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schestowitzhttp://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00040.htmlDec 11 00:09
cubezzzmanaged to KO my desktop selector and now I can't add it backDec 11 00:26
cubezzzrather oddDec 11 00:26
schestowitzhttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha1Dec 11 00:26
phIRCe-localTitle: Lucid Lynx Alpha 1 | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 20.04 KBDec 11 00:26
cubezzzah I got itDec 11 00:33
cubezzz"Desktop preview and pager"Dec 11 00:33
cubezzzthey keep changing it's nameDec 11 00:33
cubezzzok, back to "normal"Dec 11 00:33
schestowitzYEah, many namesDec 11 00:34
schestowitzNo cisistencyDec 11 00:34
schestowitzJournals have lists that ensure consistent naming for stuff and software giants might have that tooDec 11 00:34
schestowitzterminal/shell/bash/console...Dec 11 00:35
schestowitzNot quite the same, but interchangeable to a degreeDec 11 00:35
cubezzzit is a bit confusing, especially since I'm used to Unix System V :)Dec 11 00:36
cubezzznot that I'm going back to that Dec 11 00:37
cubezzzterminal is more like "terminal emulation"Dec 11 00:38
cubezzze.g. my $TERM variable is xtermDec 11 00:38
cubezzzbut there's tons of other onesDec 11 00:39
cubezzzI go ctrl-alt-f1 and do a text login and then $TERM = linuxDec 11 00:40
cubezzznothing is consistent with Microsoft eitherDec 11 00:44
schestowitzMaybe notDec 11 00:44
cubezzzit's a new kettle of fish for each iteration of windowsDec 11 00:44
cubezzzI felt rather lost going from XP to Windows 7Dec 11 00:44
cubezzzand I already thought XP was slowDec 11 00:45
schestowitzI played with Vista in an airport for a few minutesDec 11 00:45
schestowitzXP in blackDec 11 00:45
schestowitzMore problems, they sayDec 11 00:45
schestowitzWatching some vids, back in a moDec 11 00:46
cubezzzthings change so fast I don't bother with most computer books regarding OS functionsDec 11 00:48
cubezzzplus I'm always changing things myselfDec 11 00:48
cubezzzthen everything gets to the point that I have to use my own notes and the book is out of dateDec 11 00:48
cubezzzOS functions meaning the user interface mostlyDec 11 00:49
schestowitzTeddy jam.. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4KdHs-nMhA&feature=relatedDec 11 00:51
cubezzzno zhu zhu pet? I'm disappointed :)Dec 11 00:52
cubezzzwhich looks kind of crap, but the kids seem to like itDec 11 00:53
ender2070I wrote about Stormy about an hour agoDec 11 00:53
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=407Dec 11 00:53
phIRCe-localTitle: Pwnage.ca » Stormy Peters and Co-Existing with Proprietary .::. Size~: 18.85 KBDec 11 00:53
cubezzzis that your blog?Dec 11 00:53
ender2070yesDec 11 00:54
cubezzzwell you gave me an ideaDec 11 00:59
cubezzzmake sure I can get replacement parts for whatever netbook/laptop I buyDec 11 00:59
cubezzzsince cd drives fail so oftenDec 11 01:00
ender2070yeah especially in notebooksDec 11 01:01
cubezzzsome keyboards are hard to find tooDec 11 01:01
cubezzzand awkward to installDec 11 01:01
cubezzzreally it's the OS issue that bothers me the mostDec 11 01:03
cubezzzand our culture of not repairing anythingDec 11 01:03
ender2070for the cd drivesDec 11 01:04
ender2070usually burning fails firstDec 11 01:04
cubezzzoften the spinner will fail in certain modelsDec 11 01:04
cubezzza $5 partDec 11 01:04
ender2070its usually the same thing that used to fail in ps2Dec 11 01:05
ender2070the burning lens melts itselfDec 11 01:05
ender2070something to do with the pickupDec 11 01:05
ender2070anyways, after 1-2 years its usually time for an upgrade anywaysDec 11 01:05
cubezzzcan you get replacement parts for it?Dec 11 01:05
ender2070probably not very easyDec 11 01:06
cubezzzthere you see the built-in obsolescenceDec 11 01:06
ender2070i wouldnt trust most peoples ability to troubleshoot a class 3 laser deviceDec 11 01:07
cubezzzat the least you should be able to replace parts at the component levelDec 11 01:07
ender2070you could fix them, professionally but the cost would be too highDec 11 01:08
DaemonFCif it's just misaligned, you can fix that yourselfDec 11 01:08
ender2070if you could do it yourself, fineDec 11 01:08
ender2070butDec 11 01:08
ender2070its not a safe thing to doDec 11 01:08
ender2070read the warningDec 11 01:08
DaemonFCif the drive itself fails, Sony charges $100 to refurbish itDec 11 01:08
ender2070$20 gets you a new burnerDec 11 01:08
DaemonFCmight as well just buy another PS 2Dec 11 01:08
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DaemonFCthey're $98 in the storeDec 11 01:09
ender2070oh for playstation it was covered by warrantyDec 11 01:09
ender2070im talking general pc'sDec 11 01:09
DaemonFCfor a few years it wasDec 11 01:09
DaemonFCit's not covered anymoreDec 11 01:09
ender2070get a ps3 they will tell yaDec 11 01:09
cubezzzI have a working Joust machine from early 1983Dec 11 01:10
DaemonFCThe PS2 has a lower profile and uses less pwer and costs 1/3rd as muchDec 11 01:10
cubezzzit's been repaired twiceDec 11 01:10
ender2070u think sony cares?Dec 11 01:10
ender2070lolDec 11 01:10
DaemonFCplus the PS3 no longer emulated PS2 gamesDec 11 01:10
DaemonFCtotally incompatibleDec 11 01:10
ender2070sony is in it for $$$Dec 11 01:10
DaemonFC*emulatesDec 11 01:10
ender2070even their pc's are very difficult to operate onDec 11 01:10
cubezzzolder stuff is more repairableDec 11 01:10
ender2070they do it on purposeDec 11 01:10
DaemonFCyou have to buy a PS2 and PS3 now if you want to play both systemsDec 11 01:11
DaemonFCthe XBOX 360 at least has probably 80% of original XBOX games that runDec 11 01:11
DaemonFCall the good ones doDec 11 01:11
DaemonFCthe ones that don't tend to be glitchy and not even coded to the XBOX SDK correctlyDec 11 01:12
cubezzzboth are boat anchorsDec 11 01:12
cubezzzclosed as can beDec 11 01:12
DaemonFCthe XBOX 360 and PS3 pretty much share 95% of all new gamesDec 11 01:12
DaemonFCwith the exception of a few exclusives eachDec 11 01:13
DaemonFCthe choice should be whichever one is cheaperDec 11 01:13
DaemonFClet the price wars settle thatDec 11 01:13
cubezzzNeo Geo was fun :)Dec 11 01:13
cubezzzclosed, but no drives to worry aboutDec 11 01:13
DaemonFCSony got most of their size reduction by eliminating the PS2 chipsetDec 11 01:14
DaemonFCthat's why the new ones are incompatibleDec 11 01:14
DaemonFCit basically means don't expect backwards compatibility with the last generation of Playstation ever againDec 11 01:15
DaemonFCat $298, most people probably are thinking about the integrated Blu Ray player anywayDec 11 01:17
DaemonFCI doubt Linux was a selling point and the people that bought it just for that were making supercomputing grids, which didn't get Sony anything other than the $100 loss on every console soldDec 11 01:18
DaemonFCthey probably ditched Linux compatibility to shoo away all the freeloaders who weren't even buying any gameDec 11 01:19
DaemonFC*gamesDec 11 01:19
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DaemonFCthe GPU was too hobbled and the RAM too low to make me seriously ever consider the PS3 as a Linux computerDec 11 01:21
DaemonFCthe CPU is awesome though, and built in gigabit ethernet raises some serious supercomputing applicationsDec 11 01:22
DaemonFCit would be nice if it had at least 4 times the RAM and full GPU access, but that would raise cost of manufacturing way too much for a bullet point feature that backfired on them (Linux)Dec 11 01:23
DaemonFCYou had to know what Linux was in the first placeDec 11 01:24
DaemonFCthe original PS3 models never mentioned it by nameDec 11 01:24
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schestowitz[01:13] <DaemonFC> the choice should be whichever one is cheaperDec 11 01:36
schestowitzOr less defectiveDec 11 01:36
DaemonFCthey fixed thatDec 11 01:36
schestowitzNyetDec 11 01:36
DaemonFCI have one of the newer modelsDec 11 01:36
schestowitz'Fixed'Dec 11 01:36
schestowitzLik 'fixing' a deckDec 11 01:37
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/saddlebackchurch#p/u/0/1jmGu9o4fDEDec 11 01:40
DaemonFCRick Warren condemns anti-homosexual bill under consideration in UgandaDec 11 01:41
_goblinSchestowitz: have you heard the French Military have dumped Outlook in favor of Thunderbird.Dec 11 01:42
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DaemonFCWarren is transitioning from a right winger to a centristDec 11 01:45
DaemonFCI've noticed thatDec 11 01:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] French Military have dumped Outlook for Thunderbird? http://tinyurl.com/yhgdt4z #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #windows7 #fail #outlookDec 11 01:45
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DaemonFCbetter than Benny Hinn or Pat Robertson anywayDec 11 01:45
schestowitz_goblin: old news :-) :-)Dec 11 01:50
schestowitzThey'll lllllove TB3Dec 11 01:50
schestowitz_goblin: I likes how you put #fail right there as a misfit among names of Microsoft productsDec 11 01:51
schestowitzNow I want to m-blog too!Dec 11 01:52
cubezzzWindows 1.0 was supported under Dec 31 2001Dec 11 01:55
cubezzz16 years, the longest support of any doze :)Dec 11 01:55
schestowitz3.1 expired recentlyDec 11 01:56
schestowitzFor devices IIRCDec 11 01:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Christmas Lights: Powered by #Linux http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-powers-christmas-lights-for-charityDec 11 01:58
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cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_codeDec 11 01:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nouveau May Come to Heart of #Linux http://ur1.ca/hj60 http://ur1.ca/hj61Dec 11 01:59
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phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] Part 2 Of Nouveau Saga: The Microcode .::. Size~: 21.66 KBDec 11 01:59
cubezzzdoes noveau support 3d acceleration?Dec 11 02:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Desktop #GNU #Linux Would Benefit from Eye Candy by Default http://ur1.ca/hj64 http://ur1.ca/hj65Dec 11 02:02
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phIRCe-localTitle: OMG! UBUNTU!: Ubuntu Lucid To Get Windows Aero Style Look Thanks To Enhanced GTK+ .::. Size~: 87.83 KBDec 11 02:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Unigine Engine for #Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc4OADec 11 02:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment 4.4 Gets a Good Word from Former Sceptic http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3852391/ #kdeDec 11 02:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @santhoshtr We are working on a technical road map for #malayalagrandham project. Please contribute http://wiki.smc.org.in/Biblio_roadmapDec 11 02:04
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ender2070didnt they extend 3.1 support?Dec 11 02:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat in Great Shape and Growing http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Health-check-Red-Hat-Linux-879590.htmlDec 11 02:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Family Shows Cutting-edge Features http://ur1.ca/hj6u http://ur1.ca/hj6v http://ur1.ca/hj6wDec 11 02:11
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phIRCe-localTitle: The Perfect Server - Mandriva 2010.0 Free (x86_64) [ISPConfig 2] | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials .::. Size~: 47.41 KBDec 11 02:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 1, New Commercial Support Offer from #Canonical http://ur1.ca/hj6x http://ur1.ca/hj6yDec 11 02:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Grows in Acer #Phones http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/121009-acer-plans-up-to-6.html?fsrc=rss-linux-newsDec 11 02:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Polishes Software Faster Than Proprietary http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2254833/open-source-bugs-fixed-quickerDec 11 02:15
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schestowitzcubezzz: I don't think it doesDec 11 02:18
schestowitzIT'S JUST all so outlandish... that they sell h/w as a business model yet they hide their so-called 'IP' by hiding the good codeDec 11 02:20
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cubezzz2yeah, but there must be some 3d card which has open source driversDec 11 02:21
cubezzz2maybe this radeon driver I'm using is openDec 11 02:23
cubezzz2not sureDec 11 02:23
cubezzz2they call it Nouveau : Accelerated Open Source driver for nVidia cardsDec 11 02:24
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cubezzz2so that seems to imply it does some kind of accelerationDec 11 02:24
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #SheevaPlug Reviewed http://www.tuxradar.com/content/reviewed-sheevaplug-development-kitDec 11 02:27
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cubezzzhttp://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FrontPage#StatusDec 11 02:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Business Models Built Around the #Copyright #Cartel http://ur1.ca/hj7m http://ur1.ca/hj7nDec 11 02:29
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phIRCe-localTitle: Dilbert Explains Why Just Copying Others Is A Dumb Business Model | Techdirt .::. Size~: 87.29 KBDec 11 02:29
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL RT: @naastygun: Telengana politicians protest against Will Smith for being "Enemy of the State" #iwantastateDec 11 02:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PirateParty Works to Defend the Internet http://ur1.ca/hj7p http://ur1.ca/gtavDec 11 02:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #USPTO Should be Rubbished, Says Respected Publication http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1208/p09s06-coop.htmlDec 11 02:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Dispute Over Status Notification http://www.homemediamagazine.com/legal-news/blockbuster-netflix-win-patent-litigation-17788Dec 11 02:35
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DaemonFChttp://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-12-06/Dec 11 02:36
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DaemonFCI like that one betterDec 11 02:36
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schestowitzgnDec 11 02:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @jackerhack: The rise of consumerism may be the fall of military-led innovation. The mass market is more efficient. http://is.gd/5j3gjDec 11 04:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Interesting project RT @okfn: Where Does My Money Go? Prototype Launched http://bit.ly/6HaMAfDec 11 04:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gnuanu: #SciPy.in - one day away @thiruvananthapuramDec 11 04:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Going to iim calicutDec 11 04:36
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ender2070intel graphics is free softwareDec 11 04:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT @markgammon: A Day in the Internet is Mindblowing http://bit.ly/8SINpB (via LifeHacker) #geekery #soctechDec 11 04:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @jamie_love: One consequence of the ACTA negotiation is the creation of a global social movement -- in opposition to the agreement.Dec 11 05:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I'm now the second best karma user in FSDaily! Cool!! :DDec 11 05:51
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Omar87__Uh.. Jack Wallen turns to be dumber than he looks.. -_-Dec 11 06:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] If peeps don't perceive "free" to have any value, why do they perceive value in a "free" Windows that comes already on their PC?Dec 11 06:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @ismile_sm: chetan bhagat attempts to block telengana claiming IP violation with 2 states idea #fakenews #chetanblocksDec 11 06:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @hfactor: News on #IFFK International Film Festival Kerala 2009 Signature Film by Sanju Surendran http://bit.ly/6CT2dwDec 11 06:15
ender2070interestingDec 11 06:51
ender2070ACCESS pays gnome $10k to have Lefty be on the advisory boardDec 11 06:51
ender2070at least in Q3Dec 11 06:51
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MinceRlolDec 11 07:18
MinceRurl?Dec 11 07:19
DaemonFCI want to be waterboardedDec 11 07:23
DaemonFCit might be an interesting distraction from everything else going on this monthDec 11 07:23
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ender2070http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q3.pdfDec 11 07:32
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MinceRhm, i didn't know access paid that clownDec 11 07:39
ender2070he works for themDec 11 07:39
ender2070the $10K is for access's spot in the advisory boardDec 11 07:39
ender2070im still waiting to find out who else from access is thereDec 11 07:40
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kecskebakGnome accessibility team has been working hard on Banshee. That's nice.Dec 11 07:47
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ender2070they dont mind monoDec 11 07:50
kecskebakThey forgot to write how their "Men Outreach" program was going too.Dec 11 07:50
kecskebak:)Dec 11 07:50
ender2070lolDec 11 07:50
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MinceR"don't mind" seems like an understatement :>Dec 11 07:57
MinceRhttp://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.htmlDec 11 08:02
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kecskebakI never knew Basic was half Hungarian :)Dec 11 08:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lawyer attacked for pointing out they arrested the wrong man http://ur1.ca/hjp9 #douchebags #policestateDec 11 08:26
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GoldmanSachs bankers aren't carrying guns, waste of a bullet to shoot them anyhow http://ur1.ca/hjpk #douchebagsDec 11 08:31
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Omar87__http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/avoiding-mono/Dec 11 08:34
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zer0c00lDo we have separate page for crimes of gartner?Dec 11 09:54
zer0c00lschestowitz: ^^ ?Dec 11 09:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Trend Micro: #Vista7 Less Secure Than #Vista http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/vista-7-insecurity-2/Dec 11 09:54
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schestowitzzer0c00l: yesDec 11 10:14
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Gartner_GroupDec 11 10:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Christian Science Monitor for Ending the #Patent System http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/sc-monitor-on-uspto/Dec 11 10:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] !Ubuntu using burn down charts to show status of 10.04 release development http://bit.ly/5qIQLy http://bit.ly/1jUnPrDec 11 10:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Lacks Compatibility But Finally Gains #GPL Compliance http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/vista-7-lacks-compatibility-compliance/Dec 11 10:40
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tax Dodger #Microsoft Wants #Linux to Pay Microsoft Tax for Storage Devices http://ur1.ca/hjzaDec 11 11:11
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schestowitzzer0c00l: can you add to it?Dec 11 11:30
zer0c00lschestowitz: what you want me to add?Dec 11 11:30
zer0c00l@^@Dec 11 11:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Travelling into work by train today. :( very depressing.Dec 11 11:46
schestowitzzer0c00l: they do funny stuff in other areasDec 11 11:52
schestowitzI only know about their misbehaviour in ITDec 11 11:52
zer0c00lschestowitz: okDec 11 11:52
zer0c00lschestowitz: http://blogs.gartner.com/brian_prentice/2009/12/09/open-source-is-trending-towards-customer-obscurity/ trollDec 11 11:53
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zer0c00lFUD Dec 11 11:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GatesFoundation Denies #GlobalWarming and Strives for Global Domination http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/agenda-of-gates-foundation/Dec 11 11:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.theboywhodeniedwolf.com/2009/02/gates-foundation-email-response.htmlDec 11 11:54
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cubezzzlet me say, if I could make my own shampoo (and I could probably do it) I wouldDec 11 11:56
cubezzznow could I make it exactly the same? noDec 11 11:56
cubezzzbut I bet I could make it serviceableDec 11 11:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] திருச்செந்தூர் தொகுதியில் ஒரு ஓட்டின் விலை ஆயிரம் ரூபாய் :( , வீட்டில் பேசி கொள்கிறார்கள். #elections #failDec 11 11:56
cubezzzlesser dependence on corporations = betterDec 11 11:57
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/my_reaction_to.htmlDec 11 11:57
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cubezzzit would be easy to make my own cola, as in the drinkDec 11 11:57
cubezzzmany formulas exist, it's not hardDec 11 11:58
cubezzzanyway, Gartner is cluelessDec 11 11:58
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-kernel-vulnerabilities-closed-882270.htmlDec 11 11:58
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cubezzzreally lame arguments thereDec 11 11:58
schestowitzcubezzz: what does shampoo do?Dec 11 11:59
cubezzzuh, for washing your hairDec 11 12:00
schestowitzI mean, despite using it, people seem to have survived without it. I wonder how much it serves in removing grease these days, as oppose to be a source of fragrance. it seems like gimmickisationDec 11 12:00
schestowitzSee toothpaste for exampleDec 11 12:00
schestowitzNowadays they come in TASTES and have all sorts of playful colours in themDec 11 12:00
cubezzztastes?Dec 11 12:00
schestowitzI can't imagine sweet toothpaste being too effectiveDec 11 12:00
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, for kids mostlyDec 11 12:00
cubezzzuh right, toothpaste :)Dec 11 12:00
cubezzzthought were were still on shampoo for a sec thereDec 11 12:01
schestowitzHehe.Dec 11 12:01
schestowitzWell, people buy these for the wrong reasons, I think... or make poor choicesDec 11 12:01
cubezzzwell you could probably use baking soda on it's own and it would probably be cheaper (I think)Dec 11 12:02
cubezzzthe point I was trying to make is Gartner doesn't seem to clue into the fact we can roll our own OS using Linux or other FOSS software as a templateDec 11 12:02
cubezzzthey only think about the end userDec 11 12:02
schestowitzDental capsules seem like another gimmickDec 11 12:03
schestowitzThey act more like a placebo.. making people feel betterDec 11 12:03
cubezzzwell, there's those crest white strips, which are pretty expensiveDec 11 12:03
cubezzzsome people will pay for vanity products Dec 11 12:03
schestowitz[12:02] <cubezzz> they only think about the end userDec 11 12:04
schestowitzNo customersDec 11 12:04
schestowitzThey have shareholdersDec 11 12:04
cubezzzright, that's tunnel vision right thereDec 11 12:04
schestowitzAnd obscene profit/revenue like 1.2 billiobDec 11 12:04
schestowitz*ionDec 11 12:04
cubezzzwhy did I buy a zaurus for example...Dec 11 12:04
schestowitzThey have an obligation to maximise shareholder value, not to tell truthDec 11 12:04
schestowitzAnd they censor reportersDec 11 12:04
schestowitzSee my Wiki page that includes thisDec 11 12:04
cubezzzbecause I wanted to have a portable programming systemDec 11 12:05
cubezzzyeah but it's really a narrow viewpoint Dec 11 12:05
schestowitzBill Gates and Larry Ellison are Gartner shareholdersDec 11 12:05
cubezzzwhat do people want anyway?Dec 11 12:05
cubezzzno one really knows exactlyDec 11 12:05
schestowitzWhat TV says they should wantDec 11 12:05
cubezzzthey are just guessingDec 11 12:05
schestowitzCreating wants and desiresDec 11 12:06
schestowitz"Vista 7 was my idea..."Dec 11 12:06
cubezzzhorsesh*t :)Dec 11 12:06
cubezzztotal horse plopDec 11 12:07
cubezzzthe power of suggestion I supposeDec 11 12:07
cubezzzwell they're going to buy whats available, that never changesDec 11 12:09
cubezzzbut for OS, it's an artificial marketDec 11 12:10
schestowitzANother thing is celebrity endorsementDec 11 12:11
schestowitzLike Tiger Woods and Jordan with Nike, Jackson with Pepsi, and Sugababes *LOL* with Vista 7Dec 11 12:12
cubezzzI guess it must be effectiveDec 11 12:13
cubezzzTiger Woods gets a fortune in endorsementsDec 11 12:14
schestowitzhttp://newsblaze.com/story/2009121012340800002.bw/topstory.htmlDec 11 12:14
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schestowitzWow. WHy is he insulting Allison? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/fsf-is-asking-for-money-again/Dec 11 12:21
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kecskebakHe's saying Allison is not a born broadcaster - he's right about that. That video should have been done as an interview and it would have been much better.Dec 11 12:23
kecskebakI thought Allison looked very uncomfortable and self-conscious.Dec 11 12:23
schestowitzThe criticism of Allison is very unfair. It's understandable that critics will always -- and I mean ALWAYS -- be described as "bad" (just ask Dennis Kucinich), but Allison has actually done a good job explaining /slowly/ (to non-English speakers) what Free software means.Dec 11 12:24
kecskebakYes, but compare it to the Stephen Fry one.Dec 11 12:24
kecskebakI think the content of the video was fine, it was the format that was wrong.Dec 11 12:24
kecskebakSpeaking to the camera - "down the bottle" - is one of the hardest things to do. Even some actor's can't do it well.Dec 11 12:26
schestowitzI see insults directed at the appearance of RMSDec 11 12:26
schestowitzThey don't seem to understand that the hair has become a symbol that helps identify Stallman in the crowd. Many people in music and sports do the same thing because with different looks they simply lose their identity (and following).Dec 11 12:26
schestowitzkecskebak: yes, but Fry is in broadcastingDec 11 12:27
schestowitzI wouldn't want Fry to become Samba patchmasterDec 11 12:27
kecskebakWell, that's as daft as asking Allison to talk down the bottle and not as an interview subjectDec 11 12:27
kecskebakFSF did something that silly and stuck it on their home pageDec 11 12:27
schestowitzYesDec 11 12:27
schestowitzAllison responded to it in BNDec 11 12:28
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Dell-Optiplex-780-USFF-and-Vostro-V13/Dec 11 12:28
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kecskebakI think Allison is an incredible bloke and very, very brave for speaking out against MonoDec 11 12:28
kecskebakBut I think that criticism of the video in the blog was fair commentDec 11 12:28
kecskebakMicrosoft is dying - and cornered wounded animals are the most dangerous.Dec 11 12:29
kecskebakThat's why they attack you so much.Dec 11 12:29
cubezzzno, I don't think Stallman's appearance was because he choose to look differentDec 11 12:29
cubezzzhe just doesn't think about his appearanceDec 11 12:29
kecskebakI think the "vicious front end" referred to in the blog was not Stallman's appearance but his manner. I think that criticism is very unfair.Dec 11 12:29
cubezzzI've met other programmers with "Stallman hair" :)Dec 11 12:30
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kecskebakI've always been amazed in videos of Stallman how calm and reasonable he is. I was expecting more spit and vinegar.Dec 11 12:31
cubezzzwell he's been attacked since the 80'sDec 11 12:31
cubezzznothing new thereDec 11 12:31
kecskebakSo to criticise Stallman's manner in that blogpost was very unfair in my view.Dec 11 12:32
cubezzzhe's a "communist" Dec 11 12:32
kecskebakSocialism is just for corporations, not the people. I notice Microsoft and the rest love state handoutsDec 11 12:32
cubezzzStallman can get pretty irritableDec 11 12:33
cubezzzpersonally, I like Stallman thoughDec 11 12:33
cubezzzno fake politenessDec 11 12:33
schestowitzcubezzz: RMS had a beard bad in the 30sDec 11 12:34
schestowitzHe was clean shaved before GNUDec 11 12:34
schestowitz /bad/back/Dec 11 12:35
cubezzzin the 30s? :)Dec 11 12:35
cubezzzhe's not that old Dec 11 12:35
schestowitzHis 30sDec 11 12:35
cubezzzah :)Dec 11 12:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I like the new Thundebird, now I have tabs and sub-tabs.... tabs within other tabs for organisation. Splendid!Dec 11 12:35
cubezzzyes, he once had a crew cut if you go back far enoughDec 11 12:35
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, "communist" if science if the new communism :-)Dec 11 12:36
schestowitzThe power of spin and perceptionDec 11 12:36
schestowitzYou could go about drawing analogies between Microsoft and communismDec 11 12:36
schestowitz1) everyone is the sam...Dec 11 12:36
schestowitz2) One leaderDec 11 12:36
kecskebak3) One Microsoft way :)Dec 11 12:36
schestowitz3) No expression of code/thought (modification)Dec 11 12:36
schestowitzAnd so on...Dec 11 12:36
cubezzzI'm just repeating what people said on usenet in the 80's, it's all still there on google groupsDec 11 12:37
schestowitzI'm actually very surprised by how Linux advocates are daemonisedDec 11 12:37
schestowitzFor things they do not do or get distorted for the most partDec 11 12:37
cubezzzyeah. that's disappointingDec 11 12:37
kecskebakI think communism is a shock word like paedophile - it sort of closes the argument and puts the person beyond the paleDec 11 12:38
kecskebak'Religious' is also used for Mono critics to do the same thingDec 11 12:38
cubezzzno, I never thought of communism as a shock wordDec 11 12:39
kecskebakMany Americans doDec 11 12:39
cubezzzfor software at leastDec 11 12:39
schestowitzhttp://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/experts-question-hungary-s-role-as-european-open-source-leader-2720Dec 11 12:39
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cubezzzat most Stallman is a hybrid capitalist/communist with emphasis on the communist partDec 11 12:40
MinceRlolDec 11 12:40
*MinceR gets some hybrid cold/hot waterDec 11 12:40
cubezzzand true communism doesn't really existDec 11 12:40
schestowitzSadly for Microsoft, it has communism in itDec 11 12:40
cubezzzwarm water? :)Dec 11 12:40
schestowitzTheir EU head used to be a communist in the proper senseDec 11 12:41
MinceRwell, communism was an idea that was never implementedDec 11 12:41
MinceRs/was/is/Dec 11 12:41
schestowitzAnd one of its advocate (Fiegel or something) written extensively to advocate communism in Europe in his younge daysDec 11 12:41
schestowitzSo Microsoft has real communism baggageDec 11 12:41
schestowitzThey just hide itDec 11 12:41
MinceRwrite an article on that :)Dec 11 12:42
cubezzzI think of Microsoft as fascist, not communistDec 11 12:42
schestowitzMinceR: Microsoft communism?Dec 11 12:42
MinceRschestowitz: indeedDec 11 12:42
cubezzzdare I say the H word?Dec 11 12:42
MinceRthere is not a lot of difference between fascism and what was implemented as "communism" on earthDec 11 12:42
cubezzzcapitalism seems to fall apart if people get too greedyDec 11 12:43
kecskebakMinceR: Spot on. That's why the former communists are now running Hungary for the neo-LiberalsDec 11 12:43
schestowitzMinceR: OKDec 11 12:43
kecskebakThey didn't need any trainingDec 11 12:44
cubezzzbut this doesn't change the fact that we have FOSS, so in one small area we have real communismDec 11 12:45
cubezzzit's there if you want itDec 11 12:45
MinceRactually it isn't communism as long as it isn't public domainDec 11 12:46
MinceRsw still has an owner who could relicense itDec 11 12:46
MinceRi'm not sure if the legal system would even allow itDec 11 12:46
MinceRi wonder why are there 'quasi-public domain' licenses like the WTFPL, i remember hearing something like public domain not working the same way in all countries or somethingDec 11 12:47
cubezzzwell I suppose the gate keepers are really the maintainersDec 11 12:49
cubezzzbut anyone can be a maintainerDec 11 12:49
oiaohmMinceR: WTFPL is just for fun form of LicenseDec 11 12:52
oiaohmYes legally binding but not much better than Public domain.Dec 11 12:52
MinceRso public domain isn't legally binding?Dec 11 12:53
oiaohmPublic domain includes copyright expired works.   The expired works don't need a legally binding contract to make them such.Dec 11 12:55
oiaohmIe their are two Public Domain form of items MinceR.  This is why I hate the law at times.Dec 11 12:56
MinceRthere are a lot of reasons to hate the lawDec 11 12:56
oiaohmIt really makes it tricking at times reading the law.  Is this type 1 or type 2 or type 200 of that meaning.Dec 11 12:57
oiaohmhttp://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2009/12/ukrainian-student-dies-from-exploding-chewing-gum/1?csp=34  People wonder why food is not allowed in a lab.Dec 11 12:59
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kecskebakOf course, public domain is interesting. The case of Microsoft and CORBIS springs to mind.Dec 11 13:00
kecskebakTake pictures of restored works of art that are in the public domain. But now photography is banned, so to get pictures of those works of art you need to go through CORBISDec 11 13:01
cubezzzwhy is photography banned?Dec 11 13:02
kecskebakBecause they restore the artworks, then ban photography so you have to buy pictures of the restored artworksDec 11 13:02
oiaohmkecskebak: Really.  Flash photography is banned.  Lot of cases if you ask nicely you can use normal cameras on the works.Dec 11 13:02
kecskebakSome places that Corbis has licenced have banned photography completelyDec 11 13:02
kecskebakYou can blame terrorism, or whatever for a ban these daysDec 11 13:03
cubezzzCorbis, meaning owned by GatesDec 11 13:03
cubezzzhow about photographs over 100 years old?Dec 11 13:03
kecskebakYes, but that's the point. High quality digital photos of artwork that has been restoredDec 11 13:04
kecskebakMeans you set up a first and second class marketDec 11 13:04
oiaohmkecskebak: you will find lot of cammeras will not take the works correctly in the light conditions kecskebak.  If you do ask and have a tripod and prepared to leave cam there at night you can on flim.Dec 11 13:04
cubezzzwe have the toronto archives and it's freeDec 11 13:04
kecskebakIf cameras are banned it won't help youDec 11 13:04
cubezzzas in freely downloadableDec 11 13:05
oiaohmkecskebak: Lot of cases is banned dueing open hours kecskebakDec 11 13:05
cubezzzI wonder if art galleries ban photography Dec 11 13:05
kecskebakI think Glynn Moody has blogged about thisDec 11 13:05
oiaohmMost do cubezzz unless you have permission from the artist.  cubezzzDec 11 13:06
oiaohmFew the the photos I have are of painting that no one is ment to have pictures off.Dec 11 13:06
oiaohmAll it takes is asking the right way.Dec 11 13:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Fears over organised child fights - "bunch of fucking savages in this town" - Randall from Clerks http://tinyurl.com/ydyq3z4Dec 11 13:06
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schestowitzkecskebak: why do so many people spell it Glynn?Dec 11 13:07
kecskebakBecause there are two spellingsDec 11 13:07
kecskebakWelsh nameDec 11 13:08
kecskebakMy mistakeDec 11 13:08
oiaohmI guess you are not aware kecskebak that  people not knowing what they are doing using flashs undoes the restorative work.Dec 11 13:08
cubezzzI have an archive of scans of old torontoDec 11 13:08
cubezzzprobably around 2000 picsDec 11 13:09
schestowitzkecskebak: I asked cause Groklaw repeatedly does that tooDec 11 13:09
kecskebakAnd people not being allowed to use cameras at all undoes the public domainDec 11 13:09
oiaohmMy cannon cam has a physical blocker that prevents flash from being able to operate even if the camera computer trys kecskebakDec 11 13:09
schestowitzEyes are cameras tooDec 11 13:09
schestowitzI feel so violated :-)Dec 11 13:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Demonstration of the Power of #KDE 4.4 (Video) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/kde-sc-4-4/ #plasma #kde4Dec 11 13:09
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oiaohmSo most places unless artist objects to photos I can take kecskebakDec 11 13:10
schestowitzI should also 'unknow' all those ideas that are forbidden by the patent officeDec 11 13:10
oiaohmSince what I will be doing to the pictures will be no different to looking at them kecskebakDec 11 13:10
schestowitzkecskebak: they should thrive on scarcity, for example:Dec 11 13:10
schestowitzResort artwork -> access to museumDec 11 13:10
schestowitz*restoredDec 11 13:10
schestowitzNot banning photographs, which cost nothing to duplicate and may actually serve ads free publicityDec 11 13:11
oiaohmCost of repairing works schestowitzDec 11 13:11
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_online_image_archivesDec 11 13:11
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kecskebakhttp://www.photo-mark.com/notes/2008/dec/04/licensing-public-domain-public/Dec 11 13:11
oiaohmFew people setting off flashes can do major damage to restored paintings.Dec 11 13:12
MinceRhow?Dec 11 13:12
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/blog/itinnovation/articles/20091209/2356107282.shtmlDec 11 13:12
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oiaohmIts the bright light it can reacted directly with some paint pigments causing bad things to happen MinceRDec 11 13:12
schestowitzMinceR: lessening their value :-)Dec 11 13:12
schestowitzThey duplicate themDec 11 13:12
MinceRlolDec 11 13:13
oiaohmParitucally with old paints.Dec 11 13:13
schestowitzIt's a good thing people take photograph before the paintings degrade, oiaohm ;-)Dec 11 13:13
oiaohmIe it can cause cracking and other bad things.Dec 11 13:13
*MinceR takes a mental note to take a scanner to the gallery insteadDec 11 13:13
MinceR"see, it isn't a camera!"Dec 11 13:13
kecskebakNAtional Portrait Gallery "We also exert strict controls on all photography in the Gallery, which is allowed only on the understanding that copyright rests with the us and that any further reproduction deriving from the resulting photographic materials is subject to our written permission. "Dec 11 13:13
schestowitzOne day we can show photos of those forever-degarading worksDec 11 13:13
schestowitz*degradingDec 11 13:13
oiaohmIts good for people to take them correctly so the picture last as long as possiable schestowitzDec 11 13:14
cubezzzsome old photo scans have a weird fading effectDec 11 13:14
schestowitzANd it's guaranteed to stay this way, even if museums get looted and they so often do over millennia (Pakistan and Alexandria for example)Dec 11 13:14
cubezzzhehDec 11 13:14
oiaohmNow if a mussium put up prints for people to photo to there harts content most people still would not be happy.Dec 11 13:14
schestowitzoiaohm: why have lighting in museums thenDec 11 13:14
cubezzzbut I've done some restoration myselfDec 11 13:15
schestowitzMake the museums darkDec 11 13:15
kecskebakhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/27/how_to_copyright_michelangelo/Dec 11 13:15
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cubezzzso I could ready the signs in the faded photo scanDec 11 13:15
schestowitzAnd the guiding wo/man will only describe what's there had the lights been onDec 11 13:15
cubezzzin fact... I'll show one of the most interesting of the "faders"Dec 11 13:15
cubezzzlet me find itDec 11 13:15
oiaohmschestowitz:  when the pictures are in storage they are kept in pure darkness.  Whey out on display the lighting condutions are controlled to give enough to view and hopefully not enough to damage work.Dec 11 13:16
oiaohmYou will find the newest works in the brightest rooms due to beta quality paints use to make them schestowitzDec 11 13:16
oiaohmAlso another reason why some times they don't want photos taken is because the work has degraded. Dec 11 13:18
cubezzzok, what makes this interesting is that the farther away you see in the picture, the more faded it seemsDec 11 13:18
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/other/fader.jpgDec 11 13:18
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oiaohmfading reduces contrast cubezzzDec 11 13:19
oiaohmIn that picture farther way has has the least contrast difference so it show the most damage.Dec 11 13:20
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091203/1730177188.shtmlDec 11 13:20
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cubezzzhmmmDec 11 13:20
oiaohmRemember a negitive that is basically the reverse image will fade exactly the same areas first.Dec 11 13:20
oiaohmEven that they are the darkest.Dec 11 13:21
oiaohmIn that picture look along the line of bricks cubezzzDec 11 13:21
oiaohmNear the man standing up right doing nothing cubezzzDec 11 13:22
oiaohmNotice the blur there.Dec 11 13:22
cubezzzyes I see itDec 11 13:22
cubezzzit seems to extend up to the sign as wellDec 11 13:22
cubezzzmaybe some problem with the emulsion?Dec 11 13:23
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cubezzzor a thumbprint :)Dec 11 13:23
oiaohmNot right for a thumbprintDec 11 13:23
oiaohmToo striaght.Dec 11 13:24
cubezzzah, I see what you're sayingDec 11 13:25
oiaohmI will suspect in may more years that the area of damage will start disappearing before everything else.Dec 11 13:25
cubezzzyou're saying the fading is uniform over the entire image?Dec 11 13:25
oiaohmIts not 100 percent uniform over that image.Dec 11 13:26
oiaohmBut it will be over the entire image.Dec 11 13:26
cubezzzwell, at least I have the digital version so it won't get any worseDec 11 13:26
oiaohmThat blur could be a issue in the glass of the scanner as well.Dec 11 13:26
oiaohmIe if you still have that photo have another crack at it before it disappears.Dec 11 13:27
cubezzznope, it's a scan I downloaded from the toronto archivesDec 11 13:28
cubezzzcare to take a guess at the year it was taken?Dec 11 13:29
oiaohmSend them a note about possiable bad scan cubezzzDec 11 13:29
cubezzzokDec 11 13:29
oiaohmReally don't want to guess.  I have some from arcives black and whites over 150 years old.Dec 11 13:29
oiaohmAnd that is only here in AustraliaDec 11 13:30
cubezzzanother more extreme example:Dec 11 13:30
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/fader2.jpgDec 11 13:30
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oiaohmLook at the shadows of the ladies in the frount cubezzzDec 11 13:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: Venky,who doesn't micro blog, shares that Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy http://ow.ly/KVHJ #IT #FOSSDec 11 13:30
phIRCe-localTitle: Open Source India: Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy .::. Size~: 3.72 KBDec 11 13:30
oiaohmThe man on edge of photo has a strong shadow so they should too cubezzzDec 11 13:31
cubezzzyes?Dec 11 13:31
oiaohmFor some reason the edge of photo has not been exposed to as much light.Dec 11 13:31
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] All you wanted to know about software patents. http://bit.ly/7kxelwDec 11 13:31
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] ஐ பக்கோடா :DDec 11 13:31
phIRCe-localTitle: The Danger of Software Patents - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 74.72 KBDec 11 13:31
cubezzzlet me see if I can shore it up a bitDec 11 13:32
oiaohmAlso the ladies faces compared to man on edge they are about the same distance away cubezzzDec 11 13:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: http://ow.ly/KVH9 "The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation" by Bradley Kuhn. Recommended reading.Dec 11 13:32
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oiaohmI guess the man on edge was under the frame when it was on display cubezzz so got saved from harm.Dec 11 13:33
cubezzzvery possibleDec 11 13:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schestowitz: I like the new Thundebird, now I have tabs and sub-tabs.... tabs within other tabs for organisation. Splendid!Dec 11 13:33
oiaohmYou also can see in in the writing on the other side cubezzzDec 11 13:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @anjakovacs: So when it helps them to make money, open standards are suddenly not a problem anymore for business... http://bit.ly/7Okeb5Dec 11 13:34
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oiaohmBasically that is a good photo to disprove the idea that its just distance cubezzzDec 11 13:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @jamie_love: RT @j_zim: Spread and sign the #ACTA open letter http://bit.ly/6B7iyqDec 11 13:35
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cubezzzyes, I'm trying to make the writing more visibleDec 11 13:36
oiaohmFew dirty tricks try looking the picture in negitive.Dec 11 13:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @deepakurup: Here's some good news.Open Source India:Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy http://bit.ly/5PXXlKDec 11 13:37
oiaohmSometimes items you cannot see any more magically reappear when you make the picture reversed.Dec 11 13:37
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oiaohmSo providing you with the information to restore cubezzz.Dec 11 13:38
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/11/dotzler_on_schmidtt/Dec 11 13:39
phIRCe-localTitle: Mozilla man sends Firefoxers to Microsoft Bing • The Register .::. Size~: 28.92 KBDec 11 13:39
oiaohmNext trick find out if there is any other photos in the same area.   Ie over lap recovery.Dec 11 13:39
schestowitzI never liked Asa anywayDec 11 13:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] reaching thrissur. We have an !smc meeting now to analyse inscript modification proposal . @jaisuvyas @kpnunni, k h hussain, etc hereDec 11 13:40
schestowitzHe confronted me at one stageDec 11 13:40
oiaohmAsa is the loss cannon.  Handy at times to get issues corrected.Dec 11 13:41
oiaohmBut other times a 100 percent liabilty makes RMS look like a minor headache.Dec 11 13:42
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/11/florida_judges_social_network_friend_restriction/Dec 11 13:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] this is whole kerala trip. Waypoints in this trip. mysore-manathavady-thalassery-kozhikkod-thrissur-eranakulam-kottayam-thiruvanathapuramDec 11 13:46
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc5NQ  Its supprising how much action Linus can get.Dec 11 13:52
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, loose cannonDec 11 13:52
schestowitzoiaohm: there are followupsDec 11 13:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @anivar RT @deepakurup: Here's some good news.Open Source India:Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy http://bit.ly/5PXXlKDec 11 13:53
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Mozilla exec urges switch from $Google to $Bing, I'm thinking switch from #Firefox to #Chrome http://ur1.ca/hk87Dec 11 13:56
phIRCe-localTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Mozilla Exec Urges Switch From Google To Bing .::. Size~: 131.48 KBDec 11 13:56
schestowitzHaha. Does Asa think Microsoft is any better? *LOL*Dec 11 13:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This week is cruised past my 10,000th microblog item (10055 notices in identica)Dec 11 13:58
schestowitzMicrosoft: if you're not using Windows, then you're a communist terroristDec 11 13:59
schestowitzAsa may have just cost Mozilla some funding and reputationDec 11 13:59
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell Reid and Obama: Stop begging and start breaking arms to get real health reform http://bit.ly/6CDCQ0Dec 11 14:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Obama is going to support renewal of the Patriot Act, and will usher in a new era of #terrorism http://ur1.ca/hk8e #douchebag #policestateDec 11 14:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Support the #PublicOption http://ur1.ca/hk8f #politicsDec 11 14:01
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schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/content/view/29979/1090/Dec 11 14:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: The ACTA Timeline: Tracing The Secret Copyright Treaty - http://bit.ly/6FiumM handy visual representation #actaDec 11 14:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] !Ubuntu looking for new desktop backgrounds for the next release! http://bit.ly/55Wcd8 #fbDec 11 14:43
schestowitzApple is killing Lala.... http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/12/apple-to-fold-lala-into-itunes-transform-into-web-service.ars lalalala...Dec 11 14:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @brpbhaskar: ‘Love Jihad’ and The Judge In Kerala http://kafila.org/2009/12/10/whos-at-jihad-love-jihad-and-the-judge-in-keralaDec 11 15:03
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Listening to "the last hope" "hacker" conference key note address by steven levy on "hacker culture" .Dec 11 15:06
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091210100602130Dec 11 15:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] i converted/helped in converting many of my friends including my girl friend to free software. Is it 'love jihad'?Dec 11 15:07
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schestowitzIs it a US holiday this week?!Dec 11 15:35
cubezzzIndiana DayDec 11 15:40
cubezzzother than that, noDec 11 15:40
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: Preserving Patents Before the Planet - http://bit.ly/8l8u5A Copenhagen told to get its priorities straight #cop09 #patentsDec 11 15:41
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schestowitzhttp://gigaom.com/2009/12/10/why-mozillas-deal-with-google-gets-ever-shakier/Dec 11 15:43
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schestowitzSome US blogger said it was a holiday a few days ago, which left me surprisedDec 11 15:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] just. Sankaran's judgmnt "love/marriege that involves a process of conversion" is lovejihad. he demands for legislation to preventing thatDec 11 15:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] heard enough about the sanghi stand on conversion in #lovejihad discussions. But i am curious to know about sanghi&islamist stand on loveDec 11 15:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: Preserving Patents Before the Planet - http://bit.ly/8l8u5A Copenhagen told to get its priorities straight #cop09 #patentsDec 11 16:16
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schestowitzAustralian propaganda... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naMJz2KlLoADec 11 16:47
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satiperaPart content of floss weekly 99. "Canonical working very closely with tomboy who have been brilliant" slight paraphrasing.Dec 11 16:49
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Omar87Can someone please explain to me, what kind of bulls**t is this exactly? http://sourcesofinsight.com/2009/12/02/how-to-think-like-bill-gates/Dec 11 17:12
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cubezzzlolDec 11 17:13
cubezzzwhat kind? super concentrated I would say :)Dec 11 17:13
Omar87I mean for God's sake! They are presenting that a*%hole as if he was some kind of a holy figure!Dec 11 17:15
Omar87Why would anyone, with his full and total mental capabilities want to think like this weirdo?? :DDec 11 17:16
cubezzzit's because of his wealth, they don't admire the personDec 11 17:17
cubezzzthey know next to nothing about himDec 11 17:17
MinceRwell, to those whose god is money, gates is indeed a holy figureDec 11 17:18
cubezzzit's amazing how people can have such divergent opinions/perceptionsDec 11 17:23
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cubezzzto me Gates is one of the biggest predators to exist in the computer worldDec 11 17:24
schestowitzHmmmmmm... Dec 11 17:26
schestowitz"just listen to the floss episode with the chap from boycott Novell. Man jono bacon came across a loon trying to force an admission of guilt"Dec 11 17:26
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/16543243Dec 11 17:26
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schestowitz[16:49] <satipera> Part content of floss weekly 99. "Canonical working very closely with tomboy who have been brilliant" slight paraphrasing.Dec 11 17:27
schestowitzTomboy=Novell's SandyDec 11 17:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Countercurrents: Obamas Nobel Speech, Just Wars And Just Stop It! http://bit.ly/6v7eY3Dec 11 17:27
schestowitzOmar87: it's because people assume that "most rich"="Smartest"Dec 11 17:28
Omar87MinceR: I couldn't agree more. To those who worship money, Bill Gates is a holy figure indeed.Dec 11 17:28
Omar87schestowitz: Indeed.Dec 11 17:29
schestowitzThat's why the media quotes him about the economyDec 11 17:29
schestowitzNot professors of economicsDec 11 17:29
schestowitzForget about themDec 11 17:29
cubezzzGates is a thiefDec 11 17:30
schestowitzThey are not super-weathy, so they must be f*ing stupid! :-)Dec 11 17:30
Omar87schestowitz: exactly. :)Dec 11 17:30
cubezzzTelsa died with no moneyDec 11 17:30
cubezzzso did LaskerDec 11 17:30
schestowitzAt least they have something to name after themDec 11 17:31
schestowitzThey can't take money into their grave anywayDec 11 17:31
schestowitzJust some lavish ceremony at bestDec 11 17:31
ender2070it seems like anyone who is critical of mono gets attacked, allison includedDec 11 17:31
schestowitzMono is GodDec 11 17:31
schestowitzIt's sacredDec 11 17:31
schestowitzLike Pearly gatesDec 11 17:31
schestowitzaka Mother Teresasoft :-)Dec 11 17:32
schestowitzYou should know by now:Dec 11 17:32
cubezzzthat blog was like... those Hale-Bopp guysDec 11 17:32
schestowitzIf you attack Mono, you're religiousDec 11 17:32
cubezzz"Please brainwash us"Dec 11 17:32
schestowitzIf you don't think Gates is 100% angel, you're "just jealous"Dec 11 17:32
schestowitzPinter had something good to say about the story of perspectiveDec 11 17:33
schestowitzTruths and liesDec 11 17:33
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schestowitzAnd how they can be interchangedDec 11 17:33
cubezzzthere's the extreme good, and the extreme badDec 11 17:34
cubezzzin my blog I don't really talk about the badDec 11 17:35
cubezzzI decided to try to mainly talk about positive thingsDec 11 17:35
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ender2070RMS had a good pointDec 11 17:39
ender2070if they say you are anti-ms, you ask if they are pro-msDec 11 17:39
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MinceRthen they'll just say noDec 11 17:39
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cubezzzI have no problem saying I'm anti-MicrosoftDec 11 17:40
ender2070then they lieDec 11 17:40
ender2070lolDec 11 17:40
MinceRcubezzz: good pointDec 11 17:41
ender2070same, Im quite vocal about being anti msDec 11 17:41
ender2070even have an rss feed on my blog for itDec 11 17:41
ender2070all categories have rss feeds on my blogDec 11 17:42
cubezzzone thing that surprised me was the Amiga zealots putting Linux downDec 11 17:44
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cubezzzbut it's youtube which has a rather mean-spirited and low level of discussionDec 11 17:45
cubezzznouveau's on slashdot :)Dec 11 17:51
cubezzzthe #nouveau guys are complaining about itDec 11 17:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Many Upcoming #Linux Events http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/2010-linux-events-foster-community-business-opportunitiesDec 11 17:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Professional Institute Expands http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/12/prweb3327714.htm #lpiDec 11 17:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Guide to Making #GNU #Linux Desktops More Visually Advanced http://www.tuxradar.com/content/make-linux-look-awesomeDec 11 17:58
phIRCe-localTitle: Make Linux look awesome! | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 41.1 KBDec 11 17:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell #OptiPlex Targets #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Dell-Optiplex-780-USFF-and-Vostro-V13/Dec 11 18:01
phIRCe-localTitle: Ubuntu-ready Dell desktop looks like a nettop - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.97 KBDec 11 18:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Myths and Lies (Partly Microsoft-inspired) a Barrier to #GNU #Linux #Desktop Adoption http://ur1.ca/hkofDec 11 18:02
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ender2070gotta love commentersDec 11 18:09
ender2070"rms would rather not use ANY software at all unless it’s free. Extemist and fundamentalist to the extreme, he is certainly entitled to his opinions, but as the founder of the FSF, those opinions carry with it ripples throughout the entire organization the same as the opinions of an owner of a company have the same ripple affect throught that organization as well."Dec 11 18:09
ender2070I guess the FSF should promote proprietary software, not FREE software, as in their nameDec 11 18:10
DaemonFChttp://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/12/if_you_have_nothing.htmlDec 11 18:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nouveau Officially Going Into #Linux #Kernel Space, #DRBD Too http://ur1.ca/hkov http://ur1.ca/hkowDec 11 18:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Games on #GNU #Linux with Single-click Interface http://ur1.ca/hkpbDec 11 18:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Sees Many Migrations to #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware , on VMs Also http://ur1.ca/hkpxDec 11 18:23
phIRCe-localTitle: CXOtoday.com > Interview > Balance Has Shifted In Favor Of Open Source .::. Size~: 75.71 KBDec 11 18:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Reaches Out for #Wallpaper Proposals for Tens of Millions of Users http://ur1.ca/hkq5 http://ur1.ca/hkq6Dec 11 18:24
phIRCe-localTitle: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Alpha 1 Has Linux Kernel 2.6.32 - The Lucid Lynx Chronicles - Softpedia .::. Size~: 54.14 KBDec 11 18:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Jolicloud Makes First Public Appearances as Pre-Beta http://ur1.ca/hkq9 http://ur1.ca/hkqaDec 11 18:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WesternDigital Storage Product Powered by #Linux http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/western-digital-sharespace-nas/Dec 11 18:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia / #Maemo / #Linux Named a Top 10 Mobile Phone http://www.top10.co.uk/mobilephones/news/2009/12/nokia_n900_lands_on_top_10/Dec 11 18:35
phIRCe-localTitle: Top 10 Mobile Phones » News » Nokia N900 lands on Top 10 Mobile Phones .::. Size~: 43.81 KBDec 11 18:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux #Phone Names Gadget of the Year http://ur1.ca/hkr4 http://ur1.ca/hkr5Dec 11 18:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Top Sub-notebooks Remembers Importance of #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/hkraDec 11 18:36
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phIRCe-localTitle: 15 best netbooks in the world today | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 60.35 KBDec 11 18:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Not Just for Geeks, #GIMP in the Press http://ur1.ca/hkri http://ur1.ca/hkrjDec 11 18:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tatts Sees the Value of Access to Source Code http://ur1.ca/hkrmDec 11 18:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware "the first thing you consider for your business." http://www.centralpennbusiness.com/blog.asp?pid=1816Dec 11 18:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Thunderbird Enjoys Success Story in the News http://ur1.ca/hks8 http://ur1.ca/hks9 My most-used appDec 11 18:46
phIRCe-localTitle: French military helps power Thunderbird | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 54.89 KBDec 11 18:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Databases Debate Resumes in Europe http://ur1.ca/hksf http://ur1.ca/hksg http://ur1.ca/hkshDec 11 18:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Oracle plays hardball with Euro regulators • The Register .::. Size~: 25.8 KBDec 11 18:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Fluendo Group Concerned Over EC Threat to Open-Source Investment .::. Size~: 36.56 KBDec 11 18:47
phIRCe-localTitle: MySQL in Oracles Hands: Open Source Users Weigh In .::. Size~: 32.34 KBDec 11 18:48
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Java #Programming Goodies Are Released http://ur1.ca/hkt0 http://ur1.ca/hkt1Dec 11 18:57
phIRCe-localTitle: JetBrains releases two variants of Java development environment IntelliJ IDEA 9 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.3 KBDec 11 18:57
phIRCe-localTitle: Dr. Dobb's | Sun Releases Java EE 6, Glassfish v3 Portfolio, and NetBeans 6.8 | December 10, 2009 .::. Size~: 92.4 KBDec 11 18:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Updegrove on #Standards with Analogies http://www.consortiuminfo.org/bulletins/#considerthisDec 11 18:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Approach to #Privacy Slammed by #Security Guru http://ur1.ca/hfq5 http://ur1.ca/hk8eDec 11 18:59
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dr Peter Watts, Canadian science fiction writer, beaten and arrested at US border http://ur1.ca/hktb #policestateDec 11 19:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #JooJoo may get sued into the ground anyhow http://ur1.ca/hktlDec 11 19:01
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phIRCe-localTitle: Dr Peter Watts, Canadian science fiction writer, beaten and arrested at US border Boing Boing .::. Size~: 259 KBDec 11 19:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Warnings About Implications of #ACTA / #IntellectualMonopolies http://ur1.ca/hh4g http://ur1.ca/hktdDec 11 19:03
phIRCe-localTitle: ACTA: A Global Threat to Freedoms (Open Letter) | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 46.13 KBDec 11 19:03
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Method to repair damaged nerves http://ur1.ca/hktq #scienceDec 11 19:06
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] First Known Binary Star Is Discovered to Be a Triplet, Quadruplet, Quintuplet, Sextuplet System http://ur1.ca/hktyDec 11 19:06
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] How to build yet another sci-fi drive http://ur1.ca/hku2Dec 11 19:06
phIRCe-localTitle: Slashdot Science Story | Method To Repair Damaged Adult Nerves Discovered .::. Size~: 128.31 KBDec 11 19:06
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Ghostbusters 3 would have made an awesome movie http://ur1.ca/hkubDec 11 19:11
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ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=427Dec 11 19:19
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ender2070i got a quote from the authors websiteDec 11 19:26
ender2070its a fucking outrageDec 11 19:26
Diablo-D3didnt I already link to something about that?Dec 11 19:27
schestowitz[17:41] <ender2070> same, Im quite vocal about being anti msDec 11 19:27
schestowitzThere is nothing wrong with being "Anti-crime"Dec 11 19:28
schestowitz[18:10] <ender2070> I guess the FSF should promote proprietary software, not FREE software, as in their nameDec 11 19:28
schestowitzLots of spin used to make the FSF look "extreme" and "irrational". All spin and PR.Dec 11 19:29
DaemonFCschestowitz: What about Asa Dotzler recommending Bing and saying Google is effectively spyware?Dec 11 19:29
schestowitzDaemonisation and glorification expertsDec 11 19:29
schestowitzMicrosoft sends out its shills like CompTIA to smear RMSDec 11 19:29
MinceRas if bingo wasn't effectively spywareDec 11 19:29
schestowitzMicrosoft doesn't do this directlyDec 11 19:29
schestowitzIt's like someone hiring hitmenDec 11 19:29
DaemonFCBing's privacy policy does fit on one pageDec 11 19:30
DaemonFCthat's a start I guessDec 11 19:30
DaemonFCMicrosoft does have a history of violating their own privacy policies thoughDec 11 19:30
DaemonFCso take it with some saltDec 11 19:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: Microsoft is no better than GoogleDec 11 19:31
schestowitzIt's an idiotic remark from him, one among manyDec 11 19:31
DaemonFCGoogle/Eric Schmidt is disturbing though, from their public statements effectively admitting that they sell you out to the government without thinking twceDec 11 19:31
DaemonFC*twiceDec 11 19:32
schestowitzDisable JS and pray that your data doesn't pass around too much. There's also scroogle, which I know MinceR is usingDec 11 19:32
schestowitz[19:29] <MinceR> as if bingo wasn't effectively spywareDec 11 19:32
schestowitzAh, beat me to itDec 11 19:32
schestowitzDec 11 19:32
schestowitz[19:30] <DaemonFC> Microsoft does have a history of violating their own privacy policies thoughDec 11 19:32
schestowitzSnoops for govtDec 11 19:32
schestowitzGoogle at least denied itDec 11 19:32
schestowitzIIRC, Microsoft gave the govt data on dissenters without a fight, like Yahhhhhhhhhoo!Dec 11 19:33
schestowitz[19:31] <DaemonFC> Google/Eric Schmidt is disturbing though, from their public statements effectively admitting that they sell you out to the government without thinking twceDec 11 19:33
schestowitzNo, they fight itDec 11 19:33
schestowitzAlso in Verixon caseDec 11 19:33
schestowitz*zonDec 11 19:33
ender2070I added what I read on Dr Peter Watts blogDec 11 19:33
schestowitzTHey fought backDec 11 19:33
MinceRwell, judging by the backdoors, m$ gives the governments your data just as lightlyDec 11 19:33
schestowitzLook at Groklaw's article about itDec 11 19:33
schestowitzIt's not true that they are like thisDec 11 19:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RMS is under more fresh attacks from the proprietarists. Be alert.Dec 11 19:33
schestowitzAmong the 'big three' they are the only ones fighting against snoopsDec 11 19:34
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schestowitzYahoo! has a leaked price list evenDec 11 19:34
DaemonFCComcast and AT&T will both cooperate without even demanding a warrantDec 11 19:34
MinceRand since eric schmidt has said what he said on privacy, they are obviously not to be trusted with any private dataDec 11 19:34
DaemonFCthose are the only two broadband ISPs around here thoughDec 11 19:34
ender2070"n that other timeline I was not punched in the face, pepper-sprayed, shit-kicked, handcuffed, thrown wet and half-naked into a holding cell for three fucking hours, thrown into an even colder jail cell overnight, arraigned, and charged with assaulting a federal officer, all without access to legal representation"Dec 11 19:34
DaemonFCI'd like to ue TOR but it dlows down your browsing to a crawl and you start getting sites loading in every language on EarthDec 11 19:35
DaemonFC*useDec 11 19:36
DaemonFC*slows, agghDec 11 19:36
DaemonFCTOR = Load Google and get it in French, refresh the page and it's in Japanese now....Dec 11 19:36
DaemonFCten or twelve attempts later, you get EnglishDec 11 19:36
ender2070thats geoip for youDec 11 19:37
ender2070are you surprisedDec 11 19:37
DaemonFCnot reallyDec 11 19:37
DaemonFCit just makes TOR even less practicalDec 11 19:37
ender2070not reallyDec 11 19:37
ender2070its google that is trying to guess where you areDec 11 19:37
schestowitzRMS is so polite... http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00049.htmlDec 11 19:37
MinceRyou could set google to english manuallyDec 11 19:38
MinceRalso you could use scroogle through tor :)Dec 11 19:38
MinceRor a public web-based proxy through torDec 11 19:38
MinceRthough scroogle won't help you with google images, afaikDec 11 19:39
MinceRi mean image searchDec 11 19:39
MinceRbtw, there might be a way to tell Tor to choose an exit node from an english-speaking countryDec 11 19:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aslam: @sunil_abraham american qawwals (with female tabla player) playing in India, urs of hazrat baba... http://tinyurl.com/y9ytlw5Dec 11 19:40
ender2070I wrote to my MP regarding the Canadian who was beaten by corrupt US authoritiesDec 11 19:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] today.com is leaping the shark. Need new domain for NotN. All obvious domains are taken. Name ideas please!Dec 11 19:50
tessierhttp://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/10/microsoft-users-gullible-advertising/Dec 11 19:51
phIRCe-localTitle:   Are Microsoft Users More Gullible When It Comes To Online Advertising?  .::. Size~: 156.25 KBDec 11 19:51
tessierInterestingDec 11 19:51
tessierRMS? Polite?Dec 11 19:52
tessierRMS suggesting a mild approach?!Dec 11 19:52
tessierThis email is obviously a forgery.Dec 11 19:52
schestowitz:-DDec 11 19:52
ender2070LOL http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00052.htmlDec 11 19:54
MinceRperhaps it's time for the FSF to start supporting KDE instead? :>Dec 11 19:55
ender2070yesDec 11 19:55
ender2070some of the gnome ppl want to vote to be out of the GNU projectDec 11 19:55
ender2070lefty seconds the voteDec 11 19:56
ender2070http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00056.htmlDec 11 19:56
MinceRor Gnome could be forkedDec 11 19:56
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MinceRthere could be a Gnome, where the G stands for G and there could be a MacWindows.NET where miguel, lefty and all their pals could push mono all the way they want and copy the broken macos GUI all the wayDec 11 19:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard can you export the data?Dec 11 19:57
MinceRs/for G/&NU/Dec 11 19:57
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schestowitzender2070: can you summarise that in your blog?Dec 11 19:57
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MinceRthere could be a Gnome, where the G stands for G and there could be a MacWindows.NET where miguel, lefty and all their pals could push mono all the way they want and copy the broken macos GUI all the wayDec 11 19:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard can you export the data?Dec 11 19:21
MinceRs/for G/&NU/Dec 11 19:22
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schestowitzender2070: can you summarise that in your blog?Dec 11 19:22
ender2070yeahDec 11 19:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: All praise the Hammond B-3. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2009/12/11/all-praise-the-hammond-b-3/Dec 11 19:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz AHAHAHAHA. No, but I can pagescrape like anything.Dec 11 19:26
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tessierFrance's military chose open source software after an internal government debate that began in 2003 and culminated in a November 6, 2007, directive requiring state agencies "Seek maximum technological and commercial independence."Dec 11 19:28
tessierhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091210/tc_nm/us_mozilla_franceDec 11 19:28
phIRCe-localTitle: French army sides with Mozilla in Microsoft email war - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 101.01 KBDec 11 19:28
tessierVery interesting...Dec 11 19:28
tessierthe French military, which decided the open source product was more secure than Microsoft's rival Outlook.Dec 11 19:28
MinceRthat's hardly surprisingDec 11 19:29
tessierIt is surprising in that you still rarely see governments coming out in favor of FOSS before they are shut up by MSDec 11 19:29
MinceRindeedDec 11 19:29
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=433Dec 11 19:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh, and are there any uk-serving ad networks that aren't google ads and yet are worth more than shit?Dec 11 19:40
MinceRi guess now we'll find out how much is gnome tainted by m$ dronesDec 11 19:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz turns out i can export it and have. wordpress xml. looks like everything.Dec 11 19:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 and #Microsoft Under New Sieges by Analysts http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/new-analyses-microsoft/Dec 11 19:47
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*Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged]Dec 11 20:25
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-ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channelDec 11 20:25
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tessierhmmmDec 11 20:31
tessierhttp://lopsa.org/pipermail/tech/2009-December/003929.htmlDec 11 20:31
tessierHow does one address this?Dec 11 20:32
tessierHow does one address the oh-so-politically-correct "I'll always use the best tool for the job regardless of the consequences" meme?Dec 11 20:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and now travelling back from work...not so depressing...Dec 11 20:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I really hate the train....how people can come to work in it every day amazes me.Dec 11 20:33
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DaemonFChttp://popup.lala.com/popup/504684655011188558Dec 11 20:36
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kentmahi allDec 11 20:36
schestowitzHey, kentmaDec 11 20:44
schestowitztessier: do you know the poster?Dec 11 20:45
kentmahi RoyDec 11 20:45
tessierNo, I don't. But I am crafting a response.Dec 11 20:45
tessierI have seen him around on the list for a while.Dec 11 20:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Interests Seemingly Bought by Corporations http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/gnome-poisonous-people/Dec 11 20:46
phIRCe-localTitle: GNOME Interests Seemingly Bought by Corporations | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.01 KBDec 11 20:46
tessierDoes Microsoft still owe the EU any money for antitrust fines?Dec 11 20:52
tessierOr did that all get paid off?Dec 11 20:53
tessierhttp://news.cnet.com/2100-1014_3-5255715.html  says they paid in full but www.cnbc.com/id/23368788 says they "will" pay. I think there was a new fine.Dec 11 20:53
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft pays EU in full - CNET News .::. Size~: 80.17 KBDec 11 20:53
tessierYea, www.linuxjournal.com/content/why-microsofts-new-eu-fine-just-fine talks about the new fine...Dec 11 20:54
schestowitztessier: they have a fine, yesDec 11 20:55
tessierAre they refusing to pay?Dec 11 20:55
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sebsebsebhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/lucid-to-get-aero-style-rgba.htmlDec 11 21:02
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schestowitzMany netsplits/downtimes in freenode this week...Dec 11 21:06
ender2070:)Dec 11 21:08
ender2070ty for linkingDec 11 21:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Winning Without Winning the ‘Open Source’ Battle http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/moving-targets/Dec 11 21:08
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sebsebsebender2070: was that for my link?Dec 11 21:14
ender2070?Dec 11 21:14
ender2070you linked me too?Dec 11 21:14
sebsebsebI did a link yesDec 11 21:14
sebsebsebhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/lucid-to-get-aero-style-rgba.htmlDec 11 21:15
phIRCe-localTitle: OMG! UBUNTU!: Ubuntu Lucid To Get Windows Aero Style Look Thanks To Enhanced GTK+ .::. Size~: 87.67 KBDec 11 21:15
ender2070tyDec 11 21:17
ender2070bblDec 11 21:21
tessierschestowitz: http://lopsa.org/pipermail/tech/2009-December/003935.html my replyDec 11 21:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Catching up with Spooks using the power of Acer Aspire Revo 3600, Ubuntu, Boxee, flvstreamer, get_iplayer & BBC iPlayerDec 11 21:26
schestowitzsebsebseb: wait..Dec 11 21:30
schestowitzomgubuntu is you??Dec 11 21:30
schestowitztessier: I just reply with something along the lines of, "to claims there is bigotry against Microsoft is like claiming bigotry against people who were sentenced to jail"Dec 11 21:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: what noDec 11 21:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Austria and #Switzerland Complain About #Microsoft #Lockin, #Latvia and #Assam Escape Lock-in http://ur1.ca/hl4nDec 11 21:34
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sebsebsebschestowitz: not me, why?Dec 11 21:35
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin Come on now Goblin, do you have a laptop in the train and a wireless Internet connection?Dec 11 21:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s FAT Ambush, #RPX “Protection Racket”, and Life-threatening #Patents http://ur1.ca/hle7Dec 11 22:23
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schestowitzsebsebseb: the way you put it made it sound soDec 11 22:24
schestowitzI was surprisedDec 11 22:24
trmancohttp://www.codinghorror.com/Dec 11 22:30
phIRCe-localTitle: Coding Horror .::. Size~: 0.23 KBDec 11 22:30
trmancothe hosting company is a MCPDec 11 22:30
trmancofigures... :-PDec 11 22:30
MinceRpwntDec 11 22:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] US games company sues British blogger | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/y9ksxdrDec 11 22:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @eddankatz: Information Technology Principles for Open Government - Yale Information Society Project http://bit.ly/8mkq7e @LauraDeNardisDec 11 22:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EFF: Doubleplusgood Joy of Tech comic on Facebook privacy changes: http://eff.org/r.4dSDec 11 22:41
phIRCe-localTitle: Balkinization .::. Size~: 74.77 KBDec 11 22:41
phIRCe-localTitle: The Joy of Tech comic... Big Zucker is watching. .::. Size~: 39.95 KBDec 11 22:41
trmancohttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/12/microsoft-licenses-out-exfat-file-system.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssDec 11 22:44
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft licenses out exFAT file system .::. Size~: 33.61 KBDec 11 22:44
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_goblinhi all...Dec 11 22:55
schestowitzWIPO is such scum.... http://www.wipo.int/wipo_magazine/en/2009/06/article_0006.htmlDec 11 22:56
phIRCe-localTitle: The Song Remains the Same: A Review of the Legalities of Music Sampling .::. Size~: 23.55 KBDec 11 22:56
schestowitztrmanco: yeah, Emil I reckonDec 11 22:57
schestowitzMicrosoft is advertising some anti-Linux patents nowDec 11 22:57
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/6530758813Dec 11 23:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Twitter / Glyn Moody: RT @copycense Following fi ... .::. Size~: 10.02 KBDec 11 23:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im getting very sick of the O2 broadband service now. First it was DNS related, now its at dialup speeds. Think it might be time to move onDec 11 23:00
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/dec/10/personalised-online-radio-rajarDec 11 23:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive had others report to me that O2 DNS servers are terrible. Shame, a year ago the whole package was very good. #o2 #failDec 11 23:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst no I have a mobile phone with net access!Dec 11 23:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] O2 has managed something the MS faithful never has..Get me to do something else. I give up. O2 is awful imo. Look elsewhere tomorrow.Dec 11 23:08
schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-variety.com-going-behind-paywall-again-apes-ft.coms-model/Dec 11 23:09
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/09/famous-architecture.htmlDec 11 23:13
phIRCe-localTitle: Famous architecture photographer swarmed by multiple police vehicles in London for refusing to tell security guard why he was photographing famous church Boing Boing .::. Size~: 106.89 KBDec 11 23:13
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oiaohmhttp://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/12/11countersue.html  Here come trouble.Dec 11 23:15
phIRCe-localTitle: Apple Countersues Nokia .::. Size~: 6.79 KBDec 11 23:15
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/emotional_epide.htmlDec 11 23:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Schneier on Security: Emotional Epidemiology .::. Size~: 31.45 KBDec 11 23:16
schestowitzoiaohm: iSuitDec 11 23:17
MinceRiSueEverybody?Dec 11 23:18
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sebsebsebschestowitz: oh right, well  I gave it out a second time, since I thought it had been missed the first timeDec 11 23:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: I replied an hour later,  your message 22:19 my reply  23:19  according to my computer, and no I hadn't planned to reply at that exact time.Dec 11 23:28
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Overstock's CEO exposes #JimCramer (king #douchebag) plan against #SiriusXM http://ur1.ca/hliqDec 11 23:31
phIRCe-localTitle:   Medias Sirius XM (SIRI) Agenda Exposed - Satwaves .::. Size~: 86.33 KBDec 11 23:32
trmancohttp://www.pwnage.ca/?p=433Dec 11 23:34
phIRCe-localTitle: Pwnage.ca » Gnome to Split Off from GNU Project? .::. Size~: 19.87 KBDec 11 23:34
ender2070http://lopsa.org/pipermail/tech/2009-December/003935.htmlDec 11 23:34
ender2070i notice someone attacked apple, dell and adobe (anti ms companys)Dec 11 23:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Is there a Minteee? as in "Mint for netbooks"Dec 11 23:36
Diablo-D3I wonderDec 11 23:39
Diablo-D3does anyone read my identica feed?Dec 11 23:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: GNOME dev proposes vote on split from GNU Project - http://bit.ly/4Wz6BH provocative, moi? #gnome #gnuDec 11 23:46
schestowitzhttps://nodpi.org/ guy is retiringDec 11 23:47
phIRCe-localTitle: No Deep Packet Inspection .::. Size~: 37.72 KBDec 11 23:47
DaemonFChttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091211154928AAgmF1eDec 11 23:55
phIRCe-localTitle: What would happen if someone still owed QVC Easy Pay but reported their credit card stolen? - Yahoo! Answers .::. Size~: 39.19 KBDec 11 23:55

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