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Chips_B_Malroy | Why should Mrs Zhou work for one month to buy Windows 7? http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/sinobytes/post.htm?id=63014447&scid=hm_bl Quote: "In China the upgrade won't come cheap, with the top version of Windows 7 - dubbed 'Ultimate' - costing the equivalent of a month's salary for the average Chinese office worker (the average Mrs Zhou, so to speak) at a low-to-medium level desk-job (that's about 2500 RMB; USD 366)" | Oct 25 00:05 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Windows 7 Launch Parties Fizzle http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/174237/windows_7_launch_parties_fizzle.html | Oct 25 00:06 |
fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, who cares? | Oct 25 00:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, only those who use windows I guess Fewa | Oct 25 00:08 |
fewa | even then they dont give a shit about the advertising | Oct 25 00:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the parties were a joke, and a distraction | Oct 25 00:10 |
fewa | exactly my point | Oct 25 00:12 |
fewa | any coverage is good coverage | Oct 25 00:12 |
fewa | you have to understand that | Oct 25 00:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | especially that which is almost free | Oct 25 00:13 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] This kid has a future in the NHL http://ur1.ca/ed4b | Oct 25 00:19 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Launch Said to Have Failed http://ping.fm/DPaRd | Oct 25 00:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Recites #Microsoft -Funded Lies About #Vista7 http://ping.fm/R5FF9 #idc #propaganda | Oct 25 00:26 | |
schestowitz | fewa: what do you think about these posts | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | I don't think they serve as much of an advertiser | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | They don't repeat conventional PR points | Oct 25 00:35 |
fewa | its just that Chris was posting in here | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | Rather they show the issues | Oct 25 00:35 |
fewa | and I dont think anyone in here cares | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | Chips or Chris? | Oct 25 00:35 |
fewa | Chips :p | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | Yes, I agree what he cites is bad | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | That's the type of stuff I ignore | Oct 25 00:36 |
fewa | putting it out there, breaking the noise is good | Oct 25 00:36 |
schestowitz | Sob stories and fluff from CNET | Oct 25 00:36 |
fewa | and when its just covering the marketing | Oct 25 00:36 |
fewa | its junk | Oct 25 00:36 |
schestowitz | Or the fancy dramatic headlines that contain VIsta 7 boosting | Oct 25 00:36 |
fewa | useless | Oct 25 00:36 |
fewa | its begging the question | Oct 25 00:36 |
fewa | and advertising something noone heard about or gives a iota about | Oct 25 00:36 |
schestowitz | Armed with a cup of tea, I am doing a marathon of posts ATM :-)) | Oct 25 00:37 |
fewa | cup o' tea :P | Oct 25 00:38 |
fewa | how brit of u | Oct 25 00:38 |
fewa | here in the US people drink that black tar stuff | Oct 25 00:38 |
schestowitz | Saying "Vista 7' makes people think too | Oct 25 00:39 |
fewa | yeah its good | Oct 25 00:39 |
fewa | break the noise | Oct 25 00:39 |
schestowitz | It makes them mix "7" with its predecessor and base | Oct 25 00:39 |
schestowitz | Which the press now says "is dead" | Oct 25 00:39 |
schestowitz | Nobody would buy Vista now | Oct 25 00:39 |
fewa | bury the failure as quick as possible | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | [00:38] <fewa> here in the US people drink that black tar stuff | Oct 25 00:40 |
fewa | and try to rebrand it | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | I used to 'do' coffeee | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | fewa: Mojave | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | Only for real | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | It's not so fa apart | Oct 25 00:40 |
fewa | yep | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | Mojave: 2008 | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | And then SP2 | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | Then Vista 7 beta | Oct 25 00:40 |
fewa | its always amazing how much the plans of these elites are in the open | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | Only for selected journos | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | The others got kicked out | Oct 25 00:40 |
fewa | not just on "trivial" matters of technology | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Not to be given laptop bribes at PDC (IIRC) from W-E | Oct 25 00:41 |
fewa | its just about listening for it | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Trend setting media | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Trend setting media | Oct 25 00:41 |
fewa | and then acting on what you read | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Trend setting media | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Set the tone | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 is good | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | The empoeror looks good in boxers | Oct 25 00:41 |
fewa | and not succumbing to the propaganda | Oct 25 00:41 |
fewa | you have to _be bold_ | Oct 25 00:41 |
fewa | and say it | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Oh | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | it wasn't beta BTW | Oct 25 00:41 |
fewa | what all the other smart people are thinking | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | It was pre-beta | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Only shown to like 20 people | Oct 25 00:41 |
fewa | thats what Grayson has hit on the nail | Oct 25 00:41 |
schestowitz | Like Ed Bott | Oct 25 00:42 |
schestowitz | And other known Microsoft shills | Oct 25 00:42 |
schestowitz | Or dans | Oct 25 00:42 |
fewa | "I'm just saying what everyone else is hearing" | Oct 25 00:42 |
schestowitz | *Fans | Oct 25 00:42 |
fewa | *thinking | Oct 25 00:42 |
schestowitz | Those whom you give a $2000 laptop would love the product and company either way | Oct 25 00:42 |
schestowitz | MVP treatment | Oct 25 00:42 |
schestowitz | I'm seeing some bad reviews | Oct 25 00:42 |
schestowitz | People buy Vista 7 and it's like VIsta | Oct 25 00:42 |
fewa | I likes the takers that braged about it | Oct 25 00:43 |
fewa | and such | Oct 25 00:43 |
schestowitz | No printer, games don't run, etc. | Oct 25 00:43 |
schestowitz | They'll run to XP some of them.. | Oct 25 00:43 |
schestowitz | They are not gurus!! | Oct 25 00:43 |
schestowitz | They don't know what virtualisation means | Oct 25 00:43 |
fewa | aka this: http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2007/01/an_interesting_offer.html | Oct 25 00:43 |
schestowitz | No longer do MSDN subs (techNet) use this | Oct 25 00:43 |
schestowitz | Now it's down to John and Jane | Oct 25 00:43 |
fewa | Rick Jelliffe bragging about taking bribes | Oct 25 00:43 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | Oct 25 00:44 |
schestowitz | I know. | Oct 25 00:44 |
schestowitz | He hates me for writing about this a lot | Oct 25 00:44 |
schestowitz | But he's detested by many anyway | Oct 25 00:44 |
schestowitz | He sorta vanished from docs debate | Oct 25 00:44 |
schestowitz | Not seen anything from him in almost 1 years, at least 6 months | Oct 25 00:44 |
fewa | he asked for it | Oct 25 00:44 |
schestowitz | Not even wikipedia edits | Oct 25 00:44 |
schestowitz | Just very few | Oct 25 00:44 |
fewa | it was immediately pointed out | Oct 25 00:45 |
schestowitz | Then I exposed him some months ago | Oct 25 00:45 |
schestowitz | Before Weird flipped the table | Oct 25 00:45 |
fewa | "Since you openly admit to being paid my Microsoft you immediately destroy any credibility as a neutral commentator. End of story." | Oct 25 00:45 |
schestowitz | *Wier | Oct 25 00:45 |
schestowitz | *Weir | Oct 25 00:45 |
fewa | what should be obvious | Oct 25 00:45 |
fewa | Weir is a good rationalist | Oct 25 00:45 |
schestowitz | it's also Dough | Oct 25 00:45 |
schestowitz | Elephant in the Room Doug | Oct 25 00:45 |
fewa | you just state the facts that show hypocricy | Oct 25 00:46 |
schestowitz | Malaysia/US citizen | Oct 25 00:46 |
fewa | not very complicated | Oct 25 00:46 |
schestowitz | Depending on the day and card | Oct 25 00:46 |
fewa | thats what you do | Oct 25 00:46 |
fewa | will make change | Oct 25 00:46 |
fewa | and you do it consistantly | Oct 25 00:46 |
schestowitz | As FFII guy puts it, "some peopel change gender, Doug changes hats" | Oct 25 00:46 |
schestowitz | Doug came to Rick with the money | Oct 25 00:46 |
schestowitz | Lund, the other shills, brags to me when Doug buys him a sandwich | Oct 25 00:46 |
schestowitz | They are all having a good time at the bar | Oct 25 00:47 |
schestowitz | Brown also | Oct 25 00:47 |
schestowitz | The same bunch | Oct 25 00:47 |
schestowitz | Lund and Brown are friends | Oct 25 00:47 |
schestowitz | And Doug is there w/ them | Oct 25 00:47 |
schestowitz | It's funny when FFII goes through their photos and shows them hanging out together | Oct 25 00:47 |
schestowitz | Lund, Brown and Microsoft | Oct 25 00:47 |
fewa | doug is halarious | Oct 25 00:48 |
fewa | so immature | Oct 25 00:49 |
fewa | just amkes Microsoft look like the underdog | Oct 25 00:49 |
fewa | o guess this isn't Doug | Oct 25 00:51 |
fewa | http://blogs.technet.com/gray_knowlton/archive/2009/05/06/rethinking-odf-leadership.aspx | Oct 25 00:51 |
fewa | but still | Oct 25 00:51 |
fewa | its obvious they are loosing | Oct 25 00:51 |
fewa | when they have to stoop so low | Oct 25 00:51 |
fewa | Facts v. Ad Hominem | Oct 25 00:52 |
schestowitz | Oh | Oct 25 00:54 |
schestowitz | Knolton | Oct 25 00:54 |
schestowitz | Let me find s/t | Oct 25 00:54 |
schestowitz | Cause he hates me too | Oct 25 00:55 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Zombies Cost #Advertisers Billions http://ping.fm/crDj1 | Oct 25 00:55 | |
fewa | "hate" | Oct 25 00:55 |
fewa | thats it | Oct 25 00:55 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : how comes that Mutex_ is back ? | Oct 25 00:55 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/13/gray-knowlton-will-be-happy/ | Oct 25 00:55 |
schestowitz | Follow the link for context | Oct 25 00:55 |
schestowitz | I didn't make this picture, someone from IRC did | Oct 25 00:55 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: he was given another chance -- a right to which he does not deserve based on today's behaviour | Oct 25 00:56 |
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schestowitz | Hey | Oct 25 00:57 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : I like this channel's democracy | Oct 25 00:58 |
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_goblin | hi all. | Oct 25 01:05 |
_goblin | just back from work.... | Oct 25 01:05 |
_Hicham_ | _goblin : the big G plz :) | Oct 25 01:06 |
fewa | Google? | Oct 25 01:06 |
_goblin | lol | Oct 25 01:07 |
_goblin | ok | Oct 25 01:07 |
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_Hicham_ | _goblin : thanks :) | Oct 25 01:07 |
fewa | ɢ | Oct 25 01:08 |
fewa | or this one: ɠ | Oct 25 01:08 |
_Hicham_ | _goblin : how is it going with Wolvix ? | Oct 25 01:08 |
_Goblin | great | Oct 25 01:08 |
_Goblin | although, Ive been doing a little distro hopping and found a few new favs | Oct 25 01:09 |
_Hicham_ | tell us | Oct 25 01:09 |
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_Goblin | Mandriva...surprise to me since its KDE | Oct 25 01:09 |
*fe is now known as fewa | Oct 25 01:10 | |
_Goblin | Puppy Linux was also a hit in the home of the Goblin. | Oct 25 01:11 |
_Goblin | and Im looking again at #!CBL | Oct 25 01:11 |
_Goblin | “let those who have Windows 7 receive thy pity for they know not what they do..” – Goblin 3:16 | Oct 25 01:12 |
_Goblin | and for the BN trolls that is a mickey take of an email I recieved claiming Linux Zealots.......Its mentioned on my site. | Oct 25 01:13 |
_Hicham_ | Mutex_ is silent | Oct 25 01:13 |
_Hicham_ | otherwise he would have defended Windows again | Oct 25 01:13 |
_Goblin | yeah....I think I upset him earlier..... | Oct 25 01:13 |
fewa | _Goblin, upset a troll? | Oct 25 01:13 |
_Goblin | I spend 1hr running rings around him. | Oct 25 01:13 |
_Goblin | it was a good time filler whilst I waited to go to work. | Oct 25 01:14 |
_Hicham_ | is he a microsoft puppet ? | Oct 25 01:14 |
_Hicham_ | is he paid by them ? | Oct 25 01:14 |
_Goblin | I wouldn't think so. | Oct 25 01:14 |
_Hicham_ | by the way, Fedora 12 looks promising with its new Power Management Feature | Oct 25 01:15 |
_Goblin | Its more like he's a disgruntled Lins#x forum member who wants to get back at BN because Lins#x can't get any support. | Oct 25 01:15 |
_Hicham_ | gotta test my laptop with it | Oct 25 01:15 |
_Hicham_ | and see how long the battery can last | Oct 25 01:15 |
_Goblin | Fedora 12.....yep Ive looked and liked! | Oct 25 01:15 |
schestowitz |  | Oct 25 01:15 |
schestowitz | [00:58] <_Hicham_> schestowitz : I like this channel's democracy | Oct 25 01:15 |
schestowitz | Cool, thanks. | Oct 25 01:15 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : wanna do a pushup contest with me ? | Oct 25 01:16 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, F12 gets good reviews | Oct 25 01:16 |
schestowitz | The developers of it are excited about it | Oct 25 01:17 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: sure, but how? | Oct 25 01:17 |
schestowitz | Tomorrow there's another competition | Oct 25 01:17 |
_Hicham_ | _Goblin : u sure he wants to get back to BN ? | Oct 25 01:17 |
_Hicham_ | really ? | Oct 25 01:17 |
_Goblin | just trying to make sense out of his actions....he has such a weak stance, I couldn't think of any other reason. | Oct 25 01:18 |
_Goblin | he had a plethora of claims to make..... | Oct 25 01:18 |
_Goblin | apparently Im Roy's guard dog. | Oct 25 01:19 |
_Goblin | growl... | Oct 25 01:19 |
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Diablo-D3 | hawt | Oct 25 01:19 |
_Hicham_ | bad Diablo-D3 :) | Oct 25 01:20 |
_Goblin | talking of which here's mine: http://www.twitpic.com/1oyeq | Oct 25 01:21 |
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yuhong | Curious to see your reaction to this slashdot article: | Oct 25 01:21 |
Diablo-D3 | bwhah | Oct 25 01:21 |
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yuhong | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/24/166241/A-Tale-of-Two-Windows-7s | Oct 25 01:22 |
yuhong | (This should be fun!) | Oct 25 01:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Bypasses the Law and Breaks the #Web for #Opera and #GNU #Linux Users, Again http://ping.fm/Nfvkt | Oct 25 01:26 | |
yuhong | Curious to see your reaction to this slashdot article: | Oct 25 01:27 |
yuhong | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/24/166241/A-Tale-of-Two-Windows-7s | Oct 25 01:27 |
yuhong | (This should be fun!) | Oct 25 01:27 |
schestowitz | [01:19] <_Goblin> apparently Im Roy's guard dog. | Oct 25 01:28 |
schestowitz | That's a psychological strategy | Oct 25 01:28 |
schestowitz | The USENET trolls use it too | Oct 25 01:28 |
schestowitz | They insult people's intelligence | Oct 25 01:28 |
yuhong | I agree, extremely silly. | Oct 25 01:28 |
schestowitz | Suggesting that they are parrots of someone else | Oct 25 01:28 |
schestowitz | Some people would say I parrot RMS or something | Oct 25 01:28 |
yuhong | Anyway, curious to see your reaction to this slashdot article: | Oct 25 01:28 |
yuhong | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/24/166241/A-Tale-of-Two-Windows-7s | Oct 25 01:28 |
schestowitz | When in fact I disagree with RMS on issues | Oct 25 01:28 |
yuhong | (This should be fun!) | Oct 25 01:28 |
_Goblin | funny thing was, I wanted him to make an allegation of me....he tried and then fell flat on his face.... | Oct 25 01:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Get it sorted Voldemort! - " Windows 7 Upgrade Emerging Problem" http://tinyurl.com/yjjn7h2 #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #fail | Oct 25 01:29 | |
_Hicham_ | yuhong : stop spamming | Oct 25 01:29 |
schestowitz | yuhong: reading | Oct 25 01:29 |
yuhong | OK, I just want to ensure you have received it. | Oct 25 01:29 |
schestowitz | yuhong: it's a Microsoft ad | Oct 25 01:30 |
schestowitz | No use for that | Oct 25 01:30 |
schestowitz | Slashvertisment | Oct 25 01:30 |
yuhong | It isn't. | Oct 25 01:30 |
yuhong | I don't think so. | Oct 25 01:30 |
yuhong | It mentions BOTH sides. | Oct 25 01:30 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/28/microsoft-slashvertisements-apache/ | Oct 25 01:30 |
schestowitz | yuhong: hehe | Oct 25 01:30 |
schestowitz | Which both sides? | Oct 25 01:30 |
schestowitz | See the imbalance | Oct 25 01:30 |
yuhong | "It was the best of operating systems, it was the worst of operating systems. When it comes to the merits of Windows 7, it looks like Slate's Farhad Manjoo and PC Magazine's John Dvorak are going to have to agree to disagree. Manjoo gives Windows 7 a big thumbs-up (a sincere one, unlike Linus!), calling it a 'crowning achievement,' while Dvorak is less than impressed, saying, 'Win 7 is... | Oct 25 01:30 |
yuhong | ...really just a Vista martini. The operating system may have two olives instead of one this time out, but it's still made with the same cheap Microsoft vodka.' So, for those of you who've had a chance to check things out, are things really different this time?" | Oct 25 01:30 |
schestowitz | Even tossing in Linus humour as validation | Oct 25 01:31 |
schestowitz | yuhong: it's fluffy | Oct 25 01:31 |
yuhong | Why? | Oct 25 01:31 |
schestowitz | "Your Account Has Been Compromised !" | Oct 25 01:31 |
schestowitz | Oh, no | Oct 25 01:31 |
schestowitz | My E-mail says my bank was compromised :-) | Oct 25 01:32 |
yuhong | It mentions Slate's Farhad Manjoo as pro Windows 7 and PC Magazine's John Dvorak as anti-Windows 7. | Oct 25 01:32 |
schestowitz | So muc junk, always from OE or Outlook | Oct 25 01:32 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 01:32 |
schestowitz | Farhad Manjoo | Oct 25 01:32 |
schestowitz | Haha | Oct 25 01:32 |
schestowitz | He's a big shill | Oct 25 01:32 |
fewa | all from WIndows computers | Oct 25 01:32 |
yuhong | Evidence? | Oct 25 01:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+Farhad+Manjoo+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Oct 25 01:32 |
fewa | the most massive organized sydicate in eistance | Oct 25 01:32 |
schestowitz | Slate is Microsoft site | Oct 25 01:33 |
schestowitz | Now Washpost | Oct 25 01:33 |
schestowitz | Melinda French Patentates | Oct 25 01:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=site%3Aboycottnovell.com+slate&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Oct 25 01:33 |
schestowitz | fewa: yes, zombies and spam are Windows | Oct 25 01:33 |
schestowitz | I have a great expose of the Gateses coming | Oct 25 01:34 |
schestowitz | Someone who looks at them exclusively mailed me today | Oct 25 01:34 |
schestowitz | Turns out he's a BN fan :-) | Oct 25 01:34 |
fewa | and this bullshit: http://blogs.msdn.com/dmahugh/archive/2009/05/09/1-2-1.aspx | Oct 25 01:37 |
yuhong | Well, I was expecting a fun flamewar. | Oct 25 01:38 |
cubezzz | I'm sure there's lots of people who don't like Gates | Oct 25 01:39 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 01:40 |
yuhong | Also noticed I already debunked some of the articles on BN on Vista 7. | Oct 25 01:42 |
_Goblin | nice find here.....if you want to see Windows 7 issues in real time, check out this twitter account: | Oct 25 01:47 |
_Goblin | http://twitter.com/MicrosoftHelps | Oct 25 01:47 |
fewa | nice | Oct 25 01:47 |
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_Goblin | theres some excellent quotes in there for my blog articles... | Oct 25 01:48 |
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cubezzz | I'd rather not even look at that | Oct 25 01:50 |
cubezzz | life is too short to look at windows problems | Oct 25 01:50 |
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yuhong | I know, in fact I read that MS created a lot of twitter accounts for WIndows 7. | Oct 25 01:52 |
fewa | lots of unofficial shills too | Oct 25 01:52 |
_Goblin | true, if it were a level playing field....but the MS faithful use dishonest methods to suggest Windows 7 is the ultimate....better that a user makes a decision based on informed choice. | Oct 25 01:52 |
fewa | yuhong, http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/10/exclusive-us-spies-buy-stake-in-twitter-blog-monitoring-firm/ | Oct 25 01:53 |
fewa | this company has contracts with MSFT | Oct 25 01:53 |
fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/22/cia_invests_in_software_firm_monitoring | Oct 25 01:53 |
_Goblin | cubezzz: "life is too short to look at windows problems" - Very true, I don't think anyone would be able to live long enough to be able to cover all of them... | Oct 25 01:54 |
fewa | and you cant fix them | Oct 25 01:54 |
fewa | as opposed to Linux problems | Oct 25 01:54 |
fewa | thats why Windows will die | Oct 25 01:54 |
_Goblin | fewa: Don't forget though, its never MS's fault. | Oct 25 01:55 |
_Goblin | fewa: and "it will be better next time" | Oct 25 01:55 |
fewa | even though only they can fix the problems... | Oct 25 01:55 |
yuhong | Really? | Oct 25 01:55 |
fewa | many of them | Oct 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | [01:52] <_Goblin> true, if it were a level playing field....but the MS faithful use dishonest methods to suggest Windows 7 is the ultimate....better that a user makes a decision based on informed choice. | Oct 25 01:55 |
fewa | only they can fix their own code | Oct 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | It's a matter of survival to them | Oct 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | Windowqs revenue down sharply | Oct 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | Windows is common carrier | Oct 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | No Windows sales, no Office | Oct 25 01:56 |
yuhong | Of course, but are all these problems really all MS's fault? | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | Margins declines | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | *declined | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | And people look at other options | Oct 25 01:56 |
_Goblin | yuhong: Yes, past behaviour and poor products. | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | Latvia ponders moving all to FOSS now | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | They adopted ODF already | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | fewa: I watched the Sudan and Iraq water dispute vids you sent us | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | Not too intereting TBH | Oct 25 01:56 |
cubezzz | how much are they selling windows 7 for? | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | I've begun watching the documentary Missing Link | Oct 25 01:57 |
yuhong | I know, MS code can have bugs, but I don't think all WIndows problems are caused byt hem? | Oct 25 01:57 |
cubezzz | and is it the same in each country? | Oct 25 01:57 |
_Goblin | "I know, MS code can have bugs, but I don't think all WIndows problems are caused byt hem?" - No none of them are. According to Microsoft its never their fault. | Oct 25 01:57 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: should be a free 'upgrade' | Oct 25 01:57 |
schestowitz | Esp. for VIsta -users- victims | Oct 25 01:57 |
cubezzz | yeah, you would think vista users would get windows 7 upgrade for free | Oct 25 01:58 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: mail http://twitter.com/MicrosoftHelps | Oct 25 01:58 |
cubezzz | is that actually the case? | Oct 25 01:58 |
schestowitz | ping it to ask: | Oct 25 01:58 |
schestowitz | "How can I install Linux on top of Windows?" | Oct 25 01:58 |
_Goblin | lol | Oct 25 01:58 |
_Goblin | good idea! | Oct 25 01:58 |
schestowitz | Or: "did Microsoft Help demolish the Yahoo!-Google deal?" | Oct 25 01:58 |
_Goblin | Ill give it a go. | Oct 25 01:58 |
yuhong | Of course, not normally, but people who recently bought Vista with a new PC should be able to get 7 for free. | Oct 25 01:58 |
fewa | "free" | Oct 25 01:59 |
schestowitz | No profit though | Oct 25 01:59 |
yuhong | Apple did the same thing with Snow Leopard. | Oct 25 01:59 |
fewa | its steeped in anti-features | Oct 25 01:59 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is stuck there | Oct 25 01:59 |
fewa | its a downgrade | Oct 25 01:59 |
schestowitz | The upgrade ramp | Oct 25 01:59 |
schestowitz | Planned obsolescence | Oct 25 01:59 |
fewa | upgrade treatmill | Oct 25 01:59 |
schestowitz | How to convince people that the old is broken | Oct 25 01:59 |
cubezzz | exactly | Oct 25 01:59 |
yuhong | But on MicrosoftHelps, yes that would be funny! | Oct 25 01:59 |
fewa | in reality, they wont get past XP | Oct 25 01:59 |
cubezzz | the upgrade treadmill | Oct 25 01:59 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 01:59 |
schestowitz | And that the news will be worth another expenditure.. for the same code with some modifications | Oct 25 01:00 |
schestowitz | It's essentially a charge for large patches | Oct 25 01:00 |
yuhong | I would not go that far. | Oct 25 01:00 |
fewa | no new features | Oct 25 01:00 |
yuhong | Not true.\ | Oct 25 01:00 |
schestowitz | Unlike those who design a car to break after a limited time | Oct 25 01:00 |
fewa | the advertising just says it | Oct 25 01:00 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 01:00 |
schestowitz | Or in the case of PCs the CPU battery | Oct 25 01:00 |
_Goblin | there, done. | Oct 25 01:00 |
_Goblin | _Goblin @MicrosoftHelps How do you remove Windows 7 in favor of a Linux distribution? #microsoft #windows #vista #xp | Oct 25 01:00 |
_Goblin | less than 20 seconds ago from web | Oct 25 01:00 |
fewa | they call it 7, but it calls itsself 6.1 | Oct 25 01:00 |
yuhong | Funny. | Oct 25 01:00 |
schestowitz | There is actually evidence to show that they do this | Oct 25 01:00 |
yuhong | There are new features. | Oct 25 01:00 |
schestowitz | But it's illegal, it's collusion | Oct 25 01:00 |
schestowitz | Yet no-one care | Oct 25 01:00 |
schestowitz | *cares to prosecute | Oct 25 01:01 |
cubezzz | Toshiba used to make microwave ovens | Oct 25 01:01 |
cubezzz | mine lasted about 25 years | Oct 25 01:01 |
fewa | the court systems need to get cheaper | Oct 25 01:01 |
cubezzz | they don't make microwave ovens any more | Oct 25 01:01 |
fewa | cubezzz, you go out of business if you make such a good Microwave | Oct 25 01:01 |
fewa | you have to keep people on treatmills to make money | Oct 25 01:01 |
fewa | like ink cartraiges | Oct 25 01:01 |
yuhong | A classic example is the Model M keyboard. | Oct 25 01:01 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: microwave is good for you | Oct 25 01:02 |
schestowitz | oops. | Oct 25 01:02 |
schestowitz | I mean, bad for you | Oct 25 01:02 |
fewa | yuhong, those are nice | Oct 25 01:02 |
cubezzz | lol | Oct 25 01:02 |
schestowitz | It's banned in Sweden | Oct 25 01:02 |
cubezzz | why bad? | Oct 25 01:02 |
schestowitz | There are experiments into it | Oct 25 01:02 |
fewa | I have an apple alluminum and i really like it | Oct 25 01:02 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: radiates the food | Oct 25 01:02 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 01:02 |
fewa | sure they made a good buck, but its a decent keyboard | Oct 25 01:02 |
fewa | schestowitz, meh, hardly | Oct 25 01:02 |
schestowitz | It's good for lazy people who eat in McDonalds | Oct 25 01:03 |
fewa | microswaves are great | Oct 25 01:03 |
schestowitz | I no longer use my microwave | Oct 25 01:03 |
yuhong | I read a lot about the problems with microwaves on Dr. Mercola. | Oct 25 01:03 |
schestowitz | Same with cellphones | Oct 25 01:03 |
schestowitz | People love to ignore those issue | Oct 25 01:03 |
yuhong | Again, often mentioned on Mercola. | Oct 25 01:03 |
schestowitz | They are led to believe it's OK cause everyone else does it | Oct 25 01:03 |
fewa | cellphones is an issue | Oct 25 01:03 |
fewa | but microwaves, meh | Oct 25 01:03 |
schestowitz | Marie Currie found out another way | Oct 25 01:03 |
fewa | should be put in a better casing | Oct 25 01:03 |
cubezzz | lots of "buy it now" on ebay: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 32BIT Operating System for $130 | Oct 25 01:03 |
schestowitz | LOL | Oct 25 01:04 |
schestowitz | Any bids? | Oct 25 01:04 |
schestowitz | Nope | Oct 25 01:04 |
cubezzz | professional... ooooo :-P | Oct 25 01:04 |
schestowitz | Buy it NOW | Oct 25 01:04 |
schestowitz | Still in stock | Oct 25 01:04 |
schestowitz | How many? | Oct 25 01:04 |
cubezzz | I hate to think how bad normal edition would be | Oct 25 01:04 |
schestowitz | Starter is worse | Oct 25 01:04 |
yuhong | You know that you can heat a kitchen sponge in a microwave to kill bacteria. | Oct 25 01:05 |
fewa | cubezzz, http://www.cracked.com/blog/using-windows-7-may-lead-to-murder/ | Oct 25 01:05 |
cubezzz | there's over 12,000 auctions for windows 7 on ebay | Oct 25 01:05 |
schestowitz | "Acer and Intel, for example, are already complaining that Windows 7 Starter Edition simply won't sell." http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/archives/2009/05/is_microsoft_he.html | Oct 25 01:05 |
fewa | I saw it on the netbooks at bestbuy | Oct 25 01:05 |
yuhong | I know, they were forced to lift restrictions on Starter before release. | Oct 25 01:05 |
fewa | you cant change the background | Oct 25 01:05 |
yuhong | What is interesting is that some of them are not new. | Oct 25 01:05 |
yuhong | Remember XP starter and later Vista Starter? | Oct 25 01:05 |
fewa | ebay windows 7 http://www.cracked.com/blog/using-windows-7-may-lead-to-murder/ | Oct 25 01:05 |
cubezzz | I must contain my (non) enthusiasm | Oct 25 01:06 |
yuhong | Of course, that is outrigious. | Oct 25 01:06 |
fewa | its called market segmentation | Oct 25 01:06 |
fewa | it comes from the "business folk" | Oct 25 01:06 |
fewa | that currently run the company | Oct 25 01:06 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 01:06 |
yuhong | Intel has many examples too, Intel VT. | Oct 25 01:06 |
yuhong | For example. | Oct 25 01:06 |
cubezzz | for everyone's unjoyment.... windows 7 | Oct 25 01:07 |
yuhong | XP and Vista Starter were only available in developing nations. | Oct 25 01:07 |
fewa | AMD puts AMD-V on all their chips | Oct 25 01:07 |
fewa | takes out the bullshit | Oct 25 01:07 |
yuhong | Yep, nowadays even the new semprons have it. | Oct 25 01:07 |
fewa | "developing" | Oct 25 01:07 |
fewa | meaning shit poor | Oct 25 01:07 |
yuhong | Yep. | Oct 25 01:08 |
fewa | meaning, lets fuck with them | Oct 25 01:08 |
yuhong | Once there were the Pentium Pro which had built-in support for four CPUs. | Oct 25 01:08 |
fewa | Microsoft out-bidding Apple http://www.istartedsomething.com/20091024/windows-branded-laptop-30-rock/ | Oct 25 01:08 |
cubezzz | I think I remember dual cpu pentium pro but not 4 cpu | Oct 25 01:10 |
yuhong | Then Intel with the Pentium II segmented that into it's own Xeon series, limiting the ordinary version to two CPUs. | Oct 25 01:10 |
cubezzz | now it's time for multi-core ARM cpu :) | Oct 25 01:10 |
yuhong | Then Intel with the Pentium 4 go one step further and segment that into another Xeon series, again limiting the ordinary version to only one CPU. | Oct 25 01:11 |
fewa | cubezzz, yes im waiting | Oct 25 01:11 |
yuhong | Initially the Xeon series was called Pentium II/III Xeon. | Oct 25 01:11 |
fewa | freescale was suppose to have a arm netbook out this christmas | Oct 25 01:11 |
yuhong | Then with the P4 they called it Xeon DP/MP (DP for two, MP for four). | Oct 25 01:12 |
yuhong | Later they renamed DP to Xeon 5000 series, MP to Seon 7000 series. | Oct 25 01:12 |
yuhong | And then they added a one CPU version called Xeon 3000 series. | Oct 25 01:12 |
yuhong | I have an Abit BP6 motherboards that could run dual Celerons, even though Intel always officially limit that to one CPU. | Oct 25 01:13 |
fewa | AMD is better | Oct 25 01:14 |
yuhong | AMD? Well, Athlons had built-in SMP support from the beginning, but it was not until June 2001 that AMD released the 760MP chipset. | Oct 25 01:15 |
fewa | idk | Oct 25 01:15 |
fewa | i just have always used AMD | Oct 25 01:15 |
fewa | cheaper in the consumer market | Oct 25 01:15 |
fewa | and no VT bs | Oct 25 01:15 |
yuhong | When that were released, AMD decided to segment into Athlon XP/MP series. | Oct 25 01:15 |
cubezzz | always? | Oct 25 01:16 |
yuhong | Then with the Opteron, they decided to segment into 1xx/2xx/8xx series, the first digit indicate the max CPUs. | Oct 25 01:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Twists in the #SCO Case: #AutoZone Settlement and More http://ping.fm/k6u6L | Oct 25 01:17 | |
yuhong | Anyway, sometime Windows problems are MS's fault, sometimes not. | Oct 25 01:18 |
cubezzz | I think I remember AMD 386 | Oct 25 01:18 |
yuhong | The only way to determine is to debug the problem properly, and I has been recently learning a lot about WIndows debugging. | Oct 25 01:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Launch Said to Have Failed http://ping.fm/DPaRd #microsoft #windows #vista #xp windows 7 | Oct 25 01:19 | |
cubezzz | ok, they go back all the way to 8080 | Oct 25 01:19 |
cubezzz | so yes, it was always possible to buy AMD cpu | Oct 25 01:19 |
yuhong | Yep, AMD was an Intel second-source. | Oct 25 01:19 |
yuhong | But Intel want to abandon this with the 386. | Oct 25 01:19 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows 7 dropped off the trends on Twitter already? Oh dear. #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #fail | Oct 25 01:20 | |
schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1707 | Oct 25 01:20 |
schestowitz | "the limitations built into Microsoft’s development stack show it to be a dead end that will leave Microsoft marketing magnificent visions of its unfolding future while quietly figuring out how and when to abandon that code base for something else - and because that something could very logically be Linux it might be time for the Linux community to start paying a lot more attention to legacy interoperability with Windows." | Oct 25 01:20 |
yuhong | And lawsuits soon begin to erupt between Intel and AMD. | Oct 25 01:20 |
schestowitz | And that's from SCO/MicroTurf Murphy | Oct 25 01:20 |
schestowitz | yuhong: nope | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | Intel's is reactionary | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | AMD shows Intel crimes | Oct 25 01:21 |
cubezzz | lawsuits seem way to common | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | Convictions come from several countries | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | And Intel plays victims | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | *victim | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | But counter-suing | Oct 25 01:21 |
yuhong | Yep, I know. | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | Very Microsoft-like behaviour | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | "Apple is evil, TOO" | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | "Google reads your mail" | Oct 25 01:21 |
cubezzz | well, who should we buy from then? | Oct 25 01:22 |
yuhong | I know! | Oct 25 01:22 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 01:22 |
cubezzz | I always assume everyone can read my emails | Oct 25 01:22 |
yuhong | Even Google is not prefect, but it is definitely better than MS. | Oct 25 01:22 |
yuhong | No company is perfect, you know. | Oct 25 01:22 |
cubezzz | ok, I buy ARM for now :) | Oct 25 01:23 |
yuhong | ARM, I know that too. | Oct 25 01:23 |
yuhong | In fact, no one is perfect. | Oct 25 01:23 |
cubezzz | of course, but.... | Oct 25 01:24 |
cubezzz | some are really REALLY not perfect :) | Oct 25 01:24 |
yuhong | Like MS. | Oct 25 01:24 |
yuhong | And these are the ones that deserve special attension. | Oct 25 01:24 |
cubezzz | ARM has low power use which is nice to have | Oct 25 01:25 |
cubezzz | I've been using ARM in my router too | Oct 25 01:26 |
cubezzz | and zaurus | Oct 25 01:26 |
fewa | http://i.imgur.com/WSfAi.jpg | Oct 25 01:26 |
yuhong | And on MS financial results, I think the CodeWeavers press release should be reviewd again. | Oct 25 01:27 |
fewa | yes | Oct 25 01:29 |
fewa | http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20090724/ | Oct 25 01:30 |
yuhong | Apple already is showing anti-7 ads: | Oct 25 01:31 |
yuhong | http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/10/23/windows-7-parade-dampened-by-new-apple-ads/ | Oct 25 01:31 |
_Goblin | wheres the Windows 7 parties showcase? | Oct 25 01:31 |
_Goblin | I was looking forward to seeing them.. | Oct 25 01:31 |
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DaemonFC | I've been cleaning my apartment since I haven't been able to until now, I had already been putting it off for about a month before all this happened, now I haven't been able to for nearly a month | Oct 25 01:36 |
DaemonFC | I've got about 5 hours in on it between last night and tonight and I'm maybe 40% done | Oct 25 01:36 |
DaemonFC | I spent 3 hours on the bathroom last night and 2 hours doing my bedroom and the hallway tonight, I still have the living room and the kitchen and I'm not looking forward to those | Oct 25 01:37 |
yuhong | I am trying to dig up an article where there are videos of problems with Windows 7. | Oct 25 01:43 |
yuhong | This one: | Oct 25 01:44 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/23/vista-7-videos-rants/ | Oct 25 01:44 |
_Goblin | Give it time...there will be many... | Oct 25 01:44 |
_Goblin | "If you build it, they will come" | Oct 25 01:44 |
yuhong | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id2EsdTMggo | Oct 25 01:45 |
yuhong | Beta, not RTM through. | Oct 25 01:45 |
_Goblin | my favorite Vista one was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno | Oct 25 01:46 |
yuhong | I am not really an expert on how this part of 7 works. | Oct 25 01:46 |
fewa | yuhong, yeah i remember that one | Oct 25 01:46 |
fewa | vista one | Oct 25 01:46 |
fewa | vista hardware compatibility is atrocious | Oct 25 01:47 |
fewa | linux is better | Oct 25 01:47 |
yuhong | I know, I dug two hardware from garbage that did not have specific Vista drivers. | Oct 25 01:47 |
yuhong | One was a printer, but XP driver may have worked, did not try through. | Oct 25 01:48 |
yuhong | Another is a Handspring Visor, I tried the XP software on Vista and it did not work at all. | Oct 25 01:48 |
yuhong | And I know why, it relates to the timing of the Vista hardware detection, which is different from XP. | Oct 25 01:49 |
yuhong | To illustrate this difference, I suggest plugging a USB device into a Vista and XP computer that has no drivers, then initiate the driver search and installation using Found New Hardware on both, then unplug the device. | Oct 25 01:51 |
Xarver | yuhong: the last video shows him going into a Crack folder xD | Oct 25 01:51 |
fewa | then plug it into Linux | Oct 25 01:51 |
fewa | and...it...just...works | Oct 25 01:51 |
yuhong | Behavior of this is different between Vista and XP. | Oct 25 01:51 |
DaemonFC | fewa, I've never had a problem getting a device to work in Vista | Oct 25 01:51 |
yuhong | Vista will stop the driver installation, while XP won't. | Oct 25 01:52 |
DaemonFC | fewa, For the most part, you can use any WDM certified drivers on any Windows release between 2000-7 | Oct 25 01:52 |
fewa | not for 64-bit | Oct 25 01:52 |
DaemonFC | the display driver model changed in Vista and again in 7 though | Oct 25 01:52 |
yuhong | And the version of HotSync on the old Palm Visor relied on the XP behavior. | Oct 25 01:52 |
DaemonFC | XP display drivers work in Vista or 7 but you are limited to DirectX 9 and no Aero | Oct 25 01:53 |
DaemonFC | fewa, You can use Vista and 7 64-bit drivers in XP x64 | Oct 25 01:53 |
Xarver | schestowitz: I can't wait for Mandriva 2010 :) | Oct 25 01:53 |
DaemonFC | anyway, I've never had a problem | Oct 25 01:53 |
yuhong | In case you didn't see it, the Visor after a time-out automatically unplug the device. | Oct 25 01:53 |
DaemonFC | well, I take it back, Windows XP x64 wouldn't recognize my Sansa Fuze until I got the bright idea to just tell it it was an external hard drive :P | Oct 25 01:54 |
yuhong | But not the opposite because Vista x64 requires driver signing, while XP x64 did not. | Oct 25 01:54 |
fewa | <yuhong> But not the opposite because Vista x64 requires driver signing, while XP x64 did not. | Oct 25 01:54 |
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fewa | more anti-features | Oct 25 01:54 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 01:55 |
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yuhong | That driver signing do not require WHQL certification. | Oct 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | <fewa> more anti-features | Oct 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | <yuhong> I know. | Oct 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | Pasted too much in #boycottnovell-social | Oct 25 01:55 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, really just depends on if you care | Oct 25 01:55 |
DaemonFC | I'd rather use Truecrypt than EFS or Bitlocker anyway | Oct 25 01:56 |
DaemonFC | much better | Oct 25 01:56 |
Xarver | schestowitz: you waiting for mandriva 2010? | Oct 25 01:56 |
yuhong | I was arguing about Vista's support for DRM on Blu-Ray once. | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | Xarver: we'll see. | Oct 25 01:56 |
DaemonFC | yuhong, No different than a Blu Ray player | Oct 25 01:56 |
DaemonFC | AnyDVD HD can bypass it | Oct 25 01:57 |
Xarver | schestowitz: The wallpaper for One is nice. | Oct 25 01:57 |
yuhong | And oiaohm argued that graphic card deencryption could solve this problem, but would MS really want to limit Windows to this. | Oct 25 01:57 |
schestowitz | Wallpaper is no reason to choose $distro | Oct 25 01:57 |
yuhong | Of course now. | Oct 25 01:58 |
yuhong | Of course not. | Oct 25 01:58 |
DaemonFC | yuhong, Just like how Windows Media Player supports User Prohibited Operations on DVDs | Oct 25 01:58 |
DaemonFC | just use VLC | Oct 25 01:58 |
yuhong | Yep, I know about that too. | Oct 25 01:58 |
Xarver | schestowitz: I know but I was just stating it was nice. | Oct 25 01:58 |
DaemonFC | The DRM isn't really "built in", it's just what Windows applications do by default | Oct 25 01:59 |
DaemonFC | it still lets you use other software that doesn't obey the DRM flagging | Oct 25 01:59 |
yuhong | I know about the DVD. | Oct 25 01:59 |
yuhong | I know about the DVD cracking and flagging. | Oct 25 02:00 |
yuhong | Anyway, I am going to watch a video. | Oct 25 02:00 |
yuhong | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzB_kzR_CI | Oct 25 02:00 |
yuhong | Looks like they were doing DRM cracking. | Oct 25 02:02 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC is always cracking DRM | Oct 25 02:03 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, The "DRM" in Windows is pretty lame and easy to bypass | Oct 25 02:03 |
yuhong | And it ended up crashing. | Oct 25 02:03 |
DaemonFC | it would be like every player coming with a built in burner and a button to turn off all their DRM | Oct 25 02:03 |
DaemonFC | just having it always provides fuel for anti-Windows/anti-Microsoft people though | Oct 25 02:04 |
DaemonFC | even though Linux can't usually even play the discs at all | Oct 25 02:04 |
yuhong | Unlikely to be Windows's fault. | Oct 25 02:04 |
DaemonFC | much less rip or copy them | Oct 25 02:04 |
DaemonFC | if you do follow like this really convoluted how to guide on Ubuntu's website, which is still illegal, you might be able to play some of your discs | Oct 25 02:05 |
DaemonFC | it's not exactly a motivator to go out and buy nice fancy new hardware | Oct 25 02:05 |
yuhong | I know. | Oct 25 02:06 |
yuhong | DaemonFC: Some old IRC logs: | Oct 25 02:06 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/irc-log-22092009.html | Oct 25 02:06 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/irc-log-16092009.html | Oct 25 02:07 |
DaemonFC | when there's some way that I can play every Blu Ray movie on Linux, rip or duplicate any of them, etc., please wake me up | Oct 25 02:07 |
yuhong | Yep, that is part of my point. | Oct 25 02:07 |
DaemonFC | obviously I don't care if it's legal or not, the fact is that I can't do that now in any event | Oct 25 02:07 |
yuhong | "I am wondering if we should not blame the OS vendors for DRM "anti-features", blaming Hollywood instead for demanding them." | Oct 25 02:08 |
DaemonFC | I need a Windows PC or a Mac which supposedly have all this DRM there to stop me, to rip a movie disc that Linux is not technically able to play | Oct 25 02:08 |
DaemonFC | do you see the irony? | Oct 25 02:08 |
yuhong | "I mean, if Linux was to add support for Blu-Ray, these same DRM anti-features would be needed to be added to Linux as well." | Oct 25 02:08 |
DaemonFC | they can put a cork in the Windows 7 Sins thing til that isn't the case | Oct 25 02:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Uses #IDG to Promote #Mono http://ping.fm/qbu6P | Oct 25 02:09 | |
yuhong | Exactly. | Oct 25 02:09 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: #Government of #Kerala on Track with #FreeSoftware , #SanFrancisco Awakens http://ur1.ca/ecpa http://ur1.ca/ecpb | Oct 25 02:09 | |
DaemonFC | Windows or Mac DRM amount to a tenth of a hill of beans, a minor nuisance requiring you to find other software | Oct 25 02:09 |
DaemonFC | I don't even remember the last time I used Windows Media Player or IE other than to gawk at them or cause there was this one site in ten thousand that somehow messes up Firefox that I need to print something from | Oct 25 02:10 |
yuhong | And on protected processes, yep my favorite example is Mac OS X's PT_DENY_ATTACH being easily patched out because the source code for the kernel is available. | Oct 25 02:11 |
DaemonFC | yuhong, I only opened and used Windows Media Player 12, IE 8, etc. cause of morbid curiousity | Oct 25 02:11 |
DaemonFC | yuhong, Or how about getting it to boot on a PC cause most of the OS is open source | Oct 25 02:12 |
DaemonFC | :P | Oct 25 02:12 |
DaemonFC | there's some patched kernels out there that add proper AMD processor support and everything | Oct 25 02:12 |
yuhong | I know that too. | Oct 25 02:12 |
DaemonFC | it's pretty wicked what these community hack jobs have managed to do | Oct 25 02:13 |
yuhong | Apple initially did not even release the source code for the first 32-bit only Intel version of Mac OS X. | Oct 25 02:13 |
yuhong | Apple initially did not even release the source code for the kernel of the first 32-bit only Intel version of Mac OS X. | Oct 25 02:13 |
DaemonFC | I ran Snow Leopard on my old Core 2 Duo PC | Oct 25 02:13 |
DaemonFC | it's not awful, but I wouldn't see why I'd buy a $2,000 Mac to get it | Oct 25 02:14 |
DaemonFC | you have to get a $2,000 Mac to get hardware as good as you'll find on a $1,000 PC | Oct 25 02:14 |
yuhong | They only released xnu source after they added 64-bit Intel support with the Mac Pro. | Oct 25 02:14 |
DaemonFC | but the OS upgrades are only $30, let's just talk about that ;) | Oct 25 02:14 |
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yuhong | Yep, after years of $130 Mac OS X upgrades, Apple priced Snow Leopard at only $30 for Leopard users. | Oct 25 02:15 |
DaemonFC | yuhong, Reminds me of when Microsoft had those $30 promo step-ups | Oct 25 02:15 |
DaemonFC | 98 to 98SE or 98 to Me | Oct 25 02:15 |
Xarver | Funny it's less secure than 7. But since it has lower market share it's safe. | Oct 25 02:16 |
DaemonFC | Xarver, OS X is comically insecure | Oct 25 02:16 |
Xarver | :p | Oct 25 02:16 |
yuhong | I know, classic Mac OS is like that too. | Oct 25 02:16 |
DaemonFC | and vulnerabilities stay unpatched for almost a year sometimes after disclosure | Oct 25 02:16 |
schestowitz | load average: 10.32, 7.78, 4.32 | Oct 25 02:16 |
schestowitz | Xarver: mandriva always has nice looks | Oct 25 02:17 |
yuhong | I know, Apple smeared security researchers like MS once did. | Oct 25 02:17 |
schestowitz | *default* looks | Oct 25 02:17 |
Xarver | schestowitz: I don't like laOra though :\ | Oct 25 02:17 |
yuhong | 9x and classic Mac OS has less services running than NT and Mac OS X. | Oct 25 02:17 |
schestowitz | Who's Laura? :-) | Oct 25 02:18 |
DaemonFC | Xarver, I'm still in the Microsoft Security Essentials beta program | Oct 25 02:18 |
schestowitz | Bush? | Oct 25 02:18 |
DaemonFC | I get builds a couple weeks before they're publically released | Oct 25 02:18 |
Xarver | I'm sorry for you DaemonFC | Oct 25 02:18 |
DaemonFC | but I had to sign an NDA so I'm not allowed to say anything beyond that | Oct 25 02:18 |
Xarver | schestowitz: Mandriva's default theme | Oct 25 02:18 |
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schestowitz | Expires on: 18-Nov-09 | Oct 25 02:20 |
schestowitz | Last Updated on: 30-Nov-08 | Oct 25 02:20 |
schestowitz | Domain Name: MOBLINZONE.COM | Oct 25 02:20 |
schestowitz | Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. | Oct 25 02:20 |
schestowitz | Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com | Oct 25 02:20 |
schestowitz | Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com | Oct 25 02:20 |
schestowitz | Why are they hiding? | Oct 25 02:20 |
schestowitz | It this an Intel boosting site? | Oct 25 02:21 |
DaemonFC | Xarver, It's pretty good actually | Oct 25 02:21 |
schestowitz | I've always wondered if it's an Intel-owned site | Oct 25 02:21 |
schestowitz | Seems likely | Oct 25 02:21 |
DaemonFC | I use it to disinfect other people's PCs | Oct 25 02:21 |
yuhong | On MSE, Woody once critised OneCare. | Oct 25 02:21 |
DaemonFC | it finds all kinds of things that others don't seem to | Oct 25 02:21 |
schestowitz | http://moblinzone.com/partners | Oct 25 02:21 |
schestowitz | It doesn't say who owns the site though | Oct 25 02:21 |
yuhong | Calling it payola, but they like MSE because it is free. | Oct 25 02:22 |
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fewa | look Intel | Oct 25 02:26 |
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cubezzz | wow, another SCO story | Oct 25 02:34 |
cubezzz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/14973/sco_thrashes_on | Oct 25 02:34 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, I wrote about that | Oct 25 02:37 |
DaemonFC | for some reason, Windows 7 takes a lot longer to sleep on this machine than Vista, but it resumes twice as fast | Oct 25 02:38 |
DaemonFC | :P | Oct 25 02:38 |
DaemonFC | http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/top50windows/Vista_Capable.png | Oct 25 02:39 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, You should like that one | Oct 25 02:39 |
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cubezzz | it's not hard to make fun of Ballmer | Oct 25 02:41 |
Xarver | lol | Oct 25 02:41 |
_Hicham_ | is ballmer very rich ? | Oct 25 02:41 |
cubezzz | 10 billion I believe | Oct 25 02:41 |
Xarver | I would expect he would be. | Oct 25 02:41 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, 15 billion actually | Oct 25 02:42 |
DaemonFC | still, yes, very | Oct 25 02:42 |
_Hicham_ | wow, pretty huge | Oct 25 02:42 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC wishes he was him | Oct 25 02:42 |
cubezzz | no hair, fat? :) | Oct 25 02:42 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, A fat pig that's over twice as old as I am, losing his hair, and has heart problems | Oct 25 02:42 |
Xarver | Lol. | Oct 25 02:42 |
DaemonFC | no thank you | Oct 25 02:43 |
DaemonFC | I would take the $15 billion though | Oct 25 02:43 |
Xarver | heh | Oct 25 02:43 |
_Hicham_ | what would u do with this money ? | Oct 25 02:43 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Buy all the undergarments in the world and burn them | Oct 25 02:43 |
DaemonFC | followed by pants | Oct 25 02:43 |
cubezzz | don't forget sweaty | Oct 25 02:43 |
Xarver | Donate a hefty amount to gnome and other open source projects. | Oct 25 02:43 |
DaemonFC | Windows 7 is back in the XP performance ballpark anyway | Oct 25 02:44 |
Xarver | windows 7 is a RAM hog | Oct 25 02:44 |
cubezzz | so is XP | Oct 25 02:44 |
_Hicham_ | haven't used Windows 7 yet | Oct 25 02:44 |
DaemonFC | Xarver, It's about even with XP for me | Oct 25 02:44 |
Xarver | http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/22381-512mb-ram-performance-comparison-windows-7-vs-vista-vs-xp/ | Oct 25 02:45 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : still trying to clean Windows XP from Internet Explorer and stuff ? | Oct 25 02:45 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, That's easy to do with nLite | Oct 25 02:45 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : did u make sure that it deletes mshtml.dll ? | Oct 25 02:46 |
DaemonFC | that's called "Internet Explorer Core" | Oct 25 02:47 |
DaemonFC | you can bag that but it may anger a lot of other programs that expect it to be there | Oct 25 02:47 |
DaemonFC | but it would obviously clean up a lot of security bugs | Oct 25 02:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My take on: #Chinese and #Latvian Governments Promote Free(dom) Software and #GNU #Linux http://ping.fm/if8mj | Oct 25 02:48 | |
cubezzz | DaemonFC, I can't find any references for Ballmer's heart problems | Oct 25 02:48 |
_Hicham_ | have u ever used Windows Trust ? | Oct 25 02:48 |
cubezzz | are you speculating or...? | Oct 25 02:48 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: cause he has no heart | Oct 25 02:48 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, I remember reading it somewhere | Oct 25 02:48 |
DaemonFC | maybe I'm thinking of Dick Cheney | Oct 25 02:48 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Oct 25 02:49 |
schestowitz | Wrng Fester | Oct 25 02:49 |
schestowitz | *Wrong | Oct 25 02:49 |
cubezzz | he certainly doesn't look to be in good shape | Oct 25 02:49 |
_Hicham_ | Dick Cheney .... hahahaha | Oct 25 02:49 |
schestowitz | He needed to lose weight | Oct 25 02:49 |
_Hicham_ | americans have some strange names | Oct 25 02:49 |
cubezzz | like Spiro Agnew? :) | Oct 25 02:50 |
schestowitz | Windows 7 Getting Over-Hyped http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/windows-7-getting-over-hyped/ | Oct 25 02:50 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, You refer to Dick? | Oct 25 02:50 |
cubezzz | wow, even Dvorak thinks so | Oct 25 02:50 |
DaemonFC | nickname for "Richard" of course | Oct 25 02:50 |
DaemonFC | it's more fun calling him Dick though | Oct 25 02:50 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : yes | Oct 25 02:51 |
DaemonFC | I had a psychiatrist years ago names Richard that I would show my contempt for with that | Oct 25 02:51 |
DaemonFC | "Sure thing, Dick" | Oct 25 02:51 |
DaemonFC | "Whatever you say, Dick" | Oct 25 02:51 |
schestowitz | Neocon | Oct 25 02:52 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, The Neocon is a dying breed | Oct 25 02:52 |
schestowitz | Not yet | Oct 25 02:52 |
DaemonFC | they're few, they're loud mouthed | Oct 25 02:52 |
schestowitz | BTW, did you watch that documentary? | Oct 25 02:52 |
DaemonFC | but they are a cohesive voting block | Oct 25 02:52 |
DaemonFC | that's why they should be feared | Oct 25 02:52 |
schestowitz | Strauss' thesis | Oct 25 02:52 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, part of it | Oct 25 02:53 |
fewa | ehats the docudrama? | Oct 25 02:53 |
_Hicham_ | good night all | Oct 25 02:53 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, For me, voting more or less consists of going in there, waiting 20 minutes or so, and pushing a button that submits a vote for all Democrats on the ballot | Oct 25 02:53 |
DaemonFC | then leaving | Oct 25 02:53 |
DaemonFC | but there have been a couple elections where that was not the case | Oct 25 02:54 |
fewa | some times the "Republican"s are more liberal than the "Democrats" | Oct 25 02:54 |
DaemonFC | sometimes you get a Republican running against a Libertarian, I'll usually go for the Libertarian as a protest vote | Oct 25 02:54 |
DaemonFC | Dick Lugar is the only Republican I've ever voted for | Oct 25 02:55 |
fewa | yeah you live in a differnt type of place | Oct 25 02:55 |
fewa | here you can get Dem v Dem | Oct 25 02:55 |
DaemonFC | fewa, not really | Oct 25 02:55 |
fewa | progressive Dem v plain Dem | Oct 25 02:55 |
fewa | <fewa> here | Oct 25 02:55 |
DaemonFC | re: The liberal Republicans | Oct 25 02:55 |
fewa | not IN | Oct 25 02:55 |
DaemonFC | the closest there is to that is a centrist Republican | Oct 25 02:55 |
DaemonFC | there are a few | Oct 25 02:55 |
fewa | Arlen Spector | Oct 25 02:56 |
fewa | Federal politics have moved so far right that he had to switch parties | Oct 25 02:56 |
DaemonFC | Arlen Spector is just a total coward | Oct 25 02:56 |
DaemonFC | fewa, No, he just figured he'd lose the primary if he ran as a Republican | Oct 25 02:56 |
DaemonFC | now he gets to lose the primary as a Democrat, I hope | Oct 25 02:56 |
fewa | he pushed for Campaign FInance reform | Oct 25 02:57 |
DaemonFC | we need a real Progressive Democrat in that seat, fewa | Oct 25 02:57 |
fewa | i guess that is bipartisan | Oct 25 02:57 |
DaemonFC | not some wolf in sheep's clothing | Oct 25 02:57 |
fewa | but yes | Oct 25 02:57 |
fewa | there are not enough progressives | Oct 25 02:57 |
fewa | lots of "dems" are not Dems | Oct 25 02:57 |
fewa | eg Liberman | Oct 25 02:57 |
fewa | http://liebermanmustgo.com/ | Oct 25 02:58 |
DaemonFC | fewa, You mean Judas Liebermann? | Oct 25 02:58 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 25 02:58 |
fewa | but Dem doesn't mean much | Oct 25 02:58 |
DaemonFC | I really hate him, he is the definition of "douche" | Oct 25 02:58 |
DaemonFC | a spineless douche at that | Oct 25 02:58 |
fewa | see the end of that vid | Oct 25 02:58 |
fewa | or maybe the second | Oct 25 02:59 |
fewa | on the daily show | Oct 25 02:59 |
DaemonFC | fewa, Bernie Sanders | Oct 25 02:59 |
DaemonFC | we could use a few more of him | Oct 25 02:59 |
fewa | he isn't a dem | Oct 25 03:00 |
fewa | the dems wont put their name on him | Oct 25 03:00 |
fewa | they just wont run against him | Oct 25 03:00 |
fewa | "Dem" is essentially an elite group that tries to sheep politics | Oct 25 03:00 |
fewa | "Rep" are all sheep to those types | Oct 25 03:00 |
fewa | progressives, thats what we need | Oct 25 03:01 |
fewa | and to hold Dems on their promises | Oct 25 03:01 |
fewa | EFCA for example | Oct 25 03:01 |
fewa | it should pass | Oct 25 03:01 |
fewa | this is the time | Oct 25 03:01 |
fewa | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-13-2007/iraq-me-dave-petraeus---senate | Oct 25 03:06 |
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cubezzz | wow. the Toronto Maple Leafs lost, Toronto FC lost, Toronto Raptors lost, and Toronto Argonauts lost | Oct 25 03:16 |
cubezzz | I expect the leafs to lose, but not everyone else | Oct 25 03:17 |
fewa | Im sick of this bs http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/24/796267/-Mac-vs.-PC-meets-Dems-vs.-GOP | Oct 25 03:20 |
fewa | they have 60 votes | Oct 25 03:20 |
fewa | http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090831/geoghegan | Oct 25 03:20 |
fewa | they only need 51 | Oct 25 03:20 |
fewa | they need to do something | Oct 25 03:21 |
fewa | need to actually say what their ideas are | Oct 25 03:21 |
fewa | pass healthcare | Oct 25 03:21 |
fewa | pass EFCA, actually banking reform (they hacn't done shit) | Oct 25 03:21 |
DaemonFC | fewa, EFCA and ENDA should both pass | Oct 25 03:29 |
fewa | ENDA? | Oct 25 03:29 |
fewa | Internet freedom preservation act | Oct 25 03:29 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act | Oct 25 03:29 |
DaemonFC | fewa, there you go | Oct 25 03:29 |
fewa | HR 676 needs to get on the table | Oct 25 03:30 |
fewa | its the press that is holding that back | Oct 25 03:30 |
DaemonFC | fewa, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Transparency_Act | Oct 25 03:31 |
DaemonFC | that needs to pass too | Oct 25 03:31 |
fewa | yes | Oct 25 03:31 |
fewa | Obama is probably against it | Oct 25 03:32 |
DaemonFC | fewa, The institution that controls our money supply should not be allowed to do it behind closed doors | Oct 25 03:32 |
DaemonFC | I don't even think that a non-governmental institution should be allowed to | Oct 25 03:32 |
fewa | DaemonFC, www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB | Oct 25 03:33 |
DaemonFC | I would strongly support shutting down the Federal Reserve and transferring their "authority" to the US Treasury where it belongs | Oct 25 03:33 |
fewa | and it needs to be made clear that congres must sign off on certain levels | Oct 25 03:34 |
DaemonFC | fewa, The Federal Reserve answers to nobody | Oct 25 03:34 |
DaemonFC | no matter who we elect, it doesn't effect them at all | Oct 25 03:34 |
schestowitz | [02:53] <fewa> ehats the docudrama? | Oct 25 03:34 |
fewa | or even congress passing the base rate | Oct 25 03:34 |
schestowitz | Power if Nightmares | Oct 25 03:34 |
schestowitz | *of | Oct 25 03:35 |
fewa | http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-604 | Oct 25 03:35 |
fewa | http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1207 | Oct 25 03:36 |
fewa | can already pass in house | Oct 25 03:36 |
fewa | just need to pass it in house right now | Oct 25 03:36 |
fewa | and then get a vote in the senate | Oct 25 03:36 |
schestowitz | fewa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9cJEnJNYCE&feature=related | Oct 25 03:36 |
fewa | force them to do a vote on it | Oct 25 03:36 |
fewa | need to do the same on EFCA | Oct 25 03:36 |
fewa | ill download from archive.org | Oct 25 03:37 |
fewa | http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares | Oct 25 03:37 |
fewa | so elitist | Oct 25 03:38 |
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Will | schestowitz: http://ever-increasing-entropy.blogspot.com/2009/10/amazing-coincidence-or-something-more.html | Oct 25 03:39 |
fewa | wasn't victorian superiority similar? | Oct 25 03:39 |
Will | Might be worth looking into. Looks like HP might have killed off their Linux netbook on the day Win7 released. | Oct 25 03:40 |
fewa | Will, yes they did | Oct 25 03:41 |
fewa | few days before | Oct 25 03:41 |
Will | fewa: probably going to put Kubuntu 9.10 on my laptop soon. I want to see how long until someone mistakes it for Windows 7. | Oct 25 03:43 |
fewa | get the W7 background | Oct 25 03:43 |
fewa | with the logo | Oct 25 03:43 |
Will | fewa: see, I'd thought about that, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea. If I do that, they just assume I'm running Win7 and leave it at that. If I keep it mostly stock KDE 4, they see something that looks close, but not quite. | Oct 25 03:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GatesKeepers to Keep Track of #GatesFoundation http://ping.fm/tsvBO | Oct 25 03:46 | |
Will | with some customizations that Win7 can't do, of course. | Oct 25 03:46 |
schestowitz | Will: yes, I put this link in earlier post | Oct 25 03:46 |
schestowitz | Not sure what to say\ | Oct 25 03:46 |
Will | ok. must have missed it | Oct 25 03:47 |
schestowitz | They didn't kill it | Oct 25 03:47 |
schestowitz | They would not | Oct 25 03:47 |
schestowitz | HP is worried about their distro, too | Oct 25 03:47 |
schestowitz | They just did the marketing thing | Oct 25 03:47 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/leaked-oem-vista-ad-incentives/ | Oct 25 03:48 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/12/tesco-lies-for-ms-cash/ | Oct 25 03:48 |
schestowitz | Let the Vole blow another $500 , 000 , 000 on marketing the rebadged VIsta | Oct 25 03:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #Israel threatens diplomatic relations if countries broadcast a film about Us-Palestine relations http://ur1.ca/edgw #freespeech | Oct 25 03:50 | |
Will | It's not been like the 95 launch, that's for sure. | Oct 25 03:50 |
Xarver | schestowitz: BoycottNovell.com isn't loading for me. | Oct 25 03:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #Israel threatens diplomatic relations if countries broadcast a film about US-Israel-Palestine relations http://ur1.ca/edgw #freespeech | Oct 25 03:52 | |
Xarver | ok it loaded. | Oct 25 03:52 |
Xarver | schestowitz: A Linux company should make graphics that say "We don't recommend Windows." | Oct 25 03:54 |
fewa | nah, thats too negative | Oct 25 03:56 |
fewa | should just similar graphics | Oct 25 03:56 |
fewa | and say recommends Linux | Oct 25 03:56 |
Will | Xarver: banks have already said it, though perhaps they could stand to say it a bit louder. | Oct 25 03:56 |
fewa | or some distro | Oct 25 03:56 |
Xarver | :P | Oct 25 03:56 |
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DaemonFC | fewa, Aero on Windows 7 is using DirectX 10.1 now | Oct 25 03:59 |
DaemonFC | it'll work on old DirectX 9 cards though through some kind of extrapolation mechanism that Microsoft is calling 10 Level 9 | Oct 25 03:59 |
schestowitz | Xarver: it can take a long time | Oct 25 04:03 |
schestowitz | The comment system clogs things up | Oct 25 04:03 |
Xarver | :\ | Oct 25 04:03 |
Xarver | Iww Microsoft DaemonFC | Oct 25 04:05 |
Xarver | :P | Oct 25 04:05 |
schestowitz | gn | Oct 25 04:10 |
Xarver | gn | Oct 25 04:20 |
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willimm | hey | Oct 25 04:24 |
Xarver | hi willimm | Oct 25 04:27 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] LOL http://amosdesigns.net/?p=42 #firefox | Oct 25 06:06 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Ralph Nader on Al Jazeera about #bailout #AIG to-big-to-fail leaked plan http://ur1.ca/edqg http://www.mediafire.com/?kmyj1nzjmyt | Oct 25 08:29 | |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XedDoYD_YGY creapy shit | Oct 25 09:28 |
schestowitz | Hey | Oct 25 09:44 |
schestowitz | I'll watch it later | Oct 25 09:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @glynmoody ChangeTracker – keeping an eye on US Government websites - http://ur1.ca/edtd clever: we need more of these #ogov | Oct 25 09:51 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting ready for #oggcamp . Quite scary. | Oct 25 10:10 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT: @prajna: RT @yarapavan: Fedena -- an #opensource school management system, built in India, using Ruby on Rails. http://fedena.com/ | Oct 25 10:59 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OEM Documents Which #Microsoft Labels “MICROSOFT SECRET” http://ping.fm/vx44D | Oct 25 11:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Listening to @andysc talk about his twittering house. fantastic stuff | Oct 25 11:34 | |
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DavidGerard | oh dear Lord. Have you seen this? The actual photos of the Windows 7 burger. | Oct 25 11:43 |
DavidGerard | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/10/23/the-real-life-burger-king-windows-7-whopper-is-a-disgusting-joke-to-humanity/ | Oct 25 11:43 |
DavidGerard | yeah, that won't make people associate win7 and LARD. | Oct 25 11:43 |
DavidGerard | as soon as you touch it, it starts exuding grease and fat http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/10/23/the-real-life-burger-king-windows-7-whopper-is-a-disgusting-joke-to-humanity/8-2/ | Oct 25 11:44 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] windows 7 burger. ya rly. http://is.gd/4AH4Y the moment you touch windows 7, it starts dripping grease and LARD http://is.gd/4AH7O | Oct 25 11:47 | |
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Diablo-D3 | heh | Oct 25 11:53 |
Diablo-D3 | DavidGerard: you should get on identica | Oct 25 11:53 |
schestowitz | LOL | Oct 25 11:54 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11433&tag=content;col1 | Oct 25 11:54 |
schestowitz | They simply renamed it (and changed a few icons and splash screens)!! | Oct 25 11:54 |
schestowitz | Windows 7, I HATE IT ALREADY!!!! | Oct 25 11:54 |
schestowitz | from: "Vista's NOT dead!!" | Oct 25 11:54 |
schestowitz | ^^^that's a quote BTW | Oct 25 11:55 |
DavidGerard | Diablo-D3: probably. but that might require e.g. bothering. | Oct 25 11:55 |
schestowitz | DavidGerard: wrong marketing message for Microsoft | Oct 25 11:56 |
DavidGerard | i think someone slipped up. (slipped in the GREASE.) associating windows 7 with lard is, uh, not the best move. | Oct 25 11:56 |
Diablo-D3 | btw, schestowitz | Oct 25 11:56 |
Diablo-D3 | 7 really is a vista sp | Oct 25 11:56 |
schestowitz | It drips "FAT" | Oct 25 11:56 |
schestowitz | I thought Vista 7 was supposed to whisper "light" | Oct 25 11:56 |
Diablo-D3 | DavidGerard: the funny part is, apparently you can buy these in texas in many BKs | Oct 25 11:56 |
schestowitz | What's next? The VIsta 7 HUMMER? | Oct 25 11:56 |
schestowitz | Edsel.... | Oct 25 11:56 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it's more than an SP | Oct 25 11:57 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no its not | Oct 25 11:57 |
schestowitz | In 2007 Allchin apparently said that he made a mistake | Oct 25 11:57 |
Diablo-D3 | this is what sp1 should have been | Oct 25 11:57 |
schestowitz | He said he would make XP SP1 and 2 a separate OS | Oct 25 11:57 |
schestowitz | Or something to that effect | Oct 25 11:57 |
schestowitz | Bascially, SP means free 'upgrade'/patches in MS terminology | Oct 25 11:57 |
schestowitz | "New version" is code for "time to pay up again for the same thing" | Oct 25 11:58 |
schestowitz | Same for Office | Oct 25 11:58 |
schestowitz | SP vs version | Oct 25 11:58 |
Diablo-D3 | this is why I dont pay for ms products | Oct 25 11:58 |
schestowitz | SPs haven't new wallpapers :-) | Oct 25 11:58 |
schestowitz | Shame... | Oct 25 11:59 |
schestowitz | They come via LAN, not a box that's impossible to open | Oct 25 11:59 |
schestowitz | ANd impossible to u/g to as well | Oct 25 11:59 |
schestowitz | XP->Vista upgrade in-place was broken | Oct 25 11:59 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft delayed Vista release due to it | Oct 25 11:59 |
schestowitz | But it released too early nonetheless | Oct 25 11:59 |
Mutex_ | why are we still talking about vista and XP, they are history, or is it you have trouble finding fault with Win 7 ? | Oct 25 12:00 |
DavidGerard | vista is actually completely analogous to the Ford Edsel. | Oct 25 12:02 |
Mutex_ | how so. | Oct 25 12:03 |
DavidGerard | windows 7 is an attempt to be analogous to the Ford Comet ... | Oct 25 12:03 |
DavidGerard | which was really a rebranded Edsel. | Oct 25 12:03 |
DavidGerard | read the wikipedia article on the Edsel. | Oct 25 12:03 |
DavidGerard | it was a hugely expensive research project, it underperformed in practice, it was too expensive, and consumers hated it. | Oct 25 12:03 |
DavidGerard | and the manufacturing quality was awful. | Oct 25 12:04 |
oiaohm | Win 7 issue start off with some basics too power hungery. Take too long to boot. And don't run on the full range of hardware out there. | Oct 25 12:04 |
Mutex_ | so what has that go to do with Win 7 >? | Oct 25 12:04 |
DavidGerard | it was the same sort of corporate hubris. | Oct 25 12:04 |
DavidGerard | ford's attempt to get out of it was to rebrand the 1960 Ford Edsel Comet as just the Ford Comet. | Oct 25 12:04 |
DavidGerard | it was really an Edsel | Oct 25 12:04 |
oiaohm | We are basically at the end of the Wintel age Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:04 |
DavidGerard | but they made it look like the other Fords | Oct 25 12:04 |
DavidGerard | and the marketing *worked*. the comet was a huge hit. | Oct 25 12:04 |
Mutex_ | ok, so based on your "argument" I have an IQ question for you. | Oct 25 12:05 |
DavidGerard | even though it was an edsel under the skin. | Oct 25 12:05 |
schestowitz | DavidGerard: that burger doesn't look the same in reality (As in the commercials | Oct 25 12:05 |
Mutex_ | Vista is to Win 7, as Linux is to ??? | Oct 25 12:05 |
DavidGerard | Mutex_: linux in five years. | Oct 25 12:05 |
Mutex_ | so "vista is to Win 7 as Linux is to Linux in 5 years " ???? !!! | Oct 25 12:06 |
DavidGerard | or any two LTS versions of Ubuntu. | Oct 25 12:06 |
DavidGerard | the same thing but improved. | Oct 25 12:06 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: what is more dominate in market uptake phones or pc's Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:06 |
DavidGerard | linux distros improve on a much faster timescale than windows | Oct 25 12:06 |
schestowitz | DavidGerard: just FYI, Mutex_ hangs out here to hackele and troll | Oct 25 12:06 |
oiaohm | Then you wake up phone makers and pc makers are crossing turf at moment. | Oct 25 12:06 |
Mutex_ | But linux has been around for what 18 years now, | Oct 25 12:07 |
oiaohm | Phone makers are inching into the netbook market. | Oct 25 12:07 |
Mutex_ | Roy, I hang out here to see what claims your making at any time, so how would you answer that simple IQ question Roy ? | Oct 25 12:07 |
oiaohm | And how many years has x.org had funded developers Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:07 |
oiaohm | 4 years. | Oct 25 12:07 |
Mutex_ | so | Oct 25 12:08 |
oiaohm | So basically for 14 years no gave a crap about graphical usage.. | Oct 25 12:08 |
oiaohm | It was nothing more than something for fun. | Oct 25 12:08 |
DavidGerard | oiaohm: basically. xfree86 worked *well enough*. | Oct 25 12:08 |
Mutex_ | So Roy, A question ... Vista is to Win 7 as Linux is to ????? | Oct 25 12:08 |
DavidGerard | however, suse was employing keith packard to work on xfree86 through the late 1990s. | Oct 25 12:08 |
DavidGerard | it was the early 2000s that xfree86's cathedralism became a really big problem. | Oct 25 12:09 |
oiaohm | DavidGerard: keith had to split time. | Oct 25 12:09 |
DavidGerard | leading to the xorg breakaway. | Oct 25 12:09 |
DavidGerard | yeah but | Oct 25 12:09 |
DavidGerard | since the late 1980s, the centre of x development has been wherever keithp is. | Oct 25 12:09 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Its the second judge who is running "ecourts" in rhel wants me to enable video playback! rhn subscription was disabled ; Need help! | Oct 25 12:09 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #fglrx 9.10 is out, support for Radeon 5xxx series cards, still can't wait for #radeon & #radeonhd to be complete enough to run modern games | Oct 25 12:09 | |
DavidGerard | full stop. | Oct 25 12:09 |
Mutex_ | Roy generally there is a time limit on IQ questions :) | Oct 25 12:09 |
DavidGerard | he is dr x! | Oct 25 12:09 |
oiaohm | Last 4 years we have more than 1 developer paid on X11 DavidGerard | Oct 25 12:10 |
DavidGerard | schestowitz: nevertheless my answer is accurate ;-) | Oct 25 12:10 |
DavidGerard | oiaohm: yes indeed. it was xorg that started it to the dizzying heights of trying to drag it kicking and screaming out of the 1990s. | Oct 25 12:10 |
oiaohm | One of the big shocks is Nvidia stating to openly offer x.org patches. | Oct 25 12:10 |
Mutex_ | Hmmm no reply Roy,, fair enough,,, Nuff said I guess. your silence kind of says it all.. IMO | Oct 25 12:11 |
DavidGerard | oiaohm: i suspect because nouveau is no longer marked "here be dragons, devs only" but is actually marginally usable. | Oct 25 12:11 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: You are asking to future. | Oct 25 12:11 |
DavidGerard | and because amd/ati is taking its open source drivers seriously. | Oct 25 12:12 |
Mutex_ | "you are asking to future"... Hmmmm, | Oct 25 12:12 |
oiaohm | Ie windows 7 is many years latter than Vista. | Oct 25 12:12 |
oiaohm | So since Linux is kinda a timeless maker how can we give a valid answer Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:12 |
Mutex_ | ok perhaps you might like to answer that simple IQ question, that Roy does not seem to want to address. | Oct 25 12:12 |
DavidGerard | oiaohm: i think watching the likely evolution of linux is reasonable. | Oct 25 12:13 |
Mutex_ | A question ... Vista is to Win 7 as Linux is to ????? | Oct 25 12:13 |
DavidGerard | Mutex_: no, he doesn't want to address you. there's a difference. | Oct 25 12:13 |
DavidGerard | i answered the question. do you have a correct answer in mind? | Oct 25 12:13 |
Mutex_ | does not want too, or cannot, all the same to me. | Oct 25 12:13 |
oiaohm | Why answer a question that is not a valid question Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:13 |
DavidGerard | if it's an iq test it has a right answer. | Oct 25 12:13 |
DavidGerard | it's all the same to you because of registry corruption. | Oct 25 12:13 |
Mutex_ | well can anyone else, mabey one of Roy's guard Dogs will stick up for him. | Oct 25 12:13 |
oiaohm | You could even answer it stupidly., | Oct 25 12:13 |
oiaohm | Since Linux is timeless. | Oct 25 12:14 |
DavidGerard | i uderstand there are products from flashing ad banners that promise to fix that | Oct 25 12:14 |
DavidGerard | and they'll even in stall a free antivirus, apparently. | Oct 25 12:14 |
oiaohm | Linux is to Linux would be a valid answer Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:14 |
DavidGerard | you appear to have installed several of these in your brain. | Oct 25 12:14 |
Mutex_ | ok, so from this I understand no one here can answer my VERY SIMPLE QUESTION.. Nuff said. | Oct 25 12:14 |
oiaohm | Its like asking Windows is to ... | Oct 25 12:14 |
DavidGerard | Mutex_: i did answer it. | Oct 25 12:14 |
DavidGerard | what is the answer you had in mind, mutex? | Oct 25 12:14 |
oiaohm | Then answer Windows is to .... | Oct 25 12:14 |
DavidGerard | did you have an answer in mind? | Oct 25 12:14 |
oiaohm | Same question asking for a time compare to a item that is timeless Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:15 |
Mutex_ | funny David I dont see your answer in the log. | Oct 25 12:15 |
DavidGerard | Mutex_: you even questioned my answer. | Oct 25 12:15 |
DavidGerard | <DavidGerard> Mutex_: linux in five years. | Oct 25 12:15 |
Mutex_ | ok, So I can safely assume that no one here is willing to answer that simple question, and expecially Roy. | Oct 25 12:15 |
DavidGerard | <Mutex_> so "vista is to Win 7 as Linux is to Linux in 5 years " ???? !!! | Oct 25 12:15 |
DavidGerard | <DavidGerard> or any two LTS versions of Ubuntu. | Oct 25 12:15 |
DavidGerard | <DavidGerard> the same thing but improved. | Oct 25 12:15 |
Mutex_ | Case Closed. | Oct 25 12:15 |
DavidGerard | Mutex_: as trolls go, you have a severe case of registry corruption. | Oct 25 12:16 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: "A question ... Vista is to Win 7 as Windows is to ?????" Answer this form. | Oct 25 12:16 |
Mutex_ | Ok, so you cant answer a simple question, so you resort to attacking me... Nice work. | Oct 25 12:16 |
oiaohm | If you can answer it you have a valid question Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:16 |
oiaohm | If you cannot you don't. | Oct 25 12:16 |
DavidGerard | Mutex_: have you considered a future in creationism advocacy? | Oct 25 12:16 |
Mutex_ | I can asnwer it.. ofcourse | Oct 25 12:16 |
DavidGerard | Mutex_: what is your answer to that simple question? | Oct 25 12:17 |
Mutex_ | I want to know if you can. | Oct 25 12:17 |
DavidGerard | i did. what is your answer? | Oct 25 12:17 |
oiaohm | I have already provided answers. | Oct 25 12:17 |
schestowitz | Meh. http://www.regionaltimes.com/18oct2009/moneynews/mircosoft.htm | Oct 25 12:17 |
oiaohm | Note mine has windows there not Linux. | Oct 25 12:17 |
Mutex_ | If you "give up" and ask nicely I may give you the answer but I would have hoped you could come up with ityourself. | Oct 25 12:17 |
Mutex_ | Its not that hard !! | Oct 25 12:17 |
schestowitz | trmanco: where are you? | Oct 25 12:17 |
oiaohm | Both are timeless markers that cannot really be compared. | Oct 25 12:17 |
DavidGerard | you've been eating Windows 7 burgers, haven't you. | Oct 25 12:17 |
DavidGerard | your brain is clogging up with prions from mad cow disease. | Oct 25 12:18 |
schestowitz | 7 Windows burgers | Oct 25 12:18 |
schestowitz | Cholesterol Screen of Death | Oct 25 12:18 |
DavidGerard | so you forget stuff people said five minutes ago while getting pissier and pissier. | Oct 25 12:18 |
DavidGerard | it's very sad. | Oct 25 12:18 |
oiaohm | Timeless markets will change meaning with time Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:18 |
Mutex_ | again, resorting to personal attacks, when you have nothing else to call on, it's called the LOWEST common factor | Oct 25 12:18 |
oiaohm | I don't believe you can answer it vaild Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:18 |
oiaohm | I think you have something that is a joke answer Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:19 |
Mutex_ | sure you can, it's a simple question, why are you having so much trouble with it ? | Oct 25 12:19 |
oiaohm | Because you don't understand the question you ask. | Oct 25 12:19 |
schestowitz | When does the v7 family guy episode air? | Oct 25 12:19 |
Mutex_ | Oh right, I dont understand it ... LOL | Oct 25 12:19 |
schestowitz | It would maybe be as hilarious as those viral v7 launch party videos | Oct 25 12:19 |
oiaohm | You have asked a question with a time context. Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:20 |
Mutex_ | Roy why dont you answer the question, to enlighten your followers. | Oct 25 12:20 |
Mutex_ | instead of letting your guard dogs talk for you | Oct 25 12:20 |
schestowitz | There's no "Followers' | Oct 25 12:20 |
schestowitz | It's not a movement | Oct 25 12:20 |
oiaohm | Common MS person stunt Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:20 |
schestowitz | Stop trolling | Oct 25 12:20 |
Mutex_ | sure | Oct 25 12:20 |
oiaohm | Completely in breach of rules of english. | Oct 25 12:20 |
schestowitz | There are no 'attack dogs', either | Oct 25 12:20 |
Mutex_ | oh ok... LOL | Oct 25 12:20 |
schestowitz | You're pushing the limits to be kickbanned again | Oct 25 12:20 |
schestowitz | You offer nothing here other than attacks on people | Oct 25 12:20 |
oiaohm | Yes I am crap at typing it but I do know the rules enough to to ask a stupid question pushing a time context. | Oct 25 12:20 |
oiaohm | Then using a term that does not have a time context Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:21 |
Mutex_ | because I say things that make you uncomfortable, Im sorry, but sometimes people like to know what your about, | Oct 25 12:21 |
oiaohm | No Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:21 |
oiaohm | Give me your answer. Lets see how bad you have it wrong. | Oct 25 12:21 |
Mutex_ | and im not the one who links Vista and Win 7 trying to tie them together, so I ask again. | Oct 25 12:21 |
DavidGerard | windows 7 from Viz: http://i.imgur.com/YeCS0.jpg | Oct 25 12:21 |
oiaohm | Rules of english and a question and example you created the context of the question. | Oct 25 12:22 |
Mutex_ | So you agree, then you want to ban me for saying things you dont like to here, not for "abuse" as you have previously claimed, and that I asked you to show, | Oct 25 12:22 |
oiaohm | If you did not want to apply a time context you should not have used past and future forms of the same thing. | Oct 25 12:22 |
DavidGerard | kickbanning is appropriate for attempts at prion-like suffocation of conversation with deliberate stupidity | Oct 25 12:23 |
oiaohm | Ie Vista and Win 7 are both windows at two different time points. | Oct 25 12:23 |
Mutex_ | so if you asnser is "Linux in 5 years" does that mean Linux TODAY is like Vista ? | Oct 25 12:23 |
oiaohm | No Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:24 |
Mutex_ | thats what you said. | Oct 25 12:24 |
Mutex_ | remeber my question do you. | Oct 25 12:24 |
DavidGerard | personally i don't like linux at all. I far prefer freebsd. | Oct 25 12:24 |
DavidGerard | please kick mutex, he's being of negative net worth again | Oct 25 12:24 |
oiaohm | Rules of that kind of question there iis no link between example and question. | Oct 25 12:24 |
Mutex_ | is negative bad David, | Oct 25 12:24 |
oiaohm | Please stop mudering english for your own ends Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:24 |
Mutex_ | or is it you just dont like answering hard questions? | Oct 25 12:25 |
Mutex_ | it's easier to isolate than explain yourself. and your movives. | Oct 25 12:25 |
oiaohm | Ie " Vista is to Win 7 | Oct 25 12:25 |
oiaohm | that is example. | Oct 25 12:25 |
schestowitz | Dog Purchases 5,000 Microsoft Points On Owners Xbox Live Account http://www.talkxbox.com/article3429.html | Oct 25 12:25 |
schestowitz | Easy to use..? | Oct 25 12:25 |
oiaohm | Example gives guidence how to solve question. | Oct 25 12:25 |
oiaohm | Not part of question Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:25 |
oiaohm | Please use english right. | Oct 25 12:25 |
DavidGerard | it's like talking politics with US conservatives - after a short time you realise they literally don't understand the words they're using | Oct 25 12:26 |
schestowitz | oh, DavidGerard , did you see my quoting you yesterday in the Vista 7 post? | Oct 25 12:26 |
Mutex_ | look it's clear your not capable of answering that simple question, so Ill leave it at that. it's a bit sad though. it's not that hard | Oct 25 12:26 |
oiaohm | You question was only linux is to..... With a time applied context. | Oct 25 12:26 |
DavidGerard | then they demand you explain something that made no sense in the first place using their made-up terms with made-up meanings. | Oct 25 12:26 |
oiaohm | No Mutex_ You got your english wrong. | Oct 25 12:26 |
DavidGerard | schestowitz: oh yes | Oct 25 12:26 |
oiaohm | I should expect no different from a MS troll. | Oct 25 12:27 |
DavidGerard | then they die when they can't pay a $50,000 medical bill. so, happy ending. | Oct 25 12:27 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: you help the troll derail the discussion and turn it to VIsta 7 boosting (and Linux bashing) | Oct 25 12:27 |
Mutex_ | now im a troll,,,, C'mon ANSWER the simple question, and enough with the personal attacks. | Oct 25 12:27 |
oiaohm | When you create it in correct english schestowitz might have to Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:28 |
Mutex_ | gees I thought I asked a simple question that would of taken one line to anserm, and look what ive DONE !!! :) | Oct 25 12:28 |
oiaohm | No you though you could ask a question you could alter the context of peoples answers Mutex_ to do what ever you want. | Oct 25 12:29 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll | Oct 25 12:29 |
Mutex_ | Im sorry, I can ask a question, you're answer is your answer, NOT mine. | Oct 25 12:29 |
schestowitz | "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]" | Oct 25 12:29 |
oiaohm | Yet you are so bad asking questions in english you created a invalid question Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:29 |
Mutex_ | you blaming me for you're answer ? | Oct 25 12:29 |
Mutex_ | this is ontopic, | Oct 25 12:30 |
oiaohm | Yet you have not answers my question either Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:30 |
Mutex_ | what was that | Oct 25 12:30 |
oiaohm | I have at least provide my example answers. | Oct 25 12:30 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: "A question ... Vista is to Win 7 as Windows is to ?????" Answer this form. | Oct 25 12:30 |
Mutex_ | Hay, that look's just like the question I asked you guys, so you now want me to answer it for you too ? | Oct 25 12:31 |
Mutex_ | And the answer is "windows" for your question. | Oct 25 12:32 |
Mutex_ | and if you need me to explain to you the answer to my question, say "I give" and ill give you the answer, if you cant work it out yourself. | Oct 25 12:32 |
schestowitz | Microsoft spins the preorders trick to create illusions: http://live.iencyclopedia.org/2009/10/windows-7-sales-more-than-vista.html | Oct 25 12:34 |
schestowitz | Vista did not put emphasis on preorders | Oct 25 12:34 |
schestowitz | So they compare apple and oranges | Oct 25 12:34 |
schestowitz | Also, the likes of the BBC added promotional links to preorders | Oct 25 12:35 |
schestowitz | THis is part of the successful /initial/ hype 'product' | Oct 25 12:35 |
schestowitz | I'm finding more evidence of it failing a week/month before launch | Oct 25 12:35 |
schestowitz | What is this creature? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8310867.stm | Oct 25 12:37 |
schestowitz | DavidGerard: how's the head? | Oct 25 12:38 |
DavidGerard | coughing up rancid slime and windows 7 | Oct 25 12:39 |
DavidGerard | need to visit the doctor tomorrow for some antibiotics i think | Oct 25 12:40 |
DavidGerard | assuming this isn't all just viral | Oct 25 12:40 |
DavidGerard | the kid has a terrible case of windows 7 too, coughing and nose dripping snot | Oct 25 12:40 |
oiaohm | Note I also said Linux was a valid answer so was Windows in 5 years would also be a valid answer Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:41 |
schestowitz | Does Freda use ubuntu? Tuxpaint? | Oct 25 12:42 |
oiaohm | Simple problem here you asked a question with too many valid answers because of lack of understanding of the question you asked Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:42 |
Mutex_ | so Vista is to Win 7 as Linux is to Linux...... great :) | Oct 25 12:42 |
oiaohm | Linux is to Linux in 5 years time is also a valid answer. | Oct 25 12:42 |
oiaohm | Since Linux in 5 years time is still a future form Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:42 |
DavidGerard | schestowitz: not yet | Oct 25 12:43 |
Mutex_ | in that case you are saying Linux (today) is to VISTA, great again.... thanks for that. | Oct 25 12:43 |
DavidGerard | she basically uses the flash player to watch iplayer :-D | Oct 25 12:43 |
oiaohm | No you are not Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:43 |
DavidGerard | oiaohm: please stop engaging with the troll | Oct 25 12:43 |
Mutex_ | no that's what you said. | Oct 25 12:43 |
Mutex_ | not me | Oct 25 12:43 |
oiaohm | Note I gave the answer Linux to your first question what I was refering to Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:44 |
DavidGerard | there's an application called babysplat, which is for windows but is opeen source and runs perfectly under wine | Oct 25 12:44 |
DavidGerard | you thump any key and a random shape pops up on the screen and it makes a noise | Oct 25 12:44 |
DavidGerard | this DELIGHTS her | Oct 25 12:44 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Getting KDE4 on windows: http://www.thinkdigit.com/Features/Getting-KDE4-on-Windows_3550.html | Oct 25 12:44 | |
DavidGerard | the best kids' toys are really simple | Oct 25 12:44 |
oiaohm | But you are wanting to create link between example and question answered that is invalid under the rules of english Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:44 |
DavidGerard | right now she's playing iwth a spoon, spinning it round and round | Oct 25 12:44 |
Mutex_ | yes, I know you did, so you are saying Vista is to Linux (today) and Win 7 in Linux (in 5 years), do you understand how these types are questions work ? | Oct 25 12:45 |
DavidGerard | very excited to be able to make a spoon spin round | Oct 25 12:45 |
oiaohm | No Mutex_ breach of rules of english. | Oct 25 12:45 |
oiaohm | You have crossed example with question. | Oct 25 12:45 |
DavidGerard | huh, i tried kde for windows | Oct 25 12:45 |
Mutex_ | well YOU explain it please,,, Vista is to Win 7 as Linux is too ?????? | Oct 25 12:45 |
DavidGerard | it basically didn't work. | Oct 25 12:45 |
DavidGerard | no programs would work. | Oct 25 12:45 |
oiaohm | The as is a break everything before as is an example of context. | Oct 25 12:46 |
oiaohm | In your question Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:46 |
oiaohm | egg is to bird as pup is to ???? Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:46 |
Mutex_ | you've never done an IQ test oiaohm, I take it | Oct 25 12:46 |
Mutex_ | Ive done many | Oct 25 12:46 |
oiaohm | Is there any releation ship between egg and pub | Oct 25 12:47 |
oiaohm | pup. | Oct 25 12:47 |
oiaohm | Answer no Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:47 |
Mutex_ | (got) | Oct 25 12:47 |
Mutex_ | (Dog) | Oct 25 12:47 |
oiaohm | You poor undersanding of english is causing problem. | Oct 25 12:47 |
Mutex_ | Egg is to bird as Pup is to dog,,, gee you cannot work that out ? | Oct 25 12:47 |
oiaohm | Now rewite that how you did with the answers to your question. | Oct 25 12:48 |
oiaohm | using my example and see how stupid you are being | Oct 25 12:48 |
Mutex_ | Vista is to Win 7 as Linux is to Linux. | Oct 25 12:48 |
Mutex_ | so there, ive answered it for you, it's sad you could not do that yourself. | Oct 25 12:49 |
oiaohm | You rewrite " know you did, so you are saying Vista is to Linux (today) and Win 7 in Linux (in 5 years)" | Oct 25 12:49 |
Mutex_ | no thats what David said... | Oct 25 12:49 |
oiaohm | egg is pup and bird is in dog | Oct 25 12:49 |
Mutex_ | I did not say that. i commented on it | Oct 25 12:49 |
oiaohm | Yes complextly stupid. | Oct 25 12:50 |
oiaohm | completely stupid. | Oct 25 12:50 |
Mutex_ | sure oiaohm, you dont too well in IQ tests ??? I wonder, (not accusing). | Oct 25 12:50 |
oiaohm | LOL Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:50 |
oiaohm | I do very well in the logic side. | Oct 25 12:51 |
Mutex_ | well your the one who siad "egg is to pup "and" bit is in dog... ???? WTF does that mean LOL | Oct 25 12:51 |
oiaohm | No Mutex_ that was answer to your stupid line. | Oct 25 12:52 |
Mutex_ | "egg is pup and bird is in dog" great | Oct 25 12:52 |
oiaohm | Of course that line is stupid. | Oct 25 12:53 |
Mutex_ | agreed. | Oct 25 12:53 |
Mutex_ | so why say it | Oct 25 12:53 |
*schestowitz looks at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen-Molecule+KDE+%26+GTK%2B+unified+theme?content=103741 | Oct 25 12:53 | |
oiaohm | It was the same kind of stupid your interlinked context was doing. | Oct 25 12:53 |
schestowitz | [12:43] <DavidGerard> she basically uses the flash player to watch iplayer :-D | Oct 25 12:53 |
schestowitz | I see... | Oct 25 12:53 |
schestowitz | Well, it's nice that there is loosers desktop integration with video now | Oct 25 12:54 |
Mutex_ | no mine is a standard for of question used in IQ testing to assess people ability to group and think laterally | Oct 25 12:54 |
oiaohm | Invalid interlinked context Mutex_ by the rules of english because the results are stupid. | Oct 25 12:54 |
schestowitz | Back in the days playing videos was a breaking point for Linux | Oct 25 12:54 |
schestowitz | Now I watch HD videos over the network | Oct 25 12:54 |
Mutex_ | for which you appear to have some difficulity. | Oct 25 12:54 |
Mutex_ | thats why I asked if you had done many IQ tests ever. | Oct 25 12:54 |
Mutex_ | It's a very very common form of question. | Oct 25 12:54 |
oiaohm | To be correct Mutex_ written invilad english to test laterally thinking is only found on USA created IQ tests. | Oct 25 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:44] <DavidGerard> right now she's playing iwth a spoon, spinning it round and round | Oct 25 12:55 |
schestowitz | As long as it's not Uri Geller-like mumbo jumbo :-) | Oct 25 12:55 |
Mutex_ | im not in the US oiaohm, im in the same country as you | Oct 25 12:55 |
oiaohm | Most IQ tests done in australia are from USA ones Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:55 |
oiaohm | So you are not aware that a common question is truly invalid. | Oct 25 12:56 |
Mutex_ | so it's still a standard form of question, and BTW there is nothing wrong with the english or structure of the question. | Oct 25 12:56 |
Mutex_ | on that point you are just plain wrong | Oct 25 12:56 |
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oiaohm | There is Mutex_ | Oct 25 12:57 |
oiaohm | You created a question with almost unlimited numbers of correct answers. | Oct 25 12:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard windows 7 burger.. http://is.gd/4AH4Y the moment you touch windows 7, it starts dripping grease and LARD http://is.gd/4AH7O | Oct 25 12:58 | |
Mutex_ | no only one correct answer, | Oct 25 12:58 |
oiaohm | There is not one correct answer that is the problem. | Oct 25 12:58 |
Mutex_ | there actually is, or at least a very limited set of correct answers, | Oct 25 12:59 |
oiaohm | Its a commonly overlooked error in tests. | Oct 25 12:59 |
Mutex_ | what is ? | Oct 25 13:00 |
oiaohm | Linux + time of any possitve value would been correct to your question . | Oct 25 13:00 |
schestowitz | Heh. From TC: "But Mike…Americans really do eat too much. I’m American, I eat too much. I dunno about the disgusting, because it all taste really freaking good." | Oct 25 13:00 |
oiaohm | But Linux is to Linux is incorrect any reason why Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:00 |
oiaohm | Even that USA linked ones where the error first appeared. | Oct 25 13:00 |
oiaohm | Because both would be the same time Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:01 |
oiaohm | And the example gives a time difference. | Oct 25 13:01 |
Mutex_ | allright Ill refrase the question with typical BN bias, "Vista is to 'Vista 7' as Linux is too ????? | Oct 25 13:01 |
oiaohm | Same Vista 7 applies a future time. | Oct 25 13:02 |
oiaohm | You changed nothing about the question . | Oct 25 13:02 |
Mutex_ | ok fair enough, that that means you are comparing Linux today with Vista, and Linux in the future to Win 7, but thats a fair answer, I can accept that.... Thanks :) | Oct 25 13:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, My neighbor, who cleans my mom's house, comes over and knocks on the door. Glad I didn't open it now, cause she told me through the door later in the conversation she has the flu | Oct 25 13:03 |
oiaohm | Do the dog and bird again. | Oct 25 13:03 |
Mutex_ | No "takebacksys" | Oct 25 13:03 |
DaemonFC | I told her not to come in or go into my mom's house ten called my mom, she was like "Are you SURE it's the flu?" | Oct 25 13:03 |
DaemonFC | I was like "Gee, I don't know, should I open the door and find out?" | Oct 25 13:03 |
oiaohm | Swap Linux today with egg, Vista with pup, Linux future with bird and Windows 7 with dog and tell me if you have a sane line Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:04 |
oiaohm | All are equally releated nowns Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:04 |
oiaohm | So are swapable and sentence should read sane. | Oct 25 13:04 |
oiaohm | What yours don't Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:04 |
DaemonFC | swine flu is spreading like wildfire around here | Oct 25 13:04 |
DaemonFC | schools are being closed because literally half or more of the students have it | Oct 25 13:05 |
DaemonFC | I really don't feel like going anywhere I don't have to | Oct 25 13:05 |
oiaohm | Basically you are failing a IQ tested big time. Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:05 |
DaemonFC | our government is too incompetent to make the vaccine fast enough | Oct 25 13:05 |
Mutex_ | ok sure I am, and you have dogs eating birds,,,, LOL | Oct 25 13:06 |
DaemonFC | I took the vaccine on Friday, but it won't give me immunity until around next Friday | Oct 25 13:06 |
oiaohm | You are creating an answer out of a question that does not give the answer you are after Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:06 |
Mutex_ | it's ok, if you dont understand,,, really it is.... dont stress it... | Oct 25 13:06 |
DaemonFC | so I'm trying to avoid it until then | Oct 25 13:06 |
oiaohm | Ask a correct question Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:07 |
schestowitz | 'Mr. Klugian underscored his remark by reminding reporters that Iran attempted to install Microsoft Vista over three years ago: "They still haven't gotten that to work."' http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/iran-trying-to-install-mi_b_332769.html | Oct 25 13:07 |
oiaohm | Or are you too dumb to be able to ask a correct question to get the answers you want Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:07 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Well, it's because Iran is not paying for any of it | Oct 25 13:07 |
DaemonFC | and Microsoft couldn't sell it to them anyway due to the embargo | Oct 25 13:07 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: it has Parsix | Oct 25 13:07 |
DaemonFC | hah | Oct 25 13:08 |
DaemonFC | good luck with that | Oct 25 13:08 |
Mutex_ | it did, im sorry you have trouble with it, it is after all an IQ question, it sad you have to resort to attacking the question as opposed to simply answering it,,, but I understand the real answer does not suit the "facts" espoused here. | Oct 25 13:08 |
schestowitz | Schools run a Debian/Ubuntu derivative gradually | Oct 25 13:08 |
schestowitz | They snub the US | Oct 25 13:08 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: Its a question you pulled from a defective IQ test and reworded. You missed lots of important things. | Oct 25 13:09 |
zer0c00l | i have a doubt, fedora cannot be legally used in nations which comes under "us export regulations" ? | Oct 25 13:09 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't think the best ad for Linux is that all the repressive, unstable, third world dictatorships use it | Oct 25 13:09 |
DaemonFC | zer0c00l, There's nothing in Fedora that would stop Iran from using it | Oct 25 13:09 |
Mutex_ | ok, oiaohm, I understand you dont like or quite understand that type of association question, I can accept that... | Oct 25 13:09 |
DaemonFC | Rd Hat wouldn't be in any trouble anyway, since they didn't sell them anything | Oct 25 13:09 |
Mutex_ | thanks for trying thought. | Oct 25 13:09 |
DaemonFC | you can give them stuff, jsut not sell it | Oct 25 13:10 |
oiaohm | The egg bird pup dog is the classic example that pointed out the error in that question Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:10 |
DaemonFC | *Red Hat | Oct 25 13:10 |
zer0c00l | DaemonFC: Seems like one cannot export it http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export | Oct 25 13:10 |
oiaohm | Its the only IQ test question to ever end up in PHD english books Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:10 |
Mutex_ | oiaohm, then im sure you would be ableto easily explain to all those here how that question works then... I look forward to that. | Oct 25 13:11 |
DaemonFC | zer0c00l, Well, they can't go after Red Hat anyway | Oct 25 13:11 |
oiaohm | Of how to get english wrong Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:11 |
zer0c00l | DaemonFC: ok | Oct 25 13:11 |
DaemonFC | zer0c00l, And nothing stops you from sending a Fedora ISO to a Canadian server and then to Iran | Oct 25 13:11 |
DaemonFC | :) | Oct 25 13:11 |
Mutex_ | oh wait, if you dont know something here, it's easier to just "attack" it.... that I too can understand. | Oct 25 13:11 |
oiaohm | I tried fixing my english by learn more and more about it Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:11 |
Mutex_ | keep trying. !! | Oct 25 13:11 |
oiaohm | End result is I end up with complex english mixed with bad . | Oct 25 13:12 |
DaemonFC | zer0c00l, Export laws don't really work well with free software | Oct 25 13:12 |
DaemonFC | they still use Firefox in "Parsix" | Oct 25 13:12 |
DaemonFC | that has the same export restriction | Oct 25 13:12 |
oiaohm | No matter how much study you do dyslexia is not cured. | Oct 25 13:12 |
DaemonFC | Iran isn't stable anyway | Oct 25 13:13 |
Mutex_ | it's also not an english literature question, its an IQ question, | Oct 25 13:13 |
DaemonFC | they rely solely on one non-renewable resource and can't even refine enough oil to meet their own demands | Oct 25 13:14 |
DaemonFC | they end up reimporting it | Oct 25 13:14 |
oiaohm | Problem is it IQ question context taken from it is invalid Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:14 |
Mutex_ | it's common to question the question, when you cannot find the right answer, but its dont, and whats done is done. | Oct 25 13:14 |
oiaohm | Best test of a english question to confirm how valid it is. Takes swaping the nowns out. | Oct 25 13:15 |
oiaohm | Now if answers remain sane context you are taking is sane. | Oct 25 13:15 |
oiaohm | If answers go insane you have bad context. | Oct 25 13:15 |
Mutex_ | you can be as critical as you like about the question, but it's not that hard , and its a common method of assessing your IQ. Do you always question the question if you dont understand it. as opposed to trying to just answer it ? | Oct 25 13:15 |
Mutex_ | mabye ioaohm, you are not the best one to debate this subject. | Oct 25 13:16 |
oiaohm | Problem was I understood the question | Oct 25 13:17 |
oiaohm | Exactly what classes of answers it could take. | Oct 25 13:17 |
Mutex_ | really,,, !!!! ok,, then why are you having so much troublewith it ? | Oct 25 13:17 |
oiaohm | No I am having trouble with you building context out of it that don't exist. | Oct 25 13:18 |
oiaohm | And that is poor understanding of english. | Oct 25 13:18 |
oiaohm | Mostly because you are not PHD class english. | Oct 25 13:18 |
DavidGerard | his english is fine. he's trolling. | Oct 25 13:19 |
schestowitz | *LOL* http://identi.ca/frankenspock | Oct 25 13:19 |
schestowitz | "My wife is weird. I love her lots though." | Oct 25 13:19 |
Mutex_ | I didnt build any context, I was going on BN's context, of refering to Win 7 and "vista 7" so I ask, "Vista is to Win 7 as Linux is too ???? .. It's you guys who want to try to connect Vista with Win 7, but at the same time, cannot connect Linux with "anything "... | Oct 25 13:19 |
oiaohm | Are Vista and Win 7 releated. | Oct 25 13:21 |
schestowitz | Does anyone still remember WinMob 6.5? | Oct 25 13:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2354478,00.asp | Oct 25 13:21 |
Mutex_ | yes,, is linux and linux related ? | Oct 25 13:21 |
oiaohm | Vista 7 is also something MS did on a Slide show Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:21 |
schestowitz | Sounds like it's broken | Oct 25 13:21 |
oiaohm | For windows 7 | Oct 25 13:21 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: Vista 7 is a second take at Vista | Oct 25 13:22 |
schestowitz | Reducing some cruft in the code | Oct 25 13:22 |
DavidGerard | schestowitz: the mini-microsoft post with everyone chiming in bitching about winmo was heartwarming | Oct 25 13:22 |
oiaohm | Lets just say we don't forget a MS typo Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:22 |
schestowitz | Changing the UI somewhat (mostly the task bar and stuff) | Oct 25 13:22 |
DavidGerard | remember, these are the people hwo've completely drunk the ms koolaid | Oct 25 13:22 |
schestowitz | The rest is mostly the same | Oct 25 13:22 |
schestowitz | I notice there is little coverage of the reelase | Oct 25 13:22 |
schestowitz | Vista had FAR more coverage at the time | Oct 25 13:22 |
Mutex_ | wow a typo,,,, how evil.. !!!! | Oct 25 13:22 |
schestowitz | ANd it's already quiet | Oct 25 13:22 |
schestowitz | Which is why I aksed about Family Guy episode | Oct 25 13:23 |
oiaohm | Its the media game you take every slip up you can get Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:23 |
DavidGerard | is the ms astroturf engine slowing? are they throwing everything at win7? | Oct 25 13:23 |
schestowitz | Other than TV ads Microsoft can't keep up the hype | Oct 25 13:23 |
schestowitz | It'll be like WinMob 6.5 | Oct 25 13:23 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's enough tweaks to the kernel and the Display Window Manager to make it a nice upgrade over Vista | Oct 25 13:23 |
DaemonFC | I don't think it's must have | Oct 25 13:23 |
Mutex_ | yea, when your "digging for dirt" you take what you can get ... I know | Oct 25 13:23 |
DavidGerard | windows income halved since last year. that was especially heartwarming. | Oct 25 13:23 |
schestowitz | ANd reviews will come from hockey moms in blogspot who can't get the darn thing to work with peripherals | Oct 25 13:23 |
DaemonFC | if you have a quad-core CPU, it is worth having | Oct 25 13:23 |
oiaohm | Also its funny Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:23 |
Mutex_ | it's purile | Oct 25 13:24 |
oiaohm | Windows the generic term is used on BN as well Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | [13:23] <DavidGerard> is the ms astroturf engine slowing? are they throwing everything at win7? | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | I caught something | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | With post coming | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | Microsoftliterally fed bloggers | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | By the hundreds | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | 777 in Korea | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | Microsoft bribed them to blog praises of Vista 7 | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | How predictable | Oct 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | Like it paid people with schwag to Twit about it | Oct 25 13:25 |
DavidGerard | the one thing to be thankful for about the Windows 7 burger: at least they didn't do this for Windows 98. http://supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20060125050438458 | Oct 25 13:25 |
schestowitz | I don't think they break a law here | Oct 25 13:25 |
schestowitz | And that's what's sneaky about it | Oct 25 13:25 |
schestowitz | [13:23] <DavidGerard> windows income halved since last year. that was especially heartwarming. | Oct 25 13:25 |
schestowitz | Remember the role of Windows | Oct 25 13:25 |
schestowitz | No Windows, no Office | Oct 25 13:26 |
schestowitz | It's the common carrier | Oct 25 13:26 |
DavidGerard | yeah, office income was down only 10% | Oct 25 13:26 |
schestowitz | No Windows server, no XAML and drek | Oct 25 13:26 |
schestowitz | Then it's all LAMP and (x)html | Oct 25 13:26 |
DavidGerard | i suspect units shipped was actually similar | Oct 25 13:26 |
DavidGerard | but mostly on netbooks. | Oct 25 13:26 |
DavidGerard | did they break out units shipped? | Oct 25 13:26 |
DaemonFC | DavidGerard, lmao | Oct 25 13:27 |
DaemonFC | the Windows 2000 Whopper would have been even better | Oct 25 13:27 |
oiaohm | To be correct MS called Windows 7. Vista #2 Ie Vista take 2 Mutex_. So would you be upset if we called it Vista #2 ? | Oct 25 13:27 |
schestowitz | There's no Works now | Oct 25 13:27 |
schestowitz | They moved Office to advertising model | Oct 25 13:27 |
schestowitz | Google Apps has become too appealing to some large office users | Oct 25 13:27 |
schestowitz | Massive deployments | Oct 25 13:27 |
schestowitz | P&G, Disnet, NZ Post... | Oct 25 13:27 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I get Office for free too | Oct 25 13:27 |
schestowitz | *Disney | Oct 25 13:27 |
Mutex_ | would you be upset if I called Linux .. UNIX.. ??? | Oct 25 13:27 |
DaemonFC | I don't have it installed at the moment though | Oct 25 13:27 |
DavidGerard | windows ME II II | Oct 25 13:28 |
schestowitz | Vista = Windows 6 | Oct 25 13:28 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 = WIndows 6.1 | Oct 25 13:28 |
DaemonFC | Mutex_, Microsoft referred to Linux as a UNIX derivative | Oct 25 13:28 |
schestowitz | See Registry | Oct 25 13:28 |
schestowitz | Same product | Oct 25 13:28 |
cubezzz | what does GNU stand for? | Oct 25 13:28 |
Mutex_ | Vista = Vista, Win 7 = Win 7,,, Linux = Linux | Oct 25 13:28 |
Mutex_ | lets call a spade a spade. | Oct 25 13:28 |
DaemonFC | it would be more appropriate to have called it a UNIX workalike or proabably moreso a POSIX compliant system | Oct 25 13:28 |
DaemonFC | but oh well, UNIX derivative helps them de-legitimize it | Oct 25 13:29 |
cubezzz | GNU is Not Unix | Oct 25 13:29 |
schestowitz | ALso gives SCO their FUD | Oct 25 13:29 |
oiaohm | Vista is windows 6 Windows 7 is windows 6.1 Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:29 |
cubezzz | pretty basic | Oct 25 13:29 |
schestowitz | They can link to the libelous SEC filing from their funder, MSFT | Oct 25 13:29 |
Mutex_ | and Wine is not an emulator .... Right !!! | Oct 25 13:29 |
oiaohm | Its miss labled to start off with Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:29 |
oiaohm | So we are just labeling it even worse Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:29 |
Mutex_ | so you are ok with being just as incorrect, ok, but that does not look so good for you ! | Oct 25 13:30 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600] | Oct 25 13:30 |
DaemonFC | Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. | Oct 25 13:30 |
DaemonFC | C:\Users\Ryan> | Oct 25 13:30 |
DaemonFC | all you have to do is open a command prompt :P | Oct 25 13:30 |
oiaohm | So why does windows 7 product id code return windows 6.1 then Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:30 |
Mutex_ | so in that case we have Linux 1 and Linux 2 I take it. | Oct 25 13:31 |
oiaohm | Yet Windows 4.0 returns Windows 4.0 as product id code. | Oct 25 13:31 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, according to Microsoft, they broke a lot of applications when they gave Vista the 6.0 version number | Oct 25 13:31 |
DaemonFC | so they gave Windows 7 version 6.1 | Oct 25 13:31 |
oiaohm | Linux does have version numbers Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:31 |
oiaohm | Kernel version numbers Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:31 |
DaemonFC | they're probably telling the truth there | Oct 25 13:31 |
Mutex_ | I know, | Oct 25 13:31 |
Mutex_ | thats why I asked my original questions. | Oct 25 13:31 |
cubezzz | well, I seem to remember seeing 2.4 and 2.6 a lot | Oct 25 13:31 |
Mutex_ | thats right so thats Linux 2 | Oct 25 13:32 |
DaemonFC | a lot of aplication developers, or at least enough to be an annoyance, hard code the program to look for a certain major version number | Oct 25 13:32 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: Netbooks, Office likely to keep hurting Microsoft sales, analyst says http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139835/Netbooks_Office_likely_to_keep_hurting_Microsoft_sales_analyst_says_ | Oct 25 13:32 |
Mutex_ | and Linux 1 is 1.xx | Oct 25 13:32 |
oiaohm | Distributions say linux 2.4 and linux 2.6 a lot | Oct 25 13:32 |
oiaohm | Linux version numbers are 3 key numbers Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:32 |
Mutex_ | So Vista is to Win 7 as Linux 1 is to Linux 2 | Oct 25 13:32 |
DaemonFC | Star Trek: Borg won't run on Windows 98 or later because it assumes that if you don't have Windows 95, your PC is too old | Oct 25 13:32 |
DaemonFC | :P | Oct 25 13:32 |
oiaohm | First 2 are core the ones after that are patch numbers. | Oct 25 13:32 |
oiaohm | Funny enough Windows is the same Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:32 |
DaemonFC | old example, but that stuff still happens | Oct 25 13:32 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: does RTM /still/ say 6.1? | Oct 25 13:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've been using the RTM since June 24th, and yes | Oct 25 13:33 |
DaemonFC | 6.1.7600 | Oct 25 13:33 |
oiaohm | 3.0 3.5 4.0 5.0 5.1 6.0 6.1 are windows version numbers Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, 6.1.7600.16385 to be precise | Oct 25 13:33 |
Mutex_ | so,, we have a list of Linux versionstoo.. you're point ? | Oct 25 13:33 |
oiaohm | Where is the 7.0 version number Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:34 |
oiaohm | It don't exist Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:34 |
Mutex_ | what ?? for windows or Linux ?? | Oct 25 13:34 |
oiaohm | For windows Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:34 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Windows 2000 was NT 5.0, XP was 5.1 | Oct 25 13:34 |
DaemonFC | I see about the same difference between Vista and 7 | Oct 25 13:34 |
DaemonFC | it's a minor release with a number of important changes | Oct 25 13:35 |
DaemonFC | not a whole new major version though | Oct 25 13:35 |
Mutex_ | I am simply saying windows OS's have different versions, that ARE DIFFERENT VERSION, and Linux has different versions that ARE DIFFERENT VERSIONS too. | Oct 25 13:35 |
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Mutex_ | so why dont I refer to RH 7.1 as Linux 7 ?? | Oct 25 13:36 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't see people screaming that Linux hasn't done anything for 6 years because they're still on version 2.6 | Oct 25 13:36 |
DaemonFC | (2003) | Oct 25 13:36 |
oiaohm | Because if you did Linus would sue your asss off Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:36 |
Mutex_ | for what again ? | Oct 25 13:36 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks | Oct 25 13:36 |
cubezzz | different distro numbering, that's all it is | Oct 25 13:36 |
oiaohm | You cannot put Linux with a version number that does not own to Linux kernel. | Oct 25 13:37 |
Mutex_ | thankyou cubezzz,, dead right. | Oct 25 13:37 |
oiaohm | You must declare full distribution name. | Oct 25 13:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft has always had a friendly marketing name and an NT version number that was hidden a lot deeper | Oct 25 13:37 |
oiaohm | You are aware RH 7.1 runs on solarias without Linux kernel Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:37 |
Mutex_ | but it ok to call Win 7 "vista 7" so you can try to attach some perceived negative conotation from Vista. | Oct 25 13:37 |
Mutex_ | we all know why you do it, but most find it kinda purile. | Oct 25 13:38 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: Ms did the link first. | Oct 25 13:38 |
DaemonFC | 2000 = NT 5, XP = 5.1, 2003/XP x64 = 5.2, Vista/Server 2008 = 6.0, Windows 7/Server 2008 R2 = 6.1 | Oct 25 13:38 |
oiaohm | Vista 7 is just nicer than Vista #2 Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:38 |
Mutex_ | ok, the "he did it first " argument.. L(OL | Oct 25 13:38 |
DaemonFC | Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs was also NT 5.1 oddly enough, even though it was out in 2005 (after NT 5.2 was out), and used the WIM setup format from Vista | Oct 25 13:39 |
oiaohm | Note NT 4.0 before 2000 set kernel matching release number Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:39 |
DaemonFC | I have a copy of that | Oct 25 13:39 |
Mutex_ | oiaohm, whats you're point again ? | Oct 25 13:40 |
cubezzz | btw, what does Sun call the kernel in Solaris? | Oct 25 13:40 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, NT 4 was a ain in the ass, not even worth using | Oct 25 13:40 |
oiaohm | You cannot set one rule then decide to change it latter and not expect people to pick on you for it Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:40 |
DaemonFC | I didn't go NT until Windows 2000 | Oct 25 13:40 |
DaemonFC | *pain | Oct 25 13:40 |
Mutex_ | oiaohm, whats you're point again ? | Oct 25 13:40 |
oiaohm | Ms has 3 major release tags. | Oct 25 13:41 |
oiaohm | Version of Kernel. | Oct 25 13:41 |
oiaohm | year of release | Oct 25 13:41 |
oiaohm | and some made up name. | Oct 25 13:41 |
DaemonFC | NT 4 had no support for hardware accelerated DirectX, Plug & Play was off by default, no USB support at all, it's own driver model, and no compatibility shims if a Windows 9x app wouldn't work | Oct 25 13:41 |
DaemonFC | NT 4 was totally unfit for home use, Windows 2000 changed that | Oct 25 13:41 |
oiaohm | Now MS wants to add a forth with Windows 7 Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:41 |
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Mutex_ | it's clear you call it vista 7 so you can try to attach some negative conotation with Vista, thats why you do it, so why not just admit it and be done with it ?? | Oct 25 13:42 |
Mutex_ | be honest.. for once | Oct 25 13:42 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: do I normally use vista 7 in here. | Oct 25 13:42 |
oiaohm | I normally use windows 7. | Oct 25 13:42 |
Mutex_ | um,,, ALOT do.. | Oct 25 13:42 |
oiaohm | But vista 7 is shorter. | Oct 25 13:42 |
Mutex_ | vista 7 is shorter than Win7 Hmmm. | Oct 25 13:43 |
oiaohm | And Ms called it vista #2 in there adveristing. | Oct 25 13:43 |
Mutex_ | it's funny old world :) | Oct 25 13:43 |
Mutex_ | oh, again with the "he did it first" argument LOL | Oct 25 13:43 |
DaemonFC | I got a craving for biscuits and gravy, crispy bacon on the side, and a black coffee | Oct 25 13:43 |
oiaohm | Win 7 could be a confusing problem in future as well. | Oct 25 13:43 |
Mutex_ | C'mon be honest with yourself, and us.. we know why you do it,,, just admit it | Oct 25 13:43 |
oiaohm | Particually if MS does release a 7.0 kernel Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:44 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, You mean when they do call something NT 7.0? | Oct 25 13:44 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 25 13:44 |
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oiaohm | Its part future protection of documents as well Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:44 |
Mutex_ | sure it is.. | Oct 25 13:44 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, They said Windows 8 would come in about 3 more years | Oct 25 13:44 |
Mutex_ | any more excuses ??? | Oct 25 13:44 |
DaemonFC | I say they'll call it NT 6.2 | Oct 25 13:44 |
cubezzz | what does MIcrosoft call it internally? | Oct 25 13:45 |
cubezzz | just wondering | Oct 25 13:45 |
oiaohm | NT 6.1 cubezzz | Oct 25 13:45 |
oiaohm | Or the mountain code name. | Oct 25 13:45 |
Eruaran | greetings to all | Oct 25 13:45 |
DaemonFC | they tried a long 5 year cycle with all their addon teams latching onto the OS, that turned into Vista | Oct 25 13:46 |
DaemonFC | I don't think we'll see them do that again | Oct 25 13:46 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: How long do schestowitz documents go back. Long enough that it could run into the issue in future. schestowitz cannot call it NT 6.1 workstation because most user would not link that up as Windows 7. | Oct 25 13:47 |
Mutex_ | so what, if they are truthfull and accurate it does not matter, if they are untrue and inaccurate then you have a problem. | Oct 25 13:48 |
oiaohm | If you have duplicate indexing you also have problems Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:48 |
Mutex_ | so you call it "Vista 7 " because that is more clear to everyone than calling it Win 7. Like the REST OF THE WORLD DOES> | Oct 25 13:49 |
Mutex_ | nice logic... you program much do you :) | Oct 25 13:49 |
oiaohm | So they deal with the furture indexing problems. | Oct 25 13:49 |
oiaohm | Or is MS going to stay with NT 6.x for ever. | Oct 25 13:50 |
oiaohm | Or is the NT line dead? | Oct 25 13:50 |
Mutex_ | by confusing the issue now, you expect to make it clear in the future, again we all know why you call it Vista 7 to connect it to Vista, you do it to connect Win 7 with the initial problems with Vista and yet you cant bring yourselves to admit the truth about why you use the term.. when it's clear for all to see. | Oct 25 13:50 |
oiaohm | is not NT 6.0 not connected to NT 6.1 ? | Oct 25 13:51 |
Mutex_ | comeing up with some clap trap about future protection is well,, what do you think it is ? | Oct 25 13:51 |
Eruaran | Just like the Apple ad... Windows 7 is out and you won't have any of the problems you had with the previous version of Windows... "trust me". | Oct 25 13:52 |
oiaohm | You are aware that XP 64 bit is .1 larger than XP Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:53 |
Mutex_ | what ? | Oct 25 13:53 |
oiaohm | Windows 7 is just .1 larger than Vista. | Oct 25 13:54 |
oiaohm | XP is 5.1 XP 64 bit is 5.2 Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:54 |
DavidGerard | Windows $NEXT_VERSION will floor *all* comers | Oct 25 13:54 |
Mutex_ | sorry oiaohm, if I were you I would give up while your behind, you're a touch out of your depth here IMO. | Oct 25 13:54 |
DavidGerard | I am so excited about $NEXT_VERSION of Windows. It will go beyond just solving all of the problems with $CURRENT_VERSION, it will be an entirely new paradigm. | Oct 25 13:55 |
fewa | by definition | Oct 25 13:55 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: there are a lot of reason why its valid to call Windows 7 Vista 7. | Oct 25 13:55 |
DavidGerard | Forget about security problems, those are all fixed in $NEXT_VERSION. | Oct 25 13:55 |
fewa | it will have $DATABASE_FILESYSTEM | Oct 25 13:55 |
DavidGerard | And they’re finally ridding themselves of $ANCIENT_LEGACY_STUFF. | Oct 25 13:55 |
Mutex_ | like what, apart from trying to tie it to Vista's initial problems. | Oct 25 13:55 |
DavidGerard | Also, there’ll be $DATABASE_FILESYSTEM. It’ll be awesome! | Oct 25 13:56 |
DavidGerard | ... I wonder how $NEXT_VERSION will compare to $NEXT_NEXT_VERSION. | Oct 25 13:56 |
zer0c00l | DavidGerard: lol | Oct 25 13:56 |
oiaohm | Also thinking that Vista and Windows 7 suffer from most of the same secruit flaws when they happen as well Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:56 |
Mutex_ | again, we all know why you call it Vista 7 just admit it, please, and we can all forget about it.. but this "denial" is just a joke. | Oct 25 13:56 |
DavidGerard | for your amusement: here's a version put through google translate and back by a web spammer: http://windows.myloger.com/2009/04/19/windows-next_version-miss-elaneous-musings/ | Oct 25 13:56 |
Mutex_ | be honest,, it wont hurt. | Oct 25 13:56 |
DavidGerard | translating two ways is how spammers generate generic text these days | Oct 25 13:56 |
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DavidGerard | less likely to immediately get reported as spam than markov chain output | Oct 25 13:57 |
oiaohm | Basically patched Vista and Windows 7 are basically the same internally other than version number being .1 one different Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:57 |
cubezzz | I'm my own spam filter | Oct 25 13:57 |
cubezzz | I'm fast :) | Oct 25 13:57 |
cubezzz | mutt ftw | Oct 25 13:57 |
oiaohm | there is massive ammounts in common between the two OS's Mutex_. | Oct 25 13:58 |
Mutex_ | and you know that HOW oiaohm ??? you dont,, you like to call it Vista 7 because it suits your brand of hatred for it... and you want to attach it to Vista.... just admit it.... FFS | Oct 25 13:58 |
oiaohm | Number 1 backups to server that merges files between machines Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:58 |
Mutex_ | and whats "in common" between Linux and Linux ??? | Oct 25 13:58 |
oiaohm | So all that is left is the differences between files. | Oct 25 13:59 |
fewa | DavidGerard, Vista should be $CURRENT_VERSION | Oct 25 13:59 |
Mutex_ | still cant admit it can you,,,, just cant form the words... | Oct 25 13:59 |
oiaohm | Between Linux versions the binaries normally don't merge. Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:59 |
*cubezzz notes no one is saying GNU/Linux :) | Oct 25 13:59 | |
oiaohm | Different compliers and built versions. No merge happens Mutex_ | Oct 25 13:59 |
Eruaran | Not all distributions are purely GNU | Oct 25 14:00 |
oiaohm | So yes you sell large numbers of differences Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:00 |
oiaohm | sell/see | Oct 25 14:00 |
fewa | God I want one of those lard sanwiches | Oct 25 14:00 |
Mutex_ | ioaom which brings us all the way back to my origial IQ type question, | Oct 25 14:00 |
DavidGerard | windows 7! new from the tyres down! http://notnews.today.com/2008/10/14/next-windows-to-be-called-windows/windows-7/ | Oct 25 14:00 |
cubezzz | I guess it's easier to just say the kernel name | Oct 25 14:00 |
Mutex_ | Vista is to Win 7 as Linux is to ????? | Oct 25 14:00 |
oiaohm | Can you not type my handle Mutex_? | Oct 25 14:00 |
fewa | Windows lard | Oct 25 14:00 |
DavidGerard | fewa: careful you don't get a Windows 98 burger then | Oct 25 14:01 |
oiaohm | I have answer that completely Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:01 |
cubezzz | is that the burger with 7 beef patties? :) | Oct 25 14:01 |
DavidGerard | http://supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20060125050438458 | Oct 25 14:01 |
DavidGerard | (that's actually a 100-patty burger, but you'll lose count as well as your stomach before you get there) | Oct 25 14:02 |
oiaohm | MS people insult Linux cannot do X without including versions. When talking about Linux kernels you talk about Linux 2.4 or 2.6 depending on what you are doing Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:02 |
cubezzz | hahaha, gross | Oct 25 14:02 |
Mutex_ | so, | Oct 25 14:02 |
fewa | ughhhh DavidGerard , thats gross | Oct 25 14:02 |
oiaohm | Then when you are talking about if distributions can do something you call it that. | Oct 25 14:02 |
oiaohm | You are aware LSB distrobution id system returns what distribution and distributions version you are using. Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:03 |
oiaohm | Independant to Linux kernel Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:03 |
Mutex_ | oiaohm, just admit why you really use the term Vista 7 and be done with it.. .we all know why,, but would like to hear it from YOU... | Oct 25 14:03 |
oiaohm | Particular important that lot of Linux distribitons also can use solarias or freebsd as kernel. | Oct 25 14:03 |
Mutex_ | trying to defend the indefensible is sad. to say the least | Oct 25 14:03 |
fewa | nasty cheese | Oct 25 14:04 |
fewa | I cant eat one slice of that type of non-cheese | Oct 25 14:04 |
cubezzz | and they actually ate it all too | Oct 25 14:04 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: No I don't use Vista 7. I just understand the logic behind those using the term. | Oct 25 14:04 |
Mutex_ | we understand the logic too,, | Oct 25 14:05 |
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Mutex_ | and know why, but think it sad you cant admit it... | Oct 25 14:05 |
zer0c00l | Mutex_: try hard | Oct 25 14:05 |
zer0c00l | lol | Oct 25 14:05 |
oiaohm | The problem I don't see there call as wrong. After doing a binary compare Mutex_. | Oct 25 14:05 |
oiaohm | Because both OS are going to suffer from identical problems. | Oct 25 14:06 |
Mutex_ | sure, you're a programming guru, who can analyse the very function of an operating system by comparing binaries | Oct 25 14:06 |
Mutex_ | wow, you must be amazing !!!! | Oct 25 14:06 |
oiaohm | If they are the same they are the same. | Oct 25 14:06 |
oiaohm | You don't need to be a programming guru to work that out. | Oct 25 14:06 |
oiaohm | two idencical parts in two different OS's provide the same flaw area that simple. | Oct 25 14:07 |
Mutex_ | but they are not the same, and im sure even you can work that out.... geezzz, again why cant you just admit that you call it Vista7 because you hope to attach the negative release of Vista with Win7... thats the REAL reason right,,,, so just admit it.... | Oct 25 14:07 |
oiaohm | Have you done the compare of core parts Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:08 |
Mutex_ | do you actually have Win 7 and Vista installed on any of your machines oiaohm, or are you just making this up. | Oct 25 14:08 |
Mutex_ | I dont need to do anything to know Win 7 is NOT Vista... simple as that,, it's called WIN 7 not freaking Vista 7... and you know it, and you use Vista7 for your own purile ends.... fair enough.. . all that needs to be said on the matter. IMO | Oct 25 14:09 |
oiaohm | None of my personal. Just a work network got one connected to a network with automatic client backups. That only keep 1 copy of files accross all the machines it backing up including core files. | Oct 25 14:10 |
wallc | Mutex, maybe they should both just be called "Mojave"? :) | Oct 25 14:10 |
oiaohm | It clearly showed very few files different Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:10 |
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fewa | Mutex_, its NT 6 | Oct 25 14:10 |
fewa | its the same damn thing | Oct 25 14:10 |
Mutex_ | ok and based on that you make all sorts of amazing assumptions,,, I use Win 7 and vista and they are NOT the same, NO WAY KNOWS. and you know it,, and most people here know it... | Oct 25 14:11 |
fewa | maybe you could go work on making it better, instead of just pretending | Oct 25 14:11 |
Mutex_ | if you dont know it, ,you dont know squat about operating systems | Oct 25 14:11 |
oiaohm | No its not a assumption Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:11 |
fewa | Mojave: getting people to pay money for something that is essentially the same | Oct 25 14:11 |
oiaohm | XP to Vista large numbers of files are different Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Massive thank you to everyone who has come to #oggcamp It's really humbling to see all the effort people go through for it. | Oct 25 14:12 | |
oiaohm | Less files different the more secuirty flaws they will have in common Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:12 |
oiaohm | Same applies to Linux distributions releation ships. | Oct 25 14:12 |
Mutex_ | everyone who uses win 7 and have used vista all say it's different, and you saying they are not is kinda making you look a touch silly... | Oct 25 14:13 |
oiaohm | You can make ubuntus act complete different too by just changing the services loaded Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:13 |
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oiaohm | Not like you really have to change anything major to make it feel different to users Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:14 |
Mutex_ | oh my,,, what a weak argument :) but expected,, no problem | Oct 25 14:14 |
oiaohm | At core level is Kubuntu and Ubuntu different Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:15 |
fewa | KDE vs GNOME | Oct 25 14:15 |
oiaohm | Answer no. | Oct 25 14:15 |
Mutex_ | so what ?? | Oct 25 14:15 |
oiaohm | yet they fell 100 percent different to use Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:15 |
oiaohm | Windows 7 lot of alterations are the same kind of windows dressing. | Oct 25 14:16 |
Mutex_ | oh my you can configure an OS so it's not different to any other OS. | Oct 25 14:16 |
Mutex_ | so I can say Winodws XP is just like Linux then right because I can configure both to look different.. | Oct 25 14:16 |
Mutex_ | sorry, ,im not buying it.. | Oct 25 14:16 |
oiaohm | No Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:16 |
Mutex_ | thats what you said... | Oct 25 14:17 |
oiaohm | Windows XP and Linux have two different cores. | Oct 25 14:17 |
oiaohm | Kubuntu and Ubuntu use the same core. | Oct 25 14:17 |
oiaohm | Vista and windows 7 both basically use the same core. | Oct 25 14:17 |
Mutex_ | and yet they are two separate products, | Oct 25 14:17 |
ThistleWeb | I see someone woke up with the wrong undies on this morning | Oct 25 14:17 |
Mutex_ | so why call Win 7 ... Vista 7 | Oct 25 14:17 |
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oiaohm | Yet people call kubuntu and ubuntu both ubuntu Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:18 |
Mutex_ | you dont call Kubuntu,,, ubuntu do you ?? | Oct 25 14:18 |
oiaohm | Because the ubuntu dvd contains kubuntu Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:18 |
Mutex_ | so if someone else is missinformed and WRONG it's ok for you to be as well ? | Oct 25 14:18 |
Mutex_ | thats your justification ? | Oct 25 14:18 |
ThistleWeb | time and a half on sundays Mutex? | Oct 25 14:19 |
Mutex_ | again, oiaohm, mabey you are not the right person for this debate. | Oct 25 14:19 |
oiaohm | Also Kubuntu and Ubuntu use the same repo for patches. | Oct 25 14:19 |
oiaohm | To patch the same files. | Oct 25 14:19 |
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oiaohm | So have the same secuirty flaws. | Oct 25 14:19 |
oiaohm | So when tracking security issues they are the same Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:19 |
Mutex_ | again, oiaohm, what your saying supports MY case | Oct 25 14:19 |
oiaohm | Vista and Windows 7 have the same thing. | Oct 25 14:20 |
oiaohm | Same security flaws. | Oct 25 14:20 |
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oiaohm | So why not call them something to same to remind you they are Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:20 |
wallc | I remember when Vista (didn't they call it Longhorn in development?) was in process. MS said it was all going to be different, and it took them, what, five years to finish Vista? But Mojave/7 just sort of jumped out the door fully grown...hmmmm | Oct 25 14:21 |
Mutex_ | so we can call every version of Linux Ubuntu ??? is that ok with you / | Oct 25 14:21 |
Mutex_ | >?? | Oct 25 14:21 |
Mutex_ | or every version of Linux SUSE ?? | Oct 25 14:21 |
oiaohm | If they are ubuntu based yes Mutex_ and I am fine with that. | Oct 25 14:21 |
Mutex_ | you fine with that ?? | Oct 25 14:21 |
ThistleWeb | wallc: it's in any business'es interests to tell you whatver they think they have to, to get you to open your wallet for little new benefit | Oct 25 14:21 |
Mutex_ | whenever we refer to linux we should say SUSE instead | Oct 25 14:22 |
oiaohm | If they are SUSE based I would be fine as well Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:22 |
Mutex_ | ok, im fine with that. | Oct 25 14:22 |
ThistleWeb | they only care that you buy the new version | Oct 25 14:22 |
oiaohm | No because not all are SUSE base Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:22 |
ThistleWeb | not how you feel about it, or if it is value for money for you | Oct 25 14:22 |
Mutex_ | they are all Linux kernal based, so they are the same thing right ?>? | Oct 25 14:22 |
oiaohm | If talking about a set SUSE based no problems Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:22 |
Mutex_ | thats your argument. | Oct 25 14:22 |
oiaohm | No it is not Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:23 |
ThistleWeb | as long as they convince you enough not to return it as a fraud it's all good | Oct 25 14:23 |
oiaohm | Most of the services and kernel are identical Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:23 |
Mutex_ | well why did you say it then ?? | Oct 25 14:23 |
oiaohm | In windows 7 | Oct 25 14:23 |
willimm | Acualy, there are a few major groups of Linux distros. There are the Debian based ones, of which Ubuntu and it's deravitaves are based on, and RPM based distros, which include Fedora and it's deratives, and OpenSUSE, Slackware and Slackware based, and Sourced baced. | Oct 25 14:23 |
oiaohm | and vista | Oct 25 14:23 |
Mutex_ | if you can have different versions of Linux with the same core linux you can have different versions of windows, with different kernels in it.... as they do.. | Oct 25 14:23 |
oiaohm | Very much like the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu that do get called the same for secuirty tracking Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:23 |
Mutex_ | you're digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole here. give up while you're behind. | Oct 25 14:24 |
oiaohm | Mutex_: you are wanting to skip the fact they are highly the same. | Oct 25 14:24 |
oiaohm | Just because something has a Linux kernel does not mean anything above that is releated. | Oct 25 14:24 |
Mutex_ | you are wanting to ignore the fact that SUSE is Linux and Ubuntu is Linux, and Debian is Linux,, but they are all different right or wrong... | Oct 25 14:25 |
oiaohm | Like android and ubuntu nothing at all in common in the userspace. yet both can have the same version kernel number. | Oct 25 14:25 |
Mutex_ | where do you stand on this... make yourself clear. | Oct 25 14:25 |
schestowitz | Bulgaria Cabinet Short of Cash to Pay for Microsoft Deal http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=109045 | Oct 25 14:25 |
oiaohm | Kernel alone common does not cause huge common ality of secuirty bugs. Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:26 |
Mutex_ | sorry, oiaohm, I tire of this circular argument, you have no point to get across.. | Oct 25 14:26 |
oiaohm | It the level of commonality is far higher than just linux kernel that is shared between distributions. | Oct 25 14:26 |
oiaohm | that vista and windows 7 has. | Oct 25 14:26 |
oiaohm | If you wanted the same as linux kernel in Linux distributions have in commonality you could say everything from NT 3.0 to NT 6.1 are the same Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:27 |
oiaohm | Yes they are that wildly different at the Linux kernel level. Due to different kernel options. | Oct 25 14:28 |
wallc | oiaohm, did mutex ever explain why he thinks Vista and Seven are different? | Oct 25 14:33 |
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oiaohm | No he did not wallc | Oct 25 14:34 |
Mutex_ | HAAH,, how's your r | Oct 25 14:34 |
wallc | That's what I thought. | Oct 25 14:34 |
Mutex_ | "reading and comprehension".. | Oct 25 14:34 |
wallc | How's yours? | Oct 25 14:35 |
Mutex_ | so by your logic, Ubuntu and SUSE are the same, so we should call Linux "SUSE" then... | Oct 25 14:35 |
oiaohm | No I did not say that. Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:35 |
Mutex_ | better than most here by the looks :) | Oct 25 14:35 |
Mutex_ | yes, you did... | Oct 25 14:35 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu and SUSE use two different kernels. | Oct 25 14:35 |
Mutex_ | so how your SUSE going on your machine ??? | Oct 25 14:35 |
Mutex_ | or should it be SUSE 2 | Oct 25 14:35 |
oiaohm | So you say that ever version from windows 3.0 to windows 7.0 are the same Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:36 |
Mutex_ | no i dont, I say they are all different... keep digging,, (but DIG UP) | Oct 25 14:36 |
oiaohm | Because that is what you are trying to claim Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:36 |
oiaohm | The difference between SUSE and Ubuntu is that huge. | Oct 25 14:36 |
Mutex_ | no im saying they are different and you should not call them the same. | Oct 25 14:36 |
oiaohm | Windows 7 and Vista are about the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:37 |
Mutex_ | you try to twist it around, but you lost this argument hours ago, all your doing now is entrenching your losing position... but thats your right, you are free to do that. | Oct 25 14:37 |
oiaohm | Same basic kernel few tweeks. | Oct 25 14:37 |
oiaohm | Same basic services | Oct 25 14:37 |
oiaohm | Just few more or a few less running. | Oct 25 14:37 |
Mutex_ | ok, and that does not apply to the Linux world oiaohm ?? | Oct 25 14:37 |
oiaohm | Different graphical. | Oct 25 14:37 |
Mutex_ | youre now arguing MY case,,, LOL,, thanks for that. | Oct 25 14:38 |
oiaohm | Particular zones of the Linux world it applies. | Oct 25 14:38 |
oiaohm | and its critical to know for secuirty reasons. | Oct 25 14:38 |
oiaohm | Ie ubuntu gets a flaw suspect kubuntu machines and releation of having it. | Oct 25 14:38 |
oiaohm | You might as well call the ubuntu. | Oct 25 14:38 |
oiaohm | the/them | Oct 25 14:39 |
Mutex_ | give it up,,, you lost, but thats ok,, just dont make it worse. | Oct 25 14:39 |
oiaohm | Vista and Windows 7 are basically blood releations. | Oct 25 14:39 |
oiaohm | Very little difference between them. | Oct 25 14:39 |
oiaohm | Yet look different. | Oct 25 14:39 |
oiaohm | XP would be a distance cousin. | Oct 25 14:40 |
wallc | I think Mutex just admitted that the difference between Vista and 7 is merely graphical... | Oct 25 14:40 |
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Mutex_ | I did no such thing, clearing it far more different than that, | Oct 25 14:41 |
Mutex_ | but nice try... | Oct 25 14:41 |
oiaohm | List the differences then Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:41 |
ThistleWeb | Mutex_: is here paid to argue | Oct 25 14:42 |
ThistleWeb | why bother arguing with him? | Oct 25 14:42 |
wallc | Mutex,, oiaohm said the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu was merely graphical, and you said he just argued your case....hmmm | Oct 25 14:42 |
Mutex_ | why bother, we all know it's differrent,, even im sure you, but again, just admit you call it Vista 7 to attach some percieved negative conotation with Vista... | Oct 25 14:42 |
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Mutex_ | the guard dogs are forming a pack.. LOL | Oct 25 14:43 |
oiaohm | DO we all know that Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:43 |
oiaohm | From a secuirty point of view they are not different Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:43 |
oiaohm | At least not enough to be treated as independant. | Oct 25 14:43 |
Mutex_ | listening to what you said last night about your "security" experience, coming from you that does not mean anything.. | Oct 25 14:43 |
wallc | Lol! Me? A guard dog? | Oct 25 14:44 |
oiaohm | Of course attack me. Not like I would say everything I do. | Oct 25 14:45 |
Mutex_ | mabey a guard pup... | Oct 25 14:45 |
Mutex_ | who just ate a bird :) | Oct 25 14:45 |
oiaohm | Basically you cannot document the differences so you have to attack me Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:46 |
Mutex_ | you may not "say everything you do" but what you DID say was enough :) | Oct 25 14:46 |
Mutex_ | Ive never seen a purple duck either, does not mean they dont exist.. | Oct 25 14:46 |
Mutex_ | you cant prove a negative,, you should know that from debating 101 | Oct 25 14:47 |
oiaohm | So you cannot prove that Vista and Windows 7 are truely different Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:47 |
Mutex_ | ofcourse I can,, easily,, everyone can.. you cant ?? wow,, so sad | Oct 25 14:48 |
oiaohm | Other than surface level. | Oct 25 14:48 |
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oiaohm | Do vista and Windows 7 use the same drivers yes the do. Do they use the same services with same version numbers that are binary identical yes they do. Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:49 |
oiaohm | Most of Windows 7 is cleaning up the stuff that was annoying the hell out of Users. | Oct 25 14:49 |
Mutex_ | actually now you mention it, Win 7 and Vista use different drivers, kind of screws up your argument then, dosnt it.. LOL | Oct 25 14:49 |
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wallc | Thistleweb, I'm sorry I didn't answer you earlier (I was busy reading and comprehending), but I think it's important to answer these types of arguments. | Oct 25 14:50 |
oiaohm | Only in smaller areas Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:50 |
Mutex_ | small areas like THE VIDEO DRIVER LOL | Oct 25 14:50 |
wallc | people like me can learn from them. | Oct 25 14:50 |
Mutex_ | so you admit they are different now... good now where getting somewhere | Oct 25 14:50 |
ThistleWeb | wallc: yeah, one thing about a channel like this posting it's logs, is that Mutex_ and others can show their bosses they've been working | Oct 25 14:50 |
oiaohm | Is video driver network exposed or external device exposed. | Oct 25 14:50 |
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oiaohm | Also what is the main difference in the video driver Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:51 |
wallc | yes, I've wondered if that was why, otherwise such persistance makes no sense. | Oct 25 14:51 |
oiaohm | Little wrapper connecting direct X 11 | Oct 25 14:51 |
Mutex_ | I said they were different, try to spin that how you like, they are different and therefore Win 7 and Vista are different, you cant work that out oiaohm ??? | Oct 25 14:51 |
Mutex_ | Really ?? you cant ??? | Oct 25 14:51 |
Mutex_ | I would like to know.. ? | Oct 25 14:52 |
oiaohm | Yet a vista dx 10 driver works. | Oct 25 14:52 |
ThistleWeb | he's here to argue, the more it continues, the happier he is | Oct 25 14:52 |
oiaohm | Stacks are not radically different Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:52 |
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ThistleWeb | after lying to schestowitz that he'd not be an asshat too | Oct 25 14:52 |
Mutex_ | I said I tired of this circular argument, (that I won ages ago), but oiaohm could not drop it, and continued to dig himself deeper into his hole. | Oct 25 14:53 |
oiaohm | Ie Vista driver can be on Windows 7 for video A window 7 driver cannot been on vista mostly because DX11 is missing Mutex_ | Oct 25 14:53 |
wallc | oiaohm obviously has a great deal of patience - I didn't know that mutex had made that promise. | Oct 25 14:53 |
Mutex_ | No wrong, a Vista driver on Win 7 will crash it,, I know,, | Oct 25 14:53 |
Mutex_ | but the Win 7 driver works perfectly. | Oct 25 14:54 |
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Mutex_ | two different drivers for 2 differnt Os's,, Ipso Fatso,,, I win.. :) OEF. | Oct 25 14:54 |
oiaohm | You mean blue screen of death ATI driver Mutex_? | Oct 25 14:54 |
schestowitz | [14:40] <wallc> I think Mutex just admitted that the difference between Vista and 7 is merely graphical... | Oct 25 14:54 |
schestowitz | Yes, different wallpapers and splashscreens | Oct 25 14:54 |
wallc | mutex, *what*, exactly have you "won"?? | Oct 25 14:55 |
Mutex_ | acutally No roy I did not admit that, I said they were different,, that means they are not the same... | Oct 25 14:55 |
oiaohm | Yes memory protection enabled in windows 7 made it kick toe. Same as what was in server version. | Oct 25 14:55 |
Mutex_ | not the same,,, generally means they are different.. | Oct 25 14:55 |
oiaohm | You can enable same memory protection in Vista Mutex_ just messy. | Oct 25 14:55 |
Mutex_ | but thanks for weighing on in Roy :) | Oct 25 14:56 |
schestowitz | Thanks form trolling. We needed more species here. | Oct 25 14:56 |
Mutex_ | you sure do :) and your welcome,, ,anytime.. | Oct 25 14:57 |
wallc | Roy, did you have a lot of problems with the table graphics in the last Comes exhibit? | Oct 25 14:57 |
wallc | You did a good job with it. | Oct 25 14:57 |
oiaohm | I guess you did not suspect that the driver that crassed Windows 7 was defective even for vista just has not been pushed the right way yet. | Oct 25 14:58 |
Mutex_ | no i did not suspect that,, because thats was not the case.. but thanks for asking.. | Oct 25 14:58 |
oiaohm | NVIDIA not liking 6.1 version number and going bad path leading to OS death. | Oct 25 14:59 |
oiaohm | There were quite a few little glitches shown up by the windows 7. | Oct 25 15:00 |
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fewa | you cant have a successful OS without major hardware | Oct 25 15:07 |
fewa | esp when it is a regression | Oct 25 15:07 |
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TheMadHatter | Good morning! | Oct 25 15:29 |
TheMadHatter | Roy? | Oct 25 15:30 |
TheMadHatter | OK, be back later. | Oct 25 15:33 |
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schestowitz | Hey | Oct 25 15:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/digital/e3i18f9fdff77fbe36078538eaf68dfd068 | Oct 25 15:38 |
schestowitz | He's one among seevral | Oct 25 15:46 |
schestowitz | Shades of the Yahoo! coup | Oct 25 15:46 |
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schestowitz | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522777 | Oct 25 15:57 |
schestowitz | http://gov2summit.blip.tv/file/2605719/ | Oct 25 15:58 |
schestowitz | Gov 2.0 Summit 09: John Markoff, "Creating an Effective Platform" http://blip.tv/file/2592172 | Oct 25 16:00 |
fewa | Meeting of the bullshitters | Oct 25 16:01 |
schestowitz | Which one? | Oct 25 16:02 |
schestowitz | Cerf is OK | Oct 25 16:02 |
schestowitz | I don't like Markoff. He boosts the Microsoft myths in NYT | Oct 25 16:02 |
fewa | Seriously that guy comes from the same NY Times that releases copyright wringer articles | Oct 25 16:03 |
fewa | that just disparage wikipedia | Oct 25 16:03 |
fewa | unfairly | Oct 25 16:03 |
fewa | virt cerf is ok | Oct 25 16:03 |
schestowitz | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2009-October/000126.html | Oct 25 16:03 |
fewa | but he highly hypes his past role and importance | Oct 25 16:03 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 25 16:03 |
schestowitz | I just had a phone cov about it | Oct 25 16:04 |
schestowitz | *conv | Oct 25 16:04 |
schestowitz | An argument over Wikipedia | Oct 25 16:04 |
schestowitz | It's being slimed to death | Oct 25 16:04 |
schestowitz | By newspapers and teachers | Oct 25 16:04 |
fewa | they hate it cause its competition | Oct 25 16:04 |
schestowitz | And I end up saying that there is a conflict of interests and that newspapers do have an agenda (i.e. they lie) | Oct 25 16:04 |
schestowitz | Try telling this to a society's 'cube' | Oct 25 16:04 |
schestowitz | [16:03] <fewa> but he highly hypes his past role and importance | Oct 25 16:05 |
fewa | most of the "criticisms" about wikipedia are even woorse in the "news" | Oct 25 16:05 |
schestowitz | Could you elaborate? | Oct 25 16:05 |
schestowitz | I know he wanted to be a film star | Oct 25 16:05 |
fewa | hmm | Oct 25 16:05 |
schestowitz | Wales is also of this kind | Oct 25 16:05 |
schestowitz | He takes too much credit for Wikipedia | Oct 25 16:05 |
fewa | Wales distorts the history | Oct 25 16:05 |
schestowitz | So Sagner (was it him?) is pissed off, still | Oct 25 16:05 |
fewa | funny thing, however, is that wikis dont forget | Oct 25 16:05 |
fewa | not just sanger | Oct 25 16:06 |
fewa | also the guy that created the idea | Oct 25 16:06 |
fewa | its on meatballwiki | Oct 25 16:06 |
schestowitz | Wales did a Huffington piece responding to the FUD last month | Oct 25 16:06 |
fewa | the real history | Oct 25 16:06 |
schestowitz | I see.. | Oct 25 16:06 |
schestowitz | hAlstory | Oct 25 16:06 |
fewa | not even Sanger | Oct 25 16:07 |
fewa | maybe this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Cunningham | Oct 25 16:09 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/10/22/law-blog-legal-concept-of-the-day-defamation/ | Oct 25 16:11 |
schestowitz | Yes, I know | Oct 25 16:11 |
schestowitz | He was on FLOSS Weekly | Oct 25 16:11 |
schestowitz | And he spoke about his ideas | Oct 25 16:11 |
schestowitz | Not taking much credit for Wikipedia, though | Oct 25 16:11 |
schestowitz | I listened to him 1-2 weeks ago | Oct 25 16:11 |
fewa | still doesn't seem like the guy i landed on last time i dug through this | Oct 25 16:12 |
schestowitz | http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/10/why-google-and-bings-twitter-a.html | Oct 25 16:14 |
fewa | here we go: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?BenKovitz | Oct 25 16:14 |
schestowitz | fewa: in short, shoulders and giants :-) | Oct 25 16:14 |
schestowitz | Basically it goes like this: | Oct 25 16:14 |
schestowitz | Wikipedia did not popularise Wikis | Oct 25 16:14 |
schestowitz | It wasn't even a wiki originally | Oct 25 16:14 |
fewa | its kinda irrelevent | Oct 25 16:14 |
schestowitz | They just thought a better editing platform | Oct 25 16:15 |
schestowitz | It grew fast | Oct 25 16:15 |
schestowitz | And it was started by several people | Oct 25 16:15 |
fewa | but debunding jimbo's fantasy is important | Oct 25 16:15 |
schestowitz | Wales was doing other Web stuff prior to it | Oct 25 16:15 |
schestowitz | Some dubious stuff | Oct 25 16:15 |
fewa | like porn sites | Oct 25 16:15 |
schestowitz | fewa: he profits from this fantasy | Oct 25 16:15 |
schestowitz | Well-paid public talks and all | Oct 25 16:15 |
fewa | and making money of the forex market | Oct 25 16:15 |
schestowitz | fewa: yes, pr0n too | Oct 25 16:15 |
fewa | hes such a bullshitter | Oct 25 16:16 |
schestowitz | He hates it when people bring it up | Oct 25 16:16 |
fewa | if you see a vid of him on the street or something | Oct 25 16:16 |
schestowitz | TheStreet? | Oct 25 16:16 |
schestowitz | Or... | Oct 25 16:16 |
fewa | he is like: "do you know who i am?" "do you know what wikipedia is?...well I started it" | Oct 25 16:16 |
fewa | idk, i saw some vid from like india or something | Oct 25 16:16 |
schestowitz | Heh. | Oct 25 16:16 |
schestowitz | Well, he maybe started some | Oct 25 16:16 |
schestowitz | But hundreds of thousands of people did the work | Oct 25 16:17 |
fewa | he really likes his identity | Oct 25 16:17 |
fewa | its not just economics | Oct 25 16:17 |
schestowitz | But many people feel ownership of the Wiki | Oct 25 16:17 |
schestowitz | Creative Commons | Oct 25 16:17 |
fewa | http://nathanr.ca/internet/wikipedia/how-wikipedia-got-jimmy-wales-laid/ | Oct 25 16:17 |
schestowitz | Walesopedia | Oct 25 16:17 |
schestowitz | The restaurant fiasco.. | Oct 25 16:17 |
fewa | anyways, enough | Oct 25 16:17 |
schestowitz | I think he took out this news anchor with donation funds | Oct 25 16:18 |
schestowitz | But anyway... | Oct 25 16:18 |
schestowitz | I like Wales | Oct 25 16:18 |
fewa | I dont like attacking people | Oct 25 16:18 |
schestowitz | He also started Wikia | Oct 25 16:18 |
fewa | but I do like a little reality | Oct 25 16:18 |
schestowitz | Which become some weird directory :-S | Oct 25 16:18 |
schestowitz | *became | Oct 25 16:18 |
schestowitz | After failing as a search business | Oct 25 16:18 |
fewa | not just directory | Oct 25 16:18 |
schestowitz | Ouch @ http://nathanr.ca/internet/wikipedia/how-wikipedia-got-jimmy-wales-laid/ | Oct 25 16:19 |
fewa | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jul/31/wikipedia | Oct 25 16:19 |
schestowitz | http://legalblogwatch.typepad.com/legal_blog_watch/2009/10/bloomberg-takes-on-wexis-with-new-research-service.htmll | Oct 25 16:22 |
fewa | wikia shows importance of having your own domain | Oct 25 16:23 |
schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Oct 25 16:23 |
fewa | cause the way google works it is very hard to fork | Oct 25 16:24 |
fewa | as google will delist the fork | Oct 25 16:24 |
schestowitz | Cuil too is still around | Oct 25 16:24 |
schestowitz | Knol is dead | Oct 25 16:24 |
fewa | law | Oct 25 16:24 |
schestowitz | The Google "Wikipedia killah!" | Oct 25 16:24 |
fewa | those were dead before they launched | Oct 25 16:24 |
fewa | obviously | Oct 25 16:24 |
*schestowitz nods | Oct 25 16:25 | |
schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10378653-62.html | Oct 25 16:25 |
schestowitz | I'm very happy w/ how v7 launch turned out | Oct 25 16:25 |
schestowitz | I have some good posts on it | Oct 25 16:25 |
schestowitz | http://piana.eu/sun | Oct 25 16:26 |
schestowitz | Turns out MS is lobbying on the oracle case | Oct 25 16:26 |
schestowitz | the fiends | Oct 25 16:26 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, this TV tuner card has a cable that snakes all over the case of my old PC | Oct 25 16:26 |
schestowitz | Williams & Connolly Sues Client for $2 Million http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/10/williams-connolly-sues-client-for-2-million-.html | Oct 25 16:26 |
DaemonFC | I can't even tell where it's going | Oct 25 16:27 |
fewa | there was tons of hype in yahoo answers' | Oct 25 16:27 |
fewa | which looked ligitimate | Oct 25 16:27 |
schestowitz | I see that some BN regulars cite BN here :-) -> http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/15/microsofts-pinkdanger-backup-problem-blamed-on-roz-ho/#more-3877 | Oct 25 16:28 |
schestowitz | Yahoo Answers censored Linux and BSD | Oct 25 16:28 |
schestowitz | Sorts of | Oct 25 16:29 |
schestowitz | The mods did | Oct 25 16:29 |
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fewa | it was like: wtf is this? | Oct 25 16:29 |
fewa | but there were mentions | Oct 25 16:29 |
schestowitz | http://howappealing.law.com/ | Oct 25 16:29 |
schestowitz | http://leanlitigation.typepad.com/weltman/2009/05/if-it-is-too-good-to-be-true-lessons-from-madoff-and-mr-ponzi.html | Oct 25 16:31 |
schestowitz | "The modus operandi also is eerily similar - the perpetrator creates a special aura about himself and his investment scheme [this is not intended to be sexist but from my experience most Ponzi operators have been men] and then finds the right marks to prey upon. The bigger the scheme the more elaborate is the marketing aperatus - with the perpetrator..." | Oct 25 16:31 |
schestowitz | "...enlisting the aid of various third parties, be they broker-dealers, financial advisors or other intermediaries [who are always well compensated]. The basic theme is also the same - the perpetrator has some special insight that allows him to create better than market returns. Why? Because, in the absence of better than market returns, there is no reason to invest. | Oct 25 16:32 |
fewa | schestowitz, http://www.nber.org/~wbuiter/AIG.pdf | Oct 25 16:32 |
fewa | thats the real Ponzi scheme | Oct 25 16:33 |
fewa | planning for being too big to fail | Oct 25 16:33 |
fewa | designing for maximum profit with maximum change for government bailout | Oct 25 16:34 |
fewa | *chance | Oct 25 16:34 |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 | Oct 25 16:34 |
schestowitz | "[PJ: I use Fedora, and I've been willing to wait for this as long as it took, so I'm very excited about this news.] " | Oct 25 16:34 |
schestowitz | I didn't know PJ has left Mandriva | Oct 25 16:34 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I switched off the TV, when dhoni got out; Just knew that india lost only by 4 runs; Missed bhaji and pkumar's lol innings ; :( | Oct 25 16:34 | |
schestowitz | I only use Fedora for experiment | Oct 25 16:34 |
schestowitz | fewa: thanks, bookmarked | Oct 25 16:35 |
schestowitz | I'll also watch those other vids later | Oct 25 16:35 |
schestowitz | I have some good post ideas for tomorrow | Oct 25 16:35 |
fewa | like look at page 8 | Oct 25 16:36 |
schestowitz | Beck is an idiot: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_free_speech_lawyer_Marc_Randazza_discusses_Glenn_Beck_parody | Oct 25 16:36 |
schestowitz | he's attracting even MORE attention to that site !! | Oct 25 16:36 |
schestowitz | He should know better and stay out | Oct 25 16:36 |
fewa | yes | Oct 25 16:37 |
schestowitz | fewa: in Daily Links I now have banking fraud section | Oct 25 16:37 |
fewa | the beck==entertainer cover is broken | Oct 25 16:37 |
fewa | like the other faux news suit | Oct 25 16:37 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_v._Franken | Oct 25 16:38 |
fewa | the network contended that it had been irreparably harmed by the publicity surrounding Franken's use of the phrase "fair and balanced" on the preliminary cover of Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, the network contended that it had been irreparably harmed by the publicity surrounding Franken's use of the phrase "fair and balanced" on the preliminary cover of Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, | Oct 25 16:38 |
fewa | ""In response, Franken joked that he had trademarked the word "funny", and that Fox had infringed his intellectual property rights by characterizing him as "unfunny." "" | Oct 25 16:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/oct/23/craigslist | Oct 25 16:38 |
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schestowitz | fewa: :-) | Oct 25 16:39 |
fewa | schestowitz, yes i saw that | Oct 25 16:39 |
fewa | good news for 47 USC, S 230 of communications decency act | Oct 25 16:40 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act | Oct 25 16:40 |
schestowitz | brin also has a Mac? http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559635/chrome-mac-slow | Oct 25 16:43 |
schestowitz | Blech. It gets damp just as I'm about to leave. | Oct 25 16:43 |
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schestowitz | I gotta go now | Oct 25 16:50 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Delicious ircony that @dickturpin won an Ubuntu laptop back in the raffle at #oggcamp | Oct 25 16:53 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] /me uses bitlbee, inspired by @abbe ; @abbe ports OTR support for bitlbee 1.2.4 :D | Oct 25 16:59 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Msg from Arun->emacs-erc->bitlbee->identi.ca->facebook & twitter lol | Oct 25 17:49 | |
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zer0c00l | what happened to identi.ca bot? | Oct 25 17:55 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Good-bye emacs-jabber! welcome bitlbee! !emacs | Oct 25 17:59 | |
zer0c00l | AAAH it there ^^ | Oct 25 18:00 |
zer0c00l | s/it/its | Oct 25 18:01 |
zer0c00l | Mutex_: is quiet now? weird! | Oct 25 18:01 |
zer0c00l | :P | Oct 25 18:01 |
zer0c00l | where is oiahm | Oct 25 18:04 |
Mutex_ | im quite because i said what I needed to say, I won my argument/ debate, ioaohm, is probably licking his wounds. | Oct 25 18:10 |
zer0c00l | Mutex_: oh | Oct 25 18:11 |
zer0c00l | Mutex_: Why fight? | Oct 25 18:11 |
zer0c00l | Mutex_: Cool | Oct 25 18:11 |
Mutex_ | exactly :) | Oct 25 18:11 |
zer0c00l | Mutex_: Too much argument is good for nothing; | Oct 25 18:12 |
Mutex_ | thats right, thats why I decided oiaohm had dug a big enough hole, so I left it at that. there is no need to flog a dead horse. | Oct 25 18:13 |
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DaemonFC | it's really only one application that I'm extremely reluctant to leave behind, that's Windows Live Messenger | Oct 25 18:47 |
DaemonFC | it's funny how software that's far more complicated (like office suites) have suitable FOSS versions, but messenger apps don't | Oct 25 18:47 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_qa_linux&num=1 | Oct 25 18:57 |
DaemonFC | NVIDIA Developer Talks Openly About Linux Support | Oct 25 18:57 |
DaemonFC | I no longer have anything that uses an Nvidia GPU | Oct 25 18:58 |
DaemonFC | my desktop, laptop, and the XBOX 360 all use ATI | Oct 25 18:58 |
DaemonFC | I got frustrated with Nvidia on many levels, I'll probably write about it at some point in detail | Oct 25 19:01 |
DaemonFC | The biggest single technical problem with Nvidia's driver is that the installer is not user friendly, it requires you to make X shut down which is not always easy, if it bombs out for any of 100 reasons, the errors are unhelpful, and you have to redo everything each time you rebuild a kernel. | Oct 25 19:02 |
DaemonFC | Having an Nvidia card on Linux puts you on a very short leash, and sometimes stops you from building your own kernel or even using development kernels, sometimes even final release kernels for weeks until Nvidia catches up | Oct 25 19:03 |
DaemonFC | It's like, here's 95% of your hardware that the kernel supports and you never have to think about, and here's one device with a horribly conceived installer for an out of tree driver that doubles the work needed to run your own kernel | Oct 25 19:04 |
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schestowitz | OK, back to news :-) | Oct 25 19:45 |
schestowitz | It was too damp for a run, so I went swimming | Oct 25 19:55 |
schestowitz | More kicking around of the GPL: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=1426 | Oct 25 19:55 |
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schestowitz | " | Oct 25 20:01 |
schestowitz | techwizrd | Oct 25 20:01 |
schestowitz | Oct 25 20:01 | |
schestowitz | @balleyne: Well, then FOSS needs to figure out how to make money. !fsf !gnu !ubuntu | Oct 25 20:01 |
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schestowitz | " | Oct 25 20:01 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12831362 | Oct 25 20:01 |
schestowitz | They start the whole "GPL won't make money" debate | Oct 25 20:02 |
schestowitz | Forgetting RHT for instance | Oct 25 20:02 |
_goblin | @MicrosoftHelps Please help, Ive been throwing chairs around the office, can Mr Ballmer recommend a good anger management course? | Oct 25 20:03 |
schestowitz | Did he go to one? | Oct 25 20:04 |
schestowitz | I think I read about it | Oct 25 20:04 |
schestowitz | Or maybe it was just RMS | Oct 25 20:04 |
_goblin | dont know. | Oct 25 20:04 |
schestowitz | http://www.searchenginejournal.com/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-fcking-kill-google/2156/ | Oct 25 20:04 |
_goblin | they seem reluctant to answer the linux question. | Oct 25 20:05 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=ballmer+takes+%22anger+management%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Oct 25 20:05 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's just Madonna then.. and RMS | Oct 25 20:05 |
schestowitz | Why be angry when you can sing... the Google Hubris Song, aka "How Many Chairs?" | Oct 25 20:06 |
schestowitz | Google is almost the size of MSFT, cap-wise | Oct 25 20:07 |
schestowitz | Apple too is close | Oct 25 20:07 |
schestowitz | Almost $200bn | Oct 25 20:07 |
schestowitz | Not that these valuations mean much | Oct 25 20:07 |
schestowitz | And they make too little | Oct 25 20:07 |
schestowitz | The real big companies are int he far east | Oct 25 20:07 |
schestowitz | 1 million employees per company, making real hardware in factories | Oct 25 20:07 |
schestowitz | Even Apple does not make its hardwae | Oct 25 20:08 |
schestowitz | It just sends the jobs (not Jobs) over to Foxconn and others | Oct 25 20:08 |
schestowitz | Matter of time 'till' the Chinese also manage design, not just manufacturing | Oct 25 20:08 |
schestowitz | Then they need to fight the oppressors via the ITC, WTO and other front groups for American business and national domination by Western nations | Oct 25 20:09 |
schestowitz | WHy should Nike pocket for labour in Vietnam? | Oct 25 20:09 |
schestowitz | They should own their labour and their factories | Oct 25 20:09 |
schestowitz | But success is valued in terms of wealth in the west and as long as the rich exec does not see the hungry overworked family (+kids) who work in the factory 15 hrs/day making shoes to make him/her rich, there's no guilt | Oct 25 20:10 |
schestowitz | Bliss in wealth (and ignorance wrt externalities) , not in morality | Oct 25 20:10 |
schestowitz | popey: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-24-005-35-NW-UB-0001 | Oct 25 20:14 |
schestowitz | Also on Rory: | Oct 25 20:14 |
schestowitz | "Wow, he gave Ubuntu all of 24 hrs? He throws up his hands when he can't get one particular app to work in 2 minutes. Can't be bothered to listen to advice and try it? Can't be bothered to try alternative apps? Sees no joy but rather intimidation at a slightly different look and feel? Wow, what a gentle, stately life this guy must lead..." | Oct 25 20:14 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-24-005-35-NW-UB-0000 | Oct 25 20:14 |
schestowitz | Those people who do not /want/ Linux to succeed will never like it, either | Oct 25 20:14 |
cubezzz | maybe this is old but... | Oct 25 20:14 |
cubezzz | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System.gif | Oct 25 20:14 |
schestowitz | http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014283o-2000498448b,00.htm | Oct 25 20:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Someone has just brought to my attention http://ping.fm/8YNtB Classic! | Oct 25 20:18 | |
schestowitz | cubezzz: ^ | Oct 25 20:18 |
Mutex_ | what would be the term you would call someone who is against capitalism ?? | Oct 25 20:19 |
cubezzz | anarchist is one | Oct 25 20:20 |
schestowitz | `Libertarian. | Oct 25 20:20 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: it's a troll. | Oct 25 20:20 |
schestowitz | I don't know why it's even kept around | Oct 25 20:20 |
schestowitz | He obviously sticks around just to mock and daemonise | Oct 25 20:20 |
schestowitz | As always | Oct 25 20:20 |
cubezzz | ok, I'm not really against capitalism myself, let me clarify | Oct 25 20:21 |
schestowitz | Mutex_: would you like some toilet paper? You know, to keep you cushy while you sh*t around this IRC channel? | Oct 25 20:21 |
Mutex_ | of course, but it seems mocking and deamonising is common here, so why not, it's not like im abusing anyone or making personal attacks. | Oct 25 20:21 |
cubezzz | I'm in favour of regulated capitalism | Oct 25 20:21 |
Mutex_ | im sorry if you find my simple questions confronting. | Oct 25 20:21 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: that would not be "Free Market^TM" | Oct 25 20:21 |
cubezzz | but that poster is late 19 century | Oct 25 20:21 |
schestowitz | Where Free market means no rules. | Oct 25 20:22 |
Mutex_ | and difficult to asnwer without showing extreme bias., , but hey life was not ment to be easy. | Oct 25 20:22 |
cubezzz | so we have improved since then | Oct 25 20:22 |
schestowitz | I.e. anarchical capitalism | Oct 25 20:22 |
schestowitz | Or extreme capitalism | Oct 25 20:22 |
cubezzz | no way I like anarchy :) | Oct 25 20:22 |
schestowitz | True. | Oct 25 20:22 |
cubezzz | there's no way I like anarchy just to be clear | Oct 25 20:22 |
schestowitz | For companies to be atop government (anarchy) is atrocious | Oct 25 20:22 |
cubezzz | co-operation is good too | Oct 25 20:22 |
schestowitz | Which is why governments need to run for people, not companies that fund them | Oct 25 20:23 |
schestowitz | fewa would know.. :-) | Oct 25 20:23 |
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Mutex_ | ok so if you dont like capitalism, what do you propose as a viable alternative ? | Oct 25 20:23 |
cubezzz | I believe I said I was in favour of regulated capitalism | Oct 25 20:23 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: anarchy and other things you mention are not opposites | Oct 25 20:23 |
schestowitz | The definitions vary too | Oct 25 20:23 |
schestowitz | There are many forms of capitalism, socialism, anarchism | Oct 25 20:24 |
cubezzz | you work, you make something.,, etc, etc | Oct 25 20:24 |
schestowitz | And they overlap, too | Oct 25 20:24 |
schestowitz | These are mostly works | Oct 25 20:24 |
schestowitz | Whose meaning was often warped, a la 198 | Oct 25 20:24 |
schestowitz | Whose meaning was often warped, a la 1984 | Oct 25 20:24 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, make something | Oct 25 20:24 |
schestowitz | Usually moving something around | Oct 25 20:25 |
schestowitz | Matter | Oct 25 20:25 |
Mutex_ | you're talking about orwells FICTION book ? | Oct 25 20:25 |
cubezzz | well there's communism but... there are obvious problems with that as well | Oct 25 20:25 |
schestowitz | Some jobs are instructing others to move stuff around | Oct 25 20:25 |
schestowitz | That's the gross simplification | Oct 25 20:25 |
schestowitz | Most jobs are a combination of those two elements | Oct 25 20:25 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: but that's an economics/rewards model | Oct 25 20:26 |
cubezzz | Orwell's book could be taken as a "Cautionary Tale" | Oct 25 20:26 |
schestowitz | Even less to do with individual freedoms | Oct 25 20:26 |
cubezzz | of course things never got that bad in reality | Oct 25 20:26 |
schestowitz | Orwell's books described real phenomena | Oct 25 20:26 |
schestowitz | Like ones he saw while working for the BBC | Oct 25 20:26 |
_goblin | "Orwell's book could be taken as a "Cautionary Tale"" Being somewhat involved in the topics that were mentioned in that book...I would challenge any view of this "big brother" culture. | Oct 25 20:26 |
schestowitz | Or engaging in the Spanish war | Oct 25 20:26 |
Mutex_ | so dose azimov but still does not take it from fiction to faction | Oct 25 20:26 |
MinceR | Red Faction? | Oct 25 20:28 |
_goblin | if we are talking big brother....anyone who has to wrangle with RIPR policy will know its easier for a member of public to intrusively monitor you than it is for a government body... | Oct 25 20:28 |
MinceR | does a 'member of public' have the means? usually not. | Oct 25 20:30 |
_goblin | depends... | Oct 25 20:30 |
Mutex_ | if your part of the stazi you do. | Oct 25 20:30 |
_goblin | video camera in their car observing you down the street....no problem.... | Oct 25 20:30 |
_goblin | police performing directed surveillance of you walking down the same street....completely different matter. | Oct 25 20:31 |
Mutex_ | so what did we conclude was a viable alternative to capitalism ? | Oct 25 20:32 |
_goblin | I would say nothing.... | Oct 25 20:32 |
_goblin | as in I believe in capitalism. | Oct 25 20:32 |
Mutex_ | oh no,, so do i !!! | Oct 25 20:33 |
schestowitz | has anyone heard of http://chakra-project.org/ ? | Oct 25 20:35 |
schestowitz | They have a new release | Oct 25 20:35 |
schestowitz | KDE 4 :-) | Oct 25 20:35 |
_goblin | oh noooo ....I have the same opinion as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8&feature=related | Oct 25 20:35 |
_goblin | I'll have a look at Chakra.....downloading now. | Oct 25 20:38 |
*MinceR knows no viable alternative to capitalism | Oct 25 20:40 | |
MinceR | unless anarcho-capitalism is seen as distinct. :> | Oct 25 20:41 |
schestowitz | _goblin: cool! | Oct 25 20:42 |
schestowitz | They have a nice installed, based on arch | Oct 25 20:42 |
_goblin | Sort of off topic here....been reading (and very interested in) the Bagdad Battery...sort of blows appart theories on electricity and it use.. | Oct 25 20:42 |
MinceR | ? | Oct 25 20:43 |
_goblin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery | Oct 25 20:43 |
_goblin | a battery cell from 250BC | Oct 25 20:43 |
MinceR | oh. | Oct 25 20:44 |
Mutex_ | an old pottery jar, with a lead tube that may *may* have been used as a battery. | Oct 25 20:44 |
schestowitz | Bagdad brought a lot of good things | Oct 25 20:44 |
Mutex_ | if filled with an acid like vinigar | Oct 25 20:44 |
schestowitz | Maths and other sciences | Oct 25 20:44 |
schestowitz | Iraq anyway | Oct 25 20:44 |
schestowitz | People forgot the time when it was the centre of intellect | Oct 25 20:44 |
Mutex_ | they gave us 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 | Oct 25 20:44 |
schestowitz | Now it's in shambles after the US/UK assult | Oct 25 20:45 |
schestowitz | It was actually progressing towards being a developed countries before the invasion. Sad. | Oct 25 20:45 |
_goblin | "an old pottery jar, with a lead tube that may *may* have been used as a battery." yes, interesting possibility there. | Oct 25 20:45 |
schestowitz | The names of many stars are Arabic | Oct 25 20:45 |
schestowitz | They got to name many of them as astronomy abservers | Oct 25 20:45 |
schestowitz | *observers | Oct 25 20:45 |
schestowitz | Before telescopes | Oct 25 20:46 |
_goblin | then theres the oldest computer..... | Oct 25 20:46 |
_goblin | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/11/061129-ancient-greece.html | Oct 25 20:46 |
_goblin | and before Mutex_ asks....no it wasn't running Windows....it actually was useful. | Oct 25 20:47 |
Mutex_ | some say stonehenge and the like could be considered a computer, but I dont give a flying fudge what you use _goblin... | Oct 25 20:47 |
_goblin | very true about stone henge....I prefer to think of it as a bunch of rocks which made a good song for Spinal Tap. | Oct 25 20:48 |
Mutex_ | unlike most here, I dont have this odd condition that what you (or I) use is even slightly important, ofcourse you assume everyone who disagrees with your mantra must be a windows user. but that is your issue.. most dont care, and I certainly dont care what you use... and wonder why you would care what I use. | Oct 25 20:51 |
Mutex_ | I dont use ANY operating system, the applications I run do. | Oct 25 20:51 |
Mutex_ | thats comp sci 101 | Oct 25 20:51 |
_goblin | who said I believe you have different views to me? Since you never took me up on asking what mine where we don't know.... I draw inference from your behaviour that you come from Lin$UX and if thats correct then you will be a Windows user. | Oct 25 20:53 |
_goblin | and it was said in jest, since I dont believe that even you would consider an ancient computer would run windows. | Oct 25 20:54 |
_goblin | oh and thats sarcasm 101 | Oct 25 20:54 |
MinceR | ancient computers don't run OSes at all :> | Oct 25 20:54 |
Mutex_ | well im happy to say I dont and have NEVER been to Lin$sux, so on that matter I can assure you your wrong wrong wrong, and why resort to personal accusations anyway. ?? I guess it's easier than being cival. | Oct 25 20:55 |
_goblin | I reckon Ballmer would have given it a go if he had been about... | Oct 25 20:55 |
Mutex_ | alot of computers today dont run operating systems either. | Oct 25 20:55 |
_goblin | Mutex_ it doesnt really matter if you have or not....Im not that bothered and it wasn't an accusation...please read what I type..."I said I draw inference" I did not accuse you of anything. | Oct 25 20:55 |
Mutex_ | well your inference is still wrong wrong wrong and why "infer" when you can just make stuff up :) | Oct 25 20:56 |
_goblin | so you're simply badly behaved then and not a Linsux user...fine I can believe that.... | Oct 25 20:56 |
_goblin | unlike you Mutex_ (as the logs from here will show off yesterday) I am not a liar. You are. | Oct 25 20:57 |
Mutex_ | Because I dont agree what Linux sucks, but I do feel much of what is spouted as truth here kinda sucks. | Oct 25 20:57 |
Mutex_ | who im I a liar ? | Oct 25 20:57 |
Mutex_ | how* | Oct 25 20:57 |
_goblin | er look back on yesterdays conversation with me.....its all logged. | Oct 25 20:57 |
_goblin | remember when you pretended not to know me and then admitted to reading my articles? | Oct 25 20:58 |
_goblin | thats one example. | Oct 25 20:58 |
Mutex_ | I know and I noticed you said I dont know you but I read your article in defense of Roy desartous interview, and I stand by that, I STILL DONT KNOW YOU, so how am I lying ?? | Oct 25 20:58 |
_goblin | lol | Oct 25 20:58 |
_goblin | good try. | Oct 25 20:58 |
_goblin | its all logged. | Oct 25 20:58 |
Mutex_ | not only dont I know you, I dont care either, | Oct 25 20:59 |
_goblin | im sure. | Oct 25 20:59 |
Mutex_ | I know, so you can go read it and correct yourself... I STILL dont know you, but I know what you are, and seems like you jump in to defend Roy's honor whenever you feel he's being threatened. | Oct 25 20:59 |
_goblin | your comment of " I read your article in defense of Roy desartous interview" was your other lie. Read my article again...and pay attention to the part where I say: "I think Jono handled the interview well. Its would be hard for all the issues which Boycott Novell covers to be catered for in the hour or so slot that was dedicated to it." doesnt sound like I was defending anyone.. | Oct 25 21:00 |
_goblin | or how about when I say: | Oct 25 21:00 |
Mutex_ | thats right I did, and ive read all what you said yesterday,,, and I stand by what I said I DO NOT KNOW YOU... | Oct 25 21:00 |
Mutex_ | STILL, dont you understand that ??? it's not that hard. | Oct 25 21:01 |
_goblin | "Did Roy look bad? Definately not. Did Jono “pull a fast one”? I’d say no. I just have the opinion that whilst it was an interesting interview, it was a wasted opportunity for Jono to produce a compelling piece which would have had the forums talking for months." | Oct 25 21:01 |
_goblin | I showed that lie of yours up yesterday and now Ive had to do it again today.... | Oct 25 21:01 |
_goblin | you like being exposed twice? | Oct 25 21:01 |
Mutex_ | you dont think he looked bad, sure thats your opinion, but someone who spent the last 3 years 24/7 studing MS and NOvell. when given the chance to explain himself comes out with "I dont have anything prepared"... !!!!! what has he been doing for the past 3 years... that WAS a desaster. | Oct 25 21:02 |
Mutex_ | what lie again ? | Oct 25 21:02 |
Mutex_ | I say again, I DO NOT KNOW YOU, I said that yesterday, and Ill probably say it tomorrow, and IT"S TRUE.. | Oct 25 21:03 |
_goblin | where you say I defended him...(second time) I didn't as you say I gave my opinion on the interview. If I was defending him I would have attacked Jono. | Oct 25 21:03 |
_goblin | as I say you are a liar. | Oct 25 21:03 |
_goblin | brb smoke break....hold that thought...........oh the irony.... | Oct 25 21:03 |
Mutex_ | I can go read you rletter again, I know what you said, and i assume so do you | Oct 25 21:03 |
Mutex_ | well puff up, and enjoy your cancer stick... | Oct 25 21:04 |
_goblin | thanks.... | Oct 25 21:08 |
_goblin | I have. | Oct 25 21:08 |
_goblin | here comes the part where you can wish death on me. | Oct 25 21:08 |
_goblin | (if you wish) | Oct 25 21:08 |
Mutex_ | I dont wish death on anyone, far from it.. | Oct 25 21:08 |
_goblin | and its not just cancer smoking causes. | Oct 25 21:08 |
Mutex_ | you want to smoke and stink, and have yellow teeth, and die early, and get emforcema, thats your call.. go for it... | Oct 25 21:09 |
_goblin | lol | Oct 25 21:09 |
_goblin | thanks | Oct 25 21:09 |
_goblin | I have your permission then? | Oct 25 21:09 |
Mutex_ | you're welcome :) | Oct 25 21:09 |
Mutex_ | yea, fill your boots, and lungs, while you still have some left. | Oct 25 21:09 |
_goblin | its two...and you assume I was having a cigarette.... | Oct 25 21:10 |
_goblin | you don't inhale a cigar. | Oct 25 21:10 |
Mutex_ | I dont care ifyour smoking crack cocane.. whats it got to do with me, it's your life. | Oct 25 21:10 |
_goblin | youre the one mentioning it, all I said was that I was going for a smoke break. | Oct 25 21:11 |
_goblin | I wouldn't want you thinking I was ignoring you. | Oct 25 21:11 |
Mutex_ | your not that important _goblin :) | Oct 25 21:13 |
_goblin | Mutex_ err...thanks? | Oct 25 21:13 |
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schestowitz | FOSS FUD: http://www.ddj.com/linux-open-source/220800130 | Oct 25 21:15 |
schestowitz | Rant about arch packaging: http://blog.i-no.de//archives/2009/10/24/index.html#e2009-10-24T17_33_23.txt | Oct 25 21:15 |
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_goblin | I love a bit of FUD on a sunday night.....got a few days off work now.... | Oct 25 21:16 |
schestowitz | Nice. | Oct 25 21:16 |
schestowitz | I have good posts for tomorrow | Oct 25 21:16 |
_goblin | yeah been working very hard....was at a Jewish Wedding today.....very nice event... | Oct 25 21:17 |
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_goblin | I've so much material to get sorted for my site....this month my readership has increased again.... | Oct 25 21:20 |
_goblin | Ive now got an average of 400 unique IP's a day... | Oct 25 21:20 |
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schestowitz | _goblin: if the Mutex_ troll pisses you off, let me know | Oct 25 21:20 |
schestowitz | He's here to throw dirty diapers like the crying baby he is | Oct 25 21:21 |
_goblin | if he was any good at trolling he may.....I like him....he makes a good pet. | Oct 25 21:21 |
_goblin | Im thinking of getting the wife a Mutex_ for Xmas. | Oct 25 21:21 |
_goblin | he can debate with the kids....he may have a chance of winning an argument then. | Oct 25 21:21 |
schestowitz | Inflatable one? | Oct 25 21:21 |
_goblin | yeah, why not! | Oct 25 21:22 |
Mutex_ | LOL, nice again, ofcouse you guys NEVER resort to personal attacks here. | Oct 25 21:22 |
_goblin | how can we personally attack you when you hide your identity behind a handle? | Oct 25 21:22 |
Mutex_ | oh no,, too high and mighty to stoop so low... | Oct 25 21:22 |
schestowitz | Heh. | Oct 25 21:22 |
_goblin | just like how can you personally attack me? | Oct 25 21:22 |
_goblin | I use goblin...thats why I don't mind. | Oct 25 21:23 |
schestowitz | He comes to empty a garbage can in our lawn, then complains about not being welcomed | Oct 25 21:23 |
schestowitz | He cracks me up !! | Oct 25 21:23 |
Mutex_ | oh, so you're not attacking me by calling me a PET... hmmmm,, what do you call it.. | Oct 25 21:23 |
_goblin | oh he's quite the armed forces hero apparently.... | Oct 25 21:23 |
_goblin | apparently by the time he was your age he had won a war or something. | Oct 25 21:23 |
Mutex_ | ok, ,still with the resorting to your last resort, cant support an intelligent argument, resort to abuse. | Oct 25 21:23 |
*schestowitz throws a bone to teh MUTX! | Oct 25 21:23 | |
_goblin | he made that revelation yesterday......sarcasm Mutex...try to keep up.... | Oct 25 21:24 |
Mutex_ | there you go,, exactly. | Oct 25 21:24 |
_goblin | so what purpose do you serve here Mutex, why do you stay? | Oct 25 21:24 |
Mutex_ | oh it's sarcasm so it ok to attack someone personally then.. RIGHT !!! | Oct 25 21:24 |
_goblin | Mutex, try to comprehend......YOU CANNOT PERSONALLY INSULT SOMEONE HIDING BEHIND AN ANON HANDLE. | Oct 25 21:24 |
Mutex_ | someone has to keep you extremeists in line. otherwise you might start believing what you say. | Oct 25 21:25 |
Mutex_ | sure you can _goblin, as you have shown here time and again. | Oct 25 21:25 |
_goblin | lol | Oct 25 21:25 |
_goblin | give me an example.... | Oct 25 21:25 |
_goblin | whats to stop me just changing my handle? | Oct 25 21:25 |
Mutex_ | calling me a pet. | Oct 25 21:25 |
_goblin | or you? | Oct 25 21:25 |
_goblin | Mutex_ you are here to disrupt, yesterday I gave you ample opportunity to have sensible debate and challenge me on anything you wanted.....you refused to do that, so I can only assume you are here to waste peoples time.... | Oct 25 21:26 |
Mutex_ | what that called ad hominin attacks, im here to disrupt and what are you here for ? | Oct 25 21:26 |
_goblin | I asked you to put aside your Roy fetish and challenge me....you couldn't. | Oct 25 21:27 |
_goblin | or wouldn't | Oct 25 21:27 |
_goblin | conversation is what Im here for...Check the IRC logs yourself.....and alot of it has nothing to do with IT. | Oct 25 21:27 |
schestowitz | [21:24] <_goblin> Mutex, try to comprehend......YOU CANNOT PERSONALLY INSULT SOMEONE HIDING BEHIND AN ANON HANDLE. | Oct 25 21:27 |
_goblin | SciFI is a popular topic here for me. | Oct 25 21:27 |
schestowitz | Actually about 20 | Oct 25 21:27 |
Mutex_ | I did not refust to do anything. it's not my fault you cant come up with a decent argument and have to resort to lowering yourself to personal attacks.. next your call me a shill and troll... as if you guys dont troll the web to muck rake. | Oct 25 21:28 |
schestowitz | I'm getting tired of it | Oct 25 21:28 |
schestowitz | The troll comes here to abuse | Oct 25 21:28 |
Mutex_ | GOBLIN YES YOU CAN, and you have, it's the insulted not the insulter who gets to decide that. | Oct 25 21:28 |
schestowitz | Then when there's backlash he comes with accusations | Oct 25 21:28 |
schestowitz | We don't need that here | Oct 25 21:28 |
_goblin | ? what on earth are you talking about? Are you the same Mutex I was pleading to put opinion of Roy to me so that I could state whether I agreed or disagreed? | Oct 25 21:28 |
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schestowitz | bye | Oct 25 21:29 |
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*schestowitz sets ban on Mutex_!*@* | Oct 25 21:29 | |
*schestowitz has kicked Mutex_ from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 21:29 | |
schestowitz | He's just adding noise and offtopic stuff to the channel | Oct 25 21:29 |
_goblin | fair enough. | Oct 25 21:29 |
schestowitz | Talking about people and aggravating and fishing for dirt | Oct 25 21:29 |
_goblin | Anyone reading the logs will see he is an obvious liar. | Oct 25 21:29 |
schestowitz | He has done this for months | Oct 25 21:30 |
schestowitz | He was banned under like 20 names | Oct 25 21:30 |
schestowitz | We got tired | Oct 25 21:30 |
schestowitz | Then gave him a second chance he did not deserve | Oct 25 21:30 |
_goblin | I think I remember seeing him before...I never took much notice until he tried it on with me. | Oct 25 21:30 |
schestowitz | Probably | Oct 25 21:30 |
schestowitz | He was here under many names | Oct 25 21:30 |
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_goblin | lol | Oct 25 21:30 |
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schestowitz | He's obsessive | Oct 25 21:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] goddamn, living in the future is amazing RT @ahier: Gene Therapy: Blind kids can now see http://bit.ly/36Whkf | Oct 25 21:31 | |
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_goblin | He really does have it bad doesnt he? | Oct 25 21:31 |
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schestowitz | He comes back every day | Oct 25 21:31 |
Mutx | who did i abuse | Oct 25 21:31 |
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*schestowitz sets ban on Mutx!*@* | Oct 25 21:31 | |
schestowitz | Like he's ambushing us | Oct 25 21:31 |
schestowitz | He can read the logs | Oct 25 21:31 |
schestowitz | If he wants to track the channel without trolling it | Oct 25 21:31 |
_goblin | I dont think he'll want to be reminded of the conversations he's lost. | Oct 25 21:31 |
schestowitz | Good luck finding them | Oct 25 21:32 |
schestowitz | Many nyms | Oct 25 21:32 |
schestowitz | I lost track | Oct 25 21:32 |
_goblin | You may have missed his military history he claimed yesterday.... He doesn't realize that real soldiers never mention it. | Oct 25 21:33 |
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cheeses | why kick me.. who did i abuse, or was it you just dont like a fair argument. | Oct 25 21:34 |
schestowitz | I lost track http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2009/10/admob-10-of-uk-smartphones-are-running-android.html | Oct 25 21:35 |
cheeses | so you abuse me, and I get kicked... funny how you like to isolate any "non diciples" | Oct 25 21:35 |
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schestowitz | A mate of mine has http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2009/10/admob-10-of-uk-smartphones-are-running-android.html | Oct 25 21:35 |
cheeses | who did I aBUSE | Oct 25 21:35 |
schestowitz | He doesn't like it though | Oct 25 21:35 |
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schestowitz | See? | Oct 25 21:36 |
schestowitz | Waste of time | Oct 25 21:36 |
_goblin | he's quite mad. | Oct 25 21:36 |
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schestowitz | He'd go behind relays even | Oct 25 21:36 |
_goblin | lol | Oct 25 21:36 |
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_goblin | how about you make the channel invite only for 1/2 hour? | Oct 25 21:37 |
schestowitz | Not sure is it's more wasteful (in terms of time) keeping track of the perp of ignoring him | Oct 25 21:37 |
schestowitz | _goblin: what flag was that? | Oct 25 21:37 |
_goblin | pass..... | Oct 25 21:37 |
schestowitz | MinceR would know | Oct 25 21:37 |
_goblin | im sure you can do it.... | Oct 25 21:37 |
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_goblin | lol | Oct 25 21:37 |
FSCK-OFF_ROYBOY | wow, dont like the truth | Oct 25 21:37 |
FSCK-OFF_ROYBOY | lol | Oct 25 21:37 |
_goblin | youre quite mad. | Oct 25 21:38 |
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schestowitz | It's like a monster | Oct 25 21:38 |
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FSCK-OFF_ROYBOe | lol | Oct 25 21:38 |
schestowitz | A babushka | Oct 25 21:38 |
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schestowitz | Going more aggressive each iteration | Oct 25 21:38 |
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schestowitz | [21:38] <_goblin> youre quite mad. | Oct 25 21:38 |
schestowitz | Just as usual | Oct 25 21:38 |
schestowitz | He's always like that | Oct 25 21:39 |
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_goblin | ah think I can help | Oct 25 21:39 |
ROY_LOSER | get a job | Oct 25 21:39 |
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_goblin | lol | Oct 25 21:39 |
_goblin | Try "/mode #mynewchannel +p" | Oct 25 21:39 |
schestowitz | Let's see what flag stops it | Oct 25 21:39 |
_goblin | for private | Oct 25 21:39 |
_goblin | or +S | Oct 25 21:39 |
_goblin | for secret....whatever that is. | Oct 25 21:39 |
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ROY_TOSSER | no really get a job | Oct 25 21:40 |
_goblin | grow up | Oct 25 21:40 |
*schestowitz sets ban on ROY_TOSSER!*@* | Oct 25 21:40 | |
*schestowitz has kicked ROY_TOSSER from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 21:40 | |
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ROY_TOSSEs | funnym isnt it | Oct 25 21:40 |
ROY_TOSSEs | how scared you are | Oct 25 21:40 |
_goblin | er ..no | Oct 25 21:40 |
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_goblin | grow up | Oct 25 21:40 |
ROY_wanker | keep tyring | Oct 25 21:40 |
ROY_wanker | LOL | Oct 25 21:40 |
*schestowitz sets ban on ROY_wanker!*@* | Oct 25 21:40 | |
*schestowitz has kicked ROY_wanker from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 21:40 | |
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ROY_wanks | LOL | Oct 25 21:41 |
ROY_wanks | wanker | Oct 25 21:41 |
schestowitz | _goblin: if he grows up, he'll pass away | Oct 25 21:41 |
ROY_wanks | loser fuckwit | Oct 25 21:41 |
*schestowitz has kicked ROY_wanks from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 21:41 | |
_goblin | good evidence for the IRC log though... | Oct 25 21:41 |
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ROY_tugs_dick | LOL you reallyt DO | Oct 25 21:41 |
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to schestowitz_log | Oct 25 21:41 | |
ROY_tugs_dick | must be worn out my nolw | Oct 25 21:41 |
*schestowitz has kicked ROY_tugs_dick from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 21:41 | |
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ROY_sucks_dicks | LOL | Oct 25 21:42 |
ROY_sucks_dicks | you lose | Oct 25 21:42 |
*schestowitz_log sets ban on *!*@121.218.198.* | Oct 25 21:42 | |
schestowitz | This ought to do a wildcard | Oct 25 21:42 |
*schestowitz has kicked ROY_sucks_dicks from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 21:42 | |
schestowitz | xchat makes it simpler | Oct 25 21:42 |
_goblin | does "/mode #boycottnovell +p" not work? | Oct 25 21:42 |
schestowitz | Ah.. peace, until he finds a gateway | Oct 25 21:42 |
schestowitz | _goblin: nope | Oct 25 21:42 |
_goblin | :( | Oct 25 21:43 |
MinceR | 223507 <@schestowitz> _goblin: what flag was that? | Oct 25 21:43 |
MinceR | +i | Oct 25 21:43 |
schestowitz | See what the perp does? | Oct 25 21:43 |
_goblin | I saw it here: http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Private-Channel-in-IRC | Oct 25 21:43 |
schestowitz | Acting all polite | Oct 25 21:43 |
schestowitz | "I'm just here to add balance" | Oct 25 21:43 |
_goblin | then his true colours come out. | Oct 25 21:43 |
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ROY_sucks_goblin | hi | Oct 25 21:43 |
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ROY_sucks_everyo | back again | Oct 25 21:44 |
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceR | Oct 25 21:44 | |
ROY_sucks_everyo | cant stop me... loser | Oct 25 21:44 |
*schestowitz sets ban on ROY_sucks_everyo!*@* | Oct 25 21:44 | |
*MinceR sets mode +i #boycottnovell | Oct 25 21:44 | |
*MinceR has kicked ROY_sucks_everyo from #boycottnovell (die in a fire) | Oct 25 21:44 | |
schestowitz | Thanks | Oct 25 21:44 |
MinceR | i'll find his netblock | Oct 25 21:44 |
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz_log | Oct 25 21:44 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: it varies. Scumponf IPs | Oct 25 21:44 |
schestowitz | *Scumpond | Oct 25 21:45 |
*MinceR sets ban on *!*@121.208.* | Oct 25 21:45 | |
MinceR | is this too broad? :) | Oct 25 21:45 |
schestowitz | He can use web-based as relay | Oct 25 21:45 |
MinceR | i'll ban that too | Oct 25 21:45 |
schestowitz | MinceR: maybe. oiaohm and others mgiht use that | Oct 25 21:45 |
schestowitz | http://englishrussia.com/?p=5202 | Oct 25 21:45 |
MinceR | so what should we do? | Oct 25 21:45 |
_goblin | I think for a few hours (enough to get him bored) it would be fine | Oct 25 21:46 |
_goblin | to ban webbased too. | Oct 25 21:46 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/5126681546 | Oct 25 21:46 |
*schestowitz sets mode -i #boycottnovell | Oct 25 21:47 | |
MinceR | damn, i didn't even get the whole netblock. | Oct 25 21:47 |
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*MinceR sets ban on *!?=cheese@* | Oct 25 21:47 | |
schestowitz | _goblin: the r flag was not the correct one | Oct 25 21:47 |
*MinceR has kicked its_fun_righ from #boycottnovell (die.) | Oct 25 21:47 | |
*schestowitz sets mode +i #boycottnovell | Oct 25 21:47 | |
*MinceR removes ban on *!*@121.208.* | Oct 25 21:47 | |
schestowitz | Freenode does not seem to support it, either (I think) | Oct 25 21:48 |
MinceR | is this sufficient to convince you that mutex shouldn't ever be allowed here again? :> | Oct 25 21:48 |
schestowitz | Poor Mutex | Oct 25 21:48 |
schestowitz | He'd be out of a job | Oct 25 21:48 |
MinceR | i wonder if this ircd can do CIDR bans | Oct 25 21:48 |
schestowitz | STeveB won't pay for non-attendance | Oct 25 21:48 |
_goblin | lol | Oct 25 21:48 |
schestowitz | He's fighting for his family ;-) | Oct 25 21:48 |
MinceR | if this is the price then they deserve to starve. | Oct 25 21:48 |
_goblin | I agree with Mincer, Mutex and his potty mouth have no place here. | Oct 25 21:49 |
schestowitz | He has dogs | Oct 25 21:49 |
schestowitz | They won't need to eat birds anymore, as he put it | Oct 25 21:49 |
MinceR | he should feed his dogs to his family then. | Oct 25 21:49 |
schestowitz | No! | Oct 25 21:49 |
*DaemonFC has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Oct 25 21:49 | |
MinceR | or vice versa. :> | Oct 25 21:49 |
schestowitz | Dingo. | Oct 25 21:49 |
schestowitz | Roo goulash | Oct 25 21:51 |
_goblin | whatever has been done, it seems to have kept Mutex out....Welldone! | Oct 25 21:51 |
MinceR | it's keeping everyone out right now | Oct 25 21:51 |
MinceR | we're invite-only | Oct 25 21:51 |
_goblin | fair enough..... | Oct 25 21:52 |
*MinceR sets ban on *!*@121.208.0.0/12 | Oct 25 21:52 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: House of skin. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/16291.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/530075.html | Oct 25 21:53 | |
*MinceR sets ban on *!?=79d???@* | Oct 25 21:53 | |
MinceR | that's for web | Oct 25 21:53 |
*MinceR sets mode -i #boycottnovell | Oct 25 21:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Rhinos in peril - http://bit.ly/2N6Glg again; thanks to increased asian-african trade links #rhinos #poaching | Oct 25 21:54 | |
MinceR | let's see if it works :) | Oct 25 21:54 |
MinceR | judging by an earlier ban, they also use other netblocks | Oct 25 21:54 |
MinceR | in any case, if oiaohm complains about not being able to join, remove that 121.208.0.0/12 ban. | Oct 25 21:55 |
schestowitz | "The United States department of defence has confirmed that it is rushing into production the world's largest ever bomb, one designed specifically to destroy underground targets." http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/iran/america-and-iran-big-bombs-and-base-politics | Oct 25 21:55 |
schestowitz | MinceR: I'm not sure he'd be able to complain and others here use the same ISP | Oct 25 21:56 |
schestowitz | But maybe the troll will cool down and lose interest | Oct 25 21:56 |
MinceR | i mean via PM | Oct 25 21:56 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China < http://ping.fm/On2Nq > | Oct 25 22:00 | |
schestowitz | Optimism is an instrument of policy http://eaves.ca/2009/10/22/optimism-is-an-instrument-of-policy/ | Oct 25 22:00 |
schestowitz | hey, Mrmo | Oct 25 22:00 |
schestowitz | i=79d8 | Oct 25 22:00 |
schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/23/the-cove-director-on.html | Oct 25 22:03 |
schestowitz | "Evil Maid" Attacks on Encrypted Hard Drives http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/evil_maid_attac.html | Oct 25 22:03 |
_goblin | Hi Mrmo... | Oct 25 22:03 |
_goblin | welcome to BN ;) | Oct 25 22:03 |
schestowitz | Full Circle In Sight As Inventor Of The World Wide Web Signs Up For Twitter http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/23/full-circle-in-sight-as-inventor-of-the-world-wide-web-joins-twitter/ | Oct 25 22:04 |
schestowitz | _goblin: it's 'mutex' | Oct 25 22:04 |
_goblin | yeah Id guessed... | Oct 25 22:04 |
schestowitz | He'd keep quiet and lurk, as he did before | Oct 25 22:04 |
_goblin | probably for the best...his potty mouth is not welcome around adults. | Oct 25 22:05 |
schestowitz | A foreigner's life in a Beijing jail http://www.danwei.org/crime/a_foreigners_life_in_a_beijing.php | Oct 25 22:05 |
_goblin | Gutsy Geeks is very good this week.....they are pretending to advocate Windows....very funny.,,,, | Oct 25 22:06 |
schestowitz | Oh, they're still running\? | Oct 25 22:07 |
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_goblin | yeah... | Oct 25 22:07 |
schestowitz | I remember when MarkS was on their show | Oct 25 22:07 |
schestowitz | They were like school girls | Oct 25 22:07 |
_goblin | I quite like them... | Oct 25 22:08 |
schestowitz | Infatuated with Mr. Rich Guy | Oct 25 22:08 |
_goblin | they are quite funny sometimes. | Oct 25 22:08 |
_goblin | Ive always liked the Gutsy Geeks, might have to check out some of the older shows now... | Oct 25 22:09 |
schestowitz | This one slipped many people's attention for some reason: http://news.northxsouth.com/2009/07/30/first-free-software-foundation-latin-america-meeting-and-the-caracas-declaration/ | Oct 25 22:10 |
schestowitz | Gutsy is old | Oct 25 22:10 |
schestowitz | They need to be Koala Geeks now | Oct 25 22:10 |
_goblin | I must admit I see what you mean, sometimes they do come across as giggling school girls....just noticed that... | Oct 25 22:12 |
MinceR | hm, i've missed a few digits. | Oct 25 22:13 |
*MinceR sets ban on *!?=79d?????@* | Oct 25 22:13 | |
*MinceR has kicked Mrmo from #boycottnovell (leave us alone.) | Oct 25 22:13 | |
_goblin | hi Chm | Oct 25 22:13 |
*MinceR removes ban on *!?=79d???@* | Oct 25 22:13 | |
schestowitz | http://www.350.org/ | Oct 25 22:13 |
schestowitz | _goblin: the analogies are not just mine | Oct 25 22:14 |
schestowitz | Just the wording | Oct 25 22:14 |
schestowitz | re The MarkS interview | Oct 25 22:14 |
_goblin | Ive noticed now they are getting excited quite a bit....never noticed before! | Oct 25 22:15 |
_goblin | mind you sometimes LinuxOutlaws get lost in the moment..... | Oct 25 22:15 |
schestowitz | WSJ Editor: Those Who Believe Content Should Be Free Are Neanderthals http://techdirt.com/articles/20091022/1758016645.shtml | Oct 25 22:15 |
schestowitz | Neanderthals: Those Who Believe Content Should Be Non Free Are WSJ Editor http://techdirt.com/articles/20091022/1758016645.shtml | Oct 25 22:16 |
MinceR | lol | Oct 25 22:16 |
MinceR | $_="WSJ Editor: Those Who Believe Content Should Be Free Are Neanderthals"; s/Neanderthals/Poopy-Heads/; print; | Oct 25 22:16 |
MinceR | there, fixed that for you, WSJ Editor. | Oct 25 22:16 |
schestowitz | WSJ is Murdoch's cronies | Oct 25 22:17 |
schestowitz | They try to set up paywalls... | Oct 25 22:17 |
schestowitz | BUT... | Oct 25 22:17 |
schestowitz | To make matter worse (most people don't know this).. | Oct 25 22:17 |
schestowitz | They collude | Oct 25 22:17 |
schestowitz | They basically go around newspapers and scheme to set up paygates on all of them overnight | Oct 25 22:17 |
schestowitz | Basically like price-fixing | Oct 25 22:17 |
schestowitz | But no investigation was launched into it | Oct 25 22:18 |
schestowitz | Cartel, RICO-ACT | Oct 25 22:18 |
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schestowitz | 'We love "free market".... compete on price, as long as we like the price and we can tell consumers what they must pay" | Oct 25 22:18 |
schestowitz | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10641_Symbian_Foundation_opensources.php | Oct 25 22:19 |
schestowitz | Hey, habot | Oct 25 22:19 |
schestowitz | habot: how's Aussie? | Oct 25 22:20 |
schestowitz | CPE-58-164-68-164.nsw.bigpond.net.au ;-) | Oct 25 22:20 |
schestowitz | Do you have a neighbour called mutex by any chance? | Oct 25 22:20 |
schestowitz | With two dogs and dead birds in the basement? | Oct 25 22:21 |
_goblin | completely forgot.....Ive downloaded chakra...time to burn it and have a look.... | Oct 25 22:21 |
schestowitz | A guy who talks about wankers, tossers and guys having sex? | Oct 25 22:21 |
schestowitz | _goblin: it looks nice | Oct 25 22:21 |
schestowitz | The installer | Oct 25 22:21 |
schestowitz | Like OpenSUSE's | Oct 25 22:21 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE has a good kde 4.3 implmentation | Oct 25 22:22 |
_goblin | burning now. | Oct 25 22:22 |
*schestowitz sets ban on *!?=3aa???@* | Oct 25 22:22 | |
*schestowitz has kicked habot from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 22:23 | |
schestowitz | That's mutex by the way | Oct 25 22:23 |
schestowitz | _goblin: http://linuxcrunch.com/content/opensuse-112-perfect-kde-distribution | Oct 25 22:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google makes everyone happy! http://ping.fm/oCAPe | Oct 25 22:24 | |
_goblin | Ive got two machines in front of me.....Ill boot up Chakra in a sec and let you know first impressions! | Oct 25 22:24 |
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_goblin | do you ever give up? | Oct 25 22:25 |
arian | not when seeking the truth | Oct 25 22:25 |
_goblin | lol | Oct 25 22:25 |
arian | how about you ? | Oct 25 22:25 |
_goblin | well I wouldnt try seeking the truth from you, you are proved liar. | Oct 25 22:25 |
_goblin | and time waster | Oct 25 22:26 |
arian | ok, fair enough them | Oct 25 22:26 |
_goblin | and potty mouth. | Oct 25 22:26 |
_goblin | its all on the log. | Oct 25 22:26 |
schestowitz | "@mikankun sorry about that, I should have preserved the warning where I found it (via @glynmoody )" | Oct 25 22:26 |
arian | well you started that one, you started the personal attacks, and kicked me because I dont toe the party line, but fair enough | Oct 25 22:26 |
*schestowitz has kicked arian from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 22:26 | |
schestowitz | Someone did not like those photos of China pollution | Oct 25 22:27 |
*schestowitz sets ban on *!?=8ba???@* | Oct 25 22:27 | |
_goblin | why can't he understand that you cant personally attack an anon person....how can it be personal when we don't know who it is. | Oct 25 22:27 |
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_goblin | why can't you understand that you cant personally attack an anon person....how can it be personal when we don't know who you are. | Oct 25 22:28 |
_goblin | and I didnt ban you mutex | Oct 25 22:28 |
asdfe | then why do you think I attacked anyone here then ? | Oct 25 22:28 |
_goblin | because you came here creating multiple vulgar handles.... | Oct 25 22:29 |
_goblin | and before that you were disrupting and telling lies. | Oct 25 22:29 |
_goblin | read the logs if you need reminding. | Oct 25 22:29 |
asdfe | after i was accused of being a pet and a liar, and having opinions different to Roys. | Oct 25 22:29 |
_goblin | you were not accused of being a pet. | Oct 25 22:29 |
asdfe | yes I was by you, you said I make a good pet, | Oct 25 22:30 |
asdfe | what do you call that ? | Oct 25 22:30 |
_goblin | I wanted you as a pet....your bad behaviour far from being disruptive was entertaining to me. | Oct 25 22:30 |
*schestowitz has kicked asdfe from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 22:30 | |
*schestowitz sets ban on *!?=3ce???@* | Oct 25 22:30 | |
cubezzz | it never ends :) | Oct 25 22:30 |
schestowitz | As usual | Oct 25 22:30 |
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schestowitz | He did this before | Oct 25 22:30 |
_goblin | nice welcome screen for Chakra | Oct 25 22:30 |
*schestowitz has kicked really_ from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 22:30 | |
*schestowitz sets mode +i #boycottnovell | Oct 25 22:31 | |
_goblin | wow.... | Oct 25 22:31 |
_goblin | impressive | Oct 25 22:31 |
cubezzz | you need to ban his numeric ip I think | Oct 25 22:31 |
MinceR | cubezzz: his ip is dynamic | Oct 25 22:31 |
MinceR | and he keeps requesting new ones | Oct 25 22:32 |
schestowitz | _goblin: yes, their screenshots look promising | Oct 25 22:32 |
schestowitz | It's quite a new distro | Oct 25 22:32 |
schestowitz | I never heard of it until today | Oct 25 22:32 |
_goblin | its impressive....a little slow...but then Im LiveCD at the moment.... | Oct 25 22:32 |
schestowitz | So they would love some review or buzz, I'm sure.. | Oct 25 22:32 |
_goblin | Arora browser | Oct 25 22:32 |
*schestowitz sets mode -i #boycottnovell | Oct 25 22:33 | |
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*schestowitz sets mode +i #boycottnovell | Oct 25 22:33 | |
*schestowitz has kicked permanentstudent from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 22:33 | |
_goblin | Roy I think that Chakra is a little special... | Oct 25 22:33 |
schestowitz | This dude has endless patience or no life | Oct 25 22:33 |
schestowitz | It's like he's attempting to reenter every second | Oct 25 22:33 |
schestowitz | Like a pigeon sitting there pecking the keyboard | Oct 25 22:34 |
schestowitz | _goblin: it's Arch | Oct 25 22:34 |
_goblin | yeah I saw on the site.... | Oct 25 22:34 |
_goblin | never really used arch before.... | Oct 25 22:34 |
_goblin | only briefly.... | Oct 25 22:34 |
schestowitz | Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrch | Oct 25 22:34 |
*schestowitz drinks grog | Oct 25 22:34 | |
MinceR | Arrrrrch, matey! | Oct 25 22:34 |
schestowitz | _goblin: they use the opensuse build service | Oct 25 22:35 |
schestowitz | or something to that effect | Oct 25 22:35 |
_goblin | I must admit I have a favorable opinion of KDE since I started running with it at the beginning of last week..... | Oct 25 22:35 |
schestowitz | So it would not surprise if the opensuse installer base got used by them | Oct 25 22:35 |
schestowitz | Kubuntu got some nice graphical installer too | Oct 25 22:35 |
_goblin | still running livecd at mo | Oct 25 22:35 |
cubezzz | I like old KDE | Oct 25 22:35 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: tried 4.3? | Oct 25 22:35 |
cubezzz | I think I did, in Fedora 11 | Oct 25 22:36 |
cubezzz | let me check | Oct 25 22:36 |
schestowitz | Nope | Oct 25 22:36 |
schestowitz | 4.2 | Oct 25 22:36 |
cubezzz | oh ok | Oct 25 22:36 |
cubezzz | then no :) | Oct 25 22:36 |
schestowitz | I'm quite sure | Oct 25 22:36 |
schestowitz | 4.2.2 maybe | Oct 25 22:36 |
_goblin | ok...going for install | Oct 25 22:36 |
schestowitz | Like Mandriva 2009.1 | Oct 25 22:36 |
_goblin | Mandriva really is a decent distro. | Oct 25 22:36 |
MinceR | except for their locale handling. | Oct 25 22:37 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 25 22:37 |
schestowitz | I had mandriva use a Russian dict by default in Firefox, in 2008.1 | Oct 25 22:37 |
schestowitz | But it's not locale | Oct 25 22:38 |
schestowitz | Just something odd. It was easy toc hange | Oct 25 22:38 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, konqueror says KDE 4.3.1 | Oct 25 22:38 |
cubezzz | in Fedora 11 | Oct 25 22:38 |
cubezzz | on my fc1 box I have 3.4.2 | Oct 25 22:40 |
cubezzz | which is modded | Oct 25 22:40 |
_goblin | Installation is simple... | Oct 25 22:40 |
_goblin | opting for ext4 | Oct 25 22:41 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: it's only like 7 weeks old | Oct 25 22:41 |
schestowitz | Maybe 9 | Oct 25 22:41 |
schestowitz | They might be updating KDE in-place | Oct 25 22:41 |
cubezzz | weird, ok | Oct 25 22:42 |
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schestowitz | Hey | Oct 25 22:42 |
*schestowitz has kicked asdfe from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 22:42 | |
schestowitz | We have mutex trolling and cursing | Oct 25 22:42 |
cubezzz | I installed Fedora 11 just recently | Oct 25 22:42 |
schestowitz | And using many IPs | Oct 25 22:42 |
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*schestowitz has kicked heythere from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 22:43 | |
oiaohm | Mutex understanding of english is as bad as his understanding of secuirty. | Oct 25 22:43 |
*schestowitz sets ban on *!?=7c???@* | Oct 25 22:43 | |
oiaohm | Just because X flaw causes X effect does not mean another bug worse did not start off chain reaction. | Oct 25 22:43 |
cubezzz | just write a "kick Mutex" bot | Oct 25 22:43 |
schestowitz | He tries changing the debate | Oct 25 22:43 |
MinceR | hm, as long as oiaohm is using his cloak, we can freely ban all of telstra/bigpond, can't we? :> | Oct 25 22:43 |
schestowitz | To anti-Linux | Oct 25 22:43 |
schestowitz | Or anti-us | Oct 25 22:43 |
oiaohm | I am not on telstra So safe MinceR | Oct 25 22:44 |
schestowitz | MinceR: no | Oct 25 22:44 |
MinceR | schestowitz: that mask is too short, just like the first web banmask i've set | Oct 25 22:44 |
schestowitz | There are more from there | Oct 25 22:44 |
schestowitz | MinceR: I know, it's temporary | Oct 25 22:44 |
schestowitz | He's trying to disrupt | Oct 25 22:44 |
oiaohm | I am on primus or what is called iprimus here. | Oct 25 22:44 |
schestowitz | Like blocking innocent people | Oct 25 22:44 |
schestowitz | Like oiaohm | Oct 25 22:44 |
MinceR | ok | Oct 25 22:44 |
oiaohm | So I appear to come from australia Usa and engliand. | Oct 25 22:44 |
oiaohm | Depending on where primus routes me. | Oct 25 22:45 |
schestowitz | Just carpet bomb him with some malware | Oct 25 22:45 |
schestowitz | He must be using Windows :-) | Oct 25 22:45 |
MinceR | schestowitz: your web banmasks are too short | Oct 25 22:45 |
cubezzz | one time I asked him which OS he uses, never got an answer | Oct 25 22:45 |
MinceR | it should be 8 characters between the = and the @ | Oct 25 22:45 |
MinceR | or a * after the leading hex digits | Oct 25 22:45 |
schestowitz | Oh oops | Oct 25 22:45 |
schestowitz | MinceR: do your magic with the banlist | Oct 25 22:46 |
MinceR | ok | Oct 25 22:46 |
schestowitz | So many rules for one person | Oct 25 22:46 |
*MinceR sets ban on *!?=3aa?????@* | Oct 25 22:46 | |
schestowitz | cubezzz: not Linux | Oct 25 22:46 |
*MinceR removes ban on *!?=8ba???@* | Oct 25 22:46 | |
schestowitz | Maybe BSD | Oct 25 22:46 |
cubezzz | hmmm | Oct 25 22:46 |
schestowitz | Probably WIndows though | Oct 25 22:46 |
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cubezzz | why not answer me eh? :) | Oct 25 22:46 |
*schestowitz has kicked yawning from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 25 22:46 | |
oiaohm | Yes I know this would shock most of you guys for how bad my English is I do have a PHD in it. | Oct 25 22:47 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: cause Windows users are ashamed of their OS | Oct 25 22:47 |
schestowitz | Or apologetic | Oct 25 22:47 |
cubezzz | how does he keep changing his IP address? | Oct 25 22:47 |
schestowitz | All others are proud of theirs | Oct 25 22:47 |
schestowitz | Even ArOS | Oct 25 22:47 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, right | Oct 25 22:47 |
MinceR | cubezzz: i think he's using open proxies or Tor to connect to the web gateway | Oct 25 22:48 |
oiaohm | cubezzz: he will use web site gate ways so is really had to block. | Oct 25 22:48 |
*MinceR sets ban on *!*@gateway/web/* | Oct 25 22:48 | |
*MinceR removes ban on *!?=8ba?????@* | Oct 25 22:48 | |
*MinceR removes ban on *!?=3aa?????@* | Oct 25 22:48 | |
*MinceR removes ban on *!?=7c???@* | Oct 25 22:48 | |
oiaohm | Basically if its a dirty clocking method he will use it. | Oct 25 22:48 |
cubezzz | right, exactly what I was thinking MinceR | Oct 25 22:48 |
*MinceR removes ban on *!?=3ce???@* | Oct 25 22:48 | |
cubezzz | just ban gateway itself | Oct 25 22:48 |
*MinceR removes ban on *!?=3aa???@* | Oct 25 22:48 | |
*MinceR removes ban on *!?=79d?????@* | Oct 25 22:48 | |
oiaohm | He will also use proxys. | Oct 25 22:48 |
MinceR | the ircd is supposed to detect open proxies | Oct 25 22:49 |
MinceR | and it sets a cloak on Tor so we can ban that | Oct 25 22:49 |
oiaohm | Guy has a company MinceR | Oct 25 22:49 |
oiaohm | So has access to not listed proxies. | Oct 25 22:49 |
MinceR | how many? | Oct 25 22:49 |
cubezzz | I hereby announce the A.R.S.E award for Mutex | Oct 25 22:49 |
MinceR | also, the detection isn't based on listing, it's based on trying to connect :> | Oct 25 22:50 |
oiaohm | Even worse they are dynamic ip locations MinceR | Oct 25 22:50 |
MinceR | i wonder if they use DNSBL-s | Oct 25 22:50 |
cubezzz | Always Right Society of England :-P | Oct 25 22:50 |
MinceR | isn't he from australia? | Oct 25 22:50 |
cubezzz | yes :-P | Oct 25 22:50 |
oiaohm | So yep end up banning about 4 different ISP's in Australia to block it. | Oct 25 22:50 |
cubezzz | England shipped the bad ones off | Oct 25 22:50 |
cubezzz | j/k | Oct 25 22:51 |
MinceR | :) | Oct 25 22:51 |
oiaohm | Wish he was simple to get. | Oct 25 22:51 |
oiaohm | Most likely we have about 4 hours before he runs threw the web proxies. | Oct 25 22:51 |
MinceR | web proxies aren't going to help him now | Oct 25 22:51 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 25 22:51 |
oiaohm | About the best you can hope for is to slow him down. MinceR | Oct 25 22:54 |
oiaohm | And annoy him. | Oct 25 22:54 |
cubezzz | I like my idea of an anti-Mutex bot | Oct 25 22:54 |
MinceR | how would that bot work? | Oct 25 22:54 |
cubezzz | figure out typical Mutex expressions | Oct 25 22:54 |
cubezzz | then kick :) | Oct 25 22:55 |
MinceR | if we had enough ops, we could kickban mutex any time 24/7 | Oct 25 22:55 |
cubezzz | key on Mutex's misspellings | Oct 25 22:55 |
oiaohm | Hmm that might get me from time to time cubezzz | Oct 25 22:56 |
oiaohm | I sometimes copy his mistakes. | Oct 25 22:56 |
oiaohm | Hang on I can be white listed. | Oct 25 22:56 |
cubezzz | there you go ;) | Oct 25 22:57 |
oiaohm | I always login with my cloak if it don't work I log out and back in to get it anyhow. | Oct 25 22:57 |
oiaohm | So anyone making a bot to target Mutex add a filter on my cloak. | Oct 25 22:57 |
cubezzz | it seems like every weekend is fight-night in here | Oct 25 22:57 |
cubezzz | what time is it in Australia now? | Oct 25 22:58 |
oiaohm | 9 am monday cubezzz | Oct 25 22:58 |
schestowitz | Monday | Oct 25 22:58 |
cubezzz | so he should be going to work by now | Oct 25 22:58 |
oiaohm | About in the next 2 hours I will find out if anything broke over the weekend we don't have remote monitoring on. | Oct 25 22:59 |
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oiaohm | I guess Mutex is the same. | Oct 25 22:59 |
phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 25 22:59 |
schestowitz | 9am... | Oct 25 22:59 |
schestowitz | Mutex is trying to go to work | Oct 25 22:59 |
schestowitz | But his Wintendo box won't let him into work | Oct 25 23:00 |
_goblin | poor mutex.... | Oct 25 23:00 |
MinceR | that's pretty harsh on Nintendo :> | Oct 25 23:00 |
schestowitz | !google microsoft layoffs australia | Oct 25 23:00 |
phIRCe | [1] - More Microsoft Layoffs Hit Game Testers, Games For Windows Group ... | http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/01/more_microsoft_layoffs_hit_game_testers_games_for_windows_group-2/ | Oct 25 23:00 |
phIRCe | [2] - Gamerscore Blog Team Let Go As Part Of Microsoft Layoffs | Kotaku ... | http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/01/gamerscore_blog_team_let_go_as_part_of_microsoft_layoffs-2/ | Oct 25 23:00 |
phIRCe | [3] - Tragic Casualty of Microsoft Layoffs: Flight Simulator Grounded ... | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/01/tragic_casualty_of_microsoft_layoffs_iflight_simulatori_grounded_forever-2/ | Oct 25 23:00 |
phIRCe | [4] - Microsoft to cull local headcount - it careers, layoffs, Microsoft ... | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/302337/microsoft_cull_local_headcount | Oct 25 23:00 |
cubezzz | I was a Sega Genesis fan for a while :) | Oct 25 23:00 |
_goblin | I still am. | Oct 25 23:00 |
MinceR | i never was a fan of consoles | Oct 25 23:01 |
MinceR | but i've played some neat console games :) | Oct 25 23:01 |
cubezzz | well, they are rather closed I admit | Oct 25 23:01 |
MinceR | computers can do everything consoles do, and more | Oct 25 23:01 |
MinceR | so i consider consoles superfluous | Oct 25 23:01 |
_goblin | unless of course you want to keep ontop of the latest software without having to worry about your specs. | Oct 25 23:01 |
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cubezzz | I could dress up as a Windows Zombie for Halloween | Oct 25 23:02 |
MinceR | :) | Oct 25 23:02 |
_goblin | Chakra - Alpha is really rather good...... | Oct 25 23:02 |
cubezzz | I'm not sure I could be _that_ much of a zombie though | Oct 25 23:02 |
MinceR | would it go "memoryyyyyyyyyyyyyy, memoryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy"? | Oct 25 23:02 |
MinceR | or is that the m$ sql zombie? | Oct 25 23:03 |
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oiaohm | Ok can anyone remember the jap name for those chars that created off users fell for a OS | Oct 25 23:04 |
cubezzz | I'm not up on Zombie taxonomy :) | Oct 25 23:05 |
MinceR | oiaohm: huh? | Oct 25 23:07 |
MinceR | OS-tan? | Oct 25 23:07 |
Diablo-D3 | OS-tans are fun | Oct 25 23:08 |
Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/troubled_windows.swf | Oct 25 23:08 |
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schestowitz | [23:02] <cubezzz> I could dress up as a Windows Zombie for Halloween | Oct 25 23:09 |
MinceR | i think they're inaccurate | Oct 25 23:09 |
schestowitz | The guy in the Kaspersky consume would shoot you | Oct 25 23:09 |
MinceR | they fail to show winblows for the horrible mess of a monster it is. :> | Oct 25 23:09 |
schestowitz | *costume | Oct 25 23:09 |
Diablo-D3 | why? XP-tan's tits are huge | Oct 25 23:09 |
Diablo-D3 | <3 XP-tan | Oct 25 23:10 |
oiaohm | Hmm os-tan is what I was thinking about. | Oct 25 23:10 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: language! | Oct 25 23:10 |
oiaohm | Diablo-D3: tit size use to reflect memory usage. | Oct 25 23:10 |
MinceR | if they're based on resource consumption, just wait until you see vista-tan | Oct 25 23:10 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: so? | Oct 25 23:10 |
MinceR | or vista7-tan | Oct 25 23:10 |
Diablo-D3 | mmmm seven-tan | Oct 25 23:10 |
oiaohm | When you see windows 7 tan its tits a slightly too small. | Oct 25 23:10 |
MinceR | they're hard to see because she falls right over them | Oct 25 23:11 |
MinceR | lack of balance. | Oct 25 23:11 |
Diablo-D3 | vista-tan and seven-tan should be twins, actually | Oct 25 23:11 |
oiaohm | MS created the Windows 7 tan so does not use any of the traditions. | Oct 25 23:11 |
MinceR | seven-tan should be vista-tan with badly-applied stickers | Oct 25 23:11 |
MinceR | trying to disguise her as seven-tan. | Oct 25 23:11 |
Diablo-D3 | linux-tan is kind of cute | Oct 25 23:11 |
Diablo-D3 | chick wears a helmet with gnu-horns on it | Oct 25 23:12 |
oiaohm | All Linux tans normally have a spear so are ready for combat. | Oct 25 23:12 |
cubezzz | Gnu/Linux-tan | Oct 25 23:12 |
*Diablo-D3 tries to imagine android-tan | Oct 25 23:12 | |
cubezzz | for the pedantic | Oct 25 23:12 |
Diablo-D3 | lets all do the robot~! | Oct 25 23:13 |
Diablo-D3 | not like that you pervs | Oct 25 23:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: The opening chord of "A Hard Day's Night." http://bit.ly/16DJJC | Oct 25 23:14 | |
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cubezzz | http://www.spilth.org/pictures/girls/ceren/bsd.jpg | Oct 25 23:14 |
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MinceR | android-tan, the one with the limbs chopped off and replaced with inept mechanical limbs? | Oct 25 23:15 |
Diablo-D3 | http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/thumbnails.php?album=155 | Oct 25 23:15 |
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Diablo-D3 | oh wow | Oct 25 23:15 |
oiaohm | http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9112/gnuaz3.jpg Ubuntu 8.10 tan. With nice set of support chars. | Oct 25 23:16 |
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Diablo-D3 | hmm | Oct 25 23:16 |
Diablo-D3 | I was expecting a brown skinned lovely :< | Oct 25 23:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People Who Search for #Vista7 Information Find Out That #GNU #Linux Works Better http://ur1.ca/ecce | Oct 25 23:17 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Giving Chakra Alpha liveCD a run. Very impressive & polished so far! No issues with hardware detection #linux #foss #chakra | Oct 25 23:17 | |
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Diablo-D3 | http://c-quel.deviantart.com/art/BSD-Group-Picture-FINAL-105065590 | Oct 25 23:18 |
Diablo-D3 | heee | Oct 25 23:18 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux #Security is Fundamentally Better Than #Windows 'Security' (as 'Feature') http://ur1.ca/ef5f | Oct 25 23:19 | |
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oiaohm | http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=23 My favorate tan is the Linux one. notice the trident on the spear that is about the bsd code inside Linux. | Oct 25 23:19 |
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Diablo-D3 | so anyhow | Oct 25 23:20 |
Diablo-D3 | I think I now have a perl script that can synchronize backgrounds across machines | Oct 25 23:20 |
oiaohm | http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=11 Also ubuntu tan is growing up that was from about 7.10 time. | Oct 25 23:20 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Poor Windows 7, left the trending topics after only a short time, never to return. #microsoft #windows #xp #vista windows 7 | Oct 25 23:21 | |
oiaohm | http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pid=2631&fullsize=1 I really have to make a poster of this one. | Oct 25 23:21 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #Browser for #GNU #Linux Hailed http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/220 #chrome | Oct 25 23:22 | |
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Diablo-D3 | oh thats awesome | Oct 25 23:22 |
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cubezzz | Fedora 11 boots up fairly fast | Oct 25 23:27 |
oiaohm | Linux is the only OS with a Space battle ship design to support one of its tans. | Oct 25 23:28 |
oiaohm | All Linux's will keep on booting faster. | Oct 25 23:29 |
oiaohm | For about the next 4 releases. | Oct 25 23:29 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Poor Windows 7, left the trending topics after only a short time, never to return. #microsoft #windows #xp #vista | Oct 25 23:35 | |
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