IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 4th, 2009

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schestowitz"Microsoft's solution to the netbook problem - which it keeps insisting is not a problem - seems to be to try to shift the entire PC industry in a slightly different direction. Setting the monster's lair on fire could work - if customers are willing to spend on a bigger and sleeker system. The recovering economy, as with all such things these days, could be the ultimate arbiter."Aug 04 00:48
schestowitzhttp://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/microsofts_fiery_solution_to_the_netbook_problem.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535Aug 04 00:48
fewaThats called monopoly abuseAug 04 00:49
fewai.e. Huge ad campaign to make people think they need expensive, heavy, low-battery life systemsAug 04 00:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "A long time ago in a Terminal far far way… #Star Wars ASCII style!" http://tinyurl.com/njxgqp #linux #scifiAug 04 00:50
fewa_Goblin, the telnet one.... that is ____old____Aug 04 00:51
fewa(but still cool)Aug 04 00:51
schestowitzMicrosoft Watch is still Microsoft prpagandaAug 04 00:51
schestowitzNicholas KolakowskiAug 04 00:51
_GoblinNew to me though fewa!Aug 04 00:52
fewaepic hackAug 04 00:52
_Goblinschestowitz: Not in the comments section though!Aug 04 00:52
twitterM$ is the netbook problem.Aug 04 00:53
fewa^^Aug 04 00:53
_Goblinschestowitz: MS-Watch returning to the good old days of Linux advocacy due to the majority of its readers being Linux users!Aug 04 00:53
schestowitz"The case of Lance Davis is an unusual one. Most open source administrators wouldn't just abandon a whole community for months on end. Still, the fact that it happened in this case provides a lesson for project administrators about shared responsibility for key components of any open source project. There need to be a few cooks in the kitchen--not just one." http://ostatic.com/blog/centos-lead-administrator-resurfaces-amidst-lessonAug 04 00:53
schestowitzs-learnedAug 04 00:53
schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/centos-lead-administrator-resurfaces-amidst-lessons-learnedAug 04 00:53
fewaMSFT has to suspend the "free" marketAug 04 00:53
fewafor their own self interestAug 04 00:53
schestowitzMIPS Advances its Android Plans--Outside of Phones http://ostatic.com/blog/mips-advances-its-android-plans-outside-of-phonesAug 04 00:54
schestowitzhttp://www.eetimes.com/rss/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218900374&cid=RSSfeed_eetimes_newsRSSAug 04 00:55
schestowitzfewa: Robert X. Cringely: "They [Microsoft] have the deepest of pockets, unlimited  ambition, and they are willing to lose money for years and years just to make sure that you don't make any money, either. And they are mean, REALLY mean."Aug 04 00:56
twitterM$ Watch is idiot ->  Microsoft claims that Windows runs on 96 percent of netbooks,Aug 04 00:58
twitterlieAug 04 00:58
schestowitzSomeone 'stole' _Goblin's theme: http://onepeople.org/node/1563Aug 04 00:58
schestowitztwitter: yesAug 04 00:58
schestowitzI noticed thatAug 04 00:58
schestowitzMicrosoft press loves quoting that lieAug 04 00:58
schestowitzThat's why Microsoft seeds itAug 04 00:58
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fewaWindows doesn't work with SSDs, so they put in Hard DrivesAug 04 01:02
fewaand then when someone drops their Window-running netbook they lose all their dataAug 04 01:02
twitterAh Sweaty B has got to be frantic about all of this, "We want people to be able to get the advantages of lightweight performance and be able to spend more money with us."Aug 04 01:03
twitterLike people want to just open their wallets and dump the contents for a 10 year old OS on a clunky junk laptop.Aug 04 01:04
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twitterThe market is "maturing" in that it's moving toward 2lb notebooks that run for 10 hours, do what people want and cost less than $200.Aug 04 01:05
_Goblinschestowitz: Its not my theme, its one of the Wordpress ones.Aug 04 01:07
schestowitzThe MSBBC article on Red Hat is not as hostile as the interview: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8178929.stmAug 04 01:07
_Goblinschestowitz: The Journalist template by Lucian E. Marin — Built for WordPressAug 04 01:07
fewauggh its horribleAug 04 01:07
schestowitzfewa: yes, they ruin a  marketAug 04 01:08
schestowitzRussian investigates this abuseAug 04 01:08
schestowitzAnd it's inquiring with OEMs tooAug 04 01:08
twitterI like how those dummies at M$ watch think people still want to run M$ Office.  http://slashdot.org/submission/1049029/Ars-Technia-Word-is-Dead-Long-Live-WikisAug 04 01:08
schestowitz"... be able to spend more money with us.""Aug 04 01:08
fewathe MSBBC article openly mocks Red HatAug 04 01:08
twitterW/O clueAug 04 01:08
schestowitz=it's a privilege to pay MicrosoftAug 04 01:08
schestowitzPlease, Microsoft, allow me to spend more money with you..Aug 04 01:08
Diablo-D3schestowitz: soAug 04 01:08
Diablo-D3I think bill gates is a member of scientologyAug 04 01:08
schestowitz_Goblin: I know, I was joking about the theme. It's a good themeAug 04 01:09
twitteronly if you sign the EULA, NDA and anti-competeAug 04 01:09
schestowitz_Goblin: Joe Silcocks [sic] uses that tooAug 04 01:09
_Goblinschestowitz: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoAug 04 01:09
schestowitzfewa: where?Aug 04 01:10
schestowitzI read it in a rushAug 04 01:10
schestowitzI saw some "chaos" thing in itAug 04 01:10
fewaok i guess it gets a little better at the endAug 04 01:11
_Goblinschestowitz: Its coincidental you use silcock...I have a collegue with that name.....I'll never be able to look at him in the same way again....Aug 04 01:11
fewabut it tries to personify a large group f people on a singular entityAug 04 01:12
_Goblinanyways...I'm off to bed....work tomorrow afternoon for a bit....Aug 04 01:12
fewa*a single personAug 04 01:12
_Goblingood night all....Aug 04 01:12
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schestowitzfewa: I read it againAug 04 01:12
schestowitzListen to the interviewAug 04 01:12
schestowitzThe article could be worseAug 04 01:12
schestowitzPeter Day was rude and obnoxiousAug 04 01:12
fewalink?Aug 04 01:13
fewaactually i dont really watch BBC videosAug 04 01:13
schestowitzBBC radioAug 04 01:13
schestowitzI wrote about it in BNAug 04 01:13
schestowitzHold oin..Aug 04 01:13
schestowitzHere: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/30/bbc-and-microsoft-share-staff/Aug 04 01:14
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fewaits the titleAug 04 01:15
fewathat is just FUD and slanderAug 04 01:15
fewaservice is a productAug 04 01:16
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HoustonLawy3rHi all.  I'm trying to view Video Podcasts (e.g. MSNBC, etc.) on Linux.  Any thoughts how I can do this?Aug 04 01:25
schestowitzfewa: yes, I guess soAug 04 01:25
schestowitzBut it's MSBBCAug 04 01:25
schestowitzNot GNUBCAug 04 01:25
schestowitzHoustonLawy3r: what does it use for streaming?Aug 04 01:26
HoustonLawy3rhumm... formerly iTunes downloaded them.Aug 04 01:26
HoustonLawy3rI think mp4 format.Aug 04 01:26
schestowitzThere must be some other choice/route, no?Aug 04 01:26
schestowitzOhAug 04 01:26
schestowitzYou can download and play it then.... assuming the codecs are all installedAug 04 01:26
HoustonLawy3rhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8132577/Aug 04 01:27
fewabut yeah, im overly hostileAug 04 01:27
schestowitzI use Kaffeine as the media player for 'ugly' formatsAug 04 01:27
schestowitzfewa: watch the interview (well, listen rather)Aug 04 01:27
schestowitzI wrote about it brieflyAug 04 01:27
schestowitzPeter Day is a Microsoft-loving' dinosaur for all I can tellAug 04 01:27
schestowitzOl' Auntie and it's 'IP'Aug 04 01:28
HoustonLawy3rlooking though for automatic downloading, e.g. like iTunes has, as terrible as it was, it kept a list of my podcasts and downloaded them regularly so I can watch 'em with the morning coffee.Aug 04 01:28
schestowitzMatthew managed to keep patient and niceAug 04 01:28
schestowitzDespite Peter being an arseAug 04 01:28
schestowitzHoustonLawy3r: you can maybe do that too with a program like Totem, I never triedAug 04 01:29
HoustonLawy3rschestowitz: I'll check it out.  You don't watch podcasts?Aug 04 01:30
schestowitzHoustonLawy3r: http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/Aug 04 01:30
schestowitzHoustonLawy3r: I doAug 04 01:30
schestowitzI either stream them or get Ogg. I avoid MP3 but can play those tooAug 04 01:30
fewaschestowitz, ugghh how dispicableAug 04 01:30
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HoustonLawy3rwill Juicereceiver work with video podcasts?  I'm asking because I think I've seen it before.Aug 04 01:31
schestowitzNo idea..Aug 04 01:31
schestowitzI did a GOogle searchAug 04 01:31
HoustonLawy3rhaha okAug 04 01:31
schestowitzhttp://radio.about.com/od/softwaretogetpodcast1/Software_and_News_Aggregators_to_Receive_Podcasts.htmAug 04 01:31
schestowitzBillions in Lehman Claims Could Bury an Elusive Insurer  < http://www.cnbc.com/id/32235392 >Aug 04 01:33
schestowitzBashing Goldman Sachs Is Simply a Game for Fools: Michael Lewis < http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a2X3hNaWcbeg >Aug 04 01:34
schestowitz'Rumor No. 1: “Goldman Sachs controls the U.S. government.” 'Aug 04 01:34
HoustonLawy3rThanks. I'll check them out.Aug 04 01:37
fewalawl, Goldman Sachs has more people in government than practically anyone elseAug 04 01:38
wallclimberHa!  I wandered off, got involved with work and phone calls and forgot I had xchat running...Aug 04 01:39
fewaHenry Paulson, for example, which defrauded to Government for GSAug 04 01:41
fewaand was a former GS headAug 04 01:41
twitterMicheal Lewis knows what he's talking about.Aug 04 01:42
fewahijacked $12.5 Bil from the AIG bailout, straight to GS coffersAug 04 01:42
fewaOK, the article is well writtenAug 04 01:43
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twitterLOL ->  Our current financial crisis has its roots in a single easily identifiable source: the envy others felt toward Goldman Sachs.Aug 04 01:47
schestowitzfewa: creeeeeeeeeeeepy. http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/hi-res-henry-paulson.jpgAug 04 01:47
schestowitzgnAug 04 01:48
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twitterIck, they do all look alike http://arran.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/willem-dafoe-vampire1.jpgAug 04 02:28
twitterhttp://www.vampire.info/sites/Vampire5.jpgAug 04 02:29
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twitternow, this is creepy http://a.getbackimages.com/uri/w514_h800_cfalse_K1219234645/best-vampire-salem-s-lot/image/4/0/1/1/4011321.jpgAug 04 02:33
Xarver? :PAug 04 02:38
twitterah, I'm taking Michael Lewis's observation that Goldman Sachs people look like each other to it's logical conclusion.Aug 04 02:52
twitterSee http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a2X3hNaWcbegAug 04 02:52
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twitterfollow the links to pictures at the end of the article.Aug 04 02:53
twitterUS Post Office moves to GNU/Linux http://slashdot.org/submission/1037791/US-Post-Office-Moves-to-GNULinuxAug 04 02:53
twittermust be time for M$ to shut it down.Aug 04 02:53
twitterhttp://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12984706Aug 04 02:54
twitterNote that SJMN was recently bought by the Gates Foundation.Aug 04 02:54
cubezzzlol, a microsoft ad poped up with that URLAug 04 02:57
cubezzzforuntately I'm immuneAug 04 02:57
cubezzzanyway, it seems microsoft isn't the dominant force it used to be, especially outside of North AmericaAug 04 02:59
twitterif M$ is not so dominant where computers are made, where's your 10 hour battery life, gnu/linux, ARM netbook?Aug 04 03:05
twitterthis idiot again, David Coursey http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/169498/fccs_interest_in_apple_atandt_google_is_most_welcome.htmlAug 04 03:05
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twitteranother M$ retail partner weakens and falters http://www.pcworld.com/article/169526/name_change_wont_save_radioshack.htmlAug 04 03:46
twitterthere are so few of them left that they should all be doing very wellAug 04 03:46
twitternot looking good http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ARSHAug 04 03:48
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twitterdumb, it's a 17' tall mac with Windows keys http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/theshackkeyboard-2.jpgAug 04 03:54
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twitter->  RadioShack Corp. reported second quarter net income of $48.8 millionAug 04 03:58
twitterthat's not really a lot for the kind of national presence and reputation they have.Aug 04 03:59
twitterhttp://www.fwbusinesspress.com/display.php?id=10707Aug 04 03:59
twitterthough it seems they do better this year than last, both are huge disappointmentsAug 04 04:00
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twitterha ha http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/03/2125223/AP-Will-Sell-You-a-License-To-Words-It-Doesnt-OwnAug 04 04:06
twitter" If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea."Aug 04 04:06
twitterthose 26 words were shamelessly sold by the AP.Aug 04 04:06
twitterfor $12.  What a business model.Aug 04 04:07
twitterI wonder what the whole constitution would costAug 04 04:07
cubezzzRadio Shack is gone hereAug 04 04:08
cubezzzwhich is unfortunate since I liked shopping there in the pastAug 04 04:09
fewahave alot of snuff noone else carriesAug 04 04:09
twitterhave to order online now :-(Aug 04 04:10
twitterRadio Shack part quality took a big quality decline over the last 20 years or so.Aug 04 04:11
cubezzzthey were one of the first to sell computers in North America with the TRS-80'sAug 04 04:11
cubezzzKim-1 and Altair weren't really computers in my bookAug 04 04:12
twitterA hand etching mask is typical.  20 years ago, it came from Denmark.  Then Taiwan, with a big decrease.  Now, if they even carry it, they probably come from China.Aug 04 04:12
*shreddar backAug 04 04:12
twitterThe part from Taiwan was not usable.Aug 04 04:12
cubezzzI liked the old science fair kits :)Aug 04 04:13
twitterha ha, domain name thief arrested.  http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/08/03/1731226/First-Ever-Criminal-Arrest-For-Domain-Name-TheftAug 04 04:14
twitterit's about timeAug 04 04:14
cubezzzI'm not too happy with retail for electronics or computer stuff these daysAug 04 04:15
cubezzzso yeah, pretty much forced to buy onlineAug 04 04:16
shreddarCan someone tell me specifically how people have been messing with the ODF Wikipedia articles?Aug 04 04:18
shreddarI look in the history and can't figure out what the issue is.Aug 04 04:19
shreddarProbably some wiki jargon I'm missingAug 04 04:20
twitterhmmm, Slashdot covered the death of word article after all http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/03/1522245/20-Years-of-MS-Word-and-Why-It-Should-Die-a-Swift-DeathAug 04 04:20
cubezzzword star -> WP -> Word -> ????Aug 04 04:21
twitterWikiAug 04 04:22
cubezzzI guess blogger is the next writing toolAug 04 04:22
twitterthe Ars Technia article does a good job of explaining how the typical M$ doc flow is broken and how Wikis do much better.Aug 04 04:23
shreddarSome up:  Wiki was made for the internet and Word was made for the printerAug 04 04:25
twitterhere's my excerpt ->  People keep doing [passing poorly revisioned Word docs in email and storing them in random network locations], but it is an astoundingly awful way to work.Aug 04 04:25
twitterI chose MediaWiki, the open-source software that powers Wikipedia. It was relatively easy to install on a virtual Linux server. ... The real win, however, was that everyone started using it.  One day you wake up and everything is on a wiki somewhere. How did that happen? It happens in much the same way as typewriters suddenly disappearedbecause a better alternative arrived. Wordand I know I'll be attacked for saying thisis the new Aug 04 04:25
twitterhttp://slashdot.org/submission/1049029/Ars-Technia-Word-is-Dead-Long-Live-WikisAug 04 04:25
twittermostly no one needs to print anymore.Aug 04 04:25
cubezzzI'm sure google has an online app tooAug 04 04:26
shreddarYeah I don't epecially with ink pricesAug 04 04:26
cubezzzpaperless office ftw! :)Aug 04 04:26
twitterfinallyAug 04 04:26
twitterall it took was a little software freedom and timeAug 04 04:26
twitterwiki's offer revision control, easy search, organization and distribution.Aug 04 04:27
cubezzzwhen I invoice a customer it's usually pdf sent by emailAug 04 04:27
twittersure, but you keep the record somewhere elseAug 04 04:27
twitterand your notes on that customer are far more important than a single invoiceAug 04 04:28
shreddarSo twitter do you know about the Wiki vandals?Aug 04 04:29
twitterno, my specialty is Slashdot vandalismAug 04 04:30
shreddarOh then is schesowitz awake?Aug 04 04:30
twitterRoy sleeps.Aug 04 04:30
twitterRoy has a few articles on Wiki vandalism and we know M$ pays people to write favorably in Wikipedia.Aug 04 04:31
shreddarYeah but I wanna know what edits they made.Aug 04 04:31
shreddarThe history links don't help me.Aug 04 04:31
cubezzzgo vandalize Microsoft's page then :)Aug 04 04:31
cubezzzj/kAug 04 04:31
cubezzz"Microsoft's bloatware is extremely aggravating..."Aug 04 04:32
twitterlike with most astrotufing, we can be sure they bury the damage in hundreds of pointless and trivial edits.Aug 04 04:32
twitterthis makes it hard to find.Aug 04 04:32
twittercrap flooding the records.Aug 04 04:33
twitterif you really want to find them, please do.Aug 04 04:33
twitterRoy points to several suspect characters.  You could start by researching their edits.Aug 04 04:33
shreddarWell schestowitz like to 3 of them but I don't understand wiki codeAug 04 04:34
twitterThat's what I do on Slashdot.  It's easier to find the pattern of behavior by looking at individual accounts than it is to find it in the sea of everyone's edits.Aug 04 04:34
twitterYou look at the history page and it shows you what was changed and gives you the option to compare versions.Aug 04 04:35
twitterdigging up moles is best done by looking at the pattern of posting by specific accounts.Aug 04 04:36
shreddarYeah I saw it and I can't tell is smackBot is deleting or adding stuff.Aug 04 04:36
twitterWhen you see them do something really annoying, just go look to see what else they do.Aug 04 04:36
twittersmackbot is also a slashdot troll, I think.Aug 04 04:37
twitternope dneAug 04 04:37
twitterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SmackBotAug 04 04:38
shreddarIt is not a sock puppet, but rather an automated or semi-automated account for making repetitive edits that would be extremely tedious to do manually.Aug 04 04:38
twitterobnoxious ass admits to using automated editing tools.Aug 04 04:39
twitterhmmmph.Aug 04 04:39
fewasmackbot does this {{fact}}-->{{fact|July 2009}}Aug 04 04:40
fewaand other similar thingsAug 04 04:40
shreddarSo he claims things as fact?Aug 04 04:41
fewano he dates the tagAug 04 04:41
shreddarOh are they the wrong dates or something?Aug 04 04:41
fewano its that people insert without a date, and it says when the tag was enteredAug 04 04:42
shreddarokAug 04 04:44
twittercrowded smart phone market ignites into firesales http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/03/AR2009080301881.htmlAug 04 04:50
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shreddarnight nightAug 04 04:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Petition for Amazon to drop DRM from Kindle. http://ur1.ca/8el4Aug 04 05:35
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Omar871Hi guys.Aug 04 06:15
Omar871I'm starting to believe that the end of Microsoft will happen on Steve Ballmer's hands: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10301028-16.htmlAug 04 06:15
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twitterah yes, this is a fun distro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrumi_LinuxAug 04 06:59
twittersadly, they don't still use EnlightenmentAug 04 06:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why the CLI Can Never be Replaced by GUI Entirely http://ping.fm/6YdsvAug 04 08:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Visual Changes in Next GNOME Desktop http://ping.fm/jueHxAug 04 08:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of gOS 3.1 (GNU/Linux) http://ping.fm/Ck7A5Aug 04 08:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Massive GNU/Linux Live DVD, SuperGamer http://ping.fm/hExCDAug 04 08:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat and Cisco Put Closer Around GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/VvlECAug 04 08:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat in the MSBBC http://ping.fm/0hAIwAug 04 08:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Mint 7 with KDE4 is Released http://ping.fm/XABQVAug 04 08:41
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_goblinmorning allAug 04 08:43
schestowitzMorning.Aug 04 08:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Advances to Almost Everything in Electronics http://ping.fm/0WXRwAug 04 08:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People Wipe Windows Off Sub-notebooks to Install More Modern GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/KmJyP http://ping.fm/Yj8j6Aug 04 08:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] After a Billion Firefox Downloads Brand Recognition Can Improve http://ping.fm/JmDVlAug 04 08:56
amarsh04hot water heater being replaced, on a separate circuit but the circuit with the pc lost power briefly whilst installing a new kernelAug 04 08:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Tries to Introduce People to Free Software/Linux Programming http://ping.fm/V6XlBAug 04 08:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ogg Still Central in Discussion About Royalty-Free Web Video http://ping.fm/humDK http://ping.fm/XKOh9Aug 04 09:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FSF Organises to Eliminate DRM from Electronic Books http://ping.fm/AI4qdAug 04 09:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fair-Use Hater Associated Press is 'Stealing' from the Public Domain http://ping.fm/RxJOzAug 04 09:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft-funded SCO Glued a Corner http://ping.fm/saJDBAug 04 09:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google is Mincing and Eating Microsoft's Cash Cow http://ping.fm/Eh3HeAug 04 09:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got work today :( shame.... Mepis 8 review nearly finished as is Zenwalk Gnome....Aug 04 09:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So Andre Da Costa has (finally) admitted to posting under another handle on Cnet (Mr Dee)...I wonder why? #microsoft #windows #vistaAug 04 09:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] You can see his confession on his Twitter. Question is, why have two Cnet commenting accounts? #microsoft #windows #vista #linuxAug 04 09:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] At least this latest confession was made by him an not an alleged "friend" (remember the laptop "gift" incident)...#microsoft #windowsAug 04 09:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I think this can be another example I can include in my submissions to the FTC. #microsoft #vista #7 (BTW screengrab taken Andre)Aug 04 09:21
schestowitzHmmmmmmmm......... http://twit.tv/floss74 Internet 2?????Aug 04 09:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dear NPG, are you sure you're not just being bloody stupid? Love, EFF. http://bit.ly/jAMeY #wikipediaAug 04 09:31
amarsh04children of exiled Uighur leader Rebiya Kadeer have gone on Chinese television criticising their mother http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/04/2645985.htmAug 04 09:44
schestowitzYikesAug 04 09:54
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8168Aug 04 09:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @shadowdaddy RT @arturoronchi perfect b/c twitter is too wordy http://tr.im/voWKAug 04 09:59
amarsh04schestowitz, I saw that story earlier, either because you had posted it or because it was on #groklaw or groklaw.netAug 04 10:03
schestowitzI've just upgraded 2 WordPress blogs. It is good practice to have a look around some pages now to ensure all behave normally.Aug 04 10:04
schestowitzI still need to do BN upgradeAug 04 10:05
amarsh04It was on the news earlier that the .us "birthers" had used an Adelaide man's birth certificate to create the fake Obama first certificateAug 04 10:06
schestowitzUpgrade successfulAug 04 10:11
schestowitz[boycottn@boycottnovell wordpress]$ cp -r * ../../public_html/Aug 04 10:11
schestowitzOn the other two sites I don't need to do it from the CLI :-/Aug 04 10:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] off to interview with company that runs debian. not bloody red hat. could be good.Aug 04 10:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Mr Dee” from CNET Received Laptop Gift/Bribe from Microsoft http://ping.fm/pbqiKAug 04 10:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Only Gave 14,010 Lines of Code http://ping.fm/wkTd9Aug 04 11:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Afinal a Microsoft apenas contribui 14010 linhas de código novo para o kernelAug 04 13:14
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schestowitzGoogle, Yahoo Fined In Argentina Because Searches On Band Name Leads To Porn Sites http://techdirt.com/articles/20090803/0237435749.shtmlAug 04 15:13
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schestowitzMain TPB man is leaving: "Today marks the end of a small era for me, but I am simply leaving a role in order to be a person instead." http://blog.brokep.com/2009/08/03/interlocked-fibers/Aug 04 15:24
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schestowitzAES encryption not as tough as you think http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/03/new_crypto_attack/Aug 04 15:29
schestowitz3 critical bugs in FFAug 04 15:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Flying motorbikes to take off next year: http://ping.fm/JFsm8Aug 04 15:29
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schestowitzUS cyber-security tsar steps down < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8182931.stm >. THis is bad cause there may be candidates from the Redmond MonopolistAug 04 15:43
schestowitz Scientists get a million Linux kernels to run at once < http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43480/108/ >Aug 04 15:44
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schestowitzWhy Schmidt Had To Go < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/03/why-schmidt-had-to-go/  >Aug 04 15:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Citizen Journalism Flourishes in Dark Corners < http://ping.fm/AEm00 > The hope is for decentralisationAug 04 15:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Debian and Ubuntu: uneasy coexistence continues < http://ping.fm/aOBgF > :-/Aug 04 15:57
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schestowitzHehe. http://www.silicon.com/publicsector/0,3800010403,39470603,00.htm This is lamer given the allegationAug 04 16:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: Wikipedia FUD http://bit.ly/M2cUuAug 04 16:33
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schestowitzGoogle News Organizes a Lot More of the World's Information < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/04/google-news-organizes-a-lot-more-of-the-worlds-information >Aug 04 16:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mjasay/status/3126311012 To think I thought Dee was just a jerk RT @schestowitz CNET commentator "Mr. Dee" turns out to be Microsoft-compensated http://ping.fm/pbqiKAug 04 17:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cavang/status/3126431353 "cavang@schestowitz Oh that Mr Dee. And I thought he was retarded"Aug 04 17:02
schestowitzUbuntu gets desktop support for small businesses  http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39703958,00.htmAug 04 17:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] We believe in the freedom to read - I just signed the petition at http://ur1.ca/8el4 to drop DRM on the KindleAug 04 17:08
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schestowitzwb, Xarver Aug 04 17:17
XarverHelloAug 04 17:17
schestowitz"Naked CIO" is attacking Linux again... as alwaysAug 04 17:18
Xarver:PAug 04 17:19
schestowitzhttp://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39469032,00.htmAug 04 17:19
schestowitzBeen slammed before for improper arguments and Microsoft affinity... 'naked' CIOAug 04 17:19
trmancohttp://www.defectivebydesign.org/amazon1984Aug 04 17:23
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trmancochina is censoring the access to chromiumAug 04 17:26
schestowitzThere's some new twitter challenger called GlideAug 04 17:26
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/chromium-discuss/browse_thread/thread/2351db9dca8a58f6Aug 04 17:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "chromium.org cannot be accessed from china. can anyone help me on this?" http://ping.fm/YHNuWAug 04 17:28
schestowitzDomestically, China is very suppressive, the US foreign affairs are as bad, but not at the domestic level, ever. CHina also blocked SFAug 04 17:29
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thenixedreportHey everyone.Aug 04 17:29
thenixedreportHow goes it?Aug 04 17:29
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:30
thenixedreportI decided to give gNewSense a go.Aug 04 17:30
thenixedreportLike it so far.Aug 04 17:30
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:30
schestowitzDoes it work with everything?Aug 04 17:31
schestowitzBTW, you're mentioned here: http://mono-nono.com/2009/08/04/is-the-mono-war-unproductive/Aug 04 17:31
thenixedreportI noticed.Aug 04 17:31
thenixedreportI also commented.Aug 04 17:32
thenixedreportI've also been doing some research into the Church of Emacs parody.Aug 04 17:32
thenixedreportTalented comedians could probably make the thing hilarious.Aug 04 17:32
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:32
thenixedreportHmm...Aug 04 17:33
thenixedreportWith CentOS, is there a way to install from a LiveCD?Aug 04 17:34
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:34
schestowitzhttp://www.heliosinitiative.org/news.phpAug 04 17:34
schestowitz"A child's exposure to technology should never be predicated on the ability to pay for it."Aug 04 17:34
schestowitzthenixedreport: you'd think RMS would do it better after SO much practice....Aug 04 17:35
schestowitzI'm embarrassed to see how rude he can be to intervieweesAug 04 17:35
ThistleWebcentos has a live cd?Aug 04 17:35
schestowitzYeahAug 04 17:35
schestowitzSo does ScientificAug 04 17:35
ThistleWebit's hard to imagine a linux distro that's not available as a live cd these days though, it seems well engrainedAug 04 17:36
schestowitzEven RIPLinux? :-)Aug 04 17:36
schestowitzLive RIPAug 04 17:36
thenixedreportBtw, gNewSense literally avoids non-free stuff.Aug 04 17:37
schestowitzhttp://rip.7bf.de/current/Aug 04 17:37
ThistleWebI'm waiting for a Deadora Live CDAug 04 17:37
thenixedreportI put it on my Breeze 3110 system, because it has Intel graphics.Aug 04 17:37
thenixedreportIt picked up everything easily.Aug 04 17:37
schestowitzthenixedreport: I hear they work on removing Mono, tooAug 04 17:37
ThistleWebthere's already a poster made for it "wanted, dead or alive"Aug 04 17:37
schestowitzthenixedreport: is that a GWB poster?Aug 04 17:38
thenixedreportOh, and you do have to remove Tomboy, F-Spot, etc...Aug 04 17:38
thenixedreport?Aug 04 17:38
thenixedreportGWB?Aug 04 17:38
ThistleWebdubyaAug 04 17:38
thenixedreportOh.Aug 04 17:38
thenixedreportWhat is?Aug 04 17:38
schestowitzBush said, ""wanted, dead or alive"Aug 04 17:38
schestowitzTexan thing..Aug 04 17:38
thenixedreportAh.Aug 04 17:38
ThistleWebyeah, just like'um achestoral cowboysAug 04 17:38
thenixedreportExcept Bush was not a real cowboy.Aug 04 17:38
ThistleWebtrueAug 04 17:39
thenixedreportHis father was from the east coast originally.Aug 04 17:39
schestowitzHe is said to be faking the accentAug 04 17:39
thenixedreportThat is actually true.Aug 04 17:39
ThistleWebI'm just surprised someone aint spotted the deadora nameAug 04 17:39
schestowitzThat's what I heard. Trained to change the Harvard-acquired background and instead shop down trees and stuffAug 04 17:39
schestowitz*chopAug 04 17:39
thenixedreportIf you listen to his speeches while he campaigned for governor, he sounds a lot different than he did as president of the U.S.Aug 04 17:39
schestowitzSome say he deliberately mispronounces workdsAug 04 17:40
ThistleWebyou could put that down to living in the area for longer, spending more time with the peeps who all speak in a simialr accentAug 04 17:40
schestowitzThat leads to the 'rich' people mocking him and getting him sympathy from lower classes. That's what I heardAug 04 17:40
ThistleWebyou pick stuff up and mimic it without thinking about itAug 04 17:40
thenixedreportBingo.Aug 04 17:41
thenixedreportHe knew how to be a politician.Aug 04 17:41
ThistleWebyeah, well he ahd to find somethingAug 04 17:41
ThistleWebhe was a useless POS at everything leseAug 04 17:41
ThistleWebelse*Aug 04 17:41
ThistleWebuhm....hang on.....Aug 04 17:41
schestowitzWearing battle gears ans vests... McCain did the sameAug 04 17:41
schestowitzVietnam/Korea war stories...Aug 04 17:41
schestowitzAt least he actually foughtAug 04 17:41
ThistleWebhe was a useless POS as a Pres tooAug 04 17:41
schestowitzThe GWB cabinet was all chickenhawksAug 04 17:42
schestowitzEven his daughters didn't serve, if memory serves....Aug 04 17:42
ThistleWebfoghorn leghornAug 04 17:42
schestowitzLonghorn?Aug 04 17:42
schestowitzLonghorn Reborn=WIndows 7Aug 04 17:42
ThistleWebah say, ah say, ash boyAug 04 17:42
ThistleWeb2that there is a terrorist, not an ally"Aug 04 17:43
schestowitzBTW, I have no problem with them not serving, BUT....Aug 04 17:43
schestowitzThe issue is that of hypocrisyAug 04 17:43
schestowitzThat they send kids to die abroad when it fact they did nothing of this kind themselvesAug 04 17:43
trmancoThis is Web.com's first appearance as joint number one. Web.com is the only company in this month's top ten whose site is served by Microsoft IIS/5.0.Aug 04 17:43
schestowitzArmchair warriers.Aug 04 17:43
schestowitz*iorsAug 04 17:43
trmancohttp://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/08/04/most_reliable_hosting_company_sites_in_july_2009.htmlAug 04 17:44
ThistleWebto be fair, you cant get to the top jobs in the land if you put your ass potentially in the line of a bulletAug 04 17:45
schestowitzHehe. I know without looking, trmanco Aug 04 17:45
schestowitzThey need to clean upAug 04 17:45
thenixedreportHey Roy.Aug 04 17:45
thenixedreportIn terms of software and liberty, which would you view as more appropriate?Aug 04 17:45
schestowitztrmanco: they can't handle Linux 2.6Aug 04 17:45
thenixedreportFree Software?Aug 04 17:45
thenixedreportOr...Aug 04 17:46
thenixedreportFreedomware?Aug 04 17:46
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:46
schestowitzFreedomwareAug 04 17:46
schestowitzLike libervis saysAug 04 17:46
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:46
schestowitzFree means cheap in people's mindsAug 04 17:46
thenixedreportExactly.Aug 04 17:46
thenixedreportI remember when I first blogged that word, and then suddenly, it shows up in other places.Aug 04 17:46
thenixedreportI was so excited.Aug 04 17:46
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:46
thenixedreportEven if it had nothing to do with what I wrote.Aug 04 17:47
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:47
thenixedreportSo has anyone ever run CentOS?Aug 04 17:48
thenixedreportAnd if so, what are your thoughts?Aug 04 17:48
schestowitzBN runs on CentOSAug 04 17:50
thenixedreportSweet.Aug 04 17:50
schestowitzCentOS is just RHEL without the support. BN used to be on RHELAug 04 17:50
thenixedreportWhat about as a desktop?Aug 04 17:50
schestowitzNever triedAug 04 17:50
thenixedreportAh.Aug 04 17:50
thenixedreportI'm about to.Aug 04 17:50
schestowitzI used Red Hat 9 and FedorasAug 04 17:50
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:50
thenixedreportIn VirtualBox anyway.Aug 04 17:50
schestowitzNot much in the reops I thinkAug 04 17:50
thenixedreportFedora is good too.Aug 04 17:50
thenixedreportUnfortunately, it is bleeding edge, so not all vendors are going to be able to keep up.Aug 04 17:51
schestowitz*repos filled with server stuff, I imagine...Aug 04 17:51
schestowitzBut it's RHEL compatible, so it might make a difference (binary compatibility)Aug 04 17:51
thenixedreportFor example, in the latest version, some ATI cards may have a hard time running FGLRX.Aug 04 17:51
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:51
schestowitzthenixedreport: so you reburn the CD and try another distroAug 04 17:51
schestowitzI'm prsonally happy about KDE4Aug 04 17:51
schestowitzIt's shaping up well. I used 4.1 and it was good. 4.3 looks a lot better (sjvn review)Aug 04 17:52
schestowitzKDE has new Oxygem and PlasmaAug 04 17:52
schestowitzNew: http://www.kdenews.org/2009/08/03/ongoing-oxygen-icons-usability-survey-kdevelopAug 04 17:52
schestowitzIt looks better than the competitionAug 04 17:52
thenixedreportThey're going to blow GNOME out of the water.Aug 04 17:52
schestowitzQt has for long been better (black shades) than OS X and *yuck* Windows [any version]Aug 04 17:53
schestowitzGNOME is goodAug 04 17:53
thenixedreportYeah.Aug 04 17:53
schestowitzThey get rid of icons nowAug 04 17:53
schestowitzNo idea whyAug 04 17:53
thenixedreportIt's a great cross platform tool.Aug 04 17:53
schestowitzI like buttons with iconsAug 04 17:53
schestowitzQt has some tooAug 04 17:53
thenixedreportI liked the icons too.  :(Aug 04 17:53
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 17:53
schestowitzMany developers don't use themAug 04 17:53
schestowitz"V" for OK, "X" in red for cancelAug 04 17:53
schestowitzIn QtKDE there's not much in terms of icons, except toolbarsAug 04 17:54
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schestowitzpts2 is out: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pts_20_release&num=1Aug 04 17:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I wish there was a blob-free Mandriva derivative, like BLAG for Fedora and gnewsense to UbuntuAug 04 18:01
trmancoa new snapshot of arch linux is near releaseAug 04 18:01
schestowitzAdding a widescreen monitor in Linux < http://www.ghacks.net/2009/08/03/adding-a-widescreen-monitor-in-linux/ >     <---hm..... this out to have been GUI only.. works for meAug 04 18:02
schestowitztrmanco: have you seen zfs snapshots?Aug 04 18:02
schestowitzI heard FLOSS Weekly on SolarisAug 04 18:03
schestowitzI'm becoming envious of zfs. We need the same in btrfs... you can watch the history of file changes and backtrack selectively. Super-useful....Aug 04 18:03
trmancothats a file system, never used it beforeAug 04 18:03
schestowitzhttp://twit.tv/floss75Aug 04 18:04
trmancoit's kinda like a version control system I guessAug 04 18:04
thenixedreportI like how OpenSolaris looks, but I wasn't able to get OpenOffice.org onto it.Aug 04 18:04
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 18:04
schestowitztrmanco: yesAug 04 18:04
trmancothat's weirdAug 04 18:04
schestowitzMac OS X ran awayAug 04 18:04
schestowitzNo zfsAug 04 18:04
trmancokde 4.3 is officially outAug 04 18:05
schestowitzThis is the chance Linux has to serve another blow, feature-wiseAug 04 18:05
schestowitzTo both Mac OS X and Vista 7Aug 04 18:05
schestowitzbtrfs is in 2.6.30 iircAug 04 18:05
trmancomac os ran away from what?Aug 04 18:05
schestowitztrmanco: yes, predictable release dateAug 04 18:05
thenixedreportGoogle?Aug 04 18:05
trmancoahAug 04 18:05
thenixedreportPsystar?Aug 04 18:05
schestowitzBeranger looked at kde.org JavaScriptAug 04 18:05
schestowitzIt gave away release dateAug 04 18:05
schestowitzthenixedreport: zfsAug 04 18:06
schestowitzThey had more urgent shiiiinies.... and sparking...... gadgets on firaAug 04 18:06
schestowitz*fireAug 04 18:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE 4.3 is out http://ping.fm/rlcSnAug 04 18:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks London lawyers threaten "copyright infringement" over journal releasing legal threat letters http://bit.ly/bwvtQAug 04 18:15
trmancohttp://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10302768-248.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20Aug 04 18:18
trmancoanother microsoft failAug 04 18:18
trmancoseen they will be closing bing tooAug 04 18:18
schestowitzUbuntu 9.04 – First Impressions   < http://techevolve.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/ubuntu-9-04-first-impressions/ > "Well, not much of a first impressions on Ubuntu, is it? For lack of time (and an angry mom behind my shoulder waiting to read her e-mails), I’ll post my real first impressions in a bit."Aug 04 18:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] World Net Daily could be the greatest news source in the world, maybe http://is.gd/22iXVAug 04 18:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I say we find the geek responsible for http://www.lichfielddc.gov.uk/data and sneak them into every other local council in the UK in turn.Aug 04 18:29
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schestowitzzoobab01:  http://www.h-online.com/open/Open-Invention-Network-starts-buying-patents--/news/113918 http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/open-invention-network-announces-launch,912851.shtmlAug 04 18:34
schestowitztrmanco: yes, been about 2 weeks since last project they killed... they average about 1 dead project/2.5 weeks, for the past yearAug 04 18:36
schestowitzWindows Live Events “retiring” in 2010 http://www.liveside.net/main/archive/2009/08/03/windows-live-events-retiring-in-2010.aspxAug 04 18:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks London lawyers threaten "copyright infringement" over journal releasing legal threat letters http://bit.ly/bwvtQAug 04 18:39
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kevin009have you guys seen this?Aug 04 18:50
kevin009http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/tech/Cal-State-Student-Faces-10-Year-Prison-Term-for-Playing-with-Video-Games-52386872.htmlAug 04 18:51
kevin009the evil super power is at it again... trying to dumb down the world by preventing us from turning a hammer  into a screwdriver (or a game console into a general purpose computing device)Aug 04 18:52
kevin009it makes me sickAug 04 18:52
*schestowitz looksAug 04 18:52
schestowitzDigital Millennium Copyright Act.Aug 04 18:53
kevin009they try to spin it as though the only reason one would modify a console is to run illegal gamesAug 04 18:53
schestowitzHave they spread this DMCA virus to all countries yet?Aug 04 18:53
schestowitzIIRC there are a few countries where Mickey Mouse didn't manage tom buy this law?Aug 04 18:53
kevin009they're trying... i read something about canadaAug 04 18:53
schestowitzMicrosoft helpedAug 04 18:53
schestowitzThey lied to Canadian parliamentAug 04 18:54
schestowitzLet me find itAug 04 18:54
kevin009when I was going to school I read an article about turning a sega dreamcast into a router :)Aug 04 18:54
kevin009using linux... it sounded coolAug 04 18:54
schestowitzhttp://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2670/125/Aug 04 18:54
kevin009they will eventually attack people who modify their ipods to play ogg vorbis filesAug 04 18:55
schestowitzYesAug 04 18:55
schestowitzOr TiVo hackersAug 04 18:55
kevin009that is why this must not be tolerated... its just one more step in that directionAug 04 18:55
schestowitz"We sell it to you, but you can't own it"Aug 04 18:55
schestowitz"here, have a cucumber.... but if you eat it with a fork we'll throw you in a sell"Aug 04 18:56
schestowitz*cellAug 04 18:57
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thenixedreportMan.Aug 04 18:58
thenixedreportThat is horrible.Aug 04 18:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Acer Touch Books to Run Linux, Apparently http://ping.fm/AXPoBAug 04 19:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Google Chrome OS (Linux) Can Become a Success http://ping.fm/BMcoFAug 04 19:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] USB Utilities Are Built on Linux http://ping.fm/KnYqN http://ping.fm/XXtxmAug 04 19:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Phoronix Test Suite 2.0 is Released to Compare Distributions/Kernels/DEs http://ping.fm/f4YmAAug 04 19:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FSlint: Utility/Applications for Keeping GNU/Linux Nice and Tidy http://ping.fm/qdeAfAug 04 19:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sugar Gets Wired Coverage http://ping.fm/Cp53nAug 04 19:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at Mandriva Linux 2010.0 Alpha 2 http://ping.fm/arncL http://ping.fm/fz4GJAug 04 19:43
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schestowitzThere are more candidates than Apple who may inherit the "Evil" status of MSFT (and formerly IBM). Google seems a little scary.....Aug 04 19:53
MinceRnot a littleAug 04 19:54
thenixedreportI agree.Aug 04 19:54
thenixedreport:)Aug 04 19:54
thenixedreportIt isn't just Microsoft.Aug 04 19:54
schestowitzThe FSF has been good at never iconifying any company. They distrust the,.Aug 04 19:55
schestowitz*themAug 04 19:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Enthusiastic Coverage of Free Software in the Press http://ping.fm/FGyH8 http://ping.fm/T1Rfu http://ping.fm/CAGl7Aug 04 19:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Firefox 3.5 Outpaces the Success of 3.0 http://ping.fm/Wl1R5Aug 04 20:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wikipedia Extends Reach for Free Content http://ping.fm/FQc8mAug 04 20:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mother of 3-D, OpenGL 3.2, is Released http://ping.fm/9Eq4pAug 04 20:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Abuse Against the Public with DMCA and DRM (Laws/Practices from Hell) http://ping.fm/B36mJAug 04 20:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Man Shows Intellectual Monopolies Are Unnecessary to Artists http://ping.fm/YPe27Aug 04 20:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Filters: Epic Fail http://ping.fm/7OYM2Aug 04 20:22
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schestowitzpin wallclimber Aug 04 20:27
schestowitz*pingAug 04 20:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virtualisation Benefits GNU/Linux Growth http://ping.fm/svHpXAug 04 20:27
wallclimberHi!Aug 04 20:28
wallclimberhow is everyone today?Aug 04 20:29
taconedrinking coca col...errr.. pepsi O:-)Aug 04 20:30
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wallclimberI've been discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of MSOffice with a friend...it's been quite interestingAug 04 20:33
wallclimberthey wondered if they could still do their work using Open OfficeAug 04 20:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Opposition to Mono is Healthy http://ping.fm/0WQA3Aug 04 20:33
schestowitzwallclimber: I'm fine thinksAug 04 20:34
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schestowitzMicrosoft.. not so much:Aug 04 20:34
schestowitzWindows Live Events shutting down soonAug 04 20:34
schestowitzMicrosoft has decided to close down Windows Live Events and will be focusing its development efforts on building event planning and management tools for Windows Live Calendar instead. Beginning next month, users of Windows Live Events will be unable to create new events. And sometime next year, the site will simply redirect to Live Calendar instead. Aug 04 20:34
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10302768-248.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20Aug 04 20:34
schestowitzWindows Live Events “retiring” in 2010Aug 04 20:34
schestowitzhttp://www.liveside.net/main/archive/2009/08/03/windows-live-events-retiring-in-2010.aspxAug 04 20:34
schestowitzWindows Live Events retiring in 2010Aug 04 20:34
schestowitzhttp://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!41244.entryAug 04 20:34
wallclimbersheesh, how many things have they shut down over the last several months?Aug 04 20:34
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wallclimbermost of the services they've shut down I'd never heard of anyway...Aug 04 20:35
schestowitzwallclimber: I find office suites not necessaryAug 04 20:35
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schestowitzUnless: someone sends a file in the wrong formAug 04 20:36
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wallclimberI never use them at allAug 04 20:36
schestowitzOr it's a spreadsheetAug 04 20:36
schestowitzThen I use KofficeAug 04 20:36
schestowitzKSpreadAug 04 20:36
schestowitzwallclimber: MSFT shut down about 20 in recent monthsAug 04 20:36
schestowitzAveraging at about 1 per 2.5 weeksAug 04 20:36
schestowitzRough count though; depends what qualifies as closure. But it's lookin' grim. More layoffs will come before VIsta 7, I reckon.Aug 04 20:37
wallclimberyeah, i have abi word installed, but mostly, if someone sends an office file i can't open i just tell them to send it in plain textAug 04 20:37
schestowitzYeha, plain textAug 04 20:37
schestowitzJust not HTMLAug 04 20:37
schestowitzWOrd can't do HTMLAug 04 20:37
schestowitzI like HTML for many reasonsAug 04 20:37
schestowitzBut Latex is better and increasingly WikiAug 04 20:37
wallclimberwell, if they send me formatted stuff, i just have to clean the formatting out anywayAug 04 20:37
schestowitzI code HTML in Kate for everything in BN blogAug 04 20:37
wallclimberi've heard that latex is great, but difficult to learnAug 04 20:38
schestowitzBTW, from your mails I need to redo stylingAug 04 20:38
schestowitzThe blod and underline and all won't work when pasting and the message source is messyAug 04 20:38
schestowitzI think the least lossy way is WikiAug 04 20:38
schestowitzFrom Wiki I can select HTML sourceAug 04 20:38
schestowitzOr use Wiki syntaxAug 04 20:38
schestowitzSo in E-mail HTML will get 'flattened' onto the messageAug 04 20:39
schestowitzI have this issue when I when I wrote for a publicationAug 04 20:39
schestowitzEventually I just uploded the HTML to a Web server and had the E-mail point to that file. Yeah.. the 'joys' of E-mail.Aug 04 20:39
schestowitzwallclimber: latex is easyAug 04 20:39
schestowitzUse a front endAug 04 20:40
schestowitzLike Kile or LyXAug 04 20:40
schestowitzIt's easier than OOoAug 04 20:40
wallclimberanything's easier than OOAug 04 20:40
schestowitzDepends on one's habits of writing (schools teach it wrong)Aug 04 20:40
wallclimber.oAug 04 20:40
wallclimberI do layouts for print, so i've always used programs like pagemaker (back in the 90s) and InDesign, and more recently, ScribusAug 04 20:41
schestowitzMicrosoft's sidewalk memorial to Encarta, Money and other fossils http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/A_memorial_to_Encarta_Money_Bob_and_other_Microsoft_fossils49390432.htmlAug 04 20:41
schestowitzMicrosoft Encarta died - why? And will its contents be lost? http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/fsm_newsletter_12_april_2009_encarta_diedAug 04 20:41
schestowitzMicrosoft Slaps PC Gamers, Decides to Close Ensemble Studios http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-ensemble-halo-age-empires,6343.htmlAug 04 20:42
schestowitzWhen DRM detonates your music collection http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article3898784.eceAug 04 20:42
schestowitzAnd so on..Aug 04 20:42
wallclimberI saw the memorial sidewalk (courtyard?)Aug 04 20:42
schestowitzTrophy yard for Bill and SteveAug 04 20:42
wallclimberDead trophiesAug 04 20:43
wallclimberlike stuffed heads on the wallAug 04 20:43
schestowitzI need to prepare new Comes matrialAug 04 20:43
schestowitzThere's none on the queue except the WikiAug 04 20:43
schestowitzBut I have some coming, just requires time (probably tomorrow)Aug 04 20:43
schestowitzI spent too much time today at the Post Office (German passports need mail to be registered)Aug 04 20:44
wallclimberwell, let me know...i'll look into latex...i found the wiki stuff a little dauntingAug 04 20:44
schestowitzwallclimber: no, it's like ol' BIll and SyteveAug 04 20:44
schestowitzThey'll go there when they are broke and out oft he limo (unlikely)Aug 04 20:44
schestowitzThen sob over Bob and VistaAug 04 20:44
schestowitzwallclimber: sudo apt-get install lyxAug 04 20:45
wallclimberi'm doing it right nowAug 04 20:45
schestowitzIt ought to grab all the deps, inc latex and ghostscript (not a dep)Aug 04 20:45
schestowitzI used it to write my thesis and other papersAug 04 20:45
schestowitzNot bad for a little "Linux app:"Aug 04 20:46
schestowitzAlso, it's the previous project from the guy who made KDEAug 04 20:46
schestowitzKDE 4.3 out todayAug 04 20:46
wallclimberit's installing...Aug 04 20:47
schestowitzKnuth made itAug 04 20:48
schestowitzMister LgoAug 04 20:48
schestowitz*AlgoAug 04 20:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Did Jesus reveal the name of the "antichrist"? http://notnews.today.com/?p=582Aug 04 20:54
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schestowitztessier: put Android or something on OpenMoko (they say it works with a newer kernel): http://twit.tv/floss69Aug 04 21:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Maintains Pace of 1 Dead Product Every 2 Weeks: Latest Casualty is Windows Live Events http://ping.fm/3bdRJAug 04 22:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft .NET Tries to Piggyback OLPC, Novell Helps the Same Cause http://ping.fm/Eo3c2Aug 04 23:09
trmancohttp://a17.video2.blip.tv/1810001708907/Jospoortvliet-KDE43DesktopWorkspaceDemo820.ogvAug 04 23:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @mashable IE6 No More! Popular Web Companies Start Project to Kill IE6 http://bit.ly/gZ6czAug 04 23:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @somecanuckchick IE6 must die. (IE6 No More: http://www.ie6nomore.com/ ) #IE6nomore #IE6mustdie #killIE6Aug 04 23:49
schestowitztrmanco: nice.Aug 04 23:50
schestowitzI'll make that a <video>Aug 04 23:50
trmanco:)Aug 04 23:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "You know you have made it when………pt2" a reply to Openbytes http://tinyurl.com/pqxv8j #microsoft #linux #windows #vista #xp #7Aug 04 23:54
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