| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, other nym is "gentoo user" | Jul 17 00:00 |
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| ThistleWeb | lol | Jul 17 00:00 |
| schestowitz | The more hardcore, the more credible the Windows LUser seems | Jul 17 00:00 |
| ThistleWeb | well, that's what he thinks | Jul 17 00:00 |
| ThistleWeb | my other OS is ME | Jul 17 00:01 |
| ThistleWeb | ROFL | Jul 17 00:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I take my security and stability seriously | Jul 17 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Another old troll in BN goes by the name "Yggdrasil" | Jul 17 00:01 |
| schestowitz | one of the first ddistros | Jul 17 00:01 |
| schestowitz | He always defends Microsoft | Jul 17 00:01 |
| ThistleWeb | you have to wonder who will defend them when they run out of bribe money to pay out | Jul 17 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | probs the peeps who have put their earnings into MS camp so tightly that they can't easily switch themselves | Jul 17 00:03 |
| ThistleWeb | addicts | Jul 17 00:03 |
| ThistleWeb | trying to ensure that more addicts dont give up the habit | Jul 17 00:03 |
| ThistleWeb | and trying to get more people addicted | Jul 17 00:03 |
| ThistleWeb | so that they can keep earring money | Jul 17 00:04 |
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| _Goblin | hi all | Jul 17 00:04 |
| ThistleWeb | hey _Goblin | Jul 17 00:04 |
| _Goblin | Roy: Astral Knight seems to have been removed from Digg...were you aware? | Jul 17 00:05 |
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| jose_X | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/16/msbbc-daemonises-the-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-70152 | Jul 17 00:06 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: trmanco said so | Jul 17 00:14 |
| schestowitz | He says nastymicrosoft is a new name for him | Jul 17 00:14 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: I replied | Jul 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | With just one small side of it | Jul 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I'm in a hurry | Jul 17 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Should I post news today? | Jul 17 00:15 |
| jose_X | ? | Jul 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I've lost track | Jul 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Linux news... | Jul 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Cheney has assassins: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/13/cheney-cia-al-qaida-assassinations | Jul 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Obama on African corruptiob: Send in the accountants < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/14/aid-obama-africa-accountants > | Jul 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | A Few Thoughts on the Coup in Honduras < http://rebelreports.com/post/132342133/a-few-thoughts-on-the-coup-in-honduras > "First, we know that the coup was led by Gen. Romeo Vasquez, a graduate of the US Army School of the Americas. As we know very well from history, these “graduates” maintain ties to the US military as they climb the military career ladders in their respective countries. That is a major reason why the US trains | Jul 17 00:18 |
| schestowitz | these individuals." | Jul 17 00:18 |
| schestowitz | The US puppets in South America reminds me very much of MS puppet | Jul 17 00:18 |
| schestowitz | The resemblance is stunning -- how to in filtrate the competition to take over it. | Jul 17 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Mono and all for example | Jul 17 00:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 13 doctors demand inquest into Dr David Kelly's death http://ping.fm/pHrUK was he "suicided"? | Jul 17 00:20 | |
| schestowitz | Telesur and Venezuelan TV Journalists Arrested in Honduras http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/1982/68/ | Jul 17 00:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://wechoosethemoon.org/ | Jul 17 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> The US puppets in South America reminds me very much of MS puppet | Jul 17 00:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> The resemblance is stunning -- how to in filtrate the competition to take over it. | Jul 17 00:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Mono and all for example | Jul 17 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Jul 17 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Wrong paste (was highlighted) | Jul 17 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Great video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I34FNr_peUk | Jul 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Good choice of music too | Jul 17 00:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] well, there goes eight years of my cv. http://bit.ly/tbA8D | Jul 17 00:40 | |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi oiaohm | Jul 17 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Ubersplit | Jul 17 00:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Office to Run on Desktop GNU/Linux (Without Wine) http://ping.fm/TEqhy | Jul 17 01:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Zeitgeist Engine Debuts http://ping.fm/TaO6T | Jul 17 01:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CrossOver Linux 8.0.0 http://ping.fm/OUicy | Jul 17 01:11 | |
| jose_X | I don't think web app is the same (for ms office) | Jul 17 01:14 |
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| jose_X | people won't have a reason to go to linux if we depend on that and it is crippled in key ways (or just bad performance) | Jul 17 01:14 |
| jose_X | oo.o is a good reason, however. | Jul 17 01:15 |
| twitter1 | M$ Office, the full blown thing, is still not good enough for routine or professional use. | Jul 17 01:21 |
| twitter1 | If it were, M$ would not need Macs for their add copy. | Jul 17 01:21 |
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| twitter1 | Between OO, Google Docs, Koffice, Scibus, Inskape and many many other tools, there's not a lot of room for a "scaled down" version of a mediocre general office suite. | Jul 17 01:23 |
| twitter1 | The real thrust here is that they are, once again, going to pretend to be open so that people don't feel foolish for spending $400 for a text editor that can't be used to share with friends who have not been so foolish. | Jul 17 01:25 |
| Balrog_ | jose_X: I'm sure Google will add native stuff to Chrome OS | Jul 17 01:25 |
| jose_X | if they don't, others will | Jul 17 01:25 |
| twitter1 | I'm sure M$'s office will depend on some obnoxious plugins. | Jul 17 01:26 |
| jose_X | by integrating the presentation and the tools and making it easy to use their online stuff, they achieve their objective. they don't have to alienate those that don't want to use the online stuff | Jul 17 01:26 |
| twitter1 | It's "free" just download this malware. | Jul 17 01:27 |
| jose_X | the online stuff will be designed to pull you into their online properties/services/etc | Jul 17 01:28 |
| jose_X | and they might try to get people to dump oo.o | Jul 17 01:28 |
| jose_X | by putting hooks (like you said twitter) that will likely not work in oo.o | Jul 17 01:29 |
| jose_X | tying to msn/live/etc services will create problems for oo.o (if they design it that way) | Jul 17 01:29 |
| twitter1 | The biggest hook is sabotaged ODF support. | Jul 17 01:29 |
| jose_X | expect to see mono add api to access and deal with these online things to a limited degree | Jul 17 01:30 |
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| jose_X | yeah, that's right. broken odf might be one major way how they try to push oo.o out | Jul 17 01:30 |
| twitter1 | I wonder what Ian Murdock thinks of the Sun buy out. | Jul 17 01:31 |
| twitter1 | It was just a month ago that he was rightly celebrating the supremacy of OpenSolaris. | Jul 17 01:31 |
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| ThistleWeb | it'd be interesting to see how quickly MS fix odf compatibility in MS office if several rich govts all switched to "proper odf" which meant MS Office wasn't fit for purpose and had to be replaced | Jul 17 01:32 |
| ThistleWeb | well, after the army of lawyers and bullies had been used to delay or reverse the decision had failed | Jul 17 01:32 |
| twitter1 | Murdock still has his happy blog. http://ianmurdock.com/ | Jul 17 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Not his happy employer | Jul 17 01:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary GNU/Linux Games "Eschalon Book I" is Reviewed http://ping.fm/2t7Ch | Jul 17 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | Sun does badly and he becomes a slave of Ellison | Jul 17 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh neat | Jul 17 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt expect him to keep doing his blog | Jul 17 01:37 |
| twitter1 | Please do not insult the competency of the US Military by comparing them to M$. -> schestowitz: The US puppets in South America reminds me very much of MS puppet | Jul 17 01:37 |
| twitter1 | It is not a great thing to boast about, but the US is very good at breaking things and killing people. | Jul 17 01:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | so is Windows. | Jul 17 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | Ba da boom | Jul 17 01:42 |
| twitter1 | Boooooommmm | Jul 17 01:44 |
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| _Hicham_ | Windows is great | Jul 17 01:44 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows is helping people like twitter | Jul 17 01:44 |
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| _Hicham_ | Lord Schestowitz | Jul 17 01:53 |
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| twitter1 | "Microsoft Business start 2009" M$ is trying to buy mindshare. That should tell you a lot about the economics of non free software. | Jul 17 01:58 |
| twitter1 | I got one of those $140 EEE PCs, a 701SD. | Jul 17 01:59 |
| twitter1 | Funny thing about it, the box had Windows XP printed on the side but it was covered up with a sticker that said Linux. | Jul 17 02:00 |
| twitter1 | I wonder if they refurbed the XP models to finally sell them. | Jul 17 02:00 |
| twitter1 | Windows users had enough sense to know that XP would be a turd on a netbook. | Jul 17 02:01 |
| fewa | whered u get one so cheap? | Jul 17 02:01 |
| fewa | celeron or atom? | Jul 17 02:01 |
| fewa | or geode? | Jul 17 02:01 |
| twitter1 | CDW | Jul 17 02:01 |
| twitter1 | celeron | Jul 17 02:01 |
| fewa | hmm... | Jul 17 02:01 |
| fewa | i would want a atom one if i got a x86 | Jul 17 02:02 |
| twitter1 | Carla of Linux today said they were dumping EEE PCs and it was true. | Jul 17 02:02 |
| fewa | it seems intel successfully pushed out geode..... | Jul 17 02:02 |
| fewa | dumped | Jul 17 02:02 |
| twitter1 | The game is far from over. | Jul 17 02:02 |
| twitter1 | I have an older, more reasonable 12" laptop that I'll use most of the time. | Jul 17 02:03 |
| twitter1 | I got the EEE PC for it's web cam. | Jul 17 02:03 |
| twitter1 | and it's portablity. | Jul 17 02:03 |
| twitter1 | it is light. | Jul 17 02:03 |
| twitter1 | and it will be fun to play with. Elive has a USB boot that's supposed to be very nice. | Jul 17 02:04 |
| twitter1 | My "real" computers will stick with Debian. | Jul 17 02:05 |
| twitter1 | :) | Jul 17 02:05 |
| fewa | i should have bought the atom $170 one off of newegg | Jul 17 02:05 |
| fewa | that was a steal | Jul 17 02:05 |
| twitter1 | Did it come with GNU/Linux or XP? | Jul 17 02:05 |
| fewa | xandros | Jul 17 02:05 |
| fewa | would have immediately whiped that | Jul 17 02:05 |
| twitter1 | that may have been a steal. | Jul 17 02:05 |
| fewa | only $512 but you can upgrade that | Jul 17 02:06 |
| fewa | 512MB lol | Jul 17 02:06 |
| twitter1 | My current laptop only has 512 MB. | Jul 17 02:06 |
| twitter1 | Works very well. | Jul 17 02:06 |
| twitter1 | Heck, this desktop here has 512MB. | Jul 17 02:07 |
| fewa | what desktop environment? | Jul 17 02:07 |
| twitter1 | E16 | Jul 17 02:07 |
| fewa | ahh, yeah | Jul 17 02:07 |
| fewa | ram is just so cheap these days i use tons | Jul 17 02:07 |
| twitter1 | on my laptop, which has working 3d accel, it is very nice. | Jul 17 02:07 |
| twitter1 | I can actually play games, ha ha. | Jul 17 02:07 |
| fewa | when will they sell the ARM ones and where can i get stats? | Jul 17 02:08 |
| twitter1 | Cruchpad looks like what I'd really want. | Jul 17 02:08 |
| twitter1 | It's ARM and GNU/Linux tablet. No keyboard, but I like X stroke. | Jul 17 02:09 |
| twitter1 | Asus has a nifty looking table netbook, but they want $500 for it and they have crippled it with XP. | Jul 17 02:10 |
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| Will | schestowitz : I'm guessing you've seen this page before: | Jul 17 02:14 |
| Will | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/bb905078.aspx | Jul 17 02:14 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : yast is gonna be ported to mono | Jul 17 02:14 |
| Will | lol | Jul 17 02:14 |
| Will | Well, have fun with that, I guess. | Jul 17 02:15 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : http://tirania.org/blog/ | Jul 17 02:16 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : banshee is gonna take over the world | Jul 17 02:16 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz-sharp bindings are on the way | Jul 17 02:17 |
| Will | From the article: I don't know about financial, but I have yet to meet a scientific user that uses Mono for development. | Jul 17 02:18 |
| Will | C,C++, Fortran, Python, sure. But never Mono or C#. | Jul 17 02:18 |
| twitter1 | Meet your local M$ TE, ha ha. The page comes with a lot of restrictions. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx | Jul 17 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Wow, Will, that's a lot | Jul 17 02:20 |
| schestowitz | We ought to modify the index and add some | Jul 17 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't the list include them all yet? | Jul 17 02:21 |
| schestowitz | There's state overlap | Jul 17 02:21 |
| Will | I didn't cross check what you had before with that list. I'm sure there's some overlap. | Jul 17 02:22 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what is the alternative to yast-mono ? | Jul 17 02:22 |
| schestowitz | IT's just a SUSE thing | Jul 17 02:23 |
| schestowitz | No-one bothers with it | Jul 17 02:23 |
| schestowitz | They GPLed it around the same year/s of the Microsoft deal | Jul 17 02:23 |
| schestowitz | yast2 is tainted by the Ballmer/Hovsepian shadow | Jul 17 02:23 |
| Will | yast is sort of an all-in-one control panel/package manager/kitchen sink for Suse. | Jul 17 02:24 |
| Will | Only Suse uses yast. It's like the Mandriva Control Center. | Jul 17 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Mandriva's good | Jul 17 02:25 |
| schestowitz | And it's used in its derivatives | Jul 17 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Like pclos | Jul 17 02:25 |
| Will | yep | Jul 17 02:25 |
| _Hicham_ | Mandriva is in love with perl | Jul 17 02:25 |
| schestowitz | No-one bothers even forking SUSE | Jul 17 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Not even SLE | Jul 17 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | OpenSUSE/SLE are an island | Jul 17 02:26 |
| Will | would be nice if a debian based distro would put together something like what Mandriva has. | Jul 17 02:26 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : we will fork SUSE together | Jul 17 02:26 |
| Will | heh. please do. Another KDE distro would be great. | Jul 17 02:26 |
| Will | Suse was so good to KDE in the before times. | Jul 17 02:27 |
| _Hicham_ | SUSE stands for : Schestowitz Unt Systems in England | Jul 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, SUSE was a great KDE distro | Jul 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: LOL | Jul 17 02:28 |
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| _Hicham_ | kde-sharp is already there | Jul 17 02:32 |
| _Hicham_ | Miguel is doing a hard job | Jul 17 02:32 |
| _Hicham_ | how much is he paid schestowitz ? | Jul 17 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Hmm I am having fun. I have Linux telling me the user I am now using does not exist. | Jul 17 02:34 |
| Will | I never noticed this before: they're even pushing to get Mono on the PS3. Huh? | Jul 17 02:35 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : u wasn't treating linux right | Jul 17 02:35 |
| _Hicham_ | Wikipedia uses mono | Jul 17 02:36 |
| ThistleWeb | we're all just figments of Ballmer's conscience; when he wakes up sweating we'll vanish | Jul 17 02:36 |
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| ThistleWeb | the trolls are all the BS excuses and justifications practising for the performances in front of various committees | Jul 17 02:37 |
| oiaohm | I was not _Hicham_ I by mistake deleted the passwd file and restored it. | Jul 17 02:38 |
| oiaohm | Now I have some really strange errors | Jul 17 02:38 |
| Will | Is there a video of the "infamous" St. IGNUcius routine I've read so much about lately? | Jul 17 02:39 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't think that it is sufficient to restore the pwd file | Jul 17 02:39 |
| twitter1 | I have not seen it. | Jul 17 02:40 |
| twitter1 | there are only snippets. | Jul 17 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | better ignore twitter1 | Jul 17 02:40 |
| twitter1 | the conference was supposed to provide video and transcripts. | Jul 17 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : isn't the pwd file encrypted ? | Jul 17 02:41 |
| twitter1 | Until you see them, you have only the word of some nutcase who posts 100s of abusive posts to BN a month. | Jul 17 02:41 |
| oiaohm | I removed /etc/passwd _Hicham_ | Jul 17 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Then put it back from backups | Jul 17 02:41 |
| Will | Well that's exactly why I wanted to see a video of it. | Jul 17 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Not something I will recommend doing _Hicham_ | Jul 17 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Seams to confuse system extreamly well. | Jul 17 02:42 |
| _Hicham_ | what errors do u get ? | Jul 17 02:43 |
| twitter1 | A lot of work is going on in Debian testing now. They have several good KDE meta packages that make it easy to get everything. I predict the next release will make it easy to chose KDE instead of Gnome -> Will: would be nice if a debian based distro would put together something like what Mandriva has. | Jul 17 02:43 |
| oiaohm | User don't exist Unable to determ shell when trying to start a terminal. | Jul 17 02:43 |
| oiaohm | And the list goes on. | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: being a decent person is "above his pay grade". That's what I know | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | He uses military terminopoly | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | To excuse his betrayal of the community | Jul 17 02:44 |
| oiaohm | I have no name! in bash is funny. | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | he regretted the whole Moon Lie scam in the sense that he saw they got bamboozled by MS | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | It's OK for him as long as he's paid | Jul 17 02:44 |
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| _Hicham_ | regretted ? | Jul 17 02:45 |
| _Hicham_ | when did he say that schestowitz ? | Jul 17 02:45 |
| Will | I guess I was referring more to the Mandriva Control Center part (though I haven't really needed something like that for a while). Still, with Suse gone, I'd be happy to see another distro step up to become the premier KDE distro. I view Mandriva as more of a DE-agnostic distro. | Jul 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: searchuing.. | Jul 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Here: | Jul 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/03/06/mix-novells-de-icaza-criticizes-microsoft-patent-deal | Jul 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | "MIX - Novell's de Icaza criticizes Microsoft patent deal" | Jul 17 02:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | MCC is written in perl::Gtk | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | BN is cited there too | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: MCC is Manchester Computing | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | I worked there for quite a few years | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | And it's where the first GNU/Linux distro was built | Jul 17 02:47 |
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| schestowitz | Called "MCC" | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Will: maybe Driva will capitalise on GNOME users moving from Ubuntu | Jul 17 02:48 |
| _Hicham_ | so u r one of the fathers of linux distros ? | Jul 17 02:48 |
| _Hicham_ | Mandriva begun offering GNOME lived CD | Jul 17 02:48 |
| _Hicham_ | at first, it was KDE centric | Jul 17 02:48 |
| _Hicham_ | though all of its tools are written in perl::GTK | Jul 17 02:49 |
| schestowitz | No, Owen is | Jul 17 02:49 |
| schestowitz | MCC is 200 meters from my home | Jul 17 02:50 |
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| Will | schestowitz: could happen. Ubuntu is in for an interesting year or two. Hard to say how much Mono might get embedded in it. Hard to say whether Mono might spark the same kind of exodus in Ubuntu that the deal did with Suse. | Jul 17 02:51 |
| schestowitz | I like Ubuntu | Jul 17 02:52 |
| schestowitz | I hope they'll wisen up | Jul 17 02:52 |
| schestowitz | I see their CTO just turning his back on RMS | Jul 17 02:52 |
| schestowitz | So I am not so hopeful, yet | Jul 17 02:52 |
| _Hicham_ | then u should like openSUSE too | Jul 17 02:52 |
| ThistleWeb | it's possible a fork of Ubuntu without mono appearing and getting very popular will be enough to send a message that peeps are happy with ubuntu but are willing to move if it includes mono | Jul 17 02:52 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no difference between Ubuntu and openSUSE on Mono side | Jul 17 02:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu GNU/Linux Beats OpenSolaris on Performance http://ping.fm/Mf27y | Jul 17 02:53 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft likes [borat accent] | Jul 17 02:53 |
| schestowitz | MONUX | Jul 17 02:53 |
| schestowitz | The cheap .NET distro | Jul 17 02:53 |
| schestowitz | Not free | Jul 17 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Just cheap | Jul 17 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft INNOVA~1 must be paid for | Jul 17 02:54 |
| schestowitz | The OpenSUSE terms with Microsoft say they will be left alone as long as they don't make money | Jul 17 02:54 |
| schestowitz | So if you are a business using OpenSUSE and making money, then Microsoft can strike. Novell shook Ballmer's hand on it. | Jul 17 02:55 |
| Will | ThistleWeb : That's one of the better outcomes. No sense letting Microsoft derail it. | Jul 17 02:55 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE people don't want to know or understand how Novell screwed them over | Jul 17 02:55 |
| Will | Mono is just the next trick now that they can't make anymore Suse deals. | Jul 17 02:55 |
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| Will | Since they can't make the deals, they'll keep the community flailing and wasting their energy in divisive arguments and trying to code around every instance of Mono that pops up (Gnote/Tomboy, etc.) | Jul 17 02:57 |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder what impact a distro like that would have, stating right from the off that it's a project to make a point to Canonical in a way that hopefully the leadership will listen to in a way they haven't been so far | Jul 17 02:57 |
| *schestowitz listens to French rap for some reason | Jul 17 02:57 | |
| Will | Not to say that Gnote is a waste. It's good, but if not for Mono, it wouldn't be necessary. | Jul 17 02:57 |
| ThistleWeb | stating upfront, it IS Ubuntu without mono, nothing else has changed | Jul 17 02:57 |
| twitter1 | With TomTom and cases like this, http://slashdot.org/submission/1039369/GNULinux-NAS-Company-Taxed-by-M-Patents | Jul 17 02:58 |
| twitter1 | How could anyone want to touch anything M$? | Jul 17 02:58 |
| schestowitz | If there was a derivative of Mono where mononono is installed and that's all, what would you call it? | Jul 17 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | We could make it | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | And put the ISO on torrent | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | There's demand | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | It can't be "Ubuntu" anything due to trademark | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | Shane created SueME Linux | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | But it's no longer onlone | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | *line | Jul 17 02:59 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah of course the ubuntu name is trademarked | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | SueME was Slax-based | Jul 17 02:59 |
| twitter1 | It's funny. Mono and Ubuntu have opposite meanings. | Jul 17 03:00 |
| ThistleWeb | nobuntu? | Jul 17 03:00 |
| _Hicham_ | UbuntuME have been renamed | Jul 17 03:01 |
| _Hicham_ | because Canonical feared the worst from Microsoft | Jul 17 03:01 |
| twitter1 | I think GNUsense already does this. | Jul 17 03:01 |
| Will | Just tossing an idea out: anyone know enough about African languages to pick an African word that poignantly highlights what this no-mono distro is about? | Jul 17 03:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I doubt it'd be popular as anything more than a protest vote | Jul 17 03:02 |
| Will | ThistleWeb : you're probably right | Jul 17 03:02 |
| twitter1 | http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ForumMain/WhatAboutMono | Jul 17 03:02 |
| Will | Unless it manages to do something on top of stock Ubuntu, the way Mint started. | Jul 17 03:02 |
| ThistleWeb | going mono free is easier than a separate distro | Jul 17 03:02 |
| ThistleWeb | either pick a distro that wont have it as a default, or remove it | Jul 17 03:03 |
| _Hicham_ | Mono is essential for Ubuntu | Jul 17 03:03 |
| _Hicham_ | they can't leave without it | Jul 17 03:03 |
| _Hicham_ | from f-spot | Jul 17 03:03 |
| _Hicham_ | to banshee | Jul 17 03:03 |
| _Hicham_ | to moonsoon | Jul 17 03:03 |
| ThistleWeb | from what I know ubuntu only has tomboy by default | Jul 17 03:04 |
| ThistleWeb | banshee didnt make it, neither did f-spot | Jul 17 03:04 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, and f-spot | Jul 17 03:04 |
| _Hicham_ | well, I used to have f-spot on ubuntu | Jul 17 03:04 |
| _Hicham_ | on live cd | Jul 17 03:04 |
| ThistleWeb | it wasnt installed by default though | Jul 17 03:04 |
| _Hicham_ | I think it was | Jul 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | > <twitter1> It's funny. Mono and Ubuntu have opposite meanings. | Jul 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | That's pretty amusing | Jul 17 03:05 |
| ThistleWeb | it's either f-spot or gimp, and the gimp has been there for a long time | Jul 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Mono: inhumanity (Microsoft) for human beings | Jul 17 03:05 |
| _Hicham_ | no gimp, is everywhere | Jul 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | We need to make a clean version of a strong ddistro | Jul 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Not opensuse | Jul 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | That would just empower it | Jul 17 03:06 |
| schestowitz | Shane did Slax | Jul 17 03:06 |
| Will | Mono: inhumanly (Microsoft) for Microsoft. | Jul 17 03:06 |
| ThistleWeb | from what I understand with the community promise, tomby is legally fine, while banshee and f-spot are not | Jul 17 03:06 |
| _Hicham_ | I am gonna fork openSUSE schestowitz | Jul 17 03:06 |
| schestowitz | If we make a Ubuntu deriv that only has added mononono (a brnch), we could seed a torrent | Jul 17 03:06 |
| schestowitz | For people who want Ubuntu minus the mono | Jul 17 03:06 |
| schestowitz | Out of the box | Jul 17 03:06 |
| schestowitz | And with mononono it's incompatible with mono apps as well | Jul 17 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | I will do the same with openSUSE | Jul 17 03:07 |
| Will | Schestowix | Jul 17 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Put nice wallpaper in their, a name like LibreOS | Jul 17 03:07 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, install banshee, f-spot etc with no dependencies met, so they're broken | Jul 17 03:07 |
| schestowitz | *there | Jul 17 03:07 |
| twitter1 | Mono has connotations of individuality and selfishness. Ubuntu is all about community. | Jul 17 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | I will put schestowitz' picture on the wallpaper | Jul 17 03:07 |
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| twitter1 | The exclusive licensing of Mono fits it's name perfectly. | Jul 17 03:08 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: is there a good tool for spinning Ubuntu? | Jul 17 03:08 |
| schestowitz | With PCLOS it's easy | Jul 17 03:08 |
| schestowitz | I never tried with Ubuntu | Jul 17 03:08 |
| ThistleWeb | onom | Jul 17 03:08 |
| schestowitz | We can seed a torrent and advertise it | Jul 17 03:08 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: Oh!Nom! | Jul 17 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | I think it is easy too | Jul 17 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | just never tried | Jul 17 03:09 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jul 17 03:09 |
| ThistleWeb | moNO! | Jul 17 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : who will host it? | Jul 17 03:09 |
| twitter1 | But really, there's no need to make a new distribution when GNewsense already has same goals and a good community behind it. | Jul 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | If Mint does and and Crunchbang too it can't be hard | Jul 17 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | promoting mononono is easier | Jul 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: we can use torrent | Jul 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: will gnewsense drop mono? | Jul 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it last week | Jul 17 03:10 |
| twitter1 | According to that link, they try. | Jul 17 03:10 |
| schestowitz | They follow the FSF | Jul 17 03:10 |
| schestowitz | FSF says "nono mono" | Jul 17 03:10 |
| twitter1 | So the effort is ongoing. | Jul 17 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | gnewsense like mono | Jul 17 03:10 |
| schestowitz | So they'll probably obey | Jul 17 03:10 |
| ThistleWeb | where this would be different is that it's only mono removed, not all the drivers that make your OS actually useable | Jul 17 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Which obviates the need for what we discuss here | Jul 17 03:10 |
| twitter1 | Rather than duplicate that effort, people should join it. | Jul 17 03:10 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: +1 | Jul 17 03:11 |
| twitter1 | BN can, of course, contribute. | Jul 17 03:11 |
| twitter1 | It's a good idea to brainstorm a clever name for the package. | Jul 17 03:11 |
| twitter1 | mononono is good | Jul 17 03:11 |
| twitter1 | but it's all negative | Jul 17 03:12 |
| ThistleWeb | moNO! | Jul 17 03:12 |
| Will | Whatever happens, it may still be 2-3 releases before Ubuntu's mono infection progresses much further. The patient could still be saved. | Jul 17 03:12 |
| _Hicham_ | mononono-0.1-1.schestowitz.rpm | Jul 17 03:13 |
| twitter1 | The community is working, smothering the mono invasion like so many anti-bodies. Soon, Ubuntu will be pissing mono out. | Jul 17 03:14 |
| Will | I just don't want to see Ubuntu get dropped or fade away. It has a community and a lot of name recognition. Normal, non-techie people have heard of Ubuntu when they haven't even heard of Linux. | Jul 17 03:14 |
| ThistleWeb | hopefully on the lawn of a corporate building in Redmond | Jul 17 03:14 |
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| ThistleWeb | or their current tax haven HQ | Jul 17 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | it is up to mr shuttleworth | Jul 17 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | "I do it with mono" | Jul 17 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | that will be their new slogan | Jul 17 03:17 |
| _Hicham_ | since they are recruiting mono devs | Jul 17 03:17 |
| _Hicham_ | do u mono? yes. -> come in | Jul 17 03:17 |
| Will | Gotta go. Bye all. | Jul 17 03:18 |
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| kevin009 | has anyone ever purchased a used copy of a computer game that requires "one-time activation"? that would be fun | Jul 17 03:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Competition Heats Up Around Instant Booting of Linux http://ping.fm/vmwB8 | Jul 17 03:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company Bases Product on Google's Linux and Earns $17.4 Million in Funding http://ping.fm/CrODE | Jul 17 03:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Praises for Google's Linux Strategy for Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/H43bL | Jul 17 03:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MySQL Goes Closer to Government http://ping.fm/Vdxl7 | Jul 17 04:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lockheed Martin Releases Free Software http://ping.fm/ScF6Y | Jul 17 04:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dutch Police -- Like Most of the Country -- Moves to Free Software http://ping.fm/lExnD | Jul 17 04:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Update from Switzerland Regarding the Illegal Government Contract with Microsoft http://ping.fm/VHbCX | Jul 17 04:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Tells Old Media to Get Its Act Together and Evolve Already http://ping.fm/KbAx2 | Jul 17 04:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Swedish ISP Dares to Say "No" to the MAFIAA and Respect Customers' Rights http://ping.fm/E3j0E | Jul 17 04:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FFII president: "RIM pays 267 Millions USD to get rid of another patent troll" http://ping.fm/GVaGN | Jul 17 04:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why the Notion of "Original Work" is Absurd (Input/Output) http://ping.fm/UjSaM | Jul 17 04:56 | |
| fewa | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/16/microsoft-execs-ask-apple_n_235680.html | Jul 17 04:57 |
| schestowitz | ACK. Discussed earlier | Jul 17 05:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Mobile Leads to Virus Outbreak in Telephones http://ping.fm/LKdiT | Jul 17 05:01 | |
| fewa | Microsoft is backing itsself into a wall | Jul 17 05:01 |
| fewa | discussion about things that actually matter | Jul 17 05:02 |
| fewa | now all Linux needs is more press | Jul 17 05:02 |
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| schestowitz | And legal attack on Microsoft | Jul 17 05:17 |
| schestowitz | The racketerring | Jul 17 05:18 |
| schestowitz | Linux should respons properly | Jul 17 05:18 |
| schestowitz | But IBM is greedy and cowardly about it | Jul 17 05:18 |
| schestowitz | They could sue MS | Jul 17 05:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 is Just Vapourware, Says Microsoft's CEO http://ping.fm/vhuYc | Jul 17 05:20 | |
| fewa | that would be great | Jul 17 05:20 |
| schestowitz | it's light here. Had no sleep... no tiredness... wierd | Jul 17 05:20 |
| fewa | it would raise alot of awareness of Linux | Jul 17 05:20 |
| schestowitz | Let's see if I can skip a night :-) | Jul 17 05:20 |
| schestowitz | IBM would respond when they find the SCO smoking gun | Jul 17 05:21 |
| schestowitz | But it would be hypocritical to attack over patent | Jul 17 05:21 |
| fewa | and other PC operating systems | Jul 17 05:21 |
| schestowitz | Becuase IBM does something similar | Jul 17 05:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Opera Complains About Microsoft's Vista 7 Stunts http://ping.fm/hASGS | Jul 17 05:23 | |
| fewa | patents? its over a trademark | Jul 17 05:23 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: SCO yes | Jul 17 05:26 |
| fewa | i thout SCO was over copyrights | Jul 17 05:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Mono is Microsoft Infatuation and How Novell Poisons GNOME http://ping.fm/kE0lR | Jul 17 05:26 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: I was referring to the patent racketeering | Jul 17 05:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Brand is Terrible Among People Who Understand Technology http://ping.fm/CMMig | Jul 17 05:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] VMware Poisoned by Law-breaking Microsoft Executives http://ping.fm/N0tBZ | Jul 17 05:31 | |
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| twitter1 | http://bayimg.com/KALnpaabp :) | Jul 17 06:20 |
| twitter1 | http://bayimg.com/baMDDaABh | Jul 17 06:21 |
| schestowitz | I've just seen the RMS video | Jul 17 06:23 |
| schestowitz | He made a tactless remark | Jul 17 06:23 |
| schestowitz | 10 seconds out of 2 hours of talk | Jul 17 06:24 |
| schestowitz | He stuttered | Jul 17 06:24 |
| schestowitz | And the anti-RMS trolls used this little remark to start a riot | Jul 17 06:24 |
| schestowitz | How telling | Jul 17 06:24 |
| twitter1 | got link? | Jul 17 06:25 |
| twitter1 | http://bayimg.com/oaCGPAACK | Jul 17 06:25 |
| twitter1 | http://bayimg.com/PACGAaack | Jul 17 06:27 |
| twitter1 | 10 seconds out of a 25 year career. | Jul 17 06:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 6:45am, still awake. buh. | Jul 17 06:28 | |
| twitter1 | We might want to remember the lovely objectification of women in the Slog doc. "one night stand" nonsense and how that man also manipulated a cancer victim so that he could get M$ into a conference, stack a panel or some other crime. | Jul 17 06:29 |
| twitter1 | But it would be silly to do that when how rude people from M$ are is obvious on the face of it. | Jul 17 06:30 |
| twitter1 | According to Lefty, people were heckling him too. | Jul 17 06:31 |
| twitter1 | RMS get's heckled everywhere he goes and in his email by asses like Lefty. | Jul 17 06:32 |
| twitter1 | Can you imagine getting such a vile chain of email? Well, most free software advocates get that kind of thing everywhere they speak out in public. It's the M$ slog. | Jul 17 06:33 |
| twitter1 | A vicious, prolonged and deeply personal attack. | Jul 17 06:33 |
| twitter1 | It seems to me to be an essential part of non free software. | Jul 17 06:34 |
| twitter1 | Software owners pretend they are special and that you should be grateful for what your computer does. | Jul 17 06:34 |
| twitter1 | They ask you to not help your neighbor. | Jul 17 06:35 |
| twitter1 | They insult your neighbors who would help you. | Jul 17 06:35 |
| twitter1 | How dare you think of changing the software on your cell phone?!! | Jul 17 06:36 |
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| twitter1 | The FCC will lock you in jail for not taking whatever garbage telco monopolies decide to saddle you with. | Jul 17 06:36 |
| Exidy | if its a monopoly it will be an easy decision | Jul 17 06:38 |
| schestowitz | This is some nice documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-wJDJybgH0&NR=1 | Jul 17 06:48 |
| schestowitz | I should get some sleep.. | Jul 17 06:56 |
| fewa | archive.org now supports the video tag | Jul 17 06:59 |
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| tessier | http://storagemojo.com/2009/07/16/microsoft-out-for-vmware-blood/ | Jul 17 08:15 |
| tessier | *Microsoft* is talking about the *VMware* TAX?!?! | Jul 17 08:15 |
| tessier | That's rich. | Jul 17 08:15 |
| fewa | I dont get why people pay any money for virtualization | Jul 17 08:28 |
| fewa | well not any, but that these huge chasms of money | Jul 17 08:29 |
| Exidy | people will pay money for anything they need or want. | Jul 17 08:29 |
| fewa | It seems more in their best interest to spend that money making kvm and virt-manager better | Jul 17 08:30 |
| tacone | because it's so cool | Jul 17 08:30 |
| Exidy | some people dont want to make something else better, but they do want to use what is available. mabey they are not developers, or have better things to do with their time | Jul 17 08:31 |
| fewa | then just use kvm, cause it provides better performance than competitiors, and better compatibility than any other product | Jul 17 08:31 |
| fewa | (with hardware support) | Jul 17 08:32 |
| Exidy | you cant tell or make people in a free world what to use, no matter how much you like something, | Jul 17 08:33 |
| fewa | Im not, im saying that kvm and virt-manager is a superior product, for a lower TCO | Jul 17 08:34 |
| fewa | and with the realizations that new features wont be charged for piecemeal, and that they will have the flexibility to make it do the things they may need | Jul 17 08:34 |
| fewa | things that are no possible without a open source development model | Jul 17 08:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Text Mode Linux Applications http://bit.ly/woG0I | Jul 17 08:48 | |
| Exidy | and a bunch of skilled developers and a willingness to do the development and the ability to do it. | Jul 17 08:48 |
| Exidy | If your simply a "user" your screwed. | Jul 17 08:48 |
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| fewa | Google is supporting HR 2428 too: Install broadband fiber as part of every federally-funded infrastructure project. http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2009/06/google-submits-initial-comments.html | Jul 17 09:28 |
| fewa | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/new-bill-wants-fiber-conduit-built-into-every-road-project.ars | Jul 17 09:36 |
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| trmanco | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503286 | Jul 17 10:48 |
| trmanco | so much fuss about this bug and it's already been fixed | Jul 17 10:48 |
| trmanco | http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5.1/releasenotes/ | Jul 17 10:50 |
| trmanco | it already has been released | Jul 17 10:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Firefox 3.5.1 já foi lançado: http://is.gd/1C2LU Será que os trolls se podem calar agora? Está previsto outro update para fim do mes... | Jul 17 10:54 | |
| trmanco | http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/EMACS_virgins_joke | Jul 17 10:59 |
| fewa | yep | Jul 17 11:02 |
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| fewa | RMS shouldnt have made any response on the comment | Jul 17 11:03 |
| tacone | ? | Jul 17 11:04 |
| fewa | http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/EMACS_virgins_joke | Jul 17 11:04 |
| fewa | *on the attack of character | Jul 17 11:05 |
| schestowitz | How they blow it out of proportion. He was wrong... like 10 seconds out of 2 hours | Jul 17 11:05 |
| fewa | exactly, and not responding would have helped | Jul 17 11:06 |
| schestowitz | And the critics reveal the true colour... hating RMS for not endorsing non-Free software | Jul 17 11:06 |
| fewa | exactly, let them hold their own words | Jul 17 11:06 |
| schestowitz | You know what? | Jul 17 11:06 |
| fewa | as noone listens | Jul 17 11:06 |
| schestowitz | What I will have to say about ACCESS in the future (DRM, proprietary etc) is unlikely to be nice | Jul 17 11:07 |
| schestowitz | I already knew about them being proprietary and all | Jul 17 11:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what the FInk thing was about, he's an idiot if he really got employers into this, but this whole thing bodes badly for ACCESS | Jul 17 11:08 |
| fewa | link? im not sure what you are talking about | Jul 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | (that they have anti-RMS people on their staff and all... exploiting Linux while mocking the origins) | Jul 17 11:08 |
| fewa | not families * | Jul 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | fewa: "lefty" says some guy (probably with a fake name) contacted his employer | Jul 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | But that's besides the point | Jul 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm basically trying to see who started to inflate this whole incident | Jul 17 11:09 |
| schestowitz | It wasn't supposed to be just a little tactless incident that remains at that... a tctless incident | Jul 17 11:09 |
| fewa | which one is lefty? | Jul 17 11:09 |
| schestowitz | RMS' tactless remarks | Jul 17 11:09 |
| schestowitz | fewa: the egomaniac | Jul 17 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Proprietiser | Jul 17 11:10 |
| fewa | ahh yes i see | Jul 17 11:10 |
| schestowitz | So he hates RMS | Jul 17 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't even deny it | Jul 17 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Anyway..... | Jul 17 11:10 |
| tacone | this thing is going to hurt real feminism. | Jul 17 11:14 |
| tacone | how one can give credit to a movement who screams like crazy for a virgin-mary parody ? | Jul 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | RMS could apologise, but well... | Jul 17 11:14 |
| tacone | he doesn't feel he owe apologies. and that's a pretty balanced stance. | Jul 17 11:15 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jul 17 11:15 |
| tacone | read mackenzie comments on my blog | Jul 17 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I should catch up with posts for a few hours now (daily round) | Jul 17 11:16 |
| schestowitz | About 300-400 comments yesterday got me distracted. | Jul 17 11:16 |
| tacone | k | Jul 17 11:16 |
| schestowitz | tacone: direct link? | Jul 17 11:16 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/one-thing-nobody-told-you-about-mono/ | Jul 17 11:16 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to debate with people that repeatedly jump back to the hypothesis that they are treated poorly because of race/gender/other | Jul 17 11:17 |
| tacone | she protested as long as she could find a single excuse to protest. | Jul 17 11:17 |
| tacone | it's not about rms. it's just because it's sexism. | Jul 17 11:17 |
| schestowitz | But I haven't seen the comments yet | Jul 17 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Let's seee | Jul 17 11:17 |
| tacone | WAIT | Jul 17 11:17 |
| tacone | i could claim that mono is sexist :D | Jul 17 11:17 |
| tacone | lol | Jul 17 11:17 |
| tacone | (ok joking) | Jul 17 11:17 |
| schestowitz | It's all sorts of things like anti-defamation league that give a bad name to real disrimination | Jul 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | mono, why? | Jul 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | monosex? | Jul 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Monkey? | Jul 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | I don't get it | Jul 17 11:18 |
| tacone | it doesn't matter why. | Jul 17 11:18 |
| tacone | leave that alone. it was just a bad joke on people's vacuity | Jul 17 11:19 |
| schestowitz | "And you silenced us with a blanket statement that the women weren’t speaking out." | Jul 17 11:19 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Jul 17 11:19 |
| tacone | ehehe | Jul 17 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she's right..? I didn't read carefully. | Jul 17 11:19 |
| tacone | so, the problem was me, not rms | Jul 17 11:19 |
| schestowitz | d'accuse | Jul 17 11:19 |
| tacone | "Curiously I haven’t read about (but I may have missed them) any reaction from women present at the conference, just from people with some level of involvement in Mono (and, after some time, some of their friends)." | Jul 17 11:20 |
| tacone | that's why she told so. | Jul 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | See, this is what I worried about | Jul 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Support RMS now = chauvinist | Jul 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | There's a difference here | Jul 17 11:20 |
| tacone | i asked her for links in the previous comment | Jul 17 11:20 |
| fewa | people, serious, people, just calm down | Jul 17 11:20 |
| tacone | and still she didn't provide any but screamed at censorship | Jul 17 11:20 |
| fewa | noone cares | Jul 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jul 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | fewa is right | Jul 17 11:21 |
| *schestowitz resumes writing | Jul 17 11:21 | |
| tacone | fewa: this is just random chatter. | Jul 17 11:21 |
| tacone | lol http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-15-015-35-OP-CY-GN-0006 | Jul 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | I am more worried about other attacjs | Jul 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | On GPL/RMS | Jul 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | From Asay and others | Jul 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | The ones that are technical discussion | Jul 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Not humour-deficient people | Jul 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Just those who don't give a blip about freedom | Jul 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | and I'll write about it | Jul 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | fewa: ha! | Jul 17 11:24 |
| trmanco | I've just read a 150 lined email | Jul 17 11:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] [GNU/FSF Press] Microsoft's Empty Promise: http://is.gd/1C41l !fsf | Jul 17 11:24 | |
| trmanco | about C# from the FSF | Jul 17 11:24 |
| trmanco | ah there it is | Jul 17 11:24 |
| schestowitz | LinuxToday link... that was @ tacone actuallt | Jul 17 11:24 |
| fewa | :P | Jul 17 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | I have some really good Comes docs coming | Jul 17 11:25 |
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| fewa | in fact any press raised by this personal attack should be responded to by stressing the advantages and superiorities of free software | Jul 17 11:30 |
| tacone | David Siegel explains why he choose Mono. | Jul 17 11:31 |
| tacone | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6797/2/ | Jul 17 11:31 |
| tacone | Pretty much nothing interesting. | Jul 17 11:32 |
| tacone | but how much he loves c# 3.0 (which is out of standard) | Jul 17 11:32 |
| tacone | and Linq (out of standard https://bugs.launchpad.net/mononono/+bug/393557 ) | Jul 17 11:32 |
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| fewa | halarious http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-15-2009/drag-me-to-health | Jul 17 11:54 |
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| trmanco | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-July/069714.html | Jul 17 12:15 |
| trmanco | wow | Jul 17 12:15 |
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| Tallken | hallo | Jul 17 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Hi | Jul 17 12:19 |
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| Tallken | comparison between the major 4 distros. They're using unstable or equivalent, I believe http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=distro_four_way | Jul 17 12:28 |
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| Tallken | *speed test | Jul 17 12:31 |
| Tallken | *and alikes | Jul 17 12:31 |
| fewa | these are kernel benchmarks | Jul 17 12:34 |
| fewa | also get autopagerize http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/8551 | Jul 17 12:35 |
| fewa | makes pagespam sites usable | Jul 17 12:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virus Outbreak Comes to Phones (Due to Windows), Royal Australian Air Force Cracked (Due to Windows) http://ping.fm/0E5mU | Jul 17 12:38 | |
| schestowitz | I have pagination | Jul 17 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Remember what page means | Jul 17 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Page is when you have a physical limitation | Jul 17 12:39 |
| fewa | exactly | Jul 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Like sheets of material, since the very old age | Jul 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Page numbers are not rational for referencing either | Jul 17 12:39 |
| fewa | i learned it from that design kid | Jul 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | What's better? "Page 65"? Or "Section 6.5"? | Jul 17 12:39 |
| fewa | that was son of a apple engineer | Jul 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | It's illogical slicing | Jul 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | But Michael increases his pageviews by slicing and dicing it down | Jul 17 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the graphics justify it sometimes | Jul 17 12:40 |
| fewa | this one: | Jul 17 12:41 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuELwq2ThJE | Jul 17 12:41 |
| fewa | wait i think i had it before seening that, whatever | Jul 17 12:42 |
| fewa | google really needs to add pagination by default | Jul 17 12:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Nessus Teaches About Mono http://ping.fm/UGX2P | Jul 17 13:11 | |
| fewa | breaking the web, you cant launch a browser unless you have our permission. http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/Script/Silverlight.supportedUserAgent.js | Jul 17 13:12 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090717043855128 << Issues for mono are not disappearing. | Jul 17 13:52 |
| Exidy | or appearing | Jul 17 13:52 |
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| Exidy | If fact the issues are dissappearing, its just FOSS keep trying to come up with ever more vague and unrealistic requirements. "and that is a commitment to ensuring that future standards are based on the same set of promises." thats increadable that "all future standards" have to now be considers, talk about moving the goal posts. | Jul 17 14:00 |
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| wallclimber | Good morning! :) | Jul 17 14:02 |
| fewa | Exidy, if Microsoft wanted to make a statement that way legally clear they have had plenty of opportunity to do so. Google was certainly capable of doing so. http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license | Jul 17 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 17 14:04 |
| schestowitz | I quite like the post I published a minute ago | Jul 17 14:04 |
| fewa | why thank yourself :P | Jul 17 14:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why the Melco-Microsoft Deal is a Form of Racketeering http://ping.fm/3KmF4 | Jul 17 14:05 | |
| wallclimber | I'm reading it now... | Jul 17 14:05 |
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| Exidy | they are not telling YOU what patents , im fairly sure Melco and MS know. | Jul 17 14:07 |
| wallclimber | Melco is a hardware company, rather than a software company...yes? | Jul 17 14:09 |
| Exidy | yes, but their hardware contains software, like tomtom is a hardware company as well. | Jul 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Exidy: no, they don;t | Jul 17 14:11 |
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| Exidy | NAS's dont contain software roy ?? | Jul 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | 121.218.184.17 resolves to | Jul 17 14:12 |
| schestowitz | "CPE-121-218-184-17.nsw.bigpond.net.au" | Jul 17 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Hi Mutex! | Jul 17 14:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Foundation Discourages Dependence on Mono, Dismisses Microsoft Community Promises http://ping.fm/5vQqe | Jul 17 14:12 | |
| schestowitz | How many nymshifts so far? | Jul 17 14:12 |
| schestowitz | 12? | Jul 17 14:12 |
| schestowitz | 15? | Jul 17 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Bye | Jul 17 14:12 |
| Exidy | answer to question ROY | Jul 17 14:12 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*@121.218.184.17 | Jul 17 14:12 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked Exidy from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jul 17 14:12 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not tell companies which patents | Jul 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | it mostly shows a list of other companies that sold out | Jul 17 14:13 |
| desu | o.o | Jul 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it may show something, according to brad Smith | Jul 17 14:13 |
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| desu | what's bigpong.net.au? | Jul 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | desu: I knew this troll would be back | Jul 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | It's not his last nymshift | Jul 17 14:13 |
| fewa | i knew it was him easlier | Jul 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | He'll try another trick | Jul 17 14:13 |
| desu | oh | Jul 17 14:13 |
| fewa | but i ended up will telstra on my last whois | Jul 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | fewa: you should have said so | Jul 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | He hides behind something that makes it hard to see it's him | Jul 17 14:14 |
| fewa | trolling about irtualization | Jul 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: Melco makes devices | Jul 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | it's where Linux is a big winner | Jul 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is a major loser there. I can't beat Linux | Jul 17 14:14 |
| wallclimber | Yes, I'm looking at their website | Jul 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | So it's trying to milk it for money now | Jul 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | fewa: he's from lins**x | Jul 17 14:15 |
| wallclimber | looks like MS succeeded in getting the bucket of milk | Jul 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | He's also trolling other Linux sites | Jul 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: well, crime pays | Jul 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Until you get people to take down illegal operations | Jul 17 14:15 |
| wallclimber | Mutex can be found in a lot of places | Jul 17 14:15 |
| fewa | hes obviously paid for what he does | Jul 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | I see the Mono people attack me very fast | Jul 17 14:16 |
| wallclimber | have you seen the boycotte microsoft site? | Jul 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Within minutes the insult and mod-gaming kicks in | Jul 17 14:16 |
| fewa | or seems to be | Jul 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Very amusing how nervous they are | Jul 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | The FSF is against their Microsoftisation too | Jul 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | So they see Mono become less popular then ever | Jul 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Who would START a project with Mono NOW? | Jul 17 14:16 |
| trmanco | http://lwn.net/Articles/341773/ | Jul 17 14:17 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: Microsoft tried to shut down that site | Jul 17 14:17 |
| fewa | ahh reverse dns | Jul 17 14:17 |
| schestowitz | They phones the company of the guy who ran it | Jul 17 14:17 |
| fewa | wonder why freenode didnt show it | Jul 17 14:17 |
| schestowitz | The Boycott Microsoft site is now not accessible in the old addresss | Jul 17 14:17 |
| schestowitz | They are bullies, so... what else to expect | Jul 17 14:17 |
| wallclimber | it's hosted on the Opera blog | Jul 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Last week someone threatened to contact who I was associated with | Jul 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | They still try to harrass and cause trouble | Jul 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | PJ moved houses who-knows-how-man-times | Jul 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | *many | Jul 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: no, that's some fan of BN | Jul 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | I saw that when trmanco posted it here | Jul 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | my.opera something | Jul 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | We have some fans who help | Jul 17 14:19 |
| wallclimber | ok, i see | Jul 17 14:19 |
| trmanco | oh the opera link of boycott ms | Jul 17 14:19 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Someone called "komrad" is populatr in fsdaily and he apparently likes the site | Jul 17 14:19 |
| trmanco | good site to host a blog like that | Jul 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | omar said he would put BN links in Reddit | Jul 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | I never asked for that | Jul 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | It's funny when people claim that I collude | Jul 17 14:20 |
| schestowitz | As if I *HAHA* pay people to spread the word | Jul 17 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I can barely pay my own bills and here they are insinuating that it's like some kind of a business. Very funny. And PJ is an IBM robot... | Jul 17 14:20 |
| wallclimber | you don't pay? | Jul 17 14:21 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: haha. True. | Jul 17 14:21 |
| wallclimber | :( | Jul 17 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Opera is angry now | Jul 17 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll link to it from FP | Jul 17 14:21 |
| trmanco | "A vulnerability which, when viewed at the source level, is unexploitable!" | Jul 17 14:21 |
| trmanco | wow | Jul 17 14:21 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: maybe I'll need to ask for donations at a later stage | Jul 17 14:21 |
| schestowitz | But it looks petty, so I avoid it | Jul 17 14:21 |
| trmanco | "But which, thanks to gcc optimizations, becomes exploitable :)" | Jul 17 14:21 |
| wallclimber | Yes, the Boycotte MS blog flooded Digg with entries | Jul 17 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Some people offered it before and I declined | Jul 17 14:21 |
| trmanco | "Also, bypass of mmap_min_addr via SELinux vulnerability! | Jul 17 14:22 |
| trmanco | (where having SELinux enabled actually increases your risk against a | Jul 17 14:22 |
| trmanco | large class of kernel vulnerabilities)" | Jul 17 14:22 |
| wallclimber | I was kidding about the pay. | Jul 17 14:22 |
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| trmanco | "if SELinux is enabled, it allows pulseaudio to map at 0 | Jul 17 14:24 |
| trmanco | UPDATE: not just that, SELinux lets any user in unconfined_t map at | Jul 17 14:24 |
| trmanco | 0, overriding the mmap_min_addr restriction! pulseaudio is not | Jul 17 14:24 |
| trmanco | needed at all! Having SELinux enabled actually *WEAKENS* system | Jul 17 14:24 |
| trmanco | security for these kinds of exploits!" | Jul 17 14:24 |
| Omar87 | Hey there. | Jul 17 14:24 |
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| wallclimber | wasn't SELinux certified by NSA? | Jul 17 14:30 |
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| trmanco | http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/index.shtml | Jul 17 14:34 |
| trmanco | something like that, yes | Jul 17 14:34 |
| fewa | is it fixed? | Jul 17 14:34 |
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| wallclimber | wow, i was reading the comments on the Nessus article. It apparently struck a nerve | Jul 17 14:40 |
| schestowitz | It should | Jul 17 14:41 |
| wallclimber | it's funny that they always accuse everyone here of being part of the "Cult of Roy"...how silly they are | Jul 17 14:43 |
| wallclimber | ugly trolls | Jul 17 14:43 |
| wallclimber | they've ruined the ubuntu forums too | Jul 17 14:44 |
| wallclimber | by the way, the Nessus article is a good one | Jul 17 14:46 |
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| wallclimber | the mono-nono article has some good points too - i especially liked his point about not expecting agreement, but would appreciate some understanding | Jul 17 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Jul 17 14:49 |
| wallclimber | mono people just don't seem to be capable of understanding anything | Jul 17 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know I have a "cult" | Jul 17 14:49 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: we should make up some traditions | Jul 17 14:50 |
| schestowitz | In the Cult of BN we don't have Godsa | Jul 17 14:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft search seems to be a lost adventure now. Bong [sic] is just blowing smoke, whereas figures show that it's a failure. | Jul 17 14:50 | |
| schestowitz | We have an editor | Jul 17 14:50 |
| schestowitz | And if there are BN virgins (people who are new to the site, nothing to do with virgins), then it's our duty to introduce them to GodWiki | Jul 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Top site trolls (like "Lefty") get the Halo | Jul 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | And using vi is not a sin, Mono is | Jul 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | So there. | Jul 17 14:52 |
| schestowitz | We have a "cult" now, wallclimber | Jul 17 14:52 |
| desu | sweet... | Jul 17 14:52 |
| wallclimber | yay! I've never been part of a cult before...lol...maybe my grandkids will do an intervention | Jul 17 14:52 |
| schestowitz | In our "Cult" there is no sabbath | Jul 17 14:53 |
| *desu always wanted to be in a cult~ | Jul 17 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | BN posts every day | Jul 17 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Because our God emacs was developed 7 days a week | Jul 17 14:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Do it all night (Michael Mind Radio Edit) - Darius & Finlay" ♫ http://blip.fm/~a3mrk | Jul 17 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | And rested when RMS got too busy with speeches | Jul 17 14:53 |
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| wallclimber | :) | Jul 17 14:53 |
| schestowitz | The "cult" of BN does believe in a devil | Jul 17 14:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Destination (Club Mix) - Darius & Finlay feat. Nicco" ♫ http://blip.fm/~a3mt5 | Jul 17 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | It is called St*ve Satan | Jul 17 14:54 |
| schestowitz | You can't spell his name fully | Jul 17 14:54 |
| wallclimber | we need some special cult holidays | Jul 17 14:54 |
| schestowitz | That would anger him | Jul 17 14:54 |
| schestowitz | True | Jul 17 14:54 |
| wallclimber | steve? angry? heh | Jul 17 14:54 |
| schestowitz | What would be the tradition. Would there be a pole like in Festivus? | Jul 17 14:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Destination (Michael Mind Remix) - Darius & Finlay feat. Nicco" ♫ http://blip.fm/~a3mwo | Jul 17 14:55 | |
| schestowitz | [sarcasm] trmanco: put the volume down | Jul 17 14:55 |
| schestowitz | ;-) | Jul 17 14:55 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 17 14:55 |
| trmanco | :-P | Jul 17 14:55 |
| trmanco | there actually are volume controls on blipfm | Jul 17 14:55 |
| trmanco | is* | Jul 17 14:56 |
| trmanco | control* | Jul 17 14:56 |
| wallclimber | St*ve, the angry chair god | Jul 17 14:57 |
| trmanco | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd252948.aspx | Jul 17 14:57 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 17 14:57 |
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| wallclimber | today i'm working on a new wall mural design (being the wallclimber that i am), the people want bob dylan in it | Jul 17 15:00 |
| wallclimber | it should be fun to do | Jul 17 15:00 |
| wallclimber | sooo, i guess i need to get to work...(are cultists allowed to leave the cult? :) | Jul 17 15:02 |
| wallclimber | bye, for now | Jul 17 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Does anyone think that selling shirts that call to "boycott Novell" is a reasonable thing? | Jul 17 15:09 |
| schestowitz | We could also make "boycott Mono" tshirts | Jul 17 15:09 |
| schestowitz | and other things that harm people's freedom | Jul 17 15:09 |
| schestowitz | One could, for example, also list concisely Microsoft offenses that are serious (accounting fraud, letters from dead people, bribery, etc) | Jul 17 15:10 |
| tacone | dunno how it is legally | Jul 17 15:11 |
| schestowitz | What law might it break? | Jul 17 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Freedom of expression | Jul 17 15:11 |
| tacone | trademark | Jul 17 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jul 17 15:11 |
| schestowitz | See #boycottnovell-social | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> How about if we said, "support the boycott of Novell... buy and wear the tshirt" | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Trademarks aside | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> We can get around that | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> fan t-shirts -P | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> haha | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> that would be nice | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Shall we do it? | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> well, I'm saying that we shouldn't | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> I'm not* | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> but would other people think about this | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> maybe a poll | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> to see who is really interested | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> but what would* | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <trmanco> ;) | Jul 17 15:12 |
| desu | o.o | Jul 17 15:12 |
| desu | there's a -social? o.o | Jul 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, come join | Jul 17 15:12 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jul 17 15:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @mozhacks: Want to learn what makes JS in Firefox 3.5 fast? We have an excellent technical overview up on hacks: http://bit.ly/35trace | Jul 17 15:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Out and about I use #3G mobile #broadband on my beloved #eeepc (#Ubuntu). Now I can share it at home too: http://fsmsh.com/3179. Thanks Alan | Jul 17 15:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft CEO Admits That Vista 7 is Just Vapourware, Opera Complaints About It http://ping.fm/d8S8f | Jul 17 15:26 | |
| desu | "Languages like Java compile to machine language, which requires almost no state tracking overhead." <--- i thought java compiled to byte code...? O_o | Jul 17 15:28 |
| desu | (from http://bit.ly/35trace, trmanco's link) | Jul 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | desu: yes, but CPUs cant run bytecode | Jul 17 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and java doesnt use a bytecode interpreter | Jul 17 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | it compiles the bytecode to the native machine code | Jul 17 15:33 |
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| desu | o.o | Jul 17 15:33 |
| fewa | all languages compile to machine language | Jul 17 15:33 |
| fewa | as that is the only way to run the program | Jul 17 15:34 |
| fewa | it only matters how they get there | Jul 17 15:34 |
| fewa | and how good the process and the resultant code is | Jul 17 15:34 |
| tacone | from the author of "I eat your FUD": learn to program http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=493 | Jul 17 15:37 |
| desu | D: | Jul 17 15:38 |
| desu | i ran one of the tests at that link ,and it made my firefox unresponsive D: | Jul 17 15:39 |
| trmanco | FF 3.5? | Jul 17 15:41 |
| trmanco | I actually ran them all | Jul 17 15:41 |
| trmanco | no problem whatsoever | Jul 17 15:41 |
| desu | FF 3.0 D: | Jul 17 15:44 |
| desu | it ate my memory like a mofo D: | Jul 17 15:44 |
| desu | and my entire system became unresponsive D: | Jul 17 15:45 |
| desu | (for a while) | Jul 17 15:45 |
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| trmanco | lol | Jul 17 15:56 |
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| trmanco | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/17/a-mono-success-story/ | Jul 17 16:09 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jul 17 16:09 |
| trmanco | has anybody seen that? | Jul 17 16:10 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | "|Not-mono: Not best-of-breed" | Jul 17 16:11 |
| fewa | lol | Jul 17 16:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] sleep at 7am, phone job interview at 1:30pm.aieeee. survived. now a zombie. | Jul 17 16:16 | |
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| desu | i lol'd | Jul 17 16:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] bbc news quoted my blog on #wikipedia and the #npg http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8156268.stm | Jul 17 16:29 | |
| Omar87 | Hello there. :) | Jul 17 16:35 |
| desu | hi | Jul 17 16:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] phone int earlier went well enough to have face-to-face int Monday morning! \o/ | Jul 17 17:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "hey you! stop having fun!" http://is.gd/1CkyP | Jul 17 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | Memeber only... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009071705171459 | Jul 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | members only about ODF FUD | Jul 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Wow, this is weird | Jul 17 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt know groklaw had memebers only posts | Jul 17 17:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] if you put your photos on facebook, they reserve the right to use them in singles ads http://is.gd/1CkIt | Jul 17 17:19 | |
| Omar87 | LOL! http://www.linuxkungfu.org/images/fun/geek/project.jpg | Jul 17 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | old =P | Jul 17 17:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] LOL! http://tinyurl.com/pae3z | Jul 17 17:25 | |
| Omar87 | Yeah, probably, I just found it on StumbleUpon. :) | Jul 17 17:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/sysadmin.jpg | Jul 17 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Classic | Jul 17 17:29 |
| schestowitz | [Omar's link] | Jul 17 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: if you post NSFW links here, then we've got a problem | Jul 17 17:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GPL and Stallman FUD Now Arriving from the Freedom-apathetic or Freedom-hostile http://ping.fm/K7I8D | Jul 17 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | "Apparently FOSS got a mention in the high technology portion of the | Jul 17 17:45 |
| schestowitz | economic stimulus bill. In health care, getting a top to bottom FOSS | Jul 17 17:45 |
| schestowitz | stack will be an important step in getting health IT back to a safe | Jul 17 17:45 |
| schestowitz | condition. " | Jul 17 17:45 |
| Omar87 | Diablo: Yes, please don't post that again. Thank you. | Jul 17 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft AstroTurf in action http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/17/vista-7-is-vaporware-admission/#comments | Jul 17 17:57 |
| schestowitz | See who is in there: | Jul 17 17:57 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/14/paid-microsoft-astroturfer-wong/ | Jul 17 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft TEs.... | Jul 17 17:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Protect Your Laptop Data From Everyone, Even Yourself http://ping.fm/66QxF | Jul 17 18:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yes, I wrote about it this morning, @sagarun http://bit.ly/14wScV | Jul 17 18:05 | |
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| fewa | how do you become a member of groklaw? | Jul 17 18:07 |
| wallclimber | fewa, you can't anymore. Groklaw membership has been disables for new accounts | Jul 17 18:07 |
| wallclimber | *disabled* | Jul 17 18:07 |
| fewa | well what type of system was it? | Jul 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Girl, 9, whose mother died of skin cancer is refused sun-block at school 'for health and safety reasons' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1198353/Girl-9-mother-died-skin-cancer-refused-sun-block-school-health-safety-reasons.html | Jul 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: to avoid trolling? | Jul 17 18:08 |
| wallclimber | yes, partly | Jul 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe CMS error? | Jul 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | These were some | Jul 17 18:09 |
| wallclimber | i think pj just wanted to get the site cleaned up and slow down the trolls a bit | Jul 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: we discussed here the idea of a Grokgear-like thing | Jul 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | It would work against us | Jul 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | The perception that the site is run to sell stuff | Jul 17 18:10 |
| wallclimber | yes, i also considered that | Jul 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: well, maybe they land on BN then | Jul 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/17/vista-7-is-vaporware-admission/#comments | Jul 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft employees, nothing less | Jul 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: people uses the Google ads against us too | Jul 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Just ANYTHING to descredit | Jul 17 18:11 |
| wallclimber | the last two BN articles i just read were very good | Jul 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | The trolls don't like them | Jul 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | So I know they are good, thanks ;-) | Jul 17 18:11 |
| wallclimber | somebody will always find ways to discredit sites they don't like | Jul 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: we should not help them | Jul 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Which is why the idea of revenue is out of the Q for now | Jul 17 18:12 |
| wallclimber | i'm not sure it's always a good idea to let them stop you from doing what needs doing - if you need sources of help, | Jul 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | There was a stage when Shane's hosting bills were exceeded slightly (maybe $20 per month) by Google ads | Jul 17 18:12 |
| wallclimber | if it's done right, it could give people that LIKE the site a way to help | Jul 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | He used that money to make Linux Live USBs for the schools where he works | Jul 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I think of just ignoring more of the trolls | Jul 17 18:13 |
| wallclimber | you might be surprised that more people like BN than don't - the ones that don't are just noisier | Jul 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Not just the vilest ones | Jul 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | But also trolls like Schliezinger | Jul 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | [need to look up spelling] | Jul 17 18:14 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I know. | Jul 17 18:14 |
| schestowitz | What's the point visiting a site you hate if you don't leave a mark? | Jul 17 18:14 |
| wallclimber | i think trolls should be commented on, always. a well-placed clearly-worded comment can be helpful to any new readers | Jul 17 18:14 |
| schestowitz | I.e. 'noise' as you put it? | Jul 17 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Commented on how? | Jul 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Elaborate please | Jul 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | If I put a disclaimeer as I did they hope mad, shout and curse | Jul 17 18:15 |
| wallclimber | but since trolls will only keep repeating the same stuff over and over again, it isn't good to engage them in extended debates | Jul 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | disclaimer showing that they break Godwin's law for example | Jul 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: some are paid | Jul 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Like Wong | Jul 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | So he's paid to ping-ping | Jul 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | he has time to write more | Jul 17 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I won't try to beat people on MS payroll | Jul 17 18:16 |
| schestowitz | In debates that is | Jul 17 18:16 |
| wallclimber | lol...yes, maybe put a short tutorial on the home page on "How to Spot a Troll" :) | Jul 17 18:16 |
| schestowitz | It's like court motions | Jul 17 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Those withdeeper pockets 'win' | Jul 17 18:16 |
| schestowitz | They kust bankrupt the other side with lawyer feees | Jul 17 18:16 |
| schestowitz | *just | Jul 17 18:16 |
| wallclimber | so, BN needs pockets... | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I could adds text benath comemnt box | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Like Groklaw does | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Something like "please do not feed trolls" | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Or "be polite" | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Although it would be spurious | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: no, we need no pockets | Jul 17 18:17 |
| wallclimber | but if people aren't good at spotting trolls they won't know if they are feeding them | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | We need mouths | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | We need people to counter the spin from the trolls | Jul 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Or wiki editors | Jul 17 18:17 |
| wallclimber | like noisy little old ladies??? :D | Jul 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | The wiki is still messy deeper inside | Jul 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a massive project | Jul 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Esp. building indexes | Jul 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "Visa claims teen spent $23,148,855,308,184,500.00 on prepaid credit card" http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/14/visa-claims-teen-spe.html | Jul 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Nice. | Jul 17 18:18 |
| wallclimber | i wish i knew how to help with that, but i'm clueless with web stuff...most of my work is in print materials | Jul 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I'd need to do that exhibit | Jul 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | The trolls slowed me down so much | Jul 17 18:19 |
| wallclimber | which one? | Jul 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Got sleep at 7am | Jul 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | "bambi" | Jul 17 18:19 |
| wallclimber | I sent two yesterday, did you get them? | Jul 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Aye | Jul 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I'm catching up with news | Jul 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | We had like 300-400 comments yesterday | Jul 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Just keeping up with them takes hours | Jul 17 18:20 |
| wallclimber | yes, i saw | Jul 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | They are not one-liners | Jul 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Some people spend their career writitng comments | Jul 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | While claiming to be engineers for ACCESS (turns out its not even a FOSS coder) | Jul 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing is, I don't think he ever wrote FOSS | Jul 17 18:20 |
| wallclimber | maybe, instead of allowing comments, invite people to blog about the subject themselves? | Jul 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | He coded for Apple until he managed | Jul 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Apple=non-Free sw | Jul 17 18:21 |
| wallclimber | on their own blogs, of course | Jul 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I did, sort of | Jul 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Some people contribute articles | Jul 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | mono-nono was started by a regular guy from BN IRC | Jul 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | tacone and trmanco blog about the issues too | Jul 17 18:21 |
| wallclimber | mono-nono is a very nice blog | Jul 17 18:21 |
| tacone | mono nono is very very good. | Jul 17 18:22 |
| wallclimber | i'd love to blog, but i think folks would just laugh at me | Jul 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Some of the antitrust exhibis I use from Jason | Jul 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | He went through many of them | Jul 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | As did another guy | Jul 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Smoking gun exploration | Jul 17 18:22 |
| tacone | oh well, I'm a troll now :) | Jul 17 18:22 |
| tacone | they say. | Jul 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | And categorisation | Jul 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I know 3 people who did this | Jul 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Some from Groklaw | Jul 17 18:23 |
| tacone | rick spencer says so, at least :) | Jul 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no, it means they can't counter you | Jul 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | So they label you | Jul 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | See Jason on "knives come out" | Jul 17 18:23 |
| tacone | not sure he was twitting about me, but almost :) | Jul 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Troll definition: posting to disrupt | Jul 17 18:23 |
| tacone | gotta go | Jul 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Do you bother them in their blogs? | Jul 17 18:24 |
| tacone | bye | Jul 17 18:24 |
| tacone | no | Jul 17 18:24 |
| schestowitz | If not, then it's expression, not trolling | Jul 17 18:24 |
| wallclimber | define "bother" | Jul 17 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Flame/relentlessly criticise | Jul 17 18:24 |
| wallclimber | it seems anything logical bothers trolls | Jul 17 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Basically post to abuse and annoy | Jul 17 18:24 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 17 18:24 |
| schestowitz | See Wikipedia on troll_(Internet) | Jul 17 18:24 |
| schestowitz | They have good refined definitions there | Jul 17 18:25 |
| wallclimber | (sometimes you take me too seriously) | Jul 17 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Consensual ones | Jul 17 18:25 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 17 18:25 |
| schestowitz | No-one take oneself seriously | Jul 17 18:25 |
| schestowitz | And people always underestimate themselves | Jul 17 18:25 |
| schestowitz | eExcerpt "Lefty" | Jul 17 18:25 |
| wallclimber | I shouldn't tease about trolls, i know they are tiring | Jul 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Megalomaniac | Jul 17 18:26 |
| wallclimber | lefty is a mess | Jul 17 18:26 |
| wallclimber | creepy | Jul 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Excuse Me, but Your RFID Is Showing http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Excuse-Me-but-Your-RFID-Is-Showing-67595.html?wlc=1247851515 | Jul 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I worry about him | Jul 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | He embarrasses himself | Jul 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | And he's doing no work | Jul 17 18:27 |
| schestowitz | He's too obsessed. His testosterone took over his body | Jul 17 18:27 |
| schestowitz | it's like a guy who found booze and stopped going to work, instead cursing people all day | Jul 17 18:27 |
| wallclimber | yes, it's sad | Jul 17 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Sooner or later he'll be dumped for his lost of reputation | Jul 17 18:27 |
| schestowitz | That page alone is abysmal for him | Jul 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | ~350 comments | Jul 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | King Lefty laughs at the world... at "chimp" and at Roy the idiot.. | Jul 17 18:28 |
| wallclimber | i wonder how much pressure is put on the paid trolls to perform... | Jul 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | I don't mind him | Jul 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | He can ruins himsef... knock himself out | Jul 17 18:29 |
| wallclimber | i picture them chained to their desks with ballmer pounding on the door every hour | Jul 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I stopped reading his comment long ago | Jul 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | [maybe a bad idea in retrospect cause he can libel me without challenge][ | Jul 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: naaa... no chains | Jul 17 18:30 |
| wallclimber | do you think a lot of this will calm down after october? | Jul 17 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Did you see Indian article about working conditions? | Jul 17 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft makes them digital slaves | Jul 17 18:30 |
| wallclimber | no...where? | Jul 17 18:30 |
| schestowitz | And sometimes do this via In nfosys | Jul 17 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I can find the articles if you are interested | Jul 17 18:31 |
| wallclimber | yes, please | Jul 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is inhernetly unethical | Jul 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jul 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Report: NSA surveillance program too secret for its own good http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/nsa-program-too-secret.ars | Jul 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | In 5 minutes... | Jul 17 18:31 |
| *schestowitz catches up with politcal nonsense | Jul 17 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | Judge is considering removing the Fair Use defense from the province of the jury in SONY v. Tenenbaum < http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009/07/judge-is-considering-removing-fair-use.html > <------------another rogue industry | Jul 17 18:32 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jul 17 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Got around to it: http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/19365.asp | Jul 17 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "Wipro Microsoft alliance is a shame for all Indians – alliance or slavery? [..] The alliance uses Microsoft technologies instead of challenging Gates in his own game. Wipro is just a servant of Microsoft facilitating Indian cyber slavery under the American corporate banners." | Jul 17 18:35 |
| wallclimber | thanks! off to read... | Jul 17 18:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #NPG and #Wikimedia trying to "find a compromise regarding the images in question, and we've entered good faith discussions with them."-erik | Jul 17 18:35 | |
| schestowitz | Many other companies do the same | Jul 17 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Nike for example. | Jul 17 18:35 |
| schestowitz | But they have so much power over the media that they can keep the public "under control" even if boycotts start | Jul 17 18:36 |
| schestowitz | The PR industry is a massive $1tr/annum industry in the US alone | Jul 17 18:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] LOL! Dilbert Daily Strip: 2009-07-17: http://bit.ly/16Rgpe | Jul 17 18:38 | |
| wallclimber | interesting article on india... | Jul 17 18:40 |
| wallclimber | btw, have you seen this? http://www.click2try.com/ | Jul 17 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I heard of it | Jul 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Didn't try it | Jul 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | They help us | Jul 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Eeeek. "click2try™ Unveils openSUSE 11.1 in Open Source Catalog" | Jul 17 18:41 |
| wallclimber | yes that's what i noticed too | Jul 17 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hopefully no mono test drives coming | Jul 17 18:41 |
| wallclimber | i looked for moonlight but didn't see it, the site actually looks like a clever idea | Jul 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | News is fortunately at a bit of a sgtandstill | Jul 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | So I hadn't missed as much as I worried | Jul 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | That combined with a break didn't do much harm | Jul 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Last year there was more going in the news | Jul 17 18:42 |
| finalzone | you can tell we have reached "They fight you" stag when trolls gang up altogether | Jul 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Companies not inn "brace" mode AND more journalists | Jul 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 17 18:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: hey | Jul 17 18:43 |
| trmanco | http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2009/1925 | Jul 17 18:43 |
| wallclimber | speaking of standstills, i need to get back to work | Jul 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for supporting us there, among all the very noisy trolls | Jul 17 18:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | what do you think the most damning evidence is? | Jul 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | The trolls also apply noise in the form of comment gaming | Jul 17 18:43 |
| wallclimber | :) I am a proud noisy person :) | Jul 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Going through all the pages and do the karma-faming mod-bombing game | Jul 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Regular readers don't bother | Jul 17 18:44 |
| wallclimber | gotta go...phone's ringing, dog's barking,,,uge | Jul 17 18:44 |
| schestowitz | BTW, that article about MS memo on Linux makrte threat got over 5000 views | Jul 17 18:44 |
| finalzone | no problem schetowitz. It is amusing to see the voting system manipulated in trolls favours | Jul 17 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 17 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | All people who 'dare' to support the site are massively modded down | Jul 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | This might make people wonder whose site it is :-D | Jul 17 18:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: what site? | Jul 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | All tilted by Microsoft employees et al | Jul 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: BN | Jul 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Massively abused by hater ATM | Jul 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | *ters | Jul 17 18:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 17 18:45 |
| finalzone | truth is a cancer in their mind vision | Jul 17 18:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] My Wikimedia blog: NPG-WMF talks are in progress. What would you like to see from them? http://is.gd/1Coam | Jul 17 18:46 | |
| finalzone | I keep reading these news because it informed me as designer | Jul 17 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I worry for their feelings | Jul 17 18:46 |
| schestowitz | [not really] :-p | Jul 17 18:46 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: whats the most damning evidence that microsoft sucks that you've linked to yet? | Jul 17 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Suck? | Jul 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | or is criminal? | Jul 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Different things | Jul 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Products and ethics | Jul 17 18:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | let me try again | Jul 17 18:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | what external link needs publicized the most? | Jul 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Use this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/08/ms-sins-and-offences/ | Jul 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | All true, needs the references inserted | Jul 17 18:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said external link =P | Jul 17 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Use groklaw litigation (MS) | Jul 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653 | Jul 17 18:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | hmm, I need something I can use as a weapon thats more mainstreamy | Jul 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | use "lettters from dead people" | Jul 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | many articles on that | Jul 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Or Abramoff/MS corruption | Jul 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs Caves Against Gripes Site; Money Doesn't Buy Bogus Trademark Lawsuit Wins http://techdirt.com/articles/20090717/0321105581.shtml | Jul 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | "Back in April, we wrote about the odd decision by massive Goldman Sachs to threaten legal action against a gripes/conspiracy site called GoldmanSachs666.com. " | Jul 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Back in April, we wrote about the odd decision by massive Goldman Sachs to threaten legal action against a gripes/conspiracy site called GoldmanSachs666.com. | Jul 17 18:54 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/07/11/goldman-sachs-bubbles/ | Jul 17 18:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @cleomorgause: Support IE6 Must Die, add a twibbon to your avatar now! - http://twibbon.com/join/IE6-Must-Die | Jul 17 18:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Only in a society obssessed with lawyers: Mary Kay Sues Yahoo For Inserting Ad Links In Emails http://ping.fm/1r50N | Jul 17 18:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Reading eGPL, the license with certain users are excluded for political reasons, such as lobbying for software patents: http://egpl.info | Jul 17 18:58 | |
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| fewa | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9039058/Excel_2007_flunks_some_math_problems put http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/08/ms-sins-and-offences/ in wiki | Jul 17 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Will do | Jul 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Holdf on. | Jul 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | We also have | Jul 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/microsoft-critique-resources/ | Jul 17 19:02 |
| fewa | well i dont feel like digging | Jul 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Done. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Microsoft_Sins | Jul 17 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Please extend if you can. | Jul 17 19:06 |
| fewa | dang | Jul 17 19:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @michaelnolan FTW: There is a local restaurant that makes Krispy Kreme milkshakes. Pretty sure my diet is over. | Jul 17 19:11 | |
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| schestowitz | "She scored Twitter mentions from Digg executives, along with other "tweets and blog posts" that described Wordnik as "'an ongoing project,' adopting the language the P.R. team had decided on. ... None of the coverage was in print, and most wasn't by professional journalists."" http://www.prwatch.org/node/8463 | Jul 17 19:20 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8468 < CMD's Wendell Potter Interviewed by Amy Goodman > | Jul 17 19:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Hmm, interesting. http://tinyurl.com/luxy2j | Jul 17 19:33 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: What wiki engine did you use in your website? | Jul 17 19:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: MediaWiki? | Jul 17 19:36 |
| fewa | schestowitz, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite | Jul 17 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Jul 17 19:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun shareholders approve acquisition by Oracle http://ping.fm/8VqlM Better than nothing, no? | Jul 17 19:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] 300.000 software patents pool to recreate a level playing field for writing software on a mobile phone?: http://bit.ly/xQgBL | Jul 17 20:03 | |
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| schestowitz | MS sues ringtone firm over smut-punting IM spam scam http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/17/ms_spim_lawsuit/ | Jul 17 20:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm going to file a complain to the FTC about Microsoft AstroTurfing (several TE employees hitting our site constantly) | Jul 17 20:39 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 17 20:47 |
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| sfj | So Roy, are you going to bubble mr Wong to the FTC? | Jul 17 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Who is asking? | Jul 17 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | [I just need to verify as we've had Microsoft/Mono folks coming here to pretext/bait] | Jul 17 22:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: man, I wish people would use java more | Jul 17 22:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | to finally put the final nail in mono's coffin | Jul 17 22:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, mono/.net | Jul 17 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | SaaS is a bigger problem to them | Jul 17 22:20 |
| schestowitz | They try to advance ASP | Jul 17 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Novell helps them | Jul 17 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Their threat are the Ps (Python, PHP, Perl, etc.) and some high-level stuff | Jul 17 22:20 |
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| _Goblin | hi all. | Jul 17 22:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: saas? | Jul 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Server sie | Jul 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | *de | Jul 17 22:29 |
| trmanco | http://mether.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/banshee-and-f-spot-to-depend-on-moonlight/ | Jul 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Bartzmer is having an affair with Ballmer: http://kara.allthingsd.com/20090716/yahoo-search-ad-deal-with-microsoft-down-to-the-short-strokes-but-caution-also-advised/ | Jul 17 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/7/17/4257914.html | Jul 17 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Just copies the whole item | Jul 17 22:46 |
| trmanco | why are the most popular sites so slow these days... ugh | Jul 17 22:52 |
| trmanco | stupid ads | Jul 17 22:52 |
| trmanco | they break everything :-P | Jul 17 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | US Video Game Revenue Down 31% http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/17/us-video-game-revenue-down-31 | Jul 17 22:56 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: adblock | Jul 17 22:56 |
| schestowitz | The bigger the sites, the more xss | Jul 17 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I mean, nowscript | Jul 17 22:56 |
| schestowitz | without the w ^_^ | Jul 17 22:56 |
| trmanco | :-P | Jul 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Privacy Commissioner Scolds Facebook, Sets Deadline http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/16/privacy-commissioner-scolds-facebook-sets-deadline | Jul 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | About time | Jul 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | That site is posion | Jul 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | But Google wanted to take a similar route | Jul 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Use profiles | Jul 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Mono is trying to spread: GNOME-Do Adds Docklets to App Launching Bar < http://lifehacker.com/5315647/gnome+do-adds-docklets-to-app-launching-bar > | Jul 17 23:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Reported to the FTC for AstroTurf Marketing http://ping.fm/rsTTW | Jul 17 23:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Google profits climb 19% amid 'difficult environment'" < http://bit.ly/aXmNe > Next week Microsoft will report sharp fall. | Jul 17 23:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] como raio se mada uma dm? | Jul 17 23:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @pndc @davidgerard Yes, but Krispy Kreme is like eating 144pt pink Comic Sans. | Jul 17 23:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I got compliments... http://ping.fm/G4SnN | Jul 17 23:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #kindle books are not bought outright - it's a lending library that charges. http://is.gd/1CAi5 #amazonfail WHY would anyone buy a kindle? | Jul 17 23:15 | |
| schestowitz | See the comment s ^ last one from someone pretending to be a Linux guy | Jul 17 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=open_source_vs_proprietary_who_are_the_r&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Jul 17 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Nokia, dethroned – all hail the GM of mobile handsets < http://techczar.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/nokia-dethroned-all-hail-the-gm-of-mobile-handsets/ > | Jul 17 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Weird post: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4538.htm (The First Church of Linux ) | Jul 17 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Jason Hiner baits against Linux, as usual http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=878 | Jul 17 23:34 |
| schestowitz | At least he's very consistent, a Microsoft fan by admission | Jul 17 23:35 |
| wallclimber | I was just reading about KDE offering the Palm Pre folks the use of Amarok since apple cut them off of itunes | Jul 17 23:36 |
| wallclimber | what a nice thing to do | Jul 17 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Indeed | Jul 17 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I last saw this half an hour ago in LT | Jul 17 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I posted about it in the morning | Jul 17 23:37 |
| schestowitz | We'll do some more COmes in the weekend, I promise. The trolls flooding BN are wasting a lot of time | Jul 17 23:38 |
| schestowitz | They are effective at slowing down the site | Jul 17 23:38 |
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| wallclimber | well, if there are still some things that need transcribing let me know i can be doing them while we wait for the troll flood to slow down | Jul 17 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Windows just works. http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/988_signs.jpg | Jul 17 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I have a good series to do by mail | Jul 17 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Let me find short ones that are FUN :-) | Jul 17 23:40 |
| wallclimber | sounds good | Jul 17 23:40 |
| wallclimber | it's always fun | Jul 17 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Not much discussion in GL about important stuff: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090717043855128 | Jul 17 23:41 |
| schestowitz | See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4200302832154452778 | Jul 17 23:41 |
| wallclimber | everyone's just waiting | Jul 17 23:41 |
| wallclimber | waiting waiting | Jul 17 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Godo prelude to next exhibit | Jul 17 23:41 |
| wallclimber | ? | Jul 17 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Here is "Bill Gates, at at the original launch ceremony of Windows XP, reminiscences about the 'original PC' and forgets to give IBM a mention." http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/2009-exhibits/PX_9729.pdf | Jul 17 23:42 |
| schestowitz | But this is not one worth textifying | Jul 17 23:42 |
| schestowitz | There is a lot of "no-signal" material in Comes | Jul 17 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Let me good the fun one | Jul 17 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/px_2768.pdf | Jul 17 23:42 |
| schestowitz | "Screw Sun, cross-platform wil never work. Let's move on and steal the Java language" | Jul 17 23:43 |
| schestowitz | "That said, have we ever taken a look at how long it would take Microsoft to build a cross-platform Java that did work? Naturally, we would never do it, but it would give us some idea of how much time we have to work in killing Sun's Java". | Jul 17 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Someone's angry | Jul 17 23:43 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 17 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Let me just check if we don'\t already have it | Jul 17 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | http://mether.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/banshee-and-f-spot-to-depend-on-moonlight/ | Jul 17 23:43 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: it was mentioned once in IRC | Jul 17 23:44 |
| schestowitz | But we don't have the text of http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/px_2768.pdf | Jul 17 23:44 |
| schestowitz | It's quite a good one. Timely | Jul 17 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Not that Novell and MS fight Java with their .NET stuff | Jul 17 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Important to remind people how MS treats Java | Jul 17 23:44 |
| schestowitz | They invade Java conferences now | Jul 17 23:44 |
| wallclimber | got it :) | Jul 17 23:45 |
| wallclimber | MS apparently likes to invade conferences | Jul 17 23:46 |
| wallclimber | well, i just dropped in to see if anything new was happening, tomorrow i'm going to do some upgrading to my work computer (such fun!) | Jul 17 23:48 |
| wallclimber | need food now... | Jul 17 23:48 |
| wallclimber | later... :) | Jul 17 23:49 |
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