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schestowitzhttp://www.junauza.com/2009/10/geeky-way-to-put-your-baby-to-sleep.htmlOct 10 00:01
phIRCeTitle: Geeky Way of Putting Your Baby To Sleep | TECH SOURCE FROM BOHOL .::. Size~: 91.84 KBOct 10 00:01
schestowitzMiguel gets pwned a lot todayOct 10 00:02
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/content/view/28373/1090/Oct 10 00:02
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4983Oct 10 00:02
schestowitzWho really has the most Linux users? http://blogs.computerworld.com/14884/who_really_has_the_most_linux_users Novell and Red Hat bickeringOct 10 00:04
phIRCeTitle: Who really has the most Linux users? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 133.63 KBOct 10 00:04
_Hicham_hi schestowitzOct 10 00:07
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_Hicham_I do have the most linux users of my osOct 10 00:07
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-09-021-35-MM-RL-0000Oct 10 00:08
phIRCeTitle: Linux Today - Hulu Labs Cooks Up Linux Support For Hulu Desktop, New Publisher Tools .::. Size~: 74.89 KBOct 10 00:08
ender2070i hate de icazaOct 10 00:09
schestowitz_Hicham_: Obama said "hi", He left just b3 you came ;-pOct 10 00:09
schestowitzender2070: Miguel loves everyoneOct 10 00:09
schestowitz""I want to say that God loves all creatures. From the formidable elephant to the tiniest ant. "Oct 10 00:09
ender2070hes like "they call me a microsoft apologist, and i resent that, I just have to say they make pretty fine software"Oct 10 00:09
ender2070not in those exact wordsOct 10 00:10
ender2070but thats what he gives offOct 10 00:10
schestowitzender2070: not SO fine apparently. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28359/1141/Oct 10 00:10
schestowitzNovell should be open CCCCCCCCOOOR. http://www.jejik.com/articles/2009/10/open_core_the_worst_of_both_worlds/Oct 10 00:11
phIRCeTitle: Open Core: The worst of both worlds - Lone Wolves - Web, game, and open source development .::. Size~: 34.17 KBOct 10 00:11
ender2070lolOct 10 00:12
ender2070like appleOct 10 00:12
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ender2070"I dislike DRM as much as the next person, on the other hand, it has allowed me to pay 15 USD a month and get all-you-can-get Music, so I have mixed feelings about this.Oct 10 00:13
_Hicham_schestowitz : Hussein Obama is greatOct 10 00:13
ender2070i dunno about everyone else, but in Canada this costs $0Oct 10 00:13
ender2070without drmOct 10 00:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows 7 party loot up for sale already? http://tinyurl.com/yjstm85 #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #win7Oct 10 00:15
phIRCeTitle: Win7 party loot up for sale already? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 31.79 KBOct 10 00:15
_Hicham_schestowitz : deamon didn't come for daysOct 10 00:17
tessierAh. That's why it has been unusually tranquil in here.Oct 10 00:17
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voltronw_ender2070: you "hate" him?Oct 10 00:18
_Hicham_here is itOct 10 00:19
schestowitz_Hicham_: he was here todayOct 10 00:24
schestowitzhe's OKOct 10 00:24
schestowitzNo seizures for nowOct 10 00:24
schestowitzJust a cystOct 10 00:24
schestowitzDoes anyone know a theme selector for visitors in WordPress. I can't find any in the plugins libraryOct 10 00:26
schestowitzSome people claim the fonts are too smallOct 10 00:26
schestowitzI'll ask in #wordpressOct 10 00:27
DaemonFCno seizures but I may die of boredom if t hey don't hurry up and ship that computerOct 10 00:29
DaemonFCI'm stuck with this basic crappy laptop til they get it hereOct 10 00:29
ender2070no not really "hate"Oct 10 00:30
ender2070just think hes an idiotOct 10 00:30
DaemonFCmy laptop is getting too old to even try to useOct 10 00:31
voltronw_an idiot?Oct 10 00:31
DaemonFCI had to blow the dust off it cause my good system diedOct 10 00:31
ender2070yeahOct 10 00:31
schestowitzNovell's RadeonHD has slowed down. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU5NAOct 10 00:33
phIRCeTitle: [Phoronix] What's Up With RadeonHD & Nouveau? .::. Size~: 18.5 KBOct 10 00:34
schestowitzCarefull, ender2070Oct 10 00:35
schestowitzWe have some c# folks here.Oct 10 00:35
schestowitz*carefulOct 10 00:35
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schestowitzamarsh04: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=760672&goto=newpostOct 10 00:39
phIRCeTitle:  NSW Police recommend against windows for net banking - LinuxQuestions.org .::. Size~: 44.4 KBOct 10 00:39
trmancoI have to goOct 10 00:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.benchmark.com/news/sv/2009/09_29_2009.phpOct 10 00:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Vista booting quicker than Windows 7? http://tinyurl.com/yf4y7g4 #microsoft #windows #vista #win7 #windows7 #xp #apple #linuxOct 10 00:47
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schestowitzdaemonisation with "Religion again: http://jamesdixon.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/misunderstanding-open-source-3-applying-free-software-religion-to-open-source-business-models/Oct 10 00:53
schestowitz"The participants in the Free Software movement see things differently. They have a purist viewpoint of  intellectual property rights, and apply their viewpoint religiously. Free Software advocates want a future where intellectual property and intellectual property laws are a thing of the past."Oct 10 00:53
schestowitz"Religion"?Oct 10 00:53
_goblinHi Roy....I love those statements...it certainly doesn't apply to me.....Oct 10 00:54
_goblin" Free Software advocates want a future where intellectual property and intellectual property laws are a thing of the past." - No I don't.Oct 10 00:54
_goblinI think there is a place for bothOct 10 00:54
_goblinas long as greed and foul play stay out of the equation.Oct 10 00:55
schestowitzHmmmmm......Oct 10 00:59
schestowitzOSS Watch is quite hostile t/w OSS.... http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/2009/10/02/strong-leadership-and-openness-software-sustainability/Oct 10 00:59
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schestowitz_goblin: there is no "intellectual property "Oct 10 00:59
schestowitzThere are patentsOct 10 00:59
schestowitzAnd there should be none applies to softwareOct 10 00:59
schestowitzIt's a barrier to progressOct 10 01:00
schestowitz*AppliedOct 10 01:00
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*Diablo-D3 posted on gwibberOct 10 01:07
_goblinsorry having a cig there for a min...Oct 10 01:09
_goblinagreed Roy....Patents I would regard as foul play.Oct 10 01:09
Diablo-D3wow that bot lagsOct 10 01:09
schestowitz_goblin: don't confuse it with copyrightsOct 10 01:11
schestowitzGPL loves copyright in a wayOct 10 01:11
schestowitzThat's the GPL's "teeth"Oct 10 01:11
schestowitzBut it's a copyleft licenceOct 10 01:11
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Nvidia is going under soon http://ur1.ca/dadiOct 10 01:11
schestowitzDiablo-D3: I can change the check cycleOct 10 01:12
schestowitzhttp://www.ingres.com/products/ingres-database-9-3.phpOct 10 01:13
Diablo-D3naw, just wanted to see how long it tookOct 10 01:13
schestowitzWhat do they use?Oct 10 01:13
schestowitzDiablo-D3: 5 minsOct 10 01:13
Diablo-D3schestowitz: ingres is the father of sybase, mssql, nonstop, and pg is a rewrite oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof itOct 10 01:14
Diablo-D3goddamn keyboard!Oct 10 01:14
Diablo-D3its also gpl'edOct 10 01:14
schestowitz# Check we are in the right channels every 10 minutesOct 10 01:14
schestowitzadd_repeat_timer(600, sub { my ($timer, $self) = @_; join_channels($self); });Oct 10 01:14
schestowitzModifiedOct 10 01:15
Diablo-D3why you asking about ingres?Oct 10 01:16
schestowitzCause of some conversation from 2 years agoOct 10 01:19
schestowitzIn a private mailing list, matt lee (fsf) asked some ingres person (iirc) about the whole "open source" fakeryOct 10 01:19
Diablo-D3ahhOct 10 01:19
Diablo-D3schestowitz: it doesnt really matter howeverOct 10 01:19
Diablo-D3no one uses ingresOct 10 01:19
_goblinschestowitz: I dont confuse it.  For me (in general now) I believe software freedom (or indeed creative freedom) should extend to the developer as much as the end user.  If company A want's to release closed source material then fine....Ive had a similar debate before of the merits of proprietary in regards to certain areas of computing/entertainment.Oct 10 01:20
schestowitzSome do, not manyOct 10 01:20
Diablo-D3all the ingres users have either moved to mssql (because they're idiots), pg (because they're awesome and pg is the best db ever), or nonstop (really old legacy systems or legacy software on new systems)Oct 10 01:21
Diablo-D3schestowitz: taking all the dbs in the worldOct 10 01:21
Diablo-D3AAALLLLLLLLL the dbs in the worldOct 10 01:21
Diablo-D3even the ones that back wordpress installations no one readsOct 10 01:21
Diablo-D3mysql, pg, and oracle dominate pretty much 99% of itOct 10 01:22
schestowitz"Just a quick post to say I'm not dead. But my Internet uplink is. Well... seems like my ISP (Belgacom/Skynet) is having a major, global tits up, and I have no idea when they'll manage to fix it."Oct 10 01:22
schestowitzhttp://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2009/10/no-internets.htmlOct 10 01:22
schestowitzI'd dread the thought of this ever happening to me :-)Oct 10 01:22
schestowitzDiablo-D3: Web DBs don't get countedOct 10 01:23
schestowitzNot by Frosted Sullivan [sic] and Gangster GroupOct 10 01:23
schestowitzThey deliberately count the wrong thingsOct 10 01:23
schestowitzAnd claim mysql market share is 1.5%Oct 10 01:24
schestowitzOr something like thatOct 10 01:24
schestowitzSure, just ignore like 100 million sites/blogsOct 10 01:24
Diablo-D3schestowitz: yeeaahhhh, I dont really care what they sayOct 10 01:24
Diablo-D3a db that isn't heavily used cant be trustedOct 10 01:25
Diablo-D3a db that isnt open source cant be trustedOct 10 01:25
Diablo-D3and mysql cant be trustedOct 10 01:25
Diablo-D3so this leaves pg as the only db worth usingOct 10 01:25
Diablo-D3did I mention I like pg? :DOct 10 01:26
schestowitzmysql works well for meOct 10 01:27
schestowitzIt only failed on me onceOct 10 01:27
schestowitzDue to server crash at bad time with high loadOct 10 01:27
Diablo-D3I don't trust it for heavy duty tasksOct 10 01:27
Diablo-D3schestowitz: yeah, see?Oct 10 01:27
schestowitzIt could be recovered by the adminOct 10 01:27
Diablo-D3there should never be times when that can happenOct 10 01:27
Diablo-D3mysql isnt even acid compliantOct 10 01:27
schestowitzNo need to restore from backup. One occurrence in 5 years of many DC instancesOct 10 01:27
Diablo-D3thats one too manyOct 10 01:28
schestowitzDependsOct 10 01:28
schestowitz15 DBs, 5 years, one fixable failureOct 10 01:28
schestowitzoiaohm was here advising me on itOct 10 01:29
schestowitzI was going to overwrite the crashed DBOct 10 01:29
schestowitzBut the admin could go around to bringing it back upOct 10 01:29
schestowitzThat was around FebruaryOct 10 01:29
schestowitzAnnoying ordealOct 10 01:29
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091008/0147196457.shtml Yet Another Redlight Camera Program Found To Be IllegalOct 10 01:32
schestowitzIs It Time To Start Blocking Firefox Users? < http://www.connectedinternet.co.uk/2009/10/07/is-it-time-to-start-blocking-firefox-users/ ?Oct 10 01:33
schestowitz^Another greedy marketing jerklOct 10 01:33
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/07/rhino-horn-poaching-south-africa Trade in rhino horn fuels massive poaching surge in South AfricaOct 10 01:35
schestowitzRMS: "IMF policies in 31 countries  exacerbated the economic downturn." http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/imf-2009-10.pdfOct 10 01:36
schestowitzhttp://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1254573431139&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout#Oct 10 01:37
cubezzzlol, that url made konqueror crap outOct 10 01:39
schestowitzcubezzz: sorry.Oct 10 01:39
schestowitzHans Blix: It's not just about Iran < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/oct/07/iran-nuclear-weapons-wmd-enrichment >Oct 10 01:39
schestowitzhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6713080Oct 10 01:40
cubezzzI'll try elinks just for funOct 10 01:40
cubezzzwow, that workedOct 10 01:41
schestowitzWe need really free phones, still.Oct 10 01:42
cubezzzok, so he's really against ad blocking in general, not firefox in particularOct 10 01:42
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/products/68237.html?wlc=1255135275Oct 10 01:42
schestowitzAndroid is like iPhone done with LinuxOct 10 01:42
schestowitzHow many patches goes Google give back to FOSS?Oct 10 01:42
schestowitzcubezzz: so why block FF?Oct 10 01:43
cubezzzthere's no reasonOct 10 01:43
schestowitzit's like saying p2p is used a lot for illegal purposes, so all of it should be blockedOct 10 01:43
cubezzzeven the author of that article agrees it's a bad ideaOct 10 01:43
schestowitzknives are used for manslaughter, so lets ban kitchen knifeOct 10 01:44
cubezzzhe just wanted a title which would capture people's attention :)Oct 10 01:44
schestowitzCut carrots with spoons.Oct 10 01:44
schestowitzPeople who block ads don't click them anywayOct 10 01:44
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-10-001-35-MMOct 10 01:46
schestowitzCarla lives in the countryside. Looks fun.Oct 10 01:46
schestowitzgnOct 10 01:47
cubezzzdoing the elinks thing on the zaurus for text weather reportsOct 10 01:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] there needs to be a super hero (or maybe Ubuntu release) called Super SphincterOct 10 01:52
cubezzzis NT 5.1 Vista?Oct 10 01:54
cubezzzah, XPOct 10 01:55
voltronw_cubezzz: nt = 4, xp = 5, vista = 6, 7 = 7Oct 10 01:55
cubezzzyeah, seems XP is still the most usedOct 10 01:56
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yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/27/vista-7-least-secure-os/Oct 10 03:02
yuhong"“Microsoft in windows 7 is now forced to virtualise XP. So all the viruses of XP will remain around.”"Oct 10 03:03
yuhongJailed onto a VM.Oct 10 03:03
yuhongJailed into a VM.Oct 10 03:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A fun challenge for all podcasters - Record or broadcast an entire episode without ever using the word "cool".Oct 10 03:33
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DaemonFCdead in hereOct 10 04:10
Omar87Hi all.Oct 10 04:12
DaemonFCOmar87, good eveningOct 10 04:17
Omar87DaemonFC, it's early morning here. :)Oct 10 04:17
DaemonFCactually, it's 11:17 PM hereOct 10 04:18
DaemonFC:POct 10 04:18
DaemonFCso I'm quite exhaustedOct 10 04:18
DaemonFCI set up my laptop as a sort of "mobile command center" so I don't go stir crazy while I wait for my new badass desktopOct 10 04:18
Omar87Cool!Oct 10 04:19
DaemonFChad to clean the dust off itOct 10 04:19
DaemonFC5 years old, only worked "OK" with XPOct 10 04:19
DaemonFCbarely worked at all with VistaOct 10 04:19
DaemonFCthe GPU chipset never worked with Linux til now, I installed Ubuntu Karmic from a daily imageOct 10 04:20
DaemonFCI have Compiz nowOct 10 04:20
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DaemonFCKarmic is using about half as much RAM as XPOct 10 04:20
Omar87You mean less the XP?Oct 10 04:20
DaemonFCseems like some bloat was worked out of GNOME since I tried it on here last timeOct 10 04:21
DaemonFCyeahOct 10 04:21
DaemonFClast time it actually used more RAM than XP and I had no GPU accelerationOct 10 04:21
Omar87DaemonFC, I must say, Ubuntu has a loooooong way with this upcoming new release.Oct 10 04:21
Omar87It's insanely amazing!Oct 10 04:22
DaemonFCyeah, I moved my laptop over from XPOct 10 04:22
Omar87has *gone* a loooong way..Oct 10 04:22
DaemonFCI've never really liked XP, it's main selling point was not being 98 when it was first out and not being Vista after 2006Oct 10 04:22
Omar87I just can't wait to see how Vista 7 is going to do. This stupid KDE-clone is just being over over over exaggerated, imho.Oct 10 04:24
DaemonFCOmar87, the new system has a free Windows 7 upgrade coupon thingOct 10 04:24
DaemonFCI'm only going to use it because of the obvious compatibility with other Windows stuff/usersOct 10 04:25
DaemonFCI'm not enthusiastic about itOct 10 04:25
Omar87DaemonFC, I know. That's their strategy to compete with Linux.Oct 10 04:25
DaemonFCit's what I call the Microsoft Bear HugOct 10 04:25
Omar87Last monday there was this Microsoft event, when one of them Microsoft puppets came and start sprouting lies after lies about how Vista 7 being built according the "feedback" they received over the past couple of years.Oct 10 04:27
Omar87started*Oct 10 04:28
DaemonFCOmar87, I was enthusiastic about Microsoft stuff at one pointOct 10 04:28
DaemonFCthat faded and withered and finally died with VistaOct 10 04:28
Omar87DaemonFC, everybody was, at some certain level.Oct 10 04:28
Omar87DaemonFC, I can explain this enthusiasm is because at some, certain point ppl never knew anything other than MS.Oct 10 04:30
DaemonFCI never can seem to get away from Windows totallyOct 10 04:30
DaemonFCI try to spend less time in itOct 10 04:30
Omar87I don't know, but it seemed as easy as totally removing Windows from my machine and never installing it again. :)Oct 10 04:32
DaemonFCOmar87, I ignored it for a few years totallyOct 10 04:33
DaemonFCthen I got a new system and it could play newer games that Wine couldn't and so I got Vista for it :POct 10 04:33
Omar87Vista? For games? :DOct 10 04:34
DaemonFCyeahOct 10 04:34
Omar87lol! :)Oct 10 04:34
DaemonFCVista isn't so much of a drag on mega powerful systemsOct 10 04:34
DaemonFCit murders lower end ones thoughOct 10 04:34
DaemonFCeven mid gradeOct 10 04:34
Omar87That's right.Oct 10 04:34
Omar87Nothing can stand in the way of a new mega powerful system.Oct 10 04:35
DaemonFCOmar87, It's like saying that putting 20% more weight in a car with an engine that's three times as powerful isn't going to be noticeableOct 10 04:35
Omar87It's just that lots of resources will be wasted in a non-economical way.Oct 10 04:35
DaemonFCbut it may well kill a 4 cylinderOct 10 04:35
Omar87That's true.Oct 10 04:36
DaemonFCwell, the bigger, faster, more powerful upgrade cycle is why nobody notices Windows getting slowerOct 10 04:36
Omar87agreed.Oct 10 04:36
DaemonFCthe new generation of hardware isn't made to be efficient, it's meant to be like a new muscle carOct 10 04:36
DaemonFCUbuntu runs fine on this 5 year old budget laptopOct 10 04:37
Omar87That's the typical Microsoft strategy of how to delude people into believing Winblows is becoming better, while actually it's become worse.Oct 10 04:37
DaemonFCif Microsoft did this, nobody would buy more powerful hardware and they'd lose their OEM hardware partnersOct 10 04:37
DaemonFCthey keep the hardware guys happy, the hardware guys make Microsoft happyOct 10 04:38
DaemonFCthe customer shells out $1,000 every 3-4 yearsOct 10 04:38
Omar87I agree.Oct 10 04:38
Omar87Yup.Oct 10 04:38
DaemonFCthey trickle out new hardware in a slow steady cycleOct 10 04:39
Omar87That's why I hate the corporate approach.Oct 10 04:39
DaemonFCnever stopsOct 10 04:39
DaemonFCit's a treadmill that wayOct 10 04:39
Omar87exactly.Oct 10 04:39
DaemonFCyou're always falling further behind if you don't buy new upgrades every monthOct 10 04:39
Omar87Yes.Oct 10 04:39
DaemonFCit's evilOct 10 04:40
DaemonFCI'm not saying I'd never buy a new faster system otherwise, but they have what should be a 6 year cycle down to a 3 year cycleOct 10 04:40
DaemonFCand companies like Dell/HP/Acer make the systems crippled so you need to throw the whole box awayOct 10 04:41
DaemonFCsome systems you can't even upgrade your GPU cause the case is so crammed togetherOct 10 04:41
Omar87Will, you can say it's a weapon with to ends. But unfortunately, the evil end is the one used by most corporations.Oct 10 04:41
Omar87That's correct.Oct 10 04:42
DaemonFCthey also work to make software less efficient on purposeOct 10 04:42
DaemonFCthat way it takes a faster system than it shouldOct 10 04:43
Omar87So, basically that's why I just love Linux. You just won't need to upgrade you hardware every three years or so.Oct 10 04:43
DaemonFCthey get you on both endsOct 10 04:43
Omar87Exactly.Oct 10 04:43
Omar87I wish people would just realize this conspiracy. :)Oct 10 04:44
Omar87That's why I hate MS and I hate their social events.Oct 10 04:44
DaemonFCwell, video games are not getting "better" enough to compensate for the kind of hardware they take to run vs several years agoOct 10 04:44
DaemonFCthat's the most obviousOct 10 04:44
Omar87agreed.Oct 10 04:45
DaemonFCthey talk a lot about better AI, better physics, better graphicsOct 10 04:45
DaemonFCbut every 10% those improve, they need 50% more system powerOct 10 04:45
Omar87true.Oct 10 04:46
DaemonFCit's one of the reasons PC gaming is dying, especially in bad economic timesOct 10 04:46
DaemonFCa console is a 5 year cycle and is guaranteed to run all the games out for itOct 10 04:47
Omar87I hate it when show you some feature as though it's originally made by them, while it's been on KDE for years now!Oct 10 04:47
DaemonFCI don't like the fake press releasesOct 10 04:47
DaemonFClike the "128-bit Windows 8" rumor they leakedOct 10 04:48
Omar87128-bit CPU. :)Oct 10 04:48
DaemonFCwon't happen by 2012Oct 10 04:48
DaemonFCthey also leaked a rumor that Windows 8 would be out in 2012Oct 10 04:48
DaemonFCI don't see an X86-128 migration any time soonOct 10 04:49
DaemonFCmost Windows software is still 32-bit X86Oct 10 04:49
Omar87See? Even if it was true. it would only mean: "Well, the upcoming Windows will not run on any of your machines so prepare a huge bunch of loot to be able to buy the new system, along with a whole new 128-bit CPU computer."Oct 10 04:50
DaemonFCyeah, they wouldn't do thatOct 10 04:50
DaemonFCtheir scheme falls apart if they majorly piss everyone off all at onceOct 10 04:51
Omar87That's why Linux is the OS of the future now. It doesn't lie to it's users.Oct 10 04:51
DaemonFCyeah, Windows pisses me off in many waysOct 10 04:51
DaemonFCit's an abusive relationship that you have a hard time getting out ofOct 10 04:52
Omar87Exactly, I totally agree.Oct 10 04:52
DaemonFCmost sexually transmitted diseases are easier to get rid ofOct 10 04:53
DaemonFCheheOct 10 04:53
Omar87lol! :)Oct 10 04:53
*Omar87 has got to run.Oct 10 04:55
*Omar87 see y'all again soon.Oct 10 04:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] starting to mumbai by afternoon with @j4v4m4n to attend #fosscomm meetingOct 10 06:21
DaemonFCthe tylenol just kicked inOct 10 06:28
DaemonFCI may want to get to bed while the getting is goodOct 10 06:28
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ziggyfishhttp://mcpmag.com/blogs/certifiable/2009/10/ms-legal-eagles.aspx interestingOct 10 07:41
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/09/cern_physicist_arrested/ "An atomic physicist who worked at the European Organization for Nuclear Research for six years has been arrested on suspicion he had links to an Al Qaeda affiliate in North Africa."Oct 10 08:19
schestowitzziggyfish: thanksOct 10 08:19
schestowitzI didn't notice that oneOct 10 08:19
schestowitzI'll post links shortlyOct 10 08:20
ziggyfishschestowitz, No problemOct 10 08:24
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558038/microsoft-scraps-worksOct 10 08:24
ziggyfishThey must be runnuing out of software to scrapOct 10 08:25
schestowitzhttp://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/stallman-slams-microsoft-s-codeplex-foundation-2034 "A Microsoft spokesman told eWEEK Europe that it would comment on statements by Richard Stallman or the Free Software Foundation in general."Oct 10 08:27
schestowitzThey probably meant "would NOT"Oct 10 08:27
cubezzzyeah, that's what I was thinkingOct 10 08:31
ziggyfishbrbOct 10 08:32
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cubezzzStallman thinks aheadOct 10 08:33
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cubezzzI'm pretty much on my guard on anything to do with MicrosoftOct 10 08:35
cubezzzit's an automatic thing nowOct 10 08:35
cubezzzStallman has another advantage too, he was never part of the windows worldOct 10 08:37
cubezzzhe predates it, and has excellent operating system knowledge from an earlier computer eraOct 10 08:38
schestowitzhttp://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/442-install-the-kde-432-on-ubuntu-904Oct 10 08:45
schestowitzWhy Aren't Mozilla and Opera Vocal About Microsoft's EU Settlement Offer? http://ostatic.com/blog/why-arent-mozilla-and-opera-vocal-about-microsofts-eu-settlement-offerOct 10 08:47
schestowitzNew kde4 theme: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/10/small-post-for-not-so-small-screenshot.htmlOct 10 08:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Banking from the Desktop? Use #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/aaQYQ http://bit.ly/MkBBdOct 10 09:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sony Vaio Laptops to Comes with #Linux Preinstalled (on Board) http://bit.ly/1E2y2zOct 10 09:21
cubezzzthinking about getting one of these:Oct 10 09:23
cubezzzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/PlatHome-OpenBlockS-600/Oct 10 09:23
schestowitzIt's overratedOct 10 09:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mainframes with #GNU #Linux Still Commonplace, Windows Dying in Large Computers http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20091012/market07 ...Oct 10 09:24
cubezzzhmmmOct 10 09:25
cubezzza little pricey tooOct 10 09:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cloudera #GNU #Linux Distribution Hits the Desktop http://bit.ly/dHsY5Oct 10 09:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Version of #Wine Released, Better #Windows Compatibility Than #Vista7 ? http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.31Oct 10 09:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco Prizes and #KDE Prizes Handed Out http://bit.ly/dYqLu http://bit.ly/LGLKVOct 10 09:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #XServer 1.8.0 Release Scheduled, xf86-video-radeonhd 1.3.0 is Out http://bit.ly/YqXuZ http://bit.ly/l2CXY #linuxOct 10 09:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Gets New Theme, More 3-D Effects http://bit.ly/gn0ak http://bit.ly/GkbNn http://bit.ly/jBqPcOct 10 09:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Decided to get a free .tk (why not) my thoughts are now also at www.openbytes.tkOct 10 09:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Improves Partitioning and 2010 Version Comes Soon http://bit.ly/GEIhV http://bit.ly/36kXcdOct 10 09:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Gets New Community Council http://bit.ly/zNj72Oct 10 10:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Speaks About New #GNU #Linux Offerings http://bit.ly/wSx9p http://bit.ly/15BDR9Oct 10 10:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I signed the "Mahmoud Abbas Resignation" petition! http://petol.org/noabbas #petolOct 10 10:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Visual Glimpse at #Ubuntu GNU/Linux 9.10 http://bit.ly/Mz6Bd http://bit.ly/5hdP8 http://bit.ly/jqkt3Oct 10 10:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Early Reports from #Ubuntu GNU/Linux 9.10 (Beta) http://bit.ly/3q7hQz http://ryanorser.com/wordpress/?p=960Oct 10 10:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based #Nokia #N900 Accumulates Feedback, Keeps Stack Open http://bit.ly/zSlv7 http://bit.ly/3sOxBU http://bit.ly/135uYLOct 10 10:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Interview with #Bazaar 's Martin Pool Covers the New Release http://bit.ly/1cHj06Oct 10 10:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice.org Makes New Builds Available, Adds Search Toolbar http://bit.ly/4n5AYj http://bit.ly/44f9Vd http://bit.ly/10LZyfOct 10 10:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Changes Revenue Modes, Increases Innovation http://www.adventuresinoss.com/?p=1141 http://bit.ly/1vclWnOct 10 10:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman Says It Like it is http://bit.ly/4bYD1m http://www.daniweb.com/news/story228904.htmlOct 10 10:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #nuBuilder Chooses the #GPLv3 http://www.nubuilder.com/nubuilderwww/Oct 10 10:37
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fewacubezzz, yes too pricyOct 10 10:45
fewalook at openRDOct 10 10:45
fewahttp://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-24-openrd-client-openrd-client-board-with-enclosure.aspxOct 10 10:46
fewaeven has eSATAOct 10 10:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Children in the UK Brainwash by Intellectual Monopolies Thuggery http://bit.ly/bvyU1Oct 10 10:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Illegalise Photography http://bit.ly/6T0Br http://bit.ly/qEZZKOct 10 10:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple's Love of #swpat Harms the Web, #DVDJon Takes on #Apple http://bit.ly/8xz5k http://bit.ly/FaB2sOct 10 10:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Sarkozy instigates mass #copyright infringement of DVD http://ur1.ca/d8rp three strikes you out?Oct 10 10:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Occupies Yet Another eReader, Microsoft Gives Up http://bit.ly/7qiqg http://bit.ly/ChdmXOct 10 11:03
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phIRCeTitle: Ballmer: Microsoft has no plans for Kindle-like electronic reader .::. Size~: 50.17 KBOct 10 11:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Scammed Over Vista Launch 'Parties' http://bit.ly/Bcha4Oct 10 11:04
phIRCeTitle: Windows 7 party loot up for sale already? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 34.03 KBOct 10 11:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -- While Borrowing Money -- Fires Its #Lawyers http://bit.ly/YhEgk http://bit.ly/qgswZOct 10 11:06
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Legal Eagles Bit By Recession Bug -- Microsoft Certified Professional Magazine Online .::. Size~: 49.17 KBOct 10 11:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Makes Its Licences More Complicated on Purpose http://bit.ly/3r0rRC via @sjvnOct 10 11:09
phIRCeTitle:  Does Microsoft complicate its licensing on purpose? .::. Size~: 134.14 KBOct 10 11:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple 's iPhone Not as Successful as Artificial Hype Suggests http://techdirt.com/articles/20091008/0015106456.shtmlOct 10 11:10
phIRCeTitle: More Evidence Suggests That iPhone App Store Doesn't Really Sell That Much... | Techdirt .::. Size~: 56.83 KBOct 10 11:10
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLUGMWrd-AMOct 10 11:37
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fewamehOct 10 11:44
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schestowitzL00ns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8L-tgpbluQ&feature=relatedOct 10 12:13
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schestowitzI've just watched the whole thing. Why is the BBC feeding them?Oct 10 12:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Ubuntu #Cola! :P http://bit.ly/Dg2BsOct 10 12:13
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schestowitzKille CokeOct 10 12:14
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schestowitzFor some reason it's linked to some LSD material. It figures. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzq_sBsjbAU&feature=relatedOct 10 12:24
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schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10372359-245.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20Oct 10 12:29
phIRCeTitle: Adobe exploit puts backdoor on computers | InSecurity Complex - CNET News .::. Size~: 98.2 KBOct 10 12:29
schestowitzWeirdOct 10 12:31
schestowitzI had to restart apacheOct 10 12:31
schestowitztessier: apache was not serving for maybe about 15 minutes (or more), running "apachectl restart" solved itOct 10 12:32
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trmancostill on apache 1.3?Oct 10 12:56
trmancolet me head^ youOct 10 12:56
trmancomeh forget it.Oct 10 12:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The #OOXML misery: A quick flashback at how #Microsoft stabbed #Freedom in the back.Oct 10 13:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The #OOXML misery: A quick flashback at how #Microsoft stabbed #Freedom in the back. http://bit.ly/2ybgECOct 10 13:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The #OOXML misery: A quick flashback at how #Microsoft stabbed #Freedom in the back. http://bit.ly/2ybgECOct 10 13:14
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DaemonFCschestowitz, http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6/dscf0466.jpgOct 10 14:04
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DaemonFChttp://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1927/dscf0469.jpgOct 10 14:05
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 14:05
DaemonFCright arm and left arm as of day 12 (yesterday)Oct 10 14:05
schestowitzOuchOct 10 14:05
schestowitzSorry to hear itOct 10 14:05
schestowitzHave there been no incidents since those two?Oct 10 14:06
DaemonFCmeh, just a long recoveryOct 10 14:06
schestowitzSo statistically, it's possible that it won't happen againOct 10 14:06
schestowitzMaybe something that passedOct 10 14:06
schestowitzHow far apart were the two?Oct 10 14:06
DaemonFCunable to move pretty much for 2 days after, had to have help to turn in bed, had to use a pitcher to take a leakOct 10 14:06
DaemonFClots of pain, was taking darvocets, aleve, and icy hot for about a week and that was just dulling itOct 10 14:07
DaemonFCfelt woozy for about 10 daysOct 10 14:07
DaemonFCslept a lot for the first weekOct 10 14:07
DaemonFCstill some pain, but tylenol and icy hot cover it for the most part now, no narcotics in about 4 daysOct 10 14:08
DaemonFCschestowitz, about an hour and a halfOct 10 14:08
schestowitzAh.Oct 10 14:08
DaemonFCenough time to get to the ER to have the other oneOct 10 14:08
schestowitzSo it's almost like one incidentOct 10 14:08
DaemonFCwell, the day before, I was having visual disturbancesOct 10 14:08
schestowitzNerves not getting signals through?Oct 10 14:09
schestowitzDid you do drugs?Oct 10 14:09
DaemonFClike an aura before a migraine, but I've had migraines before, so I popped some excedrin migraine pills and thought nothing more of itOct 10 14:09
schestowitzAh.Oct 10 14:09
schestowitzDrugs... pillsOct 10 14:09
DaemonFCit was like kaleidoscope vision, each one would last about 20 seconds and disappearOct 10 14:09
schestowitzJoining the 'experiments' of pharmasOct 10 14:10
DaemonFCtotal thing lasted about two hoursOct 10 14:10
schestowitzThat's why I avoid all those medical narcotics... they test them on populations in poor countriesOct 10 14:10
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't care who makes themOct 10 14:10
DaemonFCI would have taken Vioxx if I had someOct 10 14:11
DaemonFCyou just really don't appreciate that kind of pain I guessOct 10 14:11
DaemonFCtrust me that if you had any kind of major surgery, accident, etc., you'd do anything to make it go away if there was enough painOct 10 14:11
DaemonFCor I suppose you may argue that a diabetic that would die without insulin is being evil by buying and using insulinOct 10 14:13
DaemonFCplenty of people can't live without a pacemaker or heart pillsOct 10 14:13
DaemonFCwhere do you stop?Oct 10 14:13
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DaemonFCschestowitz, There are drugs that have bad side effects, but people on the whole tend to be weeniesOct 10 14:15
DaemonFCit's like why they watered down birth control pills to where they don't work anymore because there was a little evidence to support a case that they may cause health problems in 0.01% of patientsOct 10 14:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It turns out that identica now has Twitter integration (ish)Oct 10 14:15
DaemonFCpeople are weeniesOct 10 14:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I might stop using ping.fm. This is made redundant by changes in identica.Oct 10 14:16
DaemonFCwhat I would like to see, really, is some REAL, demonstrable, repeatable, empirical, scientific evidence that any of this so called "alternative medicine" worksOct 10 14:17
DaemonFCcause it doesn't, and people that put their kids on vitamins and herbs and deny them real treatment are just as bad as those families who deny treatment and prayOct 10 14:17
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DaemonFCprayer is about as effective as alternative medicine, and they about tie with placeboOct 10 14:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] !identica did some very fine job adding new features that I've only just discovered.Oct 10 14:18
DaemonFCdenying real medical care in favor of either is child abuseOct 10 14:19
DaemonFCI'd support murder charges if the kid died in either caseOct 10 14:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Just finished decorating my #Blogspot blog: http://omarsflosscorner.blogspot.com/Oct 10 14:19
phIRCeTitle: Omar's FLOSS corner .::. Size~: 72.69 KBOct 10 14:19
DaemonFCit's been proven that these people are con artists, time and time again, but surfing the channels, there's at least five channels for charlatans like Benny Hinn and infomercials selling vitamins and herbsOct 10 14:20
schestowitzI heard bad stories of side effects from people whom I know onlineOct 10 14:20
DaemonFCand since there's a lot of idiot cross over, you have Christian Televangelists like Pat Robertson selling "age defying protein pancakes"Oct 10 14:21
schestowitzQuacks in suitsOct 10 14:21
Omar87schestowitz, hey.Oct 10 14:21
schestowitzHeyOct 10 14:21
schestowitzI've found a way to improve postings to identicaOct 10 14:21
schestowitzThere's also themes there nowOct 10 14:21
schestowitzSortsOct 10 14:21
schestowitz*SortaOct 10 14:21
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/schestowitzOct 10 14:21
Omar87schestowitz, check out my new blogspot layout: http://omarsflosscorner.blogspot.com/Oct 10 14:21
phIRCeTitle: Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)  - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 50.79 KBOct 10 14:21
phIRCeTitle: Omar's FLOSS corner .::. Size~: 72.69 KBOct 10 14:21
schestowitzI put a bg picOct 10 14:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: 20 years on, woman finally deciphers meaning of mix tape. http://rocknerd.co.uk/?p=621Oct 10 14:21
DaemonFCschestowitz, really, a good diet and not smoking go a long wayOct 10 14:21
DaemonFCall by themselvesOct 10 14:22
schestowitzamarsh04: nice. Better than all-blackOct 10 14:22
Omar87schestowitz, added.Oct 10 14:22
phIRCeTitle: Rocknerd  » Blog Archive   » 20 years on, woman finally deciphers meaning of mix tape. .::. Size~: 6.37 KBOct 10 14:22
schestowitzoh waitOct 10 14:22
schestowitzOmar87: the quoted text cannot be read. the fg colour is same as bgOct 10 14:22
Omar87schestowitz, really? I'll fix that right away.Oct 10 14:23
DaemonFCI've been trying to at least get my cholesterol, triglycerides, and weight downOct 10 14:23
DaemonFCjust not eating as much red meat and fried stuff has already produced resultsOct 10 14:23
schestowitzHow did you get unhealthy at your age?Oct 10 14:23
schestowitzYou're already on so many drugs, AFAICTOct 10 14:24
DaemonFCeasilyOct 10 14:24
*amarsh04 was able to compile the new radeonhd driver 1.3.0 fine, but drm and experimental 3D support in mesa didn't work outOct 10 14:24
DaemonFCnopeOct 10 14:24
DaemonFCI worked bad jobs that caused tons of stress for yearsOct 10 14:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: I was watching this LCD documentary earlierOct 10 14:24
schestowitzAbout 1 hourOct 10 14:24
schestowitzAbout how it drove people madOct 10 14:24
DaemonFCand I started taking it out on myself with poor diet, too little sleep, and smokingOct 10 14:24
Omar87schestowitz, Actually they are not the same, the text is colored in a degree of blue that makes invisible over gray.Oct 10 14:24
schestowitzThere a fine line between medical use (controlled) and lethalOct 10 14:24
schestowitzThe body knows best how to manage chemistryOct 10 14:25
*amarsh04 is happily using a second-hand crt monitorOct 10 14:25
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm not a junkie looking for a fixOct 10 14:25
schestowitzSo you took drugs for stress?Oct 10 14:25
schestowitzBad mistakeOct 10 14:25
DaemonFCI was in severe pain, probably the worst in my lifeOct 10 14:25
schestowitzMany Ameircans are addicted to itOct 10 14:25
DaemonFCand I took prescription pain killers for a weekOct 10 14:25
schestowitzAnd I know people who hate the pharmas with passions for ruining their lives this wayOct 10 14:25
schestowitzamarsh04: LSD I meant :-)Oct 10 14:26
schestowitzNot LCDOct 10 14:26
DaemonFCthe cigarette companies need to be outlawed firstOct 10 14:26
DaemonFCno benefit, only causing disease and deathOct 10 14:26
amarsh04hehehe schestowitzOct 10 14:26
schestowitzI watched it on the LCD thoughOct 10 14:26
schestowitzMaybe that's why I got it wrongOct 10 14:27
*schestowitz types this on a CRTOct 10 14:27
P|sceanamarsh04, so am I.. running at 1920x1440Oct 10 14:27
DaemonFCI've always hated CRTsOct 10 14:27
amarsh04only 1024*768 here, but that's fineOct 10 14:27
P|sceani hate crappy crts.. this one is niceOct 10 14:28
P|scean20 inch, flatOct 10 14:28
P|sceanwhatever worksOct 10 14:29
bozo_LCD's use alot less power, I noticed a drop in my power bill when I switched to LCDsOct 10 14:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, I may well have had three more of them if the doctor hadn't injected me with dilantinOct 10 14:31
DaemonFChe may even have saved my life at the rate things were going that dayOct 10 14:31
schestowitzDaemonFC: CRTs do better resolutionOct 10 14:32
amarsh04I switch the crt monitor off mechanically when it's not in useOct 10 14:32
schestowitzOne CRT here does 2500px (width)Oct 10 14:32
DaemonFCmaybe the really high end epensive onesOct 10 14:32
DaemonFCand you still need a huge screen before it matersOct 10 14:32
DaemonFCenjoy your $500 150 pound displayOct 10 14:32
DaemonFCsheeshOct 10 14:32
DaemonFC*mattersOct 10 14:33
DaemonFCI hate CRTs, I hate everything about them, I will never own another oneOct 10 14:33
DaemonFCif I do anything besides LCD, it may be LEDOct 10 14:33
schestowitzcrts are hard to carryOct 10 14:34
schestowitzI have 3 hereOct 10 14:34
schestowitzMain one a LCDOct 10 14:34
DaemonFChard to carry, hard to look atOct 10 14:34
DaemonFCbulkyOct 10 14:34
schestowitzCathode tubes go bad after a whileOct 10 14:34
DaemonFCthat tooOct 10 14:35
schestowitzIf one goes bad, it's doneOct 10 14:35
DaemonFCand not necessarily all at onceOct 10 14:35
DaemonFCthere you go, radiationOct 10 14:35
DaemonFC:POct 10 14:35
schestowitzThat tooOct 10 14:35
P|sceanits still fun playing first person shooters (quake 3 for example) at 2048x1536 at 75hz :POct 10 14:37
DaemonFCnot worth the hassle of having a CRTOct 10 14:39
DaemonFCmy games run just fine at 1680 x 1050Oct 10 14:39
P|sceanit is when your too poor for an lcd hehOct 10 14:39
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DaemonFCthe cheapies only run a little over $100Oct 10 14:39
DaemonFCmine was like $200, last yearOct 10 14:40
DaemonFCI have to drive across town today to the bankOct 10 14:40
DaemonFCuggghOct 10 14:40
DaemonFChaven't driven since the seizuresOct 10 14:41
DaemonFCknowing my luck I'll have one in the carOct 10 14:41
bozo_im using a 22in SAMSUNG lcd and it's the best one ive ever had, lost A$160Oct 10 14:41
DaemonFC24" WestinghouseOct 10 14:41
bozo_niceOct 10 14:41
DaemonFCI got it at Best Buy before their anti-Linux ordealOct 10 14:42
DaemonFCwhen Warlord Bush rained down $300-$600 on everyoneOct 10 14:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Stupidity is its own reward http://is.gd/4c0pi HT @picturecoolOct 10 14:42
phIRCeTitle: Overclockers Australia - OCAU Image .::. Size~: 19.16 KBOct 10 14:42
DaemonFCI wasn't gonna send back free money :POct 10 14:43
Omar87schestowitz, How about now? http://omarsflosscorner.blogspot.com/Oct 10 14:43
phIRCeTitle: Omar's FLOSS corner .::. Size~: 72.7 KBOct 10 14:43
DaemonFCI need to switch banksOct 10 14:43
DaemonFCthey closed down the branch on this side of town, I just never usually HAVE to go insideOct 10 14:44
DaemonFCanyway, bblOct 10 14:44
Omar87DaemonFC, tytOct 10 14:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #ie6 - accept no compromise. http://imgur.com/WYmFt HT @picturecoolOct 10 15:01
phIRCeTitle: imgur: the simple image host .::. Size~: 10.55 KBOct 10 15:01
schestowitzOmar87: much better.Oct 10 15:21
Omar87schestowitz, thanks.Oct 10 15:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You see to be using Internet Explorer 6... http://imgur.com/WYmFt.pngOct 10 15:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You seem to be using Internet Explorer 6... http://post.ly/7zQnOct 10 15:25
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trmancotwitshare uses silverlieOct 10 15:29
trmancohttp://twitshare.net/Oct 10 15:29
phIRCeTitle: TwitShare - Compartilhe arquivos no Twitter - www.twitshare.net .::. Size~: 13.51 KBOct 10 15:29
trmancoI can't see a picture of a friend of mine because of that crapOct 10 15:30
Omar87trmanco, or silverblight. :)Oct 10 15:31
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trmancoit's not a pictureOct 10 15:32
trmancoit's a fileOct 10 15:32
trmancoI can see where this is gettingOct 10 15:32
trmanco*compressed fileOct 10 15:32
trmancoyou need silverlight to download a file now... how stupidOct 10 15:33
Omar87trmanco, by the way. Any fresh Silverblight-related posts? (Not necessarily on BN)Oct 10 15:33
trmancono, not that i've read at leastOct 10 15:34
trmancohttp://identi.ca/notice/11745074Oct 10 15:34
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trmancointerestingOct 10 15:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Showing off Karmic at Surrey/Hants LUG meeting \o/Oct 10 15:47
schestowitztrmanco: he lumps me in with the FSF. Just ignore the troll.Oct 10 15:49
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DaemonFCuggghOct 10 16:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, Comcast owns most of QVCOct 10 16:01
DaemonFCso I effectively bought my new system from Comcast :POct 10 16:02
schestowitzYou don't have much choice where you liveOct 10 16:02
DaemonFCmeh, not if I wanted financingOct 10 16:03
DaemonFCI've never paid interest for anythingOct 10 16:07
DaemonFCif I didn't pay it for my car, I'll be damned if I agree to interest on a computerOct 10 16:08
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DaemonFCI've taken two extra strength tylenol and two extra strength aleveOct 10 16:46
DaemonFCand I'm still a bit achy :POct 10 16:46
DaemonFCnothing like it was thoughOct 10 16:47
DaemonFCI'm going to go see if a hot shower helps me for a few hours again, brbOct 10 16:47
_Hicham_hi senor schestowitzOct 10 16:54
schestowitzHeyOct 10 16:57
schestowitz_Hicham_: guess what this is http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1927/dscf0469.jpg  http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6/dscf0466.jpgOct 10 16:57
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phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 16:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell VP Brushes Off Microsoft’s Attacks on GNU/Linux, Promotes .NET http://ping.fm/kz2RaOct 10 16:57
phIRCeTitle: Novell VP Brushes Off Microsofts Attacks on GNU/Linux, Promotes .NET | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.02 KBOct 10 16:59
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RockallOct 10 17:22
phIRCeTitle: Rockall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 132.09 KBOct 10 17:22
DaemonFCthat's pretty funny, disputing which country owns a rockOct 10 17:22
schestowitz!google the rockOct 10 17:31
phIRCe[1] - Dwayne Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_JohnsonOct 10 17:31
phIRCe[2] - The Rock (1996) | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117500/Oct 10 17:31
phIRCe[3] - Dwayne Johnson (I) | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0425005/Oct 10 17:31
phIRCe[4] - WWE: Superstars > WWE Alumni > The Rock | http://www.wwe.com/superstars/wwealumni/therock/Oct 10 17:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ECIS on the #Patent Licensing Paradox, #Microsoft Confesses Licensing Tricks http://bit.ly/2wZpWEOct 10 17:31
phIRCeTitle: ECIS on the Patent Licensing Paradox, Microsoft Confesses Licensing Tricks | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.06 KBOct 10 17:32
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/10/september-2009-browser-stats-ie-sees-biggest-drop-yet.arsOct 10 17:35
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DaemonFCIE is finally under 2/3rdsOct 10 17:36
DaemonFCmy mom is really after me to find her a netbook for whatever reasonOct 10 17:52
DaemonFCI've already said whatever she does, DON'T GET XP, lolOct 10 17:52
DaemonFCI can't believe anyone is still selling XP, lots of people won't keep a car that oldOct 10 17:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Guy in shop: "What's that on your T-shirt", Me: "A heron", him: "I've seen that before", Me: "Ubuntu desktop?", him: "Oh yeah!"Oct 10 17:54
DaemonFCwell, I like Ubuntu KarmicOct 10 17:55
DaemonFCit almost makes this old laptop usable againOct 10 17:55
DaemonFCit's limited by my hardware though, anything I run on here is, but Vista just murders itOct 10 17:56
DaemonFCI timed Vista Basic startup, when HP sent me the express upgrade discOct 10 17:56
DaemonFCVista takes over 4 minutes just to boot up on this thingOct 10 17:57
DaemonFCI toyed with it for about 10 minutes, couldn't get it to do anything I needed, and ducked back to XPOct 10 17:57
DaemonFCVista was just unbelievably, undeniably shitty, and still people like Pirillo show up in their MS hats and recommend it to peopleOct 10 17:58
DaemonFCI'm sure it worked great on his $3,000 computerOct 10 17:59
MinceRyou mean it booted on the $5000 laptop he received gratis from m$? :>Oct 10 18:04
DaemonFCmore than likely, MinceROct 10 18:05
DaemonFCpainting my arms with more icy hotOct 10 18:08
DaemonFCnow I think I know how arthritis feelsOct 10 18:08
DaemonFCMinceR, I probably never will buy a system that totals more than $1,000Oct 10 18:09
DaemonFCI just don't see why I wouldOct 10 18:09
DaemonFCMinceR, Software is the biggest scam in historyOct 10 18:11
DaemonFCa new video game is $60 or so and wants a $500 video cardOct 10 18:11
MinceRyou mean selling sw licenses?Oct 10 18:11
DaemonFCnext year it's $30 and needs a $150 cardOct 10 18:11
DaemonFCtwo years in, it's a $10 jewel case that runs on a $70 cardOct 10 18:12
MinceRso?Oct 10 18:12
DaemonFCif thatOct 10 18:12
DaemonFCso let the idiots buy the expensive hardware and pay the $60 a copy for the gameOct 10 18:12
DaemonFCI'll find it on the jewel case and love it just as much for $10 later onOct 10 18:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Kids are shipped off to inlaws, wifey makes Eton Mess, I'm on IRC. Nothing changes.Oct 10 18:12
DaemonFCI used to be like thatOct 10 18:13
DaemonFCI paid $60 for Microsoft's Age of Empires like back in 2003Oct 10 18:14
DaemonFCerrrr, age of mythology that isOct 10 18:14
DaemonFCnot it's in a combo pack with age of empires I and II, all the expansion packs, and the AoM expansion packsOct 10 18:14
DaemonFC$10Oct 10 18:14
DaemonFCif you bought it all for what it came out for, the set would have been like over $300Oct 10 18:15
DaemonFCthen there's the collection packs that you have to buy even though you own all the games cause the collector pack runs on the latest Windows even though the old box sets were never patchedOct 10 18:16
DaemonFCthey love doing shit like that to youOct 10 18:16
DaemonFCEA especiallyOct 10 18:17
*amarsh04 has a new voip handset, works fine, but doesn't understand daylight saving time for its clock display, so you can either have the time synched by ntp to one hour slow or disable ntp and have the clock time driftOct 10 18:18
amarsh04even on proprietary unix, one could download the olsen timezone files, customise them if necessary and compile them using zicbin to have one's time zones correctOct 10 18:19
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DaemonFCproprietary UNIX is/was hell on wheelsOct 10 18:29
DaemonFCUNIX is a very loose term instead of a well defined system mainly because of all the various corporate and educational and later FOSS flavorsOct 10 18:30
DaemonFCit's still frustrating and incompatible with itself as it has ever beenOct 10 18:31
_Hicham_DaemonFC : bewareOct 10 18:32
DaemonFCbeware of pseudo-standards presenting themselves as a solid foundationOct 10 18:33
DaemonFCbeware of Greeks bearing giftsOct 10 18:34
DaemonFCnever eat anything bigger than your headOct 10 18:34
_Hicham_never troll till u get sickOct 10 18:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] This is wierd. Wifey is telling me why Ubuntu is better than Windows. Parallel universe.Oct 10 18:35
_Hicham_Ubuntu is better than Windows, for sureOct 10 18:37
_Hicham_because it has less privacy and security problemsOct 10 18:37
DaemonFCswitching from/to any OS is just horse tradingOct 10 18:38
DaemonFCyou'll get different problemsOct 10 18:38
DaemonFCmaybe more, maybe less, maybe some frustrate you more or lessOct 10 18:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #Vista7 Schwag/Bribe Resold on #eBay http://bit.ly/qGeJAOct 10 18:39
phIRCeTitle: Microsofts Vista 7 Schwag/Bribe Resold on eBay | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.34 KBOct 10 18:39
MinceRi prefer pseudo-standards to lack of standards :>Oct 10 18:40
DaemonFCMinceR, The Microsoft vs FOSS argument is flawed because it's just asking if you want a dictator or a bumbling bureaucracyOct 10 18:47
MinceRi don't see howOct 10 18:47
DaemonFCthere's no good option, there's just what happens to work well enough at the moment for youOct 10 18:47
MinceRno, there's an extremely bad option and one that isn't quite so bad and can improveOct 10 18:48
DaemonFCKHRONOS Group is a good example of bumbling bureaucratsOct 10 18:48
DaemonFCand a standard that is aging poorlyOct 10 18:48
MinceRnot all FLOSS projects are like thatOct 10 18:48
MinceRalso, that standard is in a bad shape because m$ diverts attention from itOct 10 18:48
DaemonFCthen you get FOSS software that may as well be proprietaryOct 10 18:49
DaemonFCthey allow like 5-6 developers to work on it and if you want to make it not suck, you can only do that if you can maintain a forkOct 10 18:49
DaemonFC(Pidgin)Oct 10 18:49
_Hicham_wrongOct 10 18:50
DaemonFCor drivers that don't exist because of lack of interest or obfuscated hardware (most TV tuners)Oct 10 18:50
_Hicham_FOSS is for everyone that have skillsOct 10 18:50
trmancoExecutable: kopete PID: 3288 Signal: 6 (Aborted)Oct 10 18:50
DaemonFCso you go with Windows, pay hundreds of dollars, and get DRMOct 10 18:50
trmancooopsOct 10 18:50
DaemonFCnot good eitherOct 10 18:50
trmancoit crashed with no user interactionOct 10 18:50
DaemonFCI don't really think there is an "innovative/enabling" "platform" out thereOct 10 18:51
_Hicham_trmanco : Kopete is great ...Oct 10 18:51
trmancoit isOct 10 18:51
DaemonFCcompanies fuck you over through greed, and FOSS never implements support at allOct 10 18:51
trmancoI didn't say it wasn'tOct 10 18:51
_Hicham_it is the only Multiprotocol Messenger to support webcam for MSN and Yahoo for agesOct 10 18:52
trmancoit doesn't support msnOct 10 18:52
trmancobut it does support yahooOct 10 18:52
DaemonFCit's enough to make you want to cuss and spitOct 10 18:52
_Hicham_trmanco : it doesOct 10 18:52
trmancoI can't find itOct 10 18:52
trmancowhere?Oct 10 18:52
DaemonFCwhen you're a user and your choice is piss poor or piss poor and the only difference is the reason behind why the product is piss poorOct 10 18:53
trmancoI can find the entry for yahoo accountOct 10 18:53
trmancoaccounts*Oct 10 18:53
DaemonFCI suppose it's easier to ding Windows for being piss poor since it's also expensiveOct 10 18:53
_Hicham_trmanco : I was using back with ubuntu 7.10Oct 10 18:53
trmancoyeahOct 10 18:53
trmancokde 3.5Oct 10 18:53
_Hicham_trmanco : so I don't know about current versionOct 10 18:53
_Hicham_trmanco : exactlyOct 10 18:53
trmancodon't forget it has been rewritten to wt4Oct 10 18:53
_Hicham_so MSN is dropped ?Oct 10 18:54
_Hicham_I can't believe thatOct 10 18:54
DaemonFCMSN is rebrandedOct 10 18:54
DaemonFCWLMOct 10 18:54
trmancoI can't find the webcam entry for msnOct 10 18:54
DaemonFCkause kopete doesn't ksupport it, komradeOct 10 18:54
DaemonFClolOct 10 18:54
MinceRDaemonFC: what does it take to maintain a fork?Oct 10 18:54
MinceRyou preted as if that was a major featOct 10 18:55
MinceRit isn'tOct 10 18:55
_Hicham_trmanco : u don't see any cam icon in chat window ?Oct 10 18:55
trmanconoOct 10 18:55
DaemonFCMinceR, Well, you need to make sure yours stays compatible with theirs, which may limit what you can doOct 10 18:55
MinceRactually i don'tOct 10 18:55
MinceRit's a chiceOct 10 18:55
trmancoyahoo has the webcam entriesOct 10 18:55
DaemonFCor you can break compatibility and end up with two projects which may never merge againOct 10 18:55
DaemonFCwhich is badOct 10 18:55
trmancomsn has not, yetOct 10 18:55
DaemonFCnothing on Linux supports Windows Live Messenger (MSN) webcamOct 10 18:56
trmancoxmpp doesn't have the webcam entries eitherOct 10 18:56
DaemonFCyou might try and see if aMSN works againOct 10 18:56
DaemonFCit was broken by the Windows Live Messenger 14.x upgradeOct 10 18:57
trmancomsn afaik always had workedOct 10 18:57
DaemonFCthough two aMSN users can still cam over WLM protocolOct 10 18:57
trmancobut I hate a client that support only a protocolOct 10 18:57
trmancoI need to burn up my ram memory with other appsOct 10 18:57
DaemonFCmeh, suit yourselfOct 10 18:57
DaemonFCwelcome to my worldOct 10 18:58
DaemonFCPidgin is an anti-*nix appOct 10 18:58
DaemonFCDo everything and do it all just a little wrongOct 10 18:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Has Won the #Ereaders ‘War’ as #Microsoft CEO Calls it Quits http://bit.ly/F9wtFOct 10 18:58
phIRCeTitle: Linux Has Won the E-readers War as Microsoft CEO Calls it Quits | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.7 KBOct 10 18:59
DaemonFCit's why on Windows, I just use Windows Live MessengerOct 10 18:59
DaemonFCI merged all the Yahoo contacts I cared about into my WLM listOct 10 18:59
DaemonFCbtw, those show up if you use aMSNOct 10 18:59
trmancoI don't either Windows or PidginOct 10 18:59
DaemonFC;)Oct 10 18:59
trmancothey also show up if you connect to your yahoo accountOct 10 19:00
trmancoif you have anyOct 10 19:00
DaemonFCYahoo is dyingOct 10 19:00
DaemonFCI just bombed everyone on there with invites to my Windows Live listOct 10 19:00
DaemonFCI'm not pissing around with Yahoo Messenger anymoreOct 10 19:01
DaemonFCnot worth itOct 10 19:01
DaemonFCYahoo Messenger is bloated spamwareOct 10 19:01
DaemonFCeasily swallows 128 megs or more of RAMOct 10 19:01
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DaemonFCif you sacrificed the RAM it takes to run two copies of Windows 2000, Yahoo may still not be able to load your friend listOct 10 19:02
trmancoI'm just talking about the protocolOct 10 19:02
trmancowellOct 10 19:03
DaemonFCyeah, I don't do PidginOct 10 19:03
DaemonFCeven on Linux now I supposeOct 10 19:03
trmancoI've finally reached the 500+ megabytes of ram consumption in FF 3.5Oct 10 19:03
DaemonFCEmpathy improved to the point that it supports WLM and Yahoo at least as well as PidginOct 10 19:03
DaemonFCso I'm using thatOct 10 19:03
trmancoGoogle Wave is heavy :DOct 10 19:04
DaemonFCmy laptop only has 896 megs of RAM after throwing 128 at the integrated GPUOct 10 19:04
DaemonFCso even saving 10-15 megs is a good thing if possibleOct 10 19:04
trmancoand then we have some flash apps that make Firefox eat even moreOct 10 19:04
DaemonFCplaying flash video revs up my fanOct 10 19:04
DaemonFCit's annoyingOct 10 19:04
trmanconever tried empathyOct 10 19:04
DaemonFCEmpathy in GNOME 2.28 final is what I'm using right nowOct 10 19:05
DaemonFCI thought I'd have to kill Empathy and get Pidgin back, but it's improved enough that I won'tOct 10 19:05
DaemonFCIndicator Applet is also revisedOct 10 19:05
DaemonFCit does stuff nowOct 10 19:05
DaemonFC(Ubuntu KarmicOct 10 19:05
trmancoit also did do stuffOct 10 19:06
trmancoit always*Oct 10 19:06
DaemonFCannoy meOct 10 19:06
DaemonFCget uninstalledOct 10 19:06
trmancoI think it found it's way into KDEOct 10 19:06
DaemonFCthat kind of stuff is what it did in JauntyOct 10 19:06
DaemonFCI actually like it nowOct 10 19:06
DaemonFCnew default theme is also in KarmicOct 10 19:06
DaemonFCnew software installer tooOct 10 19:07
DaemonFCnew software installer is as easy as Click n' Run from LinspireOct 10 19:07
DaemonFCalso has full page description of every app with expandable screenshotsOct 10 19:07
DaemonFClooks like a lot of work went into smoothing some of the more aggravating rough edgesOct 10 19:08
DaemonFCa new user would be a lot more comfortable with thisOct 10 19:08
MinceRBitlBee > *Oct 10 19:09
DaemonFCI'd guess they've cut the learning curve on the average system for most users in halfOct 10 19:09
DaemonFCthe only thing they need to do now is make the restricted codec package more obviousOct 10 19:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear Identica, Twitter, Facebook. I will be drinking tonight, please disable any stupidity from me after about 21:00 UTC. Kthxbye!Oct 10 19:14
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DaemonFCat least Hotmail doesn't send you to the upgrade your browser page anymore if you use LinuxOct 10 19:20
DaemonFChttp://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2009/10/09/1008414/adl1Oct 10 19:21
phIRCeTitle: ADL hails House passage of hate-crimes bill | Capital J | JTA - Jewish & Israel News .::. Size~: 34.71 KBOct 10 19:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hey, I don't want to end up on some kind of facebookfail website!Oct 10 19:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Works Dies, More #Layoffs Reported http://bit.ly/vr5RsOct 10 19:28
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Works Dies, More Layoffs Reported | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.07 KBOct 10 19:29
trmancohttp://jasondclinton.livejournal.com/74222.htmlOct 10 19:45
phIRCeTitle: Jason D. Clinton - GTK 3.0 and CSD .::. Size~: 58.49 KBOct 10 19:45
schestowitzbrbOct 10 19:50
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schestowitz"!idea: Anti-#Apple campaign in the same vein as other anti-#windows ones. Maybe #caged_leopard or something. !fsf" http://identi.ca/notice/11701003Oct 10 20:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Someone has just put forth the proposition for an Apple campign called "caged leopard"Oct 10 20:11
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schestowitzhttp://www.physorg.com/news174242334.htmlOct 10 20:28
phIRCeTitle: Household robots do not protect users' security and privacy, researchers say .::. Size~: 77.27 KBOct 10 20:28
schestowitzhttp://www.philly.com/philly/business/technology/20091007_Jonathan_Takiff__Little_zing_in_Zune__Microsoft_HD_player_has_glitches__quirks.htmlOct 10 20:38
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Still happy with my SansaOct 10 20:44
DaemonFCZune HD would be pointless even if the firmware was flawlessOct 10 20:44
DaemonFCthere's like maybe 1-2 HD FM stations in this whole stateOct 10 20:44
DaemonFCwhat a gimmicky pile of crapOct 10 20:44
DaemonFCI bought a few audible books to listen to while I'm laying down, in pain :POct 10 20:45
DaemonFCthe Sansa plays themOct 10 20:45
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DaemonFCnever used audible books til now, my arms hurt too much to hold a book to readOct 10 20:46
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schestowitzroy@roy:~$ sudo apt-get install xtermOct 10 21:05
schestowitzReading package lists... DoneOct 10 21:05
schestowitzBuilding dependency treeOct 10 21:05
schestowitzReading state information... DoneOct 10 21:05
schestowitzxterm is already the newest version.Oct 10 21:05
schestowitzYou might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:Oct 10 21:05
schestowitzThe following packages have unmet dependencies.Oct 10 21:05
schestowitz  libc6: Depends: libc-bin (= 2.10.1-0ubuntu13) but 2.10.1-0ubuntu15 is to be installedOct 10 21:05
schestowitzE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).Oct 10 21:05
schestowitzAny suggestions?Oct 10 21:05
trmancointall the dependenciesOct 10 21:06
trmancodowngrade themOct 10 21:06
schestowitzHow would you go about doing this safely?Oct 10 21:06
trmancoI did that with libxml++ ounceOct 10 21:06
schestowitzI don't want to b0rk anythingOct 10 21:06
trmancoit's just a packaging issueOct 10 21:07
schestowitzI reported 2 bugsOct 10 21:07
schestowitzin launchpadOct 10 21:07
trmancoit should be >=2.10.1-0ubuntu1Oct 10 21:07
trmanco3Oct 10 21:07
trmancoI guessOct 10 21:07
schestowitzWhat will it do upon running apt-get -f install?Oct 10 21:08
trmancoforceOct 10 21:08
trmancothe 15 indicates a small patch or packaging bugOct 10 21:09
schestowitzDoesn't sounds like a good idea.Oct 10 21:09
trmancoI've done that a couple of timeOct 10 21:17
trmancobut it wasn't with something related to libcOct 10 21:18
schestowitzlibc is crucialOct 10 21:18
schestowitzNot just something at the topOct 10 21:19
trmancohttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Miguel-de-Icaza/274613025149?v=feed&story_fbid=128683157394&ref=mfOct 10 21:19
phIRCeTitle: Miguel de Icaza RT: @jdub #boycottboycottnovell: Calling out community-sapping, ambulance-chasing motherfuckers like Roy Schestowitz and Sam Varghese. | Facebook .::. Size~: 32.53 KBOct 10 21:19
trmancohahaOct 10 21:19
trmancoI love my botOct 10 21:19
schestowitzSuch a nice guyOct 10 21:19
schestowitzSo anyway, would you try downgrading a package?Oct 10 21:20
schestowitzI'm used to RPM.Oct 10 21:20
trmancoask that in ubuntu+1Oct 10 21:20
trmancoI'm sure they will be helpfulOct 10 21:21
trmancoif it the package was less important, I would say go a head with itOct 10 21:21
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trmancoin this case I would look for more information to see what happened with libc-binOct 10 21:21
trmancohttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/2.10.1-0ubuntu15Oct 10 21:23
phIRCeTitle: “eglibc” package : Ubuntu .::. Size~: 31.95 KBOct 10 21:23
trmancoeglibc (2.10.1-0ubuntu15) karmic; urgency=lowOct 10 21:23
trmanco  * Don't fail the build explicitely on any architecture (used for ppaOct 10 21:23
trmanco    uploads to save buildd resources).Oct 10 21:23
DaemonFCtrmanco, sudo aptitude safe-upgradeOct 10 21:24
DaemonFCalways use that when on a dev branchOct 10 21:24
*trmanco mans aptitudeOct 10 21:24
trmancoyou should ping schestowitzOct 10 21:24
schestowitzme?Oct 10 21:24
trmancosafe-upgradeOct 10 21:25
trmanco           Upgrades installed packages to their most recent version. Installed packages will not be removed unlessOct 10 21:25
trmanco           they are unused (see the section “Managing Automatically Installed Packages” in the aptitude referenceOct 10 21:25
trmanco           manual). Packages which are not currently installed may be installed to resolve dependencies unless theOct 10 21:25
trmanco           --no-new-installs command-line option is supplied.Oct 10 21:25
trmanco           It is sometimes necessary to remove one package in order to upgrade another; this command is not able toOct 10 21:25
trmanco           upgrade packages in such situations. Use the full-upgrade command to upgrade as many packages asOct 10 21:25
trmanco           possible.Oct 10 21:25
schestowitzIt's not the 'normal' routeOct 10 21:26
schestowitzIt could maybe conflict with the default thingOct 10 21:26
DaemonFCsafe upgrade is what is recommendedOct 10 21:27
schestowitzAs I understand it, this alpha will update itself until it's final (??????) and thus stableOct 10 21:27
DaemonFCyesOct 10 21:27
schestowitzWould you do it now?Oct 10 21:27
DaemonFCdo what now?Oct 10 21:27
DaemonFCregular apt-get update is perfectly safe on a stable releaseOct 10 21:27
DaemonFCerrr upgradeOct 10 21:27
schestowitzBut this was an alphaOct 10 21:28
schestowitzNot stableOct 10 21:28
trmancoschestowitz: your on beta now if you have updated the systemOct 10 21:28
DaemonFCwell, what I mean is that you should use aptitude safe-upgrade til the final releaseOct 10 21:28
DaemonFCthen just use apt-get upgradeOct 10 21:29
trmancoit's a role release when your in a dev branchOct 10 21:29
DaemonFCsafe upgrade stops packages with broken dependencies from getting brought inOct 10 21:29
DaemonFCyeah, just like setting your Debian repos to "Squeeze"Oct 10 21:29
DaemonFCbut "Testing" wouldn't stop on the final Squeeze releaseOct 10 21:30
trmancoI'll go karmic when it reaches RCOct 10 21:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: what's your recommendation to resolve the conflict?Oct 10 21:31
schestowitzlibcOct 10 21:31
DaemonFCI wasn't paying attentionOct 10 21:31
DaemonFCwhat happened?Oct 10 21:31
schestowitzhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/doj-opens-inquiry-on-ibms-mainframe-business-2009-10-07Oct 10 21:31
trmancohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWpL0oSKo4UOct 10 21:31
phIRCeTitle: DOJ opens inquiry on IBM's mainframe business - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 92.49 KBOct 10 21:31
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Schestowitz - 'Free' TV Ad - 2008 .::. Size~: 107.44 KBOct 10 21:31
schestowitzDaemonFC:Oct 10 21:31
schestowitz[21:05] <schestowitz> The following packages have unmet dependencies.Oct 10 21:31
schestowitz[21:05] <schestowitz>   libc6: Depends: libc-bin (= 2.10.1-0ubuntu13) but 2.10.1-0ubuntu15 is to be installedOct 10 21:31
schestowitz[21:05] <schestowitz> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).Oct 10 21:31
trmancoschestowitz: did you see the link Igave you?Oct 10 21:32
trmancothe one from launchpadOct 10 21:32
schestowitztrmanco: yes, I saw thatOct 10 21:32
schestowitzIt doesn't quite list a solutionOct 10 21:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, You're trying to upgrade your packages?Oct 10 21:32
trmancoIMO I think it would be safeOct 10 21:32
DaemonFCnothing is installed yet?Oct 10 21:32
trmancoapt is stopping a package upgradeOct 10 21:32
DaemonFCin that case I'd ignore it for a whileOct 10 21:33
schestowitzhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/2.10.1-0ubuntu15Oct 10 21:33
phIRCeTitle: “eglibc” package : Ubuntu .::. Size~: 31.95 KBOct 10 21:33
trmancobecause the libc6 package (dependencies) hasn't been updatedOct 10 21:33
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, the whole shebang I try to upgradeOct 10 21:33
DaemonFCthings will get sorted out eventually and an apt-get update will probably refresh the package listing and let you upgradeOct 10 21:33
trmancoit will get fixedOct 10 21:33
schestowitzThat's what I reckonedOct 10 21:34
DaemonFChaving a broken package on the system is far worse though, depending on what it isOct 10 21:34
schestowitzI also filed two bug reportsOct 10 21:34
schestowitzI haven't submitted KDE bugs in weeks, thoughOct 10 21:34
DaemonFCthen you have to hope it's not a core package so you can pry it out forcibly with dpkgOct 10 21:34
schestowitzI'm waiting for knode to add that drag and dropOct 10 21:34
DaemonFCseriously not funOct 10 21:34
schestowitzAlso, old knode allowed to move the regions of the gui aroundOct 10 21:34
schestowitzThis is no longer possibleOct 10 21:34
trmancowait for kde 4.5Oct 10 21:35
schestowitzWhy? What happened*then*? :-)Oct 10 21:35
schestowitz*happens _Oct 10 21:35
schestowitzhttp://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2568236/Oct 10 21:36
trmancoit's just me sayingOct 10 21:36
trmancoall of the app had to be ported to qt4Oct 10 21:36
trmancoit will take time to get all the little things set upOct 10 21:36
schestowitzI noticed that it takes a long time for kde to shut downOct 10 21:38
schestowitzI didn't profile to see what process leads to itOct 10 21:38
schestowitzAlso, after about a week the memory leaks require actionOct 10 21:39
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schestowitzHow's Mac OS X doing wrt memory leaks?Oct 10 21:39
schestowitzhttp://www.macwrite.com/critical-mass/memory-leaks-mac-os-xOct 10 21:40
phIRCeTitle: Memory Leaks in Mac OS X | MacWrite.com .::. Size~: 14.67 KBOct 10 21:40
schestowitzhttp://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8300945231/m/409009892831/Oct 10 21:40
phIRCeTitle: Does OS X have a kernel memory leak? - Topic Powered by Eve Community .::. Size~: 193.22 KBOct 10 21:40
schestowitz!google mac memory leaksOct 10 21:40
phIRCe[1] - Memory Leaks in Mac OS X | MacWrite.com | http://www.macwrite.com/critical-mass/memory-leaks-mac-os-xOct 10 21:40
phIRCe[2] - ATPM 12.12 - How To: Use Activity Monitor to Monitor Your Mac's Memory | http://www.atpm.com/12.12/activity.shtmlOct 10 21:40
phIRCe[3] - Chris Hanson - Checking Mac OS X applications for memory leaks | http://chanson.livejournal.com/147902.htmlOct 10 21:40
phIRCe[4] - iPhone Dev Center: Memory Usage Performance Guidelines: Finding ... | http://developer.apple.com/iPhone/library/documentation/Performance/Conceptual/ManagingMemory/Articles/FindingLeaks.htmlOct 10 21:40
schestowitz!google vista memory leaksOct 10 21:41
phIRCe[1] - Hotfix that addresses a memory leak in pc running Windows Vista or ... | http://forums.techarena.in/tips-tweaks/1086425.htmOct 10 21:41
phIRCe[2] - Windows Vista Memory Tweak Guide - TechSpot | http://www.techspot.com/guides/72-windows-vista-memory-tweaking/Oct 10 21:41
phIRCe[3] - Vista Memory Leak - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net | http://www.overclock.net/windows/298016-vista-memory-leak.htmlOct 10 21:41
phIRCe[4] - Test Your Computer's Memory Using Windows Vista Memory Diagnostic ... | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/test-your-computers-memory-using-windows-vista-memory-diagnostic-tool/Oct 10 21:41
schestowitzIt would be useful to do a benchmark not of memory use but one of memory leaksOct 10 21:41
schestowitzLet the same OSes run similar processes for a week and see how it faresOct 10 21:41
trmancoit won't be fairOct 10 21:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Black Muslim lesbians take over Top Gear http://notnews.today.com/?p=687Oct 10 21:45
phIRCeTitle: Black Muslim lesbians take over Top Gear - News of the News .::. Size~: 32.12 KBOct 10 21:46
schestowitzWhy would it not be fair?Oct 10 21:49
schestowitzhttp://kara.allthingsd.com/20091008/twitter-talking-separately-to-microsoft-and-also-google-about-big-data-mining-deals/Oct 10 21:49
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft, Google in Talks With Twitter to Integrate Tweet Feeds | Kara Swisher | BoomTown | AllThingsD .::. Size~: 59.11 KBOct 10 21:49
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schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/deborahCohen/idUSTRE5975BR20091008Oct 10 21:53
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yuhong"It has become abundantly clear (especially recently) that Vista 7 will not succeed. "Oct 10 22:00
yuhongI would not go that far.Oct 10 22:00
schestowitz"The South Korean government insists that Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE) Web browser should be the only option for doing encrypted communications online and the Supreme Court has no problem with it."Oct 10 22:00
schestowitzhttp://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/10/123_53253.htmlOct 10 22:00
phIRCeTitle: Court Defends Microsoft Browser Monoculture .::. Size~: 62.43 KBOct 10 22:00
schestowitzyuhong: you never "would go that far"Oct 10 22:00
schestowitzyuhong: I have another post comingOct 10 22:00
schestowitzMore people feel the sameOct 10 22:00
yuhongI never will, let be debunk another security article on Win7.Oct 10 22:02
yuhong"In the words of oiaohm, “Microsoft in windows 7 is now forced to virtualise XP. So all the viruses of XP will remain around.”"Oct 10 22:02
yuhongJailed into a VM.Oct 10 22:03
yuhongBut I still will not upgrade to 7.Oct 10 22:03
yuhongI bought this PC I am writing this on with Vista, and will NOT upgrade it to 7.Oct 10 22:03
yuhongI am going to upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10 on the Linux side.Oct 10 22:04
schestowitzyuhong: why upgrade to v7?Oct 10 22:05
schestowitzSeriously, many people look for an answerOct 10 22:05
DaemonFCmine is freeOct 10 22:05
schestowitzI don't think even Microsoft gave reasonsOct 10 22:05
DaemonFCcoupon with the systemOct 10 22:05
schestowitzFor Vista it made some ridiculour 100 reasons listOct 10 22:05
schestowitzDo you remember? microsoft.com IIRC.Oct 10 22:06
schestowitzFor Vista 7 it's not even mentioned. "upgrade.. cause it's hrrmmm... cool"Oct 10 22:06
schestowitzyuhong: try kde 4.x as wellOct 10 22:06
schestowitzIt's really good, very modern, compares favourably with all other OSesOct 10 22:07
yuhongYep, I know about it but hasn't got around to trying it.Oct 10 22:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: they'll make a touchscreen for you.. when the hands are all recovered entirely.Oct 10 22:07
DaemonFCnot going to buy one for a whileOct 10 22:08
DaemonFCjust don't think I need oneOct 10 22:08
DaemonFCmight eventually just be another feature of a monitorOct 10 22:08
yuhongI have a constructive suggestion:Oct 10 22:08
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/09/vista-7-hijack-risk/#comment-73977Oct 10 22:08
phIRCeTitle: Vista 7 Left Hijackable Again (Almost a Monthly Recurrence) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.49 KBOct 10 22:08
schestowitzhttp://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/fish-amp-richardson-gets-5116,985782.shtmlOct 10 22:08
phIRCeTitle: Fish & Richardson Gets $511.6 Million Judgment Against Microsoft Overturned at the Federal Circuit .::. Size~: 51.52 KBOct 10 22:09
schestowitzyuhong: yes, I saw thatOct 10 22:09
schestowitzyuhong: RDM (Dilger) linked to BN the other day. I know you like that site.Oct 10 22:09
schestowitzHTC 3Q Net Profit Falls 18% On Higher Marketing Costs http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091006-704340.htmlOct 10 22:10
phIRCeTitle: UPDATE:HTC 3Q Net Profit Falls 18% On Higher Marketing Costs - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 99.54 KBOct 10 22:10
schestowitzIt doesn't help that they make undesirable products like Windows phonesOct 10 22:10
schestowitzAt least thet have begun leaning on AndroidOct 10 22:11
yuhongYes, and on the matter of Microsoft running away from the press, do you remember when I pointed something out about MS's Hyper-V patch.Oct 10 22:11
DaemonFCI don't care what OS my phone runsOct 10 22:11
DaemonFCas long as it runs the few apps I useOct 10 22:11
yuhongIt was news that was buried.Oct 10 22:11
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/23/patent-injection-not-code-donation/#comment-71188Oct 10 22:11
phIRCeTitle: Why Linux Did Not Need Microsofts Code Injection | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 225.16 KBOct 10 22:12
yuhongHappened just after this patch, but almost no one noticed.Oct 10 22:12
schestowitzI don't quite follow.Oct 10 22:14
schestowitzBut Microsoft does bury newsOct 10 22:14
schestowitzExamples:Oct 10 22:14
schestowitzOIN catching patents->MS announced CodePlex Floundation[sic]Oct 10 22:14
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/23/patent-injection-not-code-donation/#comment-71188Oct 10 22:14
phIRCeTitle: Why Linux Did Not Need Microsofts Code Injection | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 225.16 KBOct 10 22:14
yuhongWrong link.Oct 10 22:14
schestowitzBad results come this month->Microsoft annoucned Vista 7 within hours ... or hours apartOct 10 22:15
yuhonghttp://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/Oct 10 22:15
phIRCeTitle: LKML: Headers for 20 Jul 2009 .::. Size~: 92.17 KBOct 10 22:15
schestowitzSometimes they run away from requests for commentOct 10 22:15
yuhongThis case, almost no one noticed.Oct 10 22:15
yuhongNotice the link to the Hyper-V patch and FAT: Add FAT_NO_83NAME flag on the same page.Oct 10 22:16
schestowitzHaha.Oct 10 22:17
schestowitzyeah, but show me the relationship really.Oct 10 22:17
yuhongYep, both articles were posted within hours of each other, but which one got more attencion?Oct 10 22:17
yuhonghttp://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/425Oct 10 22:18
phIRCeTitle: LKML: tridge@samba ...: [PATCH 1/2] FAT: Add FAT_NO_83NAME flag .::. Size~: 9.57 KBOct 10 22:18
schestowitzDid they break the news there though?Oct 10 22:18
schestowitzIIRC, Microdsoft briefed journos in advanceOct 10 22:18
yuhong"This is the first of two patches which attempt to address theOct 10 22:18
yuhongtechnical concerns raised by the previous round of VFAT patentOct 10 22:18
yuhongworkaround patches."Oct 10 22:18
schestowitzEmbargo/NDAOct 10 22:18
trmancowhatOct 10 22:18
trmancoitalic?Oct 10 22:18
schestowitzYeahOct 10 22:18
trmancowhat will be next? a bold title?Oct 10 22:18
yuhongAnd remember the MS/TomTom lawsuit.fOct 10 22:18
schestowitzBetter than line crossing it oevrOct 10 22:18
schestowitzyuhong: can you show that Microsoft's press release about the hyper-V patch came around the very same time?Oct 10 22:19
trmancobut the strange thing is, that it also did the italic on the size parteOct 10 22:19
schestowitzIIRC, it did not exactle concurOct 10 22:19
schestowitz*ExactlyOct 10 22:19
trmancothe array is the same, but the key is differentOct 10 22:20
yuhonghttp://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/jul09/07-20linuxqa.mspxOct 10 22:20
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux Community: Roundtable Q&A: Sam Ramji, senior director of Platform Strategy at Microsoft, and Tom Hanrahan, director of Microsoft’s Open Source Technology Center, discuss the company’s release of Linux device driver code under General Public License v2. .::. Size~: 57.18 KBOct 10 22:20
trmancovalue*Oct 10 22:20
schestowitztrmanco: it's a symbol that's interpreted in konv, I thinkOct 10 22:20
schestowitzin xchat it appares normalOct 10 22:20
schestowitzMaybe some escape characterOct 10 22:20
yuhongDate says July 20, 2009.Oct 10 22:20
trmancowhich one?Oct 10 22:20
trmancoit would be great to strip out the dashing tooOct 10 22:20
schestowitzyuhong: this is one day later: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/425Oct 10 22:21
phIRCeTitle: LKML: tridge@samba ...: [PATCH 1/2] FAT: Add FAT_NO_83NAME flag .::. Size~: 9.57 KBOct 10 22:21
schestowitzDateTue, 21 Jul 2009 12:49:40 +1000Oct 10 22:21
schestowitzIn Australia's time (i.e. ahead)Oct 10 22:21
schestowitzYay. I need to install Silver lie to watch this press releaseOct 10 22:22
schestowitzFrom Microsoft /desserter/ RamjiOct 10 22:22
yuhongNot for just getting theisdate.Oct 10 22:22
yuhongNot for just getting this date.Oct 10 22:22
schestowitzMicrosoft pays IDC to lobby govt: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2010000935_microsoftcommissionsstudyitjobswillgrowfasterthangeneraleconomy.htmlOct 10 22:22
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Pri0 | IT jobs will grow faster than general employment, according to Microsoft study | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 59.36 KBOct 10 22:22
yuhongBut how long did the hype behind this last?Oct 10 22:23
schestowitzyuhong: how could they plan to bury this news?Oct 10 22:23
schestowitzThey had to brief journos like KrillOct 10 22:23
schestowitzAnd they can't tell exactly when tridge will post his patchesOct 10 22:23
schestowitzyuhong: about a week and a haldOct 10 22:23
schestowitz*haldOct 10 22:23
schestowitz*halfOct 10 22:23
schestowitzCause then people found out moreOct 10 22:23
yuhongIt wasn't delibrate, it just happened automatically because of the hype.Oct 10 22:24
schestowitzSFLC said Microsoft violated the GPL and allOct 10 22:24
yuhongSee my point.Oct 10 22:24
yuhongIn fact, even after the hype was over, how many other people noticed this patch?Oct 10 22:26
yuhongI tried to post it to slashdot, but got rejected.Oct 10 22:26
DaemonFCconspiracyOct 10 22:28
DaemonFCblack helicoptersOct 10 22:28
yuhongI bet not many others.Oct 10 22:28
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSBRU01009020091007 http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSBRU01009120091007Oct 10 22:28
schestowitzyuhong: what does the patch accomplish? I wasn't paying attentionOct 10 22:29
schestowitzBasically, he wrote a workaround before thatOct 10 22:29
schestowitzWas there an additional one?Oct 10 22:29
yuhongYep.Oct 10 22:30
yuhong"This is the first of two patches which attempt to address theOct 10 22:30
yuhongtechnical concerns raised by the previous round of VFAT patentOct 10 22:30
yuhongworkaround patches."Oct 10 22:30
yuhong"This patch adds a new flag field 'FAT_NO_83NAME' for FAT files. WhenOct 10 22:30
yuhongthis flag is set on an 8.3 FAT entry, both the MSDOS and VFATOct 10 22:30
yuhongfilesystems will skip the entry."Oct 10 22:30
yuhong  - Fixed problems with Win98, although some cosmetic issues remainOct 10 22:31
yuhong  - Fixed problems with all tested MP3 players and similar devicesOct 10 22:31
yuhong  - Lowers the probability of a WinXP bluescreen by a factor of about 80xOct 10 22:31
yuhong  - Fixed problems with mtools, although some cosmetic issues remainOct 10 22:31
yuhong    that require a small mtools patch to fixOct 10 22:31
yuhong"This patch adds a new config option VFAT_FS_NO_DUALNAMES. WhenOct 10 22:32
yuhongVFAT_FS_NO_DUALNAMES is enabled, VFAT will never create a file withOct 10 22:32
yuhongboth a long and a short filename."Oct 10 22:32
yuhongGet it now.Oct 10 22:33
yuhongGet it now?Oct 10 22:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Linux license plate http://post.ly/81jHOct 10 22:34
schestowitzWeird...Oct 10 22:36
schestowitzGoogle News has begun aggregating YouTUbe alsoOct 10 22:37
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sebsebsebhiOct 10 22:37
schestowitzHeyOct 10 22:37
sebsebsebschestowitz: hiOct 10 22:37
schestowitzyuhong: I'm still not convinced that Microsoft timed it because of this patchOct 10 22:37
schestowitzEven the dates don't alignOct 10 22:38
yuhongI am not convinced either.Oct 10 22:38
schestowitzUnless Microsoft predicted the patchOct 10 22:38
schestowitzBut...Oct 10 22:38
schestowitzIt's good that you put it out there publiclyOct 10 22:38
schestowitzWe can revisit this later :-)Oct 10 22:38
schestowitzWhat's the /, submissioin?Oct 10 22:38
schestowitzMicrosoft is exploiting swine flu now to pimp itselfOct 10 22:39
schestowitzNo shame to these people...Oct 10 22:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] OpenGL 3.2 and More http://post.ly/81lXOct 10 22:39
trmancohttp://www.aroundglobe.net/2009/10/adobe-exploit-puts-backdoor-on.htmlOct 10 22:41
phIRCeTitle: World around us: Adobe exploit puts backdoor on computers .::. Size~: 72.92 KBOct 10 22:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Programmers are... http://post.ly/81mvOct 10 22:42
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1043925/MS-FAT-LFN-patent-workaround-patch-revisedOct 10 22:42
phIRCeTitle: Slashdot Submission | MS FAT LFN patent workaround patch revised .::. Size~: 48.31 KBOct 10 22:42
yuhongIt was just buries automatically because the hype lasted, as you said, for a week and half.Oct 10 22:43
yuhongIt was just buried automatically because the hype lasted, as you said, for a week and half.Oct 10 22:43
yuhongMS was lucky that it happened after the contribution.Oct 10 22:44
yuhongNotice that I post it only 3 to 4 days after both patches.Oct 10 22:47
yuhongAnd swine flu, yea I know.Oct 10 22:48
yuhonghttp://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/08/Another-Shocking-Warning-About-Swine-Flu-Vaccine.aspxOct 10 22:49
trmancohttp://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-scxml-20090507/Oct 10 22:49
yuhong"Vaccine safety advocates everywhere are beginning to make a serious dent. According to a recent Fox News poll, the majority of people in the US now believe the swine flu vaccine may be deadlier than the actual virus. "Oct 10 22:50
yuhongAnd on WIn7 launch parties, yea I know Ubuntu ended up competing with it's own non-bribed launch party program.Oct 10 22:51
yuhongThe interesting so is that both will be released within a week of each other.Oct 10 22:51
yuhongThe interesting thing is that both will be released within a week of each other.Oct 10 22:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Linux is evil! http://post.ly/81qROct 10 22:52
*schestowitz catches up with ircOct 10 22:54
schestowitzyuhong: not just ubuntuOct 10 22:55
schestowitzSome other big releass come around the same timeOct 10 22:55
yuhongYep, it is the typical 6 month Linux release cycle.Oct 10 22:55
yuhongAnd in the latest Ars article citing Net Apps, they verified it with it's own data.Oct 10 22:56
yuhonghttp://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/10/how-fast-are-mac-users-adopting-snow-leopard-pretty-fast.arsOct 10 22:56
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 22:56
schestowitzyuhong: I'll blog this patch laterOct 10 22:56
schestowitzyuhong: it's a small upgrade with Snow and Apple customers are rich, so they buy updatesOct 10 22:57
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10369566-17.htmlOct 10 22:58
phIRCeTitle: Sony chief: A PS3 victory is best for everyone | The Digital Home - CNET News .::. Size~: 240.62 KBOct 10 22:58
Omar87I remember there was this smart desktop capturing program that lets you grab a screenshot of all or any part of the desktop you want. Anyone knows it?Oct 10 22:58
bozo_snagitOct 10 22:58
yuhongYep, they reduced the upgrade price to just $29 for Leopard users too.Oct 10 22:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] The Simpsons then and now http://post.ly/81sTOct 10 22:59
yuhongInstead of the typical $129 with previous upgrades.Oct 10 22:59
yuhonghttp://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/05/report-apples-focus-on-premium-computers-is-paying-off.arsOct 10 23:00
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:00
yuhonghttp://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/07/apple-nabs-91-of-premium-computer-market-in-june.arsOct 10 23:00
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:00
Omar87bozo_, no, not snagit.Oct 10 23:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: via imgur.com http://tumblr.com/xkj3grggjOct 10 23:01
Omar87bozo_, it was free of charge.Oct 10 23:01
phIRCeTitle: trmanco's tumblr &mdash; via imgur.com .::. Size~: 7.76 KBOct 10 23:01
trmancomehOct 10 23:02
bozo_snagit was free originally, but I think they got $$ signs in their eyes.Oct 10 23:02
trmancoARS gives us no response header :|Oct 10 23:02
yuhongI am right now running the Windows version of Firefox inside wine to run Shockwave.Oct 10 23:02
schestowitzhttp://www.rttnews.com/Content/BreakingNews.aspx?Id=1086313Oct 10 23:02
yuhongIt crashes sometimes, but still is good enough for just running this plugin.Oct 10 23:02
trmancow3m -dump_head http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/07/apple-nabs-91-of-premium-computer-market-in-june.arsOct 10 23:02
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:02
trmancoHTTP/1.0 200 OKOct 10 23:02
trmancoConnection: closeOct 10 23:02
trmancomeh, it does :|Oct 10 23:02
yuhongphIRCe I think is a botOct 10 23:05
trmancoI know :-POct 10 23:05
Omar87bozo_, I think it's Gnome-screenshot, but I can't seem to find any decent download page for it.Oct 10 23:07
Omar87bozo_, it's not even in the Ubuntu repos.Oct 10 23:07
trmancoahOct 10 23:08
trmancoI know what the problem isOct 10 23:08
trmancolighthttpd has Content-type headerOct 10 23:09
trmancoapache has Content-Type :|Oct 10 23:10
yuhongtrmanco, I didn't realize phIRCe was your bot, now I do.Oct 10 23:10
trmanco:-POct 10 23:11
schestowitzhttp://cyberlawcases.com/2009/10/01/court-rules-again-that-vernor-can-sell-autodesk-software/Oct 10 23:11
schestowitz"[PJ: What the court, in my view, dodged were the terms of the entitlement. It may be perpetual, although I think requiring software companies to return older software is silly, but it's a perpetual license. Of course, Vernor wasn't installing or using the software, only buying it second-hand to begin with."Oct 10 23:11
phIRCeTitle: Cyberlaw Cases , Archive   » Court rules (again) that Vernor can sell Autodesk software .::. Size~: 14.69 KBOct 10 23:11
schestowitz"The judge also ignored that one firm that sold its older CDs to Vernor already admitted violating the terms of the license. I do expect an appeal.]"Oct 10 23:11
schestowitzhttp://lifehacker.com/5370738/google-wave-first-look http://mashable.com/2009/10/01/google-wave-get-started/Oct 10 23:12
phIRCeTitle: Google Wave First Look - Google Wave - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 74.21 KBOct 10 23:12
phIRCeTitle: HOW TO: Get Started with Google Wave .::. Size~: 122.73 KBOct 10 23:12
yuhongI have Intel to cover soon after I do the research.Oct 10 23:14
schestowitzhttp://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=benoit-mandelbrot-and-the-wildness-2009-03-13Oct 10 23:14
phIRCeTitle: News Blog: Benoit Mandelbrot and the wildness of financial markets .::. Size~: 94.86 KBOct 10 23:14
schestowitz"Yet before Smart was called to the stand, her alleged abductor, Mitchell, began singing a Mormon hymn as he entered the courtroom at 9 a.m. Judge Dale Kimball ordered him to stop, but he refused and was immediately sent to a holding cell to watch the proceedings via a television monitor."Oct 10 23:16
schestowitzhttp://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20309630,00.htmlOct 10 23:16
phIRCeTitle: Elizabeth Smart Testifies About Her Abduction Ordeal in Horrifying Detail - Elizabeth Smart : People.com .::. Size~: 33 KBOct 10 23:16
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trmancohttp://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/10/how-fast-are-mac-users-adopting-snow-leopard-pretty-fast.arsOct 10 23:17
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jSEZmGHM88Oct 10 23:17
phIRCeTitle: How fast are Mac users adopting Snow Leopard? Pretty fast - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 44.7 KBOct 10 23:17
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Dan Bull interview: copyright and the music industry .::. Size~: 138.14 KBOct 10 23:17
trmanco:DOct 10 23:17
trmancoplease shout and say "Tony rocks" :POct 10 23:18
schestowitzDoes it overrise robots.txt or whatever?Oct 10 23:18
trmanconoOct 10 23:18
schestowitzTony Hawks!Oct 10 23:18
trmancoI explained itOct 10 23:18
schestowitz!google tony hawksOct 10 23:18
phIRCe[1] - Tony Hawk :: Official Website | http://www.tonyhawk.com/Oct 10 23:18
phIRCe[2] - Tony Hawks | http://www.tony-hawks.com/Oct 10 23:18
phIRCe[3] - Tony Hawk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_HawkOct 10 23:18
phIRCe[4] - Tony Hawk Foundation | http://www.tonyhawkfoundation.org/Oct 10 23:18
trmanco[23:08] <trmanco> ahOct 10 23:18
trmanco[23:08] <trmanco> I know what the problem isOct 10 23:18
trmanco[23:09] <trmanco> lighthttpd has Content-type headerOct 10 23:18
trmanco[23:09] <trmanco> apache has Content-Type :|Oct 10 23:18
trmancoI think it works nowOct 10 23:18
trmancoschestowitz: start tweeting :-POct 10 23:19
trmancohttp://google.comOct 10 23:19
phIRCeTitle: Google .::. Size~: 8.3 KBOct 10 23:19
trmancogoogle has it's own serverOct 10 23:19
schestowitzWhy twit?Oct 10 23:19
trmanconamed gwsOct 10 23:19
trmancobut it Content-Type same as apacheOct 10 23:19
trmancouses*Oct 10 23:19
yuhongtrmanco, thanks for fixing it.Oct 10 23:19
trmancoyou're welcome yuhongOct 10 23:20
schestowitzI've microbloggedOct 10 23:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm finding more and more people who realise that Vista 7 will not succeed.Oct 10 23:20
schestowitzhttp://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/dell-laptop-tries-to-impress-impression-makers/?hpwOct 10 23:20
phIRCeTitle: OpenDNS .::. Size~: 2 KBOct 10 23:20
schestowitzBlechOct 10 23:20
trmancololOct 10 23:20
schestowitzIt also has a paywallOct 10 23:20
trmanconice pageOct 10 23:20
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hpOct 10 23:21
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:21
trmanco:|Oct 10 23:21
yuhongAnd BTW, Vista 7 isn't actually too bad, but Vista 8 is just redicilous.Oct 10 23:21
yuhongI mean the name.Oct 10 23:21
yuhongIs every version of Windows after Vista be prefixed with "Vista".Oct 10 23:22
trmancogrrrOct 10 23:22
trmancoServer: Sun-ONE-Web-Server/6.1Oct 10 23:22
schestowitzhttp://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0&page_id=2972&query=ta65&hiword=TA65S%20ta65Oct 10 23:22
phIRCeTitle: LE Magazine, February 2001 - As We See It: Ending The  Cancer Bureaucracy .::. Size~: 72.91 KBOct 10 23:22
yuhongEspicially since we don't know much about it yet.Oct 10 23:22
trmancosame as lighttpdOct 10 23:22
schestowitzyuhong: agreedOct 10 23:22
trmancofixing nowOct 10 23:22
schestowitzBut I started with V8Oct 10 23:22
schestowitzI have to keep upOct 10 23:22
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trmancohttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hpOct 10 23:24
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:24
trmancowtfOct 10 23:24
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] both laptops now broken. i need to fix one tomorrow. this means f being out the way for several hours. oh god.Oct 10 23:25
schestowitzhttp://www.macnn.com/articles/09/10/02/psystar.attorney.leaves.apple.team/Oct 10 23:25
phIRCeTitle: Psystar attorney quits legal team in Apple lawsuit | MacNN .::. Size~: 66.56 KBOct 10 23:25
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trmancohttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hpOct 10 23:26
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:27
trmancocrazy web serversOct 10 23:27
trmanco...Oct 10 23:27
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8292372.stmOct 10 23:28
phIRCeTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 83.57 KBOct 10 23:28
schestowitzThe titles there are always oddOct 10 23:28
trmancoless visits they getOct 10 23:28
trmancoBBC need some seo optimizations on a per post basesOct 10 23:28
trmanconeeds*Oct 10 23:28
yuhonghttp://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=91282&postcount=24Oct 10 23:28
phIRCeTitle: Phoronix Forums - View Single Post -  Intel Core i5 750, Core i7 870 Linux Benchmarks .::. Size~: 10.23 KBOct 10 23:28
DaemonFCCore i7 is overratedOct 10 23:30
DaemonFCnot that much more powerful than the Phenom II X4 but it is much more expensive and power hungryOct 10 23:31
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phIRCeTitle: COPPA - Children's Online Privacy Protection .::. Size~: 1.59 KBOct 10 23:31
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:31
trmancohttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hpOct 10 23:31
phIRCeTitle: free-as-in-node   .::. Size~: 18.42 KBOct 10 23:31
trmancocoolOct 10 23:31
phIRCeTitle: geeknic.org  .::. Size~: 53.77 KBOct 10 23:31
trmancoit's gone crazyOct 10 23:31
yuhongYes, but not my point, read my post.Oct 10 23:31
trmancohttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hpOct 10 23:31
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:32
Will__Haven't had a chance to use one, but Core 2 Duo and similar seems zippy enough for most things outside of what you'd want to throw big iron at.Oct 10 23:32
DaemonFCI'm impressed with AMD's power efficiency and priceOct 10 23:32
DaemonFCIntel's CPUs all suck thereOct 10 23:32
yuhong"Well to be fair, Intel is 100% dependent on Windows to sell CPUsOct 10 23:32
yuhongso it's no surprise they'd build their CPUs around making it as fast as possible there.Oct 10 23:32
yuhongThey don't own the server market - the Pentium/Core FSB bottleneck has always kept it behind in multithreaded performance. Atom can't compete with ARM at all - and both Intel and MS know that. Intel is at least making an effort to keep customers with Moblin, whereas MS is (as usual) resorting to desperation tactics, paying off the likes of Asus and Bestbuy to spread FUD."Oct 10 23:32
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trmanco1,2,3Oct 10 23:33
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trmanco...Oct 10 23:33
Will__DaemonFC: Well, that's ok.  At least Intel makes up for it with awesome graphics cards.... oh wait. ;)Oct 10 23:33
trmancoit should be stable nowOct 10 23:33
DaemonFCI'm not going to bother with a Intel Core i7 that costs triple or more, uses half again as much power, and is only about 15-20% faster, maybeOct 10 23:33
DaemonFCit's like, what's the point? Hummer H3 of processorsOct 10 23:34
yuhongAnd AFRIK, they just moved Core i7/i5 into the mainstream with Lynnfield, that is what the original article was about, but I am citing a comment here.Oct 10 23:34
DaemonFCyou want to put your money on a better GPU if anythingOct 10 23:34
DaemonFCdon't dick around over which CPU is a little fasterOct 10 23:34
yuhongCore i7 800 is unfortunately just as expensive and same performance as i7 900, but i5 should be cheaper.Oct 10 23:35
Will__DaemonFC: especially as GPU co-processing becomes more common.Oct 10 23:36
schestowitzhttp://cgi2.www.law.umich.edu/flashmedia/public/Default.aspx?mediaid=164Oct 10 23:36
phIRCeTitle: OpenDNS .::. Size~: 2.02 KBOct 10 23:36
yuhongAnd even with i7 800 MBs and memory should be cheaper.Oct 10 23:36
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schestowitzzelazny.freenode.net i down?Oct 10 23:36
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yuhongLynnfield has cheaper dual-channel, Bloomfield has faster triple-channell.Oct 10 23:37
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/08/nicolas-sarkozy-french-pr_n_313723.htmlOct 10 23:37
phIRCeTitle: Nicolas Sarkozy: French President Accused Of Pirating 400 DVDs .::. Size~: 132.01 KBOct 10 23:37
Will__That would be strike two, I think.Oct 10 23:40
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/173330/skype_ebay_win_patent_case_on_appeal.htmlOct 10 23:40
phIRCeTitle: Skype, EBay Win Patent Case on Appeal - Business Center - PC World .::. Size~: 42.87 KBOct 10 23:40
schestowitz"Oct 10 23:40
schestowitzPeer Communications is part of Acacia Technologies, of Newport Beach, California, which specializes in licensing and enforcing patents in its portfolio.Oct 10 23:40
schestowitz[PJ: That's the polite way to put it.]Oct 10 23:40
schestowitz"Oct 10 23:40
schestowitzPatent trollOct 10 23:40
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Omar87Okay people, listen to this troll over here: http://bit.ly/ryZsE :)Oct 10 23:40
phIRCeTitle: Eleven is Louder: We Should Stop Fighting Microsoft .::. Size~: 91.25 KBOct 10 23:40
yuhongAMD has come far from the days when it was calling Linux a "shareware" operating system.Oct 10 23:40
DaemonFCAMD has put out good stuff since I've used them, about 11 years agoOct 10 23:41
DaemonFCmy first CPU from them was the K6/2 550Oct 10 23:41
DaemonFCsame deal back then pretty much, same speed as Intel at half priceOct 10 23:42
Omar87I just wonder, why earth should we stop fighting Microsloth, while Microsloth is not even blamed for fighting Software Freedom?Oct 10 23:42
Omar87why *on* earth.....?Oct 10 23:42
yuhonghttp://membres.lycos.fr/poulot/k6bug_faq.htmlOct 10 23:42
phIRCeTitle: A Weird K6 Bug : FAQ .::. Size~: 14.4 KBOct 10 23:42
DaemonFCyuhong, affecting K6/2?Oct 10 23:42
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSL812082720091008Oct 10 23:43
yuhongThe original K6.Oct 10 23:43
yuhong"AMD recently received reports from a limited number of users havingOct 10 23:43
yuhongintermittent problems while running core re-compiles of the LinuxOct 10 23:43
yuhongshareware operating system."Oct 10 23:43
Will__Omar87: "People use microsoft because they choose to do so."  LOL.  They use microsoft because they don't think they have a real choice.Oct 10 23:44
Omar87Will__, exactly. :)Oct 10 23:44
yuhongNotice that the kernel is called "core".Oct 10 23:45
trmancowhat? on windows?Oct 10 23:45
DaemonFCmehOct 10 23:45
DaemonFCprobably incompetence more than maliceOct 10 23:45
yuhongYep.Oct 10 23:46
DaemonFCPR drone inserting a foot in the company's mouthOct 10 23:46
trmancoahOct 10 23:46
trmancojust caught upOct 10 23:46
yuhongYep, note that that was probably back in 1997 or 1998.Oct 10 23:46
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/quick-boot/ what will Microsoft do next?Oct 10 23:46
phIRCeTitle: Computer Makers Aim to Banish Boot-Up Blues  | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 114.91 KBOct 10 23:46
schestowitzhttp://money.cnn.com/2009/10/06/technology/verizon_google/?postversion=2009100608Oct 10 23:47
phIRCeTitle: Google, Verizon Wireless in an Android accord - Oct. 6, 2009  .::. Size~: 64.65 KBOct 10 23:47
schestowitzWM is dyingOct 10 23:47
schestowitzAnd "Pink" tooOct 10 23:47
schestowitzI'll do a post abt it tomorrowOct 10 23:47
trmancowtfOct 10 23:47
trmancoT-MOBILE AND MICROSOFT/DANGER STATUS UPDATE ON SIDEKICK DATA DISRUPTIONOct 10 23:47
Will__Omar87: When I see a significant number of people that are given a good introduction to alternatives and then stick with microsoft (outside of formal obligations -- work, outside programs that don't support alternatives, etc.), then I'll change my tune.  But speaking from personal experience, it just doesn't happen.  Show people something that isn't Microsoft and isn't expensive, and people tend to get very interested.Oct 10 23:47
trmancohttp://www.sidekick.com/Oct 10 23:47
yuhongYes, indeed it dates back to 1997:Oct 10 23:48
yuhonghttp://membres.lycos.fr/poulot/k6bug_news.htmlOct 10 23:48
phIRCeTitle: A Weird K6 Bug : News .::. Size~: 6.84 KBOct 10 23:48
Will__even if they do go back to microsoft, I don't care as long as they know they have a choice.Oct 10 23:49
yuhongAMD began it's x86-64 port in late 2000.Oct 10 23:52
yuhongAMD began Linux's x86-64 port in late 2000.Oct 10 23:52
Will__schestowitz:  You ever wonder if the reason for that 128-bit project for Windows 8/9 is because they are going to build an OS that actually requires more than 16 million terrabytes of memory just to run? :>Oct 10 23:53
yuhongAMD support free BIOS called coreboot while Intel has it's own EFI to push.Oct 10 23:54
Will__s/terrabytes/terabytesOct 10 23:54
DaemonFCWill__, Thought had crossed my mindOct 10 23:55
DaemonFCI lul'dOct 10 23:55
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 23:55
DaemonFCyuhong, I don't want any part of EFI, no way no howOct 10 23:55
yuhongThat is another matter though.Oct 10 23:56
schestowitzhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/448228Oct 10 23:56
schestowitz"Same here."Oct 10 23:56
phIRCeTitle: Bug #448228 in eglibc (Ubuntu): “update failure” .::. Size~: 40.75 KBOct 10 23:56
schestowitzIt's not just me having this update bug thenOct 10 23:56
trmancopackaging lapseOct 10 23:57
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html?_r=1Oct 10 23:58
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting  type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 10 23:58
schestowitz:-||||||||||||||Oct 10 23:58
schestowitzhttp://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2009/10/mehdi-hasan-bush-administration-obaOct 10 23:58
phIRCeTitle: New Statesman - Change we can’t believe in .::. Size~: 40.08 KBOct 10 23:58
schestowitzWow. Watch the photo.Oct 10 23:58
trmancohttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10368709-56.htmlOct 10 23:59
phIRCeTitle: Major outage hits T-Mobile Sidekick users | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 128.84 KBOct 10 23:59
trmancoold but did you read thisOct 10 23:59

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