| trmanco | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/fail-owned-windows-fail.jpg?w=500&h=375 | Sep 15 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] My latest HPR is out - Cherokee & Asyncronous Servers http://tinyurl.com/rxxmqc | Sep 15 00:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #European Software Strategy Published, Written by #Lobbyists and #Multinationals http://bit.ly/190ZpD | Sep 15 00:04 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I posted it to COLA | Sep 15 00:06 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 15 00:11 |
| schestowitz | BTW, _Mutex_ is still here | Sep 15 00:12 |
| schestowitz | And he trolls BN in comments also | Sep 15 00:12 |
| *PetoKraus has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 00:20 | |
| *amarsh04 has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) | Sep 15 00:21 | |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 00:22 | |
| *PetoKraus has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 00:26 | |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 00:27 | |
| *magentar has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 00:32 | |
| *Lns has quit ("Φ") | Sep 15 00:36 | |
| *Balrog_ (n=Balrog@173.59.66.71) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 00:36 | |
| *Balrog has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Sep 15 00:38 | |
| *Balrog_ is now known as Balrog | Sep 15 00:38 | |
| *BRBT_ (n=BRBT@129.32.100.56) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 00:38 | |
| *tessier_ has quit ("Changing server") | Sep 15 00:40 | |
| *tessier (n=treed@216.105.40.113) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 00:49 | |
| *amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-164-59.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 00:53 | |
| *schestowitz thinks it's funny when text is entered into a tilted textbox in kde4 widgets. | Sep 15 01:04 | |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Sep 15 01:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] gNewSense 2.3 is currently getting the treatment..a true free OS that is accessable to everyone! #linux #foss #gnewsense | Sep 15 01:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IDG on #IDC + #BSA Deception, #OpenOffice.org Growth, and Thoughts on #ODF http://bit.ly/1a8yWF | Sep 15 01:16 | |
| *dyfet (n=dyfet@pool-71-254-62-7.atclnj.east.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 01:20 | |
| *dyfet` has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 01:43 | |
| *Balrog has quit () | Sep 15 01:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Thoughts About the #Microsoft #CodePlex Foundation: New Links http://ping.fm/P10ls #mono | Sep 15 01:48 | |
| zlg | Fake but still amusing :) http://www.snopes.com/business/hidden/chipshot.asp | Sep 15 01:55 |
| *dyfet` (n=dyfet@pool-72-90-5-93.atclnj.east.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 01:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Early Signs That Vista 7 Will be Rejected by Businesses http://ping.fm/YInaI | Sep 15 02:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Make Money with Google Biz Kit! << Scam? http://tinyurl.com/nzn73h | Sep 15 02:07 | |
| *wallclimber (n=ozma@ip98-165-33-243.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 02:12 | |
| *Eruaran has quit (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") | Sep 15 02:14 | |
| *wallclimber has quit (Client Quit) | Sep 15 02:14 | |
| *dyfet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 02:18 | |
| *picknick has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") | Sep 15 02:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Make Money with Google Biz Kit! - Domains by Proxy in AZ, this is NOT Google http://tinyurl.com/oqnwmo | Sep 15 02:33 | |
| *yuhong (n=chatzill@pool-173-64-154-25.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 02:50 | |
| yuhong | "Windows started out without network security, and every fix since Windows for Workgroups has been one patch on top of another, right through to Windows 7." | Sep 15 02:50 |
| yuhong | Myth debunked by ReactOS. | Sep 15 02:50 |
| yuhong | http://www.reactos.org/en/newsletter_41.html | Sep 15 02:51 |
| yuhong | (and there are many similar claims on BN too, again all debunked by ReactOS) | Sep 15 02:52 |
| *yuhong has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") | Sep 15 02:56 | |
| *Will_ (i=4c724679@gateway/web/freenode/x-sjsrxrydntpyoyro) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 03:04 | |
| *wallclimber (n=ozma@ip98-165-33-243.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 03:12 | |
| Will_ | Hi wallclimber! | Sep 15 03:15 |
| wallclimber | hi! | Sep 15 03:20 |
| wallclimber | what's new? | Sep 15 03:21 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@41.249.103.142) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 03:21 | |
| wallclimber | Hicham, i'm still working on the sony vaio laptop | Sep 15 03:25 |
| _Hicham_ | wallclimber : no livecd could boot it ? | Sep 15 03:26 |
| wallclimber | well, the owner decided she wanted it cleaned up for now | Sep 15 03:26 |
| _Hicham_ | so u r reinstalling Vista ? | Sep 15 03:26 |
| Will_ | wallclimber: why not put OpenOffice and Firefox on as a gift? | Sep 15 03:27 |
| wallclimber | no, it's xp...a very very unpatched un-updated version. if i can get xp running clean again I'm going to | Sep 15 03:27 |
| wallclimber | try ubu-LTS and see if it will dual boot | Sep 15 03:28 |
| _Hicham_ | wallclimber : did u check for the availability of drivers ? | Sep 15 03:28 |
| wallclimber | i'm checking now | Sep 15 03:28 |
| _Hicham_ | some vaios do not offer drivers for xp | Sep 15 03:28 |
| wallclimber | it's taken all afternoon (sheesh i just looked at the clock, it's 7:30pm) to just get the darn thing running | Sep 15 03:29 |
| _Hicham_ | windows xp ? | Sep 15 03:29 |
| wallclimber | yes, xpsp2 | Sep 15 03:29 |
| wallclimber | media center | Sep 15 03:29 |
| wallclimber | or whatever they call it | Sep 15 03:29 |
| _Hicham_ | what is the serial number of this vaio ? | Sep 15 03:30 |
| wallclimber | i'll look...brb | Sep 15 03:30 |
| Will_ | what was this laptop like when wallclimber got it? | Sep 15 03:31 |
| Will_ | the usual malware infested near-brick, or something else? | Sep 15 03:31 |
| _Hicham_ | infected | Sep 15 03:32 |
| *dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 03:32 | |
| wallclimber | hmmm, it's probably printed on the bottom. i have it moving files right now to a thumb drive. i probably shouldn't up-end it right now...it says 31 minutes remaining | Sep 15 03:32 |
| Will_ | at least it's XP and not 7 : http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-upgrade-to-windows-7-can-take-up-to-a-day.ars | Sep 15 03:34 |
| Will_ | Hicham: is there a legal way to get a copy of Win7 RTM to test out? I've got some hard drive space and thought I might try it out in a VM. | Sep 15 03:35 |
| dsmith_ | you can DL win7 | Sep 15 03:37 |
| dsmith_ | upgrade takes a day? | Sep 15 03:37 |
| wallclimber | I got some help here, I just lifted it up and had a friend read the bottom. He said the only number he could see was: PCG7T1L | Sep 15 03:37 |
| dsmith_ | wtf | Sep 15 03:37 |
| Will_ | but is it the RTM version or the RC version? | Sep 15 03:37 |
| dsmith_ | should only take 30-mins | Sep 15 03:37 |
| Will_ | I don't trust them to be the same | Sep 15 03:37 |
| dsmith_ | yea | Sep 15 03:37 |
| dsmith_ | it came from MS | Sep 15 03:37 |
| Will_ | wallclimber: service tag? | Sep 15 03:38 |
| Will_ | That looks too short to be an XP key, if I even still remember them well enough. | Sep 15 03:38 |
| wallclimber | I don't know. I was the one holding it up so my friend could see. even with my new glasses i have a hard time reading small print...he said that was the only number there | Sep 15 03:39 |
| dsmith_ | anyways looks like they close the window | Sep 15 03:39 |
| dsmith_ | download it from PB | Sep 15 03:39 |
| dsmith_ | and run it in Vbox | Sep 15 03:39 |
| wallclimber | There is a number at the bottom front of the screen: VGN-N130G | Sep 15 03:39 |
| dsmith_ | why are you using vista #2 | Sep 15 03:40 |
| dsmith_ | windows 7 is nothing for me | Sep 15 03:40 |
| _Hicham_ | wallclimber : nothing on its screen ? | Sep 15 03:41 |
| _Hicham_ | no number at all ? | Sep 15 03:41 |
| wallclimber | Funny, now that I look at the keyboard area there are 3 stickers and one says Vista capable...lol | Sep 15 03:41 |
| Will_ | dsmith: I got the rc back when they had it available. I don't plan on using it. I don't even use XP anymore. I just wanted to review it so I could read a review not bought and paid for by MS. | Sep 15 03:41 |
| wallclimber | On the screen? Just the VGN-N130G number | Sep 15 03:42 |
| dsmith_ | ahhhh ok... | Sep 15 03:42 |
| wallclimber | on the lid it just has the Vaio logo | Sep 15 03:42 |
| dsmith_ | welllllllll, it is boring for me | Sep 15 03:42 |
| _Hicham_ | wallclimber : http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-list.pl?mdl=VGNN130G&LOC=3 | Sep 15 03:43 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 03:44 | |
| wallclimber | yes, that's it, only this one is white | Sep 15 03:44 |
| balzac | lart | Sep 15 03:45 |
| wallclimber | balzac, you mean me? | Sep 15 03:47 |
| wallclimber | sorry...it's probably true...or maybe it's just that i'm very tired, it's been a long day | Sep 15 03:48 |
| *wallclimber has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Sep 15 03:48 | |
| dsmith_ | schestowitz: quakelive is free and plays on mac/win/linux via your browser now | Sep 15 03:48 |
| *zhrb has quit (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Sep 15 03:59 | |
| *Aondo has quit (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Sep 15 03:59 | |
| *[H]omer has quit (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Sep 15 03:59 | |
| *cubezzz has quit (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Sep 15 03:59 | |
| *zhrb (n=zrb@62.106.8.166) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 03:59 | |
| *Aondo (i=stian@193.71.154.133) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 03:59 | |
| *Will_ has quit ("Page closed") | Sep 15 04:10 | |
| *cubezzz (n=cubeman@204.225.123.154) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 04:15 | |
| *[H]omer (n=[H]omer@213.163.72.149) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 04:17 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to [H]omer | Sep 15 04:17 | |
| *twitter1 (n=willhill@97-113-230-249.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 04:21 | |
| twitter1 | what is "boogaloo"? | Sep 15 04:37 |
| twitter1 | hmmm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo | Sep 15 04:38 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@41.249.103.142) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 04:40 | |
| twitter1 | sounds like good stuff, nothing like Mono. | Sep 15 04:40 |
| dsmith_ | it was a childs carton during the 80's | Sep 15 04:43 |
| dsmith_ | lol | Sep 15 04:43 |
| twitter1 | On the left hand, you have Cuban, Puerto Rican and African Americans mixing it up in New York dive bars to create an interesting new music. On the right hand, you have drones hiding out in cubicles, slaving to push a corporate sponsored software effort. | Sep 15 04:43 |
| twitter1 | "Potemkim Villiage Experiment 2" is a lot closer. | Sep 15 04:44 |
| *dsmith_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Sep 15 04:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - The Ad Exception Myth http://tinyurl.com/r8pamr | Sep 15 05:09 | |
| *zlg has quit (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Sep 15 05:32 | |
| *zlg (i=3aa84932@gateway/web/freenode/x-drwjjyqqwpxxczlc) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 05:33 | |
| _Hicham_ | twitter1 : u here ? | Sep 15 05:37 |
| *jono has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 05:38 | |
| *jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 05:40 | |
| *twitter1 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 05:42 | |
| *twitter1 (n=willhill@97-113-230-249.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 05:43 | |
| _Hicham_ | wb twitter1 | Sep 15 05:49 |
| _Hicham_ | jono : why plymouth was refused in karmic ? | Sep 15 05:50 |
| *ThistleWeb has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Sep 15 05:52 | |
| jono | _Hicham_, I am not sure, I am not involved in the boot experience work | Sep 15 05:53 |
| tessier | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090908164954318 Wow check out the last update from RedHat | Sep 15 05:59 |
| tessier | Worse than I expected. Actual proof. | Sep 15 05:59 |
| _Hicham_ | this is ugly | Sep 15 06:04 |
| twitter1 | Has Red Hat published any of the sales literature? | Sep 15 06:12 |
| twitter1 | LOL, fat cats too busy collecting bonuses to pay taxes -> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aHBD..YJ9dBY | Sep 15 06:15 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter1 : do u pay taxes ? | Sep 15 06:16 |
| twitter1 | Some of the unpaid taxes go back to 1994. | Sep 15 06:16 |
| twitter1 | Fraud Street. | Sep 15 06:16 |
| *jono has quit ("Later, Skater") | Sep 15 06:19 | |
| *jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 06:20 | |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 06:29 | |
| *jono has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 06:46 | |
| *sebsebseb has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 07:03 | |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@41.249.36.44) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 07:04 | |
| *Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@68.238.49.173) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 07:37 | |
| schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/09/15/tourists-guide-to-microsofts-potemkin-village/ | Sep 15 07:38 |
| tessier | twitter1: That is what I was wondering. I would love to have some of that proof first-hand. I want the documents where Microsoft marketed the patents specifically for the purpose of trolling Linux. | Sep 15 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I wondered about that too | Sep 15 07:53 |
| schestowitz | It says they marketed them as Linux targeted | Sep 15 07:54 |
| schestowitz | As in, "this stuff is really useful if you're looking to attack Red Hat" (like Acacia did) | Sep 15 07:54 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 08:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Badmouths #Linux in 1998, Envisions a “Nightmare” http://ping.fm/w3GNT | Sep 15 08:40 | |
| *wallclimber (n=ozma@ip98-165-33-243.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 08:41 | |
| wallclimber | New York Times tricked into serving scareware ad | Sep 15 08:42 |
| wallclimber | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138038/New_York_Times_tricked_into_serving_scareware_ad | Sep 15 08:42 |
| *wallclimber has quit (Client Quit) | Sep 15 08:42 | |
| schestowitz | ^^^This is one among (at least) two memos where Myhrvold targets Linux before founding IV with Gates' support, to introduce scarcity with patents. | Sep 15 08:43 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber does the second part | Sep 15 08:44 |
| schestowitz | What ever happened to Bong search? It vanished off the headlines, spent many millions in advertising, and make little or no progress worldwide | Sep 15 08:51 |
| zlg | If you search Bing for "comes vs microsoft" BN is hit 1 and 3 | Sep 15 09:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't visit the Bong [sic] site | Sep 15 09:02 |
| schestowitz | HTML 5 http://www.webreference.com/authoring/languages/html/HTML5/ | Sep 15 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Another massive blow for Xbox | Sep 15 09:21 |
| zlg | Why use C? There is this lovely patents-encumbered language from" Did you mean C# in your iPhone article ? | Sep 15 09:21 |
| schestowitz | http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/20928/Xbox-Executive-Shane-Kim-Leaving-Microsoft/ | Sep 15 09:21 |
| schestowitz | zlg: no, it was correct. Sarcasm was not obvious. | Sep 15 09:21 |
| zlg | ahhok,, i get jokes :D | Sep 15 09:22 |
| *Omar87 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 09:27 | |
| *magentar (n=magentar@p4FC838C0.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 09:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Can anyone find a copy of this video? http://ping.fm/x2u6j #monkeyboy | Sep 15 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-patrick-swayze15-2009sep15,0,4483064.story << Patrick Swayze dies at 57 | Sep 15 09:48 |
| zlg | federal goverment is ordering Aus Telstra to break up, or the Gov will do it for them. | Sep 15 09:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] #keithfloyd will be sadly missed in this house. Many a Saturday morning spent sat with the kids, watching him cook on telly. RIP. | Sep 15 10:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wifey just said "It was Patrick Swayze who made me realise I'm hetrosexual". Nice one, thanks Patrick, RIP. | Sep 15 10:10 | |
| schestowitz | Mono guys shill for Silver Lie: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/199/ | Sep 15 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Meh. http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2009-09.html#e2009-09-15T00_54_17.txt | Sep 15 10:17 |
| *Python1320 has quit ("Pong timeout") | Sep 15 10:31 | |
| *Omar87 (n=omar@79.173.198.27.go.com.jo) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 10:34 | |
| *Python1320 (i=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 10:36 | |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 15 10:42 |
| trmanco | instead of attacking gnash, he could give them help then that he seem to be a smart ass | Sep 15 10:42 |
| trmanco | seems* | Sep 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Better ignore the little guy.... | Sep 15 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | to be fair, trmanco, gnash is pointless | Sep 15 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | flash is dead | Sep 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Let him follow MS board member de Icaza | Sep 15 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, I dont mind people writing software for legacy applications | Sep 15 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | but... meh | Sep 15 10:55 |
| trmanco | html will be the future | Sep 15 10:55 |
| trmanco | html5* | Sep 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Sep 15 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: its not even that | Sep 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Firefox deserves credit | Sep 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | ANd Opera pushed for it also | Sep 15 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | the biggest uses of flash I can do with javascript | Sep 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Google comes following | Sep 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | THey push up Ogg support, finally | Sep 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | FOllowing Firefox's coattails | Sep 15 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only thing I was missing was video, which html5 does do | Sep 15 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | everything else is javascript and css. | Sep 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | I just listened to FLOSS Weekly. He says he'd use Ogg when it's ready | Sep 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | He does streaming with Flash and wants to dump it | Sep 15 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | flash is so problematic for streaming | Sep 15 10:57 |
| schestowitz | jono was on the show not knowing that you can stream THeora | Sep 15 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: why theora when you can h264? | Sep 15 10:57 |
| trmanco | h264 is patented | Sep 15 10:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | so? | Sep 15 10:58 |
| trmanco | it's not free | Sep 15 10:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | its free beer. | Sep 15 10:58 |
| trmanco | so it doesn't belong in a free web | Sep 15 10:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | and theora isn't patent free either | Sep 15 10:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | someone, somewhere, has a patent on something theora does | Sep 15 10:59 |
| trmanco | I never said theora was "patent free" | Sep 15 10:59 |
| trmanco | wasn't* | Sep 15 10:59 |
| schestowitz | timbl has a strict policy on patents | Sep 15 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Since the beginning he would not let them into HTML | Sep 15 10:59 |
| schestowitz | APple plays nasty | Sep 15 10:59 |
| schestowitz | WIth its patents on HTML stuff | Sep 15 10:59 |
| trmanco | can you actually digg into the source of the h264 encoder? | Sep 15 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Nokia and Apple, not just Microsoft | Sep 15 10:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: yes? | Sep 15 11:00 |
| schestowitz | And Nokia is paof off h264 patent pool AFAIK | Sep 15 11:00 |
| schestowitz | So Nokia wants Flash | Sep 15 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | x264 is a very popular h264 encoder. | Sep 15 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also the defacto standard of encoders that dont suck | Sep 15 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | (something apple could learn) | Sep 15 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Apple? Learn? | Sep 15 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | apple basically isnt h264 compliant usefully | Sep 15 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | neither their decoder or encoder function right | Sep 15 11:01 |
| *dyfet (n=dyfet@pool-71-255-25-98.atclnj.east.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 11:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux More Snappy Than #OpenSolaris on Same Hardware http://bit.ly/l04Qr | Sep 15 11:04 | |
| trmanco | I didn't know x264 was gpl :| | Sep 15 11:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AMD Escapes #Windows, Uses #GNU #Linux to Do Some Real Work http://bit.ly/5ANdO | Sep 15 11:05 | |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, its kinda hard to shit on h264 when this much awesomeness is shoved into it | Sep 15 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | ffmpeg is the defacto quality decoder for h264 too | Sep 15 11:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #HP Machines Will Boot #Linux http://bit.ly/1pns1a | Sep 15 11:07 | |
| trmanco | putting line wrap at 72 won't break the links in knode? | Sep 15 11:08 |
| *magentar has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 11:11 | |
| *dyfet` has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 11:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Users Make More #Games Sales Than #OSX http://bit.ly/370Xj | Sep 15 11:11 | |
| *magentar (n=magentar@p4FC838C0.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 11:11 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I don't wrap | Sep 15 11:15 |
| schestowitz | But I put the button in my toolbar | Sep 15 11:15 |
| schestowitz | I use the scaling of the windows | Sep 15 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Long story.. | Sep 15 11:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "The average user LOVES Linux!" http://bit.ly/nIb8i | Sep 15 11:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More People Led to Using #GNU #Linux Due to Economy http://bit.ly/GWM6n | Sep 15 11:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Best #Linux 2.6.31 Features Listed http://bit.ly/FzbDM | Sep 15 11:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Makes #GFS2 for #Linux http://bit.ly/Fm8jE #gfs | Sep 15 11:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #GNU #Linux Platform Comes Before #Mac #OSX at #MoneyManagerEx http://bit.ly/uvXTq | Sep 15 11:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of #GNU #Linux Top #Applications for #Children http://bit.ly/17YH91 | Sep 15 11:32 | |
| *oiaohm (n=oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 11:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Mandriva #Linux on #64bit Machine http://bit.ly/PUhOl | Sep 15 11:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #K Desktop Environment the Most Popular Desktop, According to Large Poll http://bit.ly/QR0R8 #kde #kde4 #goodness | Sep 15 11:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of the New #Trisquel #GNU #Linux ( #Dwyn ) http://bit.ly/ng73U | Sep 15 11:42 | |
| trmanco | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/group-test-newsreaders | Sep 15 11:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gecko #Edubook Powered by #GNU #Linux ( #Ubuntu Derivative) http://bit.ly/3Vkx1x | Sep 15 11:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Home Energy Management System Powered by #Linux http://bit.ly/IF06h | Sep 15 11:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #gNewSense 2.3 Released, Put on #USB , Reviewed http://bit.ly/IG01p http://bit.ly/vGK5R http://bit.ly/3dEOIR | Sep 15 11:52 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, seen it | Sep 15 11:54 |
| schestowitz | knode last | Sep 15 11:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #CentOS Complements #RedHat , New Partnership for Red Hat http://bit.ly/DmnT2 http://bit.ly/kyhWp | Sep 15 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | knode does have some improvements over previous version | Sep 15 11:54 |
| schestowitz | It takes a while to find them, though | Sep 15 11:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sub-notebooks to Continue Growth (Help #GNU #Linux, Kill #Microsoft Margins) http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090914PD201.html http://b ... | Sep 15 11:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's #Linux Tablet Tried to Build Bigger #Community http://bit.ly/6ZoQN | Sep 15 11:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at #Haiku OS Beta 1 http://bit.ly/RcwR4 | Sep 15 12:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SpiceBird 0.7 is Coming Soon http://bit.ly/1nkoB4 | Sep 15 12:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple 's 'Open Source' #PR Endeavour Not Helpful to #Linux http://bit.ly/R2eUS | Sep 15 12:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Purely #FreeSoftware 'Clouds' in Review http://bit.ly/Ac1s0 http://bit.ly/17tyyi | Sep 15 12:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] First impressions of Mint 7 XCFE - It's GLORIOUS. Time for another wipe and switch methinks. Pity it comes with Moonlight installed though | Sep 15 12:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Admits #AutoRun Was a Mistake (and Why #GNU #Linux Got it Right) http://bit.ly/LUnxt | Sep 15 12:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CodePlex Foundation a Shill for #SoftwarePatents and #Microsoft http://bit.ly/49dtW2 http://bit.ly/YEdBi | Sep 15 12:25 | |
| *Omar871 (n=omar@86.108.51.253.go.com.jo) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 12:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Microsoft Vice President Quits http://bit.ly/YF18M | Sep 15 12:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company That Microsoft Wasted $6 Billion on is Falling Apart (Exodus) http://bit.ly/XLnR1 | Sep 15 12:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ballmer Dances on Stage as Company Falls to Pieces, Staff Angered http://bit.ly/4ceAje | Sep 15 12:29 | |
| *Omar87 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 12:42 | |
| *fewa (n=fewa@unaffiliated/fewa) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 12:51 | |
| *trmanco has quit ("User of drwxr-xr-x.org services") | Sep 15 13:18 | |
| *trmanco (n=trmanco@drwxr-xr-x.org) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 13:23 | |
| *trmanco is now known as Guest94855 | Sep 15 13:24 | |
| Guest94855 | ahhh crap | Sep 15 13:28 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 15 13:29 |
| *Guest94855 is now known as trmanco | Sep 15 13:29 | |
| trmanco | bouncer is going f00 b4r | Sep 15 13:29 |
| trmanco | I think everything is back to normal again | Sep 15 13:30 |
| trmanco | http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/09/oxygen-is-dead-long-live-oxygen.html | Sep 15 13:31 |
| oiaohm | http://itnews.com.au/News/155673,isps-asked-to-cut-off-malware-infected-pcs.aspx Hmm schestowitz is afk. I like the idea | Sep 15 13:33 |
| MinceR | it would be nice | Sep 15 13:36 |
| MinceR | no more problems with IE and m$html | Sep 15 13:36 |
| MinceR | no more problems with crApple idiot boxes being vulnerable | Sep 15 13:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Opened fridge. Teenagers appear to be locusts with angst. | Sep 15 13:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Photos of electron clouds around an atom. Holy crap. http://bit.ly/kTAxH | Sep 15 13:40 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yay | Sep 15 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I was just doing some posts about security | Sep 15 13:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Microsoft to Windows XP users: no security fix for you, haha fuck you http://is.gd/3iz7x | Sep 15 13:52 | |
| oiaohm | Thing most people miss is the clock is ticking on how much longer anti-virus software can work. | Sep 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Already some anti-viruses disable while games are running. | Sep 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Sooner or latter that will be exploited. | Sep 15 13:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android #Phones to Avoid: #LG http://ping.fm/fancC #racketeering #ballnux #patent #linux | Sep 15 14:03 | |
| zlg | would the iPhone be on the list schestowitz ? | Sep 15 14:05 |
| zlg | or the .net version anyway | Sep 15 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Mutex. WHy? | Sep 15 14:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Infected #Windows PCs May be Banned From the #Internet in #Australia http://ping.fm/c3Joe | Sep 15 14:21 | |
| oiaohm | There is one down side to the infected machine ban. | Sep 15 14:24 |
| oiaohm | 200 computer network what one is infected causing the ban. | Sep 15 14:24 |
| *dyfet` (n=dyfet@pool-72-75-136-11.atclnj.east.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 14:29 | |
| zlg | the drafted code does not mention diconnection, it's says 1,Identify 2,Contect the person 3, tech them how to lock their door 4, Report (tell on them), but disconnection would be a good step if after all that they still are infecting. | Sep 15 14:38 |
| oiaohm | its counter bot net nothing else so far as worked. | Sep 15 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Anti-virus software and anti-malware are being defeated. | Sep 15 14:43 |
| *dyfet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 14:44 | |
| oiaohm | We are at the end of times for non secure OS's or the end of times for the Internet. | Sep 15 14:44 |
| zlg | os security and the internet are tradeoffs, all OS's are non-secure to some degree, but the internet itself was not designed with security in mind nuclear attacks yes, high security no, All high end secure systems are not net connected. | Sep 15 14:51 |
| zlg | or should not be net connected, at least | Sep 15 14:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] bah, taking all the fun out of system administration http://bit.ly/15A3mM | Sep 15 14:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is #Microsoft Making #WindowsXP Illegal for Use on the Internet? http://ping.fm/ZuHG9 | Sep 15 15:00 | |
| oiaohm | zig define insecure. | Sep 15 15:04 |
| oiaohm | How simple is it to fully audit a windows system zig | Sep 15 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Windows is the only OS I know of that creating a driver that is a rootkit is a tolleratable thing as long as the root kit is for copy protection. | Sep 15 15:05 |
| oiaohm | So just because something in a Windows OS looks hostile you cannot remove it because software people are using depend on it. | Sep 15 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Note most ISP's in Australia have provided Linux distributions as downloads that don't count to quota including updates. | Sep 15 15:07 |
| amarsh04 | my isp has a full debian mirror (-: | Sep 15 15:09 |
| zlg | yes, I do know that, I also know that bigpond, telstra's ISP used to have a heap of FOSS apps and Linux versions on their unmetered site for it's clients, but I have not been able to find it in the past few weeks. | Sep 15 15:09 |
| zlg | Might of been taken down, which is a shame because they had all the OSS doco's there as well. | Sep 15 15:10 |
| zlg | documentries. | Sep 15 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Telstra internally is kinda in chaos at moment. | Sep 15 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Being split in 2 kinda causes that. | Sep 15 15:11 |
| zlg | the Fed Gov today made legislation that Aus Telstra has to split it's wholsaleand retail arms, or th eGov will do it for them. | Sep 15 15:11 |
| oiaohm | How can I say share price fall. | Sep 15 15:12 |
| zlg | Australian Government is really pissed of with Telstra because they failed to provide a bid for our NBN, (natinal broadband network). | Sep 15 15:13 |
| zlg | share price fell 5% on the news. | Sep 15 15:13 |
| zlg | I actually thought Australian Telstra was very Pro linux but with that download page gone, i dont know. | Sep 15 15:14 |
| oiaohm | http://fridrich.blogspot.com/2009/09/in-case-you-need-to-build-some-binaries.html << Ok what the OpenSuse built service supporting building dos application. | Sep 15 15:14 |
| *wallclimber (n=ozma@ip98-165-33-243.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 15:17 | |
| oiaohm | Telstra is very pro linux when it comes to price talking with MS zlg | Sep 15 15:18 |
| zlg | thats what I thought from their download page, from their unmetered downloads. | Sep 15 15:19 |
| zlg | there is NO doubt that linux is the server farm and ISP;s best friend. | Sep 15 15:20 |
| oiaohm | It would be funny to the the days of early internet reversed. | Sep 15 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Where configuration information was not provided for non windows users. | Sep 15 15:22 |
| oiaohm | But this time windows cut out. | Sep 15 15:22 |
| zlg | before the WWW we can all go back to telnet and FTP, and before that BBS's. oh the 80's :) | Sep 15 15:22 |
| zlg | flash up kermit | Sep 15 15:22 |
| MinceR | if they're only pro-linux in price talks, that's worthless | Sep 15 15:23 |
| fewa | oiaohm, its the i9/11 | Sep 15 15:24 |
| fewa | they are creating the excuse from a drastic attack on the nature on the internet | Sep 15 15:24 |
| oiaohm | This is no 9/11 | Sep 15 15:24 |
| zlg | MincR thats right its criminal in many places not to provide balance in pricing | Sep 15 15:24 |
| fewa | a virus-prone culture is a essential element | Sep 15 15:24 |
| oiaohm | At some point anti-virus will be too heavy for computers to operate. | Sep 15 15:25 |
| oiaohm | At the rate of growth in items that have to be searched for. | Sep 15 15:25 |
| fewa | oiaohm, http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=277 | Sep 15 15:26 |
| fewa | Richard Clarke has confirmed that a iPatriot act is already written | Sep 15 15:26 |
| fewa | now they just need a excuse, some post-facto justification | Sep 15 15:26 |
| zlg | thats sounds bad | Sep 15 15:26 |
| fewa | to radically change the nature of the internet | Sep 15 15:27 |
| oiaohm | virus-prone culture is different to 9/11 issue. | Sep 15 15:27 |
| oiaohm | The bot nets in operation one set in one attack basically disconnected australia from the internet due to load. | Sep 15 15:28 |
| *amarsh04 still uses C-Kermit every day | Sep 15 15:28 | |
| fewa | oiaohm, Wll, I am diviating from lessig's predictive analagy | Sep 15 15:28 |
| oiaohm | We are getting to the point where there will be no option bar hard options. | Sep 15 15:29 |
| fewa | Its the iPatriot act part that is important | Sep 15 15:29 |
| zlg | well it took out a telstra server in Sydney, the adelade server farm and all of Alice springs. | Sep 15 15:29 |
| fewa | and a post-facto justification is essential to enact it | Sep 15 15:29 |
| zlg | From a bot net attack from russia to an online gambline company. | Sep 15 15:29 |
| oiaohm | Damage from bot net attacks are getting massive fewa | Sep 15 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Cost of sept 11 almost looks like nothing. | Sep 15 15:30 |
| fewa | and because Microsoft owns the biggest bot net of them all, they can be the puppet | Sep 15 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Problem here fewa | Sep 15 15:32 |
| oiaohm | More and more countries are stoping using Windows. | Sep 15 15:32 |
| fewa | *puppet master | Sep 15 15:32 |
| oiaohm | So all using MS as a puppet master will do is destroy MS. | Sep 15 15:32 |
| fewa | Well that is the anti-dote | Sep 15 15:32 |
| oiaohm | MS design flaws goes back to when they entered the market. | Sep 15 15:33 |
| oiaohm | The virus problem has been growing ever since MS decided to out source secuirty. | Sep 15 15:34 |
| fewa | Diversity in operating systems and applications shows the value of the democratic nature of the existing network | Sep 15 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Even when MS did it the problem was prodicted to grow out of control. | Sep 15 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Ok the predictions got the time line wrong. | Sep 15 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Most of the predictions said critical mass would be around 2002. | Sep 15 15:35 |
| fewa | oiaohm, who made the predictions? | Sep 15 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Dig back threw cert arcive of 1993. | Sep 15 15:36 |
| fewa | limitations of IPv4 and NATs held it back alot.... ? | Sep 15 15:36 |
| oiaohm | you will find all the old clean up crews for Unix predicted todays problems. | Sep 15 15:36 |
| oiaohm | NAT has slowed it. | Sep 15 15:37 |
| oiaohm | The lack of take up of IPv6 has helped. | Sep 15 15:37 |
| fewa | monoculture & no control --> woorse network | Sep 15 15:37 |
| *gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 15:37 | |
| oiaohm | monoculture not the worse problem. | Sep 15 15:38 |
| fewa | that network inefficiencies are the only last obstacle to the bugs..... | Sep 15 15:38 |
| fewa | its monoculture with no control | Sep 15 15:38 |
| fewa | Control is the antidote to monoculture | Sep 15 15:38 |
| fewa | infact no control isn't culture at all | Sep 15 15:38 |
| oiaohm | secuirty framework design documents core was writen in the 1970's | Sep 15 15:39 |
| oiaohm | So it was more than straight forward to see the problem in the 1993 as windows started being used more in networks. | Sep 15 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Due to the existance of good designs and documents what MS has done is nothing more than neglence. | Sep 15 15:40 |
| fewa | a crime | Sep 15 15:40 |
| fewa | liable for billions in damages | Sep 15 15:41 |
| oiaohm | What do you mean billions. | Sep 15 15:41 |
| oiaohm | The damages is trillions. | Sep 15 15:41 |
| fewa | well ok | Sep 15 15:41 |
| fewa | I like to read some numbers | Sep 15 15:41 |
| fewa | *would | Sep 15 15:42 |
| oiaohm | One of the largest single events they would be in the hole for is 200 billions. | Sep 15 15:42 |
| oiaohm | So it would be in the trillions. | Sep 15 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Also remember the first worm's are also from the 1970~ | Sep 15 15:43 |
| oiaohm | First bot net is from the 1980's | Sep 15 15:44 |
| oiaohm | So nothing that is happing to us is new. | Sep 15 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Speed is the only thing people predicting got wrong. | Sep 15 15:44 |
| zlg | oiaohm, do you have a link to your 1970 worm and 80's bot net please ? | Sep 15 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Look up the first worm it was a shell script create. | Sep 15 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Under early unix zlg | Sep 15 15:45 |
| oiaohm | First bot net was a rappid way to get control of a cluster. | Sep 15 15:46 |
| oiaohm | To deal with an issue. | Sep 15 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes not done for evil but the people who did it could see how it could be used for evil. | Sep 15 15:47 |
| zlg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Worm | Sep 15 15:48 |
| *jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 15:48 | |
| oiaohm | Ok that is the first one released on the internet zlg | Sep 15 15:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Microsoft Vice President Quits, “ #aQuantive Exodus” Reported by Microsoft Blog http://ping.fm/hKPIG | Sep 15 15:49 | |
| oiaohm | There is a way older one before that zlg | Sep 15 15:49 |
| fewa | has anyone sued Microsoft for negligence yet? | Sep 15 15:49 |
| schestowitz | zlg: is mutex | Sep 15 15:49 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasser_%28computer_worm%29 | Sep 15 15:50 |
| oiaohm | No MS has not been sued for negligence | Sep 15 15:50 |
| fewa | seen Windows get this one over dial-up in 5 minutes | Sep 15 15:50 |
| schestowitz | We should have banned mutex as a matter of principle despite all those new cloaks | Sep 15 15:50 |
| oiaohm | First worm was a major screw up like the malissia worm due to the internet not existance it only effected one company zlg | Sep 15 15:52 |
| fewa | Maybe Windows security is like car safety of the 70s | Sep 15 15:53 |
| zlg | yes, and from memory it was a telephone company | Sep 15 15:53 |
| zlg | mabey Bell | Sep 15 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Yep Bell in the 1970s | Sep 15 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Newest thing is polymophic viruses. | Sep 15 15:54 |
| fewa | the myth of the "evil magical hacker who can see everything you do" analogous to the "crazy behind the wheel" myth | Sep 15 15:54 |
| oiaohm | That is 1990's when advanced forms of that appeared. | Sep 15 15:54 |
| fewa | While the engineeers of both systems have known for years that the systems are highly insecure and when they try to act up get the hush treatment | Sep 15 15:55 |
| oiaohm | I have to study security history to predict future attacks. | Sep 15 15:55 |
| fewa | *both as in car companies, and as in certain software vendors | Sep 15 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Most current day attacks are completely boring when you know the histories of secuirty flaws. | Sep 15 15:56 |
| fewa | exact | Sep 15 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Its more like not another one. | Sep 15 15:56 |
| zlg | most effective attacks are social | Sep 15 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Tech to make buffer overflow attacks not work was created in the 1980's. | Sep 15 15:57 |
| oiaohm | yet lot of OS's don't have it in there compliers. | Sep 15 15:57 |
| fewa | just like engineers knew the rear wheel turning of the Corsair make it liable to over steer and roll over | Sep 15 15:57 |
| zlg | also to detect Overflows in the source as potential problems | Sep 15 15:57 |
| fewa | zlg, then why are there so many remotly exploitable flaws in Windows | Sep 15 15:58 |
| oiaohm | No way code is built. | Sep 15 15:58 |
| fewa | ???? | Sep 15 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Can mean even if a buffer overflow is there. | Sep 15 15:58 |
| oiaohm | in the source code it cannot be exploited. | Sep 15 15:58 |
| fewa | zlg, your just pushing that "idiot behind the keyboard" arguement | Sep 15 15:58 |
| oiaohm | In the final binary. | Sep 15 15:58 |
| fewa | zlg, when Windows is inherently insecure | Sep 15 15:59 |
| oiaohm | social attacks are effective but without a flawed OS social attacks cannot be massively affective. | Sep 15 15:59 |
| fewa | zlg, Vista 7 even runs calc.exe when full priviliages to the entire system | Sep 15 15:59 |
| zlg | if you dont take responsibility for your own security, who is ? And I dont know why MS does anything, nor do I care, im not MS. | Sep 15 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie non flawed OS gives a person extra chances to back out before they lose everything. | Sep 15 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Wrong zlg | Sep 15 15:59 |
| fewa | zlg, exactly, switch to Linux, where you can actually have a secure system | Sep 15 15:59 |
| zlg | sure | Sep 15 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people don't have an option to work by selecting Linux. | Sep 15 16:00 |
| oiaohm | So they are not in control. | Sep 15 16:00 |
| oiaohm | so cannot be held responsable. | Sep 15 16:00 |
| fewa | and the viruses have more control | Sep 15 16:00 |
| zlg | no thats right, | Sep 15 16:00 |
| fewa | because the majority of Windows "security" is just theatre | Sep 15 16:00 |
| oiaohm | MS should be held responsable. | Sep 15 16:01 |
| fewa | zlg, http://www.pretentiousname.com/misc/win7_uac_whitelist2.html | Sep 15 16:01 |
| fewa | Clearly predatory and anti-competitive design from the start | Sep 15 16:01 |
| fewa | designed to look like security while providing none | Sep 15 16:01 |
| oiaohm | If someone else shiped a highly defective product that has killed as many people they would be out of business. Numbers of deaths linked to windows secuirty problems has crossed the 1/2 a million mark world wide. | Sep 15 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Name me another product that has killed 1/2 million people and is still on the market. | Sep 15 16:02 |
| zlg | how did they die ? | Sep 15 16:03 |
| fewa | Little Boy | Sep 15 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Lots of different ways. | Sep 15 16:03 |
| fewa | Fat Man | Sep 15 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Most nasty was been zaped by a Xray machine zlg | Sep 15 16:03 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: zllg is a troll, Microsoft apologist | Sep 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | He was bannned like 20 times already, under different names | Sep 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | It's a waste of time | Sep 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | He'd argue that Microsoft is all OK and this channel will be drowned with noise | Sep 15 16:04 |
| zlg | im not a ms anything, that xray machine, do you mean the NMR made by the canadian nuclear commision ? | Sep 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Like Kos having to deal with Bush fans | Sep 15 16:05 |
| oiaohm | There are product that has killed over 1/2 million people and still market. | Sep 15 16:05 |
| oiaohm | They are called weapons. | Sep 15 16:05 |
| zlg | ahh ok | Sep 15 16:05 |
| oiaohm | And most countries require a licence to own them. | Sep 15 16:05 |
| wallclimber | also planes trains and automobiles | Sep 15 16:05 |
| oiaohm | zlg: control systems. | Sep 15 16:06 |
| oiaohm | It scarry how many things have Windows based OS control systems zlg | Sep 15 16:06 |
| oiaohm | With a xray machine you don't want the OS controlling the ammount of Xray to fail. | Sep 15 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Lot of individual companies are no more because they used Windows for items that could be life or death. | Sep 15 16:08 |
| fewa | and Microsoft actively promotes this while putting pretending not to | Sep 15 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Its also lack of goverment regulation. When building a car you have road rules to follow on safety bits. But when selecting OS for something like a Xray control interface you have no goverment regs. | Sep 15 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Both can equally kill people. | Sep 15 16:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Cringely on how Google atually works, fsvo http://is.gd/3iMPk | Sep 15 16:11 | |
| zlg | there are laws relating to liability due to its failure, especially if death or injury results. | Sep 15 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Not the poor sod with the Xray machine took 10 days to die. | Sep 15 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Not/Note | Sep 15 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Not the way I want to go ever. | Sep 15 16:12 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeper_virus << Hmm I just found a older worm. | Sep 15 16:13 |
| oiaohm | 1971 | Sep 15 16:13 |
| fewa | tort suits are significantly down, except between corporations | Sep 15 16:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wanted: Copy of Steve Ballmer’s Latest “Embarrassing” Public Appearance http://ping.fm/Ji3fH | Sep 15 16:13 | |
| fewa | there was significantly more tort suits per capita in 1900 than today | Sep 15 16:13 |
| *BRBT_ is now known as Balrog | Sep 15 16:14 | |
| oiaohm | zlg MS gets out of it. MS market paper work for windows ce and xp embeded says stable and secure OS. | Sep 15 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Poor companies dump enough to use it. End up taken out by the liability over the death. | Sep 15 16:16 |
| oiaohm | So have no money to sue MS for miss leading documentation. | Sep 15 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Sooner or latter MS will go down for deaths. | Sep 15 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Until then people in the secuirty world will just keep on logging the toll. | Sep 15 16:17 |
| zlg | Therac-25 radiation therapy machine is I think what you are talking about, it was neither Net connected, or Windows or Linux, it was custom code | Sep 15 16:18 |
| *twitter1 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 16:18 | |
| zlg | http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib/Therac_25/Therac_1.html | Sep 15 16:18 |
| schestowitz | bbl. Keep an eye on known troll Mutex (zlg). He really shouldn't be here after many repeated bans. | Sep 15 16:19 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to wallclimber | Sep 15 16:19 | |
| oiaohm | No that is not the one I am refering to zlg | Sep 15 16:19 |
| zlg | ok | Sep 15 16:20 |
| MinceR | irc actually has a function that solves the "really shouldn't be here" kind of situation. :> | Sep 15 16:20 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceR | Sep 15 16:20 | |
| oiaohm | MRI systems ... and so on advanced imaging releated zlg ones than need 3d display software. | Sep 15 16:21 |
| oiaohm | Some of them have the means to use radition to treat tumers and the like zlg | Sep 15 16:21 |
| oiaohm | not the beast you want playing up. | Sep 15 16:21 |
| zlg | yes, they do, like that theric-25 but its quite old. | Sep 15 16:22 |
| zlg | It probably did not use 3d, but it was for treatment | Sep 15 16:22 |
| MinceR | thx | Sep 15 16:22 |
| oiaohm | More modern forms of the theric-25 | Sep 15 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Way more modern.. | Sep 15 16:22 |
| zlg | yes, agree | Sep 15 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Some of the makers of them are no more. | Sep 15 16:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Firefox on the run! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8255906.stm | Sep 15 16:23 | |
| oiaohm | Due to using windows based interfaces zlg | Sep 15 16:23 |
| oiaohm | The cost of windows is huge. | Sep 15 16:23 |
| zlg | my interest is software failures and software quality, so im keen to find out more. | Sep 15 16:25 |
| oiaohm | If you dig around there are enough good examples of OS core failures. | Sep 15 16:26 |
| oiaohm | With windows causing major problems. | Sep 15 16:26 |
| fewa | zlg, youve played that "I'm an expert" bullshit since day one, and then you have consistantly spouted junk | Sep 15 16:26 |
| zlg | I do dig around all the time, | Sep 15 16:26 |
| zlg | fewa, fair enough. | Sep 15 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Yet you will find very few in linux and other OS based devices. | Sep 15 16:27 |
| wallclimber | zlg, where, exactly, do you dig around? | Sep 15 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Even that Windows is only a really small percent of the embed market. | Sep 15 16:27 |
| MinceR | he digs around in the sandbox :> | Sep 15 16:28 |
| wallclimber | ick, cats have usually been there first... | Sep 15 16:29 |
| oiaohm | I have the job assisting in the investagion after some of these software caused problems zlg | Sep 15 16:29 |
| zlg | slashdot, LT, zdnet, cnet, and all the links from LT to it's sites including this one | Sep 15 16:29 |
| oiaohm | Lot of them don't make news. | Sep 15 16:29 |
| oiaohm | NDA for payouts basically. | Sep 15 16:30 |
| zlg | Not wanting to upset fewa about me, I do alot of that as well. | Sep 15 16:30 |
| oiaohm | What conner or insurance company do you work with. | Sep 15 16:31 |
| oiaohm | I work on the insurance side. | Sep 15 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Mostly to know if I will run into you. | Sep 15 16:32 |
| zlg | i own my own technology company, I contract to the ADF and do alot of maritime systems work, and SCADA systems engineering. | Sep 15 16:32 |
| oiaohm | Ok we might cross each other one day. | Sep 15 16:33 |
| zlg | Also a mobile country NSW (North) IT tech on contract for Westpac. | Sep 15 16:33 |
| zlg | AAPT actually but end user is Westpac | Sep 15 16:33 |
| oiaohm | So you would not be sorting threw medical screws ups. | Sep 15 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Ie device or human error. | Sep 15 16:34 |
| wallclimber | oiaohm, do the medical "screw ups" happen a lot? | Sep 15 16:35 |
| zlg | no, but I do alot of electronics repairs and calibrations on medical equipment at the same place i do the ADF Comms systems | Sep 15 16:35 |
| trmanco | netbeans looks better in kde than in gnome | Sep 15 16:35 |
| trmanco | fonts are bigger | Sep 15 16:35 |
| oiaohm | wallclimber: sorry to say if you mean about 1 in 10 000 operations is a lot. | Sep 15 16:36 |
| wallclimber | yes, that seems a lot to me | Sep 15 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Lot are minor no human killing things. | Sep 15 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie detected as gone wrong and staff corrected. | Sep 15 16:37 |
| zlg | in Aus ? I would have thought it would have been higher than that, but I guess there are alot of op's and things to go wrong. | Sep 15 16:37 |
| oiaohm | That is device releated zlg | Sep 15 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes its higher. | Sep 15 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Docs can even screw up with no device to help. | Sep 15 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Human killing is around 1 in 1 million in a good year. | Sep 15 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Bad year about 1 in 100 000 | Sep 15 16:39 |
| wallclimber | how does a person find out if hospital equipment use microsoft? | Sep 15 16:39 |
| wallclimber | *uses* | Sep 15 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Not that simple wallclimber | Sep 15 16:39 |
| oiaohm | There is no branding to tell you. | Sep 15 16:39 |
| oiaohm | You would have to basically look up the specs of the device if you can get your hands on them. | Sep 15 16:40 |
| wallclimber | I'm facing a possible surgery...that's why i asked | Sep 15 16:40 |
| oiaohm | Its all kinds of things. | Sep 15 16:40 |
| oiaohm | From medical records stored in windows getting damaged. | Sep 15 16:41 |
| wallclimber | i don't suppose the techs would know? | Sep 15 16:41 |
| zlg | I can think of only one peice of medical equipment that had a Win 95 GUI, im trying to think what it was, something techo, | Sep 15 16:41 |
| zlg | I think it was a heart analysis device with a touch screen, that fourier analysis of the heart waveform | Sep 15 16:41 |
| oiaohm | To something with a embed windows XP with custom interface so you cannot see that windows is there. | Sep 15 16:42 |
| trmanco | can anybody point me to a good article explaining top? | Sep 15 16:42 |
| oiaohm | Basically if it don't have a graphical display you can basically trust Window is not in there wallclimber | Sep 15 16:42 |
| oiaohm | The rest it is very hard to sort out. | Sep 15 16:42 |
| trmanco | and explanation of all those CPU:-> stats would be great | Sep 15 16:43 |
| oiaohm | man top does don't tell you enough trmanco | Sep 15 16:43 |
| trmanco | nop | Sep 15 16:43 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 16:44 | |
| zlg | wallclimber, I hope for nothing too bad !!, I had major (13 hour) cancer surgury 2 years ago, it all seemed to work ok. | Sep 15 16:44 |
| trmanco | ah | Sep 15 16:44 |
| trmanco | actually, the man page is enough | Sep 15 16:44 |
| wallclimber | zlg, i don't really know how bad, yet...hoping for the best | Sep 15 16:46 |
| wallclimber | :) | Sep 15 16:46 |
| zlg | good, So do i. | Sep 15 16:46 |
| trmanco | but one is missing from the manpage | Sep 15 16:46 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 15 16:46 |
| trmanco | forget it, id->idle | Sep 15 16:47 |
| trmanco | but this entry is missing from the man page | Sep 15 16:47 |
| fewa | oiaohm left... | Sep 15 16:48 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 15 16:49 |
| fewa | I don't think he got my Littly Boy/Fat Man comments | Sep 15 16:49 |
| zlg | I noticed it, but I thought it was a bit before MS's or UNIX's time for that matter :) | Sep 15 16:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @michaelnolan My breast cancer 3-day journey, from 1 step to 60 miles - Please RT http://digg.com/u1CYLh | Sep 15 16:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @brionv Wikimedia's retiring some more old servers; looking for non-profits who can make good use of them: http://ur1.ca/bqee | Sep 15 16:58 | |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@41.250.226.240) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 16:59 | |
| _Hicham_ | hi wallclimber | Sep 15 16:59 |
| wallclimber | hi! | Sep 15 16:59 |
| wallclimber | how are you today? | Sep 15 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | i am fine thank u | Sep 15 16:59 |
| wallclimber | :) | Sep 15 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | what about u? did u fix the laptop ? | Sep 15 17:00 |
| wallclimber | well, it's running ok now, all things considered... | Sep 15 17:00 |
| wallclimber | i had to take a break from it, | Sep 15 17:01 |
| wallclimber | it's easy to forget the things that are so annoying about windows after not using it for so long | Sep 15 17:02 |
| trmanco | ARM Joins The Linux Foundation: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2009/09/arm-joins-linux-foundation | Sep 15 17:02 |
| *hicham_ (n=hicham@41.250.226.240) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 17:11 | |
| *gmzlj (n=gmzlj@99.236.163.7) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 17:21 | |
| fewa | trmanco, what does it mean to be in the Linux Foundation? | Sep 15 17:21 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 17:21 | |
| trmanco | members | Sep 15 17:22 |
| trmanco | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/join/corporate | Sep 15 17:23 |
| *hicham_ is now known as _Hicham_ | Sep 15 17:23 | |
| _Hicham_ | senior schestowitz | Sep 15 17:23 |
| fewa | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2009/09/2631-out "the much-publicized “hv” drivers from Microsoft (though those may be removed before too long since the developers seem to have lost interest in maintaining them)," proof that it was purely for GPL-compliance purposes | Sep 15 17:25 |
| fewa | and even after all that spin MS is still MS | Sep 15 17:25 |
| fewa | what the difference between Marvell and ARM? | Sep 15 17:29 |
| MinceR | Marvell is a company, ARM is an architecture | Sep 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | afaik | Sep 15 17:34 |
| fewa | ARM is also a company | Sep 15 17:34 |
| fewa | ARM Holdings | Sep 15 17:35 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Holdings of cambridge UK | Sep 15 17:36 |
| MinceR | Arm is also a faction in Total Annihilation | Sep 15 17:36 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvell_Technology_Group of Santa Clara, CA, US | Sep 15 17:36 |
| _Hicham_ | i have a Marvell Ethernet Card | Sep 15 17:38 |
| fewa | I have a SheevaPlug | Sep 15 17:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have a large dick. | Sep 15 17:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz hacked-up N900 possibilities http://bit.ly/QzwoO | Sep 15 17:47 | |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : no bad words plz | Sep 15 18:02 |
| wallclimber | lol, i didn't notice the bad word...I just thought he had a large detective living at his house | Sep 15 18:14 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 18:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] exciting ideas to make your company happy and productive so anyone good won't run screaming http://www.slate.com/id/2226312/ | Sep 15 18:16 | |
| *Omar871 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 18:19 | |
| *jono has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 18:21 | |
| wallclimber | Am reading up on how to secure wireless routers. | Sep 15 18:32 |
| wallclimber | Linksys WRTU54G-TM Hotspot wireless G. | Sep 15 18:33 |
| wallclimber | in particular. | Sep 15 18:33 |
| *magentar has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 18:33 | |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@41.250.226.240) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 18:35 | |
| *fewa has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | Sep 15 18:55 | |
| tessier | http://www.sans.org/top-cyber-security-risks/ good stuff | Sep 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | British TV firm dumps Silverlight http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/15/itv_flash/ | Sep 15 19:04 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 19:17 | |
| schestowitz | Google Russia Loses CTO To Mail.ru http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/15/google-russia-loses-cto-to-mailru | Sep 15 19:20 |
| *PetoKraus has quit ("Leaving") | Sep 15 19:26 | |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 19:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Já ia apanhando um choque hoje... | Sep 15 19:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hora de fazer o jantar! | Sep 15 19:34 | |
| *Omar87 (n=omar@86.108.51.253.go.com.jo) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 19:37 | |
| *_gmzlj (n=gmzlj@CPE00195b76b288-CM00223a6ef767.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 19:41 | |
| *PetoKraus has quit ("Leaving") | Sep 15 19:46 | |
| *_goblin (n=goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 19:48 | |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 19:49 | |
| *gmzlj has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) | Sep 15 19:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Come on Monty, I made 2 replies which you havent posted on your site... http://tinyurl.com/l7pnsf #microsoft #codeplex #foss #linux #windows | Sep 15 19:51 | |
| MinceR | 191708 <@wallclimber> lol, i didn't notice the bad word...I just thought he had a large detective living at his house | Sep 15 20:06 |
| MinceR | or a large warlock. | Sep 15 20:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @polljack: Is composting food waste a good idea? Vote YES to skew the Daily Mail's latest stupid poll: http://is.gd/3iepN | Sep 15 20:21 | |
| _goblin | schestowitz: is it ok to use this picture of yours (full credit will be given) http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/microsoft-silverlight.jpg | Sep 15 20:24 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: sure. Just flush twice after you use it. | Sep 15 20:26 |
| _goblin | thanks mate! | Sep 15 20:28 |
| *wallclimber has quit ("wallclimber wanders off...") | Sep 15 20:30 | |
| *Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.93.138.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft press wents SF.net to fail..... http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=259370&t=01005232244381733972 | Sep 15 20:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] ITV dumps Silverlight for Flash : http://tinyurl.com/qnkob7 #microsoft #silverlight #flash Bad news for Microsoft? | Sep 15 20:50 | |
| *DaemonFC (n=ryan@c-69-245-224-210.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 20:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin Silverlight: nobody cares http://is.gd/3jiYa | Sep 15 20:59 | |
| DaemonFC | Ogg Vorbis player if anyone is interested: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855125106&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL091509&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL091509-_-MP3MP4Players-_-LE3A-_-55125106 | Sep 15 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | same kind I have, they're back on sale | Sep 15 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | they also take Micro SDHC cards for expansion | Sep 15 21:09 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@41.249.87.12) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 21:13 | |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC the encoder is here | Sep 15 21:13 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonCodec | Sep 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 15 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | The president called a friend of mine personally, apparently | Sep 15 21:16 |
| _Hicham_ | u r white and the president is black, how comes that ? | Sep 15 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | the immigration courts have been dicking her around even though she was smuggled here as a baby and even she has no idea where she's from | Sep 15 21:16 |
| _Hicham_ | unless u have a black friend | Sep 15 21:16 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, then she is ur GF | Sep 15 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | she only knows English, has lived here for the last 24 years | Sep 15 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | and the fucking courts keep denying her citizenshipo | Sep 15 21:17 |
| _Hicham_ | she is not an american citizen ? | Sep 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | *citenzenship | Sep 15 21:17 |
| _Hicham_ | weird | Sep 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | well, she should be | Sep 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | but they keep denying it | Sep 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | and it keeps getting appealed | Sep 15 21:17 |
| _Hicham_ | once u r born in a land, u should have citizenship | Sep 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | she wasn't born here, she was smuggled | Sep 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | some kind of adoption scam | Sep 15 21:18 |
| _Hicham_ | from where ? | Sep 15 21:18 |
| _Hicham_ | eastern Europe ? | Sep 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, she didn't even know she wasn't a US citizen and that her papers were forged til she was 18 | Sep 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, possibly Mexico | Sep 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | but the damned thing is | Sep 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | since they don't know, it could have been from Puerto Rico | Sep 15 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | in which case she's a citizen and being denied her rights | Sep 15 21:19 |
| _Hicham_ | she is damn hot, that is the damn thing, isn't it ? | Sep 15 21:19 |
| *ThistleWeb (n=gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 21:19 | |
| DaemonFC | the entire situation has turned into a clusterfuck | Sep 15 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | and all the while, illegal mexican immigrants who intentionally illegally entered the US live and work here every day | Sep 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | and have a faster path to citizenship than her | Sep 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | I just think the government sucks | Sep 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I think | Sep 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Obama does not run his country | Sep 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | And he is half black | Sep 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The country is run for the same people who ran it for decades | Sep 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Obama is a picture frame for them | Sep 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | congress? | Sep 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Sep 15 21:21 |
| _Hicham_ | mighty people DaemonFC | Sep 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Obama is like the Enlish Queen | Sep 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | *English | Sep 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Sep 15 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Sep 15 21:21 |
| _Hicham_ | worse | Sep 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | The Queen serves for more then 4/8 years | Sep 15 21:21 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: megacorps | Sep 15 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | the queen is a publicly funded figurehead, right? | Sep 15 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't get much dumber than that | Sep 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Obama is good for the UK | Sep 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | People in Africa would welcome him more and give him minerals | Sep 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The likes of Kissinger (still in govt) would love to use him for globalisation | Sep 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | He's "everyone's man' | Sep 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Good for imperialism plans | Sep 15 21:22 |
| _Hicham_ | Obama is still cool | Sep 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | London/WA/NY | Sep 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: he is | Sep 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | But he's a tool | Sep 15 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's been far worse than us | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Just been doing what Wall Street asked | Sep 15 21:23 |
| _Hicham_ | he haven't said sthg bad till now | Sep 15 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | He broke all his promises | Sep 15 21:23 |
| _Hicham_ | a lot of people are tools schestowitz | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Endless deception | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Sweet talking, then letting the 'bad guys' do the job | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Ramji is a tool, too | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | He quit | Sep 15 21:23 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is the bad guy in here | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Rather than impreached | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC would serve his countr | Sep 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | 'Serve' | Sep 15 21:24 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC would serve himself | Sep 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's worth defending | Sep 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Go operate some artillery camp | Sep 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Y'know.... kill them 'bad guys' | Sep 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the government doesn't experience an overthrow or a coup every year | Sep 15 21:24 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC can't even defend himself | Sep 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | The guys in the other 'colour' | Sep 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's not a color | Sep 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's a religion of hatred | Sep 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | mostly a middle eastern one | Sep 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | but it's spreading like cancer | Sep 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | "Give us your bl00dy resources of we blow the f* s* outta ya!" | Sep 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | they should all be shot | Sep 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | cause they'd do the same to us | Sep 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's related to politics | Sep 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Religion can be a disguise for it | Sep 15 21:26 |
| _Hicham_ | no one should be shot in here | Sep 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | If you're oppressed you can find back 'in the name of' religion | Sep 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | That's another debate altogether | Sep 15 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | they're not a party to the Geneva Conventions | Sep 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Religion can give justification to popular cause that's purely political | Sep 15 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | they're not even civilized enough to be | Sep 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: who IS? | Sep 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Geneva Convention*LOL* | Sep 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Does the US comply? | Sep 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | No. | Sep 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Does Israel? | Sep 15 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | we shouldn't | Sep 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | haha. no. | Sep 15 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | not when dealing with vermin like them | Sep 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | They mock it also | Sep 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Likewise to the US | Sep 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Veto powers | Sep 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "Vermin like them"? | Sep 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a good phrase for an Iraqi to use about American invaders. | Sep 15 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | like I said, a religion of murderers and crazies | Sep 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | You know, those with hellfire that kill civilians among the rubble. | Sep 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | the sooner they're gone the better, because they'd do it to everyone else if they ever could | Sep 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Look at hoistory | Sep 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Big wars took place in EUrope | Sep 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Another religion | Sep 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Another race | Sep 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Congo.... | Sep 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Not religious | Sep 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Islam in the US is the biggest idealogical scourge there has ever been | Sep 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, gotta get back to other things... | Sep 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | the worst kinds of Christians are not 1/10th this bad | Sep 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | the Muslims are a plague | Sep 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | they convert among the poor and in prisons mainly | Sep 15 21:29 |
| MinceR | in what way are they worse than the christians? | Sep 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | they feed on the contempt that those people have for society | Sep 15 21:29 |
| ThistleWeb | well, another friendly discussion going on here "Muslims are a plague"? | Sep 15 21:30 |
| _Hicham_ | so I am a plague Mr DaemonFC ? | Sep 15 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I don't see Christians that are blowing up thousands of people who wouldn't convert | Sep 15 21:30 |
| _Hicham_ | Interesting analysis | Sep 15 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | when I do, we'll talk | Sep 15 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | DJ Foam-at-the-mouth is in the hissy, going out to all the right wing nutjobs everywhere | Sep 15 21:30 |
| *schestowitz thinks DaemonFC needs to cancel subscription to Foxreilly and stop with the Islamophobia | Sep 15 21:30 | |
| DaemonFC | til then, the very worst of them are not nearly as bad as any Muslim | Sep 15 21:30 |
| MinceR | aren't wars fought in the name of their god by christians? at least as a figure of speech? | Sep 15 21:31 |
| _Hicham_ | wow, I am bad | Sep 15 21:31 |
| _Hicham_ | great | Sep 15 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | Islam is evil to the very core | Sep 15 21:31 |
| _Hicham_ | and I am evil | Sep 15 21:31 |
| MinceR | do the actions of a few fundamentalists really provide an accurate picture of a religion by which it can be compared to a very similar religion? | Sep 15 21:31 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: trolls are evil. | Sep 15 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: In this case, the "fundamentalists" are the mainstream | Sep 15 21:32 |
| _Hicham_ | it is delightful to hear a dumb person talk like that | Sep 15 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | not just a few fringe nut cases | Sep 15 21:32 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : u don't get tired of the troll thing ? | Sep 15 21:32 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: i got tired of trolls long ago | Sep 15 21:32 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: can you provide proof of that? | Sep 15 21:32 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : go find an interesting subject, and grow up | Sep 15 21:32 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: stop trolling -- this is your last warning. | Sep 15 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_: If there are two people left on Earth, and one is a Muslim, there will be war | Sep 15 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I think | Sep 15 21:33 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : my last warning ? | Sep 15 21:33 |
| MinceR | yes, yours | Sep 15 21:33 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i think that has more to do with human nature than the rhetoric used to justify acts | Sep 15 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's not some racial thing | Sep 15 21:34 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : is that a threat ? | Sep 15 21:34 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: no, it isn't. | Sep 15 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | anyone can renounce their false beliefs | Sep 15 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | and their false gods | Sep 15 21:34 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: it's a warning. | Sep 15 21:34 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so can christians | Sep 15 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I'm not a Christian | Sep 15 21:34 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : go read sthg about islam buddy | Sep 15 21:34 |
| _Hicham_ | instead of watching CNN and FOX News | Sep 15 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_: I know the Islamic countries murder people for not believing in their god | Sep 15 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | u can't talk about sthg that u don't know | Sep 15 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | that's all I need to know | Sep 15 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | no, they don't | Sep 15 21:35 |
| MinceR | that could be a religious commandment or a legal one | Sep 15 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | we have a lot of atheists in here | Sep 15 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | no one get killed | Sep 15 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | those sons of bitches can't fall any further from civilization than where they already are | Sep 15 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | and u think that u r living in civilization ? | Sep 15 21:36 |
| _Hicham_ | over 40% of americans don't have medical insurance | Sep 15 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | We don't drag people out and murder them in the streets for not claiming to believe in God | Sep 15 21:36 |
| _goblin | and the IRA killed many too....evil people in many walks of life and religion is their excuse to be evil....thats the same for any religion...including christianity which has a rather shady past.... | Sep 15 21:36 |
| _Hicham_ | u kill people for nothing | Sep 15 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, nobody cares what you believe as long as you aren't hurting them | Sep 15 21:36 |
| _Hicham_ | just like that | Sep 15 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | and Muslims can't stand religious freedom | Sep 15 21:37 |
| _Hicham_ | without any reason | Sep 15 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | they only want it for Muslim,s | Sep 15 21:37 |
| _Hicham_ | just because u have a gun | Sep 15 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | I've never killed anyone | Sep 15 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @j4 http://www.lamebook.com/ supplies 750% of your RDA of stupid. I just read 10 pages of it in one go & now my brain hurts. | Sep 15 21:37 | |
| DaemonFC | I do have several guns | Sep 15 21:37 |
| _Hicham_ | but u r buddies do | Sep 15 21:37 |
| _Hicham_ | once u will go wild, u will kill someone | Sep 15 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | the only way I'd shoot someone is if they were threatening me | Sep 15 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | or other people | Sep 15 21:38 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: Having worked closely with the Muslim community I'd say they are one of the most welcoming and tollerant communities. | Sep 15 21:38 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC doesn't know any real muslim | Sep 15 21:38 |
| _Hicham_ | just the faulty news from TV | Sep 15 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | I know a family of former Muslims actually | Sep 15 21:39 |
| _goblin | extremism exists in every subject....including FOSS advocacy! | Sep 15 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | escaped the religious persecution in Iran | Sep 15 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | and set up a family business here | Sep 15 21:39 |
| _goblin | best of luck to them. | Sep 15 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | anyone who renounced Islam in Iran would have been executed | Sep 15 21:40 |
| _Hicham_ | what a reasoning | Sep 15 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | they're doing pretty well for themselves here though | Sep 15 21:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM Joins the #Linux Family Officially http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145342 http://bit.ly/ddvRG | Sep 15 21:40 | |
| _Hicham_ | this DaemonFC is a real scientist | Sep 15 21:40 |
| _goblin | and before you question other countries laws consider why you think the USA is correct? | Sep 15 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_: And what is justice? | Sep 15 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | is justice hanging teenagers for being gay? | Sep 15 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | cause Iran does that | Sep 15 21:41 |
| _Hicham_ | Mr A is Muslim AND Mr A is Bad ==> All Muslims are Bad | Sep 15 21:41 |
| _Hicham_ | is that a true proposition ? | Sep 15 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | according to Sharia Law | Sep 15 21:41 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: USA and the black community? | Sep 15 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm asking you | Sep 15 21:41 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: was that justice? | Sep 15 21:41 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: was that correct? | Sep 15 21:41 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: was that right? | Sep 15 21:41 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: slavery, racism, segragation? | Sep 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: It's over, aside from some loudmouths | Sep 15 21:42 |
| _Hicham_ | according to Sharia, u get killed in extreme cases | Sep 15 21:42 |
| _Hicham_ | Iran doesn't reflect Islam | Sep 15 21:42 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: ah....so thats ok then...its forgotten about? | Sep 15 21:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #RPG s Come to #GNU Linux, Surprising Reception http://bit.ly/ZDLht http://bit.ly/20SK9N http://www.koonsolo.com/news/?p=33 | Sep 15 21:42 | |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: No | Sep 15 21:42 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: "People in glass houses should not throw stones" | Sep 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | but you wouldn't say the germans are guilty of the holocaust because their grandparents generation carried it out | Sep 15 21:43 |
| *ThistleWeb tries to erase the Crusades from history using a magic wand | Sep 15 21:43 | |
| _goblin | daemonFC: thats not the point. | Sep 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't have to answer for the crimes of your ancestors | Sep 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | and so you're bullshitting me | Sep 15 21:43 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: you are seeking to suggest the USA has some moral highground.... | Sep 15 21:43 |
| _Hicham_ | and I am guilty for what Iran does ? | Sep 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | the Iranians still do those damned disgusting things to this day | Sep 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | and far worse | Sep 15 21:43 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: when in actuality just like any country they make mistakes and do terrible things. | Sep 15 21:43 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: disgusting to your values.... | Sep 15 21:44 |
| _Hicham_ | does that have to be related to Islam ? | Sep 15 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | so you shouldn't have to asnwer for the crimes of your ancestors, which would mean "other people" yet you insist that every Muslim must answer for the crimes of the small number who strap on bombs and blow civilians up? | Sep 15 21:44 |
| _goblin | thistleweb: Well said. | Sep 15 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | the only peeps responsible for that, are the individuals themselves, and those who incite them | Sep 15 21:45 |
| _goblin | here here. | Sep 15 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: When they overthrow the government and respect other people that mean them no harm, like civilized countries do, then I'll accept that they are not evil | Sep 15 21:45 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is filled up with the faulty news from their mass media | Sep 15 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | not the population who happen to share the same flag | Sep 15 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | and shouldn't be branded by what they've done before | Sep 15 21:45 |
| _goblin | lol and who do you call civilized? How do you think the families of innocent people who have died because of coalition forces bombing raids? Should they hate all the people of the US/UK | Sep 15 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb: It's a culture of oppression | Sep 15 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | remember what a govt does, comes down to a tiny minority in power, not the people who often have little say in the matter | Sep 15 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | even the otherwise good people there would be too afraid to oppose the evilness that goes on every day | Sep 15 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | for fear of being murdered themselves | Sep 15 21:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Says 'Fragmentation' in #GNU #Linux is a #GoodThing http://bit.ly/fQrrZ | Sep 15 21:46 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: can someone succeed as a politician in the usa if he states publicly that he doesn't believe in that particular god, or any god at all? | Sep 15 21:46 |
| tessier | And I agree with them. | Sep 15 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Religious people outnumber non-religious people pretty much worldwide | Sep 15 21:46 |
| _Hicham_ | A US president should be christian | Sep 15 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | look at how much say the UK or US citizen has in their countries policies as an example, and we're supposed to be democracies | Sep 15 21:47 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: so? | Sep 15 21:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: please continue. | Sep 15 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | even the US slogan says, "In God We Trust" | Sep 15 21:47 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: Fortunately that is changing. | Sep 15 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | "May God Bless America" | Sep 15 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_: I don't trust in anything I can't observe for myself | Sep 15 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | that is ur slogan | Sep 15 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | not mine | Sep 15 21:48 |
| zlg | FC but all different religions, | Sep 15 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_: Not mine | Sep 15 21:48 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: so you have seen first hand violence from the muslim community have you? | Sep 15 21:48 |
| _Hicham_ | so u r not american ? | Sep 15 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | I think pretty much the entire world has _goblin | Sep 15 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | in their actions | Sep 15 21:48 |
| zlg | or mine country, very low God squad here | Sep 15 21:48 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: the actions of a few.....and Im sure as hell you didnt see it first hand. | Sep 15 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | actions speak louder than the words of a few Muslim apologists | Sep 15 21:48 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: I on the otherhand was on scene at Edgeware Road.... | Sep 15 21:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment 4.3 Looks Good, #Oxygen Made Better http://bit.ly/13sN7b http://bit.ly/ZhVHh #kde #kde4 | Sep 15 21:49 | |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: and I certainly don't think a whole community is to blame for the actions of others. | Sep 15 21:49 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: actions of a tiny minority. | Sep 15 21:50 |
| *sebsebseb (n=sebastia@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 21:50 | |
| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 15 21:50 |
| _goblin | hi! | Sep 15 21:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quick Glance at the New #Distros #SystemRescueCD 1.3.0 and #AbsoluteLinux 13.0 http://bit.ly/rCwpI http://bit.ly/Rpv55 | Sep 15 21:50 | |
| sebsebseb | Anyone hate recieveing word documents in email? | Sep 15 21:50 |
| _goblin | yep....although never had an issue reading them... | Sep 15 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: you're trying to paint everyone under one flag as the same "all Muslims are ....." yet you don't accept the slogan applied to your flag as applying to you. Whats it to be? | Sep 15 21:50 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: yeah it's happended again this woman, sent me and other people, a word document, when really a PDF would be fine | Sep 15 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: she is sending PDF's or word documents | Sep 15 21:51 |
| ThistleWeb | are people the same because they all happen to be under one flag, US or Muslim, or are people different? If they're the same, then you must accept the slogan of your flag | Sep 15 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: so I am thinking about the Richard Stallman suggestion again, for when we get sent word documents | Sep 15 21:51 |
| _goblin | whats that? | Sep 15 21:52 |
| ThistleWeb | along with everything else attached to the idea of the "US" which includes an illegal war | Sep 15 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb: A nation and a religion are two different things | Sep 15 21:52 |
| _goblin | thistleweb: Agreed... | Sep 15 21:52 |
| ThistleWeb | if everyone in a group is the same, they are all equally responsible for all the good and bad that comes from that group | Sep 15 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | in Iran, you have a religion masquerading as a nation | Sep 15 21:52 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a group of people | Sep 15 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | in the US, you have a nation that has many religions | Sep 15 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | whether the group is based on a shared religious view and doctrine, or a shared homeland dont matter, there's also groups within groups | Sep 15 21:53 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: So whats your opinion of a US Muslim? | Sep 15 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | "religion" "nation" "gender" "skin colour" are all just the defining factors of that group | Sep 15 21:54 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | Sep 15 21:54 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html :) | Sep 15 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: The enemy within | Sep 15 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much | Sep 15 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is spreading hatred in here | Sep 15 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | and judging anyone by their membership to these groups is largely seen around the free thinking world as "racist", "homophobic" etc | Sep 15 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | he hates everybody | Sep 15 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | not just Muslims | Sep 15 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC hates GNU | Sep 15 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | hates Linux | Sep 15 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | hates Windows | Sep 15 21:55 |
| ThistleWeb | in most cases, people can't choose which groups they beong to | Sep 15 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | hates Mac | Sep 15 21:55 |
| zlg | having an opinion on "a group" is not really possible, on a singleperson you can | Sep 15 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | hates the US | Sep 15 21:55 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: oh dear......I pity you. | Sep 15 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : what do u like in this whole life ? | Sep 15 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's more diversity in most religions | Sep 15 21:55 |
| MinceR | he likes the American Way ;) | Sep 15 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | not all the Christians are wicked, most are benign | Sep 15 21:55 |
| ThistleWeb | you don't choose where you're born, what gender you are, what skin colour you are, who your family are | Sep 15 21:55 |
| MinceR | i doubt that | Sep 15 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | I choose not to believe some religion of horseshit | Sep 15 21:56 |
| MinceR | not even most human beings are benign | Sep 15 21:56 |
| _goblin | I think Star Trek 5 summed it up nicely.......One God, many faces.... | Sep 15 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | that tells me to murder other people without any further explanation of why I should | Sep 15 21:56 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, so there's diversity in Christianity, yet not Islam? | Sep 15 21:56 |
| MinceR | you dismiss one religion of horseshit while you say another religion of horseshit is better :> | Sep 15 21:56 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: WHERE IN THE KURAN DOES IT SAY TO MURDER PEOPLE? | Sep 15 21:56 |
| _goblin | *sorry bad spelling | Sep 15 21:57 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't know much about Islam, but I know there's a lot of bad blood between the Shia's and Sunni's who are BOTH Muslims | Sep 15 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Gone on the link? | Sep 15 21:57 |
| _goblin | yep... | Sep 15 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | and? | Sep 15 21:57 |
| _goblin | i remember now. | Sep 15 21:57 |
| MinceR | probably all these old "holy" texts tell you to murder people somewhere | Sep 15 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: The Qur'an is even more poorly written than the Christian bibles | Sep 15 21:58 |
| zlg | like the prodenstants and chatholics in Irland I guess | Sep 15 21:58 |
| zlg | both christians | Sep 15 21:58 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: they were compiled in a much more violent age | Sep 15 21:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice.org 3.2 is Coming, #IBM 's OpenOffice.org Derivative Gets #Widgets http://bit.ly/10SzkW http://bit.ly/2dIOfy | Sep 15 21:58 | |
| MinceR | and they're accepted by the flock of today as The Truth | Sep 15 21:58 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Far be it from me to doubt your religious knowledge, but answer the question. | Sep 15 21:58 |
| MinceR | without criticism | Sep 15 21:58 |
| ThistleWeb | all edited by various sects along the way to support their plans | Sep 15 21:58 |
| zlg | like the bible was | Sep 15 21:59 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : we have theologists all over this channel ! | Sep 15 21:59 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: I am so pleased I live near a large diverse city....I would hate to be in a world of opinion like DaemonFC. | Sep 15 22:00 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: one horsehit has been blessed as the official horseshit of his group, that's why it's judged by a different yardstick | Sep 15 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | people talk without a bit of knowledge about what they talk about | Sep 15 22:00 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: yet he claims not to believe it. | Sep 15 22:00 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 22:00 | |
| *DaemonFC (n=ryan@c-69-245-224-210.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 22:00 | |
| ThistleWeb | yes, and that everyone in a group is the same, yet strives to differentiate himself from others in his group | Sep 15 22:01 |
| zlg | Jesus is in the Quran | Sep 15 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | methinks it's time to ignore him again, how ling has this BS gone on in here? | Sep 15 22:01 |
| zlg | it's all the same story, | Sep 15 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | long^ | Sep 15 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | he must be bored, or his pills must be wearing off | Sep 15 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | the redneck in him is coming out | Sep 15 22:02 |
| _goblin | Thistleweb: I think you are right.... | Sep 15 22:02 |
| _goblin | BTW DaemonFC has the support of some of the cola trolls...I saw a post from I believe Moshe giving DaemonFC praise.......FYI. | Sep 15 22:03 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is doing that on purpose | Sep 15 22:03 |
| _Hicham_ | as he knows that he will get some reaction | Sep 15 22:03 |
| MinceR | he also has Roy's support ;) | Sep 15 22:04 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : that is trolling | Sep 15 22:04 |
| _Hicham_ | Mince : u r even accusing roy | Sep 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: you try to provoke reactions here, don't you? | Sep 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he does? | Sep 15 22:04 |
| _goblin | nooooooooooooooooooooooooo not the troll thing again....!!!!!!!! | Sep 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: well, i've kickbanned him a couple times but you've unbanned him every time :> | Sep 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | BTW, many religions book encourage murder under some conditions | Sep 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Some more violent than others | Sep 15 22:05 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Would you start posting rubbish again......at least it keeps the subject off trolls.... | Sep 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | But these texts are ancients | Sep 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | We're not half way towards becoming civilised men | Sep 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | And we know a lot more | Sep 15 22:05 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : why kickbann DaemonFC ? | Sep 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: indeed. | Sep 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: for trolling/crapflooding | Sep 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | No longer do we call the stars Milky Way cause we think that a goddess put them there by squeezing milk off her breasts (the origin of the word) | Sep 15 22:06 |
| _Hicham_ | I am think u r influenced by the fitna movie | Sep 15 22:06 |
| _Hicham_ | has anyone of u seen the fitna movie ? | Sep 15 22:06 |
| *schestowitz pictures Ryan Farmer sittin' there in a "USA" shirt | Sep 15 22:06 | |
| MinceR | well, that's the only name we have for this galaxy afaik | Sep 15 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | I always get a laugh when a religion claims to have a team of scientists | Sep 15 22:07 |
| MinceR | even the word "galaxy" comes from "milk" | Sep 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [Munching popcorn and trollin'] | Sep 15 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | the reason being that they want to redefine science into their current beliefs | Sep 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Cosmos also | Sep 15 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | or because they want to have the cake and eat it too | Sep 15 22:08 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : is the Milky Way story true ? | Sep 15 22:08 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, "disaster" too | Sep 15 22:08 |
| _Hicham_ | I mean is that the real origin of the name ? | Sep 15 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | or because science can help make it easier to murder more people more efficiently | Sep 15 22:08 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes | Sep 15 22:08 |
| schestowitz | That's why we want to get to Mars | Sep 15 22:08 |
| schestowitz | SO MUCH MILK!! | Sep 15 22:08 |
| zlg | and Mars bars | Sep 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | But Mars is not a star | Sep 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | It's a planet | Sep 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i think they want the support of science because they believe that way they can get more followers | Sep 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | It reflects rather than produces light | Sep 15 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | there's that | Sep 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: also, that way they can force kids to be brainwashed into their beliefs at public schools | Sep 15 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That's what I meant actually | Sep 15 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | if they can say that science explains what God has done, they are competitive with real science | Sep 15 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | and public school | Sep 15 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | because you no longer have to make that choice as much | Sep 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: influenza comes from the belief that it's imposed by INFLUENCE of the stars | Sep 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Italian reference to astrology | Sep 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | also, this strategy is used (and successful) to the greatest extent in the usa | Sep 15 22:11 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : it is true to some extent | Sep 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | How? | Sep 15 22:11 |
| _Hicham_ | if u sleep under a full moon u will get an influenza for sure | Sep 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: and when the stars are right, the Old Ones come back! | Sep 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Stars don't mater | Sep 15 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | conditioning people not to make educated choices is also the role played by the mainstream media and education, you're taught to be good consumers who buy whatever is put in front of you and not ask questions | Sep 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Matter | Sep 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Except cycles of the year | Sep 15 22:12 |
| _Hicham_ | again, the moon is not a star | Sep 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | the city of R'Lyeh rises from the ocean and Cthulhu eats you all | Sep 15 22:12 |
| _goblin | right Im off for the night.....reading Raymond E Fiest's Ride a dread legion.....very good....night all.... | Sep 15 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | dont teach kids to reason out the question and find the answer, teach them what you want the answer to be | Sep 15 22:12 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Sep 15 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | The gravity of Mars has less effect of you than that of the doctor's mass next to you when you're born | Sep 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | WHat about twins and their 'fate'? | Sep 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | "there's no fate but what we make for ourselves" | Sep 15 22:13 |
| _Hicham_ | which twins ? | Sep 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: causality really | Sep 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Hard to predicts. | Sep 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | A googolplex of parameters... | Sep 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | *predict | Sep 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | that's a quote from terminator 2 | Sep 15 22:14 |
| *sebsebseb has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | Ze Teninazor! | Sep 15 22:19 |
| *Balrog has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Sep 15 22:19 | |
| trmanco | "I'll be Back!" | Sep 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | DIdn't Ze Teninazor have a heart/coronary bypass? What's up with that? Factory defect in the Drod? | Sep 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Android Arnold the Droid was stupid enough to go on the Droids | Sep 15 22:21 |
| MinceR | not ze teninazor, just the actor | Sep 15 22:21 |
| MinceR | who is sadly no longer an actor | Sep 15 22:22 |
| *sebsebseb (n=sebastia@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | He'd ve dead by now if he wasn't rich | Sep 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Same with Steve Jobs | Sep 15 22:22 |
| zlg | money tends to help with life extension and health for individuals, not Nations. | Sep 15 22:26 |
| trmanco | http://www.sun.com/launch/2009-0915/index.jsp | Sep 15 22:26 |
| trmanco | dang | Sep 15 22:26 |
| trmanco | I forgot | Sep 15 22:26 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 15 22:26 |
| trmanco | I was busy at that time too | Sep 15 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Fancast works on Arora when I identify it as Safari | Sep 15 22:26 |
| trmanco | cool | Sep 15 22:28 |
| trmanco | you use arora :-P | Sep 15 22:28 |
| trmanco | *pling* | Sep 15 22:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good New #Interview with #RichardStallman http://bit.ly/V3tYx | Sep 15 22:30 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I am the new Richard Stallman | Sep 15 22:32 |
| *Balrog (n=BRBT@129.32.100.56) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 22:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kerala Builds E-mail System with #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/vPS6M | Sep 15 22:33 | |
| *Balrog is now known as Guest78867 | Sep 15 22:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenGL Comes to Web #Browser Without Blobs http://bit.ly/7cI8E | Sep 15 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you're NRMS | Sep 15 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm RSS | Sep 15 22:36 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : NRMS ? | Sep 15 22:37 |
| *_gmzlj is now known as gmzlj | Sep 15 22:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ZDNet UK: #Vista7 Sucks (Resources), Has Other Problems http://bit.ly/SOzms | Sep 15 22:39 | |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 22:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] British TV firm dumps Silver lie http://bit.ly/7cB7q | Sep 15 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: New RMS | Sep 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:32] <_Hicham_> schestowitz : I am the new Richard Stallman | Sep 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | But dude, you need to grow a big bears | Sep 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | *beard | Sep 15 22:46 |
| *gmzlj (n=gmzlj@CPE00195b76b288-CM00223a6ef767.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has left #boycottnovell ("Leaving") | Sep 15 22:50 | |
| MinceR | NRMS: Not RMS | Sep 15 22:52 |
| zlg | 0.707106781 is RMS | Sep 15 22:53 |
| zlg | (Of a sine wave) | Sep 15 22:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 15 22:54 |
| *oiaohm (n=oiaohm@235.68-26-211.dynamic.dsl.brs.iprimus.net.au) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 22:54 | |
| _Hicham_ | ah, finally Mr oiaohm | Sep 15 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | the most level-headed in this room | Sep 15 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | the mighty oiaohm | Sep 15 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | fighting all over the internet | Sep 15 22:56 |
| trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/bing-passes-10-market-share-nielsen-says-25845 | Sep 15 22:56 |
| MinceR | i feel some contradiction here | Sep 15 22:56 |
| oiaohm | The problem with being level-headed stupidity is annoying., | Sep 15 22:57 |
| zlg | shoe thrower released (punished for missing) | Sep 15 23:01 |
| *ThistleWeb has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Sep 15 23:03 | |
| *_Hicham_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 23:12 | |
| *Balrog (n=Balrog@pool-173-59-66-71.phlapa.east.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 23:18 | |
| *jono (n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 23:21 | |
| *PetoKraus has quit ("Leaving") | Sep 15 23:25 | |
| trmanco | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/15/0131209/Microsoft-Says-No-TCPIP-Patches-For-XP | Sep 15 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Now that kinda causes major problems trmanco | Sep 15 23:26 |
| trmanco | but the could have fixed it | Sep 15 23:26 |
| trmanco | ain't XP supported till 2012? | Sep 15 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Not that simple. | Sep 15 23:27 |
| zlg | if they are shipping netbooks with XP they should support it | Sep 15 23:27 |
| oiaohm | The tcp/ip stack in XP is basically dead. | Sep 15 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Its based on a known defective version of the BSD tcp/ip stack. | Sep 15 23:28 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 15 23:28 |
| trmanco | but they said they would support the OS until the year I mentioned | Sep 15 23:28 |
| trmanco | it's still has 2 years of life | Sep 15 23:29 |
| oiaohm | MS really cannot do that. | Sep 15 23:29 |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 23:29 | |
| *PetoKraus has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 15 23:29 | |
| trmanco | they can do everything... they just don't want to | Sep 15 23:29 |
| oiaohm | They have extented XP life past the point they can afford to. | Sep 15 23:29 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 15 23:30 |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 23:30 | |
| oiaohm | At some point you have to get income for a closed source software company. | Sep 15 23:30 |
| oiaohm | The big question is XP 64 bit patched. | Sep 15 23:30 |
| oiaohm | it should be since it uses the 2003 kernel. | Sep 15 23:31 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 15 23:31 |
| oiaohm | If XP 64 is not patched MS is just trying to kill XP. | Sep 15 23:31 |
| trmanco | XP 64 is Windows Server 2003 | Sep 15 23:31 |
| trmanco | it's still at sp2 afaik (XP x64) | Sep 15 23:32 |
| *PetoKraus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Sep 15 23:32 | |
| oiaohm | Really to mean the 2012 requirement providing a highly upseting upgrade to 2003 kernel would be about the only way. | Sep 15 23:33 |
| oiaohm | mean/meant | Sep 15 23:33 |
| *PetoKraus (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 15 23:33 | |
| trmanco | there is not much of a difference | Sep 15 23:34 |
| oiaohm | There is enough that particular drivers fail. | Sep 15 23:35 |
| trmanco | true | Sep 15 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Enough to be a pain in ass. | Sep 15 23:35 |
| trmanco | but the conversioning it not that different | Sep 15 23:35 |
| trmanco | NT 5.1 for XP and NT 5.2 for XP x64 | Sep 15 23:35 |
| trmanco | it's like Linux 2.6.30 to 2.6.31 | Sep 15 23:36 |
| oiaohm | And linux between 2.6.30 and 2.6.31 replaces all drivers. | Sep 15 23:36 |
| trmanco | maybe not that much | Sep 15 23:36 |
| trmanco | 2.6.30.1 to 2.6.30.2 | Sep 15 23:36 |
| oiaohm | So does not run into incompadible drivers. | Sep 15 23:36 |
| trmanco | :-p | Sep 15 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Even 2.6.30.1 to 2.6.30.2 you still replace all drivers. | Sep 15 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Linux world has the replace all drivers don't have kernel alterations as major annoyances. | Sep 15 23:37 |
| trmanco | what do you mean by replacing all driver? recompile them? | Sep 15 23:37 |
| trmanco | drivers* | Sep 15 23:37 |
| oiaohm | recompiling them to match the new kernel. | Sep 15 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Minor alterations here and there in handling can cause major problems. | Sep 15 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Like a lock removed here or a lock added there. | Sep 15 23:38 |
| oiaohm | And macro alterations. | Sep 15 23:38 |
| oiaohm | These things do effect windows drivers as well. | Sep 15 23:38 |
| oiaohm | There are valid reasons for no closed source drivers when it comes to changing kernels. | Sep 15 23:39 |
| oiaohm | If you have closed source drivers they have to be provided for the new kernel. | Sep 15 23:40 |
| oiaohm | trmanco: Linux did at one point have drivers that were kernel netural. Back in the 2.0 Linux kernel time. Basically Linux world learnt some leasons with breaking kernel updates. | Sep 15 23:44 |
| trmanco | that's a good thing | Sep 15 23:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SiriusCorp : kde 4.3 is very stable. | Sep 15 23:45 | |
| oiaohm | I guess you were not around for the lessons trmanco so you don't understand how much trouble changing a kernel can be. | Sep 15 23:45 |
| trmanco | nop | Sep 15 23:46 |
| trmanco | my first was with 7.04 | Sep 15 23:46 |
| trmanco | 2.6.20I think | Sep 15 23:46 |
| oiaohm | That was early 2.6 | Sep 15 23:46 |
| trmanco | my router is still on 2.4 ish | Sep 15 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes still years latter. | Sep 15 23:46 |
| oiaohm | You missed out on it. MS provide a framework for one driver to be released for many kernel. | Sep 15 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Problem is not all driver makers make universal drivers. | Sep 15 23:47 |
| oiaohm | For MS. | Sep 15 23:47 |
| oiaohm | So you would only find out that you had one that was not universal when the OS died. | Sep 15 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Copyprotection drivers are some of the worst for being picky on kernel change. | Sep 15 23:48 |
| oiaohm | And a large percent of MS XP market is gammers. So you can guess how that would explode. | Sep 15 23:49 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 15 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Sound simple to change from XP kernel to 2003 until you really think about it. | Sep 15 23:50 |
| oiaohm | I would not want to be the programmer put in charage of pulling it off without having users trying to kill the company. | Sep 15 23:50 |
| trmanco | but still, I little warning to those drivers guys would make the transition almost unnoticed for many | Sep 15 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Sep 15 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Some of the game makers with the copy protection drivers are out of business yet people love playing the games. | Sep 15 23:52 |
| oiaohm | You are dead in the water. | Sep 15 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Thank you closed source. | Sep 15 23:52 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 15 23:57 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
