| _goblin | schestowitz: Sorry, roy I missed your q... | Sep 02 00:00 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: what .net apps? | Sep 02 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, Xubuntu is supposedly for minimal systems and it all runs OK until you load Firefox | Sep 02 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | then the browser alone is using at least twice the RAM of Xubuntu itself | Sep 02 00:00 |
| trmanco | go bullshit some other channel | Sep 02 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a good fit for a resource-conservative system | Sep 02 00:00 |
| _goblin | ok....blame FF then. | Sep 02 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | which is why they've adopted Midori as the official XFCE browser in their goodies assortment | Sep 02 00:01 |
| _goblin | so whats the issue? | Sep 02 00:01 |
| trmanco | right | Sep 02 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is still packing in Firefox | Sep 02 00:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Elf needs food, badly. | Sep 02 00:01 | |
| _goblin | and? | Sep 02 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | it makes no sense whatsoever | Sep 02 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | how many fucking things are called midori | Sep 02 00:01 |
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| _goblin | niether does the massive duplication in #!CBL, but theres always the option to remove/install | Sep 02 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox on Xubuntu is like having an ant try to carry an elephant | Sep 02 00:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: 'Net Apps' | Sep 02 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: oh shut up | Sep 02 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Apple-, Microsoft-, Opera-sponsored | Sep 02 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Let's not fuel the nonsense | Sep 02 00:02 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: what .net apps did I link to? | Sep 02 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | so now schestowitz is trying to slander Opera too | Sep 02 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: op me | Sep 02 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, I knew that wouldn't take long | Sep 02 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I can't trust you with that language | Sep 02 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The "not one of us, unnnnghhhhhh" routine is being applied a little thick don't you think? | Sep 02 00:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dont worry, Im not going to say anything | Sep 02 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | I mean every application that won't give up the source code and all that | Sep 02 00:03 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: sorry Roy, I understood the Q, but I didnt know what you were refering to in me linking to them... | Sep 02 00:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: Im not one of them either | Sep 02 00:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're warned nonetheless | Sep 02 00:03 |
| schestowitz | You troll a lot tonight | Sep 02 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Take a prozac, will you? | Sep 02 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Or Ritalin, whatever the Doc prescribed | Sep 02 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | right after the pod people take theirs | Sep 02 00:04 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, lol | Sep 02 00:04 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, what a visual ;)) | Sep 02 00:05 |
| neighborlee | ant better have mechanical implants o_0 | Sep 02 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | they're plants, not freaking cyborgs | Sep 02 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | get your scifi straight | Sep 02 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 02 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | the Borg is Microsoft | Sep 02 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | the FSF is the pod people | Sep 02 00:06 |
| _goblin | I look at MS as more like the Shadows from Babylon 5 | Sep 02 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the Shadows, they were cool | Sep 02 00:06 |
| _goblin | to be fair, they were. | Sep 02 00:06 |
| _goblin | but they were sneaky | Sep 02 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | you figure Microsoft will give me shadow skin and plasma beams for my battleships? | Sep 02 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Sep 02 00:07 |
| _goblin | yep, and its controler would be a Psicore version of Ballmer... | Sep 02 00:07 |
| trmanco | more like skin and blue screens for you battleships | Sep 02 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, so does that make MSCEs and MVPs the telepaths with the implants in their heads that pilot the shadow vessels? | Sep 02 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 00:07 |
| _goblin | yep, all the ones that BSOD'd and were buried on Mars when they were whipped by the Vorlons. | Sep 02 00:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Note how much the "cloud" looks like a poo http://is.gd/2LXRO | Sep 02 00:08 | |
| DaemonFC | and can we in fact disable the battle fleet amassing in Mars orbit by Earth beacon 001 by using these people? | Sep 02 00:08 |
| _goblin | and the Minbari....you can't accuse me of not knowing my sci fi | Sep 02 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I knew I heard screaming in my head whenever I powered on my computer | Sep 02 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | I had wondered about that | Sep 02 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Sep 02 00:09 |
| _goblin | thats the fan....its the CPU overheating from too much bloat of Windows. | Sep 02 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | actually, the CPU is running well within the expected temperature range | Sep 02 00:10 |
| _goblin | even Skynet would have had trouble running Vista at a decent speed. | Sep 02 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | even if I overclock it by 25% | Sep 02 00:10 |
| _goblin | I think I'll stop there before sci talk annoys the decent people here on BN chat. | Sep 02 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | there you go, Windows 7 will achieve sentience and try wipe out the humans with our nuclear stockpile | Sep 02 00:11 |
| _goblin | one more: Get your sci fi right DaemonFC, it wasnt an OS that evolved Skynet...it was the network of computers composed of the internet.... | Sep 02 00:12 |
| _goblin | collective CPU intelligence... | Sep 02 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | right right, but it was a botnet | Sep 02 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | collectively, it became intelligent | Sep 02 00:12 |
| _goblin | that rules out MS ever having a hand in Skynet then. | Sep 02 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | well, perhaps, but it would be running on Windows and it would be an Air Force black ops, right? | Sep 02 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | so what says they didn't ship it in Windows? | Sep 02 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | maybe it lays dormant until it is needed | Sep 02 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | irc-log-xx092009 | Sep 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | IRC Log for September XXth, 2009 | Sep 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Yikes | Sep 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Correct paste: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/09/microsoft-impresses-itself-upon-press.html | Sep 02 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, you are talking about a distributed intelligence that would have to be as fault tolerant as the internet, right? | Sep 02 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | so it would have to survive unexpected outages in internet connections, parts of the internet backbone, and any number of PCs that crashed | Sep 02 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | which means that the botnet would have to ensure that every piece of its consciousness was duplicated on at least several nodes | Sep 02 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | and if it nukes all of us, then how does it compress its entire being into one centralized system somewhere to avoid the systems destroyed by the nukes it launched destroying massive parts of itself too? | Sep 02 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | And Mel Gibson sucks. Speaking of crappy plot elements, why did the aliens in Signs go to the trouble of conquering a planet that's almost 3/4ths water, not counting rain, air moisture, etc. if water is the only thing that can kill them? | Sep 02 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 02 00:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | how does this make mel gibson suck? | Sep 02 00:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | he didnt write, direct, or produce the movie | Sep 02 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: Now, if such a system like Skynet existed and became self aware, wouldn't it try to hide itself from us? | Sep 02 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | What would it do after it exterminated us? | Sep 02 00:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, skynet was produced to control the world's weapons | Sep 02 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: The Passion of the Christ | Sep 02 00:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | it decided we were the largest threat to world peace | Sep 02 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | there, no arguing with me now :D | Sep 02 00:23 |
| _goblin | In regards to signs....I hated that film...it didnt need aliens it was about a religious prediction... | Sep 02 00:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also a scifi movie | Sep 02 00:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: yes, its a movie about a guy dying for what he believed in | Sep 02 00:23 |
| _goblin | "Swing the bat" | Sep 02 00:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | OH WELL, WE CANT HAVE THAT NOW CAN WE | Sep 02 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Jew | Sep 02 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 00:24 |
| _goblin | who died daemonfc? | Sep 02 00:24 |
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| _goblin | in signs it was the wife | Sep 02 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im tired of the troll | Sep 02 00:24 |
| _goblin | the father and children lived. | Sep 02 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was funny for awhile | Sep 02 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's been a while since I saw it | Sep 02 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its just the same troll over and over, no new material | Sep 02 00:24 |
| _goblin | know your Sci-Fi....I can out geek the best of them. | Sep 02 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | she lived for hours with after the wreck, just long enough to tell him the message | Sep 02 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | about the space aliens | Sep 02 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | *hours after | Sep 02 00:25 |
| _goblin | but it wasnt a guy who died... | Sep 02 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: just put DaemonFC on ignore | Sep 02 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, honestly, it's not something I've wanted to see again | Sep 02 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | Mel Gibson is a religious fanatic/bigot | Sep 02 00:26 |
| _goblin | sorry Diablo.....he's got me on my favorite subject...sci fi | Sep 02 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | so? | Sep 02 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes just trolling | Sep 02 00:26 |
| _goblin | and Im geeking. | Sep 02 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | he probably hasnt watched any of these movies anyhow | Sep 02 00:26 |
| _goblin | or nerding... | Sep 02 00:26 |
| _goblin | not sure which. | Sep 02 00:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | no, nerding would be talking about which cockring captain kirk was wearing in a certian episode | Sep 02 00:27 |
| _goblin | I can answer that! | Sep 02 00:27 |
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| Diablo-D3 | trick question: he doesnt need such silly gear in the 22nd century | Sep 02 00:27 |
| _goblin | I don't know...he was a bit of a player. | Sep 02 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | How does PC World factor in Windows 7 not being on the market as a factor against IE? | Sep 02 00:28 |
| _goblin | and was very culturally diverse when it came to alien partners.... | Sep 02 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes also canadian | Sep 02 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | IE has been in every Windows release for 12 years | Sep 02 00:28 |
| _goblin | Diablo-D3: Did you know the words "Beam me up Scotty" were never mentioned on any episode or film of Star Trek? (offtopic and geeky I know) | Sep 02 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | "Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes" | Sep 02 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | "He's dead Jim, you get his tricorder and I'll grab his wallet" | Sep 02 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 00:30 |
| _goblin | always the red shirt who snuffed it... | Sep 02 00:30 |
| _goblin | and usually male. | Sep 02 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Sep 02 00:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: yes, Im well aware of this | Sep 02 00:31 |
| _goblin | ;) - So youre one of "us" too? | Sep 02 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | who isn't, it's where the term "redshirt" came from | Sep 02 00:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not a troll, no | Sep 02 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | well, in it's current use | Sep 02 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Garibaldi | Sep 02 00:32 |
| _goblin | well Im certainly not a troll Diablo-D3 and unlike you Ive never had Roy comment on my behaviour | Sep 02 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | the original redshirts | Sep 02 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | Michael Garibaldi in Babylon 5, the security chief, was a joke about this | Sep 02 00:32 |
| _goblin | He looked like Bruce Willis | Sep 02 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | after his hair fell out, yeah | Sep 02 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | uncanny | Sep 02 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, bbl | Sep 02 00:35 |
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| _goblin | aww. That was probably the first decent conversation Ive ever had with DaemonFC. | Sep 02 00:36 |
| cubezzz | _goblin, did you noticed the transporter was different in the pilot? | Sep 02 00:36 |
| _goblin | he may pimp MS, but as far as SCI-FI is concerned, it was good fun talking to him... | Sep 02 00:36 |
| _goblin | cubezz: not off the top of my head.....mind you the new film rendered all that history rubbish now. | Sep 02 00:37 |
| _goblin | Pike was never crippled.... | Sep 02 00:37 |
| cubezzz | they rebooted star trek then eh? | Sep 02 00:38 |
| cubezzz | didn't see the new movie | Sep 02 00:38 |
| _goblin | cubezz: yep and that film made a mockery of all the fans like me that followed the tech and the history. | Sep 02 00:38 |
| _goblin | cubezz: the film was like an episode of Beverly Hills 90210 | Sep 02 00:39 |
| cubezzz | I have a recording of the original broadcast with 60's commercials intact | Sep 02 00:39 |
| _goblin | cubezz: I hope you've saved that onto digital media. | Sep 02 00:39 |
| cubezzz | right, well I figured I'd give it a miss, I like the original | Sep 02 00:40 |
| cubezzz | _goblin, yes | Sep 02 00:40 |
| _goblin | cubezz: the original was a little before my time.....well quite alot....ish..... | Sep 02 00:40 |
| _goblin | cubezz: but without doubt it was never bettered.... | Sep 02 00:41 |
| cubezzz | there's a longer version of "Where no man has gone before" out there | Sep 02 00:41 |
| _goblin | cubezz: the only exception was when we saw the Tholians close up in Enterprise..... | Sep 02 00:41 |
| cubezzz | close to a complete hour in length | Sep 02 00:42 |
| _goblin | whats the extra bits? | Sep 02 00:42 |
| cubezzz | more dialogue in the rec room at the beginning, more long corridor shots | Sep 02 00:42 |
| cubezzz | I have to re-watch it, there's probably more :) | Sep 02 00:43 |
| _goblin | ah...then my friend you have outgeeked me on that episode....never seen the extended version... | Sep 02 00:43 |
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| cubezzz | I think the original is out on bluray now | Sep 02 00:44 |
| cubezzz | probably the reworked CGI version, not sure | Sep 02 00:44 |
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| cubezzz | recording is 1969 | Sep 02 00:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Andre, since we link blogs, how about a follow? Don't you miss the MS watch days? #microsoft #linux #foss | Sep 02 01:19 | |
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| You just don't get a more clear declaration of policy than this -> Old UNIX guard attempting to hijack Linux to go after Sun. This will drive a wedge between the original Linux champions who are for “free” software and the established commercial UNIX “old guard” further confusing customers. Old UNIX guard want to adopt the UNIX business model where they provide proprietary differentiation on top of a common base as they re | Sep 02 02:40 | |
| That was from year 2000 | Sep 02 02:40 | |
| 9 years later, M$ is still trying to create divisions and fights | Sep 02 02:40 | |
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| cubezzz | still not clear on why Microsoft wasn't broken up | Sep 02 04:57 |
| balzac | microsoft is going down! | Sep 02 04:57 |
| balzac | cubezzz: bush stole the election in 2000 | Sep 02 04:57 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Sep 02 04:57 |
| balzac | I think microsoft probably helped him steal it. payback was cancelling the judge's ruling to break it in two | Sep 02 04:57 |
| cubezzz | who cancelled it though? | Sep 02 04:58 |
| balzac | they were told to break office and OS departments into two companies, IIRC | Sep 02 04:58 |
| balzac | not sure, but it happened under bush | Sep 02 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | balzac: Thank you Dan Rather, Mr. 60 Minutes | Sep 02 04:58 |
| balzac | also, the lawyer, David Boise was the prosecutor against microsoft and the representative of Al Gore in Bush vs Gore | Sep 02 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | for bringing this up to the minute headline | Sep 02 04:58 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: eat a biscuit | Sep 02 04:58 |
| cubezzz | ok, I think I've found it | Sep 02 04:59 |
| balzac | interesting connection though, eh? Same lawyer, David Boise | Sep 02 04:59 |
| cubezzz | "The Appellate Court affirmed and reversed parts of Jackson's ruling. " | Sep 02 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, how's his career as a lawyer after two most botched cases in the last decade? | Sep 02 04:59 |
| balzac | also, Microsoft windows was on the vote tallying machines | Sep 02 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | the voting machiens don't use Windows | Sep 02 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | liar | Sep 02 05:00 |
| cubezzz | could be a joke :) | Sep 02 05:00 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: he was right. He won the case against M$ and then the Supreme Court of Reich Wing Ayatollahs overruled the Supreme court of Florida to stop the recount | Sep 02 05:00 |
| balzac | it was a coupt | Sep 02 05:00 |
| balzac | coup | Sep 02 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | It's just a simple LCD display where you make your selections by pressing the corresponding button | Sep 02 05:00 |
| cubezzz | "he most important reversal was the decision not to break up the company; Microsoft is cheering this reversal as total victory." | Sep 02 05:00 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: dog-biscuit | Sep 02 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | you'd have to be pretty ******* stupid to mess that up | Sep 02 05:00 |
| balzac | I said the "VOTE TALLYING MACHINES" | Sep 02 05:00 |
| balzac | don't call me a liar again or I'll ask Roy to ban you | Sep 02 05:01 |
| balzac | and yes, a large percentage of them ran windows | Sep 02 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | OK, proof? | Sep 02 05:01 |
| balzac | making them insecure | Sep 02 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | sources? | Sep 02 05:01 |
| are there any voting machines that don't use Winblows in the US? | Sep 02 05:01 | |
| cubezzz | "Judge Jackson failed to provide adequate reasons for a company breakup." | Sep 02 05:01 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: not my problem. I state it as fact based on my credibility. | Sep 02 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | the one I voted on didn't use Windows | Sep 02 05:02 |
| Dibold and others all use that crap. | Sep 02 05:02 | |
| balzac | cubezzz: to whom? He's the judge, he gave his ruling. | Sep 02 05:02 |
| balzac | a new microsoft friendly DOJ must have over turned it | Sep 02 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | balzac: You are suspicious due to your seeming inability to cite sources | Sep 02 05:02 |
| cubezzz | http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/21662/analysis-of-the-appellate-court-opinion-on-microsofts-antitrust-case.html | Sep 02 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | tending me to believe you are lying | Sep 02 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | there | Sep 02 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 05:02 |
| balzac | as payback to Bush for stealing the election? Possibly. | Sep 02 05:02 |
| windowsitpro, there's a good source of information | Sep 02 05:02 | |
| might as well ask Bill Gates. | Sep 02 05:03 | |
| DaemonFC | you could rig an election using "GNU/Linux" btw | Sep 02 05:03 |
| after a little furious rocking back and forth in his chair, he'll come up with what he thinks is a clever lie | Sep 02 05:03 | |
| balzac | Did Bill Gates help abort Al Gore's presidency in its infancy? It's worthy of investigation. | Sep 02 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing about the software that makes it any easier or harder | Sep 02 05:03 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: much more secure, code is auditable, transparency is a pre-requisite for secure elections | Sep 02 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what they use, they could rig it using any software they put on there | Sep 02 05:04 |
| balzac | but it shouldn't be electronic anyway | Sep 02 05:04 |
| Bill Gates is one of many who control US press. He's bought more of it than most and has a disproportionate voice, but there are others. | Sep 02 05:04 | |
| DaemonFC | oh bull, Linux, Windows, if they put it on there, they can cheat the system | Sep 02 05:04 |
| balzac | I never proposed electronic voting without a paper trail | Sep 02 05:04 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: you keep inferring things I didn't say | Sep 02 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | the only important thing is whether there is a certified paper printout, balzac | Sep 02 05:04 |
| Better to say that a paper trail is a good idea. | Sep 02 05:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Linux wouldn't make the machines any more secure, you stil lcan't verify the results without a paper trail | Sep 02 05:05 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: you might as well be talking to a PhD on this subject | Sep 02 05:05 |
| balzac | *nix is more secure by default. | Sep 02 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | no it's not | Sep 02 05:05 |
| design | Sep 02 05:05 | |
| balzac | and I agree re: the paper trail. it's essential. | Sep 02 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | if the voting machine maker wrote a ballot box stuffing program for Linux | Sep 02 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | how does that help us? | Sep 02 05:05 |
| balzac | that's why i'm no proponent of electronic voting systems without fully auditable paper trail, and ultimately a paper count | Sep 02 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | a more secure ballot box stuffing machine because it runs GNU/Linux? | Sep 02 05:06 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: no proprietary software should be used in any public voting system. | Sep 02 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | you're absurd | Sep 02 05:06 |
| cubezzz | I voted with a pencil (that's what I was given) which I thought was odd :) | Sep 02 05:06 |
| that is a reasonable demand | Sep 02 05:06 | |
| balzac | DaemonFC: focus on the debate, not on your opinion of me | Sep 02 05:06 |
| cubezzz | why not a pen? | Sep 02 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, you're wrong if you jsut think slapping Linux on there would fix anything | Sep 02 05:06 |
| balzac | cubezzz: you can vote on paper, but then they put it in an "optiscan" attached to a windows machine | Sep 02 05:07 |
| free software is a reasonable demand, not a writing instrument | Sep 02 05:07 | |
| DaemonFC | it still doesn't make it any harder for them to defraud the election | Sep 02 05:07 |
| balzac | whoops, there went your electoral integrity. Even DaemonFC agrees on this. | Sep 02 05:07 |
| any paper trail is good | Sep 02 05:07 | |
| balzac | presumably | Sep 02 05:07 |
| balzac | paper is essential | Sep 02 05:07 |
| cubezzz | yeah but pencil is eraseable | Sep 02 05:07 |
| balzac | What did Stalin say, for 100 points? | Sep 02 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | the voting machine software is irrelevant without a verified paper printout | Sep 02 05:07 |
| he who counts the vote decides the election | Sep 02 05:08 | |
| balzac | It's not the voters, but the vote-counters who determine the outcome. (paraphrasing) | Sep 02 05:08 |
| balzac | twitter++ x 100 | Sep 02 05:08 |
| cubezzz | so what's the solution? | Sep 02 05:08 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: wrong | Sep 02 05:08 |
| rule of law | Sep 02 05:08 | |
| DaemonFC | the only reason Linux would matter on a voting machine is if it saved taxpayer money by avoiding Windows licensing fees | Sep 02 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | which is why I actually think it should be used | Sep 02 05:09 |
| balzac | the voting machine software is not irrelevant, it's the first official tally. We never got to see the paper count because they claimed a fraudulent victory. | Sep 02 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | but it won't stop any cheating | Sep 02 05:09 |
| _Hicham_ | Mr DaemonFC | Sep 02 05:09 |
| balzac | Anyway, it's possible Microsoft helped Bush to keep from having their company split in two. | Sep 02 05:09 |
| balzac | quite plausible. | Sep 02 05:09 |
| Bush helped all sorts of fat cats. It was one of the most corrupt administrations on record. | Sep 02 05:10 | |
| balzac | no kidding | Sep 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | twitter: He had a lot of competition for that | Sep 02 05:10 |
| balzac | And Microsoft considers themselves above the law. | Sep 02 05:10 |
| cubezzz | Cheney seemed to think torture was "good" :-0 | Sep 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | Carter was probably right after Dubya for most corrupt/incompetent administration | Sep 02 05:11 |
| balzac | nah | Sep 02 05:11 |
| balzac | Nixon, then Reagan | Sep 02 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | to be fair | Sep 02 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | when you're that big | Sep 02 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have to be above the law | Sep 02 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, unless you want to be under it | Sep 02 05:11 |
| Some think the neo-cons are planning a violent take over, complete with reign of terror. | Sep 02 05:11 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont judge | Sep 02 05:11 |
| balzac | Diablo-D3: I do judge if MS had anything to do with Bush's stolen elections | Sep 02 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | to tell you the truth, I don't really like any of them, based on what they've done, all the way back to John Kennedy, he was alright | Sep 02 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | balzac: they didnt | Sep 02 05:12 |
| balzac | twitter: they're always planning that | Sep 02 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | Clinton was probably neutral leaning negative | Sep 02 05:12 |
| balzac | Diablo-D3: says you | Sep 02 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | the rest have been pure corruption | Sep 02 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the vote machines ran windows but not because microsoft is easy | Sep 02 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | its because the vote machine manufs suck at product design | Sep 02 05:12 |
| now they have their little prisons set up, complete with torture for dissidents. | Sep 02 05:12 | |
| balzac | Diablo-D3: I consider it the height of stupidity to even have electronic voting without paper backup | Sep 02 05:12 |
| cubezzz | Taft wasn't corrupt, there's at least one | Sep 02 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I'm concerned, Clinton only had one truly big blemish on his record, NAFTA | Sep 02 05:13 |
| balzac | I guess microsoft cares more about quarterly profits than American democracy | Sep 02 05:13 |
| cubezzz | sure he liked to eat but... | Sep 02 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I consider electronic voting stupid altogether | Sep 02 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | compared to Bush, he was perfect | Sep 02 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | just use the fucking internet already | Sep 02 05:13 |
| balzac | I'd never apply information technology in such a way as to undermine democracy | Sep 02 05:13 |
| What did they call them? Something about Communications Management Facilities. Where people can be locked up for bat shit laws like inciting people to protest. | Sep 02 05:13 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter: According to the DHS, first amendment-protected peaceful protesting is terrorist activity | Sep 02 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | you did notice that, right? | Sep 02 05:14 |
| M$'s profits are falling through the floor. The worse they mess things up, the worse the economy and their profits get. | Sep 02 05:14 | |
| DaemonFC | inciting a riot is not protected, but mere protesting is | Sep 02 05:14 |
| balzac | i don't know how one goes about "inciting a riot" | Sep 02 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | so far the only groups I've seen inciting a riot are the Republican healthcare reform protesters | Sep 02 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | the ones bringing guns to town hall meetings with the President | Sep 02 05:15 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: they incite violence against Obama and supporters | Sep 02 05:15 |
| cubezzz | balzac, it's happened at rock concerts :) | Sep 02 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | while I get frisked and have bottles of shampoo dumped by the TSA before I get on a plane | Sep 02 05:15 |
| balzac | a "riot" has no meaning without specifying who is the enemy | Sep 02 05:15 |
| it's just another form of SLAPP, but this one criminalizes the victim and gets them out of the way. | Sep 02 05:16 | |
| DaemonFC | f-ing idiots running this place | Sep 02 05:16 |
| balzac | lots of high-ranking republican office holders are saying things which ought to be illegal | Sep 02 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | balzac: I think bringing a gun to an area near the president while holding a sign saying "The tree of liberty needs refreshed with the blood of tyrants" is pretty good cause for them to arrest you | Sep 02 05:17 |
| balzac | idaho gubernetorial candidate jokes about a hunting license for the president | Sep 02 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | don't you? | Sep 02 05:17 |
| balzac | Chuck Grassley uses a slogan "kill obamacare" | Sep 02 05:17 |
| cubezzz | yeah that's not good | Sep 02 05:17 |
| a popular song calls for "bomb iran" | Sep 02 05:17 | |
| balzac | I was even afraid to say "bill kush" when bush was president, and so I didn't. | Sep 02 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | probably the only reason the Secret Service is leaving those gun nuts alone is that they don't want to fan the flames of the "militia" idiots | Sep 02 05:18 |
| balzac | i agree | Sep 02 05:18 |
| balzac | but they are being investigated | Sep 02 05:18 |
| balzac | and observed | Sep 02 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | tell you what though, they're crazy if they don't have those gun nuts targeted by sharpshooters at all times during the protest | Sep 02 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 05:18 |
| balzac | governors, members of congress are openly saying treasonous things | Sep 02 05:19 |
| balzac | cessession for example, sedition, treason, assassination jokes | Sep 02 05:19 |
| cubezzz | Texas talked about secession | Sep 02 05:19 |
| balzac | not texas but a few morons from texas | Sep 02 05:20 |
| cubezzz | and of course Quebec talks about separation, but it never happens | Sep 02 05:20 |
| balzac | alaska former governor as well | Sep 02 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | balzac: I'm not some cookie cutter liberal, but I'm not to the far right either, and I think that people encouraging the assassination of *any* President need to be arrested and charged with a crime | Sep 02 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a laughing matter | Sep 02 05:20 |
| balzac | i agree | Sep 02 05:20 |
| that's too bad. I like Quebec -> cubezzz: and of course Quebec talks about separation, but it never happens | Sep 02 05:20 | |
| balzac | i only ever floated the idea of a lawful hanging of president bush | Sep 02 05:21 |
| balzac | i never endorsed assassination or any illegal violence against him | Sep 02 05:21 |
| justice is good for all | Sep 02 05:21 | |
| balzac | it was always impeach, war-crimes tribunal, and then let the chips fall where they may | Sep 02 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | political assassinations are so "dark ages", only people who are clearly wrong and have lost their side of the argument would push for them | Sep 02 05:21 |
| balzac | up to and including capital punishment | Sep 02 05:21 |
| but the death penalty is a bad idea | Sep 02 05:21 | |
| balzac | probably, but it was also a free speech point | Sep 02 05:22 |
| _Hicham_ | a shoe punishment is a good idea | Sep 02 05:22 |
| balzac | there are cases when I can see it | Sep 02 05:22 |
| balzac | muntadar al zaidi deserves a medal of freedom | Sep 02 05:22 |
| balzac | he's about to get out with an early release | Sep 02 05:22 |
| a shoe slap on the wrist. somehow that's not justice | Sep 02 05:22 | |
| DaemonFC | I support capital punishment, but I don't think it should ever be used unless the crime was murder and that there is *no doubt* at *all* that the accused did it | Sep 02 05:22 |
| balzac | can't wait for him to be on the Today Show or something | Sep 02 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | if there is any shred of doubt, it should be commuted to life sentence | Sep 02 05:23 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: that's why I only support capital punishment for war criminals of such prominence, their guilt cannot be in doubt | Sep 02 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | even one innocent person being executed is one person too many | Sep 02 05:23 |
| balzac | not for random criminals who murder | Sep 02 05:23 |
| balzac | i agree | Sep 02 05:23 |
| balzac | but it makes sense for hitler | Sep 02 05:23 |
| balzac | some guys are so powerful, their victims cannot rest until they're dead | Sep 02 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | there are people who could have been sentenced to death, but got life in prison instead and were cleared 25 years later | Sep 02 05:24 |
| balzac | because they can call the shots from prison, even arrange a coup from prison | Sep 02 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | what if they were sentenced to death? | Sep 02 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | it would have been carried out already | Sep 02 05:24 |
| balzac | there has been an innocent man executed according to Barry Scheck | Sep 02 05:24 |
| balzac | I believe him | Sep 02 05:24 |
| balzac | I'd settle for Bush going to prison for life | Sep 02 05:25 |
| balzac | It doesn't have to be capital punishment, but it would send a sobering message. | Sep 02 05:25 |
| build a better prison. -> because they can call the shots from prison, even arrange a coup from prison | Sep 02 05:25 | |
| balzac | twitter: if they have access to legal counsel, they can send messages out | Sep 02 05:25 |
| balzac | through their legal counsel | Sep 02 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, there are people who are not of the "criminal mind" who short out and commit crimes of passion, and that's a good defense, and that's why there's second degree murder, there's people that lose control of their car on an icy road and hit someone, and that's involuntary manslaughter | Sep 02 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | the motivation for the crime always has to be considered carefully | Sep 02 05:26 |
| at some point, they no longer need that. | Sep 02 05:26 | |
| balzac | Hitler ought to have been executed if he hadn't committed suicide | Sep 02 05:26 |
| balzac | after a lengthy trial, of course | Sep 02 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | then there are people who are of a criminal mind and no punishment on earth will stop them from doing terrible things | Sep 02 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | those are the people who should be death row candidates | Sep 02 05:26 |
| balzac | Saddam - I wasn't concerned for his life, only the information which died with him. He could have testified great details about Bush Jr. and Sr. | Sep 02 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | they don't exactly mingle with the inmate population | Sep 02 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | they end up killing other prisoners | Sep 02 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | guards | Sep 02 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | nurses | Sep 02 05:27 |
| balzac | I was against Saddam's execution because of that information he knew, and the illegitimacy of the trial. | Sep 02 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | balzac: I beleive he should have been turned over to the international criminal court | Sep 02 05:28 |
| balzac | I'd be in favor of an execution for Osama Bin Laden, but only after years of extracting and verifying information to build the historical knowledge of his crimes. | Sep 02 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | to face a war crimes tribunal | Sep 02 05:28 |
| balzac | DaemonFC: true | Sep 02 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | it still wouldn't be fair, but it would be as fair as it could be | Sep 02 05:28 |
| balzac | But when you execute a very popular madman, it energizes his followers and makes him a martyr | Sep 02 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with being tried by a government put in place by an occupying force is that it never can look legitimate | Sep 02 05:29 |
| balzac | so I'd favor a very secure incarceration for life for all terrorists and war-criminals | Sep 02 05:29 |
| balzac | just don't let them be like John Wayne Gayce, painting, cultivating a fan-base | Sep 02 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | balzac: I'd say put him in ADMAX Florence | Sep 02 05:29 |
| balzac | they shouldn't have that much public access | Sep 02 05:29 |
| balzac | sounds good | Sep 02 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's hardly a comfortable existence | Sep 02 05:30 |
| balzac | some liberals are confused about law enforcement and justice, but basically all conservatives are as well | Sep 02 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | they're only allowed out of the cell for one hour per day to exercise | Sep 02 05:30 |
| balzac | I think of myself as a modern Hammurabi | Sep 02 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | it avoids making martyrs | Sep 02 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | it would essentially put him in storage for the rest of his life | Sep 02 05:31 |
| balzac | Just so long as they can't influence society from prison, like some of these sick murderers, writing letters to admirers, selling art, authoring memoirs | Sep 02 05:31 |
| balzac | that's crap | Sep 02 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | he'd spend every day wishing he could die and not being allowed to die | Sep 02 05:32 |
| balzac | Leonard Peltier should be out | Sep 02 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | which is enough punishment to satisfy me anyway | Sep 02 05:32 |
| balzac | Bush should be in | Sep 02 05:32 |
| balzac | ok, bbl | Sep 02 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's pretty much where we send the worst offenders | Sep 02 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | even Charles Manson isn't bad enough to go there | Sep 02 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | the guy that runs the HeliOS blog is not only condescending, he took the absolute wrong approach to the problem he described | Sep 02 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | regarding this nurse's laptop | Sep 02 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | Chances are he didn't need to install IEs4Linux on her laptop so that she could log into the hospital's network | Sep 02 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm assuming he means they use NTLM or ADS, which IE can handshake with of course, but there's also a number of ways to authenticate with other browsers | Sep 02 05:50 |
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| DaemonFC | I assume he has limited experience and installing IE into Linux through Wine was probably the quickest way around the problem that he saw | Sep 02 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.likewise.com/products/likewise_open/ | Sep 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | this would have done the same job, better in fact | Sep 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's even assuming the distribution didn't provide for that | Sep 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora and OpenSuse do, Mandriva does too | Sep 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | I've never used Linux Mint though but if it's Ubuntu-based I probably know everything about it I want to | Sep 02 05:53 |
| go get http://www.gregpalast.com/bigeasy | Sep 02 05:58 | |
| DaemonFC | The George Bush hates black people crowd | Sep 02 05:59 |
| Palast has made the mistake of partnering with Amazon but his movie should be excellent. | Sep 02 05:59 | |
| DaemonFC | act like it's the government's fault that they couldn't get off their asses and get out of town themselves | Sep 02 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | or shot at the rescue workers when help arrived | Sep 02 06:00 |
| got there via http://www.gregpalast.com/economic-hit-men-and-the-next-drowning-of-new-orleanshurricane-bush-four-years-later-part-2/ | Sep 02 06:01 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter: George Bush caused Katrina | Sep 02 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | with his magical anti-black people weather control machine | Sep 02 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | I guess Ray Nagin and the "Chocolate City" will persevere though | Sep 02 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | wherever there's a Walmart to loot | Sep 02 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | twitter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmQW6xLECUU | Sep 02 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | Cops loot Wal*Mart after Katrina in New Orleans | Sep 02 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ynelkD28D4 | Sep 02 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | chocolate city | Sep 02 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hri3B_sglTo&NR=1 | Sep 02 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CmNYh0A5Z0&feature=related | Sep 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | longer version of police looting the Walmart | Sep 02 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | lol @ 1:26, black guy stealing a stereo | Sep 02 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | That guy has a set of balls though, going into a Walmart that's being looted by hundreds of people in downtown New Orleans | Sep 02 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | they should give him an award for having the guts to go in there | Sep 02 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | of course it tells you how those people think doesn't it? | Sep 02 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | they're not stealing food and diapers and baby formula and clothes | Sep 02 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | they're stealing bikes and TVs and stereos | Sep 02 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | twitter: You can't spin this one, if they were that bad off, they'd be looting essentials, not big screen TVs | Sep 02 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what could possibly possess someone to live in the deep south though, it's like "Oh look honey, there's an alligator on the car and here comes another hurricane! Let's stay!" | Sep 02 06:17 |
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| DaemonFC | "Hardware hooks in Intel's new chips will help Windows 7 deliver performance gains when running applications like DVD playback compared to Windows Vista, the companies said in a joint press briefing on Tuesday." | Sep 02 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | How much hardware does it take to play a DVD | Sep 02 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty sure I was doing that on Windows 95 | Sep 02 06:32 |
| neighborlee | oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to decieve when help was what was needed, though judgement and neglect were seeded ;)oh,hurrah o_0 | Sep 02 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | neighborlee: Humanity is defined by the contempt and hatred we have for everyone and everything that does not meet our "ideals" | Sep 02 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's just how we are | Sep 02 06:33 |
| neighborlee | its how some of us are ;) | Sep 02 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | rather like dogs sniffing each others asses | Sep 02 06:34 |
| neighborlee | others attempt to rise above it | Sep 02 06:34 |
| neighborlee | ymmv | Sep 02 06:34 |
| neighborlee | :) | Sep 02 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | nobody rises above anything | Sep 02 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | life is survival, beating the other guy over the head, mating, and dying | Sep 02 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | we seem to think we have a finer grain of control over our lives than an animal, but the overall description is the same | Sep 02 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | at least when animals fight and kill each other it's because they're hungry, not because they want the other guys land and natural resources | Sep 02 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | and they don't leave minefields and dangerous weapons behind when they go | Sep 02 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | it must be terribly frustrating that we've gotten so good at war that nobody can have a real war anymore | Sep 02 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | beating up a country with 30 year old Soviet hand me downs is hardly an accomplishment | Sep 02 06:42 |
| neighborlee | you almost sound like my friend who thinks government is out to get him, masons are devil worshipers, women are to be screwed butnot married as they are after his money anyway and well..life is meant to play games and beyond that who cares, cause we're going to die anyway in 2012 ;),,a real glass half full guy ey ? ;) | Sep 02 06:44 |
| neighborlee | nobody,,certainly not god said any of this was going to be easy..life is often what we make it | Sep 02 06:44 |
| neighborlee | oh-well | Sep 02 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | Masons are devil worshippers | Sep 02 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | they're like the Scientologists, they try to hide all the really freaky shit til they already have you indoctinated | Sep 02 06:47 |
| neighborlee | you have got to be kidding | Sep 02 06:48 |
| neighborlee | no wait I dont think youare | Sep 02 06:48 |
| neighborlee | ? | Sep 02 06:48 |
| neighborlee | :) | Sep 02 06:48 |
| neighborlee | ive seen all the videos...the dollar bill conspiracy...yadda | Sep 02 06:48 |
| neighborlee | howsever I knew my father , the kind of man he was..I can assure you they dont worsihp devils..my mother would have known ;) | Sep 02 06:49 |
| neighborlee | uNless of course, its only something HIGH level masons knew about o_0 | Sep 02 06:49 |
| neighborlee | if so well ,,then i'd have no idea but I do know my father wasn't the type of man to be involved with anything of the sort | Sep 02 06:50 |
| neighborlee | and thats not just a 'my dad' deal..thats objective 100% | Sep 02 06:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | the government isnt out to get you | Sep 02 06:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | they already had you long before you were born | Sep 02 06:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a little late to get all conspiracy theoryey | Sep 02 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | neighborlee: They worship Lucifer | Sep 02 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's a difference in what you want to call Satan | Sep 02 06:52 |
| *jono has quit ("Later, Skater") | Sep 02 06:52 | |
| neighborlee | based on what documentary | Sep 02 06:53 |
| neighborlee | no one owns me | Sep 02 06:53 |
| neighborlee | period | Sep 02 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | they are truly bizarre | Sep 02 06:53 |
| neighborlee | did you get pictures ? | Sep 02 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | they try to do "charity" work to make it look like they're part of the community | Sep 02 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | like any religion, they use people like pawns | Sep 02 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | to recruit and get more money | Sep 02 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | you automatically think its a bad thing | Sep 02 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | the Masons are like the Mary Kay ladies of the antichrist | Sep 02 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's rather amusing | Sep 02 06:55 |
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| More newspapers bite the dust http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=apTqmV3BUrOw | Sep 02 07:02 | |
| neighborlee | I wonder if they also have a new orleans bashing branch..that might be intriguing | Sep 02 07:02 |
| Freedom Communications, owner of 30 newspapers and 8 TV stations is bankrupt. | Sep 02 07:03 | |
| DaemonFC | neighborlee: It's the Chocolate City | Sep 02 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | per decree of their racist mayor | Sep 02 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ray Nagin is like the Marion Barry of New Orleans | Sep 02 07:04 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, I agree its a risk to live there atm...I consider extending a hand to entire city to come live with you on your million acre ranch ;) | Sep 02 07:04 |
| neighborlee | send me pictures | Sep 02 07:04 |
| -> Industrywide ad revenue fell 29 percent to $6.82 billion in the second quarter from $9.6 billion a year earlier, according to figures released by the Newspaper Association of America. Ad sales dropped 28 percent in the first quarter, the Arlington, Virginia-based trade group said. The drought has forced publishers to cut jobs, wages and sections, and boost newsstand prices | Sep 02 07:04 | |
| DaemonFC | bullshit | Sep 02 07:04 |
| neighborlee | rofl | Sep 02 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather give them free trailers | Sep 02 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | whatever keeps them out of Indiana | Sep 02 07:05 |
| neighborlee | oh you mean like the ones that were laced with chemicals ? | Sep 02 07:05 |
| neighborlee | good idea ;) | Sep 02 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that was a mistake, it should have been flooded with poisonous chemicals | Sep 02 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, if they want to accuse us of trying to kill them, why not oblige them? | Sep 02 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | delusional asshats | Sep 02 07:06 |
| Someone called Silver Lake bought Skype http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aLnzQ.XCSK9U | Sep 02 07:06 | |
| neighborlee | my arent' we hateful lately ;) | Sep 02 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | anything to sue the government and steal more of the tax money | Sep 02 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | lately? No. I've always hated towns full of crack dealers and welfare cheats | Sep 02 07:07 |
| neighborlee | talk is cheap | Sep 02 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | New Orleans, Chicago, and Washington DC are the axis of evil | Sep 02 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 07:07 |
| So ... First comes doom and gloom news about Skype, including a Drudge Report piece, then comes a cheap buy out. | Sep 02 07:07 | |
| Coincidence? I hope so. Anything else would be criminal. | Sep 02 07:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | twitter: How much would it take to buy you out and shut you down? | Sep 02 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just curious | Sep 02 07:08 |
| neighborlee | skype is crap thats for sure.it has its moments, but overall its pretty bad | Sep 02 07:08 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, I suspect about as much as you | Sep 02 07:08 |
| neighborlee | approximately ;) | Sep 02 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | everyone is for sale | Sep 02 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | if a million dollars fell into schestowitz's lap from Microsoft, he could be the next Paul Thurrott | Sep 02 07:09 |
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| DaemonFC | everyone has the potential to be bought and sold, even traded | Sep 02 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | they need to make Microsoft shill baseball cards | Sep 02 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | like the complete 2009 set | Sep 02 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | yes, I know that someone will say that sounds cynical | Sep 02 07:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | twitter: the netscape founder bought skype, btw | Sep 02 07:13 |
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| DaemonFC | off to mismanage another company? | Sep 02 07:14 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, point taken..but about schestowitz I seriously doubt it | Sep 02 07:14 |
| neighborlee | maybe..point taken..but I doubt it | Sep 02 07:14 |
| what do you recommend? -> neighborlee: skype is crap thats for sure.it has its moments, but overall its pretty bad | Sep 02 07:17 | |
| DaemonFC | The new Skype client for Linux works surprisingly well | Sep 02 07:18 |
| the field is packed with bad patents and other problems. Skype has more users than Facebook and is growing faster still. | Sep 02 07:18 | |
| DaemonFC | they worked out the Pulseaudio problems | Sep 02 07:18 |
| and it's better on Linux than it is on Winblows (of course) | Sep 02 07:18 | |
| I would prefer free software but I'm unable to get what comes with Lenny to work. | Sep 02 07:19 | |
| DaemonFC | not really | Sep 02 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's about the same now anyway | Sep 02 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | the old Linux client just barely worked | Sep 02 07:19 |
| Hmmm, I don't like this Quebec -> http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/keyDevelopments?symbol=MSFT.O×tamp=20090901090000&rpc=66 | Sep 02 07:19 | |
| DaemonFC | at least now I can make video calls in Linux | Sep 02 07:19 |
| neighborlee | twitter, well thats the trouble..there is nothing else but doesn't change fact its kinda pathetic | Sep 02 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | and tell people to go use a program they've heard of | Sep 02 07:20 |
| neighborlee | twitter, coupled with horrible customer service | Sep 02 07:20 |
| Skype is so easy a demented slug could make it work. | Sep 02 07:20 | |
| neighborlee | lol | Sep 02 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | not the old client | Sep 02 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | it would conflict with Pulseaudio | Sep 02 07:20 |
| M$ vapor -> Microsoft Corp. announced that it has released the Windows 7-based Windows Embedded Standard 2011 (formerly code-named Quebec) Community Technology Preview (CTP) to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs). Windows Embedded Standard 2011 delivers the latest Windows 7 technologies to OEMs, enabling them to bring specialized devices to market faster, to differentiate those devices through user experiences, to deliver devi | Sep 02 07:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | and now you've offended the demented slugs | Sep 02 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | and demand a lock on the audio device until you shut down Skype | Sep 02 07:21 |
| 2011, the year of embedded Windows! | Sep 02 07:21 | |
| DaemonFC | made it damned near impossible to have running in the task tray | Sep 02 07:21 |
| the year of stable, secure Windows, they swear. | Sep 02 07:21 | |
| schestowitz | Ha | Sep 02 07:22 |
| or you can just go pick up a gnu/linux netbook today. | Sep 02 07:22 | |
| schestowitz | Embedded Windows | Sep 02 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | assuming desktop Linux use doubles every year, it'll have half the desktop market by 2030 | Sep 02 07:22 |
| schestowitz | I saw some headlines yesterday | Sep 02 07:22 |
| schestowitz | They rename it as a strategy | Sep 02 07:22 |
| schestowitz | But it's the same drek | Sep 02 07:22 |
| schestowitz | It gets almost nowhere | Sep 02 07:22 |
| yes, it sounds like a big joke. remember minwin? | Sep 02 07:22 | |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 02 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Vapourware | Sep 02 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Never mentioned since 2008 | Sep 02 07:22 |
| same promise | Sep 02 07:23 | |
| same lie | Sep 02 07:23 | |
| schestowitz | WinfS 2 | Sep 02 07:23 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 8 vapourware will increase a few months after Oct 22nd | Sep 02 07:23 |
| schestowitz | "We'll get it right the next time! We promise" | Sep 02 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | I played with WinFS on XP | Sep 02 07:23 |
| schestowitz | "Just stick with us! PUH-llllllllllllllllllllleex. | Sep 02 07:23 |
| I don't think they get another chance this time. | Sep 02 07:24 | |
| DaemonFC | great way to slow down your file system | Sep 02 07:24 |
| Vista was their big flunk out. | Sep 02 07:24 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: troll. | Sep 02 07:24 |
| fevered pitch trolling comes with every roll out. | Sep 02 07:24 | |
| troll out | Sep 02 07:25 | |
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| Nintendo now offers Opera at no charge for Wii. -> http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/09/02/0252231/Nintendo-Releases-Wii-Browser-For-Free-Updates-Flash | Sep 02 07:29 | |
| DaemonFC | that's good news | Sep 02 07:29 |
| non free on top of non free, but interesting just the same. | Sep 02 07:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Opera is a better browser than Firefox | Sep 02 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | by sheer technical merit | Sep 02 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | show me the build of Firefox that passes ACID 3 | Sep 02 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's just one example | Sep 02 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | Opera follows open standards, they don't abuse people with proprietary addons like Firefox and Internet Explorer do | Sep 02 07:33 |
| neighborlee | does opera even have addons | Sep 02 07:33 |
| neighborlee | haven't used it in ages | Sep 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | it has widgets | Sep 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | but for plugins it supports NPAPI just like Firefox | Sep 02 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | it can use Firefox plugins | Sep 02 07:34 |
| neighborlee | hm | Sep 02 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | Opera on Linux can use the system color theme of your KDE desktop | Sep 02 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | system color theme option is there on Windows or on Linux in GNOME but it doesn't work | Sep 02 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | just an interesting bit I've noticed | Sep 02 07:37 |
| neighborlee | no loss here im done with gnome | Sep 02 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | I still have yet for twitter or schestowitz to tell me how Opera is an evil monopoly which subverts internet standards | Sep 02 07:38 |
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| neighborlee | ic ;) | Sep 02 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | 2% of the market and the most standards compliant engine | Sep 02 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | hardly sounds like they're guilty of either charge | Sep 02 07:40 |
| neighborlee | at least their services are crossplatform DaemonFC | Sep 02 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | Opera runs on more platforms than Firefox | Sep 02 07:41 |
| neighborlee | MS isn't always so,,amenable | Sep 02 07:41 |
| MinceR | it uses the color theme wrong, though | Sep 02 07:42 |
| neighborlee | I have nothing against opera | Sep 02 07:42 |
| neighborlee | I just got in a routine with firefox I guess | Sep 02 07:42 |
| neighborlee | shrug | Sep 02 07:42 |
| MinceR | iirc it confuses the widget background with the dialog background | Sep 02 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Opera 10 now uses QT 4, and is compiled with GCC 4 | Sep 02 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's quite a lot better on Linux than Opera 9 was | Sep 02 07:43 |
| neighborlee | sweet | Sep 02 07:43 |
| MinceR | sounds good | Sep 02 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | it also immediately detects your IcedTea or JAVA, your Flash, and your VLC plugins | Sep 02 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | so it's pretty much install it and go | Sep 02 07:45 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm downloading a Kubuntu daily CD image | Sep 02 08:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Gains Ground in Denmark, Endorsed by Hungarian Standards Institution http://bit.ly/XssWv | Sep 02 08:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Bing Spams Web Sites with Referrer SPAM and Net Applications Lies Again http://ping.fm/gLpmB | Sep 02 09:40 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1249/snapshot8.png | Sep 02 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft's attempts at corrupting standards is in Dilbert. | Sep 02 10:41 |
| schestowitz | "Your specifications are weak, and so is your kung fu." | Sep 02 10:41 |
| schestowitz | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-09-02/ | Sep 02 10:41 |
| schestowitz | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-09-01/ "| | Sep 02 10:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: kubuntu? | Sep 02 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Looks better than Vista BTW | Sep 02 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes, Kubuntu | Sep 02 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | I still can't get VLC to capture my webcam properly | Sep 02 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | this is really bugging me :P | Sep 02 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Driver? | Sep 02 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Some cameras should be shunned by GNU/Linux users | Sep 02 10:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why I Disagree with Jack Wallen Regarding “FUD” http://ping.fm/Bqk3O | Sep 02 10:53 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It worked fine in Ubuntu 8.10 | Sep 02 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | now the brightness and contrast are all messed up and the internal microphone doesn't work | Sep 02 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | It's got to be some kind of misconfiguration somewhere | Sep 02 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME applications seem to be able to figure it out | Sep 02 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | Cheese, Sound Recorder, etc. | Sep 02 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I figured out the video problems, apparently the camera remembers the settings last used until it loses power | Sep 02 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | and Windows seems to use a different set of settings | Sep 02 10:59 |
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| DaemonFC | I may end up having to use GNOME, which sucks | Sep 02 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Cheese does not work right under KDE for some reason | Sep 02 11:05 |
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| oiaohm | What version VLC. | Sep 02 11:07 |
| oiaohm | some versions of VLC are driving me nuts for bugs on Linux too DaemonFC | Sep 02 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | 1.01 | Sep 02 11:07 |
| satipera | So was the BN site down yesterda or not? | Sep 02 11:07 |
| oiaohm | That is one of them. | Sep 02 11:07 |
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| oiaohm | About 0.9~ something went wrong DaemonFC | Sep 02 11:08 |
| oiaohm | satipera: it was. Minor server distruption. | Sep 02 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Just at the right time that the admin was in bed. | Sep 02 11:09 |
| satipera | I could not get a feed for several hours | Sep 02 11:09 |
| oiaohm | And we could not wake him. | Sep 02 11:09 |
| satipera | ha ha | Sep 02 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3319/snapshot9e.png | Sep 02 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | see anything obviously wrong? | Sep 02 11:09 |
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| DaemonFC | VLC 1.01 on Windows can capture my webcam | Sep 02 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Ok question what does it do when you try to capture. | Sep 02 11:11 |
| oiaohm | 1 crash nastly. | Sep 02 11:11 |
| oiaohm | 2 refuse. | Sep 02 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, it can't save video at all under KDE | Sep 02 11:11 |
| oiaohm | 3 lockup. | Sep 02 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | under GNOME it saves video but no audio | Sep 02 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | just opening the device, the video is captured on KDE, but no audio | Sep 02 11:12 |
| oiaohm | That one. Solid has grab hold of it. | Sep 02 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Kde kinda needs to be told to let go. | Sep 02 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's really pissing me off because the rest of KDE works so well but it has nothing that can handle webcams | Sep 02 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | which seems backwards since even GNOME does that well enough | Sep 02 11:13 |
| oiaohm | I guess its in the list of devices pluged in DaemonFC in KDE. | Sep 02 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting frustrated :P | Sep 02 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Is it in the list of attached devices widget DaemonFC | Sep 02 11:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Managed Objects CEO Leaves Novell http://ping.fm/W6BrN | Sep 02 11:19 | |
| trmanco | Time to install kde | Sep 02 11:24 |
| trmanco | Need to get 306MB of archives. After unpacking 818MB will be used. | Sep 02 11:30 |
| trmanco | :D | Sep 02 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Sep 02 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | at least Kubuntu fixed their horrid package management system | Sep 02 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | Adept never worked right and KPackagekit in Jaunty is broken | Sep 02 11:32 |
| trmanco | I use aptitude | Sep 02 11:32 |
| trmanco | if I don't like it I simply remove the meta package and it all goes away | Sep 02 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | nothing wrong with KDE except lack of a decent webcam tool | Sep 02 11:33 |
| oiaohm | More worring is in debian testing at moment it wants to uninstall synanpti and put nothing graphical one back. | Sep 02 11:34 |
| oiaohm | gnome or kde desktop. | Sep 02 11:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me is installing KDE 4.3.1 | Sep 02 11:34 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: kubuntu is not a good distro for kde {any version} | Sep 02 11:34 |
| schestowitz | I have kubuntu on my other partition here | Sep 02 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva is better for kde | Sep 02 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Default debain kde is better. | Sep 02 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Even that its not really altered at all. | Sep 02 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Beranger wrote about it | Sep 02 11:35 |
| schestowitz | How they customise the vanilla versions of s/w | Sep 02 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yeah, Mandriva addresses some holes in KDE by plugging in GNOME applications and making sure they work well | Sep 02 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | nothing wrong with that I guess, a little bloat, but it's only some GTK+ libraries | Sep 02 11:36 |
| schestowitz | kubuntu is getting a new qt4 installer | Sep 02 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Like opensuse did in 11.1 iirc | Sep 02 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Mandriva also does the same with GTK desktop DaemonFC | Sep 02 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed it, it looks nice | Sep 02 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | there's no KDE utilities in their GNOME desktop | Sep 02 11:37 |
| trmanco | I'm already half way :) | Sep 02 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with Mandriva is that you always end up with a bunch of web browsers | Sep 02 11:39 |
| trmanco | I have a bunch | Sep 02 11:39 |
| trmanco | about 3 | Sep 02 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | like Konqueror is part of KDE, but then Firefox has hard dependencies, the way they set it up | Sep 02 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | then I go get Opera because I like it better | Sep 02 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | and I have three things that browse the web :P | Sep 02 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | It's comical | Sep 02 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | or should I say, Komikal? | Sep 02 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Since I am on kde 4 I don't have Konqueror currently installed. | Sep 02 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Not like I use it. | Sep 02 11:40 |
| trmanco | then what browser do you have? | Sep 02 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | super fantastiK even, the system doesn't stop growing til you have three web browsers, and two email clients | Sep 02 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Firefox because sites I go to need broader support. | Sep 02 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | this pretty much has Zawinski's Law beaten | Sep 02 11:41 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 02 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | "Every program expands til it can read email" | Sep 02 11:41 |
| oiaohm | At the rate kde intergration is going that could be true very soon DaemonFC | Sep 02 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose my law would be "Mandriva expands til you have everything that can browse the web or read email" | Sep 02 11:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Novell is Monetising FUD http://ping.fm/QpYT7 | Sep 02 11:42 | |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably go back to Mandriva with GNOME | Sep 02 11:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Installing... | Sep 02 11:43 | |
| DaemonFC | there's just something about too much duplicated functionality that does it in for me with their KDE setup | Sep 02 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | of course newbies will throw a conniption if they boot up and Firefox isn't there B-) | Sep 02 11:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "The Pain of Screencasting on Linux" http://bit.ly/10vTQJ | Sep 02 11:48 | |
| schestowitz | Cisco predicts swift California ramp < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/01/cisco_ucs_customers/ > | Sep 02 11:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Installed! BRB | Sep 02 11:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Google Wave To Splash Down This Fall < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/01/google-wave-to-splash-down-this-fall > | Sep 02 12:02 |
| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=maggie_s_farm&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Sep 02 12:04 |
| schestowitz | "It's politics, politics, politics, in both the folk-music scene of the 1960s and the Linux scene of the 2000s. And I've preached, and I've fought, and I've campaigned, and I've lectured, and I've taught, and I've stuck Tux-shaped crosses into lawns and set them ablaze in the night right alongside the most militant of you. | Sep 02 12:04 |
| schestowitz | And what have I accomplished? Doodly squat. | Sep 02 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Really, that's not my fault. The fault is upon this environment, this deadening, cloying atmosphere of Dark Ages America, where reading is a sin, science is an abomination, learning is a sacrilege, and progress is taboo. Not all of America is living in the Dark Age, but enough of it is to drag everybody else down with it. It was that way during the original European Dark Age, too." | Sep 02 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Not all desktops suite everyone. | Sep 02 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Pete is giving personal details now? http://www.penguinpetes.com/b2evo/about_me.html | Sep 02 12:06 |
| schestowitz | He uses b2 | Sep 02 12:06 |
| schestowitz | So it seems | Sep 02 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Father of WordPress | Sep 02 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | and stereotyping is rampant | Sep 02 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Sep 02 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: if we're in a dark age, how come the number of religious people dropped over 8% since 1991? | Sep 02 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | that should be a sign we're on the way out of one, right? | Sep 02 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | if they reached 90% and kept climbing, we'd really be in trouble | Sep 02 12:11 |
| schestowitz | I hope. | Sep 02 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | I think religious people are in the majority worldwide | Sep 02 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's just how overwhelming they are in any given place | Sep 02 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | and how many of them are truly backwards | Sep 02 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's also, I think, a "me too" effect | Sep 02 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | where someone may say they're a Christian on a survey even though they never go to church and don't believe any of it | Sep 02 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | on Easter and Christmas, church attendance has to at least double | Sep 02 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | because a lot of people only bother going when they're dragged there by family | Sep 02 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | and what about Germany? don't they tax you and give part of the taxes you pay to the churches? | Sep 02 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, at least I generally have freedom from religion in the US. I don't have a theocratic government that bases law on their holy book or forcing me to pay dues to a church | Sep 02 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see someone publicly denounce Islam in Iran, see if they last 5 minutes between that and their public lynching | Sep 02 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | there's still lots of places in the world where you have to say you believe in something you don't or have to say you don't believe in something you do or else they'll just drag you out into the street and shoot you | Sep 02 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm glad I'm not there :) | Sep 02 12:20 |
| oiaohm | We have been in a electronic dark age. | Sep 02 12:25 |
| MinceR | it isn't quite over yet | Sep 02 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Dark ages don't just happen because of relegion. | Sep 02 12:26 |
| oiaohm | they happen because particular people get too powerful. | Sep 02 12:26 |
| oiaohm | And start thinking they can control how people think. | Sep 02 12:26 |
| oiaohm | End result is sooner or latter an uprising. | Sep 02 12:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://ping.fm/Goj5V Microsoft Shoots Down Stallman’s Public Speech in Argentina — Claim #rms #fsf #gnu | Sep 02 13:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "innovation has never been Microsoft's strong suite. We're much better at ripping off our competitors. For example, we did not invent ei ... | Sep 02 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | "Christian fundamentalists can now purchase rapture insurance for their pets. I don't see anything wrong with profiting from their lunacy, but I think one is obligated first to try to talk them out of it. " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-jul-oct.html#02%20September%202009%20%28Rapture%20insurance%20for%20pets%29 | Sep 02 13:12 |
| schestowitz | U.S. Says Rendition to Continue, but With More Oversight < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/us/politics/25rendition.html?_r=3&hp > rendit^H^H^H^Horture | Sep 02 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Four years on, Katrina remains cursed by rumour, cliche, lies and racism < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/26/katrina-racism-us-media > | Sep 02 13:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK arrests children under 5. http://ping.fm/yVspa | Sep 02 13:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More fires believed to be stirred up by global warming, which in turns leads to more smoke (greenhouse effect) http://ping.fm/VINjS | Sep 02 13:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mexico and Argentina join Amsterdam. http://ping.fm/z1LOy | Sep 02 13:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-jul-oct.html#02%20September%202009%20%28Union%20leader%20killed%29 "Murders of union leaders in Colombia are typically carried out by the paramilitary terror gangs that are allied with President Alvaro Horrible. I suspect that Nestle paid them to it, since otherwise they would have no motive." | Sep 02 13:20 |
| trmanco | hello | Sep 02 13:22 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 02 13:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Con Kolivas is b-a-c-k-k-k.... http://ping.fm/o4yZs | Sep 02 13:23 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2009090200835OSBZMS | Sep 02 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Why is Bill taking this position? Odd...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8233324.stm | Sep 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Sharp to Introduce New Mobile Internet Tool < http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/090827.html > | Sep 02 14:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ever read rainbow's end? | Sep 02 14:28 |
| schestowitz | "Is there a ChromiumOS to go with ChromeOS? [...] In a recent report on TechCrunch, it was noted that modifications were being made to the Chrome browser which hint that the forthcoming ChromeOS will use the browser as the application launcher. Details also reveal that the developers at Google are extending the status bar to include an application launching control, a clock and battery indicator." | Sep 02 14:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/Is-there-a-ChromiumOS-to-go-with-ChromeOS--/news/114135 | Sep 02 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no. | Sep 02 14:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you should | Sep 02 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | How Not To Connect With Fans: Let Them Vote And Then Ignore The Vote http://techdirt.com/articles/20090901/0332076071.shtml | Sep 02 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071115/150246.shtml | Sep 02 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | "I called for what it was when college kids first started download music for free -- that they were crooks." - Gene Simmons (KISS) | Sep 02 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Sep 02 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Court Dismisses Case Against Yahoo From Woman Upset How She Appeared In Results < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090831/1625446057.shtml > There's a fool born every minute | Sep 02 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | how about calling it what it is, making copies of data that don't cost anything to make | Sep 02 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | and exposing the artificial scarcity that the recording industry uses to drive prices up | Sep 02 14:43 |
| schestowitz | I have a post about it coming | Sep 02 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Same propaganda for patent, in the BBC toda | Sep 02 14:43 |
| schestowitz | 2 articles from the BBC | Sep 02 14:43 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: patent brainwash alert | Sep 02 14:43 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8232130.stm and http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8233455.stm | Sep 02 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: As for the fake poll, they probably figured they'd make more money in Boston | Sep 02 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | shows you how little they think of fans | Sep 02 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think that once you had more money than you could spend in 10 lifetimes, your priorities would shift away from making more money and towards doing what you want to be doing | Sep 02 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's just not what these people do though | Sep 02 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | instead they bitch and moan about someone making a copy of a their $5 Greatest Hits album from Walmart | Sep 02 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Brill Gets More Delusional: Now Thinks 10 to 15% Of Online Newspaper Readers Will Pay < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090901/0243526068.shtml > | Sep 02 14:47 |
| schestowitz | What?? They could fill an entire CD with "greatest hits"? | Sep 02 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Ah, maybe a SIGNLE | Sep 02 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | I can understand a live concert ticket costing what they do, maybe. Because there's only so many people you can fit into an auditorium | Sep 02 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | there's no limit to how many copies can be made of a CD and it doesn't cost them any more work for a billion CDs than it does for 1 | Sep 02 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | hell, sometimes they record the concert and sell you that on the CD | Sep 02 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's a twofer | Sep 02 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 02 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Wall Street Journal editors must be smoking some ultra premium crack | Sep 02 14:53 |
| trmanco | ok I'm back | Sep 02 14:53 |
| trmanco | quassel is no good | Sep 02 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | they actually suggested, seriously, that Dick Cheney should run in 2012 | Sep 02 14:53 |
| trmanco | had to use xchat | Sep 02 14:53 |
| trmanco | amarok has no EQ, still using audacious | Sep 02 14:54 |
| trmanco | everthing else is fine | Sep 02 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | I agree with Keith Olbermann, his tagline should be "You think you know Republicans? You don't know Dick!" | Sep 02 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | Cheney to run... to hospital | Sep 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Republicans love people with coronary issues | Sep 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Then they can put stupid people in charge | Sep 02 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Like GWB, Palin... or shills like Biden in the Democrat's case | Sep 02 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Then they take instructions from so-called advisors | Sep 02 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Skype Dials New Owner… And Open Source < http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/09/01/skype-dials-new-owner-and-open-source/ > | Sep 02 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt Cheney will live to 2012 | Sep 02 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | he's in pretty bad shape now | Sep 02 15:06 |
| schestowitz | CCTV building not pornographic, Koolhaas says < http://mobile.shanghaiist.com/2009/08/31/cctv_building_not_pornographic_kool.php > | Sep 02 15:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe he'll do with EMC's co-founder did | Sep 02 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Bonfire of the e-salvageries < http://mobile.shanghaiist.com/2009/08/31/bonfire_of_the_e-salvageries.php > | Sep 02 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | Darvaz: “The Gates of Hell” < http://www.neweurasia.net/culture-and-history/darvaz-the-gates-of-hell/ > | Sep 02 15:12 |
| schestowitz | The Social History of the MP3 < http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/7689-the-social-history-of-the-mp3/1/ > | Sep 02 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Twitter surpasses MySpace in the UK http://thenextweb.com/2009/09/01/twitter-surpasses-myspace-uk/ | Sep 02 15:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Right! Re-recorded the screencast, now to see if pitivi will edit it down nicely | Sep 02 15:18 | |
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| satipera | I have just had an email from charles arthur at the guardian technology section, he has told me that they will be reviewing their Linux coverage. So fingers crossed. | Sep 02 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2009/08/citizendium-founder-ready-to-jump-ship/ "Now, Sanger tells me, he wants to move on from Citizendium, and is looking for a suitable institution to take over management of his pet project - though he promises he will not leave it in the lurch (see the comment added below)." | Sep 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | satipera: cool. | Sep 02 15:24 |
| satipera | I got cut off did you get my last post | Sep 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | <satipera> I have just had an email from charles arthur at the guardian technology section, he has told me that they will be reviewing their Linux coverage. So fingers crosse | Sep 02 15:24 |
| satipera | yes oh good ttfn | Sep 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | END | Sep 02 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Sinister plans to merge ID database with Criminal Records Bureau checks" < http://ping.fm/c3dZt > Let's just give up privacy, shall we? | Sep 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | EU mulls indicators to measure wellbeing 'beyond GDP' < http://www.euractiv.com/en/sustainability/eu-mulls-indicators-measure-wellbeing-gdp/article-184898 > | Sep 02 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | EMC to resell VMware management software < http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/316768/emc_resell_vmware_management_software?fp=16 > | Sep 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Green. http://www.sweet-juniper.com/2009/07/feral-houses.html | Sep 02 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | "EU mulls ban on tuna as stocks near collapse' < http://www.euractiv.com/en/environment/eu-mulls-ban-tuna-stocks-near-collapse/article-185010?Ref=RSS > I used to eat loads of tuna and stopped last year. | Sep 02 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Shooter's gallery: the 10 most influential FPS games < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/picture-galleries/6122651/Shooters-gallery-10-influential-FPS.html > | Sep 02 15:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "EU mulls ban on tuna as stocks near collapse' < http://ping.fm/1MzuW > I used to eat loads of tuna and stopped last year. | Sep 02 16:01 | |
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| schestowitz | 'Microsoft to inaugurate Paris Interop Lab on 10 September' < http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2505152/ > | Sep 02 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Dixons blames PC World for falling sales http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/dsgi_results/ | Sep 02 16:42 |
| *Ng stabs dixons stores group | Sep 02 16:44 | |
| Ng | they suck so so so very much, and they've utterly infected the british high street electrical/computer shop market :( | Sep 02 16:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] fingers crossed as 10 mins of video renders out of pitivi .. time passes | Sep 02 16:49 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Sep 02 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Sep 02 17:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's Linux Operating System to Have Model Similar to Chrome(ium)? http://ping.fm/yd6Y2 | Sep 02 17:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SMBs in the UK Look at Free Software Options, Shows Survey http://ping.fm/Szs9N | Sep 02 17:09 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: heh so you going to buy Windows 7? | Sep 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | No. I don't use Windows | Sep 02 17:18 |
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| pirulo | hi all | Sep 02 17:31 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I will buy a copy for me and a copy for you | Sep 02 17:36 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows 7 is based on Linux kernel | Sep 02 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | _Hicham_: your obviously trying to make some joke here, that I am not picking up on | Sep 02 17:39 |
| pirulo | can anyone provide me with info on Ambrose Ramsahai General Manager Puerto Rico | Sep 02 17:39 |
| pirulo | my google fu is weak today | Sep 02 17:40 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: thanks, but no thanks | Sep 02 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 gratis is like free puppy with 3 legs | Sep 02 17:42 |
| schestowitz | pirulo: what's he up to? | Sep 02 17:42 |
| *schestowitz just woke up from a nap | Sep 02 17:42 | |
| pirulo | just need to know what to expect, a general idea how he handles bussines | Sep 02 17:44 |
| pirulo | had a not so good experience with someone under him | Sep 02 17:45 |
| pirulo | so im wondering if he will be the same kind of person | Sep 02 17:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Community Manager Bypasses the Diabolical DRM Layer in Amazon's Linux Gadget http://ur1.ca/azr3 | Sep 02 17:52 | |
| schestowitz | Who is he working for? | Sep 02 17:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU GRUB and GNU MyServer - New Released and Opportunities http://ur1.ca/azrp http://ur1.ca/azrq | Sep 02 18:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] C Programming Still Hot, Java Stable http://www.advogato.org/article/1019.html | Sep 02 18:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun Engineer Happy to See Japan Electing a Techie http://bit.ly/1UgPON | Sep 02 18:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Academics Like to Share http://bit.ly/RXi7S | Sep 02 18:12 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz will be elected next PM of england | Sep 02 18:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Serious Copyright Reform Under Way http://ur1.ca/azsp http://ur1.ca/azsq http://ur1.ca/ay61 http://ur1.ca/azss | Sep 02 18:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Media Moguls and Their Front Groups (RIAA/MPAA) Deserve to Perish http://ur1.ca/azsv | Sep 02 18:20 | |
| pirulo | sorry, afk, he is the general manager of MS P.R. | Sep 02 18:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MSBBC Spreads Angry Patent Propaganda http://ur1.ca/azta http://ur1.ca/aztb http://ur1.ca/aztc | Sep 02 18:28 | |
| balzac | msbbc | Sep 02 18:35 |
| schestowitz | pirulo: all I know about MS PR (Puerto Rico) is that they manufactured Vista there... maybe Vista 7 too. It's cheaper for them. | Sep 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | pirulo: http://www.pr.com/press-release/133114 | Sep 02 18:41 |
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| ThistleWeb | I notice Maggie Sheils has another MS splog today | Sep 02 18:52 |
| schestowitz | You noticed? | Sep 02 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Me too! :-p | Sep 02 18:55 |
| schestowitz | She cites another shill: | Sep 02 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Ina Friedshill | Sep 02 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe the clue in hi her name Maggie Shills.....yep, she does lol | Sep 02 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | names aside, yeah it's pretty blatant again | Sep 02 18:57 |
| ThistleWeb | links to the windows 7 pre sales | Sep 02 18:57 |
| ThistleWeb | like the other wndows 7 slog posts they do | Sep 02 18:57 |
| ThistleWeb | the keywords are a thing too, in pro MS posts, there's LOTS of MS kewords, the post is littered with them, which makes them great consumption for the spiders | Sep 02 18:59 |
| ThistleWeb | yet when it's stories which are negative, MS keywords are hardly mentioned, except at the end of the peibce as the knight in silver armour coming in to offer customers advice on how to fix the issue under their terms | Sep 02 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | it'd be funny if it was a normal slog site | Sep 02 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | what it does do is make a mockery of the BBC's claims of "independant hugh quality journalism" | Sep 02 19:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ciphergoth Cash4gold try to shut down critics with legal threats: here comes the Streisand Effect http://is.gd/2O25D - please forward | Sep 02 19:02 | |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: search BN for her name | Sep 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz | She does a lot of Shieling [sic] | Sep 02 19:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @schestowitz don buy non-free phones. Symbian as OSS is vapourware. | Sep 02 19:34 | |
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| schestowitz | Taiwanese ships caught illegally transferring tuna at sea < http://www.worldfishing.net/news/news_story.ehtml?o=3229 > | Sep 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Pew Urges National Marine Fisheries Service to Protect Bluefin Tuna, Ban Long-line Fishing in the Gulf of Mexico http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS178728+01-Sep-2009+PRN20090901 | Sep 02 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Android software development relatively unprofitable < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144669 > | Sep 02 19:52 |
| schestowitz | http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/02/six-nations-gather-to-discuss-iranian-nuclear-talks/ | Sep 02 19:55 |
| schestowitz | 'The USTA posted signs in the players' lounge and locker rooms that states, "Important. Player Notice. Twitter Warning: Many of you will have Twitter accounts in order for your fans to follow you and to become more engaged in you and the sport – and this is great ... However popular it is, it is important to warn you of some of the dangers posed by Twittering as it relates to the Tennis Anti-Corruption Program Rules."' | Sep 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/02/us-open-doesnt-get-twitter | Sep 02 19:57 |
| tessier | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/08/windows-users-charlie-browns-of.html | Sep 02 19:59 |
| tessier | Good blog entry. | Sep 02 19:59 |
| ThistleWeb | the six nations discussing iran's nuclear talks seems a bit out of the remit of rugby to me | Sep 02 20:00 |
| ThistleWeb | unless the decision to sign or not is based on who wins a rugby match | Sep 02 20:01 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Sep 02 20:01 |
| ThistleWeb | lmao I can just see players pausing between serves to quicky nip to their laptops and tweet an update on that point | Sep 02 20:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: "A Video Editor that Just Works" http://bit.ly/2ReSdf | Sep 02 20:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikimedia Commons: 5 years and 5,000,000 files http://bit.ly/NEber | Sep 02 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | How much does Nokia contribute to FOSS? | Sep 02 20:13 |
| schestowitz | It does Qt and support KDE to an extent, but any kernel commits? | Sep 02 20:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Vernor Vinge: What if the Singularity does NOT happen? http://bit.ly/P891n /articles/art0696.html?m%3D1 | Sep 02 20:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Vernor Vinge: What if the Singularity does NOT happen? http://is.gd/2OdBL | Sep 02 20:17 | |
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| schestowitz | "Two bloggers from Azerbaijan are facing up to five years in jail after posting a video of a donkey giving a news conference on YouTube." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8233598.stm | Sep 02 20:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @doctorow "Streaming" doesn't exist. It's just downloading. Streaming is the phlogiston of the XXI century. | Sep 02 20:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Have you received the encrypted message Roy? | Sep 02 21:00 | |
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| schestowitz | "Germany says 'nein' to Google book deal [...] The German government has come out in opposition to Google's recent book settlement, declaring it would “irrevocably alter the landscape of international copyright law.”" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/germany_opposes_google_books_settlement/ | Sep 02 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | dinosaurs | Sep 02 21:06 |
| amd-linux | fresh from heise: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/dapp/opla/2009-08-25_interim_101_instructions.pdf | Sep 02 21:07 |
| amd-linux | --> only interim rules, but still a good sign | Sep 02 21:07 |
| amd-linux | see p. 3, section I.1 Step 1 | Sep 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: made on Windows | Sep 02 21:08 |
| amd-linux | hey, we are no dinosaurs :-) | Sep 02 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Adobe | Sep 02 21:08 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: DaemonFC is a troll | Sep 02 21:08 |
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| amd-linux | right, I forgot, he last time tried to offend me :-) | Sep 02 21:09 |
| schestowitz | He's not good at it | Sep 02 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | Germany=dinosaurs | Sep 02 21:09 |
| amd-linux | hi DeamonFC | Sep 02 21:09 |
| schestowitz | AT least he's dumping Vista 7b for Kubuntu now | Sep 02 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | their government is even more obviously infested by religion and the recording industry than most | Sep 02 21:09 |
| amd-linux | how is life under your rock ;-) (no offense intended...) | Sep 02 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | I mean at least most don't try to pride themselves on it | Sep 02 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Sep 02 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Opposite | Sep 02 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | not typically good for re-election | Sep 02 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Germany it a LOT less theist than the USian areas | Sep 02 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | then why do they tax you and send it to a church? | Sep 02 21:10 |
| schestowitz | WHy do you troll? | Sep 02 21:10 |
| schestowitz | trmanco can kickbaan you | Sep 02 21:10 |
| amd-linux | true, even crucifixes were banned from schools and we now have to offer ethics classes instead of classes in religion | Sep 02 21:11 |
| MinceR | but he won't. :> | Sep 02 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, _goblin | Sep 02 21:11 |
| _goblin | hi all. | Sep 02 21:11 |
| _goblin | :) | Sep 02 21:11 |
| amd-linux | hi there | Sep 02 21:11 |
| _goblin | Roy: What were you saying yesterday about linking to .net apps? | Sep 02 21:11 |
| amd-linux | well, mild forms of trolling can be entertaining.... | Sep 02 21:12 |
| _goblin | to my knowledge Ive never linked to any.... | Sep 02 21:12 |
| _goblin | just got 4.0.206.0 build of Chromium....still with it! | Sep 02 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | well unfortunately, Bush got a "Faith Based Initiatives thing going on as part of his office | Sep 02 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Whoa. This is weird: http://br-linux.org/2009/pelo-mysql-europa-pode-adiar-compra-da-sun-pela-oracle/#comment-61511 | Sep 02 21:13 |
| schestowitz | This dude has BN as his hokem URL | Sep 02 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | Obama, the spineless person he is, expanded it | Sep 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | As though it's his Web site | Sep 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I woote about the .NET App[le]s today | Sep 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about how the Microsoft shills use it | Sep 02 21:15 |
| _goblin | ah..... | Sep 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | While Microsoft pays .NET App[le]s | Sep 02 21:15 |
| _goblin | I thought you were saying that I had linked to .net apps....I would hope not, Ive spent alot of time voicing my concerns about it...I'd look like a hypocrite! | Sep 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Hey, let's be reasonable. Obama wants to please everyone (i.e. every lobbyist) | Sep 02 21:16 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: IDC seeds the .NET App[le]s | Sep 02 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Be careful. Publications reinforce the belief it counts | Sep 02 21:16 |
| amd-linux | Obama should start to push the ideas he got elected for..... | Sep 02 21:16 |
| schestowitz | In germany it's like 15% Linux in some news sites | Sep 02 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | Hillary Clinton: "It's not change you can believe in. It's change you can Xerox." | Sep 02 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 21:16 |
| _goblin | I was surprised De Icazza posted on my blog. | Sep 02 21:16 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: that was to get elected | Sep 02 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Same here in the UK | Sep 02 21:17 |
| amd-linux | currently, he tries to be friend with everyone from the old Bush era.... | Sep 02 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Using FOSS, love and harmony as gateway to serve lobbyists and sponsors | Sep 02 21:17 |
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| amd-linux | ok, he needs allies in administration, but he doesnt need to virtually hug and kiss them.... | Sep 02 21:17 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: he's just some guy | Sep 02 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: yes, same people | Sep 02 21:18 |
| _goblin | true...but then Openbytes is "Just some blog"!!!! | Sep 02 21:18 |
| schestowitz | He defends the status quo | Sep 02 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Biden also | Sep 02 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | The system change could come from the likes of R Paul | Sep 02 21:18 |
| schestowitz | But he's not a 'permissible' candidates | Sep 02 21:18 |
| amd-linux | but sooner or later he needs to start the wage the confrontation | Sep 02 21:18 |
| schestowitz | He challenges the system too much to gain funding and be electable | Sep 02 21:18 |
| amd-linux | to wage | Sep 02 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | Ron Paul? ugggh | Sep 02 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Heck, he could not even fit into any of the two factions that can be voted ("parties") | Sep 02 21:19 |
| amd-linux | maybe his plan is do hit them really hard in his second term | Sep 02 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | the Viva La Rethuglution | Sep 02 21:19 |
| _goblin | there is a big Hyper-V pimp going on in Twitter and some new MS accounts.....its the basis for my next article. | Sep 02 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Or R Nader | Sep 02 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it ain't your average Harvard/Yale lawyer-elitist | Sep 02 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Not electable | Sep 02 21:19 |
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| cubezzz-laptop | I liked Nader :) | Sep 02 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: just don't promote it too much (the product) | Sep 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes changing the name helps | Sep 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Like "Hype-^" | Sep 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Hype to the power | Sep 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Upside-down V | Sep 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Finding Files On The Command Line < http://www.howtoforge.com/finding-files-on-the-command-line > | Sep 02 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: riddle me this: in slang, can "crims" be short for "criminals"? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/patent_infrigement_criminal_offence/ | Sep 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Or is this a typo in the headline? | Sep 02 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | New breed of spycams pose threat to < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1531895/new-breed-spycams-pose-threat-privacy > | Sep 02 21:25 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Patent law and criminal law are two (IMO) completely different things, as is copyright theft. In respect of the later, the term theft IMO does not apply since....... | Sep 02 21:27 |
| _goblin | According to Sec(1) Theft Act - "To dishonestly appropriate property belonging to the other with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it" | Sep 02 21:28 |
| _goblin | since there is no permanent deprivation of "property" (in this case data) there is no theft....IMO | Sep 02 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I'll quote that later | Sep 02 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I was going to stay something about "Steal" | Sep 02 21:29 |
| schestowitz | The BBC had TWO propaganda articles | Sep 02 21:29 |
| _goblin | however...... | Sep 02 21:29 |
| schestowitz | And I have a post for tomorrow | Sep 02 21:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: The good parts. http://bit.ly/4OEKu | Sep 02 21:29 | |
| _goblin | the copyright theft act deals with the "sharing" of the work and the deprivation would be loss of income, thats why the separate offence was created..... | Sep 02 21:30 |
| _goblin | the point I was making was Copyright "Theft" is a bad choice of words since theft as outlined in Sec(1) does not IMO apply as per definition. | Sep 02 21:30 |
| _goblin | ...in the case of copyright theft. | Sep 02 21:31 |
| _goblin | It is worth noting, that file sharing is what makes the offence complete and the mere act of downloading would (IMO) have a civil remedy not a criminal one if no sharing was taking place. | Sep 02 21:31 |
| _goblin | although this is all open to argument and interpretation and is merely my interpretation of the criminal side of the copyright laws.... | Sep 02 21:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DHS photography guidelines < http://bit.ly/1a4oH4 > This is over the top. | Sep 02 21:32 | |
| cubezzz | Bell's doing a good job of throttling p2p | Sep 02 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Spyware ad-on targets Firefox fans < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/01/firefox_spyware_add_on/ > | Sep 02 21:33 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: good or bad? | Sep 02 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Depends on whose perspective | Sep 02 21:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google apologizes, explains Gmail outage< http://ur1.ca/b086 >. Funny that nobody speaks about Microsoft downtimes. "Screw Google"? | Sep 02 21:33 | |
| cubezzz | Bell is good at throttling :) | Sep 02 21:34 |
| cubezzz | I don't really like it, but it is what it is | Sep 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | So it's a _bad_ company | Sep 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: erosion is gradual | Sep 02 21:34 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, we have a duopoly in Canada for ISPs | Sep 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Next thing you know they'll charge premium for YouTube | Sep 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | This is why we need to defend against this | Sep 02 21:34 |
| cubezzz | there's Bell and Rogers and 3rd party guys who use Bell's equipment | Sep 02 21:35 |
| cubezzz | I don't really like Bell or Rogers | Sep 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Dupoly | Sep 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Like Democrats and Republicans in the States. | Sep 02 21:36 |
| schestowitz | *Duopoly | Sep 02 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Illusions of choice | Sep 02 21:36 |
| cubezzz | yeah, it's better than a monopoly :) | Sep 02 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Linux never had a monopoly | Sep 02 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat on the server is close, but not quite | Sep 02 21:36 |
| cubezzz | the other choice would be satellite internent which is 2x the cost | Sep 02 21:36 |
| cubezzz | so yeah, everything seems to move towards a monopoly or duopoly | Sep 02 21:37 |
| schestowitz | There's no Utopian market methodology, I think. But School of Chicago 'free market' is a DISASTER | Sep 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Look what it did to the US. Huge gap b/w rich and poor and HUGE loans for banks to lend money to people who will never be able to repay, not even their kids | Sep 02 21:39 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : how much market share does novell have on servers ? | Sep 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | DOn't know. Less than 20%, I'm pretty sure | Sep 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | On mainframe they have over 80% though | Sep 02 21:40 |
| _goblin | Schestowitz: According to the radio today UK PC sales from PC World and Comet are way down.....people are not buying....not encouraging news for the pimping of 7. | Sep 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | But that's IBM using RHT and NOVL by proxy | Sep 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | ORCL might try to gain some leverage in this game too. Red Hat seems less reliant on IBM and certainly on Microsoft, unlike Novell | Sep 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I'm happy about this news | Sep 02 21:42 |
| schestowitz | We need to downsize | Sep 02 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I read today about tuna running out | Sep 02 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I think we're consuming far too much and the issue is underreported | Sep 02 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Until one day we find that wolves are marsupials and tuna is the next Panda bear | Sep 02 21:42 |
| schestowitz | And then we eliminate our food chain too | Sep 02 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Which means less animals, pollen, flora, more gas and greenhouse effect, and system totally out of balance (self-balancing) | Sep 02 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Think of it this way | Sep 02 21:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz as i said, nobody *cares* about microsoft downtimes. but people actually *use* gmail. | Sep 02 21:43 | |
| schestowitz | We need the atmosphere but we also need to maintain some heat with fog and stuff, but once you get rid of oxygen-generating things you get more light that prevents them from cropping up in the first place | Sep 02 21:44 |
| cubezzz | basically do more with less | Sep 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | As with food, you can't even grow it well | Sep 02 21:45 |
| cubezzz | I grow some food, potatoes and tomatoes | Sep 02 21:45 |
| _Hicham_ | Bill Gates said he can prevents hurricanes from coming to America | Sep 02 21:45 |
| cubezzz | even some berries | Sep 02 21:45 |
| schestowitz | ANd we became dependent on treating animals like food-machines... from hatching eggs to protein sucking machines that turn to "chicken" (as in food) | Sep 02 21:45 |
| schestowitz | If you eliminate this, people starve | Sep 02 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Like African in the West | Sep 02 21:46 |
| _Hicham_ | by cooling down oceans' water | Sep 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: so you're more self-sufficient | Sep 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Not debt-driven | Sep 02 21:46 |
| cubezzz | yeah I try to be | Sep 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Bill Gates has many brainfarts | Sep 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: GWB has a plan to fight melting of the northern poll. Send many GE ACs over them immediately | Sep 02 21:47 |
| cubezzz | my backyard is a fair size which helps | Sep 02 21:47 |
| MinceR | how long will the pipes to the heat exchangers be? | Sep 02 21:49 |
| cubezzz | plus I don't even own a car :) | Sep 02 21:49 |
| MinceR | also, where will he place them? in space, where they can't release heat effectively? | Sep 02 21:49 |
| _Hicham_ | that is his idea | Sep 02 21:51 |
| _Hicham_ | he said he will implement it | Sep 02 21:51 |
| _Hicham_ | like Vista 7 | Sep 02 21:51 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Sep 02 21:51 |
| cubezzz | that doesn't sound too good :) | Sep 02 21:51 |
| cubezzz | a couple of centuries ago tons of people were farmers | Sep 02 21:52 |
| cubezzz | maybe we'll go back to that | Sep 02 21:52 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : let's buy a big farm | Sep 02 21:53 |
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| cubezzz | when you think about it, most people spent a lot on just food | Sep 02 21:53 |
| _Hicham_ | we are still spending a lot on just food | Sep 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Einstein: “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” | Sep 02 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | food is still a major problem | Sep 02 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz will be a great warrior | Sep 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: will there be mules left? Will any survive? | Sep 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | People are greed-driven. More food -> more birth | Sep 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Until like in Japan you have a small island with 120 million people finding room in skyscrapers and cubicles | Sep 02 21:56 |
| cubezzz | make the birth rate = the death rate, radical but maybe necessary | Sep 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | It's negative in much of Europe | Sep 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I once had a good table | Sep 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Let's see if Wikipedia has an equiv | Sep 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_rate | Sep 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Birth_rate_figures_for_countries.PNG | Sep 02 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | seems like schestowitz is planning to have 50 babies | Sep 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | It's a map rather than a table, but still..... | Sep 02 21:57 |
| cubezzz | I don't feel people are eager to have kids in North America, at least that's the impression I get | Sep 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: one is enough if mortality rate is low | Sep 02 21:58 |
| amarsh04 | .au population growth jumped after the introduction of the "baby bonus" | Sep 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: not all of them | Sep 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Some are welfare-hoarders | Sep 02 21:58 |
| _goblin | ....attraction marketing....thats a new one on me....an old scam with a new name..... | Sep 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | CLinton tried to end it | Sep 02 21:58 |
| _Hicham_ | having a lot of babies is the solution | Sep 02 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Some people make many babies ("baby machines") hoping that it's like an investment game and one might bring ROI | Sep 02 21:59 |
| schestowitz | No kidding | Sep 02 21:59 |
| _Hicham_ | like that, we will have more freedom activists | Sep 02 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Look at how Michael Jackson's dad treated his kids | Sep 02 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Pimping them for cash pretty much | Sep 02 21:59 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Sep 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: also more cannon fodder | Sep 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Like troops and factory lines in Columbine | Sep 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Let me find some video of a British economist | Sep 02 22:01 |
| schestowitz | He thinks farming will make a big comeback | Sep 02 22:01 |
| _Hicham_ | BinLaden dad have had 50 babies | Sep 02 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia's map indicated that lowest birth rate is in Germany | Sep 02 22:01 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I think baby bonus was introduced just after WWII | Sep 02 22:01 |
| schestowitz | They are ahead of the curve in that regard | Sep 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: easy for s guy | Sep 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Hard for a lady | Sep 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz | *"a guy" | Sep 02 22:02 |
| cubezzz | if you can control production, even a small production, you have more control | Sep 02 22:03 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : it wasn't one lady | Sep 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Jim Rogers/.. | Sep 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4I9jKLevUE&feature=PlayList&p=A688C60E8F527034&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12 | Sep 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | That was the guy.. | Sep 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | He has interesting infights | Sep 02 22:03 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You see that thing about the talk by RMS in Argentina being cancelled? | Sep 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | *insights | Sep 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I wrote about it | Sep 02 22:04 |
| tessier | cool | Sep 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/02/microsoft-vs-public-fs-speech/ | Sep 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Bush family has friends with the Bin Laden family | Sep 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | In the US the public is kept away from this info | Sep 02 22:05 |
| _Hicham_ | BinLaden is a product of the US | Sep 02 22:05 |
| _Hicham_ | Made in the US | Sep 02 22:06 |
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| _Hicham_ | he uses the package BinLaden-brandingUS is SUSE terminology | Sep 02 22:06 |
| _Hicham_ | *in | Sep 02 22:06 |
| cubezzz | it's like we have these two extremes... Gates and Stallman | Sep 02 22:07 |
| cubezzz | Gates is like an anti-Stallman | Sep 02 22:08 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: "People have asked me in the past for some screenshots of Goblin" http://www.wafaa.eu/index.php?/archives/205-Guide-To-Goblin-Part-1.html | Sep 02 22:08 |
| cubezzz | has anyone ever tried to do what Stallman did? | Sep 02 22:08 |
| schestowitz | WHo is older? | Sep 02 22:09 |
| schestowitz | RMS is like 55 IIRC | Sep 02 22:09 |
| _Hicham_ | When living in a world without walls and fences, why do we need windows and gates ? | Sep 02 22:09 |
| schestowitz | RMS was conceived to take down the billg | Sep 02 22:09 |
| cubezzz | Gates might be older actually | Sep 02 22:09 |
| schestowitz | GWB was conceived to tarnish US pride | Sep 02 22:10 |
| cubezzz | March 1953 for Stallman | Sep 02 22:10 |
| cubezzz | no, Stallman was first :) | Sep 02 22:10 |
| cubezzz | 1955 for Gates | Sep 02 22:10 |
| cubezzz | Sun could have been more popular, Waterloo had a number of Sun Workstations | Sep 02 22:12 |
| cubezzz | don't know if they still do | Sep 02 22:12 |
| cubezzz | but Microsoft out-marketed everyone | Sep 02 22:12 |
| cubezzz | they targeted programmers, tried to brain wash them, and it worked | Sep 02 22:13 |
| amarsh04 | too many companies wanted to get rich on m$' coat tails | Sep 02 22:13 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, programming for Windows is easy | Sep 02 22:13 |
| _Hicham_ | thanks to the complexity of MFC and Win32 API | Sep 02 22:14 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u think that Mono project will port MS Visual Studio to Linux ? | Sep 02 22:16 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: LOL... | Sep 02 22:17 |
| schestowitz | No | Sep 02 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Apropos: | Sep 02 22:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=1187 | Sep 02 22:18 |
| schestowitz | http://foodformonkeys.blogspot.com/2009/08/netmono-code-camp-in-tarragona-call-for.html | Sep 02 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Moblin infected by Mono/Banshee (no ECMA): http://www.wafaa.eu/index.php?/archives/205-Guide-To-Goblin-Part-1.html | Sep 02 22:18 |
| schestowitz | TO hell with Goblin | Sep 02 22:18 |
| _goblin | "People have asked me in the past for some screenshots of Goblin" - Am I a celeb (not) "an insight into the goodness that is Goblin" - They obviously know me well..... | Sep 02 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [not the person] :p | Sep 02 22:18 |
| _goblin | :) | Sep 02 22:19 |
| _goblin | could work in my favor from search engine referrals. | Sep 02 22:19 |
| _goblin | what better way to get the message out.... | Sep 02 22:19 |
| _goblin | maybe an article entitled "Goblin screenshots" and then a couple of photos with me in my cowboy hat playing the guitar. | Sep 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Decried the talk by Richard Stallman in Mar del Plata UTN http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.matware.com.ar%2Fsoftware-libre%2Fcensuraron-la-charla-de-richard-stallman-en-la-utn-de-mar-del-plata.html | Sep 02 22:21 |
| cubezzz | did you know when Gates first contacted Altair about Basic for Altair he didn't have Basic? | Sep 02 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : so Mono will be the best FOSS project ? | Sep 02 22:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.matware.com.ar/software-libre/censuraron-la-charla-de-richard-stallman-en-la-utn-de-mar-del-plata.html Censuraron la charla de Richard Stallman en la UTN de Mar del Plata | Sep 02 22:21 |
| cubezzz | sneaky right from the start | Sep 02 22:21 |
| schestowitz | THis outrage will bite Microsoft in the rear | Sep 02 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : we need a remix of the free software song | Sep 02 22:21 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's IDG | Sep 02 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | a dance remix | Sep 02 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft/Intel press | Sep 02 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Mono is their hope | Sep 02 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | ok, let's use mono | Sep 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Hope for derailing that 'commie stuff' | Sep 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: hat already exists] | Sep 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | tacone posted it | Sep 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Sep 02 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | a dance remix of the free software song ? | Sep 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/fs-song-that-doesnt-suck/ | Sep 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg | Sep 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Firefox plays it natively even | Sep 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Firefox is also a media player now | Sep 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | I use it to watch videos (bar Flash) | Sep 02 22:23 |
| _goblin | I still think the Henry Rollins song "Liar" could fit Microsoft products so well....maybe that could be their next ad campaign. | Sep 02 22:23 |
| cubezzz | yikes "MIcrosoft pushes for a single Global Patent System" | Sep 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft contract forces cancellation of Stallman talk in Argentina (Matware) < http://lwn.net/Articles/350392/ > | Sep 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: where> | Sep 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 02 22:24 |
| cubezzz | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39736289,00.htm | Sep 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | That's just US patent colonisation | Sep 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | As in, be slaves to the West | Sep 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Ah, it's their patent terrorist | Sep 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Horacio | Sep 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Just put the bugger in prison with Icahn and Mhyrvold | Sep 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | They are leeches | Sep 02 22:26 |
| cubezzz | wow, they signed a contract prohibiting criticism of Microsoft? | Sep 02 22:26 |
| cubezzz | what a bad contract | Sep 02 22:26 |
| schestowitz | It's Microsoft lobbying blog. http://microsoftontheissues.com/cs/blogs/mscorp/archive/2009/09/01/improving-global-patents-think-locally-act-globally.aspx | Sep 02 22:26 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft is a good company, we shouldn't criticize it | Sep 02 22:27 |
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| _Hicham_ | it is even helping Linux world | Sep 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 02 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | they are giving silverlight for linux | Sep 02 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | to counter HTML5 | Sep 02 22:27 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft is superimposed right over Australia :) | Sep 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Like the US soldiers patting Afghan kids on the head for thecameras | Sep 02 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | and svg | Sep 02 22:28 |
| cubezzz | bummer | Sep 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | That's Microsoft and Linux | Sep 02 22:28 |
| cubezzz | it never ends | Sep 02 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | we should help microsoft make its products better | Sep 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather expose them for what they are | Sep 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Let people decide | Sep 02 22:29 |
| _Hicham_ | does microsoft have a bugzilla ? | Sep 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Sorta | Sep 02 22:29 |
| _Hicham_ | ok, let us start filing bugs for them | Sep 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | They have too much pride to use someone else's 'dog food' | Sep 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | "Send |Don't Send" | Sep 02 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what would be the first bug ? | Sep 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | They don't even watch these | Sep 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It's for statistics | Sep 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | So when it hits 1 million they might bother to have a look | Sep 02 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | would it be first launchpad bug ? | Sep 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | brb | Sep 02 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | ok | Sep 02 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has really run out of options | Sep 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz | It's just obsessed with software patents now | Sep 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I've mailed the FFII about it | Sep 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft=next SCO | Sep 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | eWEEK is covering Microsoft/Mono stuff: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Messaging-and-Collaboration/MindTouch-Promises-Safe-Crowdsourcing-For-Product-Documentation-452960/ | Sep 02 22:35 |
| schestowitz | It's called "open source", but it's .NET and it's made by Microsoft employees (former) | Sep 02 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Another company that makes FOSS is acquired: Intalio Acquires Webtide, Developer of the Jetty Application Server < http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-01-2009/0005086396&EDATE= > | Sep 02 22:38 |
| cubezzz | acquired by Microsoft? | Sep 02 22:39 |
| cubezzz | btw someone talked about a Linux based bluray player, I've been trying to find it | Sep 02 22:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO: "Such programming creates a new machine because a general purpose computer, in effect, becomes a special purpose computer" Bullshit | Sep 02 22:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.psfk.com/2009/09/eyewriter-an-artistic-tool-for-individuals-with-als.html "The collaborative efforts of the Graffiti Research Lab, Free Art+ Technology, Open Frameworks, and The Ebeling Group- organizations specializing in various aspects of open source computing" Watch the 2nd picture | Sep 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I think I heard about it this wek | Sep 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Not seen it though | Sep 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | BluRay=MAFIAA | Sep 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Better not mix these too.. akin to Kindle | Sep 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Or MPAA's use of Xubuntu to police the Web in education | Sep 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | GPL violation that was..... | Sep 02 22:45 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I look at doom9's forums | Sep 02 22:45 |
| cubezzz | I've seen some HD recordings, which work on mplayer | Sep 02 22:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : yes, I worried you'd repeat when I uttered the observation. | Sep 02 22:50 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: we were just linking to your Free Software Song Remix | Sep 02 22:50 |
| tacone | nice | Sep 02 22:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz gmail going down is actual news - it was actually a trending topic on twitter even! hotmail going down is just normal. | Sep 02 22:52 | |
| *amarsh04 has a blu-ray disc on order, might give it away to someone who already has a player | Sep 02 22:55 | |
| amarsh04 | I wouldn't buy a sony player, pioneer would be ok but expensive | Sep 02 22:56 |
| amarsh04 | irony is that I wouldn't have ordered the blu-ray (or its ordinary dvd equivalent) unless I'd first seen most of the content on the internet | Sep 02 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Blu-Ray needs very HD TVs to be realised for its quality | Sep 02 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Some crappy ol' 21" TV would be a waste | Sep 02 22:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] CEO of Heartland has only now learned: "PCI compliance doesn't mean secure." No sh*t, Sherlock! http://bit.ly/p3OKu Blaming the QSA is lame. | Sep 02 22:59 | |
| *schestowitz plays YouTube/HD full-screen on 24" high-res monitor | Sep 02 22:59 | |
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| amarsh04 | I'll get my local hi-fi store to demo their equipment with the blu-ray disc | Sep 02 23:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Publication Praises GNU/Linux for Immaculate Support http://bit.ly/g96h | Sep 02 23:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] VISI Goes for GNU/Linux in Fog Storage http://bit.ly/IQDdZ | Sep 02 23:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Indian Officials to be Equipped with GNU/Linux Laptops http://tinyurl.com/m8ux7o | Sep 02 23:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Enterprise (GNU)Linux 5.4 is Released http://bit.ly/lByxY | Sep 02 23:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Battlefield 2 v1.50 Linux Dedicated Server and CrossOver Games 8.0 Released http://ur1.ca/b0g1 http://ur1.ca/b0g2 | Sep 02 23:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kernel Space: Linux Filesystems Compared form Metadata Performance http://bit.ly/2HlY3B | Sep 02 23:13 | |
| _goblin | Looking forward to reading your copyright article Roy. | Sep 02 23:13 |
| schestowitz | It's about patents | Sep 02 23:14 |
| schestowitz | There's lots going on | Sep 02 23:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://windows7sins.org/ #microsoft #foss #linux #xp #windows #vista #windows7 | Sep 02 23:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Known Freedom Hater Reviews the Linux-based Nokia N900 http://bit.ly/4xlVSe | Sep 02 23:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Skype Shakeups an Opening for Free Software #VoIP http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144671 | Sep 02 23:18 | |
| _goblin | ah...ill look forward to it. | Sep 02 23:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin http://windows7sins.org/ #microsoft #xp #windows #vista #windows7 | Sep 02 23:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software a King of #Hosters http://ur1.ca/b0gu | Sep 02 23:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wikimedia Commons Hits Major Milestone http://bit.ly/1LhZOn (ta, @davidgerard ) | Sep 02 23:24 | |
| _goblin | does anyone know if dyne:bolic is still ongoing? | Sep 02 23:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open-Source #Hardware is Materialising http://bit.ly/UnX2N | Sep 02 23:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon Breaks Its 'Open' #API http://bit.ly/NBAqC | Sep 02 23:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NPR Defends Open/Free #Sharing of Content as a Business Model http://www.newsweek.com/id/208703/output/print | Sep 02 23:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Abused by #AstroTurfers Who Cost Many Lives http://ur1.ca/b0hm http://ur1.ca/b0hq | Sep 02 23:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Authors Deviate from #IntellectualMonopolies http://techdirt.com/articles/20090828/0159066032.shtml | Sep 02 23:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #China Implodes in a #Patent System of Its Own Creation http://ur1.ca/b0ht http://ur1.ca/b0hu | Sep 02 23:41 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm on Linux Mint | Sep 02 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | it does seem to be a lot better than Ubuntu | Sep 02 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | they ripped some of the the GTK+ theming engines out of OpenSuse and the SLAB menu | Sep 02 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | it feels like a very Suse-ish Ubuntu | Sep 02 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 02 23:45 |
| _goblin | maybe thats simply because its green.... | Sep 02 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | not just that, the look and feel of the entire GUI is obviously "inspired" by OpenSuse | Sep 02 23:46 |
| MinceR | beyond look, how is it better than plain ubuntu? | Sep 02 23:46 |
| MinceR | did they also kill pulseaudio with fire, for example? | Sep 02 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Better defaults, Pulseaudio doesn't glitch | Sep 02 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's more than skin deep | Sep 02 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | all your codecs and everything are already there | Sep 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no dyne:bolic release in about a year | Sep 02 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing I had to add to get a functional system is the Nvidia driver | Sep 02 23:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Main Patent Bully Horacio Gutierrez Wants Software Patents Globally http://ur1.ca/b0i0 | Sep 02 23:47 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They gutted a lot of stupid bloatware like Evolution too | Sep 02 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | replaced by Thunderbird | Sep 02 23:49 |
| MinceR | Evolution needs to be fixed, not gutted | Sep 02 23:49 |
| MinceR | Thunderbird's IMAP support is far behind, iirc | Sep 02 23:49 |
| schestowitz | F* MAFIAA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb9X_Pisi84&feature=related | Sep 02 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's more or less how Ubuntu would end up if I spent hours doctoring it up | Sep 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I was going to watch this last part | Sep 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "This video contains an audio track that has not been authorized by WMG. The audio has been disabled. More about copyright" | Sep 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Watch the comments | Sep 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Bastard | Sep 02 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Sep 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "I'll never buy music again from them! Money is more important to them than educating mankind about the universe, shame on you WMG!" | Sep 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | So now they just ruin osmos | Sep 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | So now they just ruin Cosmos | Sep 02 23:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Indonesians Are Taught to Deploy #GNU #Linux with #Zimbra http://bit.ly/3l1LN | Sep 02 23:51 | |
| DaemonFC | it also understands what an MP3 player using standard MSC mode is | Sep 02 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is just stupid and treats it the same as a flash drive | Sep 02 23:52 |
| MinceR | 010041 < DaemonFC> it also understands what an MP3 player using standard MSC mode is | Sep 02 23:52 |
| MinceR | a paperweight? :> | Sep 02 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Sep 02 23:52 |
| MinceR | i never remember what MSC is | Sep 02 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | Mass Storage Class | Sep 02 23:52 |
| MinceR | except for Mobile Switching Center, of course | Sep 02 23:52 |
| MinceR | oh. | Sep 02 23:52 |
| trmanco | http://friendfeed-media.com/71af598d1d3dcd9be13afb193f095b61ec496d02 | Sep 02 23:52 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 02 23:53 |
| MinceR | i confused it with the other one. | Sep 02 23:53 |
| MinceR | then there's Master of Science, but that's MSc | Sep 02 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | pretty generic transfer mode, it's your only option that doesn't involve Microsoft "tweaks" that don't always work so well if you're not on Windows | Sep 02 23:53 |
| MinceR | yes, now i know | Sep 02 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | (or if you're on older versions of Windows or XP x64) | Sep 02 23:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I'm on KDE 4.3.1, have a look! [pic] http://ff.im/7yXw2 | Sep 02 23:53 | |
| MinceR | the m$ hack fails even on XP x64? | Sep 02 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's something else that needs to be pointed out, when you use Microsoft protocols and formats, older versions of Windows don't even always work with them | Sep 02 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | you can burn a CD in Vista using Explorer and XP might not read it | Sep 02 23:54 |
| MinceR | well, another thing that needs to be pointed out is that if you use m$ protocols and formats, no version of any m$ product will always work with them | Sep 02 23:54 |
| MinceR | some of them might work some of the time and then you can call yourself lucky | Sep 02 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they also tend to be dropped later on and anything you made with the old version is toast | Sep 02 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 02 23:55 |
| MinceR | even the one made with the right version is a piece of crap, so it will fail often | Sep 02 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | people understand that to some degree, it's why OOXML and WMA aren't exactly runaway hits with anyone that Microsoft hasn't leaned on | Sep 02 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | but there are always a few out there that just save to whatever format the program defaults to and then get mad when you're using, say, Office 2003, and it can't understand Office 2007 XML | Sep 02 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's not new, Microsoft has been doing that to force upgrades since at least Office 97 | Sep 02 23:57 |
| MinceR | and there are always a few who always think everything that comes out of m$ is god's own work and perfect as it is | Sep 02 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say their formats are spread more through ignorance on the part of the user | Sep 02 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | than anyone who intentionally set out to use them | Sep 02 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You may want to mention something about Office 2007, now that I think about it | Sep 02 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is dumping | Sep 02 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | the "back to school" laptops all have Office 2007 Home and Student Edition on them for free | Sep 02 23:59 |
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