| _goblin | but as a kid you have role models. | Nov 19 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Depends on messages you receive | Nov 19 00:00 |
| _goblin | Oh I also wanted to be MC Hammer....and I wanted a hairstyle like Michael Knight from Knightrider.. | Nov 19 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Here's my take on it | Nov 19 00:00 |
| schestowitz | To control people and instill hope you need celebrities, religions, etc. | Nov 19 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Celebrities tell you what is good | Nov 19 00:01 |
| _goblin | do they? | Nov 19 00:01 |
| _goblin | Britney Spears? | Nov 19 00:01 |
| schestowitz | They usually look better and have pricey PR applied to them | Nov 19 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Royal family is also in the same "celebrity" class | Nov 19 00:01 |
| _goblin | the fall from grace.......the numerous broken marrages of celebs.... | Nov 19 00:01 |
| schestowitz | And politicians to some | Nov 19 00:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] set up fluxbox ..taking me back a few years. damn i like it's simplicity! | Nov 19 00:01 | |
| schestowitz | Atheletes | Nov 19 00:01 |
| _goblin | I'd say the media do a good job of showing how miserable it is to be a celeb..... | Nov 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | And if the dreams of winning the lottery don't work, then there's promises never to be reached like "heaven" | Nov 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | So everyone is left with hope and anticipation | Nov 19 00:02 |
| _goblin | my take is different..... | Nov 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no | Nov 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Celebs are shown as miserable cause that's what people want | Nov 19 00:02 |
| _goblin | Ill agree there. | Nov 19 00:03 |
| schestowitz | It makes them feel better about themselves | Nov 19 00:03 |
| schestowitz | But look at Moss | Nov 19 00:03 |
| schestowitz | The media chooses who to glorify and who to make a villain | Nov 19 00:03 |
| schestowitz | People like Gates have high-quality PR firms | Nov 19 00:03 |
| schestowitz | So now they try to use this former-gangster as a role model for young scientist | Nov 19 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Even though he was never a scientist | Nov 19 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Law/economics | Nov 19 00:03 |
| _goblin | true again, but I think the real problem of today is that the role models are not so much the celebs, but criminal lifestyles are the glorified areas that some children believe are easily obtainable... | Nov 19 00:04 |
| schestowitz | It helps sell symbols anyway | Nov 19 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Others are people like Trump | Nov 19 00:04 |
| schestowitz | The aspiration for wealth | Nov 19 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Inspiring people to toil, thinking everyone works for them too | Nov 19 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Fair enough, it's the glue of society | Nov 19 00:04 |
| schestowitz | But there's a deeper, more profound interpretation | Nov 19 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: I don't quite get what you mean | Nov 19 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Money and power don't buy happyness. | Nov 19 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Something most people don't get. | Nov 19 00:05 |
| _goblin | I'll cite an example......children being brought into the world of drugs with the belief they will become the dealer.... | Nov 19 00:05 |
| oiaohm | If you are not happy before you get money you will be less happy with it. | Nov 19 00:05 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Nov 19 00:06 |
| _goblin | todays street crime IMO is not a result of children having unrealistic goals of being celebs, its more that they believe a criminal lifestyle which is glorified in the press is easy,...; | Nov 19 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Happiness is a baseline thing | Nov 19 00:06 |
| schestowitz | People think it is not a relative thing | Nov 19 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Happiness is a state of mind. | Nov 19 00:07 |
| _goblin | Sort of on topic: Does anyone know why some youth wear their trousers around their ankles? | Nov 19 00:07 |
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| oiaohm | Also turning to crime is more likely when some wakes up they cannot make there dreams. | Nov 19 00:07 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: is it glorified? Are you sure? | Nov 19 00:07 |
| oiaohm | They are unhappy any how. | Nov 19 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we read different sources, but I never got this impression | Nov 19 00:07 |
| oiaohm | so human nature kicks in if you are unhappy you want to make other unhappy. | Nov 19 00:07 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Yep...I'll tell you why.....you know the trousers around the ankles look that some kids wear on the street? | Nov 19 00:08 |
| oiaohm | So crime. | Nov 19 00:08 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I think rouser thing is sign of disobedience | Nov 19 00:08 |
| schestowitz | There's a whole industry around it | Nov 19 00:08 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Do you know where that comes from? - Nope....its imitating prisoners in the USA who are not allowed belts..... | Nov 19 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Puff "Sean Combs" Daddy made a whole lifestyle out of it... "Bad Boy" label | Nov 19 00:09 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: So you see a delusion of celeb status is pretty harmless when looking at children glorifying criminal behaviour. | Nov 19 00:09 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: actually though the loose trousers goes back further in time.... | Nov 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: celebs promote it | Nov 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | The likes og Justin Timberlake wear that stuff and make it fashion | Nov 19 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Not all celebs are bad boys. | Nov 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Then you have films like Godfather and Goodfellas | Nov 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Not to mention violent games | Nov 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Violence can be good | Nov 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | A society lacking violent is a leaceful one | Nov 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | "The threat of peace" | Nov 19 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Violence is human nature. | Nov 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | No anxiety, no cannon fodder | Nov 19 00:11 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: the origin of the loose trousers goes back about 300 years where the "rentboys" used to do it at ports so that the sailors would know who the prostitutes were. | Nov 19 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Buddhist are more than aware of this. Combat training allows you to let the Violence out in a controlled and safe way. | Nov 19 00:11 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: so do you wear such trousers? :) | Nov 19 00:11 |
| schestowitz | I think it became a fashion | Nov 19 00:12 |
| schestowitz | It's not just yobs | Nov 19 00:12 |
| _goblin | funny enough, at the moment I have no belt on and my trousers are loose! | Nov 19 00:12 |
| _goblin | Im at home though! | Nov 19 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Adults too have moved from tucked ("nerd") to very opposite | Nov 19 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Like baseball cap spun 180 degrees in the 90s | Nov 19 00:12 |
| _goblin | look at parker jackets.... | Nov 19 00:12 |
| _goblin | when I was young you would get beaten up for wearing one. | Nov 19 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to see that | Nov 19 00:14 |
| oiaohm | My area was little different in the 90s get caught waering a cap get laughed at. | Nov 19 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Beaten up for dress code..? | Nov 19 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Ok Australian wearing a cap does not really make much sence. | Nov 19 00:14 |
| _goblin | maybe an exageration but you were mocked terribly for wearing one... | Nov 19 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Girls here in Manchester are approaching the point of going out to clubs with a bikini | Nov 19 00:15 |
| _goblin | "Beaten up for dress code..?" - Come to Luton wearing a Millwall FC top....best example of that. | Nov 19 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Slip slop slap push for sun protection made the clothing selection here _goblin | Nov 19 00:15 |
| oiaohm | And it too hot all year around for parker jackets in the first place. | Nov 19 00:16 |
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| _goblin | lucky! No need to show off.....Us brits get good weather too...sometimes.....well at least one or twice a year. | Nov 19 00:17 |
| _goblin | maybe.... | Nov 19 00:17 |
| oiaohm | I don't call 42 C day good weather. | Nov 19 00:17 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 19 00:17 |
| oiaohm | With 33 C night. | Nov 19 00:18 |
| ThistleWeb | oiaohm: depends what the norm is | Nov 19 00:18 |
| _goblin | I don't even think my coffee is 42c | Nov 19 00:18 |
| oiaohm | 33 C night is a bugger to sleep in. | Nov 19 00:18 |
| _goblin | thats the only thing I am not envious of... | Nov 19 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Its simpler and can be cheaper to heat something up than trying to cool something down. | Nov 19 00:19 |
| oiaohm | What is the ground temp over there _goblin | Nov 19 00:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: use a fan then | Nov 19 00:20 |
| _goblin | Not sure above ground temp, the other thing Im not envious of is you have some dodgy wildlife....at least in the UK you can run through a field of long grass and you can be sure not to be bitten by some poisonous prehistoric leviathon which gives you only 20 minutes to live... | Nov 19 00:21 |
| _goblin | *about | Nov 19 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Some of the desert areas of dig into the ground. | Nov 19 00:21 |
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| oiaohm | I like going to those areas. | Nov 19 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Ok no windows but get depth right perfect sleeping temp. | Nov 19 00:21 |
| _goblin | I expect that "dodgy wildlife" comment will come back and haunt me from our resident silent wintrolls here. | Nov 19 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | I must be the only person boiling water in my hob | Nov 19 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Australian wildlife is not dodgy. Its some of the cute ones that get people in the most trouble. | Nov 19 00:23 |
| _goblin | yeah...but anything that can kill you with a sting or a bite or dodgy in my book! | Nov 19 00:23 |
| _goblin | *is dodgy | Nov 19 00:24 |
| oiaohm | koala looks cute _goblin | Nov 19 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Good set of claws and a good set of teeth and have sometimes killed humans. | Nov 19 00:24 |
| _goblin | yeah, I covered that in my Karmic KDE v Gnome article | Nov 19 00:24 |
| _goblin | "….will drop from the branches onto the shoulders of bushwalkers below, and proceed to claw and bite. There has been the occasional fatality caused by a jugular being punctured but usually the victim suffers nothing more than a nasty shock and a couple of scratches." | Nov 19 00:24 |
| oiaohm | O it cute problem. | Nov 19 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Platapus also falls into that cat. | Nov 19 00:25 |
| _goblin | yeah, sting on their heel is it not? | Nov 19 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Looks cute mail as poison that will hurt for months. | Nov 19 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Yep the sting. | Nov 19 00:25 |
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| _goblin | its the small insects with choppers that I dislike..... | Nov 19 00:26 |
| _goblin | and stings.... | Nov 19 00:26 |
| oiaohm | We were lucky with the fireant. | Nov 19 00:26 |
| oiaohm | It turned out our native green ant beats the living crap out out them. | Nov 19 00:26 |
| _goblin | Cute and vicious I can deal with.....tiny and venonmous - Im out of there! | Nov 19 00:26 |
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| oiaohm | Ok our green ant poison is not particularly nice. | Nov 19 00:27 |
| oiaohm | But they normally don't cluster attack unless you sit on there nest. | Nov 19 00:27 |
| _goblin | ah thats ok then !?!?! | Nov 19 00:27 |
| oiaohm | About 100 bits of particular versions of the green ant and you need anti toxin. | Nov 19 00:28 |
| oiaohm | But you have to be fairly dumb to get 100 bites. | Nov 19 00:28 |
| _goblin | Oiaohm: Never be on the Australian tourist board......you are doing a very bad job of selling your beautiful country to me!!!!! | Nov 19 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Most of it is safe _goblin | Nov 19 00:28 |
| _goblin | as long as you watch where you sit. | Nov 19 00:28 |
| _goblin | and don't be fooled by anything cute | Nov 19 00:29 |
| oiaohm | you are more likely to die crossing the road over than than by an Australian native something. | Nov 19 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Most people die due to stupidity and not paying notice. | Nov 19 00:29 |
| _goblin | I joke of course....its just reassuring in the UK that if I am bitten by something small, I don't have to worry about having the possibility of only a few minutes to live.... | Nov 19 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Its always longer than a few mins. | Nov 19 00:30 |
| _goblin | lol.... | Nov 19 00:30 |
| _goblin | Im sure thats of comfort at the time. | Nov 19 00:30 |
| oiaohm | You always have about 2 hours. | Nov 19 00:30 |
| oiaohm | And panic shortens that time. | Nov 19 00:30 |
| _goblin | lol... | Nov 19 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Relexing lenths it. | Nov 19 00:31 |
| _goblin | Id be gone in about 2 then. | Nov 19 00:31 |
| _goblin | (2 mins that it) | Nov 19 00:31 |
| _goblin | *is | Nov 19 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Really you are worried about the wrong ones. | Nov 19 00:31 |
| oiaohm | The highly most likely kill you we have anti vemons for. | Nov 19 00:31 |
| oiaohm | So as long as you get that you will be right in about 2 days. | Nov 19 00:32 |
| _goblin | as long as you get help within 2 hours. | Nov 19 00:32 |
| oiaohm | No major problem. | Nov 19 00:32 |
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| oiaohm | If you are traveling out side 2 hours of help you carry the anti vemon _goblin | Nov 19 00:32 |
| _goblin | ah..you can tell Ive never visited Australia.... | Nov 19 00:33 |
| _goblin | would like to go someday....(in all seriousness) | Nov 19 00:33 |
| oiaohm | There is a generic one that ok makes you as sick as dog for 5 days but will keep you alive for 5 days no matter what got you on land. | Nov 19 00:33 |
| oiaohm | So killing ones not a major issue any more. | Nov 19 00:34 |
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| oiaohm | Its just a question how sick you will be after getting bit _goblin | Nov 19 00:34 |
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| _goblin | Next year we are off to Germany for our hols..... | Nov 19 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Now the non killings they are the ones that sux _goblin | Nov 19 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Like the stinging tree. Will not kill you hurts like hell for months. | Nov 19 00:35 |
| _goblin | Stinging tree's? That doesnt sound good....is that like the womping Willow in Harry Potter. | Nov 19 00:35 |
| oiaohm | http://cruises.about.com/od/australiaandnzcruises/ig/Rainforestation-at-Kuranda/Australian-Stinging-Tree.htm I think the womping Willow is a pussy cat in compare _goblin | Nov 19 00:36 |
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| _goblin | oiaohm: LOL.....like I say, never try to bring tourism to your country professionaly...;) | Nov 19 00:37 |
| _goblin | to be fair, the stinging tree does not look nasty. | Nov 19 00:37 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Nov 19 00:37 |
| oiaohm | It looks safe. | Nov 19 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Every section of the plant is barbed bar the fruit. | Nov 19 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Including the underside of the leaves. | Nov 19 00:38 |
| oiaohm | You touch it you are got. | Nov 19 00:38 |
| _goblin | when you said tree....I was expecting something a little bigger.... | Nov 19 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Grows to about 1.5 meters so perfect human hunting hight _goblin | Nov 19 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically don't go off the marked paths here unless you really know your planits and have you wits about you. | Nov 19 00:39 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: You ever been stung by that thing? | Nov 19 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Not been that stupid. | Nov 19 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Seen a few people stupid enough. | Nov 19 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie it cannot be that bad. Yep it bad. Pain to the point of making persons mind break for the first month. | Nov 19 00:41 |
| _goblin | this is another nasty of yours: | Nov 19 00:42 |
| _goblin | http://www.outback-australia-travel-secrets.com/australian_spiders.html#australian-spiders-funnelweb | Nov 19 00:42 |
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| oiaohm | The song about redback on the tollet seat is a valid warning _goblin | Nov 19 00:42 |
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| oiaohm | Note no one has died from funnelwebs in a long time _goblin | Nov 19 00:44 |
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| oiaohm | Basically you need to be stupid to die from them. _goblin Feelling sick and decide not to see doc. Not a wise thing here. | Nov 19 00:45 |
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| oiaohm | Carpet snakes can be a bigger problem due to bacteria in month causing long term harm that does not want to heal _goblin | Nov 19 00:46 |
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| oiaohm | Biggest problem for vistors they are always looking around for the killing ones. Not thinking that the ones that don't kill are bigger problems. _goblin | Nov 19 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Kangaroos are another one that people get themselfs into trouble. Never ever try to pat a wild animale they can take offence and you will pay _goblin | Nov 19 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Mostly stupidity not the animals. Only acception is the jelly fish around australia. Some of them are truly nasty. | Nov 19 00:49 |
| schestowitz | What colour? | Nov 19 00:51 |
| schestowitz | wb, Omar87. 3am | Nov 19 00:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Thanks, yeah actually it's 2:50. :) | Nov 19 00:52 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Death_Adder << Most common snake to bit bitten by here _goblin Again normally stupidty they will make a warning sound if you are listerning. MP3 stuck in ears really don't help. | Nov 19 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: did you see that Toshiba server? | Nov 19 01:10 |
| schestowitz | There is another one today | Nov 19 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I post more in BN links | Nov 19 01:10 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/ << Boy this will make the game more interseting. | Nov 19 01:17 |
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| oiaohm | Does MS have a phone they make ? | Nov 19 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I was just getting around to this one :-) | Nov 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Pink | Nov 19 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | We spoke about this before, abut 5 weeks ago | Nov 19 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Don't you remember? You said they'd drive away partners | Nov 19 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Google case they don't rightly care schestowitz | Nov 19 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Its not like google is charging the partners to use the OS. | Nov 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I know | Nov 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | they have adverts domination | Nov 19 01:25 |
| oiaohm | So its a fair playing field. | Nov 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Via search also | Nov 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is reliant in licensing _margins_ | Nov 19 01:25 |
| oiaohm | MS case were they are selling the OS. | Nov 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Google is not | Nov 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | /in/on/ | Nov 19 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Indirect income the secret of Open source. | Nov 19 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Even mozilla foundation depends on it. | Nov 19 01:26 |
| oiaohm | The included search engines in firefox are not exactly freebies. | Nov 19 01:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android Gets #Java Shot in the ARM http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Android-s-Dalvik-to-be-JIT-boosted-861870.html | Nov 19 01:26 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I love Mozilla's operation mode | Nov 19 01:27 |
| schestowitz | We need more companies like Mozilla | Nov 19 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Google as well. | Nov 19 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Driven by passion for the Web and customer who love them, not by shareholders (greed) | Nov 19 01:27 |
| schestowitz | /mer/mers/ | Nov 19 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Google has greed. | Nov 19 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, big comnpany | Nov 19 01:28 |
| oiaohm | But they are not stupid. Hurt customer hurt bottom line long term. | Nov 19 01:28 |
| schestowitz | IPO around 2001 IIRC | Nov 19 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe later | Nov 19 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Really we need less stupid companes. | Nov 19 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tries to harm Google's image | Nov 19 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Using publishers at the moment | Nov 19 01:28 |
| oiaohm | The major leads in the open source world bar Novell are sane. | Nov 19 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Customer first. | Nov 19 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Novell used to be arrogant | Nov 19 01:32 |
| oiaohm | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/tuxradar-numbers-20-rise-karmic Now I bet MS wish they has the update rate of Ubuntu | Nov 19 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | They took orders | Nov 19 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Not marketed | Nov 19 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Now it's different | Nov 19 01:33 |
| schestowitz | They lose customers | Nov 19 01:33 |
| schestowitz | ANd to invite some to SUSE they need to be cocky | Nov 19 01:33 |
| schestowitz | But right now they are selling fear | Nov 19 01:33 |
| schestowitz | "Buy SUSE for peace of mind.....;' | Nov 19 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Where is that new. | Nov 19 01:33 |
| oiaohm | They sold netware as stable and dependable compared to windows NT. | Nov 19 01:33 |
| oiaohm | So you could have peace of mind with your data. | Nov 19 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Fear has always been a Novell sales method. | Nov 19 01:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Google #Phone is Coming and #iPhone is in Real Trouble http://ur1.ca/g1zn http://ur1.ca/g3fp | Nov 19 01:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Review of #Moblin 2.0 on Sub-notebooks http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=3206641&pn=2 | Nov 19 01:35 | |
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| oiaohm | Embed first then SBS server then focus will turn to desktop in force. | Nov 19 01:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free #CMS Software is Winning Big Time, Proprietary Rivals Perish http://ur1.ca/g3fv | Nov 19 01:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #YouTube / #Google Makes Free Software Application http://ur1.ca/g3fx | Nov 19 01:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox 3.6 Beta 3 Near http://news.softpedia.com/news/Firefox-3-6-Beta-3-Revision-3-Is-Cooking-127222.shtml | Nov 19 01:39 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, many companies market with fear | Nov 19 01:40 |
| schestowitz | The injury/cure approach | Nov 19 01:40 |
| schestowitz | "You are broken, we can sell you a fix.." | Nov 19 01:40 |
| oiaohm | The events I am seeing now are directly reminding of the events leading up to windows 95 release. | Nov 19 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Little more time and we will know if its another history loop. | Nov 19 01:43 |
| schestowitz | For Google? | Nov 19 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS out on Monday maybe, as beta | Nov 19 01:44 |
| schestowitz | For download | Nov 19 01:45 |
| oiaohm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/black_boxes_for_guns/ That is already in metal storm pistels. | Nov 19 01:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Judge Dredd 'Black Box' recorder/spy kit for guns unveiled • The Register .::. Size~: 28.83 KB | Nov 19 01:45 |
| oiaohm | On the usa open market schestowitz | Nov 19 01:45 |
| oiaohm | And its very much Judge Dredd | Nov 19 01:46 |
| oiaohm | If you don't have the activation ring on the gun cannot fire. | Nov 19 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Only thing it don't do is taser a invalid operate like Judge Dredd weapons do. | Nov 19 01:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Metasploit 3.3 is Released http://ur1.ca/g3gf http://ur1.ca/g3gj | Nov 19 01:47 | |
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| oiaohm | Now really with todays metal storm tech someone should make a Judge Dredd gun. | Nov 19 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Taser and all. | Nov 19 01:48 |
| schestowitz | "open market" or "free (to abuse) market"? | Nov 19 01:51 |
| _goblin | .l | Nov 19 01:53 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 19 01:53 |
| _goblin | it looks like my CLI has AI | Nov 19 01:53 |
| _goblin | "goblin@goblin-desktop:~$ whatis mono-runtime" | Nov 19 01:53 |
| _goblin | "mono-runtime: nothing appropriate." | Nov 19 01:53 |
| _goblin | Yes, I forgot to strip Mono out of my latest install..... | Nov 19 01:54 |
| schestowitz | try 'mono-downtime' | Nov 19 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Dman, this tea that I got is really good | Nov 19 02:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess Celebrates More Wins http://www.cis-india.org/advocacy/ipr/blog/access-to-online-information-and-knowledge | Nov 19 02:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Programming/Developing with #Gerrit , #Ruby #IDE Upgraded http://ur1.ca/g3hb http://ur1.ca/g3hc | Nov 19 02:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Brazil 's #Linux -based Voting Machines Impenetrable http://ur1.ca/fuj7 | Nov 19 02:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Hackers Fail To Crack Brazilian Voting Machines .::. Size~: 150.48 KB | Nov 19 02:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] War on the War on File Sharing Down Under http://ur1.ca/g3hj | Nov 19 02:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MAFIAA Member Expresses Regret http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/viacoms-top-lawyer-suing-p2p-users-felt-like-terrorism.ars | Nov 19 02:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Innovations Put it on the Very Top, and Growing http://ur1.ca/g3ia http://ur1.ca/g3ib | Nov 19 02:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Macs and #XBox 360 Are Rubbish Hardware http://ur1.ca/g3if http://ur1.ca/g3ig | Nov 19 02:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Keeps Gaining in Europe, Free Software Follows http://ur1.ca/g3ih http://ur1.ca/g3ii | Nov 19 02:20 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Now all users in fedora can install packages which are signed ; "local users get to play root" thread grows big http://tinyurl.com/yfn9kua | Nov 19 02:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug 534047 – All users get to install software on a machine they do not have the root password to .::. Size~: 99.26 KB | Nov 19 02:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Look Like a 'Pyramid Scheme' by Lawyers, for Lawyers http://ur1.ca/g3iq http://ur1.ca/g3ir | Nov 19 02:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Spins (and Lies About) #FreeSoftware http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29422/1090/ | Nov 19 02:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows XP Banned After #Microsoft Broke Law http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/microsoft_china_font_ip_infringement/ | Nov 19 02:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Cracked, Leading to More Issues http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/win7_cracks/ | Nov 19 02:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Trojans likely to follow Win 7 activation hack • The Register .::. Size~: 26.31 KB | Nov 19 02:26 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @salva_eswar: (to me) This is among my fave features in this release along with integrated presto, empathy, and a lot more | Nov 19 02:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Has Already Won http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/gnu-linux-has-won/ | Nov 19 03:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Trojans Forecast and #Microsoft #Hardware Licences http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/vista-7-trojans-forecast/ | Nov 19 03:41 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pigeon: Impossible http://ur1.ca/g3me #cgi | Nov 19 03:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugZq9hiuCJo | Nov 19 04:03 |
| schestowitz | Weird | Nov 19 04:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Future of #Phones Likely Belongs to #Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/symbian-put-to-rest/ | Nov 19 04:11 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Future of Phones Likely Belongs to Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.75 KB | Nov 19 04:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Impact of #Windows XP Getting Banned for #Microsoft Misconduct http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/counterfeiting-china/ | Nov 19 04:41 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Impact of Windows XP Getting Banned for Microsoft Misconduct | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.02 KB | Nov 19 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed the grocery store had Rooibos Tea in | Nov 19 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | so I bought all of it | Nov 19 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | you don't usually see that here | Nov 19 04:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #UIDAI is not operational says GoI to Central Info Commission . http://tr.im/FgGU . If so who is funding for NN? #RTI #noUID #UID #security | Nov 19 04:45 | |
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| schestowitz | Bingo Bong.... I'll publish as humour something quite funny.... | Nov 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | quote: | Nov 19 04:48 |
| schestowitz | > See Nathan being given free uncritical publicity over on Google. | Nov 19 04:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 04:48 |
| schestowitz | > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/1538245/Former-Microsoft-CTO-Builds-Kitchen-Laboratory?art_pos=2 | Nov 19 04:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Former Microsoft CTO Builds Kitchen Laboratory .::. Size~: 138.86 KB | Nov 19 04:48 |
| schestowitz | /. is advertising this prick. | Nov 19 04:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RD @J4v4m4n Who is making UID? Is it Infosys? Planning Commission says UIDAI is not operational http://is.gd/4Yukt [ed] | Nov 19 04:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Spoof: Behind the #Google Scenes http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/19/billg-how-to-defeat-google-strategy/ | Nov 19 05:15 | |
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| schestowitz | gn | Nov 19 05:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Enjoying beer and chat with the Ubuntu community in the bar at #uds Lovely people. #fb | Nov 19 05:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Recorded 4 interviews at #uds for @uupc | Nov 19 06:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | Does anyone have some idea of what I can use to record movies from my webcam in KDE? | Nov 19 06:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A quick test post from Choqok, it looks interesting so far | Nov 19 07:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://toastytech.com/guis/hka1.html | Nov 19 07:15 |
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| oiaohm | I guess kdenlive does not work for you DaemonFC | Nov 19 07:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know full blown video editor. It can record webcams it kinda overkill. | Nov 19 07:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Federal judge rules Army Corps of Engineers responsible, and liable, for much of the post-Katrina flooding in New Orleans http://ur1.ca/g3wt | Nov 19 07:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | The army is not responsible for that | Nov 19 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's the assholes who wouldn't give them the budget to maintain things | Nov 19 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | Congress, George W. Bush, etc | Nov 19 08:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @nipra Check out this cool new reminder service from Infinitely Beta! www.imnotspacy.com | Nov 19 08:43 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Fedora is unsecure crap, !Debian forever http://ur1.ca/g3z6 | Nov 19 08:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Choqok is very nice, and incredibly light on resources, even on XFCE. QT4 still looks out of place though, but hey, nothing's perfect lol | Nov 19 08:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] listening to Sonata Arctica - "Full Moon" , a great track/band which never seems to get a mention.... | Nov 19 09:17 | |
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| _goblin | Quoting lefty: "It doesn't matter whether Mono is any good. It doesn't matter whether or not Mono is legal. It doesn't matter whether or not Mono is a patent trap...." | Nov 19 10:00 |
| _goblin | yep, Lefty has it cracked there..... | Nov 19 10:00 |
| _goblin | whats the point of anything ?!?!? | Nov 19 10:00 |
| _goblin | So ergo lets just remove it.... | Nov 19 10:01 |
| ThistleWeb | well, the point of the end of a pencil is that you can write or draw with it and not look like a childs drawing | Nov 19 10:01 |
| ThistleWeb | you may not be able to draw, but at least the lines will be where you put them | Nov 19 10:01 |
| ThistleWeb | </sarcasm over> | Nov 19 10:02 |
| _goblin | :) | Nov 19 10:02 |
| _goblin | What's lefty's story....... | Nov 19 10:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Sovereign State and Mobile Subjects: Politics of the UIDAI -- Anant maringati writes in EPW http://tr.im/FhnM #noUID | Nov 19 10:02 | |
| _goblin | Lefty/Jo/Icaza.....what a motley crew..... | Nov 19 10:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon his point is "MS have so much control, that there's no point in discussing anything, it's a done deal" | Nov 19 10:03 |
| _goblin | maybe they control him..... | Nov 19 10:03 |
| ThistleWeb | "you will all be using it, regardless" | Nov 19 10:03 |
| _goblin | you will be assimilated. | Nov 19 10:03 |
| ThistleWeb | resitence is futile | Nov 19 10:03 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Nov 19 10:03 |
| cubezzz | obviously wrong :) | Nov 19 10:04 |
| _goblin | you biological distinctiveness will be added to our own. | Nov 19 10:04 |
| _goblin | *your | Nov 19 10:04 |
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| ThistleWeb | it's like the media when they say "give it a few years and you'll all be using windows 7" | Nov 19 10:04 |
| ThistleWeb | that it's not even up for discussion | Nov 19 10:05 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a given | Nov 19 10:05 |
| cubezzz | but I've hated windows for 21 years | Nov 19 10:05 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure I could go another 21 :) | Nov 19 10:05 |
| _goblin | to be honest it was Vista that did me..... | Nov 19 10:05 |
| ThistleWeb | best get used to it, one day your IT guys will switch your pc for a windows 7 one | Nov 19 10:05 |
| _goblin | it was not so much Vista was a pig, it was that nobody officially acknowledged a problem with it.....it was that behaviour that showed me MS was not the answer. | Nov 19 10:06 |
| cubezzz | the trend is actually to move away from microsoft | Nov 19 10:06 |
| cubezzz | epspecially outside of North America | Nov 19 10:06 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of companies got burned with vista | Nov 19 10:06 |
| ThistleWeb | bought into the usual MS hype and got burned | Nov 19 10:07 |
| ThistleWeb | they're gonna think twice | Nov 19 10:07 |
| cubezzz | that's the thing right there, it wasn't Vista for me | Nov 19 10:07 |
| cubezzz | I _never_ liked windows | Nov 19 10:07 |
| ThistleWeb | not to mention the ecconomy is forcing them to justify costs they previously would have resigned without much more than a glance | Nov 19 10:07 |
| cubezzz | when I saw Sun4's at Waterloo I saw the future | Nov 19 10:08 |
| ThistleWeb | sure the staff like MS office because that's what they're used to, do they use any more than the basics? can that extra $200 per install really be justified? | Nov 19 10:08 |
| cubezzz | I predict Microsoft will try to make everything a subscription | Nov 19 10:09 |
| cubezzz | pay by the month | Nov 19 10:09 |
| ThistleWeb | who gets laid off to pay for it? | Nov 19 10:09 |
| cubezzz | right, the old system is passing away | Nov 19 10:09 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft was always a joke | Nov 19 10:10 |
| ThistleWeb | MS stuff among others have always been way over priced, FOSS is just equalising that | Nov 19 10:10 |
| cubezzz | they are good at one thing: backroom deals | Nov 19 10:10 |
| cubezzz | and stealing | Nov 19 10:10 |
| ThistleWeb | they cant cope with price or quality, and they cant buy the competition and close it down, GPL projects would just fork to a new name, and take all their devs and community with them, complete with a ready made product | Nov 19 10:11 |
| oiaohm | They have already tried to get people pay more month cubezzz | Nov 19 10:11 |
| ThistleWeb | all they'd gain for the money spent is the rights to a name that wont have any value | Nov 19 10:11 |
| cubezzz | although immitating is in human nature, we all learn from each other | Nov 19 10:11 |
| oiaohm | I predict more and more MS products will become advertising funded cubezzz | Nov 19 10:12 |
| ThistleWeb | they looked into advertising on the desktop | Nov 19 10:12 |
| ThistleWeb | apple got a patent on it | Nov 19 10:12 |
| ThistleWeb | I hope apple use it | Nov 19 10:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I really do | Nov 19 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Adware is not a new idea. | Nov 19 10:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I understand a free (cost) product resorting to that, but something you pay forand STILL get adverts? | Nov 19 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Makers of Devices no longer want to pay for OS's ThistleWeb | Nov 19 10:14 |
| oiaohm | Instead in future they will want to be paid for OS being on device if anything. | Nov 19 10:14 |
| ThistleWeb | apple's patent was about mobile adverts forcing you to interact with it to get rid of it | Nov 19 10:14 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I know, I understand free cost stuff doing that | Nov 19 10:14 |
| cubezzz | I don't think adware will work | Nov 19 10:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I wouldnt like it, but I understand it | Nov 19 10:14 |
| ThistleWeb | but if you pay for it, it should be advert free | Nov 19 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Problem is FOSS stuff is advert free most of the time. | Nov 19 10:15 |
| cubezzz | it's hardware that counts, so Microsoft will probably try to sell hardware | Nov 19 10:15 |
| cubezzz | e.g. the Microsoft Store | Nov 19 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Selling hardware means you have to give the OS away basically for free. | Nov 19 10:16 |
| oiaohm | To anyone else using it or they will think you are cheating them. | Nov 19 10:16 |
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| cubezzz | well it's hidden in the price | Nov 19 10:16 |
| oiaohm | Really. | Nov 19 10:16 |
| oiaohm | You know all the crapware that comes with new computers. | Nov 19 10:17 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 19 10:17 |
| oiaohm | What price is windows after that crapware is added. | Nov 19 10:17 |
| oiaohm | About -15 dollars. | Nov 19 10:17 |
| MinceR | still too expensive for its worth | Nov 19 10:17 |
| cubezzz | yeah that's just yet another reason to stand away from Windows isn't it? | Nov 19 10:17 |
| oiaohm | So ms price matching crapware filled machines with no crapware ones would mean them under cutting the OS price and cutting into hardware profit percent to cover OS. | Nov 19 10:18 |
| ThistleWeb | thats why windows looks cheap in cost, is that it's subsidised by companies like norton paying per install to have a trial av app on | Nov 19 10:18 |
| cubezzz | another example: my first Amiga had 512 Kilobytes of ram | Nov 19 10:18 |
| cubezzz | and it was faster than some Vista machines with 1,000 times (or more) ram | Nov 19 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Really the sooner Linux kernel support real-time scanning the better. | Nov 19 10:19 |
| oiaohm | So anti-virus companes can ship crap ware making it way cheeper than windows. | Nov 19 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Crapware is effecting OS selection by hardware makers and buyers. | Nov 19 10:20 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft itself could use a reboot | Nov 19 10:20 |
| cubezzz | way too much bloat | Nov 19 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Linux is slowly stripping the X11 system away. | Nov 19 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Reboot is not required just good plaining cubezzz | Nov 19 10:22 |
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| oiaohm | http://brendanscott.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/new-aussie-supercomputer-runs-linux/ Someone did some digging | Nov 19 10:24 |
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| cubezzz | computers get faster, but mostly all we get is better eye candy | Nov 19 10:25 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I don't think they can just re-plan | Nov 19 10:25 |
| cubezzz | people really don't trust Microsoft | Nov 19 10:25 |
| cubezzz | they can't make a good compact OS | Nov 19 10:27 |
| cubezzz | that's probably why windows mobile was so bad | Nov 19 10:27 |
| oiaohm | The core of NT is being compacted at moment cubezzz | Nov 19 10:28 |
| ThistleWeb | for years MS have convinced the non-tech peeps, but as time goes by that's gradually getting harder and harder for them to do | Nov 19 10:28 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/inside-minwin-the-windows-7-kernel-slims-down.ars << Yep MS has a text version of there logo. | Nov 19 10:28 |
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| cubezzz | it's not that Windows suddenly became bad with Vista either | Nov 19 10:29 |
| cubezzz | it just didn't have the design philosophy of Unix, and Unix had the best design | Nov 19 10:29 |
| cubezzz | a well-thought out compartmentualized system | Nov 19 10:31 |
| oiaohm | If you read early VMS and early NT design books the design is good. | Nov 19 10:31 |
| oiaohm | It was well-thought out and compartmentualized. | Nov 19 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Only one problem tweakers for speed got in there. | Nov 19 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Bit like BLK issue that hit Linux cubezzz. They took there eye off the ball. | Nov 19 10:31 |
| cubezzz | yes, I tried NT 4.0 I think | Nov 19 10:32 |
| cubezzz | in 1998 I was experimenting with dual cpu | Nov 19 10:32 |
| oiaohm | If they can get eye back on ball | Nov 19 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Take NT back to its core design. | Nov 19 10:33 |
| oiaohm | It will be ok. | Nov 19 10:33 |
| cubezzz | did NT have anything like init 1? | Nov 19 10:33 |
| oiaohm | But they will have to be prepared to break applications. | Nov 19 10:33 |
| cubezzz | like a text only mode? | Nov 19 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Remember NT design comes from VMS cubezzz | Nov 19 10:33 |
| cubezzz | yes, that's true | Nov 19 10:33 |
| oiaohm | So yes text mode is doable. | Nov 19 10:33 |
| cubezzz | and OpenVMS was pretty good I heard | Nov 19 10:34 |
| oiaohm | You can see the text mode if you disable the boot logo cubezzz | Nov 19 10:34 |
| oiaohm | MS masked it just like Linux's do today. | Nov 19 10:34 |
| cubezzz | I can still ctrl-alt-FX on Fedora | Nov 19 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Linux guys don't mind own up to a text mode being there. | Nov 19 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Services under windows also are use to having graphical. | Nov 19 10:36 |
| cubezzz | everyone uses ssh still | Nov 19 10:36 |
| cubezzz | well, in the *nix world | Nov 19 10:36 |
| oiaohm | And that allowing services at graphical has been a major secuirty flaw. | Nov 19 10:36 |
| cubezzz | you should be able to do most stuff at the command line | Nov 19 10:37 |
| oiaohm | That is unix world fail safe | Nov 19 10:37 |
| oiaohm | And it had to be done that way because X11 was not trustable. | Nov 19 10:37 |
| cubezzz | even browsing the net, I can use keyboard a lot | Nov 19 10:38 |
| oiaohm | X11 for years has been a screw up for Linux. | Nov 19 10:38 |
| cubezzz | there's actually a world-inside-a-world there | Nov 19 10:38 |
| oiaohm | At long last we can see light at end to tunnel there. | Nov 19 10:38 |
| cubezzz | there's tty, then there's konsole and gnome-terminal | Nov 19 10:39 |
| oiaohm | User space mode setting due by different things was the most insane thing ever. | Nov 19 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie VT, FB and X11 all had indepentent video card mode setting. | Nov 19 10:39 |
| oiaohm | At least some drivers now are sharing that. | Nov 19 10:40 |
| cubezzz | a networked clipboard would be nice too :) | Nov 19 10:40 |
| oiaohm | What I want to see is something way more powerful. | Nov 19 10:40 |
| oiaohm | FB X11 applications on the one screen working with each other. | Nov 19 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Then virtualisation pass threw as well. | Nov 19 10:41 |
| oiaohm | We are on the path leading to this cubezzz | Nov 19 10:41 |
| cubezzz | there's something called Perl-clipboard "with any OS" | Nov 19 10:43 |
| oiaohm | synengy also does it http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ | Nov 19 10:45 |
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| oiaohm | But that takes joining keyboard and mouse as well cubezzz | Nov 19 10:45 |
| cubezzz | maybe just stick the clipboard on a local network | Nov 19 10:51 |
| cubezzz | netclipboard :) | Nov 19 10:52 |
| schestowitz | About Microsoft keyboards, didn't Microsoft just buy company for that (rebadging)? | Nov 19 10:53 |
| cubezzz | that's what Amiga did | Nov 19 10:53 |
| cubezzz | er, not buy the company but just rebadge Mitsumi keyboards | Nov 19 10:54 |
| cubezzz | Mitsumi's still around :) | Nov 19 10:54 |
| cubezzz | I have keytronics, labtec, and acer keyboards | Nov 19 10:55 |
| MinceR | vms has an overcomplicated and awkward design | Nov 19 10:56 |
| MinceR | it even keeps the user from replacing the shell, afaik | Nov 19 10:56 |
| cubezzz | security :) | Nov 19 10:57 |
| MinceR | (because it runs in its own ring) | Nov 19 10:57 |
| MinceR | nt of course screws it all up, starting by putting the gui into the kernel | Nov 19 10:57 |
| cubezzz | I can't recall running text only mode in any OS other than *nix based | Nov 19 10:58 |
| cubezzz | not AmigaDOS | Nov 19 10:58 |
| cubezzz | not Windows | Nov 19 10:59 |
| cubezzz | CMS terminal :) | Nov 19 10:59 |
| MinceR | did amiga even have textmode? | Nov 19 10:59 |
| MinceR | i know i had textmode in windows 3.1 | Nov 19 10:59 |
| cubezzz | I think it was all graphical | Nov 19 10:59 |
| cubezzz | really? | Nov 19 10:59 |
| MinceR | BSOD, device not ready, DOS apps, etc | Nov 19 10:59 |
| MinceR | iirc even win98 switches to text mode if it tries to read from cd while you take it out | Nov 19 11:00 |
| MinceR | or maybe only on floppy | Nov 19 11:00 |
| cubezzz | yes but it's still running the gui | Nov 19 11:00 |
| cubezzz | you can't turn it off | Nov 19 11:00 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 19 11:00 |
| MinceR | well, in BSOD the gui isn't running anymore :> | Nov 19 11:01 |
| cubezzz | it's not easy to top Unix | Nov 19 11:01 |
| cubezzz | lol | Nov 19 11:01 |
| MinceR | newer windowses run BSOD in graphic mode though, afaict | Nov 19 11:01 |
| cubezzz | well, that's progress :) | Nov 19 11:02 |
| cubezzz | now the BSOD screen looks nicer | Nov 19 11:02 |
| cubezzz | some PDA's even ran X | Nov 19 11:04 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: No logictech makes most MS mice. They do have one made. http://www.microsoft.com/PRODUCTS/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=10426173-9aba-45eb-b7ce-af9ef9724d3d&type=ovr | Nov 19 11:06 |
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| oiaohm | logitech also makes dell and IBM mices as well schestowitz | Nov 19 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically you want a mouse with your brand on it Logitech will do. | Nov 19 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Heck we could have boycottnovell mices if we wanted to. | Nov 19 11:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: ah, I suspected that | Nov 19 11:08 |
| schestowitz | At some point it was rumoured that Microsoft intended to buy Logitech | Nov 19 11:08 |
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| cubezzz | foruntately the doomsday scenario didn't happen | Nov 19 11:10 |
| cubezzz | fortunately | Nov 19 11:10 |
| cubezzz | ok, got netclip compiled | Nov 19 11:12 |
| cubezzz | looks a bit old | Nov 19 11:13 |
| cubezzz | which is actually good for me :) | Nov 19 11:14 |
| oiaohm | But MS has truely made some mice schestowitz | Nov 19 11:17 |
| oiaohm | But they are insanely expesnive. | Nov 19 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Like 400 USD for a track ball mouse. | Nov 19 11:18 |
| oiaohm | Basically if a MS Mouse is decent price its a logitech. | Nov 19 11:18 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osor.eu/news/dk-rodovre-municipality-openoffice-will-be-cheaper-to-maintain HMMM | Nov 19 11:23 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] An Inventors’ System Hijacked by #Lawyers http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/19/patents-pursuit-and-lawyers/ #swpat | Nov 19 11:28 | |
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| cubezzz | meh, can't get netclip to work | Nov 19 11:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Can’t Trust #Microsoft with Code, So Why is #Fedora 12 #Mono and #Winforms Dependent? http://ur1.ca/g4cd | Nov 19 12:00 | |
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| MinceR | 120415 < oiaohm> schestowitz: No logictech makes most MS mice. They do have one made. | Nov 19 12:01 |
| MinceR | [[citation needed]] | Nov 19 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Read the bottom of most Microsoft Mice it has the words logitech MinceR | Nov 19 12:03 |
| oiaohm | That MS mice and logitech mice are the same shape as well is that they are out the same factory. | Nov 19 12:04 |
| MinceR | and who makes m$ keyboards? | Nov 19 12:05 |
| schestowitz | http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/11/18/yahoomsyou/ | Nov 19 12:06 |
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| oiaohm | Logitech most of the cheep ones again MinceR | Nov 19 12:06 |
| MinceR | and what about the non-cheap ones? :> | Nov 19 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Non cheep mice and non cheep keyboard they are really MS prodution. | Nov 19 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Sub contracted production for MS designes. | Nov 19 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Basically the cheep MS branded stuff is logitech designs. | Nov 19 12:08 |
| MinceR | subcontracted to whom? | Nov 19 12:08 |
| oiaohm | Same people they subcontract like Xbox360 production to MinceR | Nov 19 12:08 |
| oiaohm | No different than the people you would go to for getting items mass produced to your design MinceR | Nov 19 12:10 |
| MinceR | in that case, i hope that in the case of the xbox only the design sucked. :> | Nov 19 12:10 |
| MinceR | xbox and xbos 360 | Nov 19 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Also MS took the cheapest bit. | Nov 19 12:11 |
| MinceR | s/os/ox/ | Nov 19 12:11 |
| oiaohm | With first generation xbox360's. | Nov 19 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Not a wise move. | Nov 19 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Few coners were cut in production due to not paying enough. | Nov 19 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Leading to a huge number red ring of deathing. | Nov 19 12:11 |
| MinceR | that's what i'm talking about | Nov 19 12:13 |
| cubezzz | RROD BSOD, what's next I wonder? | Nov 19 12:13 |
| cubezzz | OSOD maybe | Nov 19 12:13 |
| MinceR | i hope next time the company dies | Nov 19 12:13 |
| oiaohm | You missed the RSOD cubezzz | Nov 19 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Red screen of death Vista's new trick. | Nov 19 12:14 |
| cubezzz | yeah, that really makes me want to use it :) | Nov 19 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Blue screens of death under Vista are ment to be only minor problems. | Nov 19 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Except when it gets in a Blue screen of death loop | Nov 19 12:14 |
| cubezzz | can you recover from a BSOD under Vista? | Nov 19 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Most cases yes cubezzz | Nov 19 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Red screen of death is 100 percent sure the system is screwed. | Nov 19 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Basically Vista added classifications to errors. | Nov 19 12:15 |
| oiaohm | One of the few added features to vista I liked. | Nov 19 12:16 |
| cubezzz | you use Vista? | Nov 19 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Nop there other features and cost turned me off. | Nov 19 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Ok what cost I get it free. | Nov 19 12:16 |
| oiaohm | I did testing on it and got a free copy of it. | Nov 19 12:17 |
| oiaohm | That has never been used. | Nov 19 12:17 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: most of the people I know who did testing and got free copies if vista have never used them. | Nov 19 12:32 |
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| MinceR | i wonder if they were counted as copies sold though :> | Nov 19 12:33 |
| oiaohm | With MS all bets are off. | Nov 19 12:33 |
| oiaohm | http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/11/18/bomb-proof-wallpaper-could-save-you-in-a-natural-disaster/ HMMM | Nov 19 12:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Inhabitat » Bomb-Proof Wallpaper Could Save You in a Natural Disaster .::. Size~: 107.7 KB | Nov 19 12:33 |
| MinceR | that wallpaper seems to need strong supports on the ceiling and floor though | Nov 19 12:34 |
| oiaohm | I am more worried that if something hits the supports and brings the building down. | Nov 19 12:38 |
| oiaohm | How hard is it going to be to rescue people with that material on top of them. | Nov 19 12:38 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=21004&tag=trunk;content LOL they are trying to down play chromeOS already. | Nov 19 12:48 |
| oiaohm | zdnet don't really think it threw. | Nov 19 12:52 |
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| tuxmania | hi there | Nov 19 12:52 |
| oiaohm | You are a hardware maker would you want the worlds largest search engine pissed off with you. Google releasing a OS. Could be the push Linux needs. | Nov 19 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Hi tuxmania | Nov 19 12:52 |
| tuxmania | Man i wish i could attend the Google press conference this morning. | Nov 19 12:53 |
| cubezzz | Chrome OS, hmmm | Nov 19 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Google always has something else up sleeve. | Nov 19 12:53 |
| oiaohm | No google press conf is ever 100 percent what you know about. | Nov 19 12:53 |
| tuxmania | Im very curius about the security framework and if they will ship it with dalwik | Nov 19 12:53 |
| cubezzz | Hiner is closed minded | Nov 19 12:54 |
| tuxmania | Hiner? | Nov 19 12:54 |
| cubezzz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=21004&tag=trunk;content | Nov 19 12:55 |
| tuxmania | *reading* | Nov 19 12:55 |
| cubezzz | why do people always say "Linux is unheard of" | Nov 19 12:56 |
| cubezzz | that's a silly comment | Nov 19 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Linux is. | Nov 19 12:56 |
| tuxmania | What a douchebag, Firefox ate IE in just five years | Nov 19 12:56 |
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| oiaohm | But billions use Linux dayly. | Nov 19 12:56 |
| oiaohm | And don't know it. | Nov 19 12:56 |
| oiaohm | How may people have Linux based phones and don't have a clue. | Nov 19 12:56 |
| cubezzz | no idea, what's the number noe Linux phone? | Nov 19 12:57 |
| cubezzz | one | Nov 19 12:57 |
| oiaohm | motterola | Nov 19 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Basically all there phones in the last 3 years cubezzz | Nov 19 12:57 |
| cubezzz | then you are right :) | Nov 19 12:57 |
| cubezzz | it's true, a lot of people are clueless | Nov 19 12:58 |
| cubezzz | I blame the schools for that | Nov 19 12:58 |
| cubezzz | they have to take some of the blame | Nov 19 12:58 |
| oiaohm | There is a lot of fear about supporting Linux due to what MS might do. | Nov 19 12:58 |
| tuxmania | I blame media mostly | Nov 19 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Now who is the more scary Google or MS to have off side. | Nov 19 12:59 |
| cubezzz | what can they do really? | Nov 19 12:59 |
| MinceR | lots of very bad things | Nov 19 12:59 |
| tuxmania | Once MS strangehold on OEMs break, that will be interesting times. Nobody partners with them because they want to but because they dont have a choice. | Nov 19 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | once the big zam is mass produced, the federation will lose!~ | Nov 19 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Google can screw up your product marketing by making it hard to find. | Nov 19 12:59 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft must acquiesce to the customer | Nov 19 12:59 |
| oiaohm | MS can screw you over by not providing correct documentation so you hardware runs suspect. | Nov 19 13:00 |
| tuxmania | Microsoft makes things hard to find on their sites very succesfully. | Nov 19 13:01 |
| cubezzz | the hardware guys can trump Microsoft | Nov 19 13:01 |
| tuxmania | Thanks to Bing i spent five ours trying to find the right version of an old app a couple of days ago. | Nov 19 13:01 |
| cubezzz | just release all the programming docs, Microsoft is out of there | Nov 19 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Only if they have another OS cubezzz | Nov 19 13:02 |
| oiaohm | MS market domination is a big problem. | Nov 19 13:02 |
| tuxmania | I would rather say Microsofts abuse of their market domination is the problem.' | Nov 19 13:02 |
| cubezzz | MIcrosoft shouldn't have won really | Nov 19 13:02 |
| cubezzz | Sun machines were a lot better, way better | Nov 19 13:03 |
| oiaohm | MS threatend to kill google and google has not forgoten. | Nov 19 13:03 |
| cubezzz | before win95 even came out | Nov 19 13:03 |
| tuxmania | IBM should be smacked upside the head for going for QDoS instead of CP/M. | Nov 19 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Google looks to be planing a google phone as well. | Nov 19 13:03 |
| oiaohm | So google could be heavily in the hardware game in 2010. | Nov 19 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Now what would be insane is if they annoucne shipping of a google PC. | Nov 19 13:04 |
| tuxmania | oiaohm: it would make Microsoft shit bricks, for sure. | Nov 19 13:04 |
| cubezzz | people just buy what's on the shelves | Nov 19 13:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Codeplex foundation refusing GPLv3 code and a Microsoft shell: http://i5.be/TS | Nov 19 13:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Milking The GNU: Microsoft forbid the use of GPLv3 on CodePlex... .::. Size~: 35.72 KB | Nov 19 13:05 |
| cubezzz | they really aren't all that discriminating | Nov 19 13:05 |
| tuxmania | CodePlex, what a crap. | Nov 19 13:05 |
| oiaohm | I found a way around that GPLv3 limitation. | Nov 19 13:07 |
| oiaohm | apache version 2.0 joint licenced with GPLv2 | Nov 19 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Its not GPLv3 but its licence limitations are basically the same. | Nov 19 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Nasty trick of licencing you can multi licence stuff. | Nov 19 13:08 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=2560&tag=content;col1 Now I wonder chrome OS and free access points could this be a creative timed abuse. | Nov 19 13:11 |
| tuxmania | That Microsoft wants to discriminate against GPLv3 is pretty telling. | Nov 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Hey, tuxmania | Nov 19 13:14 |
| tuxmania | Hi there | Nov 19 13:14 |
| *schestowitz catches up | Nov 19 13:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Quest to Daemonise Critics of #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/19/demeaning-sensationalism-vs-law/ | Nov 19 13:14 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Quest to Daemonise Critics of Microsoft | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110 KB | Nov 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz | [12:54] <cubezzz> Hiner is closed minded | Nov 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Nov 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | No. | Nov 19 13:15 |
| oiaohm | http://www.codeweavers.com/store/ads/gamerpc/ Now here is a competition and a half. | Nov 19 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hiner is a known Microsoft booster | Nov 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | He admitted this at one stage | Nov 19 13:16 |
| tuxmania | The astroturfers i talk to have really ramped up the trashtalk of Google lately. | Nov 19 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 19 13:17 |
| oiaohm | The war is comming. | Nov 19 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is among the conductors | Nov 19 13:17 |
| tuxmania | They have a hard time finding anything to complain about so its really looks pathetic. | Nov 19 13:17 |
| schestowitz | They ramp up ruining Google's image | Nov 19 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Their TEs do it too | Nov 19 13:17 |
| schestowitz | In their blogs and other people's comments | Nov 19 13:17 |
| schestowitz | They are paid AstroTurfers, whose goals is to warn everyone about evil Google | Nov 19 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Frankly, Microsoft has always been like this "cult" | Nov 19 13:18 |
| oiaohm | What has been lacking is a Linux big enough to brand there own hardware. | Nov 19 13:18 |
| tuxmania | Seen that, and they do it against the law, the TEs. Anonymously. | Nov 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Even government people accused it of being like "Scientology" | Nov 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Google is Microsoft's antoi-Christ | Nov 19 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Google is big enough to brand there own hardware. | Nov 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | So they attack it in coordination | Nov 19 13:18 |
| tuxmania | Heh, everything not Microsoft is their enemy. | Nov 19 13:18 |
| oiaohm | So people could buy google hardware and get stuff that works with Linux would be MS worst nightmare. | Nov 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | tuxmania: no, not really | Nov 19 13:19 |
| oiaohm | People forget Ms did that when starting out as well. | Nov 19 13:19 |
| schestowitz | There's stuff like Citrix, Novell, etc | Nov 19 13:19 |
| cubezzz | Novell and MIcrosoft are enemies :) | Nov 19 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like this expansionist trying to build docile empire | Nov 19 13:19 |
| cubezzz | they really are... | Nov 19 13:19 |
| cubezzz | WP? | Nov 19 13:19 |
| tuxmania | schestowitz: but they are MS puppets | Nov 19 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Don't forget google is currenntly there to take flak. | Nov 19 13:19 |
| schestowitz | If IBM has used Windows in servers, then Microsoft would be happy | Nov 19 13:19 |
| oiaohm | It keeping flak away from cisco systems and others that are lining up to take out MS SBS | Nov 19 13:20 |
| cubezzz | yeah IBM and MIcrosoft are like Fire and water :) | Nov 19 13:20 |
| cubezzz | I bet there's tons of bad blood there | Nov 19 13:20 |
| tuxmania | I really hope atleast one of the other OEMs would grow some. | Nov 19 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Most of the Linux foundation members are on move doing different attacks. | Nov 19 13:20 |
| cubezzz | well there's Dell, and I think HP has a linux laptop now | Nov 19 13:20 |
| cubezzz | buried somewhere | Nov 19 13:21 |
| tuxmania | cubezzz: i cant buy one, and its frankly pretty lame attempts | Nov 19 13:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Just got informed that Dio's event at the Manchester Academy on the 27th has been cancelled! !@%$# | Nov 19 13:21 | |
| tuxmania | Acer was on its way when MS bought them out. | Nov 19 13:21 |
| tuxmania | Dio, thos memories.... | Nov 19 13:22 |
| MinceR | so was Asus | Nov 19 13:22 |
| tuxmania | Dang, i meant Asus | Nov 19 13:23 |
| cubezzz | what did Microsoft do exactly? | Nov 19 13:23 |
| oiaohm | HP has 8 different Linux laptops. | Nov 19 13:23 |
| cubezzz | to ASUS? | Nov 19 13:23 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: MS cut there OS price to negitive little hard to resist . | Nov 19 13:24 |
| cubezzz | huh | Nov 19 13:24 |
| tuxmania | cubezzz: we dont know exactly but Asus VP took stage and apologized about showing a Linux computer at one event. | Nov 19 13:24 |
| cubezzz | well people can still put Linux on there | Nov 19 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Would have been a execusitivy deal. | Nov 19 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Ie You ship only windows. | Nov 19 13:25 |
| oiaohm | We cut price to nothing. | Nov 19 13:25 |
| tuxmania | Problably. | Nov 19 13:25 |
| tuxmania | Highly illegal | Nov 19 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Not that MS cares | Nov 19 13:25 |
| tuxmania | Strange that nobody prods into it. | Nov 19 13:25 |
| oiaohm | They have been caught many times doing it. | Nov 19 13:25 |
| oiaohm | They just pay the fine and keep on doing business tuxmania | Nov 19 13:25 |
| oiaohm | The fine is not large enought to bother MS. | Nov 19 13:26 |
| cubezzz | fined by? | Nov 19 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Really what is a fine capped at 10 mil. | Nov 19 13:26 |
| cubezzz | the Japanese have some stuff out now | Nov 19 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Department of justise in the USA> | Nov 19 13:26 |
| cubezzz | e.g. netwalker | Nov 19 13:26 |
| tuxmania | netwalker= | Nov 19 13:27 |
| tuxmania | ? | Nov 19 13:27 |
| cubezzz | Sharp's PDA/notebook thing | Nov 19 13:27 |
| tuxmania | ok, thanks | Nov 19 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Current day version of Zaurus | Nov 19 13:28 |
| oiaohm | One of the first Linux netbooks before they were called netbooks. | Nov 19 13:28 |
| oiaohm | netwalker has a long history to live upto. | Nov 19 13:28 |
| oiaohm | The god dan Zaurus was basically bomb proff. | Nov 19 13:29 |
| MinceR | i thought Zauruses were PDAs. | Nov 19 13:29 |
| MinceR | btw, can the Netwalker function in a pocket or will it overheat like a laptop? does it need active cooling? | Nov 19 13:29 |
| cubezzz | yeah, the newer ones were like a tiny netbook | Nov 19 13:30 |
| cubezzz | more of a PDA for older ones | Nov 19 13:30 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sharp_Zaurus_SL-C1000_--_open_1280x960.jpg << Theses MinceR | Nov 19 13:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: File:Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000 -- open 1280x960.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 30.79 KB | Nov 19 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Note that is running old MC. | Nov 19 13:30 |
| cubezzz | I bet it gets kind of warm, 800 mhz | Nov 19 13:31 |
| MinceR | that's a PDA with a thumbboard :> | Nov 19 13:31 |
| MinceR | like my PDA/phone | Nov 19 13:31 |
| cubezzz | I'm running mc too :) | Nov 19 13:31 |
| cubezzz | on SL-5500 even | Nov 19 13:31 |
| cubezzz | yeah that pic makes it look big :) | Nov 19 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Freescale arm process 800 mhz | Nov 19 13:32 |
| oiaohm | That is not even running fast enough to need a heat sink | Nov 19 13:32 |
| cubezzz | you would need a pretty big pocket though | Nov 19 13:32 |
| oiaohm | It needs a small heat sink at 1 GHZ | Nov 19 13:32 |
| *MinceR is tempted to use Zaurii as the plural of Zaurus :> | Nov 19 13:32 | |
| cubezzz | 6.33 x 4.25 inches | Nov 19 13:32 |
| MinceR | well, a case with a belt clip works | Nov 19 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Fan at 1.5 GHZ small fan. | Nov 19 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically x86 chips are insane. | Nov 19 13:33 |
| cubezzz | ebay's got a couple netwalkers | Nov 19 13:33 |
| oiaohm | http://durian.blender.org/news/fight-choreography-experiment/ animators at work | Nov 19 13:42 |
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| cubezzz | ARM ftw? | Nov 19 13:48 |
| oiaohm | So what is so strange about that cubezzz | Nov 19 13:49 |
| cubezzz | nothing :) | Nov 19 13:49 |
| cubezzz | I like ARM | Nov 19 13:49 |
| cubezzz | I liked c64 too :) | Nov 19 13:50 |
| cubezzz | and Amiga | Nov 19 13:50 |
| schestowitz | I got some juicy details about a Microsoft crash. I asked if "i can write about it publicly" but I need more references | Nov 19 13:57 |
| tuxmania | BeOS is my top favourite. | Nov 19 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Did anyone hear of major failures in Denmark? | Nov 19 13:57 |
| tuxmania | schestowitz: they keep a lid on those things | Nov 19 13:58 |
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| tuxmania | I would love to find a page about failiures on MS online services like google has | Nov 19 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Google is truthful. | Nov 19 13:58 |
| cubezzz | AmigaOS ftw :) | Nov 19 13:59 |
| tuxmania | schestowitz: looking into denmark | Nov 19 14:02 |
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| tuxmania | schestowitz: not sure but it can have something to do with problems with their election software | Nov 19 14:05 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] ridiculous apple does it again ! http://bit.ly/28goyU | Nov 19 14:16 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: iPhone Apps Have to Be Approved by Robots Now, Too - app store - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 69.64 KB | Nov 19 14:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Denmark Avoids a “Scientology Cult” in IT http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/19/denmark-vs-microsoft-cultists/ | Nov 19 14:26 | |
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| schestowitz | "Re: trash Google articles ..." | Nov 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > Compile a list of trash Google articles. See two in theReg already .. | Nov 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/google_app_engine_and_the_developer/ | Nov 19 14:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google and the myth of the open cloud • The Register .::. Size~: 30.5 KB | Nov 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/google_hand_of_god/ | Nov 19 14:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: When algorithms attack, does Google hear you scream? • The Register .::. Size~: 30.49 KB | Nov 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | I am often told by someone that the register was never the same after their microsoft partnership (around 2005 maybe). | Nov 19 14:27 |
| schestowitz | tuxmania: I tried googling some | Nov 19 14:28 |
| schestowitz | I could find more references (but few) to IBM and DB2 error | Nov 19 14:28 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft fiasco they managed to kep secret | Nov 19 14:28 |
| schestowitz | NHS and LSE (here in the UK) are similar... though shalt not speak, hear, look at what happened.... 3 monkeys | Nov 19 14:29 |
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| tuxmania | The Register is not the same as before. | Nov 19 14:32 |
| tuxmania | The "biting the hands that feeds it" has completely gone. | Nov 19 14:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @swardley flight information is public, anyone mapping the mvmt. of corporate jets so we know which bigwigs are meeting? >>cool idea | Nov 19 14:32 | |
| MinceR | actually it's only now that they bite really | Nov 19 14:33 |
| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/11/decode_genetics_finally_goes_u.php | Nov 19 14:33 |
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| MinceR | after all, m$ tries to destroy IT and they cuddle up to m$ | Nov 19 14:33 |
| schestowitz | They find ways to pay publications | Nov 19 14:34 |
| tuxmania | MinceR: they used to be pretty mean to everyone but lately MS is all the rage. | Nov 19 14:34 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/5801772175 | Nov 19 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | "so the Editor of The Next Web Italy, @Contz, is "Junior PR at Microsoft Italy"; tiny conflict of interest there, perhaps...?" | Nov 19 14:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1000242 | Nov 19 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: Hehe. | Nov 19 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I see you added Glyn's correction to the TOP500 article | Nov 19 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Stacey: "I didn't forget.. I'm grateful you did" | Nov 19 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she just focused on the h/w side | Nov 19 14:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "|Urban Forests Key to International Climate Responses" http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/010768.html | Nov 19 14:56 | |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: why ? | Nov 19 15:00 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: hehehe? | Nov 19 15:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google should be pressured to go odd Flash. http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com/ | Nov 19 15:01 | |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: that was you, right? | Nov 19 15:07 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: which one? | Nov 19 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | GigaOM | Nov 19 15:16 |
| schestowitz | nm | Nov 19 15:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/11/17/scientists-create-bacteria-that-glows-to-reveal-land-mines/ | Nov 19 15:16 |
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| zer0c00l | Paul Frields is denting on recent policy kit controversy http://identi.ca/stickster | Nov 19 15:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] 90% of patents granted in Philippines are to foreigners, call for more patents instead of scraping the patent system: http://i5.be/T3 | Nov 19 15:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/tweetphoto-dan-caufield-fired-legal-threat-wsgr/ | Nov 19 15:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody 10-year-old is tasered by officer in Arkansas - http://bit.ly/2NQ15S how long before it's 9-year-olds, 8-year-olds? | Nov 19 15:41 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Girl, 10, tasered by police officer - Crime & courts- msnbc.com .::. Size~: 48.92 KB | Nov 19 15:41 |
| Ender2070_ | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/19/1342230/GIMP-Dropped-From-Ubuntu-1004?art_pos=3 | Nov 19 15:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Linux Story | GIMP Dropped From Ubuntu 10.04 .::. Size~: 138.88 KB | Nov 19 15:49 |
| Ender2070_ | The removal of GIMP is an attack on free software | Nov 19 15:50 |
| *MinceR feels an ever stronger need for a distro that doesn't suck | Nov 19 15:50 | |
| Ender2070_ | Guess who invented gtk | Nov 19 15:50 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll have to make one myself | Nov 19 15:50 |
| Ender2070_ | GNU Image Manipulation Program | Nov 19 15:51 |
| Ender2070_ | "because of f-spot" | Nov 19 15:51 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I just noticed that gmail splits the thread when the no of replies touches 100; Thanks to "local user get to play?" thread fed-dev list :P | Nov 19 15:51 | |
| Ender2070_ | I see this as nothing but forced advertising | Nov 19 15:51 |
| Ender2070_ | "You dont need gimp, try f-spot w/ mono" | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcxOA | Nov 19 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | AFIAK, F-spot is not in any way funded by Novell | Nov 19 15:54 |
| Ender2070_ | it uses mono though | Nov 19 15:58 |
| Ender2070_ | i bet they would try replacing gimp with paint.net if they could | Nov 19 15:59 |
| Ender2070_ | they might be taking this by steps because paint.net isnt usable yet | Nov 19 15:59 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] A decent loop artist http://ur1.ca/g4rw | Nov 19 16:01 | |
| Ender2070_ | its possible that closer to 10.04 they say "oh why not put this in to replace the functionality you lose by removing gimp" - http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/ | Nov 19 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070_: moles issue | Nov 19 16:19 |
| Ender2070_ | moles issue? | Nov 19 16:19 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft crowd taking over development. Remember: the man who proposed this f-spot for gimp move is a former Microsoft employee, who now works for Canonical | Nov 19 16:19 |
| Ender2070_ | can you link that? | Nov 19 16:20 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Nov 19 16:26 |
| Ender2070_ | [11:24] <Kevin_Kofler> At the point where some of the Fedora GNOME users complained about no F-Spot on the live images, I actually made a serious proposal to ship Digikam on the GNOME spin. ;-) I even offered to help making it use QGtkStyle when running under GNOME and this kind of stuff. They rejected it anyway. ;-) | Nov 19 16:26 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/21/gimp-vs-fspot-in-ubuntu/ | Nov 19 16:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Please Dont Replace the GIMP with F-Spot (Mono) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 135.76 KB | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Kevin should find out if these are mono boosters or real users | Nov 19 16:27 |
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| cubezzz | mono boosters :) | Nov 19 16:31 |
| cubezzz | well, I don't like ubuntu, I tried it once | Nov 19 16:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/18/uk-police-arrest-2-over-zeus-trojan | Nov 19 16:32 |
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| cubezzz | just watch the bouncing Stallman and you can't go wrong | Nov 19 16:32 |
| cubezzz | except for HURD | Nov 19 16:33 |
| MinceR | i haven't found a good replacement for kubuntu so far | Nov 19 16:34 |
| MinceR | even though i really wish i could | Nov 19 16:34 |
| cubezzz | have you tried fedora? | Nov 19 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva 2010.0 | Nov 19 16:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/18/yahoo-go-to-get-the-boot | Nov 19 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | "According to TechCrunch, Google will be holding a special Chrome OS event on Thursday morning, where they will show off demos and give an overview of the product, now said to be launching next year." | Nov 19 16:37 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: i have. it is only willing to install the root fs on ext4 because the installer is retarded. | Nov 19 16:38 |
| MinceR | i didn't feel like hacking my way around that when i hardly even started using the distro. | Nov 19 16:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I earned the Lurker sticker on #GetGlue! http://bit.ly/3Aqn43 | Nov 19 16:38 | |
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| MinceR | and mandriva has broken locale management, resulting in junk error messages in every terminal opened | Nov 19 16:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Energy-hungry television sets will soon be banned across California..." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8367545.stm Good thing. | Nov 19 16:39 | |
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| Ender2070_ | schestowitz - kevin said hes making sure mono is never on the KDE spin as a default | Nov 19 16:40 |
| cubezzz | tiny core is interesting | Nov 19 16:41 |
| cubezzz | quite different from the other distros | Nov 19 16:41 |
| cubezzz | one can make it into a Linux inside a Linux | Nov 19 16:41 |
| Ender2070_ | actually he more or less said the spin won't be "infected with mono" | Nov 19 16:42 |
| cubezzz | tiny core seems like very very good work | Nov 19 16:43 |
| cubezzz | the maintainer is quite a guru | Nov 19 16:43 |
| Ender2070_ | for 10mb i imagine its missing a lot | Nov 19 16:43 |
| cubezzz | yes, but it's extendable | Nov 19 16:44 |
| Ender2070_ | i would need gcc | Nov 19 16:44 |
| cubezzz | if you have an old computer try tiny core | Nov 19 16:44 |
| cubezzz | it's excellent | Nov 19 16:44 |
| Ender2070_ | i have an old pentium 2 | Nov 19 16:45 |
| Ender2070_ | i was going to try plan9 on it | Nov 19 16:45 |
| cubezzz | yeah, Plan 9 was weird | Nov 19 16:45 |
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| cubezzz | I do have this old 486 though | Nov 19 16:46 |
| cubezzz | it's a real clunk, no ethernet card even | Nov 19 16:49 |
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| cubezzz | 486-dx2 powa | Nov 19 16:52 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=325 | Nov 19 16:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pwnage.ca » You dont need GIMP (its too hard!) Try F-spot w/ Mono! .::. Size~: 17.94 KB | Nov 19 16:55 |
| cubezzz | GIMP isn't that hard | Nov 19 16:56 |
| Ender2070 | i know its not | Nov 19 16:58 |
| Ender2070 | its about replacing gimp with paint.mono | Nov 19 16:58 |
| Ender2070 | without a public backlash | Nov 19 16:59 |
| schestowitz | "While Google is remaining mum about all the details, I've learned that they will be demonstrating the new Linux-based Chrome desktop operating system on Thursday, November 19th." | Nov 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Any details on it yet? | Nov 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15118/google_chrome_operating_systems_first_appearance_scheduled | Nov 19 17:01 |
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| Ender2070 | none that i am aware of | Nov 19 17:01 |
| Ender2070 | im going to be looking into it | Nov 19 17:01 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.pcworld.com/article/182597/google_chrome_os_what_we_might_see.html | Nov 19 17:04 |
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| cubezzz | hmmm | Nov 19 17:06 |
| cubezzz | can solaris and fedora co-exist I wonder | Nov 19 17:06 |
| Ender2070 | why not | Nov 19 17:07 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think I'll try it | Nov 19 17:07 |
| Ender2070 | they both use grub | Nov 19 17:07 |
| cubezzz | doh, sparc version :) | Nov 19 17:10 |
| cubezzz | silly me | Nov 19 17:10 |
| cubezzz | but if I ever get a sparc box then I'm all set | Nov 19 17:11 |
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| Ender2070 | lol | Nov 19 17:12 |
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| Ender2070 | opensolaris or solaris? | Nov 19 17:12 |
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| cubezzz | this was Solaris 10 | Nov 19 17:13 |
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| cubezzz | had one lying around | Nov 19 17:14 |
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| cubezzz | you oped mutex? :) | Nov 19 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Mutex is ban-evading again | Nov 19 17:14 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Nov 19 17:14 |
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| cubezzz | guess I'll download open solaris | Nov 19 17:15 |
| cubezzz | I can't use the dvd anyway | Nov 19 17:15 |
| Ender2070 | its smaller too, 700mb | Nov 19 17:15 |
| cubezzz | Sun has a lot of good ideas | Nov 19 17:16 |
| Ender2070 | i like zfs | Nov 19 17:20 |
| Ender2070 | i use it | Nov 19 17:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: "Lucid Ubuntu Developer Summit Videos" http://bit.ly/2c7LG #fb | Nov 19 17:53 | |
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| cubezzz | open solaris looks a lot like Fedora | Nov 19 17:55 |
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| Ender2070 | they both use gnome | Nov 19 18:04 |
| Ender2070 | it should look identical | Nov 19 18:04 |
| cubezzz | except for the dots :) | Nov 19 18:09 |
| Ender2070 | i think opensolaris uses bash too | Nov 19 18:14 |
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| cubezzz | this install is taking a long time | Nov 19 18:31 |
| cubezzz | I think it killed Fedora | Nov 19 18:43 |
| Ender2070 | you probably have to put fedora back into your grub | Nov 19 19:06 |
| cubezzz | I can't see the other partition | Nov 19 19:07 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think opensolaris supports ext4 | Nov 19 19:08 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Nov 19 19:11 |
| cubezzz | can't even find my fedora live cd | Nov 19 19:13 |
| cubezzz | guess I'll burn another one | Nov 19 19:13 |
| cubezzz | ok, then open solaris doesn't co-exist with fedora 11 too well | Nov 19 19:14 |
| cubezzz | and it's pretty slow | Nov 19 19:14 |
| Ender2070 | its faster as a server | Nov 19 19:15 |
| Ender2070 | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=27578 | Nov 19 19:24 |
| cubezzz | ok, ummm | Nov 19 19:25 |
| cubezzz | ok, it's still there | Nov 19 19:28 |
| cubezzz | windows can't see the other partitions | Nov 19 19:28 |
| cubezzz | but fedora 11 can see everything | Nov 19 19:29 |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRO3gKj3qw&feature=player_embedded | Nov 19 19:36 |
| cubezzz | yeah it trashed Fedora | Nov 19 19:50 |
| cubezzz | the partition is there but it's blank | Nov 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Hey, amd-linux | Nov 19 19:51 |
| MinceR | OpenSlowlaris? | Nov 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | 'Open'Solaris | Nov 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | That's what I called it in dozens of threads | Nov 19 19:52 |
| cubezzz | not too pleased :-/ | Nov 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q='open'solaris+schestowitz&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Nov 19 19:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 'open'solaris schestowitz - Google Search .::. Size~: 29.91 KB | Nov 19 19:52 |
| cubezzz | it is pretty slow actually | Nov 19 19:53 |
| amd-linux | Hello Roy. Everybody currently diggin through the Google Chrome OS videos I guess :-) | Nov 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well.. I expected some | Nov 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't want Chrome and ChromeOS to succeed really | Nov 19 19:53 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Nov 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Same for IBM Linux if there was one | Nov 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | IBM doesn't do a distribution precisely /because/ of that | Nov 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | IBM 'proxifies'... uses other companies as long as they are loyal | Nov 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Oracle also enjoys the benefits of being able to just make RHEL trademarks naked | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Notice how they call it,.... | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Chomr | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS... | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | What OS is it? | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "Chrome" | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "Is this a Linux phone?" | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "Nope, it's Gooooooooooogle Android" | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "it's beta!" | Nov 19 19:55 |
| cubezzz | well... | Nov 19 19:56 |
| amd-linux | well, but at least they are doing innovative things with Linux.... 4 sec. boot time is not so bad... | Nov 19 19:56 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: you don't want Chrome OS to succeed because it doesn't mention GNU/Linux in the name? | Nov 19 19:56 |
| MinceR | is it even GNU/Linux or just Linux like Android? | Nov 19 19:57 |
| cubezzz | in the old days the expression was GNU/Linux/X | Nov 19 19:57 |
| EDavidBurg | MinceR: good point, I'm not sure. | Nov 19 19:57 |
| MinceR | was GNU/Linux/X ever used by more than 1 distro? :> | Nov 19 19:57 |
| amd-linux | "Linux" is trademarekd - cant be used commercially for another trademark. So Google had to use something different. | Nov 19 19:58 |
| EDavidBurg | Although in the Chrome OS & Open Source video, they say they contribute to GNU. So I'm guessing that means they use glibc at least. | Nov 19 19:58 |
| amd-linux | Linus is somewhat strict when it comes to enforcing his trademark.... | Nov 19 19:58 |
| cubezzz | Yggdrasil Linux/GNU/X | Nov 19 19:58 |
| cubezzz | I can't think of another one | Nov 19 19:59 |
| cubezzz | late 1992 | Nov 19 19:59 |
| cubezzz | I can't remember if Stallman was beaking about GNU/Linux that far back | Nov 19 19:59 |
| cubezzz | probably he did :) | Nov 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Damn. | Nov 19 20:00 |
| cubezzz | ok, just so everyone knows, OpenSolaris doesn't play nice with Fedora | Nov 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't like it when people send me stories I can't publish | Nov 19 20:01 |
| EDavidBurg | honestly, I'm not that excited about ChromeOS. I'm all for fast boot times, but I'm not a big fan of the cloud computing idea. | Nov 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | It's usually the most juicy things, but too sensitive to go public... I just got one from Europ | Nov 19 20:01 |
| cubezzz | exactly | Nov 19 20:01 |
| MinceR | did they end up putting a weak gui in chrome os? | Nov 19 20:01 |
| cubezzz | not even in here? | Nov 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <EDavidBurg> schestowitz: you don't want Chrome OS to succeed because it doesn't mention GNU/Linux in the name? | Nov 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I didn't say that | Nov 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: you're here to bait and troll | Nov 19 20:01 |
| EDavidBurg | I guess I misunderstood. Can you clarify? | Nov 19 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, but no thanks | Nov 19 20:02 |
| *cubezzz is confused :) | Nov 19 20:03 | |
| schestowitz | I heard you slime us elsewhere, later on | Nov 19 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: he comes from an anti-Linux Web site | Nov 19 20:03 |
| schestowitz | The same people who hijacked this channel last week | Nov 19 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Mutex is one of them, in a way... | Nov 19 20:03 |
| cubezzz | didn't even know it was hijacked | Nov 19 20:03 |
| schestowitz | They pretend to be all goodie, but they are the opposite | Nov 19 20:04 |
| amd-linux | some background infos on "Linux" as a trademark: http://www.linuxmark.org/ | Nov 19 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: we had to break it apart when they began with "hail Hitler" | Nov 19 20:04 |
| MinceR | they can't even pronounce "heil" correctly? :> | Nov 19 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm very ambivalent on the subject of trademarks | Nov 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true | Nov 19 20:05 |
| cubezzz | I don't understand mutex at all | Nov 19 20:05 |
| amd-linux | trademarks are a sharp legal sword, especially picture trade marks... I can tell you.... | Nov 19 20:06 |
| amd-linux | Cars, furniture, trademarks whereevr you look. A minefield comparable to software patents, but in the field of design | Nov 19 20:06 |
| amd-linux | German Telekom i.e. has trademarked the magenta colour it uses | Nov 19 20:07 |
| amd-linux | and boy, they are enforcing it here.... | Nov 19 20:07 |
| MinceR | Deutsche Telekom is a joke anyway | Nov 19 20:07 |
| MinceR | at least here in absurdistan | Nov 19 20:07 |
| amd-linux | where is that? | Nov 19 20:07 |
| MinceR | could be because the local companies they bought were jokes to begin with | Nov 19 20:07 |
| amd-linux | absurdistan = USA? | Nov 19 20:08 |
| amd-linux | just curious | Nov 19 20:08 |
| MinceR | absurdistan = hungary | Nov 19 20:08 |
| amd-linux | ty | Nov 19 20:08 |
| Ender2070 | im afraid their OS will be spyware | Nov 19 20:08 |
| amd-linux | it is FOSS so you can compile it without their "statistic " components | Nov 19 20:09 |
| MinceR | at least it will probably help to break up the m$ hegemony a little | Nov 19 20:09 |
| amd-linux | like Chromium on Linux | Nov 19 20:09 |
| MinceR | like google apps on android? :> | Nov 19 20:09 |
| amd-linux | :-) | Nov 19 20:09 |
| Ender2070 | if it doesnt let you store data on the pc its going to suck | Nov 19 20:09 |
| amd-linux | anyway, they will make MS history, so at the moment their are the smaller evil | Nov 19 20:10 |
| Ender2070 | i dont mind if its cloud-enabled if i can keep my local copies | Nov 19 20:10 |
| MinceR | i'm hoping for more of a divide and conquer type scenario | Nov 19 20:10 |
| amd-linux | and like all empires, they will die from the inside when they good to big | Nov 19 20:10 |
| amd-linux | got too big | Nov 19 20:10 |
| Ender2070 | i hope they kill microsoft before that | Nov 19 20:11 |
| amd-linux | they are already doing this as we speak | Nov 19 20:11 |
| Ender2070 | i root for google because i believe they are the only company in the world that can kill microsoft | Nov 19 20:11 |
| amd-linux | android sales here in Germany are fantastic | Nov 19 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/11/dutch-road-tax/ | Nov 19 20:11 |
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| MinceR | i hope they don't turn earth even more of a dystopia before they die | Nov 19 20:12 |
| amd-linux | the dutch are crazy want you to put a GPS device in your car | Nov 19 20:12 |
| MinceR | s/even/into &/ | Nov 19 20:12 |
| MinceR | i don't think it takes a company other than m$ to kill m$ | Nov 19 20:12 |
| amd-linux | MinceR is a sed fan? ;-) | Nov 19 20:12 |
| MinceR | fan would be an overstatement | Nov 19 20:12 |
| amd-linux | yeah, but Google is accelerating it | Nov 19 20:12 |
| MinceR | but i often use sed and vim, both of which have this command | Nov 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: GPS is good to stop terror~1 :-) | Nov 19 20:12 |
| MinceR | perl has it too | Nov 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Of course, all the terror~2 will enable GPS devices when they drive | Nov 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | If people don't, they will be classified terror~2 | Nov 19 20:13 |
| MinceR | just like all the criminals abstain from obtaining firearms | Nov 19 20:13 |
| amd-linux | heck, for sure as they also always use email for their conspracies and use banks to pay their weapons... | Nov 19 20:13 |
| MinceR | because it would be illegal | Nov 19 20:13 |
| amd-linux | that is why we need email surveillance and anti money laundring rules that remove the last piece | Nov 19 20:14 |
| amd-linux | of privacy | Nov 19 20:14 |
| schestowitz | It's not that they don't use it | Nov 19 20:14 |
| amd-linux | my guess is that the dutch wnat to subsidize TomTom :-) | Nov 19 20:14 |
| amd-linux | with this stupid idea | Nov 19 20:14 |
| schestowitz | But it's wrong to think that if you start eavesdropping they won't go "underground" | Nov 19 20:14 |
| amd-linux | wnat | Nov 19 20:14 |
| amd-linux | want | Nov 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | So you end up punishing those who needn't go underground | Nov 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Those who communicate using vocal chord, pen, and restaurany | Nov 19 20:15 |
| amd-linux | right | Nov 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: yeah, maybe One TomTom Per Child | Nov 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | [or Driver] | Nov 19 20:15 |
| amd-linux | hehe :-) | Nov 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Bail out the TomToms | Nov 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | "It's your ptriotic duty" | Nov 19 20:16 |
| MinceR | bail them out by closing m$ | Nov 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has cronies in NL | Nov 19 20:16 |
| amd-linux | well, Google Maps will soon start to offer real time navigation | Nov 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | They have just signed a Windows deal | Nov 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | FOSS people there were outraged | Nov 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | They have moles whom they pamper to act live TEs or rewarded MVPs | Nov 19 20:17 |
| amd-linux | They are dying. Bribing will not help | Nov 19 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Like van Gouht [sic] | Nov 19 20:17 |
| MinceR | it helps them cause more damage | Nov 19 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is killing its navigation product | Nov 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | There is a death date now | Nov 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Since early this month IIRC | Nov 19 20:18 |
| MinceR | m$ should be terminated immediately, to prevent further damage | Nov 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | MSN something... can't recall exact name | Nov 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: there should be sanctions | Nov 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | A German MP wanted to embargo Microsoft | Nov 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It never went through | Nov 19 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has has former employees INSIDE the Commission | Nov 19 20:19 |
| schestowitz | EU Commission = next US DOJ | Nov 19 20:19 |
| schestowitz | When Microsoft spots a strogn critics it pays it off or fills it up with moles, teaches history | Nov 19 20:19 |
| amd-linux | true, but still that will not help. You can not survive for a long time with inferior products | Nov 19 20:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2356014,00.asp | Nov 19 20:20 |
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| amd-linux | and MS's only state of the art products are their mice and keyboard.... | Nov 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Zune is inferior? | Nov 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Here's the off thing | Nov 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | They take Zune to more countries now | Nov 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Don't know if you've read about it | Nov 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | But... | Nov 19 20:20 |
| amd-linux | Zune is not available in Europe | Nov 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Not Zune HD | Nov 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | They bring out the dinosaur | Nov 19 20:20 |
| MinceR | btw, do you know any non-mozilla browsers with NoScript functionality or add-on? | Nov 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | It's like sending troops to fight F16s | Nov 19 20:21 |
| schestowitz | They'll shoot the sky | Nov 19 20:21 |
| amd-linux | and it all started here in Munich.... | Nov 19 20:21 |
| amd-linux | when MS decided to evade the Munich city taxes and opened their HO in Unterschleissheim.... | Nov 19 20:22 |
| amd-linux | so Munich city council had an easy decision to send tax evaders a clear message.... | Nov 19 20:22 |
| amd-linux | :-) | Nov 19 20:22 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-10401094-266.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Nov 19 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: Microsoft doesn't need to pay tax | Nov 19 20:23 |
| schestowitz | It's doing "God's work" :-) | Nov 19 20:23 |
| schestowitz | We need to bail them out too :-) | Nov 19 20:23 |
| schestowitz | So that they can get their bonuses | Nov 19 20:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] The lovely @jonobacon just made me a cup of coffee. Top community management there jono! #fb | Nov 19 20:23 | |
| MinceR | i'd like to end their problems | Nov 19 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Half a million per employess in bonuses, on average | Nov 19 20:24 |
| amd-linux | like Goldman I guess :-) | Nov 19 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.benzinga.com/personal-finance/42629/barron%E2%80%99s-shows-how-warren-buffett-got-120-return-on-the-goldman-sachs-gs-deal | Nov 19 20:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Barron’s Shows How Warren Buffett Got 120% Return on the Goldman Sachs (GS) Deal | Benzinga.com .::. Size~: 73.5 KB | Nov 19 20:24 |
| schestowitz | BillG's mate is profitiring with banksters after all | Nov 19 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Why am I not surprised? :-D | Nov 19 20:24 |
| amd-linux | gotta go - looking forward for they wave of stories about ChromeOS tomorrow morning.... | Nov 19 20:25 |
| amd-linux | the wave | Nov 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: it's only fair, though. Microsoft brought us the GUI | Nov 19 20:25 |
| MinceR | google wave? | Nov 19 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | They saved computing... brought to the small guy.. :-) | Nov 19 20:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Now we need to save Bill | Nov 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Donate to the Gates Foundation | Nov 19 20:25 |
| MinceR | i recommend euthanasia | Nov 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | It helps Monsanto become richer and charge less for GM seeds | Nov 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: expensive | Nov 19 20:26 |
| MinceR | well worth it | Nov 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | A beast that size needs a lot of sunstance | Nov 19 20:26 |
| MinceR | the alternatives are more expensive | Nov 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Prison? | Nov 19 20:26 |
| MinceR | letting m$ do what it does now | Nov 19 20:26 |
| MinceR | and yes, even prison | Nov 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Na. | Nov 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They can build their own prisons | Nov 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Transoform their HQs maybe | Nov 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Nov 19 20:27 |
| MinceR | that would be a waste of land | Nov 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | It's just the execs who need arresting | Nov 19 20:27 |
| MinceR | and they'd keep wasting oxygen | Nov 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Many in Microsoft just follow orders | Nov 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | It's the crime-doers up above on which it's easy to collect evidence | Nov 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Like in Intel's case | Nov 19 20:27 |
| MinceR | they said the same about the nazis :> | Nov 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Intel? | Nov 19 20:28 |
| MinceR | no | Nov 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | No, I mean, the system there is broken | Nov 19 20:28 |
| MinceR | the 'just following orders' thing | Nov 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | It was set up partly by corrupt individuals | Nov 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | They need to be brought to justice | Nov 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Not fine | Nov 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Not fined | Nov 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | That permits them to carry on | Nov 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I wasn't making this analogy | Nov 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Also, AFAIK they said "it came from above" in Nurnberg | Nov 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Not "following orders" | Nov 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Many in today's companies say "followed orders" | Nov 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Also troops in Iraq | Nov 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Who think that bazookas are some kind of FPS 'fun' | Nov 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Watch what de Icaza is doing. http://infoworld.com/d/open-source/making-money-open-source-still-issue-169 | Nov 19 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | RMS called him a "traitor". When does he get "kicked out of the club," as BillG once put it? | Nov 19 20:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Second Batch of UDS Videos and Interviews" http://bit.ly/1m7Yep #fb | Nov 19 20:48 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Second Batch of UDS Videos and Interviews | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 21 KB | Nov 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/scientology_ddos_teen_jailed/ | Nov 19 20:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: NJ teen jailed over Scientology DDoS • The Register .::. Size~: 27.98 KB | Nov 19 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | The person/s who attacked BN are still walking free out there, never caught or punished | Nov 19 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | It really seems like for the first time ever (I've been in COLA for 4 years) there's a refreshing atmosphere and almost no hostility. Hopefully the trolls never come back, but I doubt it. | Nov 19 20:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/aol_2500_job_cuts/ | Nov 19 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Demonstration Google Chrome OS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLvlqqGjXWk | Nov 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I'll make an ogg | Nov 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Steve Ballmer laughs at Google's Chrome OS! Hilarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVaPZAJaqFM | Nov 19 21:06 |
| Hans_Henrik | kay.. | Nov 19 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | What's up, Hans? | Nov 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | AOL will shed a third of its staff < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1562816/aol-shed-staff > | Nov 19 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Global CIO: Oracle CEO Larry Ellison's Goodbye Letter To European Customers http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/interviews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=221700113 | Nov 19 21:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Video : #Chrome OS (Linux) Introduced http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/19/chrome-os-video/ #ogg | Nov 19 21:30 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Chips_B_Malroy | Nov 19 21:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello Roy | Nov 19 21:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I noticed that a couple of the ARM netbooks that have come out recently have the old Windows CE on them | Nov 19 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Yes, weird | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | They won't sell well | Nov 19 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Since I am not familar with Windows CE, which I believe to be the cell phone older version of Windows Moble | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS targets ARM | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | ANd it's not brown !! | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | CE cannot run 3rd party win s/w | Nov 19 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What I am wondering, is several things about MS Windows CE and Arm | Nov 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://postfixmail.com/blog/index.php/create-virtual-accounts-with-cram-md5/ | Nov 19 21:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dovecot Encrypted Passwords with CRAM-MD5 | Postfix Mail Server Tutorial | PostfixMail.com .::. Size~: 26.15 KB | Nov 19 21:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 1. do you think that MS is trying to put it on these ARM machines, as a way to kill them? As you have stated, they are not going run real windows apps | Nov 19 21:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 2. MS must be dumping CE for ARM | Nov 19 21:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Large Hadron Collider stolen by joyriders http://ur1.ca/g5na Maybe budget too small for security? | Nov 19 21:39 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 3. This looks like a replay of the XP home stategy on Intel based Netbooks with CE on ARM | Nov 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure actually | Nov 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I instinctively think that the OEMs are just darn stupid | Nov 19 21:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Since I have never run CE, I cannot say how krappy it is | Nov 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They assemble parts and then don't realise they can actually put something useful on the gear | Nov 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Google will have marketing prowess | Nov 19 21:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but I think that CE is pre 98SE maybe | Nov 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | But i'd rather see debian on these babies | Nov 19 21:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Nov 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | CE is kind of legacy | Nov 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | WIndows Mobile too | Nov 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | WM7 will have nothing special | Nov 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | More promises and vaporware | Nov 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile they bleed market share | Nov 19 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they'll have 1% left to play with... | Nov 19 21:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | still, it would be interesting to educate your readers, if CE is an POS | Nov 19 21:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if you have readers with that type of experience | Nov 19 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Some residents are petitioning here | Nov 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I declined | Nov 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I'm back... | Nov 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: but BN people don't deal with CE | Nov 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | That's the type of thing that fits with Daily Links | Nov 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I also decided to do more advocacy with videos and stuff | Nov 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | To appear less negative, which I'm not | Nov 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Writing about CE only gives visibility to a dying project | Nov 19 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | GNU Linux and Google will have to compete with CE as it has to with Vista7 | Nov 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and buy the ZUNE.... before it's a rare memorabilia item | Nov 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, CE is not competitive | Nov 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Did you see it? | Nov 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | If they don't do Vista7 ARMament, they're f*ed | Nov 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Basically, it's down to cost | Nov 19 21:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but so far it seems to be the way MS is keeping Linux off ARM in the USA, with C E | Nov 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Google will pay for OEMs to use its wares | Nov 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybe anticompetitive, but I want them to dry Microsoft up before worrying about Google | Nov 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <Chips_B_Malroy> yes, but so far it seems to be the way MS is keeping Linux off ARM in the USA, with C E | Nov 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | No, with moles and cronies | Nov 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | US is a tough nut | Nov 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | The lackeys from NPD love doing US-onyl Big Lies | Nov 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It's different elsewhere | Nov 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | As amd-linux said earlier (he had left before you came), Linux is big in Germany and sells well | Nov 19 21:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I will not buy windows or ms products, ever. Buying their products only gives the Borg more amunion to do evil | Nov 19 21:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as in patents etc | Nov 19 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Many people buy a computer and pay the Vole | Nov 19 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Not by choice | Nov 19 21:56 |
| schestowitz | It's a bundle, like tax | Nov 19 21:56 |
| schestowitz | In Canada you pay the MAFIAAsos when you buy any storage device | Nov 19 21:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I refuse to buy a computer new with MS on it. I build my own desktops, and buy used laptops | Nov 19 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | buying MS only supports their lawsuits like the fat32 one | Nov 19 21:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | CE is interesting though, in what MS is attempting to do with it on ARM | Nov 19 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have to wonder if CE was even still supported by MS | Nov 19 22:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as its that old, being that Mobile has several versions pass it | Nov 19 22:00 |
| MinceR | isn't mobile based on ce? | Nov 19 22:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Nov 19 22:01 |
| MinceR | that is, ce is some sort of base system and mobile includes some gui elements and (horribly bad) phone functionality and the like? | Nov 19 22:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | supposedly, but I have no experience with CE or Moble | Nov 19 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe Goblin does have | Nov 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but Mobile is kinda kaput-ing | Nov 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Along with Zune | Nov 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | That whole branch of code becomes useless | Nov 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Not many devices running it | Nov 19 22:02 |
| MinceR | well, everything m$ is dying | Nov 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | No margins | Nov 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | No units | Nov 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | =no revenue | Nov 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | =no wage for WM devs | Nov 19 22:02 |
| MinceR | too slowly though | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | They can kick this dead horse | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | They lose a lot of money there | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <MinceR> well, everything m$ is dying | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | They have cash cows | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | That changes over time | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Margins-wise | Nov 19 22:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As people need to be educated that Seven is really Vista, so do they need to be warned that CE is old and maybe a pile | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | And they dump | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Lots of dumping | Nov 19 22:03 |
| MinceR | what do they have now? | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Even bribery | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | They think rich Uncle Bill will take the tab | Nov 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | BUT.... | Nov 19 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They just borrow money now | Nov 19 22:04 |
| MinceR | well, i can tell from experience that WM is a horrible pile of crap | Nov 19 22:04 |
| schestowitz | And use lackeys like Moody's (recommendation for sale) to prop it up, IMHO | Nov 19 22:04 |
| MinceR | alarms are unreliable, it has no concept of DST and it's horribly slow | Nov 19 22:04 |
| schestowitz | AMD borrows money also | Nov 19 22:04 |
| MinceR | phone functionality has horrible delays in its controls | Nov 19 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I used a mate's WM device for about an hours | Nov 19 22:05 |
| MinceR | the setting to display the clock in place of the battery status in the taskbar randomly fails | Nov 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Underwhelmed at the time | Nov 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I tried to have it working with my Palm's CD content | Nov 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | *SD | Nov 19 22:05 |
| MinceR | sadly, most pda/phone os-es suck horribly | Nov 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | iPhone makes my giggle | Nov 19 22:05 |
| MinceR | it's like they aren't even trying | Nov 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | A bunch of icons and useless function | Nov 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Now it can copy and paste!! | Nov 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | well, some of them are trying, but they're trying to do the exact opposite of what's needed | Nov 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | (hypePhone OS, android) | Nov 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | (oh, and webOS) | Nov 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | So much hype sums it up realluy | Nov 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | To tell you the truth, my friend who has G1 does not like Android | Nov 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | He also hated WM though | Nov 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | "There's a cr*p for that, too" | Nov 19 22:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I owned a version of windows ce at one time, it came in a big junkbox, an orginial disk. Wonder if I still have it, did not have a phone or anything to put it on | Nov 19 22:09 |
| schestowitz | "App......" | Nov 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I guess Apple doesn't think its customer can cope with big words like "application" | Nov 19 22:10 |
| MinceR | i wonder how usable symbian is | Nov 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Widely used | Nov 19 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | symbian sounds like its about to become an orphan, if I read your article correctly Roy | Nov 19 22:11 |
| MinceR | well, windows is widely used, yet i wouldn't say it's usable | Nov 19 22:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | While Vista/7 might seem like the battle for the desktop, it could actually be CE | Nov 19 22:14 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/362592/ | Nov 19 22:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fedora 12 lets unprivileged users install packages [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 111.05 KB | Nov 19 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: probably folded and merged into Maemo | Nov 19 22:15 |
| MinceR | that would be nice | Nov 19 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Ha. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/linux_unix/article.php/3849061/Use-Samba-With-Windows-7-Clients.htm | Nov 19 22:16 |
| MinceR | hm, any info on Bada besides the press release? :) | Nov 19 22:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Fedora 12 is letting limited users install trusted programs, but the article states that it is really policykit that is doing this | Nov 19 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Symbian has the same problem as WM | Nov 19 22:16 |
| schestowitz | They are expensive to maintain and expand | Nov 19 22:16 |
| schestowitz | They can't charge for the OS | Nov 19 22:17 |
| MinceR | (and that it's perhaps based on enligtenment) | Nov 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Nokia at least sells h/w with it | Nov 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't, not yet | Nov 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | And Linux is usually free | Nov 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Android is | Nov 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | So who would pay for symbian and WM development? | Nov 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Bada is Ballnux | Nov 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Apt names, too | Nov 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Bada is Ballda's nickname | Nov 19 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Samsung has Linux patent deal with Ballmer | Nov 19 22:18 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2009-11.html#e2009-11-19T00_43_58.txt | Nov 19 22:20 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | wonder what the return rate will be on Windows CE ARM smartbooks when users find out its not "real windows," and therefore will not run their "real windows" software and games? | Nov 19 22:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 19 22:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Droid-by-Motorola-and-Google-Chrome-OS/ | Nov 19 22:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Droid by Motorola sales hit 250K - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 67.79 KB | Nov 19 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: arm+games? | Nov 19 22:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on CE | Nov 19 22:22 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: what should i look out for on that page? | Nov 19 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a lot of people will think that CE is Windows | Nov 19 22:23 |
| MinceR | well, it is | Nov 19 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Regarding COLA trolls, I got this: | Nov 19 22:23 |
| schestowitz | > They've all been summoned to Redmond for training on the next round of | Nov 19 22:23 |
| schestowitz | > propaganda assault. Talking points to be memorized etc. | Nov 19 22:23 |
| schestowitz | CE stands for c* edition? What does the C stand for? ;-) | Nov 19 22:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 19 22:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as its called Windows CE, so many in the public will think it will run their XP programs. Just like many thought Vista Basic would run Aero | Nov 19 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | another lawsuit maybe, if no disclosure on the box? | Nov 19 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Later all, keep up the good fight for Freedom on the desktop | Nov 19 22:27 |
| MinceR | i hope there will be a lawsuit about that | Nov 19 22:27 |
| MinceR | o/ | Nov 19 22:27 |
| schestowitz | This dude works with Microsoft and bashes Chrome OS now... http://ostatic.com/blog/crazy-google-kids-at-it-again-with-chrome-os | Nov 19 22:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Crazy Google Kids at it Again with Chrome OS .::. Size~: 36.02 KB | Nov 19 22:27 |
| schestowitz | It'll be sad when many "OSS" blogs will be filled with potential shafters | Nov 19 22:28 |
| schestowitz | He also wrote an anti-BN article | Nov 19 22:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Tesco Value Internet enters the broadband market http://notnews.today.com/?p=744 | Nov 19 22:30 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/cxgames-linux/win-a-codeweavers-linux-gaming-rig.html | Nov 19 22:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard why do you keep putting breasts on Mister Brown? Is there something you want to say? | Nov 19 22:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Brass version of "Personal Jesus" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McuZKbYg4IE | Nov 19 22:45 | |
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| schestowitz | http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2009-11.html#e2009-11-19T00_43_58.txt | Nov 19 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Nice google just named the web os with chrome Os a item people have always talked about as a possiable windows killer. | Nov 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-downgrade-gnome-display-manager-2-28-to-2-20-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html | Nov 19 23:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How to Downgrade Gnome Display Manager 2.28 to 2.20 in Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) | Ubuntu Geek .::. Size~: 40.45 KB | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: seen the video? | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Looks potent | Nov 19 23:17 |
| oiaohm | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/11/19/2159242/Microsoft-Denies-It-Built-Backdoor-Into-Windows-7 Hmm does Windows 7 still have NSA signing key. | Nov 19 23:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot IT Story | Microsoft Denies It Built Backdoor Into Windows 7 .::. Size~: 138.84 KB | Nov 19 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Seen video schestowitz. Now if kde picks up web applicaiton intergration then we will have a killer. | Nov 19 23:20 |
| oiaohm | The old NSA signing key setup techicically allowed NSA to man in middle windows update. | Nov 19 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Who needs to ship with a rootkit when you can man in middle the update system. | Nov 19 23:21 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.ddj.com/embedded/221800122;jsessionid=3Y0KGVNUQPD51QE1GHRSKHWATMY32JVN?pgno=2 O boy someone just design a very poorly defined cpu. One instruction alone fixed defined. | Nov 19 23:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Linux Outlaws ep122 http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/ogg/122 #linux #foss | Nov 19 23:35 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Outlaws 122 - In a Gnome Shell | Linux Outlaws .::. Size~: 21.3 KB | Nov 19 23:36 |
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| oiaohm | http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2009-11.html#e2009-11-19T00_43_58.txt << This you cannot take the last core off line the kernel will not allow it. Ie its sane. | Nov 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/how-to-autostart-any-program-when-gnome-desktop-session-starts/. | Nov 19 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: any Linux connection in DDJ? | Nov 19 23:42 |
| oiaohm | The DDJ was just of interest. Now if altering around instruction sets become simple cracking firmwares could be come a migrain from hell schestowitz | Nov 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Huge amount of Linux news today, oiaohm | Nov 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Will take an hour just to organise... | Nov 19 23:50 |
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