IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 5th, 2009

Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> Bill, Ballmer, are just the latest in a long line of Robber Barons.  None of them ever had to give up their wealth.  It will not happen here in the USASep 05 00:00
MinceRi'm afraid you're right on all countsSep 05 00:00
MinceRbut that doesn't mean it has to be that way or that it's right to be left that way.Sep 05 00:00
Chips_B_MalroyI wish you are right, but I have lost hope for thatSep 05 00:01
Chips_B_MalroyMaybe the EUSep 05 00:01
MinceRnahSep 05 00:01
MinceRantitrust offenders aren't punished here eitherSep 05 00:01
MinceRand i'm not sure how long we'll endure the continued push for sw patents coming from the usa.Sep 05 00:02
MinceRit's interesting how people all agree that small-scale thieves might have their freedom restricted and forced to make reparationsSep 05 00:02
MinceRbut the really big thieves are somehow sacredSep 05 00:03
MinceRthey must be allowed to keep their palaces filled with stacks of goldSep 05 00:03
MinceRand they must be allowed to keep stealingSep 05 00:03
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MinceRthey're such nice people after allSep 05 00:03
schestowitzMutex outSep 05 00:03
MinceR(like the one who throws chairs)Sep 05 00:03
schestowitzbalzac unbannedSep 05 00:04
MinceRthat's one less troll then :>Sep 05 00:04
MinceRand that will be one more troll thenSep 05 00:04
schestowitzMinceR: I was just writing about sw patentsSep 05 00:05
schestowitzThat's why I wasn't paying attentionbSep 05 00:05
schestowitzI've just caught upSep 05 00:05
schestowitzThe wrong person was kicked IMHO because Mutex was supposed to be kicked in the morningSep 05 00:06
MinceRmutex only said a single sentenceSep 05 00:06
schestowitzbalzac is not against out cause, unlike real trollsSep 05 00:06
schestowitzMinceR: he said more earlierSep 05 00:06
schestowitzCamping todaySep 05 00:06
MinceRwell, apparently he is for the well-being of those who only care to harm usSep 05 00:06
MinceRi don't see how such a person can be an allySep 05 00:07
schestowitzStrong language can be misinterpreted on the WebSep 05 00:07
schestowitz[in text]Sep 05 00:07
schestowitzIt's better off avoided because the sensitive folks take it literallySep 05 00:07
schestowitzWe've been through this before with OmarSep 05 00:07
MinceRi meant some of it literallySep 05 00:07
MinceRi don't see how people who trample on the freedom of all of us every day deserve to have freedom.Sep 05 00:08
MinceR(and a lot of people don't even realize how they're being ripped off)Sep 05 00:08
MinceRi'd like to hear ballmer's explanation whether he considers his acts moral and why.Sep 05 00:10
schestowitzHe can'tSep 05 00:11
schestowitzHe makes moneySep 05 00:11
schestowitzSo he's a good person :-)Sep 05 00:11
schestowitzProvides for the familySep 05 00:11
schestowitzYachts and stuffSep 05 00:11
MinceRi'm sureSep 05 00:12
MinceRi'm sure he believes he deserves that money more than his competitors who happen to have families of their ownSep 05 00:12
MinceRand whose only "crime" was that they dared make better productsSep 05 00:12
MinceRso he had to place a few bribes here and there to get his waySep 05 00:13
schestowitzJust face it, you love him [video] http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/21/msft-attitude/Sep 05 00:13
MinceR(for example in the hungarian courts)Sep 05 00:13
MinceRi have no love for criminals like himSep 05 00:13
MinceRit would be very hard to justify why he'd have any right to any kind of freedom nowSep 05 00:14
MinceRhe sets a bad example for othersSep 05 00:14
MinceR"do this and you'll be filthy rich too!"Sep 05 00:14
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529    "Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t     Some really good information on the Gates foundation money and how much it has to spendSep 05 00:15
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Chips_B_Malroyquote:  "In 2006 when most people in such a situation might think of retiring to a quiet Pacific island, Bill Gates decided to devote his energies to his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the world’s largest ‘transparent’ private foundation as it says, with a whopping $34.6 billion endowment and a legal necessity to spend $1.5 billion a year on charitable projects around the world to maintain its tax free chSep 05 00:16
Chips_B_Malroyso you spend that 1.5 billion  on companies you already own or own stock in maybe?Sep 05 00:17
MinceRof courseSep 05 00:17
ThistleWebthe rules are made by those who are exploiting itSep 05 00:18
MinceRand on forcing others to choose your products over those of competitorsSep 05 00:18
Chips_B_MalroyI am looking for the angle on how BG evades taxes with the foundationSep 05 00:18
ThistleWebthey don't "invest" in politicians for nothingSep 05 00:18
MinceRyes, and those rules are brutally enforced over usSep 05 00:18
MinceRbut i guess my freedom doesn't matter to anyoneSep 05 00:18
MinceRonly that of these rich criminalsSep 05 00:18
ThistleWebMinceR: it only matters if you have wads of cash you're looking to get rid ofSep 05 00:19
ThistleWebeven if it is other peaoples cashSep 05 00:19
ThistleWebpeoples*Sep 05 00:19
Chips_B_MalroyI do see one glimer of hope here in the usaSep 05 00:20
MinceRi don't see why some (relatively) poor people defend these criminals so muchSep 05 00:20
MinceRdo they believe that they could do the same?Sep 05 00:20
MinceRor that they could get some scraps?Sep 05 00:21
Chips_B_Malroyits the fact that the gov cannot really tax the middle lower class anymore.  Their only real source on revenue is to raise taxes on the rich nowSep 05 00:21
MinceRdoesn't matterSep 05 00:21
MinceRthey threaten you with guns to make you pay and then they waste all that moneySep 05 00:21
MinceRor keep itSep 05 00:21
Chips_B_Malroypeope are broke hereSep 05 00:21
MinceR"taxing" is just an euphemism for "robbery"Sep 05 00:21
Chips_B_Malroy12.5% official unemployment rate hereSep 05 00:22
Chips_B_Malroyunofficial at least 22%Sep 05 00:22
MinceRs/ing/ation/Sep 05 00:22
Chips_B_MalroyCalif-NevadaSep 05 00:23
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yes, unofficialSep 05 00:23
schestowitzThey change definitions to embellishSep 05 00:23
schestowitzNot to cause panicSep 05 00:23
schestowitzThe new tune is that there is a recoverySep 05 00:23
Chips_B_Malroymore than that RoySep 05 00:23
schestowitzJust ignore those 0.30.05 ml that are fired every monthSep 05 00:24
Chips_B_Malroynone hereSep 05 00:24
schestowitz*.3-.5Sep 05 00:24
ThistleWebplenty of peeps are excluded from figuresSep 05 00:24
ThistleWebunedr 18?Sep 05 00:24
ThistleWebunder*Sep 05 00:24
ThistleWebstill unemployed, but since they can't sign on, they dont count in the figuresSep 05 00:25
Chips_B_Malroythe state govs are laying off the last few months as well, as the tax base in most states have decreased by 20%Sep 05 00:25
Chips_B_MalroyThistleWeb:  exactlySep 05 00:25
ThistleWebthese figures are currency for politiciansSep 05 00:26
ThistleWebaccuracy is irrelevantSep 05 00:26
ThistleWebthey will be spun to whatever agenda the speaker is trying to furtherSep 05 00:26
ThistleWebhighly selectiveSep 05 00:27
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: same hereSep 05 00:27
schestowitzPublic sector cutsSep 05 00:27
ThistleWebintended to be interpreted in whatever way you see fitSep 05 00:27
Chips_B_MalroyThey choosed to protect the banks, insurance companies at taxpayers expense.  While taxpayers were losing their jobs and homes.Sep 05 00:27
schestowitzThough I've been sent some nice info about post-doc openings in Oxford Sep 05 00:27
schestowitzBN is more important ATMSep 05 00:28
schestowitzThistleWeb: it's like labour and quantitative targetsSep 05 00:28
schestowitzPlaying by numbersSep 05 00:28
ThistleWebof courseSep 05 00:28
schestowitzLet the patients sleep in the hallway, then say you met targets of # of bedSep 05 00:28
schestowitz*bedsSep 05 00:28
schestowitzSort of cheat to cur corners and meet targetsSep 05 00:29
schestowitz*cutSep 05 00:29
ThistleWebthey have no idea that the public have lost trust in the lot of themSep 05 00:29
schestowitzThere's a BBC documentary about itSep 05 00:29
schestowitzI can find it...Sep 05 00:29
schestowitzWait...Sep 05 00:29
ThistleWebthat's the normSep 05 00:29
ThistleWebfiddle the priorites to meet the targets, because the targets mean resourcesSep 05 00:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: No [News] postings to COLA today, what's up?Sep 05 00:30
schestowitzBuggerSep 05 00:31
schestowitzYouTube removed older copiesSep 05 00:31
schestowitzThere are some distored ones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LaJBhJH0I4&feature=PlayList&p=317E5B3F4833C863&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=18Sep 05 00:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst huh? Yes, I posted. http://bit.ly/UcPw5Sep 05 00:33
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_Hicham_I was just trying Ubuntu KarmicSep 05 00:40
_Hicham_it has serious regressionsSep 05 00:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] lolwut http://itmanager3.intel.com we need a flash game of BOFH. or The IT Crowd.Sep 05 00:41
schestowitzI like thois picture: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/attacks-on-iis-reported/Sep 05 00:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software Patents Do Not Apply to Microsoft http://ping.fm/yx2aFSep 05 00:45
_Hicham_i dont see the relationshipSep 05 00:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Sorry Roy, I missed the [News] post, my fault. I was a bit to inpatient.Sep 05 00:46
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twitterM$ FTP Fail.  ha ha.Sep 05 00:46
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Chips_B_MalroyMS likes software patents as Bill comes from a legal family.  So patents, copywrites, contracts with other companies, on top of lock in of formats etc. are seen as MS knowhow.  They have embraced the lockin so much, that IMO they have forgotten to fix Windows the core product.Sep 05 00:48
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ThistleWebwhy should they fix something if they ensure the customers have no choice but to buy it? That would mean spending money they dont need to, which eats into the profitsSep 05 00:50
Chips_B_MalroyThe one thing MS cannot seem to learn, is that Patent Trolls, and other companies, sue companies that have lots of money.  MS is a big fat target for patent lawsuits.Sep 05 00:50
ThistleWebthey only start to have to fix things when enough customers get a whiff of the competition, and that competition is better than their productSep 05 00:51
Chips_B_MalroyThistleWeb>  only because they are bleeding desktop market shareSep 05 00:51
ThistleWebIE was stagnant before FirefoxSep 05 00:51
ThistleWebdue to Firefox, MS had no choice but to address it's flaws before it lost ALL of it's market shareSep 05 00:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst glad you find 'em usefulSep 05 00:52
ThistleWebthe response was a much better, but still not great, still not standards compliant IE7Sep 05 00:52
schestowitzToday's IRC log was 1mbSep 05 00:53
schestowitzlargest one ever was about 1.5mbSep 05 00:53
Chips_B_MalroyThe browser was more about possible controll than money.  Although, I suspect MS wanted to do more with it, but figured out the EU would not allow it.  They wanted to use IE to impose media formats on the web, and advertising no doubt.Sep 05 00:53
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ThistleWebunfortunatly for MS, they're being forced to compete on many levels, without a great base productSep 05 00:54
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Chips_B_MalroyRoy, maybe I yacked too much?Sep 05 00:54
ThistleWeball during a worldwide recession and at a time when one of their flagship products was rejected en masseSep 05 00:54
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Chips_B_MalroyThe best thing that can be said about the recession, is that it teaches some people how to better spend their money, a lession in life.  Not to spend it on things that you really do not need, like M$ products.Sep 05 00:56
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ThistleWebsadly, some see MS as essentialSep 05 00:57
Xarver;(Sep 05 00:57
ThistleWebthey'll cut costs elsewhere without realising MS is surplus to requirementsSep 05 00:57
Chips_B_Malroytrue, but I bet the recession has caused less people to see it that waySep 05 00:57
XarverM$ became more corrupt when Ballmer became CEO :(Sep 05 00:57
ThistleWebwhen I was a smoker and had little money, ciggies were practically the first thing on the "things you can't live without" listSep 05 00:58
Chips_B_Malroyfewer high end Windows PC's being sold, I rest my caseSep 05 00:58
ThistleWebyou somehow find the money for them, even if it's not good for youSep 05 00:58
ThistleWebyep, plenty of peeps are putting off buying new PCsSep 05 00:59
ThistleWebor buying cheaper onesSep 05 00:59
ThistleWebthing is, an entry level PC is more then enough for most usersSep 05 01:00
Chips_B_Malroy<Xarver> M$ became more corrupt when Ballmer became CEO :(     Maybe, but I maintain that Ballmer is the apprentise to the slith lord.  They are so close in their thinking, that like the Model T Ford, the parts are interchangable.Sep 05 01:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] if yer gonna tweet, write well. http://bit.ly/EubFY (by @RoyPeterClark)Sep 05 01:00
XarverChips_B_Malroy: Bill wasn't as bad as Ballmer thank god.Sep 05 01:00
ThistleWebwasn't as bald?Sep 05 01:00
ThistleWeboh badSep 05 01:01
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schestowitzJust as badSep 05 01:01
schestowitzXarver: they are both problematixSep 05 01:01
schestowitzAnd billg is still at MicrosoftSep 05 01:01
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer is the more entertaining of the twoSep 05 01:02
ThistleWebBill was in charge of a different era in MS's historySep 05 01:02
schestowitzMore like a lobbyist/financier nowSep 05 01:02
Xarverschestowitz: yes, but he's only chairmanSep 05 01:02
schestowitzHe funds the patent troll for exampleSep 05 01:02
ThistleWebwhere they were in their prime, able to dodge more accusationsSep 05 01:02
schestowitzIV... with capital/investment of $5bnSep 05 01:02
schestowitzSo Billy keeps putting money in patent trolling and attacks on his rivalsSep 05 01:02
ThistleWebBallmer is having to deal with a lot of falloutSep 05 01:02
schestowitzVery nasty manSep 05 01:02
ThistleWebnot to mention his own fuckupsSep 05 01:02
Chips_B_MalroyBill is also the largest shareholderSep 05 01:02
schestowitzHe bought the pressSep 05 01:02
schestowitzSo they glorify his so that he can receive awards and tiarasSep 05 01:03
ThistleWebprobably helps that Bill is known as a geekSep 05 01:03
schestowitzHe's notSep 05 01:03
MinceRby whom?Sep 05 01:03
schestowitzHe's a law studentSep 05 01:03
schestowitzHe was a bad programmerSep 05 01:03
MinceRhe's just a failed lawyerSep 05 01:03
schestowitzMinceR: queen of EnglandSep 05 01:03
ThistleWebreally?Sep 05 01:03
schestowitzHer corruptible advisors must have told her to knight billgSep 05 01:03
schestowitzIt's all boughtSep 05 01:04
ThistleWebI always thought Bill was a geek who managed to make good (profit wise)Sep 05 01:04
schestowitzIt got exposed in a scandal some years backSep 05 01:04
MinceRshe's just an expensive decoration anywaySep 05 01:04
Chips_B_Malroyexactly a failed lawyer from a family of lawyers that knew what he could get away withSep 05 01:04
ThistleWebBallmer always struck me as a used car salesmanSep 05 01:04
MinceRa way the british people manage to throw some of their copious money out the windowSep 05 01:04
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: poor billSep 05 01:04
schestowitzGrew up with silver spoon in his mouthSep 05 01:04
schestowitz:-pSep 05 01:04
MinceRcelebrating a form of oppressive government while being fully aware that it's not what they wantSep 05 01:05
MinceRand not what they practiceSep 05 01:05
schestowitzHis parents sort of used his for their ambitions tooSep 05 01:05
schestowitzMom and dad did lots of the work to grook BillySep 05 01:05
schestowitz*groomSep 05 01:05
schestowitzThere's a good historical writing about itSep 05 01:05
schestowitzSeveral in factSep 05 01:05
Chips_B_MalroyReally, I don't wish this on the people of India, but I hope MS moves thereSep 05 01:05
schestowitzBut it's the same with Rothschilds and RockefellersSep 05 01:06
schestowitzThey are just born in powerful familiesSep 05 01:06
schestowitzSo they can be handed over good positionsSep 05 01:06
schestowitzLook at George BushSep 05 01:06
schestowitzHe almost failed his examsSep 05 01:06
schestowitzThen his family made phonecalls to sort him outSep 05 01:07
schestowitzMany people wanted to be in the national guard and got twice his scoreSep 05 01:07
Chips_B_MalroyBush is a very minor Robber Baron family.Sep 05 01:07
schestowitzBut he and his family cheatedSep 05 01:07
schestowitzThey sort of 'planted' young George inside 'the system'Sep 05 01:07
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yes, compard to someSep 05 01:07
Chips_B_Malroysure, most of the politian families do hereSep 05 01:07
schestowitzLike RothschildSep 05 01:07
schestowitzBut Bush famnily had enormous powerSep 05 01:08
schestowitzNot like US business, but stillSep 05 01:08
Chips_B_Malroymost likely yes, RoySep 05 01:08
schestowitzBush was at the public/forefrontSep 05 01:08
Chips_B_MalroyHis brother in Fl will most likely never get inSep 05 01:08
schestowitzThe Buish family made connections with other powerful familiesSep 05 01:08
schestowitzOnes with lots more impact and wealthSep 05 01:08
ThistleWebdoes Bush have a relative called Shaved?Sep 05 01:09
schestowitzSome Saudi families, among othersSep 05 01:09
Chips_B_MalroyBut, he might actually be better than S PaulinSep 05 01:09
schestowitzThistleWeb: his wife, but she didn't like itSep 05 01:09
schestowitzThe name that isSep 05 01:09
ThistleWeblolSep 05 01:09
schestowitzShe said it was an itchy nameSep 05 01:10
Chips_B_MalroyBama will be relected if he can do sometime for the uninsuredSep 05 01:10
ThistleWebit grows on yaSep 05 01:10
schestowitzBama?Sep 05 01:10
schestowitzHeheSep 05 01:10
schestowitzOBAMAASep 05 01:10
Chips_B_Malroylot of folks use that nick here, its a letter less to typeSep 05 01:10
Chips_B_Malroyor twoSep 05 01:11
schestowitzOrders at Behet of American Microsoft Auspices Association Sep 05 01:11
schestowitz*BehestSep 05 01:11
Chips_B_Malroyno disrespect meantSep 05 01:11
schestowitzBAMASep 05 01:12
schestowitzSounds like DADASep 05 01:12
MinceRreminds me of obamaSep 05 01:12
MinceRand OBABOSep 05 01:12
schestowitzdada, mama, bamaSep 05 01:12
MinceRand UNITINUSep 05 01:12
schestowitzMcBush-McPalinSep 05 01:13
Chips_B_Malroywell, Bush was just called WSep 05 01:13
MinceR(nsfw) http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/UnitinuSep 05 01:13
schestowitzBush7?Sep 05 01:14
Chips_B_MalroyW7Sep 05 01:14
Chips_B_MalroySo what exactly was Gates really doing at "Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic   (Spitsbergen)Sep 05 01:16
schestowitzhttp://jobs.itnews.com.au/it-services-jobs/other/784306Sep 05 01:16
schestowitzNovell/WindowsSep 05 01:16
Chips_B_MalroyI do not believe in the seed project for one minuteSep 05 01:17
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: they say women in CHian crave for his spermSep 05 01:17
schestowitzHonestSep 05 01:17
schestowitzThat's how deluded they areSep 05 01:17
schestowitzImagine many ruthless people out there looking to start a "Jihad"Sep 05 01:17
Chips_B_Malroythey think he is a geniusSep 05 01:17
schestowitzHe paid for this perceptionSep 05 01:18
schestowitzIt ain't freeSep 05 01:18
Chips_B_Malroythe press says he is a genius, therefore he isSep 05 01:18
schestowitzY'know, some people hire PR agents for such jobsSep 05 01:18
schestowitzLike Chris Brown after he slapped RihannaSep 05 01:18
schestowitzThey hire PR agents with objectives of perception managementSep 05 01:18
Chips_B_Malroyno! say its not true. lolSep 05 01:18
schestowitzBillG takes shoirtcutsSep 05 01:18
schestowitzHe owns a lot of pressSep 05 01:19
schestowitzhttp://www.cbronline.com/news/red_hat_releases_new_version_of_systems_management_tool_090902 Red Hat releases new version of systems management toolSep 05 01:20
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529  there is something funky about this, Bill is sometimes a flake, but the others that invest in this seed bank are notSep 05 01:21
Chips_B_Malroyits not a seed bank is my idea.  They put it where nobody will bother them.  It looked like they went to the expense of mining it, instead of a cheap building.Sep 05 01:23
Chips_B_MalroyI know they are involved in experiments in food plants, altering them.  Could this be the seeds they are producingSep 05 01:24
Chips_B_MalroyBill has his hands on some many thingsSep 05 01:26
Chips_B_Malroy*soSep 05 01:26
schestowitzIt's not himSep 05 01:26
schestowitzPeople wrongly attribute many things to individual peopleSep 05 01:26
schestowitzThinking that Obama 'runs' the countrySep 05 01:27
schestowitzOr that Ballmer 'runs' MicrosoftSep 05 01:27
schestowitzOr Oracle is 'run' by EllisonSep 05 01:27
schestowitzThey have heirs and assistantsSep 05 01:27
schestowitzTheir role is mostly representitiveSep 05 01:27
schestowitzLinus hardly codesSep 05 01:27
schestowitzHe admits doing mostly communicationSep 05 01:27
twitterIck! what bad taste ->  balzac: I'd sooner drink a beer with Ballmer than you, Mincer.Sep 05 01:27
schestowitzGates just meets other rich people to lobbySep 05 01:27
Chips_B_Malroyto some extent, its true, more so with the corporations, at least in Bill's caseSep 05 01:27
schestowitzEllison has two managers below him competing for his chaoirsSep 05 01:28
schestowitzI don't know/can recall their namesSep 05 01:28
schestowitzBut they report to him and do most of the workSep 05 01:28
schestowitzSo he does some work in board rooms and press (interviews, presentation preparation, etc)Sep 05 01:28
schestowitzGates has his dad pulling strings, stillSep 05 01:29
schestowitzThe Gates FOundary is run by Gates' older colleagues and familySep 05 01:29
Chips_B_MalroyGates has the advantage over most as largest shareholder, plus his friends and co-workers probably hold a lot of MS stock as well.Sep 05 01:29
schestowitzIt's not about shareSep 05 01:30
schestowitzOr moneySep 05 01:30
schestowitzIt's abut staying in powerSep 05 01:30
schestowitzSecuring their status quoSep 05 01:30
schestowitzAnd wanting to be remembered wellSep 05 01:30
schestowitzTo them, the currency is another thingSep 05 01:30
schestowitzIt's a status thingSep 05 01:30
schestowitzLike who gets the keynote at which meetingSep 05 01:30
twitterM$ was very much run by Bill Gates.  He looked at all sorts of details and made the decisions -> schestowitz: Or that Ballmer 'runs' MicrosoftSep 05 01:30
schestowitzDavos meetings, Bilderberg, whatever....Sep 05 01:30
schestowitzThe likes of Nick N from MIT is among this clubSep 05 01:31
Chips_B_MalroyRoy says:  :FOundary is run by Gates' older colleagues and family"  this is how you paid your family a wage from a non=profit and escape inhertance taxes.   A vehicle that the middle class cannot doSep 05 01:31
schestowitzThe world's 'parents', playing aristocratsSep 05 01:31
twitterI have read two accounts of this.  One from Joel on Software and another from the guy who started M$'s doomed search efforts.Sep 05 01:31
twitterThey were both horribly overworked and humiliated by his Gatesness.Sep 05 01:31
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: the loopholes are manySep 05 01:31
schestowitzPet charities are popularSep 05 01:32
schestowitzALso for political influenceSep 05 01:32
cubezzzGates would be a horrible bossSep 05 01:32
schestowitzFunnelling of money, tax, etc.Sep 05 01:32
schestowitzWarren B joined the Gates cartel rather than create his ownSep 05 01:32
twitterYes, very insulting, particular and rude.Sep 05 01:32
schestowitzAnd people like Richard Berman (scam lobbyist) mastered the art of pseudo-charitiesSep 05 01:32
schestowitzThose that advance agenda and are seen as humanitarianSep 05 01:32
twitterBoth of the victims talked about something called, "the killer question" which Gates would pull from the air.Sep 05 01:33
schestowitzI have refs Sep 05 01:33
schestowitzWait..Sep 05 01:33
MinceRoh noes, someone used the word "kill"!Sep 05 01:33
MinceR;)Sep 05 01:33
schestowitzhere: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/11/novell-vanity-2/Sep 05 01:33
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schestowitzWhat Microsoft folks say about Bill and Steve ^Sep 05 01:34
schestowitzMinceR: kill -9Sep 05 01:34
twitterWe've all read the emails where Gates himself stepped up and said things like - no compatiblity for other programs - Make ACPI Windows only.Sep 05 01:34
_Hicham_Steve an Bill are good peopleSep 05 01:34
twitterM$ uses violent language all the time.Sep 05 01:34
MinceRnot only the language is violentSep 05 01:35
twitter"Killer program" "Knife the baby" "cut off their oxygen"Sep 05 01:35
schestowitzcat ps aux | sudo killall -9 -Sep 05 01:35
schestowitzNot sure about syntaxSep 05 01:35
MinceRhaltSep 05 01:35
twitterWe've also seen what they think of women, "one night stands"Sep 05 01:35
schestowitzGoodnight computerSep 05 01:35
cubezzzwho said "knife the baby"?Sep 05 01:35
twitterpawns.Sep 05 01:35
schestowitzMaritz IICSep 05 01:36
schestowitzNo, KempinSep 05 01:36
_Hicham_schestowitz : we never talk of violence in hereSep 05 01:36
schestowitzMaritz said cut the air supplySep 05 01:36
MinceRlolSep 05 01:36
twitter"knife the baby" came from an email published in the Netscape anti-trust trial.Sep 05 01:36
schestowitzThey have a nice way to themSep 05 01:36
MinceR_Hicham_: we never do?Sep 05 01:36
schestowitzWearing suits and planning commerical murdersSep 05 01:36
schestowitzLike dodgy armuies where general sit in offices with A/C choosing their illegal weapons to useSep 05 01:37
Chips_B_MalroyGates on religion:  http://www.sikhspectrum.com/102002/ron.htm   I am not really interested in Bill's religion or lack of it, just his moral thinking.Sep 05 01:37
twitterhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=microsoft+"knife+the+baby"&aq=f&oq=&aqi=Sep 05 01:37
schestowitzAtom bomb for Hiroshima, Napalm for Vietnam, cluster bombs for Palestinians, etcSep 05 01:37
schestowitzComing from the topSep 05 01:37
schestowitzAlways blame going to 'someone'Sep 05 01:37
schestowitzSame in the commercial worklSep 05 01:38
_Hicham_DaemonFC is the most violent person in hereSep 05 01:38
schestowitzLike when Jobs got caught with the backdating scandalSep 05 01:38
schestowitzThey'll find something to throw in to save the kingSep 05 01:38
MinceR(psst, never let _Hicham_ hear you've killed processes!)Sep 05 01:38
Chips_B_Malroysometimes its correct to blame those at the top, other times its notSep 05 01:38
schestowitzdeamon need a shrinkSep 05 01:38
schestowitzInstead he got a parole officerSep 05 01:38
MinceRno, he needs a permbanSep 05 01:38
cubezzz"Referring to Apple's QuickTime software, Avadis Trevanian says Microsoft told Apple to "knife the baby" if it wanted to survive in the multimedia software market."Sep 05 01:38
cubezzzmaybe it was used more than onceSep 05 01:39
schestowitzcubezzz: it's no single incidentSep 05 01:39
schestowitzThese are memesSep 05 01:39
schestowitzLike "death spiral"Sep 05 01:39
_Hicham_DaemonFC needs a FOSS shrinkSep 05 01:39
schestowitzThey say it many timesSep 05 01:39
schestowitzLike "Jihad"Sep 05 01:39
twitterright, they think violent thingsSep 05 01:39
schestowitzOr "evangelisation"Sep 05 01:39
cubezzzright, it's worst than I even thoughtSep 05 01:39
twitterthey seek to destroy.Sep 05 01:39
Chips_B_MalroySometimes Daemon has some good to offer, other time he just goes offSep 05 01:39
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+knife+the+baby&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=enSep 05 01:40
twitterhttp://www.businessweek.com/microsoft/updates/up81105b.htmSep 05 01:40
twitterhttp://www.roughlydrafted.com/insideitunes3.htmlSep 05 01:40
schestowitzMany separate incidentsSep 05 01:40
_Hicham_Jihad is another thingSep 05 01:40
_Hicham_and has many significationsSep 05 01:41
twitterThe quicktime thing goes back to their intentions to dominate mediaSep 05 01:41
schestowitz"knife the baby"... "Yes We're Talking About Knifing the Baby” etc.Sep 05 01:41
schestowitzWould you give a baby to Brad Silverberg? *shudder*Sep 05 01:41
twitterThey want other companies to destroy their programs so that M$ can dominate.Sep 05 01:41
Chips_B_Malroyits not about destroying.  Look, I don't like how MS has done things.  A lot of what Bush did was wrong.  But I don't hate these people, or want anyone to harm them.Sep 05 01:41
schestowitzImagine him coming home at Bellevue telling his wife that he "knifed some 'babies' today"Sep 05 01:42
twitterM$ is all about destroying competition rather than improving their own stuff.Sep 05 01:42
twitterThey can't compete fairly.Sep 05 01:42
twitterCould be.Sep 05 01:42
schestowitzThey can't improve their products, twitter Sep 05 01:43
schestowitzThey buy softareSep 05 01:43
schestowitzThey don't develop muchSep 05 01:43
twitterThe former manager of Fanny Mae got a big spread in the Wall Street Journal's home front today.Sep 05 01:43
schestowitzAnd the teams that they buy just fleeSep 05 01:43
Chips_B_MalroyIts easier to put a hole in someone esle's work than to improve their ownSep 05 01:43
schestowitzLike Banshee and FASASep 05 01:43
twitterBig multimillion dollar house, complete with Playboy trophy wife and expensive horses for her to ride.Sep 05 01:43
schestowitzThen they have some hb-1s trying to work out the code MS boughtSep 05 01:43
schestowitzWhat comes out/Sep 05 01:43
schestowitzVistaSep 05 01:43
schestowitzMade in Bangalore BTWSep 05 01:43
twitterThe trophy wife might get along well with some kind of hyper competitive jerk who talks about knifing babies.Sep 05 01:44
twitterVista was made in hell.Sep 05 01:44
schestowitzStop insulting trophiesSep 05 01:45
twitterThe trophy wife is usually happy to see the first wife put to pasture.Sep 05 01:45
Chips_B_MalroySo why can't MS fix Windows malware problems?Sep 05 01:45
cubezzzhyper competitive seems very aptSep 05 01:45
schestowitzTrophies don't have plastic compounds inserted onto themSep 05 01:45
twitterpuerileSep 05 01:45
schestowitzThey are real mtalSep 05 01:45
twitterpeople at M$ are puerile and dangerousSep 05 01:46
Chips_B_Malroylegacy?  I really don't believe that stops them that muchSep 05 01:46
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twitterM$ does not have the manpower to fix Windows.Sep 05 01:46
twitterno one company canSep 05 01:46
schestowitzTheyc anSep 05 01:46
schestowitzFix perceptionSep 05 01:46
schestowitzSend shillsSep 05 01:46
schestowitzDima-a-dozenSep 05 01:46
schestowitzGive em a free copy of Vista 7 (which costs none to make anyway) and see them organising eventsSep 05 01:46
twitterperception management cost them about a billion dollars per monthSep 05 01:47
schestowitzLike the latest house party scamSep 05 01:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Sorry, for not responding for so long. Indeed find them useful. The [News] posts are what "hooked" me to COLA.Sep 05 01:47
twitterbut even that could not fix windows.Sep 05 01:47
schestowitz<twitter> perception management cost them about a billion dollars per monthSep 05 01:47
schestowitzWha?Sep 05 01:47
twitterThat's about the size or their marketing budget.Sep 05 01:47
Chips_B_Malroy<twitter> M$ does not have the manpower to fix Windows."    What did they claim, 6000 workers on Vista for 7 years was itSep 05 01:47
schestowitzOne person said they spend $bn/annum on marketingSep 05 01:47
schestowitzMicrosoft claims just over a buillionSep 05 01:47
schestowitzApple is about half a billiob/annumSep 05 01:47
twitterit's hard to dig it out of their reports but that's about the order of their spending.Sep 05 01:47
schestowitzLinux just hundreds/tens of milions (mostly on servers)Sep 05 01:48
twitterthey combine "marketing" and "research"Sep 05 01:48
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: utter nonsenseSep 05 01:48
Chips_B_Malroysounds like enough manpower to me, until you add in all the DRM stuff, that changed all the video and audio subsystems in VistaSep 05 01:48
schestowitzThey said $6bn in spendings AFAIKSep 05 01:48
schestowitzWindows programmers are about 200Sep 05 01:48
schestowitzCOre teamSep 05 01:48
schestowitzOther are mainteainersSep 05 01:48
twittergiven the productivity of their research program, I'd say most of the money goes to shills, adverts and other infrastructure to sell windowsSep 05 01:49
schestowitzOffice team is much larger Sep 05 01:49
schestowitzAbout 1000 peopleSep 05 01:49
schestowitzProbably also non-programmerSep 05 01:49
schestowitzProbably also non-programmersSep 05 01:49
schestowitzNot sure about marketersSep 05 01:49
schestowitzWIndows is a hobby project that relies on inertia and liesSep 05 01:49
schestowitzAnd slogging of Microsoft's rivalsSep 05 01:49
MinceR025052 < Chips_B_Malroy> its not about destroying.  Look, I don't like how MS has done things.  A lot of what Bush did was wrong.  But I don't hate these people, or wantSep 05 01:49
twitterIt did take them six years.Sep 05 01:49
MinceR                         anyone to harm them.Sep 05 01:49
MinceRbut what do you want to happen to them, then?Sep 05 01:49
Chips_B_Malroy@schestowitz> They said $6bn in spendings AFAIK"   Yes, I believe they lied about that too, in order to dodge taxesSep 05 01:49
schestowitzHow else would it outsell OS X and GNU?Sep 05 01:49
schestowitzThen MS relies on 3rd partiesSep 05 01:49
schestowitzI.e. useful idiotsSep 05 01:49
twitterI should bring gnu/linux to the Tacoma house party.Sep 05 01:50
schestowitzVista 7 shows theyt ar eundrstaffedSep 05 01:50
schestowitzThey didn't develop what they said they wouldSep 05 01:50
schestowitzThey redid some GUI stuffSep 05 01:50
schestowitzBut it's still VistaSep 05 01:50
twitterM$ routinely crashes other people's party, I might like some free beer.Sep 05 01:51
schestowitzMost stuff is just rushing to fix the many flaws in win2000, xp, and VistaSep 05 01:51
schestowitzThey need to maintain this messSep 05 01:51
schestowitzAlso WinMob [sic]Sep 05 01:51
schestowitzAll those ugly hacks+testingSep 05 01:51
schestowitzLinux doesn't have this problemSep 05 01:51
schestowitzFree upgradesSep 05 01:51
schestowitzOne kernel onlySep 05 01:51
schestowitzMainline+branchesSep 05 01:51
twitterYou can see just how unchanging their code is by looking at what gets p0wned by each new malware.  It's almost always every version listed.Sep 05 01:52
Chips_B_Malroyit will all be fixed in (Windows 8) if you just have the patence (and money) to waitSep 05 01:52
schestowitztwitter: they organise the crushingSep 05 01:52
schestowitzSee for details the OGara memosSep 05 01:52
MinceRa new skin won't fix anythingSep 05 01:52
schestowitzThey derailed OSDL announcementSep 05 01:52
twittersure, but we might organize some crashing!Sep 05 01:52
schestowitzPS3 launch partiesSep 05 01:52
schestowitzAlso anti-vmware last yearSep 05 01:52
twitterFree M$ beer for everyone!Sep 05 01:52
schestowitzTHat's SusieSep 05 01:53
schestowitz*AussieSep 05 01:53
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MinceRand free paper bags to accompany the m$ beer?Sep 05 01:53
schestowitz2007/6Sep 05 01:53
schestowitzPS3 launch... Microsoft gives beerSep 05 01:53
twitterWhy don't the FSF people give them a taste of their own medicine and share the software at the same time?Sep 05 01:53
schestowitzWorse in Paris/London.. ship incident... crying kidsSep 05 01:53
schestowitzSMS spam from Microsoft to people's phones...Sep 05 01:53
Chips_B_Malroywe should all organize Windows Seven parties, and hand out GNU/Linux disksSep 05 01:54
schestowitzI'll always rememberSep 05 01:54
twitterI did not read about the crying kids.Sep 05 01:54
twitterNo, just bring the disks and your TShirts to the M$ parties.  Ha ha.Sep 05 01:54
twitterThis is what M$ does.  They let other people go to a lot of effort and expense then crash it.Sep 05 01:55
Chips_B_MalroyI like your idea TwitterSep 05 01:55
twitterShare the love.Sep 05 01:55
Chips_B_Malroythey has to be a way to exploit these partiesSep 05 01:56
schestowitzAmazon withdraws Man U chants CD < http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/front_page/newsid_10000000/newsid_10001400/10001422.stm >Sep 05 01:57
Chips_B_Malroynot so much to crash them, but maybe to get a lug to sign up for ms money?  No, thats crazySep 05 01:57
twitterjust go to the partySep 05 01:59
schestowitzBring demo laptopsSep 05 01:59
schestowitzwith kde4 and kwinSep 05 01:59
tessierhmm...Sep 05 01:59
schestowitztessier: what's up?Sep 05 01:59
twitteryes, bring your laptop and CDsSep 05 01:59
twittershare!Sep 05 01:59
schestowitztessier: I notice the site doesn't serve me pagesSep 05 01:59
tessierYou doing anything with bn? Website seems to not be responding...Sep 05 01:59
cubezzznetscape navigator is completely dead now?Sep 05 01:59
tessieryeah. I'll take a look...Sep 05 01:59
twitterthe problem is finding out where the things are.Sep 05 01:59
Chips_B_MalroyMS will give you a free Seven dvd disk to host the party, must cost them about ten cents to press one, and another 35 cents to package it.Sep 05 02:00
schestowitzhttp://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4149Sep 05 02:00
schestowitz"People, this cannot go unanswered. We need Linux house parties in late October as well. I’ll leave it up to all you grass roots, hard coding, great partying people to organize yourselves, but what better time to introduce your friends and relatives to Linux on the desktop? Make and give away CDs of the distros, do some installations for people that want them, and demonstrate FireFox and common applications. Have them walk away wSep 05 02:00
schestowitzith memories of a great party and cool people, plus a shiny and free new operating system."Sep 05 02:00
schestowitzThat's IBM's Linux VPSep 05 02:00
schestowitzhe links to Microsoft NickSep 05 02:00
twitterThere needs to be a central clearing house of party locations so that free software advocates know where to go get a free beer.Sep 05 02:00
schestowitz"I just read Nicholas Kolakowski’s piece “Microsoft Wants You to Party Like It’s XP” over in eWeek. He says, in part:.."Sep 05 02:00
schestowitzBut Linux can't offer bribesSep 05 02:01
schestowitzMicrosoft doesSep 05 02:01
tessier[Tue Sep 01 10:31:41 2009] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients settingSep 05 02:01
twitterXP did not have a good launch, just ask Bill Gates.Sep 05 02:01
twitterI can't tell if this is a joke or not.  http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2009/09/omg_that_windows_7_launch_part.phpSep 05 02:01
schestowitz"3 users"Sep 05 02:02
twitterLOL, always scarcity with these jokers.  It shows how thin their lines really are ->  Host spaces are very limited so apply now.Sep 05 02:02
schestowitz"Tasks: 111 total,   2 running, 109 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie"Sep 05 02:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Tobacco Companies Sue for the Right to Tell the "Truth"" http://ping.fm/gnCAcSep 05 02:04
schestowitztessier seems to have fixed itSep 05 02:04
schestowitzBravo, tessierSep 05 02:04
cubezzzSeattle Weekly? It might not be joking :)Sep 05 02:04
Chips_B_MalroyI think Nicholas Kolakowski is going have an uphill battle getting readersSep 05 02:04
tessierI just upped the limit.Sep 05 02:05
schestowitzThey even posted a politically-correct photoSep 05 02:05
schestowitzIf they make the same party parade in Poland they might need to GIMP a couple of headsSep 05 02:05
schestowitztessier: thanks!Sep 05 02:05
twitterchopSep 05 02:06
Chips_B_MalroyIf my posts are now being censured at MS Watch, that will be the first place I was ever bannedSep 05 02:07
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/04/bitly-shortens-url-shortenersSep 05 02:08
Chips_B_Malroynot that I wasn't very hard on Joe Wilcox at timesSep 05 02:08
schestowitztessier: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/04/vietnam-clamps-down-on-bloggers-and-online-journalistsSep 05 02:09
schestowitzhttp://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Technology/Stephen-Fry-Urges-Apology-To-Castrated-Code-Breaker-Alan-Turing/Article/200909115374408?lpos=Technology_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15374408_Stephen_Fry_Urges_Apology_To_Castrated_Code_Breaker_Alan_TuringSep 05 02:11
schestowitzSky has terrible URLsSep 05 02:11
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*neighborlee_ is now known as neighborleeSep 05 02:17
schestowitztessier: there is still a problem with WordPressSep 05 02:20
schestowitzSeems like it's not reaching the databaseSep 05 02:20
tessierindeedSep 05 02:21
schestowitzMediawiki also can't reacht he dbSep 05 02:22
schestowitzSo at least I hope this indicates where the problem lies :-)Sep 05 02:22
tessierSwapping like mad and about to run out of memory. I need to dial the connections back down I think.Sep 05 02:22
tessierSomeone might be DoS'ing again as it normally does not need nearly this many connections. I'll check it out.Sep 05 02:23
tessierOr maybe the site is just getting more popular.Sep 05 02:23
schestowitzThere was no provocationSep 05 02:24
tessierHopefully the latter then.Sep 05 02:24
schestowitzSo an attack would be not so predictableSep 05 02:24
schestowitzMaybe it hit some main page somwhereSep 05 02:24
schestowitzI'll tail the logSep 05 02:25
schestowitz96.251.11.102 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:29 -0700] "GET /category/apple/ HTTP/1.1" 200 165011 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/spider.html;) Gecko/2008032620"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz67.195.115.162 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:36 -0700] "GET /nicetitles/nicetitle.css HTTP/1.0" 304 - "http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/26/boots-faster-than-vista-7/" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp/3.0; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz201.217.21.14 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:35 -0700] "GET /wp-content/uploads/2008/02/suse-logo-blue.png HTTP/1.1" 200 54270 "http://theblackangel.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/encantado-con-opensuse-11/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; es-ES; rv:1.9.1.2) Gecko/20090729 Firefox/3.5.2 GTB5"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz65.87.151.125 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:37 -0700] "GET /category/identity-management/ HTTP/1.1" 200 113791 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/spider.html;) Gecko/2008032620"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz72.30.142.168 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:37 -0700] "GET /2009/07/24/microsoft-gpl-compliance/ HTTP/1.0" 200 117486 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp/3.0; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz71.229.48.9 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:40 -0700] "GET /2009/08/31/antitrust-barriers-msft-online/ HTTP/1.1" 200 125340 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/spider.html;) Gecko/2008032620"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz72.30.142.168 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:40 -0700] "GET /2009/06/07/ HTTP/1.0" 200 130045 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp/3.0; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz99.232.42.44 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:45 -0700] "GET /wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom HTTP/1.1" 304 - "-" "Apple-PubSub/65.11"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz213.251.181.89 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:44 -0700] "GET /category/sun/ HTTP/1.0" 200 162666 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Twiceler-0.9 http://www.cuil.com/twiceler/robot.html)"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitz71.37.51.51 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:47 -0700] "GET /category/vista-7/ HTTP/1.1" 200 156207 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/spider.html;) Gecko/2008032620"Sep 05 02:26
schestowitzHeavy crawlingSep 05 02:26
tessierer...Sep 05 02:26
schestowitzWhat is 80logs.com...Sep 05 02:26
tessierYeah.Sep 05 02:26
schestowitzAnd cuil is there tooSep 05 02:27
schestowitzThe 'Google killa'Sep 05 02:27
tessierAh...I know 80legs.comSep 05 02:27
tessierThey are a rental spiderSep 05 02:27
tessierYou pay them and they will spider the web. You can upload your own code for processing the results etc.Sep 05 02:27
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tessierA little log analysis shows nothing unusual. Your IP has the most hits.Sep 05 02:30
schestowitzSO a bit like cloud/app enginesSep 05 02:30
tessierExactlySep 05 02:30
tessierA cloudspider sort of thingSep 05 02:30
schestowitzSorry for the trouble..Sep 05 02:30
tessierNo trouble at allSep 05 02:30
schestowitzIt's funny how they try to slow growthSep 05 02:30
schestowitzSmear campaigns nowSep 05 02:31
schestowitzNew type:Sep 05 02:31
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/false-associations/Sep 05 02:31
schestowitzpj is an ibm botSep 05 02:31
_Hicham_Mandriva 2010 beta is outSep 05 02:33
_Hicham_is seems to be an interesting releaseSep 05 02:33
twitter1pj is a twitter sock puppet.Sep 05 02:35
twitter1I'm a twitter sock puppet.Sep 05 02:35
_Hicham_twitter1 : still drunk ?Sep 05 02:35
twitter1All in the family fraud at the SEC http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=amhY1JeRdF.gSep 05 02:36
twitter1in 2005 another SEC watchdog was given an anonymous tip about Madoff.  They did not act and just happened to have $2 million in family money invested with Madoff.Sep 05 02:37
twitter1The question then is, did the watchdog take their money out?Sep 05 02:37
schestowitzI'm PJ... and so is my wife... [monty python]Sep 05 02:38
twitter1If they did, it's insider trading.   If they had acted on the tip all of the money would have been lost.  Tough call.Sep 05 02:38
twitter1We are all PBJ.Sep 05 02:38
twitter1http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/puttingo.htmSep 05 02:42
schestowitzgnSep 05 02:53
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twitter1memory hole is also a spySep 05 03:08
twitter1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGHxR7pH_cSep 05 03:08
twitter1Amazon offers to "replace" deleted copies of 1984.Sep 05 03:08
twitter1Redacted.Sep 05 03:08
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rick_jamesboycott GNU, FSF, and GPL jihadistsSep 05 03:12
twitter1boycott freedom?  fun.Sep 05 03:13
twitter1pay no attention to the muckrakers http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-arctic5-2009sep05,0,3388515.storySep 05 03:13
twitter1artic sediment study shows that ice melt increase coincides with start of industrial age.Sep 05 03:14
twitter1how much more evidence do you need to prove global warming is man made?Sep 05 03:14
twitter1M$ trying to kill XP again.  http://www.pcworld.com/article/171467/windows_xp_finally_on_its_way_out.htmlSep 05 03:16
twitter1Preston Gralla link warning!Sep 05 03:16
twitter1Vista use up by 0.9%, says M$ mouthpiece.  But then again, he thinks Vista has 19% of the market.  Fat chance it's over 10%.Sep 05 03:18
rick_jamesGPL is not freedomSep 05 03:19
twitter1ha ha ->  I think that Windows 7 will go a long way towards solving the problem for Microsoft. It's gotten a far batter [sic] reception than Windows Vista did"Sep 05 03:19
rick_jamesBSD is freedomSep 05 03:19
rick_jamesGPL jihadists hate freedomSep 05 03:19
twitter1you seem to like slavery.Sep 05 03:19
rick_jamesStallman minions love to be enslavedSep 05 03:19
twitter1which of the four software freedoms do you associate with slavery?Sep 05 03:20
rick_jamesin any case, only someone semi-retarded actually thinks that source code is freedomSep 05 03:20
rick_jamesbut RMS counts on the weak-minded to be his followersSep 05 03:20
twitter1weakness is not being able to answer questions, rick.Sep 05 03:20
rick_jamestwitter: what is freerer, BSD or GPL or Public Domain?Sep 05 03:21
twitter1which of the four software freedoms do you associate with slavery?Sep 05 03:21
rick_jamestwitter: what is freerer, BSD or GPL or Public Domain?Sep 05 03:22
rick_jamesanswer my question, then i'll answer yoursSep 05 03:22
twitter1I asked first and am not very interested in people who ignore me.Sep 05 03:22
rick_jamesi'm not very interested in people that ignore me eitherSep 05 03:23
rick_jamesbut i assume you're not ready or informed enough to answer to my questionSep 05 03:23
twitter1***twitter ignores rick_jamesSep 05 03:23
rick_jamestwitter1 is part of the weak-minded, easily-indoctrinated by RMSSep 05 03:23
twitter1I really don't have time for abuse like that.Sep 05 03:23
rick_jamesi thought you ignored meSep 05 03:24
rick_james?Sep 05 03:24
rick_jamesyou're a liarSep 05 03:24
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twitter131 seconds to clean out the Apple store.  http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171472/thieves_clear_new_jersey_apple_store_in_seconds.htmlSep 05 03:28
twitter1That's a lot of trouble for something that might get them $30,000 or so.Sep 05 03:28
rick_jamesthat roy guy that does boycottnovell is a major league asshole, but mono is a lost causeSep 05 03:31
Chips_B_Malroyrick james> are you from Linsux?Sep 05 03:37
Chips_B_Malroywho has the comm?Sep 05 03:37
rick_jamesi run many linux machines everydaySep 05 03:37
rick_jamesi just don't do linux on the desktopSep 05 03:37
rick_jamesand i hate RMSSep 05 03:38
Chips_B_Malroya hater u rSep 05 03:38
rick_jamesi usually have 4 or 5 puttycm tabs open to my debian serversSep 05 03:38
rick_jamesyes, i hate RMS...the charlatanSep 05 03:38
Chips_B_Malroyeven I do hate Bill GatesSep 05 03:38
rick_jameswe're evenSep 05 03:38
rick_jamesi love stock debian fresh installSep 05 03:39
Chips_B_Malroydo not that isSep 05 03:39
rick_james117 meg with apache, mysql....so clean and leanSep 05 03:39
rick_jamesor at least that's what top tells meSep 05 03:39
Chips_B_MalroyI thought you were a BSD guy a few minutes ago?  I am confusedSep 05 03:39
rick_jamesyeah, you people are usually confused ;)Sep 05 03:40
Chips_B_Malroyand I confuse more easily than most, perhaps you could explain the BSD or Debian thingSep 05 03:40
rick_jamesno, i won't explain it to youSep 05 03:41
rick_jamesit's a license issue, not a Debian xxxBSD issueSep 05 03:41
Chips_B_MalroylolSep 05 03:41
Chips_B_Malroyor maybe an issue of trust?Sep 05 03:42
rick_jamesRMS is evilSep 05 03:43
rick_jameswe all know thatSep 05 03:43
Chips_B_Malroyno, only you are misguidedSep 05 03:43
rick_jameshe doesn't believe a word he says when he spouts out "freedom" in every other word of a setenceSep 05 03:43
Chips_B_Malroyor worseSep 05 03:43
rick_jameshopefully RMS will die soonSep 05 03:43
Chips_B_Malroyyou any very close relation to the Lumpy guy?Sep 05 03:43
rick_jamesit's unethical for him to lie to so many peopleSep 05 03:43
_Hicham_explain how RMS is evilSep 05 03:44
_Hicham_then all those people are dumb?Sep 05 03:44
Chips_B_Malroyshill alertSep 05 03:44
_Hicham_are u are the only smart boy in the worldSep 05 03:44
_Hicham_hahaSep 05 03:44
rick_james_Hicham_: no, but you RMS minions are some of the stupidestSep 05 03:44
_Hicham_shill signsSep 05 03:44
_Hicham_thanks for telling us thatSep 05 03:45
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_Hicham_could u enlighten us plz ?Sep 05 03:45
_Hicham_we may be stupid and need someone to make things clear to usSep 05 03:45
rick_james_Hicham_: nahh...why don't you minions blather on about GNU manifestos and freedom and such, so i can have a good chuckleSep 05 03:45
_Hicham_you are completely insaneSep 05 03:46
Chips_B_Malroystick around and we willSep 05 03:46
_Hicham_I thought I was talking to normal personSep 05 03:46
rick_james_Hicham_: yes, that would be the rest of the world (sans the K that are weak-minded enough to believe RMS's bullshit)Sep 05 03:46
Chips_B_Malroy@Hicham> who has control of the boot?Sep 05 03:47
rick_jamesmuwhahahaSep 05 03:47
rick_jamesahh..gonna be that waySep 05 03:47
_Hicham_Chips_B_Malroy :  schestowitzSep 05 03:47
rick_jameslet's say something for the logsSep 05 03:47
rick_jamesRMS is a charlatan asshole that lies to everybodySep 05 03:48
_Hicham_rick_james : saySep 05 03:48
_Hicham_and feel at easeSep 05 03:48
rick_jameshe's a leftist asshole who hopefully will die soonSep 05 03:48
_Hicham_that is the freedom that he is talking aboutSep 05 03:48
rick_jamesall of you assholes are leftists tooSep 05 03:48
Chips_B_Malroybad language, is against the rulesSep 05 03:48
_Hicham_you can say anythingSep 05 03:48
rick_jamesfuck you Chips_B_MalroySep 05 03:48
rick_jamesRMS can fuck off too and hopefully die soonSep 05 03:48
_Hicham_I think that u are drunkSep 05 03:48
rick_jamesbahh, i've hated RMS since the late 80sSep 05 03:49
Chips_B_Malroysorry, u not my type, I like femalesSep 05 03:49
rick_jamesChips_B_Malroy: no your faggot-ass would suck-off dear leader RMSSep 05 03:49
rick_jamesyou're a weak-minded foolSep 05 03:49
rick_jamesjust like all of the gpl-jihadistsSep 05 03:49
rick_jamesLinus, and everybody else hates you peopleSep 05 03:50
rick_jamesRMS is hated, and so are all of youSep 05 03:50
Chips_B_Malroyso what exactly is your problem with RMS, LeftySep 05 03:50
Chips_B_Malroyan inferiority complex?Sep 05 03:50
_Hicham_how much do MS give you ?Sep 05 03:51
Chips_B_MalroyI beat he is on the MacSep 05 03:51
_Hicham_he is on drugsSep 05 03:51
rick_jamesahh, yes, MS "pays me"Sep 05 03:51
Chips_B_Malroy*betSep 05 03:51
rick_jamesactually i'm on XP and......debianSep 05 03:52
rick_jamesoh my god...i'm on TWO, count 'em TWO os'sSep 05 03:52
Chips_B_Malroybut at the same time, and first it was BSDSep 05 03:52
rick_jamesChips_B_Malroy: learn to read McFlySep 05 03:52
_Hicham_he is completely patheticSep 05 03:52
rick_jamesusually i'm on many, many operating systemsSep 05 03:52
Chips_B_MalroyI think Hicham is right, u on something powerfulSep 05 03:52
rick_jamesbut it's a "desktop" thing for you jihadistsSep 05 03:52
Chips_B_Malroybut its not an OSSep 05 03:53
rick_james?Sep 05 03:53
Chips_B_Malroyyou feel better tomorrow after a good night sleepSep 05 03:53
rick_jamesi feel good now, you'll still be a drone tomorrowSep 05 03:53
Chips_B_Malroythen maybe you can debateSep 05 03:54
_Hicham_I bet he just had an emotional shockSep 05 03:54
rick_jameslaterSep 05 03:54
rick_jamesneed to go outSep 05 03:54
_Hicham_type break up with his GFSep 05 03:54
Chips_B_Malroynaw, he needs another beerSep 05 03:55
_Hicham_poor boySep 05 03:55
_Hicham_must have had a hard daySep 05 03:55
Chips_B_Malroyand a whiz to get rid of the 12 packSep 05 03:55
tessierrick_james: You're Rick James, bitch!Sep 05 03:56
_Hicham_tessier : who is that ?Sep 05 03:56
Chips_B_Malroyu know this one tessier?Sep 05 03:56
_Hicham_tessier : do u know him ?Sep 05 03:56
tessierNo, I don't know him. But the "I'm Rick James, bitch!" is a funny skit from Chappelle ShowSep 05 03:57
rick_jamesdamn bitchSep 05 03:57
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rick_jamestessier is one of the "darkness brothers"Sep 05 03:57
tessierrick_james: Cocaine's a hell of a drug.Sep 05 03:57
rick_jamestessier: "a helluva drug"Sep 05 03:57
tessierIndeedSep 05 03:57
tessierrick_james: Did you put your shoes up on Charlie Murphy's couch?Sep 05 03:58
Chips_B_MalroyI missed that show, among othersSep 05 03:58
rick_james"Charlie Murphy!....Charlie Murphy!"Sep 05 03:59
_Hicham_ah, here is DaemonFCSep 05 03:59
DaemonFCmmmhmSep 05 03:59
DaemonFCrebuilding Linux Mint around meSep 05 03:59
DaemonFCB-)Sep 05 03:59
rick_james"don't break my legs darkness brothers"Sep 05 03:59
_Hicham_rick_james : DaemonFC will kick your assSep 05 03:59
rick_james_Hicham_: I'll kick Axel's assSep 05 03:59
rick_jamesand I'll kick Charlie Murphy's assSep 05 04:00
_Hicham_you don't know DaemonFC ?Sep 05 04:00
DaemonFCB-)Sep 05 04:00
rick_james_Hicham_: no retard, and you don't know who Dave Chapelle isSep 05 04:00
DaemonFCDaemonFC is loved by allSep 05 04:00
rick_jamesfine, kick meSep 05 04:00
rick_jamesi don't give a fuckSep 05 04:00
rick_jamesDaemonFC: kick meSep 05 04:00
rick_jamesban me foreverSep 05 04:00
DaemonFCWomen admire DaemonFC and men want to be DaemonFCSep 05 04:00
rick_jamesno, woman dig BSD dudesSep 05 04:01
rick_jamesus Linux dorks get no playSep 05 04:01
DaemonFCChuck Norris stared into the eyes of DaemonFC once and Chuck Norris has been in a state mental hospital ever sinceSep 05 04:01
_Hicham_ah, that is what I saidSep 05 04:01
_Hicham_u GF left u for good ?Sep 05 04:01
DaemonFCwell, it's better than leaving him for evilSep 05 04:02
DaemonFCright?Sep 05 04:02
_Hicham_huh, rick_james ?Sep 05 04:02
rick_james_Hicham_: yeah, my GF left me once i switched from Fedora to DebianSep 05 04:02
rick_jamesdoes anybody still use Fedora?Sep 05 04:02
rick_jamesexcept Red Hat wannabe bitchesSep 05 04:02
rick_jamesoh, and nobody uses Suse...so you're all happySep 05 04:03
_Hicham_I use FedoraSep 05 04:03
Chips_B_MalroyI think rick James is putting us onSep 05 04:03
_Hicham_I am having really a good time listening to himSep 05 04:03
rick_jameswhat is up with OpenSuse....why do i have 18 package managers?Sep 05 04:03
rick_jamesand slow as shitSep 05 04:03
DaemonFCrick_james: Better check your Zypper, it may come undoneSep 05 04:04
DaemonFC:)Sep 05 04:04
Chips_B_Malroyu need them allSep 05 04:04
rick_jamesoh no, not ZypperSep 05 04:04
_Hicham_rick_james : u seem to be an old developerSep 05 04:04
Chips_B_Malroyuntil mono replaces it with the one true package managerSep 05 04:04
rick_jamesmy Zypper doesn't need an hour of dependency checksSep 05 04:04
rick_jamesmy real "zipper"Sep 05 04:04
rick_jamesopensuse needs to get their shit straightSep 05 04:04
rick_jamessuse is a jokeSep 05 04:05
rick_jamesNovell should buy Canonical and dump that Suse crapSep 05 04:05
Chips_B_Malroyyast was the last problem that I stopped trying suseSep 05 04:05
rick_jamesanything based off of redhat sucksSep 05 04:05
_Hicham_wow, torrent of knowledgeSep 05 04:05
rick_jamesoh yeah, yastSep 05 04:05
rick_jameswhat is it? yast or zypper or what else?Sep 05 04:06
_Hicham_rick_james : why not create ur own OS ?Sep 05 04:06
_Hicham_since u got all of that knowledgeSep 05 04:06
Chips_B_Malroythat was even b4 novell bought them, I only tried it once since thenSep 05 04:06
rick_james_Hicham_: yeah, he said "OS"...heheh..then he'd be coolSep 05 04:06
rick_james</beavis>Sep 05 04:06
_Hicham_rick_james : don't tell u r a fired Novell employeeSep 05 04:07
rick_jamesi ran desktop linux in the 90s....now it's just debianSep 05 04:07
rick_jameson the server, where linux belongsSep 05 04:07
Chips_B_Malroycould be worse, a laid off softieSep 05 04:07
rick_jamesi'd be rich if i was a laid off softieSep 05 04:08
rick_jameswhere's my ferrariSep 05 04:08
rick_jamesitalian trashSep 05 04:08
_Hicham_DaemonFC : I just tried Ubuntu KarmicSep 05 04:08
Chips_B_Malroynot all softies are richSep 05 04:08
rick_jameswhat's Karmic?Sep 05 04:08
Chips_B_Malroythere are a lot of them out of work these daysSep 05 04:08
tessierrick_james: Gotta disagree with you about Linux dorks getting no play.Sep 05 04:08
rick_jamestoo bad that ....thinking..thinking...that distro where all /etcs are in app directories OSX styleSep 05 04:09
rick_jamestessier: no, chicks just love IT nerdsSep 05 04:09
tessierIn 30 minutes I'm gonna be having a good time.Sep 05 04:09
_Hicham_very deep knowlege of ITSep 05 04:09
rick_james...well they love our moneySep 05 04:09
tessierI'd give you the play by play but I can't type and enjoy her company at the same time.Sep 05 04:09
twitter1I smell the smoke but I see no fire -> rick_james: thinking..thinkingSep 05 04:09
rick_james...and our(my) fast carsSep 05 04:09
rick_jamesall app config files are in app directorySep 05 04:10
rick_jamesala OSX styleSep 05 04:10
_Hicham_rick_james : go find some $100 and see a stripperSep 05 04:10
rick_jamessoft-linked for compatibilitySep 05 04:10
_Hicham_you will feel alrightSep 05 04:10
rick_jamesi wipe my ass with C billsSep 05 04:10
rick_jamesnot!Sep 05 04:10
Chips_B_Malroyyou sure you files are not in C:\program files  ?Sep 05 04:10
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twitter1musicians wise up.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/03/youtube-prs-deal-file-sharingSep 05 04:10
rick_jamesyes, they are....i run windows on the desktop...like i said i haven't run linux on the desktop in half a decadeSep 05 04:11
twitter1rick james keeps all his important things on a floppy.Sep 05 04:11
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twitter1his micro softieSep 05 04:11
rick_jamestwitter: a 8" floppieSep 05 04:11
rick_jamesbroSep 05 04:11
rick_jamesi'm total old schoolSep 05 04:11
twitter1totally limpSep 05 04:11
rick_jameslike war games old schoolSep 05 04:11
_Hicham_rick_james is an old nerdSep 05 04:11
twitter1basement schoolSep 05 04:12
Chips_B_MalroyRick, wow, I confused again, first it was BSD, then Debian, and a few others, and now it WindoseSep 05 04:12
rick_jamesyeah, i'm 8" floppie, don't ask me what i am hardSep 05 04:12
_Hicham_give him respectSep 05 04:12
twitter1passed out?Sep 05 04:12
rick_jamesChips_B_Malroy: damn dude, you are easily confusedSep 05 04:12
Chips_B_MalroyyesSep 05 04:12
rick_jamesi run 5-6 linux server (all debian)Sep 05 04:13
twitter1wootSep 05 04:13
twitter1don't forget your WAP.Sep 05 04:13
DaemonFC/home/ryan/.wine/drive_c/ ftwSep 05 04:13
DaemonFCheheSep 05 04:13
_Hicham_rick_james : are u in love with OSesSep 05 04:13
rick_jamesi run XP on my desktop...others run OSX or linuxSep 05 04:13
twitter1X Peeeeeee!Sep 05 04:13
Chips_B_Malroydoesn't everybodySep 05 04:13
twitter1this explains your unpleasant disposition.Sep 05 04:13
rick_jameswindows 7 is gonna kick Axel's ass..final death nail in the coffin of desktop linux....muwahahhaSep 05 04:13
twitter1Windows users are always angry.Sep 05 04:13
twitter1perpetually disappointedSep 05 04:14
rick_jamestwitter: no, we're busy picking up woman, while ubuntu desktop dorks are busy on forumsSep 05 04:14
neighborleerick_james, they better fix it before release then...rc I tried was still a mess overallSep 05 04:14
twitter1Windows 8 is going to the moon!Sep 05 04:14
rick_jamestrying to figure out some driver issueSep 05 04:14
Chips_B_Malroytwitter1> Windows users are always angry.--wouldn't you be too if you ran it?Sep 05 04:14
rick_jamesneighborlee: no it wasn't, stop lying. just be honest....windows 7 is a decent OS...if you prefer linux fine, but don't lieSep 05 04:15
neighborleeand that was just a month or so agoSep 05 04:15
twitter1yes, I used that crap for years and speak from experienceSep 05 04:15
neighborleerick_james, how dare you sir insult my integrity, I'll h ave you know im trusted amoung menSep 05 04:15
twitter1rick james comes to BN to pick up women!Sep 05 04:15
rick_jameswindows 7 will be a decent desktop OSSep 05 04:15
neighborleeharharSep 05 04:15
Chips_B_MalroyRick, isn't time you scanned for viruses and defragged yourself?Sep 05 04:15
twitter1lolSep 05 04:15
rick_jamesbut i do linux on the serverSep 05 04:15
neighborleelolSep 05 04:15
rick_jameswindows is too hard on the serverSep 05 04:15
twitter1server!Sep 05 04:15
rick_jamesIIS is a clusterfuckSep 05 04:15
rick_jamesgotta remote desktop in...all sorts of shenanigansSep 05 04:16
twitter1XP is a clusterfuckSep 05 04:16
_Hicham_this guy is a real scientistSep 05 04:16
DaemonFCtwitter1 is just a VBS script running on Windows 98Sep 05 04:16
rick_jamestwitter: desktop linux is a clusterfuckSep 05 04:16
DaemonFChe doesn't like to talk about itSep 05 04:16
rick_jameslinux on the server....OSX or Windows on the desktopSep 05 04:16
twitter1dual screens, do they make you feel bigger?Sep 05 04:16
rick_jamesthat's what pros doSep 05 04:16
rick_jamesyou dorks can run whatever you wantSep 05 04:17
twitter1pro?  prostitute?Sep 05 04:17
Chips_B_Malroywell, rick is entertainingSep 05 04:17
twitter1not reallySep 05 04:17
twitter1kind of repetitiveSep 05 04:17
rick_jamestwitter: you hurt my feelings...i'm here all week...try the veal..tip your waitersSep 05 04:17
Chips_B_Malroyrick_james> linux on the server....OSX or Windows on the desktop---what the heck, now you running OS X?  I really confusedSep 05 04:17
twitter1awwww, have a hugSep 05 04:17
rick_jamesChips_B_Malroy: is it possible for you to understand that some of us can run maybe 10s of OSs at the same time from within our desktop?Sep 05 04:18
twitter1the only thing he runs are his mom's groceriesSep 05 04:18
twitter1and his mouthSep 05 04:18
rick_jamestwitter, sorry, i run XP on the desktop, you linux guys are the basement dwellersSep 05 04:18
Chips_B_MalroyYes, rick, I run VM's tooSep 05 04:19
rick_jamestwitter is a bitter, bitter boySep 05 04:19
twitter1ha haSep 05 04:19
twitter1Yeah, I hang out on Windows forums and insult the people there with my penis.Sep 05 04:19
rick_jamestwitter: you bitch-slap them with your penis?Sep 05 04:19
rick_james"whap, whap"Sep 05 04:19
twitter1no, I just make up stories about how big and old it is.Sep 05 04:20
rick_jamesno, seriously i like linux...debian...i can have a web server running in 15 minutesSep 05 04:20
rick_jamesapache config files confuse the fuck out of me stillSep 05 04:20
twitter1no one cares what you likeSep 05 04:20
rick_jamestwitter: yes you do..admit itSep 05 04:20
rick_jamestwitter: you're very interested..stop denying itSep 05 04:20
Chips_B_Malroybasement dwellers, I have been called that many times before, time to get better insults, or at least something orginal.  But then M$ is known to never have any new ideasSep 05 04:20
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twitter1same old, same oldSep 05 04:21
rick_jameshey chip..new ideas?  M$?Sep 05 04:21
rick_jamesnew idea...M$?Sep 05 04:21
rick_jamesdorkistanSep 05 04:21
rick_jamesi'll be back later..the old lady is dragging me to the bars even though i need to programSep 05 04:21
twitter1have you grasped Steve Ballmer's mighty penis lately, rick?Sep 05 04:21
rick_jamesyes, i'm geekistanSep 05 04:21
twitter1I seeSep 05 04:21
rick_jamestwitter's new name is bitterboySep 05 04:22
twitter1my name is neoSep 05 04:22
twitter1bitchSep 05 04:22
rick_jamesfine, your new name is geekistanSep 05 04:22
rick_jameslater bitches!Sep 05 04:22
rick_jamesi'm rick james bitches!Sep 05 04:22
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twitter1clearing scrollSep 05 04:23
twitter1:)Sep 05 04:23
twitter1that troll was dull.Sep 05 04:23
twitter1mostly harmlessSep 05 04:23
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*DaemonFC switched over to GRUB2 :)Sep 05 04:23
twitter1got dragged out to a bar by his latest piece of imaginary propertySep 05 04:25
DaemonFCI found out what's up with Last.fm, apparently they changed their API because all these applications were unauthorized and now you have to pay them for a key for a premium account if you want to use an unofficial clientSep 05 04:25
DaemonFCRhythmbox got a waiver and is apparently using a free API keySep 05 04:25
DaemonFCBanshee didn't get one in time for 1.5.0Sep 05 04:26
twitter1i4i document publication is a mess.  Word case is shrouded in mystery. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090904195554466Sep 05 04:27
_Hicham_DaemonFC : still hanging around Mint ?Sep 05 04:28
DaemonFCindeedSep 05 04:28
DaemonFCI like itSep 05 04:28
_Hicham_the latest kernel is working as expected ?Sep 05 04:28
DaemonFCyes, I figured out all the problemsSep 05 04:29
twitter1->  Microsoft doesn't want another Linux, of course. It hates the first one. But what about you?Sep 05 04:29
twitter1she's a little bit wrong.  M$ wants to own gnu/linux.Sep 05 04:30
twitter1the same way they stole BSDSep 05 04:30
DaemonFCfor some reason, if you import your working Ubuntu kernel config to use as a template for 2.6.31, it will uncheck "Multimedia Devices" from your driversSep 05 04:30
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DaemonFCso if you just let it build like that, you won't have your webcam, TV tuner, or radio tuner driversSep 05 04:30
DaemonFCit's easy enough to re-select them though, IF you know it did itSep 05 04:30
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_Hicham_that is Ubuntu Karmic have no sound I thinkSep 05 04:31
Chips_B_Malroytwittter> PJ thinks like a lawyer I believe, but thinks the court system is honest.  Look at how quick the court system moved to allow MS to keep selling OfficeSep 05 04:37
Chips_B_Malroythink M$ most likely got to themSep 05 04:37
twitter1The court might be going for retirement.... Biski will wreck their business model too.Sep 05 04:38
twitter1"Pay us or you can't sell Word" LOLSep 05 04:38
twitter1We shall see.Sep 05 04:38
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twitter1PJ knows better than to insult the court without good evidence.Sep 05 04:39
Chips_B_MalroytrueSep 05 04:39
twitter1Others have written up how the court is a big money maker and all sorts of nefarious firms have set up around it.Sep 05 04:40
twitter1Of course, many have also shown that software patents are fraud, so the court's basis is fraudulent.Sep 05 04:40
Chips_B_Malroytwitter, you live here in the USA?Sep 05 04:41
twitter1Yes.Sep 05 04:41
twitter1Someone like me might conclude that the East Texas is a greedy fraud.Sep 05 04:41
twitter1East Texas patent mill.Sep 05 04:42
DaemonFCEast Texas, where all patent lawsuits flySep 05 04:42
DaemonFCno matter how frivolousSep 05 04:42
DaemonFCpatently frivolous you might saySep 05 04:42
Chips_B_Malroythen you know that we have more people behind bars, percentage wise than any western industrial country.  With the possible exception of Russia, but that was back a few years ago, and I think we suppassed Russia nowSep 05 04:43
Chips_B_Malroyit is sometimes referred to as the "prision industry"Sep 05 04:44
_Hicham_twitter1 seems to be a common prisonerSep 05 04:44
twitter1->  you have to read Canadian press to get  much of i4i's side of the story, which could be an indication of the disparity in funding for things like PR, and the court isn't helping [by not publishing documents]Sep 05 04:45
Chips_B_Malroylaws, the court system, and the prison industry, are all interratedSep 05 04:45
Chips_B_Malroybut PJ says the big media got those docs, but won't help her get them.  Could it be that big media is friends with MS?Sep 05 04:46
Chips_B_MalroyMSNBCSep 05 04:47
Chips_B_Malroyfirst on list of examplesSep 05 04:47
Chips_B_Malroygreed and corruption goes very deepSep 05 04:47
Chips_B_MalroyI did read your linkSep 05 04:48
Chips_B_MalroyI always read PJ anywaySep 05 04:48
DaemonFCi4i is a patent trollSep 05 04:51
twitter1Noooooo!  Not at all.  Nor is the court playing favorites.  Move along -> Could it be that big media is friends with MS?Sep 05 04:51
DaemonFCif they thought they could take a bite out of anyone's ass over OOo, they wouldSep 05 04:51
Chips_B_Malroyif the court is not publishing the docs, but PJ says that the media still got themSep 05 04:51
twitter1The court is publishing parts of some.  It is secretive, and odd.Sep 05 04:52
Chips_B_Malroyi4i s not a patent trollSep 05 04:53
DaemonFCthe tide is starting to turn against i4i as they move out of the lawsuit friendly east Texas court systemSep 05 04:53
twitter1nope, i4i is a real company providing real goods and services.Sep 05 04:53
DaemonFCno they don'tSep 05 04:53
Chips_B_Malroyeverything the us courts and the DOJ have done with regards to MS is oddSep 05 04:53
DaemonFCthey're doing exactly what the FSF bitches aboutSep 05 04:54
twitter1M$ really did charm their way in and suck out everything of use before treating them like another "one night stand"Sep 05 04:54
DaemonFCmalicious use of patents to stop other people from implementing software functionalitSep 05 04:54
DaemonFC*functionalitySep 05 04:54
twitter1If software patents have any merit, i4i's case is solid.Sep 05 04:54
DaemonFCand they don't have any meritSep 05 04:54
DaemonFCi4i includedSep 05 04:54
DaemonFCas amusing as it is to see Microsoft get a taste of their own medicine, it doesn't mean that i4i is goodSep 05 04:55
DaemonFCor that software patents are anything other than bogusSep 05 04:55
DaemonFCI'm not siding with Microsoft, but you're a hypocrite if you say "toss all the damned patents out" then root for a patent troll just because they're pursuing someone you don't like (this time)Sep 05 04:56
Chips_B_MalroyWhile software patents should never have been, they are the law of this landSep 05 04:57
DaemonFCif they were going after Red Hat, you'd be singing a different tune even though it wouldn't change what they are or what they're doingSep 05 04:57
DaemonFCMicrosoft would rather get sued now and then than throw the system out that lets them intimidate othersSep 05 04:58
Chips_B_Malroyand this is only the start of software patents lawsuitsSep 05 04:58
DaemonFCto them, i4i is just another pain in the ass, they'll settle it if they have to and then move right alongSep 05 04:58
Chips_B_MalroyMS will be sued many many timesSep 05 04:59
DaemonFCto them, it's a cost of doing businessSep 05 04:59
DaemonFCbeing sued is like paying the electric billSep 05 04:59
Chips_B_Malroyfor the simple fact, if your objective is to make money, you sue those with the most moneySep 05 04:59
Chips_B_MalroyMS brags about how much money it makes and hasSep 05 05:00
DaemonFCwell yeah, but being sued and losing an average of $100 million or so to them is cheap when they benefit from using the same tactics as i4i or uniloc towards LinuxSep 05 05:00
DaemonFCto them, the fact of being sued is like paying an insurance policySep 05 05:00
Chips_B_Malroyits a lawsuit patent target as well as Windows is a malware targetSep 05 05:00
DaemonFCyou lose a little money on the premiums each month, but it saves you from being devastated when something comes upSep 05 05:01
DaemonFCspeaking of which, my aunt is dropping off her laptop and my cousin's laptop tomorrowSep 05 05:01
Chips_B_Malroythats only one case, I bet they are starting to pay more than a billion a year now in lawsuits.  Not counting EU finesSep 05 05:01
DaemonFCI get to root out all the malware and possibly wipe the disc an reload VistaSep 05 05:01
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: The EU is essentially stealingSep 05 05:02
Chips_B_Malroyuse DBANSep 05 05:02
DaemonFCthey wouldn't do that if Microsoft was based in EuropeSep 05 05:02
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DaemonFCif the EU actually gave a flying f*** about Microsoft exploiting the customer, they'd make them redesign Windows to allow competitionSep 05 05:03
twitter1well, that and the simple fact that M$ is more abusive and their software is easier to break than anyone else'sSep 05 05:03
DaemonFCnot just fine them over and over with no real resolution in it for the consumerSep 05 05:03
Chips_B_MalroyI lie the EU, I say more power to them, my only complaint with the EU is they have been far too easy on MSSep 05 05:03
twitter1lawsuit and malware magnets for better reasons than "success"Sep 05 05:04
DaemonFCthe EU doesn't care if Internet Explorer is pissing all over the user's preferencesSep 05 05:04
Chips_B_Malroy*likeSep 05 05:04
DaemonFCand reasserting itself as the default browser whenever you open itSep 05 05:04
DaemonFCthey just want their moneySep 05 05:04
DaemonFCthe European Commission is basically a group of gangstersSep 05 05:05
Chips_B_Malroyfine, let the EU take MS money, I like thatSep 05 05:05
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: I'm just sayingSep 05 05:05
DaemonFCWHY does the EU never do anything about the anticompetitive behavior of MS applicationsSep 05 05:05
Chips_B_MalroyThe DOJ could have done itSep 05 05:05
DaemonFCthe illegal bundlingSep 05 05:05
DaemonFCthe trampling of consumer choiceSep 05 05:06
Chips_B_MalroyExcept Bush came in all friends with MSSep 05 05:06
DaemonFCthey haven't stopped Microsoft from dancing all over the customer with bundled foistwareSep 05 05:06
DaemonFCthey jsut take their protection money and then go away for another year or twoSep 05 05:06
Chips_B_Malroybut they are tryingSep 05 05:06
DaemonFCgangstersSep 05 05:06
_Hicham_DaemonFC is helping MSSep 05 05:07
DaemonFCthe EU is helping themSep 05 05:07
_Hicham_for how much did u buy Vista ?Sep 05 05:07
_Hicham_the EU is not helping themSep 05 05:08
DaemonFCMicrosoft forks over the money and the EU lets Windows bundleware get away with murderSep 05 05:08
DaemonFCto hell with the EUSep 05 05:08
_Hicham_they are forcing them to ship a browserless windows 8Sep 05 05:08
_Hicham_*7Sep 05 05:08
DaemonFCno they aren'tSep 05 05:08
DaemonFCthey have that stupid f-ing browser ballotSep 05 05:08
DaemonFCthat's not an IE-less WindowsSep 05 05:08
DaemonFCit's not even a slap on the wristSep 05 05:09
DaemonFCpeople who are interested in seeking out Firefox already have itSep 05 05:09
_Hicham_they said that they will give the user the choice to download his browser of choiceSep 05 05:09
DaemonFCpeople who want Opera already have itSep 05 05:09
_Hicham_but people who don't know about browsers ?Sep 05 05:09
Chips_B_Malroyactually, MS put the ballet in, and I think the EU did not tell them to do that?  Not sure, but I think they still going get a big fine out of thisSep 05 05:09
_Hicham_what do u think they will choose ?Sep 05 05:09
DaemonFCthey haven't forced the removal of IE in total or at least forcing Microsoft to not make IE make an ass out of itselfSep 05 05:09
DaemonFCthey could, they haven'tSep 05 05:10
DaemonFCthat tells you it's all about the moneySep 05 05:10
_Hicham_then how did this proposal came to light ?Sep 05 05:10
Chips_B_Malroyit tells me that the EU court system is slow and they have not made a decision yetSep 05 05:10
DaemonFCthat's like saying "Pay the EU $700 million and they'll let you continue to violate their consumer protection laws"Sep 05 05:11
DaemonFCit's a price of admissionSep 05 05:11
_Hicham_gooSep 05 05:11
_Hicham_goodSep 05 05:11
_Hicham_in the US they don't pay a dimeSep 05 05:11
DaemonFCthey should be fined, but if this is really all about the consumer, they should also have to change the malicious behavior of Windows bundlewareSep 05 05:11
DaemonFCand provide uninstallers for itSep 05 05:11
Chips_B_Malroyyes. except to some of the states that dropped out of the DOJ lawsuits,  I think all those cases are over nowSep 05 05:12
_Hicham_uninstallers for what ?Sep 05 05:12
_Hicham_an example plzSep 05 05:12
_Hicham_IE?Sep 05 05:12
_Hicham_Windows Movie Maker ?Sep 05 05:12
_Hicham_Notepad ?Sep 05 05:12
_Hicham_Wordpad ?Sep 05 05:12
_Hicham_Regedit ?Sep 05 05:12
_Hicham_can u imagine a Windows without that staff ?Sep 05 05:13
DaemonFCIE, Windows Media Player, Windows Movie Maker, should be optional componentsSep 05 05:13
Chips_B_MalroyI think Daemon means IE, outlook, wmp, and messinger, forced middleware bundlingSep 05 05:13
DaemonFCand Windows Media Center tooSep 05 05:13
DaemonFCpreciselySep 05 05:13
_Hicham_Microsoft won't allow thatSep 05 05:13
DaemonFCno shitSep 05 05:13
Chips_B_Malroyand I agree with you DaemonSep 05 05:13
_Hicham_they will simply die than allow itSep 05 05:14
Chips_B_Malroyand thats a bad thing?Sep 05 05:14
DaemonFCAll "turning it off" does is hide some icons and disable parts of itSep 05 05:14
DaemonFCit doesn't actually uninstall any of itSep 05 05:14
Chips_B_Malroyhow?Sep 05 05:14
_Hicham_but it is thereSep 05 05:15
_Hicham_IE can't be removedSep 05 05:15
_Hicham_IE is more than a browser in WindowsSep 05 05:15
DaemonFCIE the browser can, but 99.9% of it is still thereSep 05 05:15
DaemonFC(Windows 7)Sep 05 05:15
DaemonFCIE is just a browser without an uninstallerSep 05 05:15
_Hicham_it is the Windows Network Stack in factSep 05 05:15
Chips_B_Malroytwo parts of IE, IE itself and windows explorerSep 05 05:15
DaemonFCno it isn'tSep 05 05:15
_Hicham_u can't remove IE completelySep 05 05:16
DaemonFCyes you canSep 05 05:16
Chips_B_MalroyWindows 95 had windows explorer, although it might have had another nameSep 05 05:16
_Hicham_then windows will become uselessSep 05 05:16
DaemonFChave to use third party customization toolsSep 05 05:16
DaemonFCit can be doneSep 05 05:16
_Hicham_for example, the help center won't workSep 05 05:16
_Hicham_all help files won't workSep 05 05:16
DaemonFCI uninstall the help center tooSep 05 05:16
_Hicham_that is just some of the breakageSep 05 05:17
Chips_B_Malroyyou cannot remove windows explorer, you can remove most of IESep 05 05:17
_Hicham_what about help files ?Sep 05 05:17
DaemonFCWindows Explorer is a different programSep 05 05:17
_Hicham_the chm files ?Sep 05 05:17
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Chips_B_MalroyThe help center is useless and mostly brokenSep 05 05:17
_Hicham_how can u read chm files without IE ?Sep 05 05:17
DaemonFCthe help center is for idiots that can't figure out a simple GUISep 05 05:17
DaemonFCI've never read the help system of any OS because it's never as helpful as googling the problemSep 05 05:18
Chips_B_Malroyyes, its asks you if your computer is plugged inSep 05 05:18
_Hicham_help system for a new softwareSep 05 05:18
DaemonFCand besides, most programs are self explanatorySep 05 05:18
_Hicham_let's say, PhotoshopSep 05 05:18
_Hicham_Photoshop for example is not self explanatorySep 05 05:18
Chips_B_Malroyhey, let MS find another way to display help pagesSep 05 05:18
DaemonFCPhotoshop is massive and there are books at the library on how to use itSep 05 05:18
_Hicham_Adobe Flash MX is not self explanatorySep 05 05:19
_Hicham_those are just examplesSep 05 05:19
_Hicham_and a lot of books are in chm formatSep 05 05:19
Chips_B_Malroythe help system in xp was mostly broken anywaySep 05 05:19
_Hicham_a lot of software use IE to display stuffSep 05 05:20
Chips_B_Malroythere was bad links that could be fixed with some programs for windows helpSep 05 05:20
Chips_B_Malroyu can always reinstall it IE, if thats the case, but I say its not worth the malware problems for windows usersSep 05 05:21
Chips_B_Malroythey be better off without any IE and make MS use something else for updates as wellSep 05 05:21
_Hicham_u gotta find a way to use another rendering engineSep 05 05:22
_Hicham_but I don't it is legalSep 05 05:22
Chips_B_Malroylegal for what?Sep 05 05:22
_Hicham_otherwise, people could have written an mshtml.dll pointing to some other engineSep 05 05:23
_Hicham_and it is not very hardSep 05 05:23
_Hicham_reverse engineering mshtml.dll would be a gameSep 05 05:23
Chips_B_Malroyit will become legal over night if MS is forced to use something else besides IESep 05 05:24
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Chips_B_MalroyWell, goodnight people its been fun chatting with you folksSep 05 05:26
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DaemonFChehSep 05 05:28
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twitter1blithering bullshit about Vista 7 -> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171275/microsoft_intel_build_fast_efficient_windows_7_machines.htmlSep 05 06:00
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twitter1AES, DirectX 11 !!111!! rock Onan!Sep 05 06:01
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twitter1the phrase " takes advantage of" comes up a lot.  Takes advantage of [your choice]Sep 05 06:02
twitter1Windows 7 is not Vista, they promise.  http://www.crn.com/software/219500961Sep 05 06:06
wallclimberAhh...fast, efficient windows 7...lolSep 05 06:06
wallclimbertwitter, i saved you a hamburgerSep 05 06:06
wallclimberi just dropped in to see if there was any conversation going on...Sep 05 06:07
wallclimberwas reading chips malory's comments on ms watch.  i've never visited that site beforeSep 05 06:08
wallclimbera friend called this afternoon to tell me she'd bought a dell netbook and was surprised that it had ubuntu on it.Sep 05 06:09
wallclimbershe likes itSep 05 06:09
twitter1thanks for the burgerSep 05 06:09
wallclimberit's funny, 3 years ago i knew no one that didn't use windowsSep 05 06:09
twitter1nothing much is going on hereSep 05 06:09
wallclimberthis year i hardly know anyone that uses windowsSep 05 06:10
twitter1:)Sep 05 06:10
wallclimberhi twitter, i'm sorry you missed the cook outSep 05 06:10
wallclimberare you in the states?Sep 05 06:10
twitter1I'm in Tacoma.Sep 05 06:10
twitter1Right next to M$.Sep 05 06:11
wallclimberwe had all the neighbors here and some friends, it was niceSep 05 06:11
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wallclimberyes, that's a little too far to run over for a hamburger...i'm in arizonaSep 05 06:11
wallclimberthe state where we don't need no stinkin' charcoal to cook our burgersSep 05 06:12
wallclimber:o)  (it wasn't quite as hot today as it's been)Sep 05 06:12
wallclimberbtw, i've had a bit of wine, so i probably shouldn't be left unsupervised at the computerSep 05 06:13
wallclimberyears ago i lived in stanwood washington...it was very prettySep 05 06:13
wallclimber(I'm rambling...i should stop...sorry)Sep 05 06:14
wallclimberbye for now...(wallclimber toddles off to find her wine glass...Sep 05 06:14
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rick_jamesmy favorite enemiesSep 05 06:49
rick_jamesmy favorite gpl jihadistsSep 05 06:49
rick_jameshola, anyway...Sep 05 06:53
rick_jameshey twitterSep 05 06:54
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twitter1lost your girlfriend?Sep 05 07:10
twitter1imaginary property, imaginary date.Sep 05 07:10
twitter1I've been updating the Vista 7 Hype Log.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/216759Sep 05 07:11
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_Goblinthey are starting early today....Sep 05 08:21
schestowitzTHat troll came in just minutes after I went to get sleepSep 05 08:25
schestowitzAre we DDOSed?Sep 05 08:28
schestowitzSeems like itSep 05 08:28
schestowitzping tessier Sep 05 08:28
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_GoblinLinuxtracker has been having some trouble lately with DDOSSep 05 08:29
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schestowitzIt has apparently gone on for a few hours.Sep 05 08:30
_Goblinthere's been alot of it around Linux sites recently...Sep 05 08:32
tessierschestowitz: It looks like yahoo is spidering too hardSep 05 08:35
tessierThat's the only thing I can see happening.Sep 05 08:35
tessierWe need to take a look at the site and figure out how we can fix this.Sep 05 08:35
schestowitzWHat shall we do?Sep 05 08:35
schestowitztessier: thanks a lotSep 05 08:35
tessierI'm just blocking the crawling ip's for the momentSep 05 08:36
schestowitzSOmeone mailed me 3 hours ago saying he had issues accessing tooSep 05 08:36
tessierI have been getting pages about it all evening.Sep 05 08:36
tessierIt comes and goes it seems.Sep 05 08:36
schestowitzMaybe it's part of Yahoo's deal with Microsoft ;-)Sep 05 08:36
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schestowitzNovell News Summary – Part I: OpenSUSE Conference Preparations, Indonesian Event < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/05/opensuse-conference-preparations/ >Sep 05 09:57
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DaemonFCMandriva is sending me junkmail now trying to sell me a DVD playerSep 05 10:08
DaemonFCI guess nobody got the memo that VLC is freeSep 05 10:08
schestowitzOr an OSSep 05 10:16
schestowitzSome people still pay for WindowsSep 05 10:16
_GoblinI'd heard that too Roy....I dont believe it though! ;)Sep 05 10:16
_Goblinif Windows can be sold its proof you can sell anything.Sep 05 10:17
DaemonFCFluendo = parasitesSep 05 10:17
schestowitzI was going to bring up FluendoSep 05 10:21
DaemonFCspeaking of bloated and unnecessary software, Songbird is hell on wheels, especially on WindowsSep 05 10:21
schestowitzI got some weird E_mails last nightSep 05 10:21
DaemonFCemails from who?Sep 05 10:22
schestowitzI need to be more careful who I reply toSep 05 10:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: I don't knowSep 05 10:22
schestowitzPeople without real namesSep 05 10:22
schestowitzTo discredit the site...Sep 05 10:22
schestowitzOh, and that troll who was here earlier...Sep 05 10:22
schestowitzShouting insults and making death wishes...Sep 05 10:23
schestowitzI wonder if it's related to other issues we've been havingSep 05 10:23
schestowitzSOngBird llooks niceSep 05 10:23
schestowitzIs it bloated?Sep 05 10:23
DaemonFCit looks nice, but it's notSep 05 10:23
schestowitzI might try it it's lightSep 05 10:23
schestowitzLet's see the reposSep 05 10:23
DaemonFCwell, it has a lot of features and an easy to use plug in systemSep 05 10:23
DaemonFCthose are the good partsSep 05 10:23
DaemonFCbad part is that it's essentially Firefox lugging around a full copy of Gstreamer :)Sep 05 10:24
schestowitzIt's not in the reposSep 05 10:24
schestowitzxmms2 is weirdSep 05 10:24
DaemonFCit even uses it's own internal version of Gstreamer in WindowsSep 05 10:25
schestowitzSeems like soke cLI wrapped of some kindSep 05 10:25
DaemonFCI looked at the memory use and found that it was using over 3 times as much as WinampSep 05 10:25
DaemonFCabout the same difference on Linux between Songbird and something like Rhythmbox or BansheeSep 05 10:26
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's not in Ubuntu's repo eitherSep 05 10:33
DaemonFCGetdeb has it - http://www.getdeb.net/release.php?id=4461Sep 05 10:33
DaemonFCschestowitz, it's funny, because you can actually use it as a web browser too, complete with adblock plusSep 05 10:34
DaemonFCfunny as in scary anywaySep 05 10:34
schestowitzNot neededSep 05 10:35
schestowitzSounds like Banshee stupiditySep 05 10:35
DaemonFCworseSep 05 10:35
DaemonFCmuch much much worseSep 05 10:35
schestowitzI read somewhere that Bashee development slowedSep 05 10:35
schestowitzDo many people use it at all?Sep 05 10:35
DaemonFCSongbird can only be described as "Something Awful" yet it has tons of fanboysSep 05 10:35
schestowitzThey want to have it penetrate *buntu as default appSep 05 10:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, They have to fix Last.FM firstSep 05 10:36
DaemonFCor they'll have an open revolt if they try to get it in UbuntuSep 05 10:36
DaemonFCit's been broken for monthsSep 05 10:37
DaemonFCif they were really hammering away on it, it something that small would have been fixed by nowSep 05 10:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1418/screenshotjb.pngSep 05 10:43
DaemonFC:)Sep 05 10:43
DaemonFCmust be using the Firefox 3 rendering engineSep 05 10:44
DaemonFCat any rate, adblock plus works, Flash sites work, even JavaSep 05 10:44
DaemonFCthe google search extension works tooSep 05 10:44
DaemonFChmmmmSep 05 10:49
DaemonFCI just had a really perverted ideaSep 05 10:49
DaemonFCI should install Chatzilla tooSep 05 10:49
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schestowitzHi, oiaohm Sep 05 11:11
schestowitzDid you see the article about Best Buy?Sep 05 11:11
oiaohmOne from last night?Sep 05 11:13
oiaohmOk last night my time ie 12 hours ago.Sep 05 11:13
schestowitzYesSep 05 11:13
oiaohmOppsSep 05 11:13
oiaohm24 hours ago.Sep 05 11:13
schestowitzI wrote about it in BNSep 05 11:14
oiaohmNice schestowitz.  I seam to get quoted a bit by you.Sep 05 11:15
DaemonFChmmmSep 05 11:15
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DaemonSongbirdthis has to be a firstSep 05 11:17
DaemonSongbirdgreetings from an IRC client in a web browser in a media player :)Sep 05 11:17
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DaemonFCheheSep 05 11:17
DaemonFCnow that's Web 2.0Sep 05 11:17
DaemonFCI had to override the extension compatibility check, but it workedSep 05 11:19
DaemonFCschestowitz, Just like I said, a media player lugging around a braindead FirefoxSep 05 11:19
oiaohmSorry not a first.Sep 05 11:20
oiaohmA few have also been here using the webbrowser in thunderbird as well DaemonFCSep 05 11:20
oiaohmBasically if it can web browse someone has done it.Sep 05 11:21
DaemonFChmmmm....I wonder if it would be possible to integrate Thunderbird into SongbirdSep 05 11:21
DaemonFCand then integrate Chatzilla into thatSep 05 11:21
DaemonFCThunderSongFoxZilla?Sep 05 11:22
DaemonFC:)Sep 05 11:22
oiaohmCan be done DaemonFCSep 05 11:22
DaemonFCoiaohm, there's your netbook OSSep 05 11:22
oiaohmCan get even more confusing if you intergrate in fox tunes as well.Sep 05 11:23
DaemonFCmake some kind of minimal Linux-based environment that's just good enough to load ThunderSongFoxZillaSep 05 11:23
DaemonFCand you'll sell a billion of themSep 05 11:23
DaemonFCI don't know quite why people have a fetish for spending more and more money on devices that let them do less and lessSep 05 11:24
DaemonFCthe margins on those netbooks much be pretty lucrativeSep 05 11:24
DaemonFCthe hardware probably costs next to nothing to makeSep 05 11:24
DaemonFC*mustSep 05 11:24
DaemonFCoiaohm, The problem with applications that do everything is that they don't tend to do any particular task wellSep 05 11:25
oiaohmhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/219  << foxtunes DaemonFCSep 05 11:26
DaemonFCso even though it sounds cool, it's not worth screwing around withSep 05 11:26
oiaohmYep in theory you could do the insane looped controls.Sep 05 11:26
DaemonFChmmmSep 05 11:28
DaemonFCKarmic has Gnome Shell in the repositorySep 05 11:28
schestowitzSongBird has JS?Sep 05 11:29
schestowitzTHey can introduce more complexity for vulns.. in a MEDIA playerSep 05 11:29
schestowitzLike autofetch of rogue codecsSep 05 11:29
schestowitzI use THunderBird as a Web browser and RSS newsreaderSep 05 11:30
DaemonFCschestowitz, it also lets websites read your music library by defaultSep 05 11:30
DaemonFC:)Sep 05 11:30
DaemonFCsecurity problems begging to happenSep 05 11:30
DaemonFCschestowitz, I said all along that XUL would be the cause of cross platform malwareSep 05 11:31
DaemonFCand there's already been a few documented cases of thatSep 05 11:31
oiaohmAlso rare DaemonFCSep 05 11:32
oiaohmBecause lot of the weakness for cross platform malware get closed.Sep 05 11:32
DaemonFCwell, oiaohm, the way Firefox is, you pretty much have to trick someone into installing an extensionSep 05 11:32
DaemonFCbut since there's plenty of stupid people, there will be plenty of victimsSep 05 11:33
DaemonFCbut the way Songbird is, it practically rolls out the red carpet for drive by malwareSep 05 11:33
oiaohmBigger weakness is the .net engine MS added.Sep 05 11:33
DaemonFCI doubt the user would even get a chance to say noSep 05 11:33
DaemonFChttp://live.gnome.org/GnomeShellSep 05 11:34
DaemonFCbig things coming :)Sep 05 11:34
oiaohmTo be correct with songbird its a little harder.Sep 05 11:34
oiaohmIts extentions install from 1 site and are signed.Sep 05 11:35
oiaohmFirefox still accepts unsigned.Sep 05 11:35
DaemonFCGNOME 3 may very well blow past KDE 4.xSep 05 11:35
oiaohmNot really.Sep 05 11:35
DaemonFCKDE 4 still relies on monolithic applicationsSep 05 11:36
oiaohmif the gnome developers don't fix some of Gnomes design defects for version 3 its going to make KDE 4.0 look friendly.Sep 05 11:36
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DaemonFCdoesn't look like this will so muchSep 05 11:36
oiaohmCore design errors.Sep 05 11:36
oiaohmLike having every application create a service basically on dbus.Sep 05 11:36
oiaohmLets hope dbus stays operating.Sep 05 11:37
DaemonFCoiaohm, seems like they're stripping out a lot of legacy crap alreadySep 05 11:37
DaemonFCjust look at the GNOME 2.28 developmentSep 05 11:37
DaemonFCmost of the changes are in the backgroundSep 05 11:37
oiaohmRemoving legacy crap is what KDE 4.0 did.Sep 05 11:37
DaemonFCit's pretty much functionally identical to 2.26 thoughSep 05 11:37
oiaohmRemember the explosions about missing features.Sep 05 11:37
DaemonFCthis is all work leading to GNOME 3.0Sep 05 11:37
oiaohmGnome biggest issue is how they are handling how to run applications once.Sep 05 11:38
DaemonFCI don't think GNOME 3 will be nearly as painful as KDE 4Sep 05 11:38
oiaohmIts stupid.Sep 05 11:38
oiaohmIn gnome 3.Sep 05 11:38
DaemonFCcause by the time they get there, a lot of the work will be done alreadySep 05 11:38
oiaohmOk process table already tells you if a application si already loaded if you use it right.Sep 05 11:38
oiaohmLets not use the process table.Sep 05 11:38
oiaohmLets build something nasty using dbus and correctly named .desktop files.Sep 05 11:39
oiaohmand hope users never rename .desktop files because the complete system will screw up.Sep 05 11:39
oiaohmThat is what they have done DaemonFCSep 05 11:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: i quoted you on moox here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-ban-on-word/Sep 05 11:39
oiaohmAt the core of lauching applications is screwed in Gnome 3.Sep 05 11:40
oiaohmAnd that is the main task of a mondern day desktop.Sep 05 11:40
oiaohmKde 4.x the basics worked.  Everything above the basices was trouble.Sep 05 11:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, the reason I looked into that is because they advertised all the "preloaded software" and I took it to mean 30 days of Norton and 60 days of MS OfficeSep 05 11:42
oiaohmGnome 3 threat is that everythign above the basics work but the basics themselves dont.Sep 05 11:42
DaemonFCturns out it's a year of Norton and the full version of OfficeSep 05 11:42
schestowitzRuby on Rails flaw is found and fixed < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532385/ruby-rails-flaw-fixed >Sep 05 11:43
DaemonFCthey have to be getting desperate to hold onto customers if they're giving out full versionsSep 05 11:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: they have done that for years]Sep 05 11:43
schestowitz30-day trial of officeSep 05 11:43
schestowitzooxml trapSep 05 11:43
schestowitzCan't escape the trialSep 05 11:43
schestowitzData lossSep 05 11:43
DaemonFCyeah, I've never seen them giving away the full thing thoughSep 05 11:43
DaemonFCit's usually the typical 30 day cripplewareSep 05 11:44
schestowitzFree cocaine\Sep 05 11:44
oiaohmNot 100 percent new DaemonFCSep 05 11:44
DaemonFCstart using it now, pay us $200 when it time bombsSep 05 11:44
oiaohmRemember there is only a year left on 2007.Sep 05 11:44
DaemonFCit's why they set the Windows 7 RC to expire in March when the RTM is out in OctoberSep 05 11:45
oiaohmBefore MS releases office 2010Sep 05 11:45
DaemonFCthey don't want you to think "What good is it if it only works for a couple months?"Sep 05 11:45
oiaohmBecause they wants you to down load the next RC.Sep 05 11:45
DaemonFCoiaohm, yeah, but it takes time for the new version to spreadSep 05 11:45
DaemonFCso you may get 2-3 years off of 2007Sep 05 11:45
oiaohmOffice 95 was also given away cheap before the release of Office 97Sep 05 11:46
oiaohmIt is a sign of harder competition in the market.Sep 05 11:46
schestowitzDoes No One Remember That Google Tried And Failed To 'Rent' Videos Online In The Past? http://techdirt.com/articles/20090903/0340246095.shtmlSep 05 11:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, online video rental schemes have always gone bankrupt in the endSep 05 11:48
DaemonFCpeople rent a video or two and then the DRM screws up and they can't play the movie after hours of downloadingSep 05 11:48
DaemonFCand they can't get their money backSep 05 11:49
DaemonFCthe endSep 05 11:49
DaemonFCif the movie studios would just give you a DVD ISO image for $10, with no strings attached, they'd have much better successSep 05 11:50
oiaohmhttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17736-codebreaking-quantum-algorithm-run-on-a-silicon-chip.html  << hmmSep 05 11:50
DaemonFCthey still cling onto the pipe dream that DRM is uncrackable or that sending out thousands of crippled copies will protect the movie when they ship hundreds of thousands of DVDs which can be ripped in minutesSep 05 11:50
DaemonFCit's why iTunes DRM didn't save them from one unauthorized downloadSep 05 11:51
oiaohmWater marking has proven far more effective than DRM.Sep 05 11:52
DaemonFCDRM promoted unauthorized downloading, not just because the unauthorized download is free, but because the authorized download doesn't workSep 05 11:52
oiaohmSince it makes tracing back to buyer who is putting stuff online illegally simpler.Sep 05 11:52
DaemonFCpeople don't see it as $10 for the legal copy, they see it as $10 that they may as well light on fireSep 05 11:53
DaemonFCoiaohm, What I don't understand is why Ubuntu is using the default GNOME layoutSep 05 11:56
DaemonFCthat layout is bizarre and totally alien to former Windows usersSep 05 11:56
DaemonFCI've always deleted the top panel and used gnome-main-menu like Suse doesSep 05 11:57
oiaohmYet highly frendly to past mac users DaemonFCSep 05 11:57
oiaohmLets just say Ubuntu has a few too many mac people.Sep 05 11:57
DaemonFCyeah, but how many of those are there?Sep 05 11:57
oiaohmGo the a Linux conf some time and play id the laptops.Sep 05 11:58
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090904/1203456111.shtml "You can almost forgive foreign reporters for not knowing that The Onion is satire, but it just reinforces how little fact checking the supposedly "professional" press does anywhere around the world."Sep 05 11:58
schestowitz*LOL*Sep 05 11:58
DaemonFCoiaohm, They did at least change a lot of the ubuntu-desktop's depends to recommendsSep 05 11:59
DaemonFCso you can get rid of crap you don't want without taking out the metapackageSep 05 11:59
oiaohmMono downgraded to recommends please.Sep 05 12:00
DaemonFCthe way they did have it set up was that if you removed practically anything that came on the LiveCD, you took out the metapackage tooSep 05 12:00
DaemonFCMono is a recommendsSep 05 12:00
oiaohmpulseaudio ?Sep 05 12:00
DaemonFCI removed it without disrupting ubuntu-desktopSep 05 12:00
DaemonFCI'll checkSep 05 12:00
oiaohmThose two are the two biggest pests.Sep 05 12:01
DaemonFCGnote is in there too nowSep 05 12:01
DaemonFCso I put that inSep 05 12:01
DaemonFCin the repo that is, Tomboy is still the defaultSep 05 12:01
DaemonFCoiaohm, Pulseaudio is still a dependsSep 05 12:01
schestowitz If You're A Musician Wondering Why No One's Giving You Money, Start Here... http://techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0425206108.shtmlSep 05 12:02
oiaohmBuggerSep 05 12:02
DaemonFCI was screaming at them about creating needless hard dependenciesSep 05 12:03
DaemonFCit makes the system very intimidating to people who want to customize itSep 05 12:03
DaemonFCbtw, I am on Karmic right now, after doctoring it up quite a bitSep 05 12:04
DaemonFCand all the horrible Intrepid and Jaunty bugs are pretty much historySep 05 12:04
DaemonFCit still has an odd crash of an app here and there, but it's still jsut an alphaSep 05 12:04
DaemonFCit's already better than JauntySep 05 12:04
oiaohmHave they fixed the package manager that you can search by application name and find something.Sep 05 12:05
DaemonFCyeahSep 05 12:05
DaemonFCit uses an indexSep 05 12:05
schestowitzClive Thompson on the New Literacy < http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-09/st_thompson >Sep 05 12:05
oiaohmUse to only use the description index.Sep 05 12:05
oiaohmWithout the name not all applications put there name in the description.Sep 05 12:05
DaemonFChttp://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3661/screenshotyc.pngSep 05 12:10
oiaohmhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0425206108.shtml  any one else can say E waste.Sep 05 12:11
DaemonFCOblivion's framerate has improved in Wine 1.1.29Sep 05 12:11
DaemonFCit's stabilized that it, viewing water or fire doesn't kill it nowSep 05 12:11
oiaohmDaemonFC: lot more to come in that department.Sep 05 12:12
DaemonFCthey're really pressing on with their Direct3d implementationSep 05 12:12
DaemonFC*that isSep 05 12:12
oiaohmYou have to partly thank vmware for some of the improvements.Sep 05 12:12
DaemonFCthe only reason I was toting Vista around anyway was because of SecuROMSep 05 12:12
DaemonFCwhen they put it in the installer, there's not much you can do about it if Wine can't handle itSep 05 12:13
oiaohmSecuRom was not that bad to get working.Sep 05 12:14
DaemonFCI'm one of those people that was dragged around on the Windows ride just because so many applications needed itSep 05 12:14
oiaohmPunk buster is still a night mare.Sep 05 12:14
DaemonFCbut with these latest Wine developments, my applications are working in Wine more and moreSep 05 12:15
oiaohmIt due to something DaemonFCSep 05 12:15
DaemonFCCrossover is serious about DirectX and games now because they have Crossover GamesSep 05 12:15
oiaohmhttp://test.winehq.org/data/  << This DaemonFCSep 05 12:15
DaemonFCthey used to only care of MS Office and a few other things installedSep 05 12:15
DaemonFC*ifSep 05 12:16
oiaohmWine is in the process of making a complete windows testing system.Sep 05 12:16
DaemonFCtheir failure rate is dropping 2-3% per releaseSep 05 12:17
DaemonFCwhich is pretty good actuallySep 05 12:17
oiaohmThat started from the release of 1.0 wine.Sep 05 12:17
oiaohmEver since the gap to windows has been closing since less regressions are sneeking in.Sep 05 12:18
DaemonFCas of July 7th, they had a 13.1% failure rate, and as of three days ago, the failure rate was 7.9%Sep 05 12:19
DaemonFCnearly cut in half in less than 2 monthsSep 05 12:19
oiaohmIt goes up and down a bit as well.Sep 05 12:19
oiaohmSo + or -4 when reading the percentage.Sep 05 12:19
DaemonFCI always perk up a bit when there's a new Wine release out and it has a ton of DirectX patchesSep 05 12:20
oiaohm166 warnings are still coming out the code.Sep 05 12:20
DaemonFCI keep refreshing the repositories every few hours til there's a package out :)Sep 05 12:20
oiaohmRemember warnings are only part stubs.Sep 05 12:21
oiaohmIts also nice to show people who say MS has a stable abi the test by wine.Sep 05 12:21
DaemonFCwell, it looks like they're failing Windows 7 tests right and leftSep 05 12:21
DaemonFCbut they have Vista and XP more or less under controlSep 05 12:21
oiaohmNoSep 05 12:22
oiaohmThat is the wine bench system running on Vista XP and Windows 7Sep 05 12:22
DaemonFCohSep 05 12:22
oiaohmIts a cross compare to windows.Sep 05 12:22
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trmancodangSep 05 12:23
trmancolost my op :|Sep 05 12:23
oiaohmWindows 7 looks nastly glitchy by wine bench DaemonFCSep 05 12:23
DaemonFCso this means what?Sep 05 12:26
DaemonFCWindows 7 itself is hackish?Sep 05 12:26
DaemonFCtheir test suite is bad?Sep 05 12:26
DaemonFCboth?Sep 05 12:26
oiaohmBit of both.Sep 05 12:26
oiaohmBasically the XP emulation in Windows 7 is going to be required to run older applications.Sep 05 12:27
DaemonFCI ran a bunch of old apps under Windows 7Sep 05 12:27
DaemonFCthe compatibility shims are good enough most of the timeSep 05 12:27
oiaohmThere are going to be areas where they are not.Sep 05 12:27
oiaohmThose platform tests they do test the shims as well.Sep 05 12:28
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schestowitzhttp://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/05/about-european-commission-in-depth-investigation-into-oracle-sun-merger/ Seems like another fool who does not know that mysql runs the WebSep 05 12:29
schestowitzPropagating FUD and not helping with the Commission. Meh.Sep 05 12:29
DaemonFCoiaohm, I have a stack of Windows software dating back about 16 years or soSep 05 12:31
DaemonFCand a stack of DOS software dating back over 20 yearsSep 05 12:32
DaemonFCso I've thrown some curveballs to see exactly what runs and what doesn'tSep 05 12:32
DaemonFCI think businesses have more to be afraid of than consumers this timeSep 05 12:32
oiaohmSo far you must have missed hitting the major changed points.Sep 05 12:32
DaemonFCwell, Windows 64-bit has no DOS or Windows 3.x compatibilitySep 05 12:33
oiaohmThat is something the wine bench system is handy for.Sep 05 12:33
DaemonFCso I could only go as far back as 95/NT4Sep 05 12:33
DaemonFCthe DOS stuff all runs on DOSboxSep 05 12:33
oiaohmLot of times you can basically scan exe's looking for particular functions.Sep 05 12:33
oiaohmThat the wine bench tells you have changed.Sep 05 12:34
oiaohmSo know in advance what programs might stuff up big time.Sep 05 12:34
DaemonFCoiaohm, right at the moment I'm preparing a war chest of anti-malware toolsSep 05 12:35
DaemonFCI have to work on my aunt's laptop, and my cousin's laptop todaySep 05 12:35
DaemonFCI've hunkering down expecting some next level shitSep 05 12:35
DaemonFCthey have Limewire and all kinds of stuff on thereSep 05 12:35
DaemonFCthey even still use AOL :PSep 05 12:35
oiaohmI have had some that antimalware tools dont' help.Sep 05 12:35
oiaohmBot infected.Sep 05 12:35
DaemonFCwe're all related to someone like that I'm sureSep 05 12:35
oiaohmAI bot of all things.Sep 05 12:36
DaemonFCoiaohm, I've got four antivirus CD images to hit them withSep 05 12:36
oiaohmIf it detects you it nukes the machine.Sep 05 12:36
DaemonFCthen I can get in and repair what's left with minimal resistance B-)Sep 05 12:36
DaemonFCsurgical strike followed by mopping up pockets of insurgencySep 05 12:37
DaemonFCyou might saySep 05 12:37
oiaohmBasically back up important data first.Sep 05 12:37
DaemonFCmeh, they can't stop me if Windows is not runningSep 05 12:37
DaemonFC:PSep 05 12:37
oiaohmOne I hit recently was in the windows filesystem drivers was it trap.Sep 05 12:37
schestowitzBut Windows is so intuitive and easy people don't need family and geeks fixing their computer, no? :-pSep 05 12:37
DaemonFCyeah, I'm also preparing to back up whatever I can and formatSep 05 12:37
DaemonFChope it doesn't come to that, but it maySep 05 12:38
oiaohmIf the other bits were removed it mill grade cleared the harddrive.Sep 05 12:38
oiaohmIn a transparent way.Sep 05 12:38
oiaohmQuite impressive really.Sep 05 12:38
oiaohmWindows appeared quite fine for a while.Sep 05 12:38
oiaohmOther than the fact it was no longer on the harddrive.Sep 05 12:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, trying to educate them does no good, I clear all the shit off of it and 6 months later, it's AOL, Limewire, and newer malwareSep 05 12:39
DaemonFC:DSep 05 12:39
oiaohmBasically back up first.Sep 05 12:39
DaemonFCmy aunt's workplace won't even allow you on their network without WindowsSep 05 12:39
oiaohmThen try to clean is the method you have to use.Sep 05 12:39
DaemonFCand they tell you that you *must* run an approved antivirusSep 05 12:39
DaemonFCwhich they're paying forSep 05 12:39
DaemonFCNorton, ickSep 05 12:39
oiaohmNortons comes for linux.Sep 05 12:40
DaemonFCrather, I'm paying forSep 05 12:40
DaemonFCthat's a state prisonSep 05 12:40
DaemonFCthey're using tax money to buy Windows and antivirus subscriptionsSep 05 12:40
schestowitzUS jobless rate climbs again in August http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/us_jobs_report_sep09/Sep 05 12:40
schestowitzAnd they said 'recession' was over.... fuh......Sep 05 12:40
DaemonFCschestowitz, No matter how deep the shit gets, they never run out of discretionary funds to tear up and repave perfectly good streetsSep 05 12:41
DaemonFCor to buy copies of Windows, MS Office, and Norton antivirusSep 05 12:41
DaemonFCthey just cut off important social services and raise utility pricesSep 05 12:41
DaemonFCno price is too high when I'm buying you knowSep 05 12:42
DaemonFC:)Sep 05 12:42
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Someone with some common sense apparently manages the IT at my brother's high schoolSep 05 12:43
DaemonFCI was poking around with one of the computers in his classroom and noticed they all run Red Hat Enterprise DesktopSep 05 12:43
DaemonFCyet the same town government uses Windows XP at the librarySep 05 12:43
schestowitzyeahSep 05 12:43
schestowitzsame hereSep 05 12:43
schestowitzred hatSep 05 12:43
oiaohmLinux is slowly bleeding into schools even here.Sep 05 12:44
DaemonFCschestowitz, I went to print something out from a Flash website and found that they had the XP systems so locked down I couldn't even install FlashSep 05 12:44
oiaohmMostly because it simple to keep clean of crap and stop students adding applications.Sep 05 12:44
DaemonFCso I ended up driving to the next town over to use their library and a Fedora workstationSep 05 12:44
schestowitzusually dual bootSep 05 12:45
oiaohmI have not found a Locked down XP I could not run my own applications on.Sep 05 12:45
DaemonFCI could do basically anything I wanted on the Fedora systemSep 05 12:45
DaemonFCdisposable account on a 60 minute timerSep 05 12:45
DaemonFCI even used Pidgin to instant message people while I was doing my researchSep 05 12:45
DaemonFCbut on the XP systems at the library here I can't even install a damned pluginSep 05 12:45
oiaohmMost likely installing and running thrid party applications would have been locked out DaemonFCSep 05 12:45
oiaohmWhat Linux can do without upsetting everything.Sep 05 12:46
DaemonFCoiaohm, the Fedora system let me do anything a normal user is allowed toSep 05 12:46
DaemonFCthe XP one was locked down so tight it was worthlessSep 05 12:46
oiaohmSo the did tight up the home folder.Sep 05 12:46
oiaohmIe no exec flag and selinux enforncing no exe.Sep 05 12:47
oiaohmSo you could not introduce malware.Sep 05 12:47
DaemonFCoiaohm, The Fedora system creates a disposable user account, and sets a 60 minute timerSep 05 12:47
DaemonFCwhen you're logged out, it deletes everythingSep 05 12:47
oiaohmDisposable account is a backup.Sep 05 12:47
oiaohmNormally Fedora Disposable account normally forbids applciations inside account.Sep 05 12:48
oiaohmSystem wide installed fine.Sep 05 12:48
DaemonFCwell it let me use installed applicationsSep 05 12:48
oiaohmWay Linux does it you don't notice you are locked down.Sep 05 12:48
DaemonFCand Flash was through SwfdecSep 05 12:48
oiaohmThose were trusted applications.Sep 05 12:49
oiaohmProblem with windows its too simple to install extra crap.Sep 05 12:49
DaemonFCwhatever they were I didn't feel handcuffed like I did on the XP system at our librarySep 05 12:49
oiaohmDue to the way its permission system is setup and stupid things like flash running as system.Sep 05 12:49
DaemonFCso yeah, I'm all for Linux on public terminalsSep 05 12:49
oiaohmNow why in you right mind does flash ever need to run as the highest user on the system.Sep 05 12:50
DaemonFCcause Windows is useless there anyway and they're spending my money to pay for itSep 05 12:50
oiaohmWindows secuirty is useless by default.Sep 05 12:50
oiaohmOnce you cut away everything that is wrong you have basically nothing.Sep 05 12:50
DaemonFCoiaohm, by the time they lock down Windows to where it can't be pwned with malwareSep 05 12:50
DaemonFCYOU can't do anything with it either :PSep 05 12:51
DaemonFCit's unreasonableSep 05 12:51
oiaohmCompared to Linux where most things follow good secuirty design fully locked down is still almost fully functional.Sep 05 12:51
oiaohmMost of the missing functionally people don't normally notice.Sep 05 12:51
oiaohmLike Ok I want to run a script to do this quick.  Bugger its a public terminal it forbin.Sep 05 12:51
MinceR"windows security" is a contradiction in terms. :>Sep 05 12:51
DaemonFCwhen I re-image the drives on my aunt's and cousin's systems, I'm going to use the security policy editor to blacklist AOL and LimewireSep 05 12:52
DaemonFChide Internet ExplorerSep 05 12:52
DaemonFCand put a copy of Firefox thereSep 05 12:52
DaemonFCif they don't figure that one out I doubt there will be another incidentSep 05 12:52
DaemonFC:DSep 05 12:52
oiaohmWill not stop them.Sep 05 12:52
oiaohmThey will just download another infected p2p like bear share.Sep 05 12:53
DaemonFCI could load up the hosts file to point to all those p2p sites as 127.0.0.1Sep 05 12:54
DaemonFC:)Sep 05 12:54
oiaohmJust hope they don't find some of the intergrated firefox tor tools.Sep 05 12:54
DaemonFCmaybe I'll just tell them that if they hose it with malware through IE, AOL, or p2p apps again, I refuse to deal with itSep 05 12:55
DaemonFCthis is getting oldSep 05 12:55
oiaohmOnly way that works DaemonFCSep 05 12:55
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oiaohmMore like next time I will bill you.Sep 05 12:55
oiaohmand when next times come you make it the machine or the bill.Sep 05 12:55
DaemonFCwell, they need to worry about their credt cards getting stolenSep 05 12:56
DaemonFCI know they shop online and I know I've removed keyloggers beforeSep 05 12:56
DaemonFCwouldn't surprise me if a thief cleans them out one of these days cause of thatSep 05 12:56
oiaohmHave you explained that to them.Sep 05 12:56
DaemonFC*creditSep 05 12:56
DaemonFCI've warned themSep 05 12:56
DaemonFCI don't think they got the messageSep 05 12:56
DaemonFChmmm, well, so far I'm liking Karmic, it has some rough edges, but Jaunty was just a catastropheSep 05 12:58
DaemonFCI had to build my own kernel for Jaunty just because theirs was so full of bugsSep 05 12:58
DaemonFCnow if they don't go and do something to ruin Karmic at the last second, it should be alrightSep 05 12:58
oiaohmHopefully they will fix gnome 3 before Karmic release.Sep 05 12:59
oiaohmThere is only 6 key bugs in it design.Sep 05 12:59
DaemonFCGNOME 3 should appear in Ubuntu 10.10Sep 05 12:59
DaemonFCright?Sep 05 13:00
oiaohmProblem is they are key.Sep 05 13:00
oiaohmThere will be a lot of change between now and Ubuntu 10.10Sep 05 13:00
DaemonFCthey got me hooked on Ubuntu in 2004 when they were really just an easy way to install DebianSep 05 13:00
DaemonFCsince then they've been hit or missSep 05 13:01
oiaohmAll the Linux world has been like that.Sep 05 13:01
oiaohmMajor clean up of code base has been under way.Sep 05 13:01
oiaohmDoing that is not without its pain.Sep 05 13:01
DaemonFCif I had to compare Ubuntu Jaunty to something I'd say it was like Linux VistaSep 05 13:01
DaemonFCjust due to all the major conflicts with everything I ownSep 05 13:02
oiaohmVista I could compare to Fedora core 5Sep 05 13:02
oiaohmldap nop Fedora core 5 it was like playing loto.Sep 05 13:02
oiaohmX11 maybe it would load.Sep 05 13:02
DaemonFCFedora has gotten far more friendly than it used to beSep 05 13:03
DaemonFCbut pretty much all of them haveSep 05 13:03
oiaohmAfter many hours of head bashing you work out the complete thing had been build with a defective complier.Sep 05 13:03
oiaohmMaking the complete package base a game of loto.Sep 05 13:03
DaemonFCa lot of that is just Linux and a lot of other packages maturing, the rest is things like LiveCDs taking offSep 05 13:03
oiaohmBy Ubuntu 10.10 the real-time tree should be merged.Sep 05 13:04
DaemonFCI had Knoppix as my installed system for quite some time before UbuntuSep 05 13:04
DaemonFCeven though you were discouraged from doing itSep 05 13:04
oiaohmMulti video card support could be in Karmic.Sep 05 13:05
oiaohmMulti vga video card support.Sep 05 13:05
DaemonFCoiaohm, a lot of it already isSep 05 13:05
oiaohmIf they update Karmic X11.Sep 05 13:05
oiaohmBetter memory management.Sep 05 13:05
DaemonFCover the last 10 kernel releases, applying the real time patches has had less and less effectSep 05 13:05
oiaohmHopefully lto gcc.Sep 05 13:05
DaemonFCon 2.6.31, it hardly makes a differenceSep 05 13:05
DaemonFCbut on 2.6.20, it was night and daySep 05 13:06
DaemonFCit's cause more and more of that stuff is making its way into the kernel even without those settings specifiedSep 05 13:06
oiaohmYou would notice the audio play back difference as more and more of the real-time tree merged.Sep 05 13:06
oiaohmMore it merged less breakups there are.Sep 05 13:07
oiaohmcuse support by the time ubuntu 10.10 comes out we might have a stack of different closed source drivers for Linux.Sep 05 13:07
DaemonFCa closed source driver is preferable to hardware that won't work at allSep 05 13:10
oiaohmLinux kernel is getting more hybred micro kernel monolithic.Sep 05 13:12
oiaohmBoth kinds of drivers usable.Sep 05 13:12
schestowitzMicrosoft laying off 27 employees in Redmond and Bellevue http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2009801373_microsoftlayingoff27employeesinredmondandbellevue.html?syndication=rssSep 05 13:14
schestowitz"Update 2:59 p.m.: Microsoft spokesman Lou Gellos saidthe company is making cuts across the country, but he did not elaborate on how many more jobs in the U.S. were affected."Sep 05 13:15
schestowitzAxeman cometh: Microsoft lays off 27 staff vSep 05 13:15
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/microsoft_27_redmond_bellevue_layoffs/Sep 05 13:15
schestowitzFaux Facebook 'friend' takes US woman for $4,000 < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/facebook_friend_in_peril_scam/ >Sep 05 13:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, a woman my mom works with was fired over posting something on FacebookSep 05 13:17
DaemonFCI really can't go into specifics because of obvious reasons, but I would have given the woman a write up for it at the very mostSep 05 13:18
DaemonFCyou have to watch out with those sitesSep 05 13:18
oiaohmHow long MS can keep on making cuts for.Sep 05 13:19
oiaohmSooner or latter they have to run out of staffSep 05 13:19
DaemonFCit said they still have 92,000 left worldwideSep 05 13:19
oiaohmNow that would be a fun counterSep 05 13:19
DaemonFCit also doesn't say how many "contractors" they haveSep 05 13:19
DaemonFCthey like to fire employees and get "contractors" to stiff them on their health insurance and other benefitsSep 05 13:20
DaemonFCwouldn't surprise me if those 27 employees are being fired to make room for 27 'contract temps"Sep 05 13:21
oiaohmDoes not pay long term.Sep 05 13:22
oiaohmContractors are not the best secret keepers.Sep 05 13:22
DaemonFCit is if you give them tidbits of unimportant workSep 05 13:23
DaemonFCI think there are very few individuals who have seen or even had access to anything close to all of the Windows source codeSep 05 13:24
DaemonFCas long as each team is only given what they need to work with, the secret staysSep 05 13:24
oiaohmThe problem here there is less and less secret about windows.Sep 05 13:30
oiaohmNothing stays secrect for ever.Sep 05 13:30
schestowitzIt doesnt' say which divs those 27 work inSep 05 13:30
schestowitzMight be interesting to see where Microsoft cuts downSep 05 13:31
schestowitzNot location of facilitiesSep 05 13:31
schestowitzIt says too littleSep 05 13:31
schestowitzEsp. if done in SeattleSep 05 13:31
schestowitzBut they say there's moreSep 05 13:31
schestowitzStates-wideSep 05 13:31
DaemonFCthe world is pretty uniformly covered with smart peopleSep 05 13:32
DaemonFCthey don't have a patent on thatSep 05 13:32
DaemonFCit must really put a bug up their ass that Linux is getting more and more developers while they're having to stretch what they have or fire peopleSep 05 13:33
schestowitzHmmmmmm..... look who's on twitter http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/3766695704Sep 05 13:34
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/kdawsonSep 05 13:34
oiaohmLinux is getting more and more full time paid developers DaemonFCSep 05 13:35
oiaohmThat is what is pissing MS off.Sep 05 13:35
DaemonFChmmmm, notify-osd is growing on meSep 05 13:36
DaemonFCI don't think that indicator applet is going anywhereSep 05 13:36
DaemonFCthey should really ditch that thingSep 05 13:36
taconethey don't hear from that ear.Sep 05 13:38
taconeyou make them notice they just say you're resisting the change.Sep 05 13:38
taconeI had a good idea on how to replace that applet but I won't waste my time creating a mockup.Sep 05 13:39
taconei don't think they'll listen.Sep 05 13:39
DaemonFCremoving it from the tray and telling Pidgin to use it's tray icon there worksSep 05 13:40
DaemonFCoh well :PSep 05 13:40
taconeyes that works.Sep 05 13:40
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schestowitzhttp://www.chinahush.com/2009/08/29/american-youth-vs-chinese-fenqing/Sep 05 13:49
schestowitz*LOL* http://netzpolitik.org/2009/ursula-von-der-leyen-plakat-remix-wettbewerb/Sep 05 14:01
schestowitzhttp://netzpolitik.org/2009/die-gewinner-des-schaeuble-plakat-remix-wettbewerb/Sep 05 14:02
schestowitzIs Europe in the midst of a baby boom? http://www.euractiv.com/en/socialeuropeSep 05 14:03
DaemonFCChris Pirillo-land is having some downtimeSep 05 14:04
DaemonFCof course it was never a planned outage when you have to push Microsoft for a livingSep 05 14:04
DaemonFCit's scheduled maintenanceSep 05 14:04
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schestowitzhttp://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/03/creately-releases-its-simple-diagramming-and-design-tool-to-the-masses/Sep 05 14:06
schestowitzscheduled. Heh.Sep 05 14:06
schestowitzI have a scheduled illness next week on WednesdaySep 05 14:07
schestowitzNothing wrong with my healthSep 05 14:07
schestowitzWhy/Sep 05 14:07
schestowitz?Sep 05 14:07
schestowitzBecause it's scheduledSep 05 14:07
schestowitzJust stop counting or stop the stopwatch or whatever if you count downtimesSep 05 14:07
schestowitzBecause it's "scheduled"... like "sacred"Sep 05 14:08
schestowitzOpenSUSE has scheduled downtime for one day next weekSep 05 14:08
schestowitzSomething to do with DC powerSep 05 14:08
oiaohmScheduled maintenance comes from the Unix world DaemonFCSep 05 14:10
oiaohmWere reboots could take hours.Sep 05 14:10
DaemonFCnow the monthly defrag takes hoursSep 05 14:11
DaemonFC:DSep 05 14:11
oiaohmYou don't want to see what the boot and sync time is on a 16000 + core system.Sep 05 14:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Sony says "Thanks but no thanks" to #microsoft Internet Explorer? http://tinyurl.com/lwj9ou #ie #windows #vista #xp #chromeSep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Writing an article on emulation of the #Nintendo family of consoles on #Linux #foss #emulationSep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently seeding: Linux Mint 7 - Glora http://linuxtracker.org #linux #foss #mintSep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Linux users follow @BrokenWindows_ a new cause in highlighting that PC does not mean Microsoft! #windows #vista #xp #linux #foss #microsoftSep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another new campaign in favor of Linux/FOSS http://tinyurl.com/nq64gs #linux #windows #xp #foss #microsoftSep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Hmm what to do today? Probably help around the house then watch Smackdown later tonight....Sep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another "blogger" who seeks to suggest what people who dont want MONO think. http://tinyurl.com/lz336k #microsoft #linux #mono #fossSep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Didn't think Gloria shipped with Tomboy.....have to remove that off the installation I am doing a friend... #mono #linux #foss #novellSep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.Sep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Doing a little clearout, 'found' an HP e-Vectra PIII/800MHz/256MB/10G running Ubuntu Edgy. Last booted 3 years ago. Works perfectly :)Sep 05 14:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bom dia!Sep 05 14:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] German boffins invent steel Velcro http://ping.fm/IqfkrSep 05 14:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft is quietly laying off more staff http://ping.fm/7oYqD http://ping.fm/eUxhcSep 05 14:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] It's times like these (updating an old machine from edgy to jaunty) that I love my Virgin Media 20Mb/s broadband \o/ 2420KB/sSep 05 14:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Global #coral #reefs are being destroyed by man-made climate change. http://ping.fm/hGx3SSep 05 14:14
schestowitzThe US freezes on climate change < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/02/senate-climate-bill-delayed-copenhagen >Sep 05 14:14
schestowitzA Casualty of the Technology Revolution: ‘Locational Privacy’ < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/opinion/01tue4.html?_r=3&scp=2&sq=Adam%20Cohen&st=cse >Sep 05 14:14
schestowitzI hadn't notices that twitfolk was downSep 05 14:14
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/facebook-post-results-in-police-officer-resignation/?cs=35561 (Facebook Post Results in Police Officer Resignation)Sep 05 14:15
DaemonFCover posting that he thought he should be allowed to arrest people for being stupid?Sep 05 14:20
DaemonFCthat's pretty lameSep 05 14:20
oiaohmInteresting one going on with debian aptitude is getting a graphical front end and they are working on a qt package manager as well.Sep 05 14:20
DaemonFCyou deal with stupid people every daySep 05 14:20
oiaohmMostly because they don't like the path package kit is going.Sep 05 14:20
DaemonFChe finally makes an off the cuff remark about it and all of a sudden he has to resign?Sep 05 14:20
schestowitzHere is a nice new article about a success story for GNU/Linux at law firms.  http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/pubArticleLT.jsp?id=1202433585325&Commentary_Linux_at_LawSep 05 14:34
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Willschestowitz : another study done one game console reliability, this time from a company that handles warranties:Sep 05 14:48
Willhttp://www.squaretrade.com/pages/xbox360-ps3-wii-reliability-08-2009/Sep 05 14:48
WillThis one has a much larger sample size that the previous "360 54% failure rate" one.Sep 05 14:51
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WillTheir numbers are a little kinder to the 360 than the previous study, but the 360 still leads the pack in hardware problems by a comfortable margin.Sep 05 14:52
WillProving once again that Microsoft is the world's leading innovator of fail. ;>Sep 05 14:53
ThistleWebMS do lead the table in some areas on genuine merit, they're not the tables they want to lead though. They have an almost monopoly on malware compatibilitySep 05 14:53
WillThistleWeb:  true.  Wine probably still has a lot of catchup to do in that area.Sep 05 14:55
ThistleWebI do see more and more frequent reports about exploits in flash being an avenue for malware writers, which affects all of usSep 05 14:56
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ThistleWebwhich only doubles the risk if you run flash on windowsSep 05 14:56
WillI'm still waiting on an open standard that replaces flash.  Especially since Adobe basically phones it in on their Mac and Linux ports.Sep 05 14:57
WillI saw the Best Buy stuff.  Very interesting.  Just how scared is MS, anyway?Sep 05 14:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @cenourinha: Vote for NOBODY! http://is.gd/2V4PWSep 05 15:00
WillI mean, here is MS training store employees to talk customers into not buying something that Best Buy doesn't even offer.Sep 05 15:00
EruaranIts perception managementSep 05 15:01
WillEruaran:  yeah, well, it's working, though maybe not always as MS intended.  I showed the training session to a few people that I introduced to Linux.  They've been using it for a few months.  Enough to see the lies throughout the slides.  Opened a few eyes about the way MS does business.Sep 05 15:03
EruaranYes, I think as those pictures spread it will backfire.Sep 05 15:04
twitter1burning cash and in debt scared ->  Will: I saw the Best Buy stuff.  Very interesting.  Just how scared is MS, anyway?Sep 05 15:04
twitter1firing 10,000 employees and canceling the picnic scared, gotta keep the executive bonuses high.Sep 05 15:05
twitter1me too.  help me Slashdot it. -> Eruaran: Yes, I think as those pictures spread it will backfire.Sep 05 15:05
twitter1http://slashdot.org/submission/1066943/Ms-Anti-Linux-Training-at-Best-BuySep 05 15:06
WillThe "upgrades" slide was my favorite.  After I show people Linux, one of the things the new users often praise about it is how easy system upgrades are and how they never trash the system like MS upgrades sometimes do.Sep 05 15:07
WillMan, that brings back a few XP memories:  "Please don't let this Windows Update force me to reinstall the OS for the third time this year"Sep 05 15:08
WillI think I have to reformat a hard drive at least 6 times over 4 years due solely to a Windows Update that mangled the OS.Sep 05 15:09
twitter1the Linux at Law story is popular or DDoS'dSep 05 15:09
Wills/have/had/Sep 05 15:09
schestowitzWill: thanksSep 05 15:10
schestowitzI saw some other studiesSep 05 15:10
schestowitzI think it rests the caseSep 05 15:10
schestowitzSome day 67%Sep 05 15:10
schestowitzSome say 30%+Sep 05 15:10
schestowitz2007 ones said the sameSep 05 15:10
EruaranOne point of interest on those Best Buy pictures was what Microsoft put at the bottom of the screen as their sourcesSep 05 15:10
schestowitzMicrosoft is not denying it anymoreSep 05 15:10
Eruaran"linux.org and Windows Compatability Centre" (pic 3)Sep 05 15:11
schestowitzMaybe I should make posts todaySep 05 15:11
schestowitzTo wipe off the Novell-apathetic stuffSep 05 15:11
schestowitzMicrosoft has layoffsSep 05 15:11
schestowitzMore of an indication that they can't rebound, not even with another Vista (V7)Sep 05 15:11
schestowitzEruaran: linux.org is WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLL out of dateSep 05 15:12
Eruaranschestowitz: indeed... Furthermore I could find no connection between linux.org and Microsoft's claimsSep 05 15:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Preparations for Sams 3rd b'day party tomorrow. Bouncy castle and giant jenga arriving later. I won't know which to play with/on first!Sep 05 15:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Of course I mean - _Sam_ won't know which to play with/on first of course .. ;)Sep 05 15:13
EruaranHere in Australia, you can wind up in court for that sort of thing.Sep 05 15:13
EruaranAustralian Four Corners dissappointsSep 05 15:14
EruaranToo gutless to go after MicrosoftSep 05 15:14
schestowitzSave time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 < http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=904 >Sep 05 15:18
ThistleWebare the delta RPMs the ones that work out which parts have changed and only download those parts, instead of the whole thing?Sep 05 15:18
schestowitzThey should have used kernel.org as a refrenceSep 05 15:18
schestowitzNot linux.orgSep 05 15:19
schestowitzIt's old.. might as well use linsuxxxx.org as refSep 05 15:19
schestowitzThistleWeb: yesSep 05 15:19
twitter1ugh.  Seek out and report dissidents, please ->  This summer 12 American youth came to China. One of their study-aboard missions was to research on China’s “Fenqing”Sep 05 15:19
ThistleWebthought so, I was impressed with that concept when I heard about it, I can see every distro adapting that tech into their stuff eventuallySep 05 15:20
ThistleWebas usual Fedora bringing more stuff to the tableSep 05 15:20
schestowitzShould import some of these down to Aussie... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10320742-62.htmlSep 05 15:21
schestowitzFedora=Red Hat programmer+othersSep 05 15:22
schestowitzSo it's basically non-kernel Red Hat engsSep 05 15:22
schestowitzSet up your new Ubuntu Server as a Samba Server < http://www.ghacks.net/2009/09/04/set-up-your-new-ubuntu-server-as-a-samba-server/ >Sep 05 15:24
Willschestowitz: one thing about the SquareTrade study: They admit a possibilty that there might be some underreporting of 360 failures, since many people probably work through Microsoft's RROD warranty and bypass reporting to SquareTrade.Sep 05 15:24
schestowitzWill: it's new from last week AFAIKSep 05 15:27
schestowitzMonday-ishSep 05 15:27
schestowitzSkype Security and Spam Updates http://blogs.eweek.com/signaling_it/content001/security/skype_security_and_spam_updates.htmlSep 05 15:30
twitter1Why do people use Samba?Sep 05 15:30
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twitter1Hmph.  "Skype" problems are really just Windows problems.  That figures.Sep 05 15:33
ThistleWebif you need a shared server which has to serve windows and linux boxes, samba seems by far the best solutionSep 05 15:34
schestowitzNASA orbiter snaps Apollo 12 landing site < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/apollo_12_site/ >Sep 05 15:34
twitter1I got a single burst of spam invites shortly after my wife started talking to Windows using relatives.  Nothing more happened.Sep 05 15:34
twitter1But M$ has a slog against Skype, so you can expect more "security" stories about it.Sep 05 15:35
schestowitzCommunication ServerSep 05 15:35
schestowitzWith the implosion of Nortel, that too may passSep 05 15:35
schestowitzCompromised Computers Host an Average of 3 Malware Families http://securitywatch.eweek.com/online_malware/compromised_computers_play_host_an_average_of_3_malware_families.htmlSep 05 15:36
schestowitzWhat is co.th?Sep 05 15:37
schestowitzth suffix..Sep 05 15:38
ThistleWebthailand?Sep 05 15:38
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schestowitzOh yeahSep 05 15:38
ThistleWeboh .co.thSep 05 15:38
schestowitzcommercial thailand I guessSep 05 15:39
ThistleWebwell, it may beSep 05 15:39
ThistleWebcant think of any other country with thSep 05 15:40
schestowitzI have a table in my bookm arksSep 05 15:42
schestowitzBut it's out of date (2002)Sep 05 15:42
schestowitzhttp://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/domains.htmlSep 05 15:43
Willjust checked.  th = thailandSep 05 15:43
ThistleWebI know some states have their own domainsSep 05 15:43
ThistleWebthats what made me second guess thailandSep 05 15:43
ThistleWebah well, I guessed right lolSep 05 15:43
Willhttp://www.web-l.com/country-codes/Sep 05 15:43
schestowitzhttp://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/get_by_category/6/220Sep 05 15:43
schestowitzWeird... missingSep 05 15:43
schestowitzThanks, Will Sep 05 15:44
schestowitzOracle, MySQL Not Competitors, Says Ingres CEO < http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/database/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219501280 >Sep 05 15:45
schestowitzNow, isn't that an odd claim...Sep 05 15:45
schestowitzhttp://www.casualgaming.biz/news/29147/Hardkernal-unveils-Adroid-open-source-handheld "A new open source Android gaming device has emerged, called the Odroid. Created by Hardkernal, the system is built around the same core technology that the iPhone 3GS uses."Sep 05 15:47
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twitter1The Skype response to the recent "skype trojan" news is worth reading.  http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2009/09/a_little_bit_about_trojanpesky.htmlSep 05 15:54
twitter1Yes, it really was all a windows problem.Sep 05 15:54
twitter1not that you can trust non free software to protect your privacy, but blaming them for W32 issues is not fair.Sep 05 15:54
twitter1http://blogs.eweek.com/signaling_it/content001/security/skype_security_and_spam_updates.html#commentsSep 05 15:55
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Willwhat's the current situation with skype and linux?  I've had problems getting it work with the sound system, but then I am running an older distro.Sep 05 16:02
WillI'll probably upgrade this fall.  Might as well get ext4 and grub2 in play.Sep 05 16:03
twitter1I've had the same problem with sound on my EEE PC and Lenny.Sep 05 16:03
twitter1the 2.1 beta, which boasts better ALSA, did not fix this.Sep 05 16:04
twitter1an external microphone might.Sep 05 16:04
schestowitzPart of a new FUD theme: The computer helper: The downside of free < http://eyugoslavia.com/featured/04/the-computer-helper-the-downside-of-free-2210912/ >Sep 05 16:04
twitter1putting 2.0 Skype on my 701 SD also bombed power management.Sep 05 16:04
schestowitzLast week it was Microsoft and Enderle emitting such FUDSep 05 16:04
schestowitzFree=danbgerousSep 05 16:04
twitter1That is an old theme.  See begware and other crap on Windows.Sep 05 16:05
twitter1The problems the above author reports are all Windows problems.Sep 05 16:07
twitter1Skype worked out of the box on the EEE PC, but Asus has changed hardware and dragged their feet with GNU compliance, so it is difficult to tell if Asus or Skype are responsible for my problems on Lenny.Sep 05 16:09
twitter1Non free software sucks like that.Sep 05 16:09
ThistleWebI've had no issues with skype on linux as far as sound is concerned, I've not tried video thoughSep 05 16:09
WillOh, yeah.  So I had a chance to play around with a mac recently.  It's certainly shiny.  Does its job reliably.  But it hides a lot from the user.  And if you have to go outside the apps Apple expects you want to run, things can get hairy, relative to Linux anyway.Sep 05 16:10
ThistleWebit does have days where it drops the call on a regular basis though, or sounds like a radio going through a tunnelSep 05 16:10
ThistleWebmost days it works as you'd expect thoughSep 05 16:10
ThistleWebI can't figure out the difference in user terms between the static and normla skype in the ubuntu reposSep 05 16:13
ThistleWebone is built from static qt libraries I thinkSep 05 16:13
ThistleWebbut use wise, they both look, seel and act the same to meSep 05 16:13
ThistleWebfeel*Sep 05 16:13
Willschestowitz: it seems like that article is about "freeware" more than "open source."  It doesn't really spend much time on opensource, and then still in the context of a non-free OS.Sep 05 16:15
WillUnless it's just trying to muddle the difference between freeware and opensource.Sep 05 16:15
WillThistleWeb: as much as I'd like to bash skype about Linux, and I'm sure they have some responsibility here, it would be good for the Linux sound system changes that have been going on for the past two years to settle down.Sep 05 16:17
twitter1my eyugoslavia.com comment is awaiting moderationSep 05 16:17
twitter1->  Your comment is awaiting moderation.                                 The “free” software problems you describe are mostly Windows problems.  Trust in your source is key but so is software freedom.  GNU/Linux distributions have overcome these problems and are themselves each trusted, independent reviewers of the software they distribute.  Every test you can do with non free software can also be done for free software, but hSep 05 16:17
twitter1I wonder if it will ever see the light of day.Sep 05 16:17
ThistleWebit is freeware but closed source, so all distros are reliant on the binary skyoe gives them, so yesSep 05 16:18
WillI'm not adamantly opposed to closed source on top of Linux when there is a good case for it, but even then, only if the binary provider takes responsibilty to keep up with open source software developments *coughNvidiaPlymouthcough*Sep 05 16:19
twitter1Oh please, Will -> it would be good for the Linux sound system changes that have been going on for the past two years to settle down.Sep 05 16:19
Will(not that I think Nvidia has a good case for it)Sep 05 16:19
twitter1free software distributions work very well with Linux sound.Sep 05 16:20
twitter1the move from to ALSA was a good one, because the ALSA people brought in a lot of good free software driversSep 05 16:21
ThistleWebhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8236626.stm  <<more BBC freeware tips, no mention of Linux at allSep 05 16:21
Willtwitter1: hey, I don't know.  I chilling here with Alsa (which works perfectly, btw), but I keep hearing people say PulseAudio eats babies.  Haven't seen that myself, but I'm waiting for it to calm down.Sep 05 16:21
twitter1People like DeamonFC say that.Sep 05 16:21
twitter1You won't see unstable stuff in reasonable distributions.Sep 05 16:22
ThistleWebfree apps like skypeSep 05 16:22
schestowitzTHey mix the two typesSep 05 16:22
schestowitzThrowing FOSS in Freeware categorySep 05 16:23
twitter1Windows users make this mistake a lot.Sep 05 16:23
schestowitzAs if FOSS will one day come up with prompt demanding moneySep 05 16:23
Willtwitter1: well, that's why I think part of it might be skype.  When free software does make changes and improvements to subsystems, closed binaries sometimes drag their feet in keeping up with the change.Sep 05 16:23
schestowitzWindows users are cheap (or poor)Sep 05 16:23
schestowitzSo they think free software means cheapSep 05 16:23
schestowitzFree research means something elseSep 05 16:24
schestowitzEocnomy of sharingSep 05 16:24
twitter1Free software is cheaper than WindowsSep 05 16:24
Willschestowitz: or they think free software means ... arr!!!Sep 05 16:24
schestowitzWhere people share ideas in cosortiaSep 05 16:24
schestowitzNow 'trade' ideas with 'IP' dealsSep 05 16:24
twitter1there's lots of propaganda that leads to the confusionSep 05 16:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me is still loving KDE, does not regret the change :D !kde #kdeSep 05 16:25
twitter1it starts with "commercial quality"Sep 05 16:25
schestowitzFirst Sale - Davidson v. Internet Gateway http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009090111072988Sep 05 16:25
schestowitz"You won't find it there. Why not instead use and develop Free and Open Source software, where you are free of such things as EULAs? No. Seriously. Why not? If you want freedom, stay away from proprietary software and you've solved all your EULA troubles. GPL code has no EULA."Sep 05 16:25
ThistleWebthat article does at least mention wordpressSep 05 16:25
twitter1people's misunderstanding of the free software economy is not a matter of cheapness, it's simply ignorance.Sep 05 16:26
ThistleWebbut it's still mixing stuff wronglySep 05 16:26
ThistleWebthey also "forget" to mention peeps could save money by ditching windows in favour of linuxSep 05 16:27
Willtwitter1: took the words out of my fingers.  Windows users don't use Windows because they are cheap.  They use it because they don't know any better.Sep 05 16:27
ThistleWebalthough, the peeps who are gonna be reading that article won't have the skills to install an OSSep 05 16:27
WillAnd most people see not having to purchase more boxes of shrinkwrapped applications as a feature, not a bug.Sep 05 16:27
schestowitzHere are your 'friends', lads. http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Source/Feature/Open-Source-is-our-next-level-Microsoft/3909124501/0/Sep 05 16:27
schestowitzThese *Are* your friendsSep 05 16:28
schestowitzNow play nice with themSep 05 16:28
schestowitzShare the toysSep 05 16:28
twitter1sometimes their hardware is sabotaged too, but that too is blamed on free software out of ignoranceSep 05 16:28
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Willspeaking of hardware sabotage, did you know Macs won't boot from USB sticks?Sep 05 16:30
schestowitzThey even want to simplify the patent system for you... making those 'innovation incentives' global and make available to you some 'peace of mind distros' like SUSE so that you don't get sued...Sep 05 16:30
schestowitzMacs do very littleSep 05 16:30
schestowitzAPplianceSep 05 16:30
schestowitzSuits their target audience usuallSep 05 16:31
twitter1no, I did not know that about Mac.  Do they boot from firewire?Sep 05 16:31
Willtwitter1: didn't trySep 05 16:31
Diablo-D3http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/_faf_IlSZCE/Mozilla-To-Protect-Adobe-Flash-UsersSep 05 16:31
ThistleWebis it just me, or does that http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Source/Feature/Open-Source-is-our-next-level-Microsoft/3909124501/0/ link keep refreshing every 10 secs or so?Sep 05 16:31
WillfirewireSep 05 16:31
ThistleWebI wonder if every refresh counts as another hitSep 05 16:31
ThistleWebwouldn't be like MS to try and game the stats eh? lolSep 05 16:32
twitter1the M$ world seems to hate and thwart firewireSep 05 16:32
twitter1but firewire was better all alongSep 05 16:32
schestowitzThe open source feeds are clogged up with noise.......... http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/09/04/backup-your-browser-email-and-im-apps-with-mailbrowserbackup/Sep 05 16:32
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twitter1You can find external optical and hard drives for firewire.  I have never seen a firewire "jump drive"Sep 05 16:32
schestowitzThistleWeb: it doesSep 05 16:32
schestowitzCIOL is a very, very JUNK siteSep 05 16:32
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schestowitzThey also take press release, edit a bit and repost as 'aritcles'Sep 05 16:33
schestowitzIt's a trash siteSep 05 16:33
schestowitzI had to check twice to see if it was a real interviewSep 05 16:33
_Hicham_schestowitz : did u see the log of last night ?Sep 05 16:33
schestowitzTMCNet is also similarSep 05 16:33
Willschestowitz: I don't want to badmouth Apple too much about their hardware (excellent) or their software (solid, if a bit constricting compared to FOSS), but I can't help but think that Apple sales would take a quite a hit if more people knew about Linux.Sep 05 16:33
Will(Apple's attitudes, though, are fair game with me)Sep 05 16:33
schestowitzThistleWeb: auto0-refresh is common in India sitesSep 05 16:34
schestowitzThat's the impression I've been getting anywaySep 05 16:34
ThistleWebkSep 05 16:34
schestowitzAnd it uses metatagsSep 05 16:34
schestowitzCause I have JS disabledSep 05 16:34
schestowitzIt's very annoyingSep 05 16:34
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schestowitzit's distracting when working with tabsSep 05 16:34
schestowitzUSB3>FirewireSep 05 16:34
ThistleWebI have noscript too, allowing none of them and it's still refreshingSep 05 16:34
ThistleWebfor no reason I can seeSep 05 16:35
schestowitz_Hicham_: yes, I posted itSep 05 16:35
ThistleWebother than adding another hit to the statsSep 05 16:35
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schestowitzThistleWeb: track duration of visitSep 05 16:35
schestowitzUnder many assumptionSep 05 16:35
schestowitzAlso changing adsSep 05 16:35
ThistleWebmaybeSep 05 16:35
schestowitzThat's why paging is doneSep 05 16:35
schestowitzI hate pagingSep 05 16:35
schestowitzPagination is a design flawSep 05 16:36
schestowitzEmulating limitation of paperSep 05 16:36
ThistleWebI dont see any ads, but plenty of blocked stuffSep 05 16:36
ThistleWeblolSep 05 16:36
schestowitzYEahSep 05 16:36
_Hicham_schestowitz : do u know that rick_james ?Sep 05 16:36
twitter1You can limit what you present in a "web page" like most reasonable sites do.Sep 05 16:36
schestowitz_Hicham_: no, probably some vandalSep 05 16:37
schestowitzn=rickjame@24-107-56-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.comSep 05 16:37
_Hicham_schestowitz : there should a permanent op in hereSep 05 16:37
schestowitzI forgot to leave aware opsSep 05 16:37
twitter1he's rick james, female dogs!Sep 05 16:37
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schestowitzbblSep 05 16:38
twitter1laterSep 05 16:38
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Willcheck out this link:Sep 05 16:57
Willhttp://www.houseparty.com/splash/windows7usaSep 05 16:57
Willwhen have you ever seen anyone make that kind of facial expression when using Windows?Sep 05 16:57
WillI've seen that when showing off Compiz before.Sep 05 16:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Anyone going to host a Vista 7 party? LOL.... Can just picture the scene..."Lets BSOD like its 1999" #microsoft #windows #linux #failSep 05 17:03
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twitter1Never.  It's an ad.  They are not actually using Windows -> Will: when have you ever seen anyone make that kind of facial expression when using Windows?Sep 05 17:30
twitter1Knowing M$, they are probably looking at some kind of vile porn.Sep 05 17:30
twitter1or a dollar bill.Sep 05 17:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Installing Ubuntu 9.10 on a PIII 800MHz \o/Sep 05 17:46
_Hicham_popey : u here ?Sep 05 17:47
popey_Hicham_: yesSep 05 18:09
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*schestowitz listens to http://cdn2.libsyn.com/linuxoutlaws/linuxoutlaws109.ogg?nvb=20090905180636&nva=20090906181636&t=0160c443251a9ce49d643 (linuxoutlaws)Sep 05 19:08
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_Hicham_schestowitz is a known outlawSep 05 19:14
schestowitzWhose law?Sep 05 19:18
schestowitzQatar?Sep 05 19:18
schestowitz:-Sep 05 19:18
schestowitz:-pSep 05 19:18
schestowitz_Hicham_: it's nice how FF 3.5 handles oggSep 05 19:19
schestowitzI don't need a media playerSep 05 19:19
schestowitzNot even FlashSep 05 19:19
schestowitzopen in new tab and off it goes streamingSep 05 19:19
schestowitzIt's a delightSep 05 19:19
_Hicham_did u move to a newer mandriva ?Sep 05 19:19
schestowitzNot yetSep 05 19:19
_Hicham_or is it just firefox 3.5 binaries from mozilla ?Sep 05 19:20
schestowitzWel...Sep 05 19:20
schestowitzI downloaded it from MoxSep 05 19:20
schestowitz*MozillaSep 05 19:20
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schestowitzMandriva 2008.1 does not use ff3.5 yet, so I needed to get past the updatesSep 05 19:21
schestowitzMadriva does not ship Flash updates eitherSep 05 19:21
_Hicham_why not move to a newer mandriva ?Sep 05 19:22
schestowitzWe need Flash assassinsSep 05 19:22
_Hicham_are u using it as a server ?Sep 05 19:22
schestowitzFlash doesn't do ANYTHING particial that Ogg can't doSep 05 19:22
schestowitzI don't need flying rectanglesSep 05 19:22
schestowitzNobody doesSep 05 19:22
schestowitzAnd SVG+JS can achieve thatSep 05 19:22
_Hicham_trueSep 05 19:23
schestowitzIf only Mafiasoft supported SVGSep 05 19:23
schestowitzGoogle will force themSep 05 19:23
schestowitzSVG Trojan for MSIESep 05 19:23
_Hicham_they will support it sooner or laterSep 05 19:23
schestowitzWe'll seeSep 05 19:23
schestowitztimbl put ms in the working group of html5Sep 05 19:23
_Hicham_Dailymotion already started offering ogg based videosSep 05 19:23
schestowitzhe also told ms off for svg attitudeSep 05 19:23
schestowitzbn does a lot of oggSep 05 19:24
_Hicham_http://openvideo.dailymotion.comSep 05 19:24
schestowitzPeople do the anti-IE6 sitesSep 05 19:24
_Hicham_that is where u can put safely ur videosSep 05 19:24
schestowitzWhich is worthy as a causeSep 05 19:24
schestowitzBUTSep 05 19:24
schestowitzWe need SVG sitesSep 05 19:24
schestowitzForcing them to support it or lose customersSep 05 19:24
schestowitzOgg has the PlayOgg Web siteSep 05 19:24
_Hicham_yes, currently Mozilla is the only one to support svgSep 05 19:24
schestowitzNopeSep 05 19:25
schestowitzOthers do tooSep 05 19:25
schestowitzIE doesn'tSep 05 19:25
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SvgSep 05 19:25
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg#Native_supportSep 05 19:26
_Hicham_i mean it was the first oneSep 05 19:26
schestowitz"Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the Web, has been critical of Internet Explorer for its failure to support SVG.[39] All currently supported graphical browsers on Linux systems and the Macintosh have implemented some level of SVG support."Sep 05 19:26
schestowitz_Hicham_: okSep 05 19:26
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schestowitzI think Mutex is still here. See if you spot him.Sep 05 19:29
schestowitzMSN.ca Launches in Canada http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Microsoft-Canada-Co-1037365.htmlSep 05 19:29
_Hicham_we finally have msn video and audio via aMsnSep 05 19:30
_Hicham_do u use msn schestowitz ?Sep 05 19:30
schestowitzI used amsn in 2003 (briefly)Sep 05 19:30
schestowitzIt was hard to get in touch with stubborn users of Windows from Linux otherwiseSep 05 19:31
cubezzzboo :)Sep 05 19:31
schestowitzI stopped IM in 2004Sep 05 19:31
schestowitzThis IRC channel was started in 2008 when someone suggested creating itSep 05 19:31
schestowitzcubezzz: they broke up with Bell CASep 05 19:31
_Hicham_u should create a voice channel in a jabber roomSep 05 19:32
_Hicham_that way we can hear uSep 05 19:32
_Hicham_we never heard ur voice schestowitzSep 05 19:32
schestowitzI'm not a voice personSep 05 19:32
schestowitzjono invited me to FLOSS Weekly, thoughSep 05 19:33
cubezzzI think gaim might work with msnSep 05 19:33
schestowitzAnd _goblin wants to start an audiocastSep 05 19:33
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, but that's todaySep 05 19:33
schestowitz6 years ago it was differentSep 05 19:33
_Hicham_yes, great idea : audio castSep 05 19:33
schestowitzI remember licqSep 05 19:34
_Hicham_video casts are also a good ideaSep 05 19:34
schestowitzIt came with some distros like MandrakeSep 05 19:34
_Hicham_so that female FOSS activists can see uSep 05 19:34
schestowitz_Hicham_: you can do it for usSep 05 19:34
schestowitzHonorary Ambassador Hicham :-pSep 05 19:34
_Hicham_thanks schestowitzSep 05 19:35
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_Hicham_time to break fastingSep 05 19:35
schestowitzIs there a Mrs Hicham yet?Sep 05 19:35
_Hicham_see ya laterSep 05 19:35
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schestowitzLOLSep 05 19:36
schestowitzGet a Zune while you still can < http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/week-in-microsoft-get-a-zune-while-you-still-can.ars >Sep 05 19:36
schestowitzMemorabiliaSep 05 19:36
schestowitzUbuntu gets niftier: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzUwOQSep 05 19:38
schestowitzBut... they put fspot in the installer. How tactless.Sep 05 19:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin the windows 7 drinking game http://is.gd/2VyOhSep 05 19:44
schestowitz*LOL* http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-arranges-spontaneous-house-parties-for-windows-7-launch/ "Come to our supar l33t party! It’ll have “balloons” and “games” and “family friendly” fun and really easy setting up, nudge nudge, wink wink! Plug and play, my friend. Plug and play. Don’t forget your … anti-virus. If you know what I mean. And I think you do."Sep 05 19:55
schestowitzInternet addiction clinic opens in Seattle area < http://www.examiner.com/x-6698-Seattle-City-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m9d4-Internet-addiction-clinic-opens-in-Seattle-area >Sep 05 20:06
schestowitzhttp://www.prlog.org/10329860-parallels-and-partners-microsoft-verisign-and-internetx-to-launch-inaugural-apac-summit.html "Parallels today announced partnerships with Microsoft"Sep 05 20:07
schestowitzSome people try to 'simplify' the industry, pretending just 3 are at play: http://www.pcworld.com/article/171470/google_apple_microsoft_battle_users_win.htmlSep 05 20:11
schestowitzAsay is part of this illusion.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10332114-16.htmlSep 05 20:12
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schestowitzAttention w*ores: http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-apple-the-new-microsoft-2009-8 (Apple: The New Microsoft (AAPL, MSFT))Sep 05 20:14
schestowitzPeople tend to forget it's behaviour, not market shareSep 05 20:15
schestowitzI've done many search variations on this: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=Hitwise+microsoft+partner&aq=f&oq=&aqi= was hitwise ever close to Microsoft in any way? Been fishy recently.Sep 05 20:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard lol, I wonder how many fake parties will be held just in order to try and win prizes....Sep 05 20:24
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE58008O20090901 Many folks forget that Sony hardly competes with GOogle, unlike Microsoft. Sony makes hardware and media, Google does SaaS and search..Sep 05 20:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin @davidgerard I hear Microsoft will disseminate free coke (not the drink) to add hype to the parties. :-|Sep 05 20:27
schestowitzArrow Electronics Expands Licensing Pact with Microsoft http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2507420/Sep 05 20:32
schestowitzhttp://www.seroundtable.com/archives/020672.html "There are confirmed reports by webmasters that the issue is no longer being seen and that going forward their log files are no longer being polluted with fake referrer data."Sep 05 20:37
schestowitzShame on the WSJSep 05 20:44
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB125174411034873381.html?mod=googlenews_wsjSep 05 20:44
schestowitzFilled with propaganda wordsSep 05 20:44
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sebsebsebhiSep 05 20:45
schestowitzThey make it acceptable to call some companies "mafiaa" and "gangsters"Sep 05 20:45
schestowitzsebsebseb: hiSep 05 20:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: hiSep 05 20:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Microsoft attack Linux at the retail level. (Probably not 56k friendly): http://is.gd/2VFBK || wtf??Sep 05 20:49
trmancostupid tacticsSep 05 20:50
_Hicham_senior schestowitzSep 05 20:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz If they offer food to the poor in order to keep people using their products,I expect they will do anything! #microsoft #windowsSep 05 20:55
_Hicham_schestowitz : urgent http://mashable.com/2009/09/05/wordpress-attack/Sep 05 20:55
schestowitzHey _Hicham_ , what's it about?Sep 05 20:55
_Hicham_it is a vulnerability in wordpressSep 05 20:55
schestowitz_Hicham_: I'm safeSep 05 20:56
schestowitzI run the latest versionSep 05 20:56
schestowitzUnless I misreadSep 05 20:56
_Hicham_thanks to godSep 05 20:57
schestowitzIf you’re running a self-hosted WordPressWordPressWordPress blog that isn’t up-to-date (version 2.8.4), you’re advised to upgrade immediately to the latest version of the software to avoid an ongoing attack.Sep 05 20:57
schestowitz_Hicham_: fools at mashableSep 05 20:57
schestowitztrmanco reads emSep 05 20:57
schestowitzThey just alert and alarm people about something that's already patchedSep 05 20:57
schestowitzMake the logo in red and stuffSep 05 20:57
schestowitzThat's like saying "BEWARE! Conficker"Sep 05 20:58
_Hicham_it is better than not informing peopleSep 05 20:59
schestowitz_Hicham_: http://www.scmagazineus.com/Microsoft-disputes-password-stealing-SQL-Server-bug/article/148012/ Sep 05 21:00
schestowitz_Hicham_: trueSep 05 21:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin "Use Bing. OR THE PUPPY GETS IT."Sep 05 21:03
schestowitzMicrosoft Layoffs Add More Fuel to H-1B Visa Fire < http://www.cio.com/article/478754/Microsoft_Layoffs_Add_More_Fuel_to_H_1B_Visa_Fire >Sep 05 21:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard LOL...what about "use Bing or we'll mail you one of Ballmers shirts after he's been on stage" #microsoft #windows #vista #xpSep 05 21:15
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schestowitzSnow Leopard Attacks Twitter! (Meanwhile, Microsoft Mauls Itself) < http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=138803 >Sep 05 21:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Slashdot: Kernel 2.6.31 To Speed Up Linux Desktop http://tinyurl.com/m2vslvSep 05 21:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Microsoft bribes Best Buy employees to promote Windows 7 http://tinyurl.com/kr3j2wSep 05 21:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "IE – What does Microsoft need to do?" http://tinyurl.com/ldrbdz #microsoft #windows #ie #vista #xpSep 05 21:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: someone gave me this link  http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.htmlSep 05 21:44
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peon-devhttp://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.htmlSep 05 21:51
peon-devSeems Microsoft is intent on spreading FUDSep 05 21:51
peon-devpisses me off, because much of what M$ says is not true.Sep 05 21:51
sebsebsebpeon-dev: yeah it seems so these daysSep 05 21:52
trmancohttp://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/05/maps-wars-how-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-deal-with-bridge-closure/Sep 05 21:52
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sebsebseb,but at least  this kind of thing proves that Linux is their only real true competitionSep 05 21:52
sebsebsebAppleSep 05 21:52
sebsebsebLOLSep 05 21:52
trmancopeon-dev: I also posted that here (from Twitter)Sep 05 21:52
schestowitzsebsebseb: I wrote about it yesterdaySep 05 21:53
peon-devcool. Cheers thenSep 05 21:53
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sebsebsebGoogle is   also competetition :D and yep they also use Linux so, what I just said :DSep 05 21:53
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, most people don't spend a lot of money on a computer (Apple)Sep 05 21:54
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am behind on Linux news by a lot,   also  when  I start again,  I might start reading a lot of your stuffSep 05 21:54
schestowitzlet me get that link..Sep 05 21:54
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/signs-of-agony-at-best-buy/Sep 05 21:54
schestowitzIt also discusses the Apple issueSep 05 21:54
schestowitzI have loads of post about new Microsoft dirty tricks... coming tomorrowSep 05 21:56
schestowitzIt's becoming easy to see that Microsoft struggles (more layoffs now) because it's attacking blatantlySep 05 21:57
schestowitzMicrosoft sued over patents again.. http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/307504 http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/307394.phpSep 05 21:58
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schestowitz"Decision in Spansion Finds That Debtors Did Not Demonstrate Sound Business Judgment in Settlement of Patent Litigation" http://delawarebankruptcy.foxrothschild.com/2009/07/articles/recent-developments-in-bankrup/decision-in-spansion-finds-that-debtors-did-not-demonstrate-sound-business-judgment-in-settlement-of-patent-litigation/#moreSep 05 22:07
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sebsebsebschestowitz: ok read it the best buy articleSep 05 22:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: or blog entry evenSep 05 22:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "The Girl Paradox" - http://twlol.com/tw/?v4-25097 #lol #graphsSep 05 22:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202433636349 "9th Circuit Blasts Feds for Post-9/11 Detention of 'Material Witness'" "the Idaho man's Fourth Amendment rights were violated when he was arrested and imprisoned without charges for two weeks in 2003 and later restricted to Nevada and three other states."Sep 05 22:30
schestowitztrmanco: http://en.nothingisreal.com/wiki/Why_I_Will_Never_Have_a_GirlfriendSep 05 22:31
schestowitzUnorthodox lawyers trying to take a bite out of Apple http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/6601818.htmlSep 05 22:33
ThistleWebApple's logo does have a bit out of it, maybe they think that;s in invitationSep 05 22:36
ThistleWebbite*Sep 05 22:36
schestowitzApple funds MyhrvoldSep 05 22:37
schestowitzI've just found outSep 05 22:37
schestowitzThe fiendsSep 05 22:37
schestowitzIBM has it coming tooSep 05 22:37
Diablo-D3schestowitz: that... is epicSep 05 22:38
schestowitzNo.Sep 05 22:40
schestowitzEPIC is a Microsoft-filled droneSep 05 22:40
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/epic_googlebooks_intervention/Sep 05 22:40
trmancoschestowitz: that's funnySep 05 22:40
schestowitzMicrosoft on boardSep 05 22:40
schestowitzPost comingSep 05 22:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] # Law Firm Shows That #GNU #Linux is a Great Success in #Legal Business http://ping.fm/7mVGFSep 05 22:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Amounts of Snacks Eaten During Movies" - http://twlol.com/tw/?v4-24556 #lol #graphsSep 05 22:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Is Inherently More Advanced Than #Windows http://ping.fm/JJhHuSep 05 22:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #XServer 1.7 ii Coming http://ping.fm/r4S4uSep 05 22:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Things I read at breakfast" - http://twlol.com/tw/?v4-24253 #lol #graphsSep 05 22:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Wants Meta #FogComputing http://ping.fm/uekXuSep 05 22:56
trmancohttp://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/song-chart-memes-politics.jpg?w=504&h=411Sep 05 22:56
trmancothis graph is inspiringSep 05 22:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at Contemporary Desktops Running #AfterStep http://ping.fm/pH6tPSep 05 22:58
schestowitztrmanco: yesSep 05 22:59
schestowitzSort ofSep 05 22:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Linux Gets Polished New #Installer (Screenshots) http://ping.fm/udPKZSep 05 23:04
trmancohttp://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-math-expand.jpgSep 05 23:04
trmancowhat a laugh I just hadSep 05 23:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Improvements Made to Android/Linux Applications Repository http://ping.fm/vnl3HSep 05 23:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Handheld Runs Linux ( #Android ) http://ping.fm/viNNuSep 05 23:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Classic Headball" - http://twlol.com/tw/?v7-397 #lol #failSep 05 23:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Jolicloud (GNU/Linux) Gets More Acceptance in Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/IkJqWSep 05 23:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Awards Officially Distributed http://ping.fm/4U4eeSep 05 23:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kosovo Groks Need for #FreeSoftware in #Government http://ping.fm/krmNQSep 05 23:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Freedom in #Proprietary Software (e.g. #Apple / #Microsoft ) Makes No Sense http://ping.fm/d3kedSep 05 23:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KRUU #Radio Chooses #FreeSoftware and Reports Great #Savings http://ping.fm/QpN6pSep 05 23:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Learns from Testers and Recruits Volunteers http://ping.fm/EheZ0 http://ping.fm/RzSOMSep 05 23:27
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yuhongMy opinion on http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/signs-of-agony-at-best-buy/ is that I don't agree with everything said on this, but yes this is likely indeed Linux FUD.Sep 05 23:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] South African Government Reassures Migration to Free Software http://ping.fm/CVk2qSep 05 23:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Hungarian #Government Turns to #FreeSoftware in Procurement http://ping.fm/G0EycSep 05 23:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BBC's Thompson "Proud to be a C/UNIX Programmer [and GNU/Linux User]" http://ping.fm/ZMQdxSep 05 23:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open-source Hardware Carries on Getting Attention http://ping.fm/QbUe9 http://ping.fm/YFanKSep 05 23:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Access Carries on Entering Law and Science http://ping.fm/ORxBq http://ping.fm/iVmXl http://ping.fm/Ug9AmSep 05 23:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon Still Plays Bad Cop, Good Cop http://ping.fm/Iliio http://ping.fm/p3qld?mod=Sep 05 23:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cunning Tricks for Censorship in Vietnam , Russia, Italy, Korea http://ping.fm/lPRjs http://ping.fm/gwVf3 http://ping.fm/DdVjx http: ...Sep 05 23:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pfizer in the Middle of Massive Fraud Again http://ping.fm/Tw2X2 http://ping.fm/ByB6W #criminalsinsuitsSep 05 23:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Numbers Are Made Up Again and Parroted in the Press Nonetheless http://ping.fm/jJ91ASep 05 23:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #YouTube to Host Copyright #Cartel , Failure Expected http://ping.fm/XoZ7l http://ping.fm/0hTWbSep 05 23:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attacks on BitTorrent Leads to Backlash from Legitimate Business http://ping.fm/fc3zqSep 05 23:55

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