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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] X Evolves Fast and #Compiz Stays Lightweight http://ur1.ca/er25 http://ur1.ca/er27 | Oct 30 00:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amarok 2.2.1, #KOffice 2.1 RC1, and Ultimate #KDE Desktop http://ur1.ca/epp6 http://ur1.ca/er3v http://ur1.ca/er3x | Oct 30 00:32 | |
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| tacone1 | I can't believe it http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/210/ | Oct 30 00:38 |
| tacone1 | paypal ?!?.. | Oct 30 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | tacone1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Little_%28character%29 | Oct 30 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | He's taking the p*Ss | Oct 30 00:40 |
| koe | hi again | Oct 30 00:41 |
| tacone1 | i know about the meaning | Oct 30 00:41 |
| tacone1 | but it's the paypal and amazon wishlist thing that amaze me | Oct 30 00:41 |
| tacone1 | i can't believe he doesn't understand | Oct 30 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Hey, koe | Oct 30 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't understand what? | Oct 30 00:42 |
| koe | Hi. I made second Opinion. TIhis time it is about the Public Undertaking by Microsoft. | Oct 30 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Technically, he's perfectly entitles to charge money for a distro | Oct 30 00:43 |
| tacone1 | doesn't understand that people don't care a shit about yet another mono-free distro | Oct 30 00:44 |
| tacone1 | they just don't want mono into main distros: ubuntu, fedora, debian | Oct 30 00:44 |
| tacone1 | and they don't want mono in gnome | Oct 30 00:44 |
| tacone1 | it's worthless to create another distro. | Oct 30 00:44 |
| koe | http://www.jukkarannila.fi/lausunnot.html#nro_18 | Oct 30 00:45 |
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| koe | Opinion No. 18: Opinion Related to the Public Undertaking by Microsoft | Oct 30 00:46 |
| schestowitz | tacone1: yes | Oct 30 00:47 |
| schestowitz | But it's not about what people want | Oct 30 00:47 |
| schestowitz | He's trying to make a statement | Oct 30 00:47 |
| schestowitz | And if people don't care about this 'remix', then he'd use it to argue that people do not choose to reject m0n0 | Oct 30 00:48 |
| schestowitz | tacone1: it's like Windows N (for Europe, no WMP) | Oct 30 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: "Look!! People choose to have it with WMP, IE..." | Oct 30 00:49 |
| schestowitz | "People 'choose' OOXML" | Oct 30 00:49 |
| schestowitz | The world "chooses" WIndows cause most people buy their PC with WIndows | Oct 30 00:50 |
| fewa | didn't even come close http://mirror.anl.gov/ | Oct 30 00:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 Promises a Lot Just 6 Months Away http://ur1.ca/er6g http://ur1.ca/er6h | Oct 30 00:54 | |
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| fewa | 10.04 is a LTS release | Oct 30 00:58 |
| schestowitz | It's also a cat | Oct 30 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Like the OS Xes | Oct 30 00:59 |
| schestowitz | gn | Oct 30 00:59 |
| fewa | just a kitten right now :P | Oct 30 01:00 |
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| koe | That Public Undertaking by Microsoft is a large collection of document. | Oct 30 01:12 |
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| cubezzz | I only use windows media player to get the KID :) | Oct 30 01:16 |
| cubezzz | what choice do people have at the store really... none | Oct 30 01:16 |
| fewa | I think it halarious how users of windows think the media players that use directshow are differn't | Oct 30 01:16 |
| fewa | meh, not halarious | Oct 30 01:17 |
| fewa | just alot of spread misinformation | Oct 30 01:17 |
| cubezzz | people are _starting_ to bypass Microsoft | Oct 30 01:19 |
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| cubezzz | a true grass roots reformation | Oct 30 01:20 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I'm back to using #Compiz with eyecandy turned off instead of #xcompmgr because xcompmgr is noticeably buggy | Oct 30 01:30 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Super os 9.10 is getting ready! yay! RT: @hacktolive: About Super OS 9.10: http://bit.ly/vP8rn | Oct 30 01:40 | |
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| fewa | yes vlc | Oct 30 01:50 |
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| _Hicham_ | fewa : what about vlc ? | Oct 30 02:04 |
| fewa | <cubezzz> people are _starting_ to bypass Microsoft | Oct 30 02:04 |
| fewa | just like Firefox, etc | Oct 30 02:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Americans have considerable awareness of the supreme court http://ur1.ca/er9b majority favor video coverage of oral arguments #SCOTUS #USA | Oct 30 02:04 | |
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| fewa | or just Linux... | Oct 30 02:08 |
| fewa | GNU/Linux | Oct 30 02:08 |
| Will___ | schestowitz: Not sure how widespread this is, and you may have already seen it, but I've already seen a couple of stories basically making a big noise about how Win7 has already surpassed Linux in usage. | Oct 30 02:10 |
| Will___ | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/oct/29/windows7-usage-guardian | Oct 30 02:10 |
| Will___ | http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/iandouglas/100004095/window-7-beats-linux-not-expectations/ | Oct 30 02:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wouldnt mind using win7 if it actually worked | Oct 30 02:11 |
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| Will___ | connection problem or something just happened | Oct 30 02:15 |
| Will___ | Anyway, think about this: Microsoft's primary market (people that haven't yet switched to Macs and don't yet know about Linux) is currently either using an eight year old OS or Vista. Win7 is the only Windows upgrade path. And yet still all this advertising and marketing push. Anything to keep 7 from being associated with Vista. Anything to make 7 look successful out of the gate. | Oct 30 02:23 |
| Will___ | So much effort to make people leave an old but relatively reliable OS and an epic failure of an OS to stay on the upgrade treadmill, even for a market that supposedly has (knows!) no other choice. | Oct 30 02:25 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] !emacs goodies updated in fedora bugzilla: Applied upstream patches https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530090#c16 | Oct 30 02:25 | |
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| fewa | yep Will___ , we largely know this | Oct 30 02:28 |
| fewa | but it is good to keep spreading it | Oct 30 02:28 |
| Will___ | fewa: I know. Old news. It's just that employing way to much marketing/advertising on a product that "everyone is going to have to buy anyway" strikes me as odd, yet it seems like most people don't see it that way. | Oct 30 02:31 |
| fewa | they wont buy it | Oct 30 02:31 |
| fewa | thats the point | Oct 30 02:31 |
| fewa | people don't like to "fix" what is not broken | Oct 30 02:32 |
| fewa | the propaganda advertising blitz it to convince them to just shut up and stay on the treadmill | Oct 30 02:32 |
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| Will___ | I'm hoping it will go the way of Bing. Believe it or not, I actually held out a wee bit of hope for Win7 to be decent until I heard it was going to be built on top of Vista. Killed it right there for me. | Oct 30 02:33 |
| Will___ | fewa: I guess more than anything, I'm just somewhat insulted by the how stupid/gullible Microsoft seems to think people are and encourages them to be. | Oct 30 02:35 |
| fewa | encourages them to be. | Oct 30 02:35 |
| fewa | thats the jist of it | Oct 30 02:35 |
| fewa | thats what all propaganda is about | Oct 30 02:36 |
| fewa | the "think people are" part is just wishfull thinking | Oct 30 02:36 |
| Will___ | fewa: well, the "reality distortion field" is something else Microsoft copied from Apple. | Oct 30 02:37 |
| fewa | oh, it existed long before Apple or Steve Jobs | Oct 30 02:37 |
| fewa | but yes, Microsoft has is playing copy-cat with Apple | Oct 30 02:37 |
| fewa | for a long time | Oct 30 02:38 |
| Will___ | But, yeah. Linux encourages people to get their hands dirty and learn as much as they want to. It's not as necessary today, but it's always an option. Even Macs generally project an encouragement to use their machines to explore one's creativity. Windows? What kind of attitude does it project? | Oct 30 02:41 |
| fewa | "Even Macs generally project an encouragement to use their machines to explore one's creativity. " | Oct 30 02:41 |
| fewa | not really | Oct 30 02:41 |
| fewa | Macs are a monoculture | Oct 30 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | Macs are more restrictive than Windows, by far | Oct 30 02:41 |
| fewa | ^^^ | Oct 30 02:41 |
| fewa | your just echoing the myths Will___ | Oct 30 02:41 |
| fewa | " What kind of attitude does it project? " | Oct 30 02:42 |
| fewa | translation: How good is Window's propaganda "image"? | Oct 30 02:42 |
| Will___ | true on both counts, but they have historically been marketed to artistic types. And yes, echoing the myths is exactly what I'm talking about. Not the realities, but the image. That's what I was examining. | Oct 30 02:42 |
| fewa | " historically been marketed to artistic types. " | Oct 30 02:42 |
| fewa | thats part of the image | Oct 30 02:42 |
| fewa | truth is, Macs are really being marketed to baby boomers | Oct 30 02:43 |
| fewa | but their deceptive marketing has been enormously successful in getting insecure teenagers and 20-something hipsters to pony up | Oct 30 02:43 |
| voltronw | fewa: the insecure teenagers with $2800 burning a hole in their pockets? | Oct 30 02:44 |
| fewa | baby boomers who are insecure about fitting it | Oct 30 02:44 |
| fewa | thats what Mac is all about: vanity | Oct 30 02:44 |
| fewa | the "creative" part is just the image | Oct 30 02:44 |
| voltronw | the vanity of not wanting to run windows | Oct 30 02:44 |
| fewa | I'm not saying that creative people dont use Apple computers, many do | Oct 30 02:45 |
| fewa | but that is not their majority constituency, as they would like people to believe | Oct 30 02:45 |
| fewa | and that constituency has alot of hate and frustration at Apple and Adobe for locking them down | Oct 30 02:46 |
| voltronw | fewa: are you basing this on any kind of data? | Oct 30 02:46 |
| fewa | go to yahoo answers, talk to that type of people | Oct 30 02:46 |
| fewa | there is great frustration against Adobe | Oct 30 02:46 |
| Will___ | Macs are simple, but sometimes restrictive. Almost always involve an extra hoop or two to jump through compared to Linux whenever to want to move outside the prepackaged stuff. Getting a math library installed on Linux? Click a check mark in the package manager. In OSX? Odds are, compile from source. | Oct 30 02:46 |
| voltronw | fewa: the plural of anecdote is not "data" | Oct 30 02:47 |
| fewa | there is alot of hate at Adobe for the money grabbing | Oct 30 02:47 |
| Will___ | And making Flash suck | Oct 30 02:47 |
| Will___ | on Linux | Oct 30 02:47 |
| Will___ | for a long time | Oct 30 02:47 |
| fewa | Flash is totally differn | Oct 30 02:47 |
| fewa | and entirely differn | Oct 30 02:47 |
| fewa | issue | Oct 30 02:47 |
| fewa | but I think if you look around you will find enormous evidence of the hate towards Adobe by "creative" types | Oct 30 02:47 |
| voltronw | fewa: where? | Oct 30 02:48 |
| cubezzz | Flash sucks period, it doesn't just suck on Linux | Oct 30 02:49 |
| Will___ | good point | Oct 30 02:49 |
| fewa | cubezzz, and obsolete with <video> <canvas> and <audio> | Oct 30 02:50 |
| cubezzz | what I think has happened is browsers have developed "Swiss Army Knife Syndrome" | Oct 30 02:50 |
| Will___ | yet, it practically required for a fully functional browsing experience | Oct 30 02:50 |
| cubezzz | they do so many things that it's overloaded | Oct 30 02:50 |
| Will___ | fewa: that's what I'm hoping, but it will take time | Oct 30 02:50 |
| fewa | Will___, you gotta get people to switch to Firefox | Oct 30 02:51 |
| fewa | which they are largely already doing | Oct 30 02:51 |
| cubezzz | I still use lynx sometimes, I don't miss flash that much | Oct 30 02:51 |
| cubezzz | I see flash as another type of lock-in | Oct 30 02:52 |
| fewa | flash is only critically used for video | Oct 30 02:52 |
| fewa | <video> is a major blow to flash | Oct 30 02:52 |
| fewa | I think if you replace that people will never miss flash | Oct 30 02:52 |
| cubezzz | there's tons of streaming protocols available | Oct 30 02:53 |
| cubezzz | why bother with flash? | Oct 30 02:53 |
| fewa | infact they will cheer, as no more flash ads | Oct 30 02:53 |
| fewa | the other thing flash is used for | Oct 30 02:53 |
| Will___ | fewa: Everyone I know already uses Firefox. | Oct 30 02:53 |
| fewa | thos loud obnoxous thinkgs | Oct 30 02:54 |
| fewa | Will___, yes, firefox is enormously successful | Oct 30 02:54 |
| cubezzz | so hopefully lock-in is decreasing, I'm not totally certain | Oct 30 02:57 |
| cubezzz | but I tend to think yes | Oct 30 02:57 |
| fewa | schestowitz, you got any information on who Apple actually sells to? | Oct 30 02:57 |
| fewa | cubezzz, there is little flash lock in | Oct 30 02:58 |
| fewa | as its only used for video | Oct 30 02:58 |
| cubezzz | maybe IE only web pages | Oct 30 02:58 |
| cubezzz | but I haven't come across too many of those lately | Oct 30 02:58 |
| cubezzz | tunecore comes to mind though | Oct 30 02:59 |
| fewa | if your site doesn't work in firefox, you are irrelevent | Oct 30 02:59 |
| cubezzz | tunecore submits your music to other online music sites | Oct 30 02:59 |
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| Will___ | fewa: Youtube still uses flash, right? That's kinda big for most people. | Oct 30 03:00 |
| cubezzz | and obviously any DRM laden media seems to need a proprietary OS | Oct 30 03:00 |
| fewa | Will___, yes, but as I said, its only video | Oct 30 03:01 |
| fewa | there is no lock in | Oct 30 03:01 |
| cubezzz | well, there's the ol' binary blob solution | Oct 30 03:01 |
| cubezzz | not really ideal | Oct 30 03:01 |
| fewa | blob==propritary | Oct 30 03:02 |
| cubezzz | for youtube there are scripts to download the flv file which can then be played with mplayer | Oct 30 03:04 |
| fewa | cubezzz, http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/34765 | Oct 30 03:05 |
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| fewa | I use Miro for youtube | Oct 30 03:05 |
| fewa | http://getmiro.com/ | Oct 30 03:05 |
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| cubezzz | right, there's no problem with youtube at all | Oct 30 03:05 |
| fewa | no lock in | Oct 30 03:05 |
| fewa | they can change things | Oct 30 03:06 |
| cubezzz | the web page of my city has IE only features | Oct 30 03:06 |
| fewa | outside of users control | Oct 30 03:06 |
| cubezzz | so if I pay a parking ticket online, I have to use windows | Oct 30 03:06 |
| fewa | and they respond to bogus DMCA notices usually by taking down the content | Oct 30 03:06 |
| cubezzz | or buy a dog license | Oct 30 03:06 |
| fewa | as the DMCA favors censorship | Oct 30 03:07 |
| fewa | cubezzz, tell them that | Oct 30 03:07 |
| fewa | that they should not discriminate, and should use open standards | Oct 30 03:07 |
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| cubezzz | oh, I complained about it to city council | Oct 30 03:07 |
| fewa | its a disgrace to have any public institution use non-standard protocols | Oct 30 03:07 |
| cubezzz | not sure if it did any good though | Oct 30 03:07 |
| fewa | when suitable standards exist | Oct 30 03:08 |
| fewa | talk to the IT dept | Oct 30 03:08 |
| cubezzz | I did that too :) | Oct 30 03:08 |
| fewa | get a group of people to sign a eptition | Oct 30 03:08 |
| cubezzz | actually I did some work for my city councilor :) | Oct 30 03:08 |
| fewa | and then talk to the city council _in the month before the election_ | Oct 30 03:08 |
| cubezzz | fixed his computer even | Oct 30 03:08 |
| fewa | o | Oct 30 03:08 |
| cubezzz | it shows how entrenched some bad things can be, but like I said, it's very non-common now | Oct 30 03:09 |
| fewa | well now you only have to show good reason to rewrite the web site | Oct 30 03:09 |
| fewa | "get them sort of addicted, and they we can collect in the next decade" | Oct 30 03:10 |
| cubezzz | I don't get parking tickets or buy a dog license very often | Oct 30 03:10 |
| cubezzz | still it's not too good some of my civic taxes go to pay for Microsoft software | Oct 30 03:11 |
| cubezzz | I can say that TVO, that is TV Ontario, never uses DRM | Oct 30 03:12 |
| fewa | most media doesn't cripple their content | Oct 30 03:13 |
| fewa | DRM is the exception | Oct 30 03:13 |
| cubezzz | I think most satellite channels encrypt though | Oct 30 03:13 |
| fewa | that only large media holders want | Oct 30 03:13 |
| fewa | ah yes | Oct 30 03:14 |
| fewa | I use the internet | Oct 30 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Oct 30 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | those Windows 7 Starter laptops went up $100 with the same hardware specs as the XP models, schestowitz | Oct 30 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | did you notice? | Oct 30 03:14 |
| fewa | I noticed | Oct 30 03:14 |
| cubezzz | fewa, so sopcast then? :) | Oct 30 03:15 |
| fewa | http://english.aljazeera.net/watchaje/2008717114526698333.html | Oct 30 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, I thought Microsoft didn't want to be undercut | Oct 30 03:15 |
| fewa | doesn't appear they use DRM | Oct 30 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | I thought that was the whole point of the XP Models | Oct 30 03:15 |
| cubezzz | Aljazeera is FTA I think | Oct 30 03:15 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, I think some of it is price fixing | Oct 30 03:15 |
| fewa | its probably on $30 or so | Oct 30 03:15 |
| fewa | but then Microsoft forces out small OEMs with anti-competition deals with the large sellers | Oct 30 03:16 |
| cubezzz | heh, so figure out what the windows 7 tax is | Oct 30 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Some models went up more than $100 when Windows 7 was put on them | Oct 30 03:16 |
| *cubezzz nods | Oct 30 03:16 | |
| DaemonFC | HP's netbooks on QVC went from $299 to $429 | Oct 30 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | $130 increase with Windows 7 Starter being the only difference | Oct 30 03:17 |
| cubezzz | that's a big increase | Oct 30 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | for $429, you can get a lower end dual core laptop with twice the screen space, and 4 gigs of RAM | Oct 30 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably the point of this | Oct 30 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | make the hardware on the netbook so craptacular in comparison to a real laptop at the same price | Oct 30 03:18 |
| cubezzz | kind of makes me think about building my own laptop | Oct 30 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | those netbooks only claim like 3.5 hours of battery life with the Intel Atom and the little bitty screen | Oct 30 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | a high capacity laptop battery can give you 4 hours, easy | Oct 30 03:19 |
| voltronw | do you guys think the new product from litl will gain any traction? | Oct 30 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | the 12 cell models | Oct 30 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is trying to make the netbook look like such a compelete pile of crap compared to lower end laptops | Oct 30 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | just like I figured when they started dictating hardware limits for netbooks | Oct 30 03:20 |
| cubezzz | there's lots alternative machines available | Oct 30 03:20 |
| fewa | and netbooks havn't gotten faster since a year and a half when the atoms were introduced | Oct 30 03:20 |
| cubezzz | no need to run to Future Shop or Best Buy, that's for certain | Oct 30 03:20 |
| fewa | it really seems to me like there is price fixing | Oct 30 03:21 |
| fewa | certainly microsoft's anti-competitive and IMHO illegal ban on 2GB ram has a role as well | Oct 30 03:21 |
| cubezzz | voltronw, do you mean these: http://www.littlepc.com/ | Oct 30 03:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Little pc provides small pc, small computer, mini pc, micro pc systems for limited space applications .::. Size~: 25.47 KB | Oct 30 03:22 |
| voltronw | cubezzz: nope | Oct 30 03:23 |
| voltronw | http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/litl-easel-web-computer-is-cute-as-a-baby-blue-button/ | Oct 30 03:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Litl Easel 'web computer' is cute as a baby-blue button .::. Size~: 99.58 KB | Oct 30 03:23 |
| voltronw | phIRCe-local: you are the dumbest bot in the history of irc. kill yourself. | Oct 30 03:24 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, never saw those before | Oct 30 03:24 |
| cubezzz | littlepc is too expensive | Oct 30 03:26 |
| cubezzz | I like panasonic toughbooks and sharp | Oct 30 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of these netbooks are either crap (XP), expensive crap (Windows 7), or toys (Linux) | Oct 30 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | the entire class of system is not a replacement for my Blackberry | Oct 30 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | the netbook isn't small, portable, or easy to connect to the internet on out in the middle of nowhere | Oct 30 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | and it costs too much for the few menial tasks it can do | Oct 30 03:30 |
| cubezzz | surely it isn't too difficult to make a list of all the features you want and then find something appropriate | Oct 30 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | I made the decision a while back to just stay with Blackberry | Oct 30 03:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @singlepayer Did you see this today? Sanders' will try to do what Weiner is trying to do:http://bit.ly/12LBST #hc #p2 | Oct 30 03:31 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm not defending Microsoft or anything before there are any knee jerk reactions | Oct 30 03:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sanders to push for single-payer vote: Rutland Herald Online .::. Size~: 38.1 KB | Oct 30 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Mobile is a laugh riot | Oct 30 03:32 |
| fewa | I dont want a locked down device like those phones | Oct 30 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | bulky, buggy, I could go on | Oct 30 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Phone software typically is locked down | Oct 30 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | you just get to choose who you want to pay | Oct 30 03:33 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : did u test Seamonkey 2.0 ? | Oct 30 03:33 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you mean how much you want to bleed? | Oct 30 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | Blackberry, in my opinion, is much superior to iPhone or Windows Mobile | Oct 30 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, That too | Oct 30 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | though my Blackberry wasn't all that expensive | Oct 30 03:33 |
| cubezzz | the thing is I'm almost always on the server or just an ssh away from a server | Oct 30 03:33 |
| fewa | you pay for it every month DaemonFC | Oct 30 03:34 |
| cubezzz | so no need for blackberry | Oct 30 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Centennial doesn't charge me extra to have a Blackberry | Oct 30 03:34 |
| cubezzz | I don't need to have internet at the park :-P | Oct 30 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | I pay the $10 a month for unlimited data though | Oct 30 03:34 |
| fewa | ahh you have a small carrier | Oct 30 03:34 |
| fewa | your lucky | Oct 30 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | that would be for any phone that uses internet though | Oct 30 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, AT&T charges an extra $35 a month to have one | Oct 30 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | and then the $15 for unlimited data | Oct 30 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | you'll be paying a small fortune just to have one | Oct 30 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, I saw Windows Mobile on the phone of someone I know | Oct 30 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | and played around with it for a few minutes | Oct 30 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty unintuitive | Oct 30 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | and the phones it runs on are huge and unattractive | Oct 30 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | and I'll bet the battery life really sucks | Oct 30 03:37 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACfn_KjDRU0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_CGYBJ0S-U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzIqhOI5J2w&feature=channel | Oct 30 03:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube - Tim Wu before Congress at the "iPhone Hearing" (July 11 '07) .::. Size~: 164.96 KB | Oct 30 03:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube - Congressman Dingell at "the iPhone Hearing" (July 11 '07) .::. Size~: 150.67 KB | Oct 30 03:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube - Jason Devitt testifies before Congress (July 11, 2007) .::. Size~: 168.31 KB | Oct 30 03:37 |
| fewa | I wont use the cell phone network until I can do so on a unlocked linux computer | Oct 30 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Testifying about corrupt industries to Congress while Bush is President and the Republicans are still strong enough to block any meaningful legislation | Oct 30 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds like an exercise in futility to me | Oct 30 03:40 |
| fewa | look at Dingells sensibility | Oct 30 03:40 |
| fewa | also there is bi-partisan support of the low power FM | Oct 30 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | bipartisan is such a bullshit word | Oct 30 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | no such thing | Oct 30 03:44 |
| fewa | OK, popular support | Oct 30 03:44 |
| fewa | everyone knows that lower power FM is good, and there is no technical reason against it | Oct 30 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | you can call something bipartisan easily | Oct 30 03:44 |
| fewa | it also doesn't kill any entrenched insustries that will pay big to keep the status quo | Oct 30 03:45 |
| fewa | the big broadcaster just dont have enough clout | Oct 30 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | the healthcare reform bill might get one Republican vote if they water it down enough and let the insurance cartel sodomize the American people without lubrication | Oct 30 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | you could then say it was a bipartisan bill | Oct 30 03:45 |
| fewa | no thats not bipartisanship | Oct 30 03:45 |
| fewa | LPFM is bipartisan however | Oct 30 03:46 |
| fewa | but really the attention should be on what the constituents want | Oct 30 03:46 |
| fewa | and how there is a huge difference between public opinion and public policy | Oct 30 03:46 |
| fewa | a massive democratic deficient on a whole range of important issues | Oct 30 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, The only people with the money to campaign are already corrupt | Oct 30 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | why bother? | Oct 30 03:49 |
| fewa | look at Dingells comments | Oct 30 03:50 |
| fewa | he understands the issue | Oct 30 03:50 |
| fewa | there are many other congressmen as well that do understand the issues | Oct 30 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, with Congress, there's no reason to even vote | Oct 30 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | the Kremlin has more turnover | Oct 30 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | CongressCritters even vote themselves great healthcare and great retirement benefits | Oct 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | cause they know that they'll be in office long enough to get a pension | Oct 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, voting for Senators makes a little bit more sense | Oct 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | seeing as how they can't game districts for Senate seats | Oct 30 03:52 |
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| DaemonFC | like the parties do for Congressional Districts | Oct 30 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, The reason the Republican nutjob, Dan Burton, is permenantly elected to Congress is cause the state Democrats drew the districting after the 2000 Census | Oct 30 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | and decided to "contain" the Republican voters here | Oct 30 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | so it makes no difference whether I vote for our representative, cause REpublican Dan Burton always wins | Oct 30 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | on a typical election year, less than 10% of the House seats are seriously contested, fewa | Oct 30 03:54 |
| fewa | yes, that is a serious problem | Oct 30 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, The entire legislative branch is totally the opposite of how it was conceived to work by the writers of the Constitution | Oct 30 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | the House was supposed to be the populist branch, the Senate was supposed to be indirectly elected by state legislators | Oct 30 03:56 |
| fewa | what state? | Oct 30 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Oct 30 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | instead we have the parties drawing the districting lines to keep themselves in power and most of the Representatives in the House permenently elected and protected from voter outrage | Oct 30 03:57 |
| fewa | ouch | Oct 30 03:58 |
| fewa | RepublicanDan Burton (incumbent)234,70565.5% | Oct 30 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | and the Senate is the populist one because the Constitution was amended so that Senators are directly elected by popular vote by all voters in a state | Oct 30 03:58 |
| fewa | RepublicanDan Burton (incumbent)234,70565.5% | Oct 30 03:58 |
| fewa | Turnout358,06259% | Oct 30 03:58 |
| fewa | yeah thats hard | Oct 30 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, For what it's worth, I always do vote against Burton | Oct 30 03:59 |
| fewa | Oct 30 03:59 | |
| fewa | DemocraticMary Ruley123,35734.5% | Oct 30 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | I vote for whoever is running against him | Oct 30 03:59 |
| fewa | you would have to get alot of new voters | Oct 30 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | I voted for her | Oct 30 03:59 |
| fewa | wait, that turnout doesn't include those that are not registered | Oct 30 03:59 |
| fewa | I hate that about US numbers | Oct 30 03:59 |
| fewa | they are deceptive | Oct 30 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | 59% of registered voters | Oct 30 04:00 |
| fewa | but what percentage of eligable citizens are registered? | Oct 30 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | and registered voters = about half of those eligible to register | Oct 30 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | rule of thumb | Oct 30 04:00 |
| fewa | well then it can change | Oct 30 04:00 |
| fewa | there is plenty of room | Oct 30 04:00 |
| fewa | you just have to get people registered | Oct 30 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, There's another deceptive thing in there | Oct 30 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | not every registered voter that turns out voted for every office | Oct 30 04:01 |
| fewa | this is why the Republican part is so adamate about punishing ACORN | Oct 30 04:01 |
| fewa | with a unconstitutional bill of attainder | Oct 30 04:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I love how they tried to scam acorn | Oct 30 04:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | they sent a film maker to try to sting acorn | Oct 30 04:02 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKz5ZHM8kFM | Oct 30 04:02 |
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| fewa | It illegal | Oct 30 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | ACORN was trying to defraud HUD into paying for housing for pimps and prostitutes | Oct 30 04:02 |
| fewa | it against even constitutional principal | Oct 30 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: nope | Oct 30 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | the republicans tried to get the film maker to prove that | Oct 30 04:02 |
| fewa | Madison, US v Brown | Oct 30 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is, he failed to tell anyone he failed the first three times | Oct 30 04:02 |
| fewa | thats congress framer Madison | Oct 30 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the fourth time looks like he hired someone to play an acorn employee | Oct 30 04:02 |
| fewa | the Republican party should be renamed the unconstitutional party | Oct 30 04:02 |
| fewa | warrantless spying, bills of attainder, etc | Oct 30 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Oct 30 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | indefinite detention without charges | Oct 30 04:04 |
| fewa | summary execution | Oct 30 04:04 |
| fewa | extraordinary rendition | Oct 30 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | no habeas corpus | Oct 30 04:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | soon as we get rid of the republicans | Oct 30 04:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | the nation will be 33% better | Oct 30 04:04 |
| fewa | "I give you a Republic madam, if you can keep it" Ben Franklin | Oct 30 04:05 |
| fewa | and the "Republicans" are doing their best to destroying it | Oct 30 04:05 |
| fewa | the corrupt ones, that is | Oct 30 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN#2009:_Undercover_videos_controversy | Oct 30 04:06 |
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| DaemonFC | On September 9, 2009, conservative activists Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe released an edited hidden-camera video in which they posed as a prostitute and a pimp in order to elicit responses from ACORN. In the video, two employees in ACORN's Baltimore office advised the two regarding home loans, tax evasion, and disguising the identities of underaged sex workers trafficked from El Salvador. Similar videos followed, filmed i | Oct 30 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | n Washington, D.C., Brooklyn (New York), San Diego, California, San Bernardino, California, and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.[44][61][62] | Oct 30 04:06 |
| fewa | imaginary, not prosecuted crime | Oct 30 04:09 |
| fewa | against every principal of sound legislation | Oct 30 04:27 |
| fewa | where did "twitter" go? | Oct 30 04:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oh, damn, I felt asleep yesterday. Seeding the Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop edition now via Bittorrent. Will keep it up until Monday. | Oct 30 05:35 | |
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| treestrump | news just said the European Airline industry, will have it's "up's and downs". !!!!! :) | Oct 30 05:45 |
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| Diablo-D3 | argfh! | Oct 30 05:47 |
| *amarsh04 just chewed out Australia Post over a lost registered letter... might be worth a few letters to parliamentarians | Oct 30 06:26 | |
| fewa | geeze | Oct 30 06:29 |
| amarsh04 | Australia Post apparently can't tell if a registered item has gone missing unless the sender or recipient reports it missing | Oct 30 06:31 |
| amarsh04 | so much for relying on registered post | Oct 30 06:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] tied racquetball tonight 2 to 2. I think I've hit a plateau. Need to figure out where to go from here to win more consistently. | Oct 30 06:33 | |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: Im pretty sure you could sue them | Oct 30 06:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | then again, .au doesnt even have a system of law | Oct 30 06:34 |
| amarsh04 | I should be able to claim up to $100 and also raise a matter of false advertising of the service - not warning the sender to report items not confirmed as delivered | Oct 30 06:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | man, if the US post office did that | Oct 30 06:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd piss off lawyers | Oct 30 06:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, let me take that back | Oct 30 06:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | lawyers use fedex for sameday document delivery | Oct 30 06:36 |
| amarsh04 | fedex were worse to me... claimed to have tried to deliver an item when I was home but didn't ring the doorbell | Oct 30 06:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: they do that here too | Oct 30 06:37 |
| amarsh04 | so I've heard, Diablo-D3 | Oct 30 06:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont give a shit usually | Oct 30 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | they come back the next day | Oct 30 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | the real problem is | Oct 30 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I've paid for same day or next day | Oct 30 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | then I jump down their throats | Oct 30 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | which I havent actually had to do any actual jumping down of throats | Oct 30 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | surprisingly, they already know when its safe to piss me off | Oct 30 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | clearly, they know how to run a business | Oct 30 06:39 |
| amarsh04 | this was a Friday, and I couldn't get to the airport during the time-frame that the deliverer was back and the office was open, so I had to wait until Monday afternoon | Oct 30 06:39 |
| amarsh04 | this was an order from amazon.co.jp where I was given no choice of delivery method | Oct 30 06:40 |
| amarsh04 | so fedex know that I'm not happy with them and so do amazon.co.jp | Oct 30 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Oct 30 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | still | Oct 30 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | all services act one way | Oct 30 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | the more you pay, the less likely they want to piss you off | Oct 30 06:41 |
| amarsh04 | fedex was considerably more expensive and took longer than cdjapan.co.jp who used the postal service | Oct 30 06:42 |
| amarsh04 | the postal service at least have real people at my end who have dealt with me for many years | Oct 30 06:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware is Gaining and Hospitals Require it Too http://ur1.ca/erof http://ur1.ca/erog | Oct 30 07:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Lessons Our Leaders Did NOT Learn From #Vietnam ! @RepWalterJones http://ur1.ca/erpu #war #iraq #afghanistan | Oct 30 07:51 | |
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| pawel_pfk | hello | Oct 30 09:35 |
| pawel_pfk | I found sun is spreading FUD about Linux | Oct 30 09:35 |
| pawel_pfk | it's probably part of solaris 10 advertisement | Oct 30 09:35 |
| pawel_pfk | last time it was Bonwick, but Dave - Linux dev wrote response on his blog to Bonwick's lies | Oct 30 09:36 |
| pawel_pfk | http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2007/04/10#bonwick_scalability | Oct 30 09:36 |
| pawel_pfk | and now, it's some other maggot | Oct 30 09:36 |
| pawel_pfk | : | Oct 30 09:36 |
| pawel_pfk | http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml | Oct 30 09:36 |
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| pawel_pfk | he repeats Bonwick bull, but ads more text | Oct 30 09:37 |
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| pawel_pfk | is there possibility to post article about this? | Oct 30 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Oct 30 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Let me see | Oct 30 09:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] No #Yahoo for #Microsoft, #CarlIcahn Sued by #GoldmanSachs http://ping.fm/zE2Da | Oct 30 09:46 | |
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| schestowitz | pawel_pfk: is this a new thing? | Oct 30 09:47 |
| schestowitz | It looks like older stuff | Oct 30 09:47 |
| pawel_pfk | yes, it's from current year | Oct 30 09:47 |
| pawel_pfk | afaik it's written article is made since 2005 | Oct 30 09:48 |
| pawel_pfk | it seems it's still in 'production' | Oct 30 09:49 |
| pawel_pfk | they even quote m$ Balmer there and encourage to read windows evangelism documents | Oct 30 09:51 |
| pawel_pfk | it's aimed directly against Linux | Oct 30 09:51 |
| pawel_pfk | Created Jan 2, 2005. Last modified: September 15, 2009 | Oct 30 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Balmer fear of Linux is justified. Remember Unix guys at one point said that Linux could never take over there markets due to not being able to match what there full time developers were doing. | Oct 30 09:52 |
| pawel_pfk | so quite new | Oct 30 09:52 |
| pawel_pfk | sun wants to make more mony on dying cow which Solaris is :> | Oct 30 09:53 |
| pawel_pfk | money* | Oct 30 09:53 |
| pawel_pfk | it always attacks Linux - remember Solaris is better Linux than Linux campaign? | Oct 30 09:54 |
| oiaohm | For a time that was true pawel_pfk | Oct 30 09:54 |
| pawel_pfk | maybe :) | Oct 30 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Solaris was the techincally strongest of all the Unix's. | Oct 30 09:55 |
| pawel_pfk | yep, but it was quite long ago | Oct 30 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Still has some techincal advantages over Linux. | Oct 30 09:55 |
| pawel_pfk | yep, ZFS and DTrace | Oct 30 09:55 |
| oiaohm | But they are fading fast. | Oct 30 09:55 |
| pawel_pfk | but this article is full of bull | Oct 30 09:56 |
| oiaohm | 2.6.32 mostly takes out Dtrace | Oct 30 09:56 |
| pawel_pfk | typical marceting crap in this case | Oct 30 09:56 |
| pawel_pfk | I know :> | Oct 30 09:56 |
| oiaohm | You forget zones pawel_pfk | Oct 30 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel is still working on catching up with them. | Oct 30 09:56 |
| pawel_pfk | oiaohm: yes, but they're working on them | Oct 30 09:56 |
| pawel_pfk | in few areas only | Oct 30 09:57 |
| pawel_pfk | like zones and fs | Oct 30 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Othere area is management software. | Oct 30 09:57 |
| pawel_pfk | when comes to scallability Linux owns | Oct 30 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Linux management software still needs more work. | Oct 30 09:57 |
| pawel_pfk | ok, but let's not make a flame here :) | Oct 30 09:57 |
| oiaohm | But that is the list. | Oct 30 09:58 |
| pawel_pfk | if you'll read this article you'll see there are many lies | Oct 30 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Link to artical. | Oct 30 09:58 |
| oiaohm | I entered after link being said here I guess. | Oct 30 09:58 |
| pawel_pfk | http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml | Oct 30 09:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KB | Oct 30 09:58 |
| pawel_pfk | and Linux dev response to previous bull: | Oct 30 09:59 |
| pawel_pfk | http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2007/04/10#bonwick_scalability | Oct 30 09:59 |
| pawel_pfk | sun definetly wants to rise solaris 10 sales by spreading FUD about Linux | Oct 30 10:00 |
| pawel_pfk | its advertisements are everywhere - phoronix, linux.com (lol) and at some other sides | Oct 30 10:01 |
| pawel_pfk | sites* sorry | Oct 30 10:01 |
| oiaohm | That is a older document reposted ie solaris vs Linux | Oct 30 10:02 |
| pawel_pfk | it's updated in september 09 | Oct 30 10:02 |
| oiaohm | 2005 is not when I first saw it. | Oct 30 10:02 |
| oiaohm | Year 2000 I saw that document. | Oct 30 10:02 |
| pawel_pfk | alright :) | Oct 30 10:02 |
| oiaohm | In the context of year 2000 most of it is correct. | Oct 30 10:03 |
| pawel_pfk | I found it yesterday and I thought it's from current year | Oct 30 10:03 |
| pawel_pfk | however, they mentioned btrfs there | Oct 30 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Its really lacking in corrections to keep it update. | Oct 30 10:03 |
| pawel_pfk | so it's being updated all the time | Oct 30 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Most of the corrections are making the document more and more invalid. | Oct 30 10:03 |
| pawel_pfk | this is obvious, mostly there are lies :) | Oct 30 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Lazy writer at work. | Oct 30 10:04 |
| pawel_pfk | we'll see if they start linking some sites to this article | Oct 30 10:05 |
| pawel_pfk | and then, maybe it will be worth to mention something about it? | Oct 30 10:06 |
| pawel_pfk | if it will happen of course | Oct 30 10:06 |
| oiaohm | Some of the stuff is still true. | Oct 30 10:07 |
| oiaohm | Like lack of focus on creating and maintaining the documentation. | Oct 30 10:07 |
| oiaohm | Blender conf recently almost rioted over it. | Oct 30 10:07 |
| pawel_pfk | yep, but documentation itself is dead :) | Oct 30 10:07 |
| pawel_pfk | of course, there are probably some good points, but everything is written to show solaris as perfect os | Oct 30 10:08 |
| pawel_pfk | and Linux as the worst | Oct 30 10:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AlexBrown is #Microsoft ’s “Insider Friend, ‘the Fox’” http://ping.fm/2R9de shameless shill for Microsoft | Oct 30 10:08 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Alex Brown is Microsofts “Insider Friend, ‘the Fox’” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.38 KB | Oct 30 10:09 |
| oiaohm | Yet in recent years solarias documentatio have slipped | Oct 30 10:09 |
| oiaohm | Same issue as linux not enough people maintaining it. | Oct 30 10:09 |
| schestowitz | pawel_pfk: is Sun tied to these latest smears? | Oct 30 10:09 |
| schestowitz | They can say it's "some guy" | Oct 30 10:10 |
| pawel_pfk | schestowits: sun always acts in this way | Oct 30 10:10 |
| oiaohm | What gets me is it is a pure recycled documents. | Oct 30 10:10 |
| oiaohm | This is no sun normal method. | Oct 30 10:10 |
| oiaohm | no/not | Oct 30 10:10 |
| pawel_pfk | schestowits: they use blogs and some people to attack others | Oct 30 10:10 |
| pawel_pfk | probably never directly | Oct 30 10:11 |
| oiaohm | pawel_pfk: Sun PR teams do act directly. | Oct 30 10:11 |
| pawel_pfk | oiaohm: yes? | Oct 30 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Normally with valid documents. | Oct 30 10:11 |
| schestowitz | Which blogs? | Oct 30 10:11 |
| pawel_pfk | schestowitz: i.e. Bonwick | Oct 30 10:11 |
| oiaohm | One document is not valid you really have to wonder who. | Oct 30 10:11 |
| pawel_pfk | this guy worked at ZFS | Oct 30 10:11 |
| pawel_pfk | oiaohm: what document? :) | Oct 30 10:12 |
| pawel_pfk | http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/solaris_inside | Oct 30 10:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Solaris Inside : Jeff Bonwick's Blog .::. Size~: 23.54 KB | Oct 30 10:12 |
| pawel_pfk | he spreaded FUD some time ago on his blog | Oct 30 10:13 |
| pawel_pfk | and I gave Dave response to this FUD before | Oct 30 10:13 |
| pawel_pfk | but it's from 07 afaik | Oct 30 10:13 |
| oiaohm | It not 100 percent FUD. | Oct 30 10:14 |
| oiaohm | Around 2007 Linux was not getting the same percentage of yield from cpu cores as what solarias was. | Oct 30 10:14 |
| pawel_pfk | maybe not 100 percent | Oct 30 10:14 |
| pawel_pfk | Dave said something else | Oct 30 10:14 |
| oiaohm | He also pointed to the issue. | Oct 30 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Fs of Linux was still single data stream. | Oct 30 10:15 |
| pawel_pfk | and Dave explained why it was like this :) | Oct 30 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Only fixed in 2.6.32 by the way the data stream issue. | Oct 30 10:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | [06:11:34] <oiaohm> Around 2007 Linux was not getting the same percentage of yield from cpu cores as what solarias was. | Oct 30 10:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | probably an accounting error | Oct 30 10:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | bfs > * | Oct 30 10:16 |
| pawel_pfk | oiaohm: probably not, because there's written about this 'issue' at lkml and it was configuration problem | Oct 30 10:16 |
| pawel_pfk | something related to childs | Oct 30 10:16 |
| oiaohm | It was a mixture of things. | Oct 30 10:16 |
| oiaohm | When solarias put in zfs they fixed there lower filesystem stack. | Oct 30 10:17 |
| pawel_pfk | I checked and even 2.6.8 scalled easily up to 64 CPUs | Oct 30 10:17 |
| oiaohm | That did make a major performance difference | Oct 30 10:17 |
| pawel_pfk | but Bonwick said it was Linux problem, but it was just configuration problem | Oct 30 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Since 2.6.8 you are aware that Linux has many times doubled it processing on 128 cpu systems. | Oct 30 10:17 |
| pawel_pfk | there's a thread about this | Oct 30 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Ie its yield numbers. | Oct 30 10:18 |
| oiaohm | These days the 2007 stuff is pointless the issues that caused the yield to be low is mostly gone. | Oct 30 10:18 |
| pawel_pfk | but it's not related :) | Oct 30 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Locks filesystem particular vfs kernel locking . | Oct 30 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes the Blasted big kernel lock. | Oct 30 10:19 |
| pawel_pfk | Bonwick said Linux scales worst then Solaris, but Linux scalled much better those times | Oct 30 10:19 |
| pawel_pfk | and it scales far better now | Oct 30 10:19 |
| pawel_pfk | he just lied | Oct 30 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Under particular work loads Bonwick was right. | Oct 30 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Filesystem work loads. | Oct 30 10:20 |
| pawel_pfk | no, he mentioned SGI | Oct 30 10:20 |
| pawel_pfk | and it was explained it was just configuration problem | Oct 30 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Guess what section Bonwick works on in Solarias | Oct 30 10:20 |
| pawel_pfk | he worked on zfs | Oct 30 10:20 |
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| pawel_pfk | but it doesn't matter too much | Oct 30 10:20 |
| pawel_pfk | if sun paid him, he sold his mind ;) | Oct 30 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Solarias filesystem vfs did not have a big kernel lock in it like Linux. | Oct 30 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Hitting the lock to lock everything in the vfs was not a good thing. | Oct 30 10:21 |
| pawel_pfk | however, Linux had and has RCU | Oct 30 10:21 |
| pawel_pfk | and it makes a big difference | Oct 30 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Only recently did Linux vfs move to RCU | Oct 30 10:21 |
| binky | morning folks. has anyone heard more about the layoffs at novell this week? | Oct 30 10:21 |
| pawel_pfk | those time Bonwick was lying, Linux had RCU | Oct 30 10:22 |
| oiaohm | If people had taken Bonwick answers in context to where it works we might have got the vfs in Linux fixed sooner. | Oct 30 10:22 |
| pawel_pfk | oiaohm: its explained in Dave's response | Oct 30 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Dave responed to general all round pow | Oct 30 10:23 |
| oiaohm | pawel_pfk: | Oct 30 10:23 |
| oiaohm | General all round Dava was right. | Oct 30 10:23 |
| oiaohm | But there was a pocket of hell. | Oct 30 10:23 |
| pawel_pfk | it's just sun's nature :) | Oct 30 10:23 |
| pawel_pfk | they always attack via blogs etc. | Oct 30 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Its knowing sun developers. | Oct 30 10:23 |
| pawel_pfk | why they didn't make official statement? | Oct 30 10:23 |
| pawel_pfk | because they feared | Oct 30 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Sun developers work inside a particualy field and are known to be tunneled vissioned. | Oct 30 10:24 |
| pawel_pfk | hehe ;D | Oct 30 10:24 |
| oiaohm | So if you take there blog posts with that. They can point you to critical areas of issues. | Oct 30 10:24 |
| pawel_pfk | but usually those isues are imaginable | Oct 30 10:25 |
| pawel_pfk | normal devs don't play in such games | Oct 30 10:25 |
| oiaohm | I am sorry to say it happens to normal developers as well. | Oct 30 10:25 |
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| pawel_pfk | normally any dev don't attack others imho | Oct 30 10:26 |
| pawel_pfk | till he's paid | Oct 30 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Its like the developers in the Linux kernel saying having to scheduler at fault. | Oct 30 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Even when it was major locking issues. | Oct 30 10:26 |
| pawel_pfk | they're talking about their project | Oct 30 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Or that Linux out benches something else. | Oct 30 10:26 |
| pawel_pfk | I never saw they something like this | Oct 30 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time they do include the context sometimes they forget including. | Oct 30 10:27 |
| pawel_pfk | usually they responed to other benchmarks | Oct 30 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Normally do correct it. | Oct 30 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Just sun developers are not known for doing the correct. They just keep on moving forward. | Oct 30 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Notice the sun developer did provide context. | Oct 30 10:28 |
| pawel_pfk | in my opinion in your interest is to protect sun and it seems a little flame is starting, so maybe we'll better stop here? | Oct 30 10:28 |
| oiaohm | But if you were developing a storage appliance << Most people missed it including you pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:28 |
| oiaohm | In a storage appliance what is critical. | Oct 30 10:28 |
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| oiaohm | File system not data processing. | Oct 30 10:29 |
| pawel_pfk | my point is just to point sun is using blogs to attack Linux and spread lies and FUD about it :) | Oct 30 10:29 |
| pawel_pfk | I don't care about other things right now | Oct 30 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Half the issue is people only have read the post. | Oct 30 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Take there own context away and cause all kinds of problems. | Oct 30 10:30 |
| oiaohm | This problem is not unique to sun blogs either. | Oct 30 10:30 |
| oiaohm | IBM blogs have had the same issue. | Oct 30 10:30 |
| pawel_pfk | doesn't change a thing | Oct 30 10:30 |
| pawel_pfk | they must protect themselves right? | Oct 30 10:31 |
| pawel_pfk | I said what I wanted to say, I'm not interested in other things | Oct 30 10:31 |
| pawel_pfk | the fact is sun spreads FUD about Linux using blogs | Oct 30 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Most of it read correct is not FUD. | Oct 30 10:32 |
| pawel_pfk | if IBM do the same against i. e. sun I don't care | Oct 30 10:32 |
| pawel_pfk | nope, it is | Oct 30 10:32 |
| treestrump | any examples? | Oct 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | That one read in context is right pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:32 |
| pawel_pfk | there's no single proof, except some sun benchmarks which isn't trusworthy | Oct 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Just everyone else reading it complete forgot the "if you were developing a storage appliance" | Oct 30 10:33 |
| pawel_pfk | you didn't read, so you don't know what I'm according to | Oct 30 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Its a complete different kettle of fish to developing a cluster to data process. | Oct 30 10:33 |
| pawel_pfk | some proofs... : | Oct 30 10:33 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of different white papers that have been abused same kinds of ways taking bits out of context. | Oct 30 10:34 |
| pawel_pfk | one of the titles: | Oct 30 10:34 |
| pawel_pfk | Solaris as a cultural phenomenon | Oct 30 10:34 |
| oiaohm | The biggest classic was "secuirty by obsecuirty" taken by MS. | Oct 30 10:34 |
| pawel_pfk | they've got to be kidding | Oct 30 10:34 |
| oiaohm | obsecuirty is creating secrects attackers cannot simply find out. Ie closed source binaries is not secuirty by obsecuirty because too many people have copies of it. | Oct 30 10:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive New Migration to #FreeSoftware in French Authorities; #Gendarmerie Should Delete #Mono http://ping.fm/JG30U | Oct 30 10:35 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Massive New Migration to Free Software in French Authorities; Gendarmerie Should Delete Mono | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.61 KB | Oct 30 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Human nature is to take context wrong pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Now you could claim sun blogger are stealthing and cause others to take up FUD by mistake but don't do FUD themselves. | Oct 30 10:36 |
| pawel_pfk | True, micro kernels might be a "total crap" if you compare them with the simple uniprocessor kernel of the size of Linux kernel 1.0. But the situation might be a little bit different with SMP-support and related additional complexity of all key subsystems that made kernel 2.6 many times bigger. | Oct 30 10:37 |
| pawel_pfk | Solaris if far more complex | Oct 30 10:38 |
| pawel_pfk | it's natural 2.6 is bigger, because it brought many imporvements | Oct 30 10:38 |
| pawel_pfk | but this person doesn't understand this | Oct 30 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Lot of core of Linux is reducing in size pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:38 |
| pawel_pfk | so that's good sin't it? | Oct 30 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Sadly there is bloat and duplication to remove. But its nothing like the ammount MS windows. | Oct 30 10:39 |
| oiaohm | has in duplication. | Oct 30 10:39 |
| pawel_pfk | solaris situation is far worse | Oct 30 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Even micro kernels at times have advantages over Linux in the right locations. | Oct 30 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Higher crash resistance that micro kernels can have due to less running in ring 0. | Oct 30 10:41 |
| pawel_pfk | oiaohm: but I'm not interested in this | Oct 30 10:42 |
| pawel_pfk | Until version 2.6 Linux just cannot compete on its own outside several highly specialized areas (only SGI has limited success in this area with their highly modified fully 64-bit Linux). The situation is improved with version 2.6 that provides more or less full 64-bit support, but it might be too little and too late to change the dynamics of this flat (or even shrinking) and very conservative market, where each previous investment strongly | Oct 30 10:42 |
| pawel_pfk | suggests the next. You just need to think about IBM mainframes which are still compatible with programs written in early 60th of the last century. Linux track record in compatibility is simply horrible and as such Linux clearly is out of taste for mainframe buyers. | Oct 30 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Everything has the price if solarias could not beat Linux in someareas I would be supprised. | Oct 30 10:42 |
| pawel_pfk | this is total bull what they said here | Oct 30 10:42 |
| pawel_pfk | they mention first 2.6 kernel | Oct 30 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Not total bull SGI was replacing the 2.4 network stack. | Oct 30 10:43 |
| pawel_pfk | and how it is related? | Oct 30 10:43 |
| oiaohm | That is valid for highly modified. | Oct 30 10:43 |
| pawel_pfk | nope | Oct 30 10:43 |
| pawel_pfk | his according to scallability and 64-bit support | Oct 30 10:44 |
| pawel_pfk | and he simply lies | Oct 30 10:44 |
| pawel_pfk | and he also lies about compatibility | Oct 30 10:45 |
| pawel_pfk | Linux can run first Linux binaries | Oct 30 10:45 |
| pawel_pfk | still* | Oct 30 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Not 100 percent true pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:45 |
| pawel_pfk | this article is not even 5% true ;) | Oct 30 10:45 |
| oiaohm | IBM mainframes do it by virtualisation support. | Oct 30 10:45 |
| oiaohm | What Linux is now getting. | Oct 30 10:46 |
| pawel_pfk | again you're wrong | Oct 30 10:46 |
| pawel_pfk | Linux kernel can run such old Linux binaries natively | Oct 30 10:46 |
| oiaohm | There are particular network control calls that current Linux kernel does not have. | Oct 30 10:46 |
| pawel_pfk | and how is this related? | Oct 30 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Particular programs are kernel major numbers dependant. | Oct 30 10:46 |
| pawel_pfk | and? | Oct 30 10:47 |
| pawel_pfk | it doesn't change a thing | Oct 30 10:47 |
| oiaohm | IBM mainframes get around by being able to virtualize syscalls. | Oct 30 10:47 |
| treestrump | the ABI's have changed | Oct 30 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Same like freebsd. | Oct 30 10:47 |
| pawel_pfk | another part of FUD: | Oct 30 10:48 |
| pawel_pfk | Dump infrastructure in linux is primitive and buggy. Tracing also leaves much to be desired and far behind the capabilities of DTrace. Due to better instrumentation with proper tuning Solaris 10 can achieve performance comparative or better then linux on X86 architecture. | Oct 30 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Hopefull at somepoint cgroups provide that to Linux pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:48 |
| pawel_pfk | afaik there's a better tool than dtrace, it's not such invasive | Oct 30 10:48 |
| pawel_pfk | they wish solaris will achieve same or better performance on x86 | Oct 30 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Lack of Dtrace has been a major headache to sorting out performance. http://blog.fenrus.org/?p=5 << Like this. | Oct 30 10:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Introducing timechart « Arjan van de Ven's blog .::. Size~: 52.51 KB | Oct 30 10:49 |
| oiaohm | What we have now. | Oct 30 10:49 |
| oiaohm | there was a way to create charts from dtrace helping massively. | Oct 30 10:49 |
| pawel_pfk | currently there are such tools | Oct 30 10:49 |
| oiaohm | They are only recent pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:50 |
| oiaohm | At the time of artical it does have some valid points. | Oct 30 10:50 |
| pawel_pfk | very few | Oct 30 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Now comared to today its dead. | Oct 30 10:50 |
| pawel_pfk | article? | Oct 30 10:50 |
| oiaohm | It has very few points total. | Oct 30 10:51 |
| pawel_pfk | yes and they're usually not correct | Oct 30 10:51 |
| oiaohm | They are correct. | Oct 30 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Just over pushed. | Oct 30 10:51 |
| pawel_pfk | many are not correct :) | Oct 30 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Most are correct. | Oct 30 10:51 |
| pawel_pfk | but you didn't read a whole article | Oct 30 10:51 |
| oiaohm | At that time. | Oct 30 10:51 |
| pawel_pfk | it's hard to say to what time this article is related | Oct 30 10:52 |
| oiaohm | But people are reading way too much into them. | Oct 30 10:52 |
| pawel_pfk | it seems it's related to current year, because there was an update | Oct 30 10:52 |
| pawel_pfk | and they mention Solaris 10, so it must be related to current year | Oct 30 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Also did you not read the top of the document. "Copyright 2005-2009, Dr. Nikolai Bezroukov. This is a copyrighted unpublished work. All rights reserved." | Oct 30 10:53 |
| pawel_pfk | yep | Oct 30 10:53 |
| oiaohm | unpublished work equals draft. | Oct 30 10:53 |
| pawel_pfk | this is a way such cowards like sun acts | Oct 30 10:53 |
| pawel_pfk | but it's published :> | Oct 30 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Should be expected to be spreed over 2005 to 2009 of entries. | Oct 30 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Declare of unpublished says draft even if it posted or not. | Oct 30 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Its posted for feed back to correct errors pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:54 |
| pawel_pfk | I know, but google bots read it | Oct 30 10:55 |
| pawel_pfk | and some people also | Oct 30 10:55 |
| oiaohm | And that document need a lot. | Oct 30 10:55 |
| pawel_pfk | the best would be to delete this bull, too much to correct | Oct 30 10:55 |
| oiaohm | People are dumb. | Oct 30 10:55 |
| pawel_pfk | sadly, but true | Oct 30 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Its not that sun has done anything wrong as such. | Oct 30 10:55 |
| oiaohm | They are purely depending on the DUMB to turn a draft document into fud. | Oct 30 10:56 |
| pawel_pfk | nope, their marketing guys probably said it will be a nice solaris 10 advertisement | Oct 30 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Since the sections in the draft were correct at some time in the 2005-2009 time window they are home free from a white paper | Oct 30 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Now any white paper that is draft should never be quoted. | Oct 30 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Because its draft and could have to be corrected. | Oct 30 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Now if you could find SUN marketing people quoting it you would have them by the balls pawel_pfk | Oct 30 10:58 |
| pawel_pfk | it's unfinished to not let other people act officialy | Oct 30 10:58 |
| treestrump | unpublished only means it has not been published in a journal, like most blogs | Oct 30 10:58 |
| pawel_pfk | so, it seems it's another sun attack via 'blog' | Oct 30 10:58 |
| oiaohm | unpublished also does not mean released as final version treestrump | Oct 30 10:58 |
| pawel_pfk | unfinished is a shield in this case | Oct 30 10:59 |
| pawel_pfk | nobody says it's a final version | Oct 30 10:59 |
| treestrump | nobody says it's a draft either. | Oct 30 10:59 |
| pawel_pfk | current version is just a piece of bull | Oct 30 10:59 |
| oiaohm | unpublished documents are also not meant to be quoted from treestrump. No peer review. | Oct 30 11:00 |
| oiaohm | For defects. | Oct 30 11:00 |
| pawel_pfk | for protection and because of cowardness | Oct 30 11:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Back In Business | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yzmkbcg | Oct 30 11:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Back In Business | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 11.57 KB | Oct 30 11:01 |
| pawel_pfk | I just wanted to point sun stills spread FUD against Linux, you'll do what you want :) | Oct 30 11:01 |
| oiaohm | pawel_pfk: anywhere SUN marketing quote it. Or is it SUN letting other idiots quote it missing the documents status. | Oct 30 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Its not FUD as such pawel_pfk | Oct 30 11:02 |
| pawel_pfk | they use it just to advertise Solaris 10 and to attack Linux, that's all | Oct 30 11:02 |
| oiaohm | They are purely depending on idiot people to run it into FUD. | Oct 30 11:02 |
| pawel_pfk | other things don't matter | Oct 30 11:02 |
| pawel_pfk | nope, it's a fud | Oct 30 11:02 |
| pawel_pfk | but you proved you have problems to understand some points | Oct 30 11:03 |
| pawel_pfk | so we don't have anythin more to talk about :) | Oct 30 11:03 |
| oiaohm | A pure fud attack attempts to look true document. | Oct 30 11:03 |
| oiaohm | SUN ones don't. | Oct 30 11:03 |
| pawel_pfk | if this article will be finished or more popular think of writing about it | Oct 30 11:04 |
| pawel_pfk | have a nice day, Bye | Oct 30 11:04 |
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| oiaohm | They have there own veration of it. | Oct 30 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Copyright 2005-2009, Dr. Nikolai Bezroukov. This is a copyrighted unpublished work. All rights reserved. << Note the All rights reserved. | Oct 30 11:05 |
| oiaohm | No one really has the right to publish it to use it. | Oct 30 11:05 |
| treestrump | it's just a normal standard copyright notice, thats how they all are. | Oct 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Is it me or pawel_pfk was trying to get us to attack sun without 100 percent valid grounds. Yes what sun does is far more sneaky but is not FUD because can be disproven quicky. | Oct 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | There is no other copyright notices to allow any other usage treestrump not all are that way. | Oct 30 11:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Even Worse Than #Vista in Some Ways — Claim http://ping.fm/XQvac | Oct 30 11:10 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml Also read the notes on that document treestrump | Oct 30 11:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KB | Oct 30 11:12 |
| oiaohm | This paper covers results of the research in progress. << The line of fear. Yes research in progress incomplete document. | Oct 30 11:13 |
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| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4372 Nice more MS money bleeding into useless departments. | Oct 30 11:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Thank you very much for posting the link to http://tinyurl.com/yhvhufl Roy. That was what I was looking for, for weeks. | Oct 30 11:20 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Open Sourcerer » How to remove Mono from Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala .::. Size~: 62.44 KB | Oct 30 11:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono and #Fraud http://ping.fm/xPcIK | Oct 30 11:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst you're welcome | Oct 30 11:30 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks, haven't seen it yet | Oct 30 11:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Julie Bindel: Trannies nicked my paper on the Tube http://notnews.today.com/?p=709 | Oct 30 11:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sun Microsystems and #SirsiDynix Libel #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://ping.fm/LypHt | Oct 30 11:49 | |
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| oiaohm | http://sandboxgamemaker.com/ for you list of mono replacements possiable game engine one and more. | Oct 30 11:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Q: What is Mononono? | Oct 30 11:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] A: The best protection tool against trojans | Oct 30 11:52 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I am worried about that sun post particular pawel_pfk http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml clearly states in the intro notes its a incomplete document. Now if pawel had cases of people using that document it would be a different case. | Oct 30 11:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KB | Oct 30 11:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: also the other reference when taken in context said in blog was refering to a fault in Linux that has only recently been fixed. | Oct 30 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Somethings need to be taken with a grain of salt. Context is important we don't need to be invalid. | Oct 30 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: still...: | Oct 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | the matter of fact is, people whom Sun paid are going out of their way to throw mud at Linux | Oct 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Sun can try to distance itself from it, but still... | Oct 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | There are cases of former Microsoft employees throwing mud at their former company's rivals | Oct 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-30-002-39-NW-MS-PB | Oct 30 12:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Microsoft Lawyers Will be Busy in the Next Few Months .::. Size~: 78.99 KB | Oct 30 12:13 |
| oiaohm | The problem here MS guys throwing FUD the information is not true lot of the time at any point in Linux history. | Oct 30 12:14 |
| oiaohm | In the time reference they give. | Oct 30 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Sun ones are normally true in inside the time references. | Oct 30 12:14 |
| oiaohm | But not currently so. | Oct 30 12:14 |
| oiaohm | More a case of not keeping documents correctly upto date. | Oct 30 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Someone here mentioned Gurdian Linux FUD | Oct 30 12:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Jack.... | Oct 30 12:16 |
| schestowitz | "This has got to be pathetic, over at the Guardian MICROS~1 Jack has announced that 'Windows 7 overtakes Linux at the Guardian'. Not only that, he's reduced to quoting another Guardian blog. Pathetic" | Oct 30 12:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/oct/29/windows7-usage-guardian?commentpage=1&commentposted=1 | Oct 30 12:16 |
| schestowitz | They give UK numbers | Oct 30 12:17 |
| schestowitz | UK is saturated with Macs and Windows cause people spend more | Oct 30 12:17 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: thing with Sun attacks on Linux if you read them correctly and fully they are helpful to Linux development. | Oct 30 12:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Sued by #RedBend , Patent #Reform Called for Again http://ping.fm/fisu9 #swpat | Oct 30 12:27 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, but not only | Oct 30 12:28 |
| schestowitz | It's a two-side thing | Oct 30 12:28 |
| schestowitz | To ignore that Sun also says bad things about Linux to sell Solaris is not helpful | Oct 30 12:28 |
| schestowitz | People need to remember that it's a give-and-take | Oct 30 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Same with Microsoft | Oct 30 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pretend to be a friend of FOSS | Oct 30 12:29 |
| schestowitz | At the same time it lobbies for anti-FOSS laws | Oct 30 12:29 |
| schestowitz | And it attacks it in all sorts of wayd | Oct 30 12:29 |
| schestowitz | *Ways | Oct 30 12:29 |
| schestowitz | While giving hyper-v patches it also says that it will sue Linux | Oct 30 12:29 |
| schestowitz | The idiots who fall for PR might read just one side of it, which Microsoft amplifies | Oct 30 12:29 |
| schestowitz | In public: "Microsoft is doing open source" | Oct 30 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Behind closed doors: Horacio, SteveB and Gang scheming to sue Linux | Oct 30 12:30 |
| MinceR | it's the other sense of "doing" | Oct 30 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Doin' 'em in the guts | Oct 30 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Ms never really gave hyper-v patches they were forced to. | Oct 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | I know | Oct 30 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Then had to be forced to maintaine them. | Oct 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | They lied | Oct 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | They make it seem like a gift | Oct 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Rather than them breaking a law | Oct 30 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Sun case is not lieing as such. you have to be very careful on the context sun guys setup examples in. | Oct 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | That's part of the spin I talked about | Oct 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | jono bacon brought up this spin in the show | Oct 30 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie they give context then work from that. | Oct 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | He must be reading too many of Microsoft's lies just like VIsta 7 fan MarkS | Oct 30 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Now people reading it out of context think it fud and incorrect. schestowitz | Oct 30 12:32 |
| oiaohm | So attack sun people over it. | Oct 30 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Sun *is* people | Oct 30 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Not that sun personal like either. | Oct 30 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Phipps wrote about it a while back | Oct 30 12:32 |
| schestowitz | That Sun is people | Oct 30 12:32 |
| schestowitz | It's not official policy, sure | Oct 30 12:33 |
| schestowitz | But it's happening | Oct 30 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Like the "unplug a penguin" | Oct 30 12:33 |
| schestowitz | !google unplug a penguin sun e-mail | Oct 30 12:33 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - "Save a Penguin, Unplug a Linux Server" May Win Most-Flamable E ... | http://jetteroheller.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/save-a-penguin-unplug-a-linux-server-may-win-most-flamable-e-mail-award/ | Oct 30 12:33 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - CDDL | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/category/cddl/ | Oct 30 12:33 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - s5h.net » Blog Archive » Microsoft Turns Linux, OpenSolaris and ... | http://www.s5h.net/2007/11/30/microsoft-turns-linux-opensolaris-and-unix-battles-to-fud-against-them/ | Oct 30 12:33 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Unplug the phone - 37days | http://37days.typepad.com/37days/2008/05/unplug-the-phon.html | Oct 30 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes those are valid cases to use schestowitz. | Oct 30 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Current pair are not what you call good quality examples. | Oct 30 12:34 |
| oiaohm | One is compare written to a particular context. Yes can be badly wrong. One is a document clearly marked a work in progress. | Oct 30 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Note can be badly wrong if context removed. | Oct 30 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Can you say that you don't have partly incomplete documents laying around schestowitz? | Oct 30 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: that's not the point | Oct 30 12:42 |
| schestowitz | It's published | Oct 30 12:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] An underground Linux huh? The name Molux springs to mind. Now we need a distro with a black theme & black fonts to match. !lo | Oct 30 12:43 | |
| schestowitz | newspapers die, bbc in denial, still. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8332234.stm | Oct 30 12:44 |
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| MinceR | soylent green is people | Oct 30 12:44 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8333194.stm "The board of Icann voted at its annual meeting in Seoul to allow domain names in Arabic, Chinese and other scripts." | Oct 30 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's about time | Oct 30 12:44 |
| MinceR | hm, so sun is still actively hostile against gnu/linux? | Oct 30 12:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Blog sparks mass council walkout < http://ping.fm/yW04l > | Oct 30 12:45 | |
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| schestowitz | To Alex Brown: "And phooey to you if you consider it a personal attack. It’s like a thief caught in the act calling it a “personal attack” when people yell “stop him, he’s a thief”." http://homembit.com/2009/10/openxml-what-i-havent-told-yet-about-the-brm.html | Oct 30 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: well, former SUNERs are | Oct 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz | At leas | Oct 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz | At least | Oct 30 12:51 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: even there most are old. Very few recent examples. | Oct 30 12:52 |
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| oiaohm | And the most recent maintained document he pulled up has a warnning attached saying its out of date information most was vaild 2006-2007 what is correct. Ie out of date document in critical need of update. | Oct 30 12:58 |
| oiaohm | why would the document be out of date if sun was funding it. | Oct 30 12:59 |
| MinceR | in which KDE4 release did it become possible to move panels to the sides as opposed to top or bottom? | Oct 30 12:59 |
| MinceR | i suspect that it was 4.3 | Oct 30 12:59 |
| oiaohm | All | Oct 30 13:00 |
| schestowitz | I've finally listened to the same track for the 1000th time (in 5 days!) | Oct 30 13:00 |
| MinceR | maybe i'm doing it wrong on 4.2 (work desktop) | Oct 30 13:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Prototype of kwin | Oct 30 13:01 |
| oiaohm | for 4.0 line had the means to do it. | Oct 30 13:01 |
| MinceR | isn't it a plasma feature? :> | Oct 30 13:01 |
| MinceR | oh, managed to pull it to the side, finally | Oct 30 13:02 |
| oiaohm | I used the name for the wrong part MinceR | Oct 30 13:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC's video about Vista 7 hot this week: "3304/videos/msft-dissent.ogg" | Oct 30 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes it don't like going to the side MinceR | Oct 30 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Something they need to work on. | Oct 30 13:04 |
| *Diablo-D3 has quit ("do coders dream of sheep()?") | Oct 30 13:04 | |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091027/0311206690.shtml | Oct 30 13:05 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: left hand side top bottom all goes there nicely most cases something with right hand side it don't like going there. | Oct 30 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:07 |
| pawel_pfk_ | hello | Oct 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Sorry I couldn't reply much earlier | Oct 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | I did 8 posts | Oct 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091029/0357056715.shtml | Oct 30 13:07 |
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| pawel_pfk_ | no prob, I came to beat some lie :> | Oct 30 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe: http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/correction_fluid.php?page=all | Oct 30 13:08 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm mentioned BKL in VFS drove to some scallability problems, but... | Oct 30 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: your video complaining about shills attacking you got 3000+ views this week | Oct 30 13:08 |
| pawel_pfk_ | they get rid of bkl in vfs in 2002 :> | Oct 30 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Windows 7 takes 41 seconds from cold start, with Security Essentials, Windows Live Messenger, and Winamp Agent in the startup tray | Oct 30 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what they tested it on where it took that 1 minute and 46 seconds | Oct 30 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true they found 5 more locks at the start of this year they had missed in the vfs pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | probably a Pentium 4 with 512 megs of RAM | Oct 30 13:10 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm, yep, they even found hidden troll there | Oct 30 13:10 |
| oiaohm | It when the started striping the header files out pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:10 |
| pawel_pfk_ | schestowitz: if you'll have a little time take a look at this article I posted ok? | Oct 30 13:11 |
| oiaohm | And a lot of other missed locks have been turn up from that process as well. pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:11 |
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| oiaohm | Turns out to be funny as hell those 5 locks hit a particular filesystem benchmark. Setting permissions pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:12 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: vfs is much faster in Linux, but I won't discuss with you | Oct 30 13:13 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8323077.stm Hmmmmm... won't the sensors pick up energy? And production of these? | Oct 30 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | pawel_pfk_: which article? | Oct 30 13:15 |
| pawel_pfk_ | this one: | Oct 30 13:15 |
| pawel_pfk_ | http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml | Oct 30 13:15 |
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| pawel_pfk_ | it's definetly made to advertise solaris 10 in cost of Linux | Oct 30 13:15 |
| pawel_pfk_ | language which is used there is stricte marketing language | Oct 30 13:16 |
| oiaohm | These days yes in every benchmark pawel_pfk_. Not every test at that time. | Oct 30 13:16 |
| oiaohm | pawel_pfk_: why include note at top of being out of date then. | Oct 30 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Its the old issue of old documents floating around the internet that people don't let die. | Oct 30 13:17 |
| pawel_pfk_ | last update in september '09 | Oct 30 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Read the intro notes | Oct 30 13:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kaspersky fails to say that the vast majority of links are not being clicked on. http://ping.fm/hKMzr | Oct 30 13:18 | |
| oiaohm | Not just the update time | Oct 30 13:18 |
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| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: they don't matter | Oct 30 13:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 'Chap-Hop History' by Mr.B The Gentleman Rhymer http://bit.ly/15XrU6 #video | Oct 30 13:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/writing-the-novel-then-the-cliffsnotes/ | Oct 30 13:19 |
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| oiaohm | That does matter pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't go to their new stores expecting to talk to anyone who know more about Windows than you do. I had to be passed off to 4 different employees, they called it escalating, before I was able to talk to someone who could tell me if Windows 7 still used a "registry", and it does. The same old house of cards is still the basis for the "new" OS." | Oct 30 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Oct 30 13:19 |
| oiaohm | It clearly marked as contain old and out of date information pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | They don't sell Macs on QVC | Oct 30 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | just as well | Oct 30 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | I momentarily looked while I was shopping just to see if they did | Oct 30 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | Apple has a deal with some super high interest bank, so you get to pay usury level interest rates to finance a Mac | Oct 30 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | at least this PC has four interest free installments | Oct 30 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, YOu'd have to be totally insane to finance a Mac at 20% compund interest | Oct 30 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | you'd be paying on that damned thing forever | Oct 30 13:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/29/sun_proxy_compensation/ | Oct 30 13:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sun aims for sky, shoots self in foot • The Register .::. Size~: 32.72 KB | Oct 30 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | and twice what it retails for | Oct 30 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | *compound | Oct 30 13:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: where is the quote from? | Oct 30 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.pcworld.com/article/181045/windows_7_the_readers_speak.html | Oct 30 13:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Windows 7: The Readers Speak - PC World .::. Size~: 73.24 KB | Oct 30 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | "He says it took him more than an hour to upgrade his 3-year-old ThinkPad, and now he's decided to switch to a MacBook Pro. (Hey, maybe Apple will feature him in a commercial.)" | Oct 30 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's your problem, it's three years old | Oct 30 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | and it didn't say whether it was a well equipped laptop or some budget model when he bought it | Oct 30 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | he sounds like one of those people that was judging Vista over how well it ran on their old Celeron | Oct 30 13:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/29/juniper_new_network_oct_29/ | Oct 30 13:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Juniper spruces up products, burnishes identity • The Register .::. Size~: 30.82 KB | Oct 30 13:26 |
| schestowitz | ANd they say V7 is light..... | Oct 30 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | to be fair, back when "good" CPUs would cost you well over $300, a $90 Celeron was a decent compromise | Oct 30 13:26 |
| schestowitz | I have a Celeron here | Oct 30 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | now you're talking $160 for a hella-fast quad core Phenom II | Oct 30 13:27 |
| schestowitz | On a dustry computer | Oct 30 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | and $50 if you want to get a cheap dual core Celeron | Oct 30 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't see the value in budget processors anymore | Oct 30 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | maybe if you're just totally strapped or something | Oct 30 13:27 |
| fewa | sometimes they use less energy DaemonFC | Oct 30 13:27 |
| fewa | but yes, the appeal continues to be reduced | Oct 30 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, The 3 Ghz Phenom II X4 945 in this system only uses a maximum of 95 watts | Oct 30 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | that's pretty good | Oct 30 13:28 |
| fewa | meh | Oct 30 13:28 |
| fewa | you can get something identical with 65 watts | Oct 30 13:28 |
| fewa | the low-power version | Oct 30 13:28 |
| fewa | its ~$25 more | Oct 30 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Just a few years ago, I had an Athlon64 3200+ @ 2.2 Ghz, single core obviously | Oct 30 13:29 |
| fewa | I should have got one of the low-power ones | Oct 30 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | used 125 watts under load | Oct 30 13:29 |
| fewa | mine is 95 watts too | Oct 30 13:29 |
| fewa | they run a little slower | Oct 30 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | so you see why I say a 3 Ghz quad core @ 95 watts max is pretty awesome | Oct 30 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | compared to what was out there 3 years ago | Oct 30 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | 3-4 anyway | Oct 30 13:29 |
| fewa | but since around here we heat 9 months out of the year its not as big a deal | Oct 30 13:29 |
| fewa | as it would be in california or similar | Oct 30 13:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] 'Narendra Modi tests positive for H1N1.So the flu got the swine at last.' (Rajiv Ramanujan) | Oct 30 13:30 | |
| DaemonFC | fewa, I can get away heating a few days out of October, about half of the days in November | Oct 30 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | all of December and January, and most of February though | Oct 30 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | by December it could drop down to as low as -10 degrees F on the coldest few nights | Oct 30 13:31 |
| oiaohm | http://www.geekpatrol.ca/2006/10/sun-ultra-20-m2-linux-performance/ 2006 is a time when particular benchmarks solarias could really still kick linux ass. | Oct 30 13:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Geek Patrol | Sun Ultra 20 M2 Linux Performance .::. Size~: 49.82 KB | Oct 30 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes you hear about homeless people freezing to death in Ft Wayne, Muncie, Indianapolis | Oct 30 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | probably more this year | Oct 30 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | the Rescue Mission in Fort Wayne was packed full last year, this year lots more people are without jobs and evicted from their home | Oct 30 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | the Section 8 housing assistance waiting list is 5 years long | Oct 30 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | they won't even take more applications for it until 2011 | Oct 30 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | I would expect that if we have more of these "jobless recoveries", the government is going to have a rebellion on their hands | Oct 30 13:35 |
| fewa | it doesn't get very cold here | Oct 30 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | over 20% of the population is unemployed currently | Oct 30 13:35 |
| fewa | its temperate | Oct 30 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, I could see this turning into riots and martial law | Oct 30 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | within 1-3 years | Oct 30 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | if things don't shape up to where people can go back to work | Oct 30 13:37 |
| fewa | that is not the form it would take | Oct 30 13:37 |
| fewa | that would be preferable | Oct 30 13:37 |
| fewa | while of course, the optimum would be a non-corrupt government, it doesn't seem like that is going to happen | Oct 30 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, First, people try to change the government by voting | Oct 30 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | if that fails, what happens? | Oct 30 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | either riots and martial law, or some extremist political party comes to power | Oct 30 13:39 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: but it contains current info too | Oct 30 13:39 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/4/13/noam_chomsky_on_the_global_economic | Oct 30 13:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Noam Chomsky on the Global Economic Crisis, Healthcare, US Foreign Policy and Resistance to American Empire .::. Size~: 73.75 KB | Oct 30 13:39 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: this benchmark is a bull, configurations are unknown | Oct 30 13:41 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: it's like Phoronix benchmarks | Oct 30 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's mainly Novell behind radeonhd I heard. Is that true? | Oct 30 13:43 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: and it was rather compilers benchmarks, still used flags are unknown | Oct 30 13:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes | Oct 30 13:44 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> fewa, First, people try to change the government by voting | Oct 30 13:45 |
| fewa | There are many other things | Oct 30 13:45 |
| fewa | society is run by norms and morality | Oct 30 13:45 |
| MinceR | morality? hardly. | Oct 30 13:45 |
| fewa | crudness | Oct 30 13:45 |
| fewa | destruction | Oct 30 13:46 |
| MinceR | more like norms, flock mentality and fear. | Oct 30 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Obama and Bush are maybe 70% identical so far | Oct 30 13:46 |
| pawel_pfk_ | fewa: it's rather run by medias propaganda | Oct 30 13:46 |
| fewa | fear and morality are related, but yes your right | Oct 30 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | the only real differences are some healthcare and social issues | Oct 30 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of lip service coming from Obama | Oct 30 13:46 |
| fewa | change dos not happen through formal democracy | Oct 30 13:46 |
| fewa | it never has | Oct 30 13:46 |
| pawel_pfk_ | fewa:people buy what media serves | Oct 30 13:46 |
| fewa | and it never will | Oct 30 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see us actingon his promise to leave Iraq | Oct 30 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | he could order a full withdrawal | Oct 30 13:46 |
| fewa | formal democracy is simply a way in which the change can be more peacefull | Oct 30 13:47 |
| fewa | and its rarely very democratic | Oct 30 13:47 |
| fewa | specifically in the united states | Oct 30 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Chmsky conveniently ignores that a lot of the bailout money has been repaid | Oct 30 13:47 |
| fewa | federal governmen | Oct 30 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | *Chomsky | Oct 30 13:47 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, the government turned on the printing machine | Oct 30 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | and that more is being repaid every day, especially with the new caps on executive pay and perks | Oct 30 13:48 |
| fewa | and the banks are railing up for another collapse as we speek | Oct 30 13:48 |
| fewa | maybe 5 more years | Oct 30 13:48 |
| fewa | before the 3rd house of cards collapses | Oct 30 13:48 |
| fewa | they are fudging the numbers, t | Oct 30 13:48 |
| fewa | they change the accounting rules | Oct 30 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | and what will be the main cause of that | Oct 30 13:48 |
| oiaohm | There are other better benchmarks from the time around pawel_pfk_ just takes more digging. You don't see lot compares normally after the end of 2007. Ie tide had turned. By that point solarias is losing most. | Oct 30 13:48 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: there was SELinux enabled in this benchmark, so... | Oct 30 13:48 |
| fewa | they are massively foreclosing on people morgages | Oct 30 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | this time it was mostly predatory home loans fueled by job loss | Oct 30 13:49 |
| fewa | taking their houses | Oct 30 13:49 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, not really | Oct 30 13:49 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm:... so Linux did better in some cases even with SELinux enabled lol | Oct 30 13:49 |
| fewa | it predatory based on having no downside | Oct 30 13:49 |
| fewa | because those that sold the morgages didn't have to back them | Oct 30 13:49 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: believe me, I saw many benchmarks | Oct 30 13:49 |
| fewa | instead the government through freddie fannie, and now backing of AIG paid the downside | Oct 30 13:49 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: I'm quite active on some forum ;> | Oct 30 13:50 |
| fewa | its a corporate welfare bubble | Oct 30 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, right, they basically slipped toxic home loans into individual retirement funds, and let private citizens take a bath through their retirement accounts | Oct 30 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | so they made all the money and had people's retirement accounts lose all the money and more later | Oct 30 13:50 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, and cooked the book to rate them AAA | Oct 30 13:50 |
| fewa | and they took a piece of every transaction in the instigation of this elaborate fraud | Oct 30 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Bush was pushing for "privatization of retirement accounts" to replace a lot of your social security income back in 2005 | Oct 30 13:51 |
| fewa | yes, to Bush: thanks, but no thanks | Oct 30 13:51 |
| oiaohm | pawel_pfk_: Solarias also had its secuirty framework enabled. By 2006 Solarias was already losing some classes of bench marks. By end of 2007 it was losing most. 2008 and 2009 it has not got better. | Oct 30 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | think he was trying to do that so that banks and lenders could bilk people for more money in 2008 collapse? | Oct 30 13:51 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, its "killing two birds with one stone" | Oct 30 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Either that or the influx of money into retirement accounts instead of Social Security may have held up the economy for a few more years | Oct 30 13:52 |
| fewa | for the corrupt rich that is | Oct 30 13:52 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: solaris security framewokr rather isn't so 'expansive' as SELinux | Oct 30 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | and the IRS can seize private retirement funds for back taxes | Oct 30 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 13:52 |
| fewa | destroy social security and subsidize the banks | Oct 30 13:52 |
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| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: and good to hear this ;) | Oct 30 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | the IRS can't seize your Social Security taxes because they're already a tax | Oct 30 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | and you don't "own" what you put in | Oct 30 13:53 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, how it should be | Oct 30 13:53 |
| fewa | social security is a life line for many americans | Oct 30 13:53 |
| oiaohm | pawel_pfk_: does not help that is one of the sections since 2006 and 2007 is selinux that has had unrequired locking removed. | Oct 30 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Medical bill collectors can also seize your retirement accounts if they sue you and get the ruling | Oct 30 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | they can't take your Social Security | Oct 30 13:54 |
| fewa | how it should be | Oct 30 13:54 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: it something else which make/made SELinux slow | Oct 30 13:54 |
| fewa | Bush represented the very richest of the rich | Oct 30 13:54 |
| pawel_pfk_ | it's | Oct 30 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, I think that's why Bush ws trying to privatize retirement funds more | Oct 30 13:54 |
| fewa | and those of that constituency that are insidious bastards | Oct 30 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | prop up the banks with your money, and IRS and bill collectors can seize it | Oct 30 13:54 |
| fewa | and wish to deprave the poor | Oct 30 13:55 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: SELinux overhead was about 12-20 percent | Oct 30 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, The Democrats did at least stop that from going on | Oct 30 13:55 |
| oiaohm | It also was not using RCU either fully pawel_pfk_ in the 2006 and 2007 time frame pawel_pfk_. | Oct 30 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats as a whole are at least less bad for us than the Republicans | Oct 30 13:55 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, the constituents did | Oct 30 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the Republicans were thrown out en masse last year | Oct 30 13:56 |
| oiaohm | There is still more that could be cleaned up in SELinux for speed now pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:56 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: not fully, so not up to 4096 CPUs, but easily up to 1024 :> | Oct 30 13:56 |
| fewa | if they did that, the democratic party might cease to exist | Oct 30 13:56 |
| fewa | *if they went for it | Oct 30 13:56 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: yes, they pointed this at lkml | Oct 30 13:56 |
| oiaohm | But the little cleanups have made big differences in performance pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, If they went along with that, people would have been LIVID when the banks, the IRS, and medical bill collectors ate up all their retirement savings AND they had no Social Security to collect on when they retired | Oct 30 13:57 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: it depends :) | Oct 30 13:57 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, they already are livid | Oct 30 13:57 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: I read your blog, quite interesting :) | Oct 30 13:57 |
| fewa | all those that are getting repossed by government-backed banks | Oct 30 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, No, my grandmother still loves Bush | Oct 30 13:57 |
| fewa | its basically the government repossesing these people | Oct 30 13:57 |
| oiaohm | I have a fairly unique point of view on things pawel_pfk_ | Oct 30 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | she even has a book on how God sent Bush to the White House | Oct 30 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | she literally thinks Obama is the antichrist | Oct 30 13:58 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: I see, me the same I think | Oct 30 13:58 |
| fewa | as the government has represented the large banks on every issue, and this has not changed under Obama | Oct 30 13:58 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: I like the part about viruses | Oct 30 13:58 |
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| DaemonFC | fewa, What do you think about the Consumer Credit Protection Agency that he has proposed? | Oct 30 13:59 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, that was proposed by Elizabeth Warren | Oct 30 13:59 |
| fewa | and its fantastic | Oct 30 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | or the law he signed in May that makes it much harder for credit card rates to get jacked up just because you were a day or two late on a payment | Oct 30 13:59 |
| fewa | now lets see it actually pass intact | Oct 30 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, My mom had them do that to her | Oct 30 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | then they ended up agreeing to be paid 33% of the original balance from before they did it | Oct 30 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 30 14:00 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyMnC24IMMA | Oct 30 14:00 |
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| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: it's nice you try to abolish some myths | Oct 30 14:01 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, there needs to be reasonable usery laws | Oct 30 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, the problem is that the IRS considers it "earned income" when a bil lcollector forgives some of your debt | Oct 30 14:01 |
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| DaemonFC | so she has to pay income taxes on the $7,000 they reduced it by | Oct 30 14:01 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, principal, or interest and fees too? | Oct 30 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | total debt - what they reduced it to = earned income according to the tax code | Oct 30 14:02 |
| fewa | if its more than principal - inflation, that thats just atrocious | Oct 30 14:02 |
| oiaohm | pawel_pfk_: I really should do a new myth one to upset Windows users on the state of games on there platforms. Most people have not noticed that game developers are more and more treating windows as a second not a first platform. | Oct 30 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | so if I owed $10,000 to a credit card company, and they reduced the debt to $2,000, the IRS says I owe income tax on $8,000 fewa | Oct 30 14:02 |
| pawel_pfk_ | oiaohm: I noticed the same, it seems their first platforms are consoles | Oct 30 14:03 |
| fewa | for every one dollar in principal debt collectors are requesting two dollars in fees, penalities, and interest | Oct 30 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | sounds about right | Oct 30 14:03 |
| fewa | shows that it is usery | Oct 30 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Nothing made those people get the card | Oct 30 14:04 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, yeah that bullshit, 1. its a gift, so not taxable | Oct 30 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | free will is a bitch | Oct 30 14:04 |
| fewa | and 2. interest and fees never collected were never theirs in the first place | Oct 30 14:04 |
| fewa | you cant change tax on a tab | Oct 30 14:04 |
| fewa | no money ever changed hands | Oct 30 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, You think she might be able to get away declaring it as a gift? | Oct 30 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | that would be amusing | Oct 30 14:05 |
| fewa | you cant collect tax when no moeny changes hands | Oct 30 14:05 |
| fewa | if it isn't already that should be illegal | Oct 30 14:05 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, it is a gift | Oct 30 14:05 |
| fewa | what else is it? | Oct 30 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=179414,00.html | Oct 30 14:05 |
| treestrump | you pay tax on gifts, | Oct 30 14:06 |
| fewa | treestrump, only >$100,000 | Oct 30 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Bush signedt he law that lets the IRS do that | Oct 30 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Oct 30 14:07 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, I still don't see how it can legal to charge tax when money ever changed hands | Oct 30 14:07 |
| fewa | otherwise I would just create a bill for someone ive never met | Oct 30 14:07 |
| fewa | then "forgive" it | Oct 30 14:07 |
| fewa | and they they would owe tax | Oct 30 14:07 |
| fewa | it doesn't make any sense | Oct 30 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, She goes down to H&R Block, they could probably tell her | Oct 30 14:08 |
| fewa | that which is not principal never changed hands | Oct 30 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | IF it was me and I didn't get a form stating it was earned income, I wouldn't pay it | Oct 30 14:08 |
| treestrump | if they cancel a debt, you have allready paid the money (therefore debt), that is what you pay tax on, even if they cancel the debt, you still got it in the first place. | Oct 30 14:08 |
| fewa | treestrump, much of the debt is fees, interest, and penalities | Oct 30 14:09 |
| fewa | that monet was never spent, no services were ever provided | Oct 30 14:09 |
| treestrump | yes, im sure it is, but it's still debt | Oct 30 14:09 |
| fewa | for that amount | Oct 30 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | well, I can see why it's taxable income on the principle, fewa | Oct 30 14:09 |
| fewa | it doesn't make sense to be able to change on money that never changed hands | Oct 30 14:10 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, I don't, it still seems to be to be a gift | Oct 30 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | Otherwise I might have bought $8,000 worth of crap on the card and never paid income tax on the $8,000 | Oct 30 14:10 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, yes you do pay tax on that $8,000 | Oct 30 14:10 |
| fewa | unless you deduct it as a business expense | Oct 30 14:10 |
| treestrump | then you just pay a bit less tax | Oct 30 14:11 |
| fewa | but in either case, tax is already paid | Oct 30 14:11 |
| fewa | taxing the gift of relinquishment of debts would be taxing it again | Oct 30 14:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I don't see how anyone could accuse the Catholic Church of continuing to try to play down priestly child sexual abuse http://is.gd/4I9Kr | Oct 30 14:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @segphault I think it's hilarious that you can't copy/paste text from Adobe's "OpenGov" web site: http://ping.fm/fAnzF Flash fail | Oct 30 14:15 | |
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| schestowitz | There is a new "Petition to President Obama, regarding transparency of ACTA" the UK has this vs the MSBBC: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/tvlicensing/enquiry/responses/ | Oct 30 14:15 |
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| Omar87 | Hey y'all!! | Oct 30 14:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Kubuntu 9.10! Amazing! | Oct 30 14:33 | |
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| oiaohm | Hmm I cannot get to gimp.org | Oct 30 14:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unlockdemocracy.org.uk/?p=2162 | Oct 30 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: removed mono yet? :-) | Oct 30 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Oct 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Kubuntu | Oct 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Never mind | Oct 30 14:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Even kde has ir? | Oct 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I misread | Oct 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm using the same at the moment | Oct 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I heard earlier that my brother's friend's employer chose Mandriva | Oct 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz | They also paid for their version | Oct 30 14:40 |
| schestowitz | :-o http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/010681.html | Oct 30 14:40 |
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| Omar87 | Plus, actually I didn't install it from scratch, only installed Kbuntu-Desktop inside Ubuntu. | Oct 30 14:40 |
| Omar87 | And yes, I removed mono from it the moment I finished installing it. | Oct 30 14:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Italian survey: 50% of companies use OpenOffice.org; 63% use GNU/Linux [in Italian] - http://bit.ly/4bM0EH #italy #OOo #linux | Oct 30 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: do a demo of kde 4.3.1 to friends | Oct 30 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | Show them what Microsoft copied FROM | Oct 30 14:44 |
| Omar87 | Yeah. | Oct 30 14:44 |
| Omar87 | I'm already doing something similar. | Oct 30 14:44 |
| Omar87 | I'm showing a friend of mine some screenshots of my desktop. | Oct 30 14:45 |
| Omar87 | Man! | Oct 30 14:45 |
| Omar87 | Windows 7 looks so DAMN similar to that!! :D | Oct 30 14:45 |
| schestowitz | But kDE predates it | Oct 30 14:46 |
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| _Hicham_ | hola senior schestowitz | Oct 30 14:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/10/29/swine_flu_and_the_gop/index.html | Oct 30 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, _Hicham_ | Oct 30 14:52 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : seamonkey-2.0 is really a great browser | Oct 30 14:54 |
| _Hicham_ | it starts faster than chromium | Oct 30 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43212 | Oct 30 14:56 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 14:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] China outperforms US on green issues http://ping.fm/woxON | Oct 30 14:57 | |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yeah, well... I use ThunderBrowse mosty | Oct 30 14:57 |
| schestowitz | *mostly | Oct 30 14:57 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2009/10/french-government-chooses-mozi.php | Oct 30 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Hotmail is pinning Windows 7 spam to all email you send | Oct 30 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more." at the bottom of all sent messages | Oct 30 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Let's hope Morocco is next | Oct 30 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27037 | Oct 30 15:00 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 30 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theonion.com/content/infograph/os_x_snow_leopard_vs_windows | Oct 30 15:01 |
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| DaemonFC | that's better | Oct 30 15:01 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Morocco's gov doesn't know about FOSS yet | Oct 30 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28444 | Oct 30 15:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ant Farm Teaches Children About Toil, Death | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 46.86 KB | Oct 30 15:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Lieberman not a democrat, opposes #publicoption despite constituent support, takes $2.5M http://ur1.ca/esdu http://liebermanmustgo.com/ #hc | Oct 30 15:05 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Joe Lieberman Must GO .::. Size~: 20.29 KB | Oct 30 15:05 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, the consumer Consumer Credit Protection Agency would create standard mortgage and credit card contracts | Oct 30 15:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] ok, *today* my keyboard is sorta working. just a reboot later. flaky hardware ftw! I think this gets sold for scrap when I get my work one. | Oct 30 15:09 | |
| schestowitz | "Codepope: FYI, h-online.com is UK based and takes content from heise in germany and UK writers." | Oct 30 15:14 |
| schestowitz | "Codepope: And we are an online only publication" | Oct 30 15:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: but some people there use FOSS | Oct 30 15:14 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, "x doesn't know water" | Oct 30 15:15 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : i am talking about the gov | Oct 30 15:15 |
| _Hicham_ | not people | Oct 30 15:15 |
| schestowitz | They too use it, I'm sure | Oct 30 15:15 |
| schestowitz | No Apache anywhere? | Oct 30 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Even Microsoft uses Apache | Oct 30 15:17 |
| _Hicham_ | on the gov sites, I don't think | Oct 30 15:17 |
| schestowitz | I doubt it | Oct 30 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe internally | Oct 30 15:17 |
| _Hicham_ | they are very ASP centric | Oct 30 15:17 |
| schestowitz | THey should hire you for onsulting | Oct 30 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft is a gold sponsor of apache | Oct 30 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | and sourceforge awards | Oct 30 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Is your president hanging out with BillG and the cartel? | Oct 30 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | he doesn't know about BillG | Oct 30 15:18 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: that's PR | Oct 30 15:18 |
| schestowitz | ANd they want it to run on WIndows to screw GNU/Linux | Oct 30 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | FOSS is the least to worry about in here | Oct 30 15:19 |
| schestowitz | What is then (big worry)? | Oct 30 15:19 |
| _Hicham_ | poverty rate, crime rate, urban transportation | Oct 30 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/508-great-themes-for-ubuntu910-karmic-koala | Oct 30 15:20 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's all related | Oct 30 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Poverty is enabled when you externalise costs | Oct 30 15:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mygaming.co.za/news/PC/4710-Linux-gaming-Its-not-all-bad.html | Oct 30 15:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux gaming: It’s not all bad .::. Size~: 59.54 KB | Oct 30 15:21 |
| _Hicham_ | linux gaming, wow | Oct 30 15:22 |
| _Hicham_ | there are some cool proprietary games out there | Oct 30 15:22 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : would u mind if i started packaging proprietary games for linux ? | Oct 30 15:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.information-management.com/news/computer_science_education_week_house_resolution-10016354-1.html | Oct 30 15:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why Young Workers Don’t Care About Computer Science .::. Size~: 36.98 KB | Oct 30 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/10/29/what_is_wrong_with_paid_sick_days/index.html | Oct 30 15:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How the World Works - Salon.com .::. Size~: 49.9 KB | Oct 30 15:25 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: why would I mind? Ask RMS :-p | Oct 30 15:25 |
| schestowitz | http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/10/23/xos.nfl/index.html | Oct 30 15:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NFL's battle with XOS, major conferences could affect draft prospects - NFL - SI.com .::. Size~: 90.27 KB | Oct 30 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | one of the places I worked for gave you a bonus at the end of the year where you got paid for all unused sick time, then they would match it | Oct 30 15:26 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : RMS is not on IRC | Oct 30 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | so if you had all 10 sick days left by then, you got a pretty decent bonus check around Christmas time | Oct 30 15:26 |
| _Hicham_ | and if u r sick all the time ? | Oct 30 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | no bonus check | Oct 30 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | why do you think I always made sure I got a flu shot? | Oct 30 15:27 |
| schestowitz | http://documents.nytimes.com/the-new-operations-manual-from-the-f-b-i#p=1 | Oct 30 15:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The New Operations Manual from the F.B.I. - The New York Times .::. Size~: 57.41 KB | Oct 30 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | that check was over $1,500 just for not taking sick days that year | Oct 30 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 15:28 |
| schestowitz | that's just sick !! | Oct 30 15:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] mind you, i have a spare N410c motherboard just lying around. should bother installing it some time just to see if it works. ah, junkpiles. | Oct 30 15:29 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You also got a $100 bonus quarterly and a paid day off for topping the building's performance incentive rate | Oct 30 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | which was nearly always myself | Oct 30 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | but I went over 150% pretty much always and that also added another $1.75 an hour to my hourly wage | Oct 30 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It wasn't hard to blow past the rate quota, it's just that people both don't want to work and aren't smart enough to figure out the most efficient system | Oct 30 15:31 |
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| DaemonFC | then there was overtime pretty much always, until orders died down for a few weeks between fall and winter | Oct 30 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | I was making a killing off that place | Oct 30 15:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/28/council-bans-parents.html | Oct 30 15:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Council bans parents from play areas - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 149.59 KB | Oct 30 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | I was making more there than I was in management at Walmart | Oct 30 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/28/council-bans-parents.html | Oct 30 15:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Council bans parents from play areas - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 149.59 KB | Oct 30 15:33 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-19514_3-10385536-239.html | Oct 30 15:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ares I-X rocket chalks up successful test flight | The Space Shot - CNET News .::. Size~: 106.96 KB | Oct 30 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | How do shuttles propel themselves out of the moon's gravity? More fuel? | Oct 30 15:35 |
| schestowitz | And how many manned missions to the moon have there been? | Oct 30 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, the moon base idea is absurd | Oct 30 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | with our current technology | Oct 30 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | multi billion dollar boondoggle that pours trillions of taxpayer dollars into government contractors | Oct 30 15:37 |
| treestrump | yes, fuel is used to leave moon's gravity, but the shuttles dont go to the moon, they are low orbit crafts. | Oct 30 15:39 |
| schestowitz | ping tessier | Oct 30 15:43 |
| schestowitz | tessier: From PHP I get "Your php.ini upload_max_filesize is 2M" and I can't find the file there this is changed | Oct 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | tessier: never mind. I solved it :-) | Oct 30 15:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A postie on why they're striking http://is.gd/4Ifkl | Oct 30 15:57 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A postman puts his case | open Democracy News Analysis .::. Size~: 49.9 KB | Oct 30 15:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jeremy Allison on “Why Free Software” (as Ogg) http://ping.fm/yvV1Q | Oct 30 16:04 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jeremy Allison on “Why Free Software” (as Ogg) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 108.24 KB | Oct 30 16:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/27/olmert-could-face-warcrimes-arrest Good. | Oct 30 16:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @SisterDiane: This will go down in Appalling Customer Service History. Page One. http://bit.ly/F8pgs Errands+ of Marin are shite. | Oct 30 16:05 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / moxie: I don't like this business ... .::. Size~: 9.9 KB | Oct 30 16:06 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Brother of Afghan Leader Said to Be Paid by C.I.A. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hpm | Oct 30 16:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.77 KB | Oct 30 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Funny how the CIA is everywhere, isn't it? | Oct 30 16:08 |
| schestowitz | It's like anti-Waldo! :-) | Oct 30 16:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: your tax money at work | Oct 30 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Some are paid (by you) $millions to turn in people whom they worked with, people who scheme attacks | Oct 30 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | not by me | Oct 30 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I don't pay taxes | Oct 30 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 30 16:09 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/10/iraq-bombing-inside-job/ | Oct 30 16:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Largest Iraq bombing in two years may have been inside job | Raw Story .::. Size~: 51.92 KB | Oct 30 16:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ah, OK | Oct 30 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15005/open_source_obama "We don't know a lot about how it was done. We do know, thanks to NetCraft, that the White House is running a typical LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP) stack to support Drupal. The actual credit for designing the new Linux-based infrastructure goes to GDIT (General Dynamics Information Technology), a well-known government IT contractor." | Oct 30 16:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Open-Source Obama - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 136.47 KB | Oct 30 16:15 |
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| treestrump | General Dynamics, is a defence contractor. | Oct 30 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8333198.stm | Oct 30 16:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 78.44 KB | Oct 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart selling coffins. Must be for all the black people the swine flu vaccine was designed to kill. :) | Oct 30 16:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC NEWS | Politics | Teen MPs put grown-ups to shame http://tinyurl.com/yepyfhr | Oct 30 16:49 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | Politics | Teen MPs put grown-ups to shame .::. Size~: 52.32 KB | Oct 30 16:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Man denies 'Trojan' webcam virus - ROFL, throws a few words around and pretend you know something http://tinyurl.com/yj6z48c | Oct 30 16:56 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | Scotland | North East/N Isles | Man denies 'Trojan' webcam virus .::. Size~: 41.94 KB | Oct 30 16:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The golden age of infinite music - At least someone "gets it" http://tinyurl.com/ylltb6b | Oct 30 17:01 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | Entertainment | The golden age of infinite music .::. Size~: 52.1 KB | Oct 30 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Oct 30 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The latest test version of AoTuv fixes Vorbis's infamous block switching problems | Oct 30 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how he worked around the AAC patent on that | Oct 30 17:03 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC the encoder | Oct 30 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 30 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | u should really start developing an encoder of ur own | Oct 30 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | do u know some C and C++ ? | Oct 30 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Oct 30 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | how about a Vorbis encoder built with .Net? | Oct 30 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Miguel can port it to Mono for me for you to enjoy | Oct 30 17:04 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You changed the php.ini to fix that right? | Oct 30 17:09 |
| schestowitz | yes, I could put it in ~/ | Oct 30 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/27/mozilla_firefox_30m_users_eight_weeks/ | Oct 30 17:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox nabs 30 million users in eight weeks • The Register .::. Size~: 26.58 KB | Oct 30 17:17 |
| fewa | nice | Oct 30 17:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Congressional hearing on Overdraft Protection Fair Practices #hr3906 http://ur1.ca/esne require opt-in for overdrafts http://ur1.ca/esr6 | Oct 30 17:19 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Overdraft Protection Bill - C-SPAN Video Library .::. Size~: 123.92 KB | Oct 30 17:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: H.R. 1456: Consumer Overdraft Protection Fair Practices Act (GovTrack.us) .::. Size~: 38.15 KB | Oct 30 17:20 |
| schestowitz | AMD Loses Its Linux Core Engineering Manager, Matthew Tippett http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_matthew_tippett&num=1 | Oct 30 17:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] AMD Loses Its Linux Core Engineering Manager, Matthew Tippett .::. Size~: 20.07 KB | Oct 30 17:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-security.html | Oct 30 17:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 20 Linux Server Hardening Security Tips .::. Size~: 69.88 KB | Oct 30 17:23 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, So Firefox phoning home with a GUID is great? | Oct 30 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | people used to call that "spyware" | Oct 30 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 30 17:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Man!! This Quassel IRC client is so damn incredible!! XD | Oct 30 17:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @BenParr: I like the Yankees just about as much as I like dipping my hand in Hydrochloric acid. #YankeesSuck | Oct 30 17:26 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/27/snow_leopard_incompatibilities/ | Oct 30 17:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Snow Leopard - what doesn't work • The Register .::. Size~: 38.31 KB | Oct 30 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | now this is funny | Oct 30 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/30/microsoft_security_essentials_analysis/ | Oct 30 17:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Security Essentials shakes up consumer antivirus • The Register .::. Size~: 32.72 KB | Oct 30 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/rogue-downloader-uses-firefox-warning.html | Oct 30 17:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sunbelt Blog: Rogue downloader uses Firefox warning screen lookalike .::. Size~: 12.67 KB | Oct 30 17:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what about it? | Oct 30 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, An example of why Firefox will never be successful with those stupid anti-phishing screens | Oct 30 17:40 |
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| fewa | Linux should have a foreign zone flag | Oct 30 17:46 |
| fewa | there is the great thing that executables need the +x flag | Oct 30 17:46 |
| fewa | and there was the scare that .desktop files did not need the flash | Oct 30 17:47 |
| fewa | *flag | Oct 30 17:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not about Essenshallls | Oct 30 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, should be interesting to see how many users they nab from expensive and ineffective payware antivirus | Oct 30 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | like Norton | Oct 30 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is pissing on all their partners lately it seems | Oct 30 17:59 |
| schestowitz | OEMs too | Oct 30 18:00 |
| schestowitz | THey need money | Oct 30 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Pink vs mobile/carrier manuf' | Oct 30 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Look how kde4 makes scarcely-known OSes very beautiful: http://toorox.de/ | Oct 30 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Screenshot: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=toorox | Oct 30 18:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: DistroWatch.com: Toorox .::. Size~: 43.29 KB | Oct 30 18:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Um. This has "potential fail" written all over it, but the author is good and may do a decent job ... http://is.gd/4ImHd | Oct 30 18:12 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.altlinux.com/en/news/archive/2009/10/item/558/ | Oct 30 18:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ALT Linux releases Platform Five products .::. Size~: 12.81 KB | Oct 30 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Russian moving to Linux | Oct 30 18:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@lorddrayson you need to kick some a*se over http://is.gd/4ImLJ this is not the bush administration, of ideological pseudo-"science" | Oct 30 18:14 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC - Mark Easton's UK: Nutt gets the sack .::. Size~: 52.22 KB | Oct 30 18:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard great headline! | Oct 30 18:18 | |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684637834344680 | Oct 30 18:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Lala Song Player - (Don't Fear) The Reaper (Album Version) by Blue Öyster Cult .::. Size~: 23.11 KB | Oct 30 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 30 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | had that stuck in my head from Prey and The Stand | Oct 30 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Windows-only gpl *sigh*.. http://www.pcworld.com/article/172763/notepad_builds_on_notepad_with_geeky_features.html | Oct 30 18:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Notepad++ Builds on Notepad With Geeky Features - PC World .::. Size~: 58.5 KB | Oct 30 18:36 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8661 | Oct 30 18:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dude, Where's Our Surgeon General? | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 24.15 KB | Oct 30 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40716 | Oct 30 18:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dominitrix Linux TV ad | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 19.25 KB | Oct 30 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/10/30/rob.zombie/ | Oct 30 18:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Hollywood's a 'scared town,' says Zombie - CNN.com .::. Size~: 45.37 KB | Oct 30 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/howtos/clean_your_pc | Oct 30 18:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #Google encouraging progressive energy programs, geothermal, watt metres, before congressional climate change hearing | Oct 30 19:04 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/30/directx-11-for-windows-vista-released/ | Oct 30 19:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: DirectX 11 For Windows Vista Released .::. Size~: 33.83 KB | Oct 30 19:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.adamsinfo.com/bash-script-blank-out-cc-details/ | Oct 30 19:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BASH Script - Blank Out CC Details | Adam's Tech Talk, Linux Consultant, PHP MySQL Developer, Security Consultant .::. Size~: 41.26 KB | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: who needs that? | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Gamers use consoles | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | And OpenGL | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 30 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | the XBOX 360 uses DirectX | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | fewa: don't say "climate change" | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It's uphemistic | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Trick | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Say "global warming" | Oct 30 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | you can argue that the PS3 has the other half of the market | Oct 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | *euhemistic | Oct 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | the PS3 still uses an Nvidia GPU which supports DirectX in hardware | Oct 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | even if they don't actually use it | Oct 30 19:13 |
| schestowitz | PS3 is #1 in the US last month | Oct 30 19:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's just an API | Oct 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't buy from Sony, period | Oct 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what it is | Oct 30 19:13 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, this mobo has Linux support | Oct 30 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Cause it could maybe do some OS checks of stuff | Oct 30 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Sony = fraud,crime | Oct 30 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Like many other large companies, just more of it | Oct 30 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I haven't bought anything from Sony or Sony BMG in years | Oct 30 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Some large companies stay quite clean | Oct 30 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Like Cisco | Oct 30 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I don't plan to either | Oct 30 19:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #Google encouraging progressive energy programs, geothermal, watt metres, before congressional climate change hearing http://ur1.ca/e7xr | Oct 30 19:14 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think the last thing I bought from Sony was a portable CD player | Oct 30 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | probably around 1998-99 or so | Oct 30 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's around here somewhere | Oct 30 19:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the annoying thing about the govt drug fail is that I already wrote about it http://is.gd/4Iqly and I'm not sure I have 5 paras of new jokes | Oct 30 19:17 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I usually do go name brand on major purchases, just as long as it says something other than Sony | Oct 30 19:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Drugs chairman controversially states the bleeding obvious - News of the News .::. Size~: 35.89 KB | Oct 30 19:17 |
| schestowitz | http://icewalkerz.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-recover-deleted-pictures-and.html | Oct 30 19:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IceWalkerZ :- Born Free Live Free !!: How to recover deleted pictures and Video files .::. Size~: 90 KB | Oct 30 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Umph... Ubuntu can't cut geek support umbilical < http://www.zdnet.com.au/blogs/null-pointer/soa/Ubuntu-can-t-cut-geek-support-umbilical/0,2001102868,339299316,00.htm > | Oct 30 19:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu can't cut geek support umbilical: Blogs - Null Pointer - ZDNet Australia .::. Size~: 91.19 KB | Oct 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | WHat about Windows? | Oct 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | It's not as though WIndows can run without someone skillful around every now and then | Oct 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't get i | Oct 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't get it | Oct 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | http://serverlinux.blogspot.com/2009/10/disabling-console-login-for-linux-box.html | Oct 30 19:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Server Security Secrets and Administration: Disabling console login for a linux box .::. Size~: 84.91 KB | Oct 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Just got this: | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | ===quote: | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | "we just want be part of all the fun" | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | "I'm an IT guy and I pretty much like using Microsoft products" | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | "it's like a crazy party, love it" | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | "we're a PC family for sure, there's one in every room, the older kids | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | wanna see the new technology" | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | "about the same time we got going on this whole project was about the | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | same time he was born and .. want to be a part of it and I wouldn't | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | have it any other way" | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | see at 1:01, does that woman think she's at a revival meeting or what ?" | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ocregister.com/articles/microsoft-store-viejo-2628335-mission-first | Oct 30 19:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 1,000-plus people crowd Microsoft Store | microsoft, store, viejo, mission, first - News - OCRegister.com .::. Size~: 74.42 KB | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | ===/unquote | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Look like PR piece | Oct 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Bunch of fluff | Oct 30 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft store = RIP Dell/HP relationship? | Oct 30 19:26 |
| cubezzz | sounds like astro-turf to me | Oct 30 19:26 |
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| DaemonFC | didn't say how many bought something | Oct 30 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | only came in cause they were curious | Oct 30 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | from what I read earlier, their staff probably know less about Windows than I do | Oct 30 19:34 |
| schestowitz | British army recruitment propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztlhR56yYBk | Oct 30 19:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube - British Royal Marine Snipers (the Best') - documentary (HQ) - 01/02 .::. Size~: 94.43 KB | Oct 30 19:35 |
| cubezzz | california and arizona, hmmm | Oct 30 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, How many pirates have they bagged lately? | Oct 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 19:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #DavidNutt submission written up for #slashdot http://is.gd/4Irbl - think I've covered everything - please vote up | Oct 30 19:40 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Submission | UK govt fires drugs adviser for telling truth .::. Size~: 48.53 KB | Oct 30 19:41 |
| treestrump | governments are generally touchy about things like the truth :) | Oct 30 19:41 |
| fewa | yep | Oct 30 19:42 |
| fewa | governments wish to stomp on free speech, and other civil rights | Oct 30 19:42 |
| cubezzz | I don't feel that is always true | Oct 30 19:43 |
| fewa | its not | Oct 30 19:43 |
| fewa | that is just the tendency if people do noting | Oct 30 19:43 |
| cubezzz | there's always room for improvement :) | Oct 30 19:44 |
| fewa | agreed | Oct 30 19:44 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OizgSfsxX9c | Oct 30 19:44 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube - Alexander the Great (BBC Documentary) 1 - Greek Macedonians .::. Size~: 135.24 KB | Oct 30 19:44 |
| treestrump | make good nuts too | Oct 30 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Hey, mutex, you're banned already | Oct 30 19:46 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on treestrump!*@* | Oct 30 19:47 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked treestrump from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 30 19:47 | |
| schestowitz | He'd nymshift again | Oct 30 19:47 |
| fewa | "fan the seeds of discontent" | Oct 30 19:48 |
| cubezzz | it's the tone that always gives him away | Oct 30 19:48 |
| cubezzz | that plus 'igpond' | Oct 30 19:48 |
| fewa | its always the same | Oct 30 19:48 |
| cubezzz | bigpond | Oct 30 19:48 |
| schestowitz | "scumpond" I call it | Oct 30 19:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the ignominy! just got hit by download cap! had to buy 2gb till sunday. bah. | Oct 30 20:46 | |
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| schestowitz | Yikes. | Oct 30 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Download caps? | Oct 30 21:07 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Oct 30 21:09 |
| trmanco | I use to have them | Oct 30 21:09 |
| MinceR | my mobile internet connection has them | Oct 30 21:10 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 30 21:11 |
| trmanco | I pay 1¢ per KB downloaded and uploaded on my cellphone | Oct 30 21:11 |
| trmanco | it's still uses the good'ol GPRS technology | Oct 30 21:12 |
| trmanco | slow too | Oct 30 21:12 |
| trmanco | (R) | Oct 30 21:12 |
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| MinceR | i pay about 20 EUR per month for a 5 GB monthly cap, over GPRS and EDGE | Oct 30 21:16 |
| MinceR | it would probably work with UMTS and HSDPA too, but i don't have the hardware for those yet | Oct 30 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Caps... scary concept. :-) | Oct 30 21:18 |
| schestowitz | I used to have transatlantic quota as a teen | Oct 30 21:18 |
| schestowitz | but that was ages ago | Oct 30 21:18 |
| schestowitz | And you could get cap-less at night | Oct 30 21:19 |
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| _goblin | hi all.... | Oct 30 21:22 |
| _goblin | Had a surprise tonight, had a visit from the Pirate Party on my blog. | Oct 30 21:22 |
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| wispygalaxy | hey guys! | Oct 30 21:23 |
| schestowitz | hey | Oct 30 21:23 |
| wispygalaxy | hi roy! :) | Oct 30 21:24 |
| wispygalaxy | how are you today? | Oct 30 21:24 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm going home to visit my family | Oct 30 21:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm all right | Oct 30 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Just posted news in BN | Oct 30 21:24 |
| wispygalaxy | nice, you always have fresh news | Oct 30 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Lots of off-topic stuff too | Oct 30 21:24 |
| wispygalaxy | in irc? | Oct 30 21:25 |
| schestowitz | The scams in healthcare and banking appeal to me.... much worse corruption there than in IT | Oct 30 21:25 |
| MinceR | there's only "unlimited" mobile plan here, but it's for "normal" use only | Oct 30 21:25 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, the corruption in finance caused global problems | Oct 30 21:25 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I'm going to also post some in USENET | Oct 30 21:25 |
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| wispygalaxy | oh ok roy | Oct 30 21:25 |
| MinceR | so the limit is whatever they feel like it is at the moment | Oct 30 21:25 |
| MinceR | s/only/only one/ | Oct 30 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I killfiled the Microsoft AstroTurfers, but orphaned replied show that Ballmer's little helpers attack Linux now | Oct 30 21:26 |
| wispygalaxy | am i still welcome there in cola haha | Oct 30 21:26 |
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| wispygalaxy | the trolls yelled at me ;( | Oct 30 21:26 |
| schestowitz | They can't defend Windows, so they run frantic against the #1 rival, GNU | Oct 30 21:26 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: just don't feed the mafiosos | Oct 30 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | yes they attack little 'ol linux. didnt they say linux is insignificant? | Oct 30 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Stick to advocacy with advocates | Oct 30 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, im tired of the trolls | Oct 30 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | of course :) | Oct 30 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Filter them out | Oct 30 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Don't let them ruin it for you | Oct 30 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | ok | Oct 30 21:27 |
| schestowitz | They only reply to one another | Oct 30 21:27 |
| schestowitz | "Bottom feeding" | Oct 30 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Oct 30 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | group hug | Oct 30 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Like taking a crap on another piece ofc rap | Oct 30 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | yuck lol | Oct 30 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, the Munchkins are a steamin' bunch | Oct 30 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Don't engage with them | Oct 30 21:28 |
| _goblin | I call them fraggles.....I think its more apt. | Oct 30 21:29 |
| wispygalaxy | i won't haha | Oct 30 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | Flunkies | Oct 30 21:29 |
| wispygalaxy | hello goblin! | Oct 30 21:29 |
| _goblin | hi! | Oct 30 21:29 |
| wispygalaxy | i like your blog | Oct 30 21:29 |
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| wispygalaxy | it's funny :) | Oct 30 21:29 |
| _goblin | thanks...dead easy to do.....anyone can do it! | Oct 30 21:29 |
| schestowitz | awww... *grouphug* | Oct 30 21:29 |
| wispygalaxy | hehe | Oct 30 21:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] You know, I almost want to see Bob's wrath against them if they try for a fucking penny. She's not rich - he is. http://is.gd/4Iwxq | Oct 30 21:30 | |
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| wispygalaxy | i have a blog, i'll post something soon | Oct 30 21:30 |
| _goblin | Whats the url? | Oct 30 21:30 |
| wispygalaxy | wispygalaxy.blogspot.com | Oct 30 21:31 |
| schestowitz | blogs.bbc.co.uk/wispy | Oct 30 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | i use this name everywhere | Oct 30 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | haha no roy ;) | Oct 30 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | im not on the BBC | Oct 30 21:31 |
| schestowitz | You sure? | Oct 30 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Ah | Oct 30 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | yep | Oct 30 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Just an imposter then | Oct 30 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Pen name hijacker | Oct 30 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | ignore the forger :P | Oct 30 21:31 |
| _goblin | once you start it up, let me know....I'll throw you a mention. | Oct 30 21:32 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks! | Oct 30 21:32 |
| voltronw | why does installing java on windows try to install the yahoo toolbar? | Oct 30 21:32 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll link to you too, goblin | Oct 30 21:32 |
| _goblin | :) | Oct 30 21:32 |
| _goblin | First update for Kubuntu 9.10 --- Chromium ffmpeg codecs | Oct 30 21:34 |
| _goblin | I do like Kpackagekit | Oct 30 21:34 |
| wispygalaxy | nice, KDE | Oct 30 21:34 |
| wispygalaxy | i havent tried chrome yet | Oct 30 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | but i want to | Oct 30 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | my school is not officially supporting IE8 because they say its unstable | Oct 30 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | they want you to stick with IE7 if you use IE | Oct 30 21:35 |
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| _goblin | I love chromium...been with it since the early builds. | Oct 30 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Audiocast from #LinuxFormat and #LinuxCrazy http://ur1.ca/eted http://ur1.ca/etef | Oct 30 21:38 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Podcast Season 1 Episode 20 | TuxRadar .::. Size~: 28.78 KB | Oct 30 21:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Podcast 65 Bashed In The Head | LinuxCrazy .::. Size~: 13.11 KB | Oct 30 21:38 |
| wispygalaxy | i always arrive late to the party, i never seem to test out the alphas, betas, etc | Oct 30 21:38 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll try to do some more testing | Oct 30 21:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Big Wins for #FreeSoftware as of Late, #Maddog Reflects http://ur1.ca/etem | Oct 30 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: even supporting users helps | Oct 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Or advocating | Oct 30 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | that i do ;) | Oct 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | To friends, family, etc. | Oct 30 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | yep, my fiends are recepients of my advocacy | Oct 30 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | friends* | Oct 30 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Oct 30 21:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME 2.29.1 is Released http://lwn.net/Articles/359423/ | Oct 30 21:44 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GNOME 2.29.1 released [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 9.98 KB | Oct 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Network effect makes Microsoft worry | Oct 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | In Brazil, for example, it has already happened | Oct 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | The critical mass is further away in the US | Oct 30 21:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i know linux will kick window's butt! :P | Oct 30 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | the truth will come out, and countries will make the swtich | Oct 30 21:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Gets Boost from #Ubuntu Release http://ur1.ca/etfb http://ur1.ca/etfc | Oct 30 21:48 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu 9.10 'Karmic Koala' release gives KDE a boost - canonical, gnome, kde, kubuntu - Computerworld .::. Size~: 88.92 KB | Oct 30 21:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kubuntu 9.10 Release Adds Plasma Netbook Preview | KDE.news .::. Size~: 20.23 KB | Oct 30 21:48 |
| wispygalaxy | brb | Oct 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: do you already know her? | Oct 30 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | hi again! | Oct 30 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Yo. | Oct 30 21:55 |
| wispygalaxy | i met goblin on here and COLA | Oct 30 21:55 |
| wispygalaxy | heyyy :D | Oct 30 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Ahhh... small world | Oct 30 21:55 |
| wispygalaxy | it's all cosy | Oct 30 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | we're a warm community | Oct 30 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | we don't attack others, like the trolls say | Oct 30 21:56 |
| cubezzz | we are? :) | Oct 30 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Small world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsgKp_Vf6wI | Oct 30 21:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube - Largest known planet - biggest star ever seen .::. Size~: 131.31 KB | Oct 30 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Very small | Oct 30 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | cubezzz: oh yeah | Oct 30 21:57 |
| schestowitz | We do it outta luv :-) | Oct 30 21:57 |
| wispygalaxy | schestowitz: we are sooo tiny... i saw this poster on digg that showed us how small | Oct 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Like a parent grabbing the kid's arm | Oct 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | To prevent running into the road :-) | Oct 30 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | haha that's nice roy. love is good! | Oct 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's a good thing | Oct 30 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | why not use a leash :P | Oct 30 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | jk! | Oct 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Imagine how long it would take to travel on a 747 on the biggest planet | Oct 30 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | if we had too much power in the universe, we'd ruin everything | Oct 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: some parents use a leash | Oct 30 21:59 |
| wispygalaxy | i dont think we'd ever be able to travel at the speed of light | Oct 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | But not like the one used for dogs | Oct 30 21:59 |
| wispygalaxy | we'd just turn into jelly if we could | Oct 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | It's funny when parents hold their kids on a leash | Oct 30 21:59 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah it's weird | Oct 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | You know what's weirder? | Oct 30 21:59 |
| wispygalaxy | lemme find that poster that had the planet size........ | Oct 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Dogs with sweaters !! | Oct 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | You see... | Oct 30 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | haha thats cure | Oct 30 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | cute* | Oct 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | We make our dogs more like kids | Oct 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | And the kids more like dogs... | Oct 30 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | we give dogs haircuts and bows | Oct 30 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | they say a pet looks more and more like his/her owner | Oct 30 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | ah here's the link: http://digg.com/space/Holy_sh_t_we_re_small_Pic | Oct 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe one day we'll live in harmony with nature, like the native Indians | Oct 30 22:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/010681.html | Oct 30 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | lol that'll be the day | Oct 30 22:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Worldchanging: Bright Green: Meat: Not on the Menu of the Future says Lord Stern .::. Size~: 54.44 KB | Oct 30 22:01 |
| cubezzz | ah, no :) | Oct 30 22:01 |
| cubezzz | in Canada we say "First Nations" in the States they say "Native American" | Oct 30 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Imagine 'smuggling' meat | Oct 30 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | actually, in my environmental history class, they say that the indians did not live as peacefully with nature as we like to think | Oct 30 22:01 |
| cubezzz | not "Indians" | Oct 30 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Like "murder" | Oct 30 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | they wasted a lot of meat, overkilling the animals | Oct 30 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | indian is ok, i went to a museum and asked there | Oct 30 22:02 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, oops | Oct 30 22:02 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Sorry Roy....know who? | Oct 30 22:02 |
| cubezzz | thank you Chistopher Columbus :) | Oct 30 22:02 |
| wispygalaxy | it was a native american museum | Oct 30 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Natives/Indians | Oct 30 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Not native Indians | Oct 30 22:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: wispygalaxy | Oct 30 22:02 |
| wispygalaxy | eskimo is offensive, you say inuit | Oct 30 22:02 |
| _goblin | only from this chat room... | Oct 30 22:02 |
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| MinceR | why is eskimo offensive? | Oct 30 22:03 |
| wispygalaxy | i think it means fish eater | Oct 30 22:03 |
| cubezzz | eventually some actually prefer the term Eskimo, but usually not | Oct 30 22:03 |
| wispygalaxy | idk i learned that in my culture class at school | Oct 30 22:03 |
| cubezzz | and Inuit doesn't cover everything | Oct 30 22:03 |
| wispygalaxy | look at this freaky link: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2706/spaceb.jpg | Oct 30 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | $> cat _goblin wispygalaxy >myfile.txt | grep sins | Oct 30 22:03 |
| wispygalaxy | my sins? haha | Oct 30 22:04 |
| cubezzz | what if someone said BSD and Linux was the same? :) | Oct 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: maybe _goblin's | Oct 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Microsoft would | Oct 30 22:04 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm not being a sinner b/c santa's watching... lol | Oct 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They said it's a derivative of Unix (Linux that is) | Oct 30 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Santa being a perv, eh? | Oct 30 22:05 |
| wispygalaxy | ahahah | Oct 30 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Watch you all the time, watching if you behave | Oct 30 22:05 |
| wispygalaxy | it's like 1984 | Oct 30 22:05 |
| wispygalaxy | except with presents | Oct 30 22:05 |
| schestowitz | That's what they say about deities | Oct 30 22:05 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: grep can read files by itself, no need to use cat | Oct 30 22:06 |
| wispygalaxy | there is no proof for santa, though :( | Oct 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he exists | Oct 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | "He" | Oct 30 22:06 |
| cubezzz | Stallman is Santa :) | Oct 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to disprove existence | Oct 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | It's easier to prove existence | Oct 30 22:06 |
| MinceR | "Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space." | Oct 30 22:06 |
| wispygalaxy | rms does look like santa | Oct 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | But the burden of proof is on that claiming existence | Oct 30 22:06 |
| wispygalaxy | did you see my link guys? | Oct 30 22:06 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: too bad you're ignoring me, you could actually learn something if you weren't. oh well. | Oct 30 22:07 |
| MinceR | wispygalaxy: that's what i posted this quote in reply to | Oct 30 22:07 |
| cubezzz | VY Canis Majoris | Oct 30 22:07 |
| cubezzz | ftw | Oct 30 22:07 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: do you know what Santa looks like? | Oct 30 22:07 |
| wispygalaxy | oh sry mincer, didnt see that | Oct 30 22:07 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, its amazing how small we are | Oct 30 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Each culture has its god[dess] look like 'them' | Oct 30 22:07 |
| wispygalaxy | nope, i never saw santa | Oct 30 22:07 |
| wispygalaxy | i only saw the aftermath of his tresspassing into my home | Oct 30 22:08 |
| cubezzz | the Secularization of Christmas is quite severe | Oct 30 22:08 |
| schestowitz | And each one is always right and absolutely right....the others are infidels/non-believers/sinners/sinners | Oct 30 22:08 |
| wispygalaxy | we should get along, it makes the world more interesting | Oct 30 22:08 |
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| wispygalaxy | i played christmas, kwanzaa, and jewish music in band | Oct 30 22:09 |
| MinceR | the first time i saw that pic, i expected to see a huge xbox beside a small VY Canis Majoris | Oct 30 22:09 |
| wispygalaxy | at school | Oct 30 22:09 |
| cubezzz | MinceR :) | Oct 30 22:09 |
| wispygalaxy | xbox flames just like VY canis majoris | Oct 30 22:09 |
| schestowitz | True, but some cultures still exclude, with words like "infidel" or "gentile" | Oct 30 22:09 |
| wispygalaxy | both get really hot | Oct 30 22:09 |
| schestowitz | That's just wrong | Oct 30 22:09 |
| schestowitz | It's part of the religion to segregate based on genetic code | Oct 30 22:09 |
| cubezzz | there are free thinkers, there are closed thinkers | Oct 30 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Even among the same species | Oct 30 22:09 |
| wispygalaxy | that's sad :( | Oct 30 22:10 |
| wispygalaxy | we are all human | Oct 30 22:10 |
| cubezzz | most people are probably closed thinkers | Oct 30 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It's like having a Labrador refusing to approach Labrador with fur of other tone | Oct 30 22:10 |
| MinceR | most people aren't thinkers | Oct 30 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Good things don't don't have TNT | Oct 30 22:10 |
| wispygalaxy | maybe she should wear a wig | Oct 30 22:10 |
| wispygalaxy | the dog | Oct 30 22:11 |
| schestowitz | They aren't much of a cannibalistic creature either | Oct 30 22:11 |
| wallc | i find it sad that, in tv and movies, people who don't celebrate xmas are depicted as anti-social, "scrooges"... | Oct 30 22:11 |
| cubezzz | xbox, such an imaginative name :-P | Oct 30 22:11 |
| MinceR | wallc: traditional usian "values" | Oct 30 22:11 |
| schestowitz | wallc: "you're ruining the holiday spirit!!!!!!1" | Oct 30 22:12 |
| wallc | bah-humbug! :) | Oct 30 22:12 |
| schestowitz | The spirit of secularism :-) | Oct 30 22:12 |
| schestowitz | One where RMS goes down the chimney with copies of emacs | Oct 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | One house per town | Oct 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Then he says, "you must share it with your neighbour" | Oct 30 22:13 |
| cubezzz | a bottle of Pepsi in every stocking :) | Oct 30 22:13 |
| wispygalaxy | the vi guys will have their chimenys barricaded | Oct 30 22:13 |
| wallc | the only "santa" i ever met was drunk as a skunk while he let kids sit on his lap...it was creepy | Oct 30 22:14 |
| wispygalaxy | chimneys* | Oct 30 22:14 |
| wallc | the place where i worked hired him on year. | Oct 30 22:14 |
| cubezzz | In Scrooges "day" it was Father Christmas not Santa | Oct 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Then they sing around the fire "vi roasting on an open fire" | Oct 30 22:14 |
| krenso | windows is cheaper than linux, look http://ur1.ca/eth8 | Oct 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | The following day they attend Church of Emacs | Oct 30 22:14 |
| wispygalaxy | haha roy | Oct 30 22:14 |
| krenso | windows comes with wifi n, | Oct 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Each person brings a patch] | Oct 30 22:14 |
| wispygalaxy | and they RTFM (bible) | Oct 30 22:14 |
| wispygalaxy | to make a quilt, roy? :P | Oct 30 22:15 |
| krenso | better cpu and is still cheaper $60 | Oct 30 22:15 |
| krenso | how could it be? | Oct 30 22:15 |
| schestowitz | At the end, gpl-violation comes knockin' | Oct 30 22:15 |
| schestowitz | *gpl-violations | Oct 30 22:15 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: does the F stand for "Fine"? | Oct 30 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | it's up to you! | Oct 30 22:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Maemo Becomes More Like #KDE http://bit.ly/3uukqT http://lwn.net/Articles/356825/ | Oct 30 22:17 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Maemo Summit 2009: Fremantle, Harmattan, and N900 [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 39.52 KB | Oct 30 22:17 |
| wallc | well, today's my day off. i'm not supposed to be at the computer, but i had to just peek in and say hi...guess i better go spend time with my other friends now - bye all :) | Oct 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: "Funky" | Oct 30 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | "well, today's my day off. i'm not supposed to be at the computer," | Oct 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Why is it that people assume that "off" must mean "out somewhere" | Oct 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | People always want to be "out" | Oct 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "I'm going out" | Oct 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "Let's fly somewhere" | Oct 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "...need to get away" | Oct 30 22:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tons of Good Reviews of #Ubuntu 9.10 http://ur1.ca/etho http://ur1.ca/ethp http://ur1.ca/ethq http://ur1.ca/ethr http://ur1.ca/eths | Oct 30 22:19 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Good Karma - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 79.25 KB | Oct 30 22:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu 9.10 brings karma to the market - ZDNet.co.uk .::. Size~: 99.38 KB | Oct 30 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | haha funky, roy | Oct 30 22:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: My operating system of choice: Ubuntu Linux | Central Michigan Life .::. Size~: 52.01 KB | Oct 30 22:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) Desktop Edition Review .::. Size~: 30.65 KB | Oct 30 22:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Distro Review: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala | Adventures In Open Source .::. Size~: 62.77 KB | Oct 30 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, you can spend a relaxing day at home during your day off. but me, i like to see things | Oct 30 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | the park would be nice, so would the beach | Oct 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Oct 30 22:21 |
| wispygalaxy | im adventerous | Oct 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Explain please. I try to test people's inner thinking... | Oct 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Drives some people mad :-) | Oct 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people do things so that they can tell people they did them | Oct 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Like swimming, flying abroad, etc. | Oct 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | But they'd never admit it | Oct 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Personal pride, delusion | Oct 30 22:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Openbytes looks at Kubuntu 9.10 – Karmic Koala http://tinyurl.com/yas73g3 #linux #foss #windows #microsoft #vista #xp | Oct 30 22:23 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 37.99 KB | Oct 30 22:23 |
| wispygalaxy | if i test new things, then my life will be richer | Oct 30 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | how will i know if i like something if i dont test it out | Oct 30 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | if i dont like something, then i wont do it again | Oct 30 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | it doesnt hurt to test it out ;) | Oct 30 22:25 |
| cubezzz | is VY Canis Majoris bigger than our solar system? | Oct 30 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | im not sure about that, but i believe its the biggest star | Oct 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: but that's besides the question | Oct 30 22:26 |
| cubezzz | no, it's not, just out to Saturn's orbit, but still... | Oct 30 22:27 |
| cubezzz | that's big | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: define the solar system's boundary | Oct 30 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, its huge | Oct 30 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | its kinda scary :P | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Does Pluto count after being delisted, so to speak | Oct 30 22:27 |
| cubezzz | yes | Oct 30 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | nope its not a planet anymore, i think its a dwarf planet | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's not the size that's scary | Oct 30 22:27 |
| cubezzz | it counts as a dwarf planet | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | It's inhibitabilty | Oct 30 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | yes the size is scart! | Oct 30 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | scary* | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | And imagine the gravity on that thing | Oct 30 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | to me, at least haha | Oct 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: the Sun too | Oct 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | But we sometimes draw a smiley face on it... and sunglasses | Oct 30 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | reminds me of kepler | Oct 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | The sun is 20,000,000 degrees (centigrade) in he core | Oct 30 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | haha i used to draw sunglasses on the sun all the time when i drew things | Oct 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Sun is revered | Oct 30 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | that core would make the ultimate sauna | Oct 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Since forever | Oct 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Bringer of life | Oct 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | When there was no artificial lighting | Oct 30 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | sunlight vs water: which is more vital to life? | Oct 30 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | ever hear of chemosynthesis | Oct 30 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | dwellers on the bottom of the ocean go through this | Oct 30 22:30 |
| schestowitz | That's like saying, "what's more important for making bread? Seed or water? | Oct 30 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | its so dark there that they need to go through this process | Oct 30 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | both are important, you love them all equally, like children | Oct 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Water is matter, Sun more like energy | Oct 30 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | isnt plasma the 4th element? | Oct 30 22:31 |
| MinceR | no, it's the 4th state of matter | Oct 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Ask PetoKraus | Oct 30 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | ah thats what i meant | Oct 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | He's the chemist | Oct 30 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | i havent seen him in a while, hows he doin | Oct 30 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Got a new rig | Oct 30 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | awesome | Oct 30 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | i g2g, im going out to dinner with my family, good night everyone! | Oct 30 22:34 |
| MinceR | o/ | Oct 30 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya mincer! | Oct 30 22:35 |
| schestowitz | o/////// | Oct 30 22:36 |
| cubezzz | porting bsd-games today | Oct 30 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | i want to say bye to roy, is he still here.... | Oct 30 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | oh bye for now, roy! | Oct 30 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | sry didnt see your farewell | Oct 30 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | take care cubezzz | Oct 30 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | have a nice weekend everyone :) | Oct 30 22:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM (Almost Linux-only) Beats x86 Hands Down in Numbers http://bit.ly/Zs62c | Oct 30 22:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux #Phones Reaching More Architectures (Now #PPC ) http://bit.ly/3xsi7O | Oct 30 22:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is the news about #Android #PPC http://bit.ly/3IF6Dd | Oct 30 22:38 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ARM vs. Atom: The battle for the next digital frontier | Hardware - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 88.75 KB | Oct 30 22:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Android gets a PowerPC port - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 29.6 KB | Oct 30 22:38 |
| cubezzz | a network ncurses game might be interesting | Oct 30 22:38 |
| MinceR | i prefer opengl :> | Oct 30 22:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Grows as the #Economy Gets Robbed http://ur1.ca/etj7 | Oct 30 22:41 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ive Seen the Data: Economy Goes Down, Open Source Goes Up | OpenLogic Blogs .::. Size~: 25.89 KB | Oct 30 22:41 |
| *amarsh04__ is now known as amarsh04 | Oct 30 22:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Recommended #Firefox and #OpenOffice .org #Extensions http://ur1.ca/etjc http://ur1.ca/etjd | Oct 30 22:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] FREDA HAS WORKED OUT HOW TO SET THE MICROWAVE GOING. *dives for cover* | Oct 30 22:44 | |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: LOL ncurses | Oct 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Back to the future | Oct 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | After the third world war, when we're left with rocks and sticks | Oct 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Drug, sex and rock n' roll -> rocks, sticks, and ncurses | Oct 30 22:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #gvSIG Mini Debuts as #FreeSoftware (GPL) http://bit.ly/4fjczz | Oct 30 22:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Honorary #RichardStallman Does a Round of News #Interviews http://ur1.ca/etk7 http://ur1.ca/enrh | Oct 30 22:52 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Hacker Public Radio .::. Size~: 13.36 KB | Oct 30 22:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #IceCat 3.5.4 and Other GNU Software Released http://ur1.ca/etka http://ur1.ca/etkb #libre | Oct 30 22:53 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GNUzilla - News: GNU IceCat 3.5.4 released [Savannah] .::. Size~: 20.43 KB | Oct 30 22:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: CertCities.com | Column: Encrypting with GNU Privacy Guard .::. Size~: 54.75 KB | Oct 30 22:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zenoss 2.5 is Out, Released Under the #GNU #GPL http://bit.ly/uJAKx | Oct 30 22:55 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Zenoss 2.5 released - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 28.58 KB | Oct 30 22:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tim Berners-Lee Brings #Freedom to British #Government http://ur1.ca/etkh #egov | Oct 30 22:56 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Berners-Lee to develop government data access point | 27 Oct 2009 | ComputerWeekly.com .::. Size~: 59.01 KB | Oct 30 22:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Opening of Data in Government http://ur1.ca/etkm , Education http://ur1.ca/etkn , Web http://ur1.ca/etko | Oct 30 22:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FreeCulture.org Students for Free Culture » Blog Archive » Call for Participation: Join the Open University Campaign! .::. Size~: 22.42 KB | Oct 30 22:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WHATWG puts HTML5 on the home straight - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 29.91 KB | Oct 30 22:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] When Business #Propaganda Harms #Democracy http://ur1.ca/etla http://ur1.ca/etlb | Oct 30 23:07 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How Business Propaganda Hijacks Canadian Democracy | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 23.92 KB | Oct 30 23:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Apparently I am lucky to be alive after making my opinions on KDE public...Or maybe I now have a tech geek assassin after me? | Oct 30 23:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bogus Figures from #IntellectualMonopolists Used to Promote Agenda http://bit.ly/2PC08v | Oct 30 23:09 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Numbers of Mass Distraction confused of calcutta .::. Size~: 65.29 KB | Oct 30 23:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I wouldnt care, but I was hardly critical of it, infact I was impressed...maybe people don't want others liking KDE? | Oct 30 23:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Big Public and Private Backlash Against #Mandelson & #Hollywood Warlords http://ur1.ca/etlw http://ur1.ca/etlx | Oct 30 23:12 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Petition to: abolish the proposed law that will see alleged illegal filesharers disconnected from their broadband connections, without a fair trial. | Number10.gov.uk .::. Size~: 24.5 KB | Oct 30 23:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Trademarks and #DCMA (Ab)Used Again to Censor http://ur1.ca/etm7 http://ur1.ca/etm9 | Oct 30 23:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: LIKELIHOOD OF CONFUSION® | Trademark: The tort of choice for censors | Ron Coleman .::. Size~: 51.06 KB | Oct 30 23:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Chamber Sues the Yes Men | Mother Jones .::. Size~: 95.23 KB | Oct 30 23:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jeff #Bozo Changes Words to Forcefeed #Monopoly on Shopping with Clicks http://ur1.ca/etmd | Oct 30 23:15 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Amazon Patents Changing Authors' Words .::. Size~: 161.17 KB | Oct 30 23:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Legalised #Bribery from #Microsoft Made Easy to See with Metadata http://ur1.ca/etmp | Oct 30 23:23 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Lobbyists beware: judge rules metadata is public record - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 44.96 KB | Oct 30 23:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Real Victims of #Vista7 Speak Out http://bit.ly/21tI1Q | Oct 30 23:24 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Windows 7: The Readers Speak - PC World .::. Size~: 72.44 KB | Oct 30 23:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pro-Microsoft Web site says #Vista7 is just #Vista with "Small Changes" http://ur1.ca/etmx | Oct 30 23:27 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Windows 7 review: 'New' OS is just Vista with small changes -- Government Computer News .::. Size~: 68.15 KB | Oct 30 23:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Harvard University Looks at #Vista7 and Considers More of #GNU #Linux Instead http://bit.ly/2N0dJX | Oct 30 23:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DenverPost Exposes the #Vista7 #Scam , #GNU #Linux Faster and Better http://ur1.ca/etnd http://ur1.ca/etne | Oct 30 23:33 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Quillen: Windows 7 explained - The Denver Post .::. Size~: 126.29 KB | Oct 30 23:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Vista, Windows 7, Ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 boot speed comparison | TuxRadar .::. Size~: 26.72 KB | Oct 30 23:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Bullies/FUDMeisters #Apple and #Blackboard Fight #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/etnl http://ur1.ca/etnm | Oct 30 23:36 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Palm Pre evicted from iTunes (yet again) • The Register .::. Size~: 27.38 KB | Oct 30 23:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blackboards Response to Open Source: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt .::. Size~: 80.76 KB | Oct 30 23:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Trolling by Windows 'fans' (AstroTurf?) has been low recently; Sign of desperation? | Oct 30 23:41 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #WebGL in #Firefox 3.7 is awesome, and it even works in #Linux | Oct 30 23:45 | |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ | Oct 30 23:55 |
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| Diablo-D3 | yeah, thats pretty much my opinion too | Oct 30 23:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz or maybe the cash cow is drying up...or what about the FTC to blame for fewer advocates? #microsoft #windows #xp #vista | Oct 30 23:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Out in the jungle. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/17492.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/531213.html | Oct 30 23:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: reddragdiva | Out in the jungle. .::. Size~: 28.38 KB | Oct 30 23:59 |
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