| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is ludicrous: http://is.gd/4S8SU if you care about security, you don't run windows. if you run windows, you don't care about security. | Nov 11 00:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Possibly the most picky bug I've raised, and I can see grounds for it being rejected, but what the hell.. http://bit.ly/hmzff | Nov 11 00:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] (U) :'( | Nov 11 00:23 | |
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| _Hicham_ | http://www.schestowitz.com | Nov 11 00:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @cynthiaboaz: Progressives, Obama didn't abandon us, we abandoned him. Movements aren't led by presidents, they lead presidents. #hcr #p2 | Nov 11 00:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A look at Chromium so far! (build 4.0.242.0) http://tinyurl.com/yh29fx8 #ie8 #google #chromium #foss #browser | Nov 11 00:37 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey _Hicham_ | Nov 11 01:07 |
| _Hicham_ | hi Lord Schestowitz ! | Nov 11 01:08 |
| schestowitz | fewa just showed me this.. http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/faultlines/2009/08/20098198463647133.html | Nov 11 01:08 |
| _Hicham_ | why don't u grow a beard ? | Nov 11 01:08 |
| schestowitz | But it's a tad boring. | Nov 11 01:08 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I can't, my skin gets kind of itchy | Nov 11 01:08 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : afghanistan is worse than iraq | Nov 11 01:09 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u watch aljazeera ? | Nov 11 01:11 |
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| fewa | the cost is over $300 Billion | Nov 11 01:17 |
| fewa | so far | Nov 11 01:17 |
| fewa | and there is little discussion of this | Nov 11 01:18 |
| fewa | its a taboo subject | Nov 11 01:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Golly, Google release a new open source programming language called "Go". http://bit.ly/33KuMs http://golang.org/ | Nov 11 01:19 | |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: nope, I don't | Nov 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | fewa: what's at stake anyway? | Nov 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | 9/11 didn't come from Afghanistan | Nov 11 01:25 |
| fewa | military $$$$? | Nov 11 01:25 |
| fewa | I honestly have no idea | Nov 11 01:25 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Osama helped fund it, but he too was not even from that country | Nov 11 01:25 |
| fewa | The US has surrounded Iran | Nov 11 01:25 |
| fewa | that could be part of it | Nov 11 01:25 |
| schestowitz | 9/11 was not a Taliban thing... nor an Iraqi thing | Nov 11 01:25 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : don't have time to watch it ? | Nov 11 01:26 |
| fewa | with all that election interventionism their is a targeting on Iran | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | It seems like they just conveniently took old plans off the shelf | Nov 11 01:26 |
| fewa | But I doubt congress would go along with such a horrible thing | Nov 11 01:26 |
| fewa | It would be far more bloody than what has already happened | Nov 11 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Big weapons, big money... | Nov 11 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | If you don't blow up the bombs you needn' manufacture more | Nov 11 01:28 |
| schestowitz | "Jobless recovery... | Nov 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Oxymoron, but..... | Nov 11 01:29 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/29/fmr_un_weapons_inspector_scott_ritter | Nov 11 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | New slogan: Save American jobs, make war | Nov 11 01:29 |
| fewa | We certainly do not want more to have nuclear weapons | Nov 11 01:29 |
| fewa | but you have to put yourself in Iran's position | Nov 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | It depresses me just to think about it... (nuclear wars) | Nov 11 01:30 |
| fewa | Its a nation that only 20 years ago has a revolution throwing off a US-sponsored regime | Nov 11 01:30 |
| fewa | You have the United States with troops on both sides | Nov 11 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Shah? | Nov 11 01:30 |
| fewa | (Iraq and Afghanistan) | Nov 11 01:30 |
| fewa | schestowitz, yes | Nov 11 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I watched a BBC documentary about it last week | Nov 11 01:30 |
| schestowitz | There have been many cronies there :-) | Nov 11 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Conystan :-) | Nov 11 01:31 |
| fewa | hopefully some sane thinking will permeate through in wake of tragedies like at Fort Hood | Nov 11 01:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR sez he lives in "Absurdistan" | Nov 11 01:31 |
| fewa | that the recism the media is injecting into it will proove superficial to them | Nov 11 01:32 |
| fewa | and the very real PTSD will start reigning home | Nov 11 01:32 |
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| fewa | A whole new generation of homeless, mentally disturbed veterans is being created | Nov 11 01:33 |
| fewa | "shell shock" | Nov 11 01:33 |
| BnLfreak | agreed. | Nov 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | What bothers me, fewa, is the chracterisations | Nov 11 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Stereotypes of world's Muslims as religious fanatics. They use stigmas. | Nov 11 01:35 |
| fewa | schestowitz, yes | Nov 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Not fair, IMHO. My friends who are Muslims are nothing like that, and by playing the games with images they only alienate more people and then terrorise them | Nov 11 01:36 |
| fewa | we need more muslims in the US | Nov 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Surveillance too can be terrorising | Nov 11 01:36 |
| fewa | it would make a difference | Nov 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | But it's a real issue in some cases | Nov 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Hussein Obama? | Nov 11 01:36 |
| fewa | lol | Nov 11 01:37 |
| fewa | yes, actually, that helps | Nov 11 01:37 |
| schestowitz | It's funny when WhiteTrashTV speaks to some of the extreme Republicans who think Obama is part of some Taliban plot or something | Nov 11 01:37 |
| fewa | even if he is not muslim, his father was | Nov 11 01:37 |
| schestowitz | He's an atheist | Nov 11 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Though he can't say it | Nov 11 01:38 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0 | Nov 11 01:38 |
| schestowitz | In the US it's an abomination not to do the whole "swear on the book" thing upon inauguration | Nov 11 01:38 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, its tradition | Nov 11 01:38 |
| schestowitz | It's ironic because this ritual is against the constitution AFAIK | Nov 11 01:38 |
| schestowitz | fewa: not sure. | Nov 11 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Some words were added later | Nov 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Separation b/w church and state is important, but.. | Nov 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | THe class of quacks usually separates the people at the top and the masses | Nov 11 01:39 |
| fewa | I think fundamentalist voices will become more and move irrelevant | Nov 11 01:39 |
| fewa | esp with depression | Nov 11 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Clergy is used as a bridge... between man and man in the sky...not peasants and rulers | Nov 11 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Irrelevant? No. | Nov 11 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Opposite. | Nov 11 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Depends whose fundamentalism | Nov 11 01:40 |
| fewa | depends how history happens | Nov 11 01:40 |
| schestowitz | E.g. constitutional fundamentals? | Nov 11 01:40 |
| fewa | schestowitz, good point | Nov 11 01:41 |
| fewa | look at FDR | Nov 11 01:41 |
| fewa | fundamentalism must either take grasp or it disappears | Nov 11 01:41 |
| fewa | must hold to power | Nov 11 01:42 |
| fewa | thats what Bush tried to do | Nov 11 01:42 |
| fewa | unsuccessfully | Nov 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | What does fundamentalist really mean? | Nov 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | It got associated with "terrorist" | Nov 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Orwell talked about how words get invalidated in this way | Nov 11 01:42 |
| fewa | Orwellianist destroys apt adjectives | Nov 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Like propaganda->PR (Bernays) | Nov 11 01:42 |
| fewa | *ism | Nov 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Well, Bush is another story, fewa | Nov 11 01:43 |
| schestowitz | He took the constitution to the bathroom when he had no toilet paper left | Nov 11 01:43 |
| fewa | schestowitz, but you cannot deny that there was an attempt to tie itsself to Christian fundamentalists | Nov 11 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Remember what GWB said: | Nov 11 01:43 |
| schestowitz | "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists" | Nov 11 01:44 |
| fewa | a corrupted Christianity | Nov 11 01:44 |
| fewa | exactly | Nov 11 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Meaning: as a US citizens, if you disagree with the leader, you are a terrorist | Nov 11 01:44 |
| schestowitz | That was an insane statement | Nov 11 01:44 |
| fewa | the fact that we are talking about how unconstitutional it was shows that it failed | Nov 11 01:44 |
| cubezzz | even Lucas made a comment on that in ROTT | Nov 11 01:44 |
| schestowitz | You mean, mercenaries? | Nov 11 01:44 |
| fewa | noone talks that way about Hitler's regime | Nov 11 01:44 |
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| cubezzz | ROTS rather | Nov 11 01:45 |
| fewa | that killing millions violated the Weimar Republic's constitution | Nov 11 01:45 |
| fewa | you see how the frame of debate is important? | Nov 11 01:45 |
| schestowitz | millions? | Nov 11 01:45 |
| tessier | http://lwn.net/Articles/361314/ | Nov 11 01:45 |
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| fewa | You know more than me how many combat deaths | Nov 11 01:46 |
| fewa | halocaust 9,000,000 right? | Nov 11 01:46 |
| fewa | Bad metaphore | Nov 11 01:46 |
| cubezzz | 6 to 9 million | Nov 11 01:46 |
| cubezzz | depending on where you read | Nov 11 01:47 |
| fewa | anyways, if rule of law is established, then we talk about how unruly it was | Nov 11 01:47 |
| fewa | but if it collapses, its simply forgotten | Nov 11 01:47 |
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| fewa | the law that is | Nov 11 01:47 |
| fewa | the depravity speaks for itsself | Nov 11 01:47 |
| cubezzz | everything has greatly improved since WWII | Nov 11 01:47 |
| cubezzz | I'm not old enough to fully appreciate it, but I've talked to others who are | Nov 11 01:48 |
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| fewa | cubezzz, your in toronto right? | Nov 11 01:48 |
| cubezzz | no, but I'm fairly close | Nov 11 01:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Mail Servers Spread http://ur1.ca/fjf7 http://ur1.ca/fjf8 | Nov 11 01:50 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @tctovsli: Why is it called "reboot wednesday"? Windows users have to reboot every day! !linux | Nov 11 01:50 | |
| cubezzz | three consecutive extremely bad events: | Nov 11 01:52 |
| cubezzz | WWI, Depression, WWII | Nov 11 01:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Novell: Misleading us again. The potential customers caring about patents steered clear. http://bit.ly/rf6h5 #Novell Microsoft | Nov 11 01:52 | |
| cubezzz | nothing since then can really compare | Nov 11 01:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gallium3D DRI Done in #Linux #Kernel Space, #Reiser4 Likely Coming http://ur1.ca/fjfn http://ur1.ca/fjfo | Nov 11 01:53 | |
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| cubezzz | it's just nowadays you instantly hear any negative news, and the positive news doesn't get as much attention | Nov 11 01:53 |
| cubezzz | looking at newspapers all the way back to the 1930's it was similar | Nov 11 01:55 |
| schestowitz | tessier: last year when Novell 'celebrated' ComputerWorld put in many quotes from me, but this time it's Eric Lai; he's pro-Microsoft | Nov 11 01:55 |
| cubezzz | bad news on the front page | Nov 11 01:55 |
| towel42 | I concede. Doesn't it have something to do with the fact that they won't keep you if they're not scaring you? | Nov 11 01:55 |
| cubezzz | but of course the 1930's were depression era | Nov 11 01:55 |
| tessier | Wow, someone still working on reiser4? | Nov 11 01:56 |
| fewa | "The first Bush administration was way off the spectrum, America's prestige sank to a historic low and the people who run the country didn't like that." - CHomsky | Nov 11 01:56 |
| tessier | Fortunately the US overthrows their government every 4 years more or less. | Nov 11 01:56 |
| fewa | cubezzz, while not wrong about progress, your view is simplistic | Nov 11 01:56 |
| tessier | We'll see how things do from here. It won't change overnight. Too big a ship to change so fast. | Nov 11 01:57 |
| fewa | thats it just about what is being reported | Nov 11 01:57 |
| tessier | change course, that is | Nov 11 01:57 |
| *tessier mixes metaphors | Nov 11 01:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Environment 3.0 Less Than a Year Away http://ur1.ca/fjft http://ur1.ca/fjfu | Nov 11 01:57 | |
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| fewa | <tessier> Fortunately the US overthrows their government every 4 years more or less. | Nov 11 01:57 |
| fewa | far from it | Nov 11 01:57 |
| ThistleWeb | a change in govt gives the illusion that change will happen, when in reality the corps control policy, and both parties | Nov 11 01:58 |
| ThistleWeb | it's just a different name on the door and the peeps think it means something | Nov 11 01:58 |
| fewa | Just look at war | Nov 11 01:58 |
| fewa | When "Republicans" in power, the Republicans are the war party | Nov 11 01:58 |
| ThistleWeb | it makes peeps feel better to think they chose a new set of masters | Nov 11 01:58 |
| fewa | When "Democrats" take power, they become the war party | Nov 11 01:58 |
| ThistleWeb | it makes them think it's a proper democracy because they chose it | Nov 11 01:59 |
| fewa | there was an incredible amount of fandangling towards progressive democrats over the war approiations bill | Nov 11 01:59 |
| fewa | which had a hate crimes rider | Nov 11 01:59 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, Democrats blame Bush | Nov 11 01:59 |
| schestowitz | It's the blame game | Nov 11 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Bad economy? Bush blames Clinton | Nov 11 02:00 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, few vote | Nov 11 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Never mind increasing debt | Nov 11 02:00 |
| fewa | US has some of the lowest turnouts of western democracy | Nov 11 02:00 |
| fewa | and the numbers reported are highly misleading | Nov 11 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Obama passed whatever bailout was needed after Bush | Nov 11 02:00 |
| schestowitz | And the wars are "Bush's fault" | Nov 11 02:00 |
| ThistleWeb | most peeps see lying scumbags on all sides, that voting changes nothing | Nov 11 02:00 |
| fewa | they report the percentage _of those who have registered_ | Nov 11 02:00 |
| fewa | which is generally about half of those eligible | Nov 11 02:00 |
| ThistleWeb | they see the effect without understanding why | Nov 11 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Either way, puppet higher up are happy because it's always "change" compared to previous regime | Nov 11 02:00 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, there are many notable exceptions | Nov 11 02:00 |
| fewa | however | Nov 11 02:01 |
| schestowitz | GWB was also blaming Clinton for attacks from the middle east | Nov 11 02:01 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJqnWIQ3o1c | Nov 11 02:02 |
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| cubezzz | well the banks guys with the sub-prime mortgages.... | Nov 11 02:05 |
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| cubezzz | I didn't understand that at all | Nov 11 02:05 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Microsoft violates GPL again : http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4489 | Nov 11 02:10 | |
| oiaohm | Death of closed source by 1000 cuts. | Nov 11 02:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Future Seen as Positive for #RedHat http://ur1.ca/fjgo http://ur1.ca/fjgp | Nov 11 02:12 | |
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| cubezzz | any stock holders here? :) | Nov 11 02:13 |
| schestowitz | Penny stocks for most.... all that's left are the big corporations... those entering the indexes | Nov 11 02:15 |
| cubezzz | what does "getting sanwiched" mean? | Nov 11 02:16 |
| fewa | schestowitz, thats what "blue chips" are :P | Nov 11 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: in the context of IT? | Nov 11 02:17 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 11 02:18 |
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| cubezzz | people reverse engineered a lot of stuff | Nov 11 02:19 |
| cubezzz | it's a huge pain, but doable | Nov 11 02:20 |
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| cubezzz | ok, I get it now, I suspected it actually | Nov 11 02:22 |
| cubezzz | a perpetual software/hardware upgrade cycle | Nov 11 02:22 |
| cubezzz | here's what I hope will happen: | Nov 11 02:24 |
| cubezzz | Linux adoption grows -> Hardware manufacturers write more Linux drivers -> More devices are supported | Nov 11 02:26 |
| oiaohm | That is already happening. | Nov 11 02:26 |
| cubezzz | many people are sharing programming information so... it seems it should happen | Nov 11 02:27 |
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| oiaohm | You really need to look at the developers who are joining the Linux kernel development teams over the last 12 months cubezzz | Nov 11 02:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Chip Types Support #Linux in #Android #Phones http://ur1.ca/fjhg http://ur1.ca/fjhi | Nov 11 02:29 | |
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| oiaohm | More and more of them are from hardware companies cubezzz | Nov 11 02:29 |
| cubezzz | that sounds good | Nov 11 02:29 |
| oiaohm | There will of course be some out siders. | Nov 11 02:30 |
| oiaohm | One of the biggest out siders comeing into the Linux kernel group next year is google itself cubezzz | Nov 11 02:30 |
| cubezzz | HP needs to make their scanners compatible again | Nov 11 02:30 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Name suggestions for Fedora 13: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_13 | Nov 11 02:30 | |
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| cubezzz | yeah I'm basically bullish on Linux | Nov 11 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Google high end suppers have the same issues as lowly normal desktop users. | Nov 11 02:31 |
| cubezzz | I think a lot of people don't what to see Microsoft controlling everything | Nov 11 02:32 |
| cubezzz | The World > Microsoft | Nov 11 02:32 |
| oiaohm | You know you hear guys complaining about linux not having a constant kernel ABI for drivers. | Nov 11 02:32 |
| oiaohm | That problem MS people see. Is really causing groups like google to move there code mainline. | Nov 11 02:33 |
| cubezzz | it seems there's a fair amount of code that goes into limbo | Nov 11 02:33 |
| cubezzz | but that's the way it goes | Nov 11 02:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's #Linux #Smartphone is Released http://ur1.ca/fjhw http://ur1.ca/fjhx | Nov 11 02:34 | |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel merges over the last 12 have been ending lot of branches for good. | Nov 11 02:34 |
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| oiaohm | BKL push down is still not complete. They are just working on removing it from filesystem level now. | Nov 11 02:35 |
| oiaohm | limbo lost code is getting less cubezzz | Nov 11 02:35 |
| cubezzz | example: sharp zaurus (old linux code), kooka... | Nov 11 02:36 |
| cubezzz | of course I can still mod everything | Nov 11 02:36 |
| oiaohm | that is before the vortex started of 2.6 Linux kernel. | Nov 11 02:37 |
| oiaohm | 2.4 Linux kernels had a fairly stable kernel ABI. | Nov 11 02:37 |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/go-new-open-source-programming-language-from-google.ars O boy not another programming language. | Nov 11 02:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Go: new open source programming language from Google - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 46.74 KB | Nov 11 02:41 |
| _Hicham_ | I am trying to compile go language | Nov 11 02:43 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : did u try the go language ? | Nov 11 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Not yet _Hicham_ | Nov 11 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Its still a one way language. | Nov 11 02:44 |
| oiaohm | go code cannot be called cleanly from c or c++ | Nov 11 02:45 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, I see, though it is C base | Nov 11 02:45 |
| _Hicham_ | *based | Nov 11 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Ie it can call c without issue. | Nov 11 02:46 |
| oiaohm | We have had D Go.... and a whole stack of languges trying to solve the same problem. | Nov 11 02:47 |
| schestowitz | gn | Nov 11 02:47 |
| _Hicham_ | gn schestowitz | Nov 11 02:48 |
| cubezzz | seems like C is still the main language | Nov 11 02:48 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : is D language supported by gcc ? | Nov 11 02:48 |
| oiaohm | C or Forth cubezzz | Nov 11 02:48 |
| oiaohm | http://dgcc.sourceforge.net/ << old and not maintained _Hicham_ | Nov 11 02:51 |
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| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : good | Nov 11 02:52 |
| _Hicham_ | it is nice to see gcc support that range of languages | Nov 11 02:52 |
| oiaohm | http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cli.html << some you wish it did not _Hicham_ | Nov 11 02:54 |
| _Hicham_ | wow, it is supporting mono stuff | Nov 11 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Note that has cli to native binary. | Nov 11 02:56 |
| oiaohm | That is also not done joint with mono _Hicham_ | Nov 11 02:57 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, I know, it is separate | Nov 11 02:57 |
| _Hicham_ | but gnu stuff isn't like Mono stuff | Nov 11 02:57 |
| oiaohm | http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/ << The second .net engine. | Nov 11 02:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @philhenley #hcr debate in US gets confused between best research and development, which they have, and best #healthcare, which they don't | Nov 11 02:58 | |
| oiaohm | The second engine is fully under GPL unlike the mono fakeness. | Nov 11 02:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #healthcare research and development largely based on public funding http://ur1.ca/ffp4 Patent monopolies unnecessarily raise costs #hcr | Nov 11 03:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @slackadjuster: We ended slavery-for-profit, but we're confused about denying-care-for-profit? Someone help me out here? #hcr #tcot | Nov 11 03:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @singlepayer: @RepMikeRoss AR-4 is a member of the new #MisogynistDemocratParty #hcr #p2 http://twurl.nl/dee6rv special interest cash | Nov 11 03:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Why Patent Free Codecs Are Important | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yb36uan | Nov 11 03:27 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzY5MQ This is going to get interesting. | Nov 11 03:55 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] LOL :-), a very short preview of my upcomming song "Tales from the Dark Side: Microsoft - The Slog" http://tinyurl.com/ylmf7uk | Nov 11 04:36 | |
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| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : do u like the phoronix suite ? | Nov 11 04:48 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Phoenix hates the poor http://ur1.ca/fjnv | Nov 11 04:50 | |
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| oiaohm | Name anything else that is a cross platform benchmark to the level phoronix is _Hicham_ | Nov 11 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Really its not a case of like. There is really limited selections todo it _Hicham_ | Nov 11 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | bribing people with food to convert is not a new trick | Nov 11 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | churches have done it for years | Nov 11 04:55 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Beaker suspended from #school http://ur1.ca/fjo1 #muppets | Nov 11 04:55 | |
| DaemonFC | they get to proselytize while the hungry pour in | Nov 11 04:55 |
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| oiaohm | In this iraq war we have heard no complaints about sandline. | Nov 11 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | The church uses free health clinics and meals for the poor as a foot in the door tactic | Nov 11 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | they know that for a small down payment, you may become a dues-paying member of the church when things get better for you | Nov 11 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Next question why are churches having to do those things DaemonFC | Nov 11 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Scientology does fake charity to get subscribers too | Nov 11 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | like all those so-called "drug rehab clinics" | Nov 11 05:00 |
| oiaohm | Here you don't see churches doing health clinics | Nov 11 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, They wouldn't need to there | Nov 11 05:00 |
| oiaohm | Goverment here provides a base level of coverage. | Nov 11 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm talking about the United States, where you're either on a group insurance plan or you're fucked | Nov 11 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | an you may be fucked on a lot of insurance plans too | Nov 11 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | essentially, the US leaves the most vulnerable people in society to fend for themselves | Nov 11 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | while we dole out aide to other countries | Nov 11 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Same with free food for the poor that is directly linked to goverment. | Nov 11 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I say the foreign aide bullshit needs to stop until we take care of our own | Nov 11 05:02 |
| oiaohm | You cannot blame churches for taken up the slack. | Nov 11 05:02 |
| oiaohm | The important question is why is the slack there for the churches to take up. | Nov 11 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, they do the right thing for bad ulterior motives | Nov 11 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it's better than nobody doing a good thing | Nov 11 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The slack is there for a lot of reasons. | Nov 11 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ever heard of homeless vets? | Nov 11 05:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes DaemonFC | Nov 11 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | the government puts you through that shit and drives you insane and then throws you away | Nov 11 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | you spend the rest of your life sleeping under a bridge | Nov 11 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Problem here if that happens poplulation lines up to kill goverment. | Nov 11 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, They can't | Nov 11 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | they get their right to vote stolen by technicalities in the law | Nov 11 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans challenge their vote | Nov 11 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Blocking parmlent house with shit (cattle shit) was quite effective. | Nov 11 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly kill. Make them wish they were dead. | Nov 11 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Australians are fairly layed back but miss treating vets is a really bad thing for a goverment to do here. | Nov 11 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Mostly goes back to when the UK control australia and treated our soliders really baddly. There is zero tollerence for it. | Nov 11 05:07 |
| _Hicham_ | just tested go programming language | Nov 11 05:08 |
| _Hicham_ | succeded in compiling first example | Nov 11 05:08 |
| _Hicham_ | I think I am gonna package it properly to give it a try | Nov 11 05:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Now it confirmed. Yeddyurappa and Reddy Bothers are in VS Achuthanandan -Pinarayi Vijayan Game. http://tr.im/EICY | Nov 11 05:09 | |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : can't u become the president of the US ? | Nov 11 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, No, I'm not constitutionally eligible | Nov 11 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 11 05:12 |
| _Hicham_ | why ? | Nov 11 05:12 |
| _Hicham_ | u r not a US citizen ? | Nov 11 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not 35 years old | Nov 11 05:12 |
| oiaohm | Ok what the heck does that have todo with anythign DaemonFC | Nov 11 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | I could run for the House of Representatives | Nov 11 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | the minimum age for that is 21 | Nov 11 05:13 |
| oiaohm | Ok insanity of the USA. | Nov 11 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The constitution says you have to be at least 35 years old to be the President | Nov 11 05:13 |
| oiaohm | Here there is techically no limit. | Nov 11 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | which also means you must be 35 to be the Vice President | Nov 11 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | because the VP has to meet the same eligibility criteria as the President | Nov 11 05:14 |
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| oiaohm | So far no one under 20 has run. | Nov 11 05:14 |
| oiaohm | So basically release a dease in the USA that killed everyone over 30 in the USA and you are screwed ? | Nov 11 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, To be a Senator you have to be 30 | Nov 11 05:15 |
| _Hicham_ | I will vote for oiaohm | Nov 11 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was wrong about the House btw | Nov 11 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | House minimum age is 25 | Nov 11 05:16 |
| oiaohm | More I hear about the USA system more the Nuts Australian system seams sound. | Nov 11 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | so I still would technically qualify | Nov 11 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Really its more important to have a max age than a Min. | Nov 11 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | I would also have to be 30 to be the governor of Indiana | Nov 11 05:17 |
| oiaohm | You don't want people in there with failing minds. | Nov 11 05:17 |
| fewa | oiaohm, problem is that life expectancies keep going up | Nov 11 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, To be an Indiana state senator, you only need to be 25 | Nov 11 05:18 |
| fewa | also, many old people have their mind till the day they die | Nov 11 05:18 |
| fewa | no matter how old they reach | Nov 11 05:18 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people lose the flexablity of there mind with age fewa | Nov 11 05:19 |
| fewa | not all however | Nov 11 05:20 |
| oiaohm | Ie still might be sane but no longer able to process new data as effectively. | Nov 11 05:20 |
| fewa | will development is much more predictable | Nov 11 05:20 |
| fewa | *while | Nov 11 05:20 |
| fewa | oiaohm, that is not neccicarily a bad thing | Nov 11 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | I've considered running for the state senate | Nov 11 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | the guy who has the seat now keeps running unopposed | Nov 11 05:20 |
| _Hicham_ | and why u didn't go for it ? | Nov 11 05:20 |
| oiaohm | It is a bad thing when a fast and correct desission has to be made fewa | Nov 11 05:20 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, first you have to ask weather the person currently in the seat is doing his job | Nov 11 05:21 |
| _Hicham_ | where is ur patriotism DaemonFC ? | Nov 11 05:21 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC can do better for sure | Nov 11 05:21 |
| oiaohm | Human body has limits due to aging. fewa | Nov 11 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, If you mean focusing on populist distractions instead of solving problems, then Senator Gary Dillon is doing a great job | Nov 11 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 11 05:21 |
| fewa | oiaohm, not if that person has a long honed strength on such issues | Nov 11 05:22 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, well then run! | Nov 11 05:22 |
| fewa | or figure out a platform first | Nov 11 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | my cat would make a better senator than him | Nov 11 05:22 |
| fewa | find some foes of him | Nov 11 05:22 |
| oiaohm | The big max age one is when cells stop replicating fewa. | Nov 11 05:22 |
| oiaohm | Maybe a dna test work out how many dna years you have left. | Nov 11 05:22 |
| oiaohm | For important officers. | Nov 11 05:23 |
| _Hicham_ | encoding DaemonFC.wmv to DaemonFC_Governor.Indiana | Nov 11 05:23 |
| _Hicham_ | encoding in progress | Nov 11 05:23 |
| fewa | oiaohm, Dingell, our longest serving Rep, understood Net Neutrality better than most http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_CGYBJ0S-U | Nov 11 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I'd make a great governor | Nov 11 05:23 |
| _Hicham_ | really ? | Nov 11 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | well, no worse than Mitch Daniels, anyway | Nov 11 05:23 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : where r u from ? | Nov 11 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Sure, I'm not a corrupt drug industry sycophant | Nov 11 05:24 |
| fewa | Because he had experience to remember carperfone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carterfone | Nov 11 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | Daniels is | Nov 11 05:24 |
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| oiaohm | Note most people will stop cell replication at about 100 to about 115 years old. But a percent of population will start at 60. fewa | Nov 11 05:24 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, pacific northwest US | Nov 11 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Most of the people in goverment are not that old | Nov 11 05:24 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : but u will kill a lot of races for sure | Nov 11 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | Mitch Daniels is constitutionally term limited and can't run again in 2012 | Nov 11 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | the Indiana constitution will finally rid us of that mistake | Nov 11 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 11 05:25 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : Alaska ? | Nov 11 05:25 |
| fewa | John Dingell has proposed a single payer health care bill every term in congress, continuing the legacy of his father | Nov 11 05:25 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, no | Nov 11 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | Michigan | Nov 11 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | seems fitting, all the really horrible shit happens in Michigan | Nov 11 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's like Mexico in the American midwest | Nov 11 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | 13% unemployment, drugs everywhere, high levels of violent crime | Nov 11 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | stores keep their merchandise 15 feet off the floor to prevent shoplifting | Nov 11 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | at least Indiana isn't that bad yet | Nov 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | we will be if layoffs keep up | Nov 11 05:28 |
| oiaohm | I guess no one has taken the complete shop yet. | Nov 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | you hear about more meth labs getting busted or blowing up, the more layoffs there are | Nov 11 05:28 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : have u been laid off ? | Nov 11 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | I have before, but it's been a while | Nov 11 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | like 2004 I think | Nov 11 05:29 |
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| DaemonFC | I had a new job before my unemployment checks started though | Nov 11 05:30 |
| _Hicham_ | how long have u been living on welfare ? | Nov 11 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: john dingell sounds like an awesome guy | Nov 11 05:39 |
| _Hicham_ | and Diablo-D3 sounds like a really bad guy :) | Nov 11 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, god forbid I donate money to ron paul's campaign | Nov 11 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, There's not law against wasting money | Nov 11 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | but I would ask that you waste it my way | Nov 11 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | *no | Nov 11 05:44 |
| _Hicham_ | wasting is bad | Nov 11 05:44 |
| _Hicham_ | especially the country's money | Nov 11 05:44 |
| _Hicham_ | people who steal the country's money should be executed | Nov 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, The Muslims want to execute everyone | Nov 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | they even kill each other | Nov 11 05:46 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : u r saying that because ur a thief | Nov 11 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | they want to kill all non-Muslims and then after that, they would kill anyone who they perceive as "less Muslim" | Nov 11 05:46 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why u fear execution | Nov 11 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | and then when there's only one person left, the human race would die out | Nov 11 05:46 |
| _Hicham_ | bravo DaemonFC | Nov 11 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I don't fear Muslims | Nov 11 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | they haven't really given me anything to be afraid of | Nov 11 05:47 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, who cares about u ? | Nov 11 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | the cold and flu season kills 13 times more Americans every year than 9/11 | Nov 11 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm 13 times more afraid of the cold and flu than I am of Muslims | Nov 11 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 11 05:48 |
| _Hicham_ | so, wear thick clothes | Nov 11 05:48 |
| _Hicham_ | better if they are bullet-proof | Nov 11 05:48 |
| _Hicham_ | since everybody has a gun in the US | Nov 11 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | actually, if you average it out over the last 10 years, the cold and flu season is more like 130 times as deadly than Muslim terrorists | Nov 11 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | more people probably die of falling out of bed each year than what the Muslim terrorists manage to kill | Nov 11 05:50 |
| _Hicham_ | what about American terrorists ? | Nov 11 05:50 |
| _Hicham_ | how much do they kill each day ? | Nov 11 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | nobody that I give a flying fuck about | Nov 11 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | I just kind of wish they'd take the gloves off and nuke the sons of bitches | Nov 11 05:51 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, then DaemonFC want to kill everybody who is not his race | Nov 11 05:51 |
| _Hicham_ | hitler would have been a good friend of yours | Nov 11 05:51 |
| _Hicham_ | u share the same ideas | Nov 11 05:51 |
| _Hicham_ | u r the hitler of the US | Nov 11 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | trying to get the Muslims to live up to a peace agreement is like trying to make friends with a bunch of snakes | Nov 11 05:52 |
| _Hicham_ | a hitler with a cat with him | Nov 11 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | cats kill snakes | Nov 11 05:52 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, u better train ur trolling capabilities | Nov 11 05:53 |
| _Hicham_ | ur really out of subjects | Nov 11 05:53 |
| _Hicham_ | after finishing the linux is clone of unix thing | Nov 11 05:53 |
| _Hicham_ | and kde vs gnome thing | Nov 11 05:53 |
| _Hicham_ | u try with racism | Nov 11 05:53 |
| _Hicham_ | no one will succeed | Nov 11 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME hasn't really done anything noteworthy in years | Nov 11 05:54 |
| _Hicham_ | u won't do a good troll, never | Nov 11 05:54 |
| _Hicham_ | u will die dreaming of become a troll | Nov 11 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | I kind of have a feeling that they aren't well staffed or funded these days | Nov 11 05:54 |
| _Hicham_ | r u staffed or funded ? | Nov 11 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | at least not well enough to do fundamental changes | Nov 11 05:55 |
| _Hicham_ | since ur rich, contribute | Nov 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | Novell going under probably has a lot to do with that | Nov 11 05:55 |
| _Hicham_ | how rich u are compared to Ballmer ? | Nov 11 05:55 |
| _Hicham_ | how much is ur fortune ? | Nov 11 05:55 |
| _Hicham_ | 1 million dollars ? | Nov 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I manage | Nov 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, The problem is that both parties are becoming too insane and corrupt to even believe | Nov 11 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I have to say that the biggest difference between them is that the Republicans scare me worse than the Democrats | Nov 11 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's an accomplishment considering how eager the Obama administration is to try and deny the Muslim terrorist attack of last week | Nov 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't want to hurt any feelings I guess | Nov 11 05:59 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC the troll, always wanted by the net patrol | Nov 11 06:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: why are you talking to yourself? | Nov 11 06:02 |
| _Hicham_ | gn | Nov 11 06:02 |
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| fewa | The Democrats use the Republicans to make excuses | Nov 11 06:20 |
| fewa | its good cop, bad cop | Nov 11 06:20 |
| fewa | to start with compramises | Nov 11 06:20 |
| fewa | becuause they dont really belive it | Nov 11 06:20 |
| fewa | they believe in the corporations instead | Nov 11 06:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: you do realize most of the channel has DaemonFC on ignore, right? | Nov 11 06:21 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, meh yeah | Nov 11 06:21 |
| fewa | ok, ignored again | Nov 11 06:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, above you, I have nearly a full screen of _hicham_ talking to himself | Nov 11 06:22 |
| fewa | probably better than the bigotry | Nov 11 06:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can already tell whatever he was talking about, it was dumbassery | Nov 11 06:22 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Broadcom Claims to Have Just Contributed to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/fjve | Nov 11 08:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Visual Tour of #OpenBSD 4.6 http://bit.ly/45EsCa | Nov 11 08:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SourceForge Becomes #Geeknet http://ur1.ca/fjvk http://ur1.ca/fjvl | Nov 11 08:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #ClimateChange and #tourism - Less Planes , Not More http://tr.im/EJ7w #coppenhagen #aviation #emissions #Maldives | Nov 11 09:02 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Climate justice and tourism Less planes, not more! | The Fish Pond .::. Size~: 75.16 KB | Nov 11 09:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Great song on SoundClick: Marti van Lin - "Tales of the Dark Side: Microsoft -The Slog". Listen now: http://tinyurl.com/yhnqobe | Nov 11 09:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software Company to Turn to #Torrent to Promote Itself http://bit.ly/27Z5d8 | Nov 11 09:09 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: RedLynx: We put Trials PC game on torrent sites // News .::. Size~: 20.49 KB | Nov 11 09:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies /Copyrights and Science Claims in Disharmony http://bit.ly/3KeeEx | Nov 11 09:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BMW Wants to Break the #Patent Systems, Apparently http://bit.ly/1oBKEk | Nov 11 09:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Protests Over #EIF Being Subverted by Proprietary Giants (and Lobbyists) http://ur1.ca/fjya | Nov 11 09:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is a Cancer That Attaches Itself to the #GPL http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29193/1090/ | Nov 11 09:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Update Problems Lead to Fury http://bit.ly/J7FSX | Nov 11 09:21 | |
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| schestowitz | brb | Nov 11 09:24 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Nov 11 09:32 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Register with nickserv to speak http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Nov 11 09:32 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Thu Nov 5 14:17:55 2009 | Nov 11 09:32 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Nov 11 09:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst oh, thanks for http://bit.ly/UAFyD why the picture, though? | Nov 11 09:41 | |
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| satipera | linux for the elderly http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8352606.stm | Nov 11 09:47 |
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| oiaohm | That IT wire one is worring. | Nov 11 09:49 |
| oiaohm | 30 lines of code is a big deal when it comes to GPL particularly with BSD precendent that damages can be payed in source code. | Nov 11 09:49 |
| oiaohm | 30 lines by the numbers of copies shiped is a huge ammount of code to pay to settle. | Nov 11 09:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz do think the picture is too rude? (Insulting to Gates?) | Nov 11 09:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz The picture is sort of "the sleve/cover". However if there is a reason to change it, just let me know. | Nov 11 10:25 | |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.the-source.com/2009/11/novells-dragoon-on-the-new-os-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-34 | Nov 11 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | Dragoon damage control... | Nov 11 10:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It’s About #Freedom , Not Mere Visibility of Code http://ping.fm/9vFFA | Nov 11 11:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Bada” Means #Microsoft #Patent Tax http://ping.fm/z0NZ2 #samsung #swpat | Nov 11 11:11 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: “Bada” Means Microsoft Patent Tax | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.59 KB | Nov 11 11:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 — Exactly like #Vista — Fails to Deliver Promised Upgrades http://ping.fm/r9QEk | Nov 11 11:29 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Vista 7 Exactly like Vista Fails to Deliver Promised Upgrades | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.44 KB | Nov 11 11:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "I love her and that's the beginning of everything." | Nov 11 12:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "The hottest love has the coldest end." | Nov 11 12:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Pleasure of love lasts but a moment, Pain of love lasts a lifetime." | Nov 11 12:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Love begins with a smile, grows with a kiss, and ends with a teardrop." | Nov 11 12:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Falling in love is awfully simple, but falling out of love is simply awful." | Nov 11 12:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Love is like a war:Easy to begin Hard to end!" | Nov 11 12:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Friends will keep you sane, Love could fill your heart, A lover can warm your bed, But lonely is the soul without a mate." | Nov 11 12:12 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: The Next Bill Gates, or the Next Tim B-L? - http://bit.ly/42RIBK what kind of future do we want? #billgates #timbl | Nov 11 12:16 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: open...: The Next Bill Gates, or the Next Tim B-L? .::. Size~: 93.42 KB | Nov 11 12:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Work Popular… in Microsoft Blogs http://ping.fm/g6VB6 #mono | Nov 11 12:18 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Novells Work Popular& in Microsoft Blogs | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.76 KB | Nov 11 12:18 |
| *zer0c00l thinks trmanco is in love with someone ;) | Nov 11 12:21 | |
| trmanco | yeah :S | Nov 11 12:21 |
| zer0c00l | trmanco: Great! | Nov 11 12:21 |
| trmanco | your absolutely correct | Nov 11 12:21 |
| trmanco | I'm not feeling that great right now :S | Nov 11 12:21 |
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| oiaohm | Really with how decomplierable .net is binarys can be searched for possiable breach locations. | Nov 11 12:29 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #go-nuts channel in freenode seems to be very busy :D www.golang.org #google #go #programming | Nov 11 12:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Alguem para me ouvir? | Nov 11 12:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] bem me parecia :S | Nov 11 12:47 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.. did identica go mad? http://identi.ca/schestowitz/all | Nov 11 12:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: schestowitz and friends - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 53.76 KB | Nov 11 12:48 |
| schestowitz | I get the messages shown in some other language and it's all black | Nov 11 12:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hmmmmmmm... why had #identica changed all my colours to black and language to Russian, apparently? Bug? | Nov 11 12:51 | |
| schestowitz | I see..... it got snapped onto Bulgarian. Weird.... | Nov 11 12:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.elpais.com/articulo/tecnologia/negociacion/secreta/acuerdo/mundial/copyright/alarma/internautas/elpeputec/20091109elpeputec_1/Tes | Nov 11 12:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: La negociación secreta de un acuerdo mundial sobre el 'copyright' alarma a los internautas · ELPAÍS.com .::. Size~: 98.94 KB | Nov 11 12:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.publictechnology.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=21812 "@Mark_Antony UK e-Government National Awards 2009 has an Open Source project in the finals - http://bit.ly/1d8KlA sign of the times" | Nov 11 13:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Finalists announced in the e-Government National Awards 2009 :: PublicTechnology.net :: e-Government & public sector IT news + job vacancies: .::. Size~: 75.59 KB | Nov 11 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.arabtimesonline.com/kuwaitnews/pagesdetails.asp?nid=38973&ccid=9 | Nov 11 13:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Arab Times :: E-fingerprinting eyed at all points of entry .::. Size~: 15.13 KB | Nov 11 13:02 |
| schestowitz | http://discovermagazine.com/2009/oct/06-brain-like-chip-may-solve-computers-big-problem-energy/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C= | Nov 11 13:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/help/abouts3.txt | Nov 11 13:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 11 13:05 |
| cubezzz | two words: AI Winter | Nov 11 13:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Very nice new images of Mars. http://ping.fm/x8JsS | Nov 11 13:12 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Martian landscapes - The Big Picture - Boston.com .::. Size~: 136.07 KB | Nov 11 13:12 |
| schestowitz | http://stream0.org/2009/11/ripping-cds-with-flac-best-com.html | Nov 11 13:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ripping CDs with FLAC - Best Compression Settings - Stream #0 .::. Size~: 23.1 KB | Nov 11 13:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=115210&lfe=1 | Nov 11 13:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MediaPost Publications 8% of Internet Users Account for 85% of all Clicks 10/13/2009 .::. Size~: 75.15 KB | Nov 11 13:18 |
| schestowitz | "The results of an update to the comScore highly publicized "Natural Born Clickers" research, conducted two years ago with Starcom USA and Tacoda, indicate that the number of people who click on display ads in a month has fallen from 32% of Internet users in July 2007 to only 16% in March 2009, with an even smaller core of people (representing 8% of the Internet user base) accounting for 85% of all clicks." | Nov 11 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Those brain guys are going around in circiles and don't know it. | Nov 11 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Last generation analog computers were very much like there ideas schestowitz | Nov 11 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Due to noise they would run multi lines to neturalise interference. | Nov 11 13:19 |
| oiaohm | biggest problem with analog computers is programing. | Nov 11 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | The poodle is only threatening Google... http://paidcontent.org/article/419-video-murdoch-making-news-invisible-to-search-engines-not-so-fast/ | Nov 11 13:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Geologists Vote that Peak Oil is a Concern - http://bit.ly/XH9G5 | Nov 11 13:33 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Oil Drum | Geologists Vote that Peak Oil is a Concern .::. Size~: 221.25 KB | Nov 11 13:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | get schestowitz | Nov 11 13:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats the name of that one law site that has all the foss shit | Nov 11 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Carr embraces the MAFIAA.. "But some of those memories are not sentimental distortions of the past but accurate records of experience. Taylor argues that, when it comes to music or any other form of art, the price of our "endless present" is the loss of a certain "magical power" that the artist was once able to wield over the audience. I suspect he's right." | Nov 11 13:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/11/be_everywhere_n_1.php | Nov 11 13:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Rough Type: Nicholas Carr's Blog: Be everywhere now .::. Size~: 30.77 KB | Nov 11 13:52 |
| cubezzz | http://www.groklaw.com/ | Nov 11 13:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 58.62 KB | Nov 11 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Groklaw? | Nov 11 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it, cubezzz | Nov 11 13:52 |
| schestowitz | But there are more, just less active ones | Nov 11 13:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah groklaw | Nov 11 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Innovation by acquisition? http://www.google.com/press/admob/ | Nov 11 13:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Facts about Google's acquisition of AdMob .::. Size~: 2.5 KB | Nov 11 13:54 |
| cubezzz | Odd that the WP case is still going | Nov 11 13:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I dont mind google buying things | Nov 11 13:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/423 | Nov 11 13:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sense About Science | Donate to the libel reform campaign .::. Size~: 28.44 KB | Nov 11 13:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: the only way to get innovators themselves is to buy them | Nov 11 13:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | you just have to make sure you _keep_ them | Nov 11 13:55 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: long live WordPerfect | Nov 11 13:55 |
| schestowitz | They still support ODF.. and PDF | Nov 11 13:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft fucked up by chasing them all away | Nov 11 13:55 |
| cubezzz | I hated WP :) | Nov 11 13:55 |
| schestowitz | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404 | Nov 11 13:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Armed and Dangerous » Blog Archive » Ego is for little people .::. Size~: 130.25 KB | Nov 11 13:59 |
| cubezzz | Did Microsoft try to kill WP? Probably | Nov 11 13:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] This is not over yet! | Nov 11 14:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New PC to encourage older users - Built on Linux http://tinyurl.com/yer3pex | Nov 11 14:06 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | Technology | New PC to encourage older users .::. Size~: 49.8 KB | Nov 11 14:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst it's an insult to osgeeks | Nov 11 14:15 | |
| schestowitz | Why smells from childhood mean so much http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18132-why-smells-from-childhood-mean-so-much.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news | Nov 11 14:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why smells from childhood mean so much - life - 10 November 2009 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 50.14 KB | Nov 11 14:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I'm crying again... | Nov 11 14:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I can't control it... | Nov 11 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0007783 | Nov 11 14:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: PLoS ONE: Biomechanics of Running Indicates Endothermy in Bipedal Dinosaurs .::. Size~: 134.36 KB | Nov 11 14:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Still crying... | Nov 11 14:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/11/philip-lindens-new-company.html | Nov 11 14:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New World Notes: Philip Rosedale Unveils New Company: "LoveMachine Inc" Offers AI, Destruction of the Ego, Lots of Money-Making .::. Size~: 59.59 KB | Nov 11 14:24 |
| *schestowitz passes trmanco binary tissue | Nov 11 14:25 | |
| *trmanco ouch | Nov 11 14:25 | |
| *trmanco but he says thanks | Nov 11 14:25 | |
| trmanco | :) | Nov 11 14:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/good_bloggers_make_good_neighbors_new_survey_shows.php | Nov 11 14:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/good_bloggers_make_good_neighbors_new_survey_shows.php Palo Alto Networks: Twitter Usage Soars in the Enterprise | Nov 11 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Nov 11 14:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/good_bloggers_make_good_neighbors_new_survey_shows.php | Nov 11 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Weird... doesn't paste right.. and won't accept phIRCe-local in | Nov 11 14:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I can't stop :S | Nov 11 14:32 | |
| schestowitz | Ah! :-) http://techdirt.com/articles/20091110/0741356873.shtml | Nov 11 14:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: An 'Aha Moment' About Ridiculous Trademarks, As Oprah And Mutual Of Omaha Fight Over 'Aha Moment' | Techdirt .::. Size~: 59.59 KB | Nov 11 14:43 |
| cubezzz | Archimedes would be displeased | Nov 11 14:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The real Swines of Swine Flu: "More Important Saving Lives From Swine Flu Or Protecting Roche's Monopoly?" http://ping.fm/jRB1E | Nov 11 14:51 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: More Important Saving Lives From Swine Flu Or Protecting Roche's Monopoly? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 90.71 KB | Nov 11 14:51 |
| schestowitz | "A local artist paints landscapes and various Austin sights, including the Texas Tower (the university’s main building). He must pay the university a flat fee per year for the right to sell paintings of university property, emblems, or even anything containing the burnt-orange color. All are copyrighted. Also, if his sales rise above a certain level, he must pay the university 10 percent of his extra revenue." | Nov 11 14:57 |
| schestowitz | http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/disneyland-and-the-texas-tower/ | Nov 11 14:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 11 14:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Breaking Benjamin - The Diary of Jane - Music Video" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g6s5r | Nov 11 15:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.7 KB | Nov 11 15:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/john_mueller_on_1.html | Nov 11 15:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Schneier on Security: John Mueller on Zazi .::. Size~: 47.19 KB | Nov 11 15:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] WYSIWYG ebook editor: This project looks nice.... GPLv3... http://ping.fm/fyPJt | Nov 11 15:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Something already got in the way... everything is broken now :'( | Nov 11 15:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Breaking Benjamin - The Diary of Jane - Music Video" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g6sb7 | Nov 11 15:04 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.7 KB | Nov 11 15:04 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8683 | Nov 11 15:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Health Choices Needed Now | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 25.14 KB | Nov 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | fewa: also http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125781425786840005.html?mod=rss_Today%27s_Most_Popular | Nov 11 15:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Catholic Church Emerges as Key Player in Legislative Battle - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 111.99 KB | Nov 11 15:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Breaking Benjamin - The Diary of Jane - Music Video" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g6sg2 | Nov 11 15:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] O "Date" fui eu................. | Nov 11 15:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I have nothing to hide no more... | Nov 11 15:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Tweets are now public again... | Nov 11 15:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Breaking Benjamin - The Diary of Jane - Music Video" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g6squ | Nov 11 15:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] I am going to see U2 360º Tour! They added another show and I just got tickets! http://bit.ly/28snde | Nov 11 15:17 | |
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| schestowitz | Re MS/Novell: "Just wait until this cozy little arrangement is no longer of any benefit to malevolent monster.... " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-10-025-35-NW-MS-NV-0000 | Nov 11 15:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Ya fui mesmo *eu* o "Date"... mas nao me arrependo de nada... | Nov 11 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-10-030-35-NW-KN-0000 "Why? What has Reiser4 to offer that the other filesystems available for Linux don't have? There is also the issue about using something put together by a convicted murderer." | Nov 11 15:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon uses #Linux but won't support Linux. http://ping.fm/EL1bH #fail | Nov 11 15:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Let There Be Light | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yfn3euu | Nov 11 15:36 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dear !java please join the ##java channel on #freenode to offset the fact that #go-nuts is almost to 400 people, Java people need to unite! | Nov 11 15:41 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/index.html | Nov 11 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Google's illusion of "community"......... http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140457/Google_strives_to_balance_commercial_community_with_Android | Nov 11 15:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Fox News is like a Jedi Mind Trick; it only works on the weak minded | Nov 11 15:53 | |
| amarsh04 | Do any of the open handset alliance members besides atheros have a commitment to their hardware specs being open and the code that runs it being gpl? | Nov 11 16:01 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Groklaw - Microsoft Patents Sudo?!! http://tinyurl.com/yhv9kmg | Nov 11 16:04 | |
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| schestowitz | MOG is still releasing her 'articles' as "press release" | Nov 11 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Cringely on News Corp: http://www.cringely.com/2009/11/news-corp-to-offer-plaid-stamps/ | Nov 11 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | Misuse of the term "hacker" http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/10/hacking-ring-indicted-for-9-million-fraud | Nov 11 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/41023 "Senor Miguel at it again... ...I'm gonna throw up, seriously." | Nov 11 16:42 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Damn! Say no to software patents RD: @glynmoody: Microsoft Patents Sudo?!! - http://bit.ly/15bnsK | Nov 11 17:06 | |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10394478-16.html More of a push for proprietary (Asay) | Nov 11 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/vadodara/MSU-BCA-students-Install-Fest-a-treat-for-IT-savvy/articleshow/5217063.cms | Nov 11 17:10 |
| zer0c00l | reading | Nov 11 17:10 |
| zer0c00l | Nice schestowitz :D | Nov 11 17:12 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] MS university, vadodara, GNU/Linux install fest covered in timesofindia http://tinyurl.com/ya9k66x !linux | Nov 11 17:16 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Matrox has 8 displays on one card http://ur1.ca/fjpk | Nov 11 17:46 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #NVIDIA has tablet, too bad NVIDIA is probably going under http://ur1.ca/fl08 | Nov 11 17:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] what about a @dantheman or @fabsh shaped inflatable furry? :)) | Nov 11 17:58 | |
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| _doug | Firefox Most Vulnerable Browser says Microsoft certified partner | Nov 11 18:11 |
| _doug | http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8489 | Nov 11 18:11 |
| _doug | http://www.cenzic.com/pr/20060718/ | Nov 11 18:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox most vulnerable browser, Safari close second .::. Size~: 21.17 KB | Nov 11 18:11 |
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| _doug | ? | Nov 11 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Nov 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | MS-certified | Nov 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | I knew something smelt funny | Nov 11 18:15 |
| _doug | Eight charged in $9.5m payment processor hack | Nov 11 18:15 |
| _doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/10/rbs_breach_indictment/ | Nov 11 18:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Eight charged in $9.5m payment processor hack • The Register .::. Size~: 29.56 KB | Nov 11 18:15 |
| _doug | what's phIRCe-local ? | Nov 11 18:16 |
| _doug | "The men .. are accused of gaining access to the RBS computer network and retrieving payment card data as they were being processed" | Nov 11 18:16 |
| _doug | What ever happened to end-to-end encryption, especially i n the aftermath of Heartland ? | Nov 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | _doug: it's a bot | Nov 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | _doug: any evidence of Windows? | Nov 11 18:18 |
| _doug | the article is a little short on details ... | Nov 11 18:19 |
| _doug | "Covelin identified a vulnerability that made it possible to illegally access the RBS network" | Nov 11 18:19 |
| _doug | Whatever, they should have spotted the hack - immediatly. | Nov 11 18:19 |
| _doug | Robbers are known to target banks, that's where al lthe money is :) | Nov 11 18:20 |
| _doug | "Covelin allegedly gave Pleshchuk a username and password for a server on the RBS network in Georgia. Once inside the RBS WorldPay network" | Nov 11 18:21 |
| _doug | http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/anatomy-rbs-worldpay-hack-111009 | Nov 11 18:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Anatomy of the RBS WorldPay Hack | threatpost .::. Size~: 45.59 KB | Nov 11 18:21 |
| _doug | "Pleschchuk and Tsurikov allegedly went back into RBS WorldPay's network to monitor the activity while the cashers were making their rounds, ensuring that the mules did their jobs" | Nov 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | _doug: they keep it quiet | Nov 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Security through obscurity | Nov 11 18:22 |
| _doug | "After the attack was over, Pleshchuk and Tsurikov allegedly went into the RBS WorldPay database logs and began deleting any information that would point to their scheme" | Nov 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | WHat dos RBS' site use? | Nov 11 18:22 |
| _doug | What good are log files that you can delete ??? | Nov 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | It's logs for the intruders | Nov 11 18:23 |
| schestowitz | To download and show off to mates | Nov 11 18:23 |
| _doug | I do know RBS standardized the backend o nMS some time ago ... | Nov 11 18:25 |
| _doug | ? | Nov 11 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Did they? | Nov 11 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Any link? | Nov 11 18:31 |
| _doug | not sure ... | Nov 11 18:31 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I'm slow cause I just posted http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/11/gnome-3-again/ | Nov 11 18:31 |
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| _doug | "At the back-end, RBS uses CSI’s Banktrade" | Nov 11 18:34 |
| _doug | http://www.ibspublishing.com/index.cfm?section=features&action=view&id=9686 | Nov 11 18:34 |
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| _doug | same-ole-same-ole ... | Nov 11 18:37 |
| _doug | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.rbsworldpay.com | Nov 11 18:37 |
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| _doug | Linux .. Apache ... | Nov 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, but that's not the same | Nov 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | It just shows preference on the Web side | Nov 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Where Apache is dominant | Nov 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | On the desktop it's opposite | Nov 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe terminals also | Nov 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Even if it was Red Hat they would probably say nuthin' | Nov 11 18:38 |
| _doug | "RBS Lynk is a single-source provider of electronic payment processing services (including credit, debit, EBT, gift cards, customer loyalty cards, checks and more). RBS Lynk utilizes proprietary technology providing scalability and superior service to its customers" | Nov 11 18:39 |
| _doug | http://www.internetretailer.com/internet/marketing-conference/54848-lynk-changes-company-name-rbs-lynk.html | Nov 11 18:39 |
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| _doug | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.rbslynk.com | Nov 11 18:40 |
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| _doug | unknown Microsoft-IIS/6.0 11-Nov-2009 | Nov 11 18:40 |
| _doug | same-ole-same-ole .... | Nov 11 18:40 |
| _doug | gtg ... | Nov 11 18:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #GNU #Linux Desktops Are "Very Liberating" http://bit.ly/4A9E99 | Nov 11 18:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is Not Just for "Geeks" http://bit.ly/1YpwPG | Nov 11 18:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Works Well Out of the Box When #Windows Fails http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4100 | Nov 11 18:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distro Guru: #Mandriva the Best #GNU #Linux Release of 2009 http://ur1.ca/fl9x | Nov 11 19:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME 3 Demonstrated in #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 http://ur1.ca/fl9r http://ur1.ca/fl9u | Nov 11 19:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Has Vista7 's “Aero Snap” http://bit.ly/14LFoY | Nov 11 19:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Artists and Testers Come Together http://ur1.ca/fla4 http://ur1.ca/fla5 | Nov 11 19:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Settop Box Uses #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 (Solid Koala) http://ur1.ca/fla6 | Nov 11 19:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Scientists surprised to find men are attracted to women with big tits http://notnews.today.com/?p=729 | Nov 11 19:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Any FOSS users who want to see a cracker, get a look at Richard on my blog. Class entertainment...he's very desperate... #microsoft #xp | Nov 11 19:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux a Key/Immediate Gainer Amid #Windows Losses in Phones http://ur1.ca/flam http://ur1.ca/flan | Nov 11 19:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Leads to "Frustration", #FreeBSD Tested as Replacement http://bit.ly/trbEn #bsd | Nov 11 19:19 | |
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| -phIRCe-local/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Leads to "Frustration", #FreeBSD Tested as Replacement http://bit.ly/trbEn #bsd | Nov 11 19:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Libre #Firefox #GNU #IceCat 3.5.5 is Released http://bit.ly/3dri84 | Nov 11 19:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open #Database Alliance Gains Some Momentum http://bit.ly/2QBCuB (via @ggreve ) | Nov 11 19:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Danish #Municipality Defends #OpenOffice .org Because of Savings http://ur1.ca/flbh | Nov 11 19:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Copyrights Harm/Cost #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/MBnI2 | Nov 11 19:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeDOS Project Tells Its Lessons, #Drupal Wins Awards http://ur1.ca/flca http://ur1.ca/flcb | Nov 11 19:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Indian #Universities Organise #Installfests for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/flce | Nov 11 19:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSFE Offers 36 Fellowship Grants; #Eclipse Foundation Speaks About Strategy http://ur1.ca/ffef http://ur1.ca/flci | Nov 11 19:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pressure on #Universities Grows to #Share Knowledge, Material http://ur1.ca/flck http://ur1.ca/flcl | Nov 11 19:36 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, DaemonFC. thanks for the advice yesterday, I passed it on | Nov 11 19:41 |
| jose_X | http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/32678/VIDEO-News-Corp-to-vanish-from-Google | Nov 11 19:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: VIDEO: News Corp to vanish from Google | PC Retail Industry | PCR .::. Size~: 41.34 KB | Nov 11 19:41 |
| schestowitz | \o/ | Nov 11 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Nov 11 19:42 |
| schestowitz | They should go further, jose | Nov 11 19:42 |
| jose_X | they want to add paywalls | Nov 11 19:42 |
| jose_X | >> “Well [people] shouldn’t have had it free all [this] time… we’ve been asleep. It costs us a lot of money to put together; good newspapers and good content.” | Nov 11 19:42 |
| jose_X | in the comments, someone mentioned ideas on the BBC being taken apart (I have no idea). | Nov 11 19:43 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 11 19:43 |
| jose_X | this was posted on linuxtoday: http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/32678/VIDEO-News-Corp-to-vanish-from-Google | Nov 11 19:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: VIDEO: News Corp to vanish from Google | PC Retail Industry | PCR .::. Size~: 41.34 KB | Nov 11 19:43 |
| jose_X | nope, sorry | Nov 11 19:43 |
| jose_X | ..this: http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/32696/New-PC-launched-for-older-users | Nov 11 19:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Valerie Singleton launches PC for the elderly | PC Retail Industry | PCR .::. Size~: 45.06 KB | Nov 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: let them fall off the net | Nov 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | On the other side, sites like BN grow following | Nov 11 19:44 |
| jose_X | yes, i hope it backfires seriously | Nov 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: it will | Nov 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | AP tried it | Nov 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | And ran back, IIRC | Nov 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Or some Belgian paper | Nov 11 19:44 |
| jose_X | some also said nytimes tried it and failed | Nov 11 19:45 |
| jose_X | >> For some time now, we have been aware of the need among older people for a simpler type of computer,” said Valerie Singleton | Nov 11 19:45 |
| _goblin | Fed up with sites claiming one person represents the views of everyone. Check out my reply to this article that suggests I speak for the open source community in respect of Codeplex: http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-development/codeplexorg-an-open-source-foundation-funded-by-microsoft-005518.php | Nov 11 19:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Suggestion to Murdoch: Serve shareholders - remove News Corp. from DNS too :-) | Nov 11 19:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Internet #Censorship and Other Abuse Getting Noticed http://ur1.ca/fld0 http://ur1.ca/fld2 | Nov 11 19:45 | |
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| jose_X | >> The machine runs the Linux Mint operating system, powered by Eldy software, a package developed by Italian company Vegan Solutions. The software limits itself to only the most basic tasks and, according to the firm, is virtually immune to security threats that affect other systems. | Nov 11 19:45 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: yes | Nov 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | MSBBC | Nov 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Rory even.. | Nov 11 19:46 |
| jose_X | so linux is for servers, for supercomputers, for security. now it's easy to use if we keep the apps simple.. what's next? ! | Nov 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Weird. | Nov 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: yes, like phones | Nov 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Appliance | Nov 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft wants to change it | Nov 11 19:47 |
| schestowitz | With OOXML, Silver Lie, etc. | Nov 11 19:47 |
| schestowitz | vs. COmmoditisation | Nov 11 19:47 |
| jose_X | point is that people are going to run out of excuses of how linux is for very limited use... | Nov 11 19:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DRM Under Fresh Attack from Several Angles http://ur1.ca/fldi http://ur1.ca/fldj http://ur1.ca/fldk | Nov 11 19:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I am fed up with "reporters" claiming one person speaks for a community. I had to reply to this one: http://tinyurl.com/ykvxg3d #microsoft | Nov 11 19:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Blink182 and Independent #Film Makers Promote Gratis #Sharing http://ur1.ca/fldu http://ur1.ca/fldv | Nov 11 19:52 | |
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| _goblin | Who are these people getting voiced? | Nov 11 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just had a problem in the kitchen | Nov 11 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | I got a new teapot, a glass one this time | Nov 11 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | and I follwed the directions to fill it to the band and bring to boil | Nov 11 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | but when it whistled, a couple seconds later it went off like a geyser and started spraying boiling water all over the kitchen | Nov 11 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I had to go in there under the cover of one of my old jackets to stop it | Nov 11 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Nov 11 19:55 |
| jose_X | maybe there was a crack | Nov 11 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | jose_X, No, it was erupting from the hole it whistles out of | Nov 11 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 11 19:55 |
| jose_X | ok, maybe that hole was partially stuffed up | Nov 11 19:55 |
| jose_X | did you add too much water maybe ? | Nov 11 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | this tea does taste a lot better out of that than the microwave at least | Nov 11 19:56 |
| jose_X | :-) | Nov 11 19:56 |
| jose_X | but was it worth the jacket? | Nov 11 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | was using that ever since my last teapot got filled with lime and calcium and such | Nov 11 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | definitely | Nov 11 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC | good tea | Nov 11 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Earl Grey, mmmm | Nov 11 19:58 |
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| DaemonFC | it deserves more than my microwave | Nov 11 19:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] U.S. Chamber Lies About ACTA, Again http://bit.ly/2TDwWy | Nov 11 19:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | jose_X, Walmart doesn't sell tea kettles in the store anymore | Nov 11 20:01 |
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| DaemonFC | I had to go over to KMart to get a tea kettle! | Nov 11 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's obviously the War on Tea | Nov 11 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | first Christmas, now our tea | Nov 11 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 11 20:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Burton Corporation Moves to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/3Ydu5D | Nov 11 20:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Profiting from #Conficker http://bit.ly/49D5HB | Nov 11 20:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Man Behind Microsoft's Crimes Wrongly Used as Role Model http://bit.ly/2vfT2j | Nov 11 20:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | I may have to buy my Rooibos online | Nov 11 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Celestial Seasonings doesn't sell it at the store anymore | Nov 11 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | War on Tea | Nov 11 20:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell is Dying with #Microsoft While Serving It http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29235/1090/ | Nov 11 20:12 | |
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| jose_X | DaemonFC, I don't make tea very frequently. When I do, I use open pot of boiling water.. I have not looked into open vs closed very much. might closed be a better model here? | Nov 11 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Ubuntu does not like my ATI Radeon | Nov 11 20:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] HOWTO valgrind your Windows apps with Wine http://winezeug.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/valgrind/doc/win32.html | Nov 11 20:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | Fedora does if I pull in the 3d acceleration support packages | Nov 11 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if jono would know what to do | Nov 11 20:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Visit Openbytes! Approved and championed by Richard! http://openbytes.wordpress.com/ #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #linux #foss | Nov 11 20:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @RobinGrantham: If having cancer and being denied treatment isn't a liberty-stopper I don't know what is. #hcr #sickforprofit #singlepayer | Nov 11 20:29 | |
| ender2070 | go! | Nov 11 20:30 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg255__pXpw&feature=related | Nov 11 20:34 | |
| ender2070 | im watching the google talk on go programming | Nov 11 20:40 |
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| ender2070 | they say 8 seconds is too long to wait for a compiler | Nov 11 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: I shall quote you in a moment :-) | Nov 11 20:53 |
| schestowitz | re codeplex | Nov 11 20:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] IT dept say my Ubuntu laptop will cause "broadcast storms and spanning tree collapses." We know they run Ubuntu themselves. IT'S ON! %-D | Nov 11 21:02 | |
| ender2070 | go is gonna kick mono's ass | Nov 11 21:03 |
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| tessier | Yet another programming language eh? | Nov 11 21:07 |
| tessier | I don't know... | Nov 11 21:07 |
| tessier | Too many to learn already that all mostly do the same stuff. | Nov 11 21:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] i have new headphones. skullcandy. apparently they are hip with the kids. also decent headphones. | Nov 11 21:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IDG #OpenMic Should be Renamed OpenMicrosoft http://ping.fm/Q3K6a #novell #cronyism | Nov 11 21:10 | |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: :) I thought it needed to be said and also is the basis of my next article "Ahhh Your'e killing the FOSS!!!!!" | Nov 11 21:12 |
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| ender2070 | tessier - google has the father of C as one of its designers | Nov 11 21:17 |
| tessier | ender2070: He is an employee. I don't know about being a designer of the search engine. | Nov 11 21:18 |
| tessier | Seems to me he was hired on well after the search engine was established. | Nov 11 21:19 |
| ender2070 | tessier - lol | Nov 11 21:19 |
| ender2070 | tessier - im talking about go | Nov 11 21:19 |
| tessier | oh, ok. Yes, I know that. I read the article yesterday. | Nov 11 21:19 |
| tessier | At least it is garbage collected. | Nov 11 21:19 |
| ender2070 | latency free garbage collection | Nov 11 21:20 |
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| MikeyC | Hey roy, you tried any step ups? | Nov 11 21:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #US Chamber Among the Shills for #ACTA, Apparently http://ping.fm/yrjuG | Nov 11 21:34 | |
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| fewa | wheres the fedora 12 release candidate? | Nov 11 21:37 |
| fewa | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/Schedule | Nov 11 21:37 |
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| tessier | I have a couple of boxes I need to reinstall that I am waiting on F12 for. | Nov 11 21:38 |
| ender2070 | fewa - its in rawhide/betas updates | Nov 11 21:39 |
| tessier | So I am looking forward to the 17th. | Nov 11 21:39 |
| tessier | 6 more days. So next Tuesday. | Nov 11 21:39 |
| fewa | anyone have a rpm cacher software? | Nov 11 21:39 |
| fewa | like apt-cacher-ng for debs | Nov 11 21:39 |
| ender2070 | thats my bday | Nov 11 21:39 |
| fewa | that something keeping from really wanting to use fedora | Nov 11 21:39 |
| tessier | ender2070: Happy bday in advance! | Nov 11 21:39 |
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| DaemonFC | something is terribly wrong if the prosecutor doesn't seek the death sentence with Hasan | Nov 11 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | our "justice" system is pretty hit or miss anyway | Nov 11 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | some people just get a long prison sentence for crimes more heinous than others get put to death for | Nov 11 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of it comes from prosecutors that are quick to sign a plea bargain of lesser crimes to get a quick conviction | Nov 11 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | like that black kid that gunned down his teacher and they reduced it to second degree murder | Nov 11 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | even though he obviously planned it | Nov 11 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | they abuse the categories of murder all the time | Nov 11 21:53 |
| ender2070 | tessier - ty | Nov 11 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | second degree should only be for unplanned murder, like you walk in and your wife is in bed with another man | Nov 11 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | first degree would be if you went out and bought a gun and planned how you would kill your wife later with it | Nov 11 21:54 |
| tessier | I'm not a big fan of the death penalty anymore. | Nov 11 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | they should ban plea agreements | Nov 11 21:54 |
| ender2070 | the death penalty is pretty crap | Nov 11 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | charge people with what they did and try them for what they did | Nov 11 21:55 |
| ender2070 | two wrongs dont make a right | Nov 11 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I think it should be applied a lot more often | Nov 11 21:55 |
| tessier | Plea agreements are useful in preventing other crimes, prosecuting others, and getting valuable cooperation. | Nov 11 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | any case where it's first degree murder, the death penalty should be what they seek | Nov 11 21:55 |
| ender2070 | the death penalty is 100% wrong | Nov 11 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | tessier, plea agreements are just what bad prosecutors use to secure a quick conviction | Nov 11 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | even if the person involved is a monster agreeing to a wrist slap | Nov 11 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with the death sentence | Nov 11 21:56 |
| ender2070 | its murder | Nov 11 21:56 |
| tessier | Yes, there is. | Nov 11 21:56 |
| tessier | China uses it to shut people up and points at our use of it saying it is ok. | Nov 11 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You're telling me if someone broke into your mom's house, brutally raped her, murdered her, then stole everything in the house | Nov 11 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | you think that guys life is worth more than your mom? | Nov 11 21:57 |
| tessier | Too many convictions overturned on DNA for my liking. | Nov 11 21:57 |
| tessier | Lots of people have been let off death row because it turned out they hadn't done it. | Nov 11 21:57 |
| tessier | And then there is the whole "thou shalt not kill" thing. | Nov 11 21:57 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - the guy will rot in prison his whole life and get brutally raped himself | Nov 11 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You'd kill the guy yourself if you're any kind of decent person | Nov 11 21:57 |
| tessier | So very few people get executed that it hardly seems worth it. | Nov 11 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | tessier, Which is why they should do it more | Nov 11 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | and do it uniformly | Nov 11 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | consistently | Nov 11 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | no plea agreement copouts | Nov 11 21:58 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - hes telling you people get off because they were wrongly accused | Nov 11 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, maybe | Nov 11 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | If a prosecutor is found doing that, execute her | Nov 11 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | problem solved | Nov 11 21:58 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 11 21:58 |
| tessier | Better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man punished. | Nov 11 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's always some male-hating Feminazi that fabricates the evidence | Nov 11 21:59 |
| tessier | Didn't Ben Franklin or some such say that? | Nov 11 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | just off her | Nov 11 21:59 |
| tessier | Maybe Jefferson. | Nov 11 21:59 |
| tessier | uh | Nov 11 21:59 |
| tessier | This isn't about prosecutors. | Nov 11 21:59 |
| tessier | And using such language really undermines your argument. | Nov 11 21:59 |
| ender2070 | half of the people in prison who say they didnt do it arent lying | Nov 11 21:59 |
| tessier | Juries found these people guilty. | Nov 11 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | tessier, It's always a woman faking evidence to get men convicted | Nov 11 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | when's the last time you heard about male prosecutors or lab technicians doing that? | Nov 11 22:00 |
| tessier | We aren't talking about anyone faking evidence here. | Nov 11 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | there was a case in Michigan where I believe the woman got 17 innocent men convicted on fake DNA evidence | Nov 11 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | some militant feminist no doubt | Nov 11 22:01 |
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| DaemonFC | she didn't fake evidence against any women | Nov 11 22:01 |
| ender2070 | militant feminist? | Nov 11 22:01 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 11 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | this country lets feminazis get away with anything | Nov 11 22:01 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 11 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't mean the term feminazi as an insult to all women, or even most | Nov 11 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | just the aggressive male-haters | Nov 11 22:02 |
| ender2070 | if you play the feminism card you get a free "i win" trophy | Nov 11 22:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Microsoft is Profiteering from #Conficker http://ping.fm/PbCuR | Nov 11 22:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070, I think women should be equal to men | Nov 11 22:03 |
| ender2070 | i do too | Nov 11 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | the feminists think that | Nov 11 22:03 |
| ender2070 | some people use their cause as a sword, is what im saying | Nov 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Feminazi, however, thinks women should trample men's rights | Nov 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | they believe women (womyn) are superior to men | Nov 11 22:04 |
| tessier | Such women are so few that I don't know why you care. | Nov 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's a big difference between the Feminist and the Feminazi | Nov 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | tessier, That Feminazi prosecutor condemned 17 innocent men | Nov 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | so they pop up often enough to hurt a lot of people | Nov 11 22:05 |
| tessier | You sure it wasn't the judge? Or the jury? | Nov 11 22:05 |
| tessier | That is one case, assuming it is even true. | Nov 11 22:05 |
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| DaemonFC | the judge and jury only go on what evidence the prosecution brings | Nov 11 22:05 |
| tessier | The prosecutor alone does not decide fate. | Nov 11 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | and even if there is one biased member in the jury, there's 11 more who aren't | Nov 11 22:05 |
| tessier | The judge is supposed to make sure the evidence is proper to be admissable. | Nov 11 22:05 |
| ender2070 | you know how many prosecuters wish that were true | Nov 11 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | so even if I was selected as a juror and I hated women (theoretical) and I voted that they were guilty, and they obviously were not | Nov 11 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | it would be 11-1 Not Guilty | Nov 11 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | so a biased juror can do a lot less damage than a biased prosecutor | Nov 11 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | cause the prosecutor can string the jury along and the judge too | Nov 11 22:06 |
| ender2070 | dont u need 100% votes for death penalty? | Nov 11 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Nov 11 22:07 |
| ender2070 | <--canadian | Nov 11 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You have to have a unanimous vote to get the death penalty | Nov 11 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | but you only need a simple majority to convict or decide other punishments | Nov 11 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | so lots of prosecutors don't even go for the death penalty | Nov 11 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's much easier to convince 7 jurors to vote for life in prison | Nov 11 22:09 |
| ender2070 | we dont have the death penalty at all | Nov 11 22:09 |
| ender2070 | you get life | Nov 11 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Some states don't | Nov 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | most states and the federal government do | Nov 11 22:11 |
| ender2070 | some places think that makes you as bad as the person who did the crime | Nov 11 22:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 'Tis the season for some mergers, fa la la la la, la la la la http://ur1.ca/flmr #HP #3com | Nov 11 22:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | Indiana has only executed 19 criminals since the 1980s | Nov 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | when the death sentence was ruled constitutional | Nov 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | 82 I think? | Nov 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | *1982 | Nov 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Texas has executed well over 400 | Nov 11 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | and has the most prisoners on death row of any state | Nov 11 22:12 |
| ender2070 | texas is messed up | Nov 11 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | Texas was executing so many so fast that the United Nations investigated them for human rights violations | Nov 11 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | like it was Somalia or something, lol | Nov 11 22:12 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Nov 11 22:13 |
| ender2070 | that many saloon brawls? | Nov 11 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, The UN left without saying they found any violations | Nov 11 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | Texans are just easier to convince that the son of a bitch must pay | Nov 11 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | I guess | Nov 11 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 11 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, bbl, dinner | Nov 11 22:14 |
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| tessier | http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/11/06/will-microsoft-become-the-general-motors-of-software/ | Nov 11 22:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Summary: #IBM and #OpenForumEurope Address European Interoperability Framework ( #EIF ) Fiasco http://ping.fm/CegJl | Nov 11 22:28 | |
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| ender2070 | fewa - if you run rawhide right now, it has everything you need for f12 final | Nov 11 22:39 |
| ender2070 | fewa - it will change itself over to final as well | Nov 11 22:39 |
| ender2070 | fewa - it currently is finalized, it has what will be on the "final" iso | Nov 11 22:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @jeremyscahill @DarrellIssa How about your buddies from #Blackwater and Halliburton? U luvd them when ur job was to "oversee" them #hr1826 | Nov 11 22:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ahhhhh – Youre killing FOSS! http://tinyurl.com/y9o3vuz #microsoft #linux #foss #mono #novell | Nov 11 22:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] actually created a #wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirtgirlworld because f has decided she likes it. | Nov 11 22:45 | |
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| _goblin | Can anyone here speak German? | Nov 11 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: go to #boycottnovell-social | Nov 11 22:53 |
| _goblin | ok | Nov 11 22:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My take on: #USPTO ’s #DavidKappos Starts Blog, Should Read Blogs Also http://ping.fm/mu9GD | Nov 11 23:04 | |
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| FreedomOrDeath | Hey everyone. | Nov 11 23:08 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | I am confused by something and I need some help. | Nov 11 23:11 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | Really? no one can help me | Nov 11 23:12 |
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| heartWindows | orly | Nov 11 23:13 |
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| _goblinSucksGoat | _goblin | Nov 11 23:14 |
| FreedomOrDeath | So, I've been using Linux since 1993 | Nov 11 23:15 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | And I'm so proud of how I haven't had to use any Windows. But, I'm confused. I've read BN religously but don't know why Mono is so bad. | Nov 11 23:15 |
| FreedomOrDeath | And don't tell me I'm a MS shill because I support FSF and donate regularly. I just don't see what the damn deal is. | Nov 11 23:16 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | I guess Mono isn't as bad as I thought. No one here wants to refute me. | Nov 11 23:17 |
| _goblinSucksGoat | everyone is too busy trying to get their sound to work so they cant watch pr0n | Nov 11 23:18 |
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| numberse7en | FreedomOrDeath, mono is a good program. that's why it is hated by fsf fundementalists... linux can't have ANYTHING good! | Nov 11 23:19 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh we have the grown ups lol | Nov 11 23:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | But I don't get that. | Nov 11 23:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Mono seems the best way to bring Windows users to Linux. | Nov 11 23:21 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, lol | Nov 11 23:21 |
| FreedomOrDeath | And that's what I want. To get more people to realize they don't have to use Windows. There are other things out there. | Nov 11 23:22 |
| fewa | * [_goblinSucksGoat] (i=18d36f1d@gateway/web/freenode/x-eotwnzfndozbarjl): cpe-024-211-111-029.sc.res.rr.com/24.211.111.29 - | Nov 11 23:22 |
| fewa | * [FreedomOrDeath] (i=18d36f1d@gateway/web/freenode/x-cfzmdnjwdmclvfde): cpe-024-211-111-029.sc.res.rr.com/24.211.111.29 | Nov 11 23:22 |
| fewa | WOW, sooo suprised | Nov 11 23:22 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, typical, talking to himself, pretending to be multiple people | Nov 11 23:23 |
| ThistleWeb | talk about a proper conversation | Nov 11 23:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 11 23:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Typical? | Nov 11 23:23 |
| numberse7en | FreedomOrDeath, proprietary code like used in mono can't be renamed, change a few elements of it and get full credit by someone else... | Nov 11 23:23 |
| ThistleWeb | astroturfing in action peeps | Nov 11 23:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Dude. You don't even know me. | Nov 11 23:23 |
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| techsnap_ | Can I ask, what Distro do you guys use? | Nov 11 23:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I just wanted to see how long the other one would last. | Nov 11 23:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | But, seriously. | Nov 11 23:24 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I acutally use Fedora. I used to use Red Hat but then started using FC when it first came out. | Nov 11 23:24 |
| numberse7en | i use debian, windows 7, and ubuntu | Nov 11 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | these guys are hilarious | Nov 11 23:24 |
| techsnap_ | You removed mono on Ubuntu right... | Nov 11 23:24 |
| numberse7en | and i also use Solaris | Nov 11 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | or is it just one dude | Nov 11 23:24 |
| srothlisberger | Gentoo anyone? | Nov 11 23:24 |
| ender2070 | Gentoo is nice | Nov 11 23:24 |
| numberse7en | i don't even know who FreedonOrDeath is... | Nov 11 23:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | No. I had the stupid one about goats, but that was the only other one. I got bored when it looked like no one else was in here. | Nov 11 23:25 |
| ender2070 | I use Fedora myself though | Nov 11 23:25 |
| srothlisberger | Compile times can be intrusive... | Nov 11 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | or stupid that you were called on your pathetic attempts to astroturf? | Nov 11 23:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: How long have you been using it? | Nov 11 23:25 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | ThistleWeb: If I knew what astroturf meant, I would answer that. | Nov 11 23:26 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - since their livecd stopped shipping mono (f11) | Nov 11 23:26 |
| ThistleWeb | fake grass roots, fake conversations to fool an audience | Nov 11 23:26 |
| numberse7en | i've never seen mono on ubuntu | Nov 11 23:26 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | Actually, I came in here because I really wonder about mono. I got bored, made another thing but when people finally started talking, I got rid of him. | Nov 11 23:27 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | And now, I'm really wondering about mono. Because, I've been studying it for a while now and I don't get the big deal | Nov 11 23:27 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - thats the key | Nov 11 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | RadeonHD 4000 series is still not even supported by default in most Linux distros | Nov 11 23:27 |
| _goblin | hey! | Nov 11 23:27 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What's the key? | Nov 11 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | gee, that hardware is only 1 year old | Nov 11 23:28 |
| _goblin | Ive just noticed, Ive got a fan! | Nov 11 23:28 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - its not special enough to give microsoft a foothold or advantage of any sort | Nov 11 23:28 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I was bored...yours just happened to be the first name I saw | Nov 11 23:28 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I got rid of him | Nov 11 23:29 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - its moot anyways now, google go is gonna kick its ass | Nov 11 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | and of course the name _goblinsucksgoat is just coincidence right? | Nov 11 23:29 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I don't see how it's moot.... | Nov 11 23:30 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I mean, Ubuntu is using it and many programs are written with mono | Nov 11 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | many? no | Nov 11 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | a handful? yes | Nov 11 23:30 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ThistleWeb: as I said his name just happened to be the first I saw. | Nov 11 23:30 |
| numberse7en | oh, mono is a C# compiler that is compatible with microsoft .NET. that seems like it would be a good toing for all linux distros | Nov 11 23:30 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Okay, either way. My bad. but, what about the fact taht mono can easily be used to help bring Windows users over. | Nov 11 23:31 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - Google Go > Mono/C# | Nov 11 23:31 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I have been able to run C# programs on Linux...so how is this not good for bringing people to Linux. This seems like a great "selling" point | Nov 11 23:31 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's value is to use apps made in MS code in linux, why make apps in MS code IN linux? | Nov 11 23:32 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - c# programs dont bring us anything we dont have, at the benefit of msft | Nov 11 23:32 |
| numberse7en | mono seems to be good for linux, why would anyone want to boycott the company that made mono? | Nov 11 23:32 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Not for making apps in MS code, but using existing apps written in that language. | Nov 11 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | why not make native code in linux to use in linux? | Nov 11 23:33 |
| norred | gotta hate something | Nov 11 23:33 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Apps written for MS. One of the biggest complaints I see when showing someone Linux is "it won't run x or y" | Nov 11 23:33 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - sounds like only proprietary apps would get that benefit | Nov 11 23:33 |
| numberse7en | ThistleWeb, but MS is more popular! linux users need that compatibility too! | Nov 11 23:33 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ISVs, in the meantime, haven't really taken a liking to Linux. I'm not sure I blame them. | Nov 11 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | even open standard cross platform, but not code whose development is led by a convicted monopolist who want to kill all things non-MS | Nov 11 23:33 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Like I said, I'm trying to understand this. I've been using Linux for a long time. | Nov 11 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, if you only offer peeps windows, of course they will "choose MS" | Nov 11 23:34 |
| FreedomOrDeath | C started in the halls of a convicted monopolist | Nov 11 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | they dont have any choice | Nov 11 23:34 |
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| numberse7en | who doesnt have any choice? | Nov 11 23:34 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - C started in the mind of Ken Thomson | Nov 11 23:34 |
| norred | so did gcc | Nov 11 23:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] At What Stage Can #Novell be Called “Microsoft Subsidiary”? http://ping.fm/eIFCm | Nov 11 23:34 | |
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| FreedomOrDeath | At Bell Labs. | Nov 11 23:34 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - who just helped make Google Go | Nov 11 23:34 |
| FreedomOrDeath | C# started in the mind of some guy at MS. | Nov 11 23:34 |
| FreedomOrDeath | All I'm saying is that where the language started is not as important as the potential it has. | Nov 11 23:35 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, C# is a feeble attempt to copy Java | Nov 11 23:35 |
| numberse7en | fewa, well not everyone likes to use java | Nov 11 23:36 |
| ender2070 | there is nothing c# brings us that isn't worth the risk of embracing microsoft, we have plenty of languages that make good alternatives | Nov 11 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | seems like they got to where they support all the old and crappy and integrated Radeons in the driver | Nov 11 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | then they stopped | Nov 11 23:36 |
| fewa | numberse7en, but Java certainly was a threat to Microsoft, so insted of competing, they underminded Java, and launched their own ripoff | Nov 11 23:36 |
| ender2070 | that is worth the risk* | Nov 11 23:37 |
| fewa | not that it was perfect | Nov 11 23:37 |
| FreedomOrDeath | How are we embracing Microsoft? | Nov 11 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | the language it's written in is not important until the IP holders of that language decide to wait until the project is doing well, possibly in compettion.....then change the rules on the licenec, killing the competition | Nov 11 23:37 |
| FreedomOrDeath | When I use Java, I'm not embracing Sun | Nov 11 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | cant beat them on merit, either buy them or kill them | Nov 11 23:37 |
| FreedomOrDeath | This could have easily been done with Java, but no one seemed to mind Java being used. | Nov 11 23:37 |
| ender2070 | by making c# code more abundant, its increasing the amount of code available to the windows platform | Nov 11 23:37 |
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| norred | or just hate them for no reason :) | Nov 11 23:37 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I'm talking about pre-GPL | Nov 11 23:37 |
| fewa | any company that has a clear goal of taxing anyone that attempts to use their product, shouldn't have their products used | Nov 11 23:37 |
| fewa | as there are other clearly tax-free products in existance | Nov 11 23:38 |
| FreedomOrDeath | And I doubt that MS will suddenly change the rules. | Nov 11 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | using any IP created (or claimed to have been created) by MS and you're putting your head on the block, waiting for MS to pull the chord | Nov 11 23:38 |
| fewa | That is clear as day | Nov 11 23:38 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What do you mean taxing someone to use their product? | Nov 11 23:38 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, Microsoft has worked to tax the uses of all of their software | Nov 11 23:38 |
| ender2070 | royalties | Nov 11 23:38 |
| fewa | quite successfully | Nov 11 23:38 |
| norred | does not have to be a rational argument | Nov 11 23:38 |
| fewa | "As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."--BillG http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-212942.html | Nov 11 23:39 |
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| fewa | This is abundantly clear | Nov 11 23:39 |
| FreedomOrDeath | The only "tax" I see is paying for their product. How is that a tax? | Nov 11 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | norred: nice try, but take your trolling elsewhere please | Nov 11 23:39 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Royalities are nothing new. They've been around. | Nov 11 23:39 |
| _goblin | are you getting them? | Nov 11 23:39 |
| _goblin | ;) | Nov 11 23:39 |
| fewa | and anyone that is aware of the history, and still wishes to cede to a taxation by using the product of an abusive monopolist is a fool | Nov 11 23:39 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Like I said. I don't use MS. I don't feel like paying for it when Fedora works just fine for me. | Nov 11 23:39 |
| _goblin | ahh.... | Nov 11 23:40 |
| FreedomOrDeath | _goblin: Are you asking me. I don't get it? | Nov 11 23:40 |
| _goblin | sorry no.... | Nov 11 23:40 |
| _goblin | norred: | Nov 11 23:40 |
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| _goblin | wheres the other Goblin handle gone? | Nov 11 23:40 |
| FreedomOrDeath | _goblin: I told you that about 20 minutes ago. ;) | Nov 11 23:41 |
| norred | am I getting what ?? Royalities ? no ofcourse not | Nov 11 23:41 |
| ThistleWeb | all norred has contributed is random "they are all irrational haters" type comments | Nov 11 23:41 |
| ThistleWeb | no context | Nov 11 23:41 |
| _goblin | freedomOrdeath: Didn't see that post sorry. | Nov 11 23:41 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ah | Nov 11 23:41 |
| ThistleWeb | just random comments all rewording the same thing | Nov 11 23:41 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I was bored | Nov 11 23:41 |
| fewa | anyways, I have little interest in apologists like FreedomOrDeath | Nov 11 23:41 |
| ender2070 | i dont want to pay for anything from msft | Nov 11 23:41 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 11 23:41 |
| _goblin | freedomOrdeath: fair enough..... | Nov 11 23:41 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: How am I an apologist? | Nov 11 23:41 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I've been using Linux since 93 or 94 and I own no MS products. | Nov 11 23:42 |
| ender2070 | why pay msft royalties for c# when we can use other languages that are at least equal or better | Nov 11 23:42 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I'm simply trying to understand the rationale behind hating mono | Nov 11 23:42 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, we do have a lil gang of trolls trying to derail the channel, with norred playing the accelerator | Nov 11 23:42 |
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| _goblin | its not hate. | Nov 11 23:42 |
| FreedomOrDeath | But, who's paying royalties for C#? | Nov 11 23:42 |
| _goblin | I wish people would stop misunderstanding tha. | Nov 11 23:42 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, you have to understand the "rent" or "tax" model of MSFT business | Nov 11 23:42 |
| norred | they dont like to use the word hate,,,,, but I dont see what else it is. | Nov 11 23:42 |
| fewa | Summed up quite effectively: Extend, Embrace, Extinguish | Nov 11 23:42 |
| FreedomOrDeath | C# is an international standard. MS does not charge Novell or Ubuntu or anyone else for mono, etc. | Nov 11 23:42 |
| _goblin | then you have my pity norred | Nov 11 23:43 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - mono doesnt follow the international standard | Nov 11 23:43 |
| fewa | *Embrace, Extend, Extinguish | Nov 11 23:43 |
| FreedomOrDeath | The only model I've seen from MS is charging for their products, which any developer is free to do. | Nov 11 23:43 |
| tessier | C# is an international standard? WTF? | Nov 11 23:43 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, its largely an astroturfing campaign | Nov 11 23:43 |
| tessier | I haven't seen any convenent not to sue from MS that would make it so. | Nov 11 23:43 |
| _goblin | I have the same opinions of Mono as I do most high-level dev tools/platforms/frameworks.et al. | Nov 11 23:43 |
| fewa | full of lies and distortion | Nov 11 23:43 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: Oh really? I did not know that. | Nov 11 23:43 |
| fewa | just like what happened to Java, and Internet Explorer | Nov 11 23:43 |
| FreedomOrDeath | tessier: Actually, they recently did come out with one of those for C# and .Net | Nov 11 23:44 |
| fewa | / Netscape | Nov 11 23:44 |
| tessier | FreedomOrDeath: Not quite. | Nov 11 23:44 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - show me a mono download link without winforms, asp.net and the non ecma parts | Nov 11 23:44 |
| fewa | You would be a fool to expect differn't | Nov 11 23:44 |
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| tessier | FreedomOrDeath: It doesn't cover GPL'd software. | Nov 11 23:44 |
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| tessier | Which is rather convenient for MS. | Nov 11 23:44 |
| FreedomOrDeath | How is the wording? | Nov 11 23:44 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I haven't messed too much with C# or mono. I admit. Mostly because I'm torn between this. | Nov 11 23:44 |
| fewa | If you don't take down the bully, they will continue their thug ways | Nov 11 23:45 |
| fewa | and that is what Microsoft does | Nov 11 23:45 |
| tessier | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/osp-gpl.html | Nov 11 23:45 |
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| fewa | as long as the same people are in change this will not change | Nov 11 23:45 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd love to see software patents abolished completely, that'd throw a spanner in MS's extrotion model among others | Nov 11 23:45 |
| terraflop | You guys all realize you're a bunch of paranoid assholes, right? | Nov 11 23:45 |
| tessier | ThistleWeb: Me too. Hopefully the SCOTUS will render all of this moot. | Nov 11 23:45 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, yes, they are on very shaky foundations | Nov 11 23:46 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Well, what's the worst that'll happen? | Nov 11 23:46 |
| fewa | built upon unconstitution foundations | Nov 11 23:46 |
| norred | terraflop,, "MOST" of 'us' | Nov 11 23:46 |
| lovingcode | if i pay for gpl licensed code, am i a shill? | Nov 11 23:46 |
| fewa | and mafia tactics | Nov 11 23:46 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Nothing says you can't write a program in C# and release it under the GPL. I've seen it on CodePlex | Nov 11 23:46 |
| ThistleWeb | able to patent something already in use, and invented by SOMEONE ELSE.....and they think this is inovation? | Nov 11 23:46 |
| terraflop | Oh, sorry. You are mostly paranoid assholes. | Nov 11 23:46 |
| tessier | terraflop: With all that has happened including the Microsoft patent sabre rattling against Linux how can you call anyone paranoid? | Nov 11 23:46 |
| fewa | If they would get away with it they would make Linux illegal | Nov 11 23:46 |
| terraflop | Easily. | Nov 11 23:46 |
| fewa | its clear they have already tried | Nov 11 23:46 |
| terraflop | You are paranoid. | Nov 11 23:46 |
| terraflop | Didn't take any time at all. | Nov 11 23:46 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ThistleWeb: This is one of the things I can agree with. I think software patents are stupid. I don't understand why one needs them | Nov 11 23:46 |
| FreedomOrDeath | That's what Copyright is for. | Nov 11 23:47 |
| tessier | terraflop: Sorry, I mistook you for someone interested in a real conversation. | Nov 11 23:47 |
| terraflop | You won't make that mistake again, dipshit. | Nov 11 23:47 |
| ThistleWeb | lol tessier | Nov 11 23:47 |
| terraflop | Here's a suggestion: All of you go fucking hang yourselves. You make the rest of the Linux/Open Source community look bad. | Nov 11 23:47 |
| terraflop | Bye bye now. | Nov 11 23:47 |
| ender2070 | I wouldn't want to put code on codeplex | Nov 11 23:47 |
| ThistleWeb | as they say "just because you're paranoid, it does not mean they're not out to get you" | Nov 11 23:47 |
| fewa | terraflop, | Nov 11 23:47 |
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| fewa | "Oho!' said the pot to the kettle; | Nov 11 23:47 |
| fewa | "You are dirty and ugly and black! | Nov 11 23:47 |
| fewa | Sure no one would think you were metal, | Nov 11 23:47 |
| fewa | Except when you're given a crack." | Nov 11 23:47 |
| FreedomOrDeath | um...wow | Nov 11 23:47 |
| ender2070 | MSFT might put it into one of their utilities and not honour the fpl | Nov 11 23:47 |
| ender2070 | gpl | Nov 11 23:47 |
| fewa | "Not so! not so! kettle said to the pot; | Nov 11 23:48 |
| fewa | "'Tis your own dirty image you see; | Nov 11 23:48 |
| fewa | For I am so clean -without blemish or blot- | Nov 11 23:48 |
| fewa | That your blackness is mirrored in me" | Nov 11 23:48 |
| lovingcode | nobody cares about the kettle and the pot! | Nov 11 23:48 |
| lovingcode | lol | Nov 11 23:48 |
| FreedomOrDeath | That's what the legal system is for. GPL has proven itself in court. | Nov 11 23:48 |
| lovingcode | has it? | Nov 11 23:48 |
| FreedomOrDeath | MS seems to have realized that since their latest GPL violations have been reversed. | Nov 11 23:48 |
| ender2070 | im poking fun of the Image master situation | Nov 11 23:48 |
| ThistleWeb | well, that intellectual mindwave taught me, why didn't I think of go hanging myself? | Nov 11 23:48 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lovingcode: Yes. A few times now the GPL has one in court | Nov 11 23:49 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, they have tried to change the law | Nov 11 23:49 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I'm too busy to hang myself. Maybe later | Nov 11 23:49 |
| lovingcode | how many times has it lost? | Nov 11 23:49 |
| norred | WON not one | Nov 11 23:49 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Who's that? MS? | Nov 11 23:49 |
| norred | and where ? | Nov 11 23:49 |
| FreedomOrDeath | *won | Nov 11 23:49 |
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| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, clearly, read their Bilski brief | Nov 11 23:49 |
| lovingcode | the GPL, how many court suits has it losted | Nov 11 23:50 |
| fewa | full of wishful thinking of what they wish the law said | Nov 11 23:50 |
| lovingcode | *lost | Nov 11 23:50 |
| norred | how many has it won ? None so far | Nov 11 23:50 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Well, my point is that's not really a surprise. Show me a major coporation who hasn't tried to change the laws. | Nov 11 23:50 |
| fewa | which, BTW, would be unconstitutional | Nov 11 23:50 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I guess that's why I don't have the full MS hatred that others do. | Nov 11 23:50 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, no, i don't hate Microsoft | Nov 11 23:50 |
| fewa | the problem is much bigger than that single corporation | Nov 11 23:50 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I don't like MS, but it's because of how expensive their products are and because I really think they're inferior. | Nov 11 23:50 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, just because MS beat the shit out of someone, well others do it too, so it's ok | Nov 11 23:50 |
| lovingcode | i belive no OS shoud be hated. they ALL have a chance to be equal | Nov 11 23:50 |
| FreedomOrDeath | But, as a company, they don't bother me because every company will do anything to get ahead. | Nov 11 23:51 |
| fewa | lovingcode, your a blind fool | Nov 11 23:51 |
| ThistleWeb | lovingcode: not everything is equal, but they should be judged on their merits | Nov 11 23:51 |
| FreedomOrDeath | He said "all have a chance" not that all were equal | Nov 11 23:51 |
| norred | they are | Nov 11 23:51 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - its also a brand issue, some people dont like Microsoft and they are allowed to | Nov 11 23:51 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, they get ahead by breaking the law | Nov 11 23:51 |
| lovingcode | how am I a blind fool? | Nov 11 23:52 |
| fewa | that should concern everyone | Nov 11 23:52 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I agree. Maybe one day, long in the future, Windows will get better | Nov 11 23:52 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, they get ahead by destroying innovation, and progress | Nov 11 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | unfortunetly, MS only seem to be decent at lobbying and lying, they make third rate software | Nov 11 23:52 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: To be fair, so did many other companies. That's why I ignore the business aspect of their company. | Nov 11 23:52 |
| fewa | that should concern everyone interested in progress and innovation | Nov 11 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | turn a blind eye to organised crime | Nov 11 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | how sad | Nov 11 23:52 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 11 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | it's alright because everyone does it | Nov 11 23:53 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What am I going to do? Take on all the companies in America that have done illegal crap? There's too many | Nov 11 23:53 |
| fewa | The very concept of estblishing a walled garden, that requires a tax to a private entity to enter, needs to be attacked head on | Nov 11 23:53 |
| ThistleWeb | you choose to vote with your wallet | Nov 11 23:53 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I never said it was alright. I just said it was no different | Nov 11 23:53 |
| ThistleWeb | yet you defend the comany | Nov 11 23:53 |
| lovingcode | here's how i see it: MS has the desktop community, the *nix'es have the servers, and apple has the idiots' money | Nov 11 23:53 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Yes I do. And as I said, I haven't used Microsoft products at home since the days of DOS. | Nov 11 23:53 |
| fewa | its a very alien concept except for the militancy in which it is forced | Nov 11 23:53 |
| ThistleWeb | company* | Nov 11 23:53 |
| ThistleWeb | when you vote for a politician, nobody knows (or cares) why you voted, just that you did | Nov 11 23:54 |
| fewa | Microsoft is not the only one guilty of this: Apple for example is another big offender | Nov 11 23:54 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I defend the company as a company. Not on their software. Actually, I never defended them. I just said they don't bother me in the same way ExxonMobil doesn't bother me and Wal-Mart doesn't bother me. | Nov 11 23:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, moving on from Freedom of speech and apparently my right not to have mine, just looking at the new Chromium build...bug fixes for me? | Nov 11 23:54 | |
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| fewa | Bullying anyone that might install a window or door, disregarding law | Nov 11 23:54 |
| ThistleWeb | we take a stand and say MS should be held accountable for all the damage and crimes they've commited | Nov 11 23:54 |
| ThistleWeb | and continue to commit | Nov 11 23:54 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ExxonMobil & Wal-Mart are just as bad, if not worse. | Nov 11 23:54 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What crimes? Did they order the execution of millions? | Nov 11 23:55 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, both Exxon and Microsoft institute a tax, or "rent" upon society | Nov 11 23:55 |
| StickyBuns | ExxonMobil is 2/3 of Standard Oil, the most truly evil monopoly to ever exist | Nov 11 23:55 |
| ThistleWeb | they are serial offenders who see nothing wrong in their actions other than being caught and having to face the music on a few of them | Nov 11 23:55 |
| lovingcode | FreedomOrDeath, Wal-mart bothers mw with their proprietary checkout register code! | Nov 11 23:55 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What is this rent you speak of? | Nov 11 23:55 |
| norred | so does every government fewa | Nov 11 23:55 |
| FreedomOrDeath | The only time I pay anything to Exxon is when I buy gas there. I only pay money to Wal-Mart when i shop there. | Nov 11 23:55 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - crime - convicted monoplist, and all the stuff that went along with achieving such title | Nov 11 23:55 |
| ThistleWeb | OOXML was organised corruption | Nov 11 23:56 |
| ThistleWeb | crime, organised in various coutries to achiev a result | Nov 11 23:56 |
| norred | like IBM ? | Nov 11 23:56 |
| fewa | norred, government funds are trackable, they pay for roads, libraries, schools, publicly accessable research, health care | Nov 11 23:56 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Ah. Yeah. They probably should've gotten smacked harder by the FTC for the monopoly stuff | Nov 11 23:56 |
| fewa | norred, and in a way in which people have much more control | Nov 11 23:56 |
| FreedomOrDeath | OOXML is corruption? How so? | Nov 11 23:56 |
| fewa | Most corporations are run as tyrannys | Nov 11 23:56 |
| lovingcode | this we need to know | Nov 11 23:56 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I've never read much on OOXML or that whole deal | Nov 11 23:56 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Nov 11 23:56 | |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to tessier | Nov 11 23:57 | |
| fewa | while most countries are run as formal democracies norred | Nov 11 23:57 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Nov 11 23:57 | |
| ThistleWeb | push through ooxml as a fast track using MS proxies on vorting groups | Nov 11 23:57 |
| ThistleWeb | signing up new members just to vote blind on MS's propsals | Nov 11 23:57 |
| ThistleWeb | over ruling the technical panels who vote against | Nov 11 23:58 |
| schestowitz | /singing up/bribing/ | Nov 11 23:58 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Oh I remember something about that. Paying off some people to vote for it. | Nov 11 23:58 |
| ThistleWeb | they bought the ISO | Nov 11 23:58 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Yeah. That was pretty bad. | Nov 11 23:58 |
| lovingcode | i like MS, and linux... is there anything wrong with that? | Nov 11 23:58 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/robweir/antic-atom/~3/VRW2ZyIpGEU/final-ooxml-update-part-i.html | Nov 11 23:58 |
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| fewa | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/10/protocols-formats-and-limits-of.html#links | Nov 11 23:58 |
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| fewa | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/10/final-ooxml-update-part-ii.html#links | Nov 11 23:58 |
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| fewa | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/10/final-ooxml-update-part-iii.html#links | Nov 11 23:58 |
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| ThistleWeb | all because govts saw the advantage of open standards which would let peeps out of MS's lockin formats | Nov 11 23:58 |
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| ThistleWeb | cant have that can we? | Nov 11 23:58 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 11 23:59 |
| ThistleWeb | that was crime, it was also organsied | Nov 11 23:59 |
| ThistleWeb | for financial gain | Nov 11 23:59 |
| ThistleWeb | across many countries | Nov 11 23:59 |
| ThistleWeb | what part of that is not organised crime? | Nov 11 23:59 |
| lovingcode | is it bad to enjoy microsoft? | Nov 11 23:59 |
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