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| cubezzz | sometimes I think about the end of Tron, you know the part where Flynn says "it's a free system again" and the red lines all turn into blue lines | Aug 01 00:40 |
| cubezzz | but when I look around today's internet I see the opposite | Aug 01 00:41 |
| cubezzz | Encom = Microsoft basically | Aug 01 00:41 |
| cubezzz | it's more like it _was_ a free system, then it got more and more red, now it's slowly turning blue :) | Aug 01 00:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looks like everyones in for a treat?!? Apparently an 80 page review of 7 is coming our way...great joy...can't wait... | Aug 01 01:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm sure I'll spend the time to evaluate it. I wonder how many sentences will have "Feature rich" in them? | Aug 01 01:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just installed the latest build of Chromium... 3.0.197.0 (0) giving it a run....I don't think Firefox has much time left on my rig! #linux | Aug 01 01:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Running the development release of Wine (1.1.26) on a few demoscene binaries. Very impressive! XPM for 7? Why not Wine for Linux instead? | Aug 01 01:34 | |
| _goblin | and it looks as if nobody is talking..... | Aug 01 01:45 |
| Aondo | :) | Aug 01 01:52 |
| Aondo | you are! | Aug 01 01:52 |
| _goblin | or were.... | Aug 01 01:57 |
| oiaohm | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/31/microsoft_plans_to_use_windows_7_to_raise_netbook_prices.html << Hmm | Aug 01 02:12 |
| oiaohm | Look like MS is being force to back way from cut price attack. | Aug 01 02:13 |
| Aondo | but with arm netbooks they wont have anything to say, would they? unless they adapt i guess. | Aug 01 02:13 |
| _goblin | "ultra thin" didnt ballmer call them...? | Aug 01 02:14 |
| _goblin | he seems to forget that the appeal of Netbooks is price...An more expensive laptop with a different name won't appease (IMO) just because its small... | Aug 01 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Issue here is under cutting is never a long term game if you need income. | Aug 01 02:16 |
| _goblin | I think the truth is, is that they know the hunger for netbooks and cheap prices is not going to be satisfied with a Windows platform and cheap, low spec hardware..... | Aug 01 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Linux is basically out lasting. | Aug 01 02:16 |
| _goblin | my XP netbook experience was awful....and they are saying they can get Vista 7 on a cheap netbook? I wouldnt think so.... | Aug 01 02:17 |
| _goblin | it may be netbook in size, but it certainly won't be in price. | Aug 01 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Dos vs OS/2 all over again. | Aug 01 02:18 |
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| What do I make of this http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/skype_as_we_know_it_may_not_exist_much_longer_ebay.php | Aug 01 03:32 | |
| ? | Aug 01 03:32 | |
| Software patents suck life. | Aug 01 03:33 | |
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| Skype is not your freedom friend http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/skype_says_no_to_jailbroken_iphones.php | Aug 01 03:37 | |
| they can die with an attitude like that. Good riddance | Aug 01 03:38 | |
| probably scared someone will figure out how to use the video camera (with a mirror, duh) and beat Apple to the video phone punch. | Aug 01 03:39 | |
| Xarver | :P | Aug 01 03:41 |
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| Something worth sharing http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/freedom-or-copyright.html | Aug 01 03:56 | |
| There's a good slogan. "Something that's worth sharing is worth having. If you can't share it, it's worthless." | Aug 01 03:58 | |
| M$ dude harasses RMS at free software conference. http://www.globalnerdy.com/2009/01/26/winning-the-gnu/ | Aug 01 04:17 | |
| Gotta love the looks he's getting here http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/stallmandevilla-5.jpg | Aug 01 04:21 | |
| amarsh04 | Does RMS ever harass others? | Aug 01 04:24 |
| I don't think he goes to M$ conferences. | Aug 01 04:32 | |
| Or trolls the interwebs, seeking and destroying. | Aug 01 04:33 | |
| That's what mega corps like M$ do. | Aug 01 04:33 | |
| they have to put some TE in every chat room, at every convention, influence all media, spin, spin spin. If they spent half as much on code, they would not need the advertising. | Aug 01 04:40 | |
| here's something nifty http://www.belkin.com/skype/howitworks/ | Aug 01 04:54 | |
| I don't think it has a camera, though. | Aug 01 04:55 | |
| and the EEE PC is cheaper | Aug 01 04:56 | |
| cubezzz | heh. funny story | Aug 01 04:59 |
| tessier__ | schestowitz: /home has reached 99% full. I am compressing your wordpress db dumps for you. Would be a good idea to modify whatever script you have to dump the db to compress them afterwards also. Might want to just keep a week of dumps. | Aug 01 05:04 |
| It's funny how TE's look down on consultants who sell out for the low price of $250/hour. You know they have sold out for a fraction of that. | Aug 01 05:10 | |
| oiaohm | Linus sometimes goes to MS conferences for sport. | Aug 01 05:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes there are some good funny videos of MS guys getting Linux data wrong then finding out they are being correct by Linus. | Aug 01 05:14 |
| Seems like a waste of time, Ohm. | Aug 01 05:15 | |
| But it's his time to waste | Aug 01 05:15 | |
| oiaohm | Its not exactly a waste of time. He goes sometimes to find out what MS is planing. | Aug 01 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Everyone has to have there form of r&r. | Aug 01 05:17 |
| Everyone knows what M$ is planning - it's what free software was doing 10 years ago. | Aug 01 05:22 | |
| Somehow, it never get's past the planning stages. | Aug 01 05:22 | |
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| Heh, from above article on Skype doom. -> Skype continues to grow very quickly. Now with 480 million users around the world, it is twice the size of Facebook and adding users almost as fast. | Aug 01 06:05 | |
| Only software patents could screw up something twice the size of facebook. | Aug 01 06:06 | |
| Works well on GNU/Linux, Steve Smash! | Aug 01 06:06 | |
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| oiaohm | Patent war could happen if software patents are attempted to be used against open source. | Aug 01 06:34 |
| oiaohm | MAD out come would be bad. | Aug 01 06:35 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: thanks, wil do that | Aug 01 07:06 |
| fewa | Thats why i take an effort to spread open-source | Aug 01 07:09 |
| fewa | to let people see what it can do | Aug 01 07:10 |
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| mikey | hey roy, i will be in the gym for 9.30, this morning, you coming? | Aug 01 07:49 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, sure. | Aug 01 07:50 |
| How did you like the announcement that Windows is officially a weapon of mass destruction? | Aug 01 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | Where? | Aug 01 07:51 |
| Sandia Lab's study of botnets. | Aug 01 07:51 | |
| mikey | ok setting off out now, see you at the gym at 9.30 for ping pong etc | Aug 01 07:52 |
| They are the official US nuclear stockpile stewards. Them making Windows botnets on their supercomputers (using wine) was very funny. | Aug 01 07:52 | |
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| http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/28/1958237/Sandia-Studies-Botnets-In-1M-OS-Digital-Petri-Dish | Aug 01 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: oh, *that* | Aug 01 07:55 |
| schestowitz | A bit dated now | Aug 01 07:55 |
| yes | Aug 01 07:55 | |
| still funny | Aug 01 07:55 | |
| I commented on it at the time. | Aug 01 07:55 | |
| must be too much noise in here for you to see my comments .... | Aug 01 07:55 | |
| Ouch. I see that the RIAA just gave everyone 675000 new reasons to hate them. | Aug 01 08:17 | |
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| http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/tenenbaum-trial-opens-following-last-minute-dismissal-of-fair-use-defense.ars | Aug 01 08:22 | |
| "tortured" jury choice | Aug 01 08:22 | |
| prior dismissal of all defenses | Aug 01 08:22 | |
| slam dunk for RIAA set up before trial even started. | Aug 01 08:23 | |
| That's what $1M of legal muscle will buy you in the US. Shameful. | Aug 01 08:23 | |
| more here http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/ | Aug 01 08:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Yes its true, theres limited Flash support on Chromium by enabling the option at the command line.... | Aug 01 08:26 | |
| fewa | http://www.govtrack.us/congress/amendment.xpd?session=111&amdt=h187 | Aug 01 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | WFTL Bytes! is back http://wftlbytes.com/content/wftl-bytes-july-29-2009 | Aug 01 08:40 |
| fewa | what? | Aug 01 08:43 |
| fewa | what was wrong with yahoo's search results? | Aug 01 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | Zafargo: =Mutex | Aug 01 09:02 |
| >ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Aug 01 09:02 | |
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| schestowitz | He'll come back with yet another name | Aug 01 09:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa: someone mailed me this: | Aug 01 09:03 |
| schestowitz | "It looks like M$ gutted Yahoo and is keeping the outer shell. If PHP | Aug 01 09:03 |
| schestowitz | and FreeBSD developers were really the target, then this does close to | Aug 01 09:03 |
| schestowitz | maximum damage because M$ was able to eliminate the employment | Aug 01 09:03 |
| schestowitz | protections in case of buyout." | Aug 01 09:03 |
| fewa | ugggh | Aug 01 09:04 |
| fewa | yahoo results were never horrible IMHO | Aug 01 09:04 |
| fewa | and yahoo has a number of employees that are real evangalists | Aug 01 09:04 |
| fewa | such as Douglas Crockford, creator and supporter of JSON | Aug 01 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Really yahoo has very few lines doing well. | Aug 01 09:07 |
| fewa | Japan | Aug 01 09:07 |
| fewa | Yahoo Japan is worth more than Yahoo US | Aug 01 09:07 |
| fewa | Google struggles to compete | Aug 01 09:08 |
| fewa | even had to make their japan homepage differnt | Aug 01 09:08 |
| oiaohm | qq.com is also another major competitor in that area. | Aug 01 09:09 |
| fewa | china != japan | Aug 01 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Google search engine seams to have issues with japaniess finding correct results. | Aug 01 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Where qq.com and yahoo engine seams to do better. | Aug 01 09:12 |
| fewa | bus yes asian anguages are a completely different computational model | Aug 01 09:12 |
| fewa | Yahoo US's best asset is probably its 50% state in yahoo japan | Aug 01 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Yahoo search engine for results is still way ahead of MS engine. | Aug 01 09:15 |
| fewa | exactly | Aug 01 09:16 |
| fewa | but that WFTL Bytes! show said they would scrap it | Aug 01 09:16 |
| fewa | and replace it with the Decide for me! engine | Aug 01 09:16 |
| oiaohm | MS insanity. | Aug 01 09:16 |
| oiaohm | Strikes again. | Aug 01 09:16 |
| fewa | which mean i will have to drop using yahoo | Aug 01 09:17 |
| fewa | which i actually like | Aug 01 09:17 |
| fewa | google's advantages seem to be a bigger index, and better guessing at noindex sites | Aug 01 09:18 |
| fewa | but with sources of information there should always be more than one source | Aug 01 09:18 |
| oiaohm | http://www.dmoz.org/ << maybe focus will return to this. | Aug 01 09:19 |
| fewa | dmoz is useless, wikipedia is _much_ better | Aug 01 09:19 |
| fewa | or other socially determined sites | Aug 01 09:19 |
| schestowitz | dmoz is Wales' old project, I learned | Aug 01 09:20 |
| schestowitz | It used to have a different name I can't recall | Aug 01 09:20 |
| fewa | came out of Netscape i thought | Aug 01 09:20 |
| schestowitz | And Wikipedia used not to be a Wiki | Aug 01 09:20 |
| fewa | then through AOL and now Mozilla/Wikipedia | Aug 01 09:20 |
| schestowitz | THey just took some Wiki software later. DMoz failed for Wales | Aug 01 09:20 |
| fewa | primarily | Aug 01 09:20 |
| fewa | dmoz was the #1 way to get good listings | Aug 01 09:21 |
| fewa | you could get page 1 of a somewhat minor topic with dmoz | Aug 01 09:21 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Aug 01 09:21 |
| fewa | on the search engines | Aug 01 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Wikipedia is the birth of place of mediawiki . | Aug 01 09:22 |
| fewa | of course | Aug 01 09:22 |
| fewa | but mediawiki isn't actually that great | Aug 01 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Compared it what existed before it was fewa | Aug 01 09:22 |
| fewa | meh what about meatballwiki software | Aug 01 09:23 |
| fewa | same syntax | Aug 01 09:23 |
| fewa | on what part? the monobook style? template system? versioning backend? | Aug 01 09:23 |
| fewa | this is awesome: http://github.com/bmizerany/git-wiki/network | Aug 01 09:25 |
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| oiaohm | mediawiki supports images and videos and the like. Meatball is targeted at per data. | Aug 01 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Since mediawiki lot of others have appeared. | Aug 01 09:28 |
| fewa | I still like mediawiki cause its WYSIWYM | Aug 01 09:30 |
| fewa | too many WYSIWYG, which is fundamentally flawed | Aug 01 09:30 |
| fewa | and doesn't work well in browser | Aug 01 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Remember items like wordpress follow on from mediawiki. | Aug 01 09:32 |
| fewa | demo http://git-wiki.kicks-ass.org/Home | Aug 01 09:33 |
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| oiaohm | git-wiki could have working copy advantage. | Aug 01 09:38 |
| fewa | isnt that cool? | Aug 01 09:38 |
| oiaohm | To a point. git merge conflits can be fun. | Aug 01 09:41 |
| fewa | oiaohm, have you seen mediawiki merge conflicts? | Aug 01 09:41 |
| fewa | there is absolutely no merge resolution | Aug 01 09:41 |
| fewa | even if both are working on completely differnt sections | Aug 01 09:41 |
| fewa | except through a hack, that if only one section was showed it only conflicts if that section was conflicted | Aug 01 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes you are better of with no merge optio. | Aug 01 09:42 |
| fewa | git-wiki is also horrible insecure | Aug 01 09:42 |
| oiaohm | That with a merge that goes forward and is incorrect. | Aug 01 09:43 |
| fewa | in that you can upgrade binary files and it will blindly put then to the browser | Aug 01 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Ie the double sided sword. | Aug 01 09:43 |
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| Krenso | Hello | Aug 01 10:01 |
| Krenso | interview with gnome-do author http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6797/2/ | Aug 01 10:01 |
| Krenso | Gnome-do uses linq and other technologies not covered by ms comunity promise. So ubuntu right now van be sued. | Aug 01 10:02 |
| Krenso | it does not have patent deal with ms, as i know | Aug 01 10:02 |
| Krenso | *can | Aug 01 10:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Weiner Challenges the Republicans to Put-Up or Shut-Up on Healthcare http://bit.ly/u9KOw #hcr #hr3200 #hr676 | Aug 01 10:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "You know you have made it when….." New article on Openbytes. Hi Moshe Goldfarb! http://tinyurl.com/nb7a9p #microsoft #linux #windows | Aug 01 11:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] i joked about a chess player's page with a makeup & leg photo, and got a follow from "a chess grandmaster and model." Seems it IS necessary. | Aug 01 11:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] FCC finally asks Apple "WTF" over iPhone App Store http://ping.fm/RlIre I'm sure the EU will notice too when the Pre gets here | Aug 01 11:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] this is not a joke. RT @xlerb SQCK: fsck(8) reimplemented in SQL. Yes, really. http://is.gd/1WLOv | Aug 01 12:56 | |
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| trmanco | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnote-list/2009-July/msg00020.html | Aug 01 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | Minor | Aug 01 13:16 |
| trmanco | yeah, just a applet crash fix | Aug 01 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Gnote does well on its own now | Aug 01 13:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Alguém me sabe dizer em que é que consiste um "Administração de Sistemas SAP"?? | Aug 01 14:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Mutex is back | Aug 01 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | That was Mutex nymshift | Aug 01 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Aug 01 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Apache ain't serving pages. Weird | Aug 01 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Server's up, maybe a connectivity issue. | Aug 01 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Though it would not explain being to SSH | Aug 01 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | OK, apachectl restart did the trick | Aug 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... maybe not quite | Aug 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | BN is not accessible. tessier is probably asleep | Aug 01 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | 1566 mysql 15 0 405m 115m 4592 S 136.2 5.6 6801:29 mysqld | Aug 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Something weird is going on. | Aug 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Very erratic | Aug 01 14:50 |
| tacone | what's the problem ? | Aug 01 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Not sure... | Aug 01 14:51 |
| schestowitz | First it didn't serve pages | Aug 01 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I restarted Apache and now mysql load is crazy | Aug 01 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I think I can get it under control.. | Aug 01 14:52 |
| schestowitz | ANother setback for Novell this week.. post coming soon. | Aug 01 14:54 |
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| wallclimber | Yay! BN is working again | Aug 01 15:07 |
| popey | 19:11:57 < schestowitz> popey: they mention you in the show | Aug 01 15:09 |
| popey | schestowitz: yeah, misquoting me aren't they? | Aug 01 15:09 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, Gnote still backports some stuff from tomboy | Aug 01 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Gnote is a pure clone operation. | Aug 01 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Its has kinda scared the crap out of some C# developers how simply cloning of there work can be done. | Aug 01 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | popey: I don't know. Let them know in #linuxoutlaws | Aug 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | You'll find me there too ;-p | Aug 01 15:12 |
| tacone | hubert declared gnote is not going to be a port forever | Aug 01 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Because common sence kinda says if mono cannot do something with its memory usage and cpu usage tomboy will die when running in competition to gnote. | Aug 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | What about plguins? | Aug 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | They may, in due time, add gnote compt. | Aug 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | At least those that are not themselves Mono-reliant | Aug 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I'll do the next exhibit later today, I hope. Wasted too much time today on pingpong and sauna, so I feel behind... ^_^ | Aug 01 15:16 |
| wallclimber | I understand. Pingpong and saunas make me feel behind too | Aug 01 15:17 |
| wallclimber | :) | Aug 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Next post is about Novell cancellation | Aug 01 15:18 |
| schestowitz | The press totally misses this one. | Aug 01 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Did you hear the latest about sy-congara? | Aug 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.javaworld.com/community/node/3261 | Aug 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | http://aralbalkan.com/2316 | Aug 01 15:19 |
| wallclimber | Novell cancellation of what? | Aug 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | http://aralbalkan.com/2315 | Aug 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Hot water for MOG and her" "Cihad" friends, who did to Aral Balkan what they did to PJ, sort of | Aug 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh, you know what I learned today:? | Aug 01 15:20 |
| wallclimber | i'm surprised no one has sued sys-con by now | Aug 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | One of the most senior people here got caught marketing exams and fraudulently claiming some qualifications | Aug 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I'd hate to check out the news later... it has been in the front pag | Aug 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: Groklaw could | Aug 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | There's evidence | Aug 01 15:21 |
| wallclimber | didn't carla write about this too? | Aug 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Let me get that news from Manc.. | Aug 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: hardly | Aug 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | She just mentions it | Aug 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | She knows about the "expose" incident | Aug 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | But Brian was in Linux Today at the time | Aug 01 15:22 |
| wallclimber | yes, what they tried to do to pj was shameful | Aug 01 15:22 |
| wallclimber | wasn't Brian one of them that quit over the pj incident? | Aug 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | British Airways loses £148 million < http://www.mirror.co.uk/advice/money/2009/08/01/british-airways-loses-148-million-115875-21563693/ > | Aug 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Scientist got job despite shadow over past < http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1129165_scientist_got_job_despite_shadow_over_past_ > | Aug 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | 'Exam cheat' professor probed < http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/08/01/exam-cheat-professor-probed-115875-21563049/ > | Aug 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I thought it would be Nancy Rothwell | Aug 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Turns out it's an American prof | Aug 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: Brian? He was with Jupitermedia | Aug 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | University professor 'marked exam papers without reading them properly' < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5948218/University-professor-marked-exam-papers-without-reading-them-properly.html > | Aug 01 15:24 |
| wallclimber | I don't think I'd want to fly an airline that's cutting costs - | Aug 01 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Depends on where wallclimber | Aug 01 15:26 |
| wallclimber | i'd worry the planes would be unsafe | Aug 01 15:26 |
| oiaohm | If its like reception and food ok annoyance. | Aug 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: many of them do | Aug 01 15:27 |
| oiaohm | If its aircraft care o boy problems. | Aug 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | You'd need to pay for water | Aug 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | In some British airlines you need to pay to use the toilet | Aug 01 15:27 |
| oiaohm | It does partly come down to how good the regulators are with air safety. | Aug 01 15:28 |
| wallclimber | well, they probably don't say much about it if they cut back on mechanics and maintenance | Aug 01 15:28 |
| wallclimber | people | Aug 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: and yes, I worry about safety too if they cut replacement budgets and slacken the checks prior to flights | Aug 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | There have been many crashes since Wall Street crashed | Aug 01 15:28 |
| wallclimber | they just give the remaining workers more work | Aug 01 15:28 |
| wallclimber | to do | Aug 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | I said this earlier this year when many planes were failing. | Aug 01 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Australia a air line caught cutting back on maintenance loses clearance to land. | Aug 01 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Basically it a out of business effect. | Aug 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Even the fact that shipments of new planes get canceled... | Aug 01 15:29 |
| oiaohm | So they will cut anything else first. | Aug 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | It means that plane whch would be decommissioned like Concordes simpy don't | Aug 01 15:29 |
| wallclimber | i love flying, but i hate airports | Aug 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | The whole cycle of new replaces oldest gets broken | Aug 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Boeing lost a multi-billion-dollar deal in AU | Aug 01 15:30 |
| wallclimber | so if i can't drive myself i just don't go | Aug 01 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Carbon footprint | Aug 01 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Flight from east to est (US) = half a tonne of carbon per passenger | Aug 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | *west | Aug 01 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Boeing lost of deal is linked to something else. | Aug 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I suppose so | Aug 01 15:31 |
| wallclimber | the last time i flew they made me take off my shoes - i purposely wore the thinnest, most minimal sandals possible...yet, being barely 5ft tall and obviously over 50, i still | Aug 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | I read it 2-3 months ago | Aug 01 15:31 |
| wallclimber | apparently looked like a potential terrorist | Aug 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | WHat's the obsession with travel anyway? | Aug 01 15:31 |
| oiaohm | A boeing aircraft having a complete computer failure in mid air did not do them good. | Aug 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Are people so bored or have they explored EVERY little corner of their town/country? | Aug 01 15:31 |
| oiaohm | A almost new aircraft. | Aug 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | There should be standup skits about it | Aug 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | The "going abroad" thing is like the "going out" | Aug 01 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Fly by wire aircraft with all comptuers out is not good. | Aug 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | "What are you going out?" | Aug 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | "To be 'Out'" | Aug 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm "out there" | Aug 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm "not at home" | Aug 01 15:32 |
| wallclimber | Roy, yes, exploration is great fun. I love travel. I hope to do a lot more before i get too old | Aug 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | People would go out to watch a film they could watch at home | Aug 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | "Where's Phil?" | Aug 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | "I don't know.. he went OUT!" | Aug 01 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically boeing is going to have redesign control system with a hardware back up schestowitz. | Aug 01 15:33 |
| wallclimber | i think it's important to see new places and meet new people | Aug 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: also new models are canceled | Aug 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | ALl these vision of two-floor planes with leisure facilities.. | Aug 01 15:33 |
| oiaohm | They are the heavy fly by wire schestowitz | Aug 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | People never enjoy air travel | Aug 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing 'fun' about being confined in a noisy cabin and a safety strap | Aug 01 15:34 |
| wallclimber | air travel sucks - i think they send airport security people to "Bad-Attitude" school | Aug 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | So the rich folks take the front seats (most dangerous) and sip wine to pretend it's all fun | Aug 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: they have to be tough | Aug 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Nice ones are rare | Aug 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | They probably get sacked or don't make selection | Aug 01 15:35 |
| oiaohm | The new guys in the air port are nice. | Aug 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Being smiley and polite make them unfit for the job | Aug 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe in Aussie | Aug 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | The rest are very cold-minded | Aug 01 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't understand how rude most of the public are to them. | Aug 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | They also do it so many hours per day, so can you blame them? | Aug 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | How many people do they ask to take their belt off per day? | Aug 01 15:36 |
| oiaohm | When was the last time you spoke nicely to the secuirty personal. | Aug 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | After a while you'd lose patience... same with till jobs | Aug 01 15:36 |
| oiaohm | And just nicely answersed there questions. | Aug 01 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people don't. | Aug 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | They shoouldn't | Aug 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | It's frowned upon | Aug 01 15:37 |
| schestowitz | It makes them stand out almost as suspicious | Aug 01 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Aug 01 15:37 |
| schestowitz | I never see folksiness in the Security Booth (Threatre) | Aug 01 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Other people are the same.. | Aug 01 15:37 |
| wallclimber | Here, if you aren't polite to security you don't get on the plane | Aug 01 15:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe it depends where | Aug 01 15:37 |
| oiaohm | I have had times I have got threw the airport faster by being polite and answering there questions. | Aug 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Even checkin people are not so cheerful | Aug 01 15:38 |
| oiaohm | virgin here is known for cheerful. | Aug 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | In no airline/airport. Maybe it's different for First Class, but I don't know. | Aug 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Flgiht attendants are the opposite | Aug 01 15:38 |
| oiaohm | They don't have a first class. | Aug 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | They are polite and nice all along. You know what they should do? | Aug 01 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Everyone on virgin gets treated the same. | Aug 01 15:38 |
| wallclimber | i've been flying for several decades, the rudeness these days is not due to rude customers | Aug 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Swap the stewards/sses with the people int he security checkpoints | Aug 01 15:39 |
| wallclimber | the last time i flew i felt like i was in a pen full of prisoners being herded to the jailhouse | Aug 01 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Then you'll have people patrolling the plane asking for people to take their shoes off | Aug 01 15:39 |
| oiaohm | secuirty personal have a list of check points to cover. | Aug 01 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Sooner they get done with it the happier they are. | Aug 01 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Just a lot of people stupidly argue with the secuirty personal. | Aug 01 15:40 |
| wallclimber | Here, you never, NEVER argue with security...seriously | Aug 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Some are nebies | Aug 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | *newbies | Aug 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Airport newbies don't know to empty pockets before scanner walkthrough | Aug 01 15:41 |
| wallclimber | you don't joke with them either | Aug 01 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: TSA? | Aug 01 15:41 |
| Xarver | hello | Aug 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | In Canada we all needed to pay airport tax. It was weird | Aug 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | I had to change currencies for it. Other people were annoyed too... | Aug 01 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Xarver: hey | Aug 01 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Most annoying thing is the rule than cannot tell you what they have found in your bag on the scanner. | Aug 01 15:42 |
| oiaohm | and that you have to find it and hand it over. | Aug 01 15:42 |
| tacone | well they told me | Aug 01 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Pair of plastic tweasers was funny. | Aug 01 15:42 |
| tacone | they took it out and asked me what it was | Aug 01 15:43 |
| Xarver | Hey this is just me pondering, but for the LGPL license, I have a question. If someone gets your source code, could they compile and sell it? | Aug 01 15:43 |
| tacone | it was a little laser. the one you use on the blackboards at meetings (i was 18yrs old) | Aug 01 15:43 |
| tacone | then they asked me very seriously what it was used for.. | Aug 01 15:43 |
| wallclimber | I figure i just won't fly again until i get rich enough to affort my own jet | Aug 01 15:43 |
| wallclimber | :) | Aug 01 15:43 |
| oiaohm | They could sell the program using it Xarver as long as the provide the source code. They could charage for the compile of the LGPL part as well. | Aug 01 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie source code to the LGPL bit. | Aug 01 15:44 |
| tacone | good point wallclimber | Aug 01 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes Xarver LGPL is not anti selling things. | Aug 01 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Xarver: yes, they can | Aug 01 15:44 |
| schestowitz | If they modify it, then they can be requested to give the modifications they make | Aug 01 15:45 |
| Xarver | So if you sold a program for 50dollars on the LGPL, someone can give it out for free. | Aug 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: good thinking | Aug 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Good for the environment too | Aug 01 15:45 |
| wallclimber | i wouldn't mind having a flying car like Judy Jetson | Aug 01 15:46 |
| schestowitz | bkuhn from the SFLC wrote about this the other day | Aug 01 15:46 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: BN's server admin is a pilot | Aug 01 15:46 |
| wallclimber | does he have a flying car? | Aug 01 15:46 |
| wallclimber | :) | Aug 01 15:47 |
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| Xarver | hi crunchy135711 | Aug 01 15:47 |
| Xarver | Yes or no? | Aug 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: that exists | Aug 01 15:48 |
| Xarver | Because then there would be no point in selling it, as someone is giving it out for free. | Aug 01 15:48 |
| schestowitz | But not commercially, yet | Aug 01 15:48 |
| schestowitz | I saw articles about flying cars a while back | Aug 01 15:48 |
| schestowitz | It's just a waste of energy | Aug 01 15:48 |
| oiaohm | LGPL libs can be used in different licenced programs Xarver | Aug 01 15:48 |
| schestowitz | They don't gain high speed | Aug 01 15:48 |
| oiaohm | If you want a GPL program sold to end users you have go no more than old version of kexi. | Aug 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | That vision may never come true. Fossil fuel (in abundance) will have run out by then. | Aug 01 15:49 |
| crunchy135711 | can you distribute LGPL libs with licensed code? | Aug 01 15:49 |
| wallclimber | well, high speed is over rated anyway, a slow flying car would be fine | Aug 01 15:49 |
| Xarver | I see... What opensource license would use that's selling a product, allowing modifications, but disallowing redistribution? | Aug 01 15:49 |
| oiaohm | They even altered it to cripple the windows program unless you had a valid licence key Xarver | Aug 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Warren Buffet will get one... just like BillG made that disaster called Surface, which he prevented Microsoft from killing because he wanted one | Aug 01 15:49 |
| Xarver | :| | Aug 01 15:49 |
| oiaohm | The linse engine was even open source Xarver | Aug 01 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Windows users are lazy it proved. | Aug 01 15:50 |
| Xarver | Dx | Aug 01 15:50 |
| wallclimber | yes "surface" is really catching on, isn't it? lol | Aug 01 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Aug 01 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Basically the idea that you need to be closed source to sell to end users is wrong. | Aug 01 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Not even in Vegas | Aug 01 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Target niche | Aug 01 15:50 |
| oiaohm | You just need lazy enough end users. | Aug 01 15:50 |
| schestowitz | And with the new depression and hotels being quite empty it may never attain profitabillity | Aug 01 15:51 |
| schestowitz | It will make a nice museum item as BillG's last hurray | Aug 01 15:51 |
| schestowitz | To paraphrase, "it's a good thing we have museums to document that stuff" | Aug 01 15:51 |
| wallclimber | heh...a Bill Gates Museum...wonder what would be in it | Aug 01 15:52 |
| wallclimber | one big window? | Aug 01 15:52 |
| wallclimber | with cracks in it... | Aug 01 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Xarver LGPL allows linking to different licence code including closed source code. | Aug 01 15:53 |
| Xarver | so if you made an os closed source but made the libs all LGPL no one would hate the os? :P | Aug 01 15:54 |
| oiaohm | I would not go that far. | Aug 01 15:54 |
| oiaohm | You would not have lawyers breathing down your neck as long as you followed the LGPL conditions. | Aug 01 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie providing the source code of the LGPL licenced bits. | Aug 01 15:55 |
| oiaohm | There are some people who would just hate the OS becaue its closed source. | Aug 01 15:56 |
| Roy is making one of these online at BN, lots of criminal documentation -> wallclimber: heh...a Bill Gates Museum...wonder what would be in it | Aug 01 15:56 | |
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| oiaohm | There are a lot of programs out there that are part open and part closed Xarver | Aug 01 15:58 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: that exists | Aug 01 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Including MS Windows. | Aug 01 15:59 |
| schestowitz | And they also invest in some | Aug 01 15:59 |
| schestowitz | B&M put money also in libraries | Aug 01 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Which in turn affects their technology orientation | Aug 01 15:59 |
| schestowitz | It's all part of that nice little swindle | Aug 01 15:59 |
| Xarver | oiaohm, so would people hate the company for making it part closed source? | Aug 01 15:59 |
| wallclimber | hmmm...everything they do seems to be a swindle | Aug 01 15:59 |
| Xarver | or at least the open source peopl | Aug 01 15:59 |
| Xarver | people | Aug 01 16:00 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I made a new page | Aug 01 16:00 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2007/10/21/gates-foundation-loophole/ | Aug 01 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Some people Xarver Not the complete open source world. | Aug 01 16:01 |
| Xarver | Ah ok. That's fine then | Aug 01 16:01 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Aug 01 16:01 |
| oiaohm | People forget companies like redhat do have closed source parts. | Aug 01 16:01 |
| Xarver | :P | Aug 01 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Open source world has people from all extreams. | Aug 01 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Aug 01 16:02 |
| the old "stairwell method" ? -> marked exam papers without reading them properly | Aug 01 16:03 | |
| oiaohm | Windows 7. I forget about that people talk about 7 deady sins. It might be fun to see if Windows 7 matches up. | Aug 01 16:03 |
| Xarver | oiaohm, Nice! | Aug 01 16:06 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, big new over here in Manchester | Aug 01 16:06 |
| schestowitz | A friend told me about it this morning. | Aug 01 16:06 |
| ah. It looks like she at least "skimmed" them. | Aug 01 16:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Drops Another Event and Loses Major Contract with City of Los Angeles http://ping.fm/322An | Aug 01 16:07 | |
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| schestowitz | fewa: can you do Wiki edits without the Quote Extension? | Aug 01 16:07 |
| schestowitz | I can'y get it installed | Aug 01 16:07 |
| schestowitz | I get errors when I try | Aug 01 16:07 |
| final papers, she must have used the "reputation and looks" method. | Aug 01 16:07 | |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Microsoft_Sins | Aug 01 16:08 |
| wallclimber | lol...List of Microsoft Sins "Illegally shooting antelope"?? | Aug 01 16:09 |
| wallclimber | tooo funny | Aug 01 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait...... | Aug 01 16:09 |
| schestowitz | It works finally! | Aug 01 16:09 |
| schestowitz | After 2 weeks | Aug 01 16:09 |
| schestowitz | They fixed their svn | Aug 01 16:09 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: too true | Aug 01 16:09 |
| oiaohm | I was thinking 7 deady sins and Windows 7 design flaws. | Aug 01 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Really I don't know what MS was doing calling it 7 its so much a open target. | Aug 01 16:11 |
| Xarver | Lol | Aug 01 16:11 |
| Xarver | funny | Aug 01 16:11 |
| wallclimber | oiaohm, maybe they thought 7 would be their lucky number? | Aug 01 16:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: just VIsta 6.1 | Aug 01 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Registry calls it Windows v. 6.1 | Aug 01 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they changed it to "7" in RTM | Aug 01 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Vista is Windows 6 | Aug 01 16:12 |
| wallclimber | Vista 6.66 would be funnier | Aug 01 16:12 |
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| oiaohm | I will pull out the deady sins at some point I have the sneaking feeling it might have them all covered. | Aug 01 16:13 |
| ViViVi | Aug 01 16:13 | |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: that's Trademark of GlodmanSachs666 | Aug 01 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I recommended it to some friends here | Aug 01 16:15 |
| wallclimber | Extravagance (includes Lust), 7 Deadly sins (according to WP: Gluttony, Greed, Acedia (Despair & Sloth), Wrath, Envy, Pride (Vainglory) | Aug 01 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Turns out many people already know about it BECAUSE GOldman harassed those guys | Aug 01 16:15 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: 7 is a special numbers in the bibles | Aug 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | When Vista 7 burns down like it committed a sins the religious groups will hopefully sue MSFT ;-) | Aug 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Remember the Fiji incident? | Aug 01 16:16 |
| wallclimber | fiji incident? | Aug 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | YEah. | Aug 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Wait. | Aug 01 16:16 |
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| Vista 7, taking aim at true fundamentalists and other irrational characters with misplaced faith. | Aug 01 16:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1026609/fiji-attacks-microsoft | Aug 01 16:17 |
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| 7, it must be blessed. | Aug 01 16:17 | |
| schestowitz | "SOFTWARE GIANT Microsoft has been told not to contaminate the good image of a pacific island by naming its software after it. Fiji's military government has penned a nasty letter to Vole demanding that the company not use its country's nomenclature on any of its products." | Aug 01 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Smart people | Aug 01 16:17 |
| very funny. | Aug 01 16:18 | |
| schestowitz | They learned from VIsta that Windows is a dead end. VIstA already has its reputation semi ruined." | Aug 01 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Mojave too is a laughing stock] | Aug 01 16:18 |
| wallclimber | yes, Mojave was great comedy | Aug 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Desert | Aug 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Keyword: desert | Aug 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | User count: 9 | Aug 01 16:18 |
| like Guantanamo | Aug 01 16:18 | |
| schestowitz | Windows Guantanamo | Aug 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Not that's a good name | Aug 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Locks you RIGHT in | Aug 01 16:19 |
| wallclimber | lol, i know all about the Mojave desert | Aug 01 16:19 |
| wallclimber | :) | Aug 01 16:19 |
| wallclimber | it's hot and dry | Aug 01 16:19 |
| Abu Garu Office | Aug 01 16:19 | |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: who? Gates? | Aug 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Clippy is a cop | Aug 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | With a whip | Aug 01 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Mojave desert was also ment to be USA reactor waste dump. | Aug 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | "It SEEMS like you are writing a FREAKIN docuement!!" | Aug 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | "Would you like me to SERVE you?" | Aug 01 16:20 |
| wallclimber | yes, there has been dumping in the deserts for many decades | Aug 01 16:20 |
| I'm told that China issued a slightly modified version of Clippy that really was a cop. | Aug 01 16:20 | |
| oiaohm | Before las vagas grew. | Aug 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | twitter: for censorship? | Aug 01 16:20 |
| yes | Aug 01 16:20 | |
| oiaohm | Now they have dug a huge waste dump that cannot have anything dumped in it wallclimber | Aug 01 16:20 |
| wallclimber | oiaihm, do you live in the US Southwest? | Aug 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | There was cartoon stuff for babysitting (nanny state) | Aug 01 16:21 |
| wallclimber | just curious | Aug 01 16:21 |
| oiaohm | I live in Australia wallclimber | Aug 01 16:21 |
| It would pop up when you looked at unpatriotic sites. | Aug 01 16:21 | |
| oiaohm | USA tried a lot to get australia to take the waste when they no longer had a dumping location for it. | Aug 01 16:21 |
| might have told you to go outside | Aug 01 16:21 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: in CHina, pr0n too is unpatriotic | Aug 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Not just political views | Aug 01 16:21 |
| big brother's love is jealous | Aug 01 16:22 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they use Africa now | Aug 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | They rely on ignorance too when they ship their 'gifts' over | Aug 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Toxic waste like that found in CRTs and old computers | Aug 01 16:22 |
| wallclimber | oiaohm, you should come visit us, we're kind of like a mini-Australia | Aug 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | The mercury leaks and the rest decomposes in the ground, later to ripple and percolate its way to local lakes used by villagers | Aug 01 16:23 |
| wallclimber | here in the Southwest | Aug 01 16:23 |
| Xarver | Hey guys do you have any open source project ideas? I want to learn wxPython and make something nice. :) | Aug 01 16:24 |
| Xarver | brb brushing teeth | Aug 01 16:24 |
| Xarver | and going to bathroom | Aug 01 16:24 |
| wallclimber | TMI! | Aug 01 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Not really wallclimber use some Australian slang and the USA people just don't get it. | Aug 01 16:24 |
| oiaohm | We even have problems at times with other australians and local slang. | Aug 01 16:24 |
| wallclimber | I meant geography, not people - :) | Aug 01 16:25 |
| wallclimber | if you visit, just be very quiet :) | Aug 01 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Australia has majorally different geography. | Aug 01 16:25 |
| oiaohm | I personally like the rain forest sections. | Aug 01 16:26 |
| wallclimber | okay, never mind :) | Aug 01 16:26 |
| oiaohm | In desert the areas with under ground housing. | Aug 01 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Do you have any of that over there. | Aug 01 16:27 |
| busted. chain of email reveals how government lies when caught in uncomfortable situation. so premeditated http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/31/air.force.one/ | Aug 01 16:27 | |
| oiaohm | Its very nice. Depth into ground sets room temp. | Aug 01 16:27 |
| wallclimber | there's no way we could possibly have anything to compare | Aug 01 16:27 |
| wallclimber | :) | Aug 01 16:27 |
| coordinated, and targeting web comments | Aug 01 16:27 | |
| schestowitz | Coool: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Microsoft_Sins | Aug 01 16:28 |
| schestowitz | The extension works gracefully now | Aug 01 16:28 |
| Xarver | so any open source ideas that can be done with wxpython? | Aug 01 16:28 |
| schestowitz | ping fewa | Aug 01 16:28 |
| -> while the White House, the military and numerous federal and local government agencies coordinated the flight, the federal government demanded secrecy, preparing a news release that was to be distributed only if there were media inquiries. ... "We...need to construct some sort of timeline on when folks became aware of it if that is possible," one Air Force official wrote, responding to the public interest." | Aug 01 16:29 | |
| they have a funny way of spelling public outrage | Aug 01 16:29 | |
| schestowitz | I got something interesting regarding that this morning | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | SOme person who read BN wrote: | Aug 01 16:30 |
| Holy crap -> "No positive spin is possible. Admit mistake," it concludes. | Aug 01 16:30 | |
| schestowitz | I just noticed an interesting article in a French blog called "Les corbeaux de Wikipedia" (The crows of Wikipedia). It is mainly about how the French government has been involved in sanitising Wikipedia articles which it regards as sensitive. Of course, this phenomenon extends well beyond the French government: | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Les corbeaux de Wikipedia | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | http://bugbrother.blog.lemonde.fr/2009/07/31/les-corbeaux-de-wikipedia/ | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | --- begin French --- | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Le FBI, la CIA, l’église de Scientologie, Al-Jazeera, les gouvernements américains, turcs et israéliens, Exxon, Disney, Fox News… depuis des années, des centaines d’organismes publics et entreprises privées ont, discrètement, rectifié ce qui, dans Wikipedia, ne leur convenait pas. Sauf que l’anonymat, sur l’Internet, ça n’existe pas (voir encadré). | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | --- end French --- | Aug 01 16:30 |
| It's like they have a flow chart for lying. | Aug 01 16:30 | |
| schestowitz | "--- begin English --- | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | The FBI, the CIA, the church of Scientology, Al-Jazeera, Exxon, Disney, Fox News, the governments of the USA, Turkey, and Israel ... for some years, hundreds of public bodies and private enterprises have, discretely, rectified that which, in Wikipedia, was not suitable for them. Except that anonymity, on the Internet, does not exist (or rather, it's limited.) | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | --- end English ---" | Aug 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | "It also includes some resources in English: | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | wikiscanner : http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/ | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | best of the WikiWatch : http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/tag/wikiwatch/ | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | I briefly tried the Wikiscanner and, while I wasn't able to find some of the most infamous handles, I was readily able to find many edits which came from, for instance, Microsoft. " | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | "On other Wikipedia news, it looks like today the discussion on whether to ban the "hAl" user from any Microsoft-related topics was closed, but not resolved. | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:OpenDocument#Possible_conflict_of_interest | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_33#hAl_Microsoft_Topic_Ban | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | The Wikipedia person who closed the discussion recommended that, if anyone wanted to carry it further, they should request arbitration." | Aug 01 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Coober Pedy australia if you even get there wallclimber you have to stay in some of the underground accomodation and visit the grave yard to see the one guys grave stone is a beer keg. | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, there's a procedure | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | With a fallback that's a good-looking lady coming to do some PR and apologise | Aug 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | WHen there's no proper excuse left | Aug 01 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Like poisonous milk | Aug 01 16:32 |
| RMS pointed to an Airforce web monitoring flow chart. | Aug 01 16:32 | |
| schestowitz | Or Windows Vista | Aug 01 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Meh. NewsGator Passes Million-Enterprise-User Milestone and Deepens Relationship With Microsoft < http://www.newsgator.com/companyinfo/press/archive.aspx?post=191 > | Aug 01 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Is that something worth PR in their eyes? | Aug 01 16:33 |
| schestowitz | News+Microsoft=Swne, Nswe or whatever | Aug 01 16:33 |
| schestowitz | NBC=General Electric, Microsoft, Pentagon, other interests.. | Aug 01 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | "Hey, CHuck, we sure make lots of fridges and stuff. How about we start... a NEWS venture...?" | Aug 01 16:34 |
| schestowitz | That's how media is run in the US but in other countries too | Aug 01 16:34 |
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| ugh. FCC pretends to watch out for wireless consumers -> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/01/AR2009080101074.html | Aug 01 16:35 | |
| schestowitz | Those with the money get to run the news (= information/misinformation) | Aug 01 16:35 |
| schestowitz | FCC has Microsoft as MD now | Aug 01 16:35 |
| yes, I used the word "consumer" to mock the effort | Aug 01 16:35 | |
| wallclimber | I've often wondered how a person "consumes" software... | Aug 01 16:36 |
| They attack iPhone for rejecting Google voice app. A choice of masters does not equal freedom. | Aug 01 16:36 | |
| schestowitz | The paranoid in me will say that Microsoft does not like Iphone, so a former Microsofter running the FTC might receive some calls from Redmond. | Aug 01 16:36 |
| schestowitz | *FCC | Aug 01 16:36 |
| schestowitz | (typo) | Aug 01 16:36 |
| that's not paranoia, it's using your memory | Aug 01 16:37 | |
| schestowitz | I can't help: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/20/microsoft-fcc-steven-vanroekel/ | Aug 01 16:37 |
| the triviality of the issue here only highlights how non free the US cell phone market is. | Aug 01 16:37 | |
| schestowitz | FTC was run by Deborah Majoras | Aug 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | They took her from indurty.. | Aug 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | To ;'watch' industry | Aug 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | She's in P&G now | Aug 01 16:38 |
| schestowitz | They should stop taking people to government _from industry_ | Aug 01 16:38 |
| M$ loves it when they can start a messy legal and regulatory battle between M$ competitors. | Aug 01 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | They make the government just... well,, INDUSTRY | Aug 01 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Barnett from the DOJ used to work for Microsoft | Aug 01 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Now he's attacking Google from the US DOJ | Aug 01 16:38 |
| The level of M$ corruption in US DOJ is apparent enough. | Aug 01 16:39 | |
| Thank you for keeping track of people. That helps make the case. | Aug 01 16:39 | |
| -> The iPhone needs to be smashed open, and the FCC is swinging the hammer. | Aug 01 16:41 | |
| but Windows Mobile and other non free platforms are AOK? | Aug 01 16:42 | |
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| It would be a good start to be able to use any device for cell phone service. OpenMoko comes to mind. | Aug 01 16:43 | |
| The real point of freedom, however, has to be Open Spectrum. | Aug 01 16:44 | |
| The FCC justifies it's existence with trivialities. | Aug 01 16:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @anon34bo65f: I want to see a 4chan vs. China heavyweight trolling bout. | Aug 01 16:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: I need your help (NeduaWiki). Could you pop into IRC, please? | Aug 01 16:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Debian Lenny tip: If you absolutely, positively need to make Iceweasel appear as Firefox < http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/07/debian-lenny-tip-if-you-absolu.html > | Aug 01 17:01 |
| DavidGerard | schestowitz: you pinged? | Aug 01 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Hey, David! | Aug 01 17:01 |
| DavidGerard | i am sorta busy but sorta here :-) | Aug 01 17:01 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: BTW, all your twits end up in IRC | Aug 01 17:01 |
| schestowitz | You've not been here recently | Aug 01 17:01 |
| DavidGerard | (kid had flu, now her mum has flu) | Aug 01 17:01 |
| DavidGerard | nope | Aug 01 17:01 |
| DavidGerard | life is BUSY | Aug 01 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I know, sorry. | Aug 01 17:02 |
| DavidGerard | and i'm not even employed yet | Aug 01 17:02 |
| DavidGerard | brb! | Aug 01 17:02 |
| schestowitz | OK.. | Aug 01 17:02 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: here's the short story (should be simple). WikiMedia SVN had issues for week, and that's finally resolved. So I got the Cite Extension (the one which does references) and it worked perfectly. The following page worked nicely: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Microsoft_Sins | Aug 01 17:04 |
| DavidGerard | mmm | Aug 01 17:05 |
| schestowitz | The all the references were displayed correctly after I had installed the extension. Then, when I tried the first edit after it had been installed it gave a blank page when trying to submit pages. Turns out it hates "{{reflist|2}}" at the bottom. If I remove it, then it accepts the change, but otherwise it won't accept it. Worked fine before... | Aug 01 17:05 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: Sorry to bother you about this, thought yuo maybe came accros this and had pointers to offer | Aug 01 17:06 |
| schestowitz | *Across | Aug 01 17:06 |
| DavidGerard | hmm | Aug 01 17:06 |
| schestowitz | In retrospect I should have just left it alone without edits. If I try to trackback to the initial version it won't work, either. Maybe too much candy?? :-D | Aug 01 17:06 |
| DavidGerard | do you have ParserFunctions installed and enabled? template:reflist uses them | Aug 01 17:07 |
| DavidGerard | alternately, just put <references /> in the ==References== section for a fairly plain list of them | Aug 01 17:07 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: yes | Aug 01 17:07 |
| schestowitz | "require_once( "$IP/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php" );" | Aug 01 17:07 |
| schestowitz | From my settings file | Aug 01 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Aug 01 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Let's try it | Aug 01 17:08 |
| DavidGerard | i just added it :-) | Aug 01 17:08 |
| DavidGerard | and now the refs show | Aug 01 17:08 |
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| DavidGerard | {{reflist}} is a way to make them show up in columns of small print | Aug 01 17:08 |
| schestowitz | <references>{{reflist|2}}</references > ? | Aug 01 17:08 |
| DavidGerard | it's eye candy | Aug 01 17:08 |
| DavidGerard | no, look at the wikitext | Aug 01 17:08 |
| DavidGerard | <cite> is the tag for a citation, <references /> makes all the references in <cite>s show up | Aug 01 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Ahhh... | Aug 01 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Let me try | Aug 01 17:09 |
| DavidGerard | it's not quite html as we know it. actually, it's weirdly horrible and complicated. | Aug 01 17:09 |
| DavidGerard | i.e. it's mediawiki wikitext | Aug 01 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Just tried it and it gave the same blank page | Aug 01 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I inserted <references /> | Aug 01 17:10 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: yeah, Wiki syntax in this is confusing. Mishmash of them... :-) | Aug 01 17:10 |
| schestowitz | What baffles me is that it worked OK before any edits were made | Aug 01 17:10 |
| DavidGerard | i just tried it and it gave me the blank page, then I tried again and the page worked on reload | Aug 01 17:10 |
| DavidGerard | there's something weird wrong there and i don't know what | Aug 01 17:11 |
| schestowitz | It's as though editing the page with the calls for refs to be generated that causes the issue | Aug 01 17:11 |
| DavidGerard | i suggest emailing wikimedia-l :-) | Aug 01 17:11 |
| DavidGerard | usually you get a blank page when php is upset | Aug 01 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Sorry for bothering you, DavidGerard :-) | Aug 01 17:11 |
| DavidGerard | that's fine :-) | Aug 01 17:11 |
| DavidGerard | i do suggest you write it up and email mediawiki-l ... where's the page for it | Aug 01 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Ah! | Aug 01 17:12 |
| schestowitz | It works if I just reload! :-) | Aug 01 17:12 |
| schestowitz | I think you've cracked it, Sir! | Aug 01 17:12 |
| DavidGerard | https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l | Aug 01 17:12 |
| DavidGerard | it's still not ideal, it shouldn't do that | Aug 01 17:12 |
| DavidGerard | mediawiki-l is the list for third-party users of mediawiki | Aug 01 17:12 |
| DavidGerard | there's also mwusers.org, a forum | Aug 01 17:12 |
| DavidGerard | i favour mediawiki-l because i know the devs read it :-) | Aug 01 17:13 |
| schestowitz | See it now: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_Microsoft_Sins | Aug 01 17:13 |
| DavidGerard | ParserFunctions is a separate extension that enables a whole complicated template language - look at the source of {{reflist}} | Aug 01 17:13 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: yes, that's why I installed it | Aug 01 17:14 |
| DavidGerard | it's at the confluence of domain-specific programming languages and turing tarpits ;-) | Aug 01 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Someone asked me to put it there. | Aug 01 17:14 |
| DavidGerard | did you? hmm | Aug 01 17:14 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: must be conflict in parsers | Aug 01 17:14 |
| DavidGerard | it lets you do cool things and that's the only reason people put up with it | Aug 01 17:14 |
| DavidGerard | then it's def time to ask mediawiki-l :-) | Aug 01 17:14 |
| DavidGerard | parserfunctions language is ... amazingly horrible | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | it's like brainf*ck with braces | Aug 01 17:15 |
| schestowitz | You warned me abouit candy | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | the devs are in serious discussion about replacing it with something that isn't horrible | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | :-D | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | lol | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | ys | Aug 01 17:15 |
| schestowitz | So every time I installed extensions now I fret | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | yes | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | GOOD! | Aug 01 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Upgrades of MediaWiki must make it worse | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | take care with them ;-) | Aug 01 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Then it's not backward compatible | Aug 01 17:15 |
| DavidGerard | depends | Aug 01 17:15 |
| schestowitz | And neither are the pages, obviously | Aug 01 17:16 |
| DavidGerard | popular extensions get upgraded | Aug 01 17:16 |
| DavidGerard | less popular ones may not | Aug 01 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Aug 01 17:16 |
| DavidGerard | sometimes stuff will break, sometimes it won't | Aug 01 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I use a cross-cite one in WordPress | Aug 01 17:16 |
| DavidGerard | mm | Aug 01 17:16 |
| schestowitz | If it ceased working the site would be a mess | Aug 01 17:16 |
| DavidGerard | the most popular extensions tend to get hosting on wikimedia's svn | Aug 01 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, when it works | Aug 01 17:16 |
| DavidGerard | i.e. an author can basically ask for commit bit for extensions | Aug 01 17:16 |
| schestowitz | SVN was down for me for over 2 weeks | Aug 01 17:16 |
| DavidGerard | there is that! | Aug 01 17:17 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 01 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Well, I'm happy that it works now | Aug 01 17:17 |
| DavidGerard | good :-) | Aug 01 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I think you know BTW that everything you Twit comes here to IRC | Aug 01 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Try it | Aug 01 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Twit something | Aug 01 17:17 |
| DavidGerard | it still shouldn't do that blank page, that means something is in fact wrong | Aug 01 17:17 |
| DavidGerard | hm | Aug 01 17:17 |
| schestowitz | It pols every 60 secs | Aug 01 17:17 |
| schestowitz | *polls | Aug 01 17:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] test tweet for @schestowitz | Aug 01 17:18 | |
| DavidGerard | :-O oh good lord! | Aug 01 17:19 |
| DavidGerard | heee | Aug 01 17:19 |
| DavidGerard | who else is on the tweet auto-irc list? | Aug 01 17:19 |
| DavidGerard | how was that set up? | Aug 01 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 01 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Been like this for months | Aug 01 17:19 |
| DavidGerard | (I have no problem with my tweets going everywhere, just surprised) | Aug 01 17:19 |
| schestowitz | It uses twitfolk, which is a very experimental perl script | Aug 01 17:19 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: most people know about it. There's about 15 of us who attend IRC and also use identica/twitter | Aug 01 17:20 |
| DavidGerard | fine by me :-) | Aug 01 17:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard waves at test message | Aug 01 17:20 | |
| DavidGerard | i just don't use irc much any more cos it's such a time suck | Aug 01 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well... it's a good old protocol | Aug 01 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Skype may be on its deathbed | Aug 01 17:20 |
| DavidGerard | mmm | Aug 01 17:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/skype_shutdown_where_are_free_software_and_free_protocols | Aug 01 17:21 |
| schestowitz | SIP time :-) | Aug 01 17:21 |
| DavidGerard | i always wondered at the idea of skype | Aug 01 17:21 |
| schestowitz | They could charge for it | Aug 01 17:21 |
| DavidGerard | it sounded like someone drunkenly took buzzword bingo seriously | Aug 01 17:21 |
| schestowitz | People would pay | Aug 01 17:21 |
| DavidGerard | "let's synergise our p2p wth VoIP!" | Aug 01 17:21 |
| DavidGerard | nah, they'd go to talk over yahoo or msn or gtalk | Aug 01 17:22 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: how's that Polish news? | Aug 01 17:22 |
| DavidGerard | which are different in that they don't have this weird p2p structure | Aug 01 17:22 |
| schestowitz | It's a bad time for everyone, I bet | Aug 01 17:22 |
| DavidGerard | polish news? | Aug 01 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Sirius is hiring | Aug 01 17:22 |
| schestowitz | They do FS | Aug 01 17:22 |
| schestowitz | They deploy a lot of stuff you're familiar with and expanding | Aug 01 17:23 |
| DavidGerard | i will work in poland if they pay me in pounds and i can work from home in london! | Aug 01 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well.. it's usuallty the opposite | Aug 01 17:23 |
| DavidGerard | i've been interviewing at a lot of media companies (that i won't name on a public channel) | Aug 01 17:23 |
| schestowitz | I have some friends who are Polish and they work here... not the other way around | Aug 01 17:23 |
| DavidGerard | basically, having worked in broadcast, just keeping a website up 24/7 is so much less demanding | Aug 01 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I see..... | Aug 01 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia was a good gig... also contributing to society, not just someone's pocket | Aug 01 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Freda could get a job as an oracle | Aug 01 17:25 |
| DavidGerard | hee | Aug 01 17:25 |
| schestowitz | "His name is... Linux" | Aug 01 17:25 |
| DavidGerard | i would loooove to work for wikimedia, but they really can't afford to pay me what i need! | Aug 01 17:26 |
| schestowitz | (*her) | Aug 01 17:26 |
| DavidGerard | so i work for them free instead | Aug 01 17:26 |
| DavidGerard | (i'm sure that makes sense) | Aug 01 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well.. compromises, I guess. | Aug 01 17:26 |
| DavidGerard | it's all volunteers, the paid staff are very few indeed - ~30 paid staff, >100k volunteers | Aug 01 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Some people make big money harming society | Aug 01 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Some live more humbly actually helping society | Aug 01 17:27 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I still manage to work voluntarily a lot | Aug 01 17:27 |
| schestowitz | I've had regular jobs for over 10 years | Aug 01 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Like Wikipedia, it's a case of doing a hobby.. that's what life's about | Aug 01 17:28 |
| schestowitz | RMS still does his 'hobby' since he worked at MIT... and he gets enough to pay the bills and fly coach to give talks. | Aug 01 17:29 |
| schestowitz | SOme people whom I know that work in charity are the same | Aug 01 17:29 |
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| Omar87 | Hey guys! :D | Aug 01 17:29 |
| schestowitz | New flamebait: Linux is fat: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6811/1/ | Aug 01 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Posted in like 3 sites som far, under different headlines. | Aug 01 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Omar87 | Aug 01 17:30 |
| Omar87 | I just came back from the Petra-Aqaba Firefox trip! I'll show you the images and vidz once they become available! :) | Aug 01 17:30 |
| Omar87 | Actually, it's been a few hours since I go home, but it doesn't matter, does it? :p | Aug 01 17:31 |
| Omar87 | got* | Aug 01 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Firefox trip??? | Aug 01 17:32 |
| Omar87 | Yup! | Aug 01 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Billion-d/w party? | Aug 01 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Cool. There are no events for it here, AFAIK | Aug 01 17:32 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: We, the Firefox and Open Source groups in Jordan (specifically Jordan University for Science and Technology) have planned a trip to Petra under the name of Firefox. | Aug 01 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Nice! | Aug 01 17:34 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I've just read this: Iraq in throes of environmental catastrophe, experts say < http://uruknet.de/?p=m56515&hd=&size=1&l=e > | Aug 01 17:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: We thought it would be a great celebration of the new release. :) | Aug 01 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I hadn't realise there are weather conditions like that in summer | Aug 01 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, but it's merely a milestone and reason for celebration (Firefox downloads) | Aug 01 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Firefox changed the Web by enforcing standards | Aug 01 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Back in 2003 I struggled with Linux on the Web because some sites didn't properly support Konqueror | Aug 01 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Years later it was a totally different story.. I moved from Mozilla to Firefox around 2004 IIRC | Aug 01 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla 1.6 it was | Aug 01 17:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Exactly, it was just a nice and humble contribution from the Firefox fans in Jordan. | Aug 01 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Or 1.7... on SuSE 8.1 | Aug 01 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: do government sites support all browsers? | Aug 01 17:36 |
| schestowitz | In SA and Portugal there's some ActiveX poison in citizens' sites | Aug 01 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK it's mostly sorted out by now. No access/browsing issues. So I've not needed Windows for years | Aug 01 17:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Unfortunately, most of the Government's websites are built in .NET.. and.. you know the rest. :) | Aug 01 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: well, that may change | Aug 01 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Europe and South America make the move | Aug 01 17:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I hope so. | Aug 01 17:38 |
| schestowitz | East Asia is willing but slow. Russia is also moving. | Aug 01 17:38 |
| People accuse me of being a tool. It's all lies! LOL -> schestowitz: DavidGerard: most people know about it. There's about 15 of us who attend IRC and also use identica/twitter | Aug 01 17:38 | |
| schestowitz | Jordan is like UK... a lover of Microsoft | Aug 01 17:39 |
| There is a lot of FUD about Skype out there. | Aug 01 17:39 | |
| I pointed to some of it last night. | Aug 01 17:39 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, but either way I want to leave it | Aug 01 17:39 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Aug 01 17:39 |
| a relative tells me it was plastered in Drudge Report | Aug 01 17:39 | |
| schestowitz | I want to have a reasont o get people off it | Aug 01 17:39 |
| schestowitz | So that I can | Aug 01 17:39 |
| schestowitz | If I can say to family, here... move to SIP now, then I can drop Skype | Aug 01 17:40 |
| schestowitz | It's a resource hog... preallocates about 100MB of RAM | Aug 01 17:40 |
| Do you have a SIP client that works from end to end? | Aug 01 17:40 | |
| schestowitz | There are many | Aug 01 17:40 |
| I've had problems with Ekiga. | Aug 01 17:40 | |
| schestowitz | I don't care for video anyway | Aug 01 17:40 |
| schestowitz | VIdeo is stupid | Aug 01 17:40 |
| schestowitz | For communication anyway | Aug 01 17:40 |
| Video is NOT stupid. | Aug 01 17:40 | |
| schestowitz | I usually read or type while talking anyway | Aug 01 17:41 |
| schestowitz | twitter: to some people it ain't | Aug 01 17:41 |
| I'm half way across the country from my 3 year old girl. | Aug 01 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | I also need a newer kernel for my old Webcam to work | Aug 01 17:41 |
| I can tell you how important video is to her. | Aug 01 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: Ah, that's right | Aug 01 17:41 |
| schestowitz | I thought you had brought the family | Aug 01 17:41 |
| nope, not yet | Aug 01 17:41 | |
| this gig might only last six months. | Aug 01 17:42 | |
| schestowitz | The usual | Aug 01 17:42 |
| schestowitz | These days worker rights are gutter | Aug 01 17:42 |
| schestowitz | So obligations to people are nullified | Aug 01 17:42 |
| schestowitz | And they can use offshoring to extort and negotiate | Aug 01 17:42 |
| If you have a good SIP client that works end to end, I'd love to know about it. | Aug 01 17:42 | |
| schestowitz | Stagnation in salaries, visas, and all that stuff known and marketed as globalisation | Aug 01 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I know some very good videos that explain this in context | Aug 01 17:43 |
| None of the clients in Lenny have worked for me so far, or at least with Astrisks out of the box. | Aug 01 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | Tyrannical entities using the system to suit themselves while as a technowaffle/afterthought marketing this as the public's intrests | Aug 01 17:43 |
| Fooling around with asterisks config files did not help. | Aug 01 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | If SIP clients are inferior I'm willing to cope with it | Aug 01 17:44 |
| I can get Ekiga to see and connect, but I can't get video. | Aug 01 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | Skype needs to be reformed or replaced in some ways. They let in the Chinese govt. (For text0 | Aug 01 17:44 |
| schestowitz | BTW: did you see http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/yes_linus_microsoft_hating_disease_and_its_pandemic / | Aug 01 17:45 |
| EEE PC 701SD is hostile to Ekiga, so I don't have two computers to work things out with. | Aug 01 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | I used to be using Wikis a lot more to communicate | Aug 01 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Now I just do audio.... choose another medium maybe | Aug 01 17:46 |
| There are barriers to free video phones at every level. The devices are hostile, software patents stand in the way, Cisco mangles packet headers, ISPs block competitors. | Aug 01 17:46 | |
| and free video phones are a killer feature that GNU/Linux should be rocking with. | Aug 01 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | it does | Aug 01 17:47 |
| Skype is a software patent offender, but their client works with GNU/Linux out of the box. | Aug 01 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | Just not the FS side | Aug 01 17:47 |
| Well, that's a crime. | Aug 01 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | Although it;'s possible to get up and running with the right h/w | Aug 01 17:47 |
| schestowitz | It can be preinstalled, too | Aug 01 17:47 |
| Did you konw that Skype has more than twice as many users as Facebook does? | Aug 01 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | Facebooks is junk | Aug 01 17:48 |
| schestowitz | The kids love it | Aug 01 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I see how my sister uses it... far too much time spent | Aug 01 17:48 |
| trmanco | it's not junk | Aug 01 17:48 |
| schestowitz | They do what they call "games' | Aug 01 17:48 |
| schestowitz | ANd "socialising" | Aug 01 17:48 |
| schestowitz | And listen to this thing called "music | Aug 01 17:48 |
| Facebook is junk. Something tells me that threatening Facebook would make more trouble than killing Skype. | Aug 01 17:48 | |
| trmanco | I actually focus with experiments on it's interface | Aug 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | And spend time doing that thing called "homework" (part indoctrination and training) | Aug 01 17:49 |
| trmanco | it's a great piece of design | Aug 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I saw how it goes | Aug 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | It's not a Facebook problem | Aug 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | It's another problem | Aug 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Like SMS culture | Aug 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't harm language, unlike FUD that indicates so | Aug 01 17:49 |
| Social networks should not have owners. | Aug 01 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | But it mobilises kids | Aug 01 17:50 |
| trmanco | "Hi how r u?" | Aug 01 17:50 |
| schestowitz | And it makes them socially inapt | Aug 01 17:50 |
| schestowitz | They exchange small sequences of thumb-driven chars with banal messages | Aug 01 17:50 |
| More communications are better than less. | Aug 01 17:50 | |
| banal or not, this is how we learn | Aug 01 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: "me OK, & u?" | Aug 01 17:50 |
| OK & u | Aug 01 17:51 | |
| me was waste of type | Aug 01 17:51 | |
| K & u | Aug 01 17:51 | |
| *schestowitz gtg 2 fb 2 find gf lolz | Aug 01 17:51 | |
| the form is less important than the meaning. | Aug 01 17:51 | |
| communications build tolerance for others. | Aug 01 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I know | Aug 01 17:51 |
| schestowitz | It's interesting to see how people perceive the Web | Aug 01 17:52 |
| schestowitz | To some, FB is like the gateway, not GOogle | Aug 01 17:52 |
| media giants hate the web | Aug 01 17:52 | |
| schestowitz | To others it's a portal like that one I made in 2002 and I saw others following a similar path | Aug 01 17:52 |
| schestowitz | twitter: they adapt | Aug 01 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch got 'hip' | Aug 01 17:52 |
| schestowitz | He bought MYSpace *LOLZ* | Aug 01 17:52 |
| most negative perceptions come from media defending their gatekeeper status | Aug 01 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | Murduch uber-social-ist | Aug 01 17:53 |
| they seek to control by ownership | Aug 01 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | After Murdoch bought them they collapsed | Aug 01 17:53 |
| schestowitz | The kids move to FB | Aug 01 17:53 |
| freedom terrifies them | Aug 01 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | And MySpace has wave after wave of layoffs now | Aug 01 17:53 |
| schestowitz | WSJ is the same | Aug 01 17:53 |
| FB is owned by M$ in part | Aug 01 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | The paygates don't help | Aug 01 17:53 |
| Also monitored by big dumb companies. | Aug 01 17:54 | |
| social networks should be distributed so that people can maintain their privacy and dignity | Aug 01 17:54 | |
| FB collects too much power. | Aug 01 17:55 | |
| schestowitz | U.S. back-to-school; Wal-Mart woos laptop shoppers < http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE56M10X20090723 > | Aug 01 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Have Red-Mart taken over the Republic yet? | Aug 01 17:56 |
| There's no reason for free software SIP phones to suck. ogg and theora are just as good or better than non free codecs | Aug 01 17:57 | |
| schestowitz | For a change, Paul Meller wrote about Microsoft antitrust without quoting Microsoft front groups: http://www.pcworld.com/article/169041/microsofts_eu_offer_gets_cautious_welcome_from_rivals.html | Aug 01 17:58 |
| I'm stunned that Ekiga did not work out of the box for me. | Aug 01 17:58 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: they need users | Aug 01 17:58 |
| I don't need users. | Aug 01 17:59 | |
| schestowitz | That's why Skype problems may be OK news (from my selfish view as a FS advocate) | Aug 01 17:59 |
| by running my own Astricks server, I can add anyone that I want. | Aug 01 17:59 | |
| schestowitz | Skype needing replacement is good for SIP and FS | Aug 01 17:59 |
| That part is really easy. | Aug 01 17:59 | |
| It's not good for free software if software patents stand in the way. | Aug 01 18:00 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: tessier runs Asterisk on his server and sets that up for clients | Aug 01 18:00 |
| schestowitz | No s/w patents here. | Aug 01 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Bar Nokia | Aug 01 18:00 |
| Well, I'd love to have some advice from him. | Aug 01 18:00 | |
| There are lots of software patents on video and voice codecs | Aug 01 18:00 | |
| and the whole problem with Skype is one of software patents. The owner is messing with EBay over it. | Aug 01 18:01 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10123666@N07/3777770211/ | Aug 01 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Spinvox Tries To Patent Dictation? http://techdirt.com/articles/20090731/0301435724.shtml | Aug 01 18:01 |
| The death of Skype has only one winner, M$ | Aug 01 18:01 | |
| schestowitz | Method of providing voicemails to a wireless information device http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1="20060223502".PGNR.&OS=DN/20060223502&RS=DN/20060223502 | Aug 01 18:01 |
| schestowitz | twitter: they do SIP? | Aug 01 18:01 |
| They get to deny GNU/Linux users of a killer feature and parade patent FUD around. | Aug 01 18:01 | |
| schestowitz | Their Comms Server is lost | Aug 01 18:01 |
| M$ invented SIP, from what I recall. | Aug 01 18:01 | |
| schestowitz | And they killed Response Unit or whatever it's called | Aug 01 18:02 |
| Ekiga is Gnome Meeting which was an imitation of Net Meeting. | Aug 01 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: nice! | Aug 01 18:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: ;) | Aug 01 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Sql Alchemist... good nym | Aug 01 18:03 |
| The real M$ victory, though, is to deny GNU/Linux users of something that they claim is easy on Winblows. | Aug 01 18:03 | |
| Omar87 | lol | Aug 01 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw RSS feeds are still broken | Aug 01 18:03 |
| People have been chatting with web cams for more than a decade. It's always been a huge pain in the ass on Winblows. | Aug 01 18:03 | |
| schestowitz | Not really | Aug 01 18:04 |
| schestowitz | MSN Messenger is used by some | Aug 01 18:04 |
| schestowitz | There are Flash-based clients | Aug 01 18:04 |
| schestowitz | With Webcams | Aug 01 18:04 |
| It always sucked, like all things Winblows. | Aug 01 18:04 | |
| The flash based clients, like those used by Yahoo and Google are very recent next to SIP. | Aug 01 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft innovates Apple... http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/24/microsoft_stores_to_mimic_apples_with_guru_bars.html | Aug 01 18:05 |
| but it's all hugely stupid and redundant. | Aug 01 18:05 | |
| Clients should just work. It should not be hard. | Aug 01 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | No, Flash based ones I used as early as 2003 | Aug 01 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Drop-in for sites... with Webcams | Aug 01 18:05 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: lol, And there's still more photos (and vidz) to come. ;) | Aug 01 18:05 |
| I watched people doing things like that in 1998. | Aug 01 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: if you have Ogg videos, tell me the URL and I'll put it at the bottom of DaIly Links as <video> | Aug 01 18:06 |
| My oldest webcam is from that time period and it required net meeting, which never worked for me. | Aug 01 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | Wall Street Goes to War < http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0803/iraq-afghanistan-obama-wall-street-goes-to-war.html?partner=contextstory > | Aug 01 18:07 |
| net meeting failed, even though I had both cable modem and DSL, both wide open at the time. | Aug 01 18:07 | |
| Video is a long running failure for M$. | Aug 01 18:07 | |
| schestowitz | "The battle for wartime profits is waged in the boardroom. Inside the most lucrative--and the ugliest--deal of the Iraq and Afghan wars." | Aug 01 18:07 |
| Skype dominates based on the failure of others. | Aug 01 18:07 | |
| schestowitz | A friend told em his hypothesis today that London still controls a lot of the world's finances | Aug 01 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Which I doubt | Aug 01 18:07 |
| must be on the secret gold standard | Aug 01 18:08 | |
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| schestowitz | He hypothesises that wars involve use of nationality (patriotism) or religion to engage a mass/public in wars that add to the pockets of the elite class | Aug 01 18:08 |
| schestowitz | That is more or less established fact for _SOME_ wars, but not all | Aug 01 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street loves wars, I guess. | Aug 01 18:08 |
| schestowitz | It 'drives the market'... like a tank] | Aug 01 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Production and destruction = cycle of trade | Aug 01 18:09 |
| My hunch is that software patents stand in the way of decent, easy to use free software video phones. | Aug 01 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | Bogus Textron, Harmon Bids Fueled ‘Suspicious’ Trades < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ayQQjjPCwUXU > | Aug 01 18:09 |
| Stupid stuff like "one click shopping" | Aug 01 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Bogus takeover bids for Textron Inc. and Harman International Industries Inc. reaped more than $5 million for a Kuwait-based financier and firms who placed “highly profitable and suspicious” bets beforehand, U.S. regulators said in a lawsuit targeting the traders....The SEC can sue people for making bogus bids to manipulate stock prices." | Aug 01 18:10 |
| schestowitz | twitter: maybe it's only 'defensive" | Aug 01 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Like h-bomb warheads are | Aug 01 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Amazon wants to scare rivals | Aug 01 18:10 |
| schestowitz | With junk patents | Aug 01 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Amazon: where eShopping ws invented, supposedly. | Aug 01 18:11 |
| schestowitz | IBM sticks to the same spiel with Internet patents | Aug 01 18:11 |
| This kind of scare stops distros like Debian cold. | Aug 01 18:11 | |
| the scare is based on a real legal threat | Aug 01 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202432536214&Wachovia_BofA_Citibank_Sued_Over_BadFaith_Overdraft_Fees 'So far, Wachovia, Bank of America and Citibank have been named as defendants in the lawsuits, and plaintiffs attorneys expect other financial institutions to be brought in."I think what you will see is all of the major banks may be using the same computer program to reorder charges, which is costing consumers around the cou | Aug 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | ntry billions of billions," Alters said. ' | Aug 01 18:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Skype doing some copyright infringement by citing source code it does not own in US patent trials: http://bit.ly/Jo0NX | Aug 01 18:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/pubArticleLT.jsp?id=1202432521686 (Pictures From Public Places Not Private) | Aug 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSLQ34711920090726 "Despite its enormous wealth, Kuwait, which sits on a tenth of global oil reserves, lacks any sort of financial regulator to effectively clamp down on insider trading. It is the only Gulf Arab state where the market -- the second largest Arab bourse -- quasi supervises itself, with plans to set up a financial authority stalled for several years." | Aug 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | SEC Seeks Return of $4 Million in Bonuses, Stock Sale Profits From Former CEO of CSK Auto < http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-167.htm > | Aug 01 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Kuwait financier facing U.S. fraud suit found dead < http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE56P0YD20090726 > | Aug 01 18:16 |
| God, what a flood of FUD. http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=skype | Aug 01 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | "Algosaibi has sued the head of Saad Group in a New York court for fraud in a case involving allegations of $10 billion in loan irregularities." | Aug 01 18:16 |
| heh, I sent you the reordered bank draft story days ago. | Aug 01 18:17 | |
| I think it was a Groklaw news pick. | Aug 01 18:17 | |
| zoobab01 | http://www.iptegrity.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=378&Itemid=9 | Aug 01 18:19 |
| hi zoobab, thanks for the link to the Skype doc | Aug 01 18:22 | |
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| schestowitz | I didn't even notice this one: IBM to Acquire SPSS, Adding to Acquisitions < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124878176796786611.html > | Aug 01 18:23 |
| schestowitz | IBM... just swallows everything when there's a depression | Aug 01 18:23 |
| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 | Aug 01 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Bye, SPSS | Aug 01 18:23 |
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| Who is Net2Phone? | Aug 01 18:24 | |
| ding, ding, ding, it's all about F***ing patents -> Joltid has alleged that Skype should not possess, use or modify certain software source code and that, by doing so, and by disclosing such code in certain U.S. patent cases pursuant to orders from U.S. courts, Skype has breached the license agreement. | Aug 01 18:25 | |
| ! | Aug 01 18:26 | |
| -> Other third parties have from time to time claimed, and others may claim in the future, that we have infringed their intellectual property rights. We are subject to additional patent disputes | Aug 01 18:26 | |
| This is the mess that free software climbs into. | Aug 01 18:26 | |
| Software patents must go. | Aug 01 18:27 | |
| schestowitz | Radio host denies threatening federal judges < http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/07/radio-host-denies-threatening-federal-judges.html > | Aug 01 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Want to use phone? Buy inetlelectual monopolies | Aug 01 18:28 |
| schestowitz | The new 'gold' | Aug 01 18:28 |
| more like desert property | Aug 01 18:28 | |
| a massive fraud. | Aug 01 18:28 | |
| DMCA and other nonsense also feared by Ebay -> We may also become more vulnerable to third-party claims as laws such as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the Lanham Act and the Communications Decency Act are interpreted by the courts, and as we become subject to laws in jurisdictions where the underlying laws with respect to the potential liability of online intermediaries like ourselves are either unclear or less favorable. | Aug 01 18:29 | |
| zoobab01 | EUCD is under consideration for violatuion of free speech: http://www.edri.org/edri-gram/number7.15/finnish-css-echr | Aug 01 18:31 |
| Net2Phone Jumps Into The VoIP Patent Lawsuit Business: Sues Skype -> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080131/001435132.shtml | Aug 01 18:32 | |
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| Will_ | Looks like CentOS may be back on track now: | Aug 01 18:38 |
| Will_ | http://www.centos.org/ | Aug 01 18:38 |
| Will_ | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/01/1443221/CentOS-Administrator-Reappears | Aug 01 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | PJ on Skype: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/biz-tech/shock-threat-to-shut-skype-20090731-e3qe.html "[PJ: I wonder why this threatens to shut it down? It threatens to separate eBay from Skype, but why wouldn't the licensors retain the right to continue with another partner or on their own? eBay didn't build it, after all. They just bought it.] -" | Aug 01 18:40 |
| schestowitz | CentOS got a lot of free publicity, in a way | Aug 01 18:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Erik Josefsson becomes advisor assistant in the European Parliament about the Pirate Party, more time spend on UPLS?: http://bit.ly/dlVrw | Aug 01 18:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Erik Josefsson becomes advisor assistant in the European Parliament for the Pirate Party, more time to be spent on UPLS? http://bit.ly/dlVrw | Aug 01 18:42 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: yes, seen that one about CSS | Aug 01 18:42 |
| zoobab01 | CSS? | Aug 01 18:42 |
| schestowitz | CSS case | Aug 01 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.edri.org/edri-gram/number7.15/finnish-css-echr | Aug 01 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Judge gleeful as Nortel broken up < http://www.thestar.com/world/columnist/article/673200 > | Aug 01 18:46 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: I have a link for you | Aug 01 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Senators See Patent Office Nominee as Possible Ally < http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/07/senators-see-patent-office-nominee-as-possible-ally.html > | Aug 01 18:46 |
| tacone | "why the Swedish Pirate Party might endanger the GPL and much more" -- linux outlaws 104 | Aug 01 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I have a large post on patents coming. I'm mostly relying on DM for links to be used as input, so... | Aug 01 18:47 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, I listened to it | Aug 01 18:47 |
| tacone | i'm afraid of even downloading | Aug 01 18:47 |
| schestowitz | They explained the issue well | Aug 01 18:47 |
| tacone | oh no, just a link to rms | Aug 01 18:47 |
| schestowitz | tacone: downloading is the new "smoking pot" | Aug 01 18:47 |
| tacone | ok, nice | Aug 01 18:47 |
| schestowitz | or "Downloading cocaine" | Aug 01 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3828 (Researchers find insecure BIOS 'rootkit' pre-loaded in laptops 0 | Aug 01 18:49 |
| tacone | schestowitz: http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/28/chicken-little-remix-up/comment-page-1/#comment-865 | Aug 01 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | My thoughts exactly | Aug 01 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It's supposed to serve Mono proponents | Aug 01 18:57 |
| schestowitz | So that they can make the point you have 'choice' | Aug 01 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "Chicken Little" | Aug 01 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... I see a mass exodus from businesses to "Chicken Little" enterprise edition | Aug 01 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Like Kiwi Linux (Ubuntu derivative) took off | Aug 01 18:58 |
| schestowitz | They know how much "included by default" means | Aug 01 18:58 |
| tacone | right. at the same time having a regular mantained non mono remix is better than nothing. | Aug 01 19:01 |
| tacone | dunno. | Aug 01 19:01 |
| tacone | pointing out its existance in a small post without further comments may be a nice thing. | Aug 01 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I did | Aug 01 19:03 |
| schestowitz | See the comments about it | Aug 01 19:03 |
| tacone | url ? | Aug 01 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Latest in BN | Aug 01 19:06 |
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| Omar87 | Hi schestowitz | Aug 01 19:08 |
| Omar87 | Hi all | Aug 01 19:08 |
| tacone | i can't see it | Aug 01 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Aug 01 19:11 |
| schestowitz | tacone: It's in the digest about SUSE Studio | Aug 01 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm waiitng for better stories about it that I can linkt o | Aug 01 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post some Links news, I guess. | Aug 01 19:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Magazine About GNU/Linux and Free Software Debuts http://ping.fm/0xNVm | Aug 01 19:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] First the Anti-Linux Propagandists Mock GNU/Linux, Later They Use It http://ping.fm/5TST9 | Aug 01 19:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Linux Kernel Event Coming to Portland http://ping.fm/YwvfH | Aug 01 19:56 | |
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| Krenso | Hello | Aug 01 19:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Detailed Look at Stellarium http://ping.fm/JnTp6 | Aug 01 19:58 | |
| Krenso | I was talking about mono on #mono | Aug 01 19:59 |
| Krenso | and some guy said: ecma335 is defining things on a per-object basis and thus not extendable, and thus splitting mono will make it unusable for many people. | Aug 01 20:00 |
| Krenso | but he didn't want to talk broader about it now | Aug 01 20:01 |
| wallclimber | Stellarium is great! My grandkids love it | Aug 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I have the memo laid out now | Aug 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | It's posted to the Web, but I need lots of work for context. | Aug 01 20:02 |
| Krenso | It's the first time i hear about this case with ecma and per-object basis | Aug 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | ESR's pages help | Aug 01 20:02 |
| wallclimber | i'm looking for it... | Aug 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | It's the core of Halloween | Aug 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: don't worry about it | Aug 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | But BN will have an exclusive copy of an important document that's spread out there for people to use | Aug 01 20:02 |
| wallclimber | :) | Aug 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: Stellarium looks good, but I never tried it | Aug 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I tried kstar some years ago | Aug 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I watched many astrological vids on YouTube recently | Aug 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | One of the enthusiasts loved Stellarium | Aug 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | He did a little demo I could find | Aug 01 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Many observers of stars seem to be in the mid-west | Aug 01 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Facilities too | Aug 01 20:04 |
| wallclimber | i muddled around with stellarium then showed it to my grandson and he had it doing all kinds of things...very fun | Aug 01 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Educational too | Aug 01 20:04 |
| Krenso | What's intresting, they tell me no to bother about patents. Just focus on applications | Aug 01 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/go-back-to-school-with-linux-part-three | Aug 01 20:04 |
| wallclimber | my youngest son lives in Kansas and the stars are extremely gorgeous on the prairies | Aug 01 20:05 |
| Krenso | that ms has patents on opengl and doesn't sue anybody on it | Aug 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Krenso: the applications are not amazing | Aug 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | SOme are resource hogs | Aug 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | gnome-do is considered necessary | Aug 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | But another issue is API domination | Aug 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | THey don't seem to mind helping Microsoft pollute Linux with Windows APIs | Aug 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | It's alll in the doc I'll post tomorrow | Aug 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Use of APIs against Linux | Aug 01 20:06 |
| Krenso | Gnome-do is definitelly based on non-ecma | Aug 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Banshee too | Aug 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I doubt they care | Aug 01 20:06 |
| Krenso | there is also joel spolsky article about api war from 2004 | Aug 01 20:06 |
| Krenso | Ms wants to be gatekeeper: all virtualization through them, all aplications through them and so on | Aug 01 20:07 |
| Krenso | first xen, now vmware | Aug 01 20:08 |
| Krenso | then red hat bought qumran | Aug 01 20:08 |
| Krenso | When discovered what's going on | Aug 01 20:09 |
| Krenso | with xen | Aug 01 20:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Motorola Enlists Developers for Linux Phones http://ping.fm/yxSp4 | Aug 01 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft now puts its APIs inside Linux | Aug 01 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Hypercalls in hyper0-v | Aug 01 20:09 |
| schestowitz | It's polluting Linux IMHO | Aug 01 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I will write about it romorrow | Aug 01 20:10 |
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| Krenso | Can you tell me more about this hypercalls? | Aug 01 20:10 |
| schestowitz | To get an idea, I suggest you search BN for it | Aug 01 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I link to many good articles on it | Aug 01 20:11 |
| schestowitz | And put it in context (the part which is hostile to Linux and FS... patents and all) | Aug 01 20:11 |
| schestowitz | It's old news | Aug 01 20:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Rallies More GNU/Linux Developers in Asia http://ping.fm/0k1As | Aug 01 20:11 | |
| Krenso | ok | Aug 01 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+hypercalls&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Aug 01 20:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CentOS Team: Majority of Issues Resolved Immediately http://www.centos.org/ | Aug 01 20:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz I wonder if Microsoft tried to get Akamai to use NT/IIS frontends for their own stuff ;-p | Aug 01 20:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Skype an Excellent Lesson in Dangers of Proprietary Software and Ugliness of Software Patents http://ping.fm/DkMi0 | Aug 01 20:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Sunbird 1.0 is Near http://ping.fm/zne2Y , Chrome Gets Themes http://ping.fm/bOiCi | Aug 01 20:21 | |
| ThistleWeb | the Skype thing won't be noticed by most people, it's a shakedown for cash. eBay are trying to sell it AFAIK but it they can't without that licence, so they have no choice but to pay up to keep Skype as a saleable thing | Aug 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | They tried before | Aug 01 20:22 |
| ThistleWeb | they don't want Skype closed because the licence aint paid | Aug 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Who would buy? | Aug 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | And.. would they charge? | Aug 01 20:22 |
| ThistleWeb | they want a cut of the money | Aug 01 20:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Opportunity to Convince White House to Embrace Free Software http://ping.fm/2hhrb | Aug 01 20:22 | |
| ThistleWeb | like most patent shakedowns / agreements, most people won't notice as the companies involved will do their deal under an NDA, announce some PR statement about "closer ties" and the price will shift up to pay the costs of the agreement | Aug 01 20:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Code Rush in the Creative Commons http://ping.fm/LrFBe | Aug 01 20:24 | |
| ThistleWeb | the price rise will just be put down to regular buisness | Aug 01 20:24 |
| ThistleWeb | everyone goes on as if nothing has happened | Aug 01 20:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heise Takes a Look at Latest Eclipse http://ping.fm/6zAMj | Aug 01 20:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] EFF Publishes Advice on Privacy and Anti-Surveillance http://ping.fm/zTLBB | Aug 01 20:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Insanity Goes More Insane - Latest Examples http://ping.fm/zyhor http://ping.fm/PMjmN | Aug 01 20:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amanda Palmer Slams MAFIAA Philosophy http://ping.fm/m1K4h | Aug 01 20:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wolfram|Alpha Claims Ownership of Algorithm Output http://ping.fm/SQF7a | Aug 01 20:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software Patents-hostile People Gain Influence http://ping.fm/yHigH http://ping.fm/6Yg8H | Aug 01 20:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apparent Microsoft Drones Go More Revisionism Against ODF in Wikipedia http://ping.fm/kMIs7 http://ping.fm/93cXN | Aug 01 20:47 | |
| ThistleWeb | wouldn't it be funny if the Skype thing crumbled, and ebay refused to pay up on something which has little value, so Skype disappeared to be replaced by regular sip clients like gizmo, leaving the owners of that one part with nothing | Aug 01 20:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] PSPP Adds Support of OpenDocument Format - ODF http://ping.fm/Cbdmz | Aug 01 20:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Flash Bugs Also Microsoft's Fault http://ping.fm/Gs2ll | Aug 01 20:55 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Aug 01 20:56 |
| schestowitz | ACK | Aug 01 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: why? | Aug 01 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | am I right in thinking it's the codecs the skype thing is over? | Aug 01 20:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Back to "Price Fixing" Mode After Attacking GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/AZvCB | Aug 01 20:57 | |
| ThistleWeb | if so, surely ebay could modify skype and use different codecs, nulifying their claims | Aug 01 20:57 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: ACK just means I received the message | Aug 01 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Aug 01 20:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft-Led FCC Attacks Apple Just Month After Microsoft Appointment http://ping.fm/z8gX1 http://ping.fm/BLSDZ | Aug 01 20:59 | |
| ThistleWeb | Apple ain't exactly an innocent target though | Aug 01 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | they deserve a good probing | Aug 01 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | even if the timing is suspicious | Aug 01 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | the FCC would have more credibility if they dealt with MS properly though | Aug 01 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I know | Aug 01 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm not defending Apple | Aug 01 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I don't think the MSFT person played much of a role either | Aug 01 21:17 |
| schestowitz | But it is important to bear that in mind, IMHO. | Aug 01 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Some E-mails I received about it saw it coming. | Aug 01 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | unfortunately plenty of companies really need to be probed by the FCC and their EU counterparts, including MS | Aug 01 21:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard I have a good memo about it: http://bit.ly/maf7Y | Aug 01 21:19 | |
| ThistleWeb | only so many hours in the day and so many companies to investigate, who will all kick, scream and mislead | Aug 01 21:20 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/96ops/google_says_c_is_going_to_kill_us_all_pic/ | Aug 01 21:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz5hG8LqxTI&NR=1 | Aug 01 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Regulation against health villains | Aug 01 21:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz your Flash bugs link is bad | Aug 01 21:49 | |
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| trmanco | ugh | Aug 01 22:06 |
| trmanco | php has namepaces now | Aug 01 22:07 |
| trmanco | namespaces* | Aug 01 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: oh? | Aug 01 22:07 |
| trmanco | php 5.3 introduced support for namespaces | Aug 01 22:07 |
| trmanco | http://pt.php.net/manual/pl/language.namespaces.php | Aug 01 22:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sys-Con Media Site Delisted, Spam Pattern Explained http://ping.fm/rSX0u | Aug 01 22:10 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: I sorted out MediaWiki | Aug 01 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Microsoft_Sins | Aug 01 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Cite Extension is installed now | Aug 01 22:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is the correct link: "Adobe patches 12 Flash bugs, 3 caused by Microsoft" http://ping.fm/eB6Gt (kudos @davidgerard ) | Aug 01 22:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Ministry of Health welcomes suicide ruling http://notnews.today.com/?p=578 | Aug 01 22:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz and even tho it's cross-platform on Acrobat ... only Windows users use Acrobat. Linux uses Ghostscript, Mac uses Preview. | Aug 01 22:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Cleaning my feed list | Aug 01 22:21 | |
| trmanco | http://marketshare.hitslink.com/search-engine-market-share.aspx?qprid=4&qpmr=100&qpdt=1&qpct=3&qpaf=-000%09101%09CN%0D&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=126&sample=1 | Aug 01 22:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] July 2009 Web Server Survey: http://is.gd/1Y95u | Aug 01 22:23 | |
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| trmanco | Wordpress will be moving to php5 only soon | Aug 01 22:28 |
| trmanco | http://codex.wordpress.org/Switching_to_PHP5 | Aug 01 22:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jim Allchin’s Lies and Patent FUD Against Free Software http://ping.fm/jIxTG | Aug 01 22:37 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: don't feed Hopkins et al (Microsoft) | Aug 01 22:37 |
| trmanco | what, netcraft? | Aug 01 22:38 |
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| Xarver_ | hi | Aug 01 22:45 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no, netapps | Aug 01 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Xarver_: what's up? | Aug 01 22:56 |
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| trmanco | ah | Aug 01 22:56 |
| Xarver | nothing much schestowitz | Aug 01 22:57 |
| Xarver | just bored | Aug 01 22:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Switzer Performance P800 997 Twin-Turbo: The world is never enough [w/VIDEO] — Autoblog: http://bit.ly/18rpm0 (via @therealautoblog) | Aug 01 23:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Fighting in built-up areas. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/12374.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/526188.html | Aug 01 23:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Groklaw on Microsoft’s GPL Violation and Microsoft on the GPL http://ping.fm/rI7vZ | Aug 01 23:27 | |
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