IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 7th, 2009

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seller_liarThanks roy for award !Sep 07 00:17
seller_liarbut I'm not the best contributorSep 07 00:17
seller_liarJoseX ,twitter and slated have more contributionsSep 07 00:17
seller_liarI was thinking , the guy called "Richard" can be a trollSep 07 00:18
seller_liarI was thinking ....Sep 07 00:18
seller_liarEven moonlight to be 100% compatible with silverlightSep 07 00:19
seller_liarmicrosoft can insert proprietary extension not in moonlightSep 07 00:19
seller_liarlike dr-dos attackSep 07 00:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks #Google still not fighting subpoena for journalists' data http://bit.ly/1bGyC3 ("Don't be actively evil, just passively")Sep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @almightygod How to convert an atheist: http://bit.ly/16maMM (personally I'd put "don't, just be a good example" at the top)Sep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #damienhirst is a less-than-worthless piece of shit. http://bit.ly/CVYfYSep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cleaning house and restoring hole foxes dug in strawberry patch AGAIN (chasing rathole). now, coffee.Sep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] older teen is out with bf she has finally met. social life! excellent stuff! younger teen in camden with mates. a+f at shops.Sep 07 00:27
schestowitzHi, seller_liarSep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] More amusing/cool/interesting #photo s needed for http://dailyphoto.today.com/ - pref reusable licence. point me to yr faves! or yr own!Sep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Kernel 2.6.31 to speed up Linux desktop: http://is.gd/2XECBSep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "benchmarks show clock time & major faults reduced by 50%, & pswpin numbers (memory reads from disk) are reduced to about 1/3" :DSep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "That means X desktop responsiveness is doubled under high memory pressure." :D:D:DSep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] More here -> http://is.gd/2XFj1Sep 07 00:27
schestowitzseller_liar: I upgrade to kde 4.3.1 ATMSep 07 00:27
_Hicham_schestowitz : did u organize ur desktop ?Sep 07 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga.Mod: "Sea of Memories" #amigaSep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga.Mod: "Space Debris" #amigaSep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yes too many computer interviews are like this: http://is.gd/2XNhISep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A Formula 3 car with a body made from potatoes. It runs on chocolate. I'm serious. http://bit.ly/ecoF3Sep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Music of the moment: MARK OH - United (Club mix & Radio Edit): http://is.gd/2XSG9 || Why does house music rock so much? :DSep 07 00:28
schestowitzStill ironing some creasesSep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] From your 345 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 23,053 items, starred 13 items, shared 138 items, and emailed 1 items.Sep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] “Stupid Customers” say PCworld/Currys staff? & FUD Training for Walmart? http://tinyurl.com/m39qet #microsoft #windows #linux #xp #vistaSep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Join @BrokenWindows_ the campaign to educate on benefits of FOSS. Find out what everyones talking about! #foss #linux #windows #vista #xpSep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] PROFILE OF: Hadron – Appearing on C.O.L.A http://tinyurl.com/l22z9j #microsoft #linux #foss #windows #vista #xp #redmond #fud #7 #trollSep 07 00:28
schestowitzI had to do lots of work to get BNc running againSep 07 00:28
schestowitzFirefox I had restored to perfection wellSep 07 00:28
seller_liarschestowitz: I was thinkingSep 07 00:28
schestowitzThunderbird plugins are a tricky one, stillSep 07 00:28
schestowitzAnd pgpSep 07 00:28
seller_liarmoonlight never 100% compatible with silverblightSep 07 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Commentary: Linux at Law http://tinyurl.com/naw4w2 - The benefits of switching to FOSS. #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #linux #fossSep 07 00:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wow, busy weekend....why do they go so quickly? Been some good news in the campaign to show people the benefits of FOSS...Good night all.Sep 07 00:29
seller_liarmicrosoft can insert intentional incompatibilitesSep 07 00:29
seller_liarlike drdosSep 07 00:31
trmancoschestowitz: use konversationSep 07 00:39
trmancothe alphas are quite stableSep 07 00:39
schestowitzzoobab: re: that E-mail, yes... I saw that and have a post coming about it alreadySep 07 00:43
schestowitzNathan Boy uses staellitesSep 07 00:43
schestowitzseller_liar: yesSep 07 00:43
schestowitztrmanco: why not xchat? I'm just askingSep 07 00:43
trmancoit's gtkSep 07 00:43
trmancoI don't really like to mixSep 07 00:43
trmancoI only am dependent on gtk because of FFSep 07 00:44
trmancobut that will soon change if arora gets a bit more functionality or if konq devs implement very well webkit into the browserSep 07 00:45
schestowitzYeah, I knowSep 07 00:46
schestowitzBut I depend on xchat for consistency, e.g. for loggingSep 07 00:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not been microblogging today.. I fell in love... KDE 4.3.1 :-pSep 07 00:49
Diablo-D3ROY!Sep 07 00:49
Diablo-D3you didnt!Sep 07 00:49
trmancokonversation logsSep 07 00:49
Diablo-D3kde is horridSep 07 00:49
trmancowtfSep 07 00:49
trmancohave you actually ever tried for more than a week?Sep 07 00:49
Diablo-D3I couldnt get past trying it for a half hourSep 07 00:50
*Diablo-D3 tried it yesterdaySep 07 00:50
trmanco...Sep 07 00:51
trmancoI wonder whySep 07 00:51
Diablo-D3because its unusable and slowSep 07 00:52
Diablo-D3and qt apps are quite uglySep 07 00:52
*schestowitz got xbingkeys up and running in .bashrcSep 07 00:52
schestowitz*bindSep 07 00:52
trmancowtfSep 07 00:52
schestowitzDiablo-D3: it's wonderfulSep 07 00:52
schestowitzKDE is great!Sep 07 00:52
schestowitzFAR better than 3.5Sep 07 00:52
trmancoI actually have the opposite experienceSep 07 00:52
schestowitzFAR FAR FAT :-pSep 07 00:52
trmancoit's fatterSep 07 00:52
trmancobut it's justifiedSep 07 00:53
schestowitzIt isSep 07 00:53
schestowitzALso FAR less RAM-consumingSep 07 00:53
schestowitzNo idea whySep 07 00:53
schestowitzI use ext4 BTWSep 07 00:53
schestowitzANd it doesn't feel like alphaSep 07 00:53
schestowitzNo bugsSep 07 00:53
trmancoahSep 07 00:53
trmancokubuntu 9.10Sep 07 00:53
oiaohmKde 3.5 has a lot of memoy eating bugs.Sep 07 00:53
schestowitz"FAT" was a typoSep 07 00:53
schestowitzI didn't mean "fat"Sep 07 00:53
oiaohmFrom the work arounds kde 3.5 was doing.Sep 07 00:54
trmancobut it's slightly fatter than gnomeSep 07 00:54
schestowitzDId you get 3d going?Sep 07 00:54
schestowitzIt's FASTSep 07 00:54
schestowitzVerySep 07 00:54
schestowitzSpinning cube thingSep 07 00:54
schestowitzLike 25 fpsSep 07 00:54
schestowitzEVen on a display 3500px wideSep 07 00:54
*trmanco thinks it might be the gnome residue processes that are making kde fatSep 07 00:54
trmanco25?Sep 07 00:54
trmancomine doesn't get below 50Sep 07 00:55
trmancowhile spinningSep 07 00:55
twittervery cool reportSep 07 01:00
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twitterIf it's that bug free, I expect it to bump into Debian testing sooner than later.Sep 07 01:01
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trmancomaybe I just have a well supported cardSep 07 01:02
trmancoor well supported hardware, dunnoSep 07 01:03
schestowitzroy@baine:~$ uptimeSep 07 01:03
schestowitz 01:03:15 up 223 days, 14:04,  2 users,  load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.01Sep 07 01:03
oiaohmVideo card drivers and card both are factors trmancoSep 07 01:03
trmancoI have (had) a good cardSep 07 01:03
schestowitztrmanco: don't know, didn't measure. Eye can't discern beyond ~25Sep 07 01:03
schestowitz /Human/ eye that isSep 07 01:04
trmancoyou can feel it thoughSep 07 01:04
schestowitzfabs from Linux Outlaws got burned by nvidiaSep 07 01:04
twitterfunny.  Someone tagged my last Slashdot Story Submission, "shit" http://slashdot.org/submission/1067713/Beyond-Trust-Warns-that-UAC-is-Still-BrokenSep 07 01:04
schestowitzOne among manySep 07 01:04
trmancoand good drivers I guessSep 07 01:04
schestowitzLost his PCSep 07 01:04
trmancooss onesSep 07 01:04
schestowitztwitter: he left traces of self on storySep 07 01:04
twitterI do not know if they were referring to the story or UAC.Sep 07 01:04
schestowitzShameless self-promotionSep 07 01:05
schestowitz:-pSep 07 01:05
twitterah, very nice.Sep 07 01:05
twitterI realized that Google does not search for "M$"Sep 07 01:06
twitterBecause my point is to expose M$, I'm going to make things easier on Google than myself.  :)Sep 07 01:06
oiaohmWonder what mean of the word twitterSep 07 01:06
schestowitzNeed help...Sep 07 01:07
schestowitz└─(02:39 $)─> cron ./Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cronSep 07 01:07
schestowitzcron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission deniedSep 07 01:07
schestowitz┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐Sep 07 01:07
schestowitz└─(02:39 $)─> sudo cron ./Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cronSep 07 01:07
schestowitz[sudo] password for roy:Sep 07 01:07
schestowitzcron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2676: Resource temporarily unavailableSep 07 01:07
twitterIt was something you noticed, Roy, how positive M$ articles are filled with Windows keywords but negative stories avoid the mention of any terms.Sep 07 01:07
schestowitz┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐Sep 07 01:07
schestowitz└─(02:39 $)─> cronSep 07 01:07
schestowitzcron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission deniedSep 07 01:07
schestowitzWrite "Microsoft". It gets seen as more reasonableSep 07 01:08
twitterUbuntu has some very annoying root lockout.Sep 07 01:08
schestowitz"Vista 7" is porky funnySep 07 01:08
schestowitzLike "Digital RESTRICTIONS management"Sep 07 01:08
trmancomaybe cron is in use alreadySep 07 01:08
schestowitzI guess I can't do cron thenSep 07 01:08
schestowitzBy whom?Sep 07 01:09
twitterto get a root sign on, use "sudo passwrd"Sep 07 01:09
oiaohmHmm wonder if apparmor is stuffed up again in ubuntu.Sep 07 01:09
twittermake a password and go to town.Sep 07 01:09
schestowitz└─(02:40 $)─> cron -lSep 07 01:09
schestowitzcron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission deniedSep 07 01:09
trmancoit's still an alphaSep 07 01:09
oiaohmI guess you have checked the permissions that cron can create taht schestowitzSep 07 01:09
trmancobut that's really strangeSep 07 01:09
oiaohmNot really.Sep 07 01:09
schestowitzoiaohm: no apparmorSep 07 01:09
schestowitzIt's kubuntuSep 07 01:09
trmancojust log in as rootSep 07 01:09
trmanco:-PSep 07 01:09
trmancosuSep 07 01:09
oiaohmubuntu apparmor is enabled by default even in kubuntuSep 07 01:10
oiaohmUnless you picked some other LSM to install.Sep 07 01:10
oiaohmapparmor only on services.Sep 07 01:10
schestowitzroot@roy:~# cron /home/roy/Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cronSep 07 01:10
schestowitzcron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2676: Resource temporarily unavailableSep 07 01:10
trmancotime for some shuteyeSep 07 01:10
trmancookSep 07 01:11
trmanconow that strangeSep 07 01:11
twitterahSep 07 01:11
trmancoisSep 07 01:11
trmancokill -9 2676 :-PSep 07 01:11
schestowitzoiaohm: apparmor not runningSep 07 01:11
schestowitzroot@roy:~# kill -9 2676Sep 07 01:12
schestowitzroot@roy:~# cron /home/roy/Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cronSep 07 01:12
schestowitzroot@roy:~#Sep 07 01:12
twitter"/etc/init.d/cron restart" ?Sep 07 01:12
trmancoit workedSep 07 01:12
trmanco?Sep 07 01:12
schestowitzroot@roy:~# /etc/init.d/cron restartSep 07 01:13
schestowitz * Restarting periodic command scheduler cron                            [ OK ]Sep 07 01:13
twitterthere you goSep 07 01:13
schestowitzroot@roy:~# exitSep 07 01:13
schestowitzlogoutSep 07 01:13
schestowitz┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐Sep 07 01:13
schestowitz└─(02:46 $)─> cron -lSep 07 01:13
schestowitzcron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission deniedSep 07 01:13
schestowitz┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐Sep 07 01:13
trmanco:|Sep 07 01:13
trmancosudo cronSep 07 01:13
twitterls -lh /var/run/cron.pidSep 07 01:13
twitterwhat are the permissions on it?Sep 07 01:14
trmancoonly root can rwxSep 07 01:14
schestowitzOh noSep 07 01:14
trmancoother are --- --- I guessSep 07 01:14
trmancosSep 07 01:14
schestowitzI'm an idiotSep 07 01:14
twitterhe heSep 07 01:14
schestowitzIt's crontab, I thinkSep 07 01:14
trmancohehSep 07 01:14
trmancoyes that's the fileSep 07 01:14
trmancojust use kde's task managerSep 07 01:15
schestowitzMea culpaSep 07 01:15
twitterkcron is niceSep 07 01:15
trmancoin settings tab [advanced]Sep 07 01:15
trmancoyesSep 07 01:15
schestowitzIt's not a bugSep 07 01:15
schestowitzIt's my bad memorySep 07 01:15
twittertell us what you did so we can avoid the mistakeSep 07 01:15
schestowitzIt's crontab, not cranSep 07 01:15
trmanco:)Sep 07 01:15
schestowitzI was't thinkingSep 07 01:15
twitteryou have a lot of interesting scriptsSep 07 01:15
schestowitzOne of my crons crawls BN once a daYSep 07 01:16
schestowitzmakes dumps for backupsSep 07 01:16
schestowitzThere are many other jobsSep 07 01:16
schestowitzLike revolving .sigs and doing maintenanceSep 07 01:16
twitterwell the pid file only has a number in it, what were you trying to do with it?Sep 07 01:16
trmancogn guysSep 07 01:16
twitterlater trmancoSep 07 01:16
twitterI had an idea for a pda file server.  My Zaurus has both a SD and CF card slot.Sep 07 01:18
twitterIt would be nice to find a CF USB adapter and then plug a lot of drives and devices into a USB hub.Sep 07 01:19
*schestowitz just sent a bug reportSep 07 01:19
twitterI've got a CF network card and a USB HD adapter.Sep 07 01:19
twitterA card reader for the network card and a USB network adapter or two and a few external hard drives would make a nice low power file server.Sep 07 01:21
twitterThis can be done with any PDA that has CF and a gnu/linux port.Sep 07 01:21
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_Hicham_schestowitz : what is the bug report about ?Sep 07 01:31
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twitterGrim Investments.  Bundled bets on death as the next big investment scam.  http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/09/06/wall-street-vultures-betting-on-death-if-you-die-early-they-cash-in/Sep 07 01:49
schestowitzEevrything but pgp works well now. It's always a hard oneSep 07 01:50
schestowitzI can't read encrypted mailSep 07 01:50
schestowitz└─(03:23 $)─> gpg-agentSep 07 01:50
schestowitzgpg-agent[9145]: can't connect to `/home/roy/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directorySep 07 01:50
schestowitzgpg-agent: no gpg-agent running in this sessionSep 07 01:50
twitterack, you have to move your keys.Sep 07 01:50
schestowitzYesSep 07 01:51
schestowitzI did this before, but it took a while.Sep 07 01:51
schestowitzpgp confused meSep 07 01:51
schestowitzkpgp and front ends...?Sep 07 01:51
twitter->  The rating agency involved in the ” early death investments,” DBRS, employs a “mathematics whiz” who has created computer models to manage the risk of investing in life-insurance securitizations. The risk being of course, people living longer than expected. The math wiz, Jan Buckler, also has a PH.D. in nuclear engineering and she has devised a scheme of packaging the bond instruments based on the type of disease to lowSep 07 01:51
twitternuclear engineers know pdf and cdfSep 07 01:52
twittergpg is what you are looking forSep 07 01:52
twitterkgpg might pull the rest inSep 07 01:53
schestowitzI found gpaSep 07 01:53
twitterhave you coppied your .gnupg ?Sep 07 01:53
twitterthe package is called gnupg2 in LennySep 07 01:54
schestowitzgpg command line and output:Sep 07 01:55
schestowitz/usr/bin/gpgSep 07 01:55
schestowitzgpg: gpg-agent is not available in this sessionSep 07 01:55
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 01:55
schestowitzgpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ...Sep 07 01:55
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 01:55
schestowitzgpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ...Sep 07 01:55
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 01:55
schestowitzYes, I copied .gnupgSep 07 01:55
schestowitzThe keys are here, but gpg-agent won't goSep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg: public key decryption failed: bad passphraseSep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg: decryption failed: secret key not availableSep 07 01:56
twitterwhat mail client?Sep 07 01:56
schestowitzAnother one:Sep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg command line and output:Sep 07 01:56
schestowitz/usr/bin/gpgSep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg: gpg-agent is not available in this sessionSep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ...Sep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ...Sep 07 01:56
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 01:56
schestowitztwitter: either kde or thunderbird+enigmailSep 07 01:56
twitterhave you installed gnupg-agent?Sep 07 01:57
schestowitzAh. Got it in KDE!Sep 07 01:57
schestowitzJust needed to restart appSep 07 01:57
twitter:-DSep 07 01:57
twitterlet us know how kmail is in 4.3Sep 07 01:58
schestowitzgnupg-agent?Sep 07 01:59
schestowitzor gpg-agent?Sep 07 01:59
schestowitzgnupg-agent seems liike metapackage or somethingSep 07 01:59
schestowitzIs it a daemon?Sep 07 02:00
twitterI don't know.  It just turned up an an apt-cache search and your error messages.Sep 07 02:01
twitterno need, now that it's working.Sep 07 02:02
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/gpg-gpg-agent-cant-connect-to-root.gnupgs.gpg-agent-611843/Sep 07 02:03
schestowitz"I use GPG, bit not the agent. It turns out that S.gpg-agent is a socket (not a file which is what the touch command creates). The gpg-agent listens to gpg, intercepts requests for passphrases and supplies the info so you don't have to type your passphrase all the time."Sep 07 02:04
schestowitz└─(03:44 $)─> gpg-agentSep 07 02:11
schestowitzgpg-agent: gpg-agent running and availableSep 07 02:11
twitterinteresting.Sep 07 02:15
twitterHere's something funny.  There's nothing M$ on the google science/tech news page.Sep 07 02:16
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schestowitzOK, now xchat looks differentSep 07 00:27
schestowitzIt's a very gnomy version of itSep 07 00:27
_Hicham_how is that?Sep 07 00:28
_Hicham_of courseSep 07 00:28
_Hicham_it is UbuntuSep 07 00:28
_Hicham_Ubuntu is gnomishSep 07 00:28
schestowitzAnd it doesn't have users list visibleSep 07 00:28
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schestowitzIt's like a simplified versionSep 07 00:29
_Hicham_u can make it visibleSep 07 00:29
_Hicham_just the default optionsSep 07 00:30
schestowitzI can't find the optionSep 07 00:30
schestowitzThere are few optionsSep 07 00:30
schestowitzIt looks more modern a versionSep 07 00:30
schestowitzBut some things changedSep 07 00:30
schestowitzOddlySep 07 00:30
ziggyfish_schestowitz, looks the same as before ;)Sep 07 00:30
schestowitzI see.....Sep 07 00:31
schestowitzSome options moved positionsSep 07 00:31
schestowitzLike "mark as away"Sep 07 00:31
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_Hicham_maybe it is a development versionSep 07 00:32
schestowitzI don't think soSep 07 00:32
_Hicham_but no, ubuntu doesn't ship develpment versionsSep 07 00:32
schestowitzThings like detach window vanishedSep 07 00:32
schestowitzAnd there's no 'advanced' versionSep 07 00:32
schestowitzNo GUI for banlistSep 07 00:33
schestowitzXChat-GNOME 0.26.1Sep 07 00:33
schestowitzThat's old, no?Sep 07 00:33
schestowitzCopyright © 2004-200Sep 07 00:33
_Hicham_maybe u should give kopete a trySep 07 00:34
schestowitzbrbSep 07 00:37
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schestowitzOK, I got itSep 07 00:38
schestowitzThere are two versionsSep 07 00:38
schestowitzBoth got installedSep 07 00:38
schestowitzgnome-chat is the simplerSep 07 00:38
schestowitzNow I'm on the 'full edition' so to speakSep 07 00:38
_Hicham_xchat-schestowitz : the ultimate version for chatting on ircSep 07 00:39
_Hicham_unlimited viewsSep 07 00:39
_Hicham_unlimited channelSep 07 00:39
_Hicham_get it today for only $59.99 !Sep 07 00:40
schestowitzWhere does skype store user settings?Sep 07 00:40
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_Hicham_schestowitz : .skype for sureSep 07 00:42
_Hicham_on ur home directorySep 07 00:42
schestowitz_Hicham_: I triedSep 07 00:43
_Hicham_schestowitz : didn't find it?Sep 07 00:43
schestowitzLet's seeSep 07 00:43
schestowitzCouldn't find it beforeSep 07 00:43
schestowitzI need to test the vid/webcamSep 07 00:43
schestowitz*LOL*Sep 07 00:44
schestowitzSkype capitalise itSep 07 00:44
_Hicham_why do u need the settings forlder for ?Sep 07 00:44
schestowitzIt's .Skype, not .skypeSep 07 00:44
schestowitzIt's against the unix philosophySep 07 00:44
schestowitzThat's why I couldn't find itSep 07 00:44
_Hicham_u got ur webcam working schestowitz ?Sep 07 00:46
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seller_liarThanks roy for award !Sep 07 01:50
seller_liarbut I'm not the best contributorSep 07 01:50
seller_liarJoseX ,twitter and slated have more contributionsSep 07 01:50
seller_liarI was thinking , the guy called "Richard" can be a trollSep 07 01:51
seller_liarI was thinking ....Sep 07 01:51
seller_liarEven moonlight to be 100% compatible with silverlightSep 07 01:52
seller_liarmicrosoft can insert proprietary extension not in moonlightSep 07 01:52
seller_liarlike dr-dos attackSep 07 01:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks #Google still not fighting subpoena for journalists' data http://bit.ly/1bGyC3 ("Don't be actively evil, just passively")Sep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @almightygod How to convert an atheist: http://bit.ly/16maMM (personally I'd put "don't, just be a good example" at the top)Sep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #damienhirst is a less-than-worthless piece of shit. http://bit.ly/CVYfYSep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cleaning house and restoring hole foxes dug in strawberry patch AGAIN (chasing rathole). now, coffee.Sep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] older teen is out with bf she has finally met. social life! excellent stuff! younger teen in camden with mates. a+f at shops.Sep 07 02:00
schestowitzHi, seller_liar Sep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] More amusing/cool/interesting #photo s needed for http://dailyphoto.today.com/ - pref reusable licence. point me to yr faves! or yr own!Sep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Kernel 2.6.31 to speed up Linux desktop: http://is.gd/2XECBSep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "benchmarks show clock time & major faults reduced by 50%, & pswpin numbers (memory reads from disk) are reduced to about 1/3" :DSep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "That means X desktop responsiveness is doubled under high memory pressure." :D:D:DSep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] More here -> http://is.gd/2XFj1Sep 07 02:00
schestowitzseller_liar: I upgrade to kde 4.3.1 ATMSep 07 02:00
_Hicham_schestowitz : did u organize ur desktop ?Sep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga.Mod: "Sea of Memories" #amigaSep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga.Mod: "Space Debris" #amigaSep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yes too many computer interviews are like this: http://is.gd/2XNhISep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A Formula 3 car with a body made from potatoes. It runs on chocolate. I'm serious. http://bit.ly/ecoF3Sep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Music of the moment: MARK OH - United (Club mix & Radio Edit): http://is.gd/2XSG9 || Why does house music rock so much? :DSep 07 02:00
schestowitzStill ironing some creasesSep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] From your 345 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 23,053 items, starred 13 items, shared 138 items, and emailed 1 items.Sep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] “Stupid Customers” say PCworld/Currys staff? & FUD Training for Walmart? http://tinyurl.com/m39qet #microsoft #windows #linux #xp #vistaSep 07 02:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Join @BrokenWindows_ the campaign to educate on benefits of FOSS. Find out what everyones talking about! #foss #linux #windows #vista #xpSep 07 02:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] PROFILE OF: Hadron – Appearing on C.O.L.A http://tinyurl.com/l22z9j #microsoft #linux #foss #windows #vista #xp #redmond #fud #7 #trollSep 07 02:01
schestowitzI had to do lots of work to get BNc running againSep 07 02:01
schestowitzFirefox I had restored to perfection wellSep 07 02:01
seller_liarschestowitz: I was thinkingSep 07 02:01
schestowitzThunderbird plugins are a tricky one, stillSep 07 02:01
schestowitzAnd pgpSep 07 02:01
seller_liarmoonlight never 100% compatible with silverblightSep 07 02:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Commentary: Linux at Law http://tinyurl.com/naw4w2 - The benefits of switching to FOSS. #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #linux #fossSep 07 02:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wow, busy weekend....why do they go so quickly? Been some good news in the campaign to show people the benefits of FOSS...Good night all.Sep 07 02:01
seller_liarmicrosoft can insert intentional incompatibilitesSep 07 02:01
seller_liarlike drdosSep 07 02:04
trmancoschestowitz: use konversationSep 07 02:11
trmancothe alphas are quite stableSep 07 02:12
schestowitzzoobab: re: that E-mail, yes... I saw that and have a post coming about it alreadySep 07 02:16
schestowitzNathan Boy uses staellitesSep 07 02:16
schestowitzseller_liar: yesSep 07 02:16
schestowitztrmanco: why not xchat? I'm just askingSep 07 02:16
trmancoit's gtkSep 07 02:16
trmancoI don't really like to mixSep 07 02:16
trmancoI only am dependent on gtk because of FFSep 07 02:17
trmancobut that will soon change if arora gets a bit more functionality or if konq devs implement very well webkit into the browserSep 07 02:18
schestowitzYeah, I knowSep 07 02:19
schestowitzBut I depend on xchat for consistency, e.g. for loggingSep 07 02:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not been microblogging today.. I fell in love... KDE 4.3.1 :-pSep 07 02:21
Diablo-D3ROY!Sep 07 02:22
Diablo-D3you didnt!Sep 07 02:22
trmancokonversation logsSep 07 02:22
Diablo-D3kde is horridSep 07 02:22
trmancowtfSep 07 02:22
trmancohave you actually ever tried for more than a week?Sep 07 02:22
Diablo-D3I couldnt get past trying it for a half hourSep 07 02:23
*Diablo-D3 tried it yesterdaySep 07 02:23
trmanco...Sep 07 02:23
trmancoI wonder whySep 07 02:23
Diablo-D3because its unusable and slowSep 07 02:24
Diablo-D3and qt apps are quite uglySep 07 02:25
*schestowitz got xbingkeys up and running in .bashrcSep 07 02:25
schestowitz*bindSep 07 02:25
trmancowtfSep 07 02:25
schestowitzDiablo-D3: it's wonderfulSep 07 02:25
schestowitzKDE is great!Sep 07 02:25
schestowitzFAR better than 3.5Sep 07 02:25
trmancoI actually have the opposite experienceSep 07 02:25
schestowitzFAR FAR FAT :-pSep 07 02:25
trmancoit's fatterSep 07 02:25
trmancobut it's justifiedSep 07 02:26
schestowitzIt isSep 07 02:26
schestowitzALso FAR less RAM-consumingSep 07 02:26
schestowitzNo idea whySep 07 02:26
schestowitzI use ext4 BTWSep 07 02:26
schestowitzANd it doesn't feel like alphaSep 07 02:26
schestowitzNo bugsSep 07 02:26
trmancoahSep 07 02:26
trmancokubuntu 9.10Sep 07 02:26
oiaohmKde 3.5 has a lot of memoy eating bugs.Sep 07 02:26
schestowitz"FAT" was a typoSep 07 02:26
schestowitzI didn't mean "fat"Sep 07 02:26
oiaohmFrom the work arounds kde 3.5 was doing.Sep 07 02:27
trmancobut it's slightly fatter than gnomeSep 07 02:27
schestowitzDId you get 3d going?Sep 07 02:27
schestowitzIt's FASTSep 07 02:27
schestowitzVerySep 07 02:27
schestowitzSpinning cube thingSep 07 02:27
schestowitzLike 25 fpsSep 07 02:27
schestowitzEVen on a display 3500px wideSep 07 02:27
*trmanco thinks it might be the gnome residue processes that are making kde fatSep 07 02:27
trmanco25?Sep 07 02:27
trmancomine doesn't get below 50Sep 07 02:27
trmancowhile spinningSep 07 02:28
twittervery cool reportSep 07 02:33
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twitterIf it's that bug free, I expect it to bump into Debian testing sooner than later.Sep 07 02:34
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trmancomaybe I just have a well supported cardSep 07 02:35
trmancoor well supported hardware, dunnoSep 07 02:35
schestowitzroy@baine:~$ uptimeSep 07 02:36
schestowitz 01:03:15 up 223 days, 14:04,  2 users,  load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.01Sep 07 02:36
oiaohmVideo card drivers and card both are factors trmancoSep 07 02:36
schestowitztrmanco: don't know, didn't measure. Eye can't discern beyond ~25Sep 07 02:36
trmancoI have (had) a good cardSep 07 02:36
schestowitz /Human/ eye that isSep 07 02:36
trmancoyou can feel it thoughSep 07 02:37
schestowitzfabs from Linux Outlaws got burned by nvidiaSep 07 02:37
twitterfunny.  Someone tagged my last Slashdot Story Submission, "shit" http://slashdot.org/submission/1067713/Beyond-Trust-Warns-that-UAC-is-Still-BrokenSep 07 02:37
schestowitzOne among manySep 07 02:37
trmancoand good drivers I guessSep 07 02:37
schestowitzLost his PCSep 07 02:37
trmancooss onesSep 07 02:37
schestowitztwitter: he left traces of self on storySep 07 02:37
twitterI do not know if they were referring to the story or UAC.Sep 07 02:37
schestowitzShameless self-promotionSep 07 02:38
schestowitz:-pSep 07 02:38
twitterah, very nice.Sep 07 02:38
twitterI realized that Google does not search for "M$"Sep 07 02:38
twitterBecause my point is to expose M$, I'm going to make things easier on Google than myself.  :)Sep 07 02:39
oiaohmWonder what mean of the word twitterSep 07 02:39
schestowitzNeed help...Sep 07 02:40
schestowitz└─(02:39 $)─> cron ./Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cronSep 07 02:40
schestowitzcron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission deniedSep 07 02:40
schestowitz┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐Sep 07 02:40
schestowitz└─(02:39 $)─> sudo cron ./Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cronSep 07 02:40
schestowitz[sudo] password for roy:Sep 07 02:40
schestowitzcron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2676: Resource temporarily unavailableSep 07 02:40
schestowitz┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐Sep 07 02:40
schestowitz└─(02:39 $)─> cronSep 07 02:40
schestowitzcron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission deniedSep 07 02:40
twitterIt was something you noticed, Roy, how positive M$ articles are filled with Windows keywords but negative stories avoid the mention of any terms.Sep 07 02:40
schestowitzWrite "Microsoft". It gets seen as more reasonableSep 07 02:41
twitterUbuntu has some very annoying root lockout.Sep 07 02:41
schestowitz"Vista 7" is porky funnySep 07 02:41
schestowitzLike "Digital RESTRICTIONS management"Sep 07 02:41
trmancomaybe cron is in use alreadySep 07 02:41
schestowitzI guess I can't do cron thenSep 07 02:41
schestowitzBy whom?Sep 07 02:41
twitterto get a root sign on, use "sudo passwrd"Sep 07 02:42
oiaohmHmm wonder if apparmor is stuffed up again in ubuntu.Sep 07 02:42
twittermake a password and go to town.Sep 07 02:42
schestowitz└─(02:40 $)─> cron -lSep 07 02:42
schestowitzcron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission deniedSep 07 02:42
trmancoit's still an alphaSep 07 02:42
oiaohmI guess you have checked the permissions that cron can create taht schestowitzSep 07 02:42
trmancobut that's really strangeSep 07 02:42
oiaohmNot really.Sep 07 02:42
schestowitzoiaohm: no apparmorSep 07 02:42
schestowitzIt's kubuntuSep 07 02:42
trmancojust log in as rootSep 07 02:42
trmanco:-PSep 07 02:42
trmancosuSep 07 02:42
oiaohmubuntu apparmor is enabled by default even in kubuntuSep 07 02:42
oiaohmUnless you picked some other LSM to install.Sep 07 02:43
oiaohmapparmor only on services.Sep 07 02:43
schestowitzroot@roy:~# cron /home/roy/Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cronSep 07 02:43
schestowitzcron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2676: Resource temporarily unavailableSep 07 02:43
trmancotime for some shuteyeSep 07 02:43
trmancookSep 07 02:43
trmanconow that strangeSep 07 02:43
twitterahSep 07 02:44
trmancoisSep 07 02:44
trmancokill -9 2676 :-PSep 07 02:44
schestowitzoiaohm: apparmor not runningSep 07 02:44
schestowitzroot@roy:~# kill -9 2676Sep 07 02:45
schestowitzroot@roy:~# cron /home/roy/Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cronSep 07 02:45
schestowitzroot@roy:~#Sep 07 02:45
twitter"/etc/init.d/cron restart" ?Sep 07 02:45
trmancoit workedSep 07 02:45
trmanco?Sep 07 02:45
schestowitzroot@roy:~# /etc/init.d/cron restartSep 07 02:45
schestowitz * Restarting periodic command scheduler cron                            [ OK ]Sep 07 02:45
twitterthere you goSep 07 02:46
schestowitzroot@roy:~# exitSep 07 02:46
schestowitzlogoutSep 07 02:46
schestowitz┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐Sep 07 02:46
schestowitz└─(02:46 $)─> cron -lSep 07 02:46
schestowitzcron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission deniedSep 07 02:46
schestowitz┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐Sep 07 02:46
trmanco:|Sep 07 02:46
trmancosudo cronSep 07 02:46
twitterls -lh /var/run/cron.pidSep 07 02:46
twitterwhat are the permissions on it?Sep 07 02:46
trmancoonly root can rwxSep 07 02:47
schestowitzOh noSep 07 02:47
trmancoother are --- --- I guessSep 07 02:47
trmancosSep 07 02:47
schestowitzI'm an idiotSep 07 02:47
twitterhe heSep 07 02:47
schestowitzIt's crontab, I thinkSep 07 02:47
trmancohehSep 07 02:47
trmancoyes that's the fileSep 07 02:47
trmancojust use kde's task managerSep 07 02:47
schestowitzMea culpaSep 07 02:48
twitterkcron is niceSep 07 02:48
trmancoin settings tab [advanced]Sep 07 02:48
trmancoyesSep 07 02:48
schestowitzIt's not a bugSep 07 02:48
schestowitzIt's my bad memorySep 07 02:48
twittertell us what you did so we can avoid the mistakeSep 07 02:48
schestowitzIt's crontab, not cranSep 07 02:48
trmanco:)Sep 07 02:48
schestowitzI was't thinkingSep 07 02:48
twitteryou have a lot of interesting scriptsSep 07 02:48
schestowitzOne of my crons crawls BN once a daYSep 07 02:48
schestowitzmakes dumps for backupsSep 07 02:49
schestowitzThere are many other jobsSep 07 02:49
schestowitzLike revolving .sigs and doing maintenanceSep 07 02:49
twitterwell the pid file only has a number in it, what were you trying to do with it?Sep 07 02:49
trmancogn guysSep 07 02:49
twitterlater trmancoSep 07 02:49
twitterI had an idea for a pda file server.  My Zaurus has both a SD and CF card slot.Sep 07 02:51
twitterIt would be nice to find a CF USB adapter and then plug a lot of drives and devices into a USB hub.Sep 07 02:52
*schestowitz just sent a bug reportSep 07 02:52
twitterI've got a CF network card and a USB HD adapter.Sep 07 02:52
twitterA card reader for the network card and a USB network adapter or two and a few external hard drives would make a nice low power file server.Sep 07 02:54
twitterThis can be done with any PDA that has CF and a gnu/linux port.Sep 07 02:54
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_Hicham_schestowitz : what is the bug report about ?Sep 07 03:04
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twitterGrim Investments.  Bundled bets on death as the next big investment scam.  http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/09/06/wall-street-vultures-betting-on-death-if-you-die-early-they-cash-in/Sep 07 03:22
schestowitzEevrything but pgp works well now. It's always a hard oneSep 07 03:23
schestowitzI can't read encrypted mailSep 07 03:23
schestowitz└─(03:23 $)─> gpg-agentSep 07 03:23
schestowitzgpg-agent[9145]: can't connect to `/home/roy/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directorySep 07 03:23
schestowitzgpg-agent: no gpg-agent running in this sessionSep 07 03:23
twitterack, you have to move your keys.Sep 07 03:23
schestowitzYesSep 07 03:23
schestowitzI did this before, but it took a while.Sep 07 03:24
schestowitzpgp confused meSep 07 03:24
schestowitzkpgp and front ends...?Sep 07 03:24
twitter->  The rating agency involved in the ” early death investments,” DBRS, employs a “mathematics whiz” who has created computer models to manage the risk of investing in life-insurance securitizations. The risk being of course, people living longer than expected. The math wiz, Jan Buckler, also has a PH.D. in nuclear engineering and she has devised a scheme of packaging the bond instruments based on the type of disease to lowSep 07 03:24
twitternuclear engineers know pdf and cdfSep 07 03:24
twittergpg is what you are looking forSep 07 03:25
twitterkgpg might pull the rest inSep 07 03:26
schestowitzI found gpaSep 07 03:26
twitterhave you coppied your .gnupg ?Sep 07 03:26
twitterthe package is called gnupg2 in LennySep 07 03:27
schestowitzgpg command line and output:Sep 07 03:28
schestowitz/usr/bin/gpgSep 07 03:28
schestowitzgpg: gpg-agent is not available in this sessionSep 07 03:28
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 03:28
schestowitzgpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ...Sep 07 03:28
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 03:28
schestowitzgpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ...Sep 07 03:28
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 03:28
schestowitzYes, I copied .gnupgSep 07 03:28
schestowitzThe keys are here, but gpg-agent won't goSep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg: public key decryption failed: bad passphraseSep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg: decryption failed: secret key not availableSep 07 03:29
twitterwhat mail client?Sep 07 03:29
schestowitzAnother one:Sep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg command line and output:Sep 07 03:29
schestowitz/usr/bin/gpgSep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg: gpg-agent is not available in this sessionSep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ...Sep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ...Sep 07 03:29
schestowitzgpg: can't query passphrase in batch modeSep 07 03:29
schestowitztwitter: either kde or thunderbird+enigmailSep 07 03:29
twitterhave you installed gnupg-agent?Sep 07 03:30
schestowitzAh. Got it in KDE!Sep 07 03:30
schestowitzJust needed to restart appSep 07 03:30
twitter:-DSep 07 03:30
twitterlet us know how kmail is in 4.3Sep 07 03:31
schestowitzgnupg-agent?Sep 07 03:32
schestowitzor gpg-agent?Sep 07 03:32
schestowitzgnupg-agent seems liike metapackage or somethingSep 07 03:32
schestowitzIs it a daemon?Sep 07 03:33
twitterI don't know.  It just turned up an an apt-cache search and your error messages.Sep 07 03:34
twitterno need, now that it's working.Sep 07 03:35
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/gpg-gpg-agent-cant-connect-to-root.gnupgs.gpg-agent-611843/Sep 07 03:36
schestowitz"I use GPG, bit not the agent. It turns out that S.gpg-agent is a socket (not a file which is what the touch command creates). The gpg-agent listens to gpg, intercepts requests for passphrases and supplies the info so you don't have to type your passphrase all the time."Sep 07 03:37
schestowitz└─(03:44 $)─> gpg-agentSep 07 03:44
schestowitzgpg-agent: gpg-agent running and availableSep 07 03:44
twitterinteresting.Sep 07 03:48
twitterHere's something funny.  There's nothing M$ on the google science/tech news page.Sep 07 03:49
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schestowitzSolvedSep 07 03:52
schestowitzProblem: enigmail settingsSep 07 03:52
schestowitzWas set to "never ask for passphrase"Sep 07 03:52
schestowitzThere's not much going on in my version of igal.  I've tried a few times to Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzmake it so it finds movies but always give up because other things are more Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzpressing.  I did make a few sizing modifications so that all thumbnails are Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzalways sized down, not up that I'm happy with.  Needless to say, you have to Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzinstall the igal package for my copy of igal to work.Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzthe igal_list program is what I really like and I use this trick a lot.  It Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzsaves my options and I feed it with find, list cats and that kind of thing.  Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzI have a few "general_rep" programs where the command is the first argument Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzbut I don't use that as much.  Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzMy over all photo organization is all by hand.  Everything now goes into a Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzchron directory, which is divided by year.  I make indexes and subdirectories Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzusing symlinks and custom index pages with bluefish.  Nothing is automated Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzbecause I only organize things around themes I think others might be Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzinterested in.  My photo collection is slowly becoming a blog of sorts.  Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzI'm sure these are crude and well known techniques, but I thought I'd share Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzanyway.  They work well for me. Sep 07 03:53
schestowitzCould be said publiclySep 07 03:53
schestowitzI put my scripts online on my siteSep 07 03:54
schestowitzI usually put my code there for spiders to those looking for itSep 07 03:54
schestowitzYou should upload these modifications tooSep 07 03:54
balzacschestowitz: what's the latest bad news for Microsoft?Sep 07 03:58
twitterhow about a WGA spyware lawsuit?  http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/04/microsoft.sued.over.wga/Sep 07 03:58
twitterDon't know how I missed that one.Sep 07 03:58
twitter->  Microsoft this week was sued in a Washington district court for allegedly violating privacy laws through Windows XP's Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) copy protection scheme.  Similar to cases filed in 2006, the new class action case accuses Microsoft of falsely representing what information WGA would send to verify the authenticity of Windows and that it would send back information that could be traced back to individual users.Sep 07 03:59
balzacsweetSep 07 03:59
schestowitzbalzac: tons of it tomorrowSep 07 03:59
schestowitzI didn't post todaySep 07 03:59
balzacsweetSep 07 03:59
schestowitzBusy upgradingSep 07 03:59
twitter->  the authentication system is said to provide daily information on the user's IP address and other details that could be used to trace information back to an individual homeSep 07 03:59
balzaca Labor Day specialSep 07 03:59
schestowitzI have about 9 posts comingSep 07 04:00
balzacfor all the IT workers Microsoft puts the screws toSep 07 04:00
schestowitzLabour Day?Sep 07 04:00
schestowitzTomorrow??Sep 07 04:00
balzacright?Sep 07 04:00
schestowitzHoliday tomorrow in the US?Sep 07 04:00
balzacsome celebrate on the first Monday of September.Sep 07 04:00
balzacyepSep 07 04:01
balzacmay 1st some placesSep 07 04:01
balzaci guess Americans want to avoid sharing the same day with May DaySep 07 04:01
balzacout of anti-communist sentimentSep 07 04:01
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twitterThere are two other WGA spyware lawsuits.  http://slashdot.org/submission/1067793/Lawsuit-Claims-WGA-is-SpywareSep 07 04:24
schestowitzGoodSep 07 04:25
schestowitzThat'll give me time to catch upSep 07 04:25
schestowitzAnother US holiday to some (long weekend)Sep 07 04:25
schestowitztwitter: yes, I have a post about it comingSep 07 04:25
schestowitzI drafted it today while paritioningSep 07 04:25
twitter:)Sep 07 04:25
schestowitz3:30am here. gnSep 07 04:25
twitterthat is late.Sep 07 04:26
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schestowitzWe need op vs the trollsSep 07 04:26
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schestowitzbyeSep 07 04:26
twitterfun, but I don't know how to work it.Sep 07 04:27
twittermight kick myself by accident.Sep 07 04:27
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Willtwitter, do you happen to know where I might find an archive of the Best Buy slides?  Preferrably high quality and easily readable?Sep 07 05:06
twitter1just go to the presentationSep 07 05:06
twitter1http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.htmlSep 07 05:07
Willtwitter: that's why I asked. Photobucket bandwidth exceededSep 07 05:07
twitter1oh dear, photobucket bustedSep 07 05:07
twitter1next time, they should use bayimgSep 07 05:08
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Willanyone have copies?Sep 07 05:08
twitter1I did not bother.Sep 07 05:09
Will:(Sep 07 05:09
twitter1sorrySep 07 05:09
WillI hadn't expected the pictures to go under so soon.Sep 07 05:09
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twitter1me neither.  I wonder if they got a DMCA notice.Sep 07 05:10
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twitter1I might have thumbnails still up on a page.  They were readable too.Sep 07 05:11
WillIf it's ok to do so, it would be good to have this stuff mirrored at bn.Sep 07 05:11
Willtwitter:  found at end of the article: http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.htmlSep 07 05:12
twitter1don't have it.  Check your browser cache.Sep 07 05:14
Willproblem solved.Sep 07 05:15
WillI think that was an innocent photobucket problem, but I'd hate to see such quality stuff just disappear.Sep 07 05:18
twitter1right.  good of them.Sep 07 05:20
__ctrmanco: whoops, sorry, I seem to have overlooked a question from you.  It's because of statements like ".Net? No thanks" and "I don't need .Net or any fancy web service."Sep 07 05:22
__ctrmanco: I'm happy to be proved incorrect, though ^_^.Sep 07 05:22
twitter1lol http://bayimg.com/HAddaaACiSep 07 05:39
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Willtwitter1: nice picSep 07 05:56
twitter1I don't know who did it.  Very funny.Sep 07 05:57
twitter1He's got more of the face people in these corporate meetings really have.Sep 07 05:58
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WillI've got more MS channel propaganda for schestowitz, this time from Staples:Sep 07 06:46
Willhttp://ixnotes.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/microsoft-propaganda-handed-out-to-staples-employees/Sep 07 06:46
WillThis "training" goes after the full triple threat: Linux, netbooks, and Macs.Sep 07 06:47
Diablo-D3why the fuck does microsoft hate netbooks?Sep 07 06:51
Diablo-D3they could reprint xp embedded as "7 micro" or "7 nano" or "7 bill gates's cock"Sep 07 06:51
Diablo-D3fucking idiots and their allergy to moneySep 07 06:52
Diablo-D3and yes, for those playing at home, I did infact list SI prefixes in order of size, largest to smallestSep 07 06:52
cubezzzallergy to money? Gates?Sep 07 06:54
Diablo-D3cubezzz: have you seen microsoft's stupidity lately?Sep 07 06:55
cubezzzperhaps notSep 07 06:55
Diablo-D3all these oppertunities to make moneySep 07 06:55
Diablo-D3and they pass them all upSep 07 06:55
WillNetbooks kill MS margins, and they provide a dangerous potential vector for greater Linux adoption.Sep 07 06:55
Diablo-D3Will: see what I wrote aboveSep 07 06:56
cubezzzwell, I think part of it would be XP and newer windows would run very slow on a netbook, hence Microsoft wants everyone to make beefier netbooksSep 07 06:56
cubezzzless powerful netbooks are for the chopSep 07 06:56
WillDiablo-D3 : right, but they'd have to give it away for a song.Sep 07 06:57
Willotherwise the OEMS might start looking at Linux.Sep 07 06:57
Willunless backroom deals restrict them there.Sep 07 06:57
Willwhich is likely.Sep 07 06:57
cubezzzare you ixnotes Diablo-D3?Sep 07 06:57
Diablo-D3cubezzz: who or what is ixnotes?Sep 07 06:58
Diablo-D3Will: they could give it away for next to freeSep 07 06:58
Diablo-D3and just kill linuxSep 07 06:58
Diablo-D3microsoft needs to learn how to play the gameSep 07 06:58
cubezzzlooks like another blog about Linux and MicrosoftSep 07 06:59
WillThey're having a hard enough time getting people of XP as it is.Sep 07 06:59
Diablo-D3Will: thats why they failSep 07 06:59
Diablo-D3if XP works so damned well for a lot of people, just sell XP to them againSep 07 07:00
cubezzzyeah, I think this really is the beginning of the end of their dominanceSep 07 07:00
WillDiablo-D3: agreed there.Sep 07 07:00
Diablo-D3XP embedded is basically perfect for small scale machinesSep 07 07:00
Diablo-D3just sell it again under the 7 brand and instant profitSep 07 07:01
Diablo-D3but hey, if microsoft wants to give ANOTHER market to linux, thats up to themSep 07 07:01
Diablo-D3they already lost the enterprise war eons agoSep 07 07:01
Diablo-D3(enterprise == largest computer market of them all)Sep 07 07:01
cubezzzno source code though, re: XP embeddedSep 07 07:02
cubezzzat least not without an NDASep 07 07:02
WillThat Apple ad above marketing vs. fixing Vista really nailed it.Sep 07 07:02
Wills/above/aboutSep 07 07:02
WillIt's no longer about improvement.  It's all about flashy marketing and lipstick nowSep 07 07:03
cubezzzI don't think MIcrosoft is even very goodSep 07 07:03
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cubezzzexcept they are decent at MarketingSep 07 07:03
cubezzzthe product itself is not that appealingSep 07 07:04
Willbut most people don't know any better.Sep 07 07:08
WillOr they are too scared to peak over the Microsoft wall.Sep 07 07:09
WillWe can give people the "red pill", but we can't (nor should we) force it down their throat.Sep 07 07:10
cubezzzthe switchover is starting thoughSep 07 07:11
cubezzzspreading not into the stores, but online and word of mouthSep 07 07:15
WillI've seen more happen in the last 3 years than in the 10 before that.Sep 07 07:15
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WillHonestly I wouldn't have predicted this much progress back in 2005.Sep 07 07:16
cubezzzI've shown a number of people Fedora 10, and setup dual boot with XP on their laptopsSep 07 07:17
WillI won't try to predict a timeline, but I do think, unless MS radically changes for real, the downfall will slowly accelerate as it continues.Sep 07 07:17
cubezzzPalm Pre is linux based and Bell is flogging it big-time here in CanadaSep 07 07:18
Willcubezzz: always keep Office in mind.  People that might not be ready to switch their operating system might still be open to OpenOffice for Windows.  If they like it, that's more money in their pocket (not in MS's pocket), and one less barrier if they switch to Linux later on.Sep 07 07:19
Willcubezzz: I've heard those stories about the Pre phoning home on its users.  Haven't investigated it to get to the details since I'm not looking to buy a Pre though.Sep 07 07:20
cubezzzWill, unfortunately a lot of people complain about OpenOffice and to a lesser degree xpdfSep 07 07:20
cubezzzi.e. xpdf has trouble with some documents, ditto for OOSep 07 07:21
cubezzzwell, yeah it's a phone... I want a Linux pda not a phoneSep 07 07:21
cubezzzeveryone seems to want to see phonesSep 07 07:22
cubezzzsellSep 07 07:22
WillI mean phoning home about your app usage pattern, possibly gps location, etc.Sep 07 07:22
Willwith no way to turn that off.  But again, I haven't looked into it closely.Sep 07 07:22
*cubezzz nodsSep 07 07:23
cubezzzit's good to know if it doesSep 07 07:23
Willhttp://www.intomobile.com/2009/08/12/palm-pre-phones-home-with-user-location-data.htmlSep 07 07:23
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Willcubezzz: about OpenOffice, stuff like that can happen, but fortunately, open source software on average usually improves over time, so sooner or later OpenOffice may fix those specific issues.Sep 07 07:26
WillThe OO of about 6 years ago was completely unusable next to MS Office.  Now, I feel comfortable suggesting it as an option.Sep 07 07:27
Will(Especially after watching first-hand some spectacular MS Office failures.  I've seen documents and presentations made on one computer with Office 2007 get completely mangled beyond legibility when projected from a different computer running Office 2007)Sep 07 07:29
twitter1Byfield is mouthing off again.  http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3837581Sep 07 07:30
twitter1He seems unaware of KDE usability studies that consistently show KDE being more efficient for users than Windows.Sep 07 07:31
twitter1Lower number of mouse clicks and less time to complete given tasks, especially for people with less "computer" or Windows experience.Sep 07 07:32
twitter1He also seems unaware of many specialized applications that deliver much of the functionality of command line interfaces.Sep 07 07:32
cubezzzcompare a 256 meg Fedora with a 256 meg XPSep 07 07:33
cubezzzXP would be just about unusableSep 07 07:33
twitter1no, he's talking about interfaces with all other things being equal - give the poor XP more RAM.Sep 07 07:34
twitter1for instance, he bemoans file managers, " you get file managers, for instance, that have less than a third of the functionality of basic commands like cp or mv."Sep 07 07:34
twitter1That's silly.  Konqueror has krename as an option, which delivers all sorts of function to move and copy operations.Sep 07 07:35
WillSo... wait a minute.  Linux "isn't ready for the desktop" because "people have to use the command line too much"... and now Linux "is loosing its way/going in the wrong direction" because people don't have to use the command line anymore???Sep 07 07:37
twitter1It is true that some people mistake GUIs the way he's talking, but it's clear that not everyone falls into that trap and there are great utilities available in the free software world.Sep 07 07:37
twitter1I think his main gripe is that Gnome is stupid.Sep 07 07:37
twitter1BB is subtle FUD.Sep 07 07:37
twitter1He throws mud on everyone and ignores the strength of free software, such as I have mentioned above.Sep 07 07:38
twitter1The fact of the matter is that a GUI is supposed to be simplified but never limiting.Sep 07 07:38
twitter1KDE has done a very good job of exposing power without creating clutter that defeats efficiencySep 07 07:39
twitter1BB misses this somehow in his griping.Sep 07 07:39
cubezzznot to mention you have all the source code and can write your own windows manager :)Sep 07 07:39
WillWith Gnome, he might have a point.  With KDE... even the kitchen sink has a kitchen sink thrown in.Sep 07 07:39
cubezzzGnome is OKSep 07 07:39
WillI've been using Gnome ever since the KDE 4 switch.  It's not quite as configurable as KDE, but I haven't found it particularly constricting... the newer releases anyway.Sep 07 07:41
cubezzzit's good to know a few different operating systemsSep 07 07:41
WillStill biding my time to switch back to KDE, my first Linux DE.Sep 07 07:41
twitter1Gnome is OK.  It bugs me but it works.Sep 07 07:42
WillWell, it's kinda like my experience with OSX.  It has a nice, shiny interface.  And it usually stays out of the way and lets you get things done.  But it is what it is; take it wholesale or leave it.  You have all kinds of choices with Linux.  Some people like choice, others like to have choices made for them.Sep 07 07:44
twitter1BB goes on to whine about hidden information as if software where you can get the source code is hiding anything.Sep 07 07:44
twitter1documentation of software on free systems is first rate, even for Gnome.  Just use man.Sep 07 07:45
twitter1the answers come up.Sep 07 07:45
Willman is excellent.Sep 07 07:46
twitter1The most annoying parts of BB's argument is this, "usability in free software still needs improvement," as if there's something better out there.Sep 07 07:48
twitter1There isn't.Sep 07 07:48
Willtwitter1: being able to see the source code is good, but I'd never want that to be the first/only place to look for documentation.Sep 07 07:49
twitter1Well, of course it is not, but no one can claim that free software authors hide anything.Sep 07 07:50
WilltrueSep 07 07:50
twitter1First there's they program's menus, then it's help, then man pages and documentation that comes with the distro, and finally source code which is authoritative.Sep 07 07:51
Will(although some perl authors can probably come close) ;)Sep 07 07:51
twitter1even obfuscated, code does not lie.Sep 07 07:51
Willjoking, jokingSep 07 07:51
twitter1Obfuscated C contests are very interesting.Sep 07 07:52
twitter1BB often writes these "Linux is chasing commercial software's tail lights articles."Sep 07 07:53
twitter1This last one is pretty bad.Sep 07 07:53
twitter1here's an interesting distro http://www.tuxradar.com/content/how-be-anonymous-online-incognitoSep 07 07:54
twitter1It is worth looking at to see how it configures things.Sep 07 07:54
__cheh, I also loved the IOCCC.  I wonder what's happened to that ...Sep 07 07:56
Willperl poetry is fun too.Sep 07 07:56
WillIt compiles in both perl and english.Sep 07 07:57
MinceRcompiles in english? :>Sep 07 07:57
__cWill: definitely, I've got this awesome JAPH shirt with "DNA" written all down the right-hand-sleeve.  When run, it prints out "Just Another Perl Hacker" ;).Sep 07 07:57
__cLooks really good.Sep 07 07:58
Willbye allSep 07 08:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] A Funny Movie About The Battle Between Microsoft And Open Source in Arabia. http://bit.ly/36qQfuSep 07 09:18
Omar87Hi all.Sep 07 09:19
Omar87You gotta watch that video! :)Sep 07 09:19
schestowitzOmar87: hah.Sep 07 09:36
__cOmar87: mmm, too slow.  Jordanian cinema has something to learn about timing ;).Sep 07 09:38
Omar87schestowitz: What?Sep 07 09:39
Omar87__c: True.Sep 07 09:39
Omar87__c: Jordanian cinema still has a very long marathonic road to walk.Sep 07 09:40
Omar87__c: Did you watch it all?Sep 07 09:41
__cOmar87: half-way through, got bored, stopped.Sep 07 09:44
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__cOmar87: I could see where it was going, but taking 12 minutes to say that both sides take each other (and themselves) *waaay* too seriously shouldn't take 12.x minutes ^_^Sep 07 09:45
satiperaInteresting article on intellectual monopolies  and potential changing attitudes. Especially last two paragraphs of page 2. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Sudeshna-Sen/Pirates-Party-to-defend-non-commercial-file-sharing/articleshow/4979871.cms?curpg=2Sep 07 09:46
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schestowitzGoldman sued over AIG sublease deal http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20090827/FREE/908279975Sep 07 09:48
__cI'm down with the notion "They say that no artist should need 50 or 70 odd years for commercial success".  That's always seemed ludicrous to me.Sep 07 09:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Extreme LED sheep herding: Freakin' awesome. Now that's art! http://bit.ly/hHGdk I love the pong.Sep 07 09:49
schestowitzI wrote about KDE: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/09/07/im-in-love-kde-4-3-1/Sep 07 10:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some notes about my experiences with KDE4: http://ping.fm/K3iWl #kde !kdeSep 07 10:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: "Working Around blip.tv Video Conversion Failures" - http://bit.ly/T7ew4Sep 07 10:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Microsoft. Apple, TiVo, IBM, and Lots More http://ping.fm/Ny6R5Sep 07 10:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Delays in Vista 7 and Other Windows Setbacks http://ping.fm/LEgEoSep 07 10:59
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Omar87__c: I totally agree.Sep 07 11:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The New Ubersoft http://ping.fm/zjqUvSep 07 11:13
Omar87__c: One thing however, that I really disliked about this video is that it doesn't take things seriously. It's just silly pointless humorous video.Sep 07 11:14
schestowitzOmar87: are you finding typos in BN?Sep 07 11:24
schestowitzI've made extra efforts since you last checked.Sep 07 11:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Still in Court for Failure with Xbox 360 http://ping.fm/G7SrySep 07 11:25
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft, the Broadcasting Company http://ping.fm/BR510Sep 07 11:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] popular science *should* have this effect on people http://is.gd/2ZrxPSep 07 11:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Fall of Microsoft Office and the Rise of FOSS vs SaaS Wars http://ping.fm/tJ6e3Sep 07 12:20
schestowitzhttp://linuxologist.com/advocacy/microsofts-best-buy-lies-about-linux-debunked/Sep 07 12:22
schestowitztake a look^Sep 07 12:22
tessierschestowitz: Are you currently using any sort of caching on bn such as http://ocaoimh.ie/wp-super-cache/ ?Sep 07 12:24
schestowitzYesSep 07 12:24
schestowitzwp-cacheSep 07 12:25
schestowitzLet me recheckSep 07 12:25
schestowitzI have supercahce installed, but I enable another plugin for itSep 07 12:25
schestowitz"1269 cached pages"Sep 07 12:25
schestowitzI can increase the #s to lower server load at the expense of how up to date it isSep 07 12:26
tessierHow long are you currently caching for?Sep 07 12:26
tessierIn what file are these settings defined?Sep 07 12:26
trmancogmSep 07 12:32
tessierOdd that the server is using so much cpu time and hitting mysql so hard. It has always been like this.Sep 07 12:35
tessierI'm not sure what it is doing.Sep 07 12:35
tessierRequests per second:    262.96 [#/sec] (mean)Sep 07 12:41
tessierThat is for a cached url. So the cached url's really fly. Something is uncached and hitting the db hard. That is our biggest bottleneck and makes the site vulnerable.Sep 07 12:42
trmancomay I suggest something?Sep 07 12:45
oiaohmJust suggest it trmanco worst we can do is LOL.Sep 07 12:47
trmancotry removing unnecessarily widgets like the calender, remove one of those rating plugins (why use two?) and maybe limit the number of news posts that appear in each postSep 07 12:51
tessierYes, that probably has something to do with it. Roy will have to make any such changes. I don't really know anything about wordpress. I'm just poking around wondering what can be done to make the site more resilient.Sep 07 12:53
tessierAnd now it is 4am. Time to get some sleep. goodnight all.Sep 07 12:54
schestowitztessier: thanks, we'll work on itSep 07 12:54
trmancogood nightSep 07 12:54
schestowitztessier: I cache for 10 hoursSep 07 12:54
trmancoother than that, a cache plugin will doSep 07 12:54
schestowitztessier: this is defined in the DB (wordpress plugin)Sep 07 12:55
tessier10 hours is surely sufficient. Something isn't getting cached though.Sep 07 12:55
trmancobut the sire looks pretty light to meSep 07 12:55
schestowitzIt makes static copies of pagesSep 07 12:55
tessierYes, I saw the cache directory.Sep 07 12:55
schestowitztessier: that is odd indeedSep 07 12:55
schestowitzWe have about 300 mysql queries/sec before caching was put in placeSep 07 12:55
schestowitzTHat took it down to like 75 in AprilSep 07 12:56
tessierwp-cache-config contains a line like $cache_acceptable_files =Sep 07 12:56
tessierI wonder if there isn't something that needs to be added to that to cache some other functionality on the site.Sep 07 12:56
trmancosuper cache may be more efficientSep 07 12:57
trmancoI use that oneSep 07 12:57
tessierEven 75 per second seems high to me. The slow query log contains a number of large joins and other things too.Sep 07 12:57
schestowitztrmanco: ratings are cached tooSep 07 12:57
schestowitzSO they are not a big issue afaikSep 07 12:57
trmancoare you sure?Sep 07 12:57
schestowitzI'll switch over to suprcacheSep 07 12:57
trmancowhen one clicks, it has to query the dbSep 07 12:57
tessierTons of stuff like select p.comment_ID as ID, count(l.record_id) as counter from wp_comments p left join wp_gdsr_votes_log l on l.id = p.commentSep 07 12:58
tessier_ID and l.vote_type = 'cmmthumb' and ip = '121.54.32.35' where p.comment_ID in (66614, 66615, 66616, 66618, 66622, 66630, 666Sep 07 12:58
schestowitztrmanco: yes, but not when pulling a page from the serverSep 07 12:58
tessier34, 66638, 66703, 66708, 66738, 66755, 66769, 66780, 66781, 66784, 66787, 66797, 66830, 66831, 66832) group by p.comment_ID;Sep 07 12:58
tessierin the slow query logSep 07 12:58
schestowitzpush vs pullSep 07 12:58
trmanconormally it won't put extra load on your server when loaded because it's javascript, but it does put some load when somebody votes/ratesSep 07 12:58
schestowitztessier: there was something slow about pages with many commentsSep 07 12:59
schestowitzI noticed it before and it's a matter of bad coding I thinkSep 07 12:59
tessierAnyway, have fun. Goodnight.Sep 07 12:59
schestowitztessier: thanks a lotSep 07 12:59
schestowitzWe'll figure it out, for sureSep 07 12:59
trmancoit might be that threading plugin?Sep 07 13:00
schestowitzTrimming is simple once we find the cause, which is likely plug-in related (on/off)Sep 07 13:00
schestowitztrmanco: quite.Sep 07 13:00
schestowitzI use some Chinese pluginSep 07 13:00
trmancoor maybe the rattings in the commentsSep 07 13:00
trmancoratings*Sep 07 13:00
schestowitzBefore WordPress had native support for threadingSep 07 13:00
trmancowordpress has it's own threading system but you will need to make some heavy theme changes for it to workSep 07 13:01
trmancoit doesSep 07 13:01
Diablo-D3lol php threadsSep 07 13:01
schestowitzThe issue os previous threadsSep 07 13:01
schestowitzIf I drop the plugin for WordPress' built-in, it will lose the tree structure in older threadsSep 07 13:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Front Group with Microsoft Employees Joins Coalition Against Google http://ping.fm/OBGhgSep 07 13:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] making sausage casserole whilst sophie jumps on the bouncy castle some moreSep 07 13:05
trmancoit mightSep 07 13:08
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schestowitzHey, wallclimber Sep 07 13:25
schestowitzI was just writing about UtahSep 07 13:25
wallclimbergood morning!Sep 07 13:25
schestowitzIs it holiday over there?Sep 07 13:25
wallclimberwhat's happening in utah?Sep 07 13:25
wallclimberyes, it's Labor Day today, a three-day weekend...yay!Sep 07 13:25
wallclimberi've been very very lazy for the last two daysSep 07 13:26
schestowitzGreat.Sep 07 13:29
schestowitzThis gives me time to catch upSep 07 13:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Lays Off More Employees Across the US, But Hires Near SCO http://ping.fm/HYjYJSep 07 13:29
schestowitzI have your mail still "unread"Sep 07 13:29
schestowitzwallclimber: tried kde 4.3 yet? It's great.Sep 07 13:30
schestowitzEven trmanco likes it, and he's a longtime gnomerSep 07 13:30
wallclimberI tried it a few months back and had a rather bad experience with it.  I've decided to wait until after October to try again.Sep 07 13:31
wallclimberi'd definitely like to move away from gnomeSep 07 13:31
wallclimberif i canSep 07 13:32
wallclimberso microsoft's hiring in SCO-land?  that figures...Sep 07 13:32
oiaohmKDE is starting to enter stable state again.Sep 07 13:42
wallclimberwhat i've seen of kde looks beautiful.Sep 07 13:48
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wallclimbermy experience a couple of months ago didn't discourage me from trying again.Sep 07 13:49
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oiaohmI would say KDE 4.2 is not exaclty nice wallclimberSep 07 13:52
oiaohmLot of bug removal went into 4.3 and features returned.Sep 07 13:53
wallclimberwhy do you say that?Sep 07 13:53
oiaohmI have run both.Sep 07 13:53
oiaohmI had lot more seg faults and other evils with 4.2Sep 07 13:53
wallclimberi see, yes, i believe you're rightSep 07 13:54
wallclimberthat's why i decided to wait.  i like trying new things, but sometimes don't have the time to work out problemsSep 07 13:55
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schestowitzwallclimber: yes, many features resorted nowSep 07 13:56
schestowitzAlso many widgetsSep 07 13:56
wallclimberi love widgetsSep 07 13:56
schestowitzIt's like KDE3 just a lot faster, less memory hungry (in my case), and prettierSep 07 13:56
wallclimberi'm looking forward to trying it againSep 07 13:57
schestowitzI've just changed from Air to PlasmaSep 07 13:59
schestowitzKDE looks SO goodSep 07 13:59
wallclimberare you using mandriva?Sep 07 13:59
schestowitzI still can't do wallpaper slideshowSep 07 14:01
schestowitzUnless I'm missing itSep 07 14:01
schestowitzwallclimber: no, kubuntu 9.10Sep 07 14:01
wallclimberkubuntu is what i tried a while back.  it looks really nice, but for some reason it just didn't work well, i wish i'd had more time to work with itSep 07 14:02
wallclimberi tried it on impulse last time, next time i'll plan betterSep 07 14:03
schestowitzHopefully this function will be resotredSep 07 14:05
schestowitzI like it when the wallpapers change every 5 minutesSep 07 14:06
schestowitzAlso, I noticed that each monitor can now be assigned its own wallpaperSep 07 14:06
wallclimberi've been considering hooking up a second monitor to my main work machine.  have never tried that before, it looks like it could be really helpful to have more visual space for my work toolsSep 07 14:07
oiaohmI am waiting for the change to multi touch.Sep 07 14:08
oiaohmThings are going to get interesting in the interfaces over the next 12 months.Sep 07 14:09
wallclimbermulti touch is mostly for laptops, yes?Sep 07 14:09
oiaohmSome tablets for computer also support it wallclimberSep 07 14:09
schestowitzwallclimber: yes, give dual-head a goSep 07 14:10
wallclimberlike wacom?Sep 07 14:10
schestowitzIf your GPU supports itSep 07 14:10
schestowitzEven use an old CRT for itSep 07 14:10
schestowitzPut it to good useSep 07 14:10
wallclimberinterestingSep 07 14:10
oiaohmNot all watcoms wallclimberSep 07 14:10
schestowitzLinux voice dictation might be worth somethingSep 07 14:11
oiaohmBasically we are going into a interface change.  Were we end up could be interesting.Sep 07 14:11
wallclimberi have a very old, very worn wacom...poor old thing has been used to death...i shall miss it when it's gone.  not sure i can afford a new one thoSep 07 14:11
schestowitzBut it seems useful in mobile devices where input is tricky, esp. on the moveSep 07 14:11
oiaohmReally I have not found voice dictation that works for me.Sep 07 14:11
oiaohmOther than humans.Sep 07 14:11
oiaohmMulti touch support is being looked at for 3d tools.  Blender already has a patch for it.Sep 07 14:12
__cgrr @ blenderSep 07 14:12
__cFrankly, I wish the blasted thing would hurry up and dieSep 07 14:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Microsoft Sponsors Events Only to Crash Them http://ping.fm/mjNGISep 07 14:12
__cMake way for something better...Sep 07 14:12
oiaohm__c Blender is not going to die.Sep 07 14:13
oiaohmBut its interface is going to change.Sep 07 14:13
*__c suspects thisSep 07 14:13
wallclimberi have blender installed, but haven't done more than read a few tutorials.Sep 07 14:13
oiaohmTo something reprogramable on fly __cSep 07 14:13
__cI'll be really, really, really happy with that.  It's UI is the most crippling rubbish I've seen in a while.Sep 07 14:13
schestowitzHmmmmmm.... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=kde4+wallpaper+slideshow&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Sep 07 14:13
__cBlender itself is great.  But I'd rather use POVRay than that hideous interface...Sep 07 14:14
oiaohmhttp://www.blender.org/development/current-projects/blender-25-project/  << __cSep 07 14:14
oiaohmYes too much time for years was spent on adding features with no time spent on interface and it showed __cSep 07 14:15
schestowitzhttp://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9248 http://forum.compiz.org/showthread.php?t=11458Sep 07 14:15
schestowitzAha!!!Sep 07 14:15
schestowitzFound itSep 07 14:15
schestowitzHidden (folded) option 0Sep 07 14:15
wallclimber:)Sep 07 14:15
schestowitzIt's all thereSep 07 14:15
schestowitzI remember the option in kde 3.1Sep 07 14:15
schestowitzit was a cluttered guiSep 07 14:16
schestowitzThey tidied up in 3.3 and 3.5Sep 07 14:16
schestowitzNow it's a lot smaller (the gui) with complexity hidden awaySep 07 14:16
oiaohm__c you make one of the most common mistakes.  Lot of people call for project to die to make way.   Some cases it just needs a major interface fix up.Sep 07 14:17
schestowitzSo cool! There are gradient transitions!Sep 07 14:17
schestowitzEvery 10 seconds !! [me excited]Sep 07 14:17
wallclimberlolSep 07 14:18
__coiaohm: mmm, true.  I was only half-serious when I said it; if the new interface works intuitively enough, I could try my hardest to forget the trauma of the past ^_^.Sep 07 14:18
oiaohmThe new interface truely can be recoded on the fly __cSep 07 14:23
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oiaohmSo its not like any other tool you have ever used.   menus keyboard short cuts the lot __cSep 07 14:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My mind is still blown by how polished and feature-rich #kde has become in kde 4.3. It's a must-try for everyone.Sep 07 14:23
__coiaohm: you use blender often?Sep 07 14:24
oiaohmBlender is now basically 100 percent interface skinable.Sep 07 14:24
oiaohmYes for some parts rendering.Sep 07 14:24
oiaohmI will like the means to align keyboard short cuts with the other tools I use.Sep 07 14:25
oiaohmLess god darn typos.Sep 07 14:25
__coiaohm: then I defer to your judgment.  I would settle for simple usability, much like almost every 3D package on Windows has.  If they put in sensible defaults, I would take great pleasure from NOT redesigning the interface.Sep 07 14:26
__cThere's another package I've used on Linux that is awesome, I can't remember it's name.Sep 07 14:26
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oiaohmNo 3d package out the has aligned short cuts.Sep 07 14:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @schestowitz: My mind is still blown by how polished and feature-rich #kde has become in kde 4.3. It's a must-try for everyone.Sep 07 14:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz yes, it is rather good :-) finally release quality ;-)Sep 07 14:26
oiaohmOr interface style __cSep 07 14:27
oiaohmmaya is not much better than blender.Sep 07 14:27
__cAhhh!  That's it.  Wings3D.  Now there's an interface that is intuitive enough.Sep 07 14:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox Mozilla Mockups for version 4 http://ping.fm/GahkaSep 07 14:28
oiaohmBlender after the change could be skined to have the same interface __cSep 07 14:32
oiaohmWings3d lacks a lot of features blender has.Sep 07 14:32
schestowitztrmanco: alt+t,b works in knode in kde4Sep 07 14:33
schestowitzI've just checkedSep 07 14:33
schestowitzSame as prior versionsSep 07 14:33
trmancogrrSep 07 14:34
trmancoI have lack of experienceSep 07 14:34
trmancowhat do you mean by t,b?Sep 07 14:34
__coiaohm: yes, it does.  But here's the thing: I'd rather use an intuitive GUI tool than a powerful, but non-intuitive one.  It's the same with most GUI applications.Sep 07 14:36
__cIf Blender can have the same interface, that would be incredibly pleasant.  More power to them.Sep 07 14:36
oiaohmBasically no one could decide what the replacement interface should be like __cSep 07 14:37
oiaohmSo they took the universal solution.Sep 07 14:37
wallclimber"universal solutions" - that's an awesome way to do thingsSep 07 14:38
schestowitzkde is like rediscovering my gpu and cpu (even ram).Sep 07 14:38
schestowitzHow can a desktop so much rich be so much lighter?Sep 07 14:38
schestowitztrmanco: alt+TSep 07 14:39
schestowitzThen a menu opensSep 07 14:39
schestowitzpress bSep 07 14:39
schestowitzI do lots of these tricks when there's no direct kb acceleratorSep 07 14:39
schestowitzalt+T+p to pgp-sign messagesSep 07 14:39
trmancoyesSep 07 14:39
trmancobut how do I put text in it?Sep 07 14:40
schestowitzOtherwise I need the mouseSep 07 14:40
schestowitztrmanco: highlight the text firstSep 07 14:40
trmancotext from anywhere?Sep 07 14:41
schestowitzYes, the one you want to be inside the boxSep 07 14:41
schestowitzThe system monitors for kde4 panels are wonderfulSep 07 14:44
schestowitzinclude cpu scaling and net-monitors. kde3 didn't have these by defaultSep 07 14:44
schestowitz Mulesoft (Formerly MuleSource) Launches Public Beta of Tcat Server http://www.mulesoft.com/mulesoft-formerly-mulesource-launches-public-beta-tcat-serverSep 07 14:45
schestowitzMergers: Commission opens in-depth investigation into proposed takeover of Sun Microsystems by Oracle http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/09/1271&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=enSep 07 14:46
trmancoI can't get the text in the boxSep 07 14:46
trmanco:|Sep 07 14:46
trmancoand if I copy and paste into the box it wont expandSep 07 14:46
schestowitzNot FOSS - > MySQL Founders Invest In Cross-Platform Tech Provider Mobile Sorcery http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009/09/02/mysql-founders-invest-in-cross-platform-tech-provider-mobile-sorcery/Sep 07 14:47
schestowitzThe box just puts a pipe in the first lineSep 07 14:48
schestowitzThen you need to go line by line hitting enterSep 07 14:48
schestowitzIt adds the pipes automatically, with indentation tooSep 07 14:48
schestowitzso down down arrow, ENTER, down arrow, ENTER, down arrow, ENTERSep 07 14:48
schestowitzIn kde 3.1 it was more complicated to do. It got improvedSep 07 14:48
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trmancoahhhhSep 07 14:55
trmancogreatSep 07 14:55
trmancothanks schestowitzSep 07 14:55
trmancoI was use to emacs where it would do everything automaticallySep 07 14:55
trmancoIt looks like I've got the hang of it nowSep 07 14:55
wallclimberok...now i'm jealous.  i want kde too.  maybe i'll swap out one of the drives for an empty one and try kubuntu again...Sep 07 15:03
schestowitztrmanco: important:Sep 07 15:03
schestowitzCan you drag and drop in knode?Sep 07 15:03
schestowitzThey seem to have remove the functionality whereby messages can be moved around the foldersSep 07 15:04
trmancoI don't knowSep 07 15:04
oiaohmhttp://lwn.net/Articles/351013/  This is getting interesting it looks like sysinit scripts are going by by.Sep 07 15:04
trmancoI've been with kde for less than a week...Sep 07 15:04
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schestowitztrmanco: hmmmmm..... could be tricky this one....Sep 07 15:05
schestowitzI also can't move the panes aroundSep 07 15:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] freda is under the weather - very clingy and whingy. mum and i are paying her LOTS of attention.Sep 07 15:06
trmancoyou can't move the panes but you can expose them differentlySep 07 15:07
trmancoactuallySep 07 15:07
trmancoyou can change the pane's width and heightSep 07 15:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] job I was told "you've basically got it, we just need the paperwork" 2 wks ago is still on hold. recruiter not happy either. still looking.Sep 07 15:07
schestowitztrmanco: I want them all lines verticallySep 07 15:08
schestowitzI could do that beforeSep 07 15:08
wallclimberis anyone using the karmic alpha 5 version of kubuntu?Sep 07 15:08
schestowitzNow I don't see an option of even detaching them from main windowsSep 07 15:08
trmancoah, I don't think you can do thatSep 07 15:08
schestowitzAnd I can't copy messages aroundSep 07 15:08
trmancoit has it's own presetsSep 07 15:08
schestowitzFor most users it's not an issueSep 07 15:08
schestowitzwallclimber: meSep 07 15:08
wallclimberi'm downloading it now...Sep 07 15:10
wallclimberwhat video card do you have?Sep 07 15:11
wallclimbereverything here has nvidiaSep 07 15:12
wallclimberdid you have any problems with itSep 07 15:12
wallclimber?Sep 07 15:13
schestowitznvidiaSep 07 15:14
schestowitz8600Sep 07 15:14
schestowitzNo problems at allSep 07 15:14
schestowitzI'll tell you how to set it up. Kubuntu makes it dead easySep 07 15:14
schestowitzBut these things need to be preinstalled by OEMsSep 07 15:14
schestowitzMicrosoft would never mention KDE by name ;-)Sep 07 15:14
schestowitzJust GNOME+MonoSep 07 15:15
schestowitzWhere Miguel's ratpoison gets putSep 07 15:15
wallclimberlol...it was my conversation with jo shields that made me decide to stop using gnomeSep 07 15:16
oiaohmWhat is annoying about Nvidia they have not annoced any plans for formal KMS support.Sep 07 15:16
wallclimberkms?Sep 07 15:17
oiaohmKernel Mode Swtiching.Sep 07 15:17
wallclimber(googling now)Sep 07 15:17
oiaohmBasically making switching to termal work even if X11 dies.Sep 07 15:17
wallclimberi seeSep 07 15:17
oiaohmAlterations to the X11 stack are about moving most of the video driver into userspace where it can not cause kernel panic.Sep 07 15:18
wallclimberthat sounds goodSep 07 15:18
oiaohmATI and Intel are onboard.Sep 07 15:18
oiaohmVia are talking about coming on board.Sep 07 15:18
oiaohmOnly one not to state there possition on it is Nvidia.Sep 07 15:18
wallclimberi wonder why... any thoughts?Sep 07 15:19
wallclimberwhat are they afraid of?Sep 07 15:19
oiaohmUserspace would make there driver more reversable.Sep 07 15:20
wallclimberreversable?Sep 07 15:20
oiaohmAble to work out how there cards work.Sep 07 15:20
wallclimbermeaning versatile?Sep 07 15:20
wallclimberso they don't want to give up controlSep 07 15:21
oiaohmNvidia got control in the first place by destroying the 2002 project to sort out X11.Sep 07 15:21
wallclimberseems odd.  you'd think they'd want customers to be able to use their productsSep 07 15:22
oiaohmNvidia has got it dominance by not sharing tech.Sep 07 15:22
oiaohmCommon driver struct really does not help Nvidia keep power.Sep 07 15:22
schestowitz"Capitalism is evil," says new Michael Moore film http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5850F320090906Sep 07 15:23
schestowitzObama's "green jobs" guru Jones resigns after uproar http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5850B020090906Sep 07 15:26
wallclimberoiaohm, i remember reading about an open hardware effort...wouldn't nvidia stand to lose against a trend to more open hardware and specs?Sep 07 15:27
wallclimberi should try to find that again and see what's happening with itSep 07 15:28
wallclimberi'd think nvidia would be very nervous about itSep 07 15:28
wallclimberif you think about it, it's got to be a very scary world to the old established companies, with the so much changing away from proprietary stuffSep 07 15:31
wallclimberit will be interesting to see which ones adapt and which ones fight itSep 07 15:32
wallclimberto the deathSep 07 15:32
schestowitznvidia has PR to worry about tooSep 07 15:37
schestowitzAfter the hardware flaws it looks grimSep 07 15:37
schestowitzTake the Train to Tokyo < http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/09/05/Take-the-Train-to-Tokyo >Sep 07 15:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] why rupert murdoch's newspaper business is doomed http://is.gd/2ZPVdSep 07 15:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik heb mijzelf vandaag getrakteerd op de nieuwe Linux Magzine en Linux Intern. Lekker ouderwets snoepen ;-)Sep 07 15:41
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schestowitzwallclimber: http://www.walyou.com/blog/2009/09/04/baby-rocking-ubuntu-linux-script/ Sep 07 15:58
schestowitzUbuntu leads to unemployment :-pSep 07 15:58
DaemonFChttp://www.pcworld.com/article/171534/ps3_slim_sales_trounce_xbox_360_wii_3to1.htmlSep 07 15:58
DaemonFCLack of PS2/PS1 and Linux support hasn't hurt the PS3 Slim salesSep 07 15:58
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DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/07/best.buy.told.to.misrepresent.linux/Sep 07 16:03
DaemonFCMicrosoft giving Best Buy anti-Linux trainingSep 07 16:03
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schestowitzhttp://linuxologist.com/advocacy/microsofts-best-buy-lies-about-linux-debunked/Sep 07 16:03
schestowitz"Sep 07 16:04
schestowitzMicrosoft has been asked about the memos but has neither confirmed nor denied their legitimacy. However, the material is both consistent with Microsoft's visual style as well as its frequent attempts to discredit Linux as a threat, which in the past have involved paid-for studies that allegedly show Windows as superior to Linux for servers.Sep 07 16:04
schestowitz"Sep 07 16:04
sluttysysadminAnyone to discuss about Novell Groupwise 8?Sep 07 16:04
DaemonFCschestowitz, probably trying to prepare them for the Black Friday saleSep 07 16:06
schestowitzI see......Sep 07 16:06
schestowitzNovember?Sep 07 16:07
schestowitzHalloween?Sep 07 16:07
schestowitzSo actually quite soonSep 07 16:07
DaemonFCthey probably figure lots of customers will come in looking for netbooks, wouldn't surprise me if Best Buy and Microsoft are coooking up some loss leader netbook with HP or Dell or someoneSep 07 16:07
wallclimberno the friday after thanksgivingSep 07 16:07
schestowitzYEahSep 07 16:07
DaemonFCthey'll probably do the usual, have some impossibly cheap systems ($150 or so)Sep 07 16:07
schestowitzTime to drop netbook label? http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/hardware/0,39043471,62057308,00.htmSep 07 16:07
DaemonFCand they'll all run Windows 7 StarterSep 07 16:07
schestowitz"Can we all agree on something? There's no longer a difference between a netbook and a notebook. Thanks to netbooks' move to more features and larger-size screens, the distinction between the two can now be considered little more than marketing speak."Sep 07 16:08
DaemonFCbut theyre will only be like 20-30 per storeSep 07 16:08
schestowitz^makes Steve and Bill happySep 07 16:08
wallclimberdoes starter still limit to only 3 apps open?Sep 07 16:08
DaemonFCthat way thousands of people try to get there for 20 laptopsSep 07 16:08
DaemonFCworks every year, Walmart does it tooSep 07 16:08
schestowitzHow many people will be killed THIS BLACK Friday?Sep 07 16:08
DaemonFCwallclimber, no, Starter has no app limit, but you can't change your wallpaperSep 07 16:08
DaemonFC:DSep 07 16:08
DaemonFCheheSep 07 16:08
schestowitzLast year's stampede didn't have quite the same depressionSep 07 16:08
schestowitzDaemonFC: stay away from Wal-MartSep 07 16:09
wallclimberit's called bait and switch, advertise one item and then upsell a more expensive oneSep 07 16:09
schestowitzwallclimber: not anymoreSep 07 16:09
DaemonFCschestowitz, they do it every yearSep 07 16:09
schestowitzprinters, razors..Sep 07 16:09
schestowitzSo Vista 7 is *that* worthless?Sep 07 16:10
DaemonFCthey say the sale doesn't start til 6 AM, but they move the pallets of merchandise out around midnight and the customers start cutting into it themselvesSep 07 16:10
DaemonFCby the time the 6 AM sale starts, half the merchandise is in people's carts waiting for the registers to allow the salesSep 07 16:10
schestowitzBlack Friday... keeping people out all night.Sep 07 16:10
schestowitzWhat's the benefit of this?Sep 07 16:10
wallclimberthat's for walmarts that are open 24 hoursSep 07 16:10
schestowitzOne big marketing orgySep 07 16:10
DaemonFCyou'll get customers showing up with their own box cuttersSep 07 16:10
schestowitzOnce a yearSep 07 16:10
DaemonFCstarting riots to get a $3 coffee makerSep 07 16:11
wallclimbermost around here close at 10 or 11pmSep 07 16:11
wallclimberdid you used to work at walmart?Sep 07 16:11
DaemonFCmost Walmarts are 24 hourSep 07 16:11
DaemonFCthey only close one day a year, that's ChristmasSep 07 16:11
DaemonFCthird shift still has to come in on Christmas around 10 PMSep 07 16:11
DaemonFCmanagement has to be there at 8 PMSep 07 16:11
wallclimberthere are a few here that are 24 hour, but the closest ones to me close at 10Sep 07 16:12
schestowitzTotally jokingly I'd say that Black Friday is for the rich to show themselves how 'stupid' those people at the bottom areSep 07 16:12
schestowitzLike a man throwing $50 bills off the roofSep 07 16:12
schestowitzTo see the people beneath huddle like sheepSep 07 16:12
DaemonFCschestowitz, When I worked there, I always "set back" all the stuff I was going to get before the sales startedSep 07 16:12
wallclimberblack friday is just retailer's last chance to make money  for the yearSep 07 16:12
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DaemonFChid it in a returns cart behind layawaySep 07 16:12
DaemonFCheheheSep 07 16:12
schestowitzTypical.Sep 07 16:13
wallclimberthe day after christmas there'll be long long long lines of customers bringing things backSep 07 16:13
DaemonFClet the customers murder each other over all the shit on the floor while I made my way up frontSep 07 16:13
schestowitzDaemonFC is cheapskate hunter... also for Microsoft waresSep 07 16:13
WillAnother link about the Best Buy stuff.  Nothing much new here, but a great "demotivational poster" at the end.Sep 07 16:13
Willhttp://linuxologist.com/advocacy/microsofts-best-buy-lies-about-linux-debunked/Sep 07 16:13
wallclimberi think best buy and microsoft make a perfect pairSep 07 16:14
schestowitzwallclimber: yes, Rami is spamming this thingSep 07 16:14
wallclimberthey belong togetherSep 07 16:14
Willand now Staples tooSep 07 16:14
schestowitzHe did this in Digg and now in Twitter.. private messages that quality as spamSep 07 16:14
schestowitzwallclimber: not by nameSep 07 16:14
schestowitzWindows is a bad buySep 07 16:14
DaemonFCStaples used to sell box sets of Linux and StarOfficeSep 07 16:15
DaemonFCso did Best BuySep 07 16:15
wallclimberyou're right about the name, but they still make a perfect pairSep 07 16:15
Willhttp://ixnotes.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/microsoft-propaganda-handed-out-to-staples-employees/Sep 07 16:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft has gotten them thinking about all the extra sales they can make, selling you the software Windows doesn't come withSep 07 16:15
DaemonFCand "services" like when your Windows PC gets pwned by spyware, they can charge you $75 an hour to fix itSep 07 16:16
wallclimbersheesh, staples too...Sep 07 16:16
wallclimberi'm depressedSep 07 16:16
DaemonFCthat's all it is, Microsoft and Best Buy joining forces to bend you over and drill, with no lubeSep 07 16:16
wallclimberummm...thank you DaemonFC for that colorful, yet creepy description...Sep 07 16:17
DaemonFCas far as extra software sales, they failed to mention that people like me still buy video games and such with the intention of running them in WineSep 07 16:17
DaemonFCor MP3 players, because Linux does recognize all of them, except the ZuneSep 07 16:17
wallclimberi thought you didn't like wineSep 07 16:18
schestowitzInvestigators blind on P2P child abuse < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/ceop_report/ >Sep 07 16:18
schestowitzp2p child abuse??Sep 07 16:18
schestowitzTerrorism?Sep 07 16:18
schestowitzWhat else?Sep 07 16:18
DaemonFCwhat a difference a SecuROM patch and a few hundreds DirectX improvements can makeSep 07 16:18
DaemonFCyes?Sep 07 16:18
DaemonFC:DSep 07 16:18
Willwallclimber: it's sad, but think of it this way.  As another reader here put it, The best way to handle it would be for the salespeople to be like "Linux, what's that?  Never heard of it.".  The fact that MS is having to train sales people against Linux means that people must be talking about it.Sep 07 16:19
DaemonFCthey've gotten it to where most of my games can nearly keep up with XPSep 07 16:19
DaemonFCwhich is all I really cared about in the first placeSep 07 16:19
DaemonFCI've heard it even supports Left 4 Dead and Assassins Creed, I may see if I can find a copy of themSep 07 16:20
wallclimberWill: I agree, they are making way too much noise about it.  it makes people more curiousSep 07 16:20
DaemonFCwallclimber, Microsoft slipped some Zune "training modules" into the Walmart employee training systemSep 07 16:21
wallclimberit looks like they've passed the "ignoring" stage...now they're just fighting...badlySep 07 16:21
DaemonFCthat was funnySep 07 16:21
schestowitzWill: so it's not just Best BuySep 07 16:21
wallclimberDaemon, did you keep copies?Sep 07 16:21
schestowitzMicrosoft is giving itself a reputation of a bully againSep 07 16:21
schestowitzMust be the "new Microsoft"Sep 07 16:21
DaemonFCwallclimber, They were hosted on their corporate intranetSep 07 16:21
DaemonFCand the kiosked copy of MSIE was all you could runSep 07 16:22
schestowitzwallclimber: why be depressedSep 07 16:23
schestowitz?Sep 07 16:23
Willschestowitz:  I'm not sure how to put this, but It still feels a bit odd that MS is simultaneously training people not to sell stuff they don't offer anyway, as well as not to sell stuff they do offer.Sep 07 16:23
schestowitz"Then they fight you"Sep 07 16:23
schestowitzThey are losing big timeSep 07 16:23
schestowitzThey give Windows for free nowSep 07 16:23
schestowitzWhile laying staff off, obviouslytSep 07 16:23
DaemonFClooking back, I could have snapped some pictures with my cell phone, but I'm sure they would have suedSep 07 16:23
schestowitzLinux kills their profitabilitySep 07 16:23
schestowitzwallclimber: heh. Beat me to itSep 07 16:23
wallclimberwell, my karmic kubuntu has finished downloading, i'm off to play now...if i don't show up again, send helpSep 07 16:23
wallclimber(just kidding)Sep 07 16:23
schestowitz<wallclimber> it looks like they've passed the "ignoring" stage...now they're just fighting...badlySep 07 16:24
schestowitzDidn't see thatSep 07 16:24
wallclimberbye for now...Sep 07 16:24
wallclimber:)Sep 07 16:24
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schestowitzIsn't Microsoft breaking the law here?Sep 07 16:24
schestowitzIf the EU saw this, I mean... they go to shops and try to forbid sales of rivalsSep 07 16:25
DaemonFCschestowitz, "Truth in Advertising"?Sep 07 16:25
schestowitzAs a monopoly, this should be illegalSep 07 16:25
schestowitzYes, ASA too can deal with the liesSep 07 16:25
DaemonFCthey probably word their arguments vaguely enough to get away with itSep 07 16:25
WillLike I saw somewhere (maybe here, maybe /., can't remember), "Does BMW send stuff to train other car dealers not to sell GM, Chrysler, what-have-you?Sep 07 16:25
schestowitzDid this at least make the big sites?Sep 07 16:25
schestowitzLike /.?Sep 07 16:26
schestowitzThe more people are made aware of this, the more they'll laugh at shop staffSep 07 16:26
Willthe best buy thing got /.edSep 07 16:26
schestowitzaka Microsoft dronesSep 07 16:26
schestowitzOr Ballmer YouthSep 07 16:26
WillBMW relies on its reputation to sell stuff.  Apple does the cute ads, but in general they expect people to come to them.  MS doesn't have that kind of reputation or rapportSep 07 16:27
schestowitz"MS-BS Quotient Off the top of the Charts. Those numbers touting an 11 second boot time are from HIBERNATION files. Not from a cold start. As a result, they are total crap. I did my own "tests" on Win 7. "Sep 07 16:27
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39736283-39001069c-20103766o,00.htmSep 07 16:27
schestowitzI'm sure some people have filed complaintsSep 07 16:29
schestowitzAnd the public reaction will do them damage tooSep 07 16:29
schestowitzFOSS developers will be reminded of why Microsoft is a foeSep 07 16:30
Willschestowitz:  sop for ms.  If it were a horse race, they'd brag that their horse was faster, shoot your horse, do the race in a formula 1 car, then claim that they were right, their horse was faster.Sep 07 16:30
schestowitzThe whole "geisha" routine with Sam Ramji won't workSep 07 16:30
DaemonFCin my experience, it's always taken nearly as long to resume from hibernation as to boot coldSep 07 16:30
DaemonFCit's why I never use thatSep 07 16:30
DaemonFCI always use stand by or shut downSep 07 16:30
schestowitzKubuntu boots in half a minute or less hereSep 07 16:31
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schestowitzBIOS and stuff and the boot sequence takes most of the timeSep 07 16:31
schestowitzDidn't do a bootchart...Sep 07 16:31
twitter1heh, suspend to ram is fastest and easiest.Sep 07 16:32
schestowitztwitter: try linux 2.6.31Sep 07 16:32
schestowitzIt boots very fastSep 07 16:32
twitter1ten seconds or less, typically.Sep 07 16:32
twitter1Yes, but I don't want to boot.  I want my work right where I left it.Sep 07 16:32
WillI honestly don't even know if hibernation works with my laptop under Linux or not.  It might, but I've never tried.  Ever since 8.04, it boots up faster than XP comes out of hibernation.Sep 07 16:33
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twitter1Combine that with months long uptime and virtual desktops and find that gnu/linux has place keeping that windows and OSX can't touchSep 07 16:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Then they fight you..." Microsoft takes the anti-Linux camping to more and more computer shops http://ping.fm/7aeI8 Does the ASA know?Sep 07 16:35
WillThere's now a drinking game to go with the Windows 7 house parties:Sep 07 16:35
Willhttp://notnews.today.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-arranges-spontaneous-house-parties-for-windows-7-launch/Sep 07 16:35
schestowitz /s/camping/campaign/Sep 07 16:35
schestowitzWill: yeah, he used my GIMPed image too :-pSep 07 16:36
schestowitzBringing contraception to the house party (anti-viral soft ware)Sep 07 16:36
twitter1I did my thesis work with a laptop.  Suspend to RAM saved me weeks and days worth of effort.  Home or office, my work was always where I left it and I did not have to hunt around to find things.Sep 07 16:37
schestowitzfluff piece:  Memory prowess linked to gaming < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8241348.stm >Sep 07 16:37
Willtwitter found this pic:Sep 07 16:37
Willhttp://bayimg.com/HAddaaACiSep 07 16:37
schestowitzCan Windows be suspended? :-)Sep 07 16:37
twitter1At my previous job, which was a lot easier, it took me half an hour, every day, to boot up XP and remember where I had left off the day before.Sep 07 16:38
schestowitzWill: he LOVES this companySep 07 16:38
twitter1I'm not sure.  XP would bomb on Word resume.Sep 07 16:38
twitter1ACPI was total shit for it.Sep 07 16:38
WillMadness??? This... Is.... VISTA!!!! (Same thing, really)Sep 07 16:38
twitter1I don't know any Windows user who had the convenience I did with Debian.Sep 07 16:39
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WillThe deb package system is one of the wonders of the modern computing world.Sep 07 16:39
twitter1ACPI is more or less reliable for gnu/linux.  You need to have an application like klaptop working to make it go though.Sep 07 16:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "I. Love. This. Company. Yeaaaaaah" http://ping.fm/w6oaOSep 07 16:40
schestowitzPfizer drug breach ends in biggest US crime fine < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/02/pfizer-drugs-us-criminal-fine >Sep 07 16:40
WillIs that middle laptop a mac that they photoshopped the logo off of?Sep 07 16:41
twitter1people think so.Sep 07 16:41
twitter1I thought so.Sep 07 16:41
schestowitzCIA doctors face human experimentation claims < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/02/cia-usa >Sep 07 16:41
twitter1this is SPARTA http://bayimg.com/tag/sparta/Sep 07 16:41
twitter1especially this one http://bayimg.com/EagIjaabNSep 07 16:42
schestowitzCEPR Release: State Dept Steps Against Honduran Coup Don't Go Far Enough < http://www.chavezcode.com/2009/09/cepr-release-state-dept-steps-against.html >Sep 07 16:42
Willgotta go for nowSep 07 16:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not everyone welcomes the idea of taxpayers paying bonuses to bankers. < http://ping.fm/RzJe9 >Sep 07 16:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman explains the crisis caused by lack of water in an age of global warning. http://ping.fm/TzD3B Death toll is highSep 07 16:47
twitter1I'd think only bankers would approve -> Not everyone welcomes the idea of taxpayers paying bonuses to bankers.Sep 07 16:48
twitter1You could give me a $40 million bailout bonus if you wanted.Sep 07 16:49
twitter1It would be very good for my economy.Sep 07 16:49
schestowitzPROFILE OF: Hadron – Appearing on C.O.L.A < http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/profile-of-hadron-appearing-on-c-o-l-a/ >Sep 07 16:49
twitter1I've seen someone by that name.  They probably misspelled "hardon"Sep 07 16:50
schestowitzIt has many names Sep 07 16:53
schestowitzThis shill used like a dozen namesSep 07 16:53
schestowitzLinus Is A Fake! < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linus-fake >Sep 07 16:54
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twitter1Not found in the troll zoo.   http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737Sep 07 16:59
twitter1 You have to be careful with names like that.  Trolls often seek to smear good names in other forums.Sep 07 16:59
schestowitzGallium3D Support For Haiku Operating System < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzUxMg >Sep 07 17:09
schestowitzApplication Bundles for Linux < http://www.appbundles.org/ >Sep 07 17:10
twitter1surprise, surprise, "parental control" software is spyware http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1315210/Parental-Control-Software-Datamines-Kids-Online-ConversationsSep 07 17:10
twitter1pretty obviously a toy http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/09/500x_TotiloRifle.jpgSep 07 17:18
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twitter1but .... http://kotaku.com/5351721/police-swarm-to-bungie-on-weapons-call-during-kotaku-visitSep 07 17:19
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twitter1the slog on google continues.  http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1218227/Google-Apps-Not-the-DC-Success-Many-BelieveSep 07 17:20
twitter1Oh no!  Google did not replace M$ in five minutes!Sep 07 17:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me is going to pure kdeSep 07 17:25
twitter1hmmm.  what is "pure kde"?Sep 07 17:31
twitter1Lenny is making it easier to get there.  For the first time since .... Sarge? ... they have an all in one kde-desktop install package.Sep 07 17:33
twitter1The move from a choice of desktops to "install a desktop [gnome]" was a regression in the Debian install.Sep 07 17:34
schestowitztwitter: he runs kde alongside ubuntuSep 07 17:40
schestowitzI do this at work and on my secondary workstation hereSep 07 17:40
schestowitzIt's more loosely integratedSep 07 17:40
schestowitzI guess that trmanco might move from 9.04 to 9.10 with native kdeSep 07 17:40
trmanconopSep 07 17:40
twitter1ahSep 07 17:40
trmancoI'll stick with jauntySep 07 17:40
twitter1haSep 07 17:40
schestowitzCanonical makes the kde experience more tightly integrated than vanilla kdeSep 07 17:40
schestowitztrmanco: 4.2Sep 07 17:41
trmancoI just don't want gnome stuff hereSep 07 17:41
trmancoI'm using 4.3.1Sep 07 17:41
trmancoI've added the ppaSep 07 17:41
schestowitzYou could upgrade manually to itSep 07 17:41
schestowitzAssuming it's well testedSep 07 17:41
twitter1I'm having trouble tracking down gnome and kde use stats on debian.Sep 07 17:41
twitter1I can see that lots of people use gnome because lots of people use gnome-terminal http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=gnome-terminalSep 07 17:42
schestowitzWe have a mirror of the Best Buy post: http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.htmlSep 07 17:42
twitter1but I can't find any kde package to compare, such as konsole or kwinSep 07 17:42
twitter1Yeah, Will dug that up, I think.Sep 07 17:42
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/9495143 !linux <http://identi.ca/group/56/id> !gnu <http://identi.ca/group/33/id> !fsf Sep 07 17:42
schestowitz<http://identi.ca/group/214/id> ♲ weex: Let's encourage people to !trygnulinux Sep 07 17:42
schestowitz<http://identi.ca/group/427/id> at Best Buy for Software Freedom Day (9/19/09). Sep 07 17:42
schestowitzhttp://trygnulinux.com/sfd09Sep 07 17:42
schestowitz"Anybody in the !Boston area want to help the local !Ubuntu !GNU/ !Linux group promote FOSS? http://lilurl.org/mku41k !UbuntuMA !FSF" !linux <http://identi.ca/group/56/id> !gnu <http://identi.ca/group/33/id> !fsf Sep 07 17:43
schestowitz<http://identi.ca/group/214/id> ♲ weex: Let's encourage people to !trygnulinux Sep 07 17:43
schestowitz<http://identi.ca/group/427/id> at Best Buy for Software Freedom Day (9/19/09). Sep 07 17:43
schestowitzhttp://trygnulinux.com/sfd09Sep 07 17:43
schestowitzhttp://www.stephenfry.com/2009/08/28/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn/Sep 07 17:45
schestowitzdevelopers-developers-developers-developersSep 07 17:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, How long do you figure it'll take the store manager to call the police?Sep 07 17:46
schestowitzDepends on how small the bribe wasSep 07 17:46
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/03/sub-notebooks-linux-taskforces/Sep 07 17:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, Somone should make full page flyers, preferably black and white so kinkos will print them out cheaperSep 07 17:47
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/22/microsoft-taskforce-vs-walmart-linux/Sep 07 17:47
DaemonFCtake like a stack of 500 or so to Best Buy and pass them outSep 07 17:47
schestowitzWhat with?Sep 07 17:47
schestowitzExposing Microsoft crimes?Sep 07 17:47
DaemonFChow about a Get The Facts campaign of our side?Sep 07 17:48
DaemonFCsuch as "If you've visited Best Buy lately, they may have misrepresented non-Microsoft software such as Linux, here's the real deal:"Sep 07 17:48
DaemonFCthen it corrects every point of their sales pitch for Windows with a counter argumentSep 07 17:49
twitter1It would be better to simply hand out CDs and encourage people to try GNU/Linux.Sep 07 17:50
twitter1If you do it right, you might be allowed to do this.Sep 07 17:51
DaemonFCheh, well, this would be easier if Ubuntu was still passing out hundreds of CDs with no questions askedSep 07 17:51
DaemonFCthey've clamped up on that considerably latelySep 07 17:51
DaemonFChow much are Ubuntu CDs in bulk?Sep 07 17:51
twitter1Talk to management first.  Tell them you would like to set up a table and help people burn live CDs to try on computers they would like to buy.Sep 07 17:51
DaemonFCI'm sure they wouldn't go for thatSep 07 17:52
twitter1A spool of 100 CDs costs $30 or so, and it's easy enough to bring a CD burner.Sep 07 17:52
DaemonFCManagement usually is in on this more than the employeesSep 07 17:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: you should do a blog post about itSep 07 17:53
DaemonFCthey probably got their own training materials telling them to watch for thisSep 07 17:53
schestowitzI'd feed you citations if you need someSep 07 17:53
twitter1If they don't go for that, they surely would not go for people with fliers and protests.Sep 07 17:53
DaemonFCwell, if there's a public sidewalk close to the store, they can't stop you from standing thereSep 07 17:54
schestowitzI like how it blows up in Microsoft's faceSep 07 17:54
schestowitzUnrest even among sales peopleSep 07 17:54
twitter1If they don't go for the friendly promotion in advance, you can always show up in their parking lot with protests on the 19th.Sep 07 17:54
twitter1I don't think they can run you off the street.Sep 07 17:55
twitter1depends on how civil rights friendly the local police areSep 07 17:55
DaemonFCthey can't run you off of public propertySep 07 17:55
DaemonFCbut they can charge you with trespassing if they ask you to leave their property and you don'tSep 07 17:56
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DaemonFCso if they ask you to leave, don't refuseSep 07 17:56
twitter1you see how things become more embarrassing for them as you retreatSep 07 17:56
_Hicham_Mr DaemonFCSep 07 17:56
_Hicham_nobody is leaving in hereSep 07 17:56
DaemonFChttp://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=496Sep 07 17:56
DaemonFC"All orders for packs of 100 and 200 CDs will be shipped for free."Sep 07 17:56
DaemonFCtake 200 Ubuntu CDs with you to Best Buy and pass them outSep 07 17:57
DaemonFClolSep 07 17:57
twitter1As in anything else, expect the best but plan for the worst.Sep 07 17:57
schestowitzReview: Supreme Super Gamer LiveDVD http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_supreme_super_gamer_livedvdSep 07 17:57
_Hicham_DaemonFC is a big contributor to FOSSSep 07 17:57
schestowitzGiev em thaT ^^Sep 07 17:57
twitter1niceSep 07 17:57
schestowitzBetter to give out kubuntu or mandrivaSep 07 17:58
schestowitzkde4 will knock their socks off !! :-pSep 07 17:58
schestowitztwitter: kio slave functionality is not missingSep 07 17:58
schestowitzI made konqueror my main file managerSep 07 17:59
_Hicham_Konqueror is greatSep 07 17:59
_Hicham_I do it with ubuntuSep 07 18:00
DaemonFCUbuntu generally focuses more on GNOMESep 07 18:00
_Hicham_sure u do babe, sure u doSep 07 18:00
DaemonFCKubuntu can be thrown under the bus if it messes with their Ubuntu plansSep 07 18:00
schestowitzConsumer Groups Outline Privacy Law Wish List http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3837306/Consumer+Groups+Outline+Privacy+Law+Wish+List.htmSep 07 18:00
_Hicham_Kubuntu do not have the same amount of patches Ubuntu hasSep 07 18:01
schestowitzThere is no "plan"Sep 07 18:02
schestowitzThe plan is to make contractsSep 07 18:02
schestowitzNot to spread gnome or monoSep 07 18:02
schestowitzUbuntu/Canonical wants to make money from Server EditionsSep 07 18:02
_Hicham_spreading mono is a prioritySep 07 18:02
schestowitzTo NovellSep 07 18:03
schestowitzUbuntu just drinks from the same wellSep 07 18:03
_Hicham_launchpad client will be written in C#Sep 07 18:03
schestowitzamarok 2.1 is greatSep 07 18:03
schestowitzIt chokes on same weird file namesSep 07 18:03
schestowitzLike Ukrainian and stuffSep 07 18:03
_Hicham_KDE has a great set of appsSep 07 18:04
_Hicham_I used to use Kopete under GNOME for video chat on msn and yahooSep 07 18:04
twitter1apt:/ works for you?  ->  schestowitz: twitter: kio slave functionality is not missingSep 07 18:04
twitter1media:/ ?Sep 07 18:05
_Hicham_and twitter1:/ ?Sep 07 18:05
_Hicham_DaemonFC : did u test Firefox 3.6 alpha ?Sep 07 18:05
twitter1I'm sure a Twitter kio is in the works.Sep 07 18:05
twitter1;-)Sep 07 18:06
DaemonFC_Hicham_, I have 3.5.2Sep 07 18:06
schestowitzWhy  media:/ ?Sep 07 18:06
schestowitzIt's all more elegant nowSep 07 18:06
schestowitzI used to have trash:/Sep 07 18:06
schestowitzLots of invisible servicesSep 07 18:06
schestowitzLike Easter eggs almostSep 07 18:06
_Hicham_use this trash to put Mono in itSep 07 18:06
schestowitzNot in KDESep 07 18:07
schestowitzThat's the gnome fodderSep 07 18:07
schestowitzAlmost nothing in Qt uses mono bindingsSep 07 18:07
schestowitzKDE has nothing native of substance that uses the monkeySep 07 18:07
_Hicham_in gnome it is : trash:///Sep 07 18:07
_Hicham_computer:///Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz:/Sep 07 18:08
schestowitz:-)Sep 07 18:08
_Hicham_three slashesSep 07 18:08
schestowitzDouble chin?Sep 07 18:08
_Hicham_DaemonFC : still on Mint ?Sep 07 18:08
twitter1so that users can mount unused hard drives.  This is nice in normal systems and very nice in live CDs.  schestowitz: Why  media:/Sep 07 18:08
schestowitzhttp://www.junauza.com/2009/09/quick-and-subtle-introduction-to-emacs.htmlSep 07 18:09
twitter1like the problem you had yesterday with mounting.Sep 07 18:09
twitter1what is the substitute?Sep 07 18:09
schestowitzThere is a drives manager nowSep 07 18:09
schestowitzFor last plugged devicesSep 07 18:09
_Hicham_palimpsest ?Sep 07 18:09
schestowitzIt all changedSep 07 18:09
schestowitzFrom kde3Sep 07 18:09
schestowitzIt's more elegant nowSep 07 18:10
twitter1I liked it when all of the plugged devices showed up in the same place as ide and sataSep 07 18:10
twitter1... you know, all of your media in one box.Sep 07 18:11
twitter1where is the drives manager?Sep 07 18:11
twitter1can you get there in konq?Sep 07 18:11
schestowitzYesSep 07 18:11
schestowitzBut Dolphin lays them out wellSep 07 18:12
schestowitzSimpler for n00bsSep 07 18:12
twitter1so, what's the url in konq?Sep 07 18:12
schestowitzShedding off the myth that kde ain't for cavemenSep 07 18:12
schestowitz /media/whateverSep 07 18:13
_Hicham_media folder is used by allSep 07 18:13
_Hicham_after the mnt folderSep 07 18:13
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_Hicham_mnt folder still exists by default for historical reasonsSep 07 18:14
twitter1hmmm, a 24 hour circle.Sep 07 18:14
twitter1I use the /mnt directory stillSep 07 18:14
twitter1for manual mountingSep 07 18:14
_Hicham_twitter1 : really ?Sep 07 18:14
twitter1fewer keystrokesSep 07 18:15
_Hicham_do u mount drives manually ?Sep 07 18:15
twitter1occasionallySep 07 18:15
twitter1like once a yearSep 07 18:15
_Hicham_mnt is used by livecds alsoSep 07 18:15
twitter1when all else fails on a system, I drop down to mount, cfdisk and fdisk to see what the problem is.Sep 07 18:16
DaemonFCschestowitz, I am writing a post about this btwSep 07 18:17
twitter1I suppose KDE is just rolling with kernel changes on mediaSep 07 18:17
_Hicham_DaemonFC knows how to write, what a surpriseSep 07 18:17
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-04-028-35-OP-CYSep 07 18:17
schestowitzHe writes wellSep 07 18:17
twitter1I never did use the other system stuff.Sep 07 18:18
schestowitzPotty mouth thoughSep 07 18:18
twitter1sad that Carla can't turn on a computer without feeling like she's at work.Sep 07 18:21
twitter1how is she going to find the sites to see without one?Sep 07 18:21
DaemonFC"Low end retail is all about cashing in your dignity for minimum wage anyway, isn't it? Abusive customers trashing the store and cursing at you, evil pointy haired bosses that want you to work unpaid overtime, impossible quotas and policies that they overlook most of the time, but gives them a reason to fire any of you at any time, for cause or for made-up cause... I've been on the receiving and giving end of that, and in manySep 07 18:22
DaemonFC ways, it's like a fraternity hazing process where the salaried management is the guy with the paddle and the hourly employees are the ones shouting "Thank you sir, may I have another?" In short, anyone who intends to go no further will have to put up with the shit every day for the rest of their life. You won't find better advertisement for a college education or management ambitions."Sep 07 18:22
twitter1I suppose she can take a few pages from a "Let's Go"Sep 07 18:22
DaemonFCI'm discussing cashing in your integrity to keep a dead end jobSep 07 18:22
DaemonFCand how being expected to lie to customers is a part of thatSep 07 18:22
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twitter1This is part of big box stores.Sep 07 18:23
twitter1It is NOT a part of normal retail, where small stores build a reputation and trust.Sep 07 18:23
twitter1The corruption you are talking about is why M$ loves big box stores.Sep 07 18:24
twitter1They violate employee rights in order to defraud customers.Sep 07 18:24
twitter1and big box stores compete unfairly to gain their position and eliminate smaller stores.Sep 07 18:25
twitter1selective dumping and price cuts, all that predatory stuff they are accused of.Sep 07 18:25
twitter1The bad reputation bit, eventually, catches up to big box stores too.  Look at what happened to CompUSA, Circuit City and others.  Even Target and Walmart have been burn to Peee Ceees.  Vista fried everyone.Sep 07 18:27
schestowitzGMaps4JSF in the JSF 2.0 Ajax world < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/wa-aj-gmaps/index.html >Sep 07 18:27
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schestowitzhttp://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/09/about-capslock-key.htmlSep 07 18:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, ASUS launched the better with Windows site right? That was how long ago?Sep 07 18:30
schestowitz> DaemonFC >  and how being expected to lie to customers is a part of thatSep 07 18:31
schestowitzBeen there beforeSep 07 18:31
twitter1->  You will need to             accept the usage agreement and register the site that you are using for your             application. In return, Google provides a key ...Sep 07 18:31
schestowitzWorked in a computer store while 18Sep 07 18:31
schestowitzThe 'good' salesmen are the LIARSSep 07 18:31
schestowitzIOW, bad is goodSep 07 18:31
schestowitzNasty is rewardedSep 07 18:31
twitter1bad storeSep 07 18:31
twitter1I've worked in betterSep 07 18:31
schestowitzScrew customer= more profitSep 07 18:31
twitter1sounds like a big boxSep 07 18:32
twitter1honest business is always betterSep 07 18:32
schestowitzDepends on how much PR they employSep 07 18:33
schestowitzLike the thugs in Wal-MartSep 07 18:33
schestowitzDefraud the public, then hire "perception management"Sep 07 18:33
schestowitzUsing propaganda agents like EdelmanSep 07 18:33
schestowitzThe leeches of societySep 07 18:33
twitter1a small business can leverage Walmart.Sep 07 18:33
schestowitzIt's Raining OLPC Total Costs of Ownership (1 of 4) http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/price/its_raining_olpc_tcos_1_of_4.htmlSep 07 18:34
schestowitzI hate the term "TCO"Sep 07 18:34
twitter1If Walmart uncercuts your price and your customer is going there anyway, buy it there yourself.Sep 07 18:34
schestowitzIt's Microsoft-speakSep 07 18:34
twitter1TCO favors GNU/Linux.Sep 07 18:34
schestowitzMake up anything to pretend that expensive=cheapSep 07 18:34
twitter1M$ has spent billions on it.  Leverage it in your favor.Sep 07 18:34
DaemonFC"There's a certain demographic that will pay any price because they have lots of money to set on fire. These same people buy Hummer H2's. The rest spend about month's salary every year or two on Microsoft software and partner products under the mistaken impression that they simply have to. They don't want to, they're not evil people, they've simply been led astray by the sales associate, the lowly peonmaking $8 an hour at theSep 07 18:34
DaemonFCBest Buy store, the unwitting foot soldier in Microsoft's propaganda battle. Exactly what's in it for the sales associate if people continue maxing out their credit cards on shit they don't need? They may be able to come back to work next Monday, or Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or whenever they're expected to show up for their 4-8 hours shift so they can continue making the $8 an hour."Sep 07 18:34
schestowitzDigital tipping points.... http://temporaryland.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/open-source-photo-processing-comes-of-age/Sep 07 18:35
DaemonFC*peon makingSep 07 18:35
schestowitzUS tradeSep 07 18:35
twitter1M$ is so easy to combat.  They run full force in a predictable way.  All you have to do is see which way they are going and trip them to see them fall flat on their face.Sep 07 18:36
twitter1The advantage they have is money and organization.  They can devote teams of people to harass and intimidate every part of the retail chain, from OEM to free software advocate.Sep 07 18:37
twitter1Their weakness is inflexibility.Sep 07 18:38
schestowitzAdobe and Oracle delay their patch days < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144946 >Sep 07 18:39
schestowitzhttp://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144948Sep 07 18:40
schestowitz"Update for "Lenny", Debian 5.0.3 -- The third update of Debian 5.0 has been released by the Debian developers. The update provides a number of security updates and bug fixes and an updated installer. The announcement summarises the changes while the change log provides a detailed overview of all the changes."Sep 07 18:40
twitter1TCO for OLPC has to be compared with the cost of providing equivalent service with paper.  Considering that US Prep schools with all the money in the world are throwing away their paper libraries, I'd say this argument is now a slam dunk in OLPC's favor.Sep 07 18:43
twitter1The bottom line is that buying a student one laptop is cheaper than buying the same student hundreds of text books.Sep 07 18:45
twitter1Having a free laptop is better for education than crap like the Kindle.Sep 07 18:46
DaemonFC"It seems stupid when you look at it this way. You wouldn't buy a car at full sticker price if the horn, air bags, brakes, radio, and upholstery were sold as "add-ons". If a line of cars has a faulty gas tank that explodes, there will be a lawsuit. Yet this is how Microsoft and retail stores like Best Buy get you to part ways with more of your cash. If the $500 computer cost the full $2,000 up front, nobody would buy them. BetSep 07 18:46
DaemonFCter to just suck the rest of your blood out later, as you go."Sep 07 18:46
schestowitzIt's almost as though Phipps is planning his exist from Oracle... http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/sun_s_bloggers_licenseSep 07 18:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ☞ New Debian is ready to roll. http://ping.fm/5OxNSSep 07 18:50
schestowitzThinking about downloads < http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/09/07/thinking-about-downloads/ >Sep 07 18:50
twitter1Phipps exit or the demise of blogs.sun.com under OracleSep 07 18:52
DaemonFC"The tighter the market gets, and the less that Best Buy is able to compete with sites that sell hardware at just over wholesale, and systems that come without operating systems, the more of this kind of thing you'll see, the less and less bribes, threats, and coercion it actually takes from Microsoft to get them to play ball. Their entire remaining customer "base" are zombiesthat are there to be victimized repeatedly. Best BuSep 07 18:52
DaemonFCy has no future as a company, the very most they should expect is to not go bankrupt immediately."Sep 07 18:52
twitter1expect the best, plan for the worstSep 07 18:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New York Post: "AMERICANS should boycott the stock market." http://ping.fm/InuqHSep 07 18:53
schestowitzhttp://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/09/mike-morgan-spends-few-minutes-on.htmlSep 07 18:53
twitter1It's kind of hard to boycott the stock market.Sep 07 18:53
twitter1your bank and insurance company puts your money thereSep 07 18:54
twitter1this is SATA http://bayimg.com/aApmHAAbpSep 07 18:55
DaemonFCFive to ten years from now, I don't even think Best Buy will even be around, but Microsoft can use them in the remaining time they have left to help sell people on Windows. Consumer electronics stores have painted themselves into a corner where they need Microsoft far more than Microsoft needs them.Sep 07 18:55
twitter1It looks like SATA has finally become speed competitive with SCSI.  Is this true?Sep 07 18:55
DaemonFCThe phoney baloney "education" that customers receive at Best Buy will, Microsoft is hoping, carry on when Best Buy is gone and the customer is buying their next Windows system at Walmart.Sep 07 18:56
twitter1We'll see DaemonFC.  The Vista Failure blew up a lot of big box retailers.  Is Best Buy really stupid or bribed enough to follow them?Sep 07 18:57
DaemonFCthey have no choiceSep 07 18:57
DaemonFCit's like they're on a horse that's gone crazy and the only thing they can do is hold on tighterSep 07 18:57
schestowitzNew: OpenOffice.org 2.4.3 available  http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_openoffice_org_2_413Sep 07 18:58
twitter1Scientology's efforts against network freedom http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/0520225/Church-of-Scientology-Proposes-Net-Censorship-In-AustraliaSep 07 18:58
twitter1Best Buy has all sorts of choice.  They are one of the few surviving retailers, that makes them very powerful but not powerful enough to foist Windows 7 on the world.Sep 07 18:59
twitter1If they ignore gnu/linux, retailers are going to be stuck with a bunch of unsold computers.Sep 07 19:00
twitter1They can't even move their $300 netbooks.  You know their desktop systems are failing.Sep 07 19:00
twitter1by contrast, retailers cant keep EEE PCs in stock, especially when they have gnu/linux on them and sell for $50 less than the Winblows model.Sep 07 19:01
twitter1In the "race to the bottom" boo hoo for fat marginsSep 07 19:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Microsoft 'indoctrinates' Best Buy workers with anti-Linux 'lies' http://tinyurl.com/n2dpqeSep 07 19:03
twitter1the first OEM that really jumps on the free software bandwagon and promotes home systems that do everything that M$ promises is going to clean up.Sep 07 19:03
twitter1Asus cleaned up with the 701  EEE PC.  They could have leveraged that to sell desktops as "home servers" and mythTV boxes.Sep 07 19:04
twitter1It's going to happen sooner or later.  M$ is just going to waste a few select suckers time and money with Windows 7.Sep 07 19:05
twitter1Give Windows 7 six months of market place failure and it will be all over.Sep 07 19:05
schestowitzSwine flu could hospitalize 2 million in U.S. this winter < http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-swine-flu25-2009aug25,0,1109674.story > Oink oinkSep 07 19:06
trmancobackSep 07 19:06
trmanco207 MB at startupSep 07 19:06
trmancodown about 30MBSep 07 19:06
DaemonFCThese crooks and con artists running the company do such a good job suckering their customers that even when you offer to help someone for free, on your own time, they'll instead buy more software from Microsoft and take it to Best Buy to get the "Geek Squad" to patch it up again. It's not just like an emergency room doctor patching up a crack addict who had another heart attack, in this analogy, it's the doctor patching the gSep 07 19:06
DaemonFCuy up after the doctor sold him the crack then billing him for both services.Sep 07 19:06
schestowitztrmanco: yes, it's weirdSep 07 19:07
twitter1By May of next year.  M$ is going to be screwed.Sep 07 19:07
trmancoschestowitz: no it isn'tSep 07 19:07
trmancoI removed all the unnecessary junkSep 07 19:07
schestowitzYes, but it's lighter than Mandriva with kde3Sep 07 19:07
schestowitzMandriva is well loadedSep 07 19:07
schestowitzMySQL at Facebook https://launchpad.net/mysqlatfacebookSep 07 19:08
twitter1M$ is already screwed and people in the business know it.  2009 was productive and GNU/Linux made great desktop strides as traditional media failed.  2010 will be even better.Sep 07 19:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] KDE purifiedSep 07 19:10
trmancobblSep 07 19:10
schestowitzPurified?Sep 07 19:12
schestowitzPuree-fiedSep 07 19:13
schestowitzPurée-fiedSep 07 19:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nickballard Microsoft 'indoctrinates' Best Buy workers with anti-Linux 'lies' http://tinyurl.com/n2dpqeSep 07 19:17
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ozmawell, it's done.  running kubuntu nowSep 07 19:20
ozma:)Sep 07 19:20
ozmawait...my wallclimber name is now ozma (hey, i'm originally from kansas)Sep 07 19:21
ozmamust change...back in a bit...feeling kind of lost here...lol, am i on boycottnovell IRC?Sep 07 19:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz if they try this in the UK we can nail their testicles to the wall.Sep 07 19:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @bengoldacre gmail has locked me out of my account for 24 hours? i will never rely on them again. http://bit.ly/3d5hdeSep 07 19:25
wallclimberi think i'm myself again...feeling like alice in wonderland here.  kde is very pretty, and the install went well, just a couple of small problems, easily fixedSep 07 19:27
wallclimberi miss my old firefox thoSep 07 19:27
wallclimberis anyone out there?Sep 07 19:28
wallclimbertesting my sound, listening to jj cale's "after midnight"Sep 07 19:28
twitter1everyone is hereSep 07 19:30
wallclimberhi twitter, glad to see someone here...not that i'm not used to talking to myself, but i hate to do it in public :)Sep 07 19:31
ThistleWebhey wallclimberSep 07 19:32
trmancoI'm back tooSep 07 19:32
wallclimberjust got kubuntu set up and am testing things out.  wondering why "Quassel" isn't named KwasselSep 07 19:32
wallclimberhi ThistleWeb - i'm having some kde funSep 07 19:32
ThistleWebso I seeSep 07 19:32
trmancoI don't like quasselSep 07 19:33
schestowitz"I suppose it’s none of my business. But if the tide of public opinion is turned, and Ubuntu users are shifting from passive to aggressive, then I would like to step out of the revolution now." http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/if-this-is-the-revolution-im-out/Sep 07 19:33
trmancokonversation is betterSep 07 19:33
wallclimberi have to say that this install has been WAY different (much nicer) than my last experienceSep 07 19:33
ThistleWebchanging a DE or WM takes some time to get your head aroundSep 07 19:33
schestowitzHey, wallclimber Sep 07 19:33
wallclimberHi!Sep 07 19:33
wallclimberno worries, i lost my head years agoSep 07 19:34
schestowitzThe kde/kubuntu installer was niceSep 07 19:34
wallclimberif you see it wandering around, please send it homeSep 07 19:34
schestowitzqt4Sep 07 19:34
ThistleWebtry the bedside cabinet, usually when I lose something, that's where it turns up lolSep 07 19:34
schestowitzOpenSUSE did something similar over  a year agoSep 07 19:34
wallclimberi don't like quassel either, will try konversation...also need firefox with all my settings and bookmarksSep 07 19:35
ThistleWebspeaking of the ubuntu installer, I saw screenshots of the proposed new installer, with slides like windows, pointing out features as it installsSep 07 19:35
twitter1Passive to aggressive?  hmph, have to read that.Sep 07 19:35
ThistleWebwhich is a fantastic ideaSep 07 19:35
wallclimbermost things that get lost around here end up in the couch cushionsSep 07 19:35
wallclimberi like klipper though!Sep 07 19:36
ThistleWebhttp://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=117Sep 07 19:37
schestowitzLayer Sets/Groups in GIMP 2.8! Preview Update! < http://www.gimpusers.com/news/2009-09-06/layer-groups-gimp-2-8-preview-update.html >Sep 07 19:37
wallclimberfor some reason, since the jaunty upgrade copy/paste in ubuntu was quirky (I'm being kind here)Sep 07 19:37
schestowitzGIMP 2.6 changed the UISep 07 19:37
schestowitzIt looks so wrong for longtime gimpersSep 07 19:37
ThistleWebapart from the choice of f-spotSep 07 19:37
schestowitzwallclimber: CTRL+ALT+VSep 07 19:38
schestowitzMake a stack of selectionSep 07 19:38
schestowitzThen pick the ones you needSep 07 19:38
schestowitzALso, change theme to Oxygen maybe.Sep 07 19:38
wallclimberi know, it's great!Sep 07 19:38
schestowitzI added like 10 buttons to top of windowsSep 07 19:38
schestowitzI should probably make a screenshotSep 07 19:38
schestowitzMy wallpapers are the latest joySep 07 19:39
twitter1cut and paste from web pages remains problematic for various garbage publishers put in web pages.Sep 07 19:39
schestowitzThe two screeens are two separate slideshowsSep 07 19:39
twitter1I have to use klipper to see what garbage was put in.Sep 07 19:39
schestowitzEach showing a selection of over 100 high-quality photosSep 07 19:39
twitter1it has been a long time since I had to drop down to "view source code" to grab textSep 07 19:39
_Hicham_schestowitz : did u use krita ?Sep 07 19:39
twitter1but the problem is still thereSep 07 19:39
schestowitzBrieflySep 07 19:39
wallclimberkrita is niceSep 07 19:39
_Hicham_it looks exactly like PhotoshopSep 07 19:39
wallclimberkrita will be available for windows soon too (I think)Sep 07 19:40
schestowitzWindows will be available for kritaSep 07 19:40
schestowitzKrita has laid out the red carpet for the 'friends' from RedmondSep 07 19:41
schestowitz:-pSep 07 19:41
wallclimberokay, i'm going to go play for a while, just wanted to see how to use the IRC thingie :)Sep 07 19:41
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schestowitztrmanco: does konversation do everything that xchat can? In the sense that the level of 'advanced features' is on par?Sep 07 19:42
wallclimberalso, how come open office is installed by default?  why not koffice?Sep 07 19:42
wallclimberi wonder...Sep 07 19:42
trmancoschestowitz: afaik, yesSep 07 19:42
schestowitzwallclimber: ?Sep 07 19:42
wallclimberyes...Sep 07 19:42
schestowitzOOo was not installed by default in 9.10Sep 07 19:42
schestowitzWHich is goodSep 07 19:42
schestowitzFor some people anywaySep 07 19:42
schestowitzRepos make it trivial to add all my favourite old appsSep 07 19:43
schestowitzOnly they look far better nowSep 07 19:43
wallclimberopen office is hereSep 07 19:43
schestowitzlike kdfSep 07 19:43
schestowitzkpgpSep 07 19:43
_Hicham_koffice is not as good as openofficeSep 07 19:43
schestowitzkcalcSep 07 19:43
wallclimberi'm using the alpha 5Sep 07 19:43
schestowitzcalc is now also a widgetSep 07 19:43
schestowitzwallclimber: alt+f2Sep 07 19:43
_Hicham_it doesn't support MS Office 2007 formatsSep 07 19:43
schestowitzwallclimber: did you get the gpu going?Sep 07 19:43
ThistleWebkonversation cant do transparency (when I last tried it anyway) where xchat can. Some dont want that though. As far as I know they're both pretty much equal to the otherSep 07 19:43
schestowitzFor desktop effects and wobbly windows?Sep 07 19:43
PetoKraus<_Hicham_> it doesn't support MS Office 2007 formatsSep 07 19:44
PetoKrausRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEESep 07 19:44
*trmanco is so dumbSep 07 19:44
schestowitz_Hicham_: nothing supports theseSep 07 19:44
schestowitzJust... well, same version of MS OFficeSep 07 19:44
_Hicham_Go-OO doesSep 07 19:44
schestowitzintraopSep 07 19:44
twitter1not even Office 2007Sep 07 19:44
schestowitz_Hicham_: nope. IncompleteSep 07 19:44
*trmanco tries to play music that are located on unmounted drives, then asks him self why amarok does not have any sound :|Sep 07 19:44
schestowitzNot even Office 2008 for MacsSep 07 19:45
schestowitzIt's not compatible with Office 2007Sep 07 19:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear Abbey. You suck. I know my date of birth and so do you. Your phone system does not. Fix it.Sep 07 19:45
_Hicham_better than nothingSep 07 19:45
schestowitzYet Mac enthusiasts pay for this junkSep 07 19:45
DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/best-buy-gives-in-to-microsoft-anti-linux-fud-has-seen-its-last-dollar-from-me-already-though/Sep 07 19:45
twitter1plain text is better still ->  _Hicham_: better than nothingSep 07 19:46
twitter1at least you can share text.Sep 07 19:46
_Hicham_why Microsoft does Software for Mac and not for Linux ?Sep 07 19:46
_Hicham_because Linux people are not willing to pay ?Sep 07 19:47
schestowitzNew Ubuntu Screens Installer http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=117Sep 07 19:47
schestowitzAmarok's integration with wikipedia is fantasticSep 07 19:47
schestowitzDoes iTunes or anything else do this?Sep 07 19:48
ThistleWebschestowitz: the changes to the installer is a great ideaSep 07 19:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] 60 Thousand Russian Teachers Will Learn Linux by the End of 2009 http://bit.ly/D62bHSep 07 19:48
schestowitzI listen to my collections with full articles about the bands before me, by defaultSep 07 19:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: thanksSep 07 19:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz so who at goldman sachs pissed murdoch off?Sep 07 19:51
wallclimberok, office stuff is gone, need inkscape and scribus now...much to do.  roy, haven't gotten to customizing the desktop yet, will do that nextSep 07 19:51
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schestowitzIs Spicebird The Best Desktop E-Mail Client? http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/spicebird-best-desktop-e-mail-client.htmlSep 07 19:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: heh. Also see http://bit.ly/10N9Y3Sep 07 19:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @openDemocracy [on oD] US forces criticised for charity hospital raid in Afghanistan, Carly Nyst : A Swedish human... http://bit.ly/t9fShSep 07 19:55
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schestowitzPerhaps kubuntu is more brushed up than ubuntu is next release? Ubuntu 9.10 “Karmic Koala” Alpha 5 Reviewed < http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2009/09/07/ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-alpha-5-reviewed/ >Sep 07 19:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me is looking for a system wide equalizer !kde !linux !kubuntuSep 07 20:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @trmanco: let's see where this one goes: http://ping.fm/qmXpHSep 07 20:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @trmanco: I already use ThunderBrowseSep 07 20:05
twitter1I'm a kmail fan.Sep 07 20:05
twitter1I should try out kopete and konversation.Sep 07 20:06
twitter1againSep 07 20:06
schestowitzIs it just ma having this issue? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=knode+drag+and+drop+kde4&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Sep 07 20:07
DaemonFCschestowitz, Shuttleworth has hinted that KDE may be the default environment on Ubuntu as some point if GNOME lags too far behind themSep 07 20:07
schestowitzThey designed it such that messages in knode can't moveSep 07 20:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: I know.Sep 07 20:07
schestowitzAkregator is good too, I hearSep 07 20:07
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sebsebsebhiSep 07 20:08
_Hicham_DaemonFC : when did shuttleworth say that ?Sep 07 20:08
schestowitzHey, sebsebseb Sep 07 20:08
DaemonFCin an interview last yearSep 07 20:08
sebsebsebschestowitz: hiSep 07 20:08
schestowitzb0rkB0orkB0rkSep 07 20:08
_Hicham_Monsieur sebsebsebSep 07 20:08
schestowitzTory MP to sue over sex smear email < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/dorries_writs/ >Sep 07 20:08
sebsebseb_Hicham_: uhmm?Sep 07 20:08
schestowitz_Hicham_: I think the Austrian pressSep 07 20:09
schestowitzOr Golem maybe?Sep 07 20:09
sebsebseb_Hicham_: what language is that or whateverSep 07 20:09
schestowitzHe gave parise to kdeSep 07 20:09
schestowitzShuttleworth uses kdeSep 07 20:09
schestowitzand gnomeSep 07 20:09
_Hicham_sebsebseb : are u french ?Sep 07 20:09
DaemonFCI'm torn between the two. I'd say overall, I like GNOME betterSep 07 20:09
schestowitzSo do many people, me includedSep 07 20:09
sebsebseb_Hicham_: noSep 07 20:09
schestowitzgnome is very robustSep 07 20:09
DaemonFCbut KDE's built-in compositor is coolSep 07 20:09
sebsebsebKDE hmmSep 07 20:09
*sebsebseb has never understood what the big deal is about KDESep 07 20:10
twitter1searches nicely, yes -> schestowitz: Akregator is good too, I hearSep 07 20:10
schestowitzSHane used itSep 07 20:10
*sebsebseb and now days as a desktop GUI would rather use KDE 3 than KDE 4, but uses Gnome :)Sep 07 20:10
schestowitz[bn shane]Sep 07 20:10
_Hicham_are u sure that shuttleworth uses kde ?Sep 07 20:10
*sebsebseb will use some KDE apps in Gnome, for example KonversationSep 07 20:11
DaemonFCprobably enough to know about where it is in respect to GNOMESep 07 20:11
DaemonFCit would be stupid to keep yourself in the dark in his positionSep 07 20:11
_Hicham_KDE has a very large arsenal of appsSep 07 20:11
schestowitzDaemonFC and trmanco use WP... so:Worm wiggles through weary WordPress < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/wordpress_worm/ >Sep 07 20:12
schestowitzOld versions of itSep 07 20:12
sebsebseb_Hicham_: sometimes a Gnome app is better than a KDE app, or a KDE app better than Gnome app it dependsSep 07 20:12
_Hicham_however, some key Linux apps still provide better gnome integrationSep 07 20:12
schestowitzk3b is the only burning facility I've used on gnu/linuxSep 07 20:12
schestowitzI wonder about konversationSep 07 20:12
schestowitzLet's give it a go...Sep 07 20:12
sebsebsebreally apps shoudn't be made for a DE,  they should just fit in with whatever DE or WM they are being used on right?Sep 07 20:12
_Hicham_example, Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMPSep 07 20:12
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah Konversation is an IRC clientSep 07 20:13
_Hicham_I use brasero for burning CDsSep 07 20:13
schestowitzI'll never know unless I trySep 07 20:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: used to  be running the  KDE 3 version in Ubuntu, but  then  I put on Karmic Alpha 4, so  I got a KDE 4 versionSep 07 20:13
sebsebsebboth pretty similar thoughSep 07 20:13
_Hicham_schestowitz is finally having time to explore news appsSep 07 20:13
sebsebsebin some ways I still prefer the KDE 3 one, but  this KDE 4 one will do the trickSep 07 20:13
_Hicham_KDE4 do have better graphicsSep 07 20:14
sebsebseb_Hicham_: dependsSep 07 20:14
sebsebseb,but in general I guess soSep 07 20:14
sebsebsebhowever KDE 4 as a GUI is way more bloated it seems, than  KDE 3Sep 07 20:14
_Hicham_the plasmoidsSep 07 20:14
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_Hicham_one of things that I don't understand in KDE is why everything is starting with K ?Sep 07 20:15
sebsebsebroy_: hello Roy on  Konversation  1.2-alpha6Sep 07 20:15
_Hicham_does it have to start with a K ?Sep 07 20:15
roy_YesSep 07 20:16
roy_Else it get monoised :-pSep 07 20:16
DaemonFCof Kourse it doesSep 07 20:16
roy_Let's see what's hereSep 07 20:16
_Hicham_senior roy_Sep 07 20:16
roy_I have the two clients on the two screensSep 07 20:16
roy_Seems like this one had all the features I needSep 07 20:16
_Hicham_let's exploreSep 07 20:16
*Received a CTCP VERSION from sebsebsebSep 07 20:16
*roy_ thinks of putting xchat in ~/binbucketSep 07 20:17
sebsebsebroy_: as in getting rid of it?Sep 07 20:17
roy_*bitbucket evenSep 07 20:17
roy_Well, it's qtSep 07 20:17
roy_Hi, I'm roySep 07 20:17
schestowitzHello roySep 07 20:17
roy_Are you a sockpuppetSep 07 20:17
schestowitzNone of your businessSep 07 20:17
roy_Oh well..Sep 07 20:17
*sebsebseb calls Xchat noobchat sometimes, because it's the one the noobs tend to use as wellSep 07 20:17
schestowitzWhatcha runningSep 07 20:18
sebsebseband I prefer Konversation :)Sep 07 20:18
roy_KonversationSep 07 20:18
schestowitzIt's rubbishSep 07 20:18
sebsebsebof course certain IRSSI people for example might say  Konversation is for noobs as well, but there we goSep 07 20:18
roy_Really?Sep 07 20:18
roy_I'd bust you upSep 07 20:18
schestowitzNo you won'tSep 07 20:18
schestowitzOopsSep 07 20:18
schestowitzI did it wrong with those puppetsSep 07 20:18
schestowitzAnywaySep 07 20:18
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roy_OK, let's see if everything's hereSep 07 20:19
_Hicham_DaemonFC : how much time does it take u to compile firefox ?Sep 07 20:19
twitter1who is this  K.Mandla dude?Sep 07 20:19
roy_There are more features in xchatSep 07 20:19
roy_In Konversation I get sweet oxygenSep 07 20:20
sebsebsebroy_:  I notice you seem to be on Ubuntu/Kubuntu doing Konversation?Sep 07 20:20
DaemonFC_Hicham_, It's been a whileSep 07 20:20
sebsebsebroy_: when I did the whoisSep 07 20:20
DaemonFCI've done it with GCC and with Microsoft Visual StudioSep 07 20:20
_Hicham_DaemonFC : and how much time did it take ?Sep 07 20:20
twitter1there is nothing wrong with what this person did -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1258215Sep 07 20:20
MinceRif ubuntu makes kde its default de, finally gubuntu can become real ;)Sep 07 20:20
sebsebsebMinceR: KDE 4 as a default no thanksSep 07 20:20
sebsebsebI like  good defaults :)Sep 07 20:21
sebsebsebnot having to customize to much to get something I likeSep 07 20:21
sebsebsebhence using GnomeSep 07 20:21
sebsebsebKDE 4 it's like uh,  I would have to customize this and that and this and thatSep 07 20:21
DaemonFC_Hicham_, It was on my old Athlon64 3200+ and it took about 15 hours I think using GCCSep 07 20:21
sebsebsebKubuntu KDE 3 isn't like that :)Sep 07 20:21
ThistleWeb"good defaults" is highly personalSep 07 20:21
MinceReverything is like i'll have to customize everythingSep 07 20:21
sebsebsebThistleWeb: indeedSep 07 20:21
_Hicham_15 hours ?Sep 07 20:21
DaemonFCit was ridiculousSep 07 20:21
MinceRthat's one of the reasons i don't use windblows or osxSep 07 20:21
DaemonFCcompiling a Linux kernel only took like maybe 3 hours on that thingSep 07 20:21
_Hicham_that is too muchSep 07 20:21
ThistleWeball it means is "the distro chose mostly what I happen to choose"Sep 07 20:21
_Hicham_weirdSep 07 20:22
_Hicham_compiling Firefox takes more time than compiling the kernelSep 07 20:22
sebsebsebMinceR: well  yeah by default in XP, you can't even use  3rd party themesSep 07 20:22
DaemonFCIf you're compiling for Windows, you should use MS Visual Studio if you already have a copy of it around, MinGW will get the job done thoughSep 07 20:22
sebsebsebMinceR: and Vista seems to be like this as wellSep 07 20:22
MinceRand what about vista7?Sep 07 20:23
sebsebsebI think with 7   like 98  they are letting people do other themesSep 07 20:23
sebsebsebby defaultSep 07 20:23
DaemonFCnope, just colorsSep 07 20:23
twitter1wootSep 07 20:23
DaemonFConly one themeSep 07 20:23
twitter1ha haSep 07 20:23
twitter1typicalSep 07 20:23
MinceRin 98, you only had the "classic" look that let you customize colorsSep 07 20:23
MinceRthe colors of that remained customizable in xpSep 07 20:23
MinceRdunno about vistaSep 07 20:23
_Hicham_I am compiling Firefox 3.6Sep 07 20:23
twitter1customize with gnu/linuxSep 07 20:23
DaemonFCYou have to crack the theming library to load your own themes on XP, Vista, or Windows 7Sep 07 20:23
ThistleWebboth MS and Apple work hard at branding, they want their desktops to be recognisable at a glanceSep 07 20:24
MinceRin osx, you can customize... the color of highlighted textSep 07 20:24
_Hicham_uxthemepatcherSep 07 20:24
sebsebseb_Hicham_: 3.5 you meant?Sep 07 20:24
DaemonFCthey use different theming formats thoughSep 07 20:24
ThistleWebthats why they limit what the user can changeSep 07 20:24
sebsebseb_Hicham_: yep that's what I was talking aboutSep 07 20:24
sebsebseb_Hicham_: you would have to use something like that, if you want  non Microsoft themes, in XPSep 07 20:24
_Hicham_sebsebseb : I am compiling 3.6 alpha1, released on augustSep 07 20:24
DaemonFCso much for Paul ThurrotSep 07 20:24
ThistleWebin many cases you cant tell which distro a linux screenshot it unless you look for small giveawaysSep 07 20:24
DaemonFC"Windows XP will no longer use Explorer, in fact, it will be based on a HIGHLY CUSTOMIZABLE XML interface"Sep 07 20:25
DaemonFCemphasis mineSep 07 20:25
sebsebseb_Hicham_: I thought about  putting that on, but I guess it won't be that differnet from 3.5Sep 07 20:25
DaemonFC_Hicham_, One of the major reasons to go with X86-64 distros is because there's not as much room to fudge on the optimizations of the binaries they provideSep 07 20:26
sebsebsebroy_: So you like Konversation so far?Sep 07 20:26
MinceRi thought the major reason was to take advantage of the extra features of your CPU :>Sep 07 20:26
DaemonFClike, you can still target i386 with x86 distributions, and forgo optimizations for processors later than thatSep 07 20:27
_Hicham_sebsebseb : I heard that there is a lot of performance improvements in 3.6Sep 07 20:27
DaemonFCand GCC will default to i387 optimizations instead of SSE2Sep 07 20:27
MinceRsome distros target i686 or some other random stepSep 07 20:27
DaemonFCyeah, but Fedora 12 is JUST NOW doing te full i686 optimizationsSep 07 20:27
_Hicham_DaemonFC : it is not about optimizations, I just want to make  sure that xulrunner is linked against the system librariesSep 07 20:28
DaemonFCif you use the 32-bit Fedora 9 or 10 you're really just effectively turning your Core 2 Duo into a really "fast" PentiumSep 07 20:28
_Hicham_Fedora's decision to go i686 is widely criticizedSep 07 20:29
DaemonFCoptimizing for processors that haven't been made in 15 years that your distro can't even run on is just stupidSep 07 20:29
sebsebsebThistleWeb: indeed distros tend to look similar,  because of Gnome, KDE,  XFCE, etcSep 07 20:29
_Hicham_there is still a lot of legacy hardwareSep 07 20:29
DaemonFCIf you're gonna complain about i686 optimizations, tell it walkingSep 07 20:29
DaemonFCbuy something post-1996Sep 07 20:30
DaemonFC:)Sep 07 20:30
_Hicham_and I didn't feel any performance improvementSep 07 20:30
_Hicham_maybe because X is still in a miserable stateSep 07 20:31
_Hicham_though it is betaSep 07 20:31
_Hicham_X -versionSep 07 20:31
DaemonFCI'd say a 1-2% performance improvement for several million people is worth more than pissing off 5 people who are still trying to make Fedora run on a 12 year old computerSep 07 20:32
DaemonFCthat's my opinionSep 07 20:32
_Hicham_This is a pre-release version of the X server from The X.Org Foundation.Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_It is not supported in any way.Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Bugs may be filed in the bugzilla at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/.Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Select the "xorg" product for bugs you find in this release.Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions please check theSep 07 20:32
_Hicham_latest version in the X.Org Foundation git repository.Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_See http://wiki.x.org/wiki/GitPage for git access instructions.Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_X.Org X Server 1.6.99.1Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Release Date: (unreleased)Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-128.4.1.el5xen i686Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Current Operating System: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.31-0.204.rc9.fc12.i686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 5 21:01:10 EDT 2009 i686Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Kernel command line: ro root=UUID=b71c56a4-246a-4179-b288-ec02ec16cf7a rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=fr rd_plytheme=chargeSep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Build Date: 02 September 2009  11:20:29PMSep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.6.99-45.20090903.fc12Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Current version of pixman: 0.16.0Sep 07 20:32
_Hicham_Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.orgSep 07 20:32
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yeah plus there are other distros that are more suitable for 12 year old computersSep 07 20:32
_Hicham_to make sure that you have the latest version.Sep 07 20:32
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, I like it but it's not compatible with the logging scripts I haveSep 07 20:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: logging scripts?Sep 07 20:33
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, daily logsSep 07 20:33
schestowitzkonv uses a different formatSep 07 20:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: I though that's the bot that logs?   logger_botSep 07 20:33
schestowitzYes, as backupSep 07 20:34
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Tell them to run DSL or Puppy Linux if they're still on a Pentium and trying to milk it for another few yearsSep 07 20:34
schestowitztwo computers need to do thisSep 07 20:34
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yep that's what I meant by distros that are more suitableSep 07 20:34
DaemonFCthose people remind me of when my dad kept his 1978 Plymouth til like 1992Sep 07 20:34
sebsebsebschestowitz: the KDE 3 version is pretty nice as well :)Sep 07 20:35
sebsebsebschestowitz: in some ways I still prefer the KDE 3 versionSep 07 20:35
schestowitzI can see.. it has many featuresSep 07 20:35
sebsebsebaltough they are both pretty similarSep 07 20:35
schestowitzEach has its strengthsSep 07 20:35
sebsebsebI use  nautilus, but   Dolphin seems nice, just like Konqueror doesSep 07 20:35
schestowitzIf I can figure out the log thing, that would seal the dealSep 07 20:35
sebsebsebin some ways I will prefer the KDE 3 version to the KDE 4 for those as well dependsSep 07 20:36
sebsebsebwith both versions of those programs as well, being pretty similarSep 07 20:36
schestowitzI have the odd option of running both clientsSep 07 20:37
schestowitzxchat and konvSep 07 20:37
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep  you can run more than on IRC client at once that's trueSep 07 20:37
schestowitzWith xchat just for loggingSep 07 20:38
schestowitzxchat is light anywaySep 07 20:38
schestowitzBut I'd rather run oneSep 07 20:38
schestowitzWIthout hacking the code, there's no option for changing the format of logs in konvSep 07 20:38
schestowitz_on_k[Monday 07 Sep 2009] [20:17:34] <roy_>Well, it's qtSep 07 20:38
schestowitz_on_kThat's konv formatSep 07 20:38
sebsebsebthis KDE 4 verson of Konversation seems pretty good, but   what I don't like is how it says for example  1,449  nicks   with the comma  instead of before  without  the comma, and  I guess it's in the settings some where maybe to change that, but I don't knowSep 07 20:39
sebsebsebschestowitz_on_k: it logs in  .txt I thinkSep 07 20:39
sebsebseband in one of the hidden foldersSep 07 20:39
sebsebsebschestowitz_on_k: big  knicks number, not this channal, but another one I am in  yesSep 07 20:40
schestowitzWhere else does it log?Sep 07 20:41
schestowitz~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logsSep 07 20:42
schestowitzThis is oneSep 07 20:42
sebsebsebyep that oneSep 07 20:42
schestowitzWhere else?Sep 07 20:42
sebsebsebI don't knowSep 07 20:42
sebsebsebI think that's it for the logsSep 07 20:42
sebsebsebas for the actsaul program user data files,  I don't know where those goSep 07 20:43
sebsebsebassuming there are someSep 07 20:43
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sebsebsebschestowitz_on_k: uh?Sep 07 20:44
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schestowitzIt messes up the commands in channelsSep 07 20:44
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schestowitzLet's try to network's channelSep 07 20:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: /join #channal works for meSep 07 20:45
schestowitz[20:45] [Error] /join: Unknown command.Sep 07 20:45
schestowitzHeheSep 07 20:45
schestowitzI'll leave it for nowSep 07 20:46
schestowitzNo practical aginSep 07 20:46
schestowitz*gainSep 07 20:46
sebsebsebschestowitz: well that's oddSep 07 20:47
schestowitzIt isSep 07 20:47
schestowitzSeems like a bugSep 07 20:47
sebsebsebschestowitz:   you just type in  /join #channal and hit enterSep 07 20:47
sebsebseband it should workSep 07 20:47
schestowitzIt's a beta, isn't it?Sep 07 20:47
schestowitzIt happens when I paste itSep 07 20:48
twitter1ahSep 07 20:48
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah it said alphaSep 07 20:49
twitter1is there a "paste as plain text" right click?Sep 07 20:49
sebsebsebschestowitz: ,but I haven't had problemsSep 07 20:49
twitter1funny things have been going on to support unicode in the X clipboardSep 07 20:49
sebsebsebschestowitz: the KDE 3 version is rather  nice and mature and stable, since been around quite a whileSep 07 20:49
twitter1bblSep 07 20:49
*sebsebseb thinks it's so sad that KDE 3 is on the verge of dieingSep 07 20:49
MinceRit could be forkedSep 07 20:50
MinceRif necessarySep 07 20:50
MinceRit's already pretty matureSep 07 20:50
DaemonFCGNOME 2.27.92 packages are landing in Karmic todaySep 07 20:50
twitter1quit trolling sebsebseb!Sep 07 20:50
sebsebsebtwitter1: what?Sep 07 20:50
twitter1hmph -> KDE 3 is on the verge of dieingSep 07 20:51
sebsebsebyeah KDE 3 is goodSep 07 20:51
sebsebseband so it's ashame that it is nearly deadSep 07 20:51
sebsebsebsince of that KDE 4 thingSep 07 20:51
sebsebseboh well I got Gnome :) and I can use the KDE apps that I like in it anywaySep 07 20:51
twitter1it's not dead, no free software ever diesSep 07 20:51
sebsebsebtwitter1: well  hardly anyone developes it anymore, if anyoneSep 07 20:52
twitter1says who?Sep 07 20:52
twitter1Lenny still uses it, that's a rather large community.Sep 07 20:52
twitter1eventually, it will be picked up by distros like DSL.Sep 07 20:52
twitter1if only in the form of stuff like OppieSep 07 20:53
twitter1only non free software ever really diesSep 07 20:53
twitter1bblSep 07 20:53
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schestowitz_loggI'm just swapping clients hereSep 07 20:56
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schestowitz_logtwitter: he ain't trolling. Quit accusing peopleSep 07 20:58
DaemonFCaccusing people of trolling when you disagree with them is trollingSep 07 20:59
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schestowitz_logtestSep 07 21:00
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schestowitz[ignore] testSep 07 21:02
schestowitz_logOK, doneSep 07 21:02
schestowitz_logsebsebseb: thanks, I've swapped primary client for IRCSep 07 21:02
schestowitz_logxchat will just logSep 07 21:02
sebsebsebschestowitz_log: oh your a Konversation user now?Sep 07 21:02
schestowitz_logNo, this is xchatSep 07 21:03
schestowitzThis is convSep 07 21:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah and there's also Quassel or whatever it's called, which  Kubuntu  is using by default or whatever nowSep 07 21:04
trmancodon't like quasselSep 07 21:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: I gave that one a look here and there, and  didn't like itSep 07 21:04
schestowitzI wanted a qt4 clientSep 07 21:05
schestowitzI don't mind so much about the restSep 07 21:05
schestowitzqt looks more pleasantSep 07 21:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] A copyright black hole swallows our culture http://bit.ly/1zkwXRSep 07 21:07
schestowitzDell waves job axe in Bracknell, keeps schtum on numbers < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/dell_bracknell_job_cuts/ >Sep 07 21:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #trmanco, JS always disabled and tabbed browsing make it fineSep 07 21:14
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schestowitzBN site unreachable for some reason. Not just me..Sep 07 21:18
schestowitztessier: ping.Sep 07 21:18
trmancohttp://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/Sep 07 21:19
trmancoIt's not just you! http://boycottnovell.com looks down from here.Sep 07 21:19
trmancohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7902435&postcount=1Sep 07 21:21
trmancohehSep 07 21:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: did  you do  the wrong /  earlier?   it's  /joinSep 07 21:22
schestowitzNo, it ought to have workedSep 07 21:22
twitter1no dos here -> schestowitz_on_k: /join #boycottnovellSep 07 21:22
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schestowitzOK, BN coming back nowSep 07 21:23
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twitter1thanks, anything new?Sep 07 21:23
schestowitztwitter1: I'm OK now.. on konversationSep 07 21:23
schestowitzIt has facilities for logging in on startup and joiningSep 07 21:23
twitter1how is it?Sep 07 21:23
schestowitzBetter than xchat in most wausSep 07 21:24
schestowitz*waysSep 07 21:24
twitter1ever used pidgin?Sep 07 21:24
schestowitzBest I've ever used in certain waysSep 07 21:24
schestowitzBut my basis for comparison is xchat and mirc in 1996/7Sep 07 21:24
twitter1that's a lot of IRCSep 07 21:24
schestowitzknode worries me cause it doesn't do drag and dropSep 07 21:24
schestowitzThey removed that functionalitySep 07 21:25
schestowitzI could not find similar complaintsSep 07 21:25
trmancohopefully they will add that backSep 07 21:28
schestowitzYeah, I can wait but not for monthsSep 07 21:29
schestowitzMaybe I'll change how I interact on USENET while I'm at itSep 07 21:29
trmancowowSep 07 21:29
schestowitzIt would annoy the trolls a lotSep 07 21:29
trmancomy process count and cpu usage went down after removing the gnome stuffSep 07 21:29
schestowitzI can't manage to use swapSep 07 21:30
trmancoI canSep 07 21:31
trmancoI've got only 1GBSep 07 21:31
trmancoand my version of update-notifier-kde has a memory leakSep 07 21:31
trmancowhen it checks for updates it will hit the 200 MB mark and not get any lower, it needs to be killed and restartedSep 07 21:32
trmancopython stuff... what can we doSep 07 21:32
trmanco:-pSep 07 21:32
schestowitzI wonder if tessier knows about the server... I've paged himSep 07 21:36
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DaemonFCplaying through KOTOR againSep 07 21:36
twitter1konversation 1.2~alpha4-2 ... ut ohSep 07 21:37
DaemonFChttp://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7426/screenshot3ex.pngSep 07 21:37
twitter1what am I installing?Sep 07 21:37
trmancoa great irc clientSep 07 21:40
trmancoI'm using that versionSep 07 21:40
trmancoalpha4Sep 07 21:40
trmancothere is an aplha6 but the ppa hasn't been updated yetSep 07 21:40
trmancoalpha*Sep 07 21:40
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twitter1interestingSep 07 21:45
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sebsebsebwelcome bad, nasty netsplitSep 07 21:49
sebsebsebwelcome back aboveSep 07 21:49
schestowitz<trmanco> and my version of update-notifier-kde has a memory leakSep 07 21:49
schestowitz<trmanco> when it checks for updates it will hit the 200 MB mark and not get any lower, it needs to be killed and restartedSep 07 21:49
schestowitz<trmanco> python stuff... what can we doSep 07 21:49
schestowitz<trmanco> :-pSep 07 21:49
schestowitz<schestowitz> I wonder if tessier knows about the server... I've paged himSep 07 21:49
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schestowitz<DaemonFC> playing through KOTOR againSep 07 21:49
schestowitz<twitter1> konversation 1.2~alpha4-2 ... ut ohSep 07 21:49
schestowitz<DaemonFC> http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7426/screenshot3ex.pngSep 07 21:49
schestowitz<twitter1> what am I installing?Sep 07 21:50
schestowitz<trmanco> a great irc clientSep 07 21:50
schestowitz<trmanco> I'm using that versionSep 07 21:50
schestowitz<trmanco> alpha4Sep 07 21:50
schestowitz<trmanco> there is an aplha6 but the ppa hasn't been updated yetSep 07 21:50
schestowitz<trmanco> alpha*Sep 07 21:50
schestowitz-BNc/#boycottnovell- [davidgerard] NotN: Placebos more effective than most new drugs http://notnews.today.com/?p=632Sep 07 21:50
twitter1ok, thanksSep 07 21:50
schestowitz<twitter1> interestingSep 07 21:50
schestowitzFIN.Sep 07 21:50
twitter1it's taking me a while to set up.Sep 07 21:50
schestowitznasty splot indeedSep 07 21:50
twitter1where did those characters come from ? <twitter1> interestingSep 07 21:50
schestowitzOK, BN is back online too :-DSep 07 21:52
trmancoohhhhSep 07 21:52
trmancowhat a featureSep 07 21:52
trmancoknode can fetch msgs from msg-idsSep 07 21:52
trmanco:DSep 07 21:53
trmancoschestowitz: try pircSep 07 21:54
trmancoa plasma plasmoid for kdeSep 07 21:54
trmancohttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/IRC+plasmoid?content=108428Sep 07 21:54
trmanco:-PSep 07 21:54
tessierhmmSep 07 21:54
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tessierServer back up now?Sep 07 21:54
tessierSome people are getting the page it seems.Sep 07 21:54
trmanco"Sep 07 21:55
trmancoAfter installing and running Windows 7 in a netbook with a Atom CPU and 1GBSep 07 21:55
trmancoRAM it become obvious that the CPU is too weak, the system felt sluggish,Sep 07 21:55
trmancoand after loading the AV, IM, VoIP, and Music Player, my default minimum,Sep 07 21:55
trmancolittle RAM is left for anything else and swapping ensues. Note that WindowsSep 07 21:55
trmanco7 was running trimmed down, no Aero, and several unneeded servicesSep 07 21:55
trmancodisabled. On the same machine Mandriva 2010.0 Cooker (still in Alpha) wasSep 07 21:56
trmancovery snappy even with some nice 3D desktop effects and lots more stuffSep 07 21:56
trmancorunning.Sep 07 21:56
trmanco"Sep 07 21:56
DaemonFCdamn itSep 07 21:56
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*DaemonFC is chokingSep 07 21:56
DaemonFCthe downstairs neghbor is spray painting something and the fumes drifted in through my windowSep 07 21:56
DaemonFCI turned the fan around and put it on highSep 07 21:57
DaemonFCit *was* a nice breezeSep 07 21:57
DaemonFC*neighborSep 07 21:57
twitter1don't light upSep 07 21:57
DaemonFCthat guy is a box of rocksSep 07 21:58
DaemonFCI should throw a lit cigarette out the window and be like "whoops"Sep 07 21:58
twitter1you might regret itSep 07 21:58
twitter1boomSep 07 21:58
DaemonFChe's already out there smokingSep 07 21:59
DaemonFCand drinking a beerSep 07 21:59
_Hicham_boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomSep 07 21:59
twitterquite the splitSep 07 21:59
XarverHaiSep 07 21:59
XarverLots of things going on :|Sep 07 22:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yay, the snake oil medicine spammers! #mocknblock @WellnessHillSep 07 22:01
DaemonFCas he spray paints without wearing a maskSep 07 22:01
DaemonFCstupid hickSep 07 22:01
DaemonFCI hate sharing the world with these peopleSep 07 22:01
schestowitztessier: yes, it was down for maybe 20 minutes since I saw itSep 07 22:02
_Hicham_go teach him how to paintSep 07 22:04
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DaemonFChmmmmSep 07 22:09
MinceRdon't you "hmmmm" usSep 07 22:10
ThistleWebhe was tuning his vocal chords before giving us a tuneSep 07 22:11
ThistleWebeither that or trying to do the brown note through IRCSep 07 22:11
DaemonFCfunnySep 07 22:12
_Hicham_Lord DaemonFCSep 07 22:12
_Hicham_lord of encodingSep 07 22:13
_Hicham_lets encode and decode everythingSep 07 22:13
*MinceR encodes _Hicham_ Sep 07 22:13
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DaemonFCI just got rick rolled by Last FMSep 07 22:14
MinceRlulzSep 07 22:14
trmancohehSep 07 22:14
_Hicham_MinceR : I am sending u a mac as a gift from meSep 07 22:14
MinceRyou can'tSep 07 22:15
MinceRbecause you don't know my addressSep 07 22:15
MinceRa pity, too... i could use a doorstop.Sep 07 22:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Skype on GNU/Linux is More Secure Than on Windows http://ping.fm/h2VU0Sep 07 22:17
DaemonFChttp://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8986/screenshotkv.pngSep 07 22:17
MinceRSkype is "Secure"? :>Sep 07 22:17
MinceRi don't think i can consider myself Rick Rolled if there's no sound accompanying the picture...Sep 07 22:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Issue of Linux Journal, Free Software Magazine on Linux Event http://ping.fm/PRVvO http://ping.fm/zdtFCSep 07 22:18
DaemonFCat least it's gone to playing something decent now :PSep 07 22:18
twitter1nothing is secure on Windows because Windows is a mess.Sep 07 22:18
twitter1but non free software should not be trustedSep 07 22:18
MinceRobfuscated proprietary software should be trusted even lessSep 07 22:19
twitter1The problems reported the other week, however, were Windows problems not Skype problems.Sep 07 22:19
twitter1The Skype people posted a blog about it.Sep 07 22:20
MinceRhttp://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/13186/203700.aspx   http://healthbase.netbase.com/Sep 07 22:20
twitter1said it was not their fault that Windows got it's mike hijacked.Sep 07 22:20
DaemonFCI think Last FM is trying to Rick Astley me until I pay for a premium accountSep 07 22:20
DaemonFCjust a guessSep 07 22:20
MinceRDrug & Medications for ballmer (2)Sep 07 22:21
MinceRCalcitriolSep 07 22:21
MinceRVitaminSep 07 22:21
MinceRPoison pillSep 07 22:22
MinceRBiomed MaterialSep 07 22:22
DaemonFChmmmSep 07 22:22
ThistleWebjust because it's non free, does not mean it shouldn't be trusted, merely that the trust moves from the software (as you can't see the source) to the providers of the softwareSep 07 22:23
DaemonFCVLC understands my headset microphoneSep 07 22:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linutop 3 - An Overview of Powerful Tiny Desktop http://ping.fm/72U6jSep 07 22:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Desktop Ahead of the Rest in USB 3.0 Support, Other Features http://ping.fm/UYJawSep 07 22:23
schestowitztrmanco: does SHIFT+TAB work for you in kde4?Sep 07 22:23
schestowitzIt is just some setting of mineSep 07 22:23
schestowitzI can't reverse-tabSep 07 22:23
ThistleWebschestowitz: tried ctrl+shoft+tab?Sep 07 22:23
_Hicham_Windows is secure, according to MiguelSep 07 22:23
ThistleWebshift*Sep 07 22:23
trmancoschestowitz: nopeSep 07 22:24
_Hicham_Miguel wants to bring Windows security model to LinuxSep 07 22:24
trmancoalt+tabSep 07 22:24
_Hicham_that is why he is so ambitious about monoSep 07 22:24
_Hicham_he said that .NET stack is the solution to absolute securitySep 07 22:24
trmancoschestowitz: or push your mouse to the upper left cornerSep 07 22:24
trmancobut really push itSep 07 22:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Girlfriend Moves to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/Uru1tSep 07 22:25
schestowitzThistleWeb: OH, it worksSep 07 22:28
schestowitzBUT...Sep 07 22:28
schestowitzIt always didSep 07 22:28
schestowitzSomething changed in the tabbing in knodeSep 07 22:28
schestowitzThe order of elements.Sep 07 22:28
schestowitzSo I can't reverse tab from message body to subject line like I'm used toSep 07 22:29
schestowitzI can tab from subject line to bodySep 07 22:29
schestowitzBut not in reverseSep 07 22:29
schestowitzVery offSep 07 22:29
schestowitz*oddSep 07 22:29
schestowitzWorked in previous versionSep 07 22:30
DaemonFCOn the phone with Comcast support (if you can call it that)Sep 07 22:30
schestowitzBut it's hardly a 'bug'.. more of a pet peeve for spoiled usersSep 07 22:30
DaemonFCfrom all the dinging noises, sounds like she's on XPSep 07 22:30
schestowitzWHat else?Sep 07 22:30
DaemonFCit keeps playing the "Exclamation" sound while she's typingSep 07 22:30
schestowitz*LOL*Sep 07 22:30
schestowitzThey probably don't change the wallpaper eitherSep 07 22:30
schestowitzThey don't know howSep 07 22:30
schestowitzStill teletubby land with Fisher Price GISep 07 22:31
schestowitz*GUISep 07 22:31
DaemonFCthey're gonna swap my modem out againSep 07 22:31
DaemonFCwoohooSep 07 22:31
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DaemonFCthis makes an RCA and a Motorola that have died on meSep 07 22:31
DaemonFCeven Comcast isn't using VistaSep 07 22:33
DaemonFCfor some reason they always ask me to start up their modem diagnostic software which I haven't ever even installedSep 07 22:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux 2.6.31 Reaches Its Last Release Candidate (Probably) http://ping.fm/jJKuy I'm already using this kernel on the desktopSep 07 22:35
schestowitzIn business, VERY few touch VistaSep 07 22:36
schestowitzWell less than 10%Sep 07 22:36
schestowitzMaybe 5% or lessSep 07 22:36
schestowitzIt was around that earlier this year, some argueSep 07 22:36
schestowitzVista is an African word meaning "not ready for consumption"Sep 07 22:36
_Hicham_DaemonFC likes VistaSep 07 22:37
_Hicham_and Windows 7 moreSep 07 22:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Currently listening to Einfach mehr Musik! by on m t h . H o u s e - ShoutedFM - [DSL] - powered by mthN [Amarok]. Test...Sep 07 22:39
trmancohehSep 07 22:39
_Hicham_trmanco : are u german ?Sep 07 22:40
trmanconopeSep 07 22:40
trmancothe best house isn't from my countrySep 07 22:41
_Hicham_Vista is preinstalled on laptopsSep 07 22:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Digital Restrictions Management Means to Linux http://ping.fm/uOsuySep 07 22:41
_Hicham_on all laptopsSep 07 22:41
trmancoI mean, in the country I live in right nowSep 07 22:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: well loads of companies will  upgrade to Vista version 2?Sep 07 22:41
_Hicham_nobody can change chatSep 07 22:41
_Hicham_Microsoft will start a free ship it serviceSep 07 22:41
_Hicham_and give Windows for freeSep 07 22:42
sebsebseb_Hicham_: would be nice if they let everyone with Vista upgrade to Windows 7 for free, but  I guess they don't want to kill Vista enough for that to happan :(Sep 07 22:42
_Hicham_Vista is already deadSep 07 22:42
sebsebseb_Hicham_: well  people still use it todaySep 07 22:43
_Hicham_a lot of peopleSep 07 22:43
sebsebsebyepSep 07 22:43
_Hicham_because there is not another alternativeSep 07 22:43
sebsebsebwell there's Apple, but  yeahSep 07 22:43
sebsebseband  most computer users don't know about Desktop LinuxSep 07 22:43
sebsebseb:(Sep 07 22:43
_Hicham_not all software is made for AppleSep 07 22:43
_Hicham_especially gamesSep 07 22:43
sebsebsebwellSep 07 22:44
_Hicham_most games exist on WindowsSep 07 22:44
sebsebsebdual bootsSep 07 22:44
sebsebseband virtual machinesSep 07 22:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment as a Powerful Tool for Bloggers http://ping.fm/xBf5W http://ping.fm/XxgZRSep 07 22:44
_Hicham_dual boot with what ?Sep 07 22:44
sebsebsebWindowsSep 07 22:44
_Hicham_people won't use LinuxSep 07 22:44
_Hicham_even though if it is preinstalledSep 07 22:44
sebsebseboh more and more people going Ubuntu as times goes on for exampleSep 07 22:45
_Hicham_because all what they know is windowsSep 07 22:45
_Hicham_in school they were taught windowsSep 07 22:45
sebsebsebalso even those that aren't that technical,  can normalley get on rather well with Ubuntu for example, if someone with know how, helps them out enoughSep 07 22:45
_Hicham_just IT nerds and pseudo nerdsSep 07 22:45
sebsebseband what you just said, that's part of the commercial  software vender lock in, oh and some schools do teach LinuxSep 07 22:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Windows Applications on GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/asf3kSep 07 22:46
_Hicham_"some schools"Sep 07 22:46
_Hicham_but most of them ...Sep 07 22:46
sebsebsebyep and, because of vender lock in and computer ignoranceSep 07 22:46
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sebsebsebalso   they say that the Windows IT technition is usaully the hardest to convert to Linux,  and to  get happy with itSep 07 22:55
sebsebseband so that's another issueSep 07 22:55
_Hicham_but we are strongly hoping to fix that bugSep 07 22:55
sebsebsebget happy with it?  I mean to stay with itSep 07 22:55
_Hicham_which ubuntu's first bugSep 07 22:55
sebsebseb_Hicham_: and I guess eventaully cloud computing will hit off a lot more, and  it will  come a time,  when  people start to reolize,  that they only really need a basic OS for what they are using a computer for, and Linux distros will  make a lot of sense to themSep 07 22:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small Review of Zenwalk 6.2 http://ping.fm/wE5dmSep 07 22:56
twitter1OK, I've finished de-spinning the "count me out of the revolution" article.  What we are really seeing is that people, especially Windows techs, are sick of "supporting windows"Sep 07 22:56
twitter1this is tremendously good news.Sep 07 22:56
twitter1Windows depends on a community to support it.Sep 07 22:56
sebsebseb_Hicham_: yeah I seen that before, the one about how Windows has most of the market for the desktopSep 07 22:56
twitter1that community has largely turned to free softwareSep 07 22:56
sebsebsebtwitter1: a community yeah, of IT shops and so on :DSep 07 22:57
_Hicham_I support Windows like twitter1 doesSep 07 22:57
twitter1they too are sick of WindowsSep 07 22:57
twitter1customers lose faith,Sep 07 22:57
sebsebseb_Hicham_: meaning?Sep 07 22:57
twitter1shops that don't move will lose outSep 07 22:57
_Hicham_I am planning to do some Windows business with twitter1Sep 07 22:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Assists Online Anonymity (to Those Requiring it) http://ping.fm/w8JcOSep 07 22:58
twitter1Windows has always depended on family members and friends of users to keep things running smoothly.  Now those people use gnu/linux.Sep 07 22:58
twitter1to fix their family computers, the just put gnu/linux on it.Sep 07 22:58
twitter1this is the end game for M$.Sep 07 22:58
_Hicham_of course I need a livecdSep 07 22:58
_Hicham_even for installing WindowsSep 07 22:59
_Hicham_Gparted is just doing greatSep 07 22:59
_Hicham_better than PartitionMagicSep 07 22:59
twitter1_Hicham_ last of the Windows installersSep 07 22:59
_Hicham_can I install Windows on twitter1's head ?Sep 07 22:59
twitter1noSep 07 23:00
twitter1I can tell you where to put it, but it would be rude ....Sep 07 23:00
_Hicham_I know that u r rudeSep 07 23:00
_Hicham_but I am not gonna insult uSep 07 23:00
_Hicham_I am a peaceful personSep 07 23:01
twitter1well then, I think you know where to shove Windows and insults.Sep 07 23:01
twitter1he heSep 07 23:01
_Hicham_and by the way, no bad words in this channel plzSep 07 23:02
twitter1Install where sun does not shine.Sep 07 23:02
_Hicham_those are the rulesSep 07 23:02
_Hicham_signed by Lord schestowitzSep 07 23:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Linux Targets HP BladeSystem Servers http://ping.fm/coy7MSep 07 23:09
sebsebsebLord schestowitz hehSep 07 23:12
sebsebseb_Hicham_: Windows business with twitter1 ????Sep 07 23:12
_Hicham_sebsebseb : yesSep 07 23:12
sebsebseband there are still people helping with Windows, that don't use Linux by the waySep 07 23:12
sebsebseb_Hicham_: what does that mean?Sep 07 23:12
_Hicham_twitter1 is a Windows geekSep 07 23:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Catalyst Driver for Linux is Released First with Ubuntu http://ping.fm/woOATSep 07 23:13
sebsebseboh a Windows geek :(Sep 07 23:13
_Hicham_I do use Linux and help with WindowsSep 07 23:14
twitter1I bite the heads off of Windows chickens in a carnival side show.Sep 07 23:14
sebsebsebtwitter1: [22:05] <twitter1> OK, I've finished de-spinning the "count me out of the revolution" article.  What we are really seeing is that people, especially Windows techs, are sick of "supporting windows"Sep 07 23:14
sebsebsebtwitter1: where's the article?Sep 07 23:14
_Hicham_I still can't recommend Linux to peopleSep 07 23:14
twitter1that's too bad _Hicham_Sep 07 23:14
*sebsebseb would rather not help with Windows these days, unless he is helping with a dual boot, Windows, and GNU/Linux, or helping with a virtual machine of Windows in GNU/LinuxSep 07 23:15
_Hicham_mainly because of internet connection problemsSep 07 23:15
twitter1I can't recommend Windows to anyone.Sep 07 23:15
twitter1Yeah, I heard Google has a lot of those.Sep 07 23:15
*twitter1 rolls eyesSep 07 23:15
_Hicham_If i have to recommend a distro, it would be mandrivaSep 07 23:16
trmancohttp://alioth.debian.org/~fjp/log/posts/debtree_0.7.3_-_Oh_what_tangled_webs_we_weave.htmlSep 07 23:16
_Hicham_it supports a wide range of internet connectionsSep 07 23:16
twitter1what kind of network issues are you having _Hicham_?Sep 07 23:16
_Hicham_twitter1 : USB ADSL Modems are only supported graphically in MandrivaSep 07 23:17
_Hicham_no other distros offers support for themSep 07 23:17
twitter1pppoe?Sep 07 23:17
_Hicham_yesSep 07 23:17
twitter1try kpppoeSep 07 23:17
_Hicham_doesn't workSep 07 23:17
_Hicham_tried it beforeSep 07 23:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sprint Choice of Android is Another Win for Linux Phones http://ping.fm/D8J4KSep 07 23:18
twitter1ask for a better modem, USB sucksSep 07 23:18
_Hicham_I knowSep 07 23:18
twitter1especially for something that's supposed to be "over ethernet"Sep 07 23:18
_Hicham_but main provider in here (and in other countries as well) forces u to have those nasty modemsSep 07 23:18
twitter1really?Sep 07 23:18
_Hicham_it is virtually over ethernetSep 07 23:18
_Hicham_yesSep 07 23:18
twitter1no, it's over USBSep 07 23:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Frankencamera is Powered by Linux http://ping.fm/KNy09Sep 07 23:19
_Hicham_over USBSep 07 23:19
twitter1I don't know.Sep 07 23:19
_Hicham_but it creates a virtual ethernet deviceSep 07 23:19
twitter1Lenny has a nice pppoe handler.Sep 07 23:19
_Hicham_that is why it is called suchSep 07 23:19
twitter1no, it's called such because someone is a moron.Sep 07 23:20
_Hicham_the guy who invented this tech ?Sep 07 23:20
twitter1no, the marketing droid from M$ who forced the name, probably the same person who told them to make it.Sep 07 23:21
twitter1anyway, just use pppoeconfSep 07 23:21
twitter1after you set it up, the customer never touches it again.Sep 07 23:21
twitter1it just works.Sep 07 23:21
twitter1don't know what to do about USB though.Sep 07 23:21
twitter1complain until you get a decent deviceSep 07 23:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz 2.6.31's been in Ubuntu 9.10 for a while nowSep 07 23:22
twitter1but that's a lame reason to discard the entire free software world.Sep 07 23:22
twitter1you might as well have discarded free software 10 years ago because M$ pushed winmodems onto everyone.Sep 07 23:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i heartily recommend the linutops to anyone as a silent household/bedroom file and video serverSep 07 23:23
twitter1the world moves on and the junk goes to the trashSep 07 23:23
twitter1the greatest irony of your USB modem is that it probably uses gnu/linux to run itself.Sep 07 23:24
MinceRjust like the Logitech G19 keyboardSep 07 23:24
MinceRLinux runs inside, no drivers for Linux.Sep 07 23:24
MinceRdoes this mean we need GPLv4? :)Sep 07 23:25
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_Hicham_I just sent the firmwares to the kernel teamSep 07 23:25
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_Hicham_there is some GUI to configure it, like UbuDSLSep 07 23:26
_Hicham_but it has problemsSep 07 23:26
_Hicham_Mandriva's tool, drakconnect, is just the bestSep 07 23:26
_Hicham_I can even say that it is better than NetworkManagerSep 07 23:27
_Hicham_the sad thing is that it can't be used on other distrosSep 07 23:27
_Hicham_because it is so deeply depending on MandrivaSep 07 23:27
MinceRthey could just rename it "Conectiva" :>Sep 07 23:27
MinceR(drakconnect, that is)Sep 07 23:28
_Hicham_rename what ?Sep 07 23:28
_Hicham_have u used drakconnect before ?Sep 07 23:28
MinceRnopeSep 07 23:28
MinceRi'm just having fun with wordsSep 07 23:29
_Hicham_Mandriva's tools are greatSep 07 23:29
_Hicham_porting them isn't easySep 07 23:29
_Hicham_I prefer Mandriva Control Center to YastSep 07 23:30
_Hicham_I think that schestowitz have the same preferenceSep 07 23:31
twitter1Vista 7 Failure Log is updated with Broken UAC story http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215957Sep 07 23:31
trmancohmmSep 07 23:31
trmancoDigg is the only website AFAIK that has problems with konqSep 07 23:31
_Hicham_trmanco : swith to webkitSep 07 23:32
trmancofonts are too smallSep 07 23:32
twitter1M$ Death Watch is updated with story of third lawsuit that claims WGA is spyware http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707Sep 07 23:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Linux-ready Chips Targets Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/PYDfySep 07 23:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Free Software Changes Computing Through Apache http://ping.fm/E1jm3Sep 07 23:37
trmancowowSep 07 23:39
trmancowebkit on konq is twice as fast as khtmlSep 07 23:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenOffice.org 3.2 Plans Laid Out http://ping.fm/7RjuWSep 07 23:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DesktopBSD 1.7 is Out http://ping.fm/aKXVMSep 07 23:50
twitter1Article mentions Vista as the target.... -> More Linux-ready Chips Targets Sub-notebooksSep 07 23:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IDG New Zealand Writer Explains Why GPL is Good for Businesses http://ping.fm/DhdddSep 07 23:57
twitter1fat chip consuming more power and silicon that's priced cheaper.... Intel is helping their M$ buddies.Sep 07 23:57

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