| macabe_ | aeshna23 got him talking about conspiracy. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/#comment-69254 | Jul 12 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | I pasted a portion of this discussion there. | Jul 12 00:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Goldman Sachs Accused of Creating Bubbles http://ping.fm/vbhAj | Jul 12 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's anti-Linux trolls now curse me in my personal blog that's not about Linux at all... or computing | Jul 12 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Ha! | Jul 12 00:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] freda's temp is 38.6C. a looked after f, I did housework and built a shelf, older teen made dinner. enforced family day in :-) | Jul 12 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | Why did Carla link to this old anti-Linux guy? http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-01-016-35-OP-CY | Jul 12 00:19 |
| schestowitz | I recognised the name | Jul 12 00:19 |
| schestowitz | He posts a lot of anti-Linux and this is denouncement of those who identify attacks on Linux | Jul 12 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-01-024-35-NW-BZ-MS-0003 | Jul 12 00:24 |
| the trolls harass you in cola, on BN, Slashdot and everywhere else, why not your personal blog as well? | Jul 12 00:25 | |
| it's a slog. | Jul 12 00:25 | |
| in an age when anyone can set up a blog and ruin billions of dollars worth of careful lies, it seems that M$ people have taken their fight to each and every user of free software. | Jul 12 00:26 | |
| linux today is not loading for me. | Jul 12 00:27 | |
| schestowitz | Linux based Solar-powered networking anywhere < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-solarnetone/ > | Jul 12 00:29 |
| Works in testing, fails on Lenny. | Jul 12 00:30 | |
| hmmm. | Jul 12 00:31 | |
| schestowitz | It Is Like a Cow in That I Can’t Use It to Get Work Done http://mph.puddingbowl.org/2009/06/it-is-like-a-cow-in-that-i-cant-use-it-to-get-work-done/ | Jul 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz | it's so old | Jul 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz | What's the matter with LinuxToday? | Jul 12 00:34 |
| I don't know. | Jul 12 00:34 | |
| schestowitz | They should rename it LinuxYesterday | Jul 12 00:34 |
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| I've had problems with stuff associated with these people http://www.sphere.com/ | Jul 12 00:35 | |
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| What's the name of the story? | Jul 12 00:36 | |
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| schestowitz | The cranky CIO says the hard drive is inside the computer http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25082/1141/ | Jul 12 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Which story? | Jul 12 00:42 |
| forget it. | Jul 12 00:43 | |
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| schestowitz | "The HeliOS Project and her affiliated programs will cease to install Ubuntu on another computer should this travesty take place." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-04-006-35-OS-UB-0023 | Jul 12 00:51 |
| schestowitz | "rick spencer worked for MS " < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-04-006-35-OS-UB-0008 > | Jul 12 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Nice trick: http://blog.dr-ivan.com/2009/06/28/tips-tricks-converting-pdf-s-to-pictures-in-linux/ | Jul 12 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Linux Magazine covers iPhone... weird... http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7401/1.html | Jul 12 01:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Down With tHE CAPS LOCK KEy http://ping.fm/dQFdj | Jul 12 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | Rajmi, Milf, etc mean nothing and have zero author < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-06-026-35-OS-MS-LL-0007 > | Jul 12 01:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz first thing I do on *any* new install is set 'make caps lock an additional ctrl' | Jul 12 01:19 | |
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| schestowitz | More Linux-hostile stuff from Linux 'Insider' http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/67512.html | Jul 12 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft press reviews Linux: http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/102299/acer-aspire-one-with-linpus-linux.html | Jul 12 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Blech. https://twitter.com/einfeldt/status/2586950638 | Jul 12 01:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: why not assign it to ctrl+alt+backspace? (or vice versa) | Jul 12 01:45 | |
| schestowitz | "I know that open source insiders will be aghast at my comments, as I sound just like Microsoft. It is true that there have been compensating effects from the open source movement, and those effects are significant and hugely desirable." http://sombrio.com/2009/07/07/community-20-viva-la-vida/ | Jul 12 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like another ORLY type. "2.0" | Jul 12 01:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet users heavily into cloud computing, most unknowingly < http://ping.fm/zVXqt > | Jul 12 01:58 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4861 | Jul 12 02:00 |
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| who is chis at sombrio.com? -> "the creation of the GPL and the Free Software Foundation was a true moment of serendipity. A multi-billion dollar industry was created, by accident, from something invented for a completely different purpose. Unforeseen by RMS, it just happens that the economics of open source, which reduces the opportunity cost of obtaining software by trading in source code instead of money, is fundamentally sound | Jul 12 02:37 | |
| Chris might not have seen it. I did not. We should not project that ignorance on FSF and RMS. They knew that software would be created in freedom. | Jul 12 02:38 | |
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| schestowitz | it's not about money, it's about ethics | Jul 12 02:39 |
| No one is being asked to "work for nothing" | Jul 12 02:39 | |
| people share tools that get jobs done. | Jul 12 02:39 | |
| RMS knew this would work because he came from a place that did it. | Jul 12 02:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/12/28/time-for-change-2/ | Jul 12 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | ethics are more important than money | Jul 12 02:40 |
| schestowitz | People use computers not just as programmers | Jul 12 02:40 |
| schestowitz | And programmers too are users of software | Jul 12 02:41 |
| Very few people earn a living the non free software way. The rest of people who manipulate them for a living are better off with free software and won't know the difference, except they will never feel helpless and demoralized. | Jul 12 02:42 | |
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| schestowitz | I just got the reply: "LOL. He's been "infected" when I wrote: "@einfeldt I don't think @migueldeicaza means anything bad, I just think he is misguided after spending so much time with Microsoft" < http://identi.ca/notice/6342354 > | Jul 12 02:48 |
| he's been spun | Jul 12 02:55 | |
| schestowitz | Indoctrinated, IMHO | Jul 12 02:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Means "Intellectual Honesty" http://ping.fm/OTTYE | Jul 12 03:02 | |
| Nifty goals http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/07/plasma-in-kde-44.html | Jul 12 03:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Computing Environments Change to Benefit GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/sFsnv | Jul 12 03:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman Advocates GNU/Linux for Freedom Value http://ping.fm/iRQeS | Jul 12 03:05 | |
| relative paths come to kbibtex http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KBibTeX?content=27421 | Jul 12 03:07 | |
| relative paths are a big deal when you try to archive things. | Jul 12 03:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tips for Linux Advocacy (from Linux-hostile Site) http://ping.fm/P3MLq | Jul 12 03:09 | |
| heh, the hostile atmosphere for women in software must be a non free software thing. http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4020 | Jul 12 03:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ksplice Co-Founder and COO Interviewed http://ping.fm/QazWp | Jul 12 03:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] First Look at Linux 2.6.31 http://ping.fm/5ctQZ | Jul 12 03:13 | |
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| Ick, another "tips" article that tries to tell people how to act. Tag line, " Elbert Hannah ... [O'Reilly vi guy] has used Linux and worked actively in the open source community for over 10 years. In and around the house, he has more than 10 instances of Linux and as many versions and distros. He doesn't like technical religious wars and prefers things to be sorted out by merit. " | Jul 12 03:14 | |
| Has it been ten years, since I've been doing this? Yep. | Jul 12 03:15 | |
| Sorting things out by merit is not the right answer. | Jul 12 03:15 | |
| Sorting things out by freedom is. | Jul 12 03:16 | |
| If you have money, pay to get the free thing fixed. | Jul 12 03:16 | |
| Then you get freedom and performance. | Jul 12 03:16 | |
| If you just jump to the non free thing, you get neither. | Jul 12 03:16 | |
| Most people who use non free software think they have the best performance they can get, but they have almost no real reference frame. | Jul 12 03:17 | |
| schestowitz | neighbour's PC | Jul 12 03:18 |
| schestowitz | No h/w parity | Jul 12 03:18 |
| schestowitz | So they buy a new PC | Jul 12 03:18 |
| schestowitz | And blame worm bloat on PC going "old" | Jul 12 03:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KOffice 2.0 Reviewed http://ping.fm/Yp9a8 | Jul 12 03:27 | |
| he he. Judging from the mono camp's stupid reactions to RMS | Jul 12 03:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNOME 2.26.3 is Released http://ping.fm/rK3Fu , Nice New Themes Available http://ping.fm/WHJTI | Jul 12 03:28 | |
| and his keynote talk, I'd say RMS did very well at making this happen http://blogs.fsfe.org/adridg/?p=157 | Jul 12 03:28 | |
| Diablo-D3 | heh, I'm being attacked for my blog entry, lol | Jul 12 03:28 |
| RMS warned about mono briefly there. All the mono people could do is call him a sexist, brilliant. | Jul 12 03:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNOME and KDE Grow Closer Together at Gran Canaria http://ping.fm/mWdwK | Jul 12 03:30 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: don't ever criticise Mono | Jul 12 03:30 |
| schestowitz | Rule #1: Microsoft's .NET is the bestest thing in the world | Jul 12 03:30 |
| Join the FSFE, the smallest unit of freedom is a fellow. http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/992-The-smallest-unit-of-freedom-a-fellow.html | Jul 12 03:31 | |
| http://blogs.fsfe.org/fellowship-interviews/fellowship-interview-with-myriam-schweingruber/ | Jul 12 03:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE 4.3.0 Reaches Last Steps Before Release http://ping.fm/aj3Y1 , Tested in Kubuntu 9.04 http://ping.fm/1gsmi | Jul 12 03:36 | |
| schestowitz | gn | Jul 12 03:37 |
| neighborlee | http://michaeldehaan.net/2009/07/07/before-you-congratulate-mono/ < you may already have seen, but if not its interesting how miguel commented and mentioned FUD, while not addressing any other comments in the article, just concentrating on FUD'ing this one issue of 'support' ...typical of mono supporters and its stunning they think people don't see right through it | Jul 12 03:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: well you know what? | Jul 12 03:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im going to criticise the shit out out it | Jul 12 03:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://imgur.com/SPVNE.jpg <-- microsoft's think tank | Jul 12 03:51 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : what is that picture? | Jul 12 03:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | didnt I just say? | Jul 12 03:54 |
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| wordnet. not working for me. | Jul 12 04:17 | |
| stuck on 4/5 stylesheets. | Jul 12 04:18 | |
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| konq stuck on 45 of 64 images | Jul 12 04:18 | |
| there goes my cpu fan | Jul 12 04:19 | |
| astounding | Jul 12 04:19 | |
| 185 seconds later, netsurf pulls through. Konq still waits. | Jul 12 04:20 | |
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| interesting article. I don't agree that M$ can field more programmers than anyone else. This might be true for non free software, but the free software world has more muscle behind it than any company. | Jul 12 04:25 | |
| His business reasoning is solid. A programmer is in a much better position learning Java than Mono when it comes to landing a job. The only reason a business would deploy mono is if they are already a Windows shop. | Jul 12 04:27 | |
| Mono jobs are created by M$ in one way or another and won't be around when M$ decides to pull the plug. | Jul 12 04:28 | |
| Java is widely deployed and free, so it's going to be around forever. | Jul 12 04:28 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | twitter: mono jobs imo dont exist | Jul 12 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're not even created by microsoft | Jul 12 04:38 |
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| Diablo-D3 | microsoft wants you using windows | Jul 12 04:38 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a lot of mono jobs | Jul 12 04:42 |
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| Sarkozy pushes 3 strikes again. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/12/0111247/French-3-Strikes-Law-Returns-In-Slightly-Altered-Form | Jul 12 04:50 | |
| now a judge decides your fate, which is cut off, fined 300,000 euros and 2 years in jail. | Jul 12 04:52 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder if he realizes france will just be disconnected from the internet | Jul 12 04:53 |
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| _Hicham_ | france is just a follower of the US | Jul 12 05:03 |
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| Eruaran | Customer switched to Ubuntu this week because of Microsoft's disgraceful lack of international language support for Windows XP Home. | Jul 12 05:26 |
| :) welcome to freedom, customer | Jul 12 05:29 | |
| Eruaran | yes | Jul 12 05:29 |
| Eruaran | She was hopping mad and blamed us at first. | Jul 12 05:30 |
| Eruaran | But we explained that Microsoft doesn't give pretty much anyone but the large manufacturers their MUI image. | Jul 12 05:31 |
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| Eruaran | MUI is their "multi lingual user interface" | Jul 12 05:32 |
| Eruaran | translation = wank | Jul 12 05:32 |
| Eruaran | It means that if you have XP Home on your notebook you bought in Australia, you can't change the language to German. | Jul 12 05:32 |
| Eruaran | You can choose whatever you like in the install.. you can change the keyboard... but it will still say "Welcome" in English next time you boot. | Jul 12 05:33 |
| Eruaran | The full image as a torrent is about 4GB to download | Jul 12 05:34 |
| Eruaran | And we explained that it is proprietary software and we don't have a license for it and neither does she. | Jul 12 05:34 |
| and people complained when an old, pre release debian's text install had some problems with right to left languages.. ha ah | Jul 12 05:34 | |
| Eruaran | So we directed her to Ubuntu, with international language support that is second to none. | Jul 12 05:34 |
| cool | Jul 12 05:35 | |
| Eruaran | Were still mainly doing Ubuntu because we find it is what works best for most home users who haven't used GNU/Linux before. | Jul 12 05:35 |
| Eruaran | People can pick it up very quickly. | Jul 12 05:36 |
| Eruaran | We do a few tweaks | Jul 12 05:37 |
| Eruaran | We remove tomboy | Jul 12 05:37 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Jul 12 05:37 |
| Eruaran | install gnote | Jul 12 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | fucking mono shit | Jul 12 05:37 |
| Eruaran | We install Miro, beucase Miro is cool | Jul 12 05:38 |
| Eruaran | And we install xchat-gnome | Jul 12 05:38 |
| Eruaran | and we put it on the top panel for instant access to #ubuntu | Jul 12 05:38 |
| Eruaran | Customers love it when you show them the help channel | Jul 12 05:39 |
| Eruaran | They also love this: | Jul 12 05:39 |
| Eruaran | "have you ever had friends over who use your computer and they always mess up your stuff and you dont want them messing on it ?" | Jul 12 05:40 |
| Eruaran | they say, "oh yeah" | Jul 12 05:40 |
| Eruaran | You click on "Guest" and start a guest session | Jul 12 05:40 |
| Eruaran | and tell people your guest cant get access to your stuff, they can do what they like in the guest session | Jul 12 05:40 |
| Eruaran | customers are like | Jul 12 05:40 |
| Eruaran | 0_0 | Jul 12 05:40 |
| Eruaran | the look on their faces is what I love | Jul 12 05:41 |
| nice | Jul 12 05:41 | |
| Eruaran | for the average person who has only used Windows and is not a fanboy, its the most brilliant thing | Jul 12 05:42 |
| how is kubuntu going? | Jul 12 05:42 | |
| Eruaran | we still install it for people | Jul 12 05:42 |
| Eruaran | But nowhere near as many as Ubuntu | Jul 12 05:42 |
| Eruaran | its mainly because of the package manager | Jul 12 05:42 |
| interesting. | Jul 12 05:42 | |
| ? | Jul 12 05:42 | |
| Eruaran | We love KDE 4.3 | Jul 12 05:43 |
| Eruaran | But KPackageKit is not a 'obvious' to average customers | Jul 12 05:43 |
| ah, kubuntu has moved to 4? | Jul 12 05:43 | |
| Eruaran | its very nice | Jul 12 05:43 |
| Eruaran | yes | Jul 12 05:43 |
| you could install synaptic, but I see the point. | Jul 12 05:43 | |
| Eruaran | Ubuntu's Add/Remove is better for the average joe | Jul 12 05:43 |
| my wife used gnome 1 for years and was happy. | Jul 12 05:44 | |
| gnome 2 bugs us both and she's a kde user now. | Jul 12 05:44 | |
| Eruaran | If KPackageKit just adds a bit more description in the package listings to make it easier for "joe average" to highlight the main package he wants - then it would be sweet. | Jul 12 05:44 |
| I have to admit there's a lot to gnome 2 that is newbie friendly, if annoying. | Jul 12 05:45 | |
| Eruaran | yes | Jul 12 05:45 |
| Eruaran | thats why we end up using it | Jul 12 05:45 |
| things like pop up notifications bug me, but newbies would never know otherwise. | Jul 12 05:45 | |
| Eruaran | although, KDE 4.3 is so nice its tempting | Jul 12 05:45 |
| Eruaran | the new notifications in Ubuntu 9.04 are very nice | Jul 12 05:46 |
| Ubuntu has made some changes from the default gnome desk's file managment that make is a little more bearable, I think. | Jul 12 05:46 | |
| Eruaran | simple, works well, looks nice, newbie friendly | Jul 12 05:46 |
| Eruaran | yes | Jul 12 05:46 |
| Eruaran | For myself I use KDE | Jul 12 05:46 |
| Eruaran | And for users who are a little more familiar with Linux package management I say, "OMG KDE IS TEH RUELZ" | Jul 12 05:47 |
| I cherry pick. | Jul 12 05:47 | |
| Eruaran | But for joe average... Ubuntu. | Jul 12 05:47 |
| kio for konq is cool. | Jul 12 05:47 | |
| Eruaran | yes | Jul 12 05:47 |
| I used to use apt-cache or google for package search. | Jul 12 05:47 | |
| now I use apt:/ | Jul 12 05:47 | |
| Eruaran | I'm going to do a "starters booklet" or something | Jul 12 05:48 |
| Eruaran | For new Ubuntu users. | Jul 12 05:48 |
| it does not start install, but it is easier to look through lists | Jul 12 05:48 | |
| don't they have a starter html? | Jul 12 05:48 | |
| Eruaran | Will save me 15 - 30 minutes explaining things to people. | Jul 12 05:49 |
| I know Mepis has a starter dialog | Jul 12 05:49 | |
| Eruaran | Just by trial I've learned what is most important for newbies to pick up quickly. | Jul 12 05:49 |
| Eruaran | General desktop familiarization, Package Management, and where to find help. | Jul 12 05:49 |
| don't forget email import | Jul 12 05:49 | |
| Eruaran | oh yea | Jul 12 05:49 |
| Eruaran | :P | Jul 12 05:49 |
| Eruaran | yes I'll get onto that as well | Jul 12 05:50 |
| you might just do it for your customers as a service | Jul 12 05:50 | |
| Eruaran | On new computers I do | Jul 12 05:50 |
| Eruaran | email from their old pc | Jul 12 05:51 |
| but as a volunteer it was important to teach | Jul 12 05:51 | |
| Eruaran | with each new linux user I spend a bit of time going through things with them before they take it home | Jul 12 05:51 |
| I think that just about covers the survival stuff. | Jul 12 05:51 | |
| part of where to get help includes showing them included documentation, but the IRC bit is very smart. | Jul 12 05:52 | |
| Eruaran | its the difference between a happy customer who quickly feels at home with their new system, and a customer who quickly becomes frustrated because they are lost. | Jul 12 05:52 |
| 15 minutes of guided use makes the difference. :) | Jul 12 05:52 | |
| Eruaran | the survival stuff is the most important | Jul 12 05:52 |
| Eruaran | yes | Jul 12 05:52 |
| Eruaran | We show people how to use Ubottu | Jul 12 05:54 |
| Eruaran | People love that | Jul 12 05:54 |
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| Eruaran | Its very satisfying when you have happy new Linux customers | Jul 12 05:56 |
| Eruaran | We had one lady where we gave her a dual boot XP/Ubuntu setup | Jul 12 05:57 |
| Eruaran | Her mother came in and asked for Ubuntu, her brother in law and a friend of theirs as well.. all came in requesting Ubuntu installs. | Jul 12 05:57 |
| Eruaran | When you do it right, its a growing market. ;) | Jul 12 05:58 |
| Eruaran | I can't stress to people in the industry enough that when you do it right, the feedback you get from customers is tremendously positive. And demand grows. | Jul 12 06:02 |
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| megapixels of creepy resolution http://avpress.com/n/09/0709_s3.hts | Jul 12 06:31 | |
| Omar871 | Hi all | Jul 12 06:31 |
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| fewa | yeah miro is awesome | Jul 12 06:57 |
| fewa | super easy to use for people | Jul 12 06:58 |
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| Ha ha. Man who "managed to avoid the Vista disaster" is put in charge of Vista 7 -> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/168131/microsoft_puts_disciplined_sinofsky_in_charge_of_windows_7.html | Jul 12 07:43 | |
| M$, there's no place there to hide from disaster. | Jul 12 07:43 | |
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| Ha ha, computer world and the SPI don't diddle over where blame for LSE failures should be laid. http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/173270.asp | Jul 12 08:03 | |
| -> Though the LSE denied the outage was caused by the TradElect system, it is widely believed in London trading circles that the problem was the Windows-based platform, Computer World reported. | Jul 12 08:04 | |
| Splat. Stating the obvious. | Jul 12 08:04 | |
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| yuhong | Peer-to-Peer has just shut down. | Jul 12 08:08 |
| yuhong | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090709/1907055504.shtml | Jul 12 08:09 |
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| Guest_327 | Peer-to-Patent | Jul 12 08:10 |
| -> But last week, the Financial Times reported, the LSE "appears set" to dump the Windows-based system.a | Jul 12 08:13 | |
| http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/38193380-627c-11de-b1c9-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1 | Jul 12 08:13 | |
| Guest_327 | I read they applied a fix and it solved it, but im not sure. | Jul 12 08:14 |
| fixed by GNU/Linux. | Jul 12 08:14 | |
| -> Ajay Shah, a senior fellow at the National Institute for Public Finance and Policy in New Delhi, India, pointed out in a blog post that the LSE ranks much lower in trades per second. Based on official numbers, Shah estimated the LSE executes about 30 trades per second - the New York Stock Exchange does an estimated 590 per second. | Jul 12 08:15 | |
| SPI did not mess around with blame games like trolls on BN did. | Jul 12 08:15 | |
| Guest_327 | NYSE is MUCH larger yes | Jul 12 08:15 |
| Guest_327 | "A spokesman for the exchange told silicon.com: "It was a software issue relating to connectivity where two unpredictable events coincided and the fix now prevents these two things happening at the same time. As it is not a hardware issue, the outage was not related to volumes and that is the reason why we did not automatically switch to a backup site."" | Jul 12 08:20 |
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| Guest_327 | arnt most events unpredictable :) ?? | Jul 12 08:21 |
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| here you go. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/01/lse-platform-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-69336 | Jul 12 08:25 | |
| Just like Roy said, the failure was M$'s. GNU/Linux exchanges handle an order of magnitude more trades without problems, so that's probably where the LSE is going. | Jul 12 08:27 | |
| _Goblin | hello | Jul 12 08:28 |
| _Goblin | all | Jul 12 08:28 |
| bonus info, the pictures of system calls for both GNU/Linux-Apache and Windows Server - IIS http://web.archive.org/web/20060615055607/http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/?p=311 | Jul 12 08:29 | |
| Hello Goblin. | Jul 12 08:29 | |
| We were just talking about a nice little article that does away with most of the M$ defense in comments to Roy's LSE failure article. | Jul 12 08:31 | |
| See here http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/01/lse-platform-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-69336 | Jul 12 08:31 | |
| Diablo-D3 | lse? | Jul 12 08:31 |
| _Goblin | ah - Ive been away, not much time for IRC....reading now | Jul 12 08:31 |
| This stuff is easy and obvious but Lefty and EET tried so hard to spin it around and call Roy a liar. | Jul 12 08:31 | |
| Guest_327 | london stock exchange | Jul 12 08:31 |
| Oh yeah. The one pictured here: mms://wm.microsoft.com/ms/windowsserversystem/facts/videos/LSE_CaseStudy_Rev_300k.wmv | Jul 12 08:32 | |
| anyone know how to download that mms crap? | Jul 12 08:32 | |
| Konq plays it without a hitch, but I did not see a way to save it. | Jul 12 08:33 | |
| I'm sure there are better clips of traders walking off the floor last september. | Jul 12 08:34 | |
| Guest_327 | has the LSE made any announcement about dumping ms ? | Jul 12 08:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: oh thats easy | Jul 12 08:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | mplayer -dumpstream | Jul 12 08:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | then look for a file named stream.out or something | Jul 12 08:40 |
| None other than SPI dug up. | Jul 12 08:43 | |
| Funny, YouTube's "Get the Facts Video" is higher quality than the one hosted by M$ themselves as a WMV. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSM55bsCrM | Jul 12 08:44 | |
| Someone should comment there about the recent failure facts. | Jul 12 08:44 | |
| But then again, on 66 people had been interested enough to watch that excruciatingly boring advertisement. | Jul 12 08:45 | |
| _Goblin | off topic: the latest Wine ver takes an eternity to compile :( | Jul 12 08:46 |
| sorry to hear that. | Jul 12 08:47 | |
| _Goblin | I'm damned if its going to beat me. | Jul 12 08:47 |
| I wonder if OpenMosix works for compiling | Jul 12 08:47 | |
| _Goblin | isnt that dead? | Jul 12 08:48 |
| I don't know. I'm sure you can get it if you want it. | Jul 12 08:49 | |
| _Goblin | I'm sure the project is dead.... | Jul 12 08:49 |
| _Goblin | shame.... | Jul 12 08:49 |
| I was reading about it just the other day. | Jul 12 08:49 | |
| _Goblin | just found it on sourceforge | Jul 12 08:50 |
| yes, the source is available to any one who wants it. http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ | Jul 12 08:50 | |
| what replaced it? | Jul 12 08:50 | |
| _Goblin | pass... | Jul 12 08:51 |
| _Goblin | I'm busy assisting on a PSX project at the moment that has been ressurrected... | Jul 12 08:51 |
| _Goblin | and I have many "in the pipeline" jobs, otherwise Openmosix seems pretty interesting.... | Jul 12 08:52 |
| Here's a list of "Instant" cluster CDs | Jul 12 08:53 | |
| http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/instant_openmosix_clusters.html | Jul 12 08:53 | |
| _Goblin | offtopic again: .25 of Wine is pretty impressive, its supporting some very advanced DX hacks...tested it with a few demo's of old.... | Jul 12 08:56 |
| _Goblin | its already years ahead of XPM..(IMO) | Jul 12 08:57 |
| _Goblin | and I'm loving Wolvix (I wish I could remember which user here recommended it so I could credit them with the find) | Jul 12 08:58 |
| _Goblin | thought of the day: Ubuntu will be the Vista of Linux (given time) | Jul 12 09:04 |
| _Goblin | its only since I did an install of 9.04 for a nieghbour that I've been reminded what a bloated sluggish handholding distro it is....thats forgetting the cheeky little Mono infection which is subtle enough to bring a whole generation of ex-Windows users under the grasp of Microsoft once again. | Jul 12 09:06 |
| I think it would take about a century for Ubuntu to become Vista. | Jul 12 09:08 | |
| _Goblin | the only thing thats good in 9.04 is the boot time and even that is not really an improvement on #!CBL which is based on 8.10 | Jul 12 09:08 |
| _Goblin | true twitter, but for a Linux distro it would be a Vista. | Jul 12 09:08 |
| _Goblin | Vista's Linux cousin so to speak. | Jul 12 09:09 |
| Sure, for an insect, it's an elephant. | Jul 12 09:09 | |
| This is probably why people tell me that Wubi works so well. | Jul 12 09:10 | |
| The elephant hardly notices the happy little penguins riding on it. | Jul 12 09:10 | |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf is wubi again? (lol) | Jul 12 09:10 |
| _Goblin | I am convinced that Ubuntu will be the distro of choice for all newcommers and users who don't want to learn linux, simply have one click fixes for everything. This IMO will be the downfall of Ubuntu to the rest of the community and why in a few years time instead of laughing at Microsofts inability to get a decent OS on the shelves, we will be firing that at Canonical (IMO) | Jul 12 09:11 |
| _Goblin | and I can't understand why Mandriva still gets overlooked for Ubuntu. | Jul 12 09:11 |
| As long as M$ is still non free, we will be able to cry about their incompetence. | Jul 12 09:12 | |
| Diablo-D3 | ms should go free, to be honest | Jul 12 09:12 |
| _Goblin | I think MS's future is in custom software solutions for Enterprise.... | Jul 12 09:12 |
| I'm not concerned about Canonical one way or another. They seem to be doing well. | Jul 12 09:13 | |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: so why didnt they just buy sun | Jul 12 09:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | fucking morons | Jul 12 09:13 |
| Mepis is another nice, easy distro. | Jul 12 09:13 | |
| Diablo-D3 | ibm is probably going to buy oracle now | Jul 12 09:13 |
| _Goblin | MS and Sun? what about the OO issue? | Jul 12 09:13 |
| _Goblin | monopolies etc.... | Jul 12 09:14 |
| ODF will be used by people with a clue. | Jul 12 09:14 | |
| _Goblin | true twitter. | Jul 12 09:14 |
| _Goblin | theres no doubt in my mind Openoffice will be the destroyer of MS office... | Jul 12 09:14 |
| M$ is running out of money to buy shills and government corruption. M$ Office can use ODF too, if they want. | Jul 12 09:15 | |
| Guest_327 | what does it do that msoffice does not ? | Jul 12 09:15 |
| _Goblin | although personally I love Abiword and have no need of an office suite... | Jul 12 09:15 |
| _Goblin | guest_327: Nothing really, except it does the same and its free. Thats the point. | Jul 12 09:15 |
| It's what M$ Office never has done, preserve your documents in a machine independent way. | Jul 12 09:15 | |
| _Goblin | mind you if you want to pay for it guest, Ill sell you a copy of OO for £200....if it makes you feel better. | Jul 12 09:16 |
| OOXML is contradictory and incomplete because .DOC was. | Jul 12 09:16 | |
| _Goblin | agreed completely. | Jul 12 09:17 |
| _Goblin | brb smoke time. | Jul 12 09:17 |
| twitter sleeps | Jul 12 09:17 | |
| Diablo-D3 | [04:32:36] <_Goblin> MS and Sun? what about the OO issue? | Jul 12 09:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | there isnt one | Jul 12 09:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | oo is an open source project | Jul 12 09:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | sun would officially drop it | Jul 12 09:19 |
| _Goblin | back. | Jul 12 09:21 |
| _Goblin | if MS owned sun, how would that be interpretted? | Jul 12 09:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | synergistic technology integration. | Jul 12 09:22 |
| _Goblin | since MS is in trouble for merely bundling a browser in their own OS.... | Jul 12 09:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | java would end | Jul 12 09:22 |
| _Goblin | and now having to release a E version of windows. | Jul 12 09:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the good parts would be in .net 5 | Jul 12 09:22 |
| _Goblin | as well as presumably a fine. | Jul 12 09:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | java would be an officially supported .net language | Jul 12 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they'd teach their .net framework to also load java bytecode | Jul 12 09:23 |
| Guest_327 | if MS really wanted to split FOSS, they would have bought SUN, but mabey they would not be allowed to for anti-compettive things | Jul 12 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd also be in the server hardware business | Jul 12 09:23 |
| _Goblin | Im sure jo shields would be ephoric about that... | Jul 12 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont care about the DOJ | Jul 12 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | I also do not care about the DOJ, they refuse to do squat shit | Jul 12 09:23 |
| _Goblin | finally..........compile finished... | Jul 12 09:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Mint 7 Gets Wonderful Reviews http://ping.fm/kw7N4 http://ping.fm/CClXu | Jul 12 09:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia Said to be Turning to Android Phones at Symbians Expense http://ping.fm/qSAoE | Jul 12 09:47 | |
| _Goblin | wine --version | Jul 12 09:50 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK Charity Embraces Free Software http://ping.fm/7Jn4k | Jul 12 09:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Brazilian President Puts His ODF Hat on http://ping.fm/tz445 | Jul 12 09:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Symbian Embraces the In Inevitable: Free/Open Source World http://ping.fm/vZWLa http://ping.fm/JiwO2 | Jul 12 10:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FreeBSD Success Shows That Free Operating Systems Go Beyond Linux http://ping.fm/sqTVR | Jul 12 10:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company Created by ex-Microsoft Employee Uses 'Secret' Numbers to Vilify GPL http://ping.fm/1KvZF | Jul 12 10:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Stands in the Way of Web Standards -- Again http://ping.fm/XSwxh http://ping.fm/nVQsL | Jul 12 10:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Obama Owns His Own Face, But AP Claims Otherwise http://ping.fm/4A9HC | Jul 12 10:18 | |
| schestowitz | It's conspiring rather | Jul 12 10:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cory: ISPs Should be Punished for Colluding with Hollywood http://ping.fm/tn2AP | Jul 12 10:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Could EFF or FSF Sue Microsoft for Slander with Patents? http://ping.fm/D9w22 | Jul 12 10:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kentucky Citizens Pay for Windows Failure http://ping.fm/CVt9c | Jul 12 10:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Bribes Bloggers Debate is Revisited http://ping.fm/FYYJd http://ping.fm/EyV1p | Jul 12 10:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Signs That Vista 7 Will be Another Vista http://ping.fm/ScoMN | Jul 12 10:29 | |
| _Goblin | oops | Jul 12 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I used PCLinuxOS 2009 for almost a week (very little though) | Jul 12 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Mint is to Ubuntu what PCLOS is to Mandriva. Great for many users. It has codecs, Flash on the Live CD, it has a nice look and feel, Mandriva's control front ends... probably a better Mandriva than Mandriva. | Jul 12 10:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: you should try PCLOS | Jul 12 10:36 |
| _Goblin | Wolvix has my love now! | Jul 12 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Since you praised Driva | Jul 12 10:36 |
| schestowitz | There's also a 2009.1 out... days old. | Jul 12 10:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: that's good too | Jul 12 10:37 |
| schestowitz | From a painter in Norway IIRC | Jul 12 10:37 |
| schestowitz | ]Slackware based ... scary | Jul 12 10:37 |
| _Goblin | the family PC is Mandriva... | Jul 12 10:37 |
| _Goblin | Ill take a look at PCLOS | Jul 12 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Try PCLOS at some stage as well. They are almost the same | Jul 12 10:37 |
| schestowitz | PCLOS comes with more stuff AFAICT | Jul 12 10:38 |
| _Goblin | Ive got 4 other machines I can stick it on. | Jul 12 10:38 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't support Mandriva as a company | Jul 12 10:38 |
| _Goblin | just about to compile UAE... | Jul 12 10:39 |
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| fewa | Silva, the president of Brazil, used no prompter for his speech on Free Software | Jul 12 11:09 |
| fewa | that guy is awesome | Jul 12 11:09 |
| fewa | :P | Jul 12 11:09 |
| schestowitz | Nice video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQq1dMdYxHs&feature=related | Jul 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, seems so! They love him. | Jul 12 11:14 |
| fewa | arggg my evolution stopped working | Jul 12 11:21 |
| fewa | it seg fault right when i start it | Jul 12 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe bad config files? | Jul 12 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Try renaming .evolution | Jul 12 11:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: hey you | Jul 12 11:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | you never answered my question from the other day | Jul 12 11:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | what language do you like using? | Jul 12 11:34 |
| schestowitz | These days i do bash/shell scripting | Jul 12 11:35 |
| schestowitz | I used to do C/C++ | Jul 12 11:35 |
| schestowitz | With Java I spent less than a year, so.. | Jul 12 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | you should consider taking up java again | Jul 12 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: thanks. :-) I'm not programming much these days though. | Jul 12 11:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | you should | Jul 12 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one listens to someone who doesnt program | Jul 12 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Agreed, but it would distract from my focus at this stage | Jul 12 12:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | having political capital is always useful. | Jul 12 12:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | fighting microsoft is a game of politics | Jul 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz | "YouTube is down for maintenance and will be back shortly." :-( | Jul 12 12:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: take my advice, program. | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | It would limit my ability to keep informed of events | Jul 12 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Linus has the opposite syndrome | Jul 12 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | You're overthinking it. | Jul 12 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | Program. | Jul 12 12:10 |
| schestowitz | He does not keep up with events other than Linux. It's a good thing until it comes to him facing software patents and other issues he suddenly admits he needs to learn about | Jul 12 12:11 |
| schestowitz | RMS stopped programming (not emacs, either) | Jul 12 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Linus does not program much, either. He manages. He wrote about this in his blog. | Jul 12 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes, but to become one of them, you must do it through programming. | Jul 12 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | Only people like them have any political clout in the FOSS world. | Jul 12 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | You are not one of them... yet. | Jul 12 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of pundits have nothing to do with programming | Jul 12 12:17 |
| schestowitz | They have background in the arts or something | Jul 12 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Or English | Jul 12 12:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | pundits dont matter here. | Jul 12 12:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the foss universe does not work like the rest of the world | Jul 12 12:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | write something specifically in java and make something people really want to use | Jul 12 12:21 |
| schestowitz | I made a unique program which uses Java for GUI | Jul 12 12:21 |
| schestowitz | But it's scientific | Jul 12 12:22 |
| Guest_327 | programmers are the only ones with any FOSS clout, they are the ones who own the code. | Jul 12 12:22 |
| schestowitz | It's not for broad use | Jul 12 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: exactly, you need something.... | Jul 12 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need something that goes beyond being interesting | Jul 12 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need something that goes beyond that and becomes boring yet again | Jul 12 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need something that becomes boring, every day, and ubiquitous. | Jul 12 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | this will give you the political power you need. | Jul 12 12:23 |
| schestowitz | There is no technical itch | Jul 12 12:25 |
| schestowitz | The itch is to do with unethical workings in the software industry | Jul 12 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Knuth had a technical itch | Jul 12 12:26 |
| schestowitz | So he took off and did Latex for a few years | Jul 12 12:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | Then acquire a technical itch. | Jul 12 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm.. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/rss/story/*http://biz.yahoo.com/e/090710/rht10-q.html | Jul 12 12:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | feh, I already read that | Jul 12 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: you can find one, not acquire one | Jul 12 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | ever take a look at redhat's balance sheet? | Jul 12 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | its great BUT | Jul 12 12:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont make enough profit | Jul 12 12:29 |
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| Diablo-D3 | their RoE avg for the past 5 years is 10% | Jul 12 12:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and their p/e is entirely too high | Jul 12 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | they know what they're doing, but it'd be a poor investment at the current price. | Jul 12 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat also buys back stock, but it's not a concern | Jul 12 12:30 |
| schestowitz | IBM depends on Linux development and others do too, so there will always be someone to built the 'GNU system' | Jul 12 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | to be fair, though, popular tech stocks have high p/es | Jul 12 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you know what the next big thing is? | Jul 12 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | the next generation linux desktop | Jul 12 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | xorg is on it's way out, wayland is the most suitable replacement | Jul 12 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I fear mono may creep it's way into that end of the spectrum. | Jul 12 12:32 |
| schestowitz | I think Red Hat does wayland | Jul 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Intel too is involved | Jul 12 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | They do. | Jul 12 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | And they are | Jul 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat does not mess with Mono | Jul 12 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I think you misunderstood | Jul 12 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Mono will sneak it's tendrils into Wayland | Jul 12 12:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Executive Quits as Microsoft’s Startup Business Accelerator Shrinks http://ping.fm/YdWfp | Jul 12 12:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lenovo Wants GNU/Linux Users to Pay Microsoft for Imaginary Patents http://ping.fm/VKwaj | Jul 12 13:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] An atheist asks theologians to put up or shut up: http://is.gd/1vUQc "evolutionary Christology" is the riposte to Dawkins, apparently | Jul 12 13:05 | |
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| Guest_327 | thank God for Atheist's !! | Jul 12 13:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IDG’s Microsoft Subnet Spreads Linux FUD, Cites Microsoft Pundits http://ping.fm/D29Fi | Jul 12 13:31 | |
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| _Hicham_ | hi oiaohm | Jul 12 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Hi _Hicham_ | Jul 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 12 13:34 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : anything about the mono promise? | Jul 12 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I wrote 3 posts about it | Jul 12 13:35 |
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| oiaohm | The mono promise don't make its technical issues dissappear. | Jul 12 13:38 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : what technical issues? | Jul 12 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Same technical issues that ended Java run at applications on desktop. | Jul 12 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Poor intergration. Leading to poor performance compared to native solutions. | Jul 12 13:45 |
| oiaohm | MS created .net to beat java and has aquired the same problems. | Jul 12 13:46 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass << I kinda expect .net to end up treated like this from java. | Jul 12 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Unless they get on top the the intergration issue. | Jul 12 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Nice place to create prototypes but long term replaced by something else native. | Jul 12 13:51 |
| _Hicham_ | the project looking glass will not succeed i think | Jul 12 13:55 |
| oiaohm | It has | Jul 12 13:55 |
| oiaohm | It is where compiz idea comes from _Hicham_ | Jul 12 13:55 |
| _Hicham_ | when did it start ? | Jul 12 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Looking glass was first displayed publically in 2003. | Jul 12 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Looking glass project basically ending in 2007 | Jul 12 13:57 |
| oiaohm | compiz and other things have been taking up its ideas. | Jul 12 13:57 |
| _Hicham_ | and when did compiz start ? | Jul 12 13:57 |
| oiaohm | 2006 | Jul 12 13:57 |
| _Hicham_ | personally, I don't think of Java as a viable alternative to native solutions | Jul 12 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Neither is .net. | Jul 12 13:58 |
| _Hicham_ | plus, If i was to use bytecode, I d prefer python | Jul 12 13:58 |
| Guest_327 | The first version of Compiz was released as free software by Novell (SUSE) in January 2006 in the wake of the also new Xgl. | Jul 12 13:59 |
| _Hicham_ | python is 100% open-source | Jul 12 13:59 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, Novell did great when they released compiz | Jul 12 13:59 |
| trmanco | 2.5D? I just learned something today | Jul 12 13:59 |
| trmanco | :> | Jul 12 13:59 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : what did u learn? | Jul 12 14:00 |
| oiaohm | 2.5D is a nick name for 3d faked using 2d methods. | Jul 12 14:00 |
| trmanco | I didn't know that 2.5D existed | Jul 12 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Note I said nick name. | Jul 12 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Its not a offical name. | Jul 12 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Because techincally you cannot have half a demension. | Jul 12 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Its a bit like tomboy vs gnote. | Jul 12 14:02 |
| oiaohm | When compiz was first released lot of people from the Looking Glass camp raged on it. | Jul 12 14:03 |
| trmanco | I see | Jul 12 14:04 |
| oiaohm | History is repeating and lot of people don't know the history to see it. | Jul 12 14:04 |
| Guest_327 | that must mean we failed to learn the lesson the first time around !. | Jul 12 14:05 |
| oiaohm | If we learnt lessions first time around we would have less wars. | Jul 12 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact humans don't learn first time around. If lucky most likely 20 time around. | Jul 12 14:07 |
| Guest_327 | I dont really agree, I dont think that "all people are idiots". | Jul 12 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Lets take the first Iraq war. History tells us what will happen if you leave a dictator in charage. Lets disregard history and stop before killing problem. | Jul 12 14:10 |
| Guest_327 | yet, we happily let other dictators continue to lead, yes I know | Jul 12 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Once you have started attacking a dictator. | Jul 12 14:12 |
| oiaohm | If you don't finish job dictator will treat there people worse. | Jul 12 14:12 |
| oiaohm | In almost all cases through out history. | Jul 12 14:12 |
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| akira42 | hello folks | Jul 12 14:13 |
| _Goblin | hi | Jul 12 14:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got a couple of episodes of Torchwood to catch up on.... | Jul 12 14:18 | |
| schestowitz | Hi, akira42 | Jul 12 14:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gartner Group Pretends Only Microsoft Competes with VMware, Novell Helps Microsoft Too http://ping.fm/PGcpn | Jul 12 14:25 | |
| _Hicham_ | openSUSE 11.2 will be one of the greatest releases ever done | Jul 12 14:31 |
| _Hicham_ | they are really doing a great job | Jul 12 14:31 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know why Mandriva Control Center and Yast haven't been ported to other Distros | Jul 12 14:31 |
| _Hicham_ | If we can have a unified GUI config tools, we can spare a lot of linux fragmentation | Jul 12 14:32 |
| _Hicham_ | a unified control center will ease the user's experience | Jul 12 14:32 |
| oiaohm | There have been many attempts a unified control center. | Jul 12 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Most current is policykit. | Jul 12 14:35 |
| oiaohm | What is more building a unified framework to build a unified control center on. | Jul 12 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 12 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | suse sucks, quit promoting a novell product | Jul 12 14:37 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : SUSE sucks based on what? | Jul 12 14:37 |
| oiaohm | yast is kinda heavy for what it does. | Jul 12 14:38 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : yast haven't been retouched for years | Jul 12 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: well, they failed to base it on debian | Jul 12 14:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its automatically an epic failure | Jul 12 14:39 |
| _Hicham_ | how do u know? | Jul 12 14:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | [09:58:22] <Diablo-D3> _Hicham_: well, they failed to base it on debian | Jul 12 14:40 |
| _Hicham_ | the yast4debian have been abondanded because of lack of interest | Jul 12 14:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yesterday's firefox/gmail brokenness has cleared up. i suspect it was a symptom of running an ubuntu alpha. breakage happens. | Jul 12 14:40 | |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, because we already have a superior package management system | Jul 12 14:40 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not only about package management | Jul 12 14:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, its also the packaging policy, which debian's is also superior | Jul 12 14:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] how to become an expert debian admin: run ubuntu alphas. you'll learn to fix everything along the way. everything. | Jul 12 14:41 | |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf is bnc repeating? | Jul 12 14:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | because that david gerard guy is making a fool of himself | Jul 12 14:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | you run debian unstable for a decade and then you can call yourself an expert debian admin | Jul 12 14:42 |
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| _Goblin | isnt he just being flippant? | Jul 12 14:43 |
| _Goblin | I think a little sarcasm in there aswell. | Jul 12 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, I suspect he may actually think that | Jul 12 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | and how the fuck did ubuntu fuck up firefox | Jul 12 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like they have much in the way of patches that arent sourced from upstream | Jul 12 14:44 |
| _Goblin | Wouldn't know, but UAE refused to boot to a 68020 workbench for me so it wouldnt surprise me... | Jul 12 14:44 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_: webmin and usermin created in perl running a webbrowser takes less resources than yast to do a lot of things. Really I would like something that made webmin and useradmin work on normal desktop without needing to run them as servers. | Jul 12 14:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: dude | Jul 12 14:45 |
| Guest_327 | how is webmin going, I have not used that for years, | Jul 12 14:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | USING SSH TAKES LESS RESOURCES THAN *. | Jul 12 14:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Learn. To. Admin. Your. Machine. Faggot. | Jul 12 14:46 |
| _Goblin | thats not very nice. | Jul 12 14:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | Expecting Linux to be Windows is not very nice | Jul 12 14:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I find it offensive too | Jul 12 14:46 |
| oiaohm | For newer users Diablo-D3. | Jul 12 14:46 |
| _Goblin | and what does a scottish delecacy have to do with Linux? | Jul 12 14:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: I want to see your guts stuffed and on a plate. | Jul 12 14:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: Dude | Jul 12 14:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I came to linux to get away from them | Jul 12 14:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | their "needs" always fuck shit up | Jul 12 14:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | "oh, we only want to use a mouse! keyboards are so haaaaaaard!" | Jul 12 14:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | well go buy a fucking mac then | Jul 12 14:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] freda had her first phone conversation! with liz. "hello diz" and "bye bye diz". she understands there are people in the phone now. :-D | Jul 12 14:48 | |
| _Goblin | diablo-d3: my, we are a potty mouth today. | Jul 12 14:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | I like getting shit done, and when I get shit done, I like getting it done 10 times faster | Jul 12 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Sorry Diablo-D3 I have been using Linux since 1994. I don't believe in the idea that everything has to be command line for everyone. | Jul 12 14:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I've been using linux as my primary desktop os | Jul 12 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Some people are not safe to be let near configuration files without instructions. | Jul 12 14:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Jul 12 14:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I've been using linux as my primary desktop os for over a decade | Jul 12 14:49 |
| _Goblin | wow - well thats me impressed. | Jul 12 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Note since 1994 as a desktop by the way Diablo-D3 | Jul 12 14:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im just saying oiaohm | Jul 12 14:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | you and I have been around forever | Jul 12 14:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | linux does not need to fag itself up like windows has | Jul 12 14:50 |
| _Goblin | Is this a how old are you competition? Can I join in? | Jul 12 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | I do stuff almost exclusively in a terminal. | Jul 12 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Yet it does not need to be nasty to end users. | Jul 12 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: but thats the problem | Jul 12 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at osx | Jul 12 14:50 |
| Guest_327 | How old _Goblin ?? | Jul 12 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | it didnt intentionally piss me off | Jul 12 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Not everyone is going to be a command line person. | Jul 12 14:50 |
| _Goblin | 36.97 | Jul 12 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | but it has really gimped the way Terminal.app works | Jul 12 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: wtf, you're ancient | Jul 12 14:51 |
| Guest_327 | pup LOL | Jul 12 14:51 |
| _Goblin | I win then. | Jul 12 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm 26 | Jul 12 14:51 |
| oiaohm | I use a mixture of webmin and terminal. | Jul 12 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never use webmin | Jul 12 14:51 |
| _Goblin | so then the "forever" comment was a little wrong? | Jul 12 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: not at all | Jul 12 14:51 |
| oiaohm | webmin is particularly handy at times on mult machine management. | Jul 12 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | 99% of linux users came after us | Jul 12 14:51 |
| _Goblin | ah...... | Jul 12 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | me and oiaohm remember when we could count linux users on one hand | Jul 12 14:52 |
| _Goblin | I know you cant see me but I'm standing here in awe....really I am... | Jul 12 14:52 |
| Guest_327 | now theres the sarcasm :) | Jul 12 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously though, I dont like GUIs | Jul 12 14:52 |
| _Goblin | :) | Jul 12 14:52 |
| oiaohm | I remember hearing about Linux in 1992 when I was using BSD for things. | Jul 12 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never will | Jul 12 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Some people will be like you Diablo-D3. | Jul 12 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, you guys have to like select files and then drag them to somewhere to move them | Jul 12 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what I do? | Jul 12 14:53 |
| _Goblin | I remember going to Summerslam at Wembly in 1992...whats the point? | Jul 12 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | mv shit elsewhere | Jul 12 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | tada! | Jul 12 14:53 |
| oiaohm | I don't mind gui's. | Jul 12 14:53 |
| Guest_327 | I was using the internet before there was one, and we'll before there were browsers and "the web". | Jul 12 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Particualarly when they are well done. | Jul 12 14:53 |
| Guest_327 | if you didn't know command line, FTP and telnet you were screwed | Jul 12 14:53 |
| oiaohm | So you remember using good old gopher | Jul 12 14:53 |
| _Goblin | well thats nothing guest...I was around when Moses placed the 10 commandments into the ark | Jul 12 14:53 |
| Guest_327 | yes | Jul 12 14:53 |
| Guest_327 | and BBS's | Jul 12 14:53 |
| _Goblin | they were GPL by the way. | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: oh yeah? | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | IM GOD | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I created the universe | Jul 12 14:54 |
| _Goblin | and I came before that. | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I existed _before_ time | Jul 12 14:54 |
| _Goblin | I got in first....I win. | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | so seriously though | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | guis only work for some things | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Guest_327 | how long "before time", ?? | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | file management isnt one of them | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, you know what really pissed me off about osx? | Jul 12 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I had to double click on a folder named applications | Jul 12 14:55 |
| oiaohm | OS X dumbs the interfaces down. | Jul 12 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | then double click the application | Jul 12 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats five clicks. | Jul 12 14:55 |
| Guest_327 | so dont use it | Jul 12 14:55 |
| Guest_327 | problem solved | Jul 12 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | (yes, five, osx sometimes refused to double click when you double clicked on the folder before selecting it) | Jul 12 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10.5 finally ripped off quicksilver's alt-space shit | Jul 12 14:56 |
| _Goblin | I think the GUI removed the "eliteness" of computer use to many...I think many users still live in an age where the only computer hobbyists were the "l33t" | Jul 12 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | so I could just alt-space then type the app name in | Jul 12 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | so much fucking easier | Jul 12 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I still cant execute complex commands with it | Jul 12 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its kinda gimped | Jul 12 14:57 |
| _Goblin | to me I dont care, where I draw the line is the ultra high level dev kits that allow anyone to be a dev at the expense of writing software that requires 4x as much processing power as it should and takes up 10x the space.... | Jul 12 14:57 |
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| Guest_327 | no you have things called applications that do the complex stuff for you, | Jul 12 14:57 |
| oiaohm | webmin also makes my life lazy. I don't need to remember where solarias bsd and many different distributions put there configurations for lot of common things. | Jul 12 14:58 |
| oiaohm | The advantage of a good configuration tool is reduced items you have to remember. And less risk of making major errors. | Jul 12 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats the thing | Jul 12 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I only use debian | Jul 12 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | all other distros and operating systems simply are wrong. | Jul 12 15:01 |
| Guest_327 | the difference between an application like webmin and using the command line you can incorporate more safety and error checking using an appplication, but with a command line its more of a risk with no checking | Jul 12 15:01 |
| _Goblin | Sorry can I make a quick correction: | Jul 12 15:02 |
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| Guest_327 | there are alot of good operating systems out there. | Jul 12 15:02 |
| _Goblin | Faggots, or savoury ducks as they are called in some parts of Britain are thought to be of Roman origin. Faggots can be left until cold, if desired, then broken apart and reheated in a tin. | Jul 12 15:02 |
| _Goblin | So the Romans invented them, not the scottish....sorry guys. | Jul 12 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: difference between you and me. I am a broad OS using admin. So I do like good gui tools. I will be truthful there are not many good configuration tools out there. | Jul 12 15:03 |
| Guest_327 | I thought they were a bunch of sticks tied up with string "a faggot of sticks" | Jul 12 15:03 |
| _Goblin | yeah thats another one... | Jul 12 15:03 |
| _Goblin | I used to like faggots.. | Jul 12 15:03 |
| _Goblin | they give me heartburn now. | Jul 12 15:03 |
| _Goblin | Diablo: Whats your distro of choice? | Jul 12 15:04 |
| Guest_327 | whats the spelling of the food one, I would have guessed it was "fagette" | Jul 12 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Most common mistake is requiring admins to hit advance buttons all the time and never having a option always open in advance mode. Ie I am an admin I know what I am doing I don't need to be protected from seeing options. | Jul 12 15:04 |
| _Goblin | guest..it is faggot: http://www.fatbadgers.co.uk/Britain/food.htm#f | Jul 12 15:05 |
| oiaohm | One day for the hell of it I have to run webmin under windows. | Jul 12 15:05 |
| Guest_327 | A good admin and configuration application will have version control, config settings saving and re-call, and basic security /error checking. | Jul 12 15:05 |
| oiaohm | If you mean file version control ie snapshots on filesystem to roll back to webmin is missing. But you can using configuration saving option. basic secuirty/error checking feature is not in webmin and but I do threw other tools. | Jul 12 15:08 |
| Guest_327 | ok, I dont remember it being in Webmin when I used it either, that said I also think a well written stardard Bash script file will also work, but webmin is convienent | Jul 12 15:10 |
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| oiaohm | Cluster user and system configuring of webmin is handy even accross different OS's. | Jul 12 15:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Microsoft Gags Dissenters and Bribes or Rewards Supporters http://ping.fm/xKk4E | Jul 12 15:21 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | [10:23:24] <_Goblin> Diablo: Whats your distro of choice? | Jul 12 15:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian | Jul 12 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jul 12 16:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Has successfully configured Synergy! :D | Jul 12 16:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] O SR.Lula é que tem juizo -> http://is.gd/1w5FZ | Jul 12 17:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] just filled bookshelf. enough room now in older teen's room to see long-missing crockery on floor. hrmm. | Jul 12 18:11 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-08-013-35-OP-MS-DV-0014 "No, I did not read the "fine" article. Based on the title and the blurb this seems to be part and parcel of SJVN's attitude after the Microsot and Novell announced their deal which exploited a loophole they had found in GPLv2: What, me worry? It's a wonderful day in the Microsoft neighborhood!" | Jul 12 18:37 |
| schestowitz | SJVN has been /so/ consistent with his opinion on MS/Novell | Jul 12 18:37 |
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| Hmm, I just noticed some funny business with my Slashdot journal. | Jul 12 19:08 | |
| First, all the icons had changed from what I set them to to AMD. I'd dismiss that as some kind of system thing if it were not for my listing of accepted stories icon being changed to "PC Games" | Jul 12 19:09 | |
| I corrected the listing back to the default "user journal" icon. | Jul 12 19:09 | |
| I also noticed a story fell out of the listing. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/18/1512243 | Jul 12 19:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mono Roundup: Microsoft Following, Deception, and the Moonlight ‘Extend’ Phase http://ping.fm/VMzbj | Jul 12 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | Slashdot allows itself to be gamed | Jul 12 19:14 |
| schestowitz | It should at least talk openly about how PR agents game it | Jul 12 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Though it would ruin the site's credibility | Jul 12 19:15 |
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| Looks like someone was playing games. | Jul 12 19:19 | |
| These things were mine and a good reference for everyone. | Jul 12 19:20 | |
| Those icons should not have changed and I'm reasonably sure that I found every one of my published stories from 2007. | Jul 12 19:20 | |
| Here's an example with a flipped icon. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/231929 | Jul 12 19:20 | |
| I've changed my admittedly weak password but I'm not sure that will fix things. | Jul 12 19:21 | |
| What I'm saying is that someone figured out how to be me on Slashdot. | Jul 12 19:21 | |
| They started with subtle things, now I have to watch the comments. | Jul 12 19:22 | |
| Nothing yet. | Jul 12 19:22 | |
| I'm not in a place where I can check old an old copy of my listing index or the Vista failure log for changes. | Jul 12 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | Groklaw protects readers from abuse | Jul 12 19:26 |
| schestowitz | BN is not good at that because nothing gets censored | Jul 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | So some readers stopped commenting when the trolls attacked them in the comments, unchallenged | Jul 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | They try to turn blogs they don't like into zoos/cesspools, at least in the minds of passing readers | Jul 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I feel helpless when I can't help/defend others who are more sensitive (thin skin) to abuse from trolls | Jul 12 19:30 |
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| OK, the icon thing is a Slashdot problem. I can see them fine like this http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal | Jul 12 19:37 | |
| but they go away when looked at individually. | Jul 12 19:37 | |
| I'm going back trough submissions to see if anything else was missed or fell off. | Jul 12 19:38 | |
| Oh yeah, credibility is only lost when you don't tell the truth. | Jul 12 19:38 | |
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| schestowitz | BN is a glass box | Jul 12 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Even communication is done via public IRC | Jul 12 19:53 |
| yes, so? | Jul 12 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | So it is open to inspection, yet no-one is able to scrutinise it effectively | Jul 12 19:53 |
| what do you mean? | Jul 12 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | Many people read these logs | Jul 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | People who hate the site | Jul 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Scanning it for dirt | Jul 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | They come up with nothing of use | Jul 12 19:54 |
| had to go look up scrutinise | Jul 12 19:54 | |
| you used it right, :) | Jul 12 19:55 | |
| wordnet, "to look at critically or searchingly, or in minute detail" | Jul 12 19:55 | |
| It's hard to find dirt on honest people. That's why the only thing they can do is nit pick useless details | Jul 12 19:56 | |
| try to blow them out or proportion. | Jul 12 19:56 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... my site's down | Jul 12 19:56 |
| Like calling RMS a sexist. | Jul 12 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | The whole server in fact | Jul 12 19:57 |
| oh | Jul 12 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | I've seen RMS accused of endorsing pedophilia | Jul 12 19:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up http://ping.fm/BOM9z | Jul 12 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | People have their eyes on him all the time trying to scoop up dirt | Jul 12 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses fronts like CompTIA to do the smears against him too | Jul 12 19:57 |
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| Demonstration of RFID reading at 20 feet, US Passports in public. ->Fox News has an AP story on a SF hacker driving around and needing as little as 20 minutes to be successful in acquiring a passport number: 'Zipping past Fisherman's Wharf, his scanner detected, then downloaded to his laptop, the unique serial numbers of two pedestrians' electronic US passport cards embedded with radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags. Withi | Jul 12 20:07 | |
| http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/12/0611201/Cruising-Fishermans-Wharf-For-New-Passports-Serial-Numbers?art_pos=8 | Jul 12 20:07 | |
| people said so, now they demonstrate. Duplication has been previously demonstrated. | Jul 12 20:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft discourages game porting to GNU/Linux using lies about market share. http://ping.fm/aHKx9 | Jul 12 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | BN in cnet: | Jul 12 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "Eventually, Windows grew to such heft that the market, including Microsoft partners, started looking for open alternatives, causing then Microsoft chairman Bill Gates to dub Linux Microsoft's "most potent operating system competitor."" | Jul 12 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "The "good enough" operating system that performed certain tasks much more efficiently and powerfully than Windows has now grown to seriously threaten Microsoft in a range of applications and markets." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10271723-16.html | Jul 12 20:14 |
| :) | Jul 12 20:16 | |
| I see that you liked the Vista 7 toilet baby image. I missed that yesterday for some reason. | Jul 12 20:16 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I used it. | Jul 12 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Still got to catch up with old new | Jul 12 20:20 |
| schestowitz | *news | Jul 12 20:21 |
| hurrah, I now can view junk like cnet again. | Jul 12 20:21 | |
| ssh -X forward from testing my version 4 or konq. | Jul 12 20:22 | |
| Ugh, Matt Assay does not understand freedom and gets confused. No useful information about freedom can be gained by looking at PalmOS and iPhone on smart phones. Both are non free software with the additional burden of spectrum ownership. | Jul 12 20:26 | |
| ATT and friends won't have anything to do with software freedom on the spectrum they bought. | Jul 12 20:27 | |
| Oh, the confusion from O'Reilly Radar, that explains it. | Jul 12 20:27 | |
| hmmm, X forwarding is a wonderful and risk free way to mix KDE 3.5 and KDE 4. | Jul 12 20:28 | |
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| Assay is clueless about the reasons for iPhone success. | Jul 12 20:31 | |
| People don't buy iPhones for the apps. They buy them for persistent internet and email, things people have been dreaming about for more than a decade with their laptops. | Jul 12 20:32 | |
| Apple got their practically with OSX, the child of Next and a lot of free software, on ARM. | Jul 12 20:33 | |
| Apple has successfully harnessed BSD. | Jul 12 20:34 | |
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| and they have made their version fiercely proprietary | Jul 12 20:35 | |
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| Oh well, it is nice he cites BN for more correct history about M$ and GNU/Linux. | Jul 12 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | Inside Today's Falling IT Salary Levels < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3828756/Inside-Todays-Falling-IT-Salary-Levels.htm > | Jul 12 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Comments here still just hostile t/w mono: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-09-002-35-NW-MS-LL | Jul 12 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Asay is not our foe | Jul 12 20:37 |
| schestowitz | He's still on our side for the most part. The Apple obsession is hopefully a passing fad | Jul 12 20:38 |
| No, but he does seem to be confused. | Jul 12 20:38 | |
| It is important to understand what is successful and why. | Jul 12 20:39 | |
| iPhone has a lot of satisfied users. There is some degree of excellence to the interface. | Jul 12 20:39 | |
| The excellent portions should be copied and used. | Jul 12 20:39 | |
| The difference between GPE on my Zaurus from five years ago and the iPhone is slight. | Jul 12 20:40 | |
| iPhone has accelerated graphics and uses it effectively. | Jul 12 20:40 | |
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| Assay should understand that free software can and will do everything iPhone does but won't have a chance with companies like ATT. | Jul 12 20:42 | |
| He should also realize that "paying the rent" is not what drives software innovation - it comes from sharing and freedom. | Jul 12 20:43 | |
| fewa | there is a distinction between those companies who sell the devices and those programmers who make the innovations that make such things possible | Jul 12 20:45 |
| If Assay understands these things and Open Spectrum, he can go from being someone who's "not a foe" to being someone who understands software and network freedom. | Jul 12 20:45 | |
| http://www.reed.com/OpenSpectrum/ | Jul 12 20:45 | |
| fewa | but we shouldnt really call it "innovation" cause that is just a trojan horse for software patents | Jul 12 20:45 |
| fewa | Its a form of creativity | Jul 12 20:45 |
| fewa | and also sweat of the brow | Jul 12 20:46 |
| innovation, creativity, whatever you call it - it is not possible without freedom. | Jul 12 20:46 | |
| Restrictions harm creativity. | Jul 12 20:46 | |
| bbl | Jul 12 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | Development sounds betteer | Jul 12 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Rather than expression in art where creativity suits bettere | Jul 12 20:47 |
| schestowitz | If someone invests a lamp, would you call him/her "Creative"? | Jul 12 20:47 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot of prior knowledge and some engineering | Jul 12 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Write Your Own Linux Twitter Client In Less Time Than It Takes To Find One! < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6792/1/ > | Jul 12 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Python powa | Jul 12 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Oh! I think I know who runs http://mono-nono.com | Jul 12 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I suspected this all along | Jul 12 21:01 |
| schestowitz | But now I see a citation | Jul 12 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Jason is the same Jason as "Ubuntu and Me" | Jul 12 21:01 |
| trmanco | ? | Jul 12 21:02 |
| trmanco | I have his jabber email | Jul 12 21:02 |
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| trmanco | wtf | Jul 12 21:07 |
| schestowitz | He came to IRC last week | Jul 12 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in IRC logs (I was away) | Jul 12 21:07 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thank him if you catch him on IM. His research there will help our cause | Jul 12 21:08 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I already did that | Jul 12 21:08 |
| trmanco | I added him to thank him | Jul 12 21:08 |
| trmanco | :-) | Jul 12 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm catching up with news quicker than I thought I could | Jul 12 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I went offline on an OK week cause of July 4th | Jul 12 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Apart from Chrome and Monocrosoft there was not much to miss | Jul 12 21:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wow, they've automated gaydar. http://bit.ly/SEP0M | Jul 12 21:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-09-033-35-NW-SW | Jul 12 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 7 on Netbooks will also not allow DVD playback (there's no drive), restricting video playback to wmv,and making use of non-MS codecs difficult, among a host of other things. IE will also be severely crippled." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-10-006-35-OP-BZ-MS-0000 | Jul 12 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Turns out we made LT's FP when the site was on hold | Jul 12 21:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: It was amazing what she could do with her one good arm. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/10601.html http://is.gd/1whjL | Jul 12 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, it's almost obviously him. | Jul 12 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/09/boycott-novell-is-back/ | Jul 12 21:23 |
| trmanco | :-) | Jul 12 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I recognise the links (antitrust) and I already knew ushib* (can't remember) was called Jason. | Jul 12 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's the new project that he spoke about | Jul 12 21:24 |
| schestowitz | He's driving Shields up the wall | Jul 12 21:24 |
| schestowitz | That site ought to keep Microsoft's UsefulIdiots busy replying frantically and thus less able to damage Linux | Jul 12 21:25 |
| schestowitz | AutoKey Does Customized Text Replacement for Linux http://lifehacker.com/5310976/autokey-does-customized-text-replacement-for-linux | Jul 12 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Sutor's blog is becoming useless. Some randon links and house photos... http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3762 | Jul 12 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] You'll go waltzing Matilda with me http://ping.fm/d1Kry | Jul 12 21:40 | |
| Laughing at Windows 7 not being able to play DVD on netbooks and their lame excuse. I use a laptop without an optical drive for all my media, hooked to a projector it's first rate. | Jul 12 21:42 | |
| That story is one for the Vista 7 fail log. | Jul 12 21:43 | |
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| oh, it's a comment. | Jul 12 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | The Desktop is to be Dapper No More http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/desktop-be-dapper-no-more | Jul 12 21:46 |
| worth tracking down if true. I know Vista was a huge media failure, thanks to DRM and non free codec use. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/179019 | Jul 12 21:47 | |
| schestowitz | Not only that | Jul 12 21:50 |
| schestowitz | People tried it | Jul 12 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Not enthusiasts | Jul 12 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Nor bribed bloggers | Jul 12 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Real people | Jul 12 21:51 |
| schestowitz | With average PCs | Jul 12 21:51 |
| schestowitz | And Vista plainly... well, sucked | Jul 12 21:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It must a common routine for RMS to be attacked personally when his technical opinion seems threatening. http://ping.fm/o3TyE | Jul 12 21:51 | |
| schestowitz | Vista got many awards for it | Jul 12 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Not of the good type. It got many #1s for things like "worst product of the year' | Jul 12 21:51 |
| schestowitz | And on the 7th day, God created... well, nothing noteworthy | Jul 12 21:52 |
| I wonder if this will be included in the price of the Vista 7 "family pack" | Jul 12 21:52 | |
| http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/03/1747253 | Jul 12 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | Hehe. I can't help LOLing at "family pack" | Jul 12 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva calls something "powerpack" | Jul 12 21:53 |
| schestowitz | But "family pack" sounds like something you get in KFC for a white trash family (no offense intended) | Jul 12 21:53 |
| none taken here in Tacoma! | Jul 12 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | "Two family packs of Vista 7, please" | Jul 12 21:54 |
| schestowitz | "Would you like fries with that?" | Jul 12 21:54 |
| schestowitz | "No, thanks" | Jul 12 21:54 |
| schestowitz | "Just the Vista 7" | Jul 12 21:54 |
| schestowitz | "It comes in 6 flavours" | Jul 12 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "Really?" | Jul 12 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "yes" | Jul 12 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "We change the amount of sugar" | Jul 12 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "The cheapest one has no sugar" | Jul 12 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "Just acids and water" | Jul 12 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "But..." | Jul 12 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "You can pay $399 and get the full taste" | Jul 12 21:55 |
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| family sack | Jul 12 21:57 | |
| as in rob | Jul 12 21:57 | |
| making all your computers act like zune, no file transfer without fee. | Jul 12 21:58 | |
| You just know that's the next level of stupidity from that company. | Jul 12 21:58 | |
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| "You can not copy that CD, it is copyright." | Jul 12 21:59 | |
| schestowitz | Zune has a feature called "squirting" | Jul 12 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's marketing people must have been on some heavy dope | Jul 12 22:01 |
| Yes, kioks will squirt advertising at you. | Jul 12 22:01 | |
| You can't avoid that. | Jul 12 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | ore on the Gartner attack: http://ostatic.com/blog/vmwares-proprietary-virtualization-is-still-under-fire | Jul 12 22:02 |
| Your friends will be able to squirt files at you, but you can't keep them. | Jul 12 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | I think the Zune just squirted in its own diapers and it's about to go to ER | Jul 12 22:02 |
| That is why they had to invent a new word for digital transfer. It's not a copy and it's not sharing, it's squirting. | Jul 12 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't give a squirt about its customers | Jul 12 22:03 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jul 12 22:03 |
| I get 40,000 results for "DVD ripping" "windows 7" | Jul 12 22:03 | |
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22windows+7%22+%22dvd+ripping%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Jul 12 22:03 | |
| Here's a typical result. Advert heavy points to malware. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22windows+7%22+%22dvd+ripping%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Jul 12 22:04 | |
| how can people stand to use such crap? | Jul 12 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | You can't search "windows 7" | Jul 12 22:05 |
| schestowitz | It's too generic | Jul 12 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Like search for "Apple" | Jul 12 22:05 |
| The results I got were specific to "DVD ripping" | Jul 12 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | "I'm gonna shut 7 windows in my house now" | Jul 12 22:05 |
| that's why I used two search phrases. | Jul 12 22:06 | |
| ;-) | Jul 12 22:06 | |
| Here's one from 2008, claiming "legit" DVD ripping. http://news.cnet.com/dvd-ripping-goes-legit-with-realdvd/ | Jul 12 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | ripping. Ha | Jul 12 22:07 |
| schestowitz | As in "copying" | Jul 12 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Or "duplicating" | Jul 12 22:08 |
| schestowitz | The word "ripping" could not have come from the Good Guys | Jul 12 22:08 |
| schestowitz | So if I buy a CD from a band I like and put it on my PC to play in xmms, then I "rip" (like tear a piece of paper)? I don't think so | Jul 12 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | I dunno, if you plant the image that to rip a CD or DVD somehow damages it, like rips usually do in other contexts (clothes etc) | Jul 12 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I back up or spread for my own use | Jul 12 22:09 |
| From that idiot cnet article -> RealDVD adds some relevant bullet points to the equation. First off, it's legal: That's because the program retains the DVD copy-protection, and even adds a further layer of DRM to the files. (Real is standing on the precedent set by the Kaleidescape's 2007 court victory.) So you shouldn't have to sweat a prison term for copyright violation next time you're toting your laptop through airport security | Jul 12 22:09 | |
| I really hate how stupid these people are. | Jul 12 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: "burn" would be OK | Jul 12 22:09 |
| schestowitz | That would actually be the physical action | Jul 12 22:09 |
| No one thinks like that. | Jul 12 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | The optical disc burned by laser beams | Jul 12 22:10 |
| schestowitz | But if you say "I rip this CD" it sounds bad | Jul 12 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Or "pirate a song" | Jul 12 22:10 |
| ThistleWeb | if it sounds like it will damage it, some will not do it | Jul 12 22:10 |
| schestowitz | These are works to avoid as GNU.org would insist | Jul 12 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Just rap the CD ;-) | Jul 12 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | which means they win by use of words | Jul 12 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Krip | Jul 12 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Language adopted subconsciously | Jul 12 22:11 |
| well, it's appropriate for commercial DVDs. You have to rip the movie out of the encryption. | Jul 12 22:11 | |
| schestowitz | Unscramble | Jul 12 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Or open | Jul 12 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Why "rip"? | Jul 12 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | decrypt | Jul 12 22:12 |
| schestowitz | I'd say they rip me off by working the CPU overtime | Jul 12 22:12 |
| It matches my level of anger at the company that made things so difficult. | Jul 12 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | And by preventing future playing | Jul 12 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Because the algos and media change over time | Jul 12 22:12 |
| schestowitz | No encryption = portability | Jul 12 22:12 |
| schestowitz | So I can move from generations of devices | Jul 12 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Crypto=another layer of lockin | Jul 12 22:12 |
| schestowitz | What if all your mails were PGPs? | Jul 12 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Could Google Desktop even index them? | Jul 12 22:13 |
| Gmail indexes encrypted email. | Jul 12 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | DRM is encryption | Jul 12 22:13 |
| schestowitz | MDL is encryption | Jul 12 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Shannon's entropy too | Jul 12 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | the point here is that the entertainment industry have long relied on peeps rebuying their collection in the new format tape>cd, vhs>dvd>bluray so if you give them an easy way to tranfer stuff they bought to the new medium, they wont need to buy the same stuff they already bought | Jul 12 22:13 |
| DRM is not publication. | Jul 12 22:14 | |
| it is restrictions, a fraud and that is a form of violence. | Jul 12 22:14 | |
| they rob by deceit | Jul 12 22:14 | |
| people have to do real work to buy their things again and again. | Jul 12 22:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Proof of the harm of patents? http://bit.ly/NIncm | Jul 12 22:15 | |
| Publishers really are at war against sharing. They will put people in jail for it and would like to jail those who circumvent their violence. | Jul 12 22:16 | |
| ThistleWeb | any corporation has one goal, to make money | Jul 12 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | they spend their time building a portfolio which they believe should continue to fund their nest eggs for eternity | Jul 12 22:17 |
| When I decrypt a 2kb email, it is easy enough. Decrypting a 2 GB movie takes a lot of work. Encryption is a violent and terrible thing that was done to the movie and it was done to defraud the owner. | Jul 12 22:18 | |
| ThistleWeb | well, for the eternity of the suits in the boardroom (including their retired time), the mess they leave behind ain't their concern | Jul 12 22:19 |
| email is encrypted to protect privacy and personal dignity. | Jul 12 22:19 | |
| ThistleWeb | encryption is not a form of violence | Jul 12 22:20 |
| more on RealRestrictions. -> you can rip the discs to an external USB hard drive and watch them on up to four other PCs on which you've installed the program | Jul 12 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | Most of my mail is still sent as plain text | Jul 12 22:20 |
| schestowitz | The issue is ubiquity of s/w for this | Jul 12 22:20 |
| schestowitz | And had Linux spread (which the CIA would not want, obviously), then more people would have tools for privacy | Jul 12 22:20 |
| Yes, most mail is like that because most people use Windows and M$ does not want you to have privacy. | Jul 12 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | tessier had a discussion about this last year | Jul 12 22:20 |
| schestowitz | --About giving everyone Thunderbird with PGP or something | Jul 12 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | not just the CIA | Jul 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Well, it was symbolic | Jul 12 22:21 |
| You can give people things but you can't make them use them. | Jul 12 22:21 | |
| ThistleWeb | every country likes their intel peeps to have access | Jul 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: up in Yorkshire I hear we have a RAF base which is actually another US base | Jul 12 22:21 |
| My wife, for example, refuses to use a traditional mail client. | Jul 12 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | And they log all transatlantic E-mail | Jul 12 22:21 |
| For her, email is not important enough to keep. | Jul 12 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | That's what Prof. Chalmers Johnson says | Jul 12 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah there are a few of them left over from WWII | Jul 12 22:22 |
| tacone Tallken tessier tessier_ thenixedreport ThistleWeb trmanco twitter | Jul 12 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: to keep? | Jul 12 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's kept at the nodes | Jul 12 22:22 |
| all she uses is gmail and hotmail | Jul 12 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | Peeps think that E-mail is gone when they hit delete | Jul 12 22:22 |
| schestowitz | But Domino boxes will keep copies | Jul 12 22:23 |
| she does not archive her email. it's like IM to her. | Jul 12 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | Long retention | Jul 12 22:23 |
| ThistleWeb | it is gone......from their screens | Jul 12 22:23 |
| schestowitz | And it's usualyl still there in mbox | Jul 12 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Unless compacted | Jul 12 22:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] holy shit, this thing is actually only $48k. http://bit.ly/4KVoW | Jul 12 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | Same with file deletion that removes just a pointer to it | Jul 12 22:23 |
| *desu has quit ("Leaving") | Jul 12 22:23 | |
| Yes, I know, others keep it. | Jul 12 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | It's kept either way | Jul 12 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Once someone dispatches it | Jul 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | When it's done, it's done | Jul 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | You can't escape murder by washing your hands | Jul 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Likewise, you can't make E-mails disappear by deleting them | Jul 12 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | nah, you need lawyers and money for that | Jul 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | And if you spend too much time watching the wrong type of pages/videos, then be awarned | Jul 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | They know what pages you visit | Jul 12 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | provided you get flagged/monitored | Jul 12 22:25 |
| So you have to keep copies of everything for yourself, or others can fabricate and present portions unfarily. | Jul 12 22:25 | |
| schestowitz | Heh. Nice. http://www.toxel.com/tech/2009/07/09/dolphin-inspired-personal-submarines/ | Jul 12 22:25 |
| Better to encrypt everything so only you have the records. | Jul 12 22:25 | |
| As things stand, only ISPs have the records for most people | Jul 12 22:26 | |
| it is the opposite of privacy | Jul 12 22:26 | |
| schestowitz | Not in the UK | Jul 12 22:26 |
| schestowitz | They offshore phone and mail retention to a private company | Jul 12 22:26 |
| Oh yeah, in the UK the government get's a copy too. | Jul 12 22:26 | |
| schestowitz | Contract for Orwellivrse | Jul 12 22:26 |
| Like I said, the very opposite of privacy. | Jul 12 22:27 | |
| You have nothing, they have everything neatly organized. | Jul 12 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | Security | Jul 12 22:27 |
| schestowitz | For them | Jul 12 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Supposedly for everyone | Jul 12 22:27 |
| Everyone they like. | Jul 12 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | They learned nothing from Stasi/SS, did they? | Jul 12 22:27 |
| schestowitz | *ts | Jul 12 22:27 |
| Got it better. | Jul 12 22:27 | |
| paper records suck | Jul 12 22:28 | |
| with voice recognition being done by "smart" phones themselves, there's little difference between email and phone conversations for privacy invasion. | Jul 12 22:29 | |
| everything you say can be neatly scanned, organized and searched. | Jul 12 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | s/can/does/ | Jul 12 22:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Crushes Microsoft Monopolies http://ping.fm/EaJBt | Jul 12 22:30 | |
| encryption brings a small measure of protection. | Jul 12 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | Phones too | Jul 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Surveillance+logs | Jul 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | it's like CCTV tapes. There's a retention cycle | Jul 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Probably varies depending on who you are. Flagged people = permanent log | Jul 12 22:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Increasing Popularity of GNU/Linux Leads to New Site http://ping.fm/xE4iC | Jul 12 22:32 | |
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| Well, one things for sure. The commenter was right about DVD playback. Windows 7 won't be able to do that without an optical drive. | Jul 12 22:32 | |
| I'd forgotten how stupid and restricted the Windows world was about this. | Jul 12 22:33 | |
| Yet people act as if Windows is the only way to watch movies and other media. It's completely backward. | Jul 12 22:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Common Lies About GNU/Linux Systematically Addressed http://ping.fm/obGxd | Jul 12 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | Forward to Hollywood | Jul 12 22:34 |
| schestowitz | The goal is to serve moguls | Jul 12 22:34 |
| schestowitz | The goal is not to serve computer users | Jul 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's customers are OEMs, Hollywood, etc. | Jul 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | The users are just 'side effects'. They buy computers with what the OEM was forced to buy from MS | Jul 12 22:35 |
| The odd story of DVD X Copy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_X_Copy | Jul 12 22:36 | |
| I wonder what's being offered at the web site when the "official" company was shut down in 2004. | Jul 12 22:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Beats Vista 7 and Windows XP by a Huge Margin http://ping.fm/rjbnw | Jul 12 22:37 | |
| fewa | http://www.eff.org/nsa/faq | Jul 12 22:37 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy | Jul 12 22:38 |
| These are the insulting options offered to people who want to watch DVDs on their Windows computers: pay money and be subject to stupid restrictions like 4 computer sharing, or take your chances with malware. | Jul 12 22:38 | |
| fewa | http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/presskit/ATT_onepager.pdf | Jul 12 22:39 |
| like that Howard article. | Jul 12 22:40 | |
| fewa | yep, Windows performance is an oxymoron | Jul 12 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Windows 'performs' when it manages to sell you another new computer | Jul 12 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Performs financially | Jul 12 22:41 |
| fewa | exactly | Jul 12 22:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Complaints About GNU/Linux Usually Misguided http://ping.fm/SKQYZ | Jul 12 22:41 | |
| tessier | Yes, I am bummed that hardly anyone uses GPG | Jul 12 22:43 |
| tessier | Lots of people worried about privacy but nobody willing to do anything about it. | Jul 12 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes think it's made intentionally complicated | Jul 12 22:45 |
| schestowitz | It ensures only techies manage to use it after setup | Jul 12 22:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Developer Workstation Now Available for Online Test http://ping.fm/ziLP2 | Jul 12 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | I met the enigmail developer here in Manc 3 years ago in the FSFE meeting. They did manage to simplify it A LOT | Jul 12 22:45 |
| *Balrog_ is now known as Balrog | Jul 12 22:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Uberlists of Free Software for Large Companies http://ping.fm/vyOnl | Jul 12 22:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fluendo Starts Releasing GNU/Linux Applications http://ping.fm/pOZOX | Jul 12 22:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Unigine to Bring Game to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/UDClb , Microsoft-funded IDC Lies to Discourage Portinghttp://ping.fm/Phcs9 | Jul 12 23:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wine 1.1.25 is Released with Many Improvements http://ping.fm/UmXaB Windows becomes more obsolete | Jul 12 23:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi, wallclimber | Jul 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Got it. | Jul 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Still catching up with news, but lining up COmes too | Jul 12 23:07 |
| wallclimber | hi! I just sent you about 6 emails | Jul 12 23:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] O IceCat 3.5 já saiu @brunomiguel | Jul 12 23:07 | |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: ha. That's more than my mom sends me | Jul 12 23:09 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 12 23:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Win for KDE: Maemo Swaps to Qt http://ping.fm/Bto82 | Jul 12 23:09 | |
| schestowitz | And today there was actually teddy bears... | Jul 12 23:09 |
| schestowitz | A family that raised a bear (presentation) | Jul 12 23:09 |
| schestowitz | And blue whales (separate | Jul 12 23:09 |
| wallclimber | No Ponies? | Jul 12 23:09 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 12 23:09 |
| wallclimber | :( | Jul 12 23:09 |
| schestowitz | No unicorns either | Jul 12 23:09 |
| wallclimber | well, no unicorns, no ponies is just sad | Jul 12 23:10 |
| wallclimber | teddy bears are nice though | Jul 12 23:11 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 12 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I'll mail it to you | Jul 12 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I got just pc07378 | Jul 12 23:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My favourite distro, Mandriva Linux One 2009.0 (KDE), is Reviewed (http://ping.fm/U8RNt | Jul 12 23:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's Linux Handsets Could Land in Dell http://ping.fm/yP0BY | Jul 12 23:19 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what about openSUSE ? | Jul 12 23:20 |
| schestowitz | What about it? | Jul 12 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Oh, favourite distro.. | Jul 12 23:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Smartphones with Free Software to Double -- Report http://ping.fm/Qao3S | Jul 12 23:21 | |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE is green with envy | Jul 12 23:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's Linux O/S a Headache to Microsoft on Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/OAv8U | Jul 12 23:24 | |
| _Hicham_ | yast2-schestowitz-module-1.0-0.1.suse.i586.rpm : schestowitz configuration module for yast | Jul 12 23:24 |
| Mandrake... nice package selection. looks good. | Jul 12 23:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vanilla CMS Chooses the Most Popular Licence, the GNU GPLv2 http://ping.fm/Dhdu2 | Jul 12 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: try PCLinusOS | Jul 12 23:25 |
| schestowitz | I used it many times and it's great | Jul 12 23:25 |
| I've seen PCLinux | Jul 12 23:25 | |
| _Hicham_ | twitter uses plain Windows XP | Jul 12 23:26 |
| _Hicham_ | and he loves it | Jul 12 23:26 |
| It's nice but not nice enough to drag me from the comfort of Debian. | Jul 12 23:26 | |
| schestowitz | XP is a mess | Jul 12 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I used it twice last week to access the Web and check mail | Jul 12 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Upon startups the browser would hand the whole OS | Jul 12 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Fail on the first minute | Jul 12 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | XP is the best system at MS Labs | Jul 12 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I actually enjoy seeing it despite the nuisance | Jul 12 23:27 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me why I should boot from CD | Jul 12 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | or from a USB | Jul 12 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : USB sticks are cheap | Jul 12 23:28 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: code monkeys rarely live in "Labs" | Jul 12 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Call it a cage, OK? :-) | Jul 12 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | install Mandriva on a USB stick, and u r done | Jul 12 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | no more hassle | Jul 12 23:28 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not all PCs would boot from USB, methinkgs | Jul 12 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Not the old one, methinks | Jul 12 23:29 |
| USB boot is a cruel deception by BIOS makers. | Jul 12 23:29 | |
| _Hicham_ | do u have a old PCs out there? | Jul 12 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | I thought that we are the only ones to have them | Jul 12 23:29 |
| Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not and it's never the same. | Jul 12 23:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Cheers to @themadcatlady for #wikipedia pics! http://is.gd/1wntt http://is.gd/1wnwt http://is.gd/1wnxo http://is.gd/1wnxL http://is.gd/1wnzd | Jul 12 23:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Importance of Free Software Licensing is Stressed http://ping.fm/FzCRe | Jul 12 23:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz wine has a long way to go - the dib engine will be tricky, for example, tho there's a hacked-up version | Jul 12 23:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Programming Awards for Free Software Developers Are Coming http://ping.fm/S0iTR | Jul 12 23:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sarko and the Moguls Are Not Done with Copyright Gestapo Yet http://ping.fm/gN4DW | Jul 12 23:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thew Copyright Cartel Tries to Suffocate Legitimate Competition with Taxes http://ping.fm/2cdtS | Jul 12 23:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz win32 is an unspeakable pile of crufty hacks that no-one would believe if it didn't exist. less "obsolete", more "undead" | Jul 12 23:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Front Group (ACT) Tries to Push Software Patents into EU http://ping.fm/ARSWX | Jul 12 23:39 | |
| davidgerard is putting it nicely. | Jul 12 23:41 | |
| I have to use XP every day. It and applications on it are so painful. | Jul 12 23:42 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, he knows wine well | Jul 12 23:42 |
| I did a little win95 api programming, skipped MFC. | Jul 12 23:42 | |
| It was not so awful, just terribly limited. | Jul 12 23:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bilski Test Webcast http://ping.fm/Ws11I | Jul 12 23:43 | |
| I can see that XP and Vista are equally limited. | Jul 12 23:43 | |
| Stuff just barely works. | Jul 12 23:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ain't the Patent System Great? It Kills HIV Patients with Patents http://ping.fm/OlDvO | Jul 12 23:45 | |
| I'm more concerned by the poorly controlled use of antibiotics. | Jul 12 23:46 | |
| Many more people will die of the super bugs being bread by half administered drugs. | Jul 12 23:47 | |
| We could find ourselves right back where we were at the beginning of the 20th century, where a scratch in the rose garden might kill you. | Jul 12 23:47 | |
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| Antibiotics themselves are cheap and trade laws ostensibly let countries violate patent for life saving drugs but few dare anger big pharma | Jul 12 23:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FOSS People in New Zealand File to Block Software Patents [PDF] http://ping.fm/6Qmy6 | Jul 12 23:49 | |
| Ah, I see, HIV is also gaining drug resistance the same way. | Jul 12 23:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Mono Ambitions (Poisoning Linux) Turn to Dust, RMS Smeared http://ping.fm/6fVIp http://ping.fm/IB2R6 | Jul 12 23:50 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: some people die | Jul 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Novotel or something.. | Jul 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall the company's name.. the one that drew protests | Jul 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Patent unrest is huge now | Jul 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Thanks to the Internet that teaches sharing and allows free speech (in most places anyway) | Jul 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 12 23:56 |
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