IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 6th, 2009

Chips_B_Malroy	Goblin: did your amiga software work in virtualbox? That was how you were running it?	Oct 06 00:02
_goblin	I was using E-UAE	Oct 06 00:02
Chips_B_Malroy	or anyone else	Oct 06 00:02
Chips_B_Malroy	ok, there is a free version of the os	Oct 06 00:03
_goblin	I still am.....Ive devpac 2 as an .adf and an emulated harddisk file for my data...	Oct 06 00:03
Chips_B_Malroy	was thinking to try it in a vm	Oct 06 00:03
Chips_B_Malroy	have ran some games in UAW	Oct 06 00:03
_goblin	ah, are you talking about AmigaOS?	Oct 06 00:03
Chips_B_Malroy	*UAE	Oct 06 00:03
Chips_B_Malroy	yes	Oct 06 00:04
_goblin	ok.	Oct 06 00:04
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_goblin	have you looked at AROS?	Oct 06 00:04
Chips_B_Malroy	my next projects is to try to get more exotic systems running in vm's	Oct 06 00:05
Chips_B_Malroy	its not on my old system as its only lately I got a machine with AMD-V	Oct 06 00:05
oiaohm	AROS is truely fun. You have Linux version and own native kernel version.	Oct 06 00:05
Chips_B_Malroy	so I would have to look for the iso, but it was a free (I think open source) version of the amigaOS, and 64 bit I am thinking	Oct 06 00:06
oiaohm	Only open source version of amiga0S I know of is AROS	Oct 06 00:07
Chips_B_Malroy	also, I want to make a vm with an old linux that will run wordperfect, corel, and most loki games	Oct 06 00:07
Chips_B_Malroy	Oiaohm and Goblin, yes its Aros	Oct 06 00:08
Chips_B_Malroy	so many things you can do with Linux and Virtualbox	Oct 06 00:09
oiaohm	So you have not got to playing with kvm yet.	Oct 06 00:09
oiaohm	Particularly with ksm patch.	Oct 06 00:09
oiaohm	Yes that can be sport working out how many copies of a OS you can run side by side.	Oct 06 00:10
Chips_B_Malroy	no, not yet	Oct 06 00:10
oiaohm	ksm even with virtual box is handy.	Oct 06 00:10
oiaohm	Duplicate pages in memory get merged	Oct 06 00:10
oiaohm	Linux based and vmware are the two types of virtual machines that can run the most intestances because they both use the same trick.	Oct 06 00:11
Chips_B_Malroy	I like my VM's, for even the old OS'es, and the abtract ones. Maybe now I can get OS/2 and BeOS running in VM's also	Oct 06 00:12
schestowitz	oiaohm: thanks, got it	Oct 06 00:13
Chips_B_Malroy	Odd, with Linux, I seem to be able, one way or another, in running almost any software, of course they are a few exceptions	Oct 06 00:14
Chips_B_Malroy	*there	Oct 06 00:14
Chips_B_Malroy	you could say the same for windows, but the platform underneath is not stable enough	Oct 06 00:15
Chips_B_Malroy	IMO	Oct 06 00:15
oiaohm	Dos gives the most problems Chips_B_Malroy	Oct 06 00:16
oiaohm	To be correct dos applications they push virtual machines in odd directions.	Oct 06 00:16
Chips_B_Malroy	It was great as usual talking with you folks, please keep up the good work. And the softies, well, maybe they will get an education here. LOL	Oct 06 00:17
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Chips_B_Malroy	one comment for Oiohm b4 I leave, Dos did not give me any problems in virtualbox. But really Dosbox is the way to go	Oct 06 00:18
oiaohm	I was talking across all vms Chips_B_Malroy if you want to find a vm defect run dos stuff.	Oct 06 00:19
oiaohm	I even have stuff that breaks dosbox.	Oct 06 00:19
Chips_B_Malroy	ok, makes sense	Oct 06 00:19
schestowitz	Future Firefox 4.0 Could Feature 'App Tabs' http://tech.yahoo.com/news/zd/20090929/tc_zd/244498	Oct 06 00:20
Chips_B_Malroy	the amount of stuff that does work in dosbox is mpressive	Oct 06 00:20
Chips_B_Malroy	gn	Oct 06 00:20
oiaohm	Everything bar windows 9x	Oct 06 00:20
Chips_B_Malroy	ok, now I cannot leave	Oct 06 00:21
Chips_B_Malroy	oiaohm, I have 98se working fine in virtualbox	Oct 06 00:21
Chips_B_Malroy	but it took some work	Oct 06 00:21
Chips_B_Malroy	universal video driver, and rain	Oct 06 00:21
Chips_B_Malroy	rain20 I think	Oct 06 00:21
Chips_B_Malroy	but you right its still slower in virtualbox than say xp is	Oct 06 00:22
Chips_B_Malroy	which is probably what u mean	Oct 06 00:22
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Chips_B_Malroy	95 I did not try or care too	Oct 06 00:23
Chips_B_Malroy	windows 3.11 and dos yes	Oct 06 00:23
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Chips_B_Malroy	Nothing seems to impress Windows users more than Linux running with Windows as a client in Virtualbox	Oct 06 00:24
Chips_B_Malroy	most windows users have never seen a VM	Oct 06 00:25
Chips_B_Malroy	its a good way to convert them	Oct 06 00:25
Chips_B_Malroy	gn all again	Oct 06 00:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Voters 'anti-Labour, not pro-Tory' - The reverse of what got Tony's landslide in '97 http://tinyurl.com/ydx7ksb		Oct 06 00:31
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cubezzz	I use dosbox occassionally	Oct 06 00:58
cubezzz	the odd game, plus stuff I wrote a long time ago	Oct 06 00:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Updating software on Absolute Linux...very nice, speedy distro BTW. #linux #foss		Oct 06 01:42
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yuhong	http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/30-days-no-microsoft-software/	Oct 06 03:06
yuhong	What do you think?	Oct 06 03:08
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cubezzz	30 day challenge, hahaha	Oct 06 03:43
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cubezzz	Microsoft just isn't that indepensible	Oct 06 03:46
cubezzz	people go on about how it doesn't do this one obscure thing...	Oct 06 03:46
cubezzz	ok, if I go to chapters and look some book up I could be using microsoft server 2003	Oct 06 03:48
cubezzz	as for my own personal computer use at home, there's zero microsoft, not even a microsoft keyboard	Oct 06 03:49
Balrog	cubezzz: I barely use Microsoft stuff at all	Oct 06 03:55
Balrog	if I need something that requires Windows it usually runs in Wine	Oct 06 03:55
Balrog	it's been more than 30 days since I booted a Windows VM :)	Oct 06 03:56
cubezzz	well, 30 days is nothing	Oct 06 03:56
cubezzz	avoid microsoft at home and work and internet, that would be tougher	Oct 06 03:57
cubezzz	so for me I'd say work 95%, home 100%	Oct 06 04:00
cubezzz	which isn't too bad :)	Oct 06 04:00
cubezzz	I was late, I switched feb 2003, I even wrote down the exact date	Oct 06 04:04
cubezzz	tried Minix, and an early Linux, just didn't cut it, this was around 1994	Oct 06 04:05
cubezzz	there was this one affordable unix clone by the Mark Williams company, saw it in magazines	Oct 06 04:16
cubezzz	"Coherent"	Oct 06 04:16
cubezzz	never tried it though	Oct 06 04:16
cubezzz	written mostly by Canadians too	Oct 06 04:17
cubezzz	U of Waterloo alumni	Oct 06 04:17
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omar	Cool! http://bit.ly/nkdR9	Oct 06 05:13
omar	cubezzz, speaking of Minix, is it still alive?	Oct 06 05:14
cubezzz	ummm	Oct 06 05:17
cubezzz	not sure, I bought mine from Prentice Hall	Oct 06 05:17
omar	oh, ok.	Oct 06 05:19
cubezzz	http://www.minix3.org	Oct 06 05:20
omar	lol, tomorrow there's going to be a Microsoft Festival in my college.	Oct 06 05:20
cubezzz	there you go :)	Oct 06 05:20
omar	I'm thinking of attending it. Ya know: "Keep your friends close, and you foes closer."	Oct 06 05:21
omar	cubezzz, Thanks. ^^	Oct 06 05:21
cubezzz	I used to go to the World of Commodore	Oct 06 05:21
cubezzz	and there is still an event like that... only very very tiny	Oct 06 05:21
cubezzz	omar, you use zaurus at all?	Oct 06 05:24
omar	cubezzz, zaurus? I guess I've heard that name before... but I'm not sure..	Oct 06 05:25
cubezzz	Sharp Zaurus, Linux PDA	Oct 06 05:26
omar	cubezzz, oh ok.	Oct 06 05:26
omar	No, unfortunately...	Oct 06 05:26
omar	Anyone knows whether Wingware, the Python/Plone IDE is free software?	Oct 06 05:27
cubezzz	wikipedia says wing IDE is proprietary	Oct 06 05:31
cubezzz	free for educators. hobbyists	Oct 06 05:32
omar	Damn!	Oct 06 05:33
omar	Do you know of any good altenative that's freesoftware?	Oct 06 05:33
omar	I don't mind using Vim, actually I love Vim, but I just wanna see if there's anything similar to Wind IDE but free software.	Oct 06 05:34
cubezzz	uh, yes	Oct 06 05:35
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIDA	Oct 06 05:35
cubezzz	GPL license	Oct 06 05:35
omar	Oh, yeah! PIDA, how could I forget that one. :)	Oct 06 05:36
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twitter2	big bust on the way http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/more-transparency-coming-to-blog-reviews-under-new-ftc-rules.ars	Oct 06 07:02
twitter2	-> Bloggers will come under the watchful eyes of the Federal Trade Commission for the first time, as the agency has finalized new rules governing bloggers and the products they write about. "Consumer-generated media" outlets (e.g., bloggers) will now have to disclose if they are being compensated by a manufacturer, advertiser, or service provider when they review an item.	Oct 06 07:03
twitter2	about time	Oct 06 07:03
schestowitz	http://bartongeorge.net/2009/09/24/mark-shuttleworth-on-the-cloud-ubuntu-on-dell-and-more/	Oct 06 07:41
schestowitz	UK Defense Security Manual Leaked < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/uk_defense_secu.html >	Oct 06 07:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] How a Microsoft veteran learned to love GNU/Linux, and why it matters http://tr.im/APDN		Oct 06 07:58
schestowitz	I'm finding lots of bank corruption today in the news	Oct 06 07:58
schestowitz	Wow. CNN mentioned the "L" word	Oct 06 08:00
schestowitz	Did its corporate funders approve?	Oct 06 08:00
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oiaohm	schestowitz: most likely yes.	Oct 06 08:01
schestowitz	THey had no choice	Oct 06 08:01
schestowitz	http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/05/computers.bootup.speed/	Oct 06 08:02
oiaohm	More funds come from IBM HP and Cisco systems than MS.	Oct 06 08:02
oiaohm	For CNN	Oct 06 08:02
schestowitz	It's not even mentioned as much as it ought to	Oct 06 08:02
schestowitz	http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/10/devicevm-gets-down-to-business-with-instant-on-linux.ars http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138830/Instant_on_maker_Splashtop_goes_corporate_adds_virtual_desktops	Oct 06 08:04
schestowitz	http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/x86-processor-endgame/2009/10/linux-key-to-arm-processor-breakthrough-with-dell-laptop.html http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,26168679-5013037,00.html	Oct 06 08:05
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schestowitz	http://www.thehypervisor.com/2009/09/dell-uwb-linux-laptop/	Oct 06 08:07
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schestowitz	jono: http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4398	Oct 06 08:09
jono	hey schestowitz :)	Oct 06 08:10
schestowitz	Hopefully he sorted out his Ubuntu issue	Oct 06 08:10
jono	schestowitz, wow, thanks for the note	Oct 06 08:10
jono	schestowitz, have you taken a look at the book yet?	Oct 06 08:11
schestowitz	I was going to download, but didn't. Passed the word on instead.	Oct 06 08:11
schestowitz	I don't have interest in the subject in general	Oct 06 08:12
schestowitz	I stick to the issue, less to personal relationships when it comes to this	Oct 06 08:12
schestowitz	That's why on the podcast too I think it's important to just focus on the technical issues alone	Oct 06 08:12
schestowitz	Separation between work (or politics) and play	Oct 06 08:13
schestowitz	I think of the rest as a PR/HR issues	Oct 06 08:13
jono	I wouldn't agree	Oct 06 08:13
schestowitz	I don't like those	Oct 06 08:13
jono	communities are webs of personalities	Oct 06 08:14
schestowitz	http://ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm	Oct 06 08:14
jono	every action we make has an emotional impact	Oct 06 08:14
jono	which is what I love and worry about community	Oct 06 08:14
schestowitz	jono: yes, but corporations are not humans	Oct 06 08:14
jono	I know that my actions have very real emotional impact on people	Oct 06 08:14
schestowitz	To treat them as such is the cause of many troubles	Oct 06 08:14
schestowitz	Bailing them out as though it is a person dying	Oct 06 08:14
jono	schestowitz, corporations are groups of humans, in the same way user groups are	Oct 06 08:14
jono	schestowitz, I would disagree	Oct 06 08:15
jono	have you worked very closely with people in a corp?	Oct 06 08:15
schestowitz	Rather than people (e.g. bankers) who can rightly see the business faIL (that's capitalism) and move on to another company	Oct 06 08:15
schestowitz	jono: corporations are shells for people, yes	Oct 06 08:15
schestowitz	They are not 'the' people, who can get attached to them	Oct 06 08:15
jono	thats not true	Oct 06 08:15
jono	example:	Oct 06 08:16
jono	I did a roadshow with IBM once	Oct 06 08:16
jono	we went up and down the UK talking about Linux and Open Source	Oct 06 08:16
schestowitz	Had I been bothered by every little thing, I would not be able to dennounce an organisation for /anything/	Oct 06 08:16
jono	and I got to know a bunch of IBM folks	Oct 06 08:16
fewa	twitter, nice	Oct 06 08:16
jono	their scope is their immediate team	Oct 06 08:16
schestowitz	Heck :-) Some people would not be able to crititicise politicians who do bad thing cause "they have feelings, to"	Oct 06 08:16
schestowitz	*too	Oct 06 08:16
jono	they care and share an emotional connection with their team	Oct 06 08:16
schestowitz	That's what they do	Oct 06 08:17
jono	people would be part of a 30 person team and they felt a responsbility like a 30 person company	Oct 06 08:17
schestowitz	But less to the point	Oct 06 08:17
schestowitz	What about the extranalities?	Oct 06 08:17
jono	people don't suddently become emotionless if they join a corp	Oct 06 08:17
jono	thats not how emotions work	Oct 06 08:17
schestowitz	You and I could agree on a deal that's good for both of us, but we take no account of people outside this relationship	Oct 06 08:18
schestowitz	So is it necessarily ethical?	Oct 06 08:18
jono	whatr do you mean a deal?	Oct 06 08:18
schestowitz	jono: if the corproations is hurt it's not the same as personal emotional injury	Oct 06 08:18
schestowitz	I never enter people's personal lives	Oct 06 08:18
jono	schestowitz, if the corporation is hurt it hurts real people	Oct 06 08:18
schestowitz	THeir professional work for a company is their role as a servant more or less	Oct 06 08:18
jono	jobs get lost, opportunities are missed, people grow an emotional connection to the company	Oct 06 08:19
schestowitz	So they can blame these on superiors	Oct 06 08:19
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jono	schestowitz, I think that view naive	Oct 06 08:19
schestowitz	jono: it does	Oct 06 08:19
fewa	people have rights, corporations do not	Oct 06 08:19
jono	schestowitz, have you had any experience working with lots of people in corps?	Oct 06 08:19
schestowitz	That's why they should not be emotionally attacked to the tyrannical thing which is a company	Oct 06 08:19
fewa	corporations do not have feelings, people do	Oct 06 08:19
schestowitz	Jobs come and go	Oct 06 08:19
schestowitz	GOod business survices, other perish	Oct 06 08:19
schestowitz	That's capitalism	Oct 06 08:19
schestowitz	fewa: +1	Oct 06 08:20
jono	schestowitz, have you worked with many people in corps?	Oct 06 08:20
fewa	criticising the system is differnt than criticising the the people	Oct 06 08:20
schestowitz	jono: I don't talk about the liability for one to colleagues.	Oct 06 08:20
fewa	jono, have you seen any of the Wendell Potter stuff?	Oct 06 08:21
schestowitz	The outsider and competitors count too	Oct 06 08:21
jono	schestowitz, eh?	Oct 06 08:21
schestowitz	Ballmer "worked with many people in a corp"	Oct 06 08:21
schestowitz	ANd he committed crimes to help those people	Oct 06 08:21
schestowitz	Does that make it acceptable	Oct 06 08:21
jono	if you feel uncomfortable in answering my question, that is fine	Oct 06 08:21
jono	the reason I keep asking is that I was of largely the same view until I met a lot of real people who worked at corps	Oct 06 08:21
schestowitz	Do the people who lost their jobs due to these crimes (affecting people who work in other, ethical company) make it OK?	Oct 06 08:21
schestowitz	jono: take canonical for example	Oct 06 08:22
schestowitz	I don't need to remind you that some other Linux companies don't like it	Oct 06 08:22
fewa	what is the question?	Oct 06 08:22
schestowitz	WHen Ubuntu goes up, it does come at the expense of someone else	Oct 06 08:22
jono	fewa, I was asking if schestowitz has experience of working with people in corps	Oct 06 08:22
schestowitz	Success is not defined only in terms of personal gains	Oct 06 08:22
schestowitz	Else, people like Trump are really our saviours, right?	Oct 06 08:22
fewa	jono, that is a incredibly ambiguous question	Oct 06 08:22
jono	schestowitz, I think your view is naive	Oct 06 08:22
jono	fewa, I am asking if schestowitz knows people who work in corporations, it seems pretty simple to me :-)	Oct 06 08:23
schestowitz	>>> a lot of real people who worked at corps	Oct 06 08:23
schestowitz	"Real people"?	Oct 06 08:23
jono	ok, nevermind	Oct 06 08:23
fewa	there are many types of corpoartions	Oct 06 08:23
schestowitz	As if only the top 1% of the world's population that wears suits is "Real"?	Oct 06 08:23
oiaohm	jono: I have dealt with many corps. Ballmer is either idiot to say the stuff he does or he believes it.	Oct 06 08:23
schestowitz	Oh	Oct 06 08:23
fewa	my city, my county, my state are all incorporated	Oct 06 08:23
schestowitz	Maybe I misread it	Oct 06 08:23
schestowitz	Never mind	Oct 06 08:23
fewa	LLCs	Oct 06 08:23
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oiaohm	I would prefer to take the line Ballmer belleives the stuff.	Oct 06 08:24
fewa	Ballmer certainly believes	Oct 06 08:24
fewa	he never sells stocks	Oct 06 08:24
schestowitz	It's like Ellison. "It's capitalism, I'm competiting"	Oct 06 08:24
jono	anyway, folks, much as I would love to continue the discussion, I have been working since 7.30am and it is 12.30am here and I need to be up for a Ubuntu Technical Board meeting in six hours	Oct 06 08:24
fewa	and he was always a tag-along to Gate's insight into business strategy	Oct 06 08:24
jono	so I think I must bid you all goodnight	Oct 06 08:25
fewa	he was Gate's room mate at Harvard	Oct 06 08:25
fewa	Gates	Oct 06 08:25
schestowitz	Translation: "free market is good for me. I can destory anything and anyone... taking people out of their job. If I make more money, I win.Capitalism is great for me... where capitalism means Friedmanism"	Oct 06 08:25
oiaohm	Open Source and capitalism work very well.	Oct 06 08:25
fewa	Isle of Mann	Oct 06 08:25
fewa	Ubuntu is incorporated in the Isle of Mann	Oct 06 08:25
fewa	*Canonical	Oct 06 08:26
schestowitz	Heh. "Creative capitalism"	Oct 06 08:26
schestowitz	Or "gentle capitalism"	Oct 06 08:26
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schestowitz	Meaning BillG doesn't pay tax	Oct 06 08:26
oiaohm	If course its the cheepest place to register a company fewa	Oct 06 08:26
schestowitz	And neither does Microsof	Oct 06 08:26
fewa	Open source and liberal markets work well together	Oct 06 08:26
schestowitz	The mom with thr 3 jobs will pay tax for him	Oct 06 08:26
fewa	oiaohm, its also a tax haven	Oct 06 08:26
schestowitz	While he's investing in Nigerian oil	Oct 06 08:26
fewa	open source keeps the markets free	Oct 06 08:27
schestowitz	Free in what sense?	Oct 06 08:27
fewa	free and open source software	Oct 06 08:27
schestowitz	Remember the words got warped	Oct 06 08:27
cubezzz	he's got to pay tax on this huge house	Oct 06 08:27
schestowitz	So as to suppress real meaningful discussion	Oct 06 08:27
cubezzz	that's for certain	Oct 06 08:27
schestowitz	Same with libertarians	Oct 06 08:27
cubezzz	his	Oct 06 08:27
schestowitz	"Free to kill"	Oct 06 08:27
fewa	propritary software is a means of control	Oct 06 08:27
schestowitz	"Free as in gratis"	Oct 06 08:27
schestowitz	Free as in freedom	Oct 06 08:27
schestowitz	etc.	Oct 06 08:27
oiaohm	There are quite a few different foundations registed in the Isle of Mann	Oct 06 08:27
fewa	its impossible to change it, to make it serve your uses	Oct 06 08:27
fewa	and therefore it hinders your freedom	Oct 06 08:28
fewa	including the freedom to effect the market	Oct 06 08:28
schestowitz	Or to pay bailout	Oct 06 08:28
fewa	in positive ways	Oct 06 08:28
schestowitz	Freedom means too little	Oct 06 08:28
fewa	In the US all the corps are incorporated in Delaware	Oct 06 08:28
schestowitz	Freedom is an expression of "no pressure"	Oct 06 08:28
fewa	but its all so horrible	Oct 06 08:28
fewa	its a race to the bottom	Oct 06 08:28
schestowitz	No pressure to pay or to do	Oct 06 08:28
schestowitz	It's too broad	Oct 06 08:28
schestowitz	More specificity is needed	Oct 06 08:29
schestowitz	esp. in English	Oct 06 08:29
fewa	anti-competitive corporations forcing states in a race to the bottom	Oct 06 08:29
fewa	which disadvantages the states	Oct 06 08:29
schestowitz	Or to the top	Oct 06 08:29
schestowitz	Price-fixing/collusion	Oct 06 08:29
schestowitz	See Intel/Microsoft for example	Oct 06 08:29
fewa	will the taxes is a race to the bottom	Oct 06 08:29
schestowitz	Found guilty in several continents	Oct 06 08:29
schestowitz	And they carry on	Oct 06 08:29
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fewa	a race to disenfranchise the people the quickest	Oct 06 08:29
schestowitz	Off their pensions, I guess	Oct 06 08:30
fewa	*disenfranchise small businesses	Oct 06 08:30
fewa	thats the biggest looser of corporate welfare tax incentives	Oct 06 08:30
fewa	small businesses	Oct 06 08:30
schestowitz	small business is more like people	Oct 06 08:31
schestowitz	WIth feelings	Oct 06 08:31
fewa	and small businesses are the only productive businesses	Oct 06 08:31
schestowitz	Cause there is just owner+family attached to them	Oct 06 08:31
schestowitz	So it's more of a personal activity	Oct 06 08:31
fewa	only ones that innovate	Oct 06 08:31
schestowitz	i4i?	Oct 06 08:31
schestowitz	I don't know much about them, BTW	Oct 06 08:31
schestowitz	But based on Toronto IIRC, they seem like a place that's as large as a bunch of cubicles	Oct 06 08:32
schestowitz	Making their own products, not buying some	Oct 06 08:32
schestowitz	>"Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products." Arno Edelmann	Oct 06 08:32
schestowitz	, Microsoft	Oct 06 08:32
schestowitz	Microsoft is in the business not of inventing	Oct 06 08:32
fewa	Microsoft was a big part in creating the monster	Oct 06 08:32
fewa	of software patnets	Oct 06 08:32
schestowitz	It snaps some stuff up and then uses aggressive marketing to turn this to cash for executives and investors in Wall Street	Oct 06 08:33
fewa	they asked for them	Oct 06 08:33
schestowitz	Usually sucking out the spirit of the products they bought	Oct 06 08:33
schestowitz	They killed Musiwave last week	Oct 06 08:33
fewa	(even when Bill Gates most famously denounced then not so long ago)	Oct 06 08:33
schestowitz	They gre in patents	Oct 06 08:33
schestowitz	I read they had 25 patents when Win95 was out	Oct 06 08:34
schestowitz	Now they claim to have 10,000!	Oct 06 08:34
fewa	that was in the brief	Oct 06 08:34
schestowitz	Protectionism	Oct 06 08:34
fewa	believe the red hat one	Oct 06 08:34
fewa	they are trying to create a patent thicket	Oct 06 08:34
schestowitz	With FUD, lawsuits, and racketeeering	Oct 06 08:34
schestowitz	Actually, jono's boss called it racketeering	Oct 06 08:34
schestowitz	So I credits this to him	Oct 06 08:34
fewa	its easier for them to hamper innovation than fairily compete	Oct 06 08:34
schestowitz	*Credit	Oct 06 08:34
fewa	kudos	Oct 06 08:34
schestowitz	Now he's more displomatic	Oct 06 08:35
schestowitz	After he said this twice, I doubt it'll happen again	Oct 06 08:35
schestowitz	“That’s extortion and we should call it what it is. To say, as Ballmer did, that there is undisclosed balance sheet liability, that’s just extortion and we should refuse to get drawn into that game.” --Mark Shuttleworth	Oct 06 08:35
schestowitz	"Microsoft is asking people to pay them for patents, but they won’t say which ones. If a guy walks into a shop and says: “It’s an unsafe neighbourhood, why don’t you pay me 20 bucks and I’ll make sure you’re okay,” that’s illegal. It’s racketeering." --Mark Shuttleworth	Oct 06 08:35
fewa	yeah i've seen that second one	Oct 06 08:36
fewa	and its true	Oct 06 08:36
fewa	In the US the Federal Circuit court has to go	Oct 06 08:36
fewa	its a freak court created by patent lobbiests at the begging of the 20th century	Oct 06 08:37
fewa	*decendent	Oct 06 08:37
fewa	patents need to be put back into the district courts	Oct 06 08:37
schestowitz	What about RICO act?	Oct 06 08:37
fewa	If you read Diamond v Diehr and the FSF brief	Oct 06 08:37
fewa	talks about the fed circuit using the exception to swallow the rule	Oct 06 08:38
schestowitz	I saw parts of the FSF's	Oct 06 08:38
fewa	i believe RICO has to be started by the state	Oct 06 08:39
fewa	and the Sherman Anti-trust they were under was plenty	Oct 06 08:39
fewa	its just that the Bush DoJ was unwilling to prosecute	Oct 06 08:39
fewa	and wouldn't even present issues submitted by others so the judge could decide on them	Oct 06 08:40
fewa	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Claims_Act	Oct 06 08:40
schestowitz	It's not being enforced though	Oct 06 08:40
fewa	allows citizens to sue under 'qui tam' against institutions that defraud the government	Oct 06 08:41
fewa	and get a small portion under a sliding scale	Oct 06 08:41
fewa	such an law needs to be enacted for prosecuting corporate welfare	Oct 06 08:41
fewa	in short "abstract are not patentable..and mere post-solution activity does not make an unpatentable process patentable....but it much be considered on a whole"	Oct 06 08:42
fewa	and the "on a whole" was turned into the whole things	Oct 06 08:42
fewa	and the precedent was given up	Oct 06 08:43
fewa	/ignore by the Fed circuit	Oct 06 08:43
fewa	this is good news http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/more-transparency-coming-to-blog-reviews-under-new-ftc-rules.ars	Oct 06 08:44
schestowitz	Yes, seen it	Oct 06 08:48
schestowitz	Microsoft still pays people with schwag	Oct 06 08:48
schestowitz	The FTC mailed me back about it	Oct 06 08:49
schestowitz	But they are just trying to scare people	Oct 06 08:49
schestowitz	They would not enforce	Oct 06 08:49
fewa	announcing public policy is the first step	Oct 06 08:50
schestowitz	Meh.	Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz	Done this befoire	Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz	BTW...	Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz	Here's what I don't understand	Oct 06 08:51
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schestowitz	It's not news	Oct 06 08:51
fewa	but yeah, having the executive prosecute selectively is heinous	Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz	The FTC said the same thing months ago	Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz	I did some posts about it	Oct 06 08:51
fewa	politically	Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz	So it's like old news with some new info	Oct 06 08:51
fewa	this country needs an executive that will enforce the laws	Oct 06 08:52
fewa	and a legislature that will create sensible laws, and overturn unsensible ones	Oct 06 08:52
fewa	The FISA amendments were an atrocious example of lobbiest power, and congress complicity	Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz	The problem is that country=companies	Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz	So you ask them to police selves	Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz	There's the people...	Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz	ANd then there's the Wealth of the Nation	Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz	Ah!	Oct 06 08:53
fewa	Break the law as a citizen, go to jail, break the law as a corporation, go to Washington, get retroactive immunity.	Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz	fewa: BTW, I'll be posting more about corruption in daily links	Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz	I can't help it	Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz	[can't help posting about it]	Oct 06 08:53
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schestowitz	http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Bilski-II-Red-Hat-Appeals-to-Supreme-Court-over-Software-Non-Patentability Bilski II: Red Hat Appeals to Supreme Court over Software Non-Patentability	Oct 06 09:05
schestowitz	I wonder how it fits with RHAT's (RHT's) own s/w patents	Oct 06 09:06
schestowitz	BSD security... http://www.h-online.com/open/FreeBSD-security-update--/news/114389	Oct 06 09:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] More LUGRadio Live 2009 Tickets will be available at 11:00AM today (that's in nearly 2 hours) http://bit.ly/10cnXO		Oct 06 09:10
oiaohm	In a lot of ways Linux kernel is gettting ahead of FreeBSD with memory posioning and the like so making lot of attacks not effective.	Oct 06 09:12
fewa	schestowitz, RHT has a umambiguous pledge not to sue developers or distributers of free software	Oct 06 09:12
fewa	http://www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html	Oct 06 09:14
schestowitz	Yes, but that's not the point	Oct 06 09:14
schestowitz	IBM has that to	Oct 06 09:14
schestowitz	*too	Oct 06 09:14
fewa	really?	Oct 06 09:14
schestowitz	But the patents still can be used in some ways	Oct 06 09:14
oiaohm	IBM Orcale ....	Oct 06 09:15
fewa	eek	Oct 06 09:15
schestowitz	IBM basically has a less legal contract	Oct 06 09:15
oiaohm	Most of the Linux foundation.	Oct 06 09:15
schestowitz	Oracle still hoards some patents	Oct 06 09:15
fewa	i think RHT's is very clear	Oct 06 09:15
schestowitz	It might soon have Sun's	Oct 06 09:15
fewa	MSFT's is obviously meant to not be complete	Oct 06 09:15
oiaohm	Oracle will not apply patents against open source	Oct 06 09:15
schestowitz	You know what I just love?	Oct 06 09:15
oiaohm	Oracle does have a condition liciencing must not exclude them from using it for free and there customers.	Oct 06 09:16
schestowitz	How people join an unethical entity and then find ways to justify it	Oct 06 09:16
oiaohm	Ie if Oracle could use it for profit no patent problem.	Oct 06 09:16
fewa	all i can find of IBM is that it doesn't cover all patents	Oct 06 09:16
schestowitz	And then form their own type of 'press release' to spin it	Oct 06 09:16
schestowitz	It's like in politics	Oct 06 09:16
fewa	so its basically nothing	Oct 06 09:16
oiaohm	IBM has hardware patents and software fewa	Oct 06 09:16
schestowitz	Oracle just issues a press release about Unbreakable yesterday	Oct 06 09:17
fewa	yeah but free software is free software	Oct 06 09:17
fewa	its not hardware	Oct 06 09:17
schestowitz	Imagine a world without free software...	Oct 06 09:17
schestowitz	Microsoft would be able to charge everywhere	Oct 06 09:17
fewa	they can just say software, and sensible define it, in their pledge	Oct 06 09:17
schestowitz	Even Brazil and India	Oct 06 09:17
fewa	*sensibly	Oct 06 09:17
schestowitz	And there would be even more antifeatures	Oct 06 09:17
oiaohm	Hardware patents are uslessly to OSS.	Oct 06 09:17
oiaohm	IBM has the same kind of policy as orcale	Oct 06 09:17
fewa	it would be a dictaitorship	Oct 06 09:17
fewa	Microsoft police state	Oct 06 09:18
oiaohm	You are forgeting the existance of AIX and others schestowitz	Oct 06 09:18
schestowitz	Luckily they are pahsed out	Oct 06 09:18
schestowitz	But Apple is still a problem	Oct 06 09:18
oiaohm	that Linux has basically killed.	Oct 06 09:18
fewa	there would be ubiquitous trecherous computing	Oct 06 09:18
schestowitz	Google is another form of problem	Oct 06 09:18
schestowitz	In Firefox, Gogle tracks my keystrokes in input bars	Oct 06 09:18
fewa	the ASP loophole	Oct 06 09:18
oiaohm	Even without open source MS would not have it alone.	Oct 06 09:18
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fewa	schestowitz, yeah thats the first thing i turn off	Oct 06 09:19
fewa	also, firefox ships accepting 3rd party cookies, and keeping them indefinitely	Oct 06 09:19
fewa	so does adobe flash	Oct 06 09:19
oiaohm	The 3rd party cookie thing dates back a long way.	Oct 06 09:20
fewa	if a user "clears their cookies" in firefox	Oct 06 09:20
fewa	they do not clear the flash cookies	Oct 06 09:21
fewa	and many sites keep identical copies of cookies in flash	Oct 06 09:21
fewa	specifically to override users wishes	Oct 06 09:21
fewa	this sort of thing needs to be cleaned up	Oct 06 09:21
fewa	its very decieving	Oct 06 09:21
fewa	also web pages with "remember me"	Oct 06 09:21
fewa	but the page will remember them even if they dont check it	Oct 06 09:22
fewa	its decietful	Oct 06 09:22
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schestowitz	Sorry Linus, pragmatism is a disease < http://www.pwnage.ca/?cat=3&paged=2 >	Oct 06 09:23
fewa	web browsers and web giants need to be frank to users about how they are tracking them	Oct 06 09:24
schestowitz	Many people don't care	Oct 06 09:26
schestowitz	Until or unless data leaks	Oct 06 09:26
schestowitz	recall AOL incident	Oct 06 09:26
fewa	many users _do_ care	Oct 06 09:26
schestowitz	EFF Files Complaint with FTC Over AOL Data Leak http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/15/1912208	Oct 06 09:26
fewa	the "incognito mode" was incredibly popular	Oct 06 09:26
schestowitz	EFF says that the company failed to "implement reasonable and appropriate measures to protect personal consumer information from public disclosure."' Among other things, the complaint asks AOL to notify all users affected by the data disclosure via certified mail and provide free credit monitoring for a year."	Oct 06 09:26
fewa	aka porn mode	Oct 06 09:27
schestowitz	ISPs still have logs	Oct 06 09:27
schestowitz	And hosts	Oct 06 09:27
schestowitz	PageRank collects a trail of everything you touch	Oct 06 09:27
fewa	ummmm	Oct 06 09:28
schestowitz	AdSense and Analytics tooif JS is enabled	Oct 06 09:28
fewa	thats not what PageRank is	Oct 06 09:28
fewa	but yea googleanalytics.com and google-syndication.com	Oct 06 09:28
schestowitz	It's a "nice to have" for them	Oct 06 09:28
schestowitz	It's not what it's about	Oct 06 09:28
fewa	on somethings like 75% of pages by one study	Oct 06 09:28
schestowitz	PATRIOT is not about police state	Oct 06 09:28
schestowitz	THe "police state" is a nice to have piggyback	Oct 06 09:28
schestowitz	9/11 was not about making a pretext for Iraq invasion	Oct 06 09:29
fewa	what else does it have schestowitz ?	Oct 06 09:29
fewa	"PATRIOT"	Oct 06 09:29
schestowitz	By taking radical plans off the shelvs was an opportunistic "nice to have"	Oct 06 09:29
schestowitz	USPAT RIOT ACT	Oct 06 09:29
nomnex	Does Novell (OpenSUSE) do any good to the Linux community?	Oct 06 09:29
schestowitz	OpenSUSE is OK	Oct 06 09:30
schestowitz	Nurnberg engineers	Oct 06 09:30
nomnex	why?	Oct 06 09:30
schestowitz	They also do kernel work	Oct 06 09:30
nomnex	I see	Oct 06 09:30
schestowitz	But OpenSUSE helps Microsoft and Novell	Oct 06 09:30
schestowitz	Not voluntarily	Oct 06 09:30
oiaohm	OpenSUSE leads are trying to unhook.	Oct 06 09:30
fewa	Greg Kroah-hartman's FUD	Oct 06 09:30
schestowitz	fewa: heh.	Oct 06 09:31
schestowitz	And James	Oct 06 09:31
nomnex	what's the % of users Ubuntu/OpenSUSE among linux users?	Oct 06 09:31
schestowitz	"Intel sez linux is teh bloated, Linus... what do you say about it?"	Oct 06 09:31
oiaohm	nomnex: no one can know for sure.	Oct 06 09:31
oiaohm	Too many Linux people switch between distributions.	Oct 06 09:31
schestowitz	nomnex: no way to tell. Could compare downloads for the ratio alone	Oct 06 09:31
schestowitz	Not deployments	Oct 06 09:32
fewa	I think Ubuntu is very big	Oct 06 09:32
fewa	at least in US	Oct 06 09:32
schestowitz	OpenSUSE is big in Germany	Oct 06 09:32
schestowitz	SOme say Linux market share there is 5-10%	Oct 06 09:32
oiaohm	That is the problem with Linux its always measured by I think.	Oct 06 09:32
schestowitz	[for desktop that is]	Oct 06 09:32
schestowitz	oiaohm: you could compare d/ls though	Oct 06 09:32
fewa	oiaohm, how is that a problem?	Oct 06 09:32
nomnex	Microsoft IS the corporate whore, and Novell seems to follow the lead in the linux world	Oct 06 09:32
fewa	its a benifit, a sign of freedom	Oct 06 09:32
schestowitz	SUSE got like a few hundred thousands within days	Oct 06 09:32
schestowitz	Ubuntu gets millions	Oct 06 09:33
oiaohm	Does not help schestowitz I download from a mirror that does not count.	Oct 06 09:33
fewa	and the windows numbers are all faked too	Oct 06 09:33
oiaohm	Same with a lot of other people.	Oct 06 09:33
fewa	*spun	Oct 06 09:33
schestowitz	oiaohm: I know, that's my point	Oct 06 09:33
oiaohm	The market share of Linux could be like 60 percent and we would not know.	Oct 06 09:33
fewa	share of what?	Oct 06 09:33
schestowitz	fewa: Naaa... Sweaty says they sold like 1,0000000000000000 copies of VIsta	Oct 06 09:33
fewa	servers, yes	Oct 06 09:33
schestowitz	It means people LOVE it	Oct 06 09:33
oiaohm	Over all fewa	Oct 06 09:34
fewa	oiaohm, but what about virtual machines?	Oct 06 09:34
fewa	oiaohm, chroots	Oct 06 09:34
schestowitz	oiaohm: not in the UK	Oct 06 09:34
schestowitz	South Amrica maybe	Oct 06 09:34
fewa	oiaohm, does a high mem comp count more?	Oct 06 09:34
fewa	or a desktop	Oct 06 09:34
fewa	its not a very simply measurment	Oct 06 09:34
schestowitz	Linux could be double-digit in SA desktops	Oct 06 09:34
oiaohm	You are forgeting items like adsl modems schestowitz.	Oct 06 09:34
trmanco	I don't get why they split this up	Oct 06 09:34
oiaohm	Over all	Oct 06 09:35
schestowitz	[SOuth America, not Africa BTW]	Oct 06 09:35
trmanco	it's the same OS just for a different purpose	Oct 06 09:35
schestowitz	oiaohm: they don't download	Oct 06 09:35
oiaohm	Lot of windows people own a computer + a adsl modem.	Oct 06 09:35
schestowitz	They share CDs	Oct 06 09:35
schestowitz	Or use intranets	Oct 06 09:35
schestowitz	For repos too	Oct 06 09:35
fewa	lots of windows users are not counted earlier	Oct 06 09:35
oiaohm	So that is basically 50 percent of the modem is linux.	Oct 06 09:35
oiaohm	Linux is appearing everywhere tvs fridges ....	Oct 06 09:35
schestowitz	Joe Brockmeier http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7560/1.html	Oct 06 09:36
oiaohm	Robots.	Oct 06 09:36
schestowitz	He writes a lot about Firefox these months.	Oct 06 09:36
fewa	this is probably accurate for desktops http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple	Oct 06 09:36
trmanco	I saw a linksys router the other day with a 6x6 cm sticker stating that it contained open source software licensed under the gpl and bsd :D	Oct 06 09:36
schestowitz	oiaohm: Microsoft doesn't count these	Oct 06 09:36
schestowitz	Here's the funny thing	Oct 06 09:36
schestowitz	trmanco: enable bot?	Oct 06 09:36
fewa	http://www.osnews.com/img/21035/ballmermacs.png	Oct 06 09:36
trmanco	yeah	Oct 06 09:36
schestowitz	Microsoft wants Web stats to measure desktop use	Oct 06 09:37
trmanco	I forgot	Oct 06 09:37
fewa	Linux bigger than Apple	Oct 06 09:37
schestowitz	On the server, they want REVENUE to count	Oct 06 09:37
schestowitz	And the rest they treat as unimportant	Oct 06 09:37
fewa	on desktop	Oct 06 09:37
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schestowitz	Cause they don't exist there	Oct 06 09:37
schestowitz	Measly 8% in mobiles (win mob)	Oct 06 09:37
schestowitz	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046137	Oct 06 09:40
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oiaohm	Thinking in the Linux world REVENUE From the OS sale is not highly important.	Oct 06 09:42
schestowitz	Why is this in Linux Today? http://www.smallbusinesscomputing.com/buyersguide/article.php/3842306	Oct 06 09:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Fwd: Computadores da investigação criminal são queijo suíço - Sócrates troca GNU/Linux por microsoft @Digest... http://ff.im/9iRaN		Oct 06 09:43
trmanco	http://fraque.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1028:computadores-da-investigacao-criminal-sao-queijo-suico&catid=37:tribunais&Itemid=64	Oct 06 09:43
schestowitz	Maybe cause it's Jupitermedia	Oct 06 09:43
schestowitz	They do a lot of back-rubbing	Oct 06 09:43
oiaohm	Support contract and provided back more important.	Oct 06 09:43
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schestowitz	One site of jupitermedia boosting another, even if it's off-topic	Oct 06 09:43
oiaohm	That one from dell is kinda news schestowitz	Oct 06 09:43
oiaohm	Its the first time a dell labeled printer has released with Linux drivers.	Oct 06 09:44
schestowitz	trmanco: I understand "investigação criminal"	Oct 06 09:44
trmanco	http://tinyurl.com/ye6jpon	Oct 06 09:44
trmanco	translation there	Oct 06 09:44
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oiaohm	Normally a month or 2 latter from the release the Linux driver would turn up schestowitz yes without the back ground history it looks like nothing.	Oct 06 09:44
schestowitz	http://bsdly.blogspot.com/2009/10/third-time-uncharmed.html	Oct 06 09:45
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schestowitz	oiaohm: sell sells Linux to companies now, so....	Oct 06 09:46
schestowitz	http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/article.php/3842216	Oct 06 09:47
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schestowitz	Doesn't mention Linux on ARM	Oct 06 09:47
trmanco	great	Oct 06 09:49
trmanco	I'm out of bandwidth	Oct 06 09:49
trmanco	updated are eating it all :\|	Oct 06 09:50
trmanco	updates*	Oct 06 09:50
oiaohm	Nexuiz a few days ago took mine out.	Oct 06 09:50
oiaohm	My Linux updates don't count to quota.	Oct 06 09:50
trmanco	I don't mean quota	Oct 06 09:50
trmanco	I really mean the bandwidth	Oct 06 09:51
trmanco	that's why the bot might be slow	Oct 06 09:51
schestowitz	This is so odd	Oct 06 09:53
schestowitz	I take for granted no limit like we all take for granted freedom of speech... until it's gone	Oct 06 09:53
trmanco	what do you mean no limit?	Oct 06 09:53
schestowitz	No stated limit	Oct 06 09:54
trmanco	but of quota or bandwidth?	Oct 06 09:54
schestowitz	If there's a high lump like 100GB overnight, then someone might look into it	Oct 06 09:54
schestowitz	Both	Oct 06 09:54
trmanco	quota I have no limits	Oct 06 09:54
schestowitz	Bandidth is very high	Oct 06 09:54
trmanco	bandwidth I do	Oct 06 09:54
schestowitz	At 100Mbit/sec it's not as thought there's a real limit	Oct 06 09:54
schestowitz	I pass data over the network at 10MB/sec	Oct 06 09:54
trmanco	LOL	Oct 06 09:54
schestowitz	Almost as fast as USB2	Oct 06 09:55
trmanco	I have a 4Mbit/s connections	Oct 06 09:55
schestowitz	The thing is, I far seeding distro torrents	Oct 06 09:55
trmanco	if I ask for more, the adsl will get unstable	Oct 06 09:55
schestowitz	It's almost frowned upon.. the notion of sharing	Oct 06 09:56
schestowitz	And now they pass Draconian laws here, as in France	Oct 06 09:56
schestowitz	So you could be taken offline for sharing a distro	Oct 06 09:56
trmanco	heh	Oct 06 09:56
schestowitz	False positives	Oct 06 09:56
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schestowitz	http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014088o-2000332346b,00.htm?new_comment	Oct 06 09:59
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fewa	oiaohm, Nexuiz? downloading	Oct 06 10:02
fewa	o yeah u on campus schestowitz ?	Oct 06 10:03
schestowitz	Ys, thre's JANET here	Oct 06 10:03
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fewa	makes me think of Chomsky talking about the ARPANET	Oct 06 10:04
schestowitz	Outside here I can hardly stream hd	Oct 06 10:04
fewa	there is fiber really near me	Oct 06 10:04
fewa	but they dont sell to consumers	Oct 06 10:04
schestowitz	fewa: chomsky also explained why campus is essential	Oct 06 10:05
schestowitz	To one's free actions	Oct 06 10:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] pay your shareware fees! or we will deploy ... the PUPPIES! http://imgur.com/fpuWa.jpg HT @picturecool		Oct 06 10:06
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schestowitz	fewa: turns out rms was invited to campus by a professor	Oct 06 10:06
schestowitz	He was going to make the mistake of making gnu outside mit	Oct 06 10:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @davidgerard puppies don't no nothin' bout 7zip http://imgur.com/fpuWa.jpg http://www.7-zip.org/		Oct 06 10:10
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schestowitz	[10:06] <schestowitz> fewa: turns out rms was invited to campus by a professor	Oct 06 10:13
schestowitz	[10:06] <schestowitz> He was going to make the mistake of making gnu outside mit	Oct 06 10:13
schestowitz	[10:11] <fewa> certainly would have been a mistake	Oct 06 10:13
schestowitz	[10:13] <fewa> netsplit	Oct 06 10:13
schestowitz_log	-BNc/#boycottnovell- [scientes] RT @davidgerard puppies don't no nothin' bout 7zip http://imgur.com/fpuWa.jpg http://www.7-zip.org/	Oct 06 10:14
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schestowitz	http://youtube.com/?v=iUFtKUY_yGY	Oct 06 10:16
schestowitz	They keep throwing em at YouTube	Oct 06 10:16
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schestowitz	And when I point this out they don't like it	Oct 06 10:16
schestowitz	"Get out of OUR way! We're advertising!!"	Oct 06 10:16
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r0olsqWJnk	Oct 06 10:17
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schestowitz	Found in the "Novell" feed :-S	Oct 06 10:18
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schestowitz	MOG: [Fwd: Trustee Backs SCO's Litigation Against Novell]	Oct 06 10:22
schestowitz	"Trustee Backs SCO's Litigation Against Novell - SYS-CON Media (press release)"	Oct 06 10:22
schestowitz	Press release???	Oct 06 10:22
schestowitz	Sounds like MOG does the shilling, still	Oct 06 10:22
trmanco	http://www.thelins.se/johan/2009/10/kde-4.html	Oct 06 10:31
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schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-04-003-35-NW-SS-RL-0004	Oct 06 10:39
schestowitz	"It works fine in LinuxMint. What's the matter with OpenSuSE?!? "	Oct 06 10:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm, hoping that me filing this bug doesn't make me look like too much of a prude http://bit.ly/350cIg		Oct 06 10:45
phIRCe	Title: Bug #444400 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu): “"Weird shit!" in error message inappropriate” .::. Size~: 38.86 KB	Oct 06 10:45
schestowitz	grub2 has lots of work left to do... First impressions of GRUB2 < http://my.stargazer.at/2009/10/05/first-impressions-of-grub2/ >	Oct 06 10:45
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schestowitz	I know the maintainer	Oct 06 10:45
schestowitz	"* Compiz is still around but you might like to check out Desktop Effects under System / System Settings / Desktop first. (I particularly like the Fall Apart option for closed windows ...)"	Oct 06 10:46
schestowitz	http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/2009/10/hidden_linux_learning_to_love.html	Oct 06 10:46
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schestowitz	I enabled it yesterday. It's nice	Oct 06 10:46
schestowitz	Exploding windows	Oct 06 10:46
Diablo-D3	people use brtfs on root?	Oct 06 10:47
Diablo-D3	FAIL	Oct 06 10:47
Diablo-D3	people use gentoo?	Oct 06 10:48
Diablo-D3	FAIL	Oct 06 10:48
oiaohm	As root should not be a issue as long as boot is sane for a proto machine Diablo-D3	Oct 06 10:48
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: yes, but lots of shit chokes on it	Oct 06 10:49
schestowitz	ECT is feeding an attack site against us: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/68286.html?wlc=1254822096	Oct 06 10:49
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oiaohm	Lot of stuff choking on it also is more touchy to secuirty settings Diablo-D3	Oct 06 10:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] AUGH MY EYES RT@rosefox Xtina just pointed me at http://www.regretsy.com/ . STARE STARE STARE		Oct 06 10:51
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oiaohm	so proto machine running btrfs does provide something useful.	Oct 06 10:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: Shut up 'n play yer Wangcaster http://bit.ly/ESzuc		Oct 06 10:56
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oiaohm	http://www.dreamchess.org/ No dreamchess?	Oct 06 11:05
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schestowitz	http://blog.someone.exofire.net/2009/10/creating-a-hard-drive-backup/	Oct 06 11:07
schestowitz	oiaohm: nope	Oct 06 11:07
schestowitz	There's no showoff there of the stunning 3d boards	Oct 06 11:07
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schestowitz	oiaohm: http://freshmeat.net/projects/othellomaster	Oct 06 11:08
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schestowitz	^my program	Oct 06 11:08
oiaohm	Nice schestowitz	Oct 06 11:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @picturecool No, I'm sorry you're available in my country [pic] #photo http://bit.ly/BpZoB		Oct 06 11:20
oiaohm	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd8_ubuntu910&num=7 Ok ouch	Oct 06 11:28
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oiaohm	sqlite is still hitting performance walls	Oct 06 11:28
oiaohm	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/02/actuate_open_source_survey/ Interesting numbers	Oct 06 11:31
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schestowitz	China puts Linux on many machines	Oct 06 11:34
schestowitz	IIRC, like 25%	Oct 06 11:34
schestowitz	Don't count on the figure	Oct 06 11:34
schestowitz	It's from memory	Oct 06 11:34
schestowitz	Many get replaced by illegal WIndows	Oct 06 11:34
schestowitz	Some don't	Oct 06 11:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Drat! Tried to get as #444444 http://bit.ly/12jRxp but got #444445 http://bit.ly/JHQVm will try again when 555555 comes round ;)		Oct 06 11:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Drat!Tried to get bug 444444 http://bit.ly/12jRxp but got 444445 http://bit.ly/JHQVm Will try again when 555555 comes round ;)		Oct 06 11:37
phIRCe	Title: Bug #444444 in linux (Ubuntu): “Cannot drop to other run levels in Karmic NBR live disk” .::. Size~: 44.38 KB	Oct 06 11:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/WeESe shown to me by @alanbelltolc yesterday. Best Karmic wallpaper I've seen		Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	Hhe.	Oct 06 11:41
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schestowitz	Software Popularity Stats, 6th October 2009.	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	Top 10 Windows Downloads (download.com).	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	--------------------------------------------------------------------	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| No \| Downloads \| Name \| Type \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\|--------------------------------------------------------------------\|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 1 \| 1,439,289 \| AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition \| Anti-Malware \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 2 \| 961,282 \| Avira AntiVir Personal \| Anti-Malware \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 3 \| 635,270 \| Avast Home Edition \| Anti-Malware \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 4 \| 564,455 \| Malwarebytes Anti-Malware \| Anti-Malware \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 5 \| 483,105 \| LimeWire \| Piracy \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 6 \| 412,024 \| YouTube Downloader \| Piracy \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 7 \| 367,946 \| WinRAR (32-bit) \| Piracy * \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 8 \| 317,798 \| Ad-Aware Anniversary Edition \| Anti-Malware \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 9 \| 255,168 \| Advanced SystemCare Free \| B0rk Fixer \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	\| 10 \| 247,698 \| IObit Security 360 \| Anti-Malware \|	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	--------------------------------------------------------------------	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	[*] Although actually an archiver, rather than a piracy tool, WinRAR is	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	used almost exclusively to (un)archive pirate software distributed	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	(mainly) on binary Usenet groups, and as such is classified here under	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	the heading of "Piracy".	Oct 06 11:41
schestowitz	Top 10 Linux Projects by Popularity (freshmeat.net)	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	(based on number of subscriptions, URL hits and record hits)	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	-----------------------------------------------	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| No \| Score \| Name \| Type \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\|-----------------------------------------------\|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 1 \| 100 \| gcc \| Dev \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 2 \| 99.31 \| Apache \| Web \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 3 \| 89.67 \| cdrtools \| Utility \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 4 \| 80.54 \| Linux (kernel) \| OS \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 5 \| 59.89 \| PostgreSQL \| Database \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 6 \| 51.34 \| VLC \| Multimedia \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 7 \| 42.16 \| ClamAV \| Anti-Malware * \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 8 \| 41.91 \| MPlayer \| Multimedia \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 9 \| 36.88 \| MySQL \| Database \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| 10 \| 36.40 \| PHP \| Dev \|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	-----------------------------------------------	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	[*] This anti-malware tool runs under GNU/Linux, but is only needed to	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	scan for malware on Windows systems, or malware transmitted by Windows	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	systems (e.g. botnets) through GNU/Linux mail servers.	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	Percentile Distribution by application type.	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	---------------------------------	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| OS \| Windows \| Linux \|	Oct 06 11:42
Diablo-D3	clamav is awesome, btw	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\|---------------------------------\|	Oct 06 11:42
schestowitz	\| Type \| % \| % \|	Oct 06 11:43
schestowitz	\|---------------------------------\|	Oct 06 11:43
schestowitz	\| Anti-Malware \| 73.29 \| 6.61 \|	Oct 06 11:43
schestowitz	\| Piracy \| 22.22 \| 0 \|	Oct 06 11:43
schestowitz	\| Other \| 4.49 \| 93.39 \|	Oct 06 11:43
schestowitz	---------------------------------	Oct 06 11:43
schestowitz	Final score: Linux 93.39, Windows 4.49.	Oct 06 11:43
schestowitz	(Legitimate and productive use).	Oct 06 11:43
schestowitz	from [H]omer	Oct 06 11:43
oiaohm	clamav + real time scanning you really don't need the others most of the time.	Oct 06 11:43
Diablo-D3	I use clamwin on windows	Oct 06 11:43
Diablo-D3	its clamav + a windows ui	Oct 06 11:43
oiaohm	Real-time support of clamav sux on windows.	Oct 06 11:43
Diablo-D3	its basically the best av scanner out there	Oct 06 11:43
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: yes and no	Oct 06 11:43
Diablo-D3	if you dont get viruses, there isnt a big issue to begin with	Oct 06 11:43
Diablo-D3	I dont	Oct 06 11:44
Diablo-D3	windows doesnt get viruses if you're not a fucking moron	Oct 06 11:44
oiaohm	I have not found realtime scanning for email an the like.	Oct 06 11:44
fewa	if you get a windows virus anti-viruses are powerless against them	Oct 06 11:44
oiaohm	On windows for clamav.	Oct 06 11:44
fewa	at least the professional ones	Oct 06 11:44
Diablo-D3	fewa: yes	Oct 06 11:44
fewa	cause there is no security on windows	Oct 06 11:44
Diablo-D3	all an antivirus is for is to tell you to reinstall windows	Oct 06 11:44
Diablo-D3	it cant "remove" it	Oct 06 11:44
fewa	no multi-user security	Oct 06 11:44
oiaohm	Some of the bot viruses are getting hard to get.	Oct 06 11:44
Diablo-D3	it can horribly fuck up your system, but you cant remove it	Oct 06 11:44
oiaohm	Since they have like a windows update.	Oct 06 11:45
oiaohm	Ie update just as fast as you can get attack tools	Oct 06 11:45
fewa	really easy for viruses to run in other legitimate threads, even without its own thread	Oct 06 11:45
fewa	or even run entirely in kernel mode	Oct 06 11:45
oiaohm	That is a big bug of windows you cannot see cleanly into kernel mode to find out what is going on down there.	Oct 06 11:45
fewa	the big bug of windows is windows itsself	Oct 06 11:46
oiaohm	That is a design error fewa	Oct 06 11:46
oiaohm	Most of the others are bad coding.	Oct 06 11:46
oiaohm	Like in XP MS decided not to check Direct X passed data because it would save a little time.	Oct 06 11:48
fewa	the GNU/Linux package model is really the only model that will work	Oct 06 11:48
fewa	no insecure downloads	Oct 06 11:48
trmanco	lol	Oct 06 11:48
trmanco	I found a new method for spamming	Oct 06 11:49
fewa	infinity+1	Oct 06 11:49
trmanco	copy a comment as paste it again :\|	Oct 06 11:49
oiaohm	ostatic is worse.	Oct 06 11:49
trmanco	I just caught a spam comment that copied what I've said and it passed my spam filters :\|	Oct 06 11:49
oiaohm	reload page.	Oct 06 11:49
oiaohm	And it duplictes comment no double check that is a unique send.	Oct 06 11:50
fewa	irc has that, clonebots	Oct 06 11:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] SAP lobbying for software patents at the US Supreme Court: http://i5.be/MR		Oct 06 11:54
oiaohm	I can under stand why SAP is upto backing patents. Then need something to slow Orcale down.	Oct 06 11:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Advertising Proving Effective http://bit.ly/nbNWi		Oct 06 11:57
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Diablo-D3	nothing can slow orcl down	Oct 06 11:57
trmanco	http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/song-chart-memes-operating-systems.jpg	Oct 06 11:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Instant-on Advancements Bring #GNU #Linux to More and More PCs (Many Millions) http://bit.ly/aKuv6 http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/05/ ...		Oct 06 11:58
trmanco	...	Oct 06 11:58
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Diablo-D3	trmanco: wow	Oct 06 11:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LSE 's Italian Subsidiary to Move to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/W4INV		Oct 06 11:58
fewa	Windows user friendly, my ass	Oct 06 11:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next #Linux (2.6.32) Leaps Faster Towards Release http://bit.ly/5o5sn http://bit.ly/fM1F8		Oct 06 12:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] All the briefs on Bilski are here: http://awakenip.com/Bilski		Oct 06 12:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: (via arielstroud) http://tumblr.com/xkj3eiye9		Oct 06 12:03
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schestowitz	trmanco: Linux is not an operating system	Oct 06 12:03
schestowitz	It's a platform	Oct 06 12:03
schestowitz	KDE4 is a very user-friendly env	Oct 06 12:03
schestowitz	This ven chart encourages myths	Oct 06 12:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: poignant: http://tumblr.com/xkj3eiyqr		Oct 06 12:03
phIRCe	Title: Error .::. Size~: 1.77 KB	Oct 06 12:04
schestowitz	It should say "bilski vs. the people"	Oct 06 12:04
schestowitz	Not "vs kappos"	Oct 06 12:04
trmanco	LOL	Oct 06 12:04
schestowitz	Kappos too is vs the people	Oct 06 12:04
trmanco	tumblr is acting weird	Oct 06 12:04
schestowitz	He's in the intellectual monopoly office	Oct 06 12:04
oiaohm	No one has a clear define of userfriendly.	Oct 06 12:04
oiaohm	I remember the last time someone tried to answer it.	Oct 06 12:05
schestowitz	user friendly = I'm used to it	Oct 06 12:05
schestowitz	Caveman-friendly	Oct 06 12:05
schestowitz	Jobs insists on ONE button	Oct 06 12:05
schestowitz	And gives no option for changing how top menus change	Oct 06 12:05
schestowitz	That's NOT user friendly	Oct 06 12:05
schestowitz	It's TELLING the users what to like	Oct 06 12:06
schestowitz	To me, user friendly means being friendly to user's needs	Oct 06 12:06
schestowitz	Not imposing on them some stuff	Oct 06 12:06
schestowitz	Windows is more open to OS X	Oct 06 12:06
fewa	lol	Oct 06 12:09
fewa	kappos is actually the USPTO	Oct 06 12:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: landscapelifescape: http://tumblr.com/xkj3ej06i		Oct 06 12:09
fewa	which is not the problem in the patent system	Oct 06 12:10
phIRCe	Title: Error .::. Size~: 1.77 KB	Oct 06 12:10
fewa	Bilski wishes to patent a business method	Oct 06 12:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Coverage from #LinuxCon Includes Warning About Microsoft's Attacks http://lwn.net/Articles/353823/		Oct 06 12:11
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fewa	whatever user friendly windows is not	Oct 06 12:11
fewa	seriously, when have you considered that a windows computer was your friend	Oct 06 12:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: (via proli) http://tumblr.com/xkj3ej0we		Oct 06 12:12
phIRCe	Title: Error .::. Size~: 1.77 KB	Oct 06 12:12
fewa	rather than your enemy	Oct 06 12:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Explicitly Announces #Linux Support for New #Printers mallbusinesscomputing.com/buyersguide/article.php/3842306		Oct 06 12:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Becomes a Powerful #Video Viewer http://bit.ly/P2dJq http://bit.ly/19stSx		Oct 06 12:14
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omar	Hi all.	Oct 06 12:15
schestowitz	fewa: kappos is Big Blue	Oct 06 12:15
schestowitz	Corporovermentpeople	Oct 06 12:15
schestowitz	A lot of people don't know how their authorities work	Oct 06 12:16
schestowitz	Schools won't teach them, either. It might lad to dancing{Tm}	Oct 06 12:16
schestowitz	Hi, omar	Oct 06 12:17
omar	schestowitz, hey there Roy. Whats up?	Oct 06 12:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google/Chrome Has Wave, New Themes, Linux Versions http://bit.ly/f5XYQ http://bit.ly/rKm7H http://bit.ly/1amO0K http://bit.ly/pKFBe htt ...		Oct 06 12:19
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schestowitz	Nothing much. I'll do some posts soon.	Oct 06 12:20
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schestowitz	Microsoft is attacking RMS	Oct 06 12:20
schestowitz	Via its shills	Oct 06 12:20
MinceR	so what else is new? :>	Oct 06 12:20
schestowitz	Evidence	Oct 06 12:22
oiaohm	So ms slipped up with there orders schestowitz?	Oct 06 12:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Receives More Great Reviews http://bit.ly/11Ujqo http://bit.ly/1ceudV http://bit.ly/2tR6dX		Oct 06 12:24
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omar	Man! I got really excited after reading Verofacto's enemies list.	Oct 06 12:24
schestowitz	They face resistance, oiaohm	Oct 06 12:24
omar	Finally, at least I'm being recognized as a semi-famous internet figure. :D	Oct 06 12:25
schestowitz	You do bad [to Microsoft et al]	Oct 06 12:25
schestowitz	Miguel is there too	Oct 06 12:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slackware #GNU #Linux 13.0 in Review http://bit.ly/NKYLT		Oct 06 12:26
schestowitz	A friend of these people	Oct 06 12:27
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MinceR	what does m$ have evidence of?	Oct 06 12:27
fewa	ahhh	Oct 06 12:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Latest #PuppyLinux (4.3) http://www.mygnulinux.com/?p=385		Oct 06 12:30
phIRCe	Title: My GNU/Linux » Puppy Linux 4.3 (step by step installation with screenshots) .::. Size~: 25.8 KB	Oct 06 12:30
oiaohm	Gnome might be in trouble.	Oct 06 12:30
oiaohm	KDE trip gave gnome a major market gain.	Oct 06 12:30
fewa	gnome 3 is coming up	Oct 06 12:31
fewa	schestowitz, who was Doll?	Oct 06 12:32
fewa	Bilski v Doll	Oct 06 12:32
fewa	I expected it to stay as In Re Bilski	Oct 06 12:32
fewa	as they are still trying to get their patent reexamined by the courts	Oct 06 12:32
fewa	they have never won	Oct 06 12:33
fewa	and it is highly unlikely that they will	Oct 06 12:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Family Has Two New Releases: #Sabayon #Linux 5.0 and Gentoo LiveDVD http://bit.ly/zCrcq http://bit.ly/2meUL		Oct 06 12:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Has Big Ambitions on the #Server Side http://bit.ly/11n8Cp http://bit.ly/T9M3b		Oct 06 12:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Receives More Fantastic Reviews (Even in Beta) http://www.daniweb.com/news/story227894.html http://bit.ly/g1Yv8		Oct 06 12:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People must remember that for the first time ever, Microsoft warned its investors about desktop Linux in July.		Oct 06 12:37
trmanco	http://www.h-online.com/open/Stallman-vs-the-CodePlex-Foundation-and-Miguel-de-Icaza--/news/114396	Oct 06 12:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu GNU/Linux 9.10 Starts Looking a Lot Better http://bit.ly/c9NoI http://bit.ly/2dkdLs		Oct 06 12:39
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trmanco	http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/Windows-7-to-come-in-Steve-Ballmer-edition/0,339028227,339298890,00.htm?feed=rss	Oct 06 12:40
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schestowitz	trmanco: ah!	Oct 06 12:40
schestowitz	He beat me to it	Oct 06 12:40
fewa	lol	Oct 06 12:40
schestowitz	I was just going to blog something similar	Oct 06 12:40
fewa	Chair!	Oct 06 12:40
trmanco	heh	Oct 06 12:40
fewa	"flying chair edition"	Oct 06 12:41
trmanco	http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/Google-urges-web-adoption-of-vector-graphics/0,339028227,339298906,00.htm?feed=rss	Oct 06 12:41
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schestowitz	Microsoft: "NO!!!!!1'	Oct 06 12:41
schestowitz	"Use Silver Lie"	Oct 06 12:41
fewa	Microsoft: no standards allowed	Oct 06 12:41
trmanco	http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138979/After_attacks_Adobe_patches_now_come_faster?source=rss_news	Oct 06 12:42
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trmanco	http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138978/Nasty_banking_Trojan_makes_mules_of_victims?source=rss_news	Oct 06 12:43
phIRCe	Title: Nasty banking Trojan makes mules of victims .::. Size~: 126.62 KB	Oct 06 12:43
fewa	SVG web pages are cool	Oct 06 12:43
schestowitz	trmanco: old news about the Trojan?	Oct 06 12:44
schestowitz	The Microsoft puppet Finjan?	Oct 06 12:44
trmanco	http://www.techworld.com.au/article/320998/pentagon_our_cloud_better_than_google?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1	Oct 06 12:44
schestowitz	ANd lobbyist for swpats	Oct 06 12:44
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trmanco	old news... heh	Oct 06 12:45
trmanco	any type of malware these days for windows is old news :-P	Oct 06 12:45
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fewa	oiaohm, you keep disconnecting	Oct 06 12:45
oiaohm	I don't know why fewa	Oct 06 12:47
trmanco	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/06/pirate_bay_down_again/	Oct 06 12:47
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oiaohm	I am on limited connection speed for the next few days.	Oct 06 12:47
trmanco	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/05/fraudulent_paypay_certificate_published/	Oct 06 12:48
phIRCe	Title: IE, Chrome, Safari duped by bogus PayPal SSL cert • The Register .::. Size~: 26.53 KB	Oct 06 12:48
trmanco	so much for the FUD about Firefox	Oct 06 12:48
trmanco	"If you use the Internet Explorer, Google Chrome or Apple Safari browsers during PayPal transactions, now would be a good time to switch over to the decidedly more secure Firefox alternative."	Oct 06 12:48
MinceR	pwnt	Oct 06 12:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Get Ready for #GNU #Linux (Ubuntu 9.10) Launch Parties http://bit.ly/S3hVM http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1922 http://bit.ly/2L1UFe		Oct 06 12:49
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oiaohm	The party is a KDE tradition.	Oct 06 12:49
fewa	Firefox does very well at security	Oct 06 12:50
fewa	big thing i disagree with however, is the blocking of self-signed certificates	Oct 06 12:50
fewa	i think chrome handles them better	Oct 06 12:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] IE, Chrome, Safari duped by bogus PayPal SSL cert: http://is.gd/40eLi \| Firefox is NOT vulnerable...		Oct 06 12:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Version of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux - Overview http://bit.ly/kmlkG		Oct 06 12:51
phIRCe	Title: IE, Chrome, Safari duped by bogus PayPal SSL cert • The Register .::. Size~: 26.53 KB	Oct 06 12:51
phIRCe	Title: 7 Things To Look Out For In Kubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala .::. Size~: 62.29 KB	Oct 06 12:51
fewa	The identity bar was a really good firefox 3 addition	Oct 06 12:51
fewa	"That's because a hacker on Monday published a counterfeit secure sockets layer certificate that exploits a gaping hole in a Microsoft library used by all three of those browsers. Although the certificate is fraudulent, it appears to all three to be a completely legitimate credential vouching for the online payment service. The bug was disclosed more than nine weeks ago, but Microsoft has yet to fix it."	Oct 06 12:52
fewa	wow	Oct 06 12:52
fewa	security illusions	Oct 06 12:52
fewa	makes me think of the NSA key in Windows	Oct 06 12:53
fewa	and who yesterday said windows could be made secure?	Oct 06 12:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Netgear Turns to #Linux http://bit.ly/lpjzn http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/10/05/netgear.bows.linux.based.rangemax.router/ htt ...		Oct 06 12:54
phIRCe	Title: Netgear intros 802.11n Wi-Fi router with Linux \| Electronista .::. Size~: 66.28 KB	Oct 06 12:55
fewa	http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-42.html	Oct 06 12:58
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trmanco	more here http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rogue-PayPal-SSL-Certificate-Available-in-the-Wild-123486.shtml	Oct 06 12:58
phIRCe	Title: Rogue PayPal SSL Certificate Available in the Wild - IE, Safari and Chrome users beware - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.41 KB	Oct 06 12:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Spreads #Qt Further (Helping KDE Reach) http://bit.ly/3CbcJQ		Oct 06 12:59
phIRCe	Title: Nokia pushes cross-platform Qt to center stageRethink Wireless: Industry Coverage, News and Analysis .::. Size~: 21.13 KB	Oct 06 12:59
trmanco	http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Kill-Project-Pink-123482.shtml	Oct 06 12:59
phIRCe	Title: Microsoft to Kill Project Pink - No Turtle or Pure phones to ever surface - Softpedia .::. Size~: 50.05 KB	Oct 06 12:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #Phones Grow Fast http://bit.ly/KEJT1		Oct 06 12:59
phIRCe	Title: Android, Palm Pre growing fast in mobile data usage - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 66.81 KB	Oct 06 13:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Pre Reviews Published, Lockdown of WebOS a Drawback http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6863/1/ http://bit.ly/ikdlA		Oct 06 13:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Apache HTTP Server 2.2.14 released : http://is.gd/40fIB		Oct 06 13:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MaximumPC Says #GNU #Linux is Ideal Choice for #Subnotebooks http://bit.ly/dJ2i8		Oct 06 13:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Goes Ahead with #Sugar http://bit.ly/13H0pH		Oct 06 13:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] c		Oct 06 13:09
trmanco	http://mono-nono.com/2009/10/06/on-apologetics/	Oct 06 13:10
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trmanco	interesting read	Oct 06 13:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Version of Apache is Released http://bit.ly/7rxz9		Oct 06 13:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @computerworlduk Google asks Microsoft to support vector graphics on browser - Web Site Management - ComputerworldUK http://ow.ly/sHJp		Oct 06 13:12
phIRCe	Title: Google asks Microsoft to support vector graphics on browser - Web Site Management - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 4.17 KB	Oct 06 13:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft had only 77 patents in 1995, was already in a monopoly position: http://i5.be/MS		Oct 06 13:13
phIRCe	Title: Slashdot Submission \| FSF brief: patents block compatibility, harm users .::. Size~: 47.92 KB	Oct 06 13:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun's Simon Phipps Explains "Open" Labels http://bit.ly/3sC6af People should talk about Freedom, not open		Oct 06 13:17
phIRCe	Title: Truth In Labelling [on Simon Phipps, SunMink] .::. Size~: 43.26 KB	Oct 06 13:17
oiaohm	fewa me said windows could be made kinda secure but remember I said it would be highly unuseable.	Oct 06 13:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Rises in the #Philippines http://bit.ly/88cIj		Oct 06 13:18
phIRCe	Title: Open source adoption still strong in RP - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos .::. Size~: 83.44 KB	Oct 06 13:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Tells #Microsoft to Embrace Web Standards http://bit.ly/13yoCo http://bit.ly/3YOUm		Oct 06 13:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "Perhaps the most glaring obstacles faced by Windows Mobile reside in its own shortcomings." http://tinyurl.com/y9tg73f		Oct 06 13:27
phIRCe	Title: Google asks Microsoft to support vector graphics on browser - Web Site Management - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 83.32 KB	Oct 06 13:27
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trmanco	http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Cloud-Critical-to-Slashing-Costs-for-the-University-System-of-Ohio-123503.shtml	Oct 06 13:28
phIRCe	Title: Microsoft Cloud Critical to Slashing Costs for the University System of Ohio - Via the Education Alliance Agreement - Softpedia .::. Size~: 50.7 KB	Oct 06 13:28
trmanco	I wonder how long until they will regret this	Oct 06 13:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DavidLetterman Uses #IntellectualMonopolies for #Censorship http://bit.ly/3xPMoR http://techdirt.com/articles/20091004/2035136412.shtml		Oct 06 13:35
phIRCe	Title: Video: David Letterman Explains Blackmail Attempt \| Peter Kafka \| MediaMemo \| AllThingsD .::. Size~: 50.09 KB	Oct 06 13:35
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft- taxed #LiMo and #Android Phones Come from #Sellout #Samsung http://bit.ly/2HO23 http://bit.ly/Z7T6q		Oct 06 13:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Uses #rPath Ideas to Market Its #Microsoft -taxed Distribution http://bit.ly/BU3Uo http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=1370		Oct 06 13:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] False #Vista7 Advertising Exposed and Explained http://bit.ly/zurGj http://bit.ly/KYFSh		Oct 06 13:40
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schestowitz	trmanco: SoftPedia does placements for them occcasionally	Oct 06 13:41
schestowitz	seems like an ad	Oct 06 13:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Laptop Giveaways Are Officially a Crime http://bit.ly/pkNSr		Oct 06 13:44
phIRCe	Title: BLOGGERS BEWARE, CONFESS OR BE FINED. « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 33.01 KB	Oct 06 13:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Abuses #IntellectualMonopolies http://techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0028486413.shtml http://bit.ly/AKz3o		Oct 06 13:45
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oiaohm	Woolworths is part of a huge chain of shops. Some of the other branches sell iphones schestowitz	Oct 06 13:56
Diablo-D3	apple needs to fuck off	Oct 06 13:58
Diablo-D3	the new w logo is not an apple	Oct 06 13:58
Diablo-D3	its not even a w	Oct 06 13:58
Diablo-D3	its the official symbol of homosexuality in 2009	Oct 06 13:58
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Omar87	Diablo-D3, it makes me sick how Mac users talk about it as if it's some kind of a holy relic.	Oct 06 14:04
Diablo-D3	Omar87: its not	Oct 06 14:04
Diablo-D3	the old one is	Oct 06 14:04
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Diablo-D3	the new one is.... it feels too much like apple did it just because web 2.0 or some shit	Oct 06 14:05
Omar87	Diablo-D3, What old one?	Oct 06 14:05
Diablo-D3	Omar87: the old apple logo with the rainbow colors	Oct 06 14:05
Omar87	Diablo-D3, yeah.	Oct 06 14:06
Omar87	Diablo-D3, that logo was much better.	Oct 06 14:06
Diablo-D3	I was going to use the logo changing app thats out there	Oct 06 14:06
Omar87	Diablo-D3, it made much more sense.	Oct 06 14:06
Diablo-D3	but I forgot one thing	Oct 06 14:06
Diablo-D3	the logo appears when osx boots, not when the machine boots	Oct 06 14:06
Diablo-D3	so I never see it if I boot linux	Oct 06 14:07
oiaohm	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolworths_Limited schestowitz dick smiths and tandy under the woolworths chain sell iphones and other mac gear.	Oct 06 14:07
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Diablo-D3	dick smiths?	Oct 06 14:08
Diablo-D3	you can smith a dick?	Oct 06 14:08
Diablo-D3	I mean, I've heard of blacksmiths	Oct 06 14:08
Diablo-D3	but dicksmiths?	Oct 06 14:08
Omar87	Diablo-D3, lol :)	Oct 06 14:09
oiaohm	Its a name of a electronics store here Diablo-D3	Oct 06 14:09
oiaohm	The owner was at one point a person called dick smith	Oct 06 14:09
oiaohm	Before it got taken over by the Woolworths group.	Oct 06 14:10
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sPDNR2YS3s		Oct 06 14:11
Diablo-D3	why couldnt they just call it richard smiths	Oct 06 14:11
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Diablo-D3	or RS	Oct 06 14:11
Diablo-D3	or... wait	Oct 06 14:12
schestowitz	Any documentary anyone can recommend?	Oct 06 14:12
Diablo-D3	RS? holy fuck, they're... RADIO SHACK?!	Oct 06 14:12
Diablo-D3	BURN IT WITH FIRE!	Oct 06 14:12
oiaohm	Dick smiths solid some circuit designs to Radio shack.	Oct 06 14:13
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Omar87	Anyone knows some books/documents or website that talk about encryption and steganography?	Oct 06 14:15
MinceR	DickSmith? :>	Oct 06 14:17
MinceR	that would be a funny brand	Oct 06 14:18
oiaohm	They normally use DSE these days as brand. It stands for of all things Dick Smith Electronics.	Oct 06 14:20
Diablo-D3	Omar87: surprisingly, wikipedia	Oct 06 14:20
Diablo-D3	so they're electronic smiths?	Oct 06 14:20
Diablo-D3	no wait, that'd describe daft punk	Oct 06 14:20
oiaohm	http://steghide.sourceforge.net/ You found this MinceR?	Oct 06 14:20
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Omar87	Diablo-D3, umm, I know the Wikipedia article. But I want more depth.	Oct 06 14:21
oiaohm	Diablo-D3: Usa person trying to understand an australian brand is always funny.	Oct 06 14:21
Diablo-D3	Omar87: dont worry, I've already reported you to the fbi for trying to hide child porn	Oct 06 14:21
Omar87	Diablo-D3, like, for example, what are some famous steganographic algorithms.	Oct 06 14:22
oiaohm	Opps wrong person Omar87 you found steghide ?	Oct 06 14:22
Omar87	oiaohm, excuse me?	Oct 06 14:22
oiaohm	The program steghide open source Omar87	Oct 06 14:23
Omar87	oiaohm, really? Cool!	Oct 06 14:23
Omar87	oiaohm, I'll google it right away!	Oct 06 14:23
Diablo-D3	[09:21:02] <oiaohm> http://steghide.sourceforge.net/	Oct 06 14:23
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Diablo-D3	earth to omar	Oct 06 14:23
Omar87	Diablo-D3, oiaohm, thanks amigos. :)	Oct 06 14:24
oiaohm	steghide is old only really good for reference these days.	Oct 06 14:25
Omar87	Very, old. :)	Oct 06 14:25
Diablo-D3	shit dude	Oct 06 14:25
Omar87	But at least it can be used for studying purposes.	Oct 06 14:26
Diablo-D3	just hide your child porn in the wall like all the other sick pigs do	Oct 06 14:26
Diablo-D3	quit hiding it in other porn	Oct 06 14:26
Diablo-D3	thats just wrong	Oct 06 14:26
Omar87	Diablo-D3, could you please stop? :)	Oct 06 14:26
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oiaohm	http://stegoshare.sourceforge.net/ is what Diablo-D3 is refering to. Yes don't hang out in P2P for images you can get yourself mixed up in big annoying legal problems.	Oct 06 14:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Pronto, liguei agora a tv (já nao a ligava a meses) e quem é que me aparece a falar da Amália? O Goucha, claro, a beber o chá de jasmin...		Oct 06 14:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Desliguei a televisão e voltei para o computador... e já nao a devo ligar por mais uns meses...		Oct 06 14:31
MinceR	oiaohm: i don't think i did	Oct 06 14:31
*MinceR hides child porn in Diablo-D3's porn		Oct 06 14:32
oiaohm	That is the problem its hard to detect MinceR without the master image.	Oct 06 14:33
Diablo-D3	hmm, that leads to a problem	Oct 06 14:33
Diablo-D3	MinceR: if I fap to the porn, does that also mean Im fapping to child porn?	Oct 06 14:33
MinceR	lol	Oct 06 14:33
MinceR	well, only if your brain decodes the steganography and you consciously detect the child porn	Oct 06 14:34
Diablo-D3	well damn.	Oct 06 14:34
oiaohm	stego is also used for audio watermarking.	Oct 06 14:34
Diablo-D3	crap, if Im listening to pirated metallica I could also be looking at child porn with my ears?!	Oct 06 14:35
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalqYjcjA2Y&feature=channel		Oct 06 14:35
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oiaohm	Does give you another reason to stay well clear of not trustable content on p2p.	Oct 06 14:35
oiaohm	Hang out with crimes problem is very soon you are hanging out with the ones you never want to meet.	Oct 06 14:36
oiaohm	Mind you videos are even better because they are larger and can store more Diablo-D3	Oct 06 14:37
MinceR	and the problem with staying away from it results in slavery.	Oct 06 14:37
MinceR	s/from it/& is that it/	Oct 06 14:38
oiaohm	Not really.	Oct 06 14:38
trmanco	http://pedrofaustino.blogspot.com/2009/09/d-link-dva-g3170i-gpl-violation.html	Oct 06 14:38
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oiaohm	Most key thing is trackablity MinceR. Most doing illegal don't want to be tracked. So like creative commons music and the like safe. Development of groups to produce stuff you want legally is the way forwards.	Oct 06 14:39
oiaohm	Also tracking allow you if you do get one point to there my source go get the prick.	Oct 06 14:40
MinceR	huh?	Oct 06 14:46
Diablo-D3	omfg	Oct 06 14:46
Diablo-D3	uxa has replaced exa?	Oct 06 14:46
Diablo-D3	how many fucking acceleration archetectures is there!	Oct 06 14:46
MinceR	we currently have room for 26 ;)	Oct 06 14:46
oiaohm	LOL	Oct 06 14:48
oiaohm	uxa and exa are basically the same Diablo-D3	Oct 06 14:48
oiaohm	exa is dri1 form uxa is dri2 form.	Oct 06 14:48
Diablo-D3	ahh	Oct 06 14:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Whodathunk a postcode would be someone's "intellectual property"? http://tinyurl.com/y94ea82		Oct 06 14:54
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oiaohm	Hmm that could get interesting.	Oct 06 14:54
oiaohm	If someone decided to charage you like 1 cent every time you used a post code.	Oct 06 14:55
oiaohm	It would stack up.	Oct 06 14:55
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twitter2	good morining	Oct 06 15:22
twitter2	Over the weekend, I saw Dell deamonizing "OPEN SOURCE"	Oct 06 15:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MigueldeIcaza Compares #RichardStallman to George Bush http://ping.fm/adJRb #novell #smear		Oct 06 15:24
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schestowitz	twitter2: where?	Oct 06 15:24
twitter2	Manuals for a printer came with the usual disclaimers of fitness for purpose, but also has a huge, all caps "open source" warning that basically said that Dell was not liable for the damage cased by included "open source" software	Oct 06 15:25
schestowitz	Ha!	Oct 06 15:26
schestowitz	Shame on them	Oct 06 15:26
schestowitz	Can you scan it?	Oct 06 15:26
twitter2	no useful information about the printer was contained in the "manual" it was all software restrictions and responsibilty dodging	Oct 06 15:26
twitter2	I did not think to take a picture of it, but I might get my hands on it again in a week or so	Oct 06 15:27
twitter2	The particular printer had some kind of wireless interface, most likely the thing that had free software in it	Oct 06 15:28
twitter2	So, Dell is brave enough to sell it to customers, but realizes that M$ may chose to break their side of things and make the printer look bad.	Oct 06 15:29
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twitter2	When people start using free software, people realize where the problems come from.	Oct 06 15:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Your Postcode Is Royal Mail’s IP http://tinyurl.com/y8f9n5j		Oct 06 15:31
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twitter2	Looking through old stuff of mine, I found a M$ sticker cert from 1997. It was printed to look like a stock certificate or money and was about 8x8 cm!	Oct 06 15:32
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twitter2	Certified that all the M$ software in the computer was "legal"	Oct 06 15:33
Diablo-D3	yeah I had one	Oct 06 15:33
Diablo-D3	it was printed to look like a certificate in general, twitter	Oct 06 15:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FSFE smoking weed: "The company must also make a binding commitment not to enforce its patents against Free Software" http://i5.be/MU		Oct 06 15:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Microsoft recently announced the creation of the Codeplex Foundation.What does it mean for free software? Stallman Writes http://tr.im/ARPu		Oct 06 15:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Carries on Abusing Web #Standards with #Novell ’s Help http://ping.fm/IKiXN		Oct 06 16:02
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schestowitz	zoobab: no good? FSFE?	Oct 06 16:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Cheats Buyers http://ping.fm/LjFQq		Oct 06 16:23
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sebsebseb	hi	Oct 06 16:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] New song on SoundClick: http://tinyurl.com/ydx64ox Marti van Lin - Credo Vocal Mediation Edit 2009 by Marti van Lin		Oct 06 17:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #FTC Should Bite AstroTurfers, Not Just Bark at Them http://ping.fm/BaXEx		Oct 06 17:09
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Chiku	no webpage for informations?	Oct 06 17:12
schestowitz	Hi, sebsebseb	Oct 06 17:31
schestowitz	Chiku: what about?	Oct 06 17:32
sebsebseb	schestowitz: hi	Oct 06 17:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jose Socrates Caves to His Friend Bill Gates and Gives up #Portugal ’s Digital Sovereignty http://ping.fm/OtT0L		Oct 06 17:33
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schestowitz	trmanco: ^^	Oct 06 17:34
schestowitz	Thanks.	Oct 06 17:34
trmanco	LOL	Oct 06 17:34
trmanco	oh you posted that link I gave you	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	Re: FTC	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	Hi, Roy,	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	It looks like FTC is narrowing in on M$ marketing practices:	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government-IT/FTC-Declares-Bloggers-Must-Disclose-Paid-Endorsements-201741/	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	I wonder which approaches M$ will use to try to weasel out of it. These	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	operate in cells like other political subversion groups, though unlike	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	some political groups, the M$ cells are often known to each other. I	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	think its the legal separation they are going for rather than the intel.	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 17:35
phIRCe	Title: FTC Declares Bloggers Must Disclose Paid Endorsements .::. Size~: 97.98 KB	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	trmanco: not just in Boycott Novell	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	These rich-loving politicians piss me off	Oct 06 17:35
schestowitz	They act like school girls around Gates and his groupies	Oct 06 17:36
trmanco	http://identi.ca/notice/11454914	Oct 06 17:36
trmanco	see this	Oct 06 17:36
phIRCe	Title: Mark Kretschmann (markey) 's status on Tuesday, 06-Oct-09 16:22:09 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.33 KB	Oct 06 17:36
schestowitz	Cause when they finish their role in politics they can get invited over and get more than the $50k per speech	Oct 06 17:36
schestowitz	The people who run Microsoft fart out $50k in the bathroom	Oct 06 17:36
schestowitz	Remember Sarko's visit.	Oct 06 17:36
schestowitz	He got caught with a Microsoft exec	Oct 06 17:37
trmanco	BillG came here to visit us some years ago	Oct 06 17:37
trmanco	I think it was around the Vista launch	Oct 06 17:37
schestowitz	trmanco: he's wrong, according to Camp Mono	Oct 06 17:37
schestowitz	The Mono defenders said it was a horrible article	Oct 06 17:38
trmanco	...	Oct 06 17:38
schestowitz	And out of place, whatever	Oct 06 17:38
trmanco	yeah so there even more horrible piece of text deserves to be published	Oct 06 17:38
schestowitz	trmanco: probably spoke of saving the kids whose killing he funds at the same time	Oct 06 17:38
schestowitz	Mother Teresa Peraly	Oct 06 17:38
schestowitz	trmanco: like what?	Oct 06 17:39
schestowitz	Make a translation	Oct 06 17:39
schestowitz	Make it addendum/comment	Oct 06 17:39
trmanco	like the article that really hit slashdot	Oct 06 17:39
schestowitz	Oh	Oct 06 17:39
schestowitz	I thought you mean Portugal	Oct 06 17:39
trmanco	no	Oct 06 17:39
schestowitz	Shane on SLashdot	Oct 06 17:40
trmanco	Il'' brb	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/11454914	Oct 06 17:40
phIRCe	Title: Mark Kretschmann (markey) 's status on Tuesday, 06-Oct-09 16:22:09 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.33 KB	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	"Slashdot failed to post about the great Groklaw article (http://2tu.us/v1y) about RMS/Miguel, but now reports some blog article from Miguel"	Oct 06 17:40
phIRCe	Title: Groklaw - On Mono, Miguel, Stallman and Fusion with Microsoft .::. Size~: 213.31 KB	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	But guess what Slashdot DOES AIR?	Oct 06 17:40
trmanco	I ought to see the thread	Oct 06 17:40
trmanco	...	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	Hi, Roy,	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	Here comes de Icaza with his personal attacks against RMS:	Oct 06 17:40
trmanco	maybe I can fish something from there	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/132231/De-Icaza-Responds-To-Stallman	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	There was a scene in the Jackson LOTR where Sauruman tries to convince	Oct 06 17:40
phIRCe	Title: Slashdot News Story \| De Icaza Responds To Stallman .::. Size~: 170.62 KB	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	Gandalf to surrender. For a few minutes, the actor playing Sauruman	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	really sounds like he's imitating de Icaza.	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	Shame on /.	Oct 06 17:40
schestowitz	They take the Microsoft party line, as always	Oct 06 17:40
trmanco	shame on .\|.	Oct 06 17:40
trmanco	:-P	Oct 06 17:40
trmanco	I don't go there anymore	Oct 06 17:41
trmanco	slashdot	Oct 06 17:41
schestowitz	"Microsoft should ask for its money back. de Icaza is a terrible troll."	Oct 06 17:41
schestowitz	"Stallman is of course right to point out that he is a Microsoft apologist - he is a notorious one. It is beyond argument that Microsoft spends significant dollars in direct and "personal" attempts to crush free software development projects such as Linux through the most indefensible barratry."	Oct 06 17:41
schestowitz	http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1394239&cid=29656171	Oct 06 17:41
trmanco	is that from slashdot?	Oct 06 17:41
phIRCe	Title: Slashdot Comments \| De Icaza Responds To Stallman .::. Size~: 135.37 KB	Oct 06 17:41
schestowitz	Miguel de Ramji	Oct 06 17:41
trmanco	hah	Oct 06 17:41
schestowitz	Turncoat	Oct 06 17:41
trmanco	the thing is	Oct 06 17:41
trmanco	rms didn't write he was a microsoft apologist	Oct 06 17:42
trmanco	he only wrote "apologist" be he didn't say of what	Oct 06 17:42
schestowitz	"Miguel must chuckle at himself when he writes things like "Fear mongering is a vibrant industry." It is too rich in irony for him not to know it. Yes, he suggests Microsoft is our "ally." A hilarious notion that, when he writes it, makes it clear what contempt he has for you, the reader."	Oct 06 17:42
Chiku	boycott is about novell got partenership with microsoft?	Oct 06 17:42
schestowitz	That's the FP btw	Oct 06 17:42
schestowitz	Chiku: yes	Oct 06 17:42
Chiku	didn't citrix too?	Oct 06 17:43
schestowitz	Citrix were always on that side	Oct 06 17:44
trmanco	brb	Oct 06 17:44
Chiku	their partenership wasn't in order to get microsoft technologies for the virtual market?	Oct 06 17:44
schestowitz	http://twitter.com/fakedanlyons/statuses/4656586693	Oct 06 17:45
phIRCe	Title: Twitter / fakedanlyons: Let me get this straight: ... .::. Size~: 9.16 KB	Oct 06 17:45
Chiku	like get better virtual drivers for windows running on xen	Oct 06 17:45
schestowitz	Idiot troll the above	Oct 06 17:45
Chiku	to fight vmware	Oct 06 17:46
Chiku	there are no links about why novell is bad?	Oct 06 17:48
Chiku	you should write them on topic	Oct 06 17:48
schestowitz	Chiku: See the front page for example	Oct 06 17:48
schestowitz	Chiku: I wrote many posts	Oct 06 17:48
schestowitz	Shane did too	Oct 06 17:48
schestowitz	In 2006	Oct 06 17:48
schestowitz	It's old news by now, but there are summaries	Oct 06 17:48
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Chiku	front page? you mean the channel topic?	Oct 06 17:48
schestowitz	Many other sits wrote similar articles	Oct 06 17:49
Chiku	where is the front page?	Oct 06 17:49
schestowitz	Bruce Perens, Jack Wallen, Pam Jones....	Oct 06 17:49
schestowitz	Chiku: http://boycottnovell.com	Oct 06 17:49
phIRCe	Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.19 KB	Oct 06 17:49
schestowitz	Very concise at the start	Oct 06 17:49
Chiku	you should add it on channel topic	Oct 06 17:49
schestowitz	Someone suggests 1.5 years ago that visitors are presented with such a summary	Oct 06 17:50
schestowitz	Rather than just latest posts	Oct 06 17:50
schestowitz	Chiku: what does the topic say other than what I put in description?	Oct 06 17:50
schestowitz	It can't be too long-wided	Oct 06 17:50
schestowitz	*winded	Oct 06 17:50
trmanco	http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/demos/photos.svg	Oct 06 17:52
trmanco	who needs microsoft surface?	Oct 06 17:52
trmanco	http://www.open3dweb.com/demos/2d/canvasexpt/ some other experiment with canvas	Oct 06 17:53
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trmanco	http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3.2.php	Oct 06 17:54
phIRCe	Title: KDE - KDE 4.3.2 Release Announcement .::. Size~: 15.97 KB	Oct 06 17:54
trmanco	:D	Oct 06 17:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] The awesomeness of SVG -> http://is.gd/40H8S		Oct 06 17:55
phIRCe	Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/xml type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Oct 06 17:55
trmanco	http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_3_1to4_3_2.php	Oct 06 17:55
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Chiku	Microsoft Carries on Abusing Web Standards with Novell’s Help <-- what novell did to help it?	Oct 06 17:58
trmanco	https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages	Oct 06 18:05
trmanco	wow	Oct 06 18:05
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trmanco	that was fast	Oct 06 18:05
schestowitz	Chiku: Novell promotes Silverlight use	Oct 06 18:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK’s First-ever #LiMo Phones Are Encumbered by #Microsoft #Patent Tax (on #Linux ) http://ping.fm/9Hrwk #swpat		Oct 06 18:16
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schestowitz	trmanco: doesn't list knode	Oct 06 18:16
schestowitz	It's not in the default build	Oct 06 18:16
schestowitz	"Free desktop"	Oct 06 18:16
schestowitz	KDE doesn't do the "open sourcE" nonsense	Oct 06 18:16
schestowitz	I like it about them	Oct 06 18:16
schestowitz	They also snubbed OOXML	Oct 06 18:17
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schestowitz	ThistleWeb: I do a post that quotes you	Oct 06 18:47
ThistleWeb	cool	Oct 06 18:47
*ThistleWeb will be famous in his own living room lol		Oct 06 18:47
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Omar87	Hi all	Oct 06 18:52
schestowitz	Posted.	Oct 06 18:52
Omar87	Just to remind myself: F-Spot is mono-based, right?	Oct 06 18:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Hotmail Information Leaked, #IntellectualMonopolies Now Applied to UK Post Codes http://ping.fm/moUUV		Oct 06 18:53
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schestowitz	Hey, Omar87. What's new?	Oct 06 18:53
schestowitz	Omar87: it is, yes	Oct 06 18:53
Omar87	schestowitz, yeah, I know. I just wanted to remember. :)	Oct 06 18:53
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono_Applications	Oct 06 18:53
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schestowitz	trmanco: does phIRCe store the pages it fetches?	Oct 06 18:54
trmanco	1 time only	Oct 06 18:54
schestowitz	Cause I have a fetcher for links cited by BN blog, but none for IRC	Oct 06 18:54
schestowitz	It's good when stuff disappears	Oct 06 18:55
schestowitz	Then you can bring it back to sight and re-look	Oct 06 18:55
trmanco	well, no	Oct 06 18:55
trmanco	it doesn't do that	Oct 06 18:55
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557599/mod-security-manual-leaked-web	Oct 06 18:56
trmanco	but I can make it do that	Oct 06 18:56
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gy00dZGeUYsGL4BNYG7gZkDOL32AD9B55R000	Oct 06 18:58
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schestowitz	roy@roy:~$ cd archives/	Oct 06 18:58
schestowitz	roy@roy:~/archives$ du -sh	Oct 06 18:58
schestowitz	8.9G .	Oct 06 18:58
schestowitz	9 gb of web pages	Oct 06 18:58
schestowitz	like massive cache	Oct 06 18:58
trmanco	wow	Oct 06 18:59
schestowitz	Shaun Nichols writes for the Inquirer now. So weird	Oct 06 18:59
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schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557524/us-regulate-bloggers	Oct 06 18:59
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8291825.stm	Oct 06 19:00
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schestowitz	"US regulators will for the first time crack down on bloggers who fail to disclose fees or freebies they get from companies for reviewing products."	Oct 06 19:00
schestowitz	They should go after Andre da Costa and cums	Oct 06 19:01
schestowitz	*chums	Oct 06 19:01
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schestowitz	Hey, amarsh04	Oct 06 19:01
schestowitz	amd-linux:	Oct 06 19:01
amd-linux	hi there	Oct 06 19:01
trmanco	do you have a safe backup of those archives? :-P	Oct 06 19:01
schestowitz	You usually come here when there's s/t to tell	Oct 06 19:01
schestowitz	trmanco: yes	Oct 06 19:01
amd-linux	just one quick info: Guess which OS is on 2 of the 3 most sold notebooks at amazon Germany....?	Oct 06 19:01
schestowitz	3 hard-drives	Oct 06 19:01
trmanco	ha good	Oct 06 19:01
schestowitz	amd-linux: give me the link	Oct 06 19:02
schestowitz	I want to post a screenshot	Oct 06 19:02
amd-linux	and guess which is powering the bestselling notebook at amazon Germany	Oct 06 19:02
amd-linux	http://www.amazon.de/s?ie=UTF8&rh=n%3A3034891%2C%3A%2C%3A%2C%3A%2C%3A	Oct 06 19:02
schestowitz	To end the Microsoft "US-only" FUD pattern	Oct 06 19:02
amd-linux	hope this works	Oct 06 19:02
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schestowitz	Is there news coverage too?	Oct 06 19:02
Diablo-D3	an... acer?	Oct 06 19:02
amd-linux	nope	Oct 06 19:02
ThistleWeb	schestowitz: I also did a blog post on the postcode IP thing	Oct 06 19:02
schestowitz	Ha!	Oct 06 19:02
schestowitz	Brilliant	Oct 06 19:02
Omar87	schestowitz, can you please give me the link to page describing how to purge mono junk from ubuntu?	Oct 06 19:02
amd-linux	Purge mono from Karmic?	Oct 06 19:03
JPerlow	omar: you might as well just use gnewsense	Oct 06 19:03
schestowitz	Omar87: there are many pages like that	Oct 06 19:03
Diablo-D3	Omar87: apt-get remove it	Oct 06 19:03
schestowitz	Google it	Oct 06 19:03
amd-linux	Easy: just remove the corelib package	Oct 06 19:03
Omar87	amarsh04, yep.	Oct 06 19:03
schestowitz	amd-linux: hold on.	Oct 06 19:03
schestowitz	Me edits in GIMP	Oct 06 19:03
schestowitz	For layout	Oct 06 19:03
Omar87	schestowitz, true!	Oct 06 19:03
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schestowitz	amd-linux: #4 also comes with "Linux"	Oct 06 19:04
schestowitz	Is it a known distro	Oct 06 19:04
schestowitz	?	Oct 06 19:04
amd-linux	on Karmic , do "apt-get purge mono-runtime" and you are free of this pest	Oct 06 19:05
amd-linux	Amazon.de is a good barometer for notebooks here in Germany, they are among the top sellers	Oct 06 19:05
amd-linux	gotta go, see you	Oct 06 19:06
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Diablo-D3	AMAZON RULES THE WORLD	Oct 06 19:06
Omar87	Weird.	Oct 06 19:07
Omar87	According to an old post from Open Sourcerer, all I need to do is purge remove mono-common.	Oct 06 19:07
popey	he's updating that post for karmic	Oct 06 19:08
popey	because package names have changed	Oct 06 19:08
Omar87	popey, oh, I see now.	Oct 06 19:08
Omar87	popey, thanks	Oct 06 19:08
popey	np	Oct 06 19:09
popey	i went out for curry with him last night and he told me then :)	Oct 06 19:09
Omar87	Cool! :D	Oct 06 19:09
Omar87	Say hi to him next time you see him. ;)	Oct 06 19:09
schestowitz	Ah, Alan..	Oct 06 19:09
schestowitz	Did he go to Wolverhampton?	Oct 06 19:09
popey	what, last night?	Oct 06 19:10
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Omar87	How could I find out the new mono package names?	Oct 06 19:14
popey	look at the dependancies for an app like tomboy	Oct 06 19:14
popey	Depends: mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1), libc6 (>= 2.10) \| libc6.1 (>= 2.10) \| libc0.1 (>= 2.10), libgconf2.0-cil (>= 2.24.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.20.0), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.12.9), libgmime2.2a-cil (>= 2.2.22), libgnome2.24-cil (>= 2.24.0), libgnomepanel2.24-cil (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.17.11), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.12.9), libgtkspell0, libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil (>= 0.4), libmono-addins0.2-cil (>= 0.4), libmono-cairo2.0-cil (>= 2.4), libm	Oct 06 19:15
trmanco	schestowitz: I'll be implementing what you've said now	Oct 06 19:15
popey	basically anything with "mono" or "cil" in the name	Oct 06 19:15
Omar87	lol	Oct 06 19:17
JPerlow	Or, you could just use Kubuntu.	Oct 06 19:17
JPerlow	or Gnewsense.	Oct 06 19:17
Omar87	Seems like all I needed to do was apt-get remove --purge mono* :D	Oct 06 19:17
Omar87	Actually, no.	Oct 06 19:18
Omar87	I thank God I didn't go on with that command. :P	Oct 06 19:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 1st, 3rd, and 4th Top-selling Laptops in #Amazon #Germany Come with #GNU #Linux http://ping.fm/W3EqW		Oct 06 19:19
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schestowitz	JPerlow: did you try gnewsense?	Oct 06 19:19
schestowitz	How is it w/ h/w detection?	Oct 06 19:19
schestowitz	You use very modern h/w AFAIK	Oct 06 19:19
Omar87	schestowitz, I tried it. Too bad it's still built on top of Hardy.	Oct 06 19:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Alright! Ubuntu Kamic Koala Beta installed, and all mono rubbish and junk were purged successfully! :D		Oct 06 19:22
schestowitz	I suppose Shields ain't maintaining little chicken anymore :-D	Oct 06 19:22
schestowitz	Just insulting others with a so-called 'remix'	Oct 06 19:23
JPerlow	schestowitz: a few builds ago	Oct 06 19:25
JPerlow	not sure it would do much for me now, I'm more inclined to use Mint, Koala and Opensuse 11.2 now	Oct 06 19:25
JPerlow	I don't run "one" linux distribution	Oct 06 19:25
JPerlow	my hardware itself is rather unimportant, virtually everything I run is virtualized	Oct 06 19:29
JPerlow	my lab environment consists of ESXi, Windows Server 2008 R2 Hyper-V and RHEL/CentOS	Oct 06 19:30
JPerlow	although ProxMox also gets used	Oct 06 19:30
JPerlow	which I think is a really nice system	Oct 06 19:30
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JPerlow	my two desktops run Windows 7 and CentOS	Oct 06 19:31
schestowitz	OK, I accept that your job requires that	Oct 06 19:35
schestowitz	When did you leave OS/2 behind?	Oct 06 19:35
schestowitz	http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/10/06/sudan-end-rights-abuses-repression	Oct 06 19:36
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schestowitz	http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/10/06/sudan-end-rights-abuses-repression	Oct 06 19:36
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schestowitz	Oops.	Oct 06 19:36
schestowitz	http://it-chuiko.com/computers/729-the-new-version-of-sabayon-linux.html	Oct 06 19:36
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schestowitz	I want to try Gentoo one day. Sabayon makes it easy and fabio is back to KDE4 proper	Oct 06 19:37
schestowitz	RMS is going to MY.	Oct 06 19:38
schestowitz	"Also there is Richard Matthew Stallman, the father of the free software movement, who will be speaking on the movement and GNU/Linux."	Oct 06 19:38
schestowitz	http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2009/10/6/technology/20091006153049&sec=technology	Oct 06 19:38
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JPerlow	schestowitz: I stopped using OS/2 around 1996.	Oct 06 19:39
JPerlow	athough, in 1999 I did a bit of Y2K work with it	Oct 06 19:39
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JPerlow	RMS is in new zealand at the moment	Oct 06 19:40
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schestowitz	http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=71012	Oct 06 19:40
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schestowitz	JPerlow: not sure	Oct 06 19:40
schestowitz	He was on a show there	Oct 06 19:41
schestowitz	A while ago	Oct 06 19:41
schestowitz	http://lianza2009.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/richard-stallman-on-radio-new-zealand/	Oct 06 19:41
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JPerlow	well. two days ago, I can tell you for sure he was.	Oct 06 19:41
schestowitz	But you know better	Oct 06 19:41
schestowitz	You spoke to him	Oct 06 19:41
schestowitz	Yeah, beat me to it!	Oct 06 19:41
JPerlow	because I had to CALL him.	Oct 06 19:41
schestowitz	I suppose your interview w/ him is not up yet	Oct 06 19:41
JPerlow	well, I could put it up, but I am concerned about bandwidth requirements.	Oct 06 19:41
JPerlow	the audio is 18 minutes long	Oct 06 19:42
JPerlow	and in MP3 format 32kbps, its only 4MB	Oct 06 19:42
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schestowitz	But phone changes run proprietary software :-)	Oct 06 19:42
JPerlow	in ogg, same sample rate, its 16MB	Oct 06 19:42
schestowitz	*exchanges	Oct 06 19:42
JPerlow	it may be I am doing something wrong but I ran several passes thrugh it and it got to the same size	Oct 06 19:42
schestowitz	RMS does well in South A.http://www.internetadsales.com/peruvian-gov-improves-employee-collaboration-with-open-source-solutions-from-red-hat-alfresco-and-zi	Oct 06 19:43
JPerlow	I'm going to try to shrink it	Oct 06 19:43
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schestowitz	Why shrink it?	Oct 06 19:43
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schestowitz	Hosted on ZeeDee, no?	Oct 06 19:43
JPerlow	no not zd.	Oct 06 19:43
schestowitz	The podacst site (w// Hess)?	Oct 06 19:43
JPerlow	I cant use that in ogg there.	Oct 06 19:43
JPerlow	blogtalkradio streams in mp3 format	Oct 06 19:44
JPerlow	doesnt support ogg	Oct 06 19:44
JPerlow	plus I have to release the content under a license that RMS wants, so it would be easir if the FSF hosts it itself.	Oct 06 19:45
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schestowitz	Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:53:56 -0400	Oct 06 19:46
schestowitz	From: Matt Lee <campaigns@fsf.org>	Oct 06 19:46
schestowitz	User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	MIME-Version: 1.0	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	To: campaigns@fsf.org	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	Subject: Free Software Foundation to launch second wave of Windows 7 Sins	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 19:47
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schestowitz	Tomorrow, we're sending the second wave of letters, making the case	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	against Microsoft and proprietary software by writing to 500 leaders	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	of the most influential charities and nongovernmental organizations	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	(NGOs) worldwide,	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	asking them to make the switch to freedom-respecting free software,	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	and to help foster awareness of the ethical importance of computer	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	user freedom.	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 19:47
schestowitz	http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/06/robovie_robot/ < Atom comes to android	Oct 06 19:49
schestowitz	"In Blighty, Intel’s Atom is usually confined to netbooks and MIDs. But in Japan, Atom has been used to provide processing power for a highly flexible robot."	Oct 06 19:49
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/06/conservative_it_plans/	Oct 06 19:49
schestowitz	US court says software is owned, not licensed http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/06/software_ownership_ruling/	Oct 06 19:51
schestowitz	Bad new to Microsoft ^^^	Oct 06 19:51
schestowitz	People can now auction their old copy of WIndows and Office	Oct 06 19:52
Omar87	schestowitz, and how is that bad to Microsoft?	Oct 06 19:53
schestowitz	Omar87: have a look at articles on the topic	Oct 06 19:53
schestowitz	Basically, it's anti "IP"	Oct 06 19:53
schestowitz	Software is property now, not just licensed, BUT...	Oct 06 19:54
Omar87	schestowitz, oh yeah, I almost forgot that. :)	Oct 06 19:54
schestowitz	You can give it away as though it is property, so people can resell and thus buy less WIndows and Office	Oct 06 19:54
schestowitz	IIRC, Munch used Win2000 resales	Oct 06 19:54
JPerlow	ok, I got the ogg down to 4mb	Oct 06 19:54
JPerlow	those encoder options are tricky	Oct 06 19:54
schestowitz	18 minutes????	Oct 06 19:54
schestowitz	At this bitrate the voices can sound different	Oct 06 19:55
JPerlow	nah	Oct 06 19:55
JPerlow	not at 32kbps	Oct 06 19:55
JPerlow	mono	Oct 06 19:55
schestowitz	Heh	Oct 06 19:55
schestowitz	stereo-nono	Oct 06 19:55
JPerlow	its phone quality	Oct 06 19:55
JPerlow	anything around 16bkps is fine for phone	Oct 06 19:55
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schestowitz	if there are two voices, it's more compressible than music	Oct 06 19:55
schestowitz	Though music too has rhythms	Oct 06 19:56
JPerlow	I wonder if I can go smaller	Oct 06 19:56
JPerlow	as audacity seems to do a decent job of the transcode	Oct 06 19:56
ThistleWeb	how does that affect the mac clones then?	Oct 06 19:56
JPerlow	?	Oct 06 19:56
ThistleWeb	they bought osx legally, and sold pcs with osx on it	Oct 06 19:57
ThistleWeb	if software is owned, not licenced, they can do that	Oct 06 19:57
ThistleWeb	reselling	Oct 06 19:57
ThistleWeb	pystar, was struggling to theink of the name	Oct 06 19:58
JPerlow	dude, you got to start converstations in context	Oct 06 19:58
JPerlow	I'm not that omiscient	Oct 06 19:58
ThistleWeb	yeah, just thinking out loud	Oct 06 19:58
schestowitz	http://ostatic.com/blog/beta-release-of-evernote-for-android-available-for-testing why do people pretend android apps are something to do with FOSS?	Oct 06 19:59
schestowitz	ThistleWeb: psychostar\	Oct 06 19:59
schestowitz	minus the "cho"	Oct 06 19:59
ThistleWeb	put in a more coherent way "if software is classed as sales, not licenced, which then allows resells, how does this affect mac clones like pystar"?	Oct 06 20:00
JPerlow	ok now I got it down to 3.62MB	Oct 06 20:00
ThistleWeb	pystar bought and paid for each copy of osx they used	Oct 06 20:00
ThistleWeb	brb	Oct 06 20:03
schestowitz	http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=962	Oct 06 20:03
JPerlow	well	Oct 06 20:03
JPerlow	I am not a lawyer	Oct 06 20:03
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JPerlow	I can only speculate on the technology impact of what psystar is doing.	Oct 06 20:04
schestowitz	JPerlow: sounds like you split the atom on that audio file	Oct 06 20:04
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schestowitz	JPerlow: they don't do much.	Oct 06 20:04
JPerlow	nah, not really... I think ogg vorbis at 1 quality out of 10 is sufficent for monaural phone	Oct 06 20:04
schestowitz	It's just Apple	Oct 06 20:04
JPerlow	as phone esentially is 8khz	Oct 06 20:04
schestowitz	Apple marketing extraordinaire + cheap h/w	Oct 06 20:05
schestowitz	Apple doesn't spend all that money on marketing to sell just an OS	Oct 06 20:05
schestowitz	bandwidth is not the bottleneck in most DCs	Oct 06 20:05
schestowitz	CPU is	Oct 06 20:05
schestowitz	At 1gbit you could serve this file 250 time/sec, theoretically	Oct 06 20:06
schestowitz	*times	Oct 06 20:06
schestowitz	Mozilla could do that with Firefox	Oct 06 20:06
schestowitz	Now, now... I'm not saying that Firefox is more popular than an RMS talk	Oct 06 20:06
schestowitz	Not even hours within release	Oct 06 20:06
schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11243	Oct 06 20:08
schestowitz	"M$ Harpooned de-void in the Ice Age w/it's Flea Bitten OS! grin"	Oct 06 20:08
schestowitz	Kids finish schools around this time in NY	Oct 06 20:08
schestowitz	http://forum.sabayonlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=18403	Oct 06 20:09
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schestowitz	http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-17924-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=69927&messageID=1340979	Oct 06 20:10
JPerlow	thank god for the lunatics.	Oct 06 20:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This http://is.gd/40VDa is why this http://is.gd/40VIf is needed #ralphlauren		Oct 06 20:14
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schestowitz	http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6865/1/	Oct 06 20:15
schestowitz	"President Nicolas Sarkozy on holiday in an image that the French magazine Paris Match retouched to render him slimmer" < http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1927227,00.html?xid=rss-topstories >	Oct 06 20:15
schestowitz	The RIAA takes this little piggies to many dinners	Oct 06 20:16
schestowitz	http://media-newswire.com/release_1100319.html	Oct 06 20:16
schestowitz	"IBM ( NYSE: IBM ) today opened a Linux innovation center in the capital city of the Republic of Kazakhstan."	Oct 06 20:17
schestowitz	Still popping up in ODF feeds	Oct 06 20:17
JPerlow	need to bring this vm down, bbiab	Oct 06 20:17
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schestowitz	MS-Watch truly lost relevance when Joe left :-) http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/could_steve_ballmers_signature_get_you_to_party.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535	Oct 06 20:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @pezholio Sign the petition to encorage the Royal Mail to offer a free postcode API for non-profit websites http://bit.ly/yxM52 Please RT		Oct 06 20:25
schestowitz	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/6261756/MoD-how-to-stop-leaks-document-is-leaked.html	Oct 06 20:30
schestowitz	http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/23576/?a=f	Oct 06 20:30
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trmanco	grr	Oct 06 20:35
trmanco	I had to stop working because of a thunderstorm	Oct 06 20:35
trmanco	anyway	Oct 06 20:35
trmanco	back to work now	Oct 06 20:35
schestowitz	Have you heard from wispy recently?	Oct 06 20:39
schestowitz	Is it just me, or has all our 'generation' ditched Digg by now?	Oct 06 20:40
schestowitz	Everyone I knew from Digg has moved on to other things in life. But Digg.com still seems to attract some people.....	Oct 06 20:40
schestowitz	Slashdot too, although far fewer	Oct 06 20:40
trmanco	no I haven't seen her	Oct 06 20:42
JPerlow	I've lost interest in digg.	Oct 06 20:42
JPerlow	I used to submit all my articles to digg	Oct 06 20:42
JPerlow	now I just do twitter and reddit	Oct 06 20:42
schestowitz	http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/426-top-3-linux-password-managers	Oct 06 20:42
schestowitz	Digg used to be a technology site	Oct 06 20:43
schestowitz	they left out kde wallet	Oct 06 20:44
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: dude	Oct 06 20:44
Diablo-D3	digg was never big to begin with	Oct 06 20:44
schestowitz	http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=a_povray_modeler_some_progress&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1	Oct 06 20:44
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: it was more focused	Oct 06 20:44
schestowitz	Now it's all over the place	Oct 06 20:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cough @glynmoody learns an important lesson about cloud computing http://is.gd/40YAp		Oct 06 20:48
schestowitz	Heh: http://www.freebsdnews.net/2009/10/05/freebsd-linux/	Oct 06 20:52
schestowitz	Insulting to Linux, though	Oct 06 20:52
JPerlow	amusing	Oct 06 20:54
JPerlow	what's Z/OS, a M1A1 main battle tank?	Oct 06 20:55
schestowitz	JPerlow: see http://www.ibspublishing.com/index.cfm?section=news&action=view&id=13440	Oct 06 20:56
MinceR	bsd fanboys love insulting linux	Oct 06 20:56
schestowitz	The other day we spoke about WIndows stability and reliability	Oct 06 20:56
schestowitz	See this one also: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?RSS&entryid=2568	Oct 06 20:56
MinceR	developing something worthwhile, not so much	Oct 06 20:56
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, that's their low-hanging fruit	Oct 06 20:56
schestowitz	Linux->BSD	Oct 06 20:56
JPerlow	bsd has its good points	Oct 06 20:56
schestowitz	Not BSDpple > BSD	Oct 06 20:56
JPerlow	and the license is flexible.	Oct 06 20:56
schestowitz	Apple knows the licence is flexible	Oct 06 20:57
schestowitz	It flexes the s* out of it	Oct 06 20:57
schestowitz	ANd then prevents people from running that BSD even on /hardware/ of their choice	Oct 06 20:57
schestowitz	Even if they pay for the t0rd	Oct 06 20:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] never neglect the little things http://is.gd/40ZzG twm is being maintained too now		Oct 06 20:58
JPerlow	well, actually, you can run pure darwin on any hardware of your choice	Oct 06 20:58
JPerlow	its the GUI userland stuff apple keeps proprietary	Oct 06 20:58
schestowitz	The Open Source Initiative’s corporate status is suspended: a CAOS Theory Q&A < http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/10/06/the-open-source-initiatives-corporate-status-is-suspended-a-caos-theory-qa/ >	Oct 06 20:59
MinceR	m$ flexes the s* out of it too	Oct 06 20:59
schestowitz	JPerlow: yes, Apple loves the take, no the give	Oct 06 20:59
MinceR	crApple doesn't only take	Oct 06 20:59
JPerlow	frankly moving to an open source kernel and x86 architecture loosened their contral rather than to help them maintain it	Oct 06 20:59
schestowitz	That's why RMS made the GPL	Oct 06 20:59
MinceR	they then proceed to try and destroy the community they took from.	Oct 06 20:59
MinceR	see crApple sw patent love	Oct 06 20:59
schestowitz	People would abuse his emacs like this otherwise	Oct 06 20:59
MinceR	and lockdown, etc.	Oct 06 20:59
schestowitz	And we can all still choose rms' licence	Oct 06 21:00
JPerlow	if I were inclined to totally close off the system, I would have stayed with PPC architecture and a completely proprietary UNIX codebase for the base os	Oct 06 21:00
JPerlow	GPL has its uses	Oct 06 21:00
schestowitz	They wanted to run WIndows	Oct 06 21:00
schestowitz	So they went Intel	Oct 06 21:00
JPerlow	as does BSD	Oct 06 21:00
schestowitz	IMHO	Oct 06 21:00
JPerlow	and various other licenses	Oct 06 21:00
schestowitz	IOW, Jobs caved to inferior arch just so that his follower can run VIsta	Oct 06 21:01
JPerlow	I have always liked the PPC architecture	Oct 06 21:01
schestowitz	Well, you're biased	Oct 06 21:01
schestowitz	ppc has many ibm patents	Oct 06 21:02
JPerlow	how so?	Oct 06 21:02
JPerlow	I worked with PPCs in the NT days	Oct 06 21:02
JPerlow	if you think its because of my employer, you'd be dead wrong	Oct 06 21:02
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 21:02
schestowitz	So the Open Source Initiative could lose it name?	Oct 06 21:02
schestowitz	Yes it would appear so. In fact, it may already have done. If that were the case we believe it would impact the OSI’s ability to enforce its trademarks related to “OSI”, “Open Source Initiative”, and the OSI logo.	Oct 06 21:02
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 21:02
schestowitz	Linux with PPC is harder to come by now	Oct 06 21:03
schestowitz	YDL was sold	Oct 06 21:03
schestowitz	Fedora still runs that	Oct 06 21:03
schestowitz	IBM uses it in PPC clusters	Oct 06 21:04
JPerlow	power is the architecture of Z	Oct 06 21:04
JPerlow	RH on POWER exists	Oct 06 21:04
JPerlow	and on SUSE	Oct 06 21:04
JPerlow	and on debian as far as I know	Oct 06 21:04
MinceR	220019 < JPerlow> if I were inclined to totally close off the system, I would have stayed with PPC architecture and a completely proprietary UNIX codebase for the base os	Oct 06 21:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Will The SNP Have Some Unexpected Campaign Support? \| The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y9ytrve		Oct 06 21:05
MinceR	proprietary unix was dying already	Oct 06 21:05
MinceR	even back then	Oct 06 21:05
schestowitz	learning a new shell: zsh < http://xylld.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/learning-a-new-shell-zsh/ >	Oct 06 21:05
JPerlow	apple had to make architectual choices	Oct 06 21:05
MinceR	also, crApple knows they can't code nor maintain an OS to save their lives	Oct 06 21:05
MinceR	case in point: Mac OS.	Oct 06 21:05
JPerlow	originally, NeXTstep was totally locked down, it was based on mach	Oct 06 21:05
schestowitz	Yes, Debian does like 18	Oct 06 21:05
JPerlow	when they moved to OpenStep they abstracted the GUI from the OS	Oct 06 21:05
JPerlow	at one point NeXT was going to be hardware agnostic when they stopped being a hardware manufactuirer	Oct 06 21:06
MinceR	even with osx they're lagging badly with distributing patches from upstream	Oct 06 21:06
JPerlow	they partnered with HP and Sun and Canon to product OpenStep systems	Oct 06 21:06
MinceR	(and with their own security fixes)	Oct 06 21:06
JPerlow	and they even built their GUI for NT	Oct 06 21:06
schestowitz	MinceR: they are slow, yes	Oct 06 21:06
schestowitz	They send a lump once in 1-2 months	Oct 06 21:06
schestowitz	In Linux is takes just days/hours	Oct 06 21:06
schestowitz	Depending on severity	Oct 06 21:06
schestowitz	Some Apple updates also b0rk the OS	Oct 06 21:07
schestowitz	The same still happens to iPhones	Oct 06 21:07
schestowitz	Bad fallbacks	Oct 06 21:07
JPerlow	when NeXT was bought by apple, tevanian and others chose BSD as the basis for the next version of OpenStep, aka Mac OS X	Oct 06 21:07
schestowitz	They don't use a good mechanism in case of network failures during update	Oct 06 21:07
schestowitz	JPerlow: http://www.boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Avadis_Tevanian_to_Bill_Gates:_IE4_disables_Quicktime	Oct 06 21:08
JPerlow	tevanian ditched apple	Oct 06 21:09
JPerlow	back in 2005 or so	Oct 06 21:09
trmanco	heh	Oct 06 21:09
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trmanco	schestowitz: the bot now saves the html content	Oct 06 21:09
schestowitz	with wget?	Oct 06 21:09
schestowitz	it needs to keep dir structure	Oct 06 21:10
trmanco	ti just saves plain text	Oct 06 21:10
trmanco	no images	Oct 06 21:10
schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0122466416.shtml	Oct 06 21:13
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Omar87	Guys, Ubuntu has come a looooooong way in terms of booting time.	Oct 06 21:14
Omar87	It's amazingly fast now!	Oct 06 21:14
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8290181.stm	Oct 06 21:18
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schestowitz	Omar87: yes, it's very fast	Oct 06 21:18
Omar87	schestowitz, yeah man.	Oct 06 21:21
Omar87	We shall wait and see how the bloated Vista 7 will compete against that. :)	Oct 06 21:24
JPerlow	I suspect Windows 7 will do just fine.	Oct 06 21:26
schestowitz	a profit?	Oct 06 21:27
schestowitz	*at	Oct 06 21:27
JPerlow	the biggest opportunity I see for Linux on the desktop is in subscriber cloud-based services and thin client desktops	Oct 06 21:27
JPerlow	particularly in emerging countries	Oct 06 21:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] It's like the other Steve said: DEVELOPERS. Palm won't piss them off the way Apple does. http://is.gd/413c0		Oct 06 21:38
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Omar87	JPerlow, I hope your expectations turn out to be wrong.	Oct 06 21:48
Omar87	JPerlow, remember that the world has not yet fully recovered from the economical crisis yet. And I it don't it will, at least any time through the next five or six years.	Oct 06 21:49
Omar87	JPerlow, every day I can sense it all around me. This is the age of freedom now. No more corporate tyranny.	Oct 06 21:50
Omar87	schestowitz, am I right, Roy?	Oct 06 21:52
schestowitz	Sorryl, was on the phone	Oct 06 21:52
Omar87	schestowitz, no problem.	Oct 06 21:52
schestowitz	[21:27] <JPerlow> the biggest opportunity I see for Linux on the desktop is in subscriber cloud-based services and thin client desktops	Oct 06 21:52
schestowitz	It's doing fine in clients in some countries	Oct 06 21:52
trmanco	feed burner?	Oct 06 21:53
schestowitz	Microsoft loses profitability in Windows	Oct 06 21:53
trmanco	oh I see	Oct 06 21:53
schestowitz	Omar87: >>> <Omar87> JPerlow, remember that the world has not yet fully recovered from the economical crisis yet. And I it don't it will,	Oct 06 21:53
schestowitz	Yes, maybe never	Oct 06 21:53
schestowitz	Not in the West	Oct 06 21:53
Omar87	sorry	Oct 06 21:53
schestowitz	You know what they say, "the sun rises in the East"	Oct 06 21:54
Omar87	I meant: " And I don't think it will,..."	Oct 06 21:54
schestowitz	It's their turn to built an empire now	Oct 06 21:54
schestowitz	There's too much debt in the wast for the east	Oct 06 21:54
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schestowitz	And if the East is not stupid enough to fall into the scam known as "intellectual monopolu", then it'l do OK	Oct 06 21:55
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Omar87	schestowitz, I'm actually talking in general. The age of monopolies is falling slowly now as everything can be snatched from anywhere in the world regardless of what monopolists do to protect it.	Oct 06 22:06
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 06 22:08
schestowitz	Give me 2 minutes	Oct 06 22:08
schestowitz	I'll post something about it	Oct 06 22:08
Omar87	Take your time.	Oct 06 22:09
schestowitz	Omar87: Microsoft's report (2.5 weeks from now) will be as bad as the previous one.	Oct 06 22:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Has Already Cracked Microsoft's Profitability Mode http://bit.ly/4afiyC		Oct 06 22:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @picturecool Adobe Flash install page on iPhone http://bit.ly/EyFIy - #wikipedia should do this with Ogg Theora/Ogg Vorbis		Oct 06 22:14
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Omar87	schestowitz, what will be as bad as what exactly?	Oct 06 22:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Experiment with #GNU #Linux Shows Where it Beats #MacOSX and #Windows http://bit.ly/4f5j0M		Oct 06 22:15
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schestowitz	Omar87: revenue and earnings/profit	Oct 06 22:15
schestowitz	Down sharply	Oct 06 22:15
Omar87	schestowitz, oh, ok. :D	Oct 06 22:15
schestowitz	Maybe by 30%-40%	Oct 06 22:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jon " #Maddog " Hall Explains Why #GNU #Linux Needs No Launch Parties http://bit.ly/2TvSJp!?blogbox		Oct 06 22:18
Omar87	schestowitz, launch parties? Like Installation festivals?	Oct 06 22:19
schestowitz	Yes, like in JUST	Oct 06 22:19
schestowitz	No napkins with Microsoft logos on em	Oct 06 22:19
schestowitz	I reckon Microsoft gives those napkins to drooling idiots (some of them just fall asleep drooling on boredom, not drooling over Vista7)	Oct 06 22:20
Omar87	schestowitz, might be true. Except that, in a country like Jordan, where Microsloth bloat is being fed to toddlers in their milk, lots of efforts need to be made in telling people that Winblows is not the only thing in the world.	Oct 06 22:23
Omar87	schestowitz, given that tomorrow, a Microsloth festival will be held in JUST too..!	Oct 06 22:23
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Omar87	I'm thinking to giving it a quick visit, just to see how pathetic things are over there, which will make me love Free Software even more. :)	Oct 06 22:25
cubezzz	I want napkins with tux on them	Oct 06 22:25
cubezzz	whatever :)	Oct 06 22:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Old #Linux Kernels Released http://lwn.net/Articles/355472/		Oct 06 22:26
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cubezzz	I guess 2.4 stuff isn't updated?	Oct 06 22:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Akademy 2010 Coming http://bit.ly/nKtxx http://bit.ly/RoXDH		Oct 06 22:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Best Desktop Environment in the World (KDE 4.3.2) is Out http://bit.ly/sZS9g #kde		Oct 06 22:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SystemRescueCd 1.3.1 is Released, #Slackware 13 Reviewed http://bit.ly/1LYNM http://bit.ly/34lMJx		Oct 06 22:31
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schestowitz	Omar87: Microsoft makes no money i Jordan	Oct 06 22:31
schestowitz	Maybe they make some money from govt contract (collusion?), but just having staff there costs them	Oct 06 22:32
schestowitz	Microsoft relies on 'premium'	Oct 06 22:32
schestowitz	Corruptible rich countries where people would pay for Linux	Oct 06 22:32
schestowitz	Show em that they don't have it done easily	Oct 06 22:33
schestowitz	This way they'll have to throw shills at the problem like they tried in Germany	Oct 06 22:33
schestowitz	They can't afford this forever	Oct 06 22:33
schestowitz	Sooner or later they go into too big a debt	Oct 06 22:33
cubezzz	I'm sure the big M's revenue must be falling	Oct 06 22:33
schestowitz	They have for a while	Oct 06 22:34
schestowitz	Since years ago	Oct 06 22:34
Omar87	schestowitz, people over here don't understand that, Roy.	Oct 06 22:34
schestowitz	What not?	Oct 06 22:34
schestowitz	That Microsoft is heading down cause of SaaS?	Oct 06 22:34
schestowitz	ChromeOS will reach many people cause of the brand and channels	Oct 06 22:35
schestowitz	They don't need WIndows much anymore	Oct 06 22:35
Omar87	schestowitz, people here just know two things: "No company other than Microsoft, No OS other than Windows".	Oct 06 22:35
schestowitz	It's not a profitable market for desktops	Oct 06 22:35
Omar87	schestowitz, It never was.	Oct 06 22:36
schestowitz	But the demise of Windows in Jordan will come when Microsoft can't keep upm elsewhere	Oct 06 22:36
schestowitz	It'll be like Apple in the 90s	Oct 06 22:36
schestowitz	Which almost died	Oct 06 22:36
Omar87	schestowitz, It's basically a matter of "Mass hypnosis".	Oct 06 22:36
cubezzz	one of the things I wonder about is are the younger ones using Microsoft alternatives, or is it still a strangle-hold on the youth	Oct 06 22:37
cubezzz	what are the colleges using?	Oct 06 22:37
Omar87	schestowitz, when Microsoft comes to JUST, for example, and lies and lies and lies about funding the University and adopting graduating students and supporting education.. blah blah blah..	Oct 06 22:38
Omar87	schestowitz, the people will just start drooling that uncle Bill Gates will turn their place into a paradise, and will quickly shake hands with him.	Oct 06 22:39
cubezzz	:-P	Oct 06 22:40
Omar87	schestowitz, this way have not only controlled the entire IT market, they have also gained full control of how people think.	Oct 06 22:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @kolchak Hackers have exposed a slew of hotmail account passwords, which could be potentially damaging to all of us six years ago.		Oct 06 22:41
Omar87	schestowitz, the result will be people how believe that and Operating System is Windows, and not the other way around.	Oct 06 22:41
Omar87	an* Operating System	Oct 06 22:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Documentation Moves to #CreativeCommons http://lwn.net/Articles/355546/		Oct 06 22:42
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cubezzz	there was this one video on CNN where the U.S. senators were fawning all over Gates, basically asking him "What should we do to help education?"	Oct 06 22:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] (GNU/)Linux Mint No Trailer to Windows and Mac OS X http://bit.ly/rT8Hy		Oct 06 22:44
Omar87	However, thanks to the efforts for Linux community here, things are slowing beginning to change.	Oct 06 22:44
Omar87	the efforts of the Linux community..	Oct 06 22:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glimpse at #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux on Sub-sub-notebooks http://bit.ly/s8uZQ		Oct 06 22:46
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSFE Tells #EuropeanCommission to End #Microsoft 's #Racketeering Tactics http://bit.ly/2Nuy3E #RICO		Oct 06 22:48
JPerlow	http://www.frugaltechshow.com/stallman	Oct 06 22:53
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LondonStockExchange a Future Success Story for #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/2sHuWK		Oct 06 22:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman to Pitch #FreeSoftware in #Malaysia, Does #NZ First http://bit.ly/5YTkh/2009/10/6/technology/20091006153049&sec=techno ...		Oct 06 23:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox 3.6 is Near http://bit.ly/wuE1M		Oct 06 23:01
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trmanco	I might go beta	Oct 06 23:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apache Software Foundation Co-Founder Speaks About ApacheCon, Background http://bit.ly/3vTAtY		Oct 06 23:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top Universities Choose #FreeSoftware Paradigm for New #Robot OS http://bit.ly/4AzjBd		Oct 06 23:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GPL Violation Claimed at #SAPO (Portugal) http://bit.ly/4wPF00		Oct 06 23:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #France (World/European Leader in #FreeSoftware ) Brings Libre Element to #Schools http://bit.ly/lOWL4		Oct 06 23:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Free/Open Source #Lucene 2.9 http://bit.ly/UmtYS		Oct 06 23:11
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Diablo-D3	of cheese	Oct 06 23:12
Diablo-D3	the power of cheese	Oct 06 23:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Major Grant Given to The Humanitarian FOSS Project http://bit.ly/xDxJb		Oct 06 23:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Everyblock Released #FreeSoftware Just Before Selling out to #Microosft http://bit.ly/NAYLc		Oct 06 23:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Success Story for Free/Open Source Software in Large Chain http://bit.ly/12JlOI		Oct 06 23:18
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/TEUE0 far too much fun. I think it's the screams and blood..		Oct 06 23:19
trmanco	"What I've always wanted to know: Way back then, did Keithp have hair?" \|\| "Yes, but it was lost during debugging :-) " LOOL	Oct 06 23:19
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trmanco	corbet posted it on reddit, so...	Oct 06 23:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Programming with Meld: Case Study (Ish) http://bit.ly/SOpyI		Oct 06 23:24
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Gives the #Environment the Finger (Not a #Green Apple) http://bit.ly/OvPBo		Oct 06 23:25
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] KDE - KDE 4.3.2 Release Announcement http://post.ly/7XE1		Oct 06 23:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Allowing People to Access Public Material Now Seen as Criminal http://bit.ly/4kbJZ3		Oct 06 23:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Targets More Developers for Its #Linux -Based Platforms http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/10/05/palm.spurs.open.source.apps ...		Oct 06 23:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Poised to Replace #Symbian and Wins Over #Verizon http://bit.ly/4eVf96		Oct 06 23:41
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schestowitz	[22:39] <Omar87> schestowitz, the people will just start drooling that uncle Bill Gates will turn their place into a paradise, and will quickly shake hands with him.	Oct 06 23:44
schestowitz	Yes, he bought a lot of PR	Oct 06 23:44
schestowitz	After committing those crimes and being loathed he spent a lot of effort and money buying an image	Oct 06 23:45
schestowitz	And politicians hang around money, like sheep and grass	Oct 06 23:45
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Omar87	PR?	Oct 06 23:49
schestowitz	Propaganda	Oct 06 23:56
schestowitz	Renamed "public relations" after ww2	Oct 06 23:56

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