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schestowitz_goblin: http://www.thepirategoogle.com/Dec 10 00:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Torrent File Search Using Google Custom Search - Scour the Entire Web for Bit Torrent Files .::. Size~: 0.84 KBDec 10 00:00
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/wikileaks_legal/Dec 10 00:01
phIRCe-localTitle: UK air traffic control goes after Wikileaks • The Register .::. Size~: 26.87 KBDec 10 00:01
_goblinschestowitz: lol.Dec 10 00:05
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Guest4689testDec 10 00:09
Guest4689is rob online?Dec 10 00:09
Guest4689roy sorryDec 10 00:09
_goblinhe was here a few minutes ago.Dec 10 00:11
Guest4689thanksDec 10 00:11
Guest4689for a good laught:Dec 10 00:11
Guest4689http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4596/135/Dec 10 00:11
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/09/google-apps-gets-google-groupsDec 10 00:12
phIRCe-localTitle: Google Apps Gets Google Groups | WebProNews .::. Size~: 31.99 KBDec 10 00:12
_goblinthats going to hurtDec 10 00:12
schestowitzHey Guest4689Dec 10 00:13
Guest4689heyDec 10 00:13
Guest4689if you are looking for a good laught, check link aboveDec 10 00:13
cubezzzwhere does the $20,000 per infringement number come from?Dec 10 00:17
cubezzzwhat decides the amount?Dec 10 00:17
cubezzzseems rather high Dec 10 00:18
schestowitzGuest4689: yeahDec 10 00:18
schestowitzI put it in BN's links 2 days agoDec 10 00:18
schestowitz1.5 days more like...Dec 10 00:18
schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/is-google-in-for-regulatory-trouble/?cs=38029Dec 10 00:18
phIRCe-localTitle: Is Google in for Regulatory Trouble? | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 82 KBDec 10 00:18
schestowitzPeople think of Google as totally harmlessDec 10 00:19
schestowitzBut it drove many Web startups out of businessDec 10 00:19
Guest468920k from previous lawsuitDec 10 00:19
schestowitzNot that Google deliberately targets or attacks them like MicrosoftDec 10 00:19
cubezzzwe pay a tax on blank media in CanadaDec 10 00:19
cubezzzdon't know who or what gets the money thoughDec 10 00:20
schestowitzMAFIAA is so arogant that it thinks it owns the legal systemDec 10 00:20
schestowitzIn some ways it doesDec 10 00:20
schestowitzTHe democrats put the RIAA in the US DOJDec 10 00:20
schestowitzBiden paying back the minions who elected him (as in campaign/PR funding)Dec 10 00:20
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091204/1741297216.shtmlDec 10 00:21
phIRCe-localTitle: Perfect 10 Still Not Giving Up In Lawsuit Against Google | Techdirt .::. Size~: 34.67 KBDec 10 00:21
schestowitzhttp://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/11/myspace_quietly.htmDec 10 00:21
cubezzzwho would you rather have running things?Dec 10 00:22
cubezzzGoogle or Microsoft?Dec 10 00:22
oiaohmUmmDec 10 00:22
oiaohmI cannot say that google does not target web startups.Dec 10 00:22
oiaohmGoogle does not do anything illegal to destroy web startups but if they have something good will try to get them to join google.Dec 10 00:23
cubezzzMy understanding is no one is really forced to sell outDec 10 00:23
oiaohmGoogle makes it money threw adveristing.Dec 10 00:24
oiaohmThat does give a few startups problems like in the GPS maps busisness where the formed around selling the maps.Dec 10 00:25
cubezzzsometimes companies would hope to be bought outDec 10 00:25
oiaohmI would have though placing businesses on there and selling like yellow pages stuff would have crossed there mind before it crossed googles.Dec 10 00:25
schestowitzWhoo.Dec 10 00:25
oiaohmIe some of it is google causing market shifts.Dec 10 00:26
schestowitzAt the bottom of YouTube pages I now get "Dec 10 00:26
schestowitzTry YouTube in a fast, new web browser!Dec 10 00:26
schestowitzDownload Google Chrome for LinuxDec 10 00:26
schestowitz"Dec 10 00:26
cubezzzMaybe Google could become Microsoft as it should have beenDec 10 00:26
oiaohmgoogle not a big threat.Dec 10 00:26
schestowitzNopeDec 10 00:26
schestowitzThere are many companies that pose a threatDec 10 00:26
schestowitzIBM for servers.. HP... AppleDec 10 00:26
oiaohmIf google was determined to do harm it would just not index there competitors.Dec 10 00:26
cubezzzmicrosoft spiders my site for bingDec 10 00:27
oiaohmOr burry them so deep in the list that no one would stand a hope of finding them.Dec 10 00:27
cubezzzand I'm pretty much a Linux siteDec 10 00:27
oiaohmYou do some searching on bing for some Linux stuff and you see exacty that going on.Dec 10 00:27
_goblinright im off for the night.....another early start....take care all.Dec 10 00:27
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Guest4689as long as google do not hurt standards and free choice...Dec 10 00:28
oiaohmGuest4689: google is interested in advertising.Dec 10 00:28
oiaohmAnd indexing.Dec 10 00:28
cubezzzok, search for cubeman on bing and tell me who is number one :)Dec 10 00:28
oiaohmNot following standards is a pain in the ass for them Guest4689Dec 10 00:28
Guest4689how I know thatDec 10 00:29
oiaohmfree choice no company can be trusted to 100 percent support that.Dec 10 00:29
Guest4689thats why I dont have a problem with googleDec 10 00:29
Guest4689for nowDec 10 00:29
oiaohmOther wise how do they sell there products good points.Dec 10 00:29
oiaohmWithout pointing out there flaws.Dec 10 00:29
cubezzzactually I'm a bit surprised at thatDec 10 00:30
oiaohmBasically there is a limitation to how good you can be.Dec 10 00:30
cubezzzI can't say I have any big problem with googleDec 10 00:30
cubezzzit's been pretty much all goodDec 10 00:30
Guest4689I mean, before google map, we were stuck on mapquestDec 10 00:31
oiaohmGoogle did keep a big set of Linux kernel alterations to themselvesDec 10 00:31
oiaohmCompany greed google is not free of it.Dec 10 00:31
oiaohmBut compared to MS is nothing.Dec 10 00:31
cubezzzI like Sharp and Panasonic tooDec 10 00:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thats me done for the night I think...Dec 10 00:32
oiaohmPart of the problem people have unrealisitce ideas about a free market.Dec 10 00:32
oiaohmthe true part of a free market some companies will get crushed in a process of fair competion for not staying ahead of the game.Dec 10 00:33
Guest4689no, it is mainly greed and monopolies that is corrupting a good free marketDec 10 00:33
oiaohmIts the companies that get crushed due to unfair competion.Dec 10 00:33
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091209/0039047258.shtmlDec 10 00:33
cubezzzI'm still kind of surprised that Microsoft took over so muchDec 10 00:34
oiaohmNot following standard and patents demanding too high of payment are too of the major causes of unfair competition.Dec 10 00:34
cubezzzit's taking forever to get back to normalDec 10 00:34
oiaohmcubezzz: I am not.Dec 10 00:34
oiaohmThe regulators did not act early.Dec 10 00:34
Guest4689the regulators were bought earlyDec 10 00:35
oiaohmAnd a lot of people did not care about the home/small business.Dec 10 00:35
cubezzzyeah, that was surprising to meDec 10 00:35
oiaohmNo Guest4689Dec 10 00:35
cubezzzthey were ready to break them upDec 10 00:35
Guest4689yes but then?Dec 10 00:35
cubezzzappeal I guessDec 10 00:35
oiaohm4 appeals in fact in the USA.Dec 10 00:36
cubezzzthe remedy was changed to something elseDec 10 00:36
oiaohmBut the action was still late.Dec 10 00:36
cubezzzI guess the states all got money or software in the endDec 10 00:36
Guest4689yup, they managed to stall the regulatory processDec 10 00:36
Guest4689like the iso processDec 10 00:36
Guest4689etc etcDec 10 00:36
oiaohmNot in the EU  Guest4689Dec 10 00:37
cubezzzis the EU stuff all resolved?Dec 10 00:37
oiaohmNop cubezzzDec 10 00:37
Guest4689well, the whole IE in EU is going to get stalled tooDec 10 00:37
oiaohmNot really Guest4689Dec 10 00:37
cubezzzthey have that windows7 with IE don't they?Dec 10 00:37
cubezzzwithout Dec 10 00:38
oiaohmIn the USA case MS threated to go off sore if MS kept the anti-trust case up Guest4689Dec 10 00:38
oiaohmMS did the same with the EUDec 10 00:38
oiaohmOnly one catch EU enforcement is more dog with bone.Dec 10 00:38
oiaohmEven if you run to another country they will try to prosecute you there.Dec 10 00:39
Guest4689any exemple to that?Dec 10 00:39
Guest4689at least with big $$ businessDec 10 00:39
schestowitzHmmmmmmm.. Grauniad is downDec 10 00:40
oiaohmWhen MS threated to close there EU offices.  The EU came to USA and got the USA courts to grant taking the fines directly out of the USA company of MS.Dec 10 00:40
cubezzzanyone from Europe know, that win7 is without IE?Dec 10 00:40
cubezzzor with?Dec 10 00:40
oiaohmcubezzz: it ment to have a ballet screen giving a user a selection at some point cubezzzDec 10 00:40
oiaohmCurrent dispute is what orderDec 10 00:40
schestowitzcubezzz: what's Win7?Dec 10 00:40
cubezzzwindows 7Dec 10 00:41
schestowitzAh, that *thing*...Dec 10 00:41
schestowitzI don't use Windows, everDec 10 00:41
schestowitzComputers should come with just hardwareDec 10 00:41
oiaohmGuest4689: basically EU has antitrust against you run you will die.Dec 10 00:41
schestowitzThen you can choose an OS with a Web browserDec 10 00:41
cubezzzyes, I would prefer that tooDec 10 00:42
schestowitzStill down....  http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/06/copenhagen-climate-change-himalayasDec 10 00:42
cubezzzthat's the way it was in the Kim-1 and Altair daysDec 10 00:42
schestowitzIf I go buy a vase I don't get Coke in itDec 10 00:42
oiaohmI think the EU plan it to pick on MS repeatly its profitable.Dec 10 00:42
schestowitzMaybe I want to put flowers in it, not water with acids and GM sugarDec 10 00:43
Guest4689roy: I'm stuck on XP...Dec 10 00:43
cubezzzI don't use windows for personal useDec 10 00:43
schestowitzGuest4689: Did you try restarting? :-)Dec 10 00:43
oiaohmI have not used windows for anything other than work for years.Dec 10 00:44
oiaohmAnd since I am a IT tech I really don't have an option.Dec 10 00:44
Guest4689thats for work, and that is what is anyoning meDec 10 00:44
cubezzzthat's the tough part, yesDec 10 00:44
oiaohmIT tech/network admin.... I basically have more titles than I really want.Dec 10 00:44
oiaohmScary one is data recovery expert.Dec 10 00:44
cubezzzif I go to chapters book store and use the computers there I am using doze Dec 10 00:44
Guest4689im kind of the unofficial IT guys too...Dec 10 00:44
cubezzzok, let me use Amiga as another example...Dec 10 00:45
Guest4689data recovery a great oneDec 10 00:45
Guest4689okDec 10 00:45
cubezzzAmiga had AmigaDOSDec 10 00:45
cubezzzyou didn't have a choice there eitherDec 10 00:45
oiaohmI get busted raid controllers and the like Guest4689Dec 10 00:45
oiaohmAnd nightmares of NAS's to get data out of.Dec 10 00:45
cubezzzlater on you could put Linux or BSD on the newer AmigasDec 10 00:45
cubezzzthe choice was not there initiallyDec 10 00:46
oiaohmYes NAS are the one time I am working with a multent Linux from hell.Dec 10 00:46
oiaohmSome nas's don't have firmware.Dec 10 00:46
Guest4689what about freenas?Dec 10 00:47
cubezzzin the 80's the choice I had was: whitebox PC, Amiga, Mac, Tandy, brand system PC, AtariDec 10 00:48
oiaohmFirmware something in the controller board to restart the system when the harddrive screwes up.Dec 10 00:48
oiaohmfreenas lives on the harddriveDec 10 00:48
oiaohmWithout it you have to pull the box appart put it into another computer write the disk in the right edlian so it works.Dec 10 00:48
oiaohmUse the wrong edlin it aint going anywhere.Dec 10 00:49
oiaohmDefined painful. GoDec 10 00:49
oiaohmGuest4689: Dec 10 00:49
Guest4689si?Dec 10 00:50
oiaohmAlso beware some modern day hardrives do the same crap problem as well.Dec 10 00:50
oiaohmSo when the harddrive plats screw up getting the data out is a real pain in the ass.Dec 10 00:50
oiaohmReal expensive pain in assDec 10 00:51
Guest4689ever played with SSD ?Dec 10 00:51
oiaohmIf you use that without a backup you should be shot Guest4689Dec 10 00:52
oiaohmYes there are ways of getting data out of non readable SSD.  But one you start doing it you scare the crap out of peopleDec 10 00:53
oiaohmLike grinding threw the out case to expose the chip inside.Dec 10 00:53
Guest4689I was simply asking out of curiosity how it worksDec 10 00:54
oiaohmMore often than not with SSD is broken wires.Dec 10 00:54
oiaohmYou hope on the out side of the chip.Dec 10 00:54
oiaohmAnd I do mean hope.Dec 10 00:54
oiaohmGrinding threw the cermic to get to the chip is not a fun job.Dec 10 00:55
Guest4689what about relability on experience?Dec 10 00:55
oiaohmMost 100 percent relablilbe unless exposed to windows with its writing errors.Dec 10 00:55
oiaohmUntil they go 100 percent splat.Dec 10 00:55
oiaohmIe mostly there is no half way with SSDDec 10 00:56
oiaohmHarddrives normally give warning before they go splat.Dec 10 00:57
oiaohmThat is if people watch the smart data on there drives.Dec 10 00:57
Guest4689lolDec 10 00:57
schestowitzoiaohm: or they just g "splat" vocallyDec 10 00:57
schestowitzClunking noisesDec 10 00:58
oiaohmNo normally smart data is off before the Clunking starts schestowitzDec 10 00:58
oiaohmNormally by about 4 weeks.Dec 10 00:58
oiaohmPlently of time to get a backup done if you are watching it.Dec 10 00:58
oiaohmNow of course I am presuming you are using sane drives like segates.  Not insane items like WD.Dec 10 00:59
Guest4689what you mean?Dec 10 00:59
oiaohmWD common cause of failure is fireware on harddrive getting a bad sector.Dec 10 00:59
oiaohmNote on harddrive.Dec 10 01:00
oiaohmThe controller in a WD drive is brain dead.Dec 10 01:00
oiaohmSo you cannot swap controllers between WD drives and expect them to work.Dec 10 01:00
oiaohmSegates have enough firmware in the controller that if you run seatools seatools can bring a segate back to life with a different controller board.Dec 10 01:01
oiaohmNote enough.  Without running seatools the drive can still play dead.Dec 10 01:02
schestowitzMicrosoft shills are not happy with my criticism that they cite... http://msdnrss.thecoderblogs.com/2009/12/09/microsoft-web-developer-summit-2009-wrap-up/Dec 10 01:03
phIRCe-localTitle: MSDN Blog Postings  » Blog Archive   » Microsoft Web Developer Summit 2009 Wrap Up .::. Size~: 18.53 KBDec 10 01:03
oiaohmBasically selection of drive is important to how recoverable your data is Guest4689Dec 10 01:03
oiaohmThey don't get it schestowitz MS lost the web battle so have to support PHPDec 10 01:05
Guest4689MS will be gone anyway in 5 years so just have to be patient...Dec 10 01:06
oiaohm2010 is going to be intesting.Dec 10 01:07
cubezzzthey are losing groundDec 10 01:07
oiaohmThat will tell us how many years MS has Guest4689Dec 10 01:07
Guest46895Dec 10 01:07
Guest4689maybe 4Dec 10 01:07
trmancooh php :DDec 10 01:07
oiaohmFew distributions are lining up to hit the MS SBS market Guest4689Dec 10 01:07
trmancosome say it sucks... but I like it :)Dec 10 01:08
cubezzzmaybe Google can get Linux computers in the storesDec 10 01:08
cubezzzthen, no more monocultureDec 10 01:08
oiaohmTake out the SBS market and MS is mostly a sitting duck.Dec 10 01:08
oiaohmMost common reason for using Windows is giving as the means to use outlook with exchange.Dec 10 01:09
oiaohmIn the business world.Dec 10 01:09
Guest4689that engineering softwaresDec 10 01:09
oiaohmIf the SBS market falls MS might be lucky to have 2 years left.Dec 10 01:10
Guest4689but I mean, technically, MS SBS is not hard to take down with something elseDec 10 01:10
oiaohmADS is missing and good replacement client cross platform Guest4689Dec 10 01:10
oiaohmKDE 4 for windows + what Samba is upto hello trouble.Dec 10 01:11
Guest4689?Dec 10 01:11
oiaohmBasically embrace Extend exteminate.Dec 10 01:11
Guest4689care to explain your point of view more clearlyDec 10 01:11
oiaohmKDE 4 for windows provide kontact and a lot of other good programs that run cross platform.Dec 10 01:12
oiaohmSo undoing most of Ms workflow lock in.Dec 10 01:12
Guest4689oh, QT4 apps on windowsDec 10 01:12
Guest4689thats what I'm currently trying to do at the officeDec 10 01:12
oiaohmSamba is bussy working on get a ADS server out the door.Dec 10 01:13
oiaohmA unlimited cal ADS server.Dec 10 01:13
oiaohmBy by cal counting for good Guest4689Dec 10 01:13
oiaohmMS is currently trying to build the next road block around sharepoint.Dec 10 01:14
Guest4689dont what to sound stupid, but what is an ADS server for you?Dec 10 01:14
oiaohmActive Directory Server the thing that hands out group policies and is able to trigger a windows machine to install software automaticaly Dec 10 01:15
Guest4689ah okDec 10 01:15
schestowitzphIRCe-local runs on PHPDec 10 01:16
Guest4689I tought their was already a few good tool on linux for that?Dec 10 01:16
schestowitzFor desktop stuff... some dude called Tony made itDec 10 01:16
oiaohmGuest4689: This is Linux controlling the windows clientsDec 10 01:16
trmancoLOOLDec 10 01:16
trmancosome dude hehDec 10 01:16
oiaohmNot Linux deciding to play nice in a windows network Guest4689Dec 10 01:16
schestowitzoiaohm: thus the rename of KDEDec 10 01:17
schestowitzSofwtare CompilationDec 10 01:17
schestowitzCause more programs will become x-plat like MozillaDec 10 01:17
oiaohmWe are going to see in 2010 a true closed vs open sourceDec 10 01:17
schestowitztrmanco: Tony Hawks, IIRCDec 10 01:18
oiaohmAnd the battle in 2010 is not going to have boarders.Dec 10 01:18
oiaohmCurrently most open source stuff is on Linux and most closed stuff is on windows.Dec 10 01:18
schestowitzAfrica knows what Rich Uncle from America is up to... http://blog.givewell.net/?p=437Dec 10 01:18
oiaohmAnd Mac OS X is in the gap of nothingness.Dec 10 01:18
Guest4689how, but I mean, it is actually possible to really managed windows desktops?...Dec 10 01:19
schestowitzoiaohm: Mac OS X is nicheDec 10 01:19
schestowitzMac OS X will stay strong in some tich countriesDec 10 01:19
schestowitz*richDec 10 01:19
oiaohmGuest4689: as good as ADS allows Ok not perfect.Dec 10 01:19
oiaohmFreeipa coming for Linux Solarais freebsd and Mac os makes ADS system look like crap.Dec 10 01:20
oiaohmMost people don't ever see what group policies in windows can do.Dec 10 01:21
trmancoschestowitz: LOLDec 10 01:21
schestowitzWhen you live in Nigeria with a 1.2 GHz CPU and no GPU, then Vista 7 means nothing to you (let alone Apple, which hardly exists anywhere)Dec 10 01:21
oiaohmLike having applications install and uninstall themselves from machines just because different users logged in Guest4689Dec 10 01:21
schestowitzIt's funny that Mac fans are deluded as to their generalisationDec 10 01:21
schestowitzThey extrapolateDec 10 01:21
Guest4689i cant wait for gnu jugglerDec 10 01:21
schestowitzAnd stupid lies about US market division they assume to be globalDec 10 01:22
trmancobetter use windows 7 in text modeDec 10 01:22
trmancoctrl+alt+back.... err right :| no killable X equivalent is there?Dec 10 01:22
oiaohmAlso most don't get that most of Linux life it has not tried proper for the desktop.Dec 10 01:22
oiaohmctrl+alt+backspace should be retired and replaced with SAK trmancoDec 10 01:22
trmancowindows tries to run as a unique "program" and that stinksDec 10 01:23
trmancoSAK?Dec 10 01:23
oiaohmOf course distributions would be too dump to assign kernel based SAK to ctrl+alt+backspace so users renalbe control+alt+backspace in X11 that does not work weellDec 10 01:23
oiaohmhttp://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/SAK.txtDec 10 01:24
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux Kernel Documentation :: SAK.txt .::. Size~: 27.03 KBDec 10 01:24
schestowitzHmmmm.. I've just realised something....Dec 10 01:24
oiaohmSAK the magical key combiatnio that kills everything linked to the current VT trmancoDec 10 01:24
schestowitzIn the panels in KDE, amarok icon has scroller actionsDec 10 01:24
oiaohmAnd I do mean everything.Dec 10 01:24
schestowitzIt controls volume for amarok like the volume controller does master volume (since years ago)Dec 10 01:24
oiaohmIf you ahve a textbased login screen it will terminate that as well.Dec 10 01:25
trmancofor thatDec 10 01:25
oiaohmanything locked up is dead meant.Dec 10 01:25
trmancowe have the magic key called sysrqDec 10 01:25
schestowitzmeat?Dec 10 01:25
trmancoon some letterDec 10 01:25
trmancoand*Dec 10 01:25
oiaohmsysrq has a SAK as well.Dec 10 01:25
oiaohmBut it not as memory clean.Dec 10 01:25
trmancoKDec 10 01:26
oiaohmAnd if the SAK's don't work nothing is going to work because the kernel has to be stuffed.Dec 10 01:26
schestowitzhttp://www.susegeek.com/general/linux-kernel-magic-sysrq-keys-in-opensuse-for-crash-recovery/Dec 10 01:26
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux Kernel Magic SysRq keys in openSUSE for crash recovery | SUSE & openSUSE .::. Size~: 42.22 KBDec 10 01:26
trmancoI used reisub today :|Dec 10 01:26
schestowitzsusegeek just froze... http://www.susegeek.com/Dec 10 01:27
phIRCe-localTitle: SUSE & openSUSE tutorials,howtos,tips,tricks, troublehooting .::. Size~: 39.31 KBDec 10 01:27
trmancoX died on me for some reason... black screen... it was due to firefox and quake... I could go to any tty's :|Dec 10 01:27
oiaohmYep that is where SAK is great trmancoDec 10 01:27
trmancoI didn't know about the K keyDec 10 01:28
oiaohmX11 zap depends on  X11 working.Dec 10 01:28
oiaohmVery unsafe presume.Dec 10 01:28
oiaohmI like how some distributions and people made out it was because users were hitting cntrl-alt-backspace by mistake.Dec 10 01:28
trmancothat wasn't workingDec 10 01:29
trmancoand I have zap activeDec 10 01:29
oiaohmIf you read the patch log is that cntrl-alt-backspace is not dependable.Dec 10 01:29
trmancoI think :|Dec 10 01:29
oiaohmAnd you should have sak setup instead.Dec 10 01:29
trmancoSection "ServerFlags"Dec 10 01:30
trmanco        Option  "DontZap"       "False"Dec 10 01:30
trmancoEndSectionDec 10 01:30
trmanco:)Dec 10 01:30
trmancoI'll use the 'k' key next timeDec 10 01:30
trmancoand see if it worksDec 10 01:30
oiaohmNo setup sak proper.Dec 10 01:30
oiaohmhttp://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/SAK.txt  Its assignable to what ever key combintion you like.Dec 10 01:31
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux Kernel Documentation :: SAK.txt .::. Size~: 27.03 KBDec 10 01:31
oiaohmAlso the sak I am point to does not need sysrq enabled in kernel trmancoDec 10 01:32
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oiaohmBasically distributions have failed to do the right thing when X11 zapping was removed.Dec 10 01:33
shreddarhttp://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/1996-01-17/Dec 10 01:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Dilbert comic strip for 01/17/1996 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. .::. Size~: 20.48 KBDec 10 01:33
shreddarLOL Scott Adams knew the deal.Dec 10 01:34
trmancoI seeDec 10 01:34
oiaohmHe could have known it first hand shreddarDec 10 01:34
oiaohmRemember the wessels you see in Dilbert comic strips was the job he use todo.Dec 10 01:35
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schestowitzThis is cool: http://www.mozilla-enigmail.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=424Dec 10 01:37
phIRCe-localTitle: Enigmail Forum • View topic - thunderbird 3 .::. Size~: 29.97 KBDec 10 01:37
schestowitzI'll probably move to TB3 in the morning....Dec 10 01:37
trmancohttp://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_32#head-11f54cdac41ad6150ef817fd68597554d9d05a5fDec 10 01:37
trmancothis sounds neatDec 10 01:37
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux 2 6 32 - Linux Kernel Newbies .::. Size~: 189.64 KBDec 10 01:37
oiaohmNo I want to shot that trmancoDec 10 01:38
trmancowhy?Dec 10 01:39
oiaohmRemember it builds exactly what is pluged in at the time.Dec 10 01:39
trmancoit makes my life a lot easier if I want to compile my own custom kernelDec 10 01:39
trmancoyesDec 10 01:39
oiaohmWhat about the network card or other item you decide to plugin the next day.Dec 10 01:40
trmancoif you add new hardware, load the distro kernel and compile it new one again :-PDec 10 01:40
trmancothe*Dec 10 01:40
oiaohmOr what I do.Dec 10 01:40
schestowitzhttp://pcplus.techradar.com/node/3147/Dec 10 01:40
phIRCe-localTitle: Sharma: Ubuntu Misses A Trick | PC Plus .::. Size~: 32.28 KBDec 10 01:40
oiaohmIs rip the harddrive out of one machine and drop in another and keep on going trmancoDec 10 01:40
schestowitzIt's like a repeat^Dec 10 01:40
trmancothat is not a good ideaDec 10 01:40
trmancoyes, it has it's disadvantagesDec 10 01:41
trmancobut it is not as bad as you seem to describe itDec 10 01:41
oiaohmLinux copes quite well with being rehomed as long as it has drivers.Dec 10 01:41
oiaohmAnd you take network cards with harddrive.Dec 10 01:41
oiaohmIt does not build items like USB video caputure drivers either trmancoDec 10 01:42
oiaohmLot of little things you can forget to have pluged use that option and have it kicking you.Dec 10 01:42
oiaohmThere need to be one extract and configure options of kernel right and then build all sane drivers as modules.Dec 10 01:43
shreddartrmanco I could've used  localmodconfig years ago.Dec 10 01:43
trmancoyesterday I had an interesting nightDec 10 01:43
trmancothe sun virtualbox kernel modules were inflating the kernel memory consumption by two timesDec 10 01:44
shreddarNow I don't hardware configurations and a nice update system means I won't have to.Dec 10 01:44
oiaohmThat reminds me I have to update the firmware on this machine so powermanagement works.Dec 10 01:45
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trmancoI even have some loaded modules that I don't know what they are forDec 10 01:49
trmancolike this oneDec 10 01:49
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trmancoohDec 10 01:52
trmancoprintingDec 10 01:52
trmanco:|Dec 10 01:52
trmancoI have no printerDec 10 01:52
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cubezzzI monitor my modules and noticed I have acm loadedDec 10 02:07
cubezzzodd, wasn't in there beforeDec 10 02:08
schestowitzSee you in the morningDec 10 02:09
cubezzzlaterDec 10 02:10
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cubezzzand something to do with the bios called dmi_scanDec 10 02:20
cubezzz"SM BIOS DMI Scanner"Dec 10 02:22
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shreddarHey Opera is kind of using my idea I had sort of.Dec 10 02:43
shreddarhttp://www.opera.com/browser/tips/?feature=visualtabsDec 10 02:43
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shreddarI don't like the implimentation but I like the idea of being able to replace tabs with something more transparent.Dec 10 02:44
DaemonFCshreddar: Opera really has never supported just tabsDec 10 02:47
DaemonFCthey dumbed down the MSI to make it easier for Mozilla users to graspDec 10 02:47
DaemonFCerrr MDI Dec 10 02:48
shreddarStupid Mozilla users...Dec 10 02:48
DaemonFCreally Opera has always supported multiple instances of the browser within one applicationDec 10 02:48
DaemonFCmade a hell of a lot more sense than opening up a new window for each pageDec 10 02:48
DaemonFCwhich is what all other browsers did, including Mozilla SuiteDec 10 02:49
shreddarI remeber using that when I first heard about it.Dec 10 02:49
DaemonFCespecially when you consider that Windows, before XP, had no taskbar groupingDec 10 02:49
DaemonFCIE or Netscape or Mozilla would crap up your taskbar rapidlyDec 10 02:49
shreddarBut then they started charging for it.Dec 10 02:50
DaemonFCall a tab is in Opera is the MDI window maximized by defaultDec 10 02:50
DaemonFCyou can switch it back to the old Opera <7 behavior easilyDec 10 02:50
DaemonFCshreddar: Yeah, Opera was 30 day shareware that cost $39 to register, which I paidDec 10 02:51
DaemonFCthen Opera 5 was $39 shareware -or- embedded ad bannerDec 10 02:51
shreddarI don't think Tabs or Windows are intuitive or transparent enough. Compared to webpage thumbnails that is.Dec 10 02:51
DaemonFCyou could get text ads from Google and the banner portion would never annoy you and was only half as bigDec 10 02:51
DaemonFCthen Opera 8 became freeware outrightDec 10 02:52
DaemonFCyou can still pay $39 for premium supportDec 10 02:52
DaemonFCI don't think many end users need that thoughDec 10 02:52
DaemonFCreally just a way of supporting them if you want to I supposeDec 10 02:53
DaemonFCwhen it was shareware, you got all point updates for that major version number, and the next major version was discountedDec 10 02:54
DaemonFCso I think I paid the $39 for Opera 3.x and then $19 for each version past thatDec 10 02:54
shreddarI also like the Wave concept for Mozilla's "reinventing the tabs in the browser" project.Dec 10 02:55
DaemonFCit was worth it to avoid IE, Netscape, and Mozilla (before someone there had the bright idea to throw in tabs and popup blocking)Dec 10 02:55
shreddarhttp://design-challenge.mozillalabs.com/summer09/Dec 10 02:55
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DaemonFCI don't think Mozilla is really doing a lot to improve the user experienceDec 10 02:56
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DaemonFCthey have a lot of marketingDec 10 02:56
shreddarI think the greatest think to happen back then was someone at Mozilla had the motivation to start a project to get ride of all the bloat ware browsers had sufferd from (some still do.)Dec 10 02:57
DaemonFCreally it seems that Firefox has not only stalled from the user experience point of view, but it's also a security hazardDec 10 02:57
DaemonFCit doesn't make any effort to protect itself or the OS from malicious plugins or extensionsDec 10 02:57
DaemonFCEven IE does that to some extentDec 10 02:58
yuhonghttp://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/09/2215253/Malware-Found-Hidden-In-Screensaver-On-Gnome-LookDec 10 02:58
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shreddarI see Chrome has been a reboot or restart of that idea.Dec 10 02:58
DaemonFCI like some things about Chrome, others just disturb meDec 10 02:58
DaemonFCI don't trust it, so I don't use itDec 10 02:58
yuhongI said once that Firefox plug-ins have the same fundemental security flaw as ActiveX.Dec 10 02:59
shreddarI don't blame you. Google does like to have more information than most people would be confortable giving away.Dec 10 03:00
DaemonFCshreddar: They go about taking it in small pieces that really don't set off alarms for most peopleDec 10 03:01
DaemonFCif they came out and told everyone what they were doing in plain English, people would feel differentlyDec 10 03:01
cubezzzwhy don't you trust Chrome?Dec 10 03:02
DaemonFCcubezzz: A number of reasonsDec 10 03:03
DaemonFCNo cookie control, no ad blocking mechanism, every letter you type in the address bar is sent to them for search suggestionsDec 10 03:04
DaemonFCfunnels you to Google sites where you sign in and forget your signed inDec 10 03:04
DaemonFCso now Google can personally profile you easierDec 10 03:04
DaemonFCif you look at the list of bad behavior in Chrome that SRWare Iron disables, you won't be comfortable with Chrome eitherDec 10 03:05
DaemonFC10 years ago, Chrome would have been flagged as spywareDec 10 03:05
DaemonFCthis whole silly consent thing is a red herring if all the bad behavior is on page 57 of the EULA in misleading legaleseDec 10 03:05
yuhongUltimately it is about how Google uses the info though.Dec 10 03:06
DaemonFCI suppose that if you have a law degree and sit there for an hour or so reading the EULA before you install Chrome, you've consentedDec 10 03:06
DaemonFCbut even then they make you agree that they can change what you agreed to with no further consent on your partDec 10 03:07
yuhongExcept that the word spyware did not exist in 1999.Dec 10 03:07
shreddarDaemonFC what do you think of Iron?Dec 10 03:08
yuhongAnd people do trust Google.Dec 10 03:08
DaemonFCwould you sign a contract that said "We can make any change we want to this contract at any time with no notification sent to you, and the changes are retroactive to the point you signed this contract"?Dec 10 03:08
cubezzzI trust them more than I trust Microsoft :)Dec 10 03:09
DaemonFCIron is a good alternative to Chrome for those who don't want the browser leaking all teir private information to Google like a sieveDec 10 03:10
yuhongYea, spyware often use the same tactic, but most of the spyware companies are much worse.Dec 10 03:10
shreddarI'm sure 15 years ago someone says "I trust Microsoft more than I trust IBM"Dec 10 03:10
cubezzzmaybe, but certainly not meDec 10 03:11
DaemonFCMicrosoft has been caught violating their own privacy policy quite a few timesDec 10 03:12
yuhongYea, that was another story I discussed in another IRC chat.Dec 10 03:12
DaemonFCespecially with regards to Windows Media PlayerDec 10 03:12
DaemonFCIE is the biggest privacy problem of all the programs bundled in Windows thoughDec 10 03:12
DaemonFCespecially IE 8Dec 10 03:12
DaemonFCreporting each website you visit and all file downloads to MicrosoftDec 10 03:13
yuhongI don't  use IE very often even on the Windows side now.Dec 10 03:13
DaemonFCIE 8 is probably the scariest (current) web browser out thereDec 10 03:14
cubezzzyuhong, same hereDec 10 03:14
cubezzzalthough I haven't used the windows for personal use since early 2003Dec 10 03:14
DaemonFCat least in Windows 7 you can turn it off and never see it againDec 10 03:15
yuhongI sometimes use Chrome, but more often use Firefox.Dec 10 03:15
shreddarThat reminds me of the reaction the IE9 announcment got from web developers.Dec 10 03:15
DaemonFCshreddar: I know I'll probably download the IE 9 betaDec 10 03:15
DaemonFCdoubt I'll use it for long thoughDec 10 03:16
shreddar"Just stop making browsers" "Just use webkit" "30% compliance. Pathetic!"Dec 10 03:16
DaemonFCI integrated IE 8 into my Windows XP discDec 10 03:17
DaemonFCthat and all the service packs and Media Player 11, and dozens of hotfixes :PDec 10 03:17
yuhongI use just plain Chrome when I do use Chrome, with none of the spying stuff disabled, in fact.Dec 10 03:17
cubezzz"write your own browser, write your own OS" :)Dec 10 03:19
cubezzzactually it wouldn't be too hard to make a text only browserDec 10 03:19
yuhongAFRIK Trident has a lot of legacy, that is why it takes so long to get the compliance rate up.Dec 10 03:20
yuhongBut many of it is needed for many IE-only intranet sites to run, and even then it is not perfect.Dec 10 03:21
cubezzzif it's IE only we don't need itDec 10 03:22
shreddar“Every line of code that is written to our standards is a small victory; every line of code that is written to any other standard, is a small defeat.”Dec 10 03:23
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Diablo-D3hehDec 10 03:24
Diablo-D3there arent many msie only anythings left.Dec 10 03:24
Diablo-D3too many companies run linux or osx internallyDec 10 03:24
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DaemonFCDiablo-D3: making a site IE-only when it would be just as easy to make it work n anything is stupidDec 10 03:25
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DaemonFCyou just piss off your customersDec 10 03:25
DaemonFCyou still have to use a lot of conditionals to compensate for IE rendering bugsDec 10 03:26
DaemonFCbloat the hell out of your pagesDec 10 03:26
DaemonFCI'd like to see more sites telling people to get lost if they're using IE 6Dec 10 03:27
yuhongBut many of these IE-only sites are old, and the fact that MS defaults to compatiblity mode in IE 8 for intranet only sites shows just how common  they are.Dec 10 03:28
shreddarI'd like more sites telling people to use Chrome Frame or a another browser if they're using IE period.Dec 10 03:28
shreddarEspecially when the video element become viable.Dec 10 03:28
yuhongYep, Google first used it in their own beta of Wave.Dec 10 03:28
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DaemonFCChrome Frame actually caused an IE vulnerabilityDec 10 03:31
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Yet another #Photographer harassed in the UK by #douchebag cops http://ur1.ca/hgjz #policestateDec 10 03:31
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shreddarI heard that. But how does that compare to all the vulnerabilities caused by Flash or some other ActiveX plugin?Dec 10 03:32
shreddarI also don't know how serious a threat any Chrome Frame vulnerability is compared to all the stuff IE users already deal with.Dec 10 03:36
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] City of Indianapolis admits to illegal and criminal activity http://ur1.ca/hgk6Dec 10 03:36
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck is a #douchebag AND works for a gold broker http://ur1.ca/hgk9Dec 10 03:36
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #WellsFargo is a bunch of #douchebags and hate animals http://ur1.ca/hgkeDec 10 03:46
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Omar87http://bbspot.com/News/2001/06/gates.htmlDec 10 03:47
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Malware found in third party screensaver for Gnome in a .deb http://ur1.ca/hgm0 !DebianDec 10 04:11
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DaemonFCChome Frame makes IE much more dangerousDec 10 04:16
DaemonFCyou now have all the vulnerabilities of two rendering engines, and Chrome Frame doesn't even use the Low Privilege IE stuff at allDec 10 04:16
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] $70,000 Stargate Atlantis home theatre http://ur1.ca/hgmb !miotdDec 10 04:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] GPL Release of malayala Grandha Vivaram, #malayalam #bibliographic database is today 4.30@ NewCosmopolitan Club Thalassery http://tr.im/HbqjDec 10 04:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Old computers 'hindering' tax recovery - No doubt MS have just the solution http://tinyurl.com/yb64rvzDec 10 04:51
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] GPL Release of മലയാളഗ്രന്ഥവിവരം #മലയാളം പോസ്റ്റ് http://tr.im/HbyXDec 10 05:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Pramode ce's new #Python & #LaTeX book to be used as a text for the BSc Informatics paper of Calicut University http://tr.im/HbzWDec 10 05:11
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Democrats trying to kill public option http://ur1.ca/hgqr #douchebagsDec 10 05:46
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] H.R. 4173, "The Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act." will protect the Federal Reserve http://ur1.ca/hgqt #douchebags #politicsDec 10 05:51
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DaemonFCThe Bible Collection: Greatest Stories of All TimeDec 10 06:31
DaemonFCgood titleDec 10 06:31
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @chromatic: What a shame TPF's grant to improve learn.perl.org can't actually go on learn.perl.org: http://ur1.ca/hgx5 #perlDec 10 08:36
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schestowitzhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1027973 " Database error"Dec 10 08:46
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JellyKernelGood news:Dec 10 09:04
schestowitzHeyDec 10 09:04
schestowitzWhat's up?Dec 10 09:04
JellyKernelA new unit about Open source software will open at university in parisDec 10 09:05
JellyKernelhttp://www.zdnet.fr/blogs/l-esprit-libre/naissance-du-centre-de-formation-logiciels-libres-universite-numerique-paris-ile-de-france-39711426.htm?xtor=RSS-8Dec 10 09:05
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JellyKernelfrench link sorry :)Dec 10 09:05
JellyKernelCan't seem to find an english versionDec 10 09:08
JellyKernelAnyway, that just made my day :)Dec 10 09:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hmmm.... few themes for Thunderbird have been updated to 3.0Dec 10 09:28
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Fortune of the Day: "Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it should be hard to understand".Dec 10 09:31
schestowitzOK, I'm settled in new TBDec 10 09:35
schestowitzVery very few themes are compatibleDec 10 09:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] There is only one annoying bug in my build of Thunbderbird 3. Settings window shows up blank.Dec 10 10:21
schestowitzhttp://whatwillweuse.com/2009/12/07/talking-to-the-800-pound-gorilla/Dec 10 10:21
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schestowitzAT&T to choke your iPhone http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/att_to_throttle_mobile_bandwidth/ AT&T: Tighter control of cell data usage ahead http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iO1Mbl089JyTchsnJotLL9TR9e7AD9CFT3T80Dec 10 10:27
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schestowitzLess joy for hype-phone usersDec 10 10:27
kecskebakschestowitz: This is a good article about what we were talking about yesterday: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16467Dec 10 10:32
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schestowitzhttp://openboxeebox.com/d-link-tips-linux-based-boxee-box/Dec 10 10:39
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schestowitzSo it runs Linux after allDec 10 10:40
schestowitzoiaohm said it could be freebsd, but no...Dec 10 10:40
kecskebakThe Linux Canuck blog is the best discussion of Mono I've ever read.Dec 10 10:42
kecskebakI'm really glad you linked to it that articleDec 10 10:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] #Ubuntu EMEA Membership Board looking for a new !Ubuntu member to join us. http://bit.ly/5UO1PnDec 10 10:55
Diablo-D3lol ubuntuDec 10 11:02
MinceRlol diabloDec 10 11:05
Diablo-D3what? lol ubuntu.Dec 10 11:05
cubezzzok, as for climate change, Toronto had no snow in NovemberDec 10 11:10
cubezzzand as far as I know, that's never happened since records were keptDec 10 11:11
Diablo-D3fuck, we're fucked! fuck!Dec 10 11:13
cubezzzactually I don't mind _not_ shovelling snowDec 10 11:13
Diablo-D3yes, but no snow FOREVER?!Dec 10 11:13
cubezzzwe do have snow at the momentDec 10 11:14
cubezzzprobably in your state too :)Dec 10 11:14
Diablo-D3yes, it snowed a few days agoDec 10 11:15
cubezzzI thought most of the world's glacier's were shrinking pretty fastDec 10 11:16
cubezzzso I don't quite understand this report that seems to say everything is fineDec 10 11:16
cubezzzmy understanding is that winters are warmer now than say 1850'sDec 10 11:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Will Intel Really Buy nVIDIA? http://ur1.ca/hha8 After nVIDIA's verbal attacks on Intel?Dec 10 11:17
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cubezzz"The concentrations of CO2 and methane have increased by 36% and 148% respectively since the mid-1700s"Dec 10 11:21
Diablo-D3well, I know where the methane came fromDec 10 11:21
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: Will #Intel Really Buy #nVIDIA? http://ur1.ca/hha8 After nVIDIA's verbal attacks on Intel?Dec 10 11:21
Diablo-D3cows.Dec 10 11:21
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cubezzzyou listen to guys like David Suzuki and it seems like the situation is direDec 10 11:25
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Diablo-D3cubezzz: who?Dec 10 11:25
cubezzzthen another scientist (like the one in that link) seems to say "everything is fine"Dec 10 11:25
Diablo-D3no, Im on the fence with global warmingDec 10 11:26
cubezzzDiablo-D3, Canadian science and environmental activistDec 10 11:26
Diablo-D3what Im against is dumping shit into the environmentDec 10 11:26
cubezzzhe probably doesn't get much TV time in the U.S.Dec 10 11:26
cubezzzhe's got all sorts of honorary degrees, including one from Unity CollegeDec 10 11:28
cubezzzI don't think it's gotten colder than -24C since I've kept temperature recordsDec 10 11:30
cubezzzthat is 2003 -> nowDec 10 11:30
cubezzznot at the closest weather station anywayDec 10 11:31
Ender2070climategate!Dec 10 11:31
cubezzz-20C is pretty cold thoughDec 10 11:32
Ender2070I think global warming is an excuse to bring in tyrannyDec 10 11:32
cubezzzI've been out in that and it's not pleasantDec 10 11:32
kecskebakYou have huge and powerful energy companies on one side that have a vested interest in saying it's not happening, but then financial institutions that have an interest in saying it's happening (like here http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16473). Makes it a bit hard to know what's happening.Dec 10 11:32
Ender2070if it exists or notDec 10 11:32
cubezzzit seems things are getting a bit warmer thoughDec 10 11:33
Ender2070i've heard the sun is getting hotterDec 10 11:33
Ender2070which has caused all the planets to warm upDec 10 11:33
cubezzzit makes sense to conserve fossil fuelsDec 10 11:34
Ender2070you really just have to see what side the Government/UN is on, and be skeptical of their claimsDec 10 11:34
cubezzzeven if you don't believe in global warmingDec 10 11:34
Ender2070yes i agreeDec 10 11:34
Ender2070it also doesnt hurt to replace all old lightbulbs with energy saving bulbsDec 10 11:35
cubezzzI see tons of people in cars by themselvesDec 10 11:35
Ender2070I switched all my 60w's to 13w's when I movedDec 10 11:35
cubezzzyes, my next computer will be more energy efficientDec 10 11:35
Diablo-D3hehDec 10 11:35
kecskebakAnd not use shrink wrapped proprietary operating systems to save energy and paper :)Dec 10 11:35
Diablo-D3I refuse to use flourecents until they fix themDec 10 11:35
Ender2070i dont think they are flourecentDec 10 11:36
cubezzzwhite LEDs are even betterDec 10 11:36
Ender2070LED bulbs IIRCDec 10 11:36
Ender2070brighter than my old 60w's tooDec 10 11:36
Diablo-D3no one has produced a LED housing that stops the focused light problemDec 10 11:36
Ender2070they are still brighter and more efficientDec 10 11:37
Diablo-D3thats the problem, they're brighter.Dec 10 11:37
cubezzznothing is as good as the sun of courseDec 10 11:37
Ender2070thats not usually a problemDec 10 11:37
Ender2070go even lower voltageDec 10 11:37
Diablo-D3instead of having a very diffused light that lights your room, you just have a dark room with a bright bulb in the middle.Dec 10 11:37
Ender2070nooooDec 10 11:37
Ender2070thats not what happensDec 10 11:37
Diablo-D3a LED is not a black body emitter, so its an issueDec 10 11:37
Diablo-D3Ender2070: yes, thats exactly what happensDec 10 11:37
Ender2070you want a picture?Dec 10 11:38
Diablo-D3I have not been pleased with any LED bulb on the marketDec 10 11:38
Diablo-D3dude, Ive already gone that routeDec 10 11:38
Diablo-D3I wont buy them until they fix themDec 10 11:38
Ender2070the ones  I have use spiraling tubesDec 10 11:38
cubezzzI've got fluorescent tubes like the schools have hereDec 10 11:38
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yeah, those suckDec 10 11:38
Ender2070i got the exact same light with my 13w that I do with 60wDec 10 11:38
Diablo-D3they're all one or two phosphor bulbsDec 10 11:38
Diablo-D3Ender2070: uh, thats a flourecent bulbDec 10 11:39
cubezzzDiablo-D3, what are you using?Dec 10 11:39
Ender2070thats why i said "IIRC"Dec 10 11:39
Ender2070lolDec 10 11:39
Diablo-D3cubezzz: high end incandescentDec 10 11:39
Ender2070my ceiling light has a dome which I believe does what you likeDec 10 11:39
Diablo-D3Ender2070: flourecents do not suffer from the problemDec 10 11:39
Diablo-D3only LEDs do.Dec 10 11:39
cubezzzI think he doesn't like the limited wavelengths with the LEDsDec 10 11:40
Ender2070so then it must be flourecentDec 10 11:40
Diablo-D3CFLs have the problem that the CRI is very lowDec 10 11:40
Diablo-D3cubezzz: noDec 10 11:40
Diablo-D3LEDs can produce actual 6500k light fineDec 10 11:40
Diablo-D3its they're too focusedDec 10 11:40
Diablo-D3no one has produced a cheap diffusing material to put the bulbs inDec 10 11:40
Ender2070im not sure on your housing conditions but mine make it pretty identical other than being slightly brighterDec 10 11:40
Diablo-D3Ender2070: the housing is the "bulb" the LEDs go inDec 10 11:41
Diablo-D3its the light itselfDec 10 11:41
cubezzzah, I seeDec 10 11:41
Diablo-D3most just use multiple LEDs in a single housing with some foggy or frosted plastic Dec 10 11:41
Diablo-D3it just doesnt workDec 10 11:41
Diablo-D3you end up with an extremely bright bulb and it doesnt light up anything.Dec 10 11:41
Ender2070ahh that makes senseDec 10 11:42
Diablo-D3black body radiators don't suffer from this issue (tungsten, halogen)Dec 10 11:42
cubezzzhttp://216.154.222.249/Dec 10 11:42
Diablo-D3and CFL don't due to how they're designed (a lot of tube)Dec 10 11:43
Diablo-D3CFLs however suffer from an entirely different problemDec 10 11:43
Diablo-D3the CRI is too lowDec 10 11:43
Ender2070http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Free-Software-Foundation-Drums-Up-Community-TeamDec 10 11:43
Ender2070FSF is looking for volunteersDec 10 11:43
Diablo-D3and there is no singular phosphor that can reproduce acceptably near 6500k light.Dec 10 11:43
cubezzzsomebody must have solved that problem with the LED lights Dec 10 11:44
Diablo-D3cubezzz: they "have"Dec 10 11:44
cubezzzthey've been around for a while Dec 10 11:44
Diablo-D3use extremely expensive and thick housing glassDec 10 11:45
Diablo-D3after you're done, you've pushed the efficiency down to CFL levels at five times the costDec 10 11:45
Diablo-D3LEDs are _perfect_ for focused lightDec 10 11:45
Diablo-D3if you need a bright dot that doesnt light up anything around it, LED is perfectDec 10 11:45
Diablo-D3activity lights, etcDec 10 11:45
Diablo-D3or flashlights with 3 or 5 watt LEDs and a directional mirror cone behind itDec 10 11:46
cubezzzyes, I have one of those Dec 10 11:46
Diablo-D3as do IDec 10 11:46
Diablo-D3I have several actuallyDec 10 11:46
cubezzzwhat about a room with lots of mirrors in it?Dec 10 11:46
Diablo-D3doesnt workDec 10 11:47
Diablo-D3you dont want to bounce itDec 10 11:47
Diablo-D3you want to diffuse itDec 10 11:47
Diablo-D3black body radiators do it through the intense heat they outputDec 10 11:47
Diablo-D3frosted incandescents increase the diffusing additionally, but its not enough for LEDsDec 10 11:49
Diablo-D3and CFLs frost themselves due to the phosphor coating on the insideDec 10 11:49
Diablo-D3back to the CFL issue, the CRI is too low....Dec 10 11:49
Diablo-D3[06:39:16] <Diablo-D3> and there is no singular phosphor that can reproduce acceptably near 6500k light.Dec 10 11:50
Diablo-D3you need about 5Dec 10 11:50
Diablo-D3it took the TV industry using 5 very expensive phosophors to do itDec 10 11:50
Diablo-D3so that the CRI was acceptably high and no wavelength segment was overrepresentedDec 10 11:50
Diablo-D3if you mass produced these as a bulb, it'd cost twice as much as a typical high end bulbDec 10 11:51
cubezzz"red surfaces being rendered particularly badly by typical phosphor based cool-white LEDs"Dec 10 11:52
Diablo-D3the CFL standalone bulbs with the shells around them that GE and Phillips cell use three, and the shell is an additional diffusorDec 10 11:52
Diablo-D3cubezzz: those are hilarious, btwDec 10 11:52
Diablo-D3they made all sorts of LED colors by making UV LEDs and coating them with phosphors, the kind you use in CFLsDec 10 11:52
cubezzz"LEDs do not approximate a “point source” of light, but rather a lambertian distribution. So LEDs are difficult to use in applications requiring a spherical light field"Dec 10 11:53
cubezzzseems obvious now Dec 10 11:53
Diablo-D3the problem is, the phosphors would wear out, or could be physically damaged if not protected rightDec 10 11:53
Diablo-D3thats how they made blue leds for awhileDec 10 11:53
Diablo-D3until they actually figured out how to make blue leds that didnt wear out easilyDec 10 11:53
Diablo-D3they make actual white light LEDs now that arent UV LEDs+phosphorsDec 10 11:54
Diablo-D3this is the kind that you see for TV and monitor LCD backlights, for exampleDec 10 11:54
cubezzzthey're even sticking leds in computer fans nowDec 10 11:55
Diablo-D3yeah, they use no powerDec 10 11:55
Diablo-D3btw, another problem with CFLsDec 10 11:55
Diablo-D3a lot of shitty bulbs take too long to warm upDec 10 11:56
cubezzzok you might find this interesting:Dec 10 11:56
cubezzz"Light can be used to transmit broadband data, which is already implemented in IrDA standards using infrared LEDs. Because LEDs can cycle on and off millions of times per second, they can, in effect, become wireless routers for data transport"Dec 10 11:56
Diablo-D3lolololDec 10 11:56
Diablo-D3irda went in, and went back outDec 10 11:56
Diablo-D3cubezzz: they quit making irda devices back in the late 90sDec 10 11:58
cubezzzI have used irda, but not for broadbandDec 10 11:58
cubezzzno, not soDec 10 11:58
Diablo-D3"broadband" in that case is like 16mbit/secDec 10 11:58
cubezzzmy zaurus has irda and it's 2002Dec 10 11:58
cubezzzthey may have stopped now, I don't knowDec 10 11:58
Diablo-D3they haveDec 10 11:59
cubezzzdo modern motherboards have irda, I suppose no?Dec 10 11:59
Diablo-D3"no"Dec 10 11:59
Diablo-D3mobos and laptops that had it hijacked a serial portDec 10 11:59
Diablo-D3so you'd plug the irda header into the serial portDec 10 12:00
cubezzzyesDec 10 12:00
Diablo-D3and then somehow your OS knew about it or some shitDec 10 12:00
Diablo-D3they had irda shit on usb tooDec 10 12:01
cubezzzok, wikipedia seems to confirm what we are both saying:Dec 10 12:01
cubezzz"IrDA was popular on laptops and some desktops during the late 90s through the early 2000s"Dec 10 12:01
*Diablo-D3 looksDec 10 12:01
Diablo-D3hah, wikipedia also says bluetooth replaced itDec 10 12:02
Diablo-D3yup, it didDec 10 12:02
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cubezzzsometimes used where radio based technologies are unusableDec 10 12:03
cubezzzso you could use it as a backup data sourceDec 10 12:03
cubezzzor something :)Dec 10 12:03
Diablo-D3except nothing supports it anymoreDec 10 12:03
Diablo-D3and its slow as fuckDec 10 12:03
cubezzzsometimes I use a remote on my computerDec 10 12:04
Diablo-D3yes, but thats not irdaDec 10 12:04
Diablo-D3although all irda devices can also do it if you want toDec 10 12:05
cubezzzI didn't get into it too heavilyDec 10 12:06
cubezzzit's Actisys IR200L Dec 10 12:06
cubezzzConsumer IRDec 10 12:06
Diablo-D3its just boring shitDec 10 12:07
Diablo-D3I can plug an IR receiver into my computer and use basically any universal remote with itDec 10 12:07
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/droid-unlocked/Dec 10 12:08
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schestowitzWow. It's taking me hours to find ways of doing in TB3 when I used to do in 2.0Dec 10 12:09
cubezzzthere were even cdroms with IRDA I heardDec 10 12:09
cubezzzIR printers tooDec 10 12:09
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schestowitzhttp://microsofttaxdodge.com/2009/12/sometimesdailyamanda-congdon-reports-on-microsoft.htmlDec 10 12:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Overall, Thunderbird 3 is a worthy upgrade. Some few hassles with plugins but much better altogetherDec 10 12:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] the venue of the function is in gundert road, dr herman gundert is the author of first #malayalam #dictionaryDec 10 12:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Malayala grandhavivaram , bibliographic database is mainly based on the work of sri km govi , a pioneer in the field of indic bibligraphyDec 10 12:34
cubezzzinteresting that washington state is complainingDec 10 12:35
schestowitzBattery made of paper charges up http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8401566.stmDec 10 12:36
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schestowitzcubezzz: well overdueDec 10 12:37
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/ellison_mysql_compromise/Dec 10 12:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The bibliography is based upon the data collection from km govi's work, brannan college library, different districts and local library indexDec 10 12:38
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Omar87__Hi all.Dec 10 12:38
Omar87__I have this slight technical question.Dec 10 12:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] "thalassery fortunate to have first malayalam printing press and bibliographer like sri km govi" mp balakrishnan #smc #malayalamDec 10 12:39
Omar87__Is there a free and easy way I can allow other people to remotely access my localhost to check out the Plone site I'm currently working on?Dec 10 12:40
Diablo-D3Omar87__: uh, hand out your IPDec 10 12:40
Omar87__huh?Dec 10 12:40
Omar87__Do I just give them my IP?Dec 10 12:40
Diablo-D3yes, and NAT the port you want to your workstationDec 10 12:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The new search feature in Thunderbird (my Web browser too) is fantastic. It's a real "killer feature"Dec 10 12:41
Omar87__How do I NAT it?Dec 10 12:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] database contains #malayalam bibliography data from 1772 onwards. Now we formed a task force to release updates in every 6 months #smcDec 10 12:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The release have 4 components . Qt based cd, django based website, bibliography database, ddc based classification method by kh hussainDec 10 12:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Qt based cd and django based website is implimented by @kpnunni and @freemahesh from kriyate.in and #smcDec 10 12:50
Omar87__r u there?Dec 10 12:52
Omar87__Diablo-D3: ?Dec 10 12:52
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/184073/mozillas_thunderbird_email_client_comes_with_tabs.htmlDec 10 12:52
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schestowitzIt doesn't do rss in tabs thoughDec 10 12:53
schestowitzSo ThunderBrowse is still neededDec 10 12:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mgs narayanan pointing about sri km govi's involment in public #library movement. #bibliography #malayalam #smcDec 10 12:53
schestowitzhttp://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4760Dec 10 12:54
phIRCe-localTitle: Speeding up the site | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 49.92 KBDec 10 12:54
schestowitzHmmm... I doubt he has much load anyayDec 10 12:54
schestowitz*anywayDec 10 12:54
Diablo-D3Omar87__: use your routerDec 10 12:55
Omar87__Diablo-D3: ahaDec 10 12:56
Omar87__Diablo-D3: thanks.Dec 10 12:56
Diablo-D3Omar87__: btw, dont use port 80 as the outside IPDec 10 12:56
Diablo-D3erDec 10 12:56
Diablo-D3outside portDec 10 12:56
Diablo-D3most ISPs block itDec 10 12:56
Diablo-D3you can nat from, say, 8888 to the inside port of 80Dec 10 12:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] WTF @mangalat welcomes me as gunda of foss community (in lighter vein)Dec 10 12:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mgs narayanan talks about knowledge sharing practice and #copyright in literature traditionDec 10 13:00
schestowitzI spent like 2 hours on Thunderbird this morning... more than anticipated...Dec 10 13:00
schestowitzThe search feature is an amazing addition and although all the crucial plug-ins are compatible, themes are not. In fact, very few themes are made compatible (as of yet). Like a handful...Dec 10 13:00
schestowitzI can't manage to make URLs open within the same tabs the way i like itDec 10 13:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mgs narayanan talks about knowledge sharing practice and #copyright in literature tradition #malayalagrandhamDec 10 13:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SD cards now infected with Microsoft patent extortion. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/03/sd_4_roadmap/Dec 10 13:06
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Resending @mtah: Can you separate a programming language inventor from a serial killer? Take the quiz :) http://ur1.ca/hhlg !loDec 10 13:06
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL, obama is talking about war on receiving nobel peace price .Dec 10 13:06
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] s/price/prizeDec 10 13:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: The SMC team is working on a bibliographic db of all books published in Malayalam between 1772 and 2000... http://ow.ly/KxRBDec 10 13:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mgs narayanan: "share your knowledge and free licence your work: way to make your life more meaningful" #malayalagrandham [ed]Dec 10 13:14
oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-finally-open-sources-Windows-7-USB-tool-881853.html  Took long enoughDec 10 13:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/yet-more-malware-found-on-gnome-look.htmlDec 10 13:21
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schestowitzoiaohm: does that matter?Dec 10 13:21
schestowitzThey had toDec 10 13:22
trmancohttp://projectkickass.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sdfg.jpgDec 10 13:24
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trmancohttp://imgur.com/hKJp2.pngDec 10 13:24
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @copycense: Following movie industry, publishers to stagger releases & embargo e-books by 4 months http://bit.ly/8ZugabDec 10 13:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament´s Legal Affairs Committee JURI webpage full of dead links, this website is a disaster: http://i5.be/X0Dec 10 13:30
trmancohttp://toki-woki.net/p/scroll-clock/Dec 10 13:35
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Resending @rms: Is religion symptomatic of deeper problems? http://ur1.ca/hhmmDec 10 13:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] kh hussain, the project lead explained about the technologies process and classification system #malayalagrandhamDec 10 13:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Tp rajeevan , writer, poet , novelist and screenplay writer , released malayalagrandham.com #malayalagrandhamDec 10 13:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Tp rajeevan speaks about the power decentralisation through community efforts and free licensing of bibliographic db #malayalagrandhamDec 10 14:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] tprajeevan points about the possible privatising of bibliographic work like km govi's and points how this ensures the protection of dataDec 10 14:09
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*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSk78fnKajEDec 10 14:35
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] RS @richardsmedley: "We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable." http://bit.ly/7I1Mxv (via @imran)Dec 10 14:36
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*amarsh04 is trying to figure out how to extract more honest and open behaviour from his electricity utilityDec 10 14:37
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trmancothe kernel dudes are really getting into graphics -> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc4OQDec 10 14:51
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schestowitzOn horoscopes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hig74yhS3SA&NR=1Dec 10 14:54
schestowitzNeil Tyson: If you're scientifically literate the world looks very different to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypTAxLTU24c&NR=1Dec 10 14:57
Diablo-D3trmanco: the kernel dudesDec 10 14:58
Diablo-D3erDec 10 14:58
Diablo-D3trmanco: the kernel dudes arentDec 10 14:58
Diablo-D3DRM isnt "part of the kernel"Dec 10 14:58
Diablo-D3drm is very much part of mesaland, and the kernel guys have no choice but to accept changes from themDec 10 14:59
schestowitzYeah, I reckoned kernel means more than just the kernel now though...Dec 10 15:02
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o2_U0ggvb8&feature=related such a sharp contrast to religious ceremonies like Jackson memorialDec 10 15:02
Diablo-D3I just wish they'd fucking get GLSL working on my radeonDec 10 15:08
amarsh04which model do you have Diablo-D3?Dec 10 15:14
Diablo-D34850.Dec 10 15:14
amarsh04do you lurk in #radeonhd?Dec 10 15:14
Diablo-D3now and then.Dec 10 15:14
amarsh04ah ok... I've found it tedious trying to build test versions of code for my on-board radeon 3200hdDec 10 15:15
Diablo-D3tedious? use a script.Dec 10 15:16
trmancoI seeDec 10 15:16
amarsh04most of it is scripted, just not building stuff into debian packages that can be uninstalled cleanlyDec 10 15:17
Diablo-D3ahh, when I was doing that I didnt bother.Dec 10 15:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Does #Microsoft Decide for the World? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/10/sap-oracle-lobby-round-2/Dec 10 15:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gates / #Microsoft #Tax Dodge and Agriculture #Monopoly Revisited http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/10/tax-reifman-progress/Dec 10 15:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] it seems they [EPO] are at least willing to entertain that the implementation of this business method might be patentable: http://i5.be/X7Dec 10 16:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Amazon Oneclick patent cousin at the EPO, a rant by Glyn Moody, note that the FFII press release on this is still pending: http://i5.be/X8Dec 10 16:25
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schestowitzOK, let's look at some more news...Dec 10 16:42
schestowitzQuiet today... and BN's server is knackered much of the time. Taking over a minute to load some pages up...Dec 10 16:42
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schestowitzHmmmmm... still server issuesDec 10 16:50
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wallcSome great postings today on BN!Dec 10 17:14
schestowitzOh, really?Dec 10 17:16
schestowitzI thought they suckedDec 10 17:16
schestowitzI was in an iffy mood  when writing themDec 10 17:16
wallcHuh?Dec 10 17:16
schestowitzYeah.Dec 10 17:16
schestowitzSpent too much time with Thunderbird todayDec 10 17:17
schestowitzAnd it still doesn't do some things it used toDec 10 17:17
wallcWell, I thought there was some good information...Dec 10 17:17
schestowitzI'm relieved to hearDec 10 17:18
schestowitzWe also had server issuesDec 10 17:18
schestowitzWhich is always ouchyDec 10 17:18
wallcI've rarely used Thunderbird, it seemed too much like outlook...Dec 10 17:18
schestowitzIt's a deficiency in the design of one plugin...Dec 10 17:19
schestowitzIn both casesDec 10 17:19
schestowitzBN and ThunderbirdDec 10 17:19
wallcI noticed it took a very long time to open the BN pages for a while this morning...Dec 10 17:19
schestowitzI use Thunderbird as my browserDec 10 17:19
schestowitzAnd BN uses WordPress, which is a performance issue associated with threaded commentsDec 10 17:20
wallcThunderbird as your browser?  Dec 10 17:20
schestowitzThunderBrowse, an extension to itDec 10 17:20
wallcAhhhDec 10 17:20
schestowitzPages as messagesDec 10 17:21
schestowitzI don't know how I ever lived without itDec 10 17:21
schestowitzI thought TB's implementation of tabs would not apply just to mailDec 10 17:21
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wallcI can see how it would be useful...Dec 10 17:22
schestowitzIt depends on one's pattern of useDec 10 17:24
schestowitzFor me it's a lot of news-based browsingDec 10 17:24
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wallcThis is probably a dumb question...but does TB keep each web page as if it were an email message?Dec 10 17:28
schestowitzIt can, yesDec 10 17:28
schestowitzBut it's a pointer to a pageDec 10 17:28
wallcok...now I have to try it and see for myself.  :o) Dec 10 17:29
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schestowitzIs there a BSD version for you?Dec 10 17:30
Ender2070hey schestowitzDec 10 17:31
Ender2070http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Free-Software-Foundation-Drums-Up-Community-TeamDec 10 17:31
Ender2070why dont you join upDec 10 17:32
schestowitzIs there a joining option?Dec 10 17:32
schestowitzI thought it was just a general new wiki pageDec 10 17:32
Ender2070http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Community_TeamDec 10 17:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBDec 10 17:33
Ender2070follow the instructionsDec 10 17:33
schestowitzYeah, I saw that. I'm not an FSF memberDec 10 17:33
Ender2070gotta get into the mailing list: http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsf-community-teamDec 10 17:33
Ender2070i dont think you have to beDec 10 17:34
schestowitzI'll look at it laterDec 10 17:34
Ender2070i didnt read that anywhereDec 10 17:34
schestowitzBut I'm not associated with themDec 10 17:34
Ender2070you dont have to be, they are looking for fresh people :)Dec 10 17:34
Ender2070some of the people who have applied were funny, lol they called it "open source"Dec 10 17:34
schestowitz:-)Dec 10 17:34
schestowitzOpen soars!Dec 10 17:34
Ender2070i dont think those people will get in, lolDec 10 17:34
schestowitzI get that on Web pages tooDec 10 17:35
schestowitzView > page sourceDec 10 17:35
schestowitz=open sourceDec 10 17:35
schestowitzUnder-da-Kimono sourceDec 10 17:35
Ender2070lolDec 10 17:38
schestowitzThere seems to be an issue with identica right nowDec 10 17:39
schestowitzlagDec 10 17:39
Ender2070"You miss the point. Using software is kind of like using a drug which gives you magical super powers, the power to instantly communicate, to write without ink and to manipulate the digital world."Dec 10 17:40
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Ender2070such a strange analogyDec 10 17:43
schestowitzNot strange, abnormal :-)Dec 10 17:45
Ender2070http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/fsf-community-team/2009-12/msg00020.htmlDec 10 17:45
phIRCe-localTitle: Re: [fsf-community-team] Re: Welcome to the "fsf-community-team" mailin .::. Size~: 8.28 KBDec 10 17:45
Ender2070found it on the webDec 10 17:46
Ender2070mine is there tooDec 10 17:46
DaemonFCthe health bill has decayed into a giant tax, a killing of Medicare, and the punishment for not buying expensive insurance from for profit companiesDec 10 17:48
DaemonFCwoohooDec 10 17:48
DaemonFCthe "public plan" is now just a government-approved private insurance plan where the companies involved still get to skim their usual 20% overheadDec 10 17:49
DaemonFCMedicare for everyone would have only had 1% overheadDec 10 17:49
DaemonFCwith 99% of the money going towards careDec 10 17:49
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DaemonFCMedicare works differently from insurance in the way of paying for necessary procedures without arguing with you and trying to make you pay for all of it plus your premiumsDec 10 17:51
DaemonFC:DDec 10 17:51
DaemonFCmy aunt and grandmother both have Medicare and not once has any necessary procedure been deniedDec 10 17:52
DaemonFCI've had private health insurance and had to fight with them over everythingDec 10 17:52
DaemonFCthey even tried telling me that a sinus infection was a pre-existing conditionDec 10 17:55
Ender2070http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/fsf-community-team/2009-12/msg00025.html <--mineDec 10 18:00
phIRCe-localTitle: [fsf-community-team] Hi Everyone - Brandon L from Canada .::. Size~: 11.37 KBDec 10 18:00
schestowitzL for LinuxDec 10 18:04
schestowitzbad move, mateyDec 10 18:04
Ender2070lolDec 10 18:04
schestowitzI bet Richard sharpens his beard as we speakDec 10 18:06
Ender2070hahahahaDec 10 18:07
Ender2070I've talked to RMS via emailDec 10 18:08
Ender2070I *might* be responsible for him bringing up Mono at the time he didDec 10 18:08
Ender2070actually, this is conclusive I just went over the emails I had with himDec 10 18:12
Ender2070so i hope he remembers this when going over theseDec 10 18:13
Ender2070I asked him about FSF Canada too as I wanted to be involved but he said there wasnt a branch for Canadians due to tax laws for non profits (people's donations are non-deductable)Dec 10 18:14
schestowitzYears laterDec 10 18:24
schestowitzThat's why i'm not agreeing with them some of the timeDec 10 18:24
Ender2070years later?Dec 10 18:24
schestowitzThey were too late to wake up re MonoDec 10 18:24
schestowitz /s/later/late/Dec 10 18:25
Ender2070to be honest i didnt wake up till recentlyDec 10 18:25
schestowitzThe FSF is too restrainedDec 10 18:25
Ender2070theres too much information to keep tabs onDec 10 18:25
schestowitzIt's being "diplomatic", but TBH, I don't do that BS... I say things as they areDec 10 18:25
schestowitzNo 'political' barriers to saying the obviousDec 10 18:26
Ender2070they rely on people like us informing them as wellDec 10 18:26
schestowitzWell, the thing is,..Dec 10 18:26
schestowitzGNU needs sponsorsDec 10 18:26
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schestowitzAnd they have companies like Sun and IBM giving them moneyDec 10 18:26
schestowitzSo it limits their behaviouirDec 10 18:26
schestowitz*iourDec 10 18:26
Ender2070not entirelyDec 10 18:26
schestowitzPeople describe RMS as rude, but he's the oppositeDec 10 18:27
Ender2070Sun can't be giving them too much money ^_^Dec 10 18:27
schestowitzI don't know what he was like decades ago, but even the "traitor" remark was a rarityDec 10 18:27
schestowitzRMS is not cracyDec 10 18:28
schestowitzRMS is not crazyDec 10 18:28
schestowitzIt's crazy what he needs to put up withDec 10 18:28
schestowitzThe daemonisationsDec 10 18:28
Ender2070yes exactlyDec 10 18:28
Ender2070I think this is why they are putting this group together though, so they have more people out there.Dec 10 18:28
schestowitzLike Mac fans and their Apple binary apps dabbling in that "open $ource" thing..Dec 10 18:28
Ender2070specificly people who read online news sites and keep up to dateDec 10 18:29
schestowitzAnd trying to knock out people who promote ethicsDec 10 18:29
Ender2070and blog and post comments on blogsDec 10 18:29
schestowitzAsay can be among them sometimesDec 10 18:29
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Ender2070open sauce?Dec 10 18:29
Ender2070:)Dec 10 18:29
DaemonFCIt's pretty easy to set up a non-profit under US tax lawDec 10 18:30
DaemonFCyou can even have all the people there making huge salaries Dec 10 18:30
Ender2070yeah it isDec 10 18:30
Ender2070it can be abused at the same timeDec 10 18:30
Ender2070not saying fsf would, but others doDec 10 18:31
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DaemonFCtechnically, the FSF could pay Richard Stallman all of the donation moneyDec 10 18:32
DaemonFCand still call itself a non-profitDec 10 18:33
Ender2070i dont think he can do that at this pointDec 10 18:33
DaemonFCa lot of "non-profits" are little more than an umbrealla group to take in donations from people thinking it's a charityDec 10 18:34
DaemonFCso they can pay themselves huge salaries out of the fundsDec 10 18:34
DaemonFC*umbrellaDec 10 18:34
Ender2070an owner of a large corp will also have huge salariesDec 10 18:34
Ender2070i dont see a differenceDec 10 18:34
DaemonFCthe difference is that a corporation has to sell productsDec 10 18:35
DaemonFCand the income is taxed twiceDec 10 18:35
Ender2070i would expect the owner of an organization to make a lot of moneyDec 10 18:35
DaemonFConce for the corporation and ocne from the salaryDec 10 18:35
DaemonFCnon-profits are easier to scam people out of money, and you even pay less taxesDec 10 18:35
DaemonFCBenny Hinn's church is a non-profitDec 10 18:35
Ender2070the people who work there pay income taxDec 10 18:35
DaemonFCperfect example of fraudDec 10 18:35
Ender2070the people who make donations pay income taxDec 10 18:36
DaemonFCyeah, so?Dec 10 18:36
DaemonFCthe church doesn'tDec 10 18:36
DaemonFCHinn takes all of it before paying any taxesDec 10 18:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #NewZealand Technology Officer Jumps Ship, Ending More Pretense http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/10/brett-roberts-quits/Dec 10 18:36
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DaemonFCthe church is a fraudulant front and a tax shelterDec 10 18:36
DaemonFChe can buy more solid gold toilet seats and more sports cars with the taxes he didn't payDec 10 18:36
Ender2070if he really did that the IRS will be interestedDec 10 18:37
DaemonFCthey don't careDec 10 18:37
DaemonFClook at all his assetsDec 10 18:37
DaemonFChe even bought himself a private planeDec 10 18:37
Ender2070i bet you hes under investigationDec 10 18:37
Ender2070unless he bought it all under the church's nameDec 10 18:37
DaemonFCif the IRS did move in on him, they'd anger a million mindless Benny Hinn zombies out thereDec 10 18:37
DaemonFCangry at the fedsDec 10 18:38
Ender2070lolDec 10 18:38
Ender2070he could have people working in the IRSDec 10 18:38
Ender2070like scientologyDec 10 18:38
DaemonFCOperation: Snow WhiteDec 10 18:39
schestowitzSeems  like identica catches up nowDec 10 18:39
DaemonFCis what you refer to :)Dec 10 18:39
schestowitzLag of 1.5 hours. It will 'rain' soon.Dec 10 18:39
DaemonFCBenny Hinn is a con artistDec 10 18:39
DaemonFChe strings along idiots with his "prophecies" that always fail to come trueDec 10 18:40
DaemonFChe's not even a smart con man who would make vague prophecies that could mean anything and are open endedDec 10 18:40
DaemonFCHinn said the homosexuals would all die in fire before the 1990s endedDec 10 18:40
DaemonFC:)Dec 10 18:40
DaemonFChe predicted the collapse of the US federal government before the end of the 90s tooDec 10 18:41
DaemonFCamong all kinds of natural disasters that would rip the US mainland apart as punishment from God, also due before the end of the 90sDec 10 18:42
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8405101.stm "The amount of tax collected has dropped steeply in the recession. "Dec 10 18:42
phIRCe-localTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 86.69 KBDec 10 18:42
schestowitzExcuse to extract more from Earth?Dec 10 18:42
schestowitzThis is stupid.Dec 10 18:42
DaemonFChe also said a bunch of notable prophets of God would be "called home" before the 90s were overDec 10 18:43
DaemonFCI think when he was called onthat one he managed to name one minor televangelist that happened to dieDec 10 18:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s and #Novell ’s “Fauxpen Source” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/10/fauxpen-source-novell-mono/Dec 10 18:43
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DaemonFChe said seven major ones wouldDec 10 18:43
DaemonFCHinn is also a phoney faith healerDec 10 18:43
DaemonFChe uses the donation money to his church to live an extravagant lifestyleDec 10 18:44
DaemonFCand persuades poor elderly people on Social Security to send him what may well be their last money, hoping for a miracleDec 10 18:44
DaemonFChe's a bottom feederDec 10 18:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Gift Ideas That Incorporate #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/hi4oDec 10 18:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Audiocasts http://ur1.ca/hgai http://ur1.ca/hi4q http://ur1.ca/hi4rDec 10 18:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BECTA Challenged to Embrace #GNU #Linux for Schools http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2689&blogid=17Dec 10 18:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Defended as Secure Desktop http://www.esecurityplanet.com//article.phpr/3851986/Dec 10 18:46
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux Outlaws 126 - The Man with the Golden Laptop | Linux Outlaws .::. Size~: 20.83 KBDec 10 18:46
phIRCe-localTitle: Podcast Season 1 Episode 23 | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 20.87 KBDec 10 18:46
phIRCe-localTitle: Better ripped-off than switch to Linux? - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 82.71 KBDec 10 18:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Annual Roundups of GNU/Linux Progress http://ur1.ca/hi5c http://ur1.ca/hi5d http://ur1.ca/hi5eDec 10 18:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Boxee Box Confirmed to be Running #GNU #Linux http://openboxeebox.com/d-link-tips-linux-based-boxee-box/Dec 10 18:47
phIRCe-localTitle: The 2009 Linux and free software timeline - Q1 [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 37.23 KBDec 10 18:47
phIRCe-localTitle: 2010 Linux and Open Source Events | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 20.21 KBDec 10 18:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Open BoxeeBox   » D-Link tips Linux-based Boxee box  .::. Size~: 40.96 KBDec 10 18:47
schestowitzbblDec 10 18:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco and #IBM Spread #GNU #Linux on New Range of Servers http://ur1.ca/hi5t http://ur1.ca/hi5uDec 10 18:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Chromium OS Now Runs from a #USB Stick http://www.pcworld.com/article/184157/need_fast_web_access_try_chromium_os_on_a_stick.htmlDec 10 18:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great #Graphics Features Enter Next #Linux (Version 2.6.33) http://ur1.ca/hi6e http://ur1.ca/hi6gDec 10 18:48
phIRCe-localTitle:  IBM's newest mainframe is all Linux   .::. Size~: 133.8 KBDec 10 18:48
phIRCe-localTitle: Need Fast Web Access? Try Chromium OS on a Stick - PC World .::. Size~: 80.5 KBDec 10 18:48
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] A Great Present In The Linux 2.6.33 Kernel .::. Size~: 20.44 KBDec 10 18:48
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] VMware Goes For Mainline Inclusion Of Its DRM .::. Size~: 16.42 KBDec 10 18:48
schestowitzThat's identica coming back to life... feeding twitter in lumps... downtime maybeDec 10 18:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Games Come to #GNU #Linux : #BentBend, Blood Frontier http://ur1.ca/hi74 http://ur1.ca/hi75Dec 10 18:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Adopts #Git (Same as #Linux ) http://jkeating.livejournal.com/76407.htmlDec 10 18:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Turns to #Windows Users for Staged Migration to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/hi7dDec 10 18:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Releases #SPICE for #Virtualisation Strategy on Desktops http://ur1.ca/hi7iDec 10 18:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of #Ubuntu Server 9.10 and #Linux #Mint 8 http://ur1.ca/hi7k http://ur1.ca/hi7lDec 10 18:49
phIRCe-localTitle: LinuxGames - Embrace your inner penguin .::. Size~: 17.54 KBDec 10 18:49
phIRCe-localTitle: jkeating: The move to git .::. Size~: 24.2 KBDec 10 18:49
phIRCe-localTitle: KDE Windows Team Releases Applications from Software Compilation 4.3.4 | KDE.news .::. Size~: 31.13 KBDec 10 18:49
phIRCe-localTitle: Red Hat Open Sources Desktop Application Protocol - PC World Business Center .::. Size~: 61.6 KBDec 10 18:49
phIRCe-localTitle: Ubuntu Server 9.10 - Review and Commentary - Linux Critic .::. Size~: 39.86 KBDec 10 18:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pandora #Linux -powered #Console Demonstrated in Video, Launch Imminent http://ur1.ca/hi7uDec 10 18:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ThinClient to Run #GNU #Linux (DeTOS) http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Devon-IT-SafeBook-E5400X/?kc=rssDec 10 18:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #Droid Liberated from #Google #Verizon #Motorola http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/droid-unlocked/Dec 10 18:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sugar (on #Fedora GNU/Linux) Receives Great #Review http://ur1.ca/hi80 http://ur1.ca/hi83Dec 10 18:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Grow in Choice and Market Size http://ur1.ca/hi87 http://ur1.ca/hi89Dec 10 18:50
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phIRCe-localTitle: Portable thin client's based on Dell notebook - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 62.49 KBDec 10 18:50
phIRCe-localTitle: The Droid Has Been Rooted  Now What? | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 90.69 KBDec 10 18:50
phIRCe-localTitle: New Sugar on a Stick Brings Much Needed Improvements | GeekDad | Wired.com .::. Size~: 78.39 KBDec 10 18:50
phIRCe-localTitle: Sugar on a Stick adds ebook support .::. Size~: 38.74 KBDec 10 18:50
phIRCe-localTitle: 10 Netbook-oriented Linux Distributions... and Counting | TECH SOURCE FROM BOHOL .::. Size~: 106.74 KBDec 10 18:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 9-Digit Userbase for #OpenOffice .org, http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/12/09/open-offices-market-share-in-my-circle-of-influence/Dec 10 18:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Thunderbird 3.0 Has Features Outlook Still Lacks http://ur1.ca/hfoaDec 10 18:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Seen as Mature in Business Intelligence http://ur1.ca/hi8oDec 10 18:51
phIRCe-localTitle: Open Offices market share in my circle of influence .::. Size~: 34.09 KBDec 10 18:51
phIRCe-localTitle: Review: Thunderbird 3 takes flight with tabs, enhanced search .::. Size~: 42.08 KBDec 10 18:51
phIRCe-localTitle: Open Source Is Smart Choice For Business Intelligence - News - eWeekEurope.co.uk .::. Size~: 22.63 KBDec 10 18:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BSD and #GNU Find and Look for More Glory http://ur1.ca/hi8t http://ur1.ca/hi8wDec 10 18:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JavaScript Grows in Impact Among Today's Applications, #Google Contributes http://ur1.ca/hi8xDec 10 18:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US #Government Debates Openness ( #OpenAccess ) http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/E9-29322.htmDec 10 18:52
phIRCe-localTitle: Juniper Networks backs FreeBSD with MIPS port | FreeBSD - the unknown Giant .::. Size~: 39 KBDec 10 18:52
phIRCe-localTitle: When Javascript became the world's new CPU  .::. Size~: 43.54 KBDec 10 18:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Attempts Against @Wikileaks and Bloggers http://ur1.ca/hi9g http://ur1.ca/hi9hDec 10 18:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon Seeks to Harm the World with More Outrageous Monopolies http://ur1.ca/hi9jDec 10 18:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft (and #Google ) Sued by Intellectual Monopolists for Spreading Torrent Information http://ur1.ca/hi9mDec 10 18:53
phIRCe-localTitle: UK air traffic control goes after Wikileaks • The Register .::. Size~: 26.93 KBDec 10 18:53
phIRCe-localTitle: TV Station Tells Blogger To Delete Twitter Message Or Face Legal Action | Techdirt .::. Size~: 111.29 KBDec 10 18:53
phIRCe-localTitle: open...: Why Does Amazon Want to Be Evil? .::. Size~: 97.33 KBDec 10 18:53
phIRCe-localTitle: Google and MS sued over links to file-sharing site • The Register .::. Size~: 34.72 KBDec 10 18:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I has written a new uncyclopedia article! http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lotus_NotesDec 10 18:56
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sebsebsebhiDec 10 19:28
Ender2070KMail is still betterDec 10 19:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just filed my first bug in Ubuntu Lucid (10.04). Plenty of time for it to be fixed :) http://bit.ly/4PBPniDec 10 19:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A tip for e-commerce sites, don't force customers to add items to their basket and click through lots of crap just to see the delivery cost.Dec 10 19:54
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I just read an article stating that a lot of Christian TV channels don't want a "decency" law that lets subscribers choose what cable channels they getDec 10 20:01
DaemonFCthey fear that it would backfire and people will ditch or not subscribe to the religious channelsDec 10 20:01
DaemonFCheheDec 10 20:01
DaemonFCI use the parental controls on my box to lock out all the televangelism networksDec 10 20:04
DaemonFCWhat I hate is when I accidentally tune into one and then can't look away cause it's like a trainwreckDec 10 20:04
DaemonFCso this prevents that problem from occurring Dec 10 20:04
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Ender2070lolDec 10 20:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Prediction: Next big star: Kofi Kingston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofi_Kingston and he shares his birthday with me! (Aug14)! #wweDec 10 20:34
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-ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channelDec 10 21:23
schestowitzBN server been up for 100 daysDec 10 21:24
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ender2070http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Group:FSF/Community_Team/Planning#ParticipantsDec 10 21:42
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schestowitzender2070: thanks for reminding meDec 10 21:48
*schestowitz listens to http://www.tuxradar.com/files/podcast/tuxradar_s01e23.oggDec 10 21:48
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schestowitzFSF the red planet... red threat /sarcasmDec 10 21:49
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091209/0411047264.shtmlDec 10 21:50
phIRCe-localTitle: Is Everyone Who Received Monday's Metro Toronto Guilty Of Child Porn Possession? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 74.86 KBDec 10 21:50
schestowitzhaaaaaa :-) http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1208/p09s06-coop.htmlDec 10 21:54
phIRCe-localTitle: The patent system: End it, don't mend it | csmonitor.com .::. Size~: 82.4 KBDec 10 21:54
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091209/1824537279.shtmlDec 10 21:58
phIRCe-localTitle: Google And Microsoft Sued For Linking, Indirectly, To Infringing Music | Techdirt .::. Size~: 36.33 KBDec 10 21:58
ender2070I love how konversation lets me directly right click that ogg and save linkDec 10 22:00
ender2070:)Dec 10 22:00
schestowitzIt's not a very good showDec 10 22:05
ender2070im still listening to something else anywaysDec 10 22:06
ender2070this guy will blow your mindDec 10 22:06
ender2070http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/05may/RIR-090517.phpDec 10 22:06
phIRCe-localTitle: Red Ice Creations Radio - Anthony Peake - Cheating The Ferryman & The Daemon .::. Size~: 16.18 KBDec 10 22:06
ender2070his theory is that we live our life over and over againDec 10 22:07
ender2070sort of like reincarnationDec 10 22:07
ender2070but your own lifeDec 10 22:07
ender2070and says your inner self will warn you and save your life sometimesDec 10 22:08
ender2070because it knows the futureDec 10 22:08
ender2070very deep stuffDec 10 22:08
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/reacting_to_sec.htmlDec 10 22:21
phIRCe-localTitle: Schneier on Security: Reacting to Security Vulnerabilities .::. Size~: 26.65 KBDec 10 22:21
schestowitzender2070: sounds flippantDec 10 22:21
schestowitzender2070: the beginning seems too crazyDec 10 22:22
schestowitzReminds of some Brit who said some humans are alientsDec 10 22:22
schestowitz*iensDec 10 22:22
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schestowitzhttp://americas.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/69124Dec 10 22:30
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/08/tamiflu-swine-flu-rocheDec 10 22:31
schestowitzI'm meeting more people wary of those shotsDec 10 22:32
schestowitzRMS links to: Are we better off without religion? < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/dec/08/religion-society-gregory-paul >Dec 10 22:32
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schestowitz_goblin: what's up?Dec 10 22:34
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_goblinhi!Dec 10 22:36
_goblinjust had to reboot this Ubuntu rig after updatesDec 10 22:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: All fool's day. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/23004.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/536796.htmlDec 10 22:44
phIRCe-localTitle: reddragdiva | All fool's day. .::. Size~: 27.71 KBDec 10 22:44
phIRCe-localTitle: reddragdiva: All fool's day. .::. Size~: 18.74 KBDec 10 22:44
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/10/google-and-yahoo-to-kick-sex-offenders-off-social-networksDec 10 22:45
phIRCe-localTitle: Google And Yahoo To Kick Sex Offenders Off Social Networks  | WebProNews .::. Size~: 33.46 KBDec 10 22:45
schestowitz_goblin: I thought it was ISPDec 10 22:45
_goblinISP?Dec 10 22:46
_goblinahDec 10 22:46
_goblinI seeDec 10 22:46
_goblinno, O2 has just got rubbish DNS servers.Dec 10 22:46
schestowitzI know...Dec 10 22:47
_goblinusing GoogleDNS at the mo 8.8.4.4Dec 10 22:47
schestowitzWhy OpenDNS thoughDec 10 22:47
schestowitz?Dec 10 22:47
MinceRwhy not OpenDNS?Dec 10 22:47
_goblinjust so I can say Ive used it....I covered GoogleDNS on my siteDec 10 22:47
_goblinnormally I am OpenDNSDec 10 22:47
MinceRicDec 10 22:47
_goblingot ChromeOS to look at too.Dec 10 22:48
_goblinoh and surprise surprise....the Wave poll which had Ubuntu v Windows roughly even on the stats has disapeared.Dec 10 22:49
_goblin2nd one to "disapear"Dec 10 22:49
_goblinlooks like the faithful have arrived.Dec 10 22:49
MinceRwhat could have caused it to disappear?Dec 10 22:50
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/10/hmrc_it/Dec 10 22:52
phIRCe-localTitle: Tax dodgers aided by old IT • The Register .::. Size~: 26.49 KBDec 10 22:52
schestowitzMinceR: 'naughty' results?Dec 10 22:52
schestowitzHehehehe: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/10/epson_extreme_gaming/Dec 10 22:53
phIRCe-localTitle: Epson models wearable PlayStation 3 • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 24.33 KBDec 10 22:53
MinceRnaughty by whose values?Dec 10 22:55
MinceRdo you mean 'naughty' as 'one side getting too many votes for someone's preferences' or something else?Dec 10 22:55
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/10/real_time_dns_directory/Dec 10 22:58
phIRCe-localTitle: OpenDNS taunts Google with real-time directory • The Register .::. Size~: 30.19 KBDec 10 22:58
schestowitzMinceR: non-propagandistDec 10 22:59
schestowitzWHose advert is it?Dec 10 22:59
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schestowitzMicrosoft is used to messages having an agendaDec 10 22:59
schestowitzhttp://www.businessinsider.com/health-insures-caught-paying-facebook-users-virtual-currency-to-send-letters-to-congress-opposing-reform-bill-2009-12Dec 10 22:59
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schestowitzhttp://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/12/06/in_glitzy_shadows_a_health_reform_foe_lurks/Dec 10 22:59
phIRCe-localTitle: In glitzy shadows, a health reform foe lurks - The Boston Globe .::. Size~: 44.61 KBDec 10 22:59
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8747Dec 10 22:59
phIRCe-localTitle: The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 27.08 KBDec 10 22:59
schestowitzhttp://galactic-dev.livejournal.com/360579.htmlDec 10 22:59
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Malicious-Screensaver-Malware-on-Gnome-Look.orgDec 10 23:06
schestowitzThere is also malware _in_ GNOME... called monoDec 10 23:06
schestowitzBadware... bad-softwareDec 10 23:06
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schestowitzhttp://www.daniweb.com/news/story245152.htmlDec 10 23:07
phIRCe-localTitle: Will 802.11ac Gigabit WiFi be the death of Ethernet? - Networking Hardware Configuration News Story .::. Size~: 46.31 KBDec 10 23:07
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schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc5MADec 10 23:11
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] Linus Wants Nouveau Merged Into Kernel .::. Size~: 18.21 KBDec 10 23:11
schestowitzCool!Dec 10 23:11
schestowitzFree graphics out of the box as loadable module, I reckonDec 10 23:11
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MinceRfree 2d graphicsDec 10 23:16
schestowitzYesDec 10 23:16
schestowitz2d no good?Dec 10 23:16
schestowitzmulti-headDec 10 23:16
schestowitzMany people use Linux for real work, not gamingDec 10 23:17
MinceR2d won't do desktop compositingDec 10 23:17
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schestowitzSugar for some... http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6214795577.html?kc=rssDec 10 23:17
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MinceRso no desktop grid, no present windows, no realtime zoom, no true transparencyDec 10 23:17
schestowitzMinceR: yes, I thought about itDec 10 23:17
MinceRand yes, those are useful for workDec 10 23:18
schestowitzWindows hardly does that, eitherDec 10 23:18
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MinceRwindows hardly does anything useful at allDec 10 23:18
schestowitzThe Vista* family does someDec 10 23:18
schestowitzDesktop grid=not neeededDec 10 23:18
schestowitzYou could do it without the bling quite efficientlyDec 10 23:19
schestowitzIn KDE4 overstressing the GPU can lead to compositing disabling itselfDec 10 23:19
MinceRi do need my desktop gridDec 10 23:19
MinceRand it won't work in realtime without proper accelerationDec 10 23:19
schestowitzI set kwin4 to have windows float when I move between the 8 dual desktops.... so it's treated like a big wall, not a cubeDec 10 23:19
schestowitzkwin also does fade in/outDec 10 23:20
schestowitzSlow down the animation and it's niftyDec 10 23:20
schestowitzExploding windowsDec 10 23:20
schestowitzkpager in the panel (well, it's not kpager which is deprecated) does it all quite well, MinceRDec 10 23:21
MinceRkpager isn't fullscreenDec 10 23:21
schestowitzWHat bothers me without composite is the redarawing which becomes visibleDec 10 23:21
MinceRand i doubt it can show realtime previewsDec 10 23:21
MinceRwell yeah, without compositing, switching windows tends to be slowerDec 10 23:21
MinceRthough enabling backing store for all windows might help with thatDec 10 23:22
MinceRiirc fvwm lets you do things like thatDec 10 23:22
schestowitzAnyway, it's juggler Jobs who invented itDec 10 23:23
MinceRnot reallyDec 10 23:23
schestowitzThose LUNIX hippies!!1 copied SpacesDec 10 23:23
MinceRmacos doesn't even support virtual desktops properly, iircDec 10 23:23
MinceRonly some kind of lame copyDec 10 23:23
schestowitzThey can only kiss the foot of his sweetness kindnessDec 10 23:23
MinceRyou still can't handle multiple windows of the same apps separately, can you?Dec 10 23:24
schestowitz[23:23] <MinceR> macos doesn't even support virtual desktops properly, iircDec 10 23:24
MinceR(bring forward only one, put them on different virtual desktops)Dec 10 23:24
schestowitzKISSDec 10 23:24
schestowitzSimpleDec 10 23:24
schestowitzfor StupidDec 10 23:24
schestowitzThey don't do much at allDec 10 23:24
MinceRlet's not misuse the KISS principleDec 10 23:24
MinceR:)Dec 10 23:24
schestowitzIt "would confuse the users"!!!!!!!!1Dec 10 23:24
schestowitzAFAICT Spaces is very much a lamer featureDec 10 23:24
schestowitzIt's like one of those black boxesDec 10 23:24
schestowitz"This is how it's done. THERE!"Dec 10 23:25
schestowitzSame with Mac OS...Dec 10 23:25
schestowitzNumber of buttons...Dec 10 23:25
schestowitzMenu locationDec 10 23:25
schestowitzNO WAY you can change anything from Jobs' defaultsDec 10 23:25
schestowitzIt's even limiting to Windows usersDec 10 23:25
schestowitz*NIXers have the mos freedomDec 10 23:25
schestowitzCLI only... twm.... Looking Glass... KDE... ChromeOS' whatever-they-call-itDec 10 23:26
MinceRexpose has no find/filter feature :)Dec 10 23:26
schestowitzWHat's that?Dec 10 23:26
schestowitzI know ExposeDec 10 23:26
schestowitzNot this featureDec 10 23:26
MinceRshowing only the windows whose title contains the string you typeDec 10 23:26
schestowitzfeeechureDec 10 23:26
MinceRboth compiz (window picker) and kwin (present windows) can do thatDec 10 23:27
schestowitzEasy to implementDec 10 23:27
schestowitzOne afternooDec 10 23:27
schestowitzDid His Highness patent it?Dec 10 23:27
schestowitz[the thin Woz]Dec 10 23:27
MinceRi don't know and i don't careDec 10 23:28
schestowitzomg! he thinks of EVRYTHING! :-DDec 10 23:28
MinceRthey should be bombed anywayDec 10 23:28
schestowitz!google jobs patent zoomingDec 10 23:28
phIRCe-local[1] - Apple's A-bomb against Palm: A 358 page iPhone patent | http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-opinion/41207-apples-a-bomb-against-palm-a-358-page-iphone-patentDec 10 23:28
phIRCe-local[2] - Executive Ipr Patent Jobs In Bangalore - Bixee.com | http://www.bixee.com/executive%2Bipr%2Bpatent/jobs-in/bangalore/Dec 10 23:28
phIRCe-local[3] - Zoom lens system - US Patent 6178050 Claims | http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6178050/claims.htmlDec 10 23:28
phIRCe-local[4] - Can Apple Patent the Pinch? Experts Say It's Possible | http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2008/02/multitouch_patentsDec 10 23:28
schestowitzMinceR: bombed with complaint mailDec 10 23:28
schestowitz!google ddos complaint fsf appleDec 10 23:29
phIRCe-local[1] - Slashdot | FSF's "Defective By Design" Targets Apple Genius Bars | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D08/07/26/1827208Dec 10 23:29
phIRCe-local[2] - Apple is Too Hot, Microsoft Can Leave the Internet Flat | Boycott ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/16/marvels-of-proprietary-software/Dec 10 23:29
phIRCe-local[3] - The Pirate Bay Files Criminal Complaint Against MediaDefender ... | http://bciptf.org/blog/2007/09/25/the-pirate-bay-files-criminal-complaint-against-mediadefender-clients-for-hacking/Dec 10 23:29
phIRCe-local[4] - Digital Rant » Hardware | http://www.digital-rant.co.uk/category/hardware/Dec 10 23:29
MinceRi doubt they care about complaint mailDec 10 23:29
schestowitzThey have amnesty bin for itDec 10 23:29
schestowitz!google ballmer amnesty binDec 10 23:29
phIRCe-local[1] - MacDailyNews - Pathetic Microsoft places 'iPod Amnesty Bin' in ... | http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/13709/Dec 10 23:29
phIRCe-local[2] - Flickr Find: Microsoft Amnesty Bin for iPods | http://www.tuaw.com/2007/05/24/flickr-find-microsoft-amnesty-bin-for-ipods/Dec 10 23:29
phIRCe-local[3] - Ballmer outs, teases iPhone user at Microsoft meeting | Electronista | http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/11/ballmer.mocks.using.iphone.at.windows.meet/Dec 10 23:29
phIRCe-local[4] - Charlie Owen - Thoughts on iPod Amnesty Bin | http://blog.retrosight.com/ThoughtsOnIPodAmnestyBin.aspxDec 10 23:29
MinceRlolDec 10 23:30
MinceRso, any threats yet for microdroids who don't throw out their hypePods? :>Dec 10 23:31
schestowitzHypodsDec 10 23:31
MinceRiPoosDec 10 23:31
schestowitzFeed it to the Hydra sDec 10 23:31
schestowitziDopesDec 10 23:32
schestowitz:-)Dec 10 23:32
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/1234211_apple_headphones.jpgDec 10 23:34
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schestowitzI was thinking, what if Free/libre softare was called "ethics software" or "ethical software"?Dec 10 23:34
schestowitzThat definition cannot be hijackedDec 10 23:34
schestowitzNo free as in cheapDec 10 23:34
schestowitzNo open as in whatever...Dec 10 23:35
schestowitzAnd it implid non-Free software is, well.... Un-Ethical softareDec 10 23:35
MinceRi think that even less people care about ethics than freedomDec 10 23:36
MinceRalso, it's more difficult to prove that all free software is ethical and that all ethical software is freeDec 10 23:36
schestowitzThey don't understand them, that's whyDec 10 23:36
MinceRpossibly impossibleDec 10 23:36
schestowitzAnd they are kept isolatedDec 10 23:36
schestowitzPeople don't united /against/ stuffDec 10 23:36
schestowitzThey united to help one anotherDec 10 23:36
schestowitzBut people are ever more isolated with their SMS and cable TVDec 10 23:37
schestowitzThey have 'friends'Dec 10 23:37
schestowitzLike the people who talk on the tubeDec 10 23:37
MinceRanother issue is that we already have ~3 namesDec 10 23:37
schestowitzIt makes them even more susciptible to deceptionDec 10 23:37
MinceR(free, libre, open source)Dec 10 23:37
schestowitz*susceptibleDec 10 23:37
schestowitzThat's an issue tooDec 10 23:38
schestowitzEverything is "open" nowDec 10 23:38
schestowitzYou assimilate to your competition to dilute itDec 10 23:38
schestowitzThen it ceased to have much meaning at alDec 10 23:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm loving Thunderbird 3 and I'm not alone. http://blogs.computerworld.com/15221/thunderbird_is_goDec 10 23:38
phIRCe-localTitle: Thunderbird is Go! - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 136.36 KBDec 10 23:38
schestowitztrmanco could help with this: http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/computadores/caixa_magica_experimenta_linux_no_novo_magalh_1033434.htmlDec 10 23:42
phIRCe-localTitle: TeK > Notícias > Computadores > Caixa Mágica experimenta Linux no novo Magalhães .::. Size~: 40.53 KBDec 10 23:42
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schestowitzhttp://www.forbes.com/2009/11/30/computer-arrington-chrome-technology-cio-network-crunchpad.htmlDec 10 23:59
phIRCe-localTitle: Why The Crunchpad Didn't Pencil Out - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 26.35 KBDec 10 23:59

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