IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 23rd, 2009

DaemonFCschestowitz also balked when I said that free software running well on Windows is the best advertisement for free softwareSep 23 00:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Conficker Back and Attacking Massively http://bit.ly/8B8igSep 23 00:00
DaemonFCit's a means to an end, and sometimes the mountain does just have to come to MohammedSep 23 00:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Tries to 'Pull a #Borland ' on Apple http://bit.ly/bZq6w http://bit.ly/NZ4yhSep 23 00:01
DaemonFCwhether one likes Windows or not is entirely beside the point, if you want to reach 9 out of 10 people, that's how you're going to do itSep 23 00:02
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cubezzzgnu has stuff for windowsSep 23 00:03
DaemonFCyeah, it wouldn't be free software if it told you that it can't be ported to WindowsSep 23 00:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still a One-Trick Pony: Loses Money in Many Areas http://bit.ly/17tVSSSep 23 00:03
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't think Windows Live is supposed to turn a profitSep 23 00:04
DaemonFCLive services are really kind of a value-added thing for the most partSep 23 00:04
DaemonFCif they break even but make Windows more attractive, they're getting what they want from LiveSep 23 00:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] We empathise in horror. http://is.gd/3zPTASep 23 00:05
DaemonFCthis is one reason I mentioned that full support for Windows Live Messenger and such would make Linux an easier pill to swallowSep 23 00:06
DaemonFCright now you go to Linux and it has a few bizarre things that you never heard of and which none of your friends or family haveSep 23 00:06
DaemonFCEkiga and its ilkSep 23 00:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Olympiad 2009 Commences http://bit.ly/TVGIwSep 23 00:06
DaemonFCSkype is maybe the one A/V chat system that anyone has ever heard of that works on LinuxSep 23 00:07
DaemonFCpeople aren't going to move to a system that sends them back in time to what they were limited to 10 years agoSep 23 00:07
DaemonFCand Pidgin, Empathy, Kopete, etc. do thatSep 23 00:07
DaemonFCthat takes me back to free software's unwillingness to come to people on their termsSep 23 00:08
DaemonFCand if you won't come to people on their terms at least on the important things, the rest of your system can be the best software ever and it doesn't matterSep 23 00:09
DaemonFCWine has enabled an incredible number of Windows to Linux migrations because it does meet you halfwaySep 23 00:10
DaemonFCyou don't have to throw down everything you useSep 23 00:10
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DaemonFCthe reason I think even OS X is gobbling up frustrated former Windows users as fast as it is, is because it's compatible with Windows Live Messenger, and MS Office, and it has Cider and WineSep 23 00:11
DaemonFCUbuntu isn't doing all of thisSep 23 00:11
DaemonFCif something is not doing everything I need to do, it gets a secondary partitionSep 23 00:12
wallclimberDaemon, where do you come up with this stuff???  One of the things that's been most fun about leaving Windows behind has been all the new software availabe.  Things I'd never heard of before!  Some I liked, some not, but you'd be very wrong to believe that people aren't getting very tired of using the same old programs forever.Sep 23 00:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Three-year-old is youngest crime suspect in Britain http://notnews.today.com/?p=657Sep 23 00:12
DaemonFCwallclimber, I can use all my favorite free software on WindowsSep 23 00:12
DaemonFCbut I can't use all my favorite Windows stuff on LinuxSep 23 00:13
DaemonFCand even things that are not my favorite (Windows Live Messenger), I am still pulled into because other people use themSep 23 00:13
wallclimberThat's mostly true, but I've found that most work better on Linux.Sep 23 00:14
DaemonFCif the world used GTalk and Pidgin and I could get voice and video that way, I'd get rid of Windows Live immediatelySep 23 00:14
DaemonFChmmmmSep 23 00:14
DaemonFCWindows 7 has an updateSep 23 00:15
DaemonFChttp://support.microsoft.com/KB/974332Sep 23 00:15
DaemonFCapplication compatibility updateSep 23 00:15
wallclimberWell, i don't see the need for Windows Live...so I don't care if anything i use works with it (shrug)Sep 23 00:15
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DaemonFCas usual, new version of Windows kills some apps then they get resurrected with compatibility patchesSep 23 00:17
schestowitzCompiz, k3b, konqueror and many other wonderful programs won't run on WIndowsSep 23 00:17
DaemonFCso?Sep 23 00:18
DaemonFCImgBurn is fineSep 23 00:18
DaemonFCKonqueror does work on WindowsSep 23 00:18
DaemonFCWindows already has a compositorSep 23 00:19
DaemonFCI haven't looked at KDE on Windows in a while, so K3B may even be in thereSep 23 00:19
DaemonFCAmarok works on WindowsSep 23 00:21
DaemonFChttp://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Windows/Installation#Package_status_and_contentsSep 23 00:21
DaemonFCthink I may install KDE 4.3 for Windows and see if things have improvedSep 23 00:22
DaemonFCthey have a Win64 versionSep 23 00:23
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Amarok on Windows hooks into DirectShowSep 23 00:32
DaemonFCit can play anything you have DShow codecs forSep 23 00:32
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmTBnhOXufg&feature=related.Sep 23 00:33
DaemonFCschestowitz, You do realize what a crackpot that guy is?Sep 23 00:33
DaemonFChe said the collapse of America would be partially because of all the homosexualsSep 23 00:34
DaemonFCyou may as well be linking to some radical Muslim or somethingSep 23 00:34
schestowitzDennis: ''Economy is killing people'" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsXAzqCqEmM&feature=channelSep 23 00:37
DaemonFCmy favorite part of that maniac's delusions is his statement that the USA will split into four countries that align themselves with sponsor statesSep 23 00:37
DaemonFCthe guy is a total whackjobSep 23 00:38
DaemonFCthe fact that he got any mainstream attention speaks volumes as to how stupid people areSep 23 00:38
schestowitzJames Rogers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNLQdrPUQRE&feature=channelSep 23 00:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Horrifying tale of failed and still undead IT project http://is.gd/3zSN7Sep 23 00:44
DaemonFCyou have to work at a job for at least 3 months by law in France?Sep 23 00:45
DaemonFCthat's messed upSep 23 00:45
DaemonFCI've quit jobs on day 1 before and just never put that down on my resumeSep 23 00:46
DaemonFCone time I took a 2 week vacation from work and started a new job while I was on vacationSep 23 00:47
DaemonFCgives you a couple weeks to try it outSep 23 00:47
DaemonFCyay, it's rainingSep 23 00:49
schestowitzDeputy PM speaks out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf-eAKYqZHo&NR=1Sep 23 00:52
schestowitzALso from Russian RodaySep 23 00:52
schestowitz*TodaySep 23 00:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/cpp.htmSep 23 00:53
schestowitzgnSep 23 00:59
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cubezzzlaterSep 23 00:59
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/22/linuxcon-roundtable/Sep 23 00:59
DaemonFC"Stroustrup: Actually, I did write DOS in C++, I'll give you a demo when we're through. I have it running on a Sparc 20 in the computer room. Goes like a rocket on 4 CPU's, and only takes up 70 megs of disk. "Sep 23 01:05
DaemonFCroflSep 23 01:05
DaemonFCisn't FreeDOS written in C++?Sep 23 01:05
DaemonFCsomeone needs to get bored and write a DOS extender that turns FreeDOS into an SMP aware X86-64 operating systemSep 23 01:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] 'Open internet' rules criticised - How did I guess this was a piece written by MS before I clicked on it? http://tinyurl.com/mjb6glSep 23 01:20
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DaemonFC`the one FOSS project that has really proven itself to me, well two projects actually, are the FLAC and Vorbis codecsSep 23 02:03
DaemonFC`Vorbis handles everything I've thrown at it from AC/DC to VivaldiSep 23 02:04
DaemonFC`hmmm, my wonderful friends at Comcast have cloned me again :PSep 23 02:04
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DaemonFC`http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090922-714292.htmlSep 23 02:31
DaemonFC`FDA bans some flavored cigarettesSep 23 02:31
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DaemonFCoh damn itSep 23 02:32
DaemonFCthey banned clove cigarettesSep 23 02:32
DaemonFCthat's why the store is out of themSep 23 02:32
DaemonFChttp://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/59230292.htmlSep 23 02:43
DaemonFCHuntington School Board To Make "By The Book" DecisionSep 23 02:43
DaemonFCthey wasted over $50,000 of taxpayer money to fight to keep the bible classesSep 23 02:43
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DaemonFChttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/microsoft-apple/Sep 23 03:51
DaemonFCRumor: Microsoft Poaching Apple Retail EmployeesSep 23 03:51
ThistleWebI'm guessing their first choice was boiling or frying them, but the laws didn't allow it to they settled for poaching themSep 23 03:52
DaemonFCheheSep 23 03:52
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DaemonFCI window shop way too muchSep 23 05:11
DaemonFCheh, Linus Torvalds always amuses meSep 23 05:14
DaemonFCI found a video from 2000 where he said he couldn't pay his bills online because he refused to use NetscapeSep 23 05:15
DaemonFChe refused to use Netscape because the fonts were uglySep 23 05:15
DaemonFCI had a lot of complaints about Netscape, and ugly fonts were among them, but it had so many fundamental problems that those fonts were hardly worth mentioningSep 23 05:16
DaemonFCbrowsers in general are more the same now than they are different, all are moving towards standards compliance more than fighting to see who can be the most incompatible with everyone elseSep 23 05:17
DaemonFCI try to twist peoples arm to use anything except MSIE, and if they won't stop using MSIE, I at least install IE 8Sep 23 05:18
DaemonFCI probably work on at least 30-40 systems a week, and just over half of them have XPSep 23 05:20
DaemonFCI've never seen anything that tends to crap all over itself quite like XP. And it's not like that if you have SP3, but a lot of people are just outright ignorant and it's not unheard of for me to see XP with no service packs even and someone wondering why their system is crawling with malwareSep 23 05:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm writing another post about ComcastSep 23 05:42
DaemonFCand my latest misadventures with themSep 23 05:42
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: btw, he was rightSep 23 05:44
Diablo-D3netscape defaulted to _unreadable_ fonts on XSep 23 05:44
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, Netscape was unusable on Windows tooSep 23 05:44
Diablo-D3naw, I used ns2 and 3 back in the day on windows fineSep 23 05:44
DaemonFChangs and crashes whenever you tried to load any page that had more than a trivial amount of CSSSep 23 05:44
DaemonFCtheir Java VM was even worseSep 23 05:45
Diablo-D3lol, css didnt even exist yetSep 23 05:45
DaemonFCNetscape 4.xSep 23 05:45
Diablo-D3and netscape never had a java vm, it was sun'sSep 23 05:45
DaemonFCyes it didSep 23 05:45
DaemonFCand they built in their own Java VMSep 23 05:45
DaemonFCwhich took forever and a day to startSep 23 05:45
Diablo-D3cubezzz: if you want to ban DaemonFC, go aheadSep 23 05:45
DaemonFC"Starting Java....." 10 days later, the applet may loadSep 23 05:45
DaemonFCor act like it was going to, then crashSep 23 05:45
DaemonFCit had primitive CSS abilities even by the standards of the late 90sSep 23 05:46
DaemonFCit only had support for the very most basic elements of CSS Level 1 and it had to convert them internally to Javascript Style Sheets, cause Netscape backed the wrong horse initiallySep 23 05:47
Diablo-D3actually, I should just put DaemonFC on ignoreSep 23 05:47
DaemonFCthen implemented a JSS<>CSS converterSep 23 05:47
DaemonFCthey figured that like everything else, they could just introduce their own nonstandardSep 23 05:47
DaemonFCthen nobody ended up going along with that particular oneSep 23 05:47
DaemonFCthey pretty much were the Microsoft of the internet back thenSep 23 05:48
DaemonFCworse evenSep 23 05:48
DaemonFCIE had better web standards (W3C) support than Netscape 4.xSep 23 05:48
DaemonFCand that's saying something about the sad, incompatible state of the web then and the two companies that were more interested in obliterating each other than what 8 kinds of hell they dragged their users throughSep 23 05:49
DaemonFCso I agree with Torvalds entirely that Netscape 4.x was an unusable pile of shit, and at the time that didn't leave you any other Linux browsers that had a snowball's chance in hell of rendering a common web pageSep 23 05:51
DaemonFCwell, unless you wanted to register OperaSep 23 05:51
*twitter ignores Diablos and Deamons.Sep 23 06:05
DaemonFCnot really, but you can pretend againSep 23 06:12
DaemonFCtil you slip up and start replying to me againSep 23 06:12
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/more-comcast-kerfuffle-the-return-of-the-dns-hijacker-random-dropped-connections-no-hd-channels/Sep 23 06:12
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cubezzzI seem to remember using Netscape 2.0Sep 23 07:12
DaemonFCcubezzz, Netscape 4 was where it all went wrong for themSep 23 07:12
DaemonFCthe thing was a monster, full of bugs and memory leaks and bloatSep 23 07:13
DaemonFCproprietary extensions that Netscape tried to push instead of standardsSep 23 07:13
DaemonFCup to that point they had a fewSep 23 07:14
cubezzzsaw the Next at Waterloo in 1989 and I don't think they were browsing the net yetSep 23 07:15
cubezzzthere was gopher, wais, and ftp and the likeSep 23 07:15
DaemonFCgopher isn't even really around anymoreSep 23 07:16
DaemonFCthe protocol was removed from IE entirelySep 23 07:16
DaemonFCFirefox will be scrapping it soonSep 23 07:17
cubezzzthen Viola for X, and ummmm Mosaic I thinkSep 23 07:17
DaemonFCit's pretty much seen as old dead code that bloats things and may have a security bug or threeSep 23 07:17
DaemonFCso scrapping it is probably the best thingSep 23 07:18
cubezzzDaemonFC, lynx still supports gopherSep 23 07:19
DaemonFCdoesn't surprise meSep 23 07:19
cubezzzreally all the good stuff came from academiaSep 23 07:19
DaemonFCI haven't actually seen anyone use LynxSep 23 07:19
DaemonFCit's amusing for all of 5 minutesSep 23 07:19
DaemonFCthen you go back to a real browserSep 23 07:19
cubezzzI use it on embedixSep 23 07:20
DaemonFCthe web browser is more or less an operating system of itself anymoreSep 23 07:20
cubezzzViola was very very ahead of it's timeSep 23 07:22
cubezzzit had something close to css back in 1992Sep 23 07:22
DaemonFCLinux may just become a vessel upon which you primarily run obfuscated web appsSep 23 07:22
DaemonFCand they used Linux because it didn't cost the manufacturer anything to slap on thereSep 23 07:23
cubezzzwell that should be avoided of courseSep 23 07:24
DaemonFCit probably won'tSep 23 07:24
DaemonFCit wouldn't bother Torvalds at all because he's reasonableSep 23 07:24
cubezzzthat's one of the reasons I'm looking at gnash, to de-obfuscate flashSep 23 07:24
DaemonFCit would have RMS not knowing whether to shit or wind his wrist watch thoughSep 23 07:25
cubezzzI don't think RMS uses the web muchSep 23 07:25
cubezzzbut I agree, "The Web" has been crudded up with junkSep 23 07:26
DaemonFCit's not necessarily junkSep 23 07:26
DaemonFCGoogle Docs for example lets you run a powerful office suite on little netbooks and suchSep 23 07:27
cubezzzwhen the net was just text, it had a certain elegance to itSep 23 07:27
DaemonFCstuff that couldn't handle some big bloated office suite that handles like a tankSep 23 07:27
cubezzzgoogle has some good stuff, there's no doubt about itSep 23 07:28
DaemonFCthe only way I would have a problem with something like Google Docs would be if I couldn't have a copy of the document I wrote or if it used some kind of proprietary format that only it understandsSep 23 07:28
DaemonFCnothing stops you from editing a document with Google Docs and then using it in OpenOffice or something laterSep 23 07:28
DaemonFCGoogle Docs existence is not threatening open source softwareSep 23 07:29
DaemonFCit's co-existing peacefullySep 23 07:29
cubezzzI don't use Google Docs, but I'm not against it eitherSep 23 07:29
DaemonFCinstead of ranting about Google Docs, RMS should focus his efforts on Microsoft OfficeSep 23 07:30
DaemonFCbecause there's something that refuses to peacefully coexistSep 23 07:30
DaemonFCby just shouting that the sky is falling every time a new class of software is invented, RMS undermines himselfSep 23 07:30
DaemonFCit's all he is doingSep 23 07:31
DaemonFCif it comes to free and open source software -or- free and open standards, I'd rather have the free and open standardsSep 23 07:31
DaemonFCI don't see anything unethical about the Opera browser jsut because it's closed sourceSep 23 07:32
cubezzzI got qsopcast from google and it worked pretty goodSep 23 07:32
cubezzzsource code tooSep 23 07:32
DaemonFCit's implementing the same open standards that other browsers useSep 23 07:32
DaemonFCbitching about a web browser is fairly pointless in any case other than IESep 23 07:32
DaemonFCbecause they are like cars that use the same roadsSep 23 07:33
DaemonFCIE has always tried to make new roads that only IE can useSep 23 07:33
DaemonFCjust like other Microsoft productsSep 23 07:33
DaemonFCsubverting open standards is far worse than just using a closed source app with open standardsSep 23 07:33
DaemonFCthe fact that Opera relies on open standards as much as Mozilla, Google, or Apple keeps them honestSep 23 07:34
DaemonFCif Opera did something stupid or evil, everyone would just go find a different browserSep 23 07:35
DaemonFCeasy as thatSep 23 07:35
DaemonFCopen standards foster honest competition, Microsoft doesn't like that so they throw their weight around and create new formats and protocolsSep 23 07:36
DaemonFCin some ways, Apple is like that, but they're not as badSep 23 07:39
DaemonFCwhen I see an Internet Explorer, MS Office, or Windows Media type program roll out of Apple that won't work with anything else, that's when they'll be a serious threatSep 23 07:43
MinceRso hardware-based lock-in doesn't concern you at all?Sep 23 07:52
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DaemonFCMinceR, NoSep 23 08:00
DaemonFCand it shouldn'tSep 23 08:00
DaemonFCthe x86 PC is a pretty open platformSep 23 08:01
DaemonFCplenty of competitionSep 23 08:01
DaemonFCARM would scare me a lot moreSep 23 08:01
cubezzzI cross-compile for arm quite oftenSep 23 08:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Olympiad 2009 Announced, Now Accepting Submissions http://bit.ly/F0R5dSep 23 08:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Odd that pretty much the only post S/W Freedom Day discussion on their mailing list is about washing the T-Shirts. http://bit.ly/1awb0RSep 23 08:21
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft and “Corporate Politics” http://bit.ly/T8mrwSep 23 08:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Accused of “Bribing” #Apple staff http://bit.ly/3b19GeSep 23 08:52
DaemonFChttp://lucky13linux.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/new-zero-day-linux-kernel/Sep 23 08:58
DaemonFCinteresting takeSep 23 08:58
DaemonFC"He told The Register he published the exploit after it became clear Linus Torvalds and other developers responsible for the Linux kernel didn’t regard the bug as a security risk."Sep 23 08:58
DaemonFCit's not just an isolated incident eitherSep 23 08:59
DaemonFCsetuid has caused other security problemsSep 23 08:59
DaemonFClikely will cause many moreSep 23 08:59
DaemonFCthat's actually kind of funny that instead of fixing the problem, Torvalds bitched about it being publicized after he had more time than he even needed to fix itSep 23 09:00
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://lucky13linux.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/separation-of-church-and-software/Sep 23 09:06
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DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27941/1090/Sep 23 09:13
DaemonFCCodePlex Foundation will help spread use of MonoSep 23 09:13
DaemonFChehSep 23 09:13
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schestowitzOf courseSep 23 09:21
Diablo-D3codeplex kinda sucks thoughSep 23 09:23
Diablo-D3anyone test it out?Sep 23 09:23
Diablo-D3its like sourceforge done wrongSep 23 09:23
cubezzzok, lucky13 is comparing nuns to tycoonsSep 23 09:26
cubezzz:-PSep 23 09:26
Diablo-D3both think they are doing the work of code and have sex with priests?Sep 23 09:30
Diablo-D3s/code/god/ # wtf diabloSep 23 09:30
cubezzzthat's better, got timezone stuff working in embedixSep 23 09:34
cubezzzI don't really care for blogs that are all opinion pieces with no tech infoSep 23 09:34
Diablo-D3>blogSep 23 09:35
Diablo-D3>opinion piecesSep 23 09:35
Diablo-D3wutSep 23 09:35
cubezzzDiablo-D3, did you read the lucky13 blog?Sep 23 09:36
Diablo-D3noSep 23 09:36
Diablo-D3woah, UCE has a profanity filter in firefox by default?Sep 23 09:37
Diablo-D3fuck themSep 23 09:37
DaemonFCmmhmSep 23 09:37
Diablo-D3in fact, I wonder if ubuntu can sue them to force them to remove the ubuntu nameSep 23 09:37
DaemonFCthey probably don't have the ballsSep 23 09:38
Diablo-D3I would if I was them, associating ubuntu with a particular religion damages ubuntu's reputationSep 23 09:38
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: we need more people with ballsSep 23 09:38
Diablo-D3they could hire me, I have huge ballsSep 23 09:38
Diablo-D3need someone to piss off? Ill tell em to piss offSep 23 09:38
DaemonFCUbuntu is ridiculousSep 23 09:38
Diablo-D3example: DaemonFC piss offSep 23 09:38
DaemonFCI've given up trying to make sense of themSep 23 09:38
Diablo-D3see? Im good at itSep 23 09:38
cubezzzlolSep 23 09:38
cubezzzok, I got to say this tap water is really grossSep 23 09:39
DaemonFCthey did threaten Ubuntu Satanic Edition with a lawsuitSep 23 09:39
DaemonFCand that was just a few wallpapers and suchSep 23 09:39
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: they havent gone after Jewbuntu yet thoughSep 23 09:39
cubezzzwhat the heck, satanic edition? :)Sep 23 09:39
DaemonFCthey won't do anything about Ubuntu Sieg Heil! Edition thoughSep 23 09:40
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yeah, it was a joke distro that came up because of CESep 23 09:40
DaemonFCerrr, Christian EditionSep 23 09:40
cubezzzStallman told us to drink tap water but it's not very good, ughSep 23 09:40
Diablo-D3tap water is actually pretty goodSep 23 09:41
DaemonFCI think he's drunk on himselfSep 23 09:41
Diablo-D3it has far less contaminants than bottled waterSep 23 09:41
DaemonFCthat's my opinionSep 23 09:41
cubezzzhmmmSep 23 09:41
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Diablo-D3but I suggest you get a britta water pitcher (not the on tap ones)Sep 23 09:41
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Diablo-D3the thing with bottled water is they take out anything that effects taste or smellSep 23 09:41
Diablo-D3but they leave in dangerously high amounts of over thingsSep 23 09:42
cubezzzDiablo-D3, yeah I use the Britta, and it still tastes kind of strangeSep 23 09:42
Diablo-D3and water bottled eventually grows germsSep 23 09:42
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Diablo-D3cubezzz: well, pure water _does_ taste strangeSep 23 09:42
DaemonFChmmm, that was weirdSep 23 09:42
Diablo-D3cubezzz: humans expect "natural" water, which is subtly sweet/saltySep 23 09:42
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, those water filters are bullshitSep 23 09:42
cubezzzis bottled water fluoridated?Sep 23 09:43
DaemonFCthe clean water act mandates safe drinking water anywaySep 23 09:43
Diablo-D3cubezzz: noSep 23 09:43
Diablo-D3cubezzz: and the flouridation is technically dangerous anyhowSep 23 09:43
DaemonFCthe only thing those filters get rid of is stuff like iron and calcium and suchSep 23 09:43
DaemonFCstuff that actually benefits ouSep 23 09:43
DaemonFC*youSep 23 09:44
DaemonFCthe fluoride is not dangerousSep 23 09:44
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: it actually takes out pretty much most particulate matterSep 23 09:44
DaemonFCstrengthens your teethSep 23 09:44
Diablo-D3flouride is extremely dangerous, DaemonFCSep 23 09:44
DaemonFCnot in the tiny amount they useSep 23 09:44
DaemonFCit's not like it builds upSep 23 09:44
Diablo-D3humans should never be exposed to itSep 23 09:44
cubezzzI don't mind it as much mixed with something else like concentrated orange juiceSep 23 09:44
Diablo-D3thankfully it naturally escapes as a gasSep 23 09:45
DaemonFConly a few crackpots would argue against fluoridated waterSep 23 09:45
Diablo-D3leave it in a jug in your fridge for a couple days and it naturally excapesSep 23 09:45
Diablo-D3cubezzz: +q DaemonFC.Sep 23 09:45
DaemonFCI'd rather keep my teeth, thank youSep 23 09:45
cubezzzsome folks tell me to drink distilled waterSep 23 09:45
DaemonFClet yours rot out if you wantSep 23 09:45
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: you get enough flouride from your toothpasteSep 23 09:46
Diablo-D3cubezzz: distilled water isn't really useful for humansSep 23 09:46
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation#EffectivenessSep 23 09:46
DaemonFCFluoride has contributed to the dental health of children and adults worldwide.[2] Water fluoridation has been listed as one of the ten great public health achievements of the 20th century in the U.S.,[46] alongside vaccination, family planning, recognition of the dangers of smoking, and other achievements.[15]Sep 23 09:46
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: yes, and we live in the USSep 23 09:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] My Acer Aspire Revo is locking up hard. Ran memtest on it overnight and it seems okay. Dunno what to do next.Sep 23 09:47
DaemonFCThere is no clear association between fluoridation and cancer or deaths due to cancer, both for cancer in general and also specifically for bone cancer and osteosarcoma.[10] Other adverse effects lack sufficient evidence to reach a confident conclusion.[12] Fear that water is fluoridated may have a psychological effect with a large variety of symptoms, regardless of whether the water is actually fluoridated.[1]Sep 23 09:48
DaemonFCin other words, people who worry about fluoride in the water are hypochondriacsSep 23 09:48
cubezzzDiablo-D3, some of these blogs I'm seeing are almost anti-FOSS or say open and sourced source are the sameSep 23 09:49
*Diablo-D3 just adds DaemonFC to ignoreSep 23 09:49
cubezzzopen and closedSep 23 09:50
DaemonFCcubezzz, Not all FOSS programs are good or appropriate for all usersSep 23 09:50
Diablo-D3cubezzz: they are the same, in a senseSep 23 09:50
DaemonFCnot every closed source program is evil or unethicalSep 23 09:50
Diablo-D3they do things, and people work on them.Sep 23 09:50
Diablo-D3the large problem is FOSS has turned into some sort of religion, which I really don't likeSep 23 09:50
Diablo-D3FOSS is a form of scientific study, not religionSep 23 09:51
DaemonFCopen source programs tend to stall out once they achieve the features that the handful of maintainers wantedSep 23 09:51
DaemonFCso if they work for you that's great, if they don', you still may need to buy more comprehensive softwareSep 23 09:51
MinceRor you can hire someone to implement themSep 23 09:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: you missed the pointSep 23 09:52
MinceRor if they're really useful or interesting, you could prod the original maintainers to add themSep 23 09:52
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MinceRor you could implement them yourselfSep 23 09:52
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DaemonFCschestowitz mentioned movie studios using Linux for video editingSep 23 09:52
Diablo-D3I know the church of gnucitis or whatever it is is a jokeSep 23 09:52
DaemonFCthey use expensive customized software that most people can't even getSep 23 09:52
Diablo-D3but even RMS takes this shit too seriouslySep 23 09:52
DaemonFCand these are the same companies that sue file sharersSep 23 09:52
DaemonFCit's not cause they care about "freedom"Sep 23 09:53
Diablo-D3the only thing that should be taken seriously is the study of if FOSS does infact produce better softwareSep 23 09:53
Diablo-D3and I'm not entirely convinced of itSep 23 09:53
Diablo-D3its just merely a tradeoff.Sep 23 09:53
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, In some cases it doesSep 23 09:53
MinceRDiablo-D3: lurk moar. it's called Church of EmacsSep 23 09:53
_goblinI think in certain areas (serious gaming) we will never have a foss model...Sep 23 09:53
Diablo-D3oh right, saint ignuciusSep 23 09:53
DaemonFCit does produce better software at least as often as it fails toSep 23 09:53
DaemonFCso I guess it balances outSep 23 09:53
Diablo-D3_goblin: not trueSep 23 09:53
cubezzzDiablo-D3, I like FOSS because I can port stuff to new platformsSep 23 09:53
Diablo-D3the problem is we don't have the right developersSep 23 09:53
Diablo-D3we have no content creators who will do it for freeSep 23 09:54
_goblinok....diablo tell me how you would get a return on a product like GTA?Sep 23 09:54
_goblinif it was FOSSSep 23 09:54
DaemonFCnobody would do that as FOSSSep 23 09:54
Diablo-D3you dont, but how do you get a return on a product like FOSS?Sep 23 09:54
_goblinkeeping in mind the millions it cost to develop.Sep 23 09:54
Diablo-D3FOSS cost millions to develop as wellSep 23 09:54
cubezzzwell, there's the paypal donate button :)Sep 23 09:54
DaemonFCthere's only a handful of FOSS games and they range from horrible (most of them) to decentSep 23 09:54
_goblindon't be silly.. diablo...you know what I mean.Sep 23 09:55
DaemonFCnothing commercial-grade thoughSep 23 09:55
Diablo-D3Im not being sillySep 23 09:55
Diablo-D3its actually the truthSep 23 09:55
_goblincome on then, tell us how you would get a return on GTA if it was released under the GPL?Sep 23 09:55
Diablo-D3people just need to understand that the game development mentality itself is wrong.Sep 23 09:55
cubezzzold games could be open sourced thoughSep 23 09:55
cubezzzno reason why notSep 23 09:55
Diablo-D3GTA was developed wrong.Sep 23 09:55
MinceR105527 < _goblin> I think in certain areas (serious gaming) we will never have a foss model...Sep 23 09:55
MinceRthere are foss gamesSep 23 09:55
Diablo-D3there are many foss gamesSep 23 09:55
Diablo-D3in fact the only game I play anymore is nexuizSep 23 09:56
DaemonFCand how many good ones?Sep 23 09:56
DaemonFCa fewSep 23 09:56
MinceRalso, a model where code is FLOSS and content is proprietary could workSep 23 09:56
_goblinMincer: I am meaning licenced titles that cost millions to make...GTA COD etcSep 23 09:56
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes, I'm very interested in that model.Sep 23 09:56
MinceRDaemonFC: so what's your point?Sep 23 09:56
Diablo-D3_goblin: it took millions of hard currency because it was developed in 9 monthsSep 23 09:56
_goblinso answer the question....how would it be done?Sep 23 09:56
Diablo-D3linux has largely survived on soft currency because it took 10 years.Sep 23 09:56
MinceR_goblin: slowly.Sep 23 09:56
Diablo-D3even games can be done, but we don't have the right peopleSep 23 09:57
DaemonFCwell, demanding that everyone throw down software that works and use software with major implementation gaps and entire unrepresented categories is a stretchSep 23 09:57
Diablo-D3we can't entice those who we want to work for usSep 23 09:57
_goblinexplain.#Sep 23 09:57
MinceR_goblin: also, without stupid tradeoffs that only serve a tight deadline.Sep 23 09:57
MinceR:>Sep 23 09:57
Diablo-D3we dont have artists, musicians, or whatever who are worth a damnSep 23 09:57
_goblinRomeo Knight?Sep 23 09:57
Diablo-D3all we have is coders.Sep 23 09:57
MinceR_goblin: we do have the right people. consider FLOSS games and free add-onsSep 23 09:57
_goblinMincer: I agree, but how would you get the return on GTA for example?Sep 23 09:58
cubezzzI wanted to make new trains for RT2, but could never figure out the data formatSep 23 09:58
_goblinpeople want GTA, developers make it....Sep 23 09:58
MinceR_goblin: by having fun playing the came i took part in developing?Sep 23 09:58
MinceRs/ca/ga/Sep 23 09:58
MinceRalso, the same engine can be used for a lot of gamesSep 23 09:58
_goblinwhilst Alien Arena is great, its not COD (for example)Sep 23 09:58
MinceRneither is CoD Alien Arena. :>Sep 23 09:59
cubezzzany can do anything nowSep 23 09:59
cubezzzanyoneSep 23 09:59
_goblinlike I say diablo, you can blame devs, you can blame customers, but you still havent answered how GTA would make a return released under the GPL.....Sep 23 09:59
MinceR_goblin: games don't have to be made for profit.Sep 23 10:00
MinceRthe whole point is having fun.Sep 23 10:00
cubezzzpeople do program for funSep 23 10:00
_goblinVery true Mincer, but do you think we would have ever seen the GTA franchise if they wernt?Sep 23 10:00
cubezzzthey like figuring out thingsSep 23 10:00
_goblinand the example of that would be found in the demoscene...Sep 23 10:01
_goblinnot gaming.....Sep 23 10:01
MinceR_goblin: i don't knowSep 23 10:01
_goblinthats why we get 4k demo comps....Sep 23 10:01
MinceR_goblin: probably.Sep 23 10:01
MinceR4k intro comps, that is :>Sep 23 10:01
cubezzz4k as in 4 kilobytes?Sep 23 10:01
_goblinyepSep 23 10:01
cubezzzcrazy :)Sep 23 10:01
_goblinlet me link you 1 or 2.Sep 23 10:02
cubezzzmy vic-20 programming days are over :)Sep 23 10:02
cubezzzwell, I spent 5 years trying to program hp 4470c (finally succeeded this year) so I can relateSep 23 10:03
_goblincubezzz: this aint vic20 standards...Sep 23 10:03
_goblinhttp://awards.scene.org/nominees.php?cat=10Sep 23 10:04
cubezzzsome of this stuff is over 200 megsSep 23 10:06
_goblincheck out the 4k comps...Sep 23 10:07
_goblinI think many are wine compliant.Sep 23 10:07
DaemonFCgame developers could easily support Linux nativelySep 23 10:07
cubezzz1280x720, I can't play thatSep 23 10:07
DaemonFCanything that uses an id engine could be ported to Linux in a day or soSep 23 10:08
cubezzzDaemonFC, yeah that's what LGP doesSep 23 10:08
DaemonFCcubezzz, I won't buy from themSep 23 10:08
_goblina great example when you said "they like figuring things out" would be "Pimp my Spectrum"Sep 23 10:08
DaemonFCdraconian DRMSep 23 10:08
DaemonFCusing Linux just to buy software that requires activation and reactivation every 2 weeks is kind of stupidSep 23 10:09
DaemonFCyou could get that kind of treatment easily on WindowsSep 23 10:09
MinceRthey used to be nicerSep 23 10:10
MinceRtheir old releases are free of DRMSep 23 10:10
DaemonFCused to beSep 23 10:10
cubezzzwell, it's not up to me :)Sep 23 10:10
MinceRhopefully they'll get a clueSep 23 10:10
DaemonFCyeah, this all went down within the last year, MinceRSep 23 10:10
MinceRi knowSep 23 10:10
_goblinmuch as I'd love to see the IT world embrace FOSS completely, I think being realistic you have two area's where proprietary will remain, one would be gaming as I said and the other custom apps for enterprise...Sep 23 10:11
MinceRalso, someone else could pick up where old LGP left offSep 23 10:11
DaemonFCI'd rather see someone crack their DRMSep 23 10:11
DaemonFCI don't care if it's legal, it's the right thing to doSep 23 10:11
DaemonFCit's not paying for it that scares me awaySep 23 10:12
DaemonFCit's paying for something that keeps me on a leash like thatSep 23 10:12
DaemonFConce I buy a program, it shouldn't have the right to just arbitrarily decide to quit workingSep 23 10:13
DaemonFCand what happens when they go out of business and the game can't reactivate?Sep 23 10:13
DaemonFCthey promised to release a patch that disables the DRM in that case, but there's nothing legally binding which would make them fulfill the promiseSep 23 10:13
MinceRi'm against the idea of paying for DRM-addled stuffSep 23 10:14
cubezzzDaemonFC, talk to the boss :)Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCso I happen to believe they'll just let all their customers take a bathSep 23 10:14
MinceRbut you're right, we need cracks for that to workSep 23 10:14
DaemonFCit's the same mentality as Windows game companiesSep 23 10:14
MinceRi haven't seen their DRM-ed stuff closely so i can't say if it's easy to breakSep 23 10:15
DaemonFCwhy give you a patch to make it work on the new Windows when they made all the money they're ever going to off it already?Sep 23 10:15
cubezzza lot of people were pirating...Sep 23 10:15
MinceRit can probably be made to workSep 23 10:15
MinceRcubezzz: that's no excuse for DRMSep 23 10:15
MinceRnever was, never will beSep 23 10:15
MinceRDRM doesn't even keep people from piratingSep 23 10:15
MinceRit only ever really screws paying customersSep 23 10:16
DaemonFCcompany releases software, software gets pirated, company tries DRMing the software, pirates crack DRM, DRM screws over paying customers who quit buying your DRM'd software in disgustSep 23 10:16
DaemonFCthat's how DRM worksSep 23 10:16
DaemonFCthese companies just don't get itSep 23 10:17
DaemonFCthey've made the non-DRM'd free pirate version so much more pleasant to deal with that people will go use thatSep 23 10:17
DaemonFCDRM is the best way to take half of something and turn it into all of nothingSep 23 10:18
cubezzzok, I just want to say I have nothing to do with DRM at lgp, you can go to #lgp and talk to the boss thereSep 23 10:19
DaemonFCthere's ways to make the paid version more attractive without implementing DRMSep 23 10:19
cubezzzno point bickering about it hereSep 23 10:20
DaemonFCcubezzz, I avoid DRM like the plagueSep 23 10:20
MinceRi'd be surprised if nobody told them how stupid this idea is alreadySep 23 10:21
DaemonFCbringing DRM to Linux is not how you make friends and influence peopleSep 23 10:21
cubezzzsure, lots of people did on the lgp blogSep 23 10:21
MinceRso they didn't listen to reason, did they?Sep 23 10:21
DaemonFCof course they didn'tSep 23 10:21
DaemonFCthey deserve to go bankruptSep 23 10:21
DaemonFCright alongside EASep 23 10:22
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cubezzzwhat can I say? :)Sep 23 10:22
DaemonFCI avoid Sony like the plague tooSep 23 10:22
MinceRoh, it's a mutexSep 23 10:22
cubezzzI remove drm from audio and video I buySep 23 10:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Crowd Uses #comScore Numbers to Lie Again http://ping.fm/QgdDISep 23 10:22
DaemonFCSecuROM and fake CDsSep 23 10:22
DaemonFCcubezzz, none of my music ever has DRM to start withSep 23 10:23
DaemonFCpeople that actually paid CD prices for DRM-crippled lossy iTunes files should be kicked in the nutsSep 23 10:23
cubezzzI'm about to learn about tunecore's distribution model tomorrowSep 23 10:25
cubezzzfor on-line music, so it should be interestingSep 23 10:25
DaemonFCcubezzz, To be honest, they'd probably kick me out of that room in about 3 secondsSep 23 10:26
DaemonFCI don't have anything polite to say about LGPSep 23 10:26
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schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/madoff-scheme-leads-to-new-sec-division/?cs=36019Sep 23 10:28
schestowitzThe other day I saw Bernard referred to as "madolf"Sep 23 10:29
schestowitzEU in 'Exploratory Talks' with Microsoft, Yahoo < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/eu-in-exploratory-talks-with-microsoft-yahoo/?cs=35851 >Sep 23 10:30
schestowitz"Apparently, security executives hate Twitter." http://www.itworld.com/security/77890/will-security-execs-squash-twitterSep 23 10:30
schestowitzThey could pick on any site that's big. Wikipedia is also a target for FUD.Sep 23 10:30
DaemonFCschestowitz, Twitter has been more of a vessel for all the bad guys of the world than anything elseSep 23 10:31
schestowitzAPIs and allSep 23 10:31
DaemonFCI don't understand the Republican Party's obsession with Twitter, or Microsoft'sSep 23 10:31
schestowitzAnd that "mafia" thingSep 23 10:31
schestowitzThe Republicans leveraged it too? I hadn't noticedSep 23 10:32
DaemonFCyeahSep 23 10:32
schestowitzHehSep 23 10:32
schestowitzThey did in DiggSep 23 10:32
schestowitzAll sort of nutter comments ahead of 08 electionsSep 23 10:32
schestowitzThe Ron Paul fans can also be a nuisanceSep 23 10:32
DaemonFCthe Republicans are finishedSep 23 10:32
DaemonFCat least as far ahead as I can seeSep 23 10:33
schestowitzJust PR? -> Google Launches Climate Change Platform With Denmark < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/22/google-launches-climate-change-platform-with-denmark >Sep 23 10:33
DaemonFCthey'll be back I'm sure, but not before 2016Sep 23 10:33
DaemonFCwith any luck at all we'll be rid of them for at least 8 good yearsSep 23 10:33
schestowitzIf Obamabiden carry on betraying the public, you may be wrongSep 23 10:33
schestowitzWith the sagging economy, people will want change againSep 23 10:34
schestowitzThey will also lean to radicalism and what better radicalism would you find other than Republicans?Sep 23 10:34
DaemonFCthe Republicans are so rotten to the core that I don't think Obama could screw up badly enough to lose the 2012 electionSep 23 10:34
DaemonFChe'd really have to try to be worse than BushSep 23 10:34
schestowitzWas Bush really voted worst ever?Sep 23 10:34
schestowitzSome polls said "yes"Sep 23 10:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, signs point to yes :)Sep 23 10:35
DaemonFCI never voted for himSep 23 10:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, Welcome to US politicsSep 23 10:35
schestowitzhttp://www.ysearchblog.com/2009/09/22/welcome-to-the-new-yahoo-search/Sep 23 10:36
DaemonFCre: Ron PaulSep 23 10:36
schestowitzit's purpleSep 23 10:36
DaemonFCfringe parties and fringe candidates never winSep 23 10:36
DaemonFCthey jsut hurt the major party who is closest to themSep 23 10:36
cubezzzprobably Nixon was worse, a tough call that one :)Sep 23 10:36
DaemonFCexample would be the Libertarians and the "Constitution Party" (religion masquerading as a political party)Sep 23 10:36
DaemonFCsiphoned over 1.5 million votes from John McCain's ticketSep 23 10:36
schestowitzWelcome to duocracySep 23 10:37
DaemonFCin Indiana's case, Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and the string of other far right nincompoops torpedoed the McCain ticketSep 23 10:37
cubezzzwe don't have duocracySep 23 10:37
DaemonFCObama won Indiana because of those peopleSep 23 10:37
schestowitzNot only are you limited to one vote among many (Rule of the majority) but you are also given just two similar choicesSep 23 10:37
cubezzzwe got tons of partiesSep 23 10:37
DaemonFCoh, and Bob BarrSep 23 10:38
schestowitzcubezzz: how well distributed?Sep 23 10:38
DaemonFCObama got Indiana by ~29,000 votesSep 23 10:38
cubezzzI'll start the FOSS party and get 0.001% of the vote :)Sep 23 10:38
schestowitz45%,45%, 5%, 1%... is not too goodSep 23 10:38
DaemonFCBob Barr got more than that just by himselfSep 23 10:38
schestowitzcubezzz: Pirate Parties are a bit like that. We have one in the UK now.Sep 23 10:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, It would be hilarious if we got a Pirate Party candidate in the Senate or somethingSep 23 10:39
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cubezzzschestowitz, here's the latest poll numbers:Sep 23 10:40
cubezzzTories with 35.1 per cent support, followed by the Liberals with 29.9 per cent. The New Democratic Party followed with 16.5 per cent, the Bloc Quebecois with 9.6 per cent and the Green Party with 9 per cent.Sep 23 10:40
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/terrorist_haven.htmlSep 23 10:40
cubezzzI voted for the greens and they got zero seatsSep 23 10:40
schestowitzGreen Party?Sep 23 10:40
schestowitzWith 9%... no seats?Sep 23 10:40
DaemonFCschestowitz, I did a bunch of door to door stuff with the Democrats last yearSep 23 10:40
schestowitzGermany has Pirate Party MP in parliamentSep 23 10:40
DaemonFCI expected to get the doors slammed in my face, cussed out, etc.Sep 23 10:40
DaemonFCbut most people were actually pretty reasonableSep 23 10:41
DaemonFCI only had one or two explode on me or slam the doorSep 23 10:41
schestowitzFree slavery for DemsSep 23 10:41
schestowitzDon't they have enough budget from lobbyists and corps?Sep 23 10:41
DaemonFCmeh, it was still funSep 23 10:42
schestowitzIt reminds me of Apple fans ans blogs!Sep 23 10:42
schestowitzStupid people sometimes.Sep 23 10:42
schestowitzApple spends billions on marketingSep 23 10:42
schestowitzAnd these people /volunteer/ to make Jobs richerSep 23 10:42
DaemonFC<-----Yellow Dog DemocratSep 23 10:42
cubezzzschestowitz, On August 30, 2008, independent MP Blair Wilson joined the Green Party and became its first Member of Parliament. He was defeated in the 2008 federal electionSep 23 10:43
cubezzzdoh!Sep 23 10:43
DaemonFCI've always voted a straight ballot in favor of the DemocratsSep 23 10:44
DaemonFCnever voted for a Republican in my life, never willSep 23 10:44
schestowitzHDI board supply may be tight in 2010 on strong smartphone demand, says Unitech exec < http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090923PD213.html > <<-- carcinogensSep 23 10:44
DaemonFCschestowitz, the number of political parties isn't really importantSep 23 10:44
DaemonFCthey should disband them allSep 23 10:44
schestowitzThe parties or their subsidiaries?Sep 23 10:45
schestowitzAs in Exxon and others?Sep 23 10:45
DaemonFCschestowitz, well, outlawing corporate campaign sponsorship would be a good startSep 23 10:46
schestowitzThe tyrannical component is still not the political partiesSep 23 10:46
DaemonFCbut parties in general are a bad thingSep 23 10:46
schestowitzVista 7 parties.......Sep 23 10:46
schestowitzBring your clown hat.... no wait.... Microsoft will pay for it and post it to you.Sep 23 10:46
schestowitzNo balloons in EuropeSep 23 10:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, 17 year old was chosen as one of the party hostsSep 23 10:47
DaemonFChis screen name was "Puppet"Sep 23 10:47
schestowitzhttp://article.wn.com/view/2009/09/08/Microsoft_pulls_Windows_7_balloons_from_Euro_launch_parties/Sep 23 10:47
DaemonFCappropriate I guessSep 23 10:47
schestowitzPuppet only runs on Unix systemsSep 23 10:48
schestowitzAFAIKSep 23 10:48
schestowitzhttp://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhosUsingPuppetSep 23 10:48
DaemonFCI've thought about applying at that Microsoft store that they're opening up in Ft WayneSep 23 10:49
DaemonFChaving standards is one thing but I still need to have moneySep 23 10:49
schestowitzSamsung releases touchscreen driven chip http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1546921/samsung-releases-touchscreen-driven-chipSep 23 10:49
schestowitzStandards? You? You're a Windows fanSep 23 10:50
DaemonFCI'm wondering what kind of salaries they would pay for managementSep 23 10:50
DaemonFCfan? noSep 23 10:51
DaemonFCuse it? yesSep 23 10:51
schestowitzWhere is Melissa Gonzales/whatever? http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/more-comcast-kerfuffle-the-return-of-the-dns-hijacker-random-dropped-connections-no-hd-channels/Sep 23 10:51
schestowitzMay the PR spies no longer love this blog.Sep 23 10:51
DaemonFCwho knowsSep 23 10:51
schestowitz0 commentsSep 23 10:51
DaemonFCschestowitz, It took them about a day last timeSep 23 10:52
DaemonFCI keep saying I don't like Comcast, and I mean itSep 23 10:52
schestowitz"Critical blogs: 4533; assigned (54); pending (1: ? http://izanbardprince )"Sep 23 10:52
DaemonFCthe only other choice is AT&TSep 23 10:52
schestowitzMaybe it can't be targeted with automated reply yetSep 23 10:53
schestowitzThey need to manually do a rebuttal, i.e. use an actual humanSep 23 10:53
DaemonFCshhhhSep 23 10:53
DaemonFCyou're going to give them ideasSep 23 10:53
DaemonFC:)Sep 23 10:53
Diablo-D3http://zip.4chan.org/g/res/5923114.html#5928062Sep 23 10:53
Diablo-D3oh god, this thread on /g/Sep 23 10:53
DaemonFClmaoSep 23 10:54
schestowitzTexas Instruments aims lawyers at calculator hackers http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/texas_instruments_calculator_hacking/Sep 23 10:54
DaemonFCthat's so awesomeSep 23 10:54
schestowitz*LOL* RMS on 4chanSep 23 10:55
DaemonFCschestowitz, Let's just hope he doesn't start scanning in images of his ass and posting them in /b/Sep 23 10:55
DaemonFCoh wait, he uses UtutoSep 23 10:55
DaemonFCdoes that support scanners?Sep 23 10:55
DaemonFC:DSep 23 10:55
schestowitzHe doesn't use it anymoreSep 23 10:56
schestowitzI thinkSep 23 10:56
cubezzzgood ol' tubby stallman :)Sep 23 10:57
schestowitzArgentine distro... still making releaseSep 23 10:57
DaemonFCwell, I don't see what good an OS is without any hardware supportSep 23 10:58
schestowitzIf Stallman shaved, got a haircut and lost a few stones he would not be recognisableSep 23 10:58
DaemonFChe's further off the deep end than 99% of Linux users would ever think of beingSep 23 10:58
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/richard-stallman-young.pngSep 23 10:58
DaemonFCgod damnSep 23 10:59
DaemonFCwhat the hell happened!?Sep 23 10:59
DaemonFClolSep 23 10:59
cubezzzwhoaSep 23 10:59
Diablo-D3yarlySep 23 11:00
trmancohttp://blog.ricodigo.com/2009/09/21/authors/Patrick/shapado-a-foss-replacement-for-stackoverflowSep 23 11:01
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/swedish_military_bras/Sep 23 11:02
DaemonFCactually, I've worked myself into a scenario where I use mostly Windows 7 on my desktop and mostly Kubuntu on my laptopSep 23 11:03
DaemonFCI'm not exactly sure how that happened, but I suspect it has to do with the laptop being old and Vista waking it up randomly while the lid is closedSep 23 11:03
DaemonFCwhich just really pisses me off to no endSep 23 11:03
DaemonFCKubuntu does work well considering the laptop's hardwareSep 23 11:04
DaemonFC1.8 Ghz Sempron and 1 GB of RAMSep 23 11:05
DaemonFCI'll buy a new laptop eventually but this one may have to last me several more monthsSep 23 11:05
DaemonFCI just don't know how I could work at a Microsoft store, most of the products in there would be things I wouldn't use personallySep 23 11:07
DaemonFCI still play my Dreamcast quite a bit but the XBOX 360 is collecting dustSep 23 11:07
DaemonFCI really want Sega to make a new console but I think they're pretty much finishedSep 23 11:09
schestowitz"Internet giant Yahoo has relaunched its web portal, supported by a $100m global advertising campaign." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8270081.stmSep 23 11:10
DaemonFCIf I could see any non x86 CPU architecture catch on, it would be the Hitachi Super-HSep 23 11:11
DaemonFCLinux still works on my DreamcastSep 23 11:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] China Mobile Signs Up its Half-Billionth Subscriber http://bit.ly/JBHRbSep 23 11:12
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_Hicham_Hi All!Sep 23 11:15
schestowitzSo there I was, happily taking some pix of some razor wire... < http://www.flickr.com/photos/misty69/3935772192/in/pool-96539599@N00  >Sep 23 11:19
schestowitz_Hicham_: would you take photos of a fence :-pSep 23 11:19
_Hicham_when the world does not have walls and fences, who needs windows and gates ?Sep 23 11:20
_Hicham_schestowitz : do u like fences ?Sep 23 11:23
schestowitzLondon.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_way/3940110955/sizes/l/Sep 23 11:23
schestowitz_Hicham_: no, but I like windows and gatesSep 23 11:23
schestowitzUS Bringing Most Traffic Growth To UK News Sites http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-us-bringing-most-traffic-growth-to-uk-news-sites/Sep 23 11:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A cure for global warming: Economic meltdown < http://bit.ly/15ld9a > Economy = currency, tradeSep 23 11:26
schestowitzCould Wowd Be the Skype of Real-Time Search? Private Beta Invites http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/2009/09/could-wowd-be-the-skype-of-rea.phpSep 23 11:26
schestowitzI see that readwriteweb sold out to the MonopolistSep 23 11:26
schestowitzhttp://www.openinternet.gov/Sep 23 11:26
schestowitz_Hicham_: what do you think of this? http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/russian-billionaire-installs-anti-photo-shield-on-giant-yacht/Sep 23 11:27
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8266902.stmSep 23 11:28
schestowitzMan busy destroying natureSep 23 11:28
_Hicham_schestowitz : interesting ideaSep 23 11:30
amarsh04schestowitz, also discovered in my adsl router:Sep 23 11:31
amarsh04Linux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le (glee@homer) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release/MontaVista)) #1 Fri Oct 19 12:28:46 EST 2007Sep 23 11:31
schestowitzhttp://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2009/09/Reversing_the_rise_of_the_surveillance_state.aspxSep 23 11:32
schestowitzASPXSep 23 11:33
schestowitzTories -> ASPSep 23 11:33
schestowitzAnd they speak about FOSS. HaSep 23 11:33
_Hicham_no ASP plzSep 23 11:33
_Hicham_nooooooooooooooooooooooSep 23 11:33
schestowitzASAPSep 23 11:33
schestowitzamarsh04: MontaVista....Sep 23 11:34
schestowitz"ButNobodyUsesLinux....."Sep 23 11:34
Diablo-D3http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/23/ati-radeon-hd-5870-blazes-onto-the-scene-receives-approving-nod/Sep 23 11:35
Diablo-D3oh shSep 23 11:35
_Hicham_Diablo-D3 the bad boy, howdy ?Sep 23 11:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Smoking bans 'cut heart attacks' - http://bit.ly/13bO7L the speed of the health dividend is interesting #healthSep 23 11:35
_Hicham_what a graphic cardSep 23 11:37
_Hicham_schestowitz : do u smoke ?Sep 23 11:37
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schestowitz_Hicham_: only salmonSep 23 11:40
schestowitzEU countries reject ban on bluefin tuna < http://www.euractiv.com/en/environment/eu-countries-reject-ban-bluefin-tuna/article-185664?Ref=RSS >Sep 23 11:40
schestowitzIdiocy. They want to drive them into extinction tooSep 23 11:41
schestowitzMan can never extinuish bacteria, so at least there'll be something to evolve from againSep 23 11:41
amarsh04yes schestowitz, but the adsl router vendor provided no information about gpl code in their product and didn't respond to my registered letter, so I've been in touch with some free software legal peopleSep 23 11:42
schestowitz"bloody morons - shame on Spain, Malta, Italy, France, Greece and Cyprus" http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/4172944834Sep 23 11:42
schestowitzNow, that's some way to alienate his followersSep 23 11:42
amarsh04many times we're ashamed of our own leaders also thoughSep 23 11:43
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schestowitzhttp://www.euopeninternet.eu/Sep 23 11:46
schestowitzPublished Google Docs Documents To Appear In Google Search http://www.ghacks.net/2009/09/21/published-google-docs-documents-to-appear-in-google-search/Sep 23 11:51
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schestowitzMicrosoft tries buying its way into HPC. It won't work. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4027Sep 23 11:53
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_Hicham_senior oiaohmSep 23 11:58
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oiaohmDiablo-D3: has got me thinking.  I think both of him and CK missed why CFS is playing up to much.Sep 23 12:03
oiaohmcgroups never really get removed from CFSSep 23 12:03
oiaohmuser mode just auto assigns each user into a cgroup without needing to do anything.   Now that leaves a stavation location for critical apps.Sep 23 12:04
oiaohmSwap user for process most of problem would disappear.Sep 23 12:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yikes. A Really Nasty Ad Slips Past Google http://bit.ly/shBATSep 23 12:04
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Diablo-D3oiaohm: huhSep 23 12:07
Diablo-D3oiaohm: report a bug thenSep 23 12:07
oiaohmPlaning on it.Sep 23 12:08
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oiaohmJust got a little deeper digging.   Maybe advistable to add the same kind of alteration inside all cgroup allocation as well.Sep 23 12:08
oiaohmIe don't allow a single process inside a cgroup stave the others.Sep 23 12:09
oiaohmBasically I had not noticed how I was setting up my cgroups manally I was stacking a lot so preventing starvation events.Sep 23 12:12
schestowitzBuddhist Leader Says Playing Video Games Lets Out Aggression; Better Method Than Meditation http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0328396274.shtmlSep 23 12:22
schestowitzIn Defense of The Book http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=OWUzNTRjMzZlN2NkN2ZhYjFkZTRiM2RjZDMzNDc1NmM=Sep 23 12:23
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oiaohmSo does dancing and wood choping let out Aggression better than meditation by the way schestowitz by different Buddhist leaders over time.Sep 23 12:25
DaemonFC`hmmmSep 23 12:26
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oiaohmYes Buddhist leaders have said some warped things.Sep 23 12:26
DaemonFCNewegg is having a "Webinar" for Windows 7Sep 23 12:26
oiaohmLet the slog begin DaemonFCSep 23 12:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, The top 5 downloads on Download.com for the week......Sep 23 12:27
DaemonFCdrum roll please....Sep 23 12:28
oiaohmDoes not matter I have about 50 to 60 people locally  who are looking at ubuntu or mint conversion.Sep 23 12:28
DaemonFCThree antivirus, one antispyware, and LimewireSep 23 12:28
DaemonFC:)Sep 23 12:28
oiaohmGreat 4 to get rid of problemsSep 23 12:28
oiaohmAnd 1 to undo everything done by the other 4Sep 23 12:28
DaemonFCI hate Limewire, always haveSep 23 12:29
oiaohmLegal torrents don't cause problems.Sep 23 12:29
DaemonFCand Gnutella network as wellSep 23 12:29
oiaohmYou play in the illegal sections hell follows.Sep 23 12:29
oiaohmThe questions is not if your machine gets infected playing in the illegal its when.Sep 23 12:29
DaemonFCoiaohm, There's a lot more viruses and spyware and crap on Gnutella than any other file sharing service there is out thereSep 23 12:30
oiaohmBittorrent currently holds the top DaemonFCSep 23 12:30
schestowitz EU backs Google in trademark row http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8269629.stmSep 23 12:30
DaemonFCpeople trying to download illegal porn and keygensSep 23 12:30
oiaohmIn volume of crap moved.Sep 23 12:30
DaemonFCnot the sharpest tools in the shedSep 23 12:30
oiaohmhttp://www.learningubuntu.com/articles/new-ubuntu-users-5-things-expect  Good articalSep 23 12:32
oiaohmDaemonFC: about 90 percent of infected machines own to the not smartest in shed people.Sep 23 12:32
DaemonFCI'd say that I agree with thatSep 23 12:33
DaemonFCprobably 90% of more of virus infestations go to 10% of Windows usersSep 23 12:33
DaemonFC*or moreSep 23 12:33
DaemonFCpeople that don't know why you shouldn't have to double click an EXE file to get porn or musicSep 23 12:34
DaemonFCor people that like to go fishing for "keygens"Sep 23 12:35
oiaohmNow the other 10 percent.Sep 23 12:36
oiaohmAre smart know they have done something wrong and come and get it cured.Sep 23 12:36
oiaohmIf they don't know how.Sep 23 12:36
DaemonFCI'd say that out of the remaining 10%, about 9% goes to 40% of the usersSep 23 12:37
DaemonFCand the remaining 1% is distributed among the other half of usersSep 23 12:37
oiaohmMost of the 10 percent are first time on line people.Sep 23 12:37
oiaohmRunnign anti-virus software and visit so called safe places like facebook.Sep 23 12:38
oiaohmAnd end up infected.Sep 23 12:38
oiaohmHow where they to know facebook is part the trap from hell.Sep 23 12:38
DaemonFCwell, I'm sure that Microsoft Security Essentials could prevent most of that if they could integrate it without being sued by the "protection" mafiaSep 23 12:38
DaemonFCAVG, Avast, Avira, Symantec, Kaspersky, Nod32, etcSep 23 12:38
oiaohmBig mistake.Sep 23 12:38
oiaohmLot of zero day attacks appear first on facebook.Sep 23 12:39
DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10357723-264.html?tag=contentMain;contentBodySep 23 12:39
oiaohmYou are basically screwed no matter what you are running.Sep 23 12:39
DaemonFCFirefox gets an early taste of 3D Web standardSep 23 12:39
oiaohmIf its windows.Sep 23 12:39
oiaohmEven Linux its advistable to sandbox your webbrowser.Sep 23 12:39
oiaohmSecuirty software is 100 percent useless against zero day.Sep 23 12:40
DaemonFCthe funny thing is that the last major security flaw in Linux was actually made worse by having SELinux or ApparmorSep 23 12:40
DaemonFCwhich is funny as all hellSep 23 12:41
DaemonFCit proves what I've been saying all along, that extra complications in your setup don't help securitySep 23 12:41
oiaohmNot exactly  made worse.Sep 23 12:41
oiaohmSelinux shutdown infected processes.Sep 23 12:41
oiaohmSo it was more disruptive.Sep 23 12:42
oiaohmYet slowed spreed.Sep 23 12:42
oiaohmNow there is a blancing act here DaemonFC sometimes more pain to admins for less infectioned machines is worth it.Sep 23 12:42
DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10356669-56.html?tag=mncol;postsSep 23 12:46
DaemonFCGetting catty: Cougar sighted near Microsoft campusSep 23 12:46
schestowitzThis is funny: http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/29698/Sep 23 12:54
schestowitz"Ok I listened. Good show, though enough of the suckup already. "Ooo mark we worship you!" ;)"Sep 23 12:54
schestowitz"After wading through a bunch of boring self congratulatory banter and ads, I finally got to the interview. Well actually, got so bored with the banter that I fast forwarded until I go to the interview, which as it turned out was quite unexceptional, and told us nothing we could not have read a dozen times already. I don't think I'll bother next time the not so gutsy geeks are linked to."Sep 23 12:54
*DaemonFC smacks schestowitz with a copy of Perfect Dark ZeroSep 23 12:57
DaemonFC:)Sep 23 12:57
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DaemonFCthey bagged 8 more terrorists apparentlySep 23 13:10
DaemonFCdisrupted a major bombing plotSep 23 13:11
DaemonFChope they rot in prisonSep 23 13:12
DaemonFCthey should lock these guys up and throw away the keySep 23 13:12
oiaohmProblem is they guys doing the bombing are normally just as much victims as there targets.Sep 23 13:14
schestowitzhttp://www.microsplot.com/blog/2009/09/microsoft_windows_complexSep 23 13:14
DaemonFCoiaohm, yeah, I suppose a deprogrammer couldn't hurtSep 23 13:15
oiaohmDaemonFC: most don't really know the religion they are saying they are doing it for.Sep 23 13:15
oiaohmNo point killing the programmed person.  You need to kill the programmer or there will be more.Sep 23 13:15
oiaohmIe programmed person will remove themselves anyhow.Sep 23 13:15
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schestowitzNOVL news is dwindlingSep 23 13:16
schestowitzVery little going on at Novell this year, based on # of headlinesSep 23 13:16
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DaemonFCoiaohm, deprogrammer would maybe undo the brainwashing that these people got. That's what I meantSep 23 13:17
oiaohmdeprogrammer does not solve problem DaemonFCSep 23 13:17
oiaohmOk make the caught drones more normal.  If you are deprogramming you should be after the programmer.Sep 23 13:18
oiaohmSad part is some of the programmers are high up religious leaders.Sep 23 13:18
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schestowitzOMG http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/09/spinning-sco-defeat/ http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/08/25/the-roller-scoaster-continues-fight-with-novell-heads-to-trial/Sep 23 13:20
schestowitzCompare picturesSep 23 13:20
trmancohttp://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2/rc/1Sep 23 13:20
trmancoyaySep 23 13:20
DaemonFC`it's Comcastic!Sep 23 13:20
DaemonFC`:PSep 23 13:20
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oiaohmhttp://blog.chromium.org/2009/09/introducing-google-chrome-frame.html  I do like this.   Ok lot of people have IE no problems replace the IE rendering engine.Sep 23 13:27
oiaohmSo no more need to code for IE.Sep 23 13:27
schestowitz[13:28] <schestowitz> michaellarabel: I need your help.Sep 23 13:45
schestowitz[13:28] --> Gentooer has joined this channel (n=Gentooer@82.113.121.158).Sep 23 13:45
schestowitz[13:28] <michaellarabel> schestowitz: What is your problem>Sep 23 13:45
schestowitz[13:28] <schestowitz> You know the "bloated" remark?Sep 23 13:45
schestowitz[13:29] <michaellarabel> Which bloated remark? Or just in general termsSep 23 13:45
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> I'm looking past:Sep 23 13:45
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> Linux 2.6.28 Kernel BenchmarksSep 23 13:45
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2628_benchmarks&num=1Sep 23 13:45
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> Linux 2.6.26 Kernel BenchmarksSep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2626_benchmarks&num=1Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> Linux 2.6.23 Kernel BenchmarksSep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=872&num=1Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> Linux 2.6.30 Kernel BenchmarksSep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:29] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2630&num=1Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:30] <schestowitz> Linus calls Linux 'bloated and huge'Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:30] <schestowitz> During a roundtable discussion at LinuxCon in Portland, Oregon this afternoon, moderator and Novell distinguished engineer James Bottomley asked Tovalds whether Linux kernel features were being released too fast, before the kernel is stabilized.Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:30] <schestowitz> Citing an internal Intel study that tracked kernel releases, Bottomley said Linux performance had dropped about two per centage points at every release, for a cumulative drop of about 12 per cent over the last ten releases. "Is this a problem?" he asked.Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:30] <schestowitz> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:30] <schestowitz> Does your data agree with this?Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:36] <redeeman> michaellarabel: what disk driver and disk format did you use for the kvm benchmark?Sep 23 13:46
schestowitz[13:36] <michaellarabel> schestowitz: It depends upon the area. Some areas of the kernel have slowed down while others have improved.Sep 23 13:46
schestowitzoiaohm: any comment?Sep 23 13:46
schestowitzI'm working on a postSep 23 13:46
oiaohmmich was right.Sep 23 13:47
oiaohmLinux kernel is not just black and white numbers.Sep 23 13:47
schestowitzSo what would be a universal measure?Sep 23 13:47
schestowitzWas Novell's James fair?Sep 23 13:47
schestowitzOr being a smartarse like Greg K-H vs Ubuntu?Sep 23 13:47
oiaohmOverall measurements are showing slowing.Sep 23 13:47
schestowitzYou can disable features thoughSep 23 13:48
oiaohmIe not black and white.Sep 23 13:48
schestowitzObviously having more hooked in will make it longer to run (more checks for stuff)Sep 23 13:48
oiaohmAltering particular settings and setting up systems different ways cause completely different performance.Sep 23 13:48
schestowitzokSep 23 13:48
schestowitzthanksSep 23 13:48
oiaohmReason why Diablo-D3 and me went head to head recently.Sep 23 13:48
oiaohmI have been using cgroups to manage my processes so avoiding lot of cfs hell.Sep 23 13:49
oiaohmCausing by auto grouping into users.Sep 23 13:49
oiaohmSo I am seeing way different bench numbers to what Diablo-D3 is getting.Sep 23 13:50
oiaohmEven when we are using the same source.Sep 23 13:50
schestowitzWhy is NOVL pushing CLI tricks into SLED? http://www.novell.com/communities/node/8984/hacking-slabSep 23 13:50
oiaohmschestowitz:  Its also the numbers of merges over that time.Sep 23 13:50
oiaohmMost of the indepentant trees to the main Linux kernel are no more.Sep 23 13:51
oiaohmPrice of uniflying it takes quite a few versions for all the side effects to be found and corrected.Sep 23 13:52
oiaohmAt some point something better in driver detection for hal searches has to be found.Sep 23 13:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Daily Mash: #Microsoft offers students cut-price infuriating crap http://is.gd/3B5hRSep 23 13:53
oiaohmThe merges into the Linux kernel should slow down soon schestowitzSep 23 13:54
oiaohmYou get a linux feature list it is getting fairly complete.Sep 23 13:55
oiaohmhttp://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Silk Interesting projectSep 23 13:59
schestowitzYes, got it twiceSep 23 14:01
schestowitzToo many people see no problem with Oracle swallowing the dolphin... http://ostatic.com/blog/oracles-larry-ellison-weighs-in-on-sun-and-the-eu-and-he-shouldSep 23 14:01
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-21-028-35-OP-CY-EV-0023Sep 23 14:11
schestowitz This is a price comparison site in Brazil:Sep 23 14:11
schestowitzhttp://preco2.buscape.com.br/pc.htmlSep 23 14:11
schestowitzIt shows Desktop PCs sold here. Today, 2009.Sep.22, it lists:Sep 23 14:11
schestowitz318 pre-installed Linux PC models;Sep 23 14:11
schestowitz24 pre-installed Mac OS X PCs;Sep 23 14:11
schestowitz171 pre-installed Vista PCs andSep 23 14:11
schestowitz21 pre-installed Windows XP PCs.Sep 23 14:11
oiaohmDoes ask some interesting questions.Sep 23 14:18
oiaohmIf Linux can sell that high in that market what is wrong everywhere else.Sep 23 14:19
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schestowitzNice USB stick: http://www.junauza.com/2009/09/weekly-ten-9-21-2009.htmlSep 23 14:21
schestowitzoiaohm: in Brazil they love libreSep 23 14:21
schestowitzEven the president is all about itSep 23 14:22
oiaohmI am wondering how much is marketing generated fear that does not work in BrazilSep 23 14:22
oiaohmI have seen many studies showing on adverage 20 percent of computers in businesses don't need windows.Sep 23 14:23
oiaohmNow why are businesses paying 20 percent more in software than they need to.Sep 23 14:23
oiaohmThere are a lot of questions.  No that many good answers.Sep 23 14:23
schestowitzhttp://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-change-menu-icon-in-ubuntu-904.htmlSep 23 14:24
schestowitzoiaohm: there are other new winsSep 23 14:25
schestowitzLike many laptops with Linux in Spain now..Sep 23 14:25
schestowitzI'll post links in a momentSep 23 14:25
schestowitzThere's some fun technical stuff too http://www.pmabox.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27:connect-to-a-server&catid=10:iceland-blog&Itemid=1Sep 23 14:26
oiaohmmost people of the windows users don't understand Linus very load and strange comments.Sep 23 14:26
oiaohmAnd use it as something bad.Sep 23 14:26
oiaohmNot seeing  that Linus has to call to Developers first to get actions.Sep 23 14:27
schestowitzI'm sure Microsoft will quote itSep 23 14:27
schestowitzLike it quotes Red Hat employees when doing the Linux Trashing presentationsSep 23 14:27
schestowitzIt uses this as ammoSep 23 14:27
oiaohmProblem here there is no such thing as bad press.Sep 23 14:28
oiaohmJust press you have not worked out how to turn into sales.Sep 23 14:28
oiaohmYet.Sep 23 14:28
oiaohmReason why winning businesses disreguard losing ones.Sep 23 14:29
oiaohmPointing at losing one is just giving them free advertisement and people might go look to find out exacty if the bad press is true.Sep 23 14:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] GPL upheld in France - in case brought by 3rd party user, not (c) holder! http://bit.ly/UeVl0 (HT @glynmoody)Sep 23 14:31
oiaohmhttp://www.itworld.com/security/78462/applications-are-your-biggest-security-risks  << Why items like Ubuntu win on secuirty simpler to update everything.Sep 23 14:35
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DaemonFCschestowitz, http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/more-comcast-kerfuffle-the-return-of-the-dns-hijacker-random-dropped-connections-no-hd-channels/#comment-1161Sep 23 14:36
DaemonFCnever failsSep 23 14:36
schestowitzDropping Compiz for Mutter (Metacity 3) compositing?  http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2009/09/dropping-compiz-for-mutter-metacity-3.htmlSep 23 14:38
oiaohmhttp://www.windowsfordevices.com/c/a/News/NorhTec-Gecko-Info-Pad/  << LOL Look at the picture.Sep 23 14:39
DaemonFChmmmSep 23 14:39
DaemonFCthat's the brownest Windows theme I've ever seenSep 23 14:40
DaemonFC:PSep 23 14:40
oiaohmNormally its always the other way over.Sep 23 14:43
oiaohmIe Linux devices have a picture of windows because its the only one on hand.Sep 23 14:43
twitter1ha ha, Washington State goes after M$ tax dodge.  http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/22/225233/Microsoft-Tax-Dodge-At-Issue-In-Washington-StateSep 23 14:51
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twitter1they had better hurry before the money is all gone.Sep 23 14:52
DaemonFCin a support chat with ComcastSep 23 14:56
DaemonFCthis must surely be why I have broadbandSep 23 14:56
schestowitzJust about 'Linuxed out" http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/2009/09/just-about-linuxed-out.htmlSep 23 14:56
DaemonFCthe ISP is always such a damned obstacle that I don't have time for anything elseSep 23 14:56
oiaohmhttp://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=785  Hello the new game in town for video cards.Sep 23 14:56
*DaemonFC slaps schestowitz with a Radian6 rapid response droneSep 23 14:58
DaemonFCmust.....protect.....crappy....braaaaaaaaand......<gasp>Sep 23 14:59
oiaohmI am looking forward to ATI and Nvidia chipsets merging on cards.Sep 23 15:01
DaemonFCoiaohm, http://pastebin.com/d38363821Sep 23 15:02
DaemonFCthat's the conversation so farSep 23 15:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: which agency caught it?Sep 23 15:03
DaemonFCRadian6 againSep 23 15:04
schestowitzoiaohm: in eWEEK, they post thew same in the Windows and Linux blogSep 23 15:04
schestowitzIt'ds hilarious that they put it with the same photo in the Windows sideSep 23 15:04
schestowitzI saw the Linux one some hours agoSep 23 15:04
oiaohmI know schestowitzSep 23 15:06
oiaohmI visit both.Sep 23 15:06
oiaohmI hope it becomes a trend.  Press release pics more Linux than windows.Sep 23 15:07
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schestowitzOK, I'll post some newsSep 23 15:08
DaemonFCI wonder how long it takes Windows to eat 8 AA batteriesSep 23 15:09
schestowitzI'm gonna write about Comcast tonightSep 23 15:12
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'll drop them like a bad habit if FIOS ever does get hereSep 23 15:13
DaemonFCoh boy, brbSep 23 15:13
DaemonFCtech resetting the modemSep 23 15:13
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Diablo-D3http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1345/timsc.jpgSep 23 15:14
Diablo-D3a portable tim hortonsSep 23 15:14
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DaemonFCthe tech pushed the wrong button and disconnected herselfSep 23 15:17
DaemonFCoh well, at least Comcast techs aren't in control of our nuclear stockpileSep 23 15:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hundreds of Thousands of #GNU #Linux #Laptops to be Given to #Spanish Students http://bit.ly/1MCCzsSep 23 15:21
DaemonFCRyan_(Wed Sep 23 2009 10:23:31 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time))>Sep 23 15:22
DaemonFCI think the line is probably 20 years old and being held together with bubble gumSep 23 15:22
DaemonFC>Sep 23 15:22
DaemonFCthat's what I think, and I've been abundantly patient with this and it's really getting on my nervesSep 23 15:22
DaemonFCMary>Sep 23 15:22
DaemonFCI really understand what you feel, Ryan.Sep 23 15:22
schestowitzHahaha.Sep 23 15:23
schestowitz"Mary..."Sep 23 15:23
schestowitzWhyn not "Gerhad"?Sep 23 15:24
schestowitz*GerhardSep 23 15:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxCon Talks About #GNU #Linux as Drop-in #Windows Replacement http://bit.ly/2otRVDSep 23 15:25
DaemonFCMary>Sep 23 15:26
DaemonFCSo rest assured, that if this would end a dispatch ticket, our field technician will be able to end up the issues that you have now.Sep 23 15:26
schestowitzTell them to send candySep 23 15:26
DaemonFCMe> well, bluntly, I think everyone in the company is aware of this by now judging from how many people I've talked to, I'd really appreciate it if they could fix it or at least give me an idea of how long it will take because I'm paying for this whether it has 100% uptime or 5%, you know?Sep 23 15:26
DaemonFCMary> I will make sure that they will definitely resolve this after creating a ticket for you, Ryan.Sep 23 15:27
DaemonFCMe> I would honestly appreciate thatSep 23 15:28
DaemonFCI've also asked her to permanently opt me out of their dns hijackerSep 23 15:30
schestowitzHaha. I remember itSep 23 15:31
schestowitzLike OpenDNSSep 23 15:31
schestowitzBut Comcast is CHARGING you for serviceSep 23 15:32
schestowitzLooking for a buck round the corna', tooSep 23 15:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxCon Attendants Like What They See http://bit.ly/hTCRf http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/09/22/linuxcon2009/ http://bit.ly/8VelL htt ...Sep 23 15:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Brings #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux to #Africa http://bit.ly/hyuqC http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125367155287932855.htmlSep 23 15:33
DaemonFCexactlySep 23 15:39
DaemonFCand opts you back in even though you told it to go awaySep 23 15:39
DaemonFCsneakySep 23 15:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Version of #Bordeaux 1.8 Released http://bit.ly/s30kWSep 23 15:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ohio #LinuxFest Welcomes Attendants http://www.ohiolinux.org/node/597Sep 23 15:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Quick Look at the Desktop Sidebar in #GNOME 3 http://bit.ly/DM1XnSep 23 15:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Silk Explained, #Amarok 2.2 Reaches RC1, #Plasma Plan Laid Out http://bit.ly/xuy0O http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2/rc/1 http: ...Sep 23 15:43
DaemonFCMary> I really apologize for the inconvenience that this has caused you. What I can do to really resolve this issue is to open a priority ticket for you. With this ticket, your issue will be taken cared of immediately. I will also check it from time to time for you. To further support the ticket, I will note it in our system and tag it as a top priority, Ryan.Sep 23 15:46
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LW0ky1TIMSep 23 15:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat 's Attempt to Free the 'Cloud' and Its Significance http://bit.ly/72OwSep 23 15:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Brings the Best of #SELinux http://bit.ly/rkGKXSep 23 15:50
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't know why they think I care if I have Comcast emailSep 23 15:51
DaemonFCeveryone should know that ISP email is a trap and never to use itSep 23 15:51
DaemonFCI got burned on that one onceSep 23 15:51
DaemonFCwhen I had my @sbcglobal.net email accountSep 23 15:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Screenshots of the #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Installer http://bit.ly/y9n0ZSep 23 15:52
schestowitzDaemonFC: same with PhormSep 23 15:53
schestowitzHere in the UK they spy on youSep 23 15:53
schestowitzThey chanrge you for i-connSep 23 15:53
schestowitzThen they sell a history of your browsing (habits) to companiesSep 23 15:54
schestowitzTo make extra profitSep 23 15:54
Diablo-D3speaking of browsing habitsSep 23 15:54
Diablo-D3you know what would be an AWESOME feature?Sep 23 15:54
DaemonFCI should think that would be illegalSep 23 15:54
schestowitzAnd yes, ISP mail is a trapSep 23 15:54
schestowitzNasty one tooSep 23 15:54
schestowitzThey would not forwardSep 23 15:54
DaemonFCthe FTC would put a stop to itSep 23 15:54
schestowitzYesSep 23 15:54
Diablo-D3if google looked at my recent search history and applied that to my current querySep 23 15:54
schestowitzControversialSep 23 15:54
schestowitzScumSep 23 15:54
schestowitzDiablo-D3: probablySep 23 15:55
Diablo-D3but it doesnt :<Sep 23 15:55
schestowitzDiablo-D3: even without JSSep 23 15:56
schestowitzTry clicking on results int he results pageSep 23 15:56
schestowitzThen trying copying the URLSep 23 15:56
schestowitzThey changed this over timeSep 23 15:56
schestowitzIt's more sneaky nowSep 23 15:56
schestowitzALso in Google NewsSep 23 15:56
schestowitzSPying on habits and clicks without JSSep 23 15:56
DaemonFCschestowitz, They try to hide shit like that on page 473 of the terms of serviceSep 23 15:56
DaemonFCbut that doesn't usually stop the FTC from shutting them down anywaySep 23 15:57
DaemonFClike the Sears/Kmart spywareSep 23 15:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $300 Tablet/ #Subnotebooks Runs #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/Nfo74Sep 23 15:58
DaemonFCthe FTC has taken a pretty firm stand against spyware even if you technically might have agreed to itSep 23 15:59
DaemonFCsome parts of our government workSep 23 15:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell to Make #GNU #Linux Applications Store for #Subnotebooks http://bit.ly/31lklYSep 23 15:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, It won't workSep 23 16:00
DaemonFCMicrosoft already mentioned that they want to gouge consumers for all they can pump them forSep 23 16:00
DaemonFCso their apps won't be as affordable as Apple'sSep 23 16:00
DaemonFCwhich is ironic considering how much more affordable Microsoft usually says they areSep 23 16:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google #Subnotebooks Running #Linux May be Near (Out Before Christmas) http://bit.ly/e2LI8Sep 23 16:02
DaemonFCI would venture a guess to say that a laptop with Windows might be cheaper but it's certainly not because it has Windows on it instead of OS XSep 23 16:02
DaemonFCthe hardware is much lower quality than a MacbookSep 23 16:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #100,000 XOs ( #OLPC ) to be Acquired by #Rwanda http://bit.ly/PiyodSep 23 16:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -funded #Patent Harasser #Blackboard Dumped for #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/31eXcySep 23 16:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Shapado Takes the #FreeSoftware Route to Deliver Great Application http://bit.ly/3enUte #agplSep 23 16:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Target Huge #Philippine Population http://bit.ly/1RehoQSep 23 16:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #German Minister Promotes #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/wUY8jSep 23 16:09
DaemonFCI'm thinking this tech is in another countrySep 23 16:14
DaemonFCany bets?Sep 23 16:14
DaemonFCtried to sell me inside line protection for $4 a monthSep 23 16:15
DaemonFChow stupid do they think I am?Sep 23 16:15
DaemonFCI could replace all the inside wiring myself, completely for about $4Sep 23 16:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU #GPL Wins Again in #Europe -- This Time #France http://bit.ly/phipI !gnu !fsfSep 23 16:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, gedit is now my favorite text editor on Windows too :)Sep 23 16:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NHS 'IT' (Microsoft/Windows) Blunder Suppressed http://bit.ly/6olPeSep 23 16:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenGL to Gain with Support from #Google and #Firefox (WebGL) http://bit.ly/bQJ7vSep 23 16:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bogus Claims Say That Changing Windows Wallpapers Cost $700k (Gary McKinnon) http://bit.ly/3jvtjtSep 23 16:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Lily Allen fights for "three strikes" proposal http://notnews.today.com/?p=658Sep 23 16:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Garbage Clogs Up The #IntellectualMonopoly System http://bit.ly/14xsRj #uspto #failSep 23 16:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent #TrollTracker Walks Away Free http://bit.ly/13o4eu http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/1611326286.shtmlSep 23 16:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] \Sep 23 16:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pirate Party Grows in France (Resisting Sarko and Hollywood) http://bit.ly/Y7tYFSep 23 16:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA to Add Intellectual Monopoly #Tax to People's Phone Bills http://bit.ly/nFd0N http://bit.ly/ADqPmSep 23 16:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Movement for #NetNeutrality Grows in #Europe and the US http://www.euopeninternet.eu/ http://bit.ly/JANZL http://bit.ly/GJnAc http://tec ...Sep 23 16:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, it runs on Windows since not so long agoSep 23 16:42
schestowitzBut why use WIndows?Sep 23 16:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, The Comcast guy is comingSep 23 16:42
DaemonFCand he has a DOCSIS 3.0 modem just for me :)Sep 23 16:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ex-Microsofter in #LikeWise Attacking #Samba with Patent Deals and Forks http://bit.ly/2K0FX http://bit.ly/kzfxkSep 23 16:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Microsoft Attacks Linux? "It's Their Nature" http://bit.ly/MbwXGSep 23 16:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Department " #Novell Inc" Helps #Zune, Spreads .NET http://bit.ly/lVO1U http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27941/1090/Sep 23 16:52
DaemonFCmmm, that was delicious (chicken sandwich with everything)Sep 23 16:54
DaemonFCI could eat that for every mealSep 23 16:55
DaemonFChave to use the brown mustard thoughSep 23 16:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] InfoWorld Sees the End of Microsoft in the Internet http://bit.ly/19IzjBSep 23 16:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's "Creative Capitalism" is Public Looting http://bit.ly/KLWZv http://bit.ly/30jd3jSep 23 17:00
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Willschestowitz:  http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/22/225233/Microsoft-Tax-Dodge-At-Issue-In-Washington-State?art_pos=16Sep 23 17:05
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schestowitz*LOL* Dawkins getting slammed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQwSep 23 17:19
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DaemonFCI got my DOCSIS 3 modemSep 23 17:30
DaemonFCso that should be the last time I drop off the interwho without explanationSep 23 17:31
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgDI9bGQbCg&feature=relatedSep 23 17:33
schestowitzYou spend a lot time with modemsSep 23 17:33
schestowitzTime is worth something tooSep 23 17:33
schestowitzHehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj_uv3tgrXM&NR=1Sep 23 17:35
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DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_VersesSep 23 18:03
DaemonFCschestowitz, I suggest you read thatSep 23 18:03
DaemonFCMuslims deal with anyone who slights them by issuing a fatwa calling for their murderSep 23 18:03
DaemonFCmurder and violence are all they actually do but when you criticize their violent nature, they cry out "We're peaceful! Leave us alone!"Sep 23 18:04
DaemonFCbullshitSep 23 18:04
DaemonFCthey act like they're actually the victim of anything but their own blood lust and tyrannySep 23 18:05
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DaemonFCif they're not the single most violent religion in the world, I'd like to know what isSep 23 18:06
schestowitzThere's a lot of rubbish in most religious booksSep 23 18:09
DaemonFCI'd like anyone to show me one example where Islam is a religion of peace, because you cannot do itSep 23 18:09
ThistleWebthe same could be said of many religionsSep 23 18:11
DaemonFCWhere are all the Jewish and Christian terrorists?Sep 23 18:12
DaemonFCI don't mean some crazy that offed an abortion doctorSep 23 18:12
ThistleWebpick your period of history and you'll find themSep 23 18:12
DaemonFCI mean organized terrorist cells that killed thousands of people in cold bloodSep 23 18:12
ThistleWeblike the Crusades you mean?Sep 23 18:12
DaemonFCin the 20th or 21st centurySep 23 18:12
DaemonFCIslam is the only religion stuck in the bronze ageSep 23 18:13
ThistleWebahh, so we're selecting only the times in history that support your bias thenSep 23 18:13
DaemonFCeven Christians an Jews are downright enlightened in comparisonSep 23 18:13
DaemonFC*andSep 23 18:13
DaemonFCThistleWeb, ever heard the term "That was then and this is now"?Sep 23 18:14
ThistleWebyeah, I'm not gonna waste any more time on thisSep 23 18:14
DaemonFCname one major religiously motivated terrorist attack in the last 200 years that was committed by anyone other than Muslims?Sep 23 18:15
ThistleWebby "terrorist" you mean "create terror"? and "religiously motivated" meaning "God led me" you could fit a lot of the US foreign policy under that bracket, but you can't because the US are the "good guys"Sep 23 18:16
schestowitzWhy is it that some people can upload over an hour of video in one go?Sep 23 18:17
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schestowitzThis one is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEeBPSvcNZQSep 23 18:24
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Omar871DaemonFC: You're in an urgent need to see a shrink man.Sep 23 18:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell UK: It’s Like Singing to Empty Tables http://bit.ly/1210PuSep 23 18:38
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_goblinhello allSep 23 18:47
Omar871_goblin: HowdySep 23 18:48
_goblinanything going on?Sep 23 18:48
Omar871_goblin: Nothing more than DaemonFC yapping bull crap as usual.Sep 23 18:49
_goblinIve had him on ignore for about a weekSep 23 18:50
_goblinit makes it so much easier to get into proper conversations.Sep 23 18:50
_goblinI think diablo has ignored him too.Sep 23 18:50
_goblinhe must nearly be at the point of talking to himself.Sep 23 18:50
Omar871_goblin: Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do too.Sep 23 18:51
_goblinI found his anti-islam tone very insulting....Sep 23 18:51
_goblinalong with his anti- everything else...Sep 23 18:51
Omar871_goblin: Yeah, man. Very.Sep 23 18:51
Omar871_goblin: True.Sep 23 18:51
Omar871_goblin: What's the ignore command?Sep 23 18:52
DaemonFCOmar871, /fatwa killSep 23 18:52
DaemonFC:)Sep 23 18:52
_goblinI used the drop down option on x-chat although I think its just /ignoreSep 23 18:52
_goblin  Hostmask                  PRIV NOTI CHAN CTCP DCC  INVI UNIGSep 23 18:53
_goblin  DaemonFC!*@*              YES  YES  YES  YES  YES  YES  NOSep 23 18:53
_goblin  DaemonFC`!*@*             YES  YES  YES  YES  YES  YES  NOSep 23 18:53
_goblin                                                                  Sep 23 18:53
_goblinyep.... "/ignore <handle>"Sep 23 18:53
Omar871DaemonFC: Didn't I tell you? You're hopeless.Sep 23 18:53
DaemonFCOmar871, gfySep 23 18:53
_goblinor just simply "/ignore" to list everyone you are ignoring.Sep 23 18:53
Omar871_goblin:  I handled that now. :)Sep 23 18:54
DaemonFChttp://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/Sep 23 18:54
_goblinI don't like censorship or ignoring people.....but daemonfc proved the point that theres an exception that proves the rule.Sep 23 18:55
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_goblinOmar871: Are you from the UK?Sep 23 18:57
_Hicham_Hi All!Sep 23 18:57
_goblinhi!Sep 23 18:57
Omar871_goblin: Ya know, the ignore feature was tailored specially for the likes of him.Sep 23 18:57
Omar871_goblin: Nope. :)Sep 23 18:57
Omar871_goblin: Jordan/Palestine.Sep 23 18:57
Omar871_Hicham_: Hey!Sep 23 18:57
_goblinu may know a friend of mine.......(sort of)Sep 23 18:58
_goblinGeorge Galloway?Sep 23 18:58
Omar871_goblin: Oh yes, I do.Sep 23 18:58
Omar871_goblin: He's such a great guy.Sep 23 18:58
_goblinhe's not a friend as such, Ive met him and I support him!!Been to his talks over here...Sep 23 18:59
_goblinvery decent man.Sep 23 18:59
Omar871_goblin: Yeah, he's a great person.Sep 23 18:59
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schestowitzHey, _goblinSep 23 19:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Helps #Microsoft #Zune and #CodePlex Foundation Helps Novell http://bit.ly/16s5uQSep 23 19:14
schestowitzWhen do you come up for Mancunian suns... I mean, rain?Sep 23 19:15
_Hicham_is it raining in the UK ?Sep 23 19:15
Diablo-D3http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/23/why-you-shouldnt-get-your-video-game-news-from-the-wall-street/Sep 23 19:18
Diablo-D3failSep 23 19:18
_goblinhi roy...Sep 23 19:20
_goblinsorry, Im having a game of PokerTHSep 23 19:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] North Wales Police officially claim the law is whatever they say it is http://bit.ly/aj5L9Sep 23 19:30
_goblinworking on another Python project.....hope its better than the last.....Sep 23 19:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Likewise : #Microsoft Embraces and Extends #Samba with #SoftwarePatents http://bit.ly/UjFbnSep 23 19:49
_goblinanyone who likes a game of Texas Holdem should check out:  http://www.pokerth.net  Ive been playing this for a while and its a great little distraction!Sep 23 19:53
DaemonFCthis Firefox 3.7 nightly is smoking fastSep 23 20:05
DaemonFCin many cases almost twice as fast as Firefox 3.5Sep 23 20:05
trmancohehSep 23 20:05
trmancohow fast?Sep 23 20:05
trmancogreatSep 23 20:05
DaemonFCI got a Peacekeeper score of 1752 on Firefox 3.5Sep 23 20:06
DaemonFCthis Firefox 3.7 nightly scored 2556Sep 23 20:06
DaemonFCright next to Chrome 3.0Sep 23 20:06
trmancoheh _DSep 23 20:06
trmanco:DSep 23 20:06
DaemonFCit's also using about 20% less RAMSep 23 20:06
DaemonFCit looks real good so farSep 23 20:07
DaemonFCthe final 3.7 is also going to support Aero finallySep 23 20:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Tax Avoidance, by the Numbers http://bit.ly/rvtnBSep 23 20:07
DaemonFCwell, it looks like there is a browser war and Mozilla did decide to show upSep 23 20:08
DaemonFCFirefox 3.5 is pokey compared to ChromeSep 23 20:08
DaemonFCthe only reason I was using Firefox is because of adblock plusSep 23 20:08
*DaemonFC is looking at watches on AmazonSep 23 20:09
DaemonFCI really like this one http://bit.ly/4hAutZSep 23 20:11
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_Hicham_where did u test Firefox 3.7 ? on Windows ?Sep 23 20:15
DaemonFCyeahSep 23 20:15
_Hicham_and Chrome is still faster according to the test ?Sep 23 20:16
DaemonFC_Hicham_, It's within the test's error marginSep 23 20:20
DaemonFCI'd say Firefox 3.7 will be at least equally as fast as ChromeSep 23 20:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Live/Work in !Wolverhampton? Know of an eatery near the Connaught Hotel? Tell me, tell me now! Details at:- http://bit.ly/sPA6qSep 23 20:20
DaemonFCwhy would they mark down a $525 watch to $100Sep 23 20:21
DaemonFCand then knock $25 off that with the Amazon coupon?Sep 23 20:21
_goblinI am still swearing by Chromium.....I won't go back to FF.Sep 23 20:24
MinceRbut it's forbidden to swear! ;)Sep 23 20:25
_goblinlol..Sep 23 20:25
_Hicham__goblin : do u use chromium daily ?Sep 23 20:25
_goblinok.....I oath by ChromiumSep 23 20:26
_goblinand yeah and I use it daily.Sep 23 20:26
_Hicham_no crashes ?Sep 23 20:26
_goblinnone...Sep 23 20:26
_Hicham_no system freeze ?Sep 23 20:26
_goblinthe only thing Ive noticed, in the recent builds the ability to accept links from other packages seems to have brokenSep 23 20:27
_Hicham_on which distro are u using it ?Sep 23 20:27
_goblinIm compiling src myself......mainly on WolvixSep 23 20:28
_goblinI do have it running on Ubuntu 8.04 tooSep 23 20:28
_Hicham_how much time does it take to compile it ?Sep 23 20:28
_goblinlol....a while....Sep 23 20:28
_goblinif I get the src in the morning...Sep 23 20:28
_goblinI will leave the machine running whilst Im at work....Sep 23 20:28
_goblinNext build I make Ill time it.Sep 23 20:29
_goblinthere are debs available though for the latest build....  .212 I think.....Sep 23 20:29
_goblinoh and the other moan I have about it....no facility to export bookmarks.....Sep 23 20:30
_goblinyetSep 23 20:30
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_goblinyou can import them ok thoughSep 23 20:30
_Hicham_and no certificates managementSep 23 20:30
_Hicham_u have to do it manuallySep 23 20:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Evidence That #Microsoft is Dying on the #Internet http://bit.ly/4sh074Sep 23 20:30
_goblincurrent build I'm running on this term.... 4.0.213.0Sep 23 20:31
_goblinI like the themes....Sep 23 20:31
_goblinalthough none of them look quite right on my desktop (except the default)Sep 23 20:31
_Hicham_it is well integrated with GTKSep 23 20:32
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_Hicham_it fits nicely in GNOMESep 23 20:32
_goblinI still have FF on my systems (in case of emergency) however Ive not had to use it recently.....Sep 23 20:32
_goblinalthough, theres no replacing Thunderbird!Sep 23 20:32
_Hicham_FF is a must in any machine nowSep 23 20:33
DaemonFChmmm, Invicta has a rating of F according to the Better Business BureauSep 23 20:33
_goblinafter talking with a few others earlier, Ive been having a little play with Alien Arena.....I forgot how much fun it was.Sep 23 20:33
DaemonFCthat probably explains why Amazon is running a clearance all their merchandiseSep 23 20:33
_goblin_Hicham_ : I reckon I could live without it now....Sep 23 20:34
DaemonFCI'm glad I saw that before I clicked to finish the orderSep 23 20:34
_Hicham__goblin : probably u will need it for some websitesSep 23 20:34
_goblintrue.....Sep 23 20:35
_goblinalthough Chromium is a very interesting project and Im pleased to have seen it develop into what it is today.....Sep 23 20:36
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_Hicham__goblin : I don't think that Chromium will be as much extensible and customizable as FFSep 23 20:37
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2A6484E8CMSep 23 20:38
DaemonFChehSep 23 20:38
DaemonFCcon artistsSep 23 20:38
Omar871FF FTW!Sep 23 20:39
_goblin_Hicham_ You are probably right, but the one thing I stayed well away from in FF was all the plugins....I like my software as tight as poss....Sep 23 20:42
_Hicham__goblin : both approaches are rightSep 23 20:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] That Which Does Not Kill Me Makes Me Stranger http://icio.us/ve2cxo amazing article on human enduranceSep 23 20:52
Omar871Stranger? or Stronger?Sep 23 20:53
_goblinlol...yeah I saw that...Sep 23 20:54
_goblinmaybe both...Sep 23 20:54
MinceRiirc it was from one of the new Batman flicksSep 23 20:58
MinceRThe Dark Knight, perhapsSep 23 20:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] BBC highlights the benefits of Opensource....Will Microsoft be happy? http://twtn.net/qe4p #microsoft #windows #msoffice #xp #vista #linuxSep 23 20:59
MinceRalso, "That which does not kill you... makes you wish it had."Sep 23 21:04
MinceR(from a Q3A-themed wallpaper)Sep 23 21:04
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MinceRhttp://everything2.com/title/What+doesn%2527t+kill+you+can+only+%66%75%63%6B+you+up+for+a+really%252C+really+long+timeSep 23 21:07
MinceRhttp://everything2.com/title/That+which+does+not+kill+me%252C+makes+me+strongerSep 23 21:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting pretty intensely pissed off with the Nokia Ovi softwares inability to something as simple as backup my phone. Crash, hang, crap.Sep 23 21:10
MinceRoh, here's the quote: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/quotesSep 23 21:11
DaemonFCwell, I just spent $500 on clothesSep 23 21:13
DaemonFCthat went pretty quicklySep 23 21:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Also, Philips, making windows a driver package that will only install if it can find some page on your website first is demented.Sep 23 21:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux ‘Bloated’ Claims Came from #Novell , Debunked http://bit.ly/3DmRubSep 23 21:28
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oiaohmI am hoping devtmpfs makes it.  Lot simpler userspace drivers in initrd if it gets in.Sep 23 22:00
MinceRwhat is devtmpfs?Sep 23 22:00
oiaohmdevtmpfs is another way of doing the /dev directory MinceRSep 23 22:03
oiaohmSince its a tmpfs it exists in ram.   So can become active as soon as the kernel starts running in memory.Sep 23 22:04
oiaohmDoes cause a few head aches for container design but they do need to be addressed at some point anyhow.Sep 23 22:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The plot gets ficker: Lily Allen turns out to be a pretty big music "pirate": http://bit.ly/2lt4jxSep 23 22:26
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trmancoooSep 23 22:36
trmanco71 emails to be filteredSep 23 22:36
schestowitzoiaohm: did you see the post about "bloat"?Sep 23 22:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What is ‘Club SCO’ Doing Near the Linux Foundation with Novell? http://bit.ly/NpMVUSep 23 22:38
oiaohmYep schestowitzSep 23 22:40
oiaohmhttp://blog.fenrus.org/?p=5  I forgot about the upcoming timechart a new tool to locate the pests causing performance problems schestowitz.  So Linux developers are not taking the problem laying down.Sep 23 22:42
schestowitz_goblin: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270663.stmSep 23 22:42
oiaohmThe annoying part adding some of these tools to find performance problems also cause minor speed loss themselves.Sep 23 22:42
oiaohmYes the deal with devil.Sep 23 22:42
oiaohmTo see the problem you have to cause a speed problem.Sep 23 22:43
schestowitz_goblin: see  "Broadband tax 'to be made law'" < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270772.stm >Sep 23 22:44
schestowitzMaybe they just hide copyright tax in hereSep 23 22:44
_goblinschestowitz: Yeah I saw that....since the fact that many people are up in arms about paying the BBC anyway.,...I doubt it will happenSep 23 22:45
schestowitz_goblin: TV is facing real issuesSep 23 22:45
_goblinBroadband tax is the truth behind the filesharing plans......Sep 23 22:45
schestowitzPeople move to the WebSep 23 22:45
_goblinimoSep 23 22:45
schestowitzThen TV tries moving to WebSep 23 22:45
schestowitzThere's no capacitySep 23 22:45
oiaohmCost of Virus damage has to be recovered somehow.Sep 23 22:45
schestowitzSo basically they are friedSep 23 22:45
schestowitzLike newsppaersSep 23 22:45
schestowitzDying business model for them and they can't force taxation for existenceSep 23 22:46
_goblinThe government WILL introduce fines as part of an FPN for filesharing in the future (IMO)Sep 23 22:46
_goblinits just like speeding......a revenue collectorSep 23 22:46
schestowitzOr tax on storage devicesSep 23 22:46
schestowitzThey only give people the green light to doing damagesSep 23 22:46
schestowitzAs if they might as well illegally download stuff and cause security issuesSep 23 22:47
schestowitzIf it's prepaid, then people might find these convenient justificationsSep 23 22:47
schestowitzIt's all very corruptSep 23 22:47
_goblinthe thing is, its at the top....the middlemen carry it out with the best of intentions...IMOSep 23 22:48
_goblinsorry and to be PC ...... "Middlepersons"Sep 23 22:48
schestowitzoiaohm: more of the bloated FUD: http://lifehacker.com/5365396/remains-of-the-day-linux-needs-a-diet-plan-editionSep 23 22:48
schestowitzThe only bloated thing are the claimsSep 23 22:49
oiaohmYes and no.Sep 23 22:49
schestowitz_goblin: yes, exactlySep 23 22:49
oiaohmIt is at least part correct schestowitzSep 23 22:49
oiaohmA Linux diet plan is coming toegther.Sep 23 22:49
schestowitzYou can't make it much thinner over timeSep 23 22:49
schestowitzIt grows wit hardwareSep 23 22:49
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schestowitzMac OS X too must be getting "bloated"Sep 23 22:49
oiaohmYou can make it use cpu time way better schestowitzSep 23 22:49
trmanco:)Sep 23 22:50
trmancohttp://lifehacker.com/5365396/remains-of-the-day-linux-needs-a-diet-plan-editionSep 23 22:50
phIRCe[Title] Remains of the Day: Linux Needs a Diet Plan Edition - Remainders - Lifehacker .::. Estimated Size: 0 KBSep 23 22:50
oiaohmThere is a lot of wasted cpu time.Sep 23 22:50
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitzSep 23 22:50
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to trmancoSep 23 22:50
trmancohttp://google.comSep 23 22:50
phIRCe[Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KBSep 23 22:50
trmancowtfSep 23 22:50
schestowitztrmanco: see aboveSep 23 22:50
trmancothis was just working minutes agoSep 23 22:51
schestowitzbeat you to it by minutesSep 23 22:51
trmancoI was just testing :-PSep 23 22:51
schestowitzA lot of people already read BN's rebuttal to itSep 23 22:51
oiaohmAlso scary linus is refering to sections equal to big kernel lock.Sep 23 22:51
schestowitzLOLSep 23 22:51
schestowitz[22:50] <phIRCe> [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KBSep 23 22:51
oiaohmThat need to be cleaned up.Sep 23 22:51
trmancohehSep 23 22:51
schestowitztrmanco: maybe your bot will become a hit in more channelsSep 23 22:51
trmancoit's giving me an errorSep 23 22:52
schestowitzDoes it still police language?Sep 23 22:52
trmancoyesSep 23 22:52
oiaohmNow sad part is MS needs a diet plan larger than the Linux one.Sep 23 22:52
trmancoin a weird way, but yeahSep 23 22:52
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27938&Itemid=53Sep 23 22:52
phIRCe[Title] iTWire - Ellison: Sun losing millions, keeping MySQL .::. Estimated Size: 0 KBSep 23 22:52
trmancothe file is 0 bytesSep 23 22:52
trmancoand it can't write to 0 bytes  hehSep 23 22:52
trmancomaybe I will have to truncate it to 1 byte on quit :-PSep 23 22:53
trmancohttp://google.comSep 23 22:53
phIRCe[Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KBSep 23 22:53
trmancohttp://google.comSep 23 22:54
phIRCe[Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KBSep 23 22:54
trmancowtfSep 23 22:54
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schestowitzOSI linked to BN again... http://opensource.org/node/467Sep 23 22:58
schestowitzhttp://ubuntumanual.org/posts/246/installing-wallpaper-clock-in-ubuntu-in-3-simple-stepsSep 23 22:59
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trmancohttp://google.comSep 23 23:00
phIRCe[Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 6.9 KBSep 23 23:00
trmancoahSep 23 23:00
trmancoI think I know why nowSep 23 23:00
trmancohttp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2.0.0.20-candidates/build1/firefox-2.0.0.20.zh-TW.linux-i686.tar.gzSep 23 23:01
phIRCe[Title] Not a web page! Aborting... .::. Estimated Size: Too big!Sep 23 23:01
trmanco:)Sep 23 23:01
trmancohttp://opensource.org/node/467Sep 23 23:01
phIRCe[Title] Open Source Software Can Save India $2 BN/year--At least! | Open Source Initiative .::. Estimated Size: 13.11 KBSep 23 23:01
trmancocoolSep 23 23:01
trmancohttp://bit.ly/UjFbnSep 23 23:01
phIRCe[Title] Likewise: Microsoft Embraces and Extends Samba with Software Patents? | Boycott Novell .::. Estimated Size: 106.42 KBSep 23 23:01
trmanco:)Sep 23 23:01
_goblinhooray!Sep 23 23:02
_goblinI just got kicked from Linsux chat....Sep 23 23:02
trmanco10 hours of scriptingSep 23 23:02
trmancoare all around thisSep 23 23:02
_goblinI asked them to comment on Mr Wong's retraction.....Sep 23 23:02
trmancoand regexpSep 23 23:02
MinceRhttp://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/tmp/test.htmlSep 23 23:02
phIRCe[Title] A Winnie honlapja .::. Estimated Size: 15.36 KBSep 23 23:02
MinceR:/Sep 23 23:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://ping.fm/UXDon [ testing the code of @trmanco ]Sep 23 23:02
trmancomehSep 23 23:03
MinceRhttp://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/tmp/test.htmlSep 23 23:03
phIRCe[Title] A Winnie honlapja .::. Estimated Size: 15.36 KBSep 23 23:03
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trmancolalalal lulululu http://ping.fm/UXDon mehSep 23 23:03
phIRCe[Title] Ubuntu Karmic: The good stuff .::. Estimated Size: 33.88 KBSep 23 23:03
trmanco:|Sep 23 23:03
trmancoahSep 23 23:03
trmancoI know whySep 23 23:03
trmancoschestowitz: it won't work because it's a noticeSep 23 23:04
MinceRhttp://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/tmp/test.htmlSep 23 23:04
phIRCe[Title] A Winnie honlapja .::. Estimated Size: 15.36 KBSep 23 23:04
trmancoMinceR: what are you trying to do?Sep 23 23:04
schestowitzhttp://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8045255507.html?kc=rssSep 23 23:04
phIRCe[Title] IBM launches Ubuntu-based distro in Africa .::. Estimated Size: 40.46 KBSep 23 23:04
MinceRnever mindSep 23 23:04
EDavidBurgSo, you guys accept donations?Sep 23 23:04
trmancoschestowitz: if you can change the bnc bot to say PRIVMSG instead of NOTICE than it will workSep 23 23:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] LOL, Linsux chat? 7 users in total! Linsux and its 7 users wants donations!!?!? What on earth for? #fail #microsoftSep 23 23:04
_goblinEDavidBurg: who me?Sep 23 23:05
EDavidBurgBN. do you guys accept donations?Sep 23 23:05
schestowitzEDavidBurg: would anyone donate?Sep 23 23:05
EDavidBurgschestowitz: I would, if you guys have donations.Sep 23 23:05
trmanconeatSep 23 23:05
_goblinLinsux wants donations according to their "site"Sep 23 23:06
schestowitzWe could set something up. Currently it's run on a donated serverSep 23 23:06
_goblinRoy, do you know EDavidBurg?Sep 23 23:06
EDavidBurg_goblin: I think they were wanting to buy an IPB licenseSep 23 23:06
MinceRewSep 23 23:06
_goblinahSep 23 23:06
MinceRinvision failboard isn't worth a centSep 23 23:06
_goblinThey think it is.....all 7 usersSep 23 23:07
schestowitzEDavidBurg: we might accept donations in the future, that would be welcome, thanksSep 23 23:07
schestowitzI've rejected donations for years because I thought it might reduce trust in usSep 23 23:07
_goblinlol..... 7 users......Vista 7.....proof they are the MS faithful? ;)Sep 23 23:07
trmancoMinceR: you are rightSep 23 23:07
oiaohmPeople have short memorys.Sep 23 23:08
oiaohmAll OS's look good when new.Sep 23 23:08
_goblinexcept Vista......exception proves rule I suppose...Sep 23 23:08
oiaohmEven VistaSep 23 23:08
oiaohmThere were people who said it was good for the first 3 months then hated it.Sep 23 23:08
cubezzzschestowitz, how long has boycottnovell been around?Sep 23 23:09
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schestowitztrmanco: PRIVMSG  would trigger people's alarms in the IRC clientsSep 23 23:09
schestowitzcubezzz: since Nov 2006 (Novell deal)Sep 23 23:09
trmancoand?Sep 23 23:09
trmancono big deal :-PSep 23 23:09
schestowitzI did avcocacy for some time before thatSep 23 23:09
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trmancothe notice also trigger my alarm :-PSep 23 23:09
oiaohmThat is supprising to a lot of people _goblin.  That people can disregard major pests for 3 months.Sep 23 23:09
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trmancohttp://google.comSep 23 23:10
phIRCe[Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KBSep 23 23:10
trmancodamnSep 23 23:10
oiaohmIe the idea that fault is 1 off idea and I will never see it again works for the first 3 months _goblinSep 23 23:10
_goblinhello ldpSep 23 23:10
ldpHello _goblinSep 23 23:10
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ldpNice joint you have here.Sep 23 23:11
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EDavidBurgldp: drugs are badSep 23 23:11
_goblinfor the info of this channel I believe ldp is from Linsux chat....Sep 23 23:11
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trmancohttp://google.comSep 23 23:11
phIRCe[Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 6.88 KBSep 23 23:11
trmancoahSep 23 23:11
_goblinldp....I hope you havent left that channel....there will be only 6 users.....Sep 23 23:11
trmancoI seeSep 23 23:11
schestowitzBrilliant: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/09/bob-sutor-here-are-your-dead-ends.htmlSep 23 23:11
phIRCe[Title] Blog of helios: Bob Sutor - Here are your "Dead Ends" .::. Estimated Size: 117.71 KBSep 23 23:11
oiaohmhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4047  Hello They are starting the Next OS slog already and Windows 7 is not released yet.Sep 23 23:12
phIRCe[Title] All about Microsoft mobile edition .::. Estimated Size: 8.53 KBSep 23 23:12
ldp_goblin: I have not.Sep 23 23:12
trmancoI better use a tmpfile() and not really a real file :|Sep 23 23:12
_goblingood....they need all the help they can get.Sep 23 23:12
schestowitzoiaohm: BN has a category called "Vista 8"Sep 23 23:12
schestowitzI have quite a collection of posts that show the vapourware tacticsSep 23 23:13
oiaohmand something is also up 2011?  OS release.  That is a full year ahead of MS time table.Sep 23 23:13
schestowitzThey started this around AprilSep 23 23:13
oiaohm2012 should be at earlised next MS OS.Sep 23 23:13
oiaohmWith how late Windows 7 is on release 2013 would be more like the correct place.Sep 23 23:14
phIRCehey look at me, I can talkSep 23 23:14
trmanco:)Sep 23 23:14
oiaohmBy the time of Vista 8 Linux should be at full speed.Sep 23 23:16
schestowitzBravo to Ken...Sep 23 23:16
EDavidBurgIsn't XP supported until 2014? I heard that somewhereSep 23 23:16
schestowitzIBM could use some toppling for their spiel with Linux - their advocacy of software patents and use of FUD to sell only IBM's own version of LinuxSep 23 23:16
oiaohmEDavidBurg: ment to be 2012Sep 23 23:17
oiaohmBut MS has already refused to patch things in XP.Sep 23 23:17
schestowitzDisable to patch :-)Sep 23 23:17
oiaohmSo I would say support for XP is ending this year.Sep 23 23:17
EDavidBurgSeems like 13 years is an awfully long time to support one OS...Sep 23 23:17
EDavidBurg11 is still too long.Sep 23 23:17
schestowitzoiaohm: maybe they can disable one feature per monthSep 23 23:17
schestowitzUntil it's JeOSSep 23 23:17
schestowitzJust enough OSSep 23 23:17
schestowitzIt bootSep 23 23:17
schestowitzDisable IE6Sep 23 23:18
MinceRwhat's ibm's version of linux?Sep 23 23:18
schestowitzDisable WMP...Sep 23 23:18
oiaohmRedhat MinceRSep 23 23:18
schestowitzMinceR: mainframes with SLESSep 23 23:18
oiaohmOpss both Redhat and SLESSep 23 23:18
MinceRthat's two conflicting answers already :>Sep 23 23:18
schestowitzNoopeSep 23 23:18
schestowitzThey do several productsSep 23 23:18
schestowitzAnd charge a fortune for theseSep 23 23:18
schestowitz5-figure item...Sep 23 23:18
oiaohmAIX is IBMS own UNIX.Sep 23 23:18
schestowitzNo DebianSep 23 23:19
schestowitzzseries runs Linux VMs on AIXSep 23 23:19
oiaohmIBM will not in house there own Linux.Sep 23 23:19
schestowitzIBM uses competition outside to game the prices downSep 23 23:19
oiaohmyet IBM sends documentent writers and maintainers out in the Linux world on different projects.Sep 23 23:19
schestowitzThat's why it's said to have paid Novell to buy SUSESep 23 23:19
schestowitzTo keep Red Hat less powerfulSep 23 23:20
oiaohmNot exactly paid in advance. schestowitzSep 23 23:20
oiaohmIBM gave Novell an agreement to sell SUSE if they aquired it.Sep 23 23:21
oiaohmIBM don't trust Novell either.Sep 23 23:21
schestowitzNew Study Reveals (Duh) Very Few People Will Pay For News Online < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0424456278.shtml >Sep 23 23:22
phIRCe[Title] New Study Reveals (Duh) Very Few People Will Pay For News Online | Techdirt .::. Estimated Size: 47.25 KBSep 23 23:22
EDavidBurgIt's amazing what studies are "needed" forSep 23 23:22
schestowitzIt helpsSep 23 23:22
schestowitzYou can cite somethingSep 23 23:22
schestowitzRather than rely on gut feelingSep 23 23:22
MinceRtesting  http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0424456278.shtmlSep 23 23:23
phIRCe[Title] New Study Reveals (Duh) Very Few People Will Pay For News Online | Techdirt .::. Estimated Size: 47.25 KBSep 23 23:23
oiaohmGut feeling can be badly wrong schestowitzSep 23 23:23
oiaohmIts a bit like Linux maintainers wanting benchmarks to make sure there gut feeling where the problem was is right.Sep 23 23:24
oiaohmLike who would thing that it could be extreamly hard to give away 100 dollar bill in a mall just by walking up to person and offering it.Sep 23 23:24
oiaohmthing/thinkSep 23 23:25
oiaohmYou will most likely have to offer it to 200 people to get it taken.Sep 23 23:25
EDavidBurgwell, they probably assume it's a dupe or counterfeitSep 23 23:25
oiaohmYet most people gut feeling would say something like that was simple todo.Sep 23 23:26
oiaohmIe the who would not like free money logic.Sep 23 23:26
oiaohmI still like 1 billion air in this country.   He does not dress rich.  Ok you are rich so you can dress how ever you like.  He end up having to employ a front person so he could give away money.Sep 23 23:27
oiaohmYes stupid.Sep 23 23:27
oiaohmBut its how the world works.Sep 23 23:28
schestowitzPolice ready to 'take on' commenters, chief says http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/09/18/0918comments.htmlSep 23 23:28
phIRCe[Title] Police ready to 'take on' commenters, chief says .::. Estimated Size: 66.04 KBSep 23 23:28
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schestowitztrmanco: to change "Notice" I'd have to ascend to libraries above the level of twitfolk it seems...Sep 23 23:29
schestowitzI've looked at the code, it's more complicated then I thought (to modify)Sep 23 23:29
trmancowhere can I have a peak?Sep 23 23:29
_Hicham_schestowitz : what is the code to modify ?Sep 23 23:30
schestowitzPerl stuffSep 23 23:30
schestowitzBNc botSep 23 23:30
_goblinschestowitz: "People who misrepresent themselves as officials in online comments could face civil, criminal penalties, Acevedo says."  - theres already law in the UK to cover that....Sep 23 23:30
schestowitztrmanco: peek at their svnSep 23 23:30
schestowitzHold on.Sep 23 23:30
_goblinIts an offence to impersonate both Police and legal rep in the UK......Sep 23 23:31
schestowitzhttp://lists.bitfolk.com/lurker/message/20090726.040715.a275734f.en.htmlSep 23 23:31
phIRCe[Title] [twitfolk-dev] [979] twitfolk/trunk/README: blurb .::. Estimated Size: 10.79 KBSep 23 23:31
schestowitzhttps://svn.bitfolk.com/view/?rev=979&view=revSep 23 23:31
oiaohmhttp://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/09/linux-game-repository-with-gui-djl.html  << Ok this is getting interesting.Sep 23 23:31
phIRCe[Title] Linux Game Repository With a GUI: DJL ~ Web Upd8 .::. Estimated Size: 147.06 KBSep 23 23:31
trmancothanksSep 23 23:32
oiaohmI am starting to find phIRCe annoying.Sep 23 23:32
schestowitzWhy?Sep 23 23:33
schestowitzI find it informativeSep 23 23:33
schestowitzIndication of whether the link is interesting or notSep 23 23:33
trmanco$self->privmsg()Sep 23 23:34
trmancohehSep 23 23:34
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schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0507176281.shtmlSep 23 23:36
phIRCe[Title] Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista!  Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Estimated Size: 63.98 KBSep 23 23:36
trmancoI can't find it :|Sep 23 23:36
oiaohmIts just me.  I would have done Size~: Not Estimated Size and [Title] as Title:   [] are very much like shouting look at me.Sep 23 23:36
oiaohmAnd I don't want to be auto reading the word title over and over again.Sep 23 23:37
trmanco$self->notice('#' . $config{channel}, sprintf("[%s/\@%s] %s",Sep 23 23:38
trmanco$nick, $screen_name, encode("utf8", $text)));Sep 23 23:38
trmancomaybe change that to privmsgSep 23 23:38
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trmancothe syntax is the sameSep 23 23:38
trmancooiaohm: okSep 23 23:39
trmancogive me a momentSep 23 23:39
trmanco!quit phIRCeSep 23 23:40
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trmancohttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0507176281.shtmlSep 23 23:41
phIRCeTitle: Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista!  Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.98 KBSep 23 23:41
trmancooiaohm: better?Sep 23 23:41
oiaohmYes thanks trmancoSep 23 23:41
trmanco:)Sep 23 23:41
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schestowitzI changed the codeSep 23 23:42
trmancookSep 23 23:42
trmancotest coming upSep 23 23:42
BNc[trmanco] http://is.gd/3BTuD TEstingSep 23 23:42
BNc[schestowitz] When trademark can become insane http://ping.fm/vPufGSep 23 23:42
phIRCeTitle: Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista!  Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.98 KBSep 23 23:43
phIRCeTitle: Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista!  Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.98 KBSep 23 23:43
trmancohehSep 23 23:43
trmancoseeSep 23 23:43
trmanco:DSep 23 23:43
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schestowitzIt's like two bots talking to one another, which speak to Twitter APISep 23 23:44
schestowitzAnd Twitter API comes from my KDE desktop or another mashupSep 23 23:44
trmancoI finally managed to manage the bot privatelySep 23 23:45
schestowitzWhat's amazing is the coincidence of the two tests happening at the same time with same URLSep 23 23:45
schestowitzI thought it was a bug in your codeSep 23 23:45
trmancoAFAIK, it won't miss a lineSep 23 23:45
trmancobut it will miss multiple links in one lineSep 23 23:46
oiaohmThat is most likely a good bug.Sep 23 23:46
trmancohttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0507176281.shtml Weee http://google.comSep 23 23:46
phIRCeTitle: Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista!  Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.98 KBSep 23 23:46
trmancoit's not a bugSep 23 23:46
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/23/eminem-appleSep 23 23:46
trmanco404?Sep 23 23:47
oiaohmSince in my worst muching around with freenode I go 50 http:// in 1 line trmancoSep 23 23:47
schestowitztrmanco: it contains the word "Apple"Sep 23 23:47
trmancohehSep 23 23:47
schestowitzObscene wordSep 23 23:47
oiaohmYes a few of them got one particular annoying bot out of changle the hardway.Sep 23 23:47
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to phIRCeSep 23 23:47
trmancomy regexp is not bulletproofSep 23 23:47
*schestowitz assumes it's also a profanity filterishSep 23 23:47
trmancoyesSep 23 23:48
*phIRCe removes channel operator status from trmancoSep 23 23:48
trmancollookSep 23 23:48
trmanco:)Sep 23 23:48
schestowitzIt will keep wallclimber from saying rude words :-pSep 23 23:48
oiaohmHmmSep 23 23:48
*phIRCe sets ban on trmanco.!*@*Sep 23 23:48
trmancoLOLSep 23 23:48
trmancoseeSep 23 23:48
trmanconobody now who did itSep 23 23:48
wallclimberhey!  i never say bad words...  :)Sep 23 23:48
trmanconows*Sep 23 23:48
schestowitzwallclimber: not yet, you don't....Sep 23 23:49
*phIRCe removes ban on trmanco.!*@*Sep 23 23:49
wallclimberi only say words badly...Sep 23 23:49
wallclimberlolSep 23 23:49
wallclimberI know, if I hang around here long enough I'll start cussin'.Sep 23 23:49
schestowitzThis one is embarrassing for Europe: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1555933/net-neutrality-curbed-euSep 23 23:50
oiaohmWorst nightmare for me would be a channel that banned due to miss spelling.Sep 23 23:50
trmancomehSep 23 23:50
schestowitzwallclimber: no, we're less rude than we used to be after trouble makers changes their waysSep 23 23:50
trmancosomething wrong with those 2 linksSep 23 23:50
wallclimberwho is miss spelling?Sep 23 23:50
wallclimber:)Sep 23 23:51
schestowitzIn 2008 [H]omer had to kick some trolls who tried to ruin the channelSep 23 23:51
oiaohmMe and english are not friends ok  wallclimberSep 23 23:51
wallclimber:D  I totally under standSep 23 23:51
schestowitzoiaohm: like Google's "virus" filter flagging all as maliciousSep 23 23:51
trmancothe links matchSep 23 23:52
trmancomaybe they have some bot protectionSep 23 23:52
schestowitzhttp://boycottxandros.comSep 23 23:52
phIRCeTitle: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.52 KBSep 23 23:52
trmancoI have no user agent maybe it's because of thatSep 23 23:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1555941/coverity-reports-scan-resultsSep 23 23:53
schestowitztrmanco: maybe you b0rked somethingSep 23 23:53
trmanconoSep 23 23:53
trmancothe links match in my regular expressionSep 23 23:53
trmancoit's something on their sideSep 23 23:54
trmancomaybe they are blocking thatSep 23 23:54
trmancowaitSep 23 23:54
trmancohttp://is.gd/3BUm3Sep 23 23:54
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1555761/microsoft-patents-drm-schemeSep 23 23:54
trmancoyesSep 23 23:54
trmancothey block botsSep 23 23:54
trmancohttp://is.gd/3BUpwSep 23 23:55
phIRCeTitle: Google .::. Size~: 6.9 KBSep 23 23:55
trmancoyepSep 23 23:55
schestowitzJust mask it as googlebat 2.1Sep 23 23:55
schestowitz*googlebot evenSep 23 23:55
trmancoI don't know if I canSep 23 23:55
trmancoI'm using file_get_contentsSep 23 23:55
trmancothe only other way would be with curlSep 23 23:56
oiaohmMS DRM scheme patent is a worry.Sep 23 23:56
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schestowitz_Hicham_: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/23/obama-and-gaddafi-address-un-videos-hit-webSep 23 23:56
phIRCeTitle: Obama and Gaddafi Address UN - Videos Hit Web | WebProNews .::. Size~: 29.2 KBSep 23 23:56
oiaohmDon't think music schestowitz think MS Office documents.Sep 23 23:57
_Hicham_schestowitz : gaddafi is the craziest president everSep 23 23:57
schestowitzI know, you told meSep 23 23:57
schestowitzThat's why I pinged youSep 23 23:57

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