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| VisionaryMary | hi everyone. | Jun 23 00:02 |
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| ShexNivis | hello there | Jun 23 00:02 |
| VisionaryMary | Has anyone seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpLWzPRfvU | Jun 23 00:03 |
| VisionaryMary | Apparently RMS approves of Mono. | Jun 23 00:03 |
| VisionaryMary | What does that mean about Mono when the father of free software approves of it? | Jun 23 00:03 |
| VisionaryMary | Thoughts? | Jun 23 00:06 |
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| VisionaryMary | What about you, Roy? | Jun 23 00:07 |
| VisionaryMary | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpLWzPRfvU | Jun 23 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jun 23 00:08 |
| _Hicham_ | Hi Mr schestowitz | Jun 23 00:08 |
| schestowitz | RMS said many things | Jun 23 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Also against Mono, more explicitly. | Jun 23 00:08 |
| schestowitz | He's a peace-loving man. | Jun 23 00:08 |
| *schestowitz watches Assessment of Nietzsche by Russell and Heidegger < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHk3_NwH-WM&feature=related > | Jun 23 00:08 | |
| schestowitz | brb | Jun 23 00:08 |
| VisionaryMary | But as a leader of the FSF, he says that Mono is not the evil thing that you're making it out to be. | Jun 23 00:09 |
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| _Hicham_ | wb Mr yuhong | Jun 23 00:11 |
| _Hicham_ | our guide to Win32 API | Jun 23 00:11 |
| neighborlee | _Hicham_, were those mononono rpm's tested | Jun 23 00:12 |
| yuhong | Yep, I admit I am more famlier with Win32 than with Unix APIs. | Jun 23 00:12 |
| _Hicham_ | neighborlee : no | Jun 23 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | no one liked to | Jun 23 00:14 |
| neighborlee | I was willing but apparantly I missed ya | Jun 23 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | r u on Fedora now? | Jun 23 00:14 |
| neighborlee | haha no | Jun 23 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | in the library? | Jun 23 00:15 |
| neighborlee | im not atm but I def. can be | Jun 23 00:15 |
| _Hicham_ | neighborlee : even openSUSE Build Service is down | Jun 23 00:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Whilst I complete my "Week with #Windows " article, Im giving Ubuntu Satanic Edition a run for its money. #ubuntu #linux #microsoft | Jun 23 02:02 | |
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| splosion | No freenode for Mibbit now? Bummer! | Jun 23 02:11 |
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| splosion | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/solang-is-in-ubuntu-repositories-now/ Woop | Jun 23 02:15 |
| neighborlee | nice ;)) | Jun 23 02:21 |
| splosion | Yeah I can't wait for that app to start coming along. Very impressed with it so far. I need a photo manager | Jun 23 02:31 |
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| splosion | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_26/b4137044277552.htm | Jun 23 03:56 |
| Dana Blakenhorn earns a special place in my Poison Pen Collection http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/206959 | Jun 23 03:56 | |
| and preserved under glass http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/231929 | Jun 23 03:57 | |
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| thanks for the link, splosion. http://slashdot.org/submission/1025253/M-vrs-Netbooks-Dwindling-Revenue-Fight | Jun 23 04:15 | |
| :) | Jun 23 04:15 | |
| these things are easy to predict http://slashdot.org/submission/1010271/The-Rise-of-GNU-150-MIPS-and-ARM-Netbooks | Jun 23 04:16 | |
| splosion | np, twitter | Jun 23 04:30 |
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| thenixedreport | Hello everyone. | Jun 23 04:41 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jun 23 04:41 |
| pratnell | "telling an audience in NYC that most American tech grads are 'unemployable.' Explaining that Americans are far less willing than students from developing economies like India, China, and Brazil to master the 'boring' details of tech process and methodology, the HCL chief added that most Americans are just too expensive to train" | Jun 23 04:42 |
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| thenixedreport | Wow. | Jun 23 04:43 |
| thenixedreport | That is so true. | Jun 23 04:43 |
| thenixedreport | lol | Jun 23 04:43 |
| hexx | hello | Jun 23 04:43 |
| thenixedreport | And quite sad. | Jun 23 04:43 |
| hexx | midnight... nice | Jun 23 04:43 |
| hexx | anyone alive here? | Jun 23 04:45 |
| splosion | sure | Jun 23 04:45 |
| hexx | howdy? | Jun 23 04:46 |
| thenixedreport | I'm alive. | Jun 23 04:47 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jun 23 04:47 |
| thenixedreport | :D | Jun 23 04:47 |
| thenixedreport | lol | Jun 23 04:47 |
| hexx | i was looking into possibility of porting banshee... | Jun 23 04:47 |
| thenixedreport | I've been working on an essay pertaining to mono. | Jun 23 04:48 |
| thenixedreport | After fighting with WordPress for the past couple of hours. | Jun 23 04:48 |
| hexx | oh, and how is your essay coming along? | Jun 23 04:48 |
| thenixedreport | lol | Jun 23 04:48 |
| thenixedreport | Just fine now that WordPress decided not to bork on me. | Jun 23 04:48 |
| thenixedreport | I use 1and1 as a hosting provider, so I had to add a line to a text file indicating that I wanted to use PHP5 instead of PHP4. | Jun 23 04:49 |
| thenixedreport | So upgrading automatically worked. | Jun 23 04:49 |
| thenixedreport | I'm running the 2.8.1 beta (the visual editor disappeared on the first attempted upgrade using the upgrade plugin). | Jun 23 04:49 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jun 23 04:49 |
| hexx | glad you had it sorted | Jun 23 04:49 |
| thenixedreport | As far as Banshee is concerned, isn't there Exaile? | Jun 23 04:50 |
| hexx | let me look for it | Jun 23 04:50 |
| hexx | well, they really put a lot of work into banshee, i think it has more features | Jun 23 04:50 |
| hexx | i run a line of code counting tool: 65 000 lines of code excluding comments | Jun 23 04:51 |
| thenixedreport | Are you re-writing it in C++? | Jun 23 04:51 |
| hexx | then i found pages with plugins for it | Jun 23 04:52 |
| hexx | well, i was thinking something more dynamic, like java or something | Jun 23 04:52 |
| thenixedreport | Hmm. | Jun 23 04:52 |
| thenixedreport | Python perhaps? | Jun 23 04:53 |
| hexx | im not good with python | Jun 23 04:53 |
| hexx | java 4 eva :) | Jun 23 04:53 |
| thenixedreport | lol | Jun 23 04:54 |
| thenixedreport | Have a look at atunes. | Jun 23 04:54 |
| thenixedreport | It's written in Java. | Jun 23 04:54 |
| hexx | nice | Jun 23 04:54 |
| hexx | why dont they put that in ubuntu then? | Jun 23 04:55 |
| hexx | anyway, i started thinking | Jun 23 04:56 |
| hexx | maybe they've made banshee so that it steps on other, non-mono patents | Jun 23 04:56 |
| hexx | say patents related to UI | Jun 23 04:56 |
| hexx | something that was patented for say, windows media player | Jun 23 04:57 |
| hexx | like certain UI peculiarities, user interactions and whatnot | Jun 23 04:57 |
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| tacone | pft | Jun 23 05:02 |
| tacone | banshee doesn't use win.forms. I guess that's the only thing. | Jun 23 05:02 |
| tacone | who knows which patents is mono infringing ? | Jun 23 05:03 |
| tacone | the issue is mono, not banshee itself. | Jun 23 05:03 |
| hexx | it's strange, i don't even see atunes in ubuntu repo | Jun 23 05:03 |
| hexx | well, it would be nice to take the mono compiler and make it output java code instead of object code | Jun 23 05:04 |
| hexx | or at least use it to parse the code, then use some mappings to translate into somethin non-mono | Jun 23 05:05 |
| tacone | don't think it's possible, but at least it's an original idea. | Jun 23 05:05 |
| hexx | well, anything is possible | Jun 23 05:05 |
| hexx | rediculously difficult maybe | Jun 23 05:05 |
| tacone | they should just have pushed ms to clarify the covenant. | Jun 23 05:07 |
| hexx | it will never happen | Jun 23 05:07 |
| tacone | in 2012 the deal will expire. then I laugh | Jun 23 05:07 |
| hexx | they may renew, you never know | Jun 23 05:08 |
| hexx | i think it would be worse if they did renew | Jun 23 05:08 |
| tacone | or get sold. | Jun 23 05:08 |
| tacone | or get sued. | Jun 23 05:08 |
| hexx | im pretty confident one could take mono compiler and make it output java binaries | Jun 23 05:10 |
| tacone | what about the bindings ? | Jun 23 05:10 |
| tacone | gtk# ? | Jun 23 05:10 |
| tacone | java has not good gtk bindings afaik (but I can be wrong) | Jun 23 05:10 |
| hexx | gtk# is c# binding to gtk | Jun 23 05:10 |
| hexx | if you can compile cshare to java, you can compile gtk# itself | Jun 23 05:11 |
| tacone | is gtk# in cs ? | Jun 23 05:11 |
| hexx | it will be mix of cs and c code | Jun 23 05:11 |
| hexx | c code you dont need to mess with | Jun 23 05:11 |
| tacone | seems like a good weekend project :) | Jun 23 05:12 |
| hexx | but would such compiler itself infridge on any patents? | Jun 23 05:12 |
| hexx | i mean, there is gcj, java to native compiler, c# to java should be doable at least theoretically | Jun 23 05:13 |
| hexx | cuz if any part of mono api infridges a patent, and you compile it... it still infridges that patent | Jun 23 05:15 |
| hexx | no matter what it is compiled into | Jun 23 05:15 |
| pratnell | which would be the case with WINE too. | Jun 23 05:15 |
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| hexx | wine can be dropped at any time | Jun 23 05:17 |
| hexx | it's a windows to linux migration bridge | Jun 23 05:17 |
| hexx | on the other hand mono dependency in gnome is a different story | Jun 23 05:17 |
| hexx | im just trying to figure out if there is a general way of fighting mono dependency | Jun 23 05:18 |
| hexx | say, by massively porting whatever they make with mono into alternative languages | Jun 23 05:18 |
| pratnell | any API that infinges a patent, still infinges that patent, no matter what it is, mono, wine, BSD, the kernel | Jun 23 05:19 |
| hexx | ok, so you have a tool that takes a source code using infridging api and ouputs a source code with non-infridging api | Jun 23 05:20 |
| hexx | then the tool itself is infridging the api, but the output is clean | Jun 23 05:20 |
| pratnell | yes, like always, you can use patent encumbered tools, but what you create does not fall under those patents, (unless the code you write specifically breaks some patent in its own right). | Jun 23 05:21 |
| hexx | java came before .net, so if you translate everything to java api directly, without a library, it cannot be infridging due to java existing before .net | Jun 23 05:21 |
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| hexx | that makes sense | Jun 23 05:22 |
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| hexx | tnx, pratnell | Jun 23 05:23 |
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| hexx | back | Jun 23 06:16 |
| hexx | there is one free c# to java converter, but the project seems dead | Jun 23 06:17 |
| hexx | one closed project exists though | Jun 23 06:17 |
| hexx | http://www.cs2j.com/ | Jun 23 06:17 |
| hexx | any thoughts? | Jun 23 06:17 |
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| Looky, looky at this pile of filth. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/watt | Jun 23 06:34 | |
| Want to bet what OS was used to "sniff" credit and debit card info? | Jun 23 06:35 | |
| Other exploits of this group are worthy of consideration. http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2002/08/54400 | Jun 23 06:35 | |
| basically, they are terrorists. | Jun 23 06:36 | |
| -> "Why be targeted by us when you can join us? Why post info, codes, or bugs when the end result is your entire system, family, and friends being owned? Doesn't it look like more fun to be a black hat than a white hat?" asks el8 in its latest newsletter. | Jun 23 06:38 | |
| They got Theo DeRatt and trojaned OpenBSD, according to Wired. | Jun 23 06:38 | |
| -> "If they do not change they will continue to be targeted, and it sucks to get owned, fired, physically beaten," said the #phrack manifesto, which was posted, along with the contents of Russell's home directory, at the website of one of the #phrack channel's operators, a 16-year-old who uses the nickname "gayh1tler." | Jun 23 06:41 | |
| Nice people. | Jun 23 06:41 | |
| Good to see a few of them going to jail. | Jun 23 06:41 | |
| Now if only people at M$ were treated the same way. Their crimes are larger and they are just as malicious. | Jun 23 06:42 | |
| pratnell | mabey when he gets to prison he will get to meet his very own gayh1tler :) | Jun 23 06:44 |
| Priceless -> "One of these days, these kids are going to have to pay a mortgage and get a job. And they're not going to become lawyers or doctors -- they're going to do what they're good at. And that means getting a career in the security industry," Hines said. | Jun 23 06:45 | |
| pratnell | yes, nightwatchman | Jun 23 06:45 |
| If these are the kinds of people who work in the [in]security business, I'm glad I don't need any of their "products" | Jun 23 06:47 | |
| The elimination of non free software won't get rid of crimes like this, but it will make them more expensive, more difficult and less common. | Jun 23 06:48 | |
| pratnell | thats right, there is no way they would ever get a job in that industry, would YOU trust them with your money, or stand the risk of being sued when its found out who your employing, | Jun 23 06:49 |
| pratnell | wherever there is the opportunity of commiting a crime, methods will be devised to do it. | Jun 23 06:50 |
| pratnell | people are very inventive that way,, sadly | Jun 23 06:51 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/citizentube , it tries to force you to log in | Jun 23 07:06 |
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| chips_b_malroy | Hey, anyone home? | Jun 23 07:10 |
| chips_b_malroy | Report: FTC to go after blogger freebies http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10269962-38.html | Jun 23 07:12 |
| chips_b_malroy | The Federal Trade Commission is planning to crack down on bloggers who review or promote products while earning freebies or payments, the Associated Press reported Sunday. | Jun 23 07:12 |
| chips_b_malroy | "New guidelines, expected to be approved late this summer with possible modifications, would clarify that the agency can go after bloggers--as well as the companies that compensate them--for any false claims or failure to disclose conflicts of interest," the article explained. | Jun 23 07:13 |
| chips_b_malroy | The practice of free products for bloggers, most of whom are not bound by ethical guidelines that journalists have historically followed, has been making headlines for some time now. Microsoft, for example, created a wave of bad press a few years ago when it gave free Acer laptops preloaded with Windows Vista to several dozen bloggers. | Jun 23 07:14 |
| chips_b_malroy | well, must be sleeping across the pond at this time. | Jun 23 07:15 |
| chips_b_malroy | cnet is ok to quote from, but AP I would not quote from | Jun 23 07:16 |
| chips_b_malroy | cjould or would the FTC actually go after MS, I doubt it, but its still possible. | Jun 23 07:18 |
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| chips_b_malroy | Windows 7: Microsoft vs. the PC Makers http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_26/b4137044277552.htm?chan=rss_topStories_ssi_5 | Jun 23 07:49 |
| chips_b_malroy | a very good article | Jun 23 07:50 |
| chips_b_malroy | quote: "The average notebook is now, for the first time, cheaper than the average desktop. The declines in notebook prices accelerated last year with the growing popularity of low-cost netbooks designed primarily for checking e-mail and surfing the Web. Netbooks that sell for less than $400 account for a fifth of total unit sales. " | Jun 23 07:50 |
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| chips_b_malroy | Quote: "The tangle between Microsoft and the PC makers is over who wins and who loses as profits get squeezed. PC companies typically pay $60 to $150 for Vista, but they can use the older Windows XP for roughly $15 for netbooks. Acer, HP, and others often make only about $20 in profits on a $400 netbook." | Jun 23 07:52 |
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| chips_b_malroy | Microsoft's Biggest Enemies: Its Greed and Market Reality http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10002258/microsofts-biggest-enemy-its-greed-and-market-reality/ | Jun 23 07:54 |
| chips_b_malroy | more about the same thing | Jun 23 07:54 |
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| thenixedreport | Well, my essay pertaining to Mono is coming along nicely. | Jun 23 08:41 |
| thenixedreport | Btw, if you use WordPress, Dean Lee's FCKEditor plugin is awesome! | Jun 23 08:41 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jun 23 08:41 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jun 23 08:42 |
| schestowitz | I haven't upgraded yet | Jun 23 08:42 |
| schestowitz | I'm waiting to see how it works for others | Jun 23 08:42 |
| _Goblin | God, im tired... | Jun 23 08:47 |
| _Goblin | Made my own little Lame distro last night/this morning. | Jun 23 08:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More on Novell’s Willingness to Sell < http://ping.fm/3lpxu > | Jun 23 08:47 | |
| _Goblin | based on Heron. | Jun 23 08:49 |
| _Goblin | its uber quick. | Jun 23 08:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open/SUSE and .NET < http://ping.fm/DrCKH > | Jun 23 09:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @rone: "I will be adding #mocknblock to every entry where I mock&block some idiot public timeline scraper or spammer who follows me" | Jun 23 09:52 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi there | Jun 23 09:53 |
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| Omar87 | Ya know something ppl? | Jun 23 10:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: ASCAP demands payment when your phone rings http://notnews.today.com/?p=540 (the pic scares me) | Jun 23 10:27 | |
| Omar87 | One thing that I really started to miss since I switched to Free Software.. Is a lightweight, but robust and powerfull audio conferencing application. Like Paltalk. | Jun 23 10:27 |
| Omar87 | If, for example Mozilla starts some kind of a project. Or at least agrees to adopt such a project. Wouldn't that be great? | Jun 23 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I think there are Web-based things for that | Jun 23 10:36 |
| schestowitz | They support Linux too | Jun 23 10:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, but they're not as famous as they should be. | Jun 23 10:38 |
| Omar87 | brb | Jun 23 10:39 |
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| pratnell | watching a doco on Madoff and was interested to note that Madoff referred to his "trading method" as a "Proprietary trading model", I wondered why FOSS have not picked up on that in relation to all things proprietary being evil. | Jun 23 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | pratnell: like business method patents? | Jun 23 11:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Microsoft, Danger in New Zealand, and Rise of Opposition < http://ping.fm/7IeEn > | Jun 23 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: indeed. Organisers get to tell others what s/w to use, lacking standards | Jun 23 11:12 |
| pratnell | makes me think if you can patent anything, even something illegal, like a computer virus. | Jun 23 11:19 |
| pratnell | what do you think about patening clones, like productive cows, or fast growing chickens, then your not just patenting DNA but a comple genome | Jun 23 11:20 |
| pratnell | Roy, it was a term madoff used when he was asked about his dealings, if anyone asked him questions he did not want to answer he would say that is a part of his proprietary trading method. | Jun 23 11:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #mocknblock @MattLevenhagen "Master in Targeted, Action Taking, Traffic Generation. 6+ Year Search Marketing Veteran." Also spamming. | Jun 23 11:27 | |
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| trmanco | I just wrote about Chromium | Jun 23 11:38 |
| trmanco | http://pt2.php.net/goto | Jun 23 11:50 |
| fewa | thats not the right link | Jun 23 11:57 |
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| trmanco | fewa, yeah I know | Jun 23 12:01 |
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| trmanco | http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/2.0.0.22/releasenotes/ | Jun 23 12:17 |
| trmanco | there is going to be a RC3 of FF 3.5 | Jun 23 12:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates: “Our Most Potent Operating System Competitor is Linux” < http://ping.fm/lWXCy > | Jun 23 12:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] [trmanco.com] Chromium looking great on Linux: I’ve just received a new update today from the.. http://tinyurl.com/m3q9bj | Jun 23 12:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #mocknblock @erockefeller funnily enough when someone tweets only about their pay per click tools I think they're a spammer. | Jun 23 12:32 | |
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| schestowitz | More Teens Using Social Networking Sites < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/06/22/more-teens-using-social-networking-sites >. So that's why those sites suck so bad :-) | Jun 23 12:36 |
| ThistleWeb | day R onleee badd if Yozz iz nutt down wif ya youf | Jun 23 12:40 |
| ThistleWeb | damn ^^^ was so hard to type | Jun 23 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Outwitting the Fashion Police < http://linux.com/news/featured-blogs/176-linus-torvalds/20607-outwitting-the-fashion-police > | Jun 23 12:49 |
| schestowitz | "Postscript: After I installed WordPress 2.8, I read that version 2.8.1 will soon be available. One of the big bugs it will fix is in the automatic upgrade process. Evidently it can delete the wrong files if something goes wrong. This did not happen to me, but you might want to wait if you are nervous about it and you might have to manually reinstall some of the core files from the source file installation set." | Jun 23 12:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3702 See why I didn't upgrade it until reports surfaced? | Jun 23 12:52 |
| schestowitz | WP 2.8.1 out soon with a fix (still beta) | Jun 23 12:53 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Jun 23 12:53 |
| trmanco | I was hit by a bug | Jun 23 12:53 |
| schestowitz | I need to upgrade it in 3 sites | Jun 23 12:54 |
| trmanco | my dashboard fails to load from time to time saying that my resources were exhausted | Jun 23 12:54 |
| trmanco | something to do with simplepie | Jun 23 12:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM is trying to poach Solaris (Oracle) customers: http://ping.fm/7kXU6 | Jun 23 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | Lots of controversy around Mono: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-22-006-39-OP-SW-LL | Jun 23 13:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE's Seigo on KDE4 innov~1: http://ping.fm/H7Djq | Jun 23 13:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rob Weir - From ODF pre-1.2 to ODF 1.2 < http://ping.fm/DJ2F1 > | Jun 23 13:27 | |
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| kentma | I've just seen how much the BL are charging for access to the material I've already paid for. It's beyond belief that they can imagine *anyone* would be prepared to pay that. | Jun 23 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | DRM too | Jun 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary DRM, naturally | Jun 23 13:40 |
| kentma | DRM? Even *after* you've paid for it? | Jun 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | kentma: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060317044847293 | Jun 23 13:40 |
| kentma | There's no way my school could afford this. | Jun 23 13:41 |
| kentma | This is reserving the library's contents for rich people and organisations, depriving the less well off of what is, fundamentally, equally their property, too. | Jun 23 13:41 |
| pratnell | depends what you paid for, if it was just for the Ipod, then yes, it sucks but its how it is. | Jun 23 13:42 |
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| kentma | The point of of libraries and archives is that everyone can access them - otherwise they might as well be privately owned and funded. Letting Microsoft into these places was an incredible decision - one of the most foolhardy I've ever seen HMG make - probably the worst since taking Bucks Palace off Linux and onto MS in order to keep Bill Gates happy. | Jun 23 13:53 |
| pratnell | murdock, lost $60 million today. (might be AUD). | Jun 23 13:58 |
| oiaohm | http://ostatic.com/blog/omeka-web-publishing-platform-makes-historical-archives-more-accessible Just hope the down turn last a while longer kentma | Jun 23 13:58 |
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| pratnell | HMG ?? | Jun 23 13:58 |
| kentma | HMG = Her Majesty's Government. | Jun 23 14:01 |
| schestowitz | It was PR | Jun 23 14:01 |
| schestowitz | "The queen choose Pearly" type | Jun 23 14:01 |
| kentma | I think Murdock makes $100s/day, so an odd $60 won't trouble him much. | Jun 23 14:01 |
| thenixedreport | Whew. | Jun 23 14:02 |
| thenixedreport | Finally finished it! | Jun 23 14:02 |
| thenixedreport | http://www.thenixedreport.com/blog/?p=45 | Jun 23 14:02 |
| thenixedreport | After having Firefox turn grey on me for the past couple of hours and having to kill and restart it. | Jun 23 14:02 |
| thenixedreport | lol | Jun 23 14:02 |
| kentma | :-) | Jun 23 14:02 |
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| nicktastic | "I just want an app that only plays music" - amen brother. | Jun 23 14:14 |
| *nicktastic <3 xmms. | Jun 23 14:14 | |
| thenixedreport | Or Audacious or Beep... | Jun 23 14:15 |
| thenixedreport | lol | Jun 23 14:15 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jun 23 14:15 |
| nicktastic | audacious is horribly buggy | Jun 23 14:17 |
| nicktastic | beep doesn't have xmms's awesome file browser | Jun 23 14:17 |
| thenixedreport | Unfortunately, the devs weren't willing to compile against gtk2 | Jun 23 14:17 |
| thenixedreport | :( | Jun 23 14:17 |
| thenixedreport | Wonder why... | Jun 23 14:17 |
| nicktastic | That's okay, it needs to play music well, not look pretty :) | Jun 23 14:18 |
| Omar87 | Hey guys, check out this article: http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/67387.html?wlc=1245763812 | Jun 23 14:19 |
| nicktastic | But audacious and beep do indeed look very nice | Jun 23 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jun 23 14:27 |
| thenixedreport | Ok. | Jun 23 14:28 |
| thenixedreport | Please feel free to comment. | Jun 23 14:28 |
| thenixedreport | :D | Jun 23 14:29 |
| pratnell | you make 3 good point thenixedreport, 1, mono is not a fight worth having, 2, the fight looks bad from outside the community. 3, FOSS should spend their energy on productive tasks like product improvement. | Jun 23 14:29 |
| thenixedreport | @pratnell: I'm no fan of Mono myself. | Jun 23 14:30 |
| thenixedreport | I would prefer it not to exist at all. | Jun 23 14:30 |
| pratnell | that is apparent from your article | Jun 23 14:30 |
| thenixedreport | However, what little opportunity there was for that to happen passed years ago. | Jun 23 14:31 |
| thenixedreport | The focus should be on Microsoft. | Jun 23 14:31 |
| pratnell | but as you said, it does and how its delt with is important, as is the perception of how its delt with. | Jun 23 14:31 |
| thenixedreport | Gnote is a great example of how to deal with it. | Jun 23 14:31 |
| thenixedreport | Actually participating in the community of your favorite distro is another way of dealing with it. | Jun 23 14:32 |
| thenixedreport | I truly think that apathy is a major problem. | Jun 23 14:32 |
| thenixedreport | If you don't compete, others will and you won't like it. :) | Jun 23 14:32 |
| thenixedreport | Besides, Windows 7 is being underestimated. | Jun 23 14:33 |
| thenixedreport | Yeah, parts of it are not stable, but that's the 64-bit edition and Starter Edition. | Jun 23 14:33 |
| thenixedreport | Most people are going to run the 32-bit edition. | Jun 23 14:33 |
| thenixedreport | 32-bit is actually quite solid. | Jun 23 14:34 |
| thenixedreport | Where it's at a disadvantage is on systems with 1 GB or less of RAM. | Jun 23 14:34 |
| thenixedreport | This is where other operating systems can prevail. | Jun 23 14:34 |
| pratnell | windows 7 is a large threat to FOSS, but FOSS is very adversarial, but I agree competition is the best way to go, far better than a smear compain. (as they usually fail). | Jun 23 14:34 |
| thenixedreport | The campaign against Vista worked. | Jun 23 14:37 |
| thenixedreport | That was due to Vista actually sucking worse than a cheap prostitute in a desolate city. | Jun 23 14:37 |
| thenixedreport | By the time real fixes were implemented, it was too late. | Jun 23 14:37 |
| thenixedreport | Also, businesses saw no point in migrating to Vista. | Jun 23 14:37 |
| pratnell | well, yes and no, there is something like 200 million vista licenses in the wild, and they go out the door at about 20 million per month. | Jun 23 14:37 |
| thenixedreport | Plenty of businesses out there won't go for Windows 7. | Jun 23 14:38 |
| pratnell | and most businesses do run vista now | Jun 23 14:38 |
| thenixedreport | They'll look at the features to what they already have and won't be able to justify upgrading. | Jun 23 14:38 |
| thenixedreport | Which businesses are using Vista? | Jun 23 14:38 |
| pratnell | if they are running vista that may well be the case. | Jun 23 14:38 |
| thenixedreport | I know it's possible if it's just a small business buying a machine for a few simple purposes. | Jun 23 14:39 |
| thenixedreport | But large corporations for the most part see no need for it. | Jun 23 14:39 |
| thenixedreport | 7 has a better chance. | Jun 23 14:39 |
| thenixedreport | Along with server 2008. | Jun 23 14:39 |
| thenixedreport | (Though from what I hear, 2003 was actually decent) | Jun 23 14:39 |
| pratnell | most businesses who purchased PC's within the past 2 or so years will be routinely running vista. | Jun 23 14:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] gf is out with older teen seeking educational place. it is over 9000 degrees outside. teen is dressed like 16yo emo, i.e. will melt. | Jun 23 14:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] (i must note that's "over 9000" for the engrish as they are. it's actually 21C feels like 24. we would call this "cool spring" in perth.) | Jun 23 15:22 | |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | Jun 23 15:23 |
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| Eruaran | hi | Jun 23 15:25 |
| _Hicham_ | howdy Eruaran? | Jun 23 15:31 |
| _Hicham_ | wb tacone | Jun 23 15:31 |
| Eruaran | hello | Jun 23 15:31 |
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| Aliao | hi there | Jun 23 15:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] 2009:software installation in #Linux is still broken - and a path to fixing it! Do you agree? See http://fsmsh.com/3162 #fsmag #freesoftware | Jun 23 16:42 | |
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| Omar87 | Okay, guys. I hate Jack Wallen. | Jun 23 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: no, he's OK | Jun 23 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Check the average | Jun 23 17:03 |
| schestowitz | As in, more articles. He's a pro-Linux fan. | Jun 23 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jun 23 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "Keith Curtis" (the Microsofter who says Microsoft is doomed) is following me now | Jun 23 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Google News serves up...Wikipedia links < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/22/google_news_/ > | Jun 23 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Manchester council caned over school data breach < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/23/manchester_laptop_breach/ > | Jun 23 17:06 |
| schestowitz | "Recession will destroy 40,000 UK IT services jobs .. They won't come back till 2013 " http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/23/more_tech_jobs_go/ And yet they still call it "recession" | Jun 23 17:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: What do you personally think of Keith Curtis? | Jun 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | JustGiving.com website goes titsup after upgrade < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/23/just_giving_website_relaunch_problems/ > | Jun 23 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: not sure. | Jun 23 17:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wikiland gets Euro data center < http://ping.fm/A0DVp >. Probably the most important site on the Web. | Jun 23 17:12 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: He's following you on twitter? | Jun 23 17:14 |
| Omar87 | Is that him? | Jun 23 17:14 |
| Omar87 | http://twitter.com/keithcurtis | Jun 23 17:14 |
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| thenixedreport | I'm back. | Jun 23 17:32 |
| thenixedreport | yay | Jun 23 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Jun 23 17:34 |
| schestowitz | wb, thenixedreport | Jun 23 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing some Comes exhibits | Jun 23 17:34 |
| thenixedreport | I see. | Jun 23 17:35 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jun 23 17:35 |
| thenixedreport | I was wanting your take on the essay I wrote. | Jun 23 17:35 |
| schestowitz | thenixedreport: I have it ready fro posting later | Jun 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | I need to think where it fits | Jun 23 17:36 |
| thenixedreport | I would have had it done sooner were it not for my hosting provider adding weird steps to enable PHP5. | Jun 23 17:38 |
| thenixedreport | brb | Jun 23 17:38 |
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| _Hicham_ | wb neighborlee | Jun 23 18:00 |
| neighborlee | ty | Jun 23 18:05 |
| _Hicham_ | howdy? | Jun 23 18:05 |
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| thenixedreport | Hello neighborlee | Jun 23 18:14 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jun 23 18:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Mocks Free Software by Substituting “Proprietary” With “Commercial” < http://ping.fm/L0UP9 > | Jun 23 18:17 | |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Jun 23 18:35 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jun 23 18:35 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri Jun 12 17:24:05 2009 | Jun 23 18:35 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Jun 23 18:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO's New Proposed Sale Plan - Wants to Sue Linux Users Some More http://ping.fm/8CUFs | Jun 23 18:47 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: new Hungarian distro: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/122162/index.html | Jun 23 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait, it's a game | Jun 23 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Have you never seen a Cisco crash? http://www.ciscozine.com/2009/06/22/have-you-never-seen-a-cisco-crash/ | Jun 23 18:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The goodness of Amarok for older PCs: Minirok 2.0 - Minimalist Audio Player for KDE4 < http://ping.fm/7MhJD > | Jun 23 18:57 | |
| schestowitz | Never heard of Minirok before, so I doubt it's mature. | Jun 23 19:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jun/21/dignitas-suicide-clinic-britons (Suicide clinic challenged over patients who could have lived 'for decades') | Jun 23 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Streets of Tehran left empty as protesters wait in vain for sign http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/21/tehran-iran-protest-crackdown | Jun 23 19:04 |
| schestowitz | UK: Video shows surveillance protesters bundled to ground by police < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/21/kingsnorth-protester-arrests-video-complaint > | Jun 23 19:05 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism" http://ping.fm/jXkMz Force of Democracy==Terrorism now? | Jun 23 19:12 | |
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| MinceR | The server at www.ciscozine.com is taking too long to respond. | Jun 23 19:21 |
| MinceR | oops, i'm afraid i've seen a cisco crash then. :> | Jun 23 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Meh :-) | Jun 23 19:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Further dilution of the term open source: "Open Source Minerals" http://ping.fm/gzhun | Jun 23 19:22 | |
| MinceR | 11: 20g.vss-1-6k.routers.chtix.eu (91.121.131.86) 37.692ms | Jun 23 19:23 |
| MinceR | 12: no reply | Jun 23 19:23 |
| MinceR | i'd guess that's a cisco | Jun 23 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: here's a new example of FOSS praise from Jack Wallen, < http://www.builderau.com.au/program/linux/soa/10-reasons-why-open-source-makes-sense-on-smartphones/0,339028299,339297042,00.htm > | Jun 23 19:25 |
| schestowitz | /ci/fia/ | Jun 23 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | IDC says something about "open source", but why the mention here of SHAREPOINT?!? http://hosting.onestopclick.com/technology_news/more-firms-using-open-source-managed-hosting_19229411.htm | Jun 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4390 "Nortel, once one of the Big Three in telecom equipment (Lucent, now part of Alcatel and Siemens were the others) is being broken up for pennies on the dollar. Its stock is now officially worthless." | Jun 23 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-10535-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=65976&messageID=1239220 "Accounting scandal? Not mentioned even once?" | Jun 23 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too was caught in accounting scandals before. Even Apple and Novell....... | Jun 23 19:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It's really sad, tragic and terrible when Linux hooks up with the unethical PR industry :-( http://ping.fm/UlOMY | Jun 23 19:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Code monkeys get trained. Developers learn. | Jun 23 20:27 | |
| schestowitz | NY Times Discovers That Advertising Is Content; Content Is Advertising < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090622/0053025310.shtml > | Jun 23 20:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] this is a test ;-) example.com | Jun 23 20:32 | |
| tacone | uff | Jun 23 20:32 |
| tacone | i forgot everything i post goes here :) | Jun 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Empathy and Banshee to be in Karmic (9.10)? < http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/06/empathy-and-banshee-to-be-in-karmic-910.html > | Jun 23 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if the MSFTer is responsible for putting in the software which MS' ally (Novell) develops for media | Jun 23 20:34 |
| schestowitz | "Axis of .NET" ;-) | Jun 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/2298466144 | Jun 23 20:36 |
| tacone tessier thenixedreport ThistleWeb togga trmanco twitter | Jun 23 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: any thoughts? | Jun 23 20:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] this is a test http://example.com | Jun 23 20:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IE is like malaria, says Mozilla VP http://ping.fm/w1Ov0 | Jun 23 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | "These are only 10 of the issues that I've had with Ubuntu, but they're enough to keep me away. I am sure others have disagreements with me over some of these issues, and I would like to see Free Software and Linux succeed but it seems to me that Cananocal needs some major improvements." http://gnuski.blogspot.com/2009/06/gripes-with-ubuntu.html | Jun 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Canonical wants to quiet me down, methinks | Jun 23 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | And that one liar probably does his damage with false accusations, falsely connecting mt to people on their mailing lists | Jun 23 20:41 |
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| lunchtime | Hi Roy | Jun 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Hey there | Jun 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I'll invite Jono to IRC | Jun 23 20:44 |
| lunchtime | Just stopped in to let you know I just sent you an email | Jun 23 20:45 |
| lunchtime | with the most recent PDF as text | Jun 23 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I look forward to reading it | Jun 23 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I jst saw it a minute ago | Jun 23 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I am building it up also in http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Bill_Gates | Jun 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | There's lots more to be added there (links to existing posts.. we have almost 7000) | Jun 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | And I have lots of Ballmer smoking guns next :-) These wil be fun | Jun 23 20:47 |
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| jono | hey | Jun 23 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there! | Jun 23 20:59 |
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| lunchtime | heh...ballmer and "smoking guns" sounds like a dangerous combination | Jun 23 20:59 |
| tacone1 | ' | Jun 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | lunchtime: yes, we have lots of antitrust memos from him | Jun 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | jono: I had nothing to do with that troll in the mailing lists | Jun 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | In fact, here in IRC we were embarrassed by him | Jun 23 20:59 |
| jono | hey schestowitz, no worries | Jun 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | He even attacked this guy, who then wanted to sue the troll | Jun 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | So the troll tried to throw it on someone sle | Jun 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | *else | Jun 23 21:00 |
| jono | I just figured it would be good for us to have a chat, I want to understand BoycottNovell more and what you want to achieve | Jun 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | OK, good | Jun 23 21:00 |
| jono | schestowitz, would phone not be an option? I just find it easier than typing | Jun 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Well, the name is mostly to do with the catalyst | Jun 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I've been more interested in the parts that need research | Jun 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Like Comes vs Microsoft | Jun 23 21:01 |
| jono | right | Jun 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Or secret deals | Jun 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | bar the spin | Jun 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Press releases won't say much | Jun 23 21:01 |
| tacone1 | uh, the jono. | Jun 23 21:01 |
| jono | heya tacone1 :) | Jun 23 21:02 |
| jono | schestowitz, so, would you be free for a call? | Jun 23 21:02 |
| schestowitz | jono: I realise that Ubuntu has some concerns about recent posts | Jun 23 21:02 |
| jono | I would happy to call you | Jun 23 21:02 |
| schestowitz | This is not intentional at all and I use Ubuntu on 3 machines not to just pretend | Jun 23 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Mono is a Novell issue | Jun 23 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Novell and Mirosoft | Jun 23 21:02 |
| schestowitz | jono: I don't like the phone | Jun 23 21:03 |
| jono | schestowitz, ok, no worries | Jun 23 21:03 |
| schestowitz | You of course realise I'm no foe of anyone | Jun 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | The concern is tied to the threats to Freedom... | Jun 23 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Needless to say, with all the daemonisations, smears and libel some people misread the message | Jun 23 21:05 |
| jono | schestowitz, actions have repurcussions | Jun 23 21:06 |
| jono | I realize your heart is in the right place | Jun 23 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Or have preconceptions about tone and all. I understand why it's easier to reconcile on the phone | Jun 23 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Like when you met Highfield | Jun 23 21:06 |
| schestowitz | He works for MS UK now BTW | Jun 23 21:06 |
| jono | this is why I would like to have a quick phone chat | Jun 23 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he brought Ubuntu there with him ;-) | Jun 23 21:06 |
| jono | I promise I don't bite | Jun 23 21:06 |
| jono | and I am not angry with you | Jun 23 21:06 |
| jono | I just want to understand | Jun 23 21:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] wasted chances | Jun 23 21:07 | |
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| schestowitz | jono: what's your opinion of Christopher Tozzi < http://www.workswithu.com/2009/06/23/the-problem-with-ubuntu-branding/ >? | Jun 23 21:09 |
| schestowitz | If there's a side that often rants about Ubuntu, it's actually Working with U | Jun 23 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I guess these things get amplified because Ubuntu, bring the top dig, made some jealous ones | Jun 23 21:10 |
| schestowitz | /bring/being/ | Jun 23 21:10 |
| tacone1 | pft. journalist need to talk as well as blogger. summer == no topics == crap all around | Jun 23 21:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox 3.5 RC Review http://ping.fm/sSb81 | Jun 23 21:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Jamie. Watson is always positive: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10013018o-2000498448b,00.htm | Jun 23 21:12 |
| tacone1 tessier thenixedreport togga trmanco twitter | Jun 23 21:13 | |
| schestowitz | tacone1: yeah, not much going on. I'll take a break soon, I guess. Maybe in July | Jun 23 21:13 |
| tacone1 | me too. | Jun 23 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Carla is away for a week, but she didn't name her replacement | Jun 23 21:13 |
| tacone1 | actually workswithu doesn't rant so much. | Jun 23 21:13 |
| jono | schestowitz, I am not here to find people who don't like Ubuntu | Jun 23 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Tux Machines still has excellent picks | Jun 23 21:13 |
| tacone1 | yep, she didn't. | Jun 23 21:13 |
| jono | schestowitz, and I am not looking for Ubuntu fanboys | Jun 23 21:14 |
| schestowitz | jono: we like Ubuntu | Jun 23 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Many of us use Ubuntu among all the distros | Jun 23 21:14 |
| jono | I just want to understand your project, what you want to achieve and how you are going about it | Jun 23 21:14 |
| schestowitz | jono: what is it about? | Jun 23 21:14 |
| jono | thats all | Jun 23 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Why must it be private? | Jun 23 21:14 |
| schestowitz | jono: I can explain here and the site states it too | Jun 23 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I have support from some people who don't materialise in the comment | Jun 23 21:14 |
| tacone1 | jono, schestowitz why don't you exchange your email adressed like good teens and maybe talk a little ? | Jun 23 21:15 |
| tacone1 | after the 3rd email you could even go to cinema together <3 | Jun 23 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Those who oppose us are usually the very same people whose interests they know are harmful to the advancement of Freedom | Jun 23 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Like Newham for example | Jun 23 21:15 |
| *schestowitz <3 YouTube | Jun 23 21:16 | |
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| schestowitz | jono: do you read BN? | Jun 23 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Also: do you find it beneficial? | Jun 23 21:18 |
| schestowitz | This one is odd [from Tux Machines]: http://manishtech.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/upcoming-exciting-news-from-tech-world/ | Jun 23 21:19 |
| jono | schestowitz, BN? | Jun 23 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Novell not for sale, but perhaps should be < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10270041-16.html > | Jun 23 21:19 |
| tacone1 | BN = boycottnovell | Jun 23 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | jono: Boycott Novell | Jun 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it :-D | Jun 23 21:19 |
| jono | schestowitz, ahhh | Jun 23 21:19 |
| jono | sometimes | Jun 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Some people misunderstand the site | Jun 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Esp. those who land on it at the wrong time | Jun 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | For example... | Jun 23 21:19 |
| lunchtime | "teens"? Hmmm, I thought email was just for old people (j/k) | Jun 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Some Ubuntu folks only ever see if when some creep harasses them with a link that's critical | Jun 23 21:20 |
| jono | I have read it in the past | Jun 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | So that's their impression of the site, although we praise Ubuntu a lot | Jun 23 21:20 |
| jono | but I have to admit, I think fighting FUD with FUD is not the best solution | Jun 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Which is why it bothers me a lot when zealots link to it | Jun 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | There's another one that caused people to hate us because he links to the site with foul words like "mafia" | Jun 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | jono: I don't con sider it FUD | Jun 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | PR is FUD because it's designed to deceive | Jun 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Whereas BN provides proof | Jun 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Example: | Jun 23 21:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] !aikido anyone ? | Jun 23 21:22 | |
| schestowitz | What do you think about posts that show MS driving US politics? | Jun 23 21:22 |
| jono | schestowitz, its a website that is fundamentally designed to bolster a specific campaign against another | Jun 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Or evading tax? | Jun 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Or attacking Linux? | Jun 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | That's not FUD | Jun 23 21:22 |
| jono | which is what I consider FUD | Jun 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | That's just a little too sensitive for some outlets to cover | Jun 23 21:22 |
| jono | and I just worry what reputiation it gives our community to our friends | Jun 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | GL (Groklaw) covers this too | Jun 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | To a lesser degree though | Jun 23 21:22 |
| Cigar | The problem is that it easy to play hard and fast with facts. Itf you want to be accurate, it takes time. To refute 30 sec of BS you may need a week of work. We need to change the rules: the one who claims something also proves it. | Jun 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | jono: the site does not represent any company | Jun 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | It's a resource, information | Jun 23 21:23 |
| jono | schestowitz, no but it represents our community | Jun 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Jun 23 21:23 |
| jono | the Linux community | Jun 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | It's mostly me and people who help out a lot | Jun 23 21:23 |
| jono | I think it is representative of our culture | Jun 23 21:23 |
| jono | but this is why I want to understand it more | Jun 23 21:23 |
| jono | I don't want to jump to conclusions | Jun 23 21:24 |
| schestowitz | I guess others have the same problem | Jun 23 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Linus does not like it, either | Jun 23 21:24 |
| jono | but if you don't have time for a call, no worries, I haven't got much time to chat on IRC | Jun 23 21:24 |
| schestowitz | He lives in a Hollywood-type home | Jun 23 21:24 |
| jono | I pick phone as it is quicker and easier | Jun 23 21:24 |
| schestowitz | So ethics scares him a littlwe | Jun 23 21:24 |
| schestowitz | *scare | Jun 23 21:24 |
| jono | schestowitz, having a nice home and having ethics are not opposing forces | Jun 23 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Not at all | Jun 23 21:24 |
| jono | I have a nice home, not Hollywood style, but I think I have my ethics set firmly | Jun 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | But the point is different | Jun 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | He shies away from some questions | Jun 23 21:25 |
| tacone1 | mixing evangelization with proofs/external-references gives mixed results | Jun 23 21:25 |
| tacone1 | it has to be said there's much bashing against BN as well. | Jun 23 21:25 |
| tacone1 | that's why groaklaw doesn't suffer from bashing (just death threats ?) | Jun 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Only later to realise it affects him | Jun 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Like software patents | Jun 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Or canceled Linux contracts | Jun 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Like Wal-Mart | Jun 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Which turn out to involve a Microsoft "taskforce" that pressured Wal-Mart | Jun 23 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | That's antitrust | Jun 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | And we need that stuff to be made public | Jun 23 21:26 |
| jono | anyway, I have to run | Jun 23 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Ok, thanks. | Jun 23 21:26 |
| jono | I hope we can chat on the phone schestowitz | Jun 23 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I appreciate you dropping by | Jun 23 21:26 |
| jono | all the best | Jun 23 21:26 |
| jono | :) | Jun 23 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jun 23 21:26 |
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| lunchtime | Roy, just curious, but why not speak to jono on the phone? | Jun 23 21:27 |
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| lunchtime | It's ok, it's none of my business anyway | Jun 23 21:31 |
| *schestowitz gets the idea that Jono wants the site's message/goal changed | Jun 23 21:31 | |
| lunchtime | well, to be honest, i'm not big on phone conversations myself | Jun 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | lunchtime: Canonical should target hate sites like this: http://ubuntusyndrome.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/stop-it/ | Jun 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | That's just today's example | Jun 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | BN is a polite Web site | Jun 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Just because some zealots read it with pride does not mean it's a "bad" site | Jun 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe there is a "bad" crowd around it. That's why Bruce Perens shout down his site, Technocrat | Jun 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | *sut | Jun 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | */shout/shut/ | Jun 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | lunchtime: to me, it's mostly the insinuation that we cannot have this discussion in public | Jun 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I like Jono, but I understand that there is also a commercial side to the debate here. It was the same when I was sort of corresponding with Ted Haeger, who is Jono's friend | Jun 23 21:36 |
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| lunchtime | I understand. But maybe there's info that he just couldn't pass on in public (?) | Jun 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | [Haeger worked for Novell at the time, that was just before the Novell/MS deal] | Jun 23 21:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Guadalinex v6 is out! http://ping.fm/PAuUn | Jun 23 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | lunchtime: I think transparency helps | Jun 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | If we demand it from say... politicians, why can't we? | Jun 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Secrecy implies dishonesty or isolation of motives | Jun 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | There are good explanations of the externalities factor | Jun 23 21:38 |
| lunchtime | i agree, but sometimes people need reassurance that they can speak their mind without everyone else | Jun 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | When two people make a deal they may because it's good for both (i.e. everyone) | Jun 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | externalities are unaccounted for | Jun 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Example: lumber company signs deal with Brasilian company that chop down the Amazons | Jun 23 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Good for both sides, right? | Jun 23 21:39 |
| lunchtime | ...without everyone else (including trolls) listening in | Jun 23 21:39 |
| schestowitz | What's not to like? | Jun 23 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Trolls dismiss themselves | Jun 23 21:39 |
| schestowitz | They use fake nyms, they change names, they hide under rocks, etc. | Jun 23 21:39 |
| schestowitz | "Anonymous Cowards" lack credibility | Jun 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Because if they can't put their actions behind their names it can imply all sorts of thing | Jun 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | [no offense you you, lunchtime :-)] | Jun 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | PJ wanted privacy to prevent abuse | Jun 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | [which she got anyway] | Jun 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | It is impossibily to retain anonymity if someone REALLY wants and need to get the identity. One can go further than issuing 'national security' demands to Yahoo/Google DC | Jun 23 21:41 |
| lunchtime | I actually think anonymity (i can't spell it) should be a protected right | Jun 23 21:41 |
| lunchtime | women online have a tough enough time | Jun 23 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but it's hardly practicable | Jun 23 21:41 |
| lunchtime | why? | Jun 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | What happens when anonymous leaks the details of anonymous? | Jun 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I see it all the time | Jun 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft troll do intimidation like this | Jun 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | ISP snoops, then leaking details of so-called "terrorists" (i.e. those who 'dare' to praise Linux) | Jun 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | This has gone on for ages | Jun 23 21:42 |
| lunchtime | (I'm thinking about this anonymity issue) | Jun 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | marbux told me something good about it | Jun 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Cause he too faced the issues one copes with when daring to challenge 'power' (can be company or anything like this for that matter) | Jun 23 21:45 |
| lunchtime | being just an ordinary software user, i don't have anyone to stand up for me like "community" people do | Jun 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | There's this illusion of freedom that's unchallenged, but it's mythical | Jun 23 21:46 |
| lunchtime | i'm not important, and i only contribute in small ways... | Jun 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | "DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism" http://ping.fm/jXkMz " | Jun 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | ^That's from today's news (ish) | Jun 23 21:46 |
| lunchtime | "grandma" gets all the crap online, because everyone knows she's too stupid | Jun 23 21:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What an absurd idea: Should Novell buyout Mandriva? < http://ping.fm/FHibD > Makes no sense at all. | Jun 23 21:47 | |
| schestowitz | lunchtime: not at all | Jun 23 21:47 |
| lunchtime | to use anything but aol and windows | Jun 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Actually, combining many fields and experiences yields better results | Jun 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | This is why Groklaw and WIkipedia work | Jun 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Engineers+lawyers+philosophers, etc. | Jun 23 21:48 |
| lunchtime | if i put my name out there, my business could be affected (effected?) and my family | Jun 23 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Almost everyone but meta-industries like "insurance" | Jun 23 21:48 |
| lunchtime | would be horrified if something bad happened | Jun 23 21:48 |
| schestowitz | It would not | Jun 23 21:48 |
| lunchtime | anyway...i'm expendable to say the least... | Jun 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | But people's lives are invaded if they upset someone | Jun 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | People' guard their online reputation | Jun 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | But there are all sorts of issues they may miss | Jun 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Like.. | Jun 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Some Microsoft trolls using other people's names | Jun 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Like colleagues of people | Jun 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Or the name of bosses | Jun 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Or holocaust survival and stuff | Jun 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | *vers | Jun 23 21:50 |
| lunchtime | i'm just saying that trolls would see me as an easy target, and us users really don't have anyone to help out | Jun 23 21:50 |
| lunchtime | when it comes to troll attacks | Jun 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | it's basically just a noise machine and harassment. | Jun 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Let me find you an article | Jun 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft Says Worker Wrote Smear of Rival" http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E4DE1539F930A2575BC0A96F958260 | Jun 23 21:51 |
| lunchtime | reading it now... | Jun 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | But, lunchtime | Jun 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | That's the type of stories we want and need to cover | Jun 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | No-one else dares to | Jun 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | And now you know why | Jun 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It's cyclic | Jun 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | You expose Microsoft smear campaigns | Jun 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | And then... well, you get smeared | Jun 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It's a taboo, it's black comedy | Jun 23 21:52 |
| lunchtime | well, being smeared, personally, is no big deal to me, but | Jun 23 21:53 |
| lunchtime | my business and customers and family are a different story | Jun 23 21:53 |
| lunchtime | I've wanted to write some articles for a VERY long time | Jun 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Here is Microsoft sending out the PR: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/23/bill-gates-mocks-gpl/#comments | Jun 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | This guy who just commented: | Jun 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | He seems like the MS PR agent from Slashdotr | Jun 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | He uses WIndows, pretend to use Linux | Jun 23 21:54 |
| lunchtime | but my family's concerns are a big deterant (sp?) | Jun 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | He attacks advocates of Linux very viciouslty | Jun 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft does do such thing, for a verifiable fact | Jun 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | And I tell them Slashdot told me this | Jun 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And they want to know who told me. | Jun 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Jun 23 21:55 |
| lunchtime | to be honest, i've been attacked plenty on Digg, I mostly just laugh, but it | Jun 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Probably so that they can then smear that person | Jun 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Or cause the person trouble | Jun 23 21:55 |
| lunchtime | makes me hesitate to put my real name out there | Jun 23 21:55 |
| lunchtime | ok...guess i need to think about this a bit more | Jun 23 21:56 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to fight spades with flowers :-) | Jun 23 21:56 |
| lunchtime | i see what you are saying, i just think the dangers are different for me than for you | Jun 23 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Which is why BN is not afraid to be more direct, almost confrontational, but always polite | Jun 23 21:56 |
| schestowitz | lunchtime: probably true | Jun 23 21:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux mainframe use grows http://ping.fm/VQ3RI | Jun 23 21:57 | |
| lunchtime | we'll talk more on this...gotta get back to work now | Jun 23 21:57 |
| lunchtime | later! :) | Jun 23 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. i enjoyed talking about it | Jun 23 21:57 |
| *schestowitz starts preparing some good daily news for BN | Jun 23 21:58 | |
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| trmanco | http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~nick/theora-soccer/ | Jun 23 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Ogg has never made SO many headlines. This is great publicity | Jun 23 22:17 |
| trmanco | http://eideard.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/reversing-windows-7-to-windows-xp-gets-yet-another-reprieve-again/ | Jun 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Old(ish) news. It's pathetic that they do this, isn't it? | Jun 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is actually TOLD what it must do. No pressure from Linux, eh? ;-) | Jun 23 22:34 |
| trmanco | there insane | Jun 23 22:35 |
| trmanco | they're | Jun 23 22:35 |
| trmanco | so, a person pays for Win7, but can actually go back to and 8 year old OS | Jun 23 22:36 |
| trmanco | it's just stupid | Jun 23 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's Microsoft. | Jun 23 22:38 |
| MinceR | they renamed "Business" to "Professional"? :) | Jun 23 22:45 |
| schestowitz | "Professional Edition"? | Jun 23 22:46 |
| MinceR | and they do it that way because it's the only way they can claim they've sold vista7 when the user really uses xp | Jun 23 22:46 |
| MinceR | something like that | Jun 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jun 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Jun 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Double-dipping | Jun 23 22:46 |
| MinceR | but does trmanco know? :> | Jun 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Two "Vista sales" = 0 Vista user, 1 XP user | Jun 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jun 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Windows Professional | Jun 23 22:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux is Everywhere, Despite Low Visibility http://ping.fm/vNp6j | Jun 23 22:47 | |
| trmanco | I knew they did that with Vidsuh | Jun 23 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Like ASM newbie, in reverse | Jun 23 22:47 |
| schestowitz | So what does "Professional" do? Multiple desktops? Seamless remove access with X-like layering? | Jun 23 22:48 |
| schestowitz | So what does a "Professional" user do? Runs Minesweeper *and* Solitaire all at the same time? :-D | Jun 23 22:48 |
| trmanco | http://tinyvid.tv/ | Jun 23 22:50 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, running two games will actually slow down or crash the OS :-P | Jun 23 22:51 |
| trmanco | if you don't have professional | Jun 23 22:51 |
| trmanco | :-p | Jun 23 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I think not | Jun 23 22:51 |
| schestowitz | It's the drivers' fault | Jun 23 22:51 |
| schestowitz | bad drivers | Jun 23 22:51 |
| trmanco | sure | Jun 23 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Vista is perfect | Jun 23 22:51 |
| trmanco | yeah, it ships with no drivers | Jun 23 22:51 |
| trmanco | almost no drivers* | Jun 23 22:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Phones Hit the Charts http://ping.fm/40hR0 , More 3G Models Coming Soon http://ping.fm/ktogn | Jun 23 22:52 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: not true | Jun 23 22:53 |
| schestowitz | The OEMs install WIndows | Jun 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Windows is easy to install; | Jun 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | It 'installs itself' | Jun 23 22:54 |
| trmanco | yeah it does | Jun 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Joe: Linux is hard to install | Jun 23 22:54 |
| trmanco | on one partition | Jun 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Jane: Windows too | Jun 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Joe: no, it's not. Never had trouble with it | Jun 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Jane: did you install it? | Jun 23 22:54 |
| trmanco | so, when windows craps out, just clean the HD and start all over again | Jun 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Joe: No, it just comes with it | Jun 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Jane: what? | Jun 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Joe: the computer | Jun 23 22:55 |
| trmanco | lol | Jun 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Joe: Computer=Windows | Jun 23 22:55 |
| trmanco | well put | Jun 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | It's "integrated" | Jun 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Same with Apple BTW | Jun 23 22:55 |
| trmanco | yeah, but I guess apple users are more tech savvy? | Jun 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Wealthier | Jun 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Apple is zeo, nada, zilch in most countries | Jun 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | *zero | Jun 23 22:56 |
| trmanco | most of them might know what the OS is and what the computer is | Jun 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | You'd have to import it or something... and pay premium, get no support, etc. | Jun 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: they know Jobs | Jun 23 22:56 |
| trmanco | I think Portugal has an apple store | Jun 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | And Windows users know Mother Tere... gates | Jun 23 22:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Palm's Linux-powered Phone Goes with "Open Source Portal" http://ping.fm/JeUez http://ping.fm/ejezg http://ping.fm/pkxTj | Jun 23 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | Portugal is developed | Jun 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | CHina probably has an "Affle Store" | Jun 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Not "Apple" | Jun 23 22:57 |
| trmanco | yeah, that's what the government says | Jun 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And it looks the same | Jun 23 22:57 |
| trmanco | Affle | Jun 23 22:58 |
| trmanco | more like Plum store | Jun 23 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Knockoffs | Jun 23 22:58 |
| schestowitz | They have some for iPods too | Jun 23 22:58 |
| trmanco | or strawberry store | Jun 23 22:58 |
| MinceR | only the look matters anyway | Jun 23 22:58 |
| trmanco | with iBerries | Jun 23 22:58 |
| MinceR | shiny crap with crApple logo | Jun 23 22:58 |
| trmanco | I have an ipod | Jun 23 22:58 |
| trmanco | and I can say that the earphones suck | Jun 23 22:59 |
| trmanco | ... | Jun 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | They harm the ears | Jun 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | They ones they deliver anyway | Jun 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I dumped these types after damage must have been done | Jun 23 22:59 |
| trmanco | my last pair of earphones are already broken, the speaker inside shakes making a buzzing sound | Jun 23 22:59 |
| MinceR | how do they harm the ears? | Jun 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | As times go by the headphone get worse, nto better | Jun 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Small and more intrusive | Jun 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | *dphones | Jun 23 23:00 |
| MinceR | oh, just from being in-ear earphones | Jun 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, and volume too | Jun 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | You can't go as high with other types | Jun 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | The press made lots of PR when Apple added a 'feature' to limit volume !! | Jun 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Pirillo went bonkers when they did this | Jun 23 23:00 |
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| trmanco | there actually is no apple store here | Jun 23 23:01 |
| MinceR | lucky people. | Jun 23 23:02 |
| MinceR | we have crApple stores, though probably not by that name but they're all decorated up with crApple symbols | Jun 23 23:03 |
| trmanco | yeah I know about that feature | Jun 23 23:03 |
| trmanco | MinceR, we have that too here | Jun 23 23:03 |
| MinceR | oh. | Jun 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, we have those too | Jun 23 23:03 |
| trmanco | but nothing from apple | Jun 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Not fashionable enough for some who buy fhe 'experience' | Jun 23 23:04 |
| trmanco | mac zone and fnac have apple products | Jun 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | It's more of an elitist club for the buyer. Very percetual | Jun 23 23:04 |
| trmanco | they are quite pricey | Jun 23 23:04 |
| MinceR | well, got to get something for all that money if they can't manage decent products :> | Jun 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | They have decent ones | Jun 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Decent | Jun 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | They do some stuff, unlike Vista | Jun 23 23:05 |
| trmanco | cups and webkit are examples | Jun 23 23:05 |
| MinceR | yes, they rip off FLOSS projects and some of the code remains unscrewed | Jun 23 23:06 |
| MinceR | and they bought the company that did cups | Jun 23 23:06 |
| trmanco | products that microsoft wishes to have something similar one day | Jun 23 23:06 |
| trmanco | they can never close the source because it's all gpl | Jun 23 23:06 |
| MinceR | they could stop releasing new versions under it | Jun 23 23:07 |
| MinceR | but so many distros use it someone would just fork it | Jun 23 23:07 |
| trmanco | mac's kernel is remains open I think | Jun 23 23:07 |
| trmanco | -is | Jun 23 23:07 |
| MinceR | well, i don't know what Mach was licensed under | Jun 23 23:07 |
| MinceR | the bsd parts are obviously bsdl | Jun 23 23:07 |
| trmanco | I'm talking Darwin | Jun 23 23:07 |
| MinceR | i know | Jun 23 23:07 |
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| MinceR | but darwin is derived from freebsd and mach, iirc | Jun 23 23:08 |
| trmanco | yeah it is | Jun 23 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | Apple are a bunch of thieves | Jun 23 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | like MS | Jun 23 23:08 |
| MinceR | liars too | Jun 23 23:08 |
| MinceR | proponents of DRM and sw patents | Jun 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | DMCA | Jun 23 23:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Expert Explains Why Free Software Can be More Secure Than Non-Free Counterparts http://ping.fm/YoYSY | Jun 23 23:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox 3.5 RC Reviewed http://ping.fm/viR3Z | Jun 23 23:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Business Around Free Software is Going Strong http://ping.fm/lHVkT http://ping.fm/JLkfX | Jun 23 23:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Well,UbuntuSE is certainly different,however its simply 8.04 with a new theme..if you forget boot-up time though, I find it faster than 9.04 | Jun 23 23:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Flax likes open source technologies because he considers them cost-effective and mature." http://ping.fm/DWkJZ | Jun 23 23:22 | |
| _Hicham_ | we a schestowitz-based distro | Jun 23 23:25 |
| _Hicham_ | we need a schestowitz-based distro | Jun 23 23:25 |
| trmanco | lol | Jun 23 23:26 |
| *schestowitz powered WIndows CE 6 | Jun 23 23:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Makes its Impact on Mechanics http://ping.fm/pO5DZ http://ping.fm/Dp0iL http://ping.fm/M4wt9 | Jun 23 23:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments Increasingly Pressured to Embrace Free Software Rather Than 'Rent' from Abroad http://ping.fm/veN6D http://ping.fm/dWf8k | Jun 23 23:27 | |
| _Hicham_ | UbuntuSE is infringing trademarks law | Jun 23 23:27 |
| schestowitz | UbunSuSE | Jun 23 23:28 |
| trmanco | uh oh | Jun 23 23:28 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jun 23 23:28 |
| trmanco | you are going to crash pretty soon | Jun 23 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu: African word | Jun 23 23:28 |
| *trmanco makes a virus in vbscript | Jun 23 23:28 | |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu: restaurant name | Jun 23 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu: Boston's motto for the basketball team | Jun 23 23:28 |
| trmanco | lol | Jun 23 23:29 |
| MinceR | Ubuntu: ancient African word meaning "I can't configure Slackware" | Jun 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu: trademark zealotry? | Jun 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "can't install Debian" | Jun 23 23:29 |
| MinceR | that too | Jun 23 23:29 |
| trmanco | Ubuntu: ancient African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me" | Jun 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Or: | Jun 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | "Not enough blobs" | Jun 23 23:29 |
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| trmanco | :-p | Jun 23 23:29 |
| greenhorn | utnubu | Jun 23 23:29 |
| MinceR | well, maybe they want to monetize the brand they've built | Jun 23 23:29 |
| trmanco | hehe | Jun 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Ubunut? | Jun 23 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | Slackware is Linux | Jun 23 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | Slackware=Linux | Jun 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | It's Patrick | Jun 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | His helpers moved on | Jun 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | He maintains it alone now | Jun 23 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | Slackware runs no patches | Jun 23 23:30 |
| trmanco | no, slackware==GNU/Linux :-P | Jun 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | A pache Slackware | Jun 23 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | Patrick is a great dev | Jun 23 23:30 |
| trmanco | pache? | Jun 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jun 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | A patchy Servr | Jun 23 23:30 |
| trmanco | :| | Jun 23 23:31 |
| _Hicham_ | it is 100% vanilla | Jun 23 23:31 |
| _Hicham_ | everything is Vanilla | Jun 23 23:31 |
| schestowitz | And mocha | Jun 23 23:31 |
| trmanco | and cream? no :-P | Jun 23 23:31 |
| _Hicham_ | too bad he dropped gnome support | Jun 23 23:31 |
| trmanco | it's only kde based? | Jun 23 23:31 |
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| trmanco | _Hicham_, have you tried slackware? | Jun 23 23:32 |
| trmanco | I wonder if it has someking of a package manager to track the tar.gz's | Jun 23 23:32 |
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| trmanco | some kind* | Jun 23 23:32 |
| _goblin | Hi all! | Jun 23 23:32 |
| trmanco | hello | Jun 23 23:32 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : there is slapt | Jun 23 23:32 |
| _Hicham_ | apt for slackware | Jun 23 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Hey, gob | Jun 23 23:33 |
| _goblin | Day 2: of running my own lame distro....hate to say it, but its much better than any other the others | Jun 23 23:33 |
| trmanco | I see | Jun 23 23:33 |
| trmanco | own distro | Jun 23 23:33 |
| trmanco | you can use Gentto for that | Jun 23 23:33 |
| _goblin | Deep Red Linux | Jun 23 23:33 |
| trmanco | Gentoo* | Jun 23 23:33 |
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| MinceR | or LFS | Jun 23 23:33 |
| _goblin | As I say it a lame distro... | Jun 23 23:34 |
| _goblin | derived from Heron. | Jun 23 23:34 |
| _Hicham_ | Gentoo has a different approach | Jun 23 23:34 |
| _Hicham_ | compile everything | Jun 23 23:34 |
| _Hicham_ | I hate compiling big programs | Jun 23 23:34 |
| trmanco | source based | Jun 23 23:34 |
| _goblin | cut down more savagely than CBL | Jun 23 23:34 |
| _goblin | the only reason I have it is because of a massive systems failure on my Gentoo Rig. | Jun 23 23:35 |
| trmanco | wow | Jun 23 23:35 |
| trmanco | Gentoo failed? | Jun 23 23:35 |
| trmanco | hehe | Jun 23 23:35 |
| _goblin | not gentoo's fault.. | Jun 23 23:35 |
| _goblin | hard drive failure.... | Jun 23 23:35 |
| trmanco | it's easy to screw up | Jun 23 23:35 |
| trmanco | oh | Jun 23 23:35 |
| _goblin | needed to have a PC running quickly... | Jun 23 23:35 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : it is about time | Jun 23 23:35 |
| _Hicham_ | not failing | Jun 23 23:35 |
| _goblin | opted to make my own lame distro just for the week, Ill sort it out properly at the weekend. | Jun 23 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | I hate to waite 6 hours for a program to compile | Jun 23 23:36 |
| trmanco | 6 hours? like what? | Jun 23 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | the US is killing people in Iran | Jun 23 23:36 |
| _goblin | but of course my DRL is much better than anything else ;) | Jun 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Ryan attack Ubuntu from his blog | Jun 23 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | pretending that is the Iranian Administration | Jun 23 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | I really hate the US tactics | Jun 23 23:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New York State Embraces "Open Source" http://ping.fm/icIbq and So Does the CIA http://ping.fm/RHOcE | Jun 23 23:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Signs of Federal and Medical Embrace of Free Software http://ping.fm/CbvSW http://ping.fm/0Mrxz | Jun 23 23:37 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you think it's a coup? | Jun 23 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Jun 23 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the US who killed Nada | Jun 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Any source? | Jun 23 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | the Young Student | Jun 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | The girl? | Jun 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I saw the pictures | Jun 23 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Jun 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | It was in the Guardian | Jun 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | RMS wrote about it | Jun 23 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | it is evident | Jun 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | But RMS said it was the Shah | Jun 23 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | since when the police shot people from the roofs? | Jun 23 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | RMS said it was the Shah? | Jun 23 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I remember wrognly | Jun 23 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Go to Stallman.org | Jun 23 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | he is not seeing things clearly | Jun 23 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | the US is playing a dirty game in there | Jun 23 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | it is obvious | Jun 23 23:40 |
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| _Hicham_ | the US Mass Media is doing its job again | Jun 23 23:41 |
| schestowitz | British too? | Jun 23 23:41 |
| schestowitz | But show me evidence | Jun 23 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Was there any evidence in 1953? | Jun 23 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Or was it produced later? | Jun 23 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | there gonna be evidence after | Jun 23 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | 1953? | Jun 23 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Like when transparency rules kicked in. | Jun 23 23:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] China Wants Free Software http://ping.fm/yTXpj , So Does Brazil http://ping.fm/wXzNE | Jun 23 23:42 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, when they overthrew the regime | Jun 23 23:42 |
| schestowitz | For Britian to control Iranian oil | Jun 23 23:42 |
| schestowitz | *tain | Jun 23 23:42 |
| yuhong | BTW, here is a good page to point to. | Jun 23 23:42 |
| yuhong | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html | Jun 23 23:42 |
| _Hicham_ | i see what happened to Iraq happening to Iran | Jun 23 23:44 |
| _Hicham_ | the same process | Jun 23 23:44 |
| yuhong | It talks about some words that can cause confusion, including both "intellectual property" and "commercial'. | Jun 23 23:44 |
| yuhong | Some of which was discussed on Boycott Novell. | Jun 23 23:44 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : tell me why youtube deleted any palestinian stuff related during the last raids? | Jun 23 23:45 |
| MinceR | it was the wish of the highest bidder, wasn't it? | Jun 23 23:45 |
| yuhong | Evidence please. | Jun 23 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | there was even a funny thing about Google Translation tool | Jun 23 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I don't know about that | Jun 23 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I still look for facts | Jun 23 23:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness Spreads to Other Fields Like Dendrochronology and Water Quality http://ping.fm/WXyTb http://ping.fm/Z6vrb | Jun 23 23:47 | |
| _Hicham_ | I tried to translate the phrase : "Shit on Israel" from and back to french | Jun 23 23:47 |
| schestowitz | None of the PR and junk like "innovation" with spin. | Jun 23 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | and guess what I had as a result? "I have nothing to say about Israel" | Jun 23 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | corruption is everywhere | Jun 23 23:48 |
| _Hicham_ | the western regime is not any cleaner than the eastern one | Jun 23 23:48 |
| schestowitz | What's wrong with the east? | Jun 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | China? Indonesia? Australia? | Jun 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | It's not about hemispheres | Jun 23 23:50 |
| schestowitz | One person's "censorship" is another person "lovable nanny" | Jun 23 23:50 |
| schestowitz | It is also not a national issue. Nations are not always zombies. Many Americans protest. | Jun 23 23:51 |
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| yuhong | BTW, here is a good page to point to. | Jun 23 23:53 |
| yuhong | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html | Jun 23 23:53 |
| yuhong | Some of which was discussed on Boycott Novell. | Jun 23 23:53 |
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| MinceR | endless loop? :> | Jun 23 23:53 |
| schestowitz | I think | Jun 23 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Met the exist condition on that Slashdot thread | Jun 23 23:54 |
| schestowitz | *exit | Jun 23 23:54 |
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| _Hicham_1 | schestowitz : the western countries pretend that the eastern one are corrupted | Jun 23 23:55 |
| MinceR | pretend? there's no need to pretend | Jun 23 23:55 |
| _Hicham_1 | well, corruption is everywhere | Jun 23 23:56 |
| _Hicham_1 | in the east and the west | Jun 23 23:56 |
| _Hicham_1 | the north and the south | Jun 23 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's not east and west | Jun 23 23:58 |
| schestowitz | It's distribution of beliefs and modes of living | Jun 23 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Like... look at distribution of religions | Jun 23 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I love those maps! | Jun 23 23:58 |
| schestowitz | So the truth depends on countries | Jun 23 23:58 |
| schestowitz | They are all correct, but each nation is correct with its own story of creation | Jun 23 23:59 |
| _Hicham_1 | there is two categories of religions | Jun 23 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Everyone is happy, everyone is right, and believe depends solely on where you are born :-) | Jun 23 23:59 |
| schestowitz | *belief | Jun 23 23:59 |
| _Hicham_1 | the ones with a sacred book | Jun 23 23:59 |
| _Hicham_1 | and the ones without | Jun 23 23:59 |
| _Hicham_1 | the ones with a sacred book are all the same | Jun 23 23:59 |
| schestowitz | But the stories (mythology) differs | Jun 23 23:59 |
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