| cubezzz | they are thieves | Nov 29 00:00 |
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| yuhong | To be honest, what helped was that it was tied to a piece of hardware. | Nov 29 00:00 |
| yuhong | If it was bought with that piece of HW, the price of Altair BASIC was low, otherwise it was high | Nov 29 00:00 |
| cubezzz | stole computer time on ARPA-purchased PDP-10 in Aiken Computation Laboratory | Nov 29 00:01 |
| schestowitz | http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/education/university/article_fee53aae-dadb-11de-921d-001cc4c03286.html | Nov 29 00:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: After Supreme Court clerkship, UW grad returns to teach at law school .::. Size~: 54.78 KB | Nov 29 00:02 |
| yuhong | Unfortuately, that piece of HW had many problem, and the price of the the software without that piece of HW had to be dropped. | Nov 29 00:02 |
| yuhong | BTW, if you are wondering what that piece of HW was and what problem it had, hold on, it will take a while to describe. | Nov 29 00:03 |
| cubezzz | we are (almost) under the control of big corporations | Nov 29 00:03 |
| yuhong | Anyone remember the S-100 bus. | Nov 29 00:03 |
| yuhong | I know. | Nov 29 00:03 |
| cubezzz | yes :) | Nov 29 00:03 |
| yuhong | Anyone remember the S-100 bus. | Nov 29 00:03 |
| cubezzz | I know about S-100 | Nov 29 00:03 |
| yuhong | It originated in the Altair. | Nov 29 00:03 |
| yuhong | Back in 1975, made by Ed Roberts. | Nov 29 00:04 |
| cubezzz | I'm not positive, but I don't think Commodore used S-100 bus | Nov 29 00:05 |
| cubezzz | is MITS still in business? | Nov 29 00:06 |
| yuhong | That piece of HW was a 4K DRAM card for the S-100 bus made by Altair. | Nov 29 00:06 |
| yuhong | No, it was sold to Pertec. | Nov 29 00:06 |
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| yuhong | It was needed to run Altair BASIC | Nov 29 00:06 |
| cubezzz | got the URL finally | Nov 29 00:07 |
| cubezzz | take that flash frontend | Nov 29 00:07 |
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| cubezzz | wasn't Altair usign SRAM? | Nov 29 00:09 |
| yuhong | For the 1K card, yes. | Nov 29 00:10 |
| cubezzz | 1K yeah | Nov 29 00:10 |
| cubezzz | like the KIM-1 | Nov 29 00:10 |
| yuhong | The 4K card used DRAM, and that was where the troubles came in. | Nov 29 00:11 |
| cubezzz | what was the problem? | Nov 29 00:11 |
| Ender2070 | i've seen Pirates of Silicon Valley | Nov 29 00:13 |
| cubezzz | check this URL out: | Nov 29 00:14 |
| cubezzz | mms://rx-wes-sea156.rbn.com/farm/pull/tx-rbn-sea007:1459/wmtencoder/cspan/cspan/wmlive/cspan4db.asf | Nov 29 00:14 |
| cubezzz | is that evil or what? :) | Nov 29 00:15 |
| trmanco | I bet VLC can read that crap | Nov 29 00:19 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: | Nov 29 00:20 |
| cubezzz | oh I can read it | Nov 29 00:20 |
| schestowitz | yo | Nov 29 00:20 |
| yuhong | Oops, mistake. | Nov 29 00:20 |
| Ender2070 | asf files are amusing | Nov 29 00:20 |
| Ender2070 | the only video format I know if that can get infected | Nov 29 00:20 |
| schestowitz | containments | Nov 29 00:21 |
| cubezzz | it's just wmv3 | Nov 29 00:21 |
| Ender2070 | the asf container is flawed tho | Nov 29 00:21 |
| cubezzz | I just needed to get the real URL | Nov 29 00:21 |
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| yuhong | DRAM S-100 cards were troublesome in the early days. | Nov 29 00:22 |
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| cubezzz | I just wanted to see cspan on Linux :) | Nov 29 00:22 |
| yuhong | CompuPro for example was vocal about only using SRAM cards for this bus. | Nov 29 00:22 |
| yuhong | Part of it was the memory refresh. | Nov 29 00:23 |
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| yuhong | Because of the troubles, other vendors made 4K SRAM cards. | Nov 29 00:25 |
| cubezzz | you need to watch those Ampersands | Nov 29 00:25 |
| cubezzz | SRAM ftw | Nov 29 00:25 |
| yuhong | That had less trouble, but then Altair BASIC was far more expensive (something like $80 vs $500) | Nov 29 00:26 |
| cubezzz | what am I downloading schestowitz? :) | Nov 29 00:26 |
| yuhong | Ed Roberts later had to reduce the $500 to $200. | Nov 29 00:27 |
| yuhong | Because of the troubles. | Nov 29 00:27 |
| cubezzz | yeah the first thing I noticed was the TRS-80 Model 1 | Nov 29 00:28 |
| cubezzz | or the Commodore PET, maybe | Nov 29 00:28 |
| cubezzz | Radio Shack advertised more | Nov 29 00:28 |
| oiaohm | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29679/53/ Antivirus company pulls out the crystal ball. | Nov 29 00:32 |
| cubezzz | what viruses? | Nov 29 00:35 |
| *cubezzz blinks | Nov 29 00:35 | |
| yuhong | What was particularly sad about this episode was that back in 1980, IBM was the evil giant. | Nov 29 00:35 |
| cubezzz | I remember 1980 :) | Nov 29 00:36 |
| cubezzz | the time of Commodore PETs, Apple II, and TRS-80 Model 1 | Nov 29 00:37 |
| cubezzz | and mini-computers | Nov 29 00:37 |
| cubezzz | KIM-1 was relatively cheap | Nov 29 00:38 |
| yuhong | IBM inadvertently helped MS became a monopoly by choosing it for the IBM PC. | Nov 29 00:38 |
| cubezzz | too bad I never got one | Nov 29 00:38 |
| yuhong | What was really sad was why IBM ended up having to do this, discussed above. | Nov 29 00:39 |
| oiaohm | http://durian.blender.org/news/production-update/ You never know who will come out the wood work when open movie is in production. | Nov 29 00:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Durian » Blog Archive » Production update .::. Size~: 18.93 KB | Nov 29 00:39 |
| oiaohm | yuhong: costs that simple. | Nov 29 00:39 |
| cubezzz | yuhong, the bad time or dark ages is over | Nov 29 00:39 |
| yuhong | What do you mean? | Nov 29 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Dos was cheeper than anything else in the OS market at the time IBM was making the XT. | Nov 29 00:40 |
| cubezzz | we have cheap computers, Free OS, Free BIOSes | Nov 29 00:40 |
| yuhong | I know. | Nov 29 00:40 |
| oiaohm | IBM never had any idea the XT would even sell large numbers. | Nov 29 00:40 |
| yuhong | Yea, that helped. | Nov 29 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Reason why MS fears Linux so much is that is cheaper than them. | Nov 29 00:40 |
| yuhong | It was more than just costs. | Nov 29 00:40 |
| cubezzz | and that you can download the source code :) | Nov 29 00:41 |
| oiaohm | No ibm paperwork over them taking up Dos was pure costs yuhong | Nov 29 00:41 |
| cubezzz | extrapolate into the future... what will happen? | Nov 29 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Ibm did not even bother making MS execusive. | Nov 29 00:41 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Nov 29 00:41 |
| yuhong | Not just costs, though it helped. | Nov 29 00:41 |
| cubezzz | believe me, IBM does not like Microsoft | Nov 29 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Dos was a rough clone of CP/M yuhong | Nov 29 00:42 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Nov 29 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes a really rough clone. | Nov 29 00:42 |
| yuhong | But I already discussed that incident above. | Nov 29 00:42 |
| cubezzz | genie is out of the bottle now, no going back | Nov 29 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Ibm had the idea of selling CP/M as the main OS. | Nov 29 00:42 |
| oiaohm | If what IBM had planed had worked the world would have been a lot better place. | Nov 29 00:42 |
| yuhong | Exactly. I already discussed that story above. | Nov 29 00:43 |
| oiaohm | But mice and men apply. | Nov 29 00:43 |
| oiaohm | IBM was one of the first major supporters of Linux in the hardware world. | Nov 29 00:43 |
| yuhong | And SCP sold that clone to MS. | Nov 29 00:43 |
| cubezzz | seems idiotic now :) | Nov 29 00:43 |
| oiaohm | IBM hates MS really. | Nov 29 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Sun also hates MS. | Nov 29 00:43 |
| oiaohm | MS double crossed there major supporters. | Nov 29 00:44 |
| yuhong | Yep, the JDA was broken in 1991. | Nov 29 00:44 |
| cubezzz | the gloves are off now | Nov 29 00:44 |
| oiaohm | We are not at war yet. | Nov 29 00:44 |
| cubezzz | if they were over on :) | Nov 29 00:44 |
| yuhong | And IBM ended up going their own way with PC-DOS and OS/ | Nov 29 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Its only the warm up. | Nov 29 00:45 |
| oiaohm | PC-DOS is MS DOS yuhong | Nov 29 00:45 |
| cubezzz | war is over, Microsoft will lose | Nov 29 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Ie PC-DOS is the one IBM bought. | Nov 29 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly yet. cubezzz | Nov 29 00:45 |
| yuhong | Yep, was MS-DOS. | Nov 29 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Reactos vs Linux is still to come. | Nov 29 00:45 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Nov 29 00:45 |
| cubezzz | the Linux community will not use Reactos | Nov 29 00:46 |
| cubezzz | not the hardcore anyway | Nov 29 00:46 |
| ender2070 | nobody will use reactos | Nov 29 00:46 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 00:46 |
| oiaohm | What about the Windows Community. | Nov 29 00:46 |
| ender2070 | they'll use windows | Nov 29 00:46 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, perhaps | Nov 29 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Reactos at this stage a highly unstable version of windows ender2070 | Nov 29 00:47 |
| yuhong | The story seem to have scrolled off. | Nov 29 00:47 |
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| ender2070 | oiamhm - its been that way for 10+ years | Nov 29 00:48 |
| cubezzz | what I don't get is why is windows getting more expensive? | Nov 29 00:48 |
| yuhong | The DR/IBM story. | Nov 29 00:48 |
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| cubezzz | shouldn't they be dropping their prices? | Nov 29 00:48 |
| oiaohm | yuhong: the same rules that applied when IBM did the deal with MS. | Nov 29 00:48 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - i got win7 for free legally, isnt that a price drop? | Nov 29 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Cheepest wins in the end. | Nov 29 00:48 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 00:48 |
| cubezzz | well, even for free I don't want it, but that's a phiosophical thing | Nov 29 00:49 |
| oiaohm | You already have free cubezzz | Nov 29 00:49 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm pretty happy :) | Nov 29 00:50 |
| cubezzz | except for the laptop situaton | Nov 29 00:50 |
| cubezzz | man, I can't type today | Nov 29 00:50 |
| cubezzz | situation | Nov 29 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty side unless reactos can get that under control it will be there undoing. | Nov 29 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Linux to attack windows networks. Needs a working ADS and matching Linux client management system. | Nov 29 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Schools say they decide software that is used in business. | Nov 29 00:52 |
| oiaohm | At current time line direct attack on windows at the network level will be 2010. | Nov 29 00:52 |
| cubezzz | this machine predates Altair by years: | Nov 29 01:03 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datapoint_2200 | Nov 29 01:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Datapoint 2200 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 31.58 KB | Nov 29 01:03 |
| oiaohm | lack of mouse cubezzz | Nov 29 01:17 |
| oiaohm | alto is the first in the modern day configuration. But there were a lot of earlly ones. | Nov 29 01:19 |
| cubezzz | yes I'd rather have the alto :) | Nov 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft CFO quit | Nov 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Prices too low | Nov 29 01:20 |
| cubezzz | get back to me when Ballmer quits | Nov 29 01:21 |
| schestowitz | And it's not price that harms Microsoft. Linux just outperforms Windows, esp. in servers | Nov 29 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer is insane, he would not quit | Nov 29 01:21 |
| schestowitz | He'd have nothing to do, no friends | Nov 29 01:21 |
| cubezzz | could he be fired? | Nov 29 01:24 |
| cubezzz | if Microsoft starts to lose... | Nov 29 01:24 |
| MinceR | In Soviet Microsoft, management fires stockholders. ;) | Nov 29 01:25 |
| cubezzz | http://www.valleyofthegeeks.com/News/BallmerKiss.html | Nov 29 01:26 |
| ender2070 | Windows doesn't even support 4096 CPU's | Nov 29 01:27 |
| MinceR | maybe it will support 4096bit CPUs instead | Nov 29 01:30 |
| ender2070 | but only 16tb of ram | Nov 29 01:30 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 01:30 |
| MinceR | it will eat all the ram anyway | Nov 29 01:30 |
| trmanco | lol | Nov 29 01:30 |
| MinceR | maybe it will come with m$sql to help wasting ram | Nov 29 01:31 |
| trmanco | "just buy a new supercomputer" | Nov 29 01:31 |
| ender2070 | the crazy thing is | Nov 29 01:31 |
| cubezzz | you really need to update to windows 10 :) | Nov 29 01:31 |
| ender2070 | winodws 8 128-bit? win7 can't even support the max ram of the 64-bit arch | Nov 29 01:31 |
| MinceR | is that what they're going to call windows nt 6.4? :> | Nov 29 01:31 |
| MinceR | wait, it's nt 6.2 sp2 | Nov 29 01:32 |
| cubezzz | the update gravy train has stopped | Nov 29 01:32 |
| MinceR | there isn't even any 128bit cpu | Nov 29 01:32 |
| cubezzz | probably smaller more efficient systems will dominate | Nov 29 01:32 |
| ender2070 | they must be planning the requirements | Nov 29 01:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 29 01:32 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - +1 | Nov 29 01:33 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - it will happen as the "global warming" scare freaks ppl out | Nov 29 01:33 |
| cubezzz | "Windows 4D will solve every problem" | Nov 29 01:33 |
| cubezzz | "it has that extra dimension" | Nov 29 01:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 29 01:34 |
| ender2070 | it hogs so much resources that we had to confine it to its own dimension | Nov 29 01:34 |
| MinceR | is it really just a "scare", ender2070? | Nov 29 01:34 |
| ender2070 | we have some impact, but all the planets are warming up | Nov 29 01:34 |
| MinceR | are they? | Nov 29 01:34 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 29 01:35 |
| MinceR | citation needed. | Nov 29 01:35 |
| ender2070 | yeah hold on | Nov 29 01:35 |
| ender2070 | ill be a while i heard this a year or two ago | Nov 29 01:35 |
| ender2070 | http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2006/12dec/RICR-061203-SUB.html | Nov 29 01:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Red Ice Creations Radio - Jerry E. Smith - Global Warming .::. Size~: 7.78 KB | Nov 29 01:36 |
| ender2070 | faster than I thought | Nov 29 01:36 |
| ender2070 | good old site: search | Nov 29 01:36 |
| MinceR | there are planets outside the solar system, you know :> | Nov 29 01:38 |
| MinceR | also, i'm not a subscriber | Nov 29 01:38 |
| ender2070 | http://www.livescience.com/environment/070312_solarsys_warming.html | Nov 29 01:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds | LiveScience .::. Size~: 34.72 KB | Nov 29 01:38 |
| ender2070 | also after 1990 our planet is in the process of "solar brightening" | Nov 29 01:40 |
| ender2070 | more radiation is going to hit the planet | Nov 29 01:40 |
| ender2070 | if governments and companies were "really" concerned with global warming they would take actions against China | Nov 29 01:41 |
| cubezzz | no snow in November is not something I remember :) | Nov 29 01:41 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: I don't think Microsoft can survive without crime | Nov 29 01:41 |
| MinceR | isn't too convincing | Nov 29 01:41 |
| schestowitz | And they need a thug on top | Nov 29 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Look at their products | Nov 29 01:41 |
| ender2070 | MinceR - boths sides aren't very convincing | Nov 29 01:41 |
| cubezzz | I like the idea of a DIY OS, even a DIY computer | Nov 29 01:41 |
| schestowitz | They just float on garbage like Windows, abuse of standards like Silver Lie, and outright corruption like OOML (for Office) | Nov 29 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I mant to answer cubezzz | Nov 29 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Not ender2070 | Nov 29 01:42 |
| schestowitz | [01:24] <cubezzz> could he be fired? | Nov 29 01:42 |
| ender2070 | MinceR - I look at the actions the world actually takes, they are using global warming as an excuse to be more totaltarian. instead of putting sanctions on china and other countries that are poluting the world to death. | Nov 29 01:42 |
| schestowitz | McCain wanted to make Ballmer CHinese ambassador | Nov 29 01:42 |
| schestowitz | This says a lot about how the neocons view China | Nov 29 01:43 |
| ender2070 | I don't believe for one minute, D-link's green routers aren't made the exact same way as their non green routers. They are all made in china. | Nov 29 01:43 |
| ender2070 | software doesn't = green | Nov 29 01:43 |
| schestowitz | China makes a lot for the West | Nov 29 01:43 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, perhaps they use less wattage? | Nov 29 01:43 |
| schestowitz | So you can't just blame China | Nov 29 01:43 |
| schestowitz | They have a big population | Nov 29 01:44 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - my multi meter says otherwise | Nov 29 01:44 |
| cubezzz | ah well then | Nov 29 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Per capita they are not big polluter | Nov 29 01:44 |
| MinceR | perhaps they've reduced the CO2 output of the manufacturing process? | Nov 29 01:44 |
| schestowitz | The military industrial complex (US) is by far the biggest polluter per capita | Nov 29 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Also a huge assassin | Nov 29 01:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe durign Olympics :-) | Nov 29 01:45 |
| schestowitz | This way, when cameras point at landscape or sky you can see s/t | Nov 29 01:45 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - china surpassed the united states as top polluter | Nov 29 01:45 |
| ender2070 | MinceR - not so, they even have extra paint on the box claiming "green" | Nov 29 01:46 |
| ender2070 | I believe theres a lot of charletons who are pushing global warming to further their own agendas. | Nov 29 01:46 |
| ender2070 | regardless of if its a problem or not | Nov 29 01:46 |
| ender2070 | its like the organic label | Nov 29 01:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 29 01:47 |
| ender2070 | "we're green buy us", meanwhile their competitor doesnt claim green but has better fabs | Nov 29 01:47 |
| MinceR | it's entirely possible that the "green" label is not regulated or not properly regulated | Nov 29 01:48 |
| MinceR | and is thus meaningless in many cases | Nov 29 01:48 |
| ender2070 | its not regulated at all | Nov 29 01:48 |
| ender2070 | canada is trying to regulate it, but you still have grandfathering cases that are exempt | Nov 29 01:48 |
| *MinceR has a green desktop background! | Nov 29 01:49 | |
| ender2070 | once the law is actually in place im reporting d-link | Nov 29 01:49 |
| ender2070 | i hate those guys | Nov 29 01:49 |
| MinceR | they're fiasco systems, right? | Nov 29 01:49 |
| ender2070 | d-link is network hardware, routers, switches, hubs, etc | Nov 29 01:50 |
| MinceR | i know that | Nov 29 01:50 |
| ender2070 | you don't think the C02 tax will effect how countries regulate population control? | Nov 29 01:51 |
| MinceR | i don't know about the CO2 tax | Nov 29 01:51 |
| ender2070 | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6909046.ece | Nov 29 01:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Carbon ration account for all proposed by Environment Agency - Times Online .::. Size~: 115.89 KB | Nov 29 01:51 |
| MinceR | and who will collect that tax? and what will they use it for? | Nov 29 01:52 |
| ender2070 | http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=2443 | Nov 29 01:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Put carbon tax on babies: academic .::. Size~: 21.83 KB | Nov 29 01:53 |
| ender2070 | "Now a radical proposal to reduce population growth has been published in the Medical Journal of Australia - a carbon tax on babies." | Nov 29 01:53 |
| ender2070 | once it happens in Australia, they'll push it elsewhere | Nov 29 01:54 |
| MinceR | i'm sure pushing some money around will magically fix everything | Nov 29 01:54 |
| ender2070 | thats what im trying to say | Nov 29 01:54 |
| ender2070 | its totaltarian | Nov 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:45] <ender2070> schestowitz - china surpassed the united states as top polluter | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | So the US outsourced some | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Go to a US household | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Look around you | Nov 29 01:55 |
| ender2070 | everything is made in china | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | A lot was manufactured in China | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Parts of furniture, drawer knobs, electronics... | Nov 29 01:55 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 29 01:55 |
| MinceR | i think it's just old-fashioned organized robbery (in one word, taxation) | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | SOme might be assembled in the US, but components are made cheaply | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Nov 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Poor regulation | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | No minimum wage | Nov 29 01:56 |
| ender2070 | its all made in china because its cheaper there, and its cheaper there because nobody cares about the environment so they dont have regulation | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Or small threshold | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | And no environmental regulation | Nov 29 01:56 |
| MinceR | not just the environment, also the workforce | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | So the 'nuisance' of emission cutdown is not there | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Look at BillG's investments in Africa | Nov 29 01:56 |
| ender2070 | the workforce gives less than two shits because thye might get 30 cents a day | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | He's killing many Nigerian kids | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | cheap oil | Nov 29 01:56 |
| MinceR | exactly | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | No filtering of gases | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | =$$$ | Nov 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | And the bugger pretends to save them | Nov 29 01:57 |
| schestowitz | By using the pharma cartel he's a SHAREHOLDER of to get them dependent on the stuff | Nov 29 01:57 |
| ender2070 | they should tax products coming out of china | Nov 29 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe to cure some of the same diseases he and his cronies cause with their oil wars | Nov 29 01:57 |
| schestowitz | [01:49] * MinceR has a green desktop background! | Nov 29 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Black is the next green | Nov 29 01:58 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - a lot of stuff is made in taiwan as well and they dont pollute as much | Nov 29 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 29 01:59 |
| schestowitz | And Vietnam | Nov 29 01:59 |
| ender2070 | Tailand | Nov 29 01:59 |
| schestowitz | I think Cambodia is embargoed | Nov 29 01:59 |
| ender2070 | Malaysia | Nov 29 01:59 |
| schestowitz | For being "Muslim" | Nov 29 01:59 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Or something like that... | Nov 29 01:59 |
| MinceR | if black is the new green then red is the new yellow and blue is the new cyan :> | Nov 29 01:59 |
| MinceR | also, magenta is the new white | Nov 29 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists" -- George W Bush | Nov 29 01:59 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 02:00 |
| MinceR | taiwan is china too -- the republic of china :> | Nov 29 02:00 |
| ender2070 | perhaps thats why they literally add their critics to the no fly list | Nov 29 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Tibet.... | Nov 29 02:00 |
| ender2070 | taiwan is not china | Nov 29 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Or harass them at airports | Nov 29 02:00 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: "Their" | Nov 29 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Meaning the neocons' | Nov 29 02:01 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 29 02:01 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: everything is CHina | Nov 29 02:01 |
| schestowitz | The globe will be Red | Nov 29 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Like in those anti-Soviet clips | Nov 29 02:01 |
| ender2070 | hehe | Nov 29 02:01 |
| schestowitz | China is the new US :-) | Nov 29 02:01 |
| schestowitz | :-( | Nov 29 02:01 |
| ender2070 | we need to bring those back | Nov 29 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they wait for the dollar to collapse | Nov 29 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Not CA dollar | Nov 29 02:02 |
| ender2070 | terrorists are pussies, we need to fight communists | Nov 29 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Obama can use NAFTAA as cushion | Nov 29 02:02 |
| schestowitz | The "AA" is deliberate | Nov 29 02:02 |
| schestowitz | OBAMAA likes his biggest supporters | Nov 29 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | [campaign funders] | Nov 29 02:02 |
| schestowitz | He got a lot from the banks too | Nov 29 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Now he repays them | Nov 29 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Using taxpayers' money | Nov 29 02:03 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: wel... | Nov 29 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Communists you can at least identify | Nov 29 02:03 |
| schestowitz | "Are you a communist?" | Nov 29 02:03 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 29 02:03 |
| schestowitz | "yes" | Nov 29 02:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 29 02:03 |
| schestowitz | "Are you a terrorist" | Nov 29 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Everyone would say "no" | Nov 29 02:03 |
| ender2070 | hehe | Nov 29 02:03 |
| MinceR | most of those people don't even know what communism is | Nov 29 02:04 |
| ender2070 | everything is ok :D | Nov 29 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Aye | Nov 29 02:04 |
| ender2070 | people didnt admit to being communists when it was considered taboo | Nov 29 02:04 |
| ender2070 | unless they were committing professional suicide | Nov 29 02:04 |
| ender2070 | now its okay, cause corps want a sovietized system where they are in control | Nov 29 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Terrorists don't know that they are | Nov 29 02:06 |
| schestowitz | They are in denial | Nov 29 02:06 |
| schestowitz | "Fighting for national independence" or something | Nov 29 02:07 |
| ender2070 | well ill agree with that if we assume half of the terrorists were labeled because of their views | Nov 29 02:07 |
| schestowitz | On the other side, terrorists also "fight for democracy" | Nov 29 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Even if the to-be-liberated people don't ask for it | Nov 29 02:07 |
| ender2070 | ie, hes a terrorist cause he doesnt want to war with iraq | Nov 29 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Terrorist is an image now | Nov 29 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Like some guy called "Muhammad" | Nov 29 02:08 |
| ender2070 | we're even being branded terrorists | Nov 29 02:08 |
| schestowitz | So Tim McVeig they would call something else | Nov 29 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Like "white supremacist" | Nov 29 02:08 |
| schestowitz | *McVeigh | Nov 29 02:08 |
| schestowitz | We could play a game | Nov 29 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Like "I'm his wife too" | Nov 29 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Everyone ears a t-shirt saying "terrorist" | Nov 29 02:09 |
| schestowitz | *wears | Nov 29 02:09 |
| amarsh04 | I'm Spartacus/Brian/a terrorist | Nov 29 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Those too shy to wear it will be assumed "nervous" and thus "terrorists" | Nov 29 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Like that scam about "spotters" at airport that can sense nervousness from a distance | Nov 29 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Many suicide bombers are said not to be nervous | Nov 29 02:10 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 02:10 |
| schestowitz | So another Hollywood Plot as startegy | Nov 29 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Another famous one is photogaphy | Nov 29 02:11 |
| schestowitz | No evidence of any incident preceded by mapping | Nov 29 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Some used Google Earth | Nov 29 02:11 |
| schestowitz | So that too is considered danger | Nov 29 02:11 |
| schestowitz | When in fact that could just buy a map at the shop anyway | Nov 29 02:11 |
| amarsh04 | "where are you nuclear wessels?" | Nov 29 02:12 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, more grub testing... | Nov 29 02:13 |
| ender2070 | hahahaha | Nov 29 02:13 |
| ender2070 | star trek 4 | Nov 29 02:13 |
| ender2070 | "and a double dumbass on you" | Nov 29 02:13 |
| ender2070 | http://defensetech.org/2003/05/20/darpa-wants-your-life-indexable-and-searchable/ | Nov 29 02:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DARPA WANTS YOUR LIFE INDEXABLE AND SEARCHABLE | Defense Tech .::. Size~: 52.25 KB | Nov 29 02:13 |
| ender2070 | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703574604574500580285679074.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#printMode | Nov 29 02:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Copenhagen Agreement and a Scary U.N. Power Grab. - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 115.18 KB | Nov 29 02:14 |
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| ender2070 | "The aim is to give a new as yet unnamed U.N. body the power to directly intervene in the financial, economic, tax and environmental affairs of all the nations that sign the Copenhagen treaty." | Nov 29 02:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #ChromeOS (Linux) Has Real Market Appeal http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-gnulinux-developers-dont-get-about.html | Nov 29 02:15 | |
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| schestowitz | The way I see it, they want to serve big oil companies for cash, then get what they call "blowback" and in turn use it to strip off legal rights, too | Nov 29 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Some countries don't have these issues because they put civil rights before oil and empire | Nov 29 02:16 |
| schestowitz | So to an extent terrorism threat is real | Nov 29 02:17 |
| schestowitz | But it's caused for a reaon | Nov 29 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Aggressive uninvited invasions | Nov 29 02:17 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: Copenhagen treaty ridiculed by RMS today | Nov 29 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Lip service, plans to reduce pace if increase in pollution rather than address the problem | Nov 29 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Like telling a crack junkie to take just half a dose per day | Nov 29 02:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Dual-Screen #Subnotebook Runs #GNU #Linux http://www.gadgetvenue.com/kohjinsha-dualscreen-dx-netbook-sale-11273602/ | Nov 29 02:19 | |
| ender2070 | it also takes 2% of our countries income and gives it to 3rd world countries so they stop polluting | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| ender2070 | http://nationalexpositor.com/News/1285.html | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Michigan Provides #GNU #Linux Training http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20091126/NEWS03/911260331 | Nov 29 02:20 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: $300,000 in grants used for IT training | lansingstatejournal.com | Lansing State Journal .::. Size~: 57.09 KB | Nov 29 02:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CERN Talks About Its Use of #GNU #Linux http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49304408,00.htm | Nov 29 02:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Runs in 47% of Shops http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/the-perfect-purchase-cycle-server-os-software/139427 | Nov 29 02:22 | |
| schestowitz | ender2070: bailout of banks is more important | Nov 29 02:23 |
| schestowitz | $$$ (for top .000%) >> Earth's atmosphere, islands | Nov 29 02:24 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 29 02:24 |
| ender2070 | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6933284.ece | Nov 29 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Taxpayers pay in debt for their grandchildren so that GOldman can be $17,000,000,000 in BONUSES for one year!! Half a million in BONUSES per employee after going bust | Nov 29 02:24 |
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| ender2070 | "Blair may have ‘signed in blood’ to topple Saddam a year before war" | Nov 29 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 29 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Early 2001 | Nov 29 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Bush rang | Nov 29 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Minister reveals | Nov 29 02:25 |
| schestowitz | But Rockefeller said it around the same time | Nov 29 02:25 |
| ender2070 | "Sir Christopher Meyer, Britain’s Ambassador to Washington in the run-up to the war, said an agreement to aim for “regime change” may have been reached during a private meeting at the President’s Crawford ranch in April 2002." | Nov 29 02:25 |
| schestowitz | He said there would be a major event that would lead to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Venezuela | Nov 29 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Oil hotspots | Nov 29 02:26 |
| schestowitz | The journalist blew the whistle on him | Nov 29 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Standard Oil Foreva! | Nov 29 02:26 |
| ender2070 | http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/lorrie_goldstein/2009/11/26/11929441-sun.html | Nov 29 02:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why 'climategate' won't stop greens | Lorrie Goldstein | Columnists | Comment | Ottawa Sun .::. Size~: 64.06 KB | Nov 29 02:26 |
| ender2070 | "Now they and their media shills -- who sneered that all who questioned their phony "consensus" were despicable "deniers," the moral equivalent of those who deny the Holocaust -- are the ones in denial about the enormity of the scandal enveloping them." | Nov 29 02:27 |
| ender2070 | "The problem, however, is those who hijacked science to predict a looming Armageddon unless we do exactly as they say, have already done their damage." | Nov 29 02:27 |
| ender2070 | http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/uh-oh-raw-data-in-new-zealand-tells-a-different-story-than-the-official-one/#more-13215 | Nov 29 02:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Uh, oh raw data in New Zealand tells a different story than the official one. « Watts Up With That? .::. Size~: 510.08 KB | Nov 29 02:30 |
| ender2070 | http://www.prisonplanet.com/tv-environmentalist-goes-nuts-over-climategate.html | Nov 29 02:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Alex Jones Prison Planet.com » TV Environmentalist Goes Nuts Over ClimateGate .::. Size~: 267.81 KB | Nov 29 02:31 |
| ender2070 | "Begley appeared on Fox News yesterday to react to the explosive story of the hacked CRU emails which prove that climate scientists affiliated with the UN IPCC altered temperature data models in order to “hide the decline” in global warming since the 1960’s, as well as engaging in academic witch hunts to ensure the work of skeptical scientists was blocked from appearing in peer-reviewed journals." | Nov 29 02:32 |
| schestowitz | They replied | Nov 29 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Taken out of context | Nov 29 02:33 |
| ender2070 | lolz | Nov 29 02:33 |
| ender2070 | an interesting question | Nov 29 02:34 |
| ender2070 | why does the UN have something called the "Weather Warfare Treaty" which bans weather manipulation weapons | Nov 29 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Cols winters? | Nov 29 02:36 |
| schestowitz | *ld | Nov 29 02:36 |
| schestowitz | From nuclear impact? | Nov 29 02:36 |
| ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Prohibition_of_Military_or_Any_Other_Hostile_Use_of_Environmental_Modification_Techniques | Nov 29 02:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Environmental Modification Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 23.83 KB | Nov 29 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Pollution in atmophere | Nov 29 02:36 |
| ender2070 | no | Nov 29 02:36 |
| ender2070 | literal weather weapons | Nov 29 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Biological warfare essentially | Nov 29 02:36 |
| schestowitz | No food | Nov 29 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Starvation | Nov 29 02:36 |
| ender2070 | such as a device that could cause an earthquake | Nov 29 02:37 |
| ender2070 | or cause the planet to heat up | Nov 29 02:37 |
| ender2070 | HAARP | Nov 29 02:37 |
| schestowitz | gn | Nov 29 02:38 |
| ender2070 | http://www.haarp.net/ | Nov 29 02:39 |
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| ender2070 | "HAARP will zap the upper atmosphere with a focused and steerable electromagnetic beam. It is an advanced model of an "ionospheric heater." (The ionosphere is the electrically-charged sphere surrounding Earth's upper atmosphere. It ranges between 40 to 60 miles above the surface of the Earth.)" | Nov 29 02:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] on the way to dhinkia to join anti-posco padayatra. | Nov 29 03:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #padayatra against corporate assault on #orissa coast begins today ! #orissaresistance | Nov 29 03:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #Padayatra against corporate assault on #orissa coast begins today! #orissaresistance | Nov 29 03:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: #padayatra against corporate assault on #orissa coast starting today! #orissaresistance | Nov 29 04:01 | |
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| willimm | Haven't talked in a while. | Nov 29 04:03 |
| willimm | Haven't talked in a while. | Nov 29 04:04 |
| willimm | ... | Nov 29 04:04 |
| willimm | I guess this place is dead. | Nov 29 04:04 |
| willimm | Or maybe because I am chatting at arount 10:00 CST and it's like midnight over in their time. | Nov 29 04:05 |
| *willimm is patient, I'll wait. | Nov 29 04:05 | |
| amarsh04 | Hi willimm | Nov 29 04:05 |
| amarsh04 | daylight in .au | Nov 29 04:05 |
| willimm | well, it's 10:00 in my time. | Nov 29 04:06 |
| willimm | Or so. | Nov 29 04:06 |
| amarsh04 | 14:33 here | Nov 29 04:06 |
| willimm | 10:00 PM. | Nov 29 04:07 |
| willimm | Not AM. | Nov 29 04:07 |
| *willimm is happy it was a 4 day weekend. | Nov 29 04:07 | |
| amarsh04 | so you are in the general vicinity of Maddison Wisconsin USA? | Nov 29 04:07 |
| willimm | How did you know??!??! | Nov 29 04:08 |
| willimm | ... | Nov 29 04:08 |
| willimm | amarsh04: I am in Madison, WI. | Nov 29 04:08 |
| willimm | How did you know? | Nov 29 04:09 |
| *willimm is wondering how you found my location | Nov 29 04:09 | |
| willimm | ... | Nov 29 04:09 |
| amarsh04 | your originating ip address on the info in my irc program has: | Nov 29 04:09 |
| amarsh04 | adsl-99-154-2-6.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net | Nov 29 04:09 |
| amarsh04 | just took a while to make it copy-and-paste able | Nov 29 04:10 |
| willimm | amarsh04: And I'm a FSF member. | Nov 29 04:10 |
| willimm | FSF = Free Software Foundation | Nov 29 04:10 |
| willimm | In case you diddn't know. | Nov 29 04:11 |
| amarsh04 | good... I still have to dig up some information for rms - he actually answers his emails | Nov 29 04:11 |
| willimm | What's rms' email address? I want to know. | Nov 29 04:12 |
| willimm | amarsh, I want to know rms's email address. | Nov 29 04:13 |
| amarsh04 | hang on... | Nov 29 04:13 |
| *willimm is working on fine tuning his recently built LFS system | Nov 29 04:14 | |
| willimm | LFS = Linux from Scratch | Nov 29 04:15 |
| amarsh04 | rms@gnu.org | Nov 29 04:16 |
| willimm | Thanks. | Nov 29 04:16 |
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| ender2070 | You're an FSF member who doesn't know rms@gnu.org ? | Nov 29 04:16 |
| amarsh04 | I just run Debian | Nov 29 04:16 |
| willimm | ender2070: I never looked up RMS's email address. | Nov 29 04:18 |
| willimm | Until it was given to me. | Nov 29 04:18 |
| amarsh04 | if you call asking for it "looking it up" (-: | Nov 29 04:19 |
| willimm | Anyway, where's Roy? | Nov 29 04:19 |
| willimm | My bet is that he's fast asleep, and won't come untill tommrow. | Nov 29 04:19 |
| amarsh04 | for the amount of work he puts into boycottnovell.com I don't think he is lazy by any stretch of the imagination | Nov 29 04:20 |
| willimm | I know, but he needs rest. | Nov 29 04:21 |
| willimm | Changing the subject about free software video: I really don't like the propiortary Nvidia drivers, but I have to use them for 3D, which I need, because I want to use OpenGL. | Nov 29 04:23 |
| willimm | That's why I'm getting an ATI Radeon HD 5770 (very killer card) for my next computer upgrade. | Nov 29 04:23 |
| willimm | They are working on free software DRI drivers for Nvidia, but it dosen't support 3D. | Nov 29 04:24 |
| willimm | ... | Nov 29 04:24 |
| amarsh04 | I didn't realise that the HD 5770 card was supported by radeonhd yet | Nov 29 04:27 |
| Balrog | willimm: those free software drivers for nvidia will eventually have 3d, but that's far off | Nov 29 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, the 5770 isnt that fast | Nov 29 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | its only as fast as a 4890 | Nov 29 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | (while using a lot less watts) | Nov 29 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the 5750 lines up with a 4850 | Nov 29 04:29 |
| amarsh04 | one family member had a pc with a radeon 9600 that played extremetuxracer fine | Nov 29 04:29 |
| amarsh04 | I have a radeon 9200se in this machine - no fan on the graphics card | Nov 29 04:30 |
| willimm | Diablo-D3: About the 5770, you can Crossfire it to get it as fast as a 5870 or so. | Nov 29 04:32 |
| amarsh04 | I'd rather a machine that could play full motion dvd quality video and sound with free drivers and passive cooling than something that ate power and made the room hot | Nov 29 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | willimm: not really worth it | Nov 29 04:33 |
| willimm | Diablo-D3: Then I'll stick with the 5770. | Nov 29 04:33 |
| willimm | It's a VERY good card anyway. | Nov 29 04:33 |
| willimm | ... | Nov 29 04:34 |
| willimm | ....... | Nov 29 04:35 |
| willimm | Well, it will blow me away... | Nov 29 04:35 |
| willimm | I love high end graphics. | Nov 29 04:36 |
| willimm | Haldo? | Nov 29 04:36 |
| ender2070 | im probably gonna go intel graphics next time | Nov 29 04:38 |
| willimm | ender2070: I don't really use Intel now. | Nov 29 04:38 |
| willimm | And it's not high powered. | Nov 29 04:38 |
| ender2070 | its good enough | Nov 29 04:39 |
| ender2070 | i avoid amd myself | Nov 29 04:39 |
| willimm | ender2070: It's your option, but I like AMD/ATI better, and sometimes I use Nvidia. | Nov 29 04:40 |
| ender2070 | I have nvidia right now | Nov 29 04:40 |
| willimm | Me too, for now. | Nov 29 04:41 |
| ender2070 | i had a 4850 but it was complete shit | Nov 29 04:41 |
| ender2070 | now i have a 9800 GTX+ | Nov 29 04:41 |
| willimm | Hmm, I'll look into it, and it seems very good, I'll try it, it's probaly a good idea... | Nov 29 04:44 |
| willimm | The card you mentioned: | Nov 29 04:45 |
| willimm | was more affordable than the one I was going to get. I'l look into it. | Nov 29 04:46 |
| willimm | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339 | Nov 29 04:46 |
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| willimm | Ab 135 dollars, a steal for the quality of this. | Nov 29 04:46 |
| willimm | And I'll think of SLI'ng it sometime. | Nov 29 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.latimes.com/features/home/la-hm-parentology14-2009nov14,0,3412672.story | Nov 29 04:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sending your child away -- latimes.com .::. Size~: 117.89 KB | Nov 29 04:50 |
| cubezzz | ok, got cspan working on f11 | Nov 29 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | you could put hardcore porn on C-Span and nobody would ever know | Nov 29 04:59 |
| cubezzz | Jesse Jackson is complaining about something at the moment :) | Nov 29 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: The Nazis (which would be any white person) are in a mass conspiracy to put poison in the drinking water that only kills "African-Americans" | Nov 29 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | of course | Nov 29 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | Jesse Jackson is a racist | Nov 29 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | as racist as they get | Nov 29 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | of course, people like fewa mistakenly believe that only white people can be racists | Nov 29 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | they also are presumptuous gasbags that call black people "African Americans" | Nov 29 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | political correctness | Nov 29 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | nobody else that has never been a citizen of any other country or continent would ever demand that you call them something like that | Nov 29 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | black people get hung up over saying an incorrect phrase that does not describe people | Nov 29 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | just to not hurt feelings I guess | Nov 29 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose if someone actually came here from Africa, they would be an African-American | Nov 29 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | but it could easily be a white person from South Africa or something, then what do you do? | Nov 29 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | people have been so conditioned to think African American = Black that you'd really blow their minds if you showed them a real American who came from the African continent that was white | Nov 29 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | they'd blow a fuse because you used the term in a valid context | Nov 29 05:10 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - f11? | Nov 29 05:13 |
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| DaemonFC | I dunno whether to buy a Blu Ray player or an upscaling DVD player | Nov 29 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | the DVD players that do that start around $35, and the Blu Ray players start around $128 | Nov 29 05:17 |
| ender2070 | best ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdq4Llr-K-s | Nov 29 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably just get a HDMI hookup and let my XBOX 360 be my upconversion DVD player | Nov 29 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | the Monster Cable HDMI cable for the 360 is actually cheaper than the Microsoft one by $10 | Nov 29 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's the first time I've seen Monster cables look like a bargain | Nov 29 05:19 |
| ender2070 | yeah really | Nov 29 05:26 |
| ender2070 | usually they are a monster rip off | Nov 29 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: They sell those cables at Walmart | Nov 29 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | an HDMI cale should run no more than $30 | Nov 29 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | Monster sells them for $80 | Nov 29 05:27 |
| ender2070 | $14.99 | Nov 29 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | *cable | Nov 29 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: a shielded one? | Nov 29 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | about 6-8 feet | Nov 29 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | about $30 | Nov 29 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | the cables cost as much as some upscaling DVD players | Nov 29 05:28 |
| ender2070 | http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=024218&cid=CAB.383.359 | Nov 29 05:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Canada Computers - Cables & Adapters > Video > HDMI : Belkin HDMI Audio Video Cable, 12ft. - 3.7m (AM22302TT12) - Open Box. .::. Size~: 60.84 KB | Nov 29 05:29 |
| ender2070 | i was thinking hdmi 1.0 which is cheaper | Nov 29 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | I found a player for $29 on Walmart's site | Nov 29 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know that the upscaling would do a lot for a DVD. Would it? | Nov 29 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | I mean it's just stretching the image | Nov 29 05:29 |
| ender2070 | think about expanding a 640x480 wallpaper to 1024x768 | Nov 29 05:30 |
| ender2070 | same idea | Nov 29 05:30 |
| ender2070 | hdmi is kind of a waste of money atm anyways | Nov 29 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure the DVD player does smooth the image and such, right? | Nov 29 05:31 |
| ender2070 | it'll still look like shit on your hd tv | Nov 29 05:31 |
| ender2070 | what brand tv do you have | Nov 29 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | Emerson | Nov 29 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | it surprised me actually | Nov 29 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | I thought the bargain basement TV might have a lousy picture or bad speakers or something | Nov 29 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | it does as well as sets that cost a lot more | Nov 29 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | all this stuff comes off the same lines anyway | Nov 29 05:33 |
| ender2070 | is it refurbished? | Nov 29 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's not as much brand difference as there once was | Nov 29 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Nov 29 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | new | Nov 29 05:34 |
| ender2070 | wow | Nov 29 05:34 |
| ender2070 | thats pretty good for emerson, you're lucky | Nov 29 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | I got it as a Walmart loss leader on Friday's sale | Nov 29 05:34 |
| ender2070 | the screens are designed by only a few companies | Nov 29 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | people were lined up across the store for 44 TV sets | Nov 29 05:34 |
| ender2070 | last I heard there were 3 companys that made them | Nov 29 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | and I got mine B-) | Nov 29 05:34 |
| ender2070 | well as long as it works, you got a good deal | Nov 29 05:35 |
| ender2070 | one of the places I used to work at had mountains of refurbished emerson products | Nov 29 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | they sold them for $248 and after the sale, Walmart.com put them back up for $318 | Nov 29 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | so I saved quite a lot by bothering to stand in line | Nov 29 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=11987734 | Nov 29 05:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Walmart.com: Emerson 32" Class LCD HDTV, LC320EMXF: TVs .::. Size~: 153.34 KB | Nov 29 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I'm not real worried about it | Nov 29 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest difference between this and the $400 Samsung is probably the software | Nov 29 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | the Walmart here doesn't have any 32" sets under $399 now | Nov 29 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | so I wasn't about to pay that for a television, but I didn't want to get stuck with some dinky little 19" display which is what you normally get on $250 | Nov 29 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | I always wait til Black Friday for electronics | Nov 29 05:40 |
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| DaemonFC | my last TV got my a punch across the face from some pissed off redneck at the sale | Nov 29 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | the cops were there doing security though, so they asked if I wanted to press charges and I told them yes | Nov 29 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 29 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | *got me | Nov 29 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know who tries to start a fight like 10 feet away from a couple of police officers | Nov 29 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | over a television | Nov 29 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | there's some that stupid I guess | Nov 29 05:42 |
| ender2070 | i still enjoy my 29" standard def | Nov 29 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I have that 27" CRT Samsung set in the kitchen now | Nov 29 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | only place I felt like dragging it | Nov 29 05:44 |
| ender2070 | hehe | Nov 29 05:44 |
| ender2070 | mine is light, its a newer one | Nov 29 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | it weighs 101 pounds | Nov 29 05:44 |
| ender2070 | i have component, composite and coaxial | Nov 29 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Well, at the time (2004), Kmart had it for like $198 for Black Friday | Nov 29 05:45 |
| ender2070 | i got mine used from a friend | Nov 29 05:45 |
| ender2070 | they upgraded to an hdtv | Nov 29 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | I just wanted an HD display and didn't really understand a lot about them | Nov 29 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | mistakes I did not repeat this time | Nov 29 05:46 |
| ender2070 | not much makes use of HD yet | Nov 29 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | the CRT one has no HD tuner and no HDMI or DVI | Nov 29 05:46 |
| ender2070 | the only thing I own thats hdmi is my laptop and desktop | Nov 29 05:46 |
| ender2070 | thats all I could hook up to it | Nov 29 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's also a 4:3 and not a 16:10, so the XBOX 360 output at 1080i (widescreen resolution) looks warped | Nov 29 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | this Emerson set I have now only tells you it does 720p, but it also does 1080i | Nov 29 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have that listed on the box, it's on page 34 of the manual | Nov 29 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | and I tested that out with my 360 | Nov 29 05:47 |
| ender2070 | once im done paying my dell lease I might order a tv from them | Nov 29 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, I read the manual | Nov 29 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 29 05:48 |
| ender2070 | i want to hook my laptop up to a tv with hdmi and run boxee | Nov 29 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | saves a lot of time and trouble later when the TV is doing something strange and you don't know how to make it stop | Nov 29 05:48 |
| ender2070 | i have a media center right now running xbmc for linux | Nov 29 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | and by that time, you may well have lost the manual as well... | Nov 29 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I used DVI to hook the TV up as my computer monitor briefly | Nov 29 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | just cause I wanted to see how it worked | Nov 29 05:49 |
| ender2070 | my laptop has real hdmi | Nov 29 05:50 |
| ender2070 | not dvi | Nov 29 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | my video card has VGA, DVI, and HDMI capabilities | Nov 29 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't have a HDMI cable | Nov 29 05:50 |
| ender2070 | the cables are such a rip off | Nov 29 05:50 |
| ender2070 | im not sure you even have to worry about shielding | Nov 29 05:51 |
| ender2070 | its digital cable | Nov 29 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | the only things HDMI does that DVI doesn't is HDCP for Blu Ray copy protection, and audio | Nov 29 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Nov 29 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's not real important to me | Nov 29 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | on the PC | Nov 29 05:51 |
| ender2070 | DVI does HDCP | Nov 29 05:51 |
| ender2070 | not audio | Nov 29 05:51 |
| ender2070 | the audio is the addition | Nov 29 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | oh | Nov 29 05:51 |
| ender2070 | my pc monitor has hdcp | Nov 29 05:51 |
| ender2070 | hdcp is stupid | Nov 29 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | so since my GPU and my monitor are both HDCP compliant, I could watch full resolution Blu Ray discs if I buy I drive? | Nov 29 05:52 |
| ender2070 | if I use the nvidia driver and unplug my monitor for any reason, i have to reboot the pc | Nov 29 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | over DVI? | Nov 29 05:52 |
| ender2070 | yes daemon | Nov 29 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | hooray! | Nov 29 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | no expensive cables and bullshit | Nov 29 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 29 05:52 |
| ender2070 | you'll still need hdmi if you want to output to your tv | Nov 29 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's the turnoff, buying a player and then still needing a $30 cable | Nov 29 05:53 |
| ender2070 | its stupid | Nov 29 05:53 |
| ender2070 | cause they think people will steal movies that way | Nov 29 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's even more of an insult if you get a cheapo upscaling DVD player and the cable is more expensive than the DVD player | Nov 29 05:53 |
| ender2070 | people steal the movies anyways bypassing hdcp completely | Nov 29 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | people already dump DVDs to their hard drive | Nov 29 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | why do they care that the image has been stretched? | Nov 29 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it would make the picture that much better | Nov 29 05:54 |
| ender2070 | stretched looks like shit | Nov 29 05:54 |
| ender2070 | you'll see a sort of graininess | Nov 29 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I rented some DVDs last night to watch on the new TV | Nov 29 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | played them at 480P over component with the 360 | Nov 29 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | it looked fantastic already | Nov 29 05:55 |
| ender2070 | watch something hi def on it | Nov 29 05:55 |
| ender2070 | and the dvd will make you scratch your eyes out | Nov 29 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: The only HD videos I've seen are in VC-1 format as part of XBOX 360 games | Nov 29 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | it does look beautiful though | Nov 29 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | shame Comcast has no HD programming | Nov 29 05:56 |
| ender2070 | i think you can get some BBC hidef videos for free | Nov 29 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | we don't get BBC here unless we take the Digital Classic package | Nov 29 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'm on Digital Starter | Nov 29 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'm on a $20 a month deal for this package that doesn't expire til August | Nov 29 05:57 |
| ender2070 | unfortunately most of my friends have to steal hidef stuff just so they can make their tv usefull | Nov 29 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | after that expires, I'll probably see what their promo is for a better package | Nov 29 05:58 |
| ender2070 | my best friend had some blueray rip that was the size of a dvd (4.7gbish) | Nov 29 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | if I can get like 1 year at $30 for another 50 channels, I'll do that | Nov 29 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just moving between plans to get promotional prices | Nov 29 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 29 05:59 |
| ender2070 | i gave up on tv | Nov 29 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | my promo on Digital Classic ran out so I bumped back to Starter | Nov 29 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | so in August I'll probably do whatever comes after Classic | Nov 29 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably where you start getting all the movie channels | Nov 29 05:59 |
| cubezzz | fedora 11 | Nov 29 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | right now all I get for movie channels is the Encore lineup | Nov 29 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | all the "classic" movie channels like Turner and AMC | Nov 29 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | I finally ended up watching Casablanca last night while eating dinner | Nov 29 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | I get all the religious channels, but they pay Comcast to carry them | Nov 29 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | I blocked them out with Parental Controls so I don't ever have to listen to it by mistake | Nov 29 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I had HBO, and Showtime but I don't want to pay $30 a month more to watch movies from 1978 on a loop | Nov 29 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | I can rent some first run DVDs out of the redbox machine for $1 per | Nov 29 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | Encore is getting worse about that | Nov 29 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | playing The Terminator every single day is their latest one :P | Nov 29 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | I might ditch them too | Nov 29 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | it took Comcast several years to transition from 480i to 480p | Nov 29 06:10 |
| cubezzz | on antenna there are over a dozen hd channels 1080i | Nov 29 06:10 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - I watch tv online | Nov 29 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | by the time they have HD channels, people will be living on the Moon and Mars and watching holographic displays | Nov 29 06:10 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - why not 12? | Nov 29 06:11 |
| cubezzz | http://freetoronto.tv/dclist.htm | Nov 29 06:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Free Digital HDTV Toronto Channel List .::. Size~: 9.96 KB | Nov 29 06:13 |
| cubezzz | there's also FTA satellite | Nov 29 06:14 |
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| ender2070 | weird that they all show as low | Nov 29 06:16 |
| ender2070 | from the cn tower | Nov 29 06:16 |
| cubezzz | not sure if that is right | Nov 29 06:16 |
| cubezzz | we have two satellites ender2070 | Nov 29 06:17 |
| ender2070 | ahhh | Nov 29 06:17 |
| cubezzz | I get channel 9 perfect | Nov 29 06:17 |
| ender2070 | i just use tvshack for the shows im addicted to | Nov 29 06:17 |
| cubezzz | you need a 90cm dish though | Nov 29 06:18 |
| cubezzz | Linux friendly I assume? :) | Nov 29 06:18 |
| ender2070 | uses flash | Nov 29 06:18 |
| ender2070 | not really | Nov 29 06:18 |
| cubezzz | augh | Nov 29 06:18 |
| cubezzz | can you parse out the real URL? | Nov 29 06:18 |
| ender2070 | ill put up with flash if i dont have to watch mind controlling commercials | Nov 29 06:18 |
| cubezzz | ok, what is the main URL, I'll see if I can parse it | Nov 29 06:19 |
| ender2070 | www.tvshack.net | Nov 29 06:19 |
| ender2070 | some of them can be parsed | Nov 29 06:19 |
| ender2070 | it depends on the backend service | Nov 29 06:19 |
| ender2070 | if its hosted on megavideo dont even try | Nov 29 06:20 |
| ender2070 | i watch stuff like stargate, heroes, southpark, family guy | Nov 29 06:22 |
| cubezzz | I think someone as crudded up Sherlock Holmes | Nov 29 06:22 |
| ender2070 | ? | Nov 29 06:23 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc - i think the worst offender of program loops is TBS | Nov 29 06:24 |
| ender2070 | they often would play some old 6 year old movie, like 4 times in a row | Nov 29 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I need a three way splitter now after next month I think | Nov 29 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | I get 5 of the HD channels they're bringing in next month | Nov 29 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | but the "digital" box can't tune them in | Nov 29 06:25 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 29 06:26 |
| ender2070 | see | Nov 29 06:26 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, this looks like mostly movie trailers | Nov 29 06:26 |
| ender2070 | its all a giant money grab atm | Nov 29 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm going to have to use a splitter to hook up a coaxial cable to the TV | Nov 29 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | and one to the box | Nov 29 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | else I get to pay them $15 a month for an "HD" box | Nov 29 06:26 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - the movies are likely trailers, the tv shows arent | Nov 29 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Is that what I should do? | Nov 29 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | 3 way splitter or pay them more for the new box? | Nov 29 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's how I have it figured out | Nov 29 06:27 |
| ender2070 | you need the box | Nov 29 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Nov 29 06:27 |
| ender2070 | it decodes it for you | Nov 29 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | my TV has the ATSC tuner, right? The "digital" box doesn't | Nov 29 06:27 |
| ender2070 | oh | Nov 29 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | you can get all 5 channels without the box, but the box would not be able to tune in to them | Nov 29 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | the TV would | Nov 29 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | get what I'm saying? | Nov 29 06:28 |
| ender2070 | sort of | Nov 29 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | the box only has an NTSC tuner | Nov 29 06:28 |
| ender2070 | here the box is required because rogers uses encryption iirc | Nov 29 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | so I would need a coaxial cable straight to the TV to get those channels in HD without paying $15 a month more for the box with the ATSC tuner | Nov 29 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | the splitter is probably only $2-3 | Nov 29 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | once | Nov 29 06:29 |
| ender2070 | im not sure if that will actually work for you | Nov 29 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | I have the box hooked up through composite cables | Nov 29 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | so I should be able to flip back to coaxial input to get the HD channels | Nov 29 06:30 |
| ender2070 | you'll have to figure that out | Nov 29 06:30 |
| ender2070 | you're over my head at this point | Nov 29 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | the cable company would steer me to their expensive HD box no doubt | Nov 29 06:31 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 29 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not doing that for 5 local HD channels | Nov 29 06:31 |
| ender2070 | i think rogers here uses lock in | Nov 29 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | woot, I get to see the pores on the local moring news anchor's face | Nov 29 06:31 |
| ender2070 | you require their box or no hd | Nov 29 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | feel the HD revolution, man! :P | Nov 29 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | *morning | Nov 29 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | depends what channels they are | Nov 29 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | what number | Nov 29 06:32 |
| ender2070 | i remember having pissed off customers because they wanted to have their own PVR and rogers locked them into theirs | Nov 29 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast keeps the analog crap on low numbers | Nov 29 06:32 |
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| ender2070 | the rogers pvr didnt allow hdd swapping | Nov 29 06:33 |
| ender2070 | so people had to erase their shows and got upset about it | Nov 29 06:33 |
| cubezzz | I keep getting directed to usenet.nl | Nov 29 06:33 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - what are you trying to watch | Nov 29 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Comcast told me that their HD DVR boxes don't encrypt recordings | Nov 29 06:34 |
| cubezzz | MST3K | Nov 29 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | and that you can hook the box up through USB to your PC | Nov 29 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | copy the files over | Nov 29 06:34 |
| ender2070 | what is mst3k | Nov 29 06:34 |
| cubezzz | Mystery Science Theatre 3000 | Nov 29 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Nov 29 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | they riff on old movies | Nov 29 06:35 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - i got one working | Nov 29 06:35 |
| ender2070 | 614 | Nov 29 06:35 |
| cubezzz | let's try classic trek | Nov 29 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | I have tp go for Digital Classic again to get LOGO | Nov 29 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | so the bastards get me coming and going | Nov 29 06:36 |
| ender2070 | oh yeah i also watch The Big Bang Theory | Nov 29 06:36 |
| ender2070 | i love that show | Nov 29 06:36 |
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| ender2070 | people say im just like Sheldon | Nov 29 06:36 |
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| cubezzz | oh there we go... Taxi :) | Nov 29 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.logoonline.com/ | Nov 29 06:37 |
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| DaemonFC | They're putting that in this little redneck town | Nov 29 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably be the only one watching it | Nov 29 06:37 |
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| DaemonFC | I did request that they add it | Nov 29 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | Didn't request that they add it to a more expensive package than I subscribe to though | Nov 29 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | The local Christians will probably band together, get pitchforks and torches, and converge on the Comcast office for this | Nov 29 06:38 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - im no jerk tho, the tv shows i enjoy I buy on box sets when I can and rip them into theora for my media center | Nov 29 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | There's like 5-6 "Give me your money" channels hosted by con artists like Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson | Nov 29 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | can we have on gay and lesbian channel without world war 3? | Nov 29 06:40 |
| ender2070 | except i dont have startrek, each season is like $100 | Nov 29 06:40 |
| ender2070 | such a rip off | Nov 29 06:40 |
| cubezzz | Taxi is actually funny | Nov 29 06:40 |
| ender2070 | I can get 3-4 seasons of SG1 for $100 | Nov 29 06:40 |
| ender2070 | taxi, isnt that from the 80's? | Nov 29 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cracked.com/article_15892_5-ballsiest-con-artists-all-time.html | Nov 29 06:41 |
| cubezzz | yes I think so | Nov 29 06:41 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070 check torrent sites | Nov 29 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | they may have ISO rips | Nov 29 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | full quality | Nov 29 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | get a stack of dual layer DVDs and you're in business | Nov 29 06:41 |
| ender2070 | lol nah | Nov 29 06:41 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, do you remember Dick York? | Nov 29 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | I mean like, in theory, you could do that | Nov 29 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 29 06:42 |
| ender2070 | i think ive seen every episode of star trek | Nov 29 06:42 |
| ender2070 | i can wait for the sets to get cheaper | Nov 29 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | I've only seen every episode of Voyager | Nov 29 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | DS9 sucked | Nov 29 06:42 |
| cubezzz | actors don't get the dvd money | Nov 29 06:42 |
| cubezzz | not from the old shows | Nov 29 06:42 |
| ender2070 | oh, ill have to say i havent seen DS9 | Nov 29 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | TNG was alright, a bit too campy though | Nov 29 06:42 |
| cubezzz | the Studio gets the money | Nov 29 06:43 |
| ender2070 | everyone in tv is overpaid | Nov 29 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | the Borg arc was what got me hooked on Voyager | Nov 29 06:43 |
| ender2070 | actors usually cause shows to go out of budget | Nov 29 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: They've started filimg away from Hollywood to avoid union wages for actors | Nov 29 06:43 |
| ender2070 | stargate atlantis is being canceled because the actors want too much | Nov 29 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | they take it out to like Texas or Ontario or wherever | Nov 29 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say that over 80% of filming done outside California is done in Texas or Ontario | Nov 29 06:44 |
| ender2070 | every season they get a raise, so they made stargate universe | Nov 29 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | avoids unions | Nov 29 06:44 |
| ender2070 | stargate is filmed in BC | Nov 29 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, whooops | Nov 29 06:45 |
| ender2070 | well universe is | Nov 29 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | SG-1 wasn't | Nov 29 06:45 |
| ender2070 | i dont know about sg1 and atlantis, though they are american/canadian shows | Nov 29 06:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | so is sg1 and sga | Nov 29 06:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: oh, and get this | Nov 29 06:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | a friend of mine used to watch them film the outdoor forest scenes at some national park in canada | Nov 29 06:45 |
| ender2070 | :) | Nov 29 06:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | and by "watch" I mean take photos using a telephoto lens | Nov 29 06:46 |
| ender2070 | hehe | Nov 29 06:46 |
| ender2070 | so when they say "offworld" they mean the national park in BC | Nov 29 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: It will be amusing when Comcast adds LOGO. | Nov 29 06:47 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_27 | Nov 29 06:47 |
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| ender2070 | cubezzz - for music tho, some artists (like Weird Al) i've sent money directly to | Nov 29 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | All gay programming three or four channels away from a televangelist saying god will kill us all in fire | Nov 29 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | you have to appreciate the irony | Nov 29 06:48 |
| ender2070 | weird al makes like 50 cents a cd, i might be generous with that assumption too | Nov 29 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI&feature=player_embedded | Nov 29 06:49 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, the bulk of FTA satellite for us is Galaxy 19 | Nov 29 06:52 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_19 | Nov 29 06:52 |
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| cubezzz | http://www.lyngsat.com/galaxy19.html | Nov 29 07:00 |
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| ender2070 | i cant really watch live tv | Nov 29 07:01 |
| cubezzz | why not? | Nov 29 07:01 |
| ender2070 | 1) its unbearable with commercials, 2) commercials are often subliminal | Nov 29 07:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm just curious | Nov 29 07:02 |
| ender2070 | 3) Why pay to have advertisers brainwash me | Nov 29 07:02 |
| ender2070 | :) | Nov 29 07:02 |
| cubezzz | well WNED doesn't have commercials ;) | Nov 29 07:02 |
| cubezzz | ok I assume you don't have an antenna then | Nov 29 07:03 |
| ender2070 | oh brings me to 4) I like watching stuff on my own schedule | Nov 29 07:03 |
| cubezzz | sure, that's where the DVR comes in | Nov 29 07:03 |
| ender2070 | no antenna, cable, satellite | Nov 29 07:03 |
| cubezzz | no radio? :) | Nov 29 07:04 |
| ender2070 | nope | Nov 29 07:04 |
| cubezzz | of course, you have internet radio | Nov 29 07:04 |
| ender2070 | radio is obsolete | Nov 29 07:04 |
| ender2070 | oh yeah internet radio | Nov 29 07:04 |
| ender2070 | www.redicecreations.com | Nov 29 07:04 |
| ender2070 | awesome stuff | Nov 29 07:04 |
| cubezzz | so what do you do when your internet connection fails? | Nov 29 07:04 |
| ender2070 | i die | Nov 29 07:04 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 07:05 |
| cubezzz | I guess you could have redundant ISPs | Nov 29 07:05 |
| ender2070 | i play one of my video games | Nov 29 07:05 |
| ender2070 | internet rarely ever fails though | Nov 29 07:05 |
| ender2070 | I also read a lot | Nov 29 07:06 |
| ender2070 | A LOT | Nov 29 07:06 |
| ender2070 | i probably read more than anything else | Nov 29 07:06 |
| cubezzz | Satellite is pretty cool though | Nov 29 07:06 |
| ender2070 | it might be worth it to me if I watched more tv | Nov 29 07:07 |
| ender2070 | i only have a few shows I like watching | Nov 29 07:08 |
| cubezzz | one house around here has got 3 satellite dishes, a UHF antenna and cable :) | Nov 29 07:08 |
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| ender2070 | i find people depend too much on tv | Nov 29 07:09 |
| ender2070 | its an iq reducer | Nov 29 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Nov 29 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Turns out they do have an HD receiver with no DVR | Nov 29 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's $7 a month | Nov 29 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | the HD receiver + DVR is $15 a month | Nov 29 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | the SD box I have no is $3.95 a month anyway | Nov 29 07:10 |
| ender2070 | the world wouldn't be in the mess it is in right now if people werent so apathetically glued to their tv's | Nov 29 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | so the HD receiver would up the bill by $3, which isn't bad I guess | Nov 29 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Nov 29 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just apathetic | Nov 29 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | TV or no TV | Nov 29 07:10 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 07:11 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, you have a good point | Nov 29 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | omg | Nov 29 07:11 |
| cubezzz | it's really the technology I'm interested in, not so much the shows | Nov 29 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | they charge me 20 cents a month for the remote | Nov 29 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 29 07:11 |
| ender2070 | how much do you think boycottnovell would've progressed if Roy watched tv | Nov 29 07:12 |
| cubezzz | not very much :) | Nov 29 07:12 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't miss anything, did they? | Nov 29 07:12 |
| ender2070 | people wonder where he gets all the time | Nov 29 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think Comcast is a Jewish business | Nov 29 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | just a hunch | Nov 29 07:12 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, no 5 cents per month for the batteries for the remote? :) | Nov 29 07:12 |
| ender2070 | rofl | Nov 29 07:12 |
| ender2070 | its 2am, daemon shifts into DaemonBigot now | Nov 29 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | only a Comcast Jew would worry about how to fleece me for 0.0066666666666667 of a cent per day on a TV remote | Nov 29 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 29 07:13 |
| ender2070 | actually bigot isnt accurate | Nov 29 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | Dammit, if we don't fight back, they may just take 0.0066666666666668 of a cent next time | Nov 29 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | where could it end up? | Nov 29 07:14 |
| ender2070 | jewishness isnt a race | Nov 29 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Who else worries about 0.0066666666666667 of a cent? | Nov 29 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | Provide me with something else to compare that to | Nov 29 07:15 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Nov 29 07:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Are you around? | Nov 29 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: Can you go in there and demand my 20 cents back? | Nov 29 07:16 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: huh? | Nov 29 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | they're Jews | Nov 29 07:16 |
| *DaemonFC sits back and watches | Nov 29 07:16 | |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 07:17 |
| ender2070 | sometimes you're just crazy | Nov 29 07:17 |
| ender2070 | space madness | Nov 29 07:17 |
| Omar87 | ender2070: is he drunk? | Nov 29 07:17 |
| ender2070 | lol actually that might explain it | Nov 29 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | it might, were it the case | Nov 29 07:18 |
| ender2070 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ | Nov 29 07:18 |
| ender2070 | oops | Nov 29 07:18 |
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| DaemonFC | I haven't been seriously drunk since New Years Day 2008 | Nov 29 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | and some other pleasant and amusing things happened that day | Nov 29 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | due to mutual drunkenness | Nov 29 07:19 |
| ender2070 | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/11/18/bacon-mug-looks-delicious | Nov 29 07:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bacon Mug Looks Delicious! .::. Size~: 31.14 KB | Nov 29 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | whatever works I guess | Nov 29 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | well, New Years Eve/Day | Nov 29 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | somehow I managed to back into a Cadillac and then drive off and make it 30 miles back to my friends house without getting pulled over | Nov 29 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | so it was a good day | Nov 29 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | snowing, roads covered in ice | Nov 29 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | I barely made it to the car on foot | Nov 29 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | and I was behind a cop about half the trip | Nov 29 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | I got back, passed out | Nov 29 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | woke up about 9-10 hours later, continued drinking | Nov 29 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | fired up a big fat joint | Nov 29 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | went back to bed | Nov 29 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | woke up again sometime that night | Nov 29 07:22 |
| *sebsebseb has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Nov 29 07:23 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm the kind of person your mom warned you about ever becoming involved with | Nov 29 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | but I haven't ever been caught | Nov 29 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I do keep a running count of everything I could have ever been charged with | Nov 29 07:24 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | mostly felonies | Nov 29 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | some misdemeanors | Nov 29 07:26 |
| ender2070 | Do you work at Microsoft? | Nov 29 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Nov 29 07:27 |
| ender2070 | you should apply | Nov 29 07:27 |
| ender2070 | I think you're eligible | Nov 29 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'm an egotistical self-serving asshole who will do whatever "feels" right at the moment | Nov 29 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | not necessarily a god-fearing person, I tend to fear myself way more | Nov 29 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I made the mistake of being honest once and the psychiatrist committed me | Nov 29 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | so I've lied ever since | Nov 29 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | just give them enough so that they refill my medications and send me on my way | Nov 29 07:29 |
| ender2070 | yeah? | Nov 29 07:30 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you just have to give them the 5% that gets your meds refilled | Nov 29 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | not the 20% that gets you in the inpatient ward for a week | Nov 29 07:30 |
| ender2070 | or not be crazy | Nov 29 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | or the 100% that I'm certain would send me to the mental hospital | Nov 29 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: This is the situation I'm in with Comcast and why I'm fixated on it.... | Nov 29 07:31 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | I've got a promo where I have Digital Starter for $20 a month til next August | Nov 29 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | adding Digital Classic usually is only like $15 more | Nov 29 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | but I'd lose my promo for Starter and pay $57 a month for that + the $15 for Classic | Nov 29 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | so I go from $20 to $72 a month | Nov 29 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | to get two channels I really want, a lot more bullshit | Nov 29 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | like MTV and all that garbage | Nov 29 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | I just want LOGO and the Science Channel | Nov 29 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | I know their thinking though | Nov 29 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | they'll tell me there are no promos for Digital Classic and I have to get Digital Premier and bullshit HBO package to get a promo | Nov 29 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | then I have to remember to cancel that 6 months later before I open a $200 cable bill | Nov 29 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 29 07:34 |
| ender2070 | if you could purchase individual channels it might be worth it | Nov 29 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: If I could do that, my bill would be like $5-10 a month | Nov 29 07:35 |
| ender2070 | I would have Space and Teletoon only | Nov 29 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | they'd never want you to be able to do that | Nov 29 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | $20 a month normally gets you Limited Basic | Nov 29 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | which is like 10 channels | Nov 29 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | everthing they catch over the air for free with their antenna | Nov 29 07:36 |
| ender2070 | our basic is like 30 channels | Nov 29 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | then bill you $20 a month for | Nov 29 07:36 |
| ender2070 | but 3 of them are worth watching | Nov 29 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Whatever you do, avoid the HBO, Showtime, Cinemax packages | Nov 29 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | Most expensive channels, least worth having | Nov 29 07:40 |
| ender2070 | HBO is pretty badass | Nov 29 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: How old are you? | Nov 29 07:40 |
| ender2070 | if you have a sense of humor | Nov 29 07:40 |
| ender2070 | 25 | Nov 29 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | k | Nov 29 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | I was gonna say, HBO hasn't been badass since about 1992-ish | Nov 29 07:41 |
| ender2070 | i dont know about current content | Nov 29 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's been getting worse and worse | Nov 29 07:41 |
| ender2070 | Mr Show was awesome | Nov 29 07:41 |
| ender2070 | George Carlin kicked ass on HBO | Nov 29 07:41 |
| ender2070 | a lot of good comedians were on HBO in the 90's | Nov 29 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Nov 29 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | first run movies too | Nov 29 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | before they moved all of those to Pay Per View | Nov 29 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | and also raised your HBO prices every year | Nov 29 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | they tried to remove the emphasis on gouging you by renaming Pay per View to On Demand | Nov 29 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | it makes it sound more like a service and less like getting violently buttfucked without lube | Nov 29 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 29 07:44 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 29 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, $16 a month for crap that used to run first run movies all month........ | Nov 29 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | $5-6 a hit for a Pay Per View movie | Nov 29 07:44 |
| ender2070 | im out of touch on tv stuff i guess | Nov 29 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 29 07:44 |
| ender2070 | i just see their logo on a lot of stuff i used to watch | Nov 29 07:45 |
| ender2070 | oh yay cmake | Nov 29 07:46 |
| ender2070 | do you know what this means | Nov 29 07:49 |
| ender2070 | http://fpaste.org/w3oS/ | Nov 29 07:49 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: I found the Star Trek TOS discs | Nov 29 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | they're all too big for a single layer DVD though | Nov 29 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | I really need some DL-DVDs | Nov 29 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | they keep releasing those entire series DVD sets and the whole thing can cost hundreds of dollars and span dozens of discs | Nov 29 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just spend about 75 cents per DL-DVD blank | Nov 29 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | get the whole series burned for $10-15 usually | Nov 29 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | in the MPAA anti-piracy argument, the best thing I saw them list was "You don't get cover art" | Nov 29 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 29 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | so apparently we're all supposed to pay $200 more for some boxes with pictures on them | Nov 29 08:14 |
| ender2070 | i would rather buy them and rip them into theora | Nov 29 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | then you can't play them on your TV | Nov 29 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | and they're lossy | Nov 29 08:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ubuntu Lucid Lynx 10.04LTS – Landmark release? http://tinyurl.com/ybj2leo #ubuntu #foss #linux | Nov 29 08:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If anyone from the UK has forgotten ITV and CH4 have dumped #silverlight . That now means Linux users can watch! Who needs #moonlight ? | Nov 29 08:54 | |
| ender2070 | why cant I play them on my tv | Nov 29 09:05 |
| ender2070 | i have a pc hooked up to it | Nov 29 09:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zertificon Added #Debian #GNU #Linux Compatibility http://ur1.ca/gqdb | Nov 29 09:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.32 Kernel Space Analysis and #Benchmarks Arrive http://ur1.ca/gqdk http://ur1.ca/gqdm | Nov 29 09:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google #ChromeOS (Linux) as "Endgame" Against Microsoft http://ur1.ca/gqee http://ur1.ca/gqek | Nov 29 09:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virtually All Windows Applications to Run in #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/gqf9 | Nov 29 09:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment 4.4 and #GNOME 3.0 Previews http://ur1.ca/gqfz http://ur1.ca/gqg3 | Nov 29 09:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UbuntuOne Adds #KDE Support http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-One-Clients-for-KDE-and-Fedora | Nov 29 09:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Release: #TinyCore Linux 2.6 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Tiny-Core-Linux-2-6-arrives-870909.html | Nov 29 09:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones (Android) Expected to Dominate the Market http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Cellular/10595.html | Nov 29 09:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Raves About #Linux -powered #Nokia #N900 http://ur1.ca/gq7w http://ur1.ca/gqjk http://ur1.ca/gqjs | Nov 29 09:30 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: And Now for Something Completely Different The N900 and its Killer Feature | The Maemo .::. Size~: 67.41 KB | Nov 29 09:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer to Reduce Use of #Windows (Mobile), to Increase #Linux http://ur1.ca/gqjz | Nov 29 09:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hands-On Experiences Available for New Mobile #Linux Platform http://ur1.ca/gqkh | Nov 29 09:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Releases #ChromeOS for Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/gql1 http://ur1.ca/gql3 http://ur1.ca/gql5 | Nov 29 09:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: you'd be transcoding from an old format to a bad one | Nov 29 09:34 |
| ender2070 | if i was downloading the show, i would be transcoding it from an even shittier divx format to theora | Nov 29 09:35 |
| ender2070 | which would be worse | Nov 29 09:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Qualcomm Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux on Their Way http://ur1.ca/gqlk http://ur1.ca/gqlm | Nov 29 09:36 | |
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| ender2070 | mpeg4 to theora isnt that bad either | Nov 29 09:38 |
| ender2070 | err mpeg2 | Nov 29 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | bbl | Nov 29 09:39 |
| ender2070 | dont tell me to use the original disks either, i'd prefer they stay fingerprint/dust/scratch free | Nov 29 09:39 |
| ender2070 | :) | Nov 29 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | movies | Nov 29 09:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Who exactly came up with these crack fuelled terms and conditions.. "may not create a link to this website" O RLY!? http://bit.ly/70TZMZ | Nov 29 09:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: More than 1000 women & men including farmers, fisherfolks & agricultural workers r participating in #padayatra #orissa | Nov 29 09:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] follow @orissaconcerns for updates from anti-posco padayatra | Nov 29 09:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I think Im going to regret this....just re-installing WOW (w/Wine)....I wonder how much of my life I will loose this time? #linux #wow #wine | Nov 29 10:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If anyone is after a Google Wave invite, just let me know. | Nov 29 10:24 | |
| PetoKraus | bude | Nov 29 10:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 1.3gb / 4.5gb completed of World of Warcraft...can't believe I forgot to cancel my subscription when I stopped playing a while ago! | Nov 29 11:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Still loving Google Wave! I wonder what the Microsoft faithful think of it. Not to worry, MS has a plan. Microsoft Puddle..it will be great! | Nov 29 11:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I also have a Identi.ca account which can be found here: http://identi.ca/openbytes everyone's welcome! | Nov 29 11:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got to start following the World of Warcraft Twitter account! Once its installed I'll have to re-organize by Pallidin. (bad spelling I know) | Nov 29 11:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] MoonOS looks interesting....maybe the next distro I give a review on. http://www.moonos.co.cc/ #linux #foss# | Nov 29 11:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Listening to Tuxradar podcast episode 22, first time I've listened for a while. Tis good. http://bit.ly/3AtJKF #fb | Nov 29 11:49 | |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: Speaking of today's LSE downtime, you should see this: http://www.zazzle.com/enough_suffering_mug-168181369067922246 | Nov 29 11:53 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/sixth-sense-technology/ Ok this tech is wow truely wow. | Nov 29 12:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I'm like a cute kitten most of the time, but when the time comes to fighting #Microsoft, I become a cute kitten that bites! | Nov 29 12:49 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87_: :-) | Nov 29 13:10 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: did you see the mug? :-D | Nov 29 13:10 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: Plus not being a kitten that bites here in jordan is a big mistake. It's one thing that I don't agree with the Jordan Open Source Association about. | Nov 29 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Omar87_: just be careful what you bite somethings are too nasty to taste. | Nov 29 13:19 |
| Omar87_ | oiaohm: true. | Nov 29 13:20 |
| Omar87_ | oiaohm: they won't be any nastier than what I see MS doing here everyday. | Nov 29 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Now preping the executions axe for MS neck I have no problem with. | Nov 29 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Omar87_: yes, the mug's good | Nov 29 13:22 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: :-) | Nov 29 13:22 |
| schestowitz | I have a post abut Jordan coming | Nov 29 13:22 |
| schestowitz | But it's also about UAE | Nov 29 13:22 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: it fits perfectly with what happened at the LSE earlier this morning. :-) | Nov 29 13:23 |
| schestowitz | And I'm going to resume some Tweets (been with a friend this morning, so well behind the news) | Nov 29 13:23 |
| schestowitz | LSE I used to hate.. | Nov 29 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Now I like them | Nov 29 13:23 |
| schestowitz | They are the best Linux advocacy tool | Nov 29 13:23 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: by the way, I forgot to tell you that last week was full of events. | Nov 29 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Which is funny, cause Microsoft used "LSE LSE LSE!" to smear Linux | Nov 29 13:24 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: There was a 5th Firefox b-day which was attended by Mitchell Baker. | Nov 29 13:24 |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: There was also an conference with Jon Phillips from the Inkscape project. | Nov 29 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Omar87_: cool. | Nov 29 13:27 |
| schestowitz | She came over? | Nov 29 13:27 |
| Omar87_ | There was also the opening of the CC Salon Amman. | Nov 29 13:27 |
| schestowitz | I like Baker, she's *very* nice | Nov 29 13:27 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: yeah. :) | Nov 29 13:27 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: also, the opening of the CC Jordan. (The first CC center in the Middle East). | Nov 29 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Commuinity Centre? | Nov 29 13:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Data #Warehousing with #FreeSoftware Gets Approval from Unusual Places http://ur1.ca/grah | Nov 29 13:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sun Takeover Talks Still on http://ur1.ca/gram http://ur1.ca/gran http://ur1.ca/grao | Nov 29 13:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I earned the Curious George(50) sticker on #GetGlue! http://bit.ly/6n66tm | Nov 29 13:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FogComputing and #FreeSoftware Seen as Reciprocal http://ur1.ca/grar http://ur1.ca/grat | Nov 29 13:33 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: EC predicts growth of the cloud | Latest Industry News | News | Opinion, News, Analysis | BCS - The Chartered Institute for IT .::. Size~: 34.4 KB | Nov 29 13:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Schools in #Finland Adopt #FreeSoftware http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/htimes/education/8996-schools-seek-savings-in-it-outlays-.html | Nov 29 13:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FSF Personality Explains Social Aspects and Science in #FreeSoftware http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20091127-00 | Nov 29 13:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Inspired #Hardware Design http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703499404574559960271468066.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Nov 29 13:42 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Taking an Open-Source Approach to Hardware - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 118.99 KB | Nov 29 13:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #dGB Dabbles in #GNU #GPL Licensing http://www.oilandgaseurasia.com/news/p/2/news/6197 | Nov 29 13:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Shuffles in #EU Regulation http://ur1.ca/grbm http://ur1.ca/grbn http://ur1.ca/grbp http://ur1.ca/grbr | Nov 29 13:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Not Such a Functional Idea After All http://ur1.ca/grbv | Nov 29 13:49 | |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: http://jordanopensource.org/gallery/firefox-5th-anniversary-mitchell-baker | Nov 29 14:24 |
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| *schestowitz done with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1svJUDq9oho&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div | Nov 29 15:02 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHEuudJ-o0&feature=fvst | Nov 29 15:05 |
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| willimm | Back!!! | Nov 29 15:14 |
| willimm | ... | Nov 29 15:19 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Port forwarding in bsnl WA3002G4 router (yes you can do it :D) with virtual server tables http://tinyurl.com/y8v78od | Nov 29 15:21 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, willimm | Nov 29 15:22 |
| trmanco | need help | Nov 29 15:27 |
| trmanco | can you guys ping this IP -> 32.1.6.176 | Nov 29 15:27 |
| trmanco | it's from mozilla addons... I can't connect for weeks :| | Nov 29 15:27 |
| trmanco | Connecting to releases.mozilla.org|32.1.6.176|:80... failed: Connection timed out. | Nov 29 15:29 |
| trmanco | Retrying. | Nov 29 15:29 |
| trmanco | --2009-11-29 15:25:37-- (try: 2) http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/1865/adblock_plus-1.1.1-fx+sm+tb.xpi | Nov 29 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ ping 32.1.6.176 | Nov 29 15:34 |
| schestowitz | PING 32.1.6.176 (32.1.6.176) 56(84) bytes of data. | Nov 29 15:34 |
| schestowitz | ^C^C | Nov 29 15:34 |
| schestowitz | --- 32.1.6.176 ping statistics --- | Nov 29 15:34 |
| schestowitz | 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4002ms | Nov 29 15:35 |
| trmanco | :| | Nov 29 15:38 |
| trmanco | can anybody from the US try it? | Nov 29 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe willimm can | Nov 29 15:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Week Goes by and #InternetExplorer Users Still Ripe for Hijacking http://ur1.ca/grih | Nov 29 15:48 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Another Week Goes by and Internet Explorer Users Still Ripe for Hijacking | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 112.74 KB | Nov 29 15:48 |
| *schestowitz has kicked zahzam from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Nov 29 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | That's mutex ban-evading | Nov 29 15:48 |
| willimm | schestowitz: You guessed it, it worked. | Nov 29 15:51 |
| willimm | It works for me. | Nov 29 15:52 |
| willimm | I'll go ping that very same IP: | Nov 29 15:52 |
| willimm | Anyway, the releases.mozilla.org URL WFM. | Nov 29 15:55 |
| willimm | schestowitz: How did you know it was going to work for me? | Nov 29 15:55 |
| *willimm is finetuning his LFS system | Nov 29 15:56 | |
| trmanco | what is works? | Nov 29 15:58 |
| trmanco | :| | Nov 29 15:58 |
| willimm | At least for me. | Nov 29 15:58 |
| trmanco | yeah | Nov 29 15:58 |
| trmanco | I wonder if there is any European mirror or something | Nov 29 15:58 |
| trmanco | I'm using the en-US locale | Nov 29 15:58 |
| willimm | I guess I'm the only US person on this channel... | Nov 29 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://bambambambam.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/a-mono-proposal/ | Nov 29 16:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: A Mono proposal « Rarrrrrrrgh .::. Size~: 40.6 KB | Nov 29 16:02 |
| trmanco | http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=hu&comments_parentId=178895&forumId=1 | Nov 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | willimm: I just guessed | Nov 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | he wanted an IP not from the EU like ours | Nov 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: | Nov 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | [root@boycottnovell ~]# ping 32.1.6.176 | Nov 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | PING 32.1.6.176 (32.1.6.176) 56(84) bytes of data. | Nov 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | --- 32.1.6.176 ping statistics --- | Nov 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4010ms | Nov 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | That's US | Nov 29 16:04 |
| trmanco | ;:| | Nov 29 16:04 |
| trmanco | this has been like that for more than a week | Nov 29 16:04 |
| trmanco | OMG | Nov 29 16:05 |
| trmanco | just fixed it | Nov 29 16:05 |
| trmanco | it's just plain stupid | Nov 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Re: Article from the Grauniad | Nov 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 29 16:05 |
| trmanco | omg | Nov 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/29/hackers-facebook-cash-security?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments | Nov 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | > Note that they don't mention that this is a Windows only problem. | Nov 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | > Wayne | Nov 29 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Paul Gallagher. I wish it was from Microsoft Jack........ | Nov 29 16:06 |
| schestowitz | wrong IP? | Nov 29 16:06 |
| trmanco | all I did was disable netowork.dns.disable.ipv6 to true | Nov 29 16:06 |
| trmanco | LOL | Nov 29 16:06 |
| willimm | As I said before, I guess I'm the only US person on this channel. | Nov 29 16:06 |
| willimm | Only in America: being able to acess certan sites while others don't. | Nov 29 16:08 |
| trmanco | lol | Nov 29 16:09 |
| trmanco | actually | Nov 29 16:09 |
| trmanco | it now just works :S | Nov 29 16:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Developers Betrayed by #Apple Are Uniting, #Microsoft #EULA Repels http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/29/betrayed-by-apple-control/ | Nov 29 16:09 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Developers Betrayed by Apple Are Uniting, Microsoft EULA Repels | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.99 KB | Nov 29 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm... openaddict.com is dead :-( | Nov 29 16:10 |
| willimm | I'm hoping for a free Wisconsin. | Nov 29 16:13 |
| willimm | In software freedom. | Nov 29 16:14 |
| trmanco | ok, it's borked again | Nov 29 16:15 |
| trmanco | :| | Nov 29 16:15 |
| willimm | Not for me!! | Nov 29 16:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Starts Raiding #India , Not Just the #MiddleEast http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/29/raiding-as-a-business-model/ | Nov 29 16:42 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Starts Raiding India, Not Just the Middle East | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 115.7 KB | Nov 29 16:42 |
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| *willimm is still working on LFS | Nov 29 16:56 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] oh fsck! | Nov 29 17:01 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I know now why programmer use profanity a lot ; | Nov 29 17:01 | |
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| MrF | Check this out Roy! | Nov 29 17:06 |
| MrF | http://www.competitiveurge.com/Members/Urge/Default.aspx?uid=37e72dda-1906-4e8c-a9f2-10d1fa5cf453&t=100m%20Concept%20II%20Rowing%20Challenge%20-%20WEIGHT%20ADJUSTED | Nov 29 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Hey :-) | Nov 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Did you beat 16.3? | Nov 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I can do 15 | Nov 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz | When I'm 'fresh' | Nov 29 17:10 |
| MrF | Did you check the link? | Nov 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz | It's also a technique thing | Nov 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Nov 29 17:10 |
| MrF | http://www.competitiveurge.com/Members/Urge/Default.aspx?uid=37e72dda-1906-4e8c-a9f2-10d1fa5cf453&t=100m%20Concept%20II%20Rowing%20Challenge%20-%20WEIGHT%20ADJUSTED | Nov 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm writing about Monsanto | Nov 29 17:10 |
| MrF | just give it a quick click | Nov 29 17:10 |
| MrF | http://www.competitiveurge.com/Members/Urge/Default.aspx?uid=37e72dda-1906-4e8c-a9f2-10d1fa5cf453&t=100m%20Concept%20II%20Rowing%20Challenge%20-%20WEIGHT%20ADJUSTED | Nov 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=54698 | Nov 29 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Weight adjusted, I see.... | Nov 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz | "small farmers" | Nov 29 17:11 |
| MrF | i reckon i can go under 16 easy but i need to get shorts that dont slide | Nov 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I like the sound of that | Nov 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Like "little people" | Nov 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Big Gates | Nov 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Rich Uncle | Nov 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz | to help the "little people" | Nov 29 17:11 |
| MrF | Nah, none of those times were adjusted | Nov 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz | "small farmers" | Nov 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz | "here, have some patents" | Nov 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz | "You'll pay me later" | Nov 29 17:12 |
| MrF | that's just the time....end of....period.....no adjustment....get it? | Nov 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Nov 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Put your time there | Nov 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz | It will be chained with some libel from Mr SteveO | Nov 29 17:12 |
| MrF | our 16.3 time puts us 7th | Nov 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't trying hard | Nov 29 17:13 |
| MrF | i will wear my jean shorts next time as i kept sliding off the seat in my running shorts so had to row within myself | Nov 29 17:13 |
| MrF | i will smash 16 seconds!! | Nov 29 17:13 |
| MrF | the first man under 15 seconds is my hero:-) | Nov 29 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Naa.. | Nov 29 17:15 |
| schestowitz | No point to it | Nov 29 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Just posing | Nov 29 17:15 |
| MrF | There you go again pretending you have no ego, | Nov 29 17:16 |
| MrF | Your competes intellectually, and self righteously:) | Nov 29 17:16 |
| MrF | Your ego competes intellectually, and self righteously:) | Nov 29 17:16 |
| MrF | as well as physically:) | Nov 29 17:16 |
| MrF | except when you lose it suddenly 'doesn't matter' | Nov 29 17:17 |
| MrF | lol | Nov 29 17:17 |
| MrF | the 100m challenge should be in next years MrF | Nov 29 17:17 |
| MrF | Have you heard next year Mr F will be a combined competition run in unison with all the other hotels in the chain. | Nov 29 17:18 |
| MrF | Maybe this was how the olympics and the premiership got started:) | Nov 29 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Really? | Nov 29 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | It would be impossible to arrange | Nov 29 17:20 |
| MrF | Yes straght up, jordan and craig were saying, then the winners from each region get invited to compete for the national challenge, | Nov 29 17:20 |
| MrF | i imagine they would probably invite each regional winner to a hotel for the weekend to compete in all the challenges | Nov 29 17:21 |
| schestowitz | That'd be you | Nov 29 17:21 |
| MrF | hey, if they let the top three from each hotel you might get an invite, it'll be great. | Nov 29 17:21 |
| MrF | i reckon sid | Nov 29 17:22 |
| schestowitz | We'll have to train you for Midland pride | Nov 29 17:22 |
| MrF | then you | Nov 29 17:22 |
| MrF | you are gonna be out for revenge next year, terminator stylee:) | Nov 29 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Not sure yet | Nov 29 17:22 |
| MrF | I'LL BE BACK!!!! | Nov 29 17:22 |
| schestowitz | The eating contest is in conflict ^_^ | Nov 29 17:22 |
| MrF | you are king of the rower | Nov 29 17:23 |
| MinceR | king of the roar! | Nov 29 17:23 |
| MrF | i am king of nothing | Nov 29 17:23 |
| MrF | just a jack of all trades but master of none | Nov 29 17:23 |
| MrF | rrrr, he's a tiger!!! | Nov 29 17:23 |
| MrF | Roaring Roy Schestowitz | Nov 29 17:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GatesFoundation Looking to Destroy #Kenya with #IntellectualMonopolies http://ur1.ca/grtd | Nov 29 17:31 | |
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| schestowitz | MrF: see the above | Nov 29 17:31 |
| schestowitz | See what you make of it | Nov 29 17:31 |
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| MrF | So the major issue is the royalties yes? Are there any other issues to do with the effect of using these seeds on the soil? | Nov 29 17:41 |
| MrF | Hre are some links on monsanto i've read in the past | Nov 29 17:43 |
| MrF | http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224622 | Nov 29 17:43 |
| MrF | another | Nov 29 17:43 |
| MrF | http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=223928 | Nov 29 17:43 |
| MrF | Germany bans monsanto Frankencorn! | Nov 29 17:44 |
| MrF | http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224601 | Nov 29 17:44 |
| MrF | But more importantly, here's how to avoid GM foods!! | Nov 29 17:44 |
| MrF | http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=228331 | Nov 29 17:44 |
| MrF | Cheerio Roy | Nov 29 17:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: Pet musical peeves. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2009/11/29/pet-musical-peeves/ | Nov 29 17:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to: This week in Google 18! - Great stuff! #google #chromeos #chromium | Nov 29 18:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Grabs More Control of #Schools in United States, #Serbia http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/29/enslaving-young-people-mou/ | Nov 29 18:50 | |
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| cubezzz | :-( | Nov 29 18:54 |
| cubezzz | it's really time for Microsoft to die | Nov 29 18:56 |
| cubezzz | the world is choked up with Microsoft garbage | Nov 29 18:57 |
| cubezzz | when I was looking for a laptop it really hit me | Nov 29 18:57 |
| cubezzz | seriously considering importing the Lemote now | Nov 29 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is weakened | Nov 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | It still has shelf life | Nov 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | And it hopes to make things like archives and schools locked in | Nov 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | This way it can get bailed out, like Silicon Graphivs | Nov 29 19:10 |
| cubezzz | schools are locked in North America | Nov 29 19:11 |
| cubezzz | not 100%, but say maybe 90% | Nov 29 19:11 |
| cubezzz | I know U of Waterloo is about 50/50 | Nov 29 19:11 |
| cubezzz | maybe MIT is similar | Nov 29 19:12 |
| cubezzz | Colleges around here have dozens of courses on Microsoft software, and one or two courses on Linux | Nov 29 19:13 |
| cubezzz | maybe it doesn't matter too much | Nov 29 19:13 |
| cubezzz | as most of the GNU/Linux people are self-taught | Nov 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz | load average: 12.73, 4.76, 2.48 | Nov 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I guess returning to posting does that. | Nov 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: there was a story in CA some years ago | Nov 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | A teacher move some computer to Linux | Nov 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | He was bullied over it | Nov 29 19:16 |
| cubezzz | bullied by who? | Nov 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | All the Turfers and lackeys of Microsoft | Nov 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Eventually they turned them all to Windows when he wasn't watching | Nov 29 19:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft to charge UK TV License payers twice? http://tinyurl.com/ygwm2qp #microsoft #bbc #xbox360 #360 #silverlight | Nov 29 19:16 | |
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| schestowitz | it was big in the news | Nov 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Should I find it for you? | Nov 29 19:16 |
| cubezzz | sure | Nov 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Around 2007 | Nov 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | OK... | Nov 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | OT: | Nov 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | No One Ever Got Fired For Using Microsoft. - Yes They Did. | Nov 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Nov 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | | "My computer system and network is a crapheap. Can your Linux Thing fix | Nov 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | | it?" .. I was stumped for something to say. He had not specifically told | Nov 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | | me what problems he was having with his systems. I answered him with the | Nov 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | | only reply that came immediately to mind. .. "No sir." | Nov 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | `---- | Nov 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.lobby4linux.com/index.php?/archives/83-No-One-Ever-Got-Fired-For-Using-Microsoft.-Yes-They-Did..html | Nov 29 19:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 200 (OK) .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 29 19:19 |
| cubezzz | error OK? :) | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | School District Did Not Fire Network Manager For Recommending Linux | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | | I emailed the writer of that same article to ask if Curtis Mason was | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | | really fired for recommending Linux. The reply confirmed my suspicion... | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | | | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | | [...] | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | | | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | | Lets not get into sensationalistic hissy fits, that?s reserved only | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | | for Microsoft. | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | `---- | Nov 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techybytes.com/school-district-did-not-fire-network-manager-for-recommending-linux/ | Nov 29 19:20 |
| cubezzz | yeah this is why I'm independent | Nov 29 19:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: School District Did Not Fire Network Manager For Recommending Linux .::. Size~: 72.87 KB | Nov 29 19:20 |
| cubezzz | lobby4linux.com seems dead | Nov 29 19:21 |
| schestowitz | But that's not it..... | Nov 29 19:21 |
| schestowitz | It was in Waterloo maybe | Nov 29 19:21 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Nov 29 19:21 |
| cubezzz | Waterloo does use Solaris and Linux | Nov 29 19:21 |
| cubezzz | no one should get fired over Linux there | Nov 29 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Ottawa-Carleton District School Board and FLOSS | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | | The OCDSB currently supports two OS environments at the classroom | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | | level, those being Windows and Macintosh. Linux is installed in a few of | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | | our schools on a standalone basis, where software that will run on it is | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | | used in the curriculum. There is considerable interest in expanding the | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | | use of 'open-source' applications in our schools. | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | `---- | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/2531 | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it.... | Nov 29 19:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ottawa-Carleton District School Board and FLOSS | Digital Copyright Canada .::. Size~: 16.87 KB | Nov 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | But there is another college that uses Fedora | Nov 29 19:23 |
| schestowitz | It's a Red Hat case study | Nov 29 19:23 |
| cubezzz | ah, that does ring a bell | Nov 29 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Nov 29 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Montgomery was his name IIRC | Nov 29 19:23 |
| cubezzz | Bexley School District it was | Nov 29 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Ah, yes! | Nov 29 19:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=montgomery+linux+lab&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Nov 29 19:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: montgomery linux lab - Google Search .::. Size~: 24.55 KB | Nov 29 19:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cluecan.ca/node/307 | Nov 29 19:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Interview with Mr. Montgomery about dismantled Linux lab | CLUE .::. Size~: 18.97 KB | Nov 29 19:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itbusiness.ca/IT/client/en/home/News.asp?id=39987 | Nov 29 19:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Toronto high school expels Linux lab .::. Size~: 31.11 KB | Nov 29 19:24 |
| schestowitz | See? | Nov 29 19:24 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 29 19:25 |
| cubezzz | pretty lame | Nov 29 19:25 |
| trmanco | oh boy | Nov 29 19:25 |
| schestowitz | It was big news at the time | Nov 29 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Bookmark it | Nov 29 19:25 |
| schestowitz | To show how the Microsoft Cult is attacking competition | Nov 29 19:25 |
| schestowitz | When dissent is equated to disloyalty | Nov 29 19:26 |
| schestowitz | How DARE he not use what everyone else uses (monoculture)? | Nov 29 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a vision... | Nov 29 19:26 |
| schestowitz | "Identical people behind every desk" | Nov 29 19:26 |
| cubezzz | that's too close to home :( | Nov 29 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Animal farm. | Nov 29 19:26 |
| cubezzz | well, for what's it's worth, I do a lot of laptop linux installs | Nov 29 19:27 |
| cubezzz | I tell people to start with K&R | Nov 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Well, either way, Montgomery's story is another in a long series of bullying | Nov 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz | "Either you're with Microsoft or you are with the terrorist" ~GWB /s/Microsoft/us/ | Nov 29 19:28 |
| cubezzz | did you read the last paragraph? | Nov 29 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Of which one? | Nov 29 19:28 |
| cubezzz | "the Board does not have an “exclusivity clause” with any software manufacturer and it supports Mac and Windows OS environments. McAlister went on to write that the OCDSB has Linux installed in a few of its schools and there is “considerable interest” in expanding the use of open-source application in its schools." | Nov 29 19:28 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 29 19:29 |
| cubezzz | not ideal, but not doomsday scenario either | Nov 29 19:29 |
| cubezzz | at one time I sold Amiga software to schools | Nov 29 19:30 |
| cubezzz | in the pre-Linux days | Nov 29 19:30 |
| cubezzz | of course Stallman could go there and start yelling "It should be Free Software, not Open Source!" | Nov 29 19:31 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't yell | Nov 29 19:32 |
| schestowitz | He asks politely | Nov 29 19:32 |
| cubezzz | Montgomery sounds fairly enlightened | Nov 29 19:32 |
| *cubezzz raises an eyebrow | Nov 29 19:32 | |
| ender2070 | oh god all those happened in Canada | Nov 29 19:33 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, yeah | Nov 29 19:33 |
| cubezzz | ok, he would talk loud :) | Nov 29 19:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Was “Twitter’s First-ever Association with a Marketer” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/29/twitter-federated-media-sellout/ | Nov 29 19:33 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Was “Twitters First-ever Association with a Marketer” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.41 KB | Nov 29 19:33 |
| cubezzz | I better get out while the Sun is still up | Nov 29 19:34 |
| cubezzz | back in 1/2 hour | Nov 29 19:34 |
| ender2070 | tax dollars shouldn't go towards microsoft, they have enough money | Nov 29 19:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] and here I thought twitter was a spam magnet, I guess identi.ca is growing enough to attract the scum here too | Nov 29 19:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] do hitmen take their dogs out? | Nov 29 19:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ThistleWeb Not sure, but to be politically correct shouldnt it be Hitpeople? ;) | Nov 29 20:01 | |
| schestowitz | [19:38] <ender2070> tax dollars shouldn't go towards microsoft, they have enough money | Nov 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Nov 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | They missed last quarter's goals, IIRC | Nov 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | They never have enough | Nov 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | They have shareholders | Nov 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | By this model, the world is an infinite garbage can | Nov 29 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Extract, Extract, Extract, Extract... | Nov 29 20:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Discrediting by Distorting Boycott Novell’s Message http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/29/mischaracterising-boycott-novell/ | Nov 29 20:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Discrediting by Distorting Boycott Novells Message | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 111.79 KB | Nov 29 20:15 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] enjoying the simplicity and flexibility of fluxbox..will ever go back to kde?don't know... | Nov 29 20:16 | |
| cubezzz | igg-drah-shill | Nov 29 20:27 |
| cubezzz | igg-drah-sill | Nov 29 20:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Better Than Best | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ygkucuf | Nov 29 20:32 | |
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| cubezzz | I can't seem to use netcraft to see what server a given site uses | Nov 29 20:34 |
| cubezzz | using yellowpipe which uses netcraft seems to work, weird | Nov 29 20:37 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, guess what? | Nov 29 20:38 |
| cubezzz | http://www.monarchpark.org/ runs Linux for server | Nov 29 20:39 |
| cubezzz | ok, uptime.netcraft.com works | Nov 29 20:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Open” as in “Not Free” and “Non-Standard” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/29/connotation-and-meaning-of-open/ | Nov 29 20:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: “Open” as in “Not Free” and “Non-Standard” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.93 KB | Nov 29 20:46 |
| schestowitz | What's that school about? | Nov 29 20:47 |
| cubezzz | that's the one with Mr Montgomery and the Linux Lab that was dismantled | Nov 29 20:47 |
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| yuhong | schestowitz: What do you think of PR 2.0, in general? | Nov 29 20:52 |
| yuhong | BTW. | Nov 29 20:53 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/29/slurry_fetish_pervert_jailed/ | Nov 29 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: 2.0? | Nov 29 20:56 |
| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Novell 2.0 Ultra Edition | Nov 29 20:56 | |
| cubezzz | standard answer: wait for the next version :) | Nov 29 20:56 |
| yuhong | Wait while I dig out a comment. | Nov 29 20:56 |
| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Nov 29 20:57 | |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/27/novell-microsoft-gates-pr-spin/#comment-76193 | Nov 29 20:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Beyond the Public Relations | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 122.46 KB | Nov 29 20:57 |
| yuhong | http://www.briansolis.com/2008/04/pr-20-putting-public-back-in-public/ | Nov 29 20:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: PR 2.0: Putting the Public Back in Public Relations | Brian Solis - PR 2.0 .::. Size~: 48.67 KB | Nov 29 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/25/respected-fund-manager-backs-away-from-google | Nov 29 20:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Respected Fund Manager Backs Away From Google | WebProNews .::. Size~: 33.13 KB | Nov 29 20:57 |
| _goblin | # | Nov 29 20:58 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: PR is not in industry | Nov 29 20:58 |
| schestowitz | It's a felony | Nov 29 20:58 |
| schestowitz | These people should quit their job and do something useful to society (IMHO) | Nov 29 20:59 |
| yuhong | Well, PR itself is a felony? | Nov 29 20:59 |
| schestowitz | PR is lying | Nov 29 20:59 |
| schestowitz | It's spin | Nov 29 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Deception | Nov 29 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Also in politics | Nov 29 20:59 |
| yuhong | Yep, it was. | Nov 29 20:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I'd love to see a typo on a website about their "Pubic Relations Dept". I may even set that up on purpose one day to see if anyone spots it | Nov 29 20:59 | |
| yuhong | \Wait. | Nov 29 20:59 |
| schestowitz | PR meaning changing how people naturally feel about something | Nov 29 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Like hyponosis | Nov 29 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I go to "2.0" things to interact with peo | Nov 29 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Not with agents hired by companies | Nov 29 21:00 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Nov 29 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Like that Wong scum who smeared BN with comments.... not saying that Microsoft hired him | Nov 29 21:00 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Nov 29 21:00 |
| cubezzz | Public Relations Despot | Nov 29 21:00 |
| schestowitz | "What the heck are you doing?" | Nov 29 21:00 |
| schestowitz | "Me? I do PEEEEE Arrrrrrrrr!!" | Nov 29 21:00 |
| yuhong | I know, and yes PR 2.0 had it's share of unethical things too. | Nov 29 21:01 |
| yuhong | Yep, the debate over ghostblogging and ghosttwittering. | Nov 29 21:02 |
| yuhong | I know legacy PR is indeed lying. | Nov 29 21:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rt @EDRi_org Strike! German president Köhler will not sign internet filtering law. Congratulations to AK Zensur and our German EDRi members | Nov 29 21:02 | |
| yuhong | http://www.briansolis.com/2009/07/pr-does-not-stand-for-press-release-equalizing-spikes-and-valleys/ | Nov 29 21:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: PR Does Not Stand for Press Release: Equalizing Spikes and Valleys | Brian Solis - PR 2.0 .::. Size~: 126.94 KB | Nov 29 21:03 |
| yuhong | Another article you should read. | Nov 29 21:03 |
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| yuhong | What I call old-style PR is indeed as what you described. | Nov 29 21:04 |
| yuhong | Spin, lying, and so on. | Nov 29 21:04 |
| yuhong | "This book shows how to reinvent PR around two-way conversations with traditional and new influencers, bring the “public” back into public relations—and earn a new level of results that just wasn’t possible before now." | Nov 29 21:05 |
| yuhong | "Yesterday’s PR techniques just don’t work anymore. " | Nov 29 21:05 |
| yuhong | http://www.amazon.com/dp/0137150695?tag=pr200f-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0137150695&adid=02J76YW6R9GXVRCCJJM0& | Nov 29 21:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Amazon.com: Putting the Public Back in Public Relations: How Social Media Is Reinventing the Aging Business of PR (9780137150694): Brian Solis, Deirdre Breakenridge: Books .::. Size~: 429.8 KB | Nov 29 21:05 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, reading about Charles Pancerzewski now | Nov 29 21:06 |
| yuhong | I know the problems of legacy PR, I am asking about what do you think about PR 2.0 in general. | Nov 29 21:07 |
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| cubezzz | 4 million is a lot | Nov 29 21:08 |
| cubezzz | the temptation to take the money would be too much for most people | Nov 29 21:08 |
| yuhong | http://search.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1460316&cid=30261720 | Nov 29 21:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Comments | Google-Microsoft Crossfire Will Hit Consumers .::. Size~: 55.91 KB | Nov 29 21:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Dear Mandy: complaining to Mandelson through the power of song - http://bit.ly/5caH7v shows the power of approach | Nov 29 21:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dear Mandy: complaining to Peter Mandelson through the power of song | News, sport, football, celebrities, dating and entertainment | Metro.co.uk .::. Size~: 82.33 KB | Nov 29 21:15 |
| cubezzz | this may be appropriate to what's happening: | Nov 29 21:16 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despotism | Nov 29 21:16 |
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| ender2070 | PR 2.0 is a buzzword designed to make us feel better about the liars | Nov 29 21:21 |
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| ender2070 | PR and the media in general often use subliminals | Nov 29 21:25 |
| ender2070 | I learned this in high school, and this guy made me remember that stuff | Nov 29 21:25 |
| ender2070 | http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/10oct/RIR-091029.php | Nov 29 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Mikey | Nov 29 21:25 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, corruption is cheap to make vanish | Nov 29 21:26 |
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| yuhong | There were a fiasco where Twitter docs were leaked. | Nov 29 21:29 |
| yuhong | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/19/the-anatomy-of-the-twitter-attack/ | Nov 29 21:30 |
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| yuhong | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/in-our-inbox-hundreds-of-confidential-twitter-documents/ | Nov 29 21:30 |
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| yuhong | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/15/our-reaction-to-your-reactions-on-the-twitter-confidential-documents-post/ | Nov 29 21:30 |
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| yuhong | schestowitz: Look at the links above. | Nov 29 21:31 |
| ender2070 | im going to start looking into a few things to see if secret societies have a hand in mono at all | Nov 29 21:32 |
| ender2070 | i think they have to be funding some of these people | Nov 29 21:33 |
| shreddar | ender have you heard of Trusted Computing? | Nov 29 21:34 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 29 21:34 |
| ender2070 | definately | Nov 29 21:34 |
| yuhong | I have heard of it too. | Nov 29 21:34 |
| ender2070 | TC has some good uses too | Nov 29 21:35 |
| ender2070 | it can prevent evil maid attacks | Nov 29 21:35 |
| yuhong | Yea. | Nov 29 21:35 |
| shreddar | I'm guessing secret societies are big pushers of it. | Nov 29 21:36 |
| MinceR | the Endorsement Key has no good uses | Nov 29 21:36 |
| ender2070 | however my laptop doesnt suck and prevents evil maid attacks using regular bios features | Nov 29 21:36 |
| yuhong | And yes, there is a Microsoft section. | Nov 29 21:36 |
| yuhong | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/16/twitters-internal-strategy-laid-bare-to-be-the-pulse-of-the-planet/ | Nov 29 21:37 |
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| yuhong | "Worries were expressed that it would strain Twitter’s engineering resources and that any partnership with Microsoft would raise branding issues: “There is going to be a perception that we are dating.” The board was also worried about Twitter “getting into bed with Microsoft.” By the end of the discussion, someone asks, “Why did we start talking to Microsoft in the first place”?" | Nov 29 21:38 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: What do you think | Nov 29 21:38 |
| ender2070 | one of our critics was aligned with robert anton wilson | Nov 29 21:38 |
| shreddar | Chrome OS's firmware chip kinda reminds me of the fritz chip. | Nov 29 21:38 |
| shreddar | Some how I'm not as worried about it though. | Nov 29 21:38 |
| shreddar | As long as I can legally use a non-firmwared computer on the internet as well as off I'll be cool with it. | Nov 29 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: it's old news | Nov 29 21:45 |
| schestowitz | But I like this: | Nov 29 21:45 |
| schestowitz | 'In that same March 12th meeting, Twitter also wrestled with a proposed search advertising partnership with Microsoft. The team was “not ready” and considered this yet another “Distraction.” Worries were expressed that it would strain Twitter’s engineering resources and that any partnership with Microsoft would raise branding issues: “There is going to be a perception that we are dating.” The board was also worried | Nov 29 21:45 |
| schestowitz | about Twitter “getting into bed with Microsoft.” By the end of the discussion, someone asks, “Why did we start talking to Microsoft in the first place”?' | Nov 29 21:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/16/twitters-internal-strategy-laid-bare-to-be-the-pulse-of-the-planet/ | Nov 29 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | See? Microsoft is tainted like the mafia it is | Nov 29 21:45 |
| schestowitz | People don't want to touch it | Nov 29 21:45 |
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| yuhong_ | Yes, it is old news, and most of it is unrelated, but things like this is why I mention it in the first place. | Nov 29 21:46 |
| schestowitz | yuhong_: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/29/twitter-federated-media-sellout/comment-page-1/#comment-76288 | Nov 29 21:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Was “Twitters First-ever Association with a Marketer” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 137.21 KB | Nov 29 21:49 |
| yuhong_ | Thanks for mentioning it. | Nov 29 21:50 |
| yuhong_ | Yes, it is old news, and most of it is unrelated, it is only things like this is why I mention it in the first place. | Nov 29 21:50 |
| schestowitz | np, thank *you* for mentioning it. | Nov 29 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I never saw uit | Nov 29 21:51 |
| schestowitz | The Twitter leak | Nov 29 21:51 |
| yuhong_ | I mean, thank you for posting it in a comment. | Nov 29 21:51 |
| yuhong_ | It was not emails, actually. | Nov 29 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Documents | Nov 29 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's similar | Nov 29 21:53 |
| yuhong_ | Exactly. | Nov 29 21:53 |
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| yuhong_ | I already posted a correction. | Nov 29 21:55 |
| yuhong_ | In the end, I don't expect Twitter to clean the mess up even without this partnership, so I am not that ashamed. | Nov 29 21:59 |
| yuhong_ | It isn't that hard to workaround. | Nov 29 21:59 |
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| yuhong_ | I hasn't really evaluated the Surface diasater, but don't forget this: | Nov 29 22:02 |
| shreddar | http://daringfireball.net/2009/11/the_os_opportunity | Nov 29 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | "Now, there are two explanations for this. One, is that free speech no longer exists in Canada, which is news to me. I can't imagine even the most zealous border official was really trying *in principle* to restrict Ms Goodman's general right to talk about anything." http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/11/time-to-abolish-olympics.html | Nov 29 22:03 |
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| shreddar | It's old but I just read it. | Nov 29 22:03 |
| yuhong_ | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/windows-ugly-truth/#comment-75785 | Nov 29 22:03 |
| yuhong_ | Scroll down to Yuhong BAo. | Nov 29 22:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Windows Seems Like a Dead End | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 141.75 KB | Nov 29 22:03 |
| ender2070 | its the olypmics issue | Nov 29 22:04 |
| ender2070 | olympics | Nov 29 22:04 |
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| ender2070 | which is a leftover of the roman empire | Nov 29 22:05 |
| ender2070 | hence, why they have to power to own the word "Olympics" | Nov 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe they bought the city | Nov 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz | China was the same.. Beijing games | Nov 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Athletes not allowed to express opinion | Nov 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA (MPAA|RIAA) has the same rules | Nov 29 22:07 |
| ender2070 | being in china, it has the ability to hurt the olympics | Nov 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | If a film star or singer expresses an opinon s/he can be sacked | Nov 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | No new album.. | Nov 29 22:07 |
| ender2070 | if an athlete talks against communism for example | Nov 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Or Microsoft | Nov 29 22:08 |
| schestowitz | -p | Nov 29 22:08 |
| ender2070 | here, you just cant use the word olympics | Nov 29 22:08 |
| schestowitz | http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&source=hp&q=bsod+olympic&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Nov 29 22:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: bsod olympic - Google Images .::. Size~: 44.04 KB | Nov 29 22:08 |
| ender2070 | i think pool stores had to change the term "olympic size" too | Nov 29 22:08 |
| schestowitz | There's also the photography thing | Nov 29 22:08 |
| schestowitz | You can't take photographs | Nov 29 22:08 |
| schestowitz | They want a monopoly on it | Nov 29 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It's ridiculous | Nov 29 22:09 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 29 22:09 |
| ender2070 | the olympics are a scam | Nov 29 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Languages taken | Nov 29 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe SCO can ask Groklaw to remove its mentionings | Nov 29 22:09 |
| ender2070 | i plan to talk about the olympics regardless | Nov 29 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/23/gartner-group-censorship-intimidation/ | Nov 29 22:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Gartner Group Shows Its True Colours Censors Reporters | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 116 KB | Nov 29 22:10 |
| schestowitz | "When censorship goes too far, we cannot say Gar-ner anymore" | Nov 29 22:10 |
| schestowitz | v | Nov 29 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/44252 | Nov 29 22:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: When censorship goes too far, we cannot say Gar-ner anymore | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 123.33 KB | Nov 29 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090821/0427405958.shtml | Nov 29 22:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Gartner Tells Reporter: You're Not Allowed To Mention Gartner Research Without Our Permission | Techdirt .::. Size~: 49.66 KB | Nov 29 22:10 |
| ender2070 | i dont put up with censorship | Nov 29 22:11 |
| ender2070 | neither do our courts | Nov 29 22:11 |
| ender2070 | they refused to enforce the hate crime laws against someone who was anti zionist | Nov 29 22:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Government plans for US-style IT openness - by 2020 - http://bit.ly/92gSEe how feeble can you get? #ogov #fail | Nov 29 22:16 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Government plans for US-style IT openness - by 2020 (Tony Collins's IT Projects Blog) .::. Size~: 23.44 KB | Nov 29 22:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2009/11/the_myth_of_the_starship.html | Nov 29 22:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Charlie's Diary: The myth of the starship .::. Size~: 233.88 KB | Nov 29 22:19 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yes, RMS is also against this immunity for minority groups and religions | Nov 29 22:20 |
| schestowitz | It's an impediment sometimes | Nov 29 22:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin has other feelings | Nov 29 22:20 |
| schestowitz | He favours some censorship | Nov 29 22:20 |
| schestowitz | http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/27/dark-side-twitter-lists/ | Nov 29 22:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The dark side of Twitter lists .::. Size~: 52.62 KB | Nov 29 22:25 |
| _goblin | :) | Nov 29 22:25 |
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| _goblin | ender2070: Are you totally against censorship? | Nov 29 22:26 |
| ender2070 | to the best of my ability yes | Nov 29 22:27 |
| _goblin | ender2070: and do you agree that it has no place in our free society? | Nov 29 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Slippery slopes..... | Nov 29 22:27 |
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| _goblin | shhhh | Nov 29 22:27 |
| _goblin | ;) | Nov 29 22:27 |
| schestowitz | ssh -x goblin | Nov 29 22:27 |
| ender2070 | i dont believe in censorship | Nov 29 22:27 |
| ender2070 | it has no place | Nov 29 22:28 |
| _goblin | ender2070: So would it be fair to say that you would be happy for anyone to express themselves in anyway they liked on the net (for example) | Nov 29 22:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: BN says many things that other dare not say but they are true | Nov 29 22:28 |
| ender2070 | sounds quite reasonable | Nov 29 22:28 |
| schestowitz | The self-censorship that comes from fear of retaliation | Nov 29 22:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: some people are impolite | Nov 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | But yet, you don't see people running out there cursing in the streets | Nov 29 22:29 |
| _goblin | ender2070: So would you then condone (under the owners freedom of speach) a website displaying and promoting child exploitation.... | Nov 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Not just because of section 5 (IIRC) about disruption to other people | Nov 29 22:29 |
| ender2070 | a strawman arguement | Nov 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | There's a code of etiquette in society | Nov 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | We don't need laws | Nov 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | IOW | Nov 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Censorship without law is one thing | Nov 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I can tell you off for racism | Nov 29 22:30 |
| schestowitz | But the criminalise it is not good | Nov 29 22:30 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: child exploitation is not a free speech issue | Nov 29 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It's a child exploitation issue | Nov 29 22:30 |
| _goblin | ender2070: Not really....Censorship (if you wish not have it) has to apply to everything otherwise you still have censorship,.... | Nov 29 22:30 |
| ender2070 | i wouldn't condone the child exploitation, i would only defend their right to publish | Nov 29 22:30 |
| ender2070 | censoring child exploitation doesnt stop child exploitation, and having a site out there showing it will actually make it easier for the asshole to get caught | Nov 29 22:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webmink.net/2009/11/thankful-for-free-mp3s.htm | Nov 29 22:31 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: it can be a view if they agree and promote it.... | Nov 29 22:31 |
| schestowitz | heh. Phipps gets em one by one | Nov 29 22:31 |
| _goblin | ender2070: I see your point, but then what about the "freedom" of the victims on the site? Do they not have a right not to be shown on the net? | Nov 29 22:32 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I don't follow..... | Nov 29 22:32 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: not in general | Nov 29 22:32 |
| schestowitz | If I take a photo of a cop | Nov 29 22:32 |
| ender2070 | thats a far cry from an opinion | Nov 29 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Again... | Nov 29 22:32 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: There are some who believe there is nothing wrong with child exploitation..... | Nov 29 22:32 |
| schestowitz | You're mixing | Nov 29 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a child abuse issue | Nov 29 22:32 |
| _goblin | but isnt that what censorship is? | Nov 29 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Not one of being shown publicly | Nov 29 22:33 |
| ender2070 | child abuse itself is illegal | Nov 29 22:33 |
| _goblin | the removal of something to protect others from. | Nov 29 22:33 |
| schestowitz | You generalise and mix it with a crime | Nov 29 22:33 |
| _goblin | not really.... | Nov 29 22:33 |
| ender2070 | its not your right of opinion to publish child porn, its not protected by free speech | Nov 29 22:33 |
| _goblin | censorship is censorship....if you are saying that because its a crime it can't be classed as "censored"... | Nov 29 22:34 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 29 22:34 |
| schestowitz | That's not what I'm saying | Nov 29 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Child abuse is a crime | Nov 29 22:34 |
| _goblin | yep | Nov 29 22:34 |
| ender2070 | you wont be arrested for what you say, you're being arrested for your actions against the child | Nov 29 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Sabotage of public prperty too | Nov 29 22:34 |
| schestowitz | To spread videos of sabotage is therefore illicit | Nov 29 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Same with spreading abuse of kids | Nov 29 22:35 |
| _goblin | and like I say, under the freedom rule, people would be allowed to promote it......(im not talking photo's etc) | Nov 29 22:35 |
| schestowitz | There are laws against that | Nov 29 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Because they encourage the behaviour | Nov 29 22:36 |
| _goblin | really? | Nov 29 22:36 |
| schestowitz | People who post videos of bullying classmate for example | Nov 29 22:36 |
| schestowitz | See Italy-Google case | Nov 29 22:36 |
| schestowitz | They want to imprison Google execs | Nov 29 22:36 |
| _goblin | you have offences under the "attempts" legislation..... | Nov 29 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Censorship and freedom too very hard lines to draw. | Nov 29 22:36 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 29 22:36 |
| schestowitz | So publication of bad behaviour (like cracking a site) can be promotion of glorification of it | Nov 29 22:36 |
| shreddar | http://www.lockergnome.com/hackonia/2009/11/20/is-ie9-worth-getting-excited-about/ | Nov 29 22:37 |
| ender2070 | nothing is black and white | Nov 29 22:37 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: yep but its a world away from falling under the criminal attempts..... | Nov 29 22:37 |
| oiaohm | There has to be particular items censored because they are harmful. And freedom has to be restricted because some forms of freedoms would be major nightmares. | Nov 29 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Like if everyone has the freedom to kill any one would be a major headache. | Nov 29 22:37 |
| shreddar | " Many developers seemed to be of the mindset that Internet Explorer’s time had come and gone and that Microsoft should either ship a competitor’s browser or just make IE9 a webkit based browser. " | Nov 29 22:37 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: agreed. | Nov 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's simple | Nov 29 22:37 |
| ender2070 | i dont promote anarchism | Nov 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Freedom interfere | Nov 29 22:37 |
| _goblin | never would suggest you did....ender2070 | Nov 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | By definition of some, freedom doesn't mean BSD freedom | Nov 29 22:38 |
| ender2070 | you do though | Nov 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | "Freedom to rape me" | Nov 29 22:38 |
| ender2070 | by your definition of freedom | Nov 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It's freedom that respects others' too | Nov 29 22:38 |
| ender2070 | anything goes | Nov 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | A state that reduces friction and enables freedom | Nov 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | All planets are tied by gravity | Nov 29 22:38 |
| _goblin | and your opinion is valid......but its that censorship cannot be blanketed over the whole subject....Like Oiaohm says......"There has to be particular items censored because they are harmful" | Nov 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | So no planet is 100% free from another | Nov 29 22:39 |
| _goblin | Its like free speech.... | Nov 29 22:39 |
| _goblin | doesn't exist | Nov 29 22:39 |
| _goblin | cant exist | Nov 29 22:39 |
| _goblin | not even here. | Nov 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Well, due :-) :-) | Nov 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | *duh | Nov 29 22:39 |
| ender2070 | your sort of right | Nov 29 22:39 |
| _goblin | how many Trolls have been banned for messing in this channel? | Nov 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | But it's closer to it | Nov 29 22:39 |
| ender2070 | we were granted "permission" | Nov 29 22:39 |
| ender2070 | as long as we follow a set of rules, its liberty not freedom | Nov 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: nyms or trolls? | Nov 29 22:40 |
| _goblin | if we had true freedom then this channel would be a 24h spam/troll fest.... | Nov 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Trolls and names are not a 1-to-1 relationship | Nov 29 22:40 |
| _goblin | by the way...I fully support the banning of the trolls..... | Nov 29 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Respect of others. Ie don't do anything to harm others and don't allow harm to happen to others. | Nov 29 22:40 |
| _goblin | its just to prove a point...even in an open forum, rules need to exist. | Nov 29 22:40 |
| _goblin | otherwise anarchy rules. | Nov 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSBRU01057020091125 | Nov 29 22:41 |
| ender2070 | yes but im against the censorship used against people who arent causing harm | Nov 29 22:41 |
| _goblin | and you hit on a very good point..... | Nov 29 22:41 |
| ender2070 | which is 98% of the cases i read regarding censorship | Nov 29 22:41 |
| _goblin | who is to determine what causes harm? | Nov 29 22:41 |
| _goblin | and that supports your view as well as mine. | Nov 29 22:42 |
| ender2070 | harm = actively threatening to injure people | Nov 29 22:42 |
| _goblin | and we would agree.... | Nov 29 22:42 |
| ender2070 | someone else might not | Nov 29 22:42 |
| ender2070 | and then there would be a court case to determine whos right | Nov 29 22:42 |
| _goblin | thats why we have legislation now to cover some "freedoms" | Nov 29 22:43 |
| _goblin | Incitement to cause Racial Hatred is one example... | Nov 29 22:43 |
| ender2070 | like this guy: | Nov 29 22:44 |
| ender2070 | http://blog.freedomsite.org/2009/10/marc-lemire-files-in-federal-court.html | Nov 29 22:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The FreedomSite Blog: Marc Lemire files in Federal Court: Opposes the Canadian "Human Rights" Commission .::. Size~: 85.79 KB | Nov 29 22:44 |
| ender2070 | he won in court, despite users on his forum inciting racial hatred | Nov 29 22:44 |
| oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/sixth-sense-technology << you guys seen this. | Nov 29 22:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sixth Sense Technology | BlenderNation .::. Size~: 40.38 KB | Nov 29 22:47 |
| ender2070 | in canada anyways | Nov 29 22:47 |
| ender2070 | more freedom here | Nov 29 22:47 |
| _goblin | thats not what I (think) I read.... | Nov 29 22:49 |
| schestowitz | oooo... fireworks outside | Nov 29 22:49 |
| _goblin | wasn't there a story about Canada police/customs searching ipods and laptops for pirate warez? | Nov 29 22:49 |
| _goblin | could be wrong.... | Nov 29 22:49 |
| ender2070 | probably the american side | Nov 29 22:49 |
| _goblin | nah...found the article..... | Nov 29 22:51 |
| _goblin | http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/94193 | Nov 29 22:51 |
| _goblin | it was Canada...although I think its just proposed legislation. | Nov 29 22:51 |
| ender2070 | its proposed | Nov 29 22:51 |
| ender2070 | tho, we do random searches for child porn | Nov 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dadamotive.com/2009/11/no-fiber-please.html | Nov 29 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: good link | Nov 29 22:52 |
| ender2070 | searching ipods is kinda dumb, you can download music legally here off p2p | Nov 29 22:52 |
| _goblin | is that under its own act and section or merely a condition of entry into an airport etc... | Nov 29 22:52 |
| oiaohm | God _goblin darn I could get into trouble going into Canada | Nov 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | ACTA | Nov 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | They get a copy of your HDD IIRC | Nov 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Something like COFEE | Nov 29 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Thinking I am allowed to rip stuff for backup and transcoding reasons. _goblin | Nov 29 22:53 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 29 22:53 |
| ender2070 | ACTA is another one of those UN laws | Nov 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | It's not about freedom or speech | Nov 29 22:53 |
| ender2070 | the UN is trying to take over the world | Nov 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Or about national security | Nov 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | It's about security of the revenue of MAFIAA | Nov 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Not that it would work, either | Nov 29 22:53 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: UN is really not. ACTA was started by the USA with freetrade agreements. | Nov 29 22:54 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: just trying to? | Nov 29 22:54 |
| ender2070 | copenhagen | Nov 29 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes, ACTA is a Hollywood thing | Nov 29 22:54 |
| schestowitz | With other few people who own the US | Nov 29 22:54 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: the earth is in a bloody big mess. | Nov 29 22:54 |
| ender2070 | ACTA is being introduced in europe | Nov 29 22:54 |
| _goblin | I made some enquiries of COFEE...... | Nov 29 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Lisbon | Nov 29 22:54 |
| _goblin | nobody I know has ever used it..... | Nov 29 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Less water is a vaporating and we are worried about global warming ender2070 | Nov 29 22:54 |
| schestowitz | http://action.ffii.org/acta/lisbon EU competence to conclude Free Trade Agreements under the Lisbon Treaty | Nov 29 22:55 |
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| ender2070 | global warming is a scam | Nov 29 22:55 |
| ender2070 | climategate | Nov 29 22:55 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: Global dimming is not s scam ender2070 | Nov 29 22:55 |
| oiaohm | We wish it was. | Nov 29 22:55 |
| ender2070 | yes it is | Nov 29 22:55 |
| schestowitz | It's not a scam | Nov 29 22:55 |
| _goblin | Mars is apparently warming up too. | Nov 29 22:55 |
| schestowitz | The oil companis get to some people's heads | Nov 29 22:55 |
| schestowitz | It's sad | Nov 29 22:55 |
| ender2070 | its a tool to take facist control of the earth for environmental reasons, and to push population control | Nov 29 22:55 |
| ender2070 | the UN doesnt believe in democracy | Nov 29 22:56 |
| ender2070 | and the EU is a dictatorship | Nov 29 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It's not a tool | Nov 29 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It's true | Nov 29 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But it might be used | Nov 29 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Global dimming is a simple test put a container of water out in the sun work out the avapporation rate and compare that to many years before ender2070 | Nov 29 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Just because it's used doesn't make it false | Nov 29 22:56 |
| schestowitz | And just because 9/11 helped Iraq invasion doesn't mean it was planned | Nov 29 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Over the last 20 years the ammount of water evaporating has halved ender2070 | Nov 29 22:56 |
| oiaohm | End result is less rainfall globally. | Nov 29 22:57 |
| _goblin | I think Global warming is real, is man made, however I don't think there is anything we will be able to do about it.... | Nov 29 22:57 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - i dont take 9/11 conspiracies seriously | Nov 29 22:57 |
| schestowitz | OK, good... | Nov 29 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Well, actually there was a conpiracy | Nov 29 22:57 |
| schestowitz | A group of Arab men | Nov 29 22:58 |
| schestowitz | They conspired to attack WTC | Nov 29 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Global warming techincally should be controlled by natraul systems. Ie faster evaporation more clouds ie controlled. | Nov 29 22:58 |
| ender2070 | do you think the united nations has a department of population control that just sits on its hands? | Nov 29 22:58 |
| schestowitz | "Conpiracy" alone is not a dirty word | Nov 29 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Problem is we have global dimming that is our polution that is blocking the natural system taken care of it self. | Nov 29 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Also ice the stabliser of the envorment is not be retoped because of global dimming either. | Nov 29 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Ice needs snow. snow needs clouds. clouds need evaporation. | Nov 29 22:59 |
| ender2070 | i still think its a tool used for population control | Nov 29 23:00 |
| ender2070 | they are trying to tax babies in AU | Nov 29 23:00 |
| ender2070 | because of c02 | Nov 29 23:00 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: It needed here. | Nov 29 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Really. | Nov 29 23:00 |
| ender2070 | subliminally that tells people its not right for the planet to have kids | Nov 29 23:00 |
| oiaohm | This place has been insane burning sulfer rich coal 24/7 due to it being cheep ender2070 | Nov 29 23:01 |
| ender2070 | oiahm - the better solution would be to stop paying mothers a 6k bonus for each kid | Nov 29 23:01 |
| ender2070 | if global warming was as serious as they say, sanctions would be put on China | Nov 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | whose sanctions would China care about? | Nov 29 23:02 |
| ender2070 | the UN's | Nov 29 23:02 |
| MinceR | i don't see any chance for that | Nov 29 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Seriousally ender2070 that would only work for another about 12 years. | Nov 29 23:02 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: indeed | Nov 29 23:02 |
| schestowitz | We can't burn it forever | Nov 29 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Mikey knows... | Nov 29 23:02 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to him about it this morning...... | Nov 29 23:03 |
| ender2070 | they also have weather control weapons: HAARP | Nov 29 23:03 |
| schestowitz | We grew a lot in terms of population cause oil permitted it | Nov 29 23:03 |
| ender2070 | which heats the earth | Nov 29 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Energy makes everything from buildings to food | Nov 29 23:03 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: you are aware those weather controlled weapons were developed here in australian and are baned in australia. | Nov 29 23:03 |
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| ender2070 | HAARP is in alaska | Nov 29 23:04 |
| oiaohm | They have long term side effects ender2070 | Nov 29 23:04 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 29 23:04 |
| ender2070 | earthquakes (katrina) | Nov 29 23:04 |
| MinceR | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/28/2332254/Google-Eliminates-Gizmo5-Client-For-Linux?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Nov 29 23:04 |
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| ender2070 | they plan to regulate energy use by regular people | Nov 29 23:05 |
| ender2070 | but not regulate corporations and businesses | Nov 29 23:05 |
| ender2070 | which do it the worst | Nov 29 23:06 |
| ender2070 | how many places do you see that leave the lights on 24/7 | Nov 29 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Most don't here ender2070 | Nov 29 23:06 |
| ender2070 | au? | Nov 29 23:07 |
| oiaohm | In au. | Nov 29 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Big problem we have is coal power stations. | Nov 29 23:07 |
| oiaohm | They cannot be slowed down effectively. | Nov 29 23:07 |
| ender2070 | where i am | Nov 29 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Shutdown one down risks breaking the bugger. | Nov 29 23:07 |
| ender2070 | we have hydroelectric and nuclear | Nov 29 23:07 |
| ender2070 | niagra falls | Nov 29 23:07 |
| oiaohm | We have hydro and basically no nuclear | Nov 29 23:07 |
| ender2070 | should get nuclear | Nov 29 23:08 |
| oiaohm | Even that we are sitting on most of the world remain stock pile of nuclear fuel. | Nov 29 23:08 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Nov 29 23:08 |
| ender2070 | wrong | Nov 29 23:08 |
| ender2070 | Canada has way more | Nov 29 23:08 |
| ender2070 | untapped | Nov 29 23:08 |
| ender2070 | America got most of its material from us too | Nov 29 23:09 |
| ender2070 | at the expense of poisoning natives up north via their water | Nov 29 23:09 |
| ender2070 | which is why they kind of stoppped | Nov 29 23:09 |
| ender2070 | i cant cite that for you, learned it in school | Nov 29 23:10 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: to be correct wrong. Most of australias is untapped. | Nov 29 23:11 |
| oiaohm | We are only tapping the reservers that was leaking naturally. | Nov 29 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | Timely: http://ever-increasing-entropy.blogspot.com/2009/11/strange-ideas-about-freedom-of-speech.html | Nov 29 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | "I implemented the same policy after some foul mouthed and really nasty comments from some Linux haters." | Nov 29 23:15 |
| ender2070 | that actually reminds me | Nov 29 23:17 |
| ender2070 | i had to prevent some of righties comments | Nov 29 23:17 |
| ender2070 | on my own blog | Nov 29 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... http://blog.freedomsite.org/2009/10/xtra-feds-consider-striking-hate-speech.html | Nov 29 23:20 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16460/1090/1/1/ | Nov 29 23:23 |
| ender2070 | in lemire's own case it was overturned | Nov 29 23:23 |
| ender2070 | now hes trying to get it taken out completely | Nov 29 23:23 |
| ender2070 | "But the worst blow was dealt to the provision in September, when a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal declared the clause unconstitutional." | Nov 29 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.... | Nov 29 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Damn, I should post some Linux links tonight | Nov 29 23:33 |
| schestowitz | How the heck did I fall behind in a 4-day weekend? | Nov 29 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Too many naps today | Nov 29 23:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/issues/acta | Nov 29 23:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 21.14 KB | Nov 29 23:34 |
| schestowitz | The Big Boyz are busy | Nov 29 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Saving the world with ACTA Luv | Nov 29 23:34 |
| cubezzz | that Ballmer pic doesn't even look human :) | Nov 29 23:36 |
| cubezzz | I mean, am I stuck in a comedy universe or something? | Nov 29 23:38 |
| MinceR | it's comedy for those not forced to live in it | Nov 29 23:39 |
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| ender2070 | www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com | Nov 29 23:41 |
| ender2070 | one of the most informative sites | Nov 29 23:41 |
| ender2070 | he knew about the planned recession a few years back | Nov 29 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Another new case of censorship. http://search.sys-con.com/node/1200481 | Nov 29 23:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: When the Crowd is Racist at Google | Search Journal .::. Size~: 114.99 KB | Nov 29 23:47 |
| ender2070 | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6922245.ece | Nov 29 23:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Birth control: the most effective way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions - Times Online .::. Size~: 119.43 KB | Nov 29 23:48 |
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| ender2070 | the elite dont want to put up with us anymore now that we've helped them push technology so far | Nov 29 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Is Hovsepian an Iranian name? | Nov 29 23:52 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MUGZ6JuRI | Nov 29 23:52 |
| ender2070 | Architects of Control | Nov 29 23:53 |
| ender2070 | wicked documentary | Nov 29 23:53 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: I'll watch it in a mo | Nov 29 23:53 |
| schestowitz | 1 hour.. | Nov 29 23:53 |
| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/ad-acta/ | Nov 29 23:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ad ACTA « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 18.48 KB | Nov 29 23:54 |
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| ender2070 | everyone should read Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness | Nov 29 23:57 |
| ender2070 | "Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness" | Nov 29 23:57 |
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