IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: June 22nd, 2009

macabe_Outstanding post from Charlie Demerjian, thanks, Roy.  http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/06/12/ms-steps-snapdragon/Jun 22 00:09
schestowitzYeahJun 22 00:17
schestowitzI put it in daily linksJun 22 00:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Addressing a new danger that the GIMP gets replaced by Mono, by default < http://ping.fm/OkaCi >Jun 22 00:17
taconenice.Jun 22 00:18
taconeschestowitz: is the first link text wrong ?Jun 22 00:19
taconeoh no it isn't.Jun 22 00:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Sharing out Microshaft sales discussions to competitors: http://digg.com/d1uTBg?tJun 22 00:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The BSI's new link to Microsoft is Datawatch, a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner http://ping.fm/2TBD5 #odf #openxmlJun 22 00:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] The meaning of Microshaft comparisons?: http://digg.com/d1uTCT?tJun 22 00:37
taconehttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/hands-off-the-gimp/comment-page-1/#comment-35318Jun 22 00:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Windump machines are crashing everywhere !!!: http://digg.com/d1uTD2?tJun 22 00:42
taconeit loaded a lot faster than Tomboy, 2.324 seconds versus the 0.280 seconds of GnoteJun 22 00:46
tacone...Jun 22 00:46
schestowitztacone: I'm tired of those headlinesJun 22 00:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] When will Oracle take down Microshaft Corporation? : http://digg.com/d1uTES?tJun 22 00:47
schestowitzI added astralknight after some troll said it was annoying him in DiggJun 22 00:47
schestowitzRemovedJun 22 00:48
schestowitzIt's just too childishJun 22 00:48
taconeschestowitz: ?Jun 22 00:48
schestowitzYeah.Jun 22 00:48
taconewhy do say it to me ?Jun 22 00:48
schestowitztrmanco did bechmarks tooJun 22 00:48
taconei'm I missing something ?Jun 22 00:49
schestowitzNo.Jun 22 00:49
schestowitzI just saw all those twitsJun 22 00:49
taconethat benchmark is from trmanco.Jun 22 00:49
schestowitzStupid links to DiggJun 22 00:49
taconeyes, he digs a lotJun 22 00:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reports from ODF Plugfest, the Netherlands < http://ping.fm/kliGS >Jun 22 00:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Uses Sentimental Blackmail, Kickbacks to Promote IE8, Shoves it Down People’s Throats Regardless < http://ping.fm/0BIyk >Jun 22 01:27
taconelol, i diJun 22 01:30
taconeopsJun 22 01:30
taconetypeJun 22 01:30
taconetypoJun 22 01:30
schestowitz:-)Jun 22 01:30
taconegosh :)Jun 22 01:30
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_GoblinThats my other machine...(gentoo) Im just testing something outJun 22 01:37
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gentooand it hasnt appeared to work.Jun 22 01:37
_Hicham_Hi All!Jun 22 01:37
gentoohiJun 22 01:37
gentoosorry...Jun 22 01:37
_GoblinhiJun 22 01:37
gentoommmJun 22 01:38
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_Goblinok...fail#1Jun 22 01:38
_Hicham__Goblin : what are u testing?Jun 22 01:39
_Goblina little IRC type package I'm working on...(BOM)Jun 22 01:39
_Goblinlast time I messed with this code I ended up deleting some of my blog...Jun 22 01:41
_Goblinim more careful this time.Jun 22 01:41
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_Hicham_no one is in here?Jun 22 02:00
schestowitzHe just went BOMJun 22 02:03
schestowitzI was gonna say hiJun 22 02:03
_Hicham_hi schestowitzJun 22 02:05
_Hicham_we miss u in this channelJun 22 02:05
_Hicham_were u sleeping or what?Jun 22 02:05
schestowitzNo, doing postsJun 22 02:05
schestowitzRyan is the hyperactive oneJun 22 02:05
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yuhongBTW, I was able to post on RD after logging in.Jun 22 02:11
yuhongRD = Roughly DraftedJun 22 02:13
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wallcRoy, I just sent you an email with some fixes for the last Comes PDFJun 22 02:18
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_Hicham_schestowitz : did Ryan contribute with sthg?Jun 22 02:20
schestowitzNo, trolling worse than beforeJun 22 02:25
_Hicham_wowJun 22 02:25
_Hicham_he is getting worse everydayJun 22 02:25
_Hicham_maybe we should take him to a shrinkJun 22 02:25
schestowitzI'll post the logs to show yoJun 22 02:27
_Hicham_okJun 22 02:29
schestowitzHere, the two trolls found another: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/irc-log-21062009.html#tJun%2021%2007:09:07Jun 22 02:29
schestowitzgnJun 22 02:30
twitterkJun 22 02:30
twitterWindump machines are crashing everywhere.Jun 22 02:30
twitterIt's upsell time.Jun 22 02:31
twitterThe bugs always get worse when there's a new version to push.Jun 22 02:31
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_Hicham_wb Senor taconeJun 22 02:51
taconeehyJun 22 02:51
_Hicham_howdy?Jun 22 03:01
tessierschestowitz: How's everything? Been out of town the last week.Jun 22 03:11
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twitterRoy sleepsJun 22 03:26
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Omar87Hi allJun 22 05:53
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schestowitztessier: been good, thanksJun 22 08:16
schestowitzWe could upgrade wordpress, but I'd need you around as a safety net (if something does not go as planned), just in caseJun 22 08:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New USPTO Director to Be Appointed, Bad News for Freedom < http://ping.fm/vmBFT >Jun 22 08:32
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Not_much_left_for_Microsoft_to_cut_in_consumer_software_business_48623582.html "Streets & Trips “would be a candidate (for cutting) at some point, as well, given all the availability of mapping software online,” said industry analyst Stephen Baker of The NPD Group research firm, of Port Washington, N.Y."Jun 22 08:32
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schestowitztessier: is that DDOS at the moment?Jun 22 09:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BoycottNovell is under DDOS attack. We must have uncovered something good..?Jun 22 09:17
schestowitzSome good articles coming... :-)Jun 22 10:01
schestowitzAttacks ended or got defeatedJun 22 10:01
schestowitzMaybe the attacker got bored.Jun 22 10:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Pays More People to Attack Google as Microsoft’s Search Queries Fall Another 14 Percent in May < http://ping.fm/Fwoh1 >Jun 22 10:02
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trmancohttp://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/extensions/howtoJun 22 10:30
schestowitztrmanco: it can cannibalise FOSS counterpartsJun 22 10:38
schestowitzWe don't wan Google to replace smaller players that operate as a foundationJun 22 10:38
fewaFirefox is betterJun 22 10:39
Tallkenschestowitz, is it still under DDOS?Jun 22 10:39
trmancono not at all, but it will be a great competition for IEJun 22 10:39
schestowitzTallken: not anymore. It lasted half an hourJun 22 10:39
schestowitztrmanco: the sheeple will carry on using IEJun 22 10:39
Tallkenok, i was just curious, i accessed the site with no issuesJun 22 10:39
schestowitzUntil the commission does a better jobJun 22 10:39
fewaMozilla is doing more for free software than probably any other software right nowJun 22 10:39
schestowitzthe US government is corrupt, so it won't lift a fingerJun 22 10:39
schestowitzMS now forces Windows users to use IE8Jun 22 10:40
fewaat least for ordinary consumersJun 22 10:40
schestowitzOn top of a slog, bribes, etc.Jun 22 10:40
trmancoschestowitz, have you ever visited Google's frontpage while using IE? :-PJun 22 10:40
schestowitzNo.Jun 22 10:40
fewaIE 6?Jun 22 10:40
schestowitzI don't use IE or WindowsJun 22 10:40
schestowitzI have Windows 98 CDs on the rackJun 22 10:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Article: The Gates Foundation and Genetically-Modified Foods < http://ping.fm/2kF49 >Jun 22 10:42
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trmancofewa, yesJun 22 10:50
fewa*firefox is doing more for the public perception of free and open source softwareJun 22 10:51
fewaGNU/Linux is very big but users are generally unaware of its useJun 22 10:51
trmancoyeah that's trueJun 22 10:54
fewalike a gogle engineer pointed out, every time you use google, you are using a computer running LinuxJun 22 10:55
schestowitzIt was DibonoJun 22 11:01
schestowitzIt's a manager, not an engineerJun 22 11:01
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schestowitzAnd outside the US, Linux market share is quite decentJun 22 11:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Brings ‘American EDGI’ to Illinois, Virginia, and Indiana < http://ping.fm/hWb8h >Jun 22 11:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Contact HabitatUK and ask WTF they were thinking. http://socialmediatoday.com/SMC/103334Jun 22 11:42
zoobab01pongJun 22 11:45
MinceRspacewarJun 22 11:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] how can you doubt the #Iranelection results? Great participation: 110% turnout! http://is.gd/197uWJun 22 11:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Zune and Xbox Still Circling Down the Drain After Long Downtime < http://ping.fm/n1B96 >Jun 22 12:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft may have software patents associated with the implementation of XPS: http://bit.ly/3wQICzJun 22 12:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @techpractical BBC NEWS | Badger rampage injures five http://bit.ly/mOXNZJun 22 12:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO refuses to disclose Bilski's pending patent application: http://bit.ly/10cx37Jun 22 12:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] homeopathic positronium: http://is.gd/199Op the bit on Paracelsus is particularly ... tastyJun 22 12:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Gets Even Closer to the American Press, Promotes Vapourware < http://ping.fm/aSG18 >Jun 22 12:52
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schestowitz"David Kappos, USPTO Director, first open source fan to run USPTO - http://bit.ly/W6RKP we shall see how much of a fan in his new position" http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/2241087079 yeah, right........Jun 22 12:56
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_Hicham_Hi All!Jun 22 12:59
schestowitzMore "IP" propaganda: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/06/green-intellectual-property-project.htmlJun 22 13:00
schestowitz_Hicham_: Ryan is not coming backJun 22 13:01
schestowitzW3C launches appeal to scupper Apple patent http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/17/w3c_apple_prior_art/Jun 22 13:01
_Hicham_schestowitz : why?Jun 22 13:02
schestowitzIt's a repeat offenderJun 22 13:02
_Hicham_no, it is bad for the channelJun 22 13:04
_Hicham_kicking and banning should be just temporaryJun 22 13:04
MinceR_Hicham_: daemon is worse for the channelJun 22 13:04
MinceRhe fills it with noiseJun 22 13:04
_Hicham_MinceR : well, I hope that schestowitz took the right decisionJun 22 13:05
schestowitz"We have 457,153 pages of documents, of which 287,315 are unreviewed." < http://mps-expenses.guardian.co.uk/ >Jun 22 13:06
schestowitz_Hicham_: we'll give him a shot in a few days. Last chanceJun 22 13:06
schestowitzThe coming age of internet censorship < http://wikileaks.org/wiki/The_coming_age_of_internet_censorship >Jun 22 13:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NZ trying to illegalise Free(dom) software? Say "No". http://ping.fm/eFBY7Jun 22 13:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] EC calls for one world internet governance < http://ping.fm/mR5bb > eGlobalisation as in this case is harmless.Jun 22 13:07
schestowitzObama in cyberspaceObama in cyberspace < http://www.thepublicdomain.org/2009/06/18/obama-in-cyberspace/ >Jun 22 13:07
schestowitzXanliq Madrasa Demolished – Played Important Role in Kashgar’s History < http://www.thenewdominion.net/765/xanliq-madrasa-demolished-–-played-important-role-in-kashgar’s-history/ >Jun 22 13:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Don’t Hide your: Research, Share it! < http://ping.fm/yJEi1 > <-- Worked well for many /via @glynmoodyJun 22 13:12
_Hicham_schestowitz : I liked one sentence you saidJun 22 13:13
schestowitzWhich one?Jun 22 13:13
schestowitzBTW, the channel will be less noisy (as in less NOISE and traffic) without Ryan and other trolls. Maybe it's better for everyone this way.Jun 22 13:14
_Hicham_we need SUSE, not NovellJun 22 13:14
schestowitzDamage control: Statement On Review Of Intellectual Property Rights Reports < http://www.conferenceboard.ca/press/speech_oped/ipr.aspx >Jun 22 13:14
schestowitzSUSE is just the GPL codeJun 22 13:15
schestowitzCUPS, Samba, Linux, X, RadeonHD..Jun 22 13:15
_Hicham_there was a project to port yast to debianJun 22 13:15
schestowitzTerror law used to stop thousands 'just to balance racial statistics' < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/17/stop-search-terror-law-met >Jun 22 13:15
_Hicham_but it has stalledJun 22 13:15
_Hicham_years agoJun 22 13:15
schestowitz^^In simply terms, folks like me can be stopped by the police to pretend white people are suspetcs tooJun 22 13:16
schestowitzIf they want to say "we're just racist", let themJun 22 13:16
_Hicham_schestowitz : I am suspect more than u, since I am muslimJun 22 13:16
schestowitzThat's what happened with IraqJun 22 13:16
schestowitzWhen people across the world asked, "what does the US want from Iraq? They are not Al Qaeda"Jun 22 13:16
_Hicham_they wanted oilJun 22 13:17
schestowitzThere are two conclusions:Jun 22 13:17
_Hicham_just plain oilJun 22 13:17
_Hicham_and rape women in thereJun 22 13:17
schestowitz1) that the population was made so brainwashed that it thought 9/11 came from saddamJun 22 13:17
schestowitzOrJun 22 13:17
schestowitz2) That the US population is racistJun 22 13:17
_Hicham_I wish I could rape all those soldiers to deathJun 22 13:17
schestowitzNaaa...Jun 22 13:18
schestowitzDon't say such stuff in IRCJun 22 13:18
_Hicham_schestowitz : I am not afraid of themJun 22 13:18
schestowitzOKJun 22 13:18
schestowitzBut it's not helping the cause to say thisJun 22 13:18
schestowitzAnd they are not at faultyJun 22 13:18
schestowitzMany of them DO believe they Spread.Democracy();Jun 22 13:18
schestowitzAnd they believe Iraq killed relatives in WTCJun 22 13:19
schestowitzThey are misled, lied toJun 22 13:19
_Hicham_I would be very happy to die for our causeJun 22 13:19
schestowitzIt would not achieve anythingJun 22 13:19
schestowitzJust more escalationJun 22 13:19
_Hicham_fuck the USJun 22 13:19
schestowitzFight with your brain by exposing those who _mastermind it_Jun 22 13:19
schestowitzNot Bush evenJun 22 13:19
_Hicham_it is them who escalate everythingJun 22 13:19
schestowitzMore like the ruling classJun 22 13:19
schestowitzThose who profit from warsJun 22 13:19
schestowitzThe US public knows this tooJun 22 13:20
schestowitzThey wage protestsJun 22 13:20
_Hicham_the mass media is so powerful in the USJun 22 13:20
schestowitzSo Americans are not to blameJun 22 13:20
schestowitzThey are reigned by propaganda like FoxJun 22 13:20
_Hicham_I knowJun 22 13:20
_Hicham_u remember the video about the smartest people in the worldJun 22 13:20
schestowitzStudent Statement on The Right to Research < http://www.righttoresearch.org/ >Jun 22 13:20
_Hicham_that is caused by the mass media in the USJun 22 13:21
schestowitz_Hicham_: did you see Iran's election turnout?Jun 22 13:21
_Hicham_yesJun 22 13:21
schestowitzUnless there's lying the election was stolenJun 22 13:21
_Hicham_I am very angryJun 22 13:21
schestowitzWell..Jun 22 13:21
schestowitzKind of like BushJun 22 13:21
schestowitzWho never won the electionJun 22 13:21
schestowitzSo for the US to mock Iran for it is SOOOOOOO funnyJun 22 13:21
schestowitzHypocritesJun 22 13:21
_Hicham_Ahmadi Najad is one of the best presidents in the WorldJun 22 13:21
_Hicham_everJun 22 13:21
_Hicham_vive IranJun 22 13:21
_Hicham_vive Ahmadi NajadJun 22 13:22
_Hicham_they don't like people with ballsJun 22 13:23
schestowitzhttp://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/17/the-api-revolution/ < The API revolution >Jun 22 13:23
_Hicham_they like anal-ystsJun 22 13:23
_Hicham_I understand that u can't talk about the US in thereJun 22 13:23
_Hicham_u have "democracy"Jun 22 13:24
_Hicham_hahaJun 22 13:24
_Hicham_democracyJun 22 13:24
_Hicham_funny conceptJun 22 13:24
schestowitzSweden's socialism is more democraticJun 22 13:24
schestowitzAFAICTJun 22 13:24
schestowitzA fair election would be nice thoughJun 22 13:24
schestowitzWith facts devised for electionsJun 22 13:24
_Hicham_Sweden is the only country where there is democracyJun 22 13:24
schestowitzNot just propaganda and smearsJun 22 13:24
_Hicham_there is no democracy in the USJun 22 13:25
_Hicham_nor in the rest of EuropeJun 22 13:25
_Hicham_they are just lying to peopleJun 22 13:25
schestowitzThe US was never a democracyJun 22 13:25
schestowitzIt was not designed to beJun 22 13:25
schestowitzIt was meant to be run by ruling minorityJun 22 13:25
_Hicham_the US is a jungleJun 22 13:25
_Hicham_that is allJun 22 13:25
schestowitzSince the beginning. It's all very explicit, too.Jun 22 13:25
schestowitzCould the orang-utan be our closest relative?  < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227133.800 >Jun 22 13:26
_Hicham_and scientists from all over the world help them destroy the worldJun 22 13:26
_Hicham_fuck the US, and fuck Israel with them tooJun 22 13:26
schestowitzWe homo sapients are not descendants of moneys, but we share a common ancestorJun 22 13:26
_Hicham_who is that ancestor?Jun 22 13:27
schestowitzCan't rememberJun 22 13:27
schestowitzThey have some skeletal evidence, apparentlyJun 22 13:27
schestowitzFrom which they reconstructed modelsJun 22 13:27
_Hicham_where did they find that skeleton?Jun 22 13:27
schestowitzLet me find a good talk for youJun 22 13:27
_Hicham_near china?Jun 22 13:27
schestowitz5 hours long... watched it 2 weeks agoJun 22 13:27
schestowitzHere is part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHoxZF3ZgTo&feature=channelJun 22 13:28
_Hicham_we are all descendants of NoahJun 22 13:28
_Hicham_if u are a believerJun 22 13:28
schestowitzGlobal Climate Change Impacts in the United States < http://www.globalchange.gov/publications/reports/scientific-assessments/us-impacts >Jun 22 13:29
schestowitz_Hicham_: naaaJun 22 13:29
schestowitzAnd the Ark?Jun 22 13:29
_Hicham_yesJun 22 13:29
schestowitzNice fairy tale, but no thanksJun 22 13:29
_Hicham_we will prove that with timeJun 22 13:29
schestowitzDid Noah come to his momma from a stark?Jun 22 13:29
schestowitzIf not, why not?Jun 22 13:29
_Hicham_don't worryJun 22 13:29
schestowitzBecause nobody wrote about it?Jun 22 13:29
_Hicham_u r a follower of Richard Dawkins?Jun 22 13:30
schestowitzNot until recentlyJun 22 13:30
schestowitzHe's too strongJun 22 13:30
schestowitzPuts off those whom he tries to convinceJun 22 13:30
schestowitzArrogance.Jun 22 13:30
_Hicham_never appreciated what he said about evolutionJun 22 13:30
_Hicham_not Novell's EvolutionJun 22 13:30
schestowitzHehe.Jun 22 13:31
schestowitzDo we depend on Mono yet?Jun 22 13:31
schestowitzYes we areJun 22 13:31
schestowitzMonkey.Jun 22 13:31
_Hicham_hahaJun 22 13:31
_Hicham_there is no monkeyJun 22 13:31
_Hicham_and no evolutionJun 22 13:31
_Hicham_this theory is so funnyJun 22 13:31
_Hicham_it contradicts itselfJun 22 13:31
schestowitzGene research confirms itJun 22 13:31
_Hicham_funny theoriesJun 22 13:32
schestowitzMany years after the hypothesis was put in place and defended using practical examplesJun 22 13:32
schestowitzHave a look at the video I sent youJun 22 13:32
schestowitzNo pressure, it's interesting to get anothert POVJun 22 13:32
schestowitzWon't harm to study itJun 22 13:32
_Hicham_the practical examples are obviousJun 22 13:32
schestowitzIt does not contradict itselfJun 22 13:32
_Hicham_I am gonna see it and answer uJun 22 13:33
_Hicham_coz I ve seen some of his stuff beforeJun 22 13:33
_Hicham_on bbc horizonJun 22 13:33
schestowitzWhat is contradictory is that humans are too complex, so there needs to be someone to create them, who obvious needs a creator even FAR more complexJun 22 13:33
schestowitz*obviously needsJun 22 13:33
schestowitz_Hicham_: thanks!Jun 22 13:33
_Hicham_obviously needs?Jun 22 13:34
schestowitzit's not a religion debate, but things like anatomy, like how the eye works. Handy knowledge.Jun 22 13:34
schestowitz_Hicham_: I corrected a typoJun 22 13:34
schestowitz", who obviously needs a creator even FAR more complex""Jun 22 13:34
schestowitzThe Internet truly forced governments to open up: http://perspectives.opsi.gov.uk/2009/06/opsis-new-licensing-model-taking-the-licensing-of-government-content-to-the-next-level.htmlJun 22 13:35
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schestowitzThe Bush mail is still missingJun 22 13:35
schestowitzIt would be nice to have all that leaked to the Internet. SO much fan.Jun 22 13:36
schestowitzBut the Obama camp fears for the disclosure of Clinton E-mailsJun 22 13:36
schestowitzThey both (well, both camps) want to keep everything secret.Jun 22 13:36
schestowitzYou know why?Jun 22 13:36
schestowitzBecause there is nothing bad to see there, obviously :-)Jun 22 13:36
_Hicham_I like to talk to people about religionJun 22 13:37
schestowitz"Peru says it may revoke laws after Amazon clashes" http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSN1544620520090615Jun 22 13:37
_Hicham_and see how they see thingsJun 22 13:38
schestowitz_Hicham_: I find it interesting tooJun 22 13:38
schestowitzNot with confrontational types thoughJun 22 13:38
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukZ2JwOoKf8&feature=rec-HM-r2Jun 22 13:38
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eZn65G5Iu4&NR=1Jun 22 13:38
_Hicham_we should discuss with our mindsJun 22 13:39
_Hicham_not with typosJun 22 13:39
schestowitzI don't get itJun 22 13:40
schestowitzBlackwash < http://www.yrtk.org/2009/blackwash/ >Jun 22 13:40
schestowitzInternet has changed foreign policy for ever, says Gordon Brown < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/19/gordon-brown-internet-foreign-policy >Jun 22 13:40
schestowitzThey don't like alternative sourcesJun 22 13:40
schestowitzToo much going on outside their PR bubble :-) and across the borders, of which the Internet has noneJun 22 13:41
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schestowitzhttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ian_douglas/blog/2009/06/19/mps_expenses_the_unredacted_files Jun 22 13:42
_Hicham_wb Senor taconeJun 22 13:44
taconeheyJun 22 13:44
_Hicham_DJ schestowitz in the Mix!Jun 22 13:44
taconenobody likes my flames.Jun 22 13:44
_Hicham_schestowitz : do u like the Chameleon?Jun 22 13:45
schestowitztacone: what flames?Jun 22 13:45
taconethe Gimp-Jun 22 13:45
schestowitz_Hicham_: geckoJun 22 13:45
schestowitzGeeko the geckoJun 22 13:45
tacone"I personally feel that you wrote your post in an inflamatory and sensationalistic way, which is completely unnecessary."Jun 22 13:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] is Wikipedia embracing Ogg? or just <video>? http://ping.fm/LJpgqJun 22 13:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "The new secret MI5 "North" operations centre is located at Park 66, Pilsworth Road, Bury, Lancashire. " http://ping.fm/lp9ryJun 22 13:47
schestowitzFlickr's Mobile Site Gets Smarter: Shows Photos Taken Nearby < http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/flickrs_mobile_site_gets_smarter_nearby.php >Jun 22 13:48
_Hicham_schestowitz : how do u compare yast to mcc?Jun 22 13:48
schestowitztacone: maybe a Mono proponentJun 22 13:48
schestowitz_Hicham_: in MATLAB?Jun 22 13:49
taconena.Jun 22 13:49
_Hicham_schestowitz : did u work on OpenGL in MATLAB?Jun 22 13:50
schestowitzYesJun 22 13:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz ogg. we're absolutely harsh about unencumbered formats. we desperately await dirac being usable.Jun 22 13:52
schestowitz_Hicham_: check out http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/20/AR2009062000004.htmlJun 22 13:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ony Blair pushed Gordon Brown to hold Iraq war inquiry in private < http://ping.fm/wnKdI >Jun 22 13:57
schestowitzLet Iraq be the test of your openness, Mr Brown < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/21/iraq-war-inquiry-gordon-brown >Jun 22 13:58
schestowitztacone: Mono proponents have another barriersJun 22 14:02
schestowitz"prepare for the pro-Mono backlash ;)"Jun 22 14:02
schestowitzWhen you're near the flag in Tactico, that's when they start screaming.Jun 22 14:02
tacone?Jun 22 14:02
schestowitztacone: give me a few minutesJun 22 14:02
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schestowitztacone: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/22/mono-and-trust/Jun 22 14:36
taconelemme seeJun 22 14:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Article: Mono and (Anti)Trust < http://ping.fm/dFqzB >Jun 22 14:37
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taconewhat's the 'another barrier' ? the slated guy ?Jun 22 14:42
schestowitzYeah.Jun 22 14:43
schestowitz*/barriers/barrier/Jun 22 14:44
schestowitzPeople gets the Mono proponent stressedJun 22 14:44
schestowitzBecause they can't find anything from ECMAJun 22 14:44
schestowitzAnd Mono runs out of answers and out of sheepish supportersJun 22 14:44
schestowitzEngineers More Likely to Become Muslim Terrorists < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/06/engineers_more.html > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227127.200-can-university-subjects-reveal-terrorists-in-the-making.htmlJun 22 14:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora is ahead of the curve because it removes Mono from F12. People can still -- if they wish -- get it from repos.Jun 22 14:47
schestowitzFraud on eBay < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/06/fraud_on_ebay.html >Jun 22 14:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Injection Attack Compromises More Than 40,000 Websites < http://ping.fm/FWr7N > Watch out, friends.Jun 22 14:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun's CEO says Free software is blooming http://ping.fm/Wrv7C http://ping.fm/pfcMIJun 22 14:52
schestowitzCheck out the comments: Jun 22 14:57
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1356970/steve-jobs-liver-transplantJun 22 14:57
schestowitzNectar points can reach an overdraft, apparently. http://shareholdervalues.financialdirector.co.uk/2009/06/ive-finally-pai.html "Fortunately, the next time we went to Sainsbury's and presented a Nectar card, we weren't arrested for committing a heinous computer crime. Instead, our till receipt showed a balance of minus 5500 points. "Jun 22 14:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google to cut China porn results < http://ping.fm/BfHMX Censorship is censorship. http://ping.fm/iESIGJun 22 15:07
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schestowitzThis one's a shame. Palm Pre developers told to read a book < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/22/palm_pre_sdk/ >Jun 22 15:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Pirate party gains momentum: http://ping.fm/oFayGJun 22 15:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BoycottNovell might have to be renamed. http://ping.fm/1MbgS http://ping.fm/ByhXJJun 22 15:22
schestowitzNaggum, R.I.P. < http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/06/20/Erik-Naggum >Jun 22 15:27
schestowitz"Let me end with a question: When you’re gone, would you like to be remembered as smart and articulate, or as a famous flamer?"Jun 22 15:27
schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/microsoft-has-10-grand-for-you-if-youre-willing-to-use-internet-explorer "Until Microsoft corrects that mindset, and fosters the kind of free, open extensibility for its browser that Firefox has, it remains doomed to watch Internet Explorer continue to lose market share."Jun 22 15:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Things go wrong with the web memory: http://noepatents.eu.org, http://gauss.ffii.org, http://wiki.ael.be all gone.Jun 22 15:37
schestowitzPolice force Iran protest off streets < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/21/iran-protest-mousavi-khamenei >Jun 22 15:40
schestowitzDeclining tigers find a friend – at the World Bank < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/19/world-bank-tiger-reserves-initiative >Jun 22 15:40
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab : any backups to restore from?Jun 22 15:42
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schestowitzhi, Eruaran Jun 22 15:44
schestowitzPlease Report Bugs Upstream < Please Report Bugs Upstream >Jun 22 15:44
schestowitzhttp://californiaquantum.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/please-report-bugs-upstream/Jun 22 15:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice story of a complete migration to GNU/Linux: http://ping.fm/D3L1ZJun 22 15:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Extensive new reviews of the Linux-powered Pre: http://ping.fm/4AXRx http://ping.fm/v1SjAJun 22 15:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #mandriva 2010.0 Development now available for download http://ping.fm/8sUlDJun 22 15:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Gauss.ffii.org is down or dead. Trying to find published pending applications at the EPO.Jun 22 15:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does anyone use Amarok 2.0+? is it true that 1.4 may be better? http://ping.fm/MWIHjJun 22 15:57
schestowitzzoobab01: pingJun 22 15:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quick look at Mandriva 2010 Alpha http://ping.fm/ZnizoJun 22 16:02
schestowitz*LOL* http://bananasfk.wordpress.com/2007/03/15/ron-hovsepian-gets-fucked-again/Jun 22 16:06
schestowitzNovell's day as a large company may be numbered. SUSE is GPL, so it's safe. It's a sort of zero-sum game. Novell's loss is Debian/RHT's gainJun 22 16:07
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fewathey have contributed good stuff tooJun 22 16:09
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fewaschestowitz, i met with the amarok 2.x maintainerJun 22 16:11
fewa2.x was buggy, but 2.1 is suppose to be much betterJun 22 16:12
schestowitzyast?Jun 22 16:12
schestowitzI can't help thinking of CNRJun 22 16:12
fewawhats CNRJun 22 16:12
schestowitzAfter Linspire sold out to MS and went undeground nothing came out of CNRJun 22 16:12
schestowitzClick N RunJun 22 16:12
fewamehJun 22 16:12
fewakinda obviousJun 22 16:13
schestowitzhttp://www.cnr.com/Jun 22 16:13
fewakernel maintainers, apparmorJun 22 16:13
schestowitzhttp://www.linspire.com/Jun 22 16:13
schestowitzAll the pages are deadJun 22 16:13
schestowitzGone.Jun 22 16:13
schestowitzHistoryJun 22 16:13
schestowitzGood to have the Internet ArchiveJun 22 16:13
schestowitzI find it creepy when  where pages become ghostsJun 22 16:14
schestowitz"[zoobab] Things go wrong with the web memory: http://noepatents.eu.org, http://gauss.ffii.org, http://wiki.ael.be all gone."Jun 22 16:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz I used 2.0 but it crashed rather too much. I look forward to it being as capable as 1.4.Jun 22 16:17
fewa*metJun 22 16:18
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fewaone think i dont like about dynamic pages, they dont archiveJun 22 16:18
trmancosolang got into karmicJun 22 16:18
schestowitzGreat!Jun 22 16:18
schestowitzURL?Jun 22 16:19
taconestefanoforenza.com :)Jun 22 16:21
tacone:PJun 22 16:21
taconeit was uploaded days ago. perhaps now they confirmed the uploadJun 22 16:21
schestowitzNovell takes 'PR' to the Twitterland: http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=719Jun 22 16:21
taconeschestowitz: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/how-to-install-the-solang-on-the-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-35159Jun 22 16:21
schestowitzrepos or deafault?Jun 22 16:21
schestowitzOKJun 22 16:21
taconerepos obviouslyJun 22 16:22
schestowitzMehJun 22 16:22
taconeyou can't put a 0.1 as default.Jun 22 16:22
schestowitzI thought it was properly indludedJun 22 16:22
schestowitzI know.Jun 22 16:22
schestowitzI was surprisesJun 22 16:22
trmancohahahJun 22 16:22
schestowitz*EdJun 22 16:22
trmancoyou wishJun 22 16:22
schestowitzThere's not even a site for itJun 22 16:22
trmanco:-PJun 22 16:22
taconelet's see for karmic +1Jun 22 16:22
taconethe ui seems already better than fspotJun 22 16:22
taconemuch betterJun 22 16:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Does someone has a link to a webpage of the EPO displaying a pending patent application? http://bit.ly/AtofFJun 22 16:22
schestowitzBig tag: "2012 will be the year of Linux. Ubuntu Pink Pony will pwn Windows"Jun 22 16:22
taconeyep. i love big tags.Jun 22 16:23
EruaranI dunno about the year of Linux but we've had a sudden surge of people asking for Ubuntu installs on systems in the past few daysJun 22 16:25
EruaranAnd we oblige of courseJun 22 16:25
fewahttp://press.ffii.org/Press_releases/FFII_and_EPO_announce_%22Binaries-As-Prior-Art%22Jun 22 16:26
fewalolJun 22 16:26
schestowitzMicrosoft runs of fnndsJun 22 16:26
schestowitz[which which to choke Linux]Jun 22 16:26
schestowitzWhen it goes bellyup it'll be easierJun 22 16:26
schestowitz*with whichJun 22 16:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Opensuse pleading for help sounds a little petty. http://ping.fm/hH3rR http://ping.fm/fF84BJun 22 16:27
schestowitzre Mono, watch what opensuse people do: http://foodformonkeys.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-monodevelop-installer-for-windows.html http://www.sontek.net/post/Targeting-Mono-on-Visual-Studio-2010-for-C-and-ASPNET-Projects.aspxJun 22 16:28
EruaranUbuntu with all the goodies installed, change the theme to New Wave, add wallpaper from Interfacelift and voila, you have a customer gasping and this beautiful system (omg I called gnome beautiful... what is the world coming to ?)..Jun 22 16:29
EruaranSo long as they keep Miguel out of itJun 22 16:30
EruaranTie him up and put him in a FedEx box and send him to Redmond.Jun 22 16:30
schestowitzhttp://www.novell.com/communities/coolsolutionsJun 22 16:30
schestowitzMaybe they'll by NovellJun 22 16:31
schestowitzhttp://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/06/19/novell-hints-at-willingness-to-be-acquired-analyst-says/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/21/novell_denies_for_sale_research_note/ Jun 22 16:31
schestowitzMicrosoft has radical problems, so radical steps would not surprise meJun 22 16:31
fewawho will buy them?Jun 22 16:32
schestowitzDunnoJun 22 16:32
fewaIBM?Jun 22 16:32
schestowitzParts of themJun 22 16:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NYT wants money for refs in Wikipedia: http://is.gd/19kdC we should send *them* a massive bill. I wonder what Maurice Jarre thinks.Jun 22 16:32
schestowitzSUSE is what's importantJun 22 16:32
schestowitzThey could sell that to some company like Cisco, BUT.... many Novell products depend on SUSE now, so there are issuesJun 22 16:33
EruaranI note the "FAIL and you" pic next to the articleJun 22 16:33
Eruaran;)Jun 22 16:33
EruaranI can't believe you guysJun 22 16:34
EruaranWHO would buy Novell ?Jun 22 16:34
EruaranWhy... Sweaty would of courseJun 22 16:34
Eruaranmaybe though a proxyJun 22 16:35
taconewho ever may be interested to buy the mono department ?Jun 22 16:35
taconeit's a waste of money with no return.Jun 22 16:35
taconeand *possibly* encumbered by microsoftJun 22 16:35
EruaranSound like just the kind of aquisition SweatyB would be interested in ;)Jun 22 16:35
schestowitzSUSE blogs are filled with .NET junk and other dross... http://www.nermal.org/blog/vegetable-garden/Jun 22 16:36
taconeif someone buys the profitable parts (say suse, opendirectory thing etc) what is left ? Mono. who generate no cash.Jun 22 16:36
EruaranI bet Sweaty buys itJun 22 16:36
fewamono is designed to generate microsft cashJun 22 16:36
EruaranEither bald faced with M$ or through another proxyJun 22 16:37
fewayeahJun 22 16:37
EruaranAnd they'll waffle on about "synergy"Jun 22 16:37
fewaM$ is wise that its image and trust is lowJun 22 16:37
fewathats why they used novellJun 22 16:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard : NYT wants money for refs in Wikipedia: http://is.gd/19kdC we should send *them* a massive billJun 22 16:37
fewaschestowitz, but the article didnt say thatJun 22 16:38
fewaits only whined about reuse of their contentJun 22 16:38
schestowitzThis is something worth writing about: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/21/novell_denies_for_sale_research_note/ Jun 22 16:38
schestowitzDJ Novell Remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ1X8cPetss Jun 22 16:38
schestowitz[new]Jun 22 16:38
fewawell i guess "Wikipedia articles are another way that the work of news publications is quickly condensed and reused without compensation."Jun 22 16:39
schestowitzfewa: yeah, I figured after I had read itJun 22 16:39
schestowitzSome sites forbid linking to themselvesJun 22 16:39
schestowitzFunnyJun 22 16:39
schestowitznot police-able eitherJun 22 16:39
fewai want to make a FF plugin that fakes google referrersJun 22 16:39
schestowitzI love the RELICSJun 22 16:39
fewaim just to lazyJun 22 16:39
schestowitzThey are fun to watchJun 22 16:40
schestowitzLike MurdochJun 22 16:40
fewabuying myspaceJun 22 16:40
schestowitz"I have a an idea... we'll... err... start charging"Jun 22 16:40
fewatrying to be hipJun 22 16:40
schestowitzmyspace is going kaputJun 22 16:40
schestowitzPeople move on to better 'spaces'Jun 22 16:40
EruaranFF is low memory schweet ehJun 22 16:40
fewamurdochs strategy worked well in 80sJun 22 16:40
fewaand now FauxJun 22 16:40
schestowitzFaustian NewsJun 22 16:41
nicktasticEruaran: ShockingJun 22 16:41
EruaranA few things Murdoch has worked well in the 80'sJun 22 16:41
schestowitzHey, nicktastic Jun 22 16:41
nicktasticyoJun 22 16:41
EruaranLike... his legsJun 22 16:41
schestowitzWell, he doesn't know he's doing a disservice to AmericansJun 22 16:42
schestowitzHe does well for his fellow elitistsJun 22 16:42
EruaranI don't understand these old guysJun 22 16:42
fewathe myspace people took a butload of money and continued doing the same jobJun 22 16:43
EruaranBuilding their empires... but they're old... its not like they'll be here that much longer... they cant take it with themJun 22 16:43
schestowitzThey'll change lawsJun 22 16:43
schestowitzsame old storyJun 22 16:43
schestowitzDinosaurs fighting for survivalJun 22 16:43
schestowitzLike MS trying to pass sw patents to ban FOSS around the worldJun 22 16:43
schestowitzThere should be more public outcryJun 22 16:44
schestowitzBut all the people are zombies behind some PS2 or 2 jobsJun 22 16:44
schestowitzThey wrongly believe their rights (which erode very quickly these days) came  or appeared to be taken for granted. They came from popular struggles, which makes fail or refuse or neglect to wage nowJun 22 16:45
schestowitz.Maybe when cubicle slavery become standard, then there will be a new 'Rosa parks 2.0" who 'dares' to step outside her/his cubicle ;-)Jun 22 16:46
Eruaransome people are just foolsJun 22 16:47
Eruaranthis woman and her mother at work todayJun 22 16:47
EruaransheeshJun 22 16:47
Eruaranboth stuck up bitchesJun 22 16:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] BTW, the NYT has a comments page for the article: http://is.gd/19kLI don't just retweet, commentJun 22 16:47
Eruaranthey wanted Windows 7Jun 22 16:47
fewa:P schestowitzJun 22 16:47
schestowitzPeople think o slavery as black people with chains by the railroadJun 22 16:48
EruaranThe kind of people who ask for a wireless keyboard... in beigeJun 22 16:49
schestowitzBut in many ways, imprisonment can come from 3-strike, DRM, low wages, globalisation, and other mansJun 22 16:49
schestowitz*meansJun 22 16:49
EruaranindeedJun 22 16:49
schestowitzVista 7 sucksJun 22 16:49
schestowitzShow them Vista 1Jun 22 16:49
schestowitzThere is bribed-for coverage of products that don't existJun 22 16:50
EruaranI'm not showing them anythingJun 22 16:50
EruaranI doubt I'll see them againJun 22 16:50
Eruaranthey were time wastersJun 22 16:50
schestowitz"Vista 7 will kill Linux"Jun 22 16:50
schestowitz"Vista 7 will be the most secure ever"Jun 22 16:50
schestowitz"Vista 7 will revive MS"Jun 22 16:50
Eruarano_0Jun 22 16:50
*Eruaran gigglesJun 22 16:50
schestowitz"Vista 7 will do [put your wishes here]"Jun 22 16:51
schestowitzMcirosoft will tell you when Vista 7 actually existsJun 22 16:51
schestowitzIt's like ObamaJun 22 16:51
schestowitzHopeJun 22 16:51
schestowitzBlank pageJun 22 16:51
schestowitzGo to obama.comJun 22 16:51
EruaranVista 7 will teleport you to a planet of amazon womenJun 22 16:51
schestowitzPut what you want in the boxJun 22 16:51
schestowitzObama is YOUR guyJun 22 16:51
schestowitzAnd he'll take orders from you when you elect himJun 22 16:51
schestowitzvapouresidentJun 22 16:51
schestowitzNow that he puts MAFIAA in chanrge people are like "But... but.. you PROMISED... Wah!!"Jun 22 16:52
schestowitzIt was the same with vistaJun 22 16:52
schestowitzSame slogans and coverageJun 22 16:52
Eruaranamazon women ?Jun 22 16:52
Eruaran;)Jun 22 16:52
schestowitztopless?Jun 22 16:53
Eruaranof courseJun 22 16:53
schestowitzVista 7 NSFWJun 22 16:53
schestowitzIt ain'tJun 22 16:53
schestowitzCan't do any workJun 22 16:53
schestowitzCrashes, viruses, critical updates toss you into reboot abyssJun 22 16:53
EruaranThey should have spruced up XP and called it XPSEJun 22 16:53
schestowitzWhat would that make Vista?Jun 22 16:54
schestowitzA prototype?Jun 22 16:54
MinceRMESE :>Jun 22 16:54
EruaranheheheheheehJun 22 16:54
EruaranhahahaJun 22 16:54
MinceR(and in hungarian that means "tale")Jun 22 16:54
schestowitzWindows XP Prototype EditionJun 22 16:54
trmancoohJun 22 16:55
trmancosolang is from fedoraJun 22 16:55
schestowitz"WOAH!! Dude, you bought a laptop with proptotype edition on it? What are you, a MORON?"Jun 22 16:55
trmancoI seeJun 22 16:55
schestowitzIt's for hobbyistsJun 22 16:55
MinceRWindows XP Don't Worry, We're Going To Die Soon EditionJun 22 16:55
MinceRwell, it's a prototype anywayJun 22 16:55
Eruaranmaybe I should start installing that splas on customers computersJun 22 16:55
Eruaranwho buy XPJun 22 16:55
MinceRtesting is something that happens to other people.Jun 22 16:55
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schestowitzgoodmorning: Jun 22 16:56
Eruaranyou know the "XP Last Edition" splash ?Jun 22 16:56
MinceRhaven't seen itJun 22 16:56
goodmorningit's me, wallclimberJun 22 16:56
MinceRhayJun 22 16:56
schestowitzhey.Jun 22 16:56
MinceRor rather,Jun 22 16:56
EruaranMinceR: it has a hangmans noose on it instead of a windows logoJun 22 16:56
MinceRwall climber, goodmorning!Jun 22 16:56
goodmorningi was reading about the gates family and monsantoJun 22 16:56
MinceRi mean good morning, wallclimber!Jun 22 16:56
MinceR;)Jun 22 16:56
goodmorningwhat a story!Jun 22 16:56
schestowitzFortune?Jun 22 16:56
goodmorningit reminds me of the LA Times piece a year or so agoJun 22 16:57
schestowitzOhJun 22 16:57
MinceREruaran: do you have a link?Jun 22 16:57
schestowitzOpopsJun 22 16:57
EruaranMinceR: I'll find oneJun 22 16:57
schestowitzhttp://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfmJun 22 16:57
goodmorninghi MinceR!Jun 22 16:57
schestowitzgoodmorning: biz groupies adisguised as charity , eh?Jun 22 16:58
schestowitzBut the press won't cover itJun 22 16:58
schestowitzWithdrawal of fund and fear of public consensusJun 22 16:58
schestowitzIt's like saying something bad about the popeJun 22 16:58
goodmorningdo you remember the LA Times article?Jun 22 16:58
goodmorningif not, i'll get it for youJun 22 16:58
schestowitzYou'd alienate yourself because readers have preconceptionsJun 22 16:58
schestowitzgoodmorning: Clouds?Jun 22 16:58
schestowitzDark Clouds?Jun 22 16:59
goodmorningyes that's the oneJun 22 16:59
schestowitzI have the videos from Democracy Now (amy Goodman)Jun 22 16:59
schestowitzHold onJun 22 16:59
schestowitzThey smeared the writersJun 22 16:59
schestowitzWell, obviouslyJun 22 16:59
schestowitzgoodmorning: watch these videos: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/02/the-money-question-influence/Jun 22 16:59
schestowitzit's a two-part programmeJun 22 16:59
goodmorningthey smeared the LA Times writers? how did you find that out?Jun 22 17:00
goodmorningwatching them now...Jun 22 17:00
schestowitzCommenters and stuffJun 22 17:01
schestowitzThe usual stuffJun 22 17:01
schestowitz"They are just jealous.."Jun 22 17:01
schestowitzYou know the gigJun 22 17:02
tessierschestowitz: Looks like the DoS situation resolved itself?Jun 22 17:02
schestowitzTeresa.. err.. I mean Bill... can't do nothing wrongJun 22 17:02
schestowitztessier: yes, I noticedJun 22 17:02
schestowitzIt lasted half an hourJun 22 17:02
MinceRlolJun 22 17:02
tessierI got a page that there was a problem around 1:30am my time but a few minutes later I got another one saying it was ok again.Jun 22 17:02
tessierBut I was asleep so I didn't see it until this morning. I need to tweak nagios to page sooner and more frequently.Jun 22 17:03
schestowitzgoodmorning's exposure of those MS memos must have gotten something angry, so off they went with DDOS ;-)Jun 22 17:03
Eruaranmeh I cant find itJun 22 17:03
schestowitzI didn't know nagios did thatJun 22 17:03
fewaschestowitz, yeah the DN coverage was goodJun 22 17:04
schestowitzDN?Jun 22 17:04
fewademocracy NowJun 22 17:04
schestowitzOh yeah.Jun 22 17:04
schestowitzThey have good guestsJun 22 17:04
fewai watch on miroJun 22 17:04
schestowitzrm -rf /home/fox/Jun 22 17:05
schestowitzmv /tmp/DM/ /home/fox/Jun 22 17:05
fewaPOWJun 22 17:05
schestowitz*DNJun 22 17:05
goodmorningstill listening to those videos.  Good stuff.Jun 22 17:08
goodmorningbtw, what did you think of the slashdot post about the Indian CEO declaring Americans as unemployable?Jun 22 17:10
goodmorningIndian CEO Says Most US Tech Grads "Unemployable"Jun 22 17:10
goodmorninglol...you probably agree with him...Jun 22 17:11
goodmorningj/kJun 22 17:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The NYT stance is indicative of the insanity of the press industry: http://bit.ly/1axd3S they tried billing Wikipedia too!Jun 22 17:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Linux Suffering From Mono? < http://ping.fm/3hFIk >Jun 22 17:12
fewaOK, now its absurdityJun 22 17:13
fewaold people that dont understand that it is the newspaper that is distrobuting their own contentJun 22 17:13
fewaand that they do not have to honor linksJun 22 17:13
schestowitzgoodmorning: I'm  not sureJun 22 17:13
schestowitzFor someone from India to pay US-rate wages makes little senseJun 22 17:14
schestowitzSo Indian s/w firms won't employ in 'expensive' countriesJun 22 17:14
schestowitzOnly vice versaJun 22 17:14
schestowitzMS luuurves offshoringJun 22 17:14
schestowitzBallmer says US jobs are "expensive"Jun 22 17:14
schestowitzyes,  "expensive"Jun 22 17:14
schestowitzGet it?Jun 22 17:14
fewaMS loves it cause their foreign workers are instand proponents and shillsJun 22 17:14
schestowitzJob=expensiveJun 22 17:14
fewathey dont care about the qualityJun 22 17:15
schestowitzfewa: they already get traffic from the linkJun 22 17:15
schestowitzI say: pull a GoogleJun 22 17:15
fewahttp://openworld2010.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/veteran-developer-ditches-microsoft-for-open-source/Jun 22 17:15
schestowitzLike they did on some Belgian paperJun 22 17:15
fewahttp://web.archive.org/web/20070911055336/http://www.afreshcup.com/2006/12/9/what-s-going-on-hereJun 22 17:15
schestowitzJust remove all the links to NYTJun 22 17:15
fewaformer  Microsoft developerJun 22 17:15
schestowitzfrom WikipediaJun 22 17:15
schestowitzSee how NYT likes itJun 22 17:15
fewaHe refused to "contribut[e] to the eventual death of programming."[7] He states: "Microsoft itself represents a grave threat to the future of software development through its increasing inclination to stifle competition through legal shenanigans."Jun 22 17:15
fewaalso talked about how Office 2007 code was sub-parJun 22 17:16
fewaschestowitz, links are free speech however, any other interpretation is absurdJun 22 17:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ES: Cenatic wants open source study to increase uptake http://ping.fm/W0ZiIJun 22 17:17
schestowitzfewa: it's fair use robbed to the extremeJun 22 17:19
fewahttp://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/06/comcast-to-provide-wholesale-ipv6-service.ars but comcast has been giving IPv6 to users for years on its set-top boxesJun 22 17:19
schestowitzI think AP even opposed to linking at onestageJun 22 17:19
schestowitzI can't recall for sureJun 22 17:19
schestowitzBusinessWeek asked people not to link to it !Jun 22 17:19
fewayet they justify not offering it to customers when it is already deployedJun 22 17:19
schestowitzComcast is corruptJun 22 17:19
schestowitzI saw that newsJun 22 17:20
fewathey have has IPv6 deployed for yearsJun 22 17:20
schestowitzBut it's hardly worth crowing aboutJun 22 17:20
fewaever DVR has a IPv6 addressJun 22 17:20
goodmorningsome people think the reason MS likes importing Indian workers is  because they are moreJun 22 17:20
schestowitzHehJun 22 17:20
goodmorningcompliant and follow orders betterJun 22 17:20
schestowitzOr work longer hoursJun 22 17:20
schestowitzit's like caterpillarJun 22 17:20
fewagoodmorning, exactly, each indian worker not only does not think for themselves but they are advertisements for M$ in the new worldJun 22 17:20
goodmorningcan't have a bunch of creative thinkers at MicrosoftJun 22 17:21
fewawhich has the most people so therefore the biggest network effects, the biggest brain power, and biggest future innovationJun 22 17:21
trmancotacone, are you a packager?Jun 22 17:21
taconenopeJun 22 17:22
taconei did some practice some time ago.Jun 22 17:22
fewaAFAIKJun 22 17:22
trmancowhere?Jun 22 17:22
tacone?Jun 22 17:22
schestowitzfewa: thanks for these links. I'll use em laterJun 22 17:22
taconein vietnam, of course.Jun 22 17:23
schestowitztacone is a punditJun 22 17:23
schestowitzslash hackerJun 22 17:23
fewaschestowitz, they are quite old, take that in mindJun 22 17:23
schestowitzI knowJun 22 17:23
schestowitzNew to me thoughJun 22 17:23
trmancotacone, I mean, did you contact somebody are you you guided?Jun 22 17:23
schestowitzNo comments there, so probably slipped beyond the FLOSSEer' radarJun 22 17:23
fewathey are on wikipedia, and the trolls didnt touch themJun 22 17:23
trmancowere*Jun 22 17:23
schestowitz*FLOSSers'Jun 22 17:24
taconei did something on my self then i got a tutorJun 22 17:24
taconewhen i got the tutor (some month after) i stopped my practice.Jun 22 17:24
goodmorningwell, time for this ol' lady to get to work, it's Monday and the phones are ringingJun 22 17:24
goodmorningbye for nowJun 22 17:25
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trmancookJun 22 17:26
schestowitzMinceR: it's allllllllllllive.. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/06/22/steve-jobs-receives-liver-transplantJun 22 17:29
MinceR:(Jun 22 17:30
MinceRDRM is still on life supportJun 22 17:30
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taconesure it isJun 22 17:32
MinceR(and the idea of "computing" for idiots)Jun 22 17:32
taconethe day he dies all the macs will shutdown.Jun 22 17:32
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MinceRwell, not immediatelyJun 22 17:33
MinceRbut crApple will fail quicklyJun 22 17:33
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schestowitzSecond mouse button?Jun 22 17:33
schestowitzThe surgeons can't do with one triggerJun 22 17:33
schestowitzAs in device/peripheral with one trigger sensorJun 22 17:33
taconei'm waiting for the mighty keyboard. just one key.Jun 22 17:34
schestowitzWait..Jun 22 17:34
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schestowitzDid you see the Onion?Jun 22 17:34
MinceRlolJun 22 17:34
schestowitzWith that Apple device with just a scroller?Jun 22 17:34
MinceRi've seen that onion videoJun 22 17:34
schestowitzCan we find it?Jun 22 17:34
schestowitzit's QUALITYJun 22 17:34
MinceRi think they'd love the mighty keyboardJun 22 17:34
MinceRit would be like the new touchpadJun 22 17:34
schestowitzOr iwiiJun 22 17:35
schestowitzwith just one motionJun 22 17:35
MinceRone big board, with a keyboard layout painted on it and it would detect touch location and the whole thing would depress as oneJun 22 17:35
schestowitzSqueeze your bum to move the cursorJun 22 17:35
schestowitzSimple to useJun 22 17:35
schestowitzMay take a while thoughJun 22 17:35
schestowitzLike inputting data with a strawJun 22 17:35
MinceRlolJun 22 17:35
schestowitzIs this one new? http://karoshi.linuxgfx.co.uk/Jun 22 17:37
nicktasticlolJun 22 17:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ultimate Edition 2.2 is out http://ping.fm/YIEMjJun 22 17:37
schestowitz"Continue using your current computers! Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Vista client compatibility."Jun 22 17:37
schestowitzTiny Core 2.1-rc @ http://distrowatch.com/tinycoreJun 22 17:38
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fewaschestowitz, karoshi looks coolJun 22 17:43
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schestowitzASCAP Now Claiming That Your Mobile Phone Ringing Is A Public Performance < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090620/1836345299.shtml >Jun 22 17:45
schestowitzHa!!!!Jun 22 17:45
schestowitzNot so long ago playing music to your horses was ingringingJun 22 17:45
ThistleWebhorses are well paid and can afford to buy their own musicJun 22 17:46
schestowitzHow long before bacteria listening to tunes needs a better licence?Jun 22 17:46
schestowitzThistleWeb: exactly. That's what i said. [not]Jun 22 17:46
ThistleWebthe more the entertainment lobby try this shit, the more ridiculous and desperate for cash they lookJun 22 17:46
ThistleWebit undermines their causeJun 22 17:46
schestowitzIt alienatesJun 22 17:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Moby Says 'Disband The RIAA' For Winning $1.92 Million From Jammie Thomas http://ping.fm/Q8nqE MMoby knows how to make fansJun 22 17:47
schestowitzThe artists want nuthin' to do with them after a while, as in "these people don't represent me, they attack my fans"Jun 22 17:47
ThistleWebmaybe they should be told "ok, you can claim all these licenece fees, but the products are free to anyone who wants them, you can get your revinue by taking your customers to court"Jun 22 17:48
ThistleWebeither or, not bothJun 22 17:48
fewathere is this far-fetched idea that industry groups represent their industriesJun 22 17:50
fewabut really they only represent the entrenched members of that groupJun 22 17:50
schestowitzIt it IS the industryJun 22 17:50
fewaalways wanting to increase barriers of entryJun 22 17:50
schestowitzThe artists are just "pawns int the struggle," as MS calls third party devsJun 22 17:51
schestowitzMAFIAA can swap artists easilyJun 22 17:51
fewaexactlyJun 22 17:51
schestowitzBuilding up brand/image is the costly partJun 22 17:51
fewacopyright is for distrobutersJun 22 17:51
schestowitzThey walk into modeling agency to find some chap/gal who can singJun 22 17:51
schestowitzThey do the rest, including deliv ering the musicJun 22 17:51
fewanot artistsJun 22 17:51
schestowitzLyrics can be a fill ___ blank exerciseJun 22 17:51
fewathe internet was the best thing for artistsJun 22 17:52
schestowitzWell, dependsJun 22 17:52
schestowitzIt's lGaussianJun 22 17:52
schestowitzYou change the varianceJun 22 17:52
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schestowitzMore artists, lower magnitude, better distributionJun 22 17:52
fewafinially the breatdown of broadcast-centered distrobutionJun 22 17:53
fewaand cultureJun 22 17:53
fewaas lessig calls it, Read-only culureJun 22 17:53
fewa*cultureJun 22 17:53
schestowitzThe trolls strike BN today, gaming all the ratings systematicallyJun 22 17:54
schestowitzI'm not sure the RO concept originates in LessigJun 22 17:54
schestowitzBut he calls it thatJun 22 17:55
schestowitzPeer/commons vs conglomeratesJun 22 17:55
fewathose infernal machinesJun 22 17:55
fewainfernal talking machinesJun 22 17:55
schestowitzAP chases down kids for using Obama photosJun 22 17:55
schestowitzIt's a sign of the photo empires dyingJun 22 17:56
schestowitzExtensive catalogues are now freeJun 22 17:56
fewalibertyJun 22 17:56
schestowitzRoyalty-wiseJun 22 17:56
schestowitzSoftware will be too, esp. OSJun 22 17:56
schestowitzThus attacks like VFATJun 22 17:56
fewaGoogle included copyright notices on pictures 150 yr old from LIFEJun 22 17:56
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/7761b99968d238ebJun 22 17:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Got confirmation that EPO publishes pending patent applications, not like in the US.Jun 22 17:57
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/21/berlusconi-italy-barbara-montereale "She is 23, beautiful and ambitious. And if her story turns out to be true, Barbara Montereale may yet prove to be the young starlet who brings about the downfall of the Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi."Jun 22 17:59
schestowitzRevealed: catalogue of atomic leaks http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/21/nuclear-power-stations-inspector-watchdogJun 22 18:00
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schestowitz"Staff at Goldman Sachs staff can look forward to the biggest bonus payouts in the firm's 140-year history after a spectacular first half of the year, sparking concern that the big investment banks which survived the credit crunch will derail financial regulation reforms."Jun 22 18:01
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/21/goldman-sachs-bonus-payments These are the ones pumping MSFTJun 22 18:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some bright predictions for Linux on TVs: http://ping.fm/pxkJgJun 22 18:12
_Hicham_Hi All!Jun 22 18:12
_Hicham_schestowitz Inc. just bought SUSE today from NovellJun 22 18:13
nicktasticwhatJun 22 18:13
schestowitzFacebook tackles potent click fraud scam < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/22/facebook_click_fraud/ >Jun 22 18:14
_Hicham_the plans of this company, according to Mr schestowitz, are to wipe Mono from existenceJun 22 18:14
schestowitzWhat will Microsoft developers use on Linux then?Jun 22 18:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SSN Required To Buy Palm Pre < http://ping.fm/QIuCf > Phones are still becoming GPS-like tracking devicesJun 22 18:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Passenger says TSA agents harassed him http://ping.fm/FkdQqJun 22 18:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The copyright cartel has officially lost its mind. http://ping.fm/2ZGoCJun 22 18:17
schestowitz"FCC to Examine Mobile Phone Exclusives [.. . Exclusive deals that lock cool handsets to a single carrier will soon get scrutiny from federal regulators, the acting head of the FCC announced Thursday." http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/06/fcc-to-examine-mobile-phone-exclusives/Jun 22 18:18
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Check out he comments on Moby's shot at the copyright cartel: http://ping.fm/p16iNJun 22 18:22
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/22/zune-and-xbox-downtime/#comments "or.comcast.net" astroturf.Jun 22 18:27
schestowitzMany AstroTurfers come from ComcastJun 22 18:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Example of MAFIAA's propaganda (fake numbers): "It reports that piracy causes $12.5 billion in losses each year." http://ping.fm/PQ347Jun 22 18:27
schestowitzYeah... they seem to come based on words and then defend the productsJun 22 18:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "SourceForge Web site has more than 30 million unique visitors per month" http://ping.fm/gTjdMJun 22 18:32
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schestowitztacone: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/21/berlusconi-italy-barbara-monterealeJun 22 18:39
taconeguys berlusconi needs helpJun 22 18:40
taconeanyone willing to adopt a little hot "velina" girl, please send me the address.Jun 22 18:41
taconei'll can ship some with UPSJun 22 18:41
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schestowitz_Hicham_ wants oneJun 22 18:47
tessiertacone: What is a "velina" girl?Jun 22 18:47
schestowitzAs long as it doesn't come with WindowsJun 22 18:47
taconeschestowitz: lolJun 22 18:47
schestowitztacone: is is like trophy wife?Jun 22 18:47
tacone"velina" is a common name for girls in tv showsJun 22 18:47
taconethe ones who help the showman (take things around, dance etc)Jun 22 18:48
schestowitzI see...Jun 22 18:48
schestowitzThe Kelly Bundy type.Jun 22 18:48
taconeso many people wonder what a girl has to do to get in tv.Jun 22 18:49
taconenow they know.Jun 22 18:49
schestowitzWe are looking for tutorial-style articles! < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/we_are_looking_tutorial_style_articles > With payment :-pJun 22 18:49
taconethose 3 girls are not from tv, but the stereotype pushed many to call them velina as well.Jun 22 18:49
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schestowitzAlways the same girlsJun 22 18:51
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nicktasticlol Kelly BundyJun 22 18:51
schestowitzLike in the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7c20y5IL4QJun 22 18:51
schestowitz"it's stil the same ho"Jun 22 18:51
schestowitzhttp://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2009/05/patentlitigation-weekly-the-photosharing-files.html Patents on "organizing and sharing images online"? Surely these are "business methods". I hope the Supreme Court (In Re Bilski) can bring some sanity to this ridiculous software patent mess the lawyers have gotten us into.Jun 22 18:54
schestowitzThe elusive, royalty-free patent licence for Mono[->] < http://slashdot.org/submission/1010251/The-elusive-royalty-free-patent-licence-for-Mono >Jun 22 19:02
schestowitzWe actually tried about a year ago and MS repliedJun 22 19:02
schestowitzShane got no reply, Sam didn't get one eitherJun 22 19:03
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Omar87Hi there!Jun 22 19:05
schestowitzwelcome back, Omar87 Jun 22 19:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Has started reading The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown.Jun 22 19:07
_Goblinlol...Just watching BrandonLeeBlanc challenge an MS faithful over a shared Zune account.  Microsoft must be really desperate..Jun 22 19:08
Omar87schestowitz: ThanksJun 22 19:08
schestowitz_Goblin:  they areJun 22 19:08
schestowitzCheck out the comment in BN from Comcast... smells like MS PRJun 22 19:09
_GoblinMaybe the Gates foundation can help?Jun 22 19:09
schestowitzZune post... [referring to Zune[sic], which is equally DOA]Jun 22 19:09
schestowitzAzuneJun 22 19:09
_GoblinWhats a Zune? ;)Jun 22 19:09
schestowitzGates Foundation is too busy with world dominationJun 22 19:09
schestowitzPromoting US patentsJun 22 19:09
schestowitzForcing kids in African to pay for phrama patents that Gates invests in... just so that they can stay aliveJun 22 19:10
_GoblinMaybe Comic Relief can help Microsoft.  In the case of Ballmer, "comic" is the operative word.Jun 22 19:10
schestowitzPurrrr evil.Jun 22 19:10
schestowitz_Goblin: Azune cloudJun 22 19:10
schestowitzGoogle Engine 'rival'Jun 22 19:10
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fewa"rival"Jun 22 19:16
schestowitzAzune cloud works 364 days a yearJun 22 19:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Anyone seen the documents from the Comes V #Microsoft case? Any Microsoft faithful want to comment? LOL. #Windows #vista #windows 7Jun 22 19:17
schestowitzI rests on the 365th dayJun 22 19:17
schestowitz* /i/it/Jun 22 19:18
schestowitzSo far as it says ont he tinJun 22 19:18
schestowitzAzune down for 22 hours around March and Zune down on Dec. 30thJun 22 19:18
taconehttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-22-006-39-OP-SW-LLJun 22 19:19
taconehttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Is-Linux-Suffering-From-Mono-67387.html?wlc=1245673560&wlc=1245695798Jun 22 19:20
fewahttp://www.cssquirrel.com/comic/?comic=23Jun 22 19:21
taconelol ! the end of article is hilariousJun 22 19:22
tacone"Yes, I'm advocating civil disobedience. Just as the European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party encouraged civil disobedience, and then made that issue the forefront of their campaign efforts, so should Mono users."Jun 22 19:22
taconeAccordingly, "I strongly encourage every distro to adopt and make use of Mono," Dean saidJun 22 19:22
tacone"I also encourage every distro to stand strong in this decision, to contest the potential day where Microsoft sues and STILL include Mono, even if some court says, 'You may not do this'Jun 22 19:22
taconebloody crazyJun 22 19:23
fewatacone, where has PP  advocated civil disobedience?Jun 22 19:23
schestowitzLawyers' annual orgy: http://www.management-forum.co.uk/ip/eventid/1121Jun 22 19:23
taconethe link aboveJun 22 19:24
schestowitzI like the jokeJun 22 19:26
MinceRwell, that's an approach too, but it's riskierJun 22 19:26
schestowitzfewa: never seen such a claimJun 22 19:26
schestowitzit's no useJun 22 19:26
schestowitzMS wants to suppress business adoptionJun 22 19:26
MinceRand i'm not convinced that mono is so great it would be worth the trouble.Jun 22 19:26
schestowitzThey use financial sactionsJun 22 19:26
schestowitzStrangulations if you likeJun 22 19:27
fewathere is a 3rd party claim that they are claiming soJun 22 19:27
schestowitzThey are less able to police what you run at homeJun 22 19:27
fewai think it is a misstatementJun 22 19:27
schestowitzBut we need IBM and RHT to maintain LinuxJun 22 19:27
fewafrom http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Is-Linux-Suffering-From-Mono-67387.html?wlc=1245673560&wlc=1245695798Jun 22 19:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] HTML5 cartoon: http://ping.fm/DUkAcJun 22 19:27
schestowitztacone: either way, good to see the Mono debate in the headlineJun 22 19:27
schestowitz1.5 months ago people hardly knew about itJun 22 19:28
schestowitzThe can of worms was opened when many people blogged about it Jun 22 19:28
schestowitzThen Jomo Shields wrote about itJun 22 19:28
schestowitzAnother IPOrgy: http://www.cipforum.org/Jun 22 19:32
schestowitz‘Let your customers infringe trolls’ patents’ http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22836Jun 22 19:32
schestowitzSome people always blame mono < https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/+bug/383182 >Jun 22 19:36
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tacone- some lawyers opinions about patents LOL !Jun 22 19:40
schestowitzThey don't even know innovationJun 22 19:45
schestowitzTo them, it's just 'something' (content) to make money fromJun 22 19:45
schestowitzMore patents, MORE INNOVATION, bring the oysters over...Jun 22 19:45
schestowitzugh... http://maketecheasier.com/transform-kubuntu-jaunty-to-windows-7-in-3-simple-steps/2009/06/19Jun 22 19:47
trmancoit's hugeJun 22 19:50
trmancoI'll brbJun 22 19:50
schestowitzWhat's huge?Jun 22 19:51
schestowitzNovell's debt?Jun 22 19:51
schestowitzhttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/hands-off-the-gimp/ "/me shakes head. I do not understand what is going on in Ubuntu-land these days. As an aside, I never realized that Rick Spencer, Canonical’s Engineering Manager, Desktop, spent almost 10 years at MIcrosoft."Jun 22 19:55
MinceRoh, the baseless gui whine againJun 22 19:57
MinceRhe should go and use photoshop then.Jun 22 19:57
MinceRthey've already changed the gui around to please idiots who can't bear the thought of an app opening more than one window. what else do they want?Jun 22 19:58
schestowitzSharing it can be stealing technlcally, maybe counterfeiting.Jun 22 19:59
schestowitzMinceR: yeah.Jun 22 20:00
taconesharing is caring.Jun 22 20:01
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trmancoschestowitz, the logJun 22 20:06
schestowitzBertrand Russell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OziPcicgmbw&feature=relatedJun 22 20:15
schestowitzLost his parents at 3Jun 22 20:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @waldyrious @linkibol: Sad but true: evolution of online #journalism http://imgur.com/gQouk.jpgJun 22 20:17
schestowitz"@slackusr : it's actually hard to lose money too because it's only symbolic of real assets like gold or silver."Jun 22 20:20
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MinceRhuh?Jun 22 20:21
schestowitzNeeds contextJun 22 20:21
schestowitzIt was about MAFIAA "losing money"Jun 22 20:22
schestowitzOn sales they would never have made in the first placeJun 22 20:22
twitterthat's the usual line.  When you don't give them enough money, you are "stealing" from them.Jun 22 20:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @waldyrious @linkibol: Sad but true: evolution of online #journalism http://ping.fm/0OOclJun 22 20:22
MinceRoh.Jun 22 20:23
schestowitzChannel ambition is not a conspiracy http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4387Jun 22 20:24
twitterhmph.  the kinds of blogs and online journals I look at don't have advert problems.Jun 22 20:24
schestowitztwitter: tell this to those who feel a stadiumJun 22 20:25
schestowitzEarning less does not imply stealingJun 22 20:25
schestowitzThe newspapers are dyingJun 22 20:25
schestowitzNOT because people are stealing from themJun 22 20:25
schestowitzJust because distribution paradigms evolveJun 22 20:25
twitternewspapers are dying because they suck.Jun 22 20:25
twitterothers do a better job of getting the news out.Jun 22 20:25
schestowitzPapers means "we deliver to you daily /physical/ medium"Jun 22 20:26
twitterbroadcast and centralized publishing never delivered, it's time for them to go.Jun 22 20:26
twitterin fact, broadcast and centralized media did a lot more harm than good.Jun 22 20:27
schestowitzHonesty and openness 'will keep Firefox popular' < http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/honesty-and-openness-will-keep-firefox-popular--609955 > -<- trmanco might like itJun 22 20:27
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schestowitztwitter: because of those who controlled themJun 22 20:27
schestowitzCentralisation is not inherently badJun 22 20:27
schestowitzBut it's corruptible, empiricallyJun 22 20:27
schestowitzYou can't bribe 1 million bloggersJun 22 20:28
twitterCentralized information == censorship, it is always bad.Jun 22 20:28
twitterNo one should have the kind of bullhorn broadcast once gave people.Jun 22 20:28
twitterThe broadcasters cling to their power by discrediting bloggers and other newcomersJun 22 20:29
twitterthey seek to controlJun 22 20:29
twitterbeware of central control, it will give you the world of broadcast and strip freedom right out of your hands.Jun 22 20:30
twitterLOL, what pathetic excuse making.  " Chairman Joseph Hsu has bet the company on a strategy of eating into HP and Dell, and Microsoft would like nothing better than to help him punish those two companies for straying from the Microsoft way."  No anti-trust concerns there.  Nope.Jun 22 20:32
twitterLOLs continue, " as I noted during that show, a company gets twice as much from a PC with their brand on it as one they make for someone else. "  Right, if the damn thing sell.  See Vista for failure example.Jun 22 20:33
schestowitz80s-esque upgrade: http://aneesh-kumar.blogspot.com/2009/06/switching-from-vim-to-emacs.htmlJun 22 20:34
MinceRthat's a downgradeJun 22 20:34
schestowitztwitter: doesn't have to involve censorshipJun 22 20:34
schestowitzIt practice it usually doesJun 22 20:34
schestowitzOr throttlingJun 22 20:34
schestowitzThe 'gentle censorshipJun 22 20:34
schestowitzNo-no packetsJun 22 20:34
twittermore amazing shit, " It is also true that Linux cannot afford a presence in the channel. It’s not how we roll. You can’t invest in retailing if your product costs nothing."  That's not true at all.  First, no one should have to bribe an OEM to sell their software.  Software has value on it's own.Jun 22 20:36
schestowitzReporting bugs upstream http://castrojo.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/reporting-bugs-upstream/Jun 22 20:36
twitterSecond, there are plenty of commercial companies willing to pay the "investment"Jun 22 20:36
schestowitzIndeedJun 22 20:36
schestowitzAsk Dell evenJun 22 20:36
schestowitzWhose speaker is he?Jun 22 20:37
schestowitzIf it's ASUS, then they lieJun 22 20:37
twitter"not how we roll."  No gangsters here.  Nope, just corporate youth talk.  Gotta reach the peeps.Jun 22 20:37
schestowitzThey got "tied up"Jun 22 20:37
schestowitzAnd paid to knock LinuxJun 22 20:37
twitterAll of the bullshit comes from  Dana BlankenhornJun 22 20:37
twitterI'm surprised.  I did not know he was such a M$ sucker.Jun 22 20:38
twitterAt the very least, they guy needs to have his ethics meter recalibrated.Jun 22 20:38
twitterwell, gotta go for a while.  I'll be back later.Jun 22 20:39
schestowitzDaemonFC attacks UbuntuJun 22 20:41
schestowitzNot from BN IRCJun 22 20:41
schestowitzFrom his blog:Jun 22 20:41
schestowitz"I’m mainly making this post in reaction of disgust that Canonical and Ubuntu has sank so low as to adopt the slimy business ethics of the RIAA to stifle freedom of speech (which includes parody you fascist cocksuckers)." http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/ubuntu-adopts-tactics-of-the-riaa-to-pull-down-a-community-parody/Jun 22 20:41
schestowitzMaybe he'll have more time to do it in channels he's not abusing. he got banned from other channels BTW.Jun 22 20:41
schestowitzBN was probably the last one to tolerate himJun 22 20:42
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schestowitzIt's a shame MinceR misses himJun 22 20:42
schestowitz"Every European country with a stock market is down today…. Dax, FTSE, CAC,Jun 22 20:44
schestowitzSSMI, all.Jun 22 20:44
schestowitzSo, why am I not happy I pulled out Friday?Jun 22 20:44
schestowitzBecause my 2 sons and my son-in-law are heavily invested. And the downturnJun 22 20:44
schestowitzwill affect them, this does not give me pleasure. The Germans called itJun 22 20:44
schestowitzSchadenfreude."Jun 22 20:44
schestowitzI Love Ubuntu http://nicokun.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/i-love-ubuntu/Jun 22 20:45
MinceRi don't miss him.Jun 22 20:45
MinceRi don't miss the "zomg i love AAC so much i want to marry it" spam every dayJun 22 20:45
MinceRi don't miss the "zomg look at my 31337 vista desktop" spam eitherJun 22 20:45
MinceRand i miss the rest of that crap so little i barely even remember what it was.Jun 22 20:46
schestowitzUbuntu Satanic Store issue cleared up http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntu-satanic-store-issue-cleared-up/Jun 22 20:47
schestowitzRyanFC uses it to make aggressive attacks on  CanonicalJun 22 20:47
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MinceRoh right, the baseless smears against ubuntu... ignoring the actual issues with it because those aren't nearly sensational enough.Jun 22 20:48
schestowitzThe trademark thing I can understand Jun 22 20:50
schestowitzThey backed off anywayJun 22 20:50
schestowitzMany projects used association with "Ubuntu" to give credence to forksJun 22 20:50
schestowitzReview of Opera Unite: Putting a Web Server In a Browser http://maketecheasier.com/review-of-opera-unite-putting-a-web-server-in-a-browser/2009/06/20 Opera should just open up alreadyJun 22 20:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] clothes washed, dishes washed, gf escorted to girlfriend shopping done, dinner cooked, family fed, now to write a NotN ...Jun 22 20:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] gf escorted to doctor, I mean ...Jun 22 20:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This person explains why he dumped both OS X and Vista.. for GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/rg2GoJun 22 20:52
schestowitzWTF? Have you tried the “white boy” test? < http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/06/20/white-boy-test/ >Jun 22 20:53
schestowitzFirefox slow in Linux: http://www.andrewmlawrence.com/node/8Jun 22 20:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard I liked "gf escorted to girlfriend" better ;-)Jun 22 20:57
schestowitzIn mail: "I wrote about how I felt about Mono and how Ubuntu feels about it on myJun 22 20:59
schestowitzblog. I thought you may be interested in something like this. Just myJun 22 20:59
schestowitztwo cents"Jun 22 20:59
schestowitzNo URL !!Jun 22 20:59
schestowitzCould be another troll trap.. like that Fink trollJun 22 20:59
schestowitzMy 10 UNIX Command Line Mistakes http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/my-10-unix-command-line-mistakes.htmlJun 22 21:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox shown as the least RAM-greedy browser: http://ping.fm/OCkeZJun 22 21:02
ThistleWeblolJun 22 21:05
ThistleWebfirefox = least greedyJun 22 21:05
schestowitzTerrible project name:  Ubuntu Improves User Experience Via “Paper Cut” Campaign  < http://www.workswithu.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/ >Jun 22 21:05
schestowitzThistleWeb: watch the graphsJun 22 21:05
schestowitzAmong those testedJun 22 21:05
schestowitzNot the light optionsJun 22 21:05
ThistleWeb3.5?Jun 22 21:05
schestowitzIE is a pig @ ie7/8Jun 22 21:05
schestowitzThistleWeb: yes, but it may be less reasonable than 3.0Jun 22 21:05
ThistleWebyeah IE has hidden resources in windows though, so it's deceptive but even after that its not lightJun 22 21:06
trmancohttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/video/firefox-3.5.htmlJun 22 21:14
schestowitzWeb Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong < http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/ >Jun 22 21:15
schestowitzI'll post some news in COLAJun 22 21:16
_GoblinThings must be slow....Ive taken to having a conversation (of sorts) with BrandonLeeBlanc.Jun 22 21:19
MinceR"Web browser memory usage might not be that much of an issue in these days with Gigabytes of computer memory being build into modern computer systems." -- wow, the article fails at the first sentenceJun 22 21:23
schestowitz_Goblin:  you keep the trolls busy :-pJun 22 21:28
_GoblinlolJun 22 21:29
schestowitzThey can't do their jobJun 22 21:29
_Goblinhe seems to get wound up easily....Jun 22 21:29
_Goblinhe doesnt seem to appreciate my twitter lessonsJun 22 21:29
_GoblinI was only trying to help ;)Jun 22 21:29
schestowitz"Do not procrastinate!"Jun 22 21:30
schestowitz"I am not basing this solely on today’s stock market slide, but I see a new big downturn coming that could be brutal. As you know, I got out last Friday.Jun 22 21:30
schestowitz Jun 22 21:30
schestowitzI don’t think there is much chance that I am wrong about this. Right now, the only smell in the financial winds is uncertainty, and that quality is what freaks the markets…even worse than bad news.Jun 22 21:30
schestowitz Jun 22 21:30
schestowitzThere are key indicators that Market Watchers use and also crystal balls to try to predict which way finances will turn. However, most important to me is how my investments are reacting on a daily basis. I love when the market is down and my funds go up that day or only have a minor decline. I love when the market is up just a little my stuff soars. This is definitely not happening…in fact, the inverse is happening. That’s why Jun 22 21:30
schestowitzI’m out."Jun 22 21:30
schestowitz_Goblin: Twitter decelinesJun 22 21:31
schestowitz /eJun 22 21:31
schestowitzI'll focus on advancing Freedom in BN, I guess. Jun 22 21:32
*schestowitz prepares linksJun 22 21:32
trmancohttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-June/008868.htmlJun 22 21:32
_Goblinjust had a bad distro experience...with Slax.... :(Jun 22 21:33
ThistleWeb_Goblin: not tight enough for you?Jun 22 21:33
_GoblinI don't think I'll be happy until I can get a functional environment in less than 64kJun 22 21:33
ThistleWebyeah KDE is an odd choice for a distro designed for live useJun 22 21:34
_GoblinI'm joking of course....however Im looking more at building my own distro.Jun 22 21:34
ThistleWebtry SlitazJun 22 21:35
_Goblinthe problem I have is all the b*llocks that comes with a distro....#CBL is the worst offender to date...Jun 22 21:35
trmancois this a f*cking joke? -> http://iewins.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-internet-explorer-80-win-browser.htmlJun 22 21:36
_GoblinBallmer probably believes it.Jun 22 21:37
_GoblinBallmer probably wrote it..Jun 22 21:37
schestowitzHe's in marketingJun 22 21:37
schestowitzHe doesn't need to believeJun 22 21:37
schestowitzIt's his job or wife's job) to lieJun 22 21:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amarok Integrates with MySQL Server http://ping.fm/mp34pJun 22 21:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Is this some kind of joke or what? -> http://is.gd/19yHf !firefox #browser #warsJun 22 21:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop GNU/Linux Leaps Ahead Very Fast. Too fast? http://ping.fm/R4cM8Jun 22 21:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @glynmoody: mozillaca, a micro-blog for the Mozilla community - http://bit.ly/eZNq5 powered by Laconica, of course #mozilla #microblogJun 22 21:52
trmancohttp://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/22/microsoft-hires-yahoo-data-center-chief/Jun 22 21:55
schestowitzAnother one..Jun 22 21:56
schestowitzThe poor guy will see a Windows DCJun 22 21:56
schestowitz"WTF am I supposed to do w/ those crashy machines?"Jun 22 21:56
trmanco"Just throw'em away"Jun 22 21:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ways of Deciding on GNU/Linux Distribution http://ping.fm/JjlN4Jun 22 21:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Wikipedia Adds European Data Center: http://is.gd/19zddJun 22 21:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Interview with the Man Behind VectorLinux http://ping.fm/aDrrUJun 22 21:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Macpup, Derivative of Puppy GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/sYaptJun 22 22:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gentoo Comes to LinuxTag 2009, Meeting with Developer Markos Chandras http://ping.fm/OEFiS http://ping.fm/ZkExvJun 22 22:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Sceptics defeat homeopathy with homeopathic homeopathy http://notnews.today.com/?p=538Jun 22 22:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great New Reviews of Mandriva 2009.1 http://ping.fm/GSgc9 http://ping.fm/4fmnj http://ping.fm/EFzmuJun 22 22:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Dreamlinux 3.5 (Dreamlinux 4.0 is Coming Soon) http://ping.fm/aatbRJun 22 22:12
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schestowitzHi, Oak__ Jun 22 22:15
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu GNU/Linux Wins Many New Fans http://ping.fm/D2VsM http://ping.fm/dfVVn http://ping.fm/J9YF1 http://ping.fm/DpIAZJun 22 22:17
trmancoBrowser Security: Lessons from Google Chrome: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1556050Jun 22 22:18
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of UbuntuOne and Ubuntu Derivative Linux Mint 7 http://ping.fm/Ola8Y http://ping.fm/WeeOzJun 22 22:22
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schestowitzHey, wallpJun 22 22:24
trmancogood newsJun 22 22:24
*schestowitz listensJun 22 22:24
trmancoTMN (leading Mobile service provider here) is going to start to sell a phone with AndroidJun 22 22:25
trmancohttp://www.agenciafinanceira.iol.pt/noticia.php?id=1071212&div_id=1728Jun 22 22:25
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ugufjhfjObama's USPTO choice supports patent reformJun 22 22:26
schestowitztrmanco: that's good indeedJun 22 22:26
schestowitzugufjhfj: yes, but what type of reform?Jun 22 22:26
schestowitzReform, like Obama, means "change"Jun 22 22:26
schestowitzit doesn't say WHICHJun 22 22:27
trmancohttp://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/computadores/android_vai_chegar_a_rede_tmn_1000495.htmlJun 22 22:27
trmancomore hereJun 22 22:27
trmancoHTC magicJun 22 22:27
schestowitzThey wanted to crippled trolls in a reform, but not monopolisersJun 22 22:27
trmancowhatever that isJun 22 22:27
schestowitzCaixa MagicJun 22 22:27
trmancobut I bet it's going to be well payed, even though a part of it is open sourceJun 22 22:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] TMN lança telemóvel associado ao Google: http://is.gd/19A43 Finalmente!Jun 22 22:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with Fedora Enter Classrooms http://ping.fm/PMsZR http://ping.fm/y6oqiJun 22 22:32
TheTypistargh...got distracted with a phone callJun 22 22:35
TheTypisthi roy, i just sent you an email full of "textified" contentsJun 22 22:36
schestowitzNice!Jun 22 22:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software on Routers Grows Up and Gains Users' Confidence http://ping.fm/XtabRJun 22 22:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People of Vancouver Truly Take Control of Their IT's Freedom http://ping.fm/bxC3rJun 22 22:37
TheTypistdid you read my question about gmail?Jun 22 22:37
trmancohttp://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1321Jun 22 22:38
schestowitzSomeone close to Novell just told me:Jun 22 22:38
schestowitz"I think they need to do something. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Your noteJun 22 22:38
schestowitzwent into my spam filter. Novell downplayed the sale/breakup possibilityJun 22 22:38
schestowitzover the weekend.Jun 22 22:38
schestowitzStill, I think there's something to the breakup talk."Jun 22 22:38
schestowitzTheTypist: I read it right nowJun 22 22:38
tacone Tallken tessier TheTypist ThistleWeb trmanco twitter Jun 22 22:39
schestowitzTheTypist: yeah, it is interestingJun 22 22:39
schestowitzThere was a Gmail before GoogleJun 22 22:39
schestowitzBritish company/productJun 22 22:39
schestowitzAnd I can vaguely recall another thingJun 22 22:39
schestowitzMaybe Wikipedia will have the answersJun 22 22:39
TheTypisti didn't know that.  did google buy gmail?Jun 22 22:40
schestowitzNopeJun 22 22:40
schestowitzBut in the UK they can't call it gmailJun 22 22:40
schestowitzBut I think there was another thing I came acrossJun 22 22:40
schestowitzGoogle built it fromscratch AFAIKJun 22 22:40
schestowitzMS on the other hand took Hot-mail and turns it to steaming-mailJun 22 22:41
TheTypistyes, they did dreadful things to hotmail, indeedJun 22 22:41
schestowitzMoves it to WindersJun 22 22:42
schestowitzbelated thoughJun 22 22:42
TheTypistmust get back to work now...Jun 22 22:42
schestowitzAfter they got exposed for running BSDJun 22 22:42
TheTypistbye for now...Jun 22 22:42
schestowitzThanks!Jun 22 22:42
TheTypistyou're very welcome!Jun 22 22:43
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_Goblinright...Jun 22 22:46
_Goblinas a temp measure, Ive settled for UbuntuSE whilst I sort some stuff out..Jun 22 22:46
schestowitzSafety measure?Jun 22 22:47
schestowitz"peace of mind"?Jun 22 22:47
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_Goblinits probably the least bloated Ubuntu variant Ive ever used.Jun 22 22:47
trmancohttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Is-Linux-Suffering-From-Mono-67387.html?wlc=1245673560&wlc=1245708061Jun 22 22:48
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taconeyeah ?Jun 22 22:50
taconei thought it was just ubuntu + stuffJun 22 22:50
_GoblinIts more Ubuntu ---stuffJun 22 22:50
taconebut maybe they had to strip things out to make space for the musicJun 22 22:50
_Goblintheres only one album...Jun 22 22:50
_Goblinthats now goneJun 22 22:50
_Goblinno mono crap either.Jun 22 22:50
_Goblininfact no WP or office suite either....Jun 22 22:51
_Goblinwhich means I can just opt for AbiWord instead of OOJun 22 22:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Saves Money and Gains Thanks to Economy http://ping.fm/QHiQAJun 22 22:52
taconeniceJun 22 22:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FSF Collaborates with Creative Commons http://ping.fm/4UqjoJun 22 22:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Project Turns to Free Software Licensing http://ping.fm/aJyLwJun 22 22:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Defense Gets a Dose of Open Source http://ping.fm/xkuLMJun 22 23:02
trmancothunderbird 2.0.0.22 is available for downloadJun 22 23:12
taconelooolJun 22 23:12
trmancowhat?Jun 22 23:13
taconethis is probably ironic but it's pretty funnyJun 22 23:13
taconehttp://dktrkranz.wordpress.com/?p=289Jun 22 23:13
tacone"I decided to step in..."Jun 22 23:13
trmancocare to translate?Jun 22 23:13
tacone"... and partecipate to the crusade against mono. The first step is done  ! [links to solang in the ubuntu repos]"Jun 22 23:13
trmancoah, niceJun 22 23:14
taconedktrkranz is one of the most prolific motusJun 22 23:14
taconehe packages more than professionalsJun 22 23:14
trmancogoodJun 22 23:14
taconei don't think he's serious :)Jun 22 23:15
taconetrmanco: he's 11th http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthc.emgent.org%2Futu%2Futu_jaunty.php&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-aJun 22 23:21
trmanconiceJun 22 23:22
ugufjhfjhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/06/nvidia-says-no-to-linux-on-tegra-netbooks-chooses-wince.arsJun 22 23:24
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_Hicham_Hi All!Jun 22 23:25
_Hicham_schestowitz : are u still in here?Jun 22 23:25
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trmancothat was fastJun 22 23:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Harsh '70s reality. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/8909.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/522676.htmlJun 22 23:32
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taconeschestowitz: http://atomkarinca.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/why-i-switched-back-from-ubuntu-to-fedora/Jun 22 23:40
schestowitzOhJun 22 23:41
schestowitzThat's the one who mailed meJun 22 23:41
taconeit went on tuxmachines.orgJun 22 23:42
tacone(which is down)Jun 22 23:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Signs That Free Software and GNU/Linux Are Killing Microsoft http://ping.fm/h8wO5Jun 22 23:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] NEVER fly US Airways. Ever. What a disaster. More to come as I get it written up. I'm not done with them yet!Jun 22 23:47
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