| _goblin | lol... | Nov 18 00:01 |
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| wispygalaxy | my teacher had a button from a office supply store called Staples. When you pushed on it, it would say "that was easy" - it was the slogan for the store. he'd push that whenever you got a question right in class | Nov 18 00:01 |
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| yuhong | Did you look at the Recent Comments section? Looks like someone is spamming. | Nov 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes, we have DNS problems | Nov 18 00:02 |
| schestowitz | tessier seems to be away | Nov 18 00:03 |
| _goblin | I was reading an article the other day about global warming and it maybe not mans fault.....apparently Mars is heating up too... | Nov 18 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Brought to you by Exxon? | Nov 18 00:03 |
| wallc | i just finished reading the Don Dodge blog. I wonder why Google hired him so fast? it seems odd to me...maybe they wanted to keep him where they could keep an eye on him? | Nov 18 00:03 |
| wispygalaxy | correlation != causation | Nov 18 00:03 |
| _goblin | not sure..... | Nov 18 00:03 |
| _goblin | It was interesting though..... | Nov 18 00:03 |
| wispygalaxy | yes thats cool | Nov 18 00:04 |
| tessier | Again? Ugh | Nov 18 00:04 |
| tessier | I'll fix it... | Nov 18 00:04 |
| _goblin | If Mars is infact heating up maybe this is sort of a solar system balance...just like Jupiter grabs alot of the junk heading our way...maybe mars is the backup for Earth..... | Nov 18 00:04 |
| tessier | Hmm...dns seems ok. | Nov 18 00:05 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You say you are still having dns problems? | Nov 18 00:06 |
| wispygalaxy | you reminded me of the meteor shower tonight... im going at 11 PM | Nov 18 00:06 |
| _goblin | and your handle reminded me of space topics! | Nov 18 00:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Means More Things Break, Unlike #GNU #Linux http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1064 | Nov 18 00:06 | |
| wispygalaxy | yes, my name is space inspired ;) | Nov 18 00:07 |
| wispygalaxy | it popped in my head one day when i wanted to get a gmail account | Nov 18 00:07 |
| _goblin | best space scifi film......Event Horizon.... | Nov 18 00:07 |
| _goblin | (IMO) | Nov 18 00:07 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll check it out | Nov 18 00:07 |
| _goblin | its horror.. | Nov 18 00:08 |
| _goblin | but very good.... | Nov 18 00:08 |
| wispygalaxy | should i watch it with the lights out? | Nov 18 00:08 |
| _goblin | no..! | Nov 18 00:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IT Policies Inside Companies Seen as Leaning Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/g0et | Nov 18 00:08 | |
| _goblin | its actually very creepy (IMO) | Nov 18 00:08 |
| wispygalaxy | ok, you made me more curious :P | Nov 18 00:08 |
| wispygalaxy | uh oh.. should i back out now? | Nov 18 00:09 |
| _goblin | wispygalaxy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd0nQUF00Sg | Nov 18 00:09 |
| wispygalaxy | looks good! | Nov 18 00:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Law Enforcement Done with #IBM Processors, #GNU #Linux and PlayStation 3 http://ur1.ca/g0f2 | Nov 18 00:10 | |
| yuhong | That Handspring Visor that do not work with Vista due to changes to hardware detection works fine with gnome-pilot on the Ubuntu side, BTW. | Nov 18 00:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HPC Shows That #GNU #Linux Has Already Won Some Areas http://ur1.ca/g0f9 http://ur1.ca/fwhq | Nov 18 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: let me recheck | Nov 18 00:12 |
| wispygalaxy | schestowitz: tux is winning some battles, atta boy | Nov 18 00:12 |
| schestowitz | tessier: works now, thanks | Nov 18 00:12 |
| schestowitz | [root@boycottnovell ~]# wget schestowitz.com | Nov 18 00:12 |
| schestowitz | --2009-11-17 16:10:41-- http://schestowitz.com/ | Nov 18 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Resolving schestowitz.com... 84.18.207.66 | Nov 18 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Connecting to schestowitz.com|84.18.207.66|:80... connected. | Nov 18 00:12 |
| schestowitz | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | Nov 18 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Length: 16253 (16K) [text/html] | Nov 18 00:12 |
| wispygalaxy | im on your website schestowitz.com right now | Nov 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz | It's very out of date | Nov 18 00:13 |
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| wispygalaxy | works fine here! | Nov 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I focus on other things in recent years | Nov 18 00:13 |
| wispygalaxy | you should put some more cool things on there | Nov 18 00:13 |
| wispygalaxy | you have lots of pictures | Nov 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz | wallc: Dodge is trouble | Nov 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I am going to write about it later | Nov 18 00:13 |
| wispygalaxy | remember in COLA when the trolls said that it was infested with a trojan? those liars! | Nov 18 00:14 |
| yuhong | GoDaddy and Bob Parsons, yep it is the CEO with a radio show. | Nov 18 00:14 |
| yuhong | Mostly off-topic of course. | Nov 18 00:14 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: there are still some papers I need to upload | Nov 18 00:15 |
| schestowitz | latex2html | Nov 18 00:15 |
| wispygalaxy | i remember talking about latex in COLA | Nov 18 00:15 |
| wispygalaxy | it sounds cool | Nov 18 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Hardest thing for windows users to get is when Linux won the supers | Nov 18 00:16 |
| oiaohm | It started looking for a new home. | Nov 18 00:16 |
| wispygalaxy | the trolls think that you stopped your work and only focus on this site, you do lots of things | Nov 18 00:16 |
| yuhong | You should visit http://www.radiogodaddy.com/ and http://bobparsons.me . | Nov 18 00:16 |
| yuhong | The latter is Bob Parson's video blog. | Nov 18 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Linux got victory about 4 years ago in the supers. | Nov 18 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Its stuning really the last few years of work releated to supers is mostly consolidation. | Nov 18 00:18 |
| yuhong | In particular, visit the former and look at the December 2008 radio shows. | Nov 18 00:18 |
| yuhong | You will find "Virtual Weddings, Flawed Internet Filters & a Candid Discussion About Go Daddy Business Practices" radio show with Andrew Allemann. | Nov 18 00:18 |
| yuhong | Where Bob Parsons candidly admits some mistakes, like Standard Tactics. | Nov 18 00:19 |
| tessier | jobs | Nov 18 00:19 |
| tessier | oops | Nov 18 00:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space Gets More New Software, #Drivers http://ur1.ca/g0g7 http://ur1.ca/g0g8 http://ur1.ca/g0g9 | Nov 18 00:20 | |
| oiaohm | The vmware one is special schestowitz | Nov 18 00:21 |
| bikedog1 | i swear, windows 7 was the most talked up POS ive ever seen... | Nov 18 00:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Announced http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Announcement | Nov 18 00:23 | |
| oiaohm | bikedog1: so you missed out on windows me | Nov 18 00:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010.0 with #KDE4 is Perfect http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1233 | Nov 18 00:24 | |
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| _goblin | bikedog1: what distro are you running? | Nov 18 00:25 |
| yuhong | On Windows Me, someone on slashdot finally figures out why it got a bad rep: | Nov 18 00:26 |
| yuhong | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1372835&cid=29457945 | Nov 18 00:26 |
| schestowitz | [00:16] <wispygalaxy> the trolls think that you stopped your work and only focus on this site, you do lots of things | Nov 18 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Which trolls? | Nov 18 00:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #XtreemOS 2.0 ( #GNU / #Linux ) is Released http://www.xtreemos.eu/hotspot_news/xtreemos-2-0-is-now-available | Nov 18 00:26 | |
| wispygalaxy | COLA trolls, the ones you kilfiled | Nov 18 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | they make snide remarks | Nov 18 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | of course, i dont believe them | Nov 18 00:27 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: "Mandriva 2010.0 with #KDE4 is Perfect" I'd beg to differ with Itnewstoday there....for me it was the first Linux distro to let me down. | Nov 18 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | i need to try mandriva | Nov 18 00:28 |
| _goblin | I was unimpressed.... | Nov 18 00:28 |
| _goblin | very.... | Nov 18 00:28 |
| wispygalaxy | oops, i g2g dinner. bye all! | Nov 18 00:28 |
| _goblin | bye! | Nov 18 00:28 |
| wispygalaxy | make sure to watch the meteor shower! | Nov 18 00:28 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya goblin! | Nov 18 00:29 |
| _goblin | "make sure to watch the meteor shower!" - Ive watched the Trifids....I'll stay inside thanks! | Nov 18 00:29 |
| _goblin | stupid plants..... | Nov 18 00:29 |
| wispygalaxy | lol :) | Nov 18 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | its gonna be fun! it wont be too cold i hope | Nov 18 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | hey roy im leaving! | Nov 18 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | where are u?? | Nov 18 00:30 |
| schestowitz | No...........:-o | Nov 18 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I was just writing some posts | Nov 18 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah i have to :( | Nov 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz | OK | Nov 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Back tomrorow? | Nov 18 00:31 |
| wispygalaxy | maybe, i'll try | Nov 18 00:31 |
| wispygalaxy | lots of meetings | Nov 18 00:31 |
| wispygalaxy | for business clubs | Nov 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Cya then | Nov 18 00:31 |
| wispygalaxy | a guy from wells fargo is visiting | Nov 18 00:31 |
| yuhong | I wrote about GoDaddy, did you see them? | Nov 18 00:31 |
| wispygalaxy | also, there a fashion show on how to dress "business cool" | Nov 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes | Nov 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: tshirts are cool | Nov 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | comfy and all... ;-0 | Nov 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Keeping you cool, too | Nov 18 00:32 |
| wispygalaxy | yes they are | Nov 18 00:32 |
| wispygalaxy | i dont mind dressing up (or down) | Nov 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Nov 18 00:32 |
| yuhong | GoDaddy have a CEO with a radio show. | Nov 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | You gotta wear shiny things | Nov 18 00:32 |
| wispygalaxy | i have earrings for that! | Nov 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | "Be better than your fellow men" | Nov 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Raise their barrier to imitation | Nov 18 00:32 |
| yuhong | Famous for it's marketing too, some like it, some don't. | Nov 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Slutty | Nov 18 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | when i got my ears pierced, it was over before i realized what was happening lol | Nov 18 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Gurls doing provocative things for GoDaddy | Nov 18 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | heh | Nov 18 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | like the commercials | Nov 18 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | geez lol | Nov 18 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Ears don't need any more holdes | Nov 18 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Except for one for eardrums | Nov 18 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we should pierce more of our body to 'fit in' with fashion :-) | Nov 18 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Sure makes a living... for piercers | Nov 18 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Also, listen to dentists.... you must visit every 6 months [they say] | Nov 18 00:34 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister wanted 2 holes in her ear so badly, she got it finally when she was 16 | Nov 18 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Routine inspection... also for cars [say garages] | Nov 18 00:34 |
| wispygalaxy | all important dates | Nov 18 00:35 |
| *schestowitz has ears left in one piece | Nov 18 00:35 | |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Nov 18 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | my ears arent swiss cheese. 1 hole only | Nov 18 00:35 |
| schestowitz | WHat HAPPENED? | Nov 18 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | i got shot :( | Nov 18 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | twice, in each ear | Nov 18 00:35 |
| yuhong | I suggested visiting Radio GoDaddy, and Bob's vlog. | Nov 18 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Sorry to hear it | Nov 18 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | once in each ear i mean | Nov 18 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | awww thx roy | Nov 18 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | For a moment there I though it was a self-inflicted ritual of pain | Nov 18 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Womanhood :-) | Nov 18 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | nah, i did i t for fashion! | Nov 18 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah womanhood, w00t | Nov 18 00:36 |
| schestowitz | They can change fashion | Nov 18 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | i tend to stick with classic clothes | Nov 18 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | i shop smart | Nov 18 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Show you beatiful people(C) with pieces eyebrows and make you spend money on that :-p | Nov 18 00:37 |
| schestowitz | **beautiful | Nov 18 00:37 |
| schestowitz | *pierced | Nov 18 00:37 |
| wispygalaxy | my sisters love skinny jeans, they have them in blue and purple | Nov 18 00:37 |
| schestowitz | We can never have enough holes... or items like shoed | Nov 18 00:37 |
| schestowitz | *Shoes | Nov 18 00:37 |
| wispygalaxy | im not obsessed with shoes like some people | Nov 18 00:37 |
| schestowitz | If goalposts in fashion move, then we'll carry on 'saving the ecnonomy' | Nov 18 00:37 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, fashion will save the economy | Nov 18 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Not extraction | Nov 18 00:38 |
| wispygalaxy | our need to fit in makes us spend money | Nov 18 00:38 |
| oiaohm | And when you run out of ideas in fashion recycle a 50 year idea schestowitz | Nov 18 00:38 |
| schestowitz | At some point recycling may be required | Nov 18 00:38 |
| wispygalaxy | we have coupons to entice people :) | Nov 18 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Or cotton planted at the expense of food | Nov 18 00:38 |
| wispygalaxy | so there's no extortion | Nov 18 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Well.. | Nov 18 00:38 |
| schestowitz | There is actually... | Nov 18 00:38 |
| wispygalaxy | now the '80s is in style | Nov 18 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Ask the people in Vietnam who work for c50/day making the shirts | Nov 18 00:39 |
| wispygalaxy | my sisters want the retro t-shirts | Nov 18 00:39 |
| tessier | I know some of those people. They are thrilled to have rice to eat! | Nov 18 00:39 |
| wispygalaxy | when bohemian clothes were cool a couple years ago, they had lots of those | Nov 18 00:39 |
| tessier | They love us! | Nov 18 00:39 |
| schestowitz | As they say, "who cares if they do this for their bosses.... there's millions of them anyway" | Nov 18 00:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier: no sarcasm? | Nov 18 00:39 |
| wispygalaxy | bye everyone, im going now | Nov 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | The question is, why are these conditions created? | Nov 18 00:40 |
| tessier | Seriously. No sarcasm. | Nov 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Unless they import all their rice, they could do without | Nov 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Ah | Nov 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | OK | Nov 18 00:40 |
| tessier | They are living better than they ever have before. It's all they know. | Nov 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I did though you were serious there | Nov 18 00:40 |
| tessier | It still sucks by our standards. | Nov 18 00:40 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya tessier, oiaohm, roy, tony | Nov 18 00:40 |
| tessier | By not for them. | Nov 18 00:40 |
| tessier | wispygalaxy: adios | Nov 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I guess there are those who obey and those who learn why it happens | Nov 18 00:40 |
| wispygalaxy | ciao! | Nov 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | o/ | Nov 18 00:41 |
| wispygalaxy | bye bye :D | Nov 18 00:41 |
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| wispygalaxy | peace out! | Nov 18 00:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat is "Large Technology Company of the Year" http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2655825/ | Nov 18 00:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu One Music Store Seen as Added Value Possibility http://ur1.ca/fwo7 http://ur1.ca/g0id | Nov 18 00:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New Reviews of #Ubuntu 9.10 and #Kubuntu 9.10 http://ur1.ca/g0ij http://ur1.ca/g0il | Nov 18 00:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Gets Closer to Canonical / #Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/fwje | Nov 18 00:49 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/hellads_phase_iv_contracts/ Weapons are getting insane. | Nov 18 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Between this and metal storm we almost have all the weapons that make up the mechwarrior universe. All me now need is the mech. | Nov 18 00:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux-powered Crunchpad is Real and It is Coming http://ur1.ca/g0is | Nov 18 00:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] An #EBook Reader Freer Than #Kindle and Also Linux Based http://www.siriusit.co.uk/blogs/16-nov-2009/truly-revolutionary-mashups | Nov 18 00:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Tablet Runs #Android (Linux) http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/13/hikari-to-unleash-iframe-android-tablet-on-japan-video/ | Nov 18 00:58 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: gotta keep that industry justfying r&d money | Nov 18 00:59 |
| schestowitz | They have lobbyists | Nov 18 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Fear mongering = contracts = $$ | Nov 18 00:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Subnotebooks with #GNU #Linux Looking in Good Shape http://ur1.ca/g0jn http://ur1.ca/g0jo | Nov 18 01:09 | |
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| oiaohm | Sub 100 dollar mark is hard to MS. | Nov 18 01:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Update on #FreeSoftware in #Kerala http://ur1.ca/g0li | Nov 18 01:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] lol. Zune is coming to the UK! http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1904330 #zune #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #windows7 #fail | Nov 18 01:37 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, it is | Nov 18 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Intel more so | Nov 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Thus Atom | Nov 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and Moblin | Nov 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Can Moblin be used for some ARM? | Nov 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | That would be precious | Nov 18 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Moblin can run on arm. | Nov 18 01:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just when you thought you'd never see something as cringe worthy as Windows 7 party ads http://tinyurl.com/y8baugx #microsoft #zune #fail | Nov 18 01:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Who says Microsoft is evil? Certainly no-one Ive met.. Microsoft acts like any other company acts, to make money. Thats not evil. | Nov 18 01:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] To put that last tweet in context, http://bit.ly/WUrE3 | Nov 18 01:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MPAA in PR Disaster After Attack on Public, 99% False Positives http://ur1.ca/g0mj http://ur1.ca/g0mk | Nov 18 01:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Musicians Experience Renaissance (More Money) in Internet Era http://techdirt.com/articles/20091114/1835036932.shtml | Nov 18 02:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mainstream Press Waking Up To The News That Musicians Are Making More Money | Techdirt .::. Size~: 108.09 KB | Nov 18 02:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopoly Under Attack from Multiple Angles http://mises.org/daily/3864 http://ur1.ca/fxks | Nov 18 02:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Does Evil with #SoftwarePatents http://ur1.ca/g0n0 http://ur1.ca/g0n1 http://ur1.ca/g0n2 | Nov 18 02:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Groklaw Shows How the #GPL Defends the Freedom of Software http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091116121914292 | Nov 18 02:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Accused of Lying by Chair of Denmark's Standards Committee http://ur1.ca/g0nu #ooxml #corruption | Nov 18 02:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell's de Icaza Promotes iPhone, Wii, Other Proprietary Nonsense http://www.the-source.com/2009/11/the-future-of-moonlight/ | Nov 18 02:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Shows It Deliberately Neglects Security http://blogs.fsfe.org/hugo/?p=119 http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8506 | Nov 18 02:19 | |
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| oiaohm | http://abovethecrowd.com/2009/10/29/google-redefines-disruption-the-%E2%80%9Cless-than-free%E2%80%9D-business-model/ MS people will no like this. | Nov 18 02:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Redefines Disruption: The “Less Than Free†Business Model « abovethecrowd.com .::. Size~: 274.25 KB | Nov 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Google is entering the product dumping game. | Nov 18 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, seen it | Nov 18 02:34 |
| schestowitz | It's a business model | Nov 18 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Added value | Nov 18 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Give something away, build something around it | Nov 18 02:35 |
| schestowitz | FOSS does that too, CC also | Nov 18 02:35 |
| schestowitz | That's OK | Nov 18 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has weak base for this... that's why they want the ad market so badly. | Nov 18 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Could be the killer blow to closed source in the embed market. | Nov 18 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe, let's hope so | Nov 18 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Its really the same stunt repeated. | Nov 18 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Netscape vs Internet explorer schestowitz | Nov 18 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | Netscape was dead a long time before they dropped | Nov 18 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | Communicator 4.x was the worst browser around at the time | Nov 18 02:42 |
| oiaohm | IE was not great either DaemonFC | Nov 18 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but it didn't crash as much | Nov 18 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | supported style sheets to come extent | Nov 18 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't mean I used it | Nov 18 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather drop down to using Lynx than put up with IE or Netscape around that point in time | Nov 18 02:45 |
| cubezzz | lots of other choices, but I still use lynx | Nov 18 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Think that the giving away for free has held the crap IE brower in place(Ok fake free but hey) DaemonFC | Nov 18 02:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC revisonism | Nov 18 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Nothing new here | Nov 18 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft admitted imitating the better browser | Nov 18 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | at first | Nov 18 02:51 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft used APIs to penalise Netscape | Nov 18 02:51 |
| schestowitz | So to say it was heavy or unstable is idiotic | Nov 18 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | but then Netscape had firings and the whole AOL deal, and split their development off to a rewrite | Nov 18 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was found guilty also of sabotage | Nov 18 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | IE quickly gained the lead, Netscape never recovered | Nov 18 02:51 |
| schestowitz | BN has copies of exhibits about it | Nov 18 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hid APIs | Nov 18 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla eventually started having some success by itself as another organization | Nov 18 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apple hid APIs in OS X much more recently | Nov 18 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | they allowed Safari to perform better than any other browser on OS X | Nov 18 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Apple got hit for that as well DaemonFC | Nov 18 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lengthy article by a Mozilla programmer on the effort to reverse engineer undocumented OS X API that was holding Firefox back | Nov 18 02:53 |
| oiaohm | MS used illegal and price to win the IE vs Netscape war. | Nov 18 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | so when Apple does it, it's not illegal? | Nov 18 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla programmers have the skilled to do that from the Netscape case against MS. | Nov 18 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't see the EU or any US Attorneys go after Apple for the same damned thing | Nov 18 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Apple settled DaemonFC | Nov 18 02:53 |
| cubezzz | not a monopoly | Nov 18 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's still anti-competitive | Nov 18 02:54 |
| cubezzz | not that I'm defending Apple | Nov 18 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Released the documentation. | Nov 18 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | there should be some law against the behavior | Nov 18 02:54 |
| oiaohm | MS refused to release the docs DaemonFC | Nov 18 02:54 |
| oiaohm | So court case was required to level the field. | Nov 18 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | so did Apple | Nov 18 02:54 |
| oiaohm | No when the apis were found apple did say sorry and release the docs. | Nov 18 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, eventually Microsoft was ordered to, and Apple's got reverse engineered | Nov 18 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | the difference is that I believe Apple will do it again, more likely than Microsoft doing it again | Nov 18 02:55 |
| cubezzz | the browser in LFS is fast, faster than anything else I've seen | Nov 18 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Both are likely todo it again DaemonFC | Nov 18 02:55 |
| cubezzz | except for text only of course | Nov 18 02:55 |
| oiaohm | The key is how hard they fight when they are caught DaemonFC | Nov 18 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Apple in browsers when caught not documenting functions for everyone to use is fairly straight forward. | Nov 18 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Now try to get Apple to document itunes interface. | Nov 18 02:57 |
| oiaohm | its like trying to get MS to be nice to open source on the Xbox360. | Nov 18 02:58 |
| oiaohm | Our freedoms from Iphones Xbox360s .... Are slowly being taken away. | Nov 18 02:58 |
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| DaemonFC | you're free to not buy one | Nov 18 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like you need one to live | Nov 18 02:59 |
| cubezzz | no, you don't have to use xbox (ugh) or Iphone | Nov 18 03:00 |
| cubezzz | lots of choices now | Nov 18 03:00 |
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| oiaohm | Its the gradual take away of freedom. | Nov 18 03:02 |
| oiaohm | How long before to bank you would have to use them. | Nov 18 03:02 |
| oiaohm | How would you prove if they had be time bombed or the like to make you replace them. | Nov 18 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Lot of battery packs for laptops these days are timebomb. Have a counter on the battery pack once number is reached battery pack stops. | Nov 18 03:04 |
| cubezzz | I use firefox for my online banking, no problems | Nov 18 03:05 |
| cubezzz | we have more freedom now :) | Nov 18 03:06 |
| oiaohm | At this stage cubezzz. | Nov 18 03:06 |
| oiaohm | Freedom has to be protected. | Nov 18 03:06 |
| oiaohm | The day you stop protecting it you lose it. | Nov 18 03:07 |
| cubezzz | yes that's true | Nov 18 03:07 |
| cubezzz | there is still room for improvement | Nov 18 03:08 |
| cubezzz | launched my CD, made with all Linux tools | Nov 18 03:09 |
| cubezzz | learned a ton about online music sites | Nov 18 03:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Moonlight and #Mono Not #GNU #Linux Projects Anymore http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/17/iphone-monotouch-moonlight-mono-purpose/ | Nov 18 03:18 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: since when is Apple a role model? | Nov 18 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | they're not, it's just that nobody ever does anything about them | Nov 18 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | how much of a usage share do you have to get before you can be found guilty of abusing your customers? | Nov 18 03:27 |
| cubezzz | 51% | Nov 18 03:27 |
| ender2070 | ms has 87% | Nov 18 03:27 |
| cubezzz | yeah you can't equate Apple with Microsoft | Nov 18 03:28 |
| ender2070 | mmmm windows 6.1 and opera DaemonFC | Nov 18 03:28 |
| cubezzz | can you tell which browser I'm using? :) | Nov 18 03:29 |
| ender2070 | your not using it for irc | Nov 18 03:29 |
| ender2070 | 76 mhz> | Nov 18 03:30 |
| cubezzz | yes, but I did mention firefox above :) | Nov 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | what is that | Nov 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | oops | Nov 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | 551.76mhz | Nov 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | p3? | Nov 18 03:30 |
| cubezzz | dual p3 | Nov 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | nice | Nov 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | the tyan? | Nov 18 03:30 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | CTCP-VERSION reply from DaemonFC: Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; U; en) Presto/2.2.15 Version/10.01. | Nov 18 03:31 |
| cubezzz | doze alert! doze alert! ;-) | Nov 18 03:32 |
| cubezzz | yeah I got the dual in 1998 | Nov 18 03:33 |
| cubezzz | it was badass back then :) | Nov 18 03:33 |
| cubezzz | still learning new stuff about konsole | Nov 18 03:35 |
| cubezzz | just realized I can move the tabs around | Nov 18 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627073623608456 | Nov 18 03:36 |
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| cubezzz | ctrl-shift-left and right | Nov 18 03:36 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Nov 18 03:44 |
| cubezzz | nite schestowitz | Nov 18 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I like Opera | Nov 18 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | what's your point? | Nov 18 03:48 |
| ender2070 | its interesting | Nov 18 03:50 |
| ender2070 | vista or win7 | Nov 18 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | 6.1 is Windows 7 | Nov 18 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | Vista was 6.0 | Nov 18 03:51 |
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| cubezzz | LFS uses seamonkey | Nov 18 04:05 |
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| cubezzz | LFS live cd makes a good rescue disc | Nov 18 04:06 |
| cubezzz | actually LFS is rather fat | Nov 18 04:08 |
| cubezzz | there's another distro which is only 10 megs in size | Nov 18 04:09 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux | Nov 18 04:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tiny Core Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 33.97 KB | Nov 18 04:11 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/DELL-Windows-Professional-Service-reinstallation-recovery/dp/B0029SOTBC/ref=pd_sim_sw_1 | Nov 18 04:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Amazon.com: DELL OEM Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 3 (SP3) reinstallation recovery CD: Video Games .::. Size~: 366.32 KB | Nov 18 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | Someone selling OEM recovery CDs | Nov 18 04:14 |
| cubezzz | is that allowed? | Nov 18 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 18 04:15 |
| ender2070 | $9.50 | Nov 18 04:15 |
| ender2070 | cheapest xp there is | Nov 18 04:15 |
| cubezzz | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090323#feature | Nov 18 04:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 99.56 KB | Nov 18 04:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Tech Weekly getting sloppy or run out of new content? The same spoonfed piece was played a little while back http://tinyurl.com/yjmp2v8 | Nov 18 04:17 | |
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| cubezzz | blu-ray blargh | Nov 18 04:30 |
| ender2070 | blue ray has potential for data | Nov 18 04:33 |
| ender2070 | imagine, debian on one disk | Nov 18 04:34 |
| cubezzz | ahem, I believe I just mentioned tiny core ;-) | Nov 18 04:35 |
| ender2070 | full debian is 5 dvds | Nov 18 04:39 |
| ender2070 | you missed the joke | Nov 18 04:39 |
| ender2070 | 1 blue ray disk | Nov 18 04:39 |
| cubezzz | is that with all the source? | Nov 18 04:39 |
| ender2070 | probably | Nov 18 04:42 |
| cubezzz | that's like the opposite of tiny core :) | Nov 18 04:42 |
| ender2070 | yeah lol | Nov 18 04:43 |
| cubezzz | DSL seems dead now | Nov 18 04:43 |
| cubezzz | that's why the guy made tiny core | Nov 18 04:44 |
| ender2070 | i might grab tiny core sources | Nov 18 04:50 |
| ender2070 | build on it | Nov 18 04:50 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.haiku-os.org/ | Nov 18 04:58 |
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| cubezzz | did you change isps recently ender2070? | Nov 18 05:20 |
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| ender2070 | im not home | Nov 18 05:24 |
| tessier | me neither | Nov 18 05:25 |
| ender2070 | http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/ | Nov 18 05:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Plan 9 from Bell Labs .::. Size~: 4.79 KB | Nov 18 05:29 |
| ender2070 | even smaller | Nov 18 05:29 |
| ender2070 | and more usefull | Nov 18 05:29 |
| cubezzz | 80 megs is smaller? | Nov 18 05:32 |
| cubezzz | still, it looks interesting enough to check out | Nov 18 05:34 |
| ender2070 | well theres a floppy image | Nov 18 05:34 |
| ender2070 | but at least the 80mb gets you a lot | Nov 18 05:35 |
| ender2070 | for the cd image | Nov 18 05:36 |
| cubezzz | I'll burn it and give it a go :) | Nov 18 05:39 |
| cubezzz | btw the bz expands to 290 megs | Nov 18 05:42 |
| ender2070 | eww | Nov 18 05:43 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 18 05:43 |
| ender2070 | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3926 | Nov 18 05:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: New KDE Live-CD Release Brings Back Desktop Functionality | kdedevelopers.org .::. Size~: 23.83 KB | Nov 18 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | Blu Ray won't last | Nov 18 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | the HVD will replace it | Nov 18 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | I see Blu Ray as having 5 years left to live | Nov 18 05:44 |
| cubezzz | those stone dvds look interesting, I would if you can actually buy them | Nov 18 05:46 |
| cubezzz | would=wonder | Nov 18 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | the more they push DRM, the less popular Blu Ray will be | Nov 18 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | DVD is easily copied or played back and doesn't require any fancy expensive TVs or cables to enable mandatory DRM | Nov 18 05:48 |
| cubezzz | booting plan 9... | Nov 18 05:50 |
| cubezzz | or not, hmmm | Nov 18 05:51 |
| cubezzz | ELCR: 0A28 | Nov 18 05:51 |
| cubezzz | ok, I guess it's time to try tiny core :) | Nov 18 05:52 |
| cubezzz | consumer grade electronics basically suck | Nov 18 05:53 |
| cubezzz | it's designed to be replaced every 4 years or so | Nov 18 05:54 |
| cubezzz | booting tiny core.... | Nov 18 06:01 |
| cubezzz | tiny core ftw :) | Nov 18 06:01 |
| cubezzz | wow, that's fast | Nov 18 06:02 |
| cubezzz | I don't think there's any browser, but still, I'm impressed so far | Nov 18 06:08 |
| cubezzz | LFS and Plan 9 wouldn't even boot on this other box | Nov 18 06:09 |
| cubezzz | ok, I can download and run seamonkey which is pretty good | Nov 18 06:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: #IGF09 mobile phone ban today. So much for freedom of expression. Hope this gets more tweets than the poster #censorship | Nov 18 06:57 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Completely #NSFW 8bit animation http://ur1.ca/g16f | Nov 18 07:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Importing 50G into a mysql cluster is taking many hours! I suspect index abuse. | Nov 18 07:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | everyone else is paying the pirates | Nov 18 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | we shoot a few of them and you haven't heard anything else about Americans being taken hostage | Nov 18 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | they know that everyone else pays up, and we'll just shoot them | Nov 18 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20091118_In_the_Nation.html | Nov 18 08:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: In the Nation | Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/18/2009 .::. Size~: 106.64 KB | Nov 18 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | "A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops on the roots of the clergy sex-abuse scandal found no evidence that gay priests were more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest children, the study's lead authors said yesterday." | Nov 18 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | Translation: Catholic church tries to fish for more reasons to tell you to hate gays, ends up proving that a higher percentage of straight people molest kids | Nov 18 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | whoops | Nov 18 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | someone forgot to cook the books on that one I guess | Nov 18 08:38 |
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| cubezzz | ok Plan 9 is just too weird | Nov 18 09:12 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pts_lenvik_iqc&num=1 Boy the bench getting touchy. | Nov 18 09:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EIF Scrutinised, #ODF Evolves, and Microsoft’s #OOXML “Lies” Lead to Backlash http://ur1.ca/g1e3 | Nov 18 09:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #Search Endeavours: Resorting to Bribery, Deception, and Intimidation http://ur1.ca/g1fx | Nov 18 10:24 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/The-war-on-file-sharing-hits-Australia/0,139023769,339299541,00.htm Some how it would be good if they win this. | Nov 18 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | Who? The MAFIAA? | Nov 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz | I like how they wrote "file sharing" and not "piracy" | Nov 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz | But the article is bad. | Nov 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz | "sstealing copyrighted content"... | Nov 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz | You can't steal content | Nov 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's physical | Nov 18 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | You can duplicate content, sure | Nov 18 10:42 |
| oiaohm | http://www.afact.org.au/ Its older than the USA MAFIAA | Nov 18 10:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Moodle Enters OU, Flinders University Sells Young People to #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/academic-institutions-lockin/ | Nov 18 10:47 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.mpa-i.org/contactus.html The grid of them schestowitz | Nov 18 10:48 |
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| oiaohm | The war against copyright breaching started in the Australia before the USA schestowitz | Nov 18 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Mostly to cut of system crackers funding. | Nov 18 10:50 |
| oiaohm | System crackers attempting to kill the PM of Australia at one point. | Nov 18 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie the fact ones are not exactly like the MAFIAA. They have a valid reason cut of orgonised crime. | Nov 18 10:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kappos treats software authors as inventors: "young people find new ways to write software in a school computer lab" http://i5.be/TB | Nov 18 10:58 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/18/2745765.htm somethimes Australian goverment people speek there mind. | Nov 18 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: here we have BPI | Nov 18 11:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Revisionism and Moles in Land of the Fee http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/microsoft-is-buying-a-pass/ #google | Nov 18 11:57 | |
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| amarsh04 | care for some warm weather? 43 C in Adelaide tomorrow, 47 C in Port Augusta tomorrow | Nov 18 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: winter up here in this hemisphere | Nov 18 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Let's swap for an hour | Nov 18 12:33 |
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| oiaohm | Look where Adelaide is schestowitz | Nov 18 12:44 |
| oiaohm | You really don't want to swap schestowitz | Nov 18 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Adelaide is a location where you can get four seasons in 1 day. | Nov 18 12:44 |
| oiaohm | In summer. | Nov 18 12:44 |
| oiaohm | So 43 to 47 C while day light is up. And minis something when sun goes down schestowitz | Nov 18 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Its between desert and sea. Nasty place to be schestowitz | Nov 18 12:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple ’s Latest Evil Software #Patent , #Microsoft Breaks the Law Again http://ur1.ca/g1pm | Nov 18 12:46 | |
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| schestowitz | What's this talking point about? http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=222 | Nov 18 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | Recently I saw a lot of people using "9.10" to claim bad things about Linux as a whole | Nov 18 12:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: don't say "nasty place".... amarsh04 is here. | Nov 18 12:51 |
| schestowitz | I knew a women from Perth who went to the same gym as me | Nov 18 12:51 |
| oiaohm | I have been there in summer. schestowitz I know first hand. | Nov 18 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Here is Linux trashing from an ASP site whose whole design of a Windows ad: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/160664,my-life-with-linux-the-daily-ups-and-downs-of-switching-to-open-source.aspx | Nov 18 12:52 |
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| oiaohm | You get use to being home before sunset or having large coats in backpack schestowitz | Nov 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | I find it hilarious that they don't even hide where their money comes from and what technology they favour | Nov 18 12:52 |
| oiaohm | The temp change in adelaide is fast. Its basically change in direction of wind schestowitz | Nov 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: sounds like Mars. Maybe amarsh04 is a marsian :-) | Nov 18 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Basically if you are not use to it. You get into trouble fast schestowitz. | Nov 18 12:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are no martians! | Nov 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz | "a mars h" | Nov 18 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | life on mars doesnt exist! | Nov 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz | We can change that by sending Madoff to the surface of Mars | Nov 18 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | then there will be no intelligent life on mars | Nov 18 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Just send him into Mars' orbit, the gravity will take care of the rest and there will be life on Mars | Nov 18 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im pretty sure the martians would complain | Nov 18 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | argh, there are no martians! | Nov 18 12:55 |
| oiaohm | You would be caught out if they are like nano machines Diablo-D3 | Nov 18 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: there are no martian nanomachines either | Nov 18 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Some day in the future people will find biological compounds on Mars | Nov 18 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: time travel also does not exist | Nov 18 12:56 |
| schestowitz | After DNA tests and matching with police DB they will conclude that Earth was created by Martians who had planted/seeded Earth with Madoffs ;-) | Nov 18 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | and people will not be living on mars in 2200 | Nov 18 12:56 |
| schestowitz | They could | Nov 18 12:56 |
| schestowitz | If climate was changed | Nov 18 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Time travel of informaton is still up in the area of maybe maybe not. | Nov 18 12:57 |
| schestowitz | If we put our mind to it.... but not sustainable for long | Nov 18 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Time travel of solids not going to happen. | Nov 18 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Atmosphere and oxygen 50 times thinner | Nov 18 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Thinking Mars at one point could have had a lot thicker Atomosphere and water. | Nov 18 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Venus is too hot though. What's the temperature like in Mercury? | Nov 18 12:58 |
| oiaohm | We might luck out and find a dead martian. | Nov 18 12:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: an observer some centuries back saw Mars as having many rivers from poles. He was wrong | Nov 18 12:59 |
| schestowitz | I think it was this Dutch/German guy with a telescope | Nov 18 12:59 |
| schestowitz | There was sci-fi about it nonetheless | Nov 18 12:59 |
| oiaohm | The poles contain a lot of froson water and co2 and other things schestowitz on mars. | Nov 18 12:59 |
| schestowitz | The fantasy of more life in the Solar system was more alive before | Nov 18 12:59 |
| oiaohm | If melted it would have a thicker atmosopher. | Nov 18 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Why do we need another planet? | Nov 18 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Most likely was melted when sun was burning a little hotter. | Nov 18 13:00 |
| schestowitz | It hardly buys us more time | Nov 18 13:00 |
| schestowitz | We still stay stuck in the same solar system | Nov 18 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Venus we could in theory live in upper atomosphere. | Nov 18 13:00 |
| schestowitz | And we're less able to live in planets we did not evolve in | Nov 18 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Now if there are any native creatures on Venus they would be darn tough. | Nov 18 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Mars and the moon are most likely the two safest to set up home on near by without risking too nasty of creatures. | Nov 18 13:02 |
| oiaohm | And conditions that risk killing us. | Nov 18 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | Major issue with Mars and Moon if we do setup a base there. It mostly would be a one way trip. | Nov 18 13:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/digital_identity_strategies/ | Nov 18 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | LOL "specimen" | Nov 18 13:04 |
| oiaohm | The low gravity with time would weaken our bone structures. | Nov 18 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Hey, why not design bacteria to live in these conditions? | Nov 18 13:05 |
| schestowitz | THen seed it | Nov 18 13:05 |
| oiaohm | That could be done to venus. | Nov 18 13:05 |
| schestowitz | If you can accumulate enough knowledge in a lab maybe you can test bacteria under some conditions simulated to be like in other planets | Nov 18 13:06 |
| oiaohm | To bind up suffer and other bad things. | Nov 18 13:06 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to create it from scratch | Nov 18 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Mutuate DNA of existing bacteria from Earth | Nov 18 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Then let it evolve elsewhere | Nov 18 13:06 |
| oiaohm | And hope you don't get it wrong | Nov 18 13:06 |
| oiaohm | And cover the location in flesh eating bacteria that likes eating its way threw protective suits. | Nov 18 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Teraforming with bacteria would have its risks. | Nov 18 13:07 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing to gt wrong | Nov 18 13:08 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing to lose | Nov 18 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Headline typo: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Researcher-Demonstrates-SSL-Vulnerability-on-Twitter-291904/ | Nov 18 13:09 |
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| oiaohm | There is when you take into account that in theory a rock hitting one of those places could send a rock with the bacteria on to earth. | Nov 18 13:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] may i say that if you're going to promote silly semidisposable toys, @maplintweet is definitely the way to do it | Nov 18 13:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Acacia patent troll attacks General Electric for "a system for storing and accessing medical images" http://i5.be/TD | Nov 18 13:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] HOWTO: put your blog behind a paywall for News International http://shkspr.mobi/blog/?p=1134 | Nov 18 13:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman clarifies a joke http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/richard-stallman-clarifies-a-joke/ | Nov 18 13:21 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: many planets hit one another... rocks... asteroids | Nov 18 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | The reason we have so many elements like metals here is collisions | Nov 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | People tend to assume stuff was just *here* | Nov 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | But the history of the galaxies is turbulent | Nov 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | So we're getting more new material every time some comet falls here, maybe bringing something other than more water to Earth's gravity | Nov 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz | One day Earth too will be blown off and end up somewhere else in pieces | Nov 18 13:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-google-chrome-os-arriving-this-week--650427 | Nov 18 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070 probably installed http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2009/fedora-12.html by now | Nov 18 13:28 |
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| ender2070 | yes | Nov 18 13:32 |
| schestowitz | [Interesting. I made almost no posts yesterday and still 7265 UIPs that day. I guess it doesn't matter much.] | Nov 18 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/11/linux-bug-1-bad.html | Nov 18 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | Does Windows actually have decent documentation? Other than some literature people have scarce access to? | Nov 18 13:38 |
| MinceR | they don't do 'decent' | Nov 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it's not them, either | Nov 18 13:40 |
| schestowitz | It's some puppets like Ed Bott and Preston Gralla who write "books" | Nov 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | So in a way they are like Microsoft workers, just peripheral | Nov 18 13:41 |
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| oiaohm | On somethings MS has very good documentation. | Nov 18 13:41 |
| oiaohm | But you have to pay for it schestowitz | Nov 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Good s/w hardly need documentation | Nov 18 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Nov 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | "Documentation" is what you do when you don't know what to do | Nov 18 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Blender conf recently good example of it. | Nov 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | API documentation is one thing | Nov 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | ANother is intuition | Nov 18 13:42 |
| oiaohm | program is massively powerful. | Nov 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Tutorial might help | Nov 18 13:43 |
| oiaohm | People want examples and guides how to get the most out of its features. | Nov 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Not sure it qualifies as "documentation" | Nov 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, for software that evolves fast docs run out of date | Nov 18 13:43 |
| MinceR | there is no 'intuition' when it comes to software | Nov 18 13:43 |
| MinceR | there's only what you already know and what you can learn. | Nov 18 13:43 |
| oiaohm | it does qualify as a section of documentation schestowitz. | Nov 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: real-life metaphors | Nov 18 13:43 |
| MinceR | it's a deceptive metaphor | Nov 18 13:43 |
| oiaohm | There is such things are intuition. | Nov 18 13:43 |
| oiaohm | With some applications. | Nov 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | In Mac OS, you put the CD in the trash when finished :-) | Nov 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Unmount :-) | Nov 18 13:44 |
| oiaohm | They have well embed docs. | Nov 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Like in real life | Nov 18 13:44 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | You take the CD ROM drive and bin it | Nov 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if it's the same in OS X | Nov 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | WHen I used OS 9 for a while it was like that | Nov 18 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Old Mac OS was designed by putting it infront of kids that knew nothing about computers. | Nov 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what about tooltips? | Nov 18 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Give them no manuals. | Nov 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Context/docs inside the GUI? | Nov 18 13:45 |
| oiaohm | And see if they could use it. | Nov 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | KDE3 had TONS of it | Nov 18 13:45 |
| oiaohm | tooltips still have to be written schestowitz | Nov 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | I could figure out what checkbox did because of good tooltips | Nov 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | No need to books of F1 | Nov 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: and man files | Nov 18 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Issue is most coders are not good at writing english. | Nov 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: that's marketing speak | Nov 18 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Or at least normal human understandable english. | Nov 18 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Its true schestowitz. | Nov 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Many programmers can talk too, not just write, well... structured languages of instructions | Nov 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Don't let them demote us as human beings | Nov 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers love doing this to "ordnary people" | Nov 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Patronise others for "knowing the law" (which is a man-made set of texts) | Nov 18 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Over time working with stuff complex over time it becomes a habit of using it with out known in schestowitz | Nov 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz | And look at the Grauuniad poscast | Nov 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz | They deliberately send out markleting people | Nov 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz | People who don't understand jargon | Nov 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Same with OOXML meetings | Nov 18 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Lot of open source world need editors. | Nov 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Send communicators to avoid technical discussion about what actually matters and counts | Nov 18 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Ie people to check what coders write as tool tips and simplerfy were required. | Nov 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft introduced people to the GUI....." | Nov 18 13:48 |
| oiaohm | It will most likely come. | Nov 18 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Linux for years did not have enough normal general users to get a popluation of these doc fixes. | Nov 18 13:49 |
| MinceR | well, judging by crApple's decision to remove the second mouse button because allegedly users checked which button they were pressing by looking there, they must have used retarded kids. | Nov 18 13:49 |
| oiaohm | No MinceR. If you go back apple tried from 1 to 5 button mice. | Nov 18 13:50 |
| oiaohm | They decide on 1 because a person without training could pick it up and use it. | Nov 18 13:50 |
| MinceR | you can tell they were aiming for people who couldn't tell their index finger from their middle finger | Nov 18 13:50 |
| MinceR | the only question i'd ask is why do these people need a computer? | Nov 18 13:51 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 18 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Old OS 9 supports a 5 button mouse. Just most applciations on apple are not coded for it. | Nov 18 13:51 |
| MinceR | and just the hardware doesn't support it either | Nov 18 13:51 |
| MinceR | and probably neither does the HIG | Nov 18 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Nov 18 13:52 |
| MinceR | (which is a bunch of bullshit btw) | Nov 18 13:52 |
| MinceR | not exactly true? so apple mice had not exactly 1 button then? | Nov 18 13:52 |
| oiaohm | I know from using photoshop and other things on there. | Nov 18 13:52 |
| oiaohm | You could either press the 1 buttion mouse and a key on keyboad to convert it to the second key. | Nov 18 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Or you could use a mouse with more buttons. | Nov 18 13:53 |
| MinceR | if you had one, that is | Nov 18 13:54 |
| oiaohm | The interface using annoying shift keys of a mac supports 4 buttion mouse and that leaves the 5 definable. | Nov 18 13:54 |
| oiaohm | No you could plug in a MS mouse on a apple adaptor MinceR | Nov 18 13:54 |
| MinceR | and at least some of the time they used their own proprietary keyboard/mouse interface | Nov 18 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Nop. | Nov 18 13:54 |
| MinceR | if not, what was the adaptor for? :> | Nov 18 13:54 |
| oiaohm | The coverter existed from the first apple mouse MinceR | Nov 18 13:54 |
| MinceR | btw, using an adaptor must be really intuitive in Cupertino | Nov 18 13:55 |
| MinceR | it sure as hell isn't in the rest of the world :> | Nov 18 13:55 |
| oiaohm | They were orderable world wide but most people with macs did not know the existed. | Nov 18 13:56 |
| oiaohm | So never knew what the full apple interface was configured to support. | Nov 18 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Remember whole apple symbol and whole apple symbol mouse button combinations. | Nov 18 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Opps second whole/the oppserit. | Nov 18 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Those are mouse buttion 2 and 3 MinceR | Nov 18 13:57 |
| MinceR | lol, now you're saying it was configured to support it | Nov 18 13:58 |
| oiaohm | It was | Nov 18 13:58 |
| oiaohm | The setup from the time of testing of the interfaces was still there MinceR | Nov 18 14:00 |
| oiaohm | I have not tested OS X to see if it still is there. | Nov 18 14:00 |
| oiaohm | I know OS 9 apples still had it. | Nov 18 14:00 |
| oiaohm | All you need was the adaptor to take a normal serial mouse I think mouse systems to connect onto the Apple keyboard/mouse port. | Nov 18 14:02 |
| oiaohm | And hello extra buttons. | Nov 18 14:02 |
| MinceR | and then they kept on saying how much easier it was than PCs :> | Nov 18 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Now really would you want to be running photoshop having to press key on keyboard in combiantion with mouse button or just have extra mouse buttions MinceR | Nov 18 14:05 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't want to be running photoshop, actually | Nov 18 14:05 |
| MinceR | and i wouldn't want to be wasting electricity on a crApple product | Nov 18 14:05 |
| oiaohm | For a learner taking away extra buttons is good. | Nov 18 14:05 |
| MinceR | no, it isn't | Nov 18 14:06 |
| oiaohm | At first it is. | Nov 18 14:06 |
| MinceR | and then later it's worse | Nov 18 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Once they get use to the basics add the buttons back in. | Nov 18 14:06 |
| MinceR | also, if someone can't tell his index finger from his other fingers, he probably isn't going to learn anything | Nov 18 14:06 |
| oiaohm | That is how apple was design but they shot it with there marketing. | Nov 18 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically is a myth that OS 9 and down I know for sure were single mouse button systems only. | Nov 18 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Same stunt was used to emulate 5 buttion mice on Unix from a 3 button mouse. | Nov 18 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Or 2 button. | Nov 18 14:08 |
| MinceR | well, crApple certainly didn't support using more than 1 button | Nov 18 14:10 |
| MinceR | even with the "mighty" (lol) mouse they've made the extra "button" unusable | Nov 18 14:11 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse Really MinceR | Nov 18 14:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple Mighty Mouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 71.04 KB | Nov 18 14:13 |
| MinceR | yes, i tend to know what i'm talking about :> | Nov 18 14:15 |
| oiaohm | the issue they did support multi button mice. | Nov 18 14:15 |
| oiaohm | I did not say it was nice support. | Nov 18 14:15 |
| oiaohm | No cording was ever supported. | Nov 18 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Most presume limits that don't exist you are no different here MinceR. | Nov 18 14:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 18 14:16 |
| MinceR | yeah, let's just ignore what the HIG and the apps support | Nov 18 14:17 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_chording << That limit applied. | Nov 18 14:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mouse chording - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 22.58 KB | Nov 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | and what hw is officially provided | Nov 18 14:17 |
| oiaohm | HIG its happend to map into it. | Nov 18 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Apple button + mouse button. | Nov 18 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Commonly used it. | Nov 18 14:17 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/15008807 | Nov 18 14:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tuna (supertunaman) 's status on Wednesday, 18-Nov-09 14:15:21 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.07 KB | Nov 18 14:18 |
| oiaohm | The connect to connect up serial mice of a particular types was offical hardware as well MinceR. | Nov 18 14:18 |
| oiaohm | I guess you never saw one so never had a clue that apple supported upto 5 buttons and 3 of those buttons were maped to keyboard + mouse button actions MinceR . | Nov 18 14:20 |
| oiaohm | So perfectly inside the HIG. | Nov 18 14:20 |
| schestowitz | tessier: supertunaman is a flatfish | Nov 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | * trmanco I meant | Nov 18 14:21 |
| trmanco | lol | Nov 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I've seen many notices from that account... it's a troll IMHO | Nov 18 14:22 |
| trmanco | flatfish | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 18 14:22 |
| trmanco | ? | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Just a comparison | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | It's not him | Nov 18 14:22 |
| trmanco | oh, "a" | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | But he makes FSF-hostile remarks | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | with the !fsf group | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I jumped the gun | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Later on (a month ago) it seemed like he was new and just trying to understand what was going on | Nov 18 14:23 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: COLA seems inrecognisable | Nov 18 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Have a look, I see no replies to trolls | Nov 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | It's very refreshing | Nov 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we should all add to a pleasant discussion | Nov 18 14:25 |
| oiaohm | I know so much about apples because I worked at an assist tech on them for a while. | Nov 18 14:25 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Miguel de icaza: Future of moonlight http://www.the-source.com/2009/11/the-future-of-moonlight/ ( yes, RMS named him correctly ) #linux | Nov 18 14:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Future of Moonlight .::. Size~: 17.81 KB | Nov 18 14:26 |
| oiaohm | There is a place for cloning techs like Moonlight and .net | Nov 18 14:28 |
| oiaohm | But it should not be done in a way that puts companies at patent risk. | Nov 18 14:28 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so let's hear how "intuitive" mouse button+apple key is. :> | Nov 18 14:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: /which/ companies? Not Miguel's employer | Nov 18 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Even employers (plural) | Nov 18 14:29 |
| schestowitz | He's in CodePlex now | Nov 18 14:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Macs are friendly in their own way, but so is KDE | Nov 18 14:30 |
| schestowitz | KDE justb doesn't make so much noise (marketing) about it | Nov 18 14:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Now why were video editing people and picture editing people ordering the apple converter with the dec alpha workstation compadible mice if it was fine | Nov 18 14:31 |
| oiaohm | I like the old pucks that shiped with a lot of dec's. | Nov 18 14:31 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Nov 18 14:32 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: macs might be friendly to idiots, but certainly not to me :> | Nov 18 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Round 3 buttoned and wheeled under them so no ball to clean. | Nov 18 14:32 |
| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Nov 18 14:32 | |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceR | Nov 18 14:32 | |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Nov 18 14:32 | |
| schestowitz | We need ops | Nov 18 14:32 |
| MinceR | ok | Nov 18 14:32 |
| MinceR | no more +r? | Nov 18 14:32 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Nov 18 14:33 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked odens from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Nov 18 14:33 | |
| oiaohm | You were not alone MinceR | Nov 18 14:33 |
| schestowitz | That's mutex ban-evading | Nov 18 14:33 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Nov 18 14:33 | |
| oiaohm | But you did not know that there was even a option for more working buttons with mac MinceR | Nov 18 14:33 |
| oiaohm | I did not say I liked mac MinceR | Nov 18 14:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no need for +r, the troll is being quiet, just looking for bait/dirt | Nov 18 14:34 |
| schestowitz | [14:32] <MinceR> schestowitz: macs might be friendly to idiots, but certainly not to me :> | Nov 18 14:34 |
| schestowitz | And elitist wannabes | Nov 18 14:34 |
| oiaohm | I do like having the means to mouse cord at times. | Nov 18 14:34 |
| schestowitz | They sell the image of "be better than your fellow man... buy a Mac" | Nov 18 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Just watch their ads | Nov 18 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Man in jeans patronising biz person | Nov 18 14:35 |
| schestowitz | That's the image they want associated with them | Nov 18 14:35 |
| schestowitz | So Apple fans are not snobs | Nov 18 14:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i still don't think that means they really _supported_ using multiple buttons | Nov 18 14:35 |
| oiaohm | X11 can mouse cord Windows can mouse cord. Apple bugger. | Nov 18 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Apple makes them like this | Nov 18 14:35 |
| schestowitz | It's Apple that tells them to be arrogant jerks | Nov 18 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Like some dictators | Nov 18 14:35 |
| schestowitz | "Go around... curse people in suits" | Nov 18 14:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it supported it unless you wanted to mouse cord | Nov 18 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't do that. | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | "You can afford it... cause HEY! You use a Macccc..." | Nov 18 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Think how often do you hold down more than 1 mouse button MinceR | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | [14:36] <oiaohm> Most people don't do that. | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | They don't /do/ that | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | They think that | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Suppressed emotion | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Elation | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | To some. | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Apple does not encourage buyers to be humble | Nov 18 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Not in its adverts/image anyway | Nov 18 14:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: only when i emulate the third button... and when i use opera i sometimes use its weird chord combos :) | Nov 18 14:37 |
| schestowitz | The marketing technique is one of selling privilege | Nov 18 14:37 |
| schestowitz | In KDE it's about selling freedom | Nov 18 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Feel "freers", more sophisticated | Nov 18 14:37 |
| oiaohm | So yep opera under mac for your with a multi button mouse would be teeth pulling MinceR | Nov 18 14:37 |
| schestowitz | You know ho else uses this marketing model? Loreal. "You're worth it!" | Nov 18 14:39 |
| oiaohm | remember apple gui design started with multi mouse buttons and reduced the nasty way. | Nov 18 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie take way 1 mouse button give combination + main mouse button to replace. | Nov 18 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Xerox GUI was 5 mouse buttons. | Nov 18 14:40 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: anything under mac would be teeth pulling for me | Nov 18 14:42 |
| MinceR | it's not designed to be used | Nov 18 14:42 |
| MinceR | it's designed to be a desk ornament that shows off how rich the owner is | Nov 18 14:42 |
| MinceR | (and they believe to show off how cool they are) | Nov 18 14:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: NSeries Nokias Say Goodbye to Symbian, Hello to Maemo http://bit.ly/1LOX5h resistance to the penguin is futile #nokia #linux | Nov 18 14:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: Access to online information and knowledge – advancing human rights and democracy: Achal Prabhala... http://bit.ly/3LAsph | Nov 18 14:44 | |
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| oiaohm | There was a time when normal PC were too wimpy for particular things and you were forced to use mac for them MinceR | Nov 18 14:45 |
| oiaohm | I lived threw that time MinceR | Nov 18 14:45 |
| MinceR | except that there were graphical workstations | Nov 18 14:46 |
| MinceR | also, i think you're confusing the mac with the lisa :> | Nov 18 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Price was way more than a Mac for a graphical Workstation. | Nov 18 14:47 |
| MinceR | but those were at least usable for real work | Nov 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz | wb, Omar87 | Nov 18 14:47 |
| oiaohm | So was the Mac after you added the multi button mouse from a dec workstation MinceR. | Nov 18 14:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hey, Thanks. | Nov 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... I hope Asay won't be insulted by my latest criticism. We're all basically on the same team with differing opinions, striving towards similar goals. It's still funny that some people accept no criticism, seeing it as hostility instead. | Nov 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: did you see RMS' reply to the attacks on him? | Nov 18 14:48 |
| MinceR | i doubt we're on the same team as asay | Nov 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz | He can't express opposite opinions to some | Nov 18 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Today I would not do it of course MinceR | Nov 18 14:49 |
| MinceR | rms' reply? url please :) | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | If he does, he'd be stalked, misinterpreted and then daemonised. He said he'd ignore the attacks so as not to give them attention | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he raised it in GNOME mailing lists | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | For the first time in fact | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | See latest post in BN | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/richard-stallman-clarifies-a-joke/ | Nov 18 14:49 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: attacks on who? | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | himself | Nov 18 14:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Matt Asay? | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | See above | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Asay is defending Microsoft again... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/microsoft-is-buying-a-pass/ | Nov 18 14:50 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Oh, sorry, | Nov 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Defending them for, well... breaking the law, then complying | Nov 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Asay also attacks RMS a lot | Nov 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | SInce 2006 at least | Nov 18 14:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Is he becoming De Icaza 2 :D | Nov 18 14:50 |
| Omar87 | ? | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | That's when I first spotted the cheap shots | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | They are polar opposites | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Asay publicly brags about him "flying first class" | Nov 18 14:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: lol | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | RMS flies coach to teach people about freedom | Nov 18 14:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: He's the De Icaza the second. :P | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: no, don't insult Asay by comparing him to de Icaza | Nov 18 14:52 |
| Omar87 | Di Icaza* | Nov 18 14:52 |
| schestowitz | OK, now it's just cursing | Nov 18 14:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: are they any different? | Nov 18 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Time to talk about single-trigger mice again | Nov 18 14:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Excuse me? | Nov 18 14:52 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, don't know if you have seen this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-orders-Microsoft-to-rb-1144743308.html;_ylt=A9G_Rt8LBgRLP5AAliq7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1cWNzZWJtBHBvcwM5BHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNjaGluYW9yZGVyc20-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode= | Nov 18 14:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: China orders Microsoft to halt some Windows sales - Yahoo! Finance .::. Size~: 82.83 KB | Nov 18 14:53 |
| Will_ | schestowitz: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029441,49304288,00.htm | Nov 18 14:53 |
| jose_X | it's an article about china becoming more assertive with IP | Nov 18 14:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Crave - UK Gadget and Technology Blog from CNET UK .::. Size~: 82.12 KB | Nov 18 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Apple thinks about avg users like this one http://www.mexned.nl/html/humour/bush_Computer_Help.jpg when designing a mouse | Nov 18 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: yes, like i4i | Nov 18 14:54 |
| schestowitz | It won't happen | Nov 18 14:54 |
| jose_X | all the US' patent scrap will eventually come back to bite it, at least to some degree.. the excuse of protecting the service economy is not a good excuse if the laws are horrible | Nov 18 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Will_: it's true that it's the old case about fonts | Nov 18 14:54 |
| schestowitz | It wasn't just Blizzard | Nov 18 14:54 |
| schestowitz | The China case goes a way back | Nov 18 14:54 |
| Will_ | Another Xbox failure study | Nov 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it several times | Nov 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | It's only the verdict that's new | Nov 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: they already drive away s/w innovation | Nov 18 14:55 |
| jose_X | The PC and Internet giveth.. | Nov 18 14:55 |
| jose_X | Patents taketh away. | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Xbox is just doomed anyway | Nov 18 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Lot of USA companies have offsored the R&D that is patent questionable jose_X | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is hastening the death | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | By banning its users | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | It saves them money | Nov 18 14:56 |
| oiaohm | So usa patent system is back firing on the USA already. | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | No users, no warranties | Nov 18 14:56 |
| Will_ | PS3 Slim is selling like hotcakes. | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: see TomTOm | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | They complained about patents | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Like half their budget was wasted on patent nonsense | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | But they are DUTCH | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Will_: yes | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Well, wait for Linux to run on ot... | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Though not in clusters | Nov 18 14:57 |
| oiaohm | xbox360 baning is party to kill the secound hand market | Nov 18 14:57 |
| oiaohm | That MS makes no money out of. | Nov 18 14:58 |
| jose_X | oiaohm, perhaps to some degree the companies can try to run forever moving around as countries get aggressive. | Nov 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat said something along these liens | Nov 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Red Hat can find peace in Europe | Nov 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | They already have EU-based employees like those former Mandriva devs | Nov 18 14:58 |
| oiaohm | jose_X: main thing is not having to pay out patents on the research work that you might never use or sell jose_X | Nov 18 14:58 |
| oiaohm | USA patent rules have no exceptions for R&D usage. | Nov 18 14:59 |
| jose_X | yes | Nov 18 14:59 |
| jose_X | or patents on manufacturing i guess | Nov 18 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Patents in Australia come into effect when you go into production. | Nov 18 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Not R&D. | Nov 18 15:00 |
| oiaohm | USA is one of the few countries that you have to pay patents for R&D work. | Nov 18 15:01 |
| MinceR | rotfl @ bush pic | Nov 18 15:01 |
| Will_ | Here's the way I see software patents: let's take books for an analogy (let me know if this example is flawed) Say Tolkien writes Lord of the Rings. Ok, so no one else can claim that particular story--that specific implementation of a fantasy story-- as theirs and sell it. That's ok. But software patents would be like Tolkien patenting the use of wizards in a story so that no one else could put a wizard in a story with | Nov 18 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Worse Will_ | Nov 18 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember tolkien did not invent wizards. | Nov 18 15:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] apache httpd: our vhost files are different per host (server/log names etc). they have diverged horribly. what is the correct way to manage? | Nov 18 15:03 | |
| schestowitz | Boycott Novell cited in ECT... http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68666.html?wlc=1258556485 | Nov 18 15:03 |
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| oiaohm | They would be prior art. So you would have to prove prior art exists to remove the patent and pay out money to the ones who registed the invalid patient to remove it Will_ | Nov 18 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Patent system stinks. | Nov 18 15:04 |
| oiaohm | A person who registed a invalid patent should be libable for the cost of its removal. And the system would work way better. | Nov 18 15:04 |
| Will_ | And under such a system, J.K. Rowling's works might never have been written. | Nov 18 15:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] (right now I'm hand-reconciling. but for future: parameterised httpd.conf? write in m4? how do others handle this undoubted commonplace?) | Nov 18 15:05 | |
| oiaohm | You know the patent process called evergreening Will_ | Nov 18 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Each patent lasts like 20 years | Nov 18 15:06 |
| oiaohm | At the end of 20 years you take out basically the same patent with a different wording. | Nov 18 15:06 |
| oiaohm | And keep on repeating the process. | Nov 18 15:06 |
| Azalyn | patents are just ridiculous. they claim it encourages innovation, but that is a lie. maybe it was true decades ago, but it sure isn't true today. | Nov 18 15:07 |
| oiaohm | If the system works it does Azalyn | Nov 18 15:07 |
| Azalyn | today, patents are used like WMDs | Nov 18 15:07 |
| oiaohm | It only works if creating invalid patents are punished. | Nov 18 15:07 |
| Azalyn | oiaohm: i fail to see a modern example of patents working. | Nov 18 15:08 |
| oiaohm | There are a few countries around the world where it works. | Nov 18 15:08 |
| oiaohm | They all have patent liablity in there laws. | Nov 18 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie you register invalid patent you are libable. | Nov 18 15:08 |
| Will_ | isn't FOSS's growth _despite_ patents enough to put the lie to the "patents spur innovation" argument? | Nov 18 15:08 |
| Azalyn | even in theory if some inventor makes something new, chances are some large company can implement their idea *anyways*, and then if the inventor tries to take the large company to court, the company can pull out a bunch of patents that the inventor violates. | Nov 18 15:08 |
| Azalyn | then your only choice is to sign a cross-licensing agreement. | Nov 18 15:09 |
| Will_ | s/despite/in spite of/ | Nov 18 15:09 |
| Azalyn | and after that, you're right back where you started, and the company has more money than you so it becomes a marketing war. one that the inventor will lose. | Nov 18 15:09 |
| Will_ | I'm not saying that all patents are bad, but software patents in particular make little sense to me. | Nov 18 15:09 |
| Azalyn | Will_: yes, but detractors say that FOSS doesn't innovate. heh | Nov 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | terms like "investors" are part of the propaganda | Nov 18 15:10 |
| Azalyn | they say the community just copies everything with 20/20 hindsight | Nov 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Most "inventors" just implement systems like everyone else | Nov 18 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Azalyn: some laws protect against that. | Nov 18 15:10 |
| Azalyn | schestowitz: investors? :P | Nov 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | for PR purposes some companies have "R&D" or :"research:" divisions | Nov 18 15:10 |
| Azalyn | was that a typo? | Nov 18 15:10 |
| oiaohm | You will find most of the WMD stock pile is invalid evergreened patents Azalyn | Nov 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: typo, sorry | Nov 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I write inventors as investors many times. Force of habit | Nov 18 15:11 |
| Azalyn | schestowitz: ah, ok. i was just a bit confused | Nov 18 15:11 |
| oiaohm | So punishment for invalid gets rid of that a lot Azalyn | Nov 18 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/10/sturtevant_out.html http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2009/10/09/microsoft_loses_tech_industry_veteran/ | Nov 18 15:11 |
| Azalyn | Will_: patenting molecules and genes is just as insane though, even more so. | Nov 18 15:11 |
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| oiaohm | Next one is value judgement and agreements by court only for multi patent agreements. | Nov 18 15:11 |
| jose_X | unless you are talking about inventions out of the reach of almost everyone, (eg, high costs), patents remove from the field of play huge chunks (esp as broad as they are). | Nov 18 15:12 |
| jose_X | how can not allowing the world to participate in an area for 20 years help? | Nov 18 15:12 |
| Azalyn | i live in canada. over here apparently it is illegal to patent math, but many companies get around it by claiming their software innovations alongside a hardware storage device or something. | Nov 18 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Makes it simple for large company to settle out single patents. | Nov 18 15:12 |
| jose_X | especially when most things would be discovered/invented anyway.. necessity is the mother of invention | Nov 18 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Apple got around it by making a physical circuit Azalyn | Nov 18 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Yep hardwired version. | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: in Philips they want to patent equations | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | By implementing them in s/w | Nov 18 15:13 |
| oiaohm | And the software is only emulation of the hardware Azalyn | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | See amicus brief for EBoA | Nov 18 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie apple font patents Azalyn | Nov 18 15:13 |
| Azalyn | i still think in canada that such bullshit could probably be defeated in court, but no one will try it. | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Matrix patents=maths | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Nov 18 15:14 |
| Azalyn | the hardware implementations of software i mean. | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | | What research is for, in cases like Microsoft, is status. It's a very tax | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | | efficient, with many valuable and wonderful side effects that occasionally | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | | benefit the company, but its primary task is marketing. It's proof, even in | Nov 18 15:14 |
| MinceR | do you think that's air you're breathing? :> | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | | these most distressingly modern of times, that patronage works. | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | `---- | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10238446-75.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Nov 18 15:14 |
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| trmanco | sad memories are coming to me again | Nov 18 15:15 |
| trmanco | :| | Nov 18 15:15 |
| Azalyn | have you guys been reading groklaw lately by the way? i can't believe PJ is taking apple's side in the psystar dispute. | Nov 18 15:15 |
| Azalyn | i mean to say that psystar never had a chance is one thing, but she's *taking* apple's side. | Nov 18 15:16 |
| jose_X | Having such powerful monopolies being handed out encourages those with lots of resources to waste them.. while those without the resources can't even collaborate and participate.. at least as patents are enforced. | Nov 18 15:16 |
| Azalyn | and saying that Apple's EULA nonsense is actually just. | Nov 18 15:16 |
| jose_X | pj wants people to respect licenses | Nov 18 15:17 |
| cubezzz | what, matrix quotes? lol | Nov 18 15:17 |
| jose_X | eulas | Nov 18 15:17 |
| jose_X | and if you want freedom.. | Nov 18 15:17 |
| jose_X | to stop giving apple your money | Nov 18 15:17 |
| Azalyn | I think she even likens it to stealing at one point... really disappointing. how is it stealing to BUY someone else's product and install it on whatever hardware you want. | Nov 18 15:17 |
| jose_X | ..Azalyn | Nov 18 15:17 |
| Azalyn | I don't use apple. | Nov 18 15:17 |
| Azalyn | I have never given them money for anything. | Nov 18 15:17 |
| Azalyn | Nor psystar. | Nov 18 15:17 |
| jose_X | well, i think her view is to accept the vendor's terms and conditions. | Nov 18 15:18 |
| MinceR | psystar proved that there's no protection against tying in the USA | Nov 18 15:18 |
| jose_X | generally.. | Nov 18 15:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2009/11/mil-091102-afps05.htm | Nov 18 15:18 |
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| Azalyn | those terms and conditions are not valid though. | Nov 18 15:18 |
| jose_X | perhaps | Nov 18 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: I ignore Groklaw's aricles on Apple | Nov 18 15:19 |
| Azalyn | the idea of copyright is to treat content as if it were a physical product. | Nov 18 15:19 |
| schestowitz | She's wasting valuable time, IMHO | Nov 18 15:19 |
| jose_X | but i think her point is not to do business with people that write them | Nov 18 15:19 |
| schestowitz | She would be better off analysing Linux/FOSS stuff | Nov 18 15:19 |
| jose_X | if people took that advice.. | Nov 18 15:19 |
| schestowitz | But she thinks this relates to GPL | Nov 18 15:19 |
| jose_X | the apple would rot. | Nov 18 15:19 |
| schestowitz | And that maybe it's a Microsoft drone attacking Apple | Nov 18 15:19 |
| jose_X | jobs would have to open up more or lose out | Nov 18 15:19 |
| MinceR | i say let m$ drones attack crApple | Nov 18 15:20 |
| MinceR | as long as those two attack each other, we're better off | Nov 18 15:20 |
| Azalyn | by those measures, an EULA is invalid. because if i buy a physical product, nothing prevents me from taking it apart and doing what i want with it, like an engine swap in a car or whatever... except that the warranty is now void. | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I guess... | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Google too | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Nov 18 15:21 |
| Azalyn | so software should not be different. if we consider it a part of the computer, then i should be able to take the part, and retrofit it into another machine. | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I have a post about it in my mail... | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > quote | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | from: billg | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | to: rupertm | Nov 18 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | subject: lets be partners and make lots of money | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Dear Rupert, | Nov 18 15:22 |
| Azalyn | the relation between EULAs and the GPL is a huge stretch i think. | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Those evil people at Google are stealing all your content, but I can | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | help you. Lets be 'partners' and Microsoft will give your material | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | exclusive priority on our upcoming Bing. All we ask in return is you | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | remove your content from Google and trash them in the press and | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | government. Of course once Google is defeated and Microsoft owns | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Internet search, we'll effectively own both you and your content, but | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | by then it'll be too late. And it isn't as if you are clever enough to | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | notice you being used as a stalking horse in out battle against | Nov 18 15:22 |
| Azalyn | i think she's grasping at straws. | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Google. It isn't the first time we played one 'partner' off against | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | another with empty sweet nothings.<purr of evil> | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | < unquote | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: I didn't read any of these carefully enough to know if/how it related to GPL | Nov 18 15:23 |
| Azalyn | she implies that if EULAs are destroyed, then so will the GPL. | Nov 18 15:24 |
| Azalyn | she's even implied i think, that there is a conspiracy to do so, and that someone was pulling the strings behind psystar for that purpose... :| | Nov 18 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | Symbian's main man jumped ship last month and now Nokia is moving Symbian phones to Linux | Nov 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: what about Microsoft's EULA? | Nov 18 15:30 |
| cubezzz | why would EULAs "be destroyed"? | Nov 18 15:32 |
| cubezzz | be destroyed by what? | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* "Fujitsu has to do some financial jujitsu" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/japanese_super_deal/ | Nov 18 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | I love it how Scott tries to portray Microsoft as "darth vader" in eyes on critics | Nov 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | This comes across like this | Nov 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | If someone doesn't like Intel and Microsoft, it's because they are star wars fans | Nov 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | This belittles the criticism | Nov 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | "Critics see Microsoft as 'eeeeeevil'" | Nov 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Us versus them | Nov 18 15:34 |
| cubezzz | I don't really like either :) | Nov 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | But for a person who is informed about the law to say "bribery is bad" is not OK... | Nov 18 15:35 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft is pretty evil though | Nov 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Cause he is just IrrationalHater(R) | Nov 18 15:35 |
| Azalyn | cubezzz: apparently, ruling that apple cannot prevent preinstalls on other boxes in their EULA, would destroy EULAs in general. | Nov 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | I love how words like fanbois also get used | Nov 18 15:35 |
| MinceR | what am i supposed to see an evil organization as? good? :> | Nov 18 15:35 |
| Azalyn | at least that seems to be PJ's implication. | Nov 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, no... you're like Bush :-) | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Crime is OK | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Love it with it | Nov 18 15:36 |
| Azalyn | what's this about symbian? | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it last week. | Nov 18 15:36 |
| Azalyn | is that a joke? | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | cirticising crime makes you bad person | Nov 18 15:36 |
| Azalyn | nokia can't possibly be moving to linux for all their phones :| | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Or "toxic" person | Nov 18 15:36 |
| MinceR | i don't get it | Nov 18 15:36 |
| MinceR | bush criticized crome or something? :) | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Obedient people who don't question corrupt authorities are rewarded | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Protestors belong in jail | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | They use their democracy 'too much;' | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Too much free speech is OK, as long as you use the right message :-) :-) | Nov 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Gratis speech :-) | Nov 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: the older phones reach EOL | Nov 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz | The new ones that are competitive use Maemo and some say they'll buy WebOS (Palm) as well | Nov 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz | I don't see what for... | Nov 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe patents... Nokia luuuurves patents | Nov 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz | It sued Apple for like a billion dollars | Nov 18 15:38 |
| Azalyn | the palm buyout was debunked from what i read | Nov 18 15:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/arm_android_place/ | Nov 18 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 18 15:39 |
| Azalyn | i hope palm stays independent | Nov 18 15:39 |
| schestowitz | ARM has unveiled a place where Android developers can help each other be Android developers. | Nov 18 15:39 |
| schestowitz | The chip designer calls this place The Solution Center for Android, boasting that "more than" 35 ARM-friendly developers have already joined the fun. | Nov 18 15:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 18 15:39 |
| Azalyn | I have a palm pre and love it. | Nov 18 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Does it work in any way with old Palm data? | Nov 18 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Like, could I use jpilot to move some data into WebOS? | Nov 18 15:40 |
| Azalyn | old apps? | Nov 18 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Does it support desktop Linux at all? | Nov 18 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: the pdbs | Nov 18 15:40 |
| schestowitz | PIM apps | Nov 18 15:40 |
| Azalyn | i never used older palm stuff, so i'm not sure. there is an emulator for old palmOS apps though. | Nov 18 15:41 |
| MinceR | webos spies on its users :> | Nov 18 15:41 |
| Azalyn | as for desktop linux, i haven't had any problems, then again i've connected it to my PC mostly to install homebrew | Nov 18 15:42 |
| schestowitz | The problem with Pre is that it drags a whole phone into it | Nov 18 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: so does our government | Nov 18 15:42 |
| Azalyn | MinceR: i heard about that, but if i can use google despite how much data they have about me... i figure i can deal with palm.. they seem to only gather statistics data | Nov 18 15:42 |
| Azalyn | similarly to google | Nov 18 15:42 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know it could run Palm OS apps. That would be useful | Nov 18 15:43 |
| schestowitz | I have some apps I've carried on Palm since 2002 | Nov 18 15:43 |
| Azalyn | although the whole "not telling people about it" part is kind of annoying | Nov 18 15:43 |
| Azalyn | schestowitz: the emulator is an app that you have to get separately. | Nov 18 15:43 |
| Azalyn | but it's out there. | Nov 18 15:43 |
| Azalyn | it's called "Classic" | Nov 18 15:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/sidekick_back_on_sale/ | Nov 18 15:44 |
| MinceR | Azalyn: you could use google through scroogle or tor, though | Nov 18 15:44 |
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| Azalyn | by the way, apart from wifi, all the hardware in the phone has foss drivers available. | Nov 18 15:44 |
| MinceR | Azalyn: and google search won't know your gps coordinates | Nov 18 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: is it gratis? | Nov 18 15:45 |
| Azalyn | some group is actually working on a bootloader, to get android and openmoko running on it. | Nov 18 15:45 |
| Azalyn | schestowitz: is what gratis? the drivers? yeah, they have a dev page with the source available for download, for no cost | Nov 18 15:45 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: Richard Stallman clarifies a joke - http://bit.ly/3azYN5 wonder why he only did it now? #rms !linux !emacs #women #virgin | Nov 18 15:46 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/fedora_12_launch/ | Nov 18 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Azalyn: no, the emulation app | Nov 18 15:47 |
| Azalyn | however, in that tarball, there are 3 binary modules, two of the three are modules that are foss but for some reason they didn't ship it that way in the tarball (the code is available elsewhere, i googled, the two modules are stock kernel modules i think) | Nov 18 15:47 |
| Azalyn | and the third one is the wifi. | Nov 18 15:47 |
| schestowitz | I also wonder if it'll sync w/ my desktops | Nov 18 15:47 |
| Azalyn | oh, the emulation app | Nov 18 15:47 |
| schestowitz | But again, it's plagued by a phone | Nov 18 15:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't want that s* | Nov 18 15:47 |
| Azalyn | actually i don't remember if it costs anything | Nov 18 15:47 |
| Azalyn | you have something against phones? :| | Nov 18 15:47 |
| schestowitz | My neighbour just got brain cancer and I couldn't help suggesting that this whole experiment with phones has yet to reveal its impact | Nov 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | In 20 years we can compare rates of brain cancer to 10 years ago | Nov 18 15:48 |
| Azalyn | you could just disable the modem if you're worried. | Nov 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: several somethings | Nov 18 15:48 |
| Azalyn | but honestly, all the science i've seen on the subject shows that there isn't much risk. | Nov 18 15:48 |
| Azalyn | and that background radiation levels are actually higher than cell phone traffic | Nov 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Apart from radiation it's an intrusion, a complexity, and surveillance tool | Nov 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Some people must have phones | Nov 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Most people needn't | Nov 18 15:49 |
| cubezzz | yeah I've never used a cell phone | Nov 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | If you're a plumber, then a phone is required to speak to clients | Nov 18 15:49 |
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| Azalyn | well, build a peer-to-peer anonymous wimax network then. | Nov 18 15:50 |
| Azalyn | :) | Nov 18 15:50 |
| Azalyn | problem solved | Nov 18 15:50 |
| cubezzz | there were plumbers before cell phones you know :) | Nov 18 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: http://www.parentsask.com/child-safety/cell-phones/cell-phones-do-they-cause-brain-cancer.html | Nov 18 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Check also the source of claims | Nov 18 15:50 |
| Azalyn | cubezzz: yes but they couldn't surf for porn online while on the job back then. | Nov 18 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Carriers have vested interests in junk science | Nov 18 15:51 |
| schestowitz | It's like "climate change", which is actually global warming (they try to change what it's called) | Nov 18 15:51 |
| Azalyn | it isn't their privately funded reports that i've read | Nov 18 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Or "greenhouse effect", which implies human intervention/role | Nov 18 15:51 |
| Azalyn | they changed what it's called because of people like my father who ask stupid questions like "why does the media keep talking about global warming when it's so cold outside even though it's summer! | Nov 18 15:52 |
| schestowitz | I just ask myself the obvious | Nov 18 15:52 |
| Azalyn | " | Nov 18 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Is there radiation or not? | Nov 18 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Nov 18 15:52 |
| wallc_ | I like that everyone else has cell phones these days, I can walk down the street talking to myself and no one notices anymore. :-) | Nov 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Is there emission or not from burning of fossil fuels? | Nov 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | So that's enough | Nov 18 15:53 |
| Azalyn | there is radiation everywhere. | Nov 18 15:53 |
| Azalyn | even without technology | Nov 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | TO deny it is dubious to me. "Moderate dozes" is a rather loves phrase | Nov 18 15:53 |
| cubezzz | that's true | Nov 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | "Yes,Microsoft has radiation, but now above the limits..." | Nov 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | "It's like saying, wine is good for you in moderate amounts" | Nov 18 15:54 |
| cubezzz | it is :) | Nov 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz | [--message brought to you by the vine yard] | Nov 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: what about the alcohol in it? | Nov 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz | It's a drug, a toxin | Nov 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz | You could eat grass for the nutrients in it, but it doesn't mean it's good for you | Nov 18 15:55 |
| schestowitz | There are other effects you can't quite factor in | Nov 18 15:55 |
| cubezzz | if you drink one glass of wine per day it will not harm you | Nov 18 15:55 |
| wallc_ | I hate to be like Daemon and just bust in on the conversation, but I'm feeling kind of happy right now... | Nov 18 15:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @abbe: !fortune: If your parents didn't have children...chanced are that you won't either. lol | Nov 18 15:56 | |
| MinceR | that " lol" at the end really breaks that | Nov 18 15:56 |
| cubezzz | anything in excess is bad | Nov 18 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Let's just say that grapefruit juice is likely better than wine | Nov 18 15:56 |
| cubezzz | ok, I don't even drink wine | Nov 18 15:57 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Nov 18 15:57 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: :-) | Nov 18 15:57 |
| Azalyn | i think even the human body generates extremely low amounts of radiation. | Nov 18 15:57 |
| wallc_ | I made a list of things to learn this week and have managed all but one of them...first on the list was figuring out how to get my IRC nick officially registered....I did it. I'm official now - lol | Nov 18 15:57 |
| wallc_ | yay! (I know, it's silly) | Nov 18 15:57 |
| cubezzz | eating pizza is bad, eating processed meat is bad | Nov 18 15:58 |
| Azalyn | radiation is not an unnatural thing, nor did the human body evolve to be vulnerable to small amounts. it is high amounts of it that can harm you. | Nov 18 15:58 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: why not with your surname, climber? | Nov 18 15:58 |
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| wallc_ | I also managed to get a friend's computer set up with Ubuntu and figured out how to set up XP in Virtualbox...Yay! | Nov 18 15:58 |
| wallc_ | I figured out how to get Flash working again in Firefox after a Karmic update killed it...yay! | Nov 18 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Azalyn: but people who studied the effect of phones and w-fi reaches negative conclusions about harmlessness of these | Nov 18 15:59 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: so Windows runs in windows | Nov 18 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Windows is an OK app | Nov 18 15:59 |
| Azalyn | there are biased individuals on both sides. | Nov 18 16:00 |
| schestowitz | It runs some old games and stuff, for people who need it | Nov 18 16:00 |
| schestowitz | And you can minimise the Windows app | Nov 18 16:00 |
| schestowitz | It's a rsource hog though | Nov 18 16:00 |
| cubezzz | I never thought windows was OK | Nov 18 16:00 |
| Azalyn | but the independently peer-reviewed evidence i've seen shows that the levels aren't high enough to be harmful | Nov 18 16:00 |
| schestowitz | The Vista app (VM) can drain over 2gb off your Linux box | Nov 18 16:00 |
| cubezzz | and don't get me started on windows 2 :) | Nov 18 16:01 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: it's OK for those needing it | Nov 18 16:01 |
| schestowitz | XP | Nov 18 16:01 |
| wallc_ | I'd never set up a virtual windows before, i was a little nervous. i had to try it out on my own machine first and that was sad because i swore i'd never put microsoft junk on it... | Nov 18 16:01 |
| schestowitz | And if it catching a virus you hit the close button and carry on with work (in LInux) | Nov 18 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I should really test Win98 in a VM...... | Nov 18 16:01 |
| wallc_ | anyway, i figured it out... | Nov 18 16:02 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if the CDs still work at all.. | Nov 18 16:02 |
| wallc_ | the last thing was to reinstall Kubuntu on another machine, and try to get familiar with kde. I'm still not sure i like kde, it was frustrating. | Nov 18 16:03 |
| schestowitz | If I install it in a VM it will probably have those desktop shortcuts by default, with Compaq's link to AOL modem "hot offers" and stuff | Nov 18 16:03 |
| wallc_ | <schestowitz> wallc_: why not with your surname, climber? | Nov 18 16:04 |
| wallc_ | (somebody else has it) | Nov 18 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Nov 18 16:08 |
| wallc_ | Didn't mean to disrupt the conversation, but I can't tell people around here about my computer struggles (and successes!) because they just roll their eyes and run away - lol | Nov 18 16:08 |
| schestowitz | So choose wallclimba | Nov 18 16:08 |
| wallc_ | I like the short version better | Nov 18 16:09 |
| wallc_ | sort of like "walle" only without the rust... | Nov 18 16:10 |
| wallc_ | *wall-e* | Nov 18 16:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Symbian RIP. Long Live Linux. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/nokia_symbian_nseries_cull/ | Nov 18 16:10 | |
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| wallc_ | I'm using chatzilla for the first time...not used to it yet. | Nov 18 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Are you still visiting Digg? | Nov 18 16:10 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: try konversation | Nov 18 16:11 |
| wallc_ | when i'm in the mood i visit digg...somebody has to nag at the trolls over there | Nov 18 16:11 |
| schestowitz | It automatically logs in and does other things | Nov 18 16:11 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: still troll-ridden in UNIX/Linux | Nov 18 16:11 |
| schestowitz | ? | Nov 18 16:11 |
| wallc_ | yes, but they're pretty lame these days | Nov 18 16:12 |
| wallc_ | actually, the worst ones are on Ubuntu forums. | Nov 18 16:12 |
| schestowitz | It's a police state here... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/home_office_interception/ | Nov 18 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | wallc_: yes, some people think that if it's called Ubuntu Forums, then everyone there is pro-Ubuntu | Nov 18 16:13 |
| schestowitz | How naive a thought | Nov 18 16:14 |
| wallc_ | well, astroturfing was at its peak when Win7 was released...holy cow! | Nov 18 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Mutex still comes here every day with a new nym... he's one of those who claim to be "curious" or "Adding balance" | Nov 18 16:14 |
| wallc_ | Yes, the "adding balance" thing was seen a lot on the Ubu-forums | Nov 18 16:15 |
| schestowitz | There's not much coverage of Vista 7 anyway.... a lot more idle... http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_7_Reality_Log | Nov 18 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | We should tell jono to start watching the forums and mod properly | Nov 18 16:17 |
| schestowitz | There are also the mono-microsoft boosters there | Nov 18 16:17 |
| schestowitz | And people who hate Linux like lis*** chaps | Nov 18 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Using the "Ubuntu Forums" to smear me and BN | Nov 18 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Then people from Microsoft (like TE Wong) point to "Ubuntu Forums" and say, "look, they don't like this guy in 'Ubuntu'" | Nov 18 16:17 |
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| wallc_ | i haven't seen any comments specific to BN on Ubu-forums, but there's definitely some unfriendly people there. But they aren't the majority, and most people there are good folks. | Nov 18 16:19 |
| wallc_ | to be honest, i don't think jono needs to do anything. these things seem to sort themselves out... | Nov 18 16:20 |
| wallc_ | if he did anything it would be seen as some sort of censorship. | Nov 18 16:21 |
| schestowitz | They already censor | Nov 18 16:22 |
| schestowitz | As for the trolls, they are imposters, not posters. They pretend to be Linux users | Nov 18 16:22 |
| schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/18/ubuntu-free-speech-zones/ | Nov 18 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | Why does he put names in tags? http://mono-nono.com/tag/miguel-de-icaza/ | Nov 18 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | I guess for Mono it makes sense | Nov 18 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I just have one for Novell and MS CEOs | Nov 18 16:24 |
| wallc_ | I had a conversation with jo shields oncee...it was a short one in the comments section of mono-nono, but i can't find it anymore | Nov 18 16:25 |
| wallc_ | (once) | Nov 18 16:25 |
| wallc_ | he wasn't very nice, but then he isn't very nice to anyone else either | Nov 18 16:26 |
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| jose_X | [Azalyn]>> well, build a peer-to-peer anonymous wimax network then | Nov 18 16:29 |
| jose_X | the spectrum should be divided up with a large chunk enabling this. | Nov 18 16:30 |
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| jose_X | ..is spread spectrum used at all, a little, much, today? (I haven't kept up).. btw, I live in US, but I guess this applies anywhere. | Nov 18 16:31 |
| jose_X | wallc_, if you register wall-e, you can log on using that one when you feel .. rusty. | Nov 18 16:32 |
| schestowitz | She left | Nov 18 16:33 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: see http://www.the-source.com/2009/11/convenient-fictions/ | Nov 18 16:33 |
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| jose_X | didn't notice.. was reading the backlog of comments quickly | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091117PD204.html | Nov 18 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Quickly, eh? :-) | Nov 18 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: if any of the comments if you are worthy of posting as articles, send them in | Nov 18 16:37 |
| jose_X | I posted a ton... | Nov 18 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Your comments are very much in line with the message of the site, almost 100% of the time | Nov 18 16:37 |
| jose_X | i think about that but i don't write with that in mind so i doubt it | Nov 18 16:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/business/media/16paywall.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss | Nov 18 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091117/1529536981.shtml | Nov 18 16:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Just Because People Say They'll Pay For Something, It Doesn't Mean They Will | Techdirt .::. Size~: 47.32 KB | Nov 18 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.globalpost.com/print/4593538 | Nov 18 16:41 |
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| ender2070 | the convenient fictions site *may* be using subliminals | Nov 18 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone know an amazing linux desktop video? | Nov 18 16:45 |
| jose_X | Someone posted this link: http://mises.org/daily/3864 | Nov 18 16:45 |
| ender2070 | "It’s a convenient fiction that a vocal minority[sic] within the open-source community believes Microsoft is the source of all evil in the technology world." | Nov 18 16:46 |
| jose_X | I think the result will be that harvard and similar schools will lose their status.. if that hasn't happened already.. or maybe this is just a bump along the road to the path mit took | Nov 18 16:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Firefox 3.6 Locks Out Rogue Add-ons http://bit.ly/45hlCw | Nov 18 16:46 | |
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| jose_X | of course, it wouldn't be out of the question to think that mit and harvard would take opposing views on something. | Nov 18 16:46 |
| jose_X | both like to lead and the schools lie about 1 mile apart. | Nov 18 16:46 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/gnu-linux-gaming/ But hey, they say Linux ain't for gamers | Nov 18 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Can anyone confirm the ogg works? | Nov 18 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | load average: 6.97, 5.24, 3.68 | Nov 18 16:57 |
| schestowitz | The server won't stream to my IP due to load | Nov 18 16:58 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Extreme Gaming on GNU/Linux (Video) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/gnu-linux-gaming/ | Nov 18 16:59 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2009/111209-net-buzz.html | Nov 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091113/1242366920.shtml | Nov 18 17:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Chicago Tribune Columnist: Hey You People Online With Opinions... Get Off My Lawn! | Techdirt .::. Size~: 74 KB | Nov 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/03/google-gets-serious-about-marketing-apps | Nov 18 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | What a way to spin it vs Google | Nov 18 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Rob Enderle is attacking Linux again | Nov 18 17:21 |
| schestowitz | "How Apple Trounced Nokia with the iPhone" | Nov 18 17:21 |
| ender2070 | there was a pdf used in the eu antitrust procedings which highlighted every heinous act of msft, i cant find it though | Nov 18 17:24 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, i just saw the ogg version of the 24 screen linux supercomputing quake game. | Nov 18 17:34 |
| jose_X | np | Nov 18 17:34 |
| trmanco | jose_X: where? | Nov 18 17:44 |
| jose_X | trmanco, schestowitz wanted someone to "confirm the ogg works" http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/gnu-linux-gaming/ | Nov 18 17:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: In full: The Queen's Speech http://notnews.today.com/2009/11/18/in-full-the-queens-speech/ | Nov 18 17:59 | |
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| trmanco | thanks | Nov 18 18:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Busiest session yet - Ubuntu One Music Store! http://bit.ly/22u3Wy | Nov 18 18:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Specs/LucidUbuntuOneMusicStore - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 17.99 KB | Nov 18 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Hey, jose_X | Nov 18 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Sorry I was distracted there for a while. Thanks for checking the ogg. Server's busy all the time, almost no idle time, so it denies service to some people like me, ogg in this case | Nov 18 18:06 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: how about ECIS? | Nov 18 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Is that it? | Nov 18 18:06 |
| schestowitz | It's similar to Comes Petition. | Nov 18 18:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Music bought in the Ubuntu One music store will have no DRM! Bitrates will vary on labels. #fb | Nov 18 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | Here's the Netscape item: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/15/microsoft-fresh-attacks-on-javascript/ | Nov 18 18:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ubuntu partnering with an as yet unnamed company to bring the music store to Ubuntu. #fb | Nov 18 18:07 | |
| schestowitz | ender2070: the one you're looking for is almost surely this one, as HTML (Scroll down): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/11/microsoft-odf-promise-of-interoperability/ | Nov 18 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | Mailrant from Noveller: http://ostatic.com/blog/doing-notmuch-to-fix-email | Nov 18 18:12 |
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| cubezzz | and did they keep that promise? | Nov 18 18:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Partners will have channels to get music _in_ to the store | Nov 18 18:13 | |
| cubezzz | I'm guess no :) | Nov 18 18:15 |
| schestowitz | You're guessing right, but it was rhetorical | Nov 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft just uses more PR, it would seem... | Nov 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | They have just lost a PR rep | Nov 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Calld Samji [sic] | Nov 18 18:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] No current plans to get audio books into the ubuntu one music store | Nov 18 18:18 | |
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| ender2070 | schestowitz - ty, thats exactly what I was looking for | Nov 18 18:50 |
| ender2070 | also, http://www.zotero.org/ seems useful | Nov 18 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | "iPlayer forum and Linux .." | Nov 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I posted in the iPlayer forum and mentioned Ubuntu and Knoppix. Bother | Nov 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | references were removed. I wonder is this policy. Post there and see | Nov 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | what happens ... | Nov 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbiplayer/ | Nov 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 18 18:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] put your face on the apple website | Nov 18 18:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] put your face on the apple website ! http://www.stefanoforenza.com/custom-itunes-page-generator/ | Nov 18 18:53 | |
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| schestowitz | Officer 'abused Iraqi prisoners' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8362200.stm | Nov 18 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | China's role on world stage is no cause for alarm, says Barack Obama http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/obama-japan-china-visit | Nov 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | "The TSA says you can't carry a snow-globe onto a plane, even if it fits in your freedom baggie, because they can't measure how much liquid it contains, and therefore it must contain more than three oz of potential explosive, um, water." http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/14/tsa-bans-snowglobes.html | Nov 18 19:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: TSA bans snowglobes. TSA, meet Archimedes. - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 215.58 KB | Nov 18 19:03 |
| cubezzz | lol | Nov 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | They should ban people too | Nov 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | We contain lots of water content... over 90% | Nov 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Er could overeat baked beans and then suffer spontaneous combustion in an aircraft | Nov 18 19:06 |
| ender2070 | rofl | Nov 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: can you find me a video of F12 that's really a "wow"? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcxMw | Nov 18 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find something that can be used as "marketing" | Nov 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I want Mac users to go like "wow" when they see videos of GNU/Linux... that's a yardstick to go by, I think :-) | Nov 18 19:09 |
| cubezzz | yes, the world has room for improvement | Nov 18 19:12 |
| cubezzz | but at least there are tons of free operating systems | Nov 18 19:13 |
| cubezzz | GNU/Linux, the BSDs, Plan 9 (although Plan 9 is weird) | Nov 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Linux beats OS X at performance, again | Nov 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macosx106_ubuntu910_final&num=1 | Nov 18 19:14 |
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| cubezzz | Tiny Core boots in like 3 seconds | Nov 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | "Ubuntu 9.10 (with the 32-bit and 64-bit wins being added together) had won about ten of the sixteen benchmarks in this Mac OS X vs. Ubuntu Linux comparison. Mac OS X 10.6.2 though had a particularly strong advantage in the heavy computational tests like Crafty, the ray-tracing benchmarks, and PostgreSQL." | Nov 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I boot in like 3 months [once in] | Nov 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Guess who from Novell goes to this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4578 | Nov 18 19:16 |
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| cubezzz | I don't look at Microsoft news very much | Nov 18 19:19 |
| cubezzz | I check out http://linuxdevices.com fairly often though | Nov 18 19:20 |
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| ender2070 | schestowitz - what can i use to record a video of my desktop? | Nov 18 19:22 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - ill make one | Nov 18 19:22 |
| cubezzz | "record my desktop" is pretty good | Nov 18 19:23 |
| ender2070 | cool ty | Nov 18 19:26 |
| cubezzz | vnc screen recorder, never tried that though | Nov 18 19:26 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, I posted a comment here http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1562231/patent-lawyers-understand-software titled "Bad laws don't last forever" | Nov 18 19:28 |
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| jose_X | If you want, you can pull something from it the next time you do a piece on software patents. | Nov 18 19:29 |
| jose_X | btw, it didn't come out right, but the first line [Les] ... is a quote of something "Les" said earlier in the thread. | Nov 18 19:31 |
| cubezzz | xvidcap also | Nov 18 19:32 |
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| tessier | supertunaman is a flatfish eh? They must be swimming upstream from usenet to IRC for pathetic attempts at spawning. | Nov 18 19:35 |
| schestowitz | tessier: no, it's not him | Nov 18 19:36 |
| schestowitz | In COLA, some people use "a flatfish" to describe a type of person. I didn't know this either | Nov 18 19:36 |
| tessier | But it is also a particular person isn't it? | Nov 18 19:37 |
| cubezzz | ogv ftw | Nov 18 19:37 |
| tessier | A particular kind of person known for living under bridges. Any other such person might now also be referred to as a flatfish I suppose. | Nov 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | I use gtk-recordmydesktop | Nov 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | like su | Nov 18 19:37 |
| cubezzz | time to make some leet ncurses video :) | Nov 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | tessier: also a fish that sucks up dirt from seafloors | Nov 18 19:40 |
| tessier | ah | Nov 18 19:40 |
| cubezzz | mudraker :) | Nov 18 19:40 |
| tessier | Kinda like a catfish. | Nov 18 19:40 |
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| tessier | Bottom-feeder. | Nov 18 19:40 |
| schestowitz | tessier: But maybe I'm wrong about the guy in identica. He's not always negative | Nov 18 19:40 |
| trmanco | bah | Nov 18 19:40 |
| trmanco | opera is so slow :| | Nov 18 19:40 |
| schestowitz | tessier: the trolls evacuated COLA | Nov 18 19:40 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what h/w? | Nov 18 19:41 |
| trmanco | ? | Nov 18 19:42 |
| trmanco | hardware? | Nov 18 19:42 |
| trmanco | my hardware | Nov 18 19:42 |
| trmanco | where all the other browsers runs extremely fast... | Nov 18 19:42 |
| trmanco | this must be the slowest browser right after IE 8 | Nov 18 19:43 |
| trmanco | as I said the only thing it gets right is the scrolling | Nov 18 19:43 |
| trmanco | it's always smooth | Nov 18 19:43 |
| cubezzz | seamonkey seemed pretty fast | Nov 18 19:44 |
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| ender2070 | I made a video | Nov 18 19:58 |
| ender2070 | encoding | Nov 18 19:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazon uses Linux, adds DRM, then makes Kindle WIndows-only... shame. http://lifehacker.com/5406505/run-kindle-for-pc-in-linux-with-wine | Nov 18 19:58 | |
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| cubezzz | yeah well there are alternatives to kindle | Nov 18 19:59 |
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| ender2070 | like ocular | Nov 18 20:02 |
| schestowitz | KDE? | Nov 18 20:02 |
| trmanco | oops | Nov 18 20:02 |
| trmanco | look at this | Nov 18 20:02 |
| trmanco | "General enhancements include improved desktop search, better privilege escalation, remote controllable Plasma widgets and more polish to the existing code base. " | Nov 18 20:02 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: a fellow CAian does all the KDE4 videos... | Nov 18 20:03 |
| schestowitz | [Aaron] | Nov 18 20:03 |
| trmanco | "better privilege escalation"? | Nov 18 20:03 |
| ender2070 | Aaron? | Nov 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Fedora 12 GNOME uses a dreary theme | Nov 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: we need more kde4 videos | Nov 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Seigo and some Dutch guy do most of them | Nov 18 20:04 |
| ender2070 | i just made one | Nov 18 20:04 |
| ender2070 | i use kde4/fedora12 | Nov 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Liquidat (Roland) uses to do a few | Nov 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | If you sent me URL to the Ogg I can embed it | Nov 18 20:04 |
| ender2070 | Aaron Seigo is Canadian? | Nov 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | BC IIRC. He moved recently | Nov 18 20:05 |
| ender2070 | oh nice | Nov 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | trmanco will also come back to Canada soon | Nov 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | He's having time in the sun | Nov 18 20:05 |
| ender2070 | you can refer to us as canucks for short instead of CAian | Nov 18 20:05 |
| ender2070 | sounds better | Nov 18 20:05 |
| trmanco | yes | Nov 18 20:05 |
| trmanco | I wish to be there before my 20th birthday | Nov 18 20:06 |
| ender2070 | i just had my 25th yesterday | Nov 18 20:06 |
| trmanco | oh | Nov 18 20:07 |
| trmanco | happy birthday then | Nov 18 20:07 |
| trmanco | better late than never :-P | Nov 18 20:07 |
| ender2070 | :) | Nov 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://m.pocket-lint.com/news/news.phtml/29617 | Nov 18 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Open-source-software-needs-marketing-/articleshow/5224608.cms | Nov 18 20:36 |
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| Roy | Hey ROy | Nov 18 21:33 |
| Roy | Its me MrF | Nov 18 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 18 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Why did you choose my name? | Nov 18 21:34 |
| Roy | Sid might have you for second, you need to get it together, this could be the beginning of the end! | Nov 18 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 18 21:34 |
| schestowitz | It's just a game | Nov 18 21:34 |
| Roy | My name was a ctually ROy thr runner up! lol | Nov 18 21:35 |
| Roy | it IS just a game ROy, you need to relax about it | Nov 18 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Naa... | Nov 18 21:35 |
| schestowitz | The more important thing is here | Nov 18 21:35 |
| schestowitz | You could help us out | Nov 18 21:35 |
| Roy | are you going to the christmas meal, me and greg are and hopefully joey too! | Nov 18 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, 'Roy' | Nov 18 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Mike, no, but thanks. | Nov 18 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It was OK in previous years, but nothing special | Nov 18 22:32 |
| schestowitz | SOme new girls there sometimes | Nov 18 22:32 |
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| _goblin | hi Roy! | Nov 18 22:36 |
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| wallc_ | was it something we said? | Nov 18 22:41 |
| wallc_ | :) | Nov 18 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Why? | Nov 18 22:43 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: "Roy" is a mate of mine, don't know why he's messing with nicknames, pulling my legs | Nov 18 22:44 |
| _goblin | ah... | Nov 18 22:47 |
| _goblin | I was actually meaning you anyway...I never saw the handle Roy! | Nov 18 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna make some posts later. Today was a a weird day | Nov 18 22:49 |
| _goblin | youre telling me.... | Nov 18 22:50 |
| _goblin | just come back from work....its no saner at home either... | Nov 18 22:50 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Nov 18 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Lads yelling? | Nov 18 22:51 |
| _goblin | Im currently messing with my browser and watching Agent Oso with my little-un who's woken up with a temper to rival that of Ballmer... | Nov 18 22:51 |
| _goblin | if he could throw chairs, he would. | Nov 18 22:52 |
| _goblin | mind you Agent Oso has calmed him down a bit. | Nov 18 22:52 |
| _goblin | Im thinking of putting a shoutbox onto my blog..... | Nov 18 22:55 |
| _goblin | or at least something similar... | Nov 18 22:55 |
| _goblin | might be a little fun.... | Nov 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | BTW: | Nov 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | You said you had done some Python | Nov 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Are you a dev? | Nov 18 22:55 |
| _goblin | Ive looked at python, dabbled a little, destroyed alot... | Nov 18 22:55 |
| _goblin | I mostly left my coding days behind with the A500 | Nov 18 22:56 |
| _goblin | Im in a different line of work now... | Nov 18 22:56 |
| _goblin | I mess with C++ | Nov 18 22:56 |
| _goblin | sometimes.. | Nov 18 22:56 |
| _goblin | but never have the enthusiasm to finish an idea... | Nov 18 22:57 |
| _goblin | asm is my love but thats mostly on 68k.... | Nov 18 22:58 |
| _goblin | and the little work Ive done on the PC demoscene was mostly cracktro type intro's....of not much relevance to app dev. | Nov 18 22:59 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-t5745-and-HP-t5325/ Arm chips now appearing thin clients. | Nov 18 23:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: HP spins ARM- and Atom-based thin clients - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 63.67 KB | Nov 18 23:03 |
| _goblin | Roy, I am trying to find some shoutbox type code which I will modify....if its any good I'll let you have a look at it.... | Nov 18 23:08 |
| _goblin | after I am sure it won't destroy anything (like my last effort did) | Nov 18 23:08 |
| oiaohm | http://www.techspot.com/news/37012-microsoft-reveals-first-internet-explorer-9-details.html Nice that the video don't work. | Nov 18 23:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft reveals first Internet Explorer 9 details - TechSpot News .::. Size~: 38.14 KB | Nov 18 23:09 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no backups? | Nov 18 23:10 |
| oiaohm | That will put pressure on Mozilla guys to get Cairo working in firefox. | Nov 18 23:11 |
| _goblin | I attempted google caching baack the data | Nov 18 23:11 |
| _goblin | but it messed the timeline up.... | Nov 18 23:11 |
| _goblin | ....sounds like something only Dr Who could help with.... | Nov 18 23:12 |
| _goblin | lost about 30 posts in the end... | Nov 18 23:12 |
| oiaohm | http://shoutbox.sourceforge.net/ << This? So there mailing list not archived on sf ? | Nov 18 23:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Webfroot Shoutbox .::. Size~: 2.11 KB | Nov 18 23:13 |
| _goblin | I think Ive got my DE looking quite sweet! http://www.twitpic.com/px2st | Nov 18 23:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Shot from Karmic (9.10) its Gnome loveliness... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.18 KB | Nov 18 23:13 |
| _goblin | off topic random fact (and maybe Roy can challenge this if my source is wrong) | Nov 18 23:15 |
| _goblin | it is biologically impossible for a son to be shorter than his mother when he is fully grown... | Nov 18 23:15 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: wow. No backup? | Nov 18 23:15 |
| _goblin | no.. | Nov 18 23:16 |
| _goblin | never thought the need would arise... | Nov 18 23:16 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no, not impossible | Nov 18 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Why would it? | Nov 18 23:16 |
| oiaohm | IT people are some of the worst for not doing backups. | Nov 18 23:16 |
| schestowitz | There are too many factors in genes and nutrition | Nov 18 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Faith in data recovery skill. | Nov 18 23:16 |
| schestowitz | The body doesn't do height maths | Nov 18 23:17 |
| _goblin | it was a feature on the radio about how they know which children will make good basketball players and which ones to invest in. | Nov 18 23:17 |
| _goblin | I think it was Talksport. | Nov 18 23:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I got sloppy for HDD backups | Nov 18 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | I backup to two HDDs maybe twice a week | Nov 18 23:17 |
| schestowitz | used to be daily | Nov 18 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: radio says a lot of rubbish | Nov 18 23:18 |
| oiaohm | _goblin: the australian instute of sport has a video on that | Nov 18 23:18 |
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| oiaohm | How particular body shapes suit particular sports. | Nov 18 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Funny... kids as "investments" | Nov 18 23:18 |
| _goblin | yeah for training.... | Nov 18 23:19 |
| oiaohm | When it comes to the instute of sport each person taken there can cost over 500 million in training costs | Nov 18 23:19 |
| oiaohm | It is not cheep. | Nov 18 23:19 |
| _goblin | the only reason I thought there was some truth in it was that I could not think of an example in my family where it wasnt true. | Nov 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMikqwHwBKE | Nov 18 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Its not worth having a person who due to physical limits will never be great. | Nov 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | You can also see my comment there at the top :-0 | Nov 18 23:20 |
| _goblin | I won't play.... | Nov 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: your desktop will fall over if you rely on this rail | Nov 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Your "box" | Nov 18 23:21 |
| _goblin | it won't play (the youtube vid) | Nov 18 23:21 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Looks pretty nice though doesnt it? | Nov 18 23:21 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: and of course BN IRC has pride of place on the right hand side of the shot! | Nov 18 23:22 |
| oiaohm | What country are you in _goblin | Nov 18 23:22 |
| _goblin | uk | Nov 18 23:22 |
| _goblin | bedfordshire | Nov 18 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Ok so you cannot get the australian instute of sport video. | Nov 18 23:23 |
| oiaohm | The bugger is highly detailed. | Nov 18 23:23 |
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| oiaohm | It includes sports and body demetions that matches up. | Nov 18 23:23 |
| oiaohm | And weaknesses to look for. | Nov 18 23:23 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it's not legible | Nov 18 23:24 |
| schestowitz | THe video ought to play, maybe ISP issue | Nov 18 23:24 |
| _goblin | the rest of youtube is ok...just checked... | Nov 18 23:25 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Sorry Roy, wants not legible? | Nov 18 23:25 |
| _goblin | *whats | Nov 18 23:25 |
| schestowitz | the xchat thing (is it xchat, I can't recall what I saw) | Nov 18 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Strange that like of schestowitz playes for me _goblin | Nov 18 23:28 |
| _goblin | its working....back in a min! | Nov 18 23:29 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I just saw what that place was.......if only I could speak with you privately....you would not believe how close to home you've hit with that vid...... | Nov 18 23:30 |
| oiaohm | So we need a internet gremlin hit. | Nov 18 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 18 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Just not a troll. | Nov 18 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Ogres would be OK | Nov 18 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Wait, can ogres kill goblins? | Nov 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I can't remember D&D 'food chain' so well | Nov 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Dragons at the top, for sure | Nov 18 23:31 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 18 23:32 |
| _goblin | "everyones free to do as they like" - from that vid.... | Nov 18 23:32 |
| _goblin | oh the delusion of it. | Nov 18 23:32 |
| _goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBeT4ptY9sY | Nov 18 23:34 |
| _goblin | I really dislike these people who bring values against a consumer hunger which is being fed lawfully by a company.... | Nov 18 23:35 |
| _goblin | its a little like "you have the freedom to like whatever you want, however we don't want you liking this......" | Nov 18 23:35 |
| _goblin | "Wait, can ogres kill goblins?" | Nov 18 23:36 |
| _goblin | no....Goblins hunt in numbers, trolls tend to be solitary creatures. | Nov 18 23:37 |
| _goblin | also trolls can't work in sunlight.....goblins can! | Nov 18 23:37 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: I take it you never read the Hobbit? | Nov 18 23:38 |
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| _goblin | Having watched that video it is very sad...Sad that people would be entertained by the Xfactor rubbish but also sad that people would believe their opposition to a massively popular show would mean anything.... | Nov 18 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Resistance starts with the first step _goblin | Nov 18 23:44 |
| _goblin | yes..but we are not talking about the environment, anti-war or anything else of importance...we are talking about a tv show.... | Nov 18 23:44 |
| _goblin | the sure way to get people watching is to get people trying to ban it..... | Nov 18 23:45 |
| _goblin | worked with Saw IV I believe | Nov 18 23:45 |
| _goblin | How many people would have read Dan Browns work if it hadn't been attacked by the catholic church...? | Nov 18 23:46 |
| oiaohm | The question is duty of care. | Nov 18 23:46 |
| _goblin | I certainly read "the code" on the back of the catholic church saying it was wrong. | Nov 18 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Same problem with that show applys also to how we treat the envorment. | Nov 18 23:47 |
| _goblin | but the duty of care is there at the time......(in respect of X-factor) | Nov 18 23:47 |
| _goblin | its maybe the "aftercare" thats lacking | Nov 18 23:47 |
| oiaohm | aftercare is part of the duty of care. | Nov 18 23:47 |
| _goblin | and if the person in the ethos really believes "we are free to do anything we want" then he cannot say that what someone else is doing is wrong.... | Nov 18 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Lot of envorment problems are caused by negelecting the aftercare of mine sits and the like. | Nov 18 23:48 |
| _goblin | *person in the vids ethos | Nov 18 23:48 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: very true. | Nov 18 23:48 |
| oiaohm | We are free to do anything we want so someone is free to kill you if you go too harmful as well _goblin | Nov 18 23:49 |
| oiaohm | With freedom comes responsablity. | Nov 18 23:49 |
| _goblin | but then this is where the freedom idea falls on its face.....surely the killer is the one taking the freedom away from someone else, and to give someone the freedom to kill is a breach of freedom in itself....alot of "freedoms" there! | Nov 18 23:50 |
| _goblin | thats why law exists to supress some freedoms. | Nov 18 23:50 |
| oiaohm | The law is only guide lines. | Nov 18 23:51 |
| oiaohm | If you decided to take absolute freedom you could. | Nov 18 23:51 |
| oiaohm | But you would have to live with the fall out. | Nov 18 23:51 |
| _goblin | In respect of law, true, but then its "standard" rules which everyone is judged by.... | Nov 18 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Still only guide lines _goblin | Nov 18 23:52 |
| _goblin | yes I'll agree with that since a prosecution can be based on interpretation of the circumstance... | Nov 18 23:52 |
| oiaohm | You are talking to a Buddhist/Christian here. | Nov 18 23:52 |
| _goblin | cool.... | Nov 18 23:53 |
| oiaohm | All man made rules are just guide lines. | Nov 18 23:53 |
| _goblin | I have a multi-faith..... | Nov 18 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 18 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Buddhist teachings don't require you to believe in any gods. | Nov 18 23:53 |
| _goblin | Christian/Jewish/Muslim/Hindu and a mish mash of many others....... | Nov 18 23:54 |
| oiaohm | The most important thing is how you live your life. | Nov 18 23:54 |
| _goblin | but then isn't the belief in no god a belief in itself? | Nov 18 23:54 |
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| _goblin | oiaohm: "The most important thing is how you live your life." - completely agree | Nov 18 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Buddhist you choose if you want to believe in gods or not _goblin | Nov 18 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Most free religion on earth really. | Nov 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | [23:38] <_goblin> schestowitz: I take it you never read the Hobbit? | Nov 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | I haven't, no | Nov 18 23:55 |
| _goblin | ah | Nov 18 23:55 |
| _goblin | if you had you would have known trolls turn to stone in sunlight. | Nov 18 23:55 |
| _goblin | :) | Nov 18 23:55 |
| _goblin | they also apparently have diamonds in place of traditional teeth | Nov 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | [23:43] <_goblin> Having watched that video it is very sad...Sad that people would be entertained by the Xfactor rubbish but also sad that people would believe their opposition to a massively popular show would mean anything.... | Nov 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | But they show the issue | Nov 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | They magnify it | Nov 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | See my comment there | Nov 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | They basically expose people to the delusions imposed by the mainstream pop culture | Nov 18 23:57 |
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| _goblin | yes but the comment I was making was that the freedom the chap professes to have is the same freedom people express when they watch the show... | Nov 18 23:57 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I've watched like 70 videos from them in the past 5 days | Nov 18 23:57 |
| _goblin | I personally don't watch it because its godawful. (X-Factor) | Nov 18 23:57 |
| _goblin | Surely this chaps desire is to stop the exploitation of young teens on TV? | Nov 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I guess... | Nov 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I think not | Nov 18 23:58 |
| _goblin | but then isn't that supressing the freedom of somone who wants to? | Nov 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | They bring out the reality from the kids' mouths | Nov 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | To show how kids are taught to think of "celebrities" | Nov 18 23:58 |
| _goblin | but I think kids is the operative word there... | Nov 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Some people are like that with all sorts of idols | Nov 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Also Linus and MarkS | Nov 18 23:58 |
| _goblin | we all had/have role models.... | Nov 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Like they are different breed of people | Nov 18 23:59 |
| _goblin | when I was 10 I wanted to be Mr T..... | Nov 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | "You fool!" | Nov 18 23:59 |
| _goblin | I'd say theres more realism in someone wanting to be a pop start than there was ever of me becoming a different ethnicity. | Nov 18 23:59 |
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