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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #European Paper on #FreeSoftware Poisoned by MS #Lobbyists, #SAP and Others http://bit.ly/17znl0 | Sep 19 00:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Abuses and Deception with #Novell - Analysis http://bit.ly/n2Xtc | Sep 19 00:05 | |
| _Hicham_ | firefox have been ported to Qt | Sep 19 00:06 |
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| _Hicham_ | i didn't know that | Sep 19 00:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualTyranny Face Opposition from #OpenRightsGroup http://bit.ly/Pgfon #madelsonisapuppet | Sep 19 00:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent #Propaganda Refuted and Experts Preach Against Patents http://bit.ly/15sdDV http://timothyblee.com/?p=918 #uspto #deception | Sep 19 00:11 | |
| trmanco | _Hicham_: it's dead | Sep 19 00:12 |
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| _Hicham_ | trmanco : why ? | Sep 19 00:12 |
| trmanco | I dunno | Sep 19 00:13 |
| _Hicham_ | Not much Interest since KDE has konqueror ? | Sep 19 00:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I knew peeps were porting firefox to qt, or making it feel native to qt at least | Sep 19 00:13 |
| ThistleWeb | the one I'm much more interested in is Firefox with WebKit instead of Gecko | Sep 19 00:13 |
| trmanco | they were, but it's dead now | Sep 19 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox with Webkit? | Sep 19 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahahahahaha | Sep 19 00:14 |
| trmanco | Gecko won't die | Sep 19 00:14 |
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| _Hicham_ | ThistleWeb : are u insane ? | Sep 19 00:14 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, I think it's a fringe thing | Sep 19 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahahahahaha | Sep 19 00:14 |
| Xarver | Could you guys vote for me? :D http://forum.top-site-list.com/vote1395.html | Sep 19 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | this is the best one ThistleWeb | Sep 19 00:14 |
| ThistleWeb | don't think it's gotten much traction yet though | Sep 19 00:14 |
| Xarver | Just click the vote button, I'd appreciate it. | Sep 19 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | ThistleWeb : it is just insane | Sep 19 00:15 |
| trmanco | Gecko powers a lot of things | Sep 19 00:15 |
| _Hicham_ | u really made me laugh | Sep 19 00:15 |
| ThistleWeb | so I'm guessing you wont be installing it then | Sep 19 00:15 |
| trmanco | not just Mozilla apps | Sep 19 00:15 |
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| _Hicham_ | hahahahaha | Sep 19 00:15 |
| trmanco | komodo for example uses gecko | Sep 19 00:15 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox=Gecko | Sep 19 00:15 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe it was just an idea I saw being floated around a while back that came to nothing | Sep 19 00:16 |
| ThistleWeb | or a project that someone started and it never took off | Sep 19 00:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Reasons for Hospitals to Abandon #Windows http://bit.ly/fMKrP | Sep 19 00:18 | |
| trmanco | chromium should have been built in QT | Sep 19 00:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Gates' #PyramidScheme and #Monocoluture Harm #Medical #Research http://keionline.org/r2d-tdr-tgf | Sep 19 00:20 | |
| Xarver | So no votes? :( | Sep 19 00:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Linux" a Forbidden Word After Microsoft's "Jihad" Against It (Bill Gates' Words) http://bit.ly/rlfTI | Sep 19 00:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Microsoft and Gates Use the 'Press' to Slam Their Competition http://bit.ly/UusAU | Sep 19 00:23 | |
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| schestowitz | Xarver: can't find where to vote | Sep 19 00:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Women unable to keep a secret, particularly when pissed http://notnews.today.com/?p=651 | Sep 19 00:33 | |
| Xarver | schestowitz http://is.gd/3qENV | Sep 19 00:36 |
| Xarver | click the vote for codegreen | Sep 19 00:36 |
| schestowitz | fewa: any films you can recommend? | Sep 19 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I've exhausted my watchlist | Sep 19 00:36 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnLWSC5p1XE#t=27m38s | Sep 19 00:36 |
| fewa | the nader documentary | Sep 19 00:37 |
| fewa | An Unreasonable Man | Sep 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Xarver: I think I need to join | Sep 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, sounds good | Sep 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | fewa: that's Chomsky | Sep 19 00:38 |
| fewa | For the Love of Water | Sep 19 00:38 |
| fewa | FLOW | Sep 19 00:38 |
| fewa | yeah, answers on the effect of the inter | Sep 19 00:38 |
| fewa | *internet | Sep 19 00:38 |
| fewa | on his propaganda model | Sep 19 00:39 |
| fewa | /s/his/the/ | Sep 19 00:39 |
| fewa | one I have not seen is the documentary on the Pegaton Papers leak | Sep 19 00:40 |
| Xarver | schestowitz: O.o | Sep 19 00:40 |
| fewa | (massive internal document on Vietnam war papers) | Sep 19 00:40 |
| Xarver | No you don't it should be there | Sep 19 00:40 |
| Xarver | ok need to go bye | Sep 19 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | Meet Ralph Nader! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_qPGTa7xoo | Sep 19 00:41 |
| fewa | stated the contradiction with politician promises, that the US was planed to stay there indefinetely | Sep 19 00:41 |
| fewa | anyways you can find that out--before my time | Sep 19 00:42 |
| fewa | but the 60s are a highly influencial time for civilizing society | Sep 19 00:42 |
| fewa | *were | Sep 19 00:42 |
| _goblin | hi all | Sep 19 00:44 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, the 60's were a turning point where the people en masse started to refuse the official govt line on a lot of issues | Sep 19 00:44 |
| _goblin | anyone doing anything exciting for software freedom day on sat? | Sep 19 00:44 |
| ThistleWeb | the start of the decade it was still the norm to be obedient and trusting, by the end of the decade it'd mostly flipped around and a lot of social traditions were questioned | Sep 19 00:45 |
| ThistleWeb | a lot of what he have now, good and bad started then | Sep 19 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Is it still true that Presidential "debates" only includes the two puppets? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC9Hal0gycg&NR=1 | Sep 19 00:48 |
| ThistleWeb | in a 2 party state what would you expect? | Sep 19 00:49 |
| schestowitz | A third one :-) | Sep 19 00:49 |
| ThistleWeb | hey _goblin | Sep 19 00:49 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, a third leg, the hardon of the family | Sep 19 00:49 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's a single-party nation | Sep 19 00:49 |
| fewa | and it lasted all through the 70s | Sep 19 00:49 |
| schestowitz | It has two "factions" | Sep 19 00:49 |
| ThistleWeb | winners and losers | Sep 19 00:49 |
| schestowitz | It's like flavours | Sep 19 00:50 |
| fewa | it was the corporate decade of the 1980 in which it died | Sep 19 00:50 |
| _Hicham_ | ThistleWeb is powered by WebKit | Sep 19 00:50 |
| schestowitz | You have "vanilla" and "cream" | Sep 19 00:50 |
| ThistleWeb | lol _Hicham_ | Sep 19 00:50 |
| fewa | in politics the agressive divide and conquor of the new deal mandate | Sep 19 00:50 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: he renders fast | Sep 19 00:50 |
| schestowitz | The ladies are impressed | Sep 19 00:50 |
| fewa | in economics the rise of fake "free trade" and corporate imperialism | Sep 19 00:51 |
| ThistleWeb | any far right or far left solution wont work | Sep 19 00:51 |
| ThistleWeb | in many cases both right and left both want to do what they can, but have different ways about how it should be done | Sep 19 00:51 |
| fewa | in law the rise of monetary justication and a forgetting of morals and collective action problems-- rise of patent law out of its nadir of the 60s | Sep 19 00:51 |
| _goblin | Hi Roy! | Sep 19 00:51 |
| ThistleWeb | many are more central on some issues | Sep 19 00:51 |
| fewa | and in basic sociology--the aging of the civic generation of those who grew up in great depression | Sep 19 00:52 |
| fewa | and the growing up of the radicalist reactionaries of generation Y | Sep 19 00:52 |
| fewa | But alot wasdone | Sep 19 00:53 |
| ThistleWeb | the status quo was that you followed in your parents footsteps, and their opinions were absolute truth | Sep 19 00:53 |
| ThistleWeb | the 60's changed all that | Sep 19 00:53 |
| fewa | --however weapons now are many orders of magnitude more powerful | Sep 19 00:53 |
| fewa | --our effects on global environment, and our climate stronger and more pertinent | Sep 19 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukg4sgF2BH4&feature=fvw Freudian slip: sub-crime mortgages | Sep 19 00:54 |
| fewa | and vast swaths of the world lack the essential civil liberties that exist in places like the United States | Sep 19 00:55 |
| fewa | In maybe 30 years there will be great civil rights movements in the 3rd world | Sep 19 00:55 |
| fewa | what will be their fate? will they have more perfectly manufactured the elite model to prevent the rise of challengers? | Sep 19 00:56 |
| fewa | is the culture heritage of european colonies--that of direct democracies and puritanism, something that is lacking in the poorer countries? and is this important and will effect their movements? | Sep 19 00:57 |
| fewa | schestowitz, "Only On The Web": | Sep 19 00:58 |
| fewa | i.e. only to those that would know better | Sep 19 00:58 |
| fewa | its like that Microsoft article from Seattle paper | Sep 19 00:58 |
| fewa | they only give the straight story to those that would know better | Sep 19 00:58 |
| fewa | as a means of developing a brand | Sep 19 00:59 |
| fewa | based not on disseminating the news, but upon basing "news" upon public opinion | Sep 19 00:59 |
| fewa | reporting with an eye of insighting as little | Sep 19 01:00 |
| fewa | and deceiving as much | Sep 19 01:00 |
| fewa | "3rd party candidate" | Sep 19 01:01 |
| fewa | they can pretend they gave him airtime | Sep 19 01:01 |
| fewa | but only to the internet, where he already has a voice.... | Sep 19 01:01 |
| fewa | news is focused on taking credit for the civil acts of others | Sep 19 01:02 |
| fewa | "news" | Sep 19 01:02 |
| fewa | and then using that cred to deceive on other issues | Sep 19 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blUTIUxh-Mk&NR=1 | Sep 19 01:13 |
| fewa | LOLOL | Sep 19 01:15 |
| fewa | isn't that great | Sep 19 01:15 |
| fewa | great satire | Sep 19 01:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.freeweb.hu/playmate/main.html | Sep 19 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | nsfw | Sep 19 01:23 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : are u horny or what ? | Sep 19 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, but when that happens, this url shall come in handy | Sep 19 01:25 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Sep 19 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: I have a good girlfriend. | Sep 19 01:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptsbCwcbrfc | Sep 19 01:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm bored.. any suggestions of things to watch? | Sep 19 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | its funny, though, the classics are amazing | Sep 19 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the new ones suck | Sep 19 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : watch me | Sep 19 01:30 |
| fewa | John Stewart had another inverview with Bill Clinton | Sep 19 01:37 |
| fewa | yesterday | Sep 19 01:37 |
| fewa | havnt watched it | Sep 19 01:37 |
| fewa | myself | Sep 19 01:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: OFF TO HULU I GOOOOO~ | Sep 19 01:38 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : let's do some pushup | Sep 19 01:42 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, the sweat multi-colored frozen treat versions? | Sep 19 01:43 |
| fewa | ...or perhaps that an American phenomenon | Sep 19 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : what do u mean ? | Sep 19 01:44 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: heh. | Sep 19 01:45 |
| schestowitz | gn | Sep 19 01:45 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : gn | Sep 19 01:45 |
| _Hicham_ | and have good dreams | Sep 19 01:45 |
| _Hicham_ | monoless dreams | Sep 19 01:46 |
| fewa | there is a frozen kid-marketed tooth-driller in the US called "push-ups" | Sep 19 01:46 |
| fewa | anyways... | Sep 19 01:46 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : I am not in the US | Sep 19 01:46 |
| fewa | yeah exactly | Sep 19 01:47 |
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| fewa | Change-congress releases another campaign video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kr_vsQQe08 | Sep 19 02:13 |
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| tessier | push-ups are yummy | Sep 19 02:33 |
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| Ima let you finish. http://imaletyoufinish.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/illegaloperation.jpg | Sep 19 02:57 | |
| What's this, "Can LAMP deliver?" nonsense? LAMP has been proven for a decade, hasn't it? | Sep 19 03:05 | |
| LOL, from $50 per $1000 computer to 5% of each $100 laptop. Me thinks someone needs a math refresher course. | Sep 19 03:07 | |
| I hate it when people put their summary at the end of a chapter. It's like reading a murder mystery. | Sep 19 03:18 | |
| Tell me what you think, then explain things. Please. | Sep 19 03:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | LAMP can't deliver, btw | Sep 19 03:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | just for the record | Sep 19 03:18 |
| Diablo record. | Sep 19 03:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | assuming we mean linux, apache, mysql, and perl | Sep 19 03:18 |
| it's burning in hell | Sep 19 03:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | a LAMP-like stack _can_ deliver | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | but not literally that lamp | Sep 19 03:19 |
| I thought the trolls were on vacation. | Sep 19 03:19 | |
| Diablo-D3 | linux + cherokee + postgresql + javaee can deliver. | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: Im not trolling | Sep 19 03:19 |
| it took you a good 15 minutes to respond, Diablo-D3. | Sep 19 03:19 | |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh, I was watching TV | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | sorry about the lag | Sep 19 03:19 |
| no problem | Sep 19 03:20 | |
| *twitter ignores troll Diabl0-d3 | Sep 19 03:20 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: so what, I like java, and Im automatically a troll? | Sep 19 03:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck you dude | Sep 19 03:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | I used perl for almost 10 years, I have a right to like java over perl. | Sep 19 03:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | maybe when you get as much experience doing shit as I do people will actually give a fuck what you say | Sep 19 03:21 |
| cubezzz | Perl/PHP/Python not just Perl | Sep 19 03:24 |
| cubezzz | but I know you don't like mysql :) | Sep 19 03:24 |
| He might hate Slashdot too. All of the people who troll twitter hate everything to do with Slashdot, starting with LAMP. | Sep 19 03:25 | |
| cubezzz | this ol' zaurus linux doesn't even have diffutils | Sep 19 03:31 |
| cubezzz | looks like diffutils hasn't changed since 2002 | Sep 19 03:33 |
| cubezzz | java's been around a while, at least as far back as 1996 | Sep 19 03:37 |
| cubezzz | thank you http://rose.public.iastate.edu | Sep 19 03:40 |
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| DaemonFC | I've been playing around with the Nullsoft Vorbis Encoder | Sep 19 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | ir's pretty good | Sep 19 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | *it's | Sep 19 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Vorbis encoder in Ubuntu is still Xiph.org's encoder 1.2.0 from 2007 | Sep 19 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | AoTuv puts that to shame | Sep 19 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | wish I could lean on someone to gt it in Ubuntu | Sep 19 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | Nullsoft's is based on AoTuv | Sep 19 04:15 |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC the crazy person | Sep 19 05:35 |
| _Hicham_ | keeps going in and out | Sep 19 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | uh huh..... | Sep 19 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, SUATI | Sep 19 05:36 |
| _Hicham_ | what is that ? | Sep 19 05:37 |
| _Hicham_ | u completely lost ur words? | Sep 19 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | shut up and take it | Sep 19 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 19 05:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Special assemblies in schools across Kerala on Sept 24 to celebrate #SFD http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/18/stories/2009091850090200.htm | Sep 19 05:38 | |
| _Hicham_ | u r the one who is taking it | Sep 19 05:39 |
| _Hicham_ | not me | Sep 19 05:39 |
| _Hicham_ | whois anivar | Sep 19 05:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Starting to BMSCE for #SFD Celebrations http://bit.ly/My5m | Sep 19 05:42 | |
| twitter1 | Rock on Anivar! | Sep 19 06:04 |
| _Hicham_ | hi twitter1 my friend | Sep 19 06:05 |
| twitter1 | fun with twitter http://bayimg.com/cADNAAacp | Sep 19 06:21 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter1 is promoting twitter | Sep 19 06:23 |
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| twitter1 | Here's one for DaemonFC http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=in_walmarts_image | Sep 19 07:01 |
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| twitter1 | techcruch digs up FCC papers about iPhone and Google voice -> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/18/AR2009091803652.html | Sep 19 07:34 |
| twitter1 | it's like OJ all over again. | Sep 19 07:39 |
| twitter1 | M$ looks for the real criminals http://www.pcworld.com/article/172259/microsofts_malvertising_battle_a_tough_fight_to_win.html | Sep 19 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Just a publicity stunt for Microsoft | Sep 19 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Same with Conficket bounty -- blame passing | Sep 19 07:54 |
| twitter1 | Windows is the Malware they seek | Sep 19 07:56 |
| twitter1 | it is advertised as an operating system | Sep 19 07:56 |
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| _goblin | morning all... | Sep 19 08:28 |
| _goblin | am I the early bird here today...? | Sep 19 08:28 |
| _goblin | yep...it appears so... | Sep 19 08:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Software freedom day today.....Going to be paying a visit to a local event. | Sep 19 08:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Maemo to Use #ODF , #Kazakhstan May be Moving to ODF — Source http://bit.ly/3nRqY | Sep 19 08:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Today is Software Freedom Day AND Talk Like a Pirate Day! Arrr matey, I be wantin me GNU/booty! | Sep 19 09:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF: #Microsoft Gets Its Way in Seattle, Washington http://bit.ly/12xSkn | Sep 19 09:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just misheard Sophie (6) say 'Can we watch Sticky Come Dancing'.. that would be quite a different show.. | Sep 19 09:48 | |
| schestowitz | Hi, _goblin | Sep 19 10:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Large-scale #Microsoft and #Apple Failures http://bit.ly/KhyZu | Sep 19 10:11 | |
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| fewa | LOL daily show mockery of afghanistan occupation | Sep 19 10:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Change-congress.org holds Mike Ross accountable, $921,000 in special interest contributions http://ur1.ca/byqf | Sep 19 10:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gates Foundation Monoculture Accused of Harming World Health Organization (WHO) http://bit.ly/crUZn | Sep 19 10:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @schestowitz good article in current issue of The Nation on Gates Foundation programs meant to stave hunger in Africa http://ur1.ca/byrd | Sep 19 11:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @schestowitz good article in current issue of The Nation critiquing Gates Foundation programs on hunger in Africa http://ur1.ca/byrd | Sep 19 11:08 | |
| _goblin | right, back... | Sep 19 11:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Bill Clinton clearly addresses important issues of #healthcare debate on Daily Show http://ur1.ca/bysh #hc #singlepayer #publicoption | Sep 19 11:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Weiner Challenges CNBC to Read the Health Bill http://ur1.ca/bysr #hc #publicoption @readthebill | Sep 19 11:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Examples of the Press Attacking Free Software and GNU/Linux, Promoting Windows Discounts http://bit.ly/7UxBJ | Sep 19 12:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @scientes good one, ta. | Sep 19 12:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] .:|*|Music of the day|*|:. LEAVE THE WORLD BEHIND: http://is.gd/3rTul | Sep 19 12:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @schestowitz "In a # of grants [from the Gates Foundation] one corporation appears repeatedly—Monsanto…both are corporate titans that ha ... | Sep 19 13:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @schestowitz "In a number of grants [from Gates] one corporation appears repeatedly—Monsanto…both…corporate titans that have made millio ... | Sep 19 13:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Uses Inside Influence to Grab Control, Redefine “Open Source” http://bit.ly/3RHWzA | Sep 19 13:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear @Intel, fix your website. Getting redirect loops when trying to download ClassmatePC_ENG.avi http://bit.ly/wbOKY | Sep 19 13:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm looking forward to the big operating system release in October ( #Ubuntu 9.10 of course). I still test it on my main box. | Sep 19 14:06 | |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: The release after 9.10 is going to be interesting. | Sep 19 14:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @popey Classmate PC seems to have phone-home TPM/Treacherous Computing, but Intel seems to not provide any real information available on it | Sep 19 14:11 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: indeed | Sep 19 14:16 |
| schestowitz | BTW, how do I obtain the list of packages installed _after_ de fault install? | Sep 19 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I want them as string of packages | Sep 19 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | Such that I can toss it into sudo apt-get install if I choose to install it in other distro | Sep 19 14:17 |
| fewa | yeah i know | Sep 19 14:17 |
| fewa | 1 sec | Sep 19 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I remember an old method for getting this done some years ago | Sep 19 14:17 |
| schestowitz | fewa: ta | Sep 19 14:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] @scientes Not sure why you're telling me this. | Sep 19 14:18 | |
| fewa | schestowitz, dpkg -l | Sep 19 14:21 |
| fewa | emperical is /var/lib/dpkg/status | Sep 19 14:22 |
| fewa | Package: * | Sep 19 14:22 |
| schestowitz | less /var/lib/dpkg/status | Sep 19 14:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM Abuse Carries On, Patent Troll Tracker on Trial, Paltalk Bites Again, and Patent Law Challenged http://bit.ly/158iCD | Sep 19 14:22 | |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Sep 19 14:22 |
| fewa | just don't edit it | Sep 19 14:23 |
| fewa | cause that could f up dpkg | Sep 19 14:23 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ man dpkg | Sep 19 14:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to find how to separate post-install from the rest | Sep 19 14:24 |
| fewa | yeah there are tricks | Sep 19 14:24 |
| fewa | exactly | Sep 19 14:24 |
| fewa | I have that written down somewhere | Sep 19 14:24 |
| schestowitz | I have Marble and Stallarium, which I like | Sep 19 14:25 |
| schestowitz | But there's no way I can remember what to install without feeling lack and then running off to install it | Sep 19 14:25 |
| schestowitz | If I can get a list of strings, then I can just let apt get all the packages while I make some tea | Sep 19 14:26 |
| fewa | yeah i had a way of dumping list of non-default packages | Sep 19 14:26 |
| fewa | it was really useful | Sep 19 14:26 |
| schestowitz | "Generally, anyone who recognizes the pernicious nature of Microsoft's corporate behavior is dismissed as a "Microsoft hater". Of course, too few realize that discrediting by name-calling is the technique of those bankrupt of rational arguments. As a deplorable result, it is lingua franca of modern political discourse, ala Fox News." | Sep 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=15328#p54043 | Sep 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | So true, I wrote about it before | Sep 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft hater" | Sep 19 14:28 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me of "anti-Norwegian" | Sep 19 14:28 |
| schestowitz | As opposed to "anti-American" or "anti-Soviet" | Sep 19 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Those labels -- you know who brings them up? | Sep 19 14:28 |
| fewa | schestowitz, who? | Sep 19 14:35 |
| fewa | Canadian politicians always talk about "Made in Canada" | Sep 19 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Lumber? | Sep 19 14:43 |
| fewa | in term of legislation particularly | Sep 19 14:44 |
| fewa | the softwood lumber issue is of US tariffs | Sep 19 14:44 |
| fewa | which are a vagrent violation of free trade and the WTO rules the united states forces down the throats of other countries | Sep 19 14:45 |
| fewa | even in cases of dumping, monies raised by tariffs should go back to the country that is being imported from | Sep 19 14:45 |
| fewa | perhaps, im not an economist | Sep 19 14:46 |
| fewa | but anyways | Sep 19 14:46 |
| fewa | its a large tariff against canadian lumber being imported into the US | Sep 19 14:46 |
| fewa | has a very real effect on the cost of construction | Sep 19 14:47 |
| fewa | How does Europe do on lumber, you don't nearly the amount that US and Canada has | Sep 19 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Nicholas Kolakowski from MS-Watch is till using eWEEK to advertise Microsoft: | Sep 19 14:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Windows-7-RampUp-Continues-Despite-Legal-Battles-472574/ | Sep 19 14:56 |
| schestowitz | fewa: no idea, but not many trees are left here (forests that it), except the east, IIRC | Sep 19 14:57 |
| schestowitz | I recently watch a documentary I'm trying to find for you | Sep 19 14:57 |
| fewa | and no old growth forrests | Sep 19 14:57 |
| fewa | schestowitz, if you ever come you the US you have to visit one of the few old growth forrests | Sep 19 14:57 |
| fewa | those that have never been logged | Sep 19 14:58 |
| schestowitz | I watched it on YouTube IIRC; it's about how deforestation moves eastwards to places like Poland where there are extinct species | Sep 19 14:58 |
| fewa | trees 15' in diametre | Sep 19 14:58 |
| schestowitz | I think many animals have already been totally exterminated here by now | Sep 19 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't Dakota have some preservation going for it? | Sep 19 14:59 |
| schestowitz | And the whole national reserve thing like Yellowstone? | Sep 19 14:59 |
| schestowitz | The native Indians saw themselves as part of nature | Sep 19 14:59 |
| fewa | Its a large country | Sep 19 14:59 |
| fewa | and yellowstone war largely logged | Sep 19 14:59 |
| fewa | *was | Sep 19 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Nowadays, most people see nature as something that 'God' gave for them to exploit | Sep 19 14:59 |
| fewa | also, yellowstone burns down every once in a while | Sep 19 14:59 |
| schestowitz | fewa: then there's Brazil | Sep 19 14:59 |
| fewa | when i was there a few years ago it had just burned in a natural forrest fire | Sep 19 15:00 |
| schestowitz | People are murdered there for defending their habitats in the Amazon | Sep 19 15:00 |
| fewa | look like a bunch of standing, massive, toothpicks | Sep 19 15:00 |
| schestowitz | The globalists versus the real population | Sep 19 15:00 |
| fewa | but yeah yellowstone is amazing | Sep 19 15:00 |
| fewa | congrats goes out to Theodore Roosevelt | Sep 19 15:00 |
| fewa | the first president that campaigned on Universal Single-payer health care | Sep 19 15:00 |
| fewa | in 1906 | Sep 19 15:00 |
| fewa | and we still don't have it | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/cp/bio/Nicholas-Kolakowski/ | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft..... | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | 2009-09-17 Microsoft Releases Office Web Apps Technical Preview | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-17 Microsoft Promises Big Makeover with Project 2010 | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-16 Microsoft Bing Still Has Room to Grow, Says Exec | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-16 Microsoft Bing Owned 10.7 Percent of Searches in August | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-16 Microsoft, Yahoo Deal May Be Examined by EU, Says Report | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-15 Business Mobility Could Cause Future Problems, Says Forrester | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-15 Microsoft Bing's Visual Search Takes On Google's Similar Images | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-15 Microsoft Releases Zune HD as Attempted iPod Killer | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-14 Microsoft Launches Visual Search for Bing | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-14 Apple Slashes Apple TV Price to $229, Eliminates 40GB Model | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-14 Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack 2009 R2 Is Slated for October Release | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-14 Microsoft Says Windows 7 Eases IT Management, Saves Money | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-13 Microsoft Windows 7 Ramp-Up Continues, Despite Legal Battles | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-12 Apple's iPod Evolution Could Mark End of Dedicated Devices | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-11 Microsoft Fine Is Overturned in Alcatel-Lucent Patent Infringement Case | Sep 19 15:01 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-11 Microsoft, Yahoo Search Deal Under Justice Department Scrutiny | Sep 19 15:02 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-11 Apple Tablet, Beatles, iPod Touch Camera Missing from Apple Event | Sep 19 15:02 |
| schestowitz | starstarstarstarstar 2009-09-10 Microsoft Releases Microsoft Deployment Toolkit 2010 | Sep 19 15:02 |
| fewa | geeze | Sep 19 15:02 |
| schestowitz | icrosoft, Microsoft, Microsoft..... | Sep 19 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Look how many of his latest headlines start with "Microsoft" | Sep 19 15:02 |
| schestowitz | It's like he got assigned by Waggener | Sep 19 15:02 |
| *schestowitz hates Ziff Davis | Sep 19 15:02 | |
| fewa | their table layouts are atrocious | Sep 19 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Chris Liddell keynote at Microsoft Tech.Ed New Zealand 2009 < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/teched/6783 > | Sep 19 15:03 |
| fewa | I should publish my adblock filter list | Sep 19 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft promotes Microsoft in the 'news' | Sep 19 15:03 |
| fewa | that blocks all the crap on a bunch of news sites | Sep 19 15:03 |
| fewa | turns the register.co.uk into something that looks like google hosted AP news | Sep 19 15:03 |
| fewa | much easier on the eyes | Sep 19 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Reads like an advert: http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/14/microsoft-apple-ipod-technology-personal-tech-zune.html | Sep 19 15:04 |
| schestowitz | The press is a joke | Sep 19 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Many people just don't yet realise it | Sep 19 15:04 |
| schestowitz | They have funders | Sep 19 15:04 |
| schestowitz | They are run for someone, not for the viewers | Sep 19 15:04 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCgM9L4dVSw | Sep 19 15:04 |
| fewa | just attacking a public servent | Sep 19 15:05 |
| fewa | a elected public servant | Sep 19 15:05 |
| fewa | 2 of them | Sep 19 15:05 |
| fewa | while they think they can get away with whatever because of the 1st amendment | Sep 19 15:06 |
| fewa | congress can create ethics rules and enforcement | Sep 19 15:06 |
| fewa | "have you read the bill?" | Sep 19 15:08 |
| schestowitz | brb | Sep 19 15:09 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Sep 19 15:13 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 19 15:13 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri Jun 12 18:24:05 2009 | Sep 19 15:13 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Sep 19 15:13 | |
| fewa | "who pays it, the bill fairy?" | Sep 19 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Bill Clinton you mean? | Sep 19 15:18 |
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| fewa | Bill Clinton what? | Sep 19 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: wtf | Sep 19 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | how did you get bill clinton out of that? | Sep 19 15:19 |
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| fewa | Diablo-D3, you don't have to be so reactionary | Sep 19 15:19 |
| schestowitz | I have this theory that daemon and diablo are twins separated in birth | Sep 19 15:20 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Sep 19 15:20 |
| schestowitz | But they don't get along | Sep 19 15:20 |
| fewa | http://www.pnhp.org/facts/a_brief_history_universal_health_care_efforts_in_the_us.php | Sep 19 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Haha- > Microsoft Claims i4i's Evidence is 'Irrelevant' < http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3839301 > | Sep 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | They abuse and they don't give a flip | Sep 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Another victim of Microsoft p*rtnership | Sep 19 15:21 |
| fewa | wow, they don't have a defense | Sep 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ uname -a | Sep 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Linux roy 2.6.31-10-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 16 00:23:19 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | Sep 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Just updated to the newest kernel and rebooted | Sep 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | I ran an RC beforehand | Sep 19 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz; ... | Sep 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | I want to try Pardus | Sep 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | PiSu PiSi...... | Sep 19 15:22 |
| trmanco | >>> import os | Sep 19 15:22 |
| trmanco | >>> print os.uname() | Sep 19 15:22 |
| trmanco | ('Linux', 'trmanco-desktop', '2.6.28-15-generic', '#52-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 9 10:49:34 UTC 2009', 'i686') | Sep 19 15:22 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 19 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has run out of ideas.. http://www.pcworld.com/article/172053/new_xbox_360_wireless_adapter_in_the_works.html | Sep 19 15:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm now running #linux 2.6.31 final. The RC, just like #KDE 4.3.1, was so rock-solid that it's amazing. | Sep 19 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | No bias here: http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/102819/microsoft-windows-7-will-set-industry-afire.html | Sep 19 15:36 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Sep 19 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Ka-ching, PaulT. | Sep 19 15:36 |
| fewa | "for what many feel will be the first blockbuster Windows release since Windows 95" | Sep 19 15:38 |
| fewa | Some people say that weasel words are great! | Sep 19 15:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 19 15:39 |
| fewa | When Vista 7 tanks the world will be a much more sane place | Sep 19 15:39 |
| fewa | also, Microsoft is spending its money in the wrong place | Sep 19 15:40 |
| fewa | if they actually spent it trying to make their product better they might actually be able to reatain some customers | Sep 19 15:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 19 15:41 |
| fewa | instead of spending so much money to suggest that it is the greatest thing since sliced bread | Sep 19 15:41 |
| oiaohm_ | It the money is the issue. | Sep 19 15:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux has not disappeared. | Sep 19 15:42 |
| fewa | http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html | Sep 19 15:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of people don't get if MS does not make enough income they cannot afford to maintain windows. | Sep 19 15:43 |
| fewa | smart people don't want to work for them | Sep 19 15:43 |
| fewa | they have this illusion that they are industructable | Sep 19 15:44 |
| fewa | I hear DEC history was similar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Equipment_Corporation | Sep 19 15:45 |
| fewa | rapid decline into obscurity | Sep 19 15:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of companies historys match MS. | Sep 19 15:45 |
| oiaohm_ | The hardest thing for lot of MS people to get is Linux development is only just starting to get serous about desktop development. | Sep 19 15:47 |
| oiaohm_ | We had years of just screwing around. | Sep 19 15:47 |
| fewa | wonder who will end up with the copyrights | Sep 19 15:48 |
| fewa | experimentation and just hobbying | Sep 19 15:48 |
| fewa | yeah, now serious | Sep 19 15:48 |
| fewa | now actually going to come up with new ideas, finially the world will move beyond 1980s desktop | Sep 19 15:49 |
| oiaohm_ | Not really new ideas. | Sep 19 15:49 |
| oiaohm_ | More tidying up of ideas created in the muck around years. | Sep 19 15:49 |
| fewa | yeah | Sep 19 15:49 |
| fewa | pause and rewind live programs :P | Sep 19 15:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Realtime support merge should complete in 2010 | Sep 19 15:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Policy kit should be come more core. | Sep 19 15:51 |
| fewa | but real logging and transactions system-wide will make people think its new | Sep 19 15:51 |
| fewa | will enable cool stuff | Sep 19 15:51 |
| oiaohm_ | If we can sort out the audio level system will be complete. | Sep 19 15:52 |
| fewa | audio is a mess, buch of messing around | Sep 19 15:52 |
| fewa | and NIH | Sep 19 15:52 |
| fewa | like phonon | Sep 19 15:52 |
| oiaohm_ | It is less of a mess to what it was. | Sep 19 15:53 |
| fewa | and graphics | Sep 19 15:53 |
| oiaohm_ | At least some of the sound servers went by by. | Sep 19 15:53 |
| fewa | unprivileged desktop sessions | Sep 19 15:54 |
| oiaohm_ | The graphics is planed basically to solution. | Sep 19 15:54 |
| fewa | yeah | Sep 19 15:54 |
| fewa | thing are moving forward | Sep 19 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I have some good posts about Vista 7 coming | Sep 19 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is hiring shills now | Sep 19 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Apart from Jo Foley and all | Sep 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Shills in China | Sep 19 15:55 |
| fewa | /etc standardization will take longer | Sep 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | With 'good English' | Sep 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Sep 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Busted | Sep 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Nice addition to the collection | Sep 19 15:55 |
| fewa | thats what I noticed on fedora, things just wern't as clean in etc as they are in debian | Sep 19 15:55 |
| oiaohm_ | Thing also they miss is that not only moving forwards fewa but also picking up speed. | Sep 19 15:55 |
| fewa | yep | Sep 19 15:55 |
| fewa | it is going _very_ fast | Sep 19 15:55 |
| fewa | Why you learn to compile your own | Sep 19 15:55 |
| fewa | to get all the features | Sep 19 15:56 |
| oiaohm_ | I also think its interesting that so much stuff is being added recently to assist kernel debugging. | Sep 19 15:56 |
| oiaohm_ | For years that kind of maintaince stuff did not get even a min thought. | Sep 19 15:56 |
| fewa | binary and source package standardization | Sep 19 15:57 |
| fewa | that will also take a while, but no huge rush | Sep 19 15:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44021/97/ | Sep 19 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Thoughts? | Sep 19 15:58 |
| oiaohm_ | Even the speed of that is increasing. | Sep 19 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Almost no-one moves from Linux to Windows | Sep 19 15:59 |
| oiaohm_ | I know of almost no section of Linux development slowing. | Sep 19 15:59 |
| fewa | schestowitz, anyone? | Sep 19 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sort of bribed ASUS for it | Sep 19 15:59 |
| schestowitz | And ASUS is still with Linux | Sep 19 15:59 |
| fewa | aha, not users | Sep 19 15:59 |
| oiaohm_ | I am waiting for a download to complete. | Sep 19 15:59 |
| oiaohm_ | I will have a look at site in about 5 schestowitz | Sep 19 16:00 |
| fewa | wut | Sep 19 16:00 |
| fewa | html is low-bandwidth | Sep 19 16:00 |
| schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2009888670_palmaxeswindowsmobile.html | Sep 19 16:00 |
| fewa | "Palm is fed up with Microsoft Windows Mobile" | Sep 19 16:00 |
| MinceR | so am i | Sep 19 16:00 |
| oiaohm_ | More my download program little greedy fewa and upsets dns cache a bit I have to investage why fewa | Sep 19 16:02 |
| fewa | that doesn't make much sense | Sep 19 16:02 |
| fewa | what dns cacher? | Sep 19 16:02 |
| fewa | i use "dnscache" http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/dnscache.html | Sep 19 16:03 |
| fewa | also for DHCP | Sep 19 16:03 |
| oiaohm_ | It could be my configuration of network traffic. | Sep 19 16:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie dns look ups not getting a chance. | Sep 19 16:04 |
| fewa | I want something as easy as distribution tools for installing distributed files | Sep 19 16:04 |
| fewa | nvm | Sep 19 16:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm amazed at how much research can turn up on #AstroTurfing #Microsoft does for #Vista7 . Posts coming soon... | Sep 19 16:06 | |
| oiaohm_ | Palm was only selling MS phones to get sales. No hardware company in there right mind is going to pay for a OS unless there current OS cannot sell enough product schestowitz | Sep 19 16:07 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 19 16:08 |
| schestowitz | I followed the history closely | Sep 19 16:08 |
| schestowitz | They were stuck with Palm OS | Sep 19 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Then they lost customer confidence when selling out to Microsoft | Sep 19 16:08 |
| schestowitz | The rest is history, but they already had the Linux platform planned | Sep 19 16:08 |
| schestowitz | They were gonna do ACCESS (not LiMo-tied) | Sep 19 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is very funny now, oiaohm_ . I'm watching news about them, only to find AstroTurf, no news products (new Zune... hehe!) I can hopefully make posts about it tonight... Software Freedom Day... | Sep 19 16:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Even the AstroTurf is down. | Sep 19 16:13 |
| oiaohm_ | I am seeing less and less signs out of Microsoft that they are healthy. | Sep 19 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tries to prolong its survival at the moment | Sep 19 16:14 |
| schestowitz | It failed to evolve | Sep 19 16:14 |
| schestowitz | 'Fog computing' and all.... | Sep 19 16:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, less AstroTurfing in comments | Sep 19 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I see a lot ogf negative articles about Vista, then I scroll down | Sep 19 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I expect the usual perception management | Sep 19 16:14 |
| schestowitz | But sometimes I don't find it anymore | Sep 19 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Just more 'no men' who agree that Vista 7 is no good and then they speak about Mac, XP, and Linux | Sep 19 16:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologylive/2009/09/google-docs-gains-traction-in-the-office.html | Sep 19 16:15 |
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| oiaohm_ | ODF has not stopped gaining traction. | Sep 19 16:17 |
| oiaohm_ | So items like google docs get more grip. | Sep 19 16:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: only one company won in console. | Sep 19 16:17 |
| schestowitz | *soles | Sep 19 16:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/172051/why_the_wii_will_continue_to_dominate_one_word_mario.html | Sep 19 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Both Microsoft and Sony lost and keep losing (money) | Sep 19 16:18 |
| oiaohm_ | The console war is not over. | Sep 19 16:18 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, Docs is not an OOXML vector | Sep 19 16:18 |
| schestowitz | This ought to worry Microsoft | Sep 19 16:18 |
| schestowitz | They like to count # of doc or docx files | Sep 19 16:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I just came across a interesting article by Jan Stedehouder: http://tinyurl.com/kolzl7 | Sep 19 16:18 | |
| schestowitz | Google is Web-based | Sep 19 16:18 |
| schestowitz | People pass files around as URLs | Sep 19 16:18 |
| oiaohm_ | I wish kontact would get complete for windows. | Sep 19 16:19 |
| oiaohm_ | So I could start nuking exchange with kolab. | Sep 19 16:20 |
| oiaohm_ | There are a lot of admins like me out there also just waiting on particular bits of software to start removing MS ties. | Sep 19 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Have you seen this...: | Sep 19 16:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/15/us_bank_switches_to_ibm_lotus/ | Sep 19 16:22 |
| fewa | google docs is horrible | Sep 19 16:22 |
| fewa | Its the worst of both worlds | Sep 19 16:22 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.envizionscorp.com/evo.html Linux box vs console. | Sep 19 16:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Sub7ana Allah. Tommorow 20/September/2009 will be Eidul-Fitr.. and my birthday too! Happy Eidul-Fitr for everyone! ^___^ | Sep 19 16:22 | |
| fewa | its propritary and your data is not even in your control | Sep 19 16:22 |
| fewa | the only thing good is that it works with ODF | Sep 19 16:23 |
| fewa | but Google could take that away tomarrow | Sep 19 16:23 |
| fewa | they are pushing google docs through GMail too | Sep 19 16:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Lotus is just swaping 1 devil for another schestowitz | Sep 19 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 19 16:24 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, it's not the solution, BUT... | Sep 19 16:24 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather see the company that ATTACKS Linux vanish | Sep 19 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Then we Linux users can live in peace and groq | Sep 19 16:24 |
| schestowitz | *grow | Sep 19 16:24 |
| fewa | we need to seperate the computing resources from the programs | Sep 19 16:25 |
| fewa | you can put your stuff out there | Sep 19 16:25 |
| fewa | but you always have full control over your data | Sep 19 16:25 |
| fewa | and the better solution (IMHO) is better server that run on the users computer | Sep 19 16:26 |
| fewa | but that takes alot of hard work to make deployable | Sep 19 16:26 |
| fewa | federated standarized communications has do be improved first | Sep 19 16:27 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/its-bird-its-plane-its-amouse << Ok some of these new 3d mice are warped. | Sep 19 16:27 |
| fewa | like what Opera was doing--putting a HTTP server in the browser | Sep 19 16:27 |
| fewa | to enable 2-directional communication without becoming reliant on any 3rd party host | Sep 19 16:27 |
| fewa | http://unite.opera.com/ | Sep 19 16:28 |
| fewa | wow thats a good video | Sep 19 16:29 |
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| fewa | Its about net neutrality, end-2-end | Sep 19 16:29 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.internetnews.com/government/article.php/3839831/Mozilla+Firefox+Cleared+of+US+Export+Rules.htm << Ok boy this opens up pandora's box. | Sep 19 16:31 |
| fewa | and well designed sotware that lets people do it easily | Sep 19 16:31 |
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| oiaohm_ | Could mean Linux distributions don't have to obey the export rules any more than to inform the USA that its going there. | Sep 19 16:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Now the question where do other claims against open source stand. | Sep 19 16:33 |
| oiaohm_ | It would be funny if patents and the like cannot be applied to open source because no one truly has control over it. | Sep 19 16:34 |
| fewa | O thats great | Sep 19 16:34 |
| fewa | ive seen redhat having to play to that threat | Sep 19 16:35 |
| fewa | the big encryption ban was the real nasty one | Sep 19 16:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Sections of code have been kept out the Linux kernel because of it. | Sep 19 16:35 |
| fewa | If people encrypted their transmissions then the who NSA spying thing wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal | Sep 19 16:35 |
| fewa | *whole | Sep 19 16:36 |
| fewa | people could create hard security of privacy | Sep 19 16:36 |
| fewa | ---although it still could say what computer talked to whom at what time.... | Sep 19 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | From #boycottnovell-social: | Sep 19 16:52 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <schestowitz> Rememeber this thing called bing? | Sep 19 16:52 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <schestowitz> I can't find it | Sep 19 16:52 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <schestowitz> It's passe | Sep 19 16:52 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <schestowitz> :-) | Sep 19 16:52 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <schestowitz> THey fail to make buzz | Sep 19 16:52 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <schestowitz> $100ml down the Zune Toilet | Sep 19 16:52 |
| Xarver | Lol | Sep 19 17:10 |
| fewa | something I should have told you to put on your list yeasterday schestowitz | Sep 19 17:11 |
| fewa | Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz on the hidden cost of the Iraq War http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/29/exclusive_the_three_trillion_dollar_war | Sep 19 17:11 |
| fewa | and this was at the end of 2007 | Sep 19 17:12 |
| fewa | the united states is still there | Sep 19 17:12 |
| schestowitz | No intention to leave | Sep 19 17:14 |
| schestowitz | I watched a good documentary about it | Sep 19 17:14 |
| fewa | its bankrupting the United States dollar | Sep 19 17:14 |
| fewa | and government | Sep 19 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall which, but it relates to the Prof. Johnson stuff I was watching | Sep 19 17:14 |
| schestowitz | They have very pricey bases in Iraw | Sep 19 17:14 |
| fewa | the euro will replace it | Sep 19 17:14 |
| schestowitz | It feels like home there, watching the spigot more closely | Sep 19 17:15 |
| fewa | well actually I take that back | Sep 19 17:15 |
| fewa | but its a huge toll on society | Sep 19 17:15 |
| schestowitz | fewa: maybe, but China will ultimately have power to impose its own currency too | Sep 19 17:15 |
| fewa | its more expensive than vietnam | Sep 19 17:15 |
| schestowitz | TO trade in euro might be a short-term goal | Sep 19 17:15 |
| fewa | The vast majority of people who voted for obama wanted the war to end | Sep 19 17:16 |
| fewa | and the majority of Americans | Sep 19 17:16 |
| Xarver | Most people voted him because he's black probably. | Sep 19 17:16 |
| fewa | there is a _very large_ democratic deficiet in the country | Sep 19 17:16 |
| fewa | Xarver, thats a pretty nieve view | Sep 19 17:16 |
| fewa | IMHO | Sep 19 17:16 |
| Xarver | It's true though. | Sep 19 17:16 |
| fewa | hes not american-american | Sep 19 17:17 |
| fewa | at least in the traditional sense of it | Sep 19 17:17 |
| fewa | he is not the decendant of a slave/slaves | Sep 19 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | well, as long as a lot of them want to keep complaining over something that happened hundreds of years ago, there will never be any progress | Sep 19 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | the ones complaining about it are using it as a political pretext to ask for more free shit | Sep 19 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | I keep saying that if they want reparations that badly, we should offer to deport them to wherever they say their ancestors came from | Sep 19 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | that would probably shut them up pretty damned fast | Sep 19 17:19 |
| fewa | well maybe your right Xarver | Sep 19 17:19 |
| Xarver | :P | Sep 19 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't vote for him cause he's black | Sep 19 17:20 |
| schestowitz | "@mjasay it's worth you guys contacting this bank and asking /why/ they dumped #sharepoint http://bit.ly/P8u2o" | Sep 19 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | I think that he really never stood a chance of losing seeing as how bad the Republicans have gotten | Sep 19 17:20 |
| fewa | the primary is much more important than the general election | Sep 19 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, they're even scaring hardcore Republican voters away now | Sep 19 17:21 |
| fewa | although its done in such a non-representative manner its almost a farse | Sep 19 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure he won based on how bad the opposition was | Sep 19 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Oh no, politics brought up with DaemonFC around | Sep 19 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | not on his own merit | Sep 19 17:21 |
| schestowitz | bad recipe | Sep 19 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Like a bad punch | Sep 19 17:22 |
| schestowitz | LEt's change subject | Sep 19 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | winning the 2008 election against John McCain and Sarah Palin? I could have probably done that | Sep 19 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | if I had tens of billions of dollars from slimey corporate interests backing me | Sep 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's the kind of campaign they all run | Sep 19 17:23 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, can you see russia from your house? | Sep 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | you're making my point for me | Sep 19 17:24 |
| fewa | nah, im just poking fun | Sep 19 17:24 |
| fewa | she used a yahoo email for official governor business | Sep 19 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that was funny | Sep 19 17:25 |
| schestowitz | More Microsoft publicity stunts: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/179184.asp | Sep 19 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, It's cause she is a yahoo of course | Sep 19 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Yappie | Sep 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | human rights up for a vote | Sep 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | simple majority | Sep 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | churches love that because they know they can get all their people out to vote against it | Sep 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | Muslims too | Sep 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | and Jews | Sep 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Crate panic, take more debt, fund corrupt bankster, and Microsoft CFO is happy.... http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/microsoft-cfo-danger-great-depression-level-meltdown-has-passed-110804 | Sep 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | blacks | Sep 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | hispanics | Sep 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | those are the people that shot it down in California | Sep 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | there wasn't a high enough percentage of white voters that voted for Proposition 8 to pass it | Sep 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | it was black and hispanic voters that pushed it over the 50% margin | Sep 19 17:28 |
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| DaemonFC | "Free at last, free at last!!!! Hey! Where the hell do you think YOU'RE going!?" | Sep 19 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 19 17:29 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to fewa | Sep 19 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | that's what I meant when I said blacks and hispanics are only concerned with civil rights as it applies to them | Sep 19 17:30 |
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| DaemonFC | as soon as they got what they wanted, they'll gladly throw anyone under the bus | Sep 19 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | they're pissed off because the demographic tracking stats show them as more bigoted as a group than white people these days | Sep 19 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | fewa, You can help bury the truth | Sep 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | but you can't kill it | Sep 19 17:32 |
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| DaemonFC | it'll be interesting 100 years from now when history remembers what they've done | Sep 19 17:34 |
| fewa | Internet Freedom Preservation Act of 2009 | Sep 19 17:34 |
| fewa | anyone read it? | Sep 19 17:34 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 19 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft fights H1N1 virus with free website for schools http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-fights-h1n1-virus-with-free-website-for-schools.ars | Sep 19 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Disgusting^^ | Sep 19 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:37] <DaemonFC> I see how you are | Sep 19 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:37] <DaemonFC> an inconvenient truth, right? | Sep 19 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Racist provocation is not new from him...... | Sep 19 17:39 |
| fewa | nope | Sep 19 17:40 |
| fewa | yes, Microsoft disgusting | Sep 19 17:41 |
| fewa | give free training for our proprietary offerings | Sep 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll unban him later. People are upset. | Sep 19 17:41 |
| fewa | yes | Sep 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | fewa: there are more examples | Sep 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll make posts later | Sep 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | [17:39] <DaemonFC> yeah, well, you guys can insult me as a blanket group | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | [17:40] <DaemonFC> but when I set the record straight, you kickban | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | [17:40] <DaemonFC> like I said, it probably won't be in my lifetime, but history will eventually judge this mess | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | [17:41] <DaemonFC> these racial minorities are conspiring with the same religious groups that told them to get to the back of the bus and held them as slaves and used the same bible to make it all OK | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | [17:41] <DaemonFC> because they're part of the group now and they're off to lynch others | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Oh he goes in PM.. | Sep 19 17:42 |
| fewa | and Ars parrots Microsofts line | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Some do | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Ars swings both ways | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | The good cop, bad cop routine | Sep 19 17:42 |
| fewa | they are like the New York Times of technical issues | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-neil15-2009sep15,0,6305142.column | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.adweek.com/aw/creative/ad-of-the-day/article_display.jsp?creativeId=270308 | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | "This is advertising as hostage situation: Buy Windows 7 or the little kid gets it." | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | [17:43] <DaemonFC> at the same time, they demand reparations for the oppression their ancestors endured, they're infliicting the same 9/10ths of a person bullshit on other people alive today | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | [17:43] <DaemonFC> you just can't lay the hypocrisy on any thicker than that | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | [17:45] <DaemonFC> of course the groups that fund those efforts don't want to take ownership of their actions and have their names attached to the funding sheets and such | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | [17:45] <DaemonFC> that's exactly what happened in Californiat though due to campiagn finance laws | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | [17:45] <DaemonFC> *California | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | [17:46] <DaemonFC> if they're too ashamed of something they did to want your name attached to it, it tells you that they knew what they were doing was wrong | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | [17:46] <DaemonFC> *their name | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Motor mouth.......... | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | He can't control himself sometimes. | Sep 19 17:54 |
| fewa | He needs to be around people that are open | Sep 19 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/172086/to_wii_or_not_to_wii_price_cut.html | Sep 19 18:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa: what do you mean? | Sep 19 18:03 |
| schestowitz | http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/14/content_12049004.htm | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft broke the law again | Sep 19 18:04 |
| fewa | thats the only cure for bigotry | Sep 19 18:05 |
| fewa | but yeah im not being very clear | Sep 19 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ruined Bungie | Sep 19 18:06 |
| schestowitz | It could be producing games for many platforms | Sep 19 18:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/09/16/what-if-microsoft-hadnt-bought-bungie/ | Sep 19 18:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.switched.com/2009/09/18/twitter-gets-a-flashier-avatar-microsoft-goes-after-malvertise/ | Sep 19 18:07 |
| schestowitz | PR stunt? | Sep 19 18:07 |
| schestowitz | It would not be fair to say it in this case | Sep 19 18:07 |
| schestowitz | With Conficker it was a publicity stunt though | Sep 19 18:07 |
| fewa | what are MS's sins in consoles | Sep 19 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Here they actually serve own interests, too. But never mind.. | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | fewa: many | Sep 19 18:08 |
| fewa | lets see: continuation of DirectX BS over OpenGL | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Defect and deaths | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Patent violations | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Attacking rivals by crashing parties | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | ANd so on and so forth... | Sep 19 18:08 |
| fewa | something I have seen is a continuation of the renounded Microsoft web-design standards support | Sep 19 18:08 |
| fewa | (sarcasm) | Sep 19 18:10 |
| fewa | I tried to download something from the site, and it just didn't work | Sep 19 18:10 |
| fewa | and trying to force you to make an account | Sep 19 18:10 |
| fewa | and it still didn't work | Sep 19 18:11 |
| fewa | so I left | Sep 19 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Blogger Gives Commenters Faces http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/18/blogger-gives-commenters-faces | Sep 19 18:11 |
| fewa | ahh yeah | Sep 19 18:12 |
| fewa | i forgot about the bad power supplies that killed babies (literally) | Sep 19 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's response was priceless | Sep 19 18:12 |
| schestowitz | In Sweden there were house fires caused by these power supplies | Sep 19 18:13 |
| twitter1 | good morning. | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | http://slated.org/microsoft_kills_baby | Sep 19 18:13 |
| twitter1 | did you see RMS's link to the lobbiest whore in California? | Sep 19 18:13 |
| twitter1 | It's a pretty priceless demonstration of what these companies get up to. | Sep 19 18:14 |
| fewa | wish it has case numbers | Sep 19 18:15 |
| fewa | so you could look it up | Sep 19 18:15 |
| fewa | see what happened | Sep 19 18:16 |
| fewa | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2009/04/01/656-porting-to-cplusplus | Sep 19 18:20 |
| fewa | # | Sep 19 18:20 |
| fewa | # regex: some of these core feature use regulars expression. Not a big deal if it wasn't for apparently different syntax. | Sep 19 18:20 |
| fewa | i though c had a standard regex syntax | Sep 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/19/phone_disconnection_scam/ | Sep 19 18:20 |
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| fewa | does this mean Microsoft purposefully broke regexp in C#? | Sep 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | fewa: no releases from hub in a while | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: which links specifically? | Sep 19 18:21 |
| fewa | twitter1, we cant read your mind | Sep 19 18:22 |
| fewa | * we need something to grep for | Sep 19 18:22 |
| twitter1 | you need patience, I'm doing things. http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/breaking-news/oc-assemblyman-in-bed-with-lob/ | Sep 19 18:24 |
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| fewa | NotN: Millions made redundant as Facebook automated http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/17/millions-made-redundant-as-facebook-automated/ | Sep 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOKWwP_14iQ&NR=1?#t=420 | Sep 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Nice analogy there | Sep 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if we should do a post saying what Microsoft can do to be 'forgiven' | Sep 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Not that it's realistic | Sep 19 18:43 |
| zoobab_ | World Day Against Software Patents this week on the 24 | Sep 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I'm thinking trhough some points in my minds | Sep 19 18:44 |
| schestowitz | But in reality, jailing a criminal is the only way to punish properly | Sep 19 18:44 |
| schestowitz | So it's like asking, what can a criminal do to be forgiven and accepted? | Sep 19 18:44 |
| fewa | the one thing i have against Dawkins is that he forgets that religion is also a form of moral regulation | Sep 19 18:45 |
| fewa | well i guess he hit it at the end there | Sep 19 18:47 |
| fewa | the Bible is one of the most violent books ever written | Sep 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Hitchens is more aggressive than him | Sep 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | I stopped watching him | Sep 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | He's also a bit of a rightist this decade | Sep 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Maybe cause he tries to sell books or something, I dunno.. | Sep 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna do some Novell posts now | Sep 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Later I'll unleash the latest about Microsoft, which is still up to no good (and getting busted doing it) | Sep 19 18:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] SpiderScorpion #webtugahosting http://bit.ly/alojamentonacional | Sep 19 18:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] SpiderSnow Leopard #webtugahosting http://bit.ly/alojamentonacional | Sep 19 18:53 | |
| twitter1 | US has arms sale monopoly and best year ever, again. http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175115/war_is_peace | Sep 19 18:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] SpiderSquid #webtugahosting http://bit.ly/alojamentonacional | Sep 19 18:54 | |
| twitter1 | Terms of surrender, GPL'd code and court determined payment of victims -> schestowitz: I wonder if we should do a post saying what Microsoft can do to be 'forgiven' | Sep 19 18:55 |
| twitter1 | Individuals within the company should get fair trials to determine their personal guilt and how much they should pay to who. | Sep 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: they can't pat victims | Sep 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it | Sep 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They lost the money | Sep 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | And spent some | Sep 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Passed to employees and accomplices too | Sep 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying that compensating murder victim's family will bring back the dead | Sep 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | To allocate back market share to victims might be hard | Sep 19 18:57 |
| twitter1 | Bill Gates has $40 billion and lots of guilt. | Sep 19 18:57 |
| twitter1 | Steve Ballmer has lots of money too. | Sep 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Some of them no longer have products. Microsoft broke the law to kill them. | Sep 19 18:57 |
| twitter1 | The people harmed or ruined deserve compensation. | Sep 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: well, so do Rockefeller and others | Sep 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | As long as they call the shots, the robber barons get to keep their money and power | Sep 19 18:58 |
| twitter1 | No one had Rockeffeler's email | Sep 19 18:58 |
| twitter1 | We've got "knife the baby" emails. | Sep 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | WHoa. http://www.sxc.hu/photo/694510 | Sep 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Nice photo | Sep 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | But restricted, sadly | Sep 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu/photo/694510 | Sep 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | ALso restrictd | Sep 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | They don't get the Web..... | Sep 19 19:01 |
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| fewa | Thats why they work hard to cultivate good will with Gates Foundation | Sep 19 19:02 |
| fewa | while so much seems to go to patent-spreading | Sep 19 19:02 |
| twitter1 | same photo, Roy. | Sep 19 19:02 |
| fewa | which is, as well as its close issue of GMO crops, one of the most important issues to the 3rd world right now | Sep 19 19:03 |
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| fewa | Monsanto wants to be the fief to at least a billion 3rd world peasant serfs | Sep 19 19:05 |
| fewa | *lords | Sep 19 19:07 |
| fewa | woah horny toad | Sep 19 19:12 |
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| benJIman | schestowitz: We missed you at the conference. | Sep 19 19:14 |
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| twitter1 | M$ in medicine. These people are terminally .NET and M$ oriented. http://www.impac.com/ | Sep 19 19:21 |
| twitter1 | at least on equipment made by http://www.varian.com/ | Sep 19 19:22 |
| twitter1 | this is a shame because Varian is probably the best in the business | Sep 19 19:22 |
| twitter1 | they got hooked on DOS decades ago, when it was far more innocent and useful. | Sep 19 19:23 |
| twitter1 | I'm starting to agree with this -> Henrion from FFII is rightly angry, arguing that one should “Scrap ISO. They have a stupid system of physical meetings around the planet. I don´t have the money to travel to such meetings.” | Sep 19 19:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Dan Brown cries self to sleep on huge bed made of money http://notnews.today.com/?p=652 | Sep 19 19:27 | |
| twitter1 | "Lefty" proudly waved his corporate sponsorship and participation in such meetings as a badge of membership to the "open source" community. The free software community is not like that and should not be. | Sep 19 19:28 |
| twitter1 | There's nothing wrong with corporate donated code but it's always going to be a small fraction of free software. | Sep 19 19:29 |
| twitter1 | Expensive physical meetings give a disproportionate voice to those who can afford them and lock out those who can't. | Sep 19 19:30 |
| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090919111108345 | Sep 19 19:42 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: I just wrote about the conference | Sep 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/19/opensuse-11-2-seventh-milestone/ | Sep 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't touch Psystar stuff. Too far..... | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | It also seems to me like PJ spends her valuable time defending Apple because it's related to SCO-type cases | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Unless she finds Microsoft backing Psystar she might as well leave it for Apple lawyers to kick | Sep 19 19:54 |
| fewa | ISO was once tall and mighty | Sep 19 20:07 |
| fewa | but the internet has bested them | Sep 19 20:08 |
| fewa | join or die | Sep 19 20:08 |
| fewa | yet they continue to distribute their standards under "you cant do anything but download it" licences | Sep 19 20:09 |
| amarsh04 | the internet grew organically, ISO could not | Sep 19 20:09 |
| fewa | w3 is a better model | Sep 19 20:09 |
| fewa | its open | Sep 19 20:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Just read the Internet Freedom Preservation Act of 2009 #hr3458 Real net neutrality that will preserve a vibrant #web http://ur1.ca/bzcj | Sep 19 20:19 | |
| twitter1 | she's afraid that it's an attack on GPL. That's far fetched but it's nice that PJ keeps an eye on it. -> schestowitz: It also seems to me like PJ spends her valuable time defending Apple because it's related to SCO-type cases | Sep 19 20:19 |
| twitter1 | I hope she reasons it out and dismiss the threat | Sep 19 20:20 |
| twitter1 | she might find M$ backing yet. | Sep 19 20:22 |
| twitter1 | I thought she already found indirect evidence of ties. | Sep 19 20:22 |
| twitter1 | bbl | Sep 19 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 19 20:22 |
| fewa | I don't see how this has to do with the GPL | Sep 19 20:29 |
| fewa | the GPL is a licence, not a EULA | Sep 19 20:29 |
| fewa | MDY offered a case, Vernor, about first sale | Sep 19 20:30 |
| fewa | yes Vernor was good | Sep 19 20:30 |
| fewa | and a licence make copies, which is turn those copies can be owned | Sep 19 20:31 |
| fewa | *a licence to make copies | Sep 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "RIP VNUnet | Sep 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Hi Roy, | Sep 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Looks like VNUnet bit the big one: | Sep 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.v3.co.uk/ | Sep 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | The new site looks to be used as a hammer to slam all non-MS products | Sep 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | and to white wash whatever gets excreted from Bill's crowd. | Sep 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | That's quite correct. I've noticed that too. | Sep 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | INQ is dead almost | Sep 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | It used to criticise Microsoft | Sep 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Now it just trolls everyone, Mac and Linux users included | Sep 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | And Nick writes for Godzilla | Sep 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | He. | Sep 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Heh. I meant FUDzilla | Sep 19 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Oracle Shares Slip After 1Q Revenue Disappoints < http://www.data-storage-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=69003 > | Sep 19 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Hi, _Hicham_\ | Sep 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8257152.stm | Sep 19 21:15 |
| _Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Sep 19 21:15 |
| trmanco | http://improve-usenet.org/ | Sep 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: fewa banned your friend daemon | Sep 19 21:15 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | He was going off with his racial slurs again | Sep 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: old | Sep 19 21:15 |
| trmanco | what | Sep 19 21:15 |
| trmanco | the suspended page? | Sep 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Sep 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | http://server19.01domain.net/suspended.page/ | Sep 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Sep 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | WHat's that about? | Sep 19 21:16 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I wouldn't have banned him | Sep 19 21:16 |
| fewa | http://web.archive.org/web/20080124152054/improve-usenet.org/ | Sep 19 21:16 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, bans are not always permanent | Sep 19 21:16 |
| _Hicham_ | better just take his voice | Sep 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's Blinky | Sep 19 21:16 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> human rights up for a vote | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> simple majority | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> churches love that because they know they can get all their people out to vote against it | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> Muslims too | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> and Jews | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> blacks | Sep 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I used to be online friends with him | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> hispanics | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> those are the people that shot it down in California | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> there wasn't a high enough percentage of white voters that voted for Proposition 8 to pass it | Sep 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know he made a site from it | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> it was black and hispanic voters that pushed it over the 50% margin | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, i did that command | Sep 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | It used to be on his personal homepage | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | and it didn't work | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | not sure wht | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | in xchat | Sep 19 21:17 |
| fewa | with the side user bar | Sep 19 21:17 |
| trmanco | I have no idea | Sep 19 21:17 |
| _Hicham_ | this DaemonFC should really go to a shrink | Sep 19 21:18 |
| *schestowitz removes ban on *!*i=*@*.hsd1.in.comcast.net | Sep 19 21:18 | |
| *schestowitz removes ban on *!*i=*@69.245.224.* | Sep 19 21:18 | |
| _Hicham_ | who is the second banned one schestowitz ? | Sep 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: maybe he does | Sep 19 21:18 |
| fewa | how does he make his ip not resolve? | Sep 19 21:18 |
| fewa | that was him | Sep 19 21:18 |
| fewa | ie reverse dns | Sep 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | He managed to avoid a ban for a long time this time around. He used to be much worse | Sep 19 21:19 |
| fewa | part is that xchat defaults to putting in the username | Sep 19 21:20 |
| fewa | in the ban | Sep 19 21:20 |
| fewa | easy to evade that | Sep 19 21:20 |
| schestowitz | 'Free Credit Score' Company Tries To Unmask Anonymous Blogger; Sues Wikipedia < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090918/0307366238.shtml > | Sep 19 21:20 |
| schestowitz | AMazing. | Sep 19 21:20 |
| schestowitz | xchat is good at setting bans with wildcards (good GI) | Sep 19 21:20 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : can a blogger be busted even with tor ? | Sep 19 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Probably | Sep 19 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Depends how far you go | Sep 19 21:21 |
| schestowitz | And whether there's a tor trail at the node, I guess. | Sep 19 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Or the ISP | Sep 19 21:21 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u do any pushups today ? | Sep 19 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Sep 19 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Lily Allen blogs. http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=36707169&blogId=510114316 | Sep 19 21:22 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, I took a break. Lots of Microsoft comedy | Sep 19 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Watch the pasts tomorrow | Sep 19 21:23 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : have u ever tried to do pushups with one hand ? | Sep 19 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Canadian Appeals Court Says Linking To A Site Is Not Defamation http://techdirt.com/articles/20090918/0118426233.shtml | Sep 19 21:27 |
| cubezzz | tunecore is one way to go re: music | Sep 19 21:28 |
| cubezzz | I helped put out an audio cd | Sep 19 21:28 |
| *PeterKraus has quit ("Leaving") | Sep 19 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | Post-Medium Publishing http://www.paulgraham.com/publishing.html | Sep 19 21:29 |
| cubezzz | also there are music cards, kids can buy those almost anywhere | Sep 19 21:29 |
| cubezzz | no credit card needed | Sep 19 21:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hope everyone had a joyful software freedom day... | Sep 19 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | Music card.. :-) | Sep 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I think RMS' proposal was interesting | Sep 19 21:32 |
| software freedom day is not over yet! | Sep 19 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | Let people obtain music and click a button to reward song/artist they like | Sep 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | So while you're listening and enjoying the tune you slip a dollar to the artists who did the good job | Sep 19 21:33 |
| cubezzz | I don't think that would work too well | Sep 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | No middlemen, almost | Sep 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | twitter: almost over in here | Sep 19 21:33 |
| cubezzz | some people would contribute though | Sep 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Those who don't buy CDs anyway might not pay | Sep 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | No big loss hee | Sep 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | *here | Sep 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | They would not have paid anyway | Sep 19 21:34 |
| it worked great before mechanical reproduction and it will work well again- > cubezzz: I don't think that would work too well | Sep 19 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | Abundance still gives a change to more artists | Sep 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Then there's live performance | Sep 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Click button to check concerts and book online | Sep 19 21:35 |
| such a system depends on reliable, online banking. This means Windows must die. | Sep 19 21:35 | |
| cubezzz | it's harder to make money now, but yeah, it's still possible | Sep 19 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | wb twitter | Sep 19 21:35 |
| schestowitz | You can also tune in to music based on which artists is coming to your town | Sep 19 21:35 |
| schestowitz | And then choose which one to attend | Sep 19 21:35 |
| cubezzz | the donation model... | Sep 19 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | donation ? | Sep 19 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | haha | Sep 19 21:35 |
| schestowitz | No, merchendise | Sep 19 21:35 |
| cubezzz | pbs and wned use it | Sep 19 21:35 |
| schestowitz | You could improve it | Sep 19 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | donation model is not very strong | Sep 19 21:35 |
| it's always been hard to make money. | Sep 19 21:35 | |
| schestowitz | E.g. allow people to order a cup or t-shirt | Sep 19 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | we shouldn't count on donations if we want to make money | Sep 19 21:36 |
| schestowitz | With the band's 'thing' | Sep 19 21:36 |
| _Hicham_ | donation is a weak model | Sep 19 21:36 |
| cubezzz | I'd buy a tux cap :) | Sep 19 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Or fetch a wallpaper of something | Sep 19 21:36 |
| schestowitz | This way you feel like you get more for the money | Sep 19 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Promoting the free software http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/18/stories/2009091850090200.htm | Sep 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | See what they do? | Sep 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Their GOVERNENT organises software freedom day stuff | Sep 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | When will the Obama government do this? | Sep 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Sep 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe an Exxon Day !! | Sep 19 21:38 |
| Valdez forgiveness day? | Sep 19 21:39 | |
| _Hicham_ | I am organizing an IE6 day | Sep 19 21:39 |
| trmanco | To use Microsoft Office Live Workspace beta, your computer must meet one of the following requirements: | Sep 19 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Celebrate by burning up gallons of oil (consumption) | Sep 19 21:39 |
| trmanco | * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6, 7, and 8 running on Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, or Windows Vista. You can download Internet Explorer from the Internet Explorer page. | Sep 19 21:39 |
| trmanco | Sep 19 21:39 | |
| trmanco | * Mozilla Firefox running on Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista, or Mac OS X 10.2.x and later. You can download Firefox from the Firefox download page. | Sep 19 21:39 |
| trmanco | * Safari 3 and 4 on Mac OS X 10.2.x and later. | Sep 19 21:39 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 19 21:39 |
| trmanco | right... | Sep 19 21:39 |
| 1. idiot owner. | Sep 19 21:39 | |
| _Hicham_ | to celebrate IE6 as the best browser ever | Sep 19 21:39 |
| trmanco | I'll just go one using Google docs or OOo | Sep 19 21:39 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 19 21:39 |
| schestowitz | No L**** word at the Vole | Sep 19 21:39 |
| Ima let you finsh _Hicham_ ... | Sep 19 21:39 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: MS paper touts Unix in Hotmail's Win2k switch http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/ms_paper_touts_unix/ | Sep 19 21:40 |
| cubezzz | ok, why would I want to use Microsoft Office anything? :) | Sep 19 21:40 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : sorry ? | Sep 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | 'An older MS internal whitepaper from August 2000 on switching Hotmail, which MS acquired in 1997, from front-end servers running FreeBSD and back-end database servers running Solaris to a whole farm running Win2K, reads like a veritable sales brochure for UNIX, but concludes that the company ought to set the right example by ensuring that each division "should eat its own dogfood."' | Sep 19 21:40 |
| _Hicham_ | MS is using my OS | Sep 19 21:40 |
| IE 6 is the greatest browser of the year. | Sep 19 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | 'The whitepaper, by MS Windows 2000 Server Product Group member David Brooks, has been posted on the Web by Security Office, which says it discovered the item and numerous other confidential MS documents on a poorly protected server. There are a number of other fascinating documents posted, in which the careful reader will find a veritable treasure map for hacking the citadel, but the one I enjoyed best was the comparison between | Sep 19 21:40 |
| ever | Sep 19 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | Win2K and UNIX.' | Sep 19 21:40 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, now ur talking twitter | Sep 19 21:40 |
| _Hicham_ | let's celebrate IE6 | Sep 19 21:40 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | And Clippy | Sep 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | That's the mascot | Sep 19 21:41 |
| trmanco | WISE | Sep 19 21:41 |
| _Hicham_ | did u sign the petition to save IE6? | Sep 19 21:41 |
| I'm reaching for my wallet, so that I can run it in Windows 7. | Sep 19 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | "installed !trisquel -- looks great :) !fsf -- for those of you who don't know, trisquel is a fully-free GNU/Linux distribution." http://identi.ca/notice/10283397 | Sep 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | twitter: you can run Vista 7 IN IE6 | Sep 19 21:42 |
| What's $400 compared to the pleasure of tabless, no standards web browsing? | Sep 19 21:42 | |
| schestowitz | As a Web app...... | Sep 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | It does all the same thing | Sep 19 21:42 |
| oh so fun. | Sep 19 21:42 | |
| schestowitz | IE6 is the XP browser.. | Sep 19 21:42 |
| black screen? | Sep 19 21:42 | |
| schestowitz | So it's like VIsta7 | Sep 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | +the GUI | Sep 19 21:42 |
| _Hicham_ | I want IE6 in Windows 7 | Sep 19 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 (noun): an apparatus for running XP in xvm and running a ribbon-enable Solitaire | Sep 19 21:43 |
| _Hicham_ | IE6 is having tabs | Sep 19 21:43 |
| _Hicham_ | and is faster | Sep 19 21:43 |
| I was going to go the full route... buy Windows 7 loaded computer, and run IE 6 in it's famous XP emulator. I don't think I can get an XP compatible computer anymore. | Sep 19 21:43 | |
| _Hicham_ | and renders everything quickly | Sep 19 21:43 |
| IE6 has no tabs and it does nothing quickly but fail. | Sep 19 21:44 | |
| _Hicham_ | twitter is powered by Trident rendering engine | Sep 19 21:44 |
| I just don't browse at work because of it. | Sep 19 21:44 | |
| Spyglass. | Sep 19 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | Someone from dialup-4.253.112.128.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net is mod-bombing BN (1 out of 5/10 for everything within reach) | Sep 19 21:44 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : that must be DaemonFC | Sep 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. No. | Sep 19 21:45 |
| fewa | lawl | Sep 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | He's more likely to de-flea the cat | Sep 19 21:45 |
| fewa | twitter, really? | Sep 19 21:45 |
| fewa | well, i guess i havnt use xp for a while | Sep 19 21:46 |
| really. IE 6 sucks and the company spys on everything I do. | Sep 19 21:46 | |
| fewa | it would be much better to run it natively | Sep 19 21:46 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter uses nothing but IE6 | Sep 19 21:46 |
| MinceR | ban and un-modbomb. :> | Sep 19 21:46 |
| _Hicham_ | because all of his websites are IE6-only | Sep 19 21:46 |
| fewa | hell, big reason I hard tried out linux is cause vista didn't work at all with either of _two_ sound cards i had | Sep 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Sep 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm just informing you guys | Sep 19 21:47 |
| fewa | (had used before, but fully switched) | Sep 19 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : no drivers ? | Sep 19 21:47 |
| MinceR | pft | Sep 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | We have those "haters" | Sep 19 21:47 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, wont release for 64-bit | Sep 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | They call /us/ "haters", but hypocrisy knows no bounds. | Sep 19 21:47 |
| fewa | and closed source | Sep 19 21:47 |
| fewa | so no way to get them to release | Sep 19 21:47 |
| fewa | make you realize the tragging nature of propritary software | Sep 19 21:47 |
| fewa | *trapping | Sep 19 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : was Vista preinstalled ? | Sep 19 21:48 |
| Well, yeah. M$ is screwed right now. | Sep 19 21:48 | |
| fewa | no | Sep 19 21:48 |
| No one wants to go to Vista because it breaks all their aps and no one knows how to use the crap. | Sep 19 21:48 | |
| fewa | but even a mainstream brand new motherboard | Sep 19 21:48 |
| but they have been killing XP driver development for the last 4 years. | Sep 19 21:49 | |
| fewa | with NVIDIA chipset of all things | Sep 19 21:49 |
| fewa | and the audio sounded like an analog radio | Sep 19 21:49 |
| fewa | it was just horrible | Sep 19 21:49 |
| fewa | sure, 32-bit or xp might have worked | Sep 19 21:49 |
| That leaves people with a choice of Vista, which they hate and can't use, or Apple and GNU/Linux which will run their XP apps. | Sep 19 21:49 | |
| fewa | but if a platform cant go forwards, it will cease to exist | Sep 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is officially frozen. The Microsoft sites have nothing to talk about but some Cougar sighting on campus, repeatedly they report this nonsense. | Sep 19 21:49 |
| Basically, they have asked everyone to leave Windows. | Sep 19 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | Slow week at Voleland | Sep 19 21:49 |
| fewa | but if a platform cant go forwards, it will cease to exist | Sep 19 21:50 |
| and helped shove them out | Sep 19 21:50 | |
| fewa | thats why only free software can compete | Sep 19 21:50 |
| fewa | or at least open source | Sep 19 21:50 |
| fewa | the free software difference will have to be taught to consumers | Sep 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft spinola: "It's a blow for Microsoft, but the company can surely empathize with Palm's situation." http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/09/why_palm_is_dropping_windows_mobile.html?ana=from_rss | Sep 19 21:50 |
| Vista has officially, completely failed. Windows 7 won't do better for all the same reasons. | Sep 19 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | They try to create sympathy | Sep 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! analogy | Sep 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | twitter: nope | Sep 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 can do worse | Sep 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | It's a cra* ecnomy | Sep 19 21:51 |
| probably and sooner | Sep 19 21:51 | |
| schestowitz | And CIOs reject it BEFORE arrival | Sep 19 21:51 |
| fewa | I had tried Linux maybe 2001, 2003 or so | Sep 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Not even VIsta received such lukewarm response | Sep 19 21:51 |
| fewa | they know better | Sep 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Don't let the PR puppet and those who are victim of PR puppet use peer pressure to tell you how it'll go | Sep 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft acts like a bunch of bullies | Sep 19 21:52 |
| fewa | schestowitz, agreed Windows is officially frozen | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | And tomrorrow I'll show this in posts | Sep 19 21:52 |
| fewa | frozen at XP, NT 5.0 | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | They AstroTurf some more for VIsta 7 | Sep 19 21:52 |
| fewa | *5.3 | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | They actually pay for 'fans' | Sep 19 21:52 |
| fewa | it will not go beyond that, instead it will die | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is just Vista | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | THey had to hurry up and release somehting | Sep 19 21:52 |
| fewa | forever at NT 5.3 | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Prior to this they have Mojave | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It didn;t work | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Not even SP2 made people leave XP | Sep 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | So they resorted to huge marketing stunt with bribes and all | Sep 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | And they remodelled the Vista GI | Sep 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Look at KDE4, start the photocopiers | Sep 19 21:53 |
| fewa | Then when I finially comitted to switching, (before I was comitted to duel booting, so meh, meh) | Sep 19 21:53 |
| people are leaving XP, they got to gnu/linux and Apple. | Sep 19 21:53 | |
| fewa | it was like, "why the hell didn't i do this earlier" | Sep 19 21:53 |
| it's time for me to see if this crappy Intel video card can be made to behave. | Sep 19 21:53 | |
| bbl | Sep 19 21:53 | |
| fewa | you realize that suddenly the computer isn't hidden from you | Sep 19 21:53 |
| *twitter has quit ("Leaving.") | Sep 19 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | Intel is cr*p | Sep 19 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Today I disabled Composite | Sep 19 21:54 |
| schestowitz | It looks so weird going back to Composite disabled | Sep 19 21:54 |
| schestowitz | You can see stuff redrawn by X | Sep 19 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Although fast | Sep 19 21:55 |
| fewa | I always have composit off | Sep 19 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Why are the fakers being fed? http://ostatic.com/blog/linus-torvalds-comes-clean-or-does-he | Sep 19 21:56 |
| schestowitz | fewa: what are you on? [DE] | Sep 19 21:56 |
| fewa | GNOME/Metacity | Sep 19 21:56 |
| fewa | lots of qt apps | Sep 19 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Dark Days for Windows Mobile, But Not For Open Source Platforms < http://ostatic.com/blog/dark-days-for-windows-mobile-but-not-for-open-source-platforms > | Sep 19 21:57 |
| fewa | but ill run plasma and stuff | Sep 19 21:57 |
| schestowitz | fewa: tried kde4 yet? | Sep 19 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | plasma is no fun without Compsite | Sep 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | It does pseudo-transparency from what I've seen | Sep 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Not quite the real thing | Sep 19 21:58 |
| fewa | hmm my screen has compositing | Sep 19 21:58 |
| fewa | but when i run it I get | Sep 19 21:58 |
| fewa | <unknown program name>(5341)/ checkComposite: Plasma is COMPOSITE-less on 0x10ba8c0 | Sep 19 21:59 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : u r not running compiz ? | Sep 19 21:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.3 is still astounding piece of work. The team just needs more publicity and demos. | Sep 19 21:59 | |
| fewa | when i run compiz, i turn off all animations | Sep 19 21:59 |
| schestowitz | http://search.twitter.com/search?q=ubuntu+lucid+lynx | Sep 19 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : why ? | Sep 19 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | because of speed ? | Sep 19 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Nice new name for Ubuntu 10.4 | Sep 19 22:01 |
| _Hicham_ | what is this name schestowitz ? | Sep 19 22:02 |
| fewa | why is the media pushing this? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/18/elizabeth-warren-for-sena_n_291804.html | Sep 19 22:02 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, because they are distracting | Sep 19 22:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next years's #Ubuntu will be codenamed #Lynx (versus Leopard) | Sep 19 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/100-nero-linux-4000 | Sep 19 22:02 |
| fewa | I want things _now_, not after a pointless animation | Sep 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Pardus :-) Karakul | Sep 19 22:03 |
| twitter1 | hmmm, that Intel card did not do so well. | Sep 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa: true | Sep 19 22:03 |
| twitter1 | sad. | Sep 19 22:03 |
| twitter1 | this one works nicely. | Sep 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Progmatism | Sep 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | But.... | Sep 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Animations can be very fast | Sep 19 22:03 |
| _Hicham_ | I still prefer brasero to nero | Sep 19 22:03 |
| fewa | I look for cool graphics in games | Sep 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | In KDE, revolution of the cube is almost instant (about 20 frames in half a second) | Sep 19 22:04 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : try penumbra game | Sep 19 22:04 |
| fewa | or something designed around it | Sep 19 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Faster than the eye can discern # of frames | Sep 19 22:04 |
| fewa | hum might be well-done | Sep 19 22:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] FOSS v Proprietary? A debate between two geeks? http://tinyurl.com/llgm5a #microsoft #apple #linux #foss #windows #vista #xp | Sep 19 22:04 | |
| fewa | cause I have a huge 2 screens on a sort of cheap video card | Sep 19 22:04 |
| *schestowitz avoids games because they are addictive | Sep 19 22:04 | |
| fewa | with a ton open | Sep 19 22:05 |
| fewa | waste of time | Sep 19 22:05 |
| twitter1 | KDE won't be so quick on my sorry desktop. | Sep 19 22:06 |
| fewa | --depending | Sep 19 22:06 |
| twitter1 | It should work nicely on my EEEPC. | Sep 19 22:06 |
| fewa | Nexuiz is fun :P | Sep 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: typo/grammar: :" Its not its simply (IMO) a different" | Sep 19 22:06 |
| twitter1 | should also work well on my X30 | Sep 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: kde4 is not heavier than kde3 for most things | Sep 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [H]omer says it's about as light as lxde | Sep 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Not that I ever tried lxde... it's too new for me | Sep 19 22:07 |
| twitter1 | it's a matter of working acceleration for me | Sep 19 22:07 |
| twitter1 | my desktop does not have that | Sep 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | I suppose some linux users buy Nero | Sep 19 22:08 |
| fewa | I think with the LGPL qt KDE can compete as default again | Sep 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | That's good news | Sep 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | k3b makes it obsolete | Sep 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | But it shows that Linux is really widely used | Sep 19 22:08 |
| twitter1 | -> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) | Sep 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | If Nero finds it worthwhile to make Linux versions anew | Sep 19 22:08 |
| twitter1 | something about that card sucks life | Sep 19 22:08 |
| fewa | Nero was really good when i used it | Sep 19 22:09 |
| twitter1 | k3b has always been good. | Sep 19 22:09 |
| fewa | back in the day | Sep 19 22:09 |
| fewa | although the vast majority of uses wont use all its features | Sep 19 22:09 |
| fewa | and can use something really simple like imgburn or brasero | Sep 19 22:09 |
| fewa | imgburn is really well made and officially supported in wine | Sep 19 22:09 |
| fewa | k3b is on nero class | Sep 19 22:09 |
| fewa | for supporting all the features | Sep 19 22:10 |
| twitter1 | I never used nero because I quit using Windows long ago. | Sep 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | k3b is so simple to use | Sep 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I never got it wrong and I didn't spend a minute learning it | Sep 19 22:10 |
| fewa | nero was hard to use | Sep 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It was | Sep 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I used it on a mate's computer over 5 years ago | Sep 19 22:10 |
| fewa | later it became bloatware too | Sep 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | It had me confused as a new user | Sep 19 22:11 |
| twitter1 | that's the difference between free and propitiatory software. | Sep 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I needed help to be sure to burn it right | Sep 19 22:11 |
| fewa | free software never becomes bloatware | Sep 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Nero creeps me out since then (I only spend minutes on the thing) | Sep 19 22:11 |
| twitter1 | propitiatory software will never behave, be well documented or anything but a toy. | Sep 19 22:11 |
| fewa | but until imgburn there was nothing else | Sep 19 22:11 |
| fewa | cause everything else on windows sucks even more | Sep 19 22:12 |
| twitter1 | the economics of commercial software are like that | Sep 19 22:12 |
| twitter1 | hopeles | Sep 19 22:12 |
| fewa | imgburn is not free software | Sep 19 22:12 |
| fewa | but it was not designed commercially | Sep 19 22:12 |
| fewa | it was designed as a dvd ripping tool | Sep 19 22:12 |
| fewa | and the author abandoned that due to legal pressure and make it a burning program instead | Sep 19 22:13 |
| twitter1 | dvdbackup is nice | Sep 19 22:13 |
| twitter1 | it's command line, just type it with your favorite options and come back later to a perfect copy of your DVD. | Sep 19 22:13 |
| fewa | and its very clever, with funny messages when u use it | Sep 19 22:13 |
| twitter1 | descramble | Sep 19 22:13 |
| twitter1 | s | Sep 19 22:14 |
| fewa | twitter1, or use cdrecord | Sep 19 22:14 |
| fewa | or just cat /dev/scd0 | Sep 19 22:14 |
| fewa | and then cdrecord that iso | Sep 19 22:14 |
| fewa | doesn't that work? | Sep 19 22:14 |
| fewa | or does it too picky with errors? | Sep 19 22:14 |
| twitter1 | easier to use the better made tools | Sep 19 22:14 |
| twitter1 | I like to rip the movie I'm interested in and ditch all of the "extras" | Sep 19 22:15 |
| fewa | also seeking out libs | Sep 19 22:15 |
| fewa | people focus on user programs | Sep 19 22:15 |
| fewa | but its nice to have scripting | Sep 19 22:15 |
| twitter1 | once DVD backup is finished ripping, I do cat the parts together. | Sep 19 22:15 |
| fewa | for anything that you can do manually | Sep 19 22:15 |
| twitter1 | cat sillyname1 sillyname2 > moviename.mpeg | Sep 19 22:16 |
| fewa | this is something that Apple recognized long time ago, at least OS 8, maybe 9 with their automater tool | Sep 19 22:16 |
| fewa | (never used it) | Sep 19 22:16 |
| fewa | you can just shove together mpeg files like that? | Sep 19 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Software Freedom Day | Sep 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Promoting the free software | Sep 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | A special talk by the founder of the free software movement, Richard Stallman, will lead the list of special programmes put together by the IT@School on the VICTERS channel on the occasion of the Software Freedom Day (SFD) on September 19. | Sep 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/18/stories/2009091850090200.htm | Sep 19 22:19 |
| *hicham_ is now known as _Hicham_ | Sep 19 22:19 | |
| schestowitz | Software Freedom Day 2009 | Sep 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/events/sfd2009 | Sep 19 22:19 |
| fewa | today? | Sep 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Yeah..? | Sep 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2009091803235OPCY | Sep 19 22:20 |
| schestowitz | ^interesting insight | Sep 19 22:20 |
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| _Hicham_ | fewa_ : u can kill the ghost nickname | Sep 19 22:30 |
| fewa_ | i usually wait till it times out | Sep 19 22:31 |
| fewa_ | cause killing and all should be automatic | Sep 19 22:31 |
| fewa_ | just not to interested in doing a computers job | Sep 19 22:31 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa_ : "/ghost fewa <password>" | Sep 19 22:32 |
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| *fewa_ is now known as fewa | Sep 19 22:32 | |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : isn't that better ? | Sep 19 22:33 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, your name is _Hicham_ | Sep 19 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : my real name ? | Sep 19 22:33 |
| schestowitz | jono's book is out: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-available-for-free-download/ | Sep 19 22:33 |
| fewa | no, i mean nick | Sep 19 22:33 |
| fewa | so why should you care if my nick ends with a _ | Sep 19 22:34 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : sorry | Sep 19 22:34 |
| _Hicham_ | just thought u would be interested | Sep 19 22:34 |
| fewa | well i am | Sep 19 22:34 |
| fewa | didn't mean to be offputting | Sep 19 22:34 |
| fewa | meh | Sep 19 22:34 |
| _Hicham_ | coz i just found out that | Sep 19 22:35 |
| fewa | but i seriously see that as the computers job | Sep 19 22:35 |
| fewa | not mine | Sep 19 22:35 |
| fewa | :P | Sep 19 22:35 |
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| _Hicham_ | ok | Sep 19 22:36 |
| fewa | people should patch the clients, make them do it for you | Sep 19 22:37 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : there is no way to do that other than timeouts | Sep 19 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Haha! | Sep 19 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Scoble got crackded | Sep 19 22:39 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Sep 19 22:39 |
| schestowitz | . | Sep 19 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/09/17/hacked-again/ | Sep 19 22:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Everyone wants a Zune HD? http://tinyurl.com/m23lkb Sounds like it until you read the comments which have been silenced.... #microsoft #zune | Sep 19 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.macresearch.org/grand-central-now-open-all | Sep 19 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft fakes shortage again | Sep 19 22:50 |
| fewa | desperateness again | Sep 19 22:52 |
| schestowitz | # OLPC in one classroom in Uruguay (mp3) < http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/dispatches_20090910_20048.mp3 > | Sep 19 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Based on the pageview count at Andy's blog < http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20090914102959510 >, Slashdot effect became very weak | Sep 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | He maybe got 4k pages from the front page | Sep 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | BN got over 8k UIPs on one day this week | Sep 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | "Thank goodness for an independent judiciary. A US judge has ripped up a $33m settlement between Bank of America and the SEC over contentious bonuses at Merrill Lynch, ruling that the out-of-court deal amounted to a "cynical" pact between a top bank and its regulator." http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/andrew-clark-on-america/2009/sep/14/bank-of-america-merrill-lynch | Sep 19 22:58 |
| _goblin | Quote " BN got over 8k UIPs on one day this week" - and there was pleased with my 1k on my best day........normally I average around 300 UIP's per day... :( | Sep 19 23:01 |
| _goblin | *and there was me pleased with 1k....... | Sep 19 23:01 |
| schestowitz | "Holmes repeated the last clause slowly, emphasizing each word to the jury: “The Banana Republic of East Texas.” Then he showed the modified version of the post that went up the next day, which eliminated that last sentence and changed “conspiring” to “may have... helped.” (Frenkel had regretted his earlier harsh phrasing and changed the post of his own accord, his lawyer told the jury later on Monday.) " | Sep 19 23:02 |
| schestowitz | http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2009/09/troll-tracker-defamation-case-goes-to-trial-opening-statements.html | Sep 19 23:02 |
| schestowitz | BN has the original version | Sep 19 23:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: does it grow over time, on average? | Sep 19 23:02 |
| schestowitz | If so, you're moving forward. We've moved forward since the birth of the site | Sep 19 23:03 |
| _goblin | yep....this time last year I was averaging 50 per day! | Sep 19 23:03 |
| _goblin | I think I have a regular base of 250 who read every day and anything more is interest from people on a "one off basis" | Sep 19 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Heh. PJ links to "VMware joins Linux Foundation" | Sep 19 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I wonder why | Sep 19 23:05 |
| schestowitz | It's very old news | Sep 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Most people who read BN read it off RSS without visiting the site | Sep 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It makes it impossible to keep track of some things but it's very good because it keeps stress off the server, which just serves the caches RSS feed | Sep 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | x*cached | Sep 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.kde.org/?l=koffice&m=125319299319078&w=2 | Sep 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Good stuff for ODF | Sep 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Haha. http://www.csoonline.com/article/501077/Judge_Won_t_Lower_5M_Bail_for_SF_IT_Administrator | Sep 19 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Only in America! | Sep 19 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Why the heck of Groklaw playing a friend of Apple now.,,? http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/14/mac_sales_grow_7_as_apple_projected_to_sell_2_8m_in_quarter.html | Sep 19 23:11 |
| schestowitz | *Sigh* | Sep 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Psystar obsession | Sep 19 23:12 |
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| yuhong | BTW, I suggested in a comment that every patch tuesday. that you compare Windows security vulnerablities with Linux ones. | Sep 19 23:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Does gwibber actually work reliably for anyone? Is it just me that it's painfully slow and crashy for? #notatroll | Sep 19 23:15 | |
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| yuhong | BTW, I suggested in a comment that every patch tuesday, that you compare Windows security vulnerablities with Linux ones. | Sep 19 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: OK | Sep 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft cheats | Sep 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | it keeps patches secret (and got caught) | Sep 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2525542/ http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/09/15/200909150046.asp | Sep 19 23:28 |
| yuhong | Was this really a Windows patch? It doesn't look so from the article. But this is indeed MS cheating. | Sep 19 23:31 |
| yuhong | And while on this topic, it is true that Windows has more viruses than any other OS, there are a few other myths about Windows security that are debunked by reactos: | Sep 19 23:32 |
| yuhong | http://www.reactos.org/en/about.html | Sep 19 23:32 |
| yuhong | I was saying this for a while, but reactos said it better. | Sep 19 23:33 |
| yuhong | NT is not a hack on top of Windows 3.1. | Sep 19 23:34 |
| yuhong | And on the topic of DRM, Blu-Ray REQUIRES AACS copy protection, while HD DVD doesn't: | Sep 19 23:35 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/irc-log-16092009.html | Sep 19 23:35 |
| yuhong | At least for replication, AACS-free can be done for burned Blu-Ray discs, but these don't have acccess for all features. | Sep 19 23:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Privacy Remix Released http://bit.ly/25iAE2 | Sep 19 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Advanced #Mousing Device Supports #Linux http://bit.ly/4v8R4C #Hillcrest | Sep 19 23:48 | |
| cubezzz | the NT guys were former VMS guys I think | Sep 19 23:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top 12 #Linux and #FreeSoftware #Videos http://www.mygnulinux.com/?p=351 | Sep 19 23:50 | |
| cubezzz | originally intended to be processor-independent, multiprocessing, multiuser operating | Sep 19 23:51 |
| cubezzz | not sure how processor-independent it really was though | Sep 19 23:52 |
| cubezzz | was there a DEC Alpha NT or something... | Sep 19 23:53 |
| cubezzz | 3.1 maybe | Sep 19 23:54 |
| cubezzz | I'm not even sure there is any current windows on non-X86 CPU | Sep 19 23:56 |
| cubezzz | so we have the wintel monopoly mostly | Sep 19 23:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Not Bound by Strange US #Law of Financial Strangulation http://bit.ly/mONMl | Sep 19 23:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Aerobatic ground training today. Whee | Sep 19 23:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SoftwareFreedomDay Reaches End, Celebrated Widely in #India http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/18/stories/2009091850090200.htm http://bit.ly ... | Sep 19 23:59 | |
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