| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks New Digital Master Map for Great Britain: Confidential Advice to Ministers http://bit.ly/2t5Z90 #wikipedia | Aug 22 00:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Victories for ODF and i4i-imposed Word Ban as an Opportunity for ODF http://ping.fm/gzPVQ | Aug 22 00:43 | |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: TextEdit (in OS X) has been able to open .odf since Leopard came out | Aug 22 00:47 |
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| Balrog_ | which is almost two years | Aug 22 00:47 |
| Balrog_ | soon it will be able to save ODF as well | Aug 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Aug 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't sure it was that one | Aug 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I remembered OS X had it | Aug 22 00:48 |
| Balrog_ | (soon meaning when the next major OS release comes out :P which is soon ) | Aug 22 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Just didn't remember which app | Aug 22 00:48 |
| Balrog_ | That I can confirm | Aug 22 00:48 |
| Balrog_ | yeah. Hopefully it will be implemented in iWork 2010 as well | Aug 22 00:48 |
| Balrog_ | iWork '09 can't handle it yet. It can't export docx though, only pdf rtf and doc | Aug 22 00:51 |
| schestowitz | I corrected the posy | Aug 22 00:51 |
| schestowitz | *post | Aug 22 00:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Hi all, I'm back @home. The date turned out to be a Microsoft Certified Engineer and logically he tried to impress me with his "knoweldge" | Aug 22 00:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Needles to say that it escalated to a complete disaster. What ever I am back "behind the console":-) | Aug 22 00:54 | |
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| ziggyfish_ | interesting, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10314756-56.html | Aug 22 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft PR (Friedshill) | Aug 22 01:09 |
| ziggyfish | yes, http://www.cnet.com/profile/Ina+Fried/?tag=mncol;txt | Aug 22 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | New page: OLPC < http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/OLPC > | Aug 22 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | hey schestowitz | Aug 22 01:52 |
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| twitter1 | good bye, Yahoo! http://slashdot.org/submission/1059655/Yahoo-Joins-M-in-the-Slog-Against-Google | Aug 22 04:57 |
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| FxChiP|Work | twitter, I find it interesting that you seem to have had that name before the popular service | Aug 22 05:17 |
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| twitter1 | twitter is a common word | Aug 22 05:25 |
| twitter1 | people jailed in China for sharing Windoze http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/2122248/China-Jails-Four-For-Microsoft-XP-Piracy | Aug 22 05:26 |
| FxChiP | In other words, Gates's and Ballmer's dreams have finally come true | Aug 22 05:41 |
| Xarver | FxChiP really? that's interesting twitter :P | Aug 22 06:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Was Never a Problem for OLPC, Claims Technical OLPC Staff http://ping.fm/yxKnq | Aug 22 08:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Drives Customers and Employees to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/w0Cwp | Aug 22 08:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Installing webmin... expecting jokes. | Aug 22 09:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Only one more day of work then two days off....need to get some articles up on my blog! | Aug 22 09:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Windows Mobile Being Replaced by Linux or by Ballnux? http://ping.fm/3A8CB | Aug 22 09:44 | |
| fewa | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/world/americas/21mexico.html | Aug 22 09:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wine 1.1.28 was released yesterday....so busy at work and Im falling behind releases! | Aug 22 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | Reddit, Sears, Grills That Cook Babies... And The Streisand Effect < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090821/0213555950.shtml > | Aug 22 09:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/wTqBbqc7oUY/wikileaks-publishes-1.html | Aug 22 09:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | neonazis are lazy | Aug 22 09:58 |
| schestowitz | No Surprise Here: Pirate Bay Acquisition Falling Apart < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090821/1120015961.shtml > | Aug 22 09:58 |
| schestowitz | BNP had the same thing happen | Aug 22 09:59 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yikes. cocaine and heroin too? | Aug 22 10:00 |
| fewa | Netherlands has had great sucess with such a policy | Aug 22 10:00 |
| fewa | but I am not to aware of the details | Aug 22 10:00 |
| schestowitz | It's like Woodstock, ain't it? | Aug 22 10:00 |
| schestowitz | fewa: well, did well to tourism in Amsterdam | Aug 22 10:01 |
| fewa | research studies has recommended decriminilization for years | Aug 22 10:01 |
| schestowitz | It's a bit like lenient patent policy that the attracts workforce | Aug 22 10:01 |
| fewa | schestowitz, Amsterdam has 1/14th of the nubmer of drug-related deaths (ie overdose, etc) than the US | Aug 22 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Or no policies on pollution and labour treatment | Aug 22 10:01 |
| fewa | per capita | Aug 22 10:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lol....Microsoft's biggest supporter speaks out? (big being the operative word) http://tinyurl.com/kmpf6r #microsoft #windows #vista #xp | Aug 22 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: smoking is a bigger killer (tobacco) | Aug 22 10:02 |
| *schestowitz never did drugs | Aug 22 10:02 | |
| fewa | drug use does hurts the user | Aug 22 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Sure. | Aug 22 10:02 |
| fewa | and is a disease, which should be treated like one | Aug 22 10:02 |
| schestowitz | But they'll do it either way | Aug 22 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Treatment rather than jail time | Aug 22 10:03 |
| fewa | schestowitz, in amsterdam 15% of people have tried pot, in the US 40% | Aug 22 10:03 |
| fewa | seriously | Aug 22 10:03 |
| schestowitz | The jails are overpolutaed | Aug 22 10:03 |
| fewa | decriminilization works | Aug 22 10:03 |
| schestowitz | You can grow GDP by putting people in jail | Aug 22 10:03 |
| fewa | it removes the cool factor | Aug 22 10:03 |
| fewa | ^^^ | Aug 22 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Build more facilitaties | Aug 22 10:03 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't make a better society of economy | Aug 22 10:03 |
| fewa | something I have tried to point out, guess u read that Stigliz vide | Aug 22 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Same with patents. | Aug 22 10:03 |
| schestowitz | The laws should serve environment, economies, society. | Aug 22 10:04 |
| fewa | patents should only be worth money damages | Aug 22 10:04 |
| fewa | exactly | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Green GDP was interesting | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I watched some videos after you had posted a pointer | Aug 22 10:04 |
| fewa | and extremely rational | Aug 22 10:04 |
| fewa | Around here the US sold tons of lumber to Japan | Aug 22 10:04 |
| fewa | and they supposedly are keeping it in their harbors, all tarred up | Aug 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Open Source Textbook Company Now BMOC at 400 Colleges < http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/open-source-textbook-company-now-bmoc-at-400-colleges/ > | Aug 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Copyrights challenged now too ^^ | Aug 22 10:05 |
| fewa | Copyrights is an ineficient business model | Aug 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Depends. | Aug 22 10:06 |
| fewa | Microsoft is the key display of that | Aug 22 10:06 |
| schestowitz | On the facilities to transport txt | Aug 22 10:06 |
| schestowitz | With the Internet a lot changes | Aug 22 10:06 |
| schestowitz | I could not deliver so much information without the Net | Aug 22 10:06 |
| fewa | Yes, _was_ efficient business model | Aug 22 10:06 |
| fewa | before the internet and computers, | Aug 22 10:06 |
| fewa | or even tape players | Aug 22 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Journals (peer review and rigorous processes) or even newspapers are old carriers | Aug 22 10:06 |
| fewa | VHS | Aug 22 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Aug 22 10:07 |
| schestowitz | THeatre | Aug 22 10:07 |
| fewa | but definetely most of all the internet | Aug 22 10:07 |
| schestowitz | We often forget that enactment of stuff used to be physical | Aug 22 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Not it's a mesh of pixels | Aug 22 10:07 |
| fewa | makes copyright, centered around copying, simply _insane_ | Aug 22 10:07 |
| schestowitz | And music is some vibrating drum, not an orchestra | Aug 22 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Briefly: Apple hit with copyright suit, Snow Leopard preorder < http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/21/briefly_apple_hit_with_copyright_suit_snow_leopard_preorder.html > | Aug 22 10:08 |
| schestowitz | Open Science And Closed Science: Aren't Papers Supposed To Be A Part Of The Conversation? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090820/0153145940.shtml > | Aug 22 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | New page: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/User:Schestowitz | Aug 22 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | Craigslist Substantially Expands its Reach < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/21/craigslist-substantially-expands-its-reach > THey chose to stay small profile and simple. THey replace newspapers..... | Aug 22 10:42 |
| schestowitz | More Companies Firing People Over Social Media (Mis)use < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/10/more-companies-firing-people-over-social-media-misuse > | Aug 22 10:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thesidebar.org/insecurity/?p=447 < ASSA CLIQ®, MEDECO LOGIC®, and SECURITY ENGINEERING: A Failure of Imagination . | Aug 22 10:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The 'Darwin Awards' of Terror~1: http://ping.fm/fcRf2 ("The 5 Most Embarrassing Failures in the History of Terrorism") | Aug 22 10:48 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/sears_baby_roaster/ "Sears quickly labeled the cannibal-themed grill a prank that was carried out by someone visiting the company's website." | Aug 22 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/bnp_list_charges/ | Aug 22 10:52 |
| schestowitz | "Two people have today been charged with offences under the Data Protection Act for leaking the BNP's membership list last year." | Aug 22 10:52 |
| schestowitz | "The Dell Workers Committee is bringing a case covering 2,000 workers to Ireland's Labour Court, the Irish Times reports." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/dell_workers/ | Aug 22 10:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oil giants use AstroTurf/lobbies to burn our planet. http://ping.fm/cQ3T4 ("BP and Shell warned to halt campaign against US climate chan ... | Aug 22 10:57 | |
| schestowitz | 1,300 children get lead poisoning from year-old factory in China < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/20/china-children-mass-lead-poisoning > | Aug 22 10:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A glimpse at Grassroots/AstroTurf campaign to keep people ill and uninsured. http://ping.fm/fUEdu | Aug 22 11:00 | |
| schestowitz | "Two firms, Citigroup and Merrill Lynch, suffered massive losses of more than $27 billion at each firm. Nevertheless, Citigroup paid out $5.33 billion in bonuses, and Merrill paid $3.6 billion in bonuses." http://www.prwatch.org/node/8510 | Aug 22 11:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google does with Chrome what Adobe does with Flash -- 64-bit only supported on GNU/Linux. http://ping.fm/5jLnT | Aug 22 11:06 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I like how that describes those as massive losses | Aug 22 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | 27 billion | Aug 22 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Aug 22 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | $27 billion is pocket change for them | Aug 22 11:09 |
| Eruaran | hi | Aug 22 11:10 |
| Eruaran | Is this M$ pocket change ? | Aug 22 11:11 |
| schestowitz | http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2008/12/useful-wireless-connection-commands.html | Aug 22 11:14 |
| Eruaran | hi schestowitz | Aug 22 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Aug 22 11:15 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE gives GNOME the shaft | Aug 22 11:15 |
| schestowitz | So weird | Aug 22 11:15 |
| Eruaran | eh ? | Aug 22 11:15 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/14588/why_opensuse_went_for_kde "But, I've already heard from people screaming about how openSUSE has BETRAYED the GNOME community. Oh please. Get a grip." | Aug 22 11:15 |
| schestowitz | I thought you've heard | Aug 22 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Let's hope Fedora and Debian do the same | Aug 22 11:16 |
| Eruaran | This is the first I've heard | Aug 22 11:16 |
| Eruaran | Been a busy week | Aug 22 11:16 |
| Eruaran | We have a case going before VCAT soon I think | Aug 22 11:16 |
| schestowitz | KDE has great promise. It looks greater, it's built well underneath, and it has no Mono | Aug 22 11:17 |
| Eruaran | Its gold | Aug 22 11:18 |
| schestowitz | I hope OpenSUSE won't be stuffin' it with Mono now | Aug 22 11:18 |
| schestowitz | The guys at Nuremberg rarely touch Mono anyway, so it's probably OK. They sometimes even dump Mono and port to another language. | Aug 22 11:19 |
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| Eruaran | They're only making KDE the default if the user doesn't make a choice | Aug 22 11:52 |
| benJIman | You can write KDE apps in mono with qyoto/kimono. | Aug 22 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | holy crap | Aug 22 12:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im dying here | Aug 22 12:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | 97% humidity outside | Aug 22 12:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its not raining | Aug 22 12:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Huraah! Finally replaced a Dell Optiplex G1 / ipcop with Viglen MPC-L / Ubuntu as my home firewall. Silence and low power - Win! | Aug 22 13:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.hanselman.com/smallestdotnet/ | Aug 22 13:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | lololololol | Aug 22 13:50 |
| cubezzz | it just assumes your windows | Aug 22 13:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wasnt loling at that | Aug 22 13:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was loling at the fact such a thing needs to exist | Aug 22 13:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | java jre = less than 100 megs, does about 10 times more | Aug 22 13:58 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Aug 22 14:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] And now this is the first day of the Holly Month of Ramadan. May Allah accept it from us. | Aug 22 15:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://gizmodo.com/5342388/ahoy-cloned-pirate-bay-site-sets-sail | Aug 22 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | The Pirate Bay was cloned | Aug 22 16:04 |
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| DaemonFC | and all the old torrents are still alive | Aug 22 16:04 |
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| cubezzz | ok, wikipedia doesn't look to great on the ol' zaurus | Aug 22 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | "Two more linux netbooks. Get them before M$ does ;) | Aug 22 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=92 | Aug 22 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16216 " | Aug 22 17:39 |
| schestowitz | "PS. That is in addition to Dell's current claims to offer Ubuntu | Aug 22 17:40 |
| schestowitz | pre-installed: | Aug 22 17:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-10?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs " | Aug 22 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Some people in companies like Red hat collect evidence. There will hopefully be more legal cases like the one in Switzerland. | Aug 22 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | I got a Dreamspark account from Ivy Tech that I didn't ask for | Aug 22 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Academic bribes | Aug 22 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Free tobacco | Aug 22 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Server 2003 and 2008 | Aug 22 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | the rest is stuff they already give out for free I think | Aug 22 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | express editions of a bunch of stuff | Aug 22 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I never saw the darker side of *Spark | Aug 22 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | Robotics Developer Studio | Aug 22 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | what is that? | Aug 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | I have the one about Live@Edu | Aug 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Where they offer sorts of bribes | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | But I don't have documents that show how they scheme to addict kids with DreamSpunk[sic] | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is a loser in rorobotics | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | The toolkits use Linux or some proprrieytary systems | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is stock under a rock. Same as in embedded | Aug 22 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | I went ahead and got a product key for all that stuff | Aug 22 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably just give them to someone | Aug 22 17:49 |
| schestowitz | So it's hoping to addict young men to their bad toys | Aug 22 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is 'donating' keys, eh? | Aug 22 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Must be terribly expensive to them | Aug 22 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I got Enterprise Edition of Windows 2003 Server and Windows 2000 Server | Aug 22 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | errr 2008 | Aug 22 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Google News has been breaking recently | Aug 22 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Each week it gets worse | Aug 22 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Unsored items, truncated headlines now. *ugh* | Aug 22 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | they sell Enterprise Edition for over $1,000 and they just "gave" me a key :P | Aug 22 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | shows you what they can get away with | Aug 22 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Or without | Aug 22 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Server is really overkill for any desktop system anyway | Aug 22 17:52 |
| schestowitz | In 800% o more he world Microsoft will make hardly even a penny | Aug 22 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why they're giving that out | Aug 22 17:52 |
| schestowitz | If there was no Linux, Microsoft could actually CRACK down on illegal use | Aug 22 17:52 |
| schestowitz | But it can't | Aug 22 17:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: giving it to _you_ won't devalue the p[roduct | Aug 22 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | giving it to everybody would | Aug 22 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Had they done that with a business, they would alienate paying lusers | Aug 22 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Bing strikes licensing deal with Wolfram Alpha < http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10315117-265.html > | Aug 22 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Yuck | Aug 22 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | Everyone's So Happy With Google, What's A Bing To Do? < http://www.crn.com/software/219400368;jsessionid=WKOGYASHCVOUJQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVN > | Aug 22 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Are Latest Google Tweaks a Reaction to Microsoft's Bing? < http://seekingalpha.com/article/156288-are-latest-google-tweaks-a-reaction-to-microsoft-s-bing > | Aug 22 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Bong has already lost | Aug 22 17:57 |
| schestowitz | But it has Yahoo! shot in the arm impending | Aug 22 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Cause marketing and dirty tricks alone were not enough | Aug 22 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Number of "Vista" headlines this week: 0 | Aug 22 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Mistake: Microsoft to Backport Windows 7 'ribbon' Interface to Vista < http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/170536/microsoft_to_backport_windows_7_ribbon_interface_to_vista.html > | Aug 22 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned that | Aug 22 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | so DirectX 11, Media Player 12, now the interface | Aug 22 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | what else is there? | Aug 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Bugs galore | Aug 22 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | they've already said they're backporting the only parts of Windows 7 worth mentioning | Aug 22 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | what are they trying to do? convince everyone to stay on Vista? | Aug 22 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Survey: Xbox 360 has 54.2 Percent Failure, 41.2 Percent Second Failure Rates http://www.dailytech.com/Survey+Xbox+360+has+542+Percent+Failure+412+Percent+Second+Failure+Rates/article16038.htm | Aug 22 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Xbox 360 failure rate at 54.2 percent, per Game Informer survey http://www.examiner.com/x-16321-Columbus-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m8d20-Xbox-360-failure-rate-at-542-percent-per-Game-Informer-survey | Aug 22 18:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | why didnt they just make a new 360 with more powerful fans | Aug 22 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX 11 backport was obvious, they shot DirectX 10 in the foot by not porting it to XP | Aug 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Magazine Survey Finds 54.2% Xbox 360 Failure Rate Among Readers http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24917 | Aug 22 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | they're still trying to get everyone off the 8 year old version of DirectX now | Aug 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Analyst believes an Xbox 360 Slim is inevitable http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-believes-an-xbox-360-slim-is-inevitable-145441.phtml | Aug 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | "Believes"... | Aug 22 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | probably don't want to limit the DirectX 11 update | Aug 22 18:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | a 360 slim is impossible | Aug 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | But the brand and perceptions tarnish it | Aug 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | XBox360=error | Aug 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | RRoD | Aug 22 18:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | not until microsoft LEARNS HOW TO GODDAMNED DESIGN HARDWARE | Aug 22 18:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not hard! | Aug 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | It was hasty | Aug 22 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | a 360 slim would be possible | Aug 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Some guys in Japan spoke about it last year | Aug 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | It was bad design | Aug 22 18:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: yes, if you use 15krpm 40mm fans. | Aug 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | A professional dissecred i | Aug 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Heat sink was all bad | Aug 22 18:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and include ear plugs | Aug 22 18:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: its not even that | Aug 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Figures of failures go back to 06/07 | Aug 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's army of shills denied it | Aug 22 18:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | the whole design is wrong | Aug 22 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont use custom fucking hardware in something you want cheap | Aug 22 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | they actually had it right the first time | Aug 22 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | use x86 | Aug 22 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | the reason the PS3 was gigantic was because they needed all that space for the PS2 chipset and the power supply | Aug 22 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | they got it smaller by sacrificing all their backwards compatibility | Aug 22 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: except you're wrong there | Aug 22 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ps2 "chipset" was essentially the ps3's southbridge | Aug 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Increases the Price of Xbox 360 Arcade in the UK. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20090818112752_Microsoft_Increases_the_Price_of_Xbox_360_Arcade_in_the_UK.html | Aug 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, that'll save them | Aug 22 18:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | the slim cans ps2 support because they dont need it anymore (and it never worked right anyhow) | Aug 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Oh no. We're behind. Let's raise the price | Aug 22 18:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, when microsoft wants to be profitable, they can hire me | Aug 22 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | of course it never worked right because quite a bit of it was software emulation anyway | Aug 22 18:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: yup, and unlike nintendo, they didnt hire someone who knew how to do it | Aug 22 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | they had to emulate the PS1 chipset in software, and a lot of PS2 titles used that for various things too | Aug 22 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft yank Xbox 360 Elite bundled HD cables http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-yank-xbox-360-elite-bundled-hd-cables-1852689/ | Aug 22 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | protip: the wii gamecube emulation was written and designed by someone who already wrote a popular and fully functioning gamecube emulator | Aug 22 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | Nintendo consoles are easy to software emulate | Aug 22 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the emulation was even easier since they didnt change the cpu | Aug 22 18:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're both ppc | Aug 22 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | there were a handful of N64 titles that can't easily be emulated | Aug 22 18:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: nope | Aug 22 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | you'll never see Star Wars: Rogue Squadron on the Wii | Aug 22 18:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive played rogue squadron in an emulator | Aug 22 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | it had an add-on shipset in the cartridge | Aug 22 18:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | which can be emulated. | Aug 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | it'll be garbled and unplayable | Aug 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | I've tried it | Aug 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | not only that, it needs the RAM expansion add-on, that is easy to support though | Aug 22 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Motorola Mobile Devices ditches Microsoft Office for Google Apps http://www.intomobile.com/2009/08/21/motorola-mobile-devices-ditches-microsoft-office-for-google-apps.html | Aug 22 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | the N64 hardware itself was nowhere near up to that title | Aug 22 18:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: the biggest change was the 3D stack | Aug 22 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | well, Nintendo would have a better chance of getting that working than just a bunch of people reverse engineering the system | Aug 22 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | nintendo hires those people | Aug 22 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | they hired a few notables for the n64 emulator of theirs too | Aug 22 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: and btw, Im not aware of any extra chip in that cart | Aug 22 18:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | you may be referring to the fact factor 5 loves to use their own custom microcode for the GPU | Aug 22 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | that was the explanation I got when I asked them | Aug 22 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | oh, maybe I just remembered it wrong, but there was something odd about that cartridge | Aug 22 18:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | some emus wont use custom microcodes and use an emulation of nintendo's default | Aug 22 18:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | they wont play certain games | Aug 22 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Here is why Microsoft will try to hurt Zimbra, http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=54209 (Google chips away at office workers' strong Microsoft Outlook bonds) | Aug 22 18:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: go look at the battle for naboo | Aug 22 18:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a really shitty game, but it takes the n64 hardware as far as it'll go | Aug 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Google and Microsoft: The Battle Over College E-Mail < http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1915112,00.html > Colleges must manage their OWN mail | Aug 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the graphics were a lot better than the N64 could usualyl put out | Aug 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | whoever did that engine was good | Aug 22 18:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, it uses a very very custom firmware | Aug 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | the N64 is really a testimony to RISC if you ask me | Aug 22 18:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | er sorry, microcode | Aug 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | that CPU was only running at 90 Mhz, right? | Aug 22 18:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | it could be running 9, mhz isnt a measurement of performance | Aug 22 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | low power requirements | Aug 22 18:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the cpu is strange | Aug 22 18:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually the whole thing is strange | Aug 22 18:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a SGI workstation in the guise of a game system | Aug 22 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | everything Nintendo does is strange | Aug 22 18:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats really neat though? | Aug 22 18:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | game devs back then used sgi machines | Aug 22 18:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you had a lot of game devs quickly banging out code and not running it on n64s | Aug 22 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | reminds me of when Microsoft bought a truckload of Power Mac G5s | Aug 22 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | as the dev kit for the XBOX 360 | Aug 22 18:27 |
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| Diablo-D3 | no no | Aug 22 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait, was it? | Aug 22 18:27 |
| seller_liar | hey roy | Aug 22 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: when was the time they bought a bunch of dells as game dev machines? | Aug 22 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, a MS employee got a picture of a few dozen PowerMac Dual G5s in Microsoft's loading bay | Aug 22 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: oh dude | Aug 22 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | got fired for posting it | Aug 22 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the wrong thing | Aug 22 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | that was for their advertising department | Aug 22 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | since adobe software sucks on windows | Aug 22 18:28 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: are you here | Aug 22 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Apple tops annual customer satisfaction survey, but lead shrinks http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=2D57AF5D-1A64-67EA-E4A6E8A9DF2FEB57 | Aug 22 18:28 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes | Aug 22 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | seller_liar: hes here somewhere | Aug 22 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Why do yuo want what plugin BTW | Aug 22 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, they also faked the XBOX 360 at the consumer electronics show | Aug 22 18:28 |
| schestowitz | MediaWiki? | Aug 22 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | cause they didn't even have any at that point | Aug 22 18:28 |
| schestowitz | We already have categories | Aug 22 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | they were running Need For Speed: Most Wanted on a PowerMac | Aug 22 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I wish idiots would design a good piece of hardware though | Aug 22 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | they had an XBOX 360 case that was empty spare the green LEDs | Aug 22 18:28 |
| seller_liar | semantic wiki helps to organize court ehxibists better | Aug 22 18:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: like, I'd easily take an off the shelf AMD Fusion platform and build a game console out of it | Aug 22 18:29 |
| seller_liar | the plugin does not alter nothing and it's gpl | Aug 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: explain, please | Aug 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I looked it up | Aug 22 18:29 |
| seller_liar | it only creates a new database | Aug 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I'd love to know what it offers | Aug 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz | What type of access to DB | Aug 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz | The Wiki too is a DB | Aug 22 18:29 |
| seller_liar | Semantic connects ehxibits with other ehxibits in a easy way | Aug 22 18:29 |
| seller_liar | it only creates a new database | Aug 22 18:30 |
| seller_liar | it does not alter wiki databse | Aug 22 18:30 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Special:AllPages | Aug 22 18:30 |
| seller_liar | are you using mysql? | Aug 22 18:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: fusion is a really nice platform, btw | Aug 22 18:30 |
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| DaemonFC | I was considering geting one of those System76 Net Top things | Aug 22 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | the one with the Nvidia Geforce 9400M | Aug 22 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: K10 plugged into a Radeon via hypertransport, and the Radeon uses a HT memory controller and uses the system ram | Aug 22 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | would make a decent low profile computer for the bedroom | Aug 22 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: ugh, the atom+ion boxes suck | Aug 22 18:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're much better than the atom+945 boxes, but are still too slow for the price | Aug 22 18:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can build an AMD AM3 system thats cheaper and uses only a little bit more power | Aug 22 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'd like to find something like that with a Core2 CPU at least | Aug 22 18:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and is like 10 times more powerful | Aug 22 18:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103698 | Aug 22 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128397 | Aug 22 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148194 | Aug 22 18:33 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: I think it helps to organize information even more and helps user to learn about ehxibits | Aug 22 18:33 |
| schestowitz | CNET is still advertising turd. http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12519_7-10312568-49.html | Aug 22 18:33 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, mysql | Aug 22 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: that whole thing uses about 50 watts. the n300 atom+ion boxes use 25 | Aug 22 18:33 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: it's already organised in a way | Aug 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Please help us | Aug 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | You can add info | Aug 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Add categories | Aug 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I'll show you.. | Aug 22 18:34 |
| seller_liar | OK, I will trry | Aug 22 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Here we have Java exhibits: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Sun | Aug 22 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Now, here's eht thing | Aug 22 18:35 |
| seller_liar | but i think using semantic wiki plugin helps a lot! | Aug 22 18:35 |
| schestowitz | We need to link to posts about Java | Aug 22 18:35 |
| seller_liar | and it s not hard to install | Aug 22 18:35 |
| seller_liar | links from 1997? | Aug 22 18:36 |
| seller_liar | about java ? | Aug 22 18:36 |
| seller_liar | have you tried webarchive? | Aug 22 18:36 |
| schestowitz | It would be valuable to go thought the Java posts here and adding ttem to the Wiki, as links: http://boycottnovell.com/category/java/ | Aug 22 18:36 |
| schestowitz | This way we put all the Java stuff in one place | Aug 22 18:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: that whole ring is about 5 times more powerful | Aug 22 18:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688 | Aug 22 18:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: put that CPU in, and its even more powerful | Aug 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | We also need tagging, seller_liar | Aug 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Java&action=edit&redlink=1 | Aug 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | See this page | Aug 22 18:37 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: you should put something promoting Audacity for audio .... the 1.3.8 beta is VERY nice. | Aug 22 18:37 |
| Balrog | we did a radio show with it. | Aug 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/A_good_tactic_to_tie_java_developers_to_windows with categories | Aug 22 18:38 |
| schestowitz | We need to add to all pages (at the start): "[[Category:Java]] | Aug 22 18:38 |
| schestowitz | [[Category:Lock-in]] | Aug 22 18:38 |
| schestowitz | [[Category:Sun]] | Aug 22 18:38 |
| schestowitz | [[Category:Programming]]" | Aug 22 18:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: just change your template then | Aug 22 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I used Audacity. It's installed here | Aug 22 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no, only for particular pages | Aug 22 18:39 |
| schestowitz | So they they show up here: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Java&action=edit&redlink=1 | Aug 22 18:39 |
| Balrog | ook. | Aug 22 18:39 |
| seller_liar | but all pages are tagged with java | Aug 22 18:41 |
| seller_liar | I don t uniderstand , can you explain again? | Aug 22 18:43 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: in the Sun page, look at the exhbits | Aug 22 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Some of the page there don't have categories. | Aug 22 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Each depends on the exhibits, but they share "Java" in common | Aug 22 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Because they are under the same 'level' | Aug 22 18:48 |
| schestowitz | But there are other levels like "development" that talk about Java | Aug 22 18:48 |
| seller_liar | ok , understood | Aug 22 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Basically, if you browse through the exhibits and label then, then they show up in categories together | Aug 22 18:49 |
| schestowitz | It makes a strong resource for smoking guns already | Aug 22 18:49 |
| schestowitz | based on topic | Aug 22 18:49 |
| schestowitz | And then... | Aug 22 18:49 |
| schestowitz | You and I can link to external articles that add information | Aug 22 18:49 |
| schestowitz | We need to create one big Index page for information about Mono and Moonlight | Aug 22 18:50 |
| schestowitz | It is an awe-some task | Aug 22 18:50 |
| schestowitz | BN alone has like 500 posts on the subject | Aug 22 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | someone shoved the Criticism section of the Internet Explorer article to "Criticism of Internet Explorer" then deleted the Ciriticism of Internet Explorer article | Aug 22 18:52 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if this is why schestowitz likes Wikipedia | Aug 22 18:52 | |
| DaemonFC | *criticism | Aug 22 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft denied plans to do ebooks and apparently it lied. http://www.pcworld.com/article/170421/cht_microsoft_htc_team_up_for_chinese_ebook_market.html | Aug 22 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | then stuffed the Criticism of Windows XP article full of rebuttals by linking to CNet and Paul Thurrott | Aug 22 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft? Lie? Nooooooooo. | Aug 22 18:55 |
| Balrog | url? | Aug 22 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | I just whacked a good piece of fluff from the Criticism of Windows XP article | Aug 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz | it's like the ACPI censorship | Aug 22 18:56 |
| seller_liar | hey roy , can give the link about criticism of mozilla about integration o internet explorer? | Aug 22 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_Windows_XP&diff=309459904&oldid=304727674 | Aug 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: I was gonna write | Aug 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: I was gonna write one about it | Aug 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz | There are Microsoft people attacking Mozilla one | Aug 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Like they tried to "Boycott Opera" | Aug 22 18:57 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/20/mozilla-reactionary-regulation/ | Aug 22 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | Paul THurrott: "I'd recommend a boycott of Opera if I thought anyone was actually USING the damned thing" | Aug 22 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, like that you mean? | Aug 22 18:57 |
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| seller_liar | thanks! | Aug 22 18:57 |
| Omar87 | hi all | Aug 22 18:57 |
| Balrog | hi Omar87 | Aug 22 18:58 |
| seller_liar | it is correct | Aug 22 18:58 |
| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/We_have_to_avoid_pure_JAVA_applications | Aug 22 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I still prefer Jamie Zawinski. "Every program expands until it can send email" | Aug 22 18:58 |
| seller_liar | I have added two new tags and a like on bottom of page | Aug 22 18:58 |
| seller_liar | I have added two new tags and a link on bottom of page | Aug 22 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I have my own: "Every Windows program must insert three sets of shortcuts to itself and run on system startup" | Aug 22 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | you cannot keep your desktop clean fast enough, almsot every XP user has at least 50 icons on their desktop, it keeps going til they're out of desktop area nad can't find anything they installed anyway | Aug 22 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | *and | Aug 22 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Heh. FTC="Farmers Telephone Cooperative " http://microsoft-news.tmcnet.com/microsoft/articles/62224-ftc-selects-etis-triad-integrate-microsoft-mediaroom.htm | Aug 22 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I thought the FTC was in bed with Ballmer again | Aug 22 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | then the stupid Desktop Cleanup Wizard tries to run every 60 days and tries to clean up icons it doesn't think you're using | Aug 22 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Majoras | Aug 22 19:02 |
| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=We_have_to_avoid_pure_JAVA_applications&action=edit | Aug 22 19:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: is that a real THurrott: quote? | Aug 22 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | desktop icons that don't lead to something important should not be allowed | Aug 22 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, yes | Aug 22 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Aug 22 19:02 |
| seller_liar | hey roy look if I am doing correct | Aug 22 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Thurrott that is, :P | Aug 22 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'll see if I can pull it up | Aug 22 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/microsoft_caves.asp | Aug 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: that's perfect | Aug 22 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | oh that's not it | Aug 22 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | hang on | Aug 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | It builds up category pages and makes it easier to use | Aug 22 19:04 |
| seller_liar | thanks! | Aug 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Also see http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/DoJ_vs_Microsoft | Aug 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Someone helped me by sending in the ODF | Aug 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | it's an index of the smoking guns | Aug 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Microsoft_Staff_Aliases | Aug 22 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with finding things on his site is that you're waste deep in bullshit the moment you load it | Aug 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | I need to add many more when I get around to it | Aug 22 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | I had an entire page of Thurrott gems including when he's later come back and contradicted himself | Aug 22 19:06 |
| schestowitz | He mentioned BN some months ago | Aug 22 19:08 |
| schestowitz | In his arrogant way | Aug 22 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | he also predicts every MS product will take over the world just because it's bundled in Windows | Aug 22 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | like Windows Media | Aug 22 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | bundling things with Windows doesn't mean anyone actually uses those things, it just means that Vista is 10 times the size of XP and all you can do is delete the icons to the foistware you don't use | Aug 22 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | they were trying to take the "Windows is a platform for applications" thing and turn it into "It's a platform where everybody uses whatever we put there without an uninstaller" | Aug 22 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has just hired a new shill. Industry Moves: Microsoft Hires A Former Adobe Flash Evangelist To Pitch Silverlight < http://paidcontent.org/article/419-industry-moves-microsoft-hires-a-former-adobe-flash-evangelist-to-pitch/ > | Aug 22 19:12 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: do you have some links about microsoft using patents against java? | Aug 22 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm kind of surprised Silverlight isn't piggybacking on Windows 7 by default | Aug 22 19:13 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: none that I know of | Aug 22 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is still pushing their latest stuff on XP even though it's supposedly not even in support anymore | Aug 22 19:14 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: or against sun | Aug 22 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Silverlight 3 still shows up as an optional component in Windows Update on XP | Aug 22 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | my guess is that Microsoft would have better luck stopping the bleeding if they included some way of blocking ads, but they'll never do it because they sell ads | Aug 22 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | same reason there's no ability to do that in Chrome or Safari | Aug 22 19:15 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, hold on | Aug 22 19:18 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/10/bill-gates-patents-vs-free-office/ | Aug 22 19:19 |
| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Ben_Slivka:_how_do_we_wrest_control_of_Java_away_from_Sun#Snippet | Aug 22 19:19 |
| seller_liar | I 'm trying to link aliases in aliases page , but it 's not working | Aug 22 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ben_Slivka:_how_do_we_wrest_control_of_Java_away_from_Sun&action=history | Aug 22 19:19 |
| seller_liar | thanks for the link | Aug 22 19:19 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: cross link? | Aug 22 19:19 |
| schestowitz | [[THE PAGE]] | Aug 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | For external: | Aug 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | [EXTERNAL LINK] | Aug 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | [[Microsoft Staff Aliases]] | Aug 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | or [http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Microsoft_Staff_Aliases Microsoft Staff Aliases] | Aug 22 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | damn | Aug 22 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Thurrott tells the truth: http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/08/20/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-54-2-percent.aspx | Aug 22 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | "Actually, I'm surprised it's not higher. I've had at least 6 Xbox 360s Red Ring on me." | Aug 22 19:22 |
| seller_liar | finished | Aug 22 19:24 |
| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Ben_Slivka:_how_do_we_wrest_control_of_Java_away_from_Sun#Snippet | Aug 22 19:24 |
| seller_liar | look at paulma link | Aug 22 19:24 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/22/veterans.affairs.bonuses/index.html?iref=topnews | Aug 22 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | While hundreds of thousands of disability claims lay backlogged at the Department of Veterans Affairs, thousands of technology employees at the department received $24 million in bonuses, a new report says. | Aug 22 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you get when you get your leg blown off in combat, you get to spend 2 years fighting the government for maybe $1,000-$1,500 a month in disability while they pass out $75,000 bonuses to their IT department | Aug 22 19:32 |
| Eruaran | Is there a MSFT angle here ? | Aug 22 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | "President Obama has told Congress it is a priority to reduce the number of backlogged claims at the VA, where claims are coming in at a faster rate than they can be processed." | Aug 22 19:33 |
| Eruaran | What do IT staff get paid "bonuses" for anyway ? | Aug 22 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently his $4,500 bribe for new car buyers took priority to hiring more people to process veterans disability claims | Aug 22 19:34 |
| Eruaran | You do your job, you get paid... I don't understand what this "bonuses" thing is... | Aug 22 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | cushy government job | Aug 22 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | sit at your desk 9-5 Mon-Fri | Aug 22 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | the bonuses must be for doign such a great job not processing the disability claims | Aug 22 19:34 |
| Eruaran | Sounds like our immigration department | Aug 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's higher | Aug 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | 66% some say | Aug 22 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | probably their share of all the money they saved by boning disabled soldiers | Aug 22 19:35 |
| Eruaran | Our taxes pay immigration officers, and immigrants pay high prices for permanent residency... and it takes months for anything to happen | Aug 22 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | no they don't, they hop the fence and enroll their kids in our schools | Aug 22 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | get food stamps | Aug 22 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | use the emergency room as their doctor | Aug 22 19:36 |
| Eruaran | There's no fence to hop here | Aug 22 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | 50 of them live in one house | Aug 22 19:36 |
| Eruaran | You'll need a boat | Aug 22 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.mojvideo.com/video-family-guy-mexican-superfriends/a319f71edc53fe5abecd | Aug 22 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | Would that be Batmanuel? | Aug 22 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | will anyone buy at a Microsoft Store? | Aug 22 19:40 |
| schestowitz | This thing can take them out of business very fast | Aug 22 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm, possible | Aug 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | And lead companies like Dell to selling more Linux | Aug 22 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | people do stupid things all the time | Aug 22 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | I could see them starting out putting a Microsoft Store next to every Apple Store | Aug 22 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | and then branching out to where there aren't any Apple Stores, like where the average income is less than $100,000 a year | Aug 22 19:42 |
| Eruaran | What are they going to sell ? | Aug 22 19:42 |
| Eruaran | Zunes ? | Aug 22 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | have you ever seen an Apple Store in a middle class area? | Aug 22 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't | Aug 22 19:42 |
| schestowitz | LOL. Microsoft Ribbon-izes The MSN Toolbar < http://www.crn.com/software/219401043;jsessionid=2MLGZVDKGRYZZQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVN ? | Aug 22 19:42 |
| Eruaran | They don't have established brand products like Apple | Aug 22 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | they have better | Aug 22 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | they have Walmart | Aug 22 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | you go into a Walmart, there are no Apple computers, the only reason they have iPods is because those work with Windows PCs | Aug 22 19:43 |
| schestowitz | They can... wait for it.... | Aug 22 19:43 |
| schestowitz | BUNDLE with Windows! | Aug 22 19:43 |
| schestowitz | They are good at it | Aug 22 19:43 |
| schestowitz | They could force people to buy windows with their new computers! | Aug 22 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Gunius. | Aug 22 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | Apple will always be a niche as long as they only really sell to the over-$1000 PC market | Aug 22 19:44 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: I've seen Apple-authorized shops | Aug 22 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | so have I | Aug 22 19:44 |
| schestowitz | There are some here | Aug 22 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | you get ripped off even worse there and there's like 3 models | Aug 22 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Kind crummy | Aug 22 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Kinda... just.. | Aug 22 19:44 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: I wouldn't agree on that part ... I've seen some expensive PCs | Aug 22 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJSuduTrPs | Aug 22 19:45 |
| Balrog | and build quality of most laptops .... don't get me started | Aug 22 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Where seller_liar lives many PCs are sold with Linux | Aug 22 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MOST of them | Aug 22 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but there are no Macs with comparable hardware to a PC that are under $1,000 | Aug 22 19:45 |
| Eruaran | Apple's build quality on their notebooks is premium | Aug 22 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Aug 22 19:45 |
| Balrog | Eruaran is right. | Aug 22 19:46 |
| Eruaran | we service them | Aug 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | they're built by Foxconn by workers in China that get beaten and killed | Aug 22 19:46 |
| Balrog | I've seen REALLY badly beat up Dell and HP laptops | Aug 22 19:46 |
| Eruaran | its always nice to open up a mac | Aug 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | and paid 20 cents an hour | Aug 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | quality from Apple is garbage | Aug 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | same as a cheap PC | Aug 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | They got bad reviews for hardware | Aug 22 19:46 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: if you're talking about an early iBook, then yes | Aug 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | If these have any validity, Mac hardware is mediocre | Aug 22 19:46 |
| Balrog | the current ones are very nice though | Aug 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Yet hyped up | Aug 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | not talking early ibook | Aug 22 19:46 |
| Eruaran | thats like saying the quality of Fujitsu notebooks is garbage | Aug 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I;'ve seen many broken Macs | Aug 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | all Apple products are made by slave labor | Aug 22 19:46 |
| Eruaran | both premium brands | Aug 22 19:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not just Apple's | Aug 22 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | the brand may be premiumly priced | Aug 22 19:47 |
| schestowitz | It's a worldwide illness | Aug 22 19:47 |
| Balrog | so have I. though those have been either old, or abused ..... | Aug 22 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | it all rolls off the same slave labor lines | Aug 22 19:47 |
| Eruaran | I've seen many broken macs too... but thats my job | Aug 22 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Where ""Good" = "good for business" | Aug 22 19:47 |
| Eruaran | Ive been many broken HP's | Aug 22 19:47 |
| Balrog | yes, that's a BIG issue. Even when you build a computer, where are parts coming from? | Aug 22 19:47 |
| schestowitz | So to seek the most exploitable labour is "to be a good capitalist" | Aug 22 19:47 |
| Eruaran | And broken Sony's | Aug 22 19:47 |
| schestowitz | They share the same components | Aug 22 19:48 |
| Balrog | if you think Apple is overpriced, take a look at Sony. :X | Aug 22 19:48 |
| Eruaran | Dell buys cheap | Aug 22 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, like I said, all rolls off the same slave labor lines, maybe the overall design of a Walmart-sold HP PC isn't as good as a Mac | Aug 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Thinpads use Hitachi HDDs | Aug 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Thinkpads | Aug 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | What does Apple use? | Aug 22 19:48 |
| Eruaran | Lets put it this way | Aug 22 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | but they're all build by slaves | Aug 22 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | *built | Aug 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | They all come from the same factories | Aug 22 19:48 |
| Eruaran | When you buy an Asus motherboard, lets call it model X | Aug 22 19:48 |
| Eruaran | That's what you get | Aug 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Just wrapped up differently like candy in colours... with different acids for tastes | Aug 22 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | When the Nazi war effort relaly got going they used Jewish slaves in their munitions factories | Aug 22 19:48 |
| Eruaran | Now, when you buy a HP that allegedly has Asus model X motherboard | Aug 22 19:49 |
| Balrog | I don't know about the most recent desktops, but in 2008 Mac Pros and iMacs were still made in the USA | Aug 22 19:49 |
| Eruaran | Its not the same parts | Aug 22 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | got to where 1 in 3 shells wouldn't fire | Aug 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you mean wage-slaves | Aug 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Sweatshops | Aug 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | No chains and rifle | Aug 22 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | would you do a good job for someone that was exploiting you to death? | Aug 22 19:49 |
| Eruaran | HP goes to Asus and says, we want this mobo but cheaper | Aug 22 19:49 |
| Balrog | this 2008 Mac uses a Hitachi drive; some newer ones use Seagate | Aug 22 19:49 |
| Eruaran | So Asus buys the 2 cent caps from China instead of the 30 cent ones from Japan to make the same mobo | Aug 22 19:49 |
| Eruaran | HP gets the motherboards, unbranded | Aug 22 19:50 |
| Eruaran | Its a shit motherboard | Aug 22 19:50 |
| Balrog | obviously. | Aug 22 19:50 |
| Eruaran | but the specs look the same on paper | Aug 22 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | if a tank shell wouldn't fire, it meant they had to unload it and load a new one in, that leaves them vulnerable and unable to fire for over 2 minutes | Aug 22 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | which was kind of the idea behind the sabotage | Aug 22 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | the Chinese plants track defective products back to the workers that made them | Aug 22 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | if enough of them fail, they take the workers out back and shoot them | Aug 22 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | in the case of the Foxconn employee that lost a prototype iPhone 4G, he was jsut harassed and severely beaten until he committed suicide | Aug 22 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | they probably weren't jsut going to stop where they did, they probably gave him like a day to find it before they went after his family | Aug 22 19:52 |
| Balrog | later they said he was known to leak stuff before. | Aug 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | he must have felt pretty scared of something to kill himself | Aug 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | course they did | Aug 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | you mean the PR people | Aug 22 19:52 |
| Balrog | If that was really the case they should have just fired him earlier | Aug 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | paint him as an unstable employee | Aug 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | after he's not around to defend himself | Aug 22 19:52 |
| Balrog | yeah. you don't keep unstable employees around...there's something wrong with that picture | Aug 22 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | he's dead, they can call him every name in the book now to make their case that they did nothing wrong | Aug 22 19:53 |
| Balrog | obviously | Aug 22 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | you're right, you don't keep an employee around that long if all they are is a total screwup | Aug 22 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | which shows they are lying | Aug 22 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Stupid PR from IDG (don't they see it's a stunt?) Microsoft urges feds to power down PCs < http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/081909-microsoft-power-down.html > | Aug 22 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Power it down so that Chinese hackers don't play with it while you're gone | Aug 22 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 22 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | it looks bad on us when that happens | Aug 22 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows 7 diagnostics they keep bragging about don't actually work any better than Windows 2000 diagnostics | Aug 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | especially the network ones | Aug 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Nelson points to a Natural Resources Defense Council report that says the power management settings in Vista would save customers around $50 per year in energy usage." | Aug 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | lie. Vista literally causes global warming | Aug 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | they replaced the shutdown button with a Sleep (low power mode) button | Aug 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | the system is still on, it just shuts the hard disk and stuff down and idles the CPU | Aug 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's still takign in at least 50 watts | Aug 22 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | so how do you shut your machine off? | Aug 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | sleep wasn't really meant for desktops, it was meant for laptops for when you shit the lid and carry them somewhere | Aug 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft worldwide sales manager buys in Bellevue < http://seattle.blockshopper.com/news/story/700033490-Microsoft_worldwide_sales_manager_buys_in_Bellevue > | Aug 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Vista uses it because it takes well over 1.5 minutes to power it on from scratch | Aug 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Vista shoved the Shut Off buttom into an embedded menu | Aug 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | If they want security, they should install another OS | Aug 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | the power off button that you see just puts it in sleep mode | Aug 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has been flogging the whole "shut down the PC for security" for years now | Aug 22 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow, I wonder how many people have fucked up their machine that way | Aug 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | "Security by obscurity" and "Security by shutdown" *LOL* | Aug 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | these 20 second cold boot targets in Linux distros will pretty much eliminate the need for Sleep | Aug 22 20:01 |
| Balrog | Sleep ... works very well on Mac desktops | Aug 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | How about designing stuff to be secure? | Aug 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | especially when everything goes SSD and you shave another 5-6 seconds off | Aug 22 20:02 |
| Balrog | and with Linux, in most cases; though hardware support often sucks. | Aug 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Restoring sesssion is stil needed for advanced users | Aug 22 20:02 |
| *Diablo-D3 would like to go to SSD | Aug 22 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | KDE does that fortunately | Aug 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | To an extent | Aug 22 20:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I'd need 512gb SSDs for that | Aug 22 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, look at it this way, it takes about 7-8 seconds for an OS to wake the system up | Aug 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | THis machine I use has been switched on for over a year | Aug 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | The one at work has been on since 2004 or so | Aug 22 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | if it takes 15 seconds to boot Fedora 12 from SSD, who will use sleep? | Aug 22 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ye gods | Aug 22 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Except the hard-drive failure | Aug 22 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I needed to open it up | Aug 22 20:03 |
| schestowitz | 2007 | Aug 22 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Sleep and Hibernate were a Microsoft thing to begin with because it takes so long to bring Windows up from a cold start | Aug 22 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's always taken at least twice as long to boot into Windows than into Linux | Aug 22 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Vista Foxed Everything(R) | Aug 22 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | nobody used APM | Aug 22 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | it was even more unreliable than ACPI | Aug 22 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | Windows doesn't even support it anymore | Aug 22 20:05 |
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| DaemonFC | they'll tell you APM was dropped with Vista, but it was really dropped in XP x64 and Windows Server 2003 | Aug 22 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think you can still use it in Linux but I've never seen an APM-aware distro kernel since 2.6 | Aug 22 20:07 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: Sleep was present in the first PowerBooks | Aug 22 20:07 |
| Balrog | Apple introduced it in the mid-90s but it wasn't "real" until the G3 and G4 | Aug 22 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they still sucked down a lot of power | Aug 22 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | all it did was blank the screen and park the hard disk | Aug 22 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | pfft | Aug 22 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Play.com breaks Microsoft's NDA embargo < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529613/play-com-breaks-microsoft-nda-embargo > | Aug 22 20:08 |
| Balrog | the PowerBook sleep *was* real | Aug 22 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | "Update: It now appears Microsoft was at fault for getting Play.com in trouble. Vole central dispatched the advert to the online retailer without telling them to keep schtum until September 9th, according to a Play.com spokesperson." | Aug 22 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Aug 22 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | so much for a lawsuit | Aug 22 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | right hand doesn't know what the left foot is doing | Aug 22 20:12 |
| Balrog | hahaha | Aug 22 20:13 |
| Balrog | obviously | Aug 22 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Tech Q and A: The Dreaded Blue Screen of Death < http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540321,00.html > The Fox 'News' Web site is still very ugly and illegible | Aug 22 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Fox News viewers can read? | Aug 22 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna make a joke about that | Aug 22 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | quick! we must shoot the ones that figured out how before they treach their kids! | Aug 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz | They can put more pictures there | Aug 22 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | *teach | Aug 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Glen Beck with a pistol posing | Aug 22 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | well, if you can teach a gorilla how to sign | Aug 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz | yeah. | Aug 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Gorillas are smart | Aug 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Compared to Fox anyway | Aug 22 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | didn't they suspend Glenn Beck under the guise of a vacation? | Aug 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Dunno | Aug 22 20:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: yeah | Aug 22 20:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | they bought him from cnn | Aug 22 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then actually watched his show | Aug 22 20:15 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Aug 22 20:15 |
| schestowitz | He was in Radio | Aug 22 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | morons | Aug 22 20:15 |
| schestowitz | CNN has other lackeys like Wolf | Aug 22 20:15 |
| schestowitz | And oh! Richard Quest | Aug 22 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: fox bought the radio network glenn beck was on | Aug 22 20:15 |
| schestowitz | what an utter arsehole | Aug 22 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | so fox made a deal with cnn to move the show to fox | Aug 22 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | so they inherited him? | Aug 22 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: basically | Aug 22 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Glenn Beck is like having a mummy's curse? | Aug 22 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | glenn doesnt care what tv network he airs on | Aug 22 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 22 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the problem is, hes not a "talking head" | Aug 22 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | he shits in everyone's cheeriohs | Aug 22 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | including republicans | Aug 22 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | so fox cant actually air his shit once they realized what he does | Aug 22 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes like the colbert report | Aug 22 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | so I actually respect him a tad | Aug 22 20:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | fox cant have anyone who doesnt tow the company line | Aug 22 20:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | cnn doesnt care since they profit from both sides | Aug 22 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | the Colbert Report is actually funny | Aug 22 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the colbert report is a talking head version of the daily show | Aug 22 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | Glenn Beck is jsut a racist and reports less news than Colbert | Aug 22 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | glenn beck doesnt report the news | Aug 22 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and hes not a racist | Aug 22 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | he doesnt actually believe anything he says | Aug 22 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | he just attacks everybody | Aug 22 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen him attack Bush | Aug 22 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have | Aug 22 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Fox News wouldn't allow that anyway | Aug 22 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | they didnt | Aug 22 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | thus they fired him | Aug 22 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | since he did it anyways | Aug 22 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats really weird is he has/had a segment on bill oreilly's show | Aug 22 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | and he loves to make fun of bill | Aug 22 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | so they fired him, he got a radio show, they bought the network, they bought his contract, and he's back | Aug 22 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | or what? | Aug 22 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: wrong direction | Aug 22 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | he got a radio show, he got a show on cnn, fox bought the radio network, fox moved his cnn show to fox, THEN basically fired him | Aug 22 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats really awesome is everyone refused to advertise on his program on Fox | Aug 22 20:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin: Joe Wilcox has found a new place to advertise his beloved Microsoft. http://ping.fm/qaCi6 | Aug 22 20:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: like, people say hes a racist because he called obama a racist then several minutes later said he didnt think he was | Aug 22 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | except at the time he said this, he was in Glenn Beck mode | Aug 22 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | and was purposely shitting in Fox News' cereal | Aug 22 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is probably why hes been fired | Aug 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Aug 22 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont agree with what he says, but what he says is purposely made up to make people angry purely to make people like bill orielly look like fools | Aug 22 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes exactly like the daily show and the colbert report in that respect | Aug 22 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a comedian who people take seriously | Aug 22 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just dont market his program like that | Aug 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | "PPS. As of Wednesday, the ARM-based Linux netbook is finally | Aug 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | shipping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Aug 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/company/news.htm " | Aug 22 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they're too afraid of him actually making sense and putting cnn and fox out of buisness | Aug 22 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: sweeeeeeeeet | Aug 22 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | do want | Aug 22 20:27 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: maybe a good replacement for a PDA | Aug 22 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: glenn beck would make a great modern political blogger | Aug 22 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | you mean like Hal Turner? :P | Aug 22 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, hes a nazi blogger | Aug 22 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres a slight difference | Aug 22 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats really funny? | Aug 22 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes good friends with sean hannity | Aug 22 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, _that_ sean hannity | Aug 22 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Let me find a famous video of B[l]ech | Aug 22 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | anybody associated with those douchebags should be ignored | Aug 22 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | or 4channed to death | Aug 22 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. not this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO0emupqmUo | Aug 22 20:30 |
| schestowitz | (Completely Insane Beck Cries While Comparing Democrats to Nazis) | Aug 22 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: hello? earth to roy? | Aug 22 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | beck is a comedian | Aug 22 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | you do not take him seriously | Aug 22 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Oh, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWKzobeya4 | Aug 22 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | he exists to make bill o'rielly's life hell | Aug 22 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Can he not just take Bill to Hell? | Aug 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | That may improve the ratings | Aug 22 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish he would | Aug 22 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | the world would be a better place | Aug 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | World ! | Aug 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | World != USA | Aug 22 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | bill is partly the reason people voted for bush ever | Aug 22 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | enough people voted for bush both times to cover up the vote fraud both times | Aug 22 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | bill, basically, is a murderer too | Aug 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody | Aug 22 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Tweets 490 | Aug 22 20:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know who that is | Aug 22 20:34 |
| schestowitz | "er, why has Twitter just vaporised 6000 of my tweets? Anyone else had this counting error? #twitter" http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/3409492967 | Aug 22 20:34 |
| schestowitz | See? | Aug 22 20:34 |
| schestowitz | The 'cloud' | Aug 22 20:34 |
| schestowitz | It's great | Aug 22 20:34 |
| schestowitz | You sort of... errr. "Lose stuff" | Aug 22 20:35 |
| schestowitz | No backups, either | Aug 22 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Lessig Does it Again... The main reason is that he's too damn busy with other projects, although I suspect the imminent arrival of his third child also was a big factor.< http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/08/lessig-does-it-again.html > | Aug 22 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know why anyone thinks twitter should be perminent anyhow | Aug 22 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | most of twitter is just mindless chatter | Aug 22 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | some of it is spam | Aug 22 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | some of it is used by botnet controllers | Aug 22 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it should regularly expire | Aug 22 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Twitter is like someone saw Usenet and thought "Wouldn't it be great if you were limited to like 10 words?" | Aug 22 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 22 20:40 |
| *Diablo-D3 facepalms | Aug 22 20:40 | |
| DaemonFC | it's how billionaires are made | Aug 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | UK ID cards will be useless in Europe < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529775/uk-id-cards-useless-europe > | Aug 22 20:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody China reduces holdings in US debt - http://bit.ly/1N3rbG while UK *increases* holdings; says it all, really #china #uk #us | Aug 22 20:46 | |
| DaemonFC | national ID cards | Aug 22 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | lovely | Aug 22 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | I still don't have one | Aug 22 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | my old driver's license doesn't expire til April 11, 2012 | Aug 22 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Evil and corrupt: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/09/fiji-spin-bottle | Aug 22 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to move to one of the states that are refusing it | Aug 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | re twitter, gone tweets = fog computing danger. No backup, no service, no guarantees | Aug 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | THat's why I don't rely on these | Aug 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2457&blogid=14 "Needless to say, all the posts are available for free, but there's also the option of buying a dead tree version, too. Now, if I can just persuade my old publishers to release a free digital version of Rebel Code...." | Aug 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Publishers hold the WRITERS hostage | Aug 22 20:52 |
| schestowitz | How great. | Aug 22 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Itt's like money lenders | Aug 22 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | woah crap | Aug 22 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | that tablet + keyboard | Aug 22 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | is $400 | Aug 22 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | :< | Aug 22 20:52 |
| schestowitz | SYSTEMS DISRUPTION IN RUSSIA < http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2009/08/systems-disruption-in-russia.html > | Aug 22 20:56 |
| schestowitz | CrunchPad is like $299 ir less | Aug 22 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Prototype coming soon | Aug 22 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 22 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | the thing's not going to work well without the keyboard :) | Aug 22 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Building the online Symbian Research Community < http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/21/building-the-online-symbian-research-community-2/ >. It doesn't seem to work well for Symbian (Nokia) with the whole 'open' marketing charade | Aug 22 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Not everyone needs a keyboard, DaemonFC http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/22/afghanistan.election/ | Aug 22 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | that's cold | Aug 22 21:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Awesome! No more rickrolling for me! http://www.longurlplease.com/ | Aug 22 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/08/standard-i-would-use-auto-unsubscribe.html | Aug 22 21:02 |
| schestowitz | WOT? "You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. " http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/ | Aug 22 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Why confuse animal rights with religion and deities? | Aug 22 21:06 |
| FxChiP | also | Aug 22 21:06 |
| FxChiP | (note that I have not read the page) | Aug 22 21:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching The Cube, as per @charltonbrooker suggestion in his column. | Aug 22 21:07 | |
| FxChiP | If they're that devoted to God, how are they going to take care of the pets when *they're* saved from the Rapture? | Aug 22 21:07 |
| FxChiP | Ahhhh. | Aug 22 21:09 |
| FxChiP | That's why it helps to RTFA. | Aug 22 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh, you can ascend with pets | Aug 22 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | its especially useful to have an Archon to carry items for you across the four elemental planes | Aug 22 21:11 |
| schestowitz | FxChiP: I didn't read it either | Aug 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz | It's barking mad | Aug 22 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | hey | Aug 22 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | what was the url for that netbook | Aug 22 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait found it | Aug 22 21:19 |
| FxChiP | hint: they're atheists | Aug 22 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I like this band.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwruN7aGS_w | Aug 22 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | DOJ Gives SUN The GO < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/doj-gives-sun-go >. Bye, Solaris?? | Aug 22 21:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is good service from @Phoronix . Good luck with that. http://ping.fm/ogsoZ | Aug 22 21:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Irony that themuse complain about toolbars. Oh look, bottom of _their_ page.. toolbar. http://bit.ly/qa2fZ Spanners. | Aug 22 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | m4a audio conversion in Linux < http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/?action=view_entry&eid=4505 > | Aug 22 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Emesene 1.5 With Webcam Support [How To Install It In Ubuntu] http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/08/emesene-15-with-webcam-support.html | Aug 22 21:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Whoa. So many typos in the official Manriva blog. They need adamw. http://ping.fm/Wh9Fq | Aug 22 22:02 | |
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| schestowitz | I told you so — The expat debacleI told you so — The expat debacle http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/08/21/i-told-you-so-the-expat-debacle | Aug 22 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | "However, this is overall good news since it gets ARM into the Netbook | Aug 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | market. | Aug 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I forgot, there is also a MIPS-based netbook already shipping: | Aug 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | http://lemote.kd85.com/ | Aug 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | We can soon leave the 1980's legacy systems and architectures behind us. | Aug 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Oracle, too, could do great things if it furthers Sparc. Sparc is not | Aug 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | just an open architecture, it is well-designed for server systems -- | Aug 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Oracle's area. " | Aug 22 22:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Need for Tolerance of the Political Side of GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/R7Y10 | Aug 22 22:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Semi-Satire: What GNU/Linux Can't Do http://ping.fm/keZXL | Aug 22 22:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktops Running GNU/Linux Do More for Less, Win Coevrts http://ping.fm/SBFMs | Aug 22 22:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mesa Report for Linux Kernel Space http://ping.fm/7NTWk | Aug 22 22:37 | |
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| cubezzz | touchbook looked rendered, where's the photos? | Aug 22 22:38 |
| cubezzz | oh lemote, yeah I know about that one | Aug 22 22:38 |
| cubezzz | Stallman likes it :) | Aug 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting hits like crazy from people googling for PlayReady | Aug 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | so I must not be the only one angered by it | Aug 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Good stuff | Aug 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | shows you how Microsoft thinks in terms of decades | Aug 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | if they jsut came in and stole your fair use rights to your media in one fell swoop, people would notice and be angry | Aug 22 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | they'd have a pitchfork mob after them | Aug 22 22:41 |
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| DaemonFC | if they break up your fair use rights and take them a piece at a time, then you have people angle their way in with "It's not so bad, you'll hardly notice" | Aug 22 22:41 |
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| DaemonFC | XP added Product Activation but they left their damned hands off your media for the most part | Aug 22 22:42 |
| cubezzz | microsoft hasn't stopped me removing drm from my tennis videos, which I duly paid for | Aug 22 22:42 |
| cubezzz | of course I want to watch tennis vids on linux | Aug 22 22:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bordeaux Writes About Plans for Wine/Bordeaux http://ping.fm/afj4n | Aug 22 22:43 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm hoping someone comes up with a way to crack around PlayReady | Aug 22 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure someone will | Aug 22 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | remember how a bunch of application developers thought they'd use Cydoor spyware as a get rich quick scheme? | Aug 22 22:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sugar Desktop Environment Going Places http://ping.fm/bAfRd | Aug 22 22:44 | |
| DaemonFC | and someone came up with a dummy dll that was inert and was there to jsut let you use the apps without the spyware? | Aug 22 22:44 |
| cubezzz | their was an offer of 250K to crack the latest satellite tv encryption scheme | Aug 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm wondering if something like that isn't possible with PlayReady | Aug 22 22:44 |
| cubezzz | totally black market of course :) | Aug 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, you know what they say "If they outlaw freedom, only the outlaws will be free" | Aug 22 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | or something to that effect | Aug 22 22:45 |
| cubezzz | what did the ol' safe cracker say? | Aug 22 22:45 |
| cubezzz | "there are easy cracks, and there are tough cracks, but there are no impossible cracks" :) | Aug 22 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | If I pay for something then I don't see a problem with cracking around it to assert my fair use rights | Aug 22 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | it may be illegal, but I don't think it's unethical in any way | Aug 22 22:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] Advantages of the GNU/Linux Way of Release http://ping.fm/usbaA | Aug 22 22:46 | |
| cubezzz | removing drm? No, cracking safes, yes | Aug 22 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think it just means we have bad leaders that have been fooled or bribed | Aug 22 22:46 |
| cubezzz | In Canada I don't think we even get in trouble for p2p | Aug 22 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | they pass bad laws with "amendments" or sneaking in on Christmas Eve to vote on it | Aug 22 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | the Federal Reserve Act passed with only 3 senators voting | Aug 22 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | NAFTA was another midnight back alley deal | Aug 22 22:47 |
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| cubezzz | deCSS violates DMCA in USA right? | Aug 22 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | was the DMCA it's own bill? | Aug 22 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | or was it an amendment that got trojaned in? | Aug 22 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | deCSS certainly does | Aug 22 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | libdvdcss is legal | Aug 22 22:48 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: is there a good unbiased write-up on what's bad about custom XML and docx? | Aug 22 22:48 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, what about DVD copying programs? | Aug 22 22:48 |
| cubezzz | are they legal in US? | Aug 22 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | nobody has been sued over libdvdcss because the people that would do the suing know that they don't have a case | Aug 22 22:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Uber-Review of CentOS 5.3, Public Appearances http://ping.fm/ECoRT http://ping.fm/iWfgO | Aug 22 22:49 | |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Not necessarily | Aug 22 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's a matter of interpretation | Aug 22 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | I happen to believe that using "error correction" + libdvdcss would be legal | Aug 22 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: none I can think of | Aug 22 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | nobody with a disc ripping program calls it "Click here to kill MacroVision" | Aug 22 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | they call it "Use error correction" | Aug 22 22:50 |
| Balrog | someone in another channel is pushing docx and ooxml and custom xml; says "all xml is custom" | Aug 22 22:50 |
| Balrog | :\ | Aug 22 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | MacroVision RipGuard uses fake bad sectors | Aug 22 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's also used on game discs | Aug 22 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | trivial to bypass, they usually layer it in with some malicious software like SecuROM | Aug 22 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | there's ways to remove SecuROM from the game's program code | Aug 22 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | that is most certainly illegal because you're modifying a binary program | Aug 22 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's actually two laws covering copying game discs | Aug 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | and other media btw | Aug 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | one says you have a right to back it up for your own personal use, and the other says you can't bypass copy protection | Aug 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the judge ruled against RealDVD by saying you have the right to back up your discs, but the program that does it could be illegal | Aug 22 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know exactly how Real went about copying the discs, it's not so much that they did it though, it was probably HOW they did it | Aug 22 22:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNOME/Ubuntu Linux 9.10 Visual Proposals http://ping.fm/ugR48 | Aug 22 22:56 | |
| DaemonFC | also software like VLC is less vulnerable to a lawsuit, the libdvdcss library only has like 9 functions iirc, so it's trivial to compile yourself or put in your own program | Aug 22 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | and VideoLAN isn't a huge company with deep pockets, so the most they would get is shutting the project down | Aug 22 22:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Benchmark of Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 4 http://ping.fm/jQu5h | Aug 22 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC | they could kill them, but the few kilobytes of code would definitely live on | Aug 22 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | they went after Real because there was someone to sue, because they're a US company and the US is very unfriendly to fair use rights, and because they can manipulate the judge and jury and/or bribe them behind the scenes | Aug 22 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that RealDVD lets you do anything VLC doesn't already, and RealDVD actually heavily encrypted the ripped video, so they actually had more of a solid defense than VLC would | Aug 22 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | I cold rip a DVD with VLC and share a million copies, the ripped video in RealDVD was DRM'd and tied to the machine that ripped it with Real's DRM | Aug 22 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | It all boiled down to the "damages" they could get from Real and the fact that RealDVD will die then and there since the source code is not out there | Aug 22 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | made them a very inviting target for a lawsuit | Aug 22 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | the recording industry picks its battles and only fights the ones it has a good chance of winning | Aug 22 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | the lawsuits against everyday people and The Pirate Bay was just to destroy those people and to make examples out of them, and it still doesn't work | Aug 22 23:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] LiPS (Kinux Consortium) Turns to Consultancy http://ping.fm/NhQav | Aug 22 23:03 | |
| DaemonFC | they can win every battle and still lose the war when they go bankrupt in the end | Aug 22 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | Think about it, when is the last time you actually "bought" a song or DVD? | Aug 22 23:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Linux-powered TonidoPlug http://ping.fm/1ezNM | Aug 22 23:04 | |
| DaemonFC | has it been more or less than when the RIAA and MPAA started suing people? | Aug 22 23:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] First Authentic Pictures of the Nokia N900 (Linux Powered) http://ping.fm/kb0ju | Aug 22 23:05 | |
| DaemonFC | file sharing has just shown to everyone how piggish the RIAA is when it doesn't actually cost anything to make however many copies of a song they want | Aug 22 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | there's more of a cost of doing business to bottle and sell water than there is to record and sell a CD | Aug 22 23:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "David Guetta feat Will I am - I Wanna Go Crazy" ♫ http://blip.fm/~c5729 | Aug 22 23:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | Is there any Blu Ray playing software for Linux? | Aug 22 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | I've never really looked | Aug 22 23:10 |
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| DaemonFC | hmm, so there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD | Aug 22 23:11 |
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| DaemonFC | the only time I even play a DVD is when I rent one out of the dollar machine | Aug 22 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | there's not very many movies that I want to watch more than once | Aug 22 23:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FreeBSD 8 Redoes the Routing Architecture http://ping.fm/GetYY | Aug 22 23:15 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, FreeBSD doesn't seem to hit the latency snags that Linux does | Aug 22 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was a little disturbed when Torvalds pissed off Alan Cox because he was one of the few people that is working on fixing the latency problems | Aug 22 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Linux 2.4 was horrendous, even on a uniprocessor system | Aug 22 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | they've worked most of that out though | Aug 22 23:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Announced Creative Collective http://ping.fm/MMIHJ | Aug 22 23:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 Reaches Second Release Candidate http://ping.fm/vuDpj | Aug 22 23:28 | |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: heh | Aug 22 23:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | linux's network stack is horrendous | Aug 22 23:29 |
| cubezzz | why is that? | Aug 22 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | apparently the SecuROM crap is targeted for fixing in Wine 1.2 | Aug 22 23:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: written by idiots | Aug 22 23:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government Gives Its Data to Citizens, Setting it Free http://ping.fm/rxYJX http://ping.fm/IK7oB http://ping.fm/U0EhU | Aug 22 23:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Observatory Adds New Features http://ping.fm/g0NyH | Aug 22 23:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Standards in Electronic Books Can be Helped by Sony's Action http://ping.fm/bIOlW | Aug 22 23:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Science Takes a Lesson from Free Software in More Areas http://ping.fm/jfE99 http://ping.fm/WBaFO | Aug 22 23:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Detailed Licensing Debate for Free Software and Beyond http://ping.fm/N8Jv2 | Aug 22 23:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies Challenged in More Textual Forms http://ping.fm/jIVaU http://ping.fm/1hOcc | Aug 22 23:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pirate Party in the UK Announces Policy and Plans http://ping.fm/oHh8f http://ping.fm/JSIm5 | Aug 22 23:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies Seen as Harmful http://ping.fm/Y7d01 | Aug 22 23:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Andy Updegrove the Microsoft Embargo Verdict http://ping.fm/3V7JJ | Aug 22 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Opera Speaks About Microsoft's Crimes http://ping.fm/KMddr | Aug 22 23:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] India and GNU/Linux Users Stay Away from Microsoft Brainwash Engine http://ping.fm/LnIUk http://ping.fm/Cfowt | Aug 22 23:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Malicious Hijack of Yahoo! (by Cronies) to be Challenged by Feds http://ping.fm/pP8Dm | Aug 22 23:51 | |
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| toros | hi | Aug 22 23:54 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, what is wrong with linux's network stack? | Aug 22 23:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Motorola Dumps Microsoft Office http://ping.fm/pVwcf | Aug 22 23:55 | |
| cubezzz | back in a bit :) | Aug 22 23:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: slow, uses too much cpu, iptables is horrid | Aug 22 23:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Standards Swiss Cheese to Stay http://ping.fm/NiFZP | Aug 22 23:57 | |
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