IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 7th, 2009

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Balrog_hi everyoneAug 07 00:45
taconeheyAug 07 00:46
Balrog_mono lovers are annoying :(Aug 07 00:46
taconemono lovers are not annoyingAug 07 00:50
taconemono trolls areAug 07 00:50
neighborleeyesAug 07 00:50
taconespreading disinformation and fomenting a warAug 07 00:50
taconemono lovers and haters have one common goalAug 07 00:50
taconeclarification.Aug 07 00:50
neighborleejust like berthersAug 07 00:50
neighborleeequally annoying, and equally transparent to most usersAug 07 00:51
taconeputting aside schestowitz's "Api control" concern what we want is just a decent patent covenant.Aug 07 00:51
schestowitzMr. "O'Brian" is goneAug 07 00:51
schestowitzI reckon it was a Novell shill, living nearcyAug 07 00:51
taconetoday popey told me what I'd basically traduce in 'you're a BN shill'Aug 07 00:52
taconewhat ?!...Aug 07 00:52
Balrog_mono lovers think it's the best thing since sliced breadAug 07 00:52
schestowitzMicrosoft Keeps Running from the Law… and from Tax http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/06/msft-not-paying-income-tax/Aug 07 00:52
neighborleesoI read something about fspot and    banshee being rewritten..whats up thereAug 07 00:52
neighborleeat ITWire commment sectionAug 07 00:52
schestowitzBanshee as an OSAug 07 00:53
taconeneighborlee: fspot on top of banshee. but some people say no, just some parts... i guess nobody knows yet what they're gonna do.Aug 07 00:53
schestowitzSort ofAug 07 00:53
neighborleeicAug 07 00:53
taconelol, schestowitz, yes. i thought about thatAug 07 00:53
schestowitzGNOME 3.0 visions maybeAug 07 00:53
taconebanshee to browse files. kind of.Aug 07 00:53
schestowitzI heard Novell takes a lead role in GNOME 3Aug 07 00:53
schestowitzThey have MiguelAug 07 00:53
neighborleeI thought miguel was OUT of gnomeAug 07 00:53
taconebe sure to browse your files with a moonlight UI.Aug 07 00:53
schestowitzneighborlee: not reallyAug 07 00:53
neighborleeor so I heard,,sometime ago..though I DID WONDER even thenAug 07 00:53
Balrog_sigh :\Aug 07 00:53
schestowitzHe left the president's position quietlyAug 07 00:53
schestowitzDid anyone ever replace him?Aug 07 00:54
neighborleeahhhhhAug 07 00:54
schestowitzAnd if so, who?Aug 07 00:54
neighborleegood questoinAug 07 00:54
neighborleetionAug 07 00:54
Balrog_schestowitz: BN made it to the front page of slashdot!Aug 07 00:54
Balrog_you might know it alreadyAug 07 00:54
neighborleeI take it,,no change in position from greater oss community about MCP ??Aug 07 00:55
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taconehttp://mono-nono.com/2009/08/07/its-ok-when-we-do-it/Aug 07 01:01
taconeomgAug 07 01:03
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neighborleeunless RMS has changed his mind from 7 of 9 09 I guess answer is definitive no .: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26166/1090/Aug 07 01:05
neighborleeanswerd my own questionAug 07 01:05
neighborleeeredAug 07 01:05
taconeomg, i can't wait for having the moonlight banshee on my desktopAug 07 01:16
taconeit'll have to run under a browser, but... who cares ?Aug 07 01:17
schestowitzBalrog: it did?Aug 07 01:36
schestowitzOopsAug 07 01:36
schestowitzThat's why the server is so slowAug 07 01:36
schestowitzWhat post?Aug 07 01:36
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Diablo-D3http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/06/2322209/Microsoft-Patents-XML-Word-Processing-Documents?from=rssAug 07 01:39
Diablo-D3wtfAug 07 01:39
schestowitzI didn't realise some articles in BN have PageRank 6Aug 07 01:40
Diablo-D3thats a pretty shitty patentAug 07 01:40
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ISO Finds a Home at Microsoft, Hostility Towards ODF Made Subtle http://bit.ly/YUOedAug 07 02:03
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Balrog_schestowitz: yesAug 07 02:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 Hard to Install, Slower Than Vista Sometimes http://bit.ly/E44jiAug 07 02:46
schestowitzgnAug 07 02:47
cubezzzbah, I have to still dual-boot for this one job :-/Aug 07 03:03
cubezzzscanning slidesAug 07 03:03
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XarverGuys, I made a group for programming on viddler.comAug 07 03:38
XarverSo that people could share high quality videos on programmingAug 07 03:39
XarverHere it is :P http://www.viddler.com/groups/programmers/Aug 07 03:39
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twitterUFbeliveable http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/06/2322209/Microsoft-Patents-XML-Word-Processing-DocumentsAug 07 04:10
twitterM$ gets patent on XMLAug 07 04:11
twitterall XMLAug 07 04:11
twitterUSTPO is really stupid.Aug 07 04:11
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twitterha ha, http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/08/06/2030208/How-Can-I-Tell-If-My-Computer-Is-Part-of-a-BotnetAug 07 04:17
twitterif it runs Windows, it's owned,Aug 07 04:17
cubezzzthis is old but... http://www.osnews.com/permalink?307047Aug 07 04:30
cubezzzMac got hacked first, then Windows, then UbuntuAug 07 04:30
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twitterISO in Redmond?  I wonder if protests can be organized.Aug 07 04:44
twitterBanners and eggs flying!Aug 07 04:45
neighborleeif so, this is one I can go to ;))Aug 07 04:55
twittereveryone is invited to throw eggs at ISO and M$ reps.Aug 07 04:55
neighborleeheheAug 07 04:56
neighborleegee, if its anything like what republicans are doing to democratic townhalls over healthcare...it should be a HIT ;)Aug 07 05:03
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cubezzztrue and ridiculous story:Aug 07 05:20
cubezzz"I purchased a SEALED OEM copy of XP Professional. WGA said the license key was already used. I called MS and they said I should uninstall and buy another copy. I told them I wasn’t made of money and hung-up."Aug 07 05:20
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Diablo-D3cubezzz: lolwhatAug 07 05:21
Diablo-D3I wasnt aware you can buy OEM copies with the sticker in the bagAug 07 05:21
cubezzzcouldn't it be on the outside of the jewel case?Aug 07 05:22
Diablo-D3noAug 07 05:22
Diablo-D3because most oem copies dont even have a discAug 07 05:22
Diablo-D3in fact, most oem copies are _only_ a stickerAug 07 05:22
Diablo-D3dell, hp/compaq, whoever else ship a CD that isnt microsoft produced and contains specific modifications for that boxAug 07 05:23
Diablo-D3(usually drivers and shit only, but some fucktards include extra software)Aug 07 05:23
cubezzzwell on some laptops there's a license key on the bottom of the unit, I guess it would be possible for someone to get that numberAug 07 05:24
Diablo-D3thats the sticker.Aug 07 05:24
cubezzzI can't verify the story btwAug 07 05:24
Diablo-D3I wonder what small time oems buyAug 07 05:25
cubezzzmerely quoting this blogAug 07 05:25
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Diablo-D3I assume its just a broken down version of a retail boxAug 07 05:25
Diablo-D3cubezzz: wellAug 07 05:25
Diablo-D3Im really wonderingAug 07 05:25
Diablo-D3if the guy bought a chinese fake off ebayAug 07 05:25
Diablo-D3microsoft's software is the most counterfeited shit out thereAug 07 05:25
cubezzzI see the WGA message come up a lot latelyAug 07 05:26
neighborleeperfect timing for either linux or mac I guess to sneak in and offer competition ..which is good for all.if they can we'll see o_0Aug 07 05:26
Diablo-D3neighborlee: hehAug 07 05:27
Diablo-D3I like apple for one reasonAug 07 05:27
cubezzzsomeone buys a used latop, then later the WGA message comes up...Aug 07 05:27
Diablo-D3they dont really give much of a fuck if you pirate osxAug 07 05:27
neighborleeoh ??Aug 07 05:27
neighborleehehAug 07 05:27
Diablo-D3they're a hardware business not a software businessAug 07 05:27
Diablo-D3theres only one disc produced, the retail discAug 07 05:27
Diablo-D3it has no serialAug 07 05:27
neighborleewoahAug 07 05:31
neighborleehad no ideaAug 07 05:31
neighborleenever owned mac OSAug 07 05:31
Diablo-D3I think they used to produce an upgrade disc that just made you insert your first osx discAug 07 05:32
Diablo-D3but I dont think they make it anymoreAug 07 05:32
neighborleewowAug 07 05:32
Diablo-D3and certain models required special discs (but that wasnt for anti-piracy shit, the model required software/drivers not on the normal retail disc)Aug 07 05:32
cubezzzthe WGA thing popping up is a real turn offAug 07 05:34
Diablo-D3WGA is stupid anyhowAug 07 05:35
Diablo-D3just produce a free version of windows alreadyAug 07 05:35
Diablo-D3thats the only way they can win anyhowAug 07 05:35
neighborleevery possibleAug 07 05:37
cubezzzI like looking at the source code though :)Aug 07 05:38
Diablo-D3cubezzz: I dontAug 07 05:40
Diablo-D3Ive seen that famous win2k source leakAug 07 05:40
Diablo-D3its piles and piles and piles of shitAug 07 05:40
cubezzzDiablo-D3, yeah I betAug 07 05:40
Diablo-D3I mean, it wasnt even CAug 07 05:40
Diablo-D3its that weird microsoft CAug 07 05:40
cubezzzcan you actually compile it?Aug 07 05:40
Diablo-D3with variable types INALLCAPSAug 07 05:40
Diablo-D3probably notAug 07 05:40
cubezzzI never liked programming for windows reallyAug 07 05:42
cubezzzLinux isn't the easiest thing to learn but I found it more logical than dozeAug 07 05:42
neighborleewell, I suspect it entirely depends on a users needsAug 07 05:48
neighborleeif your only doing web surfing.some text editing, blah..prob. a non brainerAug 07 05:48
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schestowitzTwatter [sic] is still all twatty today from the DDOSAug 07 07:59
schestowitzPeople hopefully pay attention and make note of what Windows zombies do to digital lives, even HOSPITALSAug 07 07:59
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schestowitzEntertainment Industry Decides FileSoup Doesn't Have Enough Publicity; Has Owner Arrested < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090805/1847415781.shtml >Aug 07 08:07
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090726/1536245664.shtml (Are Legal Briefs Filed With A Court Covered By Copyright?)Aug 07 08:12
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fewa_noAug 07 08:22
schestowitz"What A Job: Making Sure No Brands Appear In A Movie" http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/06/microsoft-should-avoid-branding-issue-for-office-web-versionAug 07 08:23
schestowitz"Microsoft is reportedly now the owner of the domain Office.com. "Aug 07 08:23
schestowitzWindows still hammering on Twitter http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/06/twitter-goes-down-no-cute-whale-to-soften-the-blowAug 07 08:26
schestowitzFacebook under DDOS attack as well: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/06/facebook-tweets-that-service-is-restoredAug 07 08:27
schestowitzTwitter, Facebook, Google Team Up After Attacks? < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/06/twitter-facebook-google-team-up-after-attacks >Aug 07 08:27
schestowitzTwitter thwacked < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1496564/twitter-thwacked >Aug 07 08:31
schestowitzGawker is also under DDOS, as is Twitter (and Facebook): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/gawker_ddos/Aug 07 08:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gawker is also under DDOS, as is Twitter (and Facebook): http://bit.ly/Su1u3Aug 07 08:35
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Diablo-D3http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/i84fpQgObLE/competitive-poop-app-looks-kinda-nuttyAug 07 09:08
Diablo-D3hitler will never dieAug 07 09:09
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/eds_hp_paycuts/ HP forces swingeing pay cuts on EDS staffAug 07 09:24
schestowitzI love ThunderBrowse so much, but I wish it did not interfere with CTRL+F and CTRL+G (or "Find in page"). They are also impossible to use together although after struggling for a very long time it mat randomly work.Aug 07 09:26
schestowitzhttp://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/08/is-goldman-sachs-worlds-biggest-ponzi.htmlAug 07 09:27
Diablo-D3schestowitz: gs666 is mostly alarmist bullshitAug 07 09:28
Diablo-D3gs is just a bunch of fucking assholesAug 07 09:28
schestowitzAIG breakup nets Wall Street $1 billion bonanza: report < http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57508M20090806 >Aug 07 09:28
schestowitzDiablo-D3: maybeAug 07 09:28
Diablo-D3they're not any more evil than... well, everyone elseAug 07 09:28
Diablo-D3shit, if I could get away with it, I'd do it tooAug 07 09:28
fewa_doesn't mean its right and shouldn't be punishedAug 07 09:29
Diablo-D3doesnt mean I dont want them nailed to the wall, but lets put everything in perspective hereAug 07 09:29
schestowitzDiablo-D3: use the linkageAug 07 09:29
Diablo-D3the problem with gs is, though, they tried to sue gs666Aug 07 09:29
schestowitzYesAug 07 09:29
Diablo-D3or something, I forgetAug 07 09:29
schestowitzBd choiceAug 07 09:29
schestowitzTHey made it more widely knownAug 07 09:29
Diablo-D3instant priceless advertisingAug 07 09:29
Diablo-D3the first I heard of gs666 was through gs bitchingAug 07 09:30
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schestowitzThe Sun Web Stack http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/08/06/Sun-Web-StackAug 07 09:40
schestowitzStephen Fry speaks on the history of copyright, his thoughts on file sharing and the future of entertainment. http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/07/27/series-2-episode-4-itunes-live-festival/ He slams the MAFIAAAug 07 09:42
schestowitz$23.7 Trillion Bailout - Will Justice Shoot the Messenger? < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8476 >Aug 07 09:44
schestowitzIsraeli activist recounts an attack by Israeli soldiers, detention and then abuse at the... Ichilov hospital in Tel Aviv < http://www.kibush.co.il/show_file.asp?num=34899 >Aug 07 09:44
schestowitzObama's green credentials tested by battle against mountaintop mining < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/04/mountaintop-mining >Aug 07 09:45
schestowitzMPs and peers call for inquiry into torture < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/04/mps-government-inquiry-torture-complicity > OK, 'nuff politicsAug 07 09:45
schestowitz"if/when their revenue get down far enough... i will expect to see more lawsuits being initiated by MS.... when that start to happen.. MS will have officially "jumped the shark" as they say.. " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-06-012-35-NW-MS-RH-0002Aug 07 09:48
schestowitzI guess someone was not paying attention to TomTom and Melco lawsuitsAug 07 09:48
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Diablo-D3manAug 07 09:51
Diablo-D3this is going to be weirdAug 07 09:51
*Diablo-D3 may or may not be using oracleAug 07 09:52
Diablo-D3assuming I can get over the weirdnessAug 07 09:52
schestowitzApache license?? http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/08/05/embedded-open-source-spreading-opening/Aug 07 09:54
Diablo-D3probably a typoAug 07 09:55
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schestowitzHow Twitter was killed http://blogs.computerworld.com/14504/how_twitter_was_killedAug 07 10:03
schestowitzSome people may drift to Twitter's competitors as a result... or just leave in anger. Most users don't know what DDOS mean... they'll think Twitter just sucksAug 07 10:03
Diablo-D3twitter does just suck, thoughAug 07 10:04
Diablo-D3schestowitz: also, dont link that websiteAug 07 10:04
Diablo-D3computerworld employees worse than shills: they employ fucktardsAug 07 10:05
schestowitzugh.  Linux and religion.. http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2009/08/quran-study-tool-for-ubuntu-debian.htmlAug 07 10:06
schestowitzDiablo-D3: SJVN is the exceptionAug 07 10:06
schestowitzGralla is their worst Microsoft shillAug 07 10:06
Diablo-D3if he wants to be an exception he can quit working for themAug 07 10:06
schestowitz Mind Mapping Course Introduction http://beginlinux.com/appsm/mind-mapping/mind-map-introductionAug 07 10:07
schestowitzDiablo-D3: where would he advocate Linux then?Aug 07 10:07
schestowitzHe used to work for Ziff David, then Linux.comAug 07 10:07
schestowitzHe still writes some for IEEE, but very little.....Aug 07 10:08
Diablo-D3he can get his own blogAug 07 10:09
schestowitzIt seems true that by Henry Kingman moved here from eWeek: http://moblinzone.com/top_stories/481/46/37Aug 07 10:10
schestowitzDiablo-D3: yes, he has oneAug 07 10:10
schestowitzPractical-TechnologyAug 07 10:11
schestowitzDo you know how hard it is to be paid from one's own blog?Aug 07 10:11
Diablo-D3nope, I dontAug 07 10:11
*Diablo-D3 seems to be pretty decently.Aug 07 10:11
schestowitzIn BN the ads pay just $20 per month and we have over 7000k UNIQUE visitors per dayAug 07 10:11
Diablo-D3I think you made a slight typo thereAug 07 10:12
schestowitzBut it's not a for-profit siteAug 07 10:12
schestowitzDiablo-D3: yes, 7kAug 07 10:12
Diablo-D3I had 29k uniques yesterday for ATPAAug 07 10:12
schestowitz5 Tips for Raising Your Girl Geek http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/5-tips-for-raising-your-girl-geek/Aug 07 10:15
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popeypeople dont click adverts sadlyAug 07 10:18
schestowitzThey shouldn'tAug 07 10:18
popeybe nice if they did from a revenue povAug 07 10:19
schestowitzit's an economy of physical products and servicesAug 07 10:19
schestowitzWhat can be duplicated willAug 07 10:19
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schestowitzIOW, people need to invent other means of offering value, not just text. A lot of authors CC-license their books now. They won't be rich like the Harry Potter author or superstars from MTV, but they can live decently making public talks, offering physical things, or using their skills to give lessons of one sort or another. Some YouTube 'celebs' give guitar lesson.Aug 07 10:22
popeygood pointAug 07 10:22
schestowitzSecurity vs. Usability < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/security_vs_usa.html >Aug 07 10:23
schestowitzMySQL lives on beyond Oracle: Thoughts about Dual-licensing Open Source software < http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/08/thoughts-about-dual-licensing-open.html >Aug 07 10:23
schestowitz"Monty Program Ab agrees that when it dual licenses code, it will not restrict the way the third party licensee uses the licensed copy of the code nor restrict how they use their own code." It's like a family businessAug 07 10:23
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: btw, why do you care if people click adverts or not?Aug 07 10:29
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Diablo-D3I get paid by unit of time, not by view or by clickAug 07 10:30
schestowitzPeople should not be pressured to watch ads, that's what I meant. It would be hypocritical of me to suggest otherwiseAug 07 10:31
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090805144623275 820 commentsAug 07 10:41
schestowitzSCO is finished.Aug 07 10:41
schestowitzAlmost practically nowAug 07 10:41
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: people arent pressured to watch adsAug 07 10:43
Diablo-D3if they dont want ads, they can block themAug 07 10:43
schestowitz"The net result is that I am no longer recommending CentOS nor will I be deploying any new systems with CentOS. I'm going to recommend Scientific Linux over CentOS for folks who need a free Enterprise Linux clone. " http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/08/the-future-of-centos-and-crite.htmlAug 07 10:43
schestowitzDiablo-D3: yes, exactly, but some people don't know how to do it. It's all about choiceAug 07 10:43
schestowitzIIRC, Perens said something crass about people who block adsAug 07 10:43
schestowitzMeh. Forking FS to OSS and then ascribing to Apple........ http://www.h-online.com/open/Open-source-stars-for-Mac-OS-X-Part-1--/features/113876Aug 07 10:45
schestowitz"Open source isn't just for Linux users.....'Aug 07 10:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Escape route for Skype skeptics: http://ping.fm/fHdJ9 (How to Videoconference Linux and Windows with Ekiga)Aug 07 10:47
schestowitzEscape route for Skype skeptics: http://maketecheasier.com/videoconference-linux-and-windows-with-ekiga/2009/08/05 (How to Videoconference Linux and Windows with Ekiga)Aug 07 10:49
schestowitzThe Snyder troll strikes again: http://infoworld.com/t/software-licensing/watch-out-developers-here-come-lawyers-436Aug 07 10:49
schestowitzThis is not a FOSS issue, but he's FUDingAug 07 10:49
schestowitzGoing on an endless ant about centos: http://ever-increasing-entropy.blogspot.com/2009/08/perfect-illustration-of-why-i-now.htmlAug 07 10:51
schestowitzHow much memory is enough? < http://blogs.dailynews.com/click/2009/08/how-much-memory-is-enough.html > Aug 07 10:53
schestowitz"After six months of running OpenBSD 4.4 with that same amount of memory (and, to be fair, the Fvwm2 and Xfce 4 desktops) and never needing to use swap, I got a bit tired of all the swapping going on in Ubuntu. I'm also running a Debian Lenny laptop with 512 MB of RAM, and while it seems somewhat more "frugal" in terms of memory use than Ubuntu (both running GNOME), I haven't put the Debian system under heavy day-to-day testing jusAug 07 10:53
schestowitzt yet."Aug 07 10:53
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schestowitzhttp://webhostedservices.com/blog/?p=54Aug 07 11:12
Diablo-D3schestowitz: wowAug 07 11:17
Diablo-D3that blog with the guy bitching about memory is a fucktardAug 07 11:17
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Diablo-D3ubuntu comes in a version for shitty machines called xubuntuAug 07 11:17
schestowitzWatch your language, pleaseAug 07 11:17
schestowitzYou're using the F word a lotAug 07 11:17
schestowitzhttp://www.novell.com/ctoblog/ <-most boring blog, everAug 07 11:19
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Diablo-D3lolAug 07 11:20
schestowitzhttp://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/windows_7_rtm_to_begin_rollout_to_a_few.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535Aug 07 11:21
schestowitzComment: "Ah the Windows Upgrade Thread-Mill has started again. There's a smell in the air, its the smell of money, say goodbye to your money Windows users, as Steve is going to release a new OS every 2 to 3 years now."Aug 07 11:22
schestowitz" And that XP compatible thingy, is only for the business or ultimate editions, you don't get that with home premium. Not quite so "premium" now is it? I wonder how many programs and games this release will break."Aug 07 11:22
schestowitz"But there is some good news here in all of this, since Seven is just "a better Vista" according to Steve Ballmer, it most likely will not work on most of the older computers out there running XP now. So you can save some bucks by not running out and buying this bloatware for the old computer, unless you are already stuck with Vista. Then again one could try out and use Linux for free at distrowatch.com"Aug 07 11:22
schestowitzIs it true that Ballmer called it "a better Vista"?Aug 07 11:22
schestowitzI'll try to find the refAug 07 11:22
schestowitzhttp://news.zdnet.com/2463-9595_22-246570.htmlAug 07 11:22
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schestowitzMicrosoft may throw away 2000+ employees: Report: Publicis heads the pack to buy Microsoft's Razorfish < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Report_Publicis_heads_the_pack_to_buy_Microsofts_Razorfish52593572.html >Aug 07 11:30
trmancohttp://www.h-online.com/security/Microsoft-to-patch-nine-security-vulnerabilities-on-Patch-Tuesday--/news/113950Aug 07 11:31
Diablo-D3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-8xLVTkb_o&fmt=22Aug 07 11:34
schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/how-to-make-firefox-skins-for-mozillas-personas-galleryAug 07 11:34
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schestowitzIs Oracle Getting Ready To Kill Unbreakable Linux? < http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/07/is-oracle-getting-ready-to-kil.html > It would be good had Oracle used RHEL and assisted the OS vendor, Red Hat.Aug 07 11:53
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schestowitzGiving ATI a second glance < http://www.zdnet.com.au/blogs/motherload/soa/Giving-ATI-a-second-glance/0,2001123696,339297769,00.htm > Still prognosis negativeAug 07 12:02
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schestowitz"Remember, back when Microsoft Office 2007 came out, there was a sudden surge of downloads of OpenOffice.org? That was because of the godawful interface Microsoft thrust upon its users, and it was a direct response to me (and IT people like me) directing lamenting users to OpenOffice.org to download a GOOD office productivity software suite, with a GOOD interface.'Aug 07 12:05
schestowitzhttp://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/openoffice-org-its-a-little-too-%0Alate-for-april-fools-jokes-dont-you-think/Aug 07 12:05
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Meliowhat's the twitter userid so I can follow itAug 07 12:06
Melioi'm getting retweets from nastymicrosoft.Aug 07 12:06
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Omar87Hi guys.Aug 07 12:17
Omar87What kind of a CEO is that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-P6HPZgMs&feature=relatedAug 07 12:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Polljack Daily Mail poll asks why politicians don't deny climate change. Let's hijack it! Vote "no" here: http://bit.ly/1gUvXAug 07 12:18
schestowitzOmar87: We should get CEOs like this for Red HatAug 07 12:33
Omar87schestowitz: lolAug 07 12:33
Omar87schestowitz: Ya know something that I really love about KDE?Aug 07 12:34
schestowitzThe K?Aug 07 12:37
Omar87schestowitz: It's a really attractive desktop environment that refuses to fall for the Microsoft trap, and yet its team is doing a great job at providing the best computing adventure.Aug 07 12:37
Omar87http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/08/hands-on-kde-43-delivers-a-social-desktop.arsAug 07 12:37
Omar87If only they work a little bit more on eliminating those nasty bugs that lurk in between the lines of their code..Aug 07 12:38
schestowitzYes, I like thatAug 07 12:38
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oiaohmMajor rewrites are not without its pain.Aug 07 12:41
oiaohmKDE 4.3 removed a lot of the nasty of nasty bugs.Aug 07 12:41
taconeGot an idea todayAug 07 12:41
taconeLet's port kde 4.3 to Mono ! Anybody willing to help ? ;-)Aug 07 12:42
oiaohmUnlikely.Aug 07 12:43
taconeOh :((Aug 07 12:43
oiaohmkde engine should in theory part build on .net only one major issue Mono does not have a C++ complier yet.Aug 07 12:44
taconeI meant a line by line portAug 07 12:45
oiaohmWhy.Aug 07 12:45
oiaohm.Net has C++ support.  Just mono is too crappy to have it yet.Aug 07 12:45
taconeRightAug 07 12:46
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oiaohmWith C++ support you could treat .net as just a nother platform for KDE.Aug 07 12:46
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oiaohmBasically there is zero reason to port a C++ program to a Mono language.Aug 07 12:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Musician Leave Mac OS X to Embrace GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/5WWZ4Aug 07 12:59
oiaohmtacone did not stay around long.Aug 07 13:00
schestowitzConnectivity problems, as usualAug 07 13:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ali_in_london How much sponsorship money would it take to get the Fail Whale logo on the England cricket team's kit?Aug 07 13:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OStatic on Linux Shirts with Loose Intellectual Monopolies http://ping.fm/G2L6ZAug 07 13:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] eWeek on GNU/Linux Rising Status on the Desktop http://ping.fm/ycciXAug 07 13:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of K Desktop Environment (KDE) 4.3 http://ping.fm/YP6EJAug 07 13:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the Newest Tiny Core Linux http://ping.fm/6M3CzAug 07 13:07
oiaohmI really finding 4.3 reviews funny.Aug 07 13:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Mint 7 with KDE Impresses Reviewer http://ping.fm/I6rGqAug 07 13:09
oiaohmLot of people who baged the hell out of 4.0 and 4.1 are now eating there words.Aug 07 13:09
schestowitzSJVN for exampleAug 07 13:10
schestowitzI used 4.1Aug 07 13:10
schestowitzWas OKAug 07 13:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Slackware 13.0 at RC2 Stage http://ping.fm/T5jfkAug 07 13:10
schestowitzBut Mandriva still uses the older version, so I get a smooth rannsitionAug 07 13:10
oiaohm4.1 had issues lot were due to the video card drivers of the time.Aug 07 13:11
oiaohmAs a few truthful reviews are saying as well.  Ie kde 4.3 only looks the best if you have a good video card.Aug 07 13:12
oiaohmI hope in kde 4.4 or 4.5 they get around to putting some of the software fall back rendering back in.Aug 07 13:12
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schestowitzHey, Melio Aug 07 13:13
MeliohelloAug 07 13:13
schestowitzI was away when you were last hereAug 07 13:14
Meliooh right. I asked about twitter nameAug 07 13:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Whole Foods Moved to GNU/Linux (Red Hat) http://ping.fm/7ClboAug 07 13:14
schestowitzThere's an account called Boycott NovellAug 07 13:14
Meliowww.twitter.com/boycottnovellAug 07 13:14
schestowitzIt's just an account that throws in folks who read BNAug 07 13:14
schestowitzWHen people bring it up hereAug 07 13:14
schestowitzSo if you want it echoed here, tell me your account idAug 07 13:15
MeliostevejberryAug 07 13:15
Meliois my twitter account nameAug 07 13:15
Meliomelio on identi.caAug 07 13:15
MelioI'm pushing open source in south carolinaAug 07 13:15
Melioalong with other people of courseAug 07 13:15
schestowitzI'd need to change the program to do identicaAug 07 13:15
schestowitzIt's possibleAug 07 13:15
Melioidenti.ca is way more stableAug 07 13:16
Melioand opensource :PAug 07 13:16
Meliohow is your code written?Aug 07 13:16
MelioI have friends that use xmpp bots to do postingAug 07 13:16
Melioare you familar with collecta.comAug 07 13:16
Meliothe authors of that are opensource advocates also. and I know one of the coders for that siteAug 07 13:17
Meliothey wrote quite a bit of xmpp protocol stuffAug 07 13:17
schestowitzMelio: it's alpha codeAug 07 13:17
schestowitztwitfolkAug 07 13:17
schestowitzSomeone in the local lug helped me set this upAug 07 13:17
Meliothe identi.ca posting will automaticly dent to twitterAug 07 13:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Real-time Conference Co-locates with Eleventh Real Time Linux Workshop http://ping.fm/y4gjLAug 07 13:20
oiaohmBoy you are seeing lot of presure being attempt to be placed on Orcale to walk away from Linux.Aug 07 13:23
oiaohmFunny part is solarias does have some advantages over Linux.  But Linux has some advangas over Solarias particularly in network device sharing.Aug 07 13:24
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schestowitzoiaohm: I think they mostly want JavaAug 07 13:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analysis of Google's Entry Into GNU/Linux with Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/ReiZnAug 07 13:27
Melioyou know I'm actually very technical and computer orientedAug 07 13:28
Melioand I don't even think of novell as a company anymoreAug 07 13:29
schestowitzNovell is divrseAug 07 13:29
MeliorightAug 07 13:29
schestowitzI was going to read news about them carefully this afternoonAug 07 13:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Phones Shipped by T-Mobile http://ping.fm/6x1qOAug 07 13:29
schestowitzIt's mostly proprietary stuffAug 07 13:29
Meliobut I don't really consider them capiable of even advertizing anything anymoreAug 07 13:29
schestowitzNovell has (IIRC) about 300 staff allocated to LinuxAug 07 13:29
schestowitzThat's less than 10% of the staffAug 07 13:29
Melioso they took over a distro and let it dry upAug 07 13:29
oiaohmOrcale has way more than that allocated to Linux.Aug 07 13:30
Meliofeeding it just enough to fight with itAug 07 13:30
schestowitzNovell knows that open source makes good PR, so it likes to over-emphasise the FOSS componentAug 07 13:30
Meliokinda like how you treat a pitbull in dog fightingAug 07 13:30
schestowitzMelio: SUSE was struggling financiallyAug 07 13:30
schestowitzSo I learned anyway. They had no business modelAug 07 13:30
schestowitzI think IBM wanted to resucre SUSEAug 07 13:30
Melioibm woulda killed itAug 07 13:30
schestowitzIBM needs SUSE for the mainframes and appliancesAug 07 13:30
Meliothey kill every os they ever makeAug 07 13:30
schestowitzSo they helped Novell buy SuSEAug 07 13:30
zoobab01http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-174349/800-pages-of-defect-for-ooxml-here-it-isAug 07 13:31
Meliowell the best way to make bad technology go away is to stop using it and use something elseAug 07 13:31
Melioand endorse itAug 07 13:32
Melioshow people hey. this isnt the only thing out thereAug 07 13:32
MelioI know kinda grass roots solution to a dynamicly populated business errorAug 07 13:32
schestowitzWith Novell it's easyAug 07 13:33
schestowitzTheir Linux product is identical to othersAug 07 13:33
schestowitzFor Server -> RHELAug 07 13:33
schestowitzFor desktop -> Ubuntu/whatever (most people think Ubuntu, what can you do?)Aug 07 13:33
schestowitzMono being dried up is a good thingAug 07 13:33
schestowitzMono is the 'added value' of Novell's LinuxAug 07 13:34
schestowitzAdded value to Microsoft, not to youAug 07 13:34
Meliowhat distro do you runAug 07 13:35
oiaohmMine changes with what I am doing MelioAug 07 13:36
oiaohmAnd who I am working for.Aug 07 13:36
Meliooh rightAug 07 13:36
MelioI have to do testing on several os'sAug 07 13:36
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MelioI'm working on a cisco certification too. so I need bascily nothing more then a telnet sessionAug 07 13:37
MelioheheAug 07 13:37
Meliobut otherwise. I know quite a bit of distro hoppers that use whatever they get paid to useAug 07 13:37
oiaohmopenvz is handy for lot of cross Linux testing.Aug 07 13:37
Melioyeah I use virtualboxAug 07 13:37
MelioI should try out openvzAug 07 13:38
oiaohmWhen openvz can have X11 servers I will not have a use for virtualbox most of the time.Aug 07 13:38
MelioneatAug 07 13:38
oiaohmopenvz is container based.Aug 07 13:38
Melioyeah I'mr eading like bsd jailsAug 07 13:38
Meliothat's pretty impressiveAug 07 13:38
oiaohmSo 1 kernel running many different distributions.Aug 07 13:38
oiaohmContainer tech in Linux pays to learn.Aug 07 13:39
oiaohmIt another level of resource controlAug 07 13:39
MelioI need to bursh up on my C++Aug 07 13:39
Meliostart contributing to these virtualization projectsAug 07 13:39
Meliothere's thousands of little things that need to be done to make them greatAug 07 13:40
oiaohmopenvz is CAug 07 13:40
Melioeven CAug 07 13:40
MelioI've been doing a lot of pythonAug 07 13:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Layoffs at Leading Web Censorship Company http://ping.fm/npDeWAug 07 13:40
Melionot real happy with dependacys of pythongAug 07 13:40
Meliopython.Aug 07 13:40
oiaohmhttp://libvirt.org/  << Nice little interface for virtualisation controlAug 07 13:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 4th CMS Award Launched for Free Software http://ping.fm/aX3hUAug 07 13:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MySQL Poppa Explains the Business Model of MariaDB http://ping.fm/vwSzSAug 07 13:41
MelioI need to pay attention in hereAug 07 13:42
Melio:pAug 07 13:42
MelioI'v been getting regurgitated news from other sourcesAug 07 13:42
Meliosince you guys feed enough data for newsAug 07 13:42
Meliowhy not just become a media outletAug 07 13:42
Melioinstead of a boycott x siteAug 07 13:42
schestowitzWHat is a media outlet?Aug 07 13:42
Meliowww.digitel.comAug 07 13:43
schestowitzMelio: I see you go along the lines of jono bacon hereAug 07 13:43
Meliothis site built itself based on the concept of delivering content of "newsworthy stuff"Aug 07 13:43
schestowitzI thought about this, but others resistAug 07 13:43
Melioresistance is futile :pAug 07 13:43
schestowitzIf the boycott of Novell is de-emphasised, then education won't come across and the site name was chosen by the founderAug 07 13:43
Meliopolitically charged movements don't look good when broadcasting the newsAug 07 13:43
MelioI'm an independant information seekerAug 07 13:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] smoking is good for you! well, maybe you in particular http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/2904/fullAug 07 13:44
MelioI suppose I'm not droidable, but I would like to say that any data is good data even if it's self centered :)Aug 07 13:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Murdoch Wants to Apply Intellectual Monopolies to News http://ping.fm/iaP19Aug 07 13:46
Meliois evolution a novell product?Aug 07 13:46
MelioCopyright © 1999 - 2009 Novell, Inc. and OthersAug 07 13:47
Melioyeah looks like it isAug 07 13:47
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oiaohmevolution stated before Novell got mixed up with it.Aug 07 13:48
oiaohmNovell took it up in 1999 and promised a working windows version.Aug 07 13:48
Melionever came to beAug 07 13:48
Melioit would be impossible to portAug 07 13:48
Melioit uses gnome everything nowAug 07 13:48
oiaohmWe got a windows version that kinda worked that is highly dependant on cygwin .Aug 07 13:48
oiaohmAnd cygwin X11 server and performed like a dog.Aug 07 13:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Band Looks Away from the Copyright Cartel http://ping.fm/WV4noAug 07 13:49
Melioit sucks in linux tooAug 07 13:49
oiaohmImpossible to port is not true Melio.Aug 07 13:49
Meliono, nothing is impossibleAug 07 13:49
Meliojust not plausableAug 07 13:49
oiaohmKDE being ported to windows.Aug 07 13:49
MelioI never really had any issues with novellAug 07 13:49
Melioexcept when microsoft starting putting it's penis into it's holesAug 07 13:50
oiaohmThe not plausable happens quite a bit.Aug 07 13:50
oiaohmIn the open source world.Aug 07 13:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Becomes More Patents Focused (Like SCO and UNIX, Which it Does Not Own) http://ping.fm/R1CO6Aug 07 13:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cracks in the USPTO's Judgment of Patents http://ping.fm/VCXssAug 07 13:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's On2 Acquisition Seen as Move Against Video Patents http://ping.fm/N9wADAug 07 13:56
oiaohmAt long last someone covers the other weapon Open source does against patents.  Devaluing them.Aug 07 13:58
Diablo-D3hehAug 07 13:58
Diablo-D3I find it funny that USPTO is finally realizing what the patent law actually saysAug 07 13:58
MinceRyou figure they might eventually start doing their job? :>Aug 07 13:59
Diablo-D3MinceR: wellAug 07 13:59
Diablo-D3eventually you're going to get a very angry top level employeeAug 07 13:59
Diablo-D3who hates bullshitAug 07 13:59
oiaohmUSPTO is under resourced under the current rules.Aug 07 13:59
Diablo-D3oiaohm: noAug 07 14:00
oiaohmThere is no requirement for the USPTO to be feed with valid patents.Aug 07 14:00
Diablo-D3too many faggots submit stupid patentsAug 07 14:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Windows Still Very Critically Flawed http://ping.fm/VoiyBAug 07 14:00
Diablo-D3they should actually up the submission costAug 07 14:00
oiaohmSearching to disprove patents costs time.Aug 07 14:00
oiaohmReally submission cost rise is the wrong thing.Aug 07 14:00
oiaohmMake it fine able for submitting a blately invalid patent.Aug 07 14:00
oiaohmLargely fine able.Aug 07 14:01
oiaohmIe 1 or 2 million fine would scare 90 percent of the problem patent submitters off.Aug 07 14:01
oiaohmEven better out of that 1 or 2 million make like 500 000 bounty payment for disproving patent.Aug 07 14:02
oiaohmUSPTO would have the greedy doing there job for them then.Aug 07 14:02
Diablo-D3oiaohm: that isnt itAug 07 14:02
Diablo-D3the USPTO could make the elimination queue easy to useAug 07 14:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Zombies Take Facebook, Gawker, and Twitter Offline http://ping.fm/3OqxO http://ping.fm/v8LyIAug 07 14:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reuters to AP and Murdoch: go ahead and kill yourselves, fools http://is.gd/26uNlAug 07 14:03
Diablo-D3letting angry citizens do their job for themAug 07 14:03
oiaohmNumber 1 current it costs nothing if you have a patent invalidated other than the submit cost.Aug 07 14:03
oiaohmYou don't even have to pay back the income you got under falseness with a patent.Aug 07 14:04
oiaohmThat is the big problem there is no reason for companies really to submit valid patents because there is no pain if they are invalid.Aug 07 14:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Judge Puts Almost-Final Nail in Coffin of Microsoft-funded Anti-Linux Lawsuit http://ping.fm/XrwdQAug 07 14:05
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oiaohmBoy has Novell won out of the SCO mess.Aug 07 14:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hypocrisy Found in Mono http://ping.fm/hVKhwAug 07 14:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Gets Junk Patents on XML http://ping.fm/kKl1i , OOXML Highly Defective http://ping.fm/1WRaFAug 07 14:14
oiaohmIts going to be interesting to see if MS Office excel odf output comes into line with the release of odf 1.2Aug 07 14:15
oiaohmThat should not be far off.Aug 07 14:15
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schestowitzoiaohm_: or just mutually compatible with other sofftareAug 07 14:38
oiaohm_1.2 defines the syntax how Open office has it that MS replaced in there 1.1 with OOXML syntax.Aug 07 14:39
oiaohm_Making there odf spreadsheets incompadible.Aug 07 14:39
oiaohm_MS has no idea of different parties working on the same thing slowly working to a standard.Aug 07 14:39
oiaohm_The thing is what next will MS try to break in the ODF.Aug 07 14:47
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schestowitzMicrosoft is compatible with selfAug 07 14:49
schestowitzAnd it gives FUDdy errors about ODF export/saveAug 07 14:50
EruaranMicrosoft is incompatible with itselfAug 07 14:50
oiaohm_Good example is mix windows 2000 XP without service packs in a network.Aug 07 14:52
oiaohm_Lot of grimlims will come out.Aug 07 14:52
EruaranI think the proverbial is going to hit the fan after Windows 7 is released.Aug 07 14:57
MinceRrenewed attacks against ODF?Aug 07 14:58
EruaranOne of our customers is an "early adopter". He insists there's a hardware problem with the computer we sold him, but its the software.Aug 07 14:58
Meliobelive it or notAug 07 14:59
Melioi'm working on mcse certificationAug 07 14:59
MeliololAug 07 14:59
EruaranHe thinks Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread (he's never used anything but Windows), and wont face the fact that its W7 that's screwing his system up.Aug 07 14:59
Melioyou wouldnt belive how much bullshit is on that examAug 07 14:59
EruaranWhat do you mean "working" on it ?Aug 07 15:00
Melioit's part of my degree programAug 07 15:00
Meliostate collegeAug 07 15:00
Melioit transfers to an engineering degreeAug 07 15:00
Meliowhich is another 6 years of collegeAug 07 15:00
Meliobut that's how it works, I'm forced to learn microcrapAug 07 15:00
MinceRvileAug 07 15:00
Meliothere's very little linux certification to be offered by educationAug 07 15:00
EruaranYes but, "working" on an MCSE ?Aug 07 15:00
MelioEruaran: I have future classes, credit mind youAug 07 15:01
EruaranSame here in AustraliaAug 07 15:01
Meliothat are MCSE basedAug 07 15:01
Melioall administration and managment of windows cra[Aug 07 15:01
MinceRi've managed to avoid the m$-priest majorsAug 07 15:01
MeliopAug 07 15:01
MelioI can'tAug 07 15:01
Meliothe only major I can fit into that transfers is mcse forcedAug 07 15:01
EruaranYes but you don't have to "work" on an MCSE ;)Aug 07 15:01
Melionot reallyAug 07 15:01
Meliobut in effect. the student loans I have to pay backAug 07 15:01
Melioso I'm WORKINGAug 07 15:01
Meliosooner or later. to pay for itAug 07 15:01
*Eruaran sighsAug 07 15:02
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MelioI'm not the type of guy to take a job just cause they want a windows adminAug 07 15:02
Melioand I need the moneyAug 07 15:02
EruaranI see I'm going to clarify my statements some moreAug 07 15:02
MelioI'm holding out till I can get a job working for someone I actually believe will make me feel proud to work thereAug 07 15:02
oiaohm_MinceR: not really odf 1.2 has passed first stage in the emca so its not far off now.Aug 07 15:02
EruaranYou don't have to "work" for an MCSE, a donkey could get MCSE.Aug 07 15:03
Melioblah at odfAug 07 15:03
MelioEruaran: oh I understand your statementsAug 07 15:03
Meliobut since I don't have mcse, A+ or ccna or linux+ or rcneAug 07 15:03
MelioI'm Moving towards themAug 07 15:03
Melionot much so workingAug 07 15:03
Melioso I agreeAug 07 15:03
EruaranBut seriously, MCSE is crap.Aug 07 15:03
MelioyepAug 07 15:03
MelioagreedAug 07 15:04
Melioand it's based on bullshitAug 07 15:04
Meliobut so is iso9000Aug 07 15:04
EruaranIf all we see on someone's resume is MCSE, we throw it in the bin.Aug 07 15:04
Melioand other certifications businesses have to keep you in this droid modeAug 07 15:04
Meliowhat if they mcse, and redhat certitifedAug 07 15:04
Diablo-D3mcse doesnt evne make senseAug 07 15:04
Melioand ccnaAug 07 15:04
Melioand A+, linux+Aug 07 15:04
Diablo-D3mcses cant fix windows more than I canAug 07 15:04
oiaohm_My Linux side got me work.   MCSE is worthless here.Aug 07 15:04
Melioand degreesAug 07 15:04
Diablo-D3you know how I fix windows?Aug 07 15:05
MinceRDiablo-D3: they can beat you in minesweeper and solitaire though.Aug 07 15:05
Eruaranoiaohm_: same hereAug 07 15:05
Diablo-D3reinstall it.Aug 07 15:05
MelioI mean I'm kinda stuck in these programs might as well pay the 150$ per test and get the certificationAug 07 15:05
Diablo-D3MinceR: cant beat me in pinball thoughAug 07 15:05
Melioyou know I'm an A&P mechanic for aircraftAug 07 15:05
Meliodoesnt mean I give a crap about airplanesAug 07 15:05
MinceRwell, they don't have a pinball cert program yet, do they?Aug 07 15:05
Melioif they did, I would get itAug 07 15:05
Meliocause i'm boredAug 07 15:05
Melioand education is funAug 07 15:05
MinceRthey only have this Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert thing.Aug 07 15:05
EruaranIf you're a RHCE I'll give you a job. But MCSE = Resume in trash ;)Aug 07 15:05
Meliowhat about the certification for ethical hackingAug 07 15:05
Meliothat's a plus right :PAug 07 15:06
oiaohm_for some employers.Aug 07 15:06
Meliothat's real you knowAug 07 15:06
Meliowould you be a jerk to me if I had ASE certification (automotive)Aug 07 15:06
oiaohm_Others will not trust you if you have hacking anything on resume.Aug 07 15:06
MelioI mean I could fix your carAug 07 15:06
EruaranOnly if you want to do the security audit.Aug 07 15:06
MelioI could be your fleet mechanic, and run linux administration on the sideAug 07 15:06
Melioand when your private jet needs a patch from a birdstrikeAug 07 15:07
MelioI'm your manAug 07 15:07
oiaohm_Linux adminitrators can fix windows machines.Aug 07 15:07
oiaohm_Ok don't like it but we can.Aug 07 15:07
oiaohm_Now the mirror is not true.Aug 07 15:07
Melioyou broke an ftp site?Aug 07 15:07
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oiaohm_Ie windows administrators fixing a Linux machine.Aug 07 15:08
Meliooh well i"m going to have a bunch of certsAug 07 15:08
oiaohm_Its funny.Aug 07 15:08
Meliooh trueAug 07 15:08
Melioyeah they wouldnt know where to startAug 07 15:08
MelioI'm trying to help these guys migrate skills to linuxAug 07 15:08
Melioand they freak out when there's two windows boot.ini entries with wubiAug 07 15:08
oiaohm_Linux you know the low level stuff.Aug 07 15:08
MelioOMGAug 07 15:08
Melioit haxored the boot.iniAug 07 15:08
Meliolinux broke windowsAug 07 15:08
MeliololAug 07 15:08
EruaranThey'd maybe start by finding the terminal and typing "msconfig"Aug 07 15:09
Eruaran;)Aug 07 15:09
Melioor checkdiskAug 07 15:09
MeliohehAug 07 15:09
EruaranhehAug 07 15:09
Eruaranor regeditAug 07 15:09
Melioregedit works with wine ya knowAug 07 15:09
MelioHehAug 07 15:09
Meliothat can get confusingAug 07 15:09
EruaranomgAug 07 15:09
Meliolol it fired right upAug 07 15:09
EruaranI've never even thought of trying that with WineAug 07 15:09
oiaohm_Yes regedit will put up regedit if wine is installed on Linux.Aug 07 15:09
Melioregedit in linux fires up wineAug 07 15:09
oiaohm_So really screwing up windows admins even more.Aug 07 15:10
Melioyou can have fun and delete every keyAug 07 15:10
EruaranlolAug 07 15:10
Meliocause it doesnt effect you at allAug 07 15:10
EruarantheoreticallyAug 07 15:10
oiaohm_Also lot of windows admins have trouble getting use to the Linux idea of being graphically loged in twice ie.  user and admin on a client machine at the same time doing different things.Aug 07 15:11
Eruaranyou could laugh like a madman while deleting registry keys and watch the Windows admin start to panic and call someoneAug 07 15:11
oiaohm_bsod screen saver on Linux is fun.Aug 07 15:11
Eruaranall hail the bsodAug 07 15:12
EruaranI argued with this idiot the other dayAug 07 15:13
Eruaranwas a waste of timeAug 07 15:13
Eruaranhe reckons he's a technicianAug 07 15:13
Eruaranand claims that in his all of 2 years being a techAug 07 15:13
Eruaranhe's never seen a bsodAug 07 15:13
oiaohm_That is possiable.Aug 07 15:13
MinceRmaybe he managed default config xp-s and has a slow reaction timeAug 07 15:14
EruaranWe see them weeklyAug 07 15:14
MinceRs/ time$//Aug 07 15:14
oiaohm_I had a guy working for me who only saw his first bsod 3 years working.Aug 07 15:14
Eruaranit still counts as a bsod thoughAug 07 15:14
MinceR(m$ "fixed" bsod-s by immediately rebooting by default)Aug 07 15:14
Eruaranjust because Windows doesn't show it, doesn't mean it didn't happenAug 07 15:14
MinceRbut he didn't see it :>Aug 07 15:14
MinceRhm, blind technician -- never seen a bsod, ever!Aug 07 15:15
oiaohm_I don't see them weekly.Aug 07 15:16
MinceRneither do i, but then again most weeks i don't even boot windowsAug 07 15:16
oiaohm_Since I am the Linux person i get paided more.Aug 07 15:16
oiaohm_I only see windows when its doing something really off the wall.Aug 07 15:16
oiaohm_BSOD does not fall into that camp.Aug 07 15:17
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oiaohm_Like Vista taking 30 mins to login and no internet yet no BSOD.Aug 07 15:17
oiaohm_Yep network stack crashed.Aug 07 15:17
oiaohm_Has to be manually restarted because windows does not restart is network stack fresh after a reboot.Aug 07 15:18
oiaohm_Ie pure insane.Aug 07 15:18
Eruaran@$%!%^!@&^$%Aug 07 15:18
MinceRlolAug 07 15:18
EruaranThe guys at work think I'm funny when I rage out because of WindowsAug 07 15:19
EruaranI just can't put up with itAug 07 15:19
oiaohm_They know I hate it too.Aug 07 15:19
oiaohm_Yet strange problems due to low level knowledge I normally find it avoiding a reformat.Aug 07 15:20
oiaohm_Its sad how often a pure windows tech formats a windows machine without need.Aug 07 15:20
EruaranyepAug 07 15:20
EruaranThis is a common little piece of dialogue where I work:Aug 07 15:21
Eruaran"how did you fix it ?"Aug 07 15:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Windows Zombies Also Knocked Facebook and Gawker Offline, More “Critical” Microsoft Flaws Discovered http://ping.fm/8f2RuAug 07 15:21
Eruaran"ubuntu"Aug 07 15:21
EruaranWe use live cd's dailyAug 07 15:21
Eruaranor a usb keyAug 07 15:22
oiaohm_My normal answer to how did you fix it? Is I let a penguin lose on it.Aug 07 15:22
EruaranhehAug 07 15:22
oiaohm_I have a custom Linux disk that checks windows machines for a lot of windows faults and sets up auto runs to fix it.Aug 07 15:22
oiaohm_Basically I got sick of manually fixing windows so much.Aug 07 15:23
EruaranoohAug 07 15:23
Eruarancan i haz a copyAug 07 15:23
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oiaohm_No Eruaran its a work in progress.Aug 07 15:23
EruaranI've never gotten around to doing anything like thatAug 07 15:23
EruaranawAug 07 15:23
EruaranI'll beta test it for you ;)Aug 07 15:24
oiaohm_I guess you don't have 2000 of the windows pests to take care of.Aug 07 15:24
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Eruaranno, plus I get too busy with other thingsAug 07 15:24
oiaohm_There was a case of 200 down at the same time.Aug 07 15:25
oiaohm_And I kinda needed to replicate self some how.Aug 07 15:25
oiaohm_So I used the normal Linux solution script it.Aug 07 15:25
EruaranyepAug 07 15:25
Eruaranin that situation, I think I'd be doing the same thingAug 07 15:26
oiaohm_core bit is chntpw to access registry to check particular keys.Aug 07 15:26
EruaranIve used it but never automated itAug 07 15:26
oiaohm_Also a back up image to compare to down machines to work out what had been altered to make signatures to detect faults.Aug 07 15:26
oiaohm_Basically I want windows dead.  So it would go against my grain to start shipping tools around the world to fix some of its issues.Aug 07 15:27
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Balroggood morningAug 07 15:30
Balrogoiaohm_: that would be a nice tool to have ;)Aug 07 15:31
Eruaranoiaohm_: I'm just lazy, I want to have less work to do ;)Aug 07 15:32
EruaranI want to sip coffee and talk about whats in the playground reposAug 07 15:33
Eruarannot fix winblows systemsAug 07 15:33
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oiaohm_Problem with making them too simple to fix is there is no motivation to move off them Eruaran.Aug 07 15:34
EruaranyesAug 07 15:37
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Balrogmaybe. but we're forced to use windows :(Aug 07 15:40
Balrogor at least support itAug 07 15:40
Balrogwe don't use itAug 07 15:41
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satiperauk id card cloned in 12 hours :) over at the inquirerAug 07 15:42
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Balrognot 12 hoursAug 07 15:47
Balrog12 minutes IIRCAug 07 15:47
Balroghttp://it.slashdot.org/story/09/08/07/0335227/UK-National-ID-Card-Cloned-In-12-Minutes?art_pos=7Aug 07 15:48
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MelioneatAug 07 15:48
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vida18Microsoft Patents XML Word Processing DocumentsAug 07 15:48
BalrogI heardAug 07 15:48
vida18http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/06/2322209/Microsoft-Patents-XML-Word-Processing-Documents?art_pos=5Aug 07 15:48
Melioso.. umm opendoc is microsofts?Aug 07 15:49
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MelioHere's how to do it: Sign in to Xbox.com and head to the account summary page. From there choose “Manage Payment Options”  then click “Add a new PayPal Account.” Follow the instructions and bam, you're done. This service is for use only in the U.S. You can set up multiple PayPal accounts, but PayPal can only be used to purchase Microsoft Points.Aug 07 15:50
Melioxbox adds paypal supportAug 07 15:50
Meliofor points for nowAug 07 15:50
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neighborleeI had one ( if your referring to 360 that is), and returned it for ps3 when I learned I had to spend another $100 for the priviledge of getting online with it so at that point the ps3 was all of a sudden much more attractive..I still prefer wiii though as its much lower power usage is agreeable to me  on many levels ;)Aug 07 15:53
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Melioneightborlee, power usage? you must be european :PAug 07 15:54
neighborleehardlyAug 07 15:55
neighborleenot that i'd not mind per se , but no ;)Aug 07 15:55
neighborleewashingtonean ;)Aug 07 15:55
Meliolike seattle?Aug 07 15:55
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neighborleeyuppersAug 07 15:55
Melioare you a granola?Aug 07 15:55
MeliohehAug 07 15:55
neighborleeoh yes, quite :)Aug 07 15:56
Meliowow. I'm going to ping you for data tehnAug 07 15:56
MelioI need to build hippy devicesAug 07 15:56
Meliolike a composterAug 07 15:56
neighborleehaAug 07 15:56
MelioI have tons of grass from my lawn mowing expiditionsAug 07 15:56
Melioand I keep piling it up. and I know there's something GREEN I can do with this crapAug 07 15:56
MelioI figure with technology and hippies, I can do pretty much anything cheaplyAug 07 15:57
neighborleegreen is kewl yupAug 07 15:57
Melioso here's my proposalAug 07 15:57
Meliosince i"m not a hippieAug 07 15:57
MelioI wouldnt be. naturally. I drive a GTO and use a riding lawn mowerAug 07 15:57
neighborleeflat out deal is out thenAug 07 15:57
neighborleeI dont deal with non hippies ROFLAug 07 15:57
Meliowell I'm tryingAug 07 15:57
MelioheheAug 07 15:57
MelioI even talk to vegitariansAug 07 15:57
Melioabout how to make hummus and falafelAug 07 15:58
Meliobut only cause I'm actually a master arab culinary chef :PAug 07 15:58
neighborleeyou are doing betterAug 07 15:58
Melioit would be because of natrualizationAug 07 15:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Microsoft-funded SCO Lawsuit in Light of Newer Anti-Linux Microsoft Lawsuits http://ping.fm/fDYuEAug 07 15:58
Melioit would seem that fava beans are not sold around here where i liveAug 07 15:58
Melioso Import them from chicagoAug 07 15:58
Melioand get them to people who want to use them in cookingAug 07 15:59
Melioincluding resturants :pAug 07 15:59
MelioI'm not making money on it of courseAug 07 15:59
Meliodon't careAug 07 15:59
Meliobut anyhowAug 07 15:59
Melioare you mechanical in any way?Aug 07 15:59
Melioengineering I meanAug 07 15:59
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neighborleenot that muchAug 07 16:02
neighborleemy father was engineer though if that counts ;0-0Aug 07 16:02
neighborleenever interested me, though engineering in general YESAug 07 16:02
neighborleejust not cars per se...Aug 07 16:02
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neighborleeoh but I can change a tireAug 07 16:02
neighborleeha-haAug 07 16:03
Meliodo you have a composter?Aug 07 16:05
Melioit's basicly a big ass boxAug 07 16:05
Melioyou put your organic material into itAug 07 16:05
Melioflip it occasionallyAug 07 16:05
Melioand then mix it in with soil to get a rich dark dirt that'll grow tomatoes you could throw at obamaAug 07 16:05
Melioor any figure you dislike for ruining the countryAug 07 16:05
Melionot that I wouldAug 07 16:06
Meliothat's a waste of a good tomatoeAug 07 16:06
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neighborleeI have several home made onesAug 07 16:08
Meliohttp://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/08/05/windows-7-rtm-contains-a-rather-nasty-chkdsk-bugAug 07 16:08
Meliooh my a nasty checkdisk bugAug 07 16:08
Melio:pAug 07 16:08
BalrogI heard of thatAug 07 16:08
Meliohow will I ever get windows certification if the software is BROKEAug 07 16:08
MeliololAug 07 16:08
Meliohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbEAug 07 16:09
neighborleeJIT to save you from the hell that windows is ? ;)Aug 07 16:09
Meliois all I gotta sayAug 07 16:09
Melioneighborlee: how did you make emAug 07 16:10
neighborleeraw materialsAug 07 16:10
Meliowood, chicken wire?Aug 07 16:10
Meliopics?Aug 07 16:10
neighborleeyuppersAug 07 16:10
neighborleedont have anyAug 07 16:10
MelioI'm going to make mine largeAug 07 16:10
Meliothere's a farm next to me, I can use vegitation from that alsoAug 07 16:10
MelioI'm going to make it kinda a community setupAug 07 16:10
Melio2 boxes so we can rotate itAug 07 16:10
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Balrogschestowitz: do whe know what patents MS sued Melco over?Aug 07 16:11
MelioI have 3 distinct personalities. so I should be paid more. lolAug 07 16:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Webcycle: the faster you pedal, the faster your internet connection goes. http://www.tomscott.com/webcycle/Aug 07 16:22
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neighborleeMelio, more or less yeah ;0Aug 07 16:22
neighborleethat one outdid even me ;),,dain im good today LOLAug 07 16:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft May Have Found Company to Pass 2,000+ Employees to; Vista 7 Can Finish Microsoft http://ping.fm/0a52sAug 07 16:53
schestowitzBalrog: noAug 07 16:54
BalrogOK :(Aug 07 16:54
Balrogschestowitz: why isn't BN using Twitter for anything?Aug 07 16:54
Balrogor at least not making tweets ...Aug 07 16:55
Balrogabout the icon ... Twitter likes square iconsAug 07 16:55
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DaemonFCschestowitz: You're going to love thisAug 07 16:57
DaemonFCComcast has a typosquatting 404 hijacker thing that's redirecting users to a Yahoo/Bing page full of advertisementsAug 07 16:57
schestowitzComcastsoft..Aug 07 16:57
MelioI just deleted comcast and went back to AT&T cause ma bell has the ill communicationsAug 07 16:58
Melioplus it's cheaperAug 07 16:58
Meliostupid comcastAug 07 16:58
DaemonFCI got slapped with one earlier and thought something had hijacked my browser til I saw the Comcast logoAug 07 16:58
DaemonFCAT&T is even worseAug 07 16:58
DaemonFCand I cringe when I say thatAug 07 16:59
DaemonFCbut they areAug 07 16:59
DaemonFCthey're more expensive than Comcast, lock you into 2 year agreements, silently renew the agreement whenever you make any change to your service, and wreck your credit if you don't pay them a $200 "early cancellation fee", then there's the issue with their censorshipAug 07 17:00
MelioAT*T doesntAug 07 17:01
Meliobelive it or notAug 07 17:01
Meliocomcast is the 2 year agreement people nowAug 07 17:01
DaemonFCAT&T and Comcast are both abusive ISPsAug 07 17:01
Melioyour talking about cell serviceAug 07 17:01
DaemonFCno, talking about their DSLAug 07 17:01
Meliomy dsl package has no agreementsAug 07 17:01
DaemonFCthey're still sending me letters wanting me to pay upAug 07 17:01
MelioI do have to keep it for a certain amount of time for rebates thoAug 07 17:01
DaemonFCand I ditched them in January 2008Aug 07 17:01
Meliowell comcast is slower then dsl around hereAug 07 17:01
BalrogDaemonFC: censorship?Aug 07 17:02
Melioso I have no real choice in the matter except 1Aug 07 17:02
Meliogo back to comcast and deal with itAug 07 17:02
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MelioI would rather notAug 07 17:02
Meliohopefully I can stick with dslAug 07 17:02
Melioif not, I'm going with hughes netAug 07 17:02
Melioso I can portablize my internetAug 07 17:02
DaemonFCBalrog: Yeah, AT&T blocked 4chan, then a couple years ago they censored out "f--- George Bush" from a "live" concertAug 07 17:02
MelioportableizeAug 07 17:02
DaemonFCthat they had on like a 5 second delayAug 07 17:02
Meliothat's fineAug 07 17:02
Meliocensorship doesnt happen where I watch tvAug 07 17:02
Melio4chan being blocked is kidna strangeAug 07 17:03
DaemonFCthe 4chan block was the funniestAug 07 17:03
DaemonFCyeah, get the Japanophiles all riled up when they can't get to their Hentai torrentsAug 07 17:03
DaemonFCbig mistakeAug 07 17:03
DaemonFC:PAug 07 17:03
Balrogcensorship like that should happen only on broadcast TV (and radio), but not on other placesAug 07 17:04
DaemonFCright, the FCC censors over-the-air TV and radioAug 07 17:04
Balrogbroadcast doesn't include most of cable and satelliteAug 07 17:04
Balrogyes.Aug 07 17:04
DaemonFCbut internet streaming isn't in their jurisdictionAug 07 17:04
Balrogwell certainlyAug 07 17:04
Balrogthat is up to the site it's coming fromAug 07 17:05
Balroglike YouTubeAug 07 17:05
DaemonFCthey also can't censor TV channels that are cable or satellite onlyAug 07 17:05
DaemonFCthough a lot of channels have their own policiesAug 07 17:05
DaemonFCHBO would be well within their rights to show hardcore pornAug 07 17:05
DaemonFCthey don't thoughAug 07 17:05
DaemonFCComcast is so intertwined with all the internet parasites anymore, Sandvine traffic degradation and now Bing search hijackingAug 07 17:07
Meliolol yepAug 07 17:07
DaemonFCit's kind of hard to decide which ISP I want to be bent over byAug 07 17:07
Melioanyhow I'm getting directtv installed todayAug 07 17:07
Melioand I got my dialtone from AT&T earlyer todayAug 07 17:07
Melioplus I cut like 2 other neighbors lawnsAug 07 17:07
Meliowith my riding lawn mowerAug 07 17:07
Meliocause it's fucking fun to drive that thing around and cut grass with itAug 07 17:08
Meliono seriously, it's funAug 07 17:08
DaemonFCturns out Comcast is still using SandvineAug 07 17:08
DaemonFCthey monitor "heavy users" and throttle you during "peak hours"Aug 07 17:08
neighborleeMelio, you neeed to get out more oftenAug 07 17:08
neighborleehehAug 07 17:08
DaemonFCthey're using Sandvine to enforce thatAug 07 17:08
Meliocan'tAug 07 17:09
Meliotoo much grass to cutAug 07 17:09
Meliosoon as I'm doneAug 07 17:09
MelioI have to refill the tank and start cutting againAug 07 17:09
Melioi'm kiddingAug 07 17:09
MelioI do it about 1 time a weekAug 07 17:09
DaemonFCI had a fairly complicated setup to evade Sandvine back when they were throttling bittorrentAug 07 17:09
Melioyesterday I was at hootersAug 07 17:09
MelioI took my kid to see cleavage and camel toeAug 07 17:09
DaemonFCI had some limited success with folling itAug 07 17:09
DaemonFC*foolingAug 07 17:09
DaemonFCthe problem was that to break the connections between the seeder and leecher, Sandvine would send out a forged TCP reset packet to both partiesAug 07 17:10
DaemonFCso just dropping the packet you get doesn't fix the problemAug 07 17:11
DaemonFCI still have to wonder why Comcast blogs about this crap like it was a featureAug 07 17:13
DaemonFChttp://www.comcastvoices.com/2009/08/domain-helper-national-rollout-begins.htmlAug 07 17:13
DaemonFCone look at the comments telsl you that nobody is buying itAug 07 17:13
Balrogthere are zero comments?Aug 07 17:13
DaemonFC29 commentsAug 07 17:14
DaemonFCpretty much all by users complaining about itAug 07 17:14
DaemonFCI posted one that isn't "approved" yet :PAug 07 17:14
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DaemonFCI wonder how much money Microsoft slipped over the fence for thisAug 07 17:15
DaemonFCbecause you know Yahoo is broke and a Microsoft sockpuppet nowAug 07 17:15
DaemonFCI was reading somewhere this morning that Microsoft is paying Yahoo $50 million a year for the next 3 years and hiring 400 Yahoo employees to work on Bing, and they also got themselves a license to use Yahoo's stuff in Bing, all Yahoo searches are Bing searches, and they split the ad money, with Yahoo getting most of itAug 07 17:17
DaemonFCthey effectively have merged as much as the law would allowAug 07 17:17
DaemonFCI wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft starts buying up all the little fish search engines, or entering into "deals"Aug 07 17:19
DaemonFCpretty much everything out there that's not Google is borderline broke anywayAug 07 17:19
DaemonFCschestowitz: Did you see where MS has the patent for storing office documents in XML?Aug 07 17:23
DaemonFCthat's going to be interesting if they ever try to use it against anyone, especially since other XML formats were out there before theirsAug 07 17:24
BalrogDaemonFC: Google couldn't do that but MS can :\Aug 07 17:24
DaemonFCBalrog: Microsoft is framing the whole thing as they are David to the Google GoliathAug 07 17:24
DaemonFCand that Google is a search monopolyAug 07 17:24
DaemonFCthey've even asked the US DOJ to investigate GoogleAug 07 17:25
DaemonFCpublicity stuntAug 07 17:25
BalrogI know :(Aug 07 17:27
Balrogand Apple's current actions (which are likely under the pressure of AT&T) aren't helping anyoneAug 07 17:27
DaemonFCI'm hoping the FCC takes action against Apple/AT&TAug 07 17:28
BalrogIt's mostly about that exclusivity contract, I thinkAug 07 17:28
DaemonFCthey may or may not, both sides are huge, obscenely wealthy corporationsAug 07 17:28
DaemonFCso it's anyones guessAug 07 17:28
DaemonFCusually the FCC just decides in favor of who has the most moneyAug 07 17:28
Balroghopefully it turns out like the ATT decision in the 70'sAug 07 17:29
BalrogI'll bblAug 07 17:29
DaemonFCwell, the AT&T decisision was largely responsible for giving rise to MicrosoftAug 07 17:29
DaemonFCso it had some unintended consequencesAug 07 17:29
DaemonFCeven if it did some short term goodAug 07 17:29
DaemonFCthat's why I'm on the fence about antitrust complaints against Microsoft, it could give us a repeat of monopoly taken down > power vaccum > something worse comes alongAug 07 17:30
MeliodudeAug 07 17:31
Meliostop buying microsoft shitAug 07 17:31
Melioand microsoft will failAug 07 17:31
Meliotell people, STOP BUYING ITAug 07 17:31
Melioand people will stop buying itAug 07 17:31
Meliobecome that lead IT managerAug 07 17:31
Melioand tell your corporate assholes.. STOP buying itAug 07 17:31
Melioand they willAug 07 17:31
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Meliothat's my planAug 07 17:32
Meliowhat's yours?Aug 07 17:32
DaemonFCcompanies take the path of least resistenceAug 07 17:32
MelioI'll give them the path of least resistanceAug 07 17:32
DaemonFCthat so happens to be Windows some of the time just because they've accumulated so much of a system that relies on itAug 07 17:32
Melioaccountants never ever told me how to do my jobAug 07 17:32
neighborleethat wont work melioAug 07 17:32
neighborleeyou cant force people..or TELL them anythingAug 07 17:32
MelioI told them how to spend moneyAug 07 17:32
neighborleethey must experience itAug 07 17:33
Meliobullshit :pAug 07 17:33
DaemonFCit's like saying that you've shot yourself in the foot, so you might as well shoot your other one tooAug 07 17:33
Meliotechnologists put companies into microsofts handsAug 07 17:33
Meliobecause they were lazyAug 07 17:33
Meliotrust meAug 07 17:33
MelioI was lazy onceAug 07 17:33
neighborleewe should not be zealots about thisAug 07 17:33
MelioI know how this works :PAug 07 17:33
DaemonFCcompanies see it as spreadign the cost evenly over the next x number of yearsAug 07 17:33
neighborleeits fine to encourage..educate..discussAug 07 17:33
DaemonFCvs. spending less but all at onceAug 07 17:33
MelioI know how companies do itAug 07 17:33
neighborleebut lets keep it out of the other stage ;)Aug 07 17:33
MelioI've spent millions on the shitAug 07 17:33
neighborleelike I haven'tAug 07 17:33
Melionot saying you havent eitherAug 07 17:33
MelioI worked for the DODAug 07 17:34
schestowitzLook at this junk... http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1328507&cid=28981679Aug 07 17:34
DaemonFCit's like renewing your car insuranceAug 07 17:34
MelioI had microsoft pouring out of my pantsAug 07 17:34
DaemonFCwhere Linux is the pay in full discountAug 07 17:34
neighborleeMelio, lolAug 07 17:34
neighborleeeek ;)Aug 07 17:34
DaemonFCbut Microsoft is the minimum paymentAug 07 17:34
neighborleenasty visual o_0Aug 07 17:34
neighborleehehAug 07 17:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: I'm writing about XML patents ATMAug 07 17:34
neighborleebut yes.MS bites I totally agreeAug 07 17:34
neighborleethey aren't even clever about it..not reallyAug 07 17:34
Melioschestowitz: you live with your parents?Aug 07 17:35
neighborleebut anyway gotta run..clients needsAug 07 17:35
neighborleebbl have fun ;0-0Aug 07 17:35
Meliowell sir. that automatic disqualifies you from being a spendoholicAug 07 17:35
Melio:PAug 07 17:35
schestowitzMelio: noAug 07 17:35
DaemonFCI managed to hack together all my old Doom, Hexen, and Quake games together into Doomsday EngineAug 07 17:35
schestowitzIt's lots of lies thereAug 07 17:35
DaemonFCmy eyes are kind of dry from playing Doom since midnight :PAug 07 17:35
schestowitzThat's why I show thisAug 07 17:35
Melioschestowitz I'v been called worseAug 07 17:35
MelioinfactAug 07 17:35
Melioif people dont want me deadAug 07 17:36
MelioI'm not doing it rightAug 07 17:36
Meliothat's kinda my way of lifeAug 07 17:36
DaemonFCMicrosoft is already in trouble with Windows 7Aug 07 17:36
schestowitzTo say the leastAug 07 17:36
MelioI prefer insulting religion over microsoft. but microsoft seems to be current religion I'm trying to debunkAug 07 17:36
DaemonFCit's already cracked and it's not even up for sale til OctoberAug 07 17:36
schestowitzW-E ran out of steamAug 07 17:36
schestowitzPerception Managemetn Fail(R)Aug 07 17:36
Melioreligious whackos are no differnt from microsoft fanboysAug 07 17:36
schestowitzMicrosoft should call Edelman's troops to help W-EAug 07 17:36
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DaemonFCthey're trying every kind of incentive they can think of to keep more customers from leaving themAug 07 17:37
schestowitzI suppose DaemonFC missed the attacka from Microsoft technical Evangelist/s on me and BNAug 07 17:37
DaemonFCI read his side of itAug 07 17:37
DaemonFCI would have agreed with his argument if he had even bothered to admit who he was in the commentAug 07 17:38
DaemonFCjust one line saying "Disclaimer: I work for Microsoft" would have been plentyAug 07 17:39
DaemonFCthey know that nobody is going to do more than skim over their commentAug 07 17:39
DaemonFCit takes work to follow it back to their blog where is says on page 12 that they work at Microsoft as a tech evangelistAug 07 17:39
Xarverschestowitz: by the way, Mandriva is working like a gem now :)Aug 07 17:40
DaemonFCthat thing about Microsoft hiring a gas station attendent off the street to lead their IE development was really twistedAug 07 17:40
DaemonFCmakes me wonder who that guy is related toAug 07 17:41
DaemonFC:PAug 07 17:41
DaemonFCam I the only person who finds it odd that the guy went from making minimum wage, no education, no background or degree, to managing IE development in under a year?Aug 07 17:42
DaemonFCthat kind of stuff doesn't just happenAug 07 17:42
MinceRdoomsday engine supports quake now?Aug 07 17:43
DaemonFCyepAug 07 17:44
DaemonFCDoomsday is a pretty good engineAug 07 17:44
DaemonFCI tried running the Doom 95 EXE and found that Windows 7 breaks it because it depends on a few things that were obsoleted in XP and VistaAug 07 17:45
DaemonFCit depended on a vxd-style mouse driver which NT has never supported, and directplay, which was killed off in VistaAug 07 17:45
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DaemonFCand Windows Display Driver Model kind of finished it offAug 07 17:46
DaemonFCit runs fine in Doomsday though, you just need the WADAug 07 17:46
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DaemonFCniceAug 07 17:51
DaemonFClooks like Apogee released a bunch of source code for their old DOS gamesAug 07 17:55
DaemonFCunder GPLAug 07 17:55
DaemonFChttp://www.3drealms.com/news/2009/03/several_old_games_released_as_freeware.htmlAug 07 17:55
DaemonFCold news, but I jsut stumbled on itAug 07 17:56
DaemonFCheh, EGA/CGAAug 07 17:57
DaemonFCnow that's OLDAug 07 17:57
schestowitzXarver: good to hearAug 07 17:59
Xarverhmm strange my volume control won't let me mute or edit it and it says videoAug 07 17:59
schestowitzWHich volume control?Aug 07 18:00
schestowitzYou can add a volume widget to the KDE panelsAug 07 18:00
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XarverkmixerAug 07 18:01
Xarverthe one on the panelAug 07 18:02
DaemonFChmmm, downstairs neighbors are moving out, yayAug 07 18:05
Xarver:PAug 07 18:06
DaemonFCplay my music as loud as I want and steal back the good parking spotAug 07 18:06
DaemonFC:PAug 07 18:06
XarverlolAug 07 18:07
DaemonFCI did notice one interesting thing about Windows 7Aug 07 18:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Keeps Trying to Inject Software Patents Into ODF and Other Standards http://ping.fm/Ti5bmAug 07 18:18
schestowitzVista 7Aug 07 18:18
DaemonFCit doesn't fight with Linux over the system clockAug 07 18:18
DaemonFCwhen DST kicks inAug 07 18:18
DaemonFCit supports coordinated unioversal time finallyAug 07 18:19
DaemonFC*universalAug 07 18:19
DaemonFCI haven't been able to find any reference to Active DesktopAug 07 18:23
DaemonFCthat is, a web page as wallpaperAug 07 18:23
DaemonFCI always did think that was kind of sillyAug 07 18:23
XarverKDE should sue Micro$oftAug 07 18:35
Xarver:PAug 07 18:35
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schestowitzKDE is too nice for thatAug 07 19:00
schestowitzLet Microsoft be the crazy one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-P6HPZgMs&feature=relAug 07 19:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Ronnie Biggs set loose to terrorise nation http://bit.ly/TzJRuAug 07 19:02
DaemonFCschestowitz: Don't you mean this?Aug 07 19:02
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIk4qTKmKzEAug 07 19:02
Meliodish guy is on my roof putting in the super dishAug 07 19:12
EruaranI've been looking at ISO_29500_2008_Defect_Report.pdfAug 07 19:12
Meliohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo&feature=relatedAug 07 19:13
EruaranWhat a ridiculous pile of excrementAug 07 19:13
Melioiphone is putting apple's stock at double what it's worthAug 07 19:14
Melioappl is up 2.35 points right nowAug 07 19:14
Melioaapl sorryAug 07 19:14
MelioStocks are rallying, driving the Standard & Poor's 500 Index to a 10-month high on Friday after a stronger-than-expected jobs report added to recent data pointing to an economic recovery.Aug 07 19:16
Meliosee that's good newsAug 07 19:16
EruaranIt makes me think that Ballmer could take a large dump and say "here's our specification" and the ISO & ECMA would actually form committees of terribly serious self important morons who will actually sit there picking at this piece of exrement and write reports about it helping Microsoft to get Ballmers faecal matter passed as an international standard.Aug 07 19:16
DaemonFChmmm, Duke Nukem: Atomic Edition runsAug 07 19:17
MinceRon what?Aug 07 19:18
DaemonFCWindows 7Aug 07 19:26
DaemonFCI've dug out a bunch of old gamesAug 07 19:26
DaemonFCjust throwing them all inAug 07 19:26
MeliohehAug 07 19:27
MinceRand when exactly did we start caring about what runs on vista7? :>Aug 07 19:33
Meliosince he wanted to find outAug 07 19:33
Melioit's his project let him blog about itAug 07 19:33
MinceRbut why here?Aug 07 19:33
Meliothere might be one guy with freelancer that wants to know if it runsAug 07 19:33
MelioI donoAug 07 19:34
Melioat least he's not complaining about twitter being downAug 07 19:34
*MinceR waves to twitter Aug 07 19:34
Xarver:(Aug 07 19:34
Xarverhehe look at this :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOQZ8MRvB4&NR=1Aug 07 19:35
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Please Sign Petition to Protest Amazon’s Remote Deletion of 1984 and Animal Farm http://ping.fm/DmJrCAug 07 19:36
schestowitzXarver: he threw an egg at a chickenAug 07 19:37
XarverteheeAug 07 19:37
Xarver:PAug 07 19:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The decline and fall of the internet troll http://is.gd/26QHPAug 07 19:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @jsalsman the internet has interpreted #Apple as damage to the #iPhone and has routed around it http://bit.ly/cXA2mAug 07 19:51
schestowitzBaby emissions fuel global warming < http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/aug/04/population-climate-change-birth-rates >Aug 07 19:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Extradition: A bad and unfair treaty < http://ping.fm/cmsJt >To say the least...Aug 07 19:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Warning: Oil supplies are running out fast" < http://ping.fm/EtIkL > Energy will still exist, but not in a readily available form that ...Aug 07 19:56
schestowitzHow to avoid being captured on CCTV < http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/how-to-avoid-being-captured-on-cctv-244353 >Aug 07 19:56
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schestowitzA Single Command Install of Thunderbird 3 beta 3 on Ubuntu < http://www.kabatology.com/07/29/a-single-command-install-of-thunderbird-3-beta-3-on-ubuntu/ > Will extensions already b compatible with TB3?Aug 07 19:59
schestowitzMono advocate offers Mono-free Ubuntu remix < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26797/1231/ >Aug 07 20:00
schestowitzHow about coverage for Bloatnux?Aug 07 20:01
schestowitzGood photo: http://blogs.dailynews.com/click/2009/08/booting-puppy-412-from-a-usb-s.htmlAug 07 20:03
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schestowitzGhosts Selling Drugs < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8487 >Aug 07 20:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows DDOS attacks against Twitter have not ended. http://ping.fm/4cIA4 (ÜberTwitter Still Busted - That's ÜberLame)Aug 07 20:17
schestowitzYouTube Launches Site for Smartphones < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/07/youtube-launches-site-for-smartphones >Aug 07 20:17
DaemonFChttp://www.abcactionnews.com/content/news/weird/story/Man-claims-hes-jailed-because-cats-computer-skills/c6OaXG7JW0uOis9k9a33XA.cspxAug 07 20:31
DaemonFChttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136362/_Dumb_Windows_7_upgrade_chart_sparks_spat?taxonomyId=123Aug 07 20:33
twitterfunny comments on the ITWire story, but I'm not sure why people pay attention to Jo Shields.  ->  Let's see, this is the same Jo shields who has been dishing out insults, evasions, and misinformation, calls this remix Chicken Little, giving advice on good…Aug 07 20:33
DaemonFCthat's kind of what was bound to happen when they released 6 versions of VistaAug 07 20:33
DaemonFCa nightmarish flow chart describing what version of Windows 7 upgrade you can runAug 07 20:33
schestowitzGoogle News was broken yesterdayAug 07 20:33
schestowitzIt displays 2-week-old news as newAug 07 20:34
DaemonFCto make things worse, Vista Ultimate users have to upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate even though there's no reason to have itAug 07 20:34
DaemonFCPro added all the Media Center stuffAug 07 20:35
DaemonFCso they're caught with an extra expensive upgrade for probably no reasonAug 07 20:35
DaemonFChttp://mossblog.allthingsd.com/files/2009/08/windows-upgrade-chart.pngAug 07 20:36
DaemonFCkind of reminds me of TetrisAug 07 20:36
twitterI've seen that before.  Your analysis of MoG flashbacks and other SEO techniques probably applies here.Aug 07 20:36
DaemonFCI should post that to YTMND with some horror musicAug 07 20:37
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4OxmXpKCcIAug 07 20:38
DaemonFCwhat's the name of this music?Aug 07 20:39
DaemonFCI think that would be perfectAug 07 20:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's Carmina BuranaAug 07 20:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Linux admin demand up 50%, MCSEs are down 28.6%, MCSAs are down 33%. Go Free(dom) Software! http://bit.ly/jWVM8Aug 07 20:49
schestowitzamarsh04_: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1496591/hp-slashes-eds-salaries-half (HP slashes EDS salaries by half)Aug 07 20:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz livejournal is still having problems tooAug 07 20:51
schestowitz"New ID cards [...] ook our expert 12 minutes to clone one, and programme it with false data" http://ping.fm/d2iG5Aug 07 20:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft only releases Vista 7 to fans so that early reviews will seem positive ("fans" after all): http://ping.fm/je1ycAug 07 20:52
twittervery nice comment from Slashdot.  TEs are so witlessAug 07 20:52
schestowitzWhich one?Aug 07 20:53
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schestowitzThe libel?Aug 07 20:53
_goblinhi allAug 07 20:54
twitterThere's all sorts of libel all over that thread.  I noticed the one about hot sex.Aug 07 20:55
twitterWhat would a TE know about sex?Aug 07 20:55
twitterThe charming "white picket fence" thing is so transparent.Aug 07 20:55
_goblinlol....Aug 07 20:56
schestowitz_goblin: for context, it's some comment in /.Aug 07 20:56
_goblinpicked up in the middle of your conversation...Aug 07 20:56
schestowitzSlashdot linked to BN, so the slimers took it upon themselves to randomly spread lies about meAug 07 20:56
schestowitzSOmething like "c0ck-sucking fagg0t"Aug 07 20:56
twitterand your friends, the "M$ Haters"Aug 07 20:56
schestowitzMicrosoft loves everything!Aug 07 20:57
Xarverguys, is python.org working for you?Aug 07 20:57
twitterHere's what I saw above for those who missed out http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1328507&cid=28981679Aug 07 20:57
schestowitzHow can anyone not like Microsoft?Aug 07 20:57
schestowitzTHose "haters"Aug 07 20:57
_goblinas usual, I'd probably take it as an insult if they didnt.....when you hurt the MS faithful they always resort to vulgarity.Aug 07 20:57
_goblinsince theres no chairs about.Aug 07 20:57
schestowitzXarver: many sites are messed upAug 07 20:57
schestowitzbash-3.2$ ping python.orgAug 07 20:57
schestowitzPING python.org (82.94.164.162) 56(84) bytes of data.Aug 07 20:57
schestowitz64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162): icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=16.4 msAug 07 20:57
schestowitz64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162): icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=16.4 msAug 07 20:57
schestowitz64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162): icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=16.3 msAug 07 20:57
schestowitzI'm still on opendns cause of the zombiesAug 07 20:58
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Xarverschestowitz: Failed to Connect :(Aug 07 20:58
schestowitz_goblin: I'm sure they get chairlets when they are promoted to full-time TEsAug 07 20:59
twittergolden chairlet awardsAug 07 21:00
schestowitzhttp://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/143200/from/rss09Aug 07 21:00
twitterlike a little trophy for TEsAug 07 21:00
schestowitzTHe Golden Shill(R)Aug 07 21:01
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schestowitzLaura Ensross/Waggener, the legendary winnerAug 07 21:01
_goblin_Openbytes is going to be one year old tomorrow.....Aug 07 21:01
schestowitzTE Laurettes never rest on their laurelsAug 07 21:01
twitterThe chairlet has to be for conspicuous vulgarity and insultAug 07 21:02
schestowitz_goblin: BN is over 2 y-o nowAug 07 21:02
schestowitzStill growingAug 07 21:02
schestowitzOver 8000 UIPs yesterdayAug 07 21:02
twittersuch awards mean nothing if they don't come form the wider communityAug 07 21:02
twitterwe can helpAug 07 21:02
_goblin_Im including my graphs in the birthday post....they show a massive increase in UIP readers...Aug 07 21:03
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schestowitzWhy is it the people describe more layoffs as good news because the /pace/ is decreased slightly? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/us_jobs_report_july09/Aug 07 21:08
DaemonFChttp://windows7upgrade.ytmnd.com/Aug 07 21:08
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DaemonFCheheAug 07 21:08
schestowitzEnough of this guerilla advertisingAug 07 21:09
schestowitzamarsh04_: http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/HPs-Huge-Salary-Cuts-Forcing-Out-Old-EDS-Employees-52485672.html (HP's Huge Salary Cuts Forcing Out Old EDS Employees) How can they do it so radically?Aug 07 21:09
Balrogschestowitz: remember that many people have dynamic IP addressesAug 07 21:10
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twitterIt's all about keeping people from realizing how robbed they are.Aug 07 21:10
twitterGood times ahead, trust me.Aug 07 21:10
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twitterpay no attention to my billions in bonusAug 07 21:10
twitterfrom tax moneyAug 07 21:11
BRBT_argh, netsplit :(Aug 07 21:11
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BalrogsorryAug 07 21:11
schestowitzHalf of UK firms have lay-off plans < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/bcc_job_cuts_survey/ >Aug 07 21:12
schestowitzThe Microsoft folks (Clarke in this case) are plastering Microsoft ads in all sorts of places... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/bing_goes_the_internet/ And the Reg's credibility falls a little lower...Aug 07 21:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: http://ping.fm/TMlja "Facebook told BBC News that the strike was aimed at a pro-Georgian blogger known as Cyxymu."Aug 07 21:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 20 million downloads in 3 months mean that OpenOffice.org is downloaded over 7 million times per month: http://ping.fm/2cPgAAug 07 21:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OOo team responds to allegations that it's mimicking the Ribbon usability disaster: http://ping.fm/H3fxOAug 07 21:36
schestowitzAMD does reverse GPGPU, announces OpenCL SDK for x86 < http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/08/amd-announces-opencl-sdk-for-x86.ars >Aug 07 21:38
trmanco"Apparently, Apple is worried that the patent holders behind the Theora technology will come knocking with a lawsuit"Aug 07 21:38
trmancowtfAug 07 21:38
trmancotheora has patents?Aug 07 21:38
schestowitzThere's somethingAug 07 21:39
Xarverbash-3.2$ ping python.orgAug 07 21:39
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=theora+patent&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Aug 07 21:39
MinceRiirc they're licensed to everyoneAug 07 21:39
schestowitzPING python.or (67.215.65.132) 56(84) bytes of data.Aug 07 21:40
schestowitz64 bytes from hit-nxdomain.opendns.com (67.215.65.132): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=6.77 msAug 07 21:40
MinceRand crApple is just spreading FUD, as usualAug 07 21:40
schestowitzAnd NokiaAug 07 21:40
MinceR(they've been trying to kill ogg for a while now)Aug 07 21:40
schestowitzThey have a share in the patent poolAug 07 21:40
MinceRyes, nokia tooAug 07 21:40
schestowitzThey are part of the same racket that pays them per licenceAug 07 21:40
schestowitzThey don't want to give up this little racket they got going. Microsoft too..Aug 07 21:40
trmancowowAug 07 21:40
trmancopython downAug 07 21:41
schestowitzI only recently found out about Nokia's 'share of the pot'Aug 07 21:41
trmancomaybe got hit by a botnotAug 07 21:41
schestowitzhttp://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/positions/Nokia.pdfAug 07 21:41
trmanco*/netAug 07 21:41
trmanco--- python.org ping statistics ---Aug 07 21:41
trmanco38 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 37049msAug 07 21:41
schestowitztrmanco: not botnotAug 07 21:42
schestowitzbot.NETAug 07 21:42
trmancoheheAug 07 21:42
trmancoI really wonder if kde is free/safe of monoAug 07 21:42
trmancoI should start to learn how to use console based appsAug 07 21:43
schestowitzhttp://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2009/08/links-graphics-and-text-mode-web.htmlAug 07 21:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Is Google spending $106.5m to open source a codec?: http://is.gd/26WymAug 07 21:43
trmancojust for precautionAug 07 21:43
schestowitztrmanco: Google is not a charityAug 07 21:43
trmancoand maybe use X for some graphical browserAug 07 21:43
trmancobut Google does promote fossAug 07 21:43
trmancoI mean, ossAug 07 21:44
trmancothey could have spent to $106m in improving theoraAug 07 21:44
trmancothose*Aug 07 21:44
schestowitzTwitter, Facebook Attacks No Surprise to Security Experts < http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/twitter-facebook-attacks-no-surprise-to-security-experts/ > Watch the graph!Aug 07 21:46
schestowitztrmanco: yes, see my post about Ogg and Googlon2Aug 07 21:46
trmancohttp://knownissues.blogspot.com/2009/08/distributed-denial-of-service-attack.htmlAug 07 21:47
trmancohey lookAug 07 21:47
trmancobotnet attack google tooAug 07 21:47
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/08/a-decade-later-the-iron-giants-weaponized-soul-still-stirs/Aug 07 21:47
trmancobotnets*Aug 07 21:47
schestowitzYes, I knowAug 07 21:47
trmancoahAug 07 21:47
schestowitzBut they won't talk about itAug 07 21:48
schestowitzThis would make the crackers happyAug 07 21:48
schestowitzIn BN we don't talk about it in this channel, eitherAug 07 21:48
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schestowitzGroklaw seems to have a "no comment" policAug 07 21:48
trmancoughAug 07 21:49
trmancoeventually they (bots) will overheat or something and then get a bluescreenAug 07 21:49
schestowitzIndictment Comes as Feds Consider Legalizing, Taxing Online Gambling — Update < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/indictment-comes-as-feds-consider-legalizing-taxing-online-gaming/ > They glamorise gambling and then take people's doughAug 07 21:50
schestowitztrmanco: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/darpa_buys_british_armour/ (Brit firm sells hi-tech fabric vehicle armour to DARPA)Aug 07 21:51
DaemonFCof courseAug 07 21:51
DaemonFCthey always figure out a way to take more from youAug 07 21:51
DaemonFCthey take over a third of it from you before you even get your paycheckAug 07 21:51
schestowitzNow, this is cool: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/06/amphibious_hybrid/Aug 07 21:51
schestowitzANd those who are 'shrewd' like Microsoft just do the finances in Ireland and pay less than 1% taxAug 07 21:52
schestowitzLeaving it to the Joes and Janes of the US of AAug 07 21:52
schestowitzWho will pay tax for MicrosoftAug 07 21:52
trmancoI'm no big fan of the armyAug 07 21:52
DaemonFCI've done the math before and figured that a person making $10 an hour is lucky to see $5 of it by the time you figure in all the taxes that will be put on that personAug 07 21:52
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schestowitztrmanco: how come? You MUST love itAug 07 21:52
trmancobut if it weren't fot them, I would be sitting here right now chatting with a computer and an internet connectionAug 07 21:53
trmancoschestowitz, why me?Aug 07 21:53
schestowitzHow else would you colonise nations for cheaper oil?\Aug 07 21:53
DaemonFCthe government is smart enough to not take it from you all in one placeAug 07 21:53
schestowitz[And heap labour]Aug 07 21:53
schestowitz*chapAug 07 21:53
DaemonFCthey jsut stick you on payday and let you bleed the rest of it outAug 07 21:53
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trmancoschestowitz, talking about Portugal's past, I still didn't get your pointAug 07 21:54
DaemonFCbut if someone has the money to smoke and drink and gamble, better they skim off that guy than meAug 07 21:54
DaemonFC:PAug 07 21:54
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8488Aug 07 21:54
schestowitzNation of the best healthcareAug 07 21:54
schestowitztrmanco: I was joking about other nationsAug 07 21:54
DaemonFCthe Republicans have done quite a job getting poor people to keep kicking themselves in the nutsAug 07 21:55
*DaemonFC clapsAug 07 21:55
trmancowouldn't*Aug 07 21:55
_Hicham_DaemonFC, what a great dayAug 07 21:55
_Hicham_where have u been all this time ?Aug 07 21:55
DaemonFCmehAug 07 21:56
schestowitzHahahahja.. watch OBAMAA...  http://techdirt.com/articles/20090806/1754335791.shtmlAug 07 21:56
MinceRhe was pimping his vista7 desktopAug 07 21:56
MinceRwhat else.Aug 07 21:56
XarverWindows 7 deadly sinsAug 07 21:56
DaemonFCFrom going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.Aug 07 21:56
_Hicham_DaemonFC : were u looking for a lost OS ?Aug 07 21:59
DaemonFCthe thing that bewilders me is that the price of everything is skyrocketing and there's still bibles on sale at the dollar store, for $1Aug 07 21:59
DaemonFCsomeone has to be subsidizing thatAug 07 22:00
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DaemonFC;)Aug 07 22:00
DaemonFCalmsot like the rich have a vested interest in everybody having oneAug 07 22:00
schestowitzIs It Illegal To Posess Unmarked CDs In Texas? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090807/0258575802.shtml >Aug 07 22:04
DaemonFC"Most of the story is about the fact that the guy is ridiculously obese and had been able to sneak a gun into prison in between flabs of skin"Aug 07 22:05
DaemonFCcoolAug 07 22:05
DaemonFCand still didn't manage to escapeAug 07 22:06
DaemonFCeven with a loaded pistolAug 07 22:06
DaemonFCmust be a moron tooAug 07 22:06
trmancohttp://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/hard-drive-weight-increasing/Aug 07 22:06
neighborleeI can vouch , that windows7 is junk atmAug 07 22:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hard Drive Weight Increasing ?: http://is.gd/26XIzAug 07 22:08
BalroglolAug 07 22:08
neighborleeit can't even detect my acpi hardware, so im essentially left with none.computer wont  shutdown after X number of minutesAug 07 22:08
neighborleeit IS faster than vista as such,,but it does have some problem spots to be sure o_0Aug 07 22:09
neighborleeim willing to pay almost $200 for priviledge of running this supposdly faster OS,,,not a chance.Aug 07 22:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme 30 Tutorials Combining Both Wordpress and jQuery : Speckyboy Design Magazine http://bit.ly/XVA9cAug 07 22:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Don't do a Windows update while on a public wifi http://bit.ly/2jTqAAug 07 22:13
DaemonFCschestowitz: I suppose I'd be in a whole heap of trouble :PAug 07 22:14
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DaemonFCif I got 2 years for every "unlabeled" recording I haveAug 07 22:14
DaemonFCthat would be about 2,000 years in prisonAug 07 22:14
schestowitzneighborlee: don't worry. Prception Management will fix everythingAug 07 22:15
DaemonFCall the more reason to put them on an MP3 player to take with youAug 07 22:15
schestowitzhttp://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/08/06/is-mugabe-preparing-for-war/ (Is Mugabe preparing for war?)Aug 07 22:15
DaemonFCthen the cop can't tell where you got themAug 07 22:16
neighborleeschestowitz, hehAug 07 22:16
DaemonFCit's pretty obvious when it's a blank CD labeled with a sharpie markerAug 07 22:16
neighborleeim thinking about flac ogg player soon,,its great to see them supported finally, that and ogg video in firefox...just great ;)Aug 07 22:18
neighborleeDaemonFC, lolAug 07 22:18
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Linux---The-New-Hot-Job-Skill-67789.htmlAug 07 22:18
schestowitzWho would learn windows now?Aug 07 22:19
DaemonFCyeah, but Vorbis will kill your batteryAug 07 22:19
DaemonFCMP3 is much simpler to decode, even has its own dedicated decoding chipset in the playerAug 07 22:19
DaemonFCVorbis doesn't usuallyAug 07 22:19
DaemonFCit's a fair bet that if they added Vorbis in a post-release firmware update, it's going to munch your batteryAug 07 22:20
zoobab01are there any vorbis decoding chips?Aug 07 22:21
MinceRguess what, if you want greater compression ratios, it's going to be more complexAug 07 22:21
DaemonFCI think the Cowon plauyers do it in hardwareAug 07 22:21
MinceRand it will require more cpu powerAug 07 22:21
DaemonFCthe Sansa Fuze does it in softwareAug 07 22:21
DaemonFCVorbis is far too complex to decode considering how few bits it actually savesAug 07 22:21
DaemonFCunless you can decode it in hardwareAug 07 22:22
DaemonFCwhich *does* happen on *some* players, and then go for itAug 07 22:22
schestowitzCircular Awards 2009 - now with added Astroturf http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/microsoft_word_patent/Aug 07 22:22
DaemonFCreally though, the space savings would only be useful on the stingiest flash drivesAug 07 22:22
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DaemonFCif you have at least 16-32 gigs, I'd just use VBR MP3 on Lame's Standard setting, unless you know for sure the chipset can decode Vorbis all by itselfAug 07 22:24
MinceRor get a player with a proper amount of battery and stop worrying.Aug 07 22:24
DaemonFCyou'll still get 500 albums or moreAug 07 22:24
DaemonFChard drive players make the debate between MP3 and Vorbis purely academicAug 07 22:25
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DaemonFCthere's no way you're going to overrun 160 gigs, even if you encode everything to 320k CBRAug 07 22:25
MinceR640k should be enough for everyone.Aug 07 22:26
MinceRalso, hard drive players are more susceptible to physical damage.Aug 07 22:26
DaemonFCwell, a 320k CBR MP3 will do 2.34 megs per minuteAug 07 22:26
DaemonFCthere's 163,840 megs in 160 gigsAug 07 22:27
neighborleeDaemonFC, mainly flac, but yeah ogg is there tooAug 07 22:27
DaemonFC70,017 minutesAug 07 22:27
DaemonFC1166 hoursAug 07 22:27
DaemonFC48.6 daysAug 07 22:27
MinceRand you only ever play your songs sequentially, from the first to the lastAug 07 22:27
DaemonFCand that's at MP3's maximum settingAug 07 22:27
MinceRalso, quality doesn't matterAug 07 22:28
DaemonFCI'd hate for you to tell me that *only* 49.6 days of continuous music is not enoughAug 07 22:28
DaemonFCand that you need Vorbis to squeeze 2-3 more on thereAug 07 22:28
DaemonFC*48.6Aug 07 22:29
DaemonFCdo you have 1200 CDs?Aug 07 22:29
MinceRi have lots of mods :>Aug 07 22:30
MinceRalso, sometimes i suddenly feel like listening to a specific set of songsAug 07 22:30
DaemonFCgranted Vorbis sounds the same at lower bitratesAug 07 22:31
DaemonFCbut you're talking 15%, maybeAug 07 22:31
MinceRwell, if i could spare the space, i'd go for flacAug 07 22:31
DaemonFCit's not some magic bullet, it's an "I'll take it" improvementAug 07 22:31
DaemonFCthere really is nothing that performs as well as MP3 at half the bitrate like they all claimAug 07 22:31
MinceRperhaps you expect too muchAug 07 22:33
DaemonFCLame standard VBR will already get you 6.5-7:1 compression ratios an still sound fineAug 07 22:33
MinceR"fine" is subjectiveAug 07 22:33
DaemonFCVorbis isn't going to improve a lot on that, nothing doesAug 07 22:33
MinceRwe're talking about sound qualityAug 07 22:33
MinceRalso, it depends on the rest of your equipment (mainly the headphones)Aug 07 22:34
DaemonFCMicrosoft tried to make the same claims with WMA 9 SeriesAug 07 22:34
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DaemonFCwhic his technically very similar to Vorbis and LC-AACAug 07 22:34
MinceRit's also technically very similar to mp3, isn't it? :>Aug 07 22:34
DaemonFCit's closer to LC-AAC and Vorbis than it is to MP3Aug 07 22:34
DaemonFCMicrosoft even hired the guy that invented the MDCT theory that all of them useAug 07 22:35
DaemonFCI don't use it thoughAug 07 22:35
DaemonFCthe bitstream format is better than the rest, but their encoder still sucksAug 07 22:35
DaemonFCfor example, it has 6 frame sizes to choose from and Vorbis has 2Aug 07 22:36
DaemonFCbut the WMA encoder frequently chooses poorly and the resulting file sounds worseAug 07 22:36
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DaemonFCthe bitstream format is not the only thing you have to look at, but it's easier to improve the encoder when you have a good bitstream formatAug 07 22:37
DaemonFCthough Microsoft has pretty much abandoned WMA's Standard codecAug 07 22:37
DaemonFCthe one they're pushing now is more in line with High Efficiency AACAug 07 22:38
DaemonFCbut they've made it so that even though WMA Pro beats Vorbis, it takes a hellacious amount of processing power to decodeAug 07 22:39
DaemonFCand thus they make it unusable on portablesAug 07 22:39
schestowitzRumor: Asus to launch Moblin-powered Eee PC soon < http://www.liliputing.com/2009/08/rumor-asus-to-launch-moblin-powered-eee-pc-soon.html >Aug 07 22:39
schestowitzIt'sbetterwithlinux.com..Aug 07 22:39
DaemonFCthe Zune is the only portable that can handle WMA Pro, and it has to disable a lot of the nicer features to even decode it at allAug 07 22:40
DaemonFCbelieve me, I did consider it until I saw what they scuttled from the decoder engineAug 07 22:41
DaemonFCdid their "Better with Windows" deal fall through?Aug 07 22:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bing Search Reveals Pro-Microsoft Results: http://is.gd/26YW9Aug 07 22:43
DaemonFCsaw that earlierAug 07 22:45
DaemonFCit also censors out bittorrent searchesAug 07 22:45
schestowitzCaItlyn seeds centos distrust http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/archives/2009/08/is_your_linux_d.htmlAug 07 22:51
schestowitzIs Microsoft breaking any hard law?Aug 07 22:51
schestowitzOne could argue that they should flag it as "advertising", not search resultsAug 07 22:52
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DaemonFCdoubt itAug 07 22:52
DaemonFCit's their decision what to show youAug 07 22:53
schestowitzhttp://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/08/06/an-ever-increasing-entropy-war-with-centos/Aug 07 22:53
DaemonFCwhy the hell was she using enterprise linux on a netbook?Aug 07 22:56
schestowitzping zoobab01 Aug 07 22:56
DaemonFCthat makes no sense at allAug 07 22:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Understanding Linux CPU Load - when should you be worried?: http://is.gd/26ZHcAug 07 23:05
schestowitzThe anti-Linux folks have fun at OSCON... http://blogs.msdn.com/saraford/archive/2009/07/31/oscon-2009-one-of-the-greatest-weeks-in-my-microsoft-career.aspxAug 07 23:07
trmancoarghAug 07 23:09
trmancoI broke redditAug 07 23:09
trmancoI can't search for phpAug 07 23:09
trmancobut python works :|Aug 07 23:10
_goblin_schestowitz: Seems there is "gold in them hills":Aug 07 23:10
_goblin_http://absolutevista.com/blogs/absolutevista/archive/2008/09/05/hp-xw4600-personal-workstation-giveaway-winner.aspxAug 07 23:10
_goblin_Good old Andre....Aug 07 23:10
_goblin_never keep a good shill down...Aug 07 23:10
schestowitzNobody in the press covers this farce.. http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Open-Invention-Network-1024910.htmlAug 07 23:10
schestowitz*LOL*Aug 07 23:11
schestowitzIs this new, _goblin_ ?Aug 07 23:11
_goblin_yep...Aug 07 23:11
_goblin_I saw him being congratulated on twitter...did a little research and found that.Aug 07 23:12
schestowitzOh wait!Aug 07 23:12
schestowitz_goblin_: you know whose site this is?Aug 07 23:12
schestowitzJohn... the one Microsoft bribed tooAug 07 23:12
_goblin_lol....Aug 07 23:12
_goblin_ah I see the name now John ObetoAug 07 23:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I broke #Reddit :(Aug 07 23:13
_goblin_something else for my report.Aug 07 23:13
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/john-obeto-gets-ms-schwag/Aug 07 23:13
_goblin_33 pages long (excluding exhibits)Aug 07 23:13
schestowitzMicrosoft Schwag Parties...Aug 07 23:15
neighborleethey should join with tea parties of republican base, heckling health care chats ;)Aug 07 23:19
neighborleefit right in o_0Aug 07 23:19
*schestowitz boils water for teaAug 07 23:21
neighborleeOMG I was stunned to hear,who was behind much of that hecklingAug 07 23:22
neighborleerick sometihng..tied of course..to insurance companiesAug 07 23:23
neighborleeIMagine thatAug 07 23:23
neighborlee:)Aug 07 23:23
neighborleerick s I think..saw last night on msnbcAug 07 23:23
neighborleegahAug 07 23:23
schestowitzIs there any trustworthy channel in the US?Aug 07 23:24
schestowitzI think NPR I can trust a bitAug 07 23:24
neighborleerick sottAug 07 23:24
neighborleescottAug 07 23:24
schestowitzMost small radio stations were bought by the Big GunsAug 07 23:24
neighborlee^Aug 07 23:24
neighborleeyeah nprAug 07 23:24
neighborlee:)Aug 07 23:24
neighborleebeyond that SHRUG good luckAug 07 23:24
neighborleeone needs to be careful to get info from multiple sourcesAug 07 23:25
neighborleeeven then one must be careful :))Aug 07 23:25
schestowitzI used to listen to some stations at work, but not anymore. Now we have audi/netcastsAug 07 23:26
schestowitzFLOSS Weekly is currently my favAug 07 23:27
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neighborleeOMG,,I was shocked to see lou dobbs of cnn, agreeing with berthers over the birth certificate thing and obama..Aug 07 23:29
neighborleecan you believe thatAug 07 23:29
neighborleehe's been a major player..trusted player,saying GO independentAug 07 23:30
neighborleeI guess he did o_0lolAug 07 23:30
neighborleebirthersAug 07 23:30
schestowitzDid you see the image of Omabaa [sic] with  doobie [sic]?Aug 07 23:30
neighborleenoAug 07 23:30
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090806/1754335791.shtmlAug 07 23:30
neighborleesighAug 07 23:32
neighborleenot surprising ;)Aug 07 23:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Reasons for Schools to Teach GNU/Linux http://bit.ly/BGinnAug 07 23:33
neighborleehttp://news.muckety.com/2009/08/05/lou-dobbs-birther-stance-busts-ratings/18661 < was referring to this lou dobbs btwAug 07 23:33
neighborleedont watch hi m anymoreAug 07 23:33
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ThistleWeb"another reasons" is a mixed term btwAug 07 23:35
ThistleWebreason, or other worksAug 07 23:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 is starting to fail just like Vista, even on the perception management front. http://bit.ly/3OqzOAug 07 23:38
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schestowitzTwitter is going wonky againAug 07 23:40
schestowitzYes, it's downAug 07 23:40
_goblinyep I noticed that.Aug 07 23:40
_goblinjust managed to get in a cheeky little post quickAug 07 23:41
schestowitzSome dude slurred Russian, so they took the whole site downAug 07 23:41
schestowitz*RusiaAug 07 23:41
schestowitz*RussiaAug 07 23:41
_goblin1 year old today!Aug 07 23:41
schestowitz[can't typeAug 07 23:41
_goblinsince its 0000Aug 07 23:41
schestowitz_goblin: not yetAug 07 23:41
_goblinaccording to my clock....Aug 07 23:41
_goblin0002Aug 07 23:41
_goblinRoy, when do the official COLA stats come out?Aug 07 23:43
schestowitzSaturdayAug 07 23:43
_goblinthanks.Aug 07 23:43
schestowitzRoy used to do it, now Slated doesAug 07 23:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Computer Game BOH Comes to GNU/Linux http://bit.ly/4z0TKXAug 07 23:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] HAPPY BIRTHDAY OPENBYTES! – 1 YEAR TODAY! http://tinyurl.com/nd4wqrAug 07 23:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @mrbill Ice-T, Certified Apple Repair Tech: http://bit.ly/yDU1wAug 07 23:55

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