IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: June 21st, 2009

schestowitzViruses and allJun 21 00:00
_Hicham_you need an infinite sum of money to use WindowsJun 21 00:00
schestowitzThey don't count itJun 21 00:00
_Hicham_Windows =$300Jun 21 00:00
schestowitz"But as the Yankee Group commented in an independent, non-sponsored..."Jun 21 00:00
ugufjhfjlolJun 21 00:00
_Hicham_Antivirus = $100Jun 21 00:00
schestowitz"Yankee's study concluded that, in large enterprises, a significant Linux..."Jun 21 00:00
ugufjhfjfully independentJun 21 00:01
schestowitz"Yankee also noted that, for larger organizations..."Jun 21 00:01
_Hicham_Office = $2500Jun 21 00:01
schestowitzToo bad they don't say what Yankee Group ISJun 21 00:01
ThistleWebwas it on BN I heard the UK govt have to now look at escape cost when evaluating contracts? How much it would cost to migrate away from a solution if it's not renewed?Jun 21 00:01
_Hicham_frequency of Windows Backups?Jun 21 00:01
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+yankee&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=enJun 21 00:01
_Hicham_every dayJun 21 00:02
_Hicham_the system may break at any momentJun 21 00:02
schestowitzThistleWeb: probably a lotJun 21 00:02
schestowitzBut Neham would not upgradeJun 21 00:02
_Hicham_provided security patches ?Jun 21 00:02
schestowitzThey are colluding with MSJun 21 00:02
_Hicham_almost noneJun 21 00:02
schestowitzAnd they hate meJun 21 00:02
schestowitzI was toldJun 21 00:02
_Hicham_can u find a schestowitz like in MS?Jun 21 00:02
_Hicham_absolutely not !Jun 21 00:02
_Hicham_schestowitz : lets start a businessJun 21 00:03
schestowitzAnalysts are just an extension of the PR industryJun 21 00:03
schestowitzThey are just called something elseJun 21 00:03
schestowitzMany analysts become PR/press people and vice versaJun 21 00:03
schestowitzThese things are interchangeable.Jun 21 00:04
_Hicham_analysts?Jun 21 00:04
_Hicham_hahaJun 21 00:04
_Hicham_great termJun 21 00:04
schestowitzanal-ystsJun 21 00:04
_Hicham_yes, that is correctJun 21 00:04
_Hicham_as they sell their asses for nothingJun 21 00:04
schestowitzThat's where money isJun 21 00:04
schestowitzLyingJun 21 00:04
schestowitzFightingJun 21 00:04
schestowitzDestoryingJun 21 00:04
schestowitzStealingJun 21 00:04
schestowitzForcing salesJun 21 00:04
schestowitzThat's where the money isJun 21 00:04
schestowitzIn being jerksJun 21 00:04
schestowitzThere is money in ethical thingsJun 21 00:05
schestowitzBut not as muchJun 21 00:05
_Hicham_hating schestowitz also brings a lot of moneyJun 21 00:05
schestowitzMaybe Web hitsJun 21 00:05
schestowitzThe anti-me postsJun 21 00:05
schestowitzBut they achieve nothingJun 21 00:05
schestowitzThey only give exposureJun 21 00:05
_Hicham_schestowitz : Ryan is still banned?Jun 21 00:16
schestowitzNopeJun 21 00:17
_Hicham_goodJun 21 00:17
schestowitzgnJun 21 00:17
_Hicham_gnJun 21 00:17
ugufjhfjgnJun 21 00:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Microshaft Stops Support of Oracle : http://digg.com/d1uOv5?tJun 21 00:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] 10 reasons why open source makes sense on smart phones: http://digg.com/d1uOvZ?tJun 21 00:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Ubuntu Ultimate Edition 2.2 Released !!!: http://digg.com/d1uOy1?tJun 21 00:42
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_Hicham_wb Senor taconeJun 21 01:05
_Hicham_our MaffiosoJun 21 01:05
taconehelloJun 21 01:05
taconethey want to strip gimpJun 21 01:05
_Hicham_why don't u use Linux?Jun 21 01:05
_Hicham_who are those?Jun 21 01:06
tacone_Hicham_: guess who..Jun 21 01:06
taconei'll post shortly about itJun 21 01:06
taconeI don't use linux because I'm in limited connection availability modeJun 21 01:06
_Hicham_are u at work?Jun 21 01:06
taconeand that gives me the motivation to try out macosx.Jun 21 01:06
taconei pretty much hate macosx, but i'm trying it out anyway.Jun 21 01:07
_Hicham_u gotta try openSUSEJun 21 01:07
_Hicham_11.2Jun 21 01:07
taconeoh, nice distro.Jun 21 01:07
taconei should try that.Jun 21 01:07
taconehope it fries my network card.Jun 21 01:07
_Hicham_mono is easily removableJun 21 01:07
_Hicham_takes less than 10 secondsJun 21 01:08
_Hicham_Ubuntu is more likely to fry ur network cardJun 21 01:08
_Hicham_what card do u have?Jun 21 01:08
_Hicham_intel card?Jun 21 01:08
taconedunnoJun 21 01:08
taconei heard about that bug, though :)Jun 21 01:08
_Hicham_ubuntu kernel patches did thatJun 21 01:08
_Hicham_it is not an upstream bugJun 21 01:09
_Hicham_for how long have u used ubuntu?Jun 21 01:09
_Hicham_it was in 8.10 kernel i thinkJun 21 01:09
taconesince 6.05Jun 21 01:10
tacone6.06Jun 21 01:10
_Hicham_are u using Jaunty?Jun 21 01:10
taconeyup.Jun 21 01:11
taconei was :)Jun 21 01:11
_Hicham_and u wiped it off ur hd?Jun 21 01:12
taconeno, but i'm from the other partitionJun 21 01:14
taconetethering my cell from ubuntu would require effort.Jun 21 01:14
taconeand configuring ubuntu to run decently on a macbook requires time.Jun 21 01:14
taconei did configure everything with intrepid, but didn't do it in Jaunty yet.Jun 21 01:14
_Hicham_why not just upgrade?Jun 21 01:15
taconei hate upgrading.Jun 21 01:15
taconeupgrade is a bug prone program.Jun 21 01:15
taconebtw, i used this laptop to try out the jaunty betaJun 21 01:15
_Hicham_and how was ur review of it?Jun 21 01:16
taconethat time, the mactel repos wer not readyJun 21 01:16
_Hicham_they seem to focus more on i386/x86_64Jun 21 01:17
taconereview of jaunty ? nice boot time improvements. the rest was worthless.Jun 21 01:17
taconenotifications can be good. but not that importantJun 21 01:17
taconeand they're being fundamentalist about them.Jun 21 01:17
taconehttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/interactive-notifications-mockup/Jun 21 01:18
_Hicham_those notifications are uselessJun 21 01:20
_Hicham_instead of contributing to existing notification daemon, they made their own crapJun 21 01:20
_Hicham_boot improvements are also made by fedora and openSUSEJun 21 01:21
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_Hicham_openSUSE and Fedora are slow at GNOME loginJun 21 01:21
_Hicham_the boot is really fastJun 21 01:21
_Hicham_especially openSUSE 11.2Jun 21 01:21
tacone*we have a vision*Jun 21 01:26
taconeof course.Jun 21 01:26
taconeubuntu lives on other people code.Jun 21 01:26
_Hicham_GNOME still needs improvementsJun 21 01:27
MinceRthat's what all distros do.Jun 21 01:27
tacone_Hicham_: like a replacement ? :)Jun 21 01:27
_Hicham_MinceR : not all distrosJun 21 01:27
_Hicham_tacone : why a replacement?Jun 21 01:27
taconefedora contributes a lot of code.Jun 21 01:27
taconeto get rid of stupid things.Jun 21 01:27
taconelike gtk, hig and monoJun 21 01:28
_Hicham_Fedora doesn't contribute to MonoJun 21 01:28
MinceR_Hicham_: so which distro codes its own kernel, userland utilities, windowing system and desktop environment?Jun 21 01:28
_Hicham_MinceR : Fedora almost does thatJun 21 01:28
MinceRinterestingJun 21 01:28
_Hicham_they contribute the most to KernelJun 21 01:28
taconeMinceR: isn't it weird that all the distros are planning fast boot at the same time ?Jun 21 01:28
MinceRso which ones do they have in place of Linux, GNU, X and GNOME/KDE?Jun 21 01:28
taconewho was the first ?Jun 21 01:29
_Hicham_they contribute the most to gnomeJun 21 01:29
_Hicham_RedHat hosts GNOMEJun 21 01:29
taconelike Intrepid Ibex (tap in wireless network anywhere !)Jun 21 01:29
_Hicham_RedHat+Novell=Linux Main DevelopmentJun 21 01:30
taconethat feature is just the newer version of NetworkManagerJun 21 01:30
taconethey just included the new upstream versionJun 21 01:30
_Hicham_did u read Greg Kroah Hartman's article about Linux ecosystem?Jun 21 01:30
_Hicham_NetworkManager is made by RedHat and NovellJun 21 01:30
taconeso, not an ubuntu feature.Jun 21 01:31
_Hicham_RedHat is Linux Authority N°1Jun 21 01:31
_Hicham_Followed by NovellJun 21 01:31
_Hicham_those are FactsJun 21 01:31
MinceRwell, better bow down to novell thenJun 21 01:31
_Hicham_MinceR : what do u mean?Jun 21 01:31
MinceRand force red hat's "computer-implemented inventions" on all countriesJun 21 01:32
taconeNovell is good. that doesnt mean they're not corrupt.Jun 21 01:32
MinceR_Hicham_: i thought you were aware of what this channel was about.Jun 21 01:32
_Hicham_MinceR : it is about the risks of MonoJun 21 01:32
taconeMinceR: truth is truth.Jun 21 01:32
MinceR_Hicham_: can't you see beyond mono, then?Jun 21 01:32
_Hicham_I already created a mononono package for RPM distributionsJun 21 01:32
_Hicham_MinceR : what is beyond Mono?Jun 21 01:33
_Hicham_Microsoft taking ownership of Linux?Jun 21 01:33
MinceR_Hicham_: indeed. linux patent FUD.Jun 21 01:34
_Hicham_well, Novell contributes a lot to LinuxJun 21 01:34
_Hicham_and that is a factJun 21 01:34
_Hicham_more than IBM, Oracle, HP, Intel and the others doJun 21 01:35
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MinceRright, then let's just forget that they're trying to destroy it.Jun 21 01:39
_Hicham_why not take what is good from them and let them the mono side?Jun 21 01:41
_Hicham_we are benefiting from kernel patchesJun 21 01:41
_Hicham_while they offer their customers Mono supportJun 21 01:41
_Hicham_plus, no corporate vendor can offer MonoJun 21 01:41
MinceRit isn't just monoJun 21 01:41
_Hicham_what else?Jun 21 01:41
MinceRalso, novell as a corporate vendor does offer monoJun 21 01:42
MinceR025055 < MinceR> _Hicham_: indeed. linux patent FUD.Jun 21 01:42
_Hicham_Novell onlyJun 21 01:43
_Hicham_no other canJun 21 01:43
_Hicham_because of patentsJun 21 01:43
_Hicham_Miguel de Icaza said that itselfJun 21 01:44
_Hicham_if u want Mono, u have to pay MicrosoftJun 21 01:44
_Hicham_it is as simple as thatJun 21 01:46
_Hicham_Mono will be just legacy when Microsoft will dieJun 21 01:47
taconedisconnecting bye.Jun 21 01:49
_Hicham_bye taconeJun 21 01:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Microsoft Antitrust: Exposing the Evil Empire: http://digg.com/d1uPSx?tJun 21 03:37
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fewahttp://www.tauss.de/index.php?nr=26398&menu=1 SPD member joins PPJun 21 04:58
fewaof germanyJun 21 04:58
fewaso 2 Pirate Party MPs nowJun 21 04:59
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twitterAnother big fraud.  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_wEjSEl2u58Jun 21 05:19
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TempfileOEM's descover, that even if they ship Linux, if the customers do not want it they cant sell it. (or give it away).Jun 21 07:09
Tempfilehttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090619161307529#c763977Jun 21 07:09
DaemonXPwell, the funny thing is that they've managed to graft on support for the latest stuff onto XPJun 21 07:11
DaemonXPand it worksJun 21 07:11
DaemonXPeven at 8 years old the damned thing still worksJun 21 07:11
DaemonXPfunny thatJun 21 07:11
DaemonXPthey have a Acer netbook at Walmart I was looking at earlierJun 21 07:12
DaemonXPloaded, with bluetooth, firewire ports, built in webcam, built in wirelessJun 21 07:12
Omar871Hi thereJun 21 07:13
DaemonXPthe thing would be like getting castrated without anesthetics with UbuntuJun 21 07:13
DaemonXPhell, half the time USB gadgets don't workJun 21 07:13
Omar871God! I hated this article: http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-novell.htmlJun 21 07:13
Tempfile"Taiwanese OEMs would love an alternative to Windows, but the sale comes first, before production."Jun 21 07:13
DaemonXPUbuntu needs to understand that it's the white trash cousin of Mac OS XJun 21 07:14
DaemonXPcomplete with broken car parts on the front lawnJun 21 07:14
DaemonXPthe idea of the Mac is that you plug something into it and it worksJun 21 07:15
DaemonXPyou plug most things in running Ubuntu and it fails to recognize that there's something thereJun 21 07:15
DaemonXPit's hardly surprising they can't sell their netbook editionJun 21 07:16
DaemonXPwhen I can't plug my phone, mp3 player, or game controller in and have it be recognizedJun 21 07:16
DaemonXPthey don't have the expertise to fix the situation eitherJun 21 07:16
DaemonXPFedora has typically been the first distro to support hardwareJun 21 07:17
DaemonXPif it doesn't work there, you're out of luckJun 21 07:17
DaemonXPand Ubuntu doesn't always necessarily fail because Linux doesn't understand what you've plugged inJun 21 07:18
DaemonXPa lot of the time it's a misconfiguration in Ubuntu's stock setup itselfJun 21 07:18
Tempfileyes Ubuntu has gotten "on the nose" recently, it has always been that way for me, way too many bugs and growingJun 21 07:19
DaemonXPI'd like to see a more competent distribution on netbooksJun 21 07:19
DaemonXPUbuntu has a huge amount of unearned popularityJun 21 07:19
DaemonXPit would be nice if they did some kind of arrangement with Mandriva, companies like Dell that isJun 21 07:20
DaemonXPthey could probably push more product that way with less returnsJun 21 07:20
DaemonXPUbuntu's KDE edition also does not use gstreamer, so there's no way to ship that one legally with codec supportJun 21 07:21
DaemonXPthey use XINEJun 21 07:21
Tempfilekde is on the nose too these days.Jun 21 07:21
DaemonXPKDE can use gstreamer through Phonon, same as XineJun 21 07:22
DaemonXPpoint is, that ideally the OEM doesn't have to customize the distro muchJun 21 07:22
DaemonXPbut that's why you won't see any of them shipping KubuntuJun 21 07:22
Tempfileplus, OEM's actually want to move product, not toy with software.  so they will sell what they can sell.Jun 21 07:23
DaemonXPexactlyJun 21 07:24
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DaemonXPDell mainly only offers Ubuntu with GNOME cause they need to ship legal codecsJun 21 07:24
DaemonXPand Ubuntu/GNOME use Gstreamer, so Dell can buy Fluendo codecsJun 21 07:24
DaemonXPnot have to have people ask why their MP3 doesn't workJun 21 07:24
Tempfileyes, you have too, you cant sell product that does not work, and its impossible to explain to non FOSS savvy people that something does not work because of a codec,Jun 21 07:26
DaemonXPI was reading one of those Paul Thurott articles (Windows promoter), and he struck me off guard by mentioning VorbisJun 21 07:26
DaemonXP"Others may recommend bizarre and unpopular formats like FLAC or OGG. These people are also misguided: While these formats may offer some vague technical advantages over other audio formats, they are even less compatible than AAC or WMA. The people who do use (and advocate) these formats are generally more concerned with religious issues surrounding their disliking of proprietary technologies or products made by companies likJun 21 07:26
DaemonXPMicrosoft. My advice here is simple: Avoid these formats."Jun 21 07:26
DaemonXPheheJun 21 07:26
DaemonXPand the thing is, he's right but not for the reasons he thinks he isJun 21 07:27
DaemonXPit's just as easy to get shafted with Vorbis as it is if you had encoded everything into Windows MediaJun 21 07:28
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DaemonXPthere's only so many times I can stand to ask why something doesn't work right, get the reply "Don't use that then"Jun 21 07:29
DaemonXPand not murder peopleJun 21 07:29
DaemonXPseriously, it makes my blood boilJun 21 07:29
Tempfileits exactly what FOSS should of done though, if they cannot use proprietary formats, they need to innovate and develop their own, its far better than just stealing something else.Jun 21 07:29
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Tempfilewith far less liability issuesJun 21 07:29
DaemonXPLinux folk can be like that old jokeJun 21 07:29
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DaemonXPGuy goes into the doctor, says "Doc, my arm hurts when I move it like this"Jun 21 07:29
DaemonXPdoctor says "Then don't move it like that"Jun 21 07:30
chips_b_malroywhats your point Daemon?Jun 21 07:30
DaemonXPthe problem is that Vorbis is encombered with patentsJun 21 07:30
chips_b_malroyAre are you just writing a book?Jun 21 07:30
DaemonXPI could list about a dozen that Vorbis infringes onJun 21 07:30
DaemonXPthat's why the uptake is non-existentJun 21 07:31
chips_b_malroywhy should that bother a softie?Jun 21 07:31
DaemonXPthere's no point in using it if nothing can play itJun 21 07:31
chips_b_malroypatents that isJun 21 07:31
chips_b_malroychanging the subject I seeJun 21 07:31
chips_b_malroybustedJun 21 07:31
DaemonXPa lot of the MP3 patents held in the US are so broad that Vorbis definitely infringesJun 21 07:32
DaemonXPthey couldn't impleement anything that doesn't infringeJun 21 07:32
chips_b_malroyyour postion, not mine, and still changing the pointJun 21 07:32
DaemonXPVorbis infringes on patents held by FhG, Thomson, Microsoft, Apple, and LucentJun 21 07:32
chips_b_malroyyou never stay with the point you makeJun 21 07:32
DaemonXPprobably a number of othersJun 21 07:32
chips_b_malroygive link to balmer with patentJun 21 07:33
DaemonXPso you can't use Vorbis til the MP3 patents expire anywayJun 21 07:33
chips_b_malroylink?Jun 21 07:33
chips_b_malroyprove itJun 21 07:33
DaemonXPhttp://www.tunequest.org/a-big-list-of-mp3-patents/20070226/Jun 21 07:33
DaemonXPread the description of what is patentedJun 21 07:33
TempfileI would not know, ive not looked at patents for MP3 or vorbis, I suspect very few have, or really care.Jun 21 07:33
chips_b_malroyand its one of 256x? patents balmer boy said?Jun 21 07:33
DaemonXPmost of them describe any lossy codec implemented by anyoneJun 21 07:33
DaemonXPnot just MP3, AAC, or WMAJun 21 07:34
schestowitz> Jun 21 07:34
schestowitz<DaemonXP> the problem is that Vorbis is encombered with patentsJun 21 07:34
DaemonXPPerceptual coding of audio signalsJun 21 07:34
schestowitz> Jun 21 07:34
schestowitz<DaemonXP> I could list about a dozen that Vorbis infringes onJun 21 07:34
chips_b_malroywhy talk about codex, when u were talking about patents and oggJun 21 07:34
DaemonXPUS Patent #: 5,341,457Jun 21 07:34
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chips_b_malroythank youJun 21 07:34
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chips_b_malroy$hill had just gone to farJun 21 07:34
schestowitzHe's not learningJun 21 07:35
schestowitzI gave him another changeJun 21 07:35
schestowitzHe comes here calling Ubuntu "white trash" within minutesJun 21 07:35
schestowitzSo he's not interested in behavingJun 21 07:35
chips_b_malroyimmature, if he is not a shill, giving him the benifit of the doubtJun 21 07:35
schestowitzchips_b_malroy: see logs from yesterday and the day before that for detailsJun 21 07:36
schestowitzEnough was enoughJun 21 07:36
chips_b_malroyI came here to tell him I have a Sansi usb mp3 playerJun 21 07:36
chips_b_malroyhe has been a pain for a lot longer than that Roy, he is why I don't come here for oneJun 21 07:36
schestowitzRyanFC?Jun 21 07:37
chips_b_malroysorry to say that, as he has some knowledgeJun 21 07:37
chips_b_malroynot meJun 21 07:37
chips_b_malroyI am chipsJun 21 07:37
chips_b_malroyfor realJun 21 07:37
schestowitzI don't think he's a shallJun 21 07:37
schestowitzJust hyperactive ranterJun 21 07:37
schestowitzAnd he's hijacking the channel to poseJun 21 07:37
chips_b_malroycan't say for sure RoyJun 21 07:37
schestowitzIt's not productiveJun 21 07:37
chips_b_malroyone of a shills objectives is to be confused with being a trollJun 21 07:38
schestowitzI spend a lot of the time reading through garbage he writes like anti-xtian stuff and so do othersJun 21 07:38
schestowitzchips_b_malroy: I see...Jun 21 07:38
schestowitzWell, he does know EDelmanJun 21 07:38
chips_b_malroyso they don't hurt the repetation on MSJun 21 07:38
schestowitzHe knows them from his Wal-mart daysJun 21 07:38
chips_b_malroyagain, he could be realJun 21 07:38
chips_b_malroybut who caresJun 21 07:39
chips_b_malroyhe waste the time of those who want to do good work hereJun 21 07:39
chips_b_malroyyours, and othersJun 21 07:39
chips_b_malroywho are importantJun 21 07:39
schestowitzHave you found anything new?Jun 21 07:39
chips_b_malroyto educate othersJun 21 07:39
schestowitzLike Hopkins?Jun 21 07:39
schestowitzForrester does a lot of Microsoft laundry these daysJun 21 07:39
chips_b_malroyhave not looked recentlyJun 21 07:39
schestowitzNovell is dyingJun 21 07:40
chips_b_malroyyou know I used to scoure the internet to post on MS Watch, looked everywhereJun 21 07:40
schestowitzWe might have to change site identity/focusJun 21 07:40
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chips_b_malroya general linux/ms watch type of site Roy?Jun 21 07:41
schestowitzCHANGE http://www.microsplot.com/CHANGEJun 21 07:41
chips_b_malroyor maybe monopoly software watch/linux site?Jun 21 07:41
schestowitzchips_b_malroy: not too interested in such sitesJun 21 07:41
schestowitzThey flood BN nowJun 21 07:41
schestowitzLibel, attacks, malice, dilution, waste of timeJun 21 07:41
schestowitzLots of disruption and personal angst recentlyJun 21 07:42
chips_b_malroycareful, M$ sues everyone that comes close to their name onlineJun 21 07:42
chips_b_malroyweb indentyJun 21 07:42
schestowitzWe did expose a lot more, regarding both NOVL and MSFTJun 21 07:42
schestowitzSo I can see reasons for wanting to distract usJun 21 07:42
schestowitzand Mono is in a big crisisJun 21 07:42
chips_b_malroyyes, its follow the money with M$ and NovellJun 21 07:42
schestowitzThe whole Web talks about removing Mono and there is public support, Novell wants to sell, and MS runs in to debtJun 21 07:43
schestowitzJust as I've predicated since 2006Jun 21 07:43
schestowitz*ctedJun 21 07:43
schestowitzMS sues?Jun 21 07:43
schestowitzFor what? Trademarks?Jun 21 07:43
chips_b_malroyjust keep hitting the patents, the hidden deal, the fat32 lawsuits, complaining to Debian, Ubuntu, other distro's. you are winningJun 21 07:43
schestowitzI can't think of precedence against sites like GroklawJun 21 07:43
chips_b_malroyweb indentity, close name to micro$oft onlineJun 21 07:44
chips_b_malroylike microsucksJun 21 07:44
chips_b_malroy.comJun 21 07:44
chips_b_malroystuff like thatJun 21 07:44
chips_b_malroythey been doing that for yearsJun 21 07:45
schestowitzBut ours is notJun 21 07:45
chips_b_malroyI just point it out.  You can google for it.  They have done it, close names.  Think about the lawsuit with Linsphere.  Before they were Winshpere I think.Jun 21 07:47
chips_b_malroysorry for spelling, I on laptopJun 21 07:47
chips_b_malroyM$ likes to sue, they have money, or at least can borrow still cheaply in a depression with ultra low interest rates.  cheap to sue if you are a legal firm.Jun 21 07:48
chips_b_malroyI think M$ wants to try to turn Novell into another SCO. but I think Novell (I hope) is not that evil.Jun 21 07:49
chips_b_malroyNovell might cut them off (M$) if they ever become stable money wise, I hopeJun 21 07:50
schestowitzThey sue firmsJun 21 07:50
schestowitzNot people, unless they are counterfeitingJun 21 07:50
schestowitzChanServ: cNovell can't become stableJun 21 07:51
schestowitzBut it'll split and sold in pieces IMHOJun 21 07:51
schestowitzCitrix or Cisco might buy someJun 21 07:51
schestowitzThe MS shills still troll me in TwitterJun 21 07:51
Tempfilehttp://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NOVL#chart5:symbol=novl;range=5d;compare=ibm+msft+rht;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefinedJun 21 07:52
schestowitz"Jesper Lund Stocholmjlundstocholm@fiberartisan noooo ... you are not allowed to have frienly relations when it comes to doc formats; you'll end up on @schestowitz's website" https://twitter.com/jlundstocholm/status/2263032749Jun 21 07:52
schestowitzIBM and MS have buybacksJun 21 07:52
schestowitzNOVL had some too, Red Hat alsoJun 21 07:52
schestowitzSee Novell jumping thereJun 21 07:52
schestowitz?Jun 21 07:52
schestowitzThat's because of the word it'll be sold in piecesJun 21 07:53
chips_b_malroyIts only when the trolls seem to hate you Roy, that you know your are on the right track.  But thats my opinion.Jun 21 07:53
schestowitzIt came out shortly after BN had spoken about itJun 21 07:53
schestowitzCause Novell's CFO talked about itJun 21 07:53
PetoKraushehehe: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4962775/Jun 21 07:53
schestowitzChanServ: see the new comments from WouterJun 21 07:53
schestowitzBIG MS shillJun 21 07:53
schestowitzKnown one in HollandJun 21 07:53
schestowitzThe Wouter shillJun 21 07:53
chips_b_malroyits only M$ money proping up Novell for last 2 years, we all know thatJun 21 07:54
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/18/opendocument-upper-hand/#commentsJun 21 07:54
schestowitzchips_b_malroy: they would default otherwiseJun 21 07:54
schestowitzNovell had a choiceJun 21 07:54
schestowitz-Go out of businessJun 21 07:54
schestowitz-or become MS shillJun 21 07:54
schestowitzThey went to MSJun 21 07:54
schestowitzGot paid $300mlJun 21 07:54
schestowitzto become a cheap shillJun 21 07:54
schestowitzAnd they could live for a while lonerJun 21 07:55
chips_b_malroystill, what do you think Roy, do we still in some way need Novell?  To follow though and bankrupt the pawn of M$ (in my opinion) SCO?Jun 21 07:55
chips_b_malroyagreed, they are the pawn of M$Jun 21 07:55
schestowitzWe don't need NovellJun 21 07:55
schestowitzWe need SUSEJun 21 07:55
chips_b_malroybut still, they have this interest to protect themselves against SCOJun 21 07:56
schestowitzOr its Linux business, iwhtout the covenants, if that's possibleJun 21 07:56
Tempfileand Novell lead the network OS with Netware at the same time MS was flopping about with Win3.11 arguably W311 was alot worse that NetwareJun 21 07:56
schestowitzPoach Novell's Linux peopleJun 21 07:56
schestowitzwipe SUSEJun 21 07:56
schestowitzReplace with Red HatJun 21 07:56
schestowitzWork doneJun 21 07:56
schestowitzNo coupons, no messJun 21 07:56
chips_b_malroyI would like to see IBM buy SuseJun 21 07:56
schestowitzWon't happenJun 21 07:56
schestowitzIBM proxifies LinuxJun 21 07:57
chips_b_malroyand say goodbye to MS dealJun 21 07:57
chips_b_malroythey would likely merge, not buy Red Hat before thatJun 21 07:57
schestowitzThey funded the purchase of S.u.S.E.Jun 21 07:57
chips_b_malroyas they already have AIXJun 21 07:57
schestowitzAnd they endorse the "IP" scamJun 21 07:57
chips_b_malroynews to meJun 21 07:57
schestowitzAnd Of Course: RIAA Mouthpieces Defend $1.92 Million Judgment< http://techdirt.com/articles/20090619/1843155298.shtml >Jun 21 07:58
chips_b_malroyyes, I know they into the patents as wellJun 21 07:58
chips_b_malroyRIAA and MS are so closeJun 21 07:58
chips_b_malroywatch for M$ to use the BSA (like the RIAA) on its way downhill to sue its "pirated" custermers.Jun 21 07:59
chips_b_malroyexample, the school headmaster in Russia, that installed bogus windows software.  Gobo asks Gates to intervene, and Bill says its not his to do.Jun 21 08:00
chips_b_malroyThey will sue using a proxy, when times are tuff, and they going be somedayJun 21 08:01
schestowitzBSA is linked to GatesJun 21 08:01
chips_b_malroyGood reason to use free softwareJun 21 08:01
schestowitzGates Sr.'s cronies work in BSAJun 21 08:01
chips_b_malroyyes, I knowJun 21 08:01
chips_b_malroymost likely a bigger money trail there than we knowJun 21 08:02
schestowitzBSA is also an MS lobbyJun 21 08:02
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schestowitzFor patents in the EUJun 21 08:02
schestowitzAnd to put MS inside governmentJun 21 08:02
schestowitzBSA is a lobbyist as wellJun 21 08:02
chips_b_malroywonder if that is a subject for research, the  BSA and MS who owns itJun 21 08:02
chips_b_malroyin more detailJun 21 08:02
chips_b_malroyso much to researchJun 21 08:03
chips_b_malroyso much money has Gates, spent everywhere to buy everyone of importanceJun 21 08:03
chips_b_malroyto create more power and more moneyJun 21 08:04
chips_b_malroyGates is not pure evil, he is just greedy beyond believe.  He might even turn to the light someday, I hopeJun 21 08:05
chips_b_malroywish the best for him, i doJun 21 08:05
Tempfileseeing he's retired and gives away a huge amount of money, It would appear neither power or money is anylonger that important to him.Jun 21 08:06
chips_b_malroyYou right about the connection with the government.  They completely own the US govJun 21 08:06
chips_b_malroygo away shillJun 21 08:06
chips_b_malroytempfileJun 21 08:06
schestowitzTempfile: hahaha.Jun 21 08:06
chips_b_malroyhe is not retiredJun 21 08:06
schestowitzGates Foundation is parlty scamJun 21 08:06
chips_b_malroyprove thatJun 21 08:07
schestowitzAnd he's far from rfetiredJun 21 08:07
schestowitzHe's an uber lobbyist for MicrosoftJun 21 08:07
chips_b_malroychairman of the boardJun 21 08:07
chips_b_malroypart time employee\\Jun 21 08:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Is off to Amman to meet a Issa, to negotiate the whereabouts of the to-be-established Jordanian Free Culture Society.Jun 21 08:07
chips_b_malroymajor major shareholderJun 21 08:07
chips_b_malroyspammerJun 21 08:08
chips_b_malroyGates is still their lead architechJun 21 08:08
fewaBillG goes around forcing US Intellectual monopoly regimes on the entire worldJun 21 08:09
chips_b_malroysoftware wise, which in simple words means he still pulls all the stringsJun 21 08:09
chips_b_malroyfewa, yesJun 21 08:09
fewaand forcing them to pay money to US pharmeceuticals for the priviliage of making life-saving drugsJun 21 08:09
chips_b_malroyBalmer is just the sweaty monkey boy on a string, the errand boy sort of.  A Salesman.Jun 21 08:10
chips_b_malroysales are going down latelyJun 21 08:10
fewaHe is spending alot of money to make sure that there are no more brazils, no more countries that understand Intellectual Monopolies, and vendor lock-inJun 21 08:10
chips_b_malroyyesJun 21 08:11
schestowitzExactlyJun 21 08:11
chips_b_malroythat money is not going last foreverJun 21 08:11
schestowitzBN wrote about this many timesJun 21 08:11
schestowitzBut it's worseJun 21 08:11
chips_b_malroyyesJun 21 08:11
fewaIts about making them complacentJun 21 08:11
chips_b_malroyyou haveJun 21 08:11
schestowitzHe uses other people's tax money for thisJun 21 08:11
fewaexactly, he doesnt really give them anything, he forces the countries to foot the billJun 21 08:11
schestowitzAs in,  he and Melinda will tell your government to pay big phrmas (that he invests in) foir drugsJun 21 08:11
fewafor the "right" to make a drugJun 21 08:11
schestowitzThen pretending he saves people's livesJun 21 08:12
schestowitzRather than boosting company whose shares he holdsJun 21 08:12
schestowitzAnd using taxpayers' fundsJun 21 08:12
chips_b_malroyGates is the brain, Balmer is the decipleJun 21 08:12
schestowitzWhile he NEED NOT PAY TAXJun 21 08:12
fewamore countries need to emulate the model of BrazilJun 21 08:12
schestowitzB&M Foundation is a tax havenJun 21 08:12
fewaa country that understandsJun 21 08:12
chips_b_malroyI read somewhere, (please do not ask for link) that Gates pay less tax percentage wise than the average american.   This the worlds richest man.Jun 21 08:13
schestowitzIt's probably trueJun 21 08:13
schestowitzDoes he pay /any/ tax?Jun 21 08:13
schestowitzhttp://www.commondreams.org/views06/0823-26.htmJun 21 08:14
schestowitz^link related to thisJun 21 08:14
chips_b_malroyIreland, a tax loophole for M$, glad to see you been writing on that RoyJun 21 08:14
schestowitzSadly, most people are exposed to PR on this subjectJun 21 08:14
schestowitzThey don't look for answersJun 21 08:14
schestowitzChanServ: yes, that's MSJun 21 08:14
schestowitzIt evades tax tooJun 21 08:14
schestowitzBut it's not related to GatesJun 21 08:14
fewaand blackmails the federal governmentJun 21 08:15
fewawhen Obama just says everyone has to play fairJun 21 08:15
schestowitzMicrosoft has a lot to be criticised, but the press paint the picture of MS being a victims for being "a big company"Jun 21 08:15
chips_b_malroyGates/M$ not the same?  In some ways they are, are gates ownes so much of the voting stock.Jun 21 08:15
schestowitzThey areJun 21 08:15
schestowitzThey play bad cop, good copJun 21 08:15
schestowitzIt's an old trickJun 21 08:15
chips_b_malroythe problem for M$ with Obama is thisJun 21 08:16
chips_b_malroythey cannot tax the lower middle class anymore, most of them are out of workJun 21 08:16
chips_b_malroyBama knows that the US needs more revenueJun 21 08:16
chips_b_malroyso they have to tax the richJun 21 08:16
chips_b_malroyif they tax the rich, it has to be across the board tax, no loopholes, which is what M$ whatsJun 21 08:17
chips_b_malroy*wantsJun 21 08:17
fewayou said that poorelyJun 21 08:17
schestowitzObama launches overhaul of US financial regulation < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/17/obama-financial-reforms >Jun 21 08:17
chips_b_malroyyesJun 21 08:17
fewaM$ want to be given a free ride, this is unfair to AMericans, and the american peopleJun 21 08:18
schestowitzchips_b_malroy: no, "IP"Jun 21 08:18
schestowitzThe US knows it must somehow rip off other countriesJun 21 08:18
schestowitzLike CHinaJun 21 08:18
chips_b_malroyfewa, agreedJun 21 08:18
schestowitzAnd the whole WIPO scam starts thereJun 21 08:18
schestowitzBSA etc.Jun 21 08:18
fewaschestowitz, the supplamental gave $500 million to the IMF and european banksJun 21 08:18
chips_b_malroycannot rip off chinaJun 21 08:18
fewaust handed them moneyJun 21 08:18
schestowitz"Pay us for the "IP", we'll take your minerals"Jun 21 08:18
chips_b_malroyip is a false house of cards, it will all come down in timeJun 21 08:19
schestowitzYesJun 21 08:19
schestowitzI look forward to itJun 21 08:19
schestowitzBad for the richJun 21 08:19
fewaBrazil has already realizedJun 21 08:19
schestowitzVERY bad for themJun 21 08:19
schestowitzSo as long as they are in charge they will fight for intellectual MONOPOLYJun 21 08:19
fewaEven if china collapses, brazil will continue to developJun 21 08:20
schestowitzbrazil does not fancy those patents eitherJun 21 08:20
schestowitzWe have some folks from Brazil in IRCJun 21 08:20
Tempfilewhats Brazils population ??Jun 21 08:20
chips_b_malroyChina will not cloaspeJun 21 08:20
schestowitzTempfile: like 300 millionJun 21 08:21
chips_b_malroyThe US and Europe mightJun 21 08:21
Tempfileabout the same as the US !! okJun 21 08:21
chips_b_malroyChina is an industrial producer, the US and Europe has lost most of thatJun 21 08:21
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrazilJun 21 08:21
schestowitz191,241,714Jun 21 08:22
schestowitzAbout the same in Nigeria maybeJun 21 08:22
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria 148,000,000Jun 21 08:22
fewachips_b_malroy, true, im wrongJun 21 08:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is the weather for 2080: floods, droughts and heatwaves http://ping.fm/S079yJun 21 08:22
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/18/coal-dump-location-obama-usa RMS: "Obama is using bogus "terrorist" concerns to  conceal the location of toxic dumps of coal power plant waste, which present a substantial danger of accidents."Jun 21 08:23
schestowitzYes men strike again: WORLD LEADERS SIGN PACT TO AVERT CLIMATE DISASTER < http://typingisnotactivism.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/world-leaders-sign-pact-to-avert-climate-disaster/ >Jun 21 08:25
chips_b_malroyIP a funny thing, its only as good as the law that protects it.  Its only as good as the countries that have the laws to protect it.  Countries like Cuba, Iran, N. Korea, do not respect Ip.  Also, because of the gambling issue signed into law by George Bush, Barbados, was granted a court case at one time, to cheat on usa IP by the EU.  Not sure where that is at nowJun 21 08:25
schestowitz"IP" is a decree/waiverJun 21 08:25
schestowitzit offers you the benefit YOU wantJun 21 08:25
schestowitzSoftware patents?Jun 21 08:25
schestowitzYou got itJun 21 08:26
schestowitzOwning genes?Jun 21 08:26
schestowitzJust name your law.Jun 21 08:26
fewahttp://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_IAEA_nuclear_sites_declaration_for_the_United_States%2C_draft%2C_267_pages%2C_5_May_2009Jun 21 08:26
fewahe gives away nuclear, but wont release coal・Jun 21 08:26
fewa?Jun 21 08:26
chips_b_malroyIP law, so called international, is only as good as the weakest link.  Look at the Pirates Bay as an anogoly.Jun 21 08:26
schestowitzThat's what happens when the "rulling elite" (I think the Scholrz spoke about it) is in charge of the opulentJun 21 08:27
schestowitzThe US was actually established on the idea that the ruling elite should run it, defending it from the majorityJun 21 08:27
schestowitzIP is an example of thisJun 21 08:27
chips_b_malroyfewa, its not about Bama, its about M$ and Novell hereJun 21 08:27
schestowitzSeparation between levels of power and access to simple nowledgeJun 21 08:27
schestowitzNo child -leaps ahead- left behindJun 21 08:28
fewaI was talking about the coal sites link http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/18/coal-dump-location-obama-usa'Jun 21 08:28
fewahttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/18/coal-dump-location-obama-usaJun 21 08:28
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chips_b_malroyRoy, not the US, on the idea that the ruling elite should run it.  Its those who secertly run the USJun 21 08:28
schestowitzNo, not really a secretJun 21 08:28
schestowitzLet me find somethingJun 21 08:29
chips_b_malroythe lobyists for the the richJun 21 08:29
fewahttp://iht.greenpeace.org/heads-of-state-agree-historic-climate-saving-deal-2/Jun 21 08:29
schestowitzThe Real News for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNpNzDoH1IIJun 21 08:29
schestowitzbrbJun 21 08:29
chips_b_malroywell its not real secret, thats for sure.   But the media trys to pretent that this is a "democracy."Jun 21 08:30
chips_b_malroyIts not the worse country in the world by any means, lot of good folks here, that I will tell youJun 21 08:31
chips_b_malroyMicrosoft: 18-month Windows 7 downgrade rights    http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/19/windows_7_downgrade_rights_clarity/Jun 21 08:37
chips_b_malroystill cannot sell Vi$ta-$even without XP as a backstop I seeJun 21 08:38
chips_b_malroyMore with M$ and NBC forming a closer "partnership"?   NBC Universal, Microsoft strike ad alliance  http://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2009/06/15/daily32.htmlJun 21 08:40
chips_b_malroyI have to worry about M$ and its lack of ethics being involves with a company that provides the nightly newsJun 21 08:41
schestowitzVista7 will disappointJun 21 08:42
schestowitzIt won't sellJun 21 08:42
schestowitzCompanies have no money to toy with a less stable VistaJun 21 08:42
schestowitzI saw that NBC 'news'Jun 21 08:42
schestowitzNBC is a joke, but not in the public mind, yetJun 21 08:43
chips_b_malroywell goodnight Roy and all, its been fun.Jun 21 08:43
schestowitzOKJun 21 08:43
chips_b_malroyyes, but NBC is a bad sick joke RoyJun 21 08:43
schestowitzNot in people's mindsJun 21 08:44
schestowitzThey think they get the newsJun 21 08:44
schestowitzSame with FoxJun 21 08:44
schestowitzCause they hear stuff they likeJun 21 08:44
schestowitzLike "Charitable Gates"Jun 21 08:44
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schestowitzOr dolphins news...Jun 21 08:44
schestowitz"5.3 Unless you have been specifically permitted to do so in a separate agreement with Google, you agree that you will not reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade or resell the Services for any purpose." http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/eula_text.htmlJun 21 08:51
schestowitzTwitter to verify accounts to eliminate celebrity impostors < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/08/BU98183659.DTL&type=tech >Jun 21 08:54
schestowitzAmazon.com Pays Toys 'R' Us $51 Million to Settle Dispute http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y09/m06/i15/s04Jun 21 09:06
fewasome olbermann is quite decentJun 21 09:07
schestowitzhttp://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/06/mayer-brown-predicts-sec-will-focus-on-insider-trading-.html Mayer Brown Predicts SEC will Focus on Insider Trading Jun 21 09:09
schestowitzolbermann is OKJun 21 09:09
schestowitzthink fill and contentJun 21 09:10
schestowitzfewa: it's like when blatently pro-MS sites write about Linux and Macs every now and then to pretend there is blanceJun 21 09:10
schestowitzAnd then capture viewers for the brainwash. News media is the same.Jun 21 09:10
fewayes, news sites need to declare conflicts of interestsJun 21 09:11
fewamsnbc should not write about softwareJun 21 09:11
schestowitzOr NBC on energy mattersJun 21 09:11
schestowitz(GE)Jun 21 09:11
fewayesJun 21 09:11
fewaand news companies need to be independentJun 21 09:12
fewaidealyJun 21 09:12
schestowitzWatching as desktop software disappears < http://blogs.computerworld.com/web_apps_0 >Jun 21 09:15
schestowitzfewa: won't happenJun 21 09:15
schestowitzNot without lawsJun 21 09:15
fewathats why i said idealyJun 21 09:15
fewaits never been that wayJun 21 09:15
schestowitzThere is finanical potential in being curruptibleJun 21 09:15
schestowitzNews and PR are relatedJun 21 09:15
fewaso will likely stay that wayJun 21 09:15
schestowitzPR wants to use the newsJun 21 09:15
schestowitzNews needs PR to be paidJun 21 09:15
schestowitzSo they get wrapped in one anotherJun 21 09:16
fewanews want to make money being corruptedJun 21 09:16
schestowitzThen it remains for them to pretend to be impartial, a la FoxJun 21 09:16
fewain a trustable wayJun 21 09:16
schestowitzI see some conflict of interests where MS is involvedJun 21 09:16
schestowitzLike Ballmer publishing his articlesJun 21 09:16
schestowitzOr husband of head of the Gates FOundation planting piece in TimeJun 21 09:17
schestowitzAnd Time/Fotune running anti-Linux pro-MS articlesJun 21 09:17
schestowitzPRWatch is good at exposing some culpritsJun 21 09:17
schestowitzSun Is Said to Cancel Big Chip Project http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/sun-is-said-to-cancel-big-chip-project/Jun 21 09:21
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxNJg7d7D_s Obama has a sense of humor :PJun 21 09:23
schestowitzhttp://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/record-labels-awarde PJ: 'How 'crazy' does Charles Nesson seem now?" He said it's fair useJun 21 09:23
schestowitz"20 June 2009"Jun 21 09:25
schestowitzIs this new?Jun 21 09:25
fewa#t=4m45sJun 21 09:25
fewayeahJun 21 09:25
schestowitzIf only he ran the countryJun 21 09:25
fewa4:45Jun 21 09:26
schestowitzYes, seen itJun 21 09:27
schestowitzGroklaw turns out to have linked to usJun 21 09:28
schestowitzI now see what happened with WeirJun 21 09:28
schestowitzbasically I followed WikipediaJun 21 09:28
schestowitzThen Pj linked to itJun 21 09:28
schestowitzWeir wrote about itJun 21 09:28
schestowitzAnd then PJJun 21 09:28
schestowitzI can't quite see referrers on the current serverJun 21 09:28
schestowitzNo wonder Stocholm and  chums (OIiver Bell) keep track of us nowJun 21 09:29
schestowitzHealthSouth’s Scrushy Liable in $2.876 Billion Fraud < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a89tFKR4OevM >Jun 21 09:30
schestowitzStanford tooJun 21 09:30
schestowitzWe'll be seeing many frauds in times to comeJun 21 09:31
schestowitzThe depression forces them to fold their cardsJun 21 09:31
fewamy own data was heisted by one of those companies that stored public health care dataJun 21 09:31
schestowitzNow we have PhormJun 21 09:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is priceless: http://ping.fm/iKqa2 Microsoft partner to watch over OOXML in ISO http://ping.fm/RyZfFJun 21 09:32
schestowitzIt's disgusting. They sell people's identitiesJun 21 09:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Potter plagiarism claims denied < http://ping.fm/aK1yk >Jun 21 09:37
schestowitzMore Windows from ASUS, which got sucked in by Microsoft (probably for a form of bribe): http://www.crn.com/mobile/218000109;jsessionid=JKIOMQRG4Z5MIQSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVNJun 21 09:38
fewawe need one of those bots that gives information about posted urlsJun 21 09:38
fewaperhapsJun 21 09:38
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/danielrendall/statuses/2221422469Jun 21 09:45
schestowitzShill Wouter tries to look impartial nowJun 21 09:47
schestowitzBottom-feeding from the guy who pays 'experts' to edit Wikipedia: http://twitter.com/dmahugh/statuses/2235819869Jun 21 09:48
fewadmahugh is disgustingJun 21 09:54
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxine.com/story/microsoft-and-novell-share-goal-eliminating-free-gnulinux-imposing-software-patentsJun 21 09:56
schestowitzfewa: ethically criminalJun 21 09:56
schestowitzRemember what he did in MalaysiaJun 21 09:56
schestowitzSomeone uses us to explain Microsoft AstroTurf ... http://marsupilamima.blogspot.com/2009/06/blogs-si-cest-pas-vrai-cest-bien-imite.htmlJun 21 09:57
Tempfilehttp://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/novell-suse-linux-training-plus-red-hat-migration-offer/ isnt that just a company trying to compete in a market ?Jun 21 10:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Retired U.S. Col. Ralph Peters has written an essay calling for military attacks on journalists." http://ping.fm/EZdJzJun 21 10:07
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schestowitz Apple boss 'had liver transplant' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8110625.stm >Jun 21 10:10
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schestowitzThere's some really ugly stuff...Jun 21 10:11
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8419Jun 21 10:11
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schestowitzMS also used lawmedia, another watchdog, privacy international, whisper campaingers vs anti-googleJun 21 10:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Learn how Microsoft hires shills to attack Google: http://ping.fm/HKeMeJun 21 10:12
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adasdzzJun 21 10:14
adasdam i connected?Jun 21 10:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_12602248?nclick_check=1 (Gov. Schwarzenegger wants California's schools to adopt digital textbooks)Jun 21 10:21
schestowitzYes, connexted, adasd Jun 21 10:21
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schestowitzWhy support Ubuntu 8.04 and not newer versions? http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/open-source/articles/58178-ubuntu-804-now-available-click2trys-online-open-source.htmJun 21 10:28
fewathey are use to the less verision modelJun 21 10:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some people think Amazon opened up the Kindle for more than just GPL compliance: http://ping.fm/PUm8cJun 21 10:32
schestowitzfewa: was it LTS?Jun 21 10:33
fewaschestowitz, yesJun 21 10:33
schestowitzTesco used to sell 6.06Jun 21 10:34
schestowitzLTSJun 21 10:34
schestowitzBut now that Tesco gets Microsoft bribes to recite MS lies this may no longer be the caseJun 21 10:35
schestowitzMicrosoft needs a lot of watching. it breaks the laws a lotJun 21 10:35
schestowitzEven the ASA should raid themJun 21 10:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch the cheapening of the term "open source": now "Open source heavy metal" < http://ping.fm/nyf2r >Jun 21 10:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] No Amazon Didn't Open Source the Kindle < http://ping.fm/hlFSA >. Amazon is also predatory with software patents.Jun 21 10:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Iran Uses Novell and Microsoft Software to Make Bombs < http://ping.fm/hJ9jy >Jun 21 11:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell’s Financial Problems and Radical Redemption Plans < http://ping.fm/r8IBM >Jun 21 12:07
Tempfile"President Gerald Ford signed a directive in 1976 offering Tehran the chance to buy and operate a U.S.-built reprocessing facility for extracting plutonium from nuclear reactor fuel. The deal was for a complete 'nuclear fuel cycle'."[38] At the time, Richard Cheney was the White House Chief of Staff, and Donald Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense"Jun 21 12:11
TempfileCheney and Rumsfeld !!! they are everywhere :)Jun 21 12:12
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trmancohttp://www.reddit.com/tb/8uaoaJun 21 12:26
trmancotold you that Firefox 3.5's memory usage went downJun 21 12:26
trmanco"Here we note the browser that has the best results in the experiment at every level. Firefox 3.5 used the smallest amount of memory during its peak, it used the smallest amount of memory when all points were averaged, and it used the smallest amount of memory at the end of the experiment after all tabs were closed. Firefox 3.5 continues Firefox 3.0's legacy of being the most memory efficient browser in this style of experiment."Jun 21 12:26
schestowitzhttp://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/Jun 21 12:29
schestowitztrmanco: it's when it goes out of control that it leads to problemJun 21 12:29
schestowitzEven closing it won't do because it needs to be killed, so it must be a plugin issueJun 21 12:29
trmancoit isJun 21 12:29
schestowitzabout:config changes did not resolve the issueJun 21 12:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] #Chrome and !Firefox 3.5 Memory Usage: http://is.gd/18dyNJun 21 12:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @josephtartakoff : Analysts: Kindle Book Price Hikes Are Coming, http://bit.ly/YH6JzJun 21 12:47
schestowitzHehe. Tacone made the subject his name and the name the subject: "Macs are known to resume working for a while if you hit them strong enough (Apple censored all forum posts about this though)." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-20-001-35-OP-CY-0001Jun 21 12:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO, Microsoft, Novell, and Other News from Utah < http://ping.fm/dPmN4 >Jun 21 12:57
schestowitzhttp://www.phonenews.com/palm-delays-sdk-release-dismisses-homebrew-developers-and-hackers-8229/ Palm Delays SDK Release, Dismisses Homebrew Developers and HackersJun 21 13:07
schestowitz[repeats] Tacone made the subject his name and the name the subject: "Macs are known to resume working for a while if you hit them strong enough (Apple censored all forum posts about this though)." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-20-001-35-OP-CY-0001Jun 21 13:07
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-20-006-35-NW-MS-0005 "The US love democracy, hates dictatorship - right. But any corporate is a dictatorship."Jun 21 13:10
schestowitzStop Ragging on KDE4! < http://www.raiden.net/articles/stop_ragging_on_kde4/ >Jun 21 13:15
schestowitzbblJun 21 13:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA and eFascism: Winning this war will push the digital majority towards adulthood: http://bit.ly/15Vyj0Jun 21 13:22
Tempfilepublic companies are more democraticJun 21 13:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO President recruiting unpaid examiners: http://eupat.ffii.org/07/03/uspto05/Jun 21 13:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz Open source heavy metal ... that's what Jono Bacon does, right?Jun 21 13:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hartmut Pilch needs a blog as a present for his birthday next July: http://eupat.ffii.org/07/03/uspto05/Jun 21 14:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hartmut Pilch needs a blog as a present for his birthday: http://bit.ly/hvHSeJun 21 14:17
Tempfilewhat corporate [sic] corporations have assumed absolute and sole power with military control ?Jun 21 14:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Peer to Patent project aims to recruit unpaid examiners to legitimate software patents and business method patents: http://bit.ly/jouBCJun 21 15:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Peer to Patent project is sponsored by patent trolls such as Intellectual Ventures and Microsoft: http://bit.ly/jouBCJun 21 15:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patent Troll Intellectual Ventures now lobbying WIPO next 13 July in Geneva: http://bit.ly/18L97lJun 21 15:42
Tempfileand Red Hat and IBMJun 21 15:42
schestowitzMust be that this IV is fundingJun 21 15:44
schestowitzFake 'studies'to justify strollsJun 21 15:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab Patent Troll Intellectual Ventures now lobbying WIPO next 13 July in Geneva: http://bit.ly/18L97lJun 21 15:52
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Tempfileas is GE, Pfizer, WHO, WTO, the UN, the republic of china, UK Government, and many more "guest speakers".Jun 21 15:58
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schestowitzBeen trolling here since the morning...Jun 21 16:03
fewayarpJun 21 16:04
fewai had him ignoredJun 21 16:04
schestowitzI think it's _Mutex_Jun 21 16:04
schestowitzSeems to be the same clientJun 21 16:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell plays ball for Microsoft: http://ping.fm/ukSxBJun 21 16:07
ThistleWebwhy is it some people still feel compelled to try and create hassle in a room they know will kick their asses out when they are identified?Jun 21 16:08
ThistleWebyou'd think they'd just decide "well, I burned my bridges there" whether intentional and being caught, or a misunderstanding. Every fresh attempt just confirms the initial suspicionJun 21 16:09
schestowitzThistleWeb: because I never kickedJun 21 16:09
schestowitzBut recently it went over the topJun 21 16:09
schestowitzSo there's no choice. Same in site comments. Libel and abuse.Jun 21 16:09
ThistleWebI'm questioning HIS thought process in continually trying to get back in under different guises when he knows he's not welcomeJun 21 16:10
ThistleWebI don't see the point of continually knocking your head against a brick wall, trying to force your way into a place that don't want you and have made it clearJun 21 16:11
schestowitzIDG is promoting VIsta7 and I suspect the likes of W-E are organising this: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/166726/windows_7_will_give_netbooks_the_magic_touch.htmlJun 21 16:11
schestowitzThere's also lots of pro-'Google killer', with $100,000,000 spent on 'marketing'Jun 21 16:11
ThistleWebbut then, I don't come onto the internet to fightJun 21 16:11
schestowitzThistleWeb: it's the same style as Mutex and the name (Tempfile) is self explanatoryJun 21 16:12
schestowitzMore like TempAccountJun 21 16:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Headlines matching "Vista" in the past week: 3; "Windows 7" : 17. It's called vapourware when the promoted product does not exist.Jun 21 16:12
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schestowitzFunny logo: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/17/xbox-live-still-a-little-funky-after-those-there-updates/ spells "evil"Jun 21 16:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft took down XBox and Zune services for a whole day, it came back kaput (never mind when Google is down for just 2 hours and they ...Jun 21 16:27
schestowitzedmond Channel Partner: "Microsoft to Europe: No Browser for You!"Jun 21 16:30
schestowitzNo bias there from "Redmond Channel Partner.."  nothing hostile in the headline at all.Jun 21 16:30
schestowitzMicrosoft can have its own fake 'press'...  http://rcpmag.com/blogs/lee-pender/2009/06/microsoft-to-europe-no-browser-for-you.aspxJun 21 16:31
ThistleWebgiven how Microsoft opperate, removing the browser completely should have been a forseeable move, that way they know it won't be sold without one, it'll just the OEMs who add it before sale, who will be strongarmed into "choosing" IEJun 21 16:34
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ThistleWebI'd love to see them answer the charge that they claimed IE was unremovableJun 21 16:34
ThistleWebyet now it can be removedJun 21 16:35
SailentOEM's often put in different browsers anyway.Jun 21 16:35
ThistleWebthose who stand up to Microsoft maybeJun 21 16:36
ThistleWebor who are small enough not to be noticedJun 21 16:36
ThistleWebin a way, it was a typical genius Microsoft move; anything to be seen to comply while nothing changes in realityJun 21 16:37
Sailentit was clear they were never going to ship with oppositions browsers.Jun 21 16:38
ThistleWebof course, this move lets them avoid that fateJun 21 16:39
schestowitzThere is some ugly MS stuff in the newsJun 21 16:39
schestowitzI'll share it nowJun 21 16:39
schestowitzhttp://www.wsls.com/sls/news/state_regional/article/virginia_partners_with_microsoft_for_job_training/38622/ http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8349:governor-quinn-microsoft-ceo-launch-public-private-partnership-&catid=1:latest-local-news&Itemid=88889791Jun 21 16:39
schestowitzhttp://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/11157.htmlJun 21 16:40
schestowitzThis is the American equivalent of EDGI. They are dumping proprietary software on young people in states that don't obey the Microsoft route.Jun 21 16:40
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schestowitzHere is another MS plant in Fortune:http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/21/technology/best_advice_bill_gates.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quoteJun 21 16:42
schestowitzhttp://money.cnn.com/2009/06/21/technology/best_advice_bill_gates.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quoteJun 21 16:42
schestowitzFotune also wries about Linux... like how it 'steals' from MicrosoftJun 21 16:42
schestowitzThe patents thing... "Microsoft Takes on the Free World"Jun 21 16:42
schestowitzThese magazines are sickeningJun 21 16:43
ThistleWebLinux DOES steal from Microsoft though; in marketshareJun 21 16:43
schestowitzRevisionism from the elite class to the wannabe welitesJun 21 16:43
schestowitzThistleWeb: steals.. its thunderJun 21 16:43
schestowitzAnd Microsoft still uses propagandaJun 21 16:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] AP, the biggest hater of fair use, writes the news about itself now? http://ping.fm/vpPUZJun 21 16:52
ThistleWebyeah the AP seem to be shooting themselves in the footJun 21 16:53
schestowitz(AP eyeing better deals with Internet heavyweights)Jun 21 16:54
schestowitzI have some very good posts comingJun 21 16:55
schestowitzI'm going through some headlines at the moment. Microsoft goes MAD.Jun 21 16:55
ThistleWebCC pics are like kryptonite to AP for news picsJun 21 16:55
schestowitzOr CorbixJun 21 16:55
schestowitzOr what's with Getty?Jun 21 16:55
schestowitzWho pays for images?Jun 21 16:55
schestowitzCommonJun 21 16:55
ThistleWebif you do a blog about Obama and want a pic of him, a CC pic is free, or you can pay for a similar pic from APJun 21 16:56
schestowitzCommons http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml <--BN gets images from hereJun 21 16:56
ThistleWebthe bigger the CC library, the better for everyoneJun 21 16:56
schestowitzNot everyoneJun 21 16:56
schestowitzNot the wealthy minorityJun 21 16:56
ThistleWebyeah lolJun 21 16:56
schestowitzThey had a privilege, a monopoly, a franchiseJun 21 16:56
schestowitzRivers dry upJun 21 16:56
schestowitzTell this to the Grauniad, The Independent, etc.Jun 21 16:57
schestowitzBN keeps climbing (above Groklaw)Jun 21 16:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sentimental blackmail, kickbacks for people who ditch rival browsers http://ping.fm/VMwyMJun 21 16:57
ThistleWeball of these wealthy businesses were built pre-internet where distribution was expensive and controlled by corporate gatekeepersJun 21 16:58
ThistleWebthe net has blitzed many previously profitable modelsJun 21 16:58
schestowitzScarcity goneJun 21 16:59
schestowitzLook at airlinesJun 21 16:59
schestowitzNo demand and BANG the prices dived Jun 21 16:59
ThistleWebCEOs are also judged on their performance in making more profit than last year, to justify their fat cat saleriesJun 21 16:59
schestowitzBut fuel still has a high cost, so it's a bad analogyJun 21 17:00
schestowitzMusic may be a better analogyJun 21 17:00
schestowitzDRM won't cut itJun 21 17:00
schestowitzI hope the RIAA really goes mad and scares people because they'll run to CCJun 21 17:00
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schestowitzAnd that's the point where MAFIAA portfolio gets neither fame nor moneyJun 21 17:00
ThistleWebit helps when more and more DRM services are shut downJun 21 17:01
schestowitzThistleWeb: yes, they need to beat goalsJun 21 17:01
schestowitzSo let them take loans like NovellJun 21 17:01
schestowitzWhich fires people while giving Hovsepian a $6 million bonusJun 21 17:01
schestowitzI need to bang on that drum more. Novell's CEO is robbing the company.Jun 21 17:01
ThistleWebit's great anti-DRM angle "sure, go buy DRM media, I'm sure the service you buy from won't suffer the same fate as............"Jun 21 17:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nielsen: Microsoft's Search Queries Fell 14 Percent in May http://ping.fm/xv14KJun 21 17:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Police fend off massive summer solstice denial-of-service attack on Stonehenge http://notnews.today.com/?p=536Jun 21 17:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the difference: people notice and give a damn when Google is off the airJun 21 17:02
schestowitzIf you need music, get it here:Jun 21 17:02
schestowitzhttp://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2009-on-bittorrent-6-gb-of-free-music-090312/Jun 21 17:03
ThistleWebpeople at the tops of large businesses tend to be close to retirement, so they've worked their way up in a different climateJun 21 17:03
schestowitzhttp://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/Jun 21 17:03
schestowitzIt's really good. 6GB of musicJun 21 17:03
ThistleWebthey assume they can just ride out any threat if they hang on long enoughJun 21 17:03
ThistleWebwithout realising that times have changedJun 21 17:03
ThistleWeband if they don't they're headed for collapseJun 21 17:03
ThistleWebI will need to find good CC sources for images like "trains" or "police", "house of commons" etc for a project I'm doingJun 21 17:04
schestowitzSteve and Bill might do the sameJun 21 17:04
schestowitzThey have personal wealth, but their company borrows moneyJun 21 17:05
ThistleWebI've not started looking yet, I'm still in the conceptualising stageJun 21 17:05
schestowitzAnd they have the corrupt Moody's recommend itJun 21 17:05
schestowitzI can give you links re: Moody'sJun 21 17:05
schestowitzFinancial analysts belong with PR and lobbyists -- in prison!Jun 21 17:05
schestowitzThey all do the same thingJun 21 17:05
schestowitzThistleWeb: use the one I gave youJun 21 17:06
schestowitzNo need for attribution evenJun 21 17:06
schestowitzhttp://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtmlJun 21 17:06
schestowitzI've used it since 2004 IIRCJun 21 17:06
ThistleWebit's now bookmarked for later use, tyJun 21 17:07
ThistleWebis everything on that site CC?Jun 21 17:07
schestowitzNopeJun 21 17:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard NotN: Police fend off massive summer solstice denial-of-service attack on Stonehenge http://ping.fm/ayodPJun 21 17:07
schestowitzRoyalty-freeJun 21 17:07
ThistleWebkJun 21 17:10
ThistleWebwill look into it laterJun 21 17:10
schestowitzIt's like BSD AFAICTJun 21 17:11
ThistleWebI skimmed the agreement, apparently you need to join, be approved, then agree to specific no-no's but other than that it's freeJun 21 17:12
schestowitzWhat do you know about WSJ and MS?Jun 21 17:12
schestowitzOther than Murdoch and MS-Mossberg I don't know enoughJun 21 17:12
ThistleWebnothingJun 21 17:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Google actually saw a 0.8 percent increase in its May over April numbers" http://ping.fm/mPEo7Jun 21 17:12
schestowitzBut they are in their pockets beyond that level, I'm sureJun 21 17:12
schestowitzJust need more evidenceJun 21 17:12
ThistleWebWSJ links I see on blog pages always tell be I can;t see themJun 21 17:13
schestowitzit was WAY too blatant with NYT, less so with WSJJun 21 17:13
schestowitzAnd... NBC of courseJun 21 17:13
ThistleWebI know you can bypass tat with GoogleJun 21 17:13
ThistleWebI've read a few articles on it using tricks like that, but if a site is like that, it's not worth the hassleJun 21 17:13
schestowitzWSJ has blogs now... http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090617/twitter-search-lands-barely-on-the-map-001-share/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_tickerJun 21 17:13
schestowitzI don't like these blogs because of their portrayal of the village where Google can be "bad"Jun 21 17:14
schestowitzThistleWeb: BugmeNot?Jun 21 17:14
fewagoogle is actually easierJun 21 17:14
schestowitzI don't mind their gateways in WSJ. I most just ignore it. They have nice prints though.Jun 21 17:14
ThistleWebyeah I heard abnout that ages ago and installed it too, but never got round to trying itJun 21 17:15
schestowitzIt's not helpful if you share linkJun 21 17:15
schestowitzIt's not helpful if you share links because you don't want to read something you want to share but can'tJun 21 17:15
schestowitzYou wind up linking to it and telling a friend.. well, you can't read it, but trust me,. it's there. Some with sites like IAM where one must subscribe with personal detailsJun 21 17:16
schestowitzOnce you get a free pass you forget about it and then recklessly link to it for people to find themselves unable to access itJun 21 17:16
ThistleWebone tech blog I read had the comments section with the usual name & comment, only to find the next page was a full on questionaire before it'd allow you to postJun 21 17:16
ThistleWebcant remember the name nowJun 21 17:17
ThistleWebone of the usual slashdot source sitesJun 21 17:17
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB124519122340820691.html?ru=yahoo#mod=yahoo_hs http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Best-Buy-sales-forecast-rb-15539916.html?x=1&.v=5Jun 21 17:17
schestowitzCan the death of Best Buy be in any way helpful to small businesses?Jun 21 17:17
schestowitzOr just more power to Wal-mart or people selling apples in the streets like in 1931Jun 21 17:18
ThistleWebI can't be bothered reading a blog post spread over 7 pages with a paragraph / advert / paragraph next pageJun 21 17:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It angers me to see the Microsoft press (e.g. NBC) playing "the Slog" against Google by creating FUD http://bit.ly/q9dBfJun 21 17:22
ThistleWebI wonder if all those collaberating with companies like Microsoft will be treated as collaberators when Microsoft are defunctJun 21 17:23
schestowitz"Just as the Justice Department is turning up the antitrust heat on Google (GOOG), the competition in web search seems to have gotten hotter than ever."Jun 21 17:23
schestowitzSo that's what keeps em busyJun 21 17:23
ThistleWebthat people will remember their behaviour and not do business with themJun 21 17:23
schestowitzThe MS-controlled DOJJun 21 17:24
schestowitzThistleWeb: yes, Microsoft is an ecosystem, not a companyJun 21 17:24
schestowitzSome say a "movement"Jun 21 17:24
schestowitzSo it's a problemJun 21 17:24
schestowitzMany Windows-'addicted' people as wellJun 21 17:25
ThistleWebin wartime, collaborators with an occupying army were often killedJun 21 17:25
ThistleWebbut some movements are useful, where would we be without a bowel movement?Jun 21 17:26
schestowitzWell, it associates them with rebelsJun 21 17:26
schestowitzThe phrase movement is insulting in that regardJun 21 17:26
schestowitzMono is another 'movement'Jun 21 17:26
schestowitzThe pro-.NET crowdJun 21 17:27
schestowitzMaybe MS bribes their headmaster/university to teach the kids C#Jun 21 17:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm looking at new items at the moment. All the MS-controlled/oriented publications attack Google with FUD. Amazing.Jun 21 17:27
ThistleWebit is strange how people who have different opinions from the status quo elite are written about as rebelsJun 21 17:27
schestowitzWhat's that stooge Cramer still doing out there? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/rss/story/*http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/finance?ch=633473&cl=13986198&lang=Jun 21 17:28
ThistleWebwhether it's MPs who don't pledge their undying love to the current PM are said to be rebels, or plotting a coupJun 21 17:28
schestowitzThese Wall Street people are phonies. Don't people know it after the market had collapsed and Cramer was pumping Bear Stearns before its collapseJun 21 17:28
ThistleWebif they express an opinion different from high command they are "doing a u-turn"Jun 21 17:29
schestowitzYes, defenders of complacencyJun 21 17:29
schestowitzBut always going in the wrong direction... ACTA and all.Jun 21 17:29
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schestowitzit's a reward/punishment system that ensures no changeJun 21 17:31
hexxI just saw bing advertisment inside gmail!Jun 21 17:31
hexxand then i found this articleJun 21 17:31
fewajust shows that google is an open marketJun 21 17:32
hexxhttp://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-06-08-n36.htmlJun 21 17:32
schestowitzWhich one?Jun 21 17:32
schestowitzOhJun 21 17:32
schestowitzhexx: Microsoft funds GoogleJun 21 17:32
schestowitzVery patheticJun 21 17:32
fewaof course google will take itJun 21 17:32
schestowitzI think I saw some things like that before. MS advertises other products through AdSense.Jun 21 17:33
fewaits really an advertisement for googleJun 21 17:33
fewashows that google must workJun 21 17:33
hexxyeah, its kinda ironicJun 21 17:33
schestowitzGoogle has its dangers Jun 21 17:33
fewait doesJun 21 17:33
schestowitzBut very different from antitrustJun 21 17:33
hexxbtw, searching for knoppix on bing ~1 mil results, searching for ubuntu ~100k resultsJun 21 17:33
fewabut microsoft using it adds credibilityJun 21 17:33
schestowitzThis new one makes me sick: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8419 http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2009/06/google-critic-paid-by-microsof.phpJun 21 17:33
hexxthey are totally sensoring their resultsJun 21 17:34
fewatype in "linux" and see the autosuggestJun 21 17:34
schestowitzYesJun 21 17:34
schestowitzIt has been shownJun 21 17:34
schestowitzThey do so shamelesslyJun 21 17:34
schestowitzSame with MSN/LiveJun 21 17:34
schestowitzIt's the same engineJun 21 17:34
schestowitzBroken, biasedJun 21 17:34
schestowitzThey'll PAY you just to use itJun 21 17:34
hexxnice, linux windowsJun 21 17:34
schestowitzThey need only tweak results about softwareJun 21 17:35
schestowitzNo need to hand-steak the restJun 21 17:35
schestowitzLike food, hardware, celebsJun 21 17:35
schestowitzJust what benefits Microsoft's bottom lineJun 21 17:35
schestowitzIt's like throttling for competitive reasons, only worse.Jun 21 17:35
hexxa good spanking?Jun 21 17:35
hexxanyway, g2g, cheersJun 21 17:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Murdock press shows utter contempt for the European Commission: http://ping.fm/onCTTJun 21 17:37
schestowitzGoogle Mucks Up Outlook < http://www.reuters.com/article/bigMoney/idUS385447357820090617 >Jun 21 17:42
schestowitzGoogle (Nasdaq:GOOG) And Microsoft (Nasdaq:MSFT): Turf Wars < http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3275470 >Jun 21 17:43
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schestowitzTurns out Groklaw has just 5000 pages indexed.. http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.groklaw.net+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=enJun 21 17:48
fewabut each page has contentJun 21 17:49
fewaunlike most sitesJun 21 17:49
schestowitzYes, exhibits tooJun 21 17:50
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=enJun 21 17:51
schestowitzhttp://stocks.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2009/Invest-With-The-Gates-Foundation-BRK.B-XLV-SGP-MCD-CNI-MSFT0617.aspx?partner=YahooSA "Bill Gates didn't become the world's richest person being lucky. "Jun 21 17:53
schestowitzSo true. He "became the world's richest person" by committing crimes, as evidence showsJun 21 17:53
schestowitzRevisionism in the business press is scaryJun 21 17:53
schestowitzWhat will future generations be taught. That Rockefeller was hanged on a crucifix to suffer for the rest of us?Jun 21 17:54
schestowitzKneale: Obama's 'Ridiculous' Promise < http://www.cnbc.com/id/31374302/site/14081545?__source=yahoo|headline|quote|text|&par=yahoo >Jun 21 17:59
schestowitzDavid Walker..Jun 21 17:59
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taconeomg.Jun 21 18:11
taconeI don't like to think bad but sometimes the world just forces me.Jun 21 18:12
schestowitz?Jun 21 18:13
taconenothing, i'll post something about that this evening.Jun 21 18:13
taconethen everybody will be able to think bad in my place :)Jun 21 18:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Mono is not accepted by the majority: http://bit.ly/V1RrWJun 21 18:37
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geodudehey guysJun 21 18:48
geodudeis debian going monoJun 21 18:48
schestowitzHeyJun 21 18:49
schestowitzNot yet, but it seems likely to add tomboyJun 21 18:49
geodudeok thanks i wanted to knowJun 21 18:50
schestowitzI have some problems with IRC+FirefoxJun 21 18:51
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schestowitzBut it seems to be temporary. Can anyone else check to see if when loding single pages in BN the page puts highlight on the login and thus scrolls down?Jun 21 18:51
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taconei'm about to post yet another rant :(Jun 21 18:56
taconeschestowitz: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/hands-off-the-gimp/Jun 21 18:57
schestowitzI think you told us you wouldJun 21 18:58
schestowitzBack to paint.exe daysJun 21 18:58
schestowitzWhat's next? OOo out for Mono space?Jun 21 18:58
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schestowitzThanks. I'll write about the GIMP tomorrowJun 21 19:00
schestowitzThistleWeb: just before you left I wrote:Jun 21 19:00
schestowitzit's a reward/punishment system that ensures no changeJun 21 19:00
schestowitzThe system that secures its status quoJun 21 19:00
ThistleWebyepJun 21 19:00
ThistleWebbased on loyaltyJun 21 19:00
schestowitzI heard the same about USPTOJun 21 19:00
schestowitzFrom those who lobby for sanityJun 21 19:00
taconeschestowitz: i wrote you somewhere else.Jun 21 19:01
schestowitzNo sw patsJun 21 19:01
schestowitzThey bribe those who say patents==innovationJun 21 19:01
schestowitzAnd abuse those who oppose itJun 21 19:01
ThistleWebwe badly need balanceJun 21 19:01
schestowitzLike the guardian of status quoJun 21 19:01
ThistleWebis the guardian of status quo not known as a roadie?Jun 21 19:02
ThistleWebor a bouncer evenJun 21 19:03
ThistleWebwhich is different from the guardian of the status quoJun 21 19:03
ThistleWebcan we really be surprised at what we have when out govt ministers are all career politicians with legal backgrounds who are given the job on loyalty to the current boss rather than their ability to do the job or have a passion / background for the subject?Jun 21 19:05
trmancowtfJun 21 19:05
trmancoYahoo! is getting more Twitter a-likeJun 21 19:05
tacone?Jun 21 19:05
trmancoNew! We've redesigned so you can get to the good stuff first!Jun 21 19:05
trmancoNow see emails and Updates from friends and family, right here.Jun 21 19:05
taconeit's the google wave fashion.Jun 21 19:06
schestowitzYEah.Jun 21 19:06
trmancoand then is has an input area where can update you're statusJun 21 19:06
schestowitzCheap wordsJun 21 19:06
schestowitzLike txting cultureJun 21 19:06
ThistleWebya can't blame them, they're so far behind google all they can do is wave to be seenJun 21 19:06
schestowitzme gta luv itJun 21 19:06
trmancoyeahJun 21 19:06
schestowitzBrain dosage limited to 20 words quotientJun 21 19:06
trmancomore wave a likeJun 21 19:07
trmancoI still am waiting for a Wave inviteJun 21 19:07
taconeinternet companies need a good way to get the users off those old gui crappy mail clientsJun 21 19:07
taconeas they don't show adsense.Jun 21 19:07
schestowitzThey spy thoughJun 21 19:07
ThistleWebmeanwhile Microsoft are like the guy in the back seat of the special bus waving at everyone with a big smile on his face thinkin' he's going somewhere the peeps outside have never beenJun 21 19:08
ThistleWeblicking the windowsJun 21 19:08
trmancoNew! We've redesigned so you can get to the good stuff first!Jun 21 19:09
trmancoNow see emails and Updates from friends and family, right here.Jun 21 19:09
trmancocrapJun 21 19:09
trmancoConnecting with friends and family allows you to:Jun 21 19:09
trmanco    * See new emails from Connections first, right hereJun 21 19:09
trmanco    * Easily view emails from your Connections only. No more clutter!Jun 21 19:09
trmanco    * Keep up with their online Updates automatically.Jun 21 19:09
trmancothey call it "Connections"Jun 21 19:09
schestowitzMicrosoft calls them "conspirators" :-)Jun 21 19:10
ThistleWebyahoo, aol and msn were always cluttered portals because nobody thought any different, until Google came along with a simple interfaceJun 21 19:10
*schestowitz never used gmailJun 21 19:10
trmancoyeahJun 21 19:10
trmancoIt's a nice appJun 21 19:11
*tacone uses a whole lot of google productsJun 21 19:11
trmancojavascript heavy one tooJun 21 19:11
trmancoheck, they are all javascript heavyJun 21 19:11
twitter"Connections" are only needed by people who don't have a good email client.Jun 21 19:11
schestowitzWatchdog Publishes Missing White House E-Mails http://www.crn.com/government/218000270;jsessionid=SW4TGAS1CGN34QSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVNJun 21 19:11
trmancohttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/whatsnew/smarterinboxJun 21 19:11
twitterReasonable email clients have filters, so clutter is automatically removed and the things you care about automatically go where they should.Jun 21 19:12
schestowitzYahoo! won't appeal to many dudes with purpleJun 21 19:12
schestowitzWall Street posts losing week < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/118e8ef0-5cd1-11de-9d42-00144feabdc0.html?referrer_id=yahoofinance&ft_ref=yahoo1&segid=03058 >Jun 21 19:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Yahoo! tried to mimic Google Wave with it's own "Connections"Jun 21 19:12
schestowitztrmanco: it's not mimickingJun 21 19:12
schestowitzGoogle did not invest itJun 21 19:13
schestowitzJust embracing a piece of s/w or idea and extending itJun 21 19:13
trmancowell, that was my first impressionJun 21 19:13
trmancothey didn't extend anythingJun 21 19:13
schestowitzBut how to put it...?Jun 21 19:13
schestowitzmimic...Jun 21 19:13
schestowitzCOpyJun 21 19:13
schestowitzInspire...?Jun 21 19:13
schestowitzNo word I can think of.Jun 21 19:13
schestowitz"Maybe independent develops something that looks similar"Jun 21 19:13
trmancoyeahJun 21 19:14
schestowitzI guess any comparison to something prior will imply inspirationJun 21 19:14
trmancoinspiredJun 21 19:14
schestowitzBut it ain'tJun 21 19:14
schestowitzIt doesn't have toJun 21 19:14
ThistleWebthere's very little in this world that's totally new, in any walk of life everything is a new take or rethink on something elseJun 21 19:14
schestowitzGoogle copies Twitter copies blogs copies E-mail copies pagers, etc.Jun 21 19:15
ThistleWebso it's bizarre that patents have gained traction at allJun 21 19:15
schestowitzWhy?Jun 21 19:15
schestowitzPeople love monopoliesJun 21 19:15
schestowitz"Good for me, bad for you"Jun 21 19:15
schestowitzBut..Jun 21 19:15
schestowitzAs RMS pointed out in his talks:Jun 21 19:15
schestowitzPeople think about benefit to self, not harm,Jun 21 19:15
ThistleWebI mean from the patents office POVJun 21 19:15
schestowitzThey think how dun it is to have patents and demand moneyJun 21 19:15
ThistleWebthat they'd be allowed to growJun 21 19:15
schestowitzBut it's reciprocal in a negative wayJun 21 19:16
schestowitzFor each 10 people whom you charge you have 10 more suing youJun 21 19:16
trmancoGoogle's wave is going to be "open source"Jun 21 19:16
trmanconot sure what license thoughJun 21 19:16
ThistleWebwell, it keeps the lawyers employedJun 21 19:16
schestowitzSo only the meta-industries (like lawyers) win from this new layer of complexityJun 21 19:16
schestowitzOr those who exploit the USPTO-enabled scam manage to squeeze out more than they loseJun 21 19:16
ThistleWeband the beurocrats to implement itJun 21 19:16
schestowitzThe lawyers movementJun 21 19:17
schestowitzThe lawyers cartelJun 21 19:17
schestowitzGood luck breaking down their fortressesJun 21 19:17
schestowitzthey went to college learning how to exploit this artificial, man-made system to make revenieJun 21 19:17
schestowitz*nueJun 21 19:17
ThistleWebindeedyJun 21 19:17
schestowitzWS is down sharply againJun 21 19:18
schestowitzDid the public looting run out so fastJun 21 19:18
taconeofflining soon.Jun 21 19:18
schestowitz?Jun 21 19:18
schestowitz$700,000,000,000 in  public looting lasting just months?Jun 21 19:18
ThistleWebeven that ammount only buys so many vacation homes and luxury yaghtsJun 21 19:19
schestowitzSome old news is being bumped at Google (from Aussie): Yahoo set to reject Microsoft's offer < http://www.smh.com.au/technology/biz-tech/yahoo-set-to-reject-microsofts-offer-20090618-ck59.html >Jun 21 19:21
schestowitzYahoo sees up to $27 million charges for job cuts http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061902709.html.Jun 21 19:22
schestowitzMS PR puppet says "Yahoo-Microsoft deal less likely, analyst says"Jun 21 19:22
ThistleWebI expected Bartz to come in and be a M$ puppet, but she seems not to be, unless she's playing hard to get for a better priceJun 21 19:22
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ThistleWebschestowitz: do you know anything about the YPL licence in regards to being forked to save a project from being shut down?Jun 21 19:39
schestowitzThistleWeb: she was there for MicrosoftJun 21 19:40
schestowitzAlso inviting them to buy for a high priceJun 21 19:40
schestowitzShe's a former MS partner (Authodesk)Jun 21 19:40
ThistleWebI know she was M$ freindlyJun 21 19:40
schestowitzYPL?Jun 21 19:41
schestowitzYahoo?Jun 21 19:41
ThistleWebthats why I expected her to just roll overJun 21 19:41
ThistleWebyesJun 21 19:41
schestowitzI don't know itJun 21 19:41
ThistleWebI'm curious about ZimbraJun 21 19:41
schestowitzRoll over?Jun 21 19:41
schestowitzWell, the belly gets softer with age :-)Jun 21 19:41
schestowitzZimbra is not in a position to be forkedJun 21 19:41
ThistleWebI reckon Microsoft will try to buy parts of Yahoo, rather than the whole thing, and Zimbra will be a high value target so they can close it downJun 21 19:41
schestowitzBut MS won't buy the whole bundleJun 21 19:42
schestowitzMS is parctically brokeJun 21 19:42
schestowitzBut it's hiding itJun 21 19:42
schestowitzNot the people, the companyJun 21 19:42
ThistleWebif Zimbra can't be forked and is bought, are there any other FOSS exchange competitors?Jun 21 19:43
ThistleWebthats the only one I know ofJun 21 19:44
taconehttp://www.itwire.com/content/view/25799/1231/ ?Jun 21 19:47
schestowitzMono ShieldsJun 21 19:49
schestowitzI call them "Mono guards"Jun 21 19:49
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/21/mono-guard-alternatealias/Jun 21 19:50
schestowitzIt would be less surprising that this happens if Ubuntu has MS employees in itJun 21 19:50
schestowitzTHose whose past motivates them to boost c#Jun 21 19:50
schestowitzBest of both worlds... past employers as wellJun 21 19:50
ThistleWebI wonder who's gonna be the first to break the identity of the Stig onlineJun 21 19:55
*ThistleWeb thinks there's loads of people with Twitter open, hands on keyboards poised to strike when it's revealedJun 21 19:56
schestowitzStig?Jun 21 19:57
ThistleWebTop GearJun 21 19:57
schestowitzJoseph Stig :-)Jun 21 19:57
ThistleWebhe's the test driver who's always hidden under his helmetJun 21 19:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora 11 Provides Glimpse of Future for Red Hat Enterprise Linux < http://ping.fm/U2ilt >Jun 21 19:57
ThistleWebapparently they're gonna reveal his identiy on tonights showJun 21 19:57
ThistleWebwhich I assume has started on BBC2Jun 21 19:58
ThistleWebthough it'll be the finale just before 9Jun 21 19:58
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wallclimbRoy, I just stopped in to let you know that I sent you an email with the plex0411 as textJun 21 20:01
ThistleWebhe's actually Stig the 2nd after the first one was sacked for outing himself in his autobiographyJun 21 20:01
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schestowitzHi, wallclimb Jun 21 20:04
schestowitzLet me checkJun 21 20:04
schestowitzI have some very good one coming :-DJun 21 20:04
wallclimbHi!Jun 21 20:04
schestowitzAh! Got it!Jun 21 20:05
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schestowitzThere's one you really want to see.Jun 21 20:05
schestowitzttp://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/gates-exhibits/PX08256.pdfJun 21 20:05
schestowitzBillg: "Our most potent Operating System competitor is Linux and the phenomena around Open Source and free software. The same phenomena fuels competitors to all of our products. The ease of picking up Linux to learn it or to modify some piece of it is very attractive. The academic community, start up companies, foreign governments and many other constituencies are putting their best work into Linux."Jun 21 20:06
wallclimbwow, billg actually said that?Jun 21 20:09
schestowitzThere's more where it came fromJun 21 20:09
schestowitzWe'll do a good indexJun 21 20:10
schestowitz[of things he said]Jun 21 20:10
wallclimbi know he didn't really want anyone outside of microsoft to read itJun 21 20:10
schestowitzThey are losingJun 21 20:10
schestowitzLike I told cday, I hope we get to do all this before MS completely drops to oblivion and out of relevanceJun 21 20:11
schestowitzI said this /before/ MS went into debtJun 21 20:11
schestowitzwallclimb: we have a lot of trolling and smearsJun 21 20:11
schestowitzFake things to cause a riotJun 21 20:11
schestowitzThis means we're on targetJun 21 20:11
schestowitzI suppose you saw the posts about Novel's finance this weekJun 21 20:12
schestowitzIt drives them madJun 21 20:12
schestowitzWe cleaned up IRC... trolls bannedJun 21 20:12
schestowitzSo it's less noisy nowJun 21 20:12
wallclimbi like that it's less noisyJun 21 20:13
schestowitzEasier for everyoneJun 21 20:14
schestowitzThey multiply the damage when flooding channelsJun 21 20:14
wallclimbi don't think we need to worry about getting everything done before ms bellys upJun 21 20:15
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wallclimband if they did belly up tomorrow, then we'd have time before all the law suits hit 'emJun 21 20:16
schestowitzWell, it has been there for decadesJun 21 20:16
schestowitzThat's why I let it rest until summerJun 21 20:16
schestowitzOSI/Red Hat makes use of this archiveJun 21 20:17
schestowitzThey link to the exhibitsJun 21 20:17
schestowitzThat's why folks try to smear the siteJun 21 20:17
schestowitzAnd the closer we get the guns, the louder they scream (trolls)Jun 21 20:17
wallclimbi always hope others will read this stuff.  i couldn't help but wonder how Sun feels when these documents areJun 21 20:18
wallclimbexposed to the world.Jun 21 20:18
schestowitzMost people won't learnJun 21 20:18
schestowitzThey'll read Forbes and FortuneJun 21 20:18
ThistleWebusually peeps who hide behind NDA's have something they know some peeps wouldn't approve of if it were publicJun 21 20:19
wallclimbthe 0411 exhibit really shows ms's intentions to rip Sun to piecesJun 21 20:19
schestowitzToday: http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/21/technology/best_advice_bill_gates.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quoteJun 21 20:19
schestowitzAwwwwwwwww.... :-)Jun 21 20:19
schestowitzWhat a cute couple, eh?Jun 21 20:19
wallclimbeww!Jun 21 20:19
ThistleWebif the agreements were all conducted legally and fairly, it's contents wouldn't need an NDAJun 21 20:19
schestowitzwallclimb: no "eww"Jun 21 20:20
schestowitzThe press says we must love themJun 21 20:20
schestowitzTrust FortuneJun 21 20:21
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codpeaceloJun 21 20:21
schestowitzIt's the magazine which had the breaking story about nasty Linux "pirates" stealing 200+ MS patentsJun 21 20:21
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schestowitzFortune is WELL in the Microsoft pocketsJun 21 20:21
wallclimbwell, it's been fun, but it's a quiet, sunny sunday and the birds are singing, and i need a napJun 21 20:21
schestowitzThanks a million!Jun 21 20:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Lobbies to Support Ogg, Opera Pushes Google to Ogg http://ping.fm/tc8NE http://ping.fm/vQYgTJun 21 20:22
wallclimbyou're welcome, looking forward to the next one!Jun 21 20:22
wallclimbbye!Jun 21 20:23
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_Goblininteresting set of posts Roy!Jun 21 20:27
schestowitzI have blasts tomorrowJun 21 20:27
schestowitzMaybe tonight, if I'm not too tiredJun 21 20:27
schestowitzThe fun will come in July with more ComesJun 21 20:27
_GoblinI'm off monday! Some interesting reading!Jun 21 20:27
schestowitzOff? Bank holiday? Naaa..Jun 21 20:28
_GoblinRDJun 21 20:28
_Goblinworked today...so Ive done a 7 day runJun 21 20:29
_Goblinwhat happened to Lusers?Jun 21 20:30
schestowitzWhich one/s?Jun 21 20:31
schestowitzMutex nym?Jun 21 20:31
_GoblinI'm not sure...the one from last night...Jun 21 20:32
_Goblinhe/she was interesting....Jun 21 20:32
MinceRhe was _Mutex_, ban-evading.Jun 21 20:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lucid Imagination scares up funds for open-source search software http://ping.fm/XsmvUJun 21 20:32
_Goblina strange increase in that sort of behaviour here...I wonder what they are worried about?Jun 21 20:32
_Goblinand Ive also noticed that whenever MONO is mentioned DaemonFX joins the channel..Jun 21 20:33
_Goblinlets put that to the testJun 21 20:33
_Goblinmono mono monoJun 21 20:33
MinceRperhaps the linsux guys have decided to swarm us or something.Jun 21 20:34
schestowitz_Goblin: he came back as "TempFileJun 21 20:34
MinceRhopefully he won't be able to join the channel anymore.Jun 21 20:34
schestowitzThey uibbit a lotJun 21 20:34
schestowitz*mJun 21 20:34
_GoblinI was thinking that maybe one of the users here is a bot and it scans for trigger words...Jun 21 20:34
schestowitzNo, that's twitter usersJun 21 20:34
schestowitzTwitter is a marketing mazeJun 21 20:34
schestowitzAll sorts of botJun 21 20:34
schestowitzScaryJun 21 20:34
schestowitzIt's on its way down thoughJun 21 20:35
schestowitzLike DiggJun 21 20:35
_GoblinIts a shame....Jun 21 20:35
twitterI am not scary, lolJun 21 20:35
schestowitzThey grow and then they get invadedJun 21 20:35
schestowitzLike SlashdotJun 21 20:35
MinceRtwitter: lolJun 21 20:35
schestowitztwitter gets driven out of /,Jun 21 20:35
schestowitzBy marketing peopleJun 21 20:35
twitterI'll be backJun 21 20:35
schestowitzThey want to reign a kingdom of eyeballsJun 21 20:35
MinceRwell, afaik mibbit is banned on freenode nowJun 21 20:35
twitterthey lose focus with so many frontsJun 21 20:35
schestowitzSo the eyeballs go away when they realise what's going onJun 21 20:35
schestowitzPR --- it DESTORYS everythingJun 21 20:36
schestowitzLike a path of blood-sucking leechesJun 21 20:36
schestowitzTaking communities, turning them to $$$$$$4Jun 21 20:36
schestowitzThe Waggener scum followed through to twitterJun 21 20:36
schestowitzThey invaded that tooJun 21 20:36
twitterSlashdot comments have been destroyed for about five years.  Now they attack the stories.  No money is actually made, it is all destruction.Jun 21 20:37
schestowitzSuddenly they realised they put the shils in the wrong placeJun 21 20:37
schestowitzI keep track of MS shilling inTwitter nowJun 21 20:37
_GoblinIve found twitterfall is very good for that.Jun 21 20:37
twitterThe attacks are mean as well.Jun 21 20:37
twitterLike the big piles of horse shit.Jun 21 20:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments Make More Adoptions of Free Software http://ping.fm/ysHQqJun 21 20:37
twitterJoe Wilcox also has a brown scheme for TwitterJun 21 20:38
schestowitzThey force you to escape accountsJun 21 20:38
schestowitzI can imagineJun 21 20:38
schestowitzAnd then use that to smear youJun 21 20:38
schestowitzWilcox?Jun 21 20:38
_GoblinWas I wrong about Mr Wilcox....bigtime.Jun 21 20:38
schestowitzWhat about him?Jun 21 20:38
twitterHe follows the horse shit dude.Jun 21 20:38
twitterof vice versaJun 21 20:38
_GoblinYou know Roy, I disagreed originally with your assesment of Mr Wilcox...I thought you were wrong...Turns out you had his card from day one....I wont make that mistake again.Jun 21 20:39
schestowitzWhat's he up to?Jun 21 20:50
schestowitzI miss thatJun 21 20:50
schestowitzBut he's with MSJun 21 20:50
schestowitzHe was in Jupiter beforeJun 21 20:50
schestowitzDoing the MS fanboyism with "analyst" hatJun 21 20:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] USPTO Operates a Scam for Cheap Labour?http://ping.fm/RjlZyJun 21 20:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://ping.fm/jdlVS Microsoft Products Still at Risk of Dying at High PaceJun 21 20:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Forrester, Which Microsoft Paid to Attack Linux, Does it Again? http://ping.fm/vXfwaJun 21 20:57
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twitterI played with KDE 4.2 in Debian Testing yesterday.  There's a lot that's impressive and a few steps backwards.Jun 21 21:20
_GoblinIve been playing with Zenwalk 6 some more...really great distro.Jun 21 21:20
twitterGraphics performance was amazing, given my pathetic hardware - unaccelerated 2D 512 MB RAM on P4.Jun 21 21:21
twitterTesting is never a good place to be soon after a stable release.Jun 21 21:22
twitterIt is as it was described, a great subsystem that has not been fully exploited.Jun 21 21:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Gains the Upper Hand Despite Microsoft Bribes, Smears, FUD http://ping.fm/vxtvqJun 21 21:22
twitterNormal users and people who need to get work done are better off with Lenny right now.Jun 21 21:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] Should #gimp be stripped from !ubuntu ? http://is.gd/18A9cJun 21 21:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Happy man. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/8696.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/522462.htmlJun 21 21:27
twitterI'm not impressed by the ODF try before you buy website.Jun 21 21:28
twitterIt will be used as a delaying and FUD tactic by M$.  They can say, "You really ought to try this before committing.  Look, it fails!" Where they have no hope of success themselves.Jun 21 21:29
twitterThe fact of the matter is that real interoperability between application suits will happen with ODF but they have never happened with M$ Office.Jun 21 21:30
twitterM$ Office usually fails between computers, printers and versions - none of which ever match.Jun 21 21:31
twitterWith ODF, you know that everyone can get a free editing program instead of shelling out $400. This is better than M$ Office even if ODF has interoperability problems like M$ Office does.Jun 21 21:33
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schestowitzfew people do complex documentsJun 21 21:36
schestowitzMost people may read someJun 21 21:36
schestowitzA few more will write a letterJun 21 21:36
schestowitzSome might do a presentation for non-professional purposesJun 21 21:36
schestowitzNot many people even work in an officeJun 21 21:36
schestowitzI'll do some daily links now, then some posts until I get sleeptJun 21 21:37
schestowitz*pyJun 21 21:37
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/f97adb063b97a81Jun 21 21:41
trmancohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue147Jun 21 21:45
trmancohttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-June/008837.htmlJun 21 21:48
twitterLOL, trmanco, on browser memory usage, see comment down the line "the author is basically right.  Since he's running on Vista ..."  can anything from Vista be trusted at all?  More importantly, who cares?Jun 21 21:48
trmancowell, a lot a people care, I actually care and it does provide a good measurement even though it was made on vistaJun 21 21:50
trmancoI could actually try to port the c# script into something more Linux friendly and try it outJun 21 21:50
trmancoI've got Chrome and FirefoxJun 21 21:50
twitterThat would be interesting.Jun 21 21:51
twitterbut why is it a C# script?Jun 21 21:51
twitterthese Windows people....Jun 21 21:51
trmancoyeah, I guess the link using Visual StudioJun 21 21:53
trmancolike*Jun 21 21:53
trmancothey*Jun 21 21:53
schestowitzMicrosoft has API biasJun 21 21:53
schestowitzBe careful thereJun 21 21:53
trmancoeven though it takes a while to compile a tiny script like thatJun 21 21:53
schestowitzAnd dirty history around itJun 21 21:54
schestowitzE.g. vs NetscapeJun 21 21:54
twitterso, the whole thing is a way of FUDing competitors?  That would be like M$.Jun 21 21:54
trmancoIE wasn't even measuredJun 21 21:55
twitterFind tests that only IE can do and make a suite to show failure of competitors. IE test is next step.Jun 21 21:55
trmancoseems like the dude who made the script couldn't find a way to just open the links into one browserJun 21 21:55
twitterOh well.  Thanks for the link.  I'm more interested in freedom than performance, though I've been getting both lately.  Konq 3.5 does well with everything but annoying M$ centric sites.Jun 21 21:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Stupid Microsoft Tricks: error opening .ZIP over SMB: http://bit.ly/VoHyj ah yeah, thanks for that Windows.Jun 21 21:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] @trmanco: i just claim that f-spot editing features are far to be called 'editing'. it has implicit saving (!).So, how to change img format?Jun 21 21:57
taconeaahahahahah i checked up f-spotJun 21 21:57
taconeit has implicit saving.Jun 21 21:57
taconea good way to mess pictures.Jun 21 21:58
trmancowhat is that?Jun 21 21:58
taconeno way to convert between formats.Jun 21 21:58
taconeevery change you do with fspot is automatically saved.Jun 21 21:58
taconenot that you can change much, despite the claims of that ex-ms employeeJun 21 21:58
trmancoI seeJun 21 21:59
twitternice link to removing Fspot from Ubuntu live CD.  I have to agree that Language support is more important for Ubuntu than FSpot.Jun 21 21:59
trmancothat's not really my problemJun 21 22:00
trmancomy problem is that someone also proposed to remove GIMP from the livecdJun 21 22:00
trmanco"uh, save 20/25 megs just by removing gimp and docs"Jun 21 22:01
trmancoI say "Remove the hole mono stack and save up to 50+ MB on the live cd"Jun 21 22:01
trmancoagain, whole*Jun 21 22:01
trmanco:-)Jun 21 22:01
taconethat's idiotic.Jun 21 22:02
taconehow can you ever think that f-spot is a proper replacement for gimp ?Jun 21 22:02
taconethey're not even far related.Jun 21 22:02
taconeif that guy proposed to replace gimp with a paint.net that would be more serious.Jun 21 22:02
trmancobut stillJun 21 22:04
trmancopaint.net?Jun 21 22:04
trmancoI would prefer tuxpaint :-PJun 21 22:04
taconesomeone please explain me how mono is cross-platformJun 21 22:05
taconeany windows application use winforms.Jun 21 22:05
taconeany linux app uses gtk#Jun 21 22:05
taconewtf ?Jun 21 22:05
trmancoyeah, install winforms for linuxJun 21 22:06
trmancoand then pay for it tooJun 21 22:06
taconewow. they still need a portJun 21 22:06
taconelike this http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-15-1.htmlJun 21 22:06
taconeit's from 2007, but... how comes banshee and tomboy only recently gained a windows version ?Jun 21 22:07
taconewhat about the other apps ?Jun 21 22:07
trmancoin a year or so, you will see people push that instead of gimpJun 21 22:07
schestowitzLinks posted < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/21/new-threats-to-the-web/ >.. on to a daily smackdownJun 21 22:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] it gets better. you also get http://i42.tinypic.com/2mnoylc.jpg when you RIGHT-CLICK on a .ZIP over SMB. that's not opaque at all, no no.Jun 21 22:17
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trmancohttp://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=698Jun 21 22:21
trmancowtfJun 21 22:21
twittertech republic is M$ fanboy site and should be ignoredJun 21 22:22
trmancoI was about to say thatJun 21 22:23
trmancoI was just about to look him upJun 21 22:23
twitterIt's the editor.Jun 21 22:24
twitterI noticed a few big Jack Ass things the Tech Republic editor said a few days ago.  That was enough for me.Jun 21 22:25
twitterThis author says, "For the longest time the browser war had two camps and both camps were neck and neck."  Anyone who would consider IE and FF to have been "neck and neck" over the last decade is not qualified to judge browsers.Jun 21 22:26
twitter:)Jun 21 22:26
twitterNo, I'm not going to give those hostile clowns all of my personal info to look at the guy's detailed Bio.Jun 21 22:28
twitterThe bad guys already have my personal info....Jun 21 22:29
trmancohehJun 21 22:29
trmancoI stopped reading the article when he said the FF 3.5 was slower than 3.0Jun 21 22:29
trmancothats bullshitJun 21 22:29
trmancoand I'm not talking about javascript rendering speedsJun 21 22:30
twitterAs people start to use more restricted media and platforms, they start to notice how much DRM sucks.  http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/21/1945216/Kindle-Zune-DRM-Restrictions-Coming-Into-FocusJun 21 22:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @ruiseabra: strip Mono, s/Banshee/Rhythmbox/, s/Tomboy/Gnote/, s/f-spot/gThumb (or Solang)/ http://is.gd/18BMnJun 21 22:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Popular culture in spam: just got one with subject line "Weebl and Boob".Jun 21 22:32
twitterHa ha, library writing for FF plugins.  Wanna bet the user was on Windows?  http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/21/1839203/Sothink-Violated-the-FlashGot-GPL-and-Stole-CodeJun 21 22:34
twitteroh yes, that's Windoze.  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/220Jun 21 22:36
twitterKget works for the purpose.Jun 21 22:37
trmancoflashgot works on linux tooJun 21 22:38
trmancoI thinkJun 21 22:38
twitterthe screenshots are windows.  I imagine it and many others would also work on GNU/Linux, but I don't like the whole application add on thing. It skirts distro repositories and invites malware.Jun 21 22:39
twitterFlashgot is not found in Lenny.Jun 21 22:41
twitterI'll stick with kget, which is.Jun 21 22:41
trmancoI'm actually the opposite typeJun 21 22:42
trmancoI like to get my extensions off AMOJun 21 22:42
trmancoI only use the repositories extensions when the one I get from AMO has integration problemsJun 21 22:42
trmancolike lightning for ThunderbirdJun 21 22:42
trmancothe one in the repos works, then on on AMO doesn't workJun 21 22:43
twitterTo each his own.  I would trust a reputable extension web site, but it would be difficult for them to match my confidence in Debian.Jun 21 22:45
twitterWhat Debian trusts, I can trust.Jun 21 22:45
twitterWow, an immune response to cancer that seems to have worked.  http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/21/1433249/Mayo-Clinic-Reports-Dramatic-Outcomes-In-Prostate-Cancer-TreatmentJun 21 22:50
twitterit's about time.Jun 21 22:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] hehehe, I won't :-PJun 21 22:57
taconetwitter: and in a late situation !Jun 21 23:00
taconegosh. !ubuntu group on identi.ca didn't took lightly my postJun 21 23:08
schestowitzJack Wallen is the good guyJun 21 23:08
schestowitzDon't attack him.Jun 21 23:08
schestowitzBut the site as a whole is an MS siteJun 21 23:08
schestowitzOu and HinerJun 21 23:08
taconehttp://identi.ca/notice/5595898Jun 21 23:08
tacone!http://identi.ca/group/8/id boys, boys, let's solve this the MS way: strip GIMP, Mono & Mono apps. At least noone wins! :D [personally, GIMP > any Mono app]Jun 21 23:09
schestowitzWho is bugabundo?Jun 21 23:10
twitterA good guy in a bad site?Jun 21 23:10
twitterthat's a shame for the good guy.Jun 21 23:10
twitterJason Hiner added to Poison Pen collection.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/206959Jun 21 23:10
schestowitztacone: what's going on?Jun 21 23:11
schestowitzI think someone who read you posted about fspotJun 21 23:11
taconei posted on identi.ca myselfJun 21 23:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] it's not about #mono. it's about keeping #gimp . Would you say #fspot can replace it in any way ? Is this a joke !ubuntu ?Jun 21 23:12
taconebut you cannot strip gimp come on. not because of f-spot.Jun 21 23:13
taconei could understand if you replace it with a basic image editor.. but f-spot !Jun 21 23:13
taconewhich editing features has fspot ? that's hilarious. a joke.Jun 21 23:13
twitterWhat the heck is !ubuntu, "not ubuntu"?Jun 21 23:15
twitterThe mono people are welcome to do whatever they want with "not ubuntu"Jun 21 23:16
twitterit would be nice if they'd just make their own distroJun 21 23:16
twittercall it "not ubuntu" or Suse or something.Jun 21 23:17
tacone!ubuntu is the identi.ca ubuntu groupJun 21 23:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] the only thing I would replace #gimp with on the !ubuntu cd would be a full set of #pr0n wallpapersJun 21 23:17
taconeall groups on identica are preceded by !Jun 21 23:17
taconeuh... embarassing :)Jun 21 23:18
twittermicroblogging..... the more I see of it, the less I want of it.Jun 21 23:20
twitterbut that does answer my question.  !ubuntu is indeed "not ubuntu"Jun 21 23:21
twitter:)Jun 21 23:21
twitterThere's a lot of Vista revisionism in the news lately.  http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=microsoft+vistaJun 21 23:22
taconetwitter: i still not like that much microblogging. mainly because bad desktop integration. but sure it helps in some way if you blog.Jun 21 23:23
twitterhttp://online.barrons.com/article/SB124545047774832575.html  " XP remains the official operating-system software of Dow Jones laptops"  Ugh.Jun 21 23:25
twitterhow can they stand it?Jun 21 23:25
twitterLOL, "  there's a head of steam building for Windows 7 that hasn't been seen in a long, long time"  FUD fog?  he likes that?Jun 21 23:26
twitterBarrons, Dow Jones - fraud.Jun 21 23:27
twitterEven the Ina Fried shill does not expect people to rush in on Vista 7.  http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10259130-56.htmlJun 21 23:29
schestowitztwitter: Barron's is an MS shillJun 21 23:29
schestowitzI could send you links about itJun 21 23:30
twitterYet another "Buy M$ Now" article http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/06/20/institutional-investors-suddenly-loving-microsoft/Jun 21 23:30
twitterI can see.Jun 21 23:30
schestowitzIf it's Eric Savitz (haven't looked), I would not be surprisedJun 21 23:30
twitterIt's not worth looking at.Jun 21 23:30
schestowitzMicrosoft pays analysts to recommend them, I reckonJun 21 23:30
schestowitzThat's how financial analysts workJun 21 23:30
twitterI'm just surprised by the sudden flood of such BS.Jun 21 23:30
schestowitzSee Moody's fiasco for exampleJun 21 23:30
twitterWhisper campaign to pump M$ stock?Jun 21 23:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Nathan Myhrvold on How “to Freeze the Market at the OEM and ISV Level” < http://ping.fm/d5SdX > I enjoyed this this one.Jun 21 23:32
twitterfrom last link  -> Goldman Sachs upgraded the stock to "Conviction Buy," <- the kind of conviction that brings hard time?Jun 21 23:32
trmancoschestowitz, BUGabundo is a PT friend of mine :-P and he is also a MOTU tooJun 21 23:34
schestowitzYeah! I can see. The whole thing is now spread beyond BN :-) as full text all over the Web. < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/21/nathan-myhrvold-antitrust-memo/ > I enjoyed this this one.Jun 21 23:35
schestowitzThe past will come back to haunt themJun 21 23:35
schestowitzSachs and MS are closeJun 21 23:35
schestowitzI could get linkJun 21 23:35
schestowitzBut..Jun 21 23:35
schestowitzI don't want to write about itJun 21 23:35
schestowitzIt gives attention to MS fake 'upgrade'Jun 21 23:35
twittercoolJun 21 23:35
schestowitzBased on nothingJun 21 23:36
schestowitzBased on... vapourware and ZuneJun 21 23:36
schestowitzWhile XBox collapsesJun 21 23:36
twitterIt is irritating to search Google Science and Tech for "Microsoft Vista" and get a pile of stock market swindle articles.Jun 21 23:36
schestowitzThe harder it is to decipher, the more important it is to spread as plain text.Jun 21 23:37
schestowitzI have more coming.Jun 21 23:37
twitterNice work.  I did not notice that the story was from today.Jun 21 23:41
twitter:)Jun 21 23:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] estou a pensar em ir à praia amanha... a ver vamosJun 21 23:42
taconelol http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350990#c37Jun 21 23:44
taconeI simpatize with the tomboy devs but it's pretty funny.Jun 21 23:45
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