| Will__ | schestowitz: so, just how closely is opensuse tied to novell? I haven't really paid attention to it since I left. | Nov 13 00:00 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I gotta test it soon | Nov 13 00:00 |
| Will__ | Although I left before the 2006 deal due to package manager problems. | Nov 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Will__: better pass on it | Nov 13 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I like openSUSE GNOME | Nov 13 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | very optimized distro | Nov 13 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva should be just as good if not better | Nov 13 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | and opensuse package managers are still messy for some | Nov 13 00:02 |
| shreddar | I just read that article you linked to: | Nov 13 00:02 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, pls leave opensuse aside | Nov 13 00:02 |
| shreddar | http://www.johny.org/2007/09/13/gm-vs-microsoft/ | Nov 13 00:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Johny.org » GM vs Microsoft .::. Size~: 18.64 KB | Nov 13 00:02 |
| schestowitz | If you test it, then you'll be promoting it | Nov 13 00:02 |
| shreddar | I love GM's response. | Nov 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: I think it's a joke | Nov 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if we should say anything about opensuse, maybe just recommend some other distros as a way of making a statement | Nov 13 00:04 |
| Will__ | Installing Mandriva right now. One thing though: a one or two points the installer showed a blank window. It was still working, but no progress indicator at all. Not a deal breaker, but I like knowing that the machine hasn't dropped the ball. | Nov 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Let me see what vids I can find | Nov 13 00:04 |
| shreddar | I know I just love the wittiness of it. | Nov 13 00:05 |
| schestowitz | I want to advocate s/t | Nov 13 00:05 |
| shreddar | He so took that opening. | Nov 13 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Anyone knows a spanking new Linux desktop video? | Nov 13 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe one with kwin4? | Nov 13 00:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to flog gnome | Nov 13 00:05 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : gnome-shell maybe | Nov 13 00:06 |
| Will__ | schestowitz: opensuse will be talked up b/c it has historically been the top KDE distro, but Mandriva is right up there with it there. | Nov 13 00:06 |
| shreddar | what's this about gnome schesowitz? | Nov 13 00:06 |
| *schestowitz searches for videos | Nov 13 00:06 | |
| _Hicham_ | both of them are using GTK tools | Nov 13 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | mandriva's tools are all GTK ones | Nov 13 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | SUSE's Yast did have only a GTK UI | Nov 13 00:07 |
| _Hicham_ | until recently | Nov 13 00:07 |
| _Hicham_ | or am i wrong ? | Nov 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Crappy videos... http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mandriva+2010&search_type=&aq=f | Nov 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | yast came with qt | Nov 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | This looks like kde3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBduAKFe9XE | Nov 13 00:09 |
| _Hicham_ | finally resolved a weird firefox-3.6b2 bug | Nov 13 00:10 |
| ender2070 | _Hicham_ my suse 5.3 disks say otherwise | Nov 13 00:10 |
| _Hicham_ | 11.2 is another thing | Nov 13 00:10 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a great release | Nov 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Ew... kde3... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxb1PaQP9vs | Nov 13 00:10 |
| _Hicham_ | very optimized | Nov 13 00:11 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : are u using nepomuk ? | Nov 13 00:11 |
| ender2070 | we should fork kde 2.x and backport | Nov 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Using kde3 is an abomination after kde4 | Nov 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: nope, not yet | Nov 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | kwin4 effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZSxLuwv_E | Nov 13 00:12 |
| Will__ | One day I'd like to see Kubuntu really become a great KDE distro. But I don't see that happening any time soon. | Nov 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Firefox/KDE integration on openSUSE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCt6BzFiDts | Nov 13 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Will__: I use it right now | Nov 13 00:14 |
| shreddar | first they need to have firefox on their by default. Next they should make KGTK work. | Nov 13 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox supports GnomeShell | Nov 13 00:14 |
| shreddar | there | Nov 13 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | I just compiled a fresh Firefox-3.6b2 | Nov 13 00:15 |
| _Hicham_ | seems working great | Nov 13 00:15 |
| Will__ | schestowitz: then how do you think Mandriva compares to Kubuntu? | Nov 13 00:15 |
| _Hicham_ | I think I am gonna update my system's xulrunner | Nov 13 00:15 |
| shreddar | They should actively maintain KGTK until there is a working qt port of firefox. | Nov 13 00:17 |
| ender2070 | I like Fedora the most, im using 12 right now | Nov 13 00:18 |
| shreddar | I've never used Redhat/Fedora how's it different from other binary distros like SUSE and Mandriva? | Nov 13 00:20 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the most cutting edge in the linux world | Nov 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Will__: I'd need to try kde4 in Mandriva | Nov 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Based on reviews, it's good | Nov 13 00:21 |
| shreddar | _Hicham_ specifically what is different with Fedora? | Nov 13 00:22 |
| _Hicham_ | shreddar : it sticks more to upstream, and it contributes more to it | Nov 13 00:24 |
| ender2070 | shreddar - the software is also closer to the latest version | Nov 13 00:24 |
| _Hicham_ | the software is most of the time the latest version | Nov 13 00:25 |
| _Hicham_ | if not the development one | Nov 13 00:25 |
| ender2070 | F12 is gonna see Qt4.6 and KDE 4.4 shortly after releases | Nov 13 00:26 |
| ender2070 | non-experimental | Nov 13 00:26 |
| shreddar | Is it better than say Ubuntu when it comes to updating? (ie. updates don't break applications) | Nov 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.reddit.com/2009/11/moving-to-cloud.html | Nov 13 00:26 |
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| shreddar | Also, how is the hardware detection in it? | Nov 13 00:27 |
| ender2070 | its about the same as ubuntu in that regard | Nov 13 00:27 |
| ender2070 | anything non-free is a different story though | Nov 13 00:28 |
| shreddar | I want to know if things like updates or package installations have cause similar problems as Ubuntu. | Nov 13 00:31 |
| schestowitz | "Developers want Google to change the name of its new Go language because there's already a Go! language." http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/web_services/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=221601351 | Nov 13 00:32 |
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| _Hicham_ | shreddar : as long as u don't use updates-testing, updates doesn't break anything | Nov 13 00:33 |
| Will__ | I think I'm going to try Kubuntu before I settle in with Mandriva. I have a feeling I might miss the massive Debian package database. | Nov 13 00:34 |
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| shreddar | Does Fedora not have as many packages? | Nov 13 00:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distro of the Day: Not OpenSUSE ( #KDE 4.3 Video) http://bit.ly/3buxsU | Nov 13 00:39 | |
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| schestowitz | I could only find this decent video, no great | Nov 13 00:41 |
| schestowitz | I should find a dual-head.multihead kde4 video... | Nov 13 00:41 |
| shreddar | That's KDE has a icon/docker wheel. | Nov 13 00:41 |
| shreddar | cool | Nov 13 00:42 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: Dual Head xgl under Fedora 6 with NVidia Drivers < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2kqEKlOTW0 > | Nov 13 00:42 |
| schestowitz | This one is too old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUSn-jBA3CE | Nov 13 00:42 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - awesome | Nov 13 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Ah, this is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMErNsEoZw | Nov 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | 6 x MONITORS MULTIPLE MONITOR KDE 4.2.2 Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope Compiz Fusion XGL EasyStroke | Nov 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | But GNOME | Nov 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh, KDE 4.2.2 actually | Nov 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was inspired by Apple's OS X < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1561998/microsoft-inspired-apple-os-x > | Nov 13 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm transcoding it now | Nov 13 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Just 3mb cause it's rather static | Nov 13 00:47 |
| shreddar | I already knew that. | Nov 13 00:48 |
| shreddar | Saw a funny comparison video years ago. | Nov 13 00:48 |
| schestowitz | "BRITISH USERS of Apple's latest Mac OS X, Snow Leopard, have been complaining that they can no longer use their broadband dongles in their fruity machines." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1561947/snow-leopard-ate-broadband | Nov 13 00:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] SimplicITy – Linux for everyone! http://tinyurl.com/ybgmuhj #linux #foss #windows #xp #vista #microsoft | Nov 13 00:49 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/12/lithium_planet_spotting/ | Nov 13 00:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Boffins find new way to spot stars which have planets • The Register .::. Size~: 28.24 KB | Nov 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: the guy behind SimplicITy got in touch w/ me | Nov 13 00:53 |
| _goblin | nice! | Nov 13 00:54 |
| _goblin | its a great idea... | Nov 13 00:54 |
| _goblin | I take it then Im late with my article.... | Nov 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | They seem to notice.... Liam | Nov 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | They chose Mint | Nov 13 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe, if it goes well, they can help fund Clem and Canonical | Nov 13 00:55 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/12/spears_twitter_hack/ | Nov 13 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | See the message | Nov 13 00:56 |
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| shreddar | I think I found it. | Nov 13 00:59 |
| shreddar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdGt3ix2CQ | Nov 13 00:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Speak to the hand......." http://ping.fm/6Sow8 | Nov 13 01:00 | |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft might pull XP from sub-notebooks. Shot in foot. | Nov 13 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Pogue? | Nov 13 01:02 |
| schestowitz | NYT's David Pogue on Windows Vista < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6YO30GhmQ > | Nov 13 01:03 |
| Will__ | schestowitz: Microsoft seems to have plenty of feet to blow off. It's like a reverse hydra. | Nov 13 01:05 |
| shreddar | Maybe that was the video I saw. | Nov 13 01:05 |
| shreddar | I know I saw that one years ago as well. | Nov 13 01:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I see somone is using the Astralknight handle and then linking to Boycott Novell...do they really think people will believe its genuine? | Nov 13 01:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] to go to the trouble of doing it would suggest theres are few messages the MS faithful would like to silence. Otherwise why bother? | Nov 13 01:08 | |
| schestowitz | http://m.pocket-lint.com/news/news.phtml/29222 | Nov 13 01:14 |
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| Will__ | http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/12/2337236/Flash-Vulnerability-Found-Adobe-Says-No-Fix-Forthcoming?art_pos=1 | Nov 13 01:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot News Story | Flash Vulnerability Found, Adobe Says No Fix Forthcoming .::. Size~: 136.29 KB | Nov 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | To hell with Adobe | Nov 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | They have just fired many | Nov 13 01:15 |
| Will__ | schestowitz: the sooner flash starts to disappear, the better | Nov 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | If Flash become abandonware (it will one day), then gnash will save the content on all architectures and platforms: http://www.twit.tv/floss94 | Nov 13 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/12/sap-java-lobbies-against-oracle/ | Nov 13 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8353863.stm | Nov 13 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091112/1212386914.shtml | Nov 13 01:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Will Murdoch Kill The One Smart Part Of The WSJ's Paywall? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 44.71 KB | Nov 13 01:19 |
| shreddar | I too can't wait till Flash dies or is open sourced | Nov 13 01:20 |
| shreddar | Either way it should be used for video. | Nov 13 01:20 |
| shreddar | shouldn't | Nov 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Video is video | Nov 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | They just wrap it up in blobs | Nov 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | FLoating objects | Nov 13 01:20 |
| Balrog_ | most video isn't even wrapped in flash | Nov 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | gnash does some great job | Nov 13 01:20 |
| Balrog_ | the swf is only used to play it and somewhere a .mp4 or similar file is references | Nov 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: it gets the swf/fla extension | Nov 13 01:21 |
| Balrog_ | often it's mpeg-4 in a flv wrapper | Nov 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 13 01:21 |
| Balrog_ | the swf/fla is usually just the player | Nov 13 01:21 |
| Balrog_ | look at ClickToFlash ... I know it's for Mac, but it actually rewrites youtube pages on-the-fly to use <video> tags instead of flash | Nov 13 01:22 |
| Balrog_ | I haven't seen an equivalent for Firefox yet :( | Nov 13 01:22 |
| shreddar | Well, I'm tired of flash players messing up on what ever experimental browser I'm using. | Nov 13 01:23 |
| shreddar | It should work like images and text work. | Nov 13 01:23 |
| Balrog_ | I don't like flash. On any non-Windows platform it drags the system down | Nov 13 01:23 |
| ender2070 | I'd like to see HTML5 replace flash very soon | Nov 13 01:23 |
| schestowitz | It does in BN :-) | Nov 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | We post at last one ogg/day | Nov 13 01:25 |
| shreddar | I just want the video element to replace it. | Nov 13 01:25 |
| shreddar | I hope google open sources and makes royalty free vp6, 7, 8 or whatever On2 is working on. | Nov 13 01:26 |
| ender2070 | the stuff theora was based on was royalty free | Nov 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | This sign is hilarious: http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1572 | Nov 13 01:28 |
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| shreddar | ender2070: that was vp3 | Nov 13 01:32 |
| Will__ | schestowitz: that sign is a quick image edit away from being a good Vista Mk 2 ad. | Nov 13 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/12/wikipedia_sued_by_convicted_murderer/ | Nov 13 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | Must be one of then more obese states (that sign) | Nov 13 01:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Top BBC bosses' salaries revealed - OMFG!!!! http://tinyurl.com/y9tev5r | Nov 13 01:40 | |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: does he get Microsoft kickbacks on top of that? :p | Nov 13 01:41 |
| ThistleWeb | I have no idea | Nov 13 01:41 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/25/msbbc-grilled-video/ | Nov 13 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Watch this. | Nov 13 01:42 |
| ThistleWeb | these salaries are fucking ridiculous, considering it's an extortion racket | Nov 13 01:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why BBC is Microsoft Media (Video) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 146.71 KB | Nov 13 01:42 |
| ThistleWeb | I like how they count how many licences = each part | Nov 13 01:43 |
| ThistleWeb | while not mentioning that you can go to jail for not owning one | Nov 13 01:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin where? | Nov 13 01:46 | |
| ThistleWeb | "part of the conditions of the test that it was only tested in xp" WTF?????? | Nov 13 01:47 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: or get 'harassed' with letters even if you keep telling them you don't have a set | Nov 13 01:47 |
| ThistleWeb | oh yeah my shredder loves them | Nov 13 01:47 |
| ThistleWeb | it's developed a taste for them | Nov 13 01:47 |
| ThistleWeb | that maybe my fault though | Nov 13 01:48 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Nov 13 01:48 |
| schestowitz | They keep sending more | Nov 13 01:48 |
| schestowitz | That's what the TV licence pays for | Nov 13 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Call centres and papers | Nov 13 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Every year I need to 'remind' them that I don't use TV anymore, I have the Internet | Nov 13 01:48 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah it's Capita | Nov 13 01:49 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10395891-245.html | Nov 13 01:49 |
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| ThistleWeb | tvlicence.biz I think is the anti site the licence peeps forgot to buy the url for | Nov 13 01:49 |
| ThistleWeb | or maybe tvlicencing.biz | Nov 13 01:50 |
| ThistleWeb | something like that | Nov 13 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtt9D_v2Oxc&NR=1 | Nov 13 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | best part | Nov 13 01:50 |
| ThistleWeb | that video did give me one eurika momment about why these corps need to pay "the best" execs, the better the exec is, the smarmier they are with govt hearings, the better they lie | Nov 13 01:51 |
| schestowitz | I gave up paper about 6 years ago, cellphones 5 years ago, and same with TV | Nov 13 01:51 |
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| ThistleWeb | if you pay someone a regular salary, they wont be as good at decieving others | Nov 13 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Computers replace all/most of those | Nov 13 01:51 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: he stuttered a lot | Nov 13 01:52 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I;m at that bit now | Nov 13 01:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes,I love that one! | Nov 13 01:53 |
| ThistleWeb | the BBC just remind me on an incontinent elephant, no matter how much they piss, they'll always have more left in the bladder to cover more peeps | Nov 13 01:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Miguel de Icaza spreads libel about me. http://ping.fm/QGcyi | Nov 13 01:54 | |
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| ThistleWeb | "nobodys offered the sheer quantity of new content?" apart from youtube? | Nov 13 01:55 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 13 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Eventually they turned to Flash | Nov 13 01:55 |
| schestowitz | And they then called it "Cross-platform" | Nov 13 01:55 |
| schestowitz | After blowing millions at Microsoft UK | Nov 13 01:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1561899/top-technologies-death-spiral Top 10 technologies in a death spiral | Nov 13 01:57 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: in the nicest possible way, BN makes people angry | Nov 13 02:00 |
| ThistleWeb | when you read about, or watch clips like that it makes the blood boil | Nov 13 02:00 |
| ThistleWeb | not the messenger, but the message | Nov 13 02:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz http://tinyurl.com/ykvxg3d click on the Astralknight name | Nov 13 02:01 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: WordPress upgrade | Nov 13 02:14 |
| schestowitz | I've done 2/3 of my blogs | Nov 13 02:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin very weird | Nov 13 02:17 | |
| schestowitz | Soldiers 'hit and kicked' Mousa < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8350917.stm > | Nov 13 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC is probably in favour | Nov 13 02:20 |
| schestowitz | http://mediactive.com/2009/11/08/toward-a-slow-news-movement/ | Nov 13 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | Iraqi court rules Guardian defamed Nouri al-Maliki http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/10/guardian-nour-al-maliki-iraq | Nov 13 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | so I still can't find a way to use my webcam for video calls in Linux | Nov 13 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, at least not something that works with me on my side and a Windows user on theirs | Nov 13 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/New-Microsoft-patent-may-put-Linux-security-components-at-risk-857848.html | Nov 13 02:26 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Thoughts? | Nov 13 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/536-propose-a-name-for-fedora-13 | Nov 13 02:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @scientes really sorry, Ive just seen your reply (and its very late here) Interesting link, I'll reply tomorrow! Thanks! | Nov 13 02:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, bed for me...Night all. | Nov 13 02:31 | |
| _goblin | Roy, your constitution is far better than mine...I can't stay up any longer! GN! | Nov 13 02:32 |
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| DaemonFC | OpenSuse 11.2 is out for those that care | Nov 13 02:34 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think I'll just make a dual boot and have done with it | Nov 13 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | I have a 1 TB hard drive, I can work something out :P | Nov 13 02:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Listening to Linux Outlaws 121 | Nov 13 02:38 | |
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| _Hicham_ | I must test openSUSE 11.2 | Nov 13 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to decide how much space to give Windows | Nov 13 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | 100 gigs maybe? | Nov 13 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | nah, probably 300? | Nov 13 02:43 |
| _Hicham_ | none | Nov 13 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | I want some space for games, I can move all the music to the Linux partition | Nov 13 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | well, like I said | Nov 13 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like it if Linux could do something with my webcam other than cheese | Nov 13 02:44 |
| _Hicham_ | like what ? | Nov 13 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's not really all that social when you get to the social stuff | Nov 13 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | like wanting video chat | Nov 13 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | the instant messaging capabilities of Linux are like 10 years behind | Nov 13 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | if you go back to AOL Instant Messenger circa 1999, that's what Pidgin or Empathy remind me of | Nov 13 02:46 |
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| _Hicham_ | i don't use instant messaging that much | Nov 13 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | what I don't get is how onw guy in spare time can kick Pidgin's ass | Nov 13 02:56 |
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| DaemonFC | and implement most MSN/WLM features | Nov 13 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | (aMSN) | Nov 13 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Turns out some people visit my site after Gooling "roy"... I'm in page 1 of results sometimes | Nov 13 02:58 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, roy is the king | Nov 13 02:58 |
| _Hicham_ | doesn't it mean the king ? | Nov 13 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Roy Lichtenstein | Nov 13 02:58 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy BoycottNovell | Nov 13 02:59 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. NO! | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't like being associated with that title | Nov 13 03:00 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy beats Miguel de Icaza inside the rings | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I found you a girlfriend :-) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/08/28/true-talent/ | Nov 13 03:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Now, Thats True Talent .::. Size~: 30.88 KB | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: check out http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Nov-12-2.html | Nov 13 03:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apps - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 14.42 KB | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | "I know that various members of the Moonlight team are passionate about Moonlight because it is this next generation API for building GUI applications." | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | "Which applications do you think are needed nad could be built with Moonlight?" | Nov 13 03:01 |
| schestowitz | Miguel wants to bring Microsoft to Linux... that's very kind of him | Nov 13 03:01 |
| schestowitz | Does Goldfarb and other Miguel friends allow access to patents and stuff? To 'freetards', not Novell 'enterprises' | Nov 13 03:01 |
| _Hicham_ | Moonlight is the key | Nov 13 03:02 |
| schestowitz | To the night | Nov 13 03:02 |
| _Hicham_ | Mono in the long term will probably provide its own toolkit | Nov 13 03:04 |
| _Hicham_ | instead on focusing on bindings | Nov 13 03:04 |
| schestowitz | SBallmer will shed tears of joy | Nov 13 03:05 |
| _Hicham_ | MFC-Mono | Nov 13 03:06 |
| _Hicham_ | but MS can't let them implement MFC | Nov 13 03:06 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE is out again... now with limited edition... signature from Miguel, eh? | Nov 13 03:06 |
| schestowitz | They call it OpenSUSE CodePlex Edition | Nov 13 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | I gotta try it | Nov 13 03:07 |
| schestowitz | On the other DVD layer you get Windows, TOO :-) | Nov 13 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | and see if they improved yast | Nov 13 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | that would be great | Nov 13 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | having Windows and Linux on the same DVD | Nov 13 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Detienen a cuatro integrantes de una banda de secuestradores Proyecto 40, Hannia Novell < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9rwFML2Rko > | Nov 13 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | profiting from security and insecurity | Nov 13 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : stop playing violent games | Nov 13 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Everyone's happy, except the users | Nov 13 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft and Novell shook hands on it | Nov 13 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | I am happy with openSUSE | Nov 13 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | I was making fun of a friend with XP | Nov 13 03:09 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's a cultural thing in Indiana | Nov 13 03:09 |
| schestowitz | They need to train before being dispatched to Vietraq | Nov 13 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | "Windows XP loves you, Windows XP wants to be with you, Windows XP wants to stab its tentacles into your brain and merge with you" | Nov 13 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, DaemonFC will do a good soldier | Nov 13 03:09 |
| schestowitz | The Vista 7 ads almost reached a halt | Nov 13 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft blew $300,000,000 on brainwash too fast | Nov 13 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | firefox-3.6b2 seems pretty stable | Nov 13 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Now they are left with SP3 turdware | Nov 13 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2b2) Gecko/20091112 Fedora/3.6-0.2.beta2.fc12 Firefox/3.6b2 | Nov 13 03:10 |
| schestowitz | People almost forget about Vista 7, unless they buy a new large PC, which few do | Nov 13 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Acer says sales are flat | Nov 13 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Poor Winidws | Nov 13 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Another dry quarter | Nov 13 03:11 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft sells SLE* now | Nov 13 03:11 |
| schestowitz | So it has more than 1 egg in its basket | Nov 13 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I am not thrilled with Windows 7 | Nov 13 03:11 |
| schestowitz | New Microsoft branch in Provo, next to Novell's. | Nov 13 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | seems like a hillbilly duct tape repair to Vista | Nov 13 03:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes | Nov 13 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Predictable | Nov 13 03:12 |
| _Hicham_ | Ubuntu and Mandriva are the only distros eligible to be installed by default on new PCs | Nov 13 03:12 |
| schestowitz | All the Windows fans have it | Nov 13 03:12 |
| schestowitz | The n00bs have not used it yet | Nov 13 03:12 |
| schestowitz | When they get a new PC they might | Nov 13 03:12 |
| schestowitz | The printer and stuff won't work properly | Nov 13 03:12 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: or Mint | Nov 13 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Being a derivative really, but still... | Nov 13 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It seems to have all the problems of Vista and very few actual improvements | Nov 13 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Mint or Ubuntu are not as configurable as Mandriva | Nov 13 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | there are a few, but there's at least as many regressions | Nov 13 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | MCC is really a leader | Nov 13 03:13 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: how so? | Nov 13 03:13 |
| schestowitz | No central control like Mandriva's gtk-based? | Nov 13 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Nov 13 03:14 |
| _Hicham_ | central control is essential | Nov 13 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is a muted issue now | Nov 13 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Only if I search for it I find coverage | Nov 13 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise it's treated like old news | Nov 13 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Even Vista hype lasted longer in Feb-June 2007 | Nov 13 03:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: what about yast2? No good? | Nov 13 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | they still need to write drak-schestowitz | Nov 13 03:15 |
| schestowitz | It was good even in 8.1 | Nov 13 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : yast2 software installer becomes slow with multiple repos | Nov 13 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | and it takes forever to load | Nov 13 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | other than that, it is great | Nov 13 03:16 |
| ThistleWeb | to a certain degree you have to feel sorry for MS, no matter what they do, they fail. Usually if a company has a bad patch, they at least pick up a few minor wins to help kickstart them and give them hope that things will get better | Nov 13 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | the last patch | Nov 13 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | MS vs FOSS | Nov 13 03:16 |
| ThistleWeb | MS seem to be like a football team plummeting down the league with little hope of slowing the decent | Nov 13 03:16 |
| ThistleWeb | a bit like Hull | Nov 13 03:16 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, though Hull at least got a win the other week | Nov 13 03:17 |
| ThistleWeb | 3rd win all year | Nov 13 03:17 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : why not use openSUSE ? | Nov 13 03:18 |
| ThistleWeb | of course it's entirely self inflicted | Nov 13 03:18 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it helps Novell | Nov 13 03:18 |
| schestowitz | Don't. | Nov 13 03:18 |
| schestowitz | Try other distros and report back | Nov 13 03:18 |
| _Hicham_ | Novell still helps kernel | Nov 13 03:19 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE no longer has deivatives other than studio mixes, I think | Nov 13 03:19 |
| _Hicham_ | and GNOME | Nov 13 03:19 |
| schestowitz | Caixa Magica moved to Mandriva base | Nov 13 03:19 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: if Novell loses its market share, Red Hat will gain it and pay those people | Nov 13 03:19 |
| schestowitz | It's zero-sum in a way | Nov 13 03:19 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat already has the market | Nov 13 03:20 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat is trying to attract Kraig Kroah Hartman | Nov 13 03:23 |
| _Hicham_ | but this guy is a true SUSE lover | Nov 13 03:23 |
| _Hicham_ | he is the one to have started openSUSE project | Nov 13 03:24 |
| ender2070 | hartman kicks ass | Nov 13 03:24 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : ? | Nov 13 03:25 |
| schestowitz | I dunno, he reminds me of Ballmer sometimes | Nov 13 03:25 |
| ender2070 | ive watched a few of his linux talks | Nov 13 03:25 |
| ender2070 | funny guy | Nov 13 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm ditching Comcast | Nov 13 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | I've made up my mind about that | Nov 13 03:26 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : he is the original udev writer | Nov 13 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably be going back to AT&T though | Nov 13 03:26 |
| ender2070 | Ballmer is a wackjob | Nov 13 03:26 |
| _Hicham_ | Novell also started the NetworkManager project | Nov 13 03:26 |
| _Hicham_ | that Ubuntu is using now | Nov 13 03:26 |
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| schestowitz | Well, 'xept Hartman codes and Ballmer just yells at people | Nov 13 03:26 |
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| schestowitz | Mutex ban-evading | Nov 13 03:27 |
| _Hicham_ | i was gonna tell u that | Nov 13 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it's Goldtastic! | Nov 13 03:28 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Novell did a lot of job | Nov 13 03:29 |
| _Hicham_ | apart mono | Nov 13 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Nurnberg did | Nov 13 03:29 |
| _Hicham_ | who is that ? | Nov 13 03:29 |
| schestowitz | SuSE | Nov 13 03:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | why.... so.... serious?! | Nov 13 03:31 |
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| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : writing some java code ? | Nov 13 03:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Nov 13 03:32 |
| schestowitz | Here's a game for Daemon: http://www.libervis.com/article/modern-warfare-2-jolts-the-player-awake-with-a-question-what-kind-of-a-world-is-this | Nov 13 03:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Modern Warfare 2 jolts the player awake with a question: what kind of a world is this? | Libervis.com .::. Size~: 43.97 KB | Nov 13 03:33 |
| ender2070 | you know who uses CIL? the DEVIL! | Nov 13 03:33 |
| schestowitz | gn | Nov 13 03:33 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : u don't use Sun's Proprietary API ? | Nov 13 03:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | _what_ proprietary API? | Nov 13 03:34 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : I packaged some java stuff in Fedora, and I noticed that the compiler gives me a lot of warnings about proprietary APIs | Nov 13 03:36 |
| _Hicham_ | I googled for them but I didn't find any replacement | Nov 13 03:37 |
| _Hicham_ | packages who depend on that api won't be jdk-1.7 compatible | Nov 13 03:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: which java? | Nov 13 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | because openjdk6 probably doesnt include them | Nov 13 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is what everyone uses on linux | Nov 13 03:42 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : openjdk of course | Nov 13 03:42 |
| _Hicham_ | i can't package stuff that depend on proprietary jdk | Nov 13 03:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont even know what this proprietary api si | Nov 13 03:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | the sooner you start spouting class names the sooner I can tell you no one uses it | Nov 13 03:43 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : do u want me to give u examples ? | Nov 13 03:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | class names. | Nov 13 03:44 |
| _Hicham_ | !google sun proprietary api | Nov 13 03:44 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Bug ID: 6476630 No way to suppress "Sun proprietary api" warning | http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do%3Fbug_id%3D6476630 | Nov 13 03:44 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - java.net Forums : How to Suppress " Sun proprietary API" ... | http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa%3FmessageID%3D345943 | Nov 13 03:44 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - [#APF-583] BASE64Encoder is Sun proprietary API and may be removed ... | http://issues.appfuse.org/browse/APF-583 | Nov 13 03:44 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Romain Guy's Weblog: Java SE 6 anti-hack feature | http://www.jroller.com/gfx/entry/java_se_6_anti_hack | Nov 13 03:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, Im thinking thats shit no one uses | Nov 13 03:45 |
| _Hicham_ | well it is used by a lot of open source projects | Nov 13 03:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | no its not | Nov 13 03:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | naming/SnContextFactory.java:15: warning: com.sun.jndi.toolkit.url.UrlUtil is Sun proprietary API and may be removed in a future release | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | import com.sun.jndi.toolkit.url.UrlUtil; | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats not used by any jndi using app | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Balrog_ | hmm why can't it be reimplemented? | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats used by sun's jndi impl internally | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its already replaced | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | Balrog_: already has | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Balrog_ | hmm ok | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Balrog_ | then what's the issue? | Nov 13 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | remember, openjdk6 is forked off of an old version of 7 | Nov 13 03:46 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : so u can help me deleting the proprietary api ? | Nov 13 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: easy, use 7. | Nov 13 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, quit using 6 | Nov 13 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | its outdated | Nov 13 03:47 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : they won't work | Nov 13 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: also | Nov 13 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | UrlUtil is not part of the API | Nov 13 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | period | Nov 13 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | so quit trying to claim it is | Nov 13 03:47 |
| _Hicham_ | u taken just one example | Nov 13 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the only example that you gave | Nov 13 03:47 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a ShellFolders class that drove me nuts | Nov 13 03:48 |
| _Hicham_ | wait | Nov 13 03:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: also, those warnings pop up on legacy files | Nov 13 03:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not "proprietary" | Nov 13 03:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just not documented | Nov 13 03:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can rtsl | Nov 13 03:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | its yet again a case of people who cant read, or refuse to | Nov 13 03:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | the warning pops up when you use a file that isnt properly documented | Nov 13 03:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | its open source, its just not part of the docs. | Nov 13 03:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | all of those have been fixed | Nov 13 03:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one has given a shit to back port the changes to openjdk6 | Nov 13 03:50 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : look at that log : http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/jide-oss/2.7.1/3.1181svn.fc12/data/logs/noarch/build.log | Nov 13 03:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 13 03:51 |
| _Hicham_ | give me a replacement to the shellfolder class | Nov 13 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, you're talking to someone who doesnt care | Nov 13 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | use 7. | Nov 13 03:51 |
| _Hicham_ | 7 is not out yet | Nov 13 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | 6 is just barely supported by sun | Nov 13 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and 7 is basically as done as its going to get | Nov 13 03:52 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is not released yet | Nov 13 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | its officially coming out in march or april | Nov 13 03:52 |
| _Hicham_ | great | Nov 13 03:53 |
| _Hicham_ | i hope that it will make it into distros in time | Nov 13 03:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Lost In Translation | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y9t5tcv | Nov 13 06:05 | |
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| eGaTS | hi | Nov 13 06:18 |
| eGaTS | anyone around? | Nov 13 06:19 |
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| eGaTS | i had a question about ACL's... | Nov 13 06:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ New report reveals US indirectly funding Taliban in #Afghanistan http://ur1.ca/fo46 Lets get out of this $300B #war http://ur1.ca/f8ft | Nov 13 06:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I have been paid. Feels good, man. | Nov 13 07:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Tonight's is the last edition of London Lite! I hope you will all grab a copy, in case you run out of bogroll. | Nov 13 08:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Serious archival DVDs, ~1000yr estimated life - pricey but cool http://is.gd/4U0WN | Nov 13 08:40 | |
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| cubezzz | yeah, read that :) | Nov 13 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6899/1/ | Nov 13 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Let me test to see all's OK | Nov 13 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/11/arabic-speakers-needed-in-austin.html "It's not just a matter of the system we gave them being Linux...these folks are not computer users and the concept of right and left mouse clicking eludes them." | Nov 13 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | He should use SimplicITy :-) | Nov 13 09:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8503 | Nov 13 09:21 |
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| fewa | "Delusions of grandeur prevent honest discussion of problems" | Nov 13 09:22 |
| fewa | that pretty much sums up my lifes work to date | Nov 13 09:23 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://cryptogon.com/?p=12051 | Nov 13 09:24 |
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| *schestowitz sniggers | Nov 13 09:24 | |
| schestowitz | "I ak GOD!!! Hear me roar." | Nov 13 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Alexander the Great was the same, making himself believe he was the son of God after some people around Algiers told him so | Nov 13 09:27 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates also believes that by hoarding everything he does people a favour | Nov 13 09:27 |
| fewa | ^^^^ | Nov 13 09:38 |
| fewa | Men try to rationalize their greed | Nov 13 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Blech. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aqPYJqlCzOHo | Nov 13 09:39 |
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| fewa | they pay yes men to convert everyone to a world in which they are right | Nov 13 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | 'It was “an obviously ironic, throwaway response,” van Praag told me in an e-mail. “Sort of like saying, ‘I’m living the dream’ in response to a question about how you’re doing.”' | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | fewa: PR, like Gates Foundry? | Nov 13 09:40 |
| fewa | meh | Nov 13 09:40 |
| fewa | Gates understands there is resistance | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | It's rather sickening to see how effectievly it brainwahes the masses | Nov 13 09:40 |
| fewa | more like The Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | http://cityfile.com/dailyfile/7885 | Nov 13 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Good news (but could be better): The Times managed to get its hands on the tax filings for Goldman Sachs Foundation today. (We reported on the previous year's charitable donations a couple of weeks ago, as you may recall.) According to the filing (which "is as thick as a phone book"), the firm has set aside another $200 million to give away to charity and the foundation now has a total of $404 million in assets. " | Nov 13 09:41 |
| schestowitz | "Unfortunately, it isn't giving much of it away. (It doled out $12 million in 2007 and another $22 million in 2008.) And it's still a drop in the bucket compared to what the bank will be paying out in bonuses: "[T]he money allotted for its foundation is dwarfed by the sums that will be doled out to its bankers. In the first nine months of this year, the firm set aside about $17 billion for bonuses and other compensation."" | Nov 13 09:41 |
| fewa | Gates is in the first part: developing a personality/nationalist cult | Nov 13 09:41 |
| cubezzz | there's less brainwashing now | Nov 13 09:41 |
| schestowitz | fewa: well, they pay many newspapers for it | Nov 13 09:41 |
| fewa | nationalism has been turned into "corporate responsibility/loyalty" | Nov 13 09:41 |
| schestowitz | This reminds me of how in some fascist countries they set up large sculptures of leaders | Nov 13 09:41 |
| fewa | cubezzz, referring to rise of the Internet? | Nov 13 09:42 |
| cubezzz | mainly yes | Nov 13 09:42 |
| fewa | you have to create worship, before you can shove dogma down peoples throats | Nov 13 09:42 |
| cubezzz | although the rise of FOSS is slower than I hoped it would be | Nov 13 09:42 |
| fewa | Yes, software will be the new method of control | Nov 13 09:43 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft can't control anyone who doesn't use it | Nov 13 09:44 |
| fewa | I'm not just referring to Microsoft | Nov 13 09:44 |
| fewa | Even those that run a totally free OS, run non-free javascript everyday | Nov 13 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Apple also builds a little "cult" | Nov 13 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Don't forget that Google does not quite have that | Nov 13 09:46 |
| cubezzz | it's just marketing | Nov 13 09:46 |
| MinceR | yet. | Nov 13 09:46 |
| fewa | schestowitz, as a method of control, Apple's monopolies are much more critical that its "cult" | Nov 13 09:46 |
| schestowitz | People should really stop rallying around people and corporations | Nov 13 09:46 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 13 09:46 |
| cubezzz | as one becomes more knowledgeable the marketing becomes ineffective | Nov 13 09:46 |
| MinceR | though rallying around people instead of corporations would be a good start, imo. | Nov 13 09:46 |
| fewa | people gain resistance | Nov 13 09:47 |
| fewa | its like pesticides | Nov 13 09:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I was referring to extreme capitalists | Nov 13 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Like Icahn and other gangsters | Nov 13 09:47 |
| cubezzz | Gates has a kind of illness I guess | Nov 13 09:47 |
| cubezzz | always wanting more control | Nov 13 09:47 |
| fewa | schestowitz, state-corporate mobsters | Nov 13 09:47 |
| fewa | schestowitz, "pure capitalists" cant keep control without a strong state | Nov 13 09:48 |
| fewa | and a state that protects their interests | Nov 13 09:48 |
| fewa | that sort of control is quickly waning | Nov 13 09:49 |
| cubezzz | those depositions show what Gates is really like | Nov 13 09:49 |
| cubezzz | take knowledge, give next to nothing in return | Nov 13 09:50 |
| fewa | gates needs a strong rule of law | Nov 13 09:50 |
| fewa | the type of person that thrives under such a rule of law | Nov 13 09:50 |
| cubezzz | as long as he can't control the ISPs | Nov 13 09:51 |
| cubezzz | then I think we are pretty much OK | Nov 13 09:51 |
| fewa | Internet Freedom Preservation Act | Nov 13 09:51 |
| fewa | cubezzz, don't focus on one actor | Nov 13 09:51 |
| fewa | sign the petition--> http://savetheinternet.com/ | Nov 13 09:51 |
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| cubezzz | I'm sure there's lots of other bad guys, but Gates is the bad guy I know the most about | Nov 13 09:51 |
| fewa | "First as a tragedy, then as farce" | Nov 13 09:52 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: but those depositions are seen by few | Nov 13 09:52 |
| cubezzz | really if you compare now to the 80's we are doing great | Nov 13 09:52 |
| fewa | the mobster type never makes their own incidiousness | Nov 13 09:52 |
| schestowitz | He invests millions or billions in flooding the press with self gloorification | Nov 13 09:52 |
| cubezzz | for the most part | Nov 13 09:52 |
| schestowitz | It's like Brand Oabama | Nov 13 09:52 |
| fewa | they barrow it from the Gates type | Nov 13 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Some say Obama and the cronies he uses (companies) spent $2bn just building his 'brand' before the elections | Nov 13 09:53 |
| schestowitz | It's sick | Nov 13 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Brainwash (PR) | Nov 13 09:53 |
| fewa | Gates is a "innovator of insidiousness" | Nov 13 09:53 |
| cubezzz | better Obama than Bush | Nov 13 09:53 |
| fewa | schestowitz, its equally an effigy | Nov 13 09:53 |
| cubezzz | anyway, I have zero control over that :) | Nov 13 09:54 |
| fewa | cubezzz, you have some | Nov 13 09:54 |
| fewa | or at least on the much realer issues of American hegemony | Nov 13 09:54 |
| cubezzz | fewa, I can't vote for any president, I'm Canadian | Nov 13 09:55 |
| cubezzz | I guess I would have voted for Nader if possible | Nov 13 09:55 |
| fewa | for example: Canadian single payer health care is highly influential in the demand for an US counterpart | Nov 13 09:55 |
| fewa | the "infection" as elites call it | Nov 13 09:56 |
| fewa | the infection of better ways spreads | Nov 13 09:56 |
| fewa | Senior seeking solace in Canadian purchaced pharmaceuticals | Nov 13 09:57 |
| fewa | escaping from the broken patent systems of the US | Nov 13 09:57 |
| cubezzz | I'm fortunate, I don't need any drugs, and I'm not sick in any way | Nov 13 09:58 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you could say "most people don't look at source code" too | Nov 13 09:58 |
| fewa | And a issue strikingly more poinent, and asking for critical action now, reversing the Bush-era programs of "State Security" and citizen as prisionier | Nov 13 09:59 |
| cubezzz | but the point is they _can_ if they choose | Nov 13 09:59 |
| fewa | in regards to the more restricted US-Canadian border | Nov 13 09:59 |
| cubezzz | apathy is hard to fight | Nov 13 09:59 |
| fewa | for example, cubezzz, you should push for your local ordinance to pass a resolution that you will accept American conscience objects | Nov 13 10:00 |
| fewa | *objectors | Nov 13 10:00 |
| fewa | and evaders of drafts | Nov 13 10:00 |
| fewa | cubezzz, as your Federal government has sold you out on that issue | Nov 13 10:00 |
| cubezzz | fewa, I'm not sure about the rules of that | Nov 13 10:00 |
| cubezzz | I guess it would be up to immigration? | Nov 13 10:00 |
| fewa | there was a Federal resolution that Canada would extradite anyone evading a draft | Nov 13 10:00 |
| fewa | under pressure from the US | Nov 13 10:01 |
| fewa | in Vietnam thousands evaded by going to Canada | Nov 13 10:01 |
| cubezzz | yes I know | Nov 13 10:01 |
| cubezzz | I met some of those guys | Nov 13 10:01 |
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| fewa | However. many local ordinences have passed resolutions saying they will not obey this resolution | Nov 13 10:01 |
| fewa | I remember reading that the entire city of Vancouver had passed it | Nov 13 10:02 |
| cubezzz | fewa, as far as I know there's no conscription now right? | Nov 13 10:02 |
| cubezzz | so I don't see any problem | Nov 13 10:02 |
| fewa | In the US, many, many cities declared that their police forces would not obey PATIOT act provisions | Nov 13 10:02 |
| fewa | cubezzz, its a matter of protest | Nov 13 10:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Taking a look at Arch when I get home. I have one more rig to sort out before Ive made the move from Gnome to KDE or XFCE complete. | Nov 13 10:03 | |
| cubezzz | is the PATRIOT act still in effect? | Nov 13 10:03 |
| oiaohm | How much force can goverment use. In case of SA (state of australia here) Going broken. Citys decide to refuse resultion to clean up money problems. Simple cure dismiss councils. | Nov 13 10:04 |
| fewa | http://www.nytms-se.com/2009/07/04/patriot-act-repealed/#comments | Nov 13 10:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia .::. Size~: 56.54 KB | Nov 13 10:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Being so pleased with KDE (and loving Xfce for my main rig) I think it will be a while years before I look at Gnome again. | Nov 13 10:04 | |
| cubezzz | "Two sections were changed to sunset on December 31, 2009: section 206" | Nov 13 10:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Being so pleased with KDE (and loving Xfce for my main rig) I think it will be a while before I look at Gnome again. | Nov 13 10:05 | |
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| cubezzz | 2002 was my last visit to the USA | Nov 13 10:06 |
| cubezzz | fortunately there was no problem | Nov 13 10:07 |
| fewa | cubezzz, Nader has done so much for this country | Nov 13 10:09 |
| fewa | and the reforms were inplamented elsewhere | Nov 13 10:10 |
| fewa | its all buried under | Nov 13 10:10 |
| cubezzz | yeah I like him a lot | Nov 13 10:10 |
| schestowitz | He seems to be daemonised like RMS | Nov 13 10:10 |
| schestowitz | RMS BTW supports Nader | Nov 13 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Issue is lot of USA people don't get it. | Nov 13 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Australia has lots of regulations. | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | Nader gets on the nerve of the Big Criminals, so backlash against him from Big Media is only to be expected | Nov 13 10:11 |
| fewa | oiaohm, USA does too | Nov 13 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Like restricting how banks can invest there money. | Nov 13 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie only 10 percent of there investments can contain unknowns. | Nov 13 10:12 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, this might be of interest: | Nov 13 10:12 |
| fewa | since Reagen there has been a systematic dismantling of government | Nov 13 10:12 |
| cubezzz | http://www.itworldcanada.com/blogs/insights/2009/09/19/how-to-avoid-benefits-floss/51476/ | Nov 13 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Its one of the major reasons why with credit crunch we have not been hit too bad fewa | Nov 13 10:12 |
| fewa | the time that also spawned birth of the pro-corporate astroturf "think tanks" | Nov 13 10:13 |
| fewa | oiaohm, "credit crunch" is largely a misnomer | Nov 13 10:13 |
| oiaohm | It was for us. | Nov 13 10:13 |
| fewa | its very POV | Nov 13 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Big change for us is it now hard to get a credit card. | Nov 13 10:14 |
| cubezzz | well, I use debit card instead | Nov 13 10:14 |
| oiaohm | and it was insanely hard to get debit cards. | Nov 13 10:14 |
| cubezzz | how come? | Nov 13 10:14 |
| fewa | its the collapse of the bretton-woods system | Nov 13 10:14 |
| fewa | finially | Nov 13 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Banks here were not issuing them before the credit crunch here. | Nov 13 10:15 |
| fewa | oiaohm, ? | Nov 13 10:15 |
| oiaohm | There was more profit in people having credit cards for them. | Nov 13 10:15 |
| fewa | there might be some reform of bank fees to pass congress in a few weeks | Nov 13 10:15 |
| fewa | pretty limited stuff | Nov 13 10:15 |
| oiaohm | fewa: we have only 4 major banks. | Nov 13 10:16 |
| fewa | but none-the-less important | Nov 13 10:16 |
| fewa | oiaohm, US not dissimilar | Nov 13 10:16 |
| fewa | JP Morgan Chase | Nov 13 10:16 |
| fewa | Bank of America | Nov 13 10:16 |
| fewa | Credit Suzzi | Nov 13 10:16 |
| fewa | and then all the "special" banks | Nov 13 10:16 |
| fewa | AIG | Nov 13 10:16 |
| fewa | Freddie, Fannie | Nov 13 10:17 |
| fewa | oh at the top forgot Goldman Sachs | Nov 13 10:17 |
| fewa | they are the real state actor in US Govt todaty | Nov 13 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Commonwealth NAB Westpac and ANZ make up our 4 that contains most of the money in Australia. | Nov 13 10:17 |
| fewa | "most the money" | Nov 13 10:17 |
| oiaohm | And also have the best coverage. | Nov 13 10:18 |
| fewa | capital | Nov 13 10:18 |
| fewa | the only thing that matters is capital | Nov 13 10:18 |
| fewa | not money | Nov 13 10:18 |
| fewa | "best coverage" | Nov 13 10:19 |
| fewa | thats a financial service | Nov 13 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Note law here has requirement on held capital to cover money. | Nov 13 10:19 |
| fewa | not a product of a bank, per se | Nov 13 10:19 |
| fewa | oiaohm, no shit, fractional reserve exist in US also | Nov 13 10:19 |
| fewa | but has been falling apart | Nov 13 10:19 |
| oiaohm | With conductions what can be counted as fractional. | Nov 13 10:19 |
| fewa | China has the most stringent requirements in hard assets | Nov 13 10:20 |
| fewa | I believe it is 19% hard | Nov 13 10:20 |
| fewa | cubezzz, u read this? http://www.nytms-se.com/2009/07/04/patriot-act-repealed/ | Nov 13 10:21 |
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| oiaohm | Its kind instane here. 100 percent of stored money has to have backing. Of that 10 percent can be unknowns. Rest must be backed by valueable assets. Then there is a percentage in gold fewa. | Nov 13 10:22 |
| oiaohm | The USA fracional is crap. | Nov 13 10:22 |
| fewa | 100% capital? | Nov 13 10:23 |
| cubezzz | fewa, good | Nov 13 10:23 |
| fewa | cubezzz, read closely | Nov 13 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Note backed by valueable assets can be contain loans on property fewa. | Nov 13 10:23 |
| cubezzz | ok, which senator said no? :) | Nov 13 10:23 |
| fewa | oiaohm, wow, you have a sane system | Nov 13 10:24 |
| fewa | I should buy some AUDs | Nov 13 10:24 |
| cubezzz | too much wine? lol | Nov 13 10:24 |
| fewa | how is interest rate managed? | Nov 13 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Reserve bank makes up its mind on it then its up to the banks how close they follow it fewa | Nov 13 10:25 |
| fewa | damn | Nov 13 10:25 |
| fewa | none of this centrally managed economy BS | Nov 13 10:25 |
| cubezzz | oh, a satire | Nov 13 10:25 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Nov 13 10:26 |
| oiaohm | With our kind of system you can understand why the biggest worry from the credit crunch is that people would take fear and stop spending for us. | Nov 13 10:26 |
| fewa | cubezzz, look at the home page | Nov 13 10:26 |
| oiaohm | We have not had people losing there homes or anything else like that. | Nov 13 10:27 |
| fewa | oiaohm, yes your system is liable to stagnation | Nov 13 10:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Ubuntu chief responds to sexism allegations" http://ping.fm/FR7ub | Nov 13 10:27 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of these rules come from our great depression when most of our smaller banks fell over. | Nov 13 10:27 |
| fewa | same with US rules | Nov 13 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Taking all there money with them. | Nov 13 10:28 |
| fewa | which were overturned in 90s.... | Nov 13 10:28 |
| fewa | under clinton | Nov 13 10:28 |
| fewa | and also earlier | Nov 13 10:28 |
| fewa | S&L crisis | Nov 13 10:28 |
| oiaohm | We have not forget fewa | Nov 13 10:28 |
| fewa | Elizabeth Warren understands this very well | Nov 13 10:28 |
| fewa | and is certainly the person to reform it | Nov 13 10:28 |
| oiaohm | It become foke law. | Nov 13 10:28 |
| oiaohm | The great depression was the time of the large number of swag men fewa | Nov 13 10:29 |
| fewa | oiaohm, no shit | Nov 13 10:29 |
| oiaohm | For us. It helps that we sing about. | Nov 13 10:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Surprising how many people like the @uupc theme as a ringtone.. Here it is. http://bit.ly/8FfsJ (2.5MB) #fb | Nov 13 10:29 | |
| oiaohm | So we don't forget the failure. | Nov 13 10:29 |
| oiaohm | USA forgot so is now paying price. | Nov 13 10:30 |
| fewa | oiaohm, read the great US book on it | Nov 13 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Stagnation is hitting the IT indusitry here. | Nov 13 10:31 |
| fewa | geeze I cant get the name | Nov 13 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Now that could be just MS failing to release a product with features to be worth while upgrading. | Nov 13 10:31 |
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| fewa | aha | Nov 13 10:33 |
| fewa | Grapes of Wrath - Steinbeck | Nov 13 10:33 |
| oiaohm | fewa: do you have songs about it to remind everyone of the problem. | Nov 13 10:33 |
| fewa | oiaohm, the media got rid of them | Nov 13 10:33 |
| fewa | I love the songs | Nov 13 10:33 |
| fewa | but few know them anymore.... | Nov 13 10:33 |
| fewa | I happened to have a homesteader nanny | Nov 13 10:33 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Act | Nov 13 10:34 |
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| oiaohm | Once a jolly swagman. .... Basically unoffical nataonal anthem. | Nov 13 10:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #ff @sazzlerock @tobyw7 @schestowitz @indianagregg @moldor + probably many more!!!! | Nov 13 10:34 | |
| fewa | Its always amazing how much propaganda is the reverse of reality | Nov 13 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Basically if you are truthful media made you forget. | Nov 13 10:35 |
| fewa | how it is centralitzed control of economy and media that brings it down | Nov 13 10:35 |
| fewa | oiaohm, I'm amazed Australia, at least from you, seems to have evaded the whole thing | Nov 13 10:35 |
| fewa | lessig talks about it | Nov 13 10:35 |
| fewa | the century of mass media | Nov 13 10:35 |
| fewa | it started in Great Britian | Nov 13 10:36 |
| fewa | used in Germany for nationalism, and USA for capitalism | Nov 13 10:36 |
| fewa | and came to run the American society | Nov 13 10:37 |
| fewa | Grapes of Wrath covers the groundwork | Nov 13 10:38 |
| fewa | the fresh world of California's Orange County orange groves | Nov 13 10:38 |
| fewa | fallowed by the rise of Hollywood, and McDonalds | Nov 13 10:38 |
| fewa | and also the invention of the Motel | Nov 13 10:39 |
| fewa | and other National Highway System-based franchises | Nov 13 10:39 |
| fewa | where LA-mass transit was destroyed | Nov 13 10:39 |
| fewa | personal transit, because it uses more oil, and mass media, because it is easier to manipulate | Nov 13 10:40 |
| oiaohm | fewa: nothing amazed about it. | Nov 13 10:40 |
| oiaohm | We were just ready for it fewa | Nov 13 10:40 |
| fewa | meh | Nov 13 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Markets always crash. | Nov 13 10:41 |
| fewa | oiaohm, oh that | Nov 13 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Its just a question of when. | Nov 13 10:41 |
| fewa | I was talking about Mass Media | Nov 13 10:41 |
| fewa | this is a much more critical institution | Nov 13 10:41 |
| oiaohm | that is australian nature. | Nov 13 10:41 |
| fewa | one that largely ran the United States | Nov 13 10:41 |
| fewa | and even ran Germany into the ground way back | Nov 13 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Note an ex australian causes some of your problems. | Nov 13 10:42 |
| fewa | and mobilized the "allied countries" for war | Nov 13 10:42 |
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| fewa | that is the real reason WW2 was so "popular" | Nov 13 10:42 |
| oiaohm | packer and murdoch controls almost 100 percent of our media at one time. | Nov 13 10:43 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 13 10:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] ..and for those who claim I'm a freedom hater, here it is in ogg format http://bit.ly/1NMF9v | Nov 13 10:43 | |
| fewa | like the American capitalists in fast food and Hollywood a decade earlier | Nov 13 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Note murdoch now controls large block the USA media. | Nov 13 10:44 |
| fewa | perhaps it is Australia's whiteness that allowed to solidarity | Nov 13 10:44 |
| fewa | oiaohm, mass media | Nov 13 10:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RD @wikileaks Confidential plans for 1.2 billion ID cards: Creating a unique ID for every resident in India http://bit.ly/4mOrx4 | Nov 13 10:44 | |
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| fewa | I have diciplined myself to always refer to the "old media" as "mass media" | Nov 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | No we have a goverment run channel that runs a program called media watch fewa. | Nov 13 10:45 |
| fewa | much more accurate | Nov 13 10:45 |
| fewa | oiaohm, we have CSPAN | Nov 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Very populuar program. | Nov 13 10:45 |
| fewa | its been hijacked by "think tanks" | Nov 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | There complete job is to find media pulling porkies. | Nov 13 10:45 |
| fewa | aka the elite's yes men | Nov 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Lies mistakes ... Media watch is looking for it. | Nov 13 10:46 |
| fewa | oiaohm, oh that is decentralized and disorganied in US | Nov 13 10:46 |
| fewa | but there is alot of it | Nov 13 10:46 |
| fewa | a huge deal of it | Nov 13 10:46 |
| fewa | corruption is widespread in US | Nov 13 10:46 |
| oiaohm | then you have the media companies trying to find media watch making mistakes. | Nov 13 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Even droping other media companies in media watches hands for mistakes. | Nov 13 10:46 |
| fewa | "Delusions of grandeur prevent honest discussion of problems" | Nov 13 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Please beware media watch is a public broad cases program australia wide fewa | Nov 13 10:47 |
| fewa | The very small number of those invested in the system here are in denial | Nov 13 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Enforce good media prac by embancement of getting caugt. | Nov 13 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Getting caught by media watch can cut rating massively. | Nov 13 10:48 |
| fewa | but the vast majority of the population has either "droped out" or is working on new structures | Nov 13 10:48 |
| oiaohm | or sales. | Nov 13 10:48 |
| fewa | its the mass media that did great harm to this country | Nov 13 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically we have structors that are self regulating that works fewa | Nov 13 10:48 |
| fewa | build the type of culture that can consumer Apple's inferior and boring products | Nov 13 10:48 |
| fewa | a world of copies, of copies, of copies | Nov 13 10:49 |
| oiaohm | I have never head of a USA program like Media Watch fewa? | Nov 13 10:49 |
| fewa | oiaohm, FreePress.net, Media Matter, Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting | Nov 13 10:49 |
| oiaohm | http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/ | Nov 13 10:49 |
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| fewa | the US doesn't have "structors that are self regulating " | Nov 13 10:49 |
| fewa | we are far beyond such strictures | Nov 13 10:50 |
| fewa | the extremely strong tradition of free speech means that citizens always go straight to the people | Nov 13 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Just watch the media watch is well done fewa | Nov 13 10:51 |
| fewa | although few know its meaning, the US embraces anarchy | Nov 13 10:51 |
| fewa | oiaohm, watch The Daily Show | Nov 13 10:51 |
| fewa | w/ john stewart | Nov 13 10:51 |
| fewa | no mandate to reform, no mandate for fairness | Nov 13 10:51 |
| fewa | We do it because its the right thing to do | Nov 13 10:52 |
| fewa | the problem is drones | Nov 13 10:53 |
| fewa | the US needs to develop more self-education | Nov 13 10:53 |
| fewa | the Internet is one of those institutions | Nov 13 10:53 |
| fewa | once something is instutionalized it is corrupted | Nov 13 10:54 |
| fewa | limited | Nov 13 10:54 |
| fewa | anyways, im getting bullshitty | Nov 13 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Notice something else about media watch its short. fewa | Nov 13 10:54 |
| fewa | oiaohm, same with The Daily Show | Nov 13 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Under 4 mins fewa | Nov 13 10:55 |
| fewa | usually about ~5-6 minutes of content | Nov 13 10:55 |
| fewa | 4 days a week | Nov 13 10:55 |
| fewa | and half is news | Nov 13 10:55 |
| fewa | it differs by whatever is going on | Nov 13 10:55 |
| fewa | the world is converging | Nov 13 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically media watch is used in some areas of the goverment channel as add breaks. | Nov 13 10:56 |
| oiaohm | So yes if there are a lot of screw ups you can have lot of shorts. | Nov 13 10:56 |
| fewa | oiaohm, this credit crunch is great news for those invaded by the USA | Nov 13 10:56 |
| fewa | thats the real reason Obama is "rethinking" his choices in Afghanistan | Nov 13 10:57 |
| fewa | the economy simply cant support it | Nov 13 10:57 |
| fewa | I need a book of the old songs | Nov 13 10:58 |
| fewa | I've forgotten them from my recallable memory | Nov 13 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Really is USA troops are stupid to do it cheep. | Nov 13 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Opps too stupid to do it cheep. | Nov 13 10:59 |
| fewa | when mass media was newer it was able to foster folk | Nov 13 10:59 |
| fewa | but then it was corrupted | Nov 13 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Not using locals effectively mean you can never leave fewa | Nov 13 10:59 |
| fewa | look at Dixie Chicks fiasco | Nov 13 10:59 |
| fewa | oiaohm, exactly | Nov 13 11:00 |
| fewa | oiaohm, that has been the plan since 1050s | Nov 13 11:00 |
| fewa | *1950s | Nov 13 11:00 |
| fewa | to occupy Iraq | Nov 13 11:00 |
| fewa | and even that was simply reusing Great Britian/UK plans | Nov 13 11:00 |
| fewa | the US really inherited much of UK's empire | Nov 13 11:01 |
| fewa | just with differn't means | Nov 13 11:01 |
| fewa | or maybe moreso Spain's | Nov 13 11:01 |
| fewa | yeah, thats more accurate | Nov 13 11:01 |
| fewa | Monroe doctrine declared that as the intent from the beginning, around 1820s | Nov 13 11:01 |
| fewa | and then phillipines | Nov 13 11:02 |
| oiaohm | http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2737703.htm << Now this is important thing to watch. fewa | Nov 13 11:02 |
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| fewa | which is still a bastion of US corp influence | Nov 13 11:02 |
| fewa | and the embargo of Cuba | Nov 13 11:02 |
| fewa | the most economicall irrational choice | Nov 13 11:02 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Nov 13 11:02 | |
| fewa | at thing point only maintained because those who have maintained it don't know what else to do | Nov 13 11:03 |
| fewa | and have not yet lost power | Nov 13 11:03 |
| fewa | oiaohm, techdirt.com, a presumably US coolition, had good coverage of that | Nov 13 11:04 |
| fewa | Murdoch deserve public ridicule | Nov 13 11:04 |
| fewa | he just can't stand that his empire is crumbling | Nov 13 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Question is will MS follow this kind of path. | Nov 13 11:05 |
| fewa | oiaohm, if by path, you mean complete loss of control and ridicule, I think not | Nov 13 11:06 |
| fewa | they will either cease to matter | Nov 13 11:06 |
| fewa | or: they will use their giant bot-net to institite their own form of tyranny | Nov 13 11:06 |
| fewa | im not sure how the 2nd would look | Nov 13 11:06 |
| fewa | but I'm sure there is some use of all that control over a vast network of computers | Nov 13 11:07 |
| fewa | that are daily used by hundreds of millions of people | Nov 13 11:07 |
| fewa | of course: anyone tying their bandwagon to the sicking ship of Microsoft is an idiot | Nov 13 11:09 |
| phIRCe-local | of course: anyone tying their bandwagon to the sicking ship of Microsoft is an idiot | Nov 13 11:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Join the Linux Foundation! Show your support for the OS we love! http://www.linuxfoundation.org/ #foss #linux #microsoft #windows #xp #vista | Nov 13 11:09 | |
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| oiaohm | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/13/0513208/Microsoft-Buys-Teamprise-Will-Ship-Linux-Tools Another good tool set going into the black hole of MS. | Nov 13 11:12 |
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| fewa | or they will subsist in a radically differn't form under the new, more democratic, empires | Nov 13 11:13 |
| fewa | depends how much their "corporate nationalism" is empregnated | Nov 13 11:13 |
| fewa | the new runners of the corporation will be forced to give up "Delusions of grandeur that prevent honest discussion of problems" | Nov 13 11:14 |
| oiaohm | http://cranberry.com/index.php At long last a storage media that might have some lasting power. | Nov 13 11:15 |
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| fewa | and it will become a new state actor | Nov 13 11:15 |
| fewa | under those that fallow the Microsoft cult | Nov 13 11:15 |
| oiaohm | Most of these produces go this way. fewa MS ships the Linux version for a few years. Then discontues the Linux version due to not making enough proft them product deteriates. | Nov 13 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Main reason for that Linux people believe in bug reporting. | Nov 13 11:17 |
| fewa | of course | Nov 13 11:17 |
| fewa | <oiaohm> Main reason for that Linux people believe in bug reporting. | Nov 13 11:18 |
| fewa | thats wishful thinking | Nov 13 11:18 |
| fewa | Microsoft never meant to make IE for UNIX or Mac after it had gained hegemony | Nov 13 11:18 |
| fewa | as that would only undercut its other hegemony in operating systems | Nov 13 11:18 |
| oiaohm | Not really fewa. | Nov 13 11:18 |
| fewa | oiaohm, is my example wrong? | Nov 13 11:19 |
| oiaohm | The quality of product slips is what I am refering to. | Nov 13 11:19 |
| fewa | or has there been a modicum of change? | Nov 13 11:19 |
| oiaohm | The Windows product. | Nov 13 11:19 |
| fewa | anyways, I am largely disinterested | Nov 13 11:19 |
| fewa | as free software seems obviously the only software that will ever be maintained and evolve | Nov 13 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Linux person finds a bug they report it more often. Windows person finds a bug they make a work around for it and don't report in most cases. | Nov 13 11:20 |
| fewa | oiaohm, http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html | Nov 13 11:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft is Dead .::. Size~: 16.16 KB | Nov 13 11:20 |
| fewa | touches on that a little | Nov 13 11:20 |
| fewa | is a non-starter | Nov 13 11:20 |
| fewa | *it is | Nov 13 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Windows user is so use to not getting responces from commerial companies they don't bother trying. | Nov 13 11:20 |
| fewa | and is a complete miss of the point | Nov 13 11:21 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft you could say is a vampire. | Nov 13 11:23 |
| fewa | that is more like it | Nov 13 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Every time they are running out of blood they buy another company to provide more blood. | Nov 13 11:23 |
| fewa | meh | Nov 13 11:24 |
| fewa | they are much more interested in their core constituency | Nov 13 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Problem is there is only a limited number of companies to drain. | Nov 13 11:24 |
| fewa | than any of the other distraction | Nov 13 11:24 |
| fewa | I feel all that other stuff is largely to provide busywork | Nov 13 11:24 |
| fewa | and to inrease mindshare | Nov 13 11:24 |
| fewa | there is no expectation of extraordinary return | Nov 13 11:24 |
| fewa | or much institutional control | Nov 13 11:25 |
| fewa | besides the core mission | Nov 13 11:25 |
| fewa | it will collapse with time | Nov 13 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Remember Microsoft started off with Basic then vampired QDOS. | Nov 13 11:26 |
| fewa | oiaohm, thats how they reached hegemony | Nov 13 11:26 |
| cubezzz | vampired QDOS? | Nov 13 11:26 |
| fewa | no | Nov 13 11:26 |
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| fewa | they actually did some development to move to 98 | Nov 13 11:27 |
| fewa | their cash cow | Nov 13 11:27 |
| oiaohm | QDOS is the working name of the core source code to MS Dos and ibms form of DOS cubezzz. MS bought it out right from that coder. | Nov 13 11:27 |
| fewa | thats when their business model neccicarly changed, and the managerial problems emerged | Nov 13 11:27 |
| cubezzz | oh you mean 86-DOS | Nov 13 11:28 |
| oiaohm | QDOS= Quick and Dirty Operating System. | Nov 13 11:28 |
| fewa | which BillG is now living out with his love of government-granted hegemony | Nov 13 11:28 |
| oiaohm | No 86-DOS is a later name cubezzz | Nov 13 11:28 |
| fewa | his coaxing of them | Nov 13 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Quick and Dirty Operating system really defineds how dos works. | Nov 13 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Quick no ring or protection systems. Dirty no memory protection systems to clean up. | Nov 13 11:30 |
| cubezzz | sounds like a Microsoft product alright | Nov 13 11:30 |
| cubezzz | in 1980 I don't think there was any PC that could run Unix | Nov 13 11:31 |
| cubezzz | the bad old days :-0 | Nov 13 11:31 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_operating_systems There were a lot more OS's back then cubezzz | Nov 13 11:34 |
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| oiaohm | Some with many years already under there belts. | Nov 13 11:34 |
| *cubezzz looks | Nov 13 11:34 | |
| cubezzz | yeah there was Xenix and Venix | Nov 13 11:35 |
| cubezzz | I think Venix could run on an XT | Nov 13 11:35 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M << Could cubezzz | Nov 13 11:37 |
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| oiaohm | First thing to fall before the blade of dos cubezzz | Nov 13 11:37 |
| cubezzz | well... | Nov 13 11:38 |
| oiaohm | CP/M still had user protection like Unix. | Nov 13 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Enterance of dos is when we step back into a darkage of computer secuirty. | Nov 13 11:39 |
| cubezzz | only a FOSS portable OS can survive | Nov 13 11:39 |
| cubezzz | well there was AmigaDOS which I thought was a big improvement | Nov 13 11:40 |
| cubezzz | CP/M = closed, AmigaDOS = closed, both are dead now | Nov 13 11:40 |
| cubezzz | Linux is active, and the three BSD's are fairly active | Nov 13 11:40 |
| cubezzz | oh and also BeOS is dead | Nov 13 11:41 |
| cubezzz | another dead closed-source OS | Nov 13 11:41 |
| cubezzz | is pretty clear I think what will survive | Nov 13 11:41 |
| oiaohm | CP/M fort on for a far while cubezzz | Nov 13 11:42 |
| oiaohm | CP/M is the predecor to DR Dos cubezzz | Nov 13 11:42 |
| cubezzz | it took Stallman to really break the pattern | Nov 13 11:42 |
| oiaohm | BSD's have been around for a long time. | Nov 13 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Stallman licence changed things. | Nov 13 11:43 |
| cubezzz | BSD was an important step yes | Nov 13 11:43 |
| oiaohm | BSD vs Novell was also a important step. | Nov 13 11:44 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, DR died in 1991 a long time ago | Nov 13 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Proving copyleaf licences were valid. | Nov 13 11:44 |
| oiaohm | So allowing Stallman to expand on that. | Nov 13 11:44 |
| cubezzz | the mistake I made was not getting into Linux earlier | Nov 13 11:45 |
| cubezzz | went to Windows 95 after Commodore died :-/ | Nov 13 11:46 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_operating_systems You can see a lot of closed source still there. | Nov 13 11:47 |
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| cubezzz | some Amiga guys tried to get AmigaDOS on Zaurus | Nov 13 11:47 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: I would say not. I was in Linux early it was not fun. | Nov 13 11:47 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, yeah | Nov 13 11:48 |
| cubezzz | how early though? | Nov 13 11:48 |
| oiaohm | 1994 | Nov 13 11:48 |
| oiaohm | After about 5 years on BSD. | Nov 13 11:48 |
| cubezzz | yeah I tried Darkstar 0.9X back in 1994 | Nov 13 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Yes finding i386 class hardware to run it was hell. | Nov 13 11:49 |
| oiaohm | The bsd. | Nov 13 11:49 |
| cubezzz | well you're going back to 1989, and 386's were very expensive | Nov 13 11:49 |
| cubezzz | Unix System V wasn't bad | Nov 13 11:49 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I think my problem was getting a cdrom to work | Nov 13 11:50 |
| cubezzz | re: Linux | Nov 13 11:50 |
| cubezzz | in 1988 we had SCO Unix V, and before that Xenix | Nov 13 11:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One of my fav vids I'm sure many can relate to: http://tinyurl.com/dfvkyc It would make a great ad for Microsoft IMO #microsoft #windows #xp | Nov 13 11:51 | |
| oiaohm | Yep sound card connected cdroms were fun cubezzz | Nov 13 11:53 |
| cubezzz | I knew Windows was crap in the 80's, my opinion is still the same | Nov 13 11:54 |
| cubezzz | I have to say modern GNU/Linux is the best | Nov 13 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Depends on what you are doing. | Nov 13 11:56 |
| oiaohm | At least Linux appears to be heading in the right direction. | Nov 13 11:56 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I can't think of anything better really | Nov 13 11:57 |
| cubezzz | it's not perfect but... it's the best so far, except for maybe Solaris | Nov 13 11:57 |
| cubezzz | I mean they are running Linux on mainframes, desktops, PDAs | Nov 13 11:58 |
| cubezzz | what else has that versatility? | Nov 13 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Versatily Linux has in spades. | Nov 13 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Next few years feature wise it should close up on everything else. | Nov 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://twitter.com/fgeorges/statuses/5661410723?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PlanetODF+%28Planet+ODF%29 | Nov 13 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | Look, Moe and Curly.... | Nov 13 12:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Vulnerability-in-the-GIMP-image-editing-tool-858629.html | Nov 13 12:09 |
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| cubezzz | http://toastytech.com/guis/guitimeline.html | Nov 13 12:13 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Boas tardes :S | Nov 13 12:16 | |
| oiaohm | X could just about have its own history page. There is no way I can list all of the different appearances of X here so I am just mentioning its creation. The picture is much more recent and not of the original X. << Last page cubezzz | Nov 13 12:16 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 13 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Yep the history of X11 interfaces is too huge to fit. | Nov 13 12:17 |
| cubezzz | New Deal Office 2.5 is new to me | Nov 13 12:17 |
| cubezzz | I remember PC-GEOS though | Nov 13 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Its what most people don't get history of X11 its looked like everything and nothing at the same time. | Nov 13 12:18 |
| cubezzz | KDE 1.0 in 1998 :) | Nov 13 12:18 |
| cubezzz | they fail to mention Solaris | Nov 13 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Solaris would be under X11 cubezzz | Nov 13 12:22 |
| oiaohm | I really need to find a harder game of Reversi I am beating kReversi too simply. | Nov 13 12:25 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq7MqlITUB0 | Nov 13 12:26 | |
| oiaohm | http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/spdy/spdy-whitepaper Google is really going all out. | Nov 13 12:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I need a distraction :S | Nov 13 12:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I miss something... | Nov 13 12:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "u2- live - with or without you" ♫ http://blip.fm/~ga6sg | Nov 13 12:58 | |
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| oiaohm | http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/11/13/0522255/Future-Blu-ray-Movies-To-Come-With-Playable-Game-Demos Now will it only stop at game demos. | Nov 13 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/11/qualcomm-hopes-snapdragon-smartbooks-take-bite-out-of-atom.ars | Nov 13 13:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - "New Divide"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~ga78v | Nov 13 13:13 | |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/amd-bobcat-bulldozer.ars Hmm amd aiming for a 1 watt processor. | Nov 13 13:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Almoço | Nov 13 13:17 | |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/cheap-to-good-home-used-360-pirated-games-slightly-banned.ars Question no one asks what happens if MS bans the wrong people ? | Nov 13 13:19 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz the dictator | Nov 13 13:28 |
| _Hicham_ | morning | Nov 13 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I did ask that re the bans | Nov 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: hey | Nov 13 13:49 |
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| _Hicham_ | trmanco : nice to see u again, been a long time | Nov 13 14:03 |
| trmanco | I'm still not fully back | Nov 13 14:03 |
| _Hicham_ | why ? | Nov 13 14:03 |
| trmanco | terrible things, still cross my mind | Nov 13 14:03 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : terrorist attacks ? | Nov 13 14:04 |
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| trmanco | have you ever been in love? real love? | Nov 13 14:04 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Nov 13 14:05 |
| _Hicham_ | did u have a breakup or what ? | Nov 13 14:05 |
| trmanco | yeah something like that | Nov 13 14:06 |
| trmanco | then I guess you don't know how I feel | Nov 13 14:06 |
| trmanco | but let me give you some advice | Nov 13 14:06 |
| trmanco | how old are you? | Nov 13 14:06 |
| _Hicham_ | what i know is that men are less emotional than women | Nov 13 14:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I little bit more of this pain... and I might start crying again... | Nov 13 14:06 | |
| _Hicham_ | I am 27 | Nov 13 14:06 |
| trmanco | that might be true | Nov 13 14:06 |
| trmanco | but it still hurts | Nov 13 14:07 |
| _Hicham_ | never been hurt by sthg like that | Nov 13 14:07 |
| trmanco | it hurts to see her slip away from me | Nov 13 14:07 |
| _Hicham_ | men work rather by pulses | Nov 13 14:07 |
| _Hicham_ | well, for me, women are all over the world | Nov 13 14:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train Lyrics" ♫ http://blip.fm/~ga95a | Nov 13 14:08 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.7 KB | Nov 13 14:08 |
| trmanco | yeah | Nov 13 14:09 |
| _Hicham_ | maybe u r too romantic | Nov 13 14:09 |
| trmanco | yeah... | Nov 13 14:09 |
| _Hicham_ | u ll plenty of women after | Nov 13 14:09 |
| _Hicham_ | it is that big deal | Nov 13 14:09 |
| _Hicham_ | *it is not | Nov 13 14:10 |
| _Hicham_ | ask schestowitz | Nov 13 14:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz never have been in love | Nov 13 14:10 |
| _Hicham_ | except with SUSE | Nov 13 14:10 |
| _Hicham_ | nonetheless, he broke up with her | Nov 13 14:10 |
| trmanco | lol | Nov 13 14:10 |
| trmanco | he loves kubuntu now | Nov 13 14:10 |
| _Hicham_ | oh, my darling SUSE | Nov 13 14:10 |
| _Hicham_ | I can't leave u, but Miguel is taking u away from me | Nov 13 14:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] hoje vou jogar no euromilhoes... | Nov 13 14:11 | |
| _Hicham_ | Miguel, give me my SUSE back, I love her | Nov 13 14:11 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz was planning to get married with SUSE | Nov 13 14:12 |
| _Hicham_ | now he is mourning her | Nov 13 14:12 |
| _Hicham_ | he is still wearing black | Nov 13 14:12 |
| trmanco | heh | Nov 13 14:13 |
| trmanco | I'll bbl | Nov 13 14:13 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : don't be hard on urself | Nov 13 14:14 |
| schestowitz | [14:11] <_Hicham_> I can't leave u, but Miguel is taking u away from me | Nov 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Nov 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Fell in love with a lizard | Nov 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | "The Gecko who loved me..." | Nov 13 14:17 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why ur mad at Miguel | Nov 13 14:17 |
| _Hicham_ | he took ur much beloved SUSE | Nov 13 14:18 |
| _Hicham_ | SUSE was pretty before Miguel took her | Nov 13 14:18 |
| schestowitz | You need to add sarcasm tags | Nov 13 14:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] haha, ja sei o que devo fazer... | Nov 13 14:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Vou voltar aos tempos de puto de 13 anos | Nov 13 14:19 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u think that Miguel can stand in a pushups contest? | Nov 13 14:24 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : where are u from ? | Nov 13 14:24 |
| trmanco | portugal | Nov 13 14:24 |
| trmanco | for now | Nov 13 14:24 |
| trmanco | I'm gonna move soon | Nov 13 14:24 |
| _Hicham_ | to where ? | Nov 13 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | S/t is wrong with identica? | Nov 13 14:27 |
| _Hicham_ | maybe ddos'ed | Nov 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Nov 13 14:32 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : why not start a ddos against Novell servers ? | Nov 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz | I get signal, but can't have the API work in KDE | Nov 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: why not be stupid? | Nov 13 14:33 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : if u want an easy solution for Novell | Nov 13 14:33 |
| cubezzz | I'd avoid Novell | Nov 13 14:34 |
| _Hicham_ | the best thing would be to write the worm in Mono | Nov 13 14:34 |
| _Hicham_ | do u agree on that ? | Nov 13 14:34 |
| oiaohm | No _Hicham_ | Nov 13 14:36 |
| _Hicham_ | hi oiaohm | Nov 13 14:36 |
| oiaohm | At one point I though anti-virus viruses were a solution to. | Nov 13 14:36 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why Mono is created, to ease the creation of viruses | Nov 13 14:36 |
| oiaohm | A virus even with the best ideas can nuke systems off face of earth. | Nov 13 14:36 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you can't write a worm for a worm | Nov 13 14:36 |
| oiaohm | You can schestowitz | Nov 13 14:37 |
| schestowitz | I'm joking | Nov 13 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Some Linux viruses are impressive. | Nov 13 14:37 |
| _Hicham_ | I will call it with_love_from_schestowitz.exe | Nov 13 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Closed source developers on Linux could learn a thing or two. | Nov 13 14:37 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : what linux viruses ? | Nov 13 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Besides, _Hicham_, that parasite called mono found a new host, iPhone and VS | Nov 13 14:38 |
| oiaohm | They exist but extreamly rare. | Nov 13 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Most use pure syscalls to detect the OS and alter there code correctly. | Nov 13 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Mostly used by data thiefs. | Nov 13 14:38 |
| oiaohm | .Net is a posion to closed source coders. Most have not worked that out yet. | Nov 13 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Have you ever tried decompliers on .net byte code _Hicham_ | Nov 13 14:42 |
| oiaohm | .Net is also a posion to OS's like Linux due to its design not really being compadible. | Nov 13 14:43 |
| cubezzz | I will never use .net | Nov 13 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Name the goals of .net cubezzz. MS did state them a long time ago. | Nov 13 14:46 |
| oiaohm | One was to allow code to be audited. | Nov 13 14:46 |
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| oiaohm | Next was cpu netural. | Nov 13 14:47 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I'm going on instinct mostly | Nov 13 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Both things MS needs to stay live in future. | Nov 13 14:47 |
| oiaohm | It explains why MS is pushing patents. | Nov 13 14:47 |
| cubezzz | I figured it was Microsoft's attempt to replace Java with there own creation | Nov 13 14:47 |
| oiaohm | If nothing is secret any more due to what they had to do with .net | Nov 13 14:47 |
| oiaohm | They need patents. | Nov 13 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly cubezzz | Nov 13 14:48 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, those patents are meaningless outside of the USA | Nov 13 14:48 |
| oiaohm | If they were replacing just java why include pointer support. | Nov 13 14:48 |
| cubezzz | one day Microsoft is going to wake up in a world hostile to it | Nov 13 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Pointer support is required to do drivers. | Nov 13 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically MS is double crossing everyone. | Nov 13 14:49 |
| oiaohm | With .net and most people supporting it are too dumb to know it. | Nov 13 14:49 |
| cubezzz | ATI seems to support it I'm sorry to say | Nov 13 14:49 |
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| oiaohm | ATI is also releasing there specs open source cubezzz | Nov 13 14:50 |
| *hicham_ is now known as _Hicham_ | Nov 13 14:50 | |
| oiaohm | They know its no more secrets. | Nov 13 14:50 |
| _Hicham_ | but their code is crappy, according to airlied | Nov 13 14:50 |
| cubezzz | I believe it | Nov 13 14:50 |
| cubezzz | I'm always doing support on ATI All in wonder boxes | Nov 13 14:51 |
| cubezzz | sometimes it seems to blow it's brains out for no reason | Nov 13 14:51 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : ur working for AMD ? | Nov 13 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly no reason. | Nov 13 14:51 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Nov 13 14:51 |
| cubezzz | my customers have ati all in wonder cards | Nov 13 14:52 |
| _Hicham_ | do u sell computers ? | Nov 13 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Nice one about ATI All in wonder cards is the Opps I am too hot instant off. | Nov 13 14:52 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, yes | Nov 13 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Only one problem. | Nov 13 14:52 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : with Linux preinstalled ? | Nov 13 14:52 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, yes, most of the time :) | Nov 13 14:52 |
| cubezzz | 60/40 | Nov 13 14:53 |
| oiaohm | The temp sencor is also a magnitice field sensor in some models cubezzz | Nov 13 14:53 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : what distro do u suggest for them ? | Nov 13 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Little bit of tin in the right place does wonders cubezzz | Nov 13 14:53 |
| cubezzz | mostly Fedora | Nov 13 14:53 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : and they are happy with it ? | Nov 13 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Is that instant off that you are refering to as blow its brains otu for no reasons cubezzz | Nov 13 14:54 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, yes, those boxes need less maintainance | Nov 13 14:54 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I mean the TV part stops working | Nov 13 14:54 |
| cubezzz | less maintainance = save money | Nov 13 14:54 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: does it come back on after cooling down it still can be the temp sencor. | Nov 13 14:55 |
| oiaohm | GPU core and TV turner have two different sencors. | Nov 13 14:55 |
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| cubezzz | I've never seen a system return to fully working on it's own | Nov 13 14:55 |
| cubezzz | I usually have to uninstall all drivers, then re-install | Nov 13 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Ok the driver cliff diving. | Nov 13 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Can be set off by the card cutting out. | Nov 13 14:56 |
| cubezzz | plus I had some Channel Master boxes die | Nov 13 14:56 |
| cubezzz | very annoying | Nov 13 14:56 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : uninstall all drivers in Linux ? | Nov 13 14:56 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, no, I wasn't asked to get ATI all in wonders working 100% under Linux | Nov 13 14:57 |
| cubezzz | so the drivers were reloaded for XP | Nov 13 14:57 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, I see | Nov 13 14:57 |
| cubezzz | but those machines all dual-boot | Nov 13 14:58 |
| _Hicham_ | is it working in linux by the way? | Nov 13 14:58 |
| cubezzz | we never really tried it | Nov 13 14:58 |
| cubezzz | under Linux I use Hauppage for tv tuner | Nov 13 14:58 |
| cubezzz | or pchdtv | Nov 13 14:58 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : do u have a linux worm ? | Nov 13 14:58 |
| oiaohm | I have collected all different kinds of viruses over the years _Hicham_ | Nov 13 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : do u have the sources ? | Nov 13 14:59 |
| cubezzz | I keep a file on crackers/ bad hackers | Nov 13 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Most Linux viruses are useless in 6 months since the exploit they use is gone. | Nov 13 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | 6 months ? | Nov 13 15:00 |
| _Hicham_ | that is too much | Nov 13 15:00 |
| oiaohm | That is due to people lagging on updates _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:00 |
| _Hicham_ | and how much do the updates take ? | Nov 13 15:00 |
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| oiaohm | compare that to most windows viruses that have a active life of about 3 years its good. | Nov 13 15:00 |
| cubezzz | ha, I've never seen a successful exploit | Nov 13 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Few recently on ssh cubezzz. But that was partly stupidity leaving it exposed to the web. | Nov 13 15:02 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : privilegies escalation is the most dangerous | Nov 13 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Not really _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:02 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : the debian ssl thing ? | Nov 13 15:03 |
| oiaohm | privilegies escalation is useless if you cannot get in the system in the first place. | Nov 13 15:03 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 13 15:03 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : well u can with a buffer overflow, in some ways | Nov 13 15:03 |
| _Hicham_ | like what happens in firefox from time to time | Nov 13 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Most dangerous is if they can get in and see around system and work out way of tricking user if you cannot privilege escalation. | Nov 13 15:04 |
| cubezzz | only thing I worry about is denial of service type attacks | Nov 13 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Firefox is not much of a risk if you have it in a selinux sandbox _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:04 |
| oiaohm | And never had the one kernel value set low. | Nov 13 15:04 |
| PeterKraus | hmm, i am amazed at linux device support... | Nov 13 15:05 |
| PeterKraus | i've recently exchanged my wireless card | Nov 13 15:05 |
| PeterKraus | it literally just works | Nov 13 15:05 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : selinux is paranoiac | Nov 13 15:05 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : i disable it most of the time | Nov 13 15:05 |
| oiaohm | I have selinux running permissive most of the time. | Nov 13 15:05 |
| oiaohm | But I have it wrapped around items that have recorod of bad trouble. | Nov 13 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Like firefox _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Other LSM really don't provide a working sandbox feature yet. | Nov 13 15:06 |
| _Hicham_ | what about tomoyo ? | Nov 13 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Does not have a sandbox feature. | Nov 13 15:07 |
| oiaohm | selinux sandbox reaches all the way up threw X11 _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:07 |
| _Hicham_ | so it is fully usable | Nov 13 15:08 |
| _Hicham_ | *is not | Nov 13 15:08 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : and AppArmor ? | Nov 13 15:08 |
| oiaohm | AppArmor also missing it. | Nov 13 15:08 |
| oiaohm | And only if you are using a recent patch does it even work. | Nov 13 15:08 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : they why Ubuntu ships AppArmor ? | Nov 13 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Don't know. it only got to workable in the last 6 months. | Nov 13 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Before that you could trick it into letting applications go where ever. | Nov 13 15:09 |
| oiaohm | The issue of not using a peer reviewed LSM. | Nov 13 15:09 |
| _Hicham_ | is Novell paying them ? | Nov 13 15:10 |
| oiaohm | I think its like the reason why Ubuntu use pulseaudio. | Nov 13 15:10 |
| oiaohm | If they have users on it developers will have to fix it. | Nov 13 15:10 |
| oiaohm | There is no other logic to what Ubuntu does with some of these down right scary bits of software. | Nov 13 15:11 |
| _Hicham_ | Ubuntu uses pulseaudio because it have been tested by Fedora | Nov 13 15:11 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Nov 13 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Fedora is a development OS. | Nov 13 15:11 |
| oiaohm | And its bugzilla has bug after bug about Pulseaudio. | Nov 13 15:11 |
| _Hicham_ | but for AppArmor, i think that Novell bribes them | Nov 13 15:11 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : I don't have any trouble with pulseaudio | Nov 13 15:12 |
| oiaohm | So if that is the case Ubuntu is incompetent over Pulseaudio | Nov 13 15:12 |
| _Hicham_ | and Fedora have been always stable for me | Nov 13 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Particular applications have trouble with it _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:12 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : give me an example | Nov 13 15:12 |
| _Hicham_ | not an old app | Nov 13 15:12 |
| _Hicham_ | a recent one | Nov 13 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Jack audio. | Nov 13 15:13 |
| schestowitz | PeterKraus: yes, I never had issues. Haven't had for years with hardware. | Nov 13 15:13 |
| PeterKraus | yup | Nov 13 15:13 |
| PeterKraus | i'm thinking about getting a printer now | Nov 13 15:13 |
| PeterKraus | btw, back to E. there's couple of things i didn't like about KDE4, but i'm just too picky | Nov 13 15:14 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_: two sound servers hit. Even worse if you feed jack audio alsa out into pulse. | Nov 13 15:14 |
| PeterKraus | still using dolphin, k3b, qtcurve themes though | Nov 13 15:14 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : is it opensource ? | Nov 13 15:14 |
| oiaohm | jackaudio is opensource _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:14 |
| oiaohm | jackaudio is specialist for music production. | Nov 13 15:14 |
| _Hicham_ | if i understand well it is a sound server too | Nov 13 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Then gstreamer realtime support features don't work under pulse. | Nov 13 15:15 |
| PeterKraus | lol: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzY5Ng | Nov 13 15:15 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of minor damages _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:15 |
| _Hicham_ | they should support pulseaudio | Nov 13 15:16 |
| _Hicham_ | pulseaudio now is used everywhere | Nov 13 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Bad logic. _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:16 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the future of linux sound system | Nov 13 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Gstreamer does to as good as the interfaces pulse provides. | Nov 13 15:16 |
| oiaohm | No the future is pulseaudio and jack merged _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Gstreamer isn't finished yet | Nov 13 15:17 |
| oiaohm | With a completely new interface to deal with. | Nov 13 15:17 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : I use Gstreamer too, never had a problem with sound | Nov 13 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Are you using it for real time audio editing _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:17 |
| oiaohm | This is where house comes down big time _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:17 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : just for listening to music | Nov 13 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Some games running under wine expect that kind of responsiveness as well. | Nov 13 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | I ve used exaile player | Nov 13 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Heck some old games under Linux also expect that kind of responsiveness. | Nov 13 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | old games should be patched to use pulse | Nov 13 15:19 |
| oiaohm | So we should patch again for the next sound server as well _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:19 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : no, I hope that pulseaudio will be the final one | Nov 13 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio is not going to be the last one we know that _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:20 |
| oiaohm | It design does not cover everything the sound server need to do _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:20 |
| _Hicham_ | then let just do with plugins | Nov 13 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Nop core design is wrong _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Plugins cannot cure that. | Nov 13 15:20 |
| _Hicham_ | so Jack have a better design ? | Nov 13 15:21 |
| oiaohm | They should have started with older more mature jackaudio. | Nov 13 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Just jackaudio general user itnerface suxs. | Nov 13 15:21 |
| oiaohm | jackaudio provides you with a full patch table. | Nov 13 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie redirect channal by channel were ever you like. One channel at a time. | Nov 13 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Kinda too messy for the normal desktop user _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:22 |
| oiaohm | But is 100 percent required for high level audio work _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:23 |
| _Hicham_ | then it is bloated for average user | Nov 13 15:23 |
| oiaohm | No _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Its lacking interface for average user. | Nov 13 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Its like saying the Linux kernel is too bloated for the average user _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:24 |
| oiaohm | What happens under pulse audio when user wants to do something advanced. | Nov 13 15:24 |
| _Hicham_ | he doesn't find the interface | Nov 13 15:24 |
| oiaohm | It simply cannot expand that far. | Nov 13 15:24 |
| _Hicham_ | u have to go to alsamixer | Nov 13 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Nov 13 15:25 |
| oiaohm | alsamixer is not a patch table. | Nov 13 15:25 |
| oiaohm | That advanced audio work needs. | Nov 13 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically you should start at the most advanced interface and simplerfy it to user. | Nov 13 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Not what pulseaudio is trying to do. Expand a interface to cope with the advanced users. | Nov 13 15:26 |
| oiaohm | For this reason pulseaudio will have to be replaced at some point. Its structs are just not right. | Nov 13 15:27 |
| oiaohm | If /when pulseaudio and jackaudio merge then we can start talking about final audio server _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:29 |
| _Hicham_ | hopefully | Nov 13 15:29 |
| oiaohm | Kernel is killing off OSS | Nov 13 15:30 |
| _Hicham_ | why ? | Nov 13 15:30 |
| oiaohm | leaving behind userspace emulation of OSS. | Nov 13 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Open Source Sound system has a lot of issues. | Nov 13 15:30 |
| _Hicham_ | it is deprecated, isn't it? | Nov 13 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Deprecated then pushed to userspace. | Nov 13 15:31 |
| _Hicham_ | better | Nov 13 15:31 |
| oiaohm | So that leaves only ALSA framework from kernel. | Nov 13 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Other issue with pulseaudio and jack is user does not have to be running them. | Nov 13 15:32 |
| _Hicham_ | i think that all audio stuff must go into kernel | Nov 13 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Not all. | Nov 13 15:32 |
| oiaohm | But the interfaces need to be kernel. | Nov 13 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Same no matter what. | Nov 13 15:32 |
| _Hicham_ | putting stuff in kernel improves performance, no ? | Nov 13 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Not always. | Nov 13 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Remember context switching from userspace to kernel space is expesnive. _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Some system calls in Linux kernel can redirect back to Like glibc for userspace to to avoid context switching. | Nov 13 15:36 |
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| oiaohm | Classic case is GPU prep work. Its faster in userspace than kernel space _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:38 |
| _Hicham_ | i didn't know that | Nov 13 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Its a simple case of numbers of context switchs. | Nov 13 15:39 |
| oiaohm | If the prep work can make one datablock to send to gpu all the mult calls can be reduced into 1 context switch. | Nov 13 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Now a context switch per call is going to hurt. | Nov 13 15:40 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, evidently | Nov 13 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Same applies to audio effects processing. | Nov 13 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Basically if the hardware cannot do it you are better of in most cases doing it in userspace to produce less number of switches. | Nov 13 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Have a good day _Hicham_ | Nov 13 15:42 |
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| cubezzz | um | Nov 13 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: what was that video? | Nov 13 16:31 |
| cubezzz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiIl123dz50 | Nov 13 16:31 |
| cubezzz | google talk on kernel dev | Nov 13 16:31 |
| cubezzz | quote: "Most TVs from Asia have linux embedded" | Nov 13 16:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC NEWS | Technology | Windows 7 borrowed 'look' of Mac http://tinyurl.com/ybl4qdx | Nov 13 16:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #eWEEK (Ziff-Davis) Sells Out to Promote #Microsoft / #Novell Lies http://ping.fm/7fijp | Nov 13 17:02 | |
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| Ender2070 | Ziff-Davis sold out in 94 | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I know | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | See links | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | It should be exposed for the adverts factory that it is | Nov 13 17:04 |
| Ender2070 | remember hotfiles.com | Nov 13 17:04 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Nov 13 17:04 |
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| krushia | wat | Nov 13 17:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Já fui apostar no euromilhoes e joker | Nov 13 17:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Avril Lavigne - I Miss You/Slipped Away" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gak28 | Nov 13 17:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - Numb - Official Video (HQ)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gakbk | Nov 13 17:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - Numb - Official Video (HQ)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gakvd | Nov 13 17:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM for GNU #Linux Arrives; Has #Microsoft Given up on Sub-notebooks? http://ping.fm/Ii2bm | Nov 13 17:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "u2- live - with or without you" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gall4 | Nov 13 17:56 | |
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| *PeterKraus np: Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth (With Teeth) | Nov 13 17:57 | |
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| schestowitz | I need advice | Nov 13 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Can anyone think of a situation where Microsoft explicitly said it needs evidence of attacks before issuing a patch? | Nov 13 18:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] An Explanation of computer theory for Lawyers http://tr.im/ETM2 | Nov 13 18:08 | |
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| schestowitz | They sometimes say they "Watch the situation" or something along these lines, but it's not blunt enough | Nov 13 18:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Chocolate reduces chocolate manufacturers' stress http://is.gd/4Ung2 | Nov 13 18:12 | |
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| cubezzz | gerbil | Nov 13 18:19 |
| cubezzz | oops :) | Nov 13 18:20 |
| cubezzz | better change that password | Nov 13 18:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] theoretically finished work. sitting here waiting for file to finish processing. zzzzzzz. meeting @thekulway shortly. | Nov 13 18:21 | |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Nov 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Not a good pw | Nov 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Dictionaries would get it at "g" | Nov 13 18:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If #Microsoft Cannot be Sued Over #Liability , Can it be Sued for #Negligence ? http://ping.fm/GTxFo #security | Nov 13 18:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - "New Divide"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~ganov | Nov 13 18:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Avril Lavigne - I Miss You/Slipped Away" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gao76 | Nov 13 18:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Mau caralho... | Nov 13 18:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "u2- live - with or without you" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gaorn | Nov 13 18:47 | |
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| schestowitz | De Icaza is libelling me in Twitter with totally fabricated claims | Nov 13 18:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Está me a dar aquela dor de choro... outra vez... | Nov 13 18:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - Numb - Official Video (HQ)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gap57 | Nov 13 18:53 | |
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| PeterKraus | no | Nov 13 19:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] $sad = true; | Nov 13 19:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell — Like #Corel — Becomes a #Microsoft Vassal, Promotes #XAML-based Desktop http://ping.fm/S4LAm | Nov 13 19:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EDGI Executive from #Microsoft and His Conflicts of Interests http://ping.fm/pwXLB | Nov 13 20:05 | |
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| tessier | Poll on CNN: "Is New York the right place to try alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?" | Nov 13 20:19 |
| tessier | I can see it now... "Potential juror number 1: Does the date September 11th have any meaning to you?" | Nov 13 20:19 |
| tessier | They'll have to try him in the middle of the Amazon. | Nov 13 20:19 |
| tessier | After what happened finding someone unbiased is going to be nearly impossible. | Nov 13 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: but according to Bush, it was some imaginary thing called "Al Qaeda" and maybe Saddam who were behind it | Nov 13 20:30 |
| tessier | Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was part of Al Qaeda is how I understand it. | Nov 13 20:30 |
| tessier | Saddam's involvement is obviously very questionable. | Nov 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | As long as this trial shuts up the lunatics who think the US government masterminded it... | Nov 13 20:30 |
| tessier | Clearly someone was behind it and should be on trial. | Nov 13 20:30 |
| tessier | Indeed. Those people bug me. | Nov 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | tessier: watch the BBC's documentary on what "Al Qaeda" is | Nov 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | It didn't really exist | Nov 13 20:31 |
| tessier | Didn't then or doesn't now? | Nov 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | It was just some name assigned | Nov 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | To make groups of people seem like an organised group in Afghanistan, IIRC | Nov 13 20:31 |
| tessier | If they are a group they are organized. | Nov 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier: watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727# | Nov 13 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's enlightening and very widely-known 3-hour BBC docu | Nov 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, but as I understand it, Osama just gave them funding but they are not part of the Taliban quite | Nov 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz | It's easier to declare war not on the phenomenon or hatred but some geographic target | Nov 13 20:33 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] libva packages for !Debian (under pkgs) for #i386 and #amd64 and supports #nvidia #vdpau, #amd #xvba and #gallium #va http://ur1.ca/fqbc | Nov 13 20:36 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Index of /~gbeauchesne/libva .::. Size~: 4.38 KB | Nov 13 20:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] A contador da electricidade disparou duas vezes :S | Nov 13 20:44 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] @diablod3 This guy also has patches for #mplayer to build with #VAAPI http://ur1.ca/fqbv and to build #gnash with it http://ur1.ca/fqc3 | Nov 13 20:51 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Identica why is there so many spammers in popular groups like !Debian? See @buykamagracheap @erectalis @buysoma @cheapoffice2007 and more | Nov 13 20:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Alguem mais quer partilhar o seu username skype? | Nov 13 21:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Coiso, mordem-me os ... | Nov 13 21:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft , the #EPO , and the European Patent Mafia ( #Sisvel ) Join Hands http://ping.fm/qOhQs #swpat | Nov 13 21:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] What's that you say? Stormy weather on Saturday morning, and I'm flying to Dallas. What could possibly go wrong? #fb | Nov 13 21:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] BTW !bbc http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/ "Stormy weather due Saturdya morning" #fb | Nov 13 21:27 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] @diablod3 #fglrx on !Debian does not include libXvBAW.so in the package, but has been fixed, will come out for 9.10-2 | Nov 13 21:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #OIN Calls for Patent Reform, #Microsoft ’s ‘Sudo’ Revisited http://ping.fm/XEU35 | Nov 13 21:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @ACLU: Urge AG Eric Holder to try all detainees in federal courts. http://ur1.ca/fqhb #gitmo #torture @TheJusticeDept | Nov 13 21:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] OMFG -> http://is.gd/4UuVX | Nov 13 22:00 | |
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| MikeyC | Roy! | Nov 13 22:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] http://is.gd/4UuXY | Nov 13 22:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] http://is.gd/4UuYI | Nov 13 22:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey MikeyC | Nov 13 22:04 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Nov 13 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Did you speak to the bosses? | Nov 13 22:04 |
| MikeyC | About what? | Nov 13 22:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just pulled three _brown_ T-shirts out of the tumble dryer for last minute packing.It must be Ubuntu Developer Summit time! #fb | Nov 13 22:04 | |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: Steve | Nov 13 22:05 |
| MikeyC | Well...errr...basically Ho hit a guy in the face in the office. | Nov 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Tapped him | Nov 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz | He said he had punched him | Nov 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz | He gave false testimony | Nov 13 22:08 |
| MikeyC | I was sat next to the incident, it wasn't a tap. | Nov 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz | But did you defend Steve afterwards? | Nov 13 22:08 |
| MikeyC | I don't defend people that hit other people, weird that isn't it? | Nov 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Didn't he provoke him? | Nov 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: it's not how he usually is, you know it... | Nov 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Was Leigh your mate? | Nov 13 22:12 |
| MikeyC | There's a first time for everything! | Nov 13 22:12 |
| MikeyC | What do you mean Leigh? | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz there are also former M$ people now working for the EU commission ..." http://identi.ca/notice/14588508 | Nov 13 22:13 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @cenourinha: Facebook... you're doing it wrong dude! http://is.gd/4UvpB | Nov 13 22:13 | |
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| schestowitz | MikeyC: still, you ought to defend him. I heard his side of this story | Nov 13 22:14 |
| MikeyC | We need to talk in the gym, this is all recorded, I've lost respect for Steve, he hit my friend. | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | OK | Nov 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Did you hear about the people who do "God's work"? | Nov 13 22:16 |
| MikeyC | Steve? | Nov 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | !google sachs god's work | Nov 13 22:16 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Goldman Sachs' God's Work Comments Are "Truly Unsettling" (GS) | http://www.businessinsider.com/goldmans-gods-work-comments-truly-unsettling-2009-11 | Nov 13 22:16 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Charles Gasparino: Goldman Sachs Doing "God's Work"? | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-gasparino/post_439_b_351116.html | Nov 13 22:16 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Think Progress » Goldman Sachs CEO says he's 'doing God's work ... | http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/09/goldman-reject/ | Nov 13 22:16 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Goldman Sachs CEO Blankfein says firm is doing 'God's work ... | http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/09/goldman-sachs-is-doing-gods-work/ | Nov 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Google buys Gizmo5 < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1562159/google-buys-gizmo5 > | Nov 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: are you in tomorrow? | Nov 13 22:23 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Avril Lavigne - I Miss You/Slipped Away" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gb2q4 | Nov 13 22:27 | |
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| MikeyC | yes i will be | Nov 13 22:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - Given Up [Official Video] [HQ]" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gb2wx | Nov 13 22:29 | |
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| MikeyC | The whole 'provoking' angle that Steve is pursuing as justification for hitting the guy is 'in my opinion' very doubtable. | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I know, but it was mutual | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | And I don't see a reason to make a big deal out of it | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It's not like a brawl on the floor | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I hope the bosses just reprimanded him or something. I consider him a friend. | Nov 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Hey, check out a new release of GNU/Linux... http://www.seoexpertconsultants.com/index.php?linux&release=openSUSE%2011.2 | Nov 13 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Screenshots. | Nov 13 22:33 |
| MikeyC | Would you be happy if i hit you in the face and got off with a 'reprimand' | Nov 13 22:34 |
| MikeyC | Or a relative? | Nov 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Nov 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz | It's Steve, he's harmless | Nov 13 22:34 |
| MikeyC | Of course | Nov 13 22:35 |
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| *MinceR is listening to: Scorpik - Back To The Cocoons | Nov 13 22:36 | |
| MikeyC | He still has his job anyway, for which he should be thankful. | Nov 13 22:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Kelly Clarkson - Already Gone (Bimbo Jones Club Mix) - Kelly-Clarkson.NET" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gb3fx | Nov 13 22:38 | |
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| MikeyC | I used to like Steve a lot, and he also used to be good friends with Lee, which is why this is all quite sad. I'm not sure what Steve was trying to prove. | Nov 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: good to hear! | Nov 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Steve can still be a friend, he's just filled with jealousy | Nov 13 22:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Remember all the things we wanted Now all our memories, they're haunted" | Nov 13 22:40 | |
| schestowitz | Better befriend him than have someone badmouth you | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Oh, this again... http://www.tech-no-media.com/2009/11/is-ubuntu-broken.html | Nov 13 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Rant mode... | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: you should dual-boot with GNU/Linux... | Nov 13 22:41 |
| MikeyC | You're right, steve went through a phase of slandering me on the web | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll show you a video... | Nov 13 22:41 |
| MikeyC | but i let it go | Nov 13 22:42 |
| MikeyC | at the time i felt like teaching him a lesson | Nov 13 22:42 |
| MikeyC | but like you say he looks too harmless | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Ignore that.. | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | He is | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't just look | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I speak to him for hours some times, personal life... early life... | Nov 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMErNsEoZw | Nov 13 22:43 |
| MikeyC | he does cultivate hatred | Nov 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I have just 2, this dude has 6 | Nov 13 22:43 |
| Aondo | what's your general impression by the whole wave thing? :D if you have been testing it atleast. | Nov 13 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin tries finding someone who uses it or has invites | Nov 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I never used it, I don't want to depend on Google either | Nov 13 22:44 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Nov 13 22:44 |
| Aondo | that part shouldnt be a problem, since from what i understand you should be able to set up your own wave server, just like a mail server | Nov 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Google I envisioned as a beautiful Marissa with some greasy engineers in the server room behind the curtain | Nov 13 22:44 |
| Aondo | that's the part i like the most with it i think | Nov 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: same with Laconica | Nov 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz | But you don't develop/hack on the sw much | Nov 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Also, few people deviate in this way | Nov 13 22:45 |
| Aondo | need to look that up | Nov 13 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | How much can one participate in coding Wave? | Nov 13 22:46 |
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| Aondo | yea good point, that part i dont like | Nov 13 22:46 |
| Aondo | the closed beta stuff | Nov 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | If I were to hack on it for myself, will they accept my patches and pick them upstream | Nov 13 22:46 |
| Aondo | anything closed with it.. i guess it is to have an advantage | Nov 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Or will the hacks go boom every time there's a new version? | Nov 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | WordPress had similar issues | Nov 13 22:46 |
| Aondo | new version of the protocol you mean? | Nov 13 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Kitty wrote some good plugin, spaminator, and her plugin broke when they released a new version. She was pissed off, never to be seen again | Nov 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: artificial scarcity | Nov 13 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | I was in a closed beta of WordPress.com | Nov 13 22:47 |
| Aondo | ok | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | I.e. one of the first 20 accounts or so | Nov 13 22:48 |
| MinceR | google's previous software offerings don't exactly engender trust in me | Nov 13 22:48 |
| MinceR | most of them were dismal failures | Nov 13 22:48 |
| Aondo | any beta is bound to change, so if it brakes something it can be both bad and good i guess | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | !google Android hitler | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Intriguing, but no cigar. (“Hitler” app for Android.) | Robert N ... | http://bennylava.robertnlee.com/intriguing-but-no-cigar-hitler-app-for-android | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Even Hitler is mad at Google for C&D order on Cyanogen Android - OS | http://maximumitblips.dailyradar.com/story/even-hitler-is-mad-at-google-for-c-d-order-on-cyanogen/ | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Even Hitler is mad at Google for C&D order on Cyanogen Android ... | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D34002%26goto%3Dnewpost | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Hitler not happy with Google's Cease and Desist order on Cyanogen ... | http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D240x1705 | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | !google Android not open | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - "Android is not open. It's a marketing label" - Networks ... | http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,39398332,00.htm | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Google's Android platform: not so open after all - Ars Technica | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/07/googles-android-platform-not-so-open-after-all.ars | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Google to Android Developers — It's Not All Open Source | http://jkontherun.com/2009/09/29/google-to-android-developers-its-not-all-open-source/ | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Android Not Open: No XMPP, No Source, No SDK For Some | http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/07/18/google-remove-xmpp-support-in-android/ | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | !google chrome os secrecy | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Chrome OS posts - The Open Road - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/openroad/%3Fkeyword%3DChrome%2BOS | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Chrome OS raises ire of antitrust, free software advocates - Techworld | http://www.techworld.com.au/node/310844 | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - WINAMP.COM | Forums - Google Chrome OS | http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php%3Fpostid%3D2560214 | Nov 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - In The Pre-Chrome OS World, Google Optimizes Gmail For Netbooks | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/05/in-the-pre-chrome-os-world-google-optimizes-gmail-for-netbooks/ | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | "The Open Road" = Applisation of OSS | Nov 13 22:49 |
| Aondo | but with all those you are pretty much dependent on google, either by some cloud function.. or something else.. but i hope atleast, that the wave stuff will be more open for everyone to make clients/servers for | Nov 13 22:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "u2- live - with or without you" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gb44x | Nov 13 22:49 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.7 KB | Nov 13 22:49 |
| MinceR | applisation? | Nov 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Apple-isation | Nov 13 22:50 |
| MinceR | oh. | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | You know, 'stealing code' and putting fruity pretty shiny on it | Nov 13 22:50 |
| MinceR | and removing functionality | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Cause Apple users are assumed to be cavemen | Nov 13 22:51 |
| MinceR | and giving it a new name so it looks like you invented it | Nov 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Safari | Nov 13 22:51 |
| MinceR | (WebKit, anybody?) | Nov 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | It figures | Nov 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Caveman see zebra... click one button | Nov 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | It sort of bothers me that when a browser like Chrome uses Webkit they mention APple and never KDE | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | It's quite an abomination | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Like, "oh! Nice Apple give OSS to other browsers" | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Reality: | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | 1) it's forced to | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | 2) it's a PR thing | Nov 13 22:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Madoff's former computer programmers arrested over $65bn fraud | Business | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/yh9w8er | Nov 13 22:52 | |
| schestowitz | 3) it hardly did much. KHTML made the foundatuons | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: they'll still go after poor McKinnon | Nov 13 22:53 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Nov 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Gotta kill dem "hackerz" | Nov 13 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: your duty is needed | Nov 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/11/arabic-speakers-needed-in-austin.html | Nov 13 22:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blog of helios: Arabic Speakers Needed in Austin .::. Size~: 108.61 KB | Nov 13 22:54 |
| Aondo | schestowitz thanks for butting a name to what i've been saying to my friends for long :D didnt really know there were a name like Artificial scarcity with it :D | Nov 13 22:54 |
| ThistleWeb | a few MPs are trying to help him, though maybe to get votes | Nov 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll fly you to Texas, home of King Bush | Nov 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: yes, the subscriber-only/invite-only thing | Nov 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | VIP, feeling of privilege | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | "I'd never join a club that would allow a person like me to become a member." - Woody Allen | Nov 13 22:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train Lyrics" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gb4h3 | Nov 13 22:55 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.7 KB | Nov 13 22:55 |
| Aondo | hehe | Nov 13 22:55 |
| Aondo | i guess he has to create his own club then | Nov 13 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Banksters give a bad name to programmers now... | Nov 13 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : GNOME is fully localized in Arabic | Nov 13 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | I would just give a computer with an Arabic Spin, like Sabily (Ubuntu) or Ojuba (Fedora) | Nov 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | helios does KDe and I think it has Arabic also | Nov 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | What does Ubuntu ME do other than language? | Nov 13 22:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Ozzy Osbourne's "Crazy Train" -- Meets Chris Masters (Masterpiece) http://bit.ly/vZ1ya | Nov 13 22:58 | |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know about KDE | Nov 13 22:59 |
| _Hicham_ | the two arabic spins that i know are gnome based | Nov 13 22:59 |
| _Hicham_ | well, Sabily ( former Ubuntu Muslim Edition ) does provide some additional software | Nov 13 22:59 |
| _Hicham_ | apart from the themes | Nov 13 22:59 |
| _Hicham_ | Ojuba (Fedora based) provides a control center with other software | Nov 13 22:59 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz OS is fully localized in all languages on earth, and it mixes all Desktop Environments | Nov 13 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz OS is Mono based | Nov 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's a SUSE spin, so..... | Nov 13 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is main namespace for all API | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | It's called Saucy Linux | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Package ma manager is Yeast | Nov 13 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | so if u want to have BN RSS, all u have to do is import schestowitz.BN.retriveRSS(bool* do_u_like_novell) | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | do_u_like_novell? | Nov 13 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, based on the user preferences, he will have different RSSes | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/corel_buyout_improves/ | Nov 13 23:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Corel receives bigger buyout offer • The Register .::. Size~: 26.02 KB | Nov 13 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | du u use corel software ? | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Yum..... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/ventblockers/ | Nov 13 23:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dirty, dirty PCs: The X-rated picture guide • The Register .::. Size~: 26.36 KB | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: nope | Nov 13 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : only gimp and inkscape ? | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/michael_jackson_robot_twin/ | Nov 13 23:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Michael Jackson planned 'robot duplicate' of himself • The Register .::. Size~: 27.22 KB | Nov 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz | We should make _Hichambot_ | Nov 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Runs on petrol | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Lot of it | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: never inkscape | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Another small shops dies as oligarchs consolidate. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/morgan_memories/ | Nov 13 23:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Morgan Computers: Your memories • Channel Register .::. Size~: 21.92 KB | Nov 13 23:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @lessig: Fox-puppet \faux ˈpʌpɪt\ n 1 an angry complaining soul misinformed by sensationalist press 2 sellers of a preconcieved narritive | Nov 13 23:12 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/13/google-chrome-os-may-be-here-very-soon | Nov 13 23:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Chrome OS May Be Here Very Soon | WebProNews .::. Size~: 35.83 KB | Nov 13 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u think of this OS ? | Nov 13 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz doesn't care anymore about the people in his channel | Nov 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | WHy not? | Nov 13 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | You gave me two minutes to respond. | Nov 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGA9ZUEa3ZY | Nov 13 23:23 |
| _Hicham_ | sadly my mobile broadband connection is too slow tonight | Nov 13 23:24 |
| _Hicham_ | the only thing i can do is use irc | Nov 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Switzerland takes Google to court < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8358908.stm > | Nov 13 23:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 80.3 KB | Nov 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* "turnaround... | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/11/latest_seattle_tech_layoffs_come_despite_signs_of_turnaround.html?ana=from_rss | Nov 13 23:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ongoing Seattle tech job cuts come despite signs of turnaround .::. Size~: 55.58 KB | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft-sponsored site is delusional | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's profits sink like a rock and they speak about "turnaround" to make optimism | Nov 13 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows Genuine Advantage | Nov 13 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | we must implement that in Linux too | Nov 13 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | Schestowitz Genuine Advantage : take advantage of being a genuine BN user | Nov 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Go Susan! http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/mandriva-linux-2010-perhaps-the-best-linux-release-all-year/ | Nov 13 23:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mandriva Linux 2010 Perhaps The Best Linux Release All Year .::. Size~: 78.35 KB | Nov 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: that exists | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | !google Linux Genuine Advantage | Nov 13 23:32 |
| MinceR | well, m$ genuinely takes advantage of windows users | Nov 13 23:32 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Linux Genuine Advantage™ | http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/ | Nov 13 23:32 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - FAQ - Linux Genuine Advantage™ | http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/faq/ | Nov 13 23:32 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - p2pnet news » Blog Archive » Meet Linux Genuine Advantage | http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13153 | Nov 13 23:32 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Linux Genuine Advantage Crack (download torrent) - TPB | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3610011/Linux_Genuine_Advantage_Crack | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they have marketing depts for these lies | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | "Elevate America..." | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | EDGI = "unlimited potential" | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | There should be laws against abuse of language | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | But these are not good examples | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Green carbon......... | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I like this post: http://www.chicagocarless.com/2009/11/12/control-issues-why-apple-doesnt-want-you-to-use-linux/ | Nov 13 23:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Im Not a Mac #4Control Issues: Why Apple Doesnt Want You to Use Linux .::. Size~: 117.27 KB | Nov 13 23:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @RobinGrantham: "I'll put you in the hospital, old man." "Well, I've got Medicare, so go ahead and take your best shot."~ClintEastwood | Nov 13 23:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/12/mpaa-shuts-down-enti.html | Nov 13 23:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MPAA shuts down entire town's muni WiFi over a single download - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 158.21 KB | Nov 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1785266/new_linuxbased_pcs_encourage_seniors_to_learn_the_internet/ | Nov 13 23:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Linux-Based PCs Encourage Seniors To Learn The Internet - Technology News - redOrbit .::. Size~: 30.55 KB | Nov 13 23:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "No fishing in this area..." [image] http://ping.fm/BxrGK | Nov 13 23:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Chove cmo raio aqui :S | Nov 13 23:42 | |
| *jono has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Nov 13 23:44 | |
| *schestowitz wonders where Omar has gone | Nov 13 23:45 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Omar went to Palestine to fight the Invaders | Nov 13 23:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean the americans? | Nov 13 23:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoh | Nov 13 23:56 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : where r u from ? | Nov 13 23:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | america. | Nov 13 23:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | now excuse me, I need to go invade palestine | Nov 13 23:58 |
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