| fewa | and Locke | Dec 05 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| fewa | to show its orgins | Dec 05 00:00 |
| fewa | and Dec of Independance | Dec 05 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Or law | Dec 05 00:00 |
| schestowitz | So that people understand their rights | Dec 05 00:00 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> Or law | Dec 05 00:00 |
| fewa | law is a evil, corrupt, morass | Dec 05 00:00 |
| schestowitz | If the law does exist which it must, then the way to use it against those who could use it | Dec 05 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Not knowing rights to privacy for example | Dec 05 00:01 |
| fewa | you have to focus on rights | Dec 05 00:01 |
| fewa | those are differn't from law | Dec 05 00:01 |
| fewa | and teach a important part of civics | Dec 05 00:01 |
| fewa | but law..... | Dec 05 00:01 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA | Dec 05 00:02 |
| cubezzz | MIT is good | Dec 05 00:04 |
| fewa | reading, writing, arithmetic, civics | Dec 05 00:04 |
| fewa | and also science | Dec 05 00:05 |
| fewa | but science is secondary to the first four | Dec 05 00:05 |
| fewa | civics is the #1 neglected | Dec 05 00:06 |
| fewa | if only students had to pass the same test naturalized citizens have to pass, this country would function alot better | Dec 05 00:07 |
| cubezzz | imagine if FOSS was a school course | Dec 05 00:07 |
| fewa | cubezzz, why shouldn't it be? | Dec 05 00:07 |
| fewa | although that wouldn't be the subject | Dec 05 00:08 |
| cubezzz | it could be elective | Dec 05 00:08 |
| cubezzz | which it is, sort of | Dec 05 00:08 |
| fewa | it would be, science of computers, naturally with FOSS | Dec 05 00:08 |
| fewa | hardly | Dec 05 00:08 |
| fewa | computers are very important | Dec 05 00:08 |
| cubezzz | yes, I agree | Dec 05 00:08 |
| fewa | it just is not in the very central core requirements of education | Dec 05 00:09 |
| fewa | reading, writing, arithmetic, civics | Dec 05 00:09 |
| cubezzz | writing? | Dec 05 00:09 |
| fewa | not fancy writing | Dec 05 00:09 |
| cubezzz | writing = computers to a large degree | Dec 05 00:09 |
| fewa | not computers | Dec 05 00:09 |
| fewa | just happens on a computer | Dec 05 00:10 |
| fewa | these are differn't | Dec 05 00:10 |
| fewa | that the difference between "oldfags", oldies, and the computer generation | Dec 05 00:10 |
| fewa | computers are tools | Dec 05 00:10 |
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| fewa | i'm not saying how it has to happen | Dec 05 00:10 |
| fewa | just saying that every citizen should at least learn those basics | Dec 05 00:11 |
| fewa | the united states still has a literacy problem | Dec 05 00:12 |
| fewa | something with the rest of the industrialized world, and much of the non-industrialized world, does not have | Dec 05 00:13 |
| fewa | "No child left behind" made this woorse | Dec 05 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Became "no child's behind left" | Dec 05 00:16 |
| fewa | meh | Dec 05 00:16 |
| schestowitz | That's a Hitchens joke | Dec 05 00:16 |
| fewa | what it really meant was | Dec 05 00:16 |
| fewa | 1. teach to the lower common demonator, do not attempt to inspire and use students that are intelligent or interested | Dec 05 00:17 |
| fewa | 2. create huge dumb-downed standardized tests, so that a small group of test-writers can decide what is taught at schools | Dec 05 00:18 |
| fewa | and then | Dec 05 00:18 |
| fewa | 3. stress out school administrators so they crush teacher spirits and force the real teaching, or life lessons, civics, etc, off of the agenda | Dec 05 00:19 |
| cubezzz | that does sound rather bad | Dec 05 00:19 |
| fewa | I was amazed how low my scores were | Dec 05 00:19 |
| fewa | but on the much better written AP and SAT tests I got top percentiles | Dec 05 00:20 |
| cubezzz | real learning is self-directed | Dec 05 00:20 |
| fewa | these things are directed by "focus group" and "group think" mentality | Dec 05 00:20 |
| fewa | its a huge curse like "enterprise software" | Dec 05 00:20 |
| tessier | Because you got a better score the test was better written? | Dec 05 00:20 |
| fewa | tessier, no | Dec 05 00:21 |
| fewa | tessier, didn't mean to say that | Dec 05 00:21 |
| tessier | The US has a 99.0% literacy rate. | Dec 05 00:21 |
| tessier | I'm not sure that's really a problem. | Dec 05 00:21 |
| fewa | tessier, each year they dumb down what they call literacy | Dec 05 00:21 |
| tessier | I have never met someone who cannot read as far as I know. I probably have, but it has never come up. | Dec 05 00:22 |
| fewa | its not just basic words | Dec 05 00:22 |
| tessier | What is it then? | Dec 05 00:22 |
| fewa | its ability to understand important stuff: food labling, read tabular data | Dec 05 00:22 |
| tessier | Literacy has always meant knowing how to read. | Dec 05 00:22 |
| fewa | yes | Dec 05 00:23 |
| fewa | they do practical test with every-day stuff | Dec 05 00:23 |
| tessier | It has never meant having analytical skills. | Dec 05 00:23 |
| fewa | and reading comprehension is pretty bad | Dec 05 00:23 |
| tessier | So it isn't reading/literacy but reading comprehension which you say is low in the US. | Dec 05 00:23 |
| fewa | meh, same difference | Dec 05 00:23 |
| cubezzz | comprehension in general is bad :) | Dec 05 00:23 |
| cubezzz | not just reading | Dec 05 00:24 |
| fewa | its also impossible to fire a stupid or incompetent teacher | Dec 05 00:25 |
| fewa | my hopes are the utter failing of the system will lead to some great FOSS online thing | Dec 05 00:25 |
| tessier | That is a problem. Those darn unions. | Dec 05 00:25 |
| fewa | and a more community teaching | Dec 05 00:25 |
| fewa | tessier, not really | Dec 05 00:25 |
| fewa | the real problem is that schools are not meant to teach | Dec 05 00:25 |
| fewa | that is not their societal function | Dec 05 00:25 |
| cubezzz | "I have to teach using MIcrosoft producs to prepare students for the reality of the business world" | Dec 05 00:25 |
| tessier | I thought you said it was impossible to fire a stupid or incompetent teacher? | Dec 05 00:26 |
| fewa | if schools were meant to teach they would attract many educators | Dec 05 00:26 |
| fewa | tessier, it is | Dec 05 00:26 |
| tessier | And that is because of the unions. | Dec 05 00:26 |
| fewa | thats because competence is not somthing desired by schools | Dec 05 00:26 |
| cubezzz | what is their function? | Dec 05 00:26 |
| fewa | not really unions | Dec 05 00:26 |
| tessier | Having dated 3 teachers over a period of 10 years I can tell you it's the unions. | Dec 05 00:26 |
| fewa | cubezzz, teach institutionalization | Dec 05 00:26 |
| tessier | Around here teachers are *required* to join the union or they cannot teach. | Dec 05 00:27 |
| tessier | And required to pay the union dues. It comes straight out of the paycheck. | Dec 05 00:27 |
| fewa | if you want to change something you have to change the societal function | Dec 05 00:27 |
| fewa | tessier, no | Dec 05 00:27 |
| fewa | you can pay your dues to some other non-profit | Dec 05 00:27 |
| fewa | and not join | Dec 05 00:27 |
| tessier | I've seen the paycheck stubs. And the union rules. So...yes. | Dec 05 00:27 |
| tessier | Not here. | Dec 05 00:27 |
| fewa | ahh | Dec 05 00:27 |
| fewa | will thats not fair | Dec 05 00:27 |
| tessier | I agree. | Dec 05 00:27 |
| fewa | I think the 501(c) option is great | Dec 05 00:28 |
| tessier | Why even force them to make a donation? | Dec 05 00:28 |
| fewa | although democratic governance is good | Dec 05 00:28 |
| fewa | tessier, cause otherwise there is the Tragedy of the Commons | Dec 05 00:28 |
| fewa | and the union falls apart | Dec 05 00:28 |
| fewa | even if it is functioning well | Dec 05 00:28 |
| tessier | If the people want a union they will join and pay for it. | Dec 05 00:29 |
| fewa | tessier, no | Dec 05 00:29 |
| fewa | you dont understand tragedy of the commons | Dec 05 00:29 |
| tessier | You cannot dictate that there will be a union and presume that it is better for everyone. | Dec 05 00:29 |
| cubezzz | individualism is discouraged? | Dec 05 00:29 |
| fewa | you can be an individual | Dec 05 00:29 |
| fewa | you just cant gain from it | Dec 05 00:29 |
| tessier | If everyone else thinks someone else will take care of it then they really don't want it. | Dec 05 00:29 |
| fewa | *unfairly gain | Dec 05 00:29 |
| cubezzz | the world is rather conformist it seems | Dec 05 00:30 |
| fewa | <tessier> If everyone else thinks someone else will take care of it then they really don't want it. | Dec 05 00:30 |
| fewa | thats classic defeatism | Dec 05 00:30 |
| fewa | then everything will simply get woorse and woorse | Dec 05 00:30 |
| tessier | Right. And it is their own fault. | Dec 05 00:30 |
| fewa | if you always choose the least of two bads, they will continue getting woorse | Dec 05 00:30 |
| tessier | There are lots of industries where union membership is not mandatory. | Dec 05 00:31 |
| tessier | And they still have unions. | Dec 05 00:31 |
| cubezzz | make teachers all consultants then | Dec 05 00:31 |
| cubezzz | things are just too rigid, especially in HS | Dec 05 00:33 |
| fewa | cubezzz, as HS is not about education | Dec 05 00:35 |
| fewa | it is about training subserviance, institutional settings | Dec 05 00:35 |
| fewa | training to be a corporate drone | Dec 05 00:35 |
| tessier | Training for factory jobs which have been outsourced to China | Dec 05 00:35 |
| cubezzz | yeah you can't even be a drone now :) | Dec 05 00:37 |
| cubezzz | talk about unfair | Dec 05 00:37 |
| cubezzz | a nation of consumers, not producers | Dec 05 00:37 |
| cubezzz | I don't think I can get a pair of shoes made in my own country | Dec 05 00:38 |
| cubezzz | which is crazy | Dec 05 00:38 |
| fewa | US | Dec 05 00:39 |
| fewa | ? | Dec 05 00:39 |
| cubezzz | Canada | Dec 05 00:39 |
| fewa | ooo | Dec 05 00:39 |
| fewa | yeah Canada has never had much textiles | Dec 05 00:39 |
| fewa | the US had alot of textiles, and a very small amount still exists | Dec 05 00:39 |
| cubezzz | we used to, a long time ago I visited some plants that made clothes | Dec 05 00:39 |
| fewa | Quebec? | Dec 05 00:40 |
| cubezzz | Ontario | Dec 05 00:40 |
| cubezzz | Burns shoes was famous in our area for 80 years | Dec 05 00:42 |
| cubezzz | it's long gone now though | Dec 05 00:42 |
| cubezzz | we even made pianos in the city I'm living in once upon a time | Dec 05 00:43 |
| fewa | pianos became big after WW2 | Dec 05 00:44 |
| fewa | cause b/f WW2 europe made like 70% | Dec 05 00:44 |
| cubezzz | this was around 1900-1910 era | Dec 05 00:44 |
| fewa | thats why japaneese piano companies grew go much | Dec 05 00:45 |
| cubezzz | not sure when it stopped making them | Dec 05 00:45 |
| fewa | Yamaha esp | Dec 05 00:46 |
| cubezzz | R.S. Williams made pianos from 1873 to early 1930's | Dec 05 00:50 |
| cubezzz | almost completely forgotten now | Dec 05 00:51 |
| fewa | http://reason.com/archives/2006/01/13/stupid-in-america | Dec 05 00:55 |
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| fewa | "The longer kids stay in American schools, the worse they do in international competition. " | Dec 05 00:56 |
| cubezzz | closed in the Depression era actually | Dec 05 00:56 |
| cubezzz | fewa, did you ever see that book "The Dumbest Generaton"? | Dec 05 00:57 |
| cubezzz | or maybe it was called the stupidest generation | Dec 05 00:57 |
| fewa | http://www.dumbestgeneration.com/home.html | Dec 05 00:57 |
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| fewa | look stupid, is you dont mind me saying | Dec 05 00:57 |
| fewa | just a yes men book | Dec 05 00:58 |
| fewa | more despondance upon the poor | Dec 05 00:58 |
| fewa | blaming the victim | Dec 05 00:58 |
| fewa | etc | Dec 05 00:58 |
| cubezzz | found a pic | Dec 05 01:01 |
| fewa | the federal government has long been the biggest problem | Dec 05 01:02 |
| fewa | in education | Dec 05 01:02 |
| cubezzz | http://www.oshawamuseum.org/virtualexhibits/industries/williams.htm | Dec 05 01:02 |
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| fewa | if you got rid of their grubby, political pork hands, the schools would be much better | Dec 05 01:02 |
| fewa | well maybe not long | Dec 05 01:02 |
| fewa | but currently | Dec 05 01:03 |
| cubezzz | they could be a TON better | Dec 05 01:03 |
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| fewa | they could be thrown out | Dec 05 01:04 |
| fewa | every one fired | Dec 05 01:04 |
| fewa | its already happening | Dec 05 01:04 |
| cubezzz | I've been out of school quite a while | Dec 05 01:06 |
| cubezzz | so I'm not really sure what it's like currently | Dec 05 01:07 |
| cubezzz | Detroit area is supposed to be terrible | Dec 05 01:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @sickjew: Medicare. 3% overhead RT @Cody_K There is no realistic path to #singlepayer robust plan currently. Do you see one? Point it out. | Dec 05 01:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @sickjew: Medicare. RT @Cody_K There is no realistic path to #singlepayer robust plan currently. Do you see one? #hcr | Dec 05 01:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 -- Just Like #Vista -- Resorts to Corny Bus Promotion http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/04/vista-7-bus-promotion/ | Dec 05 01:09 | |
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| schestowitz | http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/70647-palin-to-obama-boycott-copenhagen-over-hacked-climate-emails | Dec 05 01:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @sickjew: Medicare. 3% overhead RT @Cody_K There is no realistic path to #singlepayer robust plan currently. Do you see one? Point it out. | Dec 05 01:10 | |
| fewa | schestowitz, those were taken out of context | Dec 05 01:11 |
| fewa | shows how "the hill" is part of the establishment | Dec 05 01:11 |
| schestowitz | I just saw it in some plugin I have | Dec 05 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Came via twitter | Dec 05 01:11 |
| fewa | those things work live hive minds | Dec 05 01:11 |
| fewa | echo chambers | Dec 05 01:11 |
| fewa | you have to be careful what dose you take, and to always use a grain of salt | Dec 05 01:12 |
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| _goblin | good evening all... | Dec 05 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Yo | Dec 05 01:33 |
| _goblin | I see MS are admitting defeat and developing a Bing app for the iphone.... | Dec 05 01:37 |
| amarsh04 | cannibalism on the rise in polar bears due to lack of Hudson Bay sea ice | Dec 05 01:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Ballot Screen is Not Justice, #InternetExplorer Still Compromises Users’ PCs http://bit.ly/851pvC | Dec 05 01:37 | |
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| schestowitz | fewa: the way tessier put the point about literacy is compelling | Dec 05 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Alas, education in the US is good compared to "the World", not the "developing nations" | Dec 05 01:38 |
| schestowitz | A lot of Europe, for example, is multi-lingual and the pace of /improvement/ in some 'foreign' educational systems like India's and China's present a risk to US dominance | Dec 05 01:39 |
| _goblin | The Windows 7 v Ubuntu poll is currently at 70 for 7, 66 for 9.10 and 34 undecided......hardly makes Windows 7 the killer OS which everyone wants? | Dec 05 01:40 |
| schestowitz | It's not a killer unless one can explain why, in terms of features | Dec 05 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Why Vista7 and not Vista, or XP? | Dec 05 01:41 |
| schestowitz | What can I achieve in VIsta 7 that I can't already do in KDE4? If I wanted, I could use wine too | Dec 05 01:41 |
| trmanco | slowness | Dec 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Not that I need wine, but it probably has equal/better Windows compatibility than VIsta7 given that nightmare Microsoft created by removing APIs, adding UAC, etc. | Dec 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz | I regret not moving to kde4 permanently even earlier | Dec 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Focus on drama and internal news: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/12/amanda_knox_guilty_on_all_char.html | Dec 05 01:44 |
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| _goblin | "What can I achieve in VIsta 7 that I can't already do in KDE4?" a similar question couldnt be answered on my blog by a visiting Microsoft employee....if MS can't answer, who can? | Dec 05 01:44 |
| _goblin | yeah 26 years for Amanda... | Dec 05 01:44 |
| _goblin | 25 for the other chap.... | Dec 05 01:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Its snowing on the Wordpress dashboard....! Nice little xmas effect! | Dec 05 01:47 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @zoobab EtherPad: the edits are transmitted through our servers, which process them according to our patent-pending edit sync algorithm. | Dec 05 02:06 | |
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| zer0c00l | ping schestowitz | Dec 05 02:12 |
| zer0c00l | he is away? | Dec 05 02:12 |
| zer0c00l | http://identi.ca/notice/16082454 | Dec 05 02:12 |
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| _goblin | He was here about an hour ago Zero. | Dec 05 02:13 |
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| zer0c00l | _goblin: ok | Dec 05 02:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] McCreevy’s Suicidal #Patent Battle to Harm Europe Glorified in Irish Press http://ur1.ca/h5jo #swpat | Dec 05 02:15 | |
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| schestowitz | hey, zer0c00l | Dec 05 02:16 |
| schestowitz | ACK. | Dec 05 02:16 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: http://identi.ca/notice/16082454 | Dec 05 02:18 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: http://identi.ca/notice/16095713 | Dec 05 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's true | Dec 05 02:19 |
| schestowitz | It's possible that he'll ignore your message now | Dec 05 02:19 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: hmm, lets wait and see | Dec 05 02:20 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: :-) | Dec 05 02:20 |
| cubezzz | hahaha | Dec 05 02:25 |
| cubezzz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaz63L8x0Z8&feature=related | Dec 05 02:26 |
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| ender2070 | schestowitz - did you see what was written about me | Dec 05 02:40 |
| ender2070 | lol | Dec 05 02:40 |
| cubezzz | what? | Dec 05 02:42 |
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| ender2070 | someone took my comments about reptilians a little seriously | Dec 05 02:45 |
| ender2070 | lol | Dec 05 02:45 |
| _goblin | ender2070: where? | Dec 05 02:46 |
| ender2070 | i dont want to link it here | Dec 05 02:46 |
| _goblin | what was the article about? | Dec 05 02:46 |
| ender2070 | its one of the shill sites | Dec 05 02:46 |
| _goblin | ah | Dec 05 02:46 |
| _goblin | the double boycott one? | Dec 05 02:46 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Dec 05 02:46 |
| _goblin | I thought they had simply gone mad... | Dec 05 02:47 |
| _goblin | i saw one of the old faithful linking to it on their twitter... | Dec 05 02:47 |
| _goblin | well theres one thing.... | Dec 05 02:47 |
| _goblin | with both me and you visiting the site, we've doubled their hit count for the day. | Dec 05 02:47 |
| _goblin | its funny when looking at the associated twitter accounts.... | Dec 05 02:48 |
| _goblin | not one of them can get more than 18 followers.... | Dec 05 02:48 |
| _goblin | and those followers are mostly nothing to do with IT. | Dec 05 02:48 |
| ender2070 | lol doubled their hit count for the day | Dec 05 02:48 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Dec 05 02:48 |
| _goblin | I once saw one of them proud because they had 700 hits in a week.... | Dec 05 02:49 |
| _goblin | I get that in a day and BN probably gets that in an hour. | Dec 05 02:49 |
| ender2070 | exactly | Dec 05 02:49 |
| ender2070 | BN probably gets that on a slow day too | Dec 05 02:50 |
| _goblin | and I don't think those old faithful blogs count UIP's they only count hits...so if you go back to check the site it will count you again. | Dec 05 02:50 |
| _goblin | I check some of those 50 times a day (they need supervision) and I would bet every time is recorded as a new "read" | Dec 05 02:51 |
| ender2070 | yeah for sure | Dec 05 02:52 |
| ender2070 | i love how bbn requires a few weeks of votes to get the results it does on its polls | Dec 05 02:52 |
| _goblin | I bet most of them are simply one or two users....and a few kids from Linxxx | Dec 05 02:53 |
| ender2070 | you would expect the voter turnout to get higher as the site gets more popular | Dec 05 02:53 |
| _goblin | but really their site means nothing to anyone.....except for those linsxx people who know what its purpose is... | Dec 05 02:53 |
| _goblin | I can imagine a user coming across that and thinking.....What the hell? | Dec 05 02:54 |
| ender2070 | yeah I agree, it only has meaning to those few people who check it daily | Dec 05 02:54 |
| ender2070 | as soon as something gets posted they all jerk each other off with retweets | Dec 05 02:54 |
| _goblin | mind you, take it as a compliment....your obviously doing something right.... | Dec 05 02:54 |
| ender2070 | normally I get mad when he posts stuff about me | Dec 05 02:55 |
| ender2070 | I couldn't stop laughing this time | Dec 05 02:55 |
| cubezzz | bah, just say "Can you recompile your kernel in windows?" | Dec 05 02:56 |
| cubezzz | that's the KO punch | Dec 05 02:57 |
| ender2070 | lol | Dec 05 02:57 |
| schestowitz | [02:40] <ender2070> schestowitz - did you see what was written about me | Dec 05 02:59 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Dec 05 02:59 |
| _goblin | bbn | Dec 05 02:59 |
| ender2070 | apparently i linked reptilians to microsoft | Dec 05 03:00 |
| ender2070 | rofl | Dec 05 03:00 |
| ender2070 | someones quote farming software doesnt pick out context, lol | Dec 05 03:00 |
| schestowitz | IF someone doesn't get humour, then I can recommend a mental institution | Dec 05 03:02 |
| ender2070 | :D | Dec 05 03:04 |
| cubezzz | well got the acer aspire 5534 | Dec 05 03:13 |
| cubezzz | looks ok | Dec 05 03:13 |
| schestowitz | What w/? | Dec 05 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Ballmware? | Dec 05 03:14 |
| cubezzz | ugh, it's got windows 7 on it, yeah | Dec 05 03:14 |
| cubezzz | it's not for me | Dec 05 03:14 |
| cubezzz | customer | Dec 05 03:15 |
| cubezzz | I'll put Fedora 11 on there and do the dual boot thing | Dec 05 03:15 |
| cubezzz | windows 7 looks awful to me | Dec 05 03:16 |
| cubezzz | I guess it's home edition | Dec 05 03:16 |
| schestowitz | Probably Starter | Dec 05 03:17 |
| schestowitz | Crippleware | Dec 05 03:17 |
| schestowitz | Acer complained about it | Dec 05 03:17 |
| fewa | cant change the desktop wallpaper | Dec 05 03:17 |
| cubezzz | it had macaffee and norton and some ebay thing on it | Dec 05 03:17 |
| schestowitz | "Acer and Intel, for example, are already complaining that Windows 7 Starter Edition simply won't sell." http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/archives/2009/05/is_microsoft_he.html | Dec 05 03:17 |
| fewa | for example | Dec 05 03:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is Microsoft Headed For A Netbook Train Wreck? | bMighty.com: Blogs For Small Business and Mid-Sized Business .::. Size~: 76.41 KB | Dec 05 03:17 |
| cubezzz | it's just blah | Dec 05 03:17 |
| fewa | fucking joke | Dec 05 03:17 |
| schestowitz | Does it have the fish wallpaper? | Dec 05 03:18 |
| schestowitz | Silverfish? | Dec 05 03:18 |
| fewa | no | Dec 05 03:18 |
| fewa | its a big windows logo | Dec 05 03:18 |
| cubezzz | probably a lot of people will buy the low end laptop and put Linux on | Dec 05 03:18 |
| fewa | killing themselves as fast as possible | Dec 05 03:18 |
| fewa | seriously | Dec 05 03:18 |
| fewa | customization matters | Dec 05 03:18 |
| fewa | if users cant customize they lose any sort of homyness real quick | Dec 05 03:18 |
| fewa | and most users understand changing the desktop wallpaper | Dec 05 03:19 |
| fewa | MS understood it 15 years ago with win 95 | Dec 05 03:19 |
| cubezzz | I don't think win95 had a starter edition | Dec 05 03:19 |
| ender2070 | win3.x had changable wallpaper | Dec 05 03:19 |
| fewa | it has *1* edition | Dec 05 03:19 |
| fewa | *had | Dec 05 03:19 |
| fewa | ender2070, its a important feature | Dec 05 03:20 |
| cubezzz | I just hate using doze | Dec 05 03:20 |
| cubezzz | been saying that for over 20 years :-/ | Dec 05 03:20 |
| ender2070 | :) | Dec 05 03:20 |
| fewa | idiotic to remove it in a feeble attempt segment their market | Dec 05 03:21 |
| ender2070 | yes | Dec 05 03:21 |
| ender2070 | people can get a free os without crippleware features | Dec 05 03:21 |
| fewa | seriously how does the person that coded that sleep at night? | Dec 05 03:21 |
| fewa | the person who's job it was to genericize the OS | Dec 05 03:22 |
| ender2070 | fewa - he sleeps well on his sack of cash | Dec 05 03:22 |
| fewa | to enforce blandness | Dec 05 03:22 |
| fewa | but its such a henious crime | Dec 05 03:22 |
| cubezzz | "Make it crappier" "Yes sir Ballmer Sir!" | Dec 05 03:22 |
| fewa | much woorse than other DRM | Dec 05 03:22 |
| fewa | its about removing asthetics | Dec 05 03:22 |
| fewa | not just making it less useful | Dec 05 03:22 |
| ender2070 | its gotta be those reptilians | Dec 05 03:23 |
| cubezzz | Watch out for the Sleestaks! | Dec 05 03:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Scarcity vs #Abundance : #Microsoft and #Copyright #Cartel vs the World http://ur1.ca/h5mf | Dec 05 03:26 | |
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| schestowitz | Photo of Ballmer and idol | Dec 05 03:26 |
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| schestowitz | daemon should see this: http://www.benkevan.com/blog/comcast-question-and-missing-answer/ | Dec 05 03:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Comcast Question and Missing Answer | Ben Kevan's Blog .::. Size~: 47.48 KB | Dec 05 03:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2009-11.html#30 | Dec 05 03:54 |
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| schestowitz | "I got a netbook, a cute little HP Mini, so that I can hack Moblin on it. The netbook comes with Windows 7. My first impression:" | Dec 05 03:55 |
| schestowitz | 'Maybe we should change free software's slogan to "we are not a constant pain in the ass, and we don't consider you a criminal".' | Dec 05 03:55 |
| ender2070 | lol | Dec 05 04:00 |
| ender2070 | norton scares me | Dec 05 04:00 |
| ender2070 | this is interesting | Dec 05 04:10 |
| ender2070 | http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/zfs_dedup | Dec 05 04:10 |
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| ender2070 | basicly if you have 30 copies of the exact same file, it stores 1 copy and makes 30 references | Dec 05 04:10 |
| fewa | ummm | Dec 05 04:11 |
| fewa | I think you just defined a hard link | Dec 05 04:11 |
| fewa | its existed for 30+ years | Dec 05 04:11 |
| ender2070 | sort of | Dec 05 04:11 |
| ender2070 | this works on a block level | Dec 05 04:11 |
| fewa | ln foo bar | Dec 05 04:11 |
| fewa | so does hard links | Dec 05 04:11 |
| ender2070 | this will work if you have identical data in a vm that might also exist on the system | Dec 05 04:12 |
| fewa | it just points to the same thing | Dec 05 04:12 |
| ender2070 | perhaps | Dec 05 04:12 |
| fewa | aha, vserver has had that for a long time | Dec 05 04:12 |
| fewa | halled vhashify | Dec 05 04:12 |
| fewa | never used it but it looked cool | Dec 05 04:13 |
| ender2070 | they've just done it via the filesystem level | Dec 05 04:13 |
| fewa | and would break the hard links copy on write style | Dec 05 04:13 |
| ender2070 | and use sha256 to hash | Dec 05 04:13 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.reblochon.org/2009/12/mono-devroom-fosdem-2010.html | Dec 05 04:13 |
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| fewa | and it is independant of the filesystem | Dec 05 04:13 |
| fewa | so its portable | Dec 05 04:13 |
| fewa | ender2070, so basically this is just another example of why ZFS is not a filesystem, but is a giant bloated, non-UNIX-like piece of software? | Dec 05 04:14 |
| fewa | and licenced incompatible to the GPL | Dec 05 04:14 |
| ender2070 | its easy to use, and its still open source | Dec 05 04:15 |
| ender2070 | I am looking into replacing my zfs system with btrfs once its safe for mission critical data | Dec 05 04:15 |
| fewa | then dont use lock-in features | Dec 05 04:17 |
| ender2070 | dedup? | Dec 05 04:18 |
| ender2070 | i cant see it having considered "lock-in" | Dec 05 04:19 |
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| ender2070 | ill always be able to move my files elsewhere | Dec 05 04:25 |
| ender2070 | a filesystem has to provide that, or its not a filesystem | Dec 05 04:25 |
| ender2070 | regardless of its features | Dec 05 04:25 |
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| cubezzz | ok, time for my favourite part of the job | Dec 05 05:09 |
| cubezzz | putting Linux on a new laptop | Dec 05 05:09 |
| cubezzz | well already IE locked up | Dec 05 05:23 |
| cubezzz | ... | Dec 05 05:23 |
| cubezzz | actually it's windows 7 Home premium whatever that means | Dec 05 05:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT@fish_pond Corporations Out of My Hair! or ‘Mairay Pochchu!’ http://bit.ly/7DUJxf #thefishpond | Dec 05 05:31 | |
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| cubezzz | now we'll see if windows 7 and fedora 11 play nice with each other | Dec 05 05:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @fish_pond Corporations Out of My Hair! or ‘Mairay Pochchu!’ by Satyasagar http://bit.ly/7DUJxf #thefishpond | Dec 05 05:32 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Corporations Out of My Hair! or ‘Mairay Pochchu!’ | The Fish Pond .::. Size~: 71.63 KB | Dec 05 05:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Cell phones don't cause cancer, still make you a #douchebag http://ur1.ca/h5r6 #science | Dec 05 05:36 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Secret behind the composition of the varnish on Stradivari violins revealed http://ur1.ca/h5r7 #science | Dec 05 05:36 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Blackwater founder #ErikPrince is a #CIA spy, unfortunate implications http://ur1.ca/h5r8 #politics | Dec 05 05:41 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #CableCard is failure, #douchebag tag is for cable companies http://ur1.ca/h5ra | Dec 05 05:46 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Hell freezes over, the FCC admits that CableCARD is a failure -- Engadget HD .::. Size~: 225.35 KB | Dec 05 05:46 |
| cubezzz | not sure how good this Athlon Neo TF-20 cpu will be | Dec 05 05:47 |
| cubezzz | well Stradivari must have been pretty amazing | Dec 05 05:49 |
| cubezzz | people have been bragging about him for centuries | Dec 05 05:49 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Police steal money, news at 11 http://ur1.ca/h5rd #policestate #douchebags | Dec 05 05:51 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #UPS holds up delivery of #Apple because they think its a fruit, #FDA has better things to do http://ur1.ca/h5re #douchebag | Dec 05 05:51 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #FCC approves of senate bill banning early termination fees http://ur1.ca/h5rg #hero | Dec 05 05:51 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Larrabee is a complete failure, #Intel going under http://ur1.ca/h5rj | Dec 05 05:56 | |
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| ender2070 | I was liking larabee | Dec 05 05:59 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The head of the school who hates SETI@Home will probably be fired http://ur1.ca/h5rq http://ur1.ca/h5rr | Dec 05 06:06 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #BigMedia sucks, news at 11 http://ur1.ca/h5rs | Dec 05 06:06 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Oh God, what http://ur1.ca/h5rv #JamesLipton | Dec 05 06:06 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The sounds of Jupiter http://ur1.ca/h5s3 #science | Dec 05 06:11 | |
| cubezzz | my video perf really sucks | Dec 05 06:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I planning to commit suicide after reading a little about the history of the #Reddit social bookmarking website. | Dec 05 06:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Planning to commit suicide after reading a little about the history of the Reddit social bookmarking website. | Dec 05 06:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Planning to commit suicide after reading a little about the history of the #Reddit social bookmarking website. | Dec 05 06:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] on the final day of 208km padayatra. Against corporate invasion of orissa coast, tracked routes with the help of scm and stjosephs students | Dec 05 06:41 | |
| ender2070 | ahh | Dec 05 06:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Nearly 1700 ppl in footmarch. Avg time to cross a point for 6 line yatra is 16 mins. Avg walking speed now is 4.2km. #orissaresistance | Dec 05 06:57 | |
| ender2070 | http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/12dec/RIR-091201.php | Dec 05 07:01 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] More updates on padayatra is at @orissaconcerns follow that | Dec 05 07:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Medha patkar and bd shrma joined in 208km padayatra from paradip to puri against corporate invasion of orissa coast | Dec 05 07:14 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] " மயிரே போச்சு " #hilarious yet #thoughtful http://thefishpond.in/satya/2009/mairay-pochchu/ #POSCO | Dec 05 07:16 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Corporations Out of My Hair! or ‘Mairay Pochchu!’ | The Fish Pond .::. Size~: 71.63 KB | Dec 05 07:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] For the first time 14 peoples movements joined for this padaytra . A lot of small jathas are joing with the main rally : ppl count 5000+ | Dec 05 07:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] posco is aquiring over 4004 acre land for steel plant and port | Dec 05 07:25 | |
| cubezzz | well windows 7 is munged | Dec 05 08:29 |
| cubezzz | does not co-exist with fedora 11 on this machine | Dec 05 08:29 |
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| cubezzz | got to fart around with the partition flags... | Dec 05 09:01 |
| cubezzz | gparted to the rescue (I hope) | Dec 05 09:02 |
| cubezzz | here goes... | Dec 05 09:02 |
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| cubezzz | damn it I can't fix the windows 7 crap | Dec 05 09:03 |
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| cubezzz | I don't think I want windows 7 on here | Dec 05 09:30 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Democracy for America and Credo Mobile want to free America from Teleco #terrorism with cheap plans http://ur1.ca/h5xs | Dec 05 09:46 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 05 10:05 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: are you there? | Dec 05 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 05 10:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] voted in Fedora { Board, Engineering SteeringCommittee (FESCo), Ambassadors Steering Committee (FAmSCo) } elections http://bit.ly/5LwJEr :D | Dec 05 11:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM and #Google Use #VirtualBridge to Promote Desktop #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/h60n | Dec 05 11:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Powers Laptop #Orchestra http://ur1.ca/h60p | Dec 05 11:21 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Entertainment Story | Introducing L2Ork, World's First Linux Laptop Orchestra .::. Size~: 142.9 KB | Dec 05 11:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company Turns Obsolete PCs to Functional #GNU #Linux Desktops http://linux.bihlman.com/2009/12/03/recycle-old-desktop-pcs-with-linux/ | Dec 05 11:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Seven inventors you didn't know you wanted to punch in the face http://is.gd/5d61g RAAAAAAGE | Dec 05 11:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Closer Look at #Google 's #Android OS and #ChromeOS http://ur1.ca/h60r http://ur1.ca/h60s http://ur1.ca/h60s | Dec 05 11:24 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: A close look at the Android OS .::. Size~: 37.6 KB | Dec 05 11:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Look at Pertinent Improvements in #Linux 2.6.32 http://ur1.ca/h60t | Dec 05 11:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Kernel 2.6.32 Improves the Btrfs Filesystem - ACPI 4.0 support also present - Softpedia .::. Size~: 52.74 KB | Dec 05 11:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of #GNU #Linux Applications for #Guitar Enthusiasts http://maketecheasier.com/5-essential-linux-apps-for-guitarists/2009/12/03 | Dec 05 11:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Top Distributions and #Mandriva Recommendation http://ur1.ca/h60z http://ur1.ca/h610 | Dec 05 11:31 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Top 7 Must See Linux Distributions | REVIEWGLITZ .::. Size~: 41.41 KB | Dec 05 11:31 |
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| fewa | http://notnews.today.com/2009/11/20/european-union-renamed-greater-belgium/ | Dec 05 11:31 |
| fewa | lol | Dec 05 11:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #digiKam 1.0 Imminent, #KDE Raises Funds http://ur1.ca/h611 http://ur1.ca/h612 http://ur1.ca/h613 | Dec 05 11:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Interview with #Knoppix Founder http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/knoppix-founder-klaus-knopper-speaks/ #debian | Dec 05 11:33 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: have u published anything about Jordan lately? | Dec 05 11:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Elections Deadline is Near http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2901 #redhat | Dec 05 11:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Called "Best Ubuntu Till Now" http://ur1.ca/h61i http://ur1.ca/h61j | Dec 05 11:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tesco Sells Dual-boot PCs (with #Linux ) http://ur1.ca/h61l|1||P_SORT_Price&btnResultSort.x=29&btnResultSort.y=10 | Dec 05 11:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Ships #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks Despite "Slog" Against It http://ur1.ca/h61n | Dec 05 11:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free/Libre Privacy Software Tools Surveyed http://ur1.ca/h61p | Dec 05 11:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Forbes Russia Chooses #FreeSoftware for #CMS , Databases, Operating System http://buytaert.net/forbes-russia-using-drupal | Dec 05 11:45 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, hold on... | Dec 05 11:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government in #Italy Continues March Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/h61v | Dec 05 11:46 | |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat stories and visit from Microsoft | Dec 05 11:47 |
| schestowitz | It's in BN... covered to a greater or lesser extent | Dec 05 11:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF #GNU Still Striving for #Freedom , Not Just Digital http://www.fsf.org/appeal/2009/freedom-is-the-goal | Dec 05 11:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Musicians Inspired by the #FreeSoftware Model http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1282 | Dec 05 11:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fight Against #IntellectualMonopolies Intensifies in the UK, Lily Allen Runs Away http://ur1.ca/h626 http://ur1.ca/h627 | Dec 05 12:00 | |
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| schestowitz | http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/12/03/hold-on-40-minutes-while-i-bing-that/ | Dec 05 12:28 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.macworld.com/article/144782/2009/12/apple_lala.html | Dec 05 12:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple reportedly buys Lala music service | Entertainment & HDTV | Playlist | Macworld .::. Size~: 57.8 KB | Dec 05 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | great, another good service ruined by a giant monopoly | Dec 05 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: remember Hotmail only allowing 10 megs of storage unless you paid them $5 a month? | Dec 05 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | That went on until Gmail got popular, now I have like 5 gigs in my Hotmail box | Dec 05 12:38 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, did you watch that Lou Dobbs interview? | Dec 05 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | no | Dec 05 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care about Lou Dobbs | Dec 05 12:39 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/4/fact_checking_dobbs_cnn_anchor_lou | Dec 05 12:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fact-Checking Dobbs: CNN Anchor Lou Dobbs Challenged on Immigration Issues .::. Size~: 93.8 KB | Dec 05 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | he might be right about illegal immigration, but some of the conspiracy theories he promoted destroyed his credibility | Dec 05 12:40 |
| fewa | he discuss that specific issue | Dec 05 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think Lou Dobbs is a liberal plot | Dec 05 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | he's a strawman | Dec 05 12:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: have you heard the latest news? | Dec 05 12:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: google will start giving publishers to restrict free access to their websites. | Dec 05 12:49 |
| cubezzz | hmmm? | Dec 05 12:50 |
| Omar87 | giving publishers *the ability* to restrict.. | Dec 05 12:50 |
| cubezzz | some servers lock out people from other countries | Dec 05 12:51 |
| cubezzz | youtube send me an email about running ads on my youtube videos | Dec 05 12:51 |
| cubezzz | I didn't bother with it | Dec 05 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it won't help publishers | Dec 05 12:52 |
| Omar87 | For example, website owners can start restricting the daily number of clicks on their Google search results by an individual per day to a certain number of clicks (e.g.: Five) | Dec 05 12:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I know. | Dec 05 12:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: but it would, in fact harm web openness. | Dec 05 12:52 |
| cubezzz | well, I really hate windows 7 as it turns out, no surprise | Dec 05 12:54 |
| cubezzz | still trying to get Fedora and Windows 7 to co-exist on the same drive | Dec 05 12:54 |
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| cubezzz | maybe I can repair this munged up install | Dec 05 12:57 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: lol | Dec 05 12:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: wouldn't it, Roy? | Dec 05 12:59 |
| fewa | why dont you uninstall in cubezzz ? | Dec 05 12:59 |
| cubezzz | fewa, my customer wants duo boot | Dec 05 13:00 |
| fewa | <Omar87> giving publishers *the ability* to restrict.. | Dec 05 13:00 |
| cubezzz | as in windows 7 and Fedora 11 | Dec 05 13:00 |
| trmanco | http://www.pcworld.com/article/183770/bings_30minute_outage_a_sally_field_moment.html | Dec 05 13:00 |
| fewa | Omar87, its called robots.txt | Dec 05 13:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bing's 30-Minute Outage: A Sally Field Moment? - PC World .::. Size~: 81.25 KB | Dec 05 13:00 |
| fewa | Omar87, or requiring a name and password | Dec 05 13:00 |
| fewa | Omar87, its existed from the beginning | Dec 05 13:00 |
| Omar87 | fewa: no | Dec 05 13:00 |
| fewa | they want to have their cake and eat it too | Dec 05 13:00 |
| fewa | (in terms of access) | Dec 05 13:01 |
| Omar87 | fewa: it will start to require you either pay the fees of your visits or signup -which is very unlikely to be free- | Dec 05 13:01 |
| fewa | Omar87, WSJ already does that | Dec 05 13:01 |
| fewa | they have for years | Dec 05 13:01 |
| fewa | many newspapers charge for their article | Dec 05 13:02 |
| fewa | *archives | Dec 05 13:02 |
| fewa | its a joke | Dec 05 13:02 |
| fewa | newspapers have had the liberty to set such a scheme up for eyars | Dec 05 13:02 |
| fewa | they havn't because they no better | Dec 05 13:03 |
| fewa | so ignore their whining | Dec 05 13:03 |
| fewa | correction: ignore their illogical whining | Dec 05 13:03 |
| cubezzz | downloading windows 7 repair disc, barrrrrfff | Dec 05 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, an attack on freedom of information | Dec 05 13:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE in London, #Nürnberg; Infrastructure Repositories Migration http://bit.ly/8bWtEb | Dec 05 13:32 | |
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| DaemonFC | that horrible telemarketing group "Indiana Troopers Association" filed bankruptcy finally | Dec 05 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | they were illegally calling my phone every day for weeks back in 2005 | Dec 05 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | I finally got the name of their supervisor and called her at 3 AM one night | Dec 05 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Troopers... | Dec 05 13:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.benkevan.com/blog/comcast-question-and-missing-answer/ | Dec 05 13:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Comcast Question and Missing Answer | Ben Kevan's Blog .::. Size~: 47.48 KB | Dec 05 13:54 |
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| cubezzz | ah, finally | Dec 05 14:07 |
| cubezzz | what a pain | Dec 05 14:07 |
| schestowitz | What happened? | Dec 05 14:07 |
| cubezzz | windows 7 was effected by fedora 11 somehow | Dec 05 14:07 |
| cubezzz | it got stuck in at endless loop | Dec 05 14:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: do you have any articles about Free Software in Venezuela? | Dec 05 14:09 |
| cubezzz | I'm not even sure if Fedora will still boot after repairing doze | Dec 05 14:10 |
| cubezzz | this is the last time I attempt this | Dec 05 14:11 |
| cubezzz | I don't understand the windows 7 startup process | Dec 05 14:12 |
| cubezzz | don't really want to either, but it's part of the job | Dec 05 14:13 |
| cubezzz | Fedora/XP combo was much simpler | Dec 05 14:14 |
| cubezzz | next customer who asks for dual boot windows 7/Linux must pay $$$ | Dec 05 14:17 |
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| cubezzz | ok, now the $64,000 question, will this boot into Fedora | Dec 05 14:19 |
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| DaemonFC | watching "World's Strictest Parents" | Dec 05 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | they just gave these kids like 50 push ups, first thought I had was "fuck you!" | Dec 05 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Dec 05 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | "Get over here and make me why don't you?" | Dec 05 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | that would be my response | Dec 05 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | oh nuts, it's snowing | Dec 05 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | damn it | Dec 05 14:24 |
| trmanco | 531 messages do be filtered :| | Dec 05 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | These teenage girls that live next to my mom and their friends all got one of those virtual baby things as a project in Health class | Dec 05 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | it has sensors in it to record how well you take care of it | Dec 05 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | one of them looked at me and said "There's no way a real baby is this hard" | Dec 05 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | I just kind of had to roll me eyes and say "Never had one, have you?" | Dec 05 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | *my | Dec 05 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | "Wait until you have a job to go to and it won't stop crying all night and you're really paying that much money for diapers and formula" | Dec 05 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | I can definitely see how a mother could snap cause of one of those things | Dec 05 14:28 |
| MinceR | perhaps it's time to stop making them, then | Dec 05 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | you would think | Dec 05 14:31 |
| Omar87 | Hey guys listen to this: | Dec 05 14:39 |
| Omar87 | A couple hours ago, I commented on a MS/Yahoo-relatied post which my friend had shared on FB, and then came another friend of her's (A pathetic MS employee) and started yapping like a kid about the features of Bing, and here's what he said: http://pastebin.com/m3e1244b7 | Dec 05 14:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool .::. Size~: 13.58 KB | Dec 05 14:42 |
| Omar87 | A small question: Does that sound anywhere like a comment for a respected corporate person? | Dec 05 14:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Can you tell what takes this outfit off my "hot" list? http://7.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktszy1NqMZ1qapm5ko1_500.jpg | Dec 05 14:44 | |
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| Omar87 | As for myself, it sounds pretty much more like a 5-year-old kid | Dec 05 14:46 |
| *cubezzz shrugs | Dec 05 14:46 | |
| Omar87 | like a five years old kid watching Tom and Jerry. | Dec 05 14:47 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: what do you think? | Dec 05 14:47 |
| cubezzz | doze killed fedora... blah | Dec 05 14:47 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: huh? | Dec 05 14:48 |
| cubezzz | I can't dual boot | Dec 05 14:48 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: aha, I see. | Dec 05 14:48 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: do you really need Windows? | Dec 05 14:48 |
| cubezzz | me? no | Dec 05 14:49 |
| cubezzz | the customer wants dual boot | Dec 05 14:49 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: and more specifically: Do you really need Windows 7? | Dec 05 14:49 |
| Omar87 | Oh, I see. | Dec 05 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:schestowitz.com+Venezuela&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Dec 05 15:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: site:schestowitz.com Venezuela - Google Search .::. Size~: 23.31 KB | Dec 05 15:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: did you read the Pastebin link I just posted? | Dec 05 15:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: what do you think of this guy? Though, I'm not gonna ask you what do you think of Bing, 'coz there's not much to discuss about it. But what do think of his attitude? | Dec 05 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: blech | Dec 05 15:02 |
| Omar87 | what do *you* thnk.. | Dec 05 15:02 |
| schestowitz | It's looks like a joke | Dec 05 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Hypnotised masses | Dec 05 15:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: nah, it's not. | Dec 05 15:02 |
| schestowitz | "Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" --MCBush | Dec 05 15:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: he's a typical MS emplyee[slave]. | Dec 05 15:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I already gave a handful of articles about GNU/Linux adoption stories (including the one in Jordan of course). | Dec 05 15:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Though I don't think it will affect him, He just seems to have been drinking the MS kool-aide waaaaay too much.. | Dec 05 15:08 |
| Omar87 | That ain't no surprise, though. | Dec 05 15:08 |
| Omar87 | 'coz just like RMS once said: "Idiots can be defeated but they just never admit it." :-) | Dec 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, I heard similar stories | Dec 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft employees live in delusions | Dec 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They think Microsoft gains online | Dec 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | It's not | Dec 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They are being lied to | Dec 05 15:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: though one thnig that makes me a bit worried is Bing's integratin with Wikipedia. | Dec 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Cause Microsoft need to elevate their morale | Dec 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They are just lied to, don't waste time on ot | Dec 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | *it | Dec 05 15:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: True. | Dec 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia is independent | Dec 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like the tick trying to suck away a cow | Dec 05 15:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I just enjoy making them look like losers, lol. :-P | Dec 05 15:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah man. :D | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Tell him about Bong... | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Tell him you tried using it | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | And that it was down | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | And you tried 40 minutes later | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | And the server was stll down | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Must be Patch Thursday for Bong | Dec 05 15:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: did that really happen? | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | And the code monkey couldn't figure out how to reboot that Wintendo box | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Nobody noticed anyway | Dec 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Just Microsoft employee (they are forced to use it) | Dec 05 15:13 |
| schestowitz | *ees | Dec 05 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: http://www.pcworld.com/article/183770/bings_30minute_outage_a_sally_field_moment.html | Dec 05 15:13 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: too bad the author of the article is an MS pony. | Dec 05 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, BN has an article about it | Dec 05 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/04/bing-crashes-and-google-dns/ | Dec 05 15:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Keeps Drowning, Reveal Financial Results http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/05/novell-bad-results-2009/ | Dec 05 15:53 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: Bing doesn't have 8%. It's Microsoft propaganda and US-only. It has 3% internationally. | Dec 05 16:02 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft folks love to carry on the illusions and lies | Dec 05 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Motorola invests in natural interfaces http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1564944/motorola-invests-natural-interfaces | Dec 05 16:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] If MS back ACTA, and Bing allows you to find torrents, does that mean Bing are open to being punished? | Dec 05 16:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I don't often find myself in agreement with Brown http://tinyurl.com/ya87al9 | Dec 05 16:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] just survived homebase. send donuts. mm, donuts. Off to feed @nyecamden in an hour or so. | Dec 05 16:48 | |
| trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc3NQ | Dec 05 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Dec 05 16:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] My TODO list is getting big :-) | Dec 05 17:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | I just read my life insurance policy | Dec 05 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm worth $250,000 dead | Dec 05 17:28 |
| zer0c00l | Migueldeicaza responds http://identi.ca/notice/16132138 | Dec 05 17:35 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] just reserved an epilator at a*gos. it is possible I may in fact be a huge great poof. | Dec 05 17:35 | |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: ^^ | Dec 05 17:35 |
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| ender2070 | reptilians! | Dec 05 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'm past the two year suicide exemption on this thing | Dec 05 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I should off myself and give my family and a couple charities the payout | Dec 05 18:08 |
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| ender2070 | maybe the repiltians want that | Dec 05 18:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] :-D 1-1 whoohoo | Dec 05 18:14 | |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I'll make out my note to the reptilians | Dec 05 18:15 |
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| DaemonFC | that ought to fuck with the people that find the body | Dec 05 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.workswithu.com/2009/12/04/new-application-stack-in-ubuntu-10-04/ | Dec 05 18:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Application Stack in Ubuntu 10.04 | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 55.6 KB | Dec 05 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | interesting comments | Dec 05 18:16 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Dec 05 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: @ what? | Dec 05 18:18 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc & reptilians | Dec 05 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | the reptilians made me do it | Dec 05 18:26 |
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| ender2070 | those same reptilians work for microsoft! | Dec 05 18:43 |
| ender2070 | omgz, they are eating my brain | Dec 05 18:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] :-D whoohoo City 2-1 up on Chelsea | Dec 05 18:52 | |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 05 19:15 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: yeah, Microsoft is responsible in 9/11 and Pearl Harbor too | Dec 05 19:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Another Saturday evening with me and Sopie on the sofa watching dancing. Her with hot choc, me with red wine. Happy. #fb | Dec 05 19:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is ruining Yahoo!'s management and steals its users | Dec 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | What utter disgrace | Dec 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | It's like a mafia | Dec 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is dumping in South America now | Dec 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | It must be cause FOSS grew there | Dec 05 19:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] OMG Jarre used on strictly in a segment between dances. From Revolutions iirc. brings back memories of docklands concert #fb | Dec 05 19:52 | |
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| trmanco | can somebody highlight me? | Dec 05 20:08 |
| trmanco | just for a test | Dec 05 20:08 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: have you tried the ayatana notifications? | Dec 05 20:13 |
| MinceR | trmanco: hilight | Dec 05 20:14 |
| trmanco | thanks | Dec 05 20:14 |
| trmanco | it works | Dec 05 20:14 |
| MinceR | np | Dec 05 20:15 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: is if not GNOMEish? | Dec 05 20:19 |
| schestowitz | *it | Dec 05 20:19 |
| trmanco | yes it's GNomeISH | Dec 05 20:19 |
| trmanco | I'm going back to the kde one now | Dec 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | OK, so since I rarely use GNOME, I have not | Dec 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Novell has a lot of impact in GNOME | Dec 05 20:20 |
| trmanco | it looks like gnome's notification system | Dec 05 20:20 |
| trmanco | but more sleek | Dec 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Novell is trouble...... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/05/novell-bad-results-2009/#comments | Dec 05 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Analyst Says Google Phone with Google Voice Is Coming in 2010 | Dec 05 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://ec.europa.eu/commission_designate_2009-2014/index_en.htm | Dec 05 21:20 |
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| imaginativeone | hey everyone... | Dec 05 21:40 |
| imaginativeone | ...and I was SO getting monotouch... | Dec 05 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 05 21:58 |
| schestowitz | MonoTouch is proprietary, for Apple customers | Dec 05 21:58 |
| schestowitz | It's Novell's gift to Microsoft | Dec 05 21:59 |
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| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/05/1511258/Accidental-Download-Sending-22-Year-Old-Man-To-Prison?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Dec 05 22:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | "Accidental" Download Sending 22-Year-Old Man To Prison .::. Size~: 179.85 KB | Dec 05 22:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A direct line to marketing hell | Simon Davies | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/ybeat4t | Dec 05 22:05 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: a teacher nearly went to jail and her life ruined for similar reasons. She used a PC with Windows and malware | Dec 05 22:19 |
| schestowitz | !google teacher malware porn | Dec 05 22:19 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Education World ® Technology Center: Nancy Willard: Cyber Savvy ... | http://www.education-world.com/a_tech/columnists/willard/willard005.shtml | Dec 05 22:19 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Woman Loses Teaching License Due to Porn Malware - Network ... | http://www.daniweb.com/news/story219946.html | Dec 05 22:19 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - malware news on CNET | http://www.cnet.com/topic-news/malware.html | Dec 05 22:19 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Sacked worker blames porn on malware - ZDNet.co.uk | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39289789,00.htm | Dec 05 22:19 |
| MinceR | she used a pc with windows and other malware in an extremely fascistic country | Dec 05 22:19 |
| schestowitz | FB-KGB | Dec 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | it's very doubtful that paedophiles even use p2p software | Dec 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | There were similar stories of people whose computers was hijacked and contained all sorts of crap they didn't put there | Dec 05 22:21 |
| schestowitz | You could pay some people in a dodgy country to infect and frame someone, to put him/her in jail | Dec 05 22:21 |
| schestowitz | You could, for instance, push some illegal stuff into Obama's PC to have him impeached | Dec 05 22:22 |
| schestowitz | But I doubt he uses Windows (easy pickings) | Dec 05 22:22 |
| MinceR | he probably uses some crap like windows or osx | Dec 05 22:22 |
| schestowitz | If more people knew that merely every Windows box is as easy to grab as it is to get its IP address given some friendly ISP or telecom snoops (which Republicans have access toi) | Dec 05 22:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Na... he uses Ubuntu.. | Dec 05 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Humanity for Banksters | Dec 05 22:23 |
| MinceR | do you really know he uses ubuntu? | Dec 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2009/12/2/technology/20091202195037&sec=technology | Dec 05 22:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Yasmin Mahmood leaves Microsoft Malaysia .::. Size~: 35.37 KB | Dec 05 22:29 |
| schestowitz | \0/ | Dec 05 22:29 |
| schestowitz | The OOXML crook | Dec 05 22:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, I was joking | Dec 05 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Cause of the humanity for * joke | Dec 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 05 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Good expose of Microsoft coming | Dec 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow hopefully | Dec 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I got lots of material | Dec 05 22:30 |
| MinceR | but anyway, even if he'd be caught looking at child pr0n, he wouldn't be treated in the same way | Dec 05 22:30 |
| MinceR | rich, "important" person, the law doesn't apply to him | Dec 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure I agree | Dec 05 22:30 |
| MinceR | we wouldn't even find out | Dec 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | They caught some high people in it and they were shattered to pieces | Dec 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand why they'd even bother. It's perverse | Dec 05 22:31 |
| MinceR | probably the ones holding real power wanted it to go that way | Dec 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe like pot | Dec 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Illegalise due to class issues | Dec 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | No real explanation beyond that | Dec 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I never did drugs other than alcohol | Dec 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | And medical drugs like aspirin, obviously | Dec 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Alcohol is some very nasty drug | Dec 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It ruins some crucial organs | Dec 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It also makes people heavier | Dec 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Did you read about professor Nutt? | Dec 05 22:33 |
| schestowitz | !google nutt sacked | Dec 05 22:33 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Government drug adviser David Nutt sacked | Politics | guardian.co.uk | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sacked | Dec 05 22:33 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Chief drug adviser David Nutt sacked over cannabis stance ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/30/david-nutt-drugs-adviser-sacked | Dec 05 22:33 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Times Higher Education - Nutt sacked by Home Secretary | http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp%3Fstorycode%3D408884 | Dec 05 22:33 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - BBC - Mark Easton's UK: Why was David Nutt sacked? | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/11/why_was_david_nutt_sacked.html | Dec 05 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/magazine/16-02/ff_iphone?currentPage=1 | Dec 05 22:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Untold Story: How the iPhone Blew Up the Wireless Industry .::. Size~: 56.7 KB | Dec 05 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Or just "blew up" | Dec 05 22:35 |
| schestowitz | !google iphone blows up | Dec 05 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - EU's exploding-iPhone investigation heats up | Crave - CNET | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10312537-1.html | Dec 05 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - iPhone blows up while unlocking at DVinfo.net | http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/totem-poll-totally-off-topic-everything-media/102735-iphone-blows-up-while-unlocking.html | Dec 05 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Sparkz Projector Blows Up Tiny iPhone Movies - Asylum.com | http://www.asylum.com/2009/11/11/sparkz-projector-blows-up-tiny-iphone-movies/ | Dec 05 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Sparkz Projector Blows Up Tiny iPhone Movies - Watchmen, Jason ... | http://showhype.com/story/sparkz-projector-blows-up-tiny-iphone-movies/ | Dec 05 22:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 05 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I watched a good film last week about the notion of cults and how they are built around brands | Dec 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Apple was given as an example. People buy the products to belong to a lifestyle, much like a sect. It's perceived disillusion. | Dec 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw it now promoting iPhone: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/11/ilinguals-virtual-phrasebook-app-brings-us-closer-to-the-babel-fish/ | Dec 05 22:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Virtual iPhone Phrasebook Brings Us Closer to the Babel Fish | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 77.56 KB | Dec 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: You have to see this video.]" | Dec 05 22:40 |
| schestowitz | First she defended them from Psychostar, now this.... | Dec 05 22:40 |
| schestowitz | She ought to try and defend freedom, not Apple's Draconian EULA, IMHO | Dec 05 22:41 |
| MinceR | there are many more problems with crApple than just the eula | Dec 05 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/nov/30/royal-society-online-library-anniversary | Dec 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I know | Dec 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | But they have lots of money and lawyers | Dec 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw defending them rather than defending FSF and other small foundations in need doesn't make sense to me | Dec 05 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe worthy of links to throw around | Dec 05 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Others have made similar remarks BTW; the articles about this sure bring in the Apple worshippers | Dec 05 22:45 |
| schestowitz | But Groklaw should hopefully bring together FS and activist-lawyers who care about more than money.... | Dec 05 22:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no blog for you? | Dec 05 22:45 |
| MinceR | nope | Dec 05 22:46 |
| MinceR | i'm not a writer :) | Dec 05 22:46 |
| MinceR | also, i have no time | Dec 05 22:46 |
| schestowitz | http://code.google.com/android/adc/gallery_winners.html | Dec 05 22:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Android Developer Challenge .::. Size~: 25.83 KB | Dec 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Argh... | Dec 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Now s**tel is promote there. http://www.intel.com/healthcare/reader/ | Dec 05 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | It's frustrating that the same companies that commit crimes also use GNU software | Dec 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | http://government.zdnet.com/?p=6328&tag=content;col2 | Dec 05 22:48 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8383473.stm | Dec 05 22:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 86.25 KB | Dec 05 22:49 |
| schestowitz | "Florian Mueller, an early investor in MySQL" | Dec 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141607/What_if_Oracle_s_buyout_of_Sun_falls_through_?taxonomyId=9&pageNumber=1 | Dec 05 22:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What if Oracle's buyout of Sun falls through? .::. Size~: 145.75 KB | Dec 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Dec 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/12/01/back-to-buyout-biz-as-usual/ | Dec 05 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/12/02/after_apple_agreement_psystar_officially_halts_sales_of_clone_macs.html | Dec 05 22:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: AppleInsider | After Apple agreement, Psystar officially halts sales of clone Macs .::. Size~: 54.55 KB | Dec 05 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222000502 | Dec 05 23:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Black Screen Of Death Hits 50,000 PCs -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 86.17 KB | Dec 05 23:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thresq.com/2009/12/patent-movies-knowable-.html | Dec 05 23:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Can a science-fiction movie infringe a tech patent? --The Hollywood Reporter | Esq. | Entertainment and Media Law .::. Size~: 70.96 KB | Dec 05 23:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2009/12/disclosing-related-cases-at-the-federal-circuit-eli-lillys-written-description-secret.html | Dec 05 23:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Patent Law Blog (Patently-O): Disclosing “Related Cases” at the Federal Circuit: Eli Lilly’s Written Description “Secret” .::. Size~: 116.19 KB | Dec 05 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Meh. More iphone advertising in Groklaw... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/technology/05orchestra.html | Dec 05 23:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.69 KB | Dec 05 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/15-google-interview-questions-that-will-make-you-feel-stupid-2009-11/how-many-golf-balls-can-fit-in-a-school-bus-1 | Dec 05 23:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 15 Google Interview Questions That Will Make You Feel Stupid (GOOG) .::. Size~: 453.6 KB | Dec 05 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... the US population is less than 5% of the world's population.... "I am over 25 years old with a Bachelor’s degree which puts me with 27.4% of my nation’s most educated adults." http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/12/05/seeking/ | Dec 05 23:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Seeking the general population .::. Size~: 22.13 KB | Dec 05 23:26 |
| schestowitz | More of that 1% lie | Dec 05 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/google-crushes-etherpad/ "That is really a bad move. Google buys Etherpad just to close it down. I would argue that Etherpad is the best online tool I came across during the last 2 years. Why do they do that to me?" | Dec 05 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google crushes Etherpad « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 15.45 KB | Dec 05 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/mrdenticator | Dec 05 23:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mister Denticator (mrdenticator) - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 29.41 KB | Dec 05 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 76 dents!" | Dec 05 23:50 |
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