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schestowitzoiaohm: you use Deb, right?Nov 03 00:01
oiaohmDebian as core.  Just because I am too lazy to reformat.Nov 03 00:01
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schestowitzoiaohm: what do you mean?Nov 03 00:02
oiaohmI run a lot of other distributions in openvz schestowitzNov 03 00:03
oiaohmI cannot wait for X11 to work from there without major hacking.Nov 03 00:03
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schestowitzoiaohm: server?Nov 03 00:06
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oiaohmThis is my test bed schestowitzNov 03 00:08
schestowitzhttp://www.techcentral.co.za/ubuntus-koala-is-loveable-but-can-bite/11042/Nov 03 00:08
oiaohmTo make sure Ideas I have will work.Nov 03 00:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i was thinking your sauna computer link would be an abacusNov 03 00:09
schestowitzhttp://www.liliputing.com/2009/11/quake-iii-hd-video-demoed-on-netbooks-with-gma-500-graphics-moblin-linux.htmlNov 03 00:09
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schestowitzHmmm... boring videoNov 03 00:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The hard part of a 100-core CPU is not the 100 cores - it's networking them. http://bit.ly/33toedNov 03 00:21
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yuhongI just upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10.Nov 03 00:23
yuhongMy Ubuntu system feel much better after the upgradeNov 03 00:23
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oiaohmScary thing look at the 100 core design and its got everything bar a video card to build like a netbook.Nov 03 00:24
yuhongKMS and a new Intel graphic driver made a gread difference for me.Nov 03 00:24
yuhongThis is why I mention that my other dual-boot system is a Vista OEM preload:Nov 03 00:25
yuhonghttp://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16678Nov 03 00:25
schestowitzyuhong: good stuffNov 03 00:25
yuhongAnd no more annoying oops during DOS debug sessions using dosemu too.Nov 03 00:26
yuhongVT switches are faster, no more annoying X server restarts.Nov 03 00:27
yuhongAnyway, have you read the DailyTech link I just mentioned above? You will see why I often mention that the Vista side of the dual-boot is an OEM preload.Nov 03 00:29
oiaohmAnd kernel panic works yuhongNov 03 00:29
oiaohmSo if it does happen you get the message what went wrong.Nov 03 00:29
yuhongYep, that helps too, though I rarely have see my Ubuntu system freeze.Nov 03 00:30
oiaohmSooner all video drivers on linux are KMS the better.Nov 03 00:31
yuhongThe main problem with the system because of the upgrade, though, were not kernel panics.Nov 03 00:32
oiaohmHmm apple is needing more than Ubuntu.Nov 03 00:32
yuhongIt was that occasionally the X server would restart due to an error.Nov 03 00:33
yuhongI once read the error message from the log file, but I forgot what was it was now.Nov 03 00:34
oiaohmNo upgrade is without risks.Nov 03 00:34
yuhongI mean before the upgrade.Nov 03 00:34
yuhongAnd because the log files has been overwritten since the upgrade, I can't get it now.Nov 03 00:35
yuhongAnyway, the most annoying thing about that error is that after the X server restart, VT switching do not work anymore.Nov 03 00:36
yuhongParticularly because of the lack of KMS.Nov 03 00:37
yuhongAfter the upgrade, I no longer see this error, and if I do see the error again, KMS will help VT switching remain working properly.Nov 03 00:37
yuhongThe upgrade went fine and eliminated a lot of the annoyance.Nov 03 00:38
yuhongJust to make this clear.Nov 03 00:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ciphergoth We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to re-instate #davidnutt http://j.mp/pGI2INov 03 00:43
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cubezzzI can't get fedora 11 to ctrl-alt-backspace to restart XNov 03 00:46
cubezzzweirdNov 03 00:46
oiaohmThey have removed zap cubezzzNov 03 00:47
oiaohmReally SAK in kernel is a better sledge hammer.Nov 03 00:47
cubezzzyeah, I just go init 1 Nov 03 00:47
cubezzzthen back to init 5Nov 03 00:47
oiaohmSAK can be assigned to any combination.Nov 03 00:48
cubezzzand just in case I have a ssh connectionNov 03 00:48
oiaohmIt kills all processed connected to a particular virtual terminal.Nov 03 00:48
oiaohmYes alllNov 03 00:48
cubezzzis there BSD on ARM?Nov 03 00:50
oiaohmYes there is cubezzzNov 03 00:51
oiaohmhttp://www.freebsd.org/platforms/arm.html  cubezzz its a tier 2.Nov 03 00:52
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cubezzzah, I seeNov 03 00:54
oiaohmfreebsd is found inside some routers that are arm.Nov 03 00:54
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cubezzzI'm a bit disappointed with routers not working latelyNov 03 00:55
cubezzzthey do strange things sometimesNov 03 00:55
cubezzzsome linksys go to "sleep" Nov 03 00:55
oiaohmHave you replaced the firmware with non vxworks.Nov 03 00:56
cubezzzthey can't self-correct back to normalNov 03 00:56
cubezzzoiaohm, no not on customer's unitNov 03 00:56
cubezzzdlink sometimes does strange things tooNov 03 00:56
oiaohmI have ended up doing it on customer units to get rid of that problem.Nov 03 00:56
oiaohmdlink I custom patch there firmwares.Nov 03 00:57
oiaohmOr use open source replacements.Nov 03 00:57
cubezzzDI-704P is very old, so yeah I will replace itNov 03 00:57
cubezzzis there anything you recommend?Nov 03 00:57
cubezzzlike specific manufacturer or model #'sNov 03 00:57
oiaohmMost these days I am doing replacements of firewares because every manufacturers firmware has bugs that are annoying and they take too long to release updates.Nov 03 00:58
oiaohmSo something open source firmware supporting cubezzzNov 03 00:59
cubezzzalso ac adapter is usually crapNov 03 00:59
oiaohmI have had dlinks rendered usless by dlink update.  Ok not quite usless.  Must use IE to operate interface and other crap from the closed firmware.Nov 03 01:00
oiaohmAnd others.Nov 03 01:00
oiaohmThese days I don't trust the hardware makers of them any more.Nov 03 01:01
cubezzzhmmmNov 03 01:01
cubezzzobviously ISPs must use better stuff :)Nov 03 01:02
oiaohmHardware wise no.Nov 03 01:02
oiaohmJust aquire stuff we can gut.Nov 03 01:02
oiaohmCutting out all the trouble making stuff.Nov 03 01:02
cubezzzNot sure I follow youNov 03 01:03
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oiaohmAs long as we can insert our own firmwares ie gut them of there crap.  No problems.Nov 03 01:04
cubezzzah I seeNov 03 01:04
oiaohmThinking lots of dlinks running Linux internally is really really stupid not to work with firefox or other browsers.Nov 03 01:07
oiaohmRemember just because they are Linux inside does not make them all OS friendly.Nov 03 01:07
cubezzzoiaohm, I didn't realize some dlinks had linux insideNov 03 01:10
oiaohmLot of routers do cubezzzNov 03 01:10
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oiaohmThey are either Linux freebsd or vxworks.Nov 03 01:11
cubezzzyes, I know about WRT54GL Nov 03 01:11
oiaohmHighest percentage Linux.Nov 03 01:11
oiaohmHmm is that old or new taging.  new taging L is linux.Nov 03 01:12
oiaohmYep a penguin cubezzzNov 03 01:13
oiaohmhttp://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1934567,00.aspNov 03 01:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] File Sharers spend more! – Or so quotes the BBC - http://tinyurl.com/ygzw2al #bbc #tpb #piratebay #btNov 03 01:14
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oiaohmThe WRT54G is wxworks.Nov 03 01:14
oiaohmWRT54G has less internal memory but is basically the same chip set.Nov 03 01:15
oiaohmInstall openwrt on it and its feature list and stablity will go threw roof cubezzzNov 03 01:15
oiaohmI cannot remember of WRT54GL support distance locking on wireless.Nov 03 01:17
cubezzzyes I've been meaning to try thatNov 03 01:17
oiaohmyes a lot more secuiry options are on hand.Nov 03 01:17
oiaohmSome you can set in meters how far someone can be away from it and connect.Nov 03 01:18
schestowitzLinux Foundation uses WMV. Bad bad bad. http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1120Nov 03 01:20
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oiaohmThe factory firmware provides you with less than half the features the device can do cubezzzNov 03 01:20
oiaohmThat was provided by Cisco on that format.Nov 03 01:20
oiaohmMost Linux foundation videos are oggNov 03 01:20
oiaohmPeople don't think of rounters as PC's.Nov 03 01:23
oiaohmopenwrt can be installed on a normal PC and have machine operate like a router.Nov 03 01:23
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DaemonFCIndiana Republicans are trying to hijack our congressional districts under the guise of "neutrality"Nov 03 02:01
DaemonFCI doubt they'll get away with it, the House has to approve these things, and it's got a slight majority of Democrats, and under House rules, the speaker can shelf any legislation from the Senate and keep the House version from being voted onNov 03 02:03
DaemonFCthis is probably just a stunt so they can say "See! Those damned Democrats are at it again!"Nov 03 02:03
DaemonFCthe speaker used that ability for the last few years to refuse a vote on a constitutional amendment illegalizing same-sex marriage that the Senate keeps passingNov 03 02:04
DaemonFC(It's already illegal under statute)Nov 03 02:05
DaemonFCIt kind of makes me wonder if Indiana's Senate Republicans actually do anything other than this constant mental masturbationNov 03 02:05
DaemonFCschestowitz, CentOS 5.4 was utterly destroyed in benchmark comparisons with OpenSuse 11.2 RC 1 and Ubuntu 9.10Nov 03 02:09
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=centos_54_comparison&num=1Nov 03 02:10
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DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8337729.stmNov 03 02:42
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DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/20/business/20jobs.htmlNov 03 02:47
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DaemonFCThat's always made me laughtNov 03 02:47
DaemonFCBush tried to call burger flipping jobs "manufacturing"Nov 03 02:47
DaemonFCto hide the mass exodus of real manufacturing jobs that paid living wagesNov 03 02:48
DaemonFC*laughNov 03 02:48
oiaohmNo wants to cover up the effect of robots.Nov 03 02:49
oiaohmSo far no one has a robot that can burger flip yet.Nov 03 02:49
oiaohmDependably.Nov 03 02:49
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cubezzzburger flipper could be "burger manufacturer" :)Nov 03 02:54
cubezzzinstead of a raise you get a titleNov 03 02:54
DaemonFCoiaohm, So what happens when automation takes jobs away?Nov 03 02:55
DaemonFCyou end up with millions of people that have no jobs and either join the army or go homeless, right?Nov 03 02:55
DaemonFCI can see the new military recruitment videos now..... "HUNGRY?" "TIRED?" "NEED A SHOWER?" "GETTING COLD ON THAT PARK BENCH?" "There's a place for you in the Army!"Nov 03 02:56
DaemonFCseems like that's the only thing that's hiring anymore that pays any kind of money or has any real kind of benefits packageNov 03 02:57
DaemonFCit's sad, because the $4 Trillion spent on just Iraq alone would have provided a hell of a lot of good paying jobs rebuilding our shitty infrastructureNov 03 02:58
DaemonFCnew roads, new bridges, new power plants, dam upgrades in high risk areas like out in California where they depend on a 100 year old system of ad hoc earthfill levies that an earthquake could easily destroyNov 03 03:00
cubezzzDaemonFC, there is always a need to repair thingsNov 03 03:00
cubezzzso if you can fix computers or robots say, then you have a perma-jobNov 03 03:00
DaemonFCcubezzz, Instead of building infrastructure, Bush wasted all our money on IraqNov 03 03:00
DaemonFCwhile a major US city was left to drownNov 03 03:00
DaemonFCit's inexcusableNov 03 03:00
cubezzzyeah you are quite right, it's very badNov 03 03:00
DaemonFCcubezzz, He should have been impeached for that aloneNov 03 03:01
DaemonFCalong with Dickhead CheneyNov 03 03:01
DaemonFCalong with countless other crimes and incidents of gross incompetance or negligenceNov 03 03:01
DaemonFCKucinich introduced articles of impeachment against Bush, but the list of reasons was too short and he didn't include Cheney on themNov 03 03:02
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DaemonFCI wouldn't vote to impeach Bush if we were going to get President Cheney out of the deal, so I'm not surprised Pelosi wasn't hearing any of itNov 03 03:03
cubezzzin Canada in years past I heard people say that the US was "The Land of Opportunity"Nov 03 03:05
DaemonFCcubezzz, If Canada isn't taking the beating that we are, there's only really one reasonNov 03 03:06
DaemonFCemployers don't have to foot the health insurance premiums they do hereNov 03 03:06
cubezzzplus we don't spent tons of money on our militaryNov 03 03:07
cubezzzlower populationNov 03 03:07
DaemonFCcubezzz, Even that isn't really saving their manufacturing industry, just means that it's not getting clobberedNov 03 03:07
DaemonFCthe population there is lower and agingNov 03 03:07
DaemonFCso a lot of Canadian companies are actually opening manufacturing plants in the USNov 03 03:07
cubezzzone time I tried to find a pair of shoes made in Canada :)Nov 03 03:07
DaemonFCI've seen a few cases of that happening in IndianaNov 03 03:08
cubezzzThere is a place that makes dress shoesNov 03 03:08
DaemonFCcubezzz, I'm not real big on name brand shoesNov 03 03:08
DaemonFCthey tend to wear out just as fast as discount store no namesNov 03 03:08
DaemonFCthey just cost moreNov 03 03:08
cubezzzI used to wear Kodiak boots a lotNov 03 03:09
cubezzzprobably they are made in ChinaNov 03 03:09
cubezzznowadaysNov 03 03:09
DaemonFCcubezzz, I have a few pairs of name brand shoes, one I wear, and a couple pairs for when these wear outNov 03 03:10
DaemonFCcause I can get them from the factory outlet store for like less than halfNov 03 03:10
DaemonFCso I just buy all my shoes like 3-4 pairs at a timeNov 03 03:10
cubezzzshoes are cheaper now than when I was in High SchoolNov 03 03:10
DaemonFCit's hard to find them in my size, so that's why I tend to hoard themNov 03 03:11
DaemonFCIt's really hard to find a 15 EEENov 03 03:11
DaemonFCa lot of discounters like Walmart don't even sell them, but sometimes I can get away with a 14 just cause everyones sizes are differentNov 03 03:12
DaemonFCthose Dr. Scholls size 14 shoes at Walmart fit, I used to get them as work shoesNov 03 03:12
DaemonFCI never buy name brand groceries, personal items, etc.Nov 03 03:14
DaemonFCthose are the biggest scam they haveNov 03 03:14
DaemonFCgreat way to add $80 a month to your grocery bill for no reasonNov 03 03:15
DaemonFCthey make designer everything, it's crazyNov 03 03:15
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oiaohmDaemonFC: I take USA 12.  I do buy some brand shoes but its based on quality.  I wear plasic under my feet to correct my defective feet.Nov 03 03:17
oiaohmSo shoe must be truly solid.Nov 03 03:17
oiaohmA cheep non solid shoe due to feet will be lucky to last 3 months.Nov 03 03:18
DaemonFCoiaohm, Well, I'm a big person, and it's frustrating when they design everything from cars to shoes around the "average" personNov 03 03:18
DaemonFCmakes clothes shopping difficult and driving anything less than a midsize car impossibleNov 03 03:19
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DaemonFCI made the mistake of trying to take an 1600 mile (round) trip in a Dodge NeonNov 03 03:19
oiaohmNext time looking for car look at suzuki .  Yes its strange but they seam to design for the above average person.Nov 03 03:19
DaemonFCthought I'd be clever and rent that real cheapNov 03 03:19
oiaohmWhile cars are insanely small outside.Nov 03 03:20
DaemonFCand I ended up having to spend $50 getting my back adjusted by the chiropractor when I got backNov 03 03:20
oiaohmIe length.Nov 03 03:20
DaemonFCI jsut cannot deal with that againNov 03 03:20
oiaohmI am 6 foot 4Nov 03 03:20
oiaohmI guess you are a bit taller than me DaemonFCNov 03 03:21
DaemonFCsame heightNov 03 03:21
DaemonFCabout 230 poundsNov 03 03:21
oiaohmSo suzuki jimmy would fit you perfectly.Nov 03 03:22
oiaohmAs long as no one is in the back seat.Nov 03 03:22
oiaohmyes its almost half the length of a normal car.Nov 03 03:22
oiaohmI found out about them because was trying to work out why secuirty firms here were using them.   There guards fitted.Nov 03 03:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: if you don't know they would be the last car you would think you could fit in.Nov 03 03:25
DaemonFCoiaohm, Just depends on what's on the lotNov 03 03:26
DaemonFCThey have a lot of FordsNov 03 03:26
DaemonFCI think Ford will definitely outlive GM and Chrysler come to think of itNov 03 03:27
oiaohmThere should be a few GM's over there that fit you great as well.  Holden utes here also fit me great.Nov 03 03:27
DaemonFCthey saw what a shit deal TARP would have been and worked out their own problemsNov 03 03:27
DaemonFClolNov 03 03:27
DaemonFCI wouldn't have a GM car, too many problemsNov 03 03:28
oiaohmThat is right.  I forgot Australia takes the GM engine block and builds the rest.Nov 03 03:29
oiaohmWhat I want is one of the customs.   Half prime mover half ute.Nov 03 03:29
oiaohmV12 engine ute front.  Removable tray to expose a prime mover connection plate.Nov 03 03:30
oiaohmOf course the duel back wheels kinda gives it away.Nov 03 03:31
oiaohmWhat that cannot move is not going to be moved any time soon.Nov 03 03:32
DaemonFCoiaohm, one of Ford's big mistakes was ruining the Taurus SHO '97-'99 and then killing itNov 03 03:32
DaemonFCthey brought it back in '09 thoughNov 03 03:33
oiaohmThat custom is also very fuel effective.Nov 03 03:33
oiaohmIt can shutdown all bar 4 cylinders when the power is not required.Nov 03 03:33
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oiaohmDo you have any groups like that over in the USA DaemonFCNov 03 03:34
oiaohmThat build custom hybreds.Nov 03 03:34
DaemonFCyeah, Ford had something like that in their pickup trucksNov 03 03:35
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Build #USB charger with 9v battery http://ur1.ca/f0g6Nov 03 03:55
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #ZFS adds awesome feature, but #btrfs is still better http://ur1.ca/f0gaNov 03 04:00
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Dell will soon file for bankruptcy http://ur1.ca/f0gnNov 03 04:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interesting October Web Statistics http://ur1.ca/f0rz Linux 15 times the market share of #Vista7 :-pNov 03 07:43
phIRCe-localTitle: Browser and Operating System Report  October 2009 .::. Size~: 25.96 KBNov 03 07:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Win for #GNU #Linux at #VAR Thesaurus http://bit.ly/28wXyDNov 03 07:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Skype Could Appease #FreeSoftware Needs, on #GNU #Linux Only http://bit.ly/3Rf0xHNov 03 07:50
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] Skype To Provide Open-Source Linux Client .::. Size~: 15.71 KBNov 03 07:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Games Like #Quake 3 Runs Fine on #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/f0sdNov 03 08:01
phIRCe-localTitle:   Quake III, HD video demoed on netbooks with GMA 500 graphics, Moblin Linux .::. Size~: 33.13 KBNov 03 08:01
Diablo-D3well duhNov 03 08:01
Diablo-D3quake3 is very low endNov 03 08:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE News and Reviews, New Features http://ur1.ca/f0se http://ur1.ca/f0sf http://ur1.ca/f0sg http://ur1.ca/f0shNov 03 08:03
phIRCe-localTitle: K3B  Free CD/DVD burning tool for KDE Linux .::. Size~: 37.42 KBNov 03 08:03
phIRCe-localTitle: dhaumann: Scripting Kate .::. Size~: 84.31 KBNov 03 08:03
phIRCe-localTitle: 5 System Administration Tools for KDE  Make Tech Easier .::. Size~: 41.34 KBNov 03 08:03
phIRCe-localTitle: KDE makes me feel so platt «  Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 16.61 KBNov 03 08:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distributions #Benchmark Shows Big Performance Difference http://bit.ly/4BISf1Nov 03 08:08
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] CentOS 5.4 vs. OpenSuSE 11.2 vs. Ubuntu 9.10 Benchmarks .::. Size~: 19.24 KBNov 03 08:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sabayon #Linux 5 Received Good #Review http://bit.ly/3oGKboNov 03 08:09
phIRCe-localTitle: Sabayon 5 GNOME review   LinuxBSDos.com .::. Size~: 55.86 KBNov 03 08:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Involves the Users Community http://bit.ly/2rLSFwNov 03 08:12
phIRCe-localTitle: 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0.71 KBNov 03 08:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Package Management Improved Significantly http://ur1.ca/f0sz http://ur1.ca/f0t0Nov 03 08:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10: It Just Works http://ur1.ca/f0t3 http://ur1.ca/f0t4 http://ur1.ca/f0t5Nov 03 08:15
phIRCe-localTitle: Ubuntu Karmic Koala NBR on Asus EEE 901 .::. Size~: 11.76 KBNov 03 08:15
phIRCe-localTitle:   » I did the deed (yet again)  Ubuntu Musings .::. Size~: 6.48 KBNov 03 08:15
phIRCe-localTitle: Ubuntu 9.10  First Impressions | Joseph Brower .::. Size~: 22.27 KBNov 03 08:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Many #Variants of #Ubuntu 9.10 http://ur1.ca/eysh http://ur1.ca/f0tg http://ur1.ca/f0thNov 03 08:25
phIRCe-localTitle: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 81.98 KBNov 03 08:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Kubuntu 9.10  Karmic Koala «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 46.7 KBNov 03 08:25
phIRCe-localTitle: New Ubuntu appliances from TurnKey - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 29.1 KBNov 03 08:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] People have weird ideas about aviation. Landing on a taxiway is indeed more dangerous than being distracted by laptops: http://bit.ly/1KDIfANov 03 08:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #FreeSoftware Managing to Sell at Less Than Free (Android) http://ur1.ca/f0tkNov 03 08:28
phIRCe-localTitle: The Less Than Free Business Model | Beyond The Beyond .::. Size~: 61.06 KBNov 03 08:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Multicore #Linux #Phones Are Coming http://bit.ly/1wAaroNov 03 08:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS Sub-notebooks to Run #GNU #Linux (Because "It's Better with Linux") http://ur1.ca/f0tpNov 03 08:30
phIRCe-localTitle: Asus to Launch Android-based Smartbook Next Year - Tom's Hardware .::. Size~: 85.48 KBNov 03 08:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i was v pleased that 9.10 Just Worked on this Portege R600 - lotsa web reports of problems even up to 9.04. but flawless so farNov 03 08:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #FreeSoftware in #Science http://ur1.ca/f0ua http://ur1.ca/f0uc http://ur1.ca/f0ueNov 03 08:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Open Source Science? Or Distributed Science? : Common Knowledge .::. Size~: 52.03 KBNov 03 08:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Citizen Economists » Relentless Advance Of Technology .::. Size~: 60.07 KBNov 03 08:47
phIRCe-localTitle: NREL Releases Open-Source Live Solar Mapping Project: Scientific American .::. Size~: 90.49 KBNov 03 08:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i am deeply cynical of skype only opensourcing the unimportant bit. cf. helix player. it's another way to be pseudo-open.Nov 03 08:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Personal Stories from #Google Summer of Code and #FSFE http://ur1.ca/f0uf http://ur1.ca/en4cNov 03 08:48
phIRCe-localTitle:  Fellowship Interviews .::. Size~: 163.27 KBNov 03 08:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Presentation About #Apache Progress http://ur1.ca/f0ulNov 03 08:49
phIRCe-localTitle: 11 Apache Technologies that Have Changed Computing in the Last 10 Years .::. Size~: 57.06 KBNov 03 08:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SirsiDynix Learns That Dissing #FreeSoftware Leads to Huge #Disaster http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6704622.htmlNov 03 08:51
phIRCe-localTitle: SirsiDynix Report on Open Source: Promoting Debate or Sowing Fear? - 10/30/2009 - Library Journal .::. Size~: 98.6 KBNov 03 08:51
Diablo-D3lets see how the bot handles the recycle symbol for retweetsNov 03 08:54
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: #SirsiDynix Learns That Dissing #FreeSoftware Leads to Huge #Disaster http://ur1.ca/f0uqNov 03 08:55
phIRCe-localTitle: SirsiDynix Report on Open Source: Promoting Debate or Sowing Fear? - 10/30/2009 - Library Journal .::. Size~: 98.6 KBNov 03 08:55
Diablo-D3lol it did itNov 03 08:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #India Puts #FreeSoftware in #Schools , Gets #GSOC Help http://ur1.ca/f0ux http://ur1.ca/f0uyNov 03 08:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz android is *not* GNU/Linux. It's barely Linux.Nov 03 08:57
phIRCe-localTitle: BHU among top-10 in Google Summer of Code - Varanasi - City - The Times of India .::. Size~: 47.88 KBNov 03 08:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Proving Disruptive, #Qualcomm Explains Why it Joined http://ur1.ca/f0v0 http://ur1.ca/f0v2Nov 03 08:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Chauvinist's Code Saved by Feminists http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28971/1090/ #FreeSoftwareNov 03 08:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GoogleWave in Review - First Impressions http://www.daniweb.com/news/story235180.htmlNov 03 09:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF and #GPL Licensing Under Attack? Good! It Means It's Winning http://bit.ly/Ui7LnNov 03 09:07
phIRCe-localTitle:   Attacks on GPL suggest it is winning .::. Size~: 14.93 KBNov 03 09:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org 3.2.0 Has New Build, Big Plans http://ur1.ca/f0vd http://ur1.ca/f0veNov 03 09:08
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phIRCe-localTitle: Build Scalability - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 62.73 KBNov 03 09:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CRM and #ERP Increasingly Lean Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/f0vpNov 03 09:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox 3.6 Already in Beta http://ur1.ca/f0vv http://ur1.ca/f0vw http://ur1.ca/f0vy http://ur1.ca/f0vzNov 03 09:12
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phIRCe-localTitle: Mozilla releases Firefox 3.6 Beta 1 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.32 KBNov 03 09:12
phIRCe-localTitle: Mozilla unveils first Firefox 3.6 beta - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 37.46 KBNov 03 09:12
phIRCe-localTitle: Web Open Font Format backed by Mozilla, type foundries - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 52.43 KBNov 03 09:12
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: #CRM and #ERP Increasingly Lean Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/f0vpNov 03 09:15
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Data Manager 0.4.0 Released, #lddsafe Born http://ur1.ca/f0wd http://ur1.ca/f0weNov 03 09:18
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phIRCe-localTitle: New tiny project: lddsafe « 503 Service Unavailable .::. Size~: 18.59 KBNov 03 09:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Erosion of #HumanRights Now Affecting E-mail http://ur1.ca/f0wiNov 03 09:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tim Berners-Lee Goes to #Linux User Group http://allafrica.com/stories/200910290303.html #lugNov 03 09:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] WWW Goes International, Finally http://bit.ly/1Yp1ujNov 03 09:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Obama Pressured to Expose the ' #Acta Mafia' http://bit.ly/hvLjqNov 03 09:20
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phIRCe-localTitle: Petition to Obama government to disclose secret copyright treaty - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 59.95 KBNov 03 09:20
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: #India Puts #FreeSoftware in #Schools , Gets #GSOC Help http://ur1.ca/f0ux http://ur1.ca/f0uyNov 03 09:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK #Government Slammed by European Commission for #Phorm Offences http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8337685.stmNov 03 09:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Press Angry at Mandy/Hollywood Law; Lawsuits May Come Against It http://ur1.ca/f0wx http://ur1.ca/f0wyNov 03 09:29
phIRCe-localTitle: My Times editorial on British plan to cut relatives of accused infringers off from the net - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 63.51 KBNov 03 09:29
phIRCe-localTitle: TalkTalk to fight net disconnection plan • The Register .::. Size~: 29.86 KBNov 03 09:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Vista : Numero Uno http://bit.ly/2EEh3LNov 03 09:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pay-to-Say #GangsterGroup Look to Appease #FreeSoftware Community http://bit.ly/3iGoH0Nov 03 09:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Twitter Rather Unsafe for Windows Users, #Conficker Abound http://ur1.ca/f0xl http://ur1.ca/f0xnNov 03 09:35
phIRCe-localTitle: Trick or Tweet? Malware Abundant in Twitter URLs | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 72.36 KBNov 03 09:35
phIRCe-localTitle: Conficker, Still Infecting Windows Machines a Year Later, Remains an Enigma .::. Size~: 111.14 KBNov 03 09:35
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1560558/hector-ruiz-quits-global-foundriesNov 03 09:38
schestowitz"It is alleged that, based on Hector's inside information, a fund manager at New Castle Partners, who also is alleged to have then shared the information with the hedge fund Galleon Group, went on a share-buying spree, purchasing under-valued AMD shares and subsequently profiting when AMD's share price rose in anticipation of the Global Foundries spin-off."Nov 03 09:38
schestowitzAMD moves to the east.... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1560498/amd-butters-arabsNov 03 09:40
schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/where-is-the-cyber-czar/?cs=37178Nov 03 09:43
phIRCe-localTitle: Where Is the Cyber Czar? | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 79.95 KBNov 03 09:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] So it's apparently confirmed that Skype for GNU/Linux will satisfy FOSSers http://bit.ly/2aCp5JNov 03 09:49
phIRCe-localTitle: Skype for Linux set for open source • The Register .::. Size~: 28.43 KBNov 03 09:49
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/02/sia_november_2009/Nov 03 09:50
phIRCe-localTitle: Chip sales upgrade from terrible to bad • The Register .::. Size~: 28.45 KBNov 03 09:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard indeed.Nov 03 09:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard my bad. I thought ASUS had picked a generic distroNov 03 09:57
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cubezzzhmmm google crawled some text files I had no links toNov 03 10:19
cubezzzyou know about this one Roy:Nov 03 10:23
cubezzzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/26/microsoft_archive_goes_torrent/Nov 03 10:23
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft's 'dirty tricks' archive turns into hot Torrent • The Register .::. Size~: 28.76 KBNov 03 10:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Obama continues Bush policy of "state secrets" that he criticised as a candidate, issues rare press release amid scrutiny http://ur1.ca/f0zpNov 03 10:28
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cubezzzReiser vs. Microsoft seems to have disappeared Nov 03 10:30
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cubezzzok, you probably have it on BN Nov 03 10:38
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, I have all those docsNov 03 10:39
schestowitzThe files came from GrouchyNov 03 10:39
schestowitzHe downloaded them all by modem before the site closed its doorNov 03 10:39
schestowitzThank goodness for that...Nov 03 10:39
cubezzzschestowitz, even the google cache seems to have disappearedNov 03 10:40
cubezzzthere is some sort of torrent 2.7 gigs in size, but I can't find itNov 03 10:40
cubezzzI'll just read what you gotNov 03 10:41
cubezzz"The ipod will drive people away from wmp"Nov 03 10:42
cubezzzlolNov 03 10:42
cubezzzI wonder how they like mplayer thenNov 03 10:42
cubezzzoops, highly confidental stuff hereNov 03 10:44
cubezzzheh heh hehNov 03 10:44
cubezzzsome of the stuff in there is quite oldNov 03 10:47
cubezzz1990Nov 03 10:47
cubezzzand they actually use the word FUD right in their emailsNov 03 10:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After my visit my Mr Manga and his no argument, Ive picked up a manga follower. Are you sure? Fine, all are welcome.Nov 03 11:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After my visit by Mr Manga and his no argument, Ive picked up a manga follower. Are you sure? Fine, all are welcome.Nov 03 11:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Apparently Im ignorant although my detractor won't explain how. Please let me know, I'll make an article on it.Nov 03 11:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 — Just Like #Vista — Incompatible with Vital Services http://ping.fm/Zh0SiNov 03 11:14
phIRCe-localTitle: Vista 7  Just Like Vista  Incompatible with Vital Services | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.11 KBNov 03 11:14
schestowitzcubezzz: it's in edge-op, slated.org, and gotthefactsNov 03 11:14
schestowitzDon't worry, we have all the docs mirrored online in many places (as contingencies)Nov 03 11:14
schestowitzcubezzz: are you willing to go through some more docs and find smoking guns?Nov 03 11:15
schestowitzThat would helpNov 03 11:15
cubezzzwell it just seems that Microsoft view almost everyone as an enemyNov 03 11:19
cubezzzthey are worse than standard oilNov 03 11:19
_goblinThe faithful are not liking the KDE review and the writing about Ubuntu...Nov 03 11:21
_goblinIve had some of the most silly counters to what is only a review of a Linux distro.Nov 03 11:21
_goblinSurprising...even the Balmer=Voldemort article didn't get this sort of attack....Nov 03 11:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Is it a full moon tonight? Seems like the perpetually baffled are out in force today. http://twitter.com/_____CNov 03 11:27
phIRCe-localTitle: Roger Kirchwood (_____C) on Twitter .::. Size~: 26.85 KBNov 03 11:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Moving on to more interesting subjects...a whole world of Google Wave has been opened up to me now I have the time to look properly.Nov 03 11:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What #Gartner Needs to Do to Earn Trust http://ping.fm/F4ELe #corruptionNov 03 11:49
phIRCe-localTitle: What Gartner Needs to Do to Earn Trust | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.35 KBNov 03 11:49
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schestowitz_goblin: KDE4 scares MicrosoftNov 03 12:16
schestowitzThey don't attack GNOME as muchNov 03 12:16
schestowitzGNOME is a .NET ramp to someNov 03 12:16
_goblinTrueNov 03 12:19
_goblinand Im off again....Nov 03 12:19
_goblinbbl...Nov 03 12:19
_goblintake care all....Nov 03 12:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, Im off down town now....BBL happy people!Nov 03 12:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #European #Interoperability Framework ( #EIF ) Corrupted by #Microsoft et al, Its #Lobbyists http://ping.fm/LwshlNov 03 12:26
phIRCe-localTitle: European Interoperability Framework (EIF) Corrupted by Microsoft et al, Its Lobbyists | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.92 KBNov 03 12:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @freepress FCC Fine Print Could Undermine an Open Internet http://bit.ly/3wxCAM #NetNeutralityNov 03 12:33
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schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/21/apple-fans-respond-to-the-droid-does-advertising-campaignNov 03 12:58
phIRCe-localTitle: Apple Fans Respond To The "Droid Does" Advertising Campaign | WebProNews .::. Size~: 33.57 KBNov 03 12:58
schestowitzIt's such a weird notionNov 03 12:58
schestowitz"Apple fans"Nov 03 12:59
schestowitzYou can be an APple employeeNov 03 12:59
schestowitzYou can be an Apple contractorNov 03 12:59
schestowitzBut fan?Nov 03 12:59
schestowitzCan you imagine "GM fans"?Nov 03 12:59
schestowitz"Enron fans"Nov 03 12:59
schestowitz"SAP fan"Nov 03 12:59
Diablo-D3there are GM fansNov 03 12:59
schestowitzI knowNov 03 12:59
schestowitzThey are also called retardsNov 03 12:59
Diablo-D3noNov 03 12:59
schestowitz:-pNov 03 12:59
Diablo-D3GM owns some sports car brandNov 03 12:59
Diablo-D3but I forget whichNov 03 12:59
schestowitzEither way, they just help some billionaires get richerNov 03 13:00
schestowitzFans....Nov 03 13:00
schestowitzThere I was thinking you can admire celebs and athletes...Nov 03 13:00
fewa_GM bailout is a messNov 03 13:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #SoftwarePatents Racket Against #GNU #Linux Tightens Further http://ping.fm/sr7R4 #swpat #xandrosNov 03 13:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ABC, not Bloomberg CNN AP, cover NSA dragnet spying cases when reporting white house PR about them http://ur1.ca/f0zp http://ur1.ca/f104Nov 03 13:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ABC, not Bloomberg CNN AP, covers NSA dragnet spying cases when reporting white house PR about them http://ur1.ca/f0zp http://ur1.ca/f104Nov 03 13:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s #PR Director and #Marketing Chief Both Send the Wrong Message http://ping.fm/ivqbk #suseNov 03 13:43
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schestowitzHere's one mentioned here last week: http://techdirt.com/articles/20091030/0433306737.shtmlNov 03 13:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/31/teens-sue-school-over-pun_n_340844.htmlNov 03 13:51
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schestowitzBarrack Obush? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/30/AR2009103003535.htmlNov 03 13:54
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MinceRBarorge W. Obush?Nov 03 13:55
schestowitzhttp://cyb3rcrim3.blogspot.com/2009/10/jurors-use-prosecutors-laptop.htmlNov 03 13:57
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schestowitzMinceR: same policies in many areas, stillNov 03 13:57
schestowitzMany people still see the ACTA without it being leakedNov 03 13:57
MinceRindeedNov 03 13:57
schestowitz!google obama actaNov 03 13:57
phIRCe-local[1] - texts for nothing : Obama, ACTA, and government by secrecy | http://textsfornothing.com/blog/2009/03/12/obama-acta-and-government-by-secrecy/Nov 03 13:57
phIRCe-local[2] - Obama administration won't release secret ACTA docs either - Ars ... | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/were-not-releasing-acta-docs-says-us-again.arsNov 03 13:57
phIRCe-local[3] - Remember that ACTA treaty Obama said was too confidential to ... | http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/84m4w/remember_that_acta_treaty_obama_said_was_too/Nov 03 13:57
phIRCe-local[4] - Copyright treaty is classified for 'national security' | Politics ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10195547-38.htmlNov 03 13:57
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schestowitzYeah, copyrights and patents are now national security...Nov 03 13:58
schestowitzSecurity for the income of Hollywood and others who fund both partiesNov 03 13:58
schestowitzThere's room for lots of satire here. For example, "US president denies disclosure of expenses at restaurant for "national security""Nov 03 14:00
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schestowitzhttp://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/11/skype_open_source.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeedNov 03 14:06
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schestowitzIllicit Filesharing – Ben BradshawNov 03 14:08
schestowitzhttp://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/19/poles-politeness-and-politics-in-the-age-of-twitter/Nov 03 14:12
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schestowitzhttp://www.mysociety.org/2009/10/30/dcsf-reject-foi-health-safety/Nov 03 14:15
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schestowitzhttp://homembit.com/2009/10/openxml-what-i-havent-told-yet-about-the-brm.html#commentsJesper Lund Stocholm   jumps in to defend the Brown bag. Nov 03 14:20
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schestowitzStephane Rodriguez  ; "That someone such as Brown and other assholes defend the position that the meetings were not the good place for making sure the mapping would be provided is disingenuous at best."Nov 03 14:22
schestowitz"Fuclking assholes. In 1942 Brown would we shoot for collaboration with the ennemy."Nov 03 14:22
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fewa_https://ecf.nyed.uscourts.gov/Nov 03 14:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 14:33
schestowitzhttp://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/01/four-years-after-founding-kiva-hits-100-million-in-microloans/Nov 03 14:33
fewa_wtf, worthless botNov 03 14:33
phIRCe-localTitle:   Four Years After Founding, Kiva Hits $100 Million In Microloans  .::. Size~: 87.45 KBNov 03 14:33
schestowitzWorks OKNov 03 14:34
fewa_yes, but why couldnt it parse that urlNov 03 14:34
fewa_no support for tls?Nov 03 14:34
fewa_ /httpsNov 03 14:34
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schestowitzSacked drugs adviser accuses Gordon Brown of meddling in cannabis decision < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/31/david-nutt-drugs-adviser-sacked >Nov 03 14:36
schestowitzWhat a nutter :-)Nov 03 14:36
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schestowitzfewa_: trmanco knows his codeNov 03 14:37
trmancohttp://ecf.nyed.uscourts.gov/Nov 03 14:37
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 14:37
trmancoI dunnoNov 03 14:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, Apple insiders say that Apple's tablet won't run on Intel's Atom because they were "unimpressed" by the performanceNov 03 14:38
fewa_where is the code againNov 03 14:38
fewa_bitbucketNov 03 14:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, Windowsw 7 netbooks now marketed to kids at WalmartNov 03 14:39
DaemonFCthey have cartoon characters on them like SpongebobNov 03 14:39
DaemonFCnetbooks are a toy, I wondered how long it would take them to do thisNov 03 14:40
_Hicham_huh, did they give u one for free ?Nov 03 14:40
fewa_lol what a horrible thing for a kidNov 03 14:41
fewa_they get a virus and then their uselessNov 03 14:41
DaemonFC_Hicham_, Why would I take it?Nov 03 14:41
DaemonFCan underpowered system with only 1 GB of RAM?Nov 03 14:41
DaemonFCthese netbooks are about equally powerful to my budget laptop from 2004Nov 03 14:42
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DaemonFCthe biggest difference is they get another hour of battery life but have no disc drive, and the screen is half the sizeNov 03 14:43
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DaemonFCI'm surprised they even run Windows 7 at allNov 03 14:43
DaemonFChttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1050767/linux-overtaken-hackintoshNov 03 14:44
schestowitzhttp://ntouk.com/?view=plink&id=443Nov 03 14:44
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phIRCe-localTitle: ntouk - Jerry Fishenden's new technology observations from a UK perspective .::. Size~: 18.59 KBNov 03 14:44
schestowitzDaemonFC: a computer where you can't change the wallpaper is a toyNov 03 14:45
schestowitzBut if you put something decent on it.........Nov 03 14:46
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DaemonFCschestowitz, A computer that's 6 years obsolete when it's brnd new is a toyNov 03 14:46
schestowitzAs for Apple, they have phat softwareNov 03 14:46
schestowitzApple would just cannibalise Mac salesNov 03 14:46
schestowitzLet them do it :-)Nov 03 14:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, Why would you say that?Nov 03 14:47
DaemonFCthe tablet would run OS XNov 03 14:47
schestowitzYou needn't cite fake statsNov 03 14:47
schestowitzhttp://ntouk.com/?view=plink&id=443Nov 03 14:48
phIRCe-localTitle: ntouk - Jerry Fishenden's new technology observations from a UK perspective .::. Size~: 18.59 KBNov 03 14:48
DaemonFCI don't know that anyone uses an underpowered gadget with a small screen as a primary PCNov 03 14:48
schestowitz"It's somewhat ironic that the Home Office is currently advertising for a new Chief Scientific Advisor given the continuing row over the decision to sack the UK's chief drugs advisor. I wonder how long the queue of applicants will be?"Nov 03 14:48
schestowitzThey didn't get the opinion they wantedNov 03 14:48
DaemonFCnetbooks are a fad, I fully expect that they'll be forgotten in another yearNov 03 14:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: depends on priceNov 03 14:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: hahaha.Nov 03 14:49
schestowitzIgnore the factsNov 03 14:49
DaemonFCand in the PC World list of "25 worst tech products" within 2 yearsNov 03 14:49
schestowitzPC are becoming netbooks http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1560574/pc-netbooksNov 03 14:49
schestowitzThat's from todayNov 03 14:49
schestowitzNetbooks are not for YOUNov 03 14:49
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't see it happeningNov 03 14:49
schestowitzCause you do computer stuff professionallyNov 03 14:49
DaemonFCat least not hereNov 03 14:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: it IS happeningNov 03 14:49
schestowitzWatch # of salesNov 03 14:49
schestowitzMicrosoft loses its pants in thisNov 03 14:50
schestowitzNow they try to upsell a Vista7 one can actually useNov 03 14:50
DaemonFCyeah, but how many of those are primary PCs? (Not many I'd assume), and How many customers will regret it and never buy another one? (A lot no doubt)Nov 03 14:50
DaemonFCIt's just a gut feeling that the netbook will surge and then immediately fall over and dieNov 03 14:50
DaemonFCit's just too high priced for what it can doNov 03 14:51
DaemonFCit's within $100 of a real laptop that's 7-8 times faster with 3-4 times the RAMNov 03 14:51
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DaemonFCwhy would you pay steak prices for a gas station hot dog?Nov 03 14:51
DaemonFCThat's what I'm getting atNov 03 14:52
schestowitzLAMO!! http://www.boardofinnovation.com/2009/11/02/deepdyve-renting-scientific-articles/Nov 03 14:52
phIRCe-localTitle: The Board Of Innovation  » Blog Archive   » DeepDyve, renting scientific articles .::. Size~: 21.07 KBNov 03 14:52
schestowitzRenting knowledgeNov 03 14:52
schestowitzLike it's a carNov 03 14:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, Netbook prices now start at around $350-$450 at most retailers, with $350 being the uber shitty model of courseNov 03 14:53
DaemonFCand a real laptop is maybe $500Nov 03 14:53
schestowitzNopeNov 03 14:53
schestowitzThat's because you don't see ARMSNov 03 14:53
DaemonFCand for that you get a fast 64-bit dual core CPUNov 03 14:53
DaemonFCand 4 gigs of RAMNov 03 14:53
schestowitzARMs would cost less than $200Nov 03 14:53
schestowitzAndroid mostly... or Chrome OS when it arrivesNov 03 14:53
DaemonFCChrome-colored vapor?Nov 03 14:53
DaemonFC:DNov 03 14:53
DaemonFCpromotion of fog computingNov 03 14:54
Diablo-D3bwahahaNov 03 14:54
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DaemonFCWindows Azure won't go anywhere, Google stands a chance with their fog computing crap, but that's still scaryNov 03 14:55
DaemonFCUbuntu is quickly trying to figure out whose fog cloud they want to be in and how to get thereNov 03 14:55
DaemonFCThe netbook device is basically a sham built around the fog computing mythNov 03 14:57
schestowitzhttp://xkcd.com/657/Nov 03 14:58
phIRCe-localTitle: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe .::. Size~: 8.58 KBNov 03 14:58
fewa_It has to be an web designed, open APINov 03 14:58
DaemonFCthey can sell you old technology that costs next to nothing to makeNov 03 14:58
DaemonFC"Cause you can do all this shit in your web browser"Nov 03 14:58
fewa_or it just wont be widely acceptedNov 03 14:58
fewa_aka HTTPNov 03 14:58
fewa_it already existsNov 03 14:58
DaemonFC"Don't worry that the computer is shit"Nov 03 14:58
MinceRDaemonFC: fyi, you're wrongNov 03 15:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Clearing oasis trees felled ancient Peru civilisation - http://bit.ly/jFbej now, why does this remind me of something? #peruNov 03 15:05
phIRCe-localTitle: Clearing oasis trees felled ancient Peru civilisation - environment - 02 November 2009 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 72.74 KBNov 03 15:05
schestowitzhttp://www.euractiv.com/en/science/eu-attracting-biobank-research-us/article-186956Nov 03 15:07
phIRCe-localTitle: EurActiv.com - EU attracting biobank research from US | EU - European Information on Science & Research .::. Size~: 47.09 KBNov 03 15:07
schestowitzMinceR: motor-mouth would go on forever if you engage in a debate :-DNov 03 15:08
MinceRso i won'tNov 03 15:08
schestowitzI disagree and can't be bother arguing anymoreNov 03 15:08
schestowitz*botheredNov 03 15:08
schestowitzCause, y'know, netbooks means Web browser *rolls eyes*Nov 03 15:09
MinceR:)Nov 03 15:09
schestowitzUnder NO circumstance run Abiword or GIMP on an Atom or Freescale chipsetNov 03 15:09
schestowitzIt will explodeNov 03 15:09
MinceRor any ssh clientNov 03 15:09
schestowitz!google sony explodingNov 03 15:09
phIRCe-local[1] - A Case of Exploding Mangoes by Mohammed Hanif :: The eBook Store ... | http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/mohammed-hanif/a-case-of-exploding-mangoes/_/R-400000000000000083810Nov 03 15:09
phIRCe-local[2] - Sony Exploding Batteries - The Chronicles - 1 year of accidents ... | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sony-Exploding-Batteries-Chronicles-37848.shtmlNov 03 15:09
phIRCe-local[3] - Sony: Exploding note | Ads of the World | http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/sony_exploding_note%3Fsize%3D_originalNov 03 15:09
phIRCe-local[4] - Apple in trouble with Japan over Sony's exploding batteries | http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/29/apple-in-trouble-with-japan-over-sonys-exploding-batteries/Nov 03 15:09
MinceRor any imap clientNov 03 15:10
MinceRgods forbid an audio player :>Nov 03 15:10
schestowitzOnly via the 'cloud'Nov 03 15:10
schestowitzStreamed to youNov 03 15:10
schestowitzPut your music collection where Big Bogggggol keeps its stashNov 03 15:10
schestowitzBTW:Nov 03 15:10
schestowitzhttp://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1518Nov 03 15:11
phIRCe-localTitle: Christopher Blizzard · bringing theora to youtube (the hard way) .::. Size~: 67.48 KBNov 03 15:11
schestowitzThis is excitingNov 03 15:11
schestowitzI wonder how many people will notice itNov 03 15:11
schestowitzIt's CPU-greedyNov 03 15:11
schestowitzGoogle still thinks you use FlashNov 03 15:11
schestowitzgnutube!Nov 03 15:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] gnutube is finally here! http://ping.fm/mKOGO YouTube without the blobs and complexityNov 03 15:13
phIRCe-localTitle: Christopher Blizzard · bringing theora to youtube (the hard way) .::. Size~: 67.48 KBNov 03 15:13
MinceRit would be nice if clive did viddlerNov 03 15:14
schestowitzMinceR: this one is not unixyNov 03 15:14
schestowitzIf some workplace is worried about flash holes, the admins could set it up such that flash is never installedNov 03 15:15
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8338946.stmNov 03 15:15
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schestowitzNokia kills service: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8338476.stmNov 03 15:18
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #VIA #Nano 3000 series is finally out http://ur1.ca/f1irNov 03 15:25
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What a nice project name, Epidermis http://ping.fm/hxePxNov 03 15:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Very few people have pointed out the fact that the press lost interest in #Vista7 faster than #VIsta circa 2007Nov 03 15:50
schestowitzMainstream press review pretends Linux is about price. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/review-ubuntu-910-first-look/article1348084/Nov 03 15:53
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schestowitzGiven Clarke shows his real face http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/Nov 03 15:55
phIRCe-localTitle: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala • The Register .::. Size~: 32.27 KBNov 03 15:55
schestowitzcheesy=mutex=CPE-58-165-164-66.nsw.bigpond.net.auNov 03 15:55
schestowitzLeft an abusive comments in BN as well last nightNov 03 15:55
*zer0c00l` is now known as zer0c00l|AwayNov 03 15:57
schestowitz"@schestowitz The material is useless now. It has zero bearing on how the company operates in the present." http://twitter.com/jperlow/statuses/5393416995Nov 03 15:59
phIRCe-localTitle: Twitter / Jason Perlow: @schestowitz The material  ... .::. Size~: 9.97 KBNov 03 15:59
schestowitzHeh.Nov 03 16:00
*BRBT_ is now known as BalrogNov 03 16:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, Apparently Caterpiller is bouncing backNov 03 16:02
DaemonFCthey said they would call my dad back when business picked upNov 03 16:02
DaemonFChopefully he can get back to work there and get out of ChicagoNov 03 16:02
DaemonFCright now he has to keep an apartment in Chicago, which is almost 200 miles from his home, so he can break even working full time thereNov 03 16:03
fewa_caterpiller is one of the most anti-union companies out thereNov 03 16:03
DaemonFCjust to keep health insurance cause his pills and my step-mom's pills alone cost over $1,500 a monthNov 03 16:03
fewa_brought in scabsNov 03 16:03
schestowitzfewa_: yes, SANov 03 16:03
schestowitzI heard Chomsky talk about itNov 03 16:03
fewa_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.#Labor_problemsNov 03 16:04
phIRCe-localTitle: Caterpillar Inc. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 171.71 KBNov 03 16:04
DaemonFCfewa_, Every company is anti-union by natureNov 03 16:04
schestowitzBut RMS has an issues with the bulldozerNov 03 16:04
fewa_massively broke the lawNov 03 16:04
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schestowitzDaemonFC's dad helps demolish homes ;-)Nov 03 16:04
DaemonFCfewa_, So? That's not unusualNov 03 16:04
fewa_and the executive turned the other cheekNov 03 16:04
schestowitz[16:04] <DaemonFC> fewa_, Every company is anti-union by natureNov 03 16:04
schestowitzThe "they too" defenceNov 03 16:04
fewa_no, but they are one of the worstNov 03 16:04
fewa_schestowitz, and its not trueNov 03 16:04
schestowitzMicrosoft: "all OSes are not secure"Nov 03 16:04
fewa_there are democratic companiesNov 03 16:04
DaemonFCDon't blame the criminals who find loopholes in the law or don't think the penalties are harsh enough to worry about, fewa_ Nov 03 16:04
fewa_totally run democraticallyNov 03 16:04
schestowitzMicrosoft: "Google is EVIL TOO!!!1"|Nov 03 16:04
DaemonFCblame the politicians who write weak laws, or no law at allNov 03 16:05
fewa_Capitalism, a love story I believes goes into thisNov 03 16:05
fewa_I havn't watched it, but have watched the interviewsNov 03 16:05
fewa_there are democratic modelsNov 03 16:05
DaemonFCfewa_, If the penalty for breaking the law is a slap on the wrist, companies will break that law day in and day out without a second thoughtNov 03 16:05
DaemonFCit's a cost of doing businessNov 03 16:05
fewa_in fact corporations have a very week democratic modelNov 03 16:05
DaemonFCjust like the electic billNov 03 16:05
fewa_they often elect the board of directorsNov 03 16:05
schestowitzHeh.Nov 03 16:06
schestowitzOr they elect themselvesNov 03 16:06
fewa_its apartaid, certain stockholders have disproportionate votesNov 03 16:06
schestowitzSee Icahn and his fellow crooksNov 03 16:06
schestowitzThey took over the boardNov 03 16:06
schestowitzAt least 2 of themNov 03 16:06
fewa_ie GOogle, Class A 10 votes, Class B 1 voteNov 03 16:06
fewa_but still, its not impossibleNov 03 16:06
schestowitzCarl CaponicahnNov 03 16:06
DaemonFCfewa_, You should take the Labor Relations training that Walmart management getsNov 03 16:06
fewa_it has very much been doneNov 03 16:06
fewa_even in the United StatesNov 03 16:06
fewa_look at historuyNov 03 16:06
DaemonFCnot only do they have videos and computer training modules on itNov 03 16:06
fewa_in the 1850s this sort of thing was commonplaceNov 03 16:07
fewa_the Lowell girlsNov 03 16:07
DaemonFCthey take you and have an 8 hour meeting on how to bust unionsNov 03 16:07
schestowitzCall the police, have them bust up wal-martNov 03 16:07
fewa_http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Target_Employee_Free_Choice_Act_anti-union_memos,_Aug_2009Nov 03 16:07
phIRCe-localTitle: Target Employee Free Choice Act anti-union memos, Aug 2009 - Wikileaks .::. Size~: 18 KBNov 03 16:07
DaemonFCthey take you in a group of other management trainees out to a "retreat", around this area, it's Hilger's Farm MarketNov 03 16:07
DaemonFCand you have an all day meeting that keeps going through lunchNov 03 16:08
DaemonFClolNov 03 16:08
fewa_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowell_Mill_GirlsNov 03 16:08
phIRCe-localTitle: Lowell Mill Girls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 56.72 KBNov 03 16:08
DaemonFCWalmart has a 1-800 number for managers to call if they suspect union organizers are aroundNov 03 16:08
DaemonFCit's just a recording that asks you to leave your name, job title, the facility you work at, and a description of what is going onNov 03 16:09
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DaemonFCthen if it's serious enough, they fly out a group of professional union busters and hold "meetings" to give the employees the "facts" on unionsNov 03 16:09
fewa_"lies"Nov 03 16:09
DaemonFCthey pass out buttons and t-shirts that say "We can speak for ourselves"Nov 03 16:09
DaemonFCit's a three ring circusNov 03 16:10
fewa_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPgCzt6BRoNov 03 16:10
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube - AFL-CIO Employee Free Choice Act NOW .::. Size~: 131.37 KBNov 03 16:10
fewa_ie Home Improvement CEO lying about the EFCANov 03 16:10
DaemonFCfewa_, Service sector unions are weak anywayNov 03 16:11
DaemonFCthey take a weak contract that stipulates how they get paidNov 03 16:11
DaemonFCthen they tend to fuck over the employeesNov 03 16:11
fewa_employees can opt out of union duesNov 03 16:11
DaemonFCno they can'tNov 03 16:11
fewa_they can pay them to a non-profit insteadNov 03 16:11
fewa_any 501(c)(3) non-profitNov 03 16:12
DaemonFCyeah, that can still be $20 of their check each weekNov 03 16:12
DaemonFCand they're not guaranteed to get a raise or benefit increase because the union is thereNov 03 16:12
schestowitziphones owned vNov 03 16:12
DaemonFCso they could end up making even less than they already doNov 03 16:12
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/iphone_hack/Nov 03 16:12
phIRCe-localTitle: Extortionist targets jailbroken iPhones • The Register .::. Size~: 27.56 KBNov 03 16:12
DaemonFCunions can't promise you anything, all they can do is negotiateNov 03 16:12
DaemonFCand they usually stop negotiating once they know they'll get to take your moneyNov 03 16:13
fewa_what can you do as an employee?Nov 03 16:13
schestowitzThat's s startNov 03 16:13
DaemonFCas a payroll deductionNov 03 16:13
fewa_negotiate?Nov 03 16:13
DaemonFCbefore you even see your checkNov 03 16:13
fewa_if you are organized you have more leverageNov 03 16:13
fewa_clear and simplyNov 03 16:13
DaemonFCno you don'tNov 03 16:13
DaemonFCyou have more leverage by having more skillNov 03 16:13
schestowitzThey keep them "helpless and isolated," as RMS puts itNov 03 16:13
DaemonFCunions don't give you job security if you're just doing a job that anyone can doNov 03 16:13
schestowitzLike lone sheepNov 03 16:13
fewa_you are full of defeatism and suicidal tenanciesNov 03 16:13
schestowitzPoliticians do the sameNov 03 16:13
DaemonFCunions are only effective under two conditions, (1) Protectionism like in the case of GM before all the free trade lawsNov 03 16:14
DaemonFC(2) You're a SKILLED laborerNov 03 16:14
DaemonFCneither of those really apply to WalmartNov 03 16:14
DaemonFCthey would likely get stuck with $20 a week or so coming out of their check before they get paidNov 03 16:14
DaemonFCand not a lot elseNov 03 16:14
schestowitzWal-mart is largely wage slaverNov 03 16:14
fewa_<schestowitz> Wal-mart is largely wage slaverNov 03 16:15
fewa_yesNov 03 16:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, Most unions representing unskilled labor are either just skimming off the top, or a yellow union that's really working for the companyNov 03 16:15
DaemonFCand playing both sides down the middleNov 03 16:15
DaemonFCyou're not necessarily going to see any net gain in your wages or benefits from a unionNov 03 16:16
schestowitzThey say the 'recession' is over... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/nokia_siemens/Nov 03 16:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Nokia Siemens Networks to slash almost 6,000 jobs • The Register .::. Size~: 28.06 KBNov 03 16:16
DaemonFCwhat you will get from a union, for sure, is payroll-deducted weekly union feesNov 03 16:16
DaemonFCI've worked in a union before, it was a jokeNov 03 16:16
schestowitzThe only rule applying to wal-mart is "minimum wage"Nov 03 16:16
DaemonFCthe Sheet Metal Workers International Union, Local 204Nov 03 16:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Feinstein: Public Option Alone Will Not Solve America's Health Care & Repeal Anti-Trust Exemption #hc #publicoption http://ur1.ca/f1mcNov 03 16:17
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube - Feinstein: Public Option Alone Will Not Solve America's Health Care & Repeal Anti-Trust Exemption .::. Size~: 138.14 KBNov 03 16:17
schestowitzThey'd pay a manager of a division an extra buck just so that people around him/her have "Respect"Nov 03 16:17
DaemonFCthe only thing they did for us was take out $10 a week and we were only making like $8.54 an hourNov 03 16:17
schestowitzRespect the "man with extra buck"Nov 03 16:17
DaemonFCso you can imagine what I thought about the unionNov 03 16:17
DaemonFCcrooked, greedy, SOBsNov 03 16:17
DaemonFCI've worked in a lot of non-union shops where I made more than thatNov 03 16:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Feinstein: In CA Kaiser & Wellpoint Control 58% Market Presence up 14% Last Year http://ur1.ca/f1md #hc09 #hc #sickcareNov 03 16:18
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube - Feinstein: In CA Kaiser & Wellpoint Control 58% Market Presence up 14% Last Year .::. Size~: 136.97 KBNov 03 16:18
DaemonFCI made more than that at Walmart, before I went into managementNov 03 16:18
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DaemonFCso unions representing unskilled labor have no bargaining powerNov 03 16:18
fewa_minimum wage is the greatest union of allNov 03 16:18
DaemonFCthat goes double when the labor can be outsourced, which is what happened thereNov 03 16:18
DaemonFCyou can't bargain without any chips on the tableNov 03 16:19
schestowitzfewa_: bar illegal workersNov 03 16:19
DaemonFCand unskilled labor unions have few or no chipsNov 03 16:19
fewa_and the united states minimum wage is one of the smallest in the countryNov 03 16:19
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schestowitz!google uk babysitter taxNov 03 16:19
phIRCe-local[1] - How to Claim Babysitting As Income on Taxes | eHow.co.uk | http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_4897751_claim-babysitting-income-taxes.htmlNov 03 16:19
phIRCe-local[2] - Babysitter Terms and Conditions | http://www.clickdocs.co.uk/babysitter-terms-and-conditions.asp%3Ftrade%3DBabysitterNov 03 16:19
phIRCe-local[3] - Government Must Approve Babysitters in UK | http://www.infowars.com/government-must-approve-babysitters-in-uk/Nov 03 16:19
phIRCe-local[4] - Defining "The Nanny Tax": Why and How Taxes Apply to Babysitters ... | http://parenting.ivillage.com/mom/finances/0,,f9pgd8kx,00.htmlNov 03 16:19
DaemonFCfewa_, What exactly was the SMWIA 204 doing to represent me?Nov 03 16:19
DaemonFCFuck allNov 03 16:19
fewa_and Reagans' 85% on <18 due to lobbying from McDonaldsNov 03 16:20
DaemonFCThey did take my money thoughNov 03 16:20
DaemonFC:)Nov 03 16:20
schestowitzDaemonFC: watch your languageNov 03 16:20
DaemonFCnotice how Honda factory workers make like $12 an hour and have health insurance, there's no union there, but their employer is healthy and providing lots of good, stable jobsNov 03 16:21
DaemonFCGM and Ford are union and the contracts are part of what destroyed themNov 03 16:21
DaemonFCthey're firing their $20 an hour lugnut turners left and rightNov 03 16:21
DaemonFCWhat good does a union do you if it just gets everybody to the unemployment line?Nov 03 16:21
fewa_watching http://vimeo.com/7048714Nov 03 16:22
phIRCe-localTitle: Paul Collins, President of Sheetmetal Workers Local 137. on Vimeo .::. Size~: 45.39 KBNov 03 16:22
DaemonFCfewa_, Tell me how one goes about getting one of those "good union jobs" at a dying company like GM?Nov 03 16:22
DaemonFCthey aren't hiring, they're firingNov 03 16:22
DaemonFCthey're trying to figure out how to get rid of their workersNov 03 16:22
DaemonFCthey even have to pay them to go awayNov 03 16:23
fewa_DaemonFC, the UAW naively allied with the CEOs on opposing fuel efficiency standardsNov 03 16:23
fewa_that cost themNov 03 16:23
DaemonFCjobs like GM had are the past, fewa_Nov 03 16:23
DaemonFCthey are not coming backNov 03 16:23
fewa_weather the workers made that choice. idkNov 03 16:23
fewa_also, they didn't get single-payer health careNov 03 16:23
DaemonFCworkers would be stupid to bring the UAW into Honda or Toyota plantsNov 03 16:23
DaemonFCthey'd just leave the countryNov 03 16:23
fewa_a huge reason for the crashNov 03 16:24
DaemonFCshut down their plantsNov 03 16:24
DaemonFCfewa_, The UAW doesn't really want single payer, they say they doNov 03 16:24
DaemonFChealthcare is one thing they could poit to when people said "What are you doing for the workers?"Nov 03 16:24
fewa_DaemonFC, its a managerial problemNov 03 16:24
fewa_DaemonFC, however I have seen workers saying elsewiseNov 03 16:25
DaemonFCNegotiating some big wasteful health plan contract that ruined GM was a propaganda chip for UAWNov 03 16:25
DaemonFCanyway, brb, doctor appointmentNov 03 16:25
DaemonFC:PNov 03 16:25
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schestowitzpeace at lstNov 03 16:25
schestowitzHe's admitting defeat without fighting back, IMHONov 03 16:26
schestowitzSame when it comes to Free softwareNov 03 16:26
fewa_UAW reps calling for fuel efficiency and single payerNov 03 16:26
fewa_the real thing would be to make wind turbinesNov 03 16:26
fewa_http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/8/white_house_environmental_adviser_van_jonesNov 03 16:27
phIRCe-localTitle: White House Environmental Adviser Van Jones Resigns Citing "Vicious Smear Campaign Against Me" .::. Size~: 57.07 KBNov 03 16:27
schestowitzHe would be a defeatist union leaderNov 03 16:28
fewa_http://www.vanjones.net/Nov 03 16:28
phIRCe-localTitle: Van Jones .::. Size~: 5.28 KBNov 03 16:28
fewa_http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/28/van_jones_on_the_green_collarNov 03 16:29
phIRCe-localTitle: Van Jones on "The Green Collar Economy: How One Solution Can Fix Our Two Biggest Problems" .::. Size~: 36.69 KBNov 03 16:29
schestowitzHehe.Nov 03 16:30
schestowitzhttp://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/10/final-ooxml-update-part-i.htmlNov 03 16:30
phIRCe-localTitle: An Antic Disposition: The Final OOXML Update: Part I .::. Size~: 74.96 KBNov 03 16:30
fewa_We’ll call it the rise of the green Keynesians, the idea that the government is going to have to play a role in the economy, we’re going to have even more deficit spending to kind of stimulate the economy, to move us through.Nov 03 16:30
schestowitzAlex Brown has an "employer"Nov 03 16:30
schestowitzHimself (and another dude)Nov 03 16:30
fewa_"Nov 03 16:30
fewa_And when you look at, you know, what should you spend that money on, last time we had a stimulus, we gave out a bunch of checks to people who ran out to Wal-Mart and bought flat-screen TVs, so we stimulated the economy—it was just the Chinese economy, not this one. The smart way to do a stimulus is to invest in infrastructure. And the smart infrastructure that we need right now is infrastructure that gets the price of energy down, that gets us Nov 03 16:30
fewa_more energy independent. All roads point toward a major investment in clean energy, probably funded in part by deficit spending on the part of the government. "Nov 03 16:30
schestowitzIt seems like even China is more willing to go greenNov 03 16:31
schestowitzThe US loves green too....Nov 03 16:31
schestowitz... the green bank notesNov 03 16:31
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] "Its like tipping a rapist" http://ur1.ca/f1nr #JoeBidenNov 03 16:35
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. .::. Size~: 122.72 KBNov 03 16:35
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schestowitzfewa_: http://homembit.com/2009/10/openxml-what-i-havent-told-yet-about-the-brm.html#commentsNov 03 16:38
phIRCe-localTitle: OpenXML: What I havent told yet about the BRM | void life(void) .::. Size~: 99.9 KBNov 03 16:38
schestowitzScroll down. Nasty commentsNov 03 16:38
*zer0c00l|Away is now known as zer0c00l`Nov 03 16:38
fewa_schestowitz, you should add a network neutrality badge to your site http://www.savetheinternet.com/spread-the-wordNov 03 16:45
phIRCe-localTitle: Link to Us | Save the Internet .::. Size~: 16.29 KBNov 03 16:45
schestowitzI'm too lazy for it....Nov 03 16:45
fewa_I guess its a largely US-centered organization...Nov 03 16:45
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenDocument&diff=322602933&oldid=prevNov 03 16:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 16:47
schestowitzIsn't he banned?Nov 03 16:48
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/samj/statuses/5240293005 "[For ODF] no company has >~20% of the participation and no two companies combined have control of the TC": http://bit.ly/2RcToaNov 03 16:49
phIRCe-localTitle: Twitter / Sam Johnston: "[For ODF] no company has  ... .::. Size~: 9.98 KBNov 03 16:49
fewa_http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_and_OpenDocument&diff=293114760&oldid=290590229Nov 03 16:51
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 16:51
schestowitzAnd again: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenDocument&diff=322971933&oldid=prevNov 03 16:52
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 16:52
fewa_<a href="http://www.savetheinternet.com/"><img src="http://www.savetheinternet.com/sites/sti/themes/savetheinternet/images/sti_button.gif" alt="Save the Internet Now!" /></a>Nov 03 16:52
phIRCe-localTitle: Home | Save the Internet .::. Size~: 18.16 KBNov 03 16:52
phIRCe-localTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 16:52
fewa_looks like this http://www.savetheinternet.com/sites/sti/themes/savetheinternet/images/sti_button.gifNov 03 16:53
phIRCe-localTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 16:53
fewa_or this http://www.savetheinternet.com/sites/sti/themes/savetheinternet/images/blog_image.jpgNov 03 16:53
phIRCe-localTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 16:53
Diablo-D3seeNov 03 16:55
Diablo-D3what I wonder isNov 03 16:55
Diablo-D3why do I microblogNov 03 16:55
Diablo-D3ifNov 03 16:55
Diablo-D3no oneNov 03 16:55
Diablo-D3reads itNov 03 16:55
schestowitzhttp://almalivre.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/use-odf-open-document-format/Nov 03 16:57
phIRCe-localTitle: Use ODF (Open Document Format). « O Futuro é a Liberdade .::. Size~: 56.52 KBNov 03 16:57
schestowitzDiablo-D3: people do read itNov 03 16:57
schestowitzWhy rehearse if nobody hears it?Nov 03 16:58
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: good idea!Nov 03 16:59
*Diablo-D3 gets drunk insteadNov 03 16:59
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Is this even a parody of #GlennBeck? I mean, thats pretty much his entire show http://ur1.ca/f1pyNov 03 17:00
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. .::. Size~: 121.31 KBNov 03 17:00
schestowitz"This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. "Nov 03 17:01
Diablo-D3it sucks to be a foreignerNov 03 17:01
fewa_wtf, youtubeNov 03 17:02
fewa_ill email it to youNov 03 17:02
Diablo-D3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmLJDrsaJmkNov 03 17:03
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 17:03
*Diablo-D3 cacklesNov 03 17:03
fewa_anyways it blowsNov 03 17:03
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/11/2/4368554.htmlNov 03 17:06
phIRCe-localTitle: Gates Keepers :: Gates Keepers noted by Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 18.37 KBNov 03 17:06
schestowitzfewa_: no needNov 03 17:08
fewa_this is good http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/16/4352483.htmlNov 03 17:11
phIRCe-localTitle: Gates Keepers :: Anti-bill Bill .::. Size~: 21.44 KBNov 03 17:11
fewa_that initive would destroy government in washington stateNov 03 17:11
fewa_its a neo-con proposal Nov 03 17:11
fewa_or in europe called neoliberalNov 03 17:11
fewa_"Shock Doctrine"Nov 03 17:11
fewa_by Tim Eyman, a destroyer of governmentNov 03 17:12
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fewa_would manages to get a initive on the ballot almost every yearNov 03 17:12
fewa_the ones that pass hobble governmentNov 03 17:12
_goblinhello allNov 03 17:13
fewa_Businesses like Microsoft have to approach such thing with truman style actionNov 03 17:13
fewa_they cant be evil in their places of residenceNov 03 17:13
fewa_truman had a social-program domestic policy for the democrats and a aggresive, destructive foreign policy for the hawksNov 03 17:14
fewa_Businesses that must court educated folk tend to persue this sort of approachNov 03 17:15
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/13650410Nov 03 17:15
phIRCe-localTitle: Ben Finney (bignose) 's status on Tuesday, 03-Nov-09 13:13:16 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.47 KBNov 03 17:15
fewa_wowNov 03 17:16
fewa_“allow derivatives” == “allow fraud”Nov 03 17:16
fewa_at least in the way their are allowedNov 03 17:16
fewa_thats the real source of the meltdownNov 03 17:16
fewa_mad speculationNov 03 17:16
fewa_thats what is creating this second bubbleNov 03 17:17
schestowitzI have loads of financial news to post 2nite in BNNov 03 17:18
schestowitzGS corruptionNov 03 17:18
schestowitzFSF has new site designNov 03 17:20
schestowitzWith Jeremy allison tooNov 03 17:20
fewa_http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Washington_Initiative_1033_%282009%29Nov 03 17:20
phIRCe-localTitle: Washington Initiative 1033 (2009) - Ballotpedia .::. Size~: 106.83 KBNov 03 17:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mattl new www.fsf.org homepage is up, featuring @jra @johnsu01 and @stephenfry -- thanks to @cureNov 03 17:20
fewa_similar initiative destroyed ColoradoNov 03 17:20
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/13595520 http://identi.ca/notice/13595520Nov 03 17:21
phIRCe-localTitle: Matt Lee (mattl) 's status on Monday, 02-Nov-09 22:25:56 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.14 KBNov 03 17:21
phIRCe-localTitle: Matt Lee (mattl) 's status on Monday, 02-Nov-09 22:25:56 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.14 KBNov 03 17:21
fewa_http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Tim_EymanNov 03 17:21
phIRCe-localTitle: Tim Eyman - Ballotpedia .::. Size~: 67.58 KBNov 03 17:21
schestowitz!google youtube boulder colorado lecture Nov 03 17:21
phIRCe-local[1] - YouTube - CU Boulder Philosophy Club, lecture on the Philosophy of ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DikhQgdkBUisNov 03 17:21
phIRCe-local[2] - ASSETT » Video and Photo Sharing Series: YouTube | http://assett.colorado.edu/%3Fp%3D911Nov 03 17:21
phIRCe-local[3] - Engineering Links to the YouTube Age Camtasia Relay at University ... | http://caete.colorado.edu/resources/articles-papers/Mark-Dehus-TechSmith-InterviewNov 03 17:21
phIRCe-local[4] - planetarydefense.blogspot.com: YouTube Video Lecture on 2008 TC3 | http://planetarydefense.blogspot.com/2009/03/youtube-video-lecture-on-2008-tc3.htmlNov 03 17:21
schestowitzHmmm.. never mindNov 03 17:21
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #fsf has new site up http://www.fsf.org/Nov 03 17:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Welcome! - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 12.5 KBNov 03 17:25
schestowitzHonduran coup leaders agree to restore ousted president to power http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/30/honduras-zelaya-deal-coupNov 03 17:31
schestowitzfewa_: "US citizens: phone your congresscritter in suport of the Weiner amendment for a single-payer health care system." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-sep-dec.html#02%20November%202009%20%28Urgent%20Note%3A%20Weiner%20amendment%29Nov 03 17:32
schestowitzhttp://washingtonindependent.com/58428/defense-department-conceals-data-on-detainee-deathsNov 03 17:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Defense Department Conceals Data on Detainee Deaths «  The Washington Independent .::. Size~: 33.12 KBNov 03 17:33
fewa_there is also the Kucinich Amendment for allowing states to implament single-payerNov 03 17:33
fewa_schestowitz, the Weiner amendment replaces HR 3200 (the mamoth current bill) with HR 676Nov 03 17:34
schestowitzThe heart of India is under attack http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/30/mining-india-maoists-green-huntNov 03 17:34
fewa_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_ActNov 03 17:34
phIRCe-localTitle: United States National Health Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 48.58 KBNov 03 17:34
schestowitzLand grab by rich companiesNov 03 17:34
schestowitzThey have the people find one another insteadNov 03 17:34
schestowitzJust like in Nigeria and AbujaNov 03 17:35
schestowitzSteal oil, have the locals blame and kill one anotherNov 03 17:35
fewa_single payer was first on a federal platform with Theadore Roosevelt 100 years agoNov 03 17:35
fewa_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_David_Dingell,_Sr.Nov 03 17:35
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 17:35
fewa_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_David_Dingell,_Jr.Nov 03 17:36
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBNov 03 17:36
fewa_At the beginning of every Congress, Dingell introduces a bill providing for a national health insurance system, the same bill that his father proposed while he was in Congress. Nov 03 17:36
fewa_""Nov 03 17:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Do I have the right to refuse this search?” http://ping.fm/qTQrK Good questionNov 03 17:37
phIRCe-localTitle: “Do I have the right to refuse this search?”   | Homeland Security Watch .::. Size~: 146.24 KBNov 03 17:37
fewa_Holy shit, the Ref 71 privacy went to SCOTUS http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/SCOTUS_upholds_R-71_ban_on_petition_namesNov 03 17:37
phIRCe-localTitle: SCOTUS upholds R-71 ban on petition names - Ballotpedia .::. Size~: 44.08 KBNov 03 17:37
schestowitzPolice in £9m scheme to log 'domestic extremists' http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/25/police-domestic-extremists-databaseNov 03 17:37
schestowitzhaha.Nov 03 17:37
fewa_8-1 that petition signatures are publicNov 03 17:37
schestowitzProtests = 'domestic extremists' Nov 03 17:37
fewa_schestowitz, wowNov 03 17:38
schestowitzAs long as they don't 'twit"Nov 03 17:38
fewa_oh wait Nov 03 17:38
schestowitzThey'd beat the s* out of those Twitter users :-)Nov 03 17:39
schestowitzhttp://www.democracynow.org/blog/2009/10/7/watch_what_you_tweetNov 03 17:39
phIRCe-localTitle: Watch What You Tweet .::. Size~: 19.72 KBNov 03 17:39
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8661Nov 03 17:40
phIRCe-localTitle: Dude, Where's Our Surgeon General? | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 24.16 KBNov 03 17:40
fewa_I hate how news sites never link to the court opinionsNov 03 17:44
fewa_only "professional" news doesnNov 03 17:45
fewa_*doesn't cite sourcesNov 03 17:45
schestowitzThey don't link at allNov 03 17:46
schestowitzThey think it looks more professional I reckonNov 03 17:46
fewa_more professional to note have anyhting backing you upNov 03 17:46
schestowitzThe BBC isolates links from contentNov 03 17:46
schestowitzThey basically try to emulate paperNov 03 17:46
fewa_"someone families with the subject" saidNov 03 17:46
schestowitzIncludijng the   restrictions and limitationNov 03 17:46
fewa_schestowitz, they actually do linkNov 03 17:46
schestowitzLike paginationNov 03 17:46
fewa_link to themselvesNov 03 17:46
fewa_its horridNov 03 17:46
schestowitzfewa_: most don't link to themselves eitherNov 03 17:46
fewa_http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/us/21signatures.html?_r=1Nov 03 17:47
phIRCe-localTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.66 KBNov 03 17:47
schestowitzBN cross-refs a lot cause it's quick, based on post_idNov 03 17:47
fewa_nytimes "tags" shit to themselvesNov 03 17:47
fewa_its totally uselessNov 03 17:47
fewa_they also track your mouse movementNov 03 17:47
fewa_and scrollingNov 03 17:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Is there such a thing as a sour tomato? Looking at my lads face as he eats one you'd think there was...Nov 03 17:48
schestowitzheh. we made FP of LT.. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-03-007-35-NW-BZ-MSNov 03 17:50
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schestowitzfewa_: yes, NYT bragged to investors about spyingNov 03 17:50
schestowitzThey mine a lot of dataNov 03 17:50
schestowitzAnd they said this to shareholders in 2005 IIRCNov 03 17:50
schestowitzDisgusting, IMHONov 03 17:50
fewa_if your business is thought control, why wouldn't you want to spy on your users?Nov 03 17:50
schestowitzMind you, NYT is DEBT-saddldNov 03 17:50
schestowitzAnd it's one of the most-read online papers, I reckonNov 03 17:51
schestowitzfewa_:  /users/lab rats/Nov 03 17:51
fewa_schestowitz, more than thatNov 03 17:51
fewa_they are meatNov 03 17:51
fewa_each persons heart, or at least complacency, is worth moneyNov 03 17:52
fewa_and the more educated they are the more it is worthNov 03 17:52
fewa_that is why newspapers brag about their constituent's educationNov 03 17:52
schestowitzhttp://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/GNOME-Cleartext-Passwords-Bug-or-FeatureNov 03 17:52
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schestowitzfewa_: yes, they have a code in their passportNov 03 17:53
schestowitzWhen they are born they are printed as valueNov 03 17:53
schestowitzBasically, human value to the economyNov 03 17:53
schestowitzTreated like a stock on Wall StreetNov 03 17:53
schestowitzThe same one you'd use when stating what cargo you bring by boatNov 03 17:54
schestowitzI'm not sure if all passports are like that, thoughNov 03 17:54
fewa_but while they wish to "free" the movement of consumer goods and commoditiesNov 03 17:54
fewa_they want to restrict the trade of those humansNov 03 17:54
schestowitzCitizen=commodity :-)Nov 03 17:54
fewa_totally violating a central premise to Adam Smith's treatise A Wealth of NationsNov 03 17:54
schestowitzThey'd sent out a charming man/lady to explain this to usNov 03 17:55
schestowitzPR spinners :-)Nov 03 17:55
schestowitzI love how they do itNov 03 17:55
fewa_untimate investor class freedomNov 03 17:55
fewa_zero worker class freedom, freedom of movementNov 03 17:55
fewa_wtf http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/response-09A356.pdfNov 03 17:56
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fewa_how does privacy have anything to do with the first amendmentNov 03 17:56
fewa_privacy is all in the 4th amendmentNov 03 17:56
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzY2MgNov 03 17:56
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fewa_1st == free speech 4th==freedom from intrusion, safety in ones abode, limitations on warrantsNov 03 17:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Alguem quer partilhar o seu contacto Skype comigo?Nov 03 17:58
schestowitzfewa_: [sarcasm] well, freedom from intrusion is like sooooooooooooo........ old world order ;-) [sarcasm /]Nov 03 18:01
schestowitzANyway, gotta run now.Nov 03 18:01
fewa_"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."Nov 03 18:02
fewa_kNov 03 18:02
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fewahttp://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/21.htmlNov 03 18:13
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fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Enemies_ActNov 03 18:14
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Reading code and reference book simultaneously with !xmonad http://www.twitpic.com/o5den #coolNov 03 18:40
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One of the funniest parodies ever. Here is the original:http://tinyurl.com/67bx2o and here is the parody: http://tinyurl.com/yjbfrayNov 03 18:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One of the funniest parodies ever. Here is the original: http://tinyurl.com/67bx2o and here is the parody: http://tinyurl.com/yjbfrayNov 03 18:48
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT sazzlerock I wanna get #FraggleRock trending... just need about 30,000 RT's and I'm there!Nov 03 18:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why does this always remind me of a Gillette advert? (0:39) especially: http://tinyurl.com/4nycvqNov 03 18:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ah...excellent: http://bit.ly/vxDRd #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #borg #startrekNov 03 19:02
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_goblinthats my Youtube fix done for the week I think.Nov 03 19:08
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DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8339549.stmNov 03 19:30
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DaemonFCA Muslim-eating bearNov 03 19:30
DaemonFCwe have to breed more of theseNov 03 19:30
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DaemonFCbigotry, hahNov 03 19:31
DaemonFCfunny charge for the likes of you to be makingNov 03 19:31
DaemonFCironic tooNov 03 19:31
fewaintoleranceNov 03 19:32
_goblinIve had him on ignore for months...Nov 03 19:32
fewa<DaemonFC> A Muslim-eating bearNov 03 19:32
fewa<DaemonFC> we have to breed more of theseNov 03 19:32
DaemonFCyeah, a Muslim asking for toleranceNov 03 19:32
DaemonFCI guess everyone wants it for themselves....onlyNov 03 19:33
_goblindoesn't surprise me...I ignored him for the same type of talk months before.Nov 03 19:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Shows Im getting used to Wave, I am now considering even non-RT posts before I type...if you get a wave invite, use it!Nov 03 19:35
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The exact location of R'lyeh http://ur1.ca/f23aNov 03 19:35
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A really great free public DNS server 208.67.222.222 or 208.67.220.220Nov 03 19:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Qual a diferenca entre um rapaz normal e um geek? Um geek vai ate ao fim do mundo por um computador, um rapaz normal vai por amor ~14dyNov 03 19:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @Lady_R_89: Tenh qe comecar a usar strap on nos geeks, pode ser qe resulte comigo tambem -http://bit.ly/1u3e1jNov 03 19:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @_Goblin  205.171.2.65 and 205.171.3.65 - Level 3's public DNS server are much better, and don't mess change the records on their usersNov 03 19:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] The best thing about me is you...Nov 03 19:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Global "vaguely giving a shit" portal to launch http://notnews.today.com/?p=714Nov 03 19:51
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] back from second day at new job. of course, I fixed the wiki today. (now searches on TLAs!)Nov 03 19:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "To the world you are one person, but to one person you are the world."Nov 03 19:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "The spaces between your fingers were created so that another's could fill them in."Nov 03 19:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @scientes Thanks for that! I'll refer them on and credit you! Regards..Goblin..Nov 03 20:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me vai ver umas fotosNov 03 20:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me wishes that he could control time, go back to Sunday, and stop time at about 15:30...Nov 03 20:15
fewa"U2 has donated another copy of the bassline they have used on their last eight albums."Nov 03 20:19
fewalolNov 03 20:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me ve as fotos outra vez...Nov 03 20:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] hopefully mine is doing better than this HT @pigsonthewing http://twitpic.com/o4eb9Nov 03 21:02
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ThistleWebout of curiosity, anyone know if the BSOD is still blue in Windows 7?Nov 03 21:07
trmancoI'm sure it isNov 03 21:07
ThistleWebit just seems like a MS thing to do, to change the colour of the screen, and then proudly tell peeps they've eliminated the BSODNov 03 21:08
trmancowillNov 03 21:08
trmancowell*Nov 03 21:08
ThistleWebbetter not give them ideas eh?Nov 03 21:08
MinceRthey've already "eliminated" it by making it automatically reboot, didn't they? :>Nov 03 21:08
trmancothey also haver other death screen colorsNov 03 21:09
trmancohave*Nov 03 21:09
MinceRhm, maybe i should make mini windoze xp, which, instead of halting, reboots :>Nov 03 21:09
ThistleWebit feels like a vintage MS move, don't fix the problem behind itNov 03 21:09
MinceR(instead of cli; hlt -- jmp ffff:0000)Nov 03 21:09
MinceRiirc they have the red bootloader error screenNov 03 21:10
ThistleWebmaybe they sould have it flicker real fast just to distract those with epilepsy from complaining that their windows just crashedNov 03 21:10
trmancoxp does that because it's a featureNov 03 21:10
ThistleWebgive them something else to think aboutNov 03 21:10
trmancothere is an option somewhere, if the os crashes to reboot or to stay blueNov 03 21:10
MinceRhidden in the registryNov 03 21:11
trmanconoNov 03 21:12
trmancoit's hiddenNov 03 21:12
trmancobut not in the registry, it's really a check, apply thingNov 03 21:13
trmancoIIRCNov 03 21:13
schestowitzSiriusCorpNov 03 21:16
schestowitz  Nov 03 21:17
schestowitzRT @schestowitz Press lost interest in #Win7 Now we have to put up with annoying TV ads where members of public claim responsibility #weirdNov 03 21:17
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/SiriusCorp/status/5395697880Nov 03 21:17
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVMy0PFr8noNov 03 21:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NASA has Windows viruses. http://ping.fm/r0o1oNov 03 21:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Why is Linux Chrome so fast?: http://digg.com/d318mDe?tNov 03 21:19
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schestowitzVote: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40810Nov 03 21:21
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schestowitztrmanco: you were away, no? Tower of Hanoi?Nov 03 21:22
trmancoschestowitz: what?Nov 03 21:22
trmancoI'm still a little awayNov 03 21:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @trmanco Why is Linux Chrome so fast?: http://ping.fm/R5XrPNov 03 21:24
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schestowitz*sigh* Asay calls Free software collusion? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10388408-16.htmlNov 03 21:27
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schestowitztrmanco: are you in a wormhole? :-)Nov 03 21:27
trmanconahNov 03 21:27
schestowitzHalf away is like half pregnantNov 03 21:27
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schestowitzThoughts on this? http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/GNOME-Cleartext-Passwords-Bug-or-Feature I found it funny. It's not a hole, it's a feeechureNov 03 21:29
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schestowitzWhy is Rob Reilly recommending a Linux virus? http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/178621-do-the-banshee-shuffleNov 03 21:32
schestowitz_goblin: BN had 7033  unique IPs in the past 12 hours :-pNov 03 21:33
schestowitzLaggyNov 03 21:33
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_goblinshow off! ;)Nov 03 21:34
schestowitzfewa: the interview with Liz Warren gets quite interesting.Nov 03 21:36
schestowitzBut I thought she's an underachiever for this series with Harry KreislerNov 03 21:37
schestowitz_goblin: yeah, I was teasing you on purpose :-)Nov 03 21:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010 is released now. #KDE 4.3.3 also.Nov 03 21:39
fewaschestowitz, what do you mean by "underachiever"?Nov 03 21:39
schestowitzCheck out top banner: http://theperfectarts.com/2009/11/what-is-core-files-in-linux/Nov 03 21:40
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schestowitzfewa: in terms of impact, no offence to herNov 03 21:40
schestowitzThat series has some Nobel-level people Nov 03 21:40
schestowitzfewa: but I like her!Nov 03 21:40
fewaschestowitz, o, compared with Zinn Pauling Chomsky, etc ahaNov 03 21:40
schestowitzYeah.Nov 03 21:40
schestowitzAlso......Nov 03 21:41
schestowitzSHe's not 'old enough'Nov 03 21:41
fewashe wrote the op-ed that killed the first Credit Card grab in the USNov 03 21:41
schestowitzI reckoned this series is to have living memory of people who pass away almostNov 03 21:41
fewalessig mentions this...Nov 03 21:41
fewaabout making personal debts infernalNov 03 21:42
schestowitzfewa: her biography is usual for what one might expectNov 03 21:42
fewabut corporate debts fickleNov 03 21:42
fewawell she was born in OklahomaNov 03 21:42
fewawhat do you expect :PNov 03 21:42
schestowitzHow much %of US popu' is in debt?Nov 03 21:42
fewaschestowitz, more than are notNov 03 21:42
fewasavings in the US is negativeNov 03 21:42
schestowitzIncluding household (+kids)Nov 03 21:42
schestowitzThat's what I reckonedNov 03 21:42
schestowitzLiving in the future, which is an unknownNov 03 21:43
fewain term of US dollarsNov 03 21:43
schestowitzMaking an assumption/bet about an assumption/betNov 03 21:43
schestowitzHow about some 3rd-level derivatives?Nov 03 21:43
schestowitzUntil it flattensNov 03 21:43
fewaGreenspan convinced americans to treat their home like a bankNov 03 21:43
fewathat is most american's biggest assetNov 03 21:43
fewaand most valuableNov 03 21:43
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_derivativeNov 03 21:43
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schestowitzfewa: heheheNov 03 21:44
fewaand then the neocon/neoliberal assholes try to take it from themNov 03 21:44
schestowitzAssuming the value retains worthNov 03 21:44
schestowitzMany people sell=no valueNov 03 21:44
fewa_even when that is more expensive then renegotiating the morgages_Nov 03 21:44
schestowitzSee  how in Cambodia (IIRC) money flew through the streets, utterly worthlessNov 03 21:44
fewaits a totally brutal systemNov 03 21:44
schestowitzThe US dollar too is no longer exchangeable with commodityNov 03 21:44
fewaschestowitz, yes it isNov 03 21:45
schestowitzSee what happened after USSR breakupNov 03 21:45
fewayou can buy all sorts of things with itNov 03 21:45
schestowitzOligarch thievesNov 03 21:45
fewaas long as you can buy something with money it has worthNov 03 21:45
schestowitzfewa: there is no absolute currencyNov 03 21:45
schestowitzNot even a houseNov 03 21:46
fewaschestowitz, exactlyNov 03 21:46
schestowitzYou could buy a house in Sudan...Nov 03 21:46
schestowitzWon't be worth much, will it?Nov 03 21:46
fewayou could buy a house in Russia, along with 12 other peopleNov 03 21:46
fewaschestowitz, Sudan is a media propaganda-festNov 03 21:46
schestowitzHow so?Nov 03 21:46
fewathere certainly are atrocities thereNov 03 21:46
schestowitzKhartoum has atrocitiesNov 03 21:46
schestowitzYeahNov 03 21:47
schestowitzBeat me to it!Nov 03 21:47
fewabut they are spunNov 03 21:47
fewaand there is no interest in factNov 03 21:47
schestowitzHow so?Nov 03 21:47
schestowitzTo make "rich uncle" will come to save Sudanese?Nov 03 21:47
fewahttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/23/new_us_strategy_for_sudan_rejectsNov 03 21:47
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schestowitzBook,marked for now (overload)Nov 03 21:48
fewa"Well, I think Save Darfur basically—I’ve been trying to figure this out. There were different kinds of groups that went into Save Darfur for different kinds of motives. There were those who came out of the South Sudan campaign and who just assumed that Darfur was another version of South Sudan, which it wasn’t. There were those who were mainly motivated by lessons of the Rwanda genocide, and they assumed that really a time comes when you caNov 03 21:48
fewan’t sort of stop and ask, “Why is this happening?” You must first act. And if you ask them, “What’s the time?” they would say, “Genocide.” And if you ask them, “How do you know it’s genocide?” they would say, “Because we’re told so.” Now that’s the real rub: We’re told so, by whom? So that genocide has become like an ideological language used by those who want to forefront a particular issue."Nov 03 21:48
schestowitzWait..Nov 03 21:48
schestowitzDidn't I see this?Nov 03 21:48
schestowitzOr just the Prof.Nov 03 21:48
fewaesp that last languageNov 03 21:48
fewamakes alot of senseNov 03 21:48
schestowitzhttp://technologytales.com/2009/11/02/a-certain-lack-of-speed/Nov 03 21:53
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fewaalso Obama is a nobel laureate, supposedly for bringing about peaceNov 03 21:57
fewaI think you have a romantic "great man" look on historyNov 03 21:59
fewasuch a look is fatally flawedNov 03 22:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Very nice new wallpapers for one's desktop: http://ping.fm/vnwt4Nov 03 22:00
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schestowitzfewa: no, I was thinking about age mostlyNov 03 22:01
fewaahhNov 03 22:01
fewawell yesNov 03 22:01
schestowitzYounger people have a broader story to tell... about history.Nov 03 22:01
fewathose other people are largely retiredNov 03 22:01
schestowitzLike great depressionNov 03 22:01
fewawhat they have to say is settledNov 03 22:01
schestowitzEmeriti Nov 03 22:01
fewaone of Warren's inititives, the consumer financial agency, is currently in congressNov 03 22:01
schestowitzhttp://serverlinux.blogspot.com/2009/11/linux-ftp-transfer-and-resume.htmlNov 03 22:08
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schestowitzfewa: I'd hve to learn about thatNov 03 22:08
schestowitzI also have no clue what Obama did for peaceNov 03 22:08
schestowitzBut I'm sure there's lots of something if he got the prizeNov 03 22:08
fewaGrayson has said he hopes Obama will win 3 nobel peace prizesNov 03 22:08
fewaa second for AfghanistanNov 03 22:09
fewaand a third for IraqNov 03 22:09
fewa:PNov 03 22:09
MinceRlolNov 03 22:10
fewahttp://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/289596-3 http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/21/three-myths-about-the-consumer-financial-product-agency/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYd08e5CjvsNov 03 22:12
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fewathe off-the-shelf contracts is my favorite part of itNov 03 22:16
fewashe's really a new deal/great society believer, very AmericanNov 03 22:19
schestowitzKDE 4.3.3Nov 03 22:19
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-4-3-3-released-849080.htmlNov 03 22:19
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schestowitzHola!Nov 03 22:19
schestowitzfewa: nice one from GraysonNov 03 22:20
schestowitzfewa: well, she came from a rather impoverished bg in OklahomaNov 03 22:20
fewathe dust bowl, like she saidNov 03 22:20
fewaOklahomaNov 03 22:20
schestowitzYou'd think she was some arrogant Havardist :-) But no, climb there slowlyNov 03 22:21
fewaI know people from that regionNov 03 22:21
schestowitzI just think of the McVeigh bombingNov 03 22:21
fewavery FDRNov 03 22:21
schestowitzIt permeatesNov 03 22:22
fewahit hardest by the dust bowlsNov 03 22:22
schestowitzOklahoma cite = disasterNov 03 22:22
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schestowitzSame with KatrinaNov 03 22:22
fewaThis Side of Paradise, F ScottNov 03 22:22
schestowitzI used to live with a Sophie McVeigh. Still couldn't help think of Timothy...Nov 03 22:22
schestowitz*thinkingNov 03 22:22
fewawhoopsNov 03 22:22
fewa*Grapes of WrathNov 03 22:23
fewaSteinbeckNov 03 22:23
fewathe principal account of the dust bowlNov 03 22:23
schestowitzPlaces get typified by images of eventsNov 03 22:24
fewaschestowitz, with Katrina there was a massive dismantling of public institutionsNov 03 22:24
fewaschools, librariesNov 03 22:24
schestowitzProduct too..Nov 03 22:24
schestowitzSideKick...Nov 03 22:24
fewaall privitizedNov 03 22:24
fewaI dont know specific history, but in the US there was FDR and the new dealNov 03 22:24
fewaa great build up of public programsNov 03 22:25
schestowitzThe US media seems to portray Arab culture as [tag] sand, camel, tent, sword, religion, bombNov 03 22:25
fewawith massive supportNov 03 22:25
schestowitzSee Alibaba Nov 03 22:25
fewaand a non-interventionist foreign policyNov 03 22:25
fewaschestowitz, your right about arab countriesNov 03 22:26
fewacant forget samali PIRATES! ARGGGGNov 03 22:26
schestowitzDidn't Warren speak of Louisiana, Mississippi, or AlabamaNov 03 22:26
schestowitzHaha. Pirates...Nov 03 22:27
schestowitzI forgot what pirates means...Nov 03 22:27
schestowitz90% I hear about it that's about dudes in costumes or people who copy filesNov 03 22:27
fewayes Jon Stewart had a field day on thatNov 03 22:27
schestowitzIMHO, Arab people have many reasons to b angryNov 03 22:28
schestowitzI noticed Ryan's very racist remark that he made while I was at the gymNov 03 22:28
schestowitzHe had left before I could kick him off the channelNov 03 22:28
fewathe US media can do that becuase many Americans have never met someone from the middle eastNov 03 22:28
fewaesp Warren's type of backgroudNov 03 22:29
schestowitzCBS has just done propagandaNov 03 22:29
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091101/1818186751.shtmlNov 03 22:29
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fewacentral and midwest US is overwhelming scandanavian and german white, white, whiteNov 03 22:29
schestowitzfewa: I'm not sure many know what middle east it. Might be thinking of  ohioNov 03 22:29
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fewaawesome map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpgNov 03 22:30
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fewameh the wiki page got rid of the great chart on immigrationNov 03 22:31
schestowitzGreat mapNov 03 22:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google Wave & other Google news : http://tinyurl.com/yg29qyt #google #wave #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #linuxNov 03 22:32
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schestowitzNot sure how accurate it is based on imcomplete censusNov 03 22:32
fewanot incompleteNov 03 22:32
schestowitz_goblin: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d86faf0eff41b998 http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-359925.htmlNov 03 22:32
fewamain inaccuracy would be self-reportingNov 03 22:32
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fewaIMHONov 03 22:33
fewaso mixedNov 03 22:33
fewaalso, doesn't say how strong the dominent group isNov 03 22:33
fewaif they are really dominentNov 03 22:33
schestowitzMelting potNov 03 22:33
schestowitzBut it doesn't melt so wellNov 03 22:33
fewamelting pot is a way to disparage diversityNov 03 22:33
fewa"melting pot"Nov 03 22:33
fewato encourage integrationNov 03 22:34
schestowitzThey tend to segregate in communityNov 03 22:34
schestowitz*tiesNov 03 22:34
fewaintegration in the corporate factory modelNov 03 22:34
fewaCanada explicitly refutes "melting pot" notions Nov 03 22:34
fewaand supports "cultural diversity"Nov 03 22:35
cubezzzToronto is very multi-culturalNov 03 22:35
fewasame with VancouverNov 03 22:35
cubezzzbut we are also are dominated by the Big M :-/Nov 03 22:35
fewaM?Nov 03 22:35
cubezzzMicrosoft :)Nov 03 22:36
fewaahh that C# deal the the universityNov 03 22:36
fewa*with theNov 03 22:36
cubezzzbut on the plus side, Microsoft can't fight FOSS very wellNov 03 22:37
fewaschestowitz, see the Oklahoma indian population in the map?Nov 03 22:37
cubezzzcan't buy them out, can't undercut themNov 03 22:37
fewathat because of Andrew Jackson's trail of tearsNov 03 22:37
fewaestablished Oklahoma as a "reserve" Nov 03 22:37
fewawhich was later opened upNov 03 22:37
cubezzzok, in US the term is Native American, not Indian :)Nov 03 22:37
cubezzzIndians live in IndiaNov 03 22:38
fewanative americanNov 03 22:38
cubezzzin Canada we say First NationsNov 03 22:38
fewayou canadians are more politically correctNov 03 22:38
fewayesNov 03 22:38
schestowitzfewa: BTW...Nov 03 22:38
schestowitzre Conversations with HistoryNov 03 22:38
schestowitzHarry says at the end, well, adding questions like, "if people find this tapes, what do you want them to remember of you?"Nov 03 22:39
cubezzzactually Canada gives abuot 2 Billion dollars to First Nations each yearNov 03 22:39
schestowitzI guess this is why I assumed he does over 80s...Nov 03 22:39
fewaschestowitz, yeah the tone pushes that wayNov 03 22:40
schestowitzcubezzz: do you know the first nations site?Nov 03 22:40
schestowitzI'm sort of friends with the guy who runs itNov 03 22:40
schestowitzHe used to be in the same newsgroupNov 03 22:40
cubezzzassembly of First Nations?Nov 03 22:40
fewakinda like: "if this institution (the elites) reject changing policy, we can at least record it in a archive somewhere"Nov 03 22:41
schestowitzcubezzz: lots of resources/capita in CANov 03 22:41
cubezzzhttp://www.afn.ca/  ...or?Nov 03 22:41
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schestowitzJust don't blow it on NAFTA :-)Nov 03 22:41
fewaie ''your' policiesNov 03 22:41
schestowitzcubezzz: nope, nmNov 03 22:41
fewacubezzz, alot of that is due to legal wrangling by the tribesNov 03 22:41
cubezzzthey got some CasinosNov 03 22:42
schestowitzYuck. CasinosNov 03 22:42
fewathe Casinos here are so corruptNov 03 22:42
schestowitzI was in one in MotrealNov 03 22:42
fewathe financing of themNov 03 22:42
fewaand how little is spread democraticallyNov 03 22:42
cubezzzyeah, not really ideal :-/Nov 03 22:42
schestowitzMontreal is very FrenchNov 03 22:42
fewaand Casinos are a tax on the poorNov 03 22:42
fewapoor and middle classNov 03 22:42
schestowitzPoor and foolishNov 03 22:43
schestowitzCaptivated by fantasy adsNov 03 22:43
fewapoor and boredNov 03 22:43
cubezzzyes, and probably weak in math :)Nov 03 22:43
schestowitzAnd dreams of riches... lottery tooNov 03 22:43
fewaemptynessNov 03 22:43
cubezzzdon't buy 649 tickets :)Nov 03 22:43
fewaschestowitz, I dont think really foolishNov 03 22:43
schestowitzSome do their gambling in sportsNov 03 22:43
schestowitzBetting on horsies and chaps kicking a rubber ball aboutNov 03 22:43
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schestowitzfewa: gullibleNov 03 22:43
fewaschestowitz, noNov 03 22:44
schestowitzMany people who invested in FraudStreet were gullible tooNov 03 22:44
fewagambling is a human conditionNov 03 22:44
schestowitzThe insider trader told them it was easy moneyNov 03 22:44
schestowitzThen they pulled the rugNov 03 22:44
fewathe rich just do it "the adult way" with the stock markeyNov 03 22:44
fewaor with human lives....Nov 03 22:44
schestowitzMarkey Markey  ! :-)Nov 03 22:44
fewaEdward MarkeyNov 03 22:45
fewaChair of the House Commerce and Energy committeeNov 03 22:45
cubezzzremember though Gates and Buffet made their money from stocks mostlyNov 03 22:45
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzY2NwNov 03 22:45
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schestowitzmandriva 2010.0 is out alsoNov 03 22:45
fewafrom Beverly HillsNov 03 22:45
fewavery powerfulNov 03 22:45
schestowitzThose powerfuls are usually feebleNov 03 22:45
fewapart of the campaign to pretend meaningless health legislation as realNov 03 22:45
schestowitzThey compensate for physical weakness using other meansNov 03 22:46
fewaretracting support for single payer, medicare for all, hr 676Nov 03 22:46
schestowitzRevenge of the GeeksNov 03 22:46
fewato push a "industry-friendly" healthcareNov 03 22:46
fewaThe reservations in the US are a horrible failureNov 03 22:46
fewafrom what little I seeNov 03 22:46
fewawith probably one exception: they have health careNov 03 22:47
cubezzzdoesn't account for Ballmer thoughNov 03 22:47
cubezzzhe seems power crazedNov 03 22:47
fewacubezzz, that's all he hasNov 03 22:47
fewaall he ever has hadNov 03 22:47
fewajust happened to be in same room as BillGNov 03 22:47
fewaat HarvardNov 03 22:47
fewanot a computer personNov 03 22:48
cubezzzyesNov 03 22:48
cubezzzPHB without the hairNov 03 22:48
fewathats why he never sells stocksNov 03 22:48
fewaits an extention of his person, his egoNov 03 22:48
fewaa real believer in business class societyNov 03 22:49
cubezzzwhich one was the guy who talked about "de-commoditizing protocols"Nov 03 22:49
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fewacubezzz, that was a grunt, but such thinking seems pervasive among the whole upper managementNov 03 22:50
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fewahttp://catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.htmlNov 03 22:51
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cubezzzah, I see now it was Vinod ValloppillilNov 03 22:51
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cubezzzan Allchin requested itNov 03 22:52
cubezzzandNov 03 22:52
fewahttp://www.vinod.com/blog/Nov 03 22:53
cubezzzwell Allchin was/is quite nastyNov 03 22:53
cubezzzbut I don't think he's at Microsoft nowNov 03 22:53
fewastill saw the writings on the wallNov 03 22:53
fewahttp://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/010807/PLEX_7264.pdfNov 03 22:54
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cubezzzfewa, checking nowNov 03 22:54
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schestowitzcubezzz: allchin 'retired'Nov 03 22:56
schestowitz!google guiter allchinNov 03 22:56
phIRCe-local[1] - Guitar news: Rosensweig to Guitar Hero, Allchin strums Enigma ... | http://blogs.computerworld.com/guitar_news_rosensweig_to_guitar_hero_allchin_strums_enigmaNov 03 22:56
phIRCe-local[2] - Jim Allchin - Press | http://www.jimallchin.com/press.cfmNov 03 22:56
phIRCe-local[3] - Jim Allchin - From starving musician to Longhorn vice president ... | http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/scobleizer/Jim-Allchin-From-starving-musician-to-Longhorn-vice-president/Nov 03 22:56
phIRCe-local[4] - CDBaby | Jim Allchin | Enigma | http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/allchinNov 03 22:56
schestowitzOther Vista managers quit tooNov 03 22:56
schestowitzFathiNov 03 22:57
cubezzzlonghorn makes me think about devilss with pitchforks :)Nov 03 22:57
schestowitzPooleNov 03 22:57
schestowitzValentineNov 03 22:57
schestowitzcubezzz: they decided to stick a fork in itNov 03 22:57
schestowitzIt was friedNov 03 22:57
schestowitzAnd longhorn was one big bulls*itNov 03 22:57
schestowitzLonhorn->VIsta7Nov 03 22:57
cubezzzI hope Allchin remains a musicianNov 03 22:57
schestowitzStill a messNov 03 22:57
schestowitzI hope they take Jim Allchin to prisonNov 03 22:58
schestowitzThe evidence is all theeNov 03 22:58
schestowitz*thereNov 03 22:58
cubezzzwhy would a Musician become such a power monger?Nov 03 22:58
cubezzzanyway, I think Linux is strong enough to flourishNov 03 23:00
cubezzzit has alreadyNov 03 23:00
schestowitzcubezzz: he's not a musicianNov 03 23:00
schestowitzhe came from semi conductors IIRCNov 03 23:00
schestowitzSomething texas-like Intel-ish thingNov 03 23:00
schestowitzIt's on the Web.. his biographyNov 03 23:00
schestowitzMicrosoft snatched him many years agoNov 03 23:01
schestowitzHe was ruthless enough for them, I guessNov 03 23:01
schestowitz"We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger….If you’re going to kill someone, there isn’t much reason to get all worked up about it and angry. You just pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger." -Jim AllchinNov 03 23:01
schestowitzTell Mrs. Allchin to hide the kitchen knives :-)Nov 03 23:01
cubezzzwhy would Novell even partner with Microsoft then?Nov 03 23:01
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cubezzzschestowitz. http://www.jimallchin.com/fr_press.cfmNov 03 23:03
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cubezzzhe does seem to really be a musicianNov 03 23:03
schestowitzcubezzz: that was old NovellNov 03 23:04
schestowitzHovsepian in young and naive at NovellNov 03 23:04
schestowitzHe came from I.B.MNov 03 23:04
schestowitzClean slateNov 03 23:04
schestowitzThey signed the deal shortly after Noorda had passed awayNov 03 23:05
cubezzzlet me look at the last 5 years of stock prices for NOVLNov 03 23:05
cubezzzcould be interestingNov 03 23:05
cubezzzstock is quite low at around 4 dollars per share nowNov 03 23:06
schestowitzIt was under $3Nov 03 23:07
fewaAllchin's account of his own early history http://www.jimallchin.com/history.cfmNov 03 23:08
cubezzzyeah stock price has been falling mostlyNov 03 23:08
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cubezzzpeaked at 33.375 in Jan 2000Nov 03 23:08
cubezzzdoesn't seem like the Microsoft deal helped themNov 03 23:10
cubezzzeveryone seems to go crazy around 2000Nov 03 23:11
cubezzzSUN peaked Sept 2000Nov 03 23:11
fewaschestowitz, its that interview that lessig quoted in his talksNov 03 23:13
fewai just heard the words quotedNov 03 23:14
fewa~32-35Nov 03 23:16
fewa"the world is changing out there"Nov 03 23:17
fewa~36:00Nov 03 23:17
cubezzz"LH is a pig"Nov 03 23:22
fewadugNov 03 23:23
cubezzzthat really means Allchin thinks Vista is a pig?Nov 03 23:23
fewa*duhNov 03 23:23
fewayesNov 03 23:23
fewaits obvious to anyone not on Microsoft payrollNov 03 23:23
fewain the first 5 minutes of a reviewNov 03 23:23
cubezzzThe guy in charge thought it was crap :)Nov 03 23:24
cubezzzfunnyNov 03 23:24
fewameh that EW interview was largely a recap of the middle clas speechNov 03 23:27
fewabut without the good diagrams and slidesNov 03 23:27
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