IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 17th, 2009

trmanco	http://blog.forwardbias.in/2009/09/kdocker-4-0-released.html	Sep 17 00:02
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_Hicham_	wb twitter1	Sep 17 04:02
twitter1	yo ho, yo ho.	Sep 17 04:02
twitter1	have you been advocating free software _Hicham_?	Sep 17 04:02
twitter1	What do you plan to do for Software Freedom Day?	Sep 17 04:03
_Hicham_	selling some Linux CDs	Sep 17 04:04
_Hicham_	$1 a CD	Sep 17 04:04
twitter1	You would do better to give it away and charge people for your time.	Sep 17 04:05
_Hicham_	$1 a CD is for my time	Sep 17 04:06
_Hicham_	and my CD burner	Sep 17 04:06
twitter1	Selling CDs is a legitimate way to make money. What ever happened to Cheap Bytes?	Sep 17 04:06
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_Hicham_	we can't buy from internet in here	Sep 17 04:07
_Hicham_	that is why i am selling linux CDs	Sep 17 04:07
twitter1	where is "in here"?	Sep 17 04:09
_Hicham_	what did u do Mr twitter1 ?	Sep 17 04:09
twitter1	This looks like a nice deal. http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070011709.html?id=5iWsV8BS	Sep 17 04:09
twitter1	I asked you where you can't buy things from the internet.	Sep 17 04:09
_Hicham_	twitter1 : in Morocco	Sep 17 04:10
twitter1	there are no internet vendors based in Moroco or elsewhere willing to sell?	Sep 17 04:14
twitter1	Sounds like an opportunity.	Sep 17 04:15
_Hicham_	there is no way to pay	Sep 17 04:15
_Hicham_	internet vendors in here do it in a twisted way	Sep 17 04:15
twitter1	Don't tell me they snail mail checks around.	Sep 17 04:16
twitter1	You would think a bank would like to make money like Visa does.	Sep 17 04:16
twitter1	but the state of online commerce is deplorable enough in the US for me to believe things are bad everywhere.	Sep 17 04:17
_Hicham_	no, u should subscribe to the service	Sep 17 04:17
_Hicham_	then u pay when stuff is delivered to u	Sep 17 04:17
_Hicham_	cash	Sep 17 04:17
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hicham_	twitter and twitter1 the shills	Sep 17 04:40
twitter1	I'm everywhere you want to be, hicham_	Sep 17 04:41
hicham_	seriously, did u do sthg for Software Freedom Day ?	Sep 17 04:42
twitter1	it has not happened yet	Sep 17 04:43
hicham_	why?	Sep 17 04:44
hicham_	didn't find sthg useful to do ?	Sep 17 04:44
twitter1	I'm always doing something useful.	Sep 17 04:44
twitter1	I'm hoping someone around here is doing something nice for software freedom day.	Sep 17 04:45
cubezzz	online commerce is slow, yes	Sep 17 04:46
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hicham_	twitter1 : u r doing sthg useful by promoting Windows software ?	Sep 17 04:49
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twitter1	hicham is hicham	Sep 17 04:50
cubezzz	I'll hack on my zaurus	Sep 17 04:53
twitter1	very nice	Sep 17 04:56
twitter1	do you have a CF USB card?	Sep 17 04:57
twitter1	that would be very nice for Zaurus.	Sep 17 04:57
twitter1	You could make it into a nice, low powered NAS/gateway.	Sep 17 04:57
twitter1	Or you could just work with the portable Zaurus as it is.	Sep 17 04:57
twitter1	What software projects are still out there since Open Zaurus went away?	Sep 17 04:58
cubezzz	I have SD and CF cards, but not USB	Sep 17 05:00
cubezzz	twitter1, I'm not sure	Sep 17 05:01
cubezzz	doesn't seem like there's much happening	Sep 17 05:01
cubezzz	I'm porting some old amiga stuff I wrote to SL-5500	Sep 17 05:02
cubezzz	I have a USB cable for it, so I can use the usbnet module to mess around with lynx	Sep 17 05:03
twitter1	Open Zaurus had a working X11 and Gnome pocket desktop. OpenSSH worked as well.	Sep 17 05:04
cubezzz	play some chess against it, it's not as invincible as my other computers	Sep 17 05:04
twitter1	you could hook up a USB hub to it and drives for storage.	Sep 17 05:04
twitter1	and network fobs.	Sep 17 05:04
twitter1	that USB cable is a nifty thing.	Sep 17 05:04
cubezzz	getting wifi to work on it would be even nicer	Sep 17 05:04
cubezzz	I think there are CF Wifi maybe	Sep 17 05:05
twitter1	don't know if the older kernels for it will do that.	Sep 17 05:05
twitter1	Debian might have a newer kernel, but you probably lose the buttons and a some other things.	Sep 17 05:05
twitter1	I have not done anything with my Zaurus in a long time.	Sep 17 05:05
cubezzz	well, if I have all the source it should be possible	Sep 17 05:05
twitter1	Left it with Opie.	Sep 17 05:06
twitter1	because Opie was able to play music and buzz the alarm.	Sep 17 05:06
twitter1	I might just see what debian can do on it these days, but I don't have high hopes. I think Sharp slipped binary junk into the kernel for drivers.	Sep 17 05:06
cubezzz	twitter1, others have done wifi on sl-5500	Sep 17 05:08
cubezzz	I have some notes here... let me check	Sep 17 05:08
twitter1	Open Zaurus did my CF wifi card out of the box.	Sep 17 05:09
twitter1	I'm not sure if it would work through USB and a USB card reader but that would be interesting.	Sep 17 05:09
cubezzz	Linksys WFC12 WiFi card is the one recommended for it	Sep 17 05:09
cubezzz	one big downer with it is the small screen :-/	Sep 17 05:10
cubezzz	aside from that it's great	Sep 17 05:10
cubezzz	compared to my amiga 500 the sl-5500 is a powerhouse :)	Sep 17 05:11
cubezzz	I used to think amiga 500 was so great :)	Sep 17 05:11
twitter1	I don't know. Amiga used lots of processors.	Sep 17 05:15
twitter1	You might get the same effect if you made a cluster of 5500	Sep 17 05:15
twitter1	can you imagine a ....	Sep 17 05:16
cubezzz	one big difference: commodore gave all the tech info for amiga	Sep 17 05:16
cubezzz	I don't think sharp did the same for zaurus	Sep 17 05:16
cubezzz	but amiga is very old now	Sep 17 05:17
cubezzz	I could try to do irda stuff between server and zaurus	Sep 17 05:18
cubezzz	but wifi is probably a million times better	Sep 17 05:18
cubezzz	after most of my amiga 500 disks stopped working I quit working on amiga programming	Sep 17 05:19
cubezzz	not to mention my old old old compsec hard drive... ST157N died	Sep 17 05:21
cubezzz	yeah 3.5" screen on sl-5500 was very small	Sep 17 05:24
zlg	Amiga was Motorola 60000 family based, and the OS took alot of it's design features from VMS	Sep 17 05:27
zlg	68000 *	Sep 17 05:28
zlg	WAY ahead of it's time too.	Sep 17 05:30
zlg	I got my first Amiga500 in Pearl Harbour (military PX) in 1988, and for years and years it's all I wanted, MS had nothing to compete with it,	Sep 17 05:35
zlg	It was also the turning point in the x86 and 680x0 CPU family wars.	Sep 17 05:35
cubezzz	zlg, but commodore died :-/	Sep 17 05:35
cubezzz	a big pity	Sep 17 05:35
zlg	That sucks,	Sep 17 05:35
zlg	yes	Sep 17 05:35
cubezzz	I hear amiga 400 goes for a fair bit of money	Sep 17 05:36
cubezzz	$400 to $800	Sep 17 05:36
cubezzz	er, amiga 4000	Sep 17 05:36
zlg	Yes, I would get one,	Sep 17 05:37
cubezzz	ok, this cube is done :)	Sep 17 05:39
cubezzz	assembling cubes is boring so I IRC at the same time	Sep 17 05:39
zlg	I wonder if you designed an ISA card for your PC that had a 68040 on it, running native AmigaOS would be viable, AmigaOS contains alot of assembly code and the 680x0 has a different memory management system so it's hard to port	Sep 17 05:39
cubezzz	zlg, I would rather get linux running on amiga 4000	Sep 17 05:40
cubezzz	mainly I just hack on Linux x86 or Linux ARM	Sep 17 05:41
cubezzz	I still have a bunch of amiga 500 c source code though	Sep 17 05:41
zlg	would be interesting to see how they port to linux x86,	Sep 17 05:42
cubezzz	I concentrated on text only stuff for a while, very portable	Sep 17 05:44
cubezzz	but a bit boring	Sep 17 05:44
cubezzz	Microsoft wasn't really even competing with Commodore	Sep 17 05:46
cubezzz	to the best of my knowledge, microsoft never build computers	Sep 17 05:46
zlg	No not in the late 80's, it was Amstrad and the likes	Sep 17 05:46
cubezzz	the clones (and bad management) killed amiga	Sep 17 05:47
cubezzz	in late 80's there were Mac, Tandys, Atari ST, and clones	Sep 17 05:47
cubezzz	didn't see Amstrad in Canada	Sep 17 05:48
zlg	in the late 70's and early 80's it was PET, TRS-80's (Trash80's), and yes the ones you said as well,	Sep 17 05:49
cubezzz	so for OS on home computers we had GEM, AmigaDOS, MS DOS, Tandy DOS and whatever Mac used	Sep 17 05:49
cubezzz	...and Apple II's :)	Sep 17 05:50
cubezzz	I actually talked to commodore about becoming a dealer	Sep 17 05:50
zlg	and from that list AmigaOS ruled, it was a true multi-tasking, graphic and sound right platform with an advanced file systme. all on a single floppy disk.	Sep 17 05:50
cubezzz	but our area had one, and a couple of years later, Commodore went belly-up	Sep 17 05:51
zlg	rich*	Sep 17 05:51
cubezzz	zlg, it didn't last too long, 1985->1994 RIP	Sep 17 05:51
cubezzz	9 years	Sep 17 05:51
cubezzz	maybe a bit longer in UK or Europe	Sep 17 05:52
zlg	I wrote a Forth compiler in basic on my amiga500 !	Sep 17 05:53
zlg	but it sucked	Sep 17 05:53
zlg	worked, but slow.	Sep 17 05:53
cubezzz	yeah it seems that early adopters used Forth	Sep 17 05:57
cubezzz	for Amiga I just bought Lattice C	Sep 17 05:57
cubezzz	I don't think Microsoft bothered making a C compiler for Amiga	Sep 17 05:59
cubezzz	there was AmigaBasic though, which was Microsoft	Sep 17 05:59
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zlg	I dont think I had acces to C at the time, and forth was popular at that time because some company produced a CPU that executed native forth, if I had of had C that comiles, over basic interpreterative it would have helped	Sep 17 06:21
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schestowitz	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/corporatists-vs-capitalis_b_288718.html	Sep 17 06:49
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fewa	wow colbert address Corporate personhood	Sep 17 07:04
fewa	*addressed	Sep 17 07:04
fewa	yesterday	Sep 17 07:04
fewa	Wow	Sep 17 07:13
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twitter1	ah, corporate media talking about corporatism. the illusion of change and action by the powers that be. trust us!	Sep 17 07:27
fewa	meh it was actually pretty decent	Sep 17 07:30
fewa	but of course colbert is a hypocrit	Sep 17 07:30
fewa	that is the point of his show	Sep 17 07:31
fewa	also Viacom sued people of move-on.org for really just mentioning colbert	Sep 17 07:31
fewa	it was pretty rediculous	Sep 17 07:31
fewa	eff defended it	Sep 17 07:31
fewa	http://www.eff.org/cases/moveon-brave-new-films-v-viacom	Sep 17 07:32
fewa	Here is the video them claim infringed copyrights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHqX27hlz8	Sep 17 07:33
fewa	But this guy roasted Bush http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHqX27hlz8	Sep 17 07:34
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twitter1	my goats roasted bush	Sep 17 07:59
twitter1	who didn't ?	Sep 17 07:59
fewa	Yeah hes a member of the political establishment	Sep 17 07:59
fewa	unabashed propaganda	Sep 17 08:00
fewa	It's about condoning hypocrisy so that hypocrisy cannot be criticized	Sep 17 08:06
fewa	And also unabashed self interest	Sep 17 08:06
fewa	Short term self interest	Sep 17 08:06
fewa	Presenting the illusion of accountability so that implamenting the policies that the people want can be put on the back burner	Sep 17 08:08
fewa	As he pointed out: if money is speech than those with more money have more speech	Sep 17 08:09
fewa	Its all about preserving that status quo through preempting schadenfrau by laughing off the unpopular realities	Sep 17 08:11
twitter1	Lot of BS about some kind of M$ payment scheme.	Sep 17 08:12
fewa	its called Reny	Sep 17 08:12
fewa	*rent	Sep 17 08:12
fewa	they want your computer to be their property	Sep 17 08:12
fewa	and have you in permanent slavery to them	Sep 17 08:12
twitter1	something to do with Citibank and the failed winmob	Sep 17 08:12
fewa	if you don't pay your entire operating ceases to function	Sep 17 08:12
fewa	Its like a legal mafiaa, a racket	Sep 17 08:13
twitter1	well, giving M$ your credit card is not a bright idea.	Sep 17 08:13
twitter1	I doubt it will take off, Windows has retarded online retail for a decade. No one trusts it.	Sep 17 08:14
fewa	running any operating system that phones home is not a bright idea	Sep 17 08:14
fewa	especially when the default is to assume that everyone is a criminal	Sep 17 08:14
twitter1	well, merging your credit card with the not so up to date mobile version of said spyware is an even worse idea.	Sep 17 08:15
twitter1	my M$ Visa Cell phone, works great at McDonald's.	Sep 17 08:15
twitter1	iterop with SCO, still good.	Sep 17 08:15
twitter1	I wonder if McD has dumped SCO yet.	Sep 17 08:16
fewa	http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.microsoft.com/interop/	Sep 17 08:16
twitter1	lol, thanks	Sep 17 08:17
twitter1	you got 55 errors on the interop.	Sep 17 08:18
twitter1	Novell page gives 188	Sep 17 08:18
twitter1	http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/nov06/11-02MSNovellPR.mspx	Sep 17 08:18
twitter1	sloppy program by design	Sep 17 08:19
fewa	Microsoft could easily write correct code	Sep 17 08:20
fewa	they just don't care	Sep 17 08:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WindowsServer 2003 — Just Like #WindowsXP — Gets Neglected by #Microsoft http://ping.fm/XxBhe		Sep 17 08:21
fewa	they want to slow down everybody else as much as possible by forcing them to implement broken compatibility	Sep 17 08:21
fewa	schestowitz, you should point out that Microsoft policy states that Windows XP will recieve security patches for another 5 years	Sep 17 08:22
fewa	That these actions are a violation of touted policy	Sep 17 08:23
fewa	and advertisment	Sep 17 08:23
schestowitz	fewa: I think it's stated or implied in the previous post	Sep 17 08:26
schestowitz	It's funny, ain't it?	Sep 17 08:27
schestowitz	I'm sure I'll have another chance to raise the issue	Sep 17 08:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #gNewSense Gets Rid of Mono While #Mono Gets Closer to #Microsoft http://ping.fm/jkcdI		Sep 17 08:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Power of Public enterprise: FHA loans unhit by mortgage crisis lift up society in recession http://ur1.ca/budv http://ur1.ca/budv		Sep 17 08:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Power of Public enterprise: FHA loans unhit by mortgage crisis lift up society in recession http://ur1.ca/budv http://ur1.ca/budy		Sep 17 08:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Power of #Public enterprise: FHA loans unhit by mortgage #crisis lift up society in #recession http://ur1.ca/budv http://ur1.ca/budy		Sep 17 08:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @HCASAP: BROKEN NEWS: Doctor diagnose America with Acute Irritable Conjoined Government Lobbyist Syndrome as Pre-Existing Condition		Sep 17 08:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Yak shaving vs yeti shaving, by @suw http://is.gd/3mYmY		Sep 17 09:05
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satipera	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8259154.stm	Sep 17 09:24
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fewa	lawl	Sep 17 09:40
fewa	BBC reporting criticism of itsself	Sep 17 09:40
fewa	totally no conflict of interest	Sep 17 09:40
zlg	that is not common where you are ? it's very very common here in Aus.	Sep 17 10:09
zlg	News being critical of itself that is, not encrypting data streams. but someone should tell them that encrypting the data stream is the SAME as encrypting the Audio and Video streams, which is agaist their license agreements.	Sep 17 10:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft’s #NathanMyhrvold in 1998: #GNU #Linux is a “Serious Competitor” http://ping.fm/fLgo3		Sep 17 10:26
schestowitz	^ It's likely that Myhrvold will show up in the anti-Linux camp some day, so this would be valuable, I believe.	Sep 17 10:29
schestowitz	fewa: does the BBC outlines the drawbacks?	Sep 17 10:30
MinceR	some day? :)	Sep 17 10:31
schestowitz	Yes	Sep 17 10:31
MinceR	he isn't anti-linux yet?	Sep 17 10:33
schestowitz	http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/oracle_sun_pillar/ "Pillar Data storage could be resold by Oracle's Sun hardware unit in an Oracle-Sun-Pillar combination, threatening Sun's existing HDS OEM deal."	Sep 17 10:43
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, but not actively	Sep 17 10:43
schestowitz	Wait till he passes patents for other smaller trolls to attack Red Hat	Sep 17 10:43
schestowitz	The Register sinks low: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/16/secondlife_alderman_class_action_lawsuit/	Sep 17 10:47
schestowitz	White hats release exploit for critical Windows vuln http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/16/windows_vista_exploit_released/	Sep 17 10:50
fewa	"lets put the power of government more in the hand of private industry" http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/09/16/government.app.store/index.html	Sep 17 10:52
fewa	Obama enthusiastic to put government operations data on privately controled servers, but says that he cant be sued for vilations of privacy violations as telling anything the executive has would threaten national security	Sep 17 10:53
fewa	its such dispicable hypocricy	Sep 17 10:53
schestowitz	Agent Obama	Sep 17 10:54
fewa	I guess its becuase it will be citizens personal information	Sep 17 10:54
schestowitz	He would not last at the CIA	Sep 17 10:54
fewa	and not personal information about Obama himself	Sep 17 10:54
fewa	its just junk	Sep 17 10:54
schestowitz	But he's a charismatic PR guy	Sep 17 10:55
fewa	Its fine to give away others information	Sep 17 10:55
fewa	but his own is above the law	Sep 17 10:55
schestowitz	Do you reckon the owners of the country already groom the man who will succeed Obama?	Sep 17 10:55
fewa	so much that it cant even be asked for by a judge	Sep 17 10:55
fewa	What shit	Sep 17 10:55
fewa	just pure shit	Sep 17 10:55
schestowitz	You can't sue him either	Sep 17 10:55
schestowitz	They have special immunity	Sep 17 10:55
fewa	according to his opinion	Sep 17 10:55
schestowitz	Had he been sane, he'd take GWB to court	Sep 17 10:55
fewa	and his court documents	Sep 17 10:56
schestowitz	But Obama's owners would not permit this	Sep 17 10:56
fewa	schestowitz, thats not really set in stone	Sep 17 10:56
fewa	it just happens to be what he is arguing	Sep 17 10:56
fewa	doesn't mean you cant sue him	Sep 17 10:56
schestowitz	Besides, Obama still does what his predecessor did	Sep 17 10:56
fewa	for violation of the law that is on the books	Sep 17 10:56
fewa	__Rex Lex___	Sep 17 10:56
schestowitz	WHp?	Sep 17 10:56
schestowitz	*Who?	Sep 17 10:56
fewa	Soverign immunity does not mean you cant be sued	Sep 17 10:56
fewa	schestowitz, it means Law is King	Sep 17 10:57
fewa	what are you asking about?	Sep 17 10:57
fewa	schestowitz, also not in that article you can see how it is the government that disses the government	Sep 17 10:58
MinceR	schestowitz: oh, i see	Sep 17 10:58
fewa	says the government cant do anything, so better turn it over to unregulated private industry	Sep 17 10:58
fewa	Iraq, Afghanistan, Patriot act, no right to sue for those killed or tortured by US soldiers, The president is above the law, health care is sort of important	Sep 17 10:59
fewa	I say that if Congress cant provide health care to the people they why should the people give health care to congress?	Sep 17 11:00
schestowitz	MinceR: he already uses this startegy	Sep 17 11:00
fewa	We are paying for their health care through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program	Sep 17 11:00
fewa	why?	Sep 17 11:00
schestowitz	IIRC, Acacia bought its anti-Linux patents not so long before the suit	Sep 17 11:01
schestowitz	It was days/weeks after a Microsoft employee joined them too	Sep 17 11:01
schestowitz	fewa: cause they set the rules	Sep 17 11:01
schestowitz	THe only way to reverse this is fear -- make them afraid of being caught and impeached	Sep 17 11:02
fewa	enforce the law	Sep 17 11:02
schestowitz	Secrecy at the high level is intended to keep the heat down. Secrecy often implies crime/corruption	Sep 17 11:02
fewa	that is the job of the president	Sep 17 11:02
fewa	but he says that "he will look forward not backwards"	Sep 17 11:02
schestowitz	President hasn't much job	Sep 17 11:02
schestowitz	He gives speeches	Sep 17 11:02
fewa	all crimes happened in the past	Sep 17 11:02
fewa	its such a farse to his job description	Sep 17 11:02
fewa	schestowitz, the job as is set by the constitution	Sep 17 11:03
schestowitz	He's being 'indocrinated' into nodding to what proposals are brought up from industry through their elected officials whom they fund	Sep 17 11:03
fewa	well HR 3200 would improve health care in the US greatly	Sep 17 11:03
fewa	as it stands	Sep 17 11:03
fewa	its not perfect	Sep 17 11:03
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schestowitz	Obama is not a dictator	Sep 17 11:03
schestowitz	President is president	Sep 17 11:03
fewa	lots have called for single payer like the rest of the developed world has	Sep 17 11:03
schestowitz	it's the man who signs stuff	Sep 17 11:03
fewa	yes	Sep 17 11:04
fewa	and he doesn't have to	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	Like NAFTA! :-)	Sep 17 11:04
fewa	2/3 of each house can override him	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	If not, it won't do	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	It's complicated	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	Look at 'bailout'	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	There was extoriton	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	Outright mafia tactics	Sep 17 11:04
fewa	But he does have to sole power to enforce the law	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	People were threatened they would be put in trouble if they did not approve	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	They blew the while	Sep 17 11:04
fewa	citizens can only do a little bit at their own expense through tort suits	Sep 17 11:04
schestowitz	*whistle	Sep 17 11:05
schestowitz	That there would be "Marshall Law" and Down would fall 2000-3000 points in one day if they don't sign	Sep 17 11:05
fewa	There are many parts of our government that are quite good	Sep 17 11:05
fewa	that do their job, that improve the quality of life for citizens	Sep 17 11:05
schestowitz	In theory -- yes	Sep 17 11:05
schestowitz	In practice they look after themselves	Sep 17 11:06
fewa	schestowitz, who cares if it falls?	Sep 17 11:06
schestowitz	How to get reelected and collect money from favour they gave while in power	Sep 17 11:06
fewa	its a friggen index of the biggest corporations	Sep 17 11:06
zlg	US has to kick the habbit of borrowing massive amounts of money off other countries.	Sep 17 11:06
fewa	its a measure of the wealth of the wealthy	Sep 17 11:06
fewa	not small business which make of the majority of the economy	Sep 17 11:06
schestowitz	Yes	Sep 17 11:06
schestowitz	BUT..	Sep 17 11:06
schestowitz	THe illusion sold is that corporations make America	Sep 17 11:07
fewa	not government which can uplift the economy in a recession	Sep 17 11:07
fewa	but its a myth	Sep 17 11:07
schestowitz	And if companies went out of business, mom and pop stores would not exist, either	Sep 17 11:07
fewa	and if it fell apart we would realize the emporer has no clothes	Sep 17 11:07
schestowitz	So people are trained to admire the big industry	Sep 17 11:07
schestowitz	People like DOnals Trump	Sep 17 11:07
schestowitz	and OMG OBAMA!	Sep 17 11:07
fewa	If there are real politics it will collapse	Sep 17 11:07
fewa	if someone with real power decided to stand up to the thug tactics	Sep 17 11:07
fewa	called the bluff	Sep 17 11:08
zlg	business big and small do one thing that is neccessry for an economy, they employ and pay people.	Sep 17 11:08
schestowitz	Will it be televised? :-p	Sep 17 11:08
fewa	the rich really only have 2 things they control:	Sep 17 11:08
fewa	1) natural resources, extremely important	Sep 17 11:08
fewa	2) large industrial process, things like the big chemical companies	Sep 17 11:08
schestowitz	'Contro;	Sep 17 11:08
schestowitz	Through expansionism	Sep 17 11:08
schestowitz	Obama is useful hre	Sep 17 11:08
fewa	everything else is controled by the people if they want it	Sep 17 11:09
schestowitz	In taking African from the Chinese...	Sep 17 11:09
schestowitz	"Look! I'm from Kenya too!"	Sep 17 11:09
schestowitz	Never mind family connections there with a disruptor in SA	Sep 17 11:09
fewa	those 2 things are the only things that would have to be "taken"	Sep 17 11:09
schestowitz	fewa: yes, the wages excuse is old	Sep 17 11:09
schestowitz	Money is just debt	Sep 17 11:09
schestowitz	That's how it's created... out of a debt	Sep 17 11:10
fewa	wage slavery is only differnt from slavery in that it is temporary	Sep 17 11:10
fewa	this is not a fringe view	Sep 17 11:10
fewa	Abraham Lincoln held it	Sep 17 11:10
schestowitz	Real property is not tomatoes in your garden	Sep 17 11:10
schestowitz	That's how capital is made	Sep 17 11:10
zlg	and volentary	Sep 17 11:10
schestowitz	fewa: also working conditions	Sep 17 11:11
fewa	and due to the 2nd amendment you cant institute marshell law in the United States	Sep 17 11:11
schestowitz	Although I think it's degrading	Sep 17 11:11
fewa	same in Canada	Sep 17 11:11
schestowitz	Opening of borders marketed as unity when it in fact it's bargaining over price	Sep 17 11:11
fewa	and its not open borders	Sep 17 11:11
fewa	schestowitz, you have not tried to cross the land borders in the united states	Sep 17 11:11
fewa	you get hastled	Sep 17 11:11
fewa	hell	Sep 17 11:12
schestowitz	Open-source borders :-) :-)	Sep 17 11:12
schestowitz	Anyone can modify the fence and redistribute the change	Sep 17 11:12
fewa	you even get hastled by the TSA if you try to fly domestically in this country	Sep 17 11:12
fewa	Papieren Bitte?	Sep 17 11:12
fewa	Papieren Bitte?	Sep 17 11:12
schestowitz	Fingerprints (digital) are mandatory now	Sep 17 11:12
fewa	and not secure	Sep 17 11:12
schestowitz	I've always wondered what they match that /with/	Sep 17 11:12
fewa	they broke the digital passports	Sep 17 11:12
schestowitz	Unless a crime was to take place	Sep 17 11:13
fewa	they can create copies that say anything, that can be anyone	Sep 17 11:13
schestowitz	Though my German passport does have fingerprint data in it now	Sep 17 11:13
fewa	they created one which said it was elvis presly	Sep 17 11:13
fewa	its security theatre	Sep 17 11:13
schestowitz	Heh.	Sep 17 11:13
schestowitz	That's Schneier's term, I think	Sep 17 11:13
schestowitz	TSA theatre	Sep 17 11:13
schestowitz	At lunchtime they do an interlude and so a TSA YMCA	Sep 17 11:14
fewa	http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/03/dutch-rfid-e-passport-cracked-us-next/	Sep 17 11:14
fewa	hmm cant find the origional page	Sep 17 11:15
fewa	described how to do it and had a video	Sep 17 11:15
zlg	security is not absolute, there are varying levels of security, and no security or cypher is unbreakable.	Sep 17 11:15
schestowitz	Maggie Shiels : Silicon Valley 'seeing revival'	Sep 17 11:16
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8258119.stm	Sep 17 11:16
fewa	video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3185369830560352967	Sep 17 11:16
schestowitz	GOogle Video is a case of duplication	Sep 17 11:17
schestowitz	Why has Google not fully merged them yet?	Sep 17 11:18
fewa	because google video is better	Sep 17 11:18
fewa	and old urls	Sep 17 11:18
fewa	that video needs to be more videly circulated	Sep 17 11:18
schestowitz	http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=awwww_football_geeks_you_too&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1	Sep 17 11:18
fewa	people dont know	Sep 17 11:18
schestowitz	Tell Shiels	Sep 17 11:19
fewa	some think that electronics are "magic"	Sep 17 11:19
schestowitz	Rather, that those making them are 'errorless' magicians	Sep 17 11:19
fewa	yes	Sep 17 11:19
schestowitz	And that BillG is a genius	Sep 17 11:20
fewa	hahahaha	Sep 17 11:20
schestowitz	And ALbertE is the 'smartest' man ever	Sep 17 11:20
fewa	yeah that one	Sep 17 11:20
schestowitz	It's the old idea of 'selling' brands of people	Sep 17 11:20
fewa	In more honest times it was called propaganda	Sep 17 11:20
schestowitz	The Fuhrer	Sep 17 11:20
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schestowitz	Omnipotent Obama...	Sep 17 11:20
schestowitz	Obama love you!	Sep 17 11:21
schestowitz	He really does	Sep 17 11:21
schestowitz	He looks into your eyes...	Sep 17 11:21
fewa	Change and Hope	Sep 17 11:21
fewa	infinite loop	Sep 17 11:21
schestowitz	And he's all about the people... blah blah...	Sep 17 11:21
schestowitz	Didn't he just extend the PATRIOT ACT for the 'people'?	Sep 17 11:21
fewa	yarp	Sep 17 11:21
schestowitz	/s/the/his/	Sep 17 11:21
zlg	Dont forget Roy "YES WE CAN".	Sep 17 11:21
schestowitz	fewa: he changed.	Sep 17 11:21
fewa	continuing the iraq was for is people	Sep 17 11:21
schestowitz	Then he changed again :-)	Sep 17 11:22
fewa	/s/the/his/	Sep 17 11:22
schestowitz	180+180=360	Sep 17 11:22
fewa	and the campaigns never talk about politics	Sep 17 11:23
fewa	as the people disagree with both politicians on most issues	Sep 17 11:23
schestowitz	http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=maggie_s_farm_a_follow_up&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1	Sep 17 11:23
schestowitz	"For instance, Michael Moore is getting discouraged, too. And all he's doing is trying to point out fundamental flaws in US economy, politics, and culture. Flaws that the citizens of every other country tell us and tell us and tell us that we have, and nobody listens."	Sep 17 11:23
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schestowitz	Funny image	Sep 17 11:23
fewa	I watched the Nader biography documentary recendly	Sep 17 11:23
schestowitz	What's up w/ him?	Sep 17 11:23
fewa	Its hard to fathom all the reform that guy pushed through	Sep 17 11:23
fewa	Clean Air Act, Airbags, renumberation of plane tickets if you are bumped, Seatbelts, Clean Water Act, Atomic Safety Act, Freedom of Information Act	Sep 17 11:24
fewa	Occupation Safety and Health Act	Sep 17 11:25
zlg	It's what Governments do !	Sep 17 11:25
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fewa	Environmental Protection Act which established the EPA	Sep 17 11:27
schestowitz	Goldman Pillages, Goldman Steals, Goldman Sachs < http://www.marketrap.com/article/view_article/91135/goldman-pillages-goldman-steals-goldman-sachs >	Sep 17 11:27
fewa	the organization that test the water, makes sure it doesn't kill you	Sep 17 11:28
twitter	Nader was a cool dude. He should turn his attention to software.	Sep 17 11:28
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fewa	http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/14/nyt_investigation_exposes_severity_of_nationwide	Sep 17 11:28
fewa	twitter, he did address the lock out of Car repairs	Sep 17 11:28
twitter	He complains that much of his work has been systematically undermined over the last 20 years, and he's right.	Sep 17 11:28
twitter	I think he's due for a resurgence.	Sep 17 11:29
twitter	I'd like to rant about how much Windows sucks, but I've said most of it already.	Sep 17 11:29
fewa	http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/05/right-repair-law-pro http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/18/EDLD17LEO9.DTL&type=autos	Sep 17 11:29
fewa	twitter, yes undermined http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/14/nyt_investigation_exposes_severity_of_nationwide	Sep 17 11:30
fewa	Also Bush cut all the funding money for the EPA	Sep 17 11:30
fewa	and other agencies	Sep 17 11:30
fewa	so that OSHA could not be enforced	Sep 17 11:30
twitter	I've had to put up with two annoying things at work. They won't let me use my laptop and Windows is just awful.	Sep 17 11:30
fewa	*(well asked for the repubs in congress to repeal)	Sep 17 11:30
twitter	Can you imagine telling the physicist that he can't use the software he thinks is useful?	Sep 17 11:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Michael Moore calls for investigation of Goldman Sachs http://ping.fm/3gXQI		Sep 17 11:31
twitter	They worry that I'll "steal" their precious "propitiatory data"	Sep 17 11:32
fewa	If all the Airbags and Seatbelts said "Nader" the people might realize the effect he has had	Sep 17 11:32
twitter	but they let people browse the web with IE6 and use Outlook.	Sep 17 11:32
twitter	the latest fail? I can't easily use USB sticks.	Sep 17 11:33
fewa	why?	Sep 17 11:33
twitter	all the "drive letters" have already been mapped.	Sep 17 11:33
zlg	twitter do you have access to all the ports ?	Sep 17 11:33
fewa	aww yes	Sep 17 11:33
fewa	idiocy	Sep 17 11:33
twitter	the IT dude told me it was easy to fix. When I looked it up, the M$ page said that I'd better make sure I backed up all of my data before I messed with mapping. I dropped the whole idea like a hot turd.	Sep 17 11:34
twitter	Is Windows really so stupid that "mapping" a "drive letter" will wipe your data?	Sep 17 11:34
zlg	like your FTP and TELNET ports, so you can upload and download data, plus through 8080 so it does seem stupid.	Sep 17 11:34
fewa	its just a friggen mount	Sep 17 11:34
twitter	yes. not even a mount.	Sep 17 11:35
fewa	indows is so bad they have to give new names for the ideas they copy	Sep 17 11:35
twitter	the OS dutifully mounts USB sticks when you plug them in, it just won't let you look at them.	Sep 17 11:35
fewa	so the features are not compared to their superior correlaries	Sep 17 11:35
fewa	its cause NT doesn't think in drive letters	Sep 17 11:35
fewa	that was a hack to make it have some semblence of compat with CP/M	Sep 17 11:36
twitter	I wonder if the OS does auto run ....	Sep 17 11:36
fewa	twitter, yes it does	Sep 17 11:36
twitter	Yeah, everything is a floppy drive!	Sep 17 11:36
fewa	runs any completely untrusted code on any mounted disk	Sep 17 11:36
twitter	It would be nice if they had an /etc/fstab file I could fix....	Sep 17 11:36
fewa	instead they have this great things called a registry	Sep 17 11:37
twitter	OK. That's enough of my rant. I'll just take longer to do my job.	Sep 17 11:37
schestowitz	http://www.patriotledger.com/opinions/x1916876377/COMMENTARY-Right-to-repair-bill-shifts-control-from-dealer-to-owner	Sep 17 11:37
twitter	software in your car should not have owners	Sep 17 11:38
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fewa	that why that law should be passed	Sep 17 11:38
fewa	its in the same spirit of legistation passed in the 70s	Sep 17 11:39
twitter	gn	Sep 17 11:39
fewa	which said that the auto manufacture could not invalidate your warrenty if you get 3rd party repairs	Sep 17 11:39
schestowitz	nn	Sep 17 11:39
fewa	nn	Sep 17 11:39
schestowitz	http://www.fsf.org/news/software-freedom-day-boston-2009	Sep 17 11:40
schestowitz	http://www.reddit.com/tb/9kw6r	Sep 17 11:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @dpic Tell #Google to fulfill their commitment to open standards with #odf support for presentations http://ping.fm/vqIQD !FSF		Sep 17 11:42
schestowitz	http://www.dataliberation.org/ "The Data Liberation Front is an engineering team at Google whose singular goal is to make it easier for users to move their data in and out of Google products."	Sep 17 11:42
fewa	http://en.windows7sins.org/ it stressed the anti-features	Sep 17 11:44
fewa	I really like that	Sep 17 11:45
schestowitz	Windows zealots might not like it	Sep 17 11:52
schestowitz	They attacked the FSF for it	Sep 17 11:52
schestowitz	Bigotry against the truth about Vista 7	Sep 17 11:52
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fewa	Anti-features are one of those things that you can get accross really easy	Sep 17 11:56
fewa	its so self-evident	Sep 17 11:56
fewa	that the user is not in control when there are anti-features	Sep 17 11:56
fewa	and that its making your computer less useful	Sep 17 11:56
schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20090915/0430416199.shtml Content Owners Force Hulu To Block Mobile Browsers As Well	Sep 17 11:57
oiaohm	The thing is anti-features could get stronger.	Sep 17 11:58
oiaohm	Particularly if they are embeded into video cards and screens.	Sep 17 11:59
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fewa	but users dont want them	Sep 17 12:13
fewa	they make devices less useful	Sep 17 12:13
fewa	noone will go out of their way to buy something with the feature	Sep 17 12:13
fewa	thats why the MAFIAA constantly asks congress to mandate certain anti-features	Sep 17 12:14
fewa	cause otherwise noone would ever but something with them	Sep 17 12:14
fewa	the way Blu-ray and DVD is mandated and a private club violates alot of anti-trust laws	Sep 17 12:14
fewa	at least under the arguments of Real Media	Sep 17 12:15
fewa	*as a	Sep 17 12:15
schestowitz	Antrust is a good name for "DRM"	Sep 17 12:16
fewa	i.e. we dont trust you	Sep 17 12:17
fewa	yeah thats pretty good	Sep 17 12:17
schestowitz	Academics 'bullied' over ID cards http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4643467.stm	Sep 17 12:18
schestowitz	'Ministers "bullied" academics who wrote a report criticising plans for identity cards, the director of the London School of Economics (LSE) has alleged.'	Sep 17 12:18
fewa	Don't speak freely	Sep 17 12:18
fewa	the government will come after you	Sep 17 12:19
fewa	Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the study was "technically incompetent".	Sep 17 12:19
fewa	....and he Totally knows what he is talking about	Sep 17 12:19
fewa	cause he knows alot about computers and stuff....	Sep 17 12:19
schestowitz	Uganda Unveils Online Gorilla Tracking http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/uganda-to-peddle-gorilla-tourism-online/	Sep 17 12:20
fewa	if you critisise state actions you are "incompetent"	Sep 17 12:20
schestowitz	We do the same in the UK... with people, not gorillas	Sep 17 12:20
schestowitz	fewa: "it's the job of intellectuals to praise the leaders"	Sep 17 12:21
schestowitz	They are usually the first one to be assassinated in a revolution.	Sep 17 12:21
fewa	yep	Sep 17 12:21
fewa	thats exactly why they need to speek up	Sep 17 12:21
fewa	otherwise there will be a police state instituted and they will be killed	Sep 17 12:21
schestowitz	http://www.ekopedia.org/	Sep 17 12:26
schestowitz	Methane mining could trigger killer gas cloud http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327254.500-methane-mining-could-trigger-killer-gas-cloud.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news	Sep 17 12:26
schestowitz	http://mozillaservice.org/	Sep 17 12:27
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2009/sep/14/dolphin-cull-taiji-japan?picture=352924545	Sep 17 12:28
schestowitz	Lnjux Format in Russian?? http://linuxformat.ru/foss-contest/	Sep 17 12:32
schestowitz	Facebook Envy? MySpace Open-Sources Recommendation Framework http://mashable.com/2009/09/15/myspace-qizmt/	Sep 17 12:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Open Standards for Sign Languages - http://bit.ly/pDgJY wow, mind-blowing post: do read it		Sep 17 12:37
schestowitz	Cinema Admissions Rise 14.5 Percent During The Downturn < http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-cinema-admissions-rise-14.5-percent-during-the-downturn/ >	Sep 17 12:38
schestowitz	People escape the reality	Sep 17 12:38
DaemonFC	looks like Ubuntu won't be getting a new theme after all	Sep 17 12:39
schestowitz	Some press is pretending that's it's ending, selling fantasies to fools	Sep 17 12:39
DaemonFC	2nd artwork drop consists of zOMG!!11 icons	Sep 17 12:39
schestowitz	DaemonFC: download one, the	Sep 17 12:39
DaemonFC	:)	Sep 17 12:39
DaemonFC	why would more people go to the movies?	Sep 17 12:40
DaemonFC	that makes no sense	Sep 17 12:40
DaemonFC	"at £6.50 a time minus the popcorn and Coke, it’s not like the old days."	Sep 17 12:41
DaemonFC	hmmm, some things are the same everywhere I guess	Sep 17 12:41
DaemonFC	I usually just sneak in through the side door	Sep 17 12:41
MinceR	i usually pay via culture pass	Sep 17 12:42
MinceR	(sodexo)	Sep 17 12:42
fewa	and cinema prices are _way_ up	Sep 17 12:43
fewa	along with profits...	Sep 17 12:43
MinceR	i didn't notice that	Sep 17 12:43
MinceR	maybe it depends on the place	Sep 17 12:43
fewa	hmm maybe us is differn't	Sep 17 12:43
fewa	here I believe prices have gone up and viewership gone down	Sep 17 12:43
fewa	but revenue is up	Sep 17 12:43
schestowitz	Terraforming the Sahara http://heliophage.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/terraforming-the-sahara/	Sep 17 12:44
fewa	and the extremely concentrated Regal Cinema chain is doing well	Sep 17 12:44
fewa	I was in LA and it was $11 for a friggen ticket	Sep 17 12:45
fewa	it was nuts	Sep 17 12:45
MinceR	well, i've heard that we don't really cut down spending here in hungary, despite the crisis	Sep 17 12:45
fewa	american did	Sep 17 12:45
fewa	*americans	Sep 17 12:45
fewa	but it does vary	Sep 17 12:46
fewa	California is in deep financial shit	Sep 17 12:47
fewa	they have a problem where most of their revenue is from income tax	Sep 17 12:47
fewa	so when the economy is up they are flying	Sep 17 12:47
fewa	and when it comes down they have serious problems	Sep 17 12:47
fewa	and they cant just print money like the feds	Sep 17 12:47
MinceR	i mean recreational spending	Sep 17 12:49
MinceR	obviously people buy less cars and houses now :)	Sep 17 12:49
schestowitz	Mozilla on FLash: Online Safety: Helping People Help Themselves < http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2009/09/16/online-safety-helping-people-help-themselves/ >	Sep 17 12:50
DaemonFC	California is a joke	Sep 17 12:50
DaemonFC	among the highest taxed state and the state is still bankrupt	Sep 17 12:50
DaemonFC	*states	Sep 17 12:50
DaemonFC	it's cause of all the wasteful spending	Sep 17 12:51
DaemonFC	and allowing public servants to form unions	Sep 17 12:51
DaemonFC	the state pays public workers much higher than any job they could find in the private sector	Sep 17 12:51
DaemonFC	then those people still bitch that they aren't paid more	Sep 17 12:52
DaemonFC	then their child protective services is all uber-liberal	Sep 17 12:52
DaemonFC	kids think it's funny to turn their parents in for not being "supportive" of their sexual orientation and then the state sends them to live with a foster family that does beat them or something	Sep 17 12:53
fewa	yeah i dont know about that	Sep 17 12:53
DaemonFC	they also try to put black kids in with black families to be politically correct	Sep 17 12:54
DaemonFC	it was in the news a while back that they did that and the black family was beating and starving the kid that they took from the white foster family	Sep 17 12:54
DaemonFC	they took the kid out of a perfectly good home because they wanted to make a political statement	Sep 17 12:55
DaemonFC	and the kid ended up being killed	Sep 17 12:55
DaemonFC	California is every bit as fucked up as Texas	Sep 17 12:55
DaemonFC	only to the far left instead of the far right	Sep 17 12:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "How UK oil company Trafigura tried to cover up African pollution disaster" http://ping.fm/J4QNy Usually it "doesn't count" outside the ...		Sep 17 12:55
MinceR	you mean the usian sense of "far left" which elsewhere means "just a smidgeon less far right", right?	Sep 17 12:56
DaemonFC	then they had that voter initiative that banned same-sex marriages that the blacks and hispanics passed	Sep 17 12:56
schestowitz	Companies Urge US Senate to Pass GHG Reduction Bill < http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/010541.html >	Sep 17 12:56
DaemonFC	MinceR: No, I mean bleeding heart liberal	Sep 17 12:56
DaemonFC	for the most part	Sep 17 12:56
DaemonFC	and the minorities over there stil lstab each other in the back if the church says to do it	Sep 17 12:57
DaemonFC	those blacks and hispanics over there get played like a cheap fiddle by big religion	Sep 17 12:57
MinceR	what's liberal about that?	Sep 17 12:57
DaemonFC	MinceR: They're far left as far as it suits them and THEIR cause	Sep 17 12:58
DaemonFC	if the church said "Niggers should be slaves", they'd be up in arms	Sep 17 12:58
DaemonFC	if the church says "Faggots shouldn't marry" they're right there with them	Sep 17 12:58
DaemonFC	it's disgusting how they spent over 100 years fighting the same shit they want to turn around and impose on everyone else	Sep 17 12:59
DaemonFC	that's why I really don't give a shit about them if you want to know the truth	Sep 17 12:59
MinceR	isn't that the same all over the usa? also, how is that left?	Sep 17 12:59
DaemonFC	they're hypocrites	Sep 17 12:59
DaemonFC	MinceR: They form a voting bloc that's big enough to get whatever they want	Sep 17 13:00
DaemonFC	just like old people	Sep 17 13:00
DaemonFC	and they're liberal as far as THEIR cause goes	Sep 17 13:00
DaemonFC	is what I'm saying	Sep 17 13:00
MinceR	so they allow themselves to do anything? :>	Sep 17 13:00
DaemonFC	pretty much	Sep 17 13:00
DaemonFC	I think to achieve freedom in this country, you have to rally everyone else around a group that disgusts them more	Sep 17 13:02
DaemonFC	like first it was whites vs. blacks	Sep 17 13:02
DaemonFC	then it was whites and blacks against hispanics	Sep 17 13:02
DaemonFC	but everyone agreed the whole time that women were inferior	Sep 17 13:02
DaemonFC	now we're over pretty much all that	Sep 17 13:02
DaemonFC	and it's to the point where everyone is homophobic	Sep 17 13:03
DaemonFC	*pretty much over	Sep 17 13:03
DaemonFC	I wonder if 20 years from now we'll move past that and find something else to hate	Sep 17 13:04
DaemonFC	according to a poll I saw a while back, people in this country trust gays/lesbians, and atheists less than Muslims	Sep 17 13:04
DaemonFC	that's pretty low on the ladder	Sep 17 13:04
DaemonFC	I don't recall gays and lesbians and atheists hijacking planes	Sep 17 13:05
DaemonFC	or strapping bombs to themselves	Sep 17 13:05
DaemonFC	yet the stupid fucks in this country trust them less than Muslims	Sep 17 13:05
fewa	is someone talking that i have idnored?	Sep 17 13:06
fewa	*ignored	Sep 17 13:06
MinceR	fewa: yes	Sep 17 13:06
DaemonFC	MinceR: That's like saying "OK, well, the Muslims stabbed us in the back several times already, but we still trust them more than people that haven't ever done anything to us!"	Sep 17 13:06
MinceR	DaemonFC: humans have just got to have someone to hate, no matter the reason	Sep 17 13:06
fewa	The media wants to be seen as liberal	Sep 17 13:07
MinceR	choose a random team and then go beat another team up	Sep 17 13:07
fewa	as if the media is liberal then there is no need to seek out alternative sources	Sep 17 13:07
MinceR	nothing else matters	Sep 17 13:07
DaemonFC	maybe we should hijack planes and blow people up so we'll be as respected as the damned Muslims	Sep 17 13:07
MinceR	DaemonFC: whose respect do you want?	Sep 17 13:08
DaemonFC	I'm just saying that the world rewards cruelty and pettiness	Sep 17 13:08
DaemonFC	of course Christians and Muslims are higher on the food chain	Sep 17 13:08
MinceR	no, not the world. human society.	Sep 17 13:08
MinceR	the world rewards cooperation, creation, innovation and improvement more.	Sep 17 13:09
DaemonFC	only as far as killing others goes	Sep 17 13:09
MinceR	human society could get a lot further without its destructive tendencies.	Sep 17 13:09
DaemonFC	MinceR: Even the internet was brought about by the military	Sep 17 13:10
MinceR	doesn't mean it had to be	Sep 17 13:10
MinceR	there are nonmilitary applications to a WAN.	Sep 17 13:10
DaemonFC	well, conflict causes rapid technological development	Sep 17 13:10
MinceR	conflict doesn't have to be about beating the other guy up, either	Sep 17 13:10
DaemonFC	necessity is the mother of invention	Sep 17 13:11
fewa	sustainable?	Sep 17 13:11
DaemonFC	I'd say that staring down another nuclear power brought about a need for invention	Sep 17 13:11
MinceR	what humanity is doing now is hardly sustainable	Sep 17 13:11
fewa	DaemonFC, what about the nuclear bombing of Japan?	Sep 17 13:11
DaemonFC	what about it?	Sep 17 13:11
DaemonFC	if you don't want a war, don't fucking start a war	Sep 17 13:12
DaemonFC	tough shit	Sep 17 13:12
fewa	Do you want to get bomed?	Sep 17 13:12
fewa	DaemonFC, are the people in control of that?	Sep 17 13:12
DaemonFC	in a way, yes	Sep 17 13:12
fewa	the American people don't want, and have never wanted, war with Iraq	Sep 17 13:12
DaemonFC	they enabled it'	Sep 17 13:12
fewa	shit, im ignoring you again	Sep 17 13:12
DaemonFC	fewa: Enough do that it continues	Sep 17 13:12
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DaemonFC	fewa: I'm sure that not everyone in Japan wanted war with us	Sep 17 13:13
DaemonFC	but enough did that they declared war and got themselves nuked	Sep 17 13:13
fewa	People are responsible for the predictable consequences of their actions	Sep 17 13:13
fewa	if you kill someone you are responsible	Sep 17 13:13
DaemonFC	so stupid people usually do drag you down with them	Sep 17 13:14
fewa	if you start a war	Sep 17 13:14
fewa	you are responsible	Sep 17 13:14
DaemonFC	well, the military strategy of the Axis in World War II was fairly stupid anyway	Sep 17 13:14
DaemonFC	being at war with pretty much everybody, opening a fight on every front	Sep 17 13:15
fewa	you are not responsible for the predictable consequences for other peoples actions	Sep 17 13:15
DaemonFC	they should have kept attacking and taking over small countries that nobody would have gone to war for	Sep 17 13:15
DaemonFC	the British would have kept trying to placate Hitler til he was already on their front porch	Sep 17 13:15
DaemonFC	attacking them and their allies directly meant that they could no longer pretend it wasn't their problem	Sep 17 13:16
DaemonFC	I'm sure the German people thought declaring war on everyone was a bad idea	Sep 17 13:19
DaemonFC	enough thought otherwise to royally fuck all of them over	Sep 17 13:20
fewa	Naomi Klein on double speak through the "good cop" "bad cop" right and left http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/14/naomi_klein_on_minority_death_match	Sep 17 13:20
fewa	in regards to racism and the economic crisis	Sep 17 13:20
DaemonFC	http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/66/04/48/10/0066044810747_AV_500X500.jpg	Sep 17 13:23
DaemonFC	Walmart never throws anything away, huh?	Sep 17 13:23
DaemonFC	http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/66/04/48/10/0066044810417_AV_500X500.jpg	Sep 17 13:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sharing is Better Than Not Sharing — New #Video http://ping.fm/1by8S		Sep 17 13:28
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-qRJM5750A	Sep 17 13:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Massive violations of Clean Water Act >500,000 in the last five years exposes 1 in 10 Americans to unsafe drinking water http://ur1.ca/busw		Sep 17 13:30
oiaohm	http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-343212.html << Hello arm processors with a bit of grunt.	Sep 17 13:40
schestowitz	Heh. Bundy.	Sep 17 13:42
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GFq6usPg6U	Sep 17 13:45
schestowitz	Microsoft buddy gives them a praise (MacDonalds): http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com.au/articles/35512-Microsoft-products-as-secure-as-open-source-Gartner	Sep 17 13:54
schestowitz	He probably looks forward to the next contract witht he Vole	Sep 17 13:54
fewa	lawl chromium now makes browsing noises	Sep 17 13:54
MinceR	what's the sound of one hand browsing?	Sep 17 13:59
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schestowitz	Hey, wallclimber	Sep 17 14:03
schestowitz	There?	Sep 17 14:04
wallclimber	yes, i'm here :)	Sep 17 14:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Turns out Free software is "THE" thing to beat now.. http://ping.fm/6cz3n		Sep 17 14:04
schestowitz	Tomorrow we'll go past 7500 posts in BN	Sep 17 14:05
schestowitz	This included hundreds of exhibits that were turned into posts	Sep 17 14:05
schestowitz	We pretty much finished what was on the 'stack'	Sep 17 14:05
wallclimber	7500, that's a good-sized collection!	Sep 17 14:06
wallclimber	"pretty much" finished? what's left?	Sep 17 14:07
schestowitz	Lots in the Wiki	Sep 17 14:10
schestowitz	I'll do one from the Wiki shortly. It lacks intrpetation	Sep 17 14:10
schestowitz	In many cases most of the text is missing.	Sep 17 14:11
schestowitz	Microsoft's last hurrah is trying to steal the FOSS movement. http://www.fiercecontentmanagement.com/story/dotnetnuke-co-founder-joins-micorsofts-codeplex-project/2009-09-16	Sep 17 14:11
wallclimber	text missing from the original pdf (as in redacted)?	Sep 17 14:11
schestowitz	BN is one of the leading sources that counter this	Sep 17 14:11
schestowitz	wallclimber: no, not transcribed	Sep 17 14:11
wallclimber	ok, that's fixable.	Sep 17 14:12
schestowitz	Someone from Borland community got in touch after that last post	Sep 17 14:12
schestowitz	We might as well do some Borland stuff then	Sep 17 14:12
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Borland	Sep 17 14:12
wallclimber	(I'm reading it now)	Sep 17 14:13
schestowitz	I've just updated this page	Sep 17 14:14
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schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/px01174.pdf	Sep 17 14:16
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/On_closing_the_DEC_rat_holes_and_Borland_hacking_the_applause-o-meter	Sep 17 14:16
fewa	http://cheese.blartwendo.com/web21-demo.html	Sep 17 14:24
fewa	web 2.1 blink ta	Sep 17 14:24
schestowitz	New pages: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Brad_Silverberg http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Joachim_Kempin	Sep 17 14:25
MinceR	fewa: lol	Sep 17 14:30
schestowitz	"The most significant upgrade is that there is now support for the server-side blink tag."	Sep 17 14:31
schestowitz	So that's what the ".1" is all about..	Sep 17 14:32
MinceR	there's a link to the server-side marquee tag, too	Sep 17 14:32
fewa	gosh the chromium browsing noises are funny	Sep 17 14:33
fewa	that was the least useful feature of internet explorer	Sep 17 14:33
wallclimber	Roy, you said someone from Borland got in touch with you after the last Comes posting. It surprises me that more of the companies that had their names mentioned (and insulted by MS execs) in those old Comes emails haven't been saying something about it all	Sep 17 14:35
schestowitz	MinceR: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10354530-16.html	Sep 17 14:35
schestowitz	GOogle=open source	Sep 17 14:35
schestowitz	argues Mr Asay	Sep 17 14:35
MinceR	why feed him?	Sep 17 14:36
MinceR	he does it for hits	Sep 17 14:36
schestowitz	To show what he's like	Sep 17 14:36
schestowitz	Apple=open source	Sep 17 14:36
schestowitz	Google=kind of open source	Sep 17 14:36
MinceR	i already know	Sep 17 14:36
wallclimber	on the other hand, i suppose none of them would be surprised at the content of those emails...	Sep 17 14:36
schestowitz	iPhone=== hhhhhhhhotness!	Sep 17 14:36
schestowitz	wallclimber: it's still useful	Sep 17 14:37
schestowitz	Some companies make use of these	Sep 17 14:37
schestowitz	When preparing legal motions	Sep 17 14:37
schestowitz	Groklaw too. They even cite it in some court docs	Sep 17 14:37
schestowitz	ECIS complaint was similar to Comes	Sep 17 14:37
schestowitz	Similar wording, as though it was reused	Sep 17 14:37
amarsh04	it's a case of knowing it exists, and what it contains, then it's possible for another legal party to get official court copies of such documents	Sep 17 14:38
schestowitz	The exhibits are more or less eternal (not 'news' that lasts 24 hours on the shelf), so having it out there sorted for use is rather valuable	Sep 17 14:38
schestowitz	The trolls left us alone, so the garbage that used to be thrown at the site is no more	Sep 17 14:38
schestowitz	amarsh04: http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/13/revised-jury-instructions-do-not-use-internet/?metro	Sep 17 14:39
schestowitz	MinceR: the danger is that such people become 'de facto' deciders or spokespeople for 'FOSS'	Sep 17 14:41
MinceR	i hoped that FLOSS would ignore such clowns	Sep 17 14:41
schestowitz	They try to push FSF outside the circlew	Sep 17 14:42
schestowitz	And then put at the centre Apple Mac lovers, people who do 'mixed source', patents, etc.	Sep 17 14:42
DaemonFC	MinceR: Nice liberal douche video btw	Sep 17 14:43
schestowitz	ANd they call it "open source" and tell the press that "open source has simply evolved this way"	Sep 17 14:43
amarsh04	I think that if I was on a jury again I'd only listen to strictly music stations and read books, not take part in any more on-line activities until the trial was over	Sep 17 14:43
DaemonFC	nice shark, pretty shark	Sep 17 14:43
*DaemonFC opens his wrists and gives them more blood		Sep 17 14:43
schestowitz	The whole SAAS-FOSS nonsense as well	Sep 17 14:43
schestowitz	If you don't guard your identity, you'll lose it	Sep 17 14:43
fewa	schestowitz, yep u see that wikileaks on their destruction of a EU paper on free software	Sep 17 14:43
fewa	http://wikileaks.org/wiki/How_to_Hijack_an_EU_Open_Source_Strategy_Paper	Sep 17 14:44
DaemonFC	http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_40.html	Sep 17 14:44
schestowitz	I think I knew who leaked it	Sep 17 14:44
schestowitz	It could have been leaked in other places too	Sep 17 14:44
schestowitz	They need support (wikileaks)	Sep 17 14:44
DaemonFC	or - "We want more free money cause of what y'all crackers did 200 years ago"	Sep 17 14:44
schestowitz	They take most of the heat	Sep 17 14:44
schestowitz	amarsh04: it's probably them who shot down AUssie Web censorship	Sep 17 14:44
schestowitz	They leaked the list	Sep 17 14:44
schestowitz	The German admin got a 'visit' from the police	Sep 17 14:45
schestowitz	And the fiasco that ensued when some barber shops or whatever was blacklisted led to the plan being canned -- for now	Sep 17 14:45
schestowitz	I still have my complaint about the Commission processed by the Ombudsman	Sep 17 14:45
DaemonFC	MinceR: Some of them keep raising the 200 year old ghost of racism to try to get more money	Sep 17 14:47
schestowitz	wallclimber: when 'Projfct Comes' is nearly done, the Wiki will be unrecognisable. There's a lot that can be done to make it like SOurceWatch in the future	Sep 17 14:47
MinceR	DaemonFC: what video?	Sep 17 14:47
DaemonFC	no matter what they get, we're still evil and they always want more	Sep 17 14:47
schestowitz	Yeah, what video?	Sep 17 14:47
schestowitz	MinceR posted no video here	Sep 17 14:47
DaemonFC	yeah, he did	Sep 17 14:47
amarsh04	good, I'm still waiting on a reply from my state ombudsman's office - might have to get my local member involved if they can't account for our department of transport, energy and infrastructure's lack of maintenance	Sep 17 14:47
*DaemonFC sorts through the history		Sep 17 14:48
schestowitz	Open Source Already in Armenia http://www.huliq.com/8199/86449/open-source-already-armenia	Sep 17 14:48
schestowitz	amarsh04: yeah, I remembered as I typed it	Sep 17 14:48
DaemonFC	http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/14/naomi_klein_on_minority_death_match	Sep 17 14:48
DaemonFC	That one	Sep 17 14:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Obama reverses position on Habeus Corpus for prisoners, supports renewal of PATRIOT act sections on financial data http://ur1.ca/buwd		Sep 17 14:48
MinceR	DaemonFC: who pasted that?	Sep 17 14:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Obama drops Bush missile program in Eastern Europe sharpest reversals of major Bush administration foreign policy to date http://ur1.ca/buwh		Sep 17 14:49
DaemonFC	We should round up the complainers and send them back to the third world countries their ancestors came from	Sep 17 14:49
DaemonFC	see how many opportunities they have there	Sep 17 14:49
DaemonFC	see if anyone there cares about their incessant bitching	Sep 17 14:50
schestowitz	MinceR: fewa	Sep 17 14:50
DaemonFC	all the Jesse Jackson types	Sep 17 14:50
MinceR	DaemonFC: i'm not fewa	Sep 17 14:50
fewa	which video?	Sep 17 14:50
DaemonFC	I could have swore MinceR posted that	Sep 17 14:51
MinceR	just fyi	Sep 17 14:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @scientes Obama reverses position on Habeus Corpus for prisoners, supports renewal of PATRIOT act sections on financial data http://ur1. ...		Sep 17 14:51
wallclimber	lol@ DaemonFC complaining about "incessant bitching" - very funny.	Sep 17 14:51
DaemonFC	wallclimber: The Germans rounded up the Jews and just shot them in the back of the head and gassed them	Sep 17 14:52
*MinceR rounds up DaemonFC and sends him back to wherever his ancestors came from		Sep 17 14:52
fewa	It pointed out that the targets of subprime lenging was largely the minorities and the poor	Sep 17 14:52
DaemonFC	and it's US that never hears the end of the shit black people think we did to them	Sep 17 14:52
wallclimber	Thank you MinceR	Sep 17 14:52
MinceR	np	Sep 17 14:52
DaemonFC	why don't they go to college if they don't want to keep selling drugs and being locked up?	Sep 17 14:52
schestowitz	Hehe.	Sep 17 14:52
DaemonFC	I think I'd be locked up pretty fucking fast if I was selling drugs	Sep 17 14:52
schestowitz	China exterminated 60 million and USSR 40 million	Sep 17 14:52
DaemonFC	and it's not cause of my skin color	Sep 17 14:52
DaemonFC	we've let them play the race card on some of the dumbest, most unrelated shit	Sep 17 14:53
DaemonFC	and it won't ever stop now	Sep 17 14:53
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fewa	so that getting health care, education, and other services to those poor and disencranchised would have made this crisis much less severe	Sep 17 14:53
DaemonFC	like that Henry Gates asshole	Sep 17 14:54
DaemonFC	that guy is a loudmouth asshole	Sep 17 14:54
MinceR	william, third?	Sep 17 14:54
fewa	And would be a big step in undoing the stark wealth differences from slavery and after	Sep 17 14:54
DaemonFC	if I was breaking into my house and a confused passer by thought I was breaking in to steal shit, I wouldn't be mad that they called the cops	Sep 17 14:54
DaemonFC	I wouldn't cuss out the cop	Sep 17 14:54
DaemonFC	I wouldn't yell and scream and refuse to show my driver's license	Sep 17 14:54
DaemonFC	that idiot is just a big overgorwn crybaby	Sep 17 14:55
DaemonFC	*overgrown	Sep 17 14:55
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DaemonFC	it turns out that breaking into a house is something the police might investigate	Sep 17 14:55
fewa	Klien is being an activist	Sep 17 14:56
DaemonFC	refusing to cooperate and screaming at the top of your lungs doesn't do anything except underscore what anasshole you are	Sep 17 14:56
schestowitz	DaemonFC 's house party: http://youtube.com/?v=LMxYKkMEiAs	Sep 17 14:56
DaemonFC	if a white man did that, he'd be arrested and sent to jail for obstruction	Sep 17 14:56
fewa	not exactly what some want to hear, or things I neccicarily agree with, but I thought she made some insightful points	Sep 17 14:56
DaemonFC	fewa: No matter what happens, they'll always want more	Sep 17 14:57
DaemonFC	they'll want preferential treatment	Sep 17 14:57
DaemonFC	they passed "equal" years ago	Sep 17 14:57
DaemonFC	and now they want the law to elevate them above it	Sep 17 14:57
DaemonFC	all their "communal wounds" today are self inflicted	Sep 17 14:58
DaemonFC	they've convinced themselves that they can't do better and so they won't	Sep 17 14:58
schestowitz	DaemonFC: tone it down bit, OK? Language and all.	Sep 17 14:59
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Do you have millions of people in your country refusing to integrate themselves and blaming you for all 200 years of their misfortune?	Sep 17 15:01
DaemonFC	or telling you that you need to pay more taxes to put them through college?	Sep 17 15:01
DaemonFC	or that you're the reason they went to jail for selling crack?	Sep 17 15:01
DaemonFC	then to top it off, someone that doesn't even live in my country comes by and takes a swipe at me over a situation he knows nothing about	Sep 17 15:02
DaemonFC	other than he hates America	Sep 17 15:02
DaemonFC	I guess it wouldn't do any good to educate someone with their fingers planted firmly in their ears who has already decided what they want to believe from 10,000 miles away	Sep 17 15:03
DaemonFC	unfortunately, there's enough backstabbers on the American political left who will ingratiate themselves to any group that hates this country	Sep 17 15:05
DaemonFC	it's just as bad as the far right wing radical Republicans, just in a different way	Sep 17 15:05
DaemonFC	and that video that fewa linked to is one such example	Sep 17 15:06
DaemonFC	people that don't live here and just stumble into the middle of an argument without any clue as to the bigger picture, fewa, make my blood boil	Sep 17 15:08
fewa	I live in the United States DaemonFC	Sep 17 15:08
DaemonFC	well, I'm sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt then	Sep 17 15:09
DaemonFC	I just happen to think that these affirmative action handouts cheapen the accomplishments of everyone in that group and create racial quotas that clog classrooms and workplaces with unqualified people	Sep 17 15:12
DaemonFC	apparently the courts are starting to see that too	Sep 17 15:12
DaemonFC	the case with the fire fighters	Sep 17 15:12
DaemonFC	the "minorities" got their asses handed to them with the same legislation they keep using to beat down white people in an ironic twist of fate	Sep 17 15:13
DaemonFC	http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/us/30scotus.html	Sep 17 15:14
schestowitz	Sabayon is back on kde http://wgo.wolf911.us/?p=226	Sep 17 15:15
DaemonFC	Sotomayor is just a liberall moonbat and a political implant, no better or worse than George W. Bush nominating Samuel Alito or John Roberts	Sep 17 15:15
DaemonFC	she's an anti-white racist and favors the RIAA	Sep 17 15:16
DaemonFC	what else do I need to know, honestly?	Sep 17 15:16
DaemonFC	at least in the court of appeals, she could be reversed	Sep 17 15:16
DaemonFC	now we're stuck with her til she dies of old age	Sep 17 15:16
schestowitz	Oh, look.....http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/244/ubuntu-artwork-team-starts-delivering-four-cool-themes-and-two-icon-sets-to-start-with (.Ubuntu Artwork team starts delivering - Four cool themes and two icon sets to start with! )	Sep 17 15:20
schestowitz	No need to lies about styling in Ubuntu 9.10 (As though it's immutable)	Sep 17 15:20
DaemonFC	schestowitz: It's a fact that a lot of people don't bother to change the default, don't know how, and shouldn't have to in order to replace an ugly theme	Sep 17 15:22
DaemonFC	it's like saying your car is ugly but you can always repaint it	Sep 17 15:22
MinceR	repainting a car is free and takes a free clicks now?	Sep 17 15:23
fewa	meh as long as Ubuntu fallows the established way to installation and changing of themes/artwork then having stuff pre-installed and touting it is fine	Sep 17 15:23
DaemonFC	hmmm, and they're pimping out Banshee and GNOME-Do	Sep 17 15:23
DaemonFC	:)	Sep 17 15:23
fewa	a certain class of users never change packages at all	Sep 17 15:23
DaemonFC	fewa: That's why good defaults are important	Sep 17 15:24
DaemonFC	of course, Empathy is the biggest usability regression in Karmic	Sep 17 15:25
schestowitz	Microsoft will dread at this sight: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62057833,00.htm?scid=rss_z_nw	Sep 17 15:25
DaemonFC	another piece of crapware with 10 parts and pieces entrenched into the desktop environment	Sep 17 15:26
Aondo	it's not that hard to shift it out with whatever you like thought :)	Sep 17 15:28
schestowitz	http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/09/install-proposed-comunity-themes-for.html	Sep 17 15:28
schestowitz	GNOME themes that Canonical offers in the box are still vastly inferior to Plasma themes	Sep 17 15:29
DaemonFC	GNOME suffers greatly from GTK+ limitations	Sep 17 15:29
DaemonFC	QT is less afraid to go through with major changes	Sep 17 15:30
DaemonFC	the last major upgrade to GTK+ was 7 years ago	Sep 17 15:34
schestowitz	jono spoke about this	Sep 17 15:34
schestowitz	IIRC, about a week ago on FLOSS Weekly	Sep 17 15:35
schestowitz	KDE4 is more stable for me than KDE3	Sep 17 15:35
schestowitz	Impressive.	Sep 17 15:35
DaemonFC	well, a toolkit overhaul will be needed for a real GNOME 3.0	Sep 17 15:35
schestowitz	Robust, reliable, consistent, well integrated	Sep 17 15:35
DaemonFC	if they don't bother fixing their toolkit, a new major GNOME release is pointless	Sep 17 15:35
schestowitz	Firefox and THumbderbird have work to do on integration	Sep 17 15:36
schestowitz	GUI stuff.....	Sep 17 15:36
DaemonFC	schestowitz: KDE 3 wasn't really all that bad	Sep 17 15:36
schestowitz	Also, folderview 'listens' to KDE apps, not others	Sep 17 15:36
DaemonFC	still quite usable	Sep 17 15:36
schestowitz	Yes.	Sep 17 15:36
schestowitz	But it's the past	Sep 17 15:36
schestowitz	KDE3 users will soon moev to KDE4, happily	Sep 17 15:36
schestowitz	The same functionality is here	Sep 17 15:36
DaemonFC	Well, I know of some people still using KDE 3.5.10	Sep 17 15:37
schestowitz	Better foundation, too	Sep 17 15:37
DaemonFC	my dad won't leave OpenSuse 11.0 cause it's still in the repo there	Sep 17 15:37
schestowitz	OpenSUSE 11.0 is quite new	Sep 17 15:37
schestowitz	Relatively	Sep 17 15:37
DaemonFC	it's not officially supported (KDE 3)	Sep 17 15:37
DaemonFC	it's still in there though	Sep 17 15:37
DaemonFC	it's optional	Sep 17 15:37
schestowitz	Mandriva 2008.1 had some more months to go with patches	Sep 17 15:37
schestowitz	KDE4 is default for OpenSUSE (11.2	Sep 17 15:38
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Yeah, but after a while, you're too many versions of things behind	Sep 17 15:38
DaemonFC	new kernels = more hardware that works	Sep 17 15:38
DaemonFC	etc.	Sep 17 15:38
DaemonFC	more hardware that works = I'm happier	Sep 17 15:38
DaemonFC	so I'm always close to the latest kernel just because I tend to buy hardware that older kernels don't like	Sep 17 15:39
DaemonFC	I can't use < 2.6.29 without some minor problems	Sep 17 15:39
DaemonFC	can't use < 2.6.27 at all	Sep 17 15:40
DaemonFC	on this system	Sep 17 15:40
DaemonFC	< 2.6.18 and POSIX threading is buggy and things like DOOM 3 and Enemy Territory: Quake Wars like to crash	Sep 17 15:42
DaemonFC	that's fixed in the RHEL kernels though	Sep 17 15:42
DaemonFC	Red Hat backports so many things that it's not really fair to say they use kernel 2.6.18	Sep 17 15:43
schestowitz	http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7527/1.html <-review	Sep 17 15:49
schestowitz	Palm worked here without a hitch	Sep 17 15:49
schestowitz	No tweaking needed, either. Plug and play even though jpilot was probably made for 2.4	Sep 17 15:50
schestowitz	Linux is now 12 million LOCs	Sep 17 15:50
schestowitz	Good luck to MINIX writing this much code.. even HURD	Sep 17 15:51
schestowitz	Linux becomes the ingredient in everything	Sep 17 15:52
DaemonFC	HURD	Sep 17 15:54
DaemonFC	all 3 part time HURD developers?	Sep 17 15:54
DaemonFC	12 million lines of code?	Sep 17 15:54
DaemonFC	sometime in the mid 2300's I guess	Sep 17 15:54
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grpwS7v-YSI	Sep 17 15:55
fewa	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/corporatists-vs-capitalis_b_288718.html	Sep 17 15:55
fewa	I don't see how he can defend capitalism like that	Sep 17 15:56
fewa	I can see the defense of markets	Sep 17 15:56
MinceR	depends on how long we're going to drag the monolithic kernel architecture :>	Sep 17 15:56
fewa	or having a system where people are rewarded for their actions	Sep 17 15:56
fewa	but capitalism is not just about free trade but about the accumulation of wealth	Sep 17 15:57
fewa	thats what corporatism is	Sep 17 15:57
fewa	he is defending a maintained free market, but conflating it with capitalism	Sep 17 15:58
fewa	they are two differn't things	Sep 17 15:59
schestowitz	Intel, IBM, and HP are run by donations, I guess. Any citations? http://www.techbirdy.com/2009/09/16/3-reasons-why-we-shouldnt-use-linux/	Sep 17 16:00
schestowitz	DaemonFC: they can reuse from Linux	Sep 17 16:00
fewa	and the BSDs	Sep 17 16:00
schestowitz	Companies they give GPLv2ed drivers can relicense	Sep 17 16:00
DaemonFC	sure, if they want to use GPL v 2	Sep 17 16:00
DaemonFC	:)	Sep 17 16:01
fewa	all the free operating systems share	Sep 17 16:01
schestowitz	Oracle might have opensolaris	Sep 17 16:01
fewa	ideas specification and code	Sep 17 16:01
fewa	schestowitz, http://www.techbirdy.com/ appears to be a Microsoft bandwagon ad-runner	Sep 17 16:03
schestowitz	Facts versus Hype: http://sinaisix.blogspot.com/2009/09/linux-you-cannot-just-wish-microsoft.html	Sep 17 16:04
schestowitz	The author has unfortunately fallen victim to Waggener Edstrom's hype, which Microsoft paid hundreds of millions of dollars for. Vista 7 has the same deficiencies and it's expected to be rejected, unless one listens to Microsoft placements (Microsoft admits 'planting' stories and it got caught bribing bloggers again, some it just abuses). Had anyone tried KDE 4.3.1? Now, that's the future which is reasonable.	Sep 17 16:05
schestowitz	The fact is that Microsoft's profit has fallen by _a third_ twice in a row. It's dumping against Linux in hopeless attempts to starve it. Microsoft raves about fake US-only figures to pretend that GNU/Linux is not expanding in use.	Sep 17 16:05
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fewa	http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/09/charlie-rose-nathan-myhrvold/ the video got set private	Sep 17 16:13
fewa	wtf	Sep 17 16:13
fewa	or does it work for u guys?	Sep 17 16:13
schestowitz	'Laugh-In' Actor Henry Gibson Dies http://www.backstage.com/bso/news-and-features-news/laugh-in-actor-henry-gibson-dies-1004013010.story	Sep 17 16:14
schestowitz	Dman	Sep 17 16:14
schestowitz	I knew I should have downloaded it	Sep 17 16:14
schestowitz	Can you find another mirror?	Sep 17 16:14
schestowitz	No reason to retract it	Sep 17 16:14
fewa	I want to try to install this: http://cachevideos.com/	Sep 17 16:14
schestowitz	maybe trollvold wanted the viz removed	Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz	No transcripts, either	Sep 17 16:17
fewa	try the Charlie Rose web page	Sep 17 16:18
fewa	I doubt it really has disappeared	Sep 17 16:18
fewa	Yahoo meme http://meme.yahoo.com/home/	Sep 17 16:26
schestowitz	Firefox Flash check working http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145462	Sep 17 16:26
fewa	"Yahoo! Southeast Asia Pte. Ltd"	Sep 17 16:27
schestowitz	fewa: yes, I was joking, semi..	Sep 17 16:27
schestowitz	But it would be valuable to crop out the section about Linux	Sep 17 16:27
schestowitz	I believe that TrollVold will come over one day, probably by passing patents to attackers on Linux	Sep 17 16:27
schestowitz	Being prepared with information would be invaluable. Wallclimber helps us a lot	Sep 17 16:28
fewa	America-sources internet culture is popular in the world	Sep 17 16:28
fewa	*sourced	Sep 17 16:28
fewa	makes me think of this http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html	Sep 17 16:29
fewa	why Yahoo refused to be bought by Microsoft	Sep 17 16:30
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533939/amd-cheap-quad-core-chiptessier: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/16/arm_chip_design/	Sep 17 16:30
fewa	Yahoo is internationalist, Microsoft is imperialistic	Sep 17 16:30
DaemonFC	Yahell	Sep 17 16:30
schestowitz	Cosmopolitan	Sep 17 16:31
fewa	"Yahoo had been warped from the start by their fear of Microsoft."	Sep 17 16:31
fewa	they were the first person to break out of the mold	Sep 17 16:31
schestowitz	China releases Iphone killer < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533911/china-releases-iphone-killer >	Sep 17 16:31
fewa	*first company	Sep 17 16:31
fewa	and after them Microsoft didn't matter	Sep 17 16:31
fewa	Google just did it	Sep 17 16:31
schestowitz	They distracted the Vole	Sep 17 16:32
schestowitz	It took Microsoft a year of a half of confusion to just rename their SE	Sep 17 16:32
schestowitz	And then to spend $100,000,000 marketing this new brand	Sep 17 16:32
schestowitz	For no gains, almost none worldwide	Sep 17 16:32
schestowitz	Operation Bong: Fail.	Sep 17 16:32
schestowitz	Just like Operation Live	Sep 17 16:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Give me your ideas on what to do next Thursday for the World Day Against Software Patents, my idea is to make a fire with some EPO patents		Sep 17 16:33
fewa	Yahoo will never accept to be adopted by its big brother	Sep 17 16:34
fewa	the one that is no longer so big	Sep 17 16:34
DaemonFC	how is swfdec these days?	Sep 17 16:35
fewa	I guess there is a important thing made by that young terk	Sep 17 16:39
fewa	but not really meant	Sep 17 16:39
fewa	its that capitilism doesn't really matter anymore	Sep 17 16:39
fewa	that is, as long and computing systems stay free	Sep 17 16:40
fewa	because free standards and software make the barriers of entry low enough that accumulation of capital ceases to matter	Sep 17 16:40
schestowitz	zoobab_: nice idea. Make a photocopy first	Sep 17 16:43
schestowitz	DaemonFC: I hear gnash works well with youtube now	Sep 17 16:44
fewa	she how engineer get excited about the usefullness of netcat?? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=825701	Sep 17 17:03
fewa	now if networking was done with the filesystem instead of a arcane Berkely Sockets this would all be self-evident	Sep 17 17:03
fewa	it would be obvious you could just copy a file to a socket	Sep 17 17:03
fewa	and then on the other computer accept it	Sep 17 17:04
fewa	my pulling it off the same socket	Sep 17 17:04
fewa	o wait	Sep 17 17:05
fewa	linux has that sweet	Sep 17 17:05
fewa	no wait only bash	Sep 17 17:05
fewa	which hacks it on	Sep 17 17:05
fewa	http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=826173	Sep 17 17:06
fewa	that looks cool and simple	Sep 17 17:07
fewa	/dev/tcp/192.1.2.3/123	Sep 17 17:07
fewa	sweet	Sep 17 17:07
MinceR	last time i checked that was patched out of debian though :/	Sep 17 17:10
MinceR	hm, the discussion mentions it too	Sep 17 17:10
trmanco	http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/09/17/office-viewer-for-maemo5-based-on-koffice	Sep 17 17:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Drawbacks of the #Mac Computers Compared to Desktop #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/3gY6N		Sep 17 17:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Story of Successful Migration to #GNU #Linux and Conclusions http://bit.ly/2kuYnZ		Sep 17 17:18
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DaemonFC	http://www.macosforge.org/	Sep 17 17:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxFormat #Tuxradar #Audiocast Released http://bit.ly/CVIdx		Sep 17 17:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Intel Chipsets to Boot #Linux http://bit.ly/u2c3w		Sep 17 17:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Version of #Shadowgrounds is Released http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14165		Sep 17 17:26
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Shilling for DRM pushers now?	Sep 17 17:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Powers Low-powered #Devices Like Photo Frames http://bit.ly/1jzP2		Sep 17 17:29
DaemonFC	Linux Game Publishing uses mandatory internet-based activation	Sep 17 17:30
DaemonFC	and the product phones home to reactivate every 2 weeks	Sep 17 17:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Scribus for GNU/Linux http://bit.ly/99oJi http://bit.ly/1Ac2ZL		Sep 17 17:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] December's #Kernel Space ( #Linux 2.6.32) Analysed http://bit.ly/Lgt55		Sep 17 17:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC XO Laptop Good for #Linux Gaming http://bit.ly/WqoWS		Sep 17 17:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Can Carry on Growing in #Mainframes , #VirtualMachines http://bit.ly/RXPoP		Sep 17 17:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New New #GNU #Linux Product is Based on #Ubuntu http://bit.ly/RArqw		Sep 17 17:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sabayon #Linux 5.0 Reaches Beta 2 http://wgo.wolf911.us/?p=226		Sep 17 17:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Salix OS is Born http://bit.ly/fVNzL #gnu #linux #salixos		Sep 17 17:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME and K Desktop Environment Management Compared http://bit.ly/3zevsq #kde		Sep 17 17:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Video #Demo of the New #Android -based #Archos 5 http://bit.ly/1i1Aev #linux		Sep 17 17:46
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Wins for #Linux #Phones Under the #Android Brand http://bit.ly/4e6yL		Sep 17 17:48
trmanco	http://searchengineland.com/report-ebay-drops-yahoo-search-ads-for-google-25994	Sep 17 17:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Edit Video Online with Adobe AIR-enabled #JayCut http://bit.ly/QPbie		Sep 17 17:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's #Collusions Partner #Intel Turns Against It http://bit.ly/15AkIK		Sep 17 17:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next #Ubuntu #Netbook Remix Looks Good http://bit.ly/5GsWM #gnu #linux		Sep 17 17:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Publish on demand public domain books http://bit.ly/9zCWf		Sep 17 17:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #TEENpup 2009 (#GNU/ #Linux) http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/teenpup.html		Sep 17 17:58
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DaemonFC	http://www.dailytech.com/Hacker+Apples+Snow+Leopard+Protections+Weaker+Than+Windows+7s/article16273.htm	Sep 17 18:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Thailand Grows Its #FreeSoftware Businesshttp://bit.ly/rZ3sp		Sep 17 18:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SoftwareFreedomDay Days Away http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27802/1162/		Sep 17 18:14
DaemonFC	"It's harder to write exploits for Windows than the Mac, but all you see are Windows exploits. That's because if [the hacker] can hit 90% of the machines out there, that's all he's gonna do. It's not worth him nearly doubling his work just to get that last 10%."	Sep 17 18:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Department of #Defence Goes with #FreeSoftware for Technical Reasons Alone http://bit.ly/Vq0xL		Sep 17 18:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Move to #FreeSoftware in the #UK Could Save £500m Per Year -- Claim http://www.sourcingfocus.com/index.php/site/newsitem/1780/		Sep 17 18:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Flourishes in #Armenia http://bit.ly/3RLAb4		Sep 17 18:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Licensing Scheme Inspired by #GPL ? http://bit.ly/a3mmE		Sep 17 18:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess #Publication Celebrates More Wins http://bit.ly/6KzmB http://bit.ly/1YlQ5Y http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8258501.stm		Sep 17 18:27
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trmanco	http://benfirshman.com/projects/jsnes/	Sep 17 18:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Phobia in #Government Targeted http://bit.ly/11vkrl http://bit.ly/15vGya http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20595		Sep 17 18:36
trmanco	need faster browser :\|	Sep 17 18:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Millions made redundant as Facebook automated http://notnews.today.com/?p=648		Sep 17 18:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BBC 's Tax/Web Abuse with #DRM Can Lock Out #FreeSoftware Users http://bit.ly/IWPwH http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ourwork/reports/dtt		Sep 17 18:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Privacy Abused by #RFID and Databases, #ASA Receives Complaint http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145464 http://bit.ly/kyQso		Sep 17 18:41
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: Newegg is now using people from Microsoft ads in theirs	Sep 17 18:44
DaemonFC	hehe	Sep 17 18:44
DaemonFC	schestowitz: http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Sep-0-2009/DIY17/ and http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/black_hotness2.jpg	Sep 17 18:47
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satipera	http://www.huliq.com/8199/86449/open-source-already-armenia	Sep 17 18:48
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amarsh04	trmanco, I use Midori if I have to use web forms extensively	Sep 17 18:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Teabaggers fail "taxes pay for services" thing, complain about public transport http://bit.ly/MQkCT		Sep 17 18:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Huffington Post on Killing #Patents for Ethical Gains http://bit.ly/12iflI		Sep 17 18:48
trmanco	it uses canvas	Sep 17 18:48
trmanco	and very heavy javascript	Sep 17 18:49
trmanco	it only runs great on chromium	Sep 17 18:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Gains More Control Over Information http://bit.ly/S7gEa		Sep 17 18:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Op-Ed: #Vista7 -- Like #Vista -- Requires a Whole New PC http://bit.ly/EOglU		Sep 17 18:52
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DaemonFC	now that's false	Sep 17 19:04
DaemonFC	I think schestowitz is overlooking what the article said	Sep 17 19:05
DaemonFC	it said that since over 73% of PC users have XP-era equipment, they may just want to throw the entire PC out	Sep 17 19:05
*amarsh04 is still running his 1998 era pc that came with W95OSR2		Sep 17 19:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @hanekomu: blogged "Text::Pipe trademark controversy" http://bit.ly/kXOVq - please forward		Sep 17 19:12
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tessier	schestowitz: Saw those AMD/ARM links yesterday and already sent them to a friend who works on marketing an ARM based netbook	Sep 17 19:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Do people with hair loss have "issues" in playing a game called Fallout?		Sep 17 19:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @bengoldacre please forward to help find the cyclists injured by James Martin and ensure a prosecution http://bit.ly/3h72s3		Sep 17 19:55
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fewa	-BNc/#boycottnovell- [schestowitz] Department of #Defence Goes with #FreeSoftware for Technical Reasons Alone http://bit.ly/Vq0xL	Sep 17 20:09
fewa	yes the same group that downgrades all their windows machines to vista and office 2007 on taxpayer money	Sep 17 20:10
fewa	although it does kinda proove that Linux is superior when they use it over Windows even though windows is essentially free to them	Sep 17 20:11
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cubezzz	microsoft is losing ground	Sep 17 20:16
fewa	yep, even in places where windows is free	Sep 17 20:16
fewa	---free as in price	Sep 17 20:17
schestowitz	Yes	Sep 17 20:17
schestowitz	Thar's the point	Sep 17 20:17
schestowitz	People forget to account for price	Sep 17 20:17
fewa	and free as in upfront price	Sep 17 20:17
fewa	not maintainence and upkeep	Sep 17 20:17
fewa	in TCO	Sep 17 20:17
schestowitz	The Eugenics of Microsoft want to prevent the 'alien' OS from gaining	Sep 17 20:17
schestowitz	So they throw dough at the problem	Sep 17 20:17
schestowitz	THe problem for them is facing a million programmers	Sep 17 20:17
fewa	well in the example of DOD its that price doesn't matter	Sep 17 20:17
fewa	its not their money	Sep 17 20:18
schestowitz	So now they try to 'hijack' them	Sep 17 20:18
fewa	the DOD has over $230 Billion a year they cant even account for	Sep 17 20:18
schestowitz	By devouring FOSS and confusing	Sep 17 20:18
cubezzz	it's not money most of the time though	Sep 17 20:18
schestowitz	Sicne about the decade ago they've planned it	Sep 17 20:18
cubezzz	it's the code they want	Sep 17 20:18
fewa	they cant even report to taxpayers what they did with $230 billion a year	Sep 17 20:18
fewa	its rediculous	Sep 17 20:18
cubezzz	fewa, probably a new fighter jet or something	Sep 17 20:18
fewa	so much accounting gimmicks and stealing	Sep 17 20:18
fewa	cubezzz, or some contras in nigeria	Sep 17 20:18
schestowitz	Atomic programmes too	Sep 17 20:19
fewa	a few coup de tes	Sep 17 20:19
schestowitz	And experiments with these	Sep 17 20:19
fewa	coups*	Sep 17 20:19
schestowitz	Well, that has ROI	Sep 17 20:19
schestowitz	For instance, overthrow Chavez, get his oil	Sep 17 20:19
cubezzz	people do want freedom as in Stallman type freedom, they're just slow to realize it	Sep 17 20:19
fewa	schestowitz, they have oil in Cuba?	Sep 17 20:19
fewa	or is this about gulf of mexico oil?	Sep 17 20:20
fewa	o wait Chavez	Sep 17 20:20
fewa	my bad	Sep 17 20:20
fewa	The business elite hate Chavez	Sep 17 20:20
fewa	he is their biggest enemy	Sep 17 20:20
schestowitz	They are trained to hate it	Sep 17 20:21
fewa	and they really really hate him	Sep 17 20:21
schestowitz	The goals are made different	Sep 17 20:21
fewa	they see Chavez in everyone they do not like	Sep 17 20:21
schestowitz	Oppression mostly, AFAICT	Sep 17 20:21
fewa	they try to Red bait	Sep 17 20:21
schestowitz	Disguised as "capitalism"	Sep 17 20:21
fewa	schestowitz, you see that Democracy now interview with the Honduras Coup supporter	Sep 17 20:21
schestowitz	Where maximisation of revenue is the only existing metric	Sep 17 20:21
fewa	*lobbiest	Sep 17 20:21
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schestowitz	Lobbyists don't belong in society	Sep 17 20:22
fewa	hired to get support for the coup government in Washington DC	Sep 17 20:22
schestowitz	They are guns for hire	Sep 17 20:22
schestowitz	Democracy needs to ban those	Sep 17 20:22
schestowitz	They are enemies of voters	Sep 17 20:22
schestowitz	They work around the system	Sep 17 20:22
fewa	schestowitz, they are the virtual senate	Sep 17 20:22
fewa	they vote will dollars	Sep 17 20:22
fewa	veto anything that is irrational, meaning it benifits people instead of corporations	Sep 17 20:22
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fewa	force politicians to have two constituencies	Sep 17 20:23
fewa	their people, and the corporations	Sep 17 20:23
fewa	which are usually at odds	Sep 17 20:23
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schestowitz	Sculpting Sound with Boodler 2.0 http://www.linux.com/news/software/multimedia/46409-sculpting-sound-with-boodler-20	Sep 17 20:26
schestowitz	fewa: yes, that's why they should be banned	Sep 17 20:27
schestowitz	Too many types of felons walk free as though it's to be taken for granted	Sep 17 20:27
fewa	its also the reason why you will face stiff resistance	Sep 17 20:27
schestowitz	Such as secret meetings that violate some law about foreign policy being set with secret agendas	Sep 17 20:28
schestowitz	I can't recall who the legislation was called after	Sep 17 20:28
schestowitz	But basically, a lot of politicians break this law and nobody cares	Sep 17 20:28
schestowitz	http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/242/enable-flash-support-for-chromium-in-ubuntu-linuxEnable Flash Support for Chromium in Ubuntu Linux	Sep 17 20:30
schestowitz	Does Chrome do Ogg?	Sep 17 20:30
schestowitz	Yet?	Sep 17 20:30
fewa	Chrome does OGG	Sep 17 20:31
fewa	it has for quite a while	Sep 17 20:31
fewa	Google is comitted to supporting both x.264/AC3 as wess os OGG/Theora/Vorbis	Sep 17 20:32
fewa	*well as	Sep 17 20:32
fewa	in chromium	Sep 17 20:32
fewa	at least in linux/mac it uses ffmpeg	Sep 17 20:33
schestowitz	Firefox is Zapping my Happy Linux Buzz http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/09/firefox-is-zapp.html	Sep 17 20:36
schestowitz	^Weird	Sep 17 20:36
schestowitz	I have no such issues with Firefox	Sep 17 20:36
cubezzz	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/17/1747259/Old-Operating-Systems-Never-Die	Sep 17 20:40
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_Hicham_	Hi All!	Sep 17 20:45
schestowitz	Hey, what's new?	Sep 17 20:50
schestowitz	YouTube will be redesigned	Sep 17 20:51
schestowitz	I hope it'll be better	Sep 17 20:51
_Hicham_	it should use HTML5	Sep 17 20:51
_Hicham_	like dailymotion	Sep 17 20:51
schestowitz	Yes	Sep 17 20:53
schestowitz	http://www.truste.com/about_TRUSTe/press-room/news_truste_2009_most_trusted_companies_for_privacy.html	Sep 17 20:54
schestowitz	ebay most trusted band , it says	Sep 17 20:54
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_goblin	hi all...	Sep 17 20:55
_Hicham_	no, I am the most trusted	Sep 17 20:55
_Hicham_	hi _goblin	Sep 17 20:55
schestowitz	http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHuC3.K7Dclo	Sep 17 20:55
_goblin	roy, what was that thing on your site about re: correction or something....	Sep 17 20:56
schestowitz	_goblin comes out of the woodwork	Sep 17 20:56
schestowitz	_goblin: ?	Sep 17 20:56
_goblin	I'll link....	Sep 17 20:56
schestowitz	WHat's that?	Sep 17 20:56
schestowitz	Maybe old something	Sep 17 20:56
_goblin	I was reading it on a PDA so I may have misread....	Sep 17 20:56
_goblin	ah....	Sep 17 20:57
_goblin	it was http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/17/gnewsense-throws-mono-out/	Sep 17 20:57
_goblin	but now I see it correctly	Sep 17 20:57
_goblin	I understand now...	Sep 17 20:57
schestowitz	Was it ambiguous?	Sep 17 20:57
_goblin	the MDA was displaying text wrongly...it made no sense....	Sep 17 20:58
_goblin	it does now Im at home.	Sep 17 20:58
schestowitz	Good post there from you	Sep 17 20:58
schestowitz	I made some progress on the Wiki	Sep 17 20:58
_goblin	Ive actually recieved a little hate because of my gnewsense article.	Sep 17 20:59
_goblin	it appears it has a loyal fan base which didnt take kindly to being called "old software"	Sep 17 20:59
_goblin	which is great, because I felt bad saying my opinions and at least my view can be balanced by users of it...	Sep 17 21:00
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cubezzz	which PDA?	Sep 17 21:02
schestowitz	It's not really old softare	Sep 17 21:03
schestowitz	Old is XP (2001)	Sep 17 21:03
schestowitz	Or OS X Panther	Sep 17 21:03
schestowitz	Sweepups: http://ostatic.com/blog/is-open-source-m-a-set-to-go-on-a-tear (Is Open Source M&A Set to Go On a Tear?	Sep 17 21:04
cubezzz	2.4.6 is pretty old, still works though	Sep 17 21:04
schestowitz	How does not drive progress?	Sep 17 21:04
schestowitz	cubezzz: Linux?	Sep 17 21:05
schestowitz	2001ish?	Sep 17 21:05
cubezzz	yes, zaurus sl-5500 around 2002 I think	Sep 17 21:05
schestowitz	Red Hat 2/3 is supported, so they must be patching it, still	Sep 17 21:05
schestowitz	A lot of Red Hat staff must be dedicated just to maintenance	Sep 17 21:05
cubezzz	in theory if you have the source you can support it	Sep 17 21:05
schestowitz	What happens when we reach 2.6.99?	Sep 17 21:06
cubezzz	is there a 2.7 and 2.8?	Sep 17 21:06
schestowitz	Don't know	Sep 17 21:06
schestowitz	They never seem to talk about it	Sep 17 21:06
schestowitz	They thought of changing to year #	Sep 17 21:06
schestowitz	Like 2009.9 for 2.6.1	Sep 17 21:06
schestowitz	*2.6.31	Sep 17 21:07
schestowitz	It never came through	Sep 17 21:07
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_Hicham_	there won't be 2.8	Sep 17 21:08
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cubezzz	I'm pretty sure there is a 2.7	Sep 17 21:08
_Hicham_	kernel 2.6 is near perfection	Sep 17 21:08
cubezzz	sorry, looks like I'm wrong	Sep 17 21:10
cubezzz	not sure what's going on actually	Sep 17 21:11
_goblin	cubezzz: sorry not PDA, MDA (Mail)	Sep 17 21:11
cubezzz	_goblin, ah ok	Sep 17 21:11
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_goblin	and roy: yes bad choice of words....not old software....	Sep 17 21:12
_goblin	sorry I am being bombarded at the moment by mail and all sorts!	Sep 17 21:12
schestowitz	EU should be forcing Oracle to give MySQL indpendence: http://ostatic.com/blog/another-day-another-reason-to-fret-over-mysqls-fate	Sep 17 21:13
cubezzz	mysql is under gpl yes?	Sep 17 21:13
schestowitz	_goblin: hate mail? :-p	Sep 17 21:13
schestowitz	I had some potential pretexter today trying to do a little job on me.	Sep 17 21:14
schestowitz	cubezzz: yes	Sep 17 21:14
schestowitz	Not the brand	Sep 17 21:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I suppose in that sense you could make that analogy, but then one could apply that to Team sports or similar...		Sep 17 21:14
_goblin	yep, theres a few who didnt like my review.	Sep 17 21:16
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schestowitz	I warned you about it......	Sep 17 21:17
fewa	youtube will use HTML5	Sep 17 21:18
fewa	but it will use x.264..... :(	Sep 17 21:18
fewa	under current plans	Sep 17 21:18
_goblin	no matter...my posting integrity is worth far more than popularity......I always stand by what I say.	Sep 17 21:18
schestowitz	"The Government could scrap a part of defamation law that makes newspapers liable many times for material in a single article. The Government may prevent people suing every time a web page 'publishes' an article." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/libel_law_review/	Sep 17 21:18
fewa	But hey, that format has alot of free software implamentations	Sep 17 21:18
schestowitz	fewa: maybe converters would be nice	Sep 17 21:19
cubezzz	http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/09/17/1651235/Student-Designs-Cardboard-Computer-Case	Sep 17 21:19
schestowitz	Services that filter the stream as Ogg and deliver it	Sep 17 21:19
schestowitz	Alll sorts of possibilities........	Sep 17 21:19
_goblin	Lol.....that article Roy is pointless....use "allegedly" and you are untouchable.....IMO	Sep 17 21:19
schestowitz	cubezzz: lots like this was done before	Sep 17 21:19
fewa	schestowitz, have you read the position of the ffmpeg site	Sep 17 21:20
fewa	http://ffmpeg.org/legal.html	Sep 17 21:20
schestowitz	I never read it	Sep 17 21:20
schestowitz	Businesses might care more	Sep 17 21:20
fewa	seems fairly straight forward	Sep 17 21:20
schestowitz	Not home users who just want their media in free formats	Sep 17 21:20
fewa	oh hmm it changed	Sep 17 21:21
schestowitz	Street View stalks Swiss data protection bureau < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/street_view_data_protection/ >	Sep 17 21:21
schestowitz	Watch photo	Sep 17 21:21
schestowitz	I guess openstreet map may never have this fine-level data :-)	Sep 17 21:21
fewa	it had more pizazz before	Sep 17 21:21
cubezzz	I think my zaurus might be non-plastic, it looks like it's aluminium	Sep 17 21:21
cubezzz	cardboard = recycleable, aluminium = recycleable, plastic = bzzzzz	Sep 17 21:22
fewa	said that if you can't be safe on anything if you are in a jurisdiction that observes software patents	Sep 17 21:22
schestowitz	News anchor tells weatherman to 'keep f**king that chicken' < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/keep_plucking_that_chicken/ >	Sep 17 21:23
schestowitz	FOX	Sep 17 21:23
schestowitz	fewa: Next I'll watch the Fox collection	Sep 17 21:23
schestowitz	THe films I've watched recently were too depressing, so seeing Fox owned will be funny	Sep 17 21:23
schestowitz	Twitter slaps itself with $1bn price tag < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/twitter_funding/ >	Sep 17 21:24
fewa	smart	Sep 17 21:25
schestowitz	There are so many me-too start-ups in social media	Sep 17 21:25
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sebsebseb	hi	Sep 17 21:25
schestowitz	None are trult unqique, vast majority fails at birth	Sep 17 21:26
schestowitz	Hi, sebsebseb	Sep 17 21:26
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Hi Roy	Sep 17 21:26
schestowitz	Vista in "less good product" shocker http://itsneak.v3.co.uk/2009/09/vista-in-less-g.html	Sep 17 21:27
fewa	you can only success if you are new	Sep 17 21:27
fewa	or if you have a massive email list of people to spam to get it started	Sep 17 21:27
fewa	the latter is how myspace was started	Sep 17 21:27
fewa	it shows that it was not designed by those with original ideas or extraordinary skills	Sep 17 21:28
schestowitz	Microsoft is now trying to dump Vista7 on academics here for 30 quid	Sep 17 21:28
schestowitz	Shades of those academic kickbacks and EDGI	Sep 17 21:29
schestowitz	They won't make much profit though	Sep 17 21:29
fewa	It would like them to have it for free	Sep 17 21:29
schestowitz	They changed how they report earnings	Sep 17 21:29
fewa	every bit that they use it helps them	Sep 17 21:29
schestowitz	So expect weird things in Oct.	Sep 17 21:29
fewa	as academia, esp tech is where they are losing massively	Sep 17 21:29
fewa	at least those who are actually productive and care about tech	Sep 17 21:29
schestowitz	It bother me that some Linux people get sucked into the hype without trying the thing	Sep 17 21:29
schestowitz	As if, "I heard people like it, what will we do?"	Sep 17 21:30
schestowitz	It was the same with Vista	Sep 17 21:30
fewa	ie this: http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html	Sep 17 21:30
schestowitz	Microsoft PR hype	Sep 17 21:30
_goblin	finally built an up to date Chromium....	Sep 17 21:30
schestowitz	fewa: in Russia for example.....	Sep 17 21:30
schestowitz	They give upgrade discounts	Sep 17 21:30
schestowitz	Not product	Sep 17 21:30
schestowitz	Just discount	Sep 17 21:30
schestowitz	Like giving someone a voucher deductable	Sep 17 21:31
_Hicham_	_goblin : how much time did it take ?	Sep 17 21:31
schestowitz	Which in turn only forces one to actually buy the product for coupon redemption	Sep 17 21:31
schestowitz	Dirty tricks	Sep 17 21:31
schestowitz	They tried it in Russian schools	Sep 17 21:31
schestowitz	Maybe in Kazakh govt now	Sep 17 21:31
schestowitz	At stake: ODF and FOSS in that nation	Sep 17 21:31
fewa	disgusting	Sep 17 21:31
schestowitz	They might try to 'quinn' those in change	Sep 17 21:31
fewa	the BillG foundation pushes MS in schools here	Sep 17 21:32
schestowitz	Ha	Sep 17 21:32
schestowitz	It pushes many thing	Sep 17 21:32
fewa	they practically own the schools as they provide so much of the money	Sep 17 21:32
schestowitz	Pusher Foundation	Sep 17 21:32
schestowitz	fewa: well, they make money from them, too	Sep 17 21:32
fewa	The Gates foundation can dictate how teaching is done	Sep 17 21:32
schestowitz	It's like me giving 'charity' for a client to come back	Sep 17 21:32
schestowitz	Cycle/transaction	Sep 17 21:33
fewa	As they hold the purse strings	Sep 17 21:33
fewa	these things I know as fact	Sep 17 21:33
fewa	and from people in the system	Sep 17 21:33
schestowitz	How the Microsoft Kickbacks Cycle Works http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/microsoft-kickbacks-cycle/	Sep 17 21:33
fewa	and they do dictate	Sep 17 21:33
schestowitz	it's the same in other levels	Sep 17 21:34
schestowitz	Like govt	Sep 17 21:34
schestowitz	They provide bribes and contributions	Sep 17 21:35
schestowitz	Armies, schools, even chrches.	Sep 17 21:35
fewa	Its not a charity if the money was made illegally	Sep 17 21:35
schestowitz	But it's the point.... the cycle carries on	Sep 17 21:35
schestowitz	Criminal makes money to use this money to keep 'clean'	Sep 17 21:36
trmanco	http://diveintopython3.org/	Sep 17 21:36
schestowitz	Others did it before Gates	Sep 17 21:36
schestowitz	The public is scammed cause of the media	Sep 17 21:36
schestowitz	They shower awards upon themselves	Sep 17 21:36
fewa	Manufacture of Consent	Sep 17 21:36
_Hicham_	schestowitz : do u do some python ?	Sep 17 21:36
fewa	such a perfect catch phrase	Sep 17 21:36
schestowitz	Comics - Learn how ZFS safeguards your data < http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2009/09/comics-learn-how-zfs-safeguards-your.html >	Sep 17 21:37
schestowitz	_Hicham_: no, I juse use it	Sep 17 21:37
schestowitz	*just	Sep 17 21:37
schestowitz	fewa: or "engineering'	Sep 17 21:37
schestowitz	The press is not independent	Sep 17 21:37
schestowitz	That which is will be described as bad or bitter	Sep 17 21:37
fewa	I like manufactured	Sep 17 21:37
schestowitz	The consesus defines accuracy	Sep 17 21:38
_goblin	poor monty..."Most reactions have been quite positive" (in respect of codeplex)	Sep 17 21:38
schestowitz	So that which deviated from trend-setting media will be called "nutter" or some such	Sep 17 21:38
_goblin	yet everyone whose posted on his blog has a problem with it....not one good comment.	Sep 17 21:38
schestowitz	That's the 'beauty' of the propaganda model :-)	Sep 17 21:38
fewa	shows the competitiipon	Sep 17 21:38
schestowitz	I bet you recognise the wording	Sep 17 21:38
fewa	those who govern best govern least	Sep 17 21:38
schestowitz	fewa: see the figure from the book	Sep 17 21:39
schestowitz	TRUTH -> machines -> RTUTH	Sep 17 21:39
fewa	the media that propagandizes most wins	Sep 17 21:39
_goblin	he's failed to post two of my responses....particularly the one that mentioned all the MS staff on the Codeplex board....	Sep 17 21:39
fewa	thats the capital market of influence	Sep 17 21:39
schestowitz	_goblin: well, he read it	Sep 17 21:39
schestowitz	He doesn't think it's good for him to show	Sep 17 21:39
schestowitz	Censor... shame on it	Sep 17 21:39
_goblin	yep.....	Sep 17 21:40
_goblin	its ok though...Ill simply respond to him on my blog and link to his article.....he can't censor that.	Sep 17 21:40
_goblin	It worked for Icaza....	Sep 17 21:40
wallclimber	goblin, where is your blog?	Sep 17 21:40
_goblin	www.openbytes.wordpress.com	Sep 17 21:41
fewa	the never ending war for the hearts and minds of men	Sep 17 21:41
wallclimber	:)	Sep 17 21:41
_goblin	oooh I must learn to promote better.	Sep 17 21:41
fewa	anyways gn	Sep 17 21:41
schestowitz	_goblin: here's a new one to review:	Sep 17 21:41
schestowitz	http://www.lightcubesolutions.com/blog/?p=78	Sep 17 21:41
schestowitz	Just released	Sep 17 21:41
schestowitz	Or announced at least	Sep 17 21:41
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schestowitz	_goblin: thanks for the links	Sep 17 21:41
schestowitz	The Broken Windows guy asked me to link, but Bn doesn't do blogrolls and stuff. Never did.	Sep 17 21:42
schestowitz	nn, fewa	Sep 17 21:42
schestowitz	Heh. "Official Partners: OpenBytes"	Sep 17 21:43
schestowitz	Ooh, NSFW. http://www.broken-windows.org/fandom.php	Sep 17 21:43
_goblin	links?	Sep 17 21:43
_goblin	you mean your logo on the OB site?	Sep 17 21:44
schestowitz	Yes.	Sep 17 21:44
_goblin	I am just getting my blog organised....however I may be removing broken windows.....	Sep 17 21:44
_goblin	it seems to have a overpowering support of MAC.......	Sep 17 21:45
_goblin	not as balanced as I would have liked.	Sep 17 21:45
trmanco	http://get.live.com/messenger/overview.	Sep 17 21:45
trmanco	see if you can enter	Sep 17 21:45
_goblin	I dont mind MAC champions as long as its on an equal footing to everything else....	Sep 17 21:46
MinceR	Message Authentication Code?	Sep 17 21:46
MinceR	Mandatory Access Control?	Sep 17 21:46
trmanco	http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9l5us/asking_rlinux_is_ms_blocking_linux_from_accessing/	Sep 17 21:46
MinceR	Media Access Control?	Sep 17 21:46
schestowitz	Antitrust Enforcement: Focus on Criminal Cartels < http://www.linexlegal.com/content.php?content_id=107948 >	Sep 17 21:46
schestowitz	They should start with Intel/Microsoft	Sep 17 21:46
schestowitz	Obvious proven collusion there	Sep 17 21:46
schestowitz	There are many more.	Sep 17 21:46
schestowitz	MinceR: MACaroni and CHEESE!	Sep 17 21:47
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_goblin	Microsoft and Copyright	Sep 17 21:52
_goblin	?	Sep 17 21:52
_goblin	can't think of any others...	Sep 17 21:52
_goblin	sorry, just finished work....used to typing names in capitals...	Sep 17 21:53
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_goblin	I'm surprised my ITV article only received one comment......for me that was great news and a big deal.	Sep 17 21:55
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schestowitz	Agh! I'm tired of the "US != World" misunderstanding.	Sep 17 22:02
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schestowitz	I am astounded to find that some people refuse to accept that outside the English-speaking press there are very different trends that are rarely measured. They make suppositions based on what marketing firms like Net Apps tell them.	Sep 17 22:02
schestowitz	_goblin: Register got most of the attention	Sep 17 22:02
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_goblin	great youtube link coming up.....a troll gets exposed on TV (from USENET)....its not a Microsoft shill but it gives you the idea of the mindset of people who troll....	Sep 17 22:08
_goblin	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7pU7Ki6cAI	Sep 17 22:08
_goblin	by the way its old....	Sep 17 22:08
schestowitz	BiasBC:	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	Some set-top boxes use open source operating systems such as Linux, and this has meant they can be offered much cheaper to consumers.	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	Open source software is generally free of charge and the underlying code can be modified by anyone without fear of trampling on intellectual property or copyright.	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	Critics of the BBC's request say that open source licenses are incompatible with the regulations because DRM locks down software so that it cannot be altered by the user.	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	As a result, it would be harder for manufacturers which use open source software to obtain the necessary permissions from the BBC, effectively pushing them out of the market.	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8259154.stm	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	BBC uses itself to defend iself. Appalling	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	And they use propaganda terms, e g :	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	"Mr Watson is also not convinced by the piracy argument."	Sep 17 22:09
schestowitz	Piracy?????//	Sep 17 22:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Linux Mint 7 “Gloria” XCFE CE Review http://tinyurl.com/nlrsdv		Sep 17 22:12
schestowitz	IGEL is till a little rotten. http://www.realwire.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=13618	Sep 17 22:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] How UK oil company Trafigura tried to cover up African pollution disaster \| World news \| The Guardian http://tinyurl.com/ldflre		Sep 17 22:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I'm back!		Sep 17 22:18
schestowitz	jono: happy birthday, brother	Sep 17 22:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb they might not care as long as 'they' get killed. Same with electronic garbage they dump in Africa ('export' as 'charity').		Sep 17 22:26
jono	schestowitz, cheers, buddy :)	Sep 17 22:26
schestowitz	Citrix has just joined LF. Very weird. Who's next? SCO?	Sep 17 22:28
MinceR	m$!	Sep 17 22:31
schestowitz	InfoWeek is paid by Microsoft to sneak in ads:	Sep 17 22:32
schestowitz	"Attend this Windows 7 virtual event to gain exclusive access to our one-stop information destination, packed with resources to guide you in your decision-making process. Sept. 30, 2009. Find out more and register. "	Sep 17 22:32
schestowitz	More hype, artifically created	Sep 17 22:32
schestowitz	MinceR: it's already got Novell in.	Sep 17 22:32
schestowitz	Novell puts hyper-v hooks in	Sep 17 22:32
MinceR	i know	Sep 17 22:32
schestowitz	Microsoft is a large company	Sep 17 22:32
schestowitz	It doesn't need THE WHOLE company to join	Sep 17 22:33
MinceR	well, it turned out the hyper-v hooks were good for getting patent licenses from m$ :>	Sep 17 22:33
schestowitz	Just the MonoX divisiom	Sep 17 22:33
MinceR	yet citrix has joined now	Sep 17 22:33
MinceR	it's only logical that $co and m$ will follow suit too :>	Sep 17 22:33
zlg	saw on the news the other day I think the US is allowing embedding of advertisements in shows and movies, (more). so expect to see lots of computer screens and MS logo's.	Sep 17 22:40
schestowitz	MinceR: Microsoft could because of that last patch thingie	Sep 17 22:41
schestowitz	Microsoft joining at some capacity would confuse the foundation	Sep 17 22:41
schestowitz	It would also help daemonise critics of Microsoft	Sep 17 22:42
schestowitz	Perfect situation for them	Sep 17 22:42
Diablo-D3	http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/TIlmaYw0RJg/mcdonalds-lamp-post-makes-me-doubt-my-mental-sanity-even-more	Sep 17 22:42
Diablo-D3	what	Sep 17 22:42
schestowitz	Pretending to be friends while attacking	Sep 17 22:42
schestowitz	SCO was a member of the Linux family when it attacked Linux	Sep 17 22:42
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: LOL	Sep 17 22:43
Diablo-D3	I'm pretty sure if I saw that on the street I'd run away screaming	Sep 17 22:44
schestowitz	They take over the culture.	Sep 17 22:45
schestowitz	It's a good think Pfizer doesn't do street decor	Sep 17 22:45
schestowitz	Heck. Taser!!	Sep 17 22:45
Diablo-D3	http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/microsoft-co-founder-paul-allen-sells-lte-spectrum-to-atandt-in-da/	Sep 17 22:45
Diablo-D3	what a dick	Sep 17 22:45
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: DUDE	Sep 17 22:46
Diablo-D3	I totally want a giant penis lamppost for viagra now	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	I dislike Allen	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	He does some bad things	Sep 17 22:46
Diablo-D3	that would make my day	Sep 17 22:46
amarsh04	Simon Callow made a few comments about the presence of golden arches in places better known for famous classical composers	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	Though his venture fell apart	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	$26bn in debt iirc	Sep 17 22:46
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: it pisses me off allen sold it to at&t	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	He also tried doing a sort of $2000 netbook	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	It got nowhere	Sep 17 22:46
Diablo-D3	I'd rather it be sold to google	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	Utter big fail	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	And the reviews were bad too	Sep 17 22:46
schestowitz	He's like Gates... lacking taste	Sep 17 22:47
schestowitz	But Gates is more criminal-minded, so he manages to force his robbush upon OEMs that give it to consumers	Sep 17 22:47
MinceR	$2000 is not a netbook, it's a subnotebook (older terminology) or an ultraportable (newer terminology) ;)	Sep 17 22:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] 16 non-free packages, 0.8% of 1943 installed packages. 7 contrib packages, 0.4% of 1943 installed packages.		Sep 17 22:49
schestowitz	MinceR: I was exaggerating	Sep 17 22:51
schestowitz	$2000 just sounds TOO funny	Sep 17 22:51
schestowitz	That was BEFORE they came	Sep 17 22:51
schestowitz	Like half a year beforehand	Sep 17 22:51
MinceR	well, a Lenovo X-series comes close :>	Sep 17 22:51
MinceR	s/vo/vo ThinkPad/	Sep 17 22:51
schestowitz	I can produce some links if you're interested	Sep 17 22:51
schestowitz	Hold on...	Sep 17 22:51
MinceR	bit too big for a netbook, though	Sep 17 22:51
MinceR	(12" as opposed to up to 10" or 11")	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	Linux and FlipStart	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	,----[ Quote ]	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| On the subject of Linux, one reader recently asked whether Paul Allen's new	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| FlipStart miniature computer had been tested for use with the open-source	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| operating system...	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\|	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| "We have tested various flavors of Linux on FlipStart and it will	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| run just fine..."	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	`----	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/113347.asp	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	Review: the Little Laptop That Can't	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	,----[ Quote ]	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| I wanted to write this review on the FlipStart -- I really did. But	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| after a few sentences, my wrists hurt, my thumbs felt clumsier	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| than ever, my eyes were scrunched and my shoulders were hunched.	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| When the pricey FlipStart hits the market the last week of March,	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	\| I bet I won't be the only average consumer who takes a pass.	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	`----	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070322/tech_test_flipstart.html?.v=1	Sep 17 22:52
schestowitz	It figures.	Sep 17 22:52
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Diablo-D3	http://www.cinematical.com/2009/09/17/henry-gibson-1935-2009/	Sep 17 22:53
MinceR	it's not like it could be expected from allen to make a product that doesn't suck	Sep 17 22:53
MinceR	hm, looks like a really bad Sharp (what-is-it-called) knockoff	Sep 17 22:54
schestowitz	Very strong day for Linux today	Sep 17 22:54
MinceR	even the pointing device is in the same place	Sep 17 22:54
schestowitz	Let me Twit some more, back in irc in an hour	Sep 17 22:54
amarsh04	hmm... I'm on about 27 non-free packages (many of them documentation or fonts) with 2604 packages installed	Sep 17 22:55
MinceR	Sharp PC-Z1	Sep 17 22:56
MinceR	Yahoo - Document Has Expired	Sep 17 22:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Learn GNU/Linux and Make a Living http://bit.ly/vHeRT		Sep 17 23:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New Movements of #HewlettPackard to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/hm51b		Sep 17 23:04
Diablo-D3	http://www.tuaw.com/2009/09/17/heres-your-chance-to-own-the-first-mac-plus-off-the-production/	Sep 17 23:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 'Donations' a Case of #AbuseofPower Disguised as Goodwill http://bit.ly/ao6dx		Sep 17 23:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Build an Uberworkstation with #GNU Linux http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6846/1/		Sep 17 23:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Build an Uberworkstation with #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6846/1/		Sep 17 23:08
MinceR	Diablo-D3: http://aidenvdh.rootnode.net/fun_gallery/imgs/all_the_ppl_that_care.jpg	Sep 17 23:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Wannabe #Citrix Joins the #Linux Family http://bit.ly/BwEVu Motives? Just Xen?		Sep 17 23:10
Diablo-D3	MinceR: hah	Sep 17 23:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Gets Previously-Windows-Only Applications: #Chrome , #Nero 4 http://bit.ly/mCoXJ http://bit.ly/tBFDF		Sep 17 23:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LightCube OS ( #GNU #Linux #Distribution ) is Conceived http://bit.ly/pMzMX		Sep 17 23:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WashintonPost Covers #Clonezilla ( #Linux ) http://bit.ly/B93KU		Sep 17 23:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Naffis Targets #RedHat Servers for Proprietary (Micro)Blogging http://bit.ly/14YfNE		Sep 17 23:23
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wallclimber	This article states that: "The vast majority of security holes in Microsoft's operating systems are fixed within days of their discovery." - (I lol'd)	Sep 17 23:24
wallclimber	http://www.switched.com/2009/09/16/study-shows-apps-more-threatened-than-operating-systems/	Sep 17 23:24
cubezzz	flipbook or something I think it was called	Sep 17 23:25
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You're not doing it right [pic] http://ff.im/8imj1		Sep 17 23:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Mint 7 “Gloria” #XCFE is Loved, Works Splendidly http://bit.ly/17fuKn		Sep 17 23:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] " #Linux Lies at the Heart of [Cisco's] Strategy" http://bit.ly/dxehd		Sep 17 23:32
cubezzz	flipstart	Sep 17 23:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World's First-High Resolution #DAB Radio Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/EwES1		Sep 17 23:34
cubezzz	too expensive I guess	Sep 17 23:35
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Sets a Battle to Advance #Linux on Mobiles http://bit.ly/gaSZY http://bit.ly/144oUS http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUST ...		Sep 17 23:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Archos to Enter the #Phones Market with #Linux http://bit.ly/dk7es		Sep 17 23:41
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_goblin	sorry roy, whats the significance of Lightcube? have I missed something or is it simply another distro? - I'll admit I havent had time to read the site properly...	Sep 17 23:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Admits #Vista Sucks, Vista 7 Might be Same http://bit.ly/4hvRIe http://bit.ly/1R0xX		Sep 17 23:55
schestowitz	It's branfd new, _goblin	Sep 17 23:57
_goblin	ah....	Sep 17 23:57
_goblin	I wasn't sure if there was something else I was missing....	Sep 17 23:57
schestowitz	trmanco: he does it right	Sep 17 23:57
schestowitz	Just not doing WITH the right species	Sep 17 23:58
trmanco	what?	Sep 17 23:58
_goblin	lol	Sep 17 23:58
_goblin	the picture i presume	Sep 17 23:58
trmanco	ah	Sep 17 23:58
schestowitz	[23:28] [Notice] -BNc to #boycottnovell- [trmanco] You're not doing it right [pic] http://ff.im/8imj1	Sep 17 23:58
trmanco	yeah	Sep 17 23:58
_goblin	looks like it could be rather painful....	Sep 17 23:58
trmanco	I kinda forgot about that	Sep 17 23:58
_goblin	good pic!	Sep 17 23:58
trmanco	:)	Sep 17 23:59

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