| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenVPN Wins Top Security Rating http://ping.fm/LkmNt | Jul 24 00:02 | |
| wallclimber | Here's an interview with Bill Gates where he pleads for the sick children, and expresses joy at Microsoft having "LOTS" of competition | Jul 24 00:05 |
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| wallclimber | http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Kids-are-dying-why-cant-we-move-faster-Gates/articleshow/4813862.cms | Jul 24 00:05 |
| wallclimber | he's also "passionate" about creative capitalism... | Jul 24 00:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Larry Lessig's "Reboot FCC" Article Becomes a Web Site http://ping.fm/dYYbL | Jul 24 00:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: That poor girl was naked and had to be at a job interview in an hour. http://is.gd/1Jse4 http://is.gd/1Jsf5 | Jul 24 00:06 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, pour me a river for poor Gates | Jul 24 00:06 |
| schestowitz | *Cry | Jul 24 00:06 |
| fewa | Then came some straight-faced humour. "You might forget the names of our competitors, because we competed very effectively." A wry smile followed. "There was a company called IBM." | Jul 24 00:06 |
| fewa | "competed very effectively", aka cheated | Jul 24 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Bush is like Kerry here | Jul 24 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Pretendign to speak for the poor while exploiting them for profit | Jul 24 00:06 |
| wallclimber | well, if Microsoft bellies-up at least BillG's kids won't be too disappointed, 'cuz he doesn't want to leave them anything anyway | Jul 24 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Poor kids... | Jul 24 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Will have leave them just 9-digit figures? | Jul 24 00:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] YouTube Shows MAFIAAless Succeess http://ping.fm/5Lfhp | Jul 24 00:09 | |
| schestowitz | It's all PR BTW | Jul 24 00:10 |
| wallclimber | yes, one wonders how Bill would have done if his parents hadn't given him lots of help | Jul 24 00:10 |
| schestowitz | "Given"? | Jul 24 00:10 |
| schestowitz | They still do | Jul 24 00:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Just noticed your "Wanted" poster "Linux advocates have Gnutee's" LOL :-) | Jul 24 00:12 | |
| wallclimber | I always hope both Bill and Steve's kids grow up to be freedom loving little hippies... | Jul 24 00:12 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 24 00:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Associated Bullies (AP) Accused of 'Stealing' Stories and Photos/Faces http://ping.fm/QTgEq | Jul 24 00:13 | |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: yeah, well... tell me when they get that private jet to Burning Man | Jul 24 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Guess who will do the burniing.. | Jul 24 00:14 |
| wallclimber | i think it will be interesting to see how all those kids turn out | Jul 24 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Ng Samba is going to provide the ADS. IBM and Orcale are both talking about being full solutions providers. | Jul 24 00:15 |
| wallclimber | I figure bill's kids will all be lawyers | Jul 24 00:15 |
| wallclimber | and steve's will all move as far away from him as they can | Jul 24 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Ng Orcale is a lot more than just a database company. There aquirements have been to turn themselves into a full solution provider. | Jul 24 00:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft 'Stole' Emotiflag from IBM and Then Patented it http://ping.fm/qVgk3 | Jul 24 00:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst It came to me in an idea I am running for an article. So far I found a relationship between Linux and beards! | Jul 24 00:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO vs. Linux Scandal Update http://ping.fm/3GNIt | Jul 24 00:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Tells Microsoft to Drop the Racketeering Strategy http://ping.fm/ixD0t http://ping.fm/DsjcT http://ping.fm/JloCi | Jul 24 00:22 | |
| fewa | schestowitz, ugh that first link is patent FUD | Jul 24 00:24 |
| fewa | second much better | Jul 24 00:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 is Fat and Released Prematurely Due to Pressures http://ping.fm/6o4K2 | Jul 24 00:26 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: yeah | Jul 24 00:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ASUS AstroTurf Bbogging (Using Competition) Similar to Microosft's http://ping.fm/1PMAz | Jul 24 00:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #radio4 Bigipedia is just about perfect. Exactly how browsing #wikipedia feels, in audio form. http://is.gd/1JtXW | Jul 24 00:41 | |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E | Jul 24 00:42 | |
| _Goblin | I see Astral Knight has returned with a vengence... | Jul 24 00:46 |
| _Goblin | I wonder the reason for his impromtu break? | Jul 24 00:47 |
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| yuhong | The <video> version of this video seems to be broken. | Jul 24 01:26 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/17/richard-m-stallman-on-c-sharp | Jul 24 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | who? | Jul 24 01:26 |
| yuhong | I tried with Firefox 3.5. | Jul 24 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was asking _Goblin that =P | Jul 24 01:31 |
| fewa | hmm the file is there | Jul 24 01:31 |
| fewa | i was able to download it | Jul 24 01:31 |
| still using windows, yuhong? | Jul 24 01:32 | |
| yuhong | Linux now. I dual-boot. | Jul 24 01:32 |
| fewa | it doesnt work in my Linux either | Jul 24 01:32 |
| fewa | Firefox 3.5 | Jul 24 01:32 |
| fewa | let me check headers | Jul 24 01:32 |
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| Diablo-D3 | ye gods another goblin | Jul 24 01:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: whos astral knight? | Jul 24 01:33 |
| eh, right click open in new tab works for me. | Jul 24 01:33 | |
| woops, I take that back. | Jul 24 01:34 | |
| yuhong | BTW, the unfortunate thing about the Firefox 3.5 package in Ubuntu 9.04, even though they did update it to the final version, is that it is still branded Shiretoko. | Jul 24 01:34 |
| _Goblin_ | astra knight is a poster on twitter... | Jul 24 01:34 |
| yuhong | Extends even to the user-agent, causing compatibility problems with web sites. | Jul 24 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 24 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | file a bug | Jul 24 01:35 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, try setting type="video/ogg" | Jul 24 01:38 |
| fewa | ahhhh | Jul 24 01:38 |
| fewa | your apache is shipping it as text/plain | Jul 24 01:38 |
| fewa | thats why it doesnt work | Jul 24 01:38 |
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| parolang | I'm not worried about the Microsoft Linux code, it's GPLed afterall. | Jul 24 01:39 |
| parolang | And the Linux developers are no fools, if the code was bad they wouldn't accept it. | Jul 24 01:39 |
| it's a module that won't see much use. | Jul 24 01:39 | |
| parolang | The GPL has an implied patent license too. | Jul 24 01:39 |
| fewa | schestowitz, of edit /etc/mime-types | Jul 24 01:39 |
| parolang | twitter: I hope so. | Jul 24 01:39 |
| what kind of fool wants to run gnu/linux on top of Winblows? | Jul 24 01:40 | |
| It's like shoving your daughter out the door in Sodom. | Jul 24 01:40 | |
| Diablo-D3 | change of subject time | Jul 24 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/ctFh3aquN9M/jeff-bezos-issues-a-personal-apology-for-kindle-debacle | Jul 24 01:40 |
| parolang | twitter: Honestly, I don't see the market for spending money buying an OS to run a no-cost OS on top of it. | Jul 24 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | "This is an apology for the way we previously handled illegally sold copies of 1984 and other novels on Kindle. Our "solution" to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles. It is wholly self-inflicted, and we deserve the criticism we've received. We will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match our mission." | Jul 24 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | -- Jeff Bezos | Jul 24 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | illllleeeggallly sold? | Jul 24 01:41 |
| yuhong | I remember doing this on VMware, but I now dual-boot. | Jul 24 01:41 |
| me neither, especially from the likes of M$. | Jul 24 01:41 | |
| Diablo-D3 | doohohohohohohoho | Jul 24 01:41 |
| yuhong | I remember doing this using VMware, but I now dual-boot. | Jul 24 01:41 |
| M$, "Where don't you want to go today?" | Jul 24 01:41 | |
| parolang | Diablo-D3: http://www.fsf.org/news/amazon-apologizes | Jul 24 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I actually have to give to amazon here | Jul 24 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | they admitted they fucked up | Jul 24 01:42 |
| parolang | Diablo-D3: No, the problem is DRM in the first place. | Jul 24 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | parolang: cant help i | Jul 24 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | *it | Jul 24 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant trust people, because they want to give money to you | Jul 24 01:43 |
| yuhong | To be honest, VMware ESX wasn't exactly no-cost either. | Jul 24 01:43 |
| parolang | Diablo-D3: They are apologizing for using their power, not for having too much power. | Jul 24 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | parolang: yes, so? | Jul 24 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres nothing wrong with power | Jul 24 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | its when you use it you're guilty | Jul 24 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're never guilty of having any | Jul 24 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise, say, anything GPL is guilty of having power | Jul 24 01:43 |
| parolang | Diablo-D3: There is when it's zero-sum, and people don't have rights to their own devices. | Jul 24 01:44 |
| "going forward" I hate that empty phrase. Do they think they have a time machine or something? | Jul 24 01:44 | |
| Diablo-D3 | parolang: ahh, but they _do_ have rights to their own devices | Jul 24 01:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just a little more difficult to exercise them | Jul 24 01:44 |
| parolang | Diablo-D3: The GPL takes power away from developers and gives it to users. | Jul 24 01:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, that whole "LOL WE'LL SUE PEOPLE WHO ENCODE MP3s" thing | Jul 24 01:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | guess what RIAA, I have a right, and I'm exercising it | Jul 24 01:44 |
| GPL takes power away from owners. Developers and owners are not the same thing at all. | Jul 24 01:45 | |
| Diablo-D3 | "LOL DECSS, SUE SUE SUE" | Jul 24 01:45 |
| fewa | ^ | Jul 24 01:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont think so Tim | Jul 24 01:45 |
| fewa | it empowers more developers | Jul 24 01:45 |
| parolang | twitter: semantics | Jul 24 01:45 |
| parolang | twitter: Strictly speaking, a company can be a developer to if they hire developers. | Jul 24 01:45 |
| parolang | fewa: It does, but that's because developers are users too. | Jul 24 01:46 |
| fewa | true | Jul 24 01:46 |
| fewa | it empowers people to use the technology to its fullest potential | Jul 24 01:46 |
| parolang | fewa: Strictly speaking, it's legal power that the GPL takes away from developers. | Jul 24 01:46 |
| Words matter. Time/Warner owns a lot of code. The people who own TW are not developers at all. | Jul 24 01:46 | |
| parolang | fewa: But that's because copyright grants them too much power. | Jul 24 01:46 |
| fewa | parolang, no it gives rights, rights to copy the software under its terms | Jul 24 01:46 |
| fewa | but yes, the power of copyright is purposefully so great as to allow publishers to buy it up | Jul 24 01:47 |
| GPL gives power to computer owners of all kinds. It protects people's rights to make code do what they want it to do, regardless of who they are. | Jul 24 01:47 | |
| parolang | fewa: Maybe it's a different kind of power. I'd have to think about it :) | Jul 24 01:47 |
| fewa | because authors have not until now been organized | Jul 24 01:47 |
| fewa | and one author does not have much power | Jul 24 01:47 |
| Just go read the four software freedoms. | Jul 24 01:47 | |
| parolang | twitter: agreed | Jul 24 01:47 |
| parolang | twitter: Big fan of the GNU project :) | Jul 24 01:48 |
| fewa | Its protects the rights to do whatever you want | Jul 24 01:48 |
| Software owners want to take that power away from you. Patents are their new weapon. | Jul 24 01:48 | |
| fewa | as long as it doesn't trample on others ability to do those things | Jul 24 01:48 |
| bbl | Jul 24 01:48 | |
| parolang | patents :( | Jul 24 01:48 |
| parolang | fewa: right | Jul 24 01:48 |
| fewa | government granted monopolies | Jul 24 01:49 |
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| yuhong | Yep, they are trying to use software patents to do what software copyright formerly did. | Jul 24 01:49 |
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| fewa | much more | Jul 24 01:49 |
| yuhong | And both are government granted monopolies. | Jul 24 01:49 |
| fewa | take away the right to learn from collective knowledge | Jul 24 01:49 |
| fewa | by giving monopolies on idea | Jul 24 01:50 |
| fewa | copyright only gives power over expression | Jul 24 01:50 |
| fewa | although copyright on binary programs streaches this quite a bit..... | Jul 24 01:50 |
| fewa | as copyright must be on "authors..respective writings..." | Jul 24 01:50 |
| fewa | and authors do not write binaries | Jul 24 01:50 |
| fewa | its purly functional | Jul 24 01:51 |
| parolang | But...you know the other problem? Web applications. | Jul 24 01:51 |
| parolang | I think BKuhn remarked as to whether the AGPL will have to become the new GPL when you consider web applications. | Jul 24 01:51 |
| parolang | But there's some good precedent with the AGPLing of Launchpad for example. | Jul 24 01:52 |
| fewa | If we fallowed the Pennsylvania Convention's original intent, binaries would never have been copyrightable. | Jul 24 01:52 |
| fewa | The problem is when copyright is used to restrict the ability of people to get things done, to use the utilites around them, to restrict the learning and progress of others. | Jul 24 01:55 |
| fewa | To make users helpless | Jul 24 01:55 |
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| yuhong | So, unfortunately the broken <video> problem I described is still not fixed. | Jul 24 02:07 |
| fewa | i explained how to fix it | Jul 24 02:08 |
| fewa | schestowitz, | Jul 24 02:08 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/17/richard-m-stallman-on-c-sharp/ | Jul 24 02:08 |
| yuhong | I even posted it as a comment. | Jul 24 02:08 |
| yuhong | wrong MIME type basically. | Jul 24 02:08 |
| fewa | 3 ways: 1. add type="video/ogg" to <video> 2. change extention to .ogg 3. add to /etc/mime-types ogv-->video/ogg | Jul 24 02:09 |
| fewa | geeze the trolls | Jul 24 02:11 |
| fewa | off topic comments should be removed | Jul 24 02:11 |
| notzed | at least in oz, binaries === source as far as copyright goes (afaik). it's treated something like a translation | Jul 24 02:20 |
| fewa | the thing is is that binaries are useless to anything but the machine | Jul 24 02:21 |
| fewa | they cant be read | Jul 24 02:21 |
| notzed | well they can be, it's just more difficult | Jul 24 02:22 |
| fewa | They are purly functional, and copyright is only suppose to cover creative expression of human beings | Jul 24 02:22 |
| yuhong | Yep, I personally disassembled several binaries using IDA Pro and objdump. | Jul 24 02:22 |
| fewa | hardware is not copyrightable | Jul 24 02:22 |
| yuhong | This is often called reverse-engineering. | Jul 24 02:22 |
| fewa | even if it might be the embodiment of a copyrightable design document | Jul 24 02:23 |
| notzed | anyway was just saying that's how the law here sees it. it's just the same as a translation is. | Jul 24 02:23 |
| fewa | hmm, i dont know under what pretense US law copyrights binaries | Jul 24 02:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] "Mind-Boggling", Obama takes same position as Bush on Wiretapping: no right to hold government accountable http://is.gd/1JATI | Jul 24 02:30 | |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 24 02:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I love how that spins that | Jul 24 02:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, obama wants to bury as much bush shit as fast as possible before it breaks the nation | Jul 24 02:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | imo I think he should just pardon everybody | Jul 24 02:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | it makes them instantly guilty | Jul 24 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and forces everyone to move on | Jul 24 02:31 |
| fewa | but by burying dont you mean he should reverse the broken policies? | Jul 24 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: well, he cant | Jul 24 02:31 |
| fewa | instead of only tightening the iron curtain? | Jul 24 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | we can, but he cant | Jul 24 02:31 |
| fewa | ahh | Jul 24 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its up to us to preserve the constitution | Jul 24 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | the president is only there to make sure we can | Jul 24 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | right now obama has his hands full with basically everything bush ever did | Jul 24 02:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | the war: bush's fault | Jul 24 02:32 |
| fewa | Why cant he? | Jul 24 02:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | the current state of health care: bush's fault | Jul 24 02:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | the bad state of the economy: bush's fault | Jul 24 02:32 |
| fewa | Obama has created a new war in pakistan. | Jul 24 02:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | not at all | Jul 24 02:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | the war in afganistan moved | Jul 24 02:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | which, again, is bush's fault | Jul 24 02:32 |
| fewa | But on health care: Its the most important thing in holding together this nation | Jul 24 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Jul 24 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a multi issue problem | Jul 24 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | obama does really have to focus on EVERYTHING to make sure no single thing can break the nation | Jul 24 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | because everything bush left behind is a ticking time bomb | Jul 24 02:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | he has to defuse all the bombs | Jul 24 02:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, what we, the american people, have to do is recall pretty much the whole senate | Jul 24 02:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres maybe 5 or 10 people who consistently vote in favor of the american people | Jul 24 02:34 |
| fewa | http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/why-does-us-health-care-cost-so-much-part-i/ | Jul 24 02:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who votes against obama for the wrong reasons does so to promote terrorism | Jul 24 02:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | now | Jul 24 02:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | if they said "I vote no on this bill because there is no way any of my fellow congressmen could have read this 500 bill" | Jul 24 02:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | then they're awesome people | Jul 24 02:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | er 500 page | Jul 24 02:36 |
| fewa | yes | Jul 24 02:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | if they said "I vote no on this bill because Bush is totally awesome" | Jul 24 02:36 |
| fewa | http://readthebill.org/ | Jul 24 02:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | then they are total faggots and should be shot for terrorism | Jul 24 02:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who votes against more spending on health, more spending on education, more spending on science, less spending on the military, etc etc is a moron | Jul 24 02:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they're not an American | Jul 24 02:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I dont want them in this country | Jul 24 02:37 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, do not replace one form of tyranny with a far more iron curtain | Jul 24 02:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not | Jul 24 02:37 |
| fewa | But yes, representative must read the bills | Jul 24 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who votes against the constitution and our founding father's wishes is helping increase tyranny | Jul 24 02:38 |
| fewa | they should be paid enough to hire staffers that can research the bills for them | Jul 24 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who votes against the american people votes for terrorism | Jul 24 02:38 |
| fewa | instead of listening to lobbyists | Jul 24 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im tired of it | Jul 24 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | 95% congress needs to be recalled | Jul 24 02:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it needs to be done today | Jul 24 02:39 |
| fewa | yes they have a 99% incumbant rate.... | Jul 24 02:39 |
| fewa | *yet | Jul 24 02:39 |
| fewa | Lessig is working hard in this realm | Jul 24 02:40 |
| fewa | http://change-congress.org/ | Jul 24 02:40 |
| fewa | Souter resigned cause he couldnt deal with it... | Jul 24 02:42 |
| fewa | got tired | Jul 24 02:42 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I already know about CC | Jul 24 02:44 |
| fewa | ive been getting the email updates | Jul 24 02:44 |
| fewa | I am impressed | Jul 24 02:45 |
| fewa | well...they seem good | Jul 24 02:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | freepress is another interesting group | Jul 24 02:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're the ones behind savetheinternet.com | Jul 24 02:46 |
| fewa | ahhh | Jul 24 02:46 |
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| fewa | u read on the Broadband Conduit Deployment Act? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/new-bill-wants-fiber-conduit-built-into-every-road-project.ars | Jul 24 02:48 |
| fewa | an obvious bill | Jul 24 02:48 |
| fewa | now supported by Google too | Jul 24 02:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah Ive seen it | Jul 24 02:49 |
| fewa | something any person who reads it should be in their right mind for | Jul 24 02:49 |
| fewa | yet i wonder if the $7.3 Billion for broadband will even coordinate such things | Jul 24 02:52 |
| fewa | certainly good to have it | Jul 24 02:53 |
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| he he. voice transcription the easy way. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/23/228208/SpinVox-Recognition-Is-Often-Expensive-Human-Transcription | Jul 24 03:56 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2009/07/09/java-development-outpaces-c-development-on-all-platforms/comment-page-1#comment-131314 | Jul 24 04:09 |
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| PRWatch checks out FCC anti-astroturfing work http://www.prwatch.org/node/8465 | Jul 24 04:12 | |
| Diablo-D3 | :D | Jul 24 04:12 |
| busted life style http://www.prwatch.org/node/8471 | Jul 24 04:14 | |
| ick http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Rodent-Bitten-Baby-Natalie-Hill-Bled-To-Death-Post-Mortem-on-New-Orleans-Death/Article/200907415344722 | Jul 24 04:38 | |
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| yuhong | Here is another broken <video> | Jul 24 04:52 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/23/kde-4-3-milestone/ | Jul 24 04:52 |
| yuhong | In fact, right on the same day as MS's Linux patch, tridge posted this revised VFAT patent workaround patch. | Jul 24 05:00 |
| yuhong | http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/425 | Jul 24 05:00 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: watch your language already ! | Jul 24 08:13 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eee PC 900 to Best AstroTurfer, Vista 7 Still Unsuitable for Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/f9Owr | Jul 24 10:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO Scandals Finally in the News http://ping.fm/V7cpq | Jul 24 10:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mono Roundup: Suppression of Speech, Extension, and Deception http://ping.fm/z7Q20 | Jul 24 10:08 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/07/verifiable_dism.html Verifiable Dismantling of Nuclear Bombs | Jul 24 10:10 |
| schestowitz | MSFT "Investors flee, cause eight percent stock plunge" http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/23/microsoft-misses-revenue-estimate-by-13-billion | Jul 24 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "Disney Plans To Charge For Online Content" | Jul 24 10:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Google’s Lobbying Expenditures Up 30 Percent YOY" http://bit.ly/tHyLk Lobbying should be somehow illegalised in ethical nations. | Jul 24 10:15 | |
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| Ng | schestowitz: that bit.ly link on the google lobbying thing 404s? | Jul 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.. :-( | Jul 24 10:52 |
| ThistleWeb | first we need to find some ethical nations | Jul 24 10:52 |
| Ng | also what's wrong with lobbying? if it were made illegal for companies then it would follow that it be illegal for special interest groups, individuals, charities, etc. | Jul 24 10:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Response to OOXML Abuses is a No-Response http://ping.fm/qDoJz | Jul 24 10:53 | |
| ThistleWeb | unless "ethical" means that at least they go to some effort to pretend it's all legit, and hide all the illegal stuff instead of flaunting the fact that they can be bought with impunity | Jul 24 10:55 |
| ThistleWeb | Ng: lobbying as it stands is the rich buying private access to politicians to whisper their spin and lies to help convince (or reward) them for doing something which will help make more money for the company. All of this is behind closed doors, where none of their assertions will be assessed and errors pointed out | Jul 24 10:58 |
| ThistleWeb | the end result is a politician coming out of a closed door meeting ready to do something | Jul 24 10:58 |
| ThistleWeb | when was the last time you saw the banking industry lobby to have govt enforce lower fees, as their customers were being ripped off? | Jul 24 10:59 |
| ThistleWeb | to me, they only lobby when a law is being proposed that will negatively affect them somehow.....so they turn up to DEFEND the practice, and ensure they are allowed to continue it | Jul 24 10:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: yes but | Jul 24 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | the way you beat banks is by owning them | Jul 24 11:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I used banks as an example | Jul 24 11:00 |
| ThistleWeb | this is the way of corporate lobbying | Jul 24 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then do your actual banking at a credit union | Jul 24 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | corporate lobbying isnt immediately bad | Jul 24 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | it depends if you have stock in said companies or not | Jul 24 11:01 |
| ThistleWeb | of course it's not bad....for the corporations | Jul 24 11:01 |
| ThistleWeb | it's just a business expense they can write off in a tax haven as a cost of doing business | Jul 24 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | see | Jul 24 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think we need an etf | Jul 24 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | that invests in the worst businesses | Jul 24 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | the absolute evil ones | Jul 24 11:02 |
| ThistleWeb | no business is evil | Jul 24 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | all business is evil | Jul 24 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're required to be evil by congressional mandate | Jul 24 11:02 |
| ThistleWeb | some things they do can be | Jul 24 11:02 |
| ThistleWeb | but they are not evil | Jul 24 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're missing the point | Jul 24 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | do something like $x spent in lobbying, normalized by market cap | Jul 24 11:03 |
| ThistleWeb | buisnesses are run by people, who make decisions | Jul 24 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd invest in the etf | Jul 24 11:03 |
| ThistleWeb | those decisions can be evil | Jul 24 11:03 |
| Ng | ThistleWeb: the UK banking industry has been lobbying and sueing like crazy, but the government are still forcing them to lower fees | Jul 24 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: I dont get why the goverment bothers | Jul 24 11:04 |
| Ng | there's been a case rumbling on for years about unfair charges on overdrawn accounts. the banks are even threatening to end free personal banking as a result | Jul 24 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | here in the us we have credit unions | Jul 24 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | GO BANK AT ONE | Jul 24 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: yeah, but you have the flip side | Jul 24 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck are you spending money you dont have | Jul 24 11:04 |
| Ng | debt is the foundation of consumer society | Jul 24 11:05 |
| ThistleWeb | Ng: yep, notice the usual response by industry groups? "if the govt forces us to cap fees in X area, we'll make them up elsewhere" in other words, if you stop us from screwing our users one way, we'll find other ways to screw them, and the end result will be the same as it is now, except we have a demon to blame in the PR | Jul 24 11:05 |
| Ng | ThistleWeb: companies have a profit motive, you say? ;) | Jul 24 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think the government should actually back off in banking regulation there | Jul 24 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | let the banks hang themselves | Jul 24 11:05 |
| Ng | they already did that | Jul 24 11:05 |
| ThistleWeb | they will obey the rules, but find other ways to negate the effects | Jul 24 11:06 |
| Ng | it didn't work out well for anyone | Jul 24 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: yes, because somehow the american people forgot there are other ways of banking | Jul 24 11:06 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I blame the government there | Jul 24 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the government should always remind the people that its a free market, and you should vote with your dollars | Jul 24 11:06 |
| Ng | Diablo-D3: everyone is at fault. the banks lent too easily, the people borrowed too heavily and the regulators didn't stop it | Jul 24 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: I dont mind the banks lending | Jul 24 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | let the bank fold, and let the FDIC clean up the mess | Jul 24 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | future banks will learn not to do that | Jul 24 11:07 |
| ThistleWeb | Diablo-D3: some industries will pull down a LOT more if they're allowed to fail | Jul 24 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | banking, unfortunately, is not that kind of industry | Jul 24 11:07 |
| Ng | Diablo-D3: if they'd let "the" bank fold it would have been all of the banks | Jul 24 11:07 |
| ThistleWeb | which is why bailouts of the banks are needed, as unpalatable is it is | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: not at all | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | because I would have then told the people to keep the money | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont bother paying it back. | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I expect the general population to be stupid | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I _dont_ expect banks to be stupid | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Ng | Diablo-D3: business is utterly dependent on banking, people are utterly dependent on banking. If half or more of the banks go away overnight then everything grinds to a halt | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, I'm 120% for punishing the hell out of banks | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: not at all | Jul 24 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thats a bit FUDdy there | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are many banks who kept lending through the crisis | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | THEY DIDNT OWN ANY SHITTY MORTGAGES | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | guess what! if you lend to someone who doesnt have a job, they wont pay it back! | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | common fucking sense! | Jul 24 11:09 |
| ThistleWeb | but they did lend to other banks who did | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Ng | exactly | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Ng | the banks lend to each other | Jul 24 11:09 |
| ThistleWeb | not to mention other investors | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | then they made a poor investment | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no, not all did | Jul 24 11:09 |
| ThistleWeb | if they fail, they cant pay back loans ether | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Ng | and that market completely dried up, which is what necessitated the liquidity injections by governments | Jul 24 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: and btw | Jul 24 11:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | the loans banks make to each other are often covered by the FDIC | Jul 24 11:10 |
| ThistleWeb | which gets its money from where? | Jul 24 11:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | thin air | Jul 24 11:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the only time the government actually has the right to inflate the currency | Jul 24 11:10 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's worthless if there;'s nothing in the pot to pay out | Jul 24 11:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | hint: the Fed is full of shit, illegal, and constitutional | Jul 24 11:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: oh, there is | Jul 24 11:10 |
| *Ng sighs | Jul 24 11:10 | |
| Diablo-D3 | but it wouldnt have been enough | Jul 24 11:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the us treasury has the authority to give the FDIC as much as it needs | Jul 24 11:11 |
| ThistleWeb | which comes fromt he tax payer | Jul 24 11:11 |
| ThistleWeb | which means govt buyout | Jul 24 11:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | wrong | Jul 24 11:12 |
| ThistleWeb | or throwing money away | Jul 24 11:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt come from the tax payer in that sense | Jul 24 11:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | what happened in the Real World (tm) _is_ Socialism | Jul 24 11:12 |
| ThistleWeb | so the US treasury works different from every other govt treasury in that it's not funded by tax payers? | Jul 24 11:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | we gave money directly to the banks from the Fed, not the US Treaury | Jul 24 11:12 |
| Ng | is it better to let a bank go under and pay out all the FDIC money as a result and never get that money back, or to buy a share of the bank to keep it going and sell that share later to make at least some of the money back? | Jul 24 11:12 |
| Ng | we might even make a profit! | Jul 24 11:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: that isnt it | Jul 24 11:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | the banks have to pay for insurance through the FDIC | Jul 24 11:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | the banking system as a whole pays for banks to fail | Jul 24 11:13 |
| Ng | Diablo-D3: insurance premiums work on the principle that not everyone needs to claim | Jul 24 11:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | during times like this, future banks just pay more. | Jul 24 11:13 |
| Ng | if suddenly everyone needs to claim then you lose | Jul 24 11:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: which is wrong, btw | Jul 24 11:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are many large banks which had zero problems | Jul 24 11:14 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly, the more who claim, then you have insurrance companies needing bailouts | Jul 24 11:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: I think you've gotten confused somewhere | Jul 24 11:14 |
| ThistleWeb | who also invest, and likely lose money in banks when they fail | Jul 24 11:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | the FDIC is not an insurance company | Jul 24 11:14 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, I got lost in reality | Jul 24 11:14 |
| ThistleWeb | my bad | Jul 24 11:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | its an "insurance company" that insures dollar bills. | Jul 24 11:15 |
| ThistleWeb | seems a shame to bring reality into such a discussion | Jul 24 11:15 |
| ThistleWeb | otherwise it could go anywhere | Jul 24 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | it exists to protect the general population from idiots | Jul 24 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats all it does | Jul 24 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | it functions perfectly when congress does not interfere | Jul 24 11:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | the FDIC would, for example, have the authority to take over Citibank and do whatever they must to cover the deposits | Jul 24 11:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Citibank is the largest banking company in the US | Jul 24 11:16 |
| ThistleWeb | any form of insurrance relies on a system where many pay in installments, but most never claim, while some do need to claim. Those claims paid out are less than the money taken in.....hence profit | Jul 24 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: wrong | Jul 24 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not that kind of insurance | Jul 24 11:17 |
| ThistleWeb | thats why policies have so much small print with excemptions, and peeps employed to find ways to deny the claim | Jul 24 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | banks have to pay a rather large sum in because they _will_ fail | Jul 24 11:17 |
| ThistleWeb | otherwise you pay out more than you take in | Jul 24 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | its no longer an if, its a when | Jul 24 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: ITS NOT THAT KIND OF INSURANCE | Jul 24 11:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it exists to protect deposits, and banks, as a form of punishment, have to pay to protect them | Jul 24 11:18 |
| ThistleWeb | no, it's apparently one with infinite resources to pay out that it gets from nowhere | Jul 24 11:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: effectively yes | Jul 24 11:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the government _does_ profit off of banks, however | Jul 24 11:18 |
| *ThistleWeb is bowing out of a conversation with no connection to reality | Jul 24 11:19 | |
| Diablo-D3 | if citibank would have folded, it actually had enough assets that with the proper deals, FDIC wouldnt have to blow through it's warchest | Jul 24 11:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the largest bank in the US. | Jul 24 11:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: you need to learn what inflation is, though | Jul 24 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | the US dollar is a fiat currency | Jul 24 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not actually worth anything at all | Jul 24 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, you can, in fact, print money out of thin air | Jul 24 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | the more you do it, however, the more foreign countries frown on you doing it | Jul 24 11:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have no problem with the FDIC protecting private citizen's deposits | Jul 24 11:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I _do_ have a problem with Congress and the Fed printing a trillion dollars to save banks who have flawed business models | Jul 24 11:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | so wait | Jul 24 11:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | we're in #bn | Jul 24 11:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | discussing banking | Jul 24 11:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf? | Jul 24 11:27 |
| *Diablo-D3 blames ThistleWeb | Jul 24 11:27 | |
| ThistleWeb | I gave an example of why corporate lobbying is bad for the people, others decided it was a change of subject | Jul 24 11:28 |
| ThistleWeb | but if it makes you feel better, I'll accept the blame | Jul 24 11:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im still not sure if its bad for the people | Jul 24 11:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats bad for the people is not enough people own stock | Jul 24 11:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean actually own stock | Jul 24 11:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | as opposed to a) owning stock in the company they work for (fucktards), b) owning some shitty mutual fund in some retirement account | Jul 24 11:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Asks Microsoft to Stop the Patent Racketeering http://ping.fm/M2GFy | Jul 24 11:30 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean | Jul 24 11:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | imagine if everyone in here owned microsoft stock | Jul 24 11:30 |
| ThistleWeb | stockholders have one real choice if they don't like how their company is run.....sell the stock | Jul 24 11:32 |
| ThistleWeb | anything else is just scraps | Jul 24 11:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats not entirely true | Jul 24 11:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | most companies dont lock shareholders out of how the company is ran | Jul 24 11:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: however | Jul 24 11:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is that | Jul 24 11:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | if people actually owned the stock, they could sell it | Jul 24 11:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Goodwill is to Obey the Law http://ping.fm/4GXW4 | Jul 24 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | Even the Microsoft crowd could not spin MSFT's results: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/24/microsoft_fiscal_09_results/ | Jul 24 12:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you here? | Jul 24 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Citrix: A long run to VMware < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/24/citrix_2q_2009_xen/ > Microsoft messed up the VM market | Jul 24 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes | Jul 24 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: please, please, please watch your language | Jul 24 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not sure how microsoft could spin it | Jul 24 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Our hecklers use you against us by quoting you | Jul 24 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean | Jul 24 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | the economy is down | Jul 24 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft _should_ be down | Jul 24 12:08 |
| schestowitz | They could shift attention | Jul 24 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Google and IBM profit grew | Jul 24 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [weeks ago] | Jul 24 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | "no" | Jul 24 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat too of course. | Jul 24 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | their average increase was down | Jul 24 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and their stock prices are still depressing | Jul 24 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | not that google and ibm are particularly great investments | Jul 24 12:09 |
| schestowitz | More spin from Microsoft Clarke: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/microsoft_open_source_science/ | Jul 24 12:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | I love the companies, but, meh | Jul 24 12:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | stock prices are entirely too high | Jul 24 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, I dont care if they quote me | Jul 24 12:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm thinking about business mode | Jul 24 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Google still sels ads | Jul 24 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've written worse on my blog | Jul 24 12:10 |
| schestowitz | IBM sells hardware | Jul 24 12:10 |
| schestowitz | IBM sells papers | Jul 24 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Certificates to run binaries | Jul 24 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM sells calculators. | Jul 24 12:10 |
| schestowitz | But the value of those binaries declines | Jul 24 12:10 |
| schestowitz | *Microsoft sells papers | Jul 24 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM sells software. | Jul 24 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Microsoft sells software. | Jul 24 12:11 |
| schestowitz | No commodity | Jul 24 12:11 |
| schestowitz | SPecialied s/w | Jul 24 12:11 |
| Ng | to be fair, IBM sells less hardware than it used to | Jul 24 12:11 |
| Ng | (since it sold most of it to lenovo) | Jul 24 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: arguably more | Jul 24 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Word processing and Firefox+Linux are commodity | Jul 24 12:11 |
| schestowitz | IBM is trying to make the lower part of the stack a commodity | Jul 24 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: and they didnt really sell it to lenovo | Jul 24 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Even MySQL | Jul 24 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | lenovo already made the consumer hardware | Jul 24 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM just put their name on it | Jul 24 12:12 |
| ThistleWeb | MS have never sold any software | Jul 24 12:12 |
| Ng | Diablo-D3: I know, but IBM don't account for the sales now | Jul 24 12:12 |
| ThistleWeb | they don't believe in it | Jul 24 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM originally was just having it made for enterprise customers | Jul 24 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | workstations, laptops, etc | Jul 24 12:12 |
| ThistleWeb | they sell licences to use software under conditions they set | Jul 24 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | then normal people could buy it | Jul 24 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | AND THEN | Jul 24 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | they got out at the right time | Jul 24 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | when consumer equipment sales started dropping | Jul 24 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | the actual sales are a fraction of the business they do | Jul 24 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so letting lenovo have it and do it completely themselves didnt mean much | Jul 24 12:13 |
| schestowitz | "EMC has just announced second quarter results for this year which show a rise over the first quarter, but a drop on last year's numbers." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/emc_results_q209/ | Jul 24 12:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz hey, microsoft obeying the law is an exciting new phenomenon | Jul 24 12:19 | |
| schestowitz | http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-fy09q4-results.html | Jul 24 12:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard yes, GPL even! The one they snubbed as a licence. | Jul 24 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/07/install-simplified-nautilus-for-ubuntu.html (Install a Simplified Nautilus for Ubuntu [100 Paper Cuts] | Jul 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | http://copyright.econsultation.ca/ | Jul 24 12:28 |
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| Trials | the commodity is software, | Jul 24 12:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Disney is being thick: "Disney Pulls Movie Trailer Off YouTube For Copyright Claims" http://ping.fm/6YNIc | Jul 24 12:48 | |
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| schestowitz | Security by obscurity: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1495164/iphone-encryption-broken (Iphone encryption 'broken' ) | Jul 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz | China Urges Couples to Have Two Kids < http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/07/24/world/international-china-babies.html?_r=1&partner=TOPIXNEWS&ei=5099 > Isn't the Earth already in need to MORE birth control? | Jul 24 13:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Press reports dazzling quarter for Microsoft http://notnews.today.com/?p=566 (I love that picture so much) | Jul 24 13:04 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/07/24/world/international-china-babies.html?_r=1&partner=TOPIXNEWS&ei=5099 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/22/christianity-religion-texas-history-education | Jul 24 13:05 |
| schestowitz | "The Christian right is making a fresh push to force religion onto the school curriculum in Texas with the state's education board about to consider recommendations that children be taught that there would be no United States if it had not been for God." | Jul 24 13:05 |
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| ThistleWeb | God must love a good fight, if every lunatic claims to be doing God's will is telling the truth | Jul 24 13:06 |
| ThistleWeb | then again, eternal life with all these peeps asking favours must get tiring | Jul 24 13:07 |
| ThistleWeb | so letting them entertain you could be a perk of the position | Jul 24 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Gitmo Abuse Continues Under Obama < http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1248187326708&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout > | Jul 24 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Interesting photo...... Anger at ANC record boils over in South African townships < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/22/south-africa-protests > | Jul 24 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Register headline: "Swedish lesbians suck sperm banks dry" < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/24/swedish_shortage/ > | Jul 24 13:25 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, love the taste, just not the container | Jul 24 13:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google is among us. http://ping.fm/6Tfyk | Jul 24 13:28 | |
| tacone | lol | Jul 24 13:29 |
| ThistleWeb | typical females, always picky | Jul 24 13:30 |
| *Ng blinks | Jul 24 13:30 | |
| tacone tessier ThistleWeb tkmorris trmanco twitter | Jul 24 13:30 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: One throat to choke, with Google. | Jul 24 13:31 |
| tacone | uh ? | Jul 24 13:31 |
| tacone | i like the bikes :) | Jul 24 13:31 |
| tacone | seems like a tiring work, though | Jul 24 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Rome wasn't built in a day | Jul 24 13:31 |
| schestowitz | /sbuilt/filmed/ | Jul 24 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Novell employees join Lefty's attack on us: http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2009/07/faux-pen-source-fundamentalists.html | Jul 24 13:36 |
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| Ng | Linus is right though, the hatred and exclusion is madness | Jul 24 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | Ng: yes, it is | Jul 24 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Tell Microsoft to stop hating Linux | Jul 24 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Then, tell Microsoft to stop excluding GNU/Linux users | Jul 24 13:39 |
| Ng | no no no | Jul 24 13:39 |
| Ng | any behaviour of theirs does not excuse reciprocity | Jul 24 13:39 |
| Ng | and certainly has no bearing on the negativity directed within the freesoftware/opensource community | Jul 24 13:40 |
| Ng | (I'm a huge fan of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, precisely becaues it codifies that we should behave well to each other, but obviously encouraging such a thing across a diverse set of communities is much harder) | Jul 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Stacy got hacked. http://3monkeyweb.com/3monkeys/2009/07/17/htmlframer-virus-alert-from-avg/ | Jul 24 13:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s GPLv2 code - donation or obligation? < http://ping.fm/OO03E > | Jul 24 13:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The OpenDocument ( ODF ) site is being spammed. http://ping.fm/ivgO5 | Jul 24 14:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Google StreetView tricycle http://is.gd/1Kmnt | Jul 24 14:24 | |
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| trmanco | slashdot was hacked -> http://imgur.com/2VvkN.png | Jul 24 14:32 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-earnings-baidu-posts-jumps-in-net-income-revenue/ (*Earnings: Baidu Posts Jumps In Net Income, Revenue) | Jul 24 14:34 |
| hmmm lot of hacking going on. Bill Gate's "Open Source" labs investment is paying off? | Jul 24 14:37 | |
| trmanco | I would say it's summer times's fault | Jul 24 14:39 |
| trmanco | some people get bored when they have holidays and do this kind of stuff | Jul 24 14:40 |
| Jeffrey Stedfast, is that a real name? | Jul 24 14:46 | |
| It's funny how people talk about avoiding "exclusion" by embracing free software exploiters who exclude users from their software freedom. | Jul 24 14:47 | |
| Ng | why wouldn't it be a real name? | Jul 24 14:47 |
| schestowitz | VERY bad headline: http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/computing/2009/0907231030.asp?A=COM | Jul 24 14:48 |
| Name calling seems to be the only thing they have for their defense. People who worry about software freedom, they say, are just irrational haters of nice companies like M$. | Jul 24 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | I'd rather Novell employees defended a message, not attacked messengers | Jul 24 14:49 |
| No one should hate an abusive monopolist that's tried to destroy gnu/linux and software freedom for the last ten years, should they? | Jul 24 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | They want to collectively 'kill' many messages they don't like by lynching people | Jul 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Now Jason at mono-nono | Jul 24 14:49 |
| Ng | twitter: no one should hate anyone/anything :) | Jul 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Systematically they shoot down messengers | Jul 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | tacone too | Jul 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Varghese.. | Jul 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | nyu.. | Jul 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | RMS.. | Jul 24 14:50 |
| Yes, this one is attacking Stallman too. | Jul 24 14:50 | |
| schestowitz | Who's next in the character assaSSINATION list? (oops, CAPS) | Jul 24 14:50 |
| assASSination | Jul 24 14:50 | |
| Ng | oh I think twitter is still ignoring me because I disagreed with him and was therefore marked as being a troll, or something | Jul 24 14:51 |
| asses trying to make asses of people that point out their bad behavior. | Jul 24 14:51 | |
| So, we see mono people quoting the Lefty attack and trying to put the words into Linus' mouth. | Jul 24 14:52 | |
| this is really disgusting spin. | Jul 24 14:52 | |
| but it goes nowhere. | Jul 24 14:52 | |
| Ng | fix it with code :) | Jul 24 14:52 |
| Trials | how can anyone put words in Linus's mouth, except Linus ? | Jul 24 14:53 |
| No one is going to listen to Novell and mono bloggers when the FSF has published on the subject. | Jul 24 14:53 | |
| Ng | free software is a meritocracy. if you want to win, write better code | Jul 24 14:53 |
| ThistleWeb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8166640.stm <<suspected pirates being disconnected in the UK | Jul 24 14:53 |
| Ng | it's not a theocracy, which is why the loudest shouters don't ever get their way | Jul 24 14:53 |
| Trials | Ng exactly ! | Jul 24 14:53 |
| Ng | e.g. gnote would replace tomboy in gnome if it was better :) | Jul 24 14:54 |
| Ng | (which it absolutely could be if sufficiently motivated people hacked on it) | Jul 24 14:55 |
| It is amusing how the mono propagandist ape the crudest of M$ propaganda from a few years ago. "GNU/Linux wants to destroy the desktop" the M$ people said when they released the not so popular movie Ironman. | Jul 24 14:55 | |
| http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=201 | Jul 24 14:55 | |
| Balrog | Ng: why is gnote worse?? | Jul 24 14:55 |
| Balrog | because it's faster and takes less memory and cpu? | Jul 24 14:56 |
| Trials | Belrog, because he/she considers it worse, probably does less things he wants than the competing product | Jul 24 14:56 |
| Ng | Balrog: my understanding is that it's not yet at a level of feature parity with tomboy | Jul 24 14:56 |
| Balrog | Ng: have you tried it? | Jul 24 14:57 |
| Ng | Balrog: also the health of its development community is a significant factor | Jul 24 14:57 |
| Ng | Balrog: no | Jul 24 14:57 |
| Balrog | you can have both installed simultaneously. Try it and then say it's worse | Jul 24 14:57 |
| Balrog | if it really is | Jul 24 14:57 |
| Ng | Balrog: you misunderstand my point | Jul 24 14:57 |
| Ng | Balrog: I didn't say "it's not better", I said "if it is better", which it could be | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Ng | if it really is a living project and not a quick hack to prove a point, then it will gain support and can propose replacing tomboy | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Ng | and that will be decided on the basis of merit | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Balrog | well alot of people like the plugin support of tomboy ... but that's deeply rooted in Mono | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Ng | plugins are possible C++ | Jul 24 14:59 |
| Ng | it just needs a hacker to hack it :) | Jul 24 14:59 |
| Balrog | true, but old plugins won't work | Jul 24 14:59 |
| Ng | there aren't very many tomboy plugins to replace though | Jul 24 14:59 |
| Balrog | and yes, you already can write plugins in c++ | Jul 24 14:59 |
| Trials | or you can just use what is best for you based on it's merit. | Jul 24 15:00 |
| Ng | if half the time that's used to bash the technology that tomboy/banshee/f-spot are built with, went into hacking on gnote/rhythmbox/gthumb, they would be much better and be able to compete better :) | Jul 24 15:00 |
| Balrog | Solang looks very nice ... it's still unstable though | Jul 24 15:02 |
| Trials | Yes, more people write and blog about Linux software development and improvement than actually partake in the practice. | Jul 24 15:02 |
| Ng | for me the fundemental reason why complaining about mono is irrelevant is that users are never locked in, so they will always flow to whatever they think is best. If mono turns out to be a big patent trap, we just uninstall it and walk free from the trap with all of our data, into the arms of replacement software ;) | Jul 24 15:02 |
| Balrog | Ng: that's how it is now. | Jul 24 15:03 |
| Balrog | But some people want it to be locked in | Jul 24 15:03 |
| Ng | you can never lock people in with free software, that's the whole reason it exists | Jul 24 15:03 |
| Trials | totally disregarding that the last thing MS would do is to start to go after it's own customers with patent crap, it would initiate an instant class action and cost MS millions and vast amounts of good will. | Jul 24 15:04 |
| Trials | even MS is not that stupid | Jul 24 15:04 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, seen it | Jul 24 15:04 |
| schestowitz | 1-strike | Jul 24 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, without any warning | Jul 24 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | if you confess, they'll reconnect you | Jul 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I loathe the BBC's headline | Jul 24 15:05 |
| Balrog | Trials: but what about stuff like the Tom-Tom lawsuit? | Jul 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | They play along with the slur, being a media company | Jul 24 15:05 |
| ThistleWeb | confess and promise not to do it again (even if you never did it the first time) | Jul 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | New from RMS: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html (How the Swedish Pirate Party Platform Backfires on Free Software) | Jul 24 15:06 |
| Trials | you have to read the agreement for the use of FAT MS stated quite clearly the terms of fair use, and TOMTOM did not follow those terms, TOMTOM breached contract more than just a patent. | Jul 24 15:06 |
| Ng | Trials: I don't think that's a safe assumption, MS are legendarily mean and obtuse | Jul 24 15:06 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, that's real independent quality journalism, using different dictionaries lol | Jul 24 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Ng: they also tried to spin TomTom | Jul 24 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Spinning it as TomTom attacking MS | Jul 24 15:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Trying out @jolicloud | Jul 24 15:07 | |
| Trials | The MS agreement for VFAT was that you can use it but you are not allowed to sub-license it. TOMTOM sub-licensed it under the GPL, if they sub-licensed it under another license it would have made no difference, it was not agaist the GPL as MS said. | Jul 24 15:07 |
| Ng | we'll be here all day if people start listing the unpleasant things MS have done | Jul 24 15:07 |
| Ng | but still I say that we're still using free software and can change and keep all of our data whenever it is convenient | Jul 24 15:07 |
| Ng | so we can't ever lose | Jul 24 15:07 |
| Balrog | Trials: the patents for VFAT are shaky | Jul 24 15:07 |
| Ng | ergo I can use f-spot and not care :) | Jul 24 15:07 |
| Trials | The patents for VFAT MAY be shaky, but MS did not go after them for that they went after them for breaking MS's contract agreement for the free use of VFAT, patented or not. | Jul 24 15:08 |
| Balrog | I didn't think there was an agreement in the first place. | Jul 24 15:09 |
| Trials | there was I can find it for you if you like. | Jul 24 15:09 |
| Balrog | and I don't think that's what was reported *anywhere* | Jul 24 15:09 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Jul 24 15:17 |
| Balrog | hi Omar87 | Jul 24 15:17 |
| Omar87 | So what's going on at FSD? | Jul 24 15:17 |
| Omar87 | Hi Balrog. | Jul 24 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: what's w/ it? | Jul 24 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Anything unusual? | Jul 24 15:19 |
| Trials | Balrog "b) Provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of this Agreement and subject to the limitations in Sections 1(c) - (f) below, Microsoft grants to you the following non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, non-transferable, non-sublicenseable, reciprocal limited covenant not to sue" | Jul 24 15:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I don't know Roy, but every time I try to open it, I get an huge error message. | Jul 24 15:20 |
| schestowitz | I notice that front page hardly changes | Jul 24 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Many CMS issues | Jul 24 15:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Anti-Red Hat from the Boston press (Boston=Novell HQ, but not related): http://ping.fm/dvBgY | Jul 24 15:26 | |
| schestowitz | *Sigh* I deleted OSNews in anger last year. Thom ruined it by becoming a MS PR person (de facto). Still the same......... | Jul 24 15:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fake picture of Chrome OS again: http://ping.fm/xcl7z | Jul 24 15:38 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: "user warning: Table './www_fsdaily_com_4/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: SELECT data, created, headers, expire FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '3:72b5fc877ea552ea9c725c28c61d2ee7' in /home/www/drupal/drupal-5.11/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 174." | Jul 24 15:43 |
| schestowitz | CMS error then | Jul 24 15:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] gotta love recruiters. just got my second ever docx from one. thankfully gmail converts it to html. they also trip the spam filter a lot. | Jul 24 15:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GPLv3 hits 50 percent adoption http://ping.fm/5vy2Z | Jul 24 15:44 | |
| schestowitz | Another company called Novell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpCF15Zw5fM "Rice sent to Sierra Leone had a Swiss company named Novell as the buyer." | Jul 24 15:47 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yes, Roy. Something similar. | Jul 24 15:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure they're on the case.. | Jul 24 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Slovakia has dismissed protests by neighbouring Hungary over a new language law which would impose fines for using minority languages." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8162643.stm | Jul 24 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Oh no! Richard Rothwell committed suicide. http://tributestorichardrothwell.net/ | Jul 24 16:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.richardrothwell.com/ | Jul 24 16:21 |
| schestowitz | He also wrote for FSMag: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/community_posts/its_data_stupid | Jul 24 16:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In memory of Richard Rothwell, a Free software advocate: http://ping.fm/oE3xb | Jul 24 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | Ingushetia abandoned < http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/email/ingushetia-abandoned > | Jul 24 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: your friend gets published in the Vietnamese press: http://www.globalpost.com/webblog/vietnam/pardus-linux-2009-international-my-thinkpad-t60 | Jul 24 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | You decide: is it better to stop kids playing computer games? < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/jul/23/games-kids-school-holidays-rationing-query > | Jul 24 16:53 |
| Balrog | heh, game ratings enforcement is better than movie ratings enforcement, in the US | Jul 24 17:02 |
| schestowitz | You know what vanished from the headlines totally? | Jul 24 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Bong [sic] search | Jul 24 17:05 |
| Balrog | ...what about it? | Jul 24 17:05 |
| schestowitz | The next Walfram|Alpha. People are back to Google | Jul 24 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft knows it must succeeds online. Failing to do so makes Google stronger and by association Linux too | Jul 24 17:06 |
| Trials | you think the average joe links google and linux together ? | Jul 24 17:07 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 24 17:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great news for GNU/Linux from Germany: http://ping.fm/o6Qdy http://ping.fm/otNOm | Jul 24 17:10 | |
| schestowitz | Trials: this was not implied by me. | Jul 24 17:24 |
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| Ng | microsoft failing online just makes them waste more money, it doesn't really make linux stronger | Jul 24 17:44 |
| Trials | even mabey the world is big enough for them all. | Jul 24 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Ng: yes, I agree | Jul 24 17:47 |
| Ng | and they have been losing a ton of money on that recently :) | Jul 24 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Trials: ask BeOS founder | Jul 24 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Ng: half a billion per quarter/annum (can't remember which) | Jul 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | They cut down a lot of services inc. YouTube challenger | Jul 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I'll work on some daily links. Lots today... | Jul 24 17:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Aculab Media Processing Ported to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/N5stn | Jul 24 17:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ECT Writer Moves All Computers to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/2u8Fp | Jul 24 17:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNOME Developer Talks About the Semantic Desktop http://ping.fm/feylS | Jul 24 17:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Application Installation to Become Simpler in Ubuntu GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/97BYe | Jul 24 18:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice Ideas for Customising XFCE http://ping.fm/lff3Y | Jul 24 18:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE 4.3 is Almost Here and It's Good http://ping.fm/wkZ9l http://ping.fm/GP1Wr http://ping.fm/us9D5 | Jul 24 18:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Pardus [Linux 20009] is Surprisingly Good" http://ping.fm/NwQOO | Jul 24 18:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Third Alpha of Ubuntu GNU/Linux 9.10 is Released http://ping.fm/SXcGv | Jul 24 18:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eucalyptus Leverages GNU/Linux (Ubuntu) for Libre Fog Computing http://ping.fm/Kr54j | Jul 24 18:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's Linux Passes to Devices http://ping.fm/sbGSo http://ping.fm/6hroo | Jul 24 18:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Acer Sub-notebooks Delivered with GNU/Linux for £159.99 http://ping.fm/xrWEL | Jul 24 18:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazon Confesses to DRM Sins http://ping.fm/Fra2o | Jul 24 18:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Alfresco Invites More People to Free Software http://ping.fm/aJOnO | Jul 24 18:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OSCON 2009 Coverage - Video http://ping.fm/y9IEa | Jul 24 18:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] City of Chicago Chooses to Run IT and Web with Free Software http://ping.fm/Pl6Hk | Jul 24 18:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Drupal Founder Shows that Pure GPL Can Bring Millions http://ping.fm/HfwcK | Jul 24 18:41 | |
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| yuhong | That <video> is still broken. | Jul 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Jul 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | There were 2 | Jul 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | The new one I put the wrong URL in | Jul 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Should work now | Jul 24 18:42 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/17/richard-m-stallman-on-c-sharp/ | Jul 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Trmanco did the older video | Jul 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, this one | Jul 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | The URL seems to be correct | Jul 24 18:43 |
| yuhong | Fewa discovered the problem. | Jul 24 18:43 |
| trmanco | maybe streaming is off on your server | Jul 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I still use Firefox 3.0 | Jul 24 18:43 |
| yuhong | The MIME time was wrong. | Jul 24 18:43 |
| yuhong | The MIME type was wrong. | Jul 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I think so | Jul 24 18:43 |
| trmanco | I had that problem too | Jul 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: in Apache settinghs? | Jul 24 18:43 |
| fewa | 3 ways: 1. add type="video/ogg" to <video> 2. change extention to .ogg 3. add to /etc/mime-types ogv-->video/ogg | Jul 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Or the <video> | Jul 24 18:43 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jul 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jul 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Jul 24 18:44 |
| schestowitz | "ogv" | Jul 24 18:44 |
| fewa | apache is sending as text/plain | Jul 24 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I call it ogg usually | Jul 24 18:44 |
| yuhong | Correct. | Jul 24 18:44 |
| fewa | you can either override in <video> or get apache to send it as video/ogg | Jul 24 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I've changed the template already | Jul 24 18:44 |
| schestowitz | <video src="/videos/rms-drm-c.sharp.ogv" controls type="video/ogg"> | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Does it still now work? | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz | *not | Jul 24 18:45 |
| yuhong | You have to change it on the server. | Jul 24 18:45 |
| fewa | dang that doesnt work | Jul 24 18:45 |
| fewa | you have to change on server | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_mime.html | Jul 24 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Where is it changed in Apache? | Jul 24 18:48 |
| schestowitz | It was easy using cpanel | Jul 24 18:48 |
| schestowitz | pin tessier | Jul 24 18:52 |
| trmanco | "Microsoft brought all of this on themselves, they created the culture | Jul 24 18:52 |
| trmanco | of hate and distrust of that exists today in the Linux and open-source | Jul 24 18:52 |
| trmanco | community with their unethical, immoral, and often illegal business | Jul 24 18:52 |
| trmanco | practices." | Jul 24 18:52 |
| schestowitz | URL? | Jul 24 18:52 |
| schestowitz | mono-nono has a response too | Jul 24 18:52 |
| trmanco | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/191076 | Jul 24 18:54 |
| trmanco | it's worth the read | Jul 24 18:54 |
| yuhong | try 3. add to /etc/mime-types ogv-->video/ogg | Jul 24 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Twitter's broken again | Jul 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz | mime.types | Jul 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: OK, try now | Jul 24 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Please. | Jul 24 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Fri Jul 24 18:54:24 2009| *** twitter->friend_timelines() failed: Can't connect to twitter.com:80 (connect: timeout) | Jul 24 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Sad it. Twitter's erratic this afternoon. | Jul 24 18:59 |
| yuhong | Still doesn't work. | Jul 24 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I added "application/ogg ogv" | Jul 24 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Jul 24 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Try now | Jul 24 19:02 |
| yuhong | Still doesn't work, try video/ogg | Jul 24 19:03 |
| trmanco | it hard | Jul 24 19:03 |
| trmanco | I never got this working on mine | Jul 24 19:03 |
| trmanco | (shared) | Jul 24 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Try now | Jul 24 19:06 |
| yuhong | Still doesn't work. | Jul 24 19:07 |
| yuhong | Telnetting and issuing HEAD /videos/rms-drm-c.sharp.ogv HTTP/1.0 still shows Content-Type as text/plain; charset=UTF-8 | Jul 24 19:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't suppose Apache needs restartijng.. | Jul 24 19:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman Explains How MAFIAA Harms Free Software, Too http://ping.fm/rAta4 | Jul 24 19:13 | |
| trmanco | it might | Jul 24 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | I'll wait for tessier | Jul 24 19:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stronger Intellectual Monopolies Cause More Harm Than Good http://ping.fm/bUhbY | Jul 24 19:17 | |
| yuhong | In the meantime, if you hasn't seen my comments, check out this. | Jul 24 19:18 |
| yuhong | http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/425 | Jul 24 19:18 |
| yuhong | It is a revised version of the patch to workaround MS's FAT LFN patents. | Jul 24 19:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cool new thing: salinity cell, to generate electricity at river mouths http://is.gd/1KF0C | Jul 24 19:19 | |
| yuhong | It was posted only hours after MS's Hyper-V Linux patch. | Jul 24 19:20 |
| yuhong | It is the topic of my first Slashdot submission, here it is in my firehose. | Jul 24 19:22 |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/submission/1043925/MS-FAT-LFN-patent-workaround-patch-revised | Jul 24 19:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Microsoft Cannot be Trusted and Linus is Wrong About Microsoft http://ping.fm/7nLKV http://ping.fm/BEhI9 | Jul 24 19:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Responsible for Crushing Microsoft This Quarter http://ping.fm/qHanX | Jul 24 19:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft and the ECMA Lobbyists Want to Replicate OOXML Fiasco with XPS http://ping.fm/79ZDW | Jul 24 19:26 | |
| tacone | Per me, chi sostiene http://www.mono-project.com/ e’ come chi sostiene https://www.forzasilvio.it/. | Jul 24 19:29 |
| tacone | for me people acclaiming mono is like people acclaiming berlusconi | Jul 24 19:30 |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/submission/1044299/CodeWeavers-to-Overtake-Microsoft-by-2018 | Jul 24 19:30 |
| tacone | lol | Jul 24 19:30 |
| tacone | http://madbob.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/forza-mono/ | Jul 24 19:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NASSCOM Sells the Indian People to Convicted Monopolist Microsoft http://ping.fm/XP7Gw | Jul 24 19:31 | |
| tacone | italy: jail if you infringe a trademark with a registered domain | Jul 24 19:46 |
| tacone | you'll have to have some guts to register a domain for your customer, from now on. | Jul 24 19:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Microsoft tries to push completely superfluous garbage through ECMA in preparation for ISO http://is.gd/1KGKb | Jul 24 19:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] alguem aqui vai hoje a expofacic? | Jul 24 19:51 | |
| tacone | is raining so much you barely can see out of the window | Jul 24 19:58 |
| tacone | if you don't hear from me tomorrow it means i'm gone O:-) | Jul 24 19:58 |
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| yuhong | Even more problems with the word "intellectual property", particularly in relation to DRM: | Jul 24 20:16 |
| yuhong | http://delta.techdirt.com/blog/blog/articles/20090719/0108125588.shtml | Jul 24 20:16 |
| yuhong | tessier seems to be here now. | Jul 24 20:20 |
| yuhong | And telneting and issuing the HEAD command still shows that the content-type is text/plain. | Jul 24 20:20 |
| fewa | yuhong, thats a good article | Jul 24 20:28 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: does the video here at the bottom work for you? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/24/germany-gnu-linux-adoption-high/ | Jul 24 20:55 |
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| Omar87 | Hi guys. | Jul 24 21:13 |
| Omar87 | So, why are we not hearing anything from Bruce Perens these days? | Jul 24 21:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] USPTO fails to do a simple web search for prior art, gives Microsoft invalid patent http://is.gd/1KODp | Jul 24 21:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Charlie+Lola with cat in hat. Freda: "Hat on meow!" | Jul 24 21:15 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: he went quie | Jul 24 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: he went quiet. Shut down Technocrat.com too | Jul 24 21:18 |
| Omar87 | But why? | Jul 24 21:18 |
| Omar87 | Isn't that Technocrat? http://technocrat.com/ | Jul 24 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | ping tessier | Jul 24 21:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Buys ECMA for XPS; Watch Out, ISO http://ping.fm/7KZse | Jul 24 21:29 | |
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| yuhong | Yes the video in http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/24/germany-gnu-linux-adoption-high/ works | Jul 24 21:40 |
| thenixedreport | Roy, have you seen this yet? | Jul 24 21:43 |
| thenixedreport | http://www.osnews.com/story/21887/Linus_Microsoft_Hatred_is_a_Disease | Jul 24 21:43 |
| cubezzz | there's Linux hatred too: "Linux is a Cancer" - Ballmer | Jul 24 21:56 |
| thenixedreport | Exactly. | Jul 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: very weird | Jul 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | You know what I think? | Jul 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | The trmanco video was different somehow | Jul 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | In both cases I use the same code with ogv file | Jul 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Ohh..... | Jul 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Wait, actually, one is served from archive.org | Jul 24 22:01 |
| yuhong | And the other is served from boycottnovell.com itself. | Jul 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz, thenixedreport it's not new. Linus has said this for years (not in these words) | Jul 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes | Jul 24 22:02 |
| yuhong | http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1159 | Jul 24 22:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GPLv3 Reaches High Acceptance Rates, Novell Bans It, More Responses to Linus Appear http://ping.fm/byfZ7 | Jul 24 22:04 | |
| yuhong | http://blog.gingertech.net/2008/09/05/new-ogg-mime-types-ratified/ | Jul 24 22:04 |
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| cubezzz | Basically I agree hatred is bad. I sure like having source code for stuff though | Jul 24 22:07 |
| thenixedreport | Gotta restart. brb | Jul 24 22:08 |
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| thenixedreport | I'm back. | Jul 24 22:12 |
| thenixedreport | Got done with updating Fedora. | Jul 24 22:12 |
| thenixedreport | Again. | Jul 24 22:12 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jul 24 22:12 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no hatred | Jul 24 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Defense | Jul 24 22:13 |
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| homer | hello | Jul 24 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 24 22:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Impact of GNU/Linux on Microsoft’s Sharply-declining Numbers http://ping.fm/QHe6L | Jul 24 22:25 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 24 22:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Awesome news for CodeWeavers! http://is.gd/1KTOy | Jul 24 22:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Don't copy that psalter! Or 3000 blokes will be round with swords later. http://bit.ly/14uznJ | Jul 24 22:38 | |
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| _Goblin | hi all | Jul 24 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 24 22:53 |
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| _Goblin | Hi Roy...sorry I was taking a call. | Jul 24 23:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Something Rotten at NASSCOM and Microsoft (Again) http://ping.fm/bczRc | Jul 24 23:08 | |
| schestowitz | We need to resolve an Ogg issue, _Goblin | Jul 24 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Are you good with Apache? | Jul 24 23:08 |
| _Goblin | no, but I know a man who is.... | Jul 24 23:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll just wait for tessier. I didn't read manuals about it. In cpanel it was simple | Jul 24 23:08 |
| _Goblin | I am sure Chips is an expert on that... | Jul 24 23:09 |
| _Goblin | or certainly a keen interest.... | Jul 24 23:09 |
| schestowitz | It should be simply. Just need to serve ogv not as tetx | Jul 24 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I just need to restart apache. | Jul 24 23:10 |
| _Goblin | Im mainly now a 68k'r | Jul 24 23:10 |
| _Goblin | oh and still mess with C++ | Jul 24 23:10 |
| fewa | did novell really ban GPL3? | Jul 24 23:12 |
| fewa | ahh i read | Jul 24 23:12 |
| _Goblin | now Ive filtered most of the trolls from COLA I can actually enjoy the discussions now..... | Jul 24 23:13 |
| tacone | uh ? where ? | Jul 24 23:13 |
| tacone | MS doens't like gpl3 | Jul 24 23:14 |
| fewa | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/24/gplv3-reaches-over-50-pct/ | Jul 24 23:14 |
| tacone | nice, thx | Jul 24 23:19 |
| tacone | fsdaily broken http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Why_are_people_attacking_RMS | Jul 24 23:20 |
| tacone | also pretty reveling from a security standpoint | Jul 24 23:20 |
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| tacone | lunduke likes rms again http://lunduke.com/?p=732 | Jul 24 23:34 |
| tacone | how to make a rant from a good post of RMS: | Jul 24 23:39 |
| tacone | the pirate party worked with him to address his concerns and the result is a blind rant from this guy. bah | Jul 24 23:39 |
| Balrog_ | tacone: I'd be fine with 15 years of copyright. | Jul 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | tacone: dont' feed that troll ;-) | Jul 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | He's Windows user (at work) BTW | Jul 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | [if that matters] | Jul 24 23:41 |
| tacone | that doesn't matter | Jul 24 23:42 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: that doesn't really matter ... I know alot of people who use windows at work and hate it | Jul 24 23:42 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jul 24 23:42 |
| tacone | yes, he's unknown and deserves to keep being unknown | Jul 24 23:42 |
| Balrog_ | though yeah, I myself think 5 years is a little short =P | Jul 24 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I have no Windows at work | Jul 24 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Neither real windows nor Windows (the program) | Jul 24 23:42 |
| tacone | despite the post's title, the article is quite positive | Jul 24 23:42 |
| tacone | the end says the pirate party is working to address his concern | Jul 24 23:43 |
| Balrog_ | how do you feel about this whole palm / apple mess? I know it's another can of worms :( | Jul 24 23:43 |
| Balrog_ | but Palm doesn't offer another alternative ... if you want to keep playlists | Jul 24 23:44 |
| thenixedreport | Palm should let Amarok and other players in. | Jul 24 23:45 |
| Balrog_ | yes, and they should use the ituneslibrary xml file for itunes syncing | Jul 24 23:47 |
| Balrog_ | rather than the current hack | Jul 24 23:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Claims GPL Compliance Came Before Any Violation Claims http://ping.fm/EYqdP | Jul 24 23:50 | |
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