| cubezzz | stocks are a bit tricky though, I agree with you there | Sep 28 00:00 |
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| vcent | volatility is good | Sep 28 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | to a point | Sep 28 00:01 |
| vcent | yes | Sep 28 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | too much of almost every metric is bad | Sep 28 00:02 |
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| vcent | Na, it's all good, it's the darwinian natual selection of the finance world, cleans out the bears sterns and bernie madoff's periodically | Sep 28 00:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes and no | Sep 28 00:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | economic downturns I can ignore because I'm not a day trader | Sep 28 00:04 |
| schestowitz | just fyi, vcent is MUTEX. "CPE-124-183-246-211.nsw.bigpond.net.au" | Sep 28 00:04 |
| vcent | schestowitz, im sure there is more thanone person in NSW. | Sep 28 00:05 |
| vcent | I could be wrong, but I dont think so !!! | Sep 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | You underestimate other people's judgment. You style shines through, too. | Sep 28 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: if you dont plan on banning him, who cares | Sep 28 00:06 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: he keeps nymshifting and finding paths. | Sep 28 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes not ignore evading for me | Sep 28 00:07 |
| vcent | again, roy how cares ? | Sep 28 00:07 |
| vcent | who* | Sep 28 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | when vcent causes problems then you can ban him | Sep 28 00:07 |
| tessier | Why always wait for the inevitable problems? | Sep 28 00:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | tessier: because roy never bans people when he should | Sep 28 00:08 |
| tessier | Is there any country out there still using the gold standard? Seems like pretty much everyone moved to fiat currency. | Sep 28 00:09 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, I enjoyed the Neil Tyson videos | Sep 28 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | tessier: well, anyone who holds a fiat currency in their vault also has one | Sep 28 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | tessier: its a global economy and its a hybrid of many different systems | Sep 28 00:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | all major government vaults have gold in them... just not enough to cover all the currency | Sep 28 00:10 |
| tessier | Right. So everyone is using fiat currency. | Sep 28 00:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup, basically | Sep 28 00:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the USD doesnt even fluctuate that much compared to some out there | Sep 28 00:12 |
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| twitter1 | yo, is this thing live? | Sep 28 00:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Sep 28 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-GELKzAS8k&feature=channel | Sep 28 00:39 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Naomi Wolf - Not Even Obama Can Take On Special Interests .::. Size~: 168.47 KB | Sep 28 00:39 |
| twitter1 | I have concluded that the sexism attack is a good opportunity for change and advancement of free software. | Sep 28 00:43 |
| twitter1 | Mark did make a sexist comment. He did not do this because he's a bad person, he did this because of a culture that needs to be changed. | Sep 28 00:44 |
| twitter1 | see here http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/25/do-not-boycott-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-73639 | Sep 28 00:45 |
| phIRCe | Title: DONT Boycott Ubuntu | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 189.9 KB | Sep 28 00:45 |
| twitter1 | I think the energy put into these things can be used to throw M$ and other non free software makers on their heads. | Sep 28 00:45 |
| twitter1 | The non free software world has a well deserved bad reputation for hypercompetivity, sexism and other bad behavior. | Sep 28 00:46 |
| twitter1 | Free software is bringing change to that and the whole world by showing that scarcity rules do not apply everywhere, especially to culture. | Sep 28 00:47 |
| twitter1 | The free software world can promise something different and deliver on the promise. | Sep 28 00:50 |
| twitter1 | Big dumb companies have not been able to deliver anything more than long hours and PR slogans. | Sep 28 00:50 |
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| cubezzz | well, this is from memory | Sep 28 00:54 |
| cubezzz | the commodore groups were a lot friendier than the Linux groups | Sep 28 00:54 |
| trmanco | http://www.openbookproject.net/thinkCSpy/ | Sep 28 00:54 |
| phIRCe | Title: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist — How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python v2nd Edition documentation .::. Size~: 4.96 KB | Sep 28 00:54 |
| cubezzz | of course we still had stupid arguments like Amiga is better than Atari | Sep 28 00:55 |
| cubezzz | but the Linux folks could try to be a bit nicer | Sep 28 00:55 |
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| twitter1 | I have never met a nicer bunch of people than those in the free software movement. | Sep 28 01:00 |
| twitter1 | This is remarkable, given the intense hatred thrown at them. | Sep 28 01:00 |
| trmanco | there are good and bad people everywhere | Sep 28 01:00 |
| twitter1 | Yes, and many of those bad people are busy harassing free software people. | Sep 28 01:01 |
| twitter1 | They do it for money. | Sep 28 01:01 |
| twitter1 | Pushing buttons, name calling, anything but write better code. | Sep 28 01:01 |
| trmanco | I mean even in the free software community | Sep 28 01:01 |
| twitter1 | I'm sorry you have run into people like that. | Sep 28 01:02 |
| twitter1 | We can help them. | Sep 28 01:02 |
| trmanco | I'm sure you have already ran into them too | Sep 28 01:02 |
| twitter1 | I've run into some very angry and aggressive people, but never in person. All the gnu/linux people I've ever met in person have been very nice. | Sep 28 01:03 |
| twitter1 | The leaders of the movement are especially generous, gentle and helpful. It is inherent in the culture of sharing that free software is all about. | Sep 28 01:04 |
| twitter1 | Exclusion and competition are inherent in non free software. | Sep 28 01:04 |
| cubezzz | you may be overlooking the egoists | Sep 28 01:05 |
| twitter1 | Ego is healthy but there's no need to dominate others in free software. | Sep 28 01:06 |
| twitter1 | If you have a better way of doing something, you are free to do it. | Sep 28 01:06 |
| twitter1 | and people do all the time. | Sep 28 01:06 |
| twitter1 | The petty flame wars we see are things non free software makers encourage. It's in the slog doc. | Sep 28 01:06 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Sep 28 01:07 |
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| twitter1 | Non free software people consider all other groups "enemies" | Sep 28 01:07 |
| twitter1 | they seek to destroy them because, "Evangelism is War" | Sep 28 01:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | evangelion is war | Sep 28 01:08 |
| *Diablo-D3 snickers | Sep 28 01:08 | |
| twitter1 | Healthy commercial competition does not require this kind of bad attitude. | Sep 28 01:09 |
| twitter1 | Bakers don't hate other bakers, for example. | Sep 28 01:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Kills Another Product and May Alienate Partners http://bit.ly/O2jTV | Sep 28 01:10 | |
| twitter1 | Lawyers are happy to spend time with each other and theoretically work for everyone's best interest. | Sep 28 01:10 |
| twitter1 | Auto mechanics don't try to sabotage the basic tools of other shops. | Sep 28 01:11 |
| cubezzz | not usually :) | Sep 28 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | lawyers are interesting creatures | Sep 28 01:12 |
| twitter1 | Neither do they try to poach each others employees to destroy their competition. We can all do better than tolerate this kind of criminal behavior. | Sep 28 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are, theoretically, the worst of the worst | Sep 28 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet, largely, they only represent the worst of the worst in court | Sep 28 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | I bet even cthulu has legal representation | Sep 28 01:13 |
| twitter1 | If Mark Shuttleworth wants to make something good out of this, he can take the time to decry sexism and bad behavior in the entire industry and take concrete steps to fix things at Canonical and in the Ubuntu community. | Sep 28 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter1: thats the whole fucking problem | Sep 28 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only way to get rid of sexism is to tell women to quit telling people they're women | Sep 28 01:14 |
| twitter1 | He can hire Skud and others like her to monitor the forums and give sensitivity training to those who need it. It can be part of their routine anti-trolling efforts. | Sep 28 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you quit talking about the issue, women can stop bringing it up | Sep 28 01:14 |
| twitter1 | Ubutnu already has the community code in place. They can get people to help them enforce it. | Sep 28 01:14 |
| twitter1 | but mostly, they can help people grow and get over the need to belittle others. | Sep 28 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | this whole sexism issue is just microsoft inserting militant feminists into the foss community | Sep 28 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im tired of it | Sep 28 01:15 |
| twitter1 | This is how culture is changed, through good example. | Sep 28 01:15 |
| twitter1 | The difference between the free software community and the non free software world needs to be pointed out and made more apparent. | Sep 28 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Sep 28 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | the free software community has no time for sexes. | Sep 28 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | the non-free software world does all that boring shit like "dating" and "getting married" and "spawning crotch fruit" | Sep 28 01:17 |
| cubezzz | lol | Sep 28 01:18 |
| twitter1 | Skud already has a list of incidents which include Seagate and other giants. We know about the infamous Slog doc. There's lots of ammunition lying around. | Sep 28 01:18 |
| cubezzz | that sounds seriously Stallmanian | Sep 28 01:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | I enjoy getting laid as the next guy | Sep 28 01:18 |
| twitter1 | thanks | Sep 28 01:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | but holy fucking crap, the "real world" is fucked up | Sep 28 01:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd rather hang out with the foss community... at least what I do here makes the world a better place | Sep 28 01:19 |
| twitter1 | and this is serious | Sep 28 01:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is very serious | Sep 28 01:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | how can we get rid of the real world and make everything foss all the time | Sep 28 01:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | 24/7 awesomesauce | Sep 28 01:20 |
| cubezzz | you would have to get rid of greed itself | Sep 28 01:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | need a cure for cancer? theres an app for that | Sep 28 01:20 |
| twitter1 | that would be nice but it is not required in the software world | Sep 28 01:21 |
| *Diablo-D3 is loling irl atm | Sep 28 01:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | that shouldnt be funny but it is | Sep 28 01:21 |
| twitter1 | In a world that uses nothing but free software, you will always have other options. | Sep 28 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what I hate? | Sep 28 01:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | the term "free software" | Sep 28 01:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not free | Sep 28 01:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just how you pay for it has changed | Sep 28 01:22 |
| twitter1 | If you don't like the people you are working for you can move onto the next job because the industry won't be dominated by a small number of very large companies. | Sep 28 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter1: do you have me on ignore? | Sep 28 01:23 |
| twitter1 | Real competition puts limits on bad behavior. | Sep 28 01:23 |
| *cubezzz eats lots of fibre | Sep 28 01:25 | |
| vcent | optic ? | Sep 28 01:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a shining example of an asshole | Sep 28 01:25 |
| cubezzz | well, bc isn't too portable, no idea why | Sep 28 01:25 |
| twitter1 | you trying to put it on arm? | Sep 28 01:26 |
| cubezzz | twitter1, yeah | Sep 28 01:26 |
| twitter1 | http://www.google.com/search?q=bc+math+arm&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | Sep 28 01:26 |
| twitter1 | the NetBSD people seem to have made it go. | Sep 28 01:27 |
| twitter1 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=debian+package+bc+arm&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Sep 28 01:28 |
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| twitter1 | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/arm/bc/download | Sep 28 01:29 |
| cubezzz | my Linux might be too old | Sep 28 01:30 |
| cubezzz | twitter1, this is fairly old zaurus | Sep 28 01:32 |
| cubezzz | probably old bc would work | Sep 28 01:33 |
| twitter1 | old kernel? | Sep 28 01:33 |
| cubezzz | 2.4.6 | Sep 28 01:34 |
| twitter1 | where did you get it? | Sep 28 01:34 |
| cubezzz | it's what it came with, I bought a used sl-5500 | Sep 28 01:34 |
| twitter1 | ahhhhh. | Sep 28 01:34 |
| twitter1 | You might try OpenZaurus. They had an interesting collection of software, including a GPE edition. They also had a kernel that could deal with the hardware.... I'm not sure how free it was. | Sep 28 01:36 |
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| twitter1 | bbl | Sep 28 01:38 |
| cubezzz | bc itself is old though | Sep 28 01:38 |
| cubezzz | bc-1.06.tar.gz15-Nov-2000 23:21 272K | Sep 28 01:38 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Sep 28 01:38 |
| cubezzz | I'll try the next older one | Sep 28 01:39 |
| cubezzz | it's generating 386 code | Sep 28 01:53 |
| cubezzz | well, there's the prob | Sep 28 01:53 |
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| cubezzz | stupid configure | Sep 28 02:19 |
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| twitter1 | Does anyone know what's going on in the Sharp mobile world besides M$ invasion? | Sep 28 02:29 |
| twitter1 | I like how someone is using the name "the toothfairy" to post on M$ topics. | Sep 28 02:30 |
| twitter1 | the M$ PR people are going to start complaining about the tooth fairy. ha ha, justice. | Sep 28 02:31 |
| cubezzz | netwalker... | Sep 28 02:32 |
| cubezzz | it's linux isn't it? | Sep 28 02:32 |
| cubezzz | http://maxhost.org/blog/linux-blog.html | Sep 28 02:33 |
| twitter1 | someone on Slashdot complains that unpaper does not have "a windows interface" | Sep 28 02:42 |
| twitter1 | this is to flatten his scanned pages | Sep 28 02:42 |
| twitter1 | when you have 300 pages or so, a cli tool is best | Sep 28 02:42 |
| twitter1 | perhaps someone can make a wrapper | Sep 28 02:43 |
| twitter1 | I've never bothered cleaning my pictures. I just make html indexes. | Sep 28 02:43 |
| twitter1 | that way, all i have to load is index thumbnails | Sep 28 02:43 |
| twitter1 | perhaps it's time for me to learn how to process them and make them into a pdf | Sep 28 02:44 |
| twitter1 | I'm not sure I'll like the result better than igal. | Sep 28 02:44 |
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| twitter1 | debian has a manual at /usr/share/doc/unpaper/doc/index.html | Sep 28 02:48 |
| twitter1 | blech, the results were not very good. I've gotten much better with convert. | Sep 28 03:24 |
| twitter1 | I could learn to use the tool but the main problem came from the poor quality conversion of my camera taken pictures. | Sep 28 03:24 |
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| twitter1 | Trying to make those look like a good, high contrast scan is not something I can do well by hand with gimp, so I doubt that I'd be able to make convert and unpapper do better. | Sep 28 03:25 |
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| twitter1 | So, rotate each page with convert, make each page a pdf with convert, use pdfjoin or similar then use konq's print to pdf to make the result something reasonably sized. | Sep 28 03:26 |
| twitter1 | I've done this before and got good results. I may have reduced the size of each page first, but the result is almost always good. | Sep 28 03:27 |
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| Will__ | jono: question for you: Since Ubuntu is based largely around Python, I'm guessing that means 2.x for now. At what point will Ubuntu start moving over to 3.x? And more relevantly, for someone just starting out with Python, would it be better to learn 2.x for now, or go ahead with 3.x and just wait a bit for the other things (numpy,etc) to get ported over? | Sep 28 03:32 |
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| amarsh04 | python 3.X isn't even in Debian unstable yet | Sep 28 03:38 |
| Will__ | amarsh04. Didn't know that. I would have sort of thought it would be there, at least as a side package (no the system python) by now. | Sep 28 03:39 |
| amarsh04 | Debian unstable currently has python 2.5.4-2 | Sep 28 03:41 |
| jono | Will__, to be honest, I am not sure? | Sep 28 03:42 |
| jono | maybe post to ubuntu-devel | Sep 28 03:42 |
| Will__ | Seems kind of a temporary no man's land for new learners at the moment. Learn 2.x, and it might be obsolete before you get good with it. Learn 3.x, and a lot of the addons that make Python really cool aren't there yet. | Sep 28 03:42 |
| amarsh04 | python 2.4.6 is still included in Debian | Sep 28 03:42 |
| amarsh04 | I had fun trying to learn Ada... the first example program in the textbook wouldn't compile on the Meridian pc Ada that was limited to 64k variables | Sep 28 03:44 |
| amarsh04 | was awfully glad that GNU Ada (GNAT) became a reality | Sep 28 03:45 |
| amarsh04 | I wonder if any popular languages at the moment are small enough to completely understand | Sep 28 03:47 |
| amarsh04 | and that includes thoroughly understanding variable scoping, pointers... | Sep 28 03:47 |
| twitter1 | BN is down? | Sep 28 03:53 |
| amarsh04 | it's loading for me now | Sep 28 03:54 |
| vcent | Ada is classic for that, it's much harder to get something to compile, but once you do it's going to work. | Sep 28 03:54 |
| Will__ | i just got in. | Sep 28 03:55 |
| twitter1 | yep it's back, thanks | Sep 28 03:55 |
| amarsh04 | at uni, we had a guest lecture from Vision Systems who do a lot of mission critical Ada work | Sep 28 03:56 |
| tessier | Learn 2.x. It will be with us for a long time. | Sep 28 03:57 |
| tessier | Lots of web frameworks etc written in 2.x | Sep 28 03:57 |
| tessier | I am not even considering writing code in 3.x yet | Sep 28 03:57 |
| vcent | everytime you fly a jet aircraft, your flying by Ada. | Sep 28 03:59 |
| amarsh04 | the vision systems' code includes auto-piloting aircraft carrying laser airborne depth sounders at very low altitude above the sea surface | Sep 28 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2.x what? | Sep 28 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh python | Sep 28 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, python is dead | Sep 28 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | why would anyone learn that | Sep 28 04:03 |
| amarsh04 | when I was at uni, we learned fortran, pascal, cobol, snobol, vax assembler | Sep 28 04:06 |
| cubezzz | how long ago was that amarsh04? | Sep 28 04:07 |
| amarsh04 | early-mid 1980s | Sep 28 04:07 |
| amarsh04 | later on I learned some Ada and Java, but not enough to do useful stuff with them | Sep 28 04:08 |
| cubezzz | BSD? | Sep 28 04:10 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, DEC is defunct now | Sep 28 04:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | java is the only language rally worth knowing anymore | Sep 28 04:11 |
| amarsh04 | VAX/VMS, then DEC Ultrix, then Solaris as os platforms | Sep 28 04:11 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, Linux folk need to know C | Sep 28 04:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | no we dont | Sep 28 04:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | I did 15 years of C | Sep 28 04:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im never doing it again, and Im only doing dev on linux | Sep 28 04:12 |
| cubezzz | I think java programs are written in C++ | Sep 28 04:17 |
| cubezzz | not positive... it sure looks like C and C++ | Sep 28 04:18 |
| cubezzz | java, java_vm, jcontrol | Sep 28 04:18 |
| cubezzz | some games use bytecode | Sep 28 04:19 |
| cubezzz | depends on what you're doing of course but a ton of stuff is C and C++ | Sep 28 04:21 |
| cubezzz | ok, javac is written in java now | Sep 28 04:25 |
| amarsh04 | Springfield (.nz) do-nut set on fire | Sep 28 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh shut up cubezzz | Sep 28 04:31 |
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| twitter1 | ick. the bottle of vodka at the vista roll out party gave me an eerie feeling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group) | Sep 28 04:42 |
| twitter1 | Perhaps Vista 8 will be designed by Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles. Everything will be labeled, the thinking will already be done for you, computers will mediate every conversation, just relax and do what you are told. | Sep 28 04:43 |
| twitter1 | Heaven's Gate was more frugal than David Gerrard's suggestion. Instead of a gun with a single bullet, they used plastic bags. | Sep 28 04:45 |
| twitter1 | cheap and recyclable. | Sep 28 04:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | what about whoever with the magic koolaid | Sep 28 04:45 |
| cubezzz | Heaven's Gate was hard to understand | Sep 28 04:49 |
| twitter1 | So is Windows | Sep 28 04:50 |
| cubezzz | Jim Jones and cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid | Sep 28 04:56 |
| cubezzz | yeah, that's strange stuff | Sep 28 04:56 |
| twitter1 | ah the cult classics | Sep 28 05:04 |
| twitter1 | bbl | Sep 28 05:04 |
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| cubezzz | bc ported | Sep 28 05:56 |
| twitter1 | cool | Sep 28 05:57 |
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| Guest60949 | hmm...how come my name is wrong? (wondering aloud here, so to speak), it says i'm now known as Guest60949, but that ain't me... | Sep 28 06:15 |
| cubezzz | nick collision maybe | Sep 28 06:16 |
| cubezzz | try changing your nick | Sep 28 06:16 |
| Guest60949 | lol...and i didn't feel a thing! (wallclimber now has amnesia and doesn't know who she is) | Sep 28 06:17 |
| twitter1 | try "/nick wallclimber" | Sep 28 06:17 |
| Guest60949 | ok | Sep 28 06:17 |
| twitter1 | try "/nick pbj" | Sep 28 06:17 |
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| twitter1 | poor wallclimber | Sep 28 06:34 |
| Guest9793 | hey, i'm just incognito | Sep 28 06:34 |
| twitter1 | might want to try wallclimbing instead | Sep 28 06:34 |
| Guest9793 | :) | Sep 28 06:34 |
| twitter1 | or climbingthewalls | Sep 28 06:34 |
| twitter1 | or ... you get the idea | Sep 28 06:35 |
| twitter1 | there's a way to register nicknames, I forgot how | Sep 28 06:35 |
| Guest9793 | i'll be doing the wallclimbing starting on wednesday...building a small scaffold then, because i'm too short to paint tall walls... | Sep 28 06:35 |
| twitter1 | ah, you really are a wallclimber | Sep 28 06:35 |
| Guest9793 | yes! I am. | Sep 28 06:36 |
| twitter1 | well, here's something to amuse. Police catch themselves with a drug dealer's rooted computer. http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/21/undercover-drug-investigators-embarrass-polk-sheri/ | Sep 28 06:36 |
| twitter1 | Windows is a detective's best friend, until it's not. | Sep 28 06:36 |
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| Guest9793 | regarding my mysterious nick change, it seems like it happened once before and i don't remember that it was difficult to fix...because i fixed it. but i can't figure this one out | Sep 28 06:38 |
| cubezzz | registered nick | Sep 28 06:38 |
| cubezzz | someone else may have registered it, then after 30 seconds you lose it | Sep 28 06:38 |
| twitter1 | on tobacco, Clove cigarettes are now banned because they appeal to children http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/health/policy/23fda.html?hpw | Sep 28 06:39 |
| twitter1 | good riddance, those things are awful. | Sep 28 06:40 |
| Guest9793 | yes, it does tell me that i failed to identify in time, but i don't know what it means. it happened, i think earlier this afternoon. | Sep 28 06:40 |
| twitter1 | They got popular back in the 80s and there was a wave of kids with golf ball sized cysts in their lungs over it. | Sep 28 06:40 |
| Guest9793 | oh well, i'll figure it out tomorrow when i'm not so tired... | Sep 28 06:40 |
| twitter1 | they gave people terrible infections because many were made from expired and moldy spices | Sep 28 06:41 |
| Guest9793 | good night all... :) | Sep 28 06:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @eduvid: Good way to celebrate Dusshera RT: @renukaprasadb: aayudhapooja - Formatting and Blessing one of my laptop with GNU /Linux | Sep 28 07:15 | |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 28 07:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17853-lack-of-sleep-linked-to-alzheimers.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news | Sep 28 07:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #Xbox 360 Blows (Extending #Microsoft ’s Financial Losses) http://bit.ly/3C0cdn | Sep 28 08:17 | |
| cubezzz | ported ncurses :) | Sep 28 08:23 |
| cubezzz | a bit harder, but worth it | Sep 28 08:24 |
| cubezzz | now I can do top | Sep 28 08:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ‘Fixes’ Windows #Vista and Windows #Server 2008 by Disabling Entire Features http://bit.ly/X5BHY | Sep 28 08:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @achitnis: Open Source software is not gratis - it is priceless. Use it to enable your business, not to cut your expenses. | Sep 28 08:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Offers Gentle Bribes to People Who Mention #Vista7 in #Twitter http://bit.ly/3AFvsW | Sep 28 09:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://bit.ly/zfyrm | Sep 28 09:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Confirms Windows Mobile Has Kill Switch and Remote Deletion Built in http://bit.ly/zfyrm | Sep 28 09:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #Google Chase Gets Harder http://bit.ly/10opED | Sep 28 10:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Blasts #Microsoft for Spreading “Fabricated” Figures http://bit.ly/7pNs8 | Sep 28 11:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Microsoft Vice President Abandons Microsoft But Lands in #Cisco http://bit.ly/2lzzFe | Sep 28 11:44 | |
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| satipera | This thread made me chuckle http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12554-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=69179&messageID=1322309 | Sep 28 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont have the words to describe what I feel right now | Sep 28 11:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] subcultural objects = marketing "social objects" http://is.gd/3Kj4w this explains way too much | Sep 28 11:59 | |
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| satipera | This made me laugh, http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12554-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=69179&messageID=1322309 | Sep 28 12:02 |
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| satipera | http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/technews/24353/plan-to-accelerate-open-source-usage | Sep 28 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | schestowitz: Microsoft will bribe the right people | Sep 28 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Or offer gifts | Sep 28 12:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Signs Another Potentially Illegal Deal with the #UK Government, #EU Commission Asleep at the Wheel http://bit.ly/lcxX1 | Sep 28 12:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A personal question for my readers: You know me. What's my Mount Everst, in your opinion? http://is.gd/3KmVC | Sep 28 12:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Banks on Getting Close to #Government Officials http://bit.ly/ITM4i | Sep 28 13:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: @sankarshan @nakulshenoy @jackerhack No one really knows what it the UID is as yet, do they? It's all shootin' in the dark. | Sep 28 13:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: @sankarshan @nakulshenoy @jackerhack It's a number. It's a card. It's a fingeprint. It's an identifier. It's an authenticator. I | Sep 28 13:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Gauravonomics: Great post by Seth Godin on why non-profits are terrible at adopting social technologies http://bit.ly/cLDbx | Sep 28 13:46 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Sep 28 13:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The truth about Israel is getting harder to hide: http://enpassant.com.au/?p=4994 (A must read!) | Sep 28 13:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Hetlers skull..??! http://bit.ly/jBtF2 | Sep 28 13:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Open Source is Dead. Long Live Free Software” http://bit.ly/Koch8 | Sep 28 14:15 | |
| schestowitz | Shareholders Approve Takeover of Medialink Worldwide < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8579 > | Sep 28 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. http://msmvps.com/blogs/alunj/archive/2009/09/26/1727475.aspx | Sep 28 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8274530.stm | Sep 28 14:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tweaktown.com/news/13216/google_slaps_cyanogen_dev_with_cease_and_desist_order/ | Sep 28 14:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/28/microsoft_buys_isc_carcass/ | Sep 28 14:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/currency-swaps-dollar-and-tilted-playing-field/28224 | Sep 28 15:01 |
| schestowitz | "Here we might note that the startling run of dollar strength that caught so many investors off guard (but not Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan, it should be noted) began just in front the steep, half-trillion US dollar currency swap operation that began in earnest in fall of 2008." | Sep 28 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Keep Gitmo open < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/25/guantanamo-bay-obama-civil-liberties > | Sep 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz | G20 leaders map out new economic order at Pittsburgh summit < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/25/g20-summit-economy-bonuses-deficits > | Sep 28 15:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The importance of Free Software. http://bit.ly/iRyJ6 | Sep 28 15:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Kraft names new Vegemite: "Axle Grease Shit 2.0" http://is.gd/3KEnk #vegefail @isnack20 | Sep 28 15:29 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: heh. He posted a repsponse like I did... we fed a troll. | Sep 28 15:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dear Kraft @isnack20: you are a pack of c*nts, just fucking die right now. http://twitter.com/isnack20/status/4439912609 | Sep 28 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | Heh. "guidance and navigation unit (GNU)" guidance and navigation unit (GNU) | Sep 28 15:38 |
| schestowitz | http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/369461/32/ARTCL/none/INDNW/1/Rugged-embedded-GPS-receivers-for-anti-jam-munitions-guidance-introduced-by-IEC/ | Sep 28 15:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: What exactly are you talking about? | Sep 28 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Moody article | Sep 28 15:40 |
| schestowitz | You twitted it | Sep 28 15:40 |
| schestowitz | se http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/28/long-live-free-software/ | Sep 28 15:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/50-handy-ubuntu-time-saving-tips-482714 | Sep 28 15:42 |
| schestowitz | UK warned as plague of bee-eating hornets spreads north in France < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/25/predatory-hornet-sighting-paris-france > | Sep 28 15:50 |
| schestowitz | http://spittoon.23andme.com/2009/09/25/new-genetic-analysis-sheds-light-on-origins-of-indian-castes/ | Sep 28 15:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Let me withdraw that previous tweet: @isnack20 is a parody account. d'oh! | Sep 28 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | A 3D projection of a 5-cell performing a double rotation about two orthogonal planes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:5-cell.gif | Sep 28 15:59 |
| schestowitz | The Butterfly Nebula from Upgraded Hubble < http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090910.html > | Sep 28 16:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz:Wow, I though Matt Asay was pro-free software. | Sep 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz | No. | Sep 28 16:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog//2009-09/2009-09-26.html | Sep 28 16:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: That's too bad. | Sep 28 16:02 |
| MinceR | he's only pro-crApple and perhaps pro-m$ | Sep 28 16:03 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: Well, Glyn Moody is always capable of refuting his lies. :) | Sep 28 16:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tangdynastytimes.com/2008/10/the-road-to-oxi.html | Sep 28 16:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not pro-Microsoft | Sep 28 16:09 |
| schestowitz | He's critcical t/w Microsoft where his business is cocnerned | Sep 28 16:10 |
| schestowitz | IOW, if Microsoft gives him no api scecs, then he complains | Sep 28 16:10 |
| schestowitz | I generally just worry about people believing his identity as FOSS person | Sep 28 16:10 |
| schestowitz | There are many types of people out there who speak for different 'FOSSes' | Sep 28 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is among those groups | Sep 28 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Some just offer APIs to gave THEM free stuff and then call it OSS | Sep 28 16:11 |
| schestowitz | So there are many different types of 'open;' | Sep 28 16:11 |
| Omar87 | In one word: "Hypocrite". | Sep 28 16:11 |
| schestowitz | The post links to by Omar87 is good | Sep 28 16:11 |
| schestowitz | "Moreover, if the term “open source” becomes devalued, coders and users will become disillusioned, and start to desert it. The former will find the sharing increasingly asymmetric, as their contributions are taken with little given in return (something that may well happen even to open source companies using the GNU GPL if they demand that contributors cede their copyright, as most currently do). Users will similarly discover | Sep 28 16:11 |
| schestowitz | that some of these new-style “blurred” open source applications fail to deliver the promised benefits of control, customisation and cost-savings." | Sep 28 16:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 64 ounce cupful please http://is.gd/3KIFR | Sep 28 16:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8277378.stm | Sep 28 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/q-and-a/2250184/fix-ubuntu-auto-updates | Sep 28 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Apple fanboys article spreads myths, | Sep 28 16:55 |
| schestowitz | "The concept of a user group isn't completely dead. Versions exist throughout the state to cooperate and commiserate on such things as SQL servers or Adobe programs, but these tend to be fairly technical rather than the freewheeling groups of computing's early days." | Sep 28 16:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090927/NEWS01/309279947/-1/YOUTH | Sep 28 16:55 |
| schestowitz | They must not be paying attention to anything that's going on outside the US | Sep 28 16:56 |
| schestowitz | The O'Gara shill has new smear: "The Obese Penguin, How Like Windows" | Sep 28 16:57 |
| schestowitz | MOG still uses hr MUG from the 1920 when she was young | Sep 28 16:58 |
| schestowitz | 1920s, maybe 1930s :-) | Sep 28 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel deletes critics: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Sep-25-1.html | Sep 28 17:21 |
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| trmanco | phirce has logging capabilities now :) | Sep 28 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Where is it? | Sep 28 17:26 |
| trmanco | resting | Sep 28 17:28 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 28 17:28 |
| trmanco | I'll bring it in, in a while | Sep 28 17:28 |
| Omar87 | trmanco: Cool! :) | Sep 28 17:38 |
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| trmanco | there is is | Sep 28 17:46 |
| trmanco | it* | Sep 28 17:46 |
| schestowitz | http://aplawrence.com/Girish/c-programming.html | Sep 28 17:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: The C programming language and its importance .::. Size~: 21.89 KB | Sep 28 17:51 |
| trmanco | C | Sep 28 17:54 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 28 17:54 |
| trmanco | the language of many languages | Sep 28 17:54 |
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| maxstirner1 | MS vista 7 houseparties getting laughed at on commentisfree: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/28/charlie-brooker-microsoft-mac-windows | Sep 28 17:58 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10361764-264.html | Sep 28 18:03 |
| schestowitz | "What's curious is that the Palm Pre, the Google Android operating system, and the iPhone OS all use a browser based on the WebKit project, and Apple is among those working hard to advance the state of the art for Web application programming through its WebKit work. So there is some philosophical agreement along with the differences.' | Sep 28 18:03 |
| phIRCe | Title: Mozilla coders join Palm, apparently jabbing Apple | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 139.67 KB | Sep 28 18:03 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone forgot KHTML.......!! | Sep 28 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Hi, maxstirner1 | Sep 28 18:04 |
| schestowitz | "The most nauseating advert in history? The Windows 7 ‘launch party’" | Sep 28 18:05 |
| maxstirner1 | hello roy, it's maxstirner not sure whos on my actual nick (thought it was reserved) | Sep 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Seinfeld might be a close 2nd. What a fail. | Sep 28 18:05 |
| maxstirner1 | seinfeld/gates was just tragic | Sep 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I didn't pay attention to them | Sep 28 18:05 |
| maxstirner1 | these new ones look positively desperate :D | Sep 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I watch only one Seinfled ad | Sep 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | And a few seconds from others | Sep 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | It's embarassing | Sep 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I can't help closing it | Sep 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Facepalmin | Sep 28 18:05 |
| maxstirner1 | "It's so terrible, it induces an entirely new emotion: a blend of vertigo, disgust, anger and embarrassment which I like to call "shitasmia". It not only creates this emotion: it defines it. It's the most shitasmic cultural artefact in history." | Sep 28 18:06 |
| trmanco | Omar87: learning python? | Sep 28 18:09 |
| schestowitz | maxstirner1: I thought it was intentional | Sep 28 18:09 |
| schestowitz | At first I didn't link to it because I thought it was deliberately made lame, to make it viral. I'm still unsure. | Sep 28 18:10 |
| maxstirner1 | you mean as in needy and sad, trying to get consumer to feel sorry for you? | Sep 28 18:10 |
| maxstirner1 | a ploy! | Sep 28 18:10 |
| maxstirner1 | in the light of seinfeld, i reject your conspiracy theory :D | Sep 28 18:11 |
| MinceR | i think the crApple ads are nauseating too | Sep 28 18:12 |
| schestowitz | maxstirner1: exactly | Sep 28 18:12 |
| schestowitz | re: being petty | Sep 28 18:12 |
| schestowitz | They did that Springsteen stunt last year | Sep 28 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Bu them, there's the Seinfeld thing as you siad | Sep 28 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I hypothesised at the time that it was deliberate strange | Sep 28 18:13 |
| schestowitz | But it turned out that Microsoft canned it TOO | Sep 28 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Which confirmed it was a disaster for them _as well_ | Sep 28 18:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: agreed. | Sep 28 18:13 |
| maxstirner1 | i think that's what theyre saying on commentisfree, annoyed with the apple fanboys "and those pushing other O/S" (gnu presumably) | Sep 28 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I think of an arrogant boy when I think of Apple users, _because_ of these ads | Sep 28 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Or about those unicolour dudes with two wires sticking out of their heads | Sep 28 18:14 |
| maxstirner1 | i get annoyed with the apple sophisticated consumer thing, but at the end of the day they just do very well in a jaded, late-capitalist marketplace | Sep 28 18:15 |
| maxstirner1 | good margin, great brand, monopoly on their hardware, bit like bmw or something | Sep 28 18:15 |
| schestowitz | maxstirner1: must be why they chant "jobs!" | Sep 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | BMW does more engineering | Sep 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | APple is design (in the artsy sense) on gratis and libre code | Sep 28 18:16 |
| maxstirner1 | :D i suppose.. apple did produce a pretty version of a bsd desktop | Sep 28 18:17 |
| schestowitz | They made iTunes though | Sep 28 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Never been a user of it.... | Sep 28 18:17 |
| maxstirner1 | but bmw can have their 10% marketshare, its just MS thats turning into an embarrassing shambles, and they run the world | Sep 28 18:17 |
| schestowitz | maxstirner1: and KHTML (aka 'Safari), CUPS, etc. | Sep 28 18:17 |
| MinceR | pretty? | Sep 28 18:18 |
| maxstirner1 | their mp3players and the itunes monopoly are deeply annoying! | Sep 28 18:18 |
| schestowitz | maxstirner1: world != US | Sep 28 18:18 |
| MinceR | i didn't see their pretty desktop | Sep 28 18:18 |
| schestowitz | typo | Sep 28 18:18 |
| maxstirner1 | well not compared to my gnome of course ;) | Sep 28 18:18 |
| schestowitz | ->petty | Sep 28 18:18 |
| MinceR | only the fisher-price one | Sep 28 18:18 |
| schestowitz | It's just skins | Sep 28 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Ovrlays | Sep 28 18:18 |
| MinceR | (the melt-your-eyes desktop was built on their own crap code) | Sep 28 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Qt is better | Sep 28 18:18 |
| schestowitz | did you guys see the opengl stuff in qt 4.6? | Sep 28 18:18 |
| maxstirner1 | prettier than the unskinnable xp thats been ruling the world for nearly a decade | Sep 28 18:18 |
| MinceR | (and by melt-your-eyes, i mean black-on-white with as much pattern as they could fit) | Sep 28 18:19 |
| schestowitz | skin the leopard | Sep 28 18:29 |
| MinceR | even xp can be made prettier than osx without external tools | Sep 28 18:32 |
| MinceR | (switch to classic style, choose sane colors :> ) | Sep 28 18:33 |
| maxstirner1 | isit! never seen that happening | Sep 28 18:33 |
| maxstirner1 | oh i see | Sep 28 18:33 |
| maxstirner1 | i do that anyway :D | Sep 28 18:33 |
| maxstirner1 | when i supporting peopls xp that is | Sep 28 18:33 |
| schestowitz | It would be interesting to strip OSes off of GUIs | Sep 28 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Then put a common platform on top | Sep 28 18:34 |
| MinceR | osx gives you a choice of few colors for selected text | Sep 28 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Let people judge by merits like filesystem struct | Sep 28 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Mounting | Sep 28 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Boot time... | Sep 28 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Ec. | Sep 28 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Etc. | Sep 28 18:34 |
| MinceR | and that's about it | Sep 28 18:34 |
| schestowitz | And see how each one does after a week | Sep 28 18:34 |
| maxstirner1 | i suppose.. you do get xp / apple skins for kde & gnome dont you? | Sep 28 18:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: networking also | Sep 28 18:35 |
| MinceR | well, windows is way behind almost everything else in terms of filesystems | Sep 28 18:35 |
| schestowitz | maxstirner1: yes... if you're retarde :-) j/k | Sep 28 18:35 |
| MinceR | it's like filesystems are too scary for m$ to even consider changing | Sep 28 18:35 |
| maxstirner1 | i ain't :D | Sep 28 18:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: compat | Sep 28 18:35 |
| schestowitz | And manpower | Sep 28 18:35 |
| schestowitz | See what changing stuff in Vista caused | Sep 28 18:36 |
| MinceR | inability to develop | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Apps stopped working | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | V7 will be the same | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | It's SP3 of V1 | Sep 28 18:36 |
| MinceR | well, the whole platform is a mess | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | It's not | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | It's just antiquated | Sep 28 18:36 |
| MinceR | when you've got apps that expect to be able to write under \progra~1, you know you're in trouble :> | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Like legacy stuff | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Same with their development classes | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | it's a mess | Sep 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz | too much obsolescence. Ask WINE | Sep 28 18:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Grows Bigger in #Televisions http://bit.ly/lK0Pq | Sep 28 18:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ChromeOS Released (Not Google's Real Chrome OS) http://bit.ly/25tiuP | Sep 28 18:43 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Want To Impress Your Friends? Run Chrome OS .::. Size~: 41.83 KB | Sep 28 18:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Schools Should Empower People by Teaching Free(dom) System Too http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1012 | Sep 28 18:45 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Are Schools Giving Students The Wrong Idea About Technology? : IT News Today .::. Size~: 22.51 KB | Sep 28 18:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Considered Top Kernel by Jack Wallen http://bit.ly/hjlQw | Sep 28 18:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Better at Sharing Parties Than the Counterparts (Isolated and Divided) http://bit.ly/CF3oJ | Sep 28 18:51 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Sharing Linux - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 132.15 KB | Sep 28 18:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.32 Now in #ReleaseCandidate Phase http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/9/27/166 | Sep 28 18:55 | |
| phIRCe | Title: LKML: Linus Torvalds: Linux 2.6.32-rc1 .::. Size~: 7.28 KB | Sep 28 18:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] X.Org 7.5 is Near Final Release http://bit.ly/3EOdR8 | Sep 28 18:56 | |
| phIRCe | Title: [Phoronix] X.Org 7.5 Gets Closer While X Server 1.6.4 Is Out .::. Size~: 16.78 KB | Sep 28 18:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #Linux Beats #FreeBSD 8.0 at Performance http://bit.ly/4hMbgP | Sep 28 18:58 | |
| phIRCe | Title: [Phoronix] FreeBSD 8.0 vs. Ubuntu 9.10 Benchmarks .::. Size~: 21.06 KB | Sep 28 18:58 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo to Release Ten #LiveDVD http://bit.ly/hggGm http://bit.ly/uGvx7 | Sep 28 19:06 | |
| phIRCe | Title: [Phoronix] Gentoo Will Celebrate 10th Birthday With LiveDVD .::. Size~: 19.94 KB | Sep 28 19:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Launches #KDialogue http://bit.ly/10Nilu | Sep 28 19:08 | |
| phIRCe | Title: First KDialogue Is Now Open | KDE.news .::. Size~: 9.41 KB | Sep 28 19:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Turns 5 http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28023/1090/ Ubuntu Turns 5 | Sep 28 19:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WalMart Sells #Palm 's #Linux Phones for $80 Apiece http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/19626.cfm | Sep 28 19:19 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Wal-Mart selling Palm Pre for $80 .::. Size~: 58.12 KB | Sep 28 19:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Review of the #HP Mini 110 Mi ( #GNU #Linux ) http://bit.ly/18wsTj | Sep 28 19:21 | |
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| trmanco | wow | Sep 28 19:24 |
| trmanco | I just keep improving the bot | Sep 28 19:24 |
| trmanco | it's mem usage is 0.7 mb right now | Sep 28 19:24 |
| trmanco | http://www.project10tothe100.com/ | Sep 28 19:27 |
| phIRCe | Title: Project 10 to the 100 .::. Size~: 6 KB | Sep 28 19:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Popularity Keeps Rising http://bit.ly/hVz86 | Sep 28 19:29 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more: firefox breaks 24% .::. Size~: 17.21 KB | Sep 28 19:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: well done. The parsing of titles is now very clean | Sep 28 19:29 |
| trmanco | there are still some issues | Sep 28 19:30 |
| trmanco | they're | Sep 28 19:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apache Keeps Gaining Along with Others, #Microsoft #IIS Down http://bit.ly/3AWW5u | Sep 28 19:32 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Apache Holds Steady in a Changing Web Server Landscape - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 81.18 KB | Sep 28 19:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 50 #FreeSoftware Items of Interesting to Business http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3841156 | Sep 28 19:34 | |
| phIRCe | Title: 50 Open Source Apps for Small Biz/Home Office — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 72.58 KB | Sep 28 19:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sun 's Phipps Compares #FreeSoftware to "Organic Software" http://bit.ly/NNeM8 | Sep 28 19:36 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Organic Software [on Simon Phipps, SunMink] .::. Size~: 29.49 KB | Sep 28 19:36 |
| schestowitz | "—" also some fancy quotes do this | Sep 28 19:37 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 28 19:38 |
| trmanco | mdash | Sep 28 19:38 |
| trmanco | never heard of that | Sep 28 19:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] For the first time in history, Reddit surpasses Digg in net traffic. Cool! http://imgur.com/zcr97.png | Sep 28 19:42 | |
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| schestowitz | Is Digg.com down today? | Sep 28 19:43 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 28 19:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I dunno. | Sep 28 19:43 |
| Omar87 | I rarely visit Digg. | Sep 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz | See the above image | Sep 28 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | 0 reach? | Sep 28 19:43 |
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| Omar87 | I'm getting addicted to Reddit. :D | Sep 28 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Seems like a joke/error | Sep 28 19:44 |
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| trmanco | maybe something went haywire with alexa | Sep 28 19:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware is the Backbone is "Open Source" http://bit.ly/iRyJ6 good post from #glynmoody | Sep 28 19:46 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Without Free Software, Open Source Would Lose its Meaning | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 45.53 KB | Sep 28 19:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] C #Programming Still Central to Computing http://bit.ly/1bCCWT | Sep 28 19:49 | |
| phIRCe | Title: The C programming language and its importance .::. Size~: 29.18 KB | Sep 28 19:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality Still Under Attack from Shill (Competitive Enterprise Institute) http://bit.ly/p8ytu | Sep 28 19:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Literature is Better Off Free Like Software http://bit.ly/gfzms | Sep 28 19:52 | |
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| phIRCe | Title: Times Higher Education - Get it out in the open .::. Size~: 46.92 KB | Sep 28 19:52 |
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| _goblin | hello all | Sep 28 19:59 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: Hey | Sep 28 19:59 |
| _goblin | :) | Sep 28 20:02 |
| _goblin | sorry, just catching up.... | Sep 28 20:02 |
| _goblin | got called away on a job on Sunday....just returned now... | Sep 28 20:03 |
| trmanco | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/anti-internet-explorer-6/ | Sep 28 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: for _goblin to install? | Sep 28 20:11 |
| trmanco | anybody who wants | Sep 28 20:12 |
| trmanco | it's useful | Sep 28 20:12 |
| schestowitz | [20:11] <phIRCe> Title: WordPress : Anti Microsoft Troll Plugin « WordPress Plugins .::. Size~: 12.1 KB | Sep 28 20:12 |
| trmanco | IE is obsolete | Sep 28 20:12 |
| trmanco | the title is kinda funny LOL | Sep 28 20:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's the same plugin | Sep 28 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft trolls are too stupid to sort out thier XP | Sep 28 20:14 |
| schestowitz | They take commands in notepad, pass time in Solitaire, and 'work' in Google Groups | Sep 28 20:15 |
| _goblin | lol | Sep 28 20:15 |
| _goblin | shame it couldn't include all versions of IE AND prevent access. | Sep 28 20:15 |
| schestowitz | IE users get special pages in BN | Sep 28 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Try it | Sep 28 20:15 |
| _goblin | Recommendation here....(uk residents) Watch the SCD6 documentary on tuesday.......very good.... | Sep 28 20:16 |
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| trmanco | I don't have IE | Sep 28 20:17 |
| I don't like campaigns that recommend a newer version of IE | Sep 28 20:17 | |
| IE is Windows and it's all bad | Sep 28 20:17 | |
| trmanco | but I'll use something | Sep 28 20:17 |
| try changing your browser ID just once | Sep 28 20:18 | |
| konq 4.3 has site specific browser ID | Sep 28 20:19 | |
| nice | Sep 28 20:19 | |
| trmanco | ah right | Sep 28 20:20 |
| trmanco | I forgot about it | Sep 28 20:20 |
| when you set up a new site, it already has a big long list of browsers to chose from. | Sep 28 20:20 | |
| I'm going to try IE 5 on Mac PPC on BN | Sep 28 20:21 | |
| hmmm, nothing happened that I can see. | Sep 28 20:22 | |
| still nothing in the storries | Sep 28 20:23 | |
| nothing on the Wiki as IE6 on XP either. | Sep 28 20:23 | |
| Now I'm going to delete that bogus user agent. | Sep 28 20:23 | |
| trmanco | did you get the useragent right | Sep 28 20:24 |
| trmanco | ? | Sep 28 20:24 |
| trmanco | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) | Sep 28 20:25 |
| trmanco | nothing happens | Sep 28 20:27 |
| I don't know. I pressed the button and said apply. I did not check the packets and don't think it's worth the time. | Sep 28 20:31 | |
| Perhaps I'll try from an actual Windows computer one day and see if I fall into a black hole. I don't think Roy would set up anything like that. | Sep 28 20:32 | |
| Ha ha, $45 billion bankrupt bank makes deal with software company that squandered $60 billion in cash. A match made in heaven. | Sep 28 20:35 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 28 20:36 |
| 92 meter mega yacht. Nice. | Sep 28 20:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh feck. Anyone in San Francisco who's REALLY GOOD want a job with charity pay but amazing status? http://is.gd/3L7gz | Sep 28 20:42 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Announce: Brion moving to StatusNet « Wikimedia Technical Blog .::. Size~: 21.96 KB | Sep 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | He competes with Ellison over size (of yacht) | Sep 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | They custom-make it to baet one anorher | Sep 28 20:42 |
| It probably cost more to move the thing to Ashdod than it would to have bought a normal boat. | Sep 28 20:42 | |
| He probably wants to go island hopping in the Aegean, which is supposed to be one of the most beautiful places on Earth. | Sep 28 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | Beautiful is subjective | Sep 28 20:43 |
| You would think he'd be able to find a port in a place with reasonable facilities. | Sep 28 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | People are usually taught that shallow water and reefs are "pretty" | Sep 28 20:43 |
| Clear water, color and sky is generally pleasing. | Sep 28 20:44 | |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPycA_CzYdw&feature=channel | Sep 28 20:44 | |
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| Ancient ruins are also pleasing and I've been told that it's a joy to visit there because the people are welcoming. | Sep 28 20:45 | |
| You might want to stay clear of the drunk louts from Club Med and the crowd that might form around a 92 meter yacht. | Sep 28 20:46 | |
| Oh well. Bribe ho! | Sep 28 20:47 | |
| Man the bankline! | Sep 28 20:47 | |
| Doll away. | Sep 28 20:47 | |
| Scrub the evidence and polish the turd, this yacht will look it's best. | Sep 28 20:48 | |
| trmanco | http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/29/29c9ace7c5bded7b272cdf991d5c142b.png | Sep 28 20:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting... .::. Size~: Too big! | Sep 28 20:49 |
| trmanco | LOl | Sep 28 20:49 |
| trmanco | http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/a7/a7b9e540ca6636adc03f81bffe7f798b.png | Sep 28 20:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting... .::. Size~: Too big! | Sep 28 20:49 |
| trmanco | he isn't blocking IE6 | Sep 28 20:50 |
| trmanco | :-p | Sep 28 20:50 |
| woh, is that intentional? | Sep 28 20:50 | |
| or is it something your VM did to itself? | Sep 28 20:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz http://bit.ly/279hrQ | Sep 28 20:51 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Write in C .::. Size~: 5.37 KB | Sep 28 20:51 |
| On the fly swap file resize on a filesystem not optimized for swap ... M$ is so backward. | Sep 28 20:52 | |
| trmanco | twitter: it's not my vm | Sep 28 20:52 |
| trmanco | it's from browsershots | Sep 28 20:53 |
| lol | Sep 28 20:53 | |
| trmanco | I guess somebody loaded a giant page in IE 7 | Sep 28 20:53 |
| it p0wnt the browsershot VM | Sep 28 20:53 | |
| down she goes | Sep 28 20:54 | |
| No, that's nautical talk, not sexist talk. | Sep 28 20:54 | |
| bbl | Sep 28 20:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] It seems that a Windows RT'r has removed all my comments it RT'd....maybe its because Im not promoting Windows? #microsoft #windows | Sep 28 20:58 | |
| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/09/apple-pushes-unwanted-enterprise-tool-to-windows-users.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | Sep 28 20:58 |
| phIRCe | Title: Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 43.54 KB | Sep 28 20:58 |
| cubezzz | I don't go into microsoft forums, no point | Sep 28 21:00 |
| cubezzz | obviously we aren't going to agree on much | Sep 28 21:00 |
| trmanco | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/09/making_linux_bi.html;jsessionid=X2A0WJFFNW2JVQE1GHOSKHWATMY32JVN?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_ALL | Sep 28 21:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: Making Linux Binaries Simple: Automate 'Em - Open Source Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 77.48 KB | Sep 28 21:01 |
| trmanco | you will probably get banned anyway | Sep 28 21:01 |
| trmanco | http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/GitHub-picks-Sydney-sysadmins/0,339028227,339298783,00.htm?feed=rss | Sep 28 21:02 |
| phIRCe | Title: GitHub picks Sydney sysadmins - News - Builder AU .::. Size~: 56.56 KB | Sep 28 21:02 |
| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/28/apple_loses_psystar_motion/ | Sep 28 21:11 |
| phIRCe | Title: Apple loses Hackintosh ruling, angers judge • The Register .::. Size~: 25 KB | Sep 28 21:11 |
| cubezzz | zaurus is working really nice now | Sep 28 21:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Android developers tell Google where to get off http://bit.ly/vTKTN | Sep 28 21:34 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 28 21:35 |
| MinceR | too late to fix the design, though | Sep 28 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Nice. Android Rebels | Sep 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can add gnu and remove the -drm- 'shop' | Sep 28 22:09 |
| MinceR | and remove the java lock-in from the APIs | Sep 28 22:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] It Works! | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ydqjn59 | Sep 28 22:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman Versus #SoftwarePatents in NZ, Opposition to Monopolies, and #Microsoft Hypocrisy http://bit.ly/2JBkaU | Sep 28 22:22 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Patents Roundup: Richard Stallman Versus Software Patents in NZ, Opposition to Monopolies, and Microsoft Hypocrisy | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 118.08 KB | Sep 28 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1556537/palm-nicks-mozilla-developers | Sep 28 22:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: w/ mono?? :-) | Sep 28 22:23 |
| schestowitz | BBC late w/ the news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8275679.stm | Sep 28 22:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] AP fails again. "The Associated Press (AP) news agency has accidentally published internal notes ...instead of a story." http://ping.f ... | Sep 28 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | Jobs obituary anyone? | Sep 28 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/28/reddit_xss_worm/ | Sep 28 22:30 |
| phIRCe | Title: Reddit swiftly squishes XSS worm • The Register .::. Size~: 21.63 KB | Sep 28 22:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Hungarian cave-dwellers massacred in their sleep < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/28/killer_birds/ > | Sep 28 22:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: Attack of the Killer Tits • The Register .::. Size~: 22.78 KB | Sep 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Eeeek. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/28/facebook-poll-asks-should-obama-be-killed | Sep 28 22:32 |
| phIRCe | Title: Facebook Poll Asks "Should Obama Be Killed?" | WebProNews .::. Size~: 28.59 KB | Sep 28 22:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/28/twitter-hires-user-experience-architect-from-digg | Sep 28 22:36 |
| phIRCe | Title: Twitter Hires User Experience Architect From Digg | WebProNews .::. Size~: 28.01 KB | Sep 28 22:36 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i was thinking more along the lines of C APIs :> | Sep 28 22:36 |
| MinceR | preferably with C++ wrappers available, but anyone could do that | Sep 28 22:37 |
| MinceR | 232833 <@schestowitz> Jobs obituary anyone? | Sep 28 22:37 |
| MinceR | finally kicking the bucket? :) | Sep 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | The old kidney did | Sep 28 22:41 |
| schestowitz | But seriously, he's not as malicious as Microsoft execs | Sep 28 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I've yet to see evidence of him being criminally-minded | Sep 28 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Apart from the backdating scandal | Sep 28 22:42 |
| MinceR | he despises users and developers, though | Sep 28 22:42 |
| MinceR | and with that attitude he won't win any sympathy from me | Sep 28 22:42 |
| MinceR | he seems to believe that everyone in the world is as stupid as his fanboys | Sep 28 22:42 |
| MinceR | (i'd cite the dtrace trick as an example of that) | Sep 28 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mjtimes.sk.ca/Canada_-_World/Society/2009-09-26/article-99299/Pressure_on_Honduran_business_community_grows_as_coup_enters_third_month/1 | Sep 28 22:46 |
| phIRCe | Title: Pressure on Honduran business community grows as coup enters third month - Society - Canada - World - The Moose Jaw Times Herald .::. Size~: 57.55 KB | Sep 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/iran-test-launch-missiles-nuclear | Sep 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8565 | Sep 28 22:48 |
| phIRCe | Title: Originator of False "Death Panel" Rumor Worked with Philip Morris in 1990s to Kill Health Care Reform | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 27.91 KB | Sep 28 22:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Thinning glaciers driving polar ice loss, satellite survey finds" http://ping.fm/fL1NZ | Sep 28 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20090926_Watada_discharged.html "First Lt. Ehren Watada, the first commissioned military officer to refuse deployment to Iraq because he believed it was an illegal war, has won his three-year legal battle with the Army." | Sep 28 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | <http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4082> | Sep 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft embraces and extends Ken. | Sep 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Helios | Sep 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | He made HeliOS | Sep 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Linux | Sep 28 23:08 |
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| cubezzz | hmm? | Sep 28 23:42 |
| cubezzz | Unix like according to wikipedia | Sep 28 23:46 |
| cubezzz | heard about the transputer back in the day | Sep 28 23:46 |
| cubezzz | ok, proprietary | Sep 28 23:48 |
| cubezzz | OS of the Atari Transputer, yeah I remember that | Sep 28 23:49 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, who or what is Ken? | Sep 28 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Lobby4Linux, LinuxLocks, etc. | Sep 28 23:57 |
| amarsh04 | Blog of Helios | Sep 28 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 28 23:57 |
| cubezzz | Helios looks much more like Unix than Windows | Sep 28 23:57 |
| amarsh04 | Ken Starks | Sep 28 23:57 |
| schestowitz | I mailed to show him how Microsoft 'stole' his nickname :-) :-) | Sep 28 23:58 |
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