| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8387095.stm "swine flu was the story that dominated UK news headlines." | Dec 01 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | ....stay away from people.... they'll give you swine flu and you'll DIE. /sarcasm | Dec 01 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Stay separated and weakened | Dec 01 00:16 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8385891.stm "The LHC pushed the energy of its particle beams beyond one trillion electron volts, making it the world's highest-energy particle accelerator." | Dec 01 00:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 94.22 KB | Dec 01 00:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.locutus.us/mininova_site_shutdown | Dec 01 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: you gotta read this: http://www.daniweb.com/news/story242482.html | Dec 01 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's just as I told you the other day | Dec 01 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Hess: "I was talking with my friend, Jason Perlow, yesterday and he told me that I should back off of the free software rants because he feels that I'm entering the gray edges of freakdom." | Dec 01 00:37 |
| schestowitz | See? | Dec 01 00:38 |
| schestowitz | jperlow | Dec 01 00:38 |
| schestowitz | the anti-Chri... errr... RMS | Dec 01 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/11/dnssec-under-attack.html | Dec 01 00:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] For the first time ever I want to pay money for a font. http://is.gd/58nPH I was Sarcastic Robot Monospace Handwriting in *my* terminal. | Dec 01 00:41 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Results .::. Size~: 13.24 KB | Dec 01 00:41 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 01 00:41 |
| Ender2070 | good stuff | Dec 01 00:41 |
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| *schestowitz has kicked zahzam from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Dec 01 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | That's mutex evading the ban on him | Dec 01 00:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] For the first time ever I want to pay money for a font. http://is.gd/58nPH I want Sarcastic Robot Monospace Handwriting in *my* terminal. | Dec 01 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | It would be nice to keep a list of his names | Dec 01 00:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Results .::. Size~: 13.27 KB | Dec 01 00:42 |
| schestowitz | He had had close to 100 | Dec 01 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Dec 01 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Paying for fonts... glyphs and Bezier curves | Dec 01 00:43 |
| cubezzz | 6 million dollar man font would be cool :) | Dec 01 00:44 |
| cubezzz | RMS is right though, closed source sucks | Dec 01 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Except for the "sucks" | Dec 01 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68754.html | Dec 01 00:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux News: Community: One More Turkey? 'Fired for Using Linux' .::. Size~: 61.39 KB | Dec 01 00:49 |
| cubezzz | guaranteed obsolescence | Dec 01 00:50 |
| cubezzz | older Linux becomes obsolete too, but you can update it | Dec 01 00:51 |
| schestowitz | BSD is no Linux........ http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd8_benchmarks&num=10 | Dec 01 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | Well behind | Dec 01 00:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The attacks on #kde make NO SENSE to me whatsoever. http://ur1.ca/gwqy #kde4 is wonderful and mates move to it! | Dec 01 00:58 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin even left GNOME aside cause of kde4 | Dec 01 00:59 |
| schestowitz | http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ | Dec 01 00:59 |
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| cubezzz | I still use GNOME | Dec 01 01:00 |
| cubezzz | new KDE runs slow on older hardware | Dec 01 01:00 |
| cubezzz | I don't bother attacking anyone for using KDE though :) | Dec 01 01:01 |
| schestowitz | http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-44-dev-whats-new/ | Dec 01 01:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/30/crunchpad-end/ *sigh* | Dec 01 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Perlow was in the BN IRC channel for a few weeks and I can't figure out why he hates RMS so much. I've been enjoying Ken's recent articles and I hope he keeps up the good 'fight'. RMS is just trying to spread solidarity, yet his detractors try to paint him as this "Dangerous Man" who will shout at you. | Dec 01 01:15 |
| cubezzz | checked out several retailers for laptops tonight | Dec 01 01:15 |
| cubezzz | everything was Intel based or AMD based CPU | Dec 01 01:16 |
| cubezzz | of course, RMS isn't dangerous | Dec 01 01:16 |
| cubezzz | no one even heard of ARM CPU :-P | Dec 01 01:17 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I put "fight" in scare quotes because RMS is known for his peace activism. He doesn't really fight. I find it fascinating how when someone 'dares' to criticise mechanisms of control, then that person -- not the controller -- is labeled as "disruption". Same with peaceful protesters. | Dec 01 01:18 |
| schestowitz | ARM is not for standard "PC" | Dec 01 01:19 |
| schestowitz | ARM is also British and IIRC you're commonwealth | Dec 01 01:19 |
| schestowitz | The British industry is less predatory based on my experience | Dec 01 01:20 |
| schestowitz | No Wal-Marts here, either | Dec 01 01:20 |
| cubezzz | so is there lots of ARM stuff in UK? | Dec 01 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Mostly Tesco-Sainsbury's.... but Wal-Mart entered with a sort of takeover | Dec 01 01:21 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: there are some ARM machines at the shops | Dec 01 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Like Maplin's | Dec 01 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Asda=Wal-Mart | Dec 01 01:22 |
| cubezzz | that is much better than here then | Dec 01 01:22 |
| cubezzz | I have to import, no choice | Dec 01 01:23 |
| cubezzz | for now | Dec 01 01:25 |
| cubezzz | is there still Marks & Spencers? | Dec 01 01:26 |
| cubezzz | in UK, I assume yes | Dec 01 01:26 |
| cubezzz | they left Canada a while ago | Dec 01 01:26 |
| cubezzz | I see the odd Sharp Zaurus C3000 on ebay | Dec 01 01:28 |
| cubezzz | the best deal on laptops seemed to be Acer Aspire 15.6" AMD Athlon TF-20 1.6GHz | Dec 01 01:30 |
| cubezzz | for $369 CAN | Dec 01 01:30 |
| schestowitz | M&S is still here | Dec 01 01:31 |
| schestowitz | For rich people with more money than sense :-) | Dec 01 01:32 |
| schestowitz | http://pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=293670&Itemid=29 | Dec 01 01:32 |
| cubezzz | actually I have 4 ARM devices already | Dec 01 01:33 |
| cubezzz | 3 Dlink routers, and one zaurus | Dec 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they outnumber x86 | Dec 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | But people think "computer"=casing | Dec 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Let me put it this way: | Dec 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Had you shrunk your PC to PDA size... | Dec 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | And then attached a monitor to that.. | Dec 01 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Then maybe people would rethink what "computer" ("Desktop") means | Dec 01 01:36 |
| cubezzz | it's connected at the ssh level | Dec 01 01:37 |
| cubezzz | or ncurses level | Dec 01 01:37 |
| cubezzz | I guess I shouldn't complain | Dec 01 01:38 |
| cubezzz | things are actually pretty good, better in many ways than before | Dec 01 01:38 |
| cubezzz | in the "old days" I paid $200 for a C compiler | Dec 01 01:39 |
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| cubezzz | plus I had to drive into Toronto :) | Dec 01 01:40 |
| cubezzz | unfortunately I don't have a working Amiga now | Dec 01 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | Some boxed ones might be up for sale | Dec 01 01:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=ebay+boxed+amiga&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Dec 01 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/21601 | Dec 01 01:50 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't know it existed | Dec 01 01:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/30/arrington-ends-crunc.html | Dec 01 01:52 |
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| cubezzz | Amiga 1200 would be quite avant-garde now | Dec 01 01:56 |
| cubezzz | I'm not even sure if it would work with an LCD monitor | Dec 01 01:57 |
| schestowitz | TBH, I'm not sure why we still use monitors | Dec 01 01:58 |
| schestowitz | They are highly energy-inefficient | Dec 01 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Same with TV | Dec 01 01:58 |
| schestowitz | You could simulate the signals and put them closer to the retina | Dec 01 01:58 |
| cubezzz | you mean cathode ray tubes or any monitor? | Dec 01 01:58 |
| schestowitz | It would also make it more mobile, less wires, etc. | Dec 01 01:58 |
| schestowitz | The small TV on eyeglasses never caught on. I watched it on Discovery (AU) as a kid | Dec 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: we have high pixel density now, so neither | Dec 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Take N900 for example (Nokia) | Dec 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | 600x800 px or something like that | Dec 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Smaller than a fist | Dec 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Shrink it further, make it wearable | Dec 01 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Small, cool (as in cold) ARM chip in your shirt's pocket to drive the whole sheband with 3G | Dec 01 02:00 |
| schestowitz | *shebang | Dec 01 02:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39846686-39001121c-20105831o,00.htm | Dec 01 02:03 |
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| cubezzz | schestowitz, how about a HUD? | Dec 01 02:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: "Like the salt satyagraha of gandhi, what we need is a Land Satyagraha " Vandana Siva #orissaresistance #padayatra #ori | Dec 01 02:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: "People cant eat steel. Hunger is the major problm in india. Every 4th person is malnutritioned. Govt keeps ignoring dis | Dec 01 02:09 | |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display | Dec 01 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | Owned: http://www.dailystatus.co.uk/ | Dec 01 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: not seen this type before. | Dec 01 02:15 |
| schestowitz | read first comment here: http://www.daniweb.com/news/story242482.html | Dec 01 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pricemo.com/laptops/members-abandoning-intels-mid-alliance-hopefully-9277/ | Dec 01 02:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Members abandoning Intels MID alliance? Hopefully. review | Laptops | Pricemo .::. Size~: 56.91 KB | Dec 01 02:17 |
| schestowitz | OK, time for a movie, then bed :-D | Dec 01 02:18 |
| cubezzz | freetopia :) | Dec 01 02:19 |
| cubezzz | are _you_ a freetopian? :) | Dec 01 02:20 |
| cubezzz | alas, there's a shortage | Dec 01 02:20 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] [video] [ogg] FOSS show in NDTV http://tinyvid.tv/show/2v9ztk5elnidp (via @eduvid) | Dec 01 02:21 | |
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| schestowitz | Let me look it up to see if I think it means what it really does | Dec 01 02:21 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=freetopia | Dec 01 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Stub for you | Dec 01 02:22 |
| schestowitz | I suppose it's a Freedom utopia | Dec 01 02:22 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I always get the work part | Dec 01 02:22 |
| schestowitz | But that's a vague concept | Dec 01 02:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141459/Update_Racist_image_tops_Google_search_results_for_Michelle_Obama | Dec 01 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Too much overage about it | Dec 01 02:22 |
| schestowitz | No idea why I even pass it on.... | Dec 01 02:23 |
| schestowitz | There are many such pictures | Dec 01 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer is shown as a monkey oo | Dec 01 02:23 |
| schestowitz | *too | Dec 01 02:23 |
| cubezzz | better to stick with software | Dec 01 02:23 |
| schestowitz | But they would not remove it | Dec 01 02:23 |
| cubezzz | censorship! :) | Dec 01 02:24 |
| cubezzz | cuts both ways | Dec 01 02:25 |
| schestowitz | OK, this is just freaky. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AJbjLfOMMSQ/SaViFHYag1I/AAAAAAAACn0/c8RPaq7nhNc/s400/monkey-hillary.jpg | Dec 01 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | They don't know about Masnick's Streisand Effect | Dec 01 02:25 |
| schestowitz | By making a big dead out of these photos they only ENCOURAGE even MORE people to view it | Dec 01 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Had they left it alone there would be no scene | Dec 01 02:26 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, do you know Ken Hess? | Dec 01 02:33 |
| schestowitz | No, not personally | Dec 01 02:36 |
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| cubezzz | veatnik makes such a good common, Hess thinks it could be RMS himself :) | Dec 01 02:41 |
| cubezzz | comment | Dec 01 02:41 |
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| thenixedreport | Hey everyone. | Dec 01 02:45 |
| thenixedreport | It's been a while. | Dec 01 02:45 |
| thenixedreport | How has everyone been? | Dec 01 02:49 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Surprised Kitty http://ur1.ca/gwk8 | Dec 01 02:56 | |
| thenixedreport | That is one cute kitty cat. | Dec 01 03:00 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @tamenem: Army Responds to “Near Epidemic” of Suicide http://bit.ly/6nm4Of @democracy_now had this story 2 weeks ago http://ur1.ca/gwyh | Dec 01 03:12 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Army Responds to Near Epidemic of Suicide | Secrecy News .::. Size~: 19.34 KB | Dec 01 03:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Parents of Iraq Veteran Receive Mistaken Notice from US Gov't, Not Condolence Letter They Await from Obama .::. Size~: 41.73 KB | Dec 01 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Hey, thenixedreport | Dec 01 03:14 |
| thenixedreport | Greetings Roy. | Dec 01 03:15 |
| schestowitz | thenixedreport: is freedomware still on? | Dec 01 03:15 |
| thenixedreport | It is. | Dec 01 03:15 |
| thenixedreport | Right now though, I need to strategize. | Dec 01 03:16 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:16 |
| thenixedreport | Do you know of anyone who would be interested in participating? | Dec 01 03:16 |
| schestowitz | What's involved? | Dec 01 03:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♻ @tamenem: Army Responds to “Near Epidemic” of Suicide http://bit.ly/6nm4Of @democracy_now had this story 2 weeks ago http://ur1.ca/gwyh | Dec 01 03:19 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Army Responds to Near Epidemic of Suicide | Secrecy News .::. Size~: 19.34 KB | Dec 01 03:19 |
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| thenixedreport | Well, at this point, I am attempting to get people who are interested in doing tutorials for software. | Dec 01 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Support the troops, bring them back (out of the expire) | Dec 01 03:21 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:21 |
| schestowitz | *empire | Dec 01 03:21 |
| thenixedreport | There is one person working on one for OpenOffice.org Writer. | Dec 01 03:22 |
| schestowitz | Are there criteria for Freedomware (one to pass to qualify)? | Dec 01 03:22 |
| schestowitz | Or a moral code? | Dec 01 03:22 |
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| thenixedreport | Ok. | Dec 01 03:22 |
| thenixedreport | Are you talking about the definition of it? | Dec 01 03:22 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it's 3am here | Dec 01 03:22 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm struggling to stay up | Dec 01 03:22 |
| thenixedreport | lol | Dec 01 03:22 |
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| schestowitz | Just finished http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/30/virtualbox-3-1-released/ | Dec 01 03:23 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, definition | Dec 01 03:23 |
| schestowitz | gn | Dec 01 03:23 |
| shreddar | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/11/google-gears.html | Dec 01 03:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What's powering Web apps: Google waving goodbye to Gears, hello to HTML5 | Technology | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 84.86 KB | Dec 01 03:24 |
| thenixedreport | Start with the FSF and their four freedoms. | Dec 01 03:25 |
| thenixedreport | If people are allowed to share copies of software (binary and code) and make changes to the code, it's considered liberated. | Dec 01 03:26 |
| thenixedreport | There is a difference with freedomware though. | Dec 01 03:27 |
| thenixedreport | Let's say a piece of software is licensed under the GPL, but it won't work without .NET. | Dec 01 03:27 |
| thenixedreport | If proprietary software and libraries are required to compile/run the software, it is not freedomware. | Dec 01 03:27 |
| thenixedreport | Also, I have no qualms about using liberated software to play MP3 files. | Dec 01 03:29 |
| thenixedreport | That is another difference (and the patent holders who waited for MP3 to become popular... they can rot for all I care). | Dec 01 03:29 |
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| cubezzz | yeah I avoid .net stuff | Dec 01 03:29 |
| thenixedreport | When it comes to the philosophy of freedomware, playing DVD's is perfectly okay. | Dec 01 03:30 |
| thenixedreport | This is due to the fact that the laws against playback without proprietary software (DMCA) is not a justifiable law to begin with. | Dec 01 03:31 |
| thenixedreport | It violates the rights of the consumer. | Dec 01 03:31 |
| thenixedreport | At the same time, proprietary software is to be avoided as much as possible, but not condemned. | Dec 01 03:31 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Dec 01 03:31 |
| cubezzz | no source, no use :) | Dec 01 03:32 |
| thenixedreport | Instead, one could appeal to the authors of the proprietary app/library in question to release the source code under a liberated license. | Dec 01 03:32 |
| thenixedreport | Such as the GPL. | Dec 01 03:32 |
| thenixedreport | Or LGPL | Dec 01 03:32 |
| thenixedreport | Or liberated alternatives can be supported instead. | Dec 01 03:33 |
| thenixedreport | One example is Flash. | Dec 01 03:33 |
| thenixedreport | People are attempting to make alternatives, such as swfdec and gnash. | Dec 01 03:33 |
| thenixedreport | While others have decided to use HTML 5 and Ogg Theora instead. | Dec 01 03:33 |
| cubezzz | wait, I have one exception | Dec 01 03:34 |
| cubezzz | a special case | Dec 01 03:34 |
| thenixedreport | Go on. | Dec 01 03:34 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:34 |
| cubezzz | when the source code is lost to a program, I will still use the program | Dec 01 03:34 |
| cubezzz | because accidents can always happen | Dec 01 03:35 |
| cubezzz | so I had the source at one point, but it got lost, and now I only have the binary | Dec 01 03:35 |
| cubezzz | in that case I would still use the program | Dec 01 03:35 |
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| thenixedreport | Hmm... | Dec 01 03:35 |
| thenixedreport | Interesting. | Dec 01 03:35 |
| thenixedreport | I'm assuming the authors lost the source in this scenario as well? | Dec 01 03:36 |
| cubezzz | I'll try to re-create it of course | Dec 01 03:36 |
| thenixedreport | Ah, you are the author. | Dec 01 03:36 |
| thenixedreport | Understood. | Dec 01 03:36 |
| cubezzz | yes, it's lost as in a "lost film" lost :) | Dec 01 03:36 |
| cubezzz | no one has it | Dec 01 03:36 |
| thenixedreport | I see. | Dec 01 03:36 |
| thenixedreport | You could invite others to reverse engineer it. | Dec 01 03:37 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:37 |
| cubezzz | yes, no problem there | Dec 01 03:37 |
| cubezzz | but I really hate closed source, except for that special case | Dec 01 03:37 |
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| cubezzz | we're not even close to freetopia in that regard | Dec 01 03:38 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:38 |
| cubezzz | binary blobs are still very common | Dec 01 03:38 |
| cubezzz | really lack of knowledge is the primary obstacle | Dec 01 03:39 |
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| cubezzz | and NDA's | Dec 01 03:40 |
| cubezzz | DVDs are just silly anyway | Dec 01 03:40 |
| cubezzz | obsolete technology | Dec 01 03:40 |
| cubezzz | 8.3 filenames? | Dec 01 03:41 |
| cubezzz | 20 years ago I'd say yeah, just use what you need to get your work done | Dec 01 03:42 |
| cubezzz | but using proprietary software is mostly avoidable now | Dec 01 03:43 |
| cubezzz | I can't justify using it for myself | Dec 01 03:43 |
| thenixedreport | For some people who are a part of the alternative media though.... | Dec 01 03:44 |
| thenixedreport | What they do may require something like Flash or Skype. | Dec 01 03:45 |
| thenixedreport | I know how Skype has decent voice quality as voip software. | Dec 01 03:45 |
| thenixedreport | Broadcast quality too. | Dec 01 03:45 |
| thenixedreport | Are there any voip clients that are capable of that? | Dec 01 03:45 |
| cubezzz | ah, if someone wants to use Skype they are free to do so :) | Dec 01 03:47 |
| cubezzz | I'd have to research that specific problem | Dec 01 03:48 |
| thenixedreport | With Skype, it can sound like the person is in the same room as you (or studio depending on what's being done). | Dec 01 03:48 |
| cubezzz | there's no technical reason why it couldn't be done with FOSS | Dec 01 03:48 |
| thenixedreport | I haven't given Ekiga a try myself, but I intend to do so. | Dec 01 03:49 |
| cubezzz | wikipedia says the license is freeware | Dec 01 03:50 |
| cubezzz | but I assume that still means closed source? | Dec 01 03:50 |
| thenixedreport | As in the source isn't available. | Dec 01 03:51 |
| thenixedreport | Yep. | Dec 01 03:51 |
| cubezzz | well, it's not as bad as a binary blob driver | Dec 01 03:52 |
| cubezzz | I can understand people using Skype | Dec 01 03:52 |
| cubezzz | there's callweaver | Dec 01 03:53 |
| *cubezzz likes text mode :) | Dec 01 03:54 | |
| cubezzz | Flash is bad too | Dec 01 03:55 |
| cubezzz | but I can usually run around Flash for my own purposes | Dec 01 03:55 |
| cubezzz | Flash is usually used to hide stuff | Dec 01 03:55 |
| cubezzz | Stallman has done teleconferencing | Dec 01 03:57 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:57 |
| cubezzz | I wonder what he uses | Dec 01 03:57 |
| thenixedreport | Well, it's time for bed for me. | Dec 01 03:59 |
| thenixedreport | I bid you all good night. | Dec 01 03:59 |
| thenixedreport | :) | Dec 01 03:59 |
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| oiaohm | http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/12/01/0025213/Ethics-of-Releasing-Non-Malicious-Linux-Malware Seeing this kind of comments want to make me laugh people want to forget the Linux virus faq and satan systems. | Dec 01 05:56 |
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| DaemonFC | damn it | Dec 01 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | fixed :P | Dec 01 08:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] MOXNEWS.COM: Ralph Nader "There are hundreds of thousands of people in #jail that shouldn't be there!" http://ur1.ca/gxcc #corporatewelfare | Dec 01 09:07 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] hahaha conflicker (windows virus) brings down CAT #exams . IIM's should be asked to use !linux :-) | Dec 01 09:16 | |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Its conflicker and some other virus that crashed and overloaded online CAT exams in india | Dec 01 09:19 |
| zer0c00l | Conficker and Nimda | Dec 01 09:20 |
| oiaohm | highly stable systems against threats don't depend on a single OS. | Dec 01 09:26 |
| oiaohm | http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/nintendos-legal-team-to-investigate-possible-copyright-infringement-1828267.html | Dec 01 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Dec 01 09:31 |
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| fewa | o geeze its true http://home.cogeco.ca/~husky66/Milk/steps/ | Dec 01 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 01 10:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux a Rescuer in Case of #Hardware Failure http://blogs.computerworld.com/15168/linux_rescues_a_failing_hard_drive | Dec 01 10:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Lists Supported #Subnotebooks for #ChromeOS (Linux) http://ur1.ca/gxfr | Dec 01 10:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comprehensive Look at Key Features of #KDE 4.4 http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-44-dev-whats-new/ | Dec 01 10:29 | |
| zer0c00l | fsck trolls in #emacs attacking rms | Dec 01 10:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Annual Conference Planned in Holland http://ur1.ca/gxfz http://ur1.ca/gxg0 | Dec 01 10:32 | |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: it means he does well | Dec 01 10:33 |
| schestowitz | If they don't attack him, he's not succeeding | Dec 01 10:34 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Dec 01 10:34 |
| zer0c00l | +1 | Dec 01 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I remember the Boycott Novell protests | Dec 01 10:35 |
| schestowitz | RMS said it was the first time ever that peaceful protests of Free software were faced by police brutality | Dec 01 10:36 |
| schestowitz | So he was happy, that being a milestone | Dec 01 10:36 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @sankarshan: Ah yes ! Today is the "get reminded of your subscription to massive number of mailing lists" day. #inboxclutter | Dec 01 10:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Side of #Mandriva #Linux 2010 Reviewed, Works Well http://pbs01.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/mandriva-linux-2010-gnome-solid-and-sweet/ | Dec 01 10:37 | |
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| schestowitz | Anivar was removed by force | Dec 01 10:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Videos Show Top Features in #Fedora 12 http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ #redhat | Dec 01 10:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Ubuntu and Ubuntu Derivative #Mint 8 http://ur1.ca/gxga http://ur1.ca/gxgb | Dec 01 10:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Details About a #Google Phone Based on #Linux http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/30/google_phone_tablet/ | Dec 01 10:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #KDE 4.4 for Sub-notebooks http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091130#feature #gnu #linux | Dec 01 10:47 | |
| Diablo-D3 | a google phone... based on... linux | Dec 01 10:47 |
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| Diablo-D3 | so, android? | Dec 01 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | all 9000 of them? | Dec 01 10:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 01 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, that article sucks | Dec 01 10:48 |
| schestowitz | THis is is manufactued for Linux | Dec 01 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just trying to play out the google android phone | Dec 01 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | which already exists | Dec 01 10:48 |
| *Diablo-D3 knows people, and is probably violating their ndas | Dec 01 10:49 | |
| fewa | android shows why the term GNU/Linux is important | Dec 01 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: google created android just to give rms traction. | Dec 01 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Dec 01 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a giant conspiracy | Dec 01 10:49 |
| fewa | or at least a distinction between the kernel and the rest of the system | Dec 01 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | bill gates did 9/11 | Dec 01 10:49 |
| fewa | android is a POS | Dec 01 10:50 |
| fewa | Faux "free" | Dec 01 10:50 |
| MinceR | you can't violate the NDAs of others :> | Dec 01 10:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Increasingly Focused on #Linux , Software http://ur1.ca/gxgm http://ur1.ca/gxgn http://ur1.ca/gxgo# | Dec 01 10:50 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: dude, I violate things. | Dec 01 10:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 01 10:50 |
| MinceR | if they've disclosed info to you that you're disclosing, they've broken their NDAs when they told you | Dec 01 10:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Failure of #Vista7 Leads to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/gxgr #Vista7fail #thunderbird | Dec 01 10:51 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yes, but its only a violation if it goes public | Dec 01 10:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, I did the violating | Dec 01 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like, its not illegal if you dont get caught | Dec 01 10:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Companies Add #GNU #Linux Options to Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/gxgu http://ur1.ca/gxgv | Dec 01 10:52 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | lolollololol lenovo ideashit | Dec 01 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | shitpad | Dec 01 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | lenovo shitpad | Dec 01 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | comes in chocolate brown | Dec 01 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously though | Dec 01 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont care what google does | Dec 01 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | until they personally ship me a google phone for me to blog favorably about, I dont care | Dec 01 10:53 |
| MinceR | i'm a bit worried about what google does | Dec 01 10:54 |
| MinceR | but i don't care much about android | Dec 01 10:54 |
| MinceR | it sucks and it can't affect me | Dec 01 10:54 |
| MinceR | at least for now | Dec 01 10:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | android actually doesnt suck | Dec 01 10:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | it does exactly what it needs to | Dec 01 10:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is, mobile phone hardware sucks | Dec 01 10:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | android on my desktop fliiiiiiiessssss | Dec 01 10:55 |
| MinceR | if that's what it needs to do then it's ridiculously overpriced | Dec 01 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its rather pointless, but it goes zoom | Dec 01 10:55 |
| MinceR | and put on a ridiculously overpowered piece of hw | Dec 01 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: erm, android is free | Dec 01 10:55 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: erm, android phones aren't free | Dec 01 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but neither is any other hardware | Dec 01 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | so your point is kindof moot | Dec 01 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is no computer currently in production that runs windows well, yet people keep using windows | Dec 01 10:56 |
| MinceR | except that smartphones that cost that much tend to be more open, more powerful and more usable | Dec 01 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | people keep trying to run crysis too | Dec 01 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: actually | Dec 01 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can get low end android phones pretty cheap | Dec 01 10:56 |
| MinceR | and they tend to allow users to run non-java apps and they tend to let such apps access most APIs | Dec 01 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, MinceR | Dec 01 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | you do realize | Dec 01 10:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #VirtualBox 3.1 is Officially Released by #Sun http://ur1.ca/gxh1 http://ur1.ca/gxh2 | Dec 01 10:57 | |
| MinceR | in any case, i don't do low end | Dec 01 10:57 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they make android phones that are more powerful than a iphone 3gs, right? | Dec 01 10:57 |
| MinceR | i got tired of carrying a separate PDA and phone long ago | Dec 01 10:57 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: hypePhones don't matter, they're horribly shitty | Dec 01 10:57 |
| MinceR | they let the user do less than many featurephones | Dec 01 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | until 2nd gen android phones came out, the 3gs was the best hardware on the market | Dec 01 10:58 |
| MinceR | the hw might be fine, but the hypePhone OS makes it useless | Dec 01 10:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #OpenXchange for Mail, #SeaMonkey in #Review http://ur1.ca/gxh4 http://ur1.ca/gxh5 | Dec 01 10:58 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | yes and no | Dec 01 10:58 |
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| MinceR | except that all hypePhone hws lack keyboards so they all suck anyway | Dec 01 10:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only major problem, that I see, is no one has gotten android to run on the iphone yet. | Dec 01 10:58 |
| MinceR | even if you do get android run on the hypePhone, you still lose your warranty and it's still android | Dec 01 10:59 |
| MinceR | so that's a lose-lose situation | Dec 01 10:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Poem for #FreeSoftware http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/i-am-the-very-model-of-an-open-source-sensational-35617 | Dec 01 10:59 | |
| Diablo-D3 | android > iphone os though | Dec 01 10:59 |
| MinceR | agreed | Dec 01 10:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it'd probably blow a minds | Dec 01 10:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | in fact, I wouldnt be surprised if people at google dont already have this working | Dec 01 11:00 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure about that | Dec 01 11:00 |
| MinceR | crApple cultists wouldn't care since android isn't crApple | Dec 01 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | google has android running on a fucking toaster, dude | Dec 01 11:00 |
| MinceR | others wouldn't care since it's still a hypePhone | Dec 01 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, MinceR | Dec 01 11:00 |
| MinceR | and there is better hw running android already | Dec 01 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | what I wanna see is chromeOS and android merge | Dec 01 11:00 |
| MinceR | that could result in something good | Dec 01 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | chromeOS could be really really powerful if it had an OS to go with it | Dec 01 11:01 |
| MinceR | bringing GNU into android... but i think that's unlikely | Dec 01 11:01 |
| MinceR | it's more likely that they'll neuter ChromeOS in the process | Dec 01 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | not really | Dec 01 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | ChromeOS is rather boned because its incomplete | Dec 01 11:01 |
| MinceR | yet in a way it's more complete than android | Dec 01 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, switching to Wayland can't happen until Wayland supports something like UXA | Dec 01 11:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Orange Chooses #FreeSoftware for Developer Toolkit http://ur1.ca/gxh9 | Dec 01 11:02 | |
| Diablo-D3 | that will be such a wonderful day | Dec 01 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | uxa, btw, is the dri2 acceleration path in X | Dec 01 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the replacement for exa | Dec 01 11:03 |
| MinceR | i'd rather see the nokia n900 support headset adapters | Dec 01 11:03 |
| MinceR | they already have a somewhat sane mobile OS | Dec 01 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you do realize what Im saying, right? | Dec 01 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more fucking X | Dec 01 11:03 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: i'm not the anti-X cheerleader here | Dec 01 11:03 |
| MinceR | in case you didn't notice | Dec 01 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but X is so horrid | Dec 01 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | it ruins the linux desktop | Dec 01 11:04 |
| MinceR | it's so horrid nobody has ever come up with anything better | Dec 01 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | um, hello? | Dec 01 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | wayland. | Dec 01 11:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not exactly true. | Dec 01 11:04 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: wayland is far from complete. | Dec 01 11:04 |
| oiaohm | wayland uses the under framework of X11 Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, but it _is_ better | Dec 01 11:04 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you have the right to be wrong. | Dec 01 11:04 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: if it can't run my desktop then no it isn't | Dec 01 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: depends how you define "under framework" | Dec 01 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | mesa, dri2, gallium, etc, do not belong to X | Dec 01 11:05 |
| oiaohm | There have been many different desktop frameworks. | Dec 01 11:05 |
| MinceR | bbl | Dec 01 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Big issue is only X11 has been getting drivers Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | so? | Dec 01 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is what gallium and dri2 are for | Dec 01 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | you no longer even need graphics at all to access the hardware (ie, opencl) | Dec 01 11:06 |
| oiaohm | gallium3d and dri2 and kms really altering the underside to allow moving away from X11 if that is the way it goes. | Dec 01 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | UXA is a very thin layer over mesaland | Dec 01 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | an X server using UXA drivers is basically not doing anything at all | Dec 01 11:07 |
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| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: moving the video care memory management kernel side allows items like UXA to work bipassing X11. | Dec 01 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Basically we were stuck with X11 until the changes that started in 2004 started happening. | Dec 01 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, earlier than that | Dec 01 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | mesa solo was the first big effort | Dec 01 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Dec 01 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, really | Dec 01 11:09 |
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| Diablo-D3 | it inspired moving everything out of the kernel and exposing the HAL directly | Dec 01 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Dec 01 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | out of the X server | Dec 01 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Most of the other frameworks still had the video care memory management in userspace | Dec 01 11:09 |
| Jonah | hi there | Dec 01 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: mesa solo didnt | Dec 01 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it used DRI normally | Dec 01 11:10 |
| Jonah | so there is no more microsoft then? | Dec 01 11:10 |
| oiaohm | DRI1 does not support kernel space memory management of video card Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes, but this was also a decade ago. | Dec 01 11:10 |
| Jonah | Thats great cus the whole they dug in the first place aint good enough. | Dec 01 11:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: mesa solo really was the first effort to separate graphics from X | Dec 01 11:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government of #Extremadura Loves #FreeSoftware , CIO Explains Why http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/31444 | Dec 01 11:11 | |
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| Jonah | I think it's far past the truth now that the money was used for something else for example to build a nother country up? | Dec 01 11:11 |
| oiaohm | First was framebuffer Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope. | Dec 01 11:11 |
| Jonah | second? | Dec 01 11:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you do realize, btw, mesa solo is mesa on the console, right? | Dec 01 11:12 |
| Jonah | that strange cus have lots of evidence that MS programmers are loosing ground with the old foregetfulness. | Dec 01 11:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Leak Shows Utter Attack on the Web, Free Speech http://ur1.ca/gxhn http://ur1.ca/gumt | Dec 01 11:13 | |
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| oiaohm | You are aware framebuffer was pre DRI 1 Diablo-D3. I am talking old. | Dec 01 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Was the first to run into the driver wall. | Dec 01 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | fbdev/dri uses miniglx which was invented for mesa solo | Dec 01 11:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 158 Exhibits Show #Microsoft 's Crimes Against #Novell http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091124122912739 | Dec 01 11:15 | |
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| oiaohm | fbdev operated at first without opengl at all Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | fbdev doesnt use that hardware acceleration, though | Dec 01 11:15 |
| oiaohm | Latter part of fbdev did mesa turn up. | Dec 01 11:15 |
| oiaohm | By that time it was mostly dieing due to lack of support for drivers. | Dec 01 11:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont bother bringing up fbdev outside of fbdev/dri | Dec 01 11:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt use hardware acceleration that way | Dec 01 11:16 |
| oiaohm | fbdev early had 2d accepleation. | Dec 01 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it didnt have 2D acceleration that way | Dec 01 11:17 |
| oiaohm | matrox cards it did only ones to do drivers for it Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, there was the vesa driver too | Dec 01 11:17 |
| oiaohm | With 2d accel support I was meaning. | Dec 01 11:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | vesa was the first widely used 2D accel, dude | Dec 01 11:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Petition Seeks to Put #GIMP -- Not #Mono -- in #Ubuntu http://www.petitiononline.com/botgimp/petition.html | Dec 01 11:18 | |
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| oiaohm | Yet the vesa drivers for fb were doing a lot in software that vesa could do. | Dec 01 11:18 |
| oiaohm | fb did not stand a chance due to driver issues so it never grew. | Dec 01 11:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | but it doesnt matter | Dec 01 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats like comparing d3d to dos games | Dec 01 11:20 |
| oiaohm | dri overlap was desporation to get opengl working. | Dec 01 11:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Trolling Rises in Appeal Among Lawyers http://techdirt.com/articles/20091123/0159047049.shtml #usptosucks | Dec 01 11:20 | |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no comparison, and they serve entirely different tasks | Dec 01 11:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Other Legal Work Slow? Start A Practice To Help Patent Trolling | Techdirt .::. Size~: 36.77 KB | Dec 01 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Really not Diablo-D3. Lot of waylands ideas today are the same ideas fb developers hoped to offer Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kallas Keeps Trashing #FreeSoftware Using Misunderstanding of Technology http://ur1.ca/gxi2 | Dec 01 11:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Estonia's Open Source Shame - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 82.57 KB | Dec 01 11:21 |
| oiaohm | Remember y windows and other failures to replace X11 also happened Diablo-D3. | Dec 01 11:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Bullies the #Hardware Industry http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1563829/apple-chip-bully | Dec 01 11:22 | |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: are you on drugs? | Dec 01 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Dec 01 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Basically been impossable to nuke X11 by being completely indenpendant. | Dec 01 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like you've somehow skipped out on the whole argument | Dec 01 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Not really Diablo-D3. | Dec 01 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | wayland is being developed by freedesktop and redhat developers | Dec 01 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Same ideals were at the start of FB that grew into the directfb project Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and directfb was a mistake | Dec 01 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Never stood a chance Diablo-D3. So we don't know Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | directfb was also not supported by anyone | Dec 01 11:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | wayland is | Dec 01 11:25 |
| oiaohm | Really wayland avoids the support issue by using the same frameworks as X11 | Dec 01 11:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | there you go again | Dec 01 11:26 |
| oiaohm | It does Diablo-D3. | Dec 01 11:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, the "frameworks" that X11 "uses" exist _to_ get rid of X | Dec 01 11:27 |
| oiaohm | The developers of wayland has even stated that on video. | Dec 01 11:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone wants X dead | Dec 01 11:27 |
| oiaohm | DRI2 KMS.... Ie frameworks X11 is using. | Dec 01 11:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | X is using them because its the only way to do it now | Dec 01 11:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | X is purposely moving to a model that has no drivers in the display server | Dec 01 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Alterations for DRI2 and KMS was done in X11 before wayland existed. | Dec 01 11:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, because its the only way to do it riht | Dec 01 11:29 |
| oiaohm | It took X11 moving in that direct to give another interface a chance Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, it took the Xorg Foundation and fd.o to state X sucks to make it happen | Dec 01 11:30 |
| oiaohm | The ideals of wayland are not new. The chance to do it and make it work. | Dec 01 11:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | wayland is supported by rh and fd.o | Dec 01 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Only happened recently. | Dec 01 11:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | except I've known about this for years | Dec 01 11:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | your concept of recently is flawed | Dec 01 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Recently compared to unix history. | Dec 01 11:31 |
| oiaohm | X11 history. | Dec 01 11:31 |
| oiaohm | The common theme of what wayland developers are doing now has poped up over and over again. It will be great to see it at long last get there. | Dec 01 11:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | except you're somehow ignoring the fact wayland is part of a larger goal that has been in motion for awhile | Dec 01 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Not really Diablo-D3. | Dec 01 11:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, really | Dec 01 11:34 |
| oiaohm | At long last the attempt has gone from the edge of the posix world into main X11 server to clean up the driver core and interface design. | Dec 01 11:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: because it hasnt "gone" anywhere | Dec 01 11:34 |
| oiaohm | The motion to the design like wayland has been there for over 20 years. | Dec 01 11:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | the "attempt" originated inside X! | Dec 01 11:34 |
| oiaohm | It orginated outside X11 manytimes. Until something inside X11 did it we were stuck. | Dec 01 11:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | it didnt even "originate" | Dec 01 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Dec 01 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | it didnt even "originate" outside X at any point | Dec 01 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | none of the projects that didnt get anywhere count because they never got anywhere | Dec 01 11:36 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: like, do you realize how long keithp has been around? | Dec 01 11:37 |
| oiaohm | I know exactly how long he has been around. Until 2004 he stayed mostly away from the X11 server core and worked on the intel driver. | Dec 01 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Dec 01 11:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Dec 01 11:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | in the 80s he worked at a company who made, among other things, X terminals | Dec 01 11:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then after that in the early 90s he worked for the MIT X Consortium | Dec 01 11:39 |
| oiaohm | On what sections Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then another company who made X stuff, and then suse to maintain their xfree86 distro | Dec 01 11:40 |
| oiaohm | No one really touched the core in the 1990's at all. | Dec 01 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then he forked xfree86 to make xorg and now is the project lead for xorg | Dec 01 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: lolfail | Dec 01 11:40 |
| oiaohm | X11 was nicly bit rotting at the core Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | we wrote kdrive in the early 00s | Dec 01 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, in the 90s | Dec 01 11:41 |
| oiaohm | No proper multi thread support. | Dec 01 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | but it wanst public yet | Dec 01 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: and xfree86 was rotting because an idiot was at the lead | Dec 01 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is why keithp forked it | Dec 01 11:41 |
| oiaohm | And keithp only got into the core bits in 2004. And found that it was mostly shot. | Dec 01 11:42 |
| oiaohm | if it could be done wrong it was. | Dec 01 11:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and xfree86 was only _one_ xserver | Dec 01 11:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | there were many others | Dec 01 11:42 |
| oiaohm | And why did the others die Diablo-D3 even that lot of them had techincally better cores. | Dec 01 11:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they were all for special use | Dec 01 11:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Xorg was ported everywhere | Dec 01 11:43 |
| oiaohm | And lots of theme were closed source as well and wantted money Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | so? | Dec 01 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | less people are buying real trees | Dec 01 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | who cares? | Dec 01 11:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | like I said, keithp worked for two different companies that made X terminals | Dec 01 11:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what those are? | Dec 01 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | buying real trees encourages irresponsible land use and promotes global warming | Dec 01 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're like normal dumb terminals, but can display X clients too | Dec 01 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I did manage to watch a few things in HD yesterday | Dec 01 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | not much, cause Comcast has no HD channels here | Dec 01 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | what I did see was kind of pretty to look at | Dec 01 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Does it change the fact that while he was working on them that no one was working on the core of X11. | Dec 01 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | computer operating systems anymore are just a shambles | Dec 01 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | a total mess | Dec 01 11:47 |
| oiaohm | It was a drift for years Diablo-D3 | Dec 01 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Some groups would do better in conner locations and it would never be picked up by the core. Diablo-D3 its sad to thing how more advance the interface could be if all that development time in independant X11 servers was not lost to the sands of time. | Dec 01 11:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Dec 01 11:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | stop saying the "core of X11" | Dec 01 11:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | X11 is a protocol | Dec 01 11:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfree86 is an implementation | Dec 01 11:48 |
| oiaohm | The protocals were also broken Diablo-D3. | Dec 01 11:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | the protocols were "broken" because X isnt for desktops | Dec 01 11:50 |
| oiaohm | LOL Diablo-D3. Some of them simply cannot work local or remote. They have been sent to the should never been accepted phile since 2004. | Dec 01 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically I admire keith for taking on this disaster zone and working on cleaning it up. | Dec 01 11:54 |
| MinceR | re | Dec 01 12:03 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #ErikEstavillo subpoenas #BillGates in #RROD suit http://ur1.ca/gxk3 #microsoft #giantballs | Dec 01 12:21 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft doesn't pay #Washington #taxes http://ur1.ca/gxkc #douchebag | Dec 01 12:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Should Avoid Novell’s Mistakes and Not Hire from Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/01/staffing-factor-google-novell/ | Dec 01 12:43 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Should Avoid Novells Mistakes and Not Hire from Microsoft | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.92 KB | Dec 01 12:43 |
| trmanco | http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3.4.php | Dec 01 12:46 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfy3jXgOH0g | Dec 01 12:46 |
| trmanco | it's called KDE SC | Dec 01 12:47 |
| trmanco | now | Dec 01 12:47 |
| trmanco | LOL | Dec 01 12:47 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Gundam vs Gundam robot fight http://ur1.ca/gxlm !miotd | Dec 01 13:06 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft releases #patch that prevents #Windows from working, best fix ever http://ur1.ca/gxlp | Dec 01 13:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does “Tivoization” Also Mean Massively Suing All Competitors Using Software Patents? http://ur1.ca/gxlv | Dec 01 13:12 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Does “Tivoization” Also Mean Massively Suing All Competitors Using Software Patents? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.32 KB | Dec 01 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not need to pay Washington tax | Dec 01 13:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Make IT Better http://tinyurl.com/yko6sdx | Dec 01 13:21 | |
| schestowitz | it is "doing God's work" | Dec 01 13:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Make IT Better .::. Size~: 11.25 KB | Dec 01 13:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "wwwwwwhat am I doing?" | Dec 01 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | eating an orange | Dec 01 13:24 |
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| satipera | Hello all I have just been reading the gimp article. I am not so sure it is a good idea calling for people to rally around the gimp in this instance. | Dec 01 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Good comments here: http://www.fsdaily.com/Philosophy/Does_Linus_Torvalds_Hate_Freedom#comment-5449 | Dec 01 13:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Does Linus Torvalds Hate Freedom? | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 40.87 KB | Dec 01 13:32 |
| schestowitz | satipera: satipera it was not my petition | Dec 01 13:32 |
| satipera | I see. | Dec 01 13:33 |
| schestowitz | I was asked to link to it | Dec 01 13:33 |
| schestowitz | I agreed | Dec 01 13:33 |
| schestowitz | I declined others | Dec 01 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Like KDE over GNOME ones | Dec 01 13:33 |
| schestowitz | WHen people wanted to make ultimatum against GNOME... over Mono | Dec 01 13:33 |
| schestowitz | That would be tasteless | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | And last month about Ubuntu removing Mono | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | I declined that too | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Cause it looks bad | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Supporting the GIMP seems OK | Dec 01 13:34 |
| satipera | The emphasis should be on replacing the mono programmes with gthumb and gnote. To a certain extent the gimp is a red herring | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | I just got this by mail: | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | > Not a good image .. you should remove it ... | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | > How about a petition to change the name ??? | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | I didn't choose the image | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | It's part of that video from the film | Dec 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | satipera: yes, that's why I put those 3 links below | Dec 01 13:35 |
| satipera | the name is not a problem, using images from the film is not helpful | Dec 01 13:35 |
| schestowitz | It's about how to clean Ubuntu from Novell customers-only stuff | Dec 01 13:35 |
| schestowitz | satipera: "bring out the gimp" is famous | Dec 01 13:35 |
| schestowitz | It's why many people think negatively of the name | Dec 01 13:36 |
| satipera | I can't see why people have a problem with the name, but labouring the joke is counter productive | Dec 01 13:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you use your blog as a support ticket for Comcast now, I see..... | Dec 01 13:37 |
| satipera | Roy can you email me a new password so i can comment on the site if the mood takes me? | Dec 01 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 01 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I PMed it to you | Dec 01 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Twice | Dec 01 13:38 |
| satipera | Sorry for being a div but what system did you pm it to me? | Dec 01 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 01 13:39 |
| satipera | Which pm method? | Dec 01 13:40 |
| schestowitz | IRC | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll give it to you now | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | It's reset | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | [13:39] <schestowitz> dg5gdg2AA | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | [13:40] <schestowitz> oops | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | [13:40] <schestowitz> wp_http | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | [13:40] <schestowitz> that's the password | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | [13:40] <schestowitz> wp_http | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Just change it | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | It's not a crucial password, so I can paste it here | Dec 01 13:41 |
| satipera | ok ty, I have no idea how to access pm's in irc | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Just login for wordpress identity | Dec 01 13:41 |
| schestowitz | satipera: I reset it twice before | Dec 01 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Thought you got the PMs | Dec 01 13:42 |
| satipera | no i did not, i will try it now | Dec 01 13:42 |
| satipera | ok, cheers , bfn | Dec 01 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | WTF? "Roy Schestowitz rapes little boys. Burn in hell, Linux Zealots." http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?botgimp&1 | Dec 01 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They're making me angry | Dec 01 13:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, if a petition says it, it must be true | Dec 01 13:47 |
| satipera | Roy, I do not know what is happening but that pw will not work for my account | Dec 01 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I called Verizon to see if FIOS will ever be here, and they say no | Dec 01 13:48 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: wrong link? | Dec 01 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | because only AT&T is allowed to operate here, by law | Dec 01 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | so much for competition | Dec 01 13:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: make you angry? | Dec 01 13:49 |
| schestowitz | satipera: wp_http | Dec 01 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | So I can put up with the limitations of Comcast or enter into a two year contract to get satellite and go through AT&T to get DSL | Dec 01 13:50 |
| schestowitz | I can rest again | Dec 01 13:50 |
| schestowitz | *reset | Dec 01 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have no idea what to do | Dec 01 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Many people say it | Dec 01 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | if I don't get Comcast TV service, then they jack up my cable internet pricing by $15 a month and then I've still got to deal with a contract for satellite | Dec 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | About their 'elected' officials | Dec 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | They are helpless | Dec 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Not happy, unable to do anything about it | Dec 01 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | they let two cable companies compete for the same customers | Dec 01 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | why not telephone companies? | Dec 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Hehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/01/snoop_tomtom/ | Dec 01 13:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Snoop Dogg pimps self out on TomTom • The Register .::. Size~: 26 KB | Dec 01 13:52 |
| satipera | Still no joy it is suggesting I have forgotten my password | Dec 01 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | Dec 01 13:55 |
| schestowitz | OK | Dec 01 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Username now the same as the password | Dec 01 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Try it.... | Dec 01 13:56 |
| satipera | ok | Dec 01 13:57 |
| schestowitz | it had the gmail account for password change/recovery | Dec 01 13:57 |
| satipera | yes I have used gmail to receive reset password in the past, which has not worked | Dec 01 13:58 |
| satipera | password=username does not work either | Dec 01 13:59 |
| satipera | I have even turned noscript off | Dec 01 13:59 |
| satipera | this is wierd | Dec 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Ah | Dec 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I think this should work | Dec 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Try "dsfvvfvfdvfdv" | Dec 01 14:00 |
| satipera | ok | Dec 01 14:00 |
| satipera | ha ha ha, no joy | Dec 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I'll try logging in from here | Dec 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. doesn't work | Dec 01 14:03 |
| satipera | told you :) | Dec 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | It works with my account on the same browser (Konq) | Dec 01 14:06 |
| satipera | I can't work it out, it just stoppede working one day | Dec 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Is it possible to create another account with another E-mail address? | Dec 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Someone else had similar issues | Dec 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Several someones | Dec 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | They got past it somehow | Dec 01 14:07 |
| satipera | I will have to choose a new id? | Dec 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | I can do it from here | Dec 01 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Let me try. | Dec 01 14:08 |
| satipera | ok | Dec 01 14:08 |
| schestowitz | satipera2; oranges30 | Dec 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Just added | Dec 01 14:12 |
| satipera | trying now | Dec 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Profiles made identical, with bios and all | Dec 01 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Google seems to be taking room for other distros http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Dell-posts-customised-Chromium-OS-for-Mini-10v-netbook-872111.html | Dec 01 14:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell posts customised Chromium OS for Mini 10v netbook - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.78 KB | Dec 01 14:13 |
| satipera | invalid username | Dec 01 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... | Dec 01 14:20 |
| schestowitz | satipera2? | Dec 01 14:21 |
| satipera | yes | Dec 01 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I think I know what might be happening | Dec 01 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Did you change the profile when it stopped working? | Dec 01 14:21 |
| satipera | which is? | Dec 01 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe having a weird URL in the homepage field.... | Dec 01 14:22 |
| satipera | It has been going on for quite a while now, all I can remember is using the forgotten password link to try to reset it | Dec 01 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | hmmm... | Dec 01 14:28 |
| schestowitz | New accounts seem to not be accessible | Dec 01 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, my family has agreed to a gift exchange this year | Dec 01 14:29 |
| satipera | strange | Dec 01 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | everyone picks out something that's about $50 and we all draw names | Dec 01 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | works for me | Dec 01 14:29 |
| satipera | but it is not a new account | Dec 01 14:29 |
| satipera | (the original) | Dec 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | There might be a bug | Dec 01 14:31 |
| satipera | Way over my head territory | Dec 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Hold on... | Dec 01 14:34 |
| schestowitz | It's an issue even recognising the new accounts I make | Dec 01 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like a bug to me | Dec 01 14:40 |
| satipera | can you raise the issue with the powers that be? | Dec 01 14:40 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what causes it | Dec 01 14:41 |
| satipera | ditto | Dec 01 14:41 |
| satipera | I will try the account again periodically and hopefully they will have realised there is a problem and have fixed it. | Dec 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | There's no "they" | Dec 01 14:44 |
| satipera | ? | Dec 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Unless there is a bugfix release | Dec 01 14:44 |
| satipera | wordpress | Dec 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | But it's hosted by us | Dec 01 14:45 |
| satipera | Okay, well thanks for looking into the loging on problem and I will try again in future. | Dec 01 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm.. http://wordpress.org/support/topic/279132 | Dec 01 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Dec 01 14:56 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if DB caching might be an issue........ | Dec 01 14:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA Internet chapter on the agenda on next Monday 7 December: http://i5.be/Wj | Dec 01 14:57 | |
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| schestowitz | Fears grow for hunger strike Nobel nominee < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/29/nobel-nominee-hunger-strike-fears > | Dec 01 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Spammers have flooded the wiki again. *sigh* | Dec 01 15:21 |
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| fewa | argg buggy memory leaking dbus | Dec 01 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0742547131.shtml | Dec 01 15:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: If You're Looking For The Open Source Business Model, You're Looking For The Wrong Thing | Techdirt .::. Size~: 46.43 KB | Dec 01 15:41 |
| fewa | lol irony: http://techdirt.com/blog/itinnovation/articles/20091130/1453567134.shtml | Dec 01 15:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Helping Everyone Become An IT Innovator | Techdirt .::. Size~: 24.5 KB | Dec 01 15:42 |
| fewa | (sponsored by Sun and Intel) | Dec 01 15:42 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, TH | Dec 01 15:43 |
| fewa | *TM | Dec 01 15:43 |
| fewa | you can see the propaganda model at work | Dec 01 15:44 |
| ThistleWeb | hey | Dec 01 15:44 |
| fewa | didn't mean to bug you | Dec 01 15:45 |
| fewa | hit tab | Dec 01 15:45 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh np | Dec 01 15:45 |
| ThistleWeb | it's easy done | Dec 01 15:45 |
| fewa | this is more interesting: http://techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316037113.shtml | Dec 01 15:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood | Techdirt .::. Size~: 35.45 KB | Dec 01 15:45 |
| fewa | NY Times has denigrated themselves to whining | Dec 01 15:46 |
| fewa | they did it about Wikipedia | Dec 01 15:46 |
| fewa | copyrights | Dec 01 15:46 |
| fewa | now "open source" | Dec 01 15:46 |
| fewa | amazing people still read it | Dec 01 15:46 |
| ThistleWeb | any secrecy helps you inflate your own value | Dec 01 15:46 |
| ThistleWeb | hide it behind a blanket statement | Dec 01 15:46 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, not if sharing is critical to creating that value | Dec 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, they did | Dec 01 15:47 |
| fewa | free software for example | Dec 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia is attacked all the time though | Dec 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | The 'media' hates Wikipedia | Dec 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Authors too | Dec 01 15:47 |
| fewa | but NY Times is suppose to have standards | Dec 01 15:47 |
| fewa | that is central to their image | Dec 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | I had so much trash shoved into the Wiki | Dec 01 15:47 |
| fewa | its all about carefully crafted spin | Dec 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Took ages to clean it up | Dec 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | And I can't check recent changes beyond a certain point | Dec 01 15:48 |
| fewa | NY Times is not WSJ or washington post | Dec 01 15:48 |
| fewa | those are the ones that are suppose to attack | Dec 01 15:48 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: that's because these people like to inflate their own skills and value, when normal peeps are seen to do just as good a job, if not better it questions those assumptions | Dec 01 15:48 |
| fewa | NY Times runs the "liberal" angle, of spin, and biased weight | Dec 01 15:48 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&days=30&hideminor=0 | Dec 01 15:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Recent changes - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.1 KB | Dec 01 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Can I look further back at changes? | Dec 01 15:48 |
| fewa | geeze | Dec 01 15:49 |
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| ThistleWeb | when the only articles you got were done by "pros" you could only compare like with like | Dec 01 15:49 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, exactly | Dec 01 15:49 |
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| fewa | the illusion of "liberal" cannot hold up when there is good access to alternatives | Dec 01 15:50 |
| ThistleWeb | hey jono | Dec 01 15:50 |
| fewa | so while WSJ and washington post might be able to milk their viewership for a while NY Times is already dead | Dec 01 15:50 |
| *ThistleWeb is liking the new podcast btw, only listened to the intro ep | Dec 01 15:50 | |
| jono | hey :) | Dec 01 15:50 |
| fewa | at least in their traditional role as paper of record | Dec 01 15:50 |
| ThistleWeb | sorted the podcast rss feed yet? | Dec 01 15:50 |
| schestowitz | fewa: it seems like "Recent Changes" in the Wiki has some limit on how much it stores??? | Dec 01 15:51 |
| fewa | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&days=30&hideminor=0 | Dec 01 15:51 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was dynamic | Dec 01 15:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Recent changes - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.1 KB | Dec 01 15:51 |
| jono | ThistleWeb, in the works | Dec 01 15:51 |
| fewa | idk | Dec 01 15:51 |
| ThistleWeb | cool | Dec 01 15:51 |
| ThistleWeb | presumably you'll have an ogg feed too right? | Dec 01 15:51 |
| fewa | seems like you got it | Dec 01 15:51 |
| ThistleWeb | :p | Dec 01 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: not all the edits are listed. See for example: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Vista_7_Reality_Log&action=history | Dec 01 15:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Revision history of "Vista 7 Reality Log" - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 56.8 KB | Dec 01 15:52 |
| fewa | hmm idk | Dec 01 15:52 |
| fewa | it would be really cool to secure this: http://git-wiki.kicks-ass.org/Home | Dec 01 15:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 01 15:58 |
| fewa | http://github.com/anjackson/git-wiki | Dec 01 15:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: anjackson's git-wiki at master - GitHub .::. Size~: 33.58 KB | Dec 01 15:58 |
| fewa | git seems like a great backend | Dec 01 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Aha!! | Dec 01 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I think I know what caused the login issues | Dec 01 16:01 |
| fewa | but currently totally insecure | Dec 01 16:01 |
| schestowitz | database query cache leads to lag, but I'm not sure yet | Dec 01 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite disable it either, as that would lead to considerable server load :-( | Dec 01 16:01 |
| schestowitz | It's good to at least know it's not a WordPress bug and the wordaround is flushing cache manually | Dec 01 16:02 |
| schestowitz | fewa: github grew | Dec 01 16:03 |
| schestowitz | And git is almost become de facto for many projects, svn still being a leader I think | Dec 01 16:03 |
| fewa | leader in what? | Dec 01 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Many projects I know create git centres | Dec 01 16:03 |
| fewa | cathedral development? | Dec 01 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Some abandon svn in the process | Dec 01 16:03 |
| fewa | i seriously dont even attempt to use svn | Dec 01 16:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa: adoption leader | Dec 01 16:03 |
| fewa | it just doesn't make sense | Dec 01 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Like Drupal and WordPress for sites | Dec 01 16:04 |
| schestowitz | I use svn just to checkout | Dec 01 16:04 |
| schestowitz | CVS was yucky | Dec 01 16:04 |
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| fewa | and you get all those trash files | Dec 01 16:04 |
| fewa | linus pounded svn pretty hard and critically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 | Dec 01 16:04 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe I burned 2 hours just investigating this WordPress cache issue (satipera helped us a least becoming aware of it) and then cleaning up the Wiki spaam | Dec 01 16:05 |
| fewa | its either git or hg | Dec 01 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... 530,045 views by now. And more on Google Video I reckon | Dec 01 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/features/article.php/3849556 | Dec 01 16:06 |
| fewa | which are quite similar | Dec 01 16:06 |
| fewa | i guess there is also quilt | Dec 01 16:07 |
| fewa | but anything that is not decentralized is dead | Dec 01 16:07 |
| fewa | its not worth using | Dec 01 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla's Thanksgiving present? Firefox 3.6 Beta 4 http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/11/mozillas-thanksgiving-present.html | Dec 01 16:08 |
| fewa | Do you have any number of about how many actually read internet "news"? | Dec 01 16:09 |
| fewa | I never even looked at the stuff | Dec 01 16:09 |
| fewa | it seems obvious to me that if you can you go directly to the source | Dec 01 16:10 |
| fewa | and "news" tends to get in the way of that | Dec 01 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Can you elaborate on this question? | Dec 01 16:11 |
| fewa | i'm kinda bullshitting | Dec 01 16:12 |
| schestowitz | WHat's defined as "news"? | Dec 01 16:12 |
| fewa | but there are alot of really lame sites covering computer stuff | Dec 01 16:12 |
| fewa | Zip davis and such | Dec 01 16:12 |
| fewa | idk, i never paid much attention | Dec 01 16:12 |
| fewa | as it seemed like a waste of time | Dec 01 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Is this news? http://lkml.org/ | Dec 01 16:12 |
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| fewa | but yeah i need to be specific | Dec 01 16:13 |
| schestowitz | News sites have problems | Dec 01 16:13 |
| fewa | I read lwn.net | Dec 01 16:13 |
| schestowitz | They get less attention then some of the so-called "2.0" sites like Gigaom | Dec 01 16:13 |
| fewa | and arstechnica.com is like the NY Times of tech | Dec 01 16:13 |
| schestowitz | If you see view counters, then you know it | Dec 01 16:13 |
| fewa | never even heard of gigaom | Dec 01 16:14 |
| schestowitz | What qualifies as "news" by Google's News aggregator might get just dozens of reads | Dec 01 16:14 |
| schestowitz | arstechnica.com is good | Dec 01 16:14 |
| fewa | ughh | Dec 01 16:14 |
| fewa | google news is horrible | Dec 01 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Better than nada | Dec 01 16:14 |
| schestowitz | It is good for keywords to track | Dec 01 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Like "Linux" | Dec 01 16:14 |
| fewa | Google News is founded on the belief that the sum of the propaganda is better than a little | Dec 01 16:14 |
| fewa | its all part of the myth of more noise | Dec 01 16:15 |
| schestowitz | RMS is against reading mainstream media | Dec 01 16:15 |
| schestowitz | He is right to a large degree | Dec 01 16:15 |
| fewa | exactly | Dec 01 16:15 |
| fewa | i have never gotten anything from "mainstream media" | Dec 01 16:15 |
| schestowitz | He says trustworthy blogs would give more signal | Dec 01 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I still read INQ and Reg cause they are British tech sites | Dec 01 16:15 |
| fewa | except the NY Times type of position (that NY times itsself is losing) | Dec 01 16:15 |
| schestowitz | And they are less "official" | Dec 01 16:15 |
| fewa | which can tell you alot of official positions | Dec 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how many people use RSS to subscribe to the UK "tech" sites that are tied to corporations | Dec 01 16:16 |
| fewa | and give leads on general policy | Dec 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I also read BBC->Tech | Dec 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Many people do | Dec 01 16:16 |
| fewa | lol | Dec 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | It's not very good and I dumped CNN some months back | Dec 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | CNN was FAR too dumb and corporatised | Dec 01 16:16 |
| fewa | it really has to go back to what it was in the 19th century | Dec 01 16:16 |
| schestowitz | And Slashdot I dumped also | Dec 01 16:17 |
| fewa | based on people, not vacuous trademarks and names | Dec 01 16:17 |
| schestowitz | They are losing their integrity IMHO. | Dec 01 16:17 |
| schestowitz | wallc doesn't even like SJVN | Dec 01 16:17 |
| fewa | Leaders that can focus attentions of a movement | Dec 01 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Cause he turns against the same thing he defends to rpvoke | Dec 01 16:17 |
| fewa | slashdot i dumped too | Dec 01 16:17 |
| fewa | its just more noise | Dec 01 16:17 |
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| fewa | and occupied by lots of propagandists | Dec 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | /. was just a list of links anyway | Dec 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | The comments in /. were welcoming to PR agents and firehose too | Dec 01 16:18 |
| fewa | its about real information | Dec 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Dec 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Do you watch Real News Network? | Dec 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Are they still running? | Dec 01 16:18 |
| fewa | meh | Dec 01 16:18 |
| fewa | yeah | Dec 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | They appealed for donations the last time I checked | Dec 01 16:18 |
| fewa | they cover really big stuff | Dec 01 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Gore Vidal supports them | Dec 01 16:19 |
| fewa | thats their business model | Dec 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Nader also | Dec 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Domocracy Now got a new studio | Dec 01 16:19 |
| fewa | I really like Democracy Now | Dec 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | *demo | Dec 01 16:19 |
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| fewa | Real News is awesome | Dec 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I started watching it more cause you link to it | Dec 01 16:19 |
| fewa | but it can only work on philantropy if it works at all | Dec 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | i watched 3 parts yesterday | Dec 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Turns out that Amy *Did* talk about the olympics | Dec 01 16:19 |
| fewa | as it really is the old model | Dec 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | So they had grounds for suspicion | Dec 01 16:19 |
| fewa | just done right | Dec 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | But... but.. Amy is now HOT like the ones in the Big Media /sarcasm | Dec 01 16:20 |
| fewa | schestowitz, no | Dec 01 16:20 |
| fewa | she didn't | Dec 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Y'know.. | Dec 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Those who read from the screen... | Dec 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Like Obama | Dec 01 16:20 |
| fewa | she only talked about it because of the events | Dec 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Obama.. good reader | Dec 01 16:20 |
| fewa | after in the US | Dec 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | As long as it scrolls at the right speed | Dec 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | otherwise he pauses and complains | Dec 01 16:20 |
| fewa | schestowitz, don't repeat the right-wing noise | Dec 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I bet he doesn't write his speeches | Dec 01 16:21 |
| fewa | all the presidents use teleprompters | Dec 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | the PR people know which words to use | Dec 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Linguistics | Dec 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | "The American people" | Dec 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | "Integrity" | Dec 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | "Security" | Dec 01 16:21 |
| fewa | they havn't written their own speeches since FDR | Dec 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | "troops... defend you" | Dec 01 16:21 |
| fewa | or maybe Truman | Dec 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | OK | Dec 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | But still... | Dec 01 16:22 |
| fewa | I read the book of a Clinton speechwriter | Dec 01 16:22 |
| fewa | it was really interesting | Dec 01 16:22 |
| fewa | a smart person | Dec 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Just because the second faction of the business party says it doesn't make it taboo | Dec 01 16:22 |
| fewa | in charge of humor | Dec 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | They are just as bad | Dec 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | It must be fun for them | Dec 01 16:22 |
| fewa | no, its flac | Dec 01 16:22 |
| fewa | its the noise machine | Dec 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | To walk into a room with a prepared speech and teleprompter | Dec 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | It's like s stage act | Dec 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Like movie stars... | Dec 01 16:23 |
| fewa | its all run by psycology | Dec 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Reagan :-) | Dec 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Just comb the hair | Dec 01 16:23 |
| fewa | split the population on psycological issues | Dec 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Movie stars must not be as pleased as people think | Dec 01 16:23 |
| fewa | differn't types towards differnt factions | Dec 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | They don't express opinions | Dec 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | No self expression | Dec 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | They memorise scripts | Dec 01 16:23 |
| fewa | both sell themselves as the panacea for the crimes of the other | Dec 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they get to choose which script they like better | Dec 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | And they MUST NOT ever EVER express points of view outside film | Dec 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Like Jane Fonda | Dec 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, division too | Dec 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | But not the real one | Dec 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Not rich vs poor | Dec 01 16:24 |
| fewa | schestowitz, http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2009/11/6/philosopher_and_cultural_theorist_slavoj_iek_speaks_at_cooper_union_in_new_york_city | Dec 01 16:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: "First as Tragedy, Then As Farce": Philosopher and Cultural Theorist Slavoj Žižek Speaks at Cooper Union .::. Size~: 20.54 KB | Dec 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Not 'health'care vs the ill | Dec 01 16:24 |
| fewa | He goes into it really well | Dec 01 16:25 |
| schestowitz | I watched that already | Dec 01 16:25 |
| fewa | ahh | Dec 01 16:25 |
| schestowitz | How often does Democracy Now make a show | Dec 01 16:25 |
| schestowitz | How many minutes/day?? | Dec 01 16:25 |
| fewa | 60min 5 times a week | Dec 01 16:25 |
| fewa | this wasnt a show | Dec 01 16:25 |
| fewa | however | Dec 01 16:25 |
| schestowitz | OK | Dec 01 16:25 |
| schestowitz | So they can do 15 minutes per hour | Dec 01 16:26 |
| schestowitz | That's quite good | Dec 01 16:26 |
| fewa | yes health care is Medicare recipients vs. fiscally conservative | Dec 01 16:26 |
| fewa | *handout | Dec 01 16:26 |
| fewa | which only works if you can bury the fact that a single-payer system is half the cost and has better outcomes | Dec 01 16:26 |
| fewa | i.e. its the corporations in the middle | Dec 01 16:26 |
| fewa | corporate gaft along with any handouts -- and -- government sponsored monopoly on the other side | Dec 01 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Rogue state... | Dec 01 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Government for the company, not for the people | Dec 01 16:28 |
| fewa | things is the public does adapt | Dec 01 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Which president was it that called it fascism? | Dec 01 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Roosevelt? | Dec 01 16:28 |
| fewa | and the media is at an all time low in legitimacy | Dec 01 16:29 |
| fewa | something like 20% | Dec 01 16:29 |
| fewa | down from 50% in 1970 | Dec 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316037113.shtml | Dec 01 16:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood | Techdirt .::. Size~: 39.55 KB | Dec 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | ACTA | Dec 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Three-strike provisions | Dec 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Spying | Dec 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Patents too | Dec 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Border search of storage devices... | Dec 01 16:29 |
| fewa | if you look at public opinion the government is basically illegitimate | Dec 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | 9% | Dec 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/netroots_nation_keynote.html | Dec 01 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, Lessig quit blogging | Dec 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Shame really | Dec 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/mpaa-to-fcc-critics-of-video-blocking-proposals-are-lying.ars | Dec 01 16:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: MPAA to FCC: critics of video blocking proposals are lying .::. Size~: 39.55 KB | Dec 01 16:34 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10405824-83.html | Dec 01 16:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pub fined $13k for Wi-Fi copyright infringement | Security - CNET News .::. Size~: 138.28 KB | Dec 01 16:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/11/hemi-jet/ | Dec 01 16:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Jet-Powered Ford Guns for 300 MPH | Autopia | Wired.com .::. Size~: 75.8 KB | Dec 01 16:36 |
| fewa | What puts me off in arstechnica is how they condone ignorance | Dec 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/lhc-sets-new-world-record/ | Dec 01 16:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Large Hadron Collider Sets World Record | Wired Science | Wired.com .::. Size~: 85.64 KB | Dec 01 16:37 |
| fewa | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/san-francisco-new-york-city-considering-net-neutrality-resolutions.ars | Dec 01 16:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: East, west coast cities mull pro-net neutrality resolutions .::. Size~: 35.1 KB | Dec 01 16:37 |
| fewa | meh, i take that | Dec 01 16:37 |
| fewa | back | Dec 01 16:37 |
| fewa | its just young writers | Dec 01 16:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Internet Archive: Free Download: Don't Listen Alone: A documentary about LugRadio http://tinyurl.com/ye9wcxo | Dec 01 16:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Horizontal space travel near? http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_whiteknight/ | Dec 01 16:41 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Virgin Galactics Space-Grazing Aircraft Is Ready for Liftoff | Magazine .::. Size~: 78.62 KB | Dec 01 16:41 |
| schestowitz | "In a year, maybe two — barring any test-flight glitches — people who have the right financial stuff will be rocketing daily into space for a few minutes of sensory overload and ego gratification." | Dec 01 16:42 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: "Contains occasional swearing." | Dec 01 16:42 |
| schestowitz | I'll watch it later | Dec 01 16:42 |
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| zoobab | mms://livewms.europarl.europa.eu/reflector:46255 | Dec 01 16:47 |
| zoobab | Tim Berners Lee in the European Parl | Dec 01 16:47 |
| zoobab | for RF standards, patent free | Dec 01 16:47 |
| fewa | "We're the misbegotten children of a past political ideology." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXKeR8amk2c | Dec 01 16:47 |
| fewa | but is the US not still in Iraq? | Dec 01 16:48 |
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| zoobab | Nobel prize is sending more troops to Afghanistan | Dec 01 16:50 |
| schestowitz | eBay sued for users' actions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8386390.stm | Dec 01 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.itvt.com/story/6149/rovi-appeal-english-high-court-ruling-epg-patent-litigation-against-virgin-media | Dec 01 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: yes, seen it about Obama | Dec 01 16:50 |
| zoobab | I have printed it out | Dec 01 16:50 |
| schestowitz | He spreads even MORE democracy | Dec 01 16:50 |
| zoobab | the judge still believes in the "technical effect" which makes MP3 software implementations patentable | Dec 01 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Spread the democracy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYRx-GlEyis#t=60 | Dec 01 16:52 |
| schestowitz | fewa: you wanna see this | Dec 01 16:52 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: yeah, forgot to mention the swaerig bit | Dec 01 16:53 |
| ThistleWeb | swearing* | Dec 01 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Just in: King to probe release of 9/11 pager messages < http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/king-to-probe-release-of-9-11-pager-messages-1.1625381 > | Dec 01 16:54 |
| schestowitz | "The messages were compiled by the Web site WikiLeaks.org, a worldwide group that acquires information and releases it to the public. The Web site said the archives of pager messages were released to help "lead to a nuanced understanding of how this event led to death, opportunism and war."" | Dec 01 16:54 |
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| fewa | This is really good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH1OT6P4v80 | Dec 01 16:55 |
| fewa | they sure love yelling! | Dec 01 16:55 |
| schestowitz | fewa: healthcare in the US is less of an intl' issue | Dec 01 16:55 |
| fewa | true... | Dec 01 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Foreign relationships do | Dec 01 16:55 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> Foreign relationships do? | Dec 01 16:56 |
| fewa | you mean wars? | Dec 01 16:56 |
| fewa | economic agression? | Dec 01 16:56 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I hate hosts that yell or raise voice | Dec 01 16:56 |
| schestowitz | It's animal-like | Dec 01 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Like O'Reilly | Dec 01 16:56 |
| fewa | yes | Dec 01 16:56 |
| schestowitz | They roar as debate | Dec 01 16:57 |
| fewa | thats the point | Dec 01 16:57 |
| schestowitz | And they you need to be like them | Dec 01 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Which makes both look like pigs in a puddle of mud | Dec 01 16:57 |
| fewa | the arrogence of the media | Dec 01 16:57 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I'm trying to say that, apart from part of my family in the US, bad US heathcare has little impact on me | Dec 01 16:57 |
| fewa | and then you see how the courts create this sort of situation | Dec 01 16:58 |
| fewa | schestowitz, yes | Dec 01 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Not the same with wars overseas and the resentment it leads to | Dec 01 16:58 |
| fewa | However, i do have something to say to that | Dec 01 16:58 |
| fewa | meh | Dec 01 16:58 |
| fewa | it wont happen | Dec 01 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of courts, you can't raise voice there | Dec 01 16:58 |
| schestowitz | They should have moderators for media too | Dec 01 16:58 |
| fewa | well anyways: hypothetically speaking, if the US got a real healthcare system that would empower the large progressive base | Dec 01 16:59 |
| fewa | and the corporations could may be further tamed | Dec 01 16:59 |
| schestowitz | He casts him as "socialst" | Dec 01 16:59 |
| schestowitz | One step away from calling Weiner a "red commie" | Dec 01 16:59 |
| fewa | schestowitz, and he very logically points out the hypocracy | Dec 01 16:59 |
| fewa | otherwise you better have grat shadenfraude | Dec 01 16:59 |
| schestowitz | If socialism is the opposite of feudalism, then fine | Dec 01 17:00 |
| schestowitz | It's another issue that socialism became a bad word | Dec 01 17:00 |
| fewa | no | Dec 01 17:00 |
| fewa | its not | Dec 01 17:00 |
| fewa | only the sheep | Dec 01 17:00 |
| fewa | the name calling shows that there is nothing left | Dec 01 17:01 |
| fewa | except having public airwave to fill 24/7 | Dec 01 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Capita before society | Dec 01 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Like the daemonisation of the notion of sharing | Dec 01 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Mother: sharing with your neighbour is good | Dec 01 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Business: sharing is theft | Dec 01 17:02 |
| fewa | no, beyond that | Dec 01 17:02 |
| fewa | that is a idea only accepted by those being paid by the system | Dec 01 17:02 |
| fewa | you see: the media's job is to sustain a myth | Dec 01 17:03 |
| fewa | **the politik's job is to sustain the nationalist myth | Dec 01 17:03 |
| fewa | its clearly dead | Dec 01 17:03 |
| fewa | that is why they are yelling | Dec 01 17:03 |
| fewa | that host is a UK export | Dec 01 17:04 |
| fewa | of anglo-saxon propaganda | Dec 01 17:04 |
| fewa | "when are we having the stewart-anthony show again? A: never" | Dec 01 17:05 |
| fewa | he's butthurt that he couldn't bully him into it | Dec 01 17:05 |
| fewa | anyways, healthcare is the US publics #1 issue, as they have been shortchanged for years | Dec 01 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh no...... http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/2009/11/now-its-time-to-say-goodbye-to-all-our.html | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Bear! Come back... | Dec 01 17:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Slashdot discussing the article written by the first US software patent troll: http://i5.be/Wn | Dec 01 17:12 | |
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| schestowitz | fewa: yes, it's a major issue | Dec 01 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Especially for those who are ill (duh!) | Dec 01 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Those who are healthy cannot quite relate | Dec 01 17:13 |
| fewa | or those that may become ill | Dec 01 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Or those news anchor who are insured (premium) | Dec 01 17:13 |
| schestowitz | They can eat their bacon and omelette and be served when there's a heart attack | Dec 01 17:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I rated a YouTube video (5 out of 5 stars) -- 'Moosh Mooshkila" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmQ_4k4YQ_I&feature=autoshare_twitter | Dec 01 17:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I favorited a YouTube video -- Russell Peters - You kill me? I kill me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZRyry_B7TY&feature=autoshare_twitter | Dec 01 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: did they also FP the essay from Ciaran O’Riordan? | Dec 01 17:15 |
| schestowitz | That's why I don't read /. anyway. | Dec 01 17:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Georg Jacob on the "Another (weak) Defense of Software Patents (and its rebuttal)": http://i5.be/Wo | Dec 01 17:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm..... http://luke.faraone.cc/blog/2009/11/fix-bricked-xos-automatically/ | Dec 01 17:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Tim Bernes Lee arguing for Net Neutrality, sitting next to Malcom Harbour, the author of the Anti Net Neutrality compromise... | Dec 01 17:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I rated a YouTube video (5 out of 5 stars) -- Muse: I belong to you (lyrics in sidebar) http://bit.ly/4lIiIi | Dec 01 17:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] God DAMMIT!! Such a lovely song!!! XD (YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFAIBz-5tC0&feature=autoshare_twitter) | Dec 01 18:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I favorited a YouTube video -- Muse: I belong to you (lyrics in sidebar) http://bit.ly/4lIiIi | Dec 01 18:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I rated a YouTube video (5 out of 5 stars) -- I belong to you lyrics by Muse http://bit.ly/79sBAb | Dec 01 18:02 | |
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| fewa | schestowitz, Gorden Brown announced 500 more brits in Afghanistan | Dec 01 18:08 |
| fewa | wasn't the UK already driven out of there once before? | Dec 01 18:09 |
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| jack_ | just so you guys know there are typos I believe here stating vista 7 when windows 7 is what is referred to: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/30/no-real-effect-vista-7/ | Dec 01 18:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Confirmed: Vista 7 Just Like Vista Has No Substantial Impact on Sales | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 122.28 KB | Dec 01 18:11 |
| jack_ | or maybe this intentional to show the similarities between the two? I dont know | Dec 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Hey, jack_ | Dec 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it is deliberate | Dec 01 18:12 |
| jack_ | ah, ok, my mistake | Dec 01 18:12 |
| jack_ | apologies | Dec 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tries to escape the Vista identity, but Vista 7 is just like Mojave with new deskbar | Dec 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | jack_: thanks for letting know... I was wondering how people respond when seeing it | Dec 01 18:13 |
| fewa | just like XP was just 2000 with a few tweaks | Dec 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Theme | Dec 01 18:13 |
| jack_ | Thankfully I wouldn't know about the similarities as I've never used it :) | Dec 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | NT4 | Dec 01 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | Mojave did prove a couple of things, first that Vista was themable, and second that the public can be fooled into thinking it was something new | Dec 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Windows 7 is "Windows 6.1" | Dec 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Technically | Dec 01 18:13 |
| fewa | Windows is slowwwwwwwwww | Dec 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | VIsta is "Windows 6" | Dec 01 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | the result hit the shelves as Windows 7 | Dec 01 18:14 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft too knows what it's up to | Dec 01 18:14 |
| fewa | 2000 W 5 | Dec 01 18:14 |
| fewa | XP W 5.1 | Dec 01 18:14 |
| jack_ | well the public don't seem to have been fooled that much as the article on how sales are poor shows | Dec 01 18:14 |
| schestowitz | It's not "poor" | Dec 01 18:14 |
| schestowitz | But it's just normal | Dec 01 18:14 |
| jack_ | which I'm glad to see. but if they throw enough money at the public then they'll believe anything they want frankly IMO | Dec 01 18:15 |
| fewa | arstechnica.com gave the traditional "liberal" spin | Dec 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | jack_: not just Microsoft | Dec 01 18:15 |
| fewa | admitting the obvious, but then spinning it | Dec 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Gordon Brown too :-) | Dec 01 18:15 |
| jack_ | gordon brown? | Dec 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | fewa mentioned it | Dec 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Just two minutes before you came | Dec 01 18:15 |
| fewa | +500 in Afghanistan | Dec 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <fewa> schestowitz, Gorden Brown announced 500 more brits in Afghanistan | Dec 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | [18:09] <fewa> wasn't the UK already driven out of there once before? | Dec 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | [18:11] --> jack_ has joined this channel (i=4e21d9a1@gateway/web/freenode/x-gxfbfjqkvrmjsptf). | Dec 01 18:15 |
| schestowitz | fewa: new motto | Dec 01 18:16 |
| jack_ | lol, yes I saw that earlier, but whats it to do with MS etc | Dec 01 18:16 |
| schestowitz | "More soldier = less security" | Dec 01 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Based on the notion of "blowback" | Dec 01 18:16 |
| fewa | yep | Dec 01 18:16 |
| fewa | its all about pork now | Dec 01 18:16 |
| jack_ | what? | Dec 01 18:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Second-Consequences-American-Project/dp/0805075593 | Dec 01 18:16 |
| fewa | or pakistan | Dec 01 18:16 |
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| fewa | US is in Pakistan through Blackwater | Dec 01 18:17 |
| schestowitz | They were in Greeze touring the olympics | Dec 01 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know this | Dec 01 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Greece games | Dec 01 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Seen it yesterday | Dec 01 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Contractors paid by whose taxpayers? | Dec 01 18:17 |
| fewa | ahh yes the one I pasted | Dec 01 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 01 18:18 |
| jack_ | one battle at a time chaps - winning the software war is quite enough to keep me occupied for the time being. I'll leave afganistan to the stop the war coalition | Dec 01 18:18 |
| fewa | jack_, you don't exactly have to fight it | Dec 01 18:18 |
| fewa | its already failing from its own weiht | Dec 01 18:18 |
| jack_ | the war? | Dec 01 18:19 |
| fewa | yes | Dec 01 18:19 |
| fewa | all it has done is increase the taliban | Dec 01 18:19 |
| fewa | and encourage blowback | Dec 01 18:19 |
| fewa | *the war in Afghanistan | Dec 01 18:19 |
| fewa | Iraq is differn | Dec 01 18:19 |
| schestowitz | jack_: true. | Dec 01 18:19 |
| jack_ | well, that was inevitable, its served its purpose for UK/US I think. | Dec 01 18:19 |
| jack_ | what is blowback (in one sentence)? | Dec 01 18:19 |
| fewa | threaten Iran? | Dec 01 18:20 |
| schestowitz | We sometimes go off topic :-) | Dec 01 18:20 |
| jack_ | retaliatory hate/fear of nations to US? | Dec 01 18:20 |
| schestowitz | It's IRC. The site is otherwise purely about the issues that are well understood | Dec 01 18:20 |
| fewa | bloSoftware is more important | Dec 01 18:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I favorited a YouTube video -- I belong to you lyrics by Muse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMQuOkQyezU&feature=autoshare_twitter | Dec 01 18:20 | |
| fewa | IMHO | Dec 01 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | jack_: blowback is CIA speak | Dec 01 18:20 |
| schestowitz | It's what they call retaliation | Dec 01 18:20 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence) | Dec 01 18:20 |
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| fewa | Blowback is the espionage term for the violent, unintended consequences of a covert operation that are suffered by the civil population of the aggressor government. | Dec 01 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | When they overthrow a government, for example, they realise it would lead to things like 9/11 | Dec 01 18:21 |
| schestowitz | That's what the agencies called "blowback" | Dec 01 18:21 |
| fewa | "a government" | Dec 01 18:21 |
| fewa | you mean dozens of governments | Dec 01 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 01 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Dec 01 18:21 |
| fewa | Nicaragua, Argentina, Bolivia, Veneswela, Chile, Greece, Iran, Iraq | Dec 01 18:21 |
| schestowitz | They make it sounds unique to one country | Dec 01 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Well, I guess the term was used in one set of unsealed documents anyway | Dec 01 18:22 |
| jack_ | so the USA wants more blowback to justify more invasions?? | Dec 01 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Chalmers Johnson has good talks about it | Dec 01 18:22 |
| fewa | Saudi Arabia, Mexico (through NAFTA) | Dec 01 18:22 |
| schestowitz | jack_: I think it's oppsite | Dec 01 18:22 |
| schestowitz | More invasions lead to a cycle of violence | Dec 01 18:22 |
| jack_ | which is what US wants | Dec 01 18:22 |
| jack_ | surely | Dec 01 18:22 |
| fewa | Vietnam, Cambodia, Russia (during WW1), Cuba (beginning 20th century) | Dec 01 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Like the use of the Moujahadin [spelling] versus the Soviets | Dec 01 18:23 |
| fewa | banana republic | Dec 01 18:23 |
| schestowitz | That's from 1903 | Dec 01 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I looked it up | Dec 01 18:23 |
| schestowitz | It's actually well before all that... I thought it was United Fruit COmpany | Dec 01 18:23 |
| jack_ | Ah well obama will be assinated soon no doubt and there will be a civil war to keep them all occupied. Toodleoo | Dec 01 18:24 |
| fewa | Monroe doctrine, Teddy's big stick, Woodrow Wilson's "War against imaginary Huns" (in Venezuela?), Henry Truman's war in Korea | Dec 01 18:24 |
| fewa | and the Truman doctrine | Dec 01 18:24 |
| fewa | which expanded Monroe to the entire world | Dec 01 18:25 |
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| fewa | imperial agression and hegemony abroad use to be tied to social progress domestically | Dec 01 18:26 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I guess so. | Dec 01 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Well, the British used to do it too | Dec 01 18:26 |
| fewa | see: Teddy Roosevelt, Henry Truman, Andrew Jackson | Dec 01 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Certain things that is | Dec 01 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Not all... | Dec 01 18:26 |
| fewa | Jackson brought the first universal White man sufferage | Dec 01 18:26 |
| fewa | which brought the US far ahead of Europe | Dec 01 18:27 |
| fewa | but also instigated the trail of tear against the indians | Dec 01 18:27 |
| fewa | Truman continued FDR's new deal, but embedded state militarism, cold war, and big gaft | Dec 01 18:27 |
| fewa | Roosevelt broke up trusts and perhaps broke up the telegraph monopoly | Dec 01 18:28 |
| fewa | *teddy | Dec 01 18:29 |
| fewa | schestowitz, manufactured goods | Dec 01 18:29 |
| fewa | for UK | Dec 01 18:29 |
| fewa | but not jobs | Dec 01 18:29 |
| fewa | or egalitarianism | Dec 01 18:30 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> That's from 1903 | Dec 01 18:31 |
| fewa | which one? | Dec 01 18:31 |
| fewa | ahh Cuba | Dec 01 18:32 |
| *schestowitz back | Dec 01 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | 1903... banana republic | Dec 01 18:37 |
| schestowitz | 04 | Dec 01 18:38 |
| schestowitz | "The first known use of the term banana republic was by American author O. Henry in his 1904 book of linked short stories, Cabbages and Kings." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic | Dec 01 18:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Ya think Tarzan ever won the "best loincloth" competition? Or ya think he was ever pissied off at not winning? | Dec 01 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | OK, gotta go | Dec 01 18:44 |
| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=375 | Dec 01 18:44 |
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| ThistleWeb | lol, maybe black is the new blue | Dec 01 18:52 |
| jose_X | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Murdoch-Media-must-get-apf-1457563223.html?x=0&.v=11 | Dec 01 18:52 |
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| ThistleWeb | yes I know it's different errors | Dec 01 18:52 |
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| amd-linux | Some good news from good old Germany: http://digg.com/linux_unix/MS_Internet_Explorer_finally_dethroned_in_Germany | Dec 01 19:09 |
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| amd-linux | First we take Berlin, and then Manhattan :-) | Dec 01 19:09 |
| ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE | Dec 01 19:10 |
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| MinceR | nice | Dec 01 19:10 |
| amd-linux | Here ist the Heise article | Dec 01 19:10 |
| amd-linux | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Firefox-ueberholt-in-Deutschland-Microsofts-Internet-Explorer-873082.html | Dec 01 19:10 |
| amd-linux | German language | Dec 01 19:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dilemma of the day: I have neapolitan ice cream. Chocolate and Strawberry sauces are available also. Which to choose!? #fb | Dec 01 19:50 | |
| cubezzz | very successful FOSS project Firefox | Dec 01 19:53 |
| tessier | Things always look so simple in hindsight. | Dec 01 20:00 |
| cubezzz | we should have had FOSS earlier though | Dec 01 20:03 |
| cubezzz | but looking back, we didn't have affordable 32-bit machines so we had to wait for that | Dec 01 20:04 |
| cubezzz | a 16-bit FOSS unix type system would have been possible earlier | Dec 01 20:04 |
| cubezzz | maybe there was one, and it got overlooked | Dec 01 20:05 |
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| cubezzz | check this out: | Dec 01 20:11 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing) | Dec 01 20:11 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | you'll love this | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Hello Mr. Farmer, | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Dec 01 20:33 | |
| DaemonFC | I will be happy to discuss this further with you. Will you please let | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | me know the phone number linked to your account and the best number | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | where I can reach you? | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Dec 01 20:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Thanks in advance. | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Dec 01 20:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Mark Casem | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast Customer Connect | Dec 01 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | National Customer Operations | Dec 01 20:33 |
| ender2070 | i would advise you to use pastebin or something instead of spamming | Dec 01 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Dec 01 20:39 |
| cubezzz | I still recommend using one of the Freenets if possible | Dec 01 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | Freenet? | Dec 01 20:49 |
| cubezzz | yes | Dec 01 20:49 |
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| MinceR | is this information so sensitive? :) | Dec 01 20:49 |
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| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-Net | Dec 01 20:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Free-net - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 23.3 KB | Dec 01 20:50 |
| cubezzz | maybe a better example: | Dec 01 20:51 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Capital_Freenet | Dec 01 20:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: National Capital Freenet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 212.14 KB | Dec 01 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care if it's free, I'd just like to have fair and reasonable pricing | Dec 01 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | that only happens when there is competition | Dec 01 20:52 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, the DSL isn't free as in beer | Dec 01 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | the federal government makes it illegal for Verizon to come here and compete with AT&T | Dec 01 20:53 |
| cubezzz | but I'm not sure what's available in your area | Dec 01 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | there's Comcast and AT&T | Dec 01 20:53 |
| cubezzz | you still pay for high-speed, but with less restrcictions | Dec 01 20:53 |
| cubezzz | which major city are you closest to? | Dec 01 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Fort Wayne, Indiana | Dec 01 20:54 |
| cubezzz | most major metro centres have a Freenet | Dec 01 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | 25 miles | Dec 01 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | if Indiana had one, it would be in Indianapolis | Dec 01 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's at least 1.5 million people there | Dec 01 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | they keep expanding and taking over the surrounding towns | Dec 01 20:55 |
| cubezzz | the Freenets don't advertise much, you have to look for them | Dec 01 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | they got Fishers a few years back | Dec 01 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | the towns keep their name but they lose their mayors and city councils and such | Dec 01 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | I remember I got bored one time and decided to take city streets to get through the city instead of the freeway | Dec 01 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | took me like three hours at night to make it from 114th street to 1st :) | Dec 01 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'm hoping to get the hell out of this town soon.....for about 5 years now | Dec 01 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | something tells me suicide would get me out a lot faster | Dec 01 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | seriously, I think I can get out of here before 2011 | Dec 01 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | I won't make the mistake of moving to another town that's less than 30,000 people | Dec 01 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/stevenharms/statuses/6238154665 | Dec 01 21:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / stevenharms: @natfriedman My prediction ... .::. Size~: 10.19 KB | Dec 01 21:10 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <tessier> Things always look so simple in hindsight. | Dec 01 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Now they help Ogg! | Dec 01 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm hopeful that Google, not just Opera, will follow suit | Dec 01 21:12 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <DaemonFC> you'll love this | Dec 01 21:12 |
| schestowitz | They want to silence you politely | Dec 01 21:12 |
| schestowitz | They don't want to communicate publicly in the blog. | Dec 01 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Repost that comment from them and respond in another blog post :-) | Dec 01 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | So what do you think the phone conversation will be about? | Dec 01 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Don't give them your number | Dec 01 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | too late | Dec 01 21:13 |
| schestowitz | They want to mute you | Dec 01 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Like "taking you to the back" | Dec 01 21:13 |
| schestowitz | You know what I mean? | Dec 01 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "I'll call my supervisor" | Dec 01 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm | Dec 01 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Supervisor: "Let's go back to the back office and settle this." | Dec 01 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | so what do you think will be said? | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Then they'll smooch you | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Off the record | Dec 01 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | think they'll try to bribe me? | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | No. | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Just make friends with you | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some hot woman will phone you | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Sexy voice | Dec 01 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | empty promises | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | So you'll feel guilty telling them off | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Dec 01 21:14 |
| schestowitz | You're a PR problem to them | Dec 01 21:15 |
| schestowitz | They can handle it with PR | Dec 01 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Fire with fire | Dec 01 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | I figure it'll resolve nothing or it'll resolve nothing and they'll bribe me somehow so I shut up | Dec 01 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Free boradband | Dec 01 21:15 |
| schestowitz | "It's not a bribe, it's _compensation_!" | Dec 01 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | like "How does Digital Premier with all movie channels and sports package real cheap sound?" | Dec 01 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | something like that | Dec 01 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | shuts me up real cheap | Dec 01 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't cost them anything more to push a button and turn on the other 100 channels | Dec 01 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | if it placates me and I shut up, they still win | Dec 01 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: PR pain in the ass is a fun thing to be | Dec 01 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | I got another comment from Microsoft | Dec 01 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | I did not approve it | Dec 01 21:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, caught up in E-mail.. | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | But they try to suppress critics | Dec 01 21:25 |
| ender2070 | Daemon, did you blog against them or something? | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Very unethical IMHO | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It's like dispersing unions | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | They don't need to get their s* together | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Just to bribe the few who are willing to stand up | Dec 01 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: About a few things this time | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Then dry up things | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does the same thing | Dec 01 21:25 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - can I read it? | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It settles with parties and hires lawyers who know its dirty tricks | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Then it shuts them up | Dec 01 21:25 |
| schestowitz | They "go out of the gene pool" so to speak | Dec 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: stand up for your right | Dec 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Or... | Dec 01 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | practically no HD content and how when I went to get the HD DRVR for when they get a few HD channels this month (all the cheap local ones), they gave me two bad ones and I ended up driving to their office three times | Dec 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | If you don't cave, then their bribe/gagging attempts will get too considerable | Dec 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | It's like they say, don't pay random to a kinapper | Dec 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | As they would only encourage more | Dec 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also bribed bloggers | Dec 01 21:27 |
| schestowitz | ANd then they askd for more | Dec 01 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Some shilled free of charge with the expectation of future schwag | Dec 01 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Now it's against FTC rules | Dec 01 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/does-having-an-hdtv-actually-mean-anything-if-you-have-comcast/ | Dec 01 21:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Does having an HDTV actually mean anything if you have Comcast? « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 30.89 KB | Dec 01 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | then http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/my-response-to-comcastresponse-to-comcast-astroturfers-over-the-hd-rant/ | Dec 01 21:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My response to Comcast astroturfers over the HD rant. « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 30.04 KB | Dec 01 21:27 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - dont be surprised if they try suing you | Dec 01 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | "Why does Comcast have such shoddy equipment? Did you know that I had to drive you your local office three times yesterday because the DVR I got there the first time had a bad HDMI port, and the second one I got home with wouldn?t power on at all? Why can?t Comcast plug the damned things in and see if they at least power on?" | Dec 01 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 01 21:28 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: they can't | Dec 01 21:28 |
| schestowitz | They have no case | Dec 01 21:28 |
| ender2070 | i know they cant, but it doesnt prevent them from threatening to | Dec 01 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | they could sue me if anything I said was actually untrue | Dec 01 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Look at GoldmanSachs666 | Dec 01 21:28 |
| schestowitz | The Goldman Bankster only brought attention to them | Dec 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | And the lawsuit was a failure | Dec 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Gave it media publicity, had them post a disclaimer, created more resemtment from Mike Morgan and TV appearances | Dec 01 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | "The last bit of ?good news? is that Comcast is shifting the channels around so that all the channels people want are only on Digital Starter or higher. They did add one channel I want, but I?m not paying another $15 a month for the package that has it." | Dec 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: threats are cheap | Dec 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Words are cheap too | Dec 01 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | so how is that a false claim meant to slander them? | Dec 01 21:30 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Dec 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I think US has anti-SLAPP laws | Dec 01 21:30 |
| ender2070 | but sometimes they count on the other person being poor and not being able to afford a lawyer | Dec 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Not just false | Dec 01 21:30 |
| ender2070 | so they settle | Dec 01 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes, and Indiana has a law that's stronger than the federal one | Dec 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | They need to prove it's deliberately false | Dec 01 21:30 |
| ender2070 | RIAA does it all the time, you know its frivolous | Dec 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | If he makes an innocent mistake like any human being, then nope | Dec 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | And it's a blog | Dec 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | He meant what he wrote | Dec 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Expressing an opinion | Dec 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: play with them, post a followup post | Dec 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Until they decide to shut up about it | Dec 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Look at Novell | Dec 01 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | my opinion is that most of their lineup is garbage and the few good channels are spaced out to where you need to have a more expensive package to get it | Dec 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | They had their little Turfers harassing us | Dec 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I exposed them | Dec 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Then they stopped | Dec 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | SCO did the same with Groklaw | Dec 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | No more | Dec 01 21:31 |
| ender2070 | actually nvm i just finished reading the article | Dec 01 21:31 |
| ender2070 | nothing that bad | Dec 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft TEs sent to BN too | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Got exposed and reported to the FTC | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | FTC formally replied | Dec 01 21:32 |
| ender2070 | TE's? | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft withdrew | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: AstroTurfers | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | "technical evangelists" | Dec 01 21:32 |
| ender2070 | heh :) | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | "Slog lackeys" | Dec 01 21:32 |
| ender2070 | like Richard/Julian on mono-nono? | Dec 01 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's 100 channels in my lineup. 44 of them are music channels I don't use | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: no | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | WHo's Richard? | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait. | Dec 01 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | 2 are shopping networks that pay Comcast to air them | Dec 01 21:32 |
| schestowitz | _goblin also has some troll called Richard in his blog | Dec 01 21:33 |
| ender2070 | he is the guy who always criticizes every post | Dec 01 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the same troll:? | Dec 01 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | 4 are religious networks that do the same | Dec 01 21:33 |
| _goblin | lol | Dec 01 21:33 |
| ender2070 | could be | Dec 01 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know mono-non got Turfers there | Dec 01 21:33 |
| _goblin | Richard - or dick as I like to call him. | Dec 01 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I thought that only Jo was there | Dec 01 21:33 |
| tessier | Richard Cranium? I have met him many times. | Dec 01 21:33 |
| ender2070 | i've seen richard more than jo there | Dec 01 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I don't read comments | Dec 01 21:34 |
| *Declination has quit () | Dec 01 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | I mean, in other blogs/sites | Dec 01 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Esp. not in Slashdot | Dec 01 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They had a sign out front years ago that said "44 cents per channel" | Dec 01 21:34 |
| ender2070 | i go to those sites for the comments | Dec 01 21:34 |
| ender2070 | there can be some uplifting stuff on slashdot | Dec 01 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | so I was a smartass and called in and told them my bill should be $2.20 a month cause I only really watch five channels | Dec 01 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 01 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | they took the sign down | Dec 01 21:35 |
| ender2070 | and I say "can" loosely cause a lot of it isnt | Dec 01 21:35 |
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| ender2070 | i read the mono-nono comments because its funny to see how illogical some of the critics can be | Dec 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | It's the same folks, no? | Dec 01 21:37 |
| ender2070 | entertainment, and popcorn :) | Dec 01 21:37 |
| ender2070 | yes | Dec 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Mostly Jo, Jason, and a friend of him | Dec 01 21:38 |
| schestowitz | With the bull crouching | Dec 01 21:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why is this paedophile ring still allowed to operate publicly? http://is.gd/58W8o | Dec 01 21:38 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Counsellor abused molested boy, court told .::. Size~: 80.52 KB | Dec 01 21:38 |
| ender2070 | I like his site | Dec 01 21:38 |
| ender2070 | jason makes a good point in his comments "I adopt a similar stance to say – food I eat – but there are some people who are very political about it. That being said, I wouldn’t bust into a vegan meeting and start calling them all “zealots” either." | Dec 01 21:40 |
| ender2070 | lol | Dec 01 21:41 |
| ender2070 | or go to a church, "you're all zealots!" | Dec 01 21:41 |
| cubezzz | no | Dec 01 21:41 |
| cubezzz | what if I make my _own_ church? :) | Dec 01 21:41 |
| ender2070 | church of slack? | Dec 01 21:42 |
| ender2070 | err subgenius | Dec 01 21:42 |
| cubezzz | noooo | Dec 01 21:42 |
| cubezzz | anyways | Dec 01 21:42 |
| cubezzz | actually a number of Linux people are vegetarian | Dec 01 21:43 |
| cubezzz | not me though | Dec 01 21:43 |
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| sebsebseb | hmm didn't join here untill now, and been on IRC for a bit now | Dec 01 21:43 |
| ender2070 | it was more or less along the lines of making fun of team mono, for going to an anti-mono site and calling people zealots | Dec 01 21:44 |
| cubezzz | mono is not in my universe | Dec 01 21:44 |
| cubezzz | but I don't bother "making fun" | Dec 01 21:44 |
| ender2070 | i make fun but I try to do so with civility | Dec 01 21:45 |
| ender2070 | superimposing a windows xp box into miguel's hands is something I call "civil" fun making | Dec 01 21:46 |
| cubezzz | "this concludes this test of the emergency broadcast system" | Dec 01 21:48 |
| cubezzz | it's interesting, if you go back far enough people where using the term X/Linux/GNU | Dec 01 21:49 |
| cubezzz | were | Dec 01 21:49 |
| ender2070 | uncivil might be something like superimposing a penis into his hands or something | Dec 01 21:49 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Dec 01 21:49 |
| ender2070 | yggdrasil did | Dec 01 21:49 |
| cubezzz | GinuX | Dec 01 21:49 |
| ender2070 | media and news just called things "Linux" | Dec 01 21:49 |
| ender2070 | and it caught on | Dec 01 21:49 |
| cubezzz | well stricting speaking.... you are using Linux or not | Dec 01 21:50 |
| MinceR | 223821 < cubezzz> what if I make my _own_ church? :) | Dec 01 21:50 |
| MinceR | "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is!" | Dec 01 21:50 |
| MinceR | ;) | Dec 01 21:50 |
| cubezzz | I can live with that | Dec 01 21:50 |
| ender2070 | i am using linux, but its part of a distribution I refer to as GNU\Linux | Dec 01 21:50 |
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| cubezzz | well, I use GNU of course | Dec 01 21:50 |
| ender2070 | technically I use "Fedora" | Dec 01 21:51 |
| cubezzz | even my TV uses GNU | Dec 01 21:51 |
| cubezzz | I think | Dec 01 21:51 |
| cubezzz | Fedora is good except for embedded | Dec 01 21:53 |
| ender2070 | for embedded i might use arch | Dec 01 21:53 |
| ender2070 | or something specific | Dec 01 21:54 |
| cubezzz | my TV uses GPL software anyway | Dec 01 21:56 |
| cubezzz | not positive if any GNU utilities are in there | Dec 01 21:56 |
| cubezzz | which is pretty cool if you think about it | Dec 01 21:56 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Dec 01 21:58 |
| ender2070 | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15174/dell_releases_unofficial_chrome_os_linux_desktop | Dec 01 21:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell releases unofficial Chrome OS Linux desktop - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 125.4 KB | Dec 01 21:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Watch out for Linux! http://twitpic.com/rppjd | Dec 01 21:59 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: LOL HAHAHAHA!! on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.29 KB | Dec 01 21:59 |
| ender2070 | LOL! | Dec 01 22:00 |
| ender2070 | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/developer-ponders-release-of-linux-malware-2627 | Dec 01 22:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Developer Ponders Release of Linux Malware - News - eWeekEurope.co.uk .::. Size~: 24.28 KB | Dec 01 22:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Rupert Murdoch: 'There's no such thing as a free news story' - You have to laugh really. http://tinyurl.com/yah7zsb | Dec 01 22:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Hit by Black Screens of Death, Bill Gates Subpoenaed over #RROD http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/01/bsod-and-rrod-roundup/ | Dec 01 22:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Vista 7 Hit by Black Screens of Death, Bill Gates Subpoenaed over Red Rings of Death | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.63 KB | Dec 01 22:26 |
| _goblin | comment of the day (over on IRC p2p.net): | Dec 01 22:31 |
| _goblin | "DOES LINUX HAS WINDOWS MOVIE MAKER?" | Dec 01 22:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pressure Mounts on Bill and Steve to Repay Stolen Money http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/01/gates-microsoft-tax/ | Dec 01 22:38 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pressure Mounts on Bill and Steve to Repay Stolen Money | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.87 KB | Dec 01 22:38 |
| _goblin | hi all, Im back... | Dec 01 22:46 |
| _goblin | from a rather harrowing P2p.net insultathon.... | Dec 01 22:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft’s IE at an all time low? http://tinyurl.com/ygpgz3d #ie #microsoft #windows #vista #firefox #safari #chrome #chromium #ff #xp | Dec 01 22:50 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsofts IE at an all time low? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 39.62 KB | Dec 01 22:50 |
| schestowitz | hey, _goblin | Dec 01 22:50 |
| *schestowitz catching up | Dec 01 22:50 | |
| _goblin | hi | Dec 01 22:50 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yes, they invade other blogs | Dec 01 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Their rights, but they must keep polite | Dec 01 22:51 |
| schestowitz | If I barge into someone else's mono blog, then I keep polite | Dec 01 22:51 |
| schestowitz | If I write about it in my own turf, that's fine | Dec 01 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Ah. | Dec 01 22:52 |
| schestowitz | IE article... just what I deeded for match a 'sock' | Dec 01 22:53 |
| schestowitz | I have another article about IE | Dec 01 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Now there's a matching pair | Dec 01 22:53 |
| _goblin | Ive started using my Identi.ca account again.... | Dec 01 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Dec 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I strive to move there eventually, as it grows | Dec 01 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | I post to identica only | Dec 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | The settings there allow you to forward it to Twitter | Dec 01 23:00 |
| ChaoS-work | lol @ goblin for spamming other networks | Dec 01 23:01 |
| ChaoS-work | ( 16:43:05 ) ( _goblin ) Right chaps....Thanks for the material....if you ever want to speak like adults then please visit over at #boycottnovell on freenode.net....take care all! | Dec 01 23:01 |
| ChaoS-work | ( 16:43:10 ) ::: ( • ) Quit: _goblin ( ~goblin@P2PNET-59369049.zone7.bethere.co.uk ) quited from IRC [ Quit: Ex-Chat ] | Dec 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | So you only need to post to one place really. Very convenient, trmanco had me use ping.fm for a whole | Dec 01 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: what channel was this? | Dec 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | That's not spamming, either | Dec 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | The word "Spamming" lost its meaning | Dec 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | It came to mean, anything posted publicly which we don't like/agree with | Dec 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | The jargon "Spam" was ascribed originally to bulk mail sent without consent to huge number of unknown recipients | Dec 01 23:03 |
| _goblin | lol | Dec 01 23:09 |
| _goblin | just afk | Dec 01 23:09 |
| _goblin | I was trying to get a sensible conversation out of filesharers... | Dec 01 23:09 |
| _goblin | unfortunately just met with vulgarity... | Dec 01 23:09 |
| _goblin | I think I'll change my stance....the DEB needs to go ahead, theres no such thing as sensible debate when it comes to freedom of data and filesharing. | Dec 01 23:10 |
| _goblin | There was one guy whose whole argument on filesharing stemed from trying to wind up RMS. | Dec 01 23:11 |
| _goblin | oh and Roy, FYI, I made it quite clear I merely chatted here and had no connection to your or anyone elses views. | Dec 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Which channel? | Dec 01 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Some channels like mono or opensuse naturally dislike me | Dec 01 23:16 |
| _goblin | this was a "unlawful filesharing" channel on p2p.net...I can't remember which one, it was the one with the most users in it.... | Dec 01 23:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Better as a Platform, Not Just a Toolbox of Powerful Applications http://ur1.ca/gxhv | Dec 01 23:18 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: It is no longer about the Killer Application | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 53.3 KB | Dec 01 23:18 |
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| _goblin | one of the users tried to claim that a EULA was unenforcable..... | Dec 01 23:19 |
| _goblin | whilst also dismissing the strength of a "condition of entry" in the UK. | Dec 01 23:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Develops Multiple #Linux -based Operating Systems, "Fragmentation" a Non-Issue http://ur1.ca/gyty | Dec 01 23:20 | |
| _goblin | then of course when they couldn't say why they were Windows users....thought FOSS coders had egos and Wine was an emulator, the whole thing deteriated..... | Dec 01 23:20 |
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| _goblin | if thats the majority of the "average Windows user" then I think Linux is better off with its smaller market share... | Dec 01 23:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows is actually more fragmented than Linux because Microsoft forked and branched its kernel | Dec 01 23:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCAL[inux]E University is Back http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/special-events/scale-u | Dec 01 23:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: SCALE University Returns for SCALE 8X | SCALE 8x - 2010 Southern California Linux Expo .::. Size~: 12.48 KB | Dec 01 23:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] GNOME Desktop Environment - Themes Collection for the Bling Lovers http://ur1.ca/gyu2 | Dec 01 23:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Has Light and Power #PDF Applications http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/ | Dec 01 23:23 | |
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| schestowitz | Wine is not an emulator :-) | Dec 01 23:24 |
| schestowitz | [W]ine [I]s [N]ot [E]mulator | Dec 01 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Compatibility layer | Dec 01 23:25 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: I did mention that point....Im not sure if it sunk in.... | Dec 01 23:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Software Compilation 4.3.4 Released, #KDE 4.4 #Plasma Developments Detailed http://ur1.ca/gyuh http://ur1.ca/gyui | Dec 01 23:32 | |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tale of a little pixel - A brief notification .::. Size~: 17.86 KB | Dec 01 23:32 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: however it was at the same time they claimed FOSS coders had ego's....I tried to suggest that a FOSS project by its nature encouraged sharing and helping each other, ergo no ego....I think I was fighting a losing battle....ignorance on their scale cannot be countered. | Dec 01 23:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many things are on version KDE 4.3 at the moment: Samba, Puppy, KDE... | Dec 01 23:33 | |
| _goblin | still its provided some excellent material for a new article "Broken Digital Britain" | Dec 01 23:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Gets Good New Additions and Reviews http://ur1.ca/gy3g http://ur1.ca/gyum http://ur1.ca/gyun | Dec 01 23:35 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu 10.4 (Lucid) boot experience changing from using usplash to plymouth | Ubuntu Geek .::. Size~: 41.82 KB | Dec 01 23:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu 9.10 - Geek News Central .::. Size~: 30.96 KB | Dec 01 23:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Could Ubuntu get enterprises to finally embrace the cloud? | Cloud Computing - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 65.82 KB | Dec 01 23:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Mint 8 ( #Ubuntu Variant) Gets Fantastic #Review http://linuxcritic.com/stories/43-Linux-Mint-8-Review-and-Commentary.html | Dec 01 23:36 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Mint 8 - Review and Commentary - Linux Critic .::. Size~: 55.4 KB | Dec 01 23:36 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I try not to infight | Dec 01 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It leads nowhere | Dec 01 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Like Linux vs RMS | Dec 01 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Friendly arguments = fine | Dec 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | But we need to help neighbours and unite | Dec 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Not stay divided and weak | Dec 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I still see Mono mindset as a huge threat | Dec 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | We can't just embrace OOXML, Silver Lie and .NET like Miguel wants Linux to do | Dec 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | It's insane | Dec 01 23:37 |
| _goblin | mmm....i'd tend to disagree.....(in terms of the "debate" Ive just had) | Dec 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | he's loyal to his CodePlex Foundation post | Dec 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I've avoided infighting | Dec 01 23:38 |
| _goblin | the users I was engaged in chat with should stay with Microsoft and their products...they have no place within the FOSS community... | Dec 01 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Like when people asked me to do a petition re GNOME vs KDE | Dec 01 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I avoid the DE wars | Dec 01 23:38 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: depends. | Dec 01 23:38 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft made platform-netral s/w that's free software, then OK | Dec 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | But they never do this | Dec 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Not Hyper-V | Dec 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | For WIndows | Dec 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Not the Vista 7 USB tool | Dec 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Only for Vista 7 | Dec 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Not the Moodle plugin | Dec 01 23:39 |
| _goblin | I think diverse opinion is good..... | Dec 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | For Microsoft Mail | Dec 01 23:39 |
| _goblin | if we all follow the same hymsheet you get Windows.... | Dec 01 23:39 |
| _goblin | Look at Gnome as Mono slowly infects it. | Dec 01 23:40 |
| cubezzz | no, you can always use old GNOME | Dec 01 23:40 |
| cubezzz | or old KDE, if necessary | Dec 01 23:40 |
| cubezzz | newer isn't always better | Dec 01 23:41 |
| _goblin | yes but who would want old Gnome...they would simply confirm and get new....my point was, if there was no emotional "in-fighting" there would probably be less of a diverse Linux..... | Dec 01 23:41 |
| _goblin | and we would all be using a Mono infected Gnome. | Dec 01 23:41 |
| _goblin | *conform not confirm. | Dec 01 23:41 |
| cubezzz | most FOSS types aren't conformist :) | Dec 01 23:42 |
| _goblin | as Ric Flair once said..."being loved is fine, being hated is fine....its indifference thats the killer" | Dec 01 23:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora #GNU #Linux 12 Gets Excellent Review from Tough #Reviewer http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2009/11/30/fedora-12/ | Dec 01 23:42 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fedora 12 Review | Desktop Linux Reviews .::. Size~: 90.67 KB | Dec 01 23:42 |
| _goblin | never a truer word said. | Dec 01 23:42 |
| schestowitz | well, you're loves here | Dec 01 23:42 |
| schestowitz | *loved | Dec 01 23:42 |
| _goblin | :) | Dec 01 23:43 |
| _goblin | ah...Ive gone all warm.... | Dec 01 23:43 |
| trmanco | Ric Flair? | Dec 01 23:43 |
| trmanco | the wrestler? | Dec 01 23:43 |
| _goblin | a WWE Wrestler. | Dec 01 23:43 |
| trmanco | the wrestler? | Dec 01 23:43 |
| trmanco | ahh cool :D | Dec 01 23:43 |
| _goblin | in his book "To be the man" | Dec 01 23:43 |
| trmanco | they don't do wrestlers like old times | Dec 01 23:43 |
| _goblin | and yes, Im a wrestling fan... | Dec 01 23:43 |
| trmanco | me too | Dec 01 23:43 |
| _goblin | just finished watching King of the Deathmatch 1995 (again) | Dec 01 23:44 |
| trmanco | old times are the best times | Dec 01 23:44 |
| _goblin | Cactus Jack and the exploding barbed wire matches! | Dec 01 23:44 |
| cubezzz | remember King Kong Bundy? :) | Dec 01 23:44 |
| _goblin | oh yes... | Dec 01 23:44 |
| trmanco | no | Dec 01 23:44 |
| trmanco | LOL | Dec 01 23:44 |
| _goblin | I go back all the way to Wrestlemania 1 | Dec 01 23:44 |
| _goblin | to modern day. | Dec 01 23:45 |
| trmanco | oo | Dec 01 23:45 |
| _goblin | Infact got hours of NWA footage.....too | Dec 01 23:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RIP, John Birrell, of Monash University in Australia and #FreeBSD http://ur1.ca/gyv5 #bsd | Dec 01 23:45 | |
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| _goblin | best finishing move of all wrestlers???? | Dec 01 23:45 |
| _goblin | Peoples elbow.....pure genius... | Dec 01 23:46 |
| _goblin | a close second...Mr Socko. | Dec 01 23:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] schestowitz: #Linux #Mint 8 ( #Ubuntu Variant) Gets Fantastic #Review │ ▒│ | Dec 01 23:46 | |
| _goblin | millions of people cheering a sock.....thats marketing.... | Dec 01 23:46 |
| trmanco | The Rock | Dec 01 23:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones from #Motorola Look Good So Far http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/reviews/article.php/3850261 | Dec 01 23:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] RT fail - Linux Mint 8 - Review and Commentary - Linux Critic http://tinyurl.com/ygoy8y9 | Dec 01 23:47 | |
| _goblin | The Sock and Rock connection.... | Dec 01 23:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Mint 8 - Review and Commentary - Linux Critic .::. Size~: 55.4 KB | Dec 01 23:47 |
| trmanco | yeah, interesting "rivalry" | Dec 01 23:47 |
| _goblin | trmanco...did your twitter account get compromised the other day? | Dec 01 23:48 |
| trmanco | when? | Dec 01 23:49 |
| trmanco | all that fun140 stuff? | Dec 01 23:49 |
| _goblin | yeah | Dec 01 23:49 |
| trmanco | no | Dec 01 23:49 |
| trmanco | it was me | Dec 01 23:49 |
| _goblin | I thought it was out of character..... | Dec 01 23:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks Growth Predicated to Carry on (Good News for #Linux ) http://ur1.ca/gyva | Dec 01 23:49 | |
| trmanco | trying to distract myself | Dec 01 23:49 |
| trmanco | I'm still not in the mood | Dec 01 23:49 |
| _goblin | fair play... | Dec 01 23:49 |
| _goblin | Im a big fan of Anna from the new V series. | Dec 01 23:50 |
| _goblin | and she wasn't on your voting options... :( | Dec 01 23:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ZFS Still Rocks, to Belong to #Oracle Probably http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/features/article.php/3849556 | Dec 01 23:50 | |
| trmanco | LOL | Dec 01 23:50 |
| _goblin | and where was Paris Hilton? | Dec 01 23:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Guru on "POWER TO THE PEOPLE" http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Issues/2010/110/POWER-TO-THE-PEOPLE | Dec 01 23:51 | |
| trmanco | there were polls with her | Dec 01 23:51 |
| trmanco | but I just don't feel the need on clicking those | Dec 01 23:52 |
| _goblin | oh forgot to say....You seen Summerslam 1992 at Wembley? | Dec 01 23:52 |
| trmanco | no... that is really just plain too old :| | Dec 01 23:53 |
| _goblin | Im shown on TV 4th row from the front holding the Union Jack flag....... | Dec 01 23:53 |
| trmanco | I'm a wrestling fan since 1998 | Dec 01 23:53 |
| _goblin | ah.... | Dec 01 23:53 |
| _goblin | at least you saw Hell in a cell. | Dec 01 23:53 |
| _goblin | I hope? | Dec 01 23:53 |
| trmanco | I love hell in the cell | Dec 01 23:54 |
| _goblin | you would love King of the Deathmatch 1995 then.... | Dec 01 23:54 |
| trmanco | a* | Dec 01 23:54 |
| trmanco | TLC matches are cool too | Dec 01 23:54 |
| _goblin | Mick Foley winning KOTDM: http://www.ugo.com/sports/mick-foley-moments/images/king-of-the-deathmatch.jpg | Dec 01 23:55 |
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| _goblin | a classic | Dec 01 23:55 |
| trmanco | oh, Mankind | Dec 01 23:56 |
| trmanco | LOL | Dec 01 23:56 |
| trmanco | I barely knew him as Mick Foley | Dec 01 23:56 |
| _goblin | aka Cactus Jack | Dec 01 23:56 |
| trmanco | oh | Dec 01 23:56 |
| _goblin | or Dude Love... | Dec 01 23:56 |
| _goblin | or Mankind.. | Dec 01 23:56 |
| trmanco | he is a little nuts | Dec 01 23:56 |
| _goblin | very....he was more so when he was in IWA..... | Dec 01 23:56 |
| _goblin | he toned down when he went to WCW and even more so in WWE | Dec 01 23:57 |
| _goblin | you seen his wife? | Dec 01 23:57 |
| trmanco | no | Dec 01 23:59 |
| trmanco | why do you ask? | Dec 01 23:59 |
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