| schestowitz | Esp. when yuor sample changed | Jul 22 00:00 |
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| fewa | and its kinda even irrelevent | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | One month... Koders | Jul 22 00:00 |
| balzac | we'll have a pretty good idea when Microsoft does a nose-dive | Jul 22 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | no one knows, except me | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Next month./.. blooopp! Lots of CodePlex aded | Jul 22 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I know everything | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | So it's not comparoble | Jul 22 00:00 |
| fewa | the vast majority of code out there isnt licenced to anybody | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Miggy is coming to Morocco !!!!!!!!!!!1 | Jul 22 00:00 |
| fewa | it runs internally | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Go make him a gift | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | A CD with mono-nono | Jul 22 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : really ? | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | See his blog | Jul 22 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | when ? | Jul 22 00:00 |
| schestowitz | "MiggyTour" | Jul 22 00:00 |
| balzac | The GPL isn't dead, and perhaps it's not even dying. But that isn't the point. - Matt Assay | Jul 22 00:01 |
| balzac | oh ye of little faith | Jul 22 00:01 |
| balzac | tremble before the power of the GNU! | Jul 22 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Asay is not to be listened to on this | Jul 22 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | I wroe about it | Jul 22 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Got over 200 comments | Jul 22 00:01 |
| schestowitz | And FsDaily FP | Jul 22 00:01 |
| fewa | GPL prevents fragmentation | Jul 22 00:02 |
| balzac | sweet | Jul 22 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I am gonna meet him | Jul 22 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Let's hope RMS stays alive to see his system growing big on desktops too | Jul 22 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | if I have time | Jul 22 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: big day ont he 23rd | Jul 22 00:02 |
| schestowitz | After market close. | Jul 22 00:02 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: be polite | Jul 22 00:03 |
| schestowitz | He knows there are issue | Jul 22 00:03 |
| schestowitz | *ssues | Jul 22 00:03 |
| schestowitz | WHich discourage him | Jul 22 00:03 |
| schestowitz | July 23rd. Huge Microsoft drop (financially) | Jul 22 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Again in Oct. | Jul 22 00:03 |
| schestowitz | To conceal Ubuntu's JJ release | Jul 22 00:03 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I am gonna give some good ideas for the remaining bindings | Jul 22 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they should fork Mono | Jul 22 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Deviate from .NET | Jul 22 00:04 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Jul 22 00:04 |
| schestowitz | That ggoes back to BN's last year chats | Jul 22 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft now forbids it | Jul 22 00:04 |
| schestowitz | In the MCP | Jul 22 00:04 |
| _Hicham_ | or stay at ECMA specs only | Jul 22 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 22 00:04 |
| schestowitz | To keep MS in charge | Jul 22 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Makes you wonder about Vala.. | Jul 22 00:05 |
| _Hicham_ | yeah, why Vala and C# at the same time? | Jul 22 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Carla: Dear Firefox, You Have Non-Windows Users Too http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-17-029-35-SC-CY-SW | Jul 22 00:06 |
| schestowitz | She should say "dear Mozilla" | Jul 22 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://themacbookguru.blogspot.com/2009/07/day-2-starting-fire-and-burning-things.html | Jul 22 00:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Thanks, but its really easy to do! I've always said if anyone wants to submit articles and help I'd love to hear from people. | Jul 22 00:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst I think the reason why I enjoy the site is because I am basing it off honest held belief nothing more.I am sure there are 100's of.. | Jul 22 00:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst people doing the same thing as me. Cheers for the support though, it always gives me a boost! - Regards Goblin. | Jul 22 00:09 | |
| balzac | schestowitz: the game of competitive ego growth is a take-no-prisoners game | Jul 22 00:10 |
| balzac | Microsoft will keep flailing mightily against GNU as a brand | Jul 22 00:10 |
| balzac | It's time for people to recognize GNU as a brand which signifies freedom | Jul 22 00:11 |
| balzac | GNU RULES! | Jul 22 00:11 |
| balzac | Microsoft's strategy can be clearly observed here | Jul 22 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Canonical CTO: Adventures in Karmic < http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/18/adventures-in-karmic/ > | Jul 22 00:13 |
| balzac | they're asserting the MPL (Micro-sloth Pubic License) against the GNU GPL | Jul 22 00:13 |
| balzac | using the OSI as a kind of false mediator | Jul 22 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Yes... | Jul 22 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | OSI ain't happy | Jul 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Not the president | Jul 22 00:14 |
| balzac | and crawling the wretched mass of decaying corporation under the umbrella of "Open Source" | Jul 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Jul 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Well, we do what we can in BN to inform | Jul 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Comes also | Jul 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | To show how history repeats | Jul 22 00:14 |
| balzac | "we're open source too, MPL is great, GPL is going away because they're crazy radicals. BTW, we love Obama!" | Jul 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Opendoc->ODF | Jul 22 00:14 |
| balzac | yeah... | Jul 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Java->Mono | Jul 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | IBM->OSI | Jul 22 00:15 |
| schestowitz | OS/2->Linux (AstroTurfing) | Jul 22 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Netscape->Firefox | Jul 22 00:15 |
| schestowitz | ActiveX->SIlver Lie | Jul 22 00:15 |
| schestowitz | And so on.. | Jul 22 00:15 |
| balzac | I had an MS developer in my office | Jul 22 00:15 |
| balzac | he gave me a .exe to run on my Ubuntu machine | Jul 22 00:15 |
| balzac | he said he was making a panel in visual studio | Jul 22 00:16 |
| balzac | I was like "WTF is a panel" | Jul 22 00:16 |
| schestowitz | KDE panel? | Jul 22 00:16 |
| balzac | it's not something from any web standard | Jul 22 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Add->New Panel | Jul 22 00:16 |
| Balrog | balzac: .NET ? | Jul 22 00:16 |
| balzac | .net | Jul 22 00:16 |
| Balrog | ooo | Jul 22 00:16 |
| schestowitz | External panel... widgets.. lots of great stuff! | Jul 22 00:16 |
| balzac | He didn't know how to use an FTP client | Jul 22 00:17 |
| balzac | claimed to know PHP but didn't know a bit of php | Jul 22 00:17 |
| balzac | didn't know how to even find his own IIS server he just installed on a vista machine | Jul 22 00:17 |
| balzac | Microsoft creates a culture of helplessness | Jul 22 00:17 |
| balzac | clueless developers who aren't ready to be free-lancers | Jul 22 00:18 |
| balzac | some other MS dev who happens to know PHP told me she depended on "corporate" department to upload her files | Jul 22 00:18 |
| balzac | never used PHP herself | Jul 22 00:18 |
| balzac | wtf? | Jul 22 00:18 |
| balzac | I bet Microsoft's code mills are like China - they don't even let you have internet access | Jul 22 00:19 |
| balzac | they probably never even have a chance to learn anything other than Microsoft exists | Jul 22 00:19 |
| balzac | they're trapped in the "matrix" | Jul 22 00:19 |
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| balzac | Uhoh, I shouldn't admit I'm considering any developers from India | Jul 22 00:21 |
| balzac | Microsoft will probably have their H1 visas yanked just to keep Disruptech from getting off the ground | Jul 22 00:21 |
| fewa | Shork therepy | Jul 22 00:22 |
| balzac | Microsoft's spies are everywhere and they know Disruptech is about to spark a chain reaction | Jul 22 00:22 |
| fewa | *shock therepy | Jul 22 00:22 |
| fewa | just like the dot com boom | Jul 22 00:22 |
| balzac | Microsoft shouldn't be in charge of immigration | Jul 22 00:23 |
| balzac | neither to get so many H1 visas granted, nor to have them revoked | Jul 22 00:23 |
| fewa | from what i hear H1 is a form of serfdom | Jul 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | balzac: careful. Microsoft employees read us | Jul 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Not just cj ;-) | Jul 22 00:23 |
| balzac | I better get incorporated and talk to the consulate about my potential hires | Jul 22 00:23 |
| fewa | as if you loose your job you have to leave the country | Jul 22 00:23 |
| fewa | (from what i ehar) | Jul 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | THey'll add you to The List ;-) Mwahaha! | Jul 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | "Taskforce" vs Disruptech ;-) | Jul 22 00:24 |
| _Hicham_ | The List of Top Ten Most Wanted | Jul 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Like with Wal-Mart (true story) | Jul 22 00:24 |
| balzac | I'm probably alread on the list | Jul 22 00:24 |
| _Hicham_ | Disruptech : The New Microsoft | Jul 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | They'll carve your name on Ballmer's fine furniture | Jul 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Gym sessions involve chair slinging and cereal | Jul 22 00:25 |
| _Hicham_ | as soon as Disruptech will have enough funds, it will begin patenting anything | Jul 22 00:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Your site is very special. I like BN and Slated. You are exposing the trolls. Great work, keep it up ;-) | Jul 22 00:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Also love your "Amiga Demoscine" articles. Gives me such a fuzzy feeling. | Jul 22 00:27 | |
| balzac | _Hicham_: I'll start by patenting your irc nick | Jul 22 00:27 |
| balzac | and I'll have freenode kline you! | Jul 22 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Ha !! | Jul 22 00:28 |
| schestowitz | That'll show him | Jul 22 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Trademark the underscore | Jul 22 00:28 |
| fewa | balzac, sorry i have already patented "funny", you are infringing on my patent, further abuse will be willful infringment and is subject to treble damages | Jul 22 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Like some person (from Russia IIRC) trademark the smiley | Jul 22 00:28 |
| balzac | So you heard about Microsoft's GPL code contribution | Jul 22 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Reported in 2008 in the news | Jul 22 00:29 |
| schestowitz | *Trademarked the smiley | Jul 22 00:29 |
| schestowitz | fewa: "you stop on my thought" | Jul 22 00:29 |
| schestowitz | "You' steal' my rhyme" | Jul 22 00:29 |
| balzac | They "contributed" some kind of virtualization hook to the Linus Kernel for allowing GNU/Linux to run on Winblows | Jul 22 00:29 |
| schestowitz | "Your humour, this gentleman took my joke away and his it in the basement. He STOLE it" | Jul 22 00:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: You used WinUAE on Wine. I prefer native Linux UAE but not E-UAE because it misses some features (like full screen video). | Jul 22 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | /s/honour/humour/ | Jul 22 00:30 |
| balzac | fewa: even when you tried to inform me of an infringement, you infringed on patents yourself | Jul 22 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Or the other way around.. | Jul 22 00:30 |
| schestowitz | balz*: I own all you e's | Jul 22 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Please retract those | Jul 22 00:31 |
| fewa | balzac, i have cross licensing deals | Jul 22 00:31 |
| _Hicham_ | I own everything | Jul 22 00:31 |
| _Hicham_ | I took over the world | Jul 22 00:31 |
| balzac | I patented your momma's poontang | Jul 22 00:31 |
| balzac | and since you sprang from there, you're implicitly owned as well. | Jul 22 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Tee letter e is an intellectual ploppely | Jul 22 00:32 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : see ur level of discussion ? | Jul 22 00:32 |
| _Hicham_ | you think with ur ass | Jul 22 00:32 |
| schestowitz | balzac: no, that's a derivative | Jul 22 00:32 |
| schestowitz | See the licence | Jul 22 00:32 |
| schestowitz | OK, I'll do some Linux news | Jul 22 00:33 |
| schestowitz | \0/ | Jul 22 00:33 |
| schestowitz | To change the subject | Jul 22 00:33 |
| *schestowitz makes teas first | Jul 22 00:33 | |
| schestowitz | *tea | Jul 22 00:33 |
| _Hicham_ | because ur momma have been fucked by the whole us army u think that the whole world is like u ? | Jul 22 00:34 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahahahahaha | Jul 22 00:34 |
| _Hicham_ | little poor american | Jul 22 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Whao!!!1 | Jul 22 00:34 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: calm down | Jul 22 00:34 |
| schestowitz | You're harming BN | Jul 22 00:34 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I am not, I didn't start that | Jul 22 00:35 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a natural response | Jul 22 00:35 |
| _Hicham_ | some people have just mouthes like asses, they simply shit from their mouthes | Jul 22 00:36 |
| _Hicham_ | those are the people that harm BN | Jul 22 00:36 |
| _Hicham_ | have I ever started a fight? | Jul 22 00:36 |
| _Hicham_ | u know me very well schestowitz | Jul 22 00:36 |
| schestowitz | OK, let's keep it cool. | Jul 22 00:37 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : sorry, but some people drive me nut | Jul 22 00:40 |
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| _Hicham_ | wb Senior tacone1 | Jul 22 00:43 |
| _Hicham_ | thanks for the post | Jul 22 00:44 |
| tacone1 | ? | Jul 22 00:44 |
| tacone1 | ah, the solang one | Jul 22 00:44 |
| tacone1 | thanks to you | Jul 22 00:44 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone1 : I didn't think that it will be pushed that fast into fedora | Jul 22 00:44 |
| tacone1 | we need to advertise c++ apps, because you know, devs are so actracted by mono http://mono-nono.com/bbpress/topic/why-are-developers-so-actracted-by-mono | Jul 22 00:45 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: scream in #boycottnovell-social ;-) | Jul 22 00:45 |
| tacone1 | fedora was likely to suck it the second later. it's good it made it into ubuntu in 3 seconds as well, though | Jul 22 00:45 |
| schestowitz | balzac was the reason #boycottnovell-social was conceived | Jul 22 00:45 |
| schestowitz | He's not even there now | Jul 22 00:45 |
| tacone1 | ubuntu packaging was italian stuff | Jul 22 00:46 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac is just a usual american looking for money | Jul 22 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Living | Jul 22 00:46 |
| tacone1 | anybody has info to contribute to http://mono-nono.com/bbpress/topic/why-are-developers-so-actracted-by-mono ? | Jul 22 00:46 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone1 : I know him, warp10 is a really cool guy | Jul 22 00:46 |
| tacone1 | well it was dktranz | Jul 22 00:46 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yeah, I mentioned you easrlier | Jul 22 00:46 |
| schestowitz | I saw the forum announcement and your contributions | Jul 22 00:47 |
| schestowitz | tacone: McKenzie was here earlier | Jul 22 00:47 |
| tacone1 | yes, i mentioned it twice. linking the forums creation on BN may be good | Jul 22 00:47 |
| tacone1 | schestowitz: what did she say =? | Jul 22 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Nothing bad. | Jul 22 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Just chatting | Jul 22 00:47 |
| tacone1 | did she say we're sexists ? | Jul 22 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Not at all | Jul 22 00:47 |
| tacone1 | nice | Jul 22 00:47 |
| schestowitz | She comments around Bn sometimes | Jul 22 00:48 |
| tacone1 | she's getting on the mono people side for non political reasons | Jul 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jul 22 00:48 |
| tacone1 | nice she came here to chat with us too | Jul 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they do look for answers | Jul 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I am hopeful | Jul 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | It's not like Novell where Mono is STRATEGY and COMMITMENT | Jul 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't think the SUSE guys like Mono | Jul 22 00:49 |
| schestowitz | It's like separate worlds | Jul 22 00:49 |
| tacone1 | i still have to listen linux outlaws 102, where they talk with a FSF law center guy | Jul 22 00:49 |
| schestowitz | The SUSE/Linux engineers in Germany and then the .NET hipsters from Waltham | Jul 22 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Kuhn | Jul 22 00:49 |
| tacone1 | i don't think that every Mono guy likes Moonlight as well | Jul 22 00:49 |
| tacone1 | or OOXML | Jul 22 00:49 |
| schestowitz | I need to listen to it too | Jul 22 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Novell only has like... what? 50 mono devs? | Jul 22 00:50 |
| tacone1 | I should post about BN itself. you made services to the community that should be known | Jul 22 00:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Against Poverty Installfest Starts Shortly http://ping.fm/Ne7xL | Jul 22 00:53 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : fedora-devel is the cleanest channel that i ve seen till now | Jul 22 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Fedora kicked balzac | Jul 22 00:54 |
| schestowitz | He put a satirical picture there | Jul 22 00:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Format Magazine Publishes Professional Linux Wallpaper http://ping.fm/gd9nM | Jul 22 00:55 | |
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| _Hicham_ | well, I have never seen such a professional and friendly channel like that before | Jul 22 00:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Good night everyone. Going off to bed. Cooking for my brother to morrow, but will be back in my apartment tomorrow night. See you then ;-) | Jul 22 00:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Keep up the good work! Cheers | Jul 22 00:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell with GNU/Linux Works Great http://ping.fm/wXG8W | Jul 22 00:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista Failure Leads to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/qhoaq | Jul 22 01:00 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, I can see | Jul 22 01:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM Vice President on Life with GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/L5A9v | Jul 22 01:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Has the Most Drivers in the World http://ping.fm/eyR7V | Jul 22 01:07 | |
| Nice article on workplace training and educational dumping today. | Jul 22 01:08 | |
| The educational dumping is only reduced price, though. | Jul 22 01:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Grows Massive, Yet Light http://ping.fm/qn8Yh | Jul 22 01:09 | |
| LSU students spent more than half a million dollars for their program, which cheesed of Windows users more than me. | Jul 22 01:10 | |
| Basically, M$ got a lot of free advertising space and the ability to dump on students who cared to share with their family and neighbors. | Jul 22 01:10 | |
| I met one girl who boasted that she gave half her town the OOXML poisoned versions of M$ office. | Jul 22 01:11 | |
| My friends told me that they did not want new versions of software they already had. | Jul 22 01:12 | |
| All it was to them was a risk of breaking their computers. | Jul 22 01:12 | |
| just check out all the spam on the student logon page. paws.lsu.edu | Jul 22 01:14 | |
| M$, ATT and Verizon all get a front row seat. | Jul 22 01:15 | |
| schestowitz | Verizon too now?? | Jul 22 01:16 |
| see for yourself. | Jul 22 01:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Benchmark Software (PTS) Approaches Version 2 http://ping.fm/MREDG | Jul 22 01:18 | |
| you can also see how far removed from freedom their policies are here: | Jul 22 01:18 | |
| http://appl003.ocs.lsu.edu/ups.nsf/4d8b193f0753c7e48625714000672ba4/05399BF20467C9E286256CBF007D570B/$File/PS-107+_PS06.05_+Revised+05+04+09.pdf | Jul 22 01:18 | |
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| -> Use of the University’s computing resources and network capacity is a privilege, not a right. LSU | Jul 22 01:19 | |
| may limit access to and/or review and monitor its computing resources and the use of computing | Jul 22 01:19 | |
| resources, without notice to or authorization from user(s), for any reason including user(s) failure | Jul 22 01:19 | |
| to comply with applicable laws and/or University policies and directives. LSU may disclose | Jul 22 01:19 | |
| information pertaining to use of its computing resources to University administration, law | Jul 22 01:19 | |
| enforcement, investigating authorities, and others as LSU deems appropriate. By law, the | Jul 22 01:19 | |
| You have no privacy and can be removed at anytime. | Jul 22 01:19 | |
| nice of them to add that after the students paid for the network. | Jul 22 01:20 | |
| Thanks for the money, suckers. | Jul 22 01:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at Chromium on GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/IVy1Y | Jul 22 01:21 | |
| -> Accept full responsibility for any publication resulting from the use of computing | Jul 22 01:21 | |
| resources and/or publishing Webpages and similar resources, and ensure that all | Jul 22 01:21 | |
| copyrights and trademarks have been authorized for use. | Jul 22 01:21 | |
| Heaven forbid someone use the term Microsoft without a trademark disclaimer!!!! | Jul 22 01:22 | |
| Better that everyone use the free description, M$. | Jul 22 01:22 | |
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| schestowitz | Same with Adobe | Jul 22 01:23 |
| schestowitz | It's hardly enforced | Jul 22 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Unless you grow big | Jul 22 01:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of E-mail Applications for GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/EUgqf | Jul 22 01:24 | |
| Network use policies like that are a throwback to 1970's era computer use policies. Open Spectrum can not come soon enough. | Jul 22 01:24 | |
| ATT and palls would love to saddle the whole world with obnoxious terms like that. | Jul 22 01:25 | |
| schestowitz | Open specwhat? | Jul 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | With Microsoft MD in the FCC? | Jul 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | And remember they tested MS trasmitter radios | Jul 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | They failed. | Jul 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Twice. | Jul 22 01:25 |
| I see. | Jul 22 01:25 | |
| schestowitz | The FCC gave Microsoft a second chance | Jul 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | It was 'Zune' grade quality | Jul 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft blamed defects ont he shipping | Jul 22 01:26 |
| Open Specturm is something I've pointed to many times here. I hope you have read some of it. | Jul 22 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | "Always blame others.." | Jul 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | It's like Barak asking people not to blame the IDF for war crimes | Jul 22 01:26 |
| http://www.reed.com/OpenSpectrum/ | Jul 22 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoftt: blame drivers | Jul 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Blame Ballmer | Jul 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Just don't blame WIndows | Jul 22 01:26 |
| network freedom is where M$ and others are trying to destroy software freedom. | Jul 22 01:27 | |
| you don't have full software freedom on a non free network because your ability to share can be blocked. | Jul 22 01:27 | |
| _Hicham_ | Windows is great | Jul 22 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | proof is that Linux is based on Windows | Jul 22 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahahahaha | Jul 22 01:28 |
| Public ownership of spectrum and it's proper allocation, as per David Reed and others, is one of the most important issues facing free software users. | Jul 22 01:28 | |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jul 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Parody meter wobbly | Jul 22 01:28 |
| It circumvents the last mile problem. | Jul 22 01:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Marvellous KDE Milestone: Millionth SVN Commit http://ping.fm/1524M | Jul 22 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | Spectrule | Jul 22 01:29 |
| network slavery | Jul 22 01:29 | |
| the cost is enormous | Jul 22 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | Not slavery, governnance | Jul 22 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Trust those adults from Comcast | Jul 22 01:30 |
| schestowitz | They only throttle the 'evil' packets. ;-) | Jul 22 01:30 |
| Everytime you see someone spend $.25 for 140 characters of text, you see a small part of the cost of spectrum ownership. | Jul 22 01:30 | |
| and spectrum monopoly. | Jul 22 01:30 | |
| and monopolies they are. | Jul 22 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | Those nasty, vicious 'commie' packets | Jul 22 01:31 |
| like the bible. | Jul 22 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | WHat about it? | Jul 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Nice story BTW | Jul 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Figments of fictions brought together | Jul 22 01:31 |
| Comcast's P2P blocking nailed the bible. | Jul 22 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | Like hamlet | Jul 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Shakespeare did the same too | Jul 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jul 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | That... | Jul 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | 2008 or 2007 that was... | Jul 22 01:32 |
| people translating the bible and distributing it via P2P were some of the first to complain when Comcast blocked P2P. | Jul 22 01:32 | |
| schestowitz | Nice shot in the foot for Commiecast | Jul 22 01:32 |
| It is ongoing. | Jul 22 01:32 | |
| blocking of p2p will always block publications of the foot shooting kind. | Jul 22 01:32 | |
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| Like RMS says, it's a war against sharing. | Jul 22 01:33 | |
| People want to share. Software and network owners block it for their own selfish interests. | Jul 22 01:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Short Review of Mepis 8.0 http://ping.fm/2xGNc | Jul 22 01:34 | |
| schestowitz | Wel,, cable companies often do 'content' too | Jul 22 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Conflicting interests | Jul 22 01:34 |
| Open Spectrum calls for the complete delicensing of spectrum. Only proper protocols woudl be mandated. | Jul 22 01:34 | |
| there's no need to grant spectrum monopolies if people use late 20th century packet and frequency hopping. | Jul 22 01:35 | |
| the more people that come to play, the better the network behaves and scales. | Jul 22 01:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Ubuntu Derivative WattOS (GNU/Linux) http://ping.fm/juiEF | Jul 22 01:36 | |
| If we allow people to own that spectrum, everyone loses. | Jul 22 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | Airline business model | Jul 22 01:36 |
| freedom of press will vanish. | Jul 22 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | Profiteering by dicrimination | Jul 22 01:36 |
| it will be even worse than 19th century publishing and 20th century broadcast in it's centralization. | Jul 22 01:37 | |
| Look at China as the role model of non free networks enforcing tyranny. | Jul 22 01:37 | |
| schestowitz | Also end points (nodes) | Jul 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Filtering] | Jul 22 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | But why take the exremes? | Jul 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | I'll post 3 new examples of censorships tonight or tomorrow (depending on body clock) | Jul 22 01:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Applications Store is Coming (Now in Beta) http://ping.fm/aX0aR | Jul 22 01:40 | |
| is your wordpress password different from the wiki account? | Jul 22 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Unifying them would require something complicated and maybe plguins | Jul 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Like LDAP | Jul 22 01:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pardus Linux 2009 "One of the Finest Operating Systems out There!" http://ping.fm/WWU6k | Jul 22 01:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Organises New Event on Fog Computing http://ping.fm/2sKa4 | Jul 22 01:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kubuntu Jaunty (9.04) Examined http://ping.fm/nG7Ad | Jul 22 01:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Signs of Gains for Linux Phones http://ping.fm/uGhfl | Jul 22 02:01 | |
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| hmmm, something more complicated might work better than this, "Connection to Server Refused!" | Jul 22 02:15 | |
| Wordpress registration fail. | Jul 22 02:15 | |
| schestowitz | Server down | Jul 22 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Oh, it's back | Jul 22 02:18 |
| oiaohm | So you are having server fun schestowitz. | Jul 22 02:19 |
| schestowitz | ebooted 3 minutes ago | Jul 22 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe. | Jul 22 02:19 |
| :) | Jul 22 02:20 | |
| oiaohm | I am having custom debian installer disk making fun. | Jul 22 02:20 |
| oiaohm | So far I am on to my 4 redo. | Jul 22 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Each time I have missed a packages that will be need. | Jul 22 02:20 |
| Registration complete. Please check your e-mail. | Jul 22 02:21 | |
| schestowitz | I'm going to bed. News tomorrow... | Jul 22 02:22 |
| good night. | Jul 22 02:22 | |
| found the source of that nice quote. http://www.spectacle.org/1198/ms.html | Jul 22 02:22 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Root-Exploit-Vulnerability-in-Kernel-2.6.30 Hopefully this will cause a bit more focus on the complier. | Jul 22 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: bad, but interesting news | Jul 22 03:31 |
| oiaohm | Question is how many more flaws are being created that way. | Jul 22 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh and 2.6.30 and later are meant to be so amazing, and now this | Jul 22 03:33 |
| oiaohm | 2.6.30.2 has the don't use the defective complier feature. | Jul 22 03:40 |
| oiaohm | Since its complier caused the question is how much more is effected. | Jul 22 03:41 |
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| notzed | i've not been that impressed with linux lately. little things (like, 'usb') keep breaking for a while ever now and again | Jul 22 03:58 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah a bit worrying | Jul 22 03:58 |
| oiaohm | In compare Linux is not doing that much bad notzed | Jul 22 03:59 |
| oiaohm | Problem with complier caused defects is that they can effect every platform. | Jul 22 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I guess so | Jul 22 04:05 |
| oiaohm | gcc is ported to windows. | Jul 22 04:06 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Jul 22 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Linux guys have fixed the kernel if you update. | Jul 22 04:07 |
| notzed | yeah but who uses it to develop windows apps? | Jul 22 04:07 |
| oiaohm | In MS SFU for 1 notzed | Jul 22 04:07 |
| oiaohm | That shiped with vista. | Jul 22 04:08 |
| oiaohm | Not everything built for windows is MSVC. | Jul 22 04:09 |
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| oiaohm | It is the problem with closed source at least once it was found with open source you could rebuild avoiding flaw. | Jul 22 04:13 |
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| notzed | well, and apart from being able to work out what the problem was in the first place | Jul 22 04:17 |
| oiaohm | Also knowing what to look for. | Jul 22 04:18 |
| oiaohm | So you know what programs are effected. | Jul 22 04:18 |
| oiaohm | The I keep secrets method of MS has major disadvantages. | Jul 22 04:19 |
| sebsebseb | yep well Apple do closed source as well | Jul 22 04:20 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the i keep secrets method of apple has major advantages | Jul 22 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | apparently you can beat your chinese employees into suicide and get away with it | Jul 22 04:29 |
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| Diablo-D3 | okay Im going to bed | Jul 22 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | night all | Jul 22 04:30 |
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| Ah fraud in my home town, http://www.nola.com/elections/index.ssf/2009/07/phony_120k_purchase_order_alle.html | Jul 22 04:42 | |
| -> took a trip on the dime of a city vendor, hid the spiraling cost of the city's maligned crime-camera program and lied about his academic credentials, former New Orleans technology chief Anthony Jones was fired for allegedly fabricating a purchase order to buy nearly $120,000 in equipment from computer giant Dell Inc., city records show. | Jul 22 04:43 | |
| Nice one! | Jul 22 04:43 | |
| Gallimaufry | twitter- Oh wow. I just left there | Jul 22 04:43 |
| Gallimaufry | That is pretty big. Surprised we havent heard more about it. | Jul 22 04:43 |
| Gallimaufry | And he lied about his education creds. | Jul 22 04:44 |
| I think they just M$'d out the whole town. | Jul 22 04:44 | |
| Dell contracts and all. | Jul 22 04:44 | |
| Tell me about your trip to the see Sweaty B. | Jul 22 04:45 | |
| Was he extra sweaty in the God Awful heat of July? | Jul 22 04:45 | |
| Or were you there to have fun? | Jul 22 04:45 | |
| Gallimaufry | I lived there a few years back :P. No trips | Jul 22 04:46 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I left this message. Zatoichi From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Zatoichi (座頭市, Zatōichi?) is a fictional character featured in one of Japan's longest running series of films and a television series set in the Edo period. zatoichi in the comments is Lumpy. | Jul 22 05:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so he is back | Jul 22 05:05 |
| fewa | Solar eclipse! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmxlA0UveZQ | Jul 22 05:05 |
| fewa | Its just ending now | Jul 22 05:05 |
| fewa | the last 3 hours | Jul 22 05:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | nice to see | Jul 22 05:06 |
| Ah, I see. A trip would be nice but it's better to go when it's not blazing hot and overrun with softies -> Gallimaufry: I lived there a few years back . No trips | Jul 22 05:07 | |
| Gallimaufry | twitter- I left a few months after Katrina. I had to drop my vehicle off in NO and it was a mess still. It doesnt surprise me that some one would be able to fake their way into an office down there. | Jul 22 05:08 |
| or anywhere. | Jul 22 05:09 | |
| Gallimaufry | :P | Jul 22 05:09 |
| look how many offices have M$ on the desktop! | Jul 22 05:09 | |
| Gallimaufry | But once you spend a couple k on MS is when you get caught | Jul 22 05:09 |
| Gallimaufry | Some one has to pay for the downtime | Jul 22 05:09 |
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| fewa | people are spreading viruses on #twitter by tracking topics | Jul 22 05:24 |
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| M$ troll basically confesses to working for M$ http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1307015&cid=28778737 | Jul 22 07:02 | |
| not quite full disclosure, but I'm not going to spend the time and effort digging through his slop to find it. | Jul 22 07:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Launchpad Becomes Free Software http://ping.fm/RMMDX | Jul 22 08:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Turns 6 http://ping.fm/Zhmfo | Jul 22 08:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox Users Get Special Discount http://ping.fm/lwsqq | Jul 22 08:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Emmys Use Free Software http://ping.fm/YI2p0 | Jul 22 08:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GPL FUD Rising and Rebuttal Posted http://ping.fm/TQC8Q | Jul 22 08:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fog Computing and Lock-in Explained http://ping.fm/YvcfF | Jul 22 08:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Toolkit Union's ODFDOM 0.7 is Released http://ping.fm/y4nSS | Jul 22 08:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Filtering and Censorship with Proprietary Software http://ping.fm/Mkl1v | Jul 22 08:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Patents "Butt Hinge with Butt Straps" http://ping.fm/1pgyj Innovative company! | Jul 22 08:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Shuttle X27D PC Comes with GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/bIvIh | Jul 22 08:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Why electronics circuits should be protected by copyright: http://bit.ly/ZmOuW Free speech for ASIC designers! | Jul 22 08:32 | |
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| tailrecursion | Hey schestowitz, I was just curious what you use to manage all your links, you seem to be pretty efficient about finding relatively relevant resources | Jul 22 09:52 |
| schestowitz | I use Kate, the text editor | Jul 22 09:53 |
| tailrecursion | Hmm, interesting. thanks | Jul 22 09:54 |
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| trmanco | wow | Jul 22 09:57 |
| trmanco | chromium has now got real font rendering | Jul 22 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | It's almost like a real browser now | Jul 22 09:58 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jul 22 09:58 |
| trmanco | still missing extensions though :-P | Jul 22 09:58 |
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| trmanco | you can enable extension support but it's till not there yet | Jul 22 09:59 |
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| trmanco | it's not Friday yet | Jul 22 10:09 |
| trmanco | :> | Jul 22 10:09 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Dum-de-dum-dum... :) | Jul 22 10:10 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Nice Cartman, btw. ;) | Jul 22 10:12 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | trmanco: What's the latest discussion? I can't seem to make heads or tails of the latest chat log. | Jul 22 10:13 |
| trmanco | there is no discussion going on at the moment | Jul 22 10:14 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | This explains much. | Jul 22 10:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] :> ♫ http://blip.fm/~aecr5 | Jul 22 10:16 | |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Michael Mind? No way. | Jul 22 10:17 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jul 22 10:17 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | "Ride Like the Wind", right? | Jul 22 10:17 |
| trmanco | uh? | Jul 22 10:17 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I thought he remixed it. | Jul 22 10:18 |
| trmanco | I was listening to "Loves Gonna get you" | Jul 22 10:18 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I mean, it was Christopher Cross originally, but I swear there's a remix. | Jul 22 10:18 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Oh, not implying you weren't; just getting a handle on the artist. | Jul 22 10:18 |
| trmanco | ah | Jul 22 10:19 |
| trmanco | found it | Jul 22 10:19 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Yeah, trance artist, I thought so. | Jul 22 10:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Show Me Love (House 2008) - Michael Mind" ♫ http://blip.fm/~aecv2 | Jul 22 10:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Ride Like The Wind - Michael Mind" ♫ http://blip.fm/~aecvy | Jul 22 10:20 | |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Not necessarily trance, but definitely electronica. | Jul 22 10:20 |
| trmanco | oh, I know the music | Jul 22 10:20 |
| trmanco | maybe house :> | Jul 22 10:20 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I've known you five minutes, and you're already my freaking hero. :) | Jul 22 10:20 |
| trmanco | wow | Jul 22 10:21 |
| trmanco | you like trance/dance/house music? | Jul 22 10:21 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Not just for having that mix, but for having anything ELSE by him. :) | Jul 22 10:21 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Oh all the way. | Jul 22 10:21 |
| trmanco | wow :) | Jul 22 10:21 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I go in for Korsakoff sometimes, too, when I feel a tad hardcore. | Jul 22 10:21 |
| trmanco | CrazyJoeFriday, see this -> http://blip.fm/trmanco | Jul 22 10:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Microsoft Product Dies, Days Ahead of Very Disappointing Results http://ping.fm/glEEz | Jul 22 10:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft and Novell Love Microsoft’s Self-serving Linux Patch http://ping.fm/0ZbOf | Jul 22 10:22 | |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Guess I need to register so that I can give you props. | Jul 22 10:23 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I really detest excessive logins. I don't suppose there's some randomizer utility I can use for that? | Jul 22 10:24 |
| trmanco | ah, there might be, but I don't know of any | Jul 22 10:24 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Screw it, I just used my typical login. I don't really care if this gets compromised. | Jul 22 10:28 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I figure I know enough not to use my real identity anyways. :) | Jul 22 10:28 |
| trmanco | my favorite music for now is from Sidekick | Jul 22 10:29 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I suppose having multiple online identities kinda makes me Lucifer. XD | Jul 22 10:30 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Sidekick? | Jul 22 10:30 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I've heard this name. | Jul 22 10:30 |
| trmanco | Sidekick - Deep Fear | Jul 22 10:31 |
| trmanco | I'm not blipping because it's going to create spam in the channel | Jul 22 10:31 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | heh, I can track it down in YouTube just as easily. ;) | Jul 22 10:33 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | What length am I looking for, around six minutes? | Jul 22 10:34 |
| trmanco | yes | Jul 22 10:35 |
| trmanco | 6:03 | Jul 22 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Free Software and Google Bite Into Microsoft < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/22/saas-foss-bite-into-microsoft/ > | Jul 22 10:35 |
| trmanco | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-July/msg00015.html | Jul 22 10:36 |
| schestowitz | "Here's another netbook: | Jul 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8514830428.html?kc=rss | Jul 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | It's still limited with the x86 architecture, but is available with a | Jul 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Linux pre-installed. It's based on Puppy linux, which IIRC is clean." | Jul 22 10:38 |
| trmanco | puppy linux is cool and simple | Jul 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | :-) RMS stands up for it | Jul 22 10:39 |
| trmanco | but I like DSL better | Jul 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Wait for him to be accused of sexism now (vs Stormy) | Jul 22 10:39 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Sexism? Why? | Jul 22 10:39 |
| MinceR | because some idiot found a way of doing it | Jul 22 10:39 |
| MinceR | the argument is worthless, of course | Jul 22 10:39 |
| MinceR | he dared to joke about female virgins | Jul 22 10:40 |
| MinceR | that sexist now, you see | Jul 22 10:40 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Look, I'm the first to think he's gotten a bit loony, but he did a good thing in bringing about the GPL. | Jul 22 10:41 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | The heart of the matter, is that I can kinda understand why acts so... interesting. | Jul 22 10:42 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | *why he acts | Jul 22 10:42 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | He's staring down the barrel of partnerships on one side, legal departments on the other, all of which threaten the relevancy of a totally Free Software license. | Jul 22 10:43 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Not on a technical level, mind you; but Joe Sixpack doesn't care about the nuances of cyberlaw. | Jul 22 10:43 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | And if SCO proved anything, it's that trying to *force them* to care doesn't work, either. | Jul 22 10:44 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | So he's left the unenviable task of trying to persuade the public without actually venturing into any of those territories, which backs him into humor. | Jul 22 10:45 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I don't doubt that he'll find a way out of this; in the mean time, however, he's going to appear eccentric, and it's something we - as a community, as a whole - just have to accept. | Jul 22 10:45 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Do I think he tries to be offensive? No. Does he come across as weird when he's backed into a corner? Wouldn't you? Is this whole thing overblown? I don't doubt it. | Jul 22 10:47 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Sure got quiet awfully quick. I'll give you the links if you doubt my intentions. | Jul 22 10:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft, “Bambi”, and the “Alien OS” Riddle http://ping.fm/1937I | Jul 22 11:18 | |
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| _Hicham_ | hi schestowitz oiaohm | Jul 22 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Hi _Hicham_ | Jul 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Hi, _Hicham_, the saviour of his nation from digital colonialism | Jul 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow's the big day | Jul 22 11:26 |
| trmanco | big day? | Jul 22 11:26 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : what is the best way to get mono out of gnome in ur opinion ? | Jul 22 11:26 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what is gonna happen tomorrow ? | Jul 22 11:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ballmer will miss those moments tomorrow: http://ping.fm/BBL26 | Jul 22 11:27 | |
| oiaohm | Time _Hicham_ | Jul 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Tongue fetish. http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/10/ballmer_wideweb__470x331,0.jpg | Jul 22 11:27 |
| oiaohm | The cards to undermine mono are in play. | Jul 22 11:28 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : what r those cards ? | Jul 22 11:28 |
| oiaohm | vala to provide a language like C# but its native. | Jul 22 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Poor people, those who put their videos on MSN. http://paidcontent.org/article/419-microsofts-msn-to-officially-shut-down-user-generated-video-service-soa/ | Jul 22 11:28 |
| schestowitz | It's like MSN music with the DRM and all collapsing | Jul 22 11:28 |
| oiaohm | And google working on containment of native binaries so native binaries will provide equal secuirty to using a bytecode system. | Jul 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Those who put their video collection on Soapbox are screwed | Jul 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | The ILLUSION that Microsoft is too big to fail | Jul 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Or that it "will always be there" and "nobody gets fired for putting videos at Microsoft" | Jul 22 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Time is going to undermine all the so called advantages ,net has. | Jul 22 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Next is python and other scripting langauges getting as fast as .net anyhow. | Jul 22 11:30 |
| oiaohm | So removing the need for transport bytecode. | Jul 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: China iPhone man commits suicide < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/business/8162325.stm >. | Jul 22 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Can you see Mono living against all that _Hicham_ | Jul 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo posts fall in revenue < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/business/8162119.stm > | Jul 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow is Microsoft's turn | Jul 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Two dying companies due to inability to evolve | Jul 22 11:32 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | schestowitz: Make that at least three. | Jul 22 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Time is also a problem for MS server domination in small business. | Jul 22 11:32 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | schestowitz: AOL closed Hometown and Bebo. | Jul 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple was up | Jul 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | AOL too | Jul 22 11:32 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : we will soon start our company | Jul 22 11:32 |
| trmanco | bebo? | Jul 22 11:32 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Think it was Bebo. | Jul 22 11:32 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I could be wrong. | Jul 22 11:32 |
| trmanco | isn't that the multi online web messanger or something? | Jul 22 11:32 |
| trmanco | messenger* | Jul 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | They'll shoot the messenger | Jul 22 11:33 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | It was some cheap takeoff on ImageShack. | Jul 22 11:33 |
| oiaohm | IBM at one point was were MS is now. | Jul 22 11:33 |
| trmanco | oh no | Jul 22 11:33 |
| oiaohm | And IBM almosted ended up dead. | Jul 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: you depend on it? | Jul 22 11:33 |
| trmanco | confused with meebo | Jul 22 11:33 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, never | Jul 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | My Geocities site will go | Jul 22 11:33 |
| trmanco | no bebo, just use meebo for when I only have a browser | Jul 22 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Just similar names, like Beembo... | Jul 22 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Beembo Consulting, Inc. | Jul 22 11:34 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Geocities? Man, we had an unflattering name for them, especially considering the "Attack of the 50 Foot Ads" phase. | Jul 22 11:35 |
| trmanco | wow | Jul 22 11:35 |
| schestowitz | They had tower ads | Jul 22 11:35 |
| schestowitz | And audio and stuff | Jul 22 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Defacing people's sites | Jul 22 11:35 |
| trmanco | what, geocities? | Jul 22 11:35 |
| schestowitz | RINGG TUNES !! OMG OMG OMG! | Jul 22 11:35 |
| trmanco | wow, to throw everything in the garbage now uh | Jul 22 11:36 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Remember when they did the full-page pop-ups, WITH the tower ads AND banners all at once? | Jul 22 11:36 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_: do you agree with my assessment that time is against mono staying existing. | Jul 22 11:36 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : of course | Jul 22 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Python FTW ;-) | Jul 22 11:36 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : but things need to be speed up | Jul 22 11:36 |
| schestowitz | BN IRC logs are powered by Python. | Jul 22 11:36 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_:they are | Jul 22 11:37 |
| schestowitz | See daily links from yesterday | Jul 22 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Google employs the core of Python | Jul 22 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Sun tried Jython | Jul 22 11:37 |
| _Hicham_ | pyschestowitz : python bindings for libschestowitz | Jul 22 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Never went anywhere | Jul 22 11:37 |
| trmanco | lol | Jul 22 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Then MS guys make ironpython. | Jul 22 11:37 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Geocities. I'm crying real tears over their departure. See? Tear ---> ;..( | Jul 22 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Again going no where. | Jul 22 11:37 |
| schestowitz | ironpython -- any progress on that? | Jul 22 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Both loss pythons power feature. | Jul 22 11:38 |
| schestowitz | IronRuby is the only one people hear about. | Jul 22 11:38 |
| _Hicham_ | ironpython is supported in mono | Jul 22 11:38 |
| schestowitz | But noone supports Monoi | Jul 22 11:38 |
| oiaohm | The means to alter code and have alteration appear as you are doing it. | Jul 22 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Only like 30 projects | Jul 22 11:38 |
| schestowitz | In 9 years or so | Jul 22 11:38 |
| oiaohm | That is pythons power feature. | Jul 22 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Means to edit and run at exactly the same time. | Jul 22 11:39 |
| oiaohm | There are very few languages that can do that. | Jul 22 11:39 |
| oiaohm | It is really more important to focus on more common tech used between windows managers than mono. | Jul 22 11:41 |
| oiaohm | History of java tells the basic future of mono. | Jul 22 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Hype cycles? | Jul 22 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Basically schestowitz | Jul 22 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Java was meant to be the save all as well. | Jul 22 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Then Visual basic was ment to be the coder save all before that. | Jul 22 11:42 |
| oiaohm | We can bet in another 10 years we will have talked about another 2 languages that should have altered the world. | Jul 22 11:43 |
| oiaohm | And have faded away. | Jul 22 11:43 |
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| tacone | mono is still fighting for adoption | Jul 22 11:44 |
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| tacone | the whole anti-mono are evil and we're good is targeted to adoption by devs | Jul 22 11:44 |
| oiaohm | If mono/,net had legs there would have been adoption by now in large numbers. | Jul 22 11:45 |
| tacone | only novell and a 2-3 companies seem to use mono | Jul 22 11:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New: LyX made easy < http://ping.fm/cN073 > My favourite typesetting program. Give it a go. | Jul 22 11:45 | |
| oiaohm | I am sorry to have to say this but VB and Java had faster take up rates. | Jul 22 11:45 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | See, that's my sticking point there. I don't think Mono is evil as much as it is rife with stupidities and bureaucratic foul-ups. | Jul 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: even MS doesn't adopt .NET | Jul 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Vista doesn't use it | Jul 22 11:45 |
| oiaohm | .Net is going to be nothing more than a edge language. | Jul 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Very shameful secret that is.. | Jul 22 11:46 |
| tacone | gnome-do is perhaps the only mono free software project not born by a novell employee | Jul 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Dogfood eating no longer applies | Jul 22 11:46 |
| tacone | tell me another if you can | Jul 22 11:46 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Gnome-Do is Mono? | Jul 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also uses Flash | Jul 22 11:46 |
| trmanco | yes | Jul 22 11:46 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Dammit, now I need to pull packages. | Jul 22 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: was sandy at Novell before tomboy? | Jul 22 11:47 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I just thought it sounded cool, I didn't know Mono was involved. | Jul 22 11:47 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft still uses its old-fashioned MFC internally | Jul 22 11:47 |
| oiaohm | CrazyJoeFriday: mono is kinda bad. | Jul 22 11:47 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i have no idea about novell/tomboy relation | Jul 22 11:47 |
| oiaohm | .net was designed to interface with a windows designed system. | Jul 22 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Problem is everything else follows posix. | Jul 22 11:48 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | oiaohm: No doubt, though I feel it's more from idiotic handling than actual real evil. They're trying to adapt to Microsoft trying to ram .net down everyone's throats, and failing. | Jul 22 11:48 |
| oiaohm | So its very much a round peg in a square hole on every platform that is not windows. | Jul 22 11:48 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | oiaohm: Agreed. | Jul 22 11:49 |
| oiaohm | It is real evil. | Jul 22 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Main advantage to do this is that applications running on non windows platforms end up slower due to more complex wrappers. | Jul 22 11:50 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I disagree. If anything, .net is real evil. Mono is merely a foolish attempt to support it outside of its expected environment. | Jul 22 11:50 |
| oiaohm | MS tried doing exactly the same to Java. | Jul 22 11:50 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | If .net had any legs, Mono wouldn't even be necessary. | Jul 22 11:50 |
| oiaohm | MS knew exactly what they were upto with .net. | Jul 22 11:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Fazer o almoço! | Jul 22 11:51 | |
| trmanco | heh, that was fast | Jul 22 11:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhaEmWWWGeo | Jul 22 11:51 |
| oiaohm | MS created .net to solve a problem. | Jul 22 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie Window applications dependance on x86 processes. | Jul 22 11:52 |
| oiaohm | MS .Net failure of high uptake is putting MS future at risk. | Jul 22 11:53 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | schestowitz: That's bull. He needs his own chute, remotely actuated and all. | Jul 22 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.... I've never seen this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDSpP405O00 | Jul 22 11:53 |
| schestowitz | CrazyJoeFriday: yeah. | Jul 22 11:53 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | schestowitz: I honestly would've just let the butterfly land, then stomp its guts out. | Jul 22 11:55 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | oiaohm: Microsoft's failure to cope with reality is putting Microsoft's future at risk. They're still doing it with Hyper-V. | Jul 22 11:55 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | .net, Hyper-V, all that is just them struggling to hang on to market dominance. "Loss leader" doesn't hold a promising future. | Jul 22 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Hyper-V I can see that played on the hardware compadiblity line. | Jul 22 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Even that to server runners Hardware compadiblity means nothing. | Jul 22 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie you buy the hardware to match the OS. | Jul 22 12:00 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Really? It's just another thinly-veiled attempt to force Windows onto the public. | Jul 22 12:00 |
| Ng | they need a hypervisor in the OS because everyone else has one and vmware is making lots of money from windows not shipping with one | Jul 22 12:00 |
| Ng | surely it's no more or less than that? | Jul 22 12:00 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | There's more to it than that. | Jul 22 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel has two hypervisors. | Jul 22 12:01 |
| oiaohm | KVM and Xen already. | Jul 22 12:01 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | waitwaitwait | Jul 22 12:01 |
| Ng | oiaohm: Xen's hypervisor runs outside the kernel, but whatever ;) | Jul 22 12:01 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | We're talking about VMs here, right? Hardware neutrality? | Jul 22 12:02 |
| Ng | s/outside/underneath/ would be better wording I suppose | Jul 22 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Ng Xen depends on Linux kernel for base domian. | Jul 22 12:02 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | If Microsoft controls the Hypervisor, they can call it a legitimate "win". Every system, regardless of the Guest OS, is running a copy of Windows as the Host OS. This implies that they shipped a paid-for copy for EVERY SYSTEM ON THE MARKET. | Jul 22 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Just like hyper-v depends on windows. | Jul 22 12:02 |
| Ng | oiaohm: the dom0 for controlling the hypervisor, yes, but the hypervisor itself runs before the kernel | Jul 22 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Problem for MS is there Hyper-v is going to sux. | Jul 22 12:03 |
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| CrazyJoeFriday | oiaohm: We'd better hope so. BSA goons are no fun, particularly when they have a legit reason to question your legit hardware. | Jul 22 12:04 |
| oiaohm | tmem from orcale is designed to reduce memory overhead of hosted OS's. | Jul 22 12:04 |
| oiaohm | tmem both kvm and xen will support. | Jul 22 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Then memory packing ie KSM will be supported by kvm. | Jul 22 12:04 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Then certainly you know that Microsoft is breaking balls to get Linux to run best on *their* VM? | Jul 22 12:05 |
| oiaohm | No where near fast enough CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 12:05 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Control the system, control the market. It really *is* as simple as that. | Jul 22 12:05 |
| oiaohm | By the time they can run Linux. | Jul 22 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Linux running Linux is going to be insane. | Jul 22 12:05 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | ... | Jul 22 12:06 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | There are so many things wrong with that statement. | Jul 22 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Linux is allowed by vmware to match up memory blocks that are the same between vm and have they only allocated once. | Jul 22 12:06 |
| oiaohm | MS would have to buy patent from vmware to do that. | Jul 22 12:07 |
| oiaohm | And no way Vmware will sell it cheep to MS. | Jul 22 12:07 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | If history's proven anything, it's that Microsoft does whatever the hell they want. | Jul 22 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Wrong. | Jul 22 12:07 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I didn't say they never get caught. ;) | Jul 22 12:07 |
| oiaohm | History shows MS is a patent sueing target best friend. | Jul 22 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Sue them they will pay not fight. | Jul 22 12:08 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Exactly. How much do you figure the settlement will be? | Jul 22 12:08 |
| oiaohm | Vmware. | Jul 22 12:08 |
| oiaohm | About half MS current value. | Jul 22 12:09 |
| oiaohm | More than what MS can pay. | Jul 22 12:09 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | ...and this is before or after Legal gets through with that...? | Jul 22 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Before. | Jul 22 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Vmware has a lot of rock solid patents. | Jul 22 12:09 |
| oiaohm | MS has no patent agreement with them. | Jul 22 12:10 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Likewise, Microsoft has a lot of incredibly shaky patents. You think they won't leverage those at some point? | Jul 22 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Problem here MS with right to use VMware patents can destroy vmware. | Jul 22 12:11 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I think you're implying that Microsoft is just going to knuckle under and pay up front, and I have to say that they have NEVER done that, short of an outright buyout. | Jul 22 12:11 |
| oiaohm | So vmware will want enough money that they never will need income again. | Jul 22 12:11 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | It'd actually be cheaper for them to buy out VMware. | Jul 22 12:11 |
| oiaohm | That is half MS current value. | Jul 22 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Only way MS is getting those patents. | Jul 22 12:12 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Then they may take it to court. There are nuances of law that they haven't bastardized yet. | Jul 22 12:12 |
| oiaohm | And vmware will take out injuction blocking MS from selling hyper-v | Jul 22 12:13 |
| oiaohm | And have it granted. | Jul 22 12:13 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Think they haven't, then answer this question: Bill Gates committed perjury. Why is he not in prison? | Jul 22 12:13 |
| oiaohm | They have the patents to do that. | Jul 22 12:13 |
| oiaohm | So hyper-v back burned for as long as MS argues. | Jul 22 12:13 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | ...and Microsoft has the tenacity to fight them right up to the bitter end. | Jul 22 12:13 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I'm not saying that it won't be catastrophic for them. | Jul 22 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Trying to fight will mean MS will lose. | Jul 22 12:14 |
| oiaohm | VMware will still be able to sell there product same with the open source vms. | Jul 22 12:14 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | You're underestimating Microsoft, and I think that's a dangerous mistake. They've taken down far better companies. | Jul 22 12:14 |
| oiaohm | I am not underestimating MS. | Jul 22 12:14 |
| oiaohm | You are under estermating VMware | Jul 22 12:15 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Sure you are. You think they're going to be taken down, summary judgment, without a fight? | Jul 22 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Big time. | Jul 22 12:15 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I never said Thing One about VMware. | Jul 22 12:15 |
| oiaohm | VMware has done this game play against other VM's. | Jul 22 12:16 |
| oiaohm | That have fort. | Jul 22 12:16 |
| oiaohm | And lost. | Jul 22 12:16 |
| Ng | interesting, I didn't know vmware had KSM-ish patents | Jul 22 12:16 |
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| Ng | I apparently completely missed the LWN article about it :( | Jul 22 12:16 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | ...and I missed the part where Microsoft is "other VMs". | Jul 22 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Before MS enter the VM game. | Jul 22 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Vmware did clear up a few of there competors. | Jul 22 12:17 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | You're dealing with a company that's been known to *lie to grand juries*, and you're saying straight out that they'll lose by default. | Jul 22 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Correct | Jul 22 12:17 |
| oiaohm | on the other side you have a company that will block shipping of items. | Jul 22 12:17 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | That's borderline insanity. You can't count on that, because *that's exactly what they're counting on*. | Jul 22 12:17 |
| oiaohm | and get them called counter fit. | Jul 22 12:18 |
| oiaohm | So they get destroyed. | Jul 22 12:18 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | You're still banking on them losing. | Jul 22 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Lieing has already been tried against vmware. | Jul 22 12:18 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Any good lawyer has to take into account the possibility that the other side - through whatever tricks they may have - may actually win, which causes problems. | Jul 22 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Vmware don't lie. They have the methods. | Jul 22 12:19 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | No, you're right. Best not to consider the fate of a company that loses against Microsoft, for that's already set in stone. | Jul 22 12:19 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Look, I don't envy VMware right now. They have to deal with Preston, Gates & Ellis. | Jul 22 12:20 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Assuming they get past that first hurdle, there's always judicial bribery. | Jul 22 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Problem VMware also will have nothing to lose. | Jul 22 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Think SCO. | Jul 22 12:20 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | SCO didn't have jack. | Jul 22 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Jul 22 12:20 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | The worst part is that they knew it. | Jul 22 12:20 |
| oiaohm | SCO had nothing yet case has lasted years. | Jul 22 12:20 |
| oiaohm | VMware has enough for a injeuction of MS products. | Jul 22 12:21 |
| oiaohm | if they do a SCO MS will not be able to ship that product for years. | Jul 22 12:21 |
| oiaohm | So it will make no difference if VMware wins or loses. | Jul 22 12:21 |
| oiaohm | MS will lose either way. | Jul 22 12:21 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Do me a favor. | Jul 22 12:21 |
| oiaohm | So only option for MS is by Vmware. | Jul 22 12:22 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Look up "precedence". | Jul 22 12:22 |
| oiaohm | There is precedence for this many times over in the USA system. | Jul 22 12:22 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Basically, should Microsoft win - through whatever cheap tricks they may exercise - they can then *countersue* for basically whatever VMware "won" from them. | Jul 22 12:22 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet links to us and uses our image: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4524 | Jul 22 12:22 |
| oiaohm | For VMware winning is not something they need to happen CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Whereas Microsoft TEs try to portray us as hard liners | Jul 22 12:23 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I think you're writing off what's not a foregone conclusion, oiaohm. | Jul 22 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Think of all the countersue done in the SCO case. | Jul 22 12:23 |
| oiaohm | It don't reduce the time. | Jul 22 12:24 |
| oiaohm | MS has nothing strong enough in there patent arms to effect vmwares products. | Jul 22 12:24 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Well then, we should perhaps agree to disagree, as you're convinced that VMware will win, and I believe that Microsoft can still be a threat until it's bankrupt. | Jul 22 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Vmware has prior art on there side. | Jul 22 12:24 |
| oiaohm | The were in the VM game first. | Jul 22 12:25 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Microsoft patented the keyboard! *shaky ground aside* | Jul 22 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Does vmware depend on that. | Jul 22 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Answer no. | Jul 22 12:25 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | They also patented mouse clicks. | Jul 22 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Again vmware does not process mouse. | Jul 22 12:26 |
| oiaohm | It send thew serial data that have nothing to do with mouse. | Jul 22 12:26 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Oh bull. How do you think that information gets into the system to begin with? Someone operates the keyboard or mouse. | Jul 22 12:26 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I'm not saying that it's not INCREDIBLY shaky ground. | Jul 22 12:26 |
| oiaohm | But its already translated by the time vmware processes. | Jul 22 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Or its not processed | Jul 22 12:27 |
| oiaohm | And the OS vmware is passing it to will process it. | Jul 22 12:27 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Do you honestly think the average magistrate knows or cares about any of this? | Jul 22 12:27 |
| oiaohm | So those patents mean nothing to vmware. | Jul 22 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Thinking that USA has a special court for patent cases. | Jul 22 12:27 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | You're depending on an ideal world. | Jul 22 12:27 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | LMAO | Jul 22 12:27 |
| oiaohm | That exists exactly to enforce patents. | Jul 22 12:28 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Where do you get this? | Jul 22 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Trying to cross fire in there does not get too far. | Jul 22 12:28 |
| oiaohm | It is its own circuit in the USA. | Jul 22 12:28 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | USPTO exists, that's not a question. It has no judicial authority. | Jul 22 12:29 |
| oiaohm | I am not talking about USPTO. | Jul 22 12:29 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Patents are usually decided (upheld, struck down, whatever) at the federal level. | Jul 22 12:29 |
| oiaohm | At the federal level. | Jul 22 12:29 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | They're also generally held as "valid until challenged". | Jul 22 12:29 |
| oiaohm | All patent cases go into a special circuit to handle it. | Jul 22 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Stupidly got passed about 6 years ago. | Jul 22 12:30 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot appeal ruling to a different circuit. | Jul 22 12:30 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I don't doubt that Microsoft will *eventually* lose the case, I just think that they're going to do their level best to take VMware with them. | Jul 22 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Problem is Vmware gives MS there patents they are dead. | Jul 22 12:30 |
| oiaohm | So VMware has nothing to lose. | Jul 22 12:30 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | You know, I never even mentioned hostile takeovers. | Jul 22 12:31 |
| oiaohm | That is the path MS has to go. | Jul 22 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Court is not an option. | Jul 22 12:31 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | At which point, all they need is 51% for a simple majority. | Jul 22 12:31 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Which, of course, calls into question how much VMware stock they *already* own. | Jul 22 12:32 |
| oiaohm | And approval for take over. | Jul 22 12:32 |
| oiaohm | That regulator most likely will not give. | Jul 22 12:32 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | /facepalm | Jul 22 12:32 |
| oiaohm | So that leaves 100 percent take over. | Jul 22 12:33 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | They've bribed EU regulators... not that it turned out well. | Jul 22 12:33 |
| oiaohm | A pure hostile buy out. | Jul 22 12:33 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | No. You're still argue the "half of value" line, which isn't necessarily true. | Jul 22 12:33 |
| oiaohm | VMware is not a poor company. | Jul 22 12:34 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | It's fairly simple, and it involves careful subterfuge. Remember how long it took to actually *prove* MS ties to SCO? | Jul 22 12:34 |
| *schestowitz worries that the many Microsoft managers at VMware will use patents versus kvm | Jul 22 12:34 | |
| oiaohm | No issue there schestowitz. | Jul 22 12:34 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | They only actually need 51% control, because they can then vote out anyone that disagrees with the merger. | Jul 22 12:34 |
| oiaohm | vmware has already given there patent blessing to the Linux kernel. | Jul 22 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Foundation membership | Jul 22 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Which I doubt | Jul 22 12:35 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Which, in turn, opens them up to the regulator - assuming the regulator knows what they're doing. | Jul 22 12:35 |
| schestowitz | "Keeping enemies closer" | Jul 22 12:35 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | It'll be an interesting fight to watch, at any rate. | Jul 22 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Only Maritz was in VMware's management at the time IIRC | Jul 22 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Now there are at least 4 | Jul 22 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Then you have a problem. 1 share holder in VMware holds over 51 percent and its not MS. | Jul 22 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Including COO and CEO | Jul 22 12:36 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | oiaohm: Who says? It's called collusion. | Jul 22 12:36 |
| schestowitz | EMC | Jul 22 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Joe Tucci | Jul 22 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Even worse | Jul 22 12:36 |
| schestowitz | He's a buddy or Stsve Ballmer | Jul 22 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Its one of the founders CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 12:36 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Jul 22 12:37 |
| oiaohm | If you want 51 percent of vmware you will have to buy it all. | Jul 22 12:37 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | oiaohm: Because everyone saw a single huge wire transfer to Darl McBride from Microsoft, and that's how the whole SCO scandal started, right? | Jul 22 12:37 |
| oiaohm | MS did not start the SCO mess. | Jul 22 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Novell did. | Jul 22 12:38 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | ...ow. | Jul 22 12:38 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I think you just cost me a few braincells. | Jul 22 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Novell sold SCO all the right to Unix they could. | Jul 22 12:38 |
| oiaohm | All bar the bits that the BSD case tied up. | Jul 22 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Guess what those bits were what SCO need to be able to win against anyone. | Jul 22 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Novell trojan horsed SCO. | Jul 22 12:39 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I thought UNIX was still a Bell product at the time, hence the whole battle against Netware. | Jul 22 12:40 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I may be ill-informed. | Jul 22 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Novell had aquired UNIX name and right from Bell before the Netware BSD settlement over copy right infringement. | Jul 22 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Part of the settlement locked the core rights to the Unix group to the opengroup for ever. | Jul 22 12:41 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | No, you know what? Not going there. This just distracts from my point, that Microsoft can be - and, in fact, is - dangerous in court. | Jul 22 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Problem is does vmware need to win in court. | Jul 22 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Or does vmware just need to drag it out. | Jul 22 12:42 |
| oiaohm | to win. | Jul 22 12:42 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | You're proposing a Pyrrhic victory. | Jul 22 12:43 |
| oiaohm | As you have seen with SCO you can drag a USA court case out for years. | Jul 22 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Exactly CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 12:43 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | If they enter into the case lightly, believing that they'll take Microsoft down and ignoring counterarguments, they stand a very real chance of losing. | Jul 22 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Does not matter how dangerous MS is if injection stands. | Jul 22 12:43 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Exactly oiaohm. | Jul 22 12:44 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | IF it stands. | Jul 22 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Problem is in patent cases most likely out come is a double side injection. | Jul 22 12:44 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | If they enter the case without being wise to ALL of Microsoft's tricks, they may not even win that. | Jul 22 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Nether allowed to sell until problem is sorted out. | Jul 22 12:44 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Then Sun wins. | Jul 22 12:45 |
| oiaohm | With vmware allowing xen and kvm to exist they have a fall back location. | Jul 22 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Providing interfaces for controlling virtual machine systems. | Jul 22 12:45 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Okay, here's something I'd find interesting. | Jul 22 12:45 |
| oiaohm | MS does not have a fall back location. | Jul 22 12:45 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | A study of installed virtual machine environments, VMware vs Virtualbox vs Xen vs KVM vs whatever. | Jul 22 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Not at least one they want to use. | Jul 22 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Virtualbox and KVM are blood releations. | Jul 22 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Releated part is qemu. | Jul 22 12:46 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Sure they do. Split funds between mutual benefactors that act in unison (collusion) to acquire 51% of VMware, rotate out dissenters, quash any motions to sue that way. | Jul 22 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Really there are not that many hyperversiors. | Jul 22 12:47 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | It's happened before. | Jul 22 12:47 |
| oiaohm | vmare is unique. | Jul 22 12:47 |
| oiaohm | hyper-v is a xen releation. | Jul 22 12:48 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | If the actors have the appearance of disinterested parties, they won't even have to deal with the regulators. | Jul 22 12:48 |
| oiaohm | There are not that many parties. | Jul 22 12:48 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I'm just saying that Microsoft is plenty dangerous, even if it doesn't have the same power they used to enjoy. | Jul 22 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Its like a highly dangerous lion in a cage. | Jul 22 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Its only dangerous if someone stands in the wrong place or lets it out. | Jul 22 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Against vmware ms has no simple way to get out the cage. | Jul 22 12:50 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | There's the rub. VMware needs to be totally sure of EVERY BIT of their stance before they go challenging Microsoft. | Jul 22 12:50 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | If they're standing right next to the cage, who can be surprised should they lose an arm? | Jul 22 12:50 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Plus, the caged lion never had agents provocateur acting on its behalf. | Jul 22 12:51 |
| oiaohm | VMware can be sure. Means to do VMware shared memory stunt was designed by VMware then intergrated into cpus. | Jul 22 12:51 |
| oiaohm | That is the real big rub. | Jul 22 12:51 |
| oiaohm | It a hardware patent applieable world wide. | Jul 22 12:51 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Which, again, becomes irrelevant to a forced sell. How do you enforce your patents when your controlling members won't sue? | Jul 22 12:52 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I think you've touched on the answer, but you seem to dance around it a bit. | Jul 22 12:53 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Answer: You make damned sure your controlling members AREN'T MICROSOFT AGENTS. | Jul 22 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Vmware does enforce there patents. | Jul 22 12:53 |
| oiaohm | So far MS has not implemented shared memory tech between vm's. | Jul 22 12:54 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Again, you missed my point. Why would VMware enforce their patents if Microsoft has majority control? You're arguing that Microsoft would effectively sue Microsoft! | Jul 22 12:54 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Hence why VMware needs to watch their backs. | Jul 22 12:54 |
| oiaohm | MS cannot get majority control without buying out over 51 percent as a single block from a founder who does not particularly like MS. | Jul 22 12:55 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Assuming he is approached by Microsoft, and not a group of "disinterested parties" interested in owning shares. | Jul 22 12:55 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | By law, you cannot deny the sale of shares to the public. Additionally, you'd be surprised how many millionaires live in the Silicon Valley ALONE. | Jul 22 12:55 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | So there's still a method, but it's extremely dirty. | Jul 22 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Does not work. | Jul 22 12:56 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Hasn't been tried. | Jul 22 12:56 |
| oiaohm | He is a legal share holder. | Jul 22 12:56 |
| oiaohm | You don't have to issue more shares. | Jul 22 12:57 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Wait, you're saying the founder has majority control? | Jul 22 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jul 22 12:57 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Ha, facts not in evidence. Then yes, it becomes considerably more difficult for Microsoft to win this one. | Jul 22 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Basically vmware vs MS not fun | Jul 22 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Neither party has a nice simple win. | Jul 22 12:58 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Again, if there's anything I'd want to see out of this, it's a survey of VM software. I'm particularly curious how Sun could benefit from all this. | Jul 22 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Sun release xvm is a xen releation under a open source licence protected by vmware agreement. | Jul 22 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically there are not that many vm's. | Jul 22 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of window dressing on highly releated vm's. | Jul 22 13:00 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Right, and VMware would be out along with a significant - if not fatal - blow to Microsoft. | Jul 22 13:00 |
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| CrazyJoeFriday | So really, suddenly there's one main project. Let's just hope the Department of Justice doesn't think *that* far ahead and act to prevent Sun from taking over, at least until they've proven themselves less neutral. | Jul 22 13:01 |
| oiaohm | The wild card in all this is Orcale not sun. | Jul 22 13:02 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Of course, this is all assuming that VMware would sue Microsoft, which - as we've shown - effectively takes them out and leads to a fairly isolated marketplace. | Jul 22 13:02 |
| MinceR | whom does it take out, vmware or m$? | Jul 22 13:03 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Technically, the wild card is whether the DoJ would even hear the case, depending on whether they can read the potential outcomes. | Jul 22 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Orcale could want bits out of MS for there patents on virtual machine designs. | Jul 22 13:04 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I'd say VMware, but not without taking out a good chunk of Microsoft's business. | Jul 22 13:04 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Then Oracle would take out more of Microsoft. | Jul 22 13:04 |
| oiaohm | IBM would be there as well. | Jul 22 13:05 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Since everyone's dog-piling on them now. | Jul 22 13:05 |
| oiaohm | It would get messy. | Jul 22 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Its not in MS best intrest to start a court case. | Jul 22 13:05 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | It's not in VMware's, either. | Jul 22 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Too many interested parties in the VM game who could all want there bit. | Jul 22 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Problem is VMware has argreements with all interested parties. | Jul 22 13:06 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Really, a handful of old money companies would win out on that one. | Jul 22 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Advantage of being first. | Jul 22 13:06 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Right, so they could drag it out longer. | Jul 22 13:06 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Would it be a silver bullet, not at all. | Jul 22 13:07 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Honestly, I think the best thing to do is what's happening right now. | Jul 22 13:07 |
| oiaohm | It would be a SCO case with teeth. | Jul 22 13:07 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Slaughter Microsoft with straightforward competition. | Jul 22 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Now if VMware losses means to Slaughter MS it could turn nasty fast. | Jul 22 13:08 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Yet if MS doesn't get Hyper-V proven in the field, they could face the DoJ over a potential monopoly by some third-party. | Jul 22 13:08 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Trust me, you *don't* want IBM to have a monopoly. | Jul 22 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Don't worry about IBM. | Jul 22 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Orcale with a monopoly is more on the cards. | Jul 22 13:09 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Well, the third party is unknown at this time, so I worry about any interested party. | Jul 22 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Best prevention to a monopoly is open source becoming dominate in key areas. | Jul 22 13:10 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | This is all speculation anyways. I think it's going to hit, and I think it's going to flop. If they're smart, they'll pull out. | Jul 22 13:10 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | The last few hours of discussion is mostly academic depending on a suit that may not even happen. | Jul 22 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Main reason ms wants control of the hypervisor is for Digital rights management. | Jul 22 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Who ever controls the lowers part gets to sell drm to media companies. | Jul 22 13:12 |
| MinceR | and because it lets them force people to buy winblows licenses :> | Jul 22 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jul 22 13:12 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Holy hell. Did we just spend hours debating something that we agree on? XD | Jul 22 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Slightly different points of view CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 13:13 |
| oiaohm | I really don't see MS as in a strong location. | Jul 22 13:14 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | oiaohm: Okay, *now* I have a headache. | Jul 22 13:14 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Yeah, I know, but that came as a part of the lawsuit discussion, not a part of whether they'd sell licenses, right? | Jul 22 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 13:15 |
| oiaohm | I see MS as destroyable as any other company. | Jul 22 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Nothing magical about them. Every company tries to trick there way out of court cases or buy the other side. Sometimes its impossable. | Jul 22 13:16 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | As do I, I merely think it's a mistake to underestimate them. Even the Supreme Court got beaten. | Jul 22 13:17 |
| oiaohm | The problem here. Its documented that they have lied in court before. | Jul 22 13:17 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Hardly the problem. The problem is that there's documentation of suborned federal perjury, and someone's STILL not in prison. | Jul 22 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Since Vmware has not they can use that to have higher trust before a judge. | Jul 22 13:18 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Every day that Bill Gates *isn't* in a blue jumpsuit is an insult to justice. | Jul 22 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Would you want to be the judge to be documented as being tricked by MS a secound time CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 13:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Buy a netbook from Amazon and you can actually get your Windows tax refunded! http://is.gd/1HyXW #amazonwin | Jul 22 13:20 | |
| CrazyJoeFriday | I believe I'd do the bit from the South Park movie and just end the question then and there. Treason carries consequences, and lying to the federal government... | Jul 22 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Stunts like lieing it court only really work once. Next time they become a negitive for your company. | Jul 22 13:20 |
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| CrazyJoeFriday | This is where limitations SUCK. | Jul 22 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jul 22 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | Could this be fake shortages? http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/business/8162798.stm ( Apple admits iPhone supply issues) | Jul 22 13:22 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Technically, the court is enjoined from putting him away for something that he did simply because the relevant documentation got suppressed. | Jul 22 13:22 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | That sucks. | Jul 22 13:22 |
| oiaohm | That is also the bit you are missing the lies MS has done weakness them. | Jul 22 13:22 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | It weakens them in court again. It does NOTHING to prevent them from lying AGAIN. | Jul 22 13:23 |
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| pcolon | Good morning. At least from here in western NY. | Jul 22 13:23 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, hey.. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/22/self-serving-linux-patch/comment-page-1/#comment-71076 got stuck in the moderation queue apparently | Jul 22 13:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT: @sitepointdotcom 16 PHP Frameworks To Consider For Your Next Project http://bit.ly/14GLs8 | Jul 22 13:24 | |
| oiaohm | In the EU cases due to the USA lie asked for independant person investagion of everything MS was cliaming CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Kinda makes it hard to lie when every thing you claim is going to be investagated. | Jul 22 13:24 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Not really, but it does provide a good reason not to lie. | Jul 22 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | Intel claims its SSDs are super fast < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1469047/intel-claims-ssds-super-fast > | Jul 22 13:25 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: let me check | Jul 22 13:25 |
| jose_X | thanks | Jul 22 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Particularly when it means you will be caught quickly and this time not get away CrazyJoeFriday | Jul 22 13:26 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Assuming they're stupid about which lies they tell, which we can't count on. Just know that they'll get caught eventually. | Jul 22 13:26 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: this reminds me to disable spam filters | Jul 22 13:27 |
| schestowitz | With subscribe-to-comment we don't need filters (yet) | Jul 22 13:27 |
| oiaohm | They lied in the EU case and got fined massively. Ie we have valid documentation to our protocals. Opps they did not. | Jul 22 13:27 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, you might eventually be needing captcha-whatever | Jul 22 13:27 |
| jose_X | if you want to avoid the spam filter as spammers get smarter here | Jul 22 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Not really. Also, trolling went down. People know there are boundaries | Jul 22 13:28 |
| schestowitz | We never delete comments, it's just user accounts that are watched | Jul 22 13:28 |
| schestowitz | We have 713 registered users, mostly spammers | Jul 22 13:29 |
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| CrazyJoeFriday | The hell is he up to? | Jul 22 13:31 |
| MinceR | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/07/22/0127212/FOIA-Documents-Detail-iPods-Overheating-Catching-Fire | Jul 22 13:31 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: I doubt you are right about Canonical | Jul 22 13:32 |
| jose_X | hmmm, it was a thought | Jul 22 13:32 |
| schestowitz | I don't think there is any connection with Microsoft re Mono | Jul 22 13:32 |
| jose_X | I would not be shocked | Jul 22 13:33 |
| jose_X | it doesn't matter.. i suggest things like that so that people keep their minds open and don't get complacent. we never know, really. | Jul 22 13:33 |
| jose_X | one distro to rule them all is not something i appreciate but can tolerate if they merit it | Jul 22 13:34 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | schestowitz: So *that's* what they meant when they called the iPod a "hot new item"! | Jul 22 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | Flaming hot | Jul 22 13:36 |
| jose_X | ubuntu's mono passion (ie, indifference yet many of the people in charge seem to like it) means they went to far for my tastes. The bigger you get, the more scrutiny you get. | Jul 22 13:36 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: I guess.. http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/a-case-of-not-so-curious-opinion/ | Jul 22 13:37 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Absolutely unmatched in functionality... as a portable toaster oven. | Jul 22 13:37 |
| schestowitz | BTW, see http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1469055/microsoft-releases-gpl-code | Jul 22 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Another patch for Microsoft | Jul 22 13:37 |
| schestowitz | This time they use Moodle to promote Microsoft | Jul 22 13:37 |
| schestowitz | CrazyJoeFriday: the "i" stands for "ignition" | Jul 22 13:37 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 22 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I heard about people using their phones as flashlights (or PDAs), but this is taking it to the extreme | Jul 22 13:38 |
| schestowitz | You could use iPhone for survival | Jul 22 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Like those who had their PMPs catch bullets | Jul 22 13:38 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | New iPod with cigarette lighter built-in! | Jul 22 13:39 |
| schestowitz | But iPhone is valuable when you want to cook a bison or something, if lost in nature | Jul 22 13:39 |
| MinceR | i doubt it ignites predictably | Jul 22 13:39 |
| schestowitz | You could make a trigger | Jul 22 13:39 |
| MinceR | just when it feels like | Jul 22 13:39 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Well, that's absolutely right. First you get the recipe on the screen, then you wait a few minutes for the open flame. | Jul 22 13:39 |
| schestowitz | iPhone leads to suicide | Jul 22 13:39 |
| pcolon | Whatis PMP? | Jul 22 13:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iphone+suicide&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Jul 22 13:40 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Death by iPhone | Jul 22 13:40 |
| schestowitz | No, watch the news | Jul 22 13:40 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Oh that doesn't count! | Jul 22 13:40 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | The iPhone didn't *cause* the suicide! | Jul 22 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Foxconn Hands IPhone Suicide Case to Chinese Police http://www.pcworld.com/article/168823/foxconn_hands_iphone_suicide_case_to_chinese_police.html | Jul 22 13:41 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Now if the guy cooked the iPhone so that it would blow, then sat on it for an hour... | Jul 22 13:41 |
| schestowitz | iPhone suicide: is a phone worth dying for? http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43340/95/ | Jul 22 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Chinese worker commits suicide over missing iPhone http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hhaa-OyjudC7OdQ2VYfQfocgHQGgD99JF8FG1 | Jul 22 13:41 |
| schestowitz | From Associated -Press- Gangsters (anti-fair use) | Jul 22 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Apple Urges Respect For Workers After Death Over Missing IPhone http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200907220807DOWJONESDJONLINE000512_FORTUNE5.htm | Jul 22 13:42 |
| schestowitz | "Apple Inc. (AAPL) called on its suppliers to treat workers with "dignity and respect" Wednesday after the reported suicide of a factory employee in China who had been accused of stealing a new iPhone model." | Jul 22 13:42 |
| schestowitz | **Jobs licks his lips | Jul 22 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Adobe spanked for insecure Reader app | Jul 22 13:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/22/outdated_adobe_reader_downloads/ | Jul 22 13:43 |
| schestowitz | But,....... linksys.. Open-source firmware vuln exposes wireless routers < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/critical_ddwrt_router_vuln/ > | Jul 22 13:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Can everyone please give Carl Malamud a string of awards? http://is.gd/1HAyY http://is.gd/1HAzp | Jul 22 13:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Did Ireland not give Intel enough tax evasion opportunities? http://ping.fm/a8CXl | Jul 22 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | Holy c*. Seagate loses $3bn in a year < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/22/seagate_q409_results/ > | Jul 22 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I've seen bigger numbers from NEC IIRC | Jul 22 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Bank fined £3m for data loss < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/22/fsa_hsbc_data_loss/ > | Jul 22 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Woohoo | Jul 22 13:47 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jul 22 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Windows dumped | Jul 22 13:47 |
| schestowitz | At Ericson. | Jul 22 13:47 |
| schestowitz | At Ericsson. | Jul 22 13:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sony Ericsson Dumps WIndows for Linux http://ping.fm/QTfYk | Jul 22 13:49 | |
| schestowitz | To think that Microsoft mocked Android so much. ANd Chrome OS is coming soon, as well, to compete against an overly bloated OS from Microsoft. | Jul 22 13:49 |
| CrazyJoeFriday | Sorry, as lively as this room has proven, I've been conscious for 24 hours and that's about my limit. Later. | Jul 22 13:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] WikiLeaks wins against another injunction, over corruption in Turks & Caicos http://is.gd/1HBdF | Jul 22 13:57 | |
| schestowitz | Who is AOLSystemMessage ? | Jul 22 13:58 |
| pcolon | According to the log it's conley. | Jul 22 14:00 |
| AOLSystemMessage | haha, sorry joke in other channel...I suppose it's not best netiquette to change my nick everywhere | Jul 22 14:01 |
| AOLSystemMessage | schestowitz: it looks like someone is using your screenname, if this is not you, please press 1 | Jul 22 14:01 |
| schestowitz | #1 | Jul 22 14:02 |
| schestowitz | "Welcome. You got mail. Goodbye" | Jul 22 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Lifestyle Lift Forced to Drop Astroturf < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8471 > | Jul 22 14:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The influence of the tobacco industry via PR and lobbying continue to be appalling. http://ping.fm/WLaqc (Big Tobacco retains its clout) | Jul 22 14:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US the origin of 16 per cent of spam < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/142393/from/rss09 >. 90% (or more) of spam also comes ... | Jul 22 14:07 | |
| schestowitz | Baltimore transit wants to use microphones to record all conversations on trains and buses http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/baltimore-transit-wa.html | Jul 22 14:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UAE Blackberry update was spyware < http://ping.fm/njzY1 > Reason to avoid rigid, secret code devices. | Jul 22 14:18 | |
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| schestowitz | They really go hard on you guys | Jul 22 14:19 |
| tacone | hard = ? | Jul 22 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Actign tough | Jul 22 14:19 |
| schestowitz | "Tiburon, CA will photograph and record license plate of every visitor to town" < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/tiburon-ca-will-phot.html > | Jul 22 14:19 |
| tacone | often ? | Jul 22 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Power of technology misused | Jul 22 14:20 |
| trmanco | what was dr.dos? | Jul 22 14:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., Jailed < http://ping.fm/o6vBU > | Jul 22 14:23 | |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/prototype_of_new_ui_test << OpenOffice GUI prototypes. If you have not seen yet schestowitz | Jul 22 14:23 |
| schestowitz | These people usually rant: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/07/20/ubuntu-server-edition-wheres-the-official-support/ | Jul 22 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Seen it. | Jul 22 14:24 |
| schestowitz | The Renaissance logo looks like they made it in GIMP with Script-Fu | Jul 22 14:24 |
| pcolon | trmanco: Digital Research Disk Operating System | Jul 22 14:25 |
| Ng | oiaohm: haha, so basically the prototype is "copy the Office 2007 ribbon" | Jul 22 14:25 |
| oiaohm | LOL Ng | Jul 22 14:26 |
| oiaohm | The prototype contains about 6 different interface designs. | Jul 22 14:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kernel Trap Web site springs back to life. | Jul 22 14:27 | |
| MinceR | hopefully that ribbon will be optional | Jul 22 14:27 |
| Ng | I just looked at the one screenshot on that page, which looks a lot like the ribbon imho | Jul 22 14:27 |
| MinceR | hm, actually they seem to be keeping the menu | Jul 22 14:27 |
| oiaohm | It does not act like ribben. | Jul 22 14:27 |
| MinceR | so it isn't nearly as retarded as the ribbon | Jul 22 14:27 |
| MinceR | also, i see no tabs there | Jul 22 14:27 |
| MinceR | now i do | Jul 22 14:27 |
| MinceR | they're on the bottom :> | Jul 22 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Its tab base design is releated to KDE apps. | Jul 22 14:28 |
| oiaohm | That predated ribbion. | Jul 22 14:28 |
| MinceR | still, it eats space horribly -- i prefer menu+toolbars. | Jul 22 14:28 |
| oiaohm | There is a auto fold up one. | Jul 22 14:29 |
| oiaohm | It has the tabs on the top. | Jul 22 14:29 |
| oiaohm | There is also a sidewards scrolling one. | Jul 22 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Biggest mistake of ribbion is the AI system changing the displayed icons. | Jul 22 14:33 |
| MinceR | i consider its biggest faults that it removes the menu (with its quick keyboard-based access to lots of functions) and that many actions take at least 2 clicks even though you are using something that's supposed to be a toolbar. | Jul 22 14:34 |
| oiaohm | You cannot learn the ribbion effectively because you end up click into a toolbar where a icon was and it gone. | Jul 22 14:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @txtlastnight TFLN (334): I told a kindergarten student that candy canes are bones of reject elves. http://bit.ly/gChxi | Jul 22 14:36 | |
| oiaohm | So then you have to find it the other way. | Jul 22 14:36 |
| oiaohm | That is not the point of the toolbar to waste click then have to go another path. | Jul 22 14:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 22 14:37 |
| oiaohm | AI is the worst bit. | Jul 22 14:37 |
| oiaohm | The menu removed comes a close second. | Jul 22 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | HeliOS setback: A Real Trooper Passes < http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/07/real-trooper-passes.html > | Jul 22 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | It's almost official. Tall people are "terrorists" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/22/kent_police/ Too-tall terror snapper stopped by cops again | Jul 22 15:03 |
| MinceR | suffer not the mutant to live | Jul 22 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Prominent Black professor arrested for entering own home while Black < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/21/prominent-black-prof.html > | Jul 22 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Watch the photo. He's like... "what you doing?? It's my house." | Jul 22 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. http://38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/MPHolidayWatch | Jul 22 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Probably DRM-laden: Barnes & Noble unveils online bookstore to compete directly with Amazon < http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2009-07-20-barnes-noble-online-bookstore_N.htm > | Jul 22 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Complex Algorithm Research and Development: Harder Than Many Think < http://math-blog.com/2009/07/20/complex-algorithm-research-and-development-harder-than-many-think/ >Nothing about patents nonetheless | Jul 22 15:20 |
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| wallclimber | Good morning! | Jul 22 15:35 |
| schestowitz | To you too | Jul 22 15:36 |
| schestowitz | No thunderstorms though | Jul 22 15:36 |
| wallclimber | Roy, you mentioned yesterday that you need some help sorting things out in the BN wiki | Jul 22 15:36 |
| wallclimber | I am embarrassed to say this, but I have no idea how to help with that...is it something I can learn how to do? Can you show me where to start? | Jul 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz | A book on NSA wiretapping is coming. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135645/The_NSA_wiretapping_story_nobody_wanted | Jul 22 15:38 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: categories may help a lot | Jul 22 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Basically they are like tags | Jul 22 15:38 |
| schestowitz | So among a pool of hundreds of exhibits we want to assign and group them to many groups of topics | Jul 22 15:39 |
| schestowitz | And it's fun reading them in the process (to me it is anyway) | Jul 22 15:39 |
| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Intellectual_Ventures for example | Jul 22 15:40 |
| wallclimber | well, I'm fairly good at organizing and grouping things, but I work in print...I am horribly clueless about the mechanics of web pages. | Jul 22 15:40 |
| schestowitz | It's not a full page yet. Just a placeholder with links | Jul 22 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Not I'll add categories to it | Jul 22 15:40 |
| wallclimber | (wallclimber admits to being a dinosaur) | Jul 22 15:41 |
| schestowitz | So.. at the top of the page I've just added: [[Category:Patent Troll]] | Jul 22 15:41 |
| schestowitz | [[Category:Microsoft]] | Jul 22 15:41 |
| schestowitz | [[Category:Nathan Myhrvold]] | Jul 22 15:41 |
| schestowitz | If we tag all the Nathan Myhrvold exhibits in this way now, then.... | Jul 22 15:41 |
| wallclimber | I'm looking at it now | Jul 22 15:41 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Nathan_Myhrvold&action=edit&redlink=1 | Jul 22 15:41 |
| schestowitz | We end up with a place where his antitrust violations may be easy to collect | Jul 22 15:42 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Nathan_Myhrvold | Jul 22 15:43 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Microsoft | Jul 22 15:44 |
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| zer0c00l | can anyone please check mysql.com? | Jul 22 15:44 |
| zer0c00l | its down? | Jul 22 15:44 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: ZDNet has linked to us earlier and some press quoted us re: Microsoft Linux code | Jul 22 15:45 |
| schestowitz | But there are smears too | Jul 22 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft et al need some dirt with which to say "don't listen to them, because..." | Jul 22 15:45 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz, www.mysql.com , you know what happened ? they shut it down? | Jul 22 15:45 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: down for me too | Jul 22 15:45 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: unlikely | Jul 22 15:46 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, ok | Jul 22 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/hcr09act?qp_source=hcr09act_e1_credo | Jul 22 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chavezcode.com/2009/07/dept-of-state-agrees-with-coup-regime.html | Jul 22 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/20/bush-teen-pregnancy-cdc-report >. Was Bush an anti-abortionist? | Jul 22 15:47 |
| wallclimber | Yes, he was (is!), and so was McCain | Jul 22 15:48 |
| fewa | schestowitz, the US refuses to condemn the coup, but adamentally supports interventionism in IRan.... | Jul 22 15:48 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: yes, Palin was asked hard questions too. That's how I rememberd | Jul 22 15:49 |
| schestowitz | *ed | Jul 22 15:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Q&A: "Too Many People Don't Want the Truth on CIA Flights to Come Out" < http://ping.fm/wIRxg > | Jul 22 15:49 | |
| fewa | they are telling us what to think.... | Jul 22 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but it's hyporicy-caused | Jul 22 15:49 |
| schestowitz | The assumption is that "if it's good for us, we support it" | Jul 22 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Not: "if it's moral, then we support it" | Jul 22 15:50 |
| fewa | exactly, foreign policy has not evolved a single bit morally since the tie of the mongols | Jul 22 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Fight there are "good" | Jul 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | They make them look "bad' | Jul 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | And they kill each others | Jul 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | *other | Jul 22 15:53 |
| fewa | no they dont kill each other | Jul 22 15:53 |
| fewa | they force their subjects to kill each other | Jul 22 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | What would US/UK/EU intervention have to gain? | Jul 22 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Rather, what would Blackwater/BP/etc gain from it? Intervention has RoI. | Jul 22 15:59 |
| fewa | i have no idea, but those who pay the media obviously have an interest in this situation | Jul 22 15:59 |
| fewa | the coverage is so incredibly 1-sided | Jul 22 16:00 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, you watch the solar eclipse? | Jul 22 16:01 |
| fewa | for example, the continuous lie that Ahmadinejad said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map | Jul 22 16:02 |
| fewa | when he simply said that what Israel, with its settlements, was basically breaking every treaty and internation law | Jul 22 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly follow this, but such lies are common | Jul 22 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Or words exaggerated | Jul 22 16:04 |
| fewa | and spinning the translations | Jul 22 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Do you remember the nut (as in testicle) rumours about leaders like Hitler and Napoleon? | Jul 22 16:05 |
| MinceR | i prefer hazelnut rumors | Jul 22 16:05 |
| schestowitz | re: "spinning the translations" | Jul 22 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Bible does that too | Jul 22 16:05 |
| fewa | mmmmm hazelnuts | Jul 22 16:05 |
| fewa | sooo good | Jul 22 16:05 |
| schestowitz | I think Mussolini had a rumour going on him too. Let me ehck... | Jul 22 16:06 |
| fewa | aka filberts | Jul 22 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that's Franco. | Jul 22 16:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/18/franco_huevo/ | Jul 22 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm.... BT and MS... http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=179435 | Jul 22 16:08 |
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| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmxlA0UveZQ eclipse at sunrise in varanasi | Jul 22 16:13 |
| ThistleWeb | wow >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/22/apple-worker-suicide-prototype-missing | Jul 22 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Attempt to cast open source and Microsoft stack: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3830081/How-to-Contribute-to-Open-Source-When-Youre-Not-Exactly-Scott-Hanselman.htm | Jul 22 16:17 |
| schestowitz | fewa: interesting intersections of orbits... nothing too exciting IMHO | Jul 22 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Unless you want to ruin your vision system staring at it :-D | Jul 22 16:19 |
| fewa | longest solar eclipse of the 21th century | Jul 22 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Wel... | Jul 22 16:20 |
| fewa | went threw major cities: mumbai, chengdu, beijing | Jul 22 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe all the gases will top that | Jul 22 16:20 |
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| fewa | nah its all totally predictable | Jul 22 16:20 |
| schestowitz | With the ozone layer coming apart we can also break brightness levels | Jul 22 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Hey, liberfiasco | Jul 22 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I saw that usual lynching at LXer | Jul 22 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Joining handing with a group of Microsoft employee who baited BN for a week to gather dirt | Jul 22 16:23 |
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| libervisco | Not everyone is lynching | Jul 22 16:26 |
| libervisco | I said you bring up some interesting evidence, just think it sometimes goes overboard.. I'm not sure if a boycott campaign must be that one sided.. | Jul 22 16:28 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: the vocal ones are | Jul 22 16:28 |
| schestowitz | The usual ones | Jul 22 16:28 |
| schestowitz | inc. tracyanne | Jul 22 16:28 |
| schestowitz | To put this in context: | Jul 22 16:28 |
| libervisco | I stopped being a FSF purist, I don't agree anymore on Mono and as a voluntaryist I think much of the debate is hacking the branches of a real problem.. so when i see this stuff I'm naturally disillusioned.. | Jul 22 16:29 |
| schestowitz | There are people's whose views are hostile towards GPLv3 or RMS | Jul 22 16:29 |
| schestowitz | There is also Microsoft | Jul 22 16:29 |
| libervisco | right | Jul 22 16:29 |
| schestowitz | So they libel/bait their opposer | Jul 22 16:29 |
| schestowitz | And LXer shows only their side | Jul 22 16:29 |
| libervisco | well LXer regularly publishes what's submitted from BN though, are they not? | Jul 22 16:30 |
| fewa | schestowitz, ozone is actually healing AFAIK | Jul 22 16:30 |
| libervisco | I wouldn't generalize LXer as a whole | Jul 22 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Noone remarked on the fact that this latest post is written by several Microsoft folks | Jul 22 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Also in the comments | Jul 22 16:30 |
| fewa | or at least stopped getting woorse | Jul 22 16:30 |
| schestowitz | See http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/a-case-of-not-so-curious-opinion/ | Jul 22 16:30 |
| fewa | the CFC ban was very successfully executed | Jul 22 16:30 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: no, they don't | Jul 22 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Not after tracyanne at al shouted | Jul 22 16:30 |
| schestowitz | In LinuxToday everyone who comments is supportive of BN | Jul 22 16:31 |
| schestowitz | LXer is like another universe.. Groklaw thinks so too (PJ is) | Jul 22 16:31 |
| schestowitz | And Penguin Pete's attacks on Ken probably have his sympathy for me seen as negative sign | Jul 22 16:32 |
| schestowitz | fewa: why would it heal? | Jul 22 16:32 |
| schestowitz | And what's the source for this claim? A lot of fake science is planted out there | Jul 22 16:32 |
| fewa | well i think thats an overstatement, but it stopped getting woorse at the horrible rate it was | Jul 22 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Says who though? | Jul 22 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Exxon's study at University of X? | Jul 22 16:33 |
| fewa | idk i think i read it is Discover or something | Jul 22 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Any opposition to it? | Jul 22 16:33 |
| fewa | when they were talking about the new satallite that will be able to measure it better | Jul 22 16:33 |
| libervisco | well LinuxToday editor is Carla who is supportive of BN yeah.. looks like they all have their biases :S | Jul 22 16:33 |
| fewa | the healing is a vast overstatement however | Jul 22 16:33 |
| libervisco | I mean "editors biases = publication biases" | Jul 22 16:33 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: I think they know different things | Jul 22 16:33 |
| fewa | but ozone is only one thing, CO2 + sulfer + methane are a huge problem | Jul 22 16:33 |
| schestowitz | methane..hehe | Jul 22 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Stop growing beans | Jul 22 16:34 |
| fewa | CFCs are the worst greenhouse gas, and they were banned | Jul 22 16:34 |
| *libervisco is reading that blog.. | Jul 22 16:34 | |
| fewa | its actually the artic tundra. It will melt and release alot of methane: a positive feedback loop | Jul 22 16:34 |
| fewa | + it will turn from white, reflecting the sun, to black, absorbing the sun | Jul 22 16:35 |
| fewa | but from what i read the giant friggen hole in the ozone layer down in antartica is not getting bigger, or at least has vastly slowed down | Jul 22 16:36 |
| fewa | due to the ban on CFC production | Jul 22 16:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle raises software prices (again) http://ping.fm/nWhvy How's that lock-in feeling? | Jul 22 16:39 | |
| schestowitz | It's this in Wikipedia on Ozone? | Jul 22 16:39 |
| schestowitz | They might have references that refute it | Jul 22 16:39 |
| schestowitz | This is a muchly-astroturfed subject | Jul 22 16:39 |
| libervisco | ok I read that blog and scanned the comments.. Linsux reference was insubstantial, Wong may be biased, but I think there is still overreaction | Jul 22 16:49 |
| libervisco | More oil is being thrown to the fire than is necessary and so instead of advancing everyone gets burned more than they otherwise would. It's a train of escalation and controversy. | Jul 22 16:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/oversights-by-bluenog-spark-open-source-community-anger-005061.php (Oversights by Bluenog Spark Open Source Community Anger) About time...... | Jul 22 16:54 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: I don't provoke THEM | Jul 22 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: he came to MY blog | Jul 22 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Linsuxxx spread libel about me | Jul 22 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I choose not to give them attention | Jul 22 16:55 |
| schestowitz | And "Lefty" I had nothing to do with...... some zealot attacked him and he wrongly accused me of being behind this attack | Jul 22 16:56 |
| libervisco | well it's your right as it's your property, it's just that it's also everybody's right to choose whether to support what you do with your property or just choose to go.. | Jul 22 16:56 |
| schestowitz | So I'm not really asking for trouble except when checking the facts and explaining things as I see them. No AstroTurf, no libel (nothing false by intension), No trolling... | Jul 22 16:57 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: just look how many trolls we get in the comments and IRC... | Jul 22 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Novell fans/shills like "eet" since 2007 | Jul 22 16:58 |
| schestowitz | But they successfully give some people in LXer the impression that want to give... that _I'm_ the bad guy | Jul 22 16:58 |
| schestowitz | It's like calling RMS or Greenpeace "bad people" because they stand up for something | Jul 22 16:59 |
| libervisco | I'm just saying not everyone you may see as an astroturfer or a troll may necessarily be one.. more is needed than just checking who they work for or what their opinion is | Jul 22 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | Fair enough, and suspicion is no fact | Jul 22 16:59 |
| libervisco | exactly | Jul 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't call someone "a shill" unless I know this for a fact | Jul 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Like with Wong | Jul 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Biases count sometimes, e.g. when people only comment in favour of Microsoft in BN | Jul 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | We don't delete comments, but we keep track of who's a foe commenting there | Jul 22 17:00 |
| libervisco | What's your method of determining if someone is a shill? | Jul 22 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | libervisco: like I did with Wong.. went to his Web site and dug deep | Jul 22 17:03 |
| schestowitz | With Novell, I can see the IPs (novell.com) | Jul 22 17:03 |
| libervisco | I mean what are the necessary conditions? | Jul 22 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Marketing people, no disclosure, dishonesty and spin | Jul 22 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: wb | Jul 22 17:04 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 22 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Watch how discussions get TOTALLY hijacked/derailed: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/19/ms-vs-ukraine-linux-foss/#postcomment | Jul 22 17:05 |
| wallclimber | I've been avoiding work all morning | Jul 22 17:05 |
| libervisco | well dishonesty is a tough one.. :P | Jul 22 17:05 |
| libervisco | it's not easy to empirically prove someone's dishonesty (I actually intend to try though).. | Jul 22 17:06 |
| libervisco | marketing is something most people engage in without calling it marketing.. we market ourselves and our opinions.. | Jul 22 17:06 |
| libervisco | most of all though, I think Wong made himself too easy a target.. it was obvious from the get go | Jul 22 17:07 |
| libervisco | So either he's a very bad astroturfer or he really is what he claims.. trying to engage in a discussion :P | Jul 22 17:07 |
| libervisco | meh | Jul 22 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: they try to do that on my blog | Jul 22 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | its really hilarious | Jul 22 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone just ignores them because I don't have lengthy discussions on my blog | Jul 22 17:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | since a) its my blog, b) my word really is law | Jul 22 17:08 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: some people would be less tolerant with them | Jul 22 17:09 |
| schestowitz | COnsider what's considered OOXML shills | Jul 22 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Personal attacks and all... | Jul 22 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I wanted to highlight a proven recorded case | Jul 22 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft TEs monitoring blogs and spinning | Jul 22 17:09 |
| libervisco | yeah and you may have a point there, but you're helping them win | Jul 22 17:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should write more about microsoft | Jul 22 17:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | clearly, its like they asked me to do that | Jul 22 17:11 |
| libervisco | they're gonna succeed in branding BN as a linux outcast community if more diplomatic band aid isn't put on this soon | Jul 22 17:11 |
| schestowitz | eBay Sued By Shoe Retailer http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/22/ebay-sued-by-shoe-retailer | Jul 22 17:11 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: how do I help them? | Jul 22 17:11 |
| schestowitz | By offering proof that Microsoft is doing such stuff... | Jul 22 17:12 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: http://media.fukung.net/images/10224/7442fd5614828cb8c2a27993cb78c4d0.jpg | Jul 22 17:12 |
| libervisco | by leaving yourself open to attack.. for instance a better strategy might have been to leave Wong for a while and let him prove his case alone.. | Jul 22 17:12 |
| libervisco | immediate reaction cut that opportunity short | Jul 22 17:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: dohohohohoho | Jul 22 17:12 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't have support | Jul 22 17:12 |
| MinceR | i knew you'd like it | Jul 22 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Linsxxxxxxxx is not Linux | Jul 22 17:12 |
| schestowitz | It's anti-Linux | Jul 22 17:12 |
| schestowitz | The ones who he cites from cola are anti-Linux propagandists | Jul 22 17:13 |
| schestowitz | It's like the very opposite of what he wants to show | Jul 22 17:13 |
| schestowitz | He shows anti-Linux people as anti-BN | Jul 22 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Which shows the opposite of what's intended | Jul 22 17:13 |
| libervisco | I know, but it's apparent they're not the only ones putting a critical eye on BN.. | Jul 22 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Well, duh | Jul 22 17:14 |
| schestowitz | anti-Linux ones would | Jul 22 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | It's the classic tactixc | Jul 22 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Set up a group 'against' you | Jul 22 17:14 |
| libervisco | you say LXer is biased against BN too, and it's clearly a pro-Linux site | Jul 22 17:14 |
| schestowitz | And then pretend it favours you | Jul 22 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Think "ODF FOundation" | Jul 22 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Think About ACT | Jul 22 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to be for small biz | Jul 22 17:14 |
| schestowitz | But actually serving monopoly/ies | Jul 22 17:15 |
| libervisco | ah.. well those kinds of things are hard to prove without conjecture.. I'm not familiar with ODFF and ACT, but I am with LXer and I'm not even their big fan (I've had my scrapes with their political correctness...) | Jul 22 17:15 |
| libervisco | and they're definitely a pro-Linux site | Jul 22 17:16 |
| schestowitz | LXer has poor links | Jul 22 17:17 |
| schestowitz | No offense intended | Jul 22 17:17 |
| schestowitz | The editorship has not been good recently | Jul 22 17:17 |
| libervisco | but anyway.. I don't want to appear like telling you how you should run things.. It's a habit of mine to imagine myself in a particular position and imagine how I could handle it to prevent such things.. | Jul 22 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm on the feed and it's lots of howtos and stuff | Jul 22 17:17 |
| libervisco | well, they publish almost everything.. and I guess it's a matter of preference what people like | Jul 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: I do what I think is possible to prevent it | Jul 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | I can't control others who are provoked by others, sometimes intentionally | Jul 22 17:18 |
| fewa | Microsoft had never meant to release the drivers under the GPL, but were confronted about the legality of their binary blobs http://linux-network-plumber.blogspot.com/2009/07/congratulations-microsoft.html | Jul 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes | Jul 22 17:18 |
| fewa | that makes it make much more sense | Jul 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Better link: | Jul 22 17:19 |
| libervisco | yes, MS follows their own self interest. So do I. | Jul 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | http://passthesource.org.nz/2009/07/22/donating-code/ | Jul 22 17:19 |
| libervisco | that point, for instance never works on someone like me and I'd imagine most libertarians | Jul 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: so does the Microsoft-sponsored press or blogs | Jul 22 17:19 |
| libervisco | pointing out that some contribution they made to FOSS is self interested is no negative point for me whatsoever | Jul 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | All the Microsoft blog celebrate this | Jul 22 17:19 |
| fewa | libervisco, I have no problem with them releasing code under the GPL2, its not a bad thing. But it needs to be noticed that this code does not help Linux | Jul 22 17:20 |
| schestowitz | "We built a wooden horsie for ya!" | Jul 22 17:20 |
| libervisco | eh | Jul 22 17:20 |
| libervisco | fewa, does it harm it? | Jul 22 17:20 |
| fewa | Just like with Xen, its a method to exert some hardware side control over Linux | Jul 22 17:20 |
| libervisco | This time it's not even a patent trap is it? | Jul 22 17:20 |
| libervisco | (not to mention all software are patent traps) | Jul 22 17:21 |
| fewa | and also just to try to get a better position in virtualization | Jul 22 17:21 |
| fewa | I dont realy consider it that bad | Jul 22 17:21 |
| libervisco | of course they are :) | Jul 22 17:21 |
| fewa | libervisco, actually through the GPL2 by releasing they provide patent indemnification | Jul 22 17:21 |
| fewa | perhaps event indemnification for the whole kernel | Jul 22 17:21 |
| libervisco | why run Linux standalone if you can run it virtualized under windows | Jul 22 17:21 |
| libervisco | well good.. | Jul 22 17:22 |
| fewa | libervisco, How do you give Linux a BSOD? | Jul 22 17:22 |
| libervisco | I guess they're learning something at least.. | Jul 22 17:22 |
| fewa | ..... :P | Jul 22 17:22 |
| schestowitz | We hope | Jul 22 17:22 |
| libervisco | I mean if they GPLed this code to Linux it would be Mono all over again :D | Jul 22 17:22 |
| fewa | How do you crash Linux? | Jul 22 17:22 |
| libervisco | without patent indemnification I mean | Jul 22 17:22 |
| fewa | A: Run it on top of Windows! | Jul 22 17:22 |
| libervisco | hehe | Jul 22 17:23 |
| fewa | libervisco, but this method does not do the trickery of Novell/Microsoft that evades GPL2 | Jul 22 17:23 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Jul 22 17:23 |
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| libervisco | Eh I'm still trying to think of ways how to politely say what my problem with BN is, but it's too long so I think I'd sum it up with this: BN is a place you go to if you need more reasons to hate MS and that's the kind of crowd that it attracts, which may or may not be intentional (though it's hard to miss), but as someone who believes that the whole war with MS and the whole case for Free Software purism is one huge straw man | Jul 22 17:32 |
| libervisco | and often a self contradiction, it's simply hard to take too much of it seriously | Jul 22 17:32 |
| libervisco | I keep seeing people fight for the opposite of what they passionately believe they are fighting for.. | Jul 22 17:32 |
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| libervisco | and it's sometimes funny in a sad way and sometimes just frustrating.. because I wanna tell them that, but don't know how to express it without looking like an enemy | Jul 22 17:34 |
| libervisco | and that's that | Jul 22 17:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] UK PM petition: govt-funded galleries must release all images http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/artphotos/ please forward | Jul 22 17:39 | |
| schestowitz | libervisco: not just Microsoft | Jul 22 17:46 |
| schestowitz | We also criticise companies that generally pose threats to Freedom | Jul 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Including Apple, Nokia, Intel... | Jul 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | But as the SFLC put it, no companies does it like Microsoft | Jul 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Bradley M. Kuhn (SFLC): "Microsoft is unique among proprietary software companies: they are the only ones who have actively tried to kill Open Source and Free Software. It's not often someone wants to be your friend after trying to kill you for ten years, but such change is cause for suspicion."< | Jul 22 17:47 |
| libervisco | What about USA Inc.? :P | Jul 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | IOW, Microsoft tries to prevent me from using my OS of choice | Jul 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Just as it committed crimes to deprive OS/2 users of that privilege | Jul 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Novell/Microsoft is poison in Linux and the latest patch may be part of it | Jul 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | They advance Windows/Microsoft with patches | Jul 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Mono... | Jul 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | And Hyper-V that turns Linux to VMslave | Jul 22 17:48 |
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| tacone | ohhh happy birthday msn. 10 years of closed protocol and dis-services | Jul 22 17:51 |
| schestowitz | New troll article... | Jul 22 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Linux has a "last chance" on the desktop | Jul 22 17:53 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of troll nonsense like that. | Jul 22 17:53 |
| libervisco | Man.. analogies are just analogies not reality. There is such a thing as mixing them up too much. Poison in question doesn't exist, it's just what it is and specific events ultimately must be judged for what they are not for what particular scenarios they could fit, as there are many such possible scenarios, possibly as many as people. | Jul 22 17:58 |
| libervisco | Where is that "troll" article posted? | Jul 22 17:58 |
| libervisco | If someone posts it on his own publication it is impossible for it to be trolling, by definition. | Jul 22 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Troll article means "provoking on purpose" | Jul 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | I worked with this editor | Jul 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | He likes to change headlines... making them negative to Linux to get audience | Jul 22 18:00 |
| libervisco | not just provoking: "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or collaborative content community with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]" | Jul 22 18:01 |
| libervisco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) | Jul 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: agreed on what you said there, trolling might not be the right word, but occasionally I see it used in this contect | Jul 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | *context | Jul 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | To give an example | Jul 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | What would you call Penguin Pete against Ken? | Jul 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of a term | Jul 22 18:02 |
| libervisco | A smear campaign. | Jul 22 18:02 |
| libervisco | which is something else | Jul 22 18:02 |
| wallclimber | libervisco: If I may... | Jul 22 18:03 |
| wallclimber | BN is not perfect, it doesn't claim to be. I can only speak for myself here, but I wasn't drawn to BN because I needed "more reasons to hate Microsoft". I do not hate Microsoft, though I do dislike their business practices. I see BN as a place where those business practices are brought to light. This is important because people (like me) need to be able to make informed decisions about our computers and software. | Jul 22 18:03 |
| wallclimber | BN is more like the old town crier, it's one of the ways that information gets shared with others. People who don't agree with BN's opinions or conclusions are still free to read the original sources and make up their own minds. Even when I don't agree with Roy (and yes that happens more often than he knows) I still believe the basic information found on BN is useful and relevant to all of us. | Jul 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: OK | Jul 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | So some people do a smear campaign against Linux | Jul 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Enderle for example | Jul 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Also against GOogle and Apple | Jul 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | All Microsoft rivals | Jul 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | But the headlins don't do that | Jul 22 18:03 |
| libervisco | wallclimber, no denying BN has some useful and interesting content.. | Jul 22 18:04 |
| wallclimber | I also believe that Roy is an honorable man. | Jul 22 18:05 |
| wallclimber | BN has a LOT of useful and interesting content | Jul 22 18:05 |
| schestowitz | When choosing headlines and summaries I try to just 'compress' the home-take message | Jul 22 18:05 |
| schestowitz | It helps me find it later | Jul 22 18:05 |
| schestowitz | We have 6950 or so posts | Jul 22 18:05 |
| schestowitz | +other pages outside the blog | Jul 22 18:06 |
| libervisco | wallclimber, I doubt Roy is dishonest either so.. yeah.. that's not all necessarily the problem :) | Jul 22 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Trolls love cherry-picking | Jul 22 18:06 |
| libervisco | schestowitz, you make posts with similar titles for MS.. | Jul 22 18:06 |
| schestowitz | One mistake in a pool of tens or hundreds of thousands of things I posted publicly | Jul 22 18:06 |
| tacone | uh.. foxconn employee suicide to being suspected (and beaten) of disclosing Iphone secrets ? | Jul 22 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he was 'suicided' (sarcasm) | Jul 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I didn't read the details | Jul 22 18:07 |
| tacone | surely he was beaten by foxconn security | Jul 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | But I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that someone wanted him down and make it look like a suicide later. It's improbable, I didn't see the details. | Jul 22 18:07 |
| trmanco | msn video is going to be buried | Jul 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | There was a guy who killed his friend last year | Jul 22 18:08 |
| trmanco | once in for all | Jul 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Then pretended the phone exploded on him or something | Jul 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Or his PMP | Jul 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall | Jul 22 18:08 |
| tacone | he left a message revealing the happening before suiciding. | Jul 22 18:08 |
| trmanco | it's never lived btw,it was just in some kind a zombie state | Jul 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | tacone: ah, OK | Jul 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah... | Jul 22 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Poor MSN.. | Jul 22 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I'm starting to feel bad for them | Jul 22 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow come the results | Jul 22 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer is so emotional.. he might cry. (Naa..) | Jul 22 18:09 |
| wallclimber | it would be hard to tell the tears from the sweat | Jul 22 18:10 |
| wallclimber | he always seems so sweaty... | Jul 22 18:10 |
| wallclimber | ick | Jul 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: I take some offense in your characterisation of BN readers | Jul 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | I know you didn't entend to stereotype | Jul 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | You only get to see vocal readers | Jul 22 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Not the other 90% (say) | Jul 22 18:11 |
| schestowitz | WHo included some company execs whom I can't name for obvious reasons | Jul 22 18:11 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people read BN but don't want to be known to be reading it | Jul 22 18:11 |
| schestowitz | chrome os follow-up http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/07/chrome_os_followup.html | Jul 22 18:12 |
| fewa | schestowitz, http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=24328&Cr=ozone&Cr1= "The amount of gases which diminish ozone in the Antarctic stratosphere peaked around the year 2000." | Jul 22 18:16 |
| libervisco | schestowitz, It's just the impression I got.. and that's the impression most people would probably get which is part of the point. If it's in your interest to correct wrong impressions then well.. something would have to be done about that. | Jul 22 18:17 |
| fewa | Just shows that fast, effective, legislation and action is possible | Jul 22 18:18 |
| fewa | if the entire world agrees and participates | Jul 22 18:18 |
| libervisco | Responding with negativity wont do it though, even if you're responding *to* negativity. | Jul 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "...the United Nations World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said today. " | Jul 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks." | Jul 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: correct it how? | Jul 22 18:19 |
| fewa | the CFC banning legislation was very effective | Jul 22 18:19 |
| libervisco | with positivity obviously... | Jul 22 18:19 |
| libervisco | by example | Jul 22 18:19 |
| fewa | ~1995 or so | Jul 22 18:19 |
| fewa | but we will still be feeling the effects for decades | Jul 22 18:19 |
| wallclimber | libervisco: Putting a "positive" spin on things is Microsoft's job, they don't need help doing it. | Jul 22 18:21 |
| fewa | A picture of the hole in the ozone really helped in getting that legislation passed.... | Jul 22 18:21 |
| schestowitz | fewa: you describe this as though global warming is a revolvable problem | Jul 22 18:21 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: +1 | Jul 22 18:22 |
| libervisco | put a positive spin on your detractors, a "bone throwing" strategy, which puts in turn a positive spin on BN :P | Jul 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz | NOVL too | Jul 22 18:22 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 22 18:22 |
| libervisco | gah I could go forever with this :P | Jul 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz | libervisco: it would be poor use of time | Jul 22 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I know what you mean | Jul 22 18:23 |
| libervisco | yeah I'm realizing that :) | Jul 22 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Upgegrove suggested that I do this | Jul 22 18:23 |
| fewa | schestowitz, well if people realized what was going to happen global warming could at least be slowed down, and its progression could be tabled | Jul 22 18:23 |
| schestowitz | But I leave it for people like him to throw Microsoft a bone every now and then | Jul 22 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't have the <3 to help sleaze in exchange for credibility | Jul 22 18:24 |
| fewa | still would do horrible damage.... | Jul 22 18:24 |
| wallclimber | well, some people have said that Ballmer barks | Jul 22 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Not literally | Jul 22 18:24 |
| schestowitz | But he is saidf to have had a surgery when he tore the vocal chord in Japan while screaming | Jul 22 18:24 |
| wallclimber | barking mad? (j/k...sort of) | Jul 22 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I read that in Wikipedia and it might not be true, maybe exaggerated or fabricated | Jul 22 18:25 |
| libervisco | well it's your choice.. I don't suggest sleazing though, there are multiple ways to tell an honest truth just as there are multiple languages and slangs useful for communication, sometimes some work better than others at getting your point across in a positive manner | Jul 22 18:25 |
| fewa | lol | Jul 22 18:25 |
| fewa | iroby | Jul 22 18:25 |
| fewa | *irony | Jul 22 18:25 |
| libervisco | but anyway, need to go to my work :P | Jul 22 18:25 |
| libervisco | cya | Jul 22 18:25 |
| schestowitz | you too | Jul 22 18:26 |
| schestowitz | The mess that libass is < http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/07/mess-that-libass-is.html > | Jul 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Opera 10 Adapts Flawlessy Into Gnome Desktop - Goodbye Ugly Opera! http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/07/opera-gtk-theme.html | Jul 22 18:37 |
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| _Goblin | hi all | Jul 22 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | Howdy, cowboy | Jul 22 18:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst hi! I only use WinUae to test the features and performance of Wine. I too use the native version... | Jul 22 18:54 | |
| _Goblin | :) | Jul 22 18:54 |
| Muttley | maco: hey you never know, they might be | Jul 22 18:55 |
| Muttley | </lag> | Jul 22 18:55 |
| schestowitz | She's not here | Jul 22 18:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This comic is great! http://ping.fm/VAuEp | Jul 22 18:57 | |
| Muttley | woah, there's women in here?! ;) | Jul 22 18:57 |
| *Muttley straightens his tie | Jul 22 18:57 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, several | Jul 22 18:57 |
| _Goblin | bbl | Jul 22 18:57 |
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| _Goblin | anything happening? | Jul 22 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 22 19:11 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone just mailed me somethign intresting. | Jul 22 19:11 |
| schestowitz | http://microsoftontheissues.com/cs/blogs/mscorp/archive/2009/07/22/collaboration-competition-and-ip-in-the-real-world.aspx | Jul 22 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Read it and tell me what's wrong with the picture | Jul 22 19:12 |
| _Goblin | ok | Jul 22 19:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] how to duplicate your ubuntu install (home, sources.list, app list) http://is.gd/1HTBs | Jul 22 19:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Any of you non UK'rs that enjoy British sitcom, should look no further than "The IT crowd". Funny, techy related and geeky! Its great! | Jul 22 19:13 | |
| _Goblin | oh thats good....very good....I hate to say it, almost clever...... | Jul 22 19:14 |
| _Goblin | "We have shown our openness to licensing our patented inventions " | Jul 22 19:14 |
| _Goblin | So we openly take make for things we believe use our patents. | Jul 22 19:15 |
| _Goblin | *money | Jul 22 19:15 |
| Muttley | schestowitz: his ears are different sizes | Jul 22 19:15 |
| _Goblin | I see now...all these years Ive been wrong.... | Jul 22 19:15 |
| _Goblin | Its ok to claim IP rights....as long as you are open about it... | Jul 22 19:16 |
| _Goblin | and frequently must -- simultaneously compete and collaborate. | Jul 22 19:16 |
| _Goblin | wording should be "frequently do and at any oportunity" | Jul 22 19:17 |
| _Goblin | its a no brainer MS needs to make money...the shareholders wouldnt like it acting "for the love of computers" | Jul 22 19:17 |
| schestowitz | WHose ars? | Jul 22 19:18 |
| schestowitz | *ears | Jul 22 19:18 |
| _Goblin | not sure... | Jul 22 19:18 |
| schestowitz | I asked Muttley | Jul 22 19:18 |
| _Goblin | ag | Jul 22 19:18 |
| _Goblin | ah | Jul 22 19:18 |
| Muttley | schestowitz: you asked what was wrong with the picture :) | Jul 22 19:18 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, they mix GPL and patents | Jul 22 19:18 |
| schestowitz | They poison it ina way | Jul 22 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Muttley: no, the text | Jul 22 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Just the proverb | Jul 22 19:19 |
| _Goblin | this article says nothing that we don't already know.... | Jul 22 19:19 |
| Muttley | ahh, i see | Jul 22 19:19 |
| _Goblin | and for the casual observer it may appear happy and fluffy...this changes nothing. | Jul 22 19:19 |
| _Goblin | its common sense that MS would want to remove ANY competitor and any guestures made to the Opensource community IMO will be ones that benefit them. As I say a proprietary firm doesnt run on kind guestures. | Jul 22 19:20 |
| _Goblin | * them being MS. | Jul 22 19:20 |
| _Goblin | this article has just dressed up what we already know. | Jul 22 19:21 |
| _Goblin | "An objective observer looking at these developments should take them for what they are: " | Jul 22 19:21 |
| _Goblin | yes, MS likes to tell people what we "should" be seeing. | Jul 22 19:21 |
| _Goblin | bit like Vista. Users complained, Microsoft blamed.... | Jul 22 19:22 |
| _Goblin | sort of catchy eh? | Jul 22 19:22 |
| Muttley | what did Melco have to license from ms? | Jul 22 19:23 |
| No one knows, Muttley. The deal was secret, as usual. | Jul 22 19:29 | |
| The usual extortion. | Jul 22 19:29 | |
| "Pay us in licensing or pay more in court costs." | Jul 22 19:30 | |
| http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/219107 | Jul 22 19:30 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 22 19:33 |
| _Goblin | hi | Jul 22 19:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] bad computer shops busted: http://bit.ly/hamNz | Jul 22 19:38 | |
| Muttley | well I guess the buffalo NAS stuff is to cover FAT, but I dunno what the router is for | Jul 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | fewa: svn still doesn't work | Jul 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I tried "require_once('extensions/Cite/Cite.php')" with what's in "/trunk/extensions/Cite/" | Jul 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't work | Jul 22 19:39 |
| fewa | yarg | Jul 22 19:40 |
| fewa | and mediawiki is used by alot of people | Jul 22 19:40 |
| schestowitz | svn ought to have one for this version of the software | Jul 22 19:40 |
| fewa | you should file buy | Jul 22 19:40 |
| fewa | https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ | Jul 22 19:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to the great track of all time......Louie Louie by The Kingsmen! http://bit.ly/18DfYC | Jul 22 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/Cite | Jul 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Choose continue on anything and see what happens (since like Saturday) | Jul 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | "svn: Working copy '/mnt/upload5/private/ExtensionDistributor/mw-snapshot/branches/REL1_13/extensions' locked | Jul 22 19:42 |
| schestowitz | svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) | Jul 22 19:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 22 19:42 |
| schestowitz | How mono (monkey) tuirns FOSS developers to Microsoft code monkeys: http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/22/does-mono-hurt-microsoft/ | Jul 22 19:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | monocultre | Jul 22 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | :D :D :D :D | Jul 22 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I love that word now | Jul 22 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its insulting and factual all in one go | Jul 22 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Let's live in harmony | Jul 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Under Microsoft's control | Jul 22 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, you could fit like a family of four in an xbox.... | Jul 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | That would be cruel. These toys go up in flames | Jul 22 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Remond Rig of Death (RRoD) | Jul 22 20:06 |
| schestowitz | *Redmond Ring | Jul 22 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Haha. http://www.penguinpetes.com/images/Microsoft_Taliban.jpg | Jul 22 20:12 |
| schestowitz | From http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=who_are_the_real_zealots_part_2&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Jul 22 20:12 |
| schestowitz | News Of Solaris's Death Is Greatly Exaggerated < http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/07/news_of_solaris.html;jsessionid=LQZRZSE2OKPY4QSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN > [says Sun?] | Jul 22 20:19 |
| trmanco | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=who_are_the_real_zealots_part_2&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Jul 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Android Live CD: Not Quite There Yet http://www.igneousquill.net/2009/07/android-live-cd-not-quite-there-yet.html | Jul 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I've just pasted it | Jul 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Part 1 was about BN | Jul 22 20:20 |
| trmanco | ah crap | Jul 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | No, in our defense | Jul 22 20:20 |
| trmanco | I should scroll back before posting, sorry about that | Jul 22 20:20 |
| trmanco | should have* | Jul 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | He's a BN proponent on the face of it | Jul 22 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will be hugely demoralied tomorrow | Jul 22 20:22 |
| trmanco | I've read part one | Jul 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | They are likely to have the trolls curse to divert attention somehow to something else | Jul 22 20:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [unlikely] Microsoft's next operating system may start from BSD http://ping.fm/KEMa0 | Jul 22 20:23 | |
| Diablo-D3 | wow | Jul 22 20:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | that'd be actually | Jul 22 20:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | a good idea | Jul 22 20:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | they could catch up to osx | Jul 22 20:24 |
| schestowitz | How? | Jul 22 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Too little, too late | Jul 22 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Gamble | Jul 22 20:24 |
| schestowitz | No compat, hardly | Jul 22 20:25 |
| schestowitz | They could use wine :-D | Jul 22 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | depends how they fuck it up | Jul 22 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | but having a well understood core OS would improve microsoft's desktop experience several fold | Jul 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Talk about REVERSAL: Is Oracle Getting Ready To Kill Unbreakable Linux? http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/07/is-oracle-getting-ready-to-kil.html | Jul 22 20:27 |
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| Balrog | oracle should just gpl solaris | Jul 22 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: improve Microsoft's desktop Windows experience, well most computer users are locked in to it anyway, even though it's not that great really | Jul 22 20:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Microsoft announces haldheld XBox http://is.gd/1HYFl (and they really were going to call it the ZuneX at one stage) | Jul 22 20:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @lorddrayson Calling all scientists! Your personal favourite pure research project? Fundamental research with no commercial application. | Jul 22 20:46 | |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but its inefficient | Jul 22 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no one has time for inefficiency | Jul 22 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | it costs too much money | Jul 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: you do realise what post this came from, right? | Jul 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | What are you doing posting out of context stuff to turn people against us? | Jul 22 20:55 |
| _Goblin | Roy: Mark my words theres something up with that one.... | Jul 22 21:00 |
| _Goblin | Roy: Thought it from day 1. | Jul 22 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | what? | Jul 22 21:01 |
| _Goblin | in relation to a certain user here. | Jul 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I know.. | Jul 22 21:02 |
| schestowitz | More than one | Jul 22 21:03 |
| _Goblin | yep. | Jul 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | There are people here who come only to collect dirt and smear the site | Jul 22 21:03 |
| _Goblin | an agressive Linux advocate per chance? | Jul 22 21:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: really? | Jul 22 21:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | why bother? | Jul 22 21:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like microsoft is going to survive | Jul 22 21:03 |
| _Goblin | just changed my site a little.... | Jul 22 21:05 |
| _Goblin | got a picture of a very hansome gentleman on the front page now. | Jul 22 21:05 |
| _Goblin | I expect the fan mail and admirers will start coming in within seconds..... | Jul 22 21:06 |
| _Goblin | any second now.... | Jul 22 21:06 |
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| _Goblin | maybe the net is down around the world..... :( | Jul 22 21:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | so yeah | Jul 22 21:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should write a clone of slashcode or something | Jul 22 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | that gives everyone 100% voting powers | Jul 22 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | but your power is based on how you've been voted on | Jul 22 21:07 |
| _Goblin | what do you think of my phrase I've just thought of: | Jul 22 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | so if you're a dickhole, your voting power is diminished | Jul 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb is associated with Unity (Mono) | Jul 22 21:07 |
| _Goblin | ""Do unto others as they do unto Gnu" | Jul 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | And cj is with Mono (and formerly Microsoft, still smearing the site and its people) | Jul 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Do they belong here? | Jul 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Only as trolls/hecklers, I think | Jul 22 21:08 |
| Balrog | _Goblin: what's your site ...? | Jul 22 21:08 |
| _Goblin | www.openbytes.wordpress.com | Jul 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: watch the language, please | Jul 22 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | fine fine | Jul 22 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | "microsoft employees" | Jul 22 21:09 |
| _Goblin | yep...more than one. | Jul 22 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | so | Jul 22 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should take a break from my java app | Jul 22 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | and work on a new java app | Jul 22 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | or maybe not | Jul 22 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Should we all switch to BSD? < http://blogs.ubuntu-nl.org/dennis/2009/07/21/should-we-all-switch-to-bsd/ > | Jul 22 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Alan Pope : "I think you mean GNU/Hurd" | Jul 22 21:12 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: that system can be gamed by making lots of dummy accounts and voting each other up | Jul 22 21:12 |
| Balrog | _Goblin: did you see the comments? | Jul 22 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yes, but that wont work | Jul 22 21:13 |
| MinceR | why? | Jul 22 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: because you start with 0 power, and only go down from there | Jul 22 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | :D | Jul 22 21:13 |
| MinceR | so they'll make 1 karmawhore post per account and then vote up each other | Jul 22 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the karmawhore post has to work | Jul 22 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, lets say I give admins 100x power | Jul 22 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | they manage to modwhore in | Jul 22 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | then I come by and rape them | Jul 22 21:14 |
| MinceR | hm, actually i think 1 karmawhore post could be enough | Jul 22 21:14 |
| MinceR | that account could give 1 power to the others | Jul 22 21:14 |
| MinceR | and then back to the old method | Jul 22 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | but it doesnt give them any actual power | Jul 22 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they gain, say, 5 points with that karmawhore account | Jul 22 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | then they spread the karma whoring around | Jul 22 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | then I get up out of bed | Jul 22 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | check the site | Jul 22 21:15 |
| MinceR | or points are spent when they're used for modding? | Jul 22 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then negate all the shitty comments | Jul 22 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | so they have... -95 points. | Jul 22 21:15 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 22 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | per account. | Jul 22 21:15 |
| MinceR | hm, if you have negative power, do your mods count in opposite? :> | Jul 22 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: nope, even better | Jul 22 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | it nukes votes that are below 0 | Jul 22 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and may even automod comments and posts you make | Jul 22 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Jul 22 21:16 |
| Balrog | It shouldn't nuke votes that are below 0 right away : | Jul 22 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | imagine digg without the suck | Jul 22 21:17 |
| Balrog | :\ | Jul 22 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | balrog: it will | Jul 22 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you cant view the score | Jul 22 21:17 |
| *MinceR imagines digg without crApple cultists | Jul 22 21:17 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you'll get some weak mathamatical bullshit score | Jul 22 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | based on stars | Jul 22 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you're not told what the stars mean or if they're even linear | Jul 22 21:17 |
| MinceR | or if they're even deterministic | Jul 22 21:18 |
| MinceR | or correlated with the score in any way :> | Jul 22 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | or if they're not rand() | Jul 22 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | that changes every time you refresh the page | Jul 22 21:18 |
| _Goblin | balrog: Which ones? | Jul 22 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and thats another thing | Jul 22 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could modify scores randomly | Jul 22 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | every time its evaluated | Jul 22 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | so Im an admin, I have perma-100 points | Jul 22 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | but it may be 110 some times, 90 some times, 102 the next time, etc | Jul 22 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | so people close to 0 can edge in | Jul 22 21:20 |
| Balrog | hmm nvm, _Goblin | Jul 22 21:20 |
| _Goblin | balrog: ok. | Jul 22 21:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is quite big: Open Source For America coalition formed < http://ping.fm/0fWk5 > | Jul 22 21:22 | |
| schestowitz | Response to “12 ideas Ubuntu should steal from Windows 7″ "Final score: Ubuntu: 6. Windows: 5. On issues that were supposed to play to Windows’ strengths and Ubuntu’s weaknesses. Sigh." http://blog.tsmacdonald.com/archives/388 | Jul 22 21:22 |
| MinceR | pwnt | Jul 22 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_viFPg4U1HOw/SmYTQjcktCI/AAAAAAAABMY/XnN9Dx0xJ5g/s1600-h/default+desktop.png | Jul 22 21:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "First Google Chrome OS screenshots leaked? Update: it's a fake" http://ping.fm/SdFz6 | Jul 22 21:24 | |
| schestowitz | WTF? the FSF is gaming review forums against Swindle | Jul 22 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It should go this far. | Jul 22 21:25 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: url? | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Civil revolt from DBD | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: E-mail | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | ==== | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Dear DRM Elimination Team, | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | This week's Kindle action is going great; together we've generated hundreds of 1-star reviews and tags. | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Then there was a great post in Slate by Farhad Manjoo, Amazon's top "expert reviewer" on the Kindle's product page, retracting his recommendation. This would be a perfect article to share with friends and co-workers, to introduce them to the problem of DRM: http://www.slate.com/id/2223214/ (diggable at http://digg.com/d3y1yn). | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | If you haven't written a review yet, here are direct links to the review forms. Take a few minutes to explain to potential Kindle buyers why they shouldn't get one: | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | === | Jul 22 21:26 |
| Balrog | well it worked for Spore :) | Jul 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jul 22 21:27 |
| schestowitz | It's unethical nonetheless IMHO | Jul 22 21:27 |
| schestowitz | It fights an unethical dRM conspiracy though | Jul 22 21:27 |
| schestowitz | In this case Amazon+MAFIAA | Jul 22 21:27 |
| Balrog | I'm sure alot of people are pissed though | Jul 22 21:28 |
| Balrog | like what happened with spore | Jul 22 21:28 |
| Balrog | command and conquer will probably be worse | Jul 22 21:28 |
| Balrog | it requires a persistent internet connection even for single player mode | Jul 22 21:28 |
| Balrog | and they say 'that's not drm' | Jul 22 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's surveillance and suspicion by default | Jul 22 21:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Company Sees Great Growth http://ping.fm/y3rdM | Jul 22 21:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux and Free Software Seen as Growing in China (Study) http://ping.fm/aPoFm | Jul 22 21:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Leads to Regret... That Migration to It Did Not Start Sooner http://ping.fm/K3dov | Jul 22 21:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux and Free Software Attacked by Microsoft (Not the Other Way Around) http://ping.fm/Xz3yV | Jul 22 21:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazon Pays Back the "You Must Want Windows" Money http://ping.fm/X52q0 | Jul 22 21:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Modern GNU/Linux Compared to Mac OS X http://ping.fm/hGUMs | Jul 22 22:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] gmail protection from phishers (currently only eBay/PayPal, more to come) http://is.gd/1I1Uc | Jul 22 22:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz amazing, isn't it? they deserve the #amazonwin hashtag for that http://ping.fm/X52q0 | Jul 22 22:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Demo of GNU/Linux with Eye Candy in Virtual Machine (VirtualBox 3.0.0) http://ping.fm/ADAuv | Jul 22 22:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #swindle might work better, @davidgerard | Jul 22 22:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz carrots as well as sticks to encourage them in the right direction ;-) | Jul 22 22:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Knoppix (GNU/Linux) Seen as Better Than Windows, Vista Called "Most Terrible" http://ping.fm/H0CBQ | Jul 22 22:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard http://ping.fm/LIJSW | Jul 22 22:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I never buried in Digg, @grobertson | Jul 22 22:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How GNU/Linux Puts Back Choice in Computing http://ping.fm/LXlA5 | Jul 22 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | *should have said "Bury" | Jul 22 22:12 |
| MinceR | 'DRM by any other name' is the new DRM | Jul 22 22:14 |
| MinceR | Buryy? | Jul 22 22:15 |
| MinceR | i prefer to call it Dungg | Jul 22 22:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kernel Conference Coverage; UnionsFS and ChunkFS Overview http://ping.fm/jTYvf | Jul 22 22:16 | |
| schestowitz | Bury or Dung? | Jul 22 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Or both? (buring the Dung) | Jul 22 22:18 |
| schestowitz | *ry | Jul 22 22:18 |
| MinceR | gotta keep the doubled last letter :> | Jul 22 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jul 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Well... | Jul 22 22:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Anti-'Virus' for GNU/Linux: Fail http://ping.fm/u2A4y | Jul 22 22:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] John Carmack Talks and Groks GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/AlPj1 | Jul 22 22:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Game Sales Proving to be a Success http://ping.fm/KLgTY | Jul 22 22:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Games Ported to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/q6GbT | Jul 22 22:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SliTaz 2.0 (Light GNU/Linux) in Review http://ping.fm/vjnO3 | Jul 22 22:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Reviews of sidux 2009.02 (Debian GNU/Linux "Unstable") http://ping.fm/FAewW http://ping.fm/dfUsv | Jul 22 22:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gentoo to Turn 10 Years Old http://ping.fm/3Z9K0 | Jul 22 22:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mandriva Just Works, as Usual http://ping.fm/UH766 | Jul 22 22:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Goes Big: Red Hat-branded Computer Mice http://ping.fm/pG9IK | Jul 22 22:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora 11 Experiences and RPM Fusion http://ping.fm/ErP4G | Jul 22 22:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the Beta of Ubuntu Christian Edition 5.0 http://ping.fm/0NUuA | Jul 22 22:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New Reviews of Ubuntu Derivative CrunchBang http://ping.fm/GKY0J http://ping.fm/o1Kga | Jul 22 22:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [Ubuntu Has Applications Store, Meaning Analysed http://ping.fm/cGrKn | Jul 22 22:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNOME Desktop Gets Some More Polish (Jono Bacon Updates) http://ping.fm/ayg0R http://ping.fm/rdn8G | Jul 22 23:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Linux-powered GP2X Wiz http://ping.fm/HZqHn | Jul 22 23:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz "app store" strikes me as a useful way to explain repositories to win/mac users. every iphone user or wannabe user gets it. | Jul 22 23:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Palm's Use of Linux Puts It in Good Position, Open Development http://ping.fm/SALQn | Jul 22 23:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another New Sub-notebook Runs GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/qIbiD | Jul 22 23:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Acer Extensa 15" Linux Notebook Comes with GNU/Linux Preinstalled http://ping.fm/jhZMp | Jul 22 23:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz where's the "antivirus" bit in that link? | Jul 22 23:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Still "ALIVE and WELL!" on Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/0DptE | Jul 22 23:10 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | man | Jul 22 23:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have turned into some sort of post-Apple fanboy | Jul 22 23:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | ie, Im a fan of that period of time shortly after new Apple shit comes out | Jul 22 23:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know, when everyone else does the same thing better, cheaper, faster, and less aluminum grey. | Jul 22 23:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | (and/or glossy black) | Jul 22 23:30 |
| fewa | thats sweet http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Various/GP2X+Wiz/hardware_review.asp?c=14461 | Jul 22 23:36 |
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| Diablo-D3 | yeah, the gp2x series is neat | Jul 22 23:50 |
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