| schestowitz | Oh no.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/19/las-tablas-water-wetlands-burn | Oct 23 00:01 |
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| oiaohm | USA was trying to find something to do with Uranium waste with those weapons. | Oct 23 00:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Best tweet ever: http://twitter.com/realnickgriffin/status/5080051898 #bbcqt | Oct 23 00:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Windows 7 released on Question Time to mass protests http://is.gd/4wwF8 #bbcqt | Oct 23 00:04 | |
| schestowitz | Is it a fake? | Oct 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Probably a "fake*" account | Oct 23 00:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard NotN: Windows 7 released on Question Time to mass protests http://is.gd/4wwF8 #bbcqt | Oct 23 00:09 | |
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| cubezzz | you know why the coelacanth survives for so long? | Oct 23 00:11 |
| cubezzz | no good for eating | Oct 23 00:11 |
| cubezzz | it would make a good mascot for gnu :) | Oct 23 00:11 |
| fewa | "It said it had been “demonised” and repeatedly denied doing things which have been attributed to Vista. It attributed photos of it wearing a T-shirt saying “The Wow™ starts NOW!” to youthful foolishness. Windows 7 also decried the leak of Microsoft’s latest dismal quarterly results on Wikileaks, saying the contents were complete fiction and a breach of private matters between the Microsoft National Party and the financial authorities." | Oct 23 00:13 |
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| cubezzz | this astro-turfing is getting out of hand | Oct 23 00:14 |
| oiaohm | http://www.nativefish.asn.au/lungfish.html Another thing that is not good eating cubezzz | Oct 23 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes just as anicent as the coelacanth. | Oct 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: via-a-vis astroturf http://newnetworks.com/fundingattverizon.htm | Oct 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | *vis | Oct 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | "In the last week, the FCC was questioned by three different letters representing a group of 72 Democrats, a group of 18 Republicans, and a group of minorities --- blacks, Hispanics and even Asians who are against Net Neutrality. Could it be that they receive funding from AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, etc. and they are just spouting the public line? Sure looks that way. Follow the money and its clear this could be a put on job." | Oct 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft did the same via LawMedia | Oct 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | To shoot down Yahoo!-Google | Oct 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Basically corn farmers and Hispanic groups were paid to be Microsoft shills | Oct 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to the US of A[dvertising] | Oct 23 00:19 |
| fewa | corn farmers? | Oct 23 00:22 |
| fewa | those dont exist | Oct 23 00:22 |
| fewa | corn is farmed by large machines in huge acerages by Big Agro | Oct 23 00:22 |
| fewa | or the most part | Oct 23 00:22 |
| fewa | certainly not a large constituency | Oct 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Novell Petition for ReHearing Denied- Darl tries threats to get a job | Oct 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15/lawmedia-microsoft-astroturf/ | Oct 23 00:23 |
| fewa | if you want a bigger constituency look to daily and organics | Oct 23 00:24 |
| fewa | although those still are largely overshadowed by big Agro | Oct 23 00:24 |
| fewa | congress even moved to make it illegal to compete fairly against the big milk distributers | Oct 23 00:24 |
| fewa | who have higher overages because they ship the milk hundreds of miles multiple times, and harge huge pasturization stacks | Oct 23 00:25 |
| fewa | and generally inefficient distribution | Oct 23 00:25 |
| oiaohm | That is true everywhere fewa. | Oct 23 00:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @estellehart: the campaign to get Nick Griffin on Who Do You Think You Are starts now YESYESYES!! | Oct 23 00:25 | |
| fewa | the local distributer threatened to outcompete the big distributers and won school contracts | Oct 23 00:26 |
| fewa | and they got pissed and went to congress | Oct 23 00:26 |
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| fewa | thankfully it didn't pass | Oct 23 00:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @matlock: Just when Jan Moir thought worst was over, she's being defended by Nick Griffin. Might as well give up, love. | Oct 23 00:28 | |
| oiaohm | http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/10/22/286 First time I have seen a new design in schedulers for a long time. | Oct 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/laptops/152875:laptop-survival-with-gkrellm | Oct 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&num=1 | Oct 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | "Last weekend a few Phoronix benchmarks were underway of the Linux 2.6.32-rc5 kernel when a very significant performance regression was spotted. This regression caused the PostgreSQL server to run at about 18% of the performance found in earlier kernel releases. Long story short, in tracking down this performance regression we have finally devised a way to autonomously locate performance regressions within the Linux kernel and | Oct 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | potentially any Git-based project for that matter. Here are a few details." | Oct 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/blog/talkingtech/2009/10/let_s_give_pulseaudio_a_chance | Oct 23 00:35 |
| schestowitz | "Poettering is concerned the in the upcoming Ubuntu release Canonical has “again” done “some genius thing” to make PulseAudio on Ubuntu perform worse than it could." | Oct 23 00:35 |
| schestowitz | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pa-in-ubuntu.html | Oct 23 00:35 |
| schestowitz | "So in the past Ubuntu packaged PA in a way that, let's say, was not exactly optimal. I thought they'd gotten around fixing things since then. Turns out they didn't. Seems in their upcoming release they again did some genius thing to make PA on Ubuntu perform worse than it could." | Oct 23 00:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pulseaudio developer accuses #Ubuntu of ruining the reputation of his software http://ping.fm/V5Cpq | Oct 23 00:36 | |
| schestowitz | This explains why Mandriva worked well for me while some Ubuntu users complained | Oct 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | pluseaudio works fine, maybe Canonical messes it up | Oct 23 00:37 |
| fewa | i have had nothing but problems with pulseaudio | Oct 23 00:39 |
| fewa | first thing I do when i upgrade is remove pulseaudio | Oct 23 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz wireless is another one, it might not just work in Ubuntu, but it might just work in Mandriva | Oct 23 00:41 |
| fewa | fedora has better sound with alsa | Oct 23 00:41 |
| fewa | as Red Hat does alot of work on ALSA in the kernel | Oct 23 00:41 |
| fewa | which is where the drivers are | Oct 23 00:41 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: probably. | Oct 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | I can recall Mandriva raving about wireless | Oct 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | fewa: pulseaudio is from Red Hat | Oct 23 00:42 |
| fewa | really? | Oct 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | They hired the pulseaudi dev afaik | Oct 23 00:42 |
| fewa | so they will switch eventually? | Oct 23 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz Anyway you were saying the KDE 4 version of Mandriva tends to be better, because the developers tend to focus on that one? | Oct 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/LennartPoettering | Oct 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Wait. Maybe not. | Oct 23 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz By the way what are the bonus programs in Mandriva, ever bought the Powerpack? | Oct 23 00:44 |
| fewa | because they are firmely invested in ALSA | Oct 23 00:44 |
| fewa | and write alot of the drivers | Oct 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | "!PulseAudio by default and with this in mind we talked to LennartPoettering who is the upstream and Fedora developer of !PulseAudio and Avahi about the work he has put into this. " | Oct 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | THat's where I picked it up some years ago | Oct 23 00:44 |
| fewa | and pulseaudio is not in mainline | Oct 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Someone in a forum also said that Red Hat snapped him after he had made the project | Oct 23 00:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] PC World on Microsoft Stores http://is.gd/4wzfl | Oct 23 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ ps aux | grep pulse | Oct 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | roy 6142 0.0 0.0 3040 792 pts/6 S+ 00:45 0:00 grep pulse | Oct 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | It's not there in 9.10 beta | Oct 23 00:45 |
| fewa | yes it is | Oct 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ uname -a | Oct 23 00:45 |
| fewa | i had to remove it | Oct 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux roy 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | Oct 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Ubuntu | Oct 23 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | 9.10 RC is out now | Oct 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Not Kubuntu | Oct 23 00:45 |
| fewa | im running 9.10 | Oct 23 00:46 |
| fewa | i upgraded | Oct 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | It's there in Mandriva though | Oct 23 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | there's even the first Kubuntu Netbook Remix now starting with 9.10 | Oct 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes,it looks good | Oct 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Someone tested it vs gnome | Oct 23 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't seen any screenshots or anything yet | Oct 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | kde won | Oct 23 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | plus I could vm the netbook versions on a desktop PC really | Oct 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Kubuntu Netbook ( Kubuntu 9.10 Alpha 3 Netbook Edition ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wvw46CTx60 | Oct 23 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | uh Alpha 3 | Oct 23 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | so a bit old | Oct 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Naa | Oct 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Just less stable maybe | Oct 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | alpha 5 was rock-solid for me | Oct 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Linux alpha is not Windows alpha | Oct 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux is very solid at early stages too | Oct 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | linux only has rcs | Oct 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/doj-ftc-will-review-merger-guidelines-seek-public-input/?cs=36813 | Oct 23 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | well Ubuntu isn't exactly solid or whatever you want to call it, when it's alpha | Oct 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs and Morality http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/10/goldman-sachs-and-morality.html | Oct 23 00:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Assistant Treasury secretary is bullshiting to congress TARP oversight committee on CSPAN3 http://ur1.ca/e7xr #bailout | Oct 23 00:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] The French Disconnection: 3 strikes law now legal http://ur1.ca/e7xx Disconnect Sarkozy? http://ur1.ca/d8rp | Oct 23 00:56 | |
| _Hicham_ | it depends on alphas | Oct 23 00:57 |
| _Hicham_ | some alphas are conservative | Oct 23 00:57 |
| _Hicham_ | while others are agressive | Oct 23 00:57 |
| _Hicham_ | for example, Fedora Alpha is really alpha | Oct 23 00:57 |
| _Hicham_ | only people with great patience can install it | Oct 23 00:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard LOL, I liked that! | Oct 23 00:57 | |
| schestowitz | Fedora is a hardcore cutting-edge distro though | Oct 23 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Putting some of the latest and experimental (almost) features before anyone else | Oct 23 00:59 |
| fewa | yes | Oct 23 01:01 |
| oiaohm | That is the other thing people have missed. | Oct 23 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people say Fedora has got more stable. What they have not noiced is there are less cutting edge features around the Linux world. | Oct 23 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Than what there were. | Oct 23 01:03 |
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| oiaohm | The list of features to include is kinda starting to run dry for Linux. | Oct 23 01:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Thanks for the Pulseaudio story. Is Ubuntu becoming arrogant or maybe ignorant? | Oct 23 01:05 | |
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| oiaohm | Pulseaudio one is more about put presure to get resualts. It is good that Pulseaudio lead developer and Jack lead developer is talking to each other. | Oct 23 01:07 |
| oiaohm | We really only need 1 sound server if that. | Oct 23 01:07 |
| schestowitz | [01:04] <oiaohm> The list of features to include is kinda starting to run dry for Linux. | Oct 23 01:07 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Oct 23 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Lack of ideas? | Oct 23 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Hey, merriam | Oct 23 01:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/apple-patents-advertising-based-variation-of-os-x-20091022/ | Oct 23 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Seems like Apple and Nokia are both playing with swpats now | Oct 23 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Mostly due to how much has been merged schestowitz | Oct 23 01:09 |
| oiaohm | You read Linux kernel full feature list some time is basically a list of almost everythign you could want a OS kernel to do. | Oct 23 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Surely there's more on the horizon that;'s beneficial | Oct 23 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Most of fedora instablity has traced to prototype kernel alterations. | Oct 23 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Like btrfs parity wrt zfs | Oct 23 01:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] It took Ubuntu at least 3 releases to include the free Atheros WiFi drivers, after proposed by me and a fellow Dutch Ubuntero named Pjotr. | Oct 23 01:10 | |
| oiaohm | Most of the alterations left are edge of kernel alterations schestowitz | Oct 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: would you believe I've had no crashes here? | Oct 23 01:11 |
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| oiaohm | Like rt prototype patches were particularly nasty. | Oct 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | 2 months almost on a alpha-beta | Oct 23 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Back in 2005 | Oct 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Never needed to even kill a process from ttyx | Oct 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | It's like it could run a spaceship :-D | Oct 23 01:11 |
| oiaohm | List of features wanted are quite slim. | Oct 23 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Back in SuSE days it was less reliable | Oct 23 01:12 |
| schestowitz | SO reliability too is a feature | Oct 23 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Last major patch set left that could up set distributions baddly is union mounts replacement to unionfs that they use on there livecds. | Oct 23 01:12 |
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| oiaohm | ZFS is mostly implemented userspace. | Oct 23 01:13 |
| oiaohm | btrfs is mostly a merge of all the filesystem ideas Linux already contains. | Oct 23 01:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Proposals to remove MONO from the default install base get buried on Ubuntu Brainstorm. | Oct 23 01:14 | |
| oiaohm | All that is really left is better laying out of features Linux already has. | Oct 23 01:14 |
| schestowitz | wb, wallc | Oct 23 01:15 |
| wallc | i can only stay a minute, but wanted to let Roy know I finished the latest "Comes vs MS" PDF | Oct 23 01:15 |
| wallc | The text file and graphics should be in his email now. | Oct 23 01:15 |
| wallc | Oh, there you are! | Oct 23 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Cool! Thanks a lot | Oct 23 01:15 |
| wallc | Hi! | Oct 23 01:15 |
| schestowitz | [01:15] <wallc> i can only stay a minute | Oct 23 01:15 |
| wallc | I have a date tonight, must get ready...ohhh, dinner out! :) | Oct 23 01:15 |
| schestowitz | You're off to Vista 7 launch party, eh? | Oct 23 01:16 |
| wallc | NOOOOO WAAAAY! lol | Oct 23 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh,... | Oct 23 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 party WITH STALLMAN? | Oct 23 01:16 |
| wallc | ha ha | Oct 23 01:16 |
| wallc | :) | Oct 23 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, thanks again | Oct 23 01:17 |
| schestowitz | It's actually relieving to see the news | Oct 23 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Vista hype was _a lot_ greater | Oct 23 01:17 |
| wallc | you're welcome, let me know if there's any problem with the files | Oct 23 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft botched this one | Oct 23 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Really the day there is no more features to add to particular areas of Linux kernel are good days. Then focus gets to lock onto performance. | Oct 23 01:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] It took Ubuntu at least 3 releases to include the free Atheros WiFi drivers, after proposed by me and a fellow Dutch Ubuntero named | Oct 23 01:17 | |
| schestowitz | And tomorrow at 9AM ET (maybe 9:30) Microsoft releases bad results, so.... | Oct 23 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Not really Microsoft tried to spin it up as much as Vista. | Oct 23 01:18 |
| schestowitz | WIthout success | Oct 23 01:18 |
| oiaohm | This time you have had IBM and others messing with it. | Oct 23 01:18 |
| oiaohm | So proving MS is no longer alone. | Oct 23 01:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oops, running Ubuntu Karmic Koala right now. I Love it! | Oct 23 01:18 | |
| wallc | My dinner is with my best friend, he's not very technically inclined, except with drums and a guitar, but he let me install Ubuntu on his computer...he did not want anything to do with vista or 7... | Oct 23 01:18 |
| wallc | i honestly don't know anyone that cares much about win 7 | Oct 23 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Hmm ml2mst annoys me at times. Atheros drivers only got included in ubuntu after they went mainline kernel. | Oct 23 01:19 |
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| oiaohm | I know 3 that love Windows 7. Mind you they are hooked on windows only programs. | Oct 23 01:20 |
| wallc | i have friends that still use windows, but they're all staying with xp | Oct 23 01:20 |
| wallc | it's also possible that no one that knows me would admit they're using vista or 7...i always make faces and lecture 'em...lol | Oct 23 01:21 |
| oiaohm | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139716/Engineers_create_fingernail_size_chip_that_holds_1TB_of_data great if it was not already simple enough to miss place data. | Oct 23 01:21 |
| wallc | ok...gotta go take care all! | Oct 23 01:22 |
| schestowitz | You too | Oct 23 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: good for Wikipedia on a suffle | Oct 23 01:24 |
| schestowitz | *Shuffle | Oct 23 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Now ram 1 tb in size restoring from harddrive suppend you would not want to be waiting around. | Oct 23 01:25 |
| schestowitz | What was Microsoft's budgets for Vista 7 brainwash? | Oct 23 01:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm curious cause they sort of blew it | Oct 23 01:27 |
| oiaohm | As big as Vista's | Oct 23 01:27 |
| schestowitz | They didn't sell the impression it was revolutionary (cause it ain't) | Oct 23 01:27 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: how big? | Oct 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I've not seen figures about marketing budget | Oct 23 01:28 |
| oiaohm | We will see when we get the finances. | Oct 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | It was $500ml around the Mojave stunt | Oct 23 01:28 |
| oiaohm | I would say a few billion. | Oct 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | BILLION? | Oct 23 01:28 |
| oiaohm | World wide adveristing is not cheep. | Oct 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Are you sure? | Oct 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | For just Windows? | Oct 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | It's about 30% of revenue | Oct 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | And then there's office, main cash cow | Oct 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Lots of the rest, inc. WM, loses money | Oct 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I heard about TV ads in Germany | Oct 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK all the channels are filled with it too | Oct 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | They don't say WHY to move to it | Oct 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | It's just a soulless release | Oct 23 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Rememer Mojave stunt was mostly usa. | Oct 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | "But it cause it's newer" | Oct 23 01:30 |
| schestowitz | *Buy | Oct 23 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Half a billion just to do the USA basically. | Oct 23 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Adveristement costs crap load when product is not good enough to sell itself. | Oct 23 01:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @dotwaffle: Smooth, Linus, smooth... http://bit.ly/2EE0dm | Oct 23 01:30 | |
| oiaohm | Each Windows release and Office release most likely killed of a billion dollars in adveristement. | Oct 23 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Not including free giveways to try to motivate people. | Oct 23 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Really it will be cheaper than Vista's. MS plowed a lot into that to try to save a dead program. | Oct 23 01:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @dotwaffle: Smooth, Linus, smooth... http://bit.ly/2EE0dm | Oct 23 01:33 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you think is a few billion to be recovered over the next 3 years. | Oct 23 01:34 |
| oiaohm | LOL that picture. Looks like not 1 has sold. http://bit.ly/2EE0dm | Oct 23 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Too many editions | Oct 23 01:41 |
| oiaohm | The fun bit is to see if Windows 7 advertisement can live after Ubuntu release. | Oct 23 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Then is basically monthy distribution releases after that. | Oct 23 01:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard Whats wrong with that picture? Wheres all the people who are allegedly rushing out and buying Windows 7? shop looks empty! | Oct 23 01:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://bit.ly/2EE0dm Great shot of Linus in front of Windows 7 but where are all the people allegedly rushing out and buying it? #microsoft | Oct 23 01:43 | |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : have u used Fedora 11 to test its stability ? | Oct 23 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Wearing sandals, oiaohm | Oct 23 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Problem is you have to feel sorry for the shops. | Oct 23 01:44 |
| schestowitz | gn | Oct 23 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Fedora I still don't trust for stablity _Hicham_ But is has improved. Anything had to be better than Fedora 5 | Oct 23 01:45 |
| oiaohm | I normally use it close releation centos _Hicham_ | Oct 23 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | stability is relative | Oct 23 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | desktop stability is not server stability | Oct 23 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | and Fedora is geared more towards desktop | Oct 23 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | nevertheless, it is used on some servers too | Oct 23 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | example : Fedora 6 is used on a lot of servers | Oct 23 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Fedora 6 few updates hurt. | Oct 23 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Centos is basically audits the updates. | Oct 23 01:50 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, u can go from FC6 to centos without problems | Oct 23 01:51 |
| _Hicham_ | because Centos is based off some Fedora version | Oct 23 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Centos versions are basically fedora versions. | Oct 23 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Binary wise there is really no difference. | Oct 23 01:51 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, that is what I want to say | Oct 23 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Only major difference is auditing of changes. | Oct 23 01:52 |
| _Hicham_ | so, a migration won't be a problem | Oct 23 01:52 |
| oiaohm | No worse than migrating between Fedoras if you are changing version number. | Oct 23 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time way better. | Oct 23 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | Fedora's upgrades weren't a priority | Oct 23 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | but now, things are changing | Oct 23 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a program similar to Debian's dist-upgrade | Oct 23 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Everything is changing. | Oct 23 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | preupgrade | Oct 23 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Linux world is stablizing. | Oct 23 01:54 |
| _Hicham_ | it computes upgrades and stuff | Oct 23 01:54 |
| _Hicham_ | so that u can have a smooth transition | Oct 23 01:54 |
| _Hicham_ | Mandriva is the second distro on which I could get radeon KMS working after Fedora | Oct 23 01:55 |
| _Hicham_ | on Ubuntu, I wasn't lucky at all | Oct 23 01:55 |
| _Hicham_ | last time I checked, it was a complete mess | Oct 23 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu on kernel is being slower merging proto patches. | Oct 23 01:55 |
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| _Hicham_ | drm-next is merged into main kernel tree | Oct 23 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Soon enough there will not be much difference at that level _Hicham_ | Oct 23 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I got my swine flu vaccine | Oct 23 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | I told them I was a healthcare worker | Oct 23 01:56 |
| _Hicham_ | Dave Airlie's work is finally going mailine | Oct 23 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | my CNA license is still valid, so for all they know, I am | Oct 23 01:57 |
| oiaohm | List of stuff not mainline kernel is getting very short _Hicham_ | Oct 23 01:57 |
| _Hicham_ | thanks to RedHat's efforts | Oct 23 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, my XBOX 360 is back, new console | Oct 23 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | and my Windows 7 upgrade disc shipped today :) | Oct 23 01:59 |
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| oiaohm | boy I had not release that 2.4.x linux kernel has been around for 8 years and 2.6 is on to its 5 year. 2.0 what was the longest maintained Linux kernel is 7 years. | Oct 23 02:04 |
| oiaohm | So 2.4 is now the longest maintained linux kernel and 2.6 is not far off being secound longest. | Oct 23 02:04 |
| fewa | 2.6 is rolling release | Oct 23 02:07 |
| fewa | and that will not change | Oct 23 02:07 |
| fewa | they are all differn't | Oct 23 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Basically soon we will be to the longest point of a branch. | Oct 23 02:08 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux is going to stability | Oct 23 02:17 |
| _Hicham_ | constructors are more and more interested in shipping linux in their hardware | Oct 23 02:17 |
| _Hicham_ | so they are directly working with kernel people | Oct 23 02:17 |
| _Hicham_ | that leverages their costs by a huge factor | Oct 23 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | and leverages kernel development at the same time | Oct 23 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | hardware makers won't ship drivers cds because drivers are already in the kernel | Oct 23 02:20 |
| _Hicham_ | and so everyone is benefiting | Oct 23 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Only reason for a change of 2.6 is if someone finds something that has to be corrected and the only way is to break userspace. | Oct 23 02:21 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Oct 23 02:35 |
| Omar87 | Hey y'all, check this out: :) | Oct 23 02:36 |
| Omar87 | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/10/im-a-pc-and-windows-7-was-my-idea.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | Oct 23 02:36 |
| oiaohm | O boy MS getting desperate. | Oct 23 02:37 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, yeah man. | Oct 23 02:39 |
| oiaohm | It has to be the sadest marketing compain idea I have ever heard. | Oct 23 02:40 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, Well all know how Microsoft will be doomed if the Wonblows 7 doesn't work. | Oct 23 02:40 |
| Omar87 | We* all know. | Oct 23 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Even if Windows 7 works they are still at risk. | Oct 23 02:40 |
| Omar87 | That's right. | Oct 23 02:41 |
| oiaohm | List of advantages that windows had was long. | Oct 23 02:41 |
| oiaohm | A complier that worked is a huge one. | Oct 23 02:41 |
| oiaohm | That will be gone. | Oct 23 02:41 |
| oiaohm | power management core advantage that will be gone as well soon. | Oct 23 02:41 |
| oiaohm | One of the reasons for XP winning on netbooks has being longer battery life. | Oct 23 02:42 |
| Omar87 | Longer than Linux? | Oct 23 02:43 |
| _Hicham_ | depends | Oct 23 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Linux has the bad habit of having all devices power up Omar87 | Oct 23 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Or down. | Oct 23 02:43 |
| oiaohm | XP could run halfway between. | Oct 23 02:43 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : is there a way to power down a usb port ? | Oct 23 02:44 |
| Omar87 | all devices power up? | Oct 23 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Ok I am not talking about devices off motherboard. There has been a way to power down usb ports for ages. | Oct 23 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel only gets a power management core in 2.6.32 Omar87 | Oct 23 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Objective of a power management core is to turn of all part that are not currently need. | Oct 23 02:45 |
| oiaohm | And turn them back on automatically when applications need them. | Oct 23 02:45 |
| Omar87 | That would be a great thing, | Oct 23 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Catch is XP already has that Omar87 | Oct 23 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Even windows 2000 does. | Oct 23 02:46 |
| Omar87 | I know. | Oct 23 02:46 |
| oiaohm | So when it came to power usage XP was running rings around Linux. | Oct 23 02:46 |
| oiaohm | On lots of different hardware. | Oct 23 02:47 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : howto power down a usb port ? | Oct 23 02:47 |
| Omar87 | Windows has a lot of things that Linux didn't have in the past, but it does now. | Oct 23 02:47 |
| Omar87 | And the other way around. | Oct 23 02:48 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/how-to-power-off-usb-port-613304/ Last answer _Hicham_ | Oct 23 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Note its not safe without the power core to make sure you are not doing something stupid _Hicham_ | Oct 23 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Like turning off you keyboard. | Oct 23 02:49 |
| _Hicham_ | I was reading that thread | Oct 23 02:49 |
| oiaohm | suspend cuts power to the port _Hicham_ | Oct 23 02:50 |
| oiaohm | power core hooks the suspend call and makes sure its sane | Oct 23 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Omar87: Linux still has lots of things windows does not. | Oct 23 02:51 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, yes, loads of them. | Oct 23 02:51 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, simply: Windows does not have freedom. :-) | Oct 23 02:52 |
| _Hicham_ | people do not understand freedom | Oct 23 02:54 |
| _Hicham_ | better not to give that argument to non-techie people | Oct 23 02:54 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, that's the saddest part of it, | Oct 23 02:54 |
| fewa | if you explain anti-features people get it | Oct 23 02:54 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : not necessarily | Oct 23 02:54 |
| fewa | they have seen it all around them | Oct 23 02:54 |
| fewa | you just have to explain how they are experiencing | Oct 23 02:54 |
| fewa | it | Oct 23 02:54 |
| _Hicham_ | take firefox example | Oct 23 02:54 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, you can still tell them about Freedom. | Oct 23 02:54 |
| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/253587/ Teh usb manaul of Linux _Hicham_ yes not a nice read. | Oct 23 02:54 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, freedom is not only about the code. | Oct 23 02:55 |
| fewa | they dont like that iTunes is the only problem they can use with their iPod | Oct 23 02:55 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, freedom is a larger concept than just that. | Oct 23 02:55 |
| Omar87 | fewa, example. | Oct 23 02:56 |
| _Hicham_ | Mozilla rarely talks about freedom when marketing firefox | Oct 23 02:56 |
| fewa | and if you can explain that in terms of freedom and anti-features you will get their ear | Oct 23 02:56 |
| fewa | it requires grass roots activism | Oct 23 02:57 |
| _Hicham_ | u can explain the risk of proprietary software by exposing their security risk | Oct 23 02:57 |
| fewa | *net roots | Oct 23 02:57 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, that's exactly what campaigns like Windows7sins and DefectiveByDesign are for. | Oct 23 02:57 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, exactly. | Oct 23 02:57 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, mozilla touts the security that comes form open source | Oct 23 02:58 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : yes, people WANT SECURITY | Oct 23 02:58 |
| fewa | they also explain all the options Firefox provides | Oct 23 02:59 |
| _Hicham_ | but they don't care about freedom as long as the software works | Oct 23 02:59 |
| fewa | which is due to open source | Oct 23 02:59 |
| fewa | nonono | Oct 23 02:59 |
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| willimm | hey | Oct 23 02:59 |
| fewa | they just have not put a value on it | Oct 23 02:59 |
| fewa | nothing gains marketing value spontaneously | Oct 23 02:59 |
| willimm | All of the people who defend OOXML and Mono suck. | Oct 23 02:59 |
| willimm | And M$, obviously. | Oct 23 03:00 |
| fewa | you have to show how the things they want are related to software being free and open | Oct 23 03:00 |
| _Hicham_ | they must convince people to use the product, not give them a freedom course | Oct 23 03:00 |
| fewa | false | Oct 23 03:00 |
| fewa | well.. | Oct 23 03:00 |
| willimm | I'm going to build my own LFS, with Mono as a nono. | Oct 23 03:01 |
| willimm | LFS is Linux from Scratch. | Oct 23 03:01 |
| _Hicham_ | willim : u will need a package manager | Oct 23 03:02 |
| willimm | LFS dosen't really use a package manager. | Oct 23 03:02 |
| _Hicham_ | u will be in trouble updating ur packages | Oct 23 03:02 |
| _Hicham_ | and installing new ones | Oct 23 03:03 |
| willimm | The advangage of LFS is that you can choose whatever setup you want, including without-Mono. | Oct 23 03:03 |
| _Hicham_ | u can remove mono from all distros | Oct 23 03:03 |
| willimm | I can handle upgrading packages from source. | Oct 23 03:04 |
| willimm | And it's educantuale. | Oct 23 03:04 |
| _Hicham_ | no, it is not educational | Oct 23 03:04 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a headache | Oct 23 03:04 |
| _Hicham_ | because when u will do "make install" for example, u have no idea what files are going to be overwritten | Oct 23 03:05 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why people created package managers | Oct 23 03:05 |
| _Hicham_ | all distros do have a package manager | Oct 23 03:06 |
| _Hicham_ | in fact, it is one of the pillar of a linux distro | Oct 23 03:06 |
| _Hicham_ | can u write ur own package manager ? | Oct 23 03:06 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, why? | Oct 23 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | Omar87 : why what ? | Oct 23 03:08 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, LFS doesn't have a package manager? | Oct 23 03:08 |
| Omar87 | Already I mean? | Oct 23 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | Omar87 : it isn't meant to be used on production machines | Oct 23 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | it is an educational project | Oct 23 03:08 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, I know. | Oct 23 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | it is just a book | Oct 23 03:08 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, I know that. | Oct 23 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | Gentoo is educational and meant to be used on production machines | Oct 23 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | and performs well | Oct 23 03:09 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_, That's right. | Oct 23 03:09 |
| willimm | LFS can also be used on production machines. | Oct 23 03:10 |
| willimm | And it preforms well too. | Oct 23 03:10 |
| willimm | And there are hints for Package management. | Oct 23 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | to write ur own ? | Oct 23 03:10 |
| willimm | They arleady wrote them for you: | Oct 23 03:11 |
| willimm | www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints | Oct 23 03:11 |
| willimm | You can use RPM and DPKG if you want. | Oct 23 03:11 |
| willimm | And UnionFS | Oct 23 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | huh | Oct 23 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | then it is just like u gonna build debian or redhat from scratch | Oct 23 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Of course that is permited by LFS _Hicham_ | Oct 23 03:12 |
| _Hicham_ | I know | Oct 23 03:12 |
| willimm | Also, BLFS is a useul tool for building extra packages. | Oct 23 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Gentoo and other source base distributions have be a bit of laugh to me. | Oct 23 03:13 |
| willimm | They work!!! | Oct 23 03:13 |
| oiaohm | The problem of performance has been complier releated. | Oct 23 03:13 |
| willimm | No kidding. | Oct 23 03:13 |
| willimm | Seriously, they are fast. | Oct 23 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Yet most source distrobutions have not been work on it. | Oct 23 03:13 |
| willimm | (LFS and other source based distros) | Oct 23 03:13 |
| oiaohm | If you think they are fast you are in for a shock. | Oct 23 03:14 |
| willimm | My verdict: LFS is AWESOME! | Oct 23 03:14 |
| willimm | (well, it is.) | Oct 23 03:14 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : mixing optimizations on different packages will make a hell of a mess | Oct 23 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Gcc 4.5.0 will be the first gcc ever that can correctly whole application optimise. | Oct 23 03:14 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why there is standard compilation flags | Oct 23 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : will it have link time optimization ? | Oct 23 03:15 |
| willimm | lfs just works. | Oct 23 03:15 |
| oiaohm | So lot of those flag changes on optimiation per applications will be pointless. | Oct 23 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | it creates more problems | Oct 23 03:15 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.5.0 will have link time optimisation. | Oct 23 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | better stick with one set on flags on all packages | Oct 23 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | that is what firefox thought me | Oct 23 03:16 |
| oiaohm | Most of the flag changes are just hacks around compliers optimiser not knowing that is doing the wrong thing in the sence of whole program. | Oct 23 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | if u optimize too much, be ready for segfaults | Oct 23 03:16 |
| oiaohm | No | Oct 23 03:16 |
| willimm | Gotta love me some LFS right now. Will wate. | Oct 23 03:16 |
| willimm | s/wate/wait | Oct 23 03:16 |
| oiaohm | segfaults are also linked to what I said _Hicham_ | Oct 23 03:16 |
| oiaohm | Its basically impossiable to optimise 100 correctly without being able to see the whole picture. | Oct 23 03:17 |
| oiaohm | Even gcc upcoming lto could be improved to allow it to see into dynamic libs and work out hang on this will cause problems. | Oct 23 03:18 |
| willimm | I've gotta go to bed... | Oct 23 03:19 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_: what causes segfaults. All segfaults other than bad memory are predictable. | Oct 23 03:20 |
| oiaohm | Has been so since the late 1980s with good compliers. | Oct 23 03:21 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, to a certain point | Oct 23 03:21 |
| _Hicham_ | have u ever tried to optimize firefox too much ? | Oct 23 03:21 |
| oiaohm | There is no certian point about it. | Oct 23 03:21 |
| oiaohm | I guess you mean with gcc not something good like portland. | Oct 23 03:21 |
| _Hicham_ | i mean aggressive optimizations with gcc | Oct 23 03:21 |
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| _Hicham_ | yes, with gcc | Oct 23 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Of course its going to screw up _Hicham_ | Oct 23 03:22 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | Oct 23 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Lot of those optimizations are taking guess at the whole applicaiton picture. | Oct 23 03:22 |
| oiaohm | gcc with Lto removes the guess work from a lot of those optimisations. | Oct 23 03:22 |
| _Hicham_ | lto ? | Oct 23 03:23 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, ok | Oct 23 03:23 |
| oiaohm | Gcc has basically been like a you in a dark house and the walls if you touch them will kill you. | Oct 23 03:23 |
| oiaohm | LTO is like a house with lights on not that hard not to kill self. | Oct 23 03:24 |
| oiaohm | Of course exention of that would be to allow dynamic libs to be inspected threw as well. | Oct 23 03:25 |
| oiaohm | In the late 1980 the formulars to detect segfaults and buffer overflows were invented. | Oct 23 03:25 |
| oiaohm | But the requirement for them to work perfectly is all information about the program. Anywhere there is not enough information for them they fail. | Oct 23 03:26 |
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| _Hicham_ | is it sure that gcc-4.5 will have lto ? | Oct 23 03:38 |
| oiaohm | http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.5/changes.html Yep _Hicham_ | Oct 23 03:39 |
| oiaohm | Also means you can run the optimiser once per program _Hicham_ Not per .o file | Oct 23 03:42 |
| _Hicham_ | did u test it oiaohm ? | Oct 23 03:43 |
| oiaohm | So far no bad results. | Oct 23 03:44 |
| _Hicham_ | is there any performance improvement with kernel for example ? | Oct 23 03:44 |
| _Hicham_ | the kernel was successfully compiled with it ? | Oct 23 03:45 |
| oiaohm | Have not run the kernel yet built with it. | Oct 23 03:45 |
| _Hicham_ | what did u run ? | Oct 23 03:45 |
| oiaohm | But have built a kernel with it. Most of it is smaller. | Oct 23 03:45 |
| oiaohm | Firefox gains a resonable ammount _Hicham_ | Oct 23 03:45 |
| oiaohm | As well as being smaller. | Oct 23 03:46 |
| _Hicham_ | can i install it side by side with gcc 4.4 ? | Oct 23 03:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes just like all gcc compliers. | Oct 23 03:46 |
| _Hicham_ | did firefox starts faster ? | Oct 23 03:46 |
| oiaohm | starts faster and runs faster. | Oct 23 03:46 |
| _Hicham_ | how much improvement? | Oct 23 03:47 |
| _Hicham_ | in percentage ? | Oct 23 03:47 |
| oiaohm | At least 5 percent. | Oct 23 03:47 |
| oiaohm | In performances | Oct 23 03:47 |
| oiaohm | about 10 percent in disk usage. | Oct 23 03:47 |
| oiaohm | Apparently there is some bits that can be optimised out completely in firefox. | Oct 23 03:48 |
| _Hicham_ | when will it be released ? | Oct 23 03:49 |
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| oiaohm | They are currently in stage 3 what is basically general bug testing before release. Hopefully before end of year _Hicham_ | Oct 23 03:50 |
| _Hicham_ | then it will be included in Fedora 13 for sure | Oct 23 03:51 |
| oiaohm | It will be one of the biggest changes in a long time _Hicham_ | Oct 23 03:53 |
| _Hicham_ | maybe i will package it and start using it | Oct 23 03:53 |
| oiaohm | I am waiting for release myself before I build a kernel with it and attempt running it. | Oct 23 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Nothing is worse than a complier causes unstable kernel. | Oct 23 03:54 |
| _Hicham_ | i compiled firefox 3.6 beta 1, and didn't see any performance improvement | Oct 23 03:55 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : u still here ? | Oct 23 04:03 |
| oiaohm | I altered flags to force threw lto _Hicham_ | Oct 23 04:10 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.5.0 still defaults to old style without flags. | Oct 23 04:10 |
| _Hicham_ | was it firefox 3.6 ? | Oct 23 04:10 |
| oiaohm | 3.5 | Oct 23 04:11 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Oct 23 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia vandalism | Oct 23 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | "As with cocaine in Coca-Cola, lithium was widely marketed as one of a number of patent medicine products popular in the late-19th and early-20th centuries, and was later to evolve into a refreshment beverage. 7 Up was created by Charles Leiper Grigg who launched his St. Louis-based company The Howdy Corporation in 1920. Grigg came up with the formula for a lemon-lime soft drink in 1929. The product, originally named "Bib-Label Lithiated Lemon-Lime | Oct 23 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Soda", was launched two weeks before the Wall Street Crash of 1929, just when it would be most needed" | Oct 23 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | lol at the last bit | Oct 23 04:17 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : do u think that firefox do have room for improvement? | Oct 23 04:24 |
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| DaemonFC | it has lots of room for improvement | Oct 23 04:35 |
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| ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC, what has lot of room for improvement | Oct 23 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | ziggyfish: Firefox | Oct 23 04:39 |
| ziggyfish_ | missed the first part of the discussion | Oct 23 04:39 |
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| EDavidBurg | I've been quoted on boycott boycott novell from the logs of this channel. | Oct 23 05:03 |
| EDavidBurg | hey there lefty | Oct 23 05:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] PNHP: “Public option” bait-and-switch campaign fools pollsters http://ur1.ca/e8gb #publicoption #hc | Oct 23 05:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @sarahlee310 New Weiner Study Shows 151 Members of House and Senate Get the “Public Option” http://bit.ly/TL1qI #hcr #singlepayer | Oct 23 05:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Big Blue union calls for probe of all IBM execs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/22/allianceibm_call_for_investigation_executives/ | Oct 23 08:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT@change_congress petition @jc4congress to stop selling out! No exemption for used car dealers. http://act.ly/ps RT to sign #actly | Oct 23 08:37 | |
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| schestowitz | Perlow turns humour from Linus into another smear of RMS. http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11403 | Oct 23 08:40 |
| tessier | http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 | Oct 23 08:44 |
| tessier | You go, Linus! ROFL | Oct 23 08:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.jivesoftware.com/news/releases/2009/10/jive-software-secures-12-million-in-series-b-funding-from-sequoia-capital-to-accelerate-growth | Oct 23 08:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1102542/000114420409053428/v163103_8k.htm | Oct 23 08:45 |
| fewa | MSFT's earnings report hardly made an effect | Oct 23 08:48 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] s/fan/fun LOL, this guy is missing the point: http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11403 | Oct 23 08:54 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] some people can't sleep without attacking RMS and FSF #fail http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11403 | Oct 23 08:54 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10/expectations_low_for_microsoft_despite_signs_of_tech_recovery.html?ana=from_rss | Oct 23 08:55 |
| schestowitz | expecting a rather sharp decline even in revenue, not just profit. | Oct 23 08:55 |
| schestowitz | "Despite new signs of life in the PC market and positive quarterly reports from other tech giants, Wall Street analysts aren't expecting a great quarter. Analysts surveyed by Thomson Reuters expect revenues to decline 18 percent, to $12.4 billion, with earnings falling to 32 cents per share, down from 48 cents in the same quarter last year." | Oct 23 08:55 |
| schestowitz | 9:30 ET | Oct 23 08:55 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Workshop on free software held -story by @the_hindu http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/22/stories/2009102258360200.htm | Oct 23 09:14 | |
| schestowitz | Some company near Microsoft receives money from a criminal's foundation: Walk Score Receives Grant From Rockefeller Foundation to Open Source its Code < http://ostatic.com/blog/walk-score-receives-grant-from-rockefeller-foundation-to-open-source-its-code > | Oct 23 09:17 |
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| schestowitz | MicrosoftFolks try to find excuses for bogus leap years. Why do we need serial dates in the Transitional form of IS 29500? < http://aristippus303.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/why-do-we-need-serial-dates-in-the-transitional-form-of-is-29500/ > | Oct 23 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Troll/mole: http://twitter.com/jlundstocholm/statuses/5040443600 Sometimes I think about making edits to #ODF Wikipedia-page ... just to piss off @schestowitz http://bit.ly/3MaMJL | Oct 23 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: new: http://kde-files.org/content/show.php?content=114158 | Oct 23 09:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and so the Windows 7 problems begin: http://bit.ly/8qmvW good luck to all using it. #microsoft | Oct 23 09:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and some more Windows 7 issues: http://bit.ly/2BX1mr no surprise for any Vista victims? #microsoft | Oct 23 09:44 | |
| schestowitz | Apple 'quality' http://twitter.com/fiberartisan/statuses/5080895506 | Oct 23 09:44 |
| Mutex_ | or his illegal cracker program is not working, it's not like he's trying to play a game he actually owns, he's trying to crack a game and it's not working, so how is that a problem with Win 7 ? | Oct 23 09:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wonder if Windows 7 has this sorted? http://bit.ly/npuzX Windows 7 failing to start! #microsoft | Oct 23 09:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Welcome back old friend! Yep its BSOD time for Windows 7 http://bit.ly/3xOIA # | Oct 23 09:49 | |
| schestowitz | Bad Idea Central: Toyota Sued After Viral Marketing Attempt Convinced Woman She Was Being Stalked < http://techdirt.com/articles/20091022/0415006635.shtml > | Oct 23 09:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another publication says goodbye to the Net http://ping.fm/xOSA7 (Newsday.com moves to subscriber model) | Oct 23 10:03 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Welcome back old friend! Yep its BSOD time for Windows 7 http://bit.ly/3xOIA (via: _goblin) | Oct 23 10:09 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz I am glad the BBC mentioned Ubuntu in a Windows 7 article I read | Oct 23 10:16 |
| zer0c00l | sebsebseb: Which article ? | Oct 23 10:16 |
| sebsebseb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8319083.stm | Oct 23 10:17 |
| sebsebseb | zer0c00l it really is Vista version 2, sounds like it, looks like it in many ways etc | Oct 23 10:18 |
| Mutex_ | sure, it's built on allready existing versions of windows, that is clear, but so what, how is that any different to any other software, im quite sure GNU/Linux builds from previous versions as well, is there anything wrong with that ? I dont think so. | Oct 23 10:22 |
| zer0c00l | sebsebseb: Vista sp3 | Oct 23 10:22 |
| zer0c00l | lol | Oct 23 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | Mutex_ the main thing is, there will be a new one in 2014 I expect or before then, and most people who bought Windows 7 won't be able to legally uprade to it for free | Oct 23 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | plus with Microsoft you don't really know what's going on properly, unless I guess your part of MSDN or something, but even then you might not know properly I guess | Oct 23 10:23 |
| Mutex_ | and im sure there will be new versions of linux by 2014 as well, again what's your point ? | Oct 23 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | with Ubuntu for example I already know that the software centre is going to become pretty impressive http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntusoftwarecenter | Oct 23 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | Mutex_ yes that's right, and I can get a new one no problem, for free, without paying anything :) | Oct 23 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | with Windows nope | Oct 23 10:25 |
| sebsebseb | with Mac OS X again nope | Oct 23 10:25 |
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| sebsebseb | that's just a side thing really, that most opensource/freesoftware is also free as in price | Oct 23 10:25 |
| zer0c00l | sebsebseb: Page doesn't exist; | Oct 23 10:26 |
| Mutex_ | so the fact that it's not free is what your complaining about, not that it's another version of windows. | Oct 23 10:26 |
| Mutex_ | ? | Oct 23 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | zer0c00l probably a stupid case sensitive url | Oct 23 10:26 |
| zer0c00l | sebsebseb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntusoftwarecenter | Oct 23 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | try | Oct 23 10:26 |
| zer0c00l | sebsebseb: ok | Oct 23 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | UbuntuSoftwareCenter | Oct 23 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | or something | Oct 23 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | or if you really want I can go on it again and copy in the link | Oct 23 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | Mutex_ and with propritary software it's about vender lock in | Oct 23 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | wikipedia has a great vender lock in page by the way | Oct 23 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | restricting our freedoms etc, as Stallman and that would say, and they have a point | Oct 23 10:27 |
| Mutex_ | so it's about vender locking and the fact that Win 7 cost money, at least I can see what your issues are. | Oct 23 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Big Blue kills off CSM clustering http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/22/ibm_kills_csm_clustering/ | Oct 23 10:29 |
| schestowitz | [10:22] <Mutex_> sure, it's built on allready existing versions of windows, that is clear, but so what, how is that any different to any other software, im quite sure GNU/Linux builds from previous versions as well, is there anything wrong with that ? I dont think so. | Oct 23 10:29 |
| schestowitz | You don't BUY Linux upgrades | Oct 23 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Linux is updated several times per year | Oct 23 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | plus it should pretty much be common sense really, even for the majority of non proggrammers, that if whatever makes a program (source code yes) is open to the general public, so proggrammers from all over the world can contribute, that it is likely that with popular projects (Firefox, Apache, Linux, Open Office, etc) that development is going to be pretty fast, and pretty good as well, sometimes much better than the closed | Oct 23 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | source equvilants | Oct 23 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft #1: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/picture-galleries/6095356/Photoshop-Disasters-the-Microsoft-racism-row-and-more-photo-retouching-blunders.html | Oct 23 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | yeah commercial software development tends to be rather slow, one reason Microsoft don't do a new version of Windows say every year, I mean six months would be to much for them really if they could, because people would find it hard to pick a version to buy | Oct 23 10:31 |
| Mutex_ | if I upgrade my RAm or CPU or motherboard, I fully expect to pay for that, and to pay more for higher performance or quality. Most people dont have an issue with that. | Oct 23 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | since opensource/freesoftware isn't being sold it can just continue to improve, where as with commercial software, Windows is a good example, they have to kill off there older versions, to sell a lot of the new one, which also means if you think about it that really they can't put in to much effort when it comes to improvements | Oct 23 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | Mutex_ paying for hardware is fine, it's a psyical object, even Richard Stallman has an article saying that it is fine to pay for hardware | Oct 23 10:32 |
| Mutex_ | software is physical as well, and without it you're screwed. | Oct 23 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | software is not a physical object that you can touch | Oct 23 10:33 |
| Mutex_ | just because it's small does not mean it's not physical, if it's not physical what is it ? | Oct 23 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | when you touch for example your Windows VIsta DVD, (you probably have one :D) no your not touching Vista, your touching the DVD that it is on | Oct 23 10:34 |
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| sebsebseb | I guess the word your after Mutex_ is virtual | Oct 23 10:34 |
| Mutex_ | no, if bumps on a DVD or electronics in RAM are not physical what is it ? | Oct 23 10:35 |
| Mutex_ | you telling me electricity is not physical ? | Oct 23 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | software should be like an art, according to Free Software guys, well I think that's basically what they say | Oct 23 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | same thing for music really | Oct 23 10:35 |
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| ender2070 | it could be metaphyiscal | Oct 23 10:35 |
| Mutex_ | stick your tongue in a power socket them | Oct 23 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | music should be an art really, not about making loads of money, indeed at that, but there is also loads of good commercial music out there | Oct 23 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | and not many people listen to for example the Creative Commons music | Oct 23 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | plus as some would say, music artisits need to make money as well | Oct 23 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | ,but people can say that about proggrammers as well, ,but does that mean that in that case, it's ok for them to program commercial software as a living? I guess according to FSF it's not, and also a lot of the best opensource/freesoftware proggrammers get paid to do it as far as I know | Oct 23 10:38 |
| sebsebseb | personalley in general I would rather use software made by a community of developers where most of them are also volunters, and sometimes try and promote some of it to other people even, and fortunatly most opensource/freesoftware today is pretty good, and some of it can compete rather properly against commercial software, which is a good thing. For example, Firefox vs IE, and Apache vs IIS. Competitions means inovation and choice | Oct 23 10:41 |
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| priest | hello | Oct 23 10:42 |
| schestowitz | tessier: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/CentOS-5-4-released-836325.html | Oct 23 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Hey, priest | Oct 23 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | Mutex_ Mac users in general don't have an issue with buying software for their Mac, but I wonder how many of them actsaully know about how a lot of opensource/freesoftware is used in it and that, and then how they can get most of the real advantages of OS X for free in many Linux distros. | Oct 23 10:43 |
| priest | Nokia bought Trolltech in 2008. Does anyone know if Nokia are using their new c++ expertise to gain patents? | Oct 23 10:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Alright, girls too have six packs these days? (pic) LOL RT: @the_hindu: Got a fancy for those six packs? Just read.. http://bit.ly/1AR5gR | Oct 23 10:44 | |
| schestowitz | Vista 7: "Oh no - not another repack" http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39825936-39001068c-20104783o,00.htm | Oct 23 10:45 |
| schestowitz | priest: very possible | Oct 23 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Nokia LOVES software patents. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=site%3Aboycottnovell.com+nokia+patents&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Oct 23 10:46 |
| schestowitz | It lobbied for swpat in EU, as well | Oct 23 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | schewstowitz Yes they have sued Apple over the iphone or whatever | Oct 23 10:46 |
| priest | Yes it is. Nokia are evil in some ways. | Oct 23 10:46 |
| priest | I was wondering if anyone knew of a nokia sw patent aqquired by the qt team | Oct 23 10:48 |
| priest | I have been googling around -with no luck | Oct 23 10:49 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, I know | Oct 23 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Does Trolltech have patents? | Oct 23 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Or did Nokia had the staff file for some? | Oct 23 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Norway doesn't allow swpat | Oct 23 10:51 |
| schestowitz | But Nokia make a Symbian precedence in the UK, making the swpat practice acceptable there. look up 'dll' | Oct 23 10:51 |
| schestowitz | FFII ranks Nokia quite high in the s*list (lobbyists), along with Philips and SAP | Oct 23 10:53 |
| priest | I dont think trolltech had any sw patent portfolio of significance. I just wonder if the staff are wasting time today filing a bunch of sw patents for nokia | Oct 23 10:53 |
| ender2070 | Qt is nice though | Oct 23 10:53 |
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| priest | it would be a shame to see sw developers spend time filing patens instead of doing real work | Oct 23 10:55 |
| schestowitz | It would be nice is KDE issued a statement to denounce Nokia | Oct 23 10:56 |
| schestowitz | But Apple too is pissing KDE off | Oct 23 10:56 |
| schestowitz | With patents | Oct 23 10:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=trolltech+patents&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Oct 23 10:56 |
| ender2070 | Nokia can't do much unless they want to piss off devs | Oct 23 10:56 |
| priest | well hurting KDE is a way of hurting Nokias qt .. | Oct 23 10:57 |
| ender2070 | I like KDE | Oct 23 10:58 |
| priest | ender2070> well the qt guys are doing mixed commercial software anyway. So maybe they just accepted the patents too. | Oct 23 10:58 |
| ender2070 | the alternative is gnome.net with ms patents | Oct 23 10:58 |
| priest | no the alternative is to fight patents every where - all the time | Oct 23 10:59 |
| ender2070 | oh well that wont be easy | Oct 23 11:01 |
| priest | nobody said it should be easy | Oct 23 11:01 |
| ender2070 | hanging around in irc bashing nokia, who is probably using them defensively isn't going to change anything | Oct 23 11:02 |
| priest | anyway.. do you guys know if there is a site where i can search for nokia patents involving eg c++? | Oct 23 11:02 |
| priest | nokia is using patents to milk money from virtual every cell phone producer | Oct 23 11:03 |
| priest | that is not a defensive patent policy | Oct 23 11:04 |
| ender2070 | anything under the lgpl should be okay for us | Oct 23 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | oh 7 can boot in 11 seconds hmm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8232995.stm | Oct 23 11:04 |
| ender2070 | everyone is trying to milk cell phone producers | Oct 23 11:05 |
| ender2070 | the cell phone market is full of that kind of stuff | Oct 23 11:05 |
| priest | yeas but no one is doing it as wel as nokia. | Oct 23 11:05 |
| schestowitz | [11:02] <ender2070> hanging around in irc bashing nokia, who is probably using them defensively isn't going to change anything | Oct 23 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Defensively how? | Oct 23 11:06 |
| schestowitz | They 'defend' their cash cow | Oct 23 11:06 |
| schestowitz | By suing rivals | Oct 23 11:06 |
| ender2070 | perhaps countersuing those who sue them? | Oct 23 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Nokia ALSO has MPEG patents in the pool | Oct 23 11:06 |
| schestowitz | So Apple FIGHTS against OGG | Oct 23 11:06 |
| schestowitz | It makes money when you're jammed with the "bad" codecs | Oct 23 11:07 |
| schestowitz | [11:04] <sebsebseb> oh 7 can boot in 11 seconds hmm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8232995.stm | Oct 23 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Linux can boot in less than a second | Oct 23 11:07 |
| ender2070 | ok, even if they are using them aggressively | Oct 23 11:07 |
| schestowitz | It depends how one measures it | Oct 23 11:07 |
| ender2070 | how does talking in irc change anything | Oct 23 11:07 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna do a long post about it | Oct 23 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Nokia needs to be told off | Oct 23 11:08 |
| priest | schestowitz> do you have any good ideas how to gain knowledge about qt softwares patent policy? | Oct 23 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise they give grounds for Apple to sue Palm and others | Oct 23 11:08 |
| ender2070 | Palm isn't that much better | Oct 23 11:08 |
| schestowitz | >> qt softwares patent policy? | Oct 23 11:08 |
| schestowitz | QT is not a company | Oct 23 11:08 |
| schestowitz | So it has no policy | Oct 23 11:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure it has a cute (Qt) policy | Oct 23 11:09 |
| ender2070 | Palm is spying on people with webos | Oct 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Vista 7 boots more slowly than Vista sometimes | Oct 23 11:10 |
| priest | no it is of course ruled by nokia now. but the guys at trolltech must have felt some change in the matter of patent policy since nokia bought them | Oct 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | The MSBBC is not a good source | Oct 23 11:10 |
| ender2070 | including gps coordinates | Oct 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | It's propaganda, as always | Oct 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | They are business partners with Microsoft, and they are being told off for how they cover V7 | Oct 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: it's very kind of Palm, they babysit you from their HQ | Oct 23 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Like a loving parent :-) | Oct 23 11:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz I wanted to start there, before looking at articles about it from Linux people and that | Oct 23 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Google give you c00kies | Oct 23 11:11 |
| sebsebseb | I expect Steven J. Vaghen Nicholas (or however his name is spelt) has an article, he is my favourite Linux and that articles authour | Oct 23 11:12 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_7_Reality_Log | Oct 23 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 Hard to Install, Slower Than Vista Sometimes http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/06/kvue-wrestles-with-vista-7/ | Oct 23 11:12 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: he reviewed it on a subnotebooks. SJVN says it's too slow | Oct 23 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | BBC did mention Wintel though | Oct 23 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | by the sounds of it it's up to the OEM's how fast Windows 7 will actsaully boot also | Oct 23 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | where as I guess with Ubuntu 9.10 and Ext4, it's going to boot up pretty much the same on any supported hardware | Oct 23 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | and the new thing for speed | Oct 23 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | I found it interesting that BBC called the Intel and Microsoft thing, Wintel | Oct 23 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but maybe loads of people do, I don't exactly follow Intel, and find out what's going on | Oct 23 11:18 |
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| Mutex_ | mabey they were refering to INTEL's acquisition of Wind River, therefore "Wintel" :) | Oct 23 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | Mutex well in the 11 seconds boot up article I linked to | Oct 23 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | Wintel is not derogatory | Oct 23 11:23 |
| Mutex_ | I dont think so either. | Oct 23 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Not like saying the truth about them having a collusion going on, which is a crime | Oct 23 11:23 |
| Mutex_ | what collusion ? between MS and INTEL ? | Oct 23 11:24 |
| schestowitz | "Boo to that Mandriva thing. What is that, anyway? What a dumb name." http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014273o-2000498448b,00.htm | Oct 23 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Seems like adamW is pissed off with Mandriva | Oct 23 11:31 |
| schestowitz | But there's that wink | Oct 23 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Dunno how well intended it really is | Oct 23 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla confirms Firefox updates and beta delayed http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Mozilla-confirms-Firefox-updates-and-beta-delayed-836687.html | Oct 23 11:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2009/10/possibly-funniest-programming-joke-ever.html | Oct 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/22/asset-scanning-with-nmap-and-ndiff/ | Oct 23 11:41 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/new-full-time-blender-developer-matt-ebb/ Interesting | Oct 23 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Oct 23 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I was just about to post some links | Oct 23 11:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz oiaohm Heh I guess at Microsoft's usage of the word "open" and that in the second video http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7693993.stm Also I would rather trust Canonical with my data than Microsoft, but I am not planning on using Ubuntu One for that. | Oct 23 11:48 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: BBC is very US corporations-leaning here | Oct 23 11:49 |
| sebsebseb | meaning? | Oct 23 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Better read about the subject from other sources | Oct 23 11:50 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: they are business oriented, selling products | Oct 23 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Promoting, not investigating. Example: BBC would cover Google Earth, not so much of OpenStreetMap | Oct 23 11:51 |
| sebsebseb | it's an article about cloud computing, the last video is a Google one | Oct 23 11:51 |
| schestowitz | They promote this notion that some big 'responsible' corporations will take care of human kind | Oct 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | In this case, there's this characterisation with FB, Google, BT... | Oct 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | But they leave out a lot of other stuff | Oct 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Craigslist for example | Oct 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's bad publicity for them | Oct 23 11:52 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah never seen the BBC technology sections article get pretty negative about them | Oct 23 11:52 |
| sebsebseb | if that's what you mean | Oct 23 11:52 |
| oiaohm | The interesting one about the blender one we don't have a single clue who is paying for the developer for 9 months. | Oct 23 11:53 |
| sebsebseb | uh wrong words | Oct 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | The press is known to have engaged in disrepute attacks on Craigslist cause it's taking their classified ad revenue away | Oct 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: nope | Oct 23 11:53 |
| sebsebseb | Well yeah never seen the BBC technolgoy section's articles get pretty negative about something | Oct 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | My point is, there are many important projects that are left out | Oct 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Cause they judge "good articles" by readership | Oct 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday I posted here a link about AP doing the same | Oct 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | And this is sad | Oct 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Cause they know names like "Google" get people's attention | Oct 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | So any little burp from Google gets a headline | Oct 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Even junk like Knol | Oct 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Because it says "Google" | Oct 23 11:54 |
| sebsebseb | well they got to do articles about what people know about really, for example Abiword is a rather nice alternative to Microsoft Word, but it's only mainly opensource/freesoftware people that know about it, if BBC did an article about it all of a sudden, how many people would read it? | Oct 23 11:55 |
| Mutex_ | thats is probably because it's "newsworthy". for good or bad. | Oct 23 11:55 |
| sebsebseb | What I just said is that what you meant schestwoitz or? | Oct 23 11:56 |
| sebsebseb | ah ha it's about the company name ok, and what is Knol? | Oct 23 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Problem here sebsebseb to get all most all of MS Office function you need to combind koffice and openoffice. | Oct 23 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Big problem is koffice is still not the nicest thing to get for Windows. | Oct 23 11:58 |
| sebsebseb | I have haven't used KOffice properly, I have had it installed before | Oct 23 11:59 |
| oiaohm | kplato is a great project replacement | Oct 23 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | yeah maybe OpenOffice and KOffice should merge? | Oct 23 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | thing is one uses QT and the other uses GTK or whatever? | Oct 23 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Not really. We want competition. | Oct 23 11:59 |
| oiaohm | OpenOffice is half and half with 3.2 | Oct 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Part QT part GTK | Oct 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Part its own beast | Oct 23 12:00 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess even Microsoft's cloud computing thing will work with Linux? | Oct 23 12:01 |
| sebsebseb | if not that's a bit silly of them | Oct 23 12:01 |
| sebsebseb | and by the sounds of the video it's meant to work with differnet devices | Oct 23 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Also koffice is being supported by nokia sebsebseb | Oct 23 12:02 |
| sebsebseb | oh? well Nokia bought Trolltech/QT or whatever | Oct 23 12:03 |
| oiaohm | koffice does not have the java dependancy sebsebseb | Oct 23 12:03 |
| sebsebseb | ok what about that? | Oct 23 12:04 |
| sebsebseb | you don't like Java? | Oct 23 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Java is not exactly light sebsebseb | Oct 23 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly friendly for devices trying to run with low power usage. | Oct 23 12:04 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Oct 23 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Besides you always want 2 competing with each other sebsebseb | Oct 23 12:10 |
| oiaohm | or you get the classic cases of bit rot like gcc and x.org suffered from. | Oct 23 12:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz Slightly negative comments here :D as well as positive ones http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8315298.stm I guess the BBC can't talk bad about whatever product their covering, but commenters can at the bottom of the article, when comments are accepted. | Oct 23 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Not it called trying to hide you are bias sebsebseb | Oct 23 12:16 |
| oiaohm | If all comments were postive it would be dead obersice that there was bias sebsebseb | Oct 23 12:16 |
| sebsebseb | You mean BBC are trying to make them selves look fair to the whole thing, by accepting a few negative comments? | Oct 23 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Third comment sebsebseb "Ken, Fairfax, CA, USA" How is it the easyest upgrade when you have to reinstall every application. | Oct 23 12:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Raytheon 's Use of #Linux Hits the Press http://ur1.ca/e93k http://ur1.ca/e93l | Oct 23 12:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Parade Rained on by #GNU #Linux, Bad Microsoft Results Looming http://ur1.ca/e93o http://ur1.ca/e93p http://ur1.ca/e93q | Oct 23 12:21 | |
| oiaohm | Very few of the comments are postive sebsebseb and there is one postive that is a true down right lie. | Oct 23 12:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Fazer upgrade pro Karmic | Oct 23 12:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Norbit Goes for #Linux for Industrial #Electronics http://bit.ly/4uzCRB | Oct 23 12:22 | |
| sebsebseb | Ok I am not following, what are you trying to get at exactly? | Oct 23 12:22 |
| oiaohm | 3 comment there is no easy way to migrate cleanly from XP to Windows 7 that is comment is simply a lie. | Oct 23 12:23 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @rahulsundaram: Cute article on what's new in #Fedora 12 at http://linuxers.org/article/whats-new-fedora-12 | Oct 23 12:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Aardman Targets #GNU #Linux #Clusters http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/10745 | Oct 23 12:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Has Improves Role in Evolving IT Landscape http://bit.ly/37Stj0 | Oct 23 12:28 | |
| sebsebseb | well some of us can decide to not use WIndows 7 no problem basicalley :D and for many XP would still be the better release, for some Vista even | Oct 23 12:28 |
| sebsebseb | also it seems the Windows logo is the default background???? that fish background in the RC was better | Oct 23 12:29 |
| cubezzz | Has Improves? :) | Oct 23 12:29 |
| Mutex_ | yes, sebsebseb, you are FREE to use whatever you choose, thats the great thing about freedom, (well the normal definition of the word). | Oct 23 12:30 |
| sebsebseb | Mutex_ actsaully an OS that I am 100% happy with or very nearly, doesn't seem to exist, and that's where vm's come in | Oct 23 12:33 |
| cubezzz | is anyone ever 100% happy? | Oct 23 12:34 |
| Mutex_ | does a vm creat for you an operating system that you are 100% happy with ? | Oct 23 12:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Advocacy of #Desktop #GNU #Linux Gets New Pitch http://bit.ly/2JbBk9 | Oct 23 12:35 | |
| sebsebseb | Mutex_ no, but then I can do stuff with differnet ones, that have features I want or whatever | Oct 23 12:35 |
| Mutex_ | ok, so getting the best of them all, fair enough, good idea. | Oct 23 12:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Gets Universal Binaries Improvement: FatELF http://bit.ly/4wnWlS | Oct 23 12:37 | |
| oiaohm | FatELF may change form before it ends up in the mainline kernel yet. Way it implemented has been questioned. | Oct 23 12:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is "Takin' Care of Business" http://www.hometownlife.com/article/20091022/NEWS13/910220311 | Oct 23 12:41 | |
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| sebsebseb | Mutlex_ well not the best of everything, just whatever I want to run at the time, for whatever reason | Oct 23 12:46 |
| Mutex_ | yes, I agree, like most people I also use what works for me and does what I need | Oct 23 12:47 |
| sebsebseb | Mutlex_ vm's will mainly/only be for fun/play not need in my case | Oct 23 12:48 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @tuxmaniac: Tried Windows 7. Looks like polished KDE4.x. Most of the claimed "coolnew" features have been around in Linux world over 2yr | Oct 23 12:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many New #Linux Drivers Released: #AMD , #NVIDIA , #S3 http://ur1.ca/e95y http://ur1.ca/e95z http://ur1.ca/e960 | Oct 23 12:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of a Dozen #PDF -viewing Applications for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/e96p http://ur1.ca/e96r #choice #diversity | Oct 23 13:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Desktop Function Gets Centered Around #WebBrowsers http://ur1.ca/e971 | Oct 23 13:03 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Hulu closes doors in 2011 http://ur1.ca/e96v | Oct 23 13:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME 2.28.1 is Released, #KDE Recruits Semantic Desktop Hackers http://ur1.ca/e97b http://ur1.ca/e97d | Oct 23 13:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #xPUD #GNU #Linux in #Review http://bit.ly/367oDX #chrissmart | Oct 23 13:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Finds New #GNU #Linux Customers in the #MiddleEast http://ur1.ca/e97q http://ur1.ca/e97r | Oct 23 13:08 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dalton Chiscolm is a #hero, #BoA continues to screw customers http://ur1.ca/e97f | Oct 23 13:09 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Yet another #netneutrality petition http://bit.ly/Q219L | Oct 23 13:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at #Fedora 12 Features, Ars Loves It http://ur1.ca/e98g http://ur1.ca/e8zx #gnu #linux | Oct 23 13:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CentOS Going Strong with 5.4 Release (Piggybacking #RedHat 's Growth) http://ur1.ca/e98j | Oct 23 13:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Days Away, #RC Reached http://ur1.ca/e98l http://ur1.ca/e98m http://ur1.ca/e98n http://ur1.ca/e98o | Oct 23 13:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Detailed Look at What #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Has in Store http://ur1.ca/e98t http://ur1.ca/e98u | Oct 23 13:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WindRiver #Linux in #SDR , New Interview with Chief http://ur1.ca/e98y http://ur1.ca/e98z | Oct 23 13:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #Linux #Phone Platform Spreads Widely, #GooglePhone Coming http://ur1.ca/e99i http://ur1.ca/e99j | Oct 23 13:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's Newest #Linux Device Gets More Karma Points http://ur1.ca/e99n http://ur1.ca/e99o | Oct 23 13:33 | |
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| oiaohm | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/23/0136246/Chinese-Govt-Pushing-Linux-In-Rural-China-With-Subsidies Boy person trying to spin doc majorally. | Oct 23 13:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LiMo Shows New #Linux User Interface http://bit.ly/ZzFTU | Oct 23 13:36 | |
| Omar87 | Did Nokia sue Apple over IP infringements in iPhone? | Oct 23 13:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS Said to be Running Back to #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/e99x #betterwithlinux | Oct 23 13:39 | |
| oiaohm | Yes Omar87 | Oct 23 13:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EasyPeasy #GNU #Linux 1.5 in #Review http://bit.ly/1L3U6E | Oct 23 13:40 | |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, do you think such a case would win? | Oct 23 13:40 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, 'coz personally I hope it does. | Oct 23 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Nokia Omar87 | Oct 23 13:41 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, huh? | Oct 23 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Since Nokia designed lot of back end hardware to make phones and gets paid for it. | Oct 23 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Apple decided to use there own and not pay. | Oct 23 13:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @lucy @popey @popey A response to your blog post on the BBC: http://bit.ly/wnI7E | Oct 23 13:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Collaborative Work on Free(dom) Software Defended http://bit.ly/15ZliW | Oct 23 13:42 | |
| Omar87 | Apple decided to use their own back end hardware? | Oct 23 13:42 |
| oiaohm | The ten patents in suit relate to technologies fundamental to making devices which are compatible with one or more of the GSM, UMTS (3G WCDMA) and wireless LAN standards << Nokia sueing over base techs. | Oct 23 13:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Has a Way of Capitalising on #FogComputing http://bit.ly/2nCja | Oct 23 13:43 | |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, so Nokia is more likely to win the case? | Oct 23 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Now the wireless LAN one Apple might be able to break the others they are up creek. | Oct 23 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Very likely to win Omar87 | Oct 23 13:43 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I hope so. | Oct 23 13:43 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, 'coz Apple does deserve a nice and painful kick in the balls, imho. | Oct 23 13:44 |
| oiaohm | http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20091022/twl-nokia-to-sue-apple-over-iphone-tech-3fd0ae9.html | Oct 23 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Thing is out of all the phone makers apple is about the only one that don't chip some money to Nokia. | Oct 23 13:45 |
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| oiaohm | Also nokia wants to send a message to all the PC makers thinking about entering the phone game. | Oct 23 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Be prepared to pay up Omar87 | Oct 23 13:46 |
| oiaohm | I don't see this as 100 percent good. | Oct 23 13:46 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, it's not 100% good, but it's no less than 80% good either. | Oct 23 13:48 |
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| cubezzz | someone must have grabbed fedora.org | Oct 23 13:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Mobile is Coming to #Linux , #TrueCrypt 6.3 Released http://ur1.ca/e9ao http://ur1.ca/e9ap | Oct 23 13:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sun and #Oracle May Lose #MySQL to Independence http://ur1.ca/e9ax http://ur1.ca/e9b0 | Oct 23 13:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Python 3 Migration to be Made Simpler by Freeze http://ur1.ca/e9b1 http://ur1.ca/e9b2 | Oct 23 13:56 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/chromanid/ Ok video up there in weird status. | Oct 23 13:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Fail to Understand Alternative Profit Models http://ur1.ca/e9bs | Oct 23 14:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Newspapers -- Like the #MAFIAA -- Litigate Against Competition http://ur1.ca/e9c2 http://ur1.ca/e9c3 | Oct 23 14:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Terrible Financial Results for #Microsoft to be Released Shortly http://ur1.ca/e9co http://ur1.ca/e9cp | Oct 23 14:17 | |
| cubezzz | 2009 wasn't a great year for business | Oct 23 14:19 |
| oiaohm | And you think 2010 is going to be better ? | Oct 23 14:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Click #Fraud Comes from #Windows #Zombies http://bit.ly/1xKG7X | Oct 23 14:20 | |
| oiaohm | Vaporising a large ammount of fake money was going to come with a thump. | Oct 23 14:20 |
| oiaohm | The scary bit is not all the fake money that has to vapiorise is vaporised yet. | Oct 23 14:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Wins in #Norway http://www.epractice.eu/en/news/294346 | Oct 23 14:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open #Search #Server Supports #ODF http://ur1.ca/e9d2 http://ur1.ca/e9d3 | Oct 23 14:23 | |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Oct 23 14:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | oooh! | Oct 23 14:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Service Checks #Validation of #ODF Signatures http://bit.ly/42JJsH | Oct 23 14:24 | |
| Diablo-D3 | MS's q2 report is coming out today? | Oct 23 14:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | er q4 | Oct 23 14:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | qsomething | Oct 23 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 23 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Could you see if you can find it in ms.com? | Oct 23 14:25 |
| schestowitz | It ought to be out in 8 minutes, I think | Oct 23 14:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'll tell you when it pops up in my news reader | Oct 23 14:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish msft had a normal fiscal year | Oct 23 14:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | their q4 ends in june | Oct 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, confusing | Oct 23 14:29 |
| Mutx | it's the same in Australia, | Oct 23 14:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | Mutx: but WE DONT LIVE IN AUSTRALIA | Oct 23 14:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | me, nor roy, nor bill gates live in australia. | Oct 23 14:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | that, and companies can have their fiscal year start whenever they want | Oct 23 14:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just usually somewhere near the real year | Oct 23 14:30 |
| Mutx | I actually know that, but I also know it's the same in Australia, I dont see your point. | Oct 23 14:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, most US companies have their q4 end at the end of november, december, or january | Oct 23 14:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | depending on when they want christmas sales to show up | Oct 23 14:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | november, they show up in q1; december, they split between q4 and q1; january, they show up all in q4 | Oct 23 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Ok so not like here. fiscal year here is locked by tax rules. | Oct 23 14:32 |
| Mutx | yea, we reserve that time for christmass, parties and the beach, not doing EOY financials. | Oct 23 14:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: here, the tax rules imply you're sane | Oct 23 14:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | sadly, the tax rules arent, and neither is anyone else | Oct 23 14:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: companies file taxes around the same time every year no matter when their fiscal year ends | Oct 23 14:32 |
| oiaohm | There must be a june/july report on the stock market so tax man can compare both sets of numbers. | Oct 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | here. | Oct 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie Tax rules. | Oct 23 14:33 |
| schestowitz | "Early on Friday, software giant Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ: MSFT) said that net income fell to $3.57 billion, or 40 cents a share, from $4.37 billion, or 48 cents a share, in the year-ago quarter. Revenue dropped 14% to $12.92 billion" | Oct 23 14:33 |
| Mutx | oiaohm, did you see jperlow's comment that a "thumbs up" is an insult in Australia ? | Oct 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Ok jperlow's is nuts. Mutx | Oct 23 14:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive never heard of that | Oct 23 14:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44411/118/ | Oct 23 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | bam! | Oct 23 14:35 |
| Mutx | $12.29 billion for the year or the quarter ? | Oct 23 14:35 |
| Mutx | I guess the quarter | Oct 23 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the qurter | Oct 23 14:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | holy wtf | Oct 23 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: watch http://www.google.com/finance?q=msft | Oct 23 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | it opened 9% up | Oct 23 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | what fools | Oct 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Note both thumbs up not a problem. Single thumb up with a fast moving up on that arm can equal stick it up your ass. Not enough to get you thumped or anything. | Oct 23 14:39 |
| Mutx | good luck spinning that as a negative ! | Oct 23 14:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: that... almost means the same in the US | Oct 23 14:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you have to use your middle finger | Oct 23 14:39 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #MSFT revenue down 14% http://ur1.ca/e9eg http://ur1.ca/e9ej #microsoft | Oct 23 14:39 | |
| oiaohm | We have that one as well Diablo-D3 | Oct 23 14:39 |
| cubezzz | thumbs up can be sarcastic as well | Oct 23 14:40 |
| cubezzz | or used for hitch-hiking :) | Oct 23 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Most likely to get you into trouble is thumbs down. | Oct 23 14:40 |
| Mutx | yes, it can, but generally it's a postive thing to get a "thumbs up", | Oct 23 14:40 |
| oiaohm | I get away with murder using australian slang to insult a lot of overseas people they don't get it. | Oct 23 14:41 |
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| Mutx | yes, but a few more people are slowing working out what a "wanker" is :) | Oct 23 14:42 |
| cubezzz | British slang, I know most of it | Oct 23 14:43 |
| oiaohm | I have the old school ones. Like got a few kangroos loss in the top padock Mutx | Oct 23 14:43 |
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| Mutx | so you know about 'dogs eye' or "titfa" is :) | Oct 23 14:44 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, actually I don't know those ones | Oct 23 14:44 |
| Mutx | ryming slang | Oct 23 14:44 |
| Mutx | dogs eye = pie | Oct 23 14:44 |
| Mutx | titfa = titfa tat = hat | Oct 23 14:45 |
| Mutx | dog and bone = phone | Oct 23 14:45 |
| cubezzz | ok :) | Oct 23 14:45 |
| Mutx | trouble and strife = wife | Oct 23 14:46 |
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| oiaohm | And some areas of australia still use them. | Oct 23 14:47 |
| Mutx | yes | Oct 23 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Mostly not used in queensland where I am. | Oct 23 14:47 |
| oiaohm | But we do get vistors using them. | Oct 23 14:47 |
| Mutx | I thought you were a mexican oiaohm :) | Oct 23 14:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Income Down Sharply http://bit.ly/3XRDve #fail | Oct 23 14:48 | |
| oiaohm | Dyslexia stuffed english most people don't want to believe that a person like me could have passed english in high school. | Oct 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Yes I did pass. | Oct 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Mind you it was mostly pure lucky I had good days when the exams were on. | Oct 23 14:50 |
| Mutx | whats the overall market and economy down by ?? do you know roy ? | Oct 23 14:50 |
| Mutx | and NASDAC | Oct 23 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Apple IBM Google RHT up | Oct 23 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Now sod off | Oct 23 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "Better than expected" always amused me | Oct 23 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Companies set bars low to "beat expectations" | Oct 23 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has done these for years | Oct 23 14:53 |
| schestowitz | It's one of FraudStreet's dirty tricks | Oct 23 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Derivative scams, as well | Oct 23 14:54 |
| Mutx | sod off ? why, am I moving into areas that you dont want to consider Roy? you have to look at the entire market or the figures are meaningless, | Oct 23 14:54 |
| oiaohm | The point was you were way off Mutx | Oct 23 14:54 |
| Mutx | way off with what ? | Oct 23 14:54 |
| oiaohm | If you look at the IT companies in the NASDAC all are up bar MS. | Oct 23 14:54 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Oct 23 14:55 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft earned a meager $12.92 billion in the quarter ended Sept. 30, 2009" | Oct 23 14:55 |
| schestowitz | From TG Daily n00bs | Oct 23 14:55 |
| schestowitz | It's not earnings!! | Oct 23 14:55 |
| schestowitz | It's revenue | Oct 23 14:55 |
| schestowitz | That's the same fool who called to boycott Firefox and blamed Linux for SIdeKick issues | Oct 23 14:55 |
| schestowitz | He helps Microsoft with office | Oct 23 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sacked tons of people | Oct 23 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Now that other sections of the Mutx market got hit hard does not explain MS slump. | Oct 23 14:56 |
| schestowitz | So expenditure is down | Oct 23 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Profits down by like 20% nonetheless | Oct 23 14:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: also: | Oct 23 14:56 |
| schestowitz | October 2008 was bad also | Oct 23 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street was crashing in 2008 already | Oct 23 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Before the big collapse (biggest since Great Dep.) in Sept. 30th or thereabouts | Oct 23 14:57 |
| oiaohm | IBM sold more Linux less Windows. So basically nothing changed. | Oct 23 14:58 |
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| oiaohm | I really would not want to be MS staff wondering about if they will have a job. | Oct 23 14:59 |
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| Mutx | or SUN staff either | Oct 23 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Orcale is not doing bad Mutx | Oct 23 15:01 |
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| oiaohm | The insanity at the rate MS is going unless they are able to get number to improve soon a 5 billion dollar rev per quater ie google will have more operating income than MS pulling in 12 billion per quater. | Oct 23 15:08 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft has reached the point of saturation | Oct 23 15:09 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Europe will soon disconnect themselves from the #Internet http://ur1.ca/e9gh | Oct 23 15:09 | |
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| cubezzz | well people definitely should not be disconnected from the net | Oct 23 15:14 |
| cubezzz | it has become almost vital for so many things | Oct 23 15:14 |
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| cubezzz | either you have a free system, or you have the MCP :) | Oct 23 15:15 |
| cubezzz | need less Sark and more DuMount | Oct 23 15:16 |
| cubezzz | er, Dumont | Oct 23 15:16 |
| cubezzz | expect we really had a reverse TRON | Oct 23 15:17 |
| cubezzz | sort of | Oct 23 15:17 |
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| cubezzz | but the really bad stuff I thought might happen did not happen | Oct 23 15:18 |
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| cubezzz | but if you go back even further then you have the old monopolist of IBM | Oct 23 15:20 |
| cubezzz | it's like the car industry... | Oct 23 15:21 |
| cubezzz | when cars were first manufacturered there were tons of smaller car companies | Oct 23 15:22 |
| cubezzz | over time the companies are merged together and only a few really big companies remain | Oct 23 15:22 |
| trmanco | I'm on karmic | Oct 23 15:22 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/10/-freescale-the-ailing-semiconductor.ars This is a interesting bit of hardware change. | Oct 23 15:25 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: "Not every ASS.NET page breaks in Opera, but nearly every page that does break in Opera is built with ASS.NET." | Oct 23 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | from a post I'm doing about trying to get a copy of my CNA license on the Indiana state website | Oct 23 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: What is ASS.NET? ASP.NET lol | Oct 23 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I call it ASS.NET for two reasons | Oct 23 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | all the asses that use it | Oct 23 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | and what it looks like rendered in a standard compliant browser | Oct 23 15:31 |
| zer0c00l | ;) | Oct 23 15:31 |
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| willimm_ | back again | Oct 23 15:32 |
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| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: They did it deliberately ? | Oct 23 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, The state worker that was going to send me a duplicate license accidentally re-activated one of my licenses that I accidentally let expire several months ago | Oct 23 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 23 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Oct 23 15:32 |
| zer0c00l | i see; | Oct 23 15:33 |
| zer0c00l | ;) | Oct 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | the paper they send out will have both licenses on it and set to ACTIVE til July of 2011 | Oct 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'm on disability but I decided to reactivate them anyway because it's free to reactivate them but $700 to get them back if I ever let them lapse | Oct 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | plus I get to take the classes all over again | Oct 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't majorly pissed about the HHA license expiring cause I can get that one back easily if I had to | Oct 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | the CNA license is the one that would be a bitch to ever get back | Oct 23 15:35 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: | Oct 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, I used my CNA license yesterday to say I was a healthcare worker and get the 2009 H1N1 vaccine | Oct 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | so come the end of the world, I will live | Oct 23 15:36 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: What is CNA and HHA license? | Oct 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahaha | Oct 23 15:36 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: what do they cover? | Oct 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | Certified Nurse Aide and Home Health Aide | Oct 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | HHA is just basically an endorsement on top of the CNA license | Oct 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | it means I can work as a CNA in peoples homes | Oct 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | it has to be under a nurse but that's kind of on paper if you work agency | Oct 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | you'll usually never see a nurse out at a patient's home | Oct 23 15:37 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: ok | Oct 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, I liked working agency a lot better than nursing home | Oct 23 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | nursing home paid a little better but agency, you don't have the nurses breathing down your neck so much | Oct 23 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | you just go in, do the job, and leave | Oct 23 15:38 |
| zer0c00l | ok | Oct 23 15:39 |
| zer0c00l | i just got my driving license today :P | Oct 23 15:39 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Freescale to ship their i.MX ARM SoCs with optional e-ink display controller http://ur1.ca/e9i9 | Oct 23 15:39 | |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, I worked nursing home for three months on third shift before I quit, they paid $11 /hr which is pretty good for a CNA around here, and I got 40 hours or more a week | Oct 23 15:39 |
| zer0c00l | was driving without license for years | Oct 23 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | but the stress wasn't worth it | Oct 23 15:39 |
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| DaemonFC | the agency only paid $9.75 an hour but I could basically tell them what days I would work and they would offer me anything they had available those days | Oct 23 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | so if I told them "I need next Wednesday off", it would happen, no arguments or anything | Oct 23 15:41 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: cool | Oct 23 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | and you get mileage reimbursement and fuel reimbursement if you have to drive more than 10 miles | Oct 23 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | mileage reimbursement lets you subtract like 6 cents a mile from your federal taxes as a work expense, plus the gas reimbursement is another 50 cents an hour for that case | Oct 23 15:42 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: Thats a lot of information lol | Oct 23 15:42 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: i don't live in your country =) | Oct 23 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | plus I got extra hours from some of the families where they paid me under the table in cash | Oct 23 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | cause some of them were paying the agency the $20 an hour out of pocket | Oct 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | so I told them I'd come in for $11 an hour in cash on my own | Oct 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | picked up like 8-10 hours on Saturdays every week for months doing that | Oct 23 15:43 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: You must me doing a good job for getting that money out of their pocket ; | Oct 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | one family paid me to come in and sleep for my whole shift, and they were OK with that as long as I was there | Oct 23 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | their kids would just wake me up if they needed anything | Oct 23 15:44 |
| cubezzz | Fedora 11 seems very similar to Fedora 10 | Oct 23 15:44 |
| zer0c00l | cubezzz: yes | Oct 23 15:44 |
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| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, I miss that particular perk | Oct 23 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | $11 an hour to sleep for most of the 10 hour shift | Oct 23 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 23 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | sleep for 10 hours pays my rent for the entire week | Oct 23 15:45 |
| zer0c00l | cubezzz: They are implementing most of the features which are postponed in fedora 10 | Oct 23 15:45 |
| *cubezzz nods | Oct 23 15:45 | |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: ;) | Oct 23 15:46 |
| zer0c00l | cubezzz: I would like to have a feature named "multiseat" soon, sadly which is still 10% | Oct 23 15:47 |
| zer0c00l | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat | Oct 23 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, It's been in Userful for a while | Oct 23 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | I had to use Windows XP at the library today | Oct 23 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Oct 23 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | and IE 7 | Oct 23 15:47 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: yes, Xorg guys removed that it seems; | Oct 23 15:47 |
| zer0c00l | Lot of upstream work; | Oct 23 15:47 |
| *zer0c00l is scratching his head on emacs-goodies package | Oct 23 15:48 | |
| zer0c00l | Any one here uses emacs? | Oct 23 15:48 |
| zer0c00l | may be i could use a help; | Oct 23 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, The Windows version is surprisingly worse than the Linux one | Oct 23 15:49 |
| zer0c00l | I am trying to package emacs-goodies (debian package) for fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530090 | Oct 23 15:49 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: I never used windows version; | Oct 23 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | most GNU software that's ported to Windows is poorly maintained | Oct 23 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't make a good case for why you'd want to use Linux, if the Windows version is all you saw | Oct 23 15:51 |
| Mutex_ | which is a shame as it would be a great way to show windows users how good GNU things are. | Oct 23 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/call-em-out-the-indiana-state-website-is-using-microsoft-crap-and-screwing-over-standards-compliant-browsers/ | Oct 23 15:51 |
| Mutex_ | If they are notwell maintained, and a windows user tries it out, he will most probably not be impressed. | Oct 23 15:51 |
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| zer0c00l | DaemonFC, Mutex_ may be GNU could use your help ;) | Oct 23 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, GNU Aspell for Windows has been unmaintained since 2001 | Oct 23 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 23 15:52 |
| Mutex_ | yes, and once they come up with a quality assurance system that I can work under, ill be happy too. | Oct 23 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | my Windows 7 upgrade is at the post office | Oct 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | means it will be here about 3 PM | Oct 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | means I can get this rig off Vista | Oct 23 15:59 |
| zer0c00l | whereis schestowitz ? Away? | Oct 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | I used the Windows 7 RTM version on m old PC for a few months, it's not great, but it's nowhere near as bad as Vista | Oct 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | *my | Oct 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | you really do need a multicore CPU for it though, Randall Kennedy was correct | Oct 23 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | I tried it on an even older system with a Athlon64 3200+ and 2 gigs of RAM, it wasn't "slow", but it wasn't all that snappy with multitasking | Oct 23 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | thje Core 2 Duo helped it out a lot | Oct 23 16:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Oct 23 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | now I've got a Phenom II X4 @ 3 Ghz to run it on | Oct 23 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | that should give it a nice kick in the ass | Oct 23 16:01 |
| kevin009 | i can't believe how well ubuntu 9.10 runs on an old p4 | Oct 23 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I got an answer for my mom (vitamin nut) who asked me why some people exposed to a whole household of flu infected family members don't get it | Oct 23 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | she said it was strong immune system | Oct 23 16:02 |
| kevin009 | it is a 3 ghz machine with HT and a gig of ram... i got it for free because the cd drives quit working | Oct 23 16:03 |
| kevin009 | but that was just a software issue | Oct 23 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | but.... according to CDC, 2/3rds of flu infections produce no symptoms | Oct 23 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | so in theory I may have already had 2009 H1N1 and not even have known it | Oct 23 16:03 |
| zer0c00l | kevin009: sadly still we are having some donated machines with 256 mb of ram and old celeron processor | Oct 23 16:04 |
| kevin009 | the graphics card is pretty week though... it is a geforce6200 | Oct 23 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | the seasonal flu shot is next to useless though, but I'd still say that you should get both if you possibly can | Oct 23 16:04 |
| kevin009 | but someone else gave me an hd2600xt :) and a 1600xt | Oct 23 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | you could still be one of the lucky customers that gets seasonal flu after being vaccinated for 2009 H1N1 | Oct 23 16:04 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: is there vaccine available for H1N1? | Oct 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | 98% of the flu cases in northern Indiana are 2009 H1N1 | Oct 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, There's a shortage, call your health department | Oct 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | if they have a list, get on it | Oct 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | after that, call your local pharmacies and your doctor's office cause they might have some | Oct 23 16:05 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: You sure the vaccine works? | Oct 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, How old are you? | Oct 23 16:06 |
| kevin009 | i upgraded it from 9.04 to the beta and nothing went wrong | Oct 23 16:06 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: 22 | Oct 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, The shot is about 93% effective, the flumist should really only be used if you're under 18 | Oct 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | but if you can't get a shot, take the mist because then you've got a 50/50 of the immunity taking | Oct 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's only as effective as the shot in people under 18 | Oct 23 16:07 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: ok | Oct 23 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | and not effective at all if over 50 | Oct 23 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | so get the shot, and if you absolutely can't, take the flumist nasal spray | Oct 23 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, If you have any chronic illnesses, tell the health department, because that may speed them up | Oct 23 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, And get the seasonal too obviously | Oct 23 16:08 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: in india you know its 35 degrees , The virus can't spread that much easier | Oct 23 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | so you'll need two shots, one seasonal and one H1N1 | Oct 23 16:09 |
| zer0c00l | Any way we need to get the flu in control before the winter begins | Oct 23 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, It's spreading like wildfire here | Oct 23 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying not to let onto that cause it would cause a panic | Oct 23 16:09 |
| zer0c00l | We have not more than 3 cases in each state | Oct 23 16:09 |
| kevin009 | this monster laptop with 4 gigs of ram is still running intrepid. last time I upgraded it to 9.04, I lost sound | Oct 23 16:09 |
| kevin009 | it has the intel hda. i wonder if that is fixed now | Oct 23 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, The way things are now with lots of air travel and such, it'll probably be pandemic there eventually too | Oct 23 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, This so-called "global economy" has facilitated the rampant spread of invading pests and diseases | Oct 23 16:11 |
| zer0c00l | Total deaths in india so far is around 150, and total infection crossed 1500, most of them got cured though | Oct 23 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | the US never used to have Japanese Beetles for example | Oct 23 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | or certain kinds of crop-eating fungi | Oct 23 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | and now that kind of shit gets imported along with everything else | Oct 23 16:12 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: The first case of flu reported in india was from US =P | Oct 23 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | the japanese beetles were such a pest a few years ago that I set out bag traps and those must have caught and killed at least 2,000 of them | Oct 23 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | maybe more | Oct 23 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | I think that so many people set out bag traps and Indiana has such a harsh winter, that we wiped them out | Oct 23 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | at least in the northern part of the state | Oct 23 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, It started in Mexico, now it's everywhere | Oct 23 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | go figure | Oct 23 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | nothing good ever comes out of Mexico | Oct 23 16:15 |
| Mutex_ | taco's are ok | Oct 23 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | swine flu and drug cartels that rival their federal army | Oct 23 16:15 |
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| DaemonFC | at least Felipe Calderon has cracked down on them | Oct 23 16:15 |
| kevin009 | did the fsf protest at stores when windows 7 launched? :) | Oct 23 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | we wiped out a lot of La Familia with a sting a couple days ago | Oct 23 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | arrested 300 of the bastards | Oct 23 16:16 |
| kevin009 | i think they did that for the launch party of vista | Oct 23 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | hah | Oct 23 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'll report back if Win7 takes 10 hours to install | Oct 23 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | but I've never had a Windows upgrade take THAT long | Oct 23 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | longest I've seen was on that old slow laptop with a gig of RAM and a 1.8 Ghz Sempron | Oct 23 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | that was XP to Vista and took about 1.5 hours | Oct 23 16:17 |
| kevin009 | i haven't done a windows upgrade since the 9x days | Oct 23 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | just to find out it was too slow to actually run Vista and spend another hour re-installing XP | Oct 23 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | contrary to popular belief, Windows backwards compatibility hacks don't really bloat the kernel or slow it down | Oct 23 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | they were moved out of the kernel as of XP | Oct 23 16:19 |
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| DaemonFC | they do take a couple gigs of disk space for the dlls and such that are needed | Oct 23 16:19 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Thoughts of tim berners-lee on web http://bit.ly/19N8UR ( via @patrikgavin ) | Oct 23 16:19 | |
| DaemonFC | I think those are in C\Windows\AppPatch and C:\Windows\WinSxS | Oct 23 16:19 |
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| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, Anyway, I'd say get your flu shots before there is a nationwide panic | Oct 23 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | cause then it'll be all kinds of craziness and hours in line perhaps | Oct 23 16:21 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: Sure, i will get a shot, if that vaccine is available in india; | Oct 23 16:21 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: sadly it doesn't ; | Oct 23 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, I would think they would be getting ready for it now | Oct 23 16:22 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: Let the flu reduce some population here ;) | Oct 23 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | they apparently have some time before it gets as bad as it is here | Oct 23 16:22 |
| zer0c00l | in other word "human resources" | Oct 23 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | ahhhh | Oct 23 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | the US government says that there will be 75 million doses produced before the end of the year | Oct 23 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | but vaccination creates a harder environment for a virus to thrive in | Oct 23 16:23 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: If you got some extra shots send them to india ;) | Oct 23 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | less potential host means that the infection rates slow down a lot | Oct 23 16:23 |
| zer0c00l | *have | Oct 23 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, typical flu season kills about 40,000 Americans | Oct 23 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | I'd bet that this one bags about 100,000 | Oct 23 16:24 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: Sadly we won't have such statistics , i hope its more in india; | Oct 23 16:24 |
| zer0c00l | =P | Oct 23 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, Fortunately, most of the anti-vaccine crowd are hardcore fundamentalist Christians | Oct 23 16:24 |
| zer0c00l | s/wont/dont | Oct 23 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | they will not be missed, by me anyway | Oct 23 16:24 |
| zer0c00l | i seel | Oct 23 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | hopefully it takes out our congressman, Dan Burton | Oct 23 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | I've been hoping he dies of old age or something for years | Oct 23 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | we don't need him, he's useless :P | Oct 23 16:25 |
| zer0c00l | we have some people who never go to hospital, instead people around them start praying for him | Oct 23 16:25 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Oct 23 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, If they recover it's a miracle. If they die, it was God's will. | Oct 23 16:26 |
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| DaemonFC | reminds me of the water test to determine if one was a witch. | Oct 23 16:26 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: Thats what they say ; | Oct 23 16:26 |
| zer0c00l | =P | Oct 23 16:26 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: If we go and ask them , why are you doing this? they would say some lines from bible | Oct 23 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | zer0c00l, When you set it up like that, you can never be wrong. | Oct 23 16:27 |
| zer0c00l | like "God is the best doctor" | Oct 23 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | (Or accountable for not getting them proper medical attention) | Oct 23 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | thankfully, most of my family who are Christians are not so far off the deep end that they would deny medical care for their children and form a prayer circle instead | Oct 23 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | those kind of people sicken me | Oct 23 16:28 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: Let me create a how to on "re producing" a bug; | Oct 23 16:28 |
| zer0c00l | brb ;) | Oct 23 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | the people that should not reproduce end up reproducing the most | Oct 23 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | cause they know the government will subsidize all the babies they pop out | Oct 23 16:29 |
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| DaemonFC | My mom went back to the supermarket cause she bought the wrong kind of baby formula for my little brother (years ago) and they were out of the kind she wanted, so she asked them to refund it | Oct 23 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | the cashier was like "You welfare mothers make me SICK!" | Oct 23 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | that sent my mom over the edge | Oct 23 16:31 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Oct 23 16:31 |
| cubezzz | why would she said that? | Oct 23 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | she went and screamed at the manager over that and the cashier was disciplined | Oct 23 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The cashier was probably used to welfare moms on WIC trying to get cash for their baby formula | Oct 23 16:32 |
| Mutex_ | if he was my employee, he would be sacked | Oct 23 16:32 |
| Mutex_ | on the spot | Oct 23 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | Mutex_, I've dealt with employees that have done things like that | Oct 23 16:33 |
| Mutex_ | me too | Oct 23 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | I fired one who actually cussed out a customer | Oct 23 16:33 |
| cubezzz | you have to try to be nice in retail :) | Oct 23 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | I usually gave the ma last change write up | Oct 23 16:33 |
| cubezzz | even though it's not the easiest job in the world dealing with the public | Oct 23 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | 3 days suspended with no pay | Oct 23 16:34 |
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| DaemonFC | write an apology to the customer | Oct 23 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | probationary employment for 1 year with no raise | Oct 23 16:34 |
| Mutex_ | he's very very lucky, most would drop him immediately. | Oct 23 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | *last chance | Oct 23 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | I try not to be a hardass, but there's stuff I would not tolerate at all | Oct 23 16:35 |
| Mutex_ | ive sacked people for saying that kind of thing, away from the customer. | Oct 23 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'd try to give secon chances though if I thought that they were salvagable | Oct 23 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | *second | Oct 23 16:35 |
| cubezzz | what is WIC? | Oct 23 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | Mutex_, If you place someone on probationary employment at Walmart, they get performance evaluations every 3 months | Oct 23 16:36 |
| Mutex_ | there are alot of people looking for work, that will not do that to your customers or clients | Oct 23 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Women, Infants, Children | Oct 23 16:36 |
| *cubezzz nods | Oct 23 16:36 | |
| DaemonFC | it's a program for pregnant women and mothers with infants or toddlers | Oct 23 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of like food stamps, but it won't buy junk food | Oct 23 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | it buys formula and orange juice, fruits, vegetables, etc | Oct 23 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has little placards by items that you can buy with WIC | Oct 23 16:37 |
| cubezzz | sounds like a good idea actually | Oct 23 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | if a woman is eligible for WIC, she usually gets some cash assistance from the state | Oct 23 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | in Michigan it's like $428 a month, but in Indiana it's like $298 | Oct 23 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | the idea is that they'll need some money to buy clothes and such for their kids | Oct 23 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them buy cigarettes and booze for themselves though | Oct 23 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of welfare abuse out there | Oct 23 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's why the state tries not to give anyone cash assistance anymore | Oct 23 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | they try to up their food stamps or something instead | Oct 23 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | then the mothers on food stamps that get like $400 of those each month (if they have a couple of kids) will go up to someone and offer to buy them like $200 of groceries for $100 cash | Oct 23 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | then they take the $100 and buy drugs or cigarettes or whatever | Oct 23 16:41 |
| kevin009 | i'm blind and I live on disability checks | Oct 23 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | there was this one woman who worked at Walmart when I was a manager there that walked up to me and did that | Oct 23 16:42 |
| kevin009 | i went to college, but it was pretty much a joke. they couldn't even teach me to install a CPU | Oct 23 16:42 |
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| DaemonFC | I fired her for "integrity issues" and reported her to the state | Oct 23 16:42 |
| kevin009 | i had an internship where I sat there for 4 hours a day | Oct 23 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | kevin009, AMD CPUs are worse to install than Intel | Oct 23 16:43 |
| kevin009 | i told them to pull some old trash hardware out of the trash and let me work on it... i even ended up bringing in a pentium 200 of my own to rebuild just because i was bored | Oct 23 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | Intel CPU, the pins are on the motherboard | Oct 23 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | little harder to screw up | Oct 23 16:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean on modern intel sockets | Oct 23 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 23 16:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | the LGA shit is pretty freaky | Oct 23 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, 775 is like that at least | Oct 23 16:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | the xeon sockets the same way | Oct 23 16:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1388 or whatever it is | Oct 23 16:44 |
| kevin009 | so much of the curriculum was placed on software (specifically microsof) and the hardware focused classes were constantly getting the ax | Oct 23 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | LGA 775 covers pretty much everything from the Pentium 4 to the Core 2 Quad | Oct 23 16:44 |
| zer0c00l | This is interesting , the upstream devel *seems* to have fixed the same bug in previous version http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550225 | Oct 23 16:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Gnome on !Debian (upstream too?) features a rotating selection of #space backgrounds called "cosmos", I am now using it | Oct 23 16:44 | |
| DaemonFC | Core i5 and i7 use a different pin number, I forget what that was | Oct 23 16:44 |
| zer0c00l | oops wrong channel | Oct 23 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | 775 lasted a LONG LONG time though | Oct 23 16:44 |
| kevin009 | even with the A+ text, you don't even have to open a box to pass | Oct 23 16:45 |
| kevin009 | test* | Oct 23 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Intel motherboards and CPUs are so not my favorite though | Oct 23 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | the FSB is evil and should be a distant memory | Oct 23 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Hypertransport is so much better | Oct 23 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | AMD processors still have better X86-64 support too | Oct 23 16:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD really is awesome | Oct 23 16:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: you know whats fucked up though? | Oct 23 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | Intel Core processors can't use "MacroFusion" in X86-64 mode | Oct 23 16:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've been championing AMD because they're the better solution for over 5 years now | Oct 23 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | that means that they actually run operations that could otherwise be batched slower | Oct 23 16:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | and only now are people finally saying AMD > Intel | Oct 23 16:47 |
| kevin009 | i have an old athlon 64 3200+ here | Oct 23 16:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, what the fuck people | Oct 23 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, It's not any one reason that makes AMD clearly better | Oct 23 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's jsut a bunch of little things | Oct 23 16:47 |
| kevin009 | hardware lasts so much longer these days than it did in the 90s | Oct 23 16:47 |
| Mutex_ | ive got a dual CPU pentium-PRO mother board here, I have no idea what to do with it, apart from throw it out. | Oct 23 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | the Core 2 Quad is inelegant anyway, it's just two Core 2 Duos grouped together | Oct 23 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | they have to go off the chip to communicate with each other | Oct 23 16:48 |
| kevin009 | haha i also have 2 pentium 2 400 mhz chips. they're HUGE! | Oct 23 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | that slows them down a lot | Oct 23 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | the Phenom and Phenom II X4s are a true quad core CPU | Oct 23 16:49 |
| kevin009 | i was planning to put them together eventually, but that is getting increasing less likely | Oct 23 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | (so is Core i5 and i7, but those are a small fortune still) | Oct 23 16:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well | Oct 23 16:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not even "little" things | Oct 23 16:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, ever take a really huge look at hypertransport? | Oct 23 16:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | its amazing | Oct 23 16:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, look at the HT memory controllers | Oct 23 16:51 |
| kevin009 | i think i would be happier fixing up old machines for people who need them | Oct 23 16:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you have more than one, such as with multiple sockets, they run in parallel to complete requests for _any_ core | Oct 23 16:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you could have memory in bank 2 (which is wired into socket 2), and a core on socket 1 needs something from bank 2.... | Oct 23 16:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | the core on socket 1 sends a HT message to the memory controller on socket 2 | Oct 23 16:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and memory controller 2 fills the request, sending it back over the HT bus | Oct 23 16:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | no overhead, no complexity | Oct 23 16:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like ... I dunno, RDMA with Infiniband | Oct 23 16:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, its not like HT was the first system to have this stuff | Oct 23 16:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just the first to have it on tiny normal machines | Oct 23 16:53 |
| trmanco | karmic is blazing fast to boot | Oct 23 16:53 |
| trmanco | ... | Oct 23 16:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and it gets even better | Oct 23 16:53 |
| trmanco | and I've been upgrading since hardy | Oct 23 16:54 |
| trmanco | I'm still on ext3 | Oct 23 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | memory controllers can pull data out of other caches | Oct 23 16:54 |
| kevin009 | yep... even on an old p4 it's good | Oct 23 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | Hyperthreading is questionable at best on a multicore CPU | Oct 23 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | so if socket 1's L3 cache has data socket 2 wants, memory controller 1 hands it to socket 2 without bothering the main memory | Oct 23 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: hyperthreading is lowercase ht ;) | Oct 23 16:54 |
| trmanco | I have HT | Oct 23 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | I just got a piece of the conversation :P | Oct 23 16:55 |
| trmanco | but it's on a single core machine | Oct 23 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: yeah | Oct 23 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its still impressive | Oct 23 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | but not as much | Oct 23 16:55 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 23 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | although now that normal machines have L3 | Oct 23 16:55 |
| trmanco | I've compared with cpu's that didn't have ht | Oct 23 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | it kicks in again | Oct 23 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: oh get this | Oct 23 16:55 |
| trmanco | same clock, same cache | Oct 23 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait, hold up | Oct 23 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im talking hypertransport here | Oct 23 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | not hyperthreading | Oct 23 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of hyperthreading though, I remember CNN doing a bit on it years ago | Oct 23 16:56 |
| trmanco | oh oops | Oct 23 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | like it was the second coming or something | Oct 23 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | hyperthreading is really really stupid shit on a P4 | Oct 23 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: it is, but not for Intel | Oct 23 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sun implemented hyperthreads on their SPARC T1 and T2s | Oct 23 16:56 |
| trmanco | what do you mean stupid shit? | Oct 23 16:56 |
| trmanco | it makes it faster | Oct 23 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: netburst is the worst arch ever designed by a major company | Oct 23 16:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | it actually made it slower for nearly all applications | Oct 23 16:57 |
| trmanco | I don't know what netburst it | Oct 23 16:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | netburst is the p4 architecture. | Oct 23 16:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: I'll sum it up, though... | Oct 23 16:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically, its like this, hyperthreading is really just multiple frontends for the same processing cores | Oct 23 16:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont even bother having multiple decoders, but the decoder is decoupled so it can decode other hyperthreads if its idle | Oct 23 16:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, if the core blocks for any reason, it switches to the next hyperthread | Oct 23 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you run into two problems | Oct 23 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1) if you dont have enough work, core still can block for real | Oct 23 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2) you need a lot of memory bandwidth | Oct 23 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sun on their SPARCs that have their version, they have 8 or more threads per core | Oct 23 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | and huge caches | Oct 23 17:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sun also paired their CPUs with a shitload of memory bandwidth | Oct 23 17:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sun also designed their CPUs in a way that they basically can't block realistically | Oct 23 17:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel failed on points 1 and 2 with netburst | Oct 23 17:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, on Sun CPUs, the tradeoff they made was that all threads _must_ be busy | Oct 23 17:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | if the threads are significantly idle, the CPU runs like crap | Oct 23 17:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel didnt make this trade off, but got penalized for it | Oct 23 17:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | so for P4s that offer threads, its best to turn them off | Oct 23 17:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont have enough memory bandwidth to take advantage of them | Oct 23 17:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and btw | Oct 23 17:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | with the netburst design, threads belonged to cores | Oct 23 17:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | so if Intel had been stupid enough to make a quadcore P4 with threads, cores could actually run idle even though there were threads to work on | Oct 23 17:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sun's design, the threads belonged to a socket local pool, so any core could grab the next available thread and run it | Oct 23 17:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD largely ignored any of this because AMD's common customer cant have enough memory bandwidth to make it worth while | Oct 23 17:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel did it just to sound cool | Oct 23 17:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | their entire sales strategy is to sound cool and hope they trick people into buying their overpriced shit | Oct 23 17:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: so, now you understand? | Oct 23 17:06 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Oct 23 17:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, No wonder Macs have Intel CPUs | Oct 23 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 23 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | Core 2 Duo was highly overrated | Oct 23 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | eh | Oct 23 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | c2d isnt so bad | Oct 23 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have one | Oct 23 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I had to go out of my way to put together a system that could deal with intel sucking dick | Oct 23 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically, I chose a board and memory that would go great with a quad core.... | Oct 23 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then put a c3d on it. | Oct 23 17:09 |
| kevin009 | this laptop is a c2d and i love it | Oct 23 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, c2d | Oct 23 17:10 |
| kevin009 | but then it has nvidia too | Oct 23 17:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol failvidia | Oct 23 17:10 |
| zer0c00l | Old bug reappears https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530090#c10 :( fsck | Oct 23 17:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | man, what the hell is wrong with #msft's stock today | Oct 23 17:11 |
| zer0c00l | i almost spent 6 hours on it; | Oct 23 17:11 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Oct 23 17:11 |
| zer0c00l | all my free time gone; | Oct 23 17:11 |
| kevin009 | my last laptop had ATI and i told them i'de rather eat a bag of computer screws than deal with ATI's drivers again :) | Oct 23 17:11 |
| kevin009 | I'd* | Oct 23 17:11 |
| Mutex__ | MS stocks going up ?? | Oct 23 17:12 |
| kevin009 | funny to see a radeon struggling to run Quake 3 arena | Oct 23 17:12 |
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| Diablo-D3 | kevin009: yeah, we realize you fail | Oct 23 17:13 |
| kevin009 | but i know nvidia will eventually stop supporting the drivers and then i will be "out of luck" unless the nuvo ones mature by then | Oct 23 17:14 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Damn that was an old bug from upstream (reappears), made me bang my head on the table https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530090#c10 | Oct 23 17:14 | |
| kevin009 | they still offer drivers for my geforce4 though | Oct 23 17:14 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC: schestowitz is away? | Oct 23 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose | Oct 23 17:15 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I feel sorry for people buying #MSFT today because it peaked at almost 10% up this morning, worth about half that. #microsoft | Oct 23 17:19 | |
| cubezzz | all the windows 7 hype is pushing up MSFT | Oct 23 17:23 |
| cubezzz | hit a low at around 15 | Oct 23 17:27 |
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| cubezzz | March 2, 2009 | Oct 23 17:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Cavalorn: It had to happen. Downfall parody - Nick Griffin on Question Time: http://bit.ly/373JV - using a *different* bit of the movie! | Oct 23 17:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Updated the information on the Free Software Song announcement. Definitive version published: http://tinyurl.com/ylpxqsj | Oct 23 17:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Vocal version will be released next week, including more RMS samples. Thanks to Roy @schestowitz for his advice! | Oct 23 17:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Advice == recommendations (sorry for my crappy English) :-( | Oct 23 17:42 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi guys, | Oct 23 17:55 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pay-to-Say Firm #Gartner Group Gets Sued http://ping.fm/QEnZ3 | Oct 23 18:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 : Like #Windows #Vista All Over Again http://ping.fm/b4MuI | Oct 23 18:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s de Icaza on #VMware ’s Potential #GNU #Linux Distribution http://ping.fm/O9Mxz | Oct 23 18:03 | |
| *zer0c00l wonders how schestowitz posts notices when he is away | Oct 23 18:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] ZFS for Mac OS X is officially discontinued: http://zfs.macosforge.org/ . I wonder what's next. :( | Oct 23 18:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @JohnBirmingham Friday Writing Blog: Planning, preparation and where ideas come from. http://bit.ly/3pQZc3 | Oct 23 18:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Tips for writing a successful application for a junior job http://bit.ly/1J6X07 HT @picturecool | Oct 23 18:06 | |
| mutxx | Microsoft’s stock (MSFT) shot up early this morning as it drastically outperformed earnings estimates in the 3rd quarter. | Oct 23 18:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, what silly lies | Oct 23 18:08 |
| mutxx | it's not alie, the stocks have shot up, as far as I can see, how about you? | Oct 23 18:09 |
| zer0c00l | stocks goes up and goes down, it happens all the time; | Oct 23 18:10 |
| mutxx | yes, and they go up because of demand, because people who are willing to put their money where their mouth is are willing to buy it, supply and demand. | Oct 23 18:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #ZFS on #OSX is dead, long live #BTRFS (whens OSX getting that?) http://ur1.ca/e9ws | Oct 23 18:14 | |
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| zer0c00l | Lets wait and see; | Oct 23 18:16 |
| zer0c00l | too early; | Oct 23 18:16 |
| mutxx | we have waited, and we are seeing. | Oct 23 18:17 |
| zer0c00l | mutxx: oh | Oct 23 18:17 |
| zer0c00l | mutxx: i see; | Oct 23 18:17 |
| zer0c00l | poor world always goes beyond people shouting unrealistic promises ; | Oct 23 18:19 |
| zer0c00l | Everytime you promise something, and fail to deliver, tell the world that you will fullfill it next time; Thats how some people pull crowd; | Oct 23 18:21 |
| mutxx | but the quartly report is not a promise, it's a result | Oct 23 18:22 |
| *zer0c00l was not talking about some quaterly result; | Oct 23 18:23 | |
| zer0c00l | fedora's irc channels have some really good bots | Oct 23 18:26 |
| *zer0c00l is attending blocker bug review meeting in #fedora-bugzappers | Oct 23 18:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Fogo, ninguem anda pelo Tinychat a esta hora? bah... nao me apatece fazer nada hoje... | Oct 23 18:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftwareFoundation Daemonised for Resisting Non-Free(dom) Software http://ping.fm/xscRo #fsf | Oct 23 18:38 | |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Nice picture http://ping.fm/xscRo | Oct 23 18:40 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Oct 23 18:40 |
| zer0c00l | !daemon angel!!! | Oct 23 18:40 |
| cubezzz | What's Linus doing? | Oct 23 18:55 |
| cubezzz | my eyes.... | Oct 23 18:55 |
| zer0c00l | maintaining the kernel | Oct 23 18:55 |
| zer0c00l | isn't it? | Oct 23 18:55 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Oct 23 18:55 |
| cubezzz | I have to admit it is funny though | Oct 23 18:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] /b/tard humor is superior humor, amirite? http://ur1.ca/ea0x #NSFW | Oct 23 18:59 | |
| cubezzz | btw Japan is rather pro-Linux aren't they? | Oct 23 18:59 |
| cubezzz | Sharp and Epson seem to like Linux at least | Oct 23 19:00 |
| cubezzz | it does make you wonder though | Oct 23 19:05 |
| cubezzz | the whole buy a new computer thing when a new windows comes out | Oct 23 19:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: honestly | Oct 23 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | if microsoft released a windows | Oct 23 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | that doesnt totally suck dick | Oct 23 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd buy a new computer for it | Oct 23 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | my Windows 7 disc arrived | Oct 23 19:08 |
| cubezzz | so any verdict on windows 7? :) | Oct 23 19:09 |
| cubezzz | or is it too soon? | Oct 23 19:09 |
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| cubezzz | well, it's true, people will continue to kowtow to Microsoft, perhaps slightly less than previously | Oct 23 19:10 |
| cubezzz | the philosophical reasons aside, I just find windows slow | Oct 23 19:11 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Saw the CentOS 5.4 thing yesterday and some of my servers are already running it. :) | Oct 23 19:11 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I can update boycottnovell if you would like. Wouldn't be a bad idea. | Oct 23 19:11 |
| cubezzz | "Conspicuous consumption" is the term I was thinking about | Oct 23 19:11 |
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| cubezzz | when I was in HS, the status thing was these high cut leather Nike shoes :) | Oct 23 19:12 |
| cubezzz | but as I got older I'm less and less materialistic | Oct 23 19:13 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Didn't know there is an irc channel for fosscomm in freenode; /j #fosscomm ; /me joins #emacs-in too ; | Oct 23 19:14 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Roy, our old friend Rob Enderle is back | Oct 23 19:32 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44402/140/ | Oct 23 19:32 |
| TheMadHatter | And clueless as usual. | Oct 23 19:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Lets Its Inner #Patent Monster Go Loose http://ping.fm/V7wXG | Oct 23 19:37 | |
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| cubezzz | that name keeps appearing | Oct 23 19:49 |
| MrF | hey roy, we were in the midland today, me sid greg and clive | Oct 23 19:49 |
| cubezzz | "He often cites urban legends (such as Apple "stealing" the GUI from Xerox PARC) as fact." | Oct 23 19:50 |
| cubezzz | wait a sec, Apple didn't steal the GUI from Xerox? | Oct 23 19:50 |
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| EDavidBurg | cubezzz: well, it's arguable; Jobs & Co were given a "technology preview" of Xerox's work in exchange for stock options or something like that | Oct 23 19:59 |
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| TheMadHatter | So was Billy Gates. | Oct 23 20:01 |
| EDavidBurg | TheMadHatter: I don't think so. Not with Xerox, at least. | Oct 23 20:02 |
| EDavidBurg | TheMadHatter: Apple showed MS the Lisa before it came out, though | Oct 23 20:02 |
| TheMadHatter | That's what I heard, was that both Apple and MS had tours, but that only Apple had the foresight to produce a product. | Oct 23 20:03 |
| EDavidBurg | I'm pretty sure it was just Apple. But then again, I'm basing this on Pirate of the Caribbean and reading Wikipedia, so who knows if it's accurate. :) | Oct 23 20:04 |
| EDavidBurg | errrr, Pirates of Silicon Vallet | Oct 23 20:04 |
| EDavidBurg | :) | Oct 23 20:04 |
| EDavidBurg | s/vallet/valley/ | Oct 23 20:04 |
| EDavidBurg | bad day for my typing skillz | Oct 23 20:04 |
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| TheMadHatter | Silicon Valet? Sounds like one hell of a product. | Oct 23 20:06 |
| TheMadHatter | BTW, if anyone can come up with a copy of Darl McBride's current resume, please talk to me. | Oct 23 20:06 |
| EDavidBurg | TheMadHatter: Pirates of Silicon Valley is a made for TV movie about the beginnings of MS/Apple | Oct 23 20:08 |
| EDavidBurg | TheMadHatter: it's on youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xflXMZL2stU | Oct 23 20:08 |
| mutxx | I find it very odd that anyone would post their resume on the net, but some might. little point in it though | Oct 23 20:09 |
| TheMadHatter | Seen it. Boring. | Oct 23 20:09 |
| TheMadHatter | As to how you get a copy of his resume, I wouldn't ask any questions. | Oct 23 20:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Ron Paul “Afghanistan Is An Endless Task To Nation Build & Police The World!” http://ur1.ca/ea6y | Oct 23 20:13 | |
| schestowitz | [17:23] <cubezzz> all the windows 7 hype is pushing up MSFT | Oct 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | That's the idea of the timing | Oct 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pulled this one months ago when it scheduled the dates | Oct 23 20:13 |
| TheMadHatter | Now here's some ridiculous reporting | Oct 23 20:14 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/22/win_95_win_7_vision/ | Oct 23 20:14 |
| TheMadHatter | Windows 95 to Windows 7: How Microsoft lost its vision | Oct 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | [19:11] <tessier> schestowitz: I can update boycottnovell if you would like. Wouldn't be a bad idea. | Oct 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. Your call, I don't mind ;-) | Oct 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: yes, Enderle is not the only Microsoft shill in TG Daily | Oct 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Thomas is another | Oct 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | It's an atrocious site | Oct 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <TheMadHatter> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/22/win_95_win_7_vision/ | Oct 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Oct 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | It's Anderson | Oct 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Another Microsoft shill | Oct 23 20:16 |
| TheMadHatter | remember Sturgeon's law | Oct 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Tim Anderson Received Bribe for Vista 7 Review http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/09/bribe-for-vista-7-review/ | Oct 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Sturgeon? | Oct 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | The cardiac doctor? | Oct 23 20:17 |
| TheMadHatter | Theodore Sturgeon - Science Fiction Author | Oct 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Oh, never mind then | Oct 23 20:18 |
| TheMadHatter | Sturgeon's Law: 95% of Everthing is Shit. | Oct 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Cause my grandpa was a friend of Sturgeon until he passed away | Oct 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | He lived in Zermatt | Oct 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: all the fanfare of Vista is just usual Microsoft c* | Oct 23 20:19 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft party line if you will... | Oct 23 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They create the "everybody loves Vista 7" illusion | Oct 23 20:19 |
| TheMadHatter | What time is the Earnings call? | Oct 23 20:19 |
| mutxx | hours ago | Oct 23 20:20 |
| TheMadHatter | Ah, the numbers are up | Oct 23 20:21 |
| TheMadHatter | http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789019/000119312509212454/d10q.htm | Oct 23 20:21 |
| TheMadHatter | OK, I gotta go do some reading, see if my guesstimates are close. | Oct 23 20:22 |
| TheMadHatter | http://sec.gov/cgi-bin/viewer?action=view&cik=789019&accession_number=0001193125-09-212454 | Oct 23 20:28 |
| TheMadHatter | Nice chart. See you. | Oct 23 20:28 |
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| mutxx | how did your prediction go Roy? from a couple of days ago, I think you said 30% drop ? | Oct 23 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Turns out that some BN articles have PageRank 6, e.g.: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/embrace-extend-and-expel/ | Oct 23 20:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lots of New Vendor/Developer Support for #OpenDocument Format http://ping.fm/zUbe4 #odf | Oct 23 20:32 | |
| schestowitz | Just got this by mail: | Oct 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "In reading a badly written article about one of Google's founders, I saw something unfortunate happened to Powerset. After a little searching I found these: | Oct 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/01/ok-now-its-done-microsoft-to-acquire-powerset/ | Oct 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/147812/microsoft_powerset_confirm_deal.html | Oct 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "So these can be added to any list of MS buyouts." | Oct 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "And, hasn't been growth trough acquisition the penultimate indication of dot-communism? Bloat and bluff till the bubble bursts?" | Oct 23 20:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Microsoft's Quarterly Results Disappoint http://www.huliq.com/3257/80103/microsofts-quarterly-results-disappoint | Oct 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Oct 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | YEs. | Oct 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | But they obscure this with Vista 7 | Oct 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | "Vista is the future!" | Oct 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | "Everybody loves Vista 7" | Oct 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | "Look!! Family Guy loves it" | Oct 23 20:43 |
| fewa | paid inclusions | Oct 23 20:43 |
| fewa | ...... | Oct 23 20:43 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: it's called windows 7, not vista 7 | Oct 23 20:43 |
| fewa | voltronw, it calls itsself NT 6.1 | Oct 23 20:43 |
| Aondo | voltronw common missunderstanding | Oct 23 20:43 |
| fewa | ie Vista.1 | Oct 23 20:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I noticed that the spin being presented on most sites is "that M$ beat expectations." Since MS did not make any forecasts last time, who's expectations were they? Wall Streets? They only beat them a little, and the Windows client, which is the important one, is still very weak | Oct 23 20:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello, Roy, I know you must be busy today | Oct 23 20:44 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: analysts produce estimates | Oct 23 20:44 |
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| mutxx | based on the entire market, and economy. and based on the predictions MS did better than the real analyists predicted, and the market (buyers of shares) agrees. | Oct 23 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | analysts, yes, which analysts? | Oct 23 20:46 |
| fewa | MS beat low highly pessimistic expectations | Oct 23 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | another way of fudging the books if you ask me | Oct 23 20:46 |
| fewa | or MSFT had some revenue | Oct 23 20:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and making a spin point out of bad news | Oct 23 20:47 |
| mutxx | except it's not MS who does the analysis | Oct 23 20:47 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: analysts are independent agents that work for trading firms | Oct 23 20:47 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: is this news to you? | Oct 23 20:47 |
| mutxx | yes | Oct 23 20:47 |
| fewa | mutxx, yes, it is their employees like you | Oct 23 20:47 |
| mutxx | I dont work for them. | Oct 23 20:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which analysts? | Oct 23 20:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe those analysts could be anyone | Oct 23 20:48 |
| mutxx | ever done economics Chips ? | Oct 23 20:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I only ask who the analysts are, before I make an opinion as to if they are legit | Oct 23 20:48 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: but they're not, they're highly educated and experienced people who spend all day every day analyzing the financial sitation of one company. but you know, if you'd rather trust strangers on irc, go ahead | Oct 23 20:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, who then | Oct 23 20:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | are they? | Oct 23 20:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | do not trust everything you read until you know where the data comes from | Oct 23 20:49 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: here is a list of firms and their published guidance on msft: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ud?s=MSFT | Oct 23 20:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | thats good, but not what I asked for | Oct 23 20:50 |
| mutxx | well find out the big nasdaq traiding houses, any of them, they will have analyists on staff. | Oct 23 20:51 |
| mutxx | professionals, who get to where they are for being right. | Oct 23 20:51 |
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| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: what, you want individual names? | Oct 23 20:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I know that, my question is, again, "which analsyts said MS beat their expectations." | Oct 23 20:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Dilbert Cartoon “Picking on #BillGates and His Foundation” http://ping.fm/4QABL | Oct 23 20:52 | |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: analysts don't say that | Oct 23 20:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah, so they cite unnamed sources? | Oct 23 20:52 |
| voltronw | analysts produce and publish estimates. then a public company releases their quarterly financials. then you see how they match up. | Oct 23 20:52 |
| mutxx | I know it's hard Chips, you need a name so you can discredit them, or accuse them of working for MS. | Oct 23 20:52 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: heather bellini is often mentioned as a high profile msft analyst | Oct 23 20:53 |
| mutxx | and if your constantly wrong, you are out of a job. | Oct 23 20:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | job, me? | Oct 23 20:53 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: she works for UBS, here's a video of her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_tgz2DMnbw | Oct 23 20:53 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: what do you want next? her address? | Oct 23 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, expectations are nonsense | Oct 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | See the Moody's video I posted | Oct 23 20:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | actually I would just like a link in these articles showing who's expections they beat | Oct 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/23/zl-technologies-sues-gartner-group/ | Oct 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I expect to die next year (j/k) | Oct 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Next year I also expect to beat expectations and live :-D | Oct 23 20:55 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | MS uses this "beat expectations" selling point often | Oct 23 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Alwaus. | Oct 23 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Almost always | Oct 23 20:56 |
| mutxx | im sure you yourself had "expectations" about MS, in fact im sure you did. | Oct 23 20:56 |
| schestowitz | They even lower expectation mid-way | Oct 23 20:56 |
| schestowitz | When they realise they won't meet what they informed shred!holders | Oct 23 20:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | this time, I think they may have cheated a little with the "beat expectations" argument | Oct 23 20:56 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: gartner isn't a financial corp, they're market analysts. no comparison. | Oct 23 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Oct 23 20:56 |
| schestowitz | We have two hawks here today (at least) | Oct 23 20:57 |
| schestowitz | The active ones anyway.. :-) | Oct 23 20:57 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: are you confusing estimates and guidance? | Oct 23 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Same s*, different flavour | Oct 23 20:57 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: guidance is what a compnay publishes themselves | Oct 23 20:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I only asked for a clear link to who made these "expectations." Not a Utube video link or a buy/sell link | Oct 23 20:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which clearly ypou Vpotronw, do not have | Oct 23 20:58 |
| schestowitz | How To Get Spectrum Back From TV For More Useful Purposes http://techdirt.com/articles/20091022/0400306633.shtml | Oct 23 20:58 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: so you want a phone list of every analyst who worked on the analysis for every company who's estimates were listed on the yahoo finance page i linked to? | Oct 23 20:58 |
| mutxx | what more do you need, look up any stock traiding house, they all do analysis of companies. | Oct 23 20:59 |
| voltronw | not really sure why pointing out basic, market 101 stuff about how the real world works brands me as a "hawk" in this channel | Oct 23 20:59 |
| mutxx | yes, I wondered that as well. | Oct 23 21:00 |
| voltronw | hang on, let's try this: | Oct 23 21:00 |
| voltronw | i can't believe msft earnings didn't drop 802934234%! | Oct 23 21:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it like playing keno, a form of instant bingo, where the casino knows all the numbers in advance. so its easy enough for MS to "beat expectations" if they let others set the bar lower for them and know the numbers in advance | Oct 23 21:01 |
| voltronw | who are these analysts!!! i bet they're all SHILLS! | Oct 23 21:01 |
| voltronw | how am i doing? better? | Oct 23 21:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thanks, @ml2mst , amarok says I've listened to that track 15 times so far | Oct 23 21:02 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and yet you have no link to who they are | Oct 23 21:02 |
| mutxx | no they are all MS employees, (and shills) :) | Oct 23 21:02 |
| mutxx | you cant use google yet Chips ? | Oct 23 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Ex-Yale Students Settle Internet Defamation Lawsuit http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-autoadmit1022.artoct22,0,3272457.story | Oct 23 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: you waste your time talking back to mutxx and voltronw | Oct 23 21:03 |
| schestowitz | They are here to heckle/troll | Oct 23 21:03 |
| schestowitz | They call it "Adding balance" | Oct 23 21:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mutxx, I thought ypou would be more of the Bing type | Oct 23 21:03 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: i am not here to troll | Oct 23 21:03 |
| mutxx | well a bit of balance would not go astray here, IMHO | Oct 23 21:03 |
| schestowitz | voltronw: yes, you're just 'Adding balance' | Oct 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | That's what Microsoft TEs say too | Oct 23 21:04 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: i'm here to discuss free software, but if people say incredibly dumb things, i'm going to point that out. i can't help it. | Oct 23 21:04 |
| mutxx | mabey for a reason !! | Oct 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Or the :"buddies" Mary Jo Foley told me about -- those Microsoft assigned to reporters | Oct 23 21:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Foley mostly gone to the dark side | Oct 23 21:06 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: is that cool with you? | Oct 23 21:06 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: or should i just let ignorant/uninformed comments slide by? it's your channel, let me know. | Oct 23 21:06 |
| voltronw | no comment? | Oct 23 21:09 |
| mutxx | and as for me, if find schadenfreude very distastefull | Oct 23 21:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Voltronw> I only asked for the correct link, to who was the source. It seems you could not provide one either. You maybe correct that it is respected wall street firms, but I would not take that as absolutely true. Most likely it is. Also, most of these firms will have differnt "expectatipatations." | Oct 23 21:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Jan Moir says she was "set up" on Question Time http://notnews.today.com/?p=699 #bbcqt | Oct 23 21:11 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry for the typos | Oct 23 21:11 |
| mutxx | cant you look up a NYSE NASDAQ traiding house ? chips. Im sure google will help. | Oct 23 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I know she did | Oct 23 21:12 |
| schestowitz | He blogs is like PR now | Oct 23 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Candidate for deletition | Oct 23 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I already dumped Microsoft Nick | Oct 23 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I subscribed to it when Bishop was there | Oct 23 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I still read him in TechFlash | Oct 23 21:12 |
| schestowitz | It went down with Joe T and then downhill with Nick | Oct 23 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft PR reproduced | Oct 23 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "easy content" | Oct 23 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Read and repeat or copy and paste, then tweak | Oct 23 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am saying that I believe that the "beats expectation" selling point is another game, as MS might be able to cherry pick the wall street firm that made that prediction. If it was a wall street firm. They do not all make the same predictions | Oct 23 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I wrote about it before | Oct 23 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But then, MS would never game the system | Oct 23 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lol | Oct 23 21:14 |
| schestowitz | "journalists make a prediction, and Microsoft beats this expectation." | Oct 23 21:14 |
| voltronw | Chips_B_Malroy: you've already proved that you have no idea how financial markets work. you can stop now, we get it. | Oct 23 21:14 |
| schestowitz | From http://boycottnovell.com/billwatch-resurrected/billwatch-snippets-database-part-iii/ | Oct 23 21:14 |
| mutxx | it's got nothing to do with MS, MS did not cherry pick anyone, the market (traiding houses) make the predictions for their investors, they have to be close to right, and know what they are doing, or they are out of a job. | Oct 23 21:15 |
| schestowitz | "Vista 7 will not meet the expectation set by artificial hype." http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/08/steve-ballmer-on-vista-7/ | Oct 23 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | mutxx: except this is the hilarious part | Oct 23 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | they suck at predictions | Oct 23 21:16 |
| schestowitz | "“THE ALLEGATIONS WERE shocking: For years, Microsoft has systematically distorted its profit figures in an effort to consistently beat Wall Street expectations and keep its stock price steadily rising. The false reports would violate SEC regulations, and amount to outright fraud." | Oct 23 21:16 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20070308032343rn_2/www.seattleweekly.com/1999-01-06/news/microfraud.php | Oct 23 21:16 |
| mutxx | well they are significantly more accurate than the predictions ive seen from here, | Oct 23 21:16 |
| schestowitz | That's from when Microsoft fraud was reported by an insider | Oct 23 21:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mutxx, you may be right, MS might not have cherry picked, but how do we know unless we keep the reporters honest by citing their sources as to who the source was in this case | Oct 23 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | mutxx: my predictions beat the market. | Oct 23 21:17 |
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| mutxx | it's got nothing to do with reporters, analysts are not reporters. | Oct 23 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They are | Oct 23 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they are | Oct 23 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Similar joba | Oct 23 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, consistently, my predictions beat the market | Oct 23 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They change hats | Oct 23 21:17 |
| schestowitz | ANd if you look at their history, you'll see this | Oct 23 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is, my predictions involve naming companies no one has heard of | Oct 23 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they're Boring(tm) companies | Oct 23 21:18 |
| mutxx | no one reports on the news the other makes predictions on market movements based on sound financial analysis. | Oct 23 21:18 |
| schestowitz | they manufacture "boring" | Oct 23 21:18 |
| *Diablo-D3 has a tmf caps account if anyone cares | Oct 23 21:18 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I only want to see "who's" expectations they beat, not all of these firms I bet, some must have had different expectations. | Oct 23 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses Moody's services | Oct 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Recently for selling debt | Oct 23 21:19 |
| mutxx | who's excpectations, "THE MARKETS EXPECTATION" | Oct 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft borrows money | Oct 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | And the criminals from Moody's recommend it | Oct 23 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | "Here. Lend Microsoft some of your savings." | Oct 23 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yeah, I hate "investors" who do that | Oct 23 21:20 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: we're talking about securities, not debt. try to keep up. | Oct 23 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | voltronw: we're talking the market in general, actually | Oct 23 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | not everything is traded | Oct 23 21:20 |
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| Diablo-D3 | theres lots of deals you can get into that dont involve buying stock from the secondary market | Oct 23 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | you just have to be huge and/or rich to get into it | Oct 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Expect to see some "Ubuntu" and "Red Hat" in MSFT's filing again | Oct 23 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quote: "However, the figures are up on the previous quarter, and came in significantly higher than Wall Street predictions." http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/oct/23/microsoft-first-quarter-results a very general term, wall streets expectations | Oct 23 21:22 |
| mutxx | have you done any market analysis into RHT Roy ? | Oct 23 21:22 |
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| mutxx | like comparing the list price with the current price of the stock, checked out Divident, yeild and P/E ? | Oct 23 21:24 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote: "The Client Division, AKA the cash cow operating system division, reported a 16% revenue drop and a 19% profit drop, to $3.4 billion and $2.5 billion, respectively" http://www.huliq.com/3257/80103/microsofts-quarterly-results-disappoint Translation, people are not buying windows by way on new computers, and buying more netbooks. Windows is the house of cards that M$ is built on. | Oct 23 21:25 |
| mutxx | as fully expected considering the q3 report was the last one before the release of a new OS | Oct 23 21:26 |
| mutxx | so you would expect people would hold off purchases until after the release, it's all very logical when you think about it. | Oct 23 21:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interesting tool for recharges http://ping.fm/xIAyb | Oct 23 21:27 | |
| mutxx | and if you really really believe that MS is going to fail, buy short stocks and make a killing, (if it goes down), or lose your shirt if it goes up. | Oct 23 21:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There will be a "bounce" from 7even, but even Balmer said it might not help that much because of the economy | Oct 23 21:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mutxx, where have I said anywhere that M$ is in danger of falling short term? please do not put words in my mouth | Oct 23 21:30 |
| mutxx | I didnt say you did, | Oct 23 21:30 |
| mutxx | therefore I didnt put anything (at all) in your mouth. | Oct 23 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Linux releases will go toe to toe with Vista 7 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559624/linux-releases-toe-toe-windows | Oct 23 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: some people buy their PC with "free upgrade" | Oct 23 21:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 23 21:31 |
| schestowitz | So to say people wait for Vista7 is total B.S. | Oct 23 21:31 |
| schestowitz | THey are actually ENTHUSIASTIC about buying early | Oct 23 21:32 |
| schestowitz | They get the 'bargain' which is 'free' (not really free) upgrade | Oct 23 21:32 |
| mutxx | so if your going to buy a new pc would you do it last week and get Vista, or this week and get Win 7. | Oct 23 21:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | of course, they want to try out the newest | Oct 23 21:32 |
| mutxx | Obviously you would wait a week. | Oct 23 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Microsoft has many escape clauses | Oct 23 21:32 |
| schestowitz | NOTICE the fact that: | Oct 23 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft never admitted bad quarters | Oct 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Novell did once last year | Oct 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Even when it goes down it's always good news | Oct 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | That's their job | Oct 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | To keep the "too big to fail" delusion | Oct 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Until they 'pull a Sun' | Oct 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Or until they file a surprise CHapter 11 one day, like many other companies | Oct 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I can assess the numbers without assistance from "Motley Fool" (MSN) or whatever branch of elite press | Oct 23 21:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sad to say, reading between the lines, many good people will most likely get the axe soon at M$ | Oct 23 21:34 |
| mutxx | schadenfreude do you know the meaning of that word Roy ? | Oct 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, I know | Oct 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Oct 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Remember, about the quarter: | Oct 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | No-one seems to talk about reduced costs for Microsoft | Oct 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | They pay like 5000-10000 wages _less_ | Oct 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Many also got a paycut | Oct 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Like the temps | Oct 23 21:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mutxx, keep it polite, we all have our opinion, there is no reason we cannot be nice about disagreeing | Oct 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Sheesh. Can't let people know this... | Oct 23 21:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: hey dude, dont slur TMF | Oct 23 21:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're actually pretty good | Oct 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha | Oct 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | They are Microsoft boosters | Oct 23 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | just dont listen to their free stuff | Oct 23 21:36 |
| mutxx | where was I not polite ? | Oct 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Since like 2006 when I started looking at them | Oct 23 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | their pay services is where the good advice is | Oct 23 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: the problem is, MS is _not_ a bad stock to invest in for the short term | Oct 23 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | (ie, less than 10 years) | Oct 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has not moved much since the bubble | Oct 23 21:36 |
| mutxx | you do know MSFT's list price right, | Oct 23 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt meet my requirements, but I can see why they'd pick it | Oct 23 21:36 |
| mutxx | ? | Oct 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | It's stuck nowhere, despite buybacks | Oct 23 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] New US Strategy for #Sudan Rejects Hawkish Approach Mahmood Mamdani talks about #media misinformation about Sudan http://ur1.ca/eacy #war | Oct 23 21:37 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: not true | Oct 23 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont view stock prices, I view them factored in by market movement | Oct 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Maiin difference is, the cash piles went down from $60bn or more to about 0 | Oct 23 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: not a problem | Oct 23 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont view free cash as a useful metric | Oct 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | For employees it might be | Oct 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Not for the leaders who pocket their bonuses | Oct 23 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | investors _dont care about employees_ | Oct 23 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | tmf serves investors | Oct 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | But for the many Microsoft is _Still_ laying off | Oct 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Quietly even | Oct 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Some employees don't know this | Oct 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | We had some Microsoft employee in this channel this month | Oct 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | He didn't know | Oct 23 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: as a potential investors, about 3/4rs of the employees should be fired for incompetence | Oct 23 21:38 |
| *Diablo-D3 unpluralizes that | Oct 23 21:38 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the more informed MS employees do know about the layoffs ongoing, if they read mini | Oct 23 21:39 |
| *schestowitz bookmarks http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/23/new_us_strategy_for_sudan_rejects | Oct 23 21:39 | |
| *schestowitz wonders if the name mini-Microsoft somehow connects with the vision of a much smaller Microsoft | Oct 23 21:40 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: the only reason I dont invest in microsoft right this instant is because their overall revanue for the past 10yrs is too low | Oct 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Nanotech might be bad for your health http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559618/nanotech-bad-health | Oct 23 21:40 |
| fewa | Microsoft's gold is selling itsself out | Oct 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what happened to the bot? | Oct 23 21:40 |
| trmanco | laziness | Oct 23 21:40 |
| fewa | but only for those at the top | Oct 23 21:40 |
| trmanco | to open a terminal em write down a command | Oct 23 21:41 |
| fewa | employees's goals and interests are differn't | Oct 23 21:41 |
| fewa | in opening up the platform | Oct 23 21:41 |
| fewa | and attempting long-term survival | Oct 23 21:41 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 23 21:41 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it enables laziness to have it running. No need to copy and paste titles | Oct 23 21:41 |
| trmanco | :-p | Oct 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "Greenfinity is proud to present the Plone Conference 2009 in Budapest, Hungary." http://ploneconf2009.org/ | Oct 23 21:42 |
| phIRCe | Title: Plone Conference 2009 Plone Conference 2009, Budapest .::. Size~: 31.35 KB | Oct 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12629596 "RD @bob_sutor Dear Europe, stop smoking." | Oct 23 21:43 |
| phIRCe | Title: Georg C. F. Greve (greve) 's status on Thursday, 22-Oct-09 11:09:52 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 6.86 KB | Oct 23 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Is here referring to policies? http://twitter.com/bob_sutor/status/5066144443 | Oct 23 21:44 |
| phIRCe | Title: Twitter / Bob Sutor: Dear Europe, stop smoking. .::. Size~: 9.63 KB | Oct 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Or just to actual smoking? | Oct 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | http://thenextweb.com/europe/2009/10/22/nokia-suing-apple/ | Oct 23 21:44 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ attempts at "killing" Google is causing major profits sinks. They cannot beat Google. And online continues to not only lose money, but so do the major investments in data centers. also that 6 billion they spend on the online advertising firm, is not returning profit. Then there is Silverlight, the other half of online marketing, the kill "adobe" flash plan, not working, cost money | Oct 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "Kill" adobe, right? | Oct 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Or 'kill' as in scare quotes | Oct 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie | Oct 23 21:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Guess is that taken all these togeather, that online advertising, is a bigger cash sink than even XBox360 is | Oct 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | It's off the headlines | Oct 23 21:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hey, @bob_sutor , re "Dear Europe, stop smoking" do you mean it literally or is it said in ref to policies? | Oct 23 21:47 | |
| schestowitz | Almost permanently | Oct 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | No major wins for it anymore | Oct 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | When Baseball, ITV, NYT and others dumped it they lost their poster kids | Oct 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | They still have Obamaa | Oct 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Whom the Ballmers paid | Oct 23 21:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bah, ninguem quer ir pro tinychat, nao? | Oct 23 21:48 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | netflix is it for silverlight, and it cost them to get that | Oct 23 21:48 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | a good reason (silverlight) to use blockbuster | Oct 23 21:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | to avoid it | Oct 23 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Why does Connie Snyder pay Obama | Oct 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Does W-E have an affair with him too now? | Oct 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Did SteveB also have his kids donate $50,000 to Bama! | Oct 23 21:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] still ill with cough. now f has it too. bleh. rather tired of this. on the upside, employment is in the air \o/ | Oct 23 21:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, wallc | Oct 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the Dilbert? | Oct 23 21:50 |
| wallc | hi! no, didn't see dilbert...been very busy this morning. | Oct 23 21:51 |
| wallc | link? | Oct 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Victory. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8322308.stm | Oct 23 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | wallc: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/23/dilbert-on-gates-foundation/ | Oct 23 21:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The future economy may not help MS much | Oct 23 21:52 |
| phIRCe | Title: New Dilbert Cartoon “Picking on Bill Gates and His Foundation” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.6 KB | Oct 23 21:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Record recession for UK economy http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8321970.stm Quote: "The UK economy unexpectedly contracted by 0.4% between July and September, according to official figures, meaning the country is still in recession." | Oct 23 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | I did some GIMPing with a logo, too | Oct 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it's more than a "recession" | Oct 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | The BBC does not want to incite panic | Oct 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | But the radio here in Manchester is less restrained about it | Oct 23 21:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I see that the BBC reports news about the same as CNN and Fox do here. "0.4% contracted" should not be reported as "country still in recession." It means things are still getting worse | Oct 23 21:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, agreed | Oct 23 21:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Iraq accuses Iran of #water theft http://ur1.ca/eaef | Oct 23 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | Linux Gadget Boosts Amazon's Profits... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8321583.stm | Oct 23 21:55 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Iraq accuses Iran of water theft - 23 Oct 09 .::. Size~: 141.82 KB | Oct 23 21:55 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | worse here too. As much as the USA is discussed here on this channel, about how the gov here borrows, I believe that the UK is in debt even more on a per person basis. i could be wrong on this | Oct 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Iraq=US officials? | Oct 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "Those evil Iranians. Let's invade to liberate 'em" | Oct 23 21:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bama will not invade Iram | Oct 23 21:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *Iran | Oct 23 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it is | Oct 23 21:56 |
| schestowitz | 2$ trillion (or 2 trillion GBP) for the whole | Oct 23 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | we in the same boat | Oct 23 21:57 |
| schestowitz | So more per capita | Oct 23 21:57 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Oct 23 21:57 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/29/fmr_un_weapons_inspector_scott_ritter | Oct 23 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Some say US debt is not $11tr | Oct 23 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Some day it's $55tr | Oct 23 21:57 |
| fewa | The plan is to dump the dollar | Oct 23 21:57 |
| fewa | IMHO | Oct 23 21:57 |
| schestowitz | And with the 'Federal' Reserve refusing to say who it lends to, who the heck knows...... | Oct 23 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they lump in personal debt to that figure Roy | Oct 23 21:57 |
| fewa | just depends when it will happen | Oct 23 21:57 |
| schestowitz | They borrow over $2 trilion at the moment | Oct 23 21:57 |
| schestowitz | To unnamed institutions | Oct 23 21:58 |
| schestowitz | fewa: China could start it | Oct 23 21:58 |
| fewa | the corporations are ready | Oct 23 21:58 |
| fewa | ready to drop the dollar | Oct 23 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I dropped mine | Oct 23 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wars cost a lot of money | Oct 23 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Over a year ago | Oct 23 21:59 |
| fewa | schestowitz, you had dollars? | Oct 23 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 23 21:59 |
| fewa | the pound collapsed | Oct 23 21:59 |
| fewa | along with UK banks | Oct 23 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if the UK collaspes, the USA will too | Oct 23 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | don't know about how much in debt Canada is | Oct 23 22:00 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, ? | Oct 23 22:00 |
| fewa | <Chips_B_Malroy> if the UK collaspes, the USA will too | Oct 23 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no | Oct 23 22:00 |
| fewa | not really | Oct 23 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Now it's GBP=$1.6316 | Oct 23 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I got it at 1.44 | Oct 23 22:00 |
| fewa | but if the US collapses, then UK will collapse | Oct 23 22:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or New Zealand, but I think Australia might be in the best shape | Oct 23 22:00 |
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| fewa | and most of europe | Oct 23 22:00 |
| fewa | heavily hit | Oct 23 22:00 |
| schestowitz | The USD sinks faster | Oct 23 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: CA not as bad | Oct 23 22:00 |
| schestowitz | We looked at the numbers last year | Oct 23 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I can search it again | Oct 23 22:01 |
| schestowitz | The numbers are there, just hard to find | Oct 23 22:01 |
| fewa | CA is big economy | Oct 23 22:01 |
| fewa | and California | Oct 23 22:01 |
| DaemonFC_ | http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/10/23/only-in-japan-the-burger-king-windows-7-whopper/ | Oct 23 22:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: Only in Japan: The Burger King Windows 7 Whopper | csmonitor.com .::. Size~: 45.57 KB | Oct 23 22:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most of the english speaking countries ecomonies are interconnected. At least USA, UK, and Canada | Oct 23 22:01 |
| DaemonFC_ | enough cholesterol to kill anything that has ever lived | Oct 23 22:01 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/irc-log-10052009.html#tMay%2010%2019:21:56 | Oct 23 22:01 |
| fewa | Canada is a very good economy | Oct 23 22:01 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC, and so good too | Oct 23 22:02 |
| fewa | yes linked | Oct 23 22:02 |
| fewa | but most critically only in natural resources | Oct 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC_: Japan has the best hot dog eater, IIRC | Oct 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Depends when, I guess | Oct 23 22:02 |
| fewa | lumber, natural gas, oil | Oct 23 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | fewa, but | Oct 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | He's a slim guy who beats all the overweight contestants from the US | Oct 23 22:02 |
| DaemonFC_ | schestowitz, do you find it ironic that Microsoft promoted Windows 7 with a lot of giant whoppers? | Oct 23 22:02 |
| DaemonFC_ | ;) | Oct 23 22:02 |
| DaemonFC_ | literally | Oct 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | It shows the target audience | Oct 23 22:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Canada will go down with the USA, as we your largest trading partner | Oct 23 22:03 |
| fewa | Japan doesn't have that slang | Oct 23 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 Slob Edition | Oct 23 22:03 |
| fewa | in Japan Linux is much bigger a threat in consumer market | Oct 23 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Japan makes many devices | Oct 23 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They just use Linux, not much gnu afaik | Oct 23 22:04 |
| wallc | how so, fewa? i have family in japan and they say microsoft is everywhere. | Oct 23 22:04 |
| schestowitz | On desktops, wallc | Oct 23 22:05 |
| fewa | wallc, non sequitor | Oct 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, more people move to devices | Oct 23 22:05 |
| wallc | and gadgets too. | Oct 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | !google sharp ubuntu japan | Oct 23 22:05 |
| phIRCe | [1] - PC-Z1: Sharp's Ubuntu-powered, touchscreen “Mobile Internet Tool” | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/27/sharp-japan-announces-ubuntu-powered-touchscreen-netwalker/ | Oct 23 22:05 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Sharp's teeny tiny Ubuntu sub-notebook | News | TechRadar UK | http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/portable-computing/sharp-s-teeny-tiny-ubuntu-sub-notebook-630206 | Oct 23 22:05 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Sharp Launches Ubuntu Mobile Internet Tool | WorksWithU | http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/27/sharp-launches-ubuntu-mobile-internet-tool/ | Oct 23 22:05 |
| phIRCe | [4] - PC-Z1: Sharp's Ubuntu-powered, touchscreen “Mobile Internet Tool ... | http://gadgetblips.dailyradar.com/story/pc_z1_sharp_s_ubuntu_powered_touchscreen_mobile/ | Oct 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Darl can speak Japanese | Oct 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he can be deported to Tokyo by Microsoft.. to find some way to attack Linux | Oct 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | He'd figure s/t out | Oct 23 22:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so can lumpy speak Japanese | Oct 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Brave Cowboy Shoots Evil Lunix | Oct 23 22:06 |
| wallc | somebody mentioned that darl would be a good fit for the bsa. | Oct 23 22:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or prision | Oct 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Or Sisvel | Oct 23 22:07 |
| wallc | prison would be good... | Oct 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | !google sisvel linux | Oct 23 22:07 |
| phIRCe | [1] - SISVEL Announces Progress in the Formation of the DVB-T2 Patent ... | http://symbian.sys-con.com/node/1104134 | Oct 23 22:07 |
| phIRCe | [2] - SISVEL meldet Fortschritt bei der Bildung einer Patentgemeinschaft ... | http://symbian.sys-con.com/node/1104133 | Oct 23 22:07 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Sisvel extends MPEG patent disputes with SanDisk | http://www.eetimes.eu/design/196900047 | Oct 23 22:07 |
| phIRCe | [4] - MP3 patent problem at Openmoko - The H: Security news and Open ... | http://www.h-online.com/news/MP3-patent-problem-at-Openmoko--/111973 | Oct 23 22:07 |
| DaemonFC_ | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/microsoft-promotes-windows-7-with-a-bunch-of-giant-whoppers/ | Oct 23 22:07 |
| DaemonFC_ | :P | Oct 23 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/23/codename-keychest-disneys-new-film-view-technology | Oct 23 22:07 |
| phIRCe | Title: Codename Keychest: Disney's New Film View Technology | WebProNews .::. Size~: 33.1 KB | Oct 23 22:08 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 23 22:08 |
| schestowitz | "Now some Asian dude is going to drop dead from eating enough cholesterol to kill anything that’s ever lived."" | Oct 23 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft now requires fans to have disjointed jaws | Oct 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/23/google-launches-custom-search-for-smartphones | Oct 23 22:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Launches Custom Search For Smartphones | WebProNews .::. Size~: 31.09 KB | Oct 23 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Whoppers will fill you up and maybe bloat you. Windows Vista/Seven will eat up hard drive space like no tommorow and bloat your computer | Oct 23 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but at least the BK Whopper taste good | Oct 23 22:11 |
| DaemonFC_ | schestowitz, Firefox supports the tabs as Aero Peek windows now | Oct 23 22:11 |
| DaemonFC_ | just like IE 8 | Oct 23 22:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and is fairly priced | Oct 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tries to make its fans extinct | Oct 23 22:11 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC_: what version? | Oct 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Dying breed due to excessive cholesterol levels | Oct 23 22:12 |
| DaemonFC_ | trmanco, the second test build of Firefox 3.6 beta | Oct 23 22:12 |
| trmanco | I don't have that one :| | Oct 23 22:12 |
| trmanco | only 3.7 | Oct 23 22:12 |
| DaemonFC_ | it feels much more native | Oct 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Rather than banning Red Bull at parties they'd ban that Vista "ritual" of giant burger swallowing | Oct 23 22:12 |
| *DaemonFC_ is now known as DaemonFC | Oct 23 22:14 | |
| DaemonFC | on the Windows Experience Index in Windows 7, my PC's base score is 7.3 | Oct 23 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | it goes to 7.9 | Oct 23 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | Vista rated it as 5.7 | Oct 23 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably a Vista issue | Oct 23 22:15 |
| schestowitz | OUCH! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/23/zurich_data_loss/ | Oct 23 22:16 |
| phIRCe | Title: Zurich Insurance admits big data loss • The Register .::. Size~: 21.79 KB | Oct 23 22:16 |
| schestowitz | "Half a million customer records" | Oct 23 22:16 |
| wallc | I have plans next weekend to visit the new Microsoft store that just opened in Scottsdale... | Oct 23 22:17 |
| wallc | :) I may just annoy the sales help with "little old lady" questions. | Oct 23 22:18 |
| schestowitz | wallc: they probably got the same boot camp and Best Buy bunnies | Oct 23 22:18 |
| wallc | Maybe I should leave some live cds around | Oct 23 22:18 |
| schestowitz | /and/as/ | Oct 23 22:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interesting poll results: http://ping.fm/QQ38o | Oct 23 22:19 | |
| schestowitz | wallc: ask to test if they work | Oct 23 22:19 |
| wallc | i think it'll be fun. | Oct 23 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Some shops allow it | Oct 23 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Say, "I want to buy a Vista 7 PC, but I need to dual-boot" | Oct 23 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Then tell them you need to test to see if your "primary OS" runs OK | Oct 23 22:19 |
| wallc | i've been refused every time i've ever asked to try a live cd. | Oct 23 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Show them some fun KDE4 with exploding windows (like mine :-) ) | Oct 23 22:20 |
| wallc | at fry's and best buy both...been several years ago though. | Oct 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | What do they worry about? | Oct 23 22:20 |
| fewa | wallc, you just do it | Oct 23 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco, I decided to use the upgrade disc I got from the express upgrade program to clean install | Oct 23 22:20 |
| fewa | or much faster, put in a SD card | Oct 23 22:20 |
| fewa | with linux installed on it | Oct 23 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't want to take a chance on any of Vista being left | Oct 23 22:20 |
| wallc | they said they were afraid of introducing viruses. | Oct 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they got those brochures with Linux surrounded by "RED" colour | Oct 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | EVIL Real threat !! | Oct 23 22:21 |
| wallc | I asked them why they had windows installed then. :) | Oct 23 22:21 |
| schestowitz | LUNIX shalt destROY teh PLAN3TZ !! | Oct 23 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Why do you suppose that OEMs mess with the boot order and put the hard disk before the optical drive? | Oct 23 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Or Windows burning | Oct 23 22:22 |
| mutxx | faster bootup | Oct 23 22:22 |
| schestowitz | It insists in not making ISOs | Oct 23 22:22 |
| schestowitz | It turns Linux to coasters | Oct 23 22:22 |
| wallc | i'm a little less than 5' tall, and have a very innocent looking face...sales people never really know quite what to do with me. | Oct 23 22:22 |
| wallc | (at fry's, etc.) | Oct 23 22:23 |
| schestowitz | They call the $supervisor | Oct 23 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | exec.Supervisor.killkillkill(Linux); | Oct 23 22:23 |
| mutxx | faster bootup and for security. | Oct 23 22:23 |
| wallc | lol...i love talking with supervisors! | Oct 23 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Supervisors have supervisors too | Oct 23 22:24 |
| wallc | anyway, i'll tell you all about it when i go. | Oct 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's very tyrannical | Oct 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | You can only ascend to a certain level | Oct 23 22:24 |
| wallc | i think there's an apple store close to it too. | Oct 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | wallc: make footage | Oct 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It would be funny to expose those shops | Oct 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | And then make on-line ranking of "Linux hostilty" | Oct 23 22:25 |
| mutxx | expose them for what ? | Oct 23 22:25 |
| schestowitz | mutxx: you? | Oct 23 22:25 |
| schestowitz | For being a troll. | Oct 23 22:25 |
| wallc | hmmm, i don't have a video camera, but i can take pictures maybe | Oct 23 22:25 |
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| mutxx | LOL very funny. | Oct 23 22:25 |
| wallc | well, to be fair, if i go into a microsoft store, if i'm not polite, i'd probably be seen as a gnu/linux troll | Oct 23 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Operation Eagle Claw nets 18 Nigerian spammers http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/23/nigeria_police_success/ | Oct 23 22:27 |
| phIRCe | Title: Operation Eagle Claw nets 18 Nigerian spammers • The Register .::. Size~: 22.51 KB | Oct 23 22:27 |
| schestowitz | wallc: you can't be both a gnu and a troll | Oct 23 22:27 |
| wallc | whew! i was worried :) | Oct 23 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | a magical GNU/TROLL hybrid | Oct 23 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the people in the stores (MS) are just trying to make a living during bad times | Oct 23 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | they want credit for things that work | Oct 23 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I give those two M$ stores no more than one year to live | Oct 23 22:28 |
| fewa | the troll microkernel has a very hyper scheduler | Oct 23 22:29 |
| *schestowitz eats | Oct 23 22:29 | |
| fewa | it runs the viruses faster than everyhting else | Oct 23 22:29 |
| schestowitz | That Vista burger got me hungry | Oct 23 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | what always made me wonder is why the FSF's website is littered like a graveyard with software projects that haven't budged in years and probably never will again | Oct 23 22:29 |
| wallc | that's right, Chips, and i'm truly not one to cause trouble. i'm just curious about the store and a friend invited me for a day out...so, i'm going. i'll be good. :) | Oct 23 22:29 |
| schestowitz | [22:28] <DaemonFC> a magical GNU/TROLL hybrid | Oct 23 22:30 |
| schestowitz | trolltech/qt | Oct 23 22:30 |
| mutxx | no india style placards and protests ? thats good to hear. | Oct 23 22:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wallc> it will be good to see what you have to say from your visit | Oct 23 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | I've been trying out the Flake FLAC encoder | Oct 23 22:30 |
| wallc | hey, a placard! thanks for the idea, mutxx! :) | Oct 23 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | it goes up to compression level 12 | Oct 23 22:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wallc> still up here to your North, we have Fry's, which MS cannot replace | Oct 23 22:30 |
| mutxx | your welcome. | Oct 23 22:31 |
| schestowitz | wallc: ask them "why 7?" | Oct 23 22:31 |
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| DaemonFC | results are usually about 1-4% smaller files than FLAC 8 and about twice the encoding speed | Oct 23 22:31 |
| schestowitz | What features | Oct 23 22:31 |
| schestowitz | see the response | Oct 23 22:31 |
| schestowitz | "it's better than Vista!" | Oct 23 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "its better than Vista" anybody remember SIAG Office? Their expression was "it sucks less." Maybe M$ could steal that one | Oct 23 22:32 |
| *schestowitz makes pot of tea to celebrate MSFT's sharp decline today | Oct 23 22:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | my biggest gripe is no native Vorbis or FLAC support for Windows Media Player | Oct 23 22:33 |
| trmanco | just tea? | Oct 23 22:33 |
| wallc | well, sales help generally ignore me. if i ever really need help i have to tackle one of them or kick 'em in the shins... | Oct 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah. | Oct 23 22:33 |
| mutxx | sharp decline ?? | Oct 23 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | they waited like 6 years just to PLAY MPEG-4 AAC though | Oct 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | It's not a ceremony | Oct 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I was parytly joking, I make tea cause I need to finish the milk (expiry today) | Oct 23 22:33 |
| mutxx | LOL | Oct 23 22:34 |
| schestowitz | "Early on Friday, software giant Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ: MSFT) said that net income fell to $3.57 billion, or 40 cents a share, from $4.37 billion," | Oct 23 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Sharp decline | Oct 23 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Piss off, troll | Oct 23 22:34 |
| trmanco | # decline | Oct 23 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that sounds like a decline to me | Oct 23 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "Windows and Windows Live fell from $4.28bn last year to $2.62bn" | Oct 23 22:36 |
| schestowitz | --The Reg | Oct 23 22:36 |
| mutxx | yea, sorry, my reading of their stocks sitting up 6% or higher, is by my definition of the work not a decline. | Oct 23 22:36 |
| mutxx | But I could be wrong, always a first time. | Oct 23 22:36 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux competes vs Windows | Oct 23 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Windows=cash cow | Oct 23 22:36 |
| schestowitz | No Windows, no Microsoft | Oct 23 22:37 |
| wallc | moo | Oct 23 22:37 |
| schestowitz | No common carrier | Oct 23 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | profit and stock prices are not the same thing, so you are wrong in this case mutxx | Oct 23 22:37 |
| schestowitz | meow | Oct 23 22:37 |
| wallc | :) | Oct 23 22:37 |
| fewa | stock price hardly means anything | Oct 23 22:37 |
| wallc | i just wondered what sound a cash-cow makes. | Oct 23 22:37 |
| fewa | so mutxx is just trolling | Oct 23 22:37 |
| schestowitz | fewa: to shareholders it does | Oct 23 22:37 |
| mutxx | they are the same thing if you sell your stocks at a higher price than you purchased them, then you make a profit. | Oct 23 22:38 |
| fewa | schestowitz, change in stock price | Oct 23 22:38 |
| fewa | but not absolute stock price | Oct 23 22:38 |
| fewa | which doesn't mean anything | Oct 23 22:38 |
| schestowitz | wallc: the cow doesn't do the "M" | Oct 23 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't use the lips | Oct 23 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It's just a groan | Oct 23 22:38 |
| fewa | stock price * volume == market capitalization | Oct 23 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no matter how they (M$) want to portray this quarters profit, its mostly comes down to " MS sucks less" this quarter, is what they try to say | Oct 23 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Or... | Oct 23 22:39 |
| schestowitz | "look at them!" | Oct 23 22:39 |
| mutxx | when "sucks less" is over a billion $$$ a week, most can live with that. | Oct 23 22:39 |
| schestowitz | "They are evil, too!" | Oct 23 22:39 |
| fewa | market capitilization actually matters | Oct 23 22:39 |
| schestowitz | "They are losing, too" | Oct 23 22:39 |
| voltronw | fewa: you mean stock price * shares? | Oct 23 22:39 |
| schestowitz | "No OS is secure" | Oct 23 22:39 |
| fewa | oh yes | Oct 23 22:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at some point, the windows tax will have to decrease, as windows just costs too much. This will be the steeper decline for M$ | Oct 23 22:40 |
| fewa | volume usually means number of quantity of transactions | Oct 23 22:40 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, not neccicarily | Oct 23 22:40 |
| schestowitz | !google 2009 gates dumps microsoft shares | Oct 23 22:40 |
| phIRCe | [1] - ReBelle Nation: Bill Gates Dumps 7 Million Microsoft Shares | http://rebellenation.blogspot.com/2009/08/bill-gates-dumps-7-million-microsoft.html | Oct 23 22:40 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Bill Gates dumps Microsoft shares - Business news, business advice ... | http://www.smartcompany.com.au/internet/20090812-bill-gates-dumps-microsoft-shares.html | Oct 23 22:40 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Bill Gates Dumps Facebook: “Too Many Friends” | http://mashable.com/2009/07/25/bill-gates-facebook/ | Oct 23 22:40 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Bill Gates Dumps 7 Million Microsoft Shares -- InformationWeek | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml%3FarticleID%3D219100623 | Oct 23 22:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | hardware prices keep coming down | Oct 23 22:40 |
| fewa | there are other propritary software models | Oct 23 22:40 |
| fewa | all less profitable | Oct 23 22:40 |
| schestowitz | !google 2009 turner dumps microsoft shares | Oct 23 22:41 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Wal-Mart dumps Linux. Much ado about...Microsoft | The Open Road ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9890880-16.html | Oct 23 22:41 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Microsoft Corporation - Google Finance | http://www.google.com/finance%3Fq%3DNASDAQ:MSFT | Oct 23 22:41 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Faster Forward - Comedy Is an Uninvited Guest at Microsoft's ... | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2009/09/microsofts_house_party_an_invi.html | Oct 23 22:41 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Contentinople - Steve Donohue - Time Warner to Dump GameTap Online ... | http://www.contentinople.com/author.asp%3Fsection_id%3D603%26doc_id%3D160993 | Oct 23 22:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | true fewa, but guess it going happen | Oct 23 22:41 |
| schestowitz | !google 2009 mundie dumps microsoft shares | Oct 23 22:41 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Why is Microsoft's Management Getting Out of Microsoft? | Boycott ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/14/mundie-gets-out-of-msft/ | Oct 23 22:41 |
| phIRCe | [2] - 2009 September 14 | Boycott Novell - Part 2 | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/14/page/2/ | Oct 23 22:41 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Breakout Performance: Ironfire Capital: Other Share Dumps Last Week | http://breakoutperformance.blogspot.com/2009/09/in-recently-criticizing-yahoos-insiders.html | Oct 23 22:41 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Silobreaker: Microsoft, Alibaba.com Execs Join Yahoo in Noticea... | http://www.silobreaker.com/microsoft-alibabacom-execs-join-yahoo-in-noticeable-share-dumps-5_2262599813138743297 | Oct 23 22:41 |
| wallc | maybe their next OS will be called "Microsoft Dumps" :) | Oct 23 22:41 |
| fewa | Microsoft has utterly failed at all the other business models | Oct 23 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Windows->Dumps | Oct 23 22:42 |
| wallc | Dumps 8 | Oct 23 22:42 |
| schestowitz | wallc: next OS will be 128-bit and make you coffee | Oct 23 22:42 |
| fewa | Windows takes a dump | Oct 23 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Oh, it reminds me.. | Oct 23 22:42 |
| fewa | brb | Oct 23 22:42 |
| *schestowitz gets tea | Oct 23 22:42 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | windows next os (8) will have an advanced file system, lets call it WINFS. and Duke Nukem Forever is almost here as well | Oct 23 22:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not | Oct 23 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Actually, DNF might come | Oct 23 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not familar with that one | Oct 23 22:45 |
| schestowitz | http://kotaku.com/233806/amazon-uk-offers-duke-nukem-forver-pre+order | Oct 23 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oh, Duke | Oct 23 22:45 |
| phIRCe | Title: Amazon U.K. Offers Duke Nukem Forver Pre-order - amazon uk - Kotaku .::. Size~: 60.82 KB | Oct 23 22:45 |
| schestowitz | The Studio goes out of business though | Oct 23 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Duke b4 WinFS is a given | Oct 23 22:45 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever | Oct 23 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | WinFUSS | Oct 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft kills longhorn reborn | Oct 23 22:46 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Microsoft to kill Windows with 'web-centric' Midori? • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/30/microsoft_midori_technical_details/ | Oct 23 22:46 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Microsoft's future file system dies, again • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/26/winfs_axed/ | Oct 23 22:46 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Why Can't Microsoft Develop Software for Zune HD? — RoughlyDrafted ... | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/08/15/why-cant-microsoft-develop-software-for-zune-hd/ | Oct 23 22:46 |
| phIRCe | [4] - 2009 June 01 | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/01/ | Oct 23 22:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | anybody else think there's a 50-50 chance of seeing Zune and WinMO being cut next year? | Oct 23 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/23/windows_seven_ballot_browser/ | Oct 23 22:48 |
| mutxx | 50-50 I like those odds, L(OL | Oct 23 22:48 |
| phIRCe | Title: Win 7 users shout: Where's my bloody ballot screen? • The Register .::. Size~: 24.18 KB | Oct 23 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | It's not rocket science to isntall Firefox | Oct 23 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/23/wd_q1fy2010/ | Oct 23 22:49 |
| schestowitz | "Western Digital had a roaringly successful first fiscal 2010 quarter with revenues 15 per cent up year-on-year." | Oct 23 22:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: Western Digital factories spin at top speed in Q1 • Channel Register .::. Size~: 23.24 KB | Oct 23 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Just Microsoft down today? | Oct 23 22:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | hey everyone! | Oct 23 22:50 |
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| wispygalaxy | how are you guys today? | Oct 23 22:51 |
| mutxx | no also IBM, appl, novl are all down today, Oracle is on 0% change and Ms is up presently 5.83% for the day | Oct 23 22:51 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, are you here?! | Oct 23 22:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you have MS stock mutxx? | Oct 23 22:52 |
| wallc | Hi wispygalaxy! | Oct 23 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | hi wallclimber! :) | Oct 23 22:52 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I meant in the sense that I got into a taxi where the driver had a lit cigarette and I was nauseated for hours afterwards" http://twitter.com/bob_sutor/statuses/5107060708 | Oct 23 22:52 |
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| wispygalaxy | hey roy! | Oct 23 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Diggers reunuion | Oct 23 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Hey, wispygalaxy! | Oct 23 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | haha phRICe is still here | Oct 23 22:53 |
| wallc | :) | Oct 23 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah digg party!! | Oct 23 22:53 |
| schestowitz | wallc: it's Tony's shadow | Oct 23 22:53 |
| schestowitz | He was too lazy to run it till an hour ago | Oct 23 22:53 |
| wallc | phIRCe is my friend. | Oct 23 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Must be busy on s/t | Oct 23 22:53 |
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| wispygalaxy | so win 7 came out, do you think it will bomb? | Oct 23 22:54 |
| wallc | ker-boom | Oct 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Define "bomb" | Oct 23 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | fail, i mean | Oct 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | It will not meet expectations | Oct 23 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | US lingo | Oct 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer said so already | Oct 23 22:54 |
| wallc | oh the humanity! exploding computers everywhere! | Oct 23 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm still sticking with debian | Oct 23 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | uh oh! | Oct 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | The plan Microsoft has is to sell the "everybody loves Vista 7" story | Oct 23 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | linux is nice to my computer | Oct 23 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | it wont hurt it | Oct 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | They played this game with Vista until Oct 2008 | Oct 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Then they started to mock Vista, finally | Oct 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | But they know both sold poorly/will sell poorly | Oct 23 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | there's a .0000000000001% chance i'm installing win 7 on my laptop | Oct 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Also lower margins. | Oct 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | The Reg today: ""Windows and Windows Live fell from $4.28bn last year to $2.62bn"" | Oct 23 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, free software is raising the stakes | Oct 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | That's like 40% drop! | Oct 23 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | who uses windows live? haha | Oct 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. | Oct 23 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | all the cool kids use gmail :P | Oct 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Hipsters buy Macs | Oct 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But only in the West | Oct 23 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister is a pseudo-hipster | Oct 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Linux is big in most nations | Oct 23 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | and she still has a toshiba laptop lol | Oct 23 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | windows is the bottom card in the M$ house of cards, you pull that out and all the cards come down, one trick pony | Oct 23 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | windows wont save MS | Oct 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Ther's no such thing as "pseudo-hipster" | Oct 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | All hipsters fake it by def | Oct 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | That's why they are "hipsters" | Oct 23 22:57 |
| wispygalaxy | well, she's not *really* a hipster | Oct 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Cool people are cool about it | Oct 23 22:57 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah! | Oct 23 22:57 |
| wispygalaxy | hispters hate it when you call them hipsters, actually | Oct 23 22:57 |
| wispygalaxy | idk why lol | Oct 23 22:58 |
| schestowitz | People who are ok with their image don't buy huge gm cars | Oct 23 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Call them "dipsters" | Oct 23 22:59 |
| wispygalaxy | when i was in germany this past summer, i saw a few GM cars. most were BMW , VW, and mercedes-benz | Oct 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | He disps*ters for short :-) | Oct 23 22:59 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Oct 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Hummer | Oct 23 23:00 |
| wispygalaxy | hispters try to find the most obscure things then call it their own | Oct 23 23:00 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't see hummers that much anymore on the road | Oct 23 23:00 |
| wispygalaxy | my family likes toyota | Oct 23 23:00 |
| wispygalaxy | need few repairs, great MPG, etc | Oct 23 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://insidesocal.com/click/2009/10/browsers-in-linux-they-own-you.html | Oct 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. | Oct 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: cause petrol prices are high maybe | Oct 23 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, that's trie | Oct 23 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | true* | Oct 23 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | but you'll look like a jerk if you drive one lol | Oct 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can transform them to sem-trailer to carry bricks | Oct 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | You know, do something useful with those 5 tonne things | Oct 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | *semi | Oct 23 23:03 |
| wispygalaxy | we should have traded them in when the "cash for clunkers" program was going on | Oct 23 23:03 |
| wispygalaxy | hummers are basically useless | Oct 23 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some people think it makes a statement to drive a hummer, that they have money and do not care about the price of gas | Oct 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | fewa shared a good video here | Oct 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Oct 23 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | i can afford a hummer, but i care about the environment more | Oct 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH1G7w4smrQ&feature=related | Oct 23 23:04 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Who Killed The Electric Car? Part 4 Greek Subtitles .::. Size~: 109.29 KB | Oct 23 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks roy | Oct 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I got my recycling bins | Oct 23 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | good for you! :) | Oct 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | FInally washing tin cans and stuff | Oct 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I felt bad tossing all that metal to end up in landfills | Oct 23 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | i really hate it when people throw water bottles in the trash, not recycling bin | Oct 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 100 years from now people will find their tooth fillings in the garbage cans :-) | Oct 23 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | haha! | Oct 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Water doesn't need bottles | Oct 23 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | metal detectors must be going crazy over at the dump | Oct 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Not disposable ones anyway | Oct 23 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | it gives people a false sense of hope, that there is treasure when it's really cans | Oct 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It's like those chocaolate boxes with more wrappings than scoff | Oct 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, it does | Oct 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Try to charge a person a dollar to use a water cooler | Oct 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Imagine *that* | Oct 23 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | that will discourage people from gossiping at the water cooler,,,, they have to pay now! | Oct 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Also the caps... | Oct 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Very fancy ones | Oct 23 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | carbon caps, you mean? | Oct 23 23:08 |
| schestowitz | All down the trash after some gulping | Oct 23 23:08 |
| schestowitz | total waste | Oct 23 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | oh bottle caps | Oct 23 23:08 |
| mutxx | cups I think he ment | Oct 23 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | some people think they'll win a prize, so they keep the caps | Oct 23 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | oh cups, sry | Oct 23 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | i never entered the code for a prize when i got one on a bottle lol | Oct 23 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | the prize is probably some cheap baseball cap | Oct 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://web-tech-reviews.blogspot.com/2006/11/976-million-dead-birds-year.html | Oct 23 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitpic.com/1fvao | Oct 23 23:10 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote: "It's a sad day for the PC industry when one of its giants gets wide praise because it did not mess up in a big way. But that was the low hurdle Windows 7 stepped over Thursday." http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220900269 | Oct 23 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | lol, "brain dead animal with bird" | Oct 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | This oenis new: http://consumerist.com/5385798/your-bottlecaps-found-in-dead-birds-bellies | Oct 23 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | i was talking about http://twitpic.com/1fvao btw | Oct 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Watch the pictures | Oct 23 23:11 |
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| wispygalaxy | i will haha | Oct 23 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how do I ask phIRCe to google for news on "windows 8" | Oct 23 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or can someone | Oct 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch | Oct 23 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | They eat our trash | Oct 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Bottle caps | Oct 23 23:12 |
| trmanco | !google news windows 8 | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Windows 8 News | http://windows8news.com/ | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [2] - 8 things you need to know about Windows 8 | News | TechRadar UK | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-windows-8-643699 | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Windows 8 News » Windows 8 x128 !!!?? – The next PC revolution has ... | http://blog.eightforums.com/windows_8/windows-8-x128-the-next-pc-revolution-has-is-begun/ | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Windows 8 Beta - | http://windows8beta.com/ | Oct 23 23:12 |
| trmanco | just do !google <keywords> | Oct 23 23:12 |
| mutxx | Chips, google is free for all to use, so knock yourself out. | Oct 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | !google vista 8 | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Vista 7 | http://www.vista8.com/ | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [2] - DL - Vista 8 Help | http://www.ehhs.kent.edu/dl/vista8help.cfm | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Vista 8 GeorgiaVIEW Maintenance Schedule - Spring 2009 - GeorgiaVIEW | http://www.usg.edu/gaview/support/maint8-schedule.phtml | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Migrating to Vista 8 Part 2 . ADC Blog . Blogs . Blackboard ... | http://connections.blackboard.com/posts/bd9b49abbf | Oct 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | !google vista 8 reality | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Vista 8 Reality Log - Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_8_Reality_Log | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Colin Meeks » The Vista Reality | http://www.colinmeeks.com/2008/04/the-vista-reality/ | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [3] - PR under Windows Vista - Page 8 - Project Reality Forums | http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f358-software-operating-systems/45000-pr-under-windows-vista-8.html | Oct 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Working Tech: A reality check for Vista - Sep. 8, 2006 | http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/07/technology/Reality_check_Vista.biz2/index.htm | Oct 23 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | hey tony! | Oct 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Oct 23 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | i learned about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch in oceanography class | Oct 23 23:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | theres a lot of stuff now on windows 8 out there, the vaporware has started again | Oct 23 23:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: Great Pacific Garbage Patch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 83.63 KB | Oct 23 23:13 |
| trmanco | hey wispy | Oct 23 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | how are you today? | Oct 23 23:13 |
| trmanco | how are you? | Oct 23 23:13 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 23 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | scared of win 7? | Oct 23 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | im not lol | Oct 23 23:13 |
| trmanco | I good, and you? | Oct 23 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Oct 23 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | i doing great! | Oct 23 23:13 |
| trmanco | nah, to celebrate, today I've upgraded to karmic | Oct 23 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | woo :) | Oct 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:13] <wispygalaxy> i doing great! | Oct 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | is nicwe | Oct 23 23:13 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 23 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | hopefully, ill be testing a new distro soon | Oct 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Try Mandriva | Oct 23 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | woops typo :P | Oct 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | 2010 RC2 | Oct 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | It's out soon | Oct 23 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | mandriva is awesome | Oct 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | It also has a girl's name | Oct 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Drake | Oct 23 23:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How Internet governance works http://is.gd/4yfAF HT @xlerb | Oct 23 23:15 | |
| wispygalaxy | ahhhh i see lol | Oct 23 23:15 |
| phIRCe | Title: HE-Cogent-cake-owen on Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 53.56 KB | Oct 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Fedora and SUSIE also | Oct 23 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | debian has a girl's *and* guy's name ;P | Oct 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | But SUSE went to bed with SteveB | Oct 23 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | ewwwww! | Oct 23 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | lmao | Oct 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | "The tongue," I told her, "be careful of the tongue" | Oct 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | !google ballmer tongue fetish | Oct 23 23:16 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Steve Ballmer, from Tongue Fetish to Crazy iPod/Zune Dance - Will ... | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Steve-Ballmer-from-Tongue-Fetish-to-Crazy-iPod-Zune-Dance-61761.shtml | Oct 23 23:16 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Does Ballmer Have a Tongue Fetish? - Does he? - Softpedia | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Does-Ballmer-Have-a-Tongue-Fetish-41685.shtml | Oct 23 23:16 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Joss Stone — Blogs, Pictures, and more on WordPress | http://en.wordpress.com/tag/joss-stone/ | Oct 23 23:16 |
| phIRCe | [4] - tongue - Gizmodo | http://gizmodo.com/tag/cmt/tongue/ | Oct 23 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | hhhhaaa! | Oct 23 23:16 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Oct 23 23:16 |
| schestowitz | SUSE is a lizard | Oct 23 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Chameleon | Oct 23 23:16 |
| schestowitz | So she and Steve have something in common | Oct 23 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | he's like gene simmons with the tongue | Oct 23 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | ballmer i mean | Oct 23 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | awwww | Oct 23 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | how touching | Oct 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Well, we know what that is.. | Oct 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | When the long tongue is sticking out, run away | Oct 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/10/ballmer_wideweb__470x331,0.jpg | Oct 23 23:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 23 23:18 |
| wispygalaxy | i bet he can touch his nose with his tongue | Oct 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Ewww... | Oct 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm drinking here | Oct 23 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | can you? i cant | Oct 23 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | ahahah sorry roy! | Oct 23 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | what are you having? :) | Oct 23 23:19 |
| wallc | it's dinnertime here, guess i better go forage for food...wispy, roy, chips, everyone, take care. :) | Oct 23 23:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | see ya wallc | Oct 23 23:21 |
| wallc | :) | Oct 23 23:21 |
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| wispygalaxy | see ya wallclimber! | Oct 23 23:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cou;d be a good story on that MS store visit | Oct 23 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | my dorm room is right outside a bunch of trees that have yellow, orange, and red leaves. it is so lovely | Oct 23 23:23 |
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| wispygalaxy | i g2g guys, it's dinner time for me. take care for now! | Oct 23 23:26 |
| wispygalaxy | bye roy, where ever you are! ;) | Oct 23 23:28 |
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| trmanco | cya wispygalaxy | Oct 23 23:28 |
| trmanco | meh | Oct 23 23:28 |
| tessier | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1414209&cid=29835259 | Oct 23 23:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot Comments | Engineers Tell How Feedback Shaped Windows 7 .::. Size~: 88.68 KB | Oct 23 23:31 |
| tessier | Windows 7 is like a psycho ex gf | Oct 23 23:31 |
| tessier | Brilliant! | Oct 23 23:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, nice article on the Gates Buffet foundation | Oct 23 23:33 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Goblin! | Oct 23 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I had an idea: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ron-hovsepian-ballmer.jpg | Oct 23 23:43 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 23 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: thanks | Oct 23 23:44 |
| tessier | There is an website somewhere about the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and how billions of dollars of government subsidies and tax money were given to telcos and they have squandered it all. | Oct 23 23:44 |
| tessier | Anyone remember where that is? I can't find it. | Oct 23 23:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] With #Windows Revenue in Huge Decline, #Novell No Longer Needs #Microsoft http://ping.fm/k3iYg | Oct 23 23:49 | |
| phIRCe | Title: With Windows Revenue in Huge Decline, Novell No Longer Needs Microsoft | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.59 KB | Oct 23 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Apology for singing shop worker http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8317952.stm | Oct 23 23:54 |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 84.22 KB | Oct 23 23:54 |
| tessier | http://www.newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm | Oct 23 23:54 |
| tessier | That's it! | Oct 23 23:54 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Who Da'Punk is mini micro$oft. The cutting room floor of mini micro$oft has comments on it that say Nov 4th more layoffs | Oct 23 23:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | should know soon | Oct 23 23:59 |
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