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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #TSA harasses tries virtual #stripsearch of Rep @jasoninthehouse fallowing his now approved restrictions on the practice http://ur1.ca/cuqaOct 03 00:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Fights Back as More Nations Adopt #ODF http://ping.fm/FKaQeOct 03 00:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #TSA harasses tries virtual #stripsearch of Rep @jasoninthehouse fallowing house approved restrictions http://ur1.ca/cuqa http://ur1.ca/cuqnOct 03 00:27
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*Now talking on #boycottnovellOct 03 00:52
*Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged]Oct 03 00:52
*Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri Jun 12 18:24:05 2009Oct 03 00:52
-ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channelOct 03 00:52
schestowitzWhich file like  .profile and .bashrc can be run at the beginning of each session?Oct 03 00:56
schestowitzInside the home directory that is. I know how to do it outside homedir, but it's not as portableOct 03 00:57
schestowitzOh never mind.Oct 03 00:57
schestowitzI remember nowOct 03 00:57
schestowitz /home/roy/.kde/AutostartOct 03 00:57
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cubezzz$KDEDIR/share/autostartOct 03 01:36
cubezzzum, probably depends on which KDE thoughOct 03 01:37
cubezzzon this system I have $HOME/.bashrc and $HOME/.bashprofileOct 03 01:45
cubezzz$HOME/.bash_profile ratherOct 03 01:47
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tessierhttp://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/dell-laptop-tries-to-impress-impression-makers/?hpwOct 03 02:16
tessierSome users Dell surveyed spent 70 percent of their time working in the instant-on mode. Microsoft is sure to take note of that figure. Windows has turned into a clunky cup holder.Oct 03 02:16
tessierThat is sweetOct 03 02:16
fewaniceOct 03 02:18
fewaand the Linux doesn't even use the x86 processorOct 03 02:19
fewaso it could be much cheaper without itOct 03 02:19
Diablo-D3s/use/need/Oct 03 02:25
fewaneitherOct 03 02:25
fewait uses a ARM processorOct 03 02:25
fewawhich is in the notebookOct 03 02:26
fewaprobably uses the same RAM, thats quite somethingOct 03 02:26
Diablo-D3no Im saying, Linux doesnt need x86Oct 03 02:28
fewasame with the laptopOct 03 02:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #Bilski briefs to the Supreme Court http://ur1.ca/cuw8 #SCOTUS #patentOct 03 02:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] IBM Yahoo! PhRMA BSA ( Microsoft ) Accenture support software and business method patents http://ur1.ca/cuw8Oct 03 02:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] IBM Yahoo! PhRMA BSA (Microsoft) support software, business method patents: anti-competitive slowers of innovation http://ur1.ca/cuw8Oct 03 02:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] IBM Yahoo! PhRMA BSA (Microsoft) pro software, business method patent monopolies: anti-competitive slowers of innovation http://ur1.ca/cuw8Oct 03 02:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] A Superior System: The Single-Payer Amendment and HR 3200 As Written http://ur1.ca/cuxe #singlepayer #hr3200 #hcOct 03 02:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] FSF Amicus Curiae Brief on Bilski case http://tr.im/AvlT Lists of Briefs are here http://tr.im/AvmiOct 03 03:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] A Superior System: The Single-Payer Amendment and HR 3200 As Written http://ur1.ca/cv07 #singlepayer #hr3200 #hcOct 03 04:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: Slow news day. Next up, "Person Updates Facebook Status" RT @prolificd: Hah! TOI picks up tharoor's tweets and turns them into hOct 03 06:08
Omar871Hi all.Oct 03 06:19
Omar871Anyone knows of any good open source simulation software similar to Arena and CLIPS?Oct 03 06:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Will be in Amman by 1:00 PM at most. Wanna meet him? PM him quickly before 11:00 to arrange something or to get his phone number.Oct 03 06:25
zlgOmar have you looked at Jess or Fuzzy CLIPS ?Oct 03 06:36
Omar871zlg: I'll google them right a way. Thanks.Oct 03 06:40
Omar871zlp: So these are open-source stuff?Oct 03 06:43
zlgI believe so, Jess is a java rewrite of CLIPS as far as I know.Oct 03 06:45
zlgIm trying really hard to remember the name of an app I used to use, it might have been called FUZZYSIM or something.Oct 03 06:46
zlgsounds like what your looking for.Oct 03 06:46
Omar871zlg: As it's stated in the Wikipedia page, it's a superset of CLIPS.Oct 03 06:46
Omar871zlg: Is it Fuzzy Control Language?Oct 03 06:48
Omar871zlg: Or Fuzzy Control System?Oct 03 06:49
zlgYes, exactly, it's a rule based expert system, with simulator, (or compiler) to create an "executable" within it's environmentOct 03 06:49
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zlgIt does not have physical I/O I dont think, so you would have to translate it to any specific control, from memory, that was a few years ago.Oct 03 06:51
zlgalso look up linear optimisation, operations research, neural netsOct 03 06:52
Omar871zlg: In the same Jess Wikipedia page, and under the "License" section: "While CLIPS is licensed as open source, Jess is not open source."Oct 03 06:54
fewaIf is public defraudmentOct 03 07:11
fewaJess, the Java Rule Engine is Copyright © 2007 by Sandia National Laboratories.Oct 03 07:11
fewaSandia National Laboratories is wholy funded by the US governmentOct 03 07:11
fewaUS government works are not eligible for copyrightOct 03 07:11
fewahttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9011283/Reverse_hacker_wins_4.3M_in_suit_against_Sandia_LabsOct 03 07:32
fewahttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9016884/Reverse_hacker_case_gets_costlier_for_Sandia_LabsOct 03 07:32
fewaGuess that is what you get when private corporations run governmentOct 03 07:32
schestowitzHey, fewaOct 03 07:56
amarsh04hi schestowitzOct 03 07:57
Omar871Hi all.Oct 03 07:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Exploring #SimPy while I still have a chance. It's seems pretty good!Oct 03 07:58
Omar871Wow.. that latest tweet you just saw was posted on identi.ca (my and identi.ca and twitter accounts are connected so any post on identi.ca is directly sent to my twitter account as well)Oct 03 08:00
Omar871the point is, when I'm noticing that when I post it to identi.ca, it appears faster in this channel than when I post it to twitter directly. Isn't that weird?Oct 03 08:01
Omar871correction: "the point is, I'm noticing that when.... etc"Oct 03 08:02
schestowitzIdentica grows very fastOct 03 08:06
fewawhy are the shittiest sites based on JAVAOct 03 08:06
fewahttp://www.nmcourts.com/caselookup/appOct 03 08:07
fewathese fully session based apps with 50000 char urls that are session-onlyOct 03 08:07
fewaall the disadvantages of web apps, app the disadvantages of desktop apps, none of the strengths of eitherOct 03 08:08
fewaarggggOct 03 08:08
Omar871fewa: From the way I see it, I think the crappiest of sites are all written in .NET.Oct 03 08:08
fewaI cant tell all the .NET stuff apartOct 03 08:08
fewa.asp, .aspxOct 03 08:09
fewa.xpd ?Oct 03 08:09
fewaallot of .NET sites are completely stiffOct 03 08:11
fewadont work without cookiesOct 03 08:11
Omar871fewa: The main common ground they share is that simply.. they all suck. :)Oct 03 08:11
fewaredirect on all errorsOct 03 08:11
fewacant multithread session <--most pitifulOct 03 08:11
fewai've had that with both java and .netOct 03 08:11
fewawhere if you open two tabs and do something in another tab, your other tabs dont workOct 03 08:12
fewacause the whole thing is based on users only doing 1 thing at a timeOct 03 08:12
fewathese huge development "platforms" tend to be huge collections of hacksOct 03 08:14
Omar871fewa: That worst thing I noticed about .NET is that, when it comes to security.. .... It's just.... ok, I failed to find an appropriate term to describe exactly how pathetic it is.Oct 03 08:14
fewadon't see how anyone could actually make a real web site with themOct 03 08:14
fewayeah thats a whole other realmOct 03 08:15
fewaMicrosoft has never cared about securityOct 03 08:15
fewaexcept in the Trecherous computing senseOct 03 08:15
fewathey see security as a luxury they can charge piecemeal forOct 03 08:16
Omar871Where it might do good at security, but will probably suck huge time at some other aspects.Oct 03 08:16
schestowitzOmar871: I don't see many ASP sitesOct 03 08:17
schestowitzIt's good that Windows never took off in Web servers and now they fall furtherOct 03 08:18
schestowitzApache and others gain at the expense of IISOct 03 08:18
fewathat was really vagueOct 03 08:18
fewayes php is bigOct 03 08:18
schestowitzMicrosoft has already 'bribed' anyone it could (e.g. GoDaddy) to fake a migrationOct 03 08:18
schestowitzMicrosoft embraced APacheOct 03 08:18
fewamicrosoft is a small playerOct 03 08:18
schestowitzThat's what Microsoft does when it losesOct 03 08:18
schestowitzE.g. 'embrace' ODFOct 03 08:19
schestowitzTry to hijack itOct 03 08:19
schestowitzfewa: they spread Silver Lie with APache nowOct 03 08:19
schestowitzhttp://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/09/29/contribution-without-a-thud.aspxOct 03 08:19
fewamicrosoft has never succeeded with web servers of platformsOct 03 08:19
Omar871schestowitz: Exactly the same way they hijacked DOS.Oct 03 08:19
fewathat is why they are deadOct 03 08:19
fewathey just don't get itOct 03 08:19
schestowitzfewa: head of odf alliance mailed me the other dayOct 03 08:19
fewatheir business model only works if all innovation is sieved down through their APIsOct 03 08:20
schestowitzThey are not happy with what Microsoft doesOct 03 08:20
schestowitzAnd Weir isn't, eitherOct 03 08:20
schestowitzThey stuff ODFOct 03 08:20
schestowitzAnd try to pass it over to their cronies at ISO and SC34Oct 03 08:20
schestowitzMary McRae knows the 'good guys' from the 'bad guys'Oct 03 08:20
Omar871fewa: The problem isn't actually with Microsoft. It's with those idiots who think Microsoft is the creator of all technology, and can never imagine quality and reliability in anything non-Microsoft.Oct 03 08:21
Omar871fewa: Even if this decision to worship Microsoft causes their infrastructure to be straight out.. crap, they just don't see that!Oct 03 08:22
Omar871fewa: Hackers and cybertheives are coming and going in and out of their servers, DDOS them down whenever they feel it etc.. and at the end of the day.. Their ultimate admiration of the MS garbage goes on as if nothing is wrong. :-)Oct 03 08:25
fewaSheepOct 03 08:26
fewaThe Microsoft anti-competitive landscape has created a dirth of thought http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090930/hr1319_ains.pdfOct 03 08:27
fewaJust read that bill thinking about network computing, or computing over NFS, of installing samba on a computerOct 03 08:28
fewathat the state has to come in because the OS's people use are that incredibly insecureOct 03 08:32
fewathe insecure Windows has trained people to be scared of their computersOct 03 08:34
fewarather than embrace themOct 03 08:34
schestowitzAnd dataOct 03 08:34
schestowitzCompromised, by assumptionOct 03 08:34
fewayesOct 03 08:35
fewaThat computers are inherantly insecureOct 03 08:35
fewaI run into all the timeOct 03 08:35
schestowitzSome in ecommrceOct 03 08:35
fewapeople think that any computer can be remotely crackedOct 03 08:35
schestowitzThey know.Oct 03 08:35
fewathink that all systems are inherently insecure, thats they cant be designed secureOct 03 08:36
schestowitzOff Topic: A World Where Almost One in Two PCs is a Windows Zombie PC < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/14/windows-zombie-pc-40-pct/ >Oct 03 08:36
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndromeOct 03 08:40
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Omar871schestowitz: Why exactly does Microsoft resort to attacking GNU/Linux every time they get whipped hard by Google? Doesn't that indicate that Microsoft can almost no longer stand a chance against Google, so now they go "show off their dirty monopolistic skills" on GNU/Linux?Oct 03 08:56
*Omar871 will be back soon..Oct 03 09:03
Omar871see y'all l8er.Oct 03 09:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In our IRC channel, Microsoft employees now join without disclosure. One need to squeeze that disclosure out of them. :-(Oct 03 09:44
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schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091001/0435066389.shtmlOct 03 10:17
fewa:P schestowitzOct 03 10:18
schestowitz"Oct 03 10:18
schestowitzFrom Monday 12 October your London Evening Standard will become the first quality newspaper in the world to go free.Oct 03 10:18
schestowitzhttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23751782-a-bright-future-for-your-evening-standard.do#Oct 03 10:18
fewasport is manufactured nothingnessOct 03 10:19
fewawho cares?Oct 03 10:19
fewaummmm http://techdirt.com/articles/20091002/0331316405.shtmlOct 03 10:20
fewakinda missees the pointOct 03 10:20
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fewaits about two things: orphan works, and fair useOct 03 10:23
fewano party should be given a monopoly over orphan works, that would just be a way of sidestepping the fact that no copyright should exist over such worksOct 03 10:24
fewaTim Wu http://www.slate.com/id/2229391/pagenum/allOct 03 10:24
fewahe really hits it wellOct 03 10:27
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schestowitz"It's the best way to make out-of-print books widely accessible."Oct 03 10:35
schestowitzNot really.Oct 03 10:35
fewano copyright should exist over such worksOct 03 10:37
fewathats the real solutionOct 03 10:37
fewaLessig was pushing that years agoOct 03 10:37
fewait makes no senseOct 03 10:37
fewait certainly does not advance the progress of science or the useful artsOct 03 10:37
fewato restrict the access to little-access booksOct 03 10:38
schestowitzIt's welfare for artists' grandkidsOct 03 10:40
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schestowitzCopyrights are a good ideaOct 03 10:48
schestowitzBut their ages is another matterOct 03 10:48
schestowitzCan the gladiators of Rome chase us with spears for spreading their  literature?Oct 03 10:48
schestowitzArtists wants their work to have a high reach. producers who are middlemen just care about money because they offer no personal creativityOct 03 10:49
schestowitzProducers want incentives and so do artistsOct 03 10:49
schestowitzBut the shelf life is limitedOct 03 10:49
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schestowitzThere comes a time when publication or production is old enough that it hardly generates revenue, so it might as well aim for high reachOct 03 10:50
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schestowitzMany authors agree that guilds only prevent them from spreading their own workOct 03 10:50
schestowitzPluto still a planet, says Ronald McDonald < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/02/mcpluto/ >Oct 03 10:51
fewaschestowitz, if they don't have the incentive to publish it it isn't making moneyOct 03 10:52
fewano welfare at allOct 03 10:53
fewaa few megastars get millionsOct 03 10:53
fewaand the vast majority nothing at allOct 03 10:53
fewathats not what I think of when I think of welfareOct 03 10:53
schestowitzLook at the numbers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/02/kindle_pay_off/Oct 03 10:54
schestowitzNotes on a boom worth 150k?Oct 03 10:54
schestowitzIt's welfare for the superstars+descendantsOct 03 10:55
schestowitzLike Nancy Sinatra. She can't perform, so she wants to funnel in for daddy's workOct 03 10:55
schestowitz"That's Nancy, with the Greedy Face..."Oct 03 10:55
schestowitzJacques Chirac ditches devil dog http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/02/chirac_devil_dog/Oct 03 10:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the innovation process http://www.basicinstructions.net/?p=1222Oct 03 10:57
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zer0c00lhey schestowitzOct 03 10:58
schestowitzheyOct 03 10:58
zer0c00lwho is the msft employee here?Oct 03 10:58
zer0c00l:POct 03 10:58
zer0c00lschestowitz: http://identi.ca/notice/11231785Oct 03 10:59
schestowitzhttp://gnowgi.org/2009/10/02/usvisab/Oct 03 10:59
zer0c00lschestowitz: yeah american visaOct 03 10:59
zer0c00lnot possible with GNU/LinuxOct 03 10:59
schestowitzOnly for Windows users :0)Oct 03 11:00
zer0c00lschestowitz: yesOct 03 11:00
schestowitzFinger scans - checkOct 03 11:00
zer0c00l:(Oct 03 11:00
schestowitzProprietary software - heckOct 03 11:00
schestowitzBack doors - checkOct 03 11:00
Diablo-D3your mon in fishnet stockings - checkOct 03 11:00
zer0c00lhttp://gnowgi.org/2009/10/02/usvisab/ is a well written letter :)Oct 03 11:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #FSF brief on Bilski http://ur1.ca/cvb6 addresses contorted lens of Federal Circuit #patent court http://ur1.ca/couwOct 03 11:06
schestowitzhttp://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1040_signs.jpgOct 03 11:08
fewalolOct 03 11:18
Diablo-D3man theres something wrong with meOct 03 11:19
Diablo-D3I have a class named PoolOct 03 11:19
fewaUnderwater basket weavingOct 03 11:19
Diablo-D3the constructor is publicOct 03 11:20
Diablo-D3thats not funny at allOct 03 11:20
schestowitz30 Beautiful Custom PC Case Designs http://sixrevisions.com/design-showcase-inspiration/30-beautiful-custom-pc-case-designs/Oct 03 11:20
fewawhich Pool, swimming pool or pool ballOct 03 11:20
fewa?Oct 03 11:21
*Diablo-D3 facepalmsOct 03 11:21
schestowitzSurvey: US residents don't want targeted ads http://www.itworld.com/government/79438/survey-us-residents-dont-want-targeted-adsOct 03 11:21
fewaahh, dugOct 03 11:21
fewa*duhOct 03 11:21
fewaDiablo-D3, i guess i dont get itOct 03 11:22
fewaPool.newOct 03 11:22
fewaPool.destroyOct 03 11:22
Diablo-D3fewa: public poolOct 03 11:22
fewaPool.swimmingOct 03 11:22
schestowitz@Mark_Antony The favoured terminology here is Free Software, reports of it's demise premature ;)" http://identi.ca/notice/11168576Oct 03 11:26
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schestowitzhttp://test.orgOct 03 11:27
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schestowitzHehe.Oct 03 11:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Customers ‘blamed for card fraud’ - I hate to say I told you so but.... http://tinyurl.com/y8rtdhyOct 03 11:31
trmanco:-pOct 03 11:33
trmancohttp://thomasmcguire.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/akonadi-nepomuk-and-strigi-explained/Oct 03 11:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] First post on OpenMicroBlogger : Go ahead and try it http://openmicroblogger.com/Oct 03 11:41
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trmanco:)Oct 03 11:42
schestowitzw3c validator been down for an hour alreadOct 03 11:56
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schestowitzHiner is still being a shill, sadly. And he can't realise that Microsoft bought danger and Palm uses GPL s/w? http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=25021Oct 03 12:11
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schestowitzA lot of Wintel press still foolishly links to Net Applications.Oct 03 12:15
schestowitzDT serves the Vole: http://www.telecompaper.com/news/article.aspx?cid=694433Oct 03 12:21
schestowitzThey should also offer OOo down d/lOct 03 12:21
schestowitzMonoculture.Oct 03 12:22
schestowitz"Authors opting in to Sony will have their ebook appear at The eBook Store from Sony within days of uploading to Smashwords."Oct 03 12:22
schestowitzhttp://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2009/09/28/daily34.htmlOct 03 12:22
phIRCeTitle: Smashwords, Sony in self-publish deal - Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal:  .::. Size~: 72.64 KBOct 03 12:22
schestowitz"Authors upload their Microsoft Word file..."Oct 03 12:22
schestowitzJust proprietaryOct 03 12:23
schestowitztrmanco: did you manage to get an invite? http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/google-wave-becomes-a-bit-more-public/Oct 03 12:25
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trmancoschestowitz: it hasn't arrived yet :|Oct 03 12:25
trmancobut I didOct 03 12:25
schestowitzGroklaw wants to make a GL waveOct 03 12:25
schestowitzSo I suppose they see value in itOct 03 12:25
trmancoreally?Oct 03 12:26
trmancocoolOct 03 12:26
schestowitzYesOct 03 12:26
schestowitzShe wrote soOct 03 12:26
trmancoI haven't read my feeds yetOct 03 12:26
schestowitzSO I guess as a substitute for blog comments and fora it's good for community interactionOct 03 12:26
schestowitzWe have a good IRC going thoughOct 03 12:26
schestowitzWith your bot enhancing it and logs tooOct 03 12:26
schestowitzICQ killed IRC in the 90sOct 03 12:27
schestowitzIM is now prevalent, but people Twit moreOct 03 12:27
schestowitzWhere microblogging it a tool for participation in IM with more peopleOct 03 12:27
schestowitzI only started microblogging after following @glynmoody for a while. It seemed fun and easy./Oct 03 12:28
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schestowitzHeh.Oct 03 12:37
schestowitzThis site http://botany.natur.cuni.cz/rooks/ just syndicates RMS, BN, and Al JazeraOct 03 12:37
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trmancowowOct 03 12:40
trmancois git the letter straightOct 03 12:40
schestowitzHere the type of articles that ignore anyone but Apple and Microsoft (simplification): The Apple-Microsoft tablet race http://www.theweek.com/article/index/101054/The_AppleMicrosoft_tablet_raceOct 03 12:40
trmancogot*Oct 03 12:40
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schestowitzForget about Linux tablets and their many makers ....... ppppfftOct 03 12:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "Microsoft gives you Windows... Linux gives you the whole house" - Cycron comment http://tinyurl.com/yd8a88gOct 03 12:48
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schestowitzWSJ: Google Sites Surpass 10B Video Views In AugOct 03 13:06
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090928-710268.htmlOct 03 13:09
phIRCeTitle: ComScore: Google Sites Surpass 10B Video Views In Aug - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 111.51 KBOct 03 13:09
schestowitzhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/morning-scoop.htmlOct 03 13:10
phIRCeTitle: Morning Scoop: Roman Polanski's past, Google vs. Microsoft, personhood petitions | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 84.58 KBOct 03 13:10
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schestowitzwb, senor _Hicham_Oct 03 13:14
_Hicham_good morning Lord SchestowitzOct 03 13:16
_Hicham_Lord of FOSSOct 03 13:16
Diablo-D3lord of the sith maybe >_>Oct 03 13:16
_Hicham_Diablo-D3 : howdy bad boy ?Oct 03 13:17
fewaMac fangasmers really confuse meOct 03 13:18
fewathey all seem like they are employeed my Apple to sell its productsOct 03 13:18
fewaWhy would they do that?Oct 03 13:18
Diablo-D3fewa: cult of macOct 03 13:19
schestowitzIt's elitism projected through gadgetsOct 03 13:19
fewaBut why does anyone want to be in the cultOct 03 13:20
schestowitzAnd the ads promote this cultureOct 03 13:20
fewaas its all a very lose cultOct 03 13:20
schestowitz"Hi, I'm a guy in suit"Oct 03 13:20
Diablo-D3fewa: macs arent bad thoughOct 03 13:20
schestowitz"Hi, I'm a hipster, but I'm bigger than you cause I use a MAC!"Oct 03 13:20
Diablo-D3everytime an idiot says WINDOWS SUCKS, I tell them to buy a mac.Oct 03 13:20
Diablo-D3you know why?Oct 03 13:20
fewaI mean, its a little better than Windows, so people would accept the false comparison could end up with thatOct 03 13:20
Diablo-D3Im sure as hell not going to talk them through doing linuxOct 03 13:20
fewabut its just so fakeOct 03 13:20
fewaits the idea that there is nothing but OSX and AppleOct 03 13:21
fewanothing else existsOct 03 13:21
fewaand for some reason, if you use Apple you are suppose to be insecure and hock another companies constricting products to everyone around youOct 03 13:21
fewaDiablo-D3, I hear installing/uninstalling apps on OSX is like Debian 1.0Oct 03 13:22
fewaie before _any_ package managementOct 03 13:22
Diablo-D3fewa: not true at allOct 03 13:22
Diablo-D3package management on osx is dropping an .application folder in Applications.Oct 03 13:22
fewano, UNIX appsOct 03 13:22
fewaPOSIX appsOct 03 13:22
Diablo-D3why would you run unix apps on a mac?Oct 03 13:23
Diablo-D3thats why I quit using osx to begin with, fewa, osx is not a *nix.Oct 03 13:23
fewabecause mac has only shitty non-free me-too softwareOct 03 13:23
Diablo-D3if you use the wrong tool for the job, you will have problemsOct 03 13:23
fewathe reason it can be way better than Windows is that it is nixOct 03 13:23
Diablo-D3this is not osx's faultOct 03 13:23
Diablo-D3osx is designed to be easyOct 03 13:23
Diablo-D3*nix is not for noobs.Oct 03 13:23
fewaI've never owned a OSX machineOct 03 13:23
fewaMy dad had a OS 9 machine back in the dayOct 03 13:24
fewamaybe actually OS 8Oct 03 13:24
Diablo-D3I have a powerbook g4 sitting right infront of meOct 03 13:24
Diablo-D3in fact, you're currently displaying on itOct 03 13:24
Diablo-D3it runs debian sid.Oct 03 13:24
fewaDiablo-D3, I would counter that Linux is very much for beginnersOct 03 13:25
fewaits very easy to manageOct 03 13:25
schestowitzPut Linux on family's PCs, ssh -x to fix issues remotely, e.g. if they don't know how to install s/wOct 03 13:26
Diablo-D3yes, if you know how to use a keyboardOct 03 13:26
fewathere are tons of things which OSX users find they just can useOct 03 13:26
fewa*just cant doOct 03 13:26
Diablo-D3osx and windows are both antikeyboardOct 03 13:26
schestowitzDiablo-D3: been successful for many this methodOct 03 13:26
fewaGNOME works great w/o keyboardOct 03 13:26
schestowitzI don't know how remote login works exactly in OS X, but it probably needs some extra s/wOct 03 13:26
schestowitzHehe.Oct 03 13:27
fewaMy mother has a much better time with GNOME than she had with XP, where every application is a maze of confusionOct 03 13:27
schestowitzanti-keyboardOct 03 13:27
schestowitzAnd Linux...?Oct 03 13:27
schestowitzPigeonRank?Oct 03 13:27
fewaOSX has same problemOct 03 13:27
fewabunch of power-user apps that are hard to use, GNOME/KDE/major distros have lots of easy-to-use software that distills the stuffOct 03 13:27
fewaie empathyOct 03 13:28
schestowitzI need to use the keyboard in Linux, it's true. I need to input textOct 03 13:28
fewainstead of AIM/MSN/iChat etcOct 03 13:28
schestowitzIn Widnows you just talk to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQOct 03 13:28
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Windows Vista Speech Recognition .::. Size~: 126.07 KBOct 03 13:28
fewausers _do_ notice the wars between software companies for their computersOct 03 13:28
schestowitz^^FlukeOct 03 13:28
fewaand they _dont_ like itOct 03 13:28
fewaFree software fixes that problemOct 03 13:28
fewaand the open source development modelOct 03 13:29
fewalol classic schestowitzOct 03 13:30
schestowitzI can input text quickly and more precisely with a keyboardOct 03 13:31
fewain OSX and Windows for example it is almost impossible to burn a friggen CDOct 03 13:31
fewaor .isoOct 03 13:31
schestowitzEven Windows fan DaemonFC tried the voice thing... and after hours of training it was utter c*Oct 03 13:31
fewayou have to download software/virus to get anything doneOct 03 13:31
schestowitzfewa: in Linux k3b is installed by defaultOct 03 13:32
fewaDaemon Naturally Speaking is the current topOct 03 13:32
schestowitzNever had ANY issue burning a cd on LinuxOct 03 13:32
schestowitzNo need to learn programs eitherOct 03 13:32
fewaor braseroOct 03 13:32
schestowitzDragonOct 03 13:32
schestowitzNot DaemonOct 03 13:32
schestowitzOhOct 03 13:32
fewalolOct 03 13:32
schestowitzMaybe there's another product?Oct 03 13:32
fewayes DragonOct 03 13:32
schestowitzOKOct 03 13:32
schestowitzMy cousin in FL has itOct 03 13:32
schestowitzHe showed it to me ages agoOct 03 13:32
schestowitzUSeless for most thingsOct 03 13:32
fewaBig companies probably have something much betterOct 03 13:33
schestowitzHe doesn't use it anymoreOct 03 13:33
fewaie Google, othersOct 03 13:33
schestowitzIt's like something you play with for a wholeOct 03 13:33
schestowitzIt never caughtOct 03 13:33
schestowitzIt never caught onOct 03 13:33
schestowitzWith mobile devices that have poor input this might be usefulOct 03 13:33
fewaGoogle trained theirs with their GOOG411 serviceOct 03 13:33
schestowitzOr for combat zonesOct 03 13:33
schestowitzMicrosoft has TellMEOct 03 13:33
schestowitzNothijng came out of itOct 03 13:33
fewaMicrosoft cant innovate anythingOct 03 13:34
schestowitzThe TellMe people quit this yearOct 03 13:34
schestowitzOr last yearOct 03 13:34
fewathe only decent products they have had are bought from othersOct 03 13:34
schestowitz"Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products.:"Oct 03 13:34
schestowitz--MS http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39286351,00.htmOct 03 13:34
phIRCeTitle: Top stories - ZDNet UK News .::. Size~: 117.86 KBOct 03 13:34
fewaFlight Simulator, Halo, even PowerpointOct 03 13:34
schestowitzPowerPoint too, eh?Oct 03 13:34
fewayepOct 03 13:34
schestowitzSominyi was a buy also? Maybe?Oct 03 13:35
schestowitzThat goes a long way backOct 03 13:35
schestowitz1980sOct 03 13:35
fewathat was that bbc wash articleOct 03 13:35
fewabut it did awknowledge that Microsoft bought powerpointOct 03 13:35
schestowitzBBC is not newsOct 03 13:35
fewaI knowOct 03 13:35
schestowitzBBC is the sort porn of newsOct 03 13:35
fewait was a thing from MicrosoftOct 03 13:35
schestowitzNews for toddlersOct 03 13:35
fewabut Microsoft cant deny history to their employeesOct 03 13:35
schestowitzAnd adult kidsOct 03 13:35
fewa...wellOct 03 13:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If newspapers die, what happens to investigative journalism? I'd listen to this argument more if they did much. http://is.gd/3UeiqOct 03 13:35
phIRCeTitle: Perhaps The Real Problem With Newspapers Is All That Extra Overhead... | Techdirt .::. Size~: 37.92 KBOct 03 13:36
schestowitzThey whitewashed when Gated departedOct 03 13:36
schestowitzKaper was totally pissed offOct 03 13:36
schestowitz*KaporOct 03 13:36
fewaprobably didn't cover AllchinOct 03 13:36
schestowitzThey let him change history by wordsOct 03 13:36
fewaGates propaganda was all over the placeOct 03 13:36
fewaI bet they paid alotOct 03 13:36
schestowitzHe pays for itOct 03 13:36
schestowitzBuys papers and stuffOct 03 13:36
schestowitzPR agentsaOct 03 13:36
fewa /s/they/he/Oct 03 13:36
schestowitzImage buildingOct 03 13:36
schestowitzPop stars have those tooOct 03 13:36
schestowitzImportant rich bastards paying people to buy themselves an "image management" thingOct 03 13:37
fewaI see his shit in all the paid off mediaOct 03 13:37
schestowitzNot just companiesOct 03 13:37
schestowitzPeople tooOct 03 13:37
fewapolitical figures do it tooOct 03 13:37
fewaBill GatesOct 03 13:37
fewa****Oct 03 13:37
fewawhoopsOct 03 13:37
fewaBill ClintonOct 03 13:37
schestowitzLike when Chris Brown hit Rihanna and then hires some PR bunnies to spin the storiesOct 03 13:37
schestowitzCOntrol mindsOct 03 13:37
fewa"clinton global initivive"Oct 03 13:37
fewaAfter _Clinton_ was the one that signed the repeal of Glass-SteagellOct 03 13:38
fewaThe repeal of banking regulation, and many of the things that led to this collapseOct 03 13:38
schestowitzhttp://www.itnewsonline.com/showprnstory.php?storyid=66836Oct 03 13:39
schestowitz"Oct 03 13:40
phIRCeTitle: IT News Online >  -  - Allscripts Reports Fiscal 2010 First Quarter Results .::. Size~: 42.61 KBOct 03 13:40
schestowitzA MicrosoftOct 03 13:40
schestowitzWindows Media Player web replay will be available four hours after theOct 03 13:40
schestowitzconclusion of the call for a period of two weeks at www.allscripts.com or byOct 03 13:40
schestowitzcalling (800) 642-1687 - or (706) 645-9291 for international callers - ID #Oct 03 13:40
schestowitz27582277.Oct 03 13:40
schestowitz"Oct 03 13:40
schestowitzWhy not just list a STANDARDOct 03 13:40
schestowitzThey prescribe appsOct 03 13:40
schestowitzProprietary ones no lessOct 03 13:40
fewao yesOct 03 13:41
fewameans they arenot worth listening toOct 03 13:41
schestowitzw3 validator is back onlineOct 03 13:43
schestowitzfewa: new list:Oct 03 13:45
schestowitzHere are the goodest [sic] people in the world:Oct 03 13:45
schestowitzhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33092678/ns/business-forbescom/Oct 03 13:45
phIRCeTitle: Gates, Buffett again top Forbes’ list of richest - Forbes.com- msnbc.com .::. Size~: 53.05 KBOct 03 13:45
schestowitzThey did so much good that MSNBC says they must have saved our worldOct 03 13:46
schestowitzAwwwwwwwww :-) :-)Oct 03 13:46
fewaschestowitz, they are not the richiestOct 03 13:46
schestowitzI knowOct 03 13:46
fewathey are fudging the numbersOct 03 13:46
schestowitzThe known onesOct 03 13:46
fewabill gates is _way_ downOct 03 13:46
schestowitzNot the Rothschild dynasties and allOct 03 13:46
schestowitzAnd Slim is thereOct 03 13:46
fewaits Carlos of Mexico telecom monopoly fortuneOct 03 13:46
schestowitzOne among many Mexican oligarchsOct 03 13:46
schestowitzLike in Soviet RussiaOct 03 13:46
ThistleWebschestowitz: I see you're booked for FLOSS WeeklyOct 03 13:47
schestowitzThey should rename this Forbes list "the US oligarchs"Oct 03 13:47
schestowitzIt will change people's perspectiveOct 03 13:47
schestowitzNo euphemisms :-)Oct 03 13:47
fewathe Indian steel magnateOct 03 13:47
schestowitzThistleWeb: how did you know?Oct 03 13:47
ThistleWebsorry, was it not supposed to be public?Oct 03 13:48
schestowitzIt isOct 03 13:48
schestowitzI'm just curiousOct 03 13:48
ThistleWebjono's twitterOct 03 13:48
fewaIKEA's Ingvar KampradOct 03 13:48
fewaand Bill's numbers are based on the Microsoft stock priceOct 03 13:48
fewawhich is based on a bunch of basically worthless software and patentsOct 03 13:48
fewaat least in the long termOct 03 13:48
schestowitzHe's quitting MSFT stockOct 03 13:48
fewaForbes list is a jokeOct 03 13:49
schestowitzNow he's in colonialism and drug ransomOct 03 13:49
schestowitzfewa: Forbes is a jokeOct 03 13:49
schestowitzDavid Gerard has a joke about itOct 03 13:49
schestowitzWhich he repeated in BN like 3 timesOct 03 13:49
schestowitzForbes is for people who want to be richOct 03 13:49
fewaits about promoting the american mythOct 03 13:49
schestowitzBut rich people don't read itOct 03 13:49
fewa^^^^Oct 03 13:49
schestowitzfewa: no myth, dream(R)Oct 03 13:49
fewaYou have to read the great gatsbyOct 03 13:50
schestowitzIn WSJ they show an average American Home...Oct 03 13:50
schestowitzHold on...Oct 03 13:50
fewafunny thing is that the rich embellish that bookOct 03 13:50
fewaand miss its ironyOct 03 13:50
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574441322228958830.htmlOct 03 13:50
phIRCeTitle: Rick Crandall's Aspen Home: Views, Totem Pole, Banjorchestra - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 144.41 KBOct 03 13:50
schestowitzThis is what Americans live like.Oct 03 13:50
schestowitz"Novell chairman's Aspen home reflects his diverse pursuits."Oct 03 13:50
*schestowitz wonders if the people who build this house also live in itOct 03 13:51
Diablo-D3[08:51:08] <schestowitz> This is what Americans live like.Oct 03 13:51
Diablo-D3I dont think so, TimOct 03 13:51
fewahttp://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/f/fitzgerald/f_scott/gatsby/complete.htmlOct 03 13:51
fewagreat bookOct 03 13:51
Diablo-D3I'd never live in a house that garishOct 03 13:51
schestowitzDiablo-D3: oh, waitOct 03 13:51
phIRCeTitle: eBooks@Adelaide: Free Web Books, Online .::. Size~: 11.76 KBOct 03 13:51
schestowitzDiablo-D3: must be "tough love"Oct 03 13:51
schestowitz"Love for them, tough for everybody else"Oct 03 13:52
Diablo-D3in fact, the house should probably be torn downOct 03 13:52
Diablo-D3its an eye soreOct 03 13:52
Diablo-D3plant more treesOct 03 13:52
schestowitzMicrosoft hooks up with banksters quite a lot in the past month: http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/180690.aspOct 03 13:52
schestowitzBNYOct 03 13:52
schestowitzNow CitiOct 03 13:52
phIRCeTitle: Citi, Microsoft team up for online money tool .::. Size~: 58.84 KBOct 03 13:52
schestowitzAnd they also do the stimulus thing with obamAAOct 03 13:52
schestowitzDiablo-D3: that's just how Wall Street (Journal) keeps the investor types ambitiousOct 03 13:53
fewaLots of rich people live in modest circumstancesOct 03 13:54
fewaeven the super-richOct 03 13:54
fewaie Warren BuffetOct 03 13:54
schestowitzEventually, if they 'succeed' (money== success, remember that) they'll get the 5th cars and the 50th toilet bootOct 03 13:54
fewait provides all he needsOct 03 13:54
schestowitz*boothOct 03 13:54
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: umOct 03 13:54
Diablo-D3wow, I must be the wrong sort of investor thenOct 03 13:55
schestowitzfewa: ego is not a need to him?Oct 03 13:55
Diablo-D3Im in it for the money, not shitty carsOct 03 13:55
fewahttp://onlythesuperrich.org/Oct 03 13:55
phIRCeTitle:  Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us by Ralph Nader .::. Size~: 7.38 KBOct 03 13:55
fewaschestowitz, some people do it cause they canOct 03 13:55
schestowitzEither way, he too is a troublemaker if you ask the right people (those who are affected, no techies)Oct 03 13:55
fewaschestowitz, also ego does not equal garrishOct 03 13:55
fewathere are other, more egalitarian ways of expressing egoOct 03 13:56
schestowitzfewa: great tag lineOct 03 13:56
schestowitz"Only the super rich can save us"Oct 03 13:56
schestowitzThat's the myth sold to usOct 03 13:56
fewaits a work of "optimistic utopia"Oct 03 13:56
schestowitzGates will save African by making them Pfiezer addicts, Trump will build many houses and kill trees and stupid animals....Oct 03 13:57
schestowitzIcahn will destroy ;'redundant' companiesOct 03 13:57
schestowitz"Investor activist" they call himOct 03 13:57
schestowitzI call him "infestor narcissist"Oct 03 13:57
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220300269Oct 03 13:58
fewaschestowitz, read the book/democracynow interviewOct 03 13:58
fewaits more complicated than thatOct 03 13:58
fewaI want to read itOct 03 13:58
phIRCeTitle: Global CIO: Ballmer Blasts IBM For All The Wrong Reasons -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 88.98 KBOct 03 13:58
schestowitzhttp://uk.mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/eUK/CBUSUK/nbusinessNews_uUKTRE59034620091001?p=1Oct 03 13:58
phIRCeTitle: OpenDNS .::. Size~: 1.99 KBOct 03 13:58
schestowitzGoldman knows allOct 03 13:59
fewa<schestowitz> Gates will save African by making them Pfiezer addictsOct 03 13:59
fewapatent "believers"Oct 03 13:59
schestowitzEwww..Oct 03 13:59
fewadoesn't matter if they use the drugsOct 03 13:59
Diablo-D3http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/03/0440230/Nvidia-Fakes-Fermi-Boards-At-GPU-Tech-Conference?from=rssOct 03 13:59
schestowitzDon't search Google Images for "cyclop"Oct 03 13:59
phIRCeTitle: Slashdot | Nvidia Fakes Fermi Boards At GPU Tech Conference .::. Size~: 86.01 KBOct 03 13:59
Diablo-D3schestowitz: run with that.Oct 03 13:59
fewaits the imperialism of US broken patent lawsOct 03 14:00
fewaand patentsOct 03 14:00
schestowitzI just tried finding the mythical creatureOct 03 14:00
fewaIndia had a sane patent system in 60sOct 03 14:00
schestowitzGot serves bad embryosOct 03 14:00
fewasince had completely abandoned and semblence of a sane policyOct 03 14:00
schestowitz*rvedOct 03 14:00
_Hicham_Bill Gates! Bill Gates!Oct 03 14:00
_Hicham_I liked the Jordanian video about MS vs Open SourceOct 03 14:01
fewabut their policy worked when they had it, when it was not drafted by monsanto, BSA, etcOct 03 14:01
schestowitzHeh.Oct 03 14:01
_Hicham_"Death to Mozilla, Death to Linux", hahahahahahaOct 03 14:02
schestowitzhttp://www.forbes.com/2009/10/01/google-gmail-inotes-technology-cio-network-ibm.htmlOct 03 14:02
phIRCeTitle: IBM Aims To Undercut Gmail - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 30.1 KBOct 03 14:02
_Hicham_schestowitz : do u remember the video ?Oct 03 14:02
schestowitz_Hicham_: yesOct 03 14:02
_Hicham_it is called the "Last Patch"Oct 03 14:02
schestowitzMicrosoft loves hateOct 03 14:02
schestowitzWar is piece (of s)Oct 03 14:02
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlYcn5HEs8Oct 03 14:02
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Russ Feingold on the New FISA Legislation .::. Size~: 129.79 KBOct 03 14:02
schestowitzfewa: old news, no?Oct 03 14:03
schestowitzEven Skype is more secureOct 03 14:04
schestowitzThey can't log it properly in most placesOct 03 14:04
schestowitzOr PGPOct 03 14:04
fewaschestowitz, nopeOct 03 14:04
fewaeBay has a key that opens all Skype communicationsOct 03 14:04
schestowitzDo they log it though?Oct 03 14:04
schestowitzIt's very largeOct 03 14:04
fewaif they havn't given this out, then maybe a modicum more secure than unencryptedOct 03 14:05
schestowitzAlso, they would need to p2p onto own serverOct 03 14:05
schestowitzMaybe if you're on 'the' listOct 03 14:05
schestowitzThen watch where your traffic goesOct 03 14:05
fewalots of Skype goes through their serverOct 03 14:05
schestowitzWhether just to the person on the other side of the lineOct 03 14:05
fewacause of NATsOct 03 14:05
schestowitzCheck IPsOct 03 14:05
fewaand that would only be Skype-to-SkypeOct 03 14:05
fewamuch better to do SIP w/ encryptionOct 03 14:05
fewasuch as IPSECOct 03 14:06
schestowitzencryption that's yours would slow packetisation, but it it possible with FOSS clients?Oct 03 14:07
schestowitzLike ekiga?Oct 03 14:07
fewai dont knowOct 03 14:08
fewai think its part of SIP protocolOct 03 14:08
fewacertainly possibleOct 03 14:08
fewaXMPP has encryption, which is used ubiquituouslyOct 03 14:08
fewahowever the server can see your communication with XMPP versionOct 03 14:08
fewa(i think)Oct 03 14:09
schestowitzhttp://ocbiz.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/01/localcom-says-merger-report-is-false/14917/Oct 03 14:10
phIRCeTitle: Local.com says Microsoft merger report is false   - OC Business News - OCRegister.com .::. Size~: 109.95 KBOct 03 14:10
schestowitzfalse rumourOct 03 14:10
schestowitzPurpose?Oct 03 14:10
schestowitzDell will save RussiaOct 03 14:12
schestowitzhttp://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2009/09/28/daily48.htmlOct 03 14:12
phIRCeTitle: Michael Dell remains second-richest Texan - Austin Business Journal:  .::. Size~: 72.5 KBOct 03 14:12
schestowitzhttp://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2009/09/28/daily48.htmlOct 03 14:13
phIRCeTitle: Michael Dell remains second-richest Texan - Austin Business Journal:  .::. Size~: 72.39 KBOct 03 14:13
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2009/February_2009/msg01601.htmlOct 03 14:13
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&hl=en-GB&v=OMR1BZ9aYM8&gl=GBOct 03 14:13
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Putin answers questions at Davos .::. Size~: 149.68 KBOct 03 14:13
fewaGB, GB, GB, GB, GB, GBOct 03 14:14
fewatracking, tracking, tracking, tracking, trackingOct 03 14:14
fewaahh yes oldOct 03 14:14
fewaDell was being an assholeOct 03 14:14
fewahuge fucking egoOct 03 14:15
schestowitzI know, that's my pointOct 03 14:16
schestowitzThe Americans -- more than most -- think the world revolves around them (no offence intended)Oct 03 14:16
fewatrying to tell the leader of a country what to doOct 03 14:16
schestowitzI think the UK used to be the sameOct 03 14:16
schestowitzWhen it was an empire for many yearsOct 03 14:16
schestowitzThere's still the language pride when English is the global de facto langOct 03 14:17
fewa<schestowitz> The AmericansOct 03 14:17
schestowitzThe Ameircans have the dollars to go byOct 03 14:17
schestowitzfewa: USianOct 03 14:17
fewayou understand that is a support of the Monroe doctrinOct 03 14:17
schestowitzI say Americans in the sort of typical meaningOct 03 14:17
fewathat US is the leader of all of americaOct 03 14:17
schestowitzLike "you guys" meaning both guys and girlsOct 03 14:17
schestowitzHeh..Oct 03 14:17
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_DoctrineOct 03 14:18
phIRCeTitle: Monroe Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 114.42 KBOct 03 14:18
schestowitzI never thought about it that wayOct 03 14:18
schestowitzIt presumes Washington is the centre of the continentOct 03 14:18
fewa"America for the Americans"Oct 03 14:18
schestowitzTo be fair, in terms of impact on the world, the US outweighs all the continent combinedOct 03 14:18
schestowitz"The Monroe Doctrine was a United States policy that was introduced on December 2, 1823, which said that further efforts by European governments to colonize land or interfere with states in the Americas would be viewed by the United States of America as acts of aggression requiring US intervention.[1]"Oct 03 14:19
schestowitzMinceR says "USIa"Oct 03 14:19
schestowitzWhich sounds a but like in 1984Oct 03 14:19
fewa:POct 03 14:19
schestowitzSo I avoid itOct 03 14:19
schestowitzIt's derogatory in a wayOct 03 14:19
fewalatin america and south american interventionism by US is not new, and has not stoppedOct 03 14:20
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation ie "school of the americas"Oct 03 14:20
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fewahttp://soaw.org/Oct 03 14:20
phIRCeTitle: SOA Watch .::. Size~: 76.79 KBOct 03 14:21
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MinceRi say "usian" :)Oct 03 14:21
schestowitzI knowOct 03 14:21
schestowitzUsian armyOct 03 14:21
fewaHonduras Coup, where the US govt continues to give money to the Coup governmentOct 03 14:21
fewaBolivia, VenezwelaOct 03 14:21
schestowitzRMS has written a lot about it ecentlyOct 03 14:21
fewaThe "liberation" of panamaOct 03 14:21
schestowitzThere's loads of stuff going on thereOct 03 14:21
schestowitzHaitiOct 03 14:21
fewa..until Carter set it free !Oct 03 14:22
schestowitzProbably the poorest population in the hemisphereOct 03 14:22
schestowitzHaiti reminds me of ICemanOct 03 14:22
schestowitzSierra gameOct 03 14:22
fewaHaiti is the only country that has been created by a slave revoltOct 03 14:22
schestowitzI think the setting was Haiti. Or maybe another placeOct 03 14:22
fewait was 2:1 african:europeanOct 03 14:22
fewaall native americans long whiped outOct 03 14:23
fewaI am not versed, but i have heard that is due to internal corruptionOct 03 14:23
fewain Haiti, problems such as complete deforrestationOct 03 14:25
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schestowitzMisinformed Microsoft spin: http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26747:microsoft-drives-content-management&catid=118:financial&Itemid=66Oct 03 14:29
schestowitzContent management is power by LAMP usually with FOSS at the very topOct 03 14:30
schestowitzfewa: maybe another Easter Island in the makingOct 03 14:30
schestowitzI heard they get bacteria and stuff out of, well... dirt and mushrooms or somehtingOct 03 14:31
schestowitzDon't know if it's true, but I got the impression hunger is real thereOct 03 14:31
schestowitzI don't know enoug about it thoughOct 03 14:31
fewahttp://images.craigslist.org/3nc3pe3lb5Of5Td5R799lba683fef8ad21d4f.jpgOct 03 14:33
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting... .::. Size~: Too big!Oct 03 14:33
fewalol phIRCeOct 03 14:33
MinceRsee also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_U.S._citizens#Alternate_termsOct 03 14:34
phIRCeTitle: Names for U.S. citizens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 43.35 KBOct 03 14:34
fewaYank really only referrers to New EnglandOct 03 14:34
schestowitzhttp://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-must-make-more-apps-for-the-iphone-2009-9Oct 03 14:35
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Must Make More Apps For The iPhone (MSFT, AAPL) .::. Size~: 70.8 KBOct 03 14:35
fewaDuring the 18th centuryOct 03 14:35
fewaeven at the endOct 03 14:35
fewaeveryone was known by their stateOct 03 14:35
fewaie virginianOct 03 14:36
fewathat tradition is still being held by congressOct 03 14:36
fewa"the gentlemen from New York"Oct 03 14:36
fewaetcOct 03 14:36
schestowitzMaybe we should call people from Asia "Chinese"Oct 03 14:37
schestowitzTo make things stand outOct 03 14:37
schestowitzPeople from Russia will be "Chinese"Oct 03 14:37
schestowitzAnd people from India tooOct 03 14:38
schestowitzCause it's the 'boss' of the continentOct 03 14:38
schestowitzOr.Oct 03 14:38
schestowitzCall the Chinese "Asians"Oct 03 14:38
schestowitzAnd the rest by their nationalityOct 03 14:38
schestowitzAs though China is 'the' Asian countryOct 03 14:38
schestowitzThen, in Africa you could say that Nigeria has the largest populationOct 03 14:39
schestowitzAnd then call Kenyans "Kenyans"Oct 03 14:39
schestowitzAnd to "Nigerians" "Africans"Oct 03 14:39
schestowitzThat would help people understand the "American" habit (US=America)Oct 03 14:39
schestowitzBut the US is composed of many states to be fairOct 03 14:39
fewano Russians will be "mongols"Oct 03 14:39
schestowitzWhich makes it uniqueOct 03 14:39
fewaand those from england "normans"Oct 03 14:40
schestowitzIt's hard to say United StatesianOct 03 14:40
fewaand those from france "romans"Oct 03 14:40
schestowitzLike "GNU/Linux" versus "Linux"Oct 03 14:40
schestowitzLinux in "GNU/Linux" is the US of the Free desktopOct 03 14:40
fewaand those from sicily "africans"Oct 03 14:40
MinceRno, i thought it would be more appropriate to call Chinese people "Asians" but nobody else from Asia that!Oct 03 14:40
fewaand those from the US "europeans"Oct 03 14:41
schestowitzAnd those from Palestine "Israelis"Oct 03 14:41
fewalolOct 03 14:41
schestowitzAnd those from the Milky way "earthlings"Oct 03 14:41
schestowitzThat tiny blue dotOct 03 14:41
MinceRi'm a Universan!Oct 03 14:41
MinceRand nobody else matters! ;)Oct 03 14:41
schestowitzQuasarians would have you, MinceROct 03 14:42
schestowitzGodsiansOct 03 14:42
fewaThat is actually something where we are in pretty good straightsOct 03 14:43
schestowitzhttp://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_TorvaldsOct 03 14:43
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 03 14:43
schestowitzMy name is Linus Torvalds and I am your god.Oct 03 14:43
schestowitz    * Jokingly introducing himself, at the 1998 Linux Expo in Durham, North Carolina, as quoted in Under the Radar : How Red Hat Changed the Software Business — and Took Microsoft by Surprise (1999) by Robert Young and Wendy Goldman Rohm, p. 111; also quoted in Just for Fun : The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary (2001) by Linus Torvalds and David DiamondOct 03 14:43
fewaschestowitz, re: DellOct 03 14:43
schestowitzhttp://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25431Oct 03 14:43
phIRCeTitle: Gamasutra - News - Microsoft Invests In South Korean Game Developers .::. Size~: 34.78 KBOct 03 14:43
schestowitzMicrosoft teaches Windows-only developmentOct 03 14:44
fewaits part of the "cure of largeness"Oct 03 14:44
fewa*curseOct 03 14:44
trmancololOct 03 14:44
trmancogamasutraOct 03 14:44
trmancothat's a funny nameOct 03 14:44
fewa*curse of bignessOct 03 14:44
schestowitztrmanco: yes, old nameOct 03 14:44
fewaLouis BrandeisOct 03 14:44
schestowitzthe gamasurta has the curse of largenessOct 03 14:44
schestowitzThat ought to get one thinkingOct 03 14:45
fewaor fleeing!Oct 03 14:45
schestowitzMS has run out of engineers http://www.radio-canada.ca/radio/techno/commentaires-125934.shtmlOct 03 14:46
schestowitzNow instead of curing the arm they just shop it offOct 03 14:47
schestowitzI can't wait until the next IE flawOct 03 14:47
trmancolooolOct 03 14:47
schestowitzMaybe they'll just "disable" IEOct 03 14:47
trmancogive it a monthOct 03 14:47
schestowitzThat ought to resolve the issueOct 03 14:47
schestowitz /shop/chop/Oct 03 14:47
schestowitzchop *LOL*Oct 03 14:47
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/gates-dad-ballmer-bank-allen-charter/Oct 03 14:48
phIRCeTitle: Money Matters for Gates, Ballmer and Allen Families | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 124.03 KBOct 03 14:48
schestowitzIn relation to the phrase “chop, chop, chop”, our reader points to Alice Cooper’a video/performance of “Chop, Chop Chop” and adds some lyrics...Oct 03 14:48
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/business/17corner.html?ref=technologyOct 03 14:48
schestowitz"My brain is just chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. And so, if you really want to get the best out of people" --SteveBOct 03 14:48
phIRCeTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.74 KBOct 03 14:48
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/180575.asp?from=blog_last3Oct 03 14:49
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft reports executive salaries, bonuses .::. Size~: 68.49 KBOct 03 14:49
schestowitzWhen a company -- ANY company -- reduces wages of the elites, then you know something VERY horrible happenedOct 03 14:50
schestowitzMicrosoft will report next financial result EXACTLY ONE DAY after VIsta 7 launchOct 03 14:50
schestowitzIt's intentionalOct 03 14:50
schestowitzIt's not just a coinicdenceOct 03 14:50
fewaniceOct 03 14:50
trmancoahhhhhOct 03 14:50
trmancohttp://bitbucket.org/Oct 03 14:50
schestowitzI'm sure the bad results will be eclipse by Tupperware parties and shillsOct 03 14:50
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 03 14:50
trmancorightOct 03 14:51
fewaTupperware partiesOct 03 14:51
fewalololOct 03 14:51
fewaits such a jokeOct 03 14:51
fewawhat day?Oct 03 14:51
schestowitzHas anyone heard of Surface lately?Oct 03 14:52
schestowitzI think it's dead, dea.Oct 03 14:52
schestowitzfewa: 23rdOct 03 14:52
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138725/Microsoft_s_Ballmer_finds_wallet_a_little_lighterOct 03 14:52
phIRCeTitle:  Microsoft's Ballmer finds wallet a little lighter .::. Size~: 126.62 KBOct 03 14:52
schestowitzMicrosoft tries becoming a h/w company: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/09/microsofts_cour.html;jsessionid=EAQU2TFOP03VVQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVNOct 03 14:53
trmancoamazon is b0rkedOct 03 14:53
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft's Courier: It Could Happen - Microsoft Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 91.48 KBOct 03 14:53
schestowitztrmanco: can you get album covers in amarok?Oct 03 14:53
schestowitzIt can't seem to connectOct 03 14:53
trmancoamazon is borkedOct 03 14:53
trmanco...Oct 03 14:53
schestowitzI get album covers for streaming servuicesOct 03 14:53
trmancoI'm still on 2.1 and I don't think it worksOct 03 14:53
schestowitzBut that's separate. It does scrape them off AmazonOct 03 14:53
schestowitzmaybe they blocked itOct 03 14:53
trmancoI'll have to update to karmic to get the EQ with 2.2Oct 03 14:54
schestowitzThis reminds me of the OLPC 2 prototypes that never came true: http://www.pcworld.com/article/172872/microsofts_courier_tablet_details_emerge.htmlOct 03 14:55
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft's Courier Tablet Details Emerge - PC World .::. Size~: 77.5 KBOct 03 14:55
trmancofrom #bitbucketOct 03 14:55
trmanco"amazon decided to nuke their zone, which in turn means we're down. have to wait for them to fix it."Oct 03 14:55
schestowitzThey shows drawings and stuff and just sell dreams, not productsOct 03 14:55
schestowitzWhy change EQ/Oct 03 14:56
schestowitzI used to do it when I used laptop speakers cause they did bass poorlyOct 03 14:56
schestowitzBut the EQ work is pre-done at the studiosOct 03 14:56
trmancoyes, but I need more "power"Oct 03 14:56
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/28/charlie-brooker-microsoft-mac-windowsOct 03 14:57
schestowitzSomething always had to be 'killed' for drama to exist: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/2907481/Microsofts-Norton-killer-out-this-weekOct 03 14:59
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft's 'Norton-killer' out this week | Stuff.co.nz .::. Size~: 41.98 KBOct 03 14:59
schestowitzAmarok2 has very thin menus, trmancoOct 03 14:59
schestowitzI think they decided to simplify it greatlyOct 03 15:00
schestowitzMake it kind of light and the settings more friendlyOct 03 15:00
trmanco2.2 can now connect to remote mysql db'sOct 03 15:00
schestowitzBut some stuff that use to exist is missing or moved to extensionsOct 03 15:00
schestowitzThat's OK w/ meOct 03 15:00
schestowitztrmanco: what for?Oct 03 15:00
schestowitzIt's easy to program this by using the mysql functionalityOct 03 15:00
trmancofor some people that find it usefulOct 03 15:01
schestowitzBut do you need some remove DB to telll you what to play locally?Oct 03 15:01
schestowitzit's good if you play music at home and at workOct 03 15:01
schestowitzAnd want to synch playlistOct 03 15:01
schestowitzMost people will not know how to program/set up a mysql server, but they can make a gui for itOct 03 15:02
schestowitzMysQL bookmarks in Konq would be goodOct 03 15:02
schestowitzOr just a file that's kept on a shared server with the bookmarksOct 03 15:02
schestowitzFirefox has thatOct 03 15:02
schestowitzBut third partiiesOct 03 15:02
schestowitzGoogle alsoOct 03 15:02
schestowitzGood Google search obviated the need for a high % of boommark accessesOct 03 15:03
schestowitzYou could type something in the Bookmark filter or scroll at the same time that a "I'm feeling lucky" would takeOct 03 15:03
fewamysql is a painOct 03 15:04
fewathey could at least make a helpful console or somethingOct 03 15:04
fewathere is a gui that is decent, but it cant do anythingOct 03 15:04
fewa*everythingOct 03 15:05
fewa:POct 03 15:05
schestowitzCan this count as a dead product? http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/microsoft-terminating-musiwave-operator-deals/2009-10-02Oct 03 15:06
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft terminating Musiwave operator deals - FierceMobileContent .::. Size~: 40.18 KBOct 03 15:06
schestowitzhttp://virtualizationreview.com/articles/2009/10/02/microsoft-unmoved-by-published-smb-exploit.aspxOct 03 15:07
schestowitzFrom a Microsoft manageineOct 03 15:07
phIRCeTitle: Bug in Server Message Block Still Unpatched -- Virtualization Review .::. Size~: 50.78 KBOct 03 15:07
schestowitz"Virtualization Review ." is a deceiving nameOct 03 15:07
schestowitzIt's Microsoft spinOct 03 15:07
schestowitzAnd it's from the "Microsoft press"Oct 03 15:08
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schestowitz"Oct 03 15:08
schestowitz# Redmond Channel PartnerOct 03 15:08
schestowitz# Redmond Developer NewsOct 03 15:08
schestowitz# Redmond EventsOct 03 15:08
schestowitz# Redmond Media GroupOct 03 15:08
schestowitz# Redmond ReportOct 03 15:08
schestowitz"Oct 03 15:08
fewathere are hundreds, thousands of sites like thatOct 03 15:09
fewathey are all clonesOct 03 15:09
fewa"news"Oct 03 15:09
schestowitzfewa: healthcare issues are solved at last!! http://kara.allthingsd.com/20091001/msn-debuts-health/Oct 03 15:10
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Launches Online Health Service, My Health Info | Kara Swisher | BoomTown | AllThingsD .::. Size~: 56.97 KBOct 03 15:10
schestowitzJust pass it all to Microsoft. Trust them,.Oct 03 15:10
fewalolOct 03 15:10
schestowitzdownload your data as OOXML and view in Win/IE using Silver LieOct 03 15:10
fewaGive away all your data to MicrosoftOct 03 15:10
schestowitzWHy not?Oct 03 15:11
schestowitzIt's easierOct 03 15:11
fewacause they totally have the reputation of creating secure systems for protecting expremely private dataOct 03 15:11
schestowitzOff your mindOct 03 15:11
schestowitzOut of sight, out of mindOct 03 15:11
schestowitzTake orders from your leadersOct 03 15:11
schestowitzIt's easyOct 03 15:11
schestowitzJoin the militaryOct 03 15:11
fewain a way that _totally_ doesn't have a NSA backdoorOct 03 15:11
fewahttp://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/5/5263/1.htmlOct 03 15:11
phIRCeTitle: TP: How NSA access was built into Windows .::. Size~: 30.38 KBOct 03 15:11
schestowitzNSA=National Service of health AuthorityOct 03 15:12
schestowitzLike NHS for the US :-) :-)Oct 03 15:12
fewa:POct 03 15:12
fewahahahaOct 03 15:12
schestowitzNo Such Agency>?Oct 03 15:12
schestowitzNational Assassination Agency?Oct 03 15:13
fewayeah it took decades for congress just to admit it existedOct 03 15:13
schestowitzNo, that would be CIA, with help from FBIOct 03 15:13
schestowitzThe S stands for security :0Oct 03 15:13
fewaFor many years, its existence was not even acknowledged by the U.S. government, earning it the nickname, "No Such Agency" (NSA).Oct 03 15:13
schestowitzLike in Homeland SecurityOct 03 15:13
schestowitzOr the "D" in IDFOct 03 15:13
fewaStasiOct 03 15:13
schestowitzWe're always the victims under attackOct 03 15:13
schestowitzMust. Defend. Self.Oct 03 15:13
fewaStaatssicherheit, literally State SecurityOct 03 15:14
schestowitzThe Nazis invaded Poland claiming it would improve security if what I read is trueOct 03 15:14
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StasiOct 03 15:14
phIRCeTitle: Stasi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 117.17 KBOct 03 15:14
fewaHitler was nominated for the Nobel peace prizeOct 03 15:14
fewain 1939Oct 03 15:14
fewahttp://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/nomination.php?action=show&showid=2609Oct 03 15:14
phIRCeTitle: Nomination database .::. Size~: 13.03 KBOct 03 15:14
*schestowitz looksOct 03 15:15
fewaby a member of the Swedish parlimentOct 03 15:15
schestowitzWhat went wrong? /sarcasmOct 03 15:15
trmancotypoOct 03 15:15
trmanco:-POct 03 15:15
schestowitzWell, Nobel was SwedishOct 03 15:15
fewaand he created a weapon of mass destructionOct 03 15:15
trmancothat is sure a peacemakerOct 03 15:16
fewaso a peace prize is kinda ironicOct 03 15:16
trmancosure is*Oct 03 15:16
schestowitzBlue Screed of Death: http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/180741.asp?from=blog_last3Oct 03 15:17
phIRCeTitle: MSN launches beta service for managing health .::. Size~: 57.49 KBOct 03 15:17
schestowitzI'm not even going to comment on it :-)Oct 03 15:17
schestowitzNo-one pays attention to this 'product', luckilyOct 03 15:17
schestowitzMaybe the Mother TeresaGates will market this service when selling drugs to governmentsOct 03 15:18
schestowitzMake it a bundleOct 03 15:18
schestowitzWe give you patents to flue vaccine, you buy a contract for healthcare with MicrosoftOct 03 15:18
schestowitz"Give us all your records!"Oct 03 15:18
schestowitz"Or else your people will die from flu"Oct 03 15:18
schestowitzEasily curableOct 03 15:18
schestowitzhttp://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Newmarket-Technology-Inc-OTC-NWMT-1052529.htmlOct 03 15:19
phIRCeTitle: NewMarket Technology, Inc. Announces $2.5 Million Contract to Provide Microsoft Solution to Oil Company .::. Size~: 13.4 KBOct 03 15:19
schestowitzMicrosoft + Oil + <3Oct 03 15:19
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schestowitzhttp://sev.prnewswire.com/banking-financial-services/20090929/NY8339129092009-1.htmlOct 03 15:33
schestowitz"In June, Microsoft announced plans to discontinue its Microsoft Money desktop PFM software as of January 31, 2011, leaving millions of users without a good alternative."Oct 03 15:33
phIRCeTitle: Yodlee, Inc. :: Yodlee Introduces Financial Data Converter for Users of Microsoft Money .::. Size~: 12.52 KBOct 03 15:33
_Hicham_latest reports have stated that schestowitz is a big candidate for the next richest man on earthOct 03 15:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Revealed: millions spent by lobbyists fighting Obama health reforms http://tinyurl.com/yanjhypOct 03 15:57
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schestowitzhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/VOIP-and-Telephony/ATandT-Tells-FCC-Google-Voice-Violates-Network-Neutrality-Laws-697091/Oct 03 16:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @santhoshtr: Inkscape, DTP, Hyphenation : http://bit.ly/311MKX (new blogpost)Oct 03 16:26
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schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/24/microsoft-using-scare-tactics-for-google-browser-extensionOct 03 16:50
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Using Scare Tactics For Google Browser Extension? | WebProNews .::. Size~: 47.13 KBOct 03 16:51
schestowitz"When Ruby on Rails creator David Heinemeier Hansson put out a call to get more women interested in Rails, he caused a bit of a stir. "Oct 03 17:08
schestowitzhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Wooing-Women-Aboard-Ruby-on-Rails-298425/Oct 03 17:08
phIRCeTitle: Wooing Women Aboard Ruby on Rails .::. Size~: 97.46 KBOct 03 17:08
schestowitz"The Transaction Processing Performance Council (TPC), of which Oracle is a member, said it had asked Oracle to pay a US$10,000 fine for the violation."Oct 03 17:09
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/172931/oracle_fined_by_tpc_over_benchmarking_claims.htmlOct 03 17:09
phIRCeTitle: Oracle Fined by TPC Over Benchmarking Claims - Business Center - PC World .::. Size~: 45.23 KBOct 03 17:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @hfactor http://is.gd/3UrNL Jain shows the 'wonders' in Calicut University Computer Science question paper!Oct 03 17:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Having a bit of fun with #quakelive on my #ubuntu desktop. *blam* *blam* Yahaaaa! I lose.. oh. My nick is popeydc if you want a game.Oct 03 17:47
trmancohttp://29a.ch/jswars/Oct 03 18:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @mozhacks: This canvas video game has a soundtrack you can really rock out to: http://29a.ch/jswars/Oct 03 18:16
phIRCeTitle: JS WARS &mdash; 29a.ch - Jonas Wagner's Blog .::. Size~: 10.99 KBOct 03 18:17
schestowitzhttp://xkcd.com/644/Oct 03 18:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat has been up almost 300%! http://bit.ly/15nTIJOct 03 18:32
phIRCeTitle: Red Hat Investors Are Overpaying -- Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 67.34 KBOct 03 18:33
trmancohttp://www.webmaster-source.com/2009/10/02/simplepie-ceases-development/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=simplepie-ceases-developmentOct 03 18:41
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schestowitzI ought to post some Linux news. So much good stuff.Oct 03 18:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Does Well Even Without Marketing http://bit.ly/akraNOct 03 19:11
phIRCeTitle:  Linux Has No Marketing, But What if it Did?  .::. Size~: 33.1 KBOct 03 19:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista Disappointment Leads Man to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/3pew0 Great story tellingOct 03 19:13
phIRCeTitle: Blog of helios: The Twisting Path To Linux .::. Size~: 127.9 KBOct 03 19:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Library Runs #GNU Linux on 28 Machines http://www.pcworld.com/article/173009/article.htmlOct 03 19:15
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux #Privacy Enhancer ( #BleachBit ) Released http://bit.ly/1FI8dVOct 03 19:26
phIRCeTitle: Open source privacy enhancer BleachBit 0.6.5 released .::. Size~: 20.62 KBOct 03 19:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Loads of Powerful #KDE4 Software Comes http://bit.ly/lS5Ar http://bit.ly/50XOQ http://bit.ly/15yOz9 http://bit.ly/oj5Y1Oct 03 19:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top Themes for #GNOME Desktop Environments http://bit.ly/3nT6A9Oct 03 19:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Precompiled #Gentoo ( #Sabayon ) Released as Version 5 http://wgo.wolf911.us/?p=240 http://bit.ly/s7zlbOct 03 19:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The TCP/IP stack of Windows 7 is a mess. Can't just connect two switches. Have to use the router function of both routers. Trafic is SLOW!Oct 03 19:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Signs More Government Deals and Teaches #FOSS http://bit.ly/XnKte http://bit.ly/PHXKTOct 03 19:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Installed Windows 7 RC1 and Kubuntu 9.04 on my laptop. Updated KDE to 4.3.1 installed a few very nice additional plasmoids.Oct 03 19:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Gets Seamless More #Windows Binary Compatibility http://bit.ly/3Y0CnOct 03 19:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Beta Previews (Mostly Screenshots) http://bit.ly/3J963i http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5726Oct 03 19:39
phIRCeTitle: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala Beta Reviewed (Screenshots!) / Ubuntu Tutorials : Dapper  Hardy  Intrepid  Jaunty .::. Size~: 48.58 KBOct 03 19:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Reaches Alpha http://bit.ly/qi9DxOct 03 19:40
phIRCeTitle: Fedora 12 Alpha Announcement - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 17.1 KBOct 03 19:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Manimum PC Covers #GNU #Linux Sub-notebook Options http://bit.ly/dJ2i8Oct 03 19:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Subnotebooks ( #ChromeOS ) to Come Soon, Maybe This Month http://bit.ly/E7j1fOct 03 19:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Rwandan Schools Run #GNU #Linux on #OLPC XOs (Video) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8268301.stm http://bit.ly/skoA1Oct 03 19:53
phIRCeTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 81.66 KBOct 03 19:53
phIRCeTitle: Education in Uruguay: Laptops for all | The Economist .::. Size~: 59.32 KBOct 03 19:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer Throws #Windows (Mobile) to the Trash, Focuses on #Linux http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091002PD211.html http://bit.ly/1suasOct 03 19:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #ZaReason 's #GNU #Linux -only http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6862/1/Oct 03 19:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Carries on Improving and Adds #GNOME to #Sugar http://bit.ly/IJgBB http://bit.ly/fkD2oOct 03 20:01
phIRCeTitle: The Innovator's Opportunity with OLPC - OLPC News .::. Size~: 77.71 KBOct 03 20:02
phIRCeTitle: Video: XO-1.5 Laptop Dual Boot - Gnome and Sugar UI - OLPC News .::. Size~: 89.24 KBOct 03 20:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.10 (Beta) - O/S Called Impressive http://bit.ly/pBi1wOct 03 20:03
phIRCeTitle: Test run: Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.10 Beta on my Dell Mini 10v «  Mathiaz's Weblog .::. Size~: 19.15 KBOct 03 20:03
trmancohttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/03/conficker_infects_oxford_brookes/Oct 03 20:03
phIRCeTitle: Conficker smites Oxford Brookes network • The Register .::. Size~: 23.07 KBOct 03 20:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux with #Hadoop Keeps Flying Into More #Servers http://bit.ly/g5fnn http://bit.ly/FofraOct 03 20:05
phIRCeTitle: Cloudera hangs (more) elephants in sky • The Register .::. Size~: 23.08 KBOct 03 20:05
phIRCeTitle: Web GUI hides number-crunching open source elephant • The Register .::. Size~: 24.81 KBOct 03 20:05
schestowitztrmanco: excellentOct 03 20:06
schestowitzMore UK examplesOct 03 20:06
schestowitzBig list and growingOct 03 20:06
schestowitzPlausible deniability wearing thinOct 03 20:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz you just *know* someone is going to buy you this as a Christmas present http://is.gd/3UMmKOct 03 20:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BritishTelecom Picks #FOSS for Analytics http://bit.ly/2134tG http://bit.ly/1M2AK8Oct 03 20:09
phIRCeTitle: Windows 7 to come in 'Steve Ballmer' edition | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 245.87 KBOct 03 20:09
phIRCeTitle: British Telecom picks Jaspersoft for analytics | Software, Interrupted - CNET News .::. Size~: 82.12 KBOct 03 20:09
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MikeC_Hey Roy, here's one for you!Oct 03 20:10
MikeC_http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=230123Oct 03 20:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Surveys Show That #FreeSoftware is Winning Businesses http://bit.ly/1qjrXT http://bit.ly/1s0H3c http://bit.ly/orYmTOct 03 20:15
phIRCeTitle: Report: More SMBs Are Adopting Open Source | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 78.83 KBOct 03 20:16
phIRCeTitle: Chinese IT shops love the free-ness of open source • The Register .::. Size~: 23.86 KBOct 03 20:16
phIRCeTitle:  Open Source Changing Face of Content Management Market, Says Report from .::. Size~: 51 KBOct 03 20:16
schestowitzHey, MikeC_Oct 03 20:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australian #Law Reform Commission Embraces #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/JuIgBOct 03 20:19
phIRCeTitle: ALRC going for open source CMS website - alrc, cms, drupal - Computerworld .::. Size~: 78.02 KBOct 03 20:19
schestowitzThat "Surfing The Apocalypse" site looks like it was pulled from 1995Oct 03 20:19
schestowitzMikeC_: you're gonna come to Fitness First?Oct 03 20:19
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MikeC_I think i should how's the hair?Oct 03 20:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Launches New security Project, More http://bit.ly/100hKP http://bit.ly/JF2HUOct 03 20:25
phIRCeTitle: Mozilla unveils cure for Web 2.0 world run amok • The Register .::. Size~: 25.18 KBOct 03 20:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] AMD's Latest Freedom/Openness Gesture http://bit.ly/NTEcp http://bit.ly/2ArJDy http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15772/1/Oct 03 20:27
phIRCeTitle: AMD Announces Open Physics Initiative - PC World .::. Size~: 72.68 KBOct 03 20:27
phIRCeTitle: Open Source: Green Vehicle | CARNORAMA .::. Size~: 49.8 KBOct 03 20:27
schestowitzMikeC_: it's OKOct 03 20:28
schestowitzI'm gonna go there tomorrowOct 03 20:28
schestowitzNeed to practiceOct 03 20:28
MikeC_good idea, sid is looking good too, although he had an extra go at the sit ups this tuesdayOct 03 20:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Python Power: Programming a Game in Just Minutes http://bit.ly/1LPFzCOct 03 20:32
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trmancooh glossOct 03 20:33
trmancoI've read about itOct 03 20:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon 's #Censorship of #1984 Costs Them a Fortune http://bit.ly/3poAJfOct 03 20:34
phIRCeTitle: Amazon coughs $150k to student over lost notes • The Register .::. Size~: 22.2 KBOct 03 20:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA #Cartel Resorts to #AstroTurfing http://techdirt.com/articles/20091001/0154256379.shtml http://bit.ly/PMkQbOct 03 20:37
phIRCeTitle: Entertainment Industry Propaganda Organization Kicks Off Hilarious Astroturf Letter Writing Campaign | Techdirt .::. Size~: 42.38 KBOct 03 20:37
phIRCeTitle: Moral Panics and the Copyright Wars: We Are Copyright Alliance, Hear Us Roar .::. Size~: 100.94 KBOct 03 20:37
trmancohehOct 03 20:38
trmancoWindows for cloud computingOct 03 20:38
trmancowho would use that?Oct 03 20:38
schestowitzWhat is cloud?? There's no such thingOct 03 20:38
schestowitzWindows Server stinksOct 03 20:38
schestowitzSo there's Microsoft's hope for Fog ComputingOct 03 20:39
trmancoLOLOct 03 20:40
trmancofog computing - A cheap variant of cloud computingOct 03 20:40
schestowitzMore dense oneOct 03 20:41
schestowitzThere's no such thing as cloud computingOct 03 20:41
schestowitzI first saw the term in 2007Oct 03 20:41
trmancodense? cloud are also really dense :-POct 03 20:41
schestowitzAnd I thought, "what is this?"Oct 03 20:41
schestowitzAmazon marketed this in this wayOct 03 20:41
trmancothan what do you call it?Oct 03 20:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Complies with the #WaronProtocols http://bit.ly/2sLd26Oct 03 20:42
phIRCeTitle: Google strips Pirate Bay homepage from search results • The Register .::. Size~: 22.55 KBOct 03 20:43
trmancoit's back on the frontpageOct 03 20:43
trmancoit was an errorOct 03 20:43
trmanco"error"Oct 03 20:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #EULA Bubble Blown Apart http://techdirt.com/articles/20091001/1805496397.shtmlOct 03 20:44
phIRCeTitle: Court Once Again Confirms Right Of First Sale For Software: You Own It, Not License It | Techdirt .::. Size~: 61.77 KBOct 03 20:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Australian Party to Challenge Existing #IntellectualMonopoly Law http://bit.ly/MyXBHOct 03 20:46
phIRCeTitle: Australian Pirate Party sets sail • The Register .::. Size~: 24.51 KBOct 03 20:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Wants Customer-hostile #Patents http://bit.ly/15jnM6Oct 03 20:48
phIRCeTitle: Slashdot Apple Story | Apple Wants Patents For Crippling Cellphones .::. Size~: 176.05 KBOct 03 20:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Sued, #EFF Goes Against the #Acacia #PatentTroll http://bit.ly/4GBoLb http://bit.ly/adzmt #swpatOct 03 20:49
phIRCeTitle: Google Caught In Another Patent Dispute | WebProNews .::. Size~: 32.46 KBOct 03 20:49
phIRCeTitle: Federal Court Partially Invalidates One of EFF Most Wanted Patents: Acacia Research Streaming Media | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 16.48 KBOct 03 20:49
schestowitztrmanco: call it serverOct 03 20:49
schestowitzOr SaaSOct 03 20:49
schestowitzAlthough all software is SaaSOct 03 20:49
schestowitzUnless you define service to be at layer of n/wOct 03 20:49
schestowitzRather than PC componentsOct 03 20:49
schestowitzMeaning, I do some task and the distance of the 'stuff' that handles this task is great enough to be 'away' (i.e. 'cloud')Oct 03 20:50
schestowitzIt's cloud, thus it's from heavenOct 03 20:50
JPerlowgood evening roy.Oct 03 20:50
schestowitzAnd your secrets (data) are safe with the flying spaghetti monsterOct 03 20:50
schestowitzHey, JPerlowOct 03 20:50
schestowitzWhat's up?Oct 03 20:50
JPerlowdownloding opensuse M8Oct 03 20:50
schestowitzIt's goodOct 03 20:50
JPerlowgoing to take a looke at kde 4.3Oct 03 20:51
trmancom8?Oct 03 20:51
JPerlowmilestone 8Oct 03 20:51
JPerlowof 11.2Oct 03 20:51
trmancoohOct 03 20:51
jonoJPerlow, you tried the new Ubuntu Beta?Oct 03 20:51
JPerlowtried?Oct 03 20:51
JPerlowI guess you missed this.Oct 03 20:51
schestowitzHe uses itOct 03 20:51
jonooopsOct 03 20:51
schestowitzSee the Koala article, jonoOct 03 20:51
jono:)Oct 03 20:51
jonowhich one?Oct 03 20:51
JPerlowhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11218Oct 03 20:51
jonothanksOct 03 20:51
schestowitzSomethign about MarsupialsOct 03 20:51
JPerlowand I did some podcast commentary as well.Oct 03 20:51
JPerlowhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11235Oct 03 20:52
jonoreadingOct 03 20:52
JPerlowI did a demo videoOct 03 20:52
JPerlowof how fast it runsOct 03 20:52
JPerlowhavent run it on real hardware yetOct 03 20:52
JPerlowjust virtualizedOct 03 20:52
JPerlowthen again, I dont run anything on real hardware anymoreOct 03 20:53
JPerlowmy only "real hardware" OS is Windows 7Oct 03 20:53
JPerlowand various server OSesOct 03 20:53
jonothis is great, thanks so much JPerlowOct 03 20:53
jonodid you file bugs for the problems you found?Oct 03 20:54
JPerlowI am not sure I am encountering normal bugsOct 03 20:54
JPerlowI need to play with it moreOct 03 20:54
JPerlowI do file when I find severe onesOct 03 20:54
jonoJPerlow, feel free to let me know if you are unsure if something is a bugOct 03 20:54
jonohappy to happyOct 03 20:54
jonowant to make sure this release is as rocking as possible :)Oct 03 20:54
jonoschestowitz, have you given it a whirl yet?Oct 03 20:55
JPerlowyeah the main issue I am having is auto connect of networkOct 03 20:55
jonoschestowitz, you use Kubuntu, right?Oct 03 20:55
JPerlowI have to click on the network to turn it on when the gui bootsOct 03 20:55
JPerlowbut thats in virtualboxOct 03 20:55
jonoahhhhOct 03 20:55
jonoif you could thoroughly test Empathy, that would be awesomeOct 03 20:55
jonothat is where we need a lot of focusOct 03 20:55
JPerlowalso there seems to be an issue where if you dont turn the network on first, and you attempt to browse, then you turn the network back on, the windows network browsing breaksOct 03 20:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Lobbies for the Terrible Lisbon Treaty http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0930/1224255526136.htmlOct 03 20:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Lobbies for the Terrible #LisbonTreaty http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0930/1224255526136.htmlOct 03 20:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Brings #IntellectualMonopolies to Arab States http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20090927094106Oct 03 20:56
phIRCeTitle: Yes vote very important, says Microsoft chief - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 30, 2009 .::. Size~: 42.37 KBOct 03 20:56
phIRCeTitle: Yes vote very important, says Microsoft chief - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 30, 2009 .::. Size~: 42.37 KBOct 03 20:56
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 302 Object moved .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 03 20:56
jonoJPerlow, see http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/10/02/ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-beta-released-testers-needed/Oct 03 20:56
JPerlowI'm not sure what service gnome uses for that SMB browsing serviceOct 03 20:56
jonothat sounds like a bugOct 03 20:56
JPerlowI'll file themOct 03 20:56
jonothanks :)Oct 03 20:56
schestowitzjono: I haven't tried the betaOct 03 20:56
schestowitzI get the patchesOct 03 20:56
jonothat blog post I just linked you to outlines some things to testOct 03 20:56
jonoschestowitz, patches?Oct 03 20:57
JPerlowjono what part of ubuntu are you responsible for/Oct 03 20:57
schestowitzLast night it booted into the x-less thingieOct 03 20:57
schestowitzI think cause it got a new driver for the graphics cardOct 03 20:57
schestowitzQuick update and reboot and it worked OKOct 03 20:57
schestowitzjono: here's the thing.Oct 03 20:57
JPerlowjono the speed improvements are primarily due to the init system and udev correctOct 03 20:57
schestowitzYou might want to avoid home users from being stuck like thisOct 03 20:58
jonoJPerlow, I am the Ubuntu Community ManagerOct 03 20:58
schestowitzBut it's development versionOct 03 20:58
schestowitzSomeone else might be more intimidatd by itOct 03 20:58
schestowitzsudo apt-get updateOct 03 20:58
jonoJPerlow, my job is to build an enjoyable, productive and diverse communityOct 03 20:58
JPerlowjono, ah you're the ubuntu equivalent of zonkerOct 03 20:58
schestowitzMy net daemon was running OKOct 03 20:58
jonobut I help a lot with QA, testing and getting the release sheenedOct 03 20:58
jonoJPerlow, yepOct 03 20:58
jonoJPerlow, I joined Canonical three years ago and now have a team of threeOct 03 20:58
JPerlowyeah I seem to be friends with most of those community mgrsOct 03 20:59
jonoI am one of the seven senior Ubuntu platform managersOct 03 20:59
JPerlowI know jim grisanzio at sun very wellOct 03 20:59
jonoJPerlow, zonker is a great guyOct 03 20:59
JPerlowand zonkerOct 03 20:59
jonolove him to bits :)Oct 03 20:59
jonoJim is awesomeOct 03 20:59
JPerlowzonker used to be my editor at linux magazineOct 03 20:59
jonoahhhOct 03 20:59
JPerlowbefore he went to opensuseOct 03 20:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Update on Attempts to Legalise #SoftwarePatents in #Europe ('Community' Patent) http://www.ipjur.com/blog2/index.php?/archives/122-Yet- ...Oct 03 21:00
phIRCeTitle: BLOG@IPJUR.COM  .::. Size~: 35.46 KBOct 03 21:00
JPerlowI dont really know the guy who runs fedoraOct 03 21:00
jonorightOct 03 21:00
JPerlowevery time I try to talk to him about fedoraOct 03 21:00
jonoMax Spevak and Paul FrieldsOct 03 21:00
JPerlowhe wants to talk about rhelOct 03 21:00
jonogreat guysOct 03 21:00
jonohahaOct 03 21:00
jonothat might be MaxOct 03 21:00
jonohe has moved back to Fedora from RHEL nowOct 03 21:00
jonoI have Fedora stickers on my laptopOct 03 21:00
jonowe are all part of the same team, is the way I see it :)Oct 03 21:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF and #SFLC File Objection to #SoftwarePatents in #Bilski Case http://bit.ly/15DhHU http://bit.ly/23EPMX #swpatOct 03 21:02
phIRCeTitle: FSF files brief in Bilski case calling on the Supreme Court to eliminate software patents - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 30.44 KBOct 03 21:02
phIRCeTitle: Groklaw - SFLC files Bilski brief: Software  should not be patentable and don't forget the 1st Amendment .::. Size~: 127.57 KBOct 03 21:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oxford Brookes a Victim of Windows Vulnerabilities http://bit.ly/E9Pj9Oct 03 21:07
phIRCeTitle: Conficker smites Oxford Brookes network • The Register .::. Size~: 23.08 KBOct 03 21:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Violation of the Law in #Mississippi : Payments Impending http://bit.ly/UvXgAOct 03 21:08
phIRCeTitle: Attorney General Hood: Make claims on Mississippi's Microsoft settlement by Oct. 16 - WREG .::. Size~: 56.88 KBOct 03 21:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Visa Applications Discriminate Against Free Software Users http://gnowgi.org/2009/10/02/usvisab/Oct 03 21:10
phIRCeTitle: US Visa application not possible if you use free software! « Gnowgi .::. Size~: 35.53 KBOct 03 21:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Indirectly Linked to Fraud Charges http://www.reuters.com/article/smallBusinessNews/idUSTRE58S5U820090929Oct 03 21:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Gordon Brown threatens Britain with fireside podcasts http://is.gd/3URA2Oct 03 21:12
phIRCeTitle: Gordon Brown threatens Britain with fireside podcasts - News of the News .::. Size~: 32.05 KBOct 03 21:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Payments at Microsoft Decline and Goldman Sachs Banksters Downgrade MSFT http://bit.ly/DRuWT http://bit.ly/11b0koOct 03 21:14
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Drops on Cut From Goldman ‘Conviction’ List (Update2)  - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 27.64 KBOct 03 21:14
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Cuts Into Executive Pay For Tough Year - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 112.91 KBOct 03 21:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista 7 Functionality is Already Broken (Stuff That Worked Fine in #Vista ) http://bit.ly/25sB1bOct 03 21:21
phIRCeTitle: 5 Windows 7 Issues Microsoft Needs To Address Now .::. Size~: 25.18 KBOct 03 21:21
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Robert Cringely Accuses Microsoft of Bribing for #Vista7 Hype http://bit.ly/fw8NUOct 03 21:24
phIRCeTitle: The Redmond Hype Machine Revs Its Engines — Again - PC World .::. Size~: 72.17 KBOct 03 21:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nominum 's #FUD Attack on #FreeSoftware Leads to Damage Control and "Sponsored" Posts http://bit.ly/vDwNgOct 03 21:28
phIRCeTitle: Nominum on the back foot over open source attacks • The Register .::. Size~: 27.72 KBOct 03 21:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Xbox360 Defects Spread to Games Too http://bit.ly/2EIZdkOct 03 21:30
phIRCeTitle: News : Microsoft comments on defective ODSTs [Xbox 360] - from GamePro.com .::. Size~: 79.52 KBOct 03 21:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Suggested activities for your #Windows7 launch party http://bit.ly/6IYB8Oct 03 21:41
phIRCeTitle: 20 Ways to Spice up Your Windows 7 Launch Party .::. Size~: 30.52 KBOct 03 21:41
schestowitzFTA: '19. Reminisce about the good ol’ days of DOS. Then go download Linux.'Oct 03 21:47
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JPerlowopensuse m8 no likey virtualboxOct 03 22:18
JPerlowinstaller blew up in my face, cant initialize xOct 03 22:18
JPerlowvery strangeOct 03 22:18
JPerlowgave it the same resource config as koalaOct 03 22:18
JPerlowman kde 4.3 confuses the hell out of meOct 03 22:24
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trmancohttp://www.ugarro.com/blog/blog4.php/2009/10/04/linux-on-everythingOct 03 22:42
phIRCeTitle: Linux on everything! .::. Size~: 17.7 KBOct 03 22:42
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phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Michael Moore's Message to Barack Obama and Blue Dog Democrats .::. Size~: 167.56 KBOct 03 22:43
schestowitzJPerlow: kde4 works great for meOct 03 22:52
JPerlowjust feeling my way aroundOct 03 22:55
JPerlowI may try kubuntu 9.10 a wellOct 03 22:55
JPerlowopensuse's implementation may be heavily modifiedOct 03 22:55
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JPerlowits definitely prettyOct 03 23:06
JPerlowtrying to figure out now to make a new desktop folderOct 03 23:07
JPerlowcan you only have one?Oct 03 23:09
schestowitzYesOct 03 23:11
JPerlowthats unfortunateOct 03 23:11
schestowitz~/DesktopOct 03 23:11
schestowitzYou could direct it at any other directory, e.g. ~/desktop2Oct 03 23:11
JPerlowI'd like to have more of those areas to move aroundOct 03 23:11
schestowitzJust add "widget"Oct 03 23:11
schestowitzSelect folderviewOct 03 23:11
schestowitzI do microblogging from a widget... two evenOct 03 23:12
JPerlowI see they are trying to do this in an object oriented wayOct 03 23:12
JPerlowthats going to take some getting used toOct 03 23:13
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schestowitzJPerlow: you'd never know if you don't try it (Change) :-DOct 03 23:13
JPerlowthis seems like UI overkillOct 03 23:14
JPerlowbut I;ll try the kubuntu implementationOct 03 23:14
JPerlowmaybe suse is differentOct 03 23:14
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JPerlowjono: downloading kubuntu-desktopOct 03 23:14
JPerlowgonna see what youve done with itOct 03 23:14
jonoJPerlow, awesome :)Oct 03 23:15
JPerlowyour servers are totally hammereOct 03 23:15
JPerlowhammeredOct 03 23:15
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jonoJPerlow, yeah, things are slow nowOct 03 23:18
jonoright, I best run, bugs filed, heading outOct 03 23:19
jonotake care folks!Oct 03 23:19
jonohope Kubuntu works well for you JPerlow :-)Oct 03 23:19
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schestowitzThis video is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqh6Ap9ldTs&NR=1Oct 03 23:40
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Bowling for Columbine - A brief history of the USA .::. Size~: 126.97 KBOct 03 23:40
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cubezzzin 1024x768 video pixels are not quite square?Oct 03 23:42
MinceRon a 4:3 monitor, they areOct 03 23:45
MinceRon a 16:9 or 16:10 monitor, the sides remain black and they can then still be squareOct 03 23:45
cubezzzit's not I just measured with a rulerOct 03 23:45
MinceR1280x1024 is the resolution that results in non-square pixels on most monitorsOct 03 23:45
MinceRis it an LCD or a CRT display?Oct 03 23:45
cubezzzI draw a square say 400x400Oct 03 23:45
cubezzzLCDOct 03 23:46
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cubezzzit's a bit taller than wideOct 03 23:46
MinceRperhaps your LCD has nonsquare pixelsOct 03 23:47
cubezzzhmmmOct 03 23:48
MinceRi think i've seen 5:4 LCD-s with a native resolution of 1280x1024Oct 03 23:48
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_goblingood evening all.Oct 03 23:52
MinceRhayOct 03 23:52
_goblin:)Oct 03 23:52
_goblinjust finished work....2 days off now!Oct 03 23:52
cubezzzMinceR, just measured on my laptop, and it is square on that oneOct 03 23:53
cubezzzthat's weirdOct 03 23:53
MinceR:)Oct 03 23:54
MinceRon a CRT you can change the shape pixels get mapped to :>Oct 03 23:54
cubezzzbut not on a LCD?Oct 03 23:54
MinceRon an LCD you have native pixelsOct 03 23:55
cubezzzif I could change vertical size then...Oct 03 23:55
MinceRof course you can map logical pixels to them in many ways, but it will be ugly unless there's a 1:1 relationshipOct 03 23:55
cubezzzbut I probably can't right? :)Oct 03 23:55
MinceRwell, the nvidia drivers i've fiddled with offered stretching the image to fill the display, stretching it while preserving aspect ratio and centering it at original sizeOct 03 23:56
MinceR(that is, when you aren't using the native resolution, of course :) )Oct 03 23:56
cubezzzthe physical display is 13.25 x 10.5"Oct 03 23:57
MinceRthat's very close to 5:4Oct 03 23:57
MinceRprobably isOct 03 23:57
cubezzzhmmmmOct 03 23:57
MinceRwhat's the native resolution?Oct 03 23:57
cubezzzI don't think I want thatOct 03 23:57
cubezzznot sure, checking manual nowOct 03 23:58
cubezzzmax res: 1280x1024Oct 03 23:59
cubezzz@75 HzOct 03 23:59
MinceRthen you'd be best served by using that resolutionOct 03 23:59
MinceRit will most likely yield square pixels, tooOct 03 23:59

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