| schestowitz | Great video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E&NR=1 | Jul 26 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Mutex, we don't need your help | Jul 26 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | When you come to think of it, Linus wrote about 2% of Linux, which is only about 3% of the operating system you use | Jul 26 00:27 |
| schestowitz | That's a total of 2/33 %, or less than 0.1% of a 'Linux' (distribution) | Jul 26 00:28 |
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| wallclimber | interesting | Jul 26 00:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Uses More Software Patents to Market Itself http://ping.fm/9lZii | Jul 26 00:31 | |
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| _Goblin | right, that me done for the night...good night all...and remember... | Jul 26 00:40 |
| _Goblin | "Do unto others as they do unto GNU" - Thats a patented Goblin catchphrase by the way. | Jul 26 00:41 |
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| amarsh04_ | wow, just received an email with a bugfix from Theodore T'so | Jul 26 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Jul 26 01:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO and Darl McBride Paid $100,000 to Steven Norris http://ping.fm/pG051 | Jul 26 01:03 | |
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| cj | schestowitz: no comment, then? | Jul 26 01:24 |
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| Gotta love the Pirate Party. | Jul 26 06:04 | |
| -> The Internet could become the greatest public library ever created. | Jul 26 06:05 | |
| http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english | Jul 26 06:05 | |
| I wonder if they lurk here or if common sense is just everywhere. | Jul 26 06:05 | |
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| Ha ha. Feminists don't like being coopted by people like Lefty http://community.feministing.com/2009/07/feminism-co-option-and-open-so.html | Jul 26 07:22 | |
| -> I smelt a rat. You see, one of the other things RMS did in his speech was strongly criticize Mono, a very controversial piece of software. Though he attempts to pretend otherwise, the author of the blog, David "Lefty" Schlesinger, is a strong Mono supporter. In fact, his previous blog post is a fairly vicious attack on both a specific anti-Mono individual and on everyone who's anti-Mono. This is an area where Stallman's views | Jul 26 07:24 | |
| http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=feministing.com | Jul 26 07:26 | |
| http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://feministing.com | Jul 26 07:26 | |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 26 07:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The European Commission’s Battle Against Monopoly Abuse Takes Next Step, But What About Web Standards? http://ping.fm/bTuQH | Jul 26 08:26 | |
| :) | Jul 26 08:28 | |
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| I can imagine the M$ browser "ballot" | Jul 26 08:34 | |
| they will do everything they can to make sure only IE button is pressed. | Jul 26 08:35 | |
| Confusing dialogs with intentionally bad language, placement, bad graphics for alternates, and so on and so forth. | Jul 26 08:36 | |
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| schestowitz | The butterfly... not the MS buterfly | Jul 26 08:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Signs That Vista 7 — Like Vista — Will Pose Compatibility Issues http://ping.fm/MXPL5 | Jul 26 08:44 | |
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| _Goblin | morning all. | Jul 26 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Hey, _Goblin | Jul 26 09:01 |
| _Goblin | :) | Jul 26 09:04 |
| _Goblin | anything happening? | Jul 26 09:04 |
| schestowitz | Welll, yeah. | Jul 26 09:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's hand in SCO may become more visible | Jul 26 09:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft XBox360 and Windows Mobile Are Still Losing It http://ping.fm/8YSvr | Jul 26 09:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Link Found Between Potential SCO Rescuers and Microsoft http://ping.fm/iNWfe | Jul 26 09:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Tale of Apples http://ping.fm/BUDjs | Jul 26 09:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Demonstrates the Upper Hand of the GPL and Microsoft’s Inability to Defeat It http://ping.fm/iVbnN | Jul 26 10:32 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://www.clintonbegin.com/2008/02/clintons-java-5-rant.html | Jul 26 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | I suspect this guy is a microsoft shill | Jul 26 10:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Stock Collapses on Friday After Very Disappointing Results http://ping.fm/vhmHW | Jul 26 10:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Zealand Post Dumps Microsoft for Google, Lies Ensue http://ping.fm/hClXj | Jul 26 11:32 | |
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| schestowitz | TheHubris is _Mutex_ | Jul 26 11:48 |
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| Eruaran | hello.. | Jul 26 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 26 11:48 |
| Eruaran | hi Roy | Jul 26 11:48 |
| Eruaran | I had a go at an ISP on Friday | Jul 26 11:49 |
| Eruaran | :P | Jul 26 11:49 |
| Eruaran | We have a customer who has Ubuntu on their PC (which they like very much)... they signed up with Optus for their internet and since the disk Optus sent didn't work with Ubuntu they called asking for help with the initial setup | Jul 26 11:50 |
| Eruaran | They told them to install Windows | Jul 26 11:51 |
| Eruaran | The customer came to us and we set up their modem for them | Jul 26 11:51 |
| Eruaran | And I promptly gave Optus some 'feedback' about their customer service | Jul 26 11:52 |
| Eruaran | We also had a lady who insisted that she'd been getting dialup internet by plugging her phone line into her PC's ethernet port, but that's another story... ;) | Jul 26 11:54 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft's numbers... ugly eh ? | Jul 26 11:55 |
| schestowitz | ISPs Windows only? | Jul 26 12:01 |
| schestowitz | What about Macs? | Jul 26 12:01 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mississippi Paid up to $60 Million in Vouchers After Microsoft’s Violations of the Law http://ping.fm/mf06V | Jul 26 12:03 | |
| Eruaran | yup | Jul 26 12:11 |
| Eruaran | Optus gave them instructions for Mac | Jul 26 12:11 |
| Eruaran | "why take diet pills when you can enjoy Ayd's" (pronounced Aids) | Jul 26 12:12 |
| Eruaran | (ad on FailBlog) | Jul 26 12:12 |
| Eruaran | Yes, I abused Optus, calling them rude and incompetent. | Jul 26 12:13 |
| TheHubris | it would help alot if Optus was australian based | Jul 26 12:13 |
| Eruaran | They are, they're just owned by Singtel | Jul 26 12:14 |
| TheHubris | Yes, in Singapore | Jul 26 12:14 |
| Eruaran | A few years ago I got better service when I was with Optus | Jul 26 12:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Hopes to Make Money from Lawsuits in China http://ping.fm/pu7Xw | Jul 26 12:16 | |
| TheHubris | yes, Ive never had big problems with them, | Jul 26 12:16 |
| TheHubris | Only 60 or 70 mil, basically nothing Roy. but some. more than I have | Jul 26 12:16 |
| Eruaran | The issue wasn't a big deal, whoever the customer spoke to on the phone just didn't handle it very well. | Jul 26 12:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Good night at Vagabonds. Six pints, all donated. Lots of pics. Hung over now. | Jul 26 12:44 | |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Jul 26 12:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Bill Gates Did in India: Business as Usual http://ping.fm/GsInn | Jul 26 12:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Our stray cat Tabs adopted us one year ago today! | Jul 26 12:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In Defense of Boycott Novell http://ping.fm/TEKxp | Jul 26 13:18 | |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jul 26 13:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | someone defended BN? | Jul 26 13:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | shit, I feel sorry for that guy | Jul 26 13:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes going to have clueless fucks spamming is blog with shitty comments | Jul 26 13:19 |
| *Diablo-D3 snickers | Jul 26 13:20 | |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft is the most expensive comedy act ever | Jul 26 13:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @mrbill Local Man Hailed As Hero After Beating Self-Proclaimed Social Media Expert Within Inches Of Life http://tinyurl.com/mf4rp8 | Jul 26 13:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | does david gerard hang out in here? | Jul 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes. Please watch your language again. | Jul 26 13:22 |
| trmanco | nice article | Jul 26 13:31 |
| trmanco | I mean the one "in defense os bn" | Jul 26 13:32 |
| trmanco | of* | Jul 26 13:32 |
| TheHubris | so are the comments about it | Jul 26 13:39 |
| Eruaran | I've been learning about Nikola Tesla lately | Jul 26 13:53 |
| Eruaran | What a legend | Jul 26 13:53 |
| Eruaran | And though dead he may yet turn science on its head as people turn back to him for inspiration. | Jul 26 13:55 |
| Eruaran | If you don't know anything about him, I highly recommend finding out... its mind blowing. | Jul 26 13:55 |
| TheHubris | what did he develop that is in common use today ?? and what does a tesla coil do ? :) | Jul 26 13:58 |
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| Diablo-D3 | TheHubris: the tesla coil is not a useful defensive weapon | Jul 26 14:09 |
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| TheHubris | I dont know have you ever been on the wrong end of one ?? if you have you dont want to again LOL | Jul 26 14:13 |
| TheHubris | you use weapons for offense, not so much defense, I find the best defense is a good fast run away. Works for me. | Jul 26 14:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Antitrust: How Microsoft Came up with Windows Bundling http://ping.fm/hCO07 | Jul 26 14:25 | |
| schestowitz | For those who don't know, TheHubris is _Mutex_ a nymshifting troll. | Jul 26 14:25 |
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| thenixedreport | Hey everyone. | Jul 26 16:38 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Jul 26 16:38 |
| thenixedreport | I'm thinking about giving Gentoo a whirl. | Jul 26 16:39 |
| mikankun | I love gentoo | Jul 26 16:41 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 26 16:41 |
| mikankun | switched to it after about 6 or 7 years of only using slackware | Jul 26 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYsko_tc3a0 | Jul 26 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10294935-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Jul 26 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Another shot at so-called ;'purists' | Jul 26 17:05 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Jul 26 17:05 | |
| You must be aware that Ponzi claimed that title for himself -> (05:40:18 AM) Diablo-D3: microsoft is the most expensive comedy act ever | Jul 26 17:08 | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi | Jul 26 17:08 | |
| -> In the hospital, Ponzi granted one last interview to an American reporter, telling him, "Even if they never got anything for it, it was cheap at that price. Without malice aforethought I had given them the best show that was ever staged in their territory since the landing of the Pilgrims! It was easily worth fifteen million bucks to watch me put the thing over." | Jul 26 17:11 | |
| schestowitz | Enron became iconic | Jul 26 17:11 |
| Maddoff has taken Ponzi's place. | Jul 26 17:11 | |
| schestowitz | You know what they say... | Jul 26 17:11 |
| schestowitz | In America, everything's bigger | Jul 26 17:11 |
| something of a scape goat, given the general fraud. | Jul 26 17:11 | |
| schestowitz | To bad Ponzi too was in the US | Jul 26 17:11 |
| schestowitz | *too | Jul 26 17:12 |
| Maddoff, Enron, Ponzi, M$. They all go together somehow. | Jul 26 17:13 | |
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| No, this happens here too. ISPs have people read Windows only scripts instead to telling them what they need to know. -> Eruaran: The issue wasn't a big deal, whoever the customer spoke to on the phone just didn't handle it very well. | Jul 26 17:18 | |
| They begin with "Open Internet Explorer" | Jul 26 17:18 | |
| Eruaran | indeed | Jul 26 17:19 |
| Or "reboot your computer" LOL | Jul 26 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 26 17:19 |
| Eruaran | I regularly speak to people who don't know what a "web browser" is | Jul 26 17:19 |
| If you pretend to do all the button clicking and rebooting, you might get the information you need. | Jul 26 17:19 | |
| Eruaran | You ask someone over the phone to open up a web browser and they don't know what youre talking about | Jul 26 17:20 |
| Eruaran | So what happens is you first SIGH | Jul 26 17:20 |
| schestowitz | "Madam, will you please switch off your Sony and click on that blue "E" button on your VCR (eject)" | Jul 26 17:20 |
| Eruaran | then you say, Internet Explorer... and they go, "ooooh ! yes I have that" | Jul 26 17:20 |
| *amarsh04__ is now known as amarsh04 | Jul 26 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft thrives in such stupidity | Jul 26 17:21 |
| Yes that too seems common. M$ branding is all over. It's not text, it's a "word doc". It's not a spreadsheet it's an "Excel spreadsheet" | Jul 26 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | They don't adverttise Windows | Jul 26 17:21 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: exactly | Jul 26 17:21 |
| schestowitz | They advertise "PC" | Jul 26 17:21 |
| schestowitz | It's either Mac or PC | Jul 26 17:21 |
| schestowitz | It comes with WIndows | Jul 26 17:21 |
| schestowitz | It's part of the computer | Jul 26 17:21 |
| Yes they do advertise Windows, they get the OEM's to "recommend" it. | Jul 26 17:22 | |
| like zombies | Jul 26 17:22 | |
| schestowitz | That applies to many 70% of the population | Jul 26 17:22 |
| schestowitz | dumb and thus exploitable | Jul 26 17:22 |
| no, simply exploited. | Jul 26 17:22 | |
| schestowitz | Ah. "recommend"... | Jul 26 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Putin recommends KGB | Jul 26 17:22 |
| Eruaran | I watched a couple of idiots once who couldn't figure out how to put air in their car tyre at the service station | Jul 26 17:22 |
| Eruaran | The air pump was automated | Jul 26 17:23 |
| I might have problems trusting that myself. | Jul 26 17:23 | |
| BSoD, tire goes boom. | Jul 26 17:23 | |
| Eruaran | you set the pressure by clicking the BIG arrow buttons that shows you a BIG display and plug it into the tyre | Jul 26 17:23 |
| Eruaran | these guys couldn't work it out and I thought | Jul 26 17:23 |
| click an pray | Jul 26 17:23 | |
| Eruaran | "this is how Microsoft succeeds" | Jul 26 17:23 |
| Eruaran | people are stupid | Jul 26 17:24 |
| Eruaran | refer to BillG spidermonkey comment | Jul 26 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I believe it's fake | Jul 26 17:24 |
| schestowitz | It later turned out | Jul 26 17:24 |
| schestowitz | But still, with peoplle who can't use a pump... c'mon...? | Jul 26 17:24 |
| Eruaran | Like Linus' masturbating monkeys comment ? | Jul 26 17:25 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Jul 26 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Can they even use a condom? | Jul 26 17:25 |
| Eruaran | hahahaha | Jul 26 17:25 |
| schestowitz | No wonder contraception doesn't work | Jul 26 17:25 |
| It's too bad you did not include that feministing link in the BN defense article. | Jul 26 17:25 | |
| Eruaran | I don't want to think about it | Jul 26 17:25 |
| schestowitz | It's Linus who is chauvinist | Jul 26 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Not RMS | Jul 26 17:26 |
| I thought the "smells a rat" quote by an actual feminist site and the reasoning behind it was useful | Jul 26 17:26 | |
| schestowitz | Linus made remarks like "when men were men and wrote their own device drivers" (from memory) | Jul 26 17:26 |
| Eruaran | Linus is a git, he admits it | Jul 26 17:26 |
| The "one night stand" comments from M$ are also telling. It is no wonder people have a dim view of the software world. | Jul 26 17:26 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft womanises IT | Jul 26 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft compares its conduct to "screwing" IT people and dumping them | Jul 26 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ask MTV about MS DRM | Jul 26 17:27 |
| schestowitz | What was it called back then? | Jul 26 17:27 |
| right, all reflective of their poor attitude towards women. | Jul 26 17:27 | |
| schestowitz | PlaysForSure? | Jul 26 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft left MV pregnant and dumped | Jul 26 17:27 |
| Eruaran | Nothing tops what our company director told a customer once who couldn't understand why they kept getting viruses | Jul 26 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | *MTV | Jul 26 17:27 |
| Eruaran | This guy kept going to porn sites and of course he used Windows | Jul 26 17:27 |
| schestowitz | MTV was Microsoft's "one-night stand" | Jul 26 17:27 |
| Eruaran | In an attempt to explain to this guy that we can fix his computer but not his behaviour | Jul 26 17:28 |
| Eruaran | this is what he said | Jul 26 17:28 |
| Eruaran | "its like you have AIDS, I can't fix your AIDS" | Jul 26 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Well... | Jul 26 17:28 |
| schestowitz | AIDS? | Jul 26 17:28 |
| Eruaran | yes | Jul 26 17:28 |
| Eruaran | he meant he had a disease | Jul 26 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Stamp his hands, like in Canadian barsl. | Jul 26 17:29 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Jul 26 17:29 |
| Windows lack of defenses compared to AIDS? | Jul 26 17:29 | |
| interesting. | Jul 26 17:29 | |
| Eruaran | no | Jul 26 17:29 |
| ThistleWeb | "uhm no sonny, I don't have a hearing aid, I was complaining that I keep getting viruses" | Jul 26 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 Venereal Edition | Jul 26 17:29 |
| Well, you can go browsing porn with reasonable software. | Jul 26 17:29 | |
| Eruaran | hahahah | Jul 26 17:29 |
| Eruaran | It was the guys behavior that was the problem... and he insisted on using Windows | Jul 26 17:30 |
| Tell the poor guy that he has to make a decision about what's important in his life. Porn or Windows. | Jul 26 17:30 | |
| Suggest a special browsing computer for the porn. | Jul 26 17:30 | |
| Eruaran | More recently our company director described Windows users who use Limewire as like people who go on sex tours in asia... "you will get a disease" | Jul 26 17:30 |
| ThistleWeb | windows is a russian roulette at the best of times in surfing, but when you go into the areas of porn, warez, p2p etc you're asking to be infected with every other click of the mouse | Jul 26 17:31 |
| I think that would apply anywhere. | Jul 26 17:31 | |
| Eruaran | I don't care about the guy.. its just a funny story | Jul 26 17:31 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter how many layers of security software you have running | Jul 26 17:31 |
| Eruaran | If you knew our director, and his chinese accent you'd realise how hilarious it is | Jul 26 17:31 |
| ThistleWeb | "no wanky wanky for you and your PC will be fine" | Jul 26 17:32 |
| I get a kick out of these p0wn sites. I like to visit them from time to time to watch the fireworks fizzle. | Jul 26 17:32 | |
| "Warning, your computer has a virus" in big XP dialog box. | Jul 26 17:33 | |
| ThistleWeb | the flash vids that want your to download player.exe | Jul 26 17:33 |
| Then it pretends to scan my Windows directory. | Jul 26 17:33 | |
| very funny. | Jul 26 17:33 | |
| Flash is not something I use. | Jul 26 17:33 | |
| This cuts out a lot of monkey business. | Jul 26 17:33 | |
| But, you know, the customer is always right. Give him something that will work. | Jul 26 17:34 | |
| ThistleWeb | it looks like a flash porn vid in pause mode, when you click on it, it wants you to download the exe.....of course noscript and linux actually lets you see it, where windows will just download and install it "for your convienence" | Jul 26 17:34 |
| Eruaran | You can't help someone who uses Windows XP (and is not open to change) and thinks it is your responsibility to look after his security so he can visit porn sites. | Jul 26 17:35 |
| Windows will download things without a click. | Jul 26 17:35 | |
| So, tell him clearly that he'll have to use something else for porn. | Jul 26 17:35 | |
| or that he'll be getting a $150 wipe and reload every month. | Jul 26 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | ActiveX is drive-by install | Jul 26 17:36 |
| ThistleWeb | tell him that some of the viruses he picks up can let crackers access his documents, and copy any files he has | Jul 26 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Visit site, get owned, no intervention | Jul 26 17:36 |
| right | Jul 26 17:36 | |
| ThistleWeb | so any private stuff can be seen by someone else without him ever knowing | Jul 26 17:36 |
| ThistleWeb | not just seen, but copies and distributed | Jul 26 17:36 |
| ThistleWeb | imagine private pics of the wife put on myspace | Jul 26 17:37 |
| Outlook also does the same and worse. It uses IE and Word for rendering, so all of those flaws are right there too. | Jul 26 17:37 | |
| Eruaran | Had a customer recently who wanted to blame us and hold us responsible (under warranty, which only covers hardware) for WGA telling her that her copy of Microsoft Office was "not genuine". | Jul 26 17:37 |
| ThistleWeb | if he has confidential work stuff on his PC, that being leaked may just lose him his job, or worse | Jul 26 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but 'everyone's doing it' (cracking WIndows) | Jul 26 17:38 |
| schestowitz | it's the acceptance of bad engineering that's a plague | Jul 26 17:38 |
| ThistleWeb | tell him to install emule and set his directory to my documents and save the crackers the hassle | Jul 26 17:38 |
| schestowitz | A teacher almost going to prison and instead getting HELL because of some pr0n popup in infected school PCs | Jul 26 17:39 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess with the amount of easy targets, being a needle in a haystack does lessen the odds of it being you that's screwed over | Jul 26 17:39 |
| Eruaran | teacher ? | Jul 26 17:40 |
| No, idiot institutions look for a fall guy. | Jul 26 17:40 | |
| having problems only means that more people will suffer and be blamed. | Jul 26 17:40 | |
| ThistleWeb | it is funny, but would peeps buy a car that could drive for 10 miles at 50mph before it had to be stopped and restarted? | Jul 26 17:40 |
| ThistleWeb | if that's all they know or see, they will | Jul 26 17:40 |
| In the case of the teacher, school administrators punish to cast blame away from their bad decision to use Windows in the first place. | Jul 26 17:41 | |
| ThistleWeb | if every car forecourt and garage only offers that brand of car | Jul 26 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: hold on, will get the refrence | Jul 26 17:41 |
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| They imagine the calls they will get from parents and call the police, bust the teacher. | Jul 26 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=teacher+malware+popup&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Jul 26 17:41 |
| There's been more than one case like that. | Jul 26 17:42 | |
| schestowitz | Connecticut Teacher Facing Jail for Porno Popups http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lindsay-beyerstein/connecticut-teacher-facin_b_39384.html | Jul 26 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Teacher Faces Prison for Pop-Up Infested PC http://www.pcworld.com/article/128672/teacher_faces_prison_for_popup_infested_pc.html | Jul 26 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Teacher granted new trial in pop-up porn case, Sophos comments http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2007/06/amero.html | Jul 26 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Substitute teacher's conviction for porn popups set aside http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/06/amero_conviction_set_aside/ | Jul 26 17:42 |
| schestowitz | You get the picture [pun] | Jul 26 17:42 |
| ThistleWeb | thing with kids being exposed to porn....I wonder how many of the boys especially thought "nah, that site ain't great, a better one is ......" | Jul 26 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They should go after the pr0n site or makers of Windows and Internet Explorer | Jul 26 17:43 |
| schestowitz | THe teacher was innocent | Jul 26 17:43 |
| ThistleWeb | or "hey, I saw that the other night on my dads PC, he has it bookmarked" | Jul 26 17:43 |
| schestowitz | It's easy to blame the little people | Jul 26 17:43 |
| schestowitz | The "pirates" or "terrorists' | Jul 26 17:43 |
| schestowitz | The Big Boys like Microsoft are always above criticism | Jul 26 17:43 |
| Kids are busy swapping pictures of each other, and they also get sent to jail for that. Gotta protect the innocents from exploiting themselves by putting them in jail. | Jul 26 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | They wear SUITS! :-) | Jul 26 17:43 |
| gotta look respectable | Jul 26 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | Gr....... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/25/novell-uses-intellectual-monopolies/#comments trollfest | Jul 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes,respectable like OJ | Jul 26 17:44 |
| Eruaran | Can't believe she was even arrested at all... that is completely ridiculous | Jul 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | How many WIndows users had pr0no popup jump at them when they tries to show a friend/family something banal on the PC? | Jul 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Using WIndows is legally dagerous | Jul 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Too much liability | Jul 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Esp. for teachers | Jul 26 17:45 |
| Eruaran | It happened to me at the library once | Jul 26 17:46 |
| Eruaran | I was showing my mother how to use Google... | Jul 26 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Cross your fingers and pray it ain't one of those hundreds of millions of zombies | Jul 26 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: probably then accused of doing the popup.. | Jul 26 17:46 |
| schestowitz | It happened to me too | Jul 26 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Show some financial site to some memeber of family. | Jul 26 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Or be in a business meeting when some v1agra of pr0on E-mail comes into the box | Jul 26 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Windows zombies inject filth everything :-) | Jul 26 17:47 |
| schestowitz | *everyWhere | Jul 26 17:47 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe there was an innocent mix up in keywords "ATM" has a different meaning in porn to banking | Jul 26 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: next time show your mom how to use Google only if the PC runs Linux | Jul 26 17:48 |
| that is a troll fest. looks like the latest batch of hoops did not stop the trolls, only annoyed blocked normal users. | Jul 26 17:48 | |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: this was back in the 90's | Jul 26 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: same here | Jul 26 17:48 |
| the only way around it is to block the troll accounts. | Jul 26 17:48 | |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: no ad blockers at the time | Jul 26 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Lousy IE for the most part. Microsoft committed crimes to shut Netscape down | Jul 26 17:49 |
| ThistleWeb | I forget how bad surfing is with ads, I tried arora the other day for imdb.com....that site is loaded with adverts | Jul 26 17:50 |
| gnash has potential for taking care of the worst ads | Jul 26 17:50 | |
| IE is unusable | Jul 26 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: they don't break out policy | Jul 26 17:50 |
| schestowitz | But they are all cozy in their new accounts.... shooting awa | Jul 26 17:51 |
| schestowitz | *away | Jul 26 17:51 |
| apply the P.J. common sense rules. | Jul 26 17:51 | |
| they harass your users | Jul 26 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | Where it Groklaw's policy? | Jul 26 17:51 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04 might know | Jul 26 17:51 |
| I think it's in P.J.'s head. | Jul 26 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | And yes, they harass readers, but it's a tricky one | Jul 26 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Telling apart debate from abuse | Jul 26 17:52 |
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| If you have gotten into the business of using judgment to kick users, you have to trust and use your judgment. | Jul 26 17:53 | |
| When you see "troll fest" you should kick. | Jul 26 17:54 | |
| yes, the little trolls will whine and cry. so what? | Jul 26 17:54 | |
| They will accuse you of all the same things no matter what you do. | Jul 26 17:55 | |
| amarsh04 | what did you want to know about Groklaw's policy? | Jul 26 17:55 |
| where it's published. | Jul 26 17:55 | |
| From what I've read. PJ just "throws their fanny over the fence" | Jul 26 17:56 | |
| schestowitz | christian put the good news in /. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/25/2036227/Linux-Notebooks-Selling-Well-On-Amazon-Germany | Jul 26 17:57 |
| amarsh04 | go to www.groklaw.net, select "about Groklaw" then select "Comments Policy" http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2004030120301285 | Jul 26 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jul 26 17:57 |
| TheHubris | might as well just remover comments alltogether, otherwise people are bound to say things you dont agree with. | Jul 26 17:58 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: reads well | Jul 26 17:59 |
| *#boycottnovell :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Jul 26 17:59 | |
| *#boycottnovell :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Jul 26 17:59 | |
| >ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Jul 26 17:59 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Jul 26 17:59 | |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*@121.217.237.51 | Jul 26 17:59 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked TheHubris from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jul 26 17:59 | |
| schestowitz | Mutex | Jul 26 17:59 |
| schestowitz | How many nymshifts so far? | Jul 26 18:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Last night's Vagabonds pics up already! (I was hungover and not doing anything else.) http://bit.ly/14ljTk | Jul 26 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | He nymshifts to start with a clean sheet and then plays innocent and portrays himself as a victim | Jul 26 18:02 |
| schestowitz | He'll be back with a new name | Jul 26 18:02 |
| *Balrog has quit () | Jul 26 18:02 | |
| ThistleWeb | on the shills, you have to look at the morality of someone who would take a job, get paid......to destroy something | Jul 26 18:05 |
| ThistleWeb | to have a negative impact, rather than help make something better | Jul 26 18:05 |
| ThistleWeb | of course you could flip that on it's head and say they are making things better for their employer by helping remove a source of resource diversions | Jul 26 18:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz http://bit.ly/18pBqm | Jul 26 18:07 | |
| Oh, you mean the morals of someone who gets a kick out of harassment and other vile behavior? So that the world can be safe for the one true OS? | Jul 26 18:07 | |
| ha | Jul 26 18:07 | |
| ThistleWeb | if you have to actually spend money making your product better because there's another comparable alternative for your customers to choose | Jul 26 18:07 |
| ThistleWeb | by taking that competitor out, you can remove resources from imrpoving your own, knowing your customers have no choice buy to be your customers | Jul 26 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, I agree. I will start warning people who attack peers | Jul 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | There is only one person whose account I ever terminated and he created a new one | Jul 26 18:11 |
| ThistleWeb | wow, taking aim at someone appointed by the Queen, what a patriot | Jul 26 18:11 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, yeah I know what you mean | Jul 26 18:11 |
| neighborlee | hmm nice hearing about solang ;0- | Jul 26 18:12 |
| neighborlee | been busy | Jul 26 18:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] French schools distribute GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/sNLGG [via @davidgerard ] | Jul 26 18:14 | |
| ThistleWeb | business can have a negative impact on competition, that's natural, but doing it by competing fairly and offering a better choice, instead of intentionally setting out to cause a negative impact | Jul 26 18:14 |
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| *ThistleWeb is not quite finding the right words at this point, but you know what I mean | Jul 26 18:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I don't like the fact that FOSS vendors enter the arena of legalised bribery (AKA "lobbying") http://ping.fm/WRDHR | Jul 26 18:16 | |
| ThistleWeb | often peeps who attack can be either paid to do it, someone with a grudge, or someone who genuinely thinks they're helping their cause by doing it | Jul 26 18:16 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of peeps can lash out, but often that's a one-off, heat of the moment thing, so if they get kicked or banned they won't bother coming back | Jul 26 18:17 |
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| ThistleWeb | I'm guessing Mutex is growing into someone with a grudge and an obsession, to keep trying to get in and disrupt | Jul 26 18:18 |
| ThistleWeb | every time he's spotted and banned, it spurs him on to trying again | Jul 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: he does this in comments to | Jul 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | *too. Under the name nemesis | Jul 26 18:19 |
| ThistleWeb | he seems not to care that he's wasting hours each day, trying to get into somewhere he knows don't want him and will ban him when he's spotted | Jul 26 18:19 |
| ThistleWeb | out of curiosity, does the name legend or reign appear? | Jul 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | This reminds me to eliminate his account that he trolls from | Jul 26 18:20 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Hi | Jul 26 18:20 |
| ThistleWeb | I ask because before I found linux and irc I was a regular in a yahoo chat room, which would have 2 dudes with millions of names, mostly with "nemisis" "legend" "reign" etc, all xbox nuts, who would happily spend hours each day flooding the room with bots to disrupt our conversations | Jul 26 18:21 |
| ThistleWeb | they'd come in, jump on the mic and BLARGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jul 26 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | just to piss us off | Jul 26 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | when you wildcard ignore one group of names, they'd appear with more | Jul 26 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | the yahoo room limit was 50 peeps | Jul 26 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | so 45 bot names appearing can kick out most of the genuine chatters | Jul 26 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm wondering if it's the same asshat, only now he's found irc | Jul 26 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | these 2 would also happily boot (or try to boot) people out of the rooms | Jul 26 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | in IRC only the ops can do that thankfully | Jul 26 18:24 |
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| ThistleWeb | you have to wonder at what these peeps get out of their obsession | Jul 26 18:25 |
| ThistleWeb | to me, if there's a room full of people who I KNOW don't want me in it, it's never gonna be a fun place for me to be even if I manage to sneak in, so what's the point of even trying? I know I'm not wanted, so I won't waste any time trying to get in | Jul 26 18:26 |
| trmanco | people just have too much time on their hands I guess | Jul 26 18:27 |
| ThistleWeb | it's different obviously if it's your job to get in, then you have no choice but to keep trying | Jul 26 18:27 |
| ThistleWeb | but for the common obsessive basement dwelling virgin, you have to think "you really need to get a life" | Jul 26 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe someone should pay for a hand job from a street hooker, after the sexual interaction with someone of the female persuasion, they may just tune their priorities a bit | Jul 26 18:29 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, we all know what lobbyists do :) | Jul 26 18:30 |
| neighborlee | and why | Jul 26 18:30 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, peeps who are paid to, you can understand the why | Jul 26 18:30 |
| ThistleWeb | but peeps who do it for free | Jul 26 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I\''ve just cleaned up a bit (suspended accounts) | Jul 26 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | the ex is one possible reason I guess; once part of the gang but fell out over some spat | Jul 26 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | but someone who was never part of the gang, don't get paid, yet chooses to waste hours each day / night doing it? | Jul 26 18:32 |
| ThistleWeb | where they could be doing anything | Jul 26 18:32 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, are they doing it for free ? | Jul 26 18:32 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jul 26 18:33 |
| ThistleWeb | the internet is for porn, so if they want to be a wanker there are other, more satisfying ways of achieving the goal | Jul 26 18:33 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jul 26 18:33 |
| neighborlee | ew | Jul 26 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Top 20 OpenSSH Server Best Security Practices http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-bsd-openssh-server-best-practices.html | Jul 26 18:34 |
| ThistleWeb | unless the reward is the reaction itself | Jul 26 18:35 |
| ThistleWeb | so eventually, when peeps don't react to them, of just ignore them altogether, eventually they get bored of being ignored and give up | Jul 26 18:36 |
| ThistleWeb | like a kid throwing a tantrum | Jul 26 18:36 |
| ThistleWeb | in the yahoo chat I always used to just ignore them | Jul 26 18:37 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter what they say or do, just ignore them | Jul 26 18:37 |
| ThistleWeb | don't even aknowledge their existence | Jul 26 18:37 |
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| wallclimber | Hi! | Jul 26 18:41 |
| ThistleWeb | hey wallclimber | Jul 26 18:41 |
| wallclimber | what's new? | Jul 26 18:42 |
| wallclimber | I've been doing "stupid user" things to my poor 'puter | Jul 26 18:42 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jul 26 18:42 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 26 18:43 |
| wallclimber | spent the last 24 hours fixing my mistakes | Jul 26 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Are IT security journalists -- insecure? < http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/07/are-it-security-journalists-in.html > | Jul 26 18:43 |
| schestowitz | 'Puter, eh, wallclimber ? | Jul 26 18:43 |
| wallclimber | yes, it's an ubu-'puter...lol | Jul 26 18:43 |
| ThistleWeb | puter does sound like rood slang | Jul 26 18:43 |
| schestowitz | What did you do? | Jul 26 18:43 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: sounds kind of Yorkshiry | Jul 26 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | it does eh | Jul 26 18:45 |
| wallclimber | well, first i crippled the poor gnome, and then i tried kubuntu, and then i reinstalled and killed grub...the live cd froze and wouldn't finish...got that fixed and tried the koala, killed the koala, and now have everything back to where i started (aren't you sorry you asked?) :) | Jul 26 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | for some reason I can almost think in Manc after watching 4 series of Ideal | Jul 26 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | and a Mac accent | Jul 26 18:46 |
| ThistleWeb | Manc* | Jul 26 18:46 |
| ThistleWeb | awright fella | Jul 26 18:46 |
| ThistleWeb | nicely nicely | Jul 26 18:46 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: maybe the statistical misfortune | Jul 26 18:47 |
| ThistleWeb | I've had mixed luck installing ubuntu from the live cd | Jul 26 18:47 |
| schestowitz | How can GNOME be "Crippled" | Jul 26 18:47 |
| wallclimber | so, if "'puter" is rod, I should say "pewter" instead? | Jul 26 18:47 |
| wallclimber | *roo* | Jul 26 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Punter | Jul 26 18:47 |
| ThistleWeb | where it appears fine, but has some odd errors you know shouldn't happen | Jul 26 18:47 |
| wallclimber | crap, i can't spell today "rude" | Jul 26 18:48 |
| ThistleWeb | wallclimber: my fault | Jul 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: if you preserve you home directory, then it's simple | Jul 26 18:48 |
| wallclimber | how do i do that? | Jul 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | In the worst of circumstance you do a 20-min clean install | Jul 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Then graft the home directory over there | Jul 26 18:48 |
| ThistleWeb | always have a sparate home partition | Jul 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Everything is there as a file | Jul 26 18:49 |
| ThistleWeb | I usually have 3, / swap and home | Jul 26 18:49 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: external HDD or somehting | Jul 26 18:49 |
| schestowitz | That's how I migrate between computers | Jul 26 18:49 |
| ThistleWeb | even if you need to wipe it, copy the home partition including all the .files and .folders | Jul 26 18:49 |
| schestowitz | You can take all your user settings b/w computers and distros, not just versions | Jul 26 18:49 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: that can be mixed too, specially between rpm and deb distros | Jul 26 18:50 |
| ThistleWeb | or apps who have changed their config file locations between versions, or distros modifications | Jul 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | bash-3.2$ df | Jul 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | Jul 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | /dev/sda1 8056492 3865984 3781256 51% / | Jul 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | /dev/sda6 85064284 68666584 16397700 81% /home | Jul 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | /dev/sda9 192149596 176953444 5435464 98% /mnt/storage | Jul 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | /dev/sdc1 288435168 243912420 29871068 90% /media/disk | Jul 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | /dev/sdb1 307663800 292035480 0 100% /media/disk-1 | Jul 26 18:50 |
| wallclimber | i've heard that people do that, but when ubu installs I haven't seen a way to tell it to put Home on the seperate drive (I have LOTS of external storage) | Jul 26 18:50 |
| ThistleWeb | I always have a separate /home partition | Jul 26 18:51 |
| ThistleWeb | if I was installing a server i'd have a separate /var | Jul 26 18:51 |
| wallclimber | Thistleweb: how do you direct the installer to use the home partition? | Jul 26 18:51 |
| ThistleWeb | manual partitioning | Jul 26 18:51 |
| ThistleWeb | use entire disk | Jul 26 18:51 |
| ThistleWeb | then create your sized partitions | Jul 26 18:52 |
| ThistleWeb | there's a box for "use" | Jul 26 18:52 |
| ThistleWeb | it is a drop down menu | Jul 26 18:52 |
| wallclimber | yes, i remember it | Jul 26 18:52 |
| ThistleWeb | with options from / to /usr swap etc | Jul 26 18:52 |
| ThistleWeb | just pick your biggest partition and set it to home | Jul 26 18:52 |
| *schestowitz dual boots on this PC... Ubuntu and Mandriva | Jul 26 18:52 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh why those two? | Jul 26 18:53 |
| schestowitz | No idea... :-[ | Jul 26 18:53 |
| ThistleWeb | a separate swap partition can help too, again, same way | Jul 26 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Does Mandriva have Ext4? | Jul 26 18:53 |
| wallclimber | Thank you ThistleWeb | Jul 26 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Russian roulette with distros instead of bullets | Jul 26 18:53 |
| ThistleWeb | np | Jul 26 18:53 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: no, it's 2008.1 | Jul 26 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | that's the latest? | Jul 26 18:54 |
| ThistleWeb | the / will include everything not specifically split onto other partitions | Jul 26 18:54 |
| wallclimber | Roy, the latest Comes article looks great | Jul 26 18:54 |
| ThistleWeb | having a separate /home has another advantage | Jul 26 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Satire: Open Source Geeks Take to DC Streets < http://www.esarcasm.com/2481/open-source-geeks-take-to-dc-streets/ > | Jul 26 18:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Recession buster: £45 will make you a movie! : http://bit.ly/ULw9r #horror | Jul 26 18:55 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: no 2009.1 is the latest | Jul 26 18:55 |
| ThistleWeb | if you need to reoinstall the same distro, you can use that partition and set it NOT to format, so you should have all your settings and files on first boot | Jul 26 18:55 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: another one comes [pun] tomorrow | Jul 26 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yep that's what I thought that there's a later one, well why are you using the older one then? | Jul 26 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I need to separate them for sites to pick us | Jul 26 18:55 |
| schestowitz | *up | Jul 26 18:55 |
| wallclimber | ThistleWeb, will that work on an upgrade too? | Jul 26 18:56 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it works | Jul 26 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | should do yes | Jul 26 18:56 |
| wallclimber | that's great. thanks for the information | Jul 26 18:56 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 26 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: which version of Ubuntu do you have? older again? 8.10? | Jul 26 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | there's a box next to each partition on the installer about "format", make sure the /home is selected to be used as /home but NOT ticked to be formatted | Jul 26 18:56 |
| wallclimber | so much to learn...so few brain cells :) | Jul 26 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | oh, and back up just in case | Jul 26 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | in theory you shouldn't need it | Jul 26 18:57 |
| wallclimber | I keep my own files backed up, always | Jul 26 18:58 |
| ThistleWeb | in that case you will be fine | Jul 26 18:58 |
| ThistleWeb | every time I reinstall, I use the same / swap and home, but only format the / | Jul 26 18:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open source advocates still called zealots" < http://ping.fm/LF7ed > The small party gets called "zealous", it doesn't wear suits. | Jul 26 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: 8.094 | Jul 26 18:59 |
| schestowitz | *04 | Jul 26 18:59 |
| ThistleWeb | it's quite amusing to see when you first boot into your new install, to have your wallpaper etc already there | Jul 26 18:59 |
| ThistleWeb | then the final flourish is a script that apt-get install's a list of apps I like, and another to apt-get remove the ones I dont | Jul 26 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | the configs are already there for them | Jul 26 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | as .files in /home | Jul 26 19:00 |
| wallclimber | yes, it seems the most tedious part of an install is cleaning all the junk off the menus | Jul 26 19:00 |
| wallclimber | and simplifying | Jul 26 19:01 |
| ThistleWeb | so with 2 commands, and an update you can be back to normal in no time | Jul 26 19:01 |
| ThistleWeb | and they try to convince peeps Linux is a hassle | Jul 26 19:01 |
| ThistleWeb | sheesh | Jul 26 19:01 |
| wallclimber | I don't use Office suites much, so i always replace OO.o with abiword | Jul 26 19:02 |
| ThistleWeb | the only other minor delay to that process is adding repos and keys | Jul 26 19:02 |
| ThistleWeb | if you use them | Jul 26 19:03 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah abiword is nice | Jul 26 19:03 |
| wallclimber | inkscape, scribus, and gimp are mostly what i use | Jul 26 19:03 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Jul 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | kate is better :-) | Jul 26 19:03 |
| *sebsebseb Loves Abiword! | Jul 26 19:03 | |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: we should start CHurch of Kate | Jul 26 19:03 |
| fewa | i thought kate was plain/text only? | Jul 26 19:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I liked Kate in kde | Jul 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | http://kate-editor.org/ | Jul 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa: it can do anything | Jul 26 19:03 |
| wallclimber | I like Kate a lot | Jul 26 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | fewa: indeed it's a text editor where as Abiword is a word proccessor | Jul 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa: any office suite is plain[/text | Jul 26 19:04 |
| *sebsebseb Gedit and Kate :) | Jul 26 19:04 | |
| fewa | i use gedit for plain text | Jul 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Also latex | Jul 26 19:04 |
| wallclimber | i prefer plain text | Jul 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MS Word is binaries | Jul 26 19:04 |
| fewa | i use gedit for plain text | Jul 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Being the proprietary blot that it is | Jul 26 19:04 |
| ThistleWeb | for some reason Gimp and Latex do go well together | Jul 26 19:04 |
| fewa | schestowitz, not really | Jul 26 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | nah Microsoft Word is amazing :D heh heh | Jul 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes | Jul 26 19:04 |
| fewa | schestowitz, its application/xml | Jul 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Representations | Jul 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | XML | Jul 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 26 19:04 |
| wallclimber | I always have to strip out the crappy formatting from word docs and other "office" files when people send them to me to do layouts | Jul 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Binaries are peripheral | Jul 26 19:05 |
| fewa | not text/plain | Jul 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jul 26 19:05 |
| fewa | maybe text/something | Jul 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | But kate can do XML | Jul 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | And HTML | Jul 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | I do all the editing for BN in Kate | Jul 26 19:05 |
| wallclimber | most of my work is for professional printing | Jul 26 19:05 |
| ThistleWeb | that's one thing Linux has a world of choice in, plain text editors | Jul 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | professional printing -> vi | Jul 26 19:05 |
| ThistleWeb | not to mention terminals | Jul 26 19:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Lol. Great link! - "He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy!" | Jul 26 19:06 | |
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| _Goblin | hi all | Jul 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Hey! | Jul 26 19:06 |
| _Goblin | great to see Monty Python poping up! | Jul 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Who's that said in reference to: "Great link! - "He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy!"" | Jul 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | The Blankenhorn post? | Jul 26 19:06 |
| wallclimber | yikes, how hard is it to learn? after a decade or more of Adobes it was (still is) a strain to learn new tools | Jul 26 19:06 |
| _Goblin | Did a similar article with the "10 for that you must be mad" scene from Monty some time ago. | Jul 26 19:06 |
| _Goblin | Roy: Yep. | Jul 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Only if we gain more people will be be 'allows' to call Microsoft "a zealot" | Jul 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | By definition | Jul 26 19:07 |
| _Goblin | Roy: It was a comment from Life of Brian... | Jul 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | *alloed | Jul 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | *allowed | Jul 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Grrr... | Jul 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | I haven't seen Life of Brian in ages | Jul 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Let's find the segmemnt | Jul 26 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA | Jul 26 19:08 |
| ThistleWeb | "I'm Brian and so is my wife" | Jul 26 19:09 |
| ThistleWeb | "wewease wodga" | Jul 26 19:10 |
| ThistleWeb | or the juniper bush | Jul 26 19:10 |
| ThistleWeb | the stoning scene was funny too "hang on, we haven't started yet" | Jul 26 19:12 |
| schestowitz | YEah... | Jul 26 19:12 |
| schestowitz | You know, Monty Python opened it up on YouTube on purpose | Jul 26 19:13 |
| ThistleWeb | "you'll only make it worse" "how can it get much bloody worse?" | Jul 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | It was in the news some months ago | Jul 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | They saw sales ballooning as a result | Jul 26 19:13 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Jul 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Google claims that fianncial rumours about YouTUbe are false, myths | Jul 26 19:13 |
| ThistleWeb | the Pythons wanted to offer more of their stuff the same, but it's owned in part by the BBC | Jul 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | YouTube needs more competition... :-) Like Microsoft..... | Jul 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ned=uk&cf=all&ncl=dp9sLIznv7gJ7lMQAO2lkEBxRFyBM | Jul 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Poor golems put their videos on Microsoft servers.. only to see them go b00m | Jul 26 19:15 |
| _Goblin | Roy: Did you see the trailer of that £45 movie on my blog? | Jul 26 19:17 |
| wallclimber | I'm curious, why wouldn't Microsoft sell Soapbox, rather than just shutting it down? | Jul 26 19:17 |
| _Goblin | For £45 its pretty impressive looking. | Jul 26 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | wallclimber: they know others can do stuff better than them, so they'd hate it if it took off under new owners | Jul 26 19:18 |
| wallclimber | yes, that makes sense | Jul 26 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | they buy projects because the public reject the native MS version | Jul 26 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | they buy where they can't compete on merit | Jul 26 19:19 |
| wallclimber | but wouldn't stockholders rather get money for something than to just throw it away? | Jul 26 19:19 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: it's tainted | Jul 26 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft touched it | Jul 26 19:19 |
| schestowitz | So bad branding | Jul 26 19:19 |
| schestowitz | It's like soapbox with soap that someone put in the crotch. | Jul 26 19:19 |
| wallclimber | well, since you put it that way, all i can say is ewww | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Who would want to BUY it? | Jul 26 19:20 |
| ThistleWeb | well, branding is permanant | Jul 26 19:20 |
| wallclimber | who would buy it? Digg? lol | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Naaa... | Jul 26 19:20 |
| wallclimber | Twitter? | Jul 26 19:20 |
| ThistleWeb | although I doubt the farm animals like it much | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Digg dumped MS | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz | About 6 months ago | Jul 26 19:20 |
| ThistleWeb | having soemones initials burnt onto your ass | Jul 26 19:21 |
| twitter is here | Jul 26 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | I have a better idea for SOapBox | Jul 26 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Sell it to Ballmer | Jul 26 19:21 |
| schestowitz | He could use some washing | Jul 26 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Esp. the armpits | Jul 26 19:21 |
| wallclimber | it's funny, when Digg did the big interview with swartzeneger (sp) 2 months ago, it was sponsored by MSN | Jul 26 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Schwarzenegger sponsored by GWB | Jul 26 19:22 |
| schestowitz | aka Project Brave Cowboy | Jul 26 19:22 |
| wallclimber | Swartzy might become president someday | Jul 26 19:22 |
| wallclimber | (another ewww) | Jul 26 19:22 |
| wallclimber | some people say he'd like to run for prez | Jul 26 19:23 |
| ThistleWeb | wallclimber: there'd need to be some constitional change for him to be leegable | Jul 26 19:24 |
| fewa | wallclimber, no | Jul 26 19:24 |
| ThistleWeb | eligable | Jul 26 19:24 |
| fewa | this has been discussed so many times, why dont people learn | Jul 26 19:24 |
| ThistleWeb | he can run for office but not the top jobs | Jul 26 19:24 |
| ThistleWeb | on account of not being an American | Jul 26 19:24 |
| fewa | the knowledge of the constitution, or even how our government works, is so horrible | Jul 26 19:24 |
| ThistleWeb | he has a glass ceiling | Jul 26 19:25 |
| wallclimber | sorry, i haven't discussed... | Jul 26 19:25 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd imagine he's dual nationality | Jul 26 19:25 |
| fewa | its such a disservice to this country | Jul 26 19:25 |
| fewa | its not like its that long of a document | Jul 26 19:25 |
| fewa | just read the damn thing | Jul 26 19:25 |
| ThistleWeb | but that's not enough to quality him to run for prez | Jul 26 19:25 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter what he'd like to do | Jul 26 19:26 |
| wallclimber | whew...ok...i think it's time for this ol' lady to fix some lunch, you all have a great day. And ThistleWeb thanks again! | Jul 26 19:26 |
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| ThistleWeb | wallclimber: enjoy your lunch | Jul 26 19:26 |
| ThistleWeb | yw | Jul 26 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | Mark Cuban cleared http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/general/view.bg?articleid=1185664&srvc=sports&position=4 | Jul 26 19:27 |
| fewa | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/United_States_Government/The_Annotated_Constitution_of_the_United_States | Jul 26 19:27 |
| fewa | i mean you can read it in 15 minutes | Jul 26 19:28 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: dual nationality not enough | Jul 26 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Must be born in the US | Jul 26 19:28 |
| fewa | he needs to be a natural born citizen | Jul 26 19:28 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Jul 26 19:28 |
| schestowitz | But hey, if McPalimBush almost made it again, why can't Arnie? | Jul 26 19:28 |
| schestowitz | He'll tell the press how he can see Russian from CA shores | Jul 26 19:29 |
| ThistleWeb | even if he becomes a US citizen it's not enough | Jul 26 19:29 |
| fewa | or if Bush can get voted in by the supreme court | Jul 26 19:29 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't think | Jul 26 19:29 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Yes, Arnie is an undercover, turncoat | Jul 26 19:29 |
| fewa | or they should just read America, the manual | Jul 26 19:29 |
| fewa | by John Stewart | Jul 26 19:29 |
| schestowitz | He grew in Salzburg to infiltrate the US and take over | Jul 26 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Ja ja! I took ova ze states! Ja! | Jul 26 19:30 |
| fewa | He has been a good governor by what little i know | Jul 26 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Jul 26 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Not judging by debt | Jul 26 19:31 |
| fewa | *governator | Jul 26 19:31 |
| schestowitz | He did well with the open book project | Jul 26 19:31 |
| fewa | but thats the economy | Jul 26 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Not sure... | Jul 26 19:31 |
| fewa | he is a fiscal republican | Jul 26 19:31 |
| schestowitz | How badly in debt was CA before him? | Jul 26 19:31 |
| schestowitz | How much is it now? Like $2.1tr | Jul 26 19:31 |
| fewa | alot of that problem is from the jurymandering done in the California house of reps | Jul 26 19:31 |
| schestowitz | I met a guy from SF at the gym and he told me it's bad there | Jul 26 19:31 |
| fewa | lots of pork | Jul 26 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Unemployment and stuff.. | Jul 26 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I have a friend in Bay Area who is deep, deep in debt | Jul 26 19:32 |
| schestowitz | THey have GOOGLE! | Jul 26 19:32 |
| schestowitz | ANd many startups that webt bust | Jul 26 19:32 |
| schestowitz | *Went | Jul 26 19:32 |
| fewa | Lots of tech companies, not just internet | Jul 26 19:32 |
| fewa | thats why they have been vulnerable | Jul 26 19:32 |
| schestowitz | They have wine | Jul 26 19:33 |
| fewa | and they cant print money like the federal government | Jul 26 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Time for the new deception | Jul 26 19:33 |
| ThistleWeb | fisting republican? has he been outed yet> | Jul 26 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Let's pay some scientisits to say wine is good for you. | Jul 26 19:33 |
| schestowitz | 'Scientists' (for hire) | Jul 26 19:33 |
| fewa | that doesnt do anything | Jul 26 19:33 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: gropijng, not sure about isting | Jul 26 19:33 |
| schestowitz | *groping | Jul 26 19:33 |
| fewa | there is such a wine glut nothing could people drink it all | Jul 26 19:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/06/politics/main576614.shtml | Jul 26 19:34 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jul 26 19:34 |
| schestowitz | That's the groping | Jul 26 19:34 |
| fewa | schestowitz, anyways you are oversimplifying | Jul 26 19:34 |
| schestowitz | No idea about any "fisting" | Jul 26 19:34 |
| schestowitz | You'd have to ask Maria Shriver | Jul 26 19:34 |
| fewa | schestowitz, same shit they did to Clinton | Jul 26 19:34 |
| fewa | who cares? | Jul 26 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Jul 26 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Yaltsin | Jul 26 19:34 |
| schestowitz | *el | Jul 26 19:34 |
| fewa | Schwarzenegger is not the cause of California's problems | Jul 26 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Haha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5FIoocja4k | Jul 26 19:35 |
| fewa | lol | Jul 26 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Even oligarchs feel credit-crisis pinch < http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=6affb481-6017-466d-8a19-ffef2f64ae58 > | Jul 26 19:36 |
| schestowitz | ^Watch Putin | Jul 26 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Potanin | Jul 26 19:36 |
| fewa | University endowments, big foundations | Jul 26 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Cuban case dismissed; SEC can refile < http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2009/07/13/daily54.html > | Jul 26 19:37 |
| fewa | but does it actually effect anything? | Jul 26 19:37 |
| fewa | its just numbers on paper, why do they need the biggest numbers? | Jul 26 19:37 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/341773/ | Jul 26 19:38 |
| schestowitz | fewa: the oligarchs? | Jul 26 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Tha's their sport | Jul 26 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Playing with numbers... | Jul 26 19:39 |
| fewa | wealth is about production | Jul 26 19:39 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 26 19:39 |
| fewa | production of quality of life | Jul 26 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Not anymore | Jul 26 19:39 |
| fewa | schestowitz, extortion? rackets? | Jul 26 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Some people have zero envy ("who is a scale about me") some have "penis envy" (Freud's term) | Jul 26 19:39 |
| schestowitz | People's like Murdoch live for the numbers in the bank | Jul 26 19:39 |
| fewa | but wealth for all | Jul 26 19:40 |
| schestowitz | That's how they judge who gets into whose dinner table | Jul 26 19:40 |
| schestowitz | And the next BillGateberg emtting | Jul 26 19:40 |
| fewa | generated by scientific achievements, production, environment | Jul 26 19:40 |
| fewa | money is just paper | Jul 26 19:40 |
| fewa | and its not even that anymore | Jul 26 19:40 |
| schestowitz | No gold tieup | Jul 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's something people adore | Jul 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Like the crazy fans of billionaires | Jul 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Begging for bucks | Jul 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | PJ re MS patch: "For context, lots of proprietary companies release driver code. It's not like Microsoft is helping Linux do something not related to Microsoft goals. So pigs are not flying past my window." | Jul 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Jackson Browne Defeats John McCain http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2009/07/john_mccain_really_running_on.html?hpid=news-col-blog | Jul 26 19:43 |
| fewa | its not even a drive | Jul 26 19:45 |
| fewa | (driver | Jul 26 19:46 |
| fewa | its a software API | Jul 26 19:46 |
| schestowitz | "Since Novell has a (too) close association with Microsoft, my expectation was that Greg could prod the right people to get the issue resolved. " I like the "too" part -> http://linux-network-plumber.blogspot.com/2009/07/congratulations-microsoft.html | Jul 26 19:46 |
| fewa | and should be treated like one | Jul 26 19:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/grobertson/status/2856365373 | Jul 26 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Troll ^ | Jul 26 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Pirate Bay Buyers May Be Backing Out < http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Pirate-Bay-Torrent-Download,news-4274.html > | Jul 26 19:49 |
| schestowitz | So ti's ruined and they sod off | Jul 26 19:49 |
| fewa | still dont see why Microsoft cant use the existing API's that are there for KVm | Jul 26 19:49 |
| schestowitz | It dosn't have the 'ms' prefix | Jul 26 19:49 |
| schestowitz | c/f ms-HTML | Jul 26 19:49 |
| fewa | all they need is already in the kernel | Jul 26 19:50 |
| fewa | virt-io | Jul 26 19:50 |
| MinceR | fewa: that's what i was asking too | Jul 26 19:50 |
| MinceR | (and why the kernel devs are willing to add the reinvention of the wheel anyway) | Jul 26 19:50 |
| schestowitz | bash-3.2$ uname -a | Jul 26 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Minux localhost 2.6.31-desktop-2mnb #1 SMP Thu Aug 12 14:37:30 EDT 2009 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ Microsoft/Linux | Jul 26 19:50 |
| MinceR | (they should just kick gregkh out and tell him to go "develop" windows) | Jul 26 19:51 |
| fewa | microsoft has a history of uselessly reinvention wheel in incompatible ways | Jul 26 19:51 |
| MinceR | they suffer from NIH syndrome | Jul 26 19:51 |
| schestowitz | They have hyprcalls | Jul 26 19:51 |
| MinceR | but that doesn't mean that the linux kernel has to suffer from it too | Jul 26 19:51 |
| fewa | (or rather stealing the wheel in an incompatible way) | Jul 26 19:51 |
| schestowitz | All sorts of non-regular extensions | Jul 26 19:51 |
| schestowitz | That's not news | Jul 26 19:51 |
| fewa | ripping off others standards | Jul 26 19:51 |
| *tacone silverlights schestowitz | Jul 26 19:52 | |
| fewa | *silverblight | Jul 26 19:53 |
| tacone | SilverBing | Jul 26 19:54 |
| tacone | Slaverlight | Jul 26 19:54 |
| fewa | tarnished bong | Jul 26 19:54 |
| ah, I see. a twitter troll. You could send grobertson this http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/25/jose-on-mono/#comment-39320 | Jul 26 19:56 | |
| persecution is not a complex, it's a demonstrable fact. | Jul 26 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 26 19:57 |
| of course it's useless to explain such things to people who are part of the problem. | Jul 26 19:57 | |
| they know what they do. | Jul 26 19:58 | |
| ThistleWeb | the issue is 2 sides playing to the peanut gallery | Jul 26 19:58 |
| schestowitz | You can always try | Jul 26 19:58 |
| schestowitz | He runs DownloadSquad | Jul 26 19:58 |
| tacone | I liked the defense of BoycottNovell | Jul 26 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jul 26 19:58 |
| tacone | Wish more people did it | Jul 26 19:58 |
| fewa | you have to SCO the blight | Jul 26 19:59 |
| tacone | I did, but just a few lines | Jul 26 19:59 |
| fewa | SEO* | Jul 26 19:59 |
| ThistleWeb | both trying to have the peanut gallery believe their veiws on the other side | Jul 26 19:59 |
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| Well, one side has a 25 year history of name calling | Jul 26 20:00 | |
| tacone | Did you see the novell attack to canonical? | Jul 26 20:00 |
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| tacone | You include mono by default and that's what you get | Jul 26 20:01 |
| non free software owners have resorted to name calling because they don't have reasonable arguments to back up what they do. | Jul 26 20:01 | |
| fewa | it doesn't help them | Jul 26 20:02 |
| Seems that they are running out of money too. That will put a crimp in the shill efforts and namecalling. | Jul 26 20:02 | |
| fewa | "Get the facts" was a a massive failure | Jul 26 20:03 |
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| ThistleWeb | these campaigns may work on the audiences they are intended for though | Jul 26 20:06 |
| ThistleWeb | peeps with no tech knowledge at all, and still believe MS is being straight with them | Jul 26 20:06 |
| ThistleWeb | a simple "go to the horses mouth" for a comparison | Jul 26 20:06 |
| tacone | Ms is still polluting generic newspapers in Italy though | Jul 26 20:07 |
| tacone | Italy is the second country per Ubuntu searches on google | Jul 26 20:07 |
| ThistleWeb | we know it's lies | Jul 26 20:07 |
| ThistleWeb | but we're not the intended audience | Jul 26 20:07 |
| tacone | With Milan being the first city in the world | Jul 26 20:08 |
| troll zoo is updated with this funny comment http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1014837&cid=25592851 | Jul 26 20:09 | |
| The Vista submarine has yet to surface as promised. | Jul 26 20:09 | |
| thankfully, gnu/linux and other free software use is moving along very well. | Jul 26 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: which attack on Canonical? | Jul 26 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Greg K-H (2008/7)? | Jul 26 20:11 |
| tacone | Read mdz last post | Jul 26 20:12 |
| schestowitz | I've suspended accounts of stalkers in BN... the ones that came from Slashdot to do their smears | Jul 26 20:12 |
| trmanco | http://ec.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/billgatesfacebook.gif | Jul 26 20:12 |
| tacone | Mdz.alcor.net iirc | Jul 26 20:12 |
| trmanco | read the wall | Jul 26 20:12 |
| trmanco | it's funny | Jul 26 20:12 |
| *tacone has quit ("Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://rooms.derflash.de") | Jul 26 20:13 | |
| trmanco | "Remember that OS you made that was awesome? Yeah, neither do I" hehe | Jul 26 20:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: LOL | Jul 26 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "Looks like a tampon' | Jul 26 20:14 |
| schestowitz | LMAO | Jul 26 20:14 |
| schestowitz | He got cyberbullid, sort of | Jul 26 20:14 |
| trmanco | :-p | Jul 26 20:15 |
| thank you ->(12:32:34 PM) schestowitz: I've suspended accounts of stalkers in BN... the ones that came from Slashdot to do their smears | Jul 26 20:15 | |
| fewa | Greg was nasty | Jul 26 20:16 |
| hmmm, Baur claims to work at Cisco. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1305763&cid=28735393 | Jul 26 20:17 | |
| Was Cisco ever using free software in more than a Tivo way? | Jul 26 20:17 | |
| schestowitz | WHi;'s he? | Jul 26 20:18 |
| schestowitz | "Just about everyone on the floor of the building I was working on got laid off. I think we were ground zero. From my perspective, it was a blood bath." | Jul 26 20:18 |
| trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Bing-Users-Are-55-Percent-More-Likely-to-Click-on-Ads-117561.shtml | Jul 26 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I read about the Cisco layoffs | Jul 26 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Posted about it here | Jul 26 20:18 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: i.e. they are stupid | Jul 26 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Sheep sees ad, sheep click | Jul 26 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Notice the intended implication | Jul 26 20:19 |
| trmanco | 55% is just to hard to believe | Jul 26 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They try to make it seem like BOng=more money | Jul 26 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They try to attract advertiserrs | Jul 26 20:19 |
| Baur claims to have run X Emacs. | Jul 26 20:21 | |
| The project RMS said had big problems with sloppy copyright attributions that bit them and distributions in the ass many times. | Jul 26 20:21 | |
| Baur - the Slashdot user - says a lot of nasty things about RMS. | Jul 26 20:22 | |
| the usual troll stuff. | Jul 26 20:22 | |
| I don't trust anything that nym says | Jul 26 20:23 | |
| Oh yeah, the usual abuse for Slashdot. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1307439&cid=28745593 | Jul 26 20:23 | |
| seems to have been fired. sad if true. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1305763&cid=28735423 | Jul 26 20:24 | |
| This is the fate of people who trust non free software companies. | Jul 26 20:27 | |
| sooner or later, customers end up without the program they need and developers end up looking for another job. | Jul 26 20:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Copyright racketeers at work in South Korea http://techdirt.com/articles/20090724/0159355642.shtml | Jul 26 20:29 | |
| Software owners look out for themselves and screw everyone else. | Jul 26 20:29 | |
| fewa | the GE thing is a trogan horse | Jul 26 20:32 |
| fewa | imagine if every new device that used electricity had to have permission to hook up to the grid, to recieve electricity | Jul 26 20:32 |
| ThistleWeb | good analogy | Jul 26 20:33 |
| ThistleWeb | I may use that if you dont mind | Jul 26 20:33 |
| fewa | thats not even an analogy, thats what it is | Jul 26 20:33 |
| fewa | they want to introduct network inneutrality to electricity grids | Jul 26 20:33 |
| fewa | any information on electricity must be one way | Jul 26 20:33 |
| fewa | and then devices can voluntarily fallow it | Jul 26 20:34 |
| fewa | Its also not mine, lessig has talked about it | Jul 26 20:34 |
| fewa | as an analogy for the importance of network neutrality on the internet | Jul 26 20:35 |
| fewa | how asking for permission to use the pipes would crush innovation | Jul 26 20:35 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, yeah, go ahead | Jul 26 20:39 |
| ThistleWeb | by the time I get round to it, I'll probs forget but ty | Jul 26 20:40 |
| schestowitz | id Software is hesitating to support linuX in future game developments < http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2581 > | Jul 26 20:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Jordan gets her end in http://notnews.today.com/?p=571 | Jul 26 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | They hopefully don't listen to fake numbers of visitors/users | Jul 26 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Why would anyone use something as simple as this? http://ubuntuguru.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/blogging-with-gnome-blog/ (blogging with gnome-blog) | Jul 26 20:56 |
| ThistleWeb | some people only want basic blog entries | Jul 26 20:59 |
| ThistleWeb | I can see the appeal, specially on a small screen | Jul 26 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Epic: Unreal Tournament On-Hold for “Several Years” http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/epic_unreal_tournament_onhold_“several_years” | Jul 26 21:02 |
| MinceR | a linux client would have been nice | Jul 26 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... that;'s a new one: PureOSlight 1.0 beta 1 < http://pureos.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=86&Itemid=1 > | Jul 26 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Nice wallpapers: http://lifehacker.com/5321371/wallpaper-roundup-ocean-views-and-abstract-blues/gallery/ | Jul 26 21:16 |
| _Goblin | Interesting distro..... | Jul 26 21:18 |
| _Goblin | never heard of it.... | Jul 26 21:18 |
| _Goblin | does anyone ever package Python 3? | Jul 26 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/07/free-open-source-software-evangelist.html | Jul 26 21:21 |
| schestowitz | "How many people walked out after Richard said that? How many people filed complaints? | Jul 26 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Strangely enough, I find enough evidence on the web that the "Emacs Virgin" has appeared in similar wording before. Strangely enough, that never was a problem." | Jul 26 21:21 |
| MinceR | they're either tiny or the download links suck | Jul 26 21:21 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: whose blog is that? | Jul 26 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Foresight Linux - Tough love http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/foresight.html | Jul 26 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Messy as before | Jul 26 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: some guy called Hans | Jul 26 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Dutch guy... hardly blogs | Jul 26 21:26 |
| Balrog | hmmm ok. | Jul 26 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | OK, let's see some news :-D | Jul 26 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: did you see this education budget cut article? >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8166917.stm | Jul 26 21:35 |
| schestowitz | BECTA will eat cake, not break ;-) | Jul 26 21:36 |
| ThistleWeb | how much could they have saved by ditching MS, avoiding the cuts in services and still offering the same services | Jul 26 21:36 |
| schestowitz | *bread | Jul 26 21:36 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: they'll brag about 'the news fantastic deal' with Microsoft | Jul 26 21:36 |
| schestowitz | In a PRESS RELEASE | Jul 26 21:36 |
| schestowitz | BN has HEAPS of stuff on BECTA. Go watch it :-) | Jul 26 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's less about schools here | Jul 26 21:37 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Jul 26 21:37 |
| schestowitz | It's expected that reseach funds and all will be cut | Jul 26 21:37 |
| schestowitz | So if I were to apply to be an RA the vacancies would be fewer | Jul 26 21:38 |
| *_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jul 26 21:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Summer Conference in the UK http://ping.fm/g5ZHL | Jul 26 21:46 | |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Jul 26 21:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop GNU/Linux Uptake Can't be Measured by Sales http://ping.fm/sgxga I bought my main PC without an OS. | Jul 26 21:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyer Migrates from Windows to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/WHzGB | Jul 26 21:52 | |
| *ThistleWeb has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Jul 26 21:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Replaces Windows in Another Home http://ping.fm/QIh0T | Jul 26 21:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Replaces Solaris at News Limited http://ping.fm/FGDCY | Jul 26 21:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 550Mhz Celeron Runs with a Trimmer 2.6.30.1 Linux Kernel http://ping.fm/ngO0l | Jul 26 21:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Games Run on GNU/Linux Too http://ping.fm/2SE9M | Jul 26 22:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE 4.3 Looks Really Good and Exciting (Out Soon) http://ping.fm/ViL1I http://ping.fm/VNpuS http://ping.fm/GEVDK | Jul 26 22:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Funds Linux Events http://ping.fm/bXhws | Jul 26 22:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Wonderful Desktop Themes for Fedora Lovers http://ping.fm/H9R2X | Jul 26 22:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One House, Four Ubuntu Linux Installations http://ping.fm/Xr1ZO | Jul 26 22:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Harmonika. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/11938.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/525769.html | Jul 26 22:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Newly-released antiX MEPIS 8.2 Receives 2 Terrific Reviews/Coverage http://ping.fm/aZmdy http://ping.fm/z5CUE | Jul 26 22:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz kde 4.3 is that nice :-) it's already in ubuntu 9.10 | Jul 26 22:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: I will probably use it in Mandriva 2010 | Jul 26 22:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GoboLinux -- The Linux That's Structured Like Windows -- Gets Reviewed http://ping.fm/KovqL | Jul 26 22:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Crunchbang Linux http://ping.fm/SPEfU and Another Review of Mandriva 2009.1 http://ping.fm/fkH1d | Jul 26 22:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Palm Pre Still Resembles iPhone But Built on Linux http://ping.fm/NSgAR http://ping.fm/YOD5Q http://ping.fm/lRuWO | Jul 26 22:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Impressions of Ubuntu for Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/MkLVZ and Moblin 2.0 Beta http://ping.fm/nUris | Jul 26 22:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reasons to Really Care About GNU/Linux and Free Software http://ping.fm/Jueec | Jul 26 22:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Award Winners in SourceForge Are Announced http://ping.fm/Or8Hr | Jul 26 22:31 | |
| Balrog | schestowitz: new book sale figures from o'reilly: http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/07/state-of-the-computer-book-mar-25.html | Jul 26 22:33 |
| Balrog | looks like C# popularity went down | Jul 26 22:34 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 26 22:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Wants the Web to be Free http://ping.fm/ZpbwL | Jul 26 22:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Programming Language Takes a Tumble (Based on Book Sales) http://ping.fm/sKDT7 | Jul 26 22:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Goldman Sachs Censorship Fails (Streisand Effect Brings Attention to Their Misdeeds) http://ping.fm/BPPzC | Jul 26 22:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patentee Covenants (a la Mono/Moonlight) Seen as Flawed http://ping.fm/NYGcd | Jul 26 22:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Little Doll Novell Annoys Canonical's CTO http://ping.fm/lYIIh | Jul 26 22:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In Defence of ODF: New Essay, Site, Project http://ping.fm/HQkCV http://ping.fm/l9Veh http://ping.fm/zlj0T | Jul 26 22:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GPL Haters and Mono/Microsoft Lovers Start Flagging So-called 'Purists' ttp://blogs.opennms.org/?p=1038 | Jul 26 22:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Netcraft Accused of Willfully Falling Prey to Microsoft http://ping.fm/B0qN1 | Jul 26 22:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Russian Serious With Action Against Convicted Monopolist Microsoft http://ping.fm/0Olgk http://ping.fm/hC5fx | Jul 26 22:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i don't understand why MS waited until 2009 for this attack, and why they're doing for the sake of *mono* of all things | Jul 26 23:07 | |
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| tacone | schestowitz: i was referring to this http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/21/launchpad-and-microsoft/ | Jul 26 23:37 |
| tacone | schestowitz: and more specifically to this http://www.novell.com/company/blogs/cmo/?p=146 | Jul 26 23:37 |
| Balrog | also launchpad is AGPL ;) | Jul 26 23:38 |
| tacone | yup | Jul 26 23:39 |
| tacone | which is a burden on one side, but good on another | Jul 26 23:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] BOOOOM!? | Jul 26 23:42 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, I got it | Jul 26 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Wow. RoR founder is so arogant | Jul 26 23:43 |
| schestowitz | I've been listening to him for an hour | Jul 26 23:43 |
| schestowitz | He's very clever, but foul-mouthed | Jul 26 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | Very good English for a Danish guy.. | Jul 26 23:43 |
| schestowitz | http://twit.tv/floss79 | Jul 26 23:44 |
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| tacone1 | danish guys have good english, don't them ? | Jul 26 23:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] 23:59 ainda aqui | Jul 26 23:46 | |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Heinemeier_Hansson | Jul 26 23:46 |
| schestowitz | More vain than Linus. | Jul 26 23:53 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jul 26 23:53 |
| *#boycottnovell :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Jul 26 23:56 | |
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