| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ChromeOS ( #Linux ) Information Leaks Just a Little http://ur1.ca/djlu | Oct 14 00:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A brave new world? – Microsoft wants to work with others? http://tinyurl.com/yk78boy #microsoft #windows #foss #linux | Oct 14 00:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #GIMP Matches #Photoshop Habits http://bit.ly/34k5U3 | Oct 14 00:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Finds More New Lovers, Advances Socially http://ur1.ca/djml http://ur1.ca/djmm http://ur1.ca/djmq | Oct 14 00:09 | |
| jono | schestowitz so we good for 1.30pm Pacific for FLOSSWeekly? | Oct 14 00:09 |
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| jono | I just wanted to double check you knew the time :-) | Oct 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, for sure,. | Oct 14 00:09 |
| jono | cool | Oct 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | I think it will be 9:30 here | Oct 14 00:10 |
| jono | schestowitz I sent the notes you sent me to Leo | Oct 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I'll be in IRC anyway | Oct 14 00:10 |
| jono | sounds good | Oct 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | jono: poorly proofread (my notes) | Oct 14 00:10 |
| jono | schestowitz brb | Oct 14 00:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RPM Has New Goods to Show http://bit.ly/zss7J | Oct 14 00:10 | |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Oct 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | When I write proofread I should embphasis it's an adjective | Oct 14 00:11 |
| schestowitz | I just wrote back some stuff quickly. Could make it less sloppy.. | Oct 14 00:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 Targets Big Clustered #Servers http://ur1.ca/djok http://ur1.ca/djol http://ur1.ca/djoo | Oct 14 00:14 | |
| jono | bback | Oct 14 00:14 |
| jono | no worries schestowitz, it will be fine | Oct 14 00:14 |
| jono | ok, I best get back to the grindstone :) | Oct 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I've just realised you live nearby in Bay Area | Oct 14 00:15 |
| jono | schestowitz nearby? | Oct 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | As in, not far from Leo's studio? | Oct 14 00:15 |
| jono | oh yeah, about an hour away | Oct 14 00:15 |
| jono | I keep meaning to get there, I haven't met him face to face yet | Oct 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | SMall distance for the US :-) | Oct 14 00:15 |
| jono | haha, you are not wrong :) | Oct 14 00:16 |
| jono | ok, I am gonna run, give me a yell if you need anything else | Oct 14 00:16 |
| jono | :) | Oct 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Cool, thanks | Oct 14 00:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Receives More Excellent Reviews http://ur1.ca/djq1 http://ur1.ca/djq2 http://ur1.ca/djq3 | Oct 14 00:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #anybodyseen someone who is running a Windows 7 party? (see video link at bottom of article) http://tinyurl.com/y8w3xjh #microsoft #windows | Oct 14 00:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Intel Makes a Software Division Focuses on #Linux and RT http://ur1.ca/djqa #rtos | Oct 14 00:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Moblin 2.1 Previewed and Reviewed http://ur1.ca/djqd http://ur1.ca/djqe http://ur1.ca/djqf | Oct 14 00:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WikiReader Launched, Runs #Linux http://ur1.ca/djqh http://ur1.ca/djqi | Oct 14 00:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another New E-Reader Uses #Linux (Gyy) http://bit.ly/1QJjBk | Oct 14 00:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm 's #Linux #Phones Extremely Popular in the #UK http://ur1.ca/djqt | Oct 14 00:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slashdot Review of #Android / #Linux as a #Development Ground http://ur1.ca/djqz | Oct 14 00:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's #Linux #Gadgets to Get a Lot More Sophisticated Soon http://ur1.ca/dj4a http://ur1.ca/djr2 | Oct 14 00:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UbiSurfer Runs #GNU #Linux Only, Comes for a Small Price http://ur1.ca/djrc | Oct 14 00:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS Comes Back to #GNU #Linux in Sub-notebooks, Apparently http://ur1.ca/djrh http://ur1.ca/djri | Oct 14 00:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenOffice.org Turns Nine http://bit.ly/1iIFkS | Oct 14 00:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HospitalOS Built with #FOSS Components http://bit.ly/2Is5xR | Oct 14 00:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Steals Heaps of Microsoft Customers http://ur1.ca/djtd Helps Free Software Programming http://ur1.ca/djti | Oct 14 01:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Forces #Transparency (and Thus Good Behaviour) http://ur1.ca/d9hq http://ur1.ca/djty | Oct 14 01:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Michigan Airport Site Downed by #Windows Disasters http://bit.ly/1xKeB | Oct 14 01:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Accused of Blocking #GNU #Linux Again http://ur1.ca/djum | Oct 14 01:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, the doctor put me on Zestril | Oct 14 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | hypertension | Oct 14 01:23 |
| schestowitz | What's that? | Oct 14 01:24 |
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| DaemonFC | high blood pressure | Oct 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Zestril | Oct 14 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | the drug is old, I got the $4 /month generic | Oct 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Chemicals with funny marketing names | Oct 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Like how the drug dealers name long chemical compounds | Oct 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | High blood pressure? You're my age | Oct 14 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | Lisinopril | Oct 14 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | 145/100 | Oct 14 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.drugs.com/zestril.html | Oct 14 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, genetics are a bitch | Oct 14 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | my dad is on Zestril, has been for like 18 years now | Oct 14 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | anyhow, they think that may have contributed to the seizures | Oct 14 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | so they put me on the zestril to control it | Oct 14 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | $4 a month is hardly worth arguing with them about | Oct 14 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Paid off well for them | Oct 14 01:27 |
| schestowitz | If the drug goes wrong it's more revenue | Oct 14 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Until there is a public health care system | Oct 14 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't have many side effects | Oct 14 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | older drugs don't seem to have as many as newer ones | Oct 14 01:28 |
| schestowitz | It's not amount | Oct 14 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Or numbers | Oct 14 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think the approval process is more lax now | Oct 14 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | I won't use the meds with nasty side effects | Oct 14 01:28 |
| Balrog_ | hmmm. Xorg 1.7 for Mac is in alpha, and 1.6 will soon be released | Oct 14 01:29 |
| Balrog_ | anyway how is everything going in here? | Oct 14 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, diet is important for a lot of stuff, but things like cholesterol can't always be controlled with that | Oct 14 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | they took a blood draw to do a lipid profile today so I may have to go on a statin if my cholesterol and triglycerides are too high | Oct 14 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather take a few pills a day now than drop dead of a heart attack in 15 years when the blood pressure has destroyed my arteries, heart, etc. | Oct 14 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Oct 14 01:31 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: how is everything going here? I've been ridiculously busy | Oct 14 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Going well | Oct 14 01:32 |
| Balrog_ | that's good | Oct 14 01:32 |
| schestowitz | No interferences , which is nice | Oct 14 01:32 |
| Balrog_ | yes, very much so | Oct 14 01:32 |
| Balrog_ | I heard of that SideKick / Danger thing | Oct 14 01:32 |
| Balrog_ | what a mess | Oct 14 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Leopard Snow too | Oct 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Data loss | Oct 14 01:33 |
| Balrog_ | well yea I know about that | Oct 14 01:33 |
| Balrog_ | at least it's not as bad as the 10.5 / 10.5.1 data loss issues | Oct 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | "Hi, I'm a Mac. I lose data" | Oct 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | "And I'm a PC, I delete data remotely" | Oct 14 01:33 |
| Balrog_ | you'd lose data if you were moving files over the network and somehow interrupted it | Oct 14 01:33 |
| Balrog_ | I've seen problems with linux filesystems too :( | Oct 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I wrote about the 2007 incident | Oct 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: ext4 was not final at this stage | Oct 14 01:34 |
| Balrog_ | the joke around here about ReiserFS was that it kills your data (we had some issues with it) | Oct 14 01:34 |
| Balrog_ | I'm not talking about ext4 | Oct 14 01:34 |
| Balrog_ | and ext3 is really stable | Oct 14 01:34 |
| Balrog_ | but I'm just saying ... that latest and greatest isn't always the best | Oct 14 01:35 |
| Balrog_ | that's true with anything though | Oct 14 01:36 |
| Balrog_ | I'm not happy with Apple about patching the jailbreak vuln out of the current iPhone 3gs | Oct 14 01:36 |
| Balrog_ | this just came out today, too | Oct 14 01:37 |
| Balrog_ | and it seems like they're relying on the boot chain for security; not a good idea | Oct 14 01:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HvGy2gY0eM | Oct 14 01:38 |
| Balrog_ | (break the boot chain and the "hardware encryption" is useless ... I think you wrote about that) | Oct 14 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Better to buy from a company that does not prevent it | Oct 14 01:39 |
| Balrog_ | well none of the current Android hardware performs that well. Also people aren't happy with what T-Mobile did to the MyTouch ... instead of shipping it with 288MB of RAM as in Europe they included only 192MB of RAM | Oct 14 01:40 |
| Balrog_ | (also T-Mobile's network SUCKS here but that's a different story) | Oct 14 01:40 |
| Balrog_ | the situation with the cellular companies in the US is another mess | Oct 14 01:41 |
| Balrog_ | there are four, and two of them are terrible here (T-mobile and Sprint) | Oct 14 01:41 |
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| DaemonFC | Hi, I'm Ext4, I delete data at random when the power goes out and I haven't committed it yet | Oct 14 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 14 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's easier to remember the brand name than some weird chemical name that's three times longer | Oct 14 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | doctors still do things like prescribe Prozac but sign it May Substitute | Oct 14 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | you still get the generic | Oct 14 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's why the drug companies make the brand name easier to remember than the chemical name | Oct 14 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | say Prozac, mean fluoxetine | Oct 14 02:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] NFL players line up to block Rush Limbaugh's bid for the St Louis Rams | Sport | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/yfkxumg | Oct 14 02:28 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: ping | Oct 14 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Something's up | Oct 14 02:29 |
| schestowitz | I've restarted apache | Oct 14 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | new PC may be here tomorrow | Oct 14 02:31 |
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| tessier | Problem? | Oct 14 02:35 |
| tessier | Seems to be ok now... | Oct 14 02:36 |
| tessier | Something in php/wordpress probably gets stuck every now and then. | Oct 14 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | tessier: Let me check | Oct 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | It basically didn't serve about 15 minutes ago | Oct 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | I apachectl restart three times | Oct 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | Seems like it served something a moment ago, but none at the moment. Sorry about that... | Oct 14 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing is, twit.tv is having a real problem right now as well (live show) | Oct 14 02:42 |
| schestowitz | Leo starts cussing... | Oct 14 02:42 |
| schestowitz | tessier: do you know what it might be? Maybe I can help? | Oct 14 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: are you still there? | Oct 14 02:53 |
| schestowitz | Google's Postini clogs email in US, UK < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/13/google_postini_delays/ > | Oct 14 02:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Rumor Has Google Acquiring Akamai < http://ur1.ca/djzm > That would make Microsoft Google-dependent. | Oct 14 03:10 | |
| schestowitz | Greenpeace protesters spend night on parliament roof < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/12/greenpeace-westminster-roof-protest > | Oct 14 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Pacific Ocean 'dead zone' in Northwest may be irreversible http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-oregon-ocean9-2009oct09,0,4615320.story | Oct 14 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, When is CentOS 5.4 out? | Oct 14 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | I may try it out | Oct 14 03:14 |
| schestowitz | I have server issues ATM | Oct 14 03:15 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't serve pages, but I'm getting through just fine via SSH | Oct 14 03:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Himalayan sherpas bugged by the sight of house flies at 5,000m" http://ur1.ca/dk03 #globalwarming | Oct 14 03:16 | |
| schestowitz | Both Wiki and WordPress doing the same..... | Oct 14 03:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/07/italy.turin.shroud/index.html | Oct 14 03:17 |
| schestowitz | 'In 2005, Jamie Leigh Jones was gang-raped by her co-workers while she was working for Halliburton/KBR in Baghdad. She was detained in a shipping container for at least 24 hours without food, water, or a bed, and “warned her that if she left Iraq for medical treatment, she’d be out of a job.”' http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/07/kbr-rape-franken-amendment/ | Oct 14 03:19 |
| schestowitz | "Did Bush Continue to Secretly Operate Total Information Awareness?" http://www.truthout.org/091909A?print | Oct 14 03:20 |
| cubezzz | Total Information Awareness is just so Orwellian | Oct 14 03:22 |
| schestowitz | Are App Stores Evil? < http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7573/1.html > | Oct 14 03:27 |
| schestowitz | the site is down and it's later here. Not sure what to do.... tessier will hopefully save the day :-) | Oct 14 03:31 |
| cubezzz | well, blackberry is proprietary | Oct 14 03:31 |
| cubezzz | I sleep next to my server | Oct 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ ping boycottnovell.com | Oct 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | PING boycottnovell.com (216.105.40.114) 56(84) bytes of data. | Oct 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | 64 bytes from static-105-40-114.ixpres.com (216.105.40.114): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=154 ms | Oct 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | 64 bytes from static-105-40-114.ixpres.com (216.105.40.114): icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=154 ms | Oct 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | 64 bytes from static-105-40-114.ixpres.com (216.105.40.114): icmp_seq=3 ttl=45 time=153 ms | Oct 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | 64 bytes from static-105-40-114.ixpres.com (216.105.40.114): icmp_seq=4 ttl=45 time=154 ms | Oct 14 03:32 |
| cubezzz | can you ssh in? | Oct 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Regardless the CMS it doesn't serve pages, not even static | Oct 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I'm on via ssh | Oct 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | I also restarted apache many time | Oct 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | *times | Oct 14 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm thinking the seizures were just the beginning of worse to come if I don't shape up | Oct 14 03:33 |
| tessier | What's wrong with the site? | Oct 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I don't know | Oct 14 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | they pretty much scared me straight overnight, in a sense | Oct 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | It just doesn't serve anything | Oct 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | THe server can be reach by ping/ssh | Oct 14 03:34 |
| schestowitz | For 1.5 hours it has not served to any address | Oct 14 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | the problem, schestowitz is that there's no such thing as alternative therapy | Oct 14 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | there's fraudulant herb and vitamin hucksters | Oct 14 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | and pray away the sickness charlatan religious whackjobs | Oct 14 03:35 |
| schestowitz | tessier: it's unlikely a CMS issue cause dymamic addresses and the Wiki don't work, either | Oct 14 03:35 |
| schestowitz | *static I mean | Oct 14 03:35 |
| cubezzz | I believe in mind over matter to a certain degree | Oct 14 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | so as crappy as taking pills and getting things cut out is, it's the only thing that produces any results | Oct 14 03:35 |
| cubezzz | e.g. people with strong willpower generally live longer | Oct 14 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | well, taking things like B vitamin complex certainly can't hurt | Oct 14 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | but it would never be the only thing I did | Oct 14 03:36 |
| cubezzz | sure, you can't be positive you are getting enough nutrients | Oct 14 03:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier: could it be a suppressed port number? | Oct 14 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, it's like I said earlier, I'd rather take a blood pressure pill each day than die at 40 of a heart attack with no further warning | Oct 14 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | that just scares the hell out of me | Oct 14 03:38 |
| cubezzz | exercise with a heart monitor maybe | Oct 14 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | I have to go in for an EKG next week | Oct 14 03:38 |
| cubezzz | I've seen apache run for a year without problems | Oct 14 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I don't throw anything heavy enough at my system to where Windows usually becomes a problem | Oct 14 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | games and music an the occasional DVD is hardly a challenge | Oct 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I don't know if it's Apache | Oct 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the requests just don't reach i | Oct 14 03:40 |
| cubezzz | one thing I do is watch processes carefully | Oct 14 03:40 |
| cubezzz | you could have been attacked | Oct 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | I loooked at the processes | Oct 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | Also, there was no unusual activity like DDOS in a long time (and no reason for any) | Oct 14 03:41 |
| cubezzz | can you telnet to port 80? | Oct 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | Leahy's Bill Would Set Single Federal Standard for Data Breach Notification < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/leahys-bill-would-set-single-federal-standard-for-data-breach-notification/?cs=36650 > | Oct 14 03:41 |
| cubezzz | I assume no | Oct 14 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | DDOS is inefficient and too brutish | Oct 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I don't think that port is open | Oct 14 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think with all the 0 day crap floating around for Linux that they could find something | Oct 14 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | they probably just don't want to lose them just to pwn schestowitz | Oct 14 03:42 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, one time I tried to attack my own box | Oct 14 03:42 |
| cubezzz | I was unsuccessful :) | Oct 14 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | I still stand at two viruses in over 15 years of using Windows | Oct 14 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | and neither of them did any damage or infected anything | Oct 14 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | I just think the entire problem is overblown to sell Macs and stuff | Oct 14 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | in Linux advocacy, it's like Christians telling kids that condoms have little holes in them | Oct 14 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's bark at the moon crazy | Oct 14 03:45 |
| cubezzz | nmap boycottnovell.com ...and no, I'm not attacking :) | Oct 14 03:45 |
| cubezzz | zip, nothing | Oct 14 03:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/wi-fi_blocking.html | Oct 14 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I'll be using wifi anymore | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | wait a sec... | Oct 14 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | ethernet is faster | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | 2/tcp open ssh | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | 80/tcp open http | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | 179/tcp filtered bgp | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | 623/tcp filtered unknown | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | 664/tcp filtered unknown | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | 3306/tcp open mysql | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | you're visible schestowitz | Oct 14 03:46 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, of course, wires are more reliable | Oct 14 03:48 |
| cubezzz | computers generate tons of EM radiation | Oct 14 03:48 |
| schestowitz | Any idea what to look at? It's 4am now.. | Oct 14 03:50 |
| cubezzz | well I can't see anything on port 80 at all | Oct 14 03:52 |
| cubezzz | if you want I can take a look | Oct 14 03:54 |
| cubezzz | dns problem maybe | Oct 14 03:55 |
| cubezzz | can you see the site using numeric ip? | Oct 14 03:56 |
| cubezzz | I can xmtr to your ip btw | Oct 14 03:57 |
| cubezzz | so not dns then | Oct 14 03:58 |
| tessier | Site still having problems? Nothing has changed on my end... | Oct 14 04:20 |
| tessier | I do see some hits in the log... | Oct 14 04:20 |
| tessier | Would be more helpful but I'm in the middle of a network upgrade here at work...I'll check out bn as soon as I'm done with this... | Oct 14 04:20 |
| cubezzz | can't see anything on port 80 still | Oct 14 04:21 |
| tessier | I just got the site from here | Oct 14 04:23 |
| tessier | seems to be working | Oct 14 04:23 |
| cubezzz | I can see it now too | Oct 14 04:25 |
| cubezzz | maybe something upstream was the prob | Oct 14 04:26 |
| tessier | I think so | Oct 14 04:32 |
| Omar87 | Alright, ppl. | Oct 14 04:44 |
| Omar87 | I'm becoming pissed off about that at boycott-boycottnovell | Oct 14 04:45 |
| Balrog_ | Omar87: what are they doing now? | Oct 14 04:49 |
| Omar87 | Balrog, I'm really not sure. But whatever it is, it's pissing me off. | Oct 14 05:04 |
| Omar87 | Balrog, do they have an IRC #channel? | Oct 14 05:05 |
| Omar87 | http://www.boycott-boycottnovell.com/index.php/the-news/68-unreasonable-demands | Oct 14 05:08 |
| tessier | hah...there's a boycott-boycottnovell? ROFL | Oct 14 05:13 |
| tessier | A meta-meta-site! | Oct 14 05:14 |
| cubezzz | I'm boycotting boycott-boycottnovell | Oct 14 05:17 |
| cubezzz | I'm ahead of the curve :) | Oct 14 05:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | a.... | Oct 14 05:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | what? | Oct 14 05:18 |
| *Diablo-D3 's brain is leaking out of his ear. | Oct 14 05:19 | |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, you heard it. :) | Oct 14 05:23 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, a boycott-boycottnovell site is out there already. | Oct 14 05:23 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, their posts are flooding FSDaily already. | Oct 14 05:24 |
| *Diablo-D3 's brain starts leaking out of his other ear. | Oct 14 05:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Slashdot Linux Story | Washington Post Says Use Linux To Avoid Bank Fraud http://tinyurl.com/ylerlos | Oct 14 05:29 | |
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| Omar87 | Anyone knows of any Sharepoint alternatives other than the partially free Alfresco? | Oct 14 05:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Emergency Repair Kit For Linux | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ykwd6u2 | Oct 14 07:09 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/13/snow_leopard_data_eating_bug_predates_now_leopard/ | Oct 14 07:37 |
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| tessier | What is wp-cron.php? It is getting called a zillion times. | Oct 14 07:57 |
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| tessier | ah, that is something being run on the box itself | Oct 14 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: cron checks for updates and stuff | Oct 14 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Is it being called too often? It's not something that can be changed, I think. | Oct 14 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw has had numerous anti-Groklaw sites, but they dried up due to lack of interest | Oct 14 08:44 |
| schestowitz | So it's better not to feed the anti-Stallmans who attack us | Oct 14 08:44 |
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| oiaohm | Some people don't get the advantage of the livecd idea. | Oct 14 08:53 |
| oiaohm | Use a normal usb key does not work. Its that its write protected is key so preventing alteration. | Oct 14 08:53 |
| cubezzz | bah, I need awk after all | Oct 14 08:54 |
| cubezzz | what the heck, tzselect needs the korn shell.... | Oct 14 09:01 |
| Krenso | oiaohm, there are usb keys with switch to protect writing | Oct 14 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Not common and most usb drive versions of Linuxs don't work on them Krenso | Oct 14 09:04 |
| oiaohm | There are ways to put livecd images on them those are designed to work with read only media. | Oct 14 09:05 |
| Krenso | You can find some with usb images also | Oct 14 09:05 |
| Krenso | Arch for example | Oct 14 09:05 |
| Krenso | i think fedora also | Oct 14 09:06 |
| oiaohm | fedora has a livecd image installer on usb. | Oct 14 09:06 |
| oiaohm | And a writeable usb form as well. | Oct 14 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes one of the annoying complexities. | Oct 14 09:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on #Microsoft : #Michigan #Airport #Security Issues, #WalMart Cracked, 34 New #Vulnerabilities http://ur1.ca/dkkj | Oct 14 09:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analytics Company Says #Novell “Below Average Quality Company with Negative Outlook” and “Weak Business Growth” http://ur1.ca/dkkk | Oct 14 09:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Accused of Blocking #GNU #Linux Users http://bit.ly/Apg5j | Oct 14 09:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono ’s #1 Problem is Not Software Patents http://bit.ly/MXOr8 #swpat #novell | Oct 14 10:11 | |
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| oiaohm | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/10/avoid_windows_malware_bank_on.html More and more reports on avoid windows. | Oct 14 10:32 |
| oiaohm | This is not what MS will be wanting up until the release of windows 7. | Oct 14 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 has holes | Oct 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Basically, the PR effort of V7 is falling apart recent | Oct 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | If people look around they easily find negative signs now | Oct 14 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Problem is the effectiveness of anti-virus software is failing now. | Oct 14 10:39 |
| oiaohm | The old forcasts had that for about 2013. | Oct 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Now only now | Oct 14 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Been a few years now | Oct 14 10:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Nobel Laureate Opposes #IntellectualMonopolies, New Briefs in #Bilski Case http://ur1.ca/dkps #Patents | Oct 14 10:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/14/michael_dell_churchill_club_speech/ | Oct 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Colt quietly offshores network ops http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/14/colt_india/ | Oct 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Turns out that northwest (UK) unemployment is among highest in the country | Oct 14 10:53 |
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| satipera | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/oct/14/microsoft-family-guy | Oct 14 10:53 |
| schestowitz | BSA propoaganda leaves out FOSS: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/14/bsa_piracy_takedown_efforts/ | Oct 14 10:53 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: we moved from a 3 percent failure rate to 20 percent in 12 months. | Oct 14 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Ie new threats that will take out anti-virus software. | Oct 14 10:54 |
| oiaohm | That get threw. | Oct 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz | satipera: Microsoft ruins some of my favourite shows. First Seinfeld and now this.. | Oct 14 10:54 |
| oiaohm | If this stays the same inside next 12 the anti-virus wall will be no more. | Oct 14 10:55 |
| satipera | I know how you feel roy, they take the dosh and move on. | Oct 14 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | Guy Uploads Book To Google, Selects Wrong Option... Sues Google For Infringement < http://techdirt.com/articles/20091012/2247406497.shtml > | Oct 14 10:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.journal-topics.com/topics/09/top091008.7.html against anonymity again | Oct 14 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-13-020-35-OS-KE-NT-0000 | Oct 14 11:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 14 11:10 |
| schestowitz | The term 'freedom services' really caught my attention. | Oct 14 11:10 |
| schestowitz | 'Freedom services' is absolutely NOT the same as the genuine 'freedom' we have so briefly enjoyed. | Oct 14 11:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 14 11:10 |
| schestowitz | More gimmicks | Oct 14 11:11 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 14 11:18 |
| cubezzz | 1994 -> 2009 that's 15 years, not that brief in computer time | Oct 14 11:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats funny? | Oct 14 11:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres computers still running older than us. | Oct 14 11:20 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Oct 14 11:20 |
| cubezzz | ok, I was born in 1965 | Oct 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations http://techreport.com/articles.x/17732 | Oct 14 11:20 |
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| cubezzz | still running in a museum? :) | Oct 14 11:21 |
| oiaohm | So where is that new. | Oct 14 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Not even mainframes | Oct 14 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe satellites | Oct 14 11:21 |
| cubezzz | '65 computer with magnetic core mem would be cool on my desk though | Oct 14 11:21 |
| cubezzz | did Voyager have a computer? :) | Oct 14 11:23 |
| oiaohm | There are still satelites up there older than me. | Oct 14 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes Voyager has a computer that still works. | Oct 14 11:23 |
| cubezzz | oldest thing I have is an arcade machine from early 1983 | Oct 14 11:24 |
| cubezzz | intel 8085 | Oct 14 11:24 |
| cubezzz | here we go: | Oct 14 11:25 |
| cubezzz | http://www.cedmagic.com/history/project-gemini-computer.html | Oct 14 11:25 |
| trmanco | http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/10/10/0124227/Open-Source-Could-Have-Saved-Ontario-Hundreds-of-Millions?art_pos=4 | Oct 14 11:26 |
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| cubezzz | IBM System/360 is older than me | Oct 14 11:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Opinion: The "joy" of Windows XP: http://tinyurl.com/yjmq67n | Oct 14 11:27 | |
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| cubezzz | IBM 4381 or something, trying to remember now... that was the earliest work computer I can remember | Oct 14 11:27 |
| cubezzz | IBM 4381 with it's massive (for 1983) 64 megs of ram | Oct 14 11:29 |
| P|scean | i have a 1976 atari racing arcade game :P | Oct 14 11:30 |
| cubezzz | that might even be before microprocessor | Oct 14 11:30 |
| P|scean | found a pic of one http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/arcade/fullsize/lemans-front.jpg | Oct 14 11:31 |
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| Diablo-D3 | [06:19:43] <cubezzz> ok, I was born in 1965 | Oct 14 11:32 |
| cubezzz | I can remember the 70's era of arcades | Oct 14 11:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck are you so old? | Oct 14 11:32 |
| *cubezzz shrugs | Oct 14 11:32 | |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck are you even on irc | Oct 14 11:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt know they had the internet in old folks homes! | Oct 14 11:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm not that old | Oct 14 11:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, you're like in your 90s! | Oct 14 11:33 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Oct 14 11:34 |
| cubezzz | I'm 44 | Oct 14 11:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzYwNg | Oct 14 11:34 |
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| P|scean | 44 isnt old | Oct 14 11:34 |
| cubezzz | right, thank you for that :) | Oct 14 11:35 |
| cubezzz | irc itself is old | Oct 14 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: stop being rude | Oct 14 11:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/sep/16/climate-change-beer-quality | Oct 14 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, learn when people are being funny | Oct 14 11:38 |
| schestowitz | It's not even funny | Oct 14 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | shush, what would you know | Oct 14 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Not to the person whom you say it to | Oct 14 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Some of my friends are older than my parents and they don't appreciate age/weight jokes | Oct 14 11:39 |
| *Diablo-D3 sometimes wonders if schestowitz lives in the same universe everyone else does | Oct 14 11:39 | |
| *schestowitz squezes his head out of a wormhole | Oct 14 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | Those String Theory guys are hilarious | Oct 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | "Infinite numbers of universes" | Oct 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Yet there is nothing that we know of that is infinite | Oct 14 11:40 |
| cubezzz | if they get a grant for that, that's hilarious | Oct 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Still arguing about the 10th and 11th dimensions for decade | Oct 14 11:41 |
| schestowitz | "super-gravity..." | Oct 14 11:41 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: they can barely get grad students for it | Oct 14 11:41 |
| schestowitz | m-theory... membrace theory.. and other "M"s.... it's all just jargon | Oct 14 11:42 |
| cubezzz | there's some pretty odd groups online | Oct 14 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Like quacks who use words like "energy" (from physics) to refer to mysteical mumbo jumbo | Oct 14 11:42 |
| cubezzz | here's one: | Oct 14 11:42 |
| cubezzz | http://cubezzz.homelinux.org/drupal/ | Oct 14 11:42 |
| phIRCe | Title: Domain of the Cube Forum | Cube lovers returns .::. Size~: 21.31 KB | Oct 14 11:42 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Oct 14 11:42 |
| cubezzz | lots of programmers get together on IRC | Oct 14 11:45 |
| cubezzz | I was off IRC for years, but this channel got my attention | Oct 14 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Same here for over 10 years | Oct 14 11:46 |
| schestowitz | IRC channel for BN was not my idea | Oct 14 11:46 |
| cubezzz | some the people I know are on msn or whatever their network is called | Oct 14 11:50 |
| cubezzz | didn't like it too much | Oct 14 11:50 |
| cubezzz | well I hear comments like "astronomy is useless" | Oct 14 11:52 |
| cubezzz | mostly from people who didn't go very far in school, not much science background | Oct 14 11:53 |
| cubezzz | but string theory does seem kind of useless I have to say | Oct 14 11:53 |
| schestowitz | This post overcomplicates things: http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/mplayer-as-default-dvd-player-in-kde-4/ | Oct 14 11:54 |
| phIRCe | Title: Mplayer as default DVD player in KDE 4 « Helpful Linux Tidbits .::. Size~: 24.66 KB | Oct 14 11:54 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: science is daemonised | Oct 14 11:54 |
| schestowitz | See films like Jurrasic Park, Dr. Evil, "How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb"... | Oct 14 11:55 |
| cubezzz | well there's no hard science fiction in film | Oct 14 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Astrology ftw :-) | Oct 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | There's n "logy' in it ehough | Oct 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: there's Beautiful Mind | Oct 14 11:56 |
| cubezzz | well... Nash was interesting yes | Oct 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Joe Nash was in the BBC | Oct 14 11:56 |
| cubezzz | the movie was OK | Oct 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Oct 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | !google youtube happiness machine nash | Oct 14 11:57 |
| phIRCe | [1] - YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. | http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list%3Fp%3DA0B85B5C05D1CD89 | Oct 14 11:57 |
| phIRCe | [2] - YouTube - Florence And The Machine - Dog Days | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Ds0ZPTFfpO40 | Oct 14 11:57 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Joy Nash's MySpace Blog | | http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.ListAll%26friendID%3D1810967 | Oct 14 11:57 |
| phIRCe | [4] - The Secret Life of Comedian Trav Nash: I Wanna Get Activated | http://zombienash.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-wanna-get-activated.html | Oct 14 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe in a different episode | Oct 14 11:57 |
| cubezzz | another reason why I'm on IRC is to talk to other Linux types | Oct 14 11:57 |
| cubezzz | because around here there's nothing, zip | Oct 14 11:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyyMv2e7giQ | Oct 14 11:58 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - BBC - The Trap (Adam Curtis) 1a .::. Size~: 129.07 KB | Oct 14 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Recommended programme btw | Oct 14 11:58 |
| cubezzz | I'm too old for the movie demographic, there's nothing I want to see | Oct 14 11:58 |
| schestowitz | This one a documentary though, not a reproduction with celebs and love stories | Oct 14 11:59 |
| schestowitz | They always add some love story, even if people like Nash were lonely and living in solitude | Oct 14 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Typical hollywood | Oct 14 12:00 |
| cubezzz | was Nash actually married? | Oct 14 12:00 |
| schestowitz | !google when Nietzsche wept | Oct 14 12:00 |
| phIRCe | [1] - When Nietzsche Wept (2007) | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760188/ | Oct 14 12:00 |
| phIRCe | [2] - When Nietzsche Wept - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Nietzsche_Wept | Oct 14 12:00 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Amazon.com: When Nietzsche Wept: A Novel of Obsession ... | http://www.amazon.com/When-Nietzsche-Wept-Novel-Obsession/dp/0060975504 | Oct 14 12:00 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Rationally Speaking: When Nietzsche wept | http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2006/03/when-nietzsche-wept.html | Oct 14 12:00 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: don't think so. | Oct 14 12:00 |
| schestowitz | He was an odd paranoid guy moving across libraries and stuff | Oct 14 12:01 |
| schestowitz | I think there was a medical diagnosis too | Oct 14 12:01 |
| schestowitz | I studied game theory, so I'm familiar with his work | Oct 14 12:01 |
| schestowitz | H won a Nobel prize for economic actually but only when he was very old. It was for his 50-page thesis | Oct 14 12:02 |
| cubezzz | he was married at one point | Oct 14 12:02 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_nash | Oct 14 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.#Marriage | Oct 14 12:02 |
| phIRCe | Title: John Forbes Nash, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 96.09 KB | Oct 14 12:02 |
| schestowitz | "She admitted Nash to a mental hospital in 1959 for schizophrenia; their son, John Charles Martin Nash, was born soon afterward, but remained nameless for a year because his mother felt that her husband should have a say in the name." | Oct 14 12:03 |
| schestowitz | "The couple renewed their relationship after Nash won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1994. They remarried on June 1, 2001." | Oct 14 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Oh, he's still alive | Oct 14 12:03 |
| cubezzz | I had to visit a friend in a mental hospital once | Oct 14 12:03 |
| cubezzz | not fun | Oct 14 12:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gimpusers.com/news/2009-10-14/compiling-gimp-27-git-ubuntu-904-910.html | Oct 14 12:04 |
| phIRCe | Title: Compiling GIMP 2.7/git-master with Ubuntu 9.04/9.10 - News - gimpusers.com .::. Size~: 21.82 KB | Oct 14 12:04 |
| schestowitz | You're friends with SteveB? | Oct 14 12:04 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Oct 14 12:05 |
| cubezzz | but this guy actually calls me from the hospital and says "get them to let me out" | Oct 14 12:05 |
| schestowitz | "Michael Meeks posted an blog entry showing other projects' line count next to KDE's while asking "the real question is not 'is KDE valuable' - of course it is; but how does it compare[?]" In a nicely concise table he shows that Ohloh pegs KDE at 5.5 million lines of code with GNOME at 15.7, Linux at 7.9 and OpenOffice at 8.5 respectively. That makes KDE's code base look smaller in comparison to these other projects, doesn't it?" | Oct 14 12:06 |
| schestowitz | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/10/ah-stats.html | Oct 14 12:06 |
| phIRCe | Title: aseigo: ah, stats .::. Size~: 84.68 KB | Oct 14 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Core of kde is lean | Oct 14 12:06 |
| cubezzz | then later I find out he definitely needed to be in the mental hospital | Oct 14 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [12:05] <cubezzz> but this guy actually calls me from the hospital and says "get them to let me out" | Oct 14 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Reminds me of a story | Oct 14 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Let me see if I can find the video | Oct 14 12:06 |
| schestowitz | It's about a group that pretended to be mental issued-inflicted | Oct 14 12:06 |
| schestowitz | And they got stuck in the hospital | Oct 14 12:07 |
| cubezzz | that sounds messed up | Oct 14 12:07 |
| schestowitz | They wanted to show that psychiatric treatment was a scam | Oct 14 12:07 |
| schestowitz | That they could not tell apart insane from faker | Oct 14 12:07 |
| schestowitz | I think it's in the above series from the BBC | Oct 14 12:07 |
| cubezzz | right, I'm sure that would be almost impossible | Oct 14 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Damn. I can't remember what they called themslves | Oct 14 12:08 |
| cubezzz | I've seen all the pills they made him take, it was crazy | Oct 14 12:08 |
| schestowitz | !google psychiatric fake experiments us stuck | Oct 14 12:08 |
| phIRCe | [1] - EXCLUSIVE: CIA Experiments on U.S. Soldiers Linked to Torture ... | http://pubrecord.org/torture/4607/research-torture-charges-human/ | Oct 14 12:08 |
| phIRCe | [2] - YouTube - The Birth of modern Psychiatry: Part 2 of 4 | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DpGryxENuLLI | Oct 14 12:08 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Soviet (Russian) and American psychiatric abuses | http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/2002-December/053184.html | Oct 14 12:08 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Powell's Books - Review-a-Day - Opening Skinner's Box : Great ... | http://www.powells.com/review/2004_05_28.html | Oct 14 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh!! | Oct 14 12:08 |
| schestowitz | That's the one | Oct 14 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [2] | Oct 14 12:09 |
| schestowitz | "This clip shows how the Rosenhan experiment undermined American Psychiatry and how the Psychiatric establishment tried to find an objective way to measure mental illness, by using objective methods like computers and checklists. These new diagnostic techniques intentionally measured only surface symptoms and asked nothing about the patients life or environment. From these techniques came mental diseases that we all know today like | Oct 14 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Attention deficit disorder (ADD) and Obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD)." | Oct 14 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Watch it | Oct 14 12:09 |
| cubezzz | I don't think Nash was electro-shocked like they showed in the movie | Oct 14 12:09 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, I heard an interesting statistic about homeless people | Oct 14 12:10 |
| schestowitz | It starts around here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McPnMQ31W_k&feature=related#t=120 | Oct 14 12:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - The Birth of modern Psychiatry: Part 1 of 4 .::. Size~: 133.17 KB | Oct 14 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Very interesting | Oct 14 12:10 |
| cubezzz | studies have shown that about 50% of them had some head injury at some point in their life | Oct 14 12:10 |
| schestowitz | They couldn't get out | Oct 14 12:10 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: PLEASE watch the above. It's short | Oct 14 12:11 |
| schestowitz | You'll see what I mean | Oct 14 12:11 |
| cubezzz | which one? | Oct 14 12:11 |
| schestowitz | The one with #t=120 | Oct 14 12:12 |
| schestowitz | It starts earlier. I watched it in the past. Gotta loive Google for making it easy to even find videos, not text (based on descriptions or anchor text | Oct 14 12:12 |
| schestowitz | I think I watched it when learning about how the CIA used drugs as weapons of war | Oct 14 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Basically, sedating people and program them to carry out objectives unconciously | Oct 14 12:13 |
| cubezzz | I've seen what a mental hospital is like and some of the people there seemed completely normal | Oct 14 12:13 |
| schestowitz | They had a project name for it and it got unclassified many decades latee | Oct 14 12:13 |
| schestowitz | !google youtube cia program individuals | Oct 14 12:13 |
| phIRCe | [1] - YouTube - CIA Program Revealed: Ed Shultz w/ Leahy, Rice, Holt | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dz7MW5aYv4VM | Oct 14 12:13 |
| phIRCe | [2] - YouTube - C-SPAN Interview on CIA Program (Part 2) | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DbNu9t6ywHn4 | Oct 14 12:13 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Video - Liz Cheney Fires Back Over Reports Her Father Hid CIA ... | http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/liz_cheney_fires_back_over_reports_her_father_hid_cia/ | Oct 14 12:13 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com » Lawmaker won't deny secret CIA ... | http://www.prisonplanet.com/lawmaker-won%25E2%2580%2599t-deny-secret-cia-program-was-%25E2%2580%2598cheney-assassination-ring%25E2%2580%2599.html | Oct 14 12:13 |
| schestowitz | The Russian are said to have experimented with s/t similar | Oct 14 12:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Lantronix-XPort-Pro/ < Cute. | Oct 14 12:14 |
| cubezzz | I have no doubt ADD exists | Oct 14 12:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: World's smallest Linux networking server? - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 62.08 KB | Oct 14 12:14 |
| cubezzz | well there's probably some weird secret stuff but thankfully that's outside of my experience | Oct 14 12:15 |
| cubezzz | 8 megs of ram? | Oct 14 12:17 |
| cubezzz | even my old zaurus has more ram than that | Oct 14 12:17 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/356648/ | Oct 14 12:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: Stable kernel updates 2.6.27.37 and 2.6.31.4 [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 5.63 KB | Oct 14 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Turns out to be a busy day today | Oct 14 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Work in the evening, people coming over to work around the house, then the radio show.... | Oct 14 12:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7573/1.html | Oct 14 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Not an issue with stores, an issue with proprietary s/w | Oct 14 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Companies could deliver FOSS to phones for a fee | Oct 14 12:21 |
| schestowitz | But then modfying it and sharing won't work | Oct 14 12:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/ubuntuone-gets-rubbish-new-icon.html | Oct 14 12:23 |
| phIRCe | Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: UbuntuOne Gets A (Rubbish) New Icon .::. Size~: 145.86 KB | Oct 14 12:23 |
| schestowitz | ChromeOS to be based on Debian http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/chromeos-to-be-based-on-ubuntu.html | Oct 14 12:25 |
| phIRCe | Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: ChromeOS to be based on Debian .::. Size~: 145.41 KB | Oct 14 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Google has a good track record of poaching Microsoft customers | Oct 14 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | Funny how a couple of guys counting links to make a search engine are now making OSes for phones and computers... only a decade later. | Oct 14 12:26 |
| schestowitz | !google sergey brin uses linux | Oct 14 12:26 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Sergey Brin: Use of Google Apps could shape tech policy [video ... | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/%3Fp%3D24390 | Oct 14 12:26 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Linux Gazette: Sergey Brin | http://linuxgazette.net/issue59/correa.html | Oct 14 12:26 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Interview with Google's Sergey Brin | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4196 | Oct 14 12:26 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Liveblog: Google CEO Eric Schmidt and Co-Founder Sergey Brin Take ... | http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20091007/live-from-new-york-google-cofounder-sergey-brin-meets-the-press/ | Oct 14 12:26 |
| trmanco | http://www.smokin-guns.net/ | Oct 14 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/463-smokin-guns | Oct 14 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: have you played it yet? | Oct 14 12:44 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 14 12:44 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: what time are you on twit.tv? | Oct 14 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Night | Oct 14 12:44 |
| schestowitz | DOn't know... I'd check later | Oct 14 12:45 |
| schestowitz | I wonder why our site didn't serve last night | Oct 14 12:45 |
| schestowitz | I took a little nap on the desktop until it was sorted out | Oct 14 12:45 |
| schestowitz | IIRC tessier said something about the network | Oct 14 12:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/101309-oracle-impresses-with-sheer-technology.html?fsrc=rss-linux-news ""My development organization this year shipped 3,000 software products, 190 of them new," Kurian said. There were 50 major releases, more than 17,540 new features and 80 million hours spent on quality assurance, he said." | Oct 14 12:47 |
| phIRCe | Title: Oracle impresses with sheer technology volume - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 35.89 KB | Oct 14 12:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/101309-fate-of-some-sun-technologies.html?fsrc=rss-linux-news | Oct 14 12:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: Fate of some Sun technologies still up in the air - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 36.11 KB | Oct 14 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Arrgh... "Open Source: The Way, Not The Goal – Open Source Blog – InformationWeek – I love it, open source is not a business model it’s a software development methodology. It’s a means to an end." http://socializedsoftware.com/2009/10/08/cool-links-for-october-8th/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=cool-links-for-october-8th | Oct 14 12:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: Cool Links for October 8th | Socialized Software .::. Size~: 52.57 KB | Oct 14 12:51 |
| schestowitz | That's Microsoft's party line, attempts to dilute and ruin "open source" | Oct 14 12:52 |
| schestowitz | he fell for it | Oct 14 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Watch the picture of SteveB here: http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091012/danger-will-robinson-do-not-approach-the-sidekick/ | Oct 14 12:55 |
| phIRCe | Title: T-Mobile Suspends Sidekick Sales Following Microsoft/Danger User Data Loss | John Paczkowski | Digital Daily | AllThingsD .::. Size~: 59.71 KB | Oct 14 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | Gangster Group excludes iPhone. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139301/Symbian_Android_will_be_top_smartphone_OSes_in_12_Gartner_reiterates | Oct 14 13:06 |
| phIRCe | Title: Symbian, Android will be top smartphone OSes in '12, Gartner reiterates .::. Size~: 131.41 KB | Oct 14 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Sage runs Linux/oracle: http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2251150/sage-targets-upper-mid-tier-erp | Oct 14 13:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Apple-Snow-Leopard-Data-Loss,8843.html | Oct 14 13:10 |
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| satipera | https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems_%22Project_Peter%22_targets_Oracle_to_MySQL_migrations_to_boost_sales | Oct 14 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Netbooks-Face-Notebook-Competition/story.xhtml?story_id=0310036D3Q9E | Oct 14 13:35 |
| phIRCe | Title: NewsFactor Network | Netbooks Facing Competition from Cheaper Notebooks .::. Size~: 60.72 KB | Oct 14 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Margins war is bad for Windows | Oct 14 13:35 |
| schestowitz | "Reader and embedded Linux developer, S Macdonald, asked: "How about companies not wanting to be tied to a single supplier of their computer technology? Can't really get competing bids from Apple against Apple." http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39568555,00.htm | Oct 14 13:38 |
| phIRCe | Title: 'A full-scale switch to Macs is laughable' - Software - Breaking Business and Technology News at silicon.com .::. Size~: 72.87 KB | Oct 14 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | "She works as a Linux system administrator for Rimuhosting.com fixing servers and anything Linux related. Previously she worked as a Sysadmin for an Ecommerce website company and ran debian.co.nz (now nzlinux.com) Linux mirror." http://www.3news.co.nz/Google-Wave-what-is-it-and-whats-all-the-fuss/tabid/1172/articleID/125404/cat/409/Default.aspx | Oct 14 13:41 |
| schestowitz | hi, Omar87 | Oct 14 13:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, howdy. | Oct 14 13:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] OggCamp getting scary close! http://bit.ly/o0xol Our advert in Linux Format! Rock on! | Oct 14 14:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Southern California #Linux Expo (SCALE) 2009 is Coming http://bit.ly/2VUfno #scale | Oct 14 14:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox on #GNU #Linux to Include #Gyroscope Support http://ur1.ca/dl1m | Oct 14 14:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Moving from #Windows to #GNU #Linux Gradually Througn Duality http://ur1.ca/dl20 http://ur1.ca/dl21 | Oct 14 14:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Gets Recognised as Secure Alternative to #Windows http://ur1.ca/dl2c | Oct 14 14:17 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Small Businesses Should Bank Securely – And That Means Linux: WashPo | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 73.86 KB | Oct 14 14:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Easeus Delivers #Linux #LiveCD http://bit.ly/2jx8SM | Oct 14 14:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Avaya Uses #GNU #Linux on Servers http://bit.ly/PTwzp | Oct 14 14:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WorldofGoo Embraces New Business Model http://ur1.ca/dl3d http://ur1.ca/dl3f | Oct 14 14:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Smokin' Guns Brings Hot #Gaming to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/bXmtr | Oct 14 14:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Contributors Rising, Nokia Offers Support http://ur1.ca/dl40 http://ur1.ca/dl41 http://ur1.ca/dl42 | Oct 14 14:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dreamlinux 4.0 XFCE Edition Reaches Alpha http://ur1.ca/dl44 #gnu #linux | Oct 14 14:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Review of #Absolute #Linux 13.0.2 http://bit.ly/Mntkx #gnu | Oct 14 14:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010 Targets Small Portables http://bit.ly/80l38 #gnu #linux | Oct 14 14:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Gains Empathy and Prepares for Excellent Release http://ur1.ca/dl4a http://ur1.ca/dl4b | Oct 14 14:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux Works Well, #Google 's Distro of Choice for Desktop http://ur1.ca/dl54 http://ur1.ca/dl55 | Oct 14 14:47 | |
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| phIRCe | Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: ChromeOS to be based on Debian .::. Size~: 145.41 KB | Oct 14 14:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Asus and #Garmin Put Linux on Devices (Yes, Asus) http://bit.ly/16hXOs | Oct 14 14:49 | |
| phIRCe | Title: New Smartphones of Asus and Garmin Alliance | Latest News From Around the World .::. Size~: 32.25 KB | Oct 14 14:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World's Tiniest #Server of Its Kind Runs #Linux http://ur1.ca/dl5h http://ur1.ca/dl5j http://ur1.ca/dl5k | Oct 14 14:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EBooks Get #FreeSoftware to Read Good Books Without the bad #DRM http://lwn.net/Articles/354714/ | Oct 14 14:52 | |
| phIRCe | Title: OpenInkpot: free software for e-book readers [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 24.61 KB | Oct 14 14:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Home Designer Chooses #Linux , #Novatel Does Too http://ur1.ca/dl5o http://ur1.ca/dl5s | Oct 14 14:54 | |
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| phIRCe | Title: Novatel Readies Next-Gen MiFi Hot Spot - 2009-10-12 02:00:00 EDT | TWICE .::. Size~: 91.56 KB | Oct 14 14:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hora de ouvir umas musicas no Blip.fm, mas primeira tenho que tratar de umas coisas :-P | Oct 14 14:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer Sub-notebooks with #Linux Are Coming Shortly http://ur1.ca/dl5y | Oct 14 14:58 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Acer's Android netbook due this quarter - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 34.82 KB | Oct 14 14:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google #ChromeOS Build Leaks, Sort of http://ur1.ca/dl61 http://ur1.ca/dl62 | Oct 14 14:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ontario Can Save Hundreds of Millions (CAD) with #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/dl67 | Oct 14 15:01 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot News Story | Open Source Could Have Saved Ontario Hundreds of Millions .::. Size~: 177.65 KB | Oct 14 15:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FSF: Car Analogy Used to Explain Why Non-Free Software Makes no Sense http://www.fsf.org/blogs/the-car-analogy | Oct 14 15:02 | |
| phIRCe | Title: The Car Analogy - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 30.51 KB | Oct 14 15:02 |
| oiaohm | http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62058636,00.htm Nice one making out MS has 5 years before Linux is ready. | Oct 14 15:04 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Grows in #Belgium http://bit.ly/4BMExU | Oct 14 15:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Study Shows How Openness Works for Business http://ur1.ca/dl78 | Oct 14 15:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] India Under Pressure to Ban Skype http://bit.ly/3AmWME | Oct 14 15:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US Hides Records of Legalised Bribespersons (aka "Lobbyists") http://ur1.ca/dl7d | Oct 14 15:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Mark'Oh - United (official video)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~eta37 | Oct 14 15:17 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 15:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Man Claims #IntellectualMonopoly on the Term "Smackdown" http://ur1.ca/dl7t | Oct 14 15:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Armin Van Buuren - Fine Without You Feat Jennifer Rene" ♫ http://blip.fm/~eta9j | Oct 14 15:20 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 15:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ubuntu logo not redistributable by.. er.. Ubuntu? Oops! Ubuntu bug 451263 http://bit.ly/2wMZEs :) | Oct 14 15:21 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Bug #451263 in ubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu): “Ubuntu logo is not redistributable” .::. Size~: 84.4 KB | Oct 14 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu was sending harassment letters (legalese type) to Ubuntu Satanic Edition (a parody site of Ubuntu Christian/Musim, who did not get harassed) | Oct 14 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if jono could care to comment on why exactly that was the case | Oct 14 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | *Muslim | Oct 14 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | I feel that they were just picking who to bully based on the perceived reaction of those religious people | Oct 14 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Check out Satanic Editions serving location DaemonFC | Oct 14 15:29 |
| oiaohm | I don't think Ubuntu can do much. | Oct 14 15:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Michael Mind - Love's Gonna Get You (Official Video HQ)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~etav3 | Oct 14 15:32 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 15:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Martin Roth & Alex Bartlett - Off The World (Gareth Emery rmx)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~etb0y | Oct 14 15:35 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 15:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Michael Feiner - must be the music (extended mix)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~etbbs | Oct 14 15:41 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 15:41 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 14 15:51 |
| trmanco | http://blip.fm/~etav3 | Oct 14 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7DdWmWUa_8 | Oct 14 15:52 |
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| trmanco | http://arstecnica.com | Oct 14 15:53 |
| trmanco | oops | Oct 14 15:53 |
| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/ | Oct 14 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Oct 14 15:54 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 14 15:57 |
| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/ | Oct 14 15:57 |
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| trmanco | ok | Oct 14 15:57 |
| trmanco | I think I've fixed the notice | Oct 14 15:58 |
| trmanco | http://google.com | Oct 14 15:58 |
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| DaemonFC | I need to forward all my old Yahoo emails to my gmail and hotmail | Oct 14 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | the amount of time Yahoo forces you to wait for Norton to scan your attachments is unreasonable | Oct 14 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | and pictures can't have viruses anyway | Oct 14 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's just an excuse for a Norton ad | Oct 14 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Norton = Worthless resource hog | Oct 14 16:02 |
| trmanco | but pictures can have malicious code | Oct 14 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | riiiiight | Oct 14 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen it happen | Oct 14 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | maybe if they're encapsulated in something | Oct 14 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | like those MP3 albums that make you run a spyware installer to unpack them | Oct 14 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | I came across one in search of a rare album once | Oct 14 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | used 7zip to just unpack the mp3s without the spyware | Oct 14 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | most people are retarded | Oct 14 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | the technician doing my EEG was telling me how he sent money to a rogue antivirus outfit that had hosed his system with ransomware | Oct 14 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I tried my best to educate him a little without being condescending or anything | Oct 14 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | but it is really telling that even educated/intelligent people fall for that | Oct 14 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | education and intelligence are no substitute for common sense | Oct 14 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | all three are important, but some people just seem to have an overabundance of one or two with a deficiency of the rest | Oct 14 16:10 |
| schestowitz | This talk is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUukjX-Nee0&feature=related | Oct 14 16:12 |
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| DaemonFC | so I suggested to him how to get his money back, and if he couldn't, that he should report the card stolen before they come back for more | Oct 14 16:12 |
| schestowitz | He's the polar opposite | Oct 14 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | and kind of clued him in on how these people operate | Oct 14 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Peons are hard to tame :-) | Oct 14 16:13 |
| schestowitz | They have families and wage | Oct 14 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | I've had to report a card stolen because Microsoft wouldn't stop billing me before | Oct 14 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | I had XBOX Live (on the original XBOX) and a premium Hotmail account while they had those | Oct 14 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | long story, but I guess I didn't learn the lesson cause I had another billing dispute on XBOX 360 Live | Oct 14 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | and ended up having to talk to their XBOX Live division director | Oct 14 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | he got it worked out, refunded my money, gave me a year of XBOX Live Gold, and three free video game coupons | Oct 14 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | so I guess it got resolved, but you should never, as a customer, have to talk to upper management of a company for something stupid like this | Oct 14 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's a sign of a bad management structure | Oct 14 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | while I had his ear I told him that it was impossible to talk to the outsourced tech support | Oct 14 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | thick accent, don't understand you | Oct 14 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think enough people must have had the same complaint cause their tech support is all in the US and Canada now if you call in from around here | Oct 14 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | unless you call real late at night | Oct 14 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | then you may get someone in India | Oct 14 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | the last console I really thought was neat was the Sega Dreamcast | Oct 14 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | The Microsoft/Sony duopoly is not competing to raise the bar, they're conspiring to fix prices and blame the customer for problems brought on by bad quality control | Oct 14 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft blamed the customers for their overheating XBOX 360 for over two and a half years before admitting that it was a manufacturing defect all along and that any console sold to that point would fail | Oct 14 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | Sony made customers of their Playstation 2 pay them $150 + shipping to replace the defective laser | Oct 14 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a new trick, MS support was trying to play gotcha games with me, such as "Do you have the console in confined area?" "Do you have the console placed on thick carpeting?" | Oct 14 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | etc | Oct 14 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Do you figure there will be a third party come along with a better deal for console gaming? | Oct 14 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | gamers spend an insane amount of money, so there is money to be made | Oct 14 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think that billions of dollars getting thrown around would bring along more than two competitors | Oct 14 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | my new computer gets here today, I'll probably just start buying mainly PC games | Oct 14 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | this system should handle everything out now and probably another year or more | Oct 14 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | save some $$$ getting all the stuff my old system couldn't handle at cut prices | Oct 14 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm not sure that anyone should really be fussing about Intel's drivers for their integrated GPU "cheating" on performance tests | Oct 14 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | their reply is perfectly feasible | Oct 14 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | that it does that cause it can offload that kind of work onto the CPU cores and it will do it for most popular video games too | Oct 14 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | if the system has resources, the driver should find them and use them, and that benchmark suite should find a way to figure that in | Oct 14 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | why leave a couple CPU cores idling when you can grab them and use them to help out the GPU a little? | Oct 14 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It would be like the manager having a couple employees call in sick, but having a couple more employees around the worksite more than he needs in their areas | Oct 14 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | so does he pay them to stand there or tell them to go do what they can in the area with no coverage even though they aren't normally used for the tasks there? | Oct 14 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen this Intel driver in action, but I'd lean towards calling it a feature, not cheating, based on what I've heard | Oct 14 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | CPUs as we know them are not going to get much faster in the next 10 years, certainly nothing like what we've seen in the last 10 years | Oct 14 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | GPUs will get faster at a much quicker rate than CPUs | Oct 14 16:40 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, my letter is in the paper today | Oct 14 16:45 |
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| DaemonFC | wonder if it'll get any replies | Oct 14 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | (the one saying the Republicans need to quit stalling out healthcare reform and do something for the people they represent) | Oct 14 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | I may vote for (R) Dick Lugar when he's up for re-election, he's pledged support for the hate crimes bill and the employer non discrimination act | Oct 14 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | he may vote for the healthcare bill | Oct 14 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | that's what my vote hinges on | Oct 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/10/right-click-movies-to-download.html | Oct 14 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: which paper? | Oct 14 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | just the local one | Oct 14 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | the Huntington Herald-Press | Oct 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz | So many papers are Heralds and Times | Oct 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz | It's always complicated to find their sources of influence and history | Oct 14 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | this is a pretty heavily Republican town, but I volunteered to canvass for Obama here before the election | Oct 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz | NYT is said to be most influential, sitll | Oct 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Obama is the lesser of the two problems | Oct 14 16:53 |
| schestowitz | But he's not the solution | Oct 14 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | and the area I canvassed that they said "Do't bother with" went from 25% Kerry 75% Bush in 200 to 51% Obama 49% McCain last year | Oct 14 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Your government remains the shadow cast by funders of the PR campaigns of major parties | Oct 14 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | we still lost the county overall, but it didn't matter since we just needed a simple majority for the state | Oct 14 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | and we got that by 29,800 votes out of about 3 million | Oct 14 16:53 |
| schestowitz | "We" | Oct 14 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Popular votes are bizarre | Oct 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Gore ought to have been elected | Oct 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | States get treated like people | Oct 14 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | the US system awards all of a state's electors based on the popular vote of that state, in most states | Oct 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Election of voters | Oct 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | You vote for who will vote :-) | Oct 14 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | Maine and Nebraska go by Congressional districts | Oct 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Insane! | Oct 14 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, but they are pledged to vote for that party candidate | Oct 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | States get treated like people | Oct 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | And corporations too | Oct 14 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's never been enough faithless electors to sway an election | Oct 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | They receive rights like "Free speech" as though they are living people | Oct 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | This too is insane | Oct 14 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | and most states invalidate faithless votes anyway | Oct 14 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana is one of them | Oct 14 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | if I was an elector and didn't vote for the candidate I had promised to, my vote would be invalidated, and one of the backup electors would vote instead | Oct 14 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, there's arguments to keep it, and to get rid of it | Oct 14 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in favor of getting rid of it | Oct 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Vote for it :-) | Oct 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Cyclic | Oct 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Vote to change voting | Oct 14 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, US senators were not supposed to be elected by voters either | Oct 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Demoncracy was cracked | Oct 14 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | that was changed by a constitutional amendment in 1916 I believe | Oct 14 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Laws changed from within | Oct 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Before Great Depression | Oct 14 16:58 |
| schestowitz | When business went out of control; | Oct 14 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | US senators were supposed to be elected by state legislature | Oct 14 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Fed shoved in in 1913/14 | Oct 14 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | the idea was that the senate was not supposed to be directly exposed to populist sentiment | Oct 14 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | the house of representatives was | Oct 14 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Woman arrested for Facebook poke http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558566/woman-arrested-facebook-poke | Oct 14 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's also why representatives only get two years while senators get six | Oct 14 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Nowadays elections are up for sale | Oct 14 16:59 |
| schestowitz | With lobbyists and all too | Oct 14 16:59 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people are kept dumb about it | Oct 14 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | does the UK do anything to stop lobbyists? | Oct 14 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | or do they buy laws there too? | Oct 14 16:59 |
| schestowitz | In isolation they watch the tube and assume it's all there is | Oct 14 16:59 |
| schestowitz | But I digress. | Oct 14 16:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: registry | Oct 14 17:00 |
| schestowitz | But it's not obeyed | Oct 14 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana has that at state level | Oct 14 17:00 |
| schestowitz | The lobbyists still run rampant | Oct 14 17:00 |
| schestowitz | !google register lobbyists registry | Oct 14 17:00 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Lobbyist Registry - Ministry of Attorney General - Province of ... | http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/lra/ | Oct 14 17:00 |
| phIRCe | [2] - City of Toronto: Office of the Lobbyist Registrar | http://www.toronto.ca/lobbying/ | Oct 14 17:00 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Office of the Commissioner of Lobbying of Canada - Homepage - Home | http://www.ocl-cal.gc.ca/epic/site/lobbyist-lobbyiste1.nsf/en/home | Oct 14 17:00 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Canada, Government & Public Sector, Alberta´s New Lobbyists Act ... | http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp%3Farticleid%3D87420 | Oct 14 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | and caps on what the lobyists can offer officials | Oct 14 17:00 |
| schestowitz | !google register lobbyists registry uk | Oct 14 17:00 |
| phIRCe | [1] - EUobserver / EU lobbying registry has 'no real benefit' | http://euobserver.com/9/27354 | Oct 14 17:00 |
| phIRCe | [2] - EUobserver / Irish cheerleaders mistake lobby registry for grant ... | http://euobserver.com/9/27644 | Oct 14 17:00 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Registry for Lobbyists Is Greeted Coolly | http://www.spinwatch.org.uk/latest-news-mainmenu-10/261-lobbying/5067-registry-for-lobbyists-is-greeted-coolly | Oct 14 17:00 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Registratie EU-lobbyisten 'niet zinvol' (en) - Europa NU | http://www.parlement.com/9353000/1/j9vvh6nf08temv0/vi1hqvybw3tm%3Fctx%3Dvhiss2awptzd | Oct 14 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | they're pretty much limited to things like dinners and such | Oct 14 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I have one in BN too | Oct 14 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | less outright corruption in our state legislature since that | Oct 14 17:01 |
| schestowitz | !google boycottnovell europe lobbying act | Oct 14 17:01 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Jonathan Zuck and ACT: What is It Anyway? | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/27/primer-jonathan-zuck-and-act/ | Oct 14 17:01 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Microsoft Unleashes Its Paid Guns to Fight European Regulators ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/22/ms-act-to-fight-european-regulators/ | Oct 14 17:01 |
| phIRCe | [3] - The Curious Case of Boycott Novell | Armchair Theorist | http://armchairtheorist.com/2009/07/21/the-curious-case-of-boycott-novell/ | Oct 14 17:01 |
| phIRCe | [4] - European Commission Still Protects Microsoft Lobbyists | fsdaily ... | http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/European_Commission_Still_Protects_Microsoft_Lobbyists | Oct 14 17:01 |
| schestowitz | That's not it... | Oct 14 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | you still hear of someone taking bribes occasionally, but that's a crime and they're dealt with | Oct 14 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I have the records from the EC. Hold on... | Oct 14 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | only happened a couple times since I've been alive | Oct 14 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/05/microsoft-lobby-in-europe/ | Oct 14 17:02 |
| phIRCe | Title: Details of Microsofts Lobbying in Europe | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.22 KB | Oct 14 17:02 |
| schestowitz | They make it inaccessible except via a form | Oct 14 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | there's less corruption in state and local politics mostly cause the companies get more bang for their buck buying federal officials | Oct 14 17:02 |
| schestowitz | So it's not visible to search engines | Oct 14 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I 'fixed' it for them :-) | Oct 14 17:02 |
| schestowitz | !google gates- microsoft- hired lobbyists | Oct 14 17:03 |
| phIRCe | [1] - The Great Microsoft Lobbying Swindle - Jacob Weisberg - Slate Magazine | http://www.slate.com/id/1005085/ | Oct 14 17:03 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Noted: The Microsoft-Abramoff Connection | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/22/microsoft-gates-abramoff-connection/ | Oct 14 17:03 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Microsoft's secret 'screw Google' meetings in D.C. | http://digg.com/tech_news/Microsoft_s_secret_screw_Google_meetings_in_D_C | Oct 14 17:03 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Essay on Technology. College Papers, Research Papers on William ... | http://www.dreamessays.com/customessays/Technology/13792.htm | Oct 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Individual names of Gates * MSFT lobbysists: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/21/list-microsoft-and-gates-lobbyists/ | Oct 14 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Avoid Windows for online banking http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558597/avoid-windows-online-banking | Oct 14 17:05 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Technical_Evangelists | Oct 14 17:05 |
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| DaemonFC | I'd rather boot off a USB stick | Oct 14 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | CDs are painfully slow | Oct 14 17:08 |
| schestowitz | "A survey of 16 to 24 year olds has found that 75% of them feel they "couldn't live" without the internet." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8305731.stm | Oct 14 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technology/newsid_10000000/newsid_10002300/10002357.stm | Oct 14 17:12 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Did anyone tell them that for most of the ~50,000 years of modern humans, the internet hasn't existed? | Oct 14 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Quiet PCs | Oct 14 17:12 |
| schestowitz | 50k? | Oct 14 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Where's this number from? | Oct 14 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | hell if I know | Oct 14 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | I thought it might have significance | Oct 14 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard everything from 50,000 to 300,000 | Oct 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Our specifies is said to have had about a million generations | Oct 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | That's just one specifies, i.e. almost no evolution | Oct 14 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | so I doubt anyone knows with any reasonable accuracy | Oct 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | *species | Oct 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm used to the 150,000 number | Oct 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | But it's "just a theory" | Oct 14 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Like the theory that we appeared like "POOF!" 6k years ago | Oct 14 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia says that mitochondrial DNA and fossil evidence may suggest 200,000 | Oct 14 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Then God put the dinosaurs deep in the ground "to test our faith" | Oct 14 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like we "just" appeared, evolution doesn't work that way | Oct 14 17:14 |
| schestowitz | I head 350,000, that's the longest | Oct 14 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Christians like to mock evolution by asking how an ape gave birth to a human | Oct 14 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Dinosaurs lives 1000 (!!!) time longer before humans even existed | Oct 14 17:15 |
| schestowitz | 350m | Oct 14 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're just showing their own ignorance of the fundamentals of evolution | Oct 14 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | then they ask where all the things that evolved in the mean time went | Oct 14 17:16 |
| schestowitz | It helps when people fit the timeline to 24 hours on a clock | Oct 14 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | easy, we interbred or killed them | Oct 14 17:16 |
| schestowitz | To give some indication of scales | Oct 14 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | or both | Oct 14 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's been proven that humans still carry some Neanderthal genes | Oct 14 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [17:15] <DaemonFC> Christians like to mock evolution by asking how an ape gave birth to a human | Oct 14 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | which proves that we interbred with them | Oct 14 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I wonder the same thing when people say it | Oct 14 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [joke] | Oct 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not just neaderthal genes | Oct 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | We have DNA pattens adentical to trees | Oct 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | *identical | Oct 14 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | and then they like to ask why we stopped evolving | Oct 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | We did? | Oct 14 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | we haven't, it just works on a scale longer than we'll be alive to see | Oct 14 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | plus some hundreds of thousands of years | Oct 14 17:18 |
| schestowitz | "Hey yo, man, we'll see in like 20 years of this evolution thingie works" | Oct 14 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | people aren't good at conceiving of things that take longer than they will be alive to happen | Oct 14 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Harder than time | Oct 14 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Space we can grasp better than time | Oct 14 17:19 |
| schestowitz | We think in terms of yesterday | Oct 14 17:19 |
| schestowitz | And we can multiple things for magnitude | Oct 14 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | as people age, they become less able to adapt themselves to the world around them | Oct 14 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Like saying, there are more stars than grains of sand in the whole of Earth | Oct 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | We can visualise it, sort of | Oct 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Or showing the size of the largest known planets | Oct 14 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | they instead try to adapt their immediate surroundings to what they've become used to | Oct 14 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | example, my mother has a mental block when it comes to computers | Oct 14 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | hates using them, won't even try | Oct 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Shame? | Oct 14 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | if you show her how to turn it on, log in, open up the browser, and check her email, she can't remember how to do it again | Oct 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Some are embarrassed to use them | Oct 14 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's not can't as much as won't | Oct 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | And the longer they avoid it for, the worse it becomes because it's "not their sport" | Oct 14 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | she's not stupid, she's a nurse, she makes good money, she's got skill where she needs to to survive | Oct 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Methods | Oct 14 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | she just does not like modern technology | Oct 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz | ANd the way the brain memorises them | Oct 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz | That's what needs to be done in education | Oct 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Methods, not memoty | Oct 14 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | anything that wasn't around in the late 80s, early 90s, she doesn't want in her house | Oct 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Patterns, not tools | Oct 14 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | I gave her a computer and she told my brother to take it in his room and keep it there | Oct 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz | "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." --Albert Einstein | Oct 14 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't understand it. She's not stupid, she doesn't have a learning disorder, she prevents herself from using computers | Oct 14 17:23 |
| schestowitz | "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." --Albert Einstein | Oct 14 17:23 |
| schestowitz | He refers to indoctrination as "education" | Oct 14 17:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: do you remember history from school? | Oct 14 17:24 |
| schestowitz | To the level of names and years? | Oct 14 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft ecosystems has seemingly hijacked the virtualisation industry. Appalling. | Oct 14 17:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: just practice the mental faculties that don't 'expire' | Oct 14 17:26 |
| schestowitz | If you can look it up or write it down, you should not remember it | Oct 14 17:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/14/microsoft_sidekick_t_mobile_danger_fallout/ | Oct 14 17:28 |
| schestowitz | "Sidekick maker Danger was bought by Microsoft in 2008, since when its servers and backup devices have operated at Redmond data centres." | Oct 14 17:28 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I hope if I ever get senile that someone will shoot me | Oct 14 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | I've worked as a CNA/HHA and seen some people that were pretty far gone | Oct 14 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Better before that | Oct 14 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | I don't ever want to be like that | Oct 14 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise people remember you as a senile :-) | Oct 14 17:30 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, a huge chunk of the bruise of my right arm is turning back to healthy skin | Oct 14 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | nearly half of it | Oct 14 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | even the dark parts are getting lighter | Oct 14 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | these might be more or less gone by next Wednesday | Oct 14 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | the pain I woke up with only lasted about an hour this morning | Oct 14 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | it was lasting all day, then about 4-5 hours, then 2-3 | Oct 14 17:36 |
| shreddar | What happend? | Oct 14 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar, seizures last month, arms bruised all over from muscle tensions | Oct 14 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | went to the chiropractor yesterday, he fixed my neck and back problems | Oct 14 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | the thinking based on everything they've seen is currently that high blood pressure perhaps along with the sinusitis put too much pressure on my brain and basically shorted it out | Oct 14 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's the way I took it anyway | Oct 14 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | antibiotics killed the sinus infection and I'm on lisinopril (spelling?) for the blood pressure, it's generic Zestril | Oct 14 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | my dad has been on Zestril for the better part of 20 years | Oct 14 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | used to be non generic only | Oct 14 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | $4 a bottle now, but when he went on it, it was over $200 | Oct 14 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | and thank god he had insurance and good employment otherwise it may have gone untreated and he'd be dead by now | Oct 14 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just glad it's a cheap generic now cause I have no insurance | Oct 14 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | interesting medicine though, they make it out of snake venom | Oct 14 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | it relaxes your blood vessels and lowers the blood pressure that way | Oct 14 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | much less strain on veins, arteries, kidneys, and your heart and brain of course | Oct 14 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | so I can view the seizures as a good thing in a perverse way | Oct 14 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | cause they may have been a 20 year warning before I died of a heart attack | Oct 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=71711 | Oct 14 17:42 |
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| shreddar | Well, I hope you get that under control. | Oct 14 17:42 |
| shreddar | The seizures I mean. | Oct 14 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | the seizures seem to have been brought on as a symptom of the real problem (high blood pressure/hypertension) | Oct 14 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | hypertension causes a little damage every day over years until you have internal organ failure such as a heart attack, or your blood vessels rupture | Oct 14 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | so it's not something to take lightly | Oct 14 17:44 |
| shreddar | Oh, so your afraid of a future heart attack then. | Oct 14 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | if they tell you to take pills, you better just ask how many and when | Oct 14 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | or worse | Oct 14 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | like I said, it causes irreparable damage a little at a time, usually without symptoms | Oct 14 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | so you should keep an eye on your blood pressure | Oct 14 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | you're talking on a scale of 20 or 30 years before it causes a massive heart attack or something | Oct 14 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't want to drop dead at 45 years old | Oct 14 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's a scary thought | Oct 14 17:46 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, why do you think did Microsoft made a virtualization agreement with Red Hat? | Oct 14 17:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, personally, I'm having a bad feeling about it? | Oct 14 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, You shouldn't | Oct 14 17:48 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, ? | Oct 14 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's just an agreement that they'll support each other's operating systems as guests on theirs | Oct 14 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's not another Novell deal | Oct 14 17:49 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, that's good. | Oct 14 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | no mention of patents, no licensing of anything | Oct 14 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | no outrageous sums of money changing hands | Oct 14 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | nothing fishy, just a mutual support deal | Oct 14 17:50 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, great. | Oct 14 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, it's OK | Oct 14 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/21/red-hat-microsoft-story/ | Oct 14 17:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: Summary of the Red Hat-Microsoft Story | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 150.82 KB | Oct 14 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | Novell was basically paid to start doing things like Mono and to tell everyone that MS has legitimate claims over Linux stuff | Oct 14 17:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/12/microsofts-sidekickpink-problems-blamed-on-dogfooding-and-sabotage/ | Oct 14 17:52 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsofts Sidekick/Pink problems blamed on dogfooding and sabotage RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 40.66 KB | Oct 14 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | the mutual support was in there but it wasn't the main deal | Oct 14 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Novell should have spun off SUSE (set it free) and gone bankrupt | Oct 14 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Instead they took a job at/for Microsoft | Oct 14 17:53 |
| shreddar | That doesn't sound like it would benefit stockholders. | Oct 14 17:54 |
| shreddar | If it was just a small company with less than 100 people I could see that happening. | Oct 14 17:54 |
| schestowitz | http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/10/orientation-for-firefox/ | Oct 14 17:57 |
| phIRCe | Title: new device API for Firefox 3.6: orientation at hacks.mozilla.org .::. Size~: 42.88 KB | Oct 14 17:57 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: shareholders are not moral entities | Oct 14 17:57 |
| schestowitz | That's why I trust the FSF | Oct 14 17:57 |
| schestowitz | It does not suffer some the same rather tyrannical structure | Oct 14 17:58 |
| schestowitz | People assess the consequences of their /own/ actions | Oct 14 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Oct 14 17:59 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 7 is being released on October 7 and Ubuntu Karmic on October 29." | Oct 14 17:59 |
| schestowitz | http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/9972.html | Oct 14 17:59 |
| phIRCe | Title: Windows 7 meets Ubuntu 9.10 .::. Size~: 35.39 KB | Oct 14 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Must be some slip there. | Oct 14 17:59 |
| schestowitz | 7.10 | Oct 14 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | it rages on: http://ostatic.com/blog/responding-sanely-to-sexism-in-foss | Oct 14 18:04 |
| phIRCe | Title: Responding Sanely to Sexism in FOSS .::. Size~: 35.58 KB | Oct 14 18:04 |
| schestowitz | YEs, there is sexism, but not just in FOSS | Oct 14 18:04 |
| shreddar | 9.10 is actually about to come out. | Oct 14 18:04 |
| trmanco | I will update when RC is about to come out | Oct 14 18:07 |
| tessier | schestowitz: There were network problems that I am aware of last night. Although there could have been some upstream problem that I didn't hear about. | Oct 14 18:07 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I was baffled cause ping and ssh worked | Oct 14 18:07 |
| shreddar | I wish that Kubuntu would maintain KGTK. Actually I wan FreeDesktop.org to make a standard for dialogs but until then I want KGTK working again. | Oct 14 18:08 |
| schestowitz | So I thought it must have been port specific or something | Oct 14 18:08 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I'm glad it's sorted. No worries at all (for me anyway). Your uptime is a lot better than other 'professional' hosts I've been with since 2001 | Oct 14 18:08 |
| shreddar | interchangeable dialogs I mean. | Oct 14 18:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Finally found this music, yeah :D ♫ http://blip.fm/~etjho | Oct 14 18:11 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 18:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] This one has more quality :D ♫ http://blip.fm/~etjnp | Oct 14 18:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Deadmau5 - Not Exactly (Original Mix) "best sound quality"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~etk0z | Oct 14 18:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Deadmau5 & Kaskade - Move For Me (Extended Mix) [HQ Audio]" ♫ http://blip.fm/~etk83 | Oct 14 18:23 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Nelson Mandela archive will remind people of what he fought for http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/14/nelsonmandela-southafrica | Oct 14 18:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Deadmau5 - Slip [HQ]" ♫ http://blip.fm/~etkhz | Oct 14 18:27 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 18:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Deadmau5 Arguru (Original Mix)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~etkoe | Oct 14 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | ets Ubuntu 9. | Oct 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu 9 | Oct 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | .. | Oct 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/13/adobe_reader_updater_update/ | Oct 14 18:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: Adobe relieves Reader and Acrobat update blues • The Register .::. Size~: 24.87 KB | Oct 14 18:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Deadmau5 - Clockwork (Original Mix) [HQ]" ♫ http://blip.fm/~etktz | Oct 14 18:32 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 14 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | "In its search for fugitives, the FBI has begun using facial-recognition technology on millions of motorists, comparing driver's license photos with pictures of convicts in a high-tech analysis of chin widths and nose sizes." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iCDKSGZjGw3GMFUml4LQLlWzNOuQD9B9O5B80 | Oct 14 18:37 |
| phIRCe | Title: The Associated Press: FBI delves into DMV photos in search for fugitives .::. Size~: 14.26 KB | Oct 14 18:37 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.yahoo.com/news/afp/20091014/tc_afp/usitinternettwitter_20091014022120 "Once you report a profile it will automatically be blocked from following or replying to you. You nailed it!" | Oct 14 18:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/10/x-planes/ | Oct 14 18:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: Gallery: Let the X-Planes Begin | Autopia | Wired.com .::. Size~: 72.84 KB | Oct 14 18:40 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: make sure you warn us when you get on twitv :-P | Oct 14 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I ought to ads mods | Oct 14 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Haters and hecklers | Oct 14 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna look at some Linux news shortly | Oct 14 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Right now I run heavy experiments on half a dozen Fedora machines (project) | Oct 14 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Dow is up 1.18% | Oct 14 19:01 |
| schestowitz | 13 points below 10,000 | Oct 14 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Those who had wealth have already been looted | Oct 14 19:02 |
| schestowitz | They paid their masters at Wall Street with debt (bailout) | Oct 14 19:02 |
| schestowitz | So bankers and investors can now cash back while the rest will carry the burden of the new debt for a few generations to come | Oct 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Check out the poor English in this press release/whatever: http://www.live-pr.com/en/inexpensive-customize-wordpress-themes-r1048335998.htm | Oct 14 19:05 |
| phIRCe | Title: Inexpensive Customize Wordpress Themes Design Services .::. Size~: 11.37 KB | Oct 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Scrolling down I now see.. " | Oct 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Contact information: | Oct 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Perception System | Oct 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Floor, Samudra Annexe, Off. C.G.Road, Navrangpura, Ahmedabad-380009. Gujarat, INDIA. | Oct 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | A lot of CMS/site work can now be done cheaply abroad | Oct 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | There are some real php experts in India | Oct 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Freelance | Oct 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how the West can actually deal with this natural trend. I doubt it can do much at all. | Oct 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Those at the tip are currently trying to ensure only their own brand survive using WTO and ITC. | Oct 14 19:07 |
| schestowitz | But the jobs below them can move abroad, even physical work, like car manufacturing moving to east Europe | Oct 14 19:07 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Adobe-closes-29-vulnerabilities-in-Acrobat-and-Reader-828796.html/from/rss | Oct 14 19:08 |
| phIRCe | Title: Adobe closes 29 vulnerabilities in Acrobat and Reader - The H Security: News and features .::. Size~: 26.79 KB | Oct 14 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | Oct 14 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | I use neither | Oct 14 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Okular is great | Oct 14 19:10 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Microsoft-Patch-Tuesday-34-security-vulnerabilities-addressed-828128.html/from/rss | Oct 14 19:10 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 14 19:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft Patch Tuesday - 34 security vulnerabilities addressed - The H Security: News and features .::. Size~: 31.69 KB | Oct 14 19:10 |
| schestowitz | That's the lower bound | Oct 14 19:12 |
| schestowitz | They have morw | Oct 14 19:12 |
| schestowitz | *re | Oct 14 19:12 |
| trmanco | http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/moreamysramblings/IrJwByGHpncodzdInxkmeBshoGwIthFdgqFzvBqsjrJEDddfgsguCCzJGtdo/media_httpgraphjamfileswordpresscom200909songchartmemestimecomputerjpg_aaaCFAGEfcFJcrc.jpg.scaled500.jpg | Oct 14 19:12 |
| trmanco | wow | Oct 14 19:12 |
| trmanco | http://tinyurl.com/yzbhmr8 | Oct 14 19:12 |
| schestowitz | JS | Oct 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | In the PR industry, they have "content" and "fill" | Oct 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Content is the advertisments | Oct 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Fill is the stuff that keeps you connected between commercial breaks | Oct 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I didn't get them reversed | Oct 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | The role of the media in this content is to sell (or connect) advertisers with particular audiences | Oct 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | In this case, spying is needed | Oct 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | So they can shove 6 domains running JS on the user's cmputer | Oct 14 19:15 |
| schestowitz | They build' marvellous' DBs of people's (or IPs') surfing habits and build profiles | Oct 14 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Then they can impose consumerism on those, by understanding inner desires and exploring those | Oct 14 19:15 |
| schestowitz | /s/exploring/exploiting/ | Oct 14 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Dow is now 8 points shy of 10k | Oct 14 19:17 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 14 19:30 |
| trmanco | "Do you think new is good (Windows 7)" -> "No, it's new, it's bad" :-P | Oct 14 19:30 |
| schestowitz | WHoa | Oct 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | You watched it too? | Oct 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | That was 2 minutes ago | Oct 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I only watched it for 2 minutes for the first time today | Oct 14 19:32 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 14 19:33 |
| trmanco | I'm watching it now | Oct 14 19:33 |
| trmanco | the floss show is in 2 hours | Oct 14 19:33 |
| trmanco | they are talking about the 34 microsoft updates | Oct 14 19:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Reading an early draft of The Screencasting Handbook http://bit.ly/2BGydU from Ian Ozsvald. Should be great when it's finished ;) | Oct 14 19:35 | |
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| trmanco | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/ | Oct 14 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, _goblin | Oct 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | How's life? | Oct 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs' CEO Blankfein: "We are Performing a Public Service" <> http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/10/goldman-sachs-ceo-blankfein-we-are.html > | Oct 14 19:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Have switched to Google Chrome on Ubuntu instead of Firefox. I feel naughty, but I love it! :) | Oct 14 19:45 | |
| _goblin | hi | Oct 14 19:48 |
| _goblin | did you do your interview today? | Oct 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | How's that FTC report coming along? | Oct 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: not yet | Oct 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I want to post some stuff to COLA in a moment | Oct 14 19:49 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 14 19:52 |
| trmanco | installing microsoft security essentials rewrites windows' host.ini | Oct 14 19:52 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 14 19:52 |
| _goblin | ftc wise sent......a;beit by an unauthodox channel...... | Oct 14 19:53 |
| MinceR | what does host.ini do? | Oct 14 19:53 |
| MinceR | boot loader configuration? | Oct 14 19:53 |
| schestowitz | what's host.ini? | Oct 14 19:54 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 14 19:54 |
| trmanco | same as the linux hosts file | Oct 14 19:54 |
| trmanco | hosts.ini* | Oct 14 19:55 |
| trmanco | not the same, similar | Oct 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: are you in law? | Oct 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Linux Essentials comes 'baked into' the distros | Oct 14 19:55 |
| _goblin | yes. | Oct 14 19:56 |
| _goblin | sort of... | Oct 14 19:56 |
| schestowitz | What Microsoft does it a little like selling gun and bullets separately | Oct 14 19:56 |
| schestowitz | They give you windows (bullets) | Oct 14 19:56 |
| _goblin | if you will let me speak to you privately you will see why I do not disclose publically... | Oct 14 19:56 |
| schestowitz | But it's not of much use without the other thing | Oct 14 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Once you get both you're out on the Web taking things down (fragging like a zombie) | Oct 14 19:57 |
| *schestowitz thinks _goblin is an MI5 agent | Oct 14 19:57 | |
| _goblin | no! | Oct 14 19:57 |
| schestowitz | They higher crackers | Oct 14 19:57 |
| schestowitz | A friend told me | Oct 14 19:57 |
| _goblin | by the way the cool one is MI6 | Oct 14 19:57 |
| _goblin | apparently. | Oct 14 19:58 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how the secret agencies hire the same blackhats they try to stop | Oct 14 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they should | Oct 14 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | who else is smart enough to do it? | Oct 14 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | and schestowitz, to be fair | Oct 14 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they try to stop actual blackhats | Oct 14 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ones hired by other agencies | Oct 14 19:58 |
| _goblin | whats a blackhat? | Oct 14 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: as opposed to a white hat | Oct 14 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Malicious crackers | Oct 14 19:58 |
| _goblin | ah.. | Oct 14 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: thats a tad strong | Oct 14 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 14 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're not malicious | Oct 14 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Double nagation | Oct 14 19:59 |
| schestowitz | *negation | Oct 14 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is theres no concept as a grey hat | Oct 14 19:59 |
| schestowitz | There might be | Oct 14 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Like McKinnon | Oct 14 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | secret agencies hire grey hats to combat black hats | Oct 14 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Breaking and entering not to cause damage | Oct 14 19:59 |
| schestowitz | And maybe to report the flaw | Oct 14 19:59 |
| _goblin | Ive been reading about the bodged computer tech that the US allowed the USSR to steal....during the cold war. | Oct 14 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | grey hats dont work for anyone and just do it to do it | Oct 14 20:00 |
| schestowitz | They can work for someone | Oct 14 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're not quite white hats, they're not quite black hats | Oct 14 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Like cybercrime gangs | Oct 14 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: then they become black hats | Oct 14 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | once you're doing it for the money, you're a black aht | Oct 14 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Or security firms | Oct 14 20:00 |
| schestowitz | The dodgy ones | Oct 14 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | even the non-dodgy ones | Oct 14 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | the people performing actual attacks against their own customers to test security _are_ black hats | Oct 14 20:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2015:mugabe-violating-students-rights&catid=67:art&Itemid=289 | Oct 14 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're just the good friendly ones | Oct 14 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt make them a white hat | Oct 14 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just makes them not a terrorist | Oct 14 20:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2582&blogid=14 | Oct 14 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia... how about freedom? | Oct 14 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Openness is a broad term | Oct 14 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow | Oct 14 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im going to bed | Oct 14 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | because Im tired | Oct 14 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | and tommorow is a fresh new day to hate people in | Oct 14 20:03 |
| schestowitz | It's 8 | Oct 14 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | its 3pm | Oct 14 20:03 |
| schestowitz | OK | Oct 14 20:03 |
| schestowitz | east coast then | Oct 14 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I confused you with someone from linsux | Oct 14 20:04 |
| schestowitz | "Chrome OS copied from active-desktop" | Oct 14 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Someone has just mailed me this: | Oct 14 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1404371 | Oct 14 20:05 |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot Comments | Acer Launching Dual Android/Windows 7 Netbook .::. Size~: 123.44 KB | Oct 14 20:05 |
| schestowitz | --quote | Oct 14 20:05 |
| schestowitz | 'i always thought that an active-desktop-esque window manager for | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | linux would be cool, as it would allow users to write applications in | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | HTML, Flash, or anything, and have them in the "Start" Menu, or as | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | part of the desktop. | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | it turns out ironically that google's "chrome os" is pretty much | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | exactly that, and the Palm Pre is already well on its way to being a | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | "web" os, too. | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | thus we ironically come full circle, as the startling implications of | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | ideas that microsoft creates over fifteen years ago eventually filter | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | through the security nightmares and negative public perceptions of the | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | windows OS....' | Oct 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | --/quote | Oct 14 20:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow | Oct 14 20:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im going to bed | Oct 14 20:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | night | Oct 14 20:07 |
| _goblin | gn | Oct 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/10/freedom-services.html | Oct 14 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: how's kde4? | Oct 14 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://beginlinux.com/blog/2009/10/ubuntu-9-10-ufw-firewall/ | Oct 14 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/13/a-first-glimpse-of-chrome-os-in-the-flesh-at-least-the-browser-part/ good for Chrome fans, but why not Fedora? | Oct 14 20:12 |
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| *Diablo-D3 has quit ("do coders dream of sheep()?") | Oct 14 20:13 | |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Yes, I must admit I begrudgingly like it. | Oct 14 20:14 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I just wish I didn't get Vista flashbacks everytime I use KDE (not that KDE is anything like Vista) | Oct 14 20:14 |
| _goblin | asthetically I will still prefer XFCE or Gnome.... | Oct 14 20:15 |
| _goblin | but KDE is nippy, smooth and stable. | Oct 14 20:15 |
| _goblin | for me. | Oct 14 20:16 |
| trmanco | move the bar to the top | Oct 14 20:16 |
| _goblin | true... | Oct 14 20:16 |
| trmanco | or resize it so that it won't stretch widely | Oct 14 20:16 |
| _goblin | I think its that I don't like change.... | Oct 14 20:17 |
| schestowitz | My experiments are botched | Oct 14 20:20 |
| schestowitz | 3 hours spent in vain | Oct 14 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Will rerun them overnight :-| | Oct 14 20:21 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 14 20:21 |
| _goblin | Im currently talking with Indiana Gregg..! | Oct 14 20:22 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I should be thankful for just doing these projects. THey enable me to carry on | Oct 14 20:25 |
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| jono | schestowitz all good for an hour's time? | Oct 14 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Sure. | Oct 14 20:26 |
| jono | cool | Oct 14 20:26 |
| trmanco | :) | Oct 14 20:27 |
| trmanco | is just audio or video? | Oct 14 20:27 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: see this new one about xfce: http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/jon-f/xfce-a-bitch-session/ | Oct 14 20:27 |
| phIRCe | Title: XFCE: A Bitch Session | The Linux Experiment .::. Size~: 42.23 KB | Oct 14 20:27 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I've never seen a visually-attractive xfce session | Oct 14 20:27 |
| trmanco | oh live video | Oct 14 20:27 |
| trmanco | just saw the dent on identica | Oct 14 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/10/ubuntus_design.html;jsessionid=YGSHU5FSVDZGHQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN | Oct 14 20:28 |
| phIRCe | Title: Ubuntu's Design Team: Make It Look Good, Run Better - Open Source Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 88.45 KB | Oct 14 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Acer is still committed to Linix: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39807836,00.htm | Oct 14 20:29 |
| phIRCe | Title: Top stories - ZDNet UK News .::. Size~: 116.93 KB | Oct 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Acer-AOD2501613/ | Oct 14 20:30 |
| phIRCe | Title: First Atom-powered Android netbook debuts - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 68.46 KB | Oct 14 20:30 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/14911/five_ways_the_linux_desktop_shoots_itself_in_the_foot | Oct 14 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "In a little over a week, Windows 7 is coming out. So, what are hard-core Linux users doing to get ready for the coming of the next major threat to the Linux desktop? Well, a lot of them are fighting about whether Miguel de Icaza, founder of the GNOME and the Mono implementation of .NET on Linux is, "a traitor to the Free Software community."" | Oct 14 20:32 |
| phIRCe | Title: Five ways the Linux desktop shoots itself in the foot - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 138.48 KB | Oct 14 20:32 |
| schestowitz | See, SJVN doesn't get it so right, IMHO | Oct 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz | This infighting is caused sometimes by design | Oct 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Take MOOX for example | Oct 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I got some mails this afternoon from a guy who lost his job due to Microsoft infiltrating his workplace | Oct 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz | One day I'll write a /hypothetical/ "Anatomy of a Microsoft Interference in Rival's Territory" scenario. IBM ain't happy about Microsoft's interference in ODF. The head of the ODF Allience mailed me some days ago also. They seem to know what Microsoft is up to, but they can't find the references in BN. Some of the recent writings from Weir also ought to remind people that IBM is not happy. | Oct 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what's up in Debian | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Some people go further speculating | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | -- Quote | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | >> >> The Wiki is different from the commentary. | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > > | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > > Yes, unifying those would require something more complicated like LDAP. | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > > I don't even wanna go there... | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > > | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | > > We could use help around the Wiki, especially with post indices (lists). | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I'm amenable to looking at it. | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | <no quote this week> | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if Jo Shields is covering his/her ass. See : | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Biography: Key member in the Microsoft conspiracy | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Occupation: Evil Shill | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=176650#stats | Oct 14 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/11/AR2006121101389.html | Oct 14 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | </> | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | -- /quote | Oct 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Weird humour IMHO | Oct 14 20:36 |
| schestowitz | But it's not new | Oct 14 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | And I disagree with this argument that Shields has /anything/ to do with mission against FOSS. I think he's misled, that's all. | Oct 14 20:36 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: thats why I like XFCE, simple, functional and fast. | Oct 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/173631/first_look_at_googles_chrome_browser_within_the_chrome_os.html | Oct 14 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: I guess it's down to apps | Oct 14 20:39 |
| schestowitz | What h/w are you on (main rig)? | Oct 14 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Linux 2.6.31 boots very fast | Oct 14 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Shutdown takes almost as long (for me), so that's how fast it is | Oct 14 20:40 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/World-of-Goo-Can-Be-Bought-for-1-cent-124278.shtml | Oct 14 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Ah | Oct 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I finally got one experiment right :-) | Oct 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Using MARS. http://schestowitz.com/MARS/ | Oct 14 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | I might release an IEEE paper soon :) | Oct 14 20:46 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: My main rig is: AMD Sempron 1.8ghz 2gig ram. I have higher powered machines but the location of this PC means its the one I use most often...that being said I have found all DE's fast on it though XFCE for me is always punchier no matter what spec its on... | Oct 14 20:53 |
| _goblin | and I like to maximise my system resources - whatever they are. | Oct 14 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: similar to mine | Oct 14 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Mine is a little more advanced, maybe newer model | Oct 14 20:56 |
| _goblin | its a nice little machine here an ACER...very happy to play with any distro. | Oct 14 20:56 |
| _goblin | and even when I had that shortterm addiction to WoW, it gave a very good framerate. | Oct 14 20:57 |
| schestowitz | That's why I run away from FPSs now | Oct 14 20:58 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I'll post to COLA later tonight. There's no point doing just half of it now | Oct 14 20:58 |
| _goblin | Ive put WoW behind me.....a dangerous addiction.... | Oct 14 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I had addition with Wolfenstein | Oct 14 20:58 |
| schestowitz | !google enemy territory site://schestowitz.com | Oct 14 20:59 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory - Resource Site: News | http://enemy-territory.4players.de/ | Oct 14 20:59 |
| phIRCe | [2] - ENEMY TERRITORY : QUAKE WARS | http://www.enemyterritory.com/ | Oct 14 20:59 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Enemy Territory - Planet Wolfenstein | http://www.planetwolfenstein.com/enemyterritory/ | Oct 14 20:59 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Enemy Territory: QUAKE Wars Official Community Site | http://community.enemyterritory.com/ | Oct 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | oops. | Oct 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | !google enemy territory site:http://schestowitz.com | Oct 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I got the bot confused | Oct 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | It's ambiguous | Oct 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it was a great game, still is | Oct 14 21:00 |
| _goblin | I remember running the original on my Elonex 486...(wolfenstien) | Oct 14 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I ran it on a crappy Dell machine at the time (2004) | Oct 14 21:00 |
| _goblin | I think I had a full size screen at a decent framerate.... | Oct 14 21:00 |
| _goblin | I was sooooo impressed with texture mapping at the time. | Oct 14 21:01 |
| schestowitz | l@@kie here: http://keionline.org/node/660 | Oct 14 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: it ran ok for me with as little as 512mb of ram | Oct 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | And Radeon card | Oct 14 21:03 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: RE: Wolfenstien...I am meaning the very first one.....the shareware one.... | Oct 14 21:07 |
| _goblin | I think I ran it on about 8meg of ram.... | Oct 14 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I was amazed by that one | Oct 14 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | I saw it when playing Nintendo and stuff | Oct 14 21:09 |
| schestowitz | It was the first time I witnessed a FPS on a PC | Oct 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | The geometrical advancements there were huge step forward | Oct 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Now you can run the game even in JS inside a Web browser | Oct 14 21:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The ACTAists meet in secresy again: http://keionline.org/node/660 | Oct 14 21:15 | |
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| jono | schestowitz 15mins | Oct 14 21:17 |
| jono | schestowitz although Leo is often late :P | Oct 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | ACK | Oct 14 21:17 |
| PetoKraus | roy i take it you saw this: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138007/Microsoft_No_TCP_IP_patches_for_you_XP | Oct 14 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes, let me find you some posts | Oct 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/21/windows-xp-security-eol/ http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/21/windows-xp-security-eol/ | Oct 14 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/15/microsoft-refusal-to-patch/ | Oct 14 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine reckons the code is a mess or MIA | Oct 14 21:22 |
| fewa | Why doesn't Public Knowledge release the drafts? | Oct 14 21:23 |
| jono | schestowitz can I do a quick call with you on skype to check it is working? | Oct 14 21:24 |
| fewa | it says they have it, I don't think that is correct | Oct 14 21:24 |
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| trmanco | jono: we are looking for you :-P | Oct 14 21:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Roy Schestowitz is over on Flossweekly! Very interesting! http://live.twit.tv #microsoft #windows #linux #foss | Oct 14 21:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Getting into Linux via VM? I think Jono is wrong there. Ive never come across that personally...the LiveCD is way IMO. #microsoft #linux | Oct 14 22:15 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hello | Oct 14 22:27 |
| trmanco | hey | Oct 14 22:28 |
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| DaemonFC | on my new PC | Oct 14 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | it kicks sufficient portions of ass | Oct 14 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | blows that Core 2 Duo away completely | Oct 14 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've got a new Logitech 7.1 speaker system that supports SPDIF | Oct 14 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | sounds terrific | Oct 14 22:39 |
| *DaemonFC is too ecstatic to be in pain right now | Oct 14 22:40 | |
| DaemonFC | the RadeonHD 4670 runs Oblivion @ 1680 x 1050 with HDR and all detail options maxed out at over 70 fps | Oct 14 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of surprised me | Oct 14 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | the Geforce 9500 GT was only barely good enough for 1280 x 768 at medium quality with no HDR or AA | Oct 14 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | you'd be sitting at around 30-35 fps with that | Oct 14 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | course some of that would go along with the slower CPU, but the RadeonHD 4670 is a great $70 card | Oct 14 22:43 |
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| DaemonFC | this system is so fast even Vista doesn't take many points away | Oct 14 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | that's scary | Oct 14 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | throw enought RAM and CPU at Windows and eventually it's happy I guess | Oct 14 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Vista's sweet spot must be 4 3 Ghz CPU cores and 8 gigs of RAM | Oct 14 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 14 22:49 |
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| DaemonFC | it also claimed my firstborn son, but I suckered it by not having one | Oct 14 22:49 |
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| fewa | yuck, such a fast computer without any real segmentation of security contexts | Oct 14 22:58 |
| fewa | Its a glass cannon | Oct 14 22:58 |
| AlanBell | really interesting TWIT interview | Oct 14 23:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Magazine for October is Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40320 | Oct 14 23:03 | |
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| trmanco | wb schestowitz | Oct 14 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Hey guys | Oct 14 23:04 |
| schestowitz | As expected, jono aligned accusations against me | Oct 14 23:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Compared to #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 http://ur1.ca/dmaw http://ur1.ca/dmax http://ur1.ca/dmay | Oct 14 23:04 | |
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| trmanco | I guess that's what he has been reading on Goog | Oct 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | No, Google is not negative | Oct 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | But he gave that impression to daemonise me | Oct 14 23:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Guardian Offers Advice on Reuse of Old PCs Using #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/ELU9R | Oct 14 23:05 | |
| voltronw | schestowitz: seemed fair enough to me, what questions did you disagree with? | Oct 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Leaving me just to polite reject what he presented falsely | Oct 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Including false accusation that he echoed | Oct 14 23:06 |
| AlanBell | it was a tough interview, certainly | Oct 14 23:06 |
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| jono | schestowitz I am sorry if you felt that way | Oct 14 23:06 |
| jono | I felt I provided an opportunity for you to respond to a variety of points | Oct 14 23:07 |
| schestowitz | jono: it's OK | Oct 14 23:07 |
| trmanco | I get about 3 negative results on the first google page | Oct 14 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I knew it would be that way | Oct 14 23:07 |
| schestowitz | You brought up things that are not true | Oct 14 23:07 |
| trmanco | they were also people pressuring for jono to go that way | Oct 14 23:07 |
| jono | schestowitz I raised topics,, and you said they were not true | Oct 14 23:07 |
| jono | which is cool | Oct 14 23:08 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: what things? | Oct 14 23:08 |
| jono | its all part of the debate :) | Oct 14 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Including some allegations from the anti-lInux slanderers who attack me instead | Oct 14 23:08 |
| AlanBell | if it wasn't a tough interview it wouldn't have been so interesting! | Oct 14 23:08 |
| trmanco | everything went pretty smooth | Oct 14 23:08 |
| jono | schestowitz as I said before, I wanted to raise criticisms leveled at you and give you an opportunity to respond on the air | Oct 14 23:09 |
| schestowitz | jono: don't worry about it | Oct 14 23:09 |
| schestowitz | IT was similar in the OOXML interview | Oct 14 23:09 |
| jono | schestowitz I was also concious to not talk about you when you had finished the interview, I think that would be innapropriate | Oct 14 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Where the boradcaster and hosts are all aligned against the guest. I know Leo is a fan of Miguel; he said so. | Oct 14 23:09 |
| schestowitz | But that's OK | Oct 14 23:09 |
| trmanco | Leo actually liked you | Oct 14 23:09 |
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| trmanco | at the end... | Oct 14 23:10 |
| jono | schestowitz we were not aligned against you, we were just asking a range of open ended questions | Oct 14 23:10 |
| AlanBell | was the boycott-boycottnovell site raised at all, I didn't catch the whole thing | Oct 14 23:10 |
| schestowitz | jono: let me clarify that I have no resentment | Oct 14 23:10 |
| schestowitz | But the alignment of question was push-polling | Oct 14 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Portraying me as unreasonable | Oct 14 23:10 |
| jono | schestowitz cool, and I have absolutely no resentment of you | Oct 14 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Then implying that I am a "spammer" and abuser because of what other people do | Oct 14 23:10 |
| jono | I just wanted to give you an opportunity to come on and discuss the project | Oct 14 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Or that "everyone is against me" | Oct 14 23:10 |
| trmanco | AlanBell: it was continually "spammed" on the irc channel only | Oct 14 23:11 |
| schestowitz | A bit like someone going on FOx :-p | Oct 14 23:11 |
| jono | schestowitz I didnt imply it, I very clearly said I dont believe you are spamming, but there is maybe a responsibility to help clarify that boycottnovell is not affiliated with those spammers | Oct 14 23:11 |
| jono | which I think wouild be healthy for the project | Oct 14 23:11 |
| trmanco | that was already posted on BN | Oct 14 23:11 |
| trmanco | something similar at least | Oct 14 23:12 |
| schestowitz | jono: out of curiousity, have you had similar experience of misrepresentation? | Oct 14 23:12 |
| schestowitz | That's the type of thing that put Shane off | Oct 14 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Like folks from India who protested | Oct 14 23:12 |
| jono | erm, not really, sometimes people will publicly state their view and say that I would share it | Oct 14 23:12 |
| jono | which is not the case | Oct 14 23:12 |
| schestowitz | He thought they got arrested or something | Oct 14 23:12 |
| jono | I will typically try and clarify that if that is the case | Oct 14 23:12 |
| jono | schestowitz wow, really? | Oct 14 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Many readers mailed me and mailed him afterwards to clarify | Oct 14 23:12 |
| schestowitz | And he wasn't posting cause he didn't have time, not cause of opposition really | Oct 14 23:13 |
| schestowitz | He was offline for a WHOLE month at one point | Oct 14 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I wish we had discussed this before, jono | Oct 14 23:13 |
| schestowitz | As that would prevent making the wrong impression | Oct 14 23:13 |
| jono | schestowitz discussed what? | Oct 14 23:14 |
| jono | shane? | Oct 14 23:14 |
| schestowitz | For instance, yes. | Oct 14 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Shane and I are in touch, but he's rarely on the Web | Oct 14 23:14 |
| jono | ahhh I see | Oct 14 23:15 |
| ajm | I feel (as an outsider, not knowing anything about the project), that it didn't seem to have a negative slant (probably only because I trust jono bacon before you (schestowitz)), but obviously not by jono's design or plan. At the end though I feel like you schestowitz should of told people that they should look at the IRC or join the mailing list for a while to get a true sense of the project. | Oct 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | In fact, after the DDOS attacks he lost interest in some of the mess cause we worked for days against the host to put the site back up, but it would fall over with the DDOS | Oct 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | ajm: the issues were covered with a slanted IMHO | Oct 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Such as the given impression that the gripe is with developers | Oct 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | They follow orders mostly | Oct 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | It's about the management level | Oct 14 23:16 |
| jono | schestowitz I don't think it was so much slanted, but sure I have an opinion, but it was important for me to give you a microphone to respond | Oct 14 23:16 |
| jono | and you did respond | Oct 14 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | I did. I wasn't preparing anything | Oct 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | But no hard feelings, I predicted it would be this way | Oct 14 23:17 |
| AlanBell | well it is late for me, but well done jono for the Paxman quality interviewing and well done schestowitz for being up for it, and your answers throughout. | Oct 14 23:17 |
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| jono | schestowitz I am glad we can be friends | Oct 14 23:18 |
| jono | schestowitz would be great to have a pint someday :) | Oct 14 23:18 |
| jono | schestowitz I assume you still can't come and join us at LugRadio Live? | Oct 14 23:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AMD Gives More #Documentation for Free #Drivers http://bit.ly/i74O6 | Oct 14 23:19 | |
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| schestowitz | I don't like travelling, jono. But if you're ever at Manchester, we should meet | Oct 14 23:20 |
| schestowitz | THe most annoying thing was travelling down south in recent years to conferences and stuff | Oct 14 23:20 |
| *trmanco I would think twice :-P | Oct 14 23:20 | |
| jono | schestowitz would be awesome, unfortunately, I don't know when I will be there next | Oct 14 23:20 |
| jono | schestowitz its a shame Wolverhampton is only a short train ride from Manchester | Oct 14 23:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Beta Out Shortly, #RedHat at Record Levels http://ur1.ca/dmd6 http://ur1.ca/dmd7 | Oct 14 23:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 Focuses Also on #Servers and New #Design http://ur1.ca/dmdc http://ur1.ca/dmdd | Oct 14 23:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux -powered Devices: #Argosy, #WikiReader http://ur1.ca/dmdn http://ur1.ca/dmdo | Oct 14 23:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer Puts #Linux on Both Phones and Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/dmdt http://ur1.ca/dmdu | Oct 14 23:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Google #Linux Phones Seen Coming with Chinese Chipsets http://bit.ly/c5ynG | Oct 14 23:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS Sells Its Better Phones with #Linux http://bit.ly/1il41s | Oct 14 23:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Telecom Trends International Predicts That #Linux Will Win #Smartphones Competition http://bit.ly/120ohN | Oct 14 23:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Subnotebooks with #Android (Linux) Arrive at Last http://ur1.ca/dmep http://ur1.ca/dmet | Oct 14 23:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] FLOSS WEEKLY INTERVIEWS ROY SCHESTOWITZ http://tinyurl.com/ylxu46a #microsoft #linux #foss #windows #xp #vista | Oct 14 23:48 | |
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| trmanco | I think I know the fix for this | Oct 14 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: still about? | Oct 14 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | Any of you like Family Guy? | Oct 14 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | Well bad news | Oct 14 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/14/win7_family_guy/ | Oct 14 23:56 |
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