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| _goblin | right Im back | Nov 16 00:06 |
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| _goblin | been waving......still love that google app! | Nov 16 00:06 |
| _goblin | protocol or whatever else you want to call it... | Nov 16 00:06 |
| Riceeey | it is fun, in fact you were waving at me ;) | Nov 16 00:09 |
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| _goblin | :) | Nov 16 00:10 |
| _goblin | Nice to meet you BTW... | Nov 16 00:10 |
| Riceeey | you too :) | Nov 16 00:11 |
| _goblin | hope you will check out the Boycott Site.....its what introduced me to a whole new world..... | Nov 16 00:11 |
| _goblin | very enlightening..... | Nov 16 00:11 |
| Riceeey | it looks intersting - when i'm not so tired perhaps! | Nov 16 00:11 |
| Riceeey | it's been a long day | Nov 16 00:11 |
| _goblin | the site belongs to Roy Schestowitz..... | Nov 16 00:11 |
| Riceeey | wrestling with my dads knackered xp installs | Nov 16 00:12 |
| _goblin | and its been a long day for me too! | Nov 16 00:12 |
| _goblin | I noticed a typo on your site.... | Nov 16 00:12 |
| _goblin | Ive put it in the wave... | Nov 16 00:12 |
| Riceeey | back toy work tomorrow for a rest! | Nov 16 00:12 |
| Riceeey | kewl | Nov 16 00:12 |
| _goblin | Im off tomorrow!!!!! | Nov 16 00:12 |
| Riceeey | hehe | Nov 16 00:13 |
| _goblin | think I will watch Dr Who again.... | Nov 16 00:13 |
| _goblin | you from the UK? | Nov 16 00:13 |
| Riceeey | yeah there is a typo on the speccy page, i'll fix that in a bit | Nov 16 00:13 |
| Riceeey | yes, UK missed Dr Who though was driving home from Hull | Nov 16 00:13 |
| _goblin | ah...I wont spoil it....very good episode... | Nov 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:52] <_Hicham_> schestowitz is silent | Nov 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | I was doing links | Nov 16 00:14 |
| Riceeey | i'll catch it on the iplayer, eith get_iplayer it or on the ps3 | Nov 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: if I don't reply, it's not because I ignore, trust me | Nov 16 00:14 |
| _goblin | Hi Roy.... | Nov 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Riceeey | Nov 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Azalyn. Nice to meet you. | Nov 16 00:15 |
| Azalyn | hey | Nov 16 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I've just posted this one, _Hicham_ http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/15/crunchpad-coming/ That's why it took me a while to return to IRC | Nov 16 00:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Links 15/11/2009: CrunchPad Coming, Negroponte Speaks About OLPC | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 141.67 KB | Nov 16 00:16 |
| Riceeey | right fellas, off to bed, enjoy your day off Goblin, i'll be back - i join freenode quite often enyway so i'll pop in | Nov 16 00:16 |
| Riceeey | cheers | Nov 16 00:16 |
| _goblin | take care | Nov 16 00:16 |
| _goblin | see you on the wave (or here!) | Nov 16 00:17 |
| _goblin | great site btw | Nov 16 00:17 |
| *schestowitz envious of that "Wave thang!" | Nov 16 00:17 | |
| schestowitz | So, _goblin, did you install wave? [bait] | Nov 16 00:17 |
| schestowitz | And where can I download it too? :-) | Nov 16 00:17 |
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| _goblin | lol... | Nov 16 00:19 |
| _goblin | you can have an invite if you want one! | Nov 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | So where is the executable/s? | Nov 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | [bait] | Nov 16 00:20 |
| _goblin | you nearly got me....:) | Nov 16 00:20 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | I won't even ask about source code :-) | Nov 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Cause I know Google keeps it to itself now | Nov 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Let's examine: | Nov 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | * Proprietary -- check | Nov 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | * Invite-only (limitation) -- check | Nov 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | * Remote control -- check | Nov 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | I think I'll pass for now :-) :-) | Nov 16 00:21 |
| _goblin | * Trendy? -- Check? | Nov 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Sky diving is also trendy | Nov 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | But it's better with a parachute | Nov 16 00:22 |
| _goblin | and preferably whilst not using Googles wave... | Nov 16 00:22 |
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| _goblin | Having said all that, it doesn't (IMO) impede any progress in the FOSS world by its existance........a little like COD 2..... | Nov 16 00:23 |
| _goblin | *existence... | Nov 16 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Google has this thing about Brakes | Nov 16 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I haven't heard about it for a long time, though | Nov 16 00:24 |
| _goblin | For me Wave is a bit of a novelty....Im one the of l337 participating few...????!!!! I haven't the time to keep up with all these social networking tools..... | Nov 16 00:28 |
| _goblin | IRC will always remain.... | Nov 16 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Freenode is upgrading | Nov 16 00:29 |
| schestowitz | They test a new sort of branch of something | Nov 16 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I learned about it in Linux Outlaws - popey has the details | Nov 16 00:29 |
| _goblin | I saw that too....haven't got around to looking into it.... | Nov 16 00:31 |
| *schestowitz makes Yorkshire Gold tea in time for twits | Nov 16 00:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Smart Man Chooses to Bank with #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/3rEgde | Nov 16 00:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wayland Display Server for #Linux Examined http://bit.ly/1e7GUh | Nov 16 00:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco Uses #GNU #Linux Server to Challenges Titans http://ur1.ca/fuil | Nov 16 00:58 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Cisco Software Takes On Microsoft, IBM - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 31.67 KB | Nov 16 00:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Top #Game Comes to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/1kanKr | Nov 16 00:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] A New Game Comes To Linux And It's Not A FPS .::. Size~: 16.3 KB | Nov 16 00:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Concept for Software Management in #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/4l5brH | Nov 16 01:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So many things in my computing world to keep track of....twitter, blog, wave, irc, ng's.... | Nov 16 01:02 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: info overload? | Nov 16 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Dan Gilmore had a good essay recently about slowing down news | Nov 16 01:02 |
| _goblin | yep.... | Nov 16 01:04 |
| _goblin | good timing roy.... | Nov 16 01:04 |
| _goblin | I was just telling the wife how many things I was trying to keep track of... | Nov 16 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Take it easy | Nov 16 01:06 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | There's no race :-) | Nov 16 01:06 |
| _goblin | to be fair its a good way to unwind from work.... | Nov 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Chasing information can become an obsession to the mind | Nov 16 01:06 |
| _goblin | I find it very relaxing.... | Nov 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | But there's infinity of it | Nov 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Information is free | Nov 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Unlike consumerism | Nov 16 01:06 |
| _goblin | Im spending some time going through the Wave dev manuals... | Nov 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Some people pursue knowledge | Nov 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Other go shopping to substitute that gratification | Nov 16 01:07 |
| _goblin | still havent spent all my amazon vouchers yet | Nov 16 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Where from? | Nov 16 01:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #CompizFusion in #Gentoo and #Puppy #Linux http://bit.ly/4crTss | Nov 16 01:09 | |
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| _goblin | a birthday present... | Nov 16 01:09 |
| _goblin | parents couldn't decide what to get me so I receive a couple of hundred in vouchers. | Nov 16 01:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Talks Brewing About #RedHat Enterprise #Linux 6 http://bit.ly/4njpRl | Nov 16 01:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva One 2010 Receives Another Great Review http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/11/mandriva/ | Nov 16 01:12 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Distro Review: Mandriva One 2010 | Adventures In Open Source .::. Size~: 62.9 KB | Nov 16 01:12 |
| schestowitz | why not just give cash? :-) | Nov 16 01:12 |
| schestowitz | I joke... | Nov 16 01:12 |
| schestowitz | But there's this joke about cash as gift... | Nov 16 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Nothing material to associate with the giver | Nov 16 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Like, giving your wife a cheque for xmas and get one from her for the same amount :-) | Nov 16 01:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 #KarmicKoala is "Better Than Ever" http://bit.ly/14R2nG | Nov 16 01:14 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Lets Enjoy Power of Linux: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala better than ever .::. Size~: 75.16 KB | Nov 16 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I have lots of posts to do tomorrow. | Nov 16 01:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Mint Helena Almost Here http://bit.ly/3oDU8e | Nov 16 01:18 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: gifting is a profitable custom for commerce | Nov 16 01:18 |
| schestowitz | The idea that if you can't make people feel like they miss some item in their life, you lead them to buying stuff for others or receiving some | Nov 16 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Xmas is a great example. Spendings orgy with a lot of imagery to encourage the ritual :-) | Nov 16 01:19 |
| ender2070_ | my birthday is on tuesday | Nov 16 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Any plans? | Nov 16 01:21 |
| ender2070_ | not really | Nov 16 01:21 |
| schestowitz | But it's the same location of Earth as when you existed the womb | Nov 16 01:21 |
| schestowitz | You need to urge friends and family to do the right thing and pay the Man | Nov 16 01:21 |
| ender2070_ | I left the womb on the other side of my country | Nov 16 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Ah. | Nov 16 01:22 |
| schestowitz | So maybe another date | Nov 16 01:22 |
| schestowitz | What sign are you? :-p | Nov 16 01:22 |
| ender2070_ | scorpio | Nov 16 01:22 |
| schestowitz | You should consult an astrologist immediately | Nov 16 01:22 |
| _goblin | I think I'll give this a look....I know an XP user on Twitter that doesn't want to leave XP.... http://www.linux-xp.com/desktop/ | Nov 16 01:22 |
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| ender2070_ | best gift i've been given so far is a fedora release :) | Nov 16 01:23 |
| ender2070_ | well on tuesday | Nov 16 01:23 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft talking point now is, "you have no options" | Nov 16 01:23 |
| _goblin | I want a FSF membership for xmas.... | Nov 16 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "You cannot escape" | Nov 16 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Vista -- like Vista -- will take over the world | Nov 16 01:23 |
| ender2070_ | consult an astrologist ? | Nov 16 01:24 |
| schestowitz | And the Lunix thing is all command line and stuff | Nov 16 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, buy services | Nov 16 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Keep the money circulating :-) | Nov 16 01:24 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Nov 16 01:24 |
| ender2070_ | everything is ok though | Nov 16 01:24 |
| schestowitz | It has tax applied to transactions | Nov 16 01:24 |
| schestowitz | So someone above you get a cut on each passage | Nov 16 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | *gets | Nov 16 01:25 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: only gnutees may apply | Nov 16 01:25 |
| ender2070_ | _goblin - you need to go back to work and make yourself more productive for the economy | Nov 16 01:25 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Facial hair gets you a discount | Nov 16 01:26 |
| schestowitz | That Fedora thing is killing the economy | Nov 16 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Think about all the out of work "advertisers advertisers advertisers" | Nov 16 01:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Its been a while...Ive returned to Slay Radio! Excellent! Forgot how good it was! http://www.slayradio.org #slayradio #amiga #chip | Nov 16 01:27 | |
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| schestowitz | No empty VIsta 7 boxes for the garbage men to pick and relocate | Nov 16 01:27 |
| _goblin | ender2070: Go back to work? Ive just done a 57 hour week! | Nov 16 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Think about the poor people at Microsoft | Nov 16 01:27 |
| schestowitz | And those diligent kids in China | Nov 16 01:28 |
| schestowitz | What would they do without that 20 cents/15-hour working day | Nov 16 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Creating packaging material for Vista 7... | Nov 16 01:28 |
| _goblin | Im after a linux.com email! | Nov 16 01:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: does that not violate working standards? | Nov 16 01:28 |
| _goblin | no...not for me. | Nov 16 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Or was it voluntary? | Nov 16 01:29 |
| _goblin | and it was not voluntary.... | Nov 16 01:29 |
| schestowitz | That's good | Nov 16 01:29 |
| schestowitz | They keep you busy | Nov 16 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Less time to "Expose FUD" in OpenBytes | Nov 16 01:29 |
| _goblin | oh I expose a different sort of FUD at work... | Nov 16 01:30 |
| _goblin | its all the same. | Nov 16 01:30 |
| schestowitz | You're a good citizens when you labour 60 hours/week /sarcasm | Nov 16 01:30 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: :-) | Nov 16 01:30 |
| _goblin | we'll have to have a chat sometime Roy..... | Nov 16 01:30 |
| _goblin | I mean real chat....not text.... | Nov 16 01:31 |
| ender2070_ | _goblin - haven't seen "everything is ok" ? | Nov 16 01:31 |
| _goblin | ? | Nov 16 01:31 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yep | Nov 16 01:31 |
| schestowitz | But I no longer go down south | Nov 16 01:31 |
| schestowitz | No reason to. | Nov 16 01:31 |
| _goblin | shame.... | Nov 16 01:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Embedded Market Goes with #Linux http://ur1.ca/fuke http://ur1.ca/fukf | Nov 16 01:32 | |
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| _goblin | no probs staying here....the wifes a great cook and we've a large house... | Nov 16 01:32 |
| schestowitz | That's kind of you, thanks. | Nov 16 01:32 |
| schestowitz | The Mono Camp is angry today | Nov 16 01:33 |
| ender2070_ | how so? | Nov 16 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Trolls gotten active | Nov 16 01:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Reaches Decent Numbers with #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/fukk http://ur1.ca/fukl | Nov 16 01:35 | |
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| schestowitz | Those who accuse freedom activists or being FOSS enemies | Nov 16 01:35 |
| schestowitz | The whole "We should be more like Microsoft" crowd | Nov 16 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Some go by the "Apple" label | Nov 16 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Either marketing-wise (we should bribe analysts), organisation-wise (let's follow shareholders), or in the technical sense (let's choose everything Microsoft.. .NET, XAML, VS...) | Nov 16 01:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CrunchPad #GNU #Linux #Tablet Arriving Soon http://ur1.ca/fukq | Nov 16 01:38 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: CrunchPad tablet is alive, well, and under $400 (with sponsorship) .::. Size~: 26.52 KB | Nov 16 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Heh. I've almost misspelled openbsd as OpenBS | Nov 16 01:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FreeNAS Picks ZFS, OpenBSD Goes "Live" http://ur1.ca/fuks #bsd http://ur1.ca/fuku | Nov 16 01:39 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FreeNAS 0.7 adds ZFS support - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.31 KB | Nov 16 01:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: LiveUSB OpenBSD project at sourceforge .::. Size~: 21.24 KB | Nov 16 01:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL a Real Threat to Microsoft's with 46% Market Share in Emerging Markets http://ur1.ca/fukw | Nov 16 01:42 | |
| _goblin | the only enemies of FOSS IMO are those who "pro-actively engage in actions which undermine the ethos of FOSS with the intent of distorting, confusing, stiffling or supressing FOSS" - anything else is merely opinion...Openbytes Act 2009 Sec(1).......not bad for a few seconds work...just returned from a quick news fix and had a moment of clarity.... | Nov 16 01:43 |
| ender2070_ | who was trolling | Nov 16 01:45 |
| _goblin | trolling? where? | Nov 16 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Trolling is not the right term | Nov 16 01:45 |
| ender2070_ | [20:28] <schestowitz> The Mono Camp is angry today | Nov 16 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Just choose those whom you trust carefully | Nov 16 01:46 |
| _goblin | sage advice. | Nov 16 01:46 |
| schestowitz | In India, for example, cronies for the British were used to keep their fellow citizens under foreign control | Nov 16 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Likewise, here we have people from companies that want leverage | Nov 16 01:46 |
| schestowitz | And people who resist this control of GNU/FS are barriers to them | Nov 16 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Thus, they try to blow the barriers up, though it's usually clear why... that is, what interests they have | Nov 16 01:47 |
| schestowitz | People like RMS are a big nuisance to IBM, Novell, Intel....... They'll just try to poison more people (sometimes the naive) against folks like RMS, without it seeming too apparent, which leads to 'blowback' | Nov 16 01:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Thunderbird 3 in (P)review, #Firefox 3.6 Got Faster http://ur1.ca/ful5 http://ur1.ca/ful7 | Nov 16 01:50 | |
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| Azalyn | I think companies like IBM are useful. | Nov 16 01:50 |
| Azalyn | Their objectives in backing opensource have nothing whatsoever to do with freedom, but regardless, I'd like to think our relationship with them as a "temporary alliance" against a common more dangerous foe. | Nov 16 01:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness Grows in #Norway and #German Authorities http://ur1.ca/fula http://ur1.ca/fqlp | Nov 16 01:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apache 's Ethos and How Trolls Are Kept Out http://bit.ly/4maD3w | Nov 16 01:53 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apache: 'No jerks allowed' | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 84.75 KB | Nov 16 01:53 |
| Azalyn | Microsoft is really the only real enemy, all the others are small fries, because all the others just want to monopolize services or hardware, which is easier to deal with than the Microsoft situation. | Nov 16 01:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hope Reborn for Monopoly-Free Media Standards http://ur1.ca/fulf | Nov 16 01:53 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IETF working towards royalty-free audio codec - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.18 KB | Nov 16 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: yes, sometimes they step on the line though | Nov 16 01:55 |
| schestowitz | See Bilski for example. They defend software patents. | Nov 16 01:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Software #Skype Thrown Out for Being "Garbage" http://bit.ly/4Y2mq | Nov 16 01:56 | |
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| Azalyn | yeah, that is true. but they will never dare use their own patents against us. | Nov 16 01:56 |
| Azalyn | they would not be able to deal with the backlash from such a thing. | Nov 16 01:56 |
| Azalyn | not to mention that i think they have a "do not sue" pact with the community. | Nov 16 01:56 |
| schestowitz | [01:56] <Azalyn> yeah, that is true. but they will never dare use their own patents against us. | Nov 16 01:57 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter as much | Nov 16 01:57 |
| schestowitz | If they are exposed for encouraging patents, then they'll step back for PR | Nov 16 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Blind trust in them would give them freedom to monopolise, e.g. mainframes | Nov 16 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Apple is not the one passing funds to SCO | Nov 16 01:58 |
| schestowitz | It could, but it doesn't | Nov 16 01:58 |
| Azalyn | I don't think anyone really trusts them. | Nov 16 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: that pact is not a legal contract | Nov 16 01:59 |
| Azalyn | But right now though, I am not worried by IBM. | Nov 16 01:59 |
| Azalyn | I am worried about Microsoft | Nov 16 01:59 |
| Azalyn | and Apple | Nov 16 01:59 |
| Azalyn | Microsoft because they have managed to create a situation where people don't even know what software *is*, they view a computer like any other appliance, and just like your ordinary consumer doesn't contemplate an engine swap for a car, they do not even fathom that it's *possible* to have something other than windows on their computers. | Nov 16 02:00 |
| Azalyn | And Apple, because they have this rabid fanbase of zealots that follow them despite the fact that they are no less malicious than Microsoft. | Nov 16 02:00 |
| Azalyn | Back when Real tried to interoperate with the iPod to give people an alternative to itunes or whatever, the apple zombies rose up and attacked real, for trying to give them more options. | Nov 16 02:01 |
| Azalyn | Where as with IBM, I don't see anything they could do that would be dangerous to us. | Nov 16 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Microsoft makes people think of it as "PC" | Nov 16 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Where it can only run one thing, against "Apple" | Nov 16 02:05 |
| schestowitz | IBM still feels like a government agency | Nov 16 02:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out Marty's site! http://bit.ly/UAFyD Great stuff! | Nov 16 02:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Exposed, Now Under Attack by Politicians http://ur1.ca/fumc http://ur1.ca/fumd | Nov 16 02:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Still Struggles to Resurrect Orphaned Works http://ur1.ca/fumg http://ur1.ca/fumh | Nov 16 02:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attacks on Legal Sharing Harms Artists http://ur1.ca/fuml http://ur1.ca/fumm http://ur1.ca/fqip | Nov 16 02:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Sued for #Patent Violations Again, Settles http://ur1.ca/fumo http://ur1.ca/fump | Nov 16 02:20 | |
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| ender2070_ | http://blogmaverick.com/2009/11/13/google-murdoch-madoff/ | Nov 16 05:34 |
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| ender2070_ | Mark Cuban thinks MS should pay off sites to remove themselves from the google index | Nov 16 05:35 |
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| DaemonFC | http://blog.avast.com/2009/10/30/dennis-technology-labs-vs-vince-technology-labs-can-testing-paid-for-by-an-av-company-be-trusted/#more-658 | Nov 16 06:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: avast! blog » Can testing paid for by an AV company be trusted? .::. Size~: 93.54 KB | Nov 16 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | Symantec has been out paying for test results favorable to Norton | Nov 16 06:18 |
| ender2070_ | yeah? ROFL | Nov 16 06:19 |
| ender2070_ | u didn't know? | Nov 16 06:19 |
| ender2070_ | www.avcomparitives.org | Nov 16 06:19 |
| ender2070_ | oops | Nov 16 06:20 |
| ender2070_ | http://www.av-comparatives.org/ | Nov 16 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://blog.avast.com/2009/10/02/and-what-about-microsoft-security-essentials?mse/ | Nov 16 06:21 |
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| ender2070_ | norton is never near the top | Nov 16 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: not really, no | Nov 16 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | Norton is one of the worst, in my first hand experience | Nov 16 06:24 |
| ender2070_ | thats what I am saying | Nov 16 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen more malware chew right through Norton than any other antivirus program | Nov 16 06:24 |
| ender2070_ | norton is never near the top | Nov 16 06:24 |
| ender2070_ | they are at the bottom | Nov 16 06:24 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe it's golfing scores | Nov 16 06:24 |
| ThistleWeb | the lower the better | Nov 16 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | Peter Norton/Symantec used to put out useful stuff, but we're talking the days of DOS and maybe up to Windows 95 | Nov 16 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | and I can't help but to think of the fox guarding the henhouse when I hear Microsoft and anti-virus in the same breath | Nov 16 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, trusting the people who made a flawed OS to watch out for the bad guys trying to exploit the flaws in the OS | Nov 16 06:26 |
| ender2070_ | norton put out good stuff till they were purchased by symantec | Nov 16 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | oh, they weren't Symantec back then? | Nov 16 06:27 |
| ender2070_ | no | Nov 16 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | oh, were the associated with Central Point? | Nov 16 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | *they | Nov 16 06:27 |
| ender2070_ | the dude on the box isnt even Peter Norton | Nov 16 06:27 |
| ender2070_ | just some actor | Nov 16 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | cause I remember that Central Point published things like the Central Point Desktop | Nov 16 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | a replacement Windows 3.1 shell that worked much better | Nov 16 06:28 |
| ender2070_ | might have been central point | Nov 16 06:28 |
| ender2070_ | nah | Nov 16 06:29 |
| ender2070_ | they partnered with central point for stuff | Nov 16 06:29 |
| ender2070_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Norton_Computing | Nov 16 06:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Peter Norton Computing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 34.7 KB | Nov 16 06:30 |
| ender2070_ | competitor* | Nov 16 06:30 |
| ender2070_ | both were purchased by symantec | Nov 16 06:31 |
| ender2070_ | central point sold Mirror, Undelete, and Unformat to MS | Nov 16 06:32 |
| ender2070_ | central point also licensed their dos a/v to ms | Nov 16 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Nov 16 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: Yeah, MSAV, and MWAV (Windows version) | Nov 16 06:34 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I5dVBezF9k | Nov 16 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUkO_UVeYlc | Nov 16 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | even better | Nov 16 06:48 |
| ender2070_ | pop does that? | Nov 16 06:49 |
| ender2070_ | i wanna see that movie | Nov 16 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVVkwtj6Rls | Nov 16 06:58 |
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| ender2070_ | lol | Nov 16 07:07 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jTM4ZOa69U | Nov 16 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-IGXlTBeo | Nov 16 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | my favorite of the whole movie | Nov 16 07:19 |
| ender2070_ | lololol | Nov 16 07:26 |
| ender2070_ | weird how they lock condoms up | Nov 16 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: They used to | Nov 16 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | decency and all that | Nov 16 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | now they have entire endcaps full of them at Walmart | Nov 16 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | so many condoms that you could go through one every 30 minutes for the rest of your life | Nov 16 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | and still have some left over | Nov 16 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | well, assuming they didn't expire | Nov 16 07:30 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Nov 16 07:30 |
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| DaemonFC | BlueHippo is being sued by the Federal Trade Commission | Nov 16 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | deceptive business practices | Nov 16 09:01 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Xubuntu has come a long way in the couple of years since I last tried it, props to all involved | Nov 16 09:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15075/windows_7_on_netbooks_maybe_its_not_a_linux_killer | Nov 16 09:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Preston Gralla eats crow, admits Windows 7 Starter blows and is no threat to Linux | Nov 16 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | Wonder what the return rate will be when people find out that Microsoft has disabled every feature in Windows 7 that they actually wanted to use | Nov 16 09:20 |
| *DaemonFC remembers Han Solo....... | Nov 16 09:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | "No, we're all fine, everything's fine, we just had a slight weapons malfunction. We're fine now, situation normal... How are you?" | Nov 16 09:21 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/windows-7-starter-sucks-so-bad-that-even-windows-evangelists-are-running-for-cover/ | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Survey: #Vista7 Disliked by Sub-notebooks Buyers, #GNU #Linux Emerges as a Winner http://ur1.ca/fvaf | Nov 16 10:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Survey: Vista 7 Disliked by Sub-notebooks Buyers, GNU/Linux Emerges as a Winner | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.3 KB | Nov 16 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Hey, oiaohm | Nov 16 10:26 |
| _goblin | just doing a Mandriva 2010 install | Nov 16 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Hi schestowitz | Nov 16 10:44 |
| oiaohm | I had a fun one today. | Nov 16 10:46 |
| oiaohm | 2003 refused to install. | Nov 16 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Just correctly placed bad sectors. | Nov 16 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Even accessing repair console on the install disk would not work. | Nov 16 10:46 |
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| cubezzz | interesting talk by Jack Tramiel | Nov 16 10:48 |
| cubezzz | with Woz and an Amiga guy and Al Acorn | Nov 16 10:48 |
| cubezzz | 25th Anniversary of C64 | Nov 16 10:49 |
| cubezzz | Al Alcorn | Nov 16 10:49 |
| cubezzz | one guy in the audience stands up and asks about the importance of open source | Nov 16 10:50 |
| cubezzz | Woz thinks it's great :) | Nov 16 10:50 |
| oiaohm | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/11/free-software-for-all-russian-schools.html Anyone read russian to confirm how correct this is. | Nov 16 10:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: open...: Free Software for All Russian Schools in Jeopardy .::. Size~: 106.22 KB | Nov 16 10:52 |
| cubezzz | in Jeopardy? | Nov 16 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Teething problems and cheep MS software offer. | Nov 16 10:54 |
| oiaohm | And there are some stupid lines in there. As a Linux tech I am normally called in to solve where normal windows techs fail with windows. | Nov 16 10:55 |
| cubezzz | you would think the Russians (who have good programmers) would like Linux and the like | Nov 16 10:55 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, no, I can believe it | Nov 16 10:55 |
| cubezzz | the same thing happens to me, yesterday I had to fix a Vista HP laptop | Nov 16 10:55 |
| oiaohm | But they make out you need Windows personal to take care to of window.s | Nov 16 10:56 |
| oiaohm | You need IT personal who can think. | Nov 16 10:56 |
| cubezzz | yes :) | Nov 16 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Linux personal have to know how to thing. | Nov 16 10:56 |
| oiaohm | thing/think. | Nov 16 10:56 |
| cubezzz | this HP was awful | Nov 16 10:56 |
| cubezzz | Vista was not good | Nov 16 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Windows starter by any chance. | Nov 16 10:56 |
| cubezzz | the screen was reflecting glare like crazy | Nov 16 10:57 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, not sure | Nov 16 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Windows Starter looks like windows 2000. | Nov 16 10:57 |
| oiaohm | No aero. | Nov 16 10:57 |
| cubezzz | probably not then | Nov 16 10:57 |
| cubezzz | it's just harder to fix windows problems | Nov 16 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Depends. | Nov 16 10:58 |
| cubezzz | DRM problems... | Nov 16 10:58 |
| oiaohm | If you use the windows admin stand by reimage the bastard or not. | Nov 16 10:58 |
| cubezzz | WIndows Media Player didn't work, VLC worked fine | Nov 16 10:58 |
| cubezzz | why in the world would anyone want WMP | Nov 16 10:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Are Critics of Criminal Activity Portrayed as ‘Bad Guys’? http://bit.ly/NXr1r | Nov 16 11:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why Are Critics of Criminal Activity Portrayed as Bad Guys? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103 KB | Nov 16 11:00 |
| oiaohm | VLC lacks music/video lib management cubezzz | Nov 16 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes people do need a better program than WMP. | Nov 16 11:02 |
| MinceR | it can access the best media library of the world | Nov 16 11:16 |
| MinceR | the filesystem. :> | Nov 16 11:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is not a meta data index. | Nov 16 11:17 |
| MinceR | it can hold metadata | Nov 16 11:17 |
| MinceR | and index it | Nov 16 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Searchable metadata index MinceR | Nov 16 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Quick search able. | Nov 16 11:17 |
| MinceR | iirc BeOS did it, there's no reason this couldn't be done the right way. | Nov 16 11:18 |
| MinceR | actually, desktop search probably does it already. | Nov 16 11:18 |
| oiaohm | Next part is taking that search and making a playlist from it. | Nov 16 11:18 |
| MinceR | besides, author, title and album fit well in directory/file names | Nov 16 11:19 |
| MinceR | and making a playlist from those is as simple as drag and drop :> | Nov 16 11:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not all people have file names like that. | Nov 16 11:19 |
| MinceR | their problem, not mine | Nov 16 11:19 |
| MinceR | also, you can turn a search into a file list which is also an m3u playlist. | Nov 16 11:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: guess what they are the buggest using WMP MinceR | Nov 16 11:20 |
| MinceR | hm? | Nov 16 11:20 |
| oiaohm | gbuggest/buggers | Nov 16 11:20 |
| MinceR | they're using wmp because they don't know better | Nov 16 11:20 |
| oiaohm | I hate my scrambles at times. | Nov 16 11:20 |
| MinceR | just like IE | Nov 16 11:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Article: Corporate Media Ownership Shifts http://bit.ly/22YQr5 | Nov 16 11:21 | |
| oiaohm | wmp is a bit different. | Nov 16 11:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Readers Article: Corporate Media Ownership Shifts | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.78 KB | Nov 16 11:21 |
| oiaohm | Lot have tried different players and still go back to it MinceR | Nov 16 11:21 |
| MinceR | yeah, it eats more RAM for no reason | Nov 16 11:21 |
| MinceR | i remember trying the first WMP on my 32MB machine which was decent at the time | Nov 16 11:21 |
| oiaohm | The library feature is what the ones that go back like. | Nov 16 11:21 |
| MinceR | WMP started out by taking more than 40MB memory | Nov 16 11:21 |
| MinceR | then i laughed and killed it. | Nov 16 11:21 |
| MinceR | bbl, lunch | Nov 16 11:21 |
| oiaohm | ammarok is close to what they want but it lacks good video support. | Nov 16 11:22 |
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| cubezzz | wow a windows 7 exploit that crashes the machine already | Nov 16 11:42 |
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| oiaohm | So cubezzz | Nov 16 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Windows 98 was released with known crash from 3 years before its release. | Nov 16 11:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill, Nathan, Steve, and Other Con Artists http://bit.ly/2OZVU7 | Nov 16 11:45 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bill, Nathan, Steve, and Other Con Artists | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.25 KB | Nov 16 11:45 |
| *cubezzz wonders who Nathan is | Nov 16 11:45 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, Microsoft plays dirty in Russian schools | Nov 16 11:46 |
| schestowitz | I'll write about it later, thanks for the URL | Nov 16 11:47 |
| cubezzz | I don't find Jobs as bad as Gates | Nov 16 11:48 |
| cubezzz | he seems to have more humility | Nov 16 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Just got this: | Nov 16 11:48 |
| schestowitz | "In case you're interested, openSUSE 11.2 installs Mono by default with the GNOME desktop (obviously) but it also includes Windows.Forms (mono-winforms). | Nov 16 11:48 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/16/opensuse-11-2-mono-with-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/ " | Nov 16 11:48 |
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| _Hicham_ | good morning Lord Schestowitz | Nov 16 11:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE 11.2 is Open to #Microsoft Lawsuits Because of #Mono http://bit.ly/4nFFy7 | Nov 16 12:01 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OpenSUSE 11.2 is Open to Microsoft Lawsuits Because of Mono | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.58 KB | Nov 16 12:01 |
| MinceR | re | Nov 16 12:03 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : where r u ? | Nov 16 12:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Marshall Projects (MoU), This Time in China http://bit.ly/zFeip | Nov 16 12:32 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: More Marshall Projects (MoU), This Time in China | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.09 KB | Nov 16 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Hey, _Hicham_ | Nov 16 12:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Pays #comScore More Money, Gets Bogus Endorsements http://bit.ly/1aulCI | Nov 16 12:56 | |
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| trmanco | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-November/071493.html | Nov 16 13:17 |
| oiaohm | http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/11/10/november_2009_web_server_survey.html LOL this is what you call highly doggy writing. When you read the text with it. MS has a 200K increase. Yet every one of the numbers there MS has lost ground. | Nov 16 13:19 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! | Nov 16 13:20 |
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| oiaohm | Hits phIRCe-local with a base ball bat. Could we give it a enter with history quote or something more interesting.' | Nov 16 13:22 |
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| oiaohm | Ok ChanServ has the hick ups. | Nov 16 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 16 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Sorry about that | Nov 16 13:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux, Google, and Apple Transform #Microsoft; #Seattle Mayor’s Office May Ditch #Windows http://ur1.ca/fvi8 | Nov 16 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | But it's a bot | Nov 16 13:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GNU/Linux, Google, and Apple Transform Microsoft; Seattle Mayors Office May Ditch Windows | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.12 KB | Nov 16 13:25 |
| schestowitz | You could hit its master, trmanco | Nov 16 13:25 |
| schestowitz | It's all trmanco's fault !! | Nov 16 13:25 |
| schestowitz | He created ze monsta' | Nov 16 13:25 |
| *oiaohm drops a great white shark on trmanco | Nov 16 13:25 | |
| *trmanco swims away from the shark | Nov 16 13:26 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Contractor fired for using firefox and Linux : http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/11/linux-contractor-fired-for-using.html | Nov 16 13:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Use of Bribes for Search, Only 4% of #Microsoft / #Razorfish Clients Used #Microsoft Search http://ur1.ca/fvl9 | Nov 16 13:58 | |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: maybe an extrapolation there from helios | Nov 16 13:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsofts Use of Bribes for Search, Only 4% of Microsoft/Razorfish Clients Used Microsoft Search | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.16 KB | Nov 16 13:58 |
| oiaohm | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Feature_Plan List of items planed for kde 4.4 is quite long. | Nov 16 13:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Schedules/KDE4/4.4 Feature Plan - KDE TechBase .::. Size~: 206.07 KB | Nov 16 13:59 |
| zer0c00l | yes, thats a sad story | Nov 16 14:02 |
| oiaohm | The contractor one is not exactly strange. | Nov 16 14:02 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : why it is not strange ? | Nov 16 14:06 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : should people get fired for using firefox ? | Nov 16 14:07 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : i hate IE-only websites | Nov 16 14:08 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : a lot of companies use VBScript and JScript to write their online tools | Nov 16 14:08 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : making Firefox unusable | Nov 16 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people out there still not know what Firefox | Nov 16 14:09 |
| zer0c00l | IE-only websites comes under HallofShame http://fosscomm.in/HallOfShame | Nov 16 14:14 |
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| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : those ones should be fired :) | Nov 16 14:15 |
| _Hicham_ | IE is in fact the greatest browser of all times | Nov 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | I was just writing about that... | Nov 16 14:18 |
| _Hicham_ | no other browser have API for executing client side shell commands | Nov 16 14:18 |
| _Hicham_ | u can't execute shell commands with Mozilla's Javascript | Nov 16 14:19 |
| _Hicham_ | u can't execute shell commands with V8's Javascript | Nov 16 14:19 |
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| _Hicham_ | it can only be done with Mr Internet Explorer, and its famous ActiveX Objects | Nov 16 14:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Won’t Secure #Firefox / #Chrome Users, Shows More Negligence http://bit.ly/SUILv | Nov 16 14:26 | |
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| cubezzz | get fired? no, of course not :) | Nov 16 14:37 |
| cubezzz | IE is part of embrace, extend and extinguish | Nov 16 14:37 |
| cubezzz | except the extinguish part is now impossible | Nov 16 14:38 |
| cubezzz | IE only sites still exist, but it's less now than before | Nov 16 14:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Confirmed: #Vista7 Fails to Sell PCs, Mostly Replaces #Vista http://bit.ly/3wrUyU | Nov 16 14:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #DRM Cracked Within Hours http://bit.ly/4vfC84 | Nov 16 15:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows , #Cisco Do Not Support #Vista7 http://bit.ly/4CKV3a | Nov 16 15:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Lisbon Treaty should have no direct impact on the European Patent Office (EPO): http://i5.be/S8 | Nov 16 15:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] !ubuntu to get a #music #store ? http://bit.ly/gVVgc | Nov 16 15:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Xbox 360 (Live) Users Banned, Buyers Flee http://bit.ly/3G6bos | Nov 16 16:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Mandriva 2010? wont have a 1200x800 res and wants to upgrade to 2009? Nope, not impressed. | Nov 16 17:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So since, this out-of-the-box distro is not for my machine, I have little interest in tinkering with it... | Nov 16 17:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I like to "tinker" but then I expect that of say Gentoo/Wolvix et al... | Nov 16 17:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and as I type this, the desktop has reported (and prevented) its third crash in 15 minutes. | Nov 16 17:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The end of IGF? Mulling on its point and pointlessness. Analysis by GenderIt Team http://tr.im/F526 | Nov 16 17:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Sued Again for #Patent Violation , Settles with Former Softie, as Before http://ur1.ca/fw0j | Nov 16 17:21 | |
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| schestowitz | Ahhh... 19 blog posts so far today | Nov 16 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Enough for now | Nov 16 17:28 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdq4Llr-K-s LOL | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: you should take over gnote development | Nov 16 17:35 |
| schestowitz | It needs a maintainer | Nov 16 17:35 |
| trmanco | I don't do c++ | Nov 16 17:35 |
| schestowitz | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnote-list/2009-October/msg00001.html | Nov 16 17:35 |
| schestowitz | You can hack on it | Nov 16 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Or learn as you go along | Nov 16 17:35 |
| trmanco | I'll port it to php-gtk | Nov 16 17:36 |
| trmanco | :-p | Nov 16 17:36 |
| schestowitz | http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/11/15/need-an-app-for-that-motu-mackenzie-morgan-has-us-covered/ | Nov 16 17:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Need an app for that? MOTU Mackenzie Morgan has us covered .::. Size~: 25.12 KB | Nov 16 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8361657.stm | Nov 16 17:46 |
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| _goblin | Very unimpressed with Mandriva 2010 | Nov 16 17:53 |
| _goblin | for an out of the box distro, it gave me more issues than a fresh gentoo install | Nov 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1562203/psystar-loses-apple | Nov 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: the upgrade to 2009 thing is a known bug | Nov 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Tux Machine reported it | Nov 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Was Plasma the part causing issues? | Nov 16 17:55 |
| _goblin | ah...that was one of many issues...the res prob was unforgivable for a newuser friendly distro | Nov 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | logger_bot just fell off. I don't know if it's a temporary network issue, a power failure, or server problem | Nov 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: maybe you didn't install the screen driver | Nov 16 17:57 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Nov 16 18:17 |
| schestowitz | test | Nov 16 18:17 |
| schestowitz | http://test.org | Nov 16 18:17 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 16 18:17 |
| schestowitz | OK, looks OK. http://boycottxandros.com | Nov 16 18:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.69 KB | Nov 16 18:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.69 KB | Nov 16 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Cool, I'm moving phIRCe-local to the server in California | Nov 16 18:18 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Nov 16 18:19 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Nov 16 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | How can I run a command (not just in the background & ) such that it will carry on running even after I had logged off? | Nov 16 18:28 |
| schestowitz | nohup..? | Nov 16 18:31 |
| cubezzz | nohup command | Nov 16 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Nov 16 18:34 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Nov 16 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Sorry about all this noise. Almost sorted now | Nov 16 18:36 |
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| ender2070 | selinux, or av for linux | Nov 16 18:36 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: | Nov 16 18:37 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@boycottnovell ~]$ uptime | Nov 16 18:37 |
| schestowitz | 10:31:51 up 76 days, 57 min, 1 user, load average: 1.98, 2.09, 1.84 | Nov 16 18:37 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@boycottnovell ~]$ uname -a | Nov 16 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Linux boycottnovell.com 2.6.18-128.1.10.el5xen #1 SMP Thu May 7 11:07:18 EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | Nov 16 18:37 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@boycottnovell ~]$ ps aux | grep php | Nov 16 18:37 |
| schestowitz | root 4240 0.0 0.4 152816 6792 ? S 10:29 0:00 php -q bot.php | Nov 16 18:37 |
| schestowitz | boycottn 4437 0.0 0.0 61156 724 pts/1 R+ 10:31 0:00 grep php | Nov 16 18:37 |
| ender2070 | ? | Nov 16 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Thanks to this: http://www.computing.net/answers/linux/continuing-jobs-after-logging-out/22242.html | Nov 16 18:38 |
| schestowitz | http://test.org | Nov 16 18:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 16 18:38 |
| schestowitz | OK, I don't know why it took so long to set up properly, but it's done now :-) | Nov 16 18:38 |
| cubezzz | still not too clear on what screen does | Nov 16 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Name servers are DDOS targets http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1562212/name-servers-ddos-targets | Nov 16 18:40 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, do you run bind? | Nov 16 18:40 |
| schestowitz | No. | Nov 16 18:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/16/ch4_3d_week/ | Nov 16 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Why? | Nov 16 18:41 |
| cubezzz | I'm thinking of using it | Nov 16 18:41 |
| cubezzz | just for the internal network | Nov 16 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Makes sense | Nov 16 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Hold on.. | Nov 16 18:42 |
| schestowitz | I want you to listen to this audio I listened to about bind.... 5 days ago... | Nov 16 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-45-hulu-your-dns-linux-basement | Nov 16 18:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: LB - Episode 45 - Hulu Your DNS by Linux Basement | Linux Basement .::. Size~: 30.98 KB | Nov 16 18:42 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - kind of cool | Nov 16 18:42 |
| ender2070 | do they suggest opendns? | Nov 16 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha. Sad. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/mexican_street_view/ | Nov 16 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | 208.67.222.222 | Nov 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | 208.67.220.220 | Nov 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: ^OpenDNS... recommended it to a mate this month after some zombie issues, hammering on their DNS | Nov 16 18:44 |
| ender2070 | my router is programmed with it | Nov 16 18:44 |
| ender2070 | my ISP does dns hijacking if i dont use it | Nov 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | trmanco advised me to use it when our DNS gets the Conficker Treatment | Nov 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/woodward_dead/ | Nov 16 18:45 |
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| trmanco | :) | Nov 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | http://fsfe.org/donate/letter-2009.en.html | Nov 16 18:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just checking out 9.10 (Gnome) so I can compare directly to KDE ver.... #ubuntu #linux #foss | Nov 16 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | BN attracted 3400 people in the past 9 hours... | Nov 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't think I ever posted 20 items in such a small amount of time | Nov 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62059318,00.htm | Nov 16 18:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin mandriva is said to be pampering both kde and gnome | Nov 16 18:56 | |
| ender2070 | very impressive | Nov 16 18:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz My Mandriva experience of Gnome doesnt do it any justice...Mandriva is not in my good books. | Nov 16 18:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #gwenview is getting _really_ good with Qt4! http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gwenview.html | Nov 16 18:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @@_goblin: maybe bad luck. Mandrek [sic] for some... | Nov 16 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | load average: 12.60, 6.06, 3.02 | Nov 16 19:00 |
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| *schestowitz sets ban on claymore!*@* | Nov 16 19:02 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked claymore from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Nov 16 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | that's mutex ban-evading again | Nov 16 19:02 |
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| cubezzz | he doesnt' seem to say anything lately | Nov 16 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes, now he's just monitoring to collect dirt and spew it somewhere else, I bet | Nov 16 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Other things are bait/provocation. Like times when he tries to lead into traps that make us look bad. BTW the new from Russian was expected, about Linux... | Nov 16 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is playing dirty from the sidelines | Nov 16 19:11 |
| ender2070 | he could just use the logs | Nov 16 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It's also trying to derail Brazil | Nov 16 19:12 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yes, not in real time | Nov 16 19:12 |
| schestowitz | There's Benjiman inviting mates from the OpenSUSE community | Nov 16 19:12 |
| ender2070 | is that bad? | Nov 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Also, he can't control the conversation in read-only | Nov 16 19:13 |
| ender2070 | Benjiman eh | Nov 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: I'd show you examples, not worth the time though | Nov 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | There's those who hang out looking to instigate | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | ODF suffers from those | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | FOSS also | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Pretenders of "supporters" | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | "Let me help you with that.... now, don't get me wrong, but...." | Nov 16 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techshout.com/software/2009/14/google-chrome-os-to-be-unleashed-before-december/ | Nov 16 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | wb, DaemonFC\ | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I linked to your blog after you had mentined that Gralla shill item | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why you even fed him | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | He's obviously an anti-Google, anti-Apple, anti-Linux salesman who does books for Ballmer | Nov 16 19:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Daily Mail may be a vile hateful cesspit, but their photo stories are great. Storms last weekend http://is.gd/4WtKj HT @petapixel | Nov 16 19:16 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: RE: The guy fired cause Firefox on Linux couldn't take that test. Not really unique. | Nov 16 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | ISPs don't know what to do if you can't run the Windows setup software they send out | Nov 16 19:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard The Daily Mail may be a vile hateful cesspit, but their photo stories are great. Storms last weekend http://is.gd/4WtKj | Nov 16 19:18 | |
| DaemonFC | I've had trouble setting up DSL and Cable (AT&T and Comcast) cause of that | Nov 16 19:18 |
| ender2070 | what is this in reference to? | Nov 16 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | they hand you off 5-6 times, don't know what Linux is, ask if you mean you're on a Mac | Nov 16 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | then finally they "activate" the modem from their end | Nov 16 19:18 |
| ender2070 | i just pretend im doing what they ask | Nov 16 19:19 |
| ender2070 | for my isp | Nov 16 19:19 |
| ender2070 | or i translate | Nov 16 19:19 |
| ender2070 | "open cmd.exe and run ping google.ca" > open konsole and run ping google.ca | Nov 16 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't work | Nov 16 19:20 |
| ender2070 | nobody is going to offer linux support over the phone, unless you're paying extra or something | Nov 16 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | they have to "activate" the modem | Nov 16 19:20 |
| ender2070 | and? | Nov 16 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | or else you just get a "Welcome to Comcast, please download this and run it to activate the modem" | Nov 16 19:20 |
| ender2070 | you run windows | Nov 16 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | it loads no matter what site you're trying to load | Nov 16 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | and it won't work in Wine | Nov 16 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T does the same crap | Nov 16 19:21 |
| ender2070 | you, run, windows | Nov 16 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | didn't have it at the time | Nov 16 19:21 |
| ender2070 | you're always talking about windows stuff, surprised u didnt have it installed | Nov 16 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I was mad | Nov 16 19:22 |
| ender2070 | i would be mad | Nov 16 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I asked them why I needed Windows to turn my modem on | Nov 16 19:22 |
| ender2070 | i would likely switch | Nov 16 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | switch to what? | Nov 16 19:23 |
| ender2070 | another isp | Nov 16 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | those are the choices, AT&T and Comcast | Nov 16 19:23 |
| ender2070 | they both require windows to use the net? | Nov 16 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | to set up the modem, they both require Windows or a Mac | Nov 16 19:23 |
| ender2070 | in canada you would be able to file a complaint with the competition bureau | Nov 16 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | or else you get to spend about an hour on the phone convincing them it's OK to turn it on from their end | Nov 16 19:24 |
| ender2070 | you could've threatened to go to the better business bureau | Nov 16 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I don't want their crappy software on my PC, even in Windows | Nov 16 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: That's only a threat if they have competition | Nov 16 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | they don't | Nov 16 19:24 |
| ender2070 | then you do it | Nov 16 19:25 |
| cubezzz | these guys are a bit out to lunch :) | Nov 16 19:25 |
| ender2070 | my country has laws that work, sorry it seems crazy :) | Nov 16 19:25 |
| schestowitz | "The International Cricket Council is considering relocating it's headquarters back to London from Dubai." http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/2009/11/16/1245d3d60c70 | Nov 16 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what wallc has to say about this: http://www.7days.ae/storydetails.php?id=86684&page=local%20news&title=Batteries%20included | Nov 16 19:28 |
| ender2070 | theres less lawsuits here because of it too, theres usually a government agency that enforces the laws | Nov 16 19:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 7DAYS - Batteries included .::. Size~: 42 KB | Nov 16 19:28 |
| ender2070 | my ex employer had broken employment laws and the ontario government pretty much wanted to sue them for it, and we settled | Nov 16 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | My last employer broke the law when they fired me | Nov 16 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | it just wasn't illegal then | Nov 16 19:33 |
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| cubezzz | .... meh | Nov 16 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care, that place was the most miserable job I've ever had | Nov 16 19:34 |
| ender2070 | i keep track of that stuff, cause they keep track of it on you | Nov 16 19:39 |
| *schestowitz has never been fired, just quite lots of jobs | Nov 16 19:40 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: If you quit, you don't get unemployment | Nov 16 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | if you wait around to get fired, you do | Nov 16 19:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's part of their lies | Nov 16 19:42 |
| schestowitz | The idea of unemployment was redefined by the spin doctors | Nov 16 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's what happens | Nov 16 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Those who stop looking for a job after x months no longer qualify | Nov 16 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | so I had to wait for them to fire me | Nov 16 19:43 |
| schestowitz | This way they can falsely claim that $figures improve | Nov 16 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I've always left my jobs politely | Nov 16 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | all the time I was waiting for it, I was being harassed by the supervisors | Nov 16 19:43 |
| schestowitz | [or didn't renew the contract] | Nov 16 19:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Amy Winehouse hospitalised after allergic reaction to sobriety http://is.gd/4WuSV | Nov 16 19:44 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Amy Winehouse hospitalised after allergic reaction to sobriety - News of the News .::. Size~: 34.25 KB | Nov 16 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It goes kind of like "Your workload suddenly doubles while everyone else is sitting on their ass, when you don't get your work done, you get fired for bad job performance" | Nov 16 19:44 |
| cubezzz | this show is very ameri-centric | Nov 16 19:44 |
| cubezzz | still interesting though | Nov 16 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I think my former step dad was allergic to being sober | Nov 16 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Nov 16 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | Gonad The Barbarian | Nov 16 19:45 |
| schestowitz | "former step dad.." first time I hear that | Nov 16 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | they divorced | Nov 16 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | and my mom was so disgusted by him, she changed her last name | Nov 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Typical | Nov 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | it's a hassle | Nov 16 19:46 |
| ender2070 | that sounds aweful about the workplaces in usa | Nov 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | My relative did just that when I was in Miami | Nov 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | It's a pain in the arse | Nov 16 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's why I think gay people are crazy, absolutely bonkers | Nov 16 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | to want the right to marry | Nov 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | And I saw their local government office... yuck | Nov 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Also very boring. | Nov 16 19:47 |
| ender2070 | its confusing | Nov 16 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, marriage is just a sham, it's a for profit institution ran mainly by divorce lawyers | Nov 16 19:47 |
| ender2070 | gay lifestyle, anti-religious, but then wants to take part of a religious tradition | Nov 16 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | If I was straight, I would work out some kind of legal framework like power of attorney and changing last names or whatever maybe | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Who, ryan? | Nov 16 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | but I would never get married | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | marred | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe one of convenience to many | Nov 16 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Who makes the most money in any marriage? The lawyers that help you end it. | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | People don't like to describe themselves as divorced or single past a certain age | Nov 16 19:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Please take the time to send a "meep" email. http://theodoramichaels.com/articles/meep.php HT @dantobias | Nov 16 19:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Meep .::. Size~: 11.47 KB | Nov 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | It's partly a conformist thing | Nov 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Finish school, go to college, get job, car, spouse, house, kids...." | Nov 16 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | well, if you're single past around 25 or so, people start suspecting you of having the gay | Nov 16 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | err | Nov 16 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | 35 that is | Nov 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | It's permeated in Hollywood films | Nov 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | People do what role models (those "Beautiful People" on telly) show them | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there's that too | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | "What, you AREN'T married? What are you, gay or something?" | Nov 16 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm still waiting on one person to tell me what tangible benefits you get for being married? | Nov 16 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | or is it just a whole bunch of liability | Nov 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Some straight scientists get that abuse | Nov 16 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's what it looks like | Nov 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Some people actually thought RMS was gay, which he's not | Nov 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | He's just devoted to something he sacrificed for | Nov 16 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | marriage is a garbage institution | Nov 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | It's good for kids | Nov 16 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | you can love someone without marrying them, you can have kids with them without marrying them | Nov 16 19:52 |
| schestowitz | High exit barriers | Nov 16 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Not really | Nov 16 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | well, some places I guess | Nov 16 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Ensures a framework where too people 'attend' for the needs of young men and women | Nov 16 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indiana is a no-fault divorce state. | Nov 16 19:52 |
| schestowitz | And later they can blow up some cash on college, which feeds the system | Nov 16 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | you can go from filing to divorced in anywhere from 1-6 months | Nov 16 19:52 |
| ender2070 | and to make sure the state gets some nice tax revenue | Nov 16 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | depending on how much you fight each other for assets | Nov 16 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | if you just want it dissolved, you can be out of the marriage in two weeks | Nov 16 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | what barrier is that? | Nov 16 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Or, like your neighbour, finish with $50k in debt | Nov 16 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | You can separate the whole time the divorce is going on | Nov 16 19:53 |
| schestowitz | [and no pension] | Nov 16 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yeah, she is nuts | Nov 16 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | best example of a marriage gone wrong I've ever seen | Nov 16 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Prisoner for life, Big People love that | Nov 16 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Now they can push her around for several decades | Nov 16 19:54 |
| schestowitz | She's a de facto slave to superiors | Nov 16 19:54 |
| ender2070 | I am not a number! I am a free man! | Nov 16 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: She handled that situation badly though | Nov 16 19:54 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: You're a free man... now take a number! | Nov 16 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I would have dug out enough to file divorce and pay off my car from my 401(k) | Nov 16 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | then I would have filed bankruptcy | Nov 16 19:55 |
| ender2070 | they better use that line somewhere in the new prisoner | Nov 16 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | they can't take money in your 401(k) when you do that | Nov 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Heh. 401(k) | Nov 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | The invisible, elusive property | Nov 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Like fantasy football | Nov 16 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yeah, and you take a massive tax penalty for rescuing it from a shitty economy | Nov 16 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | So how many 401(k)s went "poof!" after the banksters made a losing bet? | Nov 16 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | but it's still worth having one | Nov 16 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | your employer typically matches it either 50% or 100% | Nov 16 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Novell just cancelled theirs | Nov 16 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | so every $1 you put in is really like $1.50 or $2 | Nov 16 19:56 |
| schestowitz | !google novell pensions | Nov 16 19:56 |
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| DaemonFC | if you invest it well, you won't lose enough to cancel out the employer match | Nov 16 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Damn. It crashes it | Nov 16 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm sure there are places to invest it in that are stable | Nov 16 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | even now | Nov 16 19:57 |
| schestowitz | PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function json_decode() in /root/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 402 | Nov 16 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I made out pretty good on my investments in Microsoft, Apple, etc | Nov 16 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's been a few years though | Nov 16 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | I only put about $10,000 in though, counting employer match | Nov 16 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's all gone now though | Nov 16 19:59 |
| schestowitz | http://forums.crm.saeven.net/showthread.php?t=128 | Nov 16 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | between the tax penalty and having to live on it for like 8 months with no job | Nov 16 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | wiped it out pretty fast | Nov 16 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | ping trmanco | Nov 16 20:03 |
| trmanco | pong schestowitz | Nov 16 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Is there a flag to run the bot just for logging such that it doesn't obey any commands? | Nov 16 20:03 |
| trmanco | no | Nov 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | $log = 1; | Nov 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | $archive = 1; | Nov 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Is there a workaround for such a thing? | Nov 16 20:04 |
| trmanco | there is no $commands = 0; | Nov 16 20:04 |
| trmanco | no, not that I remember of | Nov 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | json was simple to install in UBuntu | Nov 16 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably be on Fedora 12 when it comes out tomorrow | Nov 16 20:05 |
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| DaemonFC | that FOSS 3d support for the Radeon works better than FGLRX ever has | Nov 16 20:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Nov 16 20:05 |
| schestowitz | !google crash | Nov 16 20:05 |
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| trmanco | :S | Nov 16 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The FGLRX driver is some nasty nasty shit | Nov 16 20:06 |
| schestowitz | json_decode() is in json, right? | Nov 16 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Isn't that already in php5? | Nov 16 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | even their latest version | Nov 16 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | it did work a lot better on OpenSuse for some reason | Nov 16 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I assume json has those google apis or something | Nov 16 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I still don't see any malware out that has managed to hijack Opera | Nov 16 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to risk interfering with php for wordpress... http://www.arckid.com/blog/amfphp/how-to-add-install-json-support-to-php-on-centos-in-10-steps/ | Nov 16 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | we're starting to see it happen to Firefox more and more | Nov 16 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | in addition to stuff tricking the user into thinking it's a Firefox extension or a Firefox message telling them to install rogue antivirus | Nov 16 20:09 |
| MinceR | http://comicjk.com/Pics/Comic34.gif | Nov 16 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm wondering if Firefox is turning into IE 6 before my eyes | Nov 16 20:09 |
| *MinceR doesn't remember IE6 having NoScript | Nov 16 20:10 | |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Nov 16 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | I don't consider NoScript to make things better | Nov 16 20:11 |
| MinceR | also, i don't remember it having Taboo, either :> | Nov 16 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Noscript is not trustworthy anyway. It has attacked Adblock Plus in the past to protect the NoScript website's own advertisements | Nov 16 20:12 |
| MinceR | those two things help me considerably in managing the memory and CPU use of my browser | Nov 16 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | so it was more like a trojan horse | Nov 16 20:12 |
| MinceR | if it continued, it would have been forked | Nov 16 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not happy about software that modifies other software without my permission or telling me what it's doing | Nov 16 20:13 |
| MinceR | neither am i | Nov 16 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | This example of extension attacking another extension applies to Linux and OS X and every other OS Firefox runs on | Nov 16 20:13 |
| schestowitz | !google okay, let's try the modified version | Nov 16 20:13 |
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| MinceR | in general i'm not happy about the way web browsers work | Nov 16 20:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 16 20:13 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | !google modified version on | Nov 16 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | !google kill yourelf | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | OK, I disabled the Google thing | Nov 16 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | *self | Nov 16 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 16 20:14 |
| trmanco | heh | Nov 16 20:14 |
| MinceR | why do you want to kill elves, DaemonFC? :> | Nov 16 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | cause.... bah f-ing humbug | Nov 16 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | nyaaaah | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's set up such that it never dies unless the server goes down. So it's not tied to my desktop anymore | Nov 16 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | kill those bastards and stop them from making eggnog | Nov 16 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | (elf cum) | Nov 16 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No more toys for kids on Christmas | Nov 16 20:16 |
| ender2070 | google gooooo | Nov 16 20:16 |
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| DaemonFC | then later the kids find out that the elves that made the toys were actually Chinese kids | Nov 16 20:16 |
| MinceR | so you're already in the mood for the winter solstice, aren't you, DaemonFC? :) | Nov 16 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | yep, the one in 2012 anyway | Nov 16 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 16 20:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 16 20:17 |
| trmanco | I'm playing poker right now | Nov 16 20:17 |
| trmanco | anybody wanna pay pokerth? | Nov 16 20:17 |
| trmanco | play* | Nov 16 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | if there's an asteroid big enough to wipe out all life on Earth, I'm gonna set up my lawn chair right under where it'll hit | Nov 16 20:17 |
| MinceR | pokerthulhu? | Nov 16 20:17 |
| trmanco | hun? | Nov 16 20:18 |
| trmanco | wow | Nov 16 20:19 |
| trmanco | full house | Nov 16 20:19 |
| trmanco | won 1 million | Nov 16 20:19 |
| trmanco | in play money :( | Nov 16 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The credit card company with four letters? | Nov 16 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Visa? | Nov 16 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | I use them on my debit card | Nov 16 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Wells Fargo uses Solaris though on their backend systems | Nov 16 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's nuts, but oh well | Nov 16 20:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/syv/syv104.html | Nov 16 20:21 |
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| MinceR | at least it isn't windows or macos | Nov 16 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I don't think Mac OS would even be capable of running their backend servers | Nov 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Solaris is fine for security | Nov 16 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | at least, not without a lot of work | Nov 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS is dead on servers | Nov 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | People would be better off using FreeBSD | Nov 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | No APple logo on it | Nov 16 20:22 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: neither is windows, yet people still try | Nov 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Aqua and one-button mice don't belong in DCs | Nov 16 20:23 |
| cubezzz | FreeBSD is good for server | Nov 16 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I've used Windows Server and always found it to be much better than the Windows that people use on their desktops | Nov 16 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | faster, more stable, security settings that actually might stop something | Nov 16 20:26 |
| MinceR | it isn't exactly difficult to be much better than that | Nov 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Nov 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Just got this via E-mail: | Nov 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | >> http://np237.livejournal.com/26149.html | Nov 16 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | > Also spot the One Microsoft Way of thinking in his rant there. For him the only solution is a denial of service against developers. He and his buddies make an inadequate tool, Tomboy, that's not up to the quality or licensing requirements of linux and his proposed solution is that real programmers waste their time cleaning up. | Nov 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | > Jono tried an admirable thing, if only naively so, in trying to bring Microsofters in out of the cold. However, employees (even volunteer ones) aren't always a good fit and a time does come where it is necessary to admit that skillsets and goals just are a right fit. Time to let them go. | Nov 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:27 |
| MinceR | security settings that might stop you from using the computer while attackers waltz in? :> | Nov 16 20:27 |
| schestowitz | > If Jono doesn't like being the heavy then he can always kick the task upstairs. I believe that Mark still has an interest in trying to keep Ubuntu and Canonical a success. Despite the damage to the code base, the damage to the reputation, the aggravation and the bad feelings that the mono club seems to have gone out of their way to cause, it's not important whether or not they go away mad, only that they go away. | Nov 16 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I've had uptime in the months on Windows 2003 | Nov 16 20:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:27 |
| schestowitz | > Of course there really is no 'away', they'll be around but it will help Ubuntu and Debian to have them out of the legitimate contributors collective hair. | Nov 16 20:27 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and that's supposed to amaze me? :> | Nov 16 20:27 |
| schestowitz | He trolled here once | Nov 16 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I've never gotten the desktop Windows to stay up half that long | Nov 16 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Broke the rules, too. Now he described anyone who resists tomboy "minions" | Nov 16 20:27 |
| MinceR | like i said, it isn't exactly difficult to function better than desktop windows | Nov 16 20:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 20:28 |
| cubezzz | openvms is supposedly the best for uptime | Nov 16 20:28 |
| cubezzz | but who knows :) | Nov 16 20:28 |
| MinceR | isolating the machine and not running any apps or services is best for uptime :> | Nov 16 20:28 |
| cubezzz | hardware can always die | Nov 16 20:29 |
| MinceR | not even openvms can stop hw from dying :> | Nov 16 20:29 |
| cubezzz | I assume it has redunant everything :) | Nov 16 20:29 |
| MinceR | even if it can stop users from doing anything useful with the machine :> | Nov 16 20:29 |
| cubezzz | there's uptimes over a decade | Nov 16 20:29 |
| cubezzz | http://www.uptimes-project.org | Nov 16 20:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Uptimes Project .::. Size~: 2.71 KB | Nov 16 20:32 |
| MinceR | "Windows 770 272 Years 74 Days 12 Hours 28 Minutes" | Nov 16 20:34 |
| schestowitz | jperlow took a DROID. http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11583&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zdnet%2Fperlow+%28ZDNet+Tech+Broiler%29 | Nov 16 20:34 |
| MinceR | sorry, but i have difficulty believing that site | Nov 16 20:34 |
| MinceR | it's just that windows didn't even exist 272 years ago | Nov 16 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a bug... _Think_ | Nov 16 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Amarok has an issue calculating "time last played" | Nov 16 20:35 |
| cubezzz | 240 days for me, then I added a card | Nov 16 20:36 |
| schestowitz | For old songs it says 14500 days ago | Nov 16 20:36 |
| schestowitz | epoch? | Nov 16 20:36 |
| MinceR | i think my server lasted about 100 days until a power outage | Nov 16 20:36 |
| MinceR | but that was mostly due to laziness | Nov 16 20:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: maybe you can add it on the fly | Nov 16 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Just do it fast! :-) | Nov 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | just fry the mainboard fast? :> | Nov 16 20:37 |
| cubezzz | well, bad planning on my part | Nov 16 20:37 |
| schestowitz | So the CPU cycle catches it right in time before you pull your fist | Nov 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 16 20:37 |
| cubezzz | adding a tv tuner card to my server wasn't really a good enough reason to bring it down | Nov 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | i doubt it's all about cpu cycle | Nov 16 20:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he can underclock it | Nov 16 20:37 |
| schestowitz | .0001 hz | Nov 16 20:37 |
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| cubezzz | some Sun machines have hot pluggable cards | Nov 16 20:38 |
| MinceR | oh, i can do that | Nov 16 20:38 |
| cubezzz | not mine though | Nov 16 20:38 |
| MinceR | shutdown for 10000 secs and then boot again :> | Nov 16 20:38 |
| _goblin | Right....back... | Nov 16 20:38 |
| MinceR | o hai | Nov 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | o/ | Nov 16 20:38 |
| _goblin | with 9.10 gnome v KDE | Nov 16 20:38 |
| cubezzz | a heavy electrical storm would probably kill a machine even with a UPS | Nov 16 20:39 |
| _goblin | and LostIRC 0.4.6 - never tried it before... | Nov 16 20:39 |
| ender2070 | i guess im gonna have to switch to arch | Nov 16 20:42 |
| _goblin | why? | Nov 16 20:42 |
| ender2070 | fedora has a bug with nvidia drivers | Nov 16 20:43 |
| PetoKraus | cause it's the true way | Nov 16 20:43 |
| PetoKraus | that's why | Nov 16 20:43 |
| ender2070 | my notebook gpu runs at 70+ degrees without them | Nov 16 20:45 |
| PetoKraus | lol | Nov 16 20:45 |
| ender2070 | my other machine has fans that aren't controlled by the driver | Nov 16 20:46 |
| ender2070 | so its not an issue there | Nov 16 20:46 |
| ender2070 | they refuse to fix it because the driver effected is proprietary, even though it was caused by a patch that didnt ship with xorg | Nov 16 20:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT@ osamak Just sent a message to Lulu regarding their DRM'ed ebooks. Please consider doing the same, we can stop this. http://ur1.ca/fqy7 | Nov 16 20:48 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lulu now selling DRM'ed ebooks | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 18.2 KB | Nov 16 20:48 |
| PetoKraus | bear in mind installing arch might be | Nov 16 20:48 |
| PetoKraus | well | Nov 16 20:48 |
| PetoKraus | non trivial | Nov 16 20:48 |
| ender2070 | i've installed arch before | Nov 16 20:48 |
| PetoKraus | good | Nov 16 20:48 |
| ender2070 | i know what im getting into :) | Nov 16 20:48 |
| ender2070 | i have latest-software ocd | Nov 16 20:48 |
| PetoKraus | well, yeah | Nov 16 20:49 |
| PetoKraus | i guess i'm the same | Nov 16 20:49 |
| PetoKraus | though only for stuff like xorg stack | Nov 16 20:49 |
| ender2070 | i dont want to hang onto F11 | Nov 16 20:49 |
| ender2070 | its old now | Nov 16 20:49 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Nov 16 20:50 |
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| ender2070 | or I can maintain my own xorg repo | Nov 16 20:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webmink.net/2009/11/starting-november-with-some-free-music.htm | Nov 16 20:55 |
| _goblin | k | Nov 16 20:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: WebMink .::. Size~: 21.72 KB | Nov 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: what do you think? | Nov 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Also see http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2009_11_14 | Nov 16 20:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ☞ Inconvenient Truth [on Simon Phipps, SunMink] .::. Size~: 28.92 KB | Nov 16 20:56 |
| amd-linux | not sure if this was already covered: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/11/13/badda-bing-microsoft-woos-newspapers-by-funding-their-stick-to-beat-google/ | Nov 16 20:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Badda Bing! Microsoft woos newspapers by funding their stick to beat Google .::. Size~: 101.75 KB | Nov 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: sorta | Nov 16 20:58 |
| _goblin | Ill reserve judgement..... | Nov 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | See the Cuban article | Nov 16 20:59 |
| _goblin | for a few more mins | Nov 16 20:59 |
| _goblin | one things for sure LostIRC is hopeless. | Nov 16 20:59 |
| amd-linux | was up in Financial Times Germany today, so probably some truth in it: http://www.ftd.de/it-medien/medien-internet/:bing-vs-google-microsoft-umwirbt-verleger-bei-geheimtreffen/50038114.html | Nov 16 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/16/microsoft-search-disaster/ | Nov 16 21:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsofts Use of Bribes for Search, Only 4% of Microsoft/Razorfish Clients Used Microsoft Search | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.61 KB | Nov 16 21:00 |
| amd-linux | that I knew as a daily reader, of course ;-) | Nov 16 21:01 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: they just try to break the Internet, they'll be loathed | Nov 16 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Pathetic thing for Bong [sic]... they don't know what else to try | Nov 16 21:01 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - did u see Mark Cuban's blog? | Nov 16 21:01 |
| amd-linux | but interesting to see how despreate they are. The numbers in question that they want to pay are really high | Nov 16 21:01 |
| amd-linux | and as always they do not innovate but try to buy (people or software) | Nov 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Eventually they'll just need to tell the big baby (Steve) to stop wetting his diaper and /focus//... on one business | Nov 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Apple found PMPs to be profitable | Nov 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is just all over the place, losing lots of money everywhere but the cash cows | Nov 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yes, see the BN post, I quoted you | Nov 16 21:03 |
| ender2070 | oh awesome | Nov 16 21:03 |
| amd-linux | MS is currently flooding Germany's ad channels with money - even here in Munich in the subway on the screens Win7 ads whereever you look | Nov 16 21:03 |
| amd-linux | they even bought the whole time between to comedy sequels on a FOX like channel here in prime time | Nov 16 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Oracle is also like that... just buying companies... http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/039824 | Nov 16 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: they lose almost a billion online, every qtr/annum | Nov 16 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It's their last chance | Nov 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They have to put Office on the Web, too | Nov 16 21:05 |
| amd-linux | so finally at least the pump some money into those countries they exploited for years (such as Germany) | Nov 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Gbit Ethernet, phones... | Nov 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They also MUST worry about phones | Nov 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They bought Dangers and killed oit | Nov 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Now they think about buying RIM | Nov 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Will the bank lend them more money? | Nov 16 21:05 |
| amd-linux | MS is a dead fish in the water wrt phones, as know even my non technical collegues get interested in Android | Nov 16 21:06 |
| amd-linux | now | Nov 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile is too $$ to maintain | Nov 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | So it's hardly maintain | Nov 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | They give it nip-tuck | Nov 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | *maintained | Nov 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | It's hardly being developes.... no modular | Nov 16 21:07 |
| amd-linux | O2 Germany explicitly advertises Android phones with Android | Nov 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Android just pulls latest linux, gtk, whatever... | Nov 16 21:07 |
| MinceR | i doubt it uses gtk | Nov 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | At some stage it will make no fiancial sense to make WM | Nov 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | It'll become abandonware, like Symbian seems to be | Nov 16 21:07 |
| amd-linux | right, and can be extremely customized, like HTC Tattoo | Nov 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Not enough in licensing money from carriers | Nov 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile has lost money for like.... forever. Maybe at some stage it actually made profit | Nov 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I don't think so, either | Nov 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Java | Nov 16 21:08 |
| amd-linux | (ok, HTC Tattoo is a bad example as Sense, the HTC UI, also runs on WM, I have to admit | Nov 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Google uses Pixie Dust | Nov 16 21:09 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703808904574526072224895160.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us | Nov 16 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | "Antitrust Division Issues Statement on the European Commission’s Decision Regarding the Proposed Transaction Between Oracle and Sun" http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/November/09-at-1210.html Nice new site design | Nov 16 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft page is still butt-ugly. http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/ms_index.htm | Nov 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f1300/1311.htm | Nov 16 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Oh no. Google hires poison. http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/11/report_former_microsoftie_don_dodge_lands_at_google.html | Nov 16 21:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin you should review this new one: http://bit.ly/2TX8es | Nov 16 21:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] UNR (Ubuntu Netbook Remix) to be known as UNE (Ubuntu Netbook Edition) http://bit.ly/4uE4I7 #uds | Nov 16 21:19 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.howtoforge.com/enabling-compiz-fusion-on-an-ubuntu-9.10-desktop-nvidia-geforce-fx-5200 | Nov 16 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2009-11.html#e2009-11-15T19_08_48.txt | Nov 16 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2009/11/15/just-cuz-the-o-reilly-examples-were-crap | Nov 16 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | "WHICH str is which?? What IDIOT thought this was a good example??" | Nov 16 21:31 |
| schestowitz | ORLY. | Nov 16 21:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] have come home from work exhausted and ready for bed at 9:30pm. I have turned into my father. | Nov 16 21:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Today's featured picture: poop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | Nov 16 22:10 | |
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| _goblin | One things for sure...comparing KDE/Gnome Ubuntu shows that Canonical has the Linux distro licked! | Nov 16 22:14 |
| _goblin | no probs on either.... | Nov 16 22:14 |
| ender2070 | its xorg is too old | Nov 16 22:15 |
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| serk01 | check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz8OKG4FI2Q and tell me what you think.Worth to port to android? | Nov 16 22:17 |
| serk01 | i did this more than a year ago..never found time to continue it though | Nov 16 22:18 |
| _goblin | The thing I hate about KDE........ | Nov 16 22:23 |
| _goblin | that soppy toolbar that pops out whenever an icon or widget has focus..... | Nov 16 22:23 |
| _goblin | looks a mess. | Nov 16 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | hey, serk01 | Nov 16 22:41 |
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| serk01 | hey schestowitz | Nov 16 22:42 |
| schestowitz | serk01: nice video | Nov 16 22:42 |
| serk01 | thanks. | Nov 16 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Yours? | Nov 16 22:42 |
| serk01 | yeah. a free time project i did, | Nov 16 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Can I make an ogg from it and post in BN? | Nov 16 22:43 |
| serk01 | defintely! | Nov 16 22:43 |
| serk01 | post me a mail or something when you do so. serk01@identi.ca or ender42.wiggin@gmail.com | Nov 16 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I'll post it in a moment. | Nov 16 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Hold on... | Nov 16 22:44 |
| serk01 | cool | Nov 16 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Done transcoding | Nov 16 22:48 |
| *_Hicham_ thinks that schestowitz is transcoding its videos to wmv format | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| serk01 | cheers man. it's all free for anyone to play/extend. wish i had time to port to android (maybe some day) | Nov 16 22:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Power of #GNU #Linux in One’s Hand (Video) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/16/pyacceleremoter/ | Nov 16 22:52 | |
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| schestowitz | OK, done. I just needed to make sure Free software supporter have the ogg option | Nov 16 22:52 |
| _Hicham_ | ogg container with wma/wmv codecs | Nov 16 22:52 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I'll leave it for *you* to saturate the Web with Microsoft encolosures for MPEG4... with DRM !! | Nov 16 22:53 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: nope | Nov 16 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Theora | Nov 16 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Plays in FF 3.5 | Nov 16 22:53 |
| schestowitz | <video> | Nov 16 22:53 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz still uses IE6 on his Linux box | Nov 16 22:53 |
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| _Hicham_ | that is why he is transcoding everything to wma/wmv | Nov 16 22:54 |
| schestowitz | serk01: thanks a lot! | Nov 16 22:54 |
| ender2070 | hey serk01 im a fan too | Nov 16 22:54 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I also use Solitaire.exe in wine when my Linux box loads up all the daemons | Nov 16 22:54 |
| serk01 | schestowitz: no problem mate | Nov 16 22:54 |
| serk01 | ender2070: how can someone not be? ;) | Nov 16 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Phones are spreading... smarter and more libre | Nov 16 22:55 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : all the daemons, including DaemonFC ? | Nov 16 22:55 |
| serk01 | ender2070: reading "ender in exile" currently | Nov 16 22:55 |
| ender2070 | very nice | Nov 16 22:56 |
| serk01 | ender2070: check it out if haven't already. it's good | Nov 16 22:56 |
| ender2070 | i've read them all | Nov 16 22:56 |
| serk01 | me too. plus all the shadow saga | Nov 16 22:56 |
| ender2070 | i've been waiting for the seqel to children of the mind | Nov 16 22:56 |
| serk01 | btw, the shadow saga seemed even better at a some points | Nov 16 22:56 |
| ender2070 | yeah its quite good | Nov 16 22:56 |
| serk01 | i guess you a fan of DNA too? | Nov 16 22:57 |
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| serk01 | schestowitz: i like the title "power of gnu/linux in one's hand" | Nov 16 22:59 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: daemonfc is a Windows daemon :-) | Nov 16 22:59 |
| schestowitz | serk01: first thing that came to mind | Nov 16 23:00 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz uses the mono version of Solitaire.exe | Nov 16 23:00 |
| schestowitz | We didn't do enough advocacy, mostly exposing opposition to it | Nov 16 23:00 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: mono is dead in the water already | Nov 16 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Do we need an official funeral? | Nov 16 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, with Miguel mourning it | Nov 16 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we should do videos more often. It's all about showing that "Linux" is fun and advanced, not that "brown Ubuntu desktop" most people have in mind. | Nov 16 23:03 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: don't worry, he'll live. He made a lot of money from it. | Nov 16 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | ubuntu should choose fancy colors | Nov 16 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | brown is ugly | Nov 16 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the color of s*** | Nov 16 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz can make some great artwork | Nov 16 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : don't worry, I will fork openSUSE, and put ur picture instead of Novell's logo | Nov 16 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u agree on that ? | Nov 16 23:07 |
| ender2070 | serk01 - DNA? | Nov 16 23:07 |
| serk01 | ender2070: Douglas Noel Adams. The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy | Nov 16 23:07 |
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| ender2070 | ohhhhhh for sure | Nov 16 23:07 |
| MinceR | also, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency | Nov 16 23:08 |
| ender2070 | you think you got it bad? what if you ARE a manically depressed robot? | Nov 16 23:08 |
| serk01 | MinceR: Dirk Gently rules | Nov 16 23:09 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 16 23:09 |
| serk01 | someone today asked me 'how's life?' i was so close in answering 'life?don't talk to me about life.i loathe it'. | Nov 16 23:10 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is silent again | Nov 16 23:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This laptop is doing rather well with #Ubuntu 9.10 and powertop. 12.2W (4.6 hours) (long term: 10.8W,/5.1h) - does 4h in #Windows XP | Nov 16 23:12 | |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's orange mostly | Nov 16 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | But I think they can market it visually a lot better | Nov 16 23:16 |
| schestowitz | People think of "Linux" as "brown thingie" | Nov 16 23:16 |
| serk01 | btw considering sending a message to this stupid MP who will penalize p2p sharing http://threestrikes.openrightsgroup.org/ | Nov 16 23:17 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : blue colors or green ones ? | Nov 16 23:17 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I think u prefer greenish world | Nov 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Defaults matters only to beginners | Nov 16 23:17 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: are you using SUSE Studio? | Nov 16 23:17 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : for the moment ? | Nov 16 23:18 |
| ender2070 | _Hicham_ didnt u use fedora? | Nov 16 23:21 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : that is why I am asking him | Nov 16 23:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #GNU #Linux Desktops Can Add to Calm Experience http://bit.ly/25TMno | Nov 16 23:25 | |
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| serk01 | guys, have you seen this? http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/11/16/2223248/Microsoft-Open-Sources-NET-Micro-Framework | Nov 16 23:25 |
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| ender2070 | oh nice | Nov 16 23:25 |
| ender2070 | it would be funny if they released all the source code for .NET | Nov 16 23:26 |
| _Hicham_ | what would be the difference ? | Nov 16 23:26 |
| serk01 | the question is not what they are doing, but why? it's the question that drives us neo | Nov 16 23:26 |
| _Hicham_ | we already have mono | Nov 16 23:26 |
| ender2070 | if they used gpl3, they wouldnt have patent fangs | Nov 16 23:26 |
| tessier | Does Apache license grant patents also? | Nov 16 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz will go nuts then | Nov 16 23:27 |
| ender2070 | i dont think it does | Nov 16 23:27 |
| ender2070 | iirc | Nov 16 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | no, MS won't use GPL | Nov 16 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | they have their own Open Source License | Nov 16 23:27 |
| ender2070 | MS will use GPL, for their image burning program | Nov 16 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | Ms-PL | Nov 16 23:27 |
| serk01 | i think they have really good reason for not going open source. They're probably embarassed of their code :) | Nov 16 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft hosts only one project in sourceforge | Nov 16 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | which is great | Nov 16 23:28 |
| schestowitz | odf-plugin? | Nov 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They are just trying to confuse people | Nov 16 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | no, WTL | Nov 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Assimilation | Nov 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Me rival says "I am X" | Nov 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Then I say "I am X TOO" | Nov 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Then I change what X means | Nov 16 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | the Windows Template Library | Nov 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft EEE | Nov 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Still a bunch of criminals based on the OOXML fiasco | Nov 16 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | one of the best libraries on Windows, if not the best | Nov 16 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | but guess what is the trick ? | Nov 16 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | anyone ? | Nov 16 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | nobody can guess | Nov 16 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | though it is simple | Nov 16 23:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cognos Deployed on #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/1asLfP | Nov 16 23:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Bookmark Synch Application Comes to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/fws0 | Nov 16 23:36 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Chromium bookmark sync now cross-platform, lands on Linux .::. Size~: 80.12 KB | Nov 16 23:36 |
| ender2070 | woot | Nov 16 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u see the internet explorer made by mono project ? | Nov 16 23:37 |
| schestowitz | No, can't recall that | Nov 16 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Miguel wanted to work on IE for the Vole | Nov 16 23:37 |
| schestowitz | But he didn't have a visa or something | Nov 16 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : it was done using gecko-sharp :) | Nov 16 23:38 |
| ender2070 | oh god | Nov 16 23:38 |
| ender2070 | i bet they attempt to replace firefox with it | Nov 16 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Well, that's what they told him anyway. Maybe they wanted to seem polite | Nov 16 23:38 |
| schestowitz | "it not you, it's -me- immigration" | Nov 16 23:39 |
| _Hicham_ | by Mozilla is evil to them | Nov 16 23:39 |
| _Hicham_ | Mozilla keeps breaking the API used by silverlight | Nov 16 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla is good | Nov 16 23:39 |
| _Hicham_ | oh, moonlight | Nov 16 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie should ba banned | Nov 16 23:39 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 16 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | The EU Commission had invetigations into it | Nov 16 23:39 |
| ender2070 | mozilla actually supports freedom, and wonders why people are so pragmatic these days | Nov 16 23:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently writing "Ubuntu Karmic is the venue for Gnome V KDE!" - whilst also listening to Slay Radio. #linux #foss #ubuntu #kde #gnome | Nov 16 23:40 | |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft is corrupting the EU COmmission these days... putting Microsoft people inside it | Nov 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Some of them it turns out I didn't know about... there are several | Nov 16 23:40 |
| _Hicham_ | Mozilla will be in great trouble if Google let them down | Nov 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat employee told me.. | Nov 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes | Nov 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I don't support Chrome | Nov 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Google has enough cash to wipe its arse with it | Nov 16 23:40 |
| _Hicham_ | maybe schestowitz can donate then | Nov 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It ought to stay a sponsor of Mozilla | Nov 16 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | but Chrome is coming | Nov 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla is harmless | Nov 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They are a foundation that loves coding, without shareholders | Nov 16 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | no, for the long term, I don't think | Nov 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | We need more companies like that | Nov 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Omar87_ did some work on Mozilla IIRC | Nov 16 23:41 |
| ender2070 | http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Technology/Mozilla-Firefox-Celebrates-5th-Birthday-Boss-Tristan-Nitot-Warns-Of-Threat-To-Web-Freedoms/Article/200911215445546?f=rss | Nov 16 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | with Chrome OS, Google will start a new era | Nov 16 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Or was it WikiMedia | Nov 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | ? | Nov 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: nope | Nov 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Ask MinceR | Nov 16 23:42 |
| serk01 | mozilla is good. google is (becoming?) evil | Nov 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | If {Google=1} & {search engine=0} then fail(); | Nov 16 23:42 |
| ender2070 | i dont think google is becoming evil, just selfish | Nov 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Google just makes many betas of stuff that vanishes if it's not search related | Nov 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Even the scanning is search related | Nov 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | OCR+searchc | Nov 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Maps=~search+ ads for list of things | Nov 16 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, what about Google Earth ? | Nov 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Google is good at information storage and delivery, not coding | Nov 16 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | isn't it the most widely product in the field ? | Nov 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they bought it | Nov 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | KeyHole | Nov 16 23:43 |
| ender2070 | i would blame the authors guild for the books, they are just as evil in that situation - demanding royalties for books they dont own | Nov 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Maps predates it or overlaps it somewhat | Nov 16 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | and by the way, Chromium is progressing fast | Nov 16 23:44 |
| _Hicham_ | though there are things i didn't like about it | Nov 16 23:44 |
| schestowitz | brb | Nov 16 23:44 |
| schestowitz | gotta write some stuff | Nov 16 23:44 |
| ender2070 | the authors guild wanted royalties for public domain books too | Nov 16 23:44 |
| ender2070 | bunch of douches | Nov 16 23:44 |
| _Hicham_ | the webkit engine is progressing very fast | Nov 16 23:45 |
| ender2070 | i like webkit, but i use it with arora or rekonq | Nov 16 23:45 |
| _Hicham_ | but IMHO, it will become more heavy than gecko | Nov 16 23:45 |
| _Hicham_ | first thing, its source code, wow, it is pretty huge ! | Nov 16 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | 700MB ! | Nov 16 23:46 |
| ender2070 | noooo | Nov 16 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : I am talking about chromium | Nov 16 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | have u ever compiled it? | Nov 16 23:46 |
| ender2070 | 700MB? | Nov 16 23:46 |
| ender2070 | dont u mean 70 | Nov 16 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : go grub its sources | Nov 16 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | huh | Nov 16 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | then u never compiled it | Nov 16 23:47 |
| ender2070 | no, i used a ppa for ubuntu before | Nov 16 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | i compile mozilla all the time | Nov 16 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | but chromium, wow , too heavy for my slow connection | Nov 16 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | i compile xulrunner in exactly one hour | Nov 16 23:48 |
| _Hicham_ | but chromium takes some time, though compiled against webkit | Nov 16 23:48 |
| _Hicham_ | if we make an analogy, gecko is superior in that regard | Nov 16 23:49 |
| _Hicham_ | because if u compile firefox against xulrunner, u need less than 5 min | Nov 16 23:49 |
| ender2070 | thats crazy | Nov 16 23:49 |
| _Hicham_ | what is crazy ? | Nov 16 23:50 |
| ender2070 | the insane compile times | Nov 16 23:51 |
| serk01 | night everyone | Nov 16 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Omar87_: http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/256896 | Nov 16 23:51 |
| schestowitz | serk01: night | Nov 16 23:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 16 23:52 |
| serk01 | see u around. | Nov 16 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : u never compiled mozilla ? | Nov 16 23:52 |
| ender2070 | not in a while | Nov 16 23:52 |
| *serk01 has quit ("Leaving") | Nov 16 23:52 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz went to sleep | Nov 16 23:53 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 16 23:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Red #Hat in Puts #GNU #Linux in #Jordan http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/256896 | Nov 16 23:54 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 16 23:54 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: we need similar stories from Morocco. Why can't you make it happen :-o | Nov 16 23:54 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : because everything here is pirated | Nov 16 23:55 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Linux is still made for Geeks | Nov 16 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's a good thing. Too much Linux will lead to "liberation" from invading armies - y'know, the ones where people love big guns... and love to shoot people and murder other races for the love of Big Giant Evangelical oil companies | Nov 16 23:56 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : and we have an internet problem with Linux | Nov 16 23:56 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : apart Mandriva | Nov 16 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Bandwidth? | Nov 16 23:57 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : no, configuring the most used internet connection | Nov 16 23:57 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : we don't have pb with bandwith | Nov 16 23:57 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : u can download as much as u want | Nov 16 23:57 |
| *oiaohm (n=oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 16 23:57 | |
| _Hicham_ | here is oiaohm | Nov 16 23:57 |
| _Hicham_ | the most headed one in this channel | Nov 16 23:58 |
| *schestowitz waves t/w oiaohm | Nov 16 23:58 | |
| _Hicham_ | ie, he has the biggest hear | Nov 16 23:58 |
| _Hicham_ | *head | Nov 16 23:58 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm's head weights about 10 kgs | Nov 16 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Easy head shot j/k | Nov 16 23:58 |
| _Hicham_ | he has ventilation conducts all over his head | Nov 16 23:59 |
| _Hicham_ | because his head gets too hot | Nov 16 23:59 |
| _Hicham_ | :) | Nov 16 23:59 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 16 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Water cooling | Nov 16 23:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: just a theory. Is is possible that MS uses flaws to advertised its products. Ie old saying no such thing as bad advertisement. | Nov 16 23:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I wrote this today | Nov 16 23:59 |
| _Hicham_ | 1st Flaw : ActiveX | Nov 16 23:59 |
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