IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 11th, 2009

Diablo-D3and they aren't trying for that eitherSep 11 00:00
Diablo-D3they are merely trying to be profitableSep 11 00:00
Diablo-D3they've just forgotten how they came into beingSep 11 00:00
Diablo-D3if you can't change to meet the world's demands, the world leaves you behindSep 11 00:00
MinceRno, this doesn't qualify for "merely trying to be profitable"Sep 11 00:00
MinceRthat's a very bad excuseSep 11 00:00
Diablo-D3if you try to push the world in a different direction, the world runs you overSep 11 00:00
Diablo-D3microsoft _is_ getting run over.Sep 11 00:00
Diablo-D3MinceR: no, thats exactly what happensSep 11 00:00
Diablo-D3when you grow that big you _have_ to push the world aroundSep 11 00:01
Diablo-D3because you're no longer efficientSep 11 00:01
cubezzzI think GNU/Linux is strong enough to survive anything Microsoft can doSep 11 00:01
MinceR"you killed people on the street and took their wallets!" "but i was merely trying to be profitable!" "oh, ok. then please continue, sorry for bothering you"Sep 11 00:01
Diablo-D3MinceR: I didnt say thatSep 11 00:01
Diablo-D3I said microsoft cannot be efficient at that sizeSep 11 00:01
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Diablo-D3to stay in business they must be evilSep 11 00:01
MinceRthen they should exist at that sizeSep 11 00:01
MinceRthey claimed to be a tech companySep 11 00:02
MinceRso they should do technologySep 11 00:02
Diablo-D3google is a study into what the most efficient size isSep 11 00:02
MinceRif they can't, they can piss offSep 11 00:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sony Insider: #PlayStation 3 May Regain #GNU #Linux Support http://bit.ly/zNLJcSep 11 00:02
Diablo-D3see above, MinceRSep 11 00:02
Diablo-D3microsoft doesnt have to dieSep 11 00:02
Diablo-D3they just dont understand their optionsSep 11 00:02
MinceRand what i said with that hypothetical conversation is exactly how many people handle businesses, btwSep 11 00:02
cubezzzthey should be reduced severelySep 11 00:02
MinceRprofit is the universal excuseSep 11 00:02
Diablo-D3MinceR: profit is the universal driveSep 11 00:02
MinceRDiablo-D3: they have to die, or we have toSep 11 00:03
Diablo-D3thats what companies exist to do.Sep 11 00:03
MinceRand i'd rather have them die.Sep 11 00:03
Diablo-D3they dont have to die: they have to be efficient.Sep 11 00:03
MinceRm$ has identified the rest of the world as the enemySep 11 00:03
Diablo-D3microsoft is not efficientSep 11 00:03
MinceRthey can't be efficientSep 11 00:03
Diablo-D3if microsoft does not become efficient, its not that they "should" or "must" die, they _will_ dieSep 11 00:03
Diablo-D3and not by our handsSep 11 00:03
Diablo-D3we will have nothing to do with itSep 11 00:03
MinceRbut they will die slowlySep 11 00:03
MinceRand they'll keep on strangling us while they doSep 11 00:03
Diablo-D3they aren't strangling usSep 11 00:04
MinceRand we shouldn't allow them to do soSep 11 00:04
MinceRyes they areSep 11 00:04
MinceRlook at what they did to the IT industrySep 11 00:04
MinceRthey almost killed the whole thingSep 11 00:04
Diablo-D3there is no IT industrySep 11 00:04
Diablo-D3not the way you're talking aboutSep 11 00:04
MinceR(and technology would have followed; then civilization)Sep 11 00:04
Diablo-D3microsoft has been ejected out of the enterprise market because microsoft is not efficientSep 11 00:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NEC Electronics Partnership Forms Around #Linux http://bit.ly/3SxsfSep 11 00:05
Diablo-D3the enterprise market's strongest drive outside of money is efficiencySep 11 00:05
MinceRor because they've been one of the vilest things humanity has ever seenSep 11 00:05
Diablo-D3MinceR: everything is vile.Sep 11 00:05
Diablo-D3microsoft isnt even the largest offenderSep 11 00:05
MinceRto differing extentsSep 11 00:05
MinceRthey're one of the largest offendersSep 11 00:05
Diablo-D3they're small fries, sadlySep 11 00:05
Diablo-D3look at the big players, look at the oil industry for oneSep 11 00:05
Diablo-D3they're vileSep 11 00:05
cubezzzstandard oil was broken upSep 11 00:06
MinceRm$ wasn't even punishedSep 11 00:06
Diablo-D3ms's punishment has already been decried by the world, MinceRSep 11 00:07
Diablo-D3nothing the DoJ can do is as bad as whats coming upSep 11 00:07
MinceRthat's no excuseSep 11 00:07
Diablo-D3if microsoft refuses to become efficient, they will cease.Sep 11 00:07
MinceRthe DoJ has found them guilty but did nothingSep 11 00:07
cubezzzthe DOJ should have protected netscape btwSep 11 00:07
MinceRthat's not how it's supposed to workSep 11 00:07
cubezzznow netscape is dead and microsoft wasn't affectedSep 11 00:07
Diablo-D3MinceR: no, but what can the DoJ do? microsoft's time was already nearing to a close thenSep 11 00:07
MinceRthey could have broken m$ upSep 11 00:08
MinceRor closed it downSep 11 00:08
Diablo-D3MinceR: its like putting a dying man on death row.Sep 11 00:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Apple saves world from Commodore 64 nuclear attack http://notnews.today.com/?p=638Sep 11 00:08
cubezzzin 1998, microsoft was near their zenithSep 11 00:08
MinceRor having them pay a penalty that would actually hurt themSep 11 00:08
Diablo-D3MinceR: not worth itSep 11 00:08
MinceRpreferably the latter twoSep 11 00:08
MinceRyes it isSep 11 00:08
Diablo-D3netscape obiwanned the problemSep 11 00:08
MinceRclosing down m$ would be an instant boost to the IT industrySep 11 00:08
MinceRone we've never seen beforeSep 11 00:08
Diablo-D3MinceR: read what I wrote.Sep 11 00:08
MinceRand making them pay would mean a lot of money going to commonsSep 11 00:08
MinceRDiablo-D3: read what i wrote :>Sep 11 00:09
MinceRand some of that money would have been spent usefullySep 11 00:09
Diablo-D3I doubt itSep 11 00:09
MinceRobviously, most of it would have been stolen, of courseSep 11 00:09
cubezzzjust put out computers with different OSes in stores, that's all I wantSep 11 00:09
Diablo-D3cubezzz: I dontSep 11 00:09
Diablo-D3I'd rather computers stop being sold with operating systems if they're not intergrated systemsSep 11 00:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Financial Sectors in #Australia Dump #Windows for #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/3RwQC4Sep 11 00:10
cubezzzDiablo-D3, ok what then, blank?Sep 11 00:10
Diablo-D3an OS is just another part.Sep 11 00:10
Diablo-D3I buy parts, I dont buy computersSep 11 00:10
MinceRi think installing an OS should be an option.Sep 11 00:10
MinceRsure you doSep 11 00:10
cubezzzright, that's what a lot of us doSep 11 00:10
MinceRbut many people buy computers already builtSep 11 00:10
Diablo-D3now, I do believe there is a market for intergrated linux systemsSep 11 00:10
cubezzzbut other folks might want a complete package dealSep 11 00:10
Diablo-D3netbooks shouldnt exist the way they doSep 11 00:10
Diablo-D3the whole netbook market is retardedSep 11 00:11
Diablo-D3netbooks should be intergrated systemsSep 11 00:11
MinceRwhat do you mean by that?Sep 11 00:11
Diablo-D3look at the iphoneSep 11 00:11
Diablo-D3its not a "computer"Sep 11 00:11
Diablo-D3yet, clearly, it isSep 11 00:11
MinceRand no, it isn't retarded, just most people don't realize what they are aboutSep 11 00:11
MinceRthe hypePhone is a piece of shit.Sep 11 00:11
Diablo-D3it runs a version of osxSep 11 00:11
Diablo-D3android phones are the same waySep 11 00:11
MinceRwhich is a piece of shitSep 11 00:11
MinceRand so is androidSep 11 00:11
Diablo-D3they're intergrated linux systemsSep 11 00:11
Diablo-D3they exist for one purpose alone and are built for that purposeSep 11 00:12
MinceRbut at least android qualifies for being a smartphone osSep 11 00:12
cubezzzzaurus was pretty good though, you can pretty much compile everythingSep 11 00:12
MinceRwell, existing for one purpose alone sucksSep 11 00:12
MinceRalso, it's for cheap phonesSep 11 00:12
cubezzziphone I would never even considerSep 11 00:12
Diablo-D3MinceR: not entirelySep 11 00:12
MinceRwhich already existSep 11 00:12
Diablo-D3the problem with not using linux is you're limiting yourselfSep 11 00:12
Diablo-D3look at, say, the PSPSep 11 00:12
trmanco"Kroah-Hartman says there are coding style guidelines and that Microsoft's code did not match those. "That's normal and not a big deal. It happens with a lot of companies," he said. But the large number of patches did turn out to be quite a bit of work, he noted. "Sep 11 00:12
MinceRthe whole point of general purpose computers is that you get to choose what it doesSep 11 00:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MIT Uses #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux in the Clusters http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N34/inshort.htmlSep 11 00:13
trmanco"He said Thursday that Microsoft still has not contributed any patches around the drivers.Sep 11 00:13
Diablo-D3MinceR: but general purpose computing isn't the complete answerSep 11 00:13
trmanco"They say they are going to contribute, but all they have submitted is changes to update the to-do list."Sep 11 00:13
MinceRkroah-hartman should be prevented from messing with linux any moreSep 11 00:13
trmancoto-do list hehSep 11 00:13
Diablo-D3MinceR: you need both.Sep 11 00:13
MinceRif there's no other way, linux must be forked before kroah-hartman kills it for his masters.Sep 11 00:13
Diablo-D3like, look at the PSPSep 11 00:13
Diablo-D3its designed for it's taskSep 11 00:13
cubezzzthe good thing is no one controls LinuxSep 11 00:13
MinceRDiablo-D3: i don't. stupid consumers might need retard systemsSep 11 00:13
trmancohttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/091009-linux-chief-microsoft.html?hpg1=bnSep 11 00:14
MinceRso let them have them.Sep 11 00:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Putting #GNU #Linux on #Mac Laptops or Desktops Claimed Easy http://bit.ly/16IsDUSep 11 00:14
MinceRand let me have my smart devices.Sep 11 00:14
Diablo-D3MinceR: thats the entire thingSep 11 00:14
MinceR...or give them smart devices with safe defaults.Sep 11 00:14
Diablo-D3smart and dumb are just words that make up shitSep 11 00:14
cubezzzanother thing I personally want is programming specs for all my hardwareSep 11 00:14
cubezzzI'm getting closer to thatSep 11 00:14
Diablo-D3if everything ran linux, everything would be smartSep 11 00:14
Diablo-D3AND everything would still be built for a purposeSep 11 00:14
MinceRwhat i want is putting engineers back in charge of ITSep 11 00:14
Diablo-D3what I want is putting ME back in charge of IT.Sep 11 00:14
Diablo-D3thats what linux doesSep 11 00:14
MinceRinstead of failed lawyers (m$) and marketroids (crApple)Sep 11 00:14
MinceRDiablo-D3: you never was in charge.Sep 11 00:15
MinceR:>Sep 11 00:15
MinceRs/was/were/Sep 11 00:15
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes I amSep 11 00:15
Diablo-D3I have two computers infront of me, they do what I wantSep 11 00:15
MinceRthat's a tiny slice of ITSep 11 00:15
Diablo-D3I dont mean me specificallySep 11 00:15
Diablo-D3its the whole locking out of the ownerSep 11 00:15
MinceRwhy did you say you, then?Sep 11 00:15
Diablo-D3MinceR: me, plural.Sep 11 00:15
MinceRughSep 11 00:15
Diablo-D3a royal me.Sep 11 00:16
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MinceRthat's "us"Sep 11 00:16
Diablo-D3its us if you wanna say something slightly differentSep 11 00:16
cubezzzroyal we, I didn't know there was a royal me :)Sep 11 00:16
Diablo-D3cubezzz: I've been abusing english before you were bornSep 11 00:16
cubezzz1965Sep 11 00:16
MinceRalso, a device designed for one task and locked into doing only that task is indeed locking out the ownerSep 11 00:16
Diablo-D3MinceR: not trueSep 11 00:16
cubezzzbefore then?Sep 11 00:16
Diablo-D3MinceR: a device that runs a legitimate distro of linux can do anything I wantSep 11 00:17
Diablo-D3MinceR: its just _designed_ for a specific taskSep 11 00:17
MinceRDiablo-D3: a device that runs a legitimate distro of linux has the capability to be a general-purpose computerSep 11 00:17
MinceRit isn't a hypePhone and it isn't a PSP.Sep 11 00:17
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes, but it _isnt_ oneSep 11 00:17
Diablo-D3if I ran linux on the iphone and the psp, they'd still be built exactly for that taskSep 11 00:17
cubezzzI know a guy who ported chess to his router :)Sep 11 00:17
cubezzzthe router is a computerSep 11 00:18
MinceRit's a computer that happens to have default settings/apps for a specific task.Sep 11 00:18
Diablo-D3MinceR: its still a computer periodSep 11 00:18
Diablo-D3its just in a fancy new box.Sep 11 00:18
MinceRit's still a general-purpose computer.Sep 11 00:18
Diablo-D3general computing, ultimately, says what box it comes in.Sep 11 00:18
Diablo-D3my workstation is as general computing as it getsSep 11 00:18
Diablo-D3I cant take it anywhere, but it can do everything really well.Sep 11 00:19
Diablo-D3to take it with me, it becomes a laptop, I loose what tasks I can do.Sep 11 00:19
cubezzzI think the programming specs for stuff like cards and chips is uber-importantSep 11 00:19
Diablo-D3to fit it in my pocket, I lose even more tasksSep 11 00:19
cubezzzthen from there you get your drivers for everythingSep 11 00:19
Diablo-D3to get rid of the keyboard, I lose someSep 11 00:19
Diablo-D3I can still actually run themSep 11 00:19
Diablo-D3it just sucks to trySep 11 00:19
Diablo-D3but the flexability is there to do what _I_ want.Sep 11 00:20
Diablo-D3its not making iphones and psps general purpose, its making them human friendlySep 11 00:20
MinceRidiot-friendly?Sep 11 00:20
Diablo-D3not at allSep 11 00:20
Diablo-D3ever take a look at, say, star trek?Sep 11 00:20
cubezzzI'm just thinking about BSD and I can't recall if I ever saw it on floppiesSep 11 00:20
MinceRi've seen some of STSep 11 00:21
Diablo-D3star trek was based on ideas that wern't fleshed out yetSep 11 00:21
Diablo-D3but one of the ideas star trek almost invented was real honest to god cloud computingSep 11 00:21
cubezzzhmmm?Sep 11 00:21
Diablo-D3not the bullshit sun and ibm and those faggots try to pass offSep 11 00:21
cubezzzhow about the suicide booths? :)Sep 11 00:21
cubezzzremember that one?Sep 11 00:22
Diablo-D3but where you, say, have something the size of a netbook on a planetSep 11 00:22
Diablo-D3and your ship is in orbitSep 11 00:22
cubezzzPADs I think they called themSep 11 00:22
MinceRthen you can ssh to the shipSep 11 00:22
MinceRnot really a novel idea :>Sep 11 00:22
cubezzzor tricoders maybeSep 11 00:22
Diablo-D3MinceR: basicallySep 11 00:22
Diablo-D3it uses nearby systems to complete the taskSep 11 00:22
Diablo-D3its not a dumb terminalSep 11 00:22
Diablo-D3but its not working on it's own eitherSep 11 00:23
MinceRso it's a distributed computing architectureSep 11 00:23
Diablo-D3on the widest scaleSep 11 00:23
Diablo-D3its real cloud computingSep 11 00:23
MinceRit figures out where to run processes on its ownSep 11 00:23
MinceRthat would be interestingSep 11 00:23
Diablo-D3this is whats wrong with cell phones and psps and shitSep 11 00:23
MinceRthough i can figure that out for myself for the time being :>Sep 11 00:23
Diablo-D3when they're locked down, no one can ever make it happenSep 11 00:23
Diablo-D3this is what Im getting atSep 11 00:23
MinceR(unless my infrastructure will be made of scattered tiny computers all over the place)Sep 11 00:23
Diablo-D3if they all ran linux, I have the option of doing what I wantSep 11 00:24
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Diablo-D3but I dont loose the feature of what they areSep 11 00:24
cubezzzwell trek was pretty optimisticSep 11 00:24
Diablo-D3iphones are _designed_ to be portable and smallSep 11 00:24
Diablo-D3that in itself is a great featureSep 11 00:24
cubezzzespecially the transporter :)Sep 11 00:24
MinceRno, hypePhones were designed to be shiny, locked down crapSep 11 00:24
Diablo-D3the problem with apple is they lock the platform downSep 11 00:24
Diablo-D3I cant _do_ anything with itSep 11 00:24
MinceRin fact, everything from crApple is designed to be shiny, locked-down, useless crapSep 11 00:25
Diablo-D3I'd like to buy an itouch and run android on itSep 11 00:25
Diablo-D3and then buy an htpcSep 11 00:25
MinceRand usually they fail at the "shiny" part and come up with something that looks like a toilet lidSep 11 00:25
Diablo-D3and run some sort of htpc android on thatSep 11 00:25
Diablo-D3and then setup a huge data serverSep 11 00:25
MinceRi'm more interested in maemo than android :>Sep 11 00:25
Diablo-D3and then connect my androided itouch to magical airwavesSep 11 00:26
Diablo-D3so I can be anywhere in the world and access my dataSep 11 00:26
Diablo-D3_this_ is what linux on all devices is.Sep 11 00:26
MinceRi think what gnu/linux on all devices is that you can use the hardware they're made of to the fullestSep 11 00:26
Diablo-D3exactlySep 11 00:26
MinceRin the way you want to.Sep 11 00:26
Diablo-D3linux _is_ efficiencySep 11 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.31 is Released Packed with Great New Features http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/9/9/357 http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/ ...Sep 11 00:27
Diablo-D3anytime a company tells me no, they are making me less efficient.Sep 11 00:27
MinceR(i say gnu/linux because one of the ways in which android fails is that they omit gnu)Sep 11 00:27
Diablo-D3the world has no time for these people.Sep 11 00:27
Diablo-D3now do you understand, MinceR?Sep 11 00:27
MinceRi doSep 11 00:27
MinceRstill, the world is too slow to realize that it has no time for these peopleSep 11 00:27
Diablo-D3people like you and I exist "in the future"Sep 11 00:28
Diablo-D3we're living about 10 years ahead of everyone elseSep 11 00:28
Diablo-D3where I'm standing, the world already forgot about microsoftSep 11 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Plans for #Linux 2.6.32 Outlined http://bit.ly/2IBmL http://bit.ly/QOzc7Sep 11 00:29
Diablo-D3I've even relegated my XP install in virtualbox to ... well, legacy softwareSep 11 00:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] More Free Software Goodness in Linux Graphics[News] More Free Software Goodness in Linux Graphics http://bit.ly/Q1Tm1Sep 11 00:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #FreeSoftware Goodness in #Linux #Graphics http://bit.ly/Q1Tm1 http://bit.ly/fLaEXSep 11 00:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Publishes Videos and Other New Material About Enterprise #GNU #Linux 6 http://bit.ly/CEXmBSep 11 00:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu and #RedHat Show Their Virtualisation Cards http://bit.ly/aWrEhSep 11 00:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu and #RedHat Show Their #Virtualisation Cards http://bit.ly/aWrEh http://bit.ly/Da1mFSep 11 00:41
cubezzzagain, a shame commodore didn't surviveSep 11 00:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Still awaiting the RC of Wolvix...been a impressed with that distro ever since the beta of V2.Sep 11 00:48
schestowitzcubezzz: we have ps3Sep 11 00:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and I wonder how many of them had been sold a PC on the back of those Microsoft sales courses some stores ran? #microsoft #windows #xpSep 11 00:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin the personal story of #Wolvix is special. The developer I meanSep 11 00:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz yeah I was interested to hear about that one but can't find any links on it.Sep 11 00:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] what's the opposite of opposite?Sep 11 00:58
schestowitzSame?Sep 11 00:58
ThistleWebschestowitz: maybeSep 11 00:59
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ThistleWebit just occurred to me that I didn't know and never thought about it before, is there an opposite of opposite?Sep 11 00:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BestBuy Staff/Customers to be Indoctrinated by #Free oftware Advocates http://trygnulinux.com/sfd09/wiki/doku.phpSep 11 01:02
ThistleWeb\o/ another dokuwikiSep 11 01:04
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: yep people that run  Desktop Linux today, are in a way living in the future alreadySep 11 01:04
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: assuming that most other computer users wil be running it on the desktop in the future as wellSep 11 01:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mac Devs 'Steal' #GPL Code and Violate Licensing http://bit.ly/ekNdySep 11 01:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attempts at Web #Censorship in #Australia Backfire http://bit.ly/UvNGcSep 11 01:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle Shills for MySQL Swallowing http://bit.ly/EelUU Why don't they mention mysql?Sep 11 01:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New# AstroTurf by 'Energy' Companies and #Banksters http://www.prwatch.org/node/8544 http://bit.ly/CP6YOSep 11 01:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Massive Failure for #IntellectualMonopolies http://techdirt.com/articles/20090909/0009166136.shtmlSep 11 01:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MIAA #MPAA ( #MAFIAA ) Shunned by Those Whom it Supposedly Represents http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8247376.stmSep 11 01:26
sebsebsebanyone about still?Sep 11 01:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Imaginary Property Cannot be Compared to Physical Things http://techdirt.com/articles/20090908/1319056130.shtmlSep 11 01:27
Diablo-D3[08:03:27] <ThistleWeb> it just occurred to me that I didn't know and never thought about it before, is there an opposite of opposite?Sep 11 01:27
Diablo-D3inverse?Sep 11 01:27
Diablo-D3Im not sure what you're talking aboutSep 11 01:28
Diablo-D3opposite is just a relationship, there are others.Sep 11 01:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents as Ransom Tools: Your Money or Your Life http://bit.ly/14dJcZSep 11 01:29
ThistleWebit's word play, I do that a lot. Some things strike me as bizarreSep 11 01:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Down Almost for the Whole Weekend http://bit.ly/1jfiME Will l anyone notice?Sep 11 01:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] i4i Tells World About Ugly Nature of #Microsoft http://bit.ly/336NV2Sep 11 01:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #i4i Tells World About Ugly Nature of #Microsoft http://bit.ly/336NV2Sep 11 01:37
zlgopposite of opposite is the originalSep 11 01:37
ThistleWebzlg: good answerSep 11 01:39
ThistleWebI had to bounce that about in my mind for a min to get it, but yeah that's the best answer I've seenSep 11 01:40
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zlgthanks :) (and so did i).Sep 11 01:42
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yuhongI took a look at this case of Comcast "astroturfing", it appears that there was disclosure added to the end of the comments:Sep 11 01:44
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/01/comcast-astroturfing-with-radian6/Sep 11 01:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxFoundation Finds Out That #Microsoft Hatred is Not a Disease http://bit.ly/RCqciSep 11 01:45
yuhonghttp://conversation.radian6.com/AiHAlerts/landing.php?userKey=4b16c8fc9ce220b0cef7a5ec6101c8d0&blogPostId=1688426188&topicFilterIds=53604&clientId=4&link=http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/comcast-internet-service-down-for-over-nine-hours-last-night/Sep 11 01:45
schestowitzHi, yuhongSep 11 01:45
yuhongNotice the disclosure at the end of the comment.Sep 11 01:45
yuhongHi.Sep 11 01:45
schestowitzDoesn't matterSep 11 01:45
schestowitzThat's not the pointSep 11 01:45
yuhongWhy?Sep 11 01:45
yuhongWhat is the point.Sep 11 01:46
schestowitzThey are hounding criticsSep 11 01:46
schestowitzAnd silencing themSep 11 01:46
yuhongYes, but at least they post only one comment and disclose the Comcast relationship.Sep 11 01:47
yuhongHere it is:Sep 11 01:47
yuhong"Kind Regards,Sep 11 01:47
yuhongMelissa MendozaSep 11 01:47
yuhongComcast Customer ConnectSep 11 01:47
yuhongNational Customer OperationsSep 11 01:47
yuhongWe_Can_Help@cable.comcast.comSep 11 01:47
yuhong@ComastMelissa"Sep 11 01:47
yuhongComcast did astroturf another time:Sep 11 01:48
yuhonghttp://consumerist.com/consumer/fake-consumers-with-fake-opinions/comcast-caught-astroturfing-about-big-ten-channel-292271.phpSep 11 01:48
yuhongIn another medium.Sep 11 01:48
yuhongFor something completely unrelated.Sep 11 01:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Spends Too Much Time Attacking Competition, Using Underhanded Tactics http://bit.ly/7Gv0oSep 11 01:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Scales Back Event as Revenue Runs Low http://bit.ly/X9MaPSep 11 01:50
yuhongWhat do you think of this disclosure?Sep 11 01:52
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*schestowitz views http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGbVLotXM28&feature=PlayList&p=A3FC4D7ED67F4B1A&index=0Sep 11 02:13
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VangelisSep 11 02:20
zlgchariots of fire is a good peice of musicSep 11 02:23
Willnot sure that this is really newsworthy, but: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/10/2159246/Greg-Kroah-Hartman-Gripes-About-Microsofts-Linux-Contribution-MS-Renews-Effort?art_pos=2Sep 11 02:24
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdQ7LBo_t-Q&feature=relatedSep 11 02:24
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Willschestowitz:  I've been meaning to ask.  What is the difference between stock OpenOffice and Go-oo?  I know about the Novell connection of Go-oo, but I honestly couldn't tell the difference between the two if both windows were open.Sep 11 02:44
zlgI was woken up this morning, by 2 ambulance officers standing in my room !!! not only did they have the wrong adress but the wrong suburb ! but was different :DSep 11 02:44
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seller_liarI was thinking.....Sep 11 03:57
seller_liarMonodevelop 2.2 does not work using mono for windowsSep 11 03:57
seller_liarIt needs .net framework 3.5 to runSep 11 03:58
seller_liarThis is funnySep 11 03:58
seller_liarMonodevelop for windows does not work with mono for windowsSep 11 03:58
seller_liarNoDevelop!Sep 11 03:58
zlg IE F/fox OtherSep 11 04:00
zlgBuy a pair of glasses online in australia, they have a browser surveySep 11 04:01
zlgno special interest groups or techo's and  ie 33.61% FF 40.25%Sep 11 04:02
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oiaohmFound the audio hell I was suffering from.  Debian had installed a double set of alsa config files that happened to incompadible with each other.Sep 11 04:23
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DaemonFCI found a Windows 7 theme for the KDE taskbar :)Sep 11 04:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] @schestowitz absolutely not #Mac devs, rather, #hackintosh profiteers who are making pure cash from the work of the #hackintosh community.Sep 11 04:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, seems that after I complained to my bank about blocking Opera, they also took out their block of KonquerorSep 11 04:58
DaemonFCthey were also blocking anything with Linux in the user agent and sending them to the upgrade your OS screenSep 11 04:59
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Hulu is now sponsoring OLPCSep 11 05:12
DaemonFC:)Sep 11 05:12
DaemonFCXP Edition?Sep 11 05:12
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cubezzzso they put XP on OLPC eh?Sep 11 06:14
DaemonFCyeahSep 11 06:14
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DaemonFCFirefox runs like shit on Kubuntu and brings half of GNOME inSep 11 06:56
DaemonFCwhere did that QT port go off to anyway?Sep 11 06:56
DaemonFCthe latest Opera weekly is fast as greased lightning thoughSep 11 07:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] "It's a little bit weird that the geeks take Turing's suicide more seriously than the gays" - reddit comment re: http://bit.ly/1MRFHrSep 11 07:10
DaemonFCheh, KDE actually uses a lot more RAM than GNOMESep 11 07:15
DaemonFCI'm sitting at just over 1.4 GB usedSep 11 07:15
DaemonFChmmm, false alarm, a bunch of apport-kde's got backed upSep 11 07:17
oiaohmFirefox port to QT still in development.Sep 11 07:17
oiaohmFound my sound problem DaemonFCSep 11 07:17
oiaohmDouble set of Alsa module configurations.Sep 11 07:17
oiaohmAnd they were not compadible with each other.Sep 11 07:18
DaemonFCoiaohm, Schwan's website says a big fuck you to anyone not using IE or FirefoxSep 11 07:18
DaemonFCthe add to cart button won't workSep 11 07:18
oiaohmWonder if ubuntu is having the same issue. /etc/modprobe.d/  one set had .conf on the end ie the new ones the old ones do not.Sep 11 07:19
oiaohmRemove one or the other and the sound goes fine.Sep 11 07:19
DaemonFCoiaohm, I solved the VLC problem with the webcam microphoneSep 11 07:19
DaemonFCALSA is so fucking retardedSep 11 07:19
oiaohmMy VLC still does not work at all.Sep 11 07:19
DaemonFCwhy should anyone need to edit an obscure text file somewhere to get it to let you choose which microphone to use?Sep 11 07:20
oiaohmVLC in a chroot of stable works.Sep 11 07:20
oiaohmVLC 1.0.1 is dead so badly it don't play anything.Sep 11 07:20
oiaohmDaemonFC: ALSA really needs a X11 like team to hit it.Sep 11 07:20
DaemonFChow do you fuck up your website so badly that Opera, Konqueror, and Arora (Webkit) won't work?Sep 11 07:22
oiaohmSure konqueror does not work.Sep 11 07:23
oiaohmFake the UA string.Sep 11 07:23
DaemonFCdoesn't helpSep 11 07:24
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DaemonFCoiaohm, http://www.schwans.com/products/productDetail.aspx?id=56243&keyword=678Sep 11 07:24
DaemonFCclick Add to cartSep 11 07:25
DaemonFCnothing happensSep 11 07:25
oiaohmI have to fake the UA string on iceweasel so some sites render too.Sep 11 07:25
DaemonFCit's not the user agentSep 11 07:25
oiaohmOk what form of detection are they using.Sep 11 07:25
DaemonFCthey're using something these browsers don't understandSep 11 07:26
DaemonFCdoesn't work in Seamonkey eitherSep 11 07:30
oiaohmSeamonkey and firefox are the same engine.Sep 11 07:30
oiaohmIts some form of strange detection.Sep 11 07:31
oiaohmBuggerSep 11 07:33
oiaohmThe cart button is a ajax interface.Sep 11 07:33
oiaohmIe the add to cart.Sep 11 07:33
oiaohmhttp://www.schwans.com//js/omniture_javascript.js  << Some of the code there is level 10 ugly DaemonFCSep 11 07:36
oiaohmGod dam polymophic web site DaemonFCSep 11 07:37
oiaohmI am suppriesed IE works with the code they have done DaemonFC.  That kind of polymorthic site use to kill IE 4.0.Sep 11 07:40
DaemonFCoiaohm, Well, I had some coupons for their stuffSep 11 07:46
DaemonFCguess I won't be using themSep 11 07:46
oiaohmWhat don't like the code DaemonFC?Sep 11 07:47
DaemonFCwell, if I can't even get the page to workSep 11 07:49
oiaohmWith the mess of code in there Firefox looks like the only option.Sep 11 07:50
oiaohmEven worse it appears to check for id netscape not mozilla.Sep 11 07:50
oiaohmIe not mozilla foundations tagsSep 11 07:50
DaemonFCFirefox doesn't work eitherSep 11 07:52
oiaohmFirefox UA netscape 6 ?Sep 11 07:54
oiaohmIt looks very much like a normal .net crap site.Sep 11 07:54
oiaohmI have to deal with them all the time with Australian goverment.Sep 11 07:56
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Tito_Icaza is a board member in Codeplex? Why am I not surprised?Sep 11 08:01
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oiaohmVIA joining the Linux foundation means that all major x86 makers are now part of the Linux foundation.Sep 11 08:05
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schestowitzCool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUqAjyvpSc&feature=relatedSep 11 08:47
_goblinschestowitz: Didnt Sam Ramji leave MS? Whats he doing at the Codeplex Foundation?Sep 11 08:50
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPwzY_PwlNA&NR=1Sep 11 08:55
schestowitz_goblin: yes, I saw thatSep 11 08:55
schestowitz_goblin: it's interim boardSep 11 08:56
_goblinahSep 11 08:56
_goblinIts like a 10p comic with De Icazza going to it......he really does worship MS....why doesnt he just become Ballmers bag boy and be done with it?Sep 11 08:57
schestowitz Japan's space freighter in orbit http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8249357.stmSep 11 08:59
schestowitz_goblin: I'm getting Twits from MicrosoftersSep 11 08:59
schestowitzThey're upset at meSep 11 08:59
schestowitzFor one thing, they don't like my jubilation over Ramji's departruewSep 11 08:59
schestowitzTouche! Hit a nerve there at the Vole.Sep 11 09:00
_goblinlol....Just been reading the T&C of the codeplex site......Sep 11 09:01
_goblin"Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others."Sep 11 09:01
_goblinoops the MS faithful are guilty there.Sep 11 09:02
_goblinmaybe thats a one off......?Sep 11 09:02
_goblin"ublish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, obscene, indecent or unlawful topic, name, material or information."Sep 11 09:02
schestowitzYeah, well... they are used to being guilty of somethingSep 11 09:02
schestowitzLike indoctrinating staff vs LinuxSep 11 09:02
schestowitz_goblin:  day off?Sep 11 09:03
_goblinits like MS have just listed their own sins and told others not to do them.....Sep 11 09:03
_goblinno day off today.....Sep 11 09:03
_goblinworking nights.Sep 11 09:03
_goblinor 4-12Sep 11 09:03
schestowitzArranging Vista 7 launch parties?Sep 11 09:04
schestowitz:-pSep 11 09:04
_goblinyou've sort of hit on a truth there.Sep 11 09:04
_goblinMyself and some collegues are applying for a Windows party loot bag...Sep 11 09:04
_goblinhoping to get selected.....Sep 11 09:05
_goblinit will be one Windows party Microsoft won't like on their site.Sep 11 09:05
_goblinoh this is good:Sep 11 09:06
_goblin"Microsoft reserves the right at all times to disclose any information as Microsoft deems necessary to satisfy any applicable law"Sep 11 09:06
trmancohello guysSep 11 09:06
_goblinMicrosoft satisfying law?  When did that happen?Sep 11 09:06
_goblinhi trmancoSep 11 09:06
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schestowitz_goblin: LOL. You're applying?Sep 11 09:26
schestowitzGood idea. Will they check to see if you turn the stuff in those boxed to coasters?Sep 11 09:26
schestowitzMaybe ask them to put Vista 7 on a CD-RWSep 11 09:26
schestowitzHey, trmancoSep 11 09:27
trmanco:)Sep 11 09:27
schestowitzOK, I've chosen a  geisha photo for RamjiSep 11 09:27
schestowitzPost almost there now. Just needs proofing...Sep 11 09:28
trmancobblSep 11 09:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Turncoat Quits http://bit.ly/46F493Sep 11 09:42
_goblinschestowitz: my friends are...! Ive been very careful to make sure that they will actually be hosting a Windows 7 party, however its not going to go quite the way Microsoft would like it.....now all Microsoft has to do is work out which of its applicants are my friends....it will have to be very careful now which winner it selects....it may well be very embarassing....Sep 11 10:01
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_goblinIm assisting them to make sure that they don't cross any legal or contractual boundaries....Sep 11 10:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Codeplex Foundation – Microsoft loves FOSS? http://tinyurl.com/n8u6f5 #microsoft #foss #linux #windows #xp #vista #novell #monoSep 11 10:17
_goblinlolSep 11 10:17
_goblinRoy, we were both typing about the same subject at the same time....Sep 11 10:18
_goblinim sure a Wintroll will read something into that.Sep 11 10:18
schestowitzYeahSep 11 10:20
schestowitzGood postSep 11 10:21
schestowitzMiguel is da man............... for the jobSep 11 10:21
_goblinYep.....although his tactics for "sucking up" to Microsoft haven't worked for me in my crusade to get a free Bentley.....I'm still working on that one.Sep 11 10:27
schestowitzI heard from someone who knew Miguel that he (Miguel) made a lot of money from that whole funny businessSep 11 10:33
schestowitzStephaneSep 11 10:33
_goblinI suppose this is why people like ourselves cannot be accused of being "bought" for me I have no financial interests in anything IT related.....my life would not change overnight if FOSS took over and more than if Microsoft did....When we post its on the basis of honest held belief not belief in the paycheck.Sep 11 10:38
_goblin*and should read anymoreSep 11 10:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Confirms Attack on #GNU #Linux, #Stallman Interception by Microsoft Contract Seemingly Confirmed Too http://bit.ly/1ayGy0Sep 11 10:52
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Eruaran"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - Pablo PicassoSep 11 10:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Abuses the Word “Open” to Sneak into #Governments http://bit.ly/jpzgjSep 11 11:40
schestowitz"Sep 11 12:04
schestowitzBroadcast message from ml-admin@opensuse.orgSep 11 12:04
schestowitz(/dev/pts/0) at 07:30 GMT ...Sep 11 12:04
schestowitzThe system is going down for halt NOW!Sep 11 12:04
schestowitz|Sep 11 12:04
schestowitzOpenSUSE down for the whole weekend!Sep 11 12:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Trouble in #Novell / #Microsoft Paradise http://bit.ly/qEc0USep 11 12:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] isto é só 9/11... faz hoje um ano que tirei a carta, sim foi mesmo neste dia nao estou a gozar...Sep 11 12:36
trmancoWhy does Windows Explorer keep closing down on me?: 4aaa2c74$1@dnews.tpgi.com.auSep 11 12:37
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EruaranWindows Exploder ?Sep 11 12:54
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Eruaran"Did anyone remember that the real reason NSW went with the MS deal is that they had a pre-existing license that meant that the software costs were marginal?"Sep 11 12:57
EruaranReply: Marginal as opposed to Free ? Pulling the Microsoft TCO slight of hand are we ? How "marginal" are these "marginal" costs multiplied by well over two hundred thousand students ? Those are taxpayer dollars you're talking about.Sep 11 12:57
Eruaran"photoshop, which does not work reliably on Linux"Sep 11 12:57
EruaranReply: Actually it runs fine on Wine, but nevermind that, you do realize the students are getting NETBOOKS don't you ?Sep 11 12:58
Eruaran"NSW DET is also working on deploying Moodle, an open source online education tool."Sep 11 12:58
EruaranReply: Oh well that just makes it all better now doesn't it ?Sep 11 12:58
Eruaran"Linux is fine for people who want the freedom to modify and tweak their software. In an enterprise setting, that's exactly what you don't want."Sep 11 12:58
EruaranReply: Tell that to Red Hat, IBM and other highly successful companies who have been rolling Linux out in the enterprise for many years. Seriously, you've got to come up with a better argument than that !Sep 11 12:59
EruaranGod... I hate DET flunkiesSep 11 12:59
Eruaran267,000 netbooksSep 11 13:01
EruaranWith Vista 7Sep 11 13:01
EruaranI hope it explodes in their faces the twitsSep 11 13:02
EruaranI have a really short temper these daysSep 11 13:03
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schestowitz"Sep 11 13:07
schestowitzwe have started a petition to help EU laptop and computer buyers who do not agree with the current OEM licenses on (new) machines to be able to get a refund.Sep 11 13:07
schestowitzYou can find the petition online at : www.softwarepushers.com (the name is satyrical of course).Sep 11 13:07
schestowitzThis petition is only for people in the EU and because our team consists of two people working on the website it is only available in English at the moment.Sep 11 13:07
schestowitz"Sep 11 13:07
schestowitzAll collected data (check the privacy statement) will only be used to send the petition to the European Commission.Sep 11 13:08
schestowitzYou can find the text of the petition below.Sep 11 13:08
schestowitzWe are planning to hand the petition over in digital form on 22/10/2009.Sep 11 13:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Citizens of the #EU, make your voice heard by demanding choice on new PCs. http://softwarepushers.com/Sep 11 13:08
schestowitzThe more people sign the petition, the more pressure can be applied.Sep 11 13:08
schestowitzSince we work as volunteers on this we could use some exposure in the press / on the web, hence this email to you.Sep 11 13:08
schestowitz"Sep 11 13:08
schestowitzHelp spread thisSep 11 13:08
schestowitzWe need many sigsSep 11 13:08
schestowitzThen other countries may follow suitSep 11 13:08
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trmancohttp://ariya.blogspot.com/2009/09/svg-parsing-and-content-optimization.htmlSep 11 13:24
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trmancoqt is getting fasterSep 11 13:24
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schestowitzit needs to run on phonesSep 11 13:32
MinceRit did on the greenphoneSep 11 13:34
MinceR(too bad it was only a developer kit)Sep 11 13:34
schestowitzAt least it's organicSep 11 13:35
MinceRsure, lots of plastic :>Sep 11 13:35
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trmancohehSep 11 13:36
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schestowitzMinceR: it's green, tooSep 11 13:49
schestowitzLike the Trolltech identitySep 11 13:49
schestowitzATI drives six displays from one video card http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533232/ati-drives-displays-video-cardSep 11 13:51
*schestowitz just needs more heads nowSep 11 13:51
MinceRvisit Chernobyl ;)Sep 11 13:51
trmancobblSep 11 13:52
schestowitzIBM is going after Microsoft Office users http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533202/ibm-microsoft-office-usersSep 11 13:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/sky_news_defacement_prank/ Sky News election petition defaced by prankster hackersSep 11 13:55
tacone1schestowitz: pingSep 11 13:59
schestowitzHeySep 11 14:01
schestowitzGoogle To Offer Out-Of-Print Scanned Books To Rivals http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090910-713994.htmlSep 11 14:04
tacone1schestowitz: got this http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs171.snc1/6410_125127628819_706123819_2249721_6733592_n.jpgSep 11 14:05
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*schestowitz gets latest stable LinuxSep 11 14:18
schestowitzhttp://healthcare.kucinich.us/petition/Sep 11 14:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Independently, Jason saw just what we pointed out earlier -- that Miguel de Icaza took a shot at the FSF. http://bit.ly/15vo5MSep 11 14:34
schestowitzMinceR: a phone for you: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/10/motorola-unveils-first-android-phone (Motorola Unveils First Android Phone) :-)Sep 11 14:35
MinceRnot reallySep 11 14:35
schestowitzJust strip off the DRM, put some gnu and off you go\Sep 11 14:35
MinceRand lose the warrantySep 11 14:36
schestowitzIt's 'Linux' for dummisSep 11 14:36
schestowitz /s/dummies/androids/Sep 11 14:36
MinceRand then there's the issue of no headset adaptors for motorolasSep 11 14:36
schestowitzThe device says a lot about its usersSep 11 14:36
schestowitzMere androids who don't understand their rightsSep 11 14:36
schestowitzNo keyboard on someSep 11 14:36
schestowitzDo they have full-sized kb peripheral like my Palm?Sep 11 14:36
schestowitzWhat about he hypephone?Sep 11 14:37
schestowitzCould one type on a full-sized keyboard on hypephone like Palm users did over a decade ago?Sep 11 14:37
MinceRtyping requires literacy :>Sep 11 14:38
schestowitzSome have itSep 11 14:38
schestowitzMicrosoft is funny these days. Codeplex foundation. *LMAO*Sep 11 14:39
schestowitzThey haven't a clueSep 11 14:39
schestowitzAnd some journo who mailed me fell into this st00pid PR trapSep 11 14:39
schestowitzYo, benJIman. Why doesn't Novell make server space for opensuse?Sep 11 14:41
benJImanschestowitz: For project hosting?Sep 11 14:41
benJImanWe have discussed it, there wasn't a compelling reason to create our own NIH project hosting when there's plenty of third party options.Sep 11 14:41
MinceRi doubt NIH applies to actual serversSep 11 14:42
MinceRthey aren't invented, they're provisioned :>Sep 11 14:42
schestowitzbenJIman: yesSep 11 14:42
schestowitzIt it was Mono, they'd make 55 mirrors for itSep 11 14:42
schestowitzOpensuse complained that it needed a sponsorSep 11 14:42
schestowitzIs Novell's sponsorship not enough?Sep 11 14:42
MinceRdepends on whether you want opensuse to fail :>Sep 11 14:43
schestowitzI don;tSep 11 14:43
schestowitzI want it to detach self from NovellSep 11 14:43
schestowitzIt would be a huge winSep 11 14:43
MinceRthen you'll probably want them to move away from novell completelySep 11 14:43
MinceR:)Sep 11 14:43
schestowitzMinceR: they are hardly IN NovellSep 11 14:44
schestowitzThey are in GermanySep 11 14:44
schestowitzNovell is somewhere in USiaSep 11 14:44
schestowitzMono is USian developers, tooSep 11 14:44
MinceRsuse is novell, and suse is in germanySep 11 14:45
schestowitzIt's notSep 11 14:45
schestowitzNovell is Netware, Groupwise, etc.Sep 11 14:45
schestowitzAnd some SLESSep 11 14:45
schestowitzS.u.S.E. tags along reluctantlySep 11 14:45
schestowitzSome SUSE folks left after the dealSep 11 14:45
MinceRso not allSep 11 14:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] UK firm Spinvox 'put up for sale' http://tinyurl.com/luol4jSep 11 14:46
schestowitzSome may have left after the acquisition 6 years agoSep 11 14:46
schestowitzAFAICT, Ubuntu is not bigger in Germany than SUSESep 11 14:47
schestowitz*nowSep 11 14:47
schestowitzBVad typoSep 11 14:47
schestowitzhttp://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=a_walk_in_the_woods&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1Sep 11 15:08
MinceR:)Sep 11 15:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb : #Spinvox is #utterjunk and they use softare patents to play with #FUDSep 11 15:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Check these screens out... http://www.pixelqi.com/faq spinoff from OLPCSep 11 15:12
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schestowitz*LOL* http://twitter.com/kgerloff/statuses/3907469833Sep 11 15:29
schestowitzIBM has ALWAYS been with ODF here...Sep 11 15:29
schestowitzFunny ststement, I guessSep 11 15:30
schestowitzIBM sells it's proprietary stuff for ODFSep 11 15:30
schestowitzBetter stick to OOoSep 11 15:30
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schestowitzI'm 'shilling' against Lotus ;-)Sep 11 15:40
schestowitzschestowitz@ieduarte73 #Lotus is proprietary. Use OOo 3.1. it\'s better.Sep 11 15:40
schestowitzschestowitz@kgerloff #IBM has always been with #ODF. Better stick to #OOo BTW. #Lotus is #proprietary.Sep 11 15:40
schestowitzAre Reporters Looking For Information... Or Ammunition? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090908/1903486133.shtml >Sep 11 15:44
schestowitzGoogle Working On Micropayment Scheme To Help Newspapers Commit Suicide Faster < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090909/1640136145.shtml >Sep 11 15:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Working On Micropayment Scheme To Help Newspapers Commit Suicide Faster < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090909/1640136145.shtml ...Sep 11 15:46
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schestowitzNew Tweets, Old Needs  < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/opinion/10iht-edcohen.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all >Sep 11 15:49
schestowitzDebunked: http://techdirt.com/articles/20090910/1723426155.shtmlSep 11 15:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Why be a priest? The chicks, man!" http://is.gd/39tTVSep 11 16:04
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schestowitzStory collection soars after Fry Tweet < http://www.thebookseller.com/news/96631-story-collection-soars-after-fry-tweet.html >Sep 11 16:07
schestowitztrmanco: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/09/tokamark-3-on-home-stretch.htmlSep 11 16:10
schestowitzHey, wallclimberSep 11 16:10
wallclimbergood morning!Sep 11 16:11
wallclimberi have a business meeting with a new client later this morning. (please shoot me)Sep 11 16:11
schestowitzYou don't like meetings I take it......Sep 11 16:12
wallclimberi don't have a lot of patience with corporate types...this is a children's medical center, we're developing a book for kids about going to the emergency roomSep 11 16:13
schestowitzMy plasmoid says it's sunny today, but it ain't so out my window. Someone's wrong on this one... the BBC.Sep 11 16:13
schestowitzwallclimber: do the kids read it inside ER?Sep 11 16:14
wallclimbermy problem is knowing that i will have to explain the printing process and all about file formats to Windows usersSep 11 16:14
schestowitzODF?Sep 11 16:14
schestowitzLyX?Sep 11 16:14
schestowitzMOOX?Sep 11 16:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Why I Refuse To Use Chip & Pin http://tinyurl.com/nqemzgSep 11 16:15
wallclimberthe book is aimed at parents too, it helps doctors and nurses to explain things to familiesSep 11 16:15
schestowitzMoooooooox.. *shudder*Sep 11 16:15
schestowitzwallclimber: I'm using to reading digitally. Are kids reading books as much as adults?Sep 11 16:16
wallclimberwell, people tend to think they need to send everything to me in word docx or excel or (shudder) Publisher filesSep 11 16:16
schestowitzYou can automate replies to these based on filetypeSep 11 16:16
schestowitzMaybe not best for handling customers thoughSep 11 16:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @schestowitz They're also facing legal privacy inquiries over "how" they convert speech to textSep 11 16:17
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wallclimberthese will have coloring pages and puzzles (kids need things to do when they are waiting in ER), plus information to keep it all from looking too scarySep 11 16:17
schestowitzBut then you can blame "bot" for rejecting a mailSep 11 16:17
schestowitzSo it's less uncomfortable to explainSep 11 16:17
wallclimberno, can't use bots for replying to customers...they need hand-holdingSep 11 16:17
schestowitzwallclimber: use videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzASep 11 16:18
ThistleWebin the UK, kids do have things to do while waiting in ER, though usually it involves being drunk and abusive to everyone including staffSep 11 16:18
schestowitzThistleWeb: is that why they have such think glass at the reception desk??? :-)Sep 11 16:19
wallclimberthis is a children's wing...they are usually quite youngSep 11 16:19
schestowitz*thickSep 11 16:19
ThistleWeblol yepSep 11 16:19
wallclimberit's actually quite a nice placeSep 11 16:19
schestowitzIt still makes a scene for others to witness, ThistleWebSep 11 16:19
ThistleWebwe have a council office here which wouldn't look out of place in KabulSep 11 16:20
schestowitzRusholme health centre can be like thisSep 11 16:20
ThistleWebwith grids, thick glass, shutters, emergency buttons etcSep 11 16:20
ThistleWebthe locals get a tad aggressive when they dont get their waySep 11 16:20
schestowitzWho is the emergncy button /FOR/?Sep 11 16:21
ThistleWebschestowitz: not just witness but be vulnerable toSep 11 16:21
ThistleWebpoliceSep 11 16:21
ThistleWebpolice quick response buttonSep 11 16:21
schestowitzWot?? Not for patients?Sep 11 16:21
ThistleWebno, this is a council officeSep 11 16:21
schestowitzWho's protecting whom?Sep 11 16:21
ThistleWebthey're protecting the staffSep 11 16:21
schestowitzYeahSep 11 16:22
schestowitzIt's a reversal, isn't it?Sep 11 16:22
ThistleWebpity anyone caught on the angry side of the disturbanceSep 11 16:22
schestowitzInstead of the patients' safety, it's the staff's safetySep 11 16:22
schestowitzKind of amusing when you think about it....Sep 11 16:22
ThistleWebother members of the publicSep 11 16:22
schestowitzSick people want to made staff 'sick' (or injured)Sep 11 16:22
schestowitzThe night of the living deadSep 11 16:22
ThistleWebIt's different in different areas and times of day / nightSep 11 16:22
wallclimberwell, guess i better get things together here and get myself ready for the ordeal...wish me luck, it'll be a good contract if i get it.Sep 11 16:23
schestowitzMaybe the guard ought to have hit the emergency button here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzA You know, to keep the lady quiet...Sep 11 16:23
ThistleWebgood luckSep 11 16:23
twitterNice article on the patent proxy attack, Roy.Sep 11 16:23
wallclimberthanks :)Sep 11 16:23
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schestowitztwitter: thanksSep 11 16:24
twitterI think that and the i4i story highlight the downfall of US patents as a weapon.Sep 11 16:24
schestowitzFor the 'poor small inventor'...Sep 11 16:24
twitterPeople thought that Biski made software patents worthless back in 2007.Sep 11 16:24
schestowitzAnd then he sees the conglemarates attacking him in an amicus assult...Sep 11 16:25
schestowitzDELL, HP, MUGABESOFT, the Microsoft-corrupted USDO['Justice']......Sep 11 16:25
twitterRight.  Sort of a last, dying gasp.Sep 11 16:25
schestowitz*assultSep 11 16:25
schestowitz*->AssaultSep 11 16:25
schestowitzThey jump to silence SmallInvestor();Sep 11 16:26
twitterThey make the case against patents at the same time they pretend patents are a threat to "business"Sep 11 16:26
schestowitzSmallInvestor evenSep 11 16:26
schestowitzSmallInventor evenSep 11 16:26
twitterBut look at their private auction.Sep 11 16:26
schestowitzThe big business is so selfishSep 11 16:26
schestowitzJust mutual defense of the status quoSep 11 16:26
schestowitz"How DARE you stop Word sales?"Sep 11 16:27
twitterIt shows that big companies would like nothing more than to unload their worthless portfolios.Sep 11 16:27
schestowitzThey expireSep 11 16:27
schestowitzNo use, no use [sic]Sep 11 16:27
twitterIf the only purchaser is OIN, there won't be much money in that scheme.Sep 11 16:27
schestowitzDon't use it, and then there's no use for it in the first placeSep 11 16:27
schestowitzThe Economist has just had an article about itSep 11 16:27
twitterBasically, there's no market for these things.Sep 11 16:27
schestowitzWritten by the mafia's (Intel's) co-founderSep 11 16:28
twitterEven Intellectual Ventures is filled with dead weight, like the pyramid scheme it is.Sep 11 16:28
schestowitzNot exactlySep 11 16:28
schestowitzIt wasSep 11 16:28
schestowitzNot it starts to moveSep 11 16:28
twitterBiski pretty much nuked them all.Sep 11 16:28
schestowitzAnd people shout about itSep 11 16:28
schestowitzThe press...Sep 11 16:28
schestowitzThe observers of trollsSep 11 16:28
schestowitzANd before you know it Nathan the troll will be hounded for the Capone that he is...Sep 11 16:29
twitterM$ cries that patents are a risk in their FUD, but it's precisely the opposite.  Patents are a tremendous risk, essentially worthless assets under direct legal threat.Sep 11 16:29
twitterSoon, the US Supreme court may put an end to the nonsense once and for all.Sep 11 16:29
twitterThis leaves software patent holders like M$, IBM, Dell, HP and others holding trillions of dollars worth of nothing.Sep 11 16:30
twitterOh yeah, Nathan too, but he seems to have been smart enough to risk other people's money.Sep 11 16:31
schestowitzLOL -:> Google developing a micropayment platform and pitching newspapers: “‘Open’ need not mean free” < http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/google-developing-a-micropayment-platform-and-pitching-newspapers-open-need-not-mean-free/ >Sep 11 16:31
schestowitzPeople will pass over the stuff that's not free. 90%+ will anyway.Sep 11 16:31
schestowitzpatent derivatives existSep 11 16:31
schestowitzIt's another bubble waiting to burseSep 11 16:31
schestowitzExperts have warned about it since the Wall Street collapseSep 11 16:32
schestowitz /s/Wall/Fraud/Sep 11 16:32
twitterWell, here it is.Sep 11 16:32
twitterpopSep 11 16:32
schestowitzMajor Blunder in Science Reporting will Fuel Creationist Claims < http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/09/major_blunder_in_science_repor.php >Sep 11 16:32
twitterI suppose that they have been moving the toxic assets to teacher's retirement funds, widows and orphans.Sep 11 16:33
schestowitz"Obviously, this writer gets it totally wrong. But more importantly, if you look at this text, it is clear that this is the writing of someone steeped in the creationist literature. This tells me that we are seeing the beginning of a disinformation campaign regarding this research. There are several clues in here that link this paragraph to the Creationist Conspiracy."Sep 11 16:33
twitterI don't think there will be any surge in creationism, one way or another.Sep 11 16:33
schestowitztwitter: women and children firstSep 11 16:33
schestowitzLike in the TitanicSep 11 16:33
schestowitzWomen=rich peopleSep 11 16:33
schestowitzChildren=young menSep 11 16:34
schestowitzhttp://www.cringely.com/2009/09/women-and-children-first/Sep 11 16:34
twitterAs Madoff showed, the crew of the fraudship are busy taking care of themselves at the expense of the others.  Imagine them shoving women and children into the cracks below deck.Sep 11 16:35
schestowitzhttp://www.cringely.com/about/ "On How You Can Reach Him to Tell Him He’s a Dipstick"Sep 11 16:35
twitterThen setting sail on their fabulous luxury launches as the ship goes down.Sep 11 16:35
twitterno thanks.Sep 11 16:36
twitterbblSep 11 16:36
schestowitzHome power plants project unveiled in Germany http://www.grist.org/article/2009-09-09-home-power-plants-project-unveiled-in-germany/Sep 11 16:38
schestowitzEurope’s First Farmers Came from Afar: New Clues Shed Light on Genetic Ancestry of Modern Europeans < http://spittoon.23andme.com/2009/09/09/europes-first-farmers-came-from-afar-new-clues-shed-light-on-genetic-ancestry-of-modern-europeans/ >Sep 11 16:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Humans Have Made, Found or Used Over 50 Million Unique Chemicals < http://bit.ly/gPwfe > via @glynmoodySep 11 16:40
schestowitzGovernment ID: cracking news just in from the US http://www.idealgovernment.com/index.php/blog/government_id_cracking_news_from_the_us/Sep 11 16:41
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/3886734950 "Two children 'searched by police' - http://bit.ly/7ofTG cunning, these terrorists, disguising themselves as small kids; well done, Mr Plod"Sep 11 16:43
schestowitz EU's next big project an 'environmental union'  http://www.euractiv.com/en/climate-change/eu-big-project-environmental-union/article-185311Sep 11 16:44
schestowitz Better world: Give police your DNA http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327251.200-better-world-give-police-your-dna.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-newsSep 11 16:45
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schestowitzhttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-gordon-brown-is-not-turing-complete.htmlSep 11 16:55
schestowitzAn Electrifying Tour of the Taser Factory < http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/09/taser-tour/ >Sep 11 16:55
schestowitz"@glynmoody for more info about Microsoft and BBC Worldwide, see http://bit.ly/cd5oR "Sep 11 16:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin : see Video: Audio Production With Free Software < http://bit.ly/IteA9 >Sep 11 17:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Notice how #Oracle never says a word about plans for #mysql. http://bit.ly/X8Ab0Sep 11 17:14
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schestowitzDamage control from the Vole. http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corporate/microsoft_the_apple_best_buy_slides_are_ours_too.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535Sep 11 17:18
DaemonFCPulseaudio = aRts 2.0Sep 11 17:19
DaemonFCgahSep 11 17:19
schestowitzLOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApZDDaXr3GASep 11 17:22
schestowitzIt looks so lameSep 11 17:22
schestowitzLook at itSep 11 17:22
schestowitzIt's like they read from a scriptSep 11 17:22
schestowitzAll bashful and confusedSep 11 17:22
schestowitzAnd Novell is the female in this relationSep 11 17:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @petapixel The Mojave desert's airplane graveyard: http://j.mp/2fADTMSep 11 17:31
schestowitzDell Ubuntu Oops http://brendanscott.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/dell-ubuntu-oops/Sep 11 17:32
schestowitzTerabytes of Storage for Pennies a Gigabyte http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/news/article.php/3838521Sep 11 17:38
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schestowitzhttp://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/09/goldman-sachs-tax.htmlSep 11 17:46
schestowitz"Sep 11 17:46
schestowitzMY GOODMAN: How much money did Goldman Sachs pay in taxes in 2008?Sep 11 17:46
schestowitzMATT TAIBBI: They paid $14 million in taxes last year, which is an effective tax rate of about one percent, which means that they paid in taxes about a third of what CEO Lloyd Blankfein actually made in compensation last year.Sep 11 17:46
schestowitz"Sep 11 17:46
trmancobackSep 11 18:04
trmancoanything important that I've missed?Sep 11 18:05
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_Hicham_wb Diablo-D3Sep 11 18:13
Diablo-D3hi _Hicham_Sep 11 18:14
Diablo-D3http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/11/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-lxii-steve-ballmer-publicly-ridicules/Sep 11 18:18
schestowitztrmanco: no, quiet day todaySep 11 18:23
schestowitzUnlike yesterdaySep 11 18:23
trmancook :)Sep 11 18:24
schestowitzNo major news that isSep 11 18:24
trmancodid you see the article in which ibm will move away from ms office to lotus and open formats?Sep 11 18:24
schestowitzDiablo-D3: they gave SteveB hairSep 11 18:24
schestowitzHe looks better as this type of primateSep 11 18:24
schestowitztrmanco: no nws thereSep 11 18:27
schestowitz*no newsSep 11 18:27
schestowitzJust PR nonsense for IBM's proprietary lotusSep 11 18:27
trmancowhy is that?Sep 11 18:27
trmancobut they are going to use odtSep 11 18:27
schestowitzSwapping mastersSep 11 18:27
trmancoodf*Sep 11 18:27
schestowitztrmanco: they already didSep 11 18:27
schestowitzScroll upSep 11 18:27
schestowitzThey just try to hype things up for all I can tellSep 11 18:28
schestowitzI heard it beforeSep 11 18:28
schestowitz"All staff to use ODF/Symfony/Linux blah blah blah..."Sep 11 18:28
schestowitz*phonySep 11 18:28
schestowitzhttp://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145215Sep 11 18:29
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trmancofound itSep 11 18:30
trmancoI didn't know thatSep 11 18:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Does #Novell Still Neglect #OpenSUSE ? http://bit.ly/GvltWSep 11 18:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Tequila Art Challenge -28 shots in 8 hours, a painting for each http://www.headinjurytheater.com/artsmashtequila.htmSep 11 18:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] I made another ickle screencast: http://bit.ly/2lANBUSep 11 19:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Uses #Novell to Shill for Microsoft in #Government ( #Videos ) http://bit.ly/1g3bLSep 11 19:14
cubezzzis lotus-123 FOSS?Sep 11 19:14
cubezzzdoes it still get updated?Sep 11 19:14
schestowitzIt's probably abandonwareSep 11 19:17
schestowitzIBM does not open-source  abandonwareSep 11 19:17
schestowitzSome people tried to do this to OS/2, but IBM declinesSep 11 19:17
schestowitzAMD Eyefinity promises 'six panel, one GPU' gaming http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/11/amd_eyefinity/Sep 11 19:21
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schestowitzThe Snot OS has an update. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533245/snow-leopard-sp1Sep 11 19:35
schestowitzMinceR: that's an update for you -- already! Snot Leopard SP1... SP... like in WindowsSep 11 19:36
schestowitzMinceR: you need to download your latest "shiiiiny!"Sep 11 19:37
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sebsebsebhiSep 11 19:37
schestowitzHey, what's new?Sep 11 19:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Just when you thought you've seen everything... http://bit.ly/ohMoT [IMG]Sep 11 19:38
sebsebsebschestowitz: nmSep 11 19:38
schestowitzLinux going strong.. http://lifehacker.com/5355900/five-features-we-want-to-see-in-ubuntuSep 11 19:40
schestowitzRoom for improvementSep 11 19:40
schestowitzCan a mere domain name be defamation? Glenn Beck says yes < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/can-a-mere-domain-name-be-defamation-glenn-beck-says-yes.ars >Sep 11 19:40
schestowitzPigeons are faster than DSL http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/10/pigeons-are-faster-t.htmlSep 11 19:41
schestowitzCisco's TCP stack is vulnerable to attack http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533014/cisco-tcp-stack-vulnerable-attackSep 11 19:41
schestowitzOmar87: did you read this book? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/09/dan-brown/Sep 11 19:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Teenager invents £23 solar panel that could be solution to developing world's energy needs ... made from human hair" http://bit.ly/vodMeSep 11 19:46
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sebsebsebschestowitz: that Ubuntu article seems alrightSep 11 19:48
sebsebsebschestowitz: not really sure what I think about it thoughSep 11 19:49
sebsebsebhowever having Virtualbox in the default install or even Wine, would be a bit hmm,   after all ideally people should be running native apps for Linux :)  or mainly be running those when they do a Linux distroSep 11 19:50
schestowitzThere's not even wineSep 11 19:50
schestowitzGiving too much proprietary stuff misses the pointSep 11 19:50
schestowitzLike 'winning' as a proprietary platofrmSep 11 19:50
schestowitzFlash, Silver Lie, Apps in Wine..Sep 11 19:51
schestowitzThe Story Behind the Story < http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200910/media >Sep 11 19:51
sebsebsebyeah  Wine by default in a distro or even Virtualbox,  probably not the best idea overall,  in fact it may even put certain people off that distroSep 11 19:51
sebsebsebyeah a little propritary stuff to help with market share,  well  ok sure I guess so,  Flash for example and  Nivida graphics  card driversSep 11 19:52
sebsebseb,but to much propritary stuff won't be good for LinuxSep 11 19:53
trmancovirtualbox should work seamlessly with the osSep 11 19:53
trmancothat would be a huge improvementSep 11 19:53
sebsebsebtrmanco: seamlessly with the OS you mean?Sep 11 19:53
sebsebsebUbuntu has KVM as it's default or whatever,  and I have no idea how to use KVMSep 11 19:53
trmancoOS, yesSep 11 19:53
sebsebseb,but you mean so you can install a virtual machine,  like any other app,   or  like how Wine does it?    those apps  sort of  look they are running nativelySep 11 19:54
trmancohow wine does itSep 11 19:54
schestowitzsebsebseb: there are kvm guisSep 11 19:54
sebsebsebsort of look like they are running nativelySep 11 19:54
trmancoyesSep 11 19:54
trmancobrbSep 11 19:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah I installed one once,  and had no idea how to use itSep 11 19:55
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/diy-electric-motorcycle/Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz:-pSep 11 19:55
schestowitzHa. The UK humiliates self in public when the world is watching. Police investigated over stop and search of man and children under terror law < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/10/police-stop-search-terror-inquiry ?Sep 11 19:55
sebsebsebtrmanco: seamless Virtualbox  I guess would be an improvement yes, but  it's  also  fine really how  vm's are currently done with VirtualboxSep 11 19:56
sebsebsebI got loads of thank yous and that last night, since I helped someone get a  XP VM  running in Virtualbox, in UbuntuSep 11 19:57
sebsebseb:)Sep 11 19:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz so they don't sell tequila, then?Sep 11 19:57
sebsebsebdon't know if they will be getting rid of their  Vista version 2 partition as a result thoughSep 11 19:57
schestowitzTop US copyright cop opposes Google book deal http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090910/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_book_battleSep 11 19:58
schestowitzReports AP, which sued Google, IIRCSep 11 19:58
sebsebsebVista?  Windows 7?   eh   XP does the trick really for most computer users,   or even alternate OS's, but of course most of them don't know that :(Sep 11 19:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyers for TV überdouche Glenn Beck go after satirical website, saying the url itself is defamatory < http://bit.ly/19QLuO > Streisand ...Sep 11 20:01
MinceRschestowitz: nah, it will be just as shiny and crippled and vulnerable as ever. :>Sep 11 20:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyers for TV überdouche Glenn Beck go after satirical website...< http://bit.ly/19QLuO > Streisand Effect...?Sep 11 20:03
schestowitzThe Gullwing Flies Again < http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/mercedes-sls-amg/ >Sep 11 20:03
schestowitzsebsebseb: but Vista 7 can run XPSep 11 20:04
schestowitzThat's its main selling point AFAICTSep 11 20:04
schestowitzBears visiting Hayden Lake homes in search of food < http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2009/09/11/news/news05.txt >.... maybe they look for goldilocksSep 11 20:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] College for $99 a Month < http://bit.ly/18WJYP > There is NO reason why education should not be cheap in Net Age.Sep 11 20:07
schestowitzSarkozy launches carbon tax to help 'save the human race' < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/10/sarkozy-carbon-tax-france > Wow. He actually does one thing right.Sep 11 20:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If this is true < http://bit.ly/PnL9n >, then the US found a method for increasing Iraq's unvasion secretly.Sep 11 20:13
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schestowitzHehe. PJ is funny. "The Linux Foundation has now issued a statement calling on Microsoft to stop secretly attacking Linux. I'm sure they'll do that, asap:"Sep 11 20:16
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090908164954318Sep 11 20:16
sebsebsebschestowitz: hehSep 11 20:17
schestowitzIt's like the tortoise and the scorpion... stop pinching me!!Sep 11 20:23
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schestowitzA smart tortoise stops helping the scorpion.Sep 11 20:24
schestowitzDrupal's new trademark policy http://lwn.net/Articles/351610/Sep 11 20:25
schestowitzGNU grep is slow on UTF-8 http://rg03.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/gnu-grep-is-slow-on-utf-8/Sep 11 20:26
schestowitzTrolish: One Laptop Per Child - The Dream is Over http://www.undispatch.com/node/8859Sep 11 20:30
schestowitzTaking shots at Nick, tooSep 11 20:30
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schestowitzNow, Microsoft Indoctrinates Best Buy Employees against Macs http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/now_microsoft_indoctrinates_best_buy_employees_against_macsSep 11 20:41
schestowitzhttp://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com/2009/09/kde4-hype-reality.html "It feels good to see KDE 4.3 mature. Again it feels good to see some of the major but conservative Linux distributions turning up to KDE 4. PCLinuxOS has set a complete KDE 4.3 repository ready for those interested in this new and much-hyped desktop environment."Sep 11 20:42
twitterheh, gnu grep problem not a problem.  Wonder why they keep it.  ->  most Linux distributions are well aware of the problem and ship a patched GNU grep, and have been doing so for years. Debian does it (and with it, Ubuntu), Archlinux does it, Fedora does it, etc.Sep 11 20:43
twittersounds like a troll article to me.Sep 11 20:44
twitterbblSep 11 20:46
schestowitzOracle tries to stop Sun's bleeding: Is it too late? http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=24136Sep 11 20:48
schestowitzhttp://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=866 My Arch Linux Experiment (Part 2)Sep 11 20:50
Diablo-D3heh schestowitzSep 11 20:51
Diablo-D3oracle is totally fapping off thinking about sparcsSep 11 20:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "The average user LOVES Linux!" http://is.gd/39UeASep 11 20:55
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: I don't get it..Sep 11 21:00
schestowitzDidn't some reporters say they'd sell it to HP?Sep 11 21:00
schestowitzNow they filp-flopSep 11 21:00
schestowitzANd OOo is also conspicuously missingSep 11 21:00
schestowitzMaybe the PR/ad focuses just on impact to DB of their ownSep 11 21:00
schestowitzNot peripheral businessesSep 11 21:01
Diablo-D3schestowitz: remember when I said HP probably wasnt going to buy it?Sep 11 21:02
Diablo-D3oracle is interested in building machines to run oracle onSep 11 21:03
Diablo-D3oracle appliances.Sep 11 21:03
schestowitzWhat about Uncrackable Linux?Sep 11 21:06
schestowitzWill Ellison put it on crack?Sep 11 21:06
Diablo-D3I havent decided whats going on with opensolaris yet.Sep 11 21:07
schestowitz Working with Bluetooth: Connecting to All Those Cool Devices http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/peripherals/44623:working-with-bluetooth-connecting-to-all-those-cool-devicesSep 11 21:07
schestowitzPhoronix self promotion: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/peripherals/44818-amd-eyefinity-24-display-tech-demo-on-linuxSep 11 21:07
schestowitzI didn't know they aggregate again in linux.com....Sep 11 21:08
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Omar87schestowitz: Yes, I've read Da Vinci Code.Sep 11 21:22
schestowitzNot always Gentoo's fault http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/09/10/not-always-gentoo-s-faultSep 11 21:23
Omar87schestowitz: Wow! What the hell?! (regarding the article you gave me) 0.oSep 11 21:23
schestowitzhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_08Ham7wUW0g/Sqha5ozXXnI/AAAAAAAAAAM/OF1eaEiC0Ss/s1600-h/trolls.jpgSep 11 21:38
schestowitzLOLSep 11 21:38
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DaemonFCI have no idea how KDE distributions can say they have a modern systemSep 11 21:39
DaemonFCthen "Oh by the way, you have to keep tabs of whatever has a lock on your audio hardware"Sep 11 21:39
_Hicham_DaemonFC started again his KDE thingSep 11 21:40
DaemonFC_Hicham_, Be sure to close your web browser and reopen it to get Flash to work again if you've been playing an MP3Sep 11 21:41
DaemonFC:)Sep 11 21:41
_Hicham_I don't have those problems with pulseaudioSep 11 21:41
DaemonFCthat's the problemSep 11 21:42
_Hicham_and I think that all major distributions are now adopting pulseaudioSep 11 21:42
DaemonFCmost KDE distributions don't have it and make it difficult to set upSep 11 21:42
_Hicham_they artsSep 11 21:42
_Hicham_they use artsSep 11 21:42
DaemonFCwasn't Phonon supposed to replace that thing?Sep 11 21:42
_Hicham_yesSep 11 21:43
_Hicham_almostSep 11 21:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Joe Wilson voted to fund illegal immigrants healthcare in 2003 http://bit.ly/15tlUT do these people think *no-one in the world* can read?Sep 11 21:43
DaemonFCinstead it gives you all the problems that GNOME had 5 years ago with no benefitsSep 11 21:43
MinceRDaemonFC: you've broken your dmix, haven't you.Sep 11 21:43
DaemonFCWhy must audio setup on Linux be in 5 different places, some graphical, some in weird text files *somewhere*?Sep 11 21:43
_Hicham_MinceR : do use pulseaudio ?Sep 11 21:43
MinceRphonon is just a middleware, not a daemonSep 11 21:43
MinceR_Hicham_: nopeSep 11 21:43
MinceRpulseaudio sucksSep 11 21:44
_Hicham_again, everything sucks for MinceSep 11 21:44
DaemonFCeverything you install or configure breaks something elseSep 11 21:44
DaemonFCRTFM assumes that your problem is discussed in a manual somewhere and the reality is you're just better off pecking at things for hours until it starts working and you can't remember what to do next timeSep 11 21:45
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_Hicham_pulseaudio is well integrated with gnomeSep 11 21:46
_Hicham_because it is redhat who is primarily sponsoring itSep 11 21:46
DaemonFCsome way, some how, FreeBSD can play sounds from two different programs at onceSep 11 21:46
_Hicham_and redhat does gnome wellSep 11 21:47
DaemonFCand the user doesn't have to careSep 11 21:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cartoon: What Microsoft *Really* Innovates http://bit.ly/DNVKzSep 11 21:47
DaemonFCWhy can't Linux have a sound stack that is somewhat reliable and works the same way every time?Sep 11 21:47
MinceR_Hicham_: actually alsa doesn't suckSep 11 21:47
MinceR_Hicham_: that's part of why i don't need pulseaudioSep 11 21:48
_Hicham_what distro are u on that doesn't push pulseaudio ?Sep 11 21:48
MinceRDaemonFC: why can't you shut up and move to a bsd fanboy channel then?Sep 11 21:48
MinceR_Hicham_: debianSep 11 21:48
DaemonFCKubuntu doesn't have itSep 11 21:48
MinceR*ubuntu forces it on you if you install ubuntu-desktop, thoughSep 11 21:48
DaemonFCall kinds of sound problems cause there's nothing there to hide themSep 11 21:49
MinceRthat's what i have my handy pulseaudio killer script forSep 11 21:49
MinceRwhile true; do killall pulseaudio; sleep 0.1s; doneSep 11 21:49
_Hicham_pulseaudio was created to hide those problemsSep 11 21:49
DaemonFCso MinceR, how do you recommend fixing this?Sep 11 21:49
MinceRpulseaudio happened to create more problemsSep 11 21:49
MinceRwhile reinventing the wheelSep 11 21:49
_Hicham_like ?Sep 11 21:49
DaemonFCinstalling and configuring DMIX?Sep 11 21:49
MinceRDaemonFC: i recommend setting up dmix correctly (most likely your distro does so by default) and killing pulseaudio with fireSep 11 21:50
DaemonFCMinceR, so just a "apt-get install dmix" and log out and in?Sep 11 21:50
MinceR_Hicham_: like sound skipping on heavier loadsSep 11 21:50
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MinceRDaemonFC: i think it's an alsa feature, i didn't screw with it muchSep 11 21:50
DaemonFCmaybe fidget around with my Phonon preferences?Sep 11 21:50
MinceRDaemonFC: since most of my sound cards don't have hardware mixing, i can simply tell if it works :>Sep 11 21:50
DaemonFCMinceR, Intel HDA obviously doesn't have itSep 11 21:51
DaemonFCPulseaudio and the Windows Mixer both hide that problem well enoughSep 11 21:51
DaemonFCWindows Mixer probably works better than Pulseaudio just for the fact that there's no plain text configuration files for the user to mess withSep 11 21:51
_Hicham_Windows Sound Mixer works better because all apps communicates with itSep 11 21:53
_Hicham_everythingSep 11 21:53
_Hicham_it is part of Win32 APISep 11 21:53
DaemonFCyes, Windows forces them to not be stupid and all do their own thingSep 11 21:53
_Hicham_http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-wacky-web-we-weave.htmlSep 11 21:54
_Hicham_who is the writer of this blog ?Sep 11 21:54
MinceRDaemonFC: iirc i've looked at a dmix setup guide and it involved writing a .conf fileSep 11 21:54
_Hicham_who is this verofakto ?Sep 11 21:54
_Hicham_is it u DaemonFC ?Sep 11 21:54
DaemonFCwhen the user has to worry about what application has a lock on the sound system, that's user abuseSep 11 21:54
DaemonFCno modern OS should _ever_ let things get that fucked upSep 11 21:55
MinceRthe only time i've ever seen such a lock happen was when pulseaudio fucked things upSep 11 21:55
DaemonFCin Windows, bypassing the mixer is possible, but you have to opt into that behaviorSep 11 21:55
MinceRbecause it gets around dmix by accessing the lowlevel apiSep 11 21:55
DaemonFCon Linux, some things use Pulseaudio, some things don'tSep 11 21:55
MinceRDaemonFC: same thing with alsaSep 11 21:55
MinceRand no matter how much you rant, pulseaudio remains a badly written hackjobSep 11 21:55
DaemonFCMinceR, I am not disagreeing with youSep 11 21:56
MinceRicSep 11 21:56
DaemonFCto fix it you'd have to make it mandatory for every applicationSep 11 21:56
DaemonFCand that's not going to happenSep 11 21:56
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MinceRthat's the same thing as forbidding windows apps from bypassing the mixerSep 11 21:57
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trmanco_Hicham_: I'm on that list tooSep 11 21:57
trmancodon't careSep 11 21:57
DaemonFCMinceR, As it stands, there are some well behaved apps that use it and the user never has to care about some obscure setting somewhere (Cheese, GNOME sound recorder, etc.)Sep 11 21:57
DaemonFCand some flagrantly misbehaving apps like VLCSep 11 21:57
_Hicham_trmanco : do u know that genious who wrote this stuff ?Sep 11 21:57
MinceR(flash) (video) (audio:unimportant) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcF_xX2DE8&feature=player_embeddedSep 11 21:58
DaemonFCMinceR, trying to go back and fix a clusterfuck 30 years in the making usually doesn't workSep 11 21:58
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DaemonFCWindows has always had some kind of software mixer abilitiesSep 11 21:59
DaemonFCso you never really run into any problems like thisSep 11 22:00
MinceRDaemonFC: then get an audigy2 and enjoy hardware mixing :>Sep 11 22:00
MinceRor write a driver that intercepts the lowlevel api and if anything outside alsa tries to talk to it, it gives them a nice SIGKILLSep 11 22:00
DaemonFCMinceR, I probably should just get a dedicated cardSep 11 22:01
DaemonFCyou're rightSep 11 22:01
DaemonFCgot $100 I can borrow?Sep 11 22:01
_Hicham_DaemonFC : u r in the US and u can't get a $100 ?Sep 11 22:01
_Hicham_it is like u r living in EthiopiaSep 11 22:02
DaemonFC_Hicham_, It's kind of stupid that I should need to spend $100 just for that?Sep 11 22:02
MinceRDaemonFC: no, not for youSep 11 22:02
DaemonFCthen with my luck, I unbox it and Linux doesn't support it anywaySep 11 22:02
MinceRDaemonFC: or you could avoid broken apps that screw with the insides of alsa?Sep 11 22:03
DaemonFCLinux just makes me want to go all mommy dearest on its assSep 11 22:03
DaemonFCseriouslySep 11 22:03
DaemonFC"NO MORE wire hangers!!!!!"Sep 11 22:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Advocated Using an Allegory http://bit.ly/1522hTSep 11 22:04
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DaemonFCMinceR, You figure this would do it?Sep 11 22:05
DaemonFChttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102007Sep 11 22:05
MinceRx-fi has craptastic linux support, afaikSep 11 22:05
MinceRthanks to creativeSep 11 22:05
DaemonFCMinceR, Didn't I see an X-Fi driver in 2.6.31?Sep 11 22:06
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MinceRi don't knowSep 11 22:06
MinceRthere was some news about x-fi support but i didn't followSep 11 22:07
MinceRthe way creative started the whole x-fi/linux issue made me stop caringSep 11 22:07
MinceR"we are going to keep you in the dark and we are going to develop our own, fantastic, proprietary driver!"Sep 11 22:07
MinceRas if that situation wasn't bad enough regarding GPUsSep 11 22:08
_Hicham_2.6.31 is a great releaseSep 11 22:08
_Hicham_I am liking itSep 11 22:08
DaemonFChttp://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cc72361481f00253f1e468ade5795427386d593Sep 11 22:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] why web development sucks: for a start, you need to write in *at least* six languages http://ff.im/-7XZkl six layers of hacks ... *shudder*Sep 11 22:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Simply Simpler Than #Windows http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/codecs.html http://bit.ly/84KFE http://bit.ly/7E9BdSep 11 22:09
MinceRDaemonFC: maybe creative got a clue and fixed the issue then.Sep 11 22:09
MinceRi can't really tell you more about x-fi, not having owned such a card. :)Sep 11 22:10
DaemonFClooks like the cheapest one that driver supports is $89.99Sep 11 22:10
DaemonFCand I'm fresh out of PCI-E slotsSep 11 22:11
DaemonFCwonder if Newegg has any open box or refurbsSep 11 22:11
DaemonFCI just want something good enough to do mixing without relying on softwareSep 11 22:12
MinceRhm, there's one more thing beside pulseaudio that can break dmix -- that i know aboutSep 11 22:12
DaemonFCbeyond that I don't careSep 11 22:12
MinceRusing /dev/dsp might.Sep 11 22:12
MinceRvery few apps use it nowadays thoughSep 11 22:12
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MinceRalso, there were news of a new "FUSE for character devices" thing that was said to be able to eventually solve this problem.Sep 11 22:13
MinceRmaybe pulseaudio uses /dev/dsp too? i'm not sure.Sep 11 22:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Preciso de contactar o RMS de PortugalSep 11 22:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Desktop #Windows Needs to Catch up with #GNU #Linux to be Adopted http://bit.ly/2Pne88Sep 11 22:14
_Hicham_pulseaudio doesn't use /dev/dsp for sureSep 11 22:14
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DaemonFCit's nice of Kubuntu to take a nice big shit on anyone with an integrated sound carSep 11 22:16
DaemonFC*cardSep 11 22:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat 's #KVM to Knock #Microsoft / #Citrix Xen Off the #Server ? http://bit.ly/fS42X http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/report ...Sep 11 22:17
MinceRworks for meSep 11 22:17
MinceR(my home desktop box is still running kubuntu :) )Sep 11 22:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Still Makes #GNU #Linux a "Microsoft Operating System" http://bit.ly/763Yw #dell #failSep 11 22:18
DaemonFCI may just keep tinkering with Pulseaudio on KubuntuSep 11 22:19
DaemonFCsee if I can get it to do anything besides freeze upSep 11 22:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NYSE Moves to #GNU #Linux for World's Biggest Market http://bit.ly/3fyjzSep 11 22:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DreamWorks Films Are Produced by #GNU #Linux on Tens of Thousands of Cores http://bit.ly/OiBY1Sep 11 22:24
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Has Large Variety of #CAD Applications http://bit.ly/8w2QASep 11 22:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of #Chemistry -focused Applications for #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/HZGdKSep 11 22:33
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dyfetis registration broken?Sep 11 22:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Minimalist #DesktopEnvironment and #WindowManager in Details http://bit.ly/qehCz http://bit.ly/nzJYqSep 11 22:38
trmancodyfet: it was working a couple of days agoSep 11 22:38
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dyfeti tried registering twice.  It sent me a password, but when I try the uid/pw, wordpress says "no such user"Sep 11 22:39
dyfettrmanco: so the email part is working, but not login....Sep 11 22:40
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dyfettrmanco: it comes back with "ERROR: Invalid username. Lost your password?" when using the userid & password as sent in email...Sep 11 22:41
trmancothat's strangeSep 11 22:41
dyfettrmanco: I agree :)Sep 11 22:41
trmancoping schestowitzSep 11 22:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Gets Faster, Better, More Applications http://bit.ly/dz7gc http://bit.ly/t7w3r http://bit.ly/RKN55Sep 11 22:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill and Melinda Gates Finally Get It: They Fund a #GNU #Linux #Lab http://bit.ly/XEjFVSep 11 22:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Foresight #GNU #Linux Explains Its #Development Direction http://bit.ly/FK6dxSep 11 22:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Deliver Security Report http://www.awe.com/mark/blog/20090902.htmlSep 11 22:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Delivers Weekly Report http://www.pclinuxonline.com/?p=251Sep 11 22:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Finds Faithful New Lovers http://bit.ly/5TQS5 http://bit.ly/3BV0g2Sep 11 22:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Derivative #moonOS 3 is #Review ed http://bit.ly/Zrj9fSep 11 22:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Impressed Before Release, More Goods Coming http://bit.ly/2S2xbF http://bit.ly/B67JS http://bit.ly/4EcHSBSep 11 22:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Manufacturer ( #INQ ) Goes with #Linux #Phones http://bit.ly/COkhOSep 11 23:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Already Still Beats #Vista7 (Not Existent Yet) on #Sub-notebooks http://bit.ly/ysEOWSep 11 23:05
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Notebooks with Mobile WiMAX Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/32iabHSep 11 23:07
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schestowitzdyfet: heySep 11 23:12
schestowitzWhat's up?Sep 11 23:12
dyfethiSep 11 23:13
dyfetjust problems with registration :)Sep 11 23:13
schestowitzDid you ask #freenode?Sep 11 23:15
schestowitzOh waitSep 11 23:16
dyfetschestowitz: though I have noted you have found some of my recent blogs worth referencing :)Sep 11 23:16
schestowitzYou mean in WordPressSep 11 23:16
dyfetyesSep 11 23:16
schestowitzdyfet: which blog?Sep 11 23:16
dyfetI think the Stallman paradoxSep 11 23:16
schestowitzOhSep 11 23:17
dyfethttp://planet.gnu.org/gnutelephony/  I am surprised you didnt pick up the one about Mono :)Sep 11 23:17
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schestowitzI think I saw itSep 11 23:17
schestowitzWait...Sep 11 23:17
schestowitzI did...Sep 11 23:17
schestowitzI did link to RMS Paradox in several placesSep 11 23:17
schestowitzIn WordPress, did you try resetting the password?Sep 11 23:20
schestowitzI could reset it from here, tooSep 11 23:20
dyfetIt never let me in to do so :)Sep 11 23:20
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dyfetCool...now it at least thinks my userid is valid :)Sep 11 23:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sun 's #MySQL Connects to #OpenOffice.org http://bit.ly/VVU0OSep 11 23:23
schestowitzdyfet: clear cacheSep 11 23:23
schestowitzWe did some caching recently. I led to some funnies at first, in the admin sideSep 11 23:23
schestowitzI needed to delete some browser cookiesSep 11 23:23
dyfetits treating me fairly now.  Yeah, sometimes we all get curious surprises and interactionsSep 11 23:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Free Operating Systems That Compete with #GNU #Linux Are Reviewed http://bit.ly/1vJXAm http://bit.ly/tiUHgSep 11 23:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Audio Production with #Free (Libre) Software Explained, More Funding Earned http://bit.ly/IteA9Sep 11 23:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: CRB checks expanded to entire UK population http://notnews.today.com/?p=639Sep 11 23:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #GIMP 2.8 and More #GNU #Linux #Graphics Applications http://bit.ly/Xh2Eb http://bit.ly/giiCcSep 11 23:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox #Extensions That Make It Fun http://bit.ly/13aToS http://bit.ly/R8eoB #foss #foxySep 11 23:34
schestowitzdyfet: I posted http://planet.gnu.org/gnutelephony/?p=5 in two places (The Stallman Paradox)Sep 11 23:35
schestowitzIt made FS Daily where I found itSep 11 23:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF / #GNU Starts Crowning #FreeSoftware Persons http://bit.ly/DTmXgSep 11 23:36
dyfetschestowitz: what did you think of http://planet.gnu.org/gnutelephony/?p=3 which touches upon everyone's favorite subject recently...?Sep 11 23:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WhiteHouse Staff Starts Talking About #FreeSoftware Publicly http://opensource.org/node/464Sep 11 23:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Classic Example of the Dangers and Agony of #Proprietary Software http://bit.ly/Hk8Ss #failSep 11 23:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AstroTurf / #Lobby Against Regulation in the #FCC , Health Care Reform http://bit.ly/eedcw http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2626 ht ...Sep 11 23:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopoly #Law Under Fire for Benefiting #Moguls at Corpses' Expense http://techdirt.com/articles/20090910/1902136159.shtml ...Sep 11 23:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DRM and #IntellectualMonopolies Infect #Knowledge http://bit.ly/2mIVlOSep 11 23:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Chooses Lawsuits Over Acceptance of Abundance-based #BusinessModels http://bit.ly/3oJ6v0 http://bit.ly/xfiAnSep 11 23:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] German Pirate Party Surges in Popularity http://www.ipjur.com/blog2/index.php?/archives/114-German-Pirate-Party-Surging-To-3%25-Share-o ...Sep 11 23:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virtual Items Considers 'Property' Too http://bit.ly/ogWQG http://bit.ly/maMstSep 11 23:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company That Attacks Consumer Rights Calls Critics Un-American http://techdirt.com/articles/20090910/0251466148.shtmlSep 11 23:58
dyfetWith respect to Virtual Items...there is a definition of Irony :)Sep 11 23:58

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