| _goblin | that vid must be a joke.... | Aug 27 00:14 |
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| _goblin | if someone has faith then surely they believe God is "all seeing and all knowing" so an amplifier would be pointless.....if it was needed it would make the day of judgement more of a court case since God may not have witnessed all your actions. | Aug 27 00:16 |
| _goblin | thats probably good news for some of the Wintrolls, since they probably have much guilt they wish to hide. | Aug 27 00:16 |
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| trmanco | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2513/3857384694_f9109c156e_o.jpg | Aug 27 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: yes, he makes many parodies | Aug 27 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Funny | Aug 27 00:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: BBC outsources tech news to Microsoft http://notnews.today.com/?p=620 | Aug 27 00:55 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: these are some bad search results | Aug 27 00:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard did the MSBBC also hire Jack? | Aug 27 00:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz nah, Jack thinks he's a writer. this was the non-story that triggered this one: http://is.gd/2AxEu i mean, WHAT? | Aug 27 01:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Illdrinn Nerdy cupcakes! (Lookin' at you @rachelsoma) http://digg.com/d1125xC | Aug 27 01:20 | |
| schestowitz | Someone forgot to change filenames.. http://windows7sins.org/i/badvista.png | Aug 27 01:25 |
| Balrog_ | hahahahaha | Aug 27 01:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard yeah, I called it a "free advert" when I saw it yesterday. | Aug 27 01:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Windows 7 Sins” Campaign a Great Success So Far http://ping.fm/T82xd | Aug 27 01:53 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2009082602535INMSSV | Aug 27 02:02 |
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| yuhong | BTW, I am booting Windows less often thanks to Wine. | Aug 27 03:17 |
| yuhong | Which allows running of Windows apps. | Aug 27 03:17 |
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| yuhong | BTW, I am booting Windows less often thanks to Wine. | Aug 27 03:19 |
| yuhong | Which allows running of Windows apps. | Aug 27 03:19 |
| yuhong | And by boot sector, I mean the partition boot sector, not the MBR. | Aug 27 03:19 |
| yuhong | Which Windows do destroy. | Aug 27 03:19 |
| yuhong | I was suggesting to install GRUB into the *partition* boot sector, which Windows leaves alone. | Aug 27 03:20 |
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| ignoramus -> Applications such as Outlook or Photoshop are impossible to replace with free alternatives. | Aug 27 03:58 | |
| uhh, Evolution, Kontact for starters. I have to use Outlook at work and it's hard for me to think of a worse email client. | Aug 27 04:00 | |
| Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, and half a dozen photo and graphic manipulation programs kick Photoshop's aging early 90's rear. | Aug 27 04:00 | |
| _Hicham_ | I completely replaced Photoshop with GIMP | Aug 27 04:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't use any Windows Program now | Aug 27 04:01 |
| _Hicham_ | the only closed source program I am using is flash plugin | Aug 27 04:01 |
| _Hicham_ | and I feel guilty for using it | Aug 27 04:01 |
| http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5250 | Aug 27 04:01 | |
| _Hicham_ | plus of course, closed source firmwares | Aug 27 04:02 |
| _Hicham_ | for my ADSL USB Modem | Aug 27 04:02 |
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| _Hicham_ | I hope that flash will be wiped out by current Mozilla efforts in implementing HTML5 | Aug 27 04:10 |
| neighborlee | I for one would LOVE to be able to do flash LIKE stuff without needing flash creator ;) | Aug 27 04:12 |
| neighborlee | i haven't looked into spec though but thought is nice | Aug 27 04:13 |
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| yuhong | Describing what Win does with the MBR as "wiping the MBR" isn't exactly correct. | Aug 27 04:14 |
| yuhong | What Win does is they are writing the standard MBR. | Aug 27 04:14 |
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| yuhong | It loads the partition boot sector from whatever partition is marked “active”. | Aug 27 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm | Aug 27 04:15 |
| _Hicham_ | not from any partition | Aug 27 04:16 |
| _Hicham_ | from the first primary partition on the primary Hard Disk | Aug 27 04:16 |
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| yuhong | No, from the partition marked "Active". | Aug 27 04:16 |
| _Hicham_ | if it is not the first partition, it won't load | Aug 27 04:17 |
| _Hicham_ | I tried that even with Windows Vista | Aug 27 04:17 |
| _Hicham_ | wouldn't boot | Aug 27 04:17 |
| yuhong | http://www.geocities.com/thestarman3/asm/mbr/STDMBR.htm | Aug 27 04:17 |
| _Hicham_ | until I install it on the first partition | Aug 27 04:17 |
| yuhong | http://www.geocities.com/thestarman3/asm/mbr/Win2kmbr.htm | Aug 27 04:18 |
| yuhong | Anyway, by marking the Linux partition as "active", it tells the standard MBR to look there for the partition boot record. | Aug 27 04:19 |
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| LOL my "standard" MBR has nothing from M$ in it -> yuhong: What Win does is they are writing the standard MBR. | Aug 27 04:22 | |
| _Hicham_ | twitter is a full time Windows user | Aug 27 04:25 |
| _Hicham_ is trying to remind me who I should ignore. | Aug 27 04:27 | |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : ignore yourself | Aug 27 04:27 |
| yuhong | I boot Windows less often now because Wine lets me run Windows apps. | Aug 27 04:27 |
| _Hicham_ | yuhong : what Windows apps do u still use ? | Aug 27 04:28 |
| yuhong | Not many. | Aug 27 04:28 |
| I use Windows at work because most people have no clue. | Aug 27 04:28 | |
| _Hicham_ | like ? | Aug 27 04:28 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : don't be that nervous | Aug 27 04:28 |
| I have no Microsoft systems at home. | Aug 27 04:28 | |
| _Hicham_ | i am just kidding with u | Aug 27 04:28 |
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| yuhong | Anyway, if you want to learn more about MBRs and boot records, you should visit The Starman, it is a good resource on these subjects. | Aug 27 04:36 |
| yuhong | http://www.geocities.com/thestarman3/asm/mbr/index.html | Aug 27 04:36 |
| I'd rather read the grub source code or pay my taxes, thanks. | Aug 27 04:37 | |
| yuhong | It does have a little section on GRUB. | Aug 27 04:38 |
| yuhong | But, yea, you can get the same information from the source code of grub. | Aug 27 04:39 |
| yuhong | And yea, I know, KCLS computers is still even using IE 6 as the web browser, even though they are running XP, which cause problems when I visit slashdot on them. | Aug 27 04:41 |
| yuhong | I did ask about newer version of IE, they can't give me an exact date, but was assured they were testing it. | Aug 27 04:42 |
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| cubezzz | geocities web pages will disappear soon | Aug 27 04:44 |
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| schestowitz | Judge orders cybersquatter to pay Verizon $33m http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/27/onlinenic_verizon_ruling_upheld/ | Aug 27 08:33 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Aug 27 09:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Reboots UK Channel http://ping.fm/qk8Da | Aug 27 09:18 | |
| schestowitz | Hey, Omar87. WHat's up? | Aug 27 09:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Will Edward Cahn Allow SCO to Pursue Litigation Against Linux? http://ping.fm/Pm0Zi | Aug 27 09:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Manipulates Patent Laws; DOJ, HP and Dell Help Microsoft http://ping.fm/V0LiS | Aug 27 10:28 | |
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| ziggyfish | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1531693/microsoft-citrix-pull-vmworld-conference | Aug 27 10:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Teaches the Public That Free is Illegal http://ping.fm/6MYAh | Aug 27 11:20 | |
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| schestowitz | ziggyfish: interesting. | Aug 27 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what goes on there, 'politically' | Aug 27 11:50 |
| ziggyfish | anyway time to go to sleep | Aug 27 11:53 |
| schestowitz | There are odd bursts of traffic in BN today | Aug 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if it's DDOS or real traffic, but it make it hard to write | Aug 27 11:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK Web Sites and Healthcare Paralysed by Microsoft Flukes http://ping.fm/qc5UV | Aug 27 12:38 | |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to trmanco | Aug 27 12:48 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hey there. :) | Aug 27 12:49 |
| trmanco | hey cool | Aug 27 12:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Linux in 2013: One *Billion* Dollars!: http://is.gd/2BFLb | Aug 27 12:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Such an amazing person! http://bit.ly/4DpDdk | Aug 27 12:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Musica do momento -> http://is.gd/2BJtM - David Guetta featuring Kid Cudi - Memories | Aug 27 13:26 | |
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| oiaohm | I like the windows 7 sins site. | Aug 27 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Let the shift into full out compete marketing keep on going. | Aug 27 13:28 |
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| trmanco | they need some humor in it | Aug 27 13:29 |
| trmanco | it's too negative | Aug 27 13:29 |
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| oiaohm | The funny side will develop in time trmanco | Aug 27 13:51 |
| MinceR | btw, note that both UT3 and Rage is available/will be available on xbox360 | Aug 27 13:53 |
| MinceR | i think that's why they're weaseling around providing linux versions | Aug 27 13:53 |
| MinceR | probably a deal in the background | Aug 27 13:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Nokia bets on Linux: http://is.gd/2BNHI | Aug 27 14:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Wikimedia receives $2 million grant from Omidyar Network: http://is.gd/2BNN5 | Aug 27 14:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @jzdziarski: Of course our government is panicking over swine flu. It sounds like something that mostly attacks politicians. | Aug 27 14:02 | |
| trmanco | yay for nokia | Aug 27 14:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Nokia unveils its first Linux phone: http://is.gd/2BO7p | Aug 27 14:04 | |
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| Hmmm, it's interesting that Nokia is using gnu/linux for it's smart phones when they picked Winblows 7 for their nice looking netbook. | Aug 27 14:20 | |
| oiaohm | Nokia is betting both ways. | Aug 27 14:21 |
| The M$ fanboys were all crowing about the Nokia netbook, which should run about as well as a warmed horse turd. | Aug 27 14:21 | |
| oiaohm | I would not be supprised if nokia release Linux versions of netbooks just to force ms price down. | Aug 27 14:21 |
| M$ makes it so people must go M$ only to get a good price, ohm. | Aug 27 14:22 | |
| amarsh04 | Does anyone sell a laptop/notebook pc with a glowing penguin logo? (-: | Aug 27 14:22 |
| oiaohm | MS is losing the war. | Aug 27 14:22 |
| lol -> Usually Microsoft doesn’t develop products, we buy products. It’s [OneCare] not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing. | Aug 27 14:23 | |
| MinceR | they're losing it too slowly. | Aug 27 14:23 |
| MinceR | we're suffering. | Aug 27 14:23 |
| Usually Microsoft doesn’t develop products, we buy products ... and screw them up completely. | Aug 27 14:23 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR the rate of there weaking is accelrating. | Aug 27 14:24 |
| Hotmail comes to mind, as does QDos, backup programs, Spyglass and so on. | Aug 27 14:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: Screencasting To A Script http://bit.ly/zHyUo | Aug 27 14:25 | |
| M$ has burned through 40 to 60 billion in cash savings over the last four or five years, they are losing at a tremendous rate. | Aug 27 14:25 | |
| right now, they are borrowing money and firing people. this really is the end game. | Aug 27 14:26 | |
| trmanco | as long as microsoft pays people to use it's os, it's no good | Aug 27 14:26 |
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| it's a facade | Aug 27 14:27 | |
| they selectively crush one company only to see two or three spring up | Aug 27 14:27 | |
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| MinceR | as long as they can continue to borrow more money, we're not out of the crap. | Aug 27 14:28 |
| society can demand justice | Aug 27 14:29 | |
| what M$ does to companies is immoral and illegal. | Aug 27 14:29 | |
| MinceR | society can demand justice, but it won't and it won't get it | Aug 27 14:30 |
| as M$ loses money, they lose influence and won't be able to get away with their usual tricks. it's a death spiral. | Aug 27 14:30 | |
| MinceR | as long as it remains as clueless as it is now. | Aug 27 14:30 |
| do not underestimate your neighbors | Aug 27 14:31 | |
| MinceR | i can't | Aug 27 14:31 |
| MinceR | all the time they demonstrate their idiocy to me | Aug 27 14:31 |
| I like the M$ search results for "fuck Microsoft" | Aug 27 14:38 | |
| they got rid of the "fuck you" answer but number 10 is about conficker | Aug 27 14:39 | |
| 8 is " Discussions in microsoft.public.windows.vista.general" | Aug 27 14:40 | |
| sleep functions and Silverlight are also mentioned. | Aug 27 14:40 | |
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| oiaohm | Vista was the start of major cracking up of MS power base. | Aug 27 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 is repeating the same mistake. | Aug 27 14:47 |
| oiaohm | We have kind crossed the threshold of how much faster business needs computers. | Aug 27 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | <trmanco> they need some humor in it | Aug 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Agreed | Aug 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | +1 Nokia | Aug 27 15:17 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is promoting Nokia in his channel | Aug 27 15:18 |
| trmanco | :) | Aug 27 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: yes, amazing person | Aug 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Progressive womens' rights movement shows that Free software can win too | Aug 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | twitter: it's not GNU/Linux on these phones, I reckon. Just Linux. | Aug 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Maemo uses both AFAIK | Aug 27 15:21 |
| MinceR | afaik Maemo is based on Debian | Aug 27 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 27 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Moved from gtk to qt | Aug 27 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Or still moving | Aug 27 15:24 |
| there is not linux without gnu. you are hard pressed to edit and compile linux itself without gcc and friends | Aug 27 15:25 | |
| schestowitz | No, there is | Aug 27 15:26 |
| MinceR | twitter: there's android | Aug 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz | You can put another toolchain on top, if any | Aug 27 15:26 |
| MinceR | it's linux without gnu | Aug 27 15:26 |
| like what? | Aug 27 15:26 | |
| MinceR | like non-gnu libc | Aug 27 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you don't require those services | Aug 27 15:27 |
| schestowitz | like rsync | Aug 27 15:27 |
| MinceR | and just stripping out most functionality entirely | Aug 27 15:27 |
| strip out and rewrite, it sounds like a lot of effort not worth spending money on | Aug 27 15:27 | |
| how are you going to do things without ls, find, grep, sed, awk and all that? | Aug 27 15:28 | |
| MinceR | goodle did anyway | Aug 27 15:28 |
| did they? | Aug 27 15:28 | |
| MinceR | once again, see android | Aug 27 15:28 |
| I don't know what's on android | Aug 27 15:28 | |
| MinceR | linux kernel, a retarded version of libc and a jvm called dalvik | Aug 27 15:29 |
| what graphics sublayer do they use? | Aug 27 15:29 | |
| do they use busybox? | Aug 27 15:29 | |
| MinceR | they probably use their own gui | Aug 27 15:29 |
| MinceR | dunno about busybox | Aug 27 15:30 |
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| oiaohm | Really posix shell commands are not required. | Aug 27 15:35 |
| yeah, but something they talk to is and the obvious choices are bsd and gnu | Aug 27 15:36 | |
| oiaohm | Its also the catch that the Linux kernel really does not have a built in dynamic loader. | Aug 27 15:36 |
| there seems to be a lot of fud and bullshit about android out there | Aug 27 15:36 | |
| oiaohm | android is an experment. | Aug 27 15:37 |
| oiaohm | May turn out worth something or worth nothing. | Aug 27 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Time will tell. | Aug 27 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Does Android still use 2.6.24 or whatever? | Aug 27 15:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes and no | Aug 27 15:38 |
| schestowitz | It has OK adoption | Aug 27 15:38 |
| MinceR | it's a train wreck | Aug 27 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS makes a case for reuse | Aug 27 15:38 |
| MinceR | even the calendar is pathetic. | Aug 27 15:38 |
| schestowitz | THey come in from the bottom | Aug 27 15:38 |
| *MinceR has more hope for Maemo | Aug 27 15:39 | |
| oiaohm | Most of the Android kernel alterations are in the main line kernel. | Aug 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | “In our association we operate as a consortium, like the open source consortium. They want to promote open source and Linux. But if you begin from the PC you are afraid of Microsoft. They try to go to the smart phone or PDA to start again.” -- Li Chang, vice president of the Taipei Computer Association | Aug 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Google stack | Aug 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Google Apps -top stack | Aug 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Google Apps -Android | Aug 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Chrome | Aug 27 15:39 |
| oiaohm | The kernel space IPC of Android might be useful in future. | Aug 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | To run Apps | Aug 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Then Chrome OS | Aug 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | EEEing Linux | Aug 27 15:39 |
| *twitter has quit ("Leaving.") | Aug 27 15:40 | |
| schestowitz | Then Google can start selling hardware too, like Apple | Aug 27 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Then offer grocies and house mortgages like Tesco :-) | Aug 27 15:40 |
| schestowitz | j/k | Aug 27 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Googlemart | Aug 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Where all food is in "Beta' | Aug 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2009/08/fsf-hosts-a-mini-summit-on-women-in-free-software/ | Aug 27 15:41 |
| *twitter (n=willhill@97-113-230-249.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Aug 27 15:42 | |
| schestowitz | QUOTE | Aug 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Now, as I said it is no surprise that the FSF is engaging in this important effort, but what was a bit surprising was some of the reactions to it. | Aug 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | For example, consider Mr. Matt Asay’s column, where he ignores the entire message of the site and chooses instead to try to paint the FSF as hypocritices for using a CC-No Derivatives license, and then has the laughable audacity to call for more code from the FSF – as if the FSF doesn’t already have a project or two out there - code which he hints is not derivable, a truly foolish red herring to wave about. | Aug 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Asay has written many critical pieces about the FSF, the GPL, and related matters recently – it’s a shame that he continues to pretend to be a proponent of Open Source, when it is quite clear he is actually some sort of pro-commerical open-core “fauxpen source” evangelist. | Aug 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | This is the same sort of dishonest dismissal we see from non-Open Source supporters like Business Week, right down to using the same language (both articles deem the effort “silly”). In fact, Mr. Asay endorses the juvenille ranting of the Download Squad’s article in his own writing – a truly vacuous rock to build upon, I should think. | Aug 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2009/08/win7-deadly-sins/ | Aug 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: take note | Aug 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Another Good Section 230 Ruling: Forum Owner Not Liable For Posts < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090825/0415455990.shtml > | Aug 27 15:44 |
| MinceR | asay continues to be a clown | Aug 27 15:45 |
| ThistleWeb | so he's an ass eh? | Aug 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz | He spoke to Eben before | Aug 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand why he's flippant like this | Aug 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz | And later he whines about me cirticising him | Aug 27 15:46 |
| ThistleWeb | he does have an easy name to bend | Aug 27 15:46 |
| ThistleWeb | asey = ass eh? | Aug 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's not pronounced like it, though | Aug 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz | It's Ay-si (icy) | Aug 27 15:46 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd bet lol | Aug 27 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Not Assey | Aug 27 15:47 |
| schestowitz | He used to work for Novell | Aug 27 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Clever guy nonetheless. Better not to alienate him totally | Aug 27 15:47 |
| ThistleWeb | just thought he seemed to be living up to his name as it's written | Aug 27 15:48 |
| schestowitz | He was here in IRC before. MinceR insulted him. Wahmbulance came | Aug 27 15:48 |
| ThistleWeb | anyhoo, back to the subject | Aug 27 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Aug 27 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Good news so far today | Aug 27 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft made many attacks yesterday | Aug 27 15:48 |
| MinceR | he should go work for his beloved crApple | Aug 27 15:49 |
| oiaohm | The world is not black and white MinceR | Aug 27 15:49 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber is trying to decipher some text | Aug 27 15:49 |
| MinceR | and continue to praise their practice of ripping off FLOSS while pushing sw patents | Aug 27 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Even when printer it's hard to read | Aug 27 15:49 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's mostly black | Aug 27 15:49 |
| schestowitz | *printed | Aug 27 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Its may shades of grey. | Aug 27 15:49 |
| MinceR | yes, and most of those shades are very dark | Aug 27 15:49 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: agreed | Aug 27 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Asay does good and bad | Aug 27 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Good most of the time | Aug 27 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Even some pro-Linux sometimes | Aug 27 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Without people being critical of open source at times it would not have got a far. | Aug 27 15:50 |
| MinceR | being critical is one thing | Aug 27 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Also without people claiming this as impossiable Linux would not have got so far. | Aug 27 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Like the intergration between a real-time and a desktop kernel. | Aug 27 15:51 |
| MinceR | telling people to go proprietary and raving about locked-down idiot boxes is another. | Aug 27 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Read many textbooks on OS design you see it marked as impossiable. | Aug 27 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Proprietary are what large numbers of computer users are use to. | Aug 27 15:52 |
| oiaohm | I still get people saying if Linux is so good Ms or some other big company will buy them out. | Aug 27 15:52 |
| MinceR | unreliability is also what large numbers of computer users are used to | Aug 27 15:52 |
| MinceR | does that mean that it should be promoted? | Aug 27 15:53 |
| schestowitz | story category Shaw Drops Pricing Bomb To Destroy Local Fiber ISP http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/103670 | Aug 27 15:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is how you know the MAFIAA is *miserably* craving revenue. http://ping.fm/eJoWA | Aug 27 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Asay links to BN occasionally | Aug 27 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Let's be polite where possible and address the issues | Aug 27 15:53 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't like the FSF much | Aug 27 15:53 |
| schestowitz | He has always disdained RMS | Aug 27 15:53 |
| schestowitz | That's nothing new | Aug 27 15:54 |
| MinceR | clueless people often do | Aug 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz | As long as he's written he make cheap shots at him | Aug 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Poor person = bad person | Aug 27 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Lot of open source people I know hate FSF and RMS. | Aug 27 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because they fell they give them a bad image. | Aug 27 15:54 |
| MinceR | they don't see where free software come from and why the issues the FSF focuses on are important | Aug 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Or rather, the idea of not living wealthy is not seen as good | Aug 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz | But I don't accept it | Aug 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz | And since Asay is a Mormon I'm surprised he's so motivated by money | Aug 27 15:54 |
| MinceR | does someone have to brutally tread on others and rip them off in order to be wealthy? | Aug 27 15:55 |
| MinceR | i'm hoping not | Aug 27 15:55 |
| oiaohm | To get weathly fast yes MinceR. | Aug 27 15:55 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, what MinceR says | Aug 27 15:55 |
| schestowitz | To many of us it's about ethics | Aug 27 15:55 |
| schestowitz | BN is not anti-Microsoft | Aug 27 15:55 |
| schestowitz | As the name suggests, it's about Novell | Aug 27 15:55 |
| schestowitz | And it does Apple and Amazon also | Aug 27 15:55 |
| schestowitz | It's about ethics | Aug 27 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Ethics does not stop you from getting weathy. | Aug 27 15:55 |
| MinceR | m$ and novell are the same thing now | Aug 27 15:56 |
| schestowitz | As in, f* PR and marketing | Aug 27 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Just cuts off all the illegal fast ways to do it. | Aug 27 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Also to hell with intellectual monopolies | Aug 27 15:56 |
| MinceR | what belongs together, grows together. | Aug 27 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Indian people should wake up and kick out anyone in India who defends intellectual monopolies | Aug 27 15:56 |
| schestowitz | It's enemies of their nation | Aug 27 15:56 |
| MinceR | also, $co isn't dead yet, apparently | Aug 27 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Cigerates was a fairly fast way to get rich. | Aug 27 15:56 |
| MinceR | so are other narcotics | Aug 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Like nations that throw loans at countries to imprison and exploit them | Aug 27 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Something harmful that hooks people is a fast way to get rich. | Aug 27 15:57 |
| oiaohm | You can even make money selling stuff to cure the side effects. | Aug 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | CrackPods | Aug 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | And Crackberrie | Aug 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Gets you addicted to Nocotunes | Aug 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | *NicoTunes | Aug 27 15:57 |
| oiaohm | One of the best jokes I have seen is niciten patches. | Aug 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA transfusion for toddlas' | Aug 27 15:58 |
| oiaohm | You stop smoking but you still keep on taking in the drug anyhow. | Aug 27 15:58 |
| oiaohm | then people wonder why they fail to give it up. | Aug 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: the 'patch industry' steals the revenue from the tobacco | Aug 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | It's like a spirit company taking it from breweries | Aug 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | "Come to us! Our drugs are MUCH better!" | Aug 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | ANd for women it's harder to quit smoking | Aug 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why and I'm not sure if anyone found out | Aug 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Either psychological or physical factors | Aug 27 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Look closer most of the patch industry uses drugs extracted from tobacco. | Aug 27 15:59 |
| MinceR | i'd guess eventually this stopped smoking too >> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/25/smoking_imac_video/ | Aug 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Tobacco industry killed my grandma and uncle | Aug 27 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically a way of shipping there drug in a more compressed form. | Aug 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, Apple's always smoken! | Aug 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Does Messiah Jobs smoke? | Aug 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Cause his cancer may be caused by such things | Aug 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Did he smoke while younger? | Aug 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Hippie revoilution.. | Aug 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz | $1 Million wine book (wine included) http://www.luxuo.com/most-expensive/wine-book.html | Aug 27 16:01 |
| schestowitz | "Barbour attributed the difficulties to the new computer system, known as SchoolMax, but said late registrations and absences also contributed. She said the rest of the students would be in class Wednesday." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/25/AR2009082503145.html?wprss=rss_technology | Aug 27 16:03 |
| trmanco | grrr | Aug 27 16:04 |
| trmanco | stupid isp | Aug 27 16:04 |
| trmanco | can't open google | Aug 27 16:04 |
| trmanco | is this some kind of a stunt for people to use my isp's crappy search engine? | Aug 27 16:04 |
| trmanco | Server not found | Aug 27 16:04 |
| trmanco | Aug 27 16:04 | |
| trmanco | Aug 27 16:04 | |
| trmanco | Aug 27 16:04 | |
| trmanco | Aug 27 16:04 | |
| trmanco | Aug 27 16:04 | |
| trmanco | Aug 27 16:04 | |
| trmanco | Aug 27 16:04 | |
| trmanco | Aug 27 16:04 | |
| trmanco | Swiftweasel can't find the server at www.google.com. | Aug 27 16:04 |
| trmanco | sorry for the spaces | Aug 27 16:05 |
| trmanco | 155 seconds of lag | Aug 27 16:05 |
| trmanco | ... | Aug 27 16:05 |
| schestowitz | I had Google issues yesterday | Aug 27 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Lasted a minute or so | Aug 27 16:05 |
| trmanco | the problem isn't google | Aug 27 16:05 |
| trmanco | it's my isp | Aug 27 16:05 |
| MinceR | my google issues don't go away so easily | Aug 27 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Couldn't reach teh Googlers | Aug 27 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Google has very high availability | Aug 27 16:06 |
| trmanco | I really get furious when I can't access google | Aug 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz | And always very fast... instantaneous | Aug 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz | They use some advanced tricks to achieve this | Aug 27 16:06 |
| trmanco | it looks like it stabilized | Aug 27 16:06 |
| trmanco | :) | Aug 27 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Google globally spreed servers. | Aug 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Not possible with inferior Micropple junk tech | Aug 27 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Now of course google does rarely have glitches. | Aug 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: also caching | Aug 27 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Where there are zone black outs. | Aug 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they have engineers to uptimre | Aug 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Else people might try another SE | Aug 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | And find out about choice | Aug 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | I was interviewed for a job at Google... uptime responsibilities | Aug 27 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Really google only normally at worse down harms only 1 percent of population on line max until re routing kicks in. | Aug 27 16:08 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Aug 27 16:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/26/bitly-teams-up-with-yfrog-on-image-sharing | Aug 27 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft apologizes for digital head transplant < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/26/microsoft_head_transplant/ > | Aug 27 16:14 |
| schestowitz | GAvin Clarke is advertising VIsta 7 in The Register again | Aug 27 16:14 |
| MinceR | (animated) (audio) http://microlove.ytmnd.com/ | Aug 27 16:14 |
| schestowitz | The Register is hopeless | Aug 27 16:14 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 27 16:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Check it out: http://ping.fm/piT8O "Microsoft apologizes for digital head transplant" < http://ping.fm/QbeM4 > | Aug 27 16:16 | |
| ThistleWeb | large corps with many depts and offices are great for finding a scapegoat and saying "it was him/her" when a stunt backfires on them | Aug 27 16:17 |
| ThistleWeb | "mistakes were made, lessons were learned, now did we mention we have a new product coming out next month, let me tell you all about it" | Aug 27 16:18 |
| schestowitz | COmpanies are people | Aug 27 16:18 |
| schestowitz | When the people are scum they recruit more scum like them | Aug 27 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Case of point: Joachim Kempin | Aug 27 16:18 |
| MinceR | some companies started out with scum and nothing else | Aug 27 16:19 |
| ThistleWeb | why hire peeps with ethics who would upset the apple cart? | Aug 27 16:19 |
| schestowitz | So then you end up with a "criminal organisation" as it's called | Aug 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | case in point: m$ and crApple | Aug 27 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Or "organised crime" | Aug 27 16:19 |
| ThistleWeb | ethical peeps are sand in their engine | Aug 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | nah, officially they are only called that if they don't do their stuff well | Aug 27 16:19 |
| schestowitz | "We're getting the gang back together." --J Allard, high Microsoft senior 2007) | Aug 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | usually they can work around laws or buy them | Aug 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | and most people believe that if it's legal then it's ethically acceptable | Aug 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: not just that | Aug 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | THey either don't apply | Aug 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Or they leave | Aug 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Or they are not scum enough to be good employees | Aug 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Where good is to deceive and make more profit this way | Aug 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Many sales jobs are like that | Aug 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | in our cult of the Almighty Money, people get praised simply for amassing lots of money, regardless of how they did it, if they've managed to avoid getting caught doing something illegal | Aug 27 16:21 |
| ThistleWeb | it's like the CIA under Bush, the atmosphere was "find ways to blame Sadaam and give us an excuse" | Aug 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Had you been ethical, then you would be honest and tell the buyer when the nearby shop has a better offer on item X | Aug 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | see ballmer being honored by a "university" here in budapest | Aug 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz | When I worked for a shop (I was 17) they instructed us to try to sell the more expensive items | Aug 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz | So if someone wants a keyboard you need to try to push premium ones | Aug 27 16:21 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I had the same, but told to push extended warranties, and interest baring store cards | Aug 27 16:22 |
| ThistleWeb | regardless of what was best for the customer | Aug 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: don't worry | Aug 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz | People remember eggs | Aug 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz | No awarf | Aug 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz | *award | Aug 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | they don't remember the crimes, though | Aug 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz | It's a trip he'll remember | Aug 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | and the gallows post remains empty | Aug 27 16:22 |
| ThistleWeb | hey, what have eggs done? eggs are nice | Aug 27 16:22 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz | The eggs were lucky | Aug 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz | They manages to avoid and escape the sweaty object | Aug 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz | It got out of their way | Aug 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Hid under some furniture | Aug 27 16:23 |
| *ThistleWeb stands up in defence of the defenceless yet tasty if greasy fried egg | Aug 27 16:23 | |
| MinceR | the greasy things didn't meet? :> | Aug 27 16:24 |
| schestowitz | I saw this computer game.. | Aug 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | .Egg Attack it's called | Aug 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | It's quite OK | Aug 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | The goal is this: | Aug 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | You're this bunch of eggs | Aug 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | And you need to move the guy out of their wau | Aug 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | He's trying to block the eggs | Aug 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | In their natural trajectory | Aug 27 16:25 |
| ThistleWeb | the only egg like game I remember from many many years ago was Dizzy, on the old C64 / Amstrad etc | Aug 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | The lower the score, the better | Aug 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | High score means you fail | Aug 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://www.egg-attack.com/ | Aug 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | You have to move the heavy object away from the nice yummy eggs | Aug 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 27 16:27 |
| ThistleWeb | damnit that's twice today I've been caught yearning for a fried egg | Aug 27 16:27 |
| ThistleWeb | watched an ep of Still Game earlier where they had a fry up, now this | Aug 27 16:27 |
| ThistleWeb | can we get off the subject of eggs now please? lol | Aug 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Tough times for software firms < http://english.vietnamnet.vn/ITTelecom/2009/08/865511/ > | Aug 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I don't eat eggs anymore | Aug 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I used to eat 3 a day until I was like 20 | Aug 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz | You should see videos on what they do for eggs | Aug 27 16:29 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't eat them often, but I do like a fried egg roll | Aug 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz | And checks | Aug 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz | *chicks | Aug 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Let's look it up in THe Tube | Aug 27 16:29 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I know | Aug 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz | See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGJryC4XIdo | Aug 27 16:30 |
| MinceR | http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/08/26/237456/exploding-iphone-claims-second-french-victim.htm | Aug 27 16:32 |
| ThistleWeb | am I understanding this right? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8219741.stm <<is that a mobile OS on top of an existing OS running as an app? | Aug 27 16:32 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: i suspect it's some sort of remote access tech | Aug 27 16:33 |
| MinceR | something like vnc | Aug 27 16:33 |
| schestowitz | The Perils of Linux Maturity: Torvalds Fakes Emerge in Twittersphere < http://www.linux-foundation.org/weblogs/jzemlin/2009/08/26/the-perils-of-linux-maturity-torvalds-fakes-emerge-in-twittersphere/ > | Aug 27 16:33 |
| schestowitz | There are also fake RMSes | Aug 27 16:33 |
| ThistleWeb | the impression I get is that it gives non-smart phones, smart phone features by installing an app, which has other apps or links included | Aug 27 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | an app designed like an OS | Aug 27 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Byfield writes about warts: | Aug 27 16:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6828/1/ | Aug 27 16:35 |
| schestowitz | To be fair, he didn't choose the headline | Aug 27 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Just some provocat[roll]ive headline | Aug 27 16:35 |
| ThistleWeb | it seems to me, that running 2 OS's is not good for either security, or speed / battery length etc, which is even worse if MS make one of them | Aug 27 16:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's the kill switch of the iPhone | Aug 27 16:35 |
| schestowitz | They can kill terror~1 this way | Aug 27 16:36 |
| ThistleWeb | if the phone is low spec to start with, the last thing it needs is another layer of stuff to do | Aug 27 16:36 |
| MinceR | :D | Aug 27 16:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Yassine Bouhadi | Aug 27 16:36 |
| MinceR | i think the apps run on servers | Aug 27 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like an oriental name, so they pulled the kill switch | Aug 27 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Not for apps | Aug 27 16:37 |
| schestowitz | For battery | Aug 27 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Better if it doesn't explode when in a call | Aug 27 16:37 |
| ThistleWeb | I think kde4 is getting an unfair rep right now, with peeps not understanding that many kapps are not fully ported to qt4 yet, while they look complete and fit in, the features are not complete compared to the previous qt3 versions | Aug 27 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Sarcasm aside, the BBC says the French look into it | Aug 27 16:42 |
| ThistleWeb | that's just a matter of time | Aug 27 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 27 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Code it there | Aug 27 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Needs integration with the new cross-plat tool kits | Aug 27 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I submitted some bug reports | Aug 27 16:43 |
| ThistleWeb | seems like a lot of feature blanks have been filled, but a lot more stull need to be filled | Aug 27 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, KDE3 distros are still around | Aug 27 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Upgrades are not a must yet | Aug 27 16:43 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: is Debian forcing move to kde4 after all? | Aug 27 16:43 |
| ThistleWeb | I keep hearing of amarok qt3 being amazing, while the new amarok qt4 is very flat with a lot of stuff missing | Aug 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I think of leaving amarok | Aug 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz | It rakes more ram then music is worth allocating to | Aug 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I might move back to xmms | Aug 27 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | I used to use it on pclinux | Aug 27 16:44 |
| amarsh04 | Current Debian stable is 3.5.9/3.5.10 | Aug 27 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont need a full music manager though | Aug 27 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | audacious suits me just fine | Aug 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Music is music | Aug 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz | You can't enhance it much | Aug 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz | And I know few who would stare at equalisers | Aug 27 16:45 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I disable them | Aug 27 16:45 |
| ThistleWeb | they just suck ram for no reason | Aug 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Amarok allocated 200-300MB and uses about 100MB | Aug 27 16:45 |
| amarsh04 | I'm inclined to believe that there will be some opposition to next release (Squeeze) getting KDE 4.X without things working well including some KDE 3.5.X apps known not to work under KDE 4.3.X | Aug 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Wasn't there a light amarok? | Aug 27 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I can't rememeber its name | Aug 27 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon kde 4.3 looks like it's ready for general consumption now | Aug 27 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm pretty sure I read about a lean version of amarok | Aug 27 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah there was | Aug 27 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | minirok | Aug 27 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Like Drizzle for mysql | Aug 27 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | I think | Aug 27 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Is it maintained? | Aug 27 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno | Aug 27 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | not tried it | Aug 27 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | it's in the ubuntu repos | Aug 27 16:47 |
| amarsh04 | audacious is still to resource intensive for me... I hand compiled xmms 1.2 (cdda .wav / mp3 / ogg / midi / s3m / wma / flac /...) | Aug 27 16:47 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd guess it's like a lot of kde stuff, in flux | Aug 27 16:47 |
| *schestowitz installs xmms | Aug 27 16:48 | |
| schestowitz | minirok isn't on my repos | Aug 27 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Exaile 0.3.0 has just been reelasd | Aug 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Supercomputers can run the Banshee | Aug 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Baaaaaaaaaaan She | Aug 27 16:49 |
| ThistleWeb | "a small music player written in Python and inspired by Amarok" | Aug 27 16:50 |
| ThistleWeb | http://chistera.yi.org/~adeodato/code/minirok/ | Aug 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Pythin? | Aug 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | *on | Aug 27 16:51 |
| ThistleWeb | according to ask.com that's the homepage for minirok | Aug 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it has amarok libs as prerequisites | Aug 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | So kind of like 'express' version | Aug 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Hungry | Aug 27 16:51 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I thought it was something else, I never looked beyond the name | Aug 27 16:52 |
| schestowitz | What's a very light music player? | Aug 27 16:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3855 | Aug 27 16:55 |
| MinceR | sox ;) | Aug 27 16:57 |
| MinceR | hm, catting .au files to /dev/dsp plays them in linux, right? | Aug 27 16:57 |
| MinceR | that would make cat a very light music player | Aug 27 16:57 |
| ThistleWeb | I think xmms is as about as light as yoi can go without going cli | Aug 27 16:57 |
| ThistleWeb | audacious is a sorta more modern gtk2 version of xmms | Aug 27 16:58 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a bit heavier on resources though, not much | Aug 27 16:58 |
| *schestowitz installs exhaile to try | Aug 27 17:00 | |
| ThistleWeb | breathe in.......now exhaile | Aug 27 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | inhaile* | Aug 27 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 27 17:01 |
| schestowitz | exhaile takes hal;f the ram amarok does | Aug 27 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I can live with that | Aug 27 17:01 |
| schestowitz | But it's gtk *cough* | Aug 27 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | feature wise I didn't notice much between exaile, rythmbox, banshee or amarok | Aug 27 17:02 |
| ThistleWeb | they all seem comparable | Aug 27 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't do global shortcuts, eh? | Aug 27 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Even xmms could do that with the right plugins] | Aug 27 17:02 |
| trmanco | ah right | Aug 27 17:02 |
| trmanco | I also have an old version of exaile around here | Aug 27 17:03 |
| trmanco | I like audacious better | Aug 27 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno, I've used audacious for quite a while now | Aug 27 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I even did an HPR episode on it | Aug 27 17:03 |
| trmanco | it has a fantastic EQ | Aug 27 17:03 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 27 17:03 |
| schestowitz | There's a plugin | Aug 27 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Found it | Aug 27 17:04 |
| ThistleWeb | audacious seems to work well at being an icon on the system tray, kept out of the way, and controlled with the multimedia keys on my keyboard | Aug 27 17:04 |
| trmanco | in my case, it has it's own little space in my second desktop area | Aug 27 17:05 |
| trmanco | right under xchat | Aug 27 17:05 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, it's discrete and just does it's job | Aug 27 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one of the apps I install on every distro | Aug 27 17:06 |
| schestowitz | It's installed and enables, but not taking shortcuts | Aug 27 17:06 |
| *MinceR is using audacious | Aug 27 17:07 | |
| trmanco | :-) | Aug 27 17:07 |
| MinceR | i've just finished playing a .dmf file with it :> | Aug 27 17:07 |
| trmanco | wtf | Aug 27 17:07 |
| trmanco | yeah | Aug 27 17:07 |
| trmanco | it kinda plays any type of file | Aug 27 17:07 |
| trmanco | :-P | Aug 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Exaile 0.3.0 Has Finally Been Released [Linux] http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/08/exaile-030-has-finally-been-released.html | Aug 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Python-based | Aug 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Exaile... I'm quite liking it so far. I used it VERY briefly before. | Aug 27 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Isn't Rhythmbox very similar? | Aug 27 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Rhythmbox came with old Ubuntu, IIRC | Aug 27 17:19 |
| ThistleWeb | rythmbox has always been the music player in ubuntu as far as I know | Aug 27 17:20 |
| ThistleWeb | which may or may not be displaced with banshee, depending on whether the mono peeps get their way | Aug 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz | I just installed xmms in Ubuntu whenever I installed it | Aug 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz | With the collection loaded up, exaile got a little chubbier | Aug 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz | 85of RAM, 190 allocated | Aug 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz | *MB | Aug 27 17:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I didn't notice much between the media managers | Aug 27 17:22 |
| ThistleWeb | but I dont need or want most of those functions, so I didn't spend much time with any of them to really start to notice stuff | Aug 27 17:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I believe any of these players will bloat when you add your collections in, the larger the collection the more the bloat | Aug 27 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | some peeps like to use databases to help spread the load | Aug 27 17:26 |
| MinceR | help spread the bloat | Aug 27 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, but I think there's always gonna be some bloat with that type of feature, it's a case of minimising it as much as you can, or at least minimising the effects of it | Aug 27 17:29 |
| amarsh04 | maybe I should try audacious again | Aug 27 17:29 |
| trmanco | you should | Aug 27 17:30 |
| trmanco | been using it for more than a year | Aug 27 17:30 |
| trmanco | before that is was xmms | Aug 27 17:31 |
| schestowitz | it has awn integration | Aug 27 17:31 |
| ThistleWeb | audacious often gets overlooked, and it's a great lil music player | Aug 27 17:31 |
| amarsh04 | xmms give me 6 Meg resident, 53 Meg virtual and 3 percent cpu playing 320 kbps mp3 on this PII-266 | Aug 27 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I still can't get the global shortcuts extension to work | Aug 27 17:31 |
| tessier | Vietnam is in a bad spot as far as software development goes. | Aug 27 17:31 |
| schestowitz | The MSBBC only ever covers one console. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8224103.stm | Aug 27 17:33 |
| amarsh04 | audacious2 gives me 22 Meg resident, 162 Meg virtual, 24 percent cpu playing a streaming 128 kbps mp3 | Aug 27 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Got to help that company from Redmond, not the Japanese one, thinks the MSBBC | Aug 27 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Free adverts | Aug 27 17:33 |
| schestowitz | 'Artificial trees' to cut carbon < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8223528.stm > that's new, right? | Aug 27 17:34 |
| amarsh04 | xmms on the same stream 7.5 meg resident, 64 meg virtual, 0.9 percent cpu | Aug 27 17:34 |
| amarsh04 | I heard the artificial tree story but didn't hear how they absorb CO2 | Aug 27 17:35 |
| schestowitz | it's all money... "Climate change 'to cost more than £300 billion'" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ | Aug 27 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Money, money, money | Aug 27 17:35 |
| amarsh04 | trmanco, I rest my case | Aug 27 17:35 |
| schestowitz | "How much will that /cost/?" | Aug 27 17:35 |
| amarsh04 | it will cost your ability to have a habitable planet | Aug 27 17:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @phoronix: Canonical Unveils The Ubuntu Software Store http://ff.im/-7fhLa | Aug 27 17:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google HQ had a fire http://ping.fm/vIK2q | Aug 27 17:39 | |
| schestowitz | App Store Gets Twice the Downloads of Android Market < http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed/~3/bvzllrdFK6k/app-store-gets-twice-the-downloads-of-android-market > | Aug 27 17:39 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: business does not account for extranalities | Aug 27 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Pollution too is treated like a RoI cost | Aug 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | "How much will we /earn/ for helping the environment?" | Aug 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Needless to say, deaths don't mean losses | Aug 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | In fact, deaths are sometimes beneficial to profit | Aug 27 17:40 |
| amarsh04 | dead people don't complain | Aug 27 17:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, "prayer helps because many people are alive to talk about how prayer saved their lives." | Aug 27 17:43 |
| schestowitz | In fact, you couldn't find a single one that claims otherwise | Aug 27 17:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fail. http://ping.fm/BnEb3 | Aug 27 17:44 | |
| ThistleWeb | the bottom of the bbc xbox story does quote peeps favouring the ps3 though | Aug 27 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Incompetence a bigger IT security threat than malign insiders < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/rsa_accidental_security_breach_survey/ > | Aug 27 17:47 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I didn't read it, but the key message seems to be "discount! Bargain" | Aug 27 17:47 |
| ThistleWeb | they also had a story about the new smaller ps3's too | Aug 27 17:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't recall them writing about ps3 slim | Aug 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Oh, did they? | Aug 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I must have miss it | Aug 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | *ed | Aug 27 17:48 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm sure they did | Aug 27 17:48 |
| ThistleWeb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8207472.stm | Aug 27 17:49 |
| ThistleWeb | ps3 price cuts | Aug 27 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha. SCO still up creek, searching for paddle despite appeal win | Aug 27 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1015_signs.jpg | Aug 27 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | although, http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/01/ps3_glass_half_full_or_empty_1.html should be taken into account as a balance | Aug 27 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | hang on, that's 2008 | Aug 27 17:52 |
| ThistleWeb | just noticed | Aug 27 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm....... Review: HP 1120NR Netbook < http://www.osnews.com/story/22033/Review_HP_1120NR_Netbook > | Aug 27 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Eugenia Loli-Queru back | Aug 27 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Second Degree Murder and Six Other Crimes Cheaper than Pirating Music http://gizmodo.com/5344159/second-degree-murder-and-six-other-crimes-cheaper-than-pirating-music%5D | Aug 27 17:56 |
| schestowitz | :"Rationalizing Torture" < http://reason.com/news/show/135700.html > | Aug 27 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Imagine what if UK and US citizens who were _suspects_ got tortures in Asian countries.... | Aug 27 18:00 |
| schestowitz | *tured | Aug 27 18:00 |
| MinceR | depends on the relations between the big bosses | Aug 27 18:04 |
| schestowitz | "Merck seems to have paid various US medical associations to support its advertising campaign for Gardasil. " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#27%20August%202009%20%28Merck%20knows%20how%20to%20grease%20a%20doctor%27s%20palm%29 | Aug 27 18:04 |
| MinceR | also, we probably wouldn't find out | Aug 27 18:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: corporations, you mean? | Aug 27 18:04 |
| MinceR | yes | Aug 27 18:05 |
| schestowitz | "ScottishPower is to build turbines in the Sound of Islay that will generate enough electricity for the island's 3,500 inhabitants – and its famous distilleries" http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/25/scottish-power-islay-tidal | Aug 27 18:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: MSFT loses some seats in the US regime | Aug 27 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Market cap is roughly a good reflectant on how many lawyer-puppet like Barnet you can corrupt | Aug 27 18:06 |
| schestowitz | "As the banks were going broke, they paid huge bonuses out of the bailouts the US gave them. In effect, robbing all of us." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#27%20August%202009%20%28Big%20US%20Banks%20steal%20from%20taxpayers%29 | Aug 27 18:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: billg has upgraded from corpohead to intl' lobbyist | Aug 27 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Making nations addicted to US drugs | Aug 27 18:07 |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Alpha_Announcement | Aug 27 18:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-27-011-35-NW-MS-LL-0001 | Aug 27 18:27 |
| *tessier is feeling more and more anti-MS sentiment. | Aug 27 18:28 | |
| tessier | Even on the comments on news articles there is rarely a time when someone doesn't suggest Linux and pan MS | Aug 27 18:28 |
| cubezzz | never liked MIcrosoft, I was panned them in the 80's | Aug 27 18:29 |
| cubezzz | panning | Aug 27 18:29 |
| cubezzz | FOSS was a quantum leap forward | Aug 27 18:31 |
| tessier | I was panning them shortly after I discovered Linux in 1994 | Aug 27 18:31 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Aug 27 18:31 |
| tessier | I am reading a message about the crazy rate of mutation in windows malware | Aug 27 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | at least the malware is inovative on windows | Aug 27 18:33 |
| cubezzz | my attitude these days is if I can program for it, it's good, otherwise... | Aug 27 18:33 |
| ThistleWeb | if not the platform they use as a base | Aug 27 18:33 |
| cubezzz | a bit of anti-FSF sentiment on slashdot today :-/ | Aug 27 18:34 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah childish stunts do get a backlash | Aug 27 18:34 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft should not have a death-grip on the educational sector though | Aug 27 18:35 |
| tessier | hah....I get an email from "paypal": We have detected a slight error in your billing information... | Aug 27 18:36 |
| tessier | With an HTML document attached which consists of: <!-- | Aug 27 18:36 |
| tessier | document.write(unescape('%3C%21%44%4F%43% | Aug 27 18:36 |
| ThistleWeb | as much as I agree with the FSF goals, some of the stunts they pull to help the cause leave rather cool on them | Aug 27 18:36 |
| tessier | A huge escaped document, no doubt an encoded phishing page. Funny. | Aug 27 18:36 |
| tessier | ThistleWeb: Which stunts in particular? | Aug 27 18:36 |
| cubezzz | Stallman eating toe-skin? :) | Aug 27 18:37 |
| tessier | ThistleWeb: In generael I agree. I wish Free Software had better advocates. | Aug 27 18:37 |
| cubezzz | that just adds to his Legend | Aug 27 18:37 |
| ThistleWeb | the badvista, windows7sins, and the apple genius harrassing | Aug 27 18:37 |
| tessier | ThistleWeb: I'm not sure those things are any different from other marketing efforts. | Aug 27 18:37 |
| tessier | ThistleWeb: "piracy" and "communism" and "cancer" etc. | Aug 27 18:37 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd prefer them to be positive about why free software is good, rather than go negative on other companies / products | Aug 27 18:38 |
| *ThistleWeb has never been keen on negative campaigns | Aug 27 18:38 | |
| tessier | I think history shows you get best results by using a bit of both. | Aug 27 18:38 |
| cubezzz | going negative doesn't always work | Aug 27 18:38 |
| ThistleWeb | politicians from most parties only know negative, it turns peeps off | Aug 27 18:38 |
| ThistleWeb | it's all the voters hear, from every party, is negative...so the result is that peeps think they're all the same | Aug 27 18:39 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd rather the FSF be positive | Aug 27 18:39 |
| ThistleWeb | show they're NOT like Apple or MS | Aug 27 18:40 |
| tessier | They do talk a lot about freedom and the benefits of free software. | Aug 27 18:40 |
| ThistleWeb | but these stunts don't help give an impression of a mature campaign | Aug 27 18:40 |
| ThistleWeb | to me at any rate | Aug 27 18:40 |
| cubezzz | I think Linux and FOSS appeals much more to the programmer than the average computer user | Aug 27 18:40 |
| cubezzz | but if there's a cost savings, that appeals to just about everyone | Aug 27 18:41 |
| ThistleWeb | the FSF highlighting stuff like vendor lockin, or DRM etc is great, but in a mature but fair way | Aug 27 18:41 |
| ThistleWeb | take the apple genius bar stunt for example | Aug 27 18:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the staff have to like macs, their wages are dependant on it, or at least giving the impression of it | Aug 27 18:43 |
| cubezzz | a lot of people really don't like vista | Aug 27 18:43 |
| ThistleWeb | chances are, they do like macs, and only know 2 options, windows or apple | Aug 27 18:43 |
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| ThistleWeb | so harrassing someone who's never heard of your software, nor are they interested is gonna get you nowhere | Aug 27 18:44 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's down to winning over customers | Aug 27 18:44 |
| ThistleWeb | many customers in the apple stores are apple fans | Aug 27 18:44 |
| ThistleWeb | the rest are potential apple fans | Aug 27 18:44 |
| ThistleWeb | you're not gonna win the apple fans over | Aug 27 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | that leaves those who are undecided | Aug 27 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | but already interested in apple | Aug 27 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | who also probably only know apple or windows | Aug 27 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | many apple customers are anything-but-windows, rather than pro-windows | Aug 27 18:46 |
| ThistleWeb | pro-apple* | Aug 27 18:46 |
| ThistleWeb | so the first they hear of this new thing called free software, or linux, is a bunch of asshats wasting the time of an apple employee by making a scene | Aug 27 18:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] A quick look at KDE 4.3.0 : http://tinyurl.com/nxbrht | Aug 27 18:47 | |
| ThistleWeb | in all likelyhood, even the non-apple fans in the store will feel sympathy for the employee and side with them | Aug 27 18:47 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's a stunt that backfires | Aug 27 18:47 |
| ThistleWeb | it looks petty | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's reactionary | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | The FSF attacks nobody | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | If the FSF says Microsoft bribed ISO official,... | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Is that an attack? | Aug 27 18:48 |
| ThistleWeb | and it plays into the hands of peeps who want to portray us as obsessed nutters | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Does the cop in the street attack shoplifters? | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure the anti-FSF AstroTurf get paid overtime ATM | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Building sympathy for Microsoft and all | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has PR people to do such stuff | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | TEs too | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | They send them to blogs and to /. too | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | DOn't fall for their talking point and stuff | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | And they'll demonise RMS too | Aug 27 18:49 |
| ThistleWeb | in the apple case, they encourage peeps to waste the genius bar staff's time, cause a scene peacefully, by asking questions about drm etc | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Even if it means pulling a few seconds from 10,000s of archived hours/minutes of video footage | Aug 27 18:50 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I know they do | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Ok | Aug 27 18:50 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd just rather the FSF took the moral high ground and stayed positive | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2009/08/27/aspray-infomercial/ | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Well, whatever | Aug 27 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I'm happy they spoke out | Aug 27 18:51 |
| schestowitz | BN got a lot of flak for just staying what the FSF wouldn't. | Aug 27 18:51 |
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| ThistleWeb | damn, closed the wrong window there | Aug 27 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Dell and HP rush to Microsoft's defence < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1531734/dell-hp-rush-microsoft-defence > | Aug 27 18:52 |
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| zoobab01 | pong | Aug 27 19:06 |
| zoobab01 | someone should file an Amicus Brief showing that MS really infringes | Aug 27 19:07 |
| schestowitz | i4i? | Aug 27 19:07 |
| zoobab01 | MS has its lawyers trying to win time, submitting the patent for revision, etc.... | Aug 27 19:07 |
| zoobab01 | anyone | Aug 27 19:08 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/db/viewby.php?dbn=13&uid=115 | Aug 27 19:08 |
| zoobab01 | maybe it is even possible from someone outside of the US | Aug 27 19:08 |
| zoobab01 | nice list | Aug 27 19:09 |
| zoobab01 | may be infringing | Aug 27 19:09 |
| schestowitz | What happened to Digital Majority? | Aug 27 19:09 |
| zoobab01 | I have very few contributors | Aug 27 19:10 |
| zoobab01 | outsourcing patent lobbying to the ccommunity does not work | Aug 27 19:10 |
| zoobab01 | especially the Free Software one | Aug 27 19:10 |
| zoobab01 | maybe I should replace the links collection by a Delicious plugin? | Aug 27 19:12 |
| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE | Aug 27 19:14 |
| trmanco | here is nokia new linux phone | Aug 27 19:14 |
| trmanco | nokia's | Aug 27 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | the n900? | Aug 27 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | that looks sleek | Aug 27 19:15 |
| trmanco | yeah | Aug 27 19:15 |
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| ThistleWeb | looks like a nice phone, even better that it runs linux | Aug 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz | They use COmpiz | Aug 27 19:17 |
| schestowitz | You can see the Wall Plugin | Aug 27 19:17 |
| schestowitz | NEat | Aug 27 19:17 |
| zoobab01 | http://eeegadgets.blogspot.com/2009/03/howto-add-3ghsdpa-functionality-to-your.html | Aug 27 19:18 |
| zoobab01 | do you know how to make such banner on the top left? | Aug 27 19:18 |
| zoobab01 | "Power to the People of Iran" | Aug 27 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | zoobab01: it looks like a transparent png | Aug 27 19:19 |
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| ThistleWeb | square one | Aug 27 19:19 |
| ThistleWeb | with plenty of transparency | Aug 27 19:19 |
| *schestowitz moved back to xmms, for now | Aug 27 19:19 | |
| ThistleWeb | some sites do layers on pages, not sure how that works, but the fact that it sits over the blogspot login part suggests it may be a layer on top. Possibly Javascript? | Aug 27 19:20 |
| schestowitz | The phones that give Apple and RIM a run for the money, feature-wise, are Linux-based | Aug 27 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Web OS, Nokia's Maemo, Android.. | Aug 27 19:21 |
| ThistleWeb | though I disable javascript and I see it on top, so maybe not | Aug 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | For RIM and Apple it's expensive to maintain their own OS alone | Aug 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/27/microsoft_exfat_licensing_deal_tuxera/ | Aug 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/27/sharp_linux_arm_netbook/ | Aug 27 19:22 |
| schestowitz | PDAs are back | Aug 27 19:22 |
| cubezzz | checking :) | Aug 27 19:23 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft’s Zune general marketing manager has quit the firm." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/27/chris_stephenson_zune_exec_quits/ | Aug 27 19:23 |
| ThistleWeb | the image will be a transparent .png though | Aug 27 19:23 |
| schestowitz | the head of the project quit too and it took ages to find a replacement for him. | Aug 27 19:24 |
| cubezzz | it's either a tiny netbook or a honking big PDA :) | Aug 27 19:25 |
| gmzlj | i wish they'd start making them bigger | Aug 27 19:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/27/virgin_email/ | Aug 27 19:26 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: indeed | Aug 27 19:26 |
| schestowitz | But keyboard... | Aug 27 19:26 |
| ThistleWeb | http://blog.rebellen.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/power-iran-tle.png <<thats the image, take into the GIMP and disect it | Aug 27 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Runs for long, like a PDA | Aug 27 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Fits in your lady purse! :-p | Aug 27 19:26 |
| cubezzz | ten hours battery-time sounds good | Aug 27 19:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] just attacked #wikipedia press queue. good lord. set it up to alert me in future. otrs is horrible, just less worse than everything else. | Aug 27 19:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Wittylama mako: #Wikipedia got rated 3.5 stars on [[anal fistular]] by journal - Diseases of the Colon & Rectum 51:257-261 | Aug 27 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | What will Zune do next? | Aug 27 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Next stop: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/msftmemorial5.html | Aug 27 19:33 |
| schestowitz | They have a memorial lane there | Aug 27 19:33 |
| gmzlj | i remember encarta as a kid | Aug 27 19:34 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft Dogs? | Aug 27 19:37 |
| gmzlj | microsoft wine guide? | Aug 27 19:38 |
| cubezzz | I'm benchmarking the ol' sl-5500 and it's taking forever | Aug 27 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | Man Uses Linux and CD Tray to Rock Baby to Sleep < http://www.switched.com/2009/08/26/man-uses-linux-and-cd-tray-to-rock-baby-to-sleep/ > | Aug 27 20:01 |
| cubezzz | does linux have a built-in benchmarking proggie? | Aug 27 20:03 |
| cubezzz | integer math is good enough for what I need | Aug 27 20:04 |
| schestowitz | PTS? | Aug 27 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Not built in | Aug 27 20:06 |
| sl-5500 was not a speed daemon. what are you running on it, cubezz? | Aug 27 20:07 | |
| the kernel has "bogo mips" | Aug 27 20:07 | |
| cat /proc/cpuinfo | Aug 27 20:08 | |
| cubezzz | I'm using this program I found called flops | Aug 27 20:08 |
| cubezzz | 137.21 | Aug 27 20:09 |
| cubezzz | from "cat /proc/cpuinfo" | Aug 27 20:09 |
| that's a little slow for a 200 MHz ARM, but then again it's bogus mips | Aug 27 20:09 | |
| and it's very good for a 5W device | Aug 27 20:10 | |
| cubezzz | does bogo mips account for multiple cpus? | Aug 27 20:12 |
| cubezzz | ok, it's bogus :) | Aug 27 20:15 |
| schestowitz | I have a good post coming about the Nokia N900 | Aug 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I also finally got a YouTube downloader working in a streamlined fashion, so I'll have ogg of their demo | Aug 27 20:19 |
| there's bogo mips for each cpu | Aug 27 20:19 | |
| *schestowitz moved back from xmms to exaile. Still experimenting... | Aug 27 20:19 | |
| amarok and VLC here | Aug 27 20:20 | |
| I wish amarok did videos | Aug 27 20:20 | |
| it probably does but I have not used it in a while | Aug 27 20:21 | |
| just using VLC for quick play | Aug 27 20:21 | |
| schestowitz | Windows Loses Money, Linux Nears the $1 Billion Mark < http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Loses-Money-Linux-Nears-the-1-Billion-Mark-120207.shtml > | Aug 27 20:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It's reasonable to come to the realisation that Microsoft is passe because the challenges in mobile and desktop are both Apple. | Aug 27 20:26 | |
| Wow, sharp netbook looks fantastic | Aug 27 20:26 | |
| optical trackpad? that could be very nice | Aug 27 20:26 | |
| if only they have not goofed the kernel with non free binary crapolla, it's a winner. | Aug 27 20:27 | |
| Sharp's screens are very good | Aug 27 20:27 | |
| if only the thing flipped, so you could use it as a PDA, it would be very very nice | Aug 27 20:28 | |
| Debian + E16 + xstroke would be very cool. | Aug 27 20:29 | |
| bbl | Aug 27 20:29 | |
| schestowitz | Sharp launch Linux based Netwalker in Japan http://www.h-online.com/open/Sharp-launch-Linux-based-Netwalker-in-Japan--/news/114103 | Aug 27 20:29 |
| cubezzz | seems Sharp is still supporting Linux | Aug 27 20:31 |
| cubezzz | oh, they're both the same thing :) | Aug 27 20:40 |
| MinceR | what's great about an optical trackpad? | Aug 27 20:41 |
| schestowitz | The "optical" !! | Aug 27 20:49 |
| MinceR | meh | Aug 27 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! First he goes working for Microsoft and now this: Funtoo’s Website is Designed for Internet Explorer < http://ciaranm.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/funtoos-website-is-designed-for-internet-explorer/ > | Aug 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Is the Loch Ness monster on Google Earth? yes, YES! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to beeeeelive! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/6091308/Is-the-Loch-Ness-monster-on-Google-Earth.html | Aug 27 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Review: Swiss Army Swiss Flash 8gb < http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_swiss_army_swiss_flash_8gb/ > Stupid. They format with FAT | Aug 27 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft should be forced to support ext3 | Aug 27 21:14 |
| schestowitz | By the EU COmmision | Aug 27 21:14 |
| schestowitz | popey gets a lift from the Outlaws too: http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/08/oggcamp09/ | Aug 27 21:15 |
| schestowitz | More attacks on the GPL: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/08/27/gplv2-decline-and-debate-on-open-source-licenses/ | Aug 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Fueled by Microsoft's Black *uck software | Aug 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Levin et al | Aug 27 21:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNOME Invites More Women http://ping.fm/woCHz | Aug 27 21:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kerala Officials to Get GNU/Linux Notebooks http://ping.fm/49uXN | Aug 27 21:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Baby Goes to Sleep with GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/LVVI2 | Aug 27 21:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Touch Book Introduces Exciting Software on GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/9UGBt | Aug 27 22:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Users Explain the Joys of Running It http://ping.fm/ynN1p http://ping.fm/tMbkC | Aug 27 22:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Considered Move Friendly on the Desktop http://ping.fm/3aCEA http://ping.fm/cxfED | Aug 27 22:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cray Buys More Linux Cluster/Server-oriented Assets http://ping.fm/3fRkf | Aug 27 22:10 | |
| trmanco | omfg | Aug 27 22:10 |
| trmanco | what a spam email I've received | Aug 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Show pls | Aug 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I keep getting VIsta 7 spam | Aug 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Got some today | Aug 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 promotion | Aug 27 22:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Measurement of the Improved Boot Time in Linux http://ping.fm/h0MYS | Aug 27 22:11 | |
| schestowitz | Very odd | Aug 27 22:11 |
| trmanco | Subject: Is Apple a gay-device? | Aug 27 22:11 |
| trmanco | but I didn't open it | Aug 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Well..... | Aug 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Is it? | Aug 27 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hired people for some anti-Google E-mail | Aug 27 22:11 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Let me show you | Aug 27 22:12 |
| trmanco | ah great | Aug 27 22:12 |
| trmanco | you open it and what I get is some advert of aging pills | Aug 27 22:12 |
| trmanco | jeez | Aug 27 22:12 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/15/microsofts-whisper-campaign-goog/ | Aug 27 22:12 |
| trmanco | I open* | Aug 27 22:12 |
| schestowitz | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/What-An-AntiGoogle-Whisper-siliconalley-15415021.html?.v=5 | Aug 27 22:12 |
| schestowitz | I see.. | Aug 27 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Some it sells some pills | Aug 27 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they get past fanboiz' filters if it has apple in it | Aug 27 22:13 |
| schestowitz | RULE "Apple" +9999 | Aug 27 22:13 |
| schestowitz | RULE "iphone" omfg ipod luv +99999999999!!!11 | Aug 27 22:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple and Microsoft Take a Lesson from GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/bJNiz | Aug 27 22:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Exaile 0.3.0 Released http://ping.fm/2wt3D I've just fetched Exaile and made it my default music player. | Aug 27 22:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Outlaws Releases New Show and Puts Weight Behind @popey 's OggCamp 2009 http://ping.fm/3KfT2 | Aug 27 22:25 | |
| popey | schestowitz: just so you know.. oggcamp wasnt my idea :) | Aug 27 22:27 |
| popey | although both podcasts kinda came up with it at the same time | Aug 27 22:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video Overview of BackTrack 4 (GNU/Linux) http://ping.fm/ssMft | Aug 27 22:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ClarkConnect Now Called ClearOS http://ping.fm/2Wi51 | Aug 27 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | popey: ah, OK. | Aug 27 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm a big ogg fan | Aug 27 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Need to get rid of FLash | Aug 27 22:27 |
| popey | heh | Aug 27 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Will post two oggs I transcoded today... tomorrow | Aug 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Radio NZ does oggs now... just need to raise awareness and public demand | Aug 27 22:28 |
| popey | i use a nice greasemonkey script that plays youtube using the video player of choice, and not flash | Aug 27 22:28 |
| popey | works very nicely | Aug 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I use another greaSEMONEY tool | Aug 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It lost compat. | Aug 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | FF 3.5 or YouTUbe changes | Aug 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Now there's another plugin | Aug 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Which lets you download and transcode in one click | Aug 27 22:29 |
| popey | http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/38074 | Aug 27 22:29 |
| popey | thats the one I use | Aug 27 22:29 |
| schestowitz | "DownloadHelper" | Aug 27 22:29 |
| popey | on ff 3.5 | Aug 27 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Ta | Aug 27 22:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Beats Oracle at GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/WEuhw | Aug 27 22:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora 12 Aiming at Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/2XJNN | Aug 27 22:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Gets Flashy http://ping.fm/uYScw http://ping.fm/Rkz75 | Aug 27 22:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canonical to Open a Ubuntu Store http://ping.fm/tv8NK | Aug 27 22:36 | |
| trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/fire-at-googles-london-office-24671 | Aug 27 22:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] BT/Yahoo Portal Now Powered By … Not Yahoo, Not Bing, Google!: http://is.gd/2CDon || Somebody is going to get fired :-P | Aug 27 22:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SimplyMepis Receives Good Reviews Even from Windows Users http://ping.fm/tfk2a http://ping.fm/sfYcK | Aug 27 22:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] HTML 5 Drafts Published: http://is.gd/2CDv2 | Aug 27 22:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ruggedised Computer Runs GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/lAuzh | Aug 27 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, posted a pic earlier | Aug 27 22:42 |
| schestowitz | That's why DCs emit a lot of pollutants, I guess. | Aug 27 22:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Palm's Linux-based OS Bound to Improve http://ping.fm/Ag5yF | Aug 27 22:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BSA Helps the Free Software Movement Like MAFIAA Alienates Customers http://ping.fm/3zovJ | Aug 27 22:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] American Civil Liberties Union Kicks in Gear http://ping.fm/TlAW1 http://ping.fm/UI3yo | Aug 27 22:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Real-world Example of Free Software Beating Microsoft at Security http://ping.fm/EB8HR | Aug 27 22:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Commenting in Free Software Programming (That Everyone Can See) http://ping.fm/nm6vU | Aug 27 22:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] iPhone vs Rock: http://is.gd/2CFoy | Aug 27 23:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] False Promises of Net Neutrality in the US; Tiered Web in Holland http://ping.fm/z7243 http://ping.fm/8Nh8t | Aug 27 23:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US Courts Surrender to Free Software Access to PACER http://ping.fm/JXenC | Aug 27 23:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nintendo Surrenders to Ineffectual Monopolist, TiVo Turns Into One http://ping.fm/QQ4uf http://ping.fm/35RAD | Aug 27 23:08 | |
| ThistleWeb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8225731.stm <<spotify approved on the iphone for £10 subscription. The cynical part of me wonders if there's any connection to the FTC questions and an attempt to deflect criticism | Aug 27 23:08 |
| trmanco | http://www.askmen.com/daily/blogs/technology/google-offers-free-internet-tech-news.html | Aug 27 23:08 |
| ThistleWeb | still, requiring a subscription makes it less attractive | Aug 27 23:09 |
| ThistleWeb | question is, did spotify insist on a premium subscription, or did Apple | Aug 27 23:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO Gets Babysitter http://ping.fm/7dzCY | Aug 27 23:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Banksters from Goldman Sachs Misappropriate Free Software http://ping.fm/2jbvd | Aug 27 23:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] @schestowitz can you use a redirection service like tr.im or bit.lt that uses 302 redirects? ping.fm's behavior is annoying. | Aug 27 23:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] @schestowitz can you use a redirection service like tr.im or bit.ly that uses 302 redirects? ping.fm's behavior is annoying. | Aug 27 23:14 | |
| amarsh04 | hmm, a house in Adelaide burned down yesterday while the residents were out due to a fire from a games console that was left on and covered with clothes | Aug 27 23:15 |
| amarsh04 | no mention of the brand of games console | Aug 27 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | aside from the brand issue, is this how the education system prepares us for the outside world? mains powered, hot running electrical gadgets dont need space to ventilate? That covering them up with flamable materials won't be a problem? | Aug 27 23:17 |
| ThistleWeb | unless when the clothes were flung onto it, there was enough weight from the clothes to turn it on, and with it being underneath everything nobody knew it was on | Aug 27 23:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Zune is So Obviously Dead http://ping.fm/lZKmA | Aug 27 23:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New York Times Finally Mentions Windows as Insecurity Culprit http://ping.fm/N4VDy | Aug 27 23:19 | |
| ThistleWeb | a soft on / off button can be easily triggered accidentally | Aug 27 23:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple iPhones Exploding Left and Right http://ping.fm/zrBYv http://ping.fm/g2nGq | Aug 27 23:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia is well ahead of Apple's toys. http://ping.fm/rU9hk Compiz, GNU, Linux, Qt, GTK, etc. | Aug 27 23:24 | |
| trmanco | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/novell-revenue-dips-12-profit-meets-views-2009-08-27?siteid=rss&rss=1 | Aug 27 23:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia Likely Entering a GNU/Linux-only (ARM) Sub-notebooks Market http://ping.fm/tY2sp | Aug 27 23:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sharp Presents Wonderful GNU/Linux-only (ARM) Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/vY1Rs http://ping.fm/j4NJL http://ping.fm/p3tCL | Aug 27 23:28 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ta | Aug 27 23:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quick Mention: Novell Revenue Falls Sharply and Misses Expectations http://ping.fm/m2eVu | Aug 27 23:38 | |
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| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: latest tech weekly podcast from the guardian seems rather anti-google, 3 stories, 1 - open book alliance, 2 - pirate dilema, mentioning how google are accused by news vendors of pirating their content, then 3 - company having to fight to be recognised in google search | Aug 27 23:42 |
| ThistleWeb | all in all, a good 30mins worth | Aug 27 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Watch this: http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv037_dls_4_foreman_00-00_005.ogg | Aug 27 23:59 |
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