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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 11th, 2009

trmancoit's related with the link I gave before that oneOct 11 00:00
schestowitzOne in three votes for Karzai fraudulent, says US diplomat < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/04/afghanistan-elections-peter-galbraith-un >Oct 11 00:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A call for Obama to change Bush's policies: http://bit.ly/n2cIoOct 11 00:00
phIRCeTitle: New Statesman - Change we can’t believe in .::. Size~: 40.08 KBOct 11 00:00
bozo_128bit refers more to the data bus size than the address size, and it will be to take advantage of the 128bit GPU's that are now being used as processors.Oct 11 00:00
schestowitzhttp://ubuntumanual.org/posts/250/install-amarok-2-2-sunjammer-in-ubuntu-in-3-easy-to-do-stepsOct 11 00:01
phIRCeTitle: Install Amarok 2.2 Sunjammer in Ubuntu in 3 easy-to-do steps | Ubuntu Manual .::. Size~: 28.99 KBOct 11 00:01
trmancohttp://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/57628/t-mobile-apologizes-for-sidekick-outage-offers-a-months-free-data/Oct 11 00:01
trmancothey lost their dataOct 11 00:02
schestowitzBTW, bozo_ is MUTEXOct 11 00:02
trmancobut you won't use all it's functionality, at least in jauntyOct 11 00:03
schestowitzFor those who haven't recognised the style yetOct 11 00:03
trmancoyeahOct 11 00:03
bozo_Schestowitz ??? what's you're point ?Oct 11 00:03
schestowitz*LOL*Oct 11 00:03
schestowitzMicrosoft gave them a sidekiackOct 11 00:03
trmancoconfirmedOct 11 00:03
schestowitzbozo_: stop nymshiftingOct 11 00:04
schestowitzit's bad enough that you ban-evadeOct 11 00:04
Omar87Will__, Yeah, agreed. I found the same phenomenon here in Jordan too.Oct 11 00:04
bozo_what would I be baned from, can you link any post I have ever made here that is any more then disagreeing with you ?Oct 11 00:04
schestowitzIt's not the reason you were bannedOct 11 00:06
bozo_yes, it was, or why else was it ?Oct 11 00:06
bozo_I know I dont take everything you say as truth, and I check your facts, why do you have a problem with that ?Oct 11 00:07
yuhongI don't agree entirely with everything on the site either, but do contribute some useful stuff.Oct 11 00:10
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bozo_so do i.Oct 11 00:11
trmancohahaOct 11 00:11
trmancoeven betterOct 11 00:11
trmancohttp://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/10/t-mobile-sidekick-disaster-microsofts-servers-crashed-and-they-dont-have-a-backup/Oct 11 00:11
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trmancosee titleOct 11 00:11
trmanco"Wow. T-Mobile and Danger, the Microsoft-owned subsidiary that makes the Sidekick, has just announced that they’ve likely lost all user data that was being stored on Microsoft’s servers due to a server failure."Oct 11 00:13
trmancohahaOct 11 00:13
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4983 "Traitor (56%)"Oct 11 00:14
schestowitzIt was 40% beforehandOct 11 00:14
schestowitz"Do you consider Miguel de Icaza leader in open source or a traitor?"Oct 11 00:14
schestowitzI'v cast my voteOct 11 00:14
schestowitzbozo_: stick with the old nameOct 11 00:15
schestowitzWe'll give you another chance. It's abuse that had you banned months agoOct 11 00:15
bozo_What abuse please Mr Schestowitz ??Oct 11 00:15
MinceRhow many chances did he get so far?Oct 11 00:15
bozo_chances for what ?Oct 11 00:15
trmancoI have no ban list :|Oct 11 00:16
schestowitztrmanco: Get the FactsOct 11 00:16
schestowitzHow about it happening to LSEOct 11 00:16
schestowitz"Oops. We lost all the bank data"Oct 11 00:16
trmancobut this is more funnyOct 11 00:16
schestowitz"Let's start over"Oct 11 00:16
trmancothe LSE didn't loose dataOct 11 00:16
trmancothey just had some downtimeOct 11 00:17
schestowitzMicrosoft ruined DangerOct 11 00:17
schestowitzTheir reputation is dead for goodOct 11 00:17
trmancoI would consider this worse if the LSE wasn't a stock exchange thingOct 11 00:17
schestowitzBut anyway, it fits well in a post tomorrow about WMOct 11 00:17
trmancoWM?Oct 11 00:19
schestowitzhttp://insidesocal.com/click/2009/10/ubuntu-904-im-feeling-pretty-g.htmlOct 11 00:19
schestowitzWindows MobOct 11 00:19
trmancoWacky Microsoft?Oct 11 00:19
trmancoahOct 11 00:19
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/LinuxCon-Presentations-Available-Online.Oct 11 00:19
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schestowitzI'm gonna use these faily nowOct 11 00:19
schestowitz*dailyOct 11 00:19
trmancodot dotOct 11 00:19
schestowitzhttp://wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/news/windows-8-to-be-128-bit-operating-system.htmlOct 11 00:21
yuhongReminds me of the Wacky Mackey nickname for John Mackey.Oct 11 00:21
schestowitzVapourware propaganationOct 11 00:21
schestowitz*propagationOct 11 00:21
schestowitzAnd propaganda too :-)Oct 11 00:21
schestowitzhttp://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/2009/10/05/administrative-and-social-meeting-12th-october/Oct 11 00:22
phIRCeTitle: Administrative and Social Meeting  12th October «  Manchester Free Software .::. Size~: 7.79 KBOct 11 00:22
schestowitzWhy Waterhouse? http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/54/5490/Waterhouse/ManchesterOct 11 00:23
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trmancohttp://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/2009/10/05/administrative-and-social-meeting-12th-october/Oct 11 00:32
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trmanco:|Oct 11 00:32
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trmancohttp://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/2009/10/05/administrative-and-social-meeting-12th-october/Oct 11 00:34
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trmancomehOct 11 00:34
trmancoI don't know what the problem is :|Oct 11 00:34
schestowitzSomething in konvOct 11 00:34
schestowitzit's OK in other clientsOct 11 00:34
schestowitzWeird character thereOct 11 00:34
schestowitzOct 11 00:34
schestowitztestOct 11 00:34
schestowitzsee?Oct 11 00:34
trmancololOct 11 00:34
schestowitztest test testOct 11 00:35
trmanco:|Oct 11 00:35
trmancoso the bot is ok? :-POct 11 00:35
schestowitzJust sanitise itOct 11 00:35
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/11/microsoft-migrations-stories/Oct 11 00:37
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yuhong"In that case, they would go above the CIO’s head and pitch their wares directly to the CEO and then they were generally successful."Oct 11 00:37
yuhongEven though in many of these cases the CEO don't know anything much about IT.Oct 11 00:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 2000th tweet! How much of my life have I wasted?Oct 11 00:38
yuhongI think MS targets MBAs who only cares about numbers and only cares about "maximizing shareholder value", and most of them have no domain knowledge.]Oct 11 00:39
yuhongYep, it is another mess altogether.Oct 11 00:39
yuhongYep, that itself is another mess altogether.Oct 11 00:40
yuhonghttp://thenextwavefutures.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/the-end-of-shareholder-value/Oct 11 00:40
phIRCeTitle: The end of shareholder value? « thenextwave .::. Size~: 23.19 KBOct 11 00:40
yuhongLooks like smart quotes.Oct 11 00:41
yuhongAnd 0x13 looks like a long slash.Oct 11 00:42
trmancoI am striping about ox13Oct 11 00:43
trmanco0x13*Oct 11 00:43
yuhongIt looks like a slashOct 11 00:43
trmanco[0-9a-z]Oct 11 00:43
trmancowell, time to get goingOct 11 00:46
trmancognOct 11 00:46
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schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139192/Google_patches_DoS_vulnerabilities_in_AndroidOct 11 00:47
schestowitzyuhong: agreedOct 11 00:48
yuhongSee how they use statitics like ROI to justify Microsoft software.Oct 11 00:49
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schestowitzyuhong: yes, charts and stuffOct 11 00:50
schestowitzThey adapt to the target audienceOct 11 00:50
schestowitzNot engineers]Oct 11 00:50
schestowitzThat's how they get into LSE and the lieskOct 11 00:50
schestowitz*likesOct 11 00:50
schestowitzhttp://caas.tmcnet.com/topics/web-2/articles/66271-bonitasoft-joins-ow2-consortium.htmOct 11 00:50
yuhongI would download except that the last commit was 3 days ago.Oct 11 00:50
yuhongWhy the CEO would meddle into IT when he don't know anything about IT is another mess altogether.Oct 11 00:51
yuhongI think MS targets MBAs who only cares about numbers and only cares about "maximizing shareholder value", and most of them have no domain knowledge at all, another mess altogether.Oct 11 00:53
yuhonghttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/10/1818249/Windows-Server-Trusts-Samba4-Active-Directory?art_pos=5Oct 11 00:54
yuhong"Although Samba v4 is still in the alpha stages, this is a huge step for open source. Or it could be a trap."Oct 11 00:54
yuhongWhat do you think?Oct 11 00:54
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schestowitzyuhong: Microsoft uses LikeWiseOct 11 00:56
schestowitzThey might at some stage say patent stuff about Samba and try to sell LikeWise like they sell NovellOct 11 00:56
schestowitzBut we can't know ywtOct 11 00:56
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/23/likewise-as-microsoft-trojan/Oct 11 00:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] well, another day, another defeat for the Scots. At least we played a bit better this timeOct 11 00:57
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yuhongAnd the NVIDIA IGPs are going to die with graphics going into the CPU, good riddense since they are the only one that rely on non-free drivers for 3D.Oct 11 01:16
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schestowitz"It seems the author is trying to milk as much as he can from his interview with Richard Stallman." Ex-actly! http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-10-002-35-IN-SW-LL-0000Oct 11 01:25
schestowitzBruce plays that old line again http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Writing-about-FOSS-sexismOct 11 01:28
schestowitzSexism is an IT problem, not a FOSS problemOct 11 01:28
schestowitzhttp://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601127&sid=auEdN89spBroOct 11 01:41
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schestowitz10 Stunning Pumpkin Carvings  http://www.womansday.com/Articles/Family-Lifestyle/Holidays/10-Stunning-Pumpkin-Carvings.htmlOct 11 01:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the #LargeHadronCollider < http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211/ >Oct 11 01:44
schestowitzWhen Public Power Is Used for Private Gain http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/08/when-public-power-is-used-forOct 11 01:45
schestowitzhttp://nat.org/blog/2009/10/obsoleting-hotels/Oct 11 01:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nouveau and #ATI Make Linux Progress http://ur1.ca/dcfb http://ur1.ca/dcfcOct 11 02:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 10.04 and #Fedora 13 Expected to Have !GNOME 3.0 http://bit.ly/HdtUgOct 11 02:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #TinyCore #Linux 2.4is Out http://bit.ly/2qDwS8Oct 11 02:17
cubezzzwhere's the interview though?Oct 11 02:17
schestowitzFrugal tech show or something lik thatOct 11 02:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva #Linux 2010 Just a Small Step Away from Final Release http://ur1.ca/dcft http://ur1.ca/dcfuOct 11 02:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Turns 10 and Keeps Growing, Spreading http://ur1.ca/dcfz http://ur1.ca/dcg0 http://ur1.ca/dcg1Oct 11 02:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian on Boarding of Winning Robot #Submarine http://bit.ly/4HwUBOct 11 02:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat #Virtualisation Targets Also Desktops http://bit.ly/V0vOEOct 11 02:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Gain Fast at Expense of Proprietary Platforms http://ur1.ca/dcgf http://ur1.ca/dcgg http://ur1.ca/dcghOct 11 02:36
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DaemonFChttp://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/826Oct 11 03:26
DaemonFC$100 quad core CPUOct 11 03:26
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cubezzzI was thinking a bit about Facebook and I've come to the conclusion that I don't like itOct 11 04:17
cubezzznot only is it non-FOSS it's dog slowOct 11 04:18
cubezzzturtle slow evenOct 11 04:18
cubezzzand the media manages to confuse open source and free source againOct 11 04:30
*bozo_ is now known as mutex_Oct 11 04:37
*tessier sighs at the EUOct 11 04:54
tessierA ballot screen, which MS will surely find a way to rig in their favor (such as viewing it in IE), won't undo 10+ years worth of damage.Oct 11 04:55
Omar87There is this feature that I really miss in MS Office Powerpoint though, to be honest.Oct 11 05:12
Omar87The feature of being able to draw illustrations with pens and highlighting or underlining parts of the text.Oct 11 05:14
tessierpens?Oct 11 05:14
Omar87I believe it would be a great idea if they provide something similar in the OO.o release.Oct 11 05:15
Omar87tessier, I meant those tools you find when right-clicking during a slideshow, and choosing "Change cursor" or whatever that particular tab is named.Oct 11 05:16
Omar87You'll find a set of tools to choose from, like normal pen, ball-pen, highlighter... etc.Oct 11 05:17
Omar87You can even change the ink color.Oct 11 05:19
Omar87I wonder why OO.o still lacks this feature.Oct 11 05:19
Omar87I'm even thinking of writing an article about that.Oct 11 05:20
DaemonFCOmar87, Just write the feature yourselfOct 11 05:34
DaemonFCstandard answer number 1Oct 11 05:34
DaemonFCB-)Oct 11 05:34
cubezzzyou beat me to itOct 11 05:34
Omar87DaemonFC, lol.Oct 11 05:35
Omar87DaemonFC, but what I have no experience in the field of programming? :)Oct 11 05:36
DaemonFCOmar87, Then I would say that you should learnOct 11 05:36
DaemonFCbecause everyone shouldOct 11 05:36
DaemonFC;)Oct 11 05:36
cubezzzwell...Oct 11 05:36
Omar87DaemonFC, that's right.Oct 11 05:37
DaemonFCnobody has anything better to do than learn multiple computer programming languages so they can implement the missing features they need to do......their job withOct 11 05:37
Omar87DaemonFC, I have to agree. :)Oct 11 05:37
DaemonFCwhat part of this does not make sense to you?Oct 11 05:37
DaemonFCand you can always assume that when you learn 5 languages and write all the missing features that the developer clique will accept your patchesOct 11 05:37
DaemonFCbecause they always doOct 11 05:38
cubezzzthat part doesn't matterOct 11 05:38
cubezzzyou have your own fixesOct 11 05:38
cubezzzor features, or patches, whateverOct 11 05:38
cubezzzif your patches are good and it's not the kernel, they'll probably go inOct 11 05:43
cubezzzbut you can't assume they willOct 11 05:43
Omar87cubezzz, DaemonFC, ya know?Oct 11 05:44
Omar87From now on this is what I'm gonna do.Oct 11 05:44
Omar87I will try my best to expand my Python adventure to include Java, Ruby and perhaps even PHP.Oct 11 05:45
cubezzzlet's not make broad generalizations like "nobody has anything better to do"Oct 11 05:47
cubezzzsince we already know that's not trueOct 11 05:47
Omar87cubezzz, agreed.Oct 11 05:49
DaemonFCcubezzz, Sarcasm is lost in plaintextOct 11 05:57
DaemonFCI keep overlooking thatOct 11 05:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] At #fosscomm meeting at hbcse . Round table is fullOct 11 06:39
cubezzzwow, just listening to the windows radio show is soberingOct 11 06:58
cubezzzwhich is odd since it started with Stallman at the beginningOct 11 06:59
cubezzzor pc radio showOct 11 06:59
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cubezzzthis didn't work, that didn't work, damn I'm glad I'm out of that crapOct 11 07:46
cubezzz"where the hell is the rescue disk"Oct 11 07:46
cubezzzthere isn't one, too bad emachines userOct 11 07:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Seen as the Right Route for #India http://ur1.ca/dcsjOct 11 08:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Netgear Responds to Accusations of Dishonouring the #GPL http://ur1.ca/dcsm http://ur1.ca/dcsnOct 11 08:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US #Patent System is Broken, Further Erosion of Freedom Evident http://ur1.ca/dcst http://ur1.ca/dcsu #swpatOct 11 09:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] "massive #data #failure threatens to put a dark cloud over #Microsoft 's ' #software plus services' strategy. " http://ur1.ca/dctoOct 11 09:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Killing #WindowsMobile http://ur1.ca/dct1 http://ur1.ca/dct2Oct 11 09:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Attempts at Own #Phones Failing Already http://ur1.ca/dct3 http://ur1.ca/dct4 http://ur1.ca/dct5Oct 11 09:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Wipes Data of Very Many Customers http://ur1.ca/dcqz #majorfailOct 11 09:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Latest Portable Media Player Fails Upon Arrival http://ur1.ca/dcta http://ur1.ca/dctb #zuneOct 11 09:12
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oiaohmHmm wonder if the portable failure will make nvidia more friendly.Oct 11 09:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Trojans -- Not Phishing -- Blamed for Microsoft's Account Compromise http://ur1.ca/dctnOct 11 09:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ECIS and #Opera Oppose Microsoft's Deal in #Europe http://ur1.ca/dctp http://ur1.ca/dctqOct 11 09:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's #PR Department ( #WaggenerEdstrom ) Caught Playing Dirty http://ur1.ca/dctzOct 11 09:41
schestowitzoiaohm: as in open source?Oct 11 09:53
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nonprofit Dumps Microsoft for #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/dcsxOct 11 09:57
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oiaohmschestowitz: yup as in open source specs for the chip in the zune hd have been really hard to get hands onOct 11 10:13
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oiaohmhttp://trombonechamp.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/the-situation-now-2019/  Nice laugh of a readOct 11 10:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Against Transparency: The perils of openness in government. http://ur1.ca/dcvn @lessigOct 11 10:18
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Had a lot of fun with Julian yesterday night. He brought his VIAO laptop and installed Windows XP Pro and later Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare.Oct 11 10:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] He installed Ubuntu almost by him self. Loved it it. He was very enthousiast about the package- and update manager.Oct 11 10:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Next week we'll install #Fedora as dualboot. He hates DOS and has absolute no experience with #Linux. Fortunately his lover can help him ;-)Oct 11 11:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] playing old Perth indie rock to Freda. Manikins 1979 tape, "Love At Second Sight" and "Premonition". Lost punk pop classics.Oct 11 11:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Lab Leader Leaves the Company, #Olympic Committee at Risk of Microsoft Influence http://ur1.ca/dcwuOct 11 11:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s PR Department #WaggenerEdstrom Dishonestly Handles Damage Control http://ur1.ca/dcwvOct 11 11:51
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Hi Marty! Hope youre well...Oct 11 12:05
oiaohmhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139210/What_s_replacing_P2P_BitTorrent_as_pirate_hangouts_  Sometimes you have to wonder.Oct 11 12:11
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oiaohmThe major advantage of P2P is the person who started it could disconnect and disappear.Oct 11 12:11
mutex_except when you download a movie like Blues Brothers, and find out it's in spannishOct 11 12:13
oiaohmSafe harbors don't say secretOct 11 12:15
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Parties Behind Complaints Against #Microsoft in #EU Not Pleased http://ur1.ca/dcy6 #opera #ecisOct 11 12:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Uses #NASA and #SwineFlu to Advance Own Agenda http://bit.ly/1CbLPQOct 11 12:20
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phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Uses NASA and Swine Flu to Advance Own Agenda | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.43 KBOct 11 12:20
trmancohttp://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/10/10/t-mobile-microsoft-lost-all-the-sidekick-backups/Oct 11 12:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] T-Mobile: Microsoft Lost All the Sidekick Backups: http://is.gd/4dsjh || Oops!Oct 11 12:22
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schestowitzAhhh.. it's just dataOct 11 12:27
schestowitz"We'll get you another one"Oct 11 12:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Continues Downward Slide http://bit.ly/4e67dJOct 11 12:28
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schestowitzThere seems to be lag hereOct 11 12:29
schestowitzidentica doesn't send to twitter the messagesOct 11 12:29
trmancohttp://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/09/motorola-to-limo-sorry-were-with-android-now/Oct 11 12:33
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schestowitzLiMo employs anti-RMS shillsOct 11 12:49
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cubezzzdidn't realize Paul Allen lost so much moneyOct 11 12:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Even Some Big #Windows Fans Worry About #Vista7 http://bit.ly/3X9Zj3Oct 11 13:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Parties Behind Complaints Against #Microsoft in #EU Not Pleased http://ur1.ca/dcy6 #opera #ecisOct 11 13:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Pays #IDC (Again) to Assist #Government Lobbying http://bit.ly/jZF6SOct 11 13:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Yo Jonbo, I'm fine (never felt so good before). Hope you are well as well ;-)Oct 11 13:05
trmancohttp://www.perrier.eu.org/weblog/2009/10/01#devel-countriesOct 11 13:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Uses #NASA and #SwineFlu to Advance Own Agenda http://bit.ly/1CbLPQOct 11 13:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Pays #IDC (Again) to Assist #Government Lobbying http://bit.ly/jZF6SOct 11 13:16
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Uses NASA and Swine Flu to Advance Own Agenda | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.43 KBOct 11 13:16
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Pays IDC (Again) to Assist Government Lobbying | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.95 KBOct 11 13:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Even Some Big #Windows Fans Worry About #Vista7 http://bit.ly/3X9Zj3Oct 11 13:17
phIRCeTitle: Even Some Big Windows Fans Worry About Vista 7 | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.5 KBOct 11 13:17
trmancohttp://www.itwire.com/content/view/28410/53/Oct 11 13:21
trmancooh blame the cloud nowOct 11 13:21
trmanco...Oct 11 13:21
Diablo-D3except there was no cloud thereOct 11 13:21
Diablo-D3thats why they lost dataOct 11 13:21
Diablo-D3it was a very small scale storage clusterOct 11 13:21
Diablo-D3where by cluster I mean a single computer with lots of drives plugged into itOct 11 13:22
trmancooh, and the don't do backupsOct 11 13:22
trmanco...Oct 11 13:23
trmancothey*Oct 11 13:23
oiaohmEven a cluster and have a major drive screw up Diablo-D3Oct 11 13:23
oiaohmBackups should have been done.Oct 11 13:23
Diablo-D3yeah, I was about to say thatOct 11 13:24
Diablo-D3where the fuck are the backupsOct 11 13:24
Diablo-D3I hope there is a giant fucking class action suiteOct 11 13:24
Diablo-D3all 10 users should be millionares after thisOct 11 13:24
schestowitzI'm doing a post about it ATMOct 11 13:24
trmancoa paid service with now backupsOct 11 13:24
Diablo-D3actually, heres an even bigger questionOct 11 13:25
trmancono*Oct 11 13:25
Diablo-D3cant you back up your own data?Oct 11 13:25
mutex_it's the first rule in computing !Oct 11 13:25
trmancohuh, we need to ask one of it's usersOct 11 13:25
oiaohmMS does not provide a system interface to sync it off there site Diablo-D3Oct 11 13:26
Diablo-D3I meant directly off the phoneOct 11 13:26
trmancoit was a sync service for cell phones so I would say yesOct 11 13:26
oiaohmMost other cloud services provide some form of backup system.Oct 11 13:26
Diablo-D3see aboveOct 11 13:26
Diablo-D3cant you back up your own phone with your own computer?Oct 11 13:26
*Diablo-D3 must gwibber thisOct 11 13:26
trmancono ideaOct 11 13:26
trmancoLOLOct 11 13:26
oiaohmNot always possible to get to computer to do it Diablo-D3Oct 11 13:27
Diablo-D3oiaohm: then microsoft should prepare their anus with copious amounts of lubeOct 11 13:27
*trmanco might ChoqoK thisOct 11 13:27
oiaohmAlso not all phones have usb link kits.Oct 11 13:27
trmancotranslation please?Oct 11 13:27
oiaohmIe you need the link kit to download off some phones.Oct 11 13:28
oiaohmNot all phones can you get it.Oct 11 13:28
trmancoI was referring to Diablo-D3 sentenceOct 11 13:28
trmancothe majority of today's phones connect to computersOct 11 13:29
oiaohmtrmanco: He is meaning they are going to get there assed sued off.Oct 11 13:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] There is some serious lag in identica->twiter traffic today (hours). Sorry for dupes.Oct 11 13:29
trmancoyou don't need usb, you can use bluetooth or really the out dated infrared syncsOct 11 13:29
trmancobut who? Danger or Microsoft? :-POct 11 13:30
oiaohmThere are still models without dependable bluetooth and they don't have infrared sync.Oct 11 13:30
oiaohmtrmanco: MicrosoftOct 11 13:30
trmancoright, danger is a microsoft companyOct 11 13:30
oiaohmMicrosoft risks there asss sued off over lost data.Oct 11 13:31
oiaohmWhat they quite deserve.  Why be running a online service without backups of your own.Oct 11 13:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Pink is Already Declared Dead and Danger Dies with Permanent Data Loss http://ur1.ca/dd3yOct 11 13:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #T3 is Partly Owned by #Microsoft Now http://bit.ly/xogsqOct 11 14:11
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oiaohmhttp://www.itpro.co.uk/blogs/daveyw/2009/10/11/microsoft-reveals-time-based-licensing-model/  GreatOct 11 14:44
phIRCeTitle: IT PRO: Blogs: Davey Winder:   Microsoft reveals time-based licensing model .::. Size~: 93.38 KBOct 11 14:44
oiaohmJust when you though MS licences could not get any more annoying.Oct 11 14:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Adds to #Novell ’s Hostility Towards the #FreeSoftwareFoundation http://bit.ly/Fqx0D #gnu #gnuOct 11 15:02
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mutex_LOL MS's "patch tuesday" 13 bullitins in the 13th, I wonder if they will releases the 13 patches at 13:13 ?Oct 11 15:07
mutex_"Huston we have a problem"Oct 11 15:07
trmanco hehOct 11 15:15
trmanco13:13:13Oct 11 15:15
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Don't you love it when "analysts" use a #buzzword wrong? http://ur1.ca/dd2x #cloud #microsoftOct 11 15:21
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Hotmail and #Gmail Data Breach Potentially Due to #Windows #Trojan http://bit.ly/3onSQFOct 11 15:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] laptop-alost-fixed-just-one-key-not-working.ake-that-two.Oct 11 16:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Playing Nurse With Wound. Both teens react like I shat in their ears. I believe this is the effect industrial music was supposed to have.Oct 11 16:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] `1234567890-qwertyuiop[]asdfghjkl;'#\zxcvbnm,./ Much better. Now just need the plus/equals and the left-alt. And left mouse.Oct 11 16:26
DaemonFCI may finally be able to actually use the X86-64 version of FreeBSD now that I won't have an Nvidia cardOct 11 16:28
schestowitzBSD?Oct 11 16:28
DaemonFCNvidia seems to be pretty dead set on not helping FOSS at all, even when the patch would be trivialOct 11 16:28
DaemonFCunless the license necessitates itOct 11 16:28
DaemonFCyeah, I was using 32-bit FreeBSD with a PAE kernel so my Nvidia card could workOct 11 16:29
DaemonFCNvidia has now gone 4 years without supporting X86-64 BSDsOct 11 16:30
DaemonFCapparently the Radeon HD line works fineOct 11 16:30
DaemonFCit's been a long long long time since I've used an ATI Radeon, so long that I think it was a 9800 Pro on regular PCI bus with 128 megs of RAMOct 11 16:32
DaemonFC:)Oct 11 16:32
DaemonFCI'm not counting this integrated 200m in this old laptopOct 11 16:32
DaemonFCthe CPU of that system was a 2.93 Ghz Celeron D (Pentium 4 based), and it was two things, hot and slowOct 11 16:33
DaemonFCthink it came with XP and I had 512 megs of RAM in itOct 11 16:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] WORK YOU COCKING THINGOct 11 16:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 6Oct 11 16:34
DaemonFCI had it for a few years and got rid of it cause it wouldn't play Doom 3Oct 11 16:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Nice to hear you so happy, love your new picture btw. Regards.Oct 11 16:37
schestowitzI've gotta run. bblOct 11 16:45
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Omar87Hi all.Oct 11 16:57
DaemonFCOmar87, The new Hate Crimes bill is finally going to pass after 11 yearsOct 11 16:59
DaemonFCthey attached it to a funding measure for the Department of Defense so that the Republicans have to vote for itOct 11 16:59
DaemonFC:)Oct 11 16:59
Omar87DaemonFC, what are you talking about?Oct 11 17:01
DaemonFCthe new law will make it a federal crime to assault someone due to age, race, religion, sex, disability, or sexual orientationOct 11 17:01
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DaemonFCit would be nice if they could work in the healthcare reform bill in pieces attached to things that had to passOct 11 17:02
DaemonFCthey need to start playing hardball like this and I'm glad they finally see itOct 11 17:02
DaemonFCI don't care what they have to do to get this stuff done, so long as they get it doneOct 11 17:03
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard_ActOct 11 17:04
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DaemonFCthere it isOct 11 17:04
DaemonFCthe religious far right are up in arms over itOct 11 17:08
DaemonFCthey think it's their God-given right to murder people they disagree with or incite violence against themOct 11 17:09
DaemonFCthere already are sensible limits on freedom of speech, you can't expect to yell "FIRE!!!" in a crowded movie theater and not expect to be charged with a crime if you're lyingOct 11 17:10
DaemonFCwhy should these right wingnut pastors get to say "God hates so and so, they should be STRUCK DOWN and SMITTEN!!!"Oct 11 17:11
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DaemonFCthat's basically just telling someone else to go murder someone for youOct 11 17:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Giving KDE 4.3.2 a look...having always preferred Gnome I want to see if it lives up to everything Ive read. #linux #foss #kde #gnomeOct 11 17:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Chance meeting. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/15417.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/529374.htmlOct 11 17:29
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DaemonFCthe neighbor got back from Michigan with a bunch of a brand of hot dogs they only sell thereOct 11 17:29
DaemonFCseveral people from Michigan told me they were good so I had her get me a 0 packOct 11 17:29
DaemonFC*40Oct 11 17:30
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_goblinhi allOct 11 17:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/l4q5a - My son in high spirits after removing MONO from his favorite Linux distro...Ballmer doesn't frighten him!Oct 11 17:36
DaemonFChehOct 11 17:37
DaemonFCBanshee was actually one of my favorite appsOct 11 17:37
DaemonFCmaybe if they fix Last FM I'll start using it againOct 11 17:37
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DaemonFCI like how it sorts my portable player better than Rhythmbox and how it color codes the space used and what's using the space, like different colors on the bar for music, pics, videos, etc.Oct 11 17:39
DaemonFCwould be nice if someone spent a minimal amount of effort doing that in RhythmboxOct 11 17:39
DaemonFCBanshee does kind of half work on Windows, but it's not something you'd use yetOct 11 17:40
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DaemonFCit's always nice when your favorite apps are cross platformOct 11 17:41
DaemonFCI don't need to relearn my web browser to use Firefox on Windows, OS X, Linux, the BSDs, etc.Oct 11 17:41
DaemonFCwhy can't more apps that are supposedly FOSS be ported or cross compiled? (Sometimes that's all it takes)Oct 11 17:41
DaemonFCthat was really my favorite thing about Opera back when Firefox didn't exist, Netscape was god awful, and IE was Windows only and god awfulOct 11 17:42
DaemonFCOpera worked equally well on every platform, with the same interface, I even paid the $39 to register it cause I hate having to use different apps on every systemOct 11 17:43
DaemonFCuser experience is pretty uneven and shocking between Windows apps, and it seems Linux is getting more like thatOct 11 17:44
DaemonFCthe fact that there are so many core utilities that people need that are maintained outside the desktop environment or with older versions of the toolkit, or maybe they violate the desktop's human interface guidelineOct 11 17:45
DaemonFCthis needs to be fixedOct 11 17:45
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trmanco...Oct 11 17:49
_goblinhi!Oct 11 17:49
trmancohelloOct 11 17:49
_goblinwho's slated?Oct 11 17:49
_goblinand why is freenode giving out ops?Oct 11 17:49
trmancohomerOct 11 17:50
_goblinahOct 11 17:50
_goblindoh.Oct 11 17:50
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_goblinjust finishing off housework for when the wife and kids return home...got loads done today.Oct 11 17:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple ’s, #Microsoft ’s and the #GatesFoundation ’s Games with #IntellectualMonopolies http://ur1.ca/ddbjOct 11 17:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft , #Google , and the Impact on #FreeSoftware Revisited http://bit.ly/omtWMOct 11 17:52
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phIRCeHello World!Oct 11 17:53
trmancohehOct 11 17:53
trmancoadded some sort of module support to the botOct 11 17:53
DaemonFCit just seems to me that things are getting prioritized wrong in both GNOME and KDE and that features that have been desperately needed for 5+ years are taking a back seat to re-writing Pidgin (Empathy/GNOME) or implementing desktop widgets that nobody cares about or asked forOct 11 17:53
DaemonFCthere doesn't seem to be any uniform, consistent "pipeline" for new features or a "corrective action plan" for the many gaping holesOct 11 17:54
DaemonFCon Windows and Mac these things get sorted out by "third party developers" because they're interested in making a product people will pay for or whoring out space for ads like in the many instant messengersOct 11 17:55
DaemonFCmoney and the prospect for more money keeps things flowing smoothlyOct 11 17:56
DaemonFCwhich is why I've mentioned many times that it would be nice if GNOME or KDE put bounties on featuresOct 11 17:56
DaemonFCtheir complaint has been not enough time or resources or developers or interestOct 11 17:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive dont the housework so going through the latest release of Mandriva (KDE) mmm....Will this Gnome fan be converted? #linux #fossOct 11 17:57
DaemonFCI bet if you put a thousand dollar bounty on getting video chat to work in Empathy across MSN, Yahoo, etc. these micro-donations would flow in and SOMEONE would implement itOct 11 17:58
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DaemonFCright now it's some developer(s) implementing the pieces they care about personally and then they stopOct 11 17:59
DaemonFCand FOSS is plagued with thatOct 11 17:59
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DaemonFCI just got a 32" HDTV for $200 and free shippingOct 11 18:08
DaemonFCgo me :)Oct 11 18:09
DaemonFCthis should go well in the bedroomOct 11 18:09
mutex_Hows your health  going DaemonFC ?Oct 11 18:11
DaemonFCmutex_, much better than last week, still hurts, healing a little bit every dayOct 11 18:12
DaemonFCthanks for asking :)Oct 11 18:12
DaemonFCI estimate another 10 days or so before I'm 100%Oct 11 18:12
mutex_good to hear,Oct 11 18:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga soundtracker mods....Currently playing "Enigma" from the demo of the same name...Oct 11 18:13
DaemonFClife goes onOct 11 18:13
DaemonFCpain happensOct 11 18:13
DaemonFCbest to remember that it will pass and to be thankful that it willOct 11 18:14
mutex_I KNOW, ive got austio arthritis in my spine, I know pain !!Oct 11 18:14
DaemonFCouchOct 11 18:14
DaemonFCmy uncle was hit by a car on his bicycle on his way back from work about 8 years ago, even morphine only dulls the pain he's in every dayOct 11 18:15
DaemonFChe can walk short distances, but is a fall risk, and he will never get betterOct 11 18:15
DaemonFCevery time I felt like cussing at how much pain I was in, I remembered thatOct 11 18:16
DaemonFCand that after I heal, I could have another good 50-60 yearsOct 11 18:16
mutex_yes, it suck, same with this, if you have it you have it, cant to squat about it, and im not up to morph yet, but im sure if I asked I could. I just live on Panadene fortesOct 11 18:16
mutex_yes, I hope so.Oct 11 18:16
DaemonFChave you tried the no mess icy hot roll on stuff?Oct 11 18:17
DaemonFCthat stuff is greatOct 11 18:17
DaemonFCwould assume it would help with moderate arthritisOct 11 18:17
mutex_no, but I sometimes use a hot water bottle on my back, so I can sit and not have to lie downOct 11 18:17
DaemonFCthere was a guy I had the misfortune to know several years ago who had arthritis at age 21Oct 11 18:18
DaemonFCI felt sorry at first then found out he was a dumbass and that it was caused by allowing a gonorrhea infection to spreadOct 11 18:19
DaemonFCpeople are stupid, they wait til they are half dead from what should have been a treatable illness with no lasting effectsOct 11 18:19
DaemonFCnow the damage to him is permanentOct 11 18:20
mutex_I expect I had it quite young as well, I just thought my back pain was sort of normal, and people here seem to think back pain is a "put on". Until I fractured a verterbrate, and got an xRay.Oct 11 18:20
mutex_about 20 years later !Oct 11 18:20
DaemonFCinjuries that heal in your 20s that you think nothing about can resurface in your 40s and cause considerable painOct 11 18:20
mutex_thats it exactly :)Oct 11 18:21
mutex_sucks being older sometimes !Oct 11 18:21
mutex_44 is not that old thoughOct 11 18:21
DaemonFCbody starts breaking down at 25 or soOct 11 18:22
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DaemonFCit's like it starts a countdown to old ageOct 11 18:22
DaemonFCmultibillion dollar herbs and crap to make people feel better about getting oldOct 11 18:23
DaemonFC:)Oct 11 18:23
DaemonFCI'm just trying to do what the doctor told meOct 11 18:24
mutex_thats always a good idea. (nearly always).Oct 11 18:24
DaemonFClose about 40 pounds, get my potassium up a bit, get my cholesterol down about 10 pointsOct 11 18:24
DaemonFCI'm not all that bad offOct 11 18:25
DaemonFC4-6 months is all that should takeOct 11 18:25
DaemonFCI'm drinking a 12 ounce glass of orange juice every day, consuming about 2000-ish caloriesOct 11 18:26
DaemonFCeating potatoes :POct 11 18:26
mutex_and bannas for pottasismOct 11 18:26
DaemonFCif it takes a year at this rate to drop 55-60 pounds, then I still accomplished the goal and then someOct 11 18:27
DaemonFCbetter not to starve it off, done that before and got real cranky and started biting peoples head offOct 11 18:27
DaemonFCand then rebounded and put it all back onOct 11 18:27
mutex_:) if I dropped 60 pounds there would be minus left of me. :)Oct 11 18:27
trmancoanybody remember this -> http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/2275/microsoft-server-crash-nearly-causes-800-plane-pile-up/Oct 11 18:30
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft server crash nearly causes 800-plane pile-up - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 117.73 KBOct 11 18:30
DaemonFCmutex_, I drink that Minute Made Light orange juiceOct 11 18:33
DaemonFCthey take half the sugar out and replace it with Splenda instead so it has 50 calories per 8 oz instead of 110Oct 11 18:34
DaemonFCprobably better for diabetics tooOct 11 18:34
DaemonFCtastes the same as normal orange juice, even has the pulp in itOct 11 18:34
mutex_thats a good ideaOct 11 18:34
DaemonFCI can't stand the no pulp stuffOct 11 18:34
DaemonFCmutex_, Does coffee help your aches?Oct 11 18:37
DaemonFCseems to ease my joint achingOct 11 18:38
mutex_now I think about it, it may to a degree, I drink a fair amount of caffineOct 11 18:38
DaemonFCexcedrin has caffeine in itOct 11 18:39
mutex_Ill have to try that if it's availablein AusOct 11 18:41
DaemonFCmutex_, It's made for migraine headachesOct 11 18:42
DaemonFCso it may say Excedrin Migraine on itOct 11 18:43
DaemonFCdon't take it with anything that has tylenol (acetaminophen)Oct 11 18:43
mutex_if used to get those rarly as well, but thankfully not for yearsOct 11 18:44
DaemonFCit has acetaminophen + some kind of caffeine, it's not normal caffeineOct 11 18:44
mutex_ahh okOct 11 18:44
DaemonFCit's formulated to be more absorbed, so two pills has 65 mg, but it hits you mire like 150-175 mg of caffeineOct 11 18:44
DaemonFClike 2-3 cups of coffeeOct 11 18:44
DaemonFC*moreOct 11 18:45
DaemonFCthey tested my vision when I went in for the EEG on Thursday, no results on EEG til tomorrowOct 11 18:46
DaemonFCbut my vision is still 20/12Oct 11 18:46
DaemonFCat least one part of my body is an overachiever, lolOct 11 18:46
mutex_lol, thats good, thats another thing going downhill, couple years ago, I realised I needed glasses are well, reading and looking.Oct 11 18:47
DaemonFCmy vision was 20/40 as a childOct 11 18:48
DaemonFCI had really good vision insurance, so I wore contacts for itOct 11 18:48
mutex_wow, ive always had excellent vision as well, (well used to)Oct 11 18:49
DaemonFCbut it got better and was 20/15 when I was 16Oct 11 18:49
DaemonFC20/12 by age 18Oct 11 18:49
DaemonFCI'll be on Medicare by next MayOct 11 18:50
DaemonFCright now I don't have any insuranceOct 11 18:50
DaemonFCso they'll up my income by the annual 3-5% in January just to take it all back and maybe then some for Medicare premiumsOct 11 18:51
DaemonFCbut it beats not having insuranceOct 11 18:51
mutex_I think in that respect I would rather be in Australia,Oct 11 18:53
DaemonFCso would IOct 11 18:53
DaemonFC:)Oct 11 18:53
DaemonFCI should have got to Canada while that door was openOct 11 18:53
DaemonFCI was too afraid of leaving thoughOct 11 18:53
DaemonFCI had an employer that was going to sponsor my work visa for two years in 2004Oct 11 18:54
DaemonFCaccording to Canadian immigration law, I could have applied for citizenship in 2006Oct 11 18:55
DaemonFCand I wouldn't have been in this no insurance, second class citizen bullshit nowOct 11 18:55
DaemonFCwhy I stayed in the United States is totally beyond meOct 11 18:55
DaemonFCI've kicked myself enough for that thoughOct 11 18:56
mutex_yes, here you can go to hospital, spend weeks in intensive care, have major surgery, cat scans and so on, and NOT ONCE was any $$$ ever mentions. totally free.Oct 11 18:56
mutex_and get the best care the country can deliver.Oct 11 18:57
DaemonFChere they basically pull the bullet out, slap a bandage on you, and tell you to get lostOct 11 18:57
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DaemonFCthen send you a $4,000 billOct 11 18:57
Omar87Hi all.Oct 11 18:57
Omar87Did my recent tweet appear here a moment before I showed up?Oct 11 18:58
DaemonFCI wish the Republicans would all just eat shit and dieOct 11 18:58
mutex_no you beat it OmarOct 11 18:58
DaemonFCthey're trying to make this country beyond worth savingOct 11 18:58
Omar87mutex_, I beat it, really?Oct 11 18:58
Omar87But I can't see it.Oct 11 18:59
mutex_it has not appered yet, so im guess you beat it :)Oct 11 18:59
Omar87Maybe it doesn't appear while I'm out of the channel..?Oct 11 19:00
mutex_might beOct 11 19:00
Omar87I'll retweet it. Just a sec.Oct 11 19:00
DaemonFCI don't think that the majority of Americans are bad, the actions of the Republicans, the more reprehensible ones, never have more than 25-30% of public supportOct 11 19:01
DaemonFCthe way the electoral system works here gives them an undue influence over our political systemOct 11 19:01
DaemonFCenough of one to stifle progress even when they're outnumbered 60/40 in the senate, 2 to 1 in the house, and the President is a DemocratOct 11 19:02
DaemonFCI wish we could just have a fire sale on all of them, every one of them must goOct 11 19:03
schestowitz_goblin: nice. you try kde4...Oct 11 19:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Seriously, #FSDaily should put more effort in monitoring the #ads that appear on the website. http://bit.ly/11cGy8Oct 11 19:04
phIRCeTitle: Seriously, FSDaily should put more effort in monitoring the ads that appear on the wbsite. | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 30.78 KBOct 11 19:04
DaemonFCa lot of FOSS related sites are getting hit with Windows 7 adsOct 11 19:04
DaemonFCit's kind of comicalOct 11 19:05
_goblinyeah, giving KDE the treatment.Oct 11 19:06
Omar87DaemonFC, the even more comical thing is that most of the ads I saw on FSDaily don't even mention Vista 7.Oct 11 19:07
Omar87http://bit.ly/173ZC3Oct 11 19:07
phIRCeTitle: Omar's FLOSS corner: Seriously, FSDaily should put more effort in monitoring the ads that appear on the website. .::. Size~: 75.58 KBOct 11 19:07
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8299951.stmOct 11 19:10
phIRCeTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 83.3 KBOct 11 19:10
schestowitz"YouTube now gets over a billion hits a day, according to a new video blog post by the founder of the website."Oct 11 19:10
schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/does-your-tech-closet-need-a-clean-out-comptia-thinks-so/?cs=36549Oct 11 19:13
phIRCeTitle: Does Your Tech Closet Need a Clean Out? CompTIA Thinks So | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 80.3 KBOct 11 19:13
schestowitzWhen not lobbying for msOct 11 19:13
schestowitzOmar87: good postOct 11 19:23
schestowitzBut it's not their faultOct 11 19:23
schestowitzThey can't choose adsOct 11 19:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Its our news…pay up! – Murdoch’s rant? http://tinyurl.com/ygr7bwa #rant #times #bloggingOct 11 19:27
phIRCeTitle: Its our news&pay up!  Murdochs rant? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 33.07 KBOct 11 19:27
trmancohttp://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/10/final-ooxml-update-part-i.htmlOct 11 19:29
phIRCeTitle: An Antic Disposition: The Final OOXML Update: Part I .::. Size~: 66.48 KBOct 11 19:29
Omar87schestowitz, I know.Oct 11 19:31
Omar87schestowitz, but there should be something that can be done to stop this bad phenomenon.Oct 11 19:32
mutex_I think it's regional as well Omar, I do not see the add you are talking about from here in AusOct 11 19:33
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Omar87mutex_, yeah, it could be.Oct 11 19:35
schestowitz_goblin: Old News are f*Oct 11 19:40
schestowitzThey won't manage to tame the InternetOct 11 19:40
Omar87schestowitz, can't they, for example, dump Google ads and increase their Ad Bard ads?Oct 11 19:40
schestowitzThat's what we didOct 11 19:40
schestowitzI'll pass all the revenue to tessierOct 11 19:41
schestowitzIt's not muchOct 11 19:41
Omar87Not much?Oct 11 19:41
schestowitzHosting is more expensiveOct 11 19:41
schestowitzOmar87: about $20/monthOct 11 19:41
Omar87Oh my God, that's nothing.Oct 11 19:42
Omar87Also, if we take under conideration that they have a dedicated server, the picture would get even worse.Oct 11 19:43
schestowitzhttp://www.mediafax.ro/engleza/romania-s-constitutional-court-rules-data-storage-law-unconstitutional-4972690Oct 11 19:44
phIRCeTitle: Romania’s Constitutional Court Rules Data Storage Law Unconstitutional - Mediafax .::. Size~: 65.8 KBOct 11 19:44
schestowitzOmar87: tessier donates space to us. It's very kind of himOct 11 19:44
schestowitzAll that comes in will go to himOct 11 19:44
DaemonFCHalo 3 must be bandwidth hogOct 11 19:45
schestowitzhttp://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2009/10/essex-police-in-dna-foi-dodge.htmlOct 11 19:45
phIRCeTitle: Essex Police in DNA FOI dodge - Big Brother Watch .::. Size~: 35.58 KBOct 11 19:45
DaemonFCmy brother is playing it and my bandwidth went from 1.2 MB/sec to like 50 KB/secOct 11 19:45
DaemonFCthat game is pissing me offOct 11 19:46
DaemonFCit's using all of the bandwidth which is just crazyOct 11 19:46
schestowitzhttp://www.france-info.com/france-politique-2009-10-11-rachida-dati-lobbyiste-354416-9-10.htmlOct 11 19:46
phIRCeTitle: Rachida Dati lobbyiste? - France - Toute l'actualité en France -  France Info  .::. Size~: 56.33 KBOct 11 19:46
mutex_should get him onto WoW, it's quite good on bandwidth.Oct 11 19:47
DaemonFCthere's no reason Halo 3 should need that muchOct 11 19:48
DaemonFCno other game doesOct 11 19:48
mutex_thats rightOct 11 19:48
mutex_you can play wow on a dialup, !! with quite good latencyOct 11 19:48
DaemonFCSauerbraten will run quite well even with minimal bandwidthOct 11 19:49
*schestowitz programs in MATLAB for a whileOct 11 19:49
DaemonFCit's smart about what it needs to transmit and receiveOct 11 19:49
schestowitz[proprietary framework] *shudder*Oct 11 19:49
Omar87schestowitz, Okay, although I was just talking about dumping Google adsense, I have it on my own blog since neither Ad Bard nor any other Ads service would accept my website, yet,Oct 11 19:53
DaemonFCgawd, QVC is taking their sweet time to ship that computerOct 11 19:54
DaemonFCI ordered it on the 7th and it won't be here til the 19thOct 11 19:54
Omar87And, I'm feeling it's very useless. LIke a dream that'll never come true, to actually paid from it.Oct 11 19:54
DaemonFCI asked them if they were shipping it here cross country by horse and buggyOct 11 19:55
Omar87to actually *get* paid from it.Oct 11 19:55
schestowitzVery few doOct 11 20:00
schestowitzMaybe the top 0.1%Oct 11 20:00
schestowitzIt's like in the music industryOct 11 20:00
schestowitzI never made money from running sitesOct 11 20:01
schestowitzJust building sites for othersOct 11 20:01
schestowitzhttp://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com/2009/10/astroturf-in-climate-change-discussion.htmlOct 11 20:05
phIRCeTitle: Cranky Old Nutcase by The Mad Hatter: Astroturf in the Climate Change discussion .::. Size~: 66.29 KBOct 11 20:05
schestowitz^^ this is our amicus from BNOct 11 20:05
schestowitzHe's fighting the good fightOct 11 20:05
schestowitzNot all that we should do it to be driven by profit motive, Omar87. It leads to wear in the environment and erosion of social harmony if driven to /boundless/ extentOct 11 20:06
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schestowitzY,000,000,000uTube http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2009/10/y000000000utube.htmlOct 11 20:13
phIRCeTitle: OpenDNS .::. Size~: 2.02 KBOct 11 20:13
schestowitzIf only they had Oggs like a few othersOct 11 20:13
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091008/0252066460.shtmlOct 11 20:13
phIRCeTitle: Go To The Olympics? Take Photos? Put Them On Flickr? Await Olympic Committee Legal Threat Letter | Techdirt .::. Size~: 78.87 KBOct 11 20:13
schestowitzhttp://blog.foolsmountain.com/2009/10/08/what-lies-between-chinese-writers-and-the-nobel-prize/Oct 11 20:15
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/08/argos-ebay-desert-royal-mailOct 11 20:15
schestowitz"Argos joined a growing band of retailers making plans to desert Royal Mail today as the Communication Workers Union voted overwhelmingly in favour of a national strike over proposed changes to working conditions."Oct 11 20:15
schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-rupert-murdoch-in-beijing-the-philistine-phase-of-the-digital-age-is-al/Oct 11 20:22
schestowitz Rupert Murdoch In Beijing: ‘The Philistine Phase Of The Digital Age Is Almost Over’Oct 11 20:23
schestowitzhttp://blogscript.blogspot.com/2009/10/new-uk-internet-libel-case-coming.htmlOct 11 20:23
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schestowitzOmar87: Tony Blair branded 'war criminal' after Iraq memorial service < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/09/rowan-williams-iraq-war-memorial >Oct 11 20:24
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A friend of mine, a #GNOME user, is trying #kde4 now. It's a wonderful DE.Oct 11 20:30
schestowitzhttp://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1295Oct 11 20:30
phIRCeTitle: Armed and Dangerous  » Blog Archive   » Looking Deeper into Forges, And Not Liking What I See .::. Size~: 38.61 KBOct 11 20:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Multi-tasking ahoy! One machine testing Mandriva, another I'm writing an article on +keeping an eye on #microsoft on a Netbook w/Puppy LinuxOct 11 20:36
schestowitzhttp://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-searchengine-showdown-1800591.html shilling for MurdochOct 11 20:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Tomorrow I'm hoping to be installing Linux on a collegues machine. He's a Linux newbie who was amazed with Linux Mint!Oct 11 20:37
DaemonFCjust got done with my stretching exercisesOct 11 20:39
DaemonFChave to do them every 5-6 hours or my arms try to tense up againOct 11 20:40
DaemonFCthey're getting better thoughOct 11 20:40
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10/t-mobile_outlook_grim_for_sidekick_data_after_microsoft_server_failure.html?ana=from_rssOct 11 20:40
phIRCeTitle: Outlook grim for Sidekick data after Microsoft server failure .::. Size~: 44.55 KBOct 11 20:40
schestowitz"Regrettably, based on Microsoft/Danger's latest recovery assessment of their systems, we must now inform you that personal information stored on your device - such as contacts, calendar entries, to-do lists or photos - that is no longer on your Sidekick almost certainly has been lost as a result of a server failure at Microsoft/Danger," says T-Mobile in a statement posted in its user forums.Oct 11 20:40
schestowitzOh gawd... photos, contacts....Oct 11 20:40
schestowitzPeople don't have their work notes, pictures with the g/f, everything!Oct 11 20:40
DaemonFCschestowitz, I made sure that I wouldn't get stuck with Vista on this new systemOct 11 20:40
DaemonFCit comes with it but I'll only need to put up with it for about 2-3 weeksOct 11 20:41
DaemonFCspeaking of failures that isOct 11 20:41
schestowitzVista was a success. [for Linux]Oct 11 20:41
DaemonFCas for the rumors of the 5-6 hour upgrade process, I've never had that happenOct 11 20:42
DaemonFCthe longest upgrade I've ever had was about an hourOct 11 20:42
DaemonFCthat was from 98 to MeOct 11 20:42
DaemonFCMicrosoft usually does promo upgrades if you buy it right awayOct 11 20:42
DaemonFC98 to Me was $20Oct 11 20:43
schestowitzIt's not an upgradeOct 11 20:43
trmancoit takes about 1:30 mins to completely install a SPOct 11 20:43
schestowitzME->98 SE is an upgradOct 11 20:43
trmanco1h and 30 mins*Oct 11 20:43
DaemonFCtrmanco, service packs take longer than an in place upgrade to a new version of WindowsOct 11 20:44
DaemonFCI don't know why, but they doOct 11 20:44
DaemonFCI'm always on the latest service packOct 11 20:44
mutex_so are you going to get your 13 patches, on Tues 13th, at 13:13:13 ?Oct 11 20:45
DaemonFCold installations of XP tend to get cranky when you try to put a service pack on themOct 11 20:45
DaemonFCI had to spend hours cleaning up my neighbor's copy of XP before I could apply SP3, IE 8, and WMP 11Oct 11 20:45
DaemonFCmutex_, considering that my desktop is not operational and my new one won't be here til the 19th?Oct 11 20:46
DaemonFCmotherboard failure, againOct 11 20:46
mutex_minor issuesOct 11 20:46
DaemonFCdamned Intel motherboardsOct 11 20:46
DaemonFCunreliable junkOct 11 20:46
DaemonFCmad at myself for trying to go back to Intel last yearOct 11 20:46
trmancololOct 11 20:47
DaemonFCI'm not touching anything made by Intel or Nvidia this timeOct 11 20:47
DaemonFCit's all AMDOct 11 20:47
DaemonFCI'm seriously pissed off at Intel and Nvidia for a number of reasons and I won't be buying anything from them againOct 11 20:48
DaemonFCI don't expect Nvidia's board of directors will be making a public apology for their Prop 8 supportOct 11 20:49
DaemonFCso good riddance to them tooOct 11 20:49
DaemonFCI'd rather not buy another computer if my only choice was Intel/Nvidia partsOct 11 20:50
DaemonFCI'm at least 50 times angrier at them than MicrosoftOct 11 20:51
DaemonFCin my book, they're much worseOct 11 20:51
DaemonFCall of them are unscrupulous thoughOct 11 20:51
DaemonFCIntel was funny because they conspired to sell junk hardware that wasn't good enough to run Vista and then didn't even use Vista themselves, they stayed on XPOct 11 20:52
schestowitzMine is AMDOct 11 20:57
schestowitzIntel is a criminal company. A lot of people haven't paid attention though (to antirust worldwide)Oct 11 20:57
schestowitzGotta do something else for a little while...Oct 11 20:58
schestowitzHope you can hang around in IRC sometimes. :-)Oct 11 20:58
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schestowitzBTW, get well soon. I didn't mean to ignore it before, I just didn't pay attention when you came in to say something about itOct 11 20:58
schestowitzBy the time I saw it you had leftOct 11 20:58
DaemonFCschestowitz, thanksOct 11 21:01
DaemonFCheh, yeah, I'm just starting to feel like myself at least most of the day againOct 11 21:02
DaemonFCbruises are continuing to turn green and then fade back to flesh colorOct 11 21:02
DaemonFCit'd be nice if they could just go away, I'm sick of looking at themOct 11 21:03
DaemonFCI probably should have been in the hospital for at least 2-3 days, but they were eager to ditch me since I wasn't a profitable patient with lots of insuranceOct 11 21:04
DaemonFCluckily, my mom is a nurseOct 11 21:04
DaemonFCI think I'm going to write a letter to the newspaper about this whole ordealOct 11 21:05
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A friend of mine, a #GNOME user, is trying #kde4 now. It's a wonderful DE.Oct 11 21:08
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I wrote a letter to the editor of the local paperOct 11 21:17
DaemonFChttp://pastebin.com/m594b87fdOct 11 21:17
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pfpdsfogmy For Follow UP folder is not showing any flaged emails on MS Outlook2003 -> can anyone advice please?Oct 11 21:37
schestowitzDaemonFC: "until" -> "til"?Oct 11 21:38
DaemonFC?Oct 11 21:39
DaemonFCyeah, common contractionOct 11 21:39
DaemonFC:POct 11 21:39
pfpdsfogschestowitz: wow you're funnyOct 11 21:39
schestowitz"@glynmoody The problem is not The Independent; they just suffer from the same phenomenon as Murdoch"Oct 11 21:40
pfpdsfogschestowitz: how about you start using your tallents the right way?Oct 11 21:40
schestowitz"@glynmoody it's independent... of the public :-)"Oct 11 21:40
schestowitzDaemonFC: not "till"?Oct 11 21:41
schestowitzI guess it dependsOct 11 21:41
schestowitzhttp://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-unt1.htmOct 11 21:41
phIRCeTitle: World Wide Words: Until, till and &lsquo;til .::. Size~: 11.04 KBOct 11 21:41
schestowitzYou'd need a apostropheOct 11 21:41
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DaemonFCpick pick pickOct 11 21:41
DaemonFC:POct 11 21:41
schestowitzpfpdsfog: what's the matter?Oct 11 21:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: well, newspaper you said, so...Oct 11 21:42
DaemonFCyeah, whoopsOct 11 21:42
DaemonFC75% of this county votes Republican, I doubt they'll get hung up more over the apostrophe than the contents of that letterOct 11 21:43
DaemonFCthey're voting Republican and poorOct 11 21:43
DaemonFCstupid people that are easily trickedOct 11 21:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Campaigners to try and get Saw VI banned? Well done folks, you've now guaranteed its going to be a hit.Oct 11 21:55
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now3dHi RoyOct 11 22:17
now3dBTW, the animated favicon gets iritating after a while..Oct 11 22:17
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schestowitzhttp://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/114-wine-1131-releasedOct 11 22:19
schestowitzhey, now3dOct 11 22:19
Python1320oh come onOct 11 22:19
Python1320I just compiled 30 from sourceOct 11 22:19
Python1320like 5 days agoOct 11 22:20
schestowitzheh.Oct 11 22:20
schestowitzgentoo?Oct 11 22:20
Python1320nah, I need to apply a custom modification to wineOct 11 22:20
schestowitznow3d: we changed that icon some years back so that it stops cycling after a couple of timesOct 11 22:20
schestowitzSame in schestowitz.comOct 11 22:20
now3dAh ok, that is good ;) btw I am Jon GrantOct 11 22:21
schestowitzWhat's wine useful for, Python1320, in your case?Oct 11 22:21
now3dhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/themes/ocadia/style.css I see "header" and: font-size: 0.75em; Is that the one that would need to be increased?Oct 11 22:21
schestowitzBTW, do the apps that run Linux gadgets like TomTom operate under wine?Oct 11 22:21
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting text/css type .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 11 22:21
Python1320schestowitz, I am running a gameserver which has only windows binaries on debian.Oct 11 22:21
Python1320I apply a modification to wine to let the application run without XOct 11 22:22
schestowitznow3d: I do ctrl++ or whatever to zoom inOct 11 22:22
now3dchanting it to be 100% would make it regular size I thinkOct 11 22:22
schestowitzIf the text needs size changeOct 11 22:22
now3dyeah.. i did that.. that's the good workaroundOct 11 22:22
schestowitzNobody is ever 100% happyOct 11 22:22
schestowitzBut...Oct 11 22:22
Python1320I basically stub the AllocConsole function and make it return always TRUE.Oct 11 22:22
schestowitzMaybe we should have alternative cssOct 11 22:22
schestowitzIt's trickyOct 11 22:22
schestowitzCause some of the styles are embedded in the pageOct 11 22:22
schestowitzIt's not elegantly writtenOct 11 22:22
now3dyeah.. would be nice if you could adjust a few places..Oct 11 22:24
Python1320Worms 2 demo crashes on startup <- So now they can launch the game to ... the menu?   What's next, clicking menu buttons? Yes, I am not too optimistic anymore :)Oct 11 22:24
now3dthe text in the links is pretty small too..Oct 11 22:24
now3di'm running Firefox on UbuntuOct 11 22:24
schestowitzGary Edwards is still around..... http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12688-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=69439&messageID=1327593Oct 11 22:26
phIRCeTitle: Zoho's Next Big Thing | TalkBack on ZDNet .::. Size~: 64.65 KBOct 11 22:26
schestowitznow3d: couldn't find the pluginOct 11 22:26
schestowitzI asked around in some irc channels tooOct 11 22:26
schestowitzWordPress offers this fucntion as a plugin to admins onlyOct 11 22:26
schestowitzOr to register visitors onlyOct 11 22:26
schestowitz*teredOct 11 22:26
schestowitzOttherwise, other than cookie, it can't keep track of who want which stylesheetOct 11 22:27
schestowitzSame with GroklawOct 11 22:27
schestowitzRegistered users can use alternative styles, which I doOct 11 22:27
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now3dhow about going for similar text sizes to news.bbc.co.uk ?Oct 11 22:30
sebsebsebhiOct 11 22:30
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=25725Oct 11 22:33
schestowitznow3d: I can't by defaultOct 11 22:34
schestowitzIt would mess up some pagesOct 11 22:34
schestowitzI wish I could apply one CSS to new pages onlyOct 11 22:35
schestowitzIt doesn't work that way in practiceOct 11 22:35
schestowitzA lot of new pages appear in the Wiki where moonbook is useOct 11 22:35
schestowitz*usedOct 11 22:35
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/173364/ellison_mocks_salesforcecoms_itty_bitty_application.htmlOct 11 22:36
phIRCeTitle: Ellison Mocks Salesforce.com's 'itty Bitty' Application - Business Center - PC World .::. Size~: 43.03 KBOct 11 22:36
schestowitz!google css zen gardenOct 11 22:36
phIRCe[1] - css Zen Garden: The Beauty in CSS Design | http://www.csszengarden.com/Oct 11 22:36
phIRCe[2] - mezzoblue § css Zen Garden Design List | http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/Oct 11 22:36
phIRCe[3] - mezzoblue § css Zen Garden Resources | http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/resources/Oct 11 22:36
phIRCe[4] - CSS Zen Garden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Zen_GardenOct 11 22:36
now3dok, thanksOct 11 22:40
now3doff to sleep now byteOct 11 22:40
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schestowitzI didn't implement this properlyOct 11 22:40
schestowitzHad I kept all styling in the CSS, it would be simple to swapOct 11 22:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Microsoft renders Sidekick data completely secure http://is.gd/4enuMOct 11 22:41
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft renders Sidekick data completely secure - News of the News .::. Size~: 33.44 KBOct 11 22:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard NotN: Microsoft renders Sidekick data completely secure http://is.gd/4enuM [satire]Oct 11 22:44
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft renders Sidekick data completely secure - News of the News .::. Size~: 33.44 KBOct 11 22:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hello everybody =)Oct 11 22:46
trmancohow as phIRCe behaved? I've AFK for a whileOct 11 22:47
trmancohttp://identi.ca/notice/11827712Oct 11 22:49
phIRCeTitle: X11R5 (x11r5) 's status on Sunday, 11-Oct-09 21:42:20 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 6.89 KBOct 11 22:49
trmancothe bot is sexistOct 11 22:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i was most pleased to remember i had the "sad toilet in snow" image for that articleOct 11 22:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] RBS ATM’s Use Windows | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yzddszdOct 11 22:55
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ThistleWeblol, my tweets come through eventuallyOct 11 22:59
ThistleWebanother one on the way too lol 2 posts in one nightOct 11 22:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard Vista works well on that 'machine'Oct 11 22:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Goodbye MS Works? Hello MS Office starter with adverts...LOL...Microsoft's cashcow running dry? #office #microsoft #windowsOct 11 23:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the ultimate vista-ready machine is of course: http://bit.ly/43nATdOct 11 23:08
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - WINDOWS VISTA - INSTALL .::. Size~: 128.06 KBOct 11 23:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin i eagerly await a CRITICAL SECURITY UPDATE to XP of Windows Genuine AdvertisingOct 11 23:12
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trmancohttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928Oct 11 23:16
phIRCeTitle: Bespin KDE-Look.org .::. Size~: 149.75 KBOct 11 23:16
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schestowitzThis whole 'open core' thing is a disease. http://linuxmednews.com/1254623223Oct 11 23:29
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schestowitztrmanco: "Please consider this code as experimental."Oct 11 23:30
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schestowitzhttp://celettu.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/kde-4-3-boom-baby/Oct 11 23:31
phIRCeTitle: KDE 4.3: Boom baby! «  Celettus Weblog .::. Size~: 28.21 KBOct 11 23:31
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schestowitz"Stability has gradually improved to the point where I no longer have any problems at all. KDE boots fast and without issue. Applications don’t crash, except for the printer applet after one update, which was immediately remedied in the next. Kwin effects are fast and leave no artifacts. KDE 4 is stable."Oct 11 23:32
trmancooh artifactsOct 11 23:32
trmancoGnome (Compiz) had themOct 11 23:33
schestowitzhttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-kde-4-3-2-on-ubuntu-jaunty.htmlOct 11 23:33
phIRCeTitle:   Howto Install KDE 4.3.2 on ubuntu Jaunty | Ubuntu Geek .::. Size~: 37.13 KBOct 11 23:33
schestowitz_goblin is trying kde 4.3.2Oct 11 23:34
schestowitzhttp://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/10/linux-back-in-time-backup-made-easy/Oct 11 23:34
phIRCeTitle: Linux Back In Time: Backup made easy .::. Size~: 39.16 KBOct 11 23:34
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schestowitzhttp://digitizor.com/2009/10/11/developers-plans-to-break-gtk-3-0-api/Oct 11 23:46
phIRCeTitle: Developers Plans To Break GTK 3.0 API .::. Size~: 57.03 KBOct 11 23:46
schestowitzo_0Oct 11 23:46
schestowitz"In a way this approach seems like what the KDE developers did with KDE 4.0 and the Amarok developers with Amarok 2.0. Both of them were criticized for this approach initially but both has now developed solid product over it. The same is likely to happen with GTK 3.0 is they go ahead with this plan. However, in the long run they can really end up developing a great application, even though it may cause some inconvinience atOct 11 23:46
schestowitzinitially."Oct 11 23:46
trmancowell, that's how it usually goesOct 11 23:47
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trmancoit's for the betterOct 11 23:47
schestowitzhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/10/conan-obrien-talks-to-the-co-creator-of-usb-on-the-tonight-show/Oct 11 23:48
phIRCeTitle: Conan O'Brien talks to the co-creator of USB on The Tonight Show .::. Size~: 133.44 KBOct 11 23:48
schestowitztrmanco: windows32 alsoOct 11 23:48
schestowitzAsk wine about deprecated APIs and stuff :-DOct 11 23:48
schestowitz.NET arguably too, but I'm not familiar with itOct 11 23:49
*schestowitz never programmed on dotnotOct 11 23:49
*schestowitz programs in MATLAB today (no choice)Oct 11 23:49
trmancoyeahOct 11 23:49
trmancoI've programmed in .NETOct 11 23:49
schestowitzhttp://aldeby.org/blog/index.php/vmware-workstation-6-5-3-on-ubuntu-karmic-9-10.htmlOct 11 23:49
phIRCeTitle:   VMware Workstation 6.5.3 on Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 | Nobody was Born with Linux Knowledge  .::. Size~: 33.03 KBOct 11 23:49
trmancoVB.NET to be more preciseOct 11 23:49
cubezzzboooOct 11 23:50
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trmancoit kinda stinks when you have to wait 30 seconds just for a simple program to load :|Oct 11 23:50
schestowitzHhee.Oct 11 23:50
schestowitzDavid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjB1XzayjtAOct 11 23:50
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - WINDOWS VISTA - INSTALL .::. Size~: 134.63 KBOct 11 23:50
cubezzzI've been looking at the gnu projectsOct 11 23:50
cubezzzmay start a new oneOct 11 23:51
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trmancowhat are you thinking about doing?Oct 11 23:53
trmancoGNU is in need of a facebook replacementOct 11 23:53
schestowitzHURDOct 11 23:54
schestowitz2.0Oct 11 23:54
cubezzzstill thinking about itOct 11 23:54
schestowitzUltimate PackOct 11 23:54
cubezzzno, not HURD :)Oct 11 23:54
cubezzzI'm not that braveOct 11 23:54
schestowitzBut there'll be launch parties for itOct 11 23:54
schestowitzGNU CDs and napkinsOct 11 23:54
trmancohttp://daisycha.in/Oct 11 23:54
phIRCeTitle: daisychain &mdash; social network freedom .::. Size~: 4.2 KBOct 11 23:54
trmancoohOct 11 23:54
cubezzzwell I can do the GNU thing without HURD :)Oct 11 23:54
trmancothey have already started itOct 11 23:55
schestowitz"daisychain is a project of FooCorp released under the GNU AGPL version 3.0"Oct 11 23:55
schestowitzNeatOct 11 23:55
cubezzzthere's no ics text client in gnuOct 11 23:55
trmancolet's take a peakOct 11 23:55
cubezzzlately I've been working on porting coreutilsOct 11 23:56
schestowitz*peekOct 11 23:56
trmancoyeahOct 11 23:58
trmancooopsOct 11 23:58
trmancoporting it to what?Oct 11 23:58
cubezzzsl-5500Oct 11 23:59
cubezzzrather than using busyboxOct 11 23:59

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