| *schestowitz catches up with mail | Jul 10 00:42 | |
| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz | Jul 10 00:43 |
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| amarsh04 | hi schestowitz | Jul 10 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 10 00:47 |
| schestowitz | "sagarun@trmanco @schestowitz "Bing is King" http://bit.ly/HWBSc " https://twitter.com/sagarun/status/2483670333 | Jul 10 00:48 |
| schestowitz | " wow, you're attracting the trolls with the last few posts. well done!" https://twitter.com/davidgerard/status/2474128870 | Jul 10 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Which one was _Mutex_? | Jul 10 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Nymshifting again. *frown* | Jul 10 00:49 |
| schestowitz | BobSprite was one of his latest nyms for trolling | Jul 10 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | "The plot thickens in Brazil...see the end of this posting: | Jul 10 01:04 |
| schestowitz | http://opensource.org/node/445 " | Jul 10 01:04 |
| schestowitz | " "For servers with BSOD we have used knoppix live cd to move files from | Jul 10 01:07 |
| schestowitz | quarantine to original place..." | Jul 10 01:07 |
| schestowitz | http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/showthread.php?s=c5c3d04c4159bd898a8f829e9249597d&t=231901&page=3 | Jul 10 01:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/03/mcafee_false_positive_glitch/ " | Jul 10 01:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bristolvision.com/index.html why isn't there a Linux model? | Jul 10 01:08 |
| schestowitz | For use regarding ACT, as promised: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Association_for_Competitive_Technology | Jul 10 01:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikimedia blog: Grape Lane (euph.) http://bit.ly/pm74e | Jul 10 01:18 | |
| schestowitz | Here's what I don't get: Mono was criticised long before Boycott Novell existed, just not as frequently. | Jul 10 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Some people try to mischaracterise the opposition, on purpose. | Jul 10 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Te "Fink" thing for example. He annoyed us too. It's a zealous reader who makes us look bad. There are others. It's hard for me to tell them off. They misrepresent and misinterpret, but they think they help. | Jul 10 01:19 |
| schestowitz | What I don't like is when defenders of Mono (e.g. Noyes, SJVN, etc.) quote the likes of "Fink" (and "M$"-speak types) to make Mono opposition look boorish and aggressive. The same tactics are used in more political press. | Jul 10 01:19 |
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| _Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Jul 10 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 10 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Thunderbird messed up | Jul 10 01:35 |
| schestowitz | I can't watch old news with RSS | Jul 10 01:35 |
| schestowitz | I need to manually browse, which is a PITA. Been reading most of the day... | Jul 10 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Re: "Bill Gates Mocks Free Software by Substituting “Proprietary” With", someone says "Just one example of how Microsoft plays 'language tricks' in an attempt to control the public debate around Free Software. " | Jul 10 01:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Solang, a photo manager, is now part of Ubuntu http://ping.fm/dSjlM | Jul 10 01:58 | |
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| schestowitz | OK, so other than the Mono 'news' there was nothing but Google's DRM-enabled fork of Linux | Jul 10 02:05 |
| schestowitz | So there was not much to miss | Jul 10 02:05 |
| schestowitz | I'll get some news links gathered | Jul 10 02:05 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : solang is gonna be pushed into fedora soon | Jul 10 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, you built it, right? | Jul 10 02:10 |
| schestowitz | I see the Mono trolls flooded the channel.. or generally the anti-Linux crowd | Jul 10 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Linuxsux troll took the BobSprout name or whatever it was (Mutex) | Jul 10 02:11 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : because there was no op | Jul 10 02:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm not even sure where to start catching up TBH | Jul 10 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Was there any massive news? | Jul 10 02:11 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, MinceR lost his. No idea why.. | Jul 10 02:12 |
| schestowitz | I've just caught up with IRC. Tons of it | Jul 10 02:12 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : there was the microsoft promise | Jul 10 02:12 |
| schestowitz | And some trolls made noise about BN having a downtime | Jul 10 02:12 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's more flattery than a nuisance... that people keep track of downtime and start hypothesising about crazy stuff | Jul 10 02:13 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Promise. Haha. | Jul 10 02:13 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u see it? | Jul 10 02:13 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Adolf promised Chamberlain peace | Jul 10 02:13 |
| *Balrog has quit () | Jul 10 02:13 | |
| schestowitz | "We shall not attack Sheffield" | Jul 10 02:13 |
| schestowitz | About the rest... well... | Jul 10 02:14 |
| schestowitz | It's only Miggue & fans who try to make it look like news | Jul 10 02:14 |
| schestowitz | It's not even good news | Jul 10 02:14 |
| schestowitz | It's Microsoft putting a fence inside .NET | Jul 10 02:14 |
| schestowitz | "You can use this without us killing your cow (lawsuit, not licensing),.. the rest... well, watch you back, Billie Boy.." | Jul 10 02:15 |
| schestowitz | And NOW they us... | Jul 10 02:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/07/05/ot-the-open-sourcerers-allium-harvest/ | Jul 10 02:15 |
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| Slashdot trolled, -> Mono, a framework based on Microsoft technology, has become more popular for Linux desktop applications than Java | Jul 10 02:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/07/07/promises-promises/ I hope you don't mind me reposting the CP analysis | Jul 10 02:17 |
| Hi Roy, welcome back. | Jul 10 02:18 | |
| :) | Jul 10 02:18 | |
| schestowitz | Things were quiet until Tuesday | Jul 10 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Monorgy | Jul 10 02:18 |
| schestowitz | What was that quote from Migi? | Jul 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | "I am overindulged with excitement"? | Jul 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Something about his lackey collagues | Jul 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | And Pete Galli who used to attack Linux from eWeek and then got hired by Microsoft | Jul 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | I see cj is still here | Jul 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Still working with MS people | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | And Mono | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | And advancing Mono | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nikhilk/status/2504103385 | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | @cjadamscollier Thanks for the pointers - will keep them in mind as I look into things. | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Said by | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | " * Name Nikhil Kothari | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | * Location Sammamish, WA | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | * Web http://www.nikhil... | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | * Bio Software Architect at Microsoft, working on .NET, ASP.NET and Silverlight..." | Jul 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Nice company we got here /sarcasm./ | Jul 10 02:20 |
| mono is falling flat on it's ass. | Jul 10 02:20 | |
| schestowitz | Well, many mono people are here in this IRC channel | Jul 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Jul 10 02:21 |
| They have nothing better to do? | Jul 10 02:21 | |
| Because mono is just a M$ PR effort? | Jul 10 02:22 | |
| Their most twisted and wasteful advertising effort yet. | Jul 10 02:22 | |
| M$ is still center of computer world, to prove it they write half free software for gnu/linux which developers avoid in droves. | Jul 10 02:23 | |
| Here's an example of the effort free software can afford to waste, http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/09/220216/Classilla-a-New-Port-of-Mozilla-To-Mac-OS-9 | Jul 10 02:25 | |
| schestowitz | Just posted this reply: | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | "You'd have to check usage in more places (which they don't). Apple is bigger than Linux in wealthy countries, but Linux is about an order of magnitude larger than Apple in less developed countries, of which there are many more. Watch the antitrust exhibits where Microsoft's internal documents show this. Ballmer's latest slide shows that on the desktop Linux has more market share than Apple. | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Net Applications is managed by Hopkins et al. He's from Microsoft (acquired by it, AFAIK), some say an investor in it (or was), and Microsoft is a paying client of Net Applications. That's how Net Applications makes income. | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | There are lies, damn lies.." | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Thought it might be of use | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | twitter: not really a "PR effort" (Mono) | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | It's an attempt to make .NET the 'standard" | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Like SMB | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Java is more of a standards than .NET | Jul 10 02:30 |
| schestowitz | And C/C++ as well | Jul 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz | My sister at GE only use these languages | Jul 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz | And they dumped Windows | Jul 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz | (on the desktop too) | Jul 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Miguel and MS colleagues are intended to reverse the trend | Jul 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Personal gain for: 1)Migi/Ximian | Jul 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz | 2) Novell | Jul 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz | 3) Microsoft | Jul 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Ximian>=MS | Jul 10 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Nat Friedman came from MS | Jul 10 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Novell would be bankrupt without MS money | Jul 10 02:32 |
| schestowitz | So it's mostly the same when overlap is accounted for | Jul 10 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Dell accidentally sells 140,000 monitors for $15 a pop http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/01/dell_ordered_to_honor_taiwan_monitor_mixup/ | Jul 10 02:33 |
| They would make .NET the "standard" by screaming it from the rooftops. In order for it to not look like the lame thing it is, they pretend it works with other OS. No one is interested in .NET because it's M$ only - who's going to pull their entire infrastructure down to Windows for a bad copy of java? | Jul 10 02:34 | |
| it's all PR. | Jul 10 02:34 | |
| axord | Wish I had gotten in on that deal | Jul 10 02:34 |
| M$ has had nothing but PR for a decade or so. | Jul 10 02:34 | |
| Ick, that Eet troll reaches new lows. | Jul 10 02:35 | |
| schestowitz | "Advertisers...Advertisers...Advertisers" | Jul 10 02:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkA9L2J2gY | Jul 10 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer's wife is from W-E | Jul 10 02:36 |
| schestowitz | I did a Wiki page on em a few days ago | Jul 10 02:36 |
| nice. | Jul 10 02:36 | |
| You know he means, "Pawns, Pawns, Pawns" | Jul 10 02:37 | |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Waggener_Edstrom | Jul 10 02:37 |
| schestowitz | Blip on radars last month: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/02/us_jobs_report_0609/ | Jul 10 02:39 |
| schestowitz | They tried to make it seem like stabilization | Jul 10 02:39 |
| schestowitz | But layoffs are now slowed down | Jul 10 02:39 |
| schestowitz | *Not | Jul 10 02:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft knew of nasty IE bug a year before attacks http://ping.fm/mRraI Yes, but they care *rolls eyes* | Jul 10 02:43 | |
| schestowitz | Firefox 3.5 already downloaded more than 4 million times < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/141450/from/rss09 > Very unimpressive | Jul 10 02:53 |
| schestowitz | How much was 3.0 downloaded within the first day/week? | Jul 10 02:53 |
| schestowitz | Like 15 million? | Jul 10 02:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Security on Symbian mobiles: Early signs of crumbling < http://ping.fm/ZgQlL > | Jul 10 02:58 | |
| schestowitz | These stats here are very incorrect because they pull IIS from a /real/ ~15% to about 30%+, but watch how ISS dives: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/06/17/june_2009_web_server_survey.html | Jul 10 02:58 |
| what is qq.com? | Jul 10 03:03 | |
| a variant of Apache? http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=qq.com | Jul 10 03:05 | |
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| schestowitz | The Chinese one, no? | Jul 10 03:05 |
| schestowitz | They cheat, too | Jul 10 03:05 |
| A Chinese IM? | Jul 10 03:05 | |
| schestowitz | Gaming Netcraft in a way | Jul 10 03:05 |
| schestowitz | No, server s/w | Jul 10 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Jul 10 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Was that the site with loads of subsites? | Jul 10 03:06 |
| schestowitz | MS lost heaps cause it had that spiel going too | Jul 10 03:06 |
| yes, almost all of M$'s drop can be accounted for by the rise in qq.com on that graph. | Jul 10 03:06 | |
| schestowitz | They learn how the #s work and then game them with parked domains and subsites | Jul 10 03:06 |
| schestowitz | That's why Netcraft is rubbish | Jul 10 03:06 |
| schestowitz | Gamable | Jul 10 03:06 |
| Google.com also rises | Jul 10 03:07 | |
| *schestowitz catching up with news, glad to see Microsoft is still going nowhere fast whereas Google adds its 20k engineers to Linux powa | Jul 10 03:07 | |
| schestowitz | I'll hopefully post links shortly | Jul 10 03:08 |
| schestowitz | >Thunderbird messed up | Jul 10 03:08 |
| schestowitz | For the first time it had a conflict in accessing folder, which brought up a prompt/dialogue. Until it's dismissed RSS is not being reloaded automatically | Jul 10 03:08 |
| schestowitz | So all this time it wasn't aggragating | Jul 10 03:09 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to browse HTML | Jul 10 03:09 |
| I like kde's RSS aggragator | Jul 10 03:09 | |
| the one in 3.5 | Jul 10 03:09 | |
| All I look at are KDE and debian, but the search feature works and it's relatively dependable. I have not tried Thunderbird. | Jul 10 03:10 | |
| schestowitz | Either way, less RSS would be more Comes | Jul 10 03:11 |
| schestowitz | I see wallclimber was here a lot | Jul 10 03:11 |
| Last night was particularly nasty trolling. | Jul 10 03:12 | |
| People praising Windows 7 and other M$. | Jul 10 03:12 | |
| MinceR bothered to talk to them. | Jul 10 03:12 | |
| schestowitz | He ought to have had op | Jul 10 03:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oh my flying spaghetti monster!! Watch this terrible revisionist history of Linux: http://ping.fm/5FGEF | Jul 10 03:13 | |
| schestowitz | Google's Chrome OS and the Year of the GNU/Linux Desktop http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2336 | Jul 10 03:13 |
| schestowitz | "Thus Google's operating system represents a further stage in the commoditisation of software, something that the appearance of GNU/Linux began all those years ago. Now, the operating system is simply there to support the browser, which becomes the main arena for interacting with applications." | Jul 10 03:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux'Insider' is again attacking the character of Linux by putting forth stereotypes: http://ping.fm/4Qexs | Jul 10 03:18 | |
| We must welcome the clueless. Andrew Weiner is not the best researcher but he seems to be on the right track. There will be a lot more of this, the truth is easy enough to find. | Jul 10 03:18 | |
| schestowitz | More bollox from MS Jack's pub: Did Microsoft force Asus to axe Linux? : http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jul/08/microsoft-asus-linux | Jul 10 03:21 |
| schestowitz | They try to rewrite the story | Jul 10 03:21 |
| schestowitz | And to blame Linux too... or deal with cost | Jul 10 03:21 |
| Looking that the Linux Outsider article. They pull out the "trump card" - "All software is terrible, leave the poor Windows users alone." | Jul 10 03:22 | |
| schestowitz | Steve Jobs rattled for drugs money http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1433210/steve-jobs-rattled-drugs-money | Jul 10 03:24 |
| Ha ha, they quote the hairyfeet troll. | Jul 10 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | "trump card"? | Jul 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | More like the MS card | Jul 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | "All sw is insecure | Jul 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | "All sw sucks" | Jul 10 03:24 |
| Yes, that's what M$ advocates fall back to every time. | Jul 10 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | "All companies are evil" | Jul 10 03:24 |
| Smear. | Jul 10 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | "Linux is hard to use" | Jul 10 03:25 |
| schestowitz | "hard", not "different" | Jul 10 03:25 |
| Name calling. | Jul 10 03:25 | |
| "It's not better, it's what you are used to." | Jul 10 03:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ay35nJkEoMio | Jul 10 03:25 |
| schestowitz | MS schmoozing Kroes again | Jul 10 03:25 |
| schestowitz | We need exhibits and court material | Jul 10 03:25 |
| Billions of dollars are spent on these kinds of lies every year. | Jul 10 03:26 | |
| schestowitz | For the eyes to see other than some Bloomberg coverage that says nothing about the actual /offenses/ | Jul 10 03:26 |
| schestowitz | It's like pointing at someone and saying "this is a bad man" rather than listing the crimes or showing the victims | Jul 10 03:26 |
| schestowitz | Reuters once gave examples from Exhibits | Jul 10 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Quotes from RealNetworks suit | Jul 10 03:27 |
| schestowitz | The rest are deliberately vague | Jul 10 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Making it seem like MS is prosecuted for being "just a large company | Jul 10 03:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Worldwide PC spending will drop six percent http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1433020/worldwide-pc-spending-drop-percent | Jul 10 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Good for Linux | Jul 10 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Reuse of hardware -- new OS, no new h/w | Jul 10 03:28 |
| schestowitz | The numbers are funded by the likes of IBM and MS | Jul 10 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Gmail is finally out of beta http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1433000/gmail-finally-beta | Jul 10 03:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Greenpeace ranks companies by pollutants and such criteria: http://ping.fm/0djuz | Jul 10 03:33 | |
| schestowitz | The Ultimate Irony: Health Care Industry Adopts Big Tobacco's PR Tactics < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8454 > | Jul 10 03:35 |
| Insurance is not health care. | Jul 10 03:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The healthcare industry .. "record-breaking influence campaign," spending "more than $1.4 million a day on lobbying"... http://ping.fm/rr6Ge | Jul 10 03:38 | |
| schestowitz | Get a load of this: http://identi.ca/notice/6206338 | Jul 10 03:38 |
| schestowitz | "MS MELLER" as they call him strikes again | Jul 10 03:38 |
| schestowitz | http://config.fsf.org/trac/public/wiki/rms | Jul 10 03:40 |
| schestowitz | Linus: "Pathetic" http://linux.com/news/featured-blogs/176-linus-torvalds/25621-pathetic | Jul 10 03:52 |
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| schestowitz | New 'cyber attacks' hit S Korea http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8142282.stm | Jul 10 03:58 |
| schestowitz | 11 Undocumented Features Of Google Chrome OS http://www.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=8677 | Jul 10 04:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft IIS Takes Huge Dive as Apache Gains http://ping.fm/vOVk0 | Jul 10 04:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brazil Embraces Digital Freedom http://ping.fm/rInn7 | Jul 10 04:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Norway Turns Its Back on Lock-in and Moves to ODF http://ping.fm/nmGwB via Microsoft drone | Jul 10 04:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Phorm Virus is Defeated by Public Backlash, BT Dumps Them http://ping.fm/SWgYQ | Jul 10 04:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] USENET and Many Innocent People Comes Under Attack by the MAFIAA http://ping.fm/kLPT8 http://ping.fm/JfEIL | Jul 10 04:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Great to see you are back. The Free Software Community missed you. Hope you've had a lot of fun ;-) | Jul 10 05:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Microsoft Product Drops Like a Fly http://ping.fm/loNRJ | Jul 10 05:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst: I did, thanks | Jul 10 05:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft is Profiteering from Vulnerabilities in Windows http://ping.fm/JU19u | Jul 10 05:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 is Browserless Vista http://ping.fm/Pzzeb | Jul 10 05:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Microsoft Mellor" Pushes the Words of Microsoft Lobbyist Into IDG http://ping.fm/7GVcd | Jul 10 05:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ditched Ubuntu/Gnome last week, in favour of Fedora 10/KDE 4.2.4 (using the Lancelot menu) No MONO no no! http://tinyurl.com/lj8x2c | Jul 10 05:38 | |
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| Every time a new M$ OS is rolled out, the Wintel press talks about Vulnerabilities in [the old] Windows | Jul 10 06:07 | |
| -> While I’d like to see a choice of browser from OEMs, sadly I just can’t imagine it being a reality | Jul 10 06:10 | |
| Real choice would involve OS, not browsers. | Jul 10 06:11 | |
| schestowitz | Of course | Jul 10 06:11 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft 'punished' itself | Jul 10 06:11 |
| schestowitz | Let me find that video... | Jul 10 06:11 |
| schestowitz | About the snake 'losing' its legs | Jul 10 06:11 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... it's hard to find video/audio (no text) | Jul 10 06:12 |
| Omar87 | Welcome back schestowitz. | Jul 10 06:13 |
| schestowitz | Ah! | Jul 10 06:13 |
| schestowitz | Got it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSOac66ppNI | Jul 10 06:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft... is the snake | Jul 10 06:13 |
| yuhong | Well, real choice would include IMO include both OS and browsers. | Jul 10 06:14 |
| schestowitz | Punishing itself by doing more harm to the competition | Jul 10 06:14 |
| schestowitz | How will people download Opera and Firefox? | Jul 10 06:14 |
| schestowitz | Opera's CEO said Microsoft "is playing a game" | Jul 10 06:14 |
| schestowitz | [with the EU | Jul 10 06:14 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: hi, Omar87 | Jul 10 06:14 |
| The OEM is supposed to host the alternate software. | Jul 10 06:14 | |
| I like that Sam V. article. | Jul 10 06:14 | |
| yuhong | I often visit AskWoody.com to learn about problems with MS's updates. | Jul 10 06:15 |
| Well written and good details. | Jul 10 06:15 | |
| schestowitz | This is a better link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRgTxwBYZqM | Jul 10 06:15 |
| yuhong | It has some good quotes. | Jul 10 06:15 |
| yuhong | "But also consider the corporate culture that allows such blatant acts of hubris to take place. Repeatedly. The old Microsoft is with us still." | Jul 10 06:16 |
| yuhong | http://www.askwoody.com/2009/net-framework-patch-stupidities/ | Jul 10 06:16 |
| yuhong | And it isn't just hubris. | Jul 10 06:16 |
| yuhong | It also critised OneCare. | Jul 10 06:16 |
| yuhong | http://www.askwoody.com/2008/2195/ | Jul 10 06:17 |
| yuhong | "it reeks of payola, where Microsoft is making people pay for a service (Microsoft protecting Microsoft products) that, in my opinion, should be provided for free." | Jul 10 06:17 |
| yuhong | Eventually MS did later provide it for free. | Jul 10 06:18 |
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| yuhong | http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-install/ | Jul 10 06:18 |
| yuhong | More articles critising onecare: | Jul 10 06:19 |
| yuhong | http://www.askwoody.com/2008/2233/ | Jul 10 06:19 |
| yuhong | http://www.askwoody.com/2006/462/ | Jul 10 06:19 |
| yuhong | And another quote: | Jul 10 06:20 |
| yuhong | "(I still won’t set foot on the Microsoft Campus without a bodyguard. That’s only a slight exaggeration.) " | Jul 10 06:20 |
| yuhong | http://www.askwoody.com/about-woody/ | Jul 10 06:21 |
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| toot toot, http://slashdot.org/submission/1035953/How-M-and-Consultants-Made-24E6-with-Conficker | Jul 10 06:33 | |
| DarwinWasWrongRickyGervaisIntroductionToTheB ... hey, am I being rick rolled? | Jul 10 06:34 | |
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| BobStrite | anyone watched the PBS newshour feature about "Free Software" ?? | Jul 10 06:45 |
| no, got link? | Jul 10 06:46 | |
| BobStrite | I think the web site is PBS.org, it's on my TV now, "live". but thats in Australia, | Jul 10 06:46 |
| ugh, broadcast crap is always so much work to find and share .... | Jul 10 06:48 | |
| BobStrite | I can try to record it and mabey send it to someone, if its any good, ive not seen it yet. | Jul 10 06:49 |
| http://www.pbs.org/newshour/newshour_index.html | Jul 10 06:50 | |
| got any idea which one it is? | Jul 10 06:50 | |
| yuhong | On the matter of the Network Computer, I wonder how much did MS's role actually play in the death of the NC. | Jul 10 06:51 |
| BobStrite | No not yet "The Newshour with Jim Lehrer" | Jul 10 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Mutex | Jul 10 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Stop nymshifting | Jul 10 06:51 |
| BobStrite | The technology itself was the death of NC | Jul 10 06:52 |
| BobStrite | schestowitz ?? what | Jul 10 06:52 |
| schestowitz | bigpond | Jul 10 06:53 |
| yuhong | I mean, on BN are evidence that MS tried to attack NCs. | Jul 10 06:53 |
| They have something on "Cloud Computing" with only a link to an mp3 | Jul 10 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | yuhong: Oracle wrote to me about it | Jul 10 06:53 |
| BobStrite | bigpond, the largest ISP in Australia so ? | Jul 10 06:53 |
| PBS is generally clueless. | Jul 10 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | You're trolling in the same way | Jul 10 06:53 |
| schestowitz | It's you | Jul 10 06:53 |
| schestowitz | Goodbye, _Mutex_ AKA 10 other names | Jul 10 06:53 |
| BobStrite | who ? | Jul 10 06:54 |
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| *schestowitz has kicked BobStrite from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jul 10 06:54 | |
| lol | Jul 10 06:54 | |
| was that really Mutex? | Jul 10 06:54 | |
| yuhong | Yep, Oracle, Apple all tried to do NCs. | Jul 10 06:55 |
| schestowitz | twitter: aye | Jul 10 06:55 |
| schestowitz | Since days ago | Jul 10 06:55 |
| He knew you were talking to him, denied it ... guilty. | Jul 10 06:55 | |
| schestowitz | No op was online to kickban him | Jul 10 06:55 |
| yuhong | And while Mac NC was never released, it did led to Apple's network booting solution called NetBoot. | Jul 10 06:56 |
| It was a real mess in here for a few days. | Jul 10 06:56 | |
| yuhong | Anyway, was that written about in public? | Jul 10 06:57 |
| yuhong | Anyway, was that letter written about in public? | Jul 10 06:57 |
| PBS says, "Hospitals Vow Cost Cuts Amid Concerns on Reform's Price Tag" as if hospitals were to blame for the insurance mess. | Jul 10 06:57 | |
| yuhong | I mean, did you write about that letter? | Jul 10 06:58 |
| yuhong | "Our focus will be to continue to expose the issues with the NC idea, while communicating the benefits of Windows and our thin client strategy with Hydra and the Windows-based Terminal. | Jul 10 06:59 |
| yuhong | This might be another case of (illegal) embrace extend.. They adopt what the customers might want from the competition and then they tie it in to MSware" | Jul 10 06:59 |
| yuhong | Hydra was the codename for the TSE edition of NT 4. | Jul 10 06:59 |
| yuhong | I know a lot of codenames, BTW. | Jul 10 06:59 |
| yuhong | Merced was the codename for Intel's Itanium. | Jul 10 07:00 |
| listening to the "cloud computing" ugh. | Jul 10 07:00 | |
| yuhong | That was also mentioned in some anti-trust exhibits. | Jul 10 07:02 |
| Oh my, the tremendous innovation of ... more than one person using a computer at the same time. | Jul 10 07:03 | |
| yuhong | NT 4 TSE, BTW, was yep closely related to Citrix. Let me tell you the history. | Jul 10 07:04 |
| yuhong | Citrix licensed NT 3.51 source code from MS to create WinFrame. | Jul 10 07:04 |
| yuhong | Later they tried to license NT 4 source code the same way. | Jul 10 07:06 |
| yuhong | Unfortunately, MS took away that license, which meant that the WinFrame 2.0 beta had to be cancelled. | Jul 10 07:06 |
| Google claim -> "We can make sure we can keep your data and not lose it like you will. ... Google is down a lot less than your computer." | Jul 10 07:07 | |
| that's true for more than 80% of the world's computer users who are not using free software like Google is. | Jul 10 07:08 | |
| Nice of Mutex to point to that nifty story about M$ failure. :) | Jul 10 07:09 | |
| yuhong | After some arguing, the solution ended up being that Citrix would license it's MultiWin technology to MS for use in NT 4 TSE. | Jul 10 07:10 |
| yuhong | In exchange, MS would provide hooks in NT 4 TSE to allow Citrix to layer it's own products on top of it. | Jul 10 07:11 |
| yuhong | That Citrix product during the beta was called pICAsso, by the final release it was called MetaFrame. | Jul 10 07:12 |
| yuhong | It ran on top of NT 4 TSE. | Jul 10 07:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Article: Microsoft’s Empty “Community Promise” (Mono) is a Sham http://ping.fm/Ver9F | Jul 10 07:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Confirms Mono is Not Safe, Stallman Agrees http://ping.fm/cTwTZ | Jul 10 07:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Windows Security Theatre http://ping.fm/zlZD7 | Jul 10 07:28 | |
| blankthemuffin | Wow who's doing the misdirection here? I like how none of those articles make clear what isn't covered. Instead focusing on how bad it is that they're not covered. You say that because Microsoft is a key contributor to the spec that everybody who uses it on linux is going to start using windows? That's insane. | Jul 10 07:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What is Microsoft Doing Inside the ‘Press’? http://ping.fm/KhJt3 | Jul 10 08:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Microsoft Product Officially Dies: Response Point http://ping.fm/jJOio | Jul 10 08:53 | |
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| schestowitz | It's surprising that even when no posts were made we had like 6000 unique IPs per day. | Jul 10 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Downtime yesterday was 4 hours on the face of it. | Jul 10 09:28 |
| amarsh04 | hi schestowitz, just been watching the movie "Antitrust" borrowed from the local library - never seen it until now | Jul 10 09:32 |
| schestowitz | It's on YouTube, I think | Jul 10 09:41 |
| schestowitz | I put one in BN over 2 years ago | Jul 10 09:41 |
| zoobab01 | launch a contest, the first guy who manage to get a RAND license out of iplg@microsoft win something | Jul 10 09:50 |
| zoobab01 | iplg@microsoft.com | Jul 10 09:50 |
| schestowitz | Win what? | Jul 10 09:51 |
| schestowitz | I got some reply from them | Jul 10 09:51 |
| schestowitz | But no licence | Jul 10 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Just offer to negotiate | Jul 10 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Starts here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/09/shopping-for-mono-protection/ | Jul 10 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Then: | Jul 10 09:52 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/22/protection-for-use-of-mono/ | Jul 10 09:52 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/07/request-for-mono-ip/ | Jul 10 09:52 |
| zoobab01 | negotiate? | Jul 10 09:52 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/reply-to-request-for-mono/ | Jul 10 09:52 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: See this last one | Jul 10 09:52 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: Ballmer tried to "schmooze" kroes again: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ay35nJkEoMio | Jul 10 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Your buddy Jon is doing the 'good work' again: http://www.techworld.com/applications/news/index.cfm?newsID=118711&pagtype=all | Jul 10 09:54 |
| schestowitz | MS MELLER reports | Jul 10 09:55 |
| zoobab01 | have you called them to negotiate? | Jul 10 09:55 |
| zoobab01 | Meller = MS oriented | Jul 10 09:55 |
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| zoobab01 | they will go for a dinner and that's will be solved | Jul 10 09:57 |
| blankthemuffin | You'd probably come off as less of a crank if you cited all this information. ( internal cites don't count ). | Jul 10 10:02 |
| blankthemuffin | "Mono advocates (who are sometimes Novell employees) just ‘perfume’ it to themselves that all is well while attacking those who say the truth. We’ve seen prompt attacks on anyone who ‘dares’ to question Novell’s Mono." Oh really. | Jul 10 10:03 |
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| blankthemuffin | " Some of these attacks seem to come from Microsoft employees, who are also seen openly lobbying for Mono in the mainstream press." Oh really? | Jul 10 10:03 |
| blankthemuffin | "Miguel de Icaza is singing this fairly tale, but evidence actually contradicts it." What evidence? | Jul 10 10:03 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: ACT wiki - About ACT: ttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Association_for_Competitive_Technology | Jul 10 10:05 |
| *schestowitz thinks Mono devs and proponents love hanging around here. | Jul 10 10:06 | |
| blankthemuffin | Probably most of the channel users. | Jul 10 10:07 |
| blankthemuffin | It's pretty normal, one would expect to have both sides of the argument represented equally. | Jul 10 10:08 |
| blankthemuffin | well, hope to anyway | Jul 10 10:09 |
| blankthemuffin | provided of course the channels aim is to promote discussion, not circle jerking. | Jul 10 10:11 |
| schestowitz | Moments ago I got a letter from the Europen Ombudsman. They have assigned people to the complaint. | Jul 10 10:23 |
| Ng | has the SFLC given any opinion on the MS CP? I'm failing to find anything on their site | Jul 10 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Jul 10 10:36 |
| schestowitz | FSF | Jul 10 10:36 |
| schestowitz | FSF/GNU, so probably SFLC too | Jul 10 10:36 |
| Ng | well RMS said he thinks C# is still a bad idea, but that's not quite the same as the FSF saying so (although obviously it's very close!) | Jul 10 10:38 |
| Ng | but RMS' statement is interesting, because he talks about the real problem being the "gratuitous risk" of losing the apps | Jul 10 10:39 |
| Ng | the rapidity with which gnote was bootstrapped kinda suggests that things could be migrated away from C# without having to throw all the code away entirely | Jul 10 10:39 |
| blankthemuffin | Not really though, since tomboy is a relatively simple application. | Jul 10 10:40 |
| Ng | I've dug around in the banshee code previously and it's an almost textbook OO design, which would help | Jul 10 10:41 |
| Ng | obviously that would still be a bad situation to be in, just not nuclear-holocaust-bad :) | Jul 10 10:41 |
| blankthemuffin | Oh yeah, I mean it's not going to kill linux on the desktop, and it's certainly not going to kill linux / free software. | Jul 10 10:42 |
| blankthemuffin | The worst thing would be the loss of mono. As in, the loss of a nice cross platform environment for application development. | Jul 10 10:43 |
| Ng | I don't care about it being cross platform ;) | Jul 10 10:44 |
| Ng | being able to theoretically run windows .net executables is of precisely no interest to me, I just care that I don't lose f-spot because it's doing a great job of looking after my photos :) | Jul 10 10:45 |
| blankthemuffin | If it was linux only, I'd still use it. But cross platform is important to a lot of people. | Jul 10 10:46 |
| Ng | people who have money to pay for porting, generally | Jul 10 10:48 |
| schestowitz | Powerful Linux apps are not Mono or .NET | Jul 10 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Powerful Linux apps are written in real programming languages that can handle hardware decently | Jul 10 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Programs like Maya | Jul 10 10:50 |
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| Ng | schestowitz: maya is really not very interesting to an average desktop user | Jul 10 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Neither is Bashnee to an Amarok user | Jul 10 10:59 |
| schestowitz | *nsh | Jul 10 10:59 |
| Ng | I'm not an amarok user :) | Jul 10 10:59 |
| Ng | I used to be, but its UI is ridiculous | Jul 10 10:59 |
| Ng | but they are at least both apps likely to be useful to desktop users | Jul 10 11:01 |
| Ng | maya is a very specialised, expensive, proprietary application for workstations and render farms | Jul 10 11:01 |
| schestowitz | --Besides the point | Jul 10 11:04 |
| Ng | well your point was pretty much irrelevant to the discussion, so that doesn't matter ;) | Jul 10 11:04 |
| Ng | we weren't talking about powerful linux apps :) | Jul 10 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Which don't require Mono, obviously | Jul 10 11:05 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jul 10 11:05 |
| Ng | I think you must be confused | Jul 10 11:05 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Lobbying in Europe Goes Up a Notch http://ping.fm/wPpXZ | Jul 10 11:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] joy division covered by a steel band: http://bit.ly/8cDDo | Jul 10 11:08 | |
| oiaohm | Maya more and more being replaced by blender Ng | Jul 10 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Render farms are more likely to be blender than Maya by the way. | Jul 10 11:09 |
| Ng | some people certainly use blender | Jul 10 11:10 |
| Ng | maya/renderman still see a bunch of use in the professional effects business because they are better | Jul 10 11:10 |
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| Ng | but none of this is remotely relevant :) | Jul 10 11:10 |
| oiaohm | There is a issue with that statement Ng. | Jul 10 11:11 |
| oiaohm | maya is falling behind blender in means render things. | Jul 10 11:12 |
| Ng | blender is an excellent piece of software, I didn't mean to imply otherwise | Jul 10 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Many years ago maya was top without question. | Jul 10 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Due to slower development it starting to fade. | Jul 10 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Its happening across many markets. | Jul 10 11:14 |
| oiaohm | amarok is something you either like or hate. I normally end up running Juk. | Jul 10 11:17 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/09/microsoft_security_delayed/ << The truth of MS secuirty is starting to leak. | Jul 10 11:26 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/google-nacl-security-contest-uncovered-vulnerabilities.ars <<Who says x86 cannot match a .net byte code in secuirty. | Jul 10 11:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] barry and sarko's adventures with DAT ASS http://bit.ly/2S1TqD | Jul 10 11:33 | |
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| Roey | hello | Jul 10 11:56 |
| Roey | I just read about this channel in http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/20/ms-oem-blackmail-vs-linux/ | Jul 10 11:56 |
| oiaohm | MS use to do blackmail of vendors in a big way in the dos days. | Jul 10 12:01 |
| Roey | you know what bothers me most | Jul 10 12:02 |
| oiaohm | MS doing it again would to supprise me. | Jul 10 12:02 |
| oiaohm | What Roey | Jul 10 12:02 |
| Roey | is how much MS' tactics actually do influence consumers to prefer devices running Windows. | Jul 10 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jul 10 12:04 |
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| oiaohm | Consumers care about getting things done. Roey | Jul 10 12:04 |
| oiaohm | If you be truth Linux desktops pre 2006 were really not user friendly. Between google and the better grades of distributions coming MS so called influence will not mean much. | Jul 10 12:05 |
| Ng | I think MS influence on OEMs is still a problem | Jul 10 12:06 |
| Ng | the OEMs used linux on netbooks as a way to get better pricing on windows netbooks, but the net result seems to be that most of them are scaling back their linux netbook efforts | Jul 10 12:07 |
| Roey | ok | Jul 10 12:07 |
| Roey | ah well :( | Jul 10 12:07 |
| Ng | and none of them can afford to be too aggressive on other OSes if it's going to hurt their laptop/desktop/server windows licence pricing | Jul 10 12:07 |
| Roey | so maybe a small vendor has flexibility here | Jul 10 12:09 |
| Roey | because they don't the burden of addiitonal lines of laptops, etc., where Windows would otherwise be a priority | Jul 10 12:09 |
| Roey | *they don't have the burden | Jul 10 12:10 |
| Roey | so they could ignore MS whole-heartedly | Jul 10 12:10 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ng price cutting to keep market is not a long term game. | Jul 10 12:26 |
| oiaohm_ | All Linux has to do is keep presure on MS and keep on ramping it up and MS will do themselves in. | Jul 10 12:27 |
| Ng | yes, microsoft are clearly terrified of their prices falling, which is why for windows 7 they're going up again | Jul 10 12:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Windows 7 is either less or equal to Vista in place. | Jul 10 12:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Place/price. | Jul 10 12:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Flat lining has never happened before with MS Ng | Jul 10 12:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Presure will just keep on increasing. Samba with Unlimited cal ADS server is going to put presure on MS server market. | Jul 10 12:32 |
| oiaohm_ | Arm and Mips platforms don't run Windows 7. | Jul 10 12:32 |
| oiaohm_ | So will become a new home for Linux. | Jul 10 12:32 |
| Ng | well ARM has WinCE, but that's not really a great experience | Jul 10 12:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Not exactly how MS expected the netbook line to play out. It showed arm and mips processor makers that there was a way for them to enter the desktop game. | Jul 10 12:33 |
| Ng | although there is someone selling a netbook in the UK with WinCE on it | Jul 10 12:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Now win CE will also be vs windows 7 | Jul 10 12:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Just like XP was going head to head with Vista annoying MS profits. | Jul 10 12:34 |
| oiaohm_ | If someone is stronger than you make them fight themselves. | Jul 10 12:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Game as MS had it is over Ng. | Jul 10 12:36 |
| oiaohm_ | The question is what is the market going to look like after everything sorts out. | Jul 10 12:36 |
| mrguser | hello | Jul 10 12:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Hi mrguser | Jul 10 12:37 |
| Ng | oiaohm_: I don't want to disagree that they're screwed, but I'll be happier when their revenues are diving, instead of just down for one quarter ;) | Jul 10 12:37 |
| mrguser | what parts of c# aren't under ecma? I mean this article and stallman's respone http://mobile.itwire.com/content/view/26166/1090 | Jul 10 12:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Ng Ms cut a lot of departments to turn that dive around. | Jul 10 12:38 |
| Ng | mrguser: things like Windows.Forms and ADO.Net | Jul 10 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | Ok don't know what was my last line before I lost connection. | Jul 10 12:41 |
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| Roey | i.e. all the libraries | Jul 10 12:55 |
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| mrguser | sorry, my connection was terminated | Jul 10 13:34 |
| mrguser | so can someone answer what parts of c# aren't standarized by ecma (i don't mean parts of .net like ado.net, winforms etc). I refer to recent stallman talk, article at itwire | Jul 10 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Items like winforms asp.net ... Lot of the .net framework basically is not covered mrguser | Jul 10 13:36 |
| oiaohm | So the part to make most of the .net application work are not covered mrguser | Jul 10 13:37 |
| blankthemuffin | That's not really lots of the framework, they're peripheral. | Jul 10 13:37 |
| blankthemuffin | oiaohm, that's very misinformed. | Jul 10 13:37 |
| blankthemuffin | WinForms isn't used in linux applications. ASP.NET is .NET about as much as IronPython is. | Jul 10 13:38 |
| blankthemuffin | The only core things are new additions to the language. Things like LINQ. | Jul 10 13:38 |
| mrguser | I thought i was clear with my question about winforms, asp etc | Jul 10 13:39 |
| oiaohm | I really did not want to write out the huge list not covered blankthemuffin | Jul 10 13:39 |
| oiaohm | It includes bits like ado as well that are used for database accessing. blankthemuffin | Jul 10 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Lot interfaces methods with files also not cover. | Jul 10 13:40 |
| mrguser | Can you see different between c# and .net? | Jul 10 13:41 |
| mrguser | php is not zend | Jul 10 13:41 |
| oiaohm | CIL ie the byte code engine. | Jul 10 13:41 |
| mrguser | ruby is not rubyon rails | Jul 10 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Of .net is covered basically nothing else. | Jul 10 13:41 |
| mrguser | c# is not .net | Jul 10 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Syntax of C# is covered and basically nothing else. | Jul 10 13:42 |
| blankthemuffin | oiaohm, you are very badly informed. | Jul 10 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Have you been threw that standard blankthemuffin | Jul 10 13:42 |
| mrguser | so why rms told itwire http://mobile.itwire.com/content/view/26166/1090 | Jul 10 13:42 |
| blankthemuffin | Yes, I've read parts of both standards, I'm by no means an expert but 'basically nothing else' is very much wrong. | Jul 10 13:43 |
| blankthemuffin | The C# language is covered, and the CLR is covered. Newer extensions to these like LINQ are not as far as I remember covered at the moment | Jul 10 13:43 |
| mrguser | Why rms said that there are parts of c# not covered by ecma stndarization? | Jul 10 13:43 |
| mrguser | Linq is part of c#? | Jul 10 13:44 |
| benJIman | It has both language and library components. | Jul 10 13:45 |
| blankthemuffin | mrguser, I suggest you wait until he actually makes a through examination of the issue. Anything before he makes proper comments is hearsay | Jul 10 13:45 |
| mrguser | thanks for some clarification | Jul 10 13:46 |
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| oiaohm | Ok blankthemuffin what one of ECMA-334 and ECMA-335 includes more than basic functionality . | Jul 10 13:48 |
| blankthemuffin | Depends what you mean by basic functionality. | Jul 10 13:48 |
| blankthemuffin | If by basic functionality you mean the .NET runtime and the C# language, then not much. | Jul 10 13:48 |
| oiaohm | How many programs just depend on that. | Jul 10 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Lot reach out to .net framework for like xml process and network linking and so on. | Jul 10 13:50 |
| oiaohm | That are not covered by either standard. | Jul 10 13:50 |
| oiaohm | when you cut the .net system back to what is covered most .net applications will not run. | Jul 10 13:51 |
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| oiaohm | Basically read ECMA-334 and ECMA-335 and you will know everything that is covered mrguser and its not much. | Jul 10 13:58 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-335.pdf and http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-334.pdf | Jul 10 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Just over 1000 pages total. | Jul 10 14:00 |
| blankthemuffin | oiaohm, mono is being cut back to just the standards. | Jul 10 14:02 |
| blankthemuffin | splitting it into two parts, ECMA ratified parts, and everything else. | Jul 10 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Find system.io define in the standard its used once as an example in the C# programming langauge total. Note being in an example does not make it part of the standard. | Jul 10 14:06 |
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| oiaohm | Its not in the other at all blankthemuffin | Jul 10 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically none of core coding libs are covered blankthemuffin | Jul 10 14:06 |
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| blankthemuffin | What | Jul 10 14:07 |
| blankthemuffin | Please check your facts. | Jul 10 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Then give me page number in standard. | Jul 10 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Countering it blankthemuffin | Jul 10 14:08 |
| oiaohm | I have the standard here. | Jul 10 14:08 |
| blankthemuffin | I don't | Jul 10 14:08 |
| blankthemuffin | and I can't download it either. | Jul 10 14:08 |
| oiaohm | I gave the links to them just before. | Jul 10 14:09 |
| oiaohm | They are only 5 megs worth of downloads. | Jul 10 14:09 |
| blankthemuffin | Sure, but I can't download it. | Jul 10 14:09 |
| blankthemuffin | That's 'only' to you | Jul 10 14:09 |
| oiaohm | If you don't have the standard there you are in no place to argue. | Jul 10 14:09 |
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| oiaohm | If I have missed it in the standard I would be happy to have it pointed out. | Jul 10 14:10 |
| blankthemuffin | I have the language standard, but not the clr. | Jul 10 14:11 |
| blankthemuffin | I'd be almost willing to bet money that you're wrong though. | Jul 10 14:11 |
| oiaohm | You most likely would lose that money. | Jul 10 14:12 |
| blankthemuffin | maybe | Jul 10 14:12 |
| oiaohm | CLR is not in the standard so far release to CP. | Jul 10 14:12 |
| oiaohm | .Net is more than 2 standards. | Jul 10 14:13 |
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| blankthemuffin | Sorry, I got my acronyms wrong | Jul 10 14:15 |
| blankthemuffin | The CLR is an implementation of the CLI | Jul 10 14:15 |
| blankthemuffin | not a standard in itself. | Jul 10 14:16 |
| oiaohm | CLI is the bytecode. | Jul 10 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Its the bit most of the CLR sits on. | Jul 10 14:16 |
| blankthemuffin | Common Language Infrastructure, not Common Intermediary Language. You have them the wrong way around. | Jul 10 14:16 |
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| blankthemuffin | CIL is the byte code, CLI is the standard, CLR is an implementation of the standard. | Jul 10 14:17 |
| blankthemuffin | ( the CLI encompasses the CIL ) | Jul 10 14:17 |
| oiaohm | CIL Assembly Language (ILAsm), | Jul 10 14:17 |
| blankthemuffin | ( Note to everybody: DAMMIT PLEASE USE BETTER NAMING STRATEGIES ) | Jul 10 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Ok the assembly before it becomes bytecode. | Jul 10 14:18 |
| blankthemuffin | There is no assembly before it 'becomes bytecode' | Jul 10 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Low level stuff not much use. | Jul 10 14:18 |
| oiaohm | That is its title. | Jul 10 14:19 |
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| blankthemuffin | C# ( and all other .NET languages ) are compiled to the Common Intermediary Language. | Jul 10 14:19 |
| blankthemuffin | there is no standardised step between those two afaik. | Jul 10 14:19 |
| oiaohm | What full title is Common Intermediary Language Assembly Language. | Jul 10 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Yes ew. | Jul 10 14:20 |
| blankthemuffin | That's not the full title..? | Jul 10 14:20 |
| oiaohm | That is CIL full title. | Jul 10 14:21 |
| oiaohm | CILAL looks crap. | Jul 10 14:21 |
| blankthemuffin | They all look crap when used in a single sentence. | Jul 10 14:21 |
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| oiaohm | Reason why I call CIL assembly and CLI bytecode its less confusing. | Jul 10 14:22 |
| oiaohm | And harder to stuff up with typo. | Jul 10 14:22 |
| oiaohm | The CLR missing is a major hole. | Jul 10 14:23 |
| blankthemuffin | CLI isn't bytecode | Jul 10 14:23 |
| blankthemuffin | The CLR isn't missing, it's not a standard. | Jul 10 14:23 |
| blankthemuffin | The CLR is an implementation of the CLI ( the standard which defines .NET ) | Jul 10 14:23 |
| oiaohm | CLR includes a lot that is not in the standards. | Jul 10 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Common Language Runtime. | Jul 10 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Its very much like have a C complier without any supporting libraries. | Jul 10 14:24 |
| blankthemuffin | no it isn't. | Jul 10 14:24 |
| blankthemuffin | The CLR is microsofts working implementation of the CLI. Mono does a lot more than the CLI defines too, Mono.SIMD for example. | Jul 10 14:25 |
| oiaohm | CLR includes lot of classes | Jul 10 14:28 |
| oiaohm | That are not part of CLI. | Jul 10 14:28 |
| blankthemuffin | Which is what I just said. <blankthemuffin> The CLR is microsofts working implementation of the CLI. Mono does a lot more than the CLI defines too, Mono.SIMD for example. | Jul 10 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Those classes cover operations that would normally be in with C like libc | Jul 10 14:29 |
| blankthemuffin | No they don't | Jul 10 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Basic file io. | Jul 10 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Basic system outputing. | Jul 10 14:30 |
| blankthemuffin | libc is totally insignificant compared to something like the CLI | Jul 10 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Yes they do. | Jul 10 14:30 |
| oiaohm | CLI documents don't cover a lot of classes. | Jul 10 14:31 |
| blankthemuffin | if they don't cover IO, what do they do? | Jul 10 14:31 |
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| oiaohm | Type system | Jul 10 14:33 |
| oiaohm | garbage collection. | Jul 10 14:33 |
| blankthemuffin | Partition IV: Profiles and Libraries – Provides an overview of the CLI Libraries, and a specification of their factoring into Profiles and Libraries. A companion file, CLILibrary.xml, considered to be part of this Partition, but distributed in XML format, provides details of each class, value type, and interface in the CLI Libraries. | Jul 10 14:34 |
| blankthemuffin | Standard ECMA-335 | Jul 10 14:34 |
| blankthemuffin | did you look through the xml file? | Jul 10 14:34 |
| oiaohm | That is how to describe exported and imported functions from a libraries | Jul 10 14:35 |
| blankthemuffin | "provides details of each class, value type, and interface in the CLI Libraries" | Jul 10 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie if making a library. | Jul 10 14:36 |
| oiaohm | You have all the information to make new parts. | Jul 10 14:37 |
| blankthemuffin | I think you should download the xml file :) | Jul 10 14:39 |
| blankthemuffin | http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/ECMA-335.zip in case you missed it. | Jul 10 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Ok ew | Jul 10 14:40 |
| oiaohm | The way this is defined matches no standard document I have dealth with before. | Jul 10 14:41 |
| blankthemuffin | It looks pretty sensible, keeps the standard document relatively clean, and allows people to easily parse the library definition, for testing, or stub generation or whatever. | Jul 10 14:42 |
| blankthemuffin | So ah, about that money we bet before oiaohm... :) | Jul 10 14:43 |
| oiaohm | I had been over those standards 4 times. | Jul 10 14:47 |
| oiaohm | And missed it. | Jul 10 14:47 |
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| rebgil | hey is there a channel for sco support type questions? | Jul 10 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | SCO? | Jul 10 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Is it still alive? | Jul 10 15:32 |
| schestowitz | it's a litigation firm that sells its actual assets. So for support you rely on other companies and no volunteers as they have none | Jul 10 15:32 |
| I saw one or two OpenServers eight years ago. They were better than their M$ replacements. Groklaw.net can tell you what happened. | Jul 10 15:33 | |
| schestowitz | Someone asks: "is this true .. ?" | Jul 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | " I picked Ubuntu as it seems the most popular (although Gentoo is my | Jul 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | favourite) and installed the system. | Jul 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | It went very well, straight forward really if you just accepted the | Jul 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | defaults (and overwrote your windows partition) and before long, I was | Jul 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | presented with my gnome desktop" | Jul 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/08/google_microsoft_phony_chrome_war/comments/ | Jul 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | This smells funny, I agree | Jul 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Love Gentoo, insinuates that Ubuntu will, by default, wipe Windows. | Jul 10 15:34 |
| PJ has a nice little summary of the SCO demise today. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090708223757362 | Jul 10 15:35 | |
| Funny thing about trolls is that they read all the free software sites before normal people do and come out spinning. | Jul 10 15:36 | |
| The people who harass me on Slashdot have read more of my writing than anyone else, and they organize it for later recall better than I do. | Jul 10 15:37 | |
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| Ng | schestowitz: the partitioning section has several options, erase the whole disk, or resize what's already there and I think the latter is the default | Jul 10 15:39 |
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| Ng | (as well as manual options, obviously) | Jul 10 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes, of course | Jul 10 15:41 |
| wallclimber | Hi Roy, welcome back! | Jul 10 15:43 |
| schestowitz | You too. You left first | Jul 10 15:43 |
| schestowitz | We were just done a couple of Linux exhibits :-) | Jul 10 15:43 |
| schestowitz | I got page 1 | Jul 10 15:44 |
| wallclimber | it's funny, the other day i was helping a friend install Ubuntu | Jul 10 15:44 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/px08604.pdf | Jul 10 15:44 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I helped some too | Jul 10 15:44 |
| wallclimber | and if i remember correctly, it did, indeed have the "use the entire disk" set as default | Jul 10 15:44 |
| wallclimber | I'm going to go try it again and see if i remembered right...back in a few | Jul 10 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jul 10 15:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Endeavour set for Saturday launch http://ping.fm/3iEMG | Jul 10 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | Hanging out with Open Solaris Guys < http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/hanging_out_with_open_solaris > | Jul 10 15:49 |
| schestowitz | ping wallclimber | Jul 10 15:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good news: seems like Norway's move to ODF is accompanied by Ogg adoption too. Two birds, one stone. | Jul 10 15:58 | |
| schestowitz | Our work also inspired this popular post: http://www.junauza.com/2009/07/5-reasons-why-microsoft-is-afraid-of.html | Jul 10 15:58 |
| desu | ◄BNc/#boycottnovell► [schestowitz] Good news: seems like Norway's move to ODF is accompanied by Ogg adoption too. Two birds, one stone. <--- can i get a link to the article, please? :) | Jul 10 16:01 |
| schestowitz | It's not in English | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Just a moment | Jul 10 16:02 |
| desu | okay | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | http://lodahl.blogspot.com/2009/07/norway-odf-is-in-ooxml-is-out.html | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | The Nordic folks linking to it mention Ogg repeatedly | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | I don't see it in Lahdel's (??) post though | Jul 10 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Lief | Jul 10 16:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Has anyone actually tried SoftMaker? http://ping.fm/ciRIK I heard it's used to FUD OOo with lies. | Jul 10 16:03 | |
| schestowitz | Not sure how informative this is (if at all): http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/07/01/vc-funding-for-open-source-up-and-down-in-q2/ | Jul 10 16:04 |
| desu | thank you :) | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Aslett has issues with ping.fm: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/07/06/451-caos-links-live-is-now-on-identica/ | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | He probably doesn't know that message lengths vary | Jul 10 16:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why should Microsoft comply with the law? Taking Kroes to dinner again is cheaper. http://ping.fm/Frj3b | Jul 10 16:13 | |
| wallclimber | sorry it tooks so long. I have two old windows machines sitting in the other room that need fixing, so i tried the ubu-jaunty live cd in each of them...live cds are sooooo slooow | Jul 10 16:14 |
| wallclimber | The first two didn't do well with the live cd...but that's why they are still here, they seem especially resistant to any efforts to run Linux...they are my "challenge" machines. :) | Jul 10 16:14 |
| wallclimber | However, the third computer I tried the live cd installation on did show "install them side by side" as the default option. | Jul 10 16:14 |
| wallclimber | i also spent time searching for my coffee cup...i set it down somewhere and then couldn't find it | Jul 10 16:15 |
| schestowitz | For me it was the opposite | Jul 10 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Madriva and PCLinux OS live CDs worked on 3 machines (other than my machines) that I tried them on | Jul 10 16:19 |
| schestowitz | On one machines I needed to skip a stage at startup to run Mandriva | Jul 10 16:19 |
| schestowitz | 2008.1 and 2009 | Jul 10 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Did you see http://www.junauza.com/2009/07/5-reasons-why-microsoft-is-afraid-of.html ? | Jul 10 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Something tells me it made Digg's FP or something. There are also trolls in there distracting from our finding that Gates calls Linux the #1 competitor | Jul 10 16:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Andrew Cuomo moves on from attacking USENET to attacking marketing scum. http://ping.fm/0Nm1R | Jul 10 16:23 | |
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| schestowitz | I've organised the Wiki exhibits some more < http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges >. These have proven valuable when mapping the past of Microsoft executives when they are discussed in the news. | Jul 10 16:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Drax protesters plead climate change cause to jury < http://ping.fm/1iLgC > | Jul 10 16:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] When Animal Rights Activists are sent to jail, then you know the Police State of insanely out of touch. http://ping.fm/zNcZw | Jul 10 16:33 | |
| schestowitz | reader: "BING the default search engine - I notice that BING has become the default search engine on this | Jul 10 16:35 |
| schestowitz | desktop crapware. It would be interesting to see how many MS.updates sneed thiso ut?" | Jul 10 16:35 |
| schestowitz | EU Commission must take a look at the desktop abuse to advance the MSN/Live biz. This is clearly abuse, but public backlash evokes no effective reaction | Jul 10 16:35 |
| wallclimber | lol...i wandered off again, still looking for my lost coffee cup...I'm sure it will show up later in some unexpected place. guess i better start work - phone's ringing already | Jul 10 16:36 |
| wallclimber | i'll email you. i'm ready to get started on comes again | Jul 10 16:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Join the call for a strong climate treaty! < http://ping.fm/8aEGp > | Jul 10 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... in paidcontent.org, when I arrive through Twitter the pages rarely load up properly. it either freezes or needs a refresh. It's a unique issue. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Venture-Capital Exits At Six-Year Low < http://paidcontent.org/article/419-venture-capital-liquidity-at-six-year-low/ > | Jul 10 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's puppet in India suffers too: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/07/10/infosys_warns/ | Jul 10 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Google Is Counting On Big-Name Partners For Chrome OS; HP, Lenovo, Qualcomm Among Others < http://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-is-counting-on-big-name-partners-for-chrome-os-hp-lenovo-qualcom/ > | Jul 10 16:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Quietly Kills Off Its Commentary Feature For News < http://ping.fm/MEDN6 > Has anyone ever used it at all? | Jul 10 16:43 | |
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| schestowitz | "As those involved in public policy issues know all too well, much of what happens in DC is driven (or at least heavily influenced) by lobbyists." http://techdirt.com/articles/20090701/1846205430.shtml | Jul 10 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Regarding paidContent.org Twitter Links, they can't figure it out. He says "Could you elaborate and/or possibly point to an example link from twitter that causes this behavior?" | Jul 10 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's Thunderbird... | Jul 10 16:52 |
| schestowitz | It applies to all links, on and off. It sort of hangs in Firefox 3.0 until the users reload. Opened from Thunderbird. 3.5 would be nice to use, but plugins have not been updated yet | Jul 10 16:53 |
| schestowitz | 2 Linux exhibits are left to do at top of: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux | Jul 10 16:55 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More trademark insanity: Use of name, logo in 'Big Love' angers University of Utah officials < http://ping.fm/23FF9 > | Jul 10 17:01 | |
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| schestowitz | BN just mentioned in this article about Mono: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6793/2/ | Jul 10 17:06 |
| schestowitz | So long CompuServe, nice to have known you < http://blogs.computerworld.com/so_long_compuserve_nice_to_have_known_you > - another one that refused to evolve then. | Jul 10 17:08 |
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| Eruaran | Well... I'm going to have to endure a torrent of abuse from a German customer tomorrow | Jul 10 17:11 |
| ThistleWeb | Eruaran: just pretend you don't understand German and smile | Jul 10 17:11 |
| ThistleWeb | works for me | Jul 10 17:11 |
| ThistleWeb | then again, I don't have to pretend | Jul 10 17:12 |
| Eruaran | Her notebook has Windows XP Home on it | Jul 10 17:12 |
| Eruaran | It was totally screwed by a virus | Jul 10 17:12 |
| Eruaran | That is not the problem though | Jul 10 17:12 |
| Eruaran | The problem is language support | Jul 10 17:12 |
| Eruaran | I find this absolutely unbelievable | Jul 10 17:13 |
| Eruaran | No multi language support for XP Home | Jul 10 17:13 |
| Eruaran | We cannot do a reinstall in German | Jul 10 17:13 |
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| Eruaran | Unless we install XP Pro | Jul 10 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | that's always struck me as odd, where a platform by one of the worlds richest corps has limited language support, specially since their greedy mits have forced it as the defacto standard the world over | Jul 10 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | where something like Ubuntu is very much multi-lingual | Jul 10 17:14 |
| Eruaran | She can only use the original disk which came with the notebook... which is in Germany | Jul 10 17:14 |
| Eruaran | Nothing short of disgraceful | Jul 10 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, they are cheap. | Jul 10 17:15 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft's attitude is that she has to buy XP Pro | Jul 10 17:15 |
| schestowitz | In some countries they made translation JUST because of Linux | Jul 10 17:15 |
| Eruaran | Yes | Jul 10 17:15 |
| schestowitz | No competition= total disregard for people | Jul 10 17:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess that's another example of "when there's no choice, they can treat you like shit" | Jul 10 17:15 |
| schestowitz | OOXML gives the finger to Arabic | Jul 10 17:15 |
| Eruaran | Of course with Linux, a different language is a few mouse clicks away, which is as it should be | Jul 10 17:15 |
| schestowitz | thenixedreport: RMS says it better | Jul 10 17:15 |
| ThistleWeb | not all linux is multi-lingual I noticed, it varies from distro to distro but I know Ubuntu are real big on it | Jul 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | "When support is a monopoly, no wonder support i bad" (not exact quote) | Jul 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | polyglots are volunteers | Jul 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | They can also improve and share.. it's like fonts and rivers | Jul 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | *drivers | Jul 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Watch how many langs wordpress supports compared to proprietary counterparts | Jul 10 17:17 |
| ThistleWeb | FOSS always has been about scratching an itch | Jul 10 17:18 |
| ThistleWeb | with a proprietary solution you have to ask them to do it, which they will only do if they can monetize it | Jul 10 17:19 |
| ThistleWeb | or if they think they'll lose a sale if they dont | Jul 10 17:19 |
| ThistleWeb | sure, you want Ducth support, that'll be another £300 onto the price | Jul 10 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Shareholders first | Jul 10 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Customers are are as important to shareholders as PR or ROI | Jul 10 17:20 |
| schestowitz | No backlash, no facilitation of need | Jul 10 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Incan langs got some support after Linux became popular in Peru | Jul 10 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Firefox is strong with African langs | Jul 10 17:21 |
| ThistleWeb | I have noticed the native language angle is a strong one for non-English speaking countries switching to FOSS, either Linux / BSD / OpenOffice etc | Jul 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Windows is big in En-speaking countries | Jul 10 17:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] North Korea a suspect in cyber attacks in US < http://ping.fm/SvwKS > It's easy when XP is used and routinely becomes part of botnets. | Jul 10 17:22 | |
| schestowitz | UK, Aussie, Canada, US, but not so much SA | Jul 10 17:22 |
| ThistleWeb | Nepal have FOSS stuff in schools for heir kids, and native language was a HUGE deal sealer | Jul 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | SA was a victim of Imperialism until not long ago and it's multi-cultural and lingual | Jul 10 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | many countries are multi-lingual, we brits are a tad behind in that score | Jul 10 17:23 |
| schestowitz | MS loves measuring Linux usage in the English-speaking world | Jul 10 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | kids learn their native tongue AND english | Jul 10 17:23 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: well behind | Jul 10 17:23 |
| schestowitz | USians usually learn Spanish | Jul 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Spanish-speaking Americans will outnumber the rest one day :-D | Jul 10 17:24 |
| ThistleWeb | we learn english.....and for those times on holiday when the locals dont understand, LOUDER ENGLISH, complete with an impromtu arm waving game | Jul 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jul 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz | And expect others to do so too | Jul 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz | As in, those who can't speak English well are, well... idiots | Jul 10 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | I've never done that personally, but I know a lot who do | Jul 10 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Never mind if they speak more than one language | Jul 10 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Had China spread its language all over the place Brits would be forced to learn another language before going abroad | Jul 10 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | the way I see it, is that if I'm in someone elses country it's up to ME to try and communicate with them | Jul 10 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe sign launguage :-[) | Jul 10 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Just the arm waving gam | Jul 10 17:25 |
| schestowitz | *game | Jul 10 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, gimmie-a-clue works in all languages | Jul 10 17:26 |
| ThistleWeb | kinda | Jul 10 17:26 |
| ThistleWeb | it always impresses me when people can communicate effortlessly in multiple languages, accent or not | Jul 10 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | damn Eurpoeans | Jul 10 17:28 |
| Balrog_ | grrr | Jul 10 17:28 |
| Balrog_ | how to deal with these people who port GPL code then charge for it and don't provide src? | Jul 10 17:29 |
| ThistleWeb | nowt wrong with charging for it | Jul 10 17:29 |
| ThistleWeb | but they're in violation without providing the source | Jul 10 17:29 |
| Balrog_ | yeah true | Jul 10 17:29 |
| Balrog_ | they also threaten to put on DRM if people redistribute the binary | Jul 10 17:30 |
| ThistleWeb | which is also a violation | Jul 10 17:30 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | Jul 10 17:30 |
| ThistleWeb | as the gpl must pass the same rights on | Jul 10 17:30 |
| ThistleWeb | methinks they saw a short cut to money and thought the gpl was where a womans knicker line was showing | Jul 10 17:31 |
| ThistleWeb | seems that they picked the wrong licenced software to sell | Jul 10 17:31 |
| Balrog_ | originally it was free | Jul 10 17:32 |
| Balrog_ | now they're charging | Jul 10 17:32 |
| Balrog_ | (foss that was) | Jul 10 17:32 |
| ThistleWeb | or are have been duped into thinking the GPL is a nothing licence | Jul 10 17:32 |
| Balrog_ | they avoid gpl questions | Jul 10 17:32 |
| Balrog_ | bb; | Jul 10 17:32 |
| Balrog_ | bbl * | Jul 10 17:32 |
| ThistleWeb | email them, tell them where they violate | Jul 10 17:32 |
| ThistleWeb | in a similar vein, I wonder how many peeps buy xchat for windows | Jul 10 17:33 |
| ThistleWeb | it's free of charge on linux, but since the devs all work on linux, and it's a chore for them to step outside of that to offer it on windows, they charge for it | Jul 10 17:35 |
| ThistleWeb | but there's another site offering free of charge windows xchat .exe files | Jul 10 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Some people sell Ubuntu and OOo | Jul 10 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Perfectly legal | Jul 10 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Some will pay for the convenience eveb | Jul 10 17:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Emma Watson in black leather "most important news in world" http://notnews.today.com/?p=558 | Jul 10 17:36 | |
| ThistleWeb | yeah it's legal | Jul 10 17:36 |
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| Omar87 | Hi Guys | Jul 10 17:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Palm Pre is a Linux phone that plays nice with GNU/Linux Desktops, for a change http://ping.fm/Qsvb2 | Jul 10 17:43 | |
| ThistleWeb | hey Omar87 | Jul 10 17:43 |
| Omar87 | Check out the CNN interview with Chris Pirillo regarding Google v. MS: http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1 | Jul 10 17:44 |
| Omar87 | It's live | Jul 10 17:44 |
| schestowitz | David Coursey is attacking Google again | Jul 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz | It's a Microsoft shill | Jul 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: he's with MS | Jul 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz | But even Thurrot wakes up a bit | Jul 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz | They know MS lowers the price and hangs on to straws | Jul 10 17:49 |
| ThistleWeb | you can install MS on straws now? I thought that was a BSD speciality | Jul 10 17:50 |
| ThistleWeb | are they never satisfied to leave a niche market to others? | Jul 10 17:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: How many times do I have to repeat it for you Roy? | Jul 10 17:51 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: "Keep your friends close.. and your foes...." | Jul 10 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, I know. | Jul 10 17:59 |
| schestowitz | But I let the Windows people follow his words | Jul 10 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I would rather watch those with exposure to Linux | Jul 10 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Where is Hubert from? http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2009/07/03/676-half-a-decade | Jul 10 18:00 |
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| Ng | schestowitz: I think he's french | Jul 10 18:03 |
| Ng | I think the clue is in the name of the blog ;) | Jul 10 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boston.com/jobs/news/jobdoc/2009/07/q_getting_peoples_attention_wh.html "If we all standardized on ODF (Open Document Format) such that we weren't beholden to Microsoft's MONOPOLY we would not have compatibility problems. OpenOffice.org Free, does 95% of Microsoft's bloated, expensive office suite" | Jul 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Ng: yes, I thought so | Jul 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | But trmanco said he was Canadian like him, so I thought he was French-Canadian, well... which I guess in a way he is | Jul 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | I was in Motreal 6 years ago. Some people there don't understand English at all. | Jul 10 18:11 |
| Ng | used to work for novell | Jul 10 18:11 |
| schestowitz | *Montreal | Jul 10 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Novell has operations in Canada. Headed by Ross C IIRC | Jul 10 18:11 |
| Ng | afair he got laid off and then kicked off gnote | Jul 10 18:11 |
| Ng | so I'm sure he's not bitter ;) | Jul 10 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Actually they had massive shuffles there in 2008 | Jul 10 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Novell Canada --like SA -- is a mess | Jul 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Ng: I\m preparing a long post about gnote and Mono | Jul 10 18:12 |
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| Ng | haha, interesting backwards nick there desu ;) | Jul 10 18:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: You can't special order awesome. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/10455.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/524166.html | Jul 10 18:14 | |
| _Hicham_ | Ubuntu will have banshee in 9.10 | Jul 10 18:15 |
| _Hicham_ | Ubuntu is also the dark side schestowitz, isn't it? | Jul 10 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: any link? | Jul 10 18:23 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Ubuntu's manager is from Microsoft | Jul 10 18:23 |
| schestowitz | They got poisoned. | Jul 10 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Incompetent recruiters who think that Canonical would do well if it becomes 'another Microsoft'. Kind of like Apple the wannebe. | Jul 10 18:24 |
| Ng | one of the managers | Jul 10 18:25 |
| Ng | I really think you should meet Rick and find out about him before you suggest he is poison | Jul 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | IBM falls for the Ubuntu bait: http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3733 | Jul 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Didn't Sutor say he didn't like Mono..? | Jul 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3739 | Jul 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3746 | Jul 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | IBM doesn't need to worry | Jul 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | It has software patents | Jul 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | it cross-licenses with Microsoft | Jul 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Ng: Nothing to do with "nice" | Jul 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | All to do with PREFERENCE :-) | Jul 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | He came from .NET | Jul 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | He puts .NET in Linux | Jul 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Simple fact | Jul 10 18:27 |
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| Ng | schestowitz: not at all | Jul 10 18:27 |
| Ng | schestowitz: mono apps have been in ubuntu for *years* | Jul 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Repos | Jul 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | And mostly tomboy | Jul 10 18:28 |
| Ng | tomboy and f-spot | Jul 10 18:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3730 | Jul 10 18:28 |
| schestowitz | f-spot came in 2007 or 2006? | Jul 10 18:28 |
| Ng | dapper (2006.06) had neither, so sometime since then. I don't have quick access to the packages to check the dependencies | Jul 10 18:31 |
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| seller_liar | hello | Jul 10 18:31 |
| Ng | (I mean as dependencies of ubuntu-desktop - ie in the default install) | Jul 10 18:31 |
| seller_liar | someone can move all criticisms to criticism tab? | Jul 10 18:32 |
| seller_liar | in mono applications section on wiki | Jul 10 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | hey, seller_liar | Jul 10 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I have a questio | Jul 10 18:34 |
| seller_liar | hello roy | Jul 10 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Did you set up a page in the Wiki where you discussed a project under community "something"? I can't recall where it is | Jul 10 18:35 |
| Ng | looks to me like edgy made tomboy and f-spot part of the default install, which was October 2006, but it might have been feisty in which case it's April 2007 | Jul 10 18:35 |
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| seller_liar | tell | Jul 10 18:35 |
| Ng | either way it seems like a couple of years | Jul 10 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Ng: they also knew less about Mono at the time | Jul 10 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, new tab would be good | Jul 10 18:36 |
| Ng | schestowitz: perhaps, but the decision to keep it or kick it out isn't Rick's | Jul 10 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I kniw | Jul 10 18:37 |
| schestowitz | *know | Jul 10 18:37 |
| seller_liar | And we need to move "api domination" and "bad licences" to general criticism | Jul 10 18:37 |
| seller_liar | because all mono apps is a risk for unix api | Jul 10 18:38 |
| Ng | schestowitz: and yet you say "He came from .NET. He puts .NET in Linux. Simple fact" | Jul 10 18:38 |
| schestowitz | New: http://innovate.direct.gov.uk/ | Jul 10 18:39 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: another tab would help | Jul 10 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Ng: Banshee | Jul 10 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Though there's a group invoolved | Jul 10 18:40 |
| seller_liar | yes of course, but I dont know how to do | Jul 10 18:40 |
| schestowitz | From Shields to others in Canonical who accept it | Jul 10 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK, wait. | Jul 10 18:40 |
| schestowitz | You still edit? | Jul 10 18:41 |
| seller_liar | yes, but not much these days | Jul 10 18:41 |
| Ng | schestowitz: banshee has been proposed by various people to replace rhythmbox in the default install for several UDSs now, longer than Rick has been working for Canonical, and each time there is a session that debates it and compares the features and only recently has it met enough of the required features to be possible | Jul 10 18:41 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: wait | Jul 10 18:41 |
| seller_liar | ok | Jul 10 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: try now http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono_Applications | Jul 10 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm done editing | Jul 10 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Oh, remove "Criticism:" in 4 places | Jul 10 18:46 |
| schestowitz | It says it at the top row | Jul 10 18:46 |
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| seller_liar | thanks | Jul 10 18:46 |
| seller_liar | ok | Jul 10 18:46 |
| schestowitz | US and Russia agree nuclear disarmament road map < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/06/obama-medvedev-nuclear-weapons-disarmament > | Jul 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: this might endanger Brazil's forests: Tackling Climate Change by Saving Forests < http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/010082.html > | Jul 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Logging giants 'helping' the economy with patents (drugs etc) in exchange for natural resources | Jul 10 18:49 |
| seller_liar | Yes,this is very sad | Jul 10 18:50 |
| seller_liar | We dont hae good security against patent hunters in amazon | Jul 10 18:50 |
| trmanco | hey schestowitz how you doin? | Jul 10 18:51 |
| trmanco | you're back, finally :-) | Jul 10 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, since yesterday | Jul 10 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Thunderbird prompt clogged up updates | Jul 10 18:52 |
| seller_liar | And the big thing is most of patent hunter comes from europe and USA | Jul 10 18:52 |
| trmanco | but you are still set as away | Jul 10 18:52 |
| schestowitz | So I need to manually scan the Web. | Jul 10 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I'll do more links in a moment. | Jul 10 18:52 |
| seller_liar | is not brazilian people | Jul 10 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft keeps falling, so it's getting to be enjoyable to watch | Jul 10 18:52 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no, set as away earlier when I was at the gym | Jul 10 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Also did the housing contract this afternoon | Jul 10 18:53 |
| schestowitz | [Should be able to finish Comes] | Jul 10 18:53 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: G8 agrees to climate targets despite differences with developing nations < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/08/g8-climate-carbon-emission-targets > | Jul 10 18:53 |
| seller_liar | yes,because developing countries is the dump of developed countries | Jul 10 18:54 |
| seller_liar | for example ,some days ago brazil collects all old tires of developed countries | Jul 10 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Africa takes toxins | Jul 10 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Old computers and stuff | Jul 10 18:55 |
| seller_liar | and companies of developed countries tries to escape from crisis installing sectors in developing countries | Jul 10 18:55 |
| schestowitz | It's disguised as 'donations' of computers (garbage) | Jul 10 18:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US police warn that threat of rightwing extremism on rise amid recession < http://ping.fm/5L8D8 > Expected... | Jul 10 18:55 | |
| trmanco | ah ok | Jul 10 18:55 |
| seller_liar | yes, africa is even worst | Jul 10 18:56 |
| schestowitz | But Africa is huge | Jul 10 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Big land fill | Jul 10 18:56 |
| seller_liar | africa = garbage collector of rich nations | Jul 10 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Cellphones annoy me too. Used excessively in public transportation | Jul 10 18:56 |
| schestowitz | At end of life they too end up in Africa | Jul 10 18:57 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: well, used to be slaves warehouse | Jul 10 18:57 |
| schestowitz | China too to the degree that they kept only those physically able to build the rail system for American-Europeans | Jul 10 18:57 |
| seller_liar | the big problem in brazil is the excessive use of cellphones | Jul 10 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Nations built through slavery | Jul 10 18:57 |
| seller_liar | even poor people in brazil have a cellphone here | Jul 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | More brain tumour, eh? | Jul 10 18:58 |
| seller_liar | and there are a lot of taxes here | Jul 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Stock markets used to be popular among everyone | Jul 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | When it only went one way | Jul 10 18:58 |
| seller_liar | here a lot of people have 2 or more cellphones | Jul 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | But then FrausStreet showed were it really deserved to fo | Jul 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | *go | Jul 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | [unless you were among those with inside information, as always] | Jul 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Cellphones are good | Jul 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | [for surveillance] | Jul 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | GPSing and communications trail | Jul 10 18:59 |
| seller_liar | and the biggest worst thing is .... | Jul 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | People talk via antennas with logs, not face to face | Jul 10 18:59 |
| seller_liar | all cellphones in the world are proprietary | Jul 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | It makes for nice keeping of one's beehive | Jul 10 19:00 |
| seller_liar | lg, nokia, sony and others | Jul 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | But it's kept low-profile | Jul 10 19:00 |
| seller_liar | people does not worry about gps-tracking, lack of privacity and other dangers for society | Jul 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK the US base in Yorkshire is said to log all trans-Atlantic E-mail | Jul 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | CCTV+cellphone=win (for 'Big Brother') | Jul 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | The phones are the 'licence plates' | Jul 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | So RFID becomes negligible if all people can be pressured to carry and keep connected a phone | Jul 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Who needs ID cards? :-) | Jul 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Your ID number is in your SIM card :-D | Jul 10 19:02 |
| seller_liar | cellphone should be never a necessity | Jul 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | They aren't | Jul 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Humanity functioned long before them | Jul 10 19:02 |
| seller_liar | yes they are | Jul 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I quit them. | Jul 10 19:02 |
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| seller_liar | some companies force us to have a phone | Jul 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | People can be pressured to use them though | Jul 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | For example lack of land lines | Jul 10 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Or no phones on the streets, in the airports, etc. | Jul 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Like replacement of analog with digital, deprecation through planned obsolescence. | Jul 10 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Good luck finding a new CRT these days... those good ones with 2000 pixels in width | Jul 10 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Hard to believe RMS commends Obama for a change (on something): http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#9%20July%202009%20%28Obama%27s%20criticisms%20of%20Russian%20policies%20are%20right%20on%20target.%29 | Jul 10 19:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/obama-russia-first-trip "US president goes on first trip to Russia and calls on Moscow to stop viewing America as an enemy" | Jul 10 19:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Medvedev Shows Off Sample Coin of New ‘World Currency’ at G-8 http://bit.ly/17Ji8a | Jul 10 19:08 | |
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| schestowitz | What's this from the man for whom Microsoft bought lunch? http://www.sdtimes.com/link/33597 | Jul 10 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Now he's in the Microsoft camp promoting Mono poison as well? | Jul 10 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | I tell them that they violate | Jul 10 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | others do | Jul 10 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | they disregard | Jul 10 19:17 |
| schestowitz | The Desktop is to be Dapper No More < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/desktop-be-dapper-no-more > Nice to know it lived this long :-) | Jul 10 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: Ubuntu?? | Jul 10 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Under Attack on Multiple Fronts http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=333 | Jul 10 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Internet Keeps Growing - And Getting Faster, Too < http://www.internetnews.com/stats/article.php/3829076 > It would be better had it not been for Windows zombie traffic | Jul 10 19:23 |
| Balrog_ | no not ubuntu | Jul 10 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | The GNOME trolls are attacking RMS now. http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/emailing-richard-stallman.html http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/good-gcds-beginning-with-significant.html | Jul 10 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed me this: "This tops it: Your groupie Schlesinger." | Jul 10 19:39 |
| schestowitz | "What would Dr Freud tell us about the sexual connotations of GNOME?" | Jul 10 19:39 |
| Balrog_ | they say 'oh you want the source because you want to "pirate" the app' | Jul 10 19:44 |
| schestowitz | They are substituting the "GNU" in "GNU Linux" with "Microsoft" | Jul 10 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Letter to the Hobbyists 2.0 | Jul 10 19:45 |
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| _Hicham_ | vive dailymotion | Jul 10 20:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Could RMS really have said that he has the total right to directly criticize religion? If those e-mails in the blog post were totally real and not just a lie, then RMS is a really huge pile rudeness and shamelessness, no offense. | Jul 10 20:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Could that be real? | Jul 10 20:11 |
| Balrog_ | Omar87: where? | Jul 10 20:11 |
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| Omar87 | http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/emailing-richard-stallman.htm | Jul 10 20:11 |
| Omar87 | Check out RMS's response: "However, freedom of religion the freedom to criticize religious views. No human views are off limits to criticism, or joking. People have a right to criticize religion directly, or to ridicule it harshly." | Jul 10 20:12 |
| Balrog_ | Omar87: bad URL | Jul 10 20:12 |
| Omar87 | Balrog_: It's the same as Roy's first URL. | Jul 10 20:13 |
| Omar87 | If RMS trully said that line himself, then I must say that I trully disrespect him. >< | Jul 10 20:14 |
| Omar87 | Balrog_: Maybe some Christians have no problem with it. But as a Muslim, I can say that no real Muslim would stand hearing anyone mocking his beliefs and not tell him to back off. However, I'm speaking about religion in general hear, regardless what it is. | Jul 10 20:16 |
| schestowitz | RMS dislikes censorship, so although he does not criticise things harshly (he discourages this), he does not prevent others from doing so | Jul 10 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Look up "stallman censorship" | Jul 10 20:17 |
| schestowitz | The issue is one of free expression | Jul 10 20:17 |
| schestowitz | For example: | Jul 10 20:17 |
| Omar87 | I understand. | Jul 10 20:17 |
| schestowitz | You cannot be locked up for suggesting you disagree with some regime | Jul 10 20:17 |
| schestowitz | As you know, he is critical of the US and UK government's foreign policies | Jul 10 20:17 |
| Omar87 | But I believe what RMS has missed is that Freedom should end where other people get hurt. | Jul 10 20:18 |
| schestowitz | In some places it's classified as "terrorism" and he can be jailed for it | Jul 10 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: indeed | Jul 10 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a complicated subject | Jul 10 20:18 |
| schestowitz | See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doKkOSMaTk4&NR=1 | Jul 10 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Suppression vs offense | Jul 10 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Make Like a Dolphin: Learn Echolocation < http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/echolocation/ > | Jul 10 20:21 |
| schestowitz | WTF?? Police Suggest Tomlinson Cop Could Be Fake < http://londonist.com/2009/07/police_suggest_tomlinson_cop_could.php > | Jul 10 20:22 |
| schestowitz | China Gives Up on Green Dam, People Celebrate http://mashable.com/2009/07/01/china-green-dam-celebration/ | Jul 10 20:22 |
| schestowitz | New site: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ | Jul 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Subsite/planet | Jul 10 20:23 |
| Balrog_ | Omar87: the doctrine of the "Virgin Mary" is not really biblical to begin with ... virgin birth [of Jesus], yes | Jul 10 20:28 |
| Balrog_ | it's a Catholic (and related) doctrine | Jul 10 20:28 |
| Balrog_ | but disrespect is not good | Jul 10 20:28 |
| Omar87 | Balrog_: True. I'm actually a Muslim btw. | Jul 10 20:29 |
| Balrog_ | I saw. | Jul 10 20:29 |
| Balrog_ | I'm just stating it because that's what RMS's purported emails refer to | Jul 10 20:30 |
| Omar87 | Yeah. | Jul 10 20:30 |
| Omar87 | I agree. He thinks that being a non-believer gives him legal access into other people's beliefs. As a part of his so-called "Freedom of expression", and this is not true. | Jul 10 20:31 |
| Balrog_ | also, I don't consider RMS someone with much, if any, experience on those topics | Jul 10 20:31 |
| Omar87 | Balrog_: Neither do I. | Jul 10 20:32 |
| Balrog_ | his main area of expertise has to deal with free software / etc (i.e. GNU related) | Jul 10 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Online Privacy Bill May Mark the Premature Death of the Semantic Web < http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/07/09/online-privacy-bill-may-mark-the-premature-death-of-the-semantic-web/ > | Jul 10 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: that same story propagates in many doctrines | Jul 10 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Just different names | Jul 10 20:36 |
| schestowitz | A saint always born by a virgin of some sort | Jul 10 20:36 |
| schestowitz | There are variations | Jul 10 20:36 |
| schestowitz | And prior to print and after many generations it become hearsay dependent. | Jul 10 20:36 |
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| trmanco | hi wispygalaxy | Jul 10 20:39 |
| wispygalaxy | hi everyone! | Jul 10 20:39 |
| wispygalaxy | heyyy tony :D | Jul 10 20:39 |
| wispygalaxy | what's up? | Jul 10 20:39 |
| trmanco | reading the news, and you? | Jul 10 20:40 |
| wispygalaxy | same here | Jul 10 20:40 |
| trmanco | :-) | Jul 10 20:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm reading stuff on chrome os | Jul 10 20:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm very interested in it, might even buy a netbook with it | Jul 10 20:40 |
| trmanco | great | Jul 10 20:40 |
| wispygalaxy | but i'm still happy with debian | Jul 10 20:41 |
| wispygalaxy | it's been nice to me so far ;) | Jul 10 20:41 |
| wispygalaxy | is roy here? | Jul 10 20:41 |
| wispygalaxy | i haven't talked with him in so long | Jul 10 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 10 20:41 |
| wispygalaxy | hi roy! :) | Jul 10 20:41 |
| wispygalaxy | how was your trip? | Jul 10 20:41 |
| schestowitz | All right | Jul 10 20:42 |
| wispygalaxy | where did you go? | Jul 10 20:42 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Jul 10 20:42 |
| schestowitz | The thing is that it requires catching up | Jul 10 20:42 |
| trmanco | I'm planning to buy a linux netbook soon | Jul 10 20:42 |
| schestowitz | And... | Jul 10 20:42 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: go for ARM | Jul 10 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Not S**tel | Jul 10 20:42 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yes, I will | Jul 10 20:42 |
| wispygalaxy | i agree roy, ARM is gonna be good | Jul 10 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Lasts longer too | Jul 10 20:42 |
| wispygalaxy | i want a netbook also, tony, and i'm tired of my huge laptop | Jul 10 20:42 |
| wispygalaxy | really roy? | Jul 10 20:42 |
| trmanco | it sure does | Jul 10 20:42 |
| schestowitz | x86 is for whiners who run universal .exe | Jul 10 20:42 |
| wispygalaxy | hehe | Jul 10 20:42 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 10 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | ok | Jul 10 20:43 |
| trmanco | I'm tired of my giant desktop :-P | Jul 10 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | i haven't used a desktop extensively for two years | Jul 10 20:43 |
| trmanco | cool | Jul 10 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | my family has a desktop, but i have my laptop | Jul 10 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | i have no use for it | Jul 10 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | i even don't use the school desktops that much at all | Jul 10 20:43 |
| trmanco | I would say that I will buy an ARM netbook in a year or so | Jul 10 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll get one in 1-2 years | Jul 10 20:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm waiting for this laptop to be obsolete :P | Jul 10 20:44 |
| trmanco | nice | Jul 10 20:44 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 10 20:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Judge Invalidates Software Patent, Citing Bilski http://ping.fm/R9WmU | Jul 10 20:44 | |
| wispygalaxy | i only have 10 GB left on this laptop- it has 200 GB of space | Jul 10 20:44 |
| wispygalaxy | XD | Jul 10 20:45 |
| trmanco | wow | Jul 10 20:45 |
| wispygalaxy | so i definitely need more space, maybe an external drive | Jul 10 20:45 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, i have videos on here | Jul 10 20:45 |
| trmanco | I have 3 hd's | Jul 10 20:45 |
| wispygalaxy | i need a 2nd one! | Jul 10 20:45 |
| trmanco | none of them have 200 GB ... | Jul 10 20:45 |
| wispygalaxy | i think storage is cheap these days | Jul 10 20:46 |
| trmanco | yes, ram too | Jul 10 20:46 |
| wispygalaxy | but i still don't have it lol | Jul 10 20:46 |
| wispygalaxy | i haven't got around to buying it | Jul 10 20:46 |
| wispygalaxy | i only have 2 GB RAM | Jul 10 20:46 |
| wispygalaxy | debian is fine with it, of course! | Jul 10 20:46 |
| trmanco | what? -> "Improve performance of dragged tab renderering. | Jul 10 20:47 |
| trmanco | Do as much as possible server side. | Jul 10 20:47 |
| trmanco | " | Jul 10 20:47 |
| trmanco | I only have one | Jul 10 20:47 |
| wispygalaxy | one of what | Jul 10 20:47 |
| wispygalaxy | sry | Jul 10 20:47 |
| trmanco | 1 GB ram | Jul 10 20:48 |
| wispygalaxy | ah i see | Jul 10 20:48 |
| Balrog_ | hi wispygalaxy | Jul 10 20:48 |
| wispygalaxy | my sis has 4 for her laptop | Jul 10 20:48 |
| trmanco | ah, "server side" is Xserver side | Jul 10 20:48 |
| wispygalaxy | hi balrog! | Jul 10 20:48 |
| wispygalaxy | how are you today? | Jul 10 20:48 |
| trmanco | that is a commit message from chromium | Jul 10 20:48 |
| wispygalaxy | interesting | Jul 10 20:48 |
| Balrog_ | ok, though I'm doing two back to back math courses this summer session | Jul 10 20:48 |
| wispygalaxy | good for you :) | Jul 10 20:49 |
| wispygalaxy | knowledge is power~! | Jul 10 20:49 |
| wispygalaxy | is is calc stuff? | Jul 10 20:49 |
| Balrog_ | and a lot of work | Jul 10 20:49 |
| Balrog_ | yes | Jul 10 20:49 |
| Balrog_ | multivariable calc and differential equations | Jul 10 20:49 |
| wispygalaxy | good luck :D | Jul 10 20:49 |
| Balrog_ | thx | Jul 10 20:49 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad did some of that | Jul 10 20:49 |
| wispygalaxy | np ;) | Jul 10 20:49 |
| Balrog_ | lol | Jul 10 20:49 |
| wispygalaxy | yep, he's a mech engineer | Jul 10 20:50 |
| Balrog_ | I'm tired of gpl violators who complain about people 'pirating' their [gpl-derived] software and threten to put drm on it :X | Jul 10 20:50 |
| Balrog_ | but those exist :( | Jul 10 20:50 |
| wispygalaxy | hmmm who is doing that | Jul 10 20:50 |
| wispygalaxy | drm is bad :( | Jul 10 20:51 |
| Balrog_ | brb | Jul 10 20:51 |
| wispygalaxy | ok | Jul 10 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Orange just dumped DRM | Jul 10 20:53 |
| schestowitz | It's in the news | Jul 10 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I'll post some more news to COLA | Jul 10 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Still lots of catchup to do. | Jul 10 20:53 |
| wispygalaxy | you are a busy bee today roy ;) | Jul 10 20:54 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm reading COLA now | Jul 10 20:54 |
| wispygalaxy | congrats to orange! | Jul 10 20:55 |
| trmanco | whch Orange? | Jul 10 20:55 |
| trmanco | Orange UK? | Jul 10 20:55 |
| wispygalaxy | UK i think | Jul 10 20:55 |
| trmanco | hmm | Jul 10 20:56 |
| wispygalaxy | http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i42f2b2f43cf6c3807089a54118abdfd0 | Jul 10 20:56 |
| wispygalaxy | it says here | Jul 10 20:56 |
| trmanco | wow | Jul 10 20:57 |
| trmanco | free music | Jul 10 20:57 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, I want to see what was missed | Jul 10 20:58 |
| wispygalaxy | what a deal! | Jul 10 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Freedom still winning, so the opposition is cheating | Jul 10 20:58 |
| wispygalaxy | it was a bit quieter when you were gone, roy | Jul 10 20:58 |
| schestowitz | The old cycle pretty much | Jul 10 20:58 |
| wispygalaxy | awww :( | Jul 10 20:58 |
| schestowitz | People strive to get shackles off, elites pass some new laws | Jul 10 20:58 |
| wispygalaxy | obama is helping out with that :( | Jul 10 20:58 |
| schestowitz | So lobbyists, liars (TEs) and other nasties like presidents in BillG's pocket need to be exposed to the public | Jul 10 20:58 |
| wispygalaxy | MS donated a lot to Obama | Jul 10 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 10 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Not just MS | Jul 10 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Also the Ballmers and Gateses and Smith | Jul 10 20:59 |
| wispygalaxy | tsk | Jul 10 20:59 |
| schestowitz | They pay him personally too | Jul 10 20:59 |
| wispygalaxy | bribery! | Jul 10 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Noooooooo....... | Jul 10 20:59 |
| schestowitz | It's err... donation | Jul 10 20:59 |
| schestowitz | For poor Obama | Jul 10 21:00 |
| wispygalaxy | yes haha | Jul 10 21:00 |
| schestowitz | He grew up in the hoooowad! | Jul 10 21:00 |
| wispygalaxy | lol! | Jul 10 21:00 |
| schestowitz | So Melinda will buy Michella and B. some dinner | Jul 10 21:00 |
| schestowitz | And in return.. | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Well, Obama can buy some vaccines | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | But... | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Only from the pharmas Billie her husband invested $2.2bn in | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | This way he gets the money from all the drug patents | Jul 10 21:01 |
| wispygalaxy | the gates foundation is involed in scams, i see | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Hey, check this out... from the news: | Jul 10 21:01 |
| wispygalaxy | patents are bad | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/07/this-could-save-many-lives-lets-patent.html | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww! | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | What a nice guy | Jul 10 21:01 |
| schestowitz | :-D :-D | Jul 10 21:01 |
| wispygalaxy | thx for the link | Jul 10 21:02 |
| wispygalaxy | haha!! | Jul 10 21:02 |
| wispygalaxy | FTA: if he really cared about saving lives, then he would make it free | Jul 10 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | he experiments | Jul 10 21:04 |
| trmanco | lol | Jul 10 21:04 |
| schestowitz | How to be seen as MotherTerese2.0 while making money | Jul 10 21:04 |
| schestowitz | *sa | Jul 10 21:04 |
| schestowitz | You know who else experimented? | Jul 10 21:05 |
| wispygalaxy | hippies | Jul 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | David Rockerfeller. | Jul 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | It was a great success | Jul 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | One of the filthiest exploiter is hailed as a builder of the States | Jul 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | *ters | Jul 10 21:05 |
| wispygalaxy | that is terrible | Jul 10 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Well, they don't have their censorship (press gateway) anymore, so people deserve to realise HowStuffWorks | Jul 10 21:06 |
| wispygalaxy | one rockefeller is trying to pass a bill that will create the office of the national cybersecurity adviser | Jul 10 21:07 |
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| Balrog_ | hi again | Jul 10 21:08 |
| wispygalaxy | hello there! | Jul 10 21:08 |
| wispygalaxy | roy's here | Jul 10 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Just duck or dodge attempts to vilify messengers, who are pressured in hope that they will match the conviction :-p | Jul 10 21:08 |
| Balrog_ | yeah I see | Jul 10 21:08 |
| *schestowitz listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24rWZjPTHG4&feature=related | Jul 10 21:08 | |
| wispygalaxy | lemme listen to that | Jul 10 21:09 |
| tacone | Nice they make community promises while I'm on vacation | Jul 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | The Bird and the Bee have some nice original tunes and renditions. Very average voice and all, but modesty has its merits. I hare glamour 'artists' | Jul 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | tacone: ha | Jul 10 21:09 |
| Balrog_ | heh ... community promises that disallow modifications of any sort | Jul 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | You too? | Jul 10 21:09 |
| wispygalaxy | i kinda like the haircut of the girl in the video | Jul 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, it's a farce. Big post coming soon. | Jul 10 21:09 |
| tacone | Yup. I'm in France | Jul 10 21:10 |
| Balrog_ | and only cover teh ecma portions of the spec | Jul 10 21:10 |
| Balrog_ | the * | Jul 10 21:10 |
| Balrog_ | which should be royalty-free anyway | Jul 10 21:10 |
| tacone | Better than nothing anyway | Jul 10 21:10 |
| wispygalaxy | sounds good, roy | Jul 10 21:10 |
| tacone | Miguel announced they will split mono in safe and non safe | Jul 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | tacone: so we were right all along | Jul 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | As I said, MS shows patents are there | Jul 10 21:11 |
| schestowitz | But they love us! | Jul 10 21:11 |
| wispygalaxy | roy knew it! | Jul 10 21:11 |
| schestowitz | So much that they would not sue us | Jul 10 21:11 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't want the dark cloud of being sued over my head, so i don't use mono | Jul 10 21:11 |
| wispygalaxy | sry mono guys | Jul 10 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I know my parents loved me when they said, "Roy, we won't sue you if you stay in the kitchen" | Jul 10 21:11 |
| Balrog_ | all I use mono for it to run windows only apps | Jul 10 21:11 |
| schestowitz | All the MS bloggers celebrate | Jul 10 21:12 |
| Balrog_ | same thing I use wine for | Jul 10 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Mary Jo Foley & Ilk | Jul 10 21:12 |
| schestowitz | They LOVE mono | Jul 10 21:12 |
| wispygalaxy | i use it in pasta :P | Jul 10 21:12 |
| schestowitz | W-E must be telling them to spread the word | Jul 10 21:12 |
| tacone | Nice up shields used the news to bash yet another time the anti mono | Jul 10 21:12 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, 'safe' and non-safe | Jul 10 21:12 |
| schestowitz | But wait... ti gets better | Jul 10 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Part of Ubuntu are already in "not safe" | Jul 10 21:12 |
| schestowitz | And.... | Jul 10 21:12 |
| wispygalaxy | ubuntu is losing its soul | Jul 10 21:13 |
| tacone | I didn't read anything btw. I'm from the phone | Jul 10 21:13 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/09/community-promise-sham/#comments "By the way, what nobody here seems to be mentioning, I guess because they're pretty ignorant about .NET in general, is that the ECMA specs only cover versions 1 and 2 of the C# language, and neither version 3 which Mono already implements or version 4 of which MSFT's implementation is currently in beta have been submitted to any standards body. I think this is a | Jul 10 21:13 |
| schestowitz | bigger issue than support for some Windows libraries." | Jul 10 21:13 |
| wispygalaxy | who wrote that? | Jul 10 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Mono -- welcome to Life on the Edge | Jul 10 21:13 |
| tacone | Yup I knew | Jul 10 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Who needs this mess? | Jul 10 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Use Java, Python, anything.. | Jul 10 21:13 |
| wispygalaxy | java ^_^ | Jul 10 21:14 |
| Lns | If anything actually happened where *buntu people started getting sued...it's an apt-get --purge remove away. Who really cares | Jul 10 21:14 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: follow URL | Jul 10 21:14 |
| wispygalaxy | i just did | Jul 10 21:14 |
| wispygalaxy | eet is mean to you! :( | Jul 10 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Since like 3 years ago | Jul 10 21:14 |
| wispygalaxy | no need to cuss, eetster | Jul 10 21:14 |
| schestowitz | It's a Novell shill | Jul 10 21:14 |
| tacone | Ubuntu won't have issues. That's why they don't remove it | Jul 10 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not paid | Jul 10 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Not just in BN either. Trolling for Novell | Jul 10 21:14 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i see | Jul 10 21:14 |
| tacone | The problem is of the smaller fishes | Jul 10 21:15 |
| Lns | what smaller fishes? | Jul 10 21:15 |
| wispygalaxy | many noobs using ubuntu don't realize the danger of mono | Jul 10 21:15 |
| wispygalaxy | so they use it, and they might get sued | Jul 10 21:15 |
| tacone | It's not a problem of noons | Jul 10 21:16 |
| tacone | Noobs. | Jul 10 21:16 |
| Lns | there are plenty of non-noobs using ubuntu | Jul 10 21:16 |
| tacone | Users won't be sued | Jul 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | They get hooked on Mono s/w | Jul 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | That's the issue | Jul 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | It's not as simple as deleting it | Jul 10 21:16 |
| wispygalaxy | it's a drug | Jul 10 21:16 |
| tacone | It's about a competitive ecosystem | Jul 10 21:16 |
| wispygalaxy | stay away, kids! | Jul 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | What happens to photo metadata in fspot? | Jul 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Now there's gnote to escape from Tomboy, but.. | Jul 10 21:17 |
| wispygalaxy | gnote FTW | Jul 10 21:17 |
| wispygalaxy | i remember when tony had a post about it in COLA | Jul 10 21:17 |
| tacone | Solang will import from fspot | Jul 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Linux is too successful | Jul 10 21:17 |
| Lns | if open source action has taught me anything, it's that a fix would be released within a day or two, bypassing any danger | Jul 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | So it gets poisoned by foes | Jul 10 21:17 |
| wispygalaxy | you got that right roy | Jul 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | People who want to turn it to a .NET platform | Jul 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft pays Novell for this | Jul 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They even fund MonoDevelop | Jul 10 21:17 |
| wispygalaxy | it's sooo obvious | Jul 10 21:18 |
| tacone | Lns: you may have to pay past damages | Jul 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Like TomTom | Jul 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | 'Damages' | Jul 10 21:18 |
| wispygalaxy | poor tomtom | Jul 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Neural imitation | Jul 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | They /are/ poor/ | Jul 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Near bankruptcy | Jul 10 21:18 |
| wispygalaxy | darn it | Jul 10 21:18 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks a lot MS | Jul 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft took on the feeble | Jul 10 21:18 |
| tacone | This unlicensed use of the FAT is insulting!!! | Jul 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Cause they'd have to settle | Jul 10 21:19 |
| wispygalaxy | they pick on the weak | Jul 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | No time for lawyers and all | Jul 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | But... | Jul 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | That's why we love merciful gentle MS | Jul 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s Brad Silverberg: “Cut Those F*ckers Off” < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/19/brad-silverberg-on-z-nix/ > | Jul 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft demanded an audit of Z-Nix’s entire business and then commenced a copyright and trademark infringement action. Z-Nix was forced to file for bankruptcy in or around 1995″" | Jul 10 21:19 |
| tacone | The community promise proved that pressing them works | Jul 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Pressing whom? | Jul 10 21:20 |
| tacone | Ms desperately needs Mono | Jul 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Novell | Jul 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft too | Jul 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | And Novell needs trust for Trojan planting | Jul 10 21:20 |
| tacone | Novellsoft | Jul 10 21:20 |
| Lns | Microvell? | Jul 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | They need the 'IP' inside Linux and developers developers developers developers | Jul 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE | Jul 10 21:21 |
| tacone | They just need to escape Intel arch | Jul 10 21:22 |
| wispygalaxy | that ballmer dance always makes me giggle | Jul 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | He's not dancing | Jul 10 21:22 |
| wispygalaxy | excersise is good for him, btw | Jul 10 21:22 |
| tacone | Intel is already escaping windows | Jul 10 21:22 |
| wispygalaxy | i know | Jul 10 21:22 |
| wispygalaxy | roy | Jul 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | He's doing the weekly dinner ceremony | Jul 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Just not in front of the children | Jul 10 21:23 |
| Lns | At least FOSS has the backing of IBM, Intel, Google, and many others | Jul 10 21:23 |
| wispygalaxy | i was talking about the dance in general | Jul 10 21:23 |
| Lns | Microsoft isn't fighting the poor/weak here | Jul 10 21:23 |
| wispygalaxy | you forgot redhat! ;) | Jul 10 21:23 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's not the dance | Jul 10 21:23 |
| Lns | thousands of other companies | Jul 10 21:23 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, i know. i was talking about something else | Jul 10 21:23 |
| Lns | They are one. We are many. | Jul 10 21:23 |
| wispygalaxy | yep | Jul 10 21:23 |
| schestowitz | It's not even Ballmer, it must be LSD | Jul 10 21:23 |
| wispygalaxy | oh yeah | Jul 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft feels cornered | Jul 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | It can't charge for Windows | Jul 10 21:24 |
| wispygalaxy | lsd makes you question things, not hyper lol | Jul 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | It knows it must price up Linux | Jul 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Thus the frantic race for sw pats in EU | Jul 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | And for Mono everywhere | Jul 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Mono, MS codecs (Silver Lie), etc. | Jul 10 21:24 |
| wispygalaxy | they are losing, losing, losing | Jul 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Planting the seeds of fat man knockin' on yo' door in the future | Jul 10 21:25 |
| wispygalaxy | what's up with moonlight | Jul 10 21:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Em Nova Iorque, o crude continua abaixo dos 60 dólares: está a recuar 57 cêntimos para os 59,89 dólares. " | Jul 10 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | Like the mortgage guy | Jul 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | moonlight is scarcely downloaded | Jul 10 21:25 |
| Balrog_ | is that new patent decision significant? | Jul 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I saw numbers like 70k | Jul 10 21:25 |
| wispygalaxy | i never hear about it, roy | Jul 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Pathetical for Novell.com downloads | Jul 10 21:25 |
| tacone | I didn't installed moonlight | Jul 10 21:26 |
| wispygalaxy | good | Jul 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: hardly | Jul 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Jul 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | The Mono and MS blogs make it sound so | Jul 10 21:26 |
| wispygalaxy | liars | Jul 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | As I said before I came back, it's all nonsernse | Jul 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | And the press sometimes slurps it | Jul 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Carla said something.... | Jul 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/07/google-frenzy-a.html | Jul 10 21:26 |
| wispygalaxy | the press loves to slurp MS, ugh | Jul 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | "Google Frenzy and Mono Mania" | Jul 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | "Just when I was getting thoroughly bored with Mono news, which is the same arguments recycled over and over, and little of anything more definitive from the Mono camp than "Same to you!", along came a tidal wave of Google Chrome OS news. The Chrome OS story is truly frightening, far more terrifying than Mono gaining a solid foothold in Linux distributions--- because the news is simply an announcement that the Chrome OS project has | Jul 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | been officially launched. There is no OS yet. What levels of hysteria are going to be reached when the actual code is released? Rioting? Suicides? Looting? " | Jul 10 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | reading | Jul 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: if it's paid, yes | Jul 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | COmpensated somehow | Jul 10 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | of course | Jul 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Like ads, W-E, laptops with Vista7 from last year, etc. | Jul 10 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | who the hell would support MS stuff without being paid lol | Jul 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | cj | Jul 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | He used to be paid | Jul 10 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Not he's just loyal | Jul 10 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | come on, how can anyone praise Windows. It's virusy crap | Jul 10 21:28 |
| schestowitz | More on that tomorrow | Jul 10 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | who's cj? | Jul 10 21:28 |
| Balrog_ | people I know praise windows | Jul 10 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Adams-Collier | Jul 10 21:28 |
| Balrog_ | they get brainwashed into doing so | Jul 10 21:28 |
| tacone | Who cares about chrome os. Is open source | Jul 10 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | hmmm | Jul 10 21:28 |
| Balrog_ | and they're not paid | Jul 10 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | ah i see roy | Jul 10 21:28 |
| Balrog_ | chrome OS is ok but probably too lightweight for general use from what we know | Jul 10 21:28 |
| Lns | wispygalaxy: there are 2 different kinds of techies - Windows techs (who mainly like $$$) and Linux techs (who like computers). Oh, and Apple techs (who like psychedelics) ;) | Jul 10 21:29 |
| tacone | Unless miguel ports it to mono of course :) | Jul 10 21:29 |
| schestowitz | There are threee type of computer users | Jul 10 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Those who don't know computers | Jul 10 21:29 |
| wispygalaxy | haha lns | Jul 10 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Those who don't care about computers | Jul 10 21:29 |
| schestowitz | And those exploiting the first two groups | Jul 10 21:29 |
| wispygalaxy | ha! | Jul 10 21:29 |
| Lns | ha | Jul 10 21:29 |
| Balrog_ | there's probably a fourth group too | Jul 10 21:29 |
| tacone | I'm gonna take a walk now. C u | Jul 10 21:30 |
| wispygalaxy | bye for now! | Jul 10 21:30 |
| Balrog_ | bye tacone | Jul 10 21:31 |
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| wispygalaxy | i used to run by the pond at my school, it's really refreshing | Jul 10 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | i go for walks, too | Jul 10 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | it's a great way to clear my thoughts | Jul 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Just into the pond | Jul 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Clear the thoughts swimmin'! | Jul 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Ha! | Jul 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | /just/jump/ | Jul 10 21:32 |
| cj | hey there schestowitz | Jul 10 21:32 |
| cj | sup? | Jul 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Just chillin', havin' a Bud | Jul 10 21:33 |
| cj | :) | Jul 10 21:33 |
| wispygalaxy | hehe roy | Jul 10 21:33 |
| wispygalaxy | bud light? | Jul 10 21:33 |
| wispygalaxy | or something else | Jul 10 21:33 |
| cj | when did I support ms stuff without being paid? | Jul 10 21:33 |
| cj | I don't remember that | Jul 10 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Intimacy... https://twitter.com/nikhilk/status/2504103385 | Jul 10 21:33 |
| wispygalaxy | lol... intimacy | Jul 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: does Light have those chemicals like in diet Coke? | Jul 10 21:34 |
| wispygalaxy | idk lol | Jul 10 21:34 |
| wispygalaxy | but i hear it's crisp | Jul 10 21:34 |
| wispygalaxy | and tasty | Jul 10 21:34 |
| Balrog_ | yes afaik | Jul 10 21:34 |
| cj | but seriously schestowitz. check your facts. | Jul 10 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | it's friday, time to have some fun lol | Jul 10 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | what do you guys plan to do this weekend | Jul 10 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | i might go to the poconos this sunday with my family | Jul 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm not suggesting someone's being naughty, but I'm not gullible either. | Jul 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | It's good to know who's helping who. | Jul 10 21:36 |
| Balrog_ | lol | Jul 10 21:39 |
| Balrog_ | that's nice | Jul 10 21:39 |
| Balrog_ | I have very little free time myself :( | Jul 10 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Go to poconos with 'em then :-p | Jul 10 21:39 |
| wispygalaxy | i will! | Jul 10 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | it's really fun and gorgeous | Jul 10 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | aww balrog :( | Jul 10 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i really wish you have fun this summer | Jul 10 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | there's still time! | Jul 10 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | look on the bright side, your resume is getting beefier | Jul 10 21:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Report: GNU/Linux on the Desktop Keeps Growing http://ping.fm/ghdvb | Jul 10 21:40 | |
| wispygalaxy | with these 2 classes you are taking | Jul 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: beefier? Is Burger King hiring? I used to work there as a kid | Jul 10 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | lol i bet you made a great server :) | Jul 10 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | with your manners | Jul 10 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | you are very polite | Jul 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Server? | Jul 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | No... | Jul 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I brought music thought | Jul 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I rocked dat motha' out! | Jul 10 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | haha you listened to rap/ hip hop? | Jul 10 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Partly. Some R&B too | Jul 10 21:42 |
| Balrog_ | I have two weeks in the end of summer | Jul 10 21:42 |
| Balrog_ | that's about it | Jul 10 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | r&b is nice and smooth | Jul 10 21:42 |
| trmanco | http://blog.digg.com/?p=878 | Jul 10 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Not the overly obscene type | Jul 10 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | i really hope you have time for the beach, i went two weeks ago | Jul 10 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Not suitable for people who dine | Jul 10 21:42 |
| Balrog_ | lol | Jul 10 21:42 |
| trmanco | IE 6 "stealing" a load of money from Digg | Jul 10 21:42 |
| Balrog_ | I usually don't go there :P | Jul 10 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | i went in really deep, almost past everyone. riding waves is fun | Jul 10 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Blacksteet an d stuff | Jul 10 21:43 |
| wispygalaxy | i want to learn how to surf | Jul 10 21:43 |
| Balrog_ | cool | Jul 10 21:43 |
| wispygalaxy | blackstreet is great | Jul 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Defunct now, no? | Jul 10 21:43 |
| wispygalaxy | thx for link, tony | Jul 10 21:43 |
| wispygalaxy | i was on digg today | Jul 10 21:43 |
| wispygalaxy | idk roy, sry | Jul 10 21:43 |
| wispygalaxy | but i heard of them 10 years ago | Jul 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Teddy Reily did one album with Jacko | Jul 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | I think it was dumped, or maybe that was the one with Timbaman | Jul 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Michael doesn't write his own music | Jul 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Since Motown days | Jul 10 21:44 |
| wispygalaxy | no diggity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq0zUJCl9Qs | Jul 10 21:44 |
| wispygalaxy | good tune | Jul 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | He's a performer/entertainer | Jul 10 21:44 |
| wispygalaxy | coolio | Jul 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | No Diggity, no thanks | Jul 10 21:44 |
| wispygalaxy | cool i mean lol | Jul 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Heard it like a thousand times | Jul 10 21:44 |
| wispygalaxy | not the rapper! | Jul 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I knew all the lyrics | Jul 10 21:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't, haven't heard it in a while | Jul 10 21:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp2D8IOxFIA&feature=related | Jul 10 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Found it on Ellen when I got bored. Nice song. | Jul 10 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | degeneres? | Jul 10 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | watching video | Jul 10 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | oh this chick again | Jul 10 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | good stuff overall | Jul 10 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | What's on /your/ playlist? | Jul 10 21:49 |
| *schestowitz types stuff into COLA ATM | Jul 10 21:49 | |
| wispygalaxy | i gotta post to COLA too | Jul 10 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | i have lots of stuff on my playlist | Jul 10 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | some stuff you won't recognize, though | Jul 10 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | it's all indie | Jul 10 21:50 |
| *schestowitz searches for band "lots" | Jul 10 21:50 | |
| wispygalaxy | no not that hahaha | Jul 10 21:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Kernel Representation Expands http://ping.fm/Wp0RW | Jul 10 21:51 | |
| *schestowitz searches for band "indie" | Jul 10 21:51 | |
| wispygalaxy | check out my last.fm page: last.fm/wispygalaxy | Jul 10 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | nooooo roy XD | Jul 10 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | indie is a general term for underground music | Jul 10 21:51 |
| *schestowitz searches for band "underground" | Jul 10 21:52 | |
| wispygalaxy | http://www.last.fm/user/wispygalaxy <= correct link | Jul 10 21:52 |
| *schestowitz searches for band "last.fm/wispygalaxy" | Jul 10 21:52 | |
| wispygalaxy | royyyyy, stop it hahahaha | Jul 10 21:52 |
| wispygalaxy | :D | Jul 10 21:52 |
| *schestowitz searches for band "404 Page not found" | Jul 10 21:52 | |
| wispygalaxy | i told u, here's the new link, hehe | Jul 10 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 | Jul 10 21:52 |
| wispygalaxy | i saw this vid on digg, it's really good! | Jul 10 21:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Progresses Further Into Wayland http://ping.fm/jXl1b | Jul 10 21:55 | |
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| trmanco | http://status.twitter.com/post/138789881/koobface-malware-attack | Jul 10 21:57 |
| wispygalaxy | heh, poor windows users | Jul 10 21:58 |
| schestowitz | /s/us/lus/ | Jul 10 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | :) | Jul 10 22:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] London Paper cuts costs by 66% with open source website: http://is.gd/1tWXA | Jul 10 22:00 | |
| wispygalaxy | congrats to the london paper! | Jul 10 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | see, open source does not increase TCO. | Jul 10 22:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Ubuntu not threatened by Chrome OS, says Canonical: http://is.gd/1tX42 | Jul 10 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | They ain't [sic] | Jul 10 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They are afraid of Goooooorrrrrrrrrrrrr.....gle | Jul 10 22:04 |
| wispygalaxy | ubuntu needs to step up it up, or else better distros will overcome it | Jul 10 22:05 |
| wispygalaxy | debian is really great, but i like the idea behind ubuntu | Jul 10 22:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Dell is sticking with Ubuntu: http://is.gd/1tXds | Jul 10 22:05 | |
| wispygalaxy | its focused on community and helping others | Jul 10 22:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i feel happy when i am able to help someone out | Jul 10 22:06 |
| trmanco | Microsoft Exchange Is MIT’s New Email System: http://revtwt.com/origin_page.php?link=32413 | Jul 10 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft funnels money into their labs | Jul 10 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Also to potentially harm OLPC | Jul 10 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Follow the PR trails. | Jul 10 22:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DebConf9 is Coming http://ping.fm/RjsH8 | Jul 10 22:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Microsoft Exchange Is MIT’s New Email System: http://is.gd/1tXsz || currently implemented using Cyrus... MIT, #wtf #fail | Jul 10 22:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] two math courses back to back == alot of work. | Jul 10 22:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell Says GNU/Linux Sells Well http://ping.fm/0zx41 | Jul 10 22:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Computers with Linux Built in Get Better http://ping.fm/1GwAM | Jul 10 22:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Toys 'R Us Sells Sub-notebooks Running GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/V2fes | Jul 10 22:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Competition on Mobile Devices Heats Up http://ping.fm/McaQL | Jul 10 22:30 | |
| wispygalaxy | oh, how cute... the kids can use linux computers from toys 'r us :) | Jul 10 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | i used to live by a toys 'r us that was within walking distance in 3rd grade | Jul 10 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I hated Toys 'R Us | Jul 10 22:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 Released for Testing http://ping.fm/Kwne7 | Jul 10 22:35 | |
| wispygalaxy | haha roy | Jul 10 22:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Channel Alliance Grows http://ping.fm/Yxbas | Jul 10 22:36 | |
| wispygalaxy | i could spend hours in there... | Jul 10 22:37 |
| wispygalaxy | maybe the UK stores were different lol | Jul 10 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Many large US chains go out of business | Jul 10 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Wal-mart will eventually be named Red-Mart or something | Jul 10 22:39 |
| schestowitz | And Federal Motors will find a way to block import of cars | Jul 10 22:39 |
| wispygalaxy | uh oh! | Jul 10 22:39 |
| wispygalaxy | federal motors, ha | Jul 10 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | obama is going to socialize everything?! | Jul 10 22:40 |
| schestowitz | You just bought from GM, you know? | Jul 10 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i know, "reluctant shareholder" | Jul 10 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | :P | Jul 10 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't like govt. intrusion into my life | Jul 10 22:40 |
| schestowitz | God Bless Lada :-| | Jul 10 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Jul 10 22:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #mocknblock @mattkdecide another #socialmedia #spammer | Jul 10 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe Big O will sign a New Deal | Jul 10 22:48 |
| cj | Big O == Oracle? | Jul 10 22:51 |
| cj | ah, O'Bama :) | Jul 10 22:51 |
| wispygalaxy | the big O, hahaha | Jul 10 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | O' Mama! | Jul 10 22:55 |
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| cj | Zelda calls him Barack Omama :) | Jul 10 22:56 |
| cj | schestowitz: so, do you think the world is better or worse for the community promise event? | Jul 10 22:57 |
| cj | schestowitz: I'd still like to work with you to get the US patent laws unfscked, if you're willing. it seems to be something we both agree on and something that will make a bunch of this stuff moot. | Jul 10 22:57 |
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| tessier_ | http://tinyurl.com/lec37o | Jul 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | How can you help? | Jul 10 22:59 |
| tessier_ | tacone: You named after spanish footware or something? | Jul 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | TAC One? | Jul 10 22:59 |
| tacone | Roy is right | Jul 10 23:00 |
| tessier_ | Ah. Ok. "tacones" are also a pair of women's high heeled shoes in spanish | Jul 10 23:00 |
| tacone | Also tacone is the right pronunce of the jap word takuan | Jul 10 23:00 |
| tessier_ | ah, the spanish word is just tacón | Jul 10 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Taco | Jul 10 23:02 |
| tessier_ | But in practice you always see it in the plural tacónes so it looked similar to me | Jul 10 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Like in the Onion | Jul 10 23:02 |
| tacone | LOL yeah like tacos | Jul 10 23:02 |
| tessier_ | pinches gringos culeros | Jul 10 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | es "los tacones altos" | Jul 10 23:02 |
| tessier_ | wispygalaxy: andale | Jul 10 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | ay! | Jul 10 23:03 |
| tacone | Nothing interesting in my nick. It was choosen in hurry while opening my first hotmail account | Jul 10 23:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | i g2g guys- see ya! | Jul 10 23:03 |
| schestowitz | o/ | Jul 10 23:03 |
| tessier_ | \o/ | Jul 10 23:03 |
| tacone | But after some time ms bought hotmail | Jul 10 23:03 |
| wispygalaxy | bye tessier | Jul 10 23:03 |
| schestowitz | /s/bought/ruined/ | Jul 10 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya tacone | Jul 10 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | take care, roy! xx | Jul 10 23:04 |
| tacone | Yeah. Incredible how they spoiled it | Jul 10 23:04 |
| schestowitz | wait | Jul 10 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | me? | Jul 10 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a record | Jul 10 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | ok see ya guys | Jul 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Over 2 ladies in this channel ! | Jul 10 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | who is the girl? | Jul 10 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | wallclimber and me | Jul 10 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | who else... | Jul 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't know | Jul 10 23:05 |
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| tacone | It was prolly the largest email provider. Then got eaten by yahoo and google | Jul 10 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | oh, well we need more sisters in here | Jul 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | You have sisters | Jul 10 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | 2 of them! | Jul 10 23:06 |
| tacone | We also need ponies | Jul 10 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | teen girls | Jul 10 23:06 |
| tessier_ | pretty space ponies | Jul 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | omg ponies | Jul 10 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | heh i never liked ponies | Jul 10 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | horses are more graceful | Jul 10 23:06 |
| tacone | Also unicorns are cool | Jul 10 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i loved them | Jul 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | ponies .. i like | Jul 10 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | ok i g2g now, bye bye | Jul 10 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/141817/from/rss09 OpenSSH zero day exploit rumours not confirmed | Jul 10 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Whisper cam-pain [sic]? | Jul 10 23:09 |
| Lns | Isn't it ironic that some for-pay software such as Quickbooks integrates non-disableable adverts for things like merchant services, upgrades, etc? It's like...I PAID FOR YOUR SOFTWARE, DON'T SPAM ME! | Jul 10 23:09 |
| Lns | You hardly EVER see this with true FOSS | Jul 10 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Airlines too | Jul 10 23:10 |
| schestowitz | OOo pondered it | Jul 10 23:10 |
| schestowitz | But it might lead to forkss | Jul 10 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Antifeatures don't work in FS | Jul 10 23:10 |
| Lns | seriously | Jul 10 23:12 |
| Lns | it just makes me that much more irate toward crappy for-pay software that's necessary in business sometimes | Jul 10 23:12 |
| schestowitz | CentOS treats costs as an antifeature | Jul 10 23:12 |
| Lns | I *used* to use GNUCash, and I loved it. My accountant only knows QB though, so I had to switch (resulting in having to have a windows VM on my server =( fortunately, i had an existing license lying around) | Jul 10 23:13 |
| Lns | it's like a sore thumb though | Jul 10 23:13 |
| Lns | had to buy antivirus software, QB, and I get fucking adverts | Jul 10 23:13 |
| tacone | Gotta get some sleep, goodbye. | Jul 10 23:13 |
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| Lns | Everything else w/my biz is run off of linux though | Jul 10 23:14 |
| Lns | LTSP at that. I love it | Jul 10 23:14 |
| Lns | ILOVEITILOVEITILOVEITILOVEITILOVEIT! | Jul 10 23:14 |
| Lns | =p | Jul 10 23:14 |
| Lns | anyway, i'm out for the day..cheers | Jul 10 23:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DRM Dies at Orange Too (Antifeatures Fail) http://ping.fm/1ySMP | Jul 10 23:16 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62055906,00.htm?scid=rss_z_nw Symbian is long last getting out there. | Jul 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Nokia | Jul 10 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Symbian vs Windows CE I kinda expect Symbian to win that battle. | Jul 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Jul 10 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Mono getting core covered by patent licence does not address its system intergration issues. | Jul 10 23:36 |
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