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| schestowitz | Re : http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/oracle_leader_blinks_rGFrd9IKqLWrTqG3ZCaTdO | Dec 06 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/12/04/ad-wars-droid-manly-iphone-girly/ | Dec 06 00:02 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello, anyone still up ? | Dec 06 00:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, I going post a link and a quote from it anyway, even though its either a M$ site, or a fanboi site. | Dec 06 00:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Microsoft Sets Stage for Netbook vs. Smartbook World http://reddevnews.com/articles/2009/06/05/microsoft-sets-stage-for-netbook-vs-smartbook.aspx | Dec 06 00:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Sets Stage for Netbook vs. Smartbook World -- Redmond Developer News .::. Size~: 52.2 KB | Dec 06 00:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote: "Developers working on CIDs can use "Microsoft technologies like Windows Embedded CE, Visual Studio, Silverlight and Expression Blend," Guggenheimer added. In addition, CIDs will be able to tap into Microsoft's Windows Live services, as well as Web services from other vendors." | Dec 06 00:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quote: "A New York Times story pegged the licensing costs of using Windows Embedded CE per device at "$3 to $15, depending on the volume." | Dec 06 00:39 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft has been collaborating with U.K.-based ARM for more than 10 years. However, the collaboration has been based on the Windows Embedded CE and Windows Mobile operating systems. When asked if Windows 7 might someday work with ARM processors, a Microsoft spokesperson said that the company had "no comment around any future investments in the ARM platform." | Dec 06 00:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My question is, if M$ is pushing "windows embedded CE" for ARM, isn't this an older version of Windows Moble? If so why is MS not bringing out Moble for ARM? | Dec 06 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Chips_B_Malroy | Dec 06 00:46 |
| *schestowitz catches up | Dec 06 00:46 | |
| schestowitz | That's a Microsoft shill site pretty much | Dec 06 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Like what Mac sites are to Apple | Dec 06 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: OK, I see now.... | Dec 06 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's not an article worth recommending to people, but it does show Microsoft is VERY afraid about margins | Dec 06 00:48 |
| schestowitz | It will try to kill ARMbooks rather than join them | Dec 06 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft breaks, it doesn't compete | Dec 06 00:48 |
| schestowitz | "We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger….If you’re going to kill someone, there isn’t much reason to get all worked up about it and angry. You just pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger." -Jim Allchin, Microsoft's Platform Group Vice President | Dec 06 00:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, thats why I posted it here | Dec 06 00:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least they posted some prices, and some of their thinking | Dec 06 00:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but I find it odd, that M$ pushes windows embedded CE on ARM rather than the newer Moble, which is supposed to also run on ARM | Dec 06 00:51 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft can't kill ARM | Dec 06 00:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cubezzz> I believe you are correct | Dec 06 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Good folks share their software. http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/knoppix-founder-klaus-knopper-speaks/ | Dec 06 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: suppress. | Dec 06 00:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just like Gates not seeing that the world wide web was important, and Ballmer not seeing Iphone as selling, ARM will be the next place MS will have to try to "catch up." | Dec 06 00:53 |
| schestowitz | .EXE and cross-architecture don't blend | Dec 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is running out of money and time | Dec 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Their CFO has quit | Dec 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | I have some posts coming tomorrow | Dec 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | It's getting sticky for Microsoft | Dec 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Their market share is now dumpware | Dec 06 00:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is no real money in ARM for MS | Dec 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They make 0% margin | Dec 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Just to keep afloat they devalue all their products, even Cash Cow #1, Office | Dec 06 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, student editon | Dec 06 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | where everyone is a student | Dec 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC exploits these | Dec 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | He takes his copy and puts it on ebay | Dec 06 00:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as he should, but the better course of action is to use free software, openoffice, koffice, abiword, siag etc | Dec 06 00:57 |
| schestowitz | But I was actually referring to free downloads of MSO10 beta | Dec 06 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'll get the final version no doubt | Dec 06 00:58 |
| schestowitz | You always do | Dec 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Still the inner Microsoft fan in you... | Dec 06 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's $3, why wouldn't I? | Dec 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/364731/89ede2dfc113cdf6/ | Dec 06 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | gnote is alive | Dec 06 01:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oddly enough, I have actually owned more than one version of Office, word, and works. They came to me second hand, but were all legit, serial numbers, books, reciepts, and origial disks | Dec 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Dec 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Works. | Dec 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Does it? | Dec 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | And it's dead | Dec 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft killed it | Dec 06 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Walmart still sells it | Dec 06 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | $40 a copy | Dec 06 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but I never used them, as I dislike them. They were in dollar boxes of computer hardware. | Dec 06 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | $40 resale, not bad Ryan | Dec 06 01:02 |
| cubezzz | I checked out dual booting on Windows 7 / Fedora 11 last night | Dec 06 01:02 |
| cubezzz | it did not go well | Dec 06 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, but re future plans | Dec 06 01:03 |
| cubezzz | in fact I called the customer and recommended he didn't mix Windows 7 with Linux on the same machine | Dec 06 01:03 |
| schestowitz | No new releases on the face of it | Dec 06 01:03 |
| cubezzz | they are trying hard to lock in, obviously | Dec 06 01:03 |
| schestowitz | My Windows 98 came with Works | Dec 06 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: The installer should offer a simple partitioning solution that gives you both on the disk | Dec 06 01:04 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, Microsoft attacks dual-booting, still | Dec 06 01:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or to stop users from dual booting, which is the same tactic that MS has always used | Dec 06 01:04 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft mbr vista 7 | Dec 06 01:04 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery ... | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392 | Dec 06 01:04 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Stoned Bootkit – Windows XP, 2003, Vista, 7 MBR Rootkit | Darknet ... | http://www.darknet.org.uk/2009/08/stoned-bootkit-windows-xp-2003-vista-7-mbr-rootkit/ | Dec 06 01:04 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Removed HDD with MBR/BCD having installed Vista x64 Business on ... | http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistarepair/thread/85b6401e-8841-45e2-8fee-7907549326ab | Dec 06 01:04 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Microsoft Still Sabotages Linux MBRs in Vista 7 | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/20/linux-mbr-in-vista-7/ | Dec 06 01:04 |
| schestowitz | See [4] | Dec 06 01:04 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, which installer? | Dec 06 01:04 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, checking | Dec 06 01:05 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people move to Linux after dual-booting | Dec 06 01:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I noticed a link posted in the log the other day, with a dual boot windows/android netbook | Dec 06 01:05 |
| schestowitz | The thugs from Redmond won't allow that | Dec 06 01:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm surprised there's no antitrust action re their treatment | Dec 06 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Well, I know Ubuntu and OpenSuse do | Dec 06 01:05 |
| cubezzz | yeah it's bad, I'm not looking at it anymore | Dec 06 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | I have OpenSuse on my other partition | Dec 06 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | doesn't the deals with OEM's or the EULA (or both) forbid dual boots pre-installed? | Dec 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | IIRC it was Hilf who said something about it being too complicated or unpredictable for Microsoft to do paritioninh | Dec 06 01:06 |
| cubezzz | the problem is the mbr goes munged | Dec 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Funny that GNU on a shoestring budgets can achieve just that | Dec 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | *budget | Dec 06 01:06 |
| cubezzz | also open solaris and fedora 11 don't mix | Dec 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu makes me hungry... http://blogs.sfweekly.com/foodie/2009/12/is_ubuntu_still_open_to_servin.php | Dec 06 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates wants the mbr to be overwritten, that was his tactic back in the OS/2 war days | Dec 06 01:07 |
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| cubezzz | so now I'm telling people not to dual boot for maintainance reasons | Dec 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Gates wants many things | Dec 06 01:07 |
| cubezzz | anyways windows 7 sucked the big one | Dec 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Right now he wants to addict people to crops and foods, not just software | Dec 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | He's rather evil if you look at where he puts cash | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | It's an investment | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | He invests in the same companies that benefits from his 'donations' | Dec 06 01:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its greed | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | *benefit | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | He loves | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | He loves it | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | He must love it | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Fool the masses | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Be seen as hero | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Make more money | Dec 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Become more powerful | Dec 06 01:08 |
| cubezzz | yeah well, what goes around comes around, even for Gates | Dec 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | And the masses will be washed with PR | Dec 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | You see... even when Microsoft is history... | Dec 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Gates will have left too much damage in other areas | Dec 06 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | Like Monsanto | Dec 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | So he's basically a moving target | Dec 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Globalist, where the meaning is to have the US expand globally with patents | Dec 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Now I found out more about his tobacco investments | Dec 06 01:10 |
| cubezzz | he still wants to control computers though | Dec 06 01:10 |
| cubezzz | that's his main thing | Dec 06 01:10 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The Gates money will have to be dealt with for many generations. Gates is like Joe Kennady, in a way. In that his money will used to further his dynasty | Dec 06 01:11 |
| cubezzz | more like Rockefeller | Dec 06 01:12 |
| cubezzz | it's big money | Dec 06 01:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Kennedy, Rockefellers, Bush families, all used their wealth and connections to obtain political power of some sort | Dec 06 01:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so won't the Gates family | Dec 06 01:13 |
| cubezzz | basically the way to defeat Gates is to get doze off your machines | Dec 06 01:14 |
| cubezzz | all of them, no half measures | Dec 06 01:14 |
| cubezzz | just don't run windows at all | Dec 06 01:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Dec 06 01:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why I will not buy Seven/Vista | Dec 06 01:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or any laptop that comes with it | Dec 06 01:15 |
| cubezzz | the only reason why I encountered windows 7 was that every laptop at the store (brick and mortar) level had windows 7 | Dec 06 01:16 |
| cubezzz | which means I will import, or buy one of the two dell Linux boxes online | Dec 06 01:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, I am cheap, I buy my laptops on ebay used. | Dec 06 01:16 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I do that too | Dec 06 01:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Make my own desktops | Dec 06 01:17 |
| cubezzz | panasonic toughbooks are good, and work well with Linux | Dec 06 01:17 |
| cubezzz | don't get these acer aspires... they are awful | Dec 06 01:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ARM I might go with after awhile | Dec 06 01:17 |
| cubezzz | the Canadian police use toughbooks | Dec 06 01:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Thinkpads and Toshiba's I have had good luck with as far as Linux | Dec 06 01:18 |
| cubezzz | Thinkpads I don't recommend | Dec 06 01:20 |
| cubezzz | many of them, e.g. R30 will have weak video perf | Dec 06 01:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they tend to be overpriced | Dec 06 01:21 |
| cubezzz | if it's just browsing and emails it's fine, but if you play games it's rather wimpy | Dec 06 01:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not familar with the R series | Dec 06 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Thinkpads are ugly | Dec 06 01:22 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The T series was too flimsy for me, and they stopped with the A series, which I really liked in Thinkpad | Dec 06 01:23 |
| cubezzz | toughbooks all the way, even if used | Dec 06 01:23 |
| cubezzz | that's my best recommendation | Dec 06 01:23 |
| cubezzz | nothing else comes close | Dec 06 01:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I noticed that HP has lots of complaints online about power connections failing | Dec 06 01:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but if you want to see something real scary, look at this: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p4522.m38.l1311&_nkw=xbox+360+console&_sacat=See-All-Categories | Dec 06 01:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: xbox 360 console, great deals on Video Games, Electronics on eBay! .::. Size~: 124.92 KB | Dec 06 01:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lots of RROD xbox360's. if you compare them with an ebay search for playstation PS2 which has been around a lot longer, you will not find near as many broken as is PS2 | Dec 06 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | Sony revisioned the PS2 a few times over reliability problems | Dec 06 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | including the laser misalignment defect that they charged you $100 to fix | Dec 06 01:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just received the latest Chromium build (4.0.265.0) a few gfx glitches have developed. :( I check if the bugs been logged. #chromium #foss | Dec 06 01:31 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Xbox360 is maybe the only product that I know that has a higher failure rate than Soviet made era Television sets | Dec 06 01:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The fact that M$ has enough clout and money to prevent the governments of the world to demand a recall of the Xbox360's says just how bad the system has been gamed | Dec 06 01:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ryan, u correct that the PS2 was not without problems, the lazer being the prime one | Dec 06 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Novell PR tour paid off.... http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/interview/microsoft--has-acknowledged-the-enterprise-role-of-linux---2667 | Dec 06 01:35 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | you can buy cheap lazers for the PS2 slim on ebay | Dec 06 01:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ryan, I red you bought an Xbox360, good luck with it. Don't move it, or set it where there is vibration. Also place a large fan blowing on it at all times. | Dec 06 01:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Sorry, Ryan, I could not help saying that. | Dec 06 01:37 |
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| _goblin | Quote "Do you remember the way Microsoft used to talk about Linux? In that dismissive fashion?" ----- Eh? whats this "used" to talk business? and what on earth does the acknoledgement of Linux have to do with Canonical producing such a popular distro....what a load of rubbish. I could care less if MS acknoledges anything or not... | Dec 06 02:02 |
| _goblin | All Novell did (IMO) with that deal was to drive away users from its distro and make any MS effort into the open source world be seen with distrust. | Dec 06 02:03 |
| _goblin | *seen with even more distrust.... | Dec 06 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 06 02:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @sankarshan: RT @herlo: #fedora release name is Goddard!! #fedora | Dec 06 02:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Microsoft-pulls-Windows-7-Family-Pack-so-you-can-spend-more-for-the-holidays/1260038502 | Dec 06 02:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.4 Preview – New #Video http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/05/kde-4-4-video/ includes #ogg | Dec 06 02:09 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/162101,gamer-completes-fairytale-from-playstation-to-real-life-pro-track-racing.aspx | Dec 06 02:19 |
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| cubezzz | computers are becoming slower and slower because each iteration of windows is getting more and more bloated | Dec 06 03:39 |
| cubezzz | if you were to run an ARM based lower power cpu, you would want a light Linux on there | Dec 06 03:39 |
| schestowitz | Same with some Linux | Dec 06 03:39 |
| cubezzz | yes, but not to the same degree | Dec 06 03:39 |
| schestowitz | Difference is, you have options | Dec 06 03:39 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 runs better for me than KDE3, but maybe it's X and Linux. | Dec 06 03:40 |
| cubezzz | yes, you can edit the whole thing, so I'm glad to have it | Dec 06 03:40 |
| cubezzz | you _could_ go 100% text | Dec 06 03:40 |
| cubezzz | it's not unthinkable | Dec 06 03:40 |
| cubezzz | maybe not on all your machines, but on one of them | Dec 06 03:41 |
| cubezzz | I run a lot of older hardware so my viewpoint is probably different from most people's | Dec 06 03:42 |
| cubezzz | the situation we have now with computers is still very bad | Dec 06 03:45 |
| cubezzz | it's the lock-in | Dec 06 03:48 |
| cubezzz | it's becoming worse | Dec 06 03:48 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, which cpu are you using? | Dec 06 03:49 |
| schestowitz | dual amd | Dec 06 03:54 |
| schestowitz | And BTW, re text based | Dec 06 03:54 |
| schestowitz | Linus does that | Dec 06 03:54 |
| cubezzz | it's a lot faster for a lot of things | Dec 06 03:55 |
| cubezzz | well, I tried windows 7 on AMD TF-20 and I found it sluggish | Dec 06 03:56 |
| cubezzz | my customer has decided to wipe windows 7 on the laptop and just run Linux | Dec 06 03:57 |
| cubezzz | not sure I care for the 16:10 display | Dec 06 03:58 |
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| schestowitz | What distro? | Dec 06 04:10 |
| cubezzz | uh, probably Fedora 11 | Dec 06 04:11 |
| cubezzz | I'm the one who does his installs | Dec 06 04:12 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Dec 06 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Morning, Omar87 | Dec 06 04:19 |
| schestowitz | He reminds me I need to get some bed time soon. I'm not tired yet for some reason | Dec 06 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Just spent 1.5 hours watching documentaries.... still too awake | Dec 06 04:19 |
| schestowitz | I'll do some posts... | Dec 06 04:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: hi, good evening. :-) | Dec 06 04:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: hey! Did you see that? I became the third guy on FSDaily!! XD | Dec 06 04:23 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, cool. | Dec 06 04:45 |
| amarsh04 | funny times, since the swine flu outbreak, I've had several times where I'd feel like I'd had hayfever, but slept a lot longer than normal and mostly felt ok after that | Dec 06 04:54 |
| amarsh04 | same symptoms as just after having swine flu shots | Dec 06 04:54 |
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| cubezzz | old but interesting: | Dec 06 05:03 |
| cubezzz | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/david-manners-semiconductor-blog/2009/03/dont-buy-an-atom-based-netbook.html | Dec 06 05:03 |
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| shreddar | Lately, I've been thinking about why there is legitimate dislike for MS. | Dec 06 05:06 |
| shreddar | It's easy to get confused and think maybe it's just *my* problem. | Dec 06 05:06 |
| shreddar | It's help that they hire people post on the internet to help give the impression. | Dec 06 05:08 |
| shreddar | Especially when there are better alternative available. | Dec 06 05:09 |
| shreddar | Right now there is a movement toward cheaper computers. | Dec 06 05:10 |
| shreddar | And MS is strategizing to try and make them useless so people spend more. | Dec 06 05:12 |
| shreddar | They want there business to stay in the high end but everyone is grabbing for the low end. | Dec 06 05:12 |
| shreddar | When customers want something but a company is using all it's power to prevent them from getting it then it's clear to me that the dislike is justified. | Dec 06 05:15 |
| shreddar | About 5 or 6 years (I can't remember) ago I bought XP and I wanted it to be miles ahead of 98. | Dec 06 05:17 |
| shreddar | With the price I expected it to be like something out of Lawnmower Man or something. | Dec 06 05:18 |
| shreddar | (I had to pay for the retail version because I bought a $200 PC off ebay without the install disk) | Dec 06 05:19 |
| cubezzz | Windows is garbage | Dec 06 05:19 |
| cubezzz | it was always garbage, back from the very start | Dec 06 05:19 |
| cubezzz | when it was a task switcher on top of MS DOS | Dec 06 05:20 |
| shreddar | I payed a extra $100 for XP. (half the cost of my ebay PC) | Dec 06 05:20 |
| shreddar | and that was the cheapest I could get it. | Dec 06 05:21 |
| amarsh04 | I'd be inclined to say that having an ide controller controlling 2 drives when it can only really control one at a time (unlike scsi), is garbage | Dec 06 05:21 |
| cubezzz | amarsh04, you can put one of them in a USB 2.0 external box | Dec 06 05:21 |
| cubezzz | but there's only so much bandwidth | Dec 06 05:22 |
| shreddar | Anyways I thought it was going to be waaayyyy faster and waaaayyy more user friendly. | Dec 06 05:22 |
| shreddar | I wasn't | Dec 06 05:22 |
| shreddar | it wasn't | Dec 06 05:22 |
| cubezzz | it was slower right? | Dec 06 05:23 |
| cubezzz | slower than windows 2000 | Dec 06 05:23 |
| amarsh04 | no usb2 on this machine... so I'll put the optical disk on the second ide controller | Dec 06 05:23 |
| shreddar | It was about the same as 98 as far as I could tell. | Dec 06 05:23 |
| cubezzz | my first Amiga 500 HD was an external SCSI | Dec 06 05:23 |
| cubezzz | expensive though | Dec 06 05:23 |
| shreddar | But this PC was newer than the one that had 98 on it. | Dec 06 05:23 |
| amarsh04 | this machine has 1 agp (radeon 9200se), 3 pci (sound, network, wide scsi) and 2 usb 1.1 ports | Dec 06 05:24 |
| amarsh04 | old tech | Dec 06 05:24 |
| cubezzz | so it was the same speed on a faster box :) | Dec 06 05:24 |
| shreddar | So newer PC + newer Window = same speed. | Dec 06 05:24 |
| shreddar | And the UI had hardly changed from 98. | Dec 06 05:25 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, shutting down | Dec 06 05:25 |
| cubezzz | I'm not even sure what to buy for laptop, except tougbook | Dec 06 05:25 |
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| cubezzz | SCSI is 3x the price though | Dec 06 05:26 |
| cubezzz | so if you are willing to pay, sure get SCSI | Dec 06 05:26 |
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| shreddar | When I decided to learn Linux in order to avoid this waisting another $100 I really didn't know about all the vender lock-in and applications barrier to entry crap. | Dec 06 05:31 |
| shreddar | That's when I started to really dislike MS. | Dec 06 05:32 |
| cubezzz | there's a long list of crap which stretches back to the 70's | Dec 06 05:32 |
| cubezzz | I knew the Unix based systems were better since the 80's | Dec 06 05:35 |
| cubezzz | Sun4 systems were doing stuff in the late 80's that windows 7 can't do today | Dec 06 05:35 |
| shreddar | Luckily computers are much cheaper than back then. Even if they come with Windows because OEM's are pushing for lower licensing rates in order to get the costs down. | Dec 06 05:39 |
| shreddar | When MS threatens to cut features or raise the price/rates OEM's point to Linux. | Dec 06 05:40 |
| shreddar | OEM's and customers | Dec 06 05:41 |
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| tessier | shreddar: If more people knew there would be more MS backlash | Dec 06 05:45 |
| tessier | My dad just announced that his next computer will be a Mac | Dec 06 05:45 |
| shreddar | My dad has hated MS for ever because of them being control freaks. (Product Registration and all of that) | Dec 06 05:48 |
| shreddar | He's to tied in with expensive software though to get away. | Dec 06 05:48 |
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| shreddar | I don't know I he knew all of the things they did to lock people in. (I sure didn't) | Dec 06 05:51 |
| shreddar | He hated having to upgrade to XP. He wanted to install 98 on his new computer. | Dec 06 05:52 |
| *amarsh04 is back with sucessfully swapped drives | Dec 06 05:53 | |
| shreddar | I think it was a OEM disk because it wouldn't work. | Dec 06 05:53 |
| cubezzz | older windows is probably better but.... hardly ideal | Dec 06 05:55 |
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| shreddar_ | I know similar attitudes existed with 95 users when 98 came out. | Dec 06 05:56 |
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| amarsh04 | much, much better getting the cd drive onto the secondary ide controller | Dec 06 05:56 |
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| cubezzz | amarsh04, why not put the cd drive external... just put a USB 2.0 card in there | Dec 06 05:57 |
| amarsh04 | no free pci slots cubes, one has a soundblaster live!5.1 model 0220, second has a dpt2044w scsi card, third has a realtek 8139 nic | Dec 06 05:58 |
| amarsh04 | if someone puts out a combination usb/ethernet card, I'd use that, although I can still use the w95osr2 on the scsi disk with the installed hardware | Dec 06 05:59 |
| amarsh04 | the last version of seamonkey that supported w95 was released in the last 12 months, after I had managed to get all the hardware including usb drives recognised and working in w95 | Dec 06 06:01 |
| shreddar | I think with each upgrade it has been more and more obvious that the new features aren't anything put in for the users benefit. Until now where it's almost impossible to ignore. | Dec 06 06:03 |
| shreddar | Vista was the straw that broke the camels back. | Dec 06 06:04 |
| shreddar | It'll be hard for MS to undue what Vista has done to their PR. | Dec 06 06:07 |
| cubezzz | well a rather bigger problem is the stores are all selling windows and mac | Dec 06 06:08 |
| cubezzz | but for desktop or tower, you can get barebones so no big deal | Dec 06 06:08 |
| cubezzz | only with laptop or netbook you will have trouble getting no os machines | Dec 06 06:08 |
| shreddar | People tend to skip over non-PC's when it comes to looking at computer sales. | Dec 06 06:11 |
| shreddar | What about smart-phones and set-top-boxes? | Dec 06 06:11 |
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| cubezzz | not sure what you mean by set-top-box | Dec 06 06:12 |
| shreddar | Roku, Tivo, etc. | Dec 06 06:12 |
| cubezzz | oh, DVR then | Dec 06 06:12 |
| cubezzz | Tivo is no good | Dec 06 06:12 |
| cubezzz | not sure what to suggest there | Dec 06 06:13 |
| shreddar | You have all of those Symbian based cell phones. (Cell phones far outnumber PCs) | Dec 06 06:16 |
| shreddar | Now you have OSX and Linux based platforms like Maemor and Android. | Dec 06 06:17 |
| shreddar | As more people get new phones I expect smart phone to outnumber PC's aswell. | Dec 06 06:18 |
| shreddar | Chrome OS when it comes out will obviously not be dual boot like standard linux distros. | Dec 06 06:19 |
| shreddar | The netbooks built for it can't possibly run Windows on them as well. | Dec 06 06:20 |
| tessier | I really want one of those new ARM based netbooks | Dec 06 06:20 |
| shreddar | It'll basecally be another type of device a net book. Hey you know what I think they should call these computers? | Dec 06 06:22 |
| shreddar | Netputers | Dec 06 06:22 |
| cubezzz | Motorola A1200 comes to mind for phone | Dec 06 06:22 |
| cubezzz | tessier, yeah :) | Dec 06 06:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] This is the age of imperialism. As #South #Africa celebrates the upcoming #FIFA #WorldCup, people starve to death just a stone throw away. | Dec 06 06:22 | |
| cubezzz | well there's netwalker on ebay, expensive | Dec 06 06:23 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 06 06:25 |
| cubezzz | there's Lemote, you can import, but it's not ARM | Dec 06 06:25 |
| cubezzz | 64-bit Loongson-2F processor running at 900 Mhz | Dec 06 06:25 |
| Omar87 | Don't you people find it disgusting the FIFA WorldCup is being celebrated in South Africa while poeple are starving to death just a couple miles away? | Dec 06 06:26 |
| Omar87 | people* | Dec 06 06:26 |
| tessier | What does that have to do with imperialism? | Dec 06 06:28 |
| tessier | I thought World Cup happened once every few years or something? | Dec 06 06:28 |
| tessier | Or is FIFA some local thing? | Dec 06 06:28 |
| *tessier doesn't follow it | Dec 06 06:28 | |
| cubezzz | no, it's world-wide | Dec 06 06:29 |
| cubezzz | Ireland had two periods in it's history where people starved to death | Dec 06 06:35 |
| *shreddar is going to sleep soon | Dec 06 06:35 | |
| cubezzz | one major factor was the population, concentrated on a relatively small land mass | Dec 06 06:35 |
| cubezzz | and of course the potato blight, monoculture... people were mainly growing potatoes on smaller and smaller parcels of land | Dec 06 06:36 |
| cubezzz | there was a mass exodus, and currently the populaton of Ireland is about 60% of it's peak | Dec 06 06:36 |
| cubezzz | England didn't help Ireland during either time, not in the 18th century and in the 19th | Dec 06 06:37 |
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| cubezzz | now famine is one reason for starvation | Dec 06 06:38 |
| cubezzz | so is over-population | Dec 06 06:38 |
| cubezzz | this is generally true | Dec 06 06:39 |
| cubezzz | no birth control, AIDs, lack of infastructure... | Dec 06 06:39 |
| cubezzz | and it just seems harder to do things in Africa | Dec 06 06:40 |
| cubezzz | colder countries tend to do better | Dec 06 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | anyone care to guess why there is a button under the power button on my computer that makes the monitor shut off and unable to turn back on? | Dec 06 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | I was freaking out thinking that it was damaged or something and found out it was just my cat brushing over that button | Dec 06 06:55 |
| amarsh04 | maybe the power button is actually a "standby" button | Dec 06 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | this little button kills the monitor and then you can't make it turn back on without holding the power button in to force the computer off, then switching the power supply off and back on | Dec 06 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | if you just turn it off and on after hitting that button, the monitor won't turn back on | Dec 06 06:57 |
| amarsh04 | sounds like it turns it off until the whole system is turned off and back on again | Dec 06 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but not just off and on | Dec 06 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | you have to unplug it or flip the PSU switch off and on | Dec 06 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | then turn the system back on | Dec 06 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm calling it the Practical Joke Button | Dec 06 06:59 |
| Omar87 | tessier: in that wealth, happiness and power are now restricted to a certain slice of the population. | Dec 06 07:22 |
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| jose | schestowitz, you may want to highlight these two postings: http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000001957 and http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000001949 and perhaps also http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000001923 | Dec 06 07:34 |
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| jose | I haven't read these all yet, but I expect I will like them a lot. | Dec 06 07:34 |
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| Guest401 | well done Roy, love your web site, lots of great infomation here, kep up the great work!! | Dec 06 07:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Etherpad opensourcing collaborative web based text editor.Useful for free software projects to collab with like gobby http://bit.ly/8PjPdn | Dec 06 09:26 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ACTA, the secret copyright treaty, amounts to international #terrorism http://ur1.ca/h7mu | Dec 06 09:46 | |
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| PetoKraus | gah, ati KMS doesn't work properly on my chip | Dec 06 10:09 |
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| oiaohm | Found out today its been too long since I have made a kernel. I made a initrd without doing depmod first so it creates a really funny bug. | Dec 06 10:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Script Makes #GNU #Linux Look Like #Windows http://ur1.ca/h7sh http://ur1.ca/h7si | Dec 06 12:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Build a Dream Machine with #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-05-006-35-OS-HW-SW | Dec 06 12:01 | |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: That is crazy,making ubuntu look like XP | Dec 06 12:03 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Dec 06 12:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EULA Makes #GNU #Linux Better Than #Windows http://ur1.ca/h7sn http://ur1.ca/h7sq http://ur1.ca/h7sr | Dec 06 12:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Used for Real Work, #Vista7 Just for Few Programs http://ur1.ca/h7su | Dec 06 12:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Copies Features from #GNU #Linux http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2009/12/04/imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery/ | Dec 06 12:05 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] This is crazy :D must watch #video RD: @schestowitz: Script Makes #GNU #Linux Look Like #Windows http://ur1.ca/h7sh http://ur1.ca/h7si | Dec 06 12:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux #Servers Chosen for Indian #Bank http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/enterprise/2009/109120501.asp | Dec 06 12:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #VidaLinux is Back, A Glimpse at #CalculateLinux 10.0 http://ur1.ca/h7tq http://ur1.ca/h7tr | Dec 06 12:23 | |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: http://web2linux.com/?p=56 Not found? No killer apps? | Dec 06 12:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good Review of the #Mandriva Family, Screenshots of #MiniMe http://ur1.ca/h7ty http://ur1.ca/h7tz | Dec 06 12:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UbuntuCE 6.0 Targets #Servers Too http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Christian-Edition-6-0-Beta-Brings-Server-Edition-128835.shtml | Dec 06 12:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Targets #FogComputing http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/364701/ce64851cc473be19/ | Dec 06 12:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Fine Details of Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/h7us http://ur1.ca/h7ut | Dec 06 12:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Deal Helps Spread #Linux Phones, #iPhone Challenged http://ur1.ca/h7uv http://ur1.ca/h7ux | Dec 06 12:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #ARM -based Computer Runs #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/4Oaav2 | Dec 06 12:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #GNU #Linux Distro Comes to More #Subnotebooks http://ur1.ca/h7v0 | Dec 06 12:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Gets More Support http://allafrica.com/stories/200912040032.html | Dec 06 12:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analysis of the Maintenance Advantage of #FreeSoftware http://openwebdeveloper.sys-con.com/node/1204364/print | Dec 06 12:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 3 New Audiocasts About GNU/Linux http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/12/04/caos-theory-podcast-20091204/ | Dec 06 12:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 3 New Audiocasts About GNU/Linux [2] http://twit.tv/floss98 http://ur1.ca/h7va http://ur1.ca/h4ee | Dec 06 12:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Database Debate Heats up, #Oracle Rumoured to Let #MySQL Go http://ur1.ca/h7vf http://ur1.ca/h7vg | Dec 06 12:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU Asserts Power and #Licensing Rights http://ur1.ca/h7vu http://ur1.ca/h7vv | Dec 06 13:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Movement Inspires Prizes/Awards http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/283219 | Dec 06 13:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments of #Holland and #Latvia Move on to More #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/h7vy http://ur1.ca/h7vz | Dec 06 13:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #PHP #IDE http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/12/prweb3297974.htm | Dec 06 13:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Young Woman Arrested by #IntellectualMonopolies Injustice http://ur1.ca/h7w6 | Dec 06 13:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BPI Man Quits Over Mandy/MAFIAA Bill, Ambassador Slams #ACTA http://ur1.ca/h7wb http://keionline.org/node/706 | Dec 06 13:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Taint the Citizens' Law http://ur1.ca/h7wj http://ur1.ca/h7wl | Dec 06 13:20 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] UK #PoliceState doesn't want report leaked about failure to stop drugs, harass citizens http://ur1.ca/h7yj | Dec 06 14:06 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Dec 06 14:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Troubled £12bn NHS IT system to be scaled back http://tinyurl.com/ybxkrat | Dec 06 14:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Head of #Microsoft #Malaysia Jumps Ship http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/06/msft-malaysia-yasmin-mahmood-out/ | Dec 06 14:38 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC News - Troubled £12bn NHS IT system to be scaled back .::. Size~: 51.39 KB | Dec 06 14:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Head of Microsoft Malaysia Jumps Ship | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.22 KB | Dec 06 14:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple May Destroy Partner and Acquisition (Lala), #Google “Crushes #Etherpad ” with #Acquisition http://ur1.ca/h81c | Dec 06 15:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im getting a little fed up with O2 and its DNS issues. If I am paying a monthly sub so I expect to have to rely on OpenDNS? | Dec 06 15:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Patiently waiting for the next Chromium build. With luck the gfx glitch thats appeared will disapear. | Dec 06 15:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently looking at a Genesis emu for the DS. Very impressed! #nds #genesis #sega #homebrew #emulator | Dec 06 15:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gnote is Alive, New Release Available http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/06/gnote-is-alive-and-ubuntu-lynx/ | Dec 06 15:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Does Israel Really Have a Right to Exist? http://bit.ly/3GrdVY | Dec 06 16:28 | |
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| imaginativeone | yes | Dec 06 16:29 |
| imaginativeone | Israel really has a rught to exist | Dec 06 16:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Hires in Areas of #Tax Dodging and #Offshoring http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/06/msft-reduces-wages-avoids-tax/ | Dec 06 16:32 | |
| Omar87 | imaginativeone: Israel has a "Reich" to exist. | Dec 06 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Back in a couple... | Dec 06 16:55 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: tyt | Dec 06 16:56 |
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| _goblin_ | Hi all.... | Dec 06 17:23 |
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| trmanco_ | grrr | Dec 06 17:44 |
| trmanco_ | :| | Dec 06 17:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Verizon is now advertising Bing on their commercials | Dec 06 18:17 |
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| cubezzz | ok, I can boot into Fedora 11 with a disc and still retain windows 7 | Dec 06 18:48 |
| cubezzz | but personally, I'm not going to bother with 7 | Dec 06 18:48 |
| cubezzz | don't recommend dual booting though | Dec 06 18:51 |
| cubezzz | If you have a bios that allows you to prevent writing to the MBR, it will be really easy to circumvent (considered a virus protection feature most of the time). | Dec 06 18:54 |
| cubezzz | even then.... do I trust doze? No way | Dec 06 18:54 |
| cubezzz | for further reading: http://blog.lokonopa.com/grub-up-windows-7/ | Dec 06 18:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Adding Windows 7 to Linux Multiboot « Lokos Domain .::. Size~: 92.17 KB | Dec 06 18:56 |
| cubezzz | I mean no knows what crap is in there | Dec 06 18:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The foxes are taking over. NOW THEY'RE TRAVELLING BY TUBE. http://twitpic.com/sebvd (HT @stellacreasy) | Dec 06 19:10 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Arriving at my home tube station late last night I was greete... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 22.96 KB | Dec 06 19:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] would Humpty Dumpty get accident insurance? :-/ | Dec 06 19:11 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, found another Linux computer for sale | Dec 06 19:15 |
| cubezzz | newegg.ca has ASUS boxes with Linux | Dec 06 19:16 |
| cubezzz | http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220012&cm_re=Linux-_-83-220-012-_-Product | Dec 06 19:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Newegg.ca - ASUS Eee Box EBXB202-BLK-E0035 Intel Atom N270(1.60GHz) 1GB DDR2 160GB Intel GMA 950 Linux - Desktop PCs .::. Size~: 93.08 KB | Dec 06 19:18 |
| cubezzz | ok, newegg has a Linux laptop as well | Dec 06 19:23 |
| cubezzz | Acer eME525-2140 Intel Celeron 900(2.2GHz) 15.6" 1GB Memory 160GB HDD DVD Super Multi Intel GMA 4500M NoteBook - Retail | Dec 06 19:24 |
| cubezzz | $449 CAN | Dec 06 19:24 |
| cubezzz | people seem to be complaining about GMA 4500M video perf though | Dec 06 19:32 |
| cubezzz | that was the first 15.6" display version I've found | Dec 06 19:34 |
| schestowitz | This is a nice show: http://linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-47-alfresco-and-gdns-linux-basement | Dec 06 19:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: LB - Episode 47 - Alfresco and GDNS by Linux Basement | Linux Basement .::. Size~: 28.98 KB | Dec 06 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: any box without the Intel tax? | Dec 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | You know, for those who don't want to be forced to feed a criminal organisation...? | Dec 06 19:37 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Dec 06 19:38 |
| cubezzz | I guess you want the Lemote then | Dec 06 19:39 |
| cubezzz | I'll keep looking though | Dec 06 19:39 |
| cubezzz | what bad stuff did Intel do? | Dec 06 19:39 |
| cubezzz | wait a sec, I'll check bn, silly me | Dec 06 19:40 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you could buy an Amiga :) | Dec 06 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I never had an Amiga | Dec 06 19:42 |
| schestowitz | My neighbour had Commodore when I was a kid | Dec 06 19:42 |
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| cubezzz | or Zaurus used maybe | Dec 06 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 06 19:42 |
| cubezzz | hello :) | Dec 06 19:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/24/two-more-publishers-talk-about-blocking-google | Dec 06 19:42 |
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| cubezzz | back in 1/2 hour | Dec 06 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://tv.rightcelebrity.com/?p=3460 | Dec 06 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | They could wipe out E. Coli if people would shut up and let them irradiate meat | Dec 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/30/canada-tar-sands-copenhagen-climate-deal | Dec 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | Obama is trying to pledge us to a benchmark that we cannot meet | Dec 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | I guess he'll leave us to figure out how to meet the demands of this treaty after he's out of office | Dec 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad it takes 2/3rds of the Senate before a treaty he enters into is law | Dec 06 19:57 |
| imaginativeone | heh heh | Dec 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | something so ridiculous will never pass the Senate | Dec 06 19:57 |
| imaginativeone | we learned NOTHING from "No Child Left Behind"... | Dec 06 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | it would actually be easier to write a proposed law that has the same terms as the treaty and try to pass that | Dec 06 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | they could do something like attach it to a "defense" bill that the Republicans have to pass | Dec 06 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | or pass it as a set of amendments to several must pass bills to at least get most of it in place | Dec 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | I could see, maybe, realistically getting a third of what Obama is trying to commit us to done | Dec 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | it needs to be done, but we needed to start 20 years ago | Dec 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | the technology for wind turbines and such existed then, so why weren't we using them? | Dec 06 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | Why are we only now saying "Oh shit, fossil fuels are expensive and OPEC has us by the balls?" | Dec 06 20:03 |
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| DaemonFC | nobody cared when gas was 90 cents a gallon and you could heat a two story house for <$100 a month | Dec 06 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | as gas got more expensive, many people bought heavier vehicles with bigger engines | Dec 06 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | then they all lose their jobs, get the big ugly thing repossessed, and start complaining about what they did | Dec 06 20:06 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #IRS audits person because she is too poor http://ur1.ca/h8ff | Dec 06 20:06 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Danny Westneat | $10 an hour with 2 kids? IRS pounces | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 70.34 KB | Dec 06 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Actually, the more people in the house, the more efficiently some bills end up | Dec 06 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | food for example, is probably more expensive for one person than it is for three | Dec 06 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | you end up buying less at once at higher prices or end up having things go bad | Dec 06 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | or give up and buy frozen TV dinners | Dec 06 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | your rent or house payment is the same whether you have 1 person there or 2 people splitting the cost | Dec 06 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of people that want a divorce don't get one just because the two incomes are the only way they can live like they are used to | Dec 06 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | more than half your energy use is heating or cooling, that costs the same no matter who is in the house | Dec 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Just use a sweater | Dec 06 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'll go out on a limb here and say that if you have two working adults in the house you probably have about twice as much money and your bills go up maybe 30% | Dec 06 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | being single is probably the biggest cause of poverty I can name | Dec 06 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | major incentives to find an extra income | Dec 06 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | hence marriage | Dec 06 20:16 |
| imaginativeone | LOL | Dec 06 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | then there's all kinds of predatory marriages though | Dec 06 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | guy moves in with a fat chick who can't do better and refuses to work | Dec 06 20:17 |
| cubezzz | I can remember when gas was 19 cents per litre :) | Dec 06 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | still one income, bills still rise 30% | Dec 06 20:17 |
| cubezzz | that's when we switched over to the metric system | Dec 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The cheapest I've seen it was like 77 cents per gallon | Dec 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Dec 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's like $2.89 the last I looked | Dec 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | there was some economic crisis somewhere back in the 90s and it led to gas prices falling in the US | Dec 06 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen it in the 85-90 cent a gallon range on its own though | Dec 06 20:19 |
| cubezzz | Intel seems more pro-linux than a lot of companies | Dec 06 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen it hit $3.50 a gallon right after Katrina | Dec 06 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | the state attorney general fined a lot of stations for gouging | Dec 06 20:20 |
| cubezzz | I use public trans and walk a lot | Dec 06 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | of course the fine money goes to the state, not those who were ripped off | Dec 06 20:20 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #FreeNAS switches to !Debian http://ur1.ca/h8g0 | Dec 06 20:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] WTF do Ubuntu number apps differently? It makes it impossible to compare if it's the latest version | Dec 06 20:24 | |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu tends to leave out the new features and Fedora throws them in and breaks everything | Dec 06 20:25 |
| *cubezzz purrs along with FC1 | Dec 06 20:25 | |
| DaemonFC | I tend to think that the reason a lot of distributions keep back the new versions of Xorg is because Nvidia and ATI don't update their drivers in a timely manner | Dec 06 20:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] cherokee server = 0.11.6-1 aka 0.99.31? What planet are the ubuntu packagers on? | Dec 06 20:26 | |
| DaemonFC | they're on crack | Dec 06 20:27 |
| _goblin | Hi all.... | Dec 06 20:27 |
| _goblin | Ive hit a little luck... | Dec 06 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | I was always under the impression that -1 means Ubuntu patched it with something themselves | Dec 06 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | usually means they broke it somehow | Dec 06 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf | Dec 06 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have to agree with thistleweb | Dec 06 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu shares the same disease Debian does | Dec 06 20:28 |
| _goblin | disease? | Dec 06 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | so many out of tree patches that are never going to be approved by anyone | Dec 06 20:29 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft are scared of Intel | Dec 06 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | even when that becomes obvious, they keep them | Dec 06 20:29 |
| _goblin | I think Microsoft are scared of anything they can't purchase. | Dec 06 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora and OpenSuse at least try to work with the upstream projects | Dec 06 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | they don't hoard hundreds of patches that have already been rejected | Dec 06 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, It's not uncommon to be audited by the IRS if they think you're living too well for your income | Dec 06 20:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, how dare they keep patches that weren't blessed by upstream | Dec 06 20:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you keep denouncing marriage | Dec 06 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Just because you won't marry doesn't mean it must suck | Dec 06 20:33 |
| MinceR | there are other things that mean that it sucks | Dec 06 20:34 |
| cubezzz | Archos Internet tablet, huge price drop | Dec 06 20:34 |
| cubezzz | ARM based | Dec 06 20:34 |
| schestowitz | YEah | Dec 06 20:35 |
| cubezzz | $169 CAN | Dec 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Well, Intel's issue is not to do with Linux | Dec 06 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them are marriages for convenience | Dec 06 20:35 |
| cubezzz | that is tempting actually | Dec 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe, but it's still better | Dec 06 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | there's never a contract where someone isn't getting the better deal | Dec 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | it's all fashion | Dec 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | But many cultures end up with marital rituals | Dec 06 20:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: This beat is technotronic. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/22310.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/536090.html | Dec 06 20:36 | |
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| schestowitz | Like few end up with anarchy is the sense of no governance | Dec 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Even the primitive tribes have the notion of status | Dec 06 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's a contract, you're contracting yourself out to one person and then try to find a way out of it without losing half your stuff and getting half their debt for the next 10 years | Dec 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Gorillas too | Dec 06 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Do monkeys stay in couples? | Dec 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Fixed couple? | Dec 06 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | maybe, but we're not monkeys | Dec 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | We are of a common ancestor | Dec 06 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | we have higher thought, we shouldn't be thinking so two-dimensionally | Dec 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | Dec 06 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | going after vapid concepts like love | Dec 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Deeper in the brains we're like fish | Dec 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Instincts and all | Dec 06 20:38 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if most humans really have higher thought | Dec 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 06 20:38 |
| cubezzz | they do | Dec 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | yeah. | Dec 06 20:38 |
| cubezzz | they don't always use it though | Dec 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. | Dec 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | You could trains apes to be cannon fodder | Dec 06 20:39 |
| schestowitz | (train | Dec 06 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | marriage is a shallow, hollow, and vapid institution (in my opinion) | Dec 06 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | take that how you will | Dec 06 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Better that than none | Dec 06 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | why anyone would be fighting for the rope to hang themselves with escapes me | Dec 06 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | (same-sex marriage) | Dec 06 20:40 |
| schestowitz | BTW, some gay dude was trying to come on to me a couple of hours ago. Very strange, I don't look gay. | Dec 06 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Do I? | Dec 06 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Don't know. | Dec 06 20:40 |
| MinceR | it's an institution whose sole point is keeping people who hate each other together by force. | Dec 06 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Not always. | Dec 06 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Just most of them | Dec 06 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Some say 90% | Dec 06 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, tell me what one is supposed to act like and I may be able to emulate the stereotype | Dec 06 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | poorly no doubt | Dec 06 20:41 |
| MinceR | if they don't hate each other, they don't need to be forced together | Dec 06 20:41 |
| MinceR | so then it does nothing | Dec 06 20:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the stereotype has accents and voices to begin with | Dec 06 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Statistically speaking | Dec 06 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I just need to curse more. /sarcasm | Dec 06 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | people have asked me what I thought about same-sex marriage and my answer is always "they're fighting for the rope to hang themselves with" | Dec 06 20:42 |
| schestowitz | It's fasionable | Dec 06 20:43 |
| cubezzz | the funny part is, I've heard married guys say they wish they were single, and single guys say they wish they were married | Dec 06 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Some cultures have companionships without marriage | Dec 06 20:43 |
| schestowitz | It becomes complicated with cheating, which leads to jealously and resement | Dec 06 20:43 |
| schestowitz | *nt | Dec 06 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Domestic Partners | Dec 06 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like they clean houses together | Dec 06 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Swap oversight (children) | Dec 06 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Or attendance at night... for crying baby/ies | Dec 06 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's a plot by the church, they thought they could give us something and then we'd break those contracts at a higher rate than straight christians or something | Dec 06 20:44 |
| schestowitz | No plot | Dec 06 20:44 |
| schestowitz | No church | Dec 06 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Look at independent cultures | Dec 06 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | then they could come back with statistics and go "Meh....Meh!!!!" | Dec 06 20:44 |
| schestowitz | See how *they* evolved... their culture | Dec 06 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, bbl | Dec 06 20:45 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, with girls I meet, they naturally want marriage sooner than guysdo | Dec 06 20:45 |
| cubezzz | ok this is just over the top, but you have to check it out: | Dec 06 20:45 |
| cubezzz | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5254993&CatId=2683 | Dec 06 20:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Buy the Vertex XV1080A GPU 1U Supercomputer at TigerDirect.ca .::. Size~: 142.37 KB | Dec 06 20:45 |
| schestowitz | So there's always this age incompatibility cause today's blokes want to stay single for a while longer and women are the opposite | Dec 06 20:45 |
| schestowitz | But it's a cultural thing | Dec 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | GIrls can get impregnated at later ages and guys just live for much longer than before (40 years) | Dec 06 20:46 |
| cubezzz | most people get married at some point | Dec 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Some multiple times | Dec 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can marry rather than date | Dec 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Michael Jackson married Priestley very fast and they separated within like 180 days, divorced within less than a year | Dec 06 20:48 |
| cubezzz | yeah, he wasn't exactly the poster boy for marriage though | Dec 06 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, he's not centric | Dec 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Probably marries cause it was good for his public image at the time | Dec 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I think Ellison had a lot of wivs | Dec 06 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Let me check how many | Dec 06 20:50 |
| cubezzz | and of course we have Stallman :) | Dec 06 20:50 |
| schestowitz | 4 tims | Dec 06 20:50 |
| schestowitz | *times | Dec 06 20:50 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: RMS talks about reproduction as peril to survival | Dec 06 20:51 |
| cubezzz | who is probably 99.999% marriage proof | Dec 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | He wrote about it earlier | Dec 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Earlier today he wrote that people in developing countries should be paid millions not to have kids | Dec 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | He says GNU is like his baby | Dec 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of Jacksons, how many were they? Michael had like 7 siblings | Dec 06 20:52 |
| cubezzz | yes, transference, classic case | Dec 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | At that pace, his two patents can become like 40 within 40 years (2 generations) | Dec 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Imagine that | Dec 06 20:52 |
| cubezzz | They used to be the Jackson 5, plus the 2 girls I guess | Dec 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | 10-fold growth in 10 years | Dec 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Like bacteria eponential growth in a jar, only slowed down | Dec 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | La Toya and Janet only? | Dec 06 20:53 |
| cubezzz | I think so | Dec 06 20:53 |
| cubezzz | "Featuring Dual NVIDIA Tesla M1060 GPUs with a total of 480 cores" | Dec 06 20:54 |
| cubezzz | the GPUs aren't used for graphics, just computing | Dec 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | 1337 core GPU..... | Dec 06 20:56 |
| cubezzz | Length: 23", Width: 24", Depth: 15", weight 60 pounds | Dec 06 20:57 |
| cubezzz | the super computer can be yours for $12K :) | Dec 06 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://cosminghiu.com/blog/2006/09/12/boycott-myspace/ | Dec 06 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2009/12/we-all-had-our-dreams.html | Dec 06 21:01 |
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| cubezzz | found another Linux box: | Dec 06 21:09 |
| cubezzz | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5367151&CatId=5114 | Dec 06 21:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Buy the CompuLab FIT-PC2 Linux Nettop PC at TigerDirect.ca .::. Size~: 155.76 KB | Dec 06 21:09 |
| cubezzz | 1.05" x 1.5" x 4" | Dec 06 21:11 |
| cubezzz | you can connect an antenna to it which is interesting | Dec 06 21:12 |
| schestowitz | That's what they said about Hovsepian | Dec 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Sales-continue-to-decline-at-Novell-877172.html | Dec 06 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | still taking instructions from Microsoft | Dec 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | See their Call | Dec 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | THey fill it with chatter about Microsoft ccoooooooooooooooopons | Dec 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | It's like Novell lives on food stampts from Bill&Steve | Dec 06 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87_: http://www.ameinfo.com/217876.html | Dec 06 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | There's a sucker born every minute... anti-virus for Linux | Dec 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8393454.stm | Dec 06 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | "Repeat after me: open source means more than just the license. We need a scorecard. (And before you say, I am well aware of Sun's shortcomings, I am still working on them)." http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2009_11_30 | Dec 06 21:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Compare Netbooks & Netbook Deals - Handy site for comparing netbook models http://tinyurl.com/yaezfrd | Dec 06 22:08 | |
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| schestowitz | This is weird intrusion of privacy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4natV9IlXac&feature=related | Dec 06 22:41 |
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| Nerd42 | why? | Dec 06 22:55 |
| MinceR | just because. | Dec 06 22:55 |
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| _starscream | hello | Dec 06 22:57 |
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| _goblin | hello _starscream | Dec 06 23:04 |
| _starscream | how are you today | Dec 06 23:04 |
| _goblin | not bad. | Dec 06 23:05 |
| _goblin | although fed up with O2 | Dec 06 23:05 |
| _starscream | O2? | Dec 06 23:05 |
| _goblin | my ISP. | Dec 06 23:06 |
| _goblin | had many issues today....I shouldnt have to use an OpenDNS if Im paying subs to an ISP (IMO) | Dec 06 23:07 |
| _goblin | found a very decent Genesis emu for the DS today though....+ive got the src...very interesting... | Dec 06 23:08 |
| _starscream | cool | Dec 06 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I've just posted links. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/06/freenas-moves-to-debian/ | Dec 06 23:19 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: really freenas has not moved that far. Thinking debian will have a use freebsd kernel option mostly in next major release. | Dec 06 23:22 |
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| _goblin | isn't that Mutex? | Dec 06 23:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Finally getting to listen to Fridays Linux Outlaws....great stuff! #linux #foss | Dec 06 23:42 | |
| MinceR | which one? | Dec 06 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Hmm nop someone having client problems if you are refering to Declination | Dec 06 23:43 |
| Declination | yes | Dec 06 23:43 |
| Declination | wireless cutting out | Dec 06 23:43 |
| Declination | i will leave if it bothers you | Dec 06 23:43 |
| MinceR | mutex uses a different isp from that of Declination, afaik | Dec 06 23:43 |
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| MinceR | he didn't wait to find out whether it bothers us or not :> | Dec 06 23:43 |
| _goblin | where am have I seen Ryan before......? | Dec 06 23:44 |
| _goblin | * edit: no "am" | Dec 06 23:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC | Dec 06 23:44 |
| MinceR | but he's from a different isp, too | Dec 06 23:44 |
| _goblin | ah..I had him on ignore for a few months....thats probably it. | Dec 06 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, mutex | Dec 06 23:48 |
| schestowitz | New Nym | Dec 06 23:48 |
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| MinceR | also, missing ban ;) | Dec 06 23:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeNAS Moves to #Debian #GNU #Linux http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/pentoo-2009-0-screenshots/ | Dec 06 23:55 | |
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| cubezzz | ah, the daily mutex kick | Dec 06 23:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virtual Applications Good News to #GNU #Linux on Desktops, Servers http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/virtual_desktops_apps/ | Dec 06 23:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Servers Get Expanded Support, Scope http://ur1.ca/h8qy http://ur1.ca/h8qz | Dec 06 23:57 | |
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| cubezzz | it's not easy to avoid intel | Dec 06 23:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Pentoo #GNU #Linux 2009.0 http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/pentoo-2009-0-screenshots/ | Dec 06 23:58 | |
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