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| ale-x | hello! | Jul 06 09:27 |
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| amarsh04 | hi ale-x | Jul 06 09:28 |
| ale-x | just a small question, because you seem to be very sceptical about Mono (if I understood correctly) | Jul 06 09:44 |
| ale-x | is there some decent replacement for gnome-do in the works? | Jul 06 09:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] ministryofdeals stuff arrived. 256MB MP3 and speaker-case, free gift a surplus CD-ROM. batteries expired 2008-04 ;-) worth a 4 quid punt :-) | Jul 06 11:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Facebook group: Steven Fielding Is Not Real http://bit.ly/VkHsf | Jul 06 11:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Been sitting here online for an hour now trying to gather the energy to get off the couch, walk five steps to the kitchen and make coffee. | Jul 06 11:38 | |
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| jose_X | schestowitz and bn were mentioned here http://opensource.org/node/445 | Jul 06 11:57 |
| jose_X | >> On the alarm front, I heard specific confirmation of a storyline I've been following, which is that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is basically telling governments: if you want contributions/investments from us, then you'll give Microsoft cabinet-level access to inform policy, and you'll use Microsoft products. | Jul 06 11:57 |
| jose_X | >> .. It is similar to another story line reported by Roy [Schestowitz]. | Jul 06 11:57 |
| trmanco | jose_X, schestowitz is not here | Jul 06 12:02 |
| trmanco | he will be back in a few days, I think | Jul 06 12:02 |
| jose_X | has he been gone long? the site news is a little old so i figured ... | Jul 06 12:02 |
| jose_X | ok | Jul 06 12:02 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jul 06 12:03 |
| trmanco | since the 1st of july | Jul 06 12:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Commission pushes for software patents in standards: http://bit.ly/jQf7I | Jul 06 12:48 | |
| trmanco | http://np237.livejournal.com/24790.html | Jul 06 12:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] New EPO book about swpats "Stratford clarified the often misunderstood and misreported practice of the EPO with regard to CII" bit.ly/BZzPC | Jul 06 13:33 | |
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| trmanco | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/06/livejournal-debian-fail/ | Jul 06 14:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] nice ubuntu netbook at morgan £170 http://bit.ly/TKfn8 | Jul 06 14:18 | |
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| mrguser | Hello | Jul 06 14:42 |
| mrguser | About mono look at comment 37 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7557217&postcount=27 | Jul 06 14:43 |
| mrguser | The person seems to be well informed | Jul 06 14:44 |
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| oiaohm | Bigger worry is why is mono slowly changing to a MIT licence that does not provide any patent protections. | Jul 06 14:55 |
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| mrguser | And look how many people are working on banshee | Jul 06 15:02 |
| mrguser | 30, or so | Jul 06 15:02 |
| mrguser | and people report it still freeze/takes much time loading 10 000 songs | Jul 06 15:03 |
| mrguser | They have money and infrastructure to focus on selected areas/apps, assign many human resources and push mono into distros | Jul 06 15:06 |
| mrguser | we are distracted | Jul 06 15:06 |
| mrguser | and there is no ms money behind us | Jul 06 15:07 |
| mrguser | we are like guerrillas/partisans (yes, we don't aprove violence) | Jul 06 15:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks UK charity Novas Scarman goes after WikiLeaks to suppress corruption report http://bit.ly/ma6Ca | Jul 06 15:18 | |
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| _Goblin | hi all | Jul 06 15:21 |
| _Goblin | just giving Fedora 11 a run on my other machine... | Jul 06 15:21 |
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| mrguser | hi goblin | Jul 06 15:27 |
| _Goblin | hi | Jul 06 15:29 |
| _Goblin | sorry afk | Jul 06 15:29 |
| _Goblin | why does everyone rave about Bittorrent? | Jul 06 15:30 |
| _Goblin | 290k per sec on my fedora d/l | Jul 06 15:30 |
| _Goblin | if I get it from FTP I can get at least 380k | Jul 06 15:31 |
| _Goblin | and Im not even uploading it to anyone... | Jul 06 15:31 |
| _Goblin | 38 peers - 292k per sec now... | Jul 06 15:31 |
| _Goblin | talk about slow.. | Jul 06 15:31 |
| jose_X | bittorent is great for taking pressure off a main server or if you don't really have a main server. So bittorrent is great if your other option is not working. | Jul 06 15:36 |
| ThistleWeb | that's in completive mode, where each bit is pondered, and examined before being stored, perfection can't be rushed ya know | Jul 06 15:36 |
| ThistleWeb | contemplation mode even | Jul 06 15:37 |
| ThistleWeb | hmm, that still dont look right, lol | Jul 06 15:37 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jul 06 15:41 |
| _Goblin | stuff the net....lets go back to the BBS. | Jul 06 15:42 |
| _Goblin | ah...its just finished...now to burn the 64bit ver... | Jul 06 15:42 |
| _Goblin | remember the days when burning a CD meant that you couldnt do anything else on your machine for fear of messing it up? | Jul 06 15:43 |
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| _Goblin | hello wallclimber | Jul 06 15:47 |
| wallclimber | Good morning! | Jul 06 15:47 |
| _Goblin | for some... | Jul 06 15:47 |
| _Goblin | afternoon here. | Jul 06 15:47 |
| wallclimber | well, sometimes my afternoons are mornings if i worked all night :) | Jul 06 15:48 |
| _Goblin | been there...hearing you on FM. | Jul 06 15:48 |
| wallclimber | me? FM? | Jul 06 15:49 |
| _Goblin | its a term meaning....I am hearing you loud and clear.... | Jul 06 15:51 |
| _Goblin | agreement so to speak | Jul 06 15:51 |
| wallclimber | I'll remember that, I like the term | Jul 06 15:52 |
| _Goblin | :) | Jul 06 15:52 |
| wallclimber | i am downloading some live cds this morning, trying to have a nice selection to show a friend later today | Jul 06 15:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ReactOS 0.3.1 was released yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/n4ukvz | Jul 06 15:53 | |
| wallclimber | i don't know yet what the hardware will be on the computer they are bringing | Jul 06 15:53 |
| wallclimber | i always worry about older computers, it's the one area i've had problems finding a system that works | Jul 06 15:55 |
| wallclimber | i've tried reactos before, but it's been a while...will download it now | Jul 06 15:55 |
| wallclimber | i also have xubuntu, moonos, and puppy. i like to have an assortment for people to try out | Jul 06 15:56 |
| wallclimber | though too many choices sometimes feels stressful for windows users | Jul 06 15:57 |
| wallclimber | hmmm...sorry, i'm chattering too much | Jul 06 15:57 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd try to have a variety of WM / DE to show | Jul 06 15:58 |
| ThistleWeb | like one kde, one gnome, one xfce, one fluxbox etc from live mode | Jul 06 15:58 |
| ThistleWeb | the lighter the better too if you dont know the hardware it's gonna be demonstrated on, the last thing you want is for everything to be kinda heavy and the live demo to look like its swimming in toffee | Jul 06 16:00 |
| ThistleWeb | wolvix cub will fly much faster than xubuntu and still demonstrate xfce (as it should be) | Jul 06 16:00 |
| wallclimber | Thistleweb, I agree. One of the most uncomfortable experiences i had was starting up | Jul 06 16:01 |
| ThistleWeb | crunchbang is a great example of openbox | Jul 06 16:01 |
| wallclimber | a live Ubuntu cd (this was at least 2 years ago) on my sister's sony desktop | Jul 06 16:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I always tell them ,it's running from the CD, so it WILL be faster if it's installed, bare that in mind when you see it | Jul 06 16:02 |
| _Goblin | Ill go with Thistleweb. Crunchbang is very good.... | Jul 06 16:02 |
| wallclimber | wolvix? I'm looking for it now...never heard of it | Jul 06 16:02 |
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| ThistleWeb | wolvix is incredible | Jul 06 16:02 |
| ThistleWeb | it comes in 2 versions, the main one and the lighter cub | Jul 06 16:03 |
| ThistleWeb | its slackware based | Jul 06 16:03 |
| _Goblin | how to make friends and influence people: Install Zenwalk for him. | Jul 06 16:03 |
| wallclimber | I love crunchbang, it's always on my list | Jul 06 16:03 |
| ThistleWeb | and a VERY nice xfce | Jul 06 16:03 |
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| ThistleWeb | it's a tad odd though, wolvix boots into root user mode with "root" "toor" as the user / pass | Jul 06 16:04 |
| ThistleWeb | if they see a variety of DE /WM and find one they like enough to want you to install it, then look at other distros which are better suited with that DE / WM as the default | Jul 06 16:06 |
| _Goblin | hey wolvix....looks similar to GEM desktop from all those years ago... | Jul 06 16:07 |
| wallclimber | I've been reading the wolvix page...downloading it now | Jul 06 16:07 |
| ThistleWeb | cub or full? | Jul 06 16:07 |
| wallclimber | both | Jul 06 16:07 |
| ThistleWeb | k | Jul 06 16:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I aint tried the full one | Jul 06 16:07 |
| ThistleWeb | but cub flies | Jul 06 16:07 |
| wallclimber | thanks! :) | Jul 06 16:08 |
| ThistleWeb | np | Jul 06 16:08 |
| ThistleWeb | the prob with some lighter WM's is the amount of manual stuff you need to do, Windows users don't tend to like that | Jul 06 16:08 |
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| ThistleWeb | many like stuff done for them | Jul 06 16:08 |
| ThistleWeb | simple things like when you install an app, it adds itself to the menu without your intervention | Jul 06 16:09 |
| ThistleWeb | or mounting a cd / dvd when it's inserted | Jul 06 16:09 |
| ThistleWeb | they take that automation for granted | Jul 06 16:09 |
| ThistleWeb | so beware getting them onto a WM / distro without that level of automation, the novelty may wear off quickly | Jul 06 16:10 |
| ThistleWeb | at that point they're likely starting to have a negative impression of ALL linux | Jul 06 16:10 |
| ThistleWeb | that it can't do the basic things | Jul 06 16:10 |
| ThistleWeb | I find xfce a good balance for new peeps on older hardware, or gnome / kde if their hardware can take it | Jul 06 16:11 |
| ThistleWeb | as well as bookmarking linuxreality and encouraging them to download and listen to each episode in their own time to get more of an overall idea what Linux is, and what otrher options are out there for them to explore if they wish, after they get settled in | Jul 06 16:12 |
| neighborlee | its not just windows people..I can do anything, any other geek can basically, but that doesn't mean I dont enjoy 'some' hand holding to avoid hastles. | Jul 06 16:13 |
| ThistleWeb | neighborlee: exactly, just because you can, does not mean you should have to | Jul 06 16:13 |
| neighborlee | and I also dont get the enthusiams over slackware..last I knew it doesnt come stock with a package manager | Jul 06 16:13 |
| ThistleWeb | the more manual fine-grained control WMs are great if you choose them | Jul 06 16:13 |
| neighborlee | right | Jul 06 16:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I never managed to get slackware installed, but the slackware based distros I tried come with slapt-get | Jul 06 16:14 |
| ThistleWeb | which is basicly apt-get for slackware | Jul 06 16:14 |
| ThistleWeb | wolvix uses that | Jul 06 16:14 |
| neighborlee | kde is a nice option as it is as complicated as you need , though not so much for older machines..but at least it doesnt' dumb things down like gnome did/does | Jul 06 16:14 |
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| neighborlee | alt-f2 is a great example of that | Jul 06 16:15 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, the dumbing down argument is a funny one. On one hand it does feel easier as it does not overwhelm you with options | Jul 06 16:15 |
| ThistleWeb | KDE can do that | Jul 06 16:15 |
| wallclimber | i am stunningly ignorant when it comes to computers. so i have to be VERY careful not to get my friends into a situation that i can't help them with | Jul 06 16:16 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, I meant that in gnome there is typically n o 'runas root' option there | Jul 06 16:16 |
| ThistleWeb | in that case, try to get them onto a distro with a BIG community base for help and support | Jul 06 16:16 |
| ThistleWeb | anything ubuntu based should do that | Jul 06 16:16 |
| ThistleWeb | either one of the buntu's, mint, crunchbang etc | Jul 06 16:17 |
| neighborlee | luckily I have very high tech friends, so I can steer them clear of anything ubuntu LOL | Jul 06 16:17 |
| ThistleWeb | that way when they seek help or tutorials, ubuntu solutions will work too | Jul 06 16:17 |
| ThistleWeb | the more obscure the distro, the less peeps available to help when you ned it | Jul 06 16:18 |
| ThistleWeb | of course, the other way is to tell them "use what I use, that way I'll be able to replicate your problem and find a fix" until you get the hang of Linux and how to blaze your own path | Jul 06 16:19 |
| wallclimber | well...first thing of importance is that i don't help anyone that isn't ready to learn something new. i don't hide my own ignorance from them, so they know they'll need to do some work too | Jul 06 16:19 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, it's always better to be honest about things | Jul 06 16:20 |
| neighborlee | well imo, if we are to take advantage of vista woe ( which means linux on equal footing at least ), we need something that is at least as good to avoid that pit of well , linux is worse so lets stay put.... | Jul 06 16:20 |
| wallclimber | also, i have had mixed experiences with forums and such | Jul 06 16:21 |
| zer0c00l | India: Nasscom (microsoft puppet) is trying to ruin open standard adoption? http://osindia.blogspot.com/2009/07/last-minute-dramas-around-around-open.html | Jul 06 16:21 |
| ThistleWeb | introduce them to irc | Jul 06 16:22 |
| ThistleWeb | the bigger the community, the more chance there is help there 24/7 regardless of the timezones | Jul 06 16:22 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, which is why linux being split as it is, is not as helpful as some think it might be ;) | Jul 06 16:23 |
| wallclimber | well...i don't know how to explain this, but for the group of people that i help with computers, irc is probably not an option | Jul 06 16:23 |
| neighborlee | bigger #'s , always mean bigger help and that leads to MUCH higher QA | Jul 06 16:23 |
| ThistleWeb | irc is the backup option, when they cant get you | Jul 06 16:23 |
| ThistleWeb | they at least know its there | Jul 06 16:23 |
| wallclimber | yes, maybe so | Jul 06 16:24 |
| wallclimber | but to be honest, this is the first irc chat i've been able to use | Jul 06 16:25 |
| ThistleWeb | as much as I dont use ubuntu, I respect that it's the poster child and the train leading the charge, so I support it for that | Jul 06 16:25 |
| ThistleWeb | too much choice can be very confusing to potential new peeps | Jul 06 16:25 |
| wallclimber | i tried an irc client a while back, and it wasn't hard to install or use, but it was horrible to read. the text was full of odd characters and scrambled | Jul 06 16:26 |
| ThistleWeb | specially when one distro can be made to look almost identical to any other with a change of DE / WM and theme | Jul 06 16:26 |
| wallclimber | i have no idea why...and i uninstalled it immediately | Jul 06 16:26 |
| ThistleWeb | wallclimber: that's a new one on me, maybe it was set somehow to the webdings font | Jul 06 16:27 |
| _Goblin | I always recommend IRSSI, simple, clean and small. | Jul 06 16:27 |
| wallclimber | well, now i wish i had taken a screenshot...i don't remember even what the name was | Jul 06 16:28 |
| _Goblin | wallclimber: What made you visit Boycott Novell chat? | Jul 06 16:28 |
| wallclimber | because i was curious | Jul 06 16:29 |
| ThistleWeb | curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was the suspect | Jul 06 16:29 |
| MinceR | curiosity keeps the cat fed. | Jul 06 16:30 |
| ThistleWeb | BN is a fun place, we gather here to call each other trolls ;) | Jul 06 16:30 |
| wallclimber | and i used to just read the irc logs, but sometimes i'd get so peeved at some of the comments i decided i needed to visit in person | Jul 06 16:30 |
| wallclimber | so i could speak up too :) | Jul 06 16:31 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: no we don't, you troll. ;) | Jul 06 16:31 |
| ThistleWeb | why not? the more the merrier lol | Jul 06 16:31 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: why ty deary | Jul 06 16:31 |
| wallclimber | btw, the first cat i ever had was named "Curiousity" | Jul 06 16:32 |
| wallclimber | she was run over by a truck | Jul 06 16:33 |
| wallclimber | very sad | Jul 06 16:33 |
| ThistleWeb | I suppose it was a better fate than Shrodegers | Jul 06 16:33 |
| wallclimber | lol | Jul 06 16:33 |
| _Goblin | anyone know when Roy is back? | Jul 06 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | probs spelt it wrong, but as long as the joke got through | Jul 06 16:34 |
| wallclimber | thanks for the chat and the advice and helpful ideas, i'd better get busy | Jul 06 16:34 |
| _Goblin | take care... | Jul 06 16:34 |
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| wallclimber | much to do, wolvix is slow downloading (torrent) it may take 3 hours, moonos is almost finished. i have 6 interesting live cds, so we'll have fun trying them out later | Jul 06 16:36 |
| _Goblin | lol I'm dling that too! | Jul 06 16:36 |
| _Goblin | I'm getting 160k per sec | Jul 06 16:36 |
| _Goblin | the torrent was about 1k I gave up, | Jul 06 16:37 |
| _Goblin | only 1 seeder | Jul 06 16:37 |
| wallclimber | goblin, which one? moon or wolvix? | Jul 06 16:37 |
| _Goblin | volvix | Jul 06 16:37 |
| _Goblin | beta2 | Jul 06 16:37 |
| wallclimber | i'm dling the cub, couldn't get the main version to | Jul 06 16:38 |
| wallclimber | dl fast enough | Jul 06 16:38 |
| _Goblin | Im also giving fedora 11 64bit a run on my other machine | Jul 06 16:38 |
| wallclimber | bye for now! :) | Jul 06 16:39 |
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| _Goblin | bye! | Jul 06 16:39 |
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| neighborlee | _Goblin, im using fedora 11 64bit atm too ..so far decent.,,kde is kinda buggy here (4.2.4) and pulse still needs help ;) | Jul 06 16:48 |
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| _Goblin | damn... | Jul 06 16:58 |
| _Goblin | I missed neighborlee. | Jul 06 16:58 |
| _Goblin | I really need to set my afk so as to not look rude. | Jul 06 16:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh dear Lord, Senator Fielding really is a complete moron http://is.gd/1oXuI | Jul 06 17:28 | |
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| wallclimber | just dropped in to leave a link. I just finished reading this and found it funny: | Jul 06 17:37 |
| wallclimber | http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/06/29/hp-proves-you-can-make-desktop-worse/ | Jul 06 17:37 |
| wallclimber | ok, back to work for me :) | Jul 06 17:37 |
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| _Goblin_ | having some difficulty getting Wolvix on my 64bit... | Jul 06 18:41 |
| _Goblin_ | Fedora 11 64bit version is far too unstable and buggy. I also apparently doesnt like updates | Jul 06 18:42 |
| _Goblin_ | last attempt for Wolvix.... | Jul 06 18:44 |
| _Hicham_ | what is Wolvix? | Jul 06 18:45 |
| _Goblin_ | a slackware based distro | Jul 06 18:46 |
| _Goblin_ | seems quite interesting... | Jul 06 18:46 |
| _Hicham_ | which distro are u on now ? | Jul 06 18:48 |
| _Goblin_ | Gentoo is my main rig, I distro hop on the second rig on my desk | Jul 06 18:48 |
| _Hicham_ | so u like to compile things by urself ? | Jul 06 18:49 |
| _Goblin_ | yeah, I suppose so... | Jul 06 18:49 |
| _Goblin_ | I think I use Gentoo more because of its speed.... | Jul 06 18:50 |
| _Goblin_ | oh..... | Jul 06 18:50 |
| _Goblin_ | btw Wolvix, epic fail. | Jul 06 18:50 |
| _Goblin_ | I admit it, its beaten me.... | Jul 06 18:50 |
| _Hicham_ | did u try wolvix? | Jul 06 18:50 |
| _Goblin_ | wont install. | Jul 06 18:50 |
| _Goblin_ | yeah I tried it (livecd) | Jul 06 18:51 |
| _Goblin_ | installation....its just not having it. | Jul 06 18:51 |
| _Goblin_ | shame | Jul 06 18:51 |
| _Goblin_ | I do like Xfce | Jul 06 18:53 |
| _Hicham_ | it must like debian, no install through live cd | Jul 06 18:55 |
| _Goblin_ | I do think though my 64bit system doesnt help much.....its a rather unreliable machine... | Jul 06 18:56 |
| _Goblin_ | thats why its a second rig. | Jul 06 18:56 |
| _Goblin_ | Looking at Wolvix though, it suffers from a severe case of bloated distro.....Liferea & Thunderbird? Whats the point? Xchat and IRSSI? the list goes on... | Jul 06 19:00 |
| MinceR | liferea and thunderbird both do things the other can't | Jul 06 19:00 |
| _Goblin_ | as in? | Jul 06 19:01 |
| MinceR | iirc thunderbird can't nest feed folders and show everything in the subfolders of a given folder | Jul 06 19:01 |
| trmanco | thunderbird is no good at feed reading | Jul 06 19:01 |
| _Hicham_ | feed reading ? firefox can do it very well | Jul 06 19:02 |
| _Goblin_ | ah...not a feature I deem as important since its an all in one for email and newsgroups aswell...I havent had the performance issues of others with Thunderbird, so its my package of choice. | Jul 06 19:02 |
| MinceR | also, many people won't touch a text-ui irc client while many people won't touch a GUI irc client :> | Jul 06 19:02 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: not really | Jul 06 19:02 |
| trmanco | Firefox cuts the posts | Jul 06 19:02 |
| MinceR | i've had performance issues with all feed readers | Jul 06 19:02 |
| MinceR | so i'm using feed2imap and a mail client now | Jul 06 19:02 |
| trmanco | :> | Jul 06 19:03 |
| _Goblin_ | now if only Thunderbird could have a binaries grabber....I could get rid of Klibido. | Jul 06 19:03 |
| MinceR | but i think i'll try other feed->mail gateways | Jul 06 19:03 |
| _Hicham_ | Evolution can't do feed reading? | Jul 06 19:04 |
| _Goblin_ | Can't remember....its been a while since I used it... | Jul 06 19:07 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR is a big lover of Evolution | Jul 06 19:09 |
| MinceR | not really | Jul 06 19:09 |
| _Goblin_ | I can't remember why I got rid..... | Jul 06 19:09 |
| MinceR | but i'm not sure if it can do feed reading anyway | Jul 06 19:09 |
| _Goblin_ | no newsgroup access? | Jul 06 19:09 |
| MinceR | that's a different kind of application | Jul 06 19:09 |
| _Goblin_ | not binaries... | Jul 06 19:10 |
| MinceR | unless you know of an rss/atom--nntp gateway | Jul 06 19:10 |
| _Goblin_ | heres a question for you all...... | Jul 06 19:12 |
| _Goblin_ | how long has it been since you used a 3.5" floppy? | Jul 06 19:12 |
| _Goblin_ | for me, I'd have to guess and say 1999ish | Jul 06 19:13 |
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| trmanco | I still used floppies in 2003-2004 | Jul 06 19:15 |
| trmanco | until* | Jul 06 19:15 |
| trmanco | :| | Jul 06 19:15 |
| trmanco | I used floppies until 2003-2004* | Jul 06 19:15 |
| _Goblin_ | I say 1999ish, since I had a CD writer at home around 1997??I think... | Jul 06 19:15 |
| _Goblin_ | why so late? | Jul 06 19:16 |
| trmanco | school stuff | Jul 06 19:16 |
| _Goblin_ | I ask, because I am returning to floppies (albeit A500 emu) Ive just installed a Catweasel... | Jul 06 19:17 |
| MinceR | probably a few years ago when i booted a livecd on an old machine | Jul 06 19:17 |
| trmanco | and I was still new to computers | Jul 06 19:17 |
| MinceR | (via SBM) | Jul 06 19:17 |
| _Goblin_ | when you think about it, the 3.5" did quite well for a medium.... | Jul 06 19:17 |
| _Goblin_ | I was using them in 89 and if people here had em up to 2004ish then thats not a bad life. | Jul 06 19:18 |
| _Goblin_ | moving on.... | Jul 06 19:20 |
| _Goblin_ | when was the last time you ran the only decent MS program (that being Debug) | Jul 06 19:20 |
| trmanco | what do you mean? | Jul 06 19:21 |
| MinceR | at least 5 years ago, i'd say | Jul 06 19:21 |
| MinceR | more like a decade | Jul 06 19:21 |
| _Goblin_ | ah...the memories.... | Jul 06 19:21 |
| _Goblin_ | Mincer, I presume you are around the same age as me...35? | Jul 06 19:21 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 06 19:21 |
| _Goblin_ | is that nope, younger or nope older? | Jul 06 19:22 |
| MinceR | i'm 26 | Jul 06 19:22 |
| _Goblin_ | ah.... | Jul 06 19:22 |
| MinceR | (had to calculate) | Jul 06 19:22 |
| _Goblin_ | it must be nieghbourlee who is around my age... | Jul 06 19:22 |
| _Hicham_ | I am as old as MinceR | Jul 06 19:23 |
| trmanco | MinceR, are you sure that's in Decimal? :-P | Jul 06 19:23 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR: u r my age mate | Jul 06 19:23 |
| MinceR | that i won't tell ;) | Jul 06 19:23 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 06 19:23 |
| trmanco | :-P | Jul 06 19:23 |
| _Goblin_ | once you break 20, there is no hope anyway..... | Jul 06 19:23 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco seems to be like 60 years old | Jul 06 19:23 |
| _Goblin_ | I did wonder....... | Jul 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin_ | ;) | Jul 06 19:24 |
| _Hicham_ | isn't trmanco? | Jul 06 19:24 |
| trmanco | who me? | Jul 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin_ | ok, another retro question....... | Jul 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin_ | what was the one game that's gfx impressed you most at the time.... | Jul 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin_ | the one game where you thought "It cant get any better than this" | Jul 06 19:25 |
| trmanco | _Hicham_, 13 actually | Jul 06 19:26 |
| trmanco | _Goblin_, Crysis | Jul 06 19:26 |
| _Goblin_ | 8bit days would be Trapdoor and 16bit days would be Space Ace... | Jul 06 19:26 |
| _Goblin_ | in terms of modern.... | Jul 06 19:26 |
| _Goblin_ | I cant really comment, since I'm not a gamer anymore :( | Jul 06 19:27 |
| trmanco | oh those games | Jul 06 19:28 |
| trmanco | I never really been into old school games | Jul 06 19:28 |
| _Goblin_ | ohh.... | Jul 06 19:28 |
| _Goblin_ | you are refering to my youth there! | Jul 06 19:28 |
| _Goblin_ | days of the spectrum... | Jul 06 19:28 |
| trmanco | no, none of that | Jul 06 19:29 |
| _Goblin_ | Amiga? | Jul 06 19:29 |
| trmanco | na | Jul 06 19:30 |
| trmanco | Atari games | Jul 06 19:30 |
| trmanco | Mame | Jul 06 19:30 |
| _Goblin_ | excellent emu! | Jul 06 19:30 |
| trmanco | something like metal slug :D | Jul 06 19:30 |
| _Goblin_ | Narc? | Jul 06 19:30 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, metal slug is great | Jul 06 19:30 |
| trmanco | never played narc | Jul 06 19:31 |
| trmanco | on any platform yet | Jul 06 19:31 |
| _Goblin_ | V.good.... | Jul 06 19:31 |
| _Goblin_ | it was the one arcade game I always put money into. | Jul 06 19:31 |
| _Goblin_ | if only I had known at the time that in a few years time I'd have the emu, I could have saved alot of money. | Jul 06 19:32 |
| trmanco | :> | Jul 06 19:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Warren Buffett is not only an investment genius, he sure plays a mean ukulele. http://bit.ly/GVoH5 | Jul 06 19:38 | |
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| _Hicham_ | there is also the Street Fighter II | Jul 06 19:54 |
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| probe the obvious, http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPSRV/idUSN0626510320090706 | Jul 06 20:13 | |
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| balzac | -_- | Jul 06 20:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Anyone for free gifts? "Microsoftmas come early?" http://bit.ly/6Nph9 #microsoft #windows #xp | Jul 06 20:33 | |
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| trmanco | fsdaily is down | Jul 06 21:02 |
| trmanco | is on a summer break too? :-P | Jul 06 21:02 |
| nicktastic | Was up about an hour ago | Jul 06 21:07 |
| trmanco | dang | Jul 06 21:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks Higher Education Quarterly removed paper: Perspectives of UK Vice-Chancellors in a Knowlege-Based Economy, http://is.gd/1p9KS | Jul 06 21:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Discovered why ministroyofdeals mp3 so cheap: doesn't work. Won't connect reliably as usb disk to linux 2.6.31. anyone else luckier? | Jul 06 21:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] FoxNews writer fired for reviewing film off Internet sues News Corp for libel http://is.gd/1pa6f | Jul 06 21:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Get yourself over to Linux Tracker for all your distro needs on bittorrent! http://linuxtracker.org #linux #windows #microsoft #xp | Jul 06 22:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Since I've recovered from my fume poisoning I will do a little work around here and then watch the repeat of Torchwood at 1145 tonight. | Jul 06 22:13 | |
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| cj | wow. harsh: http://np237.livejournal.com/24790.html | Jul 06 22:27 |
| cj | excerpt: Q: What is the agenda of Roy Schestowitz, Sam Varghese, Robert Millan and their friends? | Jul 06 22:27 |
| cj | A: What they are doing is giving credit to the Microsoft FUD in order to also scare consumers and developers away from Mono. They want to scare them away to other free software environments, but what they achieve is scaring people away to buy Microsoft products instead. It is tempting to conclude, because of the result, that they are employed by Microsoft underhand, but applying Hanlon’s razor, I think they are | Jul 06 22:27 |
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| SubSonic | good evening gentlemen | Jul 06 22:51 |
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| cj | http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx | Jul 06 23:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Why Do Single Women Like Taken Men?: http://is.gd/1peG6 | Jul 06 23:23 | |
| cj | Under the Community Promise, Microsoft provides assurance that it will not assert its Necessary Claims against anyone who makes, uses, sells, offers for sale, imports, or distributes any Covered Implementation under any type of development or distribution model, including open-source licensing models such as the LGPL or GPL. | Jul 06 23:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @ottodv: My stats say that 11.5% of Firefox users already use #Firefox 3.5 http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/4471 #fx35 | Jul 06 23:28 | |
| trmanco | what about winforms | Jul 06 23:29 |
| trmanco | ? | Jul 06 23:29 |
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| cj | trmanco: *shrug* do you use winforms? do you want to? | Jul 06 23:31 |
| cj | *shudder* | Jul 06 23:31 |
| trmanco | no, don't use nothing related to mono | Jul 06 23:35 |
| trmanco | I was just asking | Jul 06 23:35 |
| Lns | cj: since when has Microsoft been trusted by anything they say? | Jul 06 23:39 |
| trmanco | people break promises | Jul 06 23:39 |
| cj | Lns: they never bounced my checks...? | Jul 06 23:41 |
| Lns | cj: you get checks from microsoft? | Jul 06 23:41 |
| Balrog_ | I find mono to be inferior in my experiences. It's best as a compatibility environment like wine, nothing more | Jul 06 23:43 |
| Lns | Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but I don't get how the software business even exists in the first place. It should be like art. You can't mix business and art. | Jul 06 23:46 |
| Lns | All these software patents, all this bullshit is horrible. It hinders ones ability to be creative. | Jul 06 23:47 |
| trmanco | patents should be extinguished | Jul 06 23:48 |
| Lns | i think they'll be naturally obsoleted once too many of them are around | Jul 06 23:48 |
| Lns | people are just going to stop caring about them | Jul 06 23:48 |
| cj | Lns: not any more, no | Jul 06 23:49 |
| Lns | cj: did you work for them? What did you do? Just curious | Jul 06 23:50 |
| cj | Lns: a couple of contracts. never full time. mostly testing. some perl automation. | Jul 06 23:51 |
| Lns | that's cool | Jul 06 23:51 |
| cj | it was interesting. lots of cool people there. I can do it for a few months at a time, but having to run windows grates on me :) | Jul 06 23:51 |
| Lns | heh | Jul 06 23:52 |
| trmanco | lol | Jul 06 23:52 |
| Lns | they force you to run windows? | Jul 06 23:52 |
| cj | Lns: not so much "force" | Jul 06 23:52 |
| cj | but they depend heavily on the bleeding edge outlook/exchange stuff | Jul 06 23:52 |
| cj | and evolution broke after exchange 2003 | Jul 06 23:52 |
| cj | I ran linux full screen in hyper-v and avoided the start button and friends when possible | Jul 06 23:53 |
| cj | there is actually a thriving ubuntu community there | Jul 06 23:53 |
| Lns | really... | Jul 06 23:54 |
| Lns | that statement is interesting enough for me to ask you to elaborate :) | Jul 06 23:54 |
| cj | yep. I learned how to use grub and xen from one of the open source labs folks | Jul 06 23:54 |
| trmanco | where? at Microsoft? | Jul 06 23:54 |
| cj | there's a division dedicated to making linux <-> windows interop seamless | Jul 06 23:54 |
| Lns | cj: i heard about that actually | Jul 06 23:55 |
| cj | and from what I can tell, most of the linux folks there run ubuntu | Jul 06 23:55 |
| Lns | jeez...that makes me want to switch =p | Jul 06 23:55 |
| Lns | j/k | Jul 06 23:55 |
| cj | :) | Jul 06 23:56 |
| Lns | cj: what do you think caused this massive shift in motivation toward "rivaling" "products" ? | Jul 06 23:56 |
| cj | I don't think I understand the question | Jul 06 23:56 |
| Lns | well... | Jul 06 23:57 |
| Lns | ms hasn't really ever been known to play nice with others | Jul 06 23:57 |
| Lns | why now? why linux? | Jul 06 23:57 |
| cj | I like to think that they've realized that they can't compete with the Free Software community | Jul 06 23:57 |
| cj | but I'm certainly not privy to their innermost thoughts | Jul 06 23:58 |
| Lns | sure | Jul 06 23:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Not only did Ars quote me, they illustrated my quote with a lolcat. http://is.gd/1pg01#wikimedia #ogg #theora #html5 #whatwg | Jul 06 23:58 | |
| cj | I think that they realize that folks are going to run linux in their data center and in their offices. friction causes problems in customer service. | Jul 06 23:58 |
| Balrog_ | cj: the engineers might think so | Jul 06 23:58 |
| Balrog_ | the bean counters don't | Jul 06 23:58 |
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