| tacone | it's about control, not users getting sued. we repeated that many times, but mono apologist just skip on that. | Jul 30 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's hard to beat up straw men | Jul 30 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | *it's not hard | Jul 30 00:00 |
| tacone | api control is not a big problem as legal control. | Jul 30 00:00 |
| tacone | parolang: PAI = API (typo)= | Jul 30 00:00 |
| parolang | Well, remember that mono apologists are often people who have invested (in terms of man-hours learning the system, running apps for the system, not $$$) a great deal in mono technology. So obviously there's a natural bias. They don't want to give up what they have already been working with. | Jul 30 00:01 |
| tacone | the fact that ms felt the need to do the community promise, as worthless as it may be, is a sign they need a good rap and mono concerns are real. | Jul 30 00:01 |
| tacone | parolang: nobody hates mono people here. | Jul 30 00:02 |
| parolang | The community promise isn't worthless, but it does give up control like you're saying. | Jul 30 00:02 |
| tacone | i should say BN is suspicious (especially on IRC) because many attacks came. | Jul 30 00:02 |
| parolang | tacone: Good. But I meant that in the sense of an explanation on why mono apologists aren't reading the arguments objectively. | Jul 30 00:02 |
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| tacone | parolang: Jo Shields is beginning talking with Jason (mono-nono.com) in a non hatred manner. that's good. | Jul 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | tacone: IRC is IRC | Jul 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Not formal | Jul 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed me this 3 hours ago: | Jul 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | "Who is this guy Jo Shields? I am more concerned about his role in gettting Debian dependent on mono than i am concerned about Ubuntu. According to his website he is a sysadmin at Cambridge University... I would like to think he is honest and is just a gullible developer fan of C# and .Net..." | Jul 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | "at the beginning, when responding to the well reasoned posts by jason of mono-nono, Jo even sounded reasonable, but the more he writes, the more aggresive he becomes and the harder seems to me to consider he is honest." | Jul 30 00:03 |
| tacone | obviously mono people are biased. as everyone is. | Jul 30 00:03 |
| parolang | But, the community promise pretty much traps the fs community into their specification. Going outside of the specification becomes a risk. This is ripe for the old embrace and extend strategy. | Jul 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | "He seems to know far too much about Microsoft internal strategy and interests, and the more he writes, the more the things he says resembles the typical "microspeak" and talking points. Aside from his disgusting and unwarranted attacks on RMS along with **" | Jul 30 00:04 |
| tacone | parolang: even if ms guys were good guys, they have shareholders to report to | Jul 30 00:04 |
| tacone | it's not gonna be easy in any way. | Jul 30 00:04 |
| parolang | schestowitz: Please make sure no one is trying to get anyone fired for their jobs. | Jul 30 00:05 |
| parolang | schestowitz: It scares me that he even mentions the guys place of employment. | Jul 30 00:05 |
| tacone | attacks on rms are an awful | Jul 30 00:05 |
| parolang | But Jo Shields says he's the release manager for mono on Debain (IIRC) | Jul 30 00:06 |
| tacone | parolang: so ? | Jul 30 00:06 |
| tacone | parolang: schestowitz has no control on his readers actions | Jul 30 00:06 |
| parolang | What are you so-ing too? | Jul 30 00:07 |
| parolang | tacone: He can endorse or encourage people's actions. | Jul 30 00:07 |
| schestowitz | parolang: there are lots of people reading the site and occasionally someone even posts personal details, which I don't like | Jul 30 00:07 |
| tacone | jo shields is the release manager. so ? | Jul 30 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Or people who get pissed off and run off doing stupid things | Jul 30 00:07 |
| schestowitz | BN is not editors+readers (whoever they are)... not more than the Guardian can be blamed if some reader read something in there and murdered his family | Jul 30 00:07 |
| parolang | schestowitz: Yeah. It would just be good to discourage the behavior wherever it seems to exist. That's all. | Jul 30 00:08 |
| tacone | +1 on discouraging foolish acts. | Jul 30 00:08 |
| parolang | tacone: Oh. The post schestowitz quoted above asked what jo shields role is in debian | Jul 30 00:08 |
| tacone | parolang: sorry, missed that. | Jul 30 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Another thing from a reader: "<black helicopter mode="ON">I might be totally wonkers and probably it means nothing, but something stroke me the other day and it is he wrote the word "germane" which is a word I had only read once elsewhere and on that ocassion I had to look up its meaning in a dictionary (since I am not a native english speaker), you know who was using that word?: Steve Ballmer in an interview...<black helicopter mo | Jul 30 00:09 |
| schestowitz | de="OFF">" | Jul 30 00:09 |
| parolang | schestowitz: See, that's paranoid. :) | Jul 30 00:09 |
| schestowitz | parolang: ITwire did this in an article | Jul 30 00:09 |
| schestowitz | parolang: yes, I know. | Jul 30 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Damn. Things keep breaking round the house this week.... sink, then blown fuse... now my secondary monitor is turning purpose (it's a 21'' CRT) | Jul 30 00:11 |
| schestowitz | cya in the moarning.. | Jul 30 00:11 |
| parolang | Nite | Jul 30 00:11 |
| schestowitz | *morning. Oops | Jul 30 00:11 |
| tacone | bye | Jul 30 00:11 |
| parolang | tacone: Kudos for linking to the Google Wave patent license. Very informative. +1 | Jul 30 00:13 |
| tacone | :) | Jul 30 00:13 |
| fewa | shows that all the BS from MSFT blaming those confused is misplaces | Jul 30 00:13 |
| fewa | that MSFT purposefully makes their "promise" full of holes | Jul 30 00:14 |
| parolang | fewa: Well, the argument could be made that Microsoft is using the community promise to ensure that developers don't make implementations that violate the standard. | Jul 30 00:15 |
| parolang | fewa: But that argument would probably only be political cover. | Jul 30 00:15 |
| fewa | parolang, thats not community, that's dictaitorship | Jul 30 00:15 |
| parolang | I think the ability to fork from the specification is an important freedom that the community needs to have. | Jul 30 00:15 |
| tacone | making a c# implementation is not trivial | Jul 30 00:15 |
| tacone | +1 on forking. | Jul 30 00:16 |
| tacone | they need to calm down. is not that apache forks went anywhere. | Jul 30 00:16 |
| parolang | I can imagine MS changing the specification to make it difficult to implement on free or non Windows systems. | Jul 30 00:16 |
| fewa | parolang, +1 obvious | Jul 30 00:16 |
| tacone | na | Jul 30 00:17 |
| fewa | OOXML is full of that type of stuff. | Jul 30 00:17 |
| tacone | changing the specification is not trivial | Jul 30 00:17 |
| fewa | all sort of undefined definitions | Jul 30 00:17 |
| tacone | that would break retro compatibility | Jul 30 00:17 |
| parolang | tacone: hmm | Jul 30 00:17 |
| fewa | parolang, new version are not covered by the licence | Jul 30 00:17 |
| parolang | tacone: Well, I mean a new version of the spec that's also covered by the community promise. Especially if there is something wrong/inconveniant about the previous specification. | Jul 30 00:18 |
| fewa | IOW, MSFT astroturf, and lots of it | Jul 30 00:18 |
| fewa | nothing new | Jul 30 00:18 |
| tacone | mmh. | Jul 30 00:18 |
| tacone | i think they want just stop people to innovate before them | Jul 30 00:19 |
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| parolang | What's Bruce Perens take on the mono issue? | Jul 30 00:20 |
| parolang | tacone: sure | Jul 30 00:20 |
| tacone | his old take was not really good | Jul 30 00:20 |
| tacone | when he commented tomtom case he told people shouldn't trust mono also | Jul 30 00:21 |
| tacone | iirc | Jul 30 00:21 |
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| cubezzz | ugh, there's going to be microsoft stores | Jul 30 05:46 |
| cubezzz | selling zunes and xboxes and stuff | Jul 30 05:46 |
| fewa | Microsoft sores | Jul 30 05:47 |
| fewa | they will bleed money | Jul 30 05:47 |
| people will have to buy them for that to happen. cubezzz: selling zunes and xboxes and stuff | Jul 30 05:49 | |
| It would be better to say they will put them on display. | Jul 30 05:49 | |
| fewa | twitter, yeah, like Nike stored | Jul 30 05:49 |
| fewa | *sores | Jul 30 05:50 |
| We're loosing money, Captain! What do we do? | Jul 30 05:50 | |
| Spend more money. | Jul 30 05:50 | |
| ha ha | Jul 30 05:50 | |
| cubezzz | not sure how well specialty stores are doing these days, probably not too good | Jul 30 05:50 |
| cubezzz | although shoes seem cheaper now than in the 80's which is weird | Jul 30 05:51 |
| fewa | cubezzz, Nike stores are purposefully designed to lose money. The idea is to charge an exorbinate price, and by doing so, make people thing the shoes are actually worth something. | Jul 30 05:52 |
| fewa | its capitalism in its most ridiculous, and least efficient, state. | Jul 30 05:54 |
| cubezzz | yeah, sort of a status symbol | Jul 30 05:55 |
| fewa | Shoes cost ~$2 each to make | Jul 30 05:55 |
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| fewa | its a manufactures status symbol | Jul 30 05:56 |
| fewa | *manufactured | Jul 30 05:56 |
| fewa | status of being gullible | Jul 30 05:57 |
| cubezzz | no rolex or Armani suits for the Linux crowd :) | Jul 30 05:58 |
| fewa | why needs them, we have penguins! | Jul 30 05:58 |
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| schestowitz | 'US senator Herb Kohl, who chairs the Senate panel with responsibility for consumer rights and anti-trust issues, said the agreement will be "closely reviewed" by his sub committee.' | Jul 30 07:33 |
| schestowitz | VIsta 7 cracked. http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/07/29/windows-7-ultimate-cracked-and-activated-permanently-with-oem-slp-master-product-key-with-slic-2-1/ | Jul 30 07:37 |
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| schestowitz | Apple tries to justify being "proprietary zealots" and uses FUD. LinuxToday: "Don't forget terrorists, and think of the children-- ed." | Jul 30 07:52 |
| schestowitz | -> http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/apple-iphone-jailbreaking-could-knock-out-transmission-towers-144 | Jul 30 07:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Another Attack on Free Software, Blackboard Loses Again, Yellow Beans Patented http://ping.fm/ehb7h | Jul 30 07:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #ietf codec working group BoF, Stockholm in 11 hours http://xiph.org/press/2009/ietf75-bof/ #theora #wikipedia #wikimedia please forward | Jul 30 07:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] IETF codec working group BoF also on IRC! in 11 hours: http://xiph.org/press/2009/ietf75-bof/ #theora #wikipedia #wikimedia #ietf pls fwd | Jul 30 07:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #photoshop #cs2 how to convert channels to layers? for the untrained | Jul 30 07:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] US Airways has agreed to pay me back the $908.20. Thank you ffocus.org! | Jul 30 07:56 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what pisses me off? | Jul 30 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the "Black Nation" | Jul 30 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | the official line from them is the whole Gates thing is racially motivated | Jul 30 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | no its not | Jul 30 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | the cop arrested the guy because the cops a dickwad | Jul 30 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more, no less | Jul 30 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | Gates could have been a white guy, a black guy, an asian, who cares | Jul 30 07:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | the cop would have acted the same | Jul 30 07:59 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-sHU4Kf5Zc | Jul 30 08:00 |
| fewa | lol where the dispatcher said "Black or hispanic?" they changed it | Jul 30 08:03 |
| schestowitz | "It's official: Microsoft-Yahoo ink 10-year search pact; Regulator scrum begins" | Jul 30 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft owned the regulators | Jul 30 08:04 |
| fewa | spin | Jul 30 08:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 26,000 schools in Brazil move to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/BOIHR | Jul 30 08:07 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: who cares though | Jul 30 08:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | google will just hustle double time to kill bing | Jul 30 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Jul 30 08:15 |
| schestowitz | We still need Yahoo. | Jul 30 08:15 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 30 08:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Looks nice: http://ping.fm/SsWbq ("The UK spaceplane aiming to go to a new level") | Jul 30 09:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Infectious Diseases Study Site Questioned < http://ping.fm/9IZ8y > | Jul 30 09:53 | |
| schestowitz | Future of Cyber Security: Hackers Have Grown Up http://www.wired.com/dualperspectives/article/news/2009/07/dp_security_wired0728 | Jul 30 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Got Solar Panels? Utility Wants To Charge You For Not Using Their Energy < http://consumerist.com/5323004/got-solar-panels-utility-wants-to-charge-you-for-not-using-their-energy > | Jul 30 09:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Loony story: US border station scraps sign that says "United States" because terror~1 might attack it < http://ping.fm/QPRqM > | Jul 30 10:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Student files lawsuit after coach distributed private Facebook content < http://ping.fm/zNW8q > Private?? Facebook???? | Jul 30 10:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Gap Dumps Microsoft Windows for GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/7aySh | Jul 30 10:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top IT Skill is Java (GPL), Runner up is GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/lhJxv | Jul 30 10:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Against Poverty Initiative Makes the News http://ping.fm/jzWET | Jul 30 10:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Monash University Chooses GNU/Linux for the Clusters http://ping.fm/bRTnt | Jul 30 10:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Clutter Toolkit 1.0.0 Released as LGPLv2.1 http://ping.fm/VM5Of | Jul 30 10:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] antiX-M8.2 Reviewed http://ping.fm/ws8Hk | Jul 30 10:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Try GNU/Linux Without Conceding Windows Too Fast http://ping.fm/lc9sH | Jul 30 10:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canonical CTO Refutes Reports About Debian Release Changes http://ping.fm/gZvaL | Jul 30 10:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Over Half of Virtutech's Customers Run Simics on Linux" http://ping.fm/6SuGM | Jul 30 10:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World’s Smallest Desktop PC Runs GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/MW7iC | Jul 30 10:43 | |
| schestowitz | Henry Kingman seems to have left eWeek or something | Jul 30 10:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Portable Media Player Runs Linux http://ping.fm/Pcl40 | Jul 30 10:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Small Hardware Gains Linux Support http://ping.fm/JtdE6 | Jul 30 10:46 | |
| oiaohm | Start of the new wave of arm devices. | Jul 30 10:48 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm little early this year. | Jul 30 10:48 |
| schestowitz | Watch this next one: | Jul 30 10:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ASUS Spin-off Runs GNU/Linux on ARM Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/jiDPO | Jul 30 10:50 | |
| schestowitz | [Older:] Researcher: Chrome to boost Atom to ARM switch in netbooks < http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218500011 > expected 55% market share for ARM | Jul 30 10:50 |
| fewa | yep | Jul 30 10:51 |
| fewa | v8 optimizes to ARM | Jul 30 10:51 |
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| oiaohm | They are being conservitive. | Jul 30 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Samba + ADS will kinda open up a pandoras box on windows. | Jul 30 10:52 |
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| oiaohm | If distribitions are smart enough to use ADS to deploy MS Office to Open source server interfaces Lot of MS market could be in major trouble. | Jul 30 10:53 |
| oiaohm | http://vbridges.com/wp/?page_id=200 << Hmm the bluring between desktop and cloud is starting. | Jul 30 11:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Programmer Explain Motivation http://ping.fm/jDJgD | Jul 30 11:06 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: deja vu | Jul 30 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Didn't they announce this a year ago? | Jul 30 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Also, IBM keeps making Linux announcements (desktop), but it's just PR. IBM doesn't do jack about it. | Jul 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Redhat a year ago. | Jul 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Part of KVM | Jul 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Big difference this time is the provided cloud OS keeps functional after disconnecting. | Jul 30 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: ah, OK. Sure, it's evolutionary, but the idea is old | Jul 30 11:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DRM Leads to Outrage Again http://ping.fm/cvW0D #defectivebydesign | Jul 30 11:12 | |
| fewa | "cloud" | Jul 30 11:12 |
| schestowitz | "Fog" | Jul 30 11:13 |
| schestowitz | It's pouring out here today... amazing downflall | Jul 30 11:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MAFIAA's Revenue is Up, But It is Suing and Whining Nonetheless http://ping.fm/rRczF | Jul 30 11:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Newspapers Cartel Attacks Freedom of Information -- Again http://ping.fm/UO3Jf http://ping.fm/PxAd5 http://ping.fm/D1OxH | Jul 30 11:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canadian Copyright Cartel Uses Taxpayer Money to Attack the Public's Rights http://ping.fm/AJuVw | Jul 30 11:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Human Operations Patented (for Shame) http://ping.fm/tsT7O | Jul 30 11:20 | |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0 Larry Ellison - What The Hell Is Cloud Computing? | Jul 30 11:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] I have the words "bugger all" in a Birmingham accent in my head. What's that from? Old TV advert or comedy sketch... arrgh silly brain! | Jul 30 11:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nasscom Slammed for Selling Indians to Multinationals http://ping.fm/wcib6 | Jul 30 11:24 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, cloud = SaaS | Jul 30 11:25 |
| schestowitz | True | Jul 30 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Or virtualisation | Jul 30 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Like pile of servers | Jul 30 11:25 |
| oiaohm | cloud is about network providing. | Jul 30 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Fog | Jul 30 11:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: software via wires | Jul 30 11:25 |
| oiaohm | So can be SaaS | Jul 30 11:26 |
| schestowitz | hehe. Good video, fewa | Jul 30 11:26 |
| oiaohm | software via wires would be a closer to what it is. | Jul 30 11:26 |
| fewa | classic | Jul 30 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Problem is no one has fully worked out how to do it. | Jul 30 11:26 |
| schestowitz | They need to redesign the site | Jul 30 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Pictures of windmills and clouds | Jul 30 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Lots of clouds! | Jul 30 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Cloud images sell! | Jul 30 11:27 |
| schestowitz | My CPU is my cloud | Jul 30 11:28 |
| schestowitz | I send my tasks to it | Jul 30 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Cloud computing has always been a very general idea. | Jul 30 11:28 |
| schestowitz | I am afraid that my data is locked in in the cloud HDD | Jul 30 11:28 |
| schestowitz | I mean, what if the HDD has a downtime (bad sector)? | Jul 30 11:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: used to be SaaS | Jul 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz | SOA is related | Jul 30 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly schestowitz | Jul 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz | It relies on stupid PHBs | Jul 30 11:29 |
| oiaohm | SaaS was a sub form. | Jul 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz | They see bruchures with clouds | Jul 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz | *brochures | Jul 30 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Sun with java really started the idea of cloud. With the net OS idea. | Jul 30 11:30 |
| schestowitz | netpc? | Jul 30 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Where all application would be provided by net to the pc. | Jul 30 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Idea has not really disappeared just years of trying to work out best way to make it work. | Jul 30 11:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good rant: Larry Ellison - What The Hell Is Cloud Computing? < http://ping.fm/LIlb6 > | Jul 30 11:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] On The Microsoft Movement and Free Software Hating http://ping.fm/wFNjD | Jul 30 11:32 | |
| Ng | you can see clouds as more than SaaS, they can be PaaS and IaaS too | Jul 30 11:32 |
| Ng | e.g. EC2 is a mix of IaaS and PaaS | Jul 30 11:32 |
| fewa | Ng, PisS | Jul 30 11:33 |
| Ng | (Platform and Infrastructure, respectively) | Jul 30 11:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Mono Proponents Show Remnants of "Zealotry" http://ping.fm/GOnUr | Jul 30 11:33 | |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 30 11:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | clouds are fun | Jul 30 11:33 |
| *Diablo-D3 should build ne | Jul 30 11:33 | |
| fewa | Fogg | Jul 30 11:33 |
| fewa | Fogg computing | Jul 30 11:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | $$$$$$$ | Jul 30 11:33 |
| Ng | Diablo-D3: grab a recent ubuntu and apt-get install eucalyptus-* :) | Jul 30 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Snoop Foggy Fogg | Jul 30 11:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtfs that | Jul 30 11:34 |
| Ng | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Eucalyptus | Jul 30 11:34 |
| fewa | a too-fast-thrown-together copy of amazon S3 | Jul 30 11:34 |
| Ng | EC2 and S3 and NBS | Jul 30 11:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah | Jul 30 11:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | sounds lame | Jul 30 11:35 |
| fewa | A platform which must have paid people to make the API as horrid as possible | Jul 30 11:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should write my own cloud storage system | Jul 30 11:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | using.... FUSE | Jul 30 11:35 |
| Ng | fewa: the API is largely EC2s API | Jul 30 11:35 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, DRBD | Jul 30 11:35 |
| fewa | Ng, i was referring to Amazon API | Jul 30 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't get where the world cloud in cloud computing is come from. | Jul 30 11:36 |
| fewa | oiaohm, LCD, ie head in the clouds/fog | Jul 30 11:36 |
| oiaohm | cloud is coming form creating network diagrams. | Jul 30 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: lololno | Jul 30 11:36 |
| Ng | fewa: it's not great, but it is known, which is a start :) | Jul 30 11:36 |
| Ng | eucalyptus is pretty easy to get running and is developing at a good pace | Jul 30 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie the section of network you don't know how its hooked up gets put in cloud picture. | Jul 30 11:36 |
| fewa | oiaohm, aka, it does whatever it feels like | Jul 30 11:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Vistaster" Forced Upon Computer Buyers http://ping.fm/MrMpC | Jul 30 11:37 | |
| oiaohm | When you under stand that. Cloud computing is computing done over a network. So a super vage term. | Jul 30 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | it should be easy to write a mass storage networking file system | Jul 30 11:38 |
| Ng | I think network file systems exist already ;) | Jul 30 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: no | Jul 30 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres none that can do sane concurrent distributed storage | Jul 30 11:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the closest is gluster | Jul 30 11:39 |
| Ng | it is about time we had one a distributed storage system that was full of justwork magic | Jul 30 11:41 |
| Ng | but it does turn out that it's a pretty hard problem ;) | Jul 30 11:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Security' Software for Windows Does More Harm Than Good http://ping.fm/zbDgP http://ping.fm/b6w9H http://ping.fm/Z2whe | Jul 30 11:41 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: actually, it isnt that hard | Jul 30 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | after Im done taking over the world, I should write one | Jul 30 11:41 |
| Ng | Diablo-D3: my money says you'll get stuck into it and discover that it is quite hard ;) | Jul 30 11:42 |
| oiaohm | http://p2p-fs.sourceforge.net/ Warped stuff like this already exists. | Jul 30 11:42 |
| *Diablo-D3 breaks out the java | Jul 30 11:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Almost All Windows Users Are Ripe for Inclusion in Botnet http://ping.fm/SSCSs | Jul 30 11:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Could Exploit Cronyoo! to Spread Lock-in Around the Web http://ping.fm/ifvR9 | Jul 30 11:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Bartz says search engine Bing unlikely to make significant mark" http://ping.fm/6RcNu | Jul 30 11:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Spreads, Microsoft Shills Attack it by Pretending to be ODF Folks http://ping.fm/fyWhe | Jul 30 11:46 | |
| fewa | schestowitz, almost all Windows users _are_ on a botnet | Jul 30 11:46 |
| fewa | just matters which one at this point... | Jul 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | fewa: 40% | Jul 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I dread using a Windows box | Jul 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I would not get far | Jul 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I refute to enter passwords on it | Jul 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | E.g. to enter a site or something... keyloggers, zombies, and so on. | Jul 30 11:48 |
| schestowitz | fewa: did you see Moody's new talk? | Jul 30 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Keynote.. nice talk.. I'm watching it now | Jul 30 11:50 |
| fewa | no | Jul 30 11:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll put it up later | Jul 30 12:00 |
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| trmanco | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnote-list/2009-July/msg00016.html | Jul 30 12:47 |
| schestowitz | " * Implement org.gnome.Gnote.RemoteControl to mimic Tomboy DBus API." | Jul 30 13:15 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jul 30 13:18 |
| trmanco | Dbus | Jul 30 13:18 |
| trmanco | a bunch of bugs were fixed in tomboy, he ported them to gnote | Jul 30 13:19 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com/emacs/statuses/2923425504 | Jul 30 13:20 |
| http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#29 July 2009 (Joel Tanenbaum was sued by the RIAA) | Jul 30 13:22 | |
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| http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/trial-day-3/ -> Nesson: “Is the reason for these lawsuits to teach people a lesson?” Cho: “Yes.” | Jul 30 13:24 | |
| Joel is a PhD candidate in Physics. | Jul 30 13:24 | |
| The RIAA wants $4 million dollars from him. | Jul 30 13:25 | |
| He made the mistake of liking and sharing RIAA owned music. | Jul 30 13:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Further Progress for ODF, But Derailing Still Attempted by the Microsoft Crowd http://ping.fm/fWnkQ | Jul 30 13:29 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: he should have stuck to non-RIAA music | Jul 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | http://hewgill.com/sxsw/ | Jul 30 13:30 |
| I think so, but that eliminates most of recorded music history. | Jul 30 13:30 | |
| RMS is right about this. It is wrong to keep people from sharing. | Jul 30 13:30 | |
| It's about more than music. | Jul 30 13:30 | |
| People should be able to make libraries of journal articles, for example. | Jul 30 13:31 | |
| schestowitz | They should abolish RIAA music too | Jul 30 13:32 |
| schestowitz | That'll drive the artists to the right, ethical business model | Jul 30 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Some of them thrive in YouTube. | Jul 30 13:32 |
| schestowitz | They needn't have moguls/middlemen telling them what to do, either. | Jul 30 13:32 |
| The RIAA is a criminal organization and so are it's members. They have committed serious fraud that should be prosecuted. | Jul 30 13:33 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN4_g6UxdNo&feature=related <-- this pair was successful enough on YouTube, so they appeared on Ellen | Jul 30 13:34 |
| schestowitz | The same goes for that professor of that Last Lecture whom Oprah invited | Jul 30 13:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't mind the RIAA. I don't use their stuff. Others would be indifferent if they let em drop like the newspapers | Jul 30 13:35 |
| Ellen and Oprah are creatures of broadcast monopoly. | Jul 30 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | There's better music out there... from people who WANT you to download their art | Jul 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | twitter: indeed | Jul 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | But Web video is growing in the US | Jul 30 13:35 |
| archive.org has a wonderful collection. | Jul 30 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | It's not the CBS and NBCs that grow | Jul 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | archive.org too | Jul 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | See the video from Moody that I posted in BN this morning | Jul 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | he speaks about arhive.org a lot | Jul 30 13:36 |
| people will share and the monopolists will die of neglect. | Jul 30 13:36 | |
| the harm they do must be fought in the mean time. | Jul 30 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | They can change the law though | Jul 30 13:37 |
| schestowitz | We need to guard the Feds.. corruptible | Jul 30 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Eye on Microsoft: Windows and Insecurity < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/30/eye-on-microsoft-windows-and-insecurity/ > Windows is not getting more secure | Jul 30 13:40 |
| No one can make Windows secure. This is a flaw all non free software shares. Windows is an egregious case of a general problem. | Jul 30 13:46 | |
| oiaohm | Its not impossiable to make windows secure but it requires some very hard selections that end up with most windows applications in existance not running. | Jul 30 13:47 |
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| oiaohm | Issue is not the OS alone. Lot of windows applications are designed to work in a non secure envorment. | Jul 30 13:48 |
| Source code and freedom are required. You don't have either with Windows. -> oiaohm: Its not impossiable to make windows secure but it requires some very hard selections | Jul 30 13:50 | |
| oiaohm | Same kind of high security alterations done to Linux applications. Most of them will stay running due to being designed to run in secure envorments. | Jul 30 13:50 |
| "selections" == security voodoo. | Jul 30 13:50 | |
| oiaohm | The idea that binaryes cannot be audited is flawed twitter. | Jul 30 13:51 |
| tacone | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/27/apple-is-growing-rotten-to-the-core-and-its-likely-atts-fault/ | Jul 30 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Due to complier defects it pays to audit produced binaries. | Jul 30 13:51 |
| of course, working systems can be monitored. free software people do this too as proof of concept. but you can only fix the problems you find in practice when you have source code and freedom. | Jul 30 13:52 | |
| oiaohm | Note source code is cheeper to audit than binaries. | Jul 30 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie hard selections twitter | Jul 30 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Very expensive selections. | Jul 30 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Problem of closing the holes with windows is a lot of programs just will not run because they depend on the flaws to operate. | Jul 30 13:53 |
| ohm, you don't even convince yourself with that kind of talk. | Jul 30 13:53 | |
| oiaohm | Tools required to binary audit basically convert program back to asm and audit the operation from there twitter. Its painful. I guess you have never had to do it twitter. | Jul 30 13:55 |
| You run in circles, ohm, but you keep coming back to reality. -> Problem of closing the holes with windows is [some lame excuse] | Jul 30 13:56 | |
| oiaohm | Not exactly lame. | Jul 30 13:57 |
| but always some excuse. non free software can not be fixed. | Jul 30 13:57 | |
| oiaohm | The truth is people coding for windows most of them have not bothered about secure or safe programing. | Jul 30 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Instead hooked threw flaws for the fastest performance. | Jul 30 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Something that is classed as stupidity to do in the open source world. | Jul 30 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Because flaws will be removed. | Jul 30 13:58 |
| Yes, M$ has admitted that. The problem is that no one but they can fix it. Windows has some of the worse performance of any OS, please stop bullshitting yourself. | Jul 30 13:58 | |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Jul 30 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes someone can fix it if they are prepared to pay the price. | Jul 30 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Of incompadiblity. | Jul 30 13:59 |
| *** twitter ignores person who runs in circles to promote Windows. | Jul 30 13:59 | |
| oiaohm | Simple MS is not prepared to do what is right. | Jul 30 13:59 |
| oiaohm | You call what I call promote Windows. | Jul 30 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Its not. If your applications are coded by coders who just care about performance at any cost. You are simply a sitting duck secuirty wise. | Jul 30 14:01 |
| We see this kind of thing everywhere -> We have repeatedly warned and offered examples where ODF-hostile people were entering ODF mailing lists. They pretend to be friends of ODF in order to curse it | Jul 30 14:01 | |
| replace ODF with anything not M$. | Jul 30 14:01 | |
| oiaohm | Part of understanding a problem is understanding what caused it. History is important to avoiding mistakes. | Jul 30 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Lot of important lessions on what to never do can be takin from this history of windows twitter | Jul 30 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Its like Linux and Unix's trying to get rid of root user. Its a known problem. So over the years methods to deal with it have been developed. Sometimes causing major incompadiblities. | Jul 30 14:04 |
| oiaohm | The difference between windows and Linux is the willingness to do the right thing. | Jul 30 14:05 |
| oiaohm | by secuirty. | Jul 30 14:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme Bing is not Google, but it is a spin engine. http://bit.ly/Ge0cP | Jul 30 14:05 | |
| oiaohm | There have been other closed source OS's that are older than windows and never had anywhere near the same numbers of problems. Due to pure willingness to remove flaws no matter the cost. | Jul 30 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Your claim that windows is unfixable is wrong twitter. Its lack of willingness to pay the required price to fix it. If they are not willing to pay the price to fix what else is wrong. | Jul 30 14:07 |
| oiaohm | And the scary thing about someone developing a OS and not willing to pay the price of fixing flaws ie some times incompadiblies is a snow ball effect leading to a less and less secure OS. | Jul 30 14:10 |
| oiaohm | The effect could happen just as simple in a Open Source OS as a closed source one. | Jul 30 14:10 |
| oiaohm | And the bigger the snow ball the large the price to fix it. | Jul 30 14:11 |
| oiaohm | The problem with people like twitter claiming the problem of windows secuirty as not fixable is then MS does not have to because the problem is too large to fix. | Jul 30 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Really twitter you are being pro problem claiming its unfixable. | Jul 30 14:14 |
| oiaohm | By the way twitter Linux kernel has had its snow balls of problems. Just when they are located the price has been paid to fix them. ie all the 1.x. and 2.x version changes have been caused by them. | Jul 30 14:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Time to Drop the Word “Zealot” from Software Debates? http://ping.fm/Qn1yc | Jul 30 14:20 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: oiaohm is not your enemy | Jul 30 14:21 |
| schestowitz | *sigh* | Jul 30 14:21 |
| oiaohm pretends Windows can be fixed and projects it's flaws onto free software. It's nonsense I don't care to read. | Jul 30 14:22 | |
| oiaohm | No twitter | Jul 30 14:22 |
| oiaohm | I explained something important about secuirty twitter | Jul 30 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Diversity is key to security | Jul 30 14:23 |
| oiaohm | The snow ball effect. | Jul 30 14:23 |
| Diversity is not possible without freedom. | Jul 30 14:23 | |
| oiaohm | MS has alowned themselves to snow ball themselves in. | Jul 30 14:23 |
| Windows is and always be what M$ makes it. | Jul 30 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | Linux is also sophisticated in its structure | Jul 30 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Unlike WIndows, it limits damage with random mem allocations and sandboxing | Jul 30 14:24 |
| oiaohm | By not taking small pain. | Jul 30 14:24 |
| schestowitz | So rotten apps won't mess you up totally | Jul 30 14:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Free Software Can Save the World, According to @glynmoody http://ping.fm/X4UGq | Jul 30 14:24 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of the reason why MS random memory allocations don't work is MS unwillines to break old applications. | Jul 30 14:24 |
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| oiaohm | At every chance to make Windows secure MS retreats to backwards compadiblity so leaving a secuirty mess. | Jul 30 14:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: we are fortunate that Windows was built so insecure and for compatibility reason this may never be mended | Jul 30 14:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, beat me to it. | Jul 30 14:25 |
| you can get random mem allocations, but you don't even have to try. GNU/Linux's distribution, architecture and module diversity insure that no two computers will have the same memory map at a low level. | Jul 30 14:25 | |
| schestowitz | ALso versons | Jul 30 14:26 |
| schestowitz | New releases every 6-8 months | Jul 30 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Very trickey to create botnets this way. No uniformity | Jul 30 14:26 |
| and user costomizatons | Jul 30 14:26 | |
| oiaohm | Before random memory allocation entered Linux kernel sorry lot of key memory points were fixed twitter | Jul 30 14:26 |
| schestowitz | IE and OE monoculutre is troublesome too | Jul 30 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Minesweeper | Jul 30 14:27 |
| Even an extreme case, like the EEE PC is limited damage compared to Windows. | Jul 30 14:27 | |
| oiaohm | Different kernels did not alter that twitter until the selection was taken to break a stack of drivers at the 1.x to 2.x change of the Linux kernel. | Jul 30 14:27 |
| schestowitz | How many IP addresses won't have minesw~1.exe somewhere on the disk? | Jul 30 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Linux has a history of taken the right options twitter | Jul 30 14:28 |
| Supposes someone figures out how to p0wn EEE PC with a Flash attack. They get a small selection of EEE PCs. I doubt the same thing would work on a Dell mini. | Jul 30 14:28 | |
| oiaohm | And it shows. | Jul 30 14:28 |
| and, of course, it won't bother my Debian set up which has no flash. | Jul 30 14:28 | |
| That's free software diversity in action. | Jul 30 14:28 | |
| oiaohm | Problem is the diversity is not a great as you make out. | Jul 30 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Linux userspace ABI from the kernel is basically a constant. | Jul 30 14:29 |
| oiaohm | From there lot of information can be probed. | Jul 30 14:30 |
| Drive by attacks are greatly reduced in effectiveness, spread times are larger and payoff is smaller. | Jul 30 14:30 | |
| oiaohm | Without the introduction of LSM that created diversity making a probing a risky sport from hell on some systems Linux would be open to attack. | Jul 30 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Selections done in the formation of Linux secuirty have been critical. | Jul 30 14:31 |
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| oiaohm | I don't think twitter gets it yet. Its not just diversity. Its design and willing ness to do what is right. I still remember the pain selinux caused when it was first introduced in 2000 schestowitz | Jul 30 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Bugger I missed it I missed asking twitter if open source is so great why is freedos and other open source dos releations dos virus compadible. Diversity alone does not give secuirty. | Jul 30 14:39 |
| Geode | diversity is another name for obscurity, and obscurity is only a limited defense agaist attack, if the prize is worth it no OS is secure. Just there are far more of easier (soft) targets. But if the prize is high enough it will be targetted. | Jul 30 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Linux servers holding lots of major data around the world they are quite targeted. | Jul 30 14:45 |
| Geode | yes, they are, and sometimes successfully. your right | Jul 30 14:45 |
| oiaohm | So proper formal security designs have had to be done for linux and backwards compadiblity broken to fix security at times. | Jul 30 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Its pure willingness to do the right thing is the major difference between Linux and Windows. | Jul 30 14:47 |
| Geode | no OS or app is ammune from security issues, and all require keeping security in mind at all stages. | Jul 30 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Of course not immune doing the right things reduce the risks a lot. | Jul 30 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Geode is _Mutex_ | Jul 30 14:48 |
| Geode | thats politics, I dont want to get into biases or politics, just technically all OS come under attack. but all OS's can be secured | Jul 30 14:48 |
| schestowitz | The style gave it away, the lookup confirms: CPE-121-217-249-225.nsw.bigpond.net.au | Jul 30 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Without major break in application compadiblity lot of windows issues cannot be fixed. | Jul 30 14:49 |
| oiaohm | So far MS has not been willing the pay the price. | Jul 30 14:49 |
| >ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Jul 30 14:49 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Jul 30 14:49 | |
| Geode | you can pick a logical argument a mile off Roy :) | Jul 30 14:49 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!n=mandybea@121.217.249.* | Jul 30 14:49 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked Geode from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jul 30 14:49 | |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Jul 30 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | Watch out for next morph | Jul 30 14:50 |
| oiaohm | _Mutex_ does not put up a logical arguement. | Jul 30 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Another 2 lines and he was toast. | Jul 30 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you know | Jul 30 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | we should cook up some scheme | Jul 30 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | to buy microsoft stock | Jul 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't ban him for what he says now BTW | Jul 30 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Jul 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz | It's the fact that he ban-evades after past abuses with like 10-20 other names | Jul 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz | *emphasis on _now_ | Jul 30 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | we could donate the dividends to foss legal funds | Jul 30 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Without stating that it's same old Mutex it might seem like elimination of dissent | Jul 30 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie MS has over 15 years of spent stacked up problems. | Jul 30 14:51 |
| schestowitz | He also does the same in BN comments | Jul 30 14:51 |
| *Diablo-D3 sighs | Jul 30 14:51 | |
| schestowitz | He comes from the anti-Linux site | Jul 30 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Why buy MS. | Jul 30 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Let them die. | Jul 30 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: think about it | Jul 30 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft would fund their own destruction | Jul 30 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Jul 30 14:52 |
| schestowitz | "But MSFT, save Yahoo" ;-) | Jul 30 14:52 |
| schestowitz | *Buy | Jul 30 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes MS might be just dumb enought to do that. | Jul 30 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | yahoo is a bad investment | Jul 30 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Thinking at one time MS sued themselves. | Jul 30 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: well | Jul 30 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | ms cant control who owns their stock | Jul 30 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | so we could just shunt their revenues to pro-foss groups | Jul 30 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Pay some group to talk out against Open source | Jul 30 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | its Free Money (tm) | Jul 30 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Only one problem that group has the compete Idea of buying MS out. | Jul 30 14:54 |
| oiaohm | With there own money. | Jul 30 14:54 |
| oiaohm | It would be so funny. | Jul 30 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | ibm should buy microsoft just to kill it | Jul 30 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft is standing between a lot of companies and said companies' profits | Jul 30 14:55 |
| oiaohm | What would IBM gain other than wasted money that could go into Linux development. | Jul 30 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | ibm included | Jul 30 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: see above | Jul 30 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft is in the way. | Jul 30 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the cost of doing business imo | Jul 30 14:55 |
| oiaohm | IBM is funding Linux to by pass MS. | Jul 30 14:55 |
| oiaohm | And cause MS to give them software cheep. | Jul 30 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully less than it costs to maintain. | Jul 30 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish IBM would spend more on java development | Jul 30 14:56 |
| oiaohm | That is orcales department. | Jul 30 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also ibm's | Jul 30 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | ibm has their own java | Jul 30 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they very much rely on java development | Jul 30 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | same way oracle needs java because lots of apps that use oracle db are custom enterprise java | Jul 30 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Each of the Platinum Members of the Linux foundation has a major job they are responsable for. They do dable in other areas. | Jul 30 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | ibm needs java because lots of people buy ibm boxes to run enterprise java on | Jul 30 14:58 |
| oiaohm | IBM's is mostly documentation. Very good documentation. | Jul 30 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM doesnt make money on their docs =P | Jul 30 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they make money on their enterprise hardware | Jul 30 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are still very much a large hardware shop | Jul 30 14:58 |
| oiaohm | There docs are important to using the hardware effectively. | Jul 30 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're going to eventually finish their transition to a majority of software someday | Jul 30 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then go to SaaS | Jul 30 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Oracle+Sun and IBM aren't "competitors" | Jul 30 14:59 |
| oiaohm | All the linux foundation plat members bar one are hardware makers. | Jul 30 15:00 |
| oiaohm | With Linux most of the profit is in the sales of hardware. | Jul 30 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | governments, major companies, and militaries often have policies that state there must be at least two vendors to source a product from | Jul 30 15:00 |
| oiaohm | With bundled support contracts. | Jul 30 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | I imagine Sunacle and IBM will be the last men standing | Jul 30 15:00 |
| oiaohm | HP and Dell are still also standing. | Jul 30 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | HP is..... meh | Jul 30 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Dell is bargin basement shit | Jul 30 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, could you take a large company seriously if they had racks full of Dell shit? | Jul 30 15:01 |
| oiaohm | HP has come back from the edges that many times you cannot count them out. | Jul 30 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | I don't like HP enterprise anymore | Jul 30 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say here in Australia racks full of Dell stuff is not uncommon. | Jul 30 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | HP used to have enterprise stuff worth buying | Jul 30 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | low end HP enterprise stuff costs as much as Dell | Jul 30 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Dell stuff is cheap enought to afford the extra bits to cover the stablity problem. | Jul 30 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | high end HP enterprise stuff costs as much as IBM or Sun's low end stuff | Jul 30 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | so either you just buy Dell or you buy Sun or IBM | Jul 30 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no | Jul 30 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | if Im going that route | Jul 30 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just build the shit myself | Jul 30 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is ultimately a better solution anyhow | Jul 30 15:04 |
| oiaohm | I wish I could with some companies. | Jul 30 15:04 |
| oiaohm | They have 5 years free hardware replacement if it breaks with dell contracts. | Jul 30 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, I can even build blade servers | Jul 30 15:05 |
| oiaohm | So can I. Lot of companies here just love dell stuff. | Jul 30 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | no I meant like | Jul 30 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | supermicro's stuff | Jul 30 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats pretty nifty imo | Jul 30 15:06 |
| oiaohm | I can get any custom case from design I want built in 3 days. Yes I mean pure unique case for location. | Jul 30 15:07 |
| oiaohm | So its not that I cannot do it. Got all the machine shops i need to build all kinds. | Jul 30 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Problem is client willing ness to trust a non big name. | Jul 30 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I love working for myself | Jul 30 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | :D | Jul 30 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just realized something | Jul 30 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | istanbul opterons have 6 cores | Jul 30 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | supermicro makes blades that take four of those. | Jul 30 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10 blades fit in a box | Jul 30 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the box is 4u tall | Jul 30 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | er whoops | Jul 30 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | 7u tall | Jul 30 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | so thats 240 cores in a really tiny space | Jul 30 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | short of VPS selling combined with a storage cluster, I have no clue what to do with that much power. | Jul 30 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Render a blender movie. | Jul 30 15:13 |
| oiaohm | It will find a way to eat it all. | Jul 30 15:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More RAND and Hostility Towards Standards, Courtesy of Microsoft http://ping.fm/gUCm5 | Jul 30 15:14 | |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously though, thats a lot of CPU power | Jul 30 15:14 |
| oiaohm | I am 100 percent serious. | Jul 30 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats 240 cores in twice the space of where I have 2 cores. | Jul 30 15:15 |
| oiaohm | I have seen blender creating some videos give a 1024 core system almost max load. | Jul 30 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | my case is roughly 4U sized | Jul 30 15:15 |
| oiaohm | It is one of the biggest cpu munches I know. | Jul 30 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, 3D rendering does take a lot | Jul 30 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Issue is video rendering does not use GPU yet. | Jul 30 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | that box is probably $10k too | Jul 30 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no | Jul 30 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have renderers written in opencl now | Jul 30 15:16 |
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| oiaohm | For game engine last time I looked Diablo-D3 | Jul 30 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Not video render Diablo-D3 | Jul 30 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, I meant offline raytracers | Jul 30 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | notice I said opencl | Jul 30 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | as in, gpgpu | Jul 30 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Hmm what version did that sneek in Diablo-D3 | Jul 30 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt say for blender | Jul 30 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just said they have renderers that use gpgpus | Jul 30 15:18 |
| oiaohm | And I am refering to the default blender render engine. | Jul 30 15:18 |
| oiaohm | That does a really nice job other than being a CPU hog from hell at times. | Jul 30 15:18 |
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| trmanco | http://megahal.alioth.debian.org/Best.html | Jul 30 16:01 |
| Eruaran | interesting conversation | Jul 30 16:14 |
| trmanco | with a bot :-) | Jul 30 16:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] i boggle that Garfield Minus Garfield is now running on the official United Comics site http://www.gocomics.com/garfieldminusgarfield/ | Jul 30 16:27 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | bah | Jul 30 16:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats not funny at all | Jul 30 16:34 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Jul 30 16:51 |
| Omar87 | Did the GIMPShop project die? | Jul 30 16:51 |
| tacone | afaik yes | Jul 30 16:57 |
| tacone | ugly patch | Jul 30 16:57 |
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| trmanco | http://friendfeed-media.com/804c8bde6e964e41ee41eb5d58132d154834dee1 | Jul 30 17:37 |
| tacone1 | usually is funnier when it's some proprietary software displaying some expired license alertbox | Jul 30 17:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @MXC: All we need to do is proof that migrating your servers/desktop to linux stops the spread of swine flu and the world is ours. | Jul 30 17:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] it's a good thing for microsoft that drm is infallible http://is.gd/1UG7o | Jul 30 17:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] today's interview moved to tomorrow, another monday. w00t! DAMN YOU WORLD, GIVE ME MONEY. | Jul 30 18:06 | |
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| schestowitz | BT profits hit by Global Services < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/bt_quarter_steadies/ > | Jul 30 18:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What will happen to Hadoop (FOSS) now that Microsoft turned Cronyahoo! into a zombie? http://ping.fm/94odt | Jul 30 18:18 | |
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| tessier_ | Nothing will happen to Hadoop. | Jul 30 18:19 |
| tessier_ | It is FOSS and has a life of its own now. | Jul 30 18:19 |
| *tessier_ just received the O'Reilly Hadoop book a few days ago. | Jul 30 18:19 | |
| tessier_ | It's on my queue to read. | Jul 30 18:19 |
| schestowitz | CentOS has a newsletter now | Jul 30 18:20 |
| tessier_ | I hope this missing CentOS lead developer thing doesn't seriously impact the project. | Jul 30 18:20 |
| schestowitz | iPhone Encryption Useless < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/07/iphone_encrypti.html > | Jul 30 18:21 |
| schestowitz | tessier: there's half a dozen other RHEL clones | Jul 30 18:21 |
| tessier_ | None with anywhere near the proven track record of CentOS. | Jul 30 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Not unless CentOS users move to them :-) | Jul 30 18:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz not to mention zimbra. | Jul 30 18:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: Zimbra is not related to search | Jul 30 18:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK's national ID card unveiled < http://ping.fm/j9H4N > So when do I get my RFID for the nostril? | Jul 30 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://techczar.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/microsoft-and-yahoo-the-bahoo-bonanza/ | Jul 30 18:33 |
| schestowitz | " Microsoft has much to gain from Yahoo, especially in “Street cred” and cross platform capabilities. Remember that Yahoo is not a Windows shop, so Microsoft will be gaining invaluable knowledge from the cross-pollination that will take place between the company’s employees. While Yahoo doesn’t innovate nearly as much as they used too, this deal has the potential to get their juices rolling again." | Jul 30 18:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 10 ergonomic keyboards that actually do their job http://ping.fm/Imzxv Nice gallery of photos there | Jul 30 18:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell: New Ubuntu Desktop PC Launching Soon http://ping.fm/DbFWD The anti-Linux propagandists try to claim Dell was dumping it. | Jul 30 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | Of Spiders and Scrapers: Decomposing Web Pages 101 < http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7448/1.html > | Jul 30 18:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Are Cigarette Packs the New Cigarette Ads? < http://ping.fm/rczil > | Jul 30 18:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open talk about propaganda against the population's involvement: http://ping.fm/yszGh | Jul 30 18:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Crackdown on sunbeds to cut cancer danger < http://ping.fm/6Jdep > I used these for about a year; it's a good thing I stopped. | Jul 30 19:03 | |
| schestowitz | 10,000 Uighurs disappeared during unrest in China, exiled leader claims < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/29/uighur-leader-japan-tokyo-china > | Jul 30 19:05 |
| schestowitz | "Mono-nono is proud to present our first guest posting, from Dan Serban!" http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/30/guest-post-a-modest-proposal/ | Jul 30 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Laptop encryption — the ideal and the real http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/07/laptop-encryption-the-ideal-an.html | Jul 30 19:14 |
| schestowitz | " Cox Quits as TTY Maintainer [...] A dispute between Adam Cox and Linus Torvalds on the Linux kernel mailing list has led to Cox standing down as TTY subsystem maintainer." http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/07/laptop-encryption-the-ideal-an.html | Jul 30 19:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Alan Cox and Linus have disagrees for a long time about GPLv3 and now there are other sources of tension. :-| | Jul 30 19:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Tomorrow will be the first time I ever get to see Petra and Rum Valley. :) | Jul 30 19:43 | |
| GOMF_t | Alan Cox ? or adam ? | Jul 30 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/29/1925224/Alan-Cox-Quits-As-Linux-TTY-Maintainer-mdash-Ive-Had-Enough?from=rss | Jul 30 19:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linus implied that his Linux peers who distrust Microsoft have a "disease" Bad more: http://ping.fm/IwiLX | Jul 30 20:00 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: http://www.centos.org/ | Jul 30 20:02 |
| tessier | Saw the letter this morning | Jul 30 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Dispute between Linux gurus Alan Cox and Linus Torvalds < http://www.h-online.com/open/Dispute-between-Linux-gurus-Alan-Cox-and-Linus-Torvalds--/news/113882 > | Jul 30 20:03 |
| schestowitz | tessier: there are several teams that 'branch'/unbrand RHEL | Jul 30 20:03 |
| schestowitz | SO no issue here really. | Jul 30 20:03 |
| Omar87 | Linus is really disappointing me.. -_- | Jul 30 20:05 |
| schestowitz | There were similar issues years ago | Jul 30 20:05 |
| schestowitz | When he said to someone "get the hell out of my mailbox' or something like that | Jul 30 20:06 |
| schestowitz | It almost forked IIRC, but it all gets resolved at the end | Jul 30 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Here's some fun news for a change: 10 Cool Unix/Linux Personalized License Plates < http://www.junauza.com/2009/07/10-cool-unixlinux-personalized-license.html > :-D | Jul 30 20:07 |
| tessier | Wish I had a cool Linux license plate. :( | Jul 30 20:11 |
| tessier | Been too lazy to think up something that is available and apply for it. | Jul 30 20:11 |
| GOMF_t | im so lazy i dont even fini | Jul 30 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: Create your own system branding < http://julianaloofi.wordpress.com/ > | Jul 30 20:16 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I though you had one | Jul 30 20:17 |
| schestowitz | *thought you said something about a vanity slogan on something | Jul 30 20:17 |
| schestowitz | GOMF_t is Mutex | Jul 30 20:17 |
| >ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Jul 30 20:18 | |
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| trmanco | :O | Jul 30 20:19 |
| trmanco | this guy just never desists | Jul 30 20:19 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: Nope. Used to have a bumper sticker, that's it. | Jul 30 20:21 |
| schestowitz | ..Turns out FSS uses Linux already :-) http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/07/on_the_faas_slo.html;jsessionid=WGL2DDBLBXAHIQSNDLOSKHSCJUNN2JVN They spoke about moving to Linux desktop before. | Jul 30 20:21 |
| schestowitz | *FAA (typo) | Jul 30 20:21 |
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| twitter1 | Free software makes progress on the desktop everywhere because it is the obvious replacement for Windows. | Jul 30 20:23 |
| twitter1 | Free software desktops have so outclassed Windows that only the fanatical, the ignorant or the deeply entrapped still use it. | Jul 30 20:24 |
| twitter1 | Hey, I'm #1 | Jul 30 20:25 |
| twitter1 | bbl | Jul 30 20:25 |
| schestowitz | BIND name server vulnerable to DoS attacks < http://www.h-online.com/open/BIND-name-server-vulnerable-to-DoS-attacks--/news/113872 > | Jul 30 20:26 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: Just /nick | Jul 30 20:27 |
| schestowitz | /nick twitter (that'll remove the #1) | Jul 30 20:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] change compression algorithm of KDE4 ark dolphin context menu < http://ping.fm/rqo7j > It's all about choice. | Jul 30 20:30 | |
| schestowitz | oxygen has just gotten a licence: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen/Licensing | Jul 30 20:30 |
| twitter1 | I don't think so. | Jul 30 20:31 |
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| so, I was wring | Jul 30 20:31 | |
| trmanco | what is awol? | Jul 30 20:31 |
| Away without leave. | Jul 30 20:31 | |
| schestowitz | texstar is baaaaaaack :-) :-) http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=60048.0 | Jul 30 20:32 |
| a military term for desertion | Jul 30 20:32 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWOL | Jul 30 20:32 |
| bbl | Jul 30 20:32 | |
| trmanco | ah thanks | Jul 30 20:33 |
| trmanco | should of googled it | Jul 30 20:33 |
| schestowitz | 'In 1998, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights document called “Conscientious objection to military service, United Nations Commission on Human Rights resolution 1998/77” recognized that “persons [already] performing military service may develop conscientious objections” while performing military service' | Jul 30 20:33 |
| schestowitz | A lot of military recruitment is still inherently unethical | Jul 30 20:33 |
| schestowitz | "On May 28, 2006, the UK military reported over 1,000 deserters since the beginning of the Iraq war, with 566 deserting since 2005." | Jul 30 20:34 |
| schestowitz | "According to the Pentagon, more than 5,500 military personnel deserted in 2003–2004, following the Iraq invasion and occupation." | Jul 30 20:34 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Principles#Principle_IV | Jul 30 20:35 |
| schestowitz | 'In the common parlance, this principle could be paraphrased as follows: "It is not an acceptable excuse to say "I was just following my Superior's orders" "' | Jul 30 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yes HOWEVER | Jul 30 20:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | nothing of what Im about to say applies to Iraq, so Im not going to say it anyhow | Jul 30 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | re: hitler's soldiers had their lives on the line, so its acceptable for them | Jul 30 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | ie, "do it or I shoot you" | Jul 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Even seniors like Eichmann? | Jul 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Of course, Nuremberg trials proved fruitless as a lesson | Jul 30 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im talking the actual ground pounders | Jul 30 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | not the twit officers | Jul 30 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Had the Nuremberg rules applied today, some people in some countries we all know about would too be hanged | Jul 30 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yup | Jul 30 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: maybe. Lynching | Jul 30 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im all for it | Jul 30 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Jul 30 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | people in our own government conspired to put our country in danger | Jul 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | .I doubt it | Jul 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | But I think about the 80s | Jul 30 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | bush knowingly bullshitted the american people and congress | Jul 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | That's when you have obvious grotesque example | Jul 30 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I hate bush | Jul 30 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | every generation has a president they hate | Jul 30 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | bush is mine | Jul 30 20:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New: Google's Wikipedia Wannabe (Knol) Explains Why and How to Migrate to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/QNmkp | Jul 30 20:48 | |
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| sebsebseb | You guys may want to listen to this BBC Redhat guy interview: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p003r602 | Jul 30 20:52 |
| schestowitz | THanks for reminding me to listen to it (which I will). I saw it days ago | Jul 30 20:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz you can be certain microsoft wants it dead dead dead with a chair through its skull, though | Jul 30 20:53 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Yeah I saw it on http://www.linuxtoday.com the other day | Jul 30 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and listended to it this morning | Jul 30 20:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @schestowitz: maybe Bartzmer will defend it | Jul 30 20:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Kernel Space Gets Heaps More Graphics Drivers http://ping.fm/qWL0n | Jul 30 21:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the idea that knol is a "wp killer" is pure media fiction. it's nothing like it in any way. much more like about.com. | Jul 30 21:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virt-manager 0.8.0 (KVM) is Offically Released http://ping.fm/DO2Zk | Jul 30 21:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @schestowitz Google Knol is to Wikipedia what Wolfram|Alpha it to Google...? | Jul 30 21:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNOME 2.27.5 is Finally Out http://ping.fm/oFE1Z | Jul 30 21:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Arch Linux 2009.02 http://ping.fm/5AO3q | Jul 30 21:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz like about.com to google images. or bing to ms office. or chalk to cheese. or green to Tuesday. highly unrelated ;-p | Jul 30 21:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of an Easier Fedora Than Fedora (Omega) http://ping.fm/vMN1u | Jul 30 21:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz google said knol is nothing like wp, wp thinks knol is nothing like wp. media just used "wp" as a hook to babble about knol. | Jul 30 21:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz those xorg driver changes are mostly insignificant - just code cleanup AFAIK. nothing works better or worse. | Jul 30 21:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : yeah, well... still a distraction from the Cox incident. :-p | Jul 30 21:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glance at a USB Key That Bypasses Windows with GNU/Linux A Glance at a USB Key That Bypasses Windows with GNU/Linux | Jul 30 21:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] what doesn't kill you can make you stronger, apparently: europe got rich because life was utterly shit http://bit.ly/a33ug HT @glynmoody | Jul 30 21:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sharp Rise Seen in Free Software in the Philippines http://ping.fm/7fIOv | Jul 30 21:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Preparations for Firefox 3.6 Already Begin http://ping.fm/zSgy5 | Jul 30 21:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness/Freedom Embraced by Berkley Academia http://ping.fm/Ju7RU | Jul 30 21:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft and Yahoo: Too Little, Too Late, Too Hyped http://ping.fm/YkEU4 Two broken SEs can't be 'combined' to make a good one. | Jul 30 21:47 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: just listened to the show; Good one... | Jul 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Peter Day was a annoying at times. | Jul 30 21:59 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: indeed he was | Jul 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Even rude | Jul 30 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Jul 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Matthew did well | Jul 30 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I still listen to him. Peter is like, "stop harassing us" | Jul 30 22:07 |
| schestowitz | When I think about it, Day's job is at risk because this whole movement, but he's unfit to do this interview with his convictions | Jul 30 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | I am behind on reading Linux news, and I also got podcasts I want to listen to, thing is if I am listening to stuff on my computer, it's useually music | Jul 30 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | another two guys that I got to listen to that interview, got a bit annoyeed at it I think | Jul 30 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | those two guys doing the interview I don't exactly know who they are, I just got onto the thing since linuxtoday | Jul 30 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so by the sounds of it you have listended to stuff by these two before? | Jul 30 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I have an article about the BBC coming later anyway | Jul 30 22:12 |
| schestowitz | I'll lump in a rant about Peter Day | Jul 30 22:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Women getting more beautiful, say Photoshop retouchers http://is.gd/1UYqA | Jul 30 22:12 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh your going to write/type something about the BBC for the website? | Jul 30 22:12 |
| schestowitz | About the interview but other more important things | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | The BBC and Microsoft | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | They are in bed again | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Highfield fiasco | Jul 30 22:13 |
| fewa | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-29-2009/home-crisis-investigation | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | They swap staff in the UK | Jul 30 22:13 |
| fewa | ^^ excellent | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Very incestuous | Jul 30 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | would be great if they covered opensource/freesoftware more on the BBC properly, but no :( | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Hardly ever | Jul 30 22:13 |
| fewa | Timothy geitner cant sell his own house. | Jul 30 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | I mean BBC could be one way to get it advertised properly to the general public | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | They also don't coverage media properly | Jul 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They spread MAFIAA propaganda | Jul 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | "Piracy", "Thives" IP... | Jul 30 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | uh what's this? | Jul 30 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | They see themselves as a victim in all this | Jul 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They don't like blogs, either | Jul 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I hate the BBC | Jul 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | I call them MSBBC | Jul 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Search BN for "bbc" to get the picture (of what they have been doing) | Jul 30 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah their technology section on the news site, Linux hardly ever gets mentioned | Jul 30 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | The BBC is not cuddly like it used to be (Auntie) | Jul 30 22:15 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it does sometimes | Jul 30 22:15 |
| schestowitz | anti-Linux stories | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Always | Jul 30 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | well they done some stuff on there about OLPC before | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | It's not a coincidence | Jul 30 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | the OLPC stuff wasn't negative | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | "We have 17.1 million users of bbc.co.uk in the UK and, as far as our server logs can make out, 5 per cent of those [use Macs] and around 400 to 600 are Linux users." --Ashley Highfield, BBC | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | He now works for Microsoft UK | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | OLPC is not purely Linux | Jul 30 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | iplayer eventaully came to Linux as well, but I woudn't install that since the DRM, plus it's Adobe Air or whatever the Linux version, so more propritary stuff | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | iPlayer was a disaster | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Still is | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Download Service.. | Jul 30 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they have streaming iplayer as well, but with Flash of course, not HTML 5 and the <video> tag and OGG, and telling people to get Firefox 3.5 or another browser that supports it, so they can play the video | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Highfield and the DRM fantasies from Microsoft | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | The Flash came after they got grilled and slammed by Parliament and the public | Jul 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Make no mistake... it was NOT part of the plan | Jul 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | These people had their job on the line | Jul 30 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | to have a Linux version? | Jul 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | They were brought to water and forced to drink | Jul 30 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | well they did say they wanted iplayer to work on many devices | Jul 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hardly | Jul 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Something for Ubuntu, to make up appearances | Jul 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: ha! | Jul 30 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uh? | Jul 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Hardly | Jul 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Never mind | Jul 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | See BN posts abut it | Jul 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | it's old news | Jul 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | I've written about it since 2006 | Jul 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Some Digg.com front pages too | Jul 30 22:19 |
| *sebsebseb to be honest I haven't read much of your stuff yet | Jul 30 22:19 | |
| sebsebseb | I read an article on yoru site about removing Mono, but I think maybe that was even by someone else? | Jul 30 22:20 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what about ITV? like them? | Jul 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Just posted daily news: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/30/faa-uses-gnu-linux/ | Jul 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I do it on a bi-daily basis again, as I did a year ago | Jul 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Channel 4 and ITV have similar issues | Jul 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | But... BBC is unique | Jul 30 22:22 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] by the way, desperate pimp of the day: "you've been looking for unix jobs in london - I have some positions open in Poland ..." | Jul 30 22:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New Evidence of the Incestuous Relationship Between the BBC and Microsoft http://ping.fm/6brcE | Jul 30 23:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : better Polish that CV [pun] | Jul 30 23:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Masters of FUD: Apple, IBM, and Microsoft http://ping.fm/VvNCG | Jul 30 23:34 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: what's up with that?? http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-172220/thecityguide-in-and-scrap-unite-for-environmental-concern-with-van-mahotsav | Jul 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Google Gives Sony 1 Million More Books < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/30/google-gives-sony-1-million-more-books > I like what GOogle does with literature, enabling the public | Jul 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=uk&hl=en&q=microsoft+portugal No English coverage. We need s translation of what's available in .PR, I guess. | Jul 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/centos_open_letter/ "According to another post, Davis "vanished" from the project sometime last year. And it too says Davis has sole access to the project's PayPal and Google AdSense accounts." | Jul 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | tessier: http://lestighaniker.de/2009/07/30#open-letter-to-lance-davis Looks like sort of old news perhaps | Jul 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm should see this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/cisco_patches_ios_vulns_july_30_2009/ (Cisco patches DoS vuln pair in IOS) | Jul 30 23:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dutch Court Sides With Anti-Piracy Group; Says Pirate Bay Must Block Dutch Web Surfers < http://ping.fm/gC7b8 > | Jul 30 23:44 | |
| cj | schestowitz: have you read through this? http://www.debian.org/social_contract | Jul 30 23:48 |
| cj | I'll take my question offline. long time reader, fifth time writer. or maybe sixth. | Jul 30 23:49 |
| cj | schestowitz: but srsly, you should read it if you have not. If you want to raise a flag, you should claim that Mono doesn't meet the standards described in the Debian Social Contract. | Jul 30 23:50 |
| cj | but if you can't back it up, I would avoid doing so. | Jul 30 23:50 |
| cj | your history of not checking the facts before posting such claims is coming to mind. | Jul 30 23:50 |
| cj | schestowitz: you could consider this definition of Free Software prior to the advent of the term "open source" | Jul 30 23:52 |
| cj | schestowitz: if you are not familiar with it, you should become so if you would like to claim to speak for the Free Software or "F/OSS" community. | Jul 30 23:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's interception of some Android deals takes its toll. http://ping.fm/OgoEz | Jul 30 23:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] CHROME OS – First look? http://bit.ly/Ljoyz #google #microsoft #linux | Jul 30 23:55 | |
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