roy 20 0 52852 16m 6228 S 1 0.8 7:39.26 xchat | Jun 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | 1% of my RAM | Jun 11 20:51 |
| schestowitz | less than 20MB | Jun 11 20:51 |
| _Mutex_ | when I was 14 there was not such thing as DOS or IBM-PC's | Jun 11 20:51 |
| BuntuBoy | Haha, oh IBM. | Jun 11 20:51 |
| BuntuBoy | Memories. | Jun 11 20:51 |
| schestowitz | IBM still makes money from patenrs and h/w | Jun 11 20:52 |
| _Goblin | I was on the A500 when I was 14 (i think) | Jun 11 20:52 |
| BuntuBoy | I'm really disappointed in IBM anymore. | Jun 11 20:52 |
| schestowitz | They also offer services, but a lot of their software is bad. Lotus stuff for example.. | Jun 11 20:52 |
| BuntuBoy | Yeah... | Jun 11 20:52 |
| BuntuBoy | At least they're getting behind ODF. | Jun 11 20:52 |
| _Mutex_ | My first "PC" was a 2650 CPU 1Mhz clock, 1K ROM (OS, Pipbug) 1K expandable to 4K static RAM, 20mA current look I/O to a Baudo Telephinter !!!. | Jun 11 20:52 |
| _Goblin | excellent! | Jun 11 20:52 |
| donkeypuke | ooh, my first was a TI99/4A | Jun 11 20:53 |
| _Mutex_ | Ofcourse I had to solder all the part in myself, I really with I still had it too. | Jun 11 20:53 |
| donkeypuke | fun times | Jun 11 20:53 |
| _Mutex_ | sure was | Jun 11 20:53 |
| banned | My first computer was a PDP11 | Jun 11 20:53 |
| BuntuBoy | haha, very funny. | Jun 11 20:53 |
| banned | That baby looked sexy in my room! | Jun 11 20:53 |
| BuntuBoy | The old Unix machines. | Jun 11 20:53 |
| BuntuBoy | My first was a PC jr. | Jun 11 20:53 |
| _Goblin | first machine was a Sinclair ZX81 | Jun 11 20:54 |
| _Mutex_ | me and Craig Southeren uses to hack micro's and early space invader machines, Google Craig, the inventor of HS-232 | Jun 11 20:54 |
| MinceR | is that related to the RS-232? :> | Jun 11 20:54 |
| _Mutex_ | VOIP | Jun 11 20:54 |
| _Mutex_ | might be H323 | Jun 11 20:54 |
| BuntuBoy | I remember all the old Sierra DOS games. | Jun 11 20:54 |
| BuntuBoy | I learned to read from that stuff. | Jun 11 20:54 |
| BuntuBoy | Great times. | Jun 11 20:55 |
| donkeypuke | sierra? bleh. lucasarts all the way | Jun 11 20:55 |
| banned | I also have a Vax machine that Steve Ballmer is rumoured to have puked on. | Jun 11 20:55 |
| _Goblin | Space Quest | Jun 11 20:55 |
| BuntuBoy | Space Quest! | Jun 11 20:55 |
| donkeypuke | monkey island and loom ftw! | Jun 11 20:55 |
| BuntuBoy | Roger Wilco FTW! | Jun 11 20:55 |
| BuntuBoy | It's such a shame that SQ7 got shut down... | Jun 11 20:55 |
| _Mutex_ | Craig is a BIG name in FOSS circles, was a great friend and a bit of a hero to me :) | Jun 11 20:55 |
| BuntuBoy | It was going to be built on a FOSS engine called SLAGE. | Jun 11 20:55 |
| BuntuBoy | I wish there were more adventure games in the FOSS community like the old days. | Jun 11 20:57 |
| BuntuBoy | Instead of a million shoot-em-ups. | Jun 11 20:57 |
| banned | Buntuboy, we should make one. | Jun 11 20:57 |
| BuntuBoy | banned: Well, currently I'm learning to make one with pyGame. | Jun 11 20:57 |
| _Mutex_ | Craig went to university to do comp sci, after talking to his professors, he worked out he knew far more than they did, so he left. | Jun 11 20:57 |
| banned | Call it "Can you pick all of the hobbits out of RMS's beard." | Jun 11 20:58 |
| BuntuBoy | banned: Haha! | Jun 11 20:59 |
| banned | Then we can make "Can you beat Tove in kickboxing?" | Jun 11 20:59 |
| balzac | schestowitz: I think this means you're winning. | Jun 11 21:00 |
| BuntuBoy | Or maybe a game where you report on the wrongdoings of MS. | Jun 11 21:00 |
| banned | BN already made it... | Jun 11 21:00 |
| BuntuBoy | But we can do a remake! | Jun 11 21:00 |
| banned | a better one? | Jun 11 21:00 |
| BuntuBoy | That's huge in adventure game circles. | Jun 11 21:00 |
| BuntuBoy | With VGA graphics, and an enhanced plotline! | Jun 11 21:00 |
| _Mutex_ | like the "throw shoe at bush" game :) | Jun 11 21:00 |
| banned | Maybe we should remake Halo on Linux | Jun 11 21:00 |
| BuntuBoy | No, Halo on HURD. | Jun 11 21:01 |
| BuntuBoy | For sure. | Jun 11 21:01 |
| banned | M$ would be all like "YOU ASSHOLES!" | Jun 11 21:01 |
| donkeypuke | ewww | Jun 11 21:01 |
| banned | Stevie boy would cry | Jun 11 21:01 |
| _Mutex_ | there is a game called "railroad tycoon" you could have "software tycoon". | Jun 11 21:01 |
| _Mutex_ | You could be stallman, gates, Ballmer, jobs !! | Jun 11 21:01 |
| BuntuBoy | _Mutx_: I can has vendor lock-in? | Jun 11 21:01 |
| _Mutex_ | and compete with the other tycoons | Jun 11 21:02 |
| _Mutex_ | Sure you can have vender locking, patents, copyright | Jun 11 21:02 |
| BuntuBoy | And research comsumerism and slavery and find ways to mix them.. | Jun 11 21:02 |
| banned | _Mutex_: to hell with that | Jun 11 21:02 |
| _Mutex_ | LOL | Jun 11 21:02 |
| BuntuBoy | The iGod. | Jun 11 21:02 |
| banned | I say we make an ultimate fighting game | Jun 11 21:02 |
| BuntuBoy | Thousands of people praying in front of a dial with a playlist. | Jun 11 21:02 |
| _Mutex_ | dodgy market surveys | Jun 11 21:02 |
| BuntuBoy | Ooh! | Jun 11 21:02 |
| banned | Staring Billy G and Steve, versus Linus's wife | Jun 11 21:02 |
| BuntuBoy | And don't forget crummy research groups! | Jun 11 21:03 |
| banned | I wanna see her kickbox their faces in! | Jun 11 21:03 |
| _Mutex_ | Dirty tactics, CPU wars | Jun 11 21:03 |
| BuntuBoy | Mono. | Jun 11 21:03 |
| banned | Mono is 666ish | Jun 11 21:03 |
| _Mutex_ | if it all goes bad you find yourself in EU court !!!! | Jun 11 21:03 |
| _Mutex_ | Or in front of DoJ | Jun 11 21:03 |
| BuntuBoy | Mono is pretty evil, I'll admit. | Jun 11 21:04 |
| BuntuBoy | Possibly the most evil syntax language I've ever seen. | Jun 11 21:04 |
| BuntuBoy | That and .docx | Jun 11 21:04 |
| BuntuBoy | Going into OpenOffice, I mean geez. | Jun 11 21:04 |
| BuntuBoy | Is there even a simple way to remove it? | Jun 11 21:04 |
| _Mutex_ | I wont have anyone calling GPL'd code evil here LOL | Jun 11 21:04 |
| banned | The micromafia is evil in general, why would their tech be any different buntuboy? | Jun 11 21:04 |
| BuntuBoy | Well, hate to burst your bubble, but it's pretty bad. | Jun 11 21:04 |
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| BuntuBoy | banned: Because, Novell has no standards for a FOSS company. | Jun 11 21:05 |
| BuntuBoy | They're just in it for the money. | Jun 11 21:05 |
| banned | They're trying to change us! | Jun 11 21:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Adobe loves GNU/Linux... it doesn't think we need patches... < http://ping.fm/Qdpdx > | Jun 11 21:05 | |
| BuntuBoy | Horrible. | Jun 11 21:05 |
| MinceR | they aren't in it | Jun 11 21:05 |
| MinceR | they're against it | Jun 11 21:05 |
| BuntuBoy | I don't think Adobe likes GNU/Linux. | Jun 11 21:05 |
| BuntuBoy | If they did, Flash MX would have come out for it already. | Jun 11 21:05 |
| BuntuBoy | Or they'd GPL Flash. | Jun 11 21:06 |
| BuntuBoy | But we have to deal with that or Silverlight. | Jun 11 21:06 |
| BuntuBoy | Or moonlight. | Jun 11 21:06 |
| BuntuBoy | Awful, awful moonlight. | Jun 11 21:06 |
| banned | To hell with flash, I bet gnash beats it hands down. | Jun 11 21:06 |
| MinceR | and photoshop would have come out for it too | Jun 11 21:06 |
| BuntuBoy | But we get Mono instead. | Jun 11 21:06 |
| BuntuBoy | Why?! | Jun 11 21:06 |
| MinceR | (not that i need it but i know someone who insists on using it) | Jun 11 21:06 |
| banned | Does anyone actually use Usenet anymore? | Jun 11 21:07 |
| BuntuBoy | Me. | Jun 11 21:07 |
| banned | Me too. | Jun 11 21:07 |
| BuntuBoy | I love Comp.Os.Linux.Advocacy | Jun 11 21:07 |
| BuntuBoy | Some really great articles. | Jun 11 21:07 |
| banned | I was reading that Microsoft is planning to attack wine soon | Jun 11 21:07 |
| BuntuBoy | Figures. | Jun 11 21:07 |
| BuntuBoy | They already attacked Linspire for supporting that one. | Jun 11 21:08 |
| banned | It makes sense I guess | Jun 11 21:08 |
| banned | If anybody's gonna get sued in the Linux world by MS, it'd be wine or the kernel at this point | Jun 11 21:09 |
| BuntuBoy | Who'd want to run Windowze software anyway? | Jun 11 21:09 |
| banned | I feel sorry for the wine guys if they do | Jun 11 21:09 |
| BuntuBoy | Win apps are virusey garbage. | Jun 11 21:09 |
| banned | all their hard work. There' | Jun 11 21:09 |
| _Mutex_ | or samba, or those who use cleartype, and probably many other things, like FAT | Jun 11 21:09 |
| _Goblin | Banned: That was one of my predictions on MSWatch at the end of last year...the last bastion of salvation for Windows is offering customers packages that they may have spent years running... | Jun 11 21:09 |
| BuntuBoy | Typical corporation. | Jun 11 21:10 |
| _Goblin | once Wine has that cracked there really will be no need. | Jun 11 21:10 |
| BuntuBoy | If they're not making money, they're hoarding progress. | Jun 11 21:10 |
| banned | I think MS has been betting on finding actual MS code in wine | Jun 11 21:10 |
| BuntuBoy | I wonder if they will. | Jun 11 21:10 |
| BuntuBoy | ReactOS will be done for if that's the case. | Jun 11 21:10 |
| banned | I wouldn't doubt that there isn't any. | Jun 11 21:10 |
| banned | Even if it's one line | Jun 11 21:11 |
| BuntuBoy | Cider will also die out, upsetting tons of Hipster mac lovers. | Jun 11 21:11 |
| banned | Being around for all those years openly, someone will slip something in | Jun 11 21:11 |
| _Mutex_ | nor does there have to be, wine could infringe patents without word for work code copying | Jun 11 21:11 |
| _Goblin | It wont matter, the code is out there and someone will always be willing to develop it... | Jun 11 21:11 |
| BuntuBoy | Just look at wine-tricks even. | Jun 11 21:11 |
| banned | What if wine becomes illegal? | Jun 11 21:11 |
| _Goblin | MS patent power is useless against an anon uploader. | Jun 11 21:12 |
| BuntuBoy | That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. | Jun 11 21:12 |
| _Goblin | Illegal? | Jun 11 21:12 |
| _Goblin | You mean unlawful? | Jun 11 21:12 |
| _Mutex_ | and Ive looked at MS code and Linux code, there basically no way it would be possible or viable to do that, | Jun 11 21:12 |
| BuntuBoy | Wouldn't affect me. | Jun 11 21:12 |
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| banned | Well, it make wine uselsss Goblin | Jun 11 21:12 |
| banned | Companies won't touch it | Jun 11 21:12 |
| _Goblin | ? | Jun 11 21:12 |
| _Goblin | Im not talking about companies... | Jun 11 21:13 |
| balzac | This is wankery. | Jun 11 21:13 |
| _Goblin | I'm talking about bedroom coders who take the code and develop it themselves. | Jun 11 21:13 |
| _Goblin | anyone can do that. | Jun 11 21:13 |
| banned | It still makes it illegal | Jun 11 21:13 |
| _Goblin | no it wouldnt. | Jun 11 21:13 |
| _Goblin | Illegal? | Jun 11 21:13 |
| _Mutex_ | he is right companies wont touch wine, | Jun 11 21:13 |
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| _Goblin | You mean "unlawful" (possibly) | Jun 11 21:14 |
| banned | If wine was found to be patent encumbered | Jun 11 21:14 |
| _Goblin | It cant be "illegal" unless there is provision in law. | Jun 11 21:14 |
| banned | It might still liveo n | Jun 11 21:14 |
| banned | But not like it is, no companies would touch it, no distros would include it | Jun 11 21:14 |
| banned | it would die | Jun 11 21:14 |
| _Mutex_ | unlawful and illegal is much the same, and he's right does not matter where you do it, if you breach patents, you are liable. | Jun 11 21:14 |
| _Goblin | Maybe you are suggesting the Computer Misuse Act is amended? | Jun 11 21:14 |
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| _Goblin | No...sorry Mutex. In the UK there is alot of difference | Jun 11 21:15 |
| _Mutex_ | Ofcourse if it does not leave your basement, I doubt there will be a problem, but by the letter of the law you broke it | Jun 11 21:15 |
| _Goblin | Its the difference between civil and criminal law | Jun 11 21:15 |
| balzac | If you're invested in a company which is counting on software patent claims as part of its core strategy... Get ready to lose money. | Jun 11 21:15 |
| balzac | or your job. | Jun 11 21:15 |
| _Goblin | the burden of proof is completely different | Jun 11 21:15 |
| _Mutex_ | Is it severity ? | Jun 11 21:15 |
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| _Mutex_ | ok, the us is the same, you have a proponderance of guild, ask OJ | Jun 11 21:16 |
| _Goblin | A civil case is proved to "Balance of probability" whereas Criminal is "beyond all reasonable doubt" | Jun 11 21:16 |
| _Mutex_ | guilt* | Jun 11 21:16 |
| balzac | Microsoft is due for a reality check | Jun 11 21:16 |
| _Mutex_ | yes | Jun 11 21:16 |
| _Goblin | in the UK of course. | Jun 11 21:16 |
| balzac | Pretty soon, they'll realize they have to work for their revenue like everyone else. | Jun 11 21:16 |
| balzac | No more free ride! | Jun 11 21:16 |
| _Mutex_ | I would think they realise that now | Jun 11 21:17 |
| _Mutex_ | whos' giveing them a free ride ? | Jun 11 21:17 |
| balzac | Software patent claims are not going to pay the bills | Jun 11 21:17 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: all the poor suckers who buy their products. | Jun 11 21:17 |
| _Mutex_ | They never have for MS, | Jun 11 21:17 |
| _Mutex_ | MS does not make its revinue by patent licenses. | Jun 11 21:17 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: Microsoft is going to cry. | Jun 11 21:18 |
| balzac | It's been a good run for them. | Jun 11 21:18 |
| _Mutex_ | there has to be something comparable to replace it, or to force it out of the market, and I know what your going to say, but no i dont think so. | Jun 11 21:19 |
| balzac | Steve Ballmer has given us some laughs | Jun 11 21:19 |
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| _Mutex_ | If they have not done it in 17 against a 25 year old business, its doubtfull its will ever happen, thats my reality check | Jun 11 21:19 |
| balzac | Ok, then buy MS stock. | Jun 11 21:20 |
| amd-linux | Folks, do I read this wrong or does Dell sell Ubuntu for the same price as a Win | Jun 11 21:20 |
| amd-linux | XP machine ? | Jun 11 21:20 |
| amd-linux | http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-10?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04 | Jun 11 21:20 |
| balzac | amd-linux: exact same hardware specs? | Jun 11 21:20 |
| amd-linux | looks so | Jun 11 21:21 |
| amd-linux | to me | Jun 11 21:21 |
| amd-linux | can u pls check maybe I overlooked it cause I didnt get my daily beer | Jun 11 21:21 |
| balzac | You ought to get a lower price, or an extra upgraded component | Jun 11 21:21 |
| balzac | no | Jun 11 21:21 |
| _Mutex_ | im not interested in MS stock, or trolling, im just stating the facts as they stand, nothing im saying is wrong, | Jun 11 21:21 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: I don't look to windows users to state facts to me about software | Jun 11 21:22 |
| _Mutex_ | a counter point for balance | Jun 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: where did you spit this? | Jun 11 21:22 |
| _Mutex_ | Nor do I. | Jun 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | I ask because LinuxToday linked to a 2007 post about it | Jun 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | It seems like an old story | Jun 11 21:22 |
| amd-linux | this is the link: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-10?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04 | Jun 11 21:22 |
| _Mutex_ | I actually dont divide "users" into factions. most of the world doesnt | Jun 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: how did you find it? | Jun 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see now | Jun 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | It's the new model | Jun 11 21:23 |
| amd-linux | to me, both machines look identical except one comes with Ubuntu and one With Win XP | Jun 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: was the offer always like that? | Jun 11 21:23 |
| amd-linux | search for Ubuntu on dell.com or dell.de | Jun 11 21:23 |
| balzac | Microsoft divides users into factions with their license which says "DO NOT SHARE, FEDERAL LAW, PUNISHABLE, BLAH BLAH BLAH..." | Jun 11 21:23 |
| _Mutex_ | it will be interesting which will sell the most, all else is equal, perfect test | Jun 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Remember that XP for junkbooks is like $5 | Jun 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe $0 | Jun 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | And Ubuntu comes with Fluendo garbage | Jun 11 21:24 |
| amd-linux | still I cant believe that MS is giving XP away for the same price as Dell pays to install Ubuntu.... | Jun 11 21:24 |
| _Mutex_ | windows does not tell me to support windows MS, BSD, Linux, VMS or anything else, ive read the EULA, didnt see it anywhere !!! | Jun 11 21:24 |
| amd-linux | looks like Dell got it special deal on Windows licences :-( | Jun 11 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I see the headline: " | Jun 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | <banned> it would die | Jun 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | <_Mutex_> unlawful and illegal is much the same, and he's right does not matter where you do it, if you breach patents, you are liable." | Jun 11 21:26 |
| balzac | Microsoft sends people to prison who help their company | Jun 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Jun 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | "Leeches or Users? Should Enterprise IT Have to Give Back to FOSS?" | Jun 11 21:26 |
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| balzac | A man made lots of unlicensed copies of windows and sold them on computers. | Jun 11 21:26 |
| balzac | Microsoft had him canned. | Jun 11 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | That MS investor and troll Bill Snyder really spread a lot of FUD | Jun 11 21:26 |
| balzac | But Microsoft depends on their unlicensed distribution as a sort of "loss leader" | Jun 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Those IDG pundits are anti-Linux and hardly hiding it | Jun 11 21:26 |
| balzac | if Microsoft had no unlicensed copies, the world would be clamoring for GNU/Linux | Jun 11 21:27 |
| balzac | Microsoft is hypocritical | Jun 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: here's an idea. | Jun 11 21:27 |
| balzac | They want users to make unlicensed copies, yet they forbid it. | Jun 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Wait until July 26th(ish) | Jun 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | See what the dumping is doing to the Vole | Jun 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | They already borrow money | Jun 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | And the execs jump ship | Jun 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer is left, some other new guys get promoted | Jun 11 21:28 |
| mib_balzfw | hi everyone! | Jun 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes from within. So they are left with rookies and people who inherit struggling Business Units | Jun 11 21:28 |
| _Mutex_ | and if someone broke into your house and stole things, or stole your ability to earn a living, you might call the police and use the law to help you, thats what the law is for, and MS did not put anyone in prison, the Police, courts and laws did. | Jun 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Hi, mib_balzfw | Jun 11 21:28 |
| mib_balzfw | whoops let me log in as wispygalaxy :P | Jun 11 21:28 |
| mib_balzfw | brb | Jun 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | mib_balzfw: can you change to a less generic name? | Jun 11 21:28 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: that guy made copies, didn't take things. | Jun 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | /nick wizpy | Jun 11 21:29 |
| mib_balzfw | hi roy! it's me wispy ;) | Jun 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I know | Jun 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | We have a zoo issue here | Jun 11 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | I think Bruce Perens closed his site down after similar weird people took over it | Jun 11 21:29 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: that's a ridiculous comparison. For some reason, I had the idea you were smarter than that. | Jun 11 21:29 |
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| _Mutex_ | Im fairly sure MS does not have the right to imprison people. only courts and police are, and only after it's determined BY the COURT that they have broken a law | Jun 11 21:29 |
| balzac | Microsoft green-lighted his prosecution | Jun 11 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yo | Jun 11 21:30 |
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| wispygalaxy | i'm back! :) | Jun 11 21:30 |
| balzac | Microsoft depends on these guys to fill up the developing countries with unlicensed copies of windows | Jun 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy from COLA | Jun 11 21:30 |
| wispygalaxy | hello guys and gals! | Jun 11 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I think you're the only girl here | Jun 11 21:30 |
| balzac | That's when the copyright enforcers come into the picture | Jun 11 21:30 |
| wispygalaxy | awwww :( | Jun 11 21:30 |
| balzac | hi wispygalaxy | Jun 11 21:30 |
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| _Mutex_ | Im sure they did, Im sure they may have even gone to the police, mabey its even a crime to with hold a crime from the police if you become aware of it. | Jun 11 21:30 |
| wispygalaxy | hey balzac, long time no see! | Jun 11 21:30 |
| _Mutex_ | I think it is, | Jun 11 21:30 |
| _Mutex_ | Failure to report a crime | Jun 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: bring your cr3w ;-) | Jun 11 21:31 |
| balzac | long time, never see, actually | Jun 11 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | haha roy | Jun 11 21:31 |
| BuntuBoy | _Mutex_: Failure to report a crime is awful. | Jun 11 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm been so busy lately balzac | Jun 11 21:31 |
| _Mutex_ | exactly | Jun 11 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | hopefully i'll have more time to chill | Jun 11 21:31 |
| _Goblin | sorry Mutex just returned, seen your posts... | Jun 11 21:31 |
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| balzac | Microsoft is embarrassing themselves | Jun 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: see katherine... she is not shy in headlines.. http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/67261.html See? Hardcore Linux women. | Jun 11 21:32 |
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| _Goblin | holding crime from police = two possible outcomes... | Jun 11 21:32 |
| BuntuBoy | I hate Micro$oft with such a passion... | Jun 11 21:32 |
| wispygalaxy | thx for link roy | Jun 11 21:32 |
| _Mutex_ | im sure they are to some people | Jun 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | ECT is weird | Jun 11 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | LinuxInsider in general | Jun 11 21:32 |
| BuntuBoy | Companies like that are the scourge of the earrth. | Jun 11 21:32 |
| _Goblin | obstructing or perverting...depending on context (in the UK anyway) | Jun 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | They sspread all sorts of myths | Jun 11 21:32 |
| balzac | hardcore GNU/Linux women? | Jun 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | After they had been nought | Jun 11 21:32 |
| Boblinux | hi | Jun 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | And people do complain about it | Jun 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Boblinux | Jun 11 21:32 |
| wispygalaxy | hiya boylinux | Jun 11 21:33 |
| wispygalaxy | boblinux* | Jun 11 21:33 |
| BuntuBoy | Hi Boblinux. | Jun 11 21:33 |
| BuntuBoy | Interesting name. | Jun 11 21:33 |
| Boblinux | what's the conversation about? | Jun 11 21:33 |
| BuntuBoy | M$ | Jun 11 21:33 |
| _Mutex_ | Saw a doco about Enron today, man you think MS is bad !!!! geeezzzzz, and what about your sub-prime bankers, putting all those people on the street losing their OWN homes, | Jun 11 21:33 |
| balzac | the decline of Microsoft | Jun 11 21:33 |
| Boblinux | It's not that interesting, my real name is bob and I use Linux. | Jun 11 21:33 |
| _Mutex_ | But You cant put a $ in Enron i guess :) | Jun 11 21:33 |
| Boblinux | :) | Jun 11 21:33 |
| balzac | I think Microsoft may be the next big accounting scandal | Jun 11 21:33 |
| BuntuBoy | Which distro? | Jun 11 21:33 |
| balzac | Over-stating their assets | Jun 11 21:34 |
| BuntuBoy | Boblinux: which distro | Jun 11 21:34 |
| balzac | "cooking their books" | Jun 11 21:34 |
| wispygalaxy | book value vs market value | Jun 11 21:34 |
| _Mutex_ | is that based on any facts or just wishfull thinking ? | Jun 11 21:34 |
| BuntuBoy | Possibly a bit of both. | Jun 11 21:35 |
| Boblinux | BuntuBoy: http://www.nimblex.net/ | Jun 11 21:35 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: schestowitz has published on this subject a few times | Jun 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | _Mutex_: Microsoft could be another Enron | Jun 11 21:35 |
| balzac | It makes perfect sense to me | Jun 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | We just don't know yet | Jun 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Some send me E-mails calling Microsoft that | Jun 11 21:35 |
| balzac | It would be spectacular | Jun 11 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | scandal! | Jun 11 21:35 |
| BuntuBoy | I wonder if any Enron workers work for M$. | Jun 11 21:36 |
| _Mutex_ | I dont see how, Do y ou know what enron did to make and lose its money ?? I do, | Jun 11 21:36 |
| _Mutex_ | MS is not even in the same game, MS is a comody provider, not a rampant investor. | Jun 11 21:36 |
| wispygalaxy | brb guys | Jun 11 21:36 |
| BuntuBoy | M$ is full of lobbyists, though. | Jun 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | "There is such an overvaluation of technology stocks that it is absurd. I would include our stock in that category. It is bad for the long-term worth of the economy." -Steve Ballmer | Jun 11 21:36 |
| Boblinux | Do you guys remember me? I used to hang around here a little about 3 months ago. Under the name poondilly | Jun 11 21:36 |
| balzac | no kidding | Jun 11 21:36 |
| BuntuBoy | What's poondilly mean? | Jun 11 21:37 |
| BuntuBoy | Is it a Southern term? | Jun 11 21:37 |
| _Mutex_ | Roy how long ago was that statement ? | Jun 11 21:37 |
| _Mutex_ | mabey in teh Dotcom era ? | Jun 11 21:38 |
| Boblinux | BuntuBoy: I like to put my dilly into some poon. | Jun 11 21:38 |
| Boblinux | So, poondilly is a good choice. | Jun 11 21:38 |
| BuntuBoy | Boblinux: That's gross! | Jun 11 21:38 |
| _Mutex_ | in that case he's absolutely correct | Jun 11 21:38 |
| BuntuBoy | Boblinux: Not to mention, inappopriate! | Jun 11 21:38 |
| Boblinux | I didn't mean to break rules. Nobody complained when I actually used the name | Jun 11 21:38 |
| Boblinux | :( | Jun 11 21:38 |
| BuntuBoy | Well, probably no one asked. | Jun 11 21:39 |
| BuntuBoy | Maybe you don't mean any wrong by it, but that's an awful title for a community such as this. | Jun 11 21:39 |
| Boblinux | It's not like my name was Vaginastuffer or something | Jun 11 21:39 |
| BuntuBoy | It's trollish. | Jun 11 21:39 |
| balzac | heheh | Jun 11 21:39 |
| _Mutex_ | and you should be going after alan greenspan and not gates, greenspan brought about Enron's failure AND the DotCOM bubble burst. | Jun 11 21:40 |
| balzac | Boblinux: you sound more like a microsoft user | Jun 11 21:40 |
| Boblinux | I still use Windows, if that's what you mean. | Jun 11 21:40 |
| balzac | So you probably see a lot of porn pop ups | Jun 11 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | do you dual boot? | Jun 11 21:40 |
| Boblinux | So I am technically a M$ user | Jun 11 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | nooooo | Jun 11 21:40 |
| Boblinux | Yeah, I need it for school and stuff | Jun 11 21:40 |
| balzac | which leads you to be more crass than us GNU/Linux users | Jun 11 21:40 |
| BuntuBoy | I've used Ubuntu since Hoary. | Jun 11 21:41 |
| Boblinux | I prefer Nimblex | Jun 11 21:41 |
| balzac | wispygalaxy: are you a php developer by any chance? | Jun 11 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | nope | Jun 11 21:41 |
| balzac | ok | Jun 11 21:41 |
| BuntuBoy | I'd take HTML any day. | Jun 11 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm getting into java, though | Jun 11 21:41 |
| balzac | why? | Jun 11 21:41 |
| BuntuBoy | Better than Mono. | Jun 11 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | i need it for finance | Jun 11 21:41 |
| balzac | ok | Jun 11 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | that or C++ is accepted | Jun 11 21:42 |
| BuntuBoy | Or straight up C. | Jun 11 21:42 |
| Boblinux | Do you dual boot wispygalaxy? | Jun 11 21:42 |
| Boblinux | What about you balzac? | Jun 11 21:42 |
| BuntuBoy | Why would anyone want to dualboot? | Jun 11 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm not sure that c is used a lot in finance, maybe i'm wrong | Jun 11 21:42 |
| balzac | GNU/Linux | Jun 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | _Mutex_: I think a decade ago, just less than that | Jun 11 21:42 |
| balzac | Ubuntu | Jun 11 21:42 |
| BuntuBoy | C's a lot more flexible than you'd think. | Jun 11 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | nah i don't | Jun 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | MS lost tens of billions at the time | Jun 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | But investors ignored it | Jun 11 21:43 |
| Boblinux | BuntuBoy: because I can't do school without it :( | Jun 11 21:43 |
| wispygalaxy | i have school computers for MS specific software | Jun 11 21:43 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, i've seeen C accounting apps | Jun 11 21:43 |
| BuntuBoy | Boblinux: Nonsense! most distros I've used are great for schoolwork. | Jun 11 21:43 |
| _Mutex_ | yes, it was a nasty time allround at that time for sure | Jun 11 21:43 |
| balzac | My favorite topic is how Microsoft is about to fail hard. | Jun 11 21:44 |
| Boblinux | I can't even print my stuff :( | Jun 11 21:44 |
| wispygalaxy | you'd think a business major like me wouldn't survive under linux, but OO Calc works fine for me. I don't need Excel. | Jun 11 21:44 |
| Boblinux | Last time I buy a canon printer :( | Jun 11 21:44 |
| balzac | Got any chum for the sharks, schestowitz? | Jun 11 21:44 |
| BuntuBoy | Boblinux: That's your fault, then! I've never had any problems with my Canon! | Jun 11 21:44 |
| BuntuBoy | It Just Works. | Jun 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: -social | Jun 11 21:44 |
| Boblinux | Mine isn't compatible with Linux :( | Jun 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | * balzac | Jun 11 21:45 |
| balzac | -> back to work | Jun 11 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | hahaha | Jun 11 21:45 |
| BuntuBoy | Boblinux: cupsys? | Jun 11 21:45 |
| Boblinux | what's that? | Jun 11 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | linux hates you, boblinux? :( | Jun 11 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | i've heard of that buntuboy | Jun 11 21:45 |
| Boblinux | No, just my crappy printer | Jun 11 21:45 |
| BuntuBoy | Boblinux: the latest Ubuntu has support for most printers. | Jun 11 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | oh ok bob | Jun 11 21:45 |
| Boblinux | I hear HPs are good for linux, is that true? | Jun 11 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | oh yeah | Jun 11 21:46 |
| Boblinux | I'm gonna buy a new compatible webcam too | Jun 11 21:46 |
| BuntuBoy | Cupsys used to have awful issues with HP ones, though. | Jun 11 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | i've popped in an ubuntu live CD in my family's HP desktop, the sound and everything worked | Jun 11 21:46 |
| _Mutex_ | damn canon, I bought a $2000 canon camera, they said I would get a free carry case, but I had to log on, fill in a web page, Print out that web page, Cut out the bar code on the box that the camera came in and provide a photocopy of the store recept post all that in and wait for them to post you a carry case back !!! | Jun 11 21:46 |
| Boblinux | What company makes linux compatible webcams? | Jun 11 21:46 |
| BuntuBoy | Color scan lines all over reports. | Jun 11 21:46 |
| BuntuBoy | Apple, belive it or not. | Jun 11 21:46 |
| BuntuBoy | The iSight cam works great with it. | Jun 11 21:47 |
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| BuntuBoy | Logitech is also comparable. | Jun 11 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | i have a web cam built into my laptop | Jun 11 21:47 |
| Boblinux | Something other than Apple. | Jun 11 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | i like logitech mice | Jun 11 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | they last long | Jun 11 21:47 |
| BuntuBoy | Their cameras are pretty okay. | Jun 11 21:47 |
| Boblinux | Maybe I'm not trying hard enough :( | Jun 11 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | need a helping hand? | Jun 11 21:47 |
| BuntuBoy | Boblinux: Obviously. | Jun 11 21:47 |
| *schestowitz disagrees with wispygalaxy | Jun 11 21:47 | |
| Boblinux | is there like a way to find out? | Jun 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | My Logitech mice break fast | Jun 11 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | omg roy?! | Jun 11 21:47 |
| Boblinux | My cam is no name and has no markings | Jun 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | The cheapo ones last longer | Jun 11 21:47 |
| _Mutex_ | Canon EoS 14MP i think it is, | Jun 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Same with shoes. Nike is rubbbish. | Jun 11 21:48 |
| BuntuBoy | I just have Wal-Mart shoes. | Jun 11 21:48 |
| wispygalaxy | you won't believe it, but the paint on my fellowes mouse started to fade away after about a year of using it | Jun 11 21:48 |
| wispygalaxy | i have sketchers shoes | Jun 11 21:48 |
| BuntuBoy | Mine have holes all through them. | Jun 11 21:48 |
| BuntuBoy | Good thing it's summer... | Jun 11 21:49 |
| _Mutex_ | most of the keys on the keyboard im using now are completely blank | Jun 11 21:49 |
| BuntuBoy | But these non-slip workers shoes lasted like three years. | Jun 11 21:49 |
| Balrog | hi wispygalaxy | Jun 11 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | hey balrog :D | Jun 11 21:49 |
| BuntuBoy | Good friends? | Jun 11 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | my shoes last a long time, im very careful | Jun 11 21:49 |
| BuntuBoy | I'm not. | Jun 11 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | i've known balrog since march | Jun 11 21:49 |
| Boblinux | Is Linux the most secure OS in the world? | Jun 11 21:49 |
| BuntuBoy | I do lots of parkour and free-running. | Jun 11 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | hell yeah | Jun 11 21:49 |
| Balrog | Boblinux: it's said that OpenBSD is | Jun 11 21:50 |
| Boblinux | My friend just asked, what should I say? | Jun 11 21:50 |
| Balrog | but OpenBSD is not easy to configure | Jun 11 21:50 |
| BuntuBoy | Just say yes. | Jun 11 21:50 |
| BuntuBoy | Linux is WAY better than any BSD. | Jun 11 21:50 |
| Boblinux | Isn't openbsd linux? | Jun 11 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | debian was much easier than i expected | Jun 11 21:50 |
| BuntuBoy | BSD is practically dead anyways. | Jun 11 21:50 |
| BuntuBoy | Awful system. | Jun 11 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't know how to hack at all | Jun 11 21:50 |
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| _Mutex_ | open bsd is bsd | Jun 11 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | hey petokraus! | Jun 11 21:51 |
| Boblinux | How is openbsd different? | Jun 11 21:51 |
| _Mutex_ | Linux is GPLv2 | Jun 11 21:51 |
| BuntuBoy | It's bad. | Jun 11 21:51 |
| Boblinux | I thought it was just linux lol | Jun 11 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | bsd license | Jun 11 21:51 |
| _Mutex_ | GNU is GPLv2 and GPLv3 | Jun 11 21:51 |
| BuntuBoy | The BSD license is a perversion. | Jun 11 21:51 |
| Balrog | I wouldn't go as far as to say that | Jun 11 21:51 |
| BuntuBoy | I believe it, after reading RMS "Free Software, Free Society" | Jun 11 21:52 |
| wispygalaxy | brb, phone ringing | Jun 11 21:52 |
| BuntuBoy | BSD just gives devs the right to make something proprietary. | Jun 11 21:52 |
| _Mutex_ | BSD license is different to the GPL, does not make it better or worse, just different | Jun 11 21:52 |
| Balrog | yes, exactly | Jun 11 21:52 |
| balzac | BuntuBoy is trolling | Jun 11 21:52 |
| BuntuBoy | Not at all. | Jun 11 21:52 |
| balzac | GNU has a permissive license as well | Jun 11 21:52 |
| Balrog | GPL is better in most cases | Jun 11 21:52 |
| Boblinux | lol my friend says Solaris is the most secure OS | Jun 11 21:52 |
| balzac | Balrog: I agree | Jun 11 21:52 |
| BuntuBoy | I agree. | Jun 11 21:52 |
| BuntuBoy | No, Solaris is terribly put together. | Jun 11 21:53 |
| balzac | but BuntuBoy choose undiplomatic language | Jun 11 21:53 |
| BuntuBoy | I'm just giving him advise. | Jun 11 21:53 |
| _Mutex_ | GNU is not a license or i could be wrong, I thought GNU was RMS's HURD and being RMS's i would assume it was GPLd | Jun 11 21:53 |
| Balrog | GNU is the GNU Project | Jun 11 21:53 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: what are you referring to? | Jun 11 21:53 |
| _Mutex_ | Solaris is another branch from early UNIX and Minux Linux is another branch. | Jun 11 21:54 |
| BuntuBoy | Solaris has bits of MS Xenix in it... | Jun 11 21:54 |
| Balrog | Minix != Linux | Jun 11 21:54 |
| Balrog | BuntuBoy: nope | Jun 11 21:54 |
| Balrog | I've worked with it | Jun 11 21:54 |
| BuntuBoy | System V R IV has Xenix in it, though. | Jun 11 21:54 |
| _Mutex_ | balzac said GNU is a permissive license as well , I did not know it was a license at all | Jun 11 21:54 |
| BuntuBoy | And SunOS is derived from it. | Jun 11 21:54 |
| Balrog | GNU _has_ a permissive license | Jun 11 21:54 |
| Balrog | i.e. the LGPL | Jun 11 21:55 |
| balzac | not quite | Jun 11 21:55 |
| BuntuBoy | It's all a developer really needs. | Jun 11 21:55 |
| balzac | 21:08 < balzac> GNU has a permissive license as well | Jun 11 21:55 |
| balzac | *has* | Jun 11 21:55 |
| Boblinux | What does GNU mean? | Jun 11 21:55 |
| balzac | GNU project | Jun 11 21:55 |
| BuntuBoy | GNU's not Unix. | Jun 11 21:55 |
| _Mutex_ | No Minux does not equal linux, but Linux is based on Minux very closly but does not contain ANY original code from Minux as per Linus's letter | Jun 11 21:55 |
| BuntuBoy | Minix is a microkernel, Linux is monolithic. | Jun 11 21:55 |
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| BuntuBoy | Easier to maintain. | Jun 11 21:55 |
| Balrog | meh not really | Jun 11 21:55 |
| Balrog | but I won't argue, it's pointless | Jun 11 21:55 |
| BuntuBoy | I mean Linux is easier to maintain. | Jun 11 21:55 |
| balzac | I might have well have said the FSF, but the GPL, LGPL, and AGPL are all GNU-branded | Jun 11 21:55 |
| balzac | I call them GNU licenses | Jun 11 21:56 |
| Balrog | people, know before you speak ....... | Jun 11 21:56 |
| BuntuBoy | Does anyone even use AGPL anymore? | Jun 11 21:56 |
| _Mutex_ | "guys, im doing a UNIX based on Minux but it will not contain any Minux code, it wont be professional or anything like Gnu" bad quote from memoty | Jun 11 21:56 |
| BuntuBoy | lol | Jun 11 21:56 |
| balzac | BuntuBoy: yes | Jun 11 21:56 |
| balzac | Sovix | Jun 11 21:56 |
| balzac | and many other web applications | Jun 11 21:56 |
| BuntuBoy | What's that? | Jun 11 21:56 |
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| balzac | I suggest you try using the internet to find out ;0) | Jun 11 21:57 |
| balzac | the internet is cool and gives access to lots of information | Jun 11 21:57 |
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| balzac | darn, he missed my answer | Jun 11 21:57 |
| _Mutex_ | the only difference between the microkernal and Macro of Linux is the drivers and bundled code is within the kernal in protected more and not in users space. fundamentally they are the same POSIX-like oss's | Jun 11 21:58 |
| Boblinux | Is there anyway I can view my linux drive in windows? | Jun 11 21:58 |
| Boblinux | I need my music | Jun 11 21:58 |
| DaemonXP | Linux can unload or load drivers if they are compiled as modules | Jun 11 21:58 |
| DaemonXP | the downside is that it takes longer to load a module | Jun 11 21:58 |
| DaemonXP | so the obvious stuff should always be compiled in | Jun 11 21:59 |
| balzac | Boblinux: maybe if you run GNU/Linux virtually on *cough* windows, you can access the drive's contents | Jun 11 21:59 |
| DaemonXP | and you have to compile in keyboard drivers ;) | Jun 11 21:59 |
| balzac | why don't you stop using Microsoft windows? | Jun 11 21:59 |
| balzac | spare yourself the headache | Jun 11 21:59 |
| Boblinux | Because I still need it | Jun 11 21:59 |
| balzac | ok | Jun 11 21:59 |
| balzac | -> back to work | Jun 11 21:59 |
| Balrog | Boblinux: there's eft2fsd but I'm not responsible if your data goes away | Jun 11 22:01 |
| Boblinux | I can't find anything on "eft2fsd" | Jun 11 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Anyone ever heard of Digital Design Co? "develops Linux-based middleware..." http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUST112CMFSW20090611 | Jun 11 22:03 |
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| DaemonXP | KDE has expanded in too many directions, and distros are only making it worse | Jun 11 22:05 |
| DaemonXP | There's already Konqueror for example, but then they add a bunch of Xulrunner dependencies, which means Firefox is only another 3 megs | Jun 11 22:05 |
| DaemonXP | so now I have two browsers I might not want | Jun 11 22:06 |
| DaemonXP | and they have to be there even if I use something else | Jun 11 22:06 |
| DaemonXP | sound familiar? | Jun 11 22:06 |
| DaemonXP | the only thing that I feel I'm losing by choosing GNOME is Amarok, which is quite possibly the best media player on Linux | Jun 11 22:07 |
| DaemonXP | it's obvious Banshee is an attempt to copy it | Jun 11 22:07 |
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| DaemonXP | but if you use GNOME and bring in Banshee it adds more complication to your system than using GNOME and bringing in Amarok | Jun 11 22:08 |
| DaemonXP | and now that's bad | Jun 11 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Amarok is nice | Jun 11 22:08 |
| schestowitz | But maybe more than I need | Jun 11 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | I could do equally well with xmms | Jun 11 22:09 |
| DaemonXP | it is, probably the finest app of its class | Jun 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Same features where it matters. | Jun 11 22:09 |
| DaemonXP | and of course it's part of the Clusterfuck Desktop | Jun 11 22:09 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | But the footprint isn't too bad on this computer, so I use it on others | Jun 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonXP: nope | Jun 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I like KDE and I liked what I saw in KDE4 | Jun 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | 4.1 I think | Jun 11 22:09 |
| balzac | Maybe I should try Amarok | Jun 11 22:09 |
| DaemonXP | I've tried Mandriva KDE | Jun 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | 4.2.2? | Jun 11 22:10 |
| DaemonXP | I'm just not real happy with it | Jun 11 22:10 |
| DaemonXP | yeah | Jun 11 22:10 |
| balzac | I was discriminating against it because of KDE | Jun 11 22:10 |
| DaemonXP | just now | Jun 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Well, that means it's good | Jun 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Daemon_XP_!! | Jun 11 22:10 |
| balzac | but Gnome has really lost the 'moral high-ground' with the Mono tryst | Jun 11 22:10 |
| DaemonXP | gave it about an hour, had it set up to where I could live with it | Jun 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It's like Ballmer saying Linux is OK | Jun 11 22:10 |
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| balzac | Gnome is getting too fat and lazy, apparently | Jun 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | wb, fewa | Jun 11 22:10 |
| DaemonXP | KDE is getting worse IMO | Jun 11 22:10 |
| DaemonXP | especially if you own a recent NVidia card | Jun 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | The edits in Wikipedia in ODF have neen better recently | Jun 11 22:11 |
| balzac | I don't doubt that, but I might try Amarok | Jun 11 22:11 |
| DaemonXP | KWin likes to freeze and do bad things | Jun 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | GL and Weir scared the shills away | Jun 11 22:11 |
| DaemonXP | still too buggy on Nvidia | Jun 11 22:11 |
| DaemonXP | Mandriva will let you use Compiz with KDE though | Jun 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Same in 2008.1 | Jun 11 22:11 |
| DaemonXP | so you have redundant compositing managers too :P | Jun 11 22:11 |
| *schestowitz uses 2008.1 with Compiz in KDE 3.5.9 | Jun 11 22:11 | |
| balzac | songbird is pretty good | Jun 11 22:12 |
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| balzac | I'll check out Amarok, because I'm over the Gnome/KDE squabble | Jun 11 22:12 |
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| DaemonXP | well, for some reason Mandriva was conned into using Beagle Desktop Search | Jun 11 22:12 |
| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ | Jun 11 22:12 |
| DaemonXP | like Suse | Jun 11 22:13 |
| MinceR | so am i, i guess | Jun 11 22:13 |
| *MinceR mixes gnome and kde | Jun 11 22:13 | |
| DaemonXP | Tracker is a better indexing service | Jun 11 22:13 |
| DaemonXP | why the hell do they insist on Beagle? | Jun 11 22:13 |
| balzac | I have konqueror | Jun 11 22:13 |
| balzac | as well as conkeror | Jun 11 22:14 |
| balzac | i prefer conkeror | Jun 11 22:14 |
| DaemonXP | Mandriva has been sending me coupons | Jun 11 22:14 |
| DaemonXP | discounts if I want a box set | Jun 11 22:14 |
| schestowitz | We have folks from http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?groupid=408 | Jun 11 22:14 |
| DaemonXP | I might use the 10% off one for Mandriva Flash | Jun 11 22:15 |
| DaemonXP | that could prove useful | Jun 11 22:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT bengoldacre Scientists rape the moon: that's not nice http://tr.im/obkr | Jun 11 22:15 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hopes to starve Mandriva before MS goes out of conrol (or business) | Jun 11 22:15 |
| DaemonXP | Mandriva tends to be hugely overlooked | Jun 11 22:16 |
| DaemonXP | in the US at least | Jun 11 22:16 |
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| DaemonXP | if you see anything in use in schools or libraries that's not Windows, it's Fedora or OpenSuse | Jun 11 22:16 |
| MinceR | i don't hear a lot about mandriva either | Jun 11 22:16 |
| DaemonXP | or some customized spinoff | Jun 11 22:16 |
| Papa_Chango | http://identi.ca/notice/5161920 Berners-Lee twittered: 'Agreed to advise UK govt about open data. Grass roots momentum + enthusiasm from the top + linked open data standards' | Jun 11 22:17 |
| DaemonXP | I did get a look at those systems in the computer lab and library at my brother's school | Jun 11 22:17 |
| DaemonXP | customized Fedora using terminal miltiplexing | Jun 11 22:17 |
| DaemonXP | *multiplexing | Jun 11 22:17 |
| DaemonXP | 1 box with 10 heads | Jun 11 22:17 |
| DaemonXP | probably saved them a fortune on electricity over Windows PCs | Jun 11 22:18 |
| balzac | sure | Jun 11 22:18 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: that was fast | Jun 11 22:18 |
| EDavidBurg | fwiw, I told them not to join... | Jun 11 22:18 |
| maxbaldwin | He's lying. He told everyone to get in here to discuss. | Jun 11 22:19 |
| DaemonXP | I've never seen Microsoft do a 10-headed PC | Jun 11 22:19 |
| DaemonXP | they usually just give the school 10 PCs | Jun 11 22:19 |
| Nullhead | I heard there was loldongs here. | Jun 11 22:19 |
| balzac | After Microsoft is drastically down-sized, I'm going to smoke a marijuana cigar | Jun 11 22:19 |
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| balzac | Because the market will be wide open for upstart companies | Jun 11 22:20 |
| DaemonXP | hmmm | Jun 11 22:20 |
| DaemonXP | just don't do it in Indiana | Jun 11 22:20 |
| DaemonXP | 1 year prison $5,000 fine | Jun 11 22:20 |
| DaemonXP | if less than an ounce | Jun 11 22:21 |
| balzac | My god | Jun 11 22:21 |
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| DaemonXP | if over, it's a felony | Jun 11 22:21 |
| DaemonXP | could become 5-10 years | Jun 11 22:21 |
| balzac | Indiana needs to get a reality check | Jun 11 22:21 |
| balzac | I'd go "cape fear" if I got a year for a joint. | Jun 11 22:21 |
| DaemonXP | that's if you get caught | Jun 11 22:22 |
| balzac | I loathe the drug-policy hypocrites | Jun 11 22:22 |
| DaemonXP | so far so good | Jun 11 22:22 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 22:22 |
| balzac | They are no better than the Stazi | Jun 11 22:22 |
| balzac | They are unamerican freedom haters | Jun 11 22:22 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, the only thing you can have are alcohol and tobacco | Jun 11 22:22 |
| balzac | I'll never forgive the scumbag politicians who persecute marijuana users | Jun 11 22:23 |
| DaemonXP | which actually cause death and bad health | Jun 11 22:23 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 22:23 |
| DaemonXP | but the taxes boss, the taxes!!! | Jun 11 22:23 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 22:23 |
| DaemonXP | it's all about taxes and control | Jun 11 22:24 |
| DaemonXP | when you smoke or drink, you hurt yourself and others and it leads to profit for the hospitals and drug companies | Jun 11 22:24 |
| DaemonXP | and you paid taxes, so the government is happy too | Jun 11 22:25 |
| MinceR | actually, freedom hating is pretty american nowadays :> | Jun 11 22:25 |
| DaemonXP | when you smoke pot, it doesn't hurt you and you can use it instead of dangerous prescriptions | Jun 11 22:25 |
| DaemonXP | so the industry has the govt outlaw it | Jun 11 22:25 |
| balzac | nowadecades, you mean? | Jun 11 22:25 |
| DaemonXP | and since it's outlawed, they can't collect taxes | Jun 11 22:25 |
| DaemonXP | so they hit you for tax evasion too | Jun 11 22:25 |
| balzac | I want anti-drug hypocrites to be forced to smoke marijuana | Jun 11 22:25 |
| MinceR | yes, nowadecades :) | Jun 11 22:25 |
| balzac | until they can comprehend how they shouldn't try to impose their will on others over minor choices in life | Jun 11 22:26 |
| balzac | I'd make them smoke like Rastafarians smoke | Jun 11 22:26 |
| DaemonXP | In Indiana, you commit two offenses when you are caught with an ounce of marijuana, Class A Misdemeanor for posession, and Class D Felony for tax evasion | Jun 11 22:26 |
| balzac | chop that weed with a machete, roll it into fat spliff, zombie bud that leaves them red-eyed and speechless | Jun 11 22:27 |
| DaemonXP | the law says you have to buy tax stamps and affix them to the bag of marijuana you have | Jun 11 22:27 |
| DaemonXP | only they don't make the stamps | Jun 11 22:27 |
| DaemonXP | and it's still illegal to have the marijuana | Jun 11 22:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 11 22:27 |
| balzac | Indiana has some rotten politicians | Jun 11 22:27 |
| DaemonXP | we do | Jun 11 22:27 |
| balzac | who is at fault for these drug laws? | Jun 11 22:27 |
| MinceR | there are rotten politicians pretty much everywhere | Jun 11 22:27 |
| balzac | yep | Jun 11 22:27 |
| DaemonXP | Mitch Daniels is the governor, he was Bush's appointment to the Office of Management and Budget | Jun 11 22:27 |
| DaemonXP | he's good at telling lies and hiding under his desk | Jun 11 22:28 |
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| balzac | scum | Jun 11 22:28 |
| DaemonXP | Office of Mismanagement and Crack Parties | Jun 11 22:28 |
| balzac | a Bush-appointee must be the lowest scum | Jun 11 22:28 |
| DaemonXP | is more like what went on there | Jun 11 22:28 |
| DaemonXP | under Bush's tenure | Jun 11 22:28 |
| DaemonXP | seriosuly, the Interior Dept had CRACK PARTIES | Jun 11 22:28 |
| DaemonXP | with prostitutes | Jun 11 22:29 |
| balzac | Bush was the worst pResident, the most un-american in my life, probably ever. | Jun 11 22:29 |
| DaemonXP | in the office at night | Jun 11 22:29 |
| DaemonXP | paid for by oil lobbyists | Jun 11 22:29 |
| _Mutex_ | not TWO term president Bush !!! :) | Jun 11 22:29 |
| balzac | I'm surprised it was meth and crack | Jun 11 22:29 |
| DaemonXP | oh yeah, that's the one | Jun 11 22:29 |
| DaemonXP | I voted for John Kerry | Jun 11 22:29 |
| balzac | Two election-stealing Resident Bush | Jun 11 22:29 |
| DaemonXP | just so we're clear | Jun 11 22:29 |
| DaemonXP | :P | Jun 11 22:29 |
| balzac | me too | Jun 11 22:29 |
| _Mutex_ | the world looks at bush and they say, WHY 2 terms !!! :) | Jun 11 22:30 |
| DaemonXP | I don't know | Jun 11 22:30 |
| DaemonXP | I think they need to look closer to home | Jun 11 22:30 |
| balzac | Bush who deserves life in prison | Jun 11 22:30 |
| DaemonXP | to their officials who are effectivey the errand boys to the American government | Jun 11 22:30 |
| DaemonXP | and ask why they have those guys in office | Jun 11 22:30 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: look at the Bush family, why two presidents, two governors? | Jun 11 22:31 |
| _Mutex_ | why the great nation of the US of A cant work that out in his first term is beyond me, (hanging chads pffft) | Jun 11 22:31 |
| balzac | the grandfather was busted for dealings with Nazis | Jun 11 22:31 |
| DaemonXP | voting fraud and apathy | Jun 11 22:31 |
| balzac | oh well... | Jun 11 22:31 |
| balzac | They're out of office but they're anti-American, "Christian-Taliban" laws remain. | Jun 11 22:32 |
| DaemonXP | none of the politicians in office worry about pissing off people my age | Jun 11 22:32 |
| _Mutex_ | Bush "I had business deals with Bin Ladin" but now im pres so your a baddie | Jun 11 22:32 |
| DaemonXP | cause most of us don't vote | Jun 11 22:32 |
| balzac | And when i have a headache, I can't get marijuana from a vending machine as I should be able to. | Jun 11 22:32 |
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| DaemonXP | then these old people get to the polls and demand more free shit | Jun 11 22:32 |
| DaemonXP | and the government rapes me and steals my money to give to them | Jun 11 22:32 |
| balzac | It makes me stomping mad. I want to stomp on their lexus'. | Jun 11 22:33 |
| balzac | whizz into their convertible luxury cars | Jun 11 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWgUup7D99I "This video contains an audio track that has not been authorised by WMG. The audio has been disabled. More about copyright" | Jun 11 22:33 |
| schestowitz | The copyrights zealots | Jun 11 22:33 |
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| DaemonXP | yeah | Jun 11 22:33 |
| DaemonXP | they do that on some of the rick rolls too | Jun 11 22:34 |
| schestowitz | They ruined the video to 'protect' some little segment of music | Jun 11 22:34 |
| DaemonXP | who knew the RIAA had taste? | Jun 11 22:34 |
| _Mutex_ | yes, I sometimes wonder what nice things a country could buy with 10 Billion dollars per month for 10 years, rather than spend it on military in the mid east !! | Jun 11 22:34 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: an education for the children of these 10s of millions of cretins who voted for Bush | Jun 11 22:34 |
| balzac | It's a travesty that these people can be so ignorant of science and history | Jun 11 22:35 |
| balzac | They must be educated before their descendents destroy America and the environment | Jun 11 22:35 |
| _Mutex_ | yes, or a good medical systems, or cancer research, or a few super computers, | Jun 11 22:35 |
| balzac | Education underlies all the other good aspects of society - medicine, engineering, information technology | Jun 11 22:36 |
| _Mutex_ | oh yea, education is the key | Jun 11 22:36 |
| balzac | These savages need education | Jun 11 22:36 |
| DaemonXP | yeah, they're only worried about whether they keep getting to go to the doctor for free | Jun 11 22:36 |
| DaemonXP | while I pay for it | Jun 11 22:36 |
| DaemonXP | and have no insurance for myself | Jun 11 22:36 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonXP is confirming that he is a drifter | Jun 11 22:37 |
| balzac | Bush voters are savages, in my opinion | Jun 11 22:37 |
| DaemonXP | that's the generation that gave us Bush twice | Jun 11 22:37 |
| _Mutex_ | LOL | Jun 11 22:37 |
| _Hicham_ | how comes that u have no insurance? | Jun 11 22:37 |
| _Mutex_ | more than twice | Jun 11 22:37 |
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| DaemonXP | if you aren't on a group plan, you get fucked | Jun 11 22:37 |
| Papa_Chango | Balzac: ALL US parties are on the same page for the WOMarijuana so they are equally responsible. | Jun 11 22:37 |
| Papa_Chango | THe last democrats are the one who militarized it (General Mcaffrey), started busting dying patients and doubled the arrests per year to the current 750,000 a year level. | Jun 11 22:37 |
| DaemonXP | you have $400 a month you want to give me? | Jun 11 22:37 |
| balzac | WOMarijuana? | Jun 11 22:37 |
| balzac | wtf is that? | Jun 11 22:37 |
| balzac | war on? | Jun 11 22:38 |
| Papa_Chango | WOD is really the War On Marijuana | Jun 11 22:38 |
| balzac | ok | Jun 11 22:38 |
| _Hicham_ | though u are an experienced programmer, u can't afford to pay $400/month? | Jun 11 22:38 |
| balzac | yeah, General Mcaffrey, the Butcher of Gulf War I | Jun 11 22:38 |
| balzac | a man with no honor | Jun 11 22:38 |
| _Mutex_ | having said that I made a huge amount of money from the US and Australia military in teh middle each and pakistan | Jun 11 22:38 |
| _Mutex_ | HUGE money !!!! :) | Jun 11 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Murduch is coming apart... More Layoffs Expected At MySpace < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/06/11/more-layoffs-expected-at-myspace > | Jun 11 22:39 |
| balzac | hell yes | Jun 11 22:39 |
| balzac | Murdoch is despicable | Jun 11 22:39 |
| balzac | Australia's worst export | Jun 11 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Next: Faux? | Jun 11 22:39 |
| DaemonXP | Fixed Noise Channel? | Jun 11 22:39 |
| DaemonXP | :) | Jun 11 22:40 |
| balzac | Murdoch's son and trophy wife probably pray for him to kick the bucket | Jun 11 22:40 |
| _Mutex_ | he was an australian, we gave him away to you,, sorry bout that chief | Jun 11 22:40 |
| balzac | the world loathes rupert murdoch | Jun 11 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll demote BillO to floor sweeper and GlennB to dustbin holder | Jun 11 22:40 |
| schestowitz | There's a good pairing right there | Jun 11 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Put to better use :-) | Jun 11 22:40 |
| balzac | They should be put on an island | Jun 11 22:41 |
| balzac | with no one but each other | Jun 11 22:41 |
| Papa_Chango | Roy: how strong do you think the opposition will be to Tim Berners lee if he pushes open data standards in UK gov? does his status make him bulletproof ? | Jun 11 22:41 |
| _Mutex_ | wait, if Murdoch falls apart, he might come back here !!! Eeeekk | Jun 11 22:41 |
| balzac | Papa_Chango: he'll be mocked by Microsoft toadies | Jun 11 22:42 |
| balzac | corporate shills will slime him | Jun 11 22:42 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: greet him at the airport with a back-handed slap | Jun 11 22:42 |
| tacone | schestowitz: slowly starting https://launchpad.net/mononono | Jun 11 22:42 |
| Papa_Chango | im sure they will and I expect it but Im curious, will they be able to because of who he is? | Jun 11 22:43 |
| tacone | schestowitz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mononono/+bugs | Jun 11 22:43 |
| _Mutex_ | if he is "who he is " as you say, most probably he wont wont to spend that cred on something that umm,, is not really politically valuable for him. | Jun 11 22:44 |
| balzac | Bush's favorite General, what's his name has named his horses "Shock and Awe" | Jun 11 22:44 |
| DaemonXP | Petraeus? | Jun 11 22:45 |
| balzac | no, the first guy | Jun 11 22:45 |
| balzac | Tommy Franks | Jun 11 22:45 |
| DaemonXP | General Betrayus | Jun 11 22:45 |
| DaemonXP | ;) | Jun 11 22:45 |
| _Mutex_ | powell? | Jun 11 22:46 |
| _Mutex_ | however its spelt | Jun 11 22:46 |
| DaemonXP | uhhhm | Jun 11 22:46 |
| balzac | DaemonXP: Petraeus may turn out alright. | Jun 11 22:46 |
| DaemonXP | well, I don't know what to make of him (Colin Powell) | Jun 11 22:46 |
| balzac | Colin Powell shook that little vial which allegedly contained some irrefutable evidence | Jun 11 22:47 |
| balzac | He'll never recover his honor from that. | Jun 11 22:47 |
| DaemonXP | he also endorsed Obama over McCain later | Jun 11 22:47 |
| balzac | yeah, but nevertheless | Jun 11 22:47 |
| DaemonXP | that's odd don't you think? | Jun 11 22:47 |
| balzac | he "posterized" himself, jiggling that little vial at the UN meeting | Jun 11 22:47 |
| _Mutex_ | not qute, he said "a vial this size" not THIS vile | Jun 11 22:47 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi again, i accidentally quit | Jun 11 22:48 |
| balzac | He's Bush's man-servant for history | Jun 11 22:48 |
| balzac | Generals aren't supposed to have remorse, in theory. | Jun 11 22:49 |
| DaemonXP | schestowitz: Mandriva GNOME is pretty clean/efficient | Jun 11 22:49 |
| DaemonXP | KDE version is "What the fuck" | Jun 11 22:49 |
| balzac | But to serve as propagandists... | Jun 11 22:49 |
| _Mutex_ | powell at that meeting did say they had confirmed INTEL that sadam had tonnes of it, that amazingly never appeard | Jun 11 22:49 |
| balzac | Powell is never going to live it down. | Jun 11 22:49 |
| balzac | Bush betrayed American national security, and Powell was his PR clown. | Jun 11 22:50 |
| _Mutex_ | because it was a flat out lie, | Jun 11 22:50 |
| _Mutex_ | to the UN | Jun 11 22:50 |
| balzac | no kidding | Jun 11 22:50 |
| wispygalaxy | he's just going to blame bush for all what happened and take no responsibility | Jun 11 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | with any of these statements, it boils down to "what ya gonna do about it?" when they're exposed as bullshit | Jun 11 22:50 |
| balzac | he should be about as welcome in the world as Henry Kissinger | Jun 11 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | if the bullshitters are in the position of doing what they want with no consiquences, they will | Jun 11 22:50 |
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| balzac | The problem is that activists have been all not for profit. You can't displace the ugliest corporations if you're non-profit. | Jun 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | IDG still seed many anti-FOSS posts: rebuttal: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090606/0653155150.shtml | Jun 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | tacone: excellent | Jun 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: wb | Jun 11 22:52 |
| balzac | How about this: Capital-activism | Jun 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Long call that was | Jun 11 22:52 |
| _Mutex_ | bush's total disregard for anything even remotely like conventions of war will be his legacy, the make it up as we go along leader | Jun 11 22:52 |
| balzac | for profit activism | Jun 11 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | hey roy! | Jun 11 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | i was just on COLA | Jun 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Papa_Chango: timbl is influential. But there's the likes of Newham in his way. | Jun 11 22:53 |
| balzac | Hopefully Bush will spend his final years in prison | Jun 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | They use IE | Jun 11 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | ewwwww | Jun 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | They hate BN :-) | Jun 11 22:53 |
| ThistleWeb | tada!!! CAPITAL ACTIVISM, prob solved with judicious use of the caps lock key | Jun 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Using IE means hatred for the web | Jun 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | timbl dinnounced IE in oublic | Jun 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | For not supporting SVG, for starters | Jun 11 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | i have portable firefox for whenever there's no IE on a computer | Jun 11 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | luckily, the school computers have firefox | Jun 11 22:53 |
| balzac | The best "Capitalactivist" has got to be George Soros | Jun 11 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | *no firefox | Jun 11 22:54 |
| schestowitz | ms: wtf is timbl? we owns teh webs now. activex ftw! | Jun 11 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | brb in 3 minutes, sry | Jun 11 22:54 |
| balzac | ThistleWeb: I just got your joke ;-) | Jun 11 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: which Bush? :-) | Jun 11 22:54 |
| _Mutex_ | how can someone who uses FOSS be a "free loader" ? | Jun 11 22:54 |
| schestowitz | * balzac | Jun 11 22:55 |
| Papa_Chango | If you put Bush in jail, you would have to do it for all the criminals before and after. Clinton bombed twice as many countries as Shrub. | Jun 11 22:55 |
| balzac | Junior | Jun 11 22:55 |
| balzac | Papa_Chango: Clinton's death toll was much less. | Jun 11 22:55 |
| ThistleWeb | balzac: sometimes my jokes take a bit of time to hit, other times they fall flat, I'm used to being hit-and-miss | Jun 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | _Mutex_: in MS universe there has to be something wrong with FOSS | Jun 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | And fake fights | Jun 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | The illusion of disagreement and loathing in FOSS | Jun 11 22:56 |
| Papa_Chango | A war crime is a war crime, it does not depend on death tolls. | Jun 11 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | MS is compatible with FOSS | Jun 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | As if it's all burned and fragmented | Jun 11 22:56 |
| balzac | Papa_Chango: you could make an exception of Bush | Jun 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | MSFTer was the source of this latest FUD | Jun 11 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft has a multitude of Licenses | Jun 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I think IDG pushed it to /. | Jun 11 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | including MSPL | Jun 11 22:56 |
| _Mutex_ | as does FOSS | Jun 11 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | MSPL is GPL compatible | Jun 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | MSGPl | Jun 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | That sounds similar to GPL | Jun 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | So it's probably the smae | Jun 11 22:57 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u want more? | Jun 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Shared source sounds like Open source | Jun 11 22:57 |
| _Hicham_ | they have the shared code license | Jun 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Office Open XML sounds like OpenOIffice | Jun 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Probably the same then | Jun 11 22:57 |
| _Mutex_ | collaborative software | Jun 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jun 11 22:57 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, shared is better than no source | Jun 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Embrace, extends.. | Jun 11 22:57 |
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| ThistleWeb | it'd be interesting to put together a presentation slides with side by side open formats / products etc next to the MS soundalike equivelants | Jun 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Saturate and diffuse | Jun 11 22:58 |
| ThistleWeb | to show the pattern | Jun 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | it's intentional | Jun 11 22:58 |
| _Mutex_ | what good is the right to view the source code for a non-programmer ? | Jun 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Many other names like that | Jun 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Palm controversy.. | Jun 11 22:58 |
| ThistleWeb | you'd think Palm would be a natural partner for porn distributors eh? | Jun 11 22:59 |
| Papa_Chango | MS-PL is NOT compatible with GPL and dont kid yourself, this was not by accident. | Jun 11 22:59 |
| schestowitz | There are many 'alliances' in the FOSS world, like this one: http://www.idevnews.com/IntegrationNews.asp?ID=904 | Jun 11 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Usually little comes out of them apaet from a press rleease | Jun 11 22:59 |
| balzac | _Mutex_: it gives one the opportunity to compile on your own machine | Jun 11 22:59 |
| balzac | it's fundamental to security | Jun 11 22:59 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, Kleenex too | Jun 11 23:00 |
| balzac | even if you're not a programmer, you can have programs which audit your code before compiling | Jun 11 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Papa_Chango: yes, of course | Jun 11 23:00 |
| _Mutex_ | yes it does, but if y our a non-programmer, its not lickly that you will need or want or be able to do that | Jun 11 23:00 |
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| balzac | you might want features which do that | Jun 11 23:00 |
| balzac | you might prefer an OS which has that transparency for the trust | Jun 11 23:01 |
| balzac | also you want licenses you can trust | Jun 11 23:01 |
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| _Mutex_ | I license you can trust but it has in BIG writing that there is NO responsibilty implied or in this product or however its worded, basically saying if its screws up bad luck. | Jun 11 23:02 |
| _Mutex_ | reading that does not instill trust in the average person. | Jun 11 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Why would Citrixsoft touch Linux? http://www.von.com/news/citrix-open-source-network-vendor-vyatta.html | Jun 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't get the idea here | Jun 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | With Xen they could screw Linux and promote Windows | Jun 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Which they did | Jun 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | But what can they do to Vyatta | Jun 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jun 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | It's a distro | Jun 11 23:04 |
| Papa_Chango | Linux Netbook has Norton 360 antivirus option for only £59.99. Quick before they sell out!!! | Jun 11 23:04 |
| Papa_Chango | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-11-026-35-NW-DT | Jun 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | w00t | Jun 11 23:05 |
| _Mutex_ | norton, what, who in their right mind would EVER touch norton, the single worst POS software ever created. | Jun 11 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Does it run Ok under wine? | Jun 11 23:05 |
| _Mutex_ | AVGFree, no overhead, almost zero fingerprint, works in background, you forget its there, and its free. | Jun 11 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm back again! :) | Jun 11 23:09 |
| ThistleWeb | I sometimes wonder if newbies to Linux think "does it run with Wine" means"does it run when you're drunk" and think WTF? | Jun 11 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Jun 11 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | type it as WINE maybe to prevent confusion | Jun 11 23:10 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, although that could be seen as a drunken shout | Jun 11 23:10 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jun 11 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | XD | Jun 11 23:10 |
| ThistleWeb | then "free as in beer" | Jun 11 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | i thought wine was more sophisticated than that lol | Jun 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | At HP, GNU/Linux is $50 cheaper than Windows: http://ping.fm/VaRAa | Jun 11 23:10 |
| ThistleWeb | kinda focuses on the alcahol ellements | Jun 11 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | yes lol | Jun 11 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | linux makes things less expensive, we can agree | Jun 11 23:11 |
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| _Mutex_ | I wish they drop the "free as in beer" line, for a start its wrong, second, I want some free beer pls | Jun 11 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | go to any college party :P | Jun 11 23:12 |
| _Mutex_ | the original line was something like "free as in freedom, NOT free as in Beer", which only makes slightly more sense than before but not much. | Jun 11 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | i heard that one | Jun 11 23:13 |
| _Mutex_ | college beer might be free to me if I smooch it, but someone has to pay for it, | Jun 11 23:14 |
| _Mutex_ | wispy its a RMS quite i believe | Jun 11 23:14 |
| _Mutex_ | probably badly mangled by me | Jun 11 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | i got the jist of it ;) | Jun 11 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | RMS said a lot of profound things | Jun 11 23:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux progress in Cuba http://ping.fm/HL07R | Jun 11 23:15 | |
| schestowitz | _Mutex_: does RMS drink? | Jun 11 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Genuine curiousity | Jun 11 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [alcoholic beverages] | Jun 11 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I get the feeling he dont | Jun 11 23:15 |
| _Mutex_ | he's also said a few quite marginal things, as has Linus, | Jun 11 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I think he emphasised free as in free speech] | Jun 11 23:16 |
| _Mutex_ | I have no idea, | Jun 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Not sure about the beer as much | Jun 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | MS coined "no free lunch" I think | Jun 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | In this context that is | Jun 11 23:16 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi there | Jun 11 23:16 |
| _Mutex_ | im not sure of the etomology of "a free lunch" | Jun 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Hey Mister | Jun 11 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | it's an old economics joke | Jun 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Wikipedia has the link to the genesis of the term | Jun 11 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | i was told that joke the first day of AP Economics | Jun 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Another is "belt and braces exercise" | Jun 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | My fellow researchers say "free lunch" | Jun 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | But in a different context | Jun 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Derivation of proofs and such | Jun 11 23:18 |
| wispygalaxy | ah i see | Jun 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | It's not a FOSS slur exclusivekly | Jun 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | IBM eyes opportunity in G2009 failure < http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=C5C40647-1A64-6A71-CEDACCB75161A597 > | Jun 11 23:18 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, i hear it in other contexts | Jun 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Down goes one nasty, in comes the older one | Jun 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Smelliing taxpayers' cash | Jun 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | *snifff sniff* | Jun 11 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | hands off! | Jun 11 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | hehe | Jun 11 23:19 |
| _Mutex_ | Free lunch from U.S litiature from the 1870's, refers to a tradition once found in saloons, that promoted a "Free lunch" as long as you purchase at lease 1 drink | Jun 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | So which company will citizens be sold to? | Jun 11 23:19 |
| _Mutex_ | So there WAS such a thing as a free lunch | Jun 11 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | i can't believe GM was sold to the govt. | Jun 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Rather tha NZ giving the contracts to locals with FOSS | Jun 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | IBM and MS have colonies | Jun 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | They have things called MS NZ | Jun 11 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | argh, someone's calling me again. brb | Jun 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | And they'll pretend they are part of the demography | Jun 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Like, "hey! We're local. Really!" | Jun 11 23:20 |
| schestowitz | That's how they also get to write policy | Jun 11 23:20 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01 knows | Jun 11 23:20 |
| _Mutex_ | MS has branches in lots of countries, as does Linux | Jun 11 23:20 |
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| ThistleWeb | oh, schestowitz I emailed tesco about the windows policy, and got a response | Jun 11 23:20 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy a busy lady today.. :-| | Jun 11 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | glocalization i think | Jun 11 23:20 |
| ThistleWeb | "I'm concerned to learn that you feel the information in our Spring/Summer Tesco Direct catalogue regarding the Windows Vista is there due to endorsement money paid to Tesco from Microsoft." | Jun 11 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | yes i am! | Jun 11 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | i've been catching up on email | Jun 11 23:21 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: can you forward me that? | Jun 11 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Pls | Jun 11 23:21 |
| schestowitz | roy @ myname .com | Jun 11 23:21 |
| ThistleWeb | on condition that you mask my email address | Jun 11 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Jun 11 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I always do | Jun 11 23:22 |
| schestowitz | the Coop Marketing thing of MS needs to be public knowledge | Jun 11 23:22 |
| schestowitz | With proof, not just speculations | Jun 11 23:22 |
| _Mutex_ | proof is great, speculations are suspect :) | Jun 11 23:22 |
| wispygalaxy | hey, who doesn't like to gossip at times... | Jun 11 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | :P | Jun 11 23:23 |
| _Mutex_ | LOL, | Jun 11 23:23 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: in the news: http://linuxmednews.com/1244380659 (New Jersey to make open source EMRs illegal) | Jun 11 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Novatech UK is filled with MS ad garbage | Jun 11 23:24 |
| schestowitz | But they sell with Linux or no OS | Jun 11 23:24 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks for the link, roy | Jun 11 23:24 |
| schestowitz | They just need the MS money they get from pretending EveryoneLovesWindows | Jun 11 23:24 |
| schestowitz | "People everywhere love Windows." -- Bill Gates | Jun 11 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how he knew | Jun 11 23:24 |
| schestowitz | People don't choose Windows | Jun 11 23:24 |
| schestowitz | The OEMs 'choose' FOR them | Jun 11 23:24 |
| wispygalaxy | not me, that's for sure | Jun 11 23:25 |
| MinceR | he told them to | Jun 11 23:25 |
| wispygalaxy | what a bully | Jun 11 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | sent to roy@myname.com ? not boycottnovell? | Jun 11 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jun 11 23:25 |
| wispygalaxy | roy has a personal email | Jun 11 23:25 |
| schestowitz | my surname | Jun 11 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | gotchat | Jun 11 23:25 |
| wispygalaxy | i have no trouble spelling it | Jun 11 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | was confuzled there | Jun 11 23:25 |
| wispygalaxy | that's a new term for me haha | Jun 11 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: it should be sent ok now | Jun 11 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | @schestowitz.com ? Not there yet | Jun 11 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | yes | Jun 11 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | it bounced | Jun 11 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | hang on | Jun 11 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | apparently a forwarded email is a "potentially exectutable attachment" | Jun 11 23:33 |
| schestowitz | The pro-Microsoft Gavin Clarke on Microvell: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/11/microsoft_novell_recessionary_claims/ | Jun 11 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | sent again | Jun 11 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Try it inline | Jun 11 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | FFS | Jun 11 23:35 |
| _Mutex_ | get roy to send you an email, and reply to it | Jun 11 23:35 |
| schestowitz | I'd post it tomorrow with context | Jun 11 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | I'll copy it en masse in plain text | Jun 11 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Windows zombies killed mail | Jun 11 23:35 |
| schestowitz | In the past, filters were not required | Jun 11 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Now over 90% of E-mail is spewed from winzombies | Jun 11 23:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Inquirer seems dead today and it has been sporadic for weeks/months. Maybe it's terminal. :-( | Jun 11 23:40 | |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: with a bit of luck you should get it this time | Jun 11 23:42 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya guys, i have to eat dinner | Jun 11 23:42 |
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| wispygalaxy | take care for now, roy! xx | Jun 11 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: excellent, got IT! | Jun 11 23:45 |
| ThistleWeb | cool | Jun 11 23:45 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont have any need to forward emails so I never really learned how | Jun 11 23:46 |
| ThistleWeb | if I get any updates I'll let you know | Jun 11 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I might as well not hide Tesco as a party | Jun 11 23:46 |
| schestowitz | They are a big business | Jun 11 23:46 |
| schestowitz | In other leaks we needed to hide shop identities | Jun 11 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Before filtering better I was getting thousands of spam/day | Jun 11 23:47 |
| _Mutex_ | did the email contain any non-distribute or re-use warning ? alot of business do that these days | Jun 11 23:49 |
| ThistleWeb | _Mutex_: nope | Jun 11 23:49 |
| ThistleWeb | surprisingly | Jun 11 23:49 |
| _Mutex_ | yes, surprising | Jun 11 23:49 |
| schestowitz | I sort of agreed with Asay that there's no point giving Novell attention in relation to their PR junk | Jun 11 23:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft/Novell are not telling the whole story. Why is PR being forwarded as news? http://ping.fm/BY7hD | Jun 11 23:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmph... http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/06/hands-on-new-fedora-release-goes-up-to-11-but-doesnt-rock.ars | Jun 11 23:52 |
| schestowitz | _Mutex_: none that I can see | Jun 11 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Weird that I fell off freenode for a second there. very rare... | Jun 11 23:54 |
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| starcannon | Hi everyone | Jun 11 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Welcome, starcannon | Jun 11 23:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz a friend's started writing for el Reg instead. they seduced and corrupted him by offering payment. | Jun 11 23:55 | |
| starcannon | Hiya Schestowitz | Jun 11 23:56 |
| starcannon | just read some of your articles that you linked from fsdaily, some good stuff | Jun 11 23:56 |
| schestowitz | That Fink guy gives us a bad name... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/01/banning-opposition-to-mono/comment-page-1/#comment-66024 | Jun 11 23:58 |
| schestowitz | And he previously confronted Mark S too | Jun 11 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I hope people don't associated us with foul-mouthed ones who link to us.. | Jun 11 23:59 |
| schestowitz | starcannon: thanks | Jun 11 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Some evil people modbomb against us | Jun 11 23:59 |
| schestowitz | They try to shut us up | Jun 11 23:59 |
| schestowitz | And spoil sites like fsdaily in the process, sadly | Jun 11 23:59 |
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