| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu GNU/Linux Brings Amiga Back http://ping.fm/9SwEu | Aug 02 23:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Bundling Schemes Are Starting to Fail http://ping.fm/BvKY5 | Aug 02 23:44 | |
| oiaohm | Hmm they missed the aros solution for bring amiga world out of grave. | Aug 02 23:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Laptop Sold for $369, Old Windows for $559 http://ping.fm/wd0OM | Aug 02 23:46 | |
| schestowitz | gn | Aug 02 23:46 |
| gn | Aug 02 23:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] wishing I knew how to spread the tools of autodidactism. | Aug 02 23:57 | |
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| Omar87 | LOL | Aug 03 04:12 |
| Omar87 | Hi guys! | Aug 03 04:12 |
| Omar87 | You're absolutely gonna love this: http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12946782 :) | Aug 03 04:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Microsoft Yahoo merger (COMIC): http://digg.com/d3zQFX?t So hilarious! :D | Aug 03 04:15 | |
| hides real loss of second search engine. | Aug 03 04:17 | |
| sad | Aug 03 04:17 | |
| true, but sad | Aug 03 04:18 | |
| Omar87 | twitter: Yeah, man. | Aug 03 04:18 |
| :) | Aug 03 04:18 | |
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| Ars says Word is dead http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/microsoft-word-1983---2009-rest-in-peace.ars | Aug 03 04:49 | |
| should be a closed casket | Aug 03 04:49 | |
| author was an idiot -> I used to laugh at the WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS people, with their silly keyboard templates and inscrutable function-key combinations | Aug 03 04:51 | |
| judged software by UI rather than function. | Aug 03 04:51 | |
| Word Perfect was dominant because of decent and consistent printed output. | Aug 03 04:52 | |
| Almost as good and portable as Latex and a little bit easier to use. | Aug 03 04:52 | |
| Word was and remains a bad joke. | Aug 03 04:53 | |
| author is still an idiot -> Word's document format will always be complicated, even if it is natively XML and completely open, simply because it has to support all the thousands of features that Word itself provides. | Aug 03 04:56 | |
| typography is not complicated. You do not need 8,000 pages to put ink on a page in a repeatable way. | Aug 03 04:57 | |
| author presents M$ friendly revisionist history of OOXML ISO corruption. | Aug 03 05:00 | |
| We are liable to see more of this bullshit. | Aug 03 05:00 | |
| ha ha, author realizes the typical M$ document flow is, "an astoundingly awful way to work" | Aug 03 05:03 | |
| duh. | Aug 03 05:03 | |
| as dumb as he's been, the author thinks Wikis are a good way to do things. Amazing. | Aug 03 05:05 | |
| -> One day you wake up and everything is on a wiki somewhere. How did that happen? It happens in much the same way as typewriters suddenly disappeared—because a better alternative arrived. Word—and I know I'll be attacked for saying this—is the new typewriter. | Aug 03 05:07 | |
| ha ha ha ha ha | Aug 03 05:07 | |
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| good bye, M$ cash cow. http://slashdot.org/submission/1049029/Ars-Technia-Word-is-Dead-Long-Live-Wikis | Aug 03 05:35 | |
| perhaps we can finally put an end to Word attachments | Aug 03 05:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Free Software is the Better Choice http://ping.fm/v5qRk http://ping.fm/WPehK | Aug 03 05:40 | |
| M$ Death Watch is updated with Ars' simple observation http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707 | Aug 03 05:41 | |
| If Office is dead, so is Windows and M$ will have no cash cows left. | Aug 03 05:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Gains Wide Support in European Governments, Funding Too http://ping.fm/8BEBy http://ping.fm/UcOlM | Aug 03 05:45 | |
| This seems appropriate here http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/A_memorial_to_Encarta_Money_Bob_and_other_Microsoft_fossils49390432.html | Aug 03 05:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] opentaps Becomes Free Software (AGPLv3) http://ping.fm/MdeLv | Aug 03 05:47 | |
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| _goblin | good morning all. | Aug 03 05:47 |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Aug 03 05:54 |
| good morning, Roy. | Aug 03 05:57 | |
| some troll thinks he knows my wife, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1307015&cid=28831853 | Aug 03 05:57 | |
| lovely people, these M$ Astroturfers are. | Aug 03 05:57 | |
| Another nice smear. http://www.johnbwilcox.net/twitterresponse.html | Aug 03 05:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] An Attack on Fair Use Leads to a Vision http://ping.fm/pU6Ox | Aug 03 05:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The ACTA Conspirators Lies About it Having to do with National Security http://ping.fm/D18tG | Aug 03 06:01 | |
| _goblin | Twitter: Ive had that too. My wife was exposed on the net recently.....some clever MS faithful found a picture of her: http://tinyurl.com/l38swh | Aug 03 06:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Poised to Lose Another Patent Battle http://ping.fm/WaeN6 | Aug 03 06:04 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yeah, age is showing. | Aug 03 06:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Review of GNU/Ballnux Studio (SUSE) http://ping.fm/kGbPd | Aug 03 06:06 | |
| schestowitz | I'm sure she was beautiful when younger ;-) | Aug 03 06:06 |
| _goblin | ;) | Aug 03 06:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Silences Researchers Who Know Windows is Flawed http://ping.fm/R8yHq | Aug 03 06:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 Has Early Victims: Another Vista 7-Capable Lawsuit Coming? http://ping.fm/LkrgB | Aug 03 06:15 | |
| nice articles, schestowitz | Aug 03 06:16 | |
| schestowitz | Ta | Aug 03 06:18 |
| The real Vista-7 Capable victims will be those who are eligible for a "free" Windows 7 upgrade. They will learn that Windows 7 is just as broken as Vista. | Aug 03 06:20 | |
| _goblin | Twitter: "Dont worry, it will be better next time..." | Aug 03 06:21 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 will FixEverything(R) | Aug 03 06:22 |
| _goblin | yep, cures all that ails ya. | Aug 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz | "WHat X should have been.." | Aug 03 06:22 |
| "cone of silence" around flaws, very convenient. | Aug 03 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | 2010: Vista 8 is what VIsta 7 should have been | Aug 03 06:23 |
| _goblin | lol.... | Aug 03 06:23 |
| _goblin | wonder when Ballmers replacement is coming... | Aug 03 06:23 |
| Nah, they will stick with Vista 7 for at least a year. | Aug 03 06:23 | |
| _goblin | that long? | Aug 03 06:23 |
| then implode with it. | Aug 03 06:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Sued Over the Xbox 360 Fiasco Again (Already Losing Billions in XBox) http://ping.fm/Avgsd | Aug 03 06:24 | |
| I think the Ars article was very damaging for them. | Aug 03 06:24 | |
| _goblin | then for Vista 8 you will need to run XP mode in Vista 7 in a VM just to get XP compat.... | Aug 03 06:24 |
| it casts the whole PC work flow as an ancient relic about to be replaced, and it is right. | Aug 03 06:24 | |
| Wikis will crush M$ Word. | Aug 03 06:24 | |
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| the most damning part about that article is that it was written by a real M$ Word fan - a 20 year long user. | Aug 03 06:26 | |
| A M$ defender wrote in my M$ Death Watch Journal, " microsoft is still the vehicle that countless corporations rely on, for everyday computing." Suddenly, with Wikis, no one needs M$. It's game over. | Aug 03 06:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Zune Still a Colossal Failure http://ping.fm/vd1iv | Aug 03 06:29 | |
| Zooooooooon. | Aug 03 06:29 | |
| something funny about that link | Aug 03 06:31 | |
| http://www.mercurynews.com/nationworld/ci_12940980?nclick_check=1&forced=true | Aug 03 06:31 | |
| ha ha, investors are clueless -> "Microsoft should abandon Zune and follow Apple's strategy to try to make its presence felt in the high-growth smart-phone sector," Kurian said. | Aug 03 06:34 | |
| M$'s "smart phones" are also a massive failure because M$'s software blows. | Aug 03 06:34 | |
| PJ points to Cost of M$ Yahoo buy out. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2009570116_microsoft_slip_return_on_yahoo.html | Aug 03 06:40 | |
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| I pointed to something similar a day or two ago. | Aug 03 06:41 | |
| Lots of interesting details, Yahoo was really, really robbed. | Aug 03 06:41 | |
| p0wnt for $300 million or so. | Aug 03 06:41 | |
| I wonder if that will cover the cost of executive bonuses. | Aug 03 06:42 | |
| Sweaty B still shakes his "IP" at gnu/linux, "Well, along comes Linux, and they say, we have no price, which of course, we know for IP and other reasons, of course they have a price." | Aug 03 06:44 | |
| http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Ballmer_Microsoft_Windows_has_hit_right_balance_vs_Linux_Apple_52085807.html | Aug 03 06:45 | |
| what a P. | Aug 03 06:45 | |
| *schestowitz listens to http://www.twit.tv/FLOSS | Aug 03 06:45 | |
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| schestowitz | ORLY shown for his stupidity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FARDDcdFaQ&feature=related | Aug 03 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Keith Olbermann smacks down Bill O'Reilly < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95tdHD95sOo&NR=1 > | Aug 03 07:45 |
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| schestowitz | Former GP welcomes prosecution for paying towards assisted suicide trip http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jul/31/doctor-assisted-suicide-dignitas | Aug 03 07:50 |
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| schestowitz | mi5 lied... ttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/31/binyam-mohamed-new-evidence-guantanamo | Aug 03 07:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Enjoy' eating fish... while it lasts http://ping.fm/qjbtS | Aug 03 07:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] REVIEW: GCstar 1.5.0beta1 – Manage your collection! http://tinyurl.com/l89bsx #linux #foss | Aug 03 08:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Get 400 followers a day using http://tinyurl.com/npfzt4 | Aug 03 08:15 | |
| _goblin | damn...what did I do that for..... | Aug 03 08:16 |
| oiaohm | No problem with fish supply here schestowitz our water ways are highly regulatered. | Aug 03 08:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking to get some work done around the house. | Aug 03 08:19 | |
| amarsh04 | you haven't seen the murray below lock 1 oiaohm )-: | Aug 03 08:19 |
| oiaohm | I am in queensland amarsh04 | Aug 03 08:20 |
| oiaohm | Ours water ways did not get screwed up like down there. | Aug 03 08:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] .26 of WINE really is a solid release. So many improvements and bug fixes, many previous issues simply now "Just work" #linux #foss | Aug 03 08:21 | |
| amarsh04 | yes, it seemed like none of the darling's most recent floods (2007?) made it to Wentworth | Aug 03 08:21 |
| oiaohm | Things should im | Aug 03 08:23 |
| oiaohm | prove down there. | Aug 03 08:23 |
| oiaohm | Since cuby station has been shutdown. | Aug 03 08:23 |
| oiaohm | That place sucked up a insane ammount of water. | Aug 03 08:24 |
| amarsh04 | need a few cyclones to head south from the gulf of Carpentaria to the Darling basin too | Aug 03 08:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: fishery is a global thing | Aug 03 08:27 |
| schestowitz | It's not a matter of local or national problem | Aug 03 08:27 |
| schestowitz | water is intl | Aug 03 08:27 |
| schestowitz | And if AU doesn't fish much, the Chinese fishers will reach further down south. They already travel to corals that they empty. | Aug 03 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Not for all fish. | Aug 03 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes our coast guard is getting more work. | Aug 03 08:29 |
| oiaohm | North of australia already has a boat that is basically a floating prisson. | Aug 03 08:29 |
| oiaohm | For people entering to fish illegaly. | Aug 03 08:30 |
| oiaohm | Its also part of the reason why australia got mixed up in the iraq war was to get hands on drones to monitor the north. | Aug 03 08:32 |
| oiaohm | http://kornelix.squarespace.com/fotoxx/ << Interesting application might need to add to other options in the mono applications for gfoto? Ok the photo management one. | Aug 03 08:35 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17923 Ok some topics in the open source world take the cake. | Aug 03 08:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks, I'll add | Aug 03 08:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Fails with Gadgets and Moves on to Toys http://ping.fm/CpBAg | Aug 03 08:50 | |
| schestowitz | Added kornelix to http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono_Applications | Aug 03 08:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ubuntu 9.10 successfully installed on the Acer Aspire Revo! If only I had an HDMI cable I could test it on the telly too! :) | Aug 03 09:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Electric unicycle! http://tlb.org/eunicycle.html | Aug 03 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | Segway rattempted | Aug 03 09:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Sued for Selling Inherently-defective Xbox 360s, Other Bad Xbox News http://ping.fm/JaMtX | Aug 03 09:44 | |
| oiaohm | kornelix produces a few apps the photo one is fotoxx schestowitz | Aug 03 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Fixed | Aug 03 09:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] comScore Crawls into Bed with Microsoft http://ping.fm/Eh2t8 | Aug 03 10:24 | |
| schestowitz | Interesting. Microsoft's OOXML henchman Lunds asked me about the FSF's response to the MCP. I ignored the question, but it does show that Microsoft is concerned about how the FOSS world perceives MCPs. I also heard from someone who showed me evidence that Microsoft is 'spamming' Wikipedia with links to the MCP that it gardens these days. | Aug 03 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://zip.4chan.org/m/src/1249285378421.jpg | Aug 03 10:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Get 400 followers a day using http://tinyurl.com/npfzt4 | Aug 03 10:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Sees Itself as Above EU Law http://ping.fm/Li3WL | Aug 03 10:45 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: makes Twitter just a joke | Aug 03 10:46 |
| _goblin | damn....I thought I had removed that.... | Aug 03 10:46 |
| _goblin | standby... | Aug 03 10:47 |
| _goblin | done... | Aug 03 10:47 |
| _goblin | that will teach me. | Aug 03 10:47 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @cenourinha: O terceiro paragrafo fez-me lembrar uma pessoa que alguns de nós conhecemos... LOL http://tinyurl.com/LOLOMGROFTLWTF | Aug 03 11:06 | |
| trmanco | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/news-5-1-37.html | Aug 03 11:10 |
| trmanco | it's been released | Aug 03 11:10 |
| trmanco | http://lists.mysql.com/announce/620 | Aug 03 11:10 |
| trmanco | http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.1.html | Aug 03 11:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just done a very big purge of my Twitter, don't be offended if I have removed you, you will be added (if youre not one of the MS faithful!) | Aug 03 11:36 | |
| _goblin | about time I purged my Twitter of all the rubbish....I can monitor the MSfaithful through twitterfall instead of on my profile. | Aug 03 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Aug 03 11:12:01 <trmanco>http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.1.html | Aug 03 11:40 |
| schestowitz | How important is this? | Aug 03 11:40 |
| MinceR | it's netbsd, therefore it's unimportant :> | Aug 03 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's important for toasters. | Aug 03 11:42 |
| MinceR | linux runs even on toasters. | Aug 03 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Whoa | Aug 03 11:49 |
| schestowitz | So netbsd is toasted | Aug 03 11:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Attack on GNU/Linux Extends to an Attack on Affordable PCs http://ping.fm/Qz33D | Aug 03 11:50 | |
| _goblin | there done.... | Aug 03 11:58 |
| _goblin | I am now following 48 people.... | Aug 03 11:59 |
| MinceR | i am following 0 people | Aug 03 11:59 |
| _goblin | I will do another purge...... | Aug 03 11:59 |
| _goblin | following 0? | Aug 03 12:00 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 03 12:00 |
| MinceR | i'm not on twitter :> | Aug 03 12:00 |
| _goblin | Youre not hip cool and trendy then......;) !?!? | Aug 03 12:01 |
| MinceR | i'm a rebel. ;) | Aug 03 12:01 |
| _goblin | come be a sheep like the rest of us......baaaah | Aug 03 12:01 |
| MinceR | mew | Aug 03 12:01 |
| MinceR | "There will always be consumerism as a form of rebellion against consumerism." | Aug 03 12:03 |
| MinceR | * MinceR invents rebellion against consumerism as a form of rebellion against consumerism. | Aug 03 12:03 |
| MinceR | * MinceR consumerizes it | Aug 03 12:03 |
| _goblin | now down to 45 | Aug 03 12:04 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @sampablokuperApple attempts silence family with gagging order after the child’s iPod explodes http://is.gd/20sYq #Applefail | Aug 03 12:12 | |
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| schestowitz | It turns out that Melco paid after Microsoft SUED THEM. http://www.processor.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/P3120/05p20/05p20/layout1.asp&guid= | Aug 03 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Aug 03 12:12:18 -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @sampablokuperApple attempts silence family with gagging order after the child’s iPod explodes http://is.gd/20sYq #Applefail | Aug 03 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Another win for Apple, I guess. Fan boys and gals will bury this fast. | Aug 03 12:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Sued Melco Group Over Linux and Microsoft is Likely to Lose Another Patent Case (VirnetX) http://ping.fm/Aeg8m | Aug 03 12:24 | |
| _goblin | right thats me done. Going to sign off for a bit....got myself down to following 40 people.....day off work today so I think I'll get some jobs sorted around the house....... bbl | Aug 03 12:24 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Aug 03 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Howdy | Aug 03 12:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple tried to silence owner of exploding iPod with gagging order < http://ping.fm/c6w9d > Fewer people will put their iPod near face... | Aug 03 12:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft and Apple Gag Truth Tellers, Disregard Risk of Death http://ping.fm/UFs1n | Aug 03 12:59 | |
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| schestowitz | SMS and email are killing friendships < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1495930/sms-email-killing-friendships > Guess who says that? | Aug 03 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | German boffins create 'flight simulator for flies' < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/03/german_flight_sim_for_flies/ > | Aug 03 13:16 |
| Ng | schestowitz: I'm guessing it's not the mobile industry? ;) | Aug 03 13:16 |
| schestowitz | No, that industry is warning that VoIP lead to terorism | Aug 03 13:17 |
| schestowitz | *rr | Aug 03 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | PP redesigns his site.. http://penguinpetes.com/index.php | Aug 03 13:24 |
| tacone1 | brr | Aug 03 13:25 |
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| Omar87 | Hi guys! | Aug 03 13:29 |
| Omar87 | I became the 6th best karma user! :D | Aug 03 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I saw.... | Aug 03 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Where has AxisSomething gone? | Aug 03 13:31 |
| schestowitz | He used to submit loads of RMS stuff... | Aug 03 13:32 |
| Omar87 | Hey, Roy. You might wanna see this: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article6736587.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2015164 | Aug 03 13:36 |
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| ThistleWeb | they got the intent of the order wrong, that's the new iGrenade that's yet to be unveiled | Aug 03 13:39 |
| ThistleWeb | ya can't have members of the puplic go spoil the announcement | Aug 03 13:39 |
| ThistleWeb | somehow a prototype went on sale as an iPod | Aug 03 13:39 |
| ThistleWeb | the distributers will soon be "dealt with" | Aug 03 13:40 |
| ThistleWeb | peace | Aug 03 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: http://ping.fm/UFs1n | Aug 03 13:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the iGrenades are planned to be sold to the US military, to throw at insurgents as peace offerings from a civilised world, only to have them explode in the hands, rendering the hands incapable of building bombs, or holding weapons | Aug 03 13:42 |
| ThistleWeb | for that they have to look identivcal to iPods | Aug 03 13:42 |
| ThistleWeb | I jest of course lol | Aug 03 13:42 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: Maybe the Chinese distributors will be suicided | Aug 03 13:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ned=uk&cf=all&ncl=d-SpzHubv6fqFoMVjd2Nf44XzqBgM | Aug 03 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh dear | Aug 03 13:44 |
| oiaohm | You are reminding me of the old high explosive 303 rounds of world war 2 ThistleWeb | Aug 03 13:44 |
| schestowitz | "Exploding iPod backfires on Apple" | Aug 03 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Great healdine | Aug 03 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Just spreed them around and wait for the other side to use them. | Aug 03 13:44 |
| ThistleWeb | oiaohm: yep | Aug 03 13:44 |
| ThistleWeb | or as the Israeli miltary do with some bomblets, colour them like toys so the kids pick em up | Aug 03 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Decomissioned 1 gun and 1 solider. | Aug 03 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Clustering them | Aug 03 13:45 |
| oiaohm | I still have my grandfathers 303 shell knife. | Aug 03 13:46 |
| ThistleWeb | after all, who'd pick up something which LOOKS like a bomb | Aug 03 13:46 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb: one of the dirtiest traps performed by the Israeli military against innocent Palestinian kids. | Aug 03 13:46 |
| ThistleWeb | an iPod on the other hand | Aug 03 13:47 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: "In January 1996, Israel's internal security Relevant Products/Services service, or Shabak, allegedly used an exploding cell phone to assassinate Palestinian suicide bomb mastermind Yahya Ayyash, known as "The Engineer." Ayash was believed to have been responsible for at least 130 deaths in a series of suicide bombings in Israel." | Aug 03 13:47 |
| schestowitz | http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2007/05/watch-out-for-exploding-cell-phones.html | Aug 03 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can stock more iPod | Aug 03 13:47 |
| oiaohm | There is one problem with providing devices that will explode. | Aug 03 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Robert Gates has ordered a shipment of iPods shortly after the news about apple ;-) | Aug 03 13:47 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 03 13:47 |
| oiaohm | If they can becontroled you are handing the other side premade detorators. | Aug 03 13:48 |
| ThistleWeb | oiaohm: the weapon is not the explosive | Aug 03 13:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: So what about the link you sent me? | Aug 03 13:48 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the knowledge that it is an explosive | Aug 03 13:48 |
| ThistleWeb | if the recipent dont know | Aug 03 13:48 |
| ThistleWeb | if they do, they can use it | Aug 03 13:49 |
| schestowitz | The girl didn't know | Aug 03 13:49 |
| ThistleWeb | or not fall into it | Aug 03 13:49 |
| schestowitz | They bought it as a gift | Aug 03 13:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ned=uk&cf=all&ncl=d-SpzHubv6fqFoMVjd2Nf44XzqBgM | Aug 03 13:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/03/ipod_flames/ Apple accused of lowering cone of silence over iPod flame out | Aug 03 13:49 |
| ThistleWeb | joking aside, I doubt Apple intended to make an iGrenade | Aug 03 13:49 |
| oiaohm | I really do prefer the Australian system to replace mine fields. | Aug 03 13:49 |
| schestowitz | This a repeat offense from Apple | Aug 03 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Turns out it's like XBox | Aug 03 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I sent you a link to show that I wrote about it an hour ago | Aug 03 13:50 |
| ThistleWeb | or if they did, not sell it to the public under the label of an "entertainment device" | Aug 03 13:50 |
| schestowitz | It's not just an Apple problem, Microsoft does this also | Aug 03 13:50 |
| oiaohm | lithium ion battery have some major issues. | Aug 03 13:51 |
| schestowitz | I guess the 'i' brand will suffer a lot from this, but cellphones are the same | Aug 03 13:51 |
| schestowitz | It's a batter issue, not an Apple issue | Aug 03 13:51 |
| oiaohm | They are extrealy close to being pure explosive. | Aug 03 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will play it off against Apple | Aug 03 13:51 |
| oiaohm | The problem with high power density. | Aug 03 13:51 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb: However, the tactic of hiding explosives by making them look like a toy is no longer needed. They have already massacred about 1500 innocent people (most of which are kid and women) from the sky, using the world most prohibited weapon systems in Gaza about 6 months ago, remember? | Aug 03 13:52 |
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| Omar87 | the world's* most prohibited.. | Aug 03 13:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I know the Israelis have used ( and I guess continue to use) cluster bombs in civilian areas, despite it being a clear war crime | Aug 03 13:53 |
| ThistleWeb | many of the bomblets dont go off, and stay in the ruble for the suvivors to trip | Aug 03 13:53 |
| ThistleWeb | coloured to attrach the eye of kids | Aug 03 13:54 |
| Omar87 | And white phosphorus bombs too. | Aug 03 13:54 |
| ThistleWeb | apparently cluster bombs are legal under international law, but only to be used on purely military targets | Aug 03 13:54 |
| Omar87 | They've also used some uranium as well, despite it being completely prohibited. | Aug 03 13:55 |
| ThistleWeb | the Israelis feel immune to international laws, as they feel victimised by it | Aug 03 13:55 |
| ThistleWeb | and as long as the US veto any move against them by default, they will continue to act above the law | Aug 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Introducing Winesharer - so pre-alpha it doesn't even work http://jhansonxi.blogspot.com/2009/08/introducing-winesharer-so-pre-alpha-it.html | Aug 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: see this: http://blog.eracc.com/2009/08/02/linux-there-are-simply-too-many-versions/ | Aug 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | About uniformity that you speak about | Aug 03 13:57 |
| oiaohm | So far the Israels don't have ADWS systems. | Aug 03 13:57 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb: Yeah. Despite all the loud and clear international collusion with them, somehow they still feel victimized by the international law. | Aug 03 13:57 |
| oiaohm | ADWS are far more annoying than normal mine fields. | Aug 03 13:57 |
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| ThistleWeb | we could do with trimming some distros though | Aug 03 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: same with the US | Aug 03 13:57 |
| ThistleWeb | some of the more obscure respins | Aug 03 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie approved can walk across a area unharmed anyone not aproved is dead. | Aug 03 13:58 |
| schestowitz | "Too many “versions” of GNU/Linux? No. Too little education about GNU/Linux? Definitely." | Aug 03 13:58 |
| Eruaran | hello | Aug 03 13:58 |
| ThistleWeb | variety is good, specially when many specialise to fill a particular niche | Aug 03 13:58 |
| ThistleWeb | but too much variety, or no easy way of catagorising them to narrow them down | Aug 03 13:59 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of distros are not helping by being too vague in their intended use | Aug 03 13:59 |
| ThistleWeb | hey Eruaran | Aug 03 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Really there are not too many versions. | Aug 03 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Issue is simpler. | Aug 03 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Fix the dynamic loader to allow mixed versions of .so files and most could be merged. | Aug 03 14:00 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb: Take the murder of Rachel Corrie for example. The Israeli bulldozer buried her right where she was standing. Yet the American government left their hands of her and never tried to even look into her case. Just because she was saying "NO" to the Israeli insolence. | Aug 03 14:00 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's a natural thing in development | Aug 03 14:00 |
| ThistleWeb | Omar87: the Israelis have long been a law unto themselves | Aug 03 14:01 |
| schestowitz | You otherwise prevent choice from programmers | Aug 03 14:01 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb: Exactly. | Aug 03 14:01 |
| ThistleWeb | also if you narrow your niche too much you deter potential new users and devs | Aug 03 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Israelis with ADWS systems could be scary. | Aug 03 14:01 |
| ThistleWeb | so your distro never takes off | Aug 03 14:01 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/07/31/centos-is-dead-long-live-centos/ (CentOS is dead, long live CentOS) | Aug 03 14:02 |
| oiaohm | At kernel level there is not much difference between distributions. | Aug 03 14:02 |
| Eruaran | I'm going to make my own distro and call it Green Chilli | Aug 03 14:02 |
| ThistleWeb | someone should do a "second coming" blog about centos | Aug 03 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Branching mostly | Aug 03 14:02 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: Arkansas Department of Workforce Services? What does it have to do with the Israelis? | Aug 03 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Above kernel level the issue that causes the most divide is in ld.so | Aug 03 14:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I have too much contempt for religious lunacy to do it | Aug 03 14:03 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb: To do what? | Aug 03 14:03 |
| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyAjzowYP1o << These puppies Omar87 | Aug 03 14:04 |
| ThistleWeb | a blog post about the "second coming of CentOS" ala "the second coming of the original hippy known as Jesus" | Aug 03 14:04 |
| ThistleWeb | killed by the romans / MS PR mischief | Aug 03 14:04 |
| ThistleWeb | only to rise from the dead and gain new followers | Aug 03 14:05 |
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| Eruaran | M$ is looking weaker by the day now... all they seem to be able to really do is pump up the hype on Vista 7... and even that seems somewhat muted | Aug 03 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Unix system was purely designed to only have 1 version of a .so file installed. | Aug 03 14:06 |
| ThistleWeb | when you have to cut costs in your shill budget, you have less members of the choir singing | Aug 03 14:07 |
| ThistleWeb | they only sing when they get paid to | Aug 03 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Eruaran: break trust of media has caused them a never ending problem. | Aug 03 14:07 |
| ThistleWeb | that's one thing MS will never be able to match FOSS on. The people singing from the FOSS hymn sheet actually WANT to do it, they will do it for free because they believe int he cause | Aug 03 14:08 |
| ThistleWeb | MS have to pay people to sing from theirs | Aug 03 14:08 |
| ThistleWeb | and pay the fees of "professional" outfits, to appear official, and drown out the competing hymn sung by REAL windows users | Aug 03 14:09 |
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| cj | ThistleWeb: but... what if MS is part of the F/OSS community? | Aug 03 14:11 |
| ThistleWeb | they are? | Aug 03 14:12 |
| ThistleWeb | news to me | Aug 03 14:12 |
| Eruaran | Like a cancer is part of your body... | Aug 03 14:12 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: you must be new to F/OSS? | Aug 03 14:12 |
| ThistleWeb | other than playing the part of the killer in waiting, trying, but not quite able to kill it | Aug 03 14:12 |
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| ThistleWeb | taking some slices off, but never quite able to deal the death blow | Aug 03 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Ok nice split | Aug 03 14:13 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: I learned how to use grub & xen from ms contractors... they've contributed a lot to those projects, you know | Aug 03 14:13 |
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| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 03 14:13 |
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| cj | how 'bout SASL? do you use that? | Aug 03 14:14 |
| cj | Kerberos? LDAP? | Aug 03 14:15 |
| oiaohm | grub when cj | Aug 03 14:15 |
| ThistleWeb | are you really trying to tell us MS is part of the FOSS community? | Aug 03 14:15 |
| ThistleWeb | or is that just humour that don't come through in IRC | Aug 03 14:15 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: more than schestowitz, that's for certain. | Aug 03 14:15 |
| schestowitz | What is MongoDB? http://blog.boxedice.com/2009/07/25/choosing-a-non-relational-database-why-we-migrated-from-mysql-to-mongodb/ | Aug 03 14:15 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: yes. MS has contributed more to F/OSS than #boycottnovell | Aug 03 14:15 |
| ThistleWeb | lmao | Aug 03 14:15 |
| ThistleWeb | mutex? | Aug 03 14:15 |
| ThistleWeb | methinks | Aug 03 14:16 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: #boycottnovell and F/OSS? I agree. | Aug 03 14:16 |
| ThistleWeb | FOSS needs MS like they need a hole in the head | Aug 03 14:16 |
| ThistleWeb | we'll get on much better when MS is bankrupt | Aug 03 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I have not seen a single code submit to grub from MS staff. | Aug 03 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Kerberos MS altered theres to be incompadible. | Aug 03 14:17 |
| oiaohm | LDAP MS ADS does not obey LDAP protocal correctly for its LDAP parts. | Aug 03 14:17 |
| oiaohm | When it comes to working with standards MS is basically a pain in but. | Aug 03 14:17 |
| schestowitz | More "TCO" nonsense from IDG: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2384&blogid=35 | Aug 03 14:18 |
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| ThistleWeb | MS does stick to standards, they just have a different definition of the word. Their "standards" are stuff they do, that they own and can change to keep competition out. | Aug 03 14:19 |
| oiaohm | If MS could follow standard documentation correctly they would not be as big as problem to Foss cj | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: something's maybe up with freenode. Not sure if it's just me dropping off cause you did too | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has low standards | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Or none | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | And it sued FOSS | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | It sued TomTom | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | It sued Melco | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | It's threatening to sue other companies for FOSS | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | It's a dying company | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Like SCO, it's suing as it's las hurrah\ | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | *last | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | WHen people find this out, they then look away | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Look how SCO lost its customers | Aug 03 14:20 |
| schestowitz | What was left of them | Aug 03 14:20 |
| oiaohm | cj boycottnovell has done useful things for open source world. Someone has to archive history. | Aug 03 14:21 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: F/OSS needs hatemongering from #boycottnovell less than it needs MS's help ;) | Aug 03 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Bluehost CEO: Steve Ballmer is a Jackass! < http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=132 > | Aug 03 14:21 |
| cj | oiaohm: do you deny that MS has done useful things for the open source world? | Aug 03 14:21 |
| schestowitz | He boycotted Microsoft after they attacked FOSS | Aug 03 14:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: cj speaks? | Aug 03 14:21 |
| oiaohm | MS has done lot more harm than good cj | Aug 03 14:21 |
| cj | oiaohm: I'm no MS fanboi, mind you, but I can't deny that Linux is better for their support | Aug 03 14:21 |
| schestowitz | It's a former contractor of Microsoft | Aug 03 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: indeed | Aug 03 14:21 |
| cj | oiaohm: that may be true. | Aug 03 14:21 |
| schestowitz | He should not even be here | Aug 03 14:21 |
| cj | those who disagree with schestowitz should not be here ;) | Aug 03 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Aug 03 14:22 |
| cj | I'd agree that hatemongers shouldn't be on freenode, but what do I know? | Aug 03 14:22 |
| ThistleWeb | no, those who live in a fantasy land need not be here | Aug 03 14:22 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: heh, the channel would be empty | Aug 03 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: heh | Aug 03 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Or those posing for Microsoft | Aug 03 14:22 |
| oiaohm | I don't like Linux or Mac or Windows completely. | Aug 03 14:22 |
| oiaohm | All of them I pick faults in cj | Aug 03 14:22 |
| cj | oiaohm: amen ;) | Aug 03 14:22 |
| oiaohm | I don't have a particular bias. | Aug 03 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | yep no OS is 100% perfect | Aug 03 14:23 |
| oiaohm | I don't try to make MS look good. | Aug 03 14:23 |
| cj | oiaohm: I have a bias for linux, I gotta' admit | Aug 03 14:23 |
| schestowitz | This is what ruins places of discussion... when people who used to represent or represent a company go to forums about it to quiet dissent | Aug 03 14:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I love MS personally, when I want the fun of a virus scan there's no better platform than windows | Aug 03 14:23 |
| cj | someone ask schestowitz if I am attempting to quiet dissent | Aug 03 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Like having shills of the US military (yes, they got caught) infilitrating forums criticial of the military | Aug 03 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Boycott novell does good at times by appling presure where it should be. | Aug 03 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Like the mono patents. | Aug 03 14:23 |
| cj | oiaohm: indeed. no contest to that. however, there is a lot of hatemongering that need not happen. | Aug 03 14:24 |
| ThistleWeb | BN is one of the few sites willing to expose what the regular media wont | Aug 03 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Open source needs light and dark. | Aug 03 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Information is information | Aug 03 14:24 |
| cj | oiaohm: if bn was serious about the mono patents, I think they would get involved with the SFLC | Aug 03 14:24 |
| ThistleWeb | complete with links to sources | Aug 03 14:24 |
| schestowitz | If some idiots like "fink" act like idiots, it's their fault | Aug 03 14:24 |
| schestowitz | And if the information is not accurate, there is room for comment | Aug 03 14:25 |
| oiaohm | cj SFLC was also having problems getting information on mono patent status. | Aug 03 14:25 |
| oiaohm | When boycott novell started appling presure. | Aug 03 14:25 |
| cj | heh, if some idiots write signed email to "fink" telling them that they like their style but that it should be separated from the site to give it the impression of being unbiased, it's their fault, too | Aug 03 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't silence dissent, but if shill /overwhelms/ on topic discussion, it qualifies as trolling | Aug 03 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Lot of us had checked with SFLC before appling presure over it. | Aug 03 14:25 |
| cj | alright. but speaking of SFLC, let's see if we can get something moving. | Aug 03 14:26 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 03 14:26 |
| cj | anyone want to be CC'd on the next email I send to the SFLC leadership? | Aug 03 14:26 |
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| ThistleWeb | cj thanks for the offer but I'd rather not be associated with a looney tyvm | Aug 03 14:27 |
| Eruaran | M$ is the next SCO | Aug 03 14:28 |
| oiaohm | That is what we were doing with boycott novell. | Aug 03 14:28 |
| oiaohm | SFLC had hit a brick wall over mono patents. | Aug 03 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Even the lead developer of mono was hitting brick walls but was not publically telling people. | Aug 03 14:28 |
| oiaohm | There are jobs for a site like boycott novel to take up. | Aug 03 14:28 |
| oiaohm | SFLC has there job as well cj | Aug 03 14:28 |
| oiaohm | SFLC job is to provide legal advice what they do very well. | Aug 03 14:28 |
| Eruaran | I can't see Windows lasting the next 10 years (and thats being generous) | Aug 03 14:28 |
| oiaohm | There job is not to get mixed up in there dirty business of PR. | Aug 03 14:28 |
| ThistleWeb | freenode is acting very odd today it seems | Aug 03 14:28 |
| Eruaran | It will become a marginalized legacy OS | Aug 03 14:29 |
| ThistleWeb | 2009 is the beginning of the end for MS | Aug 03 14:29 |
| *schestowitz back | Aug 03 14:29 | |
| schestowitz | freenode is laggy today :-( | Aug 03 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically boycott novel is paying in the dirty game of PR. | Aug 03 14:29 |
| ThistleWeb | it has a long way to fall, but fall it will | Aug 03 14:29 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, 2008 | Aug 03 14:29 |
| schestowitz | In terms of finances at least | Aug 03 14:29 |
| schestowitz | 2007 brought the Vista disaster and then Ribbon Mess | Aug 03 14:30 |
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| oiaohm | cj its ying and yang. A world fully filled with light has trouble seeing darkness. | Aug 03 14:30 |
| ThistleWeb | with a few glitches of hope for a short period, or a lil blip in profits.....then back to it's downward fall | Aug 03 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Two cash cows down for thew count | Aug 03 14:30 |
| oiaohm | And a world fully filled with darkness has trouble seeing light. | Aug 03 14:30 |
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| ThistleWeb | pity for MS that the recession coincided with their vista release and desperation to have it do well | Aug 03 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Open Source world need balance. | Aug 03 14:31 |
| Eruaran | I think Ballmer thinks its still 1999 | Aug 03 14:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Openlogic-1022552.html (OpenLogic Expands OpenLogic Exchange Enterprise Edition to Help Customers Identify Cost Savings From Using Open Source Software ) <---- can't cite them anymore because they are influenced partly by Microsoft | Aug 03 14:31 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem with lot of haters of boycott novell. | Aug 03 14:31 |
| ThistleWeb | Eruaran: he has Prince stuck in the CD player in his car | Aug 03 14:32 |
| oiaohm | They don't see the need of blance. | Aug 03 14:32 |
| Eruaran | ThistleWeb, Whats wrong with Prince ? ;) | Aug 03 14:32 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA stories | Aug 03 14:32 |
| schestowitz | In 2007 he did OK | Aug 03 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Recession is helping Linux. | Aug 03 14:32 |
| ThistleWeb | nothing, he's just taken it as NLP and is "partying like it's 1999" | Aug 03 14:32 |
| schestowitz | He wanted to give a CD with The Times | Aug 03 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Its making people think about how they are spending money. | Aug 03 14:32 |
| Eruaran | You think Ballmer will last another 12 months as CEO ? | Aug 03 14:33 |
| Eruaran | If M$ continues to slide as they have done, and Vista 7 doesn't give them a shot of adrenaline, M$ will officially go into debt within 12 months. | Aug 03 14:33 |
| ThistleWeb | "the more you tighten your grasp, the more star systems will slip through your fingers" - Princess Leia | Aug 03 14:33 |
| ThistleWeb | ^^seems like advice many corps could listen to when thinking about locking stuff down further and screwing their customers | Aug 03 14:34 |
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| ThistleWeb | Ballmer is in an unusual position of being one of the originals | Aug 03 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Longer it lastest the better it is for Linux. | Aug 03 14:34 |
| ThistleWeb | he will be hard to unseat | Aug 03 14:35 |
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| could be. Then again, people might just be understanding freedom better from watching things like Kindle, Tivo, iPhone, etc. -> oiaohm: Recession is helping Linux. | Aug 03 14:35 | |
| conley | schestowitz: I'm curious, how do you find time to blog so much? | Aug 03 14:35 |
| Eruaran | he has a clone | Aug 03 14:35 |
| conley | schestowitz: I'm curious, how do you find time to blog so much? | Aug 03 14:35 |
| ThistleWeb | Eruaran: still on the SW theme? | Aug 03 14:35 |
| ThistleWeb | conley: you here to ask or harass? | Aug 03 14:36 |
| ThistleWeb | repeating your comment so quickly, comes across as agressive | Aug 03 14:36 |
| oiaohm | twitter businesses before the resession where not thinking about software costs that much. | Aug 03 14:36 |
| ThistleWeb | like you're here with a mission | Aug 03 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Software cost was something you would just write off twitter | Aug 03 14:36 |
| oiaohm | The downturn has altered that game. | Aug 03 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Now software cost could be the difference between a company living or dieing. | Aug 03 14:37 |
| ThistleWeb | specially sice the only two comments you've made are 1 comment repeated | Aug 03 14:37 |
| schestowitz | conley: I do them in busts of 3 hours | Aug 03 14:38 |
| schestowitz | *bursts | Aug 03 14:38 |
| oiaohm | People learning about freedom is important but that has not been a major changing factor yet twitter. | Aug 03 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully in the next 2 years the effects of the no DRM compaines and examples of where it bad will strenth that. | Aug 03 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Will start having a large effect. | Aug 03 14:39 |
| always putting words into my mouth. -> oiaohm: Software cost was something you would just write off twitter | Aug 03 14:39 | |
| he wonders why I don't trust him and ignore him. | Aug 03 14:40 | |
| hmph. | Aug 03 14:40 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: you're being foolish re oiaohm | Aug 03 14:40 |
| schestowitz | He's just more openly critical, but he's on your team | Aug 03 14:40 |
| schestowitz | The one who was a critical troll was daemonFC | Aug 03 14:41 |
| oiaohm | No twitter not words in mouth. | Aug 03 14:41 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter ignores everyone in the end | Aug 03 14:41 |
| oiaohm | That is what a lot of business said to me before the resession. | Aug 03 14:41 |
| ThistleWeb | it's almost like a badge of honour | Aug 03 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Software was just a cost to write off. | Aug 03 14:41 |
| schestowitz | What's the status on Cox? | Aug 03 14:41 |
| oiaohm | I have a bad habit of missing full stops. twitter. | Aug 03 14:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm is sloppy like me on irc | Aug 03 14:42 |
| schestowitz | So I don't feel like the only fool (full of typos) | Aug 03 14:42 |
| He is sloppy in his thinking and projects it onto others. | Aug 03 14:42 | |
| ThistleWeb | irc is real time chat, like PMs | Aug 03 14:42 |
| ThistleWeb | as long as you can communicate that's all that matters | Aug 03 14:43 |
| also diddles with technical details that don't matter. | Aug 03 14:43 | |
| usually to spin things in favor of non free software. | Aug 03 14:43 | |
| ThistleWeb | it's different when you write stuff you plan out. Then you're expected to do read throughs, spell checks etc | Aug 03 14:43 |
| schestowitz | If you're not fast in IRC, then the sequences of conversation gets br0ken | Aug 03 14:43 |
| X has problems, GCC has problems, blah. | Aug 03 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | *sequence | Aug 03 14:43 |
| conley | ThistleWeb: Forgive me, schestowitz walked in right after I asked the first time. | Aug 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | twitter: they do | Aug 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | All software does | Aug 03 14:44 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: which looney, RMS? | Aug 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Just being libre doesn't make something technically impeccable | Aug 03 14:44 |
| Not when you are talking about freedom. | Aug 03 14:44 | |
| schestowitz | Depends ont he venue | Aug 03 14:45 |
| no, but being non free makes it a pain, always. | Aug 03 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | There are sites dedicated to bugs | Aug 03 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Then there's news. | Aug 03 14:45 |
| cj | oiaohm: SFLC is interested in petitioning the US lawmakers to fix or remove US patents | Aug 03 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux has no marketing | Aug 03 14:45 |
| that's good, this is not one of them. | Aug 03 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | Some people advocate it | Aug 03 14:45 |
| cj | hmm? what about the penguin? is that not marketing? | Aug 03 14:45 |
| oiaohm | No marketing is not correct. | Aug 03 14:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I think it is | Aug 03 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Linux foundation does have a marketing arm. | Aug 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Linux per se has no marketing | Aug 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Aug 03 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Just not that effective. | Aug 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Well, LF... | Aug 03 14:46 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: to be clear, I do not think RMS is a looney. I consider him a friend, for the record. | Aug 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I don't fancy their use of shills like IDC... | Aug 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | But I guess that's a fair point, they do marketing now. | Aug 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | They do it like the unethical companies do it | Aug 03 14:46 |
| ThistleWeb | cj I was talking about you | Aug 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather view the FSF as the centre, not LF | Aug 03 14:46 |
| ThistleWeb | but I guess you didn't spot that | Aug 03 14:46 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: ah, right. thanks for clearing that up. | Aug 03 14:46 |
| oiaohm | SFLC petition we will support. | Aug 03 14:47 |
| schestowitz | LF is correspondent to just a portion of the Free OSes | Aug 03 14:47 |
| ThistleWeb | or wanted to continue to disrupt this channel | Aug 03 14:47 |
| cj | ThistleWeb: no, I thought personal attacks was grounds for kicking, so I figured you weren't doing that. | Aug 03 14:47 |
| It's funny how people find software freedom. | Aug 03 14:47 | |
| cj | ThistleWeb: but perhaps that's only when one is perceived to aim such attacks at schestowitz. | Aug 03 14:47 |
| Sometimes it is for cost savings. | Aug 03 14:47 | |
| ThistleWeb | I was declining the offer to be associated with a looney | Aug 03 14:47 |
| Sometimes it's for function and features. | Aug 03 14:47 | |
| Sometimes it's for performance. | Aug 03 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: "we come in peace" [alien crosses fingers] | Aug 03 14:48 |
| Occasionally, it's because people want software that's just right. | Aug 03 14:48 | |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 03 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Part of open source development is openly asking for things to be fixed as well. | Aug 03 14:49 |
| ThistleWeb | like asking for mono to be neutered? | Aug 03 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes is the open source project responce. | Aug 03 14:49 |
| ThistleWeb | or is this a different "fixed"? | Aug 03 14:49 |
| As I've said before, Ohm, the place for that is elsewhere. | Aug 03 14:50 | |
| oiaohm | Bug repairs ThistleWeb | Aug 03 14:50 |
| ThistleWeb | oiaohm: I know lol | Aug 03 14:50 |
| What's interesting is that the reason people come to free software does not matter so much. They always come to understand the benefits in time. | Aug 03 14:51 | |
| oiaohm | I track things twitter. I use them to forcast how the next 1 years to 5 years play out. | Aug 03 14:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I used to use yahoo chat years ago, where they had smileys to help convey fun.....I'll really need to learn more text smileys | Aug 03 14:51 |
| ThistleWeb | :/ | Aug 03 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Part of working that out require seeing the bugs. Some bugs are more key than others. | Aug 03 14:51 |
| I see you as a non free spinner, Ohm. | Aug 03 14:52 | |
| always a distraction, never terribly useful. | Aug 03 14:52 | |
| oiaohm | You don't follow the art of war twitter. | Aug 03 14:53 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter don't follow very much, before deciding it's a troll and ignrores it | Aug 03 14:53 |
| oiaohm | To work out how the next year will play out you need to understand the strenths and weaknesses on both sides twitter. | Aug 03 14:54 |
| oiaohm | The video card issues are being major distrubitions to uptake. | Aug 03 14:55 |
| oiaohm | So far I have not seen a single killer feature in Windows 7. | Aug 03 14:56 |
| ThistleWeb | there's xp mode in some versions, which makes it better than vista, but not a selling point over xp | Aug 03 14:56 |
| ThistleWeb | most of their market are xp holdouts | Aug 03 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Only reason why Windows 7 is going to get any market is simply lack of the other sides having there act fully toeghter. | Aug 03 14:57 |
| ThistleWeb | most of whom will need new hardware to run windows 7 | Aug 03 14:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rethinkdb.com/ Another new one... | Aug 03 14:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: there are no killer features | Aug 03 14:58 |
| schestowitz | is there a list of selling points for Vista 7? | Aug 03 14:58 |
| ThistleWeb | hence the "just buy a new PC every 5 years" angle, which will come with windows 7 | Aug 03 14:58 |
| ThistleWeb | and MS will use to say "hey look, customers want windows 7" | Aug 03 14:58 |
| schestowitz | I've yet to see something significant other than hype from Windows enthusiasts who downloaded it | Aug 03 14:58 |
| oiaohm | killer features/selling points basically the same thing. | Aug 03 14:58 |
| here's what I came to see. -> schestowitz: 2007 brought the Vista disaster and then Ribbon Mess, Two cash cows down for thew count | Aug 03 14:58 | |
| It will be interesting to see how bad Vista 7 and M$ Office results will be over the next year. | Aug 03 14:59 | |
| schestowitz | > ThistleWeb> hence the "just buy a new PC every 5 years" | Aug 03 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Not anymore | Aug 03 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Those businesses that are not out of the streets start counting expenses | Aug 03 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Linux does have a few killer features. But they are being off set by the negivitives at this stage. | Aug 03 15:00 |
| schestowitz | And they don't need a new PC for GNU/Linux migrations | Aug 03 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Macs for business are rare, esp. outside the 'world' (US) | Aug 03 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Over the next year hopefully Linux killer features will out weight the negivites blocking people. | Aug 03 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Fast start up is going to be a popular one. | Aug 03 15:00 |
| ThistleWeb | Macs are only found in pro editing buinesses like magazines, ad agencies etc | Aug 03 15:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: familiarity is not an 9inherent negative | Aug 03 15:01 |
| ThistleWeb | neither window or linux will dent their end users machine share | Aug 03 15:01 |
| schestowitz | When people say "Linux sucks" cause CTRL+ALT+DEL brings no "task manager", that's no flaw in Linux | Aug 03 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I've seen it, trust me | Aug 03 15:01 |
| ThistleWeb | they have every chance as backends, but not end user workstations | Aug 03 15:01 |
| oiaohm | That is part graphical stack schestowitz. | Aug 03 15:02 |
| schestowitz | x | Aug 03 15:02 |
| schestowitz | ctrl+alt+bs no longer words | Aug 03 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Current graphical drivers you could not really map CTRL+ALT+DEL to work like windows. | Aug 03 15:02 |
| schestowitz | *Works | Aug 03 15:02 |
| schestowitz | li | Aug 03 15:02 |
| oiaohm | ctrl-alt-bs was removed from X11 for good reason. | Aug 03 15:02 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: good luck with consistency b/w updates/clean installs | Aug 03 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Assigning to SAK using loadkeys in kernel. | Aug 03 15:03 |
| schestowitz | unless you merge it upstream | Aug 03 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Is way more dependable. | Aug 03 15:03 |
| schestowitz | OR....... | Aug 03 15:03 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 03 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Just teach new shortcuts | Aug 03 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Take user and show him/her | Aug 03 15:03 |
| schestowitz | "see?? CTRL+ALT+ESC" | Aug 03 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Basically X11 removed ctrl-alt-bs because it was duplicating a kernel feature. | Aug 03 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Found in Freebsd solarias and Linux. | Aug 03 15:03 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I remember Matt Hartley hitting it by accident and killing X | Aug 03 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Distributions are really gulity over ctrl-alt-backspace not keeping on working. | Aug 03 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | so what does ctrl+alt+esc do ? | Aug 03 15:04 |
| schestowitz | It's too imediate, no prompt | Aug 03 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont wanna do it while in chat | Aug 03 15:04 |
| schestowitz | *imme | Aug 03 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | reboot? | Aug 03 15:04 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: in KDE | Aug 03 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Ksysguard | Aug 03 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | k | Aug 03 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I have done some combo of the 3 finger salute before and it rebooted on me | Aug 03 15:05 |
| ThistleWeb | cant remember which one | Aug 03 15:05 |
| schestowitz | KDE after verson 3.1 has a smart thing.. | Aug 03 15:05 |
| schestowitz | After freezes it recommends killing processes | Aug 03 15:05 |
| ThistleWeb | unfortunatley I had open documents at the time | Aug 03 15:05 |
| schestowitz | So Joe and Jane need to know nothing about CTRL+ALT+anything | Aug 03 15:05 |
| ThistleWeb | hence I'm wary lol | Aug 03 15:05 |
| schestowitz | GNOME had that in older versions | Aug 03 15:05 |
| schestowitz | 2.12... Ubuntu 4.10 had it | Aug 03 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Cant' recall which GNOME.. early 2 | Aug 03 15:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I didn't expect it to do that, or at least give me a warning about open documents | Aug 03 15:06 |
| Hmm, nice articles this morning, Roy. | Aug 03 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | KDE gives warning when shutting down | Aug 03 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Does WIndows have an option to restore sessions at all? | Aug 03 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Any PowerTOys for that:? | Aug 03 15:06 |
| ThistleWeb | dont think so | Aug 03 15:06 |
| ThistleWeb | you can do a system restore | Aug 03 15:07 |
| schestowitz | twitter: thanks | Aug 03 15:07 |
| ThistleWeb | but thats a different thing | Aug 03 15:07 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: SAK in kernel for security reasons does not prompt either. | Aug 03 15:07 |
| ThistleWeb | and reliant on MS's system restore app which is up to MS's usual quality | Aug 03 15:07 |
| schestowitz | kernel level won't obey App level | Aug 03 15:07 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: recommend SAK key combination is Ctrl+alt+pause lot harder to hit by mistake. | Aug 03 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Might work the opposite way though | Aug 03 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Linux doesn't know about app state in some DE | Aug 03 15:08 |
| schestowitz | It just runs processes | Aug 03 15:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not sure all keyboards already have that key | Aug 03 15:08 |
| oiaohm | SAK is assignable by loadkeys | Aug 03 15:09 |
| oiaohm | SAK is kernel level that kills everything connect to the current terminal. | Aug 03 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Might Zend be bought by IBM? http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/07/prweb2681274.htm | Aug 03 15:09 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: IBM bought SPSS IIRC | Aug 03 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Including X11 when it locked solid and will not answer cntrl-alt-backspace. | Aug 03 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They are in a shopping spree sweeping up companies that suffer | Aug 03 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Duplication sneeked in. | Aug 03 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Why did mdz make noise about this? http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 | Aug 03 15:11 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: thats a risky game that could go either way, you buy stuff cheap that wil take off later (you hope) or buy stuff that was on the brink of failure anyway and the current climate has only brought to pass, and waste your investment | Aug 03 15:11 |
| schestowitz | They should rename IBM "Big Red" | Aug 03 15:11 |
| schestowitz | it's like computing communism | Aug 03 15:11 |
| schestowitz | But they have other titans like Oracle, still | Aug 03 15:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess it's like a numbers game, buy enough, and those who win will outnumber those who lose in overall profits | Aug 03 15:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090730005073&newsLang=en | Aug 03 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: nice post there | Aug 03 15:16 |
| schestowitz | DRM is not needed though. Look at watermarking | Aug 03 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Hmm SPSS is also in the earth quake prediction game as well schestowitz. | Aug 03 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Wonder if IBM might try getting into the huge wave predicting business. | Aug 03 15:17 |
| schestowitz | DRM is foolish because it will work as much as ISP bans and stuff. People will just unload stuff via storage devices like DRM will be stripped. Since tapes people have attempted to stop spreading with limited success and now they try with digital books (DRM) to control how libraries work | Aug 03 15:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: spss is many things | Aug 03 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Was the value disclosed. iirc, over a billion | Aug 03 15:18 |
| oiaohm | How much do you think knowing when a earth quake is coming is to a large data center is worth. | Aug 03 15:19 |
| ThistleWeb | knwoing to back up ASAP | Aug 03 15:19 |
| ThistleWeb | and to where | Aug 03 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Worth a lot more than what IBM paid for SPSS. | Aug 03 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Its also knowing what drives to park too ThistleWeb | Aug 03 15:20 |
| ThistleWeb | although, a data center should have a backup program with multiple layers of failsafes already built into the DNA | Aug 03 15:20 |
| oiaohm | If you can take stuff off line planed you have lot less risk of issue. | Aug 03 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Compared to unplanned. | Aug 03 15:21 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd question the suitability of a data center admin if they didn't have all that already in action | Aug 03 15:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: wasn't a lot of data lost permanently in 9/11? | Aug 03 15:21 |
| schestowitz | As I remember it, a lot was lost. Separation to cities helps | Aug 03 15:21 |
| schestowitz | BN server is located where earthquakes are not rare | Aug 03 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Lot of companies went out of business in 9/11 due to data loss. Others went out of business due to not being able to aford MS software and others because key staff were dead. | Aug 03 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Mix bag of problems. | Aug 03 15:23 |
| oiaohm | 9/11 created a lot of good case studies. | Aug 03 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Well, that's ambiguous | Aug 03 15:23 |
| ThistleWeb | how not to land a plane | Aug 03 15:24 |
| schestowitz | You can interpret this in SO many ways | Aug 03 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Lot of case studies from 9/11 I use to explain the need for using like ODF formats for long term storage. | Aug 03 15:24 |
| schestowitz | That's different | Aug 03 15:24 |
| schestowitz | ODF is not for replicatiomn | Aug 03 15:24 |
| schestowitz | it's for curation | Aug 03 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Companies that were using good formats for long term storage lived threw 9/11 better. | Aug 03 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Durability | Aug 03 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Reason did not need to buy programs to access there data. | Aug 03 15:25 |
| oiaohm | No point just replicating your data if you don't have the software to access it. | Aug 03 15:25 |
| schestowitz | ODF might be moe important if after a flood your records turn out to be 10y-y-o | Aug 03 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Some companies died because of that in 9/11 | Aug 03 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Yes they had replicated the data right. | Aug 03 15:25 |
| ThistleWeb | 2001 was a different era to today in terms of usability of many FOSS projects though | Aug 03 15:25 |
| oiaohm | But the information to access there bank accounts and the like were locked up in closed soruce formats. | Aug 03 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that too.. | Aug 03 15:26 |
| ThistleWeb | many which are ready now would not have been back then | Aug 03 15:26 |
| schestowitz | It's complicated enough when a father dies.... | Aug 03 15:26 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's a kinda moot point | Aug 03 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Even worse when companies wiped out.. | Aug 03 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Always good to make a master password and hand over to a next of kin | Aug 03 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Or your company has had a major stuff up. | Aug 03 15:26 |
| ThistleWeb | as far as history is concerned anyway | Aug 03 15:27 |
| oiaohm | I really do like Linux for its live cd functionality. | Aug 03 15:27 |
| oiaohm | So lot of cases badly harmed systems still can be used to do business. | Aug 03 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Big wars are another issue of lost paper trail in banking, reclaimed money, etc. Even people hijacking the houses of dead people. | Aug 03 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Really a war is a good example. | Aug 03 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Priorities change | Aug 03 15:29 |
| schestowitz | We had no major disaster in many years | Aug 03 15:29 |
| oiaohm | If you were depending on guns and ammo from 1 company. If someone takes out that company you are in trouble. | Aug 03 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Not like the tsunamis and earthquakes and Asia | Aug 03 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Companies become complacent. | Aug 03 15:30 |
| schestowitz | They think of disaster recovery as some scenario of a bad sector in the HDD | Aug 03 15:30 |
| oiaohm | tsunamis could hit the USA. | Aug 03 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Not a burned down DC or a nuclear rocket on a town | Aug 03 15:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, but haven't to the same extent | Aug 03 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Or meteors can hit the ocean | Aug 03 15:30 |
| oiaohm | The large storm that hit you recently. | Aug 03 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Happened not so long ago in astronomical scales | Aug 03 15:31 |
| ThistleWeb | companies dont think of prevention, they think of insurance | Aug 03 15:31 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: heh. | Aug 03 15:31 |
| oiaohm | USA is over due for a tsuname | Aug 03 15:31 |
| ThistleWeb | of who to sue, rather than how to prevent and recover | Aug 03 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Until the insurance companies turn out to be broke too | Aug 03 15:31 |
| schestowitz | And then yell "bailllllllllllllouuuuuut!!!!' | Aug 03 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Note tsumamis don't need earthquakes. | Aug 03 15:31 |
| schestowitz | So the insurance is us | Aug 03 15:31 |
| oiaohm | They can be sub ocaen land slip. | Aug 03 15:31 |
| schestowitz | We 'insure' the insurance companies | Aug 03 15:32 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, to the tune of Wipeout, complete with their tickets to Hawaii booked and their surf shorts on | Aug 03 15:32 |
| schestowitz | when they go belly-up we insure them and funnel some money over | Aug 03 15:32 |
| oiaohm | New york is lined up perfectly for one. | Aug 03 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Why not just east coat in general? | Aug 03 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Or the Pacific side.? More likely. | Aug 03 15:33 |
| schestowitz | It's only "news" if it happens in the west | Aug 03 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Like Katrina | Aug 03 15:33 |
| schestowitz | That's news | Aug 03 15:33 |
| oiaohm | There has been better detailed sonar scans around new york. | Aug 03 15:33 |
| schestowitz | But not when it happens in Chian | Aug 03 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Why I don't know. | Aug 03 15:33 |
| ThistleWeb | Cali is doing more damage to the environment, so in all likelyhood it'll reap some disaster before the other coast | Aug 03 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Governator will save everything. | Aug 03 15:34 |
| ThistleWeb | Cali is also struggling for money | Aug 03 15:34 |
| ThistleWeb | which is a damning endictment considering it hosts the premier (in terms on world brands) music, movie and software industries | Aug 03 15:35 |
| ThistleWeb | yet it's struggling for cash | Aug 03 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Sony Delivers Five FOSS Filmmaking Apps, Adding to Existing Ones < http://ostatic.com/blog/sony-delivers-five-foss-filmmaking-apps-adding-to-existing-ones > <--------this may be handy | Aug 03 15:36 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: IIRC, $2.1tr i debt | Aug 03 15:36 |
| oiaohm | The most insane thing is building a bio research lab in torado ally. | Aug 03 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 3, can't remember... bring home the troops... support the troops, bring em home | Aug 03 15:37 |
| ThistleWeb | of course, Cali cash is different from Cali CORP cash, and Cali govt cash to spend on it's people | Aug 03 15:37 |
| ThistleWeb | I do know there's more and more outcry about govt workers not being paid, or being paid in IOUs | Aug 03 15:37 |
| ThistleWeb | because the state can't afford their wages | Aug 03 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Google's value is miniscule compared to CA's debt | Aug 03 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | Idn't Oracle also based in CA? | Aug 03 15:38 |
| schestowitz | SUN was | Aug 03 15:38 |
| schestowitz | If they sold em all (say to China), that would only pay like 10% of the debt | Aug 03 15:38 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of large corps have their funnels offices in tax havens | Aug 03 15:38 |
| schestowitz | So they pass on the debt to their grandchildren, in essense | Aug 03 15:38 |
| ThistleWeb | to ensure they hardly pay a bean in tax, while expecting the average Joe to pay full | Aug 03 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sets up a new HQ in Portugal | Aug 03 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Finance from Ireland | Aug 03 15:39 |
| oiaohm | There is one company China would have a interest in that is in CA. | Aug 03 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Love the globalisation thing! :-) Gotta love it | Aug 03 15:39 |
| oiaohm | The one big solar plant producing company. | Aug 03 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Foxxconn could but its commandeers | Aug 03 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Bring the management over to China where it suits them better | Aug 03 15:40 |
| schestowitz | To China, using dollars never made political sense | Aug 03 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Soon enough it won't make economic sense, either | Aug 03 15:40 |
| schestowitz | They don't need to trade via London/NY | Aug 03 15:40 |
| oiaohm | China soon might own the world. | Aug 03 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Purely threw debt. | Aug 03 15:41 |
| schestowitz | They figured out how they get scammed. I hear they build up extended next generation | Aug 03 15:41 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Sorry, which post were you referring to? | Aug 03 15:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: lastest | Aug 03 15:41 |
| schestowitz | *latest | Aug 03 15:41 |
| _goblin | Blog or NG? | Aug 03 15:41 |
| schestowitz | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/you-know-you-have-made-it-when/ | Aug 03 15:42 |
| _goblin | thanks.... | Aug 03 15:42 |
| _goblin | appreciated. | Aug 03 15:42 |
| _goblin | Its Moshe again.... | Aug 03 15:42 |
| schestowitz | When the personal attacks starts it means you won the techical argument | Aug 03 15:42 |
| schestowitz | There's no "Moshe" | Aug 03 15:42 |
| schestowitz | It's Gary M Stewart | Aug 03 15:42 |
| schestowitz | with his ~500 pseudonyms | Aug 03 15:43 |
| _goblin | surprisingly he didn't visit my blog and comment. | Aug 03 15:43 |
| _goblin | have we a photo of Gary? | Aug 03 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26665/1231/ | Aug 03 15:46 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes | Aug 03 15:46 |
| _goblin | is it on your site? | Aug 03 15:46 |
| schestowitz | A joke rather | Aug 03 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, old one. | Aug 03 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Amusement/images/flatfish-homepage.png | Aug 03 15:47 |
| schestowitz | That's how he's mentally visualised | Aug 03 15:47 |
| _goblin | lol | Aug 03 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | There's more funny stuff here: http://schestowitz.com/Amusement/ | Aug 03 15:48 |
| _goblin | mind if I use it for an up coming article? | Aug 03 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Not been updated in ages BTW. I reckon that homepage on Geocities that I have (scroll down) will vanish with cronYahoo! | Aug 03 15:48 |
| _goblin | credit will be given | Aug 03 15:48 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: sure. Just make sure people know it's a satirivcal | Aug 03 15:49 |
| _goblin | lol....always do..... | Aug 03 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.coulisses-tv.fr/medias/images/emissions/france2/fort.boyard.2009/banniere.concours.fort.boyard.jpg | Aug 03 15:52 |
| _goblin | Since there are people spending time actively watching these logs, can I just say......Look forward to the article of Moshe.....there's a few things that people won't know about him... | Aug 03 15:56 |
| schestowitz | There's no "moshe" | Aug 03 15:57 |
| _goblin | yes I know. | Aug 03 15:57 |
| schestowitz | you can put that in quotes... flatfish goes over a decade back | Aug 03 15:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM Vice President on his transition to GNU/Linux on the desktop (overview): http://ping.fm/oj8Iy | Aug 03 15:57 | |
| schestowitz | Might be another Barkto | Aug 03 15:57 |
| _goblin | he does have an IP though.....and I've been given it. | Aug 03 15:57 |
| schestowitz | The one which was not exposed yet | Aug 03 15:57 |
| _goblin | which has led me to other routes..... | Aug 03 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Many Microsoft shills are said to be using comcast | Aug 03 15:58 |
| _goblin | including some very interesting "off-duty" browsing habits..... | Aug 03 15:58 |
| schestowitz | It's not just me seeing this pattern. Others reported it too | Aug 03 15:58 |
| _goblin | just have to confirm sources.... | Aug 03 15:58 |
| _goblin | and double check. | Aug 03 15:58 |
| _goblin | I asked for a photo of Gary because someone has sent me one claiming its him. | Aug 03 15:59 |
| _goblin | I wanted to know if it was the same person. | Aug 03 15:59 |
| schestowitz | it's funny to see manager types wrestling with sys-admining: http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3830 | Aug 03 15:59 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: careful of fakers | Aug 03 15:59 |
| _goblin | yep. | Aug 03 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Gary and his lackeys try to poison people | Aug 03 16:00 |
| schestowitz | They tried this with me | Aug 03 16:00 |
| schestowitz | I sniffed under the assumption it was fake | Aug 03 16:00 |
| schestowitz | And then I was deliberately given stuff that overlaps with reality | Aug 03 16:00 |
| _goblin | I may just use a picture of a garden slug to represent him..... | Aug 03 16:00 |
| _goblin | thats probably more accurate anyway. | Aug 03 16:00 |
| schestowitz | As if to say, "look, it's almost like the truth you know about... plus some poison" | Aug 03 16:00 |
| schestowitz | If it's another barkto, it would really be something | Aug 03 16:01 |
| schestowitz | There's lots of stuff that shows how Barkto did his slime jobs for Microsoft | Aug 03 16:01 |
| schestowitz | ANd the company can now be sued for it royally by other companies, class action | Aug 03 16:01 |
| _goblin | Ive spent 3 months so far looking into the case of Moshe....I won't release the article prematurely. | Aug 03 16:01 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurfing is illegal in EU and US now | Aug 03 16:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: did you listen to latest LO show? | Aug 03 16:02 |
| schestowitz | "Linux In-laws" | Aug 03 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Very funny | Aug 03 16:02 |
| schestowitz | fabs something acts far too silly, but maybe it's a matter of taste | Aug 03 16:03 |
| schestowitz | http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/ | Aug 03 16:06 |
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| _goblin | sorry AFK there.... | Aug 03 16:14 |
| _goblin | no I havent yet.....any good? | Aug 03 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 16:21 |
| schestowitz | A lot of companies are using GNU/Linux as a leverage to get discounts from software vendors. " http://www.idreamoflinux.com/2009/08/at-expense-of-gnulinux_02.html | Aug 03 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Had Linux not been good this would not work | Aug 03 16:22 |
| schestowitz | A lot of kids use icecream to urge the parents to take them for a proper meal | Aug 03 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | HTC now says 2009 revenue will fall < http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HTC-revenue-report/?kc=rss > | Aug 03 16:29 |
| schestowitz | henry Kingman seems to have vanished from eweek | Aug 03 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | CentOS: Getting Their S#!t Together is a Top Priority < http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=10790 > | Aug 03 16:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] For those who foolishly believe that "Net Applications" means something, read this: http://ping.fm/RLYqC | Aug 03 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | When will people finally wake up and realise that Net Applications has Microsoft and Apple as customers [fact] and their key guy Hopkins used to work for a company that Microsoft bought? Vested interests... helllllllo? | Aug 03 16:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wow! "[...] all of the members of the European Union (EU) are required [...] Linux-based software exclusively" http://ping.fm/XMqEx | Aug 03 16:45 | |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: /dev layout cleanup < http://www.archlinux.org/news/454/ > | Aug 03 16:50 |
| PetoKraus | yup | Aug 03 16:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In The Age Of FLOSS And Web 2.0 - Part 1 http://ping.fm/0ncKY | Aug 03 16:52 | |
| schestowitz | Chemistry Graphics Hassle on Ubuntu < http://bridgeheadcarbons.blogspot.com/2009/08/chemistry-graphics-hassle-on-ubuntu.html > | Aug 03 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | Sound on Linux Anti-FUD: Calm, Certainty and Confidence < http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/08/sound-on-linux-anti-fud-calm-certainty-and-confidence/ > | Aug 03 16:56 |
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| ThistleWeb | nothing like the recording industry to look after it's artists and do their bidding huh> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8181540.stm | Aug 03 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | "I begged them not to release the track but they did so anyway without my consent" | Aug 03 17:04 |
| schestowitz | :-) :-) | Aug 03 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Here's the thing | Aug 03 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Attribution is needed and monetary transcation tooo, BUT........... | Aug 03 17:04 |
| schestowitz | [Big but] | Aug 03 17:04 |
| schestowitz | All music is a copy of something | Aug 03 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Art likewise | Aug 03 17:05 |
| schestowitz | It's influences | Aug 03 17:05 |
| ThistleWeb | all creative stuff is | Aug 03 17:05 |
| schestowitz | If someone grows up on Marvin Gaye, then he or she is likely to use similar beats | Aug 03 17:05 |
| schestowitz | The singing stuff too | Aug 03 17:05 |
| schestowitz | So what constitutes "original" is iffy ground | Aug 03 17:05 |
| schestowitz | It's like patent vs copyright | Aug 03 17:05 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Aug 03 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | nothing is created in a vacuum | Aug 03 17:06 |
| schestowitz | When Oates get pissed off cause people do renditions of I Can't Go For THat, fine. | Aug 03 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Then there's fair use of sample used in rap tracks | Aug 03 17:06 |
| schestowitz | That's a dodgy one | Aug 03 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | FOSS makes a virtue of "standing on the shoulders of giants" where others try to hide it and claim credit for others | Aug 03 17:06 |
| schestowitz | If you take 3 seconds from a Sting tune and play it in a loop, is that 'stealing'? | Aug 03 17:06 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: well, it's realistic | Aug 03 17:07 |
| ThistleWeb | depends, does your 3 seconds magically disappear from every copy of the original? | Aug 03 17:07 |
| schestowitz | We have processing power (brain) | Aug 03 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Brain gets input | Aug 03 17:07 |
| ThistleWeb | if so, leaving it 3 secs shorter then it is stealing | Aug 03 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Makes output | Aug 03 17:07 |
| schestowitz | We call it creativity, but it's just a mashup of stuff we have in the neural system | Aug 03 17:08 |
| schestowitz | So to merely THINK or REMEMBER somethng can be copyright violation | Aug 03 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Esp. if put in paper/tape and then passed on to a peer/friend | Aug 03 17:08 |
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| ThistleWeb | even how they are marketted should be a clear point | Aug 03 17:11 |
| ThistleWeb | "yeah we're like the stone roses with a bit of jameriqui" | Aug 03 17:12 |
| schestowitz | It becomes a philosophical isue | Aug 03 17:12 |
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| ThistleWeb | they don't get that style from thin air | Aug 03 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Laws are not defined by nature | Aug 03 17:12 |
| ThistleWeb | they get that because they like both bands | Aug 03 17:12 |
| ThistleWeb | they are influenced by the sounds of both bands | Aug 03 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Except laws of nature that can be assumed since time is said to have begun Big Bang) | Aug 03 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Laws in human terms are also an evolutionary thing | Aug 03 17:12 |
| schestowitz | And copyrights too | Aug 03 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Patent law is fairly new | Aug 03 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Created recently in human civilisation terms | Aug 03 17:13 |
| schestowitz | To incentivise small inventors | Aug 03 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Now it's a walfare system for lawyers | Aug 03 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Time to dismantle it | Aug 03 17:13 |
| schestowitz | As for copyrights--similar | Aug 03 17:13 |
| schestowitz | RMS explains it well | Aug 03 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | People need to go back to days when you had to manually cooy stuff | Aug 03 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | laws written in a language the normal peeps cant read ensures that translators (lwayers) will always have a job | Aug 03 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | lawyers* | Aug 03 17:14 |
| schestowitz | You'd take a scroll or whatever and write it all down | Aug 03 17:14 |
| schestowitz | The bible was deformed and merged in this wat | Aug 03 17:14 |
| schestowitz | No copyright | Aug 03 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Shakespeare is mostly 'stolen' work | Aug 03 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | they do have a point where the ease and quality of the copy is different | Aug 03 17:14 |
| schestowitz | And nowadays we have digital storage | Aug 03 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Not just printing powerhouses | Aug 03 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | now you can create an identical digital copy in a flash, compared to spending weeks hand writing something | Aug 03 17:15 |
| schestowitz | They try to make digital work ADAPT to THEIR old system of privilege through intelectual monopolies | Aug 03 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Rather than the other way around | Aug 03 17:15 |
| schestowitz | As in, asking what technology offers us in terms of business models | Aug 03 17:15 |
| schestowitz | TechDirt is an excellent source for such stuff | Aug 03 17:15 |
| ThistleWeb | before when you copied a VHS the quality wasn't as good as the original, it also got worse with each subsequent copy | Aug 03 17:16 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: < laws written in a language the normal peeps cant read ensures that translators (lwayers) will always have a job > | Aug 03 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Same with dentists and barbers | Aug 03 17:16 |
| ThistleWeb | same with tapes | Aug 03 17:16 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno about barbers | Aug 03 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Not exactly the same | Aug 03 17:16 |
| ThistleWeb | medical professions yes | Aug 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Analogy of expertise where it can be obviated | Aug 03 17:17 |
| ThistleWeb | although medical professions have a value to society | Aug 03 17:17 |
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| ThistleWeb | beyond enriching those in it | Aug 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Many people have short hair these days. They can just buy a shaver/hair-cutting machine | Aug 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Women are a different issue | Aug 03 17:17 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I have clippers | Aug 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | For issues of fashion | Aug 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | When is it that women started to differ from men in hair length? | Aug 03 17:18 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, I have offered to clipper womens hair.....so far I ain't had a single "alright then" | Aug 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Going many years back it seems to have stuck somehow, for no natural reason. | Aug 03 17:18 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Think about it | Aug 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | We should not take it for granted | Aug 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Like asking, why is the sky blue | Aug 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | There are usuallt reasons | Aug 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | A second too is a meaningful emausre | Aug 03 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Day slices to 24 chunks, then divided by 60 and 60 again | Aug 03 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Not sure where "meter" (other than metric system) came from. | Aug 03 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Did the French just decide arbitrarily what a meter will be? | Aug 03 17:19 |
| schestowitz | And why hair length changes rather than cultural heredity? | Aug 03 17:19 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno, maybe we should find someone from France and ask them | Aug 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Wikipedia has an answer | Aug 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | There are many similar questions actually | Aug 03 17:20 |
| ThistleWeb | damn that wikipedia, I wanted an all expenses paid trip to France for that mission | Aug 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Things we take for granted like people's shaving of facial hair, women shaving their legs, etc. | Aug 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Aug 03 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Girls getting VERY skinny | Aug 03 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Some years ago it would be considered ugly | Aug 03 17:21 |
| ThistleWeb | that's engrained to make us look more appealing to the opposite sex, as the media have taught us what they want | Aug 03 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Many years ago being what we now call fat/obese was source of envy | Aug 03 17:21 |
| ThistleWeb | of course the media's job, specially the fashion media's job is to sell this years clothes | Aug 03 17:22 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, media | Aug 03 17:22 |
| schestowitz | But that's culture-selling | Aug 03 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Do you think bald dogs look better? | Aug 03 17:22 |
| schestowitz | If not, why not? | Aug 03 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Well, fashion industry has a job of ahcnaging fashion | Aug 03 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Only this way can they make the old needing replacement | Aug 03 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | those clothes you spent a fortune on last year and have only worn a few tines, you'll be mocked by your peers if you wear them, but go buy this new stuff and you'll be accepted | Aug 03 17:23 |
| schestowitz | So the cycle of planned obsolescence is endless | Aug 03 17:23 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, cause Posh ans Bech don't wear em now | Aug 03 17:23 |
| schestowitz | And then Beck shaves his head | Aug 03 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | the fashion industry is full of peeps who make the clothes telling their shmucks what to wear, which coincidentally is what they make | Aug 03 17:23 |
| schestowitz | And a nation of Englishmen follows | Aug 03 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah true | Aug 03 17:24 |
| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/08/google-reveals-plans-for-chrome-cloud-synchronization.ars | Aug 03 17:24 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what is cloud? | Aug 03 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like something for weather control that Google is doing | Aug 03 17:24 |
| ThistleWeb | the odd thing is, the peeps who can afford the prices, ie the celebs, are the ones who are often paid to wear them, and given the clothes | Aug 03 17:24 |
| ThistleWeb | so they can be seen in the right places and trigger a wave of copycats | Aug 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Put it in the next Kyoto treaty: need more cloud synchronisation | Aug 03 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | copycats who will spend 6mths wages on a dress just because Posh wore it | Aug 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: Ellsion compared cloud to fashion | Aug 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | He said it's all jargon filled | Aug 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | THey change names and they market it | Aug 03 17:25 |
| trmanco | http://wordpress.org/development/2009/08/wordpress-2-8-3-security-release/ | Aug 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Cloud becomes dominant by the very defintion of it | Aug 03 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | I still reckon an ideal name for a cloud OS is MonkeyOS | Aug 03 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | after the 70's TV show | Aug 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | You declare a move to cloud computing, make noise about it and then say you have mastered it | Aug 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | RMS called it the same | Aug 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Soemthijg like "marketing hype" | Aug 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | He said this to the Guardian originally IIRC | Aug 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | PexOS | Aug 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | PezOS | Aug 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | It's a dispenser of live CDs | Aug 03 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Live USB sticks in a hand sized Pez dispenser | Aug 03 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Darn. 3 WordPress updates again | Aug 03 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Matt Lee quit WordPress cause of that update nuisance | Aug 03 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 03 17:28 |
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| ThistleWeb | would you rather have the MS genius of patch Tuesday? | Aug 03 17:28 |
| trmanco | "You are using WordPress 2.8.3. " | Aug 03 17:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's CEO Leaves Apple's Board Of Directors http://ping.fm/hwZXr | Aug 03 17:33 | |
| tacone | conflict of interests | Aug 03 17:34 |
| schestowitz | About time | Aug 03 17:34 |
| schestowitz | He uses BlackBerry IIRC | Aug 03 17:34 |
| schestowitz | But many in Google use Macs, even iphones | Aug 03 17:34 |
| tacone | you can't be inside 2 evil companies at the same time :P | Aug 03 17:34 |
| tacone | (i love google, btw) | Aug 03 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Some use GNU/Linux of course, esp. engineers | Aug 03 17:34 |
| tacone | i have iphone as well O:-) | Aug 03 17:34 |
| tacone | well, they have gubuntu | Aug 03 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Google treads carefully so far... but it shills and lobbies too | Aug 03 17:35 |
| tacone | or gobuntu or how they call it | Aug 03 17:35 |
| tacone | google's custom ubuntu. | Aug 03 17:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] AP Charges $12.50 To Quote 5 Words http://ping.fm/thTqH It's suicidal for AP | Aug 03 17:36 | |
| ThistleWeb | google have a lot of OS's in their offices | Aug 03 17:39 |
| ThistleWeb | from what I know, every employee has their choice | Aug 03 17:39 |
| ThistleWeb | god luv'um, some pick windows | Aug 03 17:39 |
| schestowitz | the marketingf folks | Aug 03 17:40 |
| schestowitz | But they moved to Google Apps | Aug 03 17:40 |
| schestowitz | This removed many barriers | Aug 03 17:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Those Who Don't Use GNU/Linux (or BSD) Let Companies Use Them http://ping.fm/leeXR | Aug 03 17:40 | |
| schestowitz | When you use Gmail and Docs, then you just need Firefox or something for most things | Aug 03 17:40 |
| ThistleWeb | I think Google work along the lines of "work in whatever OS you feel familiar with" | Aug 03 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Engineers need their Google wares (proprietary) | Aug 03 17:40 |
| tacone | yup, i saw them using iMacs in a conference (administrative girls, not devs). they were using google apps to keep track of the partecipants | Aug 03 17:41 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter what they use in the Googleplex all their customer facing stuff is Linux | Aug 03 17:42 |
| tacone | and all their customer desktop apps are for windows :) | Aug 03 17:42 |
| ThistleWeb | I found where they got the name googleplex too | Aug 03 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Ha | Aug 03 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Google Code... | Aug 03 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Google Plex | Aug 03 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Mix and match... | Aug 03 17:43 |
| ThistleWeb | hitchikers guide to the galaxy, the scene with Deep Thought | Aug 03 17:43 |
| ThistleWeb | where he's asking about other super computers | Aug 03 17:44 |
| schestowitz | There's the gPL | Aug 03 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Google Public Licence | Aug 03 17:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Desktop Gets Eye Candy Even with Mesa http://ping.fm/bzQo5 | Aug 03 17:44 | |
| ThistleWeb | googleplex is mentioned | Aug 03 17:44 |
| schestowitz | versus the MSPL | Aug 03 17:44 |
| schestowitz | ms-PL | Aug 03 17:44 |
| ThistleWeb | a strange coincidence just occurred to me about MS, it means short for 2 separate things, neither of whom are a picture of health | Aug 03 17:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU Hurd Still Alive and Progressing http://ping.fm/jlKra | Aug 03 17:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next Version of Linux Reaches Fifth Release Candidate http://ping.fm/nPifu | Aug 03 17:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Big Milestone for KMyMoney Coming Soon (Version 1.0 Release for KDE4) http://ping.fm/fvGnS | Aug 03 17:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Diversity in GNU/Linux is a Strength http://ping.fm/ardx5 , DistroWatch Reviews Slax 6.1.1 http://ping.fm/pGJlX | Aug 03 17:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Review of Pardus 2009 http://ping.fm/GQyfz | Aug 03 17:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Adds Many GNU/Linux Success Stories to Its Web Site http://ping.fm/yXavV http://ping.fm/1FUeF http://ping.fm/YQ9W9 | Aug 03 17:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CentOS is "Back on Track" http://ping.fm/YXjfM | Aug 03 17:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The whole FUD about "Linux has no support" is shredded to pieces, even when it comes to desktops. http://ping.fm/iUhoe | Aug 03 18:04 | |
| _goblin | That always makes me chuckle when you see one of the ol' faithful say that. It usually happens when they can't argue back....often followed by "freetard" | Aug 03 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Aug 03 18:06 |
| schestowitz | That's a fairly new curse work | Aug 03 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Mac=fanbay | Aug 03 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Linux=freetard | Aug 03 18:06 |
| schestowitz | The f words | Aug 03 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Windows=f*ckwit | Aug 03 18:07 |
| _goblin | Also they like "Linux unwashed" | Aug 03 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Unwashes MASSES | Aug 03 18:07 |
| schestowitz | *ed | Aug 03 18:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] 6 Reasons Why You Need to Drink More Coffee: http://digg.com/d3zUWk?t | Aug 03 18:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interview with LiMo Foundation's Chief (and Symbian Deserter) Morgan Gillis http://ping.fm/Qlq1l http://ping.fm/YWWGg | Aug 03 18:07 | |
| _goblin | although I turned that one back on them with my sig. | Aug 03 18:07 |
| _goblin | Ive just come across a new type of troll....... | Aug 03 18:08 |
| _goblin | its called the workmate troll...... | Aug 03 18:08 |
| _goblin | its when your collegues find your blog and make remarks to wind you up.... | Aug 03 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Aug 03 18:09 |
| _goblin | the worktroll.... | Aug 03 18:09 |
| schestowitz | The 'buddies' | Aug 03 18:10 |
| schestowitz | I hard about those too | Aug 03 18:10 |
| _goblin | in a light hearted way of course....... | Aug 03 18:10 |
| schestowitz | The 'helpers' that don't really help? | Aug 03 18:10 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: you should publish a taxonomy of them | Aug 03 18:10 |
| _goblin | he just sent me an email threatening to buy a Vista Laptop if I didnt come to the pub.... | Aug 03 18:10 |
| schestowitz | worktroll gives you work and distraction | Aug 03 18:10 |
| schestowitz | That's the one you really want to ignore | Aug 03 18:11 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: LOL | Aug 03 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Threaten to buy Vista | Aug 03 18:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Europe Claimed a Leader in Free Software http://ping.fm/9RURN | Aug 03 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | Let him/her knock him/herself out | Aug 03 18:11 |
| _goblin | he thinks that I would be bothered by that. | Aug 03 18:11 |
| schestowitz | It's like threatneing to drink piss, not like thretaening to commit suicise | Aug 03 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Let the trolls inflict pain upon themselves, unless it's mortal | Aug 03 18:11 |
| _goblin | I know.....he's a little slow though..... | Aug 03 18:12 |
| _goblin | He is an technically minded as Jar Jar Binks..... | Aug 03 18:12 |
| _goblin | *as | Aug 03 18:12 |
| _goblin | but fairplay to him, he's made alot of money in property. | Aug 03 18:13 |
| _goblin | anyway..... | Aug 03 18:13 |
| _goblin | worktrolls aside, Ive finished my cull of Twitter...... | Aug 03 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Binks? | Aug 03 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Like Bink? | Aug 03 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Any relationship to the Microsoft Most Valuable Prick? | Aug 03 18:15 |
| _goblin | Jar Jar Binks? from Starwars. | Aug 03 18:15 |
| _goblin | you know that very annoying creature.... | Aug 03 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Nope. | Aug 03 18:15 |
| _goblin | never seen Star Wars? | Aug 03 18:15 |
| _goblin | check the picture on my article "you know youve made it when....." | Aug 03 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I have | Aug 03 18:17 |
| schestowitz | But a long while ago when I was a kid | Aug 03 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was scary at the time | Aug 03 18:17 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: ah OK | Aug 03 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I saw that picture | Aug 03 18:17 |
| _goblin | Jar Jar had hate sites created after him......he was as popular with Star Wars fans as Clippy is with Windows users. | Aug 03 18:17 |
| schestowitz | We're different generation | Aug 03 18:17 |
| _goblin | ah.... | Aug 03 18:18 |
| schestowitz | You're the one where Star Wars aligned with adolescence | Aug 03 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Ish.. | Aug 03 18:18 |
| _goblin | lol.... | Aug 03 18:18 |
| _goblin | yep.... | Aug 03 18:18 |
| ThistleWeb | whoosa arr yousa | Aug 03 18:19 |
| _goblin | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | Aug 03 18:19 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 03 18:19 |
| _goblin | thats the one. | Aug 03 18:19 |
| _goblin | he was a little like Wesley Crusher from STNG - hated by all for being so annoying. | Aug 03 18:19 |
| _goblin | They need to be placed in SCI-FI hell. | Aug 03 18:19 |
| ThistleWeb | not everyone can be a hero | Aug 03 18:20 |
| _goblin | agreed.....but there was no need for Wesley Crusher..... | Aug 03 18:20 |
| _goblin | Look at Geordi......he wasnt really a hero, but was a decent character.... | Aug 03 18:20 |
| ThistleWeb | you mean apart from the draw for young female auiences | Aug 03 18:20 |
| _goblin | did it work? | Aug 03 18:20 |
| ThistleWeb | I dunno, I;m neither young or femal | Aug 03 18:21 |
| ThistleWeb | female* | Aug 03 18:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] An Explanation of Free Software Economics http://ping.fm/D1MnS | Aug 03 18:21 | |
| ThistleWeb | nor did I watch it when it was broadcast | Aug 03 18:21 |
| _goblin | ah... | Aug 03 18:21 |
| _goblin | I've got the lot on original VHS | Aug 03 18:21 |
| ThistleWeb | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/mG_yc_TJytw/20-Years-of-MS-Word-and-Why-It-Should-Die-a-Swift-Death <<lol | Aug 03 18:22 |
| _goblin | looks a good link......following now! | Aug 03 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/03/1522245/20-Years-of-MS-Word-and-Why-It-Should-Die-a-Swift-Death?from=rss << a cleaner link | Aug 03 18:23 |
| _goblin | Listening to: Louie Louie - The Kingsmen.......best track of all time.... | Aug 03 18:26 |
| schestowitz | twitter submitted this to /,. | Aug 03 18:28 |
| _goblin | does anyone know of a decent binaries grabber OTHER than Klibido? | Aug 03 18:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ars Technica Blasts Microsoft Office and the Winner is Free Software http://ping.fm/SuJwq | Aug 03 18:33 | |
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| schestowitz | me listens to http://www.twit.tv/floss77 It's becoming the fav show | Aug 03 18:41 |
| *trmanco reads this -> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_Arch_Linux_Install_Guide | Aug 03 18:42 | |
| _goblin | agreed Roy....Ive recently discovered it...fantastic show. | Aug 03 18:42 |
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| sysop__ | Hi, I'm looking for Goblin; this is Rob from the E-mail. | Aug 03 18:49 |
| *sysop__ is now known as RZC | Aug 03 18:50 | |
| RZC | Hi, I'm looking for Goblin; this is Rob from the E-mail. | Aug 03 18:50 |
| RZC | Roy, are you here? | Aug 03 18:51 |
| RZC | can anyone see this? | Aug 03 18:51 |
| _goblin | hello | Aug 03 18:52 |
| _goblin | got your email! | Aug 03 18:52 |
| RZC | hi | Aug 03 18:52 |
| RZC | alright. | Aug 03 18:52 |
| _goblin | I'll create a new room | Aug 03 18:52 |
| _goblin | so the conversation doesnt disturb here! | Aug 03 18:52 |
| RZC | thanks. how do I go to it? | Aug 03 18:52 |
| _goblin | "/join #gobo" | Aug 03 18:52 |
| _goblin | without quotes | Aug 03 18:53 |
| schestowitz | RZC: I'm here now | Aug 03 18:54 |
| _goblin | Roy, that was HoustonLawy3r from Twitter....just been chatting with him. | Aug 03 19:14 |
| *RZC is now known as HoustonLawy3r | Aug 03 19:14 | |
| HoustonLawy3r | I was trying to find out how usenet works. Thank you Goblin -- our conversation was helpful. | Aug 03 19:14 |
| _goblin | no probs....anytime | Aug 03 19:15 |
| _goblin | and visit again! | Aug 03 19:15 |
| HoustonLawy3r | I will. Take care all.. | Aug 03 19:15 |
| _goblin | bye! | Aug 03 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, HoustonLawy3r | Aug 03 19:24 |
| _goblin | what a nice chap... | Aug 03 19:27 |
| _goblin | listening to Linux Outlaws Live! | Aug 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 03 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Linux curious | Aug 03 19:28 |
| _goblin | very educated man too. | Aug 03 19:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Introducing Bloatnux: New GNU/Linux distribution from Boycott Novell http://ping.fm/jfBfT Thanks, Novell, for hosting our distribution. | Aug 03 19:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Yay. Audio via HDMI on the Acer Aspire Revo works out of the box on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic). @daviey owes me 50p | Aug 03 19:47 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello | Aug 03 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, ChanServ | Aug 03 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: | Aug 03 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I was just writing about Net Apps | Aug 03 20:01 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | good http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 | Aug 03 20:01 |
| _Goblin | hi Chips.....sorry Im over in Linuxoutlaws at the moment chatting and listening to the live stream. | Aug 03 20:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, since you writting about them, you see that Net Apps has Windose back up to 93% | Aug 03 20:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | using selective countries like China for data is their excuse | Aug 03 20:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Goblin | Aug 03 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: hehe | Aug 03 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I guess they just cherry-pick what they like | Aug 03 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I'll just use BN | Aug 03 20:04 |
| schestowitz | My only samle | Aug 03 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux market share>Windows | Aug 03 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if their (Net Apps) data is so great, how did Windows jump from less than 88% to greater than 93% in one month? | Aug 03 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That 88% Net Apps figure, must have been an major embarassment for their sponser, Microsoft. | Aug 03 20:06 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I posted this on Goblin's, might be of use to you. But here is an interesting link, it seems in Germany at least, Linux Laptops Bestsellers in Germany. http://www.linuxtech.net/news/Linux_Laptops_Bestsellers_in_Germany.html | Aug 03 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | also this last link, most likely you have already seen it or linked to it: Microsoft’s Long, Slow Decline http://daringfireball.net/2009/07/microsofts_long_slow_decline | Aug 03 20:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Net Applications Finally Shows It’s Just a Joke: Mac ‘Market Share’ Halved Overnight! http://ping.fm/WjQOi | Aug 03 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | Feel free to spread around if you agree. This also accumulates and brings together previous posts that helps people be brought up to scratch | Aug 03 20:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS Watch is back running with Nicholas Kolakowski | Aug 03 20:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would say that Net Apps is a "bad" joke. As so many people take this "M$ Shill" word, or stats as gospel. | Aug 03 20:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Net Apps has no standards except for what their sponsers (M$) want on any given day. | Aug 03 20:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you might want a snapshot of the net apps pages | Aug 03 20:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like any shill, they are apt to change the stats | Aug 03 20:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, is Lumpy finially done trolling the comments here? | Aug 03 20:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A request, if I might, I know all your time goes into this project. But if you could delete my account here, so I could create another, so I could comment sometime, without excessively feeding the trolls, that would be super. I could create a Nym, I know how, but its not my style, even though I do understand why others do so. | Aug 03 20:20 |
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| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m6JDYRFvk | Aug 03 20:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would credit your articles as the reason that Net Apps felt forced to "change" the way they collected data. But of course, the change they made, was to line their own pockets, not to show true data. | Aug 03 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, MS Watch is back | Aug 03 20:34 |
| schestowitz | The new guy reminds me of the Seattle p-i PR puppet | Aug 03 20:35 |
| schestowitz | They are Microsoft fans appointed as -PR- 'journos' | Aug 03 20:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MediaWiki Replaces Microsoft Office While Microsoft’s Attack on ODF Continues at Wikipedia http://ping.fm/m3SET | Aug 03 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, re Net App | Aug 03 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Go to Brazil and tell em that Apple has x10 the market share of Linux | Aug 03 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Bring Kleenex.. they'll laugh too hard on you they'd spill the coke | Aug 03 20:36 |
| schestowitz | BN posts on IFG are widely cited TBH | Aug 03 20:37 |
| schestowitz | /s/IFG/Net Apps/ | Aug 03 20:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what does she code? | Aug 03 20:38 |
| trmanco | I have no idea | Aug 03 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Net Apps is going lose whatever respect it had left after this, Mac Fans will be up in Arms | Aug 03 20:38 |
| schestowitz | If the rapper was called RMS he'd be called "racist" | Aug 03 20:38 |
| schestowitz | And "sexist" | Aug 03 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: hehe. Well, yeah.. | Aug 03 20:38 |
| schestowitz | They 'lost' half their ego in one month | Aug 03 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Wait until Dan Diligent [sic] calls them MS shills... | Aug 03 20:39 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The w3schools OS market share data, just became the best source of data available, as Net Apps just completely discredited itself. | Aug 03 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Actually, Roy, while the Mac data lost 5%, the bigger gain was Windows in the Net Apps data, whiched gained 7% overnight | Aug 03 20:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it seems that MS Watch holds all comments for "review" now. And yes, only a fanboy can run the site, as it depends on MS advertising, as most blogs about MS do. Nick seems a little careful to hide most of his admiration so far for MS, but that cannot last too long. | Aug 03 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But then maybe the pre-sales of Windows Seven did spike the OS market share overnight by 7% as Net Apps would like the guilable to believe? | Aug 03 20:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | LOL | Aug 03 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Wel... | Aug 03 20:53 |
| schestowitz | You know Microsoft's results were fantasic | Aug 03 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Vista was an overnight hit | Aug 03 20:53 |
| schestowitz | ANd Microsoft's results were 'only' down like 28%-30% | Aug 03 20:53 |
| schestowitz | So I bet they made a stealth comeback | Aug 03 20:53 |
| schestowitz | /sarcasm | Aug 03 20:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | haha | Aug 03 20:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yep, some of your articles are so important, I wish there was a way to keep some of them at the top for longer | Aug 03 20:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin, are you still there? | Aug 03 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I was curious if Goblin is going do a review of Mepis 8? | Aug 03 21:00 |
| schestowitz | He's busy with headphones, mereckons | Aug 03 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I started listening more to audiocasts as well | Aug 03 21:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just downloaded, burned and ran from LiveCD PCLinuxOS 2009-2 (32bit only). Its the better more refined Mandriva for me. It nice, but the wireless setup was not as easy as Mepis 8. | Aug 03 21:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Perhaps its the best beginning distro available still | Aug 03 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | that reminds me, I'll have to try pclos 2009 | Aug 03 21:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb, PCLinuxOS is only missing a 64 bit OS, but truely a fine very polished KDE distro for Beginners and other users. | Aug 03 21:05 |
| ThistleWeb | the 2007 version was the first full time linux I could use | Aug 03 21:05 |
| ThistleWeb | well, that worked with my hardware | Aug 03 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I spent about maybe 8mnths on it, recommending it on forums, comments etc | Aug 03 21:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I like Texstar's work | Aug 03 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I've since grown out of KDE and onto GTK | Aug 03 21:07 |
| ThistleWeb | also drawn to .deb distros | Aug 03 21:07 |
| ThistleWeb | so maybe it's just too late for me | Aug 03 21:07 |
| ThistleWeb | it is very polished though | Aug 03 21:07 |
| ThistleWeb | pity about the name | Aug 03 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I always install some lite windows managers, like Icewm, fluxbox, and afterstep, after I do an install. | Aug 03 21:08 |
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| ThistleWeb | I seem to jump between crunchbang / openbox and mint xfce | Aug 03 21:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nice thing about GNU/Linux, is the choice, its so custemable | Aug 03 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | both are gtk | Aug 03 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, choice is good | Aug 03 21:09 |
| trmanco | http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=986 | Aug 03 21:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mint I keep checking on, but I do not want Mono, while Gnome is OK, and long ago preferred it, grown used to KDE. Not a big fan of sudo, so its another reason I perfer other than Ubuntu based. | Aug 03 21:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I have no problems installing Ubuntu based on new users computers, if that hardware is supported | Aug 03 21:11 |
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| ThistleWeb | my issues with the speedtouch modem needed firmware updates in most distros including ubuntu, where pclos picked it up at boot | Aug 03 21:12 |
| ThistleWeb | even in live mode | Aug 03 21:12 |
| ThistleWeb | every distro I tried then had the speedtouch hassle | Aug 03 21:12 |
| ThistleWeb | except the mandriva line | Aug 03 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb, we were talking a few weeks ago about converting files, and I gave you a link. But here is a gui alternative that works nice WinFF | Aug 03 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | mandrake* | Aug 03 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I tried that | Aug 03 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | it's patchy | Aug 03 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | it has the zen profile but the results dont always wokr | Aug 03 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | WinFF makes files (mpeg) too big, true | Aug 03 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | work* | Aug 03 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | that too | Aug 03 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | shame, because the zen is a cool player | Aug 03 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | just a pity creative have tied their apps to MS | Aug 03 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for most modems, including some winmodems, Mepis might have the best hardware support | Aug 03 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I've not had any probs with any distros after I switched the modem to a router | Aug 03 21:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | about 30% of USA is still dialup | Aug 03 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | every distro, even windows detects the broadband and knows it's supposed to use it | Aug 03 21:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 03 21:16 |
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| ThistleWeb | before then, pclos was my saviour | Aug 03 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | it allowed me to move from windows | Aug 03 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | before then, I couldn never get online with any linux | Aug 03 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | I liked what I saw, just couldnt get online | Aug 03 21:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | early Red Hat 5.2 found my modem | Aug 03 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | actually Mandriva one was the first, but that was buggy as hell | Aug 03 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | then came PCLos | Aug 03 21:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but until Mepis 3.3.0 never got all the hardware working, modem, sound etc | Aug 03 21:18 |
| ThistleWeb | I've not had hardware issues at all for ages now, not counting the zen / wmp issues | Aug 03 21:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The key is to have several different live cd's for new user installs, to find a live cd that will work best on the hardware | Aug 03 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Aug 03 21:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Wants More Control of Indian Government, US Space Programs http://bit.ly/iKFJs [thanks, | Aug 03 21:19 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, hardware support is better now | Aug 03 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | a variety of live cds too, no point in all three *buntus | Aug 03 21:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Because of Mono, buntu is the last disk I would try | Aug 03 21:20 |
| ThistleWeb | pclos is a very good newbie distro | Aug 03 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on new users computers | Aug 03 21:21 |
| ThistleWeb | so is mint | Aug 03 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | going try the bleeding edge Sidux again soon too | Aug 03 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | based on debian sid, was the group that was formerly Kanotex, without Kano | Aug 03 21:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I sometimes reckon fedora is so bleeding edge it's anaemic | Aug 03 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Mint KDE looks NICE out of the box | Aug 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Tempting away from PCLOS and Mandriva.. | Aug 03 21:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I like Slackware, but even with slap-get, its not enough for newbies, which I deal with. They need a gui like Synaptic Package Manager and Kpackage. | Aug 03 21:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Synaptic for me was the killer app, after Mepis 3.3.0 got all my hardware working, that easily let me install software after the installation. | Aug 03 21:26 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah GUI apps are required | Aug 03 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva has them | Aug 03 21:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at that point, Linux becames easier than Windows for me | Aug 03 21:26 |
| schestowitz | And they just work | Aug 03 21:26 |
| ThistleWeb | there is slapt-get | Aug 03 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Windows. Meh... | Aug 03 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Just to install apps you need to do some much browsing | Aug 03 21:27 |
| schestowitz | And googling and whatever... clicking... | Aug 03 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Installing one app at a time. | Aug 03 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, i had to convert from something | Aug 03 21:27 |
| schestowitz | For WIndows users to understand this they need to use Linux first and then use the archaic Vista | Aug 03 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Vista: "we primitive but omg! we gots aero!!1" | Aug 03 21:28 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of windows users get confused when they cant find apps in the windows way, because nobody told them they just need to open the candy store app (package manager) and run amok | Aug 03 21:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | apt-get is so much better, and with the gui's for apt-get like Synaptic, its easy for windows users converting. Its the killer app, as Roy stated, install more than one app, no need to hunt around the web for one binary app (windows) that might be infected. | Aug 03 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | some peeps who come to linux from windows dont know the concept of a package manager though | Aug 03 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | so they get frustrated trying to install stuff | Aug 03 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | I always make a point of showing it off to new users | Aug 03 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | "that's your first port of call for new software" | Aug 03 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | "it's your friend" | Aug 03 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Apple has that too | Aug 03 21:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb, true windows users get confused when they cannot find apps the windows way. This happened to a relative of mine. I finially got the relative to use synaptic properly, and now hooked | Aug 03 21:31 |
| schestowitz | For iPhone | Aug 03 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Pay per clickz | Aug 03 21:32 |
| schestowitz | The Apple 'synapic tax' | Aug 03 21:32 |
| schestowitz | *tic | Aug 03 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | its a concept that "get" after it's pointed out how powerful it is | Aug 03 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | but they never think to look for it | Aug 03 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | because windows don't work like that | Aug 03 21:32 |
| schestowitz | The issues is familiarity with apps | Aug 03 21:33 |
| schestowitz | My brther called me some hours ago | Aug 03 21:33 |
| schestowitz | He asked what Linux apps to use | Aug 03 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I told him about k3b and gimp | Aug 03 21:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple uses and abuses BSD, its why Mac OS X is so stable and mostly malware free | Aug 03 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The issue is that WIndows users want to use Windows programs on Linux | Aug 03 21:33 |
| schestowitz | They don't know the equivalent and there's fear of the unknown | Aug 03 21:33 |
| schestowitz | My brother doesn't know bootloaders, either | Aug 03 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Foreign concept to many | Aug 03 21:34 |
| schestowitz | As if the computer can only boot one thing | Aug 03 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: many Apple worms come from Apple,not BSD. Safari, QuickTime, etc. | Aug 03 21:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wine for a few apps, but mostly its just best to use the native apps. For a few games like Bejewelled 2 its ok | Aug 03 21:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | seems most Windows users play that game | Aug 03 21:35 |
| schestowitz | How much of a big deal is made today out of Schmidt's departure from the toys store | Aug 03 21:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gweled is great, but I bet Popcap has sold to 60% of windows users Bejewelled 2 | Aug 03 21:36 |
| schestowitz | BBC main: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/business/8181943.stm | Aug 03 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if you get the right version, it works with wine or crossover | Aug 03 21:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin, Chips_B_Malroy https://twitter.com/SiriusCorp/status/3111340214 | Aug 03 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | it's a FOSS company being befriended by all kinds of Microsoft accounts. Sometimes it's TEs who aggressively promote Microsoft to them | Aug 03 21:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you have had a lot of attacks here recently Roy. First the increase in trolls/shills. The mono crazies. Then the DDOS, then Linsux folks, who are most likely back by M$. Then the Lumpy troll, who every other troll and shill joined with, if you noticed. | Aug 03 21:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and now you are accused of committing tought crimes, LOL | Aug 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/997_signs.jpg | Aug 03 21:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wasn't Mutex one of the Linsux people? | Aug 03 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 03 21:46 |
| schestowitz | He has karma here | Aug 03 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he's here now. | Aug 03 21:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah, u felt sorry for him and let him back in | Aug 03 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: another attack on us: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Shill-Shocked-The-Dark-Side-of-Community-Discussion-67729.html | Aug 03 21:47 |
| schestowitz | "The dark side" | Aug 03 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I'm not feeling dark, just cheerful and honest | Aug 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yesterday he went mental. See logs | Aug 03 21:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Linsux members are either shills or mental | Aug 03 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I was glad to see this: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/microsoft-word-1983---2009-rest-in-peace.ars | Aug 03 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I moved to Latex almost 10 years ago | Aug 03 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I tryed to search them out, as in who owned Linsux, who was behind them, their data is very well hidden. | Aug 03 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Never was a fan of word processors and now I use blogs and wikis mostly... and plain text in Kate. | Aug 03 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Even latex is becoming redundant now with wiki syntax | Aug 03 21:50 |
| schestowitz | word Processor = paginating | Aug 03 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Wiki=hyperlinks | Aug 03 21:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But i believe M$ is the force behind Linsux, no matter how they try to spin it | Aug 03 21:51 |
| schestowitz | They sure attract the pro-MS trolls | Aug 03 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Based on who's there and raves about it | Aug 03 21:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | exactly | Aug 03 21:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Banks utterly surprised to be paying squillions in bonuses again http://notnews.today.com/?p=581 | Aug 03 21:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Man Gets Flat Tire, State Threatens Foreclosure http://ping.fm/h7775 | Aug 03 21:52 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely funded by you know who | Aug 03 21:52 |
| schestowitz | What's most valiahble to MS are people who pretend to be pro-Linux and bash it | Aug 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | You see it in memos | Aug 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | They cite Red Hat people | Aug 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | So the "I like Linux, BUT..." trolls are valuable to them | Aug 03 21:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, that was a common tactic on MS Watch comments too | Aug 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | "We're trying to improve Linux... it sucks... we're miniscule..." | Aug 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft thrives int these | Aug 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | See the TE who decided to strike against BN | Aug 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | look who he cites for 'support' | Aug 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Like... oh, well, Roy must be horrible because the 'Linux people' from "Linsux" don't like him | Aug 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Then citing the anti-Linux trolls from other places | Aug 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I can link to comments from MS-Watch.. | Aug 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | To show "Microsoft's policy", as per people who comment in the site | Aug 03 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Those who hate us say we want Microsoft employees dead cause some idiots left such comments in blog posts | Aug 03 21:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely they were M$ trolls/shills pretending to be us | Aug 03 21:56 |
| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?p=565&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Aug 03 21:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like the Linsux people | Aug 03 21:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/20174458/detail.html ( Solar Customers Fuming Over Proposed Fee ) | Aug 03 21:57 |
| schestowitz | They took over IRC for a while | Aug 03 21:57 |
| schestowitz | But "US" is also Linux | Aug 03 21:57 |
| schestowitz | As in, create a site to pretend to be a Linux community | Aug 03 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Or have people like cj who used to work on Microsoft contracts enter the FOSS world and advance Microsoft at the same time | Aug 03 21:58 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft is all cuddly" | Aug 03 21:58 |
| schestowitz | "Y'all just haters" | Aug 03 21:58 |
| schestowitz | "You're not real OSS supporters" | Aug 03 21:58 |
| schestowitz | "Who cares about freedom? It's open source" | Aug 03 21:58 |
| schestowitz | "I love Linux, but it's not 'ready for the desktop'(R), so I use Mac" | Aug 03 21:59 |
| schestowitz | And this becomes the new pseudo-identity of the 'Linux crowd' | Aug 03 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Like the new Yahoo! or VMware or ISO... whatever Microsoft infiltrated with great success actually | Aug 03 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even I do not Hate Microsoft. But there are many things I hate about MS | Aug 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Hating a company? | Aug 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Like a brand? | Aug 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Many people hate Ballmer and Harcio, OK | Aug 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Cause they are bullies | Aug 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | As long as they direct the company, the company will be distrusted | Aug 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Turns out Melco was SUED | Aug 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is racketeering | Aug 03 22:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I hate the fact that so many Windows users have Malware infested computers, at appox 80%. That MS cannot setup their OS by default in a more secure way. | Aug 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Threatening Linux vendors and then also suing, like with TomTom | Aug 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Where are the Secret Services? | Aug 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | This is RICO Act violation AFAIK | Aug 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Apple warns iPhones vulnerable; fixes bug http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20090731/tc_nm/us_iphone_security | Aug 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Store video catches cop bullying woman < http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20090720_Store_video_catches_cop_bullying_woman.html?viewAll=y > | Aug 03 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer is the prodigy of Gates, he learned from the Master. Gates will all about dirty tricks in business, and lockins coupled with extending and patents. | Aug 03 22:02 |
| schestowitz | My Kindle ate my homework: lawsuit filed over 1984 deletion http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/07/my-kindle-ate-my-homework-lawsuit-filed-over-1984-deletion.ars | Aug 03 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The lockin is more important to MS and Ballmer, than anything else they do | Aug 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, Pearly did it smiling and being cocky tot he camera (unlike deposition as tapes show) | Aug 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Gates is a very nasty character based on those who knew him personally. | Aug 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Jobs too | Aug 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Very impatient, ferocious | Aug 03 22:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The lockin is all Ballmer/Gates know. | Aug 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it's not just imporrtant, they depend on it | Aug 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | But it needs to be banned | Aug 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Govt should say lockin is a contract annuler | Aug 03 22:04 |
| schestowitz | annuller\ | Aug 03 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but its not working (lock in) so well anymore. | Aug 03 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Instead they are raped by lobbyists like Jon Zuck | Aug 03 22:04 |
| schestowitz | For RAND and stuff | Aug 03 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The EU is starting to look at the lock in | Aug 03 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Naa.. | Aug 03 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Too slow | Aug 03 22:04 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Aug 03 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least some of it | Aug 03 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you saw the rreport I included int he NetApps post | Aug 03 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | people are starting to reject the lock in | Aug 03 22:05 |
| schestowitz | About EU members of P. moving to GNU | Aug 03 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I seen an article on the web, wish I had the link, about not using Office 2007 to save a Resume. As most companies could not read it, as they used older Office | Aug 03 22:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and they would just delete the resume | Aug 03 22:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so the lock in comes back and bites them sometimes | Aug 03 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Google Maps accused of unfair competition in France http://tech.yahoo.com/news/afp/20090729/tc_afp/franceusinternetgooglecourt | Aug 03 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Too late by then | Aug 03 22:07 |
| schestowitz | They could do what they do with ciggies | Aug 03 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Make Microsoft put a warning on Office boxes | Aug 03 22:07 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft Office harms your data!{ | Aug 03 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Not in those words, obviously | Aug 03 22:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ needs to give their users what they wanted, they did not want Vista, they wanted a better improved leaner, far more secured, XP. Seven will not be that. | Aug 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Instead they fake ODF support, which is just more harmful than anything | Aug 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It won't | Aug 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 got fat at RC stage | Aug 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | They did something to it | Aug 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Spoiled the broth | Aug 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe DRM or something strapped onto it | Aug 03 22:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely more DRM? LOL | Aug 03 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | they do like to claim they offer peeps what they want, while hearing "WE WANT XP" and responding with "you can have Vista" | Aug 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_7_Reality_Log | Aug 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: would make a nice Monty Python scene | Aug 03 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe lol | Aug 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | The masses yell "we WANT! XP!" | Aug 03 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ will continue to waste its time on DRM, Lockin, and unnesacary features in Seven and Windows 8, while ignoring the main problems | Aug 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Oy Tenenbaum! RIAA wins $675,000, or $22,500 per song http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/o-tenenbaum-riaa-wins-675000-or-22500-per-song.ars | Aug 03 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Why is the question? | Aug 03 22:10 |
| ThistleWeb | right now they claim to offer choice when they sell XP and Vista, even if it is dictated by the type of PC you buy, what happens if Windows 7 is the "one windows to rule all"? the choice will reduce to just Windows 7 | Aug 03 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Vista 8 will inherit the same problem, but who knows what that is... | Aug 03 22:11 |
| schestowitz | The landscape is changign a lot | Aug 03 22:11 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, they'll sell XP until 2011 | Aug 03 22:11 |
| schestowitz | At least. | Aug 03 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe | Aug 03 22:11 |
| schestowitz | They know they need to revive XP to keep Linux 'out' | Aug 03 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon if windows 7 is tollerable on netbooks they'll whip XP off the market | Aug 03 22:12 |
| schestowitz | So will all future VIsta versions need to virtualise XP to keep backward compat? | Aug 03 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | force peeps onto windows 7 | Aug 03 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft really dropped the ball with that one | Aug 03 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | of course it helps when you have peeps try to redefine "netbook" so that it can cope with windows | Aug 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Never ceases to amaze: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090731/0337175728.shtml | Aug 03 22:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I conclude, that Gates and Ballmer have already thought it pointless to do anything but to milk the windows OS to death by high profits. Not really pour money into R&D in Windows, but to use that money elsewhere, even thought it says it used it there. Gates knows that even if Windows is fixed the best it can be, it cannot win in the long run against free Linux. So he has decided not to waste money fixing windows | Aug 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Not only that | Aug 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | They sue Linux | Aug 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | I only today found out they sued a second time | Aug 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | THey are SCO! | Aug 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They are suing like SCO | Aug 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Signs of last agony | Aug 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | And the word needs to be spread that Miceosoft is doign this | Aug 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | It's Racketeering | Aug 03 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | Maybe that's why they felt a kinship with Novell, the name SuSE Linuxc can easily be typo'd to SUE Linux | Aug 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | TechDirt got it right on "DORMANT" FCC: Apple's Google Voice Rejection Wakes Up A Dormant FCC; Investigation Begins < http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090731/1748485734.shtml > | Aug 03 22:15 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | They are SCO? Not quite, but most informed could get they are the money behind SCO | Aug 03 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Suddenly they do their job | Aug 03 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Anti-Apple after Microsoft appointment. It at least need to be /considered/ | Aug 03 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | wouldn't it be funny if the FCC turned their targets onto MS after dealing with Aople | Aug 03 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, metaphorically | Aug 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: why would a Microsoft VP attack his buddies? | Aug 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | He's a MD at the FCC now | Aug 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | No 'cool-down' period | Aug 03 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe the FCC has been embarassed that the EU is doing it's job while the FCC sleeps | Aug 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Cold turkey from abuser to regulator | Aug 03 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If SCO dies, M$ will find another patent troll to take its place | Aug 03 22:17 |
| cubezzz | surely SCO must be dead by now? | Aug 03 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | Chips_B_Malroy: novell? | Aug 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Not many places (if any) will point out the Microsoft appointment at the FCC | Aug 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they already have | Aug 03 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb, I think not Novell | Aug 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz | IV, Acacia (maybe), Novell.... | Aug 03 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | it'd be an interesting list, all the FCC peeps and their previous affiliations | Aug 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Why doesn't the LF (aka IBM at al) complain about Microsoft's patent atack? | Aug 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | They sort of did with ECIS | Aug 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | But it's not in the US | Aug 03 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bush/Obama and MS and FCC/DOJ, There is a pattern | Aug 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | THis whole thing is ludicrous cause you can't rely on companies to drive regulations | Aug 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | They mostly collude or find themselves in hypocrisy traps | Aug 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Can we get a list of FCC management? | Aug 03 22:19 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy your articles on Russia are great. If only one country can get out from under the M$ yoke | Aug 03 22:20 |
| schestowitz | We can do some googling on each to see how many comes from companies they ought to watch | Aug 03 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they have antimonopoly probe | Aug 03 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Over sub-notebooks, obviously | Aug 03 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Just one egg in a big basket of abuses. Like Netscape in a seas of Microsoft crimes, chosen as a symbolic case among better potential ones | Aug 03 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Another junk artilce that's posted 3 times in identical form: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6811/1/ Is Linux Getting Too Plump? | Aug 03 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | lemmie guess Bryan? | Aug 03 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe we are at the fight stage of gandi's, "First they ignore you....." | Aug 03 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The fight right now is on Netbooks, MS had to cut prices to keep Linux off them in the USA. That is their base of highest profits, the USA mature market. | Aug 03 22:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The EU second, followed by the Pacific rim | Aug 03 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | When the ARM netbooks come out, the fight will get very ugly | Aug 03 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | like any expensive procts licence, the most profitable areas are also the most litigious | Aug 03 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | both Intel and MS will dump to kill ARM first | Aug 03 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | adobe know that most photoshop installs are illegal | Aug 03 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | but they know that pro businesses like magazine editors cant affors to have illegal copies | Aug 03 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | so they will pay the big prices | Aug 03 22:25 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | And I think that M$ is most likely working on a ARM port of Windows CE right now to compete with ARM Linux | Aug 03 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | they target those who can pay | Aug 03 22:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They have to, or if ARM makes it, they lose | Aug 03 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | without arm, they're in limb-o | Aug 03 22:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Best thing going is the Google Chrome OS, if succesful, Google will have the money on ARM to get on OEM machines, if M$ trys to put an Windows version on ARM | Aug 03 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe they dont have the legs for the race | Aug 03 22:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And since Chrome OS uses a Linux kernel, Debian ARM should not have any problems replacing Chrome as they will have the same hardware support | Aug 03 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb, we will see, if they do. My guess is that MS has to try to kill off ARM first by dumping with their partners Intel, which also will dump prices on low end cpu's as well | Aug 03 22:30 |
| ThistleWeb | amputate the arm so to speak | Aug 03 22:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If that fails, they will come out with a Windows ARM based on CE almost overnight | Aug 03 22:30 |
| ThistleWeb | as well tested as Vista lmao | Aug 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Intel is another criminal company | Aug 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | The EU will hopefully pay atention again | Aug 03 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ already had a NT4 based but not released for Mips as well | Aug 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Intel was found guilty in other continents too | Aug 03 22:31 |
| ThistleWeb | aint it odd that many of these companies are US ones? | Aug 03 22:31 |
| ThistleWeb | US companies who are above the law in the US | Aug 03 22:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, Roy. You can bet that both MS and Intel will join forces to try to kill ARM | Aug 03 22:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It could go so far as none of the major OEM's will release an ARM Netbook, because of fear of M$ | Aug 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/03/mediawiki-knocks-ms-office/#comments | Aug 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | MediaWiki gets an editor called FCK | Aug 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Named after the maker's initials | Aug 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | This sound more rude than "vi-ing a file". So how does that work? You FCK the Wiki in the morning and fsck the server every night? | Aug 03 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | FCK is an editor for other FOSS apps too I think, like wordpress and drupal | Aug 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | fsck=filesystem check | Aug 03 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | a wysiwyg editor | Aug 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Aug 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Unless they changed it | Aug 03 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | or am I thinking of something else | Aug 03 22:35 |
| ThistleWeb | I thought I saw that as a plugin | Aug 03 22:35 |
| schestowitz | TinyMCE | Aug 03 22:35 |
| ThistleWeb | thats one | Aug 03 22:35 |
| ThistleWeb | there are others | Aug 03 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Aug 03 22:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its nicer to see the shills/trolls not over running IRC and the comments, I avoided this place until that happened | Aug 03 22:35 |
| ThistleWeb | tinymce seems to be the more mature | Aug 03 22:36 |
| ThistleWeb | seems to be more flexable in the apps it's built for (right now anyway) | Aug 03 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Twitter starts filtering links to malware sites http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/03/twitter_applies_malware_filter/ | Aug 03 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: comments are cleaner too | Aug 03 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, IRC was always used a lot more than comments | Aug 03 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I noticed | Aug 03 22:37 |
| schestowitz | All in all, the site can be kept focused now | Aug 03 22:37 |
| schestowitz | No flamewars | Aug 03 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | comments are important, as they get seen by a lot of people. also some will coment that will not use IRC | Aug 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Nintendo gets jiggy with Facebook http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/03/nintendo_dsi_facebook_connect/ | Aug 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | IRC is interactive | Aug 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Disruptive people are easier to handle | Aug 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Comments were never censored either way, so RT won't make a difference | Aug 03 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Fujitsu staff to vote on strike call http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/08/03/fujitsu_strike_call/ | Aug 03 22:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I know you did not like my feeding the Lumpy troll (flamewar), but I did dig out some information on him by doing so, which was my purpose. Also, while he engaged me, it left your other posts mostly untouched for awhile by his comments. And left you free to do other things for awhile. The point being he was going go off no matter what. | Aug 03 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to talk about people | Aug 03 22:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if Lumpy was Lefty, which we will most likely never know, but suspect that he is | Aug 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Trust me, I know enough about him to make him embarrassed as hell, but I'm not playing that game | Aug 03 22:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Aug 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Anway.... | Aug 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Back on topivc | Aug 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Did you see _Goblin's latest post? | Aug 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | he's doing some digging into Microsoft marketing | Aug 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | We understand it much better now | Aug 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Reverse-emngineering the Microsoft brainwash model, which can then be shown and shamed | Aug 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft appointed a guy from Toyota to be Comms exec (shills supreme) | Aug 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | He QUIT after MONTHS | Aug 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Amazing. What did he seee? | Aug 03 22:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gstar managing your collection is Goblins latest | Aug 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | He ran back to motors... after interviewing to get that job at Microsoft | Aug 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Now it's Waggenner-Shillsdom that runs it | Aug 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Shaw | Aug 03 22:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | must not be up yet | Aug 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, prior to it | Aug 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Star Wars image | Aug 03 22:45 |
| _Goblin | bonjour....back again... | Aug 03 22:45 |
| _Goblin | Have I got a biggie nearly ready...... | Aug 03 22:45 |
| _Goblin | just a few more things to double check.... | Aug 03 22:46 |
| _Goblin | and a few more phone calls. | Aug 03 22:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin, hey you going do a Mepis 8 review? | Aug 03 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Mint 7 | Aug 03 22:46 |
| _Goblin | yep I had intended..... | Aug 03 22:46 |
| _Goblin | I was distracted by Zenwalk Gnome. | Aug 03 22:46 |
| _Goblin | so Mepis has been put on hold! | Aug 03 22:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | When you do some one will post a link to your article on their forum | Aug 03 22:48 |
| _Goblin | cool. | Aug 03 22:48 |
| _Goblin | Its a good distro....its been used by the wife regularly.... | Aug 03 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Try Mint 7 KDE | Aug 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | It's kde4 | Aug 03 22:49 |
| _Goblin | Ubuntu........ | Aug 03 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | give you some more traffic, the good kind | Aug 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.... I should have writtena review on pclos | Aug 03 22:49 |
| _Goblin | and I'm not really a fan of KDE... | Aug 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I was too lazy | Aug 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: don't knock it till you try it (again) | Aug 03 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have cano's community KDE4.23 Mepis 8 32 bit release on live DVD | Aug 03 22:50 |
| _Goblin | not at all.... I just don't like KDE.... | Aug 03 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Lie!! Heretic! :-p | Aug 03 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not a problem, if you say that in your reviews | Aug 03 22:50 |
| _Goblin | and the Ubuntu thing, Ive been there done that....Its great, its out of the box...I try looking for more exotic solutions.... | Aug 03 22:50 |
| _Goblin | hence Wolvix... | Aug 03 22:51 |
| _Goblin | and on one rig AROS. | Aug 03 22:51 |
| _Goblin | Ive also be looking at a 100% asm OS. | Aug 03 22:51 |
| _Goblin | since I've never migrated nor condoned these highlevel languages that float around today. | Aug 03 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, as explained earier, I need distro's with a gui installer like Synaptic, for new users. slap-get and apt-get are command line, while I can use them, I would not expect new users to do that | Aug 03 22:52 |
| _Goblin | Roy, remember my python code that trashed my blog and randomly spammed this channel? | Aug 03 22:53 |
| _Goblin | can't get my head around high level languages..... | Aug 03 22:53 |
| _Goblin | I like registers and interupts. | Aug 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | embedded? | Aug 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | I did that too | Aug 03 22:53 |
| _Goblin | The only decent MS package.......... | Aug 03 22:54 |
| _Goblin | Debug | Aug 03 22:54 |
| _Goblin | Currently I am still using Devpac2 religiously. | Aug 03 22:54 |
| _Goblin | and no matter how good Linux is, I'd drop it in a second for a return to the days of the Amiga. | Aug 03 22:55 |
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| _Goblin | my first love......the A500 | Aug 03 22:56 |
| _Goblin | Does that make me a Commodore shill? | Aug 03 22:57 |
| _Goblin | Im a little late if it does...... | Aug 03 22:57 |
| _Goblin | Hang on correct that....shills don't legitimately love their products, they are simply paid to love them. | Aug 03 22:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Aug 03 22:59 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they are simply paid. | Aug 03 22:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | what they love is the money | Aug 03 22:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One of the harshest critiics of KDE4 (SJVN) likes it now @ 4.3: http://ping.fm/J0oh4 | Aug 03 23:00 | |
| schestowitz | Is marble kde4-only? http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/marble.html | Aug 03 23:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ok, Roy and Goblin, thanks for letting me chat, keep up the great work! | Aug 03 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | ping wallclimber | Aug 03 23:08 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Watch Star Wars ASCII Animation via Telnet on Linux Terminal < http://www.junauza.com/2009/08/watch-star-wars-ascii-animation-via.html > | Aug 03 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | Fake ATM doesn't last long at hacker meet http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136179/Fake_ATM_doesn_t_last_long_at_hacker_meet | Aug 03 23:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] [trmanco.com] Coder Girl: Read the lyrics http://bit.ly/U8nyP | Aug 03 23:20 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Thanks for the link, I'll look now! | Aug 03 23:22 |
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| _Goblin | got it playing now in my terminal.... | Aug 03 23:24 |
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| _Goblin | its not the whole movie is it? | Aug 03 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Twitter has begun filtering links for Windows (malware) | Aug 03 23:26 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: AFAIK it's just a portion | Aug 03 23:27 |
| schestowitz | It's not new | Aug 03 23:27 |
| schestowitz | There was football on terminal a while back | Aug 03 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I think I tried watching the World Cup in 2002 using it | Aug 03 23:27 |
| schestowitz | telnet iirc | Aug 03 23:27 |
| _Goblin | lol. | Aug 03 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Not so useful without compression | Aug 03 23:28 |
| _Goblin | I will never let anyone tell me that I have too much time on my hands. | Aug 03 23:28 |
| schestowitz | But you could sncode bits as colours | Aug 03 23:28 |
| _Goblin | I will simply link them to that.... | Aug 03 23:28 |
| schestowitz | And then apply off/mpeg to it | Aug 03 23:28 |
| _Goblin | oh..Lukes just seen the message from Princess Leia | Aug 03 23:29 |
| schestowitz | A kid was arrested in Boston for having a screen with a terminal | Aug 03 23:29 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f9plD-JZsw (Princess Leia Fantasy) | Aug 03 23:29 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 03 23:30 |
| _Goblin | I'm going to have to do a little feature on that telnet starwars! | Aug 03 23:31 |
| _Goblin | we're progressing quite a way through the film.... | Aug 03 23:31 |
| _Goblin | Lukes now met obi wan. | Aug 03 23:31 |
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| tacone | bash is proof of terrorism | Aug 03 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | Get arrested in Boston for using Ubuntu Linux Console http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1143846 | Aug 03 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Boston College Campus Police: "Using Prompt Commands" May Be a Sign of Criminal Activity [updated below] http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/boston-college-prompt-commands-are-suspicious | Aug 03 23:36 |
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| _Goblin | lol still going...we are on the Falcon now and Luke is getting his training to become a Jedi | Aug 03 23:37 |
| _Goblin | I bet this is the complete film. | Aug 03 23:37 |
| schestowitz | If could be automatically translated to ASCII | Aug 03 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | I saw converters that do this, matching blocks of pixels to symbols | Aug 03 23:38 |
| schestowitz | fewa: any progress on Wikipedia? | Aug 03 23:38 |
| _Goblin | Its a hell of an effort though.... | Aug 03 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Shareholder Bill of Rights Could Have 'Bigger Impact Than Sarbanes-Oxley' < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/shareholder-bill-of-rights-could-have-bigger-impact-than-sarbanes-oxley/?cs=34661 > | Aug 03 23:40 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: not if automated | Aug 03 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Group:FSF/CampaignsMeetings/2009-07-31 FSF/CampaignsMeetings/2009-07-31 | Aug 03 23:41 |
| schestowitz | " Matt | Aug 03 23:41 |
| schestowitz | * Has been helping with migrating fsf.org Plone to new version, but will leave the rest to sysadmins. | Aug 03 23:41 |
| schestowitz | * Revising Windows 7 text and updating schedule -- seek city permit. " | Aug 03 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Matt lives nearby. | Aug 03 23:42 |
| _Goblin | no sorry, I meant the effort put in to the ascii animation......the text is accurate in places, but obviously shortened intentionally in others, that would require human input.....and that in itself is impressive. | Aug 03 23:42 |
| _Goblin | awww the connection closed.....not sure if thats because the animation had ended or just a problem with the connection..... | Aug 03 23:43 |
| _Goblin | i'd say it was about 85% through the film. | Aug 03 23:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://ping.fm/gMrTw FSF/CampaignsMeetings/2009-07-31 What's that with city permit and Vista 7? Is the FSF organising an action against it? | Aug 03 23:44 | |
| schestowitz | Byfield 's in linux pro mag now.. http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Features/Red-Hat-s-POSSE-introduces-academics-to-FOSS | Aug 03 23:44 |
| fewa | schestowitz, what do you mean? | Aug 03 23:44 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it's coming to the big screen as ascii | Aug 03 23:45 |
| schestowitz | pixels as big as your head ! | Aug 03 23:45 |
| schestowitz | fewa: relicensed the Wiki for use in WIkipedia. I thought someone was making use of it | Aug 03 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I still plan lots to do with the Wiki, to organise it better and expand. It's still messy | Aug 03 23:46 |
| schestowitz | WTF Is Linux? http://elevenislouder.blogspot.com/2009/07/wtf-is-linux.html | Aug 03 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.osnews.com/story/21935/GNOME_To_Drop_Icons_in_Buttons_Menus. "A common complaint about GNOME is that it has a certain fetish for icons. Menu entries, buttons - everything has an icon attached to it which often wastes space needlessly by making buttons larger than they need to be, as well as menus wider than they need to be. The good news (for me, at least) is that the next GNOME release will have all these icons removed." | Aug 03 23:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why the Pembury is full of hot geek ch1xx0rs http://is.gd/21d0e | Aug 03 23:53 | |
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